[05:55] <Burglaptop> hmm, where is mdke and jerome?
[05:58] <Burglaptop> Burgundavia, hey corey, this is corey at Ckhyamoj's place!
[10:44] <klepas> moin moin
[10:44] <Madpilot> hi klepas
[10:45] <klepas> hey
[10:45] <klepas> any documentation that needs help with?
[10:47] <Madpilot> you can always have a go at the wiki
[10:47] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup  <-- not a bad place to start
[10:47] <klepas> sure
[10:47] <rob^> klepas, do you know docbook?
[10:47] <Madpilot> pick something you know a bit about, and improve the pages about it...
[10:48] <klepas> rob^: not as of yet, but I've bookmarked the pages about it
[10:48] <rob^> ah
[10:48] <klepas> I'll plan to read them on the weekend
[10:49] <rob^> well like Madpilot said, there is heaps to do on the wiki
[10:49] <rob^> minimal learning curve
[10:49] <klepas> yup
[10:51] <klepas> thanks folks
[10:51] <klepas> I've got dinner and some studying to do
[10:51] <klepas> cheers
[10:51] <rob^> have fun
[10:51] <klepas> :-)
[10:51] <klepas> :-)
[11:09] <Madpilot> later, all - need sleep...
[11:18] <rob^> cya
[02:41] <jjesse> morning
[02:42] <ndazza> evening :)
[02:42] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse
[02:42] <jjesse> grin evening ndazza 
[02:42] <jjesse> hello jsgotangco 
[02:42] <jjesse> how are both of you?
[02:42] <ndazza> tired
[02:42] <ndazza> sleepy
[02:42] <ndazza> sick of study!
[02:42] <jsgotangco> i just spoke to 140 students
[02:42] <jjesse> wow i just started work :)
[02:43] <ndazza> jsgotangco: about?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> i just arrived home and testing out what kids have been using
[02:43] <jsgotangco> ndazza: FOSS in general
[02:43] <ndazza> jsgotangco: ahh
[02:43] <ndazza> i'm doing that in 2 weeks time
[02:44] <jsgotangco> if you're doing it with a complete newbie audience show them the OpenCD
[02:44] <jsgotangco> jjesse: did you make changes to About Kubuntu?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i can make them later if you're loaded
[02:44] <jjesse> i made some
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i'm getting kubuntu is adept really in?
[02:45] <ndazza> jsgotangco: audience is the general public, probably a lot of uni students. we have open cds by the hundreds :)
[02:46] <jsgotangco> ndazza: SFD?
[02:46] <jjesse> i need to follow up w/ riddell i sent him an email, he wrote back saying he needed to test it but it would be going in if he okay it during his test
[02:46] <jjesse> following up today w/ him as i hadn't heard back
[02:46] <jsgotangco> he's quite a busy guy actually
[02:46] <ndazza> jsgotangco: yep
[02:47] <jsgotangco> (quite silent as well)
[02:48] <ndazza> how big is the ubuntu repo? web site says about 75GB is that right?
[02:48] <ndazza> main+universe
[02:49] <ndazza> i wanna know if i'm gonna run out of disk space...
[02:49] <jjesse> you downloading all of it?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> are you making a mirror?
[02:49] <ndazza> yes
[02:49] <ndazza> 41GB done
[02:49] <ndazza> my poor ISP must hate me...
[02:49] <jsgotangco> poor ISP?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't even attempt that
[02:49] <jsgotangco> i guess you don't have a cap
[02:50] <ndazza> i get uncapped downloads from certain servers
[02:50] <ndazza> unmetered rather
[03:34] <jsgotangco> mgalvin!
[03:34] <mgalvin> hey jsgotangco!
[03:35] <mgalvin> hows it going
[03:35] <jsgotangco> im fixing up some docs in time for preview release (at least some)
[03:35] <jsgotangco> will you be able to help on packaging?
[03:36] <mgalvin> i should still be able to, i have just been busy with work the past week or 2
[03:37] <jsgotangco> alright...freeze is upon is in a few days..
[03:38] <mgalvin> right, i will make sure i make time for it
[03:39] <jsgotangco> thanks i will start cleaning up the documents that should go in later
[03:40] <jsgotangco> brb lemme switch this first
[04:22] <jbailey> mgalvin: ping?
[05:02] <mgalvin> jbailey: pong
[05:03] <mgalvin> jbailey: argh, i've got to sit in on a meeting, i'll ping you when i get back
[05:07] <jbailey> mgalvin: No worries.  I want to sync up with you about the docteam upload.
[05:08] <jbailey> Jerome said that he thinks that you did a package that might be usable.
[05:48] <jsgotangco> jjesse: so we have adept awesome
[05:51] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Hey.  I think you're the other person I need to find. =)
[05:51] <jsgotangco> jbailey: hey yes i was a about to ping you
[05:51] <jbailey> =)
[05:51] <jsgotangco> are we set?
[05:51] <jbailey> I pinged mgalvin earlier, but he's ina meeting.
[05:51] <jbailey> I don't have information on the SVN and such, so I need help getting started.
[05:51] <jsgotangco> no worries i can fill him up its almost 12am here
[05:52] <jbailey> Ah.  Where are you guys
[05:53] <jsgotangco> im in manila
[05:53] <jsgotangco> hmm where is that wiki page
[05:53] <jsgotangco> hold on
[05:54] <jsgotangco>  svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[05:54] <jsgotangco> but its around 200MB at the moment
[05:59] <jbailey> Fetching
[06:03] <jbailey> Gotit, lovely.
[06:03] <jbailey> So, erm.  This gets packaged up? =)
[06:04] <jsgotangco> well not everything
[06:04] <jsgotangco> mgalvin did test some packaging on this 
[06:04] <jsgotangco> let me check my archive hold on
[06:04] <jbailey> Tx.
[06:06] <jsgotangco> gnome/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml is the one i updated a few hours ago
[06:06] <jsgotangco> but i haven't updated the OMF files for scrollkeeper i have no idea at tho moment how that works
[06:07] <jsgotangco> but the team had agreed before to ship the documents in html
[06:08] <jbailey> But should they be generated in SVN or at the time the source package is built?
[06:08] <jbailey> I'd be inclined to do it at build time to minimize the hassle of remembering to do it in SVN.
[06:08] <jbailey> But I have a personal dislike of keeping generated files in SVN.
[06:08] <jsgotangco> no if i remember it right, when i was just translating before in hoary i had to do the omf myself
[06:09] <jsgotangco> i actually have no clue at the moment on our best recourse on this matter :(
[06:10] <jsgotangco> this release is quite disastrous for us imo
[06:10] <jbailey> Is there an existing documentation package for Hoary that I can model on?
[06:10] <jbailey> I can totally take care of all of the packaging issues if youhave stuff for me. =)
[06:11] <jsgotangco> what do we need exactly aside from the actual written documents?
[06:12] <jsgotangco> i have no idea..i wasnt involved in the packaging in hoary before..
[06:12] <jbailey> I don't know.  silbs mentioned an about page, but I was hoping that you could tell me what that meant. =)
[06:13] <jbailey> I can ping her or mdz on it if we need.
[06:13] <jbailey> Right, I had heard that there had been a turnover in the documentation team.
[06:13] <jsgotangco> well the about page is on gnome/aboutubuntu/C
[06:14] <jbailey> Ah, it's a glade replacement?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> well there is really not that much of a team to speak of :(
[06:17] <jsgotangco> all the major xml docs are readable in yelp
[06:22] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Are you around for a little bit?
[06:22] <jbailey> I need to go get food and such.
[06:22] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i'll probably need to sleep in an hour or so
[06:22] <jbailey> 'kay.  If you're asleep when I get back, when are you back online?
[06:23] <jbailey> I can adapt to whatever you need.
[06:23] <jsgotangco> what timezone are you in?
[06:23] <jbailey> Eastern Canada (-0400)
[06:23] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[06:24] <jsgotangco> im in +8 im sure we'll cross paths
[06:24] <jbailey> Well, with feature freeze being tomorrow, I'm willing to hop around to make it work.
[06:24] <jbailey> I'll try to put together a package or somethig in the meantime.
[06:25] <jsgotangco> okay sorry for the short notice i was surprised myself by silbs' email
[06:26] <jbailey> It's all good. =)  I 'll do whatever it takes to make this work.
[06:26] <jbailey> So let me know how I can best help you.  I just forgot to eat breakfast this morning so I'm getting spacy. =)
[06:26] <jsgotangco> thanks i'll dig around first and see how things were done then
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ill also ask enrico if he's not busy
[06:28] <jbailey> Cool.  Anything else before I go get food?
[06:28] <jsgotangco> enrico: you around?
[06:28] <jsgotangco> jbailey: nope, go grab your food
[06:28] <jsgotangco> :)
[06:28] <jbailey> thanks. =)
[06:40] <enrico> jsgotangco: I'm actually going away.  Could you try again tomorrow?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> enrico: ok or i'll just email thanks
[06:44] <enrico> jsgotangco: ok.
[07:08] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i'll email later i gotta sleep. ciao
[08:01] <mgalvin> jbailey: ping
[08:02] <jbailey> mgalvin: Heya.  Done your meeting?
[08:05] <mgalvin> jbailey: and lunch :)
[08:05] <mgalvin> whats up
[08:07] <jbailey> jsgotangco said that you had already done some packaging work for the docteam.  silbs has emailed us asking that it be in for Preview Freeze in the next day or so.
[08:07] <jbailey> So I'm trying to start from whatever exists now and get it into the archive.
[08:09] <mgalvin> ok, are you aware that it was decided a while that we were are going to ship html not xml?
[08:09] <mgalvin> i don't know how this will affect yelp yet
[08:09] <mgalvin> i know it points to the xml files, which will not be there anymore
[08:09] <jbailey> Right, but I don't quite know what 'ship' means in this context.
[08:10] <jbailey> Are you planning on keeping the generated HTML files in the svn?  Do I generate those at package build time?
[08:10] <mgalvin> when the package is build the docbook xml is translated to html and the html is the only thing in the package
[08:10] <mgalvin> not in svn or anything, the build process does the translation
[08:11] <jbailey> Right, so that sounds simple enough.
[08:11] <mgalvin> yup, have you been able to get the current pkg to build?
[08:13] <mgalvin> its not quite standard b/c some of the docs (the faqguide) does not live in what would be a normal place
[08:21] <jbailey> mgalvin: I just did the checkout a little bit ago.
[08:21] <jbailey> So far I didn't see a debian/ directory.  Is the package buried in this checkout somewhere?
[08:21] <jbailey> =)
[08:29] <mgalvin> jbailey: its inside the gnome dir
[08:29] <mgalvin> b/c there is also the kde package which is inside kde
[08:29] <jbailey> Ah, okay, the docs are per brnading  then?
[08:30] <mgalvin> yes, and some docs are profiled so that when they get built the automagically know to say "Ubuntu" or "Kubuntu" etc...
[08:34] <jbailey> Evil.
[08:34] <jbailey> Doing that in a way that translates well must suck.
[08:36] <mgalvin> right now its really only the faqguide so its not to bad since most of it is common to both, but yea, it can be a little wierd at times
[08:42] <jbailey> mgalvin: What all do you think is left to do then?  Anything I can help with?
[08:42] <jbailey> Wow, this is a noisy build.
[08:45] <mgalvin> well i had gone through and cleaned up the debian/ stuff to make it work the way we need... i think what we need to make sure the other apps like yelp, firefox and such know where the docs are for display
[08:45] <mgalvin> or to make sure we put docs where those apps expect them to be
[08:46] <mgalvin> plus, we need the package uploaded, i don't have upload privs
[08:46] <jbailey> Cool, that's easy enough.  Do you have a list of the apps that we should care about?
[08:46] <jbailey> I can do the package upload.
[08:46] <mgalvin> cool
[08:46] <jbailey> If you're happy with where the gnome/ and kde/ packages are, I'll upload them now to get them through NEW.
[08:47] <mgalvin> i don't have a comprehensive list yet, i could put one together, but off the top of my head, its a least yelp firefox and epihany
[08:53] <jbailey> 'k.  But you're otherwise happy with it?
[08:55] <mgalvin> I am pretty happy with the packages as they stand now, but i know yelp will not know where to find the docs... i just don't want to break anything ;)
[08:55] <jbailey> I'd like to get it through NEW if I could, we can tweak it up a bit later.  I can also do any fine adustments for locations and keeping FF/ and ephy happy.  I don't know yelp, but I'm sure I could figure it out.
[08:55] <jbailey> This might come under my BrandingForDerivative hat anyway, so  should probably know this. =0
[08:56] <mgalvin> go ahead an upload :)
[09:11] <mgalvin> jbailey: just let me know if there is anything else you need
[09:36] <jbailey> mgalvin: Will do, /me goes to look at the compile
[11:04] <mgalvin> bbl
[11:44] <ajmitch> oh good, you recruited jbailey to help out :)
[11:48] <jbailey> ajmitch: =)
[11:48] <jbailey> ajmitch: It's all good. I told lifeless that he should talk to you about mentoring him as a MOTU. =)