| ajmitch | jbailey: yeah, he was in the channel a day or two ago | 12:04 |
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| ajmitch | he doesn't need much mentoring, though | 12:04 |
| jbailey | Right, he made it through being a DD, so it shouldn't be much.' | 12:08 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 02:59 |
| jbailey | Heya | 03:03 |
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| rmflagg | Does anyone know what could have happened when the "Default" or "Last" setting in GDM no longer functions? GDM also no longer asks me if I want to change my default setting. | 03:08 |
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| Burgundavia | are the planet.gnome rss feeds down for anyone else? | 05:00 |
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| Burgundavia | how the hell do I commit to our svn server again? | 05:24 |
| jbailey | The Ubuntu-docs builds fine and appears to be reasonably correct. | 05:39 |
| jbailey | The kde directory doesn't build at all. I'm getting XML errors, and there's two trivial bugs in the rules file. | 05:40 |
| jbailey | Right now, it's doing a make -C kde/, which isn't needed. | 05:40 |
| jbailey | By policy you have to be starting in the kde directory. | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | our main kde person has apparently jumped ship (Sean Wheller) | 05:40 |
| jbailey | I can spend tomorrow doing cleanup work on it. | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | that would be great | 05:41 |
| jbailey | But it would probably help if I had commit rights to the repository. | 05:41 |
| jbailey | How do I arrange that? | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | talk to elmo | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | I have no objections, and I doubt anyone else would | 05:41 |
| jbailey | Who's the team load for the docteam? It would help to at least cc: the person on the email to elmo. | 05:41 |
| Burgundavia | we don't relaly have one | 05:42 |
| jbailey | But I'll upload ubuntu-docs in a moment, and clean it up during preview freeze so that everything looks at it right. | 05:42 |
| jbailey | Fair enough. | 05:42 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 05:43 |
| Burgundavia | can you do the yelp hacking as well? | 05:43 |
| jbailey | Yeah. | 05:43 |
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| rob^ | Burgundavia, when did sean leave? | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, there is a post to the list | 05:47 |
| Burgundavia | he comes and gos | 05:47 |
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| Burgundavia | rob^, a while back | 05:47 |
| rob^ | just got in from work | 05:47 |
| rob^ | back when he was going on about that open learning thing? | 05:48 |
| Burgundavia | earlier | 05:48 |
| rob^ | must of missed it | 05:48 |
| rob^ | did you know he wrote a book about Ubuntu recently? | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I got the Toc for review | 05:51 |
| rob^ | yeah same | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | very much a Sean doc | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | lots of verbage | 05:51 |
| rob^ | yeah | 05:51 |
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| rob^ | it was very long, I thought they had sent me a copy of the actual book when I first opened it | 05:52 |
| jbailey | I've sent the request to elmo now. | 05:52 |
| rob^ | jbailey, do you have elmos email address? I need to get a new password for svn | 05:55 |
| jbailey | james.troup@canonical.com | 05:55 |
| rob^ | thanks | 05:56 |
| jbailey | Oh, I see. This doc package will have to be done tomorrow. mgavin's made an assumption about it being possible to have a deep debian/ directory which isn't strictly doable. | 05:58 |
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| jeffsch | rob^: ping | 06:39 |
| rob^ | jeffsch, pong | 06:39 |
| rob^ | whats up? | 06:39 |
| jeffsch | i was just looking at the faq guide... | 06:39 |
| jeffsch | it has profiles for os="kde" | 06:40 |
| rob^ | yes, some | 06:40 |
| rob^ | brb | 06:40 |
| jeffsch | but do we actually produce a kde version? | 06:40 |
| rob^ | no, not for breezy | 06:43 |
| rob^ | the plan is to do a kde version, I have started some work on it but haven't had time to do heaps | 06:43 |
| rob^ | I mean, you could, but it would mainly only be about gnome apps | 06:44 |
| rob^ | at the moment | 06:44 |
| jeffsch | ok good. I'll ignore the kde stuff then. | 06:45 |
| rob^ | yeah ok :) | 06:45 |
| rob^ | making the package I take it? | 06:45 |
| jeffsch | i just made some big changes to getting-started.xml. Can you take a look at it? | 06:46 |
| rob^ | ok | 06:46 |
| jeffsch | rob^: no. not making any packages. just reviewing. | 06:46 |
| rob^ | ok | 06:46 |
| jeffsch | i also wanna ask about question 1.5 on it. It says to use GnomeBaker instead of Nautilus. | 06:47 |
| rob^ | I was going for more a dedicated app rather then nautilus | 06:47 |
| rob^ | its what I use, but either way would suffice | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | if you have an iso, right-clicking works | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | as gnome-baker needs to be installed | 06:48 |
| jeffsch | ah. Maybe add Nautilus as an additional method | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | umm, there is no need for gnomebaker | 06:48 |
| rob^ | your talking about How do I burn the ISO onto a CD-R(W)? | 06:49 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 06:49 |
| rob^ | yeah, the nautilus way would be easier for that | 06:50 |
| jeffsch | ok. i will change it. | 06:50 |
| rob^ | ok np | 06:50 |
| jeffsch | i also changed the style of the question, from "how to..." to "how do I..." | 06:51 |
| jeffsch | if there is any reason to keep, "how to..." then i can change it back | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | there are a lot of How to | 06:51 |
| rob^ | most of that was a hang over from ubuntuguide | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | maybe a general search replace for them might be good | 06:52 |
| rob^ | yep | 06:52 |
| jeffsch | some are "how do I" and some are "How can I..." | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | hardware 5 (palmos devices) is completely wrong | 06:52 |
| rob^ | I dont own a palm so I couldnt check that | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | I do, will check it with my laptop | 06:53 |
| rob^ | ok thanks | 06:53 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: you will fix it then? | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | do we not have a section for the ATI drivers? | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, yes | 06:54 |
| rob^ | ditto | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, maybe the first item on user admin should not be "how to enable root account" | 06:54 |
| rob^ | heh | 06:55 |
| rob^ | it is a FAQ though | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | we are also promoting Ubuntu Best Practices, which is sudo | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, the sound stuff needs to extensively overhauled | 06:56 |
| Burgundavia | because esd has undergone some major changes in Breezy | 06:57 |
| rob^ | yes, its changed a bit now | 06:57 |
| Burgundavia | I have the latest right now | 06:57 |
| rob^ | but they have only been recent | 06:57 |
| Burgundavia | the dmix stuff? that is a least a month old | 06:57 |
| rob^ | I have been going nuts tracking all the changes lately | 06:57 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: you can fix that stuff too then | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | ahh | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, to answer my previous question, is there an ATI section? | 06:59 |
| rob^ | not currently | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | BinaryDriverHowto/ATI is pretty good | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, do you want me to tell you the changes or just make them? | 07:00 |
| rob^ | go ahead | 07:00 |
| Madpilot | dumb newbie-to-SVN question: once all that stuff is on my computer, I can just open the files normally, right? the tutorial isn't totally clear to me... | 07:02 |
| rob^ | I just sent some diffs in, dam my svn account | 07:03 |
| jeffsch | Madpilot: yep. just open and modify in place. | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | OK, thanks | 07:04 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, you want to apply those patches? | 07:06 |
| jeffsch | rob^: you can't remember your password? It should be in the email elmo sent you | 07:06 |
| jeffsch | Burgundavia: ok | 07:06 |
| rob^ | yes, its encrypted with my gpg key which I no longer have | 07:06 |
| jeffsch | :( | 07:07 |
| rob^ | tell me about it | 07:07 |
| rob^ | thats why you haven't seen much work from me in the last week or so | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, why do the DVD stuff point at RestrictedFormats> | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 07:08 |
| rob^ | after some advice I got from mdke and others it was recommended that we point users to the wiki when it comes to things like this | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | fair enough | 07:09 |
| rob^ | due to the legal issues with using/distributing libdvdcss2 | 07:09 |
| rob^ | covering our asses mainly | 07:09 |
| rob^ | same with w32codecs and libdivx4linux | 07:10 |
| ajmitch | even that is dubious, I heard | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | I am thinking we should just kill this section on sound | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | because dmix replaces all of it | 07:11 |
| rob^ | now that it has been fixed up, I agree | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | the only thing we should keep is the flash one | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | sudo ln -fs /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1 | 07:11 |
| Burgundavia | that one | 07:11 |
| rob^ | hmm scorched3d still has dependencies problems | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | so, any objections to renaming | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | "How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME?" to "How do I get sound working with Flash?" and removing all but that section? | 07:13 |
| rob^ | no, go ahead | 07:13 |
| ajmitch | rob^: oh? motu bug then | 07:14 |
| rob^ | libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but it is not installable | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | Scorched3d better be workign in Breezy - it's the only reason I need a 3d card... ;) | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | rob^: right, I'll fix that up when I get home | 07:15 |
| rob^ | yeah, I added it to the game section in the FAQ Guide.. | 07:15 |
| rob^ | ajmitch, ok thanks | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | it looks to be fixed, but the fix failed to build :) | 07:15 |
| rob^ | hah | 07:15 |
| rob^ | remove clipboard and smeg, yep I was going to do that myself | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | is there a &smeg for the smeg menu item? | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, ^ | 07:20 |
| rob^ | Applications -> System Tools -> Smeg Menu Editor | 07:21 |
| rob^ | heh, you mean in the .xml | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 07:21 |
| rob^ | if it isn't in there, then most likely no | 07:21 |
| rob^ | matt went through and did them | 07:22 |
| Burgundavia | where do I add them? | 07:22 |
| rob^ | gnome/menus/C | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, so I added smeg.xml | 07:24 |
| Burgundavia | but it still is spitting errors out at me | 07:25 |
| rob^ | just do something like <para os="gnome"> &smeg; </para> | 07:26 |
| rob^ | I think you may need to include it at the beginning of faqguide.xml | 07:26 |
| Burgundavia | nope, need to edit gnome-menus.ent | 07:26 |
| rob^ | oh, sorry you need to edit gnome/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent | 07:27 |
| rob^ | ah yeah | 07:27 |
| Madpilot | For XHTML docs, should I be using "charset=UTF-8" instead of "charset=ISO-8859-1"? | 07:27 |
| rob^ | which would include it | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 07:28 |
| Burgundavia | there is arlready something | 07:28 |
| rob^ | Madpilot, yep | 07:28 |
| Burgundavia | &menu-editor | 07:28 |
| Madpilot | rob^: thanks | 07:28 |
| rob^ | ah | 07:28 |
| rob^ | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | 07:29 |
| rob^ | bbs | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | tips and tricks 6 and 7 | 07:30 |
| Burgundavia | killall nautilus and gnome-panel | 07:31 |
| Burgundavia | these are horrible hackish solutions we shouldn't promote | 07:31 |
| Madpilot | but sometimes needed, no? esp. when adding things to the panels? | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | no | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | gamin now works | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | rob^: this is actually an XHTML doc still, not XML - I'm going to leave converting it to full XML to someone who knows XML... | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | and killing gnome-panel causes all kinds of joy | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | but it's now fully w3c-compliant XHMLT 1.0 Transitional, FWIW... | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | which? | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | tips and tricks 20 (synaptic is quite redundant) | 07:38 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: the Quick Tour - I've been finishing the code for it off | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | adding DocTypes and all the good stuff we left off when we first hacked it together | 07:39 |
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| rob^ | back | 08:03 |
| rob^ | synaptic? | 08:04 |
| rob^ | 10.22 should be removed | 08:04 |
| rob^ | redundant | 08:05 |
| rob^ | and 10.23 would be better done with either synaptic or apt-get/aptitude | 08:06 |
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| rob^ | the uninstall bit anyway | 08:06 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, you will also need to do a find and remove for the answers that refer to killall gnome-panel too | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 08:08 |
| jsgotangco | hey guys | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | hey jsgotangco | 08:08 |
| rob^ | hi jsgotangco | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, what is the link for that? | 08:08 |
| rob^ | it will look something like: | 08:09 |
| rob^ | <listitem os="gnome"> | 08:09 |
| rob^ | <para>Read <xref linkend="refreshgnomepanel"/> | 08:09 |
| rob^ | </para> | 08:09 |
| rob^ | </listitem> | 08:09 |
| rob^ | all that will have to be removed | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | how do I grep all the files in a dir? | 08:10 |
| rob^ | umm.. | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: -R | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | resursive | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | recursive, even... | 08:10 |
| rob^ | find '*.xml' -exec something.. | 08:10 |
| rob^ | to remove all that | 08:11 |
| rob^ | probaby need a couple of regexes | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | that is very odd | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | err guys we are about to package some stuff for the preview release jbailey is the one helping out | 08:12 |
| rob^ | or you could just pop open gedit and do it | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | im not familiar how it was done in hoary..anyone have a clue? | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | the diff in the emails says I removed this line "<question>" just above "<para>How to install/uninstall .deb file?</para>", but it isn't removed in my version | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | can someone svn up and confirm that> | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 08:12 |
| rob^ | hold on | 08:12 |
| rob^ | I got: | 08:14 |
| rob^ | <question> | 08:14 |
| rob^ | <para>How to install/uninstall .deb file?</para> | 08:14 |
| rob^ | </question> | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | ok, that is correct | 08:14 |
| rob^ | after a svn up | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | the diff in the email is wrong | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, ewww on the ubuntu logo | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, it is a hacked | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | version. I am going to take the svg and export tot eh correct size | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | "my Ubuntu" or just "Ubuntu">? | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | Ubuntu | 08:15 |
| rob^ | hmm so I see | 08:15 |
| rob^ | svn is on crack | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | "my <anything>" is far too Microsoft-like... | 08:16 |
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| Madpilot | jsgotangco: the messy Ubuntu logo on the quick tour is actually my fault, but it is just a placeholder... | 08:16 |
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| jsgotangco | that was awful | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | even MS is dropping My for Vista | 08:17 |
| rob^ | vista is such a crap name for an OS | 08:18 |
| rob^ | I still refer to it as "longhorn" | 08:18 |
| rob^ | which is almost as crap.. | 08:18 |
| Madpilot | Virusta... | 08:18 |
| rob^ | but then theres "Ubuntu".. :) | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | which at least means something | 08:19 |
| rob^ | zingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg | 08:20 |
| rob^ | yeah, I know | 08:20 |
| Madpilot | I still might register "www.windowsvirusta.com", if only for the pleasure of selling it back to MS... ;) | 08:21 |
| rob^ | you might get a free xbox and mcse like that mike rowe soft kid | 08:22 |
| Madpilot | then I could ebay the Xbox and get something useful... | 08:22 |
| rob^ | its "Vista" anyway | 08:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | wow, a free MCSE | 08:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | I wouldn't take it free | 08:23 |
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| jsgotangco | its free its still good | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | its still worth something to other employers | 08:24 |
| rob^ | thats right | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | anybody else think that Installing Applications is far too wordy? | 08:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | yes, but I don't want to work with windows :) | 08:24 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, the phrase? | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | no, the section | 08:25 |
| HrdwrBoB | I could probably get an MCSE, and I'm about that level, but argh | 08:25 |
| rob^ | HrdwrBoB, nither do many of the rest of us, but that tends to be where the work and money is | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | but the jobs suck | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | its still money | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | all of us need it one way or another | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 08:26 |
| rob^ | yep, hence I lock my self in my unix server room as much as I can | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | i actually did a demo of the OpenCD to a group of students yesterday | 08:26 |
| HrdwrBoB | rob^: there's plenty (and more everyday) of linux work around | 08:26 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, you should have seen how wordy it used to be | 08:26 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 08:27 |
| rob^ | HrdwrBoB, yes but most jobs require you to have ms certs also | 08:27 |
| rob^ | I removed about 40% of what used to be there | 08:29 |
| rob^ | the first question was twice as long as that before | 08:30 |
| HrdwrBoB | rob^: not in my experience | 08:30 |
| HrdwrBoB | though I'm in sysdamin in australia | 08:30 |
| rob^ | so am I | 08:34 |
| rob^ | its just who I do it for is different | 08:34 |
| rob^ | then the norm, anyway | 08:35 |
| rob^ | grr this lack of commit access really sucks | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | where are the menu entries again? | 08:37 |
| rob^ | gnome/ something | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | wow security is full of crap | 08:50 |
| rob^ | yeah just a bit | 08:51 |
| rob^ | I think it should be scraped and redone | 08:51 |
| rob^ | but like I said, no commit password :( | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | honestly, there isn't anything more than the following two things | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | 1. Keep up to date | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | 2. Don't install software from untrusted sources | 08:51 |
| rob^ | when it comes to Linux, yes they are the two key things | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | shall I burn it down to those 2? | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | and maybe one about adding a firewall | 08:52 |
| rob^ | but some of the other things are important when going to a LUG meeting with your box :) | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | if you go to lug meetings, you should know what to do | 08:53 |
| rob^ | kill nessus too | 08:53 |
| rob^ | heh yeah | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | and you are unlikely to be looking at this doc for advice | 08:53 |
| rob^ | you haven't seen some of the members of my lug | 08:53 |
| rob^ | its half tafe students | 08:53 |
| Madpilot | just sent the Quick Tour diff off to the list, fully of shiny XHTML goodness | 08:54 |
| Madpilot | rob^: tafe students? who/what is tafe? | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, so can I go to town on the security section? | 08:55 |
| rob^ | yep | 08:55 |
| rob^ | tafe students are like adult student things | 08:56 |
| rob^ | umm like poor mans uni/collage | 08:56 |
| rob^ | its a funny thing | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | heheh | 08:57 |
| rob^ | you can do an IT diploma there | 08:57 |
| Madpilot | adult continuing ed, like? | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | Madpilot: not really | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | Madpilot: but some of them | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | Madpilot: more like... vocational skills | 08:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | tafe also does the trade stuff | 08:58 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK. | 08:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | chippies, sparkies, etc | 08:58 |
| rob^ | yep | 08:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | my mother works at a tafe teaching english to migrates and illiterate people | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | that doesnt sound so bad its still education | 08:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | jsgotangco: yeah but it won't get you anywhere professionally | 08:59 |
| HrdwrBoB | in terms of IT | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | oh its that bad then | 08:59 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's not necessarily bad, but it's not valued by most employers for anything over a gopher position | 08:59 |
| rob^ | yeah I did an it diploma many years ago, tell me bout it | 08:59 |
| rob^ | its kind of the equiv of doing a trade | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | I was looking at the web design diploma at our local college, and it really seems more like a Macromedia diploma... | 09:01 |
| HrdwrBoB | yeah | 09:02 |
| Madpilot | plus the fact that the web design program's servers have now been down for a week+ doesn't inspire confidence! | 09:02 |
| HrdwrBoB | it might teach YOU how to do things | 09:02 |
| HrdwrBoB | but that's all it's ultimately for | 09:02 |
| HrdwrBoB | my problem is I'm biased towards professional IT, and as such discount tafe stuff mostly offhand, plus I'm a bit of an arsehole | 09:03 |
| HrdwrBoB | so take it all with a grain of salt :) | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | wow lock screen now works | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | even sound mute | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | !!! | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | grr | 09:11 |
| Madpilot | ? | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | generic/faqguide/C/security.xml:44: parser error : Entity 'firestarter' not defined | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, toshiba hotkeys | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | but it freaking works!!! | 09:12 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: ah, OK... | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | ok I have a conflict | 09:16 |
| Burgundavia | validate is spitting up an error at me, but the doc works | 09:16 |
| Burgundavia | should I commit? | 09:17 |
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| Madpilot | hmmm... does ./validate.sh work on HTML/XHTML docs as well as XML? | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, faqguide? | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | the error I just posted | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | are you validating security.xml itself? | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 09:18 |
| jsgotangco | try validating faqguide.xml instead | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | just did, that works | 09:18 |
| jsgotangco | it should work because security.xml is not a complete docbook | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | it just starts with <chapter> | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | oh wait | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | i get tons of errors | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | cleanup the unknown entity called "refreshgnomepanel" | 09:21 |
| jsgotangco | its an unkown ID | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | grr | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | need to kill those | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | (no idea where that entity is ) | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | dead | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | "refreshgnomepanel" is the only thing you need to kill | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | I already did | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | commit again and i'll check | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | but the references are not | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | its still there | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | in a big number of lines | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | i can fix this but i'll have to open up all the docs and check | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | already did | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | ahh there its now clean | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right daniels said it was fixed already on -56 but the repo still hasnt refreshed | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | it still has -54 | 09:31 |
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| rob^ | ah the joys of having kids | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | rob^: what were they lighting on fire this time? ;) | 09:37 |
| rob^ | nah mainly puking all over me | 09:37 |
| === Burgundavia was discussing kids with gf this evening. It was decided not to have any | ||
| Madpilot | we talking "quite ill" or "very very small"? | 09:38 |
| rob^ | very wise :P | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: I really, really can't see C as a a mom, it just doesn't compute... | 09:38 |
| rob^ | very very small | 09:39 |
| rob^ | well one is | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, no | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | how do I apply a diff? | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | kids are great | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | especially when they say i love you daddy | 09:41 |
| === Burgundavia thinks that kids are great honey-roasted | ||
| jsgotangco | people who didnt expererience being parents wont know the feeling | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | of vomit on their clothes, that is | 09:41 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: is that before or after they puke? | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | neither | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | if its your kid you wouldn't mind | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | children are after all very vulnerable | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | thats why the world made parents to protect them | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, how do I apply a diff? | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | patch -p0 patch.diff file.xml | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | wait | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | file.xml first then patch.dff | 09:46 |
| === robitaille ah kids...imagine how much ubuntu stuff I could do without them :) | ||
| jsgotangco | robitaille, you're not serious | 09:46 |
| rob^ | heh yep | 09:46 |
| robitaille | :) | 09:46 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, applied | 09:50 |
| Madpilot | thanks | 09:50 |
| Madpilot | svn up - lots of stuff - how come neither FF nor Opera can parse some of those xml files? | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, do you follow doc-team commits? | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, they are docbook | 09:51 |
| Madpilot | and DocBook isn't XML as regular browsers understand it, right? | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | it is a type of XML | 09:52 |
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| Madpilot | nevermind, just found the wiki info on opening stuff in Yelp... | 09:56 |
| jsgotangco | the new OOo 2 can actually save documents as docbook | 09:57 |
| rob^ | breezy decided to install both OOo1 and OOo2 the other day | 09:57 |
| Madpilot | that's cool, and will make things much easier for Doc teams everywhere, I hope... | 09:57 |
| rob^ | heh we will see about that.. | 09:58 |
| === Burgundavia doesn't trust wysiwyg editors, for any *ml | ||
| rob^ | could make things worse | 09:58 |
| rob^ | like Burgundavia said | 09:59 |
| Madpilot | yeah, if it cranks out buggy code, then it's worse than useless... | 09:59 |
| rob^ | just look at wysiwyg html editors | 09:59 |
| Madpilot | rob^: exactly... | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, are updates supposed to be seen instantly after uploading or is there a certain amount of time that it gets updated? | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, updates to Ubuntu? | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | yes Breezy specifically | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | there is a nightly cron job to apt-get update | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | as for telling the user, I think the icon-thingy polls about every 5 minutes | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't update, just looks to see if there are some indicated by a previous update | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | nvm, daniels' update just appeared | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | there is also a complicate schedule for building | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | this should fix my Xorg now | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | things are build and then twice an hour moved to the repos | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | well the daily build is scheduled | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | 03 and 33 | 10:05 |
| Madpilot | need sleep - having to work at 0900 bites. g'night, all | 10:06 |
| jsgotangco | hmm at least an hour and a half after upload | 10:06 |
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| rob^ | heh | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 10:17 |
| rob^ | working tomorrow | 10:17 |
| rob^ | :) | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | hmm its almost a month since i last worked in an office | 10:17 |
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| Burgundavia | well, night all | 10:29 |
| rob^ | night | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | is it just me or are the fonts in frefox breezy look really vague in the wiki | 10:37 |
| rob^ | yeah | 10:38 |
| rob^ | msttcorefonts | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | even white looks really washed up | 10:39 |
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| jsgotangco | later guys im quite tired already | 12:26 |
| klepas | nn | 12:27 |
| klepas | :-) | 12:27 |
| rob^ | cya | 12:27 |
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| mgalvin | g'morning all | 03:11 |
| rob^ | morning | 03:12 |
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| rob^ | hes* | 03:13 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 03:13 |
| rob^ | i'm trying to get them to "hack" me | 03:15 |
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| rob^ | so far the best then can do is "scare" me with ctcps | 03:15 |
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| jjesse | morning :) | 03:37 |
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| jbailey | mgalvin: Around? | 04:57 |
| mgalvin | jbailey: hi, i am here | 05:22 |
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| jbailey | mgalvin: Heya - The bits inside the gnome directory references things outside of it. | 05:26 |
| jbailey | So having the debian directory buried in there isn't really going to work. | 05:26 |
| mgalvin | yea, that the not normal part i was talking about | 05:26 |
| mgalvin | this is the way it has been for a while as far as i know, what would you recommend doing | 05:27 |
| jbailey | Do you intend for the KDE and Gnome ones to be the same source package? | 05:28 |
| jbailey | Or should they be completely separate and duplicate where needed? | 05:28 |
| jbailey | (Or have a common base for other things?) | 05:28 |
| jbailey | If you haven't thought about it, no worries. =) | 05:28 |
| mgalvin | gnome and kde are separate and the common stuff is the stuff we ref .. | 05:29 |
| jbailey | Right. | 05:29 |
| jbailey | It wants the stuff from ../ | 05:29 |
| jbailey | Works fine when I build it from the svn tree. | 05:29 |
| jbailey | But the souce package doesn't have the final bits in it. | 05:29 |
| mgalvin | i guess it would be easier/quicker for now to just dup the common stuff for now, then later we can make a proper ubuntu-docs-common type package (or something similar) | 05:31 |
| jbailey | I can do both just as easily. | 05:32 |
| jbailey | So I'll aim for that then. Hmm. | 05:32 |
| jbailey | Although I guess that means a source tree reorg... | 05:32 |
| mgalvin | ok, if you can whip up -common, that would be cool | 05:33 |
| mgalvin | yea which is something that would require a bit more discussion with the rest of the team | 05:33 |
| jbailey | 'k, I'll whip it up separate for now. I'd like to just do -common so the ftp masters don't beat me. | 05:35 |
| jbailey | kde also didn't build, I'm guess I'll need to clean that up. | 05:36 |
| jbailey | I've asked for write access to the SVN repo. | 05:36 |
| mgalvin | sounds good, if you need anything committed to svn for now, let me know, i can commit it for you until your commit access is set up | 05:38 |
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| jbailey | Cool. | 05:47 |
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| jbailey | for the split into -common and such... | 08:13 |
| jbailey | During development, will it be acceptible to require that the -common package bits be installed into the correct locations? | 08:13 |
| jbailey | I'm wondering how I'll ask the build to look *either* in ../common *or* in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs-common/... | 08:14 |
| mgalvin | jbailey: i would say ../common would be best for now | 08:40 |
| jbailey | Right, but the packages versions have to build based on stuff in /usr/share/... | 08:40 |
| jbailey | That's why I was originally wondering if it should be one big source package for all of the docs. | 08:41 |
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| mgalvin | hmm, i don't have any objects to having everything in one package, but i don't how the other members would feel about that | 09:24 |
| mgalvin | jbailey: we don't have much time left to open a discussion about it, i would say just do what you need to do to get it to work and for breezy+1 we will come up with a better structure and packaging method | 09:25 |
| jbailey | 'kay. I'll glue it all together as I want and get it uploaded. | 09:26 |
| mgalvin | great | 09:45 |
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