[12:30] <Mitario> hi guys
[12:41] <bddebian> Nafallo: Thanks.
[12:42] <Nafallo> bddebian: no problem. but I will not upload another package without a changelog entry for you ;-)
[12:42] <bddebian> Doh
[12:42] <bddebian> OK
[12:42] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:42] <bddebian> Gotta run for a bit.  Thanks again
[01:22] <StrikeForce> anyone on with main permissiosn
[01:22] <StrikeForce> permissions*
[01:23] <StrikeForce> ogra: you on?
[01:24] <slomo> ogra isn't here ;)
[01:24] <mbreit> good night everyone...
[01:25] <StrikeForce> do you have main rights slomo ?
[01:25] <slomo> StrikeForce: no... better ask in -devel
[01:25] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:27] <Nafallo> slomo doesn't have rights ;-)
[01:27] <StrikeForce> does anyone here?
[01:28] <StrikeForce> I know ogra does is there anyone else?
[01:28] <Nafallo> dholbach and \sh
[01:28] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:28] <ajmitch> bittornado was already uploaded by doko
[01:28] <StrikeForce> doh
[01:28] <ajmitch> and yes, your patch did need changed :)
[01:29] <StrikeForce> what was wrong with it :(
[01:30] <ajmitch> well you don't need the dependency on libwxgtk2.4-1-python
[01:30] <StrikeForce> don't I ?
[01:30] <StrikeForce> is it only needed for usage?
[01:30] <StrikeForce> as in the gui version
[01:31] <ajmitch> no, it's not needed at all, because python-wxgtk2.4 is a real package
[01:31] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[01:31] <StrikeForce> so I should have deleted that part
[01:32] <ajmitch> certainly, and I didn't look into it enough
[01:33] <StrikeForce> well that was the only change
[01:33] <ajmitch> I know
[01:35] <StrikeForce> that means I'll need to change bittorrent as well
[01:46] <StrikeForce> Can we submit updated packages e.g. video-dvdrip?
[01:47] <ajmitch> what is wrong with it?
[01:48] <StrikeForce> just a new upstream version?
[01:48] <ajmitch> is there any good reason for wanting to get this version in?
[01:49] <StrikeForce> not sure yet only just got released a couple of days after video-dvdrip was uploaded
[01:49] <StrikeForce> so I'm going to have a better look at it now
[01:49] <ajmitch> since we have been in upstream version freeze for nearly 2 months no, in feature freeze, and preview freeze is almost upon us
[01:50] <ajmitch> so any new upstream versions have to have good justification
[01:50] <StrikeForce> so when do the new upstream versions get uploaded?
[01:50] <StrikeForce> in breezy +1
[01:50] <ajmitch> yes
[01:50] <Nafallo> StrikeForce: yes
[01:50] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:50] <ajmitch> they get synced automatically
[01:50] <StrikeForce> so now its just fix whats there at the moment
[01:50] <StrikeForce> synced from debian?
[01:50] <ajmitch> pretty much
[01:50] <ajmitch> yes
[01:50] <StrikeForce> fair enough
[01:50] <ajmitch> we've got enough fixing to get done
[01:50] <Nafallo> ajmitch: will mom report to malone for breezy+1? :-)
[01:51] <ajmitch> Nafallo: no idea
[01:52] <StrikeForce> anyways show and work time
[01:52] <StrikeForce> :(
[02:01] <ajmitch> bbl
[02:48] <zul> morning kids
[03:10] <ajmitch> hi zul
[03:11] <ajmitch> what's new?
[03:11] <zul> not much just enjoying the new laptop
[03:11] <ajmitch> heh
[03:26] <ajmitch> hello jsgotangco
[03:26] <jsgotangco> morning ajmitch
[03:35] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:56] <ajmitch> sigh, some of these packages need stripped down & rebuilt
[03:58] <bmonty> which ones?
[04:00] <robitaille> is there a wiki page for the cairo transition?  I noticed yesterday that network-manager needs libcairo1; can't fill a bug in bugzilla (universe), and Malone doesn't know about that package either, so can't file a bug anywhere about it :)
[04:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: a couple of python ones that were imported from apt-get.org
[04:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: they're badly done, to put it mildly :)
[04:01] <lifeless> heh.
[04:01] <bmonty> ajmitch: I can't help there, I don't know much about python
[04:02] <ajmitch> I've maintained some python packages for a little while
[04:02] <ajmitch> so I've taken them on, and I guess I'll send them back to the developer :)
[04:03] <ajmitch> robitaille: no, but feel free to make one :)
[04:03] <ajmitch> it's one of the last packages to still have a depend - and will be uploaded soon
[04:03] <ajmitch> at least 2 people have been working on it
[04:04] <robitaille> ok; as long as it is known and being worked on; I'm happy.
[04:05] <ajmitch> robitaille: it's because it was in main, is now in universe (or was meant to be in main but didn't quite make it)
[04:05] <robitaille> yes I know. there are a few other missing ones in Malone; new ones, or recent demotions  evolution-plugins is one of them as well.
[04:06] <ajmitch> yep
[04:06] <ajmitch> I think those procedures have to be sorted out
[04:09] <bmonty> ajmitch: I'm still working on the apt-spy package and making it work for ubuntu....I'm basically going to have to rewrite the program to handle the ubuntu differences, do you think that should make a new package?
[04:09] <ajmitch> bmonty: ouch, why a rewrite?
[04:10] <bmonty> ajmitch: the ubutun mirror listing is nothing like the debian one
[04:10] <Lathiat_> bmonty: is the "debian format" html or some kind of XML/simple format ?
[04:10] <bmonty> I can reuse all of the benchmarking code, but the parsers are no good
[04:10] <bmonty> Lathiat_: it is a text file
[04:10] <Lathiat_> bmonty: what does it look like?
[04:10] <ajmitch> bmonty: hm, sounds more like a new package
[04:10] <ajmitch> if it's that major a rewrite
[04:10] <Lathiat_> (e.g. can we replaciate such a text file)
[04:11] <Lathiat_> err, replciate
[04:11] <Lathiat_> replicate!
[04:11] <Lathiat_>  damnit
[04:12] <bmonty> Lathiat_: it looks like http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list the info after the "Secondary Mirrors" heading
[04:12] <bmonty> Lathiat_: we could probably replicate the text file
[04:12] <Lathiat_> ok, i see no reason why we cant just make such a text file
[04:12] <Lathiat_> looks fairly sane to me...
[04:13] <Lathiat_> just need to haras the right person to get it done and updatable
[04:13] <bmonty> I have a perl script that can parse the wiki page....maybe someone can put the output from that on the ubuntu web server?
[04:14] <bmonty> I'd have to update it a little to make the output match the debian format
[04:14] <Lathiat_> sounds good
[04:14] <bmonty> I'm also assuming that the only ubuntu mirror listing is what is in the wiki
[04:14] <Lathiat_> as long as the wiki page stays in format
[04:15] <bmonty> yeah
[04:16] <bmonty> any idea who I should contact about that?
[04:16] <Lathiat_> hrm
[04:16] <Lathiat_> not sure
[04:16] <Lathiat_> maybe elmo?
[04:16] <bmonty> maybe I'll just post it to ubuntu-dev and see who replies :)
[05:13] <Burgundavia> \sh_away, siretart your canonical machines are brand-new?
[05:44] <desrt> how can i love ghc6?
[05:47] <ajmitch> desrt: it needs a lot of love - chiefly hacking together a new package from upstream cvs, somehow getting it bootstrapped on the buildds, and then throwing packages at it
[05:47] <ajmitch> talk to sistpoty about it as well
[05:48] <ajmitch> I'd hate for you both to do it at once :)
[05:48] <desrt> i suppose he ircs but isn't around at the moment?
[05:49] <ajmitch> he doesn't appear to be around
[05:49] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[05:49] <desrt> i was reading this
[05:49] <ajmitch> looks like he's done a fair bit of what's needed
[05:51] <desrt> hmm.  that's good
[05:51] <desrt> we use ghc fairly extensively at work and my cluster runs  breezy so ..... yeah :)
[05:51] <desrt> it looks like it might be fixed soon without my help though.  good to know :)
[05:51] <desrt> cheers.
[05:51] <Lathiat_> iirc
[05:51] <desrt> woh
[05:51] <Lathiat_> we were waiting on new upstream
[05:51] <desrt> it's that guy
[05:51] <Lathiat_> for gcc4 fixes
[05:52] <desrt> Lathiat; yes and no
[05:52] <Lathiat_> and ti was due anytime now (tm)
[05:52] <desrt> Lathiat; ghc releases are ... funny
[05:52] <Lathiat_> but apparentyl cvs now works
[05:52] <desrt> like ghc 6.4 was supposed to come out last august
[05:52] <Lathiat_> so at worst
[05:52] <Lathiat_> we can run with that
[05:52] <desrt> and it came out in like april :P
[05:52] <desrt> the simons have a nice "when it's ready" policy :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> well we'll have to run with the daily snapshot then
[05:53] <ajmitch> and forward any bugreports to them ;)
[05:53] <desrt> nod. the wiki page says you're using a snap
[05:53] <desrt> it'd be awful nice if they got 641 out before breezy
[05:54] <desrt> i think i'll nudge them a bit :P
[05:58] <ajmitch> please do
[07:50] <pef> morning
[09:25] <siretart> morning
[09:26] <siretart> Burgundavia: yeah, the revu has already moved to the canonical server :)
[09:26] <Burgundavia> siretart, cool
[09:26] <Burgundavia> siretart, but I was actually referring to your laptop'
[09:27] <siretart> ah, :)
[09:27] <siretart> Burgundavia: they are faily new, I think the label says feb,
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:34] <ivoks> 'morning
[09:35] <siretart> Burgundavia:  S/N: 99-FAMB5 05/01 - this last part is the manufacturing date
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:35] <Treenaks> siretart: is that 2005-01 or 2001-05 ?
[09:35] <siretart> Treenaks: Jan, 2005
[11:35] <ogra> tseng, awake by any chance ?
[11:36] <siretart> hi ogra
[11:36] <ogra> hey
[11:36] <siretart> ogra: infinity asked me if it was ok to update php 4.3 in universe to 4.4 earlier today
[11:36] <ogra> sure
[11:37] <ogra> see php updates as generally granted ;)
[11:37] <siretart> ogra: I said that he should know better than me, and in case of doubt, he should rather ask you, because I don't know much about php
[11:37] <siretart> okay
[11:38] <siretart> he wanted to have another look, because some packages need to be rebuild (i.e. another transistion)
[11:38] <siretart> as far as I understood it
[11:38] <siretart> ah, he isn't in this channel..
[11:42] <ogra_> grr
[11:42] <ogra_> siretart, see php updates as generally granted ;)
[11:42] <ogra_> siretart, its 99% likely that they are security improvements ;)
[11:42] <Treenaks> ogra_: :)
[11:43] <ogra_> :)
[11:43] <siretart> ok
[12:10] <tseng> ogra: hi
[12:10] <ogra> tseng, to late now...
[12:10] <tseng> ogra: ok.
[12:10] <tseng> ogra: sorry.
[12:10] <ogra> tseng, someone was asking me about common authentication models used in php programming
[12:10] <tseng> ah
[12:11] <tseng> i usually leave that to apache
[12:11] <tseng> make an apache  protected (mod-auth-kerb) directory with a php file in it
[12:12] <tseng> if they can get past the password prompt, that file sets up their session
[12:14] <ogra> tseng, forwarded, thanks :)
[12:14] <tseng> great
[01:34] <slomo> hi Nafallo :) we can start uploading stuff ;)
[01:34] <Nafallo> slomo: sure :-)
[01:57] <StrikeForce> ogra: are you on?
[01:57] <ogra> yup
[01:57] <StrikeForce> can you have a look at a program for me
[01:57] <StrikeForce> its supposed to be in main
[01:57] <StrikeForce> bittorrent is up in revu
[01:58] <ogra> not now, i'm very busy preparing for preview freeze....
[01:58] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[01:58] <StrikeForce> not sure if its been uploaded to main though
[01:58] <StrikeForce> since I don't have an account for main hence I was asked to contact someone who could
[01:59] <ogra> i'll look at it...
[01:59] <StrikeForce> sweet thanks heaps
[02:26] <Mitario> heya everyone
[02:27] <StrikeForce> hey
[02:27] <Treenaks> hey Mitario
[02:27] <slomo> hi Mitario :) do you want to ping mako again? ;)
[02:30] <Mitario> pff again? ;)
[02:32] <slomo> Mitario: why not? it isn't that much work to check our signatures... my key is even signed by someone who also signed mako ;)
[02:33] <Mitario> true true
[02:33] <Treenaks> Mitario: need sigs ? :P
[02:33] <Mitario> Treenaks, weet nog niet :) maar als ik ze nodig mocht hebben pak ik de trein :p
[02:33] <Treenaks> Mitario: k :)
[02:44] <StrikeForce> how do I know if a package is in universe?
[02:44] <StrikeForce> and not main
[02:45] <Treenaks> StrikeForce: apt-cache show :)
[02:47] <StrikeForce> Treenaks: thanks that explains it for me :P
[02:48] <Treenaks> StrikeForce: apt-cache show packagename
[02:48] <StrikeForce> I don't really want to do main packages since it doesn't offer anyone any benefits
[02:48] <StrikeForce> no I was being serious I wasn't being sarcastic
[02:49] <Treenaks> StrikeForce: well, try it
[02:49] <Treenaks> StrikeForce: packages.ubuntu.com can help also
[02:49] <StrikeForce> Treenaks: I have it works fine
[02:49] <StrikeForce> yeah I built bittorrent and bittornado to meet unmet deps
[02:49] <StrikeForce> however they are main packages
[02:57] <StrikeForce> Got a question
[02:58] <StrikeForce> I just did sudo pdebuild for scorched3d and it worked fine
[02:58] <StrikeForce> however when I do an apt-cache -i unmet | less then search for scorched3d it comes up with an unmet dependancy
[02:59] <StrikeForce> even though it compiled fine could it be the running of the program?
[03:01] <ogra> StrikeForce, apt-cache madison gives cleaner output ;)
[03:01] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[03:05] <StrikeForce> well I'm just checking it now so if it all installs and works then I'll upload it
[03:05] <rbelem> morning all ;-)
[03:05] <StrikeForce> morning rbelem
[03:06] <rbelem> morning StrikeForce
[03:18] <StrikeForce> Stupid question to come
[03:18] <StrikeForce> I usually build packages using dpkg-buildpackage
[03:18] <StrikeForce> however I've been trying to learn how to build with pdebuild whats the command to actually build the .deb package and sign it?
[03:23] <rbelem> hey StrikeForce i listed at my wiki some links that are very useful. RodrigoBelem
[03:26] <rbelem> StrikeForce: i just need to organize it
[03:27] <rbelem> ;-)
[03:27] <StrikeForce> :) Its  heaps more than what I got :)
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:28] <rbelem> hey bddebian ;-)
[03:28] <bddebian> Hello rbelem
[03:28] <rbelem> ;-)
[03:45] <bddebian> Welcome ogra
[03:45] <ogra> :/
[03:47] <slomo> Lathiat_: are there already new avahi packages?
[03:48] <bddebian> Oh, hi, slomo, you snuck in again :-)
[03:49] <slomo> bddebian: i'm here since 3 hours already ;)
[03:50] <bddebian> Welcome crimsun
[03:50] <Lathiat_> slomo: yeh
[03:50] <Lathiat_> slomo: http://www.burtononi.com/debian/breezy/
[03:50] <bddebian> slomo: Oh, well you didn't say Hi to me.. :'-(
[03:50] <bddebian> ;-P
[03:50] <slomo> bddebian: hi bddebian :) sorry... i'm a bit confused today ;)
[03:50] <bddebian> Bah, I'm kidding
[03:50] <slomo> Lathiat_: domain not found ;)
[03:51] <Lathiat_> burtonini
[03:51] <slomo> Lathiat_: ok, works :) revu-ready? and i'll test them this evening... i finally have my ibook working again so i can play a bit with it :)
[03:52] <Lathiat_> slomo: cool
[03:55] <slomo> Lathiat_: yes... i'm really curious how well it already works :) are the packages revu-ready or is something missing?
[03:56] <Lathiat_> their ready but im dodging revu
[03:56] <slomo> Lathiat_: why? well, you probably get my vote... and ajmitch was also interested in this package so revu may be unecessary ;)
[03:57] <Lathiat_> yeh pretty much :)
[03:57] <Lathiat_> i've fixed all the problesm ajmitch had
[03:58] <slomo> Lathiat_: oh... then you most probably have my vote =) when ajmitch hasn't nothing to complain anymore there IS nothing to complain ;)
[03:59] <StrikeForce> Should I upload scorched3d to revu?
[03:59] <bddebian> Heh
[03:59] <StrikeForce> or just the changes file?
[04:00] <siretart> StrikeForce: could you poke fenio for new scorched3d upstream? ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> ogra: Still have a bad connection?
[04:00] <rbelem> hey slomo can you take a look in muse-streamer and darksnow? ;-)
[04:01] <ogra> yup, and now even the isdn drops constantly...
[04:01] <slomo> rbelem: yes, later maybe... but not now ;)
[04:01] <bddebian> ISDN??  Oh man
[04:01] <ogra> its my fallback...
[04:02] <Lathiat_> haha
[04:02] <Lathiat_> poor ogra
[04:02] <Lathiat_> bat your ISP about the head
[04:02] <ogra> but i have to finish some packages before mdz wakes up and everything gets closed for preview freeze...
[04:02] <ogra> currently updating my pbuilder, which takes 4h
[04:02] <bddebian> Yikes
[04:02] <rbelem> ok ;-) thx slomo
[04:03] <ogra> Lathiat_, my isp is the only one around, i live in the middle of nowhere... they dont even care about me
[04:03] <Lathiat_> ogra: ouch
[04:03] <ogra> yup
[04:03] <bddebian> ogra: Just get a T-1 pulled to your house ;-)
[04:03] <Lathiat_> isnt your telco required to service in-the-middle-of-nowhere people?
[04:03] <Lathiat_> or is that just an australian thing?
[04:04] <ogra> bddebian, no T1 here
[04:04] <ogra> Lathiat_, not by law
[04:04] <bddebian> T-3?
[04:04] <StrikeForce> siretart: I've just emailed him
[04:04] <bddebian> :-)
[04:04] <Lathiat_> ogra: heh, that sucks
[04:04] <Lathiat_> its required here
[04:04] <Lathiat_> they keep arguign about it
[04:04] <Lathiat_> cus the private parts hate it
[04:04] <Lathiat_> but the government enforce it
[04:04] <ogra> Lathiat_, they are required to cover a certain amount ... 90% i think... i'm somewhere between 89 and 91 %
[04:05] <siretart> StrikeForce: btw, there is already a scorched3d_38.1-2ubuntu1 upload, but it is not built yet. are you aware of that?
[04:05] <StrikeForce> siretart: where?
[04:05] <StrikeForce> siretart: just the source part of it
[04:05] <StrikeForce> siretart: because if thats the case well it compiles fine :)
[04:06] <siretart> StrikeForce: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-August/010252.html
[04:06] <siretart> StrikeForce: but not yet built.
[04:06] <StrikeForce> siretart: ok then well ignore me :(
[04:07] <StrikeForce> siretart: is there a mailing list I can check out it seems like everytime I do something someone has already done it :( and I feel I'm really going around in circles :(
[04:07] <siretart> StrikeForce: schorced3d is on my and Lathiat's personal pet list
[04:07] <siretart> StrikeForce: sure: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/
[04:08] <siretart> StrikeForce: I'm basically waiting for fenio to upload a fixed and updated scorched3d package to debian
[04:08] <siretart> because -39 fixed some amd64 interoperability issues
[04:09] <StrikeForce> siretart: ok well I've emailed him and offerred to help him although I'm not sure how much patching he has done
[04:10] <StrikeForce> siretart: not a lot by the looks of it only 1 patch which is the html help dialog patch which is bugger all
[04:12] <siretart> StrikeForce: his main objection was, that scorched3d needed an updated and fixed version of openal
[04:12] <siretart> StrikeForce: therefore I fixed openal for debian, and the debian maintainer accepted my patch. it was eventually uploaded, and should be ready for fenio
[04:13] <siretart> StrikeForce: so it is his turn now..
[04:13] <StrikeForce> oh ok
[04:14] <StrikeForce> when are the programs going to get built because I'm still getting them showing up as unmet deps
[04:15] <siretart> scorched3d needs to be kicked a bit, because it got caught in wait-dep
[04:15] <siretart> err. dep-wait
[04:16] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[04:19] <siretart> just go on with another package, I'm going to handle scorched3d. thanks for the email to fenio, I'm waiting for him, and he already promised me to have that package uploaded soon
[04:28] <StrikeForce> ok then
[04:40] <bddebian> Grr
[04:40] <bddebian> Hello ivoks
[04:40] <ivoks> hi
[04:44] <pef> is foo-0.6.4-beta a correct version ?
[04:45] <bddebian> For whom?
[04:46] <bddebian> Where has dholbach been hiding?
[04:47] <pef> bddebian: packaging ;)
[04:48] <bddebian> pef: Packaged from Debian or new?  I assume not Debian
[04:49] <pef> bddebian: updating a program present into Debian
[04:49] <pef> a new upstream version is available
[04:49] <bddebian> pef: You are updating a current Debian package from upstream sources?
[04:50] <pef> bddebian: yes
[04:50] <bddebian> pef: What is the current Debian version?
[04:50] <pef> bddebian: current Debian release: 0.6, upstream version: 0.6.4-beta
[04:50] <pef> I don't like the "beta"
[04:50] <bddebian> Is there a "stable" upstream version?
[04:52] <pef> bddebian: it's the only new version available
[04:52] <pef> bddebian: http://sourceforge.net/projects/knights/
[04:54] <bddebian> Man I dunno. I suppose you should keep the upstream version and append ubuntu1 but man that looks ugly :-)
[04:54] <ivoks> -0ubuntu1
[04:54] <bddebian> Oh, aye
[04:57] <pef> ok, thanks
[04:59] <ogra> bddebian, we arent...
[05:00] <ogra> pef, i guess you are aware that we have a policy for fixing first... i.e. no new upstream version before the transitions are done and no new upstream version if it doesnt fix serious bugs or ftbfs
[05:00] <ogra> pef, does this new upstream version match any of the latter ?
[05:01] <pef> ogra: none of them
[05:01] <bddebian> ogra: Well then maybe YOU will answer my question about depends and/or build-depends missing from the archive
[05:01] <bddebian> :-)
[05:01] <ogra> bddebian, ask
[05:01] <bddebian> I have, several times, both in here and in -devel :-)
[05:02] <bddebian> For example, yaprimaxgui depends pxscan which is not in the archive (multiverse)
[05:02] <bddebian> libdebtags1 is another example
[05:02] <ogra> depends or build depends ?
[05:02] <bddebian> pxscan depends
[05:02] <bddebian> libdebtags1 is a build-dep
[05:03] <ivoks> i need sponsor
[05:03] <ogra> if its build depends, yaprimaxgui would have to be in multiverse too
[05:03] <ogra> depends is ok
[05:03] <ivoks> i'll do GLU transition... who will upload changes for me?
[05:04] <ivoks> no volounters :)
[05:04] <pef> ogra: you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreviewFreeze ?
[05:04] <ogra> pef, i mean our decision on the last MOTU meeting and the UVF 6 weeks ago
[05:05] <ivoks> no adding packages :)
[05:05] <bddebian> ogra: I'm not sure what you mean.  You mean yaprimaxgui should get moved to multiverse because it depends on pxscan?
[05:05] <bddebian> ivoks: I would but I can't upload :-)
[05:06] <ogra> ivoks, with the above exceptions... (or enough people moaning that its necessary...)
[05:06] <pef> ogra: oh sorry, will read them now
[05:06] <ivoks> ogra: right
[05:07] <ogra> pef, the thing is that we decided not to waste manpower for other stuff than fixing the archive now... universe isnt in a releasable state and we only have 4 weeks left
[05:08] <pef> ogra: ok, so what can I do for MOTU ? things listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo ?
[05:08] <bddebian> ogra: Here is a good example of my problem: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12352
[05:08] <bddebian> pef: UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:08] <ogra> pef, everything with Transition in its name has highest priority
[05:08] <bddebian> pef: Or transitions
[05:08] <ogra> or unmet deps indeed :)
[05:09] <slomo> or other really broken stuff like mplayer/ffmpeg ;)
[05:09] <bddebian> slomo: Oh hush up ;-P
[05:09] <sivang> slomo: I thought your patch was fixin some of the problem last night,no?
[05:09] <pef> ok, sorry for the disturbance, I will be more carefull about motu priority
[05:10] <slomo> bddebian: i'm waiting for elmo to move some stuff to multiverse and then i'll go on with fixing the stuff
[05:10] <slomo> sivang: what patch?
[05:11] <slomo> sivang: it builds now again and works everywhere... but ac3 decoding is broken
[05:11] <sivang> slomo: I see
[05:18] <bddebian> OK apparently I'm blacklisted :-)
[05:26] <bddebian> OK, caudium is jacked up
[05:31] <Tm_T> hello hello
[05:31] <bddebian> Hello Tm_T
[05:31] <Tm_T> is there any Kopete package maintainers?
[05:32] <Tm_T> I migt be interested about Kopete and other KDE-related packages
[05:33] <ivoks> kopete is main
[05:33] <ivoks> join #kubuntu
[05:33] <Tm_T> yes, but it's always "stable"
[05:34] <ivoks> Tm_T: #ubuntu-motu is only for universe/multiverse packages
[05:34] <Tm_T> and if it's okay, when they(/we) add something nice/fix...
[05:34] <ivoks> #ubuntu-devel is for main
[05:34] <Tm_T> hum
[05:34] <Tm_T> ok
[05:34] <ivoks> and KDE packages have another channel, #kubuntu
[05:35] <ivoks> probably and kubuntu-devel
[05:35] <Tm_T> yup, I know
[05:35] <Tm_T> I'm sort of seeking my way to help ;)
[05:35] <Tm_T> thanks
[05:35] <ivoks> you can help in many ways
[05:36] <Tm_T> yup
[05:36] <ivoks> bug reporting, translating, etc...
[05:36] <pef> question about MOTUGLUTransition : if a package has only xlibmesa-gl-dev instead of xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, should I put libgl1-mesa-dev or libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev  ?
[05:36] <Tm_T> bugs <3
[05:36] <Tm_T> ;-P
[05:36] <ivoks> pef: put both
[05:36] <Tm_T> bddebian: =)
[05:37] <ivoks> pef: policy could change in future, so it's better to have them both
[05:37] <Tm_T> I'm reading trough ToDo page(s) now
[05:38] <ivoks> bddebian: do you know python?
[05:38] <bddebian> ivoks: A little.  I'll learn :-)
[05:38] <bddebian> Can someone look at this and upload?: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11614
[05:38] <ivoks> bddebian: i tought, maybe you would like to help me with one project...
[05:38] <bddebian> ivoks: I'll help if I can.
[05:39] <pef> ivoks: but why libgl-dev, if it doesn't exists ? libgl1-xorg-dev exists.
[05:39] <ivoks> bddebian: take pygtk reference guide and some tutorials and help me develope one app
[05:39] <bddebian> gtk.. Eeks :-)
[05:40] <ivoks> pef: it could exsist in future
[05:40] <ivoks> pef: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/008771.html
[05:40] <ivoks> As of -35, libglu-xorg-dev | libglu-dev is the recommended way to do
[05:40] <ivoks> things.  This will be portable across Debian and Ubuntu.
[05:41] <pef> ivoks: ok, I understand, thanks !
[05:44] <bddebian> ivoks: I have an extremely long meeting in about 10mins but remind me. :-)
[05:44] <ivoks> bddebian: ?
[05:44] <bddebian> ivoks: About your project :-)
[05:44] <ivoks> ah, ok
[05:45] <ivoks> anyone else interested in developing pygtk app?
[05:47] <Tm_T> ok, I'll be back ->
[05:47] <slomo> ivoks: what kind of app?
[05:47] <ivoks> slomo: backup frontend
[05:48] <ivoks> gui
[05:48] <ivoks> :)
[05:48] <ivoks> slomo: i did something till now...
[05:48] <ivoks> slomo: i just need someone to kick me and work with me... :)
[05:49] <bddebian> OK meeting time, later gang :-(
[05:51] <ivoks> slomo: interested?
[05:53] <ivoks> slomo: interested?
[05:54] <ivoks> slomo: if you don't know it, python is easy to understand and pygtk is simple...
[05:54] <pef> ivoks: when I have fixed a package for GLUTransition, should I link the debdiff in the wiki page ? I can't see one for the moment
[05:54] <slomo> ivoks: backup stuff is nothing for me ;)
[05:55] <ivoks> slomo: that's like "it's pice of cake" or "i'm not interested"? :)
[05:55] <ivoks> pef: wouldn't know... i would fix some packages allready, but i don't have upload rights...
[05:56] <slomo> ivoks: not interested... when i have nothing else todo and when i'm bored like hell i would do... or when it is something i like ;)
[05:57] <ivoks> slomo: ok
[05:57] <pef> ivoks: ok
[05:59] <pef> siretart: hi, I see you have corrected some packages for GLUTransition, I try to work on some packages, but how can I submit my corrections ? link on the wikipage to a debdiff ?
[06:06] <ivoks> huh!
[06:06] <ivoks> http://joshuawise.com/bounty
[06:08] <siretart> pef: that would be best, I think. you may also poke some motu with time to review your debdiffs
[06:08] <ivoks> that's 30.000$
[06:08] <siretart> lol
[06:09] <pef> siretart: ok, thanks !
[06:10] <ivoks> what's funny... i had that working on my laptop :/
[06:11] <ivoks> hm...
[06:26] <rbelem> hey ogra where can i get a list of packages that already or being packed to ubuntu?
[06:29] <pef> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFileExampleFiles is outdated no ? not all required fileds specified into http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.4.html#recognized-keys are present, should I update this wikipage ?
[06:29] <pef> s/are/are not/
[06:32] <Mitario> heya eya again
[06:33] <Mitario> slomo, contacted mako yet? :)
[06:36] <Mitario> is \sh on vacation btw?
[06:40] <slomo> Mitario: yes... juniper training afaik
[06:41] <slomo> Mitario: and i pinged mako today ;) please ping him too :P
[06:41] <Mitario> yeah I did this afternoon :p
[06:41] <slomo> did he answer?
[06:41] <Mitario> nope
[06:42] <slomo> grmpf
[06:43] <slomo> i hate this :P as if it was too much work to check a signed CoC in 3 months (for ivoks), 1 month (for me) and 2 weeks (for you)
[06:45] <Mitario> true, but if you have big things on your mind, you usually don't think of such small things
[06:45] <Mitario> I have that problem at my office sometimes to
[06:46] <Mitario> I'm designing a big project, and i know I have some e-mails to reply to, but I just don't come to them
[06:46] <Mitario> 3 months is a bit long though ;)
[06:46] <Mitario> but that was maybe due to the miscommunication/interpretation of the key procedure
[06:47] <slomo> 1 month is a bit long too imho ;)
[06:47] <Mitario> true true
[06:49] <Mitario> woohoo, my GNOME nl bussinesscards are in :)
[06:49] <slomo> do you have some fotos?
[06:51] <Mitario> uuh sec :)
[07:00] <slomo> Mitario: still alive? or bluescreen on your phone? ;)
[07:00] <Mitario> yeah installing bluetooth stuff :)
[07:11] <Mitario> slomo, http://www.antoniuscollege.nl/~msikkes/bussiness
[07:13] <slomo> Mitario: forbidden
[07:18] <slomo> what version is higher: 1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu3 ot
[07:18] <slomo> or 1.0-pre7try2-0buntu1?
[07:18] <mbreit> lol... who uses such version numbers??
[07:19] <slomo> the mplayer guys :P we're currently at -pre7try2
[07:19] <slomo> and this fixes something importan :P
[07:19] <mbreit> ;)
[07:21] <ogra> slomo, dpkg --compare-versions <v1> {gt,lt,eq} <v2> && echo true
[07:21] <slomo> ogra: thanks :)
[07:30] <Mitario> slomo, und jetzt?
[07:30] <slomo> Mitario: funktioniert... schaut gut aus :) but wrong language :P
[07:31] <ogra> lol
[07:31] <Mitario> pff ;)
[07:31] <Mitario> fear your left-neighbours :)
[07:32] <ogra> Mitario, fear your right one, i have only 80km to the border ...
[07:32] <ogra> ;)
[07:32] <Mitario> ogra, luckily I'm near the sea ;-)
[07:32] <ogra> heh
[07:33] <Mitario> ogra, which would be a relative small distance for you though :)
[07:33] <ogra> i'm too southern.... its still a long travel :)
[07:43] <Riddell> what's the upload address for REVU?  old one refuses me
[07:44] <Mitario> Riddell, revu.tauware.de
[07:44] <Riddell> Uploading via ftp icecc_0.6-20050413-1ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of icecc_0.6-20050413-1ubuntu1.dsc
[07:48] <Treenaks> 3
[08:06] <rbelem> hey Mitario is there someone working in cinelerra? that is a universe candidate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[08:06] <Mitario> I wouldn't know sorry :)
[08:07] <Mitario> but we can't add new packages in universe yet
[08:07] <mbreit> Mitario: well, we can? (at least i think so..)
[08:07] <slomo> s/yet/anymore/
[08:07] <ryanthiessen> universe is frozen?
[08:08] <Mitario> slomo, well in october we can :)
[08:08] <Mitario> well after thatis
[08:08] <slomo> ryanthiessen: not really... when you find enough people who just _want_ this package and some motu to advocate... ;)
[08:08] <ryanthiessen> ah okay good
[08:08] <rbelem> Mitario: ok, but i see that no one is working on it, can i add my name in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates how someone that is working in this package?
[08:08] <slomo> ryanthiessen: but NEW packages are last priority now
[08:09] <Mitario> rbelem, I guess that's fine :)
[08:09] <rbelem> Mitario: cool ;-)
[08:09] <mbreit> rbelem: you can do that, but it would be better to focus on bugfixing/transitions
[08:09] <slomo> mbreit: i finally fixed ac3 playback with mplayer :)
[08:10] <mbreit> slomo: yeah...
[08:10] <rbelem> mbreit: thats true ;-) where can i find a list of packages that is "work in need"?
[08:10] <mbreit> rbelem: bugs: launchpad.net/malone
[08:11] <mbreit> rbelem: unmet deps: wiki->UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:11] <mbreit> rbelem: transitions: somewhere else in the wiki...
[08:11] <rbelem> heheheh
[08:11] <slomo> rbelem: for transitions see the topic
[08:12] <rbelem> pretty cool ;-) i'll work in these packages now
[08:13] <rbelem> thx Mitario mbreit slomo ;-)
[08:13] <slomo> rbelem: but first try if this is really relevant anymore ;) the wiki is often outdated
[08:13] <Mitario> np )
[08:13] <mbreit> rbelem: np, thanks for working on ubuntu ;)
[08:13] <rbelem> ;-)
[09:22] <Mitario> slomo, any word from elmo yet? :)
[09:23] <slomo> Mitario: we first need mako ;)
[09:23] <Mitario> yeah that too :p
[10:19] <encolpe> Hi hub
[10:20] <encolpe> Have you seen herve tonight ?
[11:36] <jbailey> What's the best way to get something sync'd from Debian?
[11:36] <jbailey> There are no Ubuntu-specific changes, so I'm  surprised it hasn't come already.
[11:37] <lifeless> tell elmo last I heard
[11:38] <jbailey> 'kay.  Is email best for that?
[11:39] <lifeless> I've seen folk ask him on u-d
[11:39] <lifeless> uhm #u-d
[11:39] <lifeless> so, dunno ;0. Not being distro team ...
[11:40] <jbailey> *lol*
[11:40] <mbreit> jbailey: tell him on #ubuntu-devel, if he does not get that, send him a mail
[11:40] <jbailey> I know that we ask there for stuff in main, wasn't sure if universe was handled differently (Just thinking because of the volume)
[11:40] <jbailey> mbreit: Thanks.