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| lamont-away | because it'd be nice if it booted... | 02:19 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:40 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:32 |
| BenC | good evening | 05:33 |
| fabbione | hey Ben | 05:36 |
| fabbione | how did the upload go? | 05:36 |
| BenC | linux-source went fine | 05:36 |
| fabbione | what about the others? | 05:36 |
| BenC | l-r-m is giving me some problems, but I think I got it | 05:36 |
| fabbione | what problems? | 05:37 |
| BenC | didn't know that the minor's needed to be bumped in debian/rules | 05:37 |
| fabbione | oh crap.. | 05:37 |
| fabbione | either i forgot and you can blame me.. | 05:37 |
| BenC | but I fixed that, and linux-meta is also uploaded | 05:37 |
| fabbione | or it wasn't clear in our talk | 05:37 |
| BenC | well, even Kamion just said to sed debian/control.stub :) | 05:37 |
| fabbione | eheh ok | 05:38 |
| BenC | oh shit, I hope the version numbers in debian/control.stub didn't need exact versions | 05:38 |
| fabbione | good.. | 05:38 |
| fabbione | BenC: the control.stub is enough you change 2.6.12-7 to 2.6.12-8 | 05:38 |
| BenC | do the minors that are listed as depends need to be bumped too? | 05:38 |
| BenC | ok | 05:38 |
| fabbione | no need of versioned build-deps | 05:38 |
| fabbione | not that i remember... | 05:39 |
| fabbione | i would have to look at it | 05:39 |
| fabbione | Maintainer: Ben Collins <ben.collins@ubuntu.com> | 05:39 |
| fabbione | Changed-By: Ben Collins <bcollins@localhost.localdomain> | 05:39 |
| BenC | well,hope, none there | 05:39 |
| fabbione | (linux-meta) | 05:39 |
| BenC | yeah, I didn't have my env setup right | 05:39 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 05:39 |
| fabbione | no biggie :) | 05:39 |
| fabbione | nobody cares..really | 05:40 |
| BenC | been awhile since I've done real package uploads ;) | 05:40 |
| fabbione | yeah i can understand that | 05:41 |
| fabbione | kernel is 4 pkgs away in the queue on sparc... | 05:42 |
| fabbione | good... | 05:42 |
| BenC | i386, amd64 and ppc are done | 05:42 |
| fabbione | yup i saw... | 05:42 |
| BenC | I think ia64 is building | 05:43 |
| fabbione | ia64 is always slower | 05:43 |
| BenC | I need to get my U2, G5, i2k and A500 running so I can do builds on everything but amd64 | 05:44 |
| BenC | remote builds are great for lots of test builds, but I need to run these things to | 05:44 |
| fabbione | BenC: keep in mind that i only have i386/sparc64 here :) | 05:45 |
| fabbione | and even tho i almost managed... | 05:45 |
| fabbione | sometimes the rules: the patch applies -> it's ready for stable did work | 05:45 |
| BenC | yeah, I did "patch applies and it built on i386, and the kernel booted for me" | 05:46 |
| BenC | I'm going to take mdz's advice and start a wiki page on this whole kernel upload procedure | 05:46 |
| fabbione | hmm yeah.. that might be a good idea | 05:49 |
| BenC | your notes are so far right on | 05:49 |
| BenC | haven't gotten to the baz part yet, but that I've already done, so I just have to follow the commands :) | 05:49 |
| fabbione | i am pretty sure the notes are ok :) | 05:50 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes please.. try to commit everything in baz asap | 05:50 |
| BenC | the minor's was the only thing that caused a hiccup | 05:50 |
| fabbione | if you get to commit almost at atomic level to baz, your kernel will get more testing.. | 05:50 |
| fabbione | i often build out of baz to do testing | 05:50 |
| BenC | yeah, I need to get a workflow going | 05:51 |
| fabbione | like: new patch -> one commit. patch update -> one commit | 05:51 |
| fabbione | yeah no problem.. | 05:51 |
| BenC | this last one was more or less "crap, which patches do I put in, and shit, how do I test them all" | 05:51 |
| fabbione | but for ex. i have been working on 8.12 a lo in the last days to debug ocfs2 | 05:51 |
| fabbione | you will never be able to test them all | 05:51 |
| BenC | yeah, but I like to atleast review them | 05:52 |
| BenC | but aside from the patches, I need to do some of my own debugging and patching | 05:52 |
| BenC | just going to take me a little bit longer to get into system | 05:52 |
| BenC | hopefully get back to how I was with libc6 back when I maintained that (which is close to comparable) | 05:53 |
| BenC | well, as close as you can come, but not really all that close | 05:53 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 05:54 |
| fabbione | i remember when you were maintaing libc6 | 05:54 |
| fabbione | you probably don't recall me bitching about the ipv6 resolver being broken | 05:54 |
| fabbione | and you said in an email: "Sure.. patches are welcome" | 05:54 |
| fabbione | you created a monster | 05:54 |
| fabbione | because at that time i did never even see a deb or a source code that big | 05:55 |
| BenC | yeah, I do remember that :) | 05:55 |
| BenC | ipv6 got a lot of attention because of that | 05:55 |
| fabbione | eheh | 05:56 |
| BenC | especially the one major bug that took me about 3 days of testing and a hundred lines of code to fix | 05:56 |
| BenC | getaddrinfo() | 05:56 |
| BenC | damn this network has gotten really unstable lately | 05:56 |
| BenC | lilo needs to chill with the restarts | 05:56 |
| lamont-away | BenC: I see you've been initiated in the world of stupid-pain that is linux-restricted-modules | 05:56 |
| fabbione | hey lamont-away | 05:57 |
| lamont-away | yo | 05:57 |
| BenC | lamont-away: it welcomed me with open claws | 05:57 |
| lamont | hehe | 05:57 |
| fabbione | BenC: lilo should be either hanged or crossburned | 05:57 |
| lamont | BenC: I have absolutely NO CLUE why whoever started that felt it was so important to have random version numbers for each package4 | 05:57 |
| BenC | need to redo l-r-m's stuff so that it's fairly automated | 05:57 |
| BenC | me either | 05:57 |
| lamont | just make them all have the same version number as the package? | 05:58 |
| fabbione | we can't | 05:58 |
| lamont | well, actually, they're tracking upstream version numbers where they exist, so I guess that's not entirely bad | 05:58 |
| BenC | seems to me that every upload would need those minors bumped, with makes them pointless | 05:58 |
| fabbione | that's why there is that madness | 05:58 |
| lamont | fabbione: why can't we? | 05:58 |
| BenC | well, the remaining ubuntu version needs to just be from the package | 05:58 |
| fabbione | nvidia-$UPSTREAMMAJOR-crack | 05:58 |
| fabbione | when i first did the package it was only nvidia | 05:58 |
| BenC | that's the package name though, right? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | and i did DOCUMENT it | 05:59 |
| fabbione | the others started adding all that sort of extra crack | 05:59 |
| BenC | seems to me it should match the kernel version it was compiled for | 05:59 |
| fabbione | BenC: the kernel modules are ok.. they do | 06:00 |
| fabbione | the problem is some userland thing.. | 06:00 |
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| === BenC waits out the storm before trying to talk again | ||
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| (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) fabbione: any reason that xorg-driver-fglrx would need to use a special minor version? | 06:03 | |
| (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) I think the minor version should come from debian/changelog and be generated at build time | 06:03 | |
| (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) BenC: i have no idea.. i only added nvidia to that thingy.. | 06:03 | |
| (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) for all those things | 06:03 | |
| (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) i am sure there is the problem with nvidia $major | 06:04 | |
| fabbione | because some other userland pkgs use it as versioned Depends: | 06:04 |
| fabbione | i really have no clue about the others | 06:04 |
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| BenC | fabbione: in l-r-m, 2.6.12.2, what does the .2 represent? | 06:12 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's just a number because they have updated something in the orig.tar.gz | 06:13 |
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| fabbione | nothing fancy | 06:13 |
| BenC | ok | 06:14 |
| fabbione | the problem with binary driver is that you can't update them with patches easily ;) | 06:14 |
| BenC | yeah, so it requires a new .orig.tar.gz upload | 06:14 |
| fabbione | yup | 06:15 |
| BenC | fabbione: l-r-m and linux-meta built and are in | 06:18 |
| fabbione | super | 06:18 |
| BenC | Kamion is doing d-i | 06:18 |
| fabbione | congratulation :) | 06:18 |
| fabbione | he did already | 06:18 |
| BenC | he did? | 06:18 |
| fabbione | yes | 06:18 |
| fabbione | in theory you can upload all of them at once.. | 06:18 |
| fabbione | but there are some drawbacks | 06:19 |
| fabbione | like you need a buildd admin to give them back due to Dep-Wait and FTBFS | 06:19 |
| BenC | yeah, ia64 needs a give-back | 06:21 |
| BenC | after the kernel is done | 06:21 |
| fabbione | is it dep-wait? | 06:22 |
| fabbione | because there is an auto giveback.. but i don't remember how often it is called | 06:23 |
| BenC | yeah, dep-wait | 06:24 |
| fabbione | than it's no issue.. it will be auto-un-dep-wait | 06:24 |
| BenC | all the primary arch's are done, so that's the end of my worry for the evening | 06:24 |
| fabbione | eeheh | 06:25 |
| fabbione | yeah | 06:25 |
| fabbione | i will try to collect the ABI files for sparc since it's going to build soon.. | 06:26 |
| fabbione | but i won't be able to commit them until you finish the baz dance | 06:26 |
| BenC | I'm going to add the bzip compressed ABI files to the linux-image packages for the next upload, so that I wont have to chase the files around like this | 06:30 |
| BenC | it's only 54k compressed, so not a major percentage of the package size | 06:30 |
| fabbione | BenC: we did think about that.. | 06:31 |
| fabbione | you still have the main issue if a kernel is FTBFS on an arch.. you need to get the ABI file.. | 06:32 |
| fabbione | that sorts of goes back to you as build on all arches before upload | 06:32 |
| fabbione | but yeah.. that would do in the majority of the case | 06:32 |
| BenC | how do you get an ABI file for an arch that wont build? | 06:32 |
| fabbione | that's the whole point of prebuilding :) | 06:33 |
| fabbione | to avoid FTBFS and get the ABI files if needed :) | 06:33 |
| infinity | There's no auto-give-back, that's a myth. | 06:39 |
| infinity | But if it's properly dep-waited, that will work itself out. | 06:40 |
| infinity | "auto-give-back" means me or lamont occasionally give back everything that's in the "building" state. | 06:40 |
| infinity | (Usually me, and usually when I'm doing a mass give-back due to a transition or something that I think may have magically made a bunch of things buildable) | 06:41 |
| infinity | So, if you guys find any kernel-related stuff that's FUBAR, just let me know, and I'll smack it around. | 06:41 |
| infinity | (auto-give-back in the context of buildd/sbuild, is only triggered on hideously broken chroots or missing/unavailable source... All other give-backs are manual) | 06:42 |
| BenC | it's in dep-wait, so it should be ok | 06:53 |
| mdz | fabbione: the d-i upload happened before l-r-m was built | 07:00 |
| mdz | fabbione: of course, I don't think nic-restricted-modules actually works anymore... | 07:00 |
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| fabbione | mdz: no, because we don't have ld_static in d-i and Kamion isn't happy to add it | 07:02 |
| BenC | shouldn't d-i build-dep on the proper version it is expecting? | 07:04 |
| BenC | I would have expected it to go into dep-wait | 07:04 |
| fabbione | BenC: you can't | 07:04 |
| fabbione | because you can't Build-Deps on udeb | 07:04 |
| BenC | it just uses linux-meta? | 07:04 |
| fabbione | d-i doesn't use anything else | 07:04 |
| BenC | ah | 07:04 |
| BenC | doesn't it check versions of things it downloads? | 07:05 |
| fabbione | yes.. it does, but d-i is allowed to access the net to build | 07:05 |
| fabbione | but it happens during the build | 07:05 |
| fabbione | not at Build-Dep installations | 07:05 |
| BenC | but I mean, can't it check the version of net-restricted-modules that it downloads to make sure it matches the kernel version? :) | 07:05 |
| BenC | and then ftb | 07:06 |
| fabbione | hmm i think it does somehow... | 07:06 |
| fabbione | but we don't really care.. | 07:06 |
| fabbione | that udeb is borked anyway | 07:06 |
| BenC | ok | 07:06 |
| mdz | how goes the new kernel? | 07:33 |
| mdz | l-m and l-r-m seem happy | 07:34 |
| mdz | I'm about to trigger livefs builds unless someone tells me otherwise | 07:34 |
| fabbione | mdz: all the packages seems to be in place.. did yo check d-i? | 07:35 |
| fabbione | d-i did build.. | 07:36 |
| fabbione | mdz: has it been by-handed? | 07:36 |
| mdz | fabbione: elmo did it before he went to bed | 07:37 |
| fabbione | ok.. than i think it's all there... | 07:37 |
| fabbione | i see no reasons to hold it | 07:37 |
| mdz | livefs builds in progress | 07:38 |
| mdz | they take about 40m | 07:38 |
| mdz | if I am still awake when they complete, I will do live CD builds | 07:38 |
| fabbione | mdz: perfect.. let me know if we get there, so i can rsync and test | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: btw we trimmed down the OCFS2 problem.. now we are working on a solution | 07:39 |
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| mdz | fabbione: livecd builds started | 09:09 |
| fabbione | mdz: great | 09:10 |
| mdz | will be 20050831.1 | 09:10 |
| fabbione | ok.. | 09:10 |
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| chmj | BenC: ping | 11:35 |
| fabbione | chmj: you are either too early or too late :) | 11:48 |
| fabbione | pick one | 11:48 |
| fabbione | ;) | 11:48 |
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| chmj | whatis benc's local time ? | 12:04 |
| fabbione | US.. | 12:07 |
| chmj | too late then | 12:17 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:05 |
| zul | BenC: congrats your first upload | 02:08 |
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| rtcm | he, so, is there a good reason for the vesafb and fbcon modules (and deps) be loaded by default? | 02:57 |
| rtcm | on the first versions of 2.6.12 this didn't happen... | 02:58 |
| zul | usplash i think but im not 100% sure | 03:02 |
| rtcm | usplash uses vga16fb | 03:02 |
| rtcm | at least vesafb is completely unnecessary AFAICT | 03:03 |
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| zul | hmmm...no preX,13 yet? | 03:32 |
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| BenC | zul: late night, I'll do the repo switch today | 04:35 |
| zul | cool..no worries | 04:37 |
| fabbione | hey BenC | 05:27 |
| fabbione | hi zul | 05:27 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 05:31 |
| fabbione | BenC: i have the sparc abi files... | 05:39 |
| fabbione | so as soon as you open 13 let me know and i will commit them | 05:40 |
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| zul | c ya later | 09:55 |
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