=== chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-138-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-074-244.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont-away ponders how soon he has to upload any changes he needs for ia64's kernel [02:19] because it'd be nice if it booted... === desrt ponders installing a colony release === fs [i=fs@213.178.77.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:40] heylo === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:32] morning [05:33] good evening [05:36] hey Ben [05:36] how did the upload go? [05:36] linux-source went fine [05:36] what about the others? [05:36] l-r-m is giving me some problems, but I think I got it [05:37] what problems? [05:37] didn't know that the minor's needed to be bumped in debian/rules [05:37] oh crap.. [05:37] either i forgot and you can blame me.. [05:37] but I fixed that, and linux-meta is also uploaded [05:37] or it wasn't clear in our talk [05:37] well, even Kamion just said to sed debian/control.stub :) [05:38] eheh ok [05:38] oh shit, I hope the version numbers in debian/control.stub didn't need exact versions [05:38] good.. [05:38] BenC: the control.stub is enough you change 2.6.12-7 to 2.6.12-8 [05:38] do the minors that are listed as depends need to be bumped too? [05:38] ok [05:38] no need of versioned build-deps [05:39] not that i remember... [05:39] i would have to look at it [05:39] Maintainer: Ben Collins [05:39] Changed-By: Ben Collins [05:39] well,hope, none there [05:39] (linux-meta) [05:39] yeah, I didn't have my env setup right [05:39] ehhehe [05:39] no biggie :) [05:40] nobody cares..really [05:40] been awhile since I've done real package uploads ;) [05:41] yeah i can understand that [05:42] kernel is 4 pkgs away in the queue on sparc... [05:42] good... [05:42] i386, amd64 and ppc are done [05:42] yup i saw... [05:43] I think ia64 is building [05:43] ia64 is always slower [05:44] I need to get my U2, G5, i2k and A500 running so I can do builds on everything but amd64 [05:44] remote builds are great for lots of test builds, but I need to run these things to [05:45] BenC: keep in mind that i only have i386/sparc64 here :) [05:45] and even tho i almost managed... [05:45] sometimes the rules: the patch applies -> it's ready for stable did work [05:46] yeah, I did "patch applies and it built on i386, and the kernel booted for me" [05:46] I'm going to take mdz's advice and start a wiki page on this whole kernel upload procedure [05:49] hmm yeah.. that might be a good idea [05:49] your notes are so far right on [05:49] haven't gotten to the baz part yet, but that I've already done, so I just have to follow the commands :) [05:50] i am pretty sure the notes are ok :) [05:50] BenC: yes please.. try to commit everything in baz asap [05:50] the minor's was the only thing that caused a hiccup [05:50] if you get to commit almost at atomic level to baz, your kernel will get more testing.. [05:50] i often build out of baz to do testing [05:51] yeah, I need to get a workflow going [05:51] like: new patch -> one commit. patch update -> one commit [05:51] yeah no problem.. [05:51] this last one was more or less "crap, which patches do I put in, and shit, how do I test them all" [05:51] but for ex. i have been working on 8.12 a lo in the last days to debug ocfs2 [05:51] you will never be able to test them all [05:52] yeah, but I like to atleast review them [05:52] but aside from the patches, I need to do some of my own debugging and patching [05:52] just going to take me a little bit longer to get into system [05:53] hopefully get back to how I was with libc6 back when I maintained that (which is close to comparable) [05:53] well, as close as you can come, but not really all that close [05:54] ehhe [05:54] i remember when you were maintaing libc6 [05:54] you probably don't recall me bitching about the ipv6 resolver being broken [05:54] and you said in an email: "Sure.. patches are welcome" [05:54] you created a monster [05:55] because at that time i did never even see a deb or a source code that big [05:55] yeah, I do remember that :) [05:55] ipv6 got a lot of attention because of that [05:56] eheh [05:56] especially the one major bug that took me about 3 days of testing and a hundred lines of code to fix [05:56] getaddrinfo() [05:56] damn this network has gotten really unstable lately [05:56] lilo needs to chill with the restarts [05:56] BenC: I see you've been initiated in the world of stupid-pain that is linux-restricted-modules [05:57] hey lamont-away [05:57] yo [05:57] lamont-away: it welcomed me with open claws [05:57] hehe [05:57] BenC: lilo should be either hanged or crossburned [05:57] BenC: I have absolutely NO CLUE why whoever started that felt it was so important to have random version numbers for each package4 [05:57] need to redo l-r-m's stuff so that it's fairly automated [05:57] me either [05:58] just make them all have the same version number as the package? [05:58] we can't [05:58] well, actually, they're tracking upstream version numbers where they exist, so I guess that's not entirely bad [05:58] seems to me that every upload would need those minors bumped, with makes them pointless [05:58] that's why there is that madness [05:58] fabbione: why can't we? [05:58] well, the remaining ubuntu version needs to just be from the package [05:58] nvidia-$UPSTREAMMAJOR-crack [05:58] when i first did the package it was only nvidia [05:59] that's the package name though, right? [05:59] and i did DOCUMENT it [05:59] the others started adding all that sort of extra crack [05:59] seems to me it should match the kernel version it was compiled for [06:00] BenC: the kernel modules are ok.. they do [06:00] the problem is some userland thing.. === ubuntulog [n=warthylo@212.242.141.114] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:irc.freenode.net] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12 === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mode/#ubuntu-kernel [-s] by ChanServ === sivang [n=sivang@213.9.79.162] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fs [i=fs@213.178.77.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-074-244.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-138-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@81.0.188.99] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-074-244.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@217.147.81.22] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ubuntulog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12 === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Fri Aug 19 16:47:23 2005 === BenC waits out the storm before trying to talk again === ubuntulog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,12--2.6.12 === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Fri Aug 19 16:47:23 2005 [06:03] (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) fabbione: any reason that xorg-driver-fglrx would need to use a special minor version? [06:03] (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) I think the minor version should come from debian/changelog and be generated at build time [06:03] (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) BenC: i have no idea.. i only added nvidia to that thingy.. [06:03] (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) for all those things [06:04] (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) i am sure there is the problem with nvidia $major [06:04] because some other userland pkgs use it as versioned Depends: [06:04] i really have no clue about the others === crimsun [n=crimsun@sh.nu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === desrt [n=desrt@24.215.14.137] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-138-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:12] fabbione: in l-r-m, 2.6.12.2, what does the .2 represent? [06:13] BenC: it's just a number because they have updated something in the orig.tar.gz === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:13] nothing fancy [06:14] ok [06:14] the problem with binary driver is that you can't update them with patches easily ;) [06:14] yeah, so it requires a new .orig.tar.gz upload [06:15] yup [06:18] fabbione: l-r-m and linux-meta built and are in [06:18] super [06:18] Kamion is doing d-i [06:18] congratulation :) [06:18] he did already [06:18] he did? [06:18] yes [06:18] in theory you can upload all of them at once.. [06:19] but there are some drawbacks [06:19] like you need a buildd admin to give them back due to Dep-Wait and FTBFS [06:21] yeah, ia64 needs a give-back [06:21] after the kernel is done [06:22] is it dep-wait? [06:23] because there is an auto giveback.. but i don't remember how often it is called [06:24] yeah, dep-wait [06:24] than it's no issue.. it will be auto-un-dep-wait [06:24] all the primary arch's are done, so that's the end of my worry for the evening [06:25] eeheh [06:25] yeah [06:26] i will try to collect the ABI files for sparc since it's going to build soon.. [06:26] but i won't be able to commit them until you finish the baz dance [06:30] I'm going to add the bzip compressed ABI files to the linux-image packages for the next upload, so that I wont have to chase the files around like this [06:30] it's only 54k compressed, so not a major percentage of the package size [06:31] BenC: we did think about that.. [06:32] you still have the main issue if a kernel is FTBFS on an arch.. you need to get the ABI file.. [06:32] that sorts of goes back to you as build on all arches before upload [06:32] but yeah.. that would do in the majority of the case [06:32] how do you get an ABI file for an arch that wont build? [06:33] that's the whole point of prebuilding :) [06:33] to avoid FTBFS and get the ABI files if needed :) [06:39] There's no auto-give-back, that's a myth. [06:40] But if it's properly dep-waited, that will work itself out. [06:40] "auto-give-back" means me or lamont occasionally give back everything that's in the "building" state. [06:41] (Usually me, and usually when I'm doing a mass give-back due to a transition or something that I think may have magically made a bunch of things buildable) [06:41] So, if you guys find any kernel-related stuff that's FUBAR, just let me know, and I'll smack it around. [06:42] (auto-give-back in the context of buildd/sbuild, is only triggered on hideously broken chroots or missing/unavailable source... All other give-backs are manual) [06:53] it's in dep-wait, so it should be ok [07:00] fabbione: the d-i upload happened before l-r-m was built [07:00] fabbione: of course, I don't think nic-restricted-modules actually works anymore... === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:02] mdz: no, because we don't have ld_static in d-i and Kamion isn't happy to add it [07:04] shouldn't d-i build-dep on the proper version it is expecting? [07:04] I would have expected it to go into dep-wait [07:04] BenC: you can't [07:04] because you can't Build-Deps on udeb [07:04] it just uses linux-meta? [07:04] d-i doesn't use anything else [07:04] ah [07:05] doesn't it check versions of things it downloads? [07:05] yes.. it does, but d-i is allowed to access the net to build [07:05] but it happens during the build [07:05] not at Build-Dep installations [07:05] but I mean, can't it check the version of net-restricted-modules that it downloads to make sure it matches the kernel version? :) [07:06] and then ftb [07:06] hmm i think it does somehow... [07:06] but we don't really care.. [07:06] that udeb is borked anyway [07:06] ok [07:33] how goes the new kernel? [07:34] l-m and l-r-m seem happy [07:34] I'm about to trigger livefs builds unless someone tells me otherwise [07:35] mdz: all the packages seems to be in place.. did yo check d-i? [07:36] d-i did build.. [07:36] mdz: has it been by-handed? [07:37] fabbione: elmo did it before he went to bed [07:37] ok.. than i think it's all there... [07:37] i see no reasons to hold it [07:38] livefs builds in progress [07:38] they take about 40m [07:38] if I am still awake when they complete, I will do live CD builds [07:39] mdz: perfect.. let me know if we get there, so i can rsync and test [07:39] mdz: btw we trimmed down the OCFS2 problem.. now we are working on a solution === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-165-94-44.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:09] fabbione: livecd builds started [09:10] mdz: great [09:10] will be 20050831.1 [09:10] ok.. === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-074-244.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:35] BenC: ping [11:48] chmj: you are either too early or too late :) [11:48] pick one [11:48] ;) === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:04] whatis benc's local time ? [12:07] US.. [12:17] too late then === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-140-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Bye"] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:05] heylo [02:08] BenC: congrats your first upload === rtcm [n=jman@217.129.142.72] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:57] he, so, is there a good reason for the vesafb and fbcon modules (and deps) be loaded by default? [02:58] on the first versions of 2.6.12 this didn't happen... [03:02] usplash i think but im not 100% sure [03:02] usplash uses vga16fb [03:03] at least vesafb is completely unnecessary AFAICT === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-140-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:32] hmmm...no preX,13 yet? === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-140-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rtcm [n=jman@217.129.142.72] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:35] zul: late night, I'll do the repo switch today [04:37] cool..no worries [05:27] hey BenC [05:27] hi zul [05:31] hey fabbione [05:39] BenC: i have the sparc abi files... [05:40] so as soon as you open 13 let me know and i will commit them === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.5.156] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-140-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:55] c ya later === lamont__ [n=lamont@15.238.5.156] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,13--2.6.12 === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-155-39-68.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel