[12:00] <Milk_> Natx, ytes
[12:00] <Milk_> yes even
[12:00] <belal122> well i'd like to help you guys but i never tried file sharing with xp systems on my network.  this (my) comp. is away from the family computers
[12:00] <DF2> i'm trying to config pppoeconf and it fails but afterwards i see in the terminal... modeconf: command not found.. any ideas ?????????????????
[12:00] <[t0rc] > NoUse: im not using apt get or synaptic or whatever.
[12:00] <[t0rc] > NoUse: im downloading manually.
[12:00] <belal122> u might wanna try some samba channels for help though
[12:00] <Natx> Milk_: have you created a unix account and a smbpasswd execution related to it?
[12:00] <NoUse> [t0rc]  why?
[12:01] <[t0rc] > NoUse: uhg. because the linux pc isn't on the net yet.
[12:01] <Milk_> Natx, yes
[12:01] <Concord_Dawn> ok
[12:01] <bytefoo> is there a way i can refresh my network interfaces? it seems that if i remove the cat5 cable, and then place it back in it won't work, and that I have to reboot to get an ip address assigned to it
[12:01] <Natx> Milk_: then your unix account should have the correct permissions to access this share, haven't?
[12:01] <DF2> please someone
[12:01] <Milk_> yep
[12:01] <Concord_Dawn> LasseL, whenever I put that line in my fstab, Ubuntu doesn't mount my iPod
[12:01] <DF2> anyone?
[12:01] <[t0rc] > NoUse: okay, i found it.
[12:01] <Milk_> Natx, yes
[12:01] <NoUse> [t0rc]  build-essentail is a dummy package that pulls down about a dozen other packages
[12:01] <[t0rc] > awww
[12:02] <Natx> Milk_: ok, then, and do you set security = user in global smb.conf?
[12:02] <Milk_> Natx, Yes
[12:03] <moZer> hi, i'm trying to build the tomcat apr connector on ubuntu, but it seems that apr_rules.mk is missing...almost all other distributions package it with apache-dev, in /usr/share/apache2/build, but it's not present in ubuntu
[12:03] <Natx> Milk_: It looks like ubuntu (samba) is configured ok, even when you're using workgroups, nor domains. I don't know if to use domain, means to change something
[12:04] <bytefoo> is there a way to see the version of a package via apt-get, or must i navigate to packages.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <Milk_> Natx, no domains.. don't really want to have to setup a DC
[12:04] <[t0rc] > NoUse: well that could complicate things
[12:04] <Natx> Milk_: Even, try to map the share directly in XP, but I don't know which would be the trouble
[12:04] <NoUse> [t0rc]  yeah, look into apt-zip, maybe that can help
[12:04] <CookedGryphon> how do i make ubuntu play sounds from more than one thing at once?
[12:04] <Milk_> Natx, hrm...
[12:04] <Natx> Milk_: When mapping, mark to use another user, and enter your credentials in ubuntu
[12:05] <[t0rc] > NoUse: alright, thnx.
[12:05] <reiki> you don't need to set up a DC in samba to see the share from an XP machine
[12:05] <NoUse> [t0rc]  build-essential and its deps might be on the install CD
[12:05] <Natx> Milk_: hrm?
[12:05] <dmk> Concord_Dawn, try http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:06] <dmk> CookedGryphon sorry
[12:06] <Milk_> Natx, its me thinking
[12:06] <Natx> ok
[12:06] <Concord_Dawn> oh
[12:06] <Concord_Dawn> :-P
[12:06] <dmk> Concord_Dawn, sorry :-)
[12:06] <CookedGryphon> okay
[12:07] <Concord_Dawn> np
[12:07] <DewLinux> oh lovely
[12:07] <Concord_Dawn> mplayer is win.
[12:07] <DewLinux> apparently if you enable DRI on this machine, ubuntu will lock up
[12:07] <IcemanV9> what?! mplayer does not support CC??
[12:07] <Concord_Dawn> yes it does.
[12:07] <Concord_Dawn> needs a lib though
[12:07] <Concord_Dawn> afaik
[12:07] <reiki> is there a linux program that'll convert m4p to mp3? :)
[12:08] <IcemanV9> which lib?
[12:08] <DewLinux> umm
[12:08] <DewLinux> you shouldn't have to convert
[12:08] <DewLinux> not for playback
[12:08] <_lui_> question: why amarok doesn't detect my sound system engine?
[12:08] <budluva> how do i find my gtk+ version? im trying to run winetools and its giving me an error /usr/bin/Xdialog: Errror initializing the GUI...Do you run under X11 with GTK+ v1.2.0+ installed?
[12:08] <Concord_Dawn> budluva, look in Synaptic at your gtk+ package version
[12:09] <Natx> would anyone knows why iwlist is telling Input/output error? I dont' see new messages in messages, but ifconfig and iwconfig looks fine (although it remains unassociated)
[12:10] <Oewyn> Can anyone help me with problems getting xsupplicant to work, it seems to authenticate, but can't lease DHCP informatino
[12:10] <belal122> gimp is awesome...but i hate it for its very weird UI design
[12:11] <Natx> bye all
[12:11] <belal122> i can't stand the fact that I can see my desktop and other programs.
[12:11] <Oewyn> belal122:there's always the gimp-shop hack
[12:11] <belal122> yeah but it doesnt get rid of that problem
[12:11] <Snadder> hi... does ubuntu default comes with an apt archive on the internet?..
[12:11] <nevinm> belal122: use a different virtual desktop
[12:11] <BlankB> I always run gimp on its on desktop.
[12:11] <BlankB> own desktop that is.
[12:11] <omp342> i don't like gimp :/
[12:11] <nevinm> Snadder: yeah
[12:11] <omp342> PHOTOSHOP :)
[12:11] <nevinm> omp342: time for a flame war, methinks
[12:11] <_lui_> anyone can help me? why amarok doesn't detect my sound system engine?
[12:12] <belal122> yeah i guess nevin, i do that normally but i wish it didnt have those floating windows.
[12:12] <omp342> nevinm: :P
[12:12] <jo_e> _lui_, you need amarok-gstreamer package
[12:12] <BodaicousB> hey guys, my sound is Really funky, how do i reset the alsa server?
[12:13] <_lui_> jo_e, ok thanks
[12:13] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[12:13] <BodaicousB> Seveas, thanks again =P
[12:13] <Blissex> BodaicousB: there is no such thing as an ALSA server.
[12:14] <belal122> does anyone know if gaim will ever support skinning?
[12:14] <BodaicousB> Blissex, i know, i knew someone would call me on that right when i said it =P
[12:14] <Oewyn> so anyone have any ideas as to getting xsupplicant to work correctly?
[12:14] <BlankB> belal122: i used to hate the layout until i set up dual monitors and have all the tools on monitor 2.
[12:14] <syn-ack> belal122: prollu not
[12:14] <Blissex> BodaicousB: Seveas: '/etc/init.d/alsa restart' only saves/restores the ALSA config.
[12:14] <Seveas> true
[12:14] <arnehansen> erh, i just installed ubuntu, but i was never asked to set a rootpass while installing
[12:14] <Seveas> pkill esd && esd &
[12:15] <arnehansen> did i just miss something.. ?
[12:15] <Seveas> that will solve the sound server bit
[12:15] <Oewyn> !root
[12:15] <ubotu> I heard root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:15] <Seveas> !root
[12:15] <belal122> arne, ubuntu doesnt use root
[12:15] <Seveas> dang, too slow :)
[12:15] <belal122> they use SUDO
[12:15] <Oewyn> i beat you
[12:15] <arnehansen> oh all right
[12:15] <[t0rc] > NoUse: alright, i'll check. thnx
[12:15] <BodaicousB> ok, i reset also, i think i pinpointed the problem, when i hold my mouse over an mp3 icon, it begins to play?!?! how do i stop that?
[12:15] <arnehansen> thakns, i'll read up on that
[12:15] <arnehansen> *thanks
[12:15] <Seveas> BodaicousB, it's funny when that happens isn't it ;)
[12:15] <Blissex> BodaicousB: many appalling horrors of ALSA are documented and fixed here: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
[12:16] <BodaicousB> Seveas, ive never had that before
[12:16] <belal122> welcome
[12:16] <Oewyn> Blissex: any clues as to where to find the solutions to the appalling horrors of xsupplicant
[12:16] <Seveas> BodaicousB, in nautilus go to edit -> preferences
[12:16] <Blissex> Oewyn: you should not ask specific people for help.
[12:16] <Seveas> then the 4th tab ("preview")
[12:16] <Seveas> you can disable it there
[12:16] <DF2> i'm trying to config pppoeconf and it fails but afterwards i see in the terminal... modeconf: command not found.. any ideas ?????????????????
[12:17] <d2dchat> I have two hard drives, one under ubuntu and one under windows
[12:17] <Blissex> Oewyn: however there is a nice article on making 'xsupplicant' work in the current (Sep. 2005) issues of Linux Journal.
[12:17] <d2dchat> how do i read files from the windows machine onto the linux machine?
[12:17] <d2dchat> and can i read files from my windows machine without moving them onto my linux machine?
[12:17] <Seveas> d2dchat, if these files are shared: places -> connect tot server
[12:17] <Seveas> then you can
[12:17] <NoUse> DF2 have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[12:17] <d2dchat> like say, play songs from my windows machine without putting them on my linux HD?
[12:18] <d2dchat> Seveas, so I have to make the files shared ?
[12:18] <BodaicousB> Seveas, worked like a charm, i wonder how that setting ended up active???
[12:18] <BodaicousB> it wasnt like that yesterday.... =/
[12:18] <DF2> yeah i read it but it didnt help
[12:19] <belal122> d2d: to read files from win hd, u'd have to mount the win HD
[12:19] <vbgunz> hello everyone... I have a real frustrating problem... my cdrom doesn't wish to eject... umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:19] <vbgunz> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:19] <vbgunz> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdc' failed
[12:19] <Milk_> Natx, If your still around, I found a problem, and now have a different problem
[12:19] <d2dchat> belal122, what is the jrward network? it was already on my system?
[12:19] <vbgunz> this happened before but enough is enough... it really is frustrating
[12:19] <Milk_> I unisntalled firestarter and now its asking for auth, but not taking it.. it just keeps asking
[12:20] <vbgunz> can anyone please be kind enough to help me out
[12:20] <d2dchat> belal122, how do i mount the windows hd while running linux at the same time?
[12:21] <d2dchat> belal122, and if i mount it under linux will it effect windows when i log into it?
[12:21] <BlankB> vbgunz: sudo umount /dev/hdc
[12:21] <budluva> anyone here know if its possible to use gtk2 with wine or do i have to use gtk 1.2?
[12:21] <vbgunz> check the ubuntu starter guide for mounting windows within linux
[12:21] <vbgunz> thanks BlankB
[12:21] <vbgunz> will try
[12:21] <ShdwShinobi> Can someone help me with changing my screen's display size? In the options menu, it doesn't display a size higher then 640x480. I don't remember what to edit in the xorg.conf though :(
[12:21] <d2dchat> vbgunz, i dont know where that si
[12:22] <dducko> I have Ubuntu 5.04,  what Kernel am I useing, or How can I check?
[12:22] <BlankB> vbgunz: if that dont work let me know.
[12:22] <vbgunz> quick google for Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide will point you in the right direction
[12:22] <geneo93> dducko:  uname -r
[12:22] <jo_e> does anyone know a way to clear the id3 tags of every mp3 file in a directory?
[12:22] <dducko> thanks you
[12:23] <vbgunz> Blank B "device is busy"
[12:23] <basicerly> hi i have a rtl8139 1gb network card that seems to be having irq problems?
[12:23] <basicerly> does anyone have a lanpart nf2 ultra mobo?
[12:24] <_lui_> Seveas, I have this problem http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1780 can you help me?
[12:24] <BlankB> vbgunz: how aobut: umount -f /dev/hdc
[12:24] <basicerly> or can anyone help
[12:24] <d2dchat> vbgunz, is there anyway to get the guide with apt-get?
[12:24] <fluvvell> basicerly: is it a mobo based nic
[12:24] <vbgunz> d2dchat I don't believe Ubuntu will let you write to your Windows drive.... I believe it will mount read only
[12:24] <vbgunz> yes
[12:24] <vbgunz> one sec
[12:24] <elvirolo> ok, i've been searching the forum for hours, and i get no suitable answer to my own post ... still no one knows about why doesn't lsusb have any output ?
[12:24] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone into routers and stuff? :)
[12:24] <d2dchat> vbgunz, actually, i dont need to download the unofficial guide right? I can just read it from this site?
[12:24] <vbgunz> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:24] <fluvvell> basicerly: or is it plugged into one of the pci slots?
[12:25] <NoUse> _lui_ I would delete the file its complaining about and redownload it
[12:25] <vbgunz> ok Blank, will try one sec
[12:25] <vbgunz> thanks!
[12:25] <d2dchat> vbgunz, all i really want to do with the files on windows is play them in xmms
[12:25] <elvirolo> is there a kernel module i have to load or something ?
[12:25] <belal122> xmms?  why do people still use that?  i dont understand.
[12:26] <belal122> isn't bmp a much better fork of it?
[12:26] <vbgunz> I believe you can do that though I haven't tried... if you mount windows in read only you should be able to play media I believe
[12:26] <basicerly> fluvvell: mobo based
[12:26] <belal122> it supports gtk2.  so when u right click in bmp
[12:26] <vbgunz> sorry Blank, I have no idea what the problem is
[12:26] <vbgunz> umount2: Device or resource busy
[12:26] <vbgunz> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:26] <vbgunz> umount2: Device or resource busy
[12:26] <vbgunz> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:26] <d2dchat> belal122, ive never used bmp.. so i dont know
[12:26] <basicerly> fluvvell: on the lanparty nf2 ultra mobo
[12:26] <belal122> u dont get that NASTY looking gtk1 theme
[12:26] <geneo93> xmms is gtk1 app bmp is gtk2 app
[12:26] <BlankB> vbgunz: lsof | grep "hdc"
[12:27] <BlankB> and dont past here. If you want you can paste to: http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[12:27] <belal122> i like rhythm box.  i like most of the default ubuntu apps.  i just wish u could skin them, god damnit
[12:27] <vbgunz> nothing happened
[12:27] <hawking> how can i install tcl?
[12:27] <belal122> gaim, rhythm box, totem..
[12:27] <fluvvell> basicerly: pity, cos I've had success on plugged in ones by moving them a few slots away from the agp slot.  Not familiar withthe lanparty mobo tho.
[12:27] <hawking> there is no package with the name tcl :/
[12:27] <_lui_> NoUse, I'll try
[12:27] <vbgunz> I mean it came right back to the prompt
[12:27] <basicerly> fluvvell: there is dual lan nf2 chipset comes with a lan and there is a realtek chip on the board to
[12:27] <Seveas> hawking, tcl8.4
[12:27] <basicerly> fluvvell: the realteks the one not working
[12:27] <hawking> thx seveas
[12:28] <fluvvell> basicerly: does that mean two nics onboard?
[12:28] <vbgunz> oh sorry, about pasting
[12:28] <BlankB> vbgunz: how about: umount -l /dev/hdc
[12:28] <vbgunz> what was lsof | grep "hdc" supposed to do?
[12:28] <jrattner1>  when i type lspci -v my sound card is listed with a weird property that saysCapabilities: <available only to root> how do i change it to all users?
[12:28] <BlankB> thats lower case L
[12:28] <vbgunz> back to prompt... should I try to ejct?
[12:28] <BlankB> vbgunz: the lsof will show you if something is holding a file prompt
[12:29] <BlankB> oops...a file open.
[12:29] <basicerly> fluvvell: yes and the one the is working is part of the nforce chipset
[12:29] <BlankB> try eject now.
[12:29] <vbgunz> oh... it came right back to prompt... no verbose output of any kind
[12:29] <vbgunz> ok
[12:29] <fluvvell> basicerly: have you tried    modprobe 8139too ?
[12:29] <vbgunz> oh snap
[12:29] <vbgunz> hold up
[12:29] <basicerly> fluvvell: welll....
[12:29] <vbgunz> the cdrom disappeared from the desktop
[12:30] <vbgunz> will try to eject from cmd
[12:30] <BlankB> -l     Lazy  unmount
[12:30] <vbgunz> I love you!
[12:30] <vbgunz> :)
[12:30] <basicerly> fluvvell: i think its allready working cause the network cards listed
[12:30] <BlankB> 8)
[12:30] <vbgunz> hey, let me write this down
[12:30] <basicerly> fluvvell: or dose that not mean anything
[12:30] <vbgunz> I think the last choice you offered me worked
[12:31] <vbgunz> I have one question
[12:31] <fluvvell> <basicerly: cos irq's don't tend to conflict in linux
[12:31] <vbgunz> does the terminal record what I do?
[12:31] <d2dchat> dude
[12:31] <vbgunz> I mean since I am new I sometimes need to backtrack what I did
[12:31] <d2dchat> this is tight
[12:31] <geneo93> vbgunz:  yes
[12:31] <d2dchat> i have access to my windows drive now
[12:31] <basicerly> fluvvell: i think its allready working cause the network cards listed
[12:31] <d2dchat> :)
[12:31] <basicerly> fluvvell: or dose that not mean anything
[12:31] <fluvvell> basicerly: so you dont have an eth0 and an eth1 available?
[12:31] <basicerly> yes
[12:31] <fluvvell> oh you do?
[12:32] <basicerly> I mean
[12:32] <BlankB> vbgunz: if you are using bash its here: ~/.bash_history
[12:32] <geneo93> vbgunz:  the uparrow will get it back
[12:32] <vbgunz> yead d2dchat, I have both my windows mounted... it really is cool
[12:32] <d2dchat> it rly is:)
[12:32] <basicerly> fluvvell: ubuntu atemps to get eth1 and eht0 going
[12:32] <vbgunz> even after I close the terminal I do have a hostory?>
[12:32] <PDani> hi
[12:32] <geneo93> yes
[12:32] <vbgunz> history*
[12:32] <vbgunz> awesome
[12:32] <d2dchat> vbgunz, I love linux though, and i have random ass problems with windows even though i maintain it so well:-/
[12:32] <PDani> where or how can i download hoary backports?
[12:32] <fluvvell> basicerly: do they both have a dhcp server available to them?
[12:32] <PDani> i mean to hoary
[12:32] <vbgunz> check the ubuntu start guide
[12:32] <jrattner1>  when i type lspci -v my sound card is listed with a weird property that saysCapabilities: <available only to root> how do i change it to all users?
[12:32] <d2dchat> vbgunz, like I can visit my website but i cant login to control panel, ftp and email
[12:33] <Bubblefly> Is there a good NES emulator with a gui? :3
[12:33] <d2dchat> vbgunz, but i can login to any other website's control panel, email and ftp
[12:33] <d2dchat> vbgunz, its really weird
[12:33] <Bad_Magic> anyone around get ndiswrapper to work with an inspiron 9100? I keep getting invalid driver errors
[12:33] <vbgunz> not sure
[12:33] <mumbles> argh
[12:33] <vbgunz> one sec
[12:33] <mumbles> im having user problems
[12:33] <vbgunz> need to check my history
[12:33] <fluvvell> basicerly: i.e. are they plugged into a router or another linux box running dhcpd? (or....?)
[12:33] <mumbles> if i add a user i cant ssh or ftp into the machene
[12:34] <dalamar> Bubblefly, zsnes or snes9x with a frontend installed
[12:34] <basicerly> fluvvell: i've had  ifconfig show eth0 and eth1 up but its all rubish cause my network dies bye then
[12:34] <fluvvell> basicerly: they can be up, but not have an ip address.
[12:34] <vbgunz> forgive my ignorance... How do I access ~/.bash_history
[12:34] <Bubblefly> dalamar: I thought those were just SNES emulators? :3
[12:34] <BlankB> cat ~/.bash_history
[12:34] <fluvvell> basicerly: then they wont work
[12:34] <basicerly> fluvvell: and no amout of ifup ifdown or /etc/init.d/netwroking restart can start it again
[12:35] <basicerly> fluvvell: I have to restart the computer
[12:35] <d2dchat> vbgunz, YES
[12:35] <dalamar> Bubblefly, ah my fault
[12:35] <d2dchat> vbgunz, Im playing music from my Windows HD!
[12:35] <d2dchat> WOOHOO
[12:35] <d2dchat> lol
[12:35] <[DF2] > i have a eth0 but not an eth1 available
[12:35] <fluvvell> basicerly: my question is still:  Do they get an ip address, and if so where from?
[12:35] <[DF2] > how can i make a eth1 for my usb adsl modem ?
[12:35] <vbgunz> very cool ;)
[12:35] <basicerly> fluvvell: sorry
[12:36] <basicerly> fluvvell: I have a router modem thing that dishes out dhcp fine to eth0
[12:36] <vbgunz> soon I hope to figure out how to write to the windows drive... I'll look into the NTFS driver sometime later though... am really trying to learn linux
[12:36] <basicerly> fluvvell: and ive tryed swaping the cable to eth1
[12:36] <vbgunz> BlankB, you're the man, thank you so much... is my history kept somewhere in the file browser? I mean is it in a directory?
[12:37] <basicerly> fluvvell: but eth1 don't get dhcp
[12:37] <basicerly> fluvvell: so somethings screwed
[12:37] <fluvvell> basicerly: They BOTH need to be plugged in at startup
[12:37] <fluvvell> basicerly: or you will need to use the system-> networking tool
[12:37] <basicerly> fluvvell: if i just plug in eth1 at start up that should work for eth1 right?
[12:38] <fluvvell> basicerly: then when you go in to activate them, select dhcp.  It should come up then
[12:38] <[DF2] > can any of you guys see me typing?
[12:38] <fluvvell> basicerly:  Ok, that would make sense I guess
[12:38] <basicerly> fluvvell: i've try all the bacis i think its something teper
[12:39] <fluvvell> basicerly: so your saying that your router only has one port?
[12:39] <basicerly> fluvvell: how do I list the stuf up in mode prob
[12:39] <fluvvell> basicerly: lsmod ?
[12:39] <BlankB> vbgunz: you just have to tell your file browser to show hidden files... anything that starts with a . like .bash_history is usually not shown.
[12:40] <basicerly> fluvvell: no i just don't have a spare networkcable long enough :P
[12:40] <basicerly> fluvvell: yeah lsmod brb chears
[12:40] <fluvvell> basicerly: 8139's are pretty stable, but the odd one dies ;-)
[12:40] <basicerly> fluvvell: works in xp
[12:40] <Bad_Magic> anyone around get ndiswrapper to work with an inspiron 9100? I keep getting invalid driver errors
[12:40] <fluvvell> basicerly: ok
[12:41] <basicerly> fluvvell: sudo lsmod?
[12:41] <fluvvell> basicerly: yep, also have you tried setting a static ip?
[12:41] <teksimian> so, how can i install this gnoppix live cd onto a harddrive? i checked the site, nothing too informative; other than a proposal for some changes.
[12:42] <basicerly> well no but i don't think that the prob
[12:42] <v1ru5> how can i make Xine read subtitles from .sub files???
[12:42] <basicerly> fluvvell: looking around on the net people talk about irc probs and start ubuntu with NOAPIC
[12:42] <fluvvell> basicerly: its worth a try, good ol' ping is your friend.  You can also watch the flashin led's on the back :-)
[12:42] <basicerly> fluvvell: i mean irq not irc opps
[12:43] <vbgunz> ahh man... BlankB... I closed the terminal because I figured I would get it all back if I did "cat ~/.bash_history" I didn't... I ended up saving this whole conversation because what you said was important as my cdrom drive locks up sometimes and your help fixed it... Anyhow when I did "cat ~/.bash_history" I got back what I think I entered in when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1... But not what I did in the terminal just now...
[12:43] <v1ru5> Can Xine read .sub files for subtitles? HOW?
[12:43] <DewLinux> wow....you asked the same question
[12:44] <v1ru5> well i was getting ignored
[12:44] <basicerly> fluvvell: i mean irq not irc opps
[12:44] <v1ru5> and i wanna watch a movie :D
[12:44] <DewLinux> maybe no body knows
[12:44] <basicerly> lsmod | grep 8139
[12:44] <basicerly> 
[12:44] <fluvvell> basicerly: Well sure, that may be worthwhile once you've tried everything else.  Static ip would be worth a look first in my book.
[12:44] <v1ru5> DewLinux: do you know?
[12:44] <vbgunz> anyhow... is there anyway to record everything I do in any terminal root or not? the reason I need to know is because I feel there is no better way for me to learn the terminal and commands than by reviewing what I did
[12:44] <DewLinux> no
[12:44] <basicerly> fluvvell lsmod | grep 8139 reports nothing ?
[12:44] <DewLinux> i don't screw with subtitles
[12:44] <fluvvell> basicerly: then modprobe it
[12:44] <transgress> okay how do i enable identd in ubuntu?  hadn't really needed it up until this point... but i thought it was like in the inetd.conf
[12:44] <teksimian> anyone for installing gnoppix onto a hd ?
[12:44] <basicerly> fluvvell: how?
[12:44] <BlankB> vbgunz: unless you have more than 1 terminal open and they are both logging to .bash_history it should all be in there.
[12:45] <transgress> why not just install ubuntu teksimian ?
[12:45] <fluvvell> basicerly: modprobe 8139too
[12:45] <crimsun> transgress: sudo aptitude install oidentd
[12:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the command to manualy mount a usb drive?
[12:45] <NoUse> v1ru5 have you searched google?
[12:45] <Seveas> pidentd :)
[12:45] <fluvvell> basicerly: or sudo modprobe 8139too
[12:45] <teksimian> transgress seems like this would be quicker.
[12:45] <transgress> teksimian: how do you figure?
[12:45] <transgress> crimsun: outside program for ident?
[12:45] <vbgunz> ok I'll try again
[12:45] <DewLinux> teksimian, wh are you in a ubuntu room asking about Knoppix?
[12:45] <vbgunz> only had one window opened
[12:45] <DewLinux> that seems a little...wrong
[12:45] <fluvvell> basicerly: dont know why ppl are scared of the root terminal :-)
[12:45] <geneo93> vbgunz:  everything you do in bash will be in bash history and can be recalled at any time
[12:45] <DewLinux> root is fun!
[12:46] <teksimian> DevLinux: gnoppix. not knoppix.
[12:46] <basicerly> fluvvell: hehe
[12:46] <DewLinux> oh
[12:46] <DewLinux> well
[12:46] <DewLinux> gnoppix...knoppix...sounds the same
[12:46] <crimsun> transgress: yes, you have to install a daemon to provide ident for you.
[12:46] <Seveas> gnoppix is based on ubuntu :)
[12:46] <DewLinux> one probaly uses gnome and the other KDE
[12:46] <jfosa> is there a bittorrent client for linux?
[12:46] <crimsun> there are many
[12:46] <DewLinux> jfosa, uhh...duh?
[12:46] <transgress> jfosa: a good few
[12:46] <Seveas> jfosa, several. Valknut is popular
[12:46] <teksimian> transgress.. i might as well go out of my way to install anyother distro/os
[12:46] <basicerly> fluvvell: well if the was know sudo lsmod | grep 8139 does that mean it wasn't set up?
[12:47] <vbgunz> i assume then "terminal" is not bash... only reason is right now it is not showing me what I just did with you... "unmounting"
[12:47] <basicerly> fluvvell: well if the was know sudo lsmod | grep 8139 does that mean it wasn't set up?
[12:47] <transgress> teksimian: well the difference being is that gnoppix is based on ubuntu, but is meant to be used as a livecd
[12:47] <jfosa> Seveas: thanks
[12:47] <vbgunz> one second, wife is calling
[12:47] <fluvvell> basicerly: I'm not quite following, did you try it?
[12:47] <teksimian> transgress; well, if there is a one command kind of script to install it, i would do that. instead of making another cd or some bootdisks to install of the net.
[12:48] <basicerly> fluvvell: if did a modprobe 8139
[12:48] <fluvvell> basicerly: I think I get you, well it might not set up if its not connected (ie networked) to something else
[12:48] <basicerly> and now
[12:48] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, i've installed samba (apt-get install samba) and under the general tab for "networking" there's nothing about windows networking. have i missed something?
[12:48] <basicerly> sudo lsmod | grep 8139
[12:48] <basicerly> works
[12:48] <DewLinux> aaaah
[12:48] <teksimian> transgress: ps: i have 1 floppy, and no cdrom cuz my os is running off of it.
[12:48] <fluvvell> and modprobe?
[12:48] <d2dchat> what program can i use to play avi files?
[12:49] <georgeblunt> hey there
[12:49] <DewLinux> you know what i hate about googling for linux help...a lot of the info you find is half useless
[12:49] <georgeblunt> i have a problem
[12:49] <basicerly> fluvvell: one last question before im really late o work
[12:49] <transgress> DewLinux: do you use google.com/linux ?
[12:49] <fluvvell> basicerly: uh huh?
[12:49] <georgeblunt> i wanna run blender on my amd64 ubuntu.. but it needs the 32bit version of the sdl library
[12:49] <d2dchat> DewLinux, I post a lot about linux on my website and i try to make it as thorough as possible, so when you do indeed search, it helps you out
[12:49] <DewLinux> i didn't know there was a difference
[12:49] <basicerly> fluvvell: cant' i ping with out and eth set up to dhcp or static
[12:49] <DewLinux> i'll try
[12:49] <fluvvell> basicerly: nope
[12:49] <basicerly> fluvvell: providing the a pc at the other end with an ip?
[12:50] <DewLinux> the one thing i want to do i've found enough forum posts to convince me it's not a good idea
[12:50] <elvirolo> there's another prob on my friend's pc ... evry time she adds a msn buddy in gaim, it is blocked by default, and it is impossible to unblock it
[12:50] <DewLinux> right now i'm trying to figure out samba
[12:50] <fluvvell> basicerly: that was a no.
[12:50] <georgeblunt> has anybody got a solution for this?
[12:50] <teksimian> thanks,. i guess ill just go install freebsd.
[12:50] <basicerly> fluvvell: in windows you can ping something if you yourself don't have an ip
[12:50] <fluvvell> basicerly: ping requires an ip address at each end.  Its implicit
[12:50] <fluvvell> basicerly: bollocks.  it self assigns an address
[12:51] <basicerly> fluvvell: lol fair enough
[12:51] <v1ru5> umm
[12:51] <elvirolo> ideas anyone ?
[12:51] <d2dchat> DewLinux, search for "installing rubygem ubuntu" on google and click the 3rd listing (desire2design) my site and see if that guide is helpful
[12:51] <basicerly> fluvvell: ill belvie you
[12:51] <v1ru5> how do i list processes so i can kill one?
[12:51] <basicerly> fluvvell: thanks for the help
[12:51] <basicerly> bye
[12:51] <d2dchat> DewLinux, if it isnt, comment and offer improvement
[12:51] <teksimian> ps -ax?
[12:51] <fluvvell> basicerly: It gets an 168.something based address out of thin air
[12:51] <NoUse> v1ru5 ps aux
[12:51] <ompaul> v1ru5, ps -auwx
[12:51] <d2dchat> DewLinux, ha, or maybe its the 5th listing
[12:51] <fluvvell> basicerly: np, hope you get it working
[12:51] <crimsun> teksimian: it's pretty straightforward to pxe boot the Ubuntu installer
[12:52] <basicerly> fluvvell: :)
[12:52] <fluvvell> basicerly: dont be late for work!
[12:52] <jfosa> is bittornado good?
[12:52] <georgeblunt> is there a possibility to use/install the 32bit version of the sdl library on my amd64 ubuntu system?
[12:52] <DewLinux> i'll give that a try
[12:52] <DewLinux> is that gonna help me with samba?
[12:53] <d2dchat> DewLinux, who are you talking to?
[12:53] <DewLinux> you
[12:53] <mjr> georgeblunt, basically no, unless you do the grunt work manually
[12:53] <d2dchat> DewLinux, haha no, ignore it if you dont want to isntall ruby;)
[12:53] <fluvvell> a little knowledge can be a painful thing :-)
[12:53] <georgeblunt> mjr: ah damn.. i guess that i gonna have to install the 32bit version of ubuntu then.. hmm.. it's a shame :/
[12:54] <d2dchat> fluvvell, it can also generate income;)
[12:54] <Bags> When i try to use PureAdmin to set up my ftp accounts, it reports PureFTPd is not running. Anything I do to create accounts in PureFTPd is ignored and only registered system users of the computer have access to FTP browsing of files on the computer. If there's anyone with any experience with PureFTPd on Ubuntu, please let me know if you can offer any advice...
[12:54] <fluvvell> d2dchat: we try.
[12:54] <d2dchat> fluvvell, or it can enable you to charge people $1000/hr for service
[12:54] <DewLinux> yeah, i don't even know what ruby is
[12:54] <d2dchat> DewLinux, are you a web developer?
[12:55] <Xanthus7> can I please get the command to update kernel hearders with apt-get
[12:55] <fluvvell> d2dchat:$100 per hour could be a good start, I'm not quite at that point!
[12:55] <mjr> georgeblunt, there's the option of building a 32-bit chroot environment within the 64-bit OS, which is kinda semi-automatic
[12:55] <dvsoftwar> hello
[12:55] <d2dchat> fluvvell, I have a friend who is a date coach, he gets $1,200 an hour
[12:55] <d2dchat> fluvvell, Im like....... WTF??
[12:55] <fluvvell> d2dchat: ha!  what kind of date!!!
[12:55] <georgeblunt> mjr: sounds interesting.. how would i do this? ^^
[12:55] <dvsoftwar> is it safe to upgrade to breezy?
[12:55] <vbgunz> BlankB... Just one last quetion... How do I get my cdrom back? It sort of disappeared for good...
[12:55] <d2dchat> fluvvell, who in their right mind would pay ANYONE $1,200/hr for date coaching, but he gets a continous stream of clients, like 3 at a time
[12:55] <DewLinux> d2d: no
[12:55] <lsuactiafner> no
[12:56] <fluvvell> d2dchat:3 at a time sounds kind of dodgy!!!
[12:56] <Xanthus7> can I please get the command to update kernel hearders with apt-get
[12:56] <d2dchat> DewLinux, :( Ruby is the newest greatest thing for web developers.. its getting a lot of hype in that community
[12:56] <cafuego> gibbons
[12:56] <icheyne> I'm having problems with enabling DMA on the DVD writer I just installed. I can't find the right /dev/foo device. Can anyone help?
[12:56] <d2dchat> fluvvell, lol, nono, his clients are male.. he helps 3 males at a time get chicks
[12:56] <cafuego> d2dchat: Desperate people are a great source of income.
[12:57] <DVSoftware> lsuactiafner: is that "no" for me?
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> Xanthus7 : apt-cache search header | grep kern
[12:57] <d2dchat> fluvvell, but its a more involved process than that, they build their confidence, and all this other shit
[12:57] <fluvvell> d2dchat: ok, lol!  Via irc ???? No, maybe txt messaging
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> learn to grep
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> icheyne : /dev/dvd
[12:57] <icheyne> lsuactiafner, I tried that but no joy
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> dvsoftwar : yes
[12:57] <d2dchat> fluvvell, no actually they take them to dinner, take them to clubs, show them how to pick up ladies, sit em down and show them how they can imrpove etc.
[12:57] <DVSoftware> icheyne: what did hdparm told you?
[12:57] <icheyne> and /dev/cdrom and /dev/hdc
[12:57] <fluvvell> d2dchat: yeah, well I suppose you would pay for self esteem if it could be bought
[12:57] <Xanthus7> lsuactiafner does that update them or just check them
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> icheyne : /dev/cdrom
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> dmesg | grep sd
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> dmesg | grep hd also
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> Xanthus7 : check them
[12:58] <fluvvell> d2dchat: whew, sounds pretty exhausting.
[12:58] <d2dchat> fluvvell, lol, indeed
[12:58] <Xanthus7> I need to update them please
[12:58] <d2dchat> fluvvell, well for $1,200/hr...
[12:58] <BlankB> vbgunz: dunno...about that. Whatever was causing it to stick is probably still sticking it.
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> why do you want kernel headers if you dont know how to update them after seeing that command i just pasted you
[12:58] <fluvvell> d2dchat:Computers don't complaint quite as much.... but the pay certainly is tempting!!
[12:58] <icheyne> DVSoftware, it said that dma is disabled
[12:58] <DVSoftware> then enable it
[12:58] <d2dchat> fluvvell, hahaha, well I hear its actually really fun
[12:59] <Xanthus7> I am trying to install vmware
[12:59] <fluvvell> d2dchat: Wonders what cv would have to look like?
[12:59] <lsuactiafner> i dont know your cpu type or what you want to do with headers so i wont give you some wild guess command
[12:59] <Xanthus7> says I need to update them
[12:59] <DVSoftware> icheyne: -d 1
[12:59] <d2dchat> fluvvell, cv?
[12:59] <icheyne> DVSoftware, but it won't work
[12:59] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[12:59] <fluvvell> d2dchat: ie what would qualify you for such a role....
[12:59] <BlankB> you can mount it manually: sudo mount /dev/hdc /mnt/wherever
[12:59] <icheyne> the dvd player is working fine
[12:59] <fluvvell> curriculum vitae
[12:59] <icheyne> but I can't get it to use DMA
[01:00] <icheyne> how can I tell which is the currrent device?
[01:00] <iDaywalker> mhh
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> hdparm - something bleh
[01:00] <icheyne> and /dvd
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> !hdparm
[01:00] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Not a clue
[01:00] <DVSoftware> icheyne: is it in /etc/fstab?
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> icheyne : look into hdparm
[01:00] <d2dchat> fluvvell, You would need to A) be practiced in the art then B) be practiced in their ways.. because they have a whole book on it and then C) be somewhat attractive, have experience applying the strategies
[01:00] <iDaywalker> on my 500mhz laptop qemu runs faster than qemu and kqemu on my 2ghz machine :(
[01:01] <icheyne> OK I'll check them both out
[01:01] <icheyne> hang on
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[01:01] <d2dchat> fluvvell, but you dont need to be a stud
[01:01] <icheyne>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[01:01] <DVSoftware> sudo
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> sudo then damnit
[01:01] <icheyne> oh
[01:01] <d2dchat> fluvvell, interestingly enough, you can make a guy look "hot" enough to a woman 90% with his personality and charisma and 10% with some outter fluff you apply like colone and nice looking clothing;)
[01:01] <DewLinux> ok, there's gotta be something i'm not doing
[01:02] <BlankB> vbgunz: you might want to try: sudo lsof | grep "hdc"    again...to see if anything is holding it. But I gotta run. Perhaps if you cant find it I will chat later.
[01:02] <icheyne> gotcha
[01:02] <icheyne> sorry
[01:02] <DewLinux> either i need to restart samba
[01:02] <icheyne> it works now
[01:02] <DewLinux> or XP needs configuration..i don't know
[01:02] <fluvvell> d2dchat: you've been reading!
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> studying for semsters
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> i'm annoyed so bbl
[01:02] <d2dchat> fluvvell, no, ive had some free coaching and lots of applying;)
[01:02] <icheyne> DVSoftware,  and lsuactiafner ok I'll edit my hdparm.conf now with that
[01:02] <icheyne> back in a mo
[01:02] <fluvvell> d2dchat:So have you had any success ????
[01:03] <d2dchat> fluvvell, in fact, they asked me to help them coach, i just have  agirlfriend so it defeats some of the morality;)
[01:03] <d2dchat> fluvvell, MUCH
[01:03] <jfosa> how do I add a filetype when saving a file?
[01:03] <d2dchat> fluvvell, if you're interested, there are cheaper alternatives to coaching, they have the book in pdf format
[01:03] <d2dchat> fluvvell, www.charismasciences.com
[01:03] <ompaul> if they have 1.2k for such a project it is not hard to part them from it - after all if you are going to pay for it pay well and implement the lessons a that will garner more success than getting the advice for free and maybe thinking about it at the relevant time
[01:03] <fluvvell> d2dchat: Hope your chargeout rate is on a par!!
[01:03] <NoUse> jfosa the program should do that for you
[01:04] <jfosa> NoUse: and if it doesnt?
[01:04] <fluvvell> d2dchat: Not interested sorry.
[01:04] <d2dchat> fluvvell, haha i dont coach, if i were single i would, but im not
[01:04] <codecaine> NoUse, can you tell me what syslog syncs against when you don't use the "-" for logging?
[01:04] <d2dchat> fluvvell, my girlfriend would kill me if i spent my time picking up girls even if they meant nothing to me and I would feel really bad doing so
[01:04] <fluvvell> d2dchat: not single either, just interested that ppl would pay to be coached.
[01:05] <hawking> can jtr find lost zip passwords by brute-forcing?
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, well, the book is an interesting read;)
[01:05] <fluvvell> d2dchat: Would rather make a living ( and do ) with computer/network service
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, har har!
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, I completely agree
[01:05] <fluvvell> d2dchat: You're not peddling then?
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, o shit
[01:05] <ElBarono> www.intellectualwhores.com
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, that reminds me, i have to help this girl with her wireless AHH
[01:05] <d2dchat> fluvvell, lol, peddling?
[01:05] <fluvvell> d2dchat: bonus!
[01:05] <NoUse> jfosa just add it
[01:06] <fluvvell> d2dchat: Its ok, my telemarketet radar just went off for a moment
[01:06] <fluvvell> d2dchat: false positive.
[01:06] <Bags> I"ve a problem running PureFTPD on Ubuntu. I can't get it to work... Is there anyone out there who could possibly shet some light on why PureAdmin is always reporting PureFTPd to be "not running"?
[01:06] <d2dchat> fluvvell, hehe i stopped telemarketting my services when i learned how to optimize my site for search engines;)
[01:07] <fluvvell> d2dchat: don't tell me, you just downloaded prouct "b" and suddenly you were swamped???? lol
[01:08] <calamari> hi
[01:08] <d2dchat> well basically I topped google for "Ann Arbor Website Design" and my business is steady
[01:08] <NoUse> codecaine I have no idea what you are referring to
[01:08] <d2dchat> im still working on the free listings, but i got adwords covered so..
[01:08] <d2dchat> soon ill be getting free business;)
[01:09] <calamari> it takes 5-10 minutes after being disconnected from the internet for my programs to finally realize I was discconnected.  Can I speed that up for like 5-10 seconds?
[01:10] <icheyne> DVSoftware, lsuactiafner no it didn't work
[01:10] <fluvvell> d2dchat: which one is your website then?
[01:10] <d2dchat> www.desire2design.com
[01:10] <icheyne> I entered /dev/dvd into the hdparm.conf just like the wiki instructed
[01:10] <icheyne> but I got this message " using_dma    =  0 (off)
[01:10] <icheyne> "
[01:10] <icheyne> when I rebooted
[01:10] <icheyne> and checked hdparm
[01:10] <icheyne> :(
[01:11] <d2dchat> fluvvell, I was 9th in the free listings yesterday, lol, i dont know what happened, im taking steps to get myself higher though;)
[01:11] <codecaine> NoUse, i.e: auth.*    -/var/log/auth.log
[01:11] <codecaine> NoUse, instead of auth.*     /var/log/auth.log
[01:11] <codecaine> using - doesn't synchronize and is faster on disk access
[01:12] <NoUse> codecaine still clueless
[01:12] <codecaine> NoUse, -/some/file
[01:12] <codecaine> 
[01:12] <codecaine> Log to specified file but don't sync afterward
[01:12] <[DF2] > can anyone help me with a problem with pppoeconf
[01:12] <codecaine> without the - it doesn't synch
[01:13] <[DF2] > can anyone help me configure pppoeconf........ only eth0 is showing..
[01:13] <[DF2] > i'm trying to config pppoeconf and it fails but afterwards i see in the terminal... modeconf: command not found.. any ideas ?????????????????
[01:13] <codecaine> i'll try to look it up
[01:13] <NoUse> codecaine where is this - going?
[01:13] <codecaine> its a book im reading
[01:13] <NoUse> codecaine and why are you asking me specifically about it?
[01:13] <codecaine> NoUse, because you've been help to me before
[01:13] <ompaul> [DF2] , your nick is hard to type :) ehh how many cards have you in the box
[01:13] <NoUse> codecaine doesn't mean I know everything
[01:14] <[DF2] > its a laptop..
[01:14] <NoUse> codecaine ask the channel in general, if anyone can help, they will
[01:14] <codecaine> didnt say you did
[01:14] <[DF2] > just got 2 usb ports
[01:14] <ompaul> [DF2] , for your ethernet cards?
[01:14] <[DF2] > and an usb2 pmcia 4port
[01:15] <[DF2] > only 1 ethernet port
[01:15] <ompaul> so then eth0 it is, does pppoeconf
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> icheyne : they dont like if i say something like this
[01:15] <ompaul>  does pppoeconf not see it?
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> but
[01:15] <[DF2] > its sees just the eth0 one
[01:16] <ompaul> [DF2] , well then that is the eth0 which is the one in the box, so I fail to see your problem - eth0 is the first ethernet card
[01:16] <[DF2] > after running it.. it sayssorry scanned 1 interface but the access concentrar of provider not responding
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> echo "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd >> /etc/init.d/hdparm_test" ; chmod +x /etc/init.d/hdparm_test
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> there is a file /etc/init.d/hdparm you can edit if you know unix very well
[01:17] <ompaul> [DF2] , so the next question is are you connecting to a router ?
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> but otherwise DO NOT edit it
[01:17] <[DF2] > afterwards i see in the terminal... modeconf: command not found.. any ideas
[01:17] <icheyne> well I'm a bit of a newbie
[01:17] <[DF2] > no just adsl usb modem
[01:17] <ompaul> [DF2] , does it have an ethernet port?
[01:17] <icheyne> lsuactiafner, what does your first command do?
[01:17] <elvirolo> can i still fill in bug reports for Hoary ?
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> well the command echo "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" >> /etc/init.d/hdparm_test" ; chmod +x /etc/init.d/hdparm_test
[01:17] <[DF2] > no ethernet port on the modem
[01:18] <Bibi2> I installed Azureus but everytime i launch i get azupdate error and can't download anything. I set firestarter to allow bittorent too. Anyone help?
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> should work
[01:18] <ompaul> [DF2] , ooch -that is a dog
[01:18] <eFFay> as i was trying to install another OS (besides ubuntu) i chose to "deactivate" ubuntu.. that installation fucked up and then i couldn't find a way to boot from ubuntu
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> makes a script that will run the hdparm on the next bootup
[01:18] <icheyne> lsuactiafner, cool
[01:18] <icheyne> I'll try it
[01:18] <icheyne> :)
[01:18] <[DF2] > i know :P
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> but i edtied it from before, use what i pasted last
[01:18] <icheyne> hang on
[01:18] <elvirolo> ideas anyone ?
[01:18] <eFFay> now i installed ubuntu again on another partition
[01:18] <icheyne> :)
[01:18] <eFFay> but i still can't boot from the old one
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> and you need to be root when you do the command
[01:18] <eFFay> is there any easy way out of this? :P
[01:18] <ompaul> [DF2] , does that other thing that claims to be an operating system work with it>?
[01:19] <[DF2] > yeah using it now
[01:19] <ompaul> [DF2] , ahh
[01:19] <[DF2] > http://users.tpg.com.au/johnd/dsl200.html#starting-eciadsl
[01:19] <[DF2] > i found that page.. the guy is using fedora though
[01:19] <[DF2] > he's also using the same modem
[01:20] <[DF2] > when i get to the point to configure pppoeconf as he's rp-ppoe
[01:20] <[DF2] > guess they both similar..
[01:20] <icheyne> lsuactiafner, mind if I dcc you?
[01:20] <icheyne> the traffic on this channel is very distracting
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> i dont do dcc
[01:21] <icheyne> sure
[01:21] <icheyne> OK
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> am on a slow dialup..
[01:22] <[DF2] > says in the terminal...    modconf: command not found
[01:22] <[DF2] > thats after the pppoeconf fails.. could there be something missing?
[01:23] <ompaul> [DF2] , modconf is not native to ubuntu
[01:24] <ompaul> [DF2] , which ubuntu are u using
[01:24] <arnehansen> Hello, i am trying to configure my xserver with X -configure
[01:24] <arnehansen> then i get "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed"
[01:24] <arnehansen> What can cause this ?
[01:24] <[DF2] > 5.04
[01:24] <ompaul> [DF2] , aka hoary :)
[01:25] <[DF2] > just this step i'm stuck on
[01:25] <elvirolo> does anyone know whether it is still possible to fill in bug reports for hoary ?
[01:25] <[DF2] > i dont know why i cant get through pppoeconf part
[01:26] <davro> Hi, im trying to setup a shared area for users with a home account, shared directory setup drw-rw-r--  root users, but when i try to cp something to the directory im getting  Permission denied.
[01:26] <vader1102> [DF2] , give him a min, he is probly looking the answer up
[01:26] <[DF2] > ok appreciate it
[01:26] <davro> Do i have to add all the home accounts to the users group or is this setup ?
[01:27] <ompaul> [DF2] , another question what make and model again please
[01:27] <[DF2] > d-link 200 rev b
[01:27] <sexcopter8000m> i want to run a file called "et-linux-2.60.x86.run", am i doing right to cd to the directory and type ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[01:27] <[DF2] > dsl-200 rev b
[01:28] <arnehansen> No one got any ideas as to what the problem might be ?
[01:28] <NoUse> sexcopter8000m yes but you need to make sure the file has executable permissions
[01:29] <sexcopter8000m> ah, ok
[01:29] <ompaul> [DF2] , having fun looking for something relevant
[01:29] <sexcopter8000m> ty NoUse
[01:29] <geneo93> and try sh
[01:29] <[DF2] > ok thanks.. did u see that url i pasted..
[01:30] <[DF2] > the guy has a similar setup
[01:30] <[DF2] > i.e. same modem.. same adsl provider.. linux but using fedore
[01:30] <[DF2] > http://users.tpg.com.au/johnd/dsl200.html#starting-eciadsl
[01:31] <calamari> It takes about 5-10 minutes after being disconnected from the internet for my programs to finally realize I was disconnected.  Can I speed that process up to around 5-10 seconds?
[01:31] <[miles] > good morning #abuntu
[01:31] <Webby`> abuntu?
[01:31] <ompaul> [DF2] , different programs rp and pppoeconf
[01:31] <bimberi> morning?
[01:32] <Webby`> lol
[01:32] <[miles] > sorry
[01:32] <[DF2] > ahh
[01:32] <fluvvell> d2dchat: you still there?
[01:32] <[miles] > jejee
[01:32] <[miles] > ubuntu even
[01:32] <WolfPac_Ite> Gah.
[01:32] <[miles] > :D
[01:32] <bimberi> good? :P
[01:32] <ompaul> bimberi, it is always sunday and it is always morning in irc until you leave when you are the only one to experience night at that time :)
[01:32] <[miles] > ok
[01:33] <[miles] > I'm currently downloading the install cd.... very interested in what I read about the project...
[01:33] <WolfPac_Ite> I'm trying to install Ubuntu to an old HDD with 98 on it, but 98 keeps loading up instead of the Ubuntu disc.
[01:33] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite check your BIOS boot order
[01:33] <WolfPac_Ite> I set the first boot to CDROM.
[01:33] <[miles] > atm I use SuSE for everything... desktops, servers, blah blah... I see a quote about the enterprise version..... does this exist yet?
[01:33] <bimberi> ompaul: :)
[01:34] <[miles] > btw, in Spain it's AM
[01:34] <dell500> is there a site that has chipset drivers??
[01:34] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite sometimes old computers have trouble booting off burnt CDs
[01:34] <WolfPac_Ite> I have the pressed disk
[01:34] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite very strange
[01:34] <cfaun> Changing the .gtkrc file or using gtkthemeswitch do not affect the gtk 1.2 theme. How can I change it?
[01:34] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite does the drive attempt to read the disc?
[01:35] <bimberi> [miles] : to my knowlege there isn't an enterprise edition (or plans)
[01:35] <WolfPac_Ite> What does boot order mean? Do the numbers represent the devices on the channel.
[01:35] <ompaul> [DF2] , I can't find an answer for you, if you have a small enough amount of money a cheap adsl router with an ethernet port and cable is all I can suggest, however that is not to say that there is not an answer out there, I use ethernet so can't really throw light on the subject, however it might just be worth trying a breezy live CD to see if it that support is there in the next generation which will be out in October
[01:35] <WolfPac_Ite> Going from primary to secondary?
[01:35] <vader1102> well, dinner time, back when it is time for me to have some fun getting mp3's to play on my desktop
[01:35] <[miles] > bimberi: ok, thanks... seem's strange they mention it
[01:35] <bimberi> [miles] : As I understand it the point being made is that ubuntu is Free to all.  You don't get access to extra software if you have money
[01:35] <WolfPac_Ite> Not sure, didn't look at the light.
[01:35] <LasseL> WolfPac_Ite, you might also be interested to know that the default install is pretty resource hungry so an old machine might not cut it
[01:36] <[miles] > bimberi: ahhh ok... because I at times use SLES9
[01:36] <[DF2] > ok thx then for your efforts ompaul..
[01:36] <[miles] > bimberi: wonderded if this could be an alternative
[01:36] <bimberi> [miles] : contrasting with, say, RedHat (who have Fedora and Enterprise)
[01:36] <ompaul> [DF2] , np as I say that is a suggestion, I really think that the liveCD is a good way forward with this
[01:37] <bimberi> [miles] : there is paid support available through Canonical...
[01:37] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite boot order means which drive gets checked for media first
[01:37] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite you want the CD to get checked first
[01:38] <WolfPac_Ite> With each number representing the devices?
[01:38] <CarlFK> what is the script to conf x?
[01:38] <ompaul> !xorg
[01:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:38] <WolfPac_Ite> Like, 1=Primary master, 2= primary slave, etc?
[01:38] <davro> Trying to convert my collection of mp3 files to an open-format .ogg files, anyone ?
[01:38] <[miles] > bimberi: Sorry for all the Q's, but this is my final one.... Does the dvd version contain all packages? As installing every boxes addiontal packages via web is not that appeling
[01:38] <CarlFK> and that will "help" a box that doesn't boot X cuz of config issues?
[01:39] <WolfPac_Ite> I think I know the problem, for whatever reason, the BIOS disabled the rest of the device channels.
[01:39] <fluvvell> I don't know whether its worth grizzling out loud, but grub should be included in the live distro of hoary!!!  Its pretty useless as a rescue tool without it!
[01:39] <mjr> davro, not really a good idea, you get degradation, but there is an mp32ogg tool around if you really want to
[01:39] <davro> can convert to .wav using mpg123, for i in *.mp3; do mpg321 -v -w "`basename "$i" .mp3`".wav "$i"; done
[01:39] <mjr> (of course, you have to convert if you want an mp3 codec free system)
[01:39] <fluvvell> calling all breezy movers and shakers... PUT GRUB in the live distro package please!!
[01:40] <mjr> still, if you have the originals, reripping would be quite advisable
[01:40] <ompaul> [miles] , you could install from a single box mount the .debs directory and allow it across your local lan - then you have an update solution when you want to add more software or update stuff
[01:40] <davro> Was then going to convert from a wav to .ogg ??
[01:40] <mjr> davro, oggenv
[01:40] <mjr> oggenc
[01:40] <bimberi> [miles] : np whatsoever regarding Qs :) . Unfortunately I don't know,  I thing the DVD has all the packages in the "main" repository plus can also be a LiveDVD but could be wrong (anyone else?)
[01:40] <jo_e> i can't eject my CD from my drive.  i had tried turning dma on to improve performance, but the turned it off again.
[01:40] <mjr> davro, but as said, mp32ogg does it more automagically
[01:40] <jo_e> then*
[01:40] <cfaun> jo_e you need to unmount your cd before you can eject it
[01:41] <ompaul> jo_e, then after it is umounted try the eject command
[01:41] <jo_e> cfaun, it is unmounted
[01:41] <mjr> ompaul, actually, the eject command will (try to) unmount too
[01:41] <davro> cool will look into those cheers, mp32ogg sound intresting =)
[01:41] <[miles] > ok, great... well, I will try the cd install, thanks you once again guys... bimberi ompaul .... have not tested out other distro besides #suse for nearlly 3 years... time to look maybe :-) nn all
[01:41] <cfaun> jo_e: what happens when you use the eject command?
[01:41] <DewDude> is there a reason i can't su from Konsole?
[01:41] <WolfPac_Ite> Hmm, the BIOS is not detecting my drives.
[01:41] <Bibi2> I've tried bittorrent, g3torrent, azureus and gnome torrent and none work. I've tried all with firewall disabled. Wtf is going on???
[01:42] <cfaun> DewDude: yes; in ubuntu, root is disabled by default
[01:42] <DewDude> well
[01:42] <cfaun> DewDude: you can do sudo passwd root to enable root
[01:42] <DewDude> i'd like it back
[01:42] <DewDude> ok
[01:42] <DewDude> that works too
[01:42] <cfaun> DewDude: that's what I did
[01:42] <bimberi> ubotu supportoptions is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/
[01:42] <ubotu> okay, bimberi
[01:42] <nalioth> DewDude: i find that once you get used to "sudo" it's just as easy
[01:43] <jo_e> ejecting from the right-click>eject thing on the desktop doesn't work now, I have to sudo eject.
[01:43] <jo_e> i get "Invalid argument" otherwise
[01:43] <DewDude> i'm used to SU
[01:43] <moffa> When mounting a drive how come the path is busy?
[01:43] <DewDude> i'm not a linux guru, not by a long shot
[01:43] <DewDude> but, i did learn SU a few years ago
[01:43] <DewDude> so, it's what i know
[01:44] <nalioth> bimberi: can we not make that "support" instead of "supportoptions"?
[01:44] <nalioth> DewDude: give it a few days using sudo, and then think about it
[01:44] <bimberi> nalioth: ok - i'll do that via /msg :)
[01:44] <nalioth> DewDude: i've been using linux over 5 years and i like "sudo"
[01:45] <Rockett18> yeah i keep typing sudo on fedora boxes now.. so used to it
[01:45] <cfaun> gaaaaaaaaaa
[01:45] <Rockett18> :)
[01:45] <nalioth> Rockett18: so enable it on your fedora boxen
[01:46] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite thats probably the problem :-)
[01:46] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite you might try smartboot
[01:46] <NoUse> !smartboot
[01:46] <ubotu> smartboot is, like, totally, If you can't boot from your CD-ROM Drive, go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:47] <calamari> It takes about 5-10 minutes after being disconnected from the internet for my programs to finally realize I was disconnected.  Can I speed that process up to around 5-10 seconds?
[01:47] <bimberi> nalioth: done - both will work in fact :)
[01:47] <nalioth> bimberi: great! cuz more folks is likely to hit !support with their wild triggering sprees
[01:48] <WolfPac_Ite> I fixed the problem...
[01:49] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite what was it?
[01:49] <davro> ide cable upside down ?
[01:49] <WolfPac_Ite> ...
[01:49] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite hehe, if you don't want to say its alright, I'll just assume the worst :-)
[01:50] <calamari> Is my problem impossible to solve or something?
[01:50] <WolfPac_Ite> Heh, look above NoUse.
[01:51] <calamari> WolfPac_Ite: huh?
[01:52] <bimberi> calamari: it's probably because noone has an answer for you ... I guess it's up to the "programs" themselves to be coded to check for an internet connection?
[01:52] <WolfPac_Ite> Message.
[01:52] <jfosa> what's a good video player? :)
[01:52] <nalioth> jfosa: there are many video players
[01:53] <WolfPac_Ite> What should I input for Netmask?
[01:53] <jfosa> one that plays avi's well? for anime
[01:53] <WolfPac_Ite> I have a router.
[01:53] <WolfPac_Ite> 255.255.255.0?
[01:53] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite most of the time thats the right choice
[01:53] <WolfPac_Ite> Ok.
[01:53] <calamari> bimberi: I haven't done low level network programming, but in higher level languages, when a network connection is terminated the program knows about it when the OS tells them (closes connection, etC)
[01:53] <davro> yup i usally run with 255.255.255.0
[01:53] <WolfPac_Ite> What about the name server address?
[01:53] <DewDude> well, i have shares working
[01:53] <DewDude> i just can't mount them
[01:53] <calamari> bimberi: so I'm assuming that Linux is waiting aorund forever to tell everyone
[01:54] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite usually the address of the router/gateway
[01:54] <WolfPac_Ite> Ok.
[01:54] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks.
[01:54] <davro> gateway 10.0.0.1, 192.168.0.1 what ever your gw is.
[01:55] <WolfPac_Ite> 192.168.1.1 for me.
[01:55] <WolfPac_Ite> Linksys.
[01:55] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite is there a reason you aren't using DHCP?
[01:55] <Bad_Magic> anyone around get ndiswrapper to work with an inspiron 9100? I keep getting invalid driver errors
[01:56] <bimberi> calamari: outta my league i'm afraid :|
[01:56] <jfosa> what's the most popular video player?
[01:56] <calamari> bimberi: np, thanks :)
[01:56] <therealmawa> hi
[01:56] <WolfPac_Ite> Yes.
[01:56] <bimberi> calamari: at least someone aknowledged your existence :)
[01:56] <therealmawa> is there a special channel for problems with Breezy or is this the right place?
[01:56] <WolfPac_Ite> I like always having the same IP tied to my devices.
[01:56] <calamari> bimberi: yay! :)
[01:57] <davro> jfosa: not sure need we need a vote on that, personall i use, xine or mplayer
[01:57] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite you can have the router assign an IP based on MAC
[01:57] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite thats what I do
[01:57] <NoUse> therealmawa this is it
[01:57] <WolfPac_Ite> Oh really?
[01:58] <WolfPac_Ite> How do you do that with a Linksys?
[01:58] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite yeah, I'm not sure if linksys supports it but my d-link does
[01:58] <therealmawa> ok...
[01:58] <WolfPac_Ite> Anyone here know of alternate Linksys firmware?
[01:58] <therealmawa> I just switched from Hoary to Breezy and no GTK+ applications work
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> er yeah
[01:58] <therealmawa> is that a common problem?
[01:58] <WolfPac_Ite> The Linksys stuff doesn't have enough port slots.
[01:59] <jfosa> do i have the fedora core, as an ubuntu user?
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> WolfPac_Ite: you can put linux on it
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> jfosa: ... no
[01:59] <DewDude> does ubuntu come with smbfs or do i have to add it
[01:59] <WolfPac_Ite> Heh.
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> fedora core is a totally different distribution
[01:59] <WolfPac_Ite> There is Linux firmware for the Linksys routers, eh?
[01:59] <DewDude> cuz doing mount -t smbfs gives me errors when trying to mount samba
[01:59] <therealmawa> I get "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: pango_cairo_context_set_font_options" whenever I try to run a gtk application
[01:59] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite on my router its called "Static DHCP"
[01:59] <bimberi> DewDude: not part of the basic install, but available in the repositories
[01:59] <WolfPac_Ite> I just need something that will allow a wider range of port slots.
[01:59] <therealmawa> LD_PRELOADing libpangocairo doesn't help
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> DewDude: it should be there
[02:00] <DewDude> i'm lookin through kynaptic
[02:00] <jfosa> davro: which source do i download from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[02:00] <DewDude> i heard there was a repository that had other stuff that wasn't on by default
[02:00] <bimberi> !info smbfs
[02:00] <ubotu> smbfs: (mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 340 kB, Installed size: 816 kB
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> DewDude: universe
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> !repositories
[02:00] <ubotu> repositories is, like, probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:00] <TitanCry> Can anyone help me with a dualboot question?
[02:00] <nalioth> DewDude: multiverse
[02:00] <DewDude> ok, i'll see if i can figure it out from there
[02:00] <nalioth> TitanCry: if you ask us
[02:01] <WildFire`> can someone help me set up a dialup connection off of the live cd?
[02:01] <therealmawa> oh well.
[02:01] <WildFire`> mm?
[02:01] <rob_p> WolfPac_Ite:  Replace your Linksys router with an Ubuntu Box that has a couple of network cards.  Then you'll have more options than you'll know what to do with!
[02:02] <WildFire`> can someone help me set up a dialup connection off of the live cd??
[02:02] <TitanCry> I have Win98 installed on one of four partitions on my harddrive.  I read that the Ubuntu installation comes with a re-partitioner, but i want to be DEAD sure I dont destroy existing data...will my existing data be protected?
[02:02] <jfosa> is there a common reason xine might not have sound?
[02:02] <DewDude> yay
[02:02] <DewDude> installing
[02:02] <WildFire`> what is?
[02:02] <DewDude> smbfs
[02:02] <WolfPac_Ite> Oh I see what you mean.
[02:02] <WildFire`> bleh
[02:02] <WolfPac_Ite> Yeah, I would use Smoothwall or something, but no cash for a spare box.
[02:03] <WildFire`> can someone help me connect linux with dialup on the live cd?
[02:03] <WildFire`> im confused how to
[02:03] <CarlFK> TitanCry - "dead sure?" no.  make a backup.  just letting the thing sit by itself is a risk.
[02:03] <davro> jfosa, Compiling from source try MPlayer v1.0pre7try2 personally i can be arsed compiling, apt-cache search mplayer
[02:03] <DewDude> TitanCry: you can only be SO sure
[02:03] <DewDude> cuz sometimes simply doing a repartition can trash your table
[02:03] <WildFire`> can someone help me connect linux with dialup on the live cd?
[02:03] <WildFire`> please!
[02:03] <DewDude> heck, i had linux trash a table after converting ext2 to ext3
[02:03] <DewDude> i thought i was fscked
[02:03] <NoUse> WildFire` its better if you state what kind of problem you are having
[02:03] <WildFire`> well
[02:04] <WildFire`> it won't connect
[02:04] <WildFire`> :P
[02:04] <WildFire`> i need someone to walk me through it
[02:04] <NoUse> WildFire` did you read the walkthrough on the wiki?
[02:04] <WildFire`> yes
[02:04] <WildFire`> doesnt work
[02:04] <TitanCry> ok thanks
[02:04] <WildFire`> because its the live cd
[02:04] <NoUse> well I'm guessing very few people here will have dealt with dialup on a live cd
[02:04] <WildFire`> hmm...
[02:04] <WolfPac_Ite> Talk later.
[02:04] <koneng> i've been trying to get my ipod (windows formatted 4rth gen w/ USB 2.0) to work. I was able to detect/add an album using gtkpod. My only problem was successfully unmounting it (w/o "Do Not Disconnect.." message). I used 'sudo eject /dev/sda', which finally worked. Everything looks okay, except that my podcasts are gone:/ Any advice so this won't happen again?
[02:04] <WolfPac_Ite> See ya.
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> koneng: that would be a gtkpod thing
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> check the gtkpod site/doco/etc
[02:06] <NoUse> koneng I'm guessing itunes creates that podcast listing, what I do is make sure all my podcasts are filed as "podcast" in the genre field
[02:06] <TitanCry> next question ....what linux should i use?
[02:06] <NoUse> koneng makes them easier to find
[02:06] <DewDude> dammit
[02:06] <Bad_Magic> anyone around get ndiswrapper to work with an inspiron 9100? I keep getting invalid driver errors (and yes, im using the ones suggested in the wiki)
[02:06] <bimberi> TitanCry: er, ubuntu of course :)
[02:06] <koneng> good advice, thanks HrdwrBoB/NoUser
[02:06] <jfosa> how do I get additional codecs for xine?
[02:06] <crube> TitanCry,  Ubuntu! That's why you're here :)
[02:07] <koneng> i used to hate itunes, but now i'm missing it:/
[02:07] <TitanCry> @bimber...i dont get it...i am reading the documentation and it points to another website and tells me to go pick a linux
[02:07] <NoUse> !w32codecs
[02:07] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository. AMD64? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399 Legal issues: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <bimberi> TitanCry: sounds strange, what website?
[02:08] <jfosa> thanks
[02:08] <TitanCry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome @bimberi
[02:08] <TitanCry> on the ubuntu website
[02:09] <jo_e> how can I make my printer networked?
[02:09] <NoUse> jo_e for windows machines?
[02:09] <jo_e> NoUse, no, for a redhat machine
[02:10] <TitanCry> does ubuntu have anything to do with mark shuttleworth?
[02:10] <jfosa> i'm looking for a specific mpeg layer, 2/3 0x55 something codec for audio
[02:10] <NoUse> jo_e if its set up in cups on your ubuntu machine, I think two cups based machines can talk to each other
[02:10] <NoUse> jo_e I've never done it before though
[02:10] <NoUse> TitanCry he's where the money comes from
[02:10] <nalioth> TitanCry: why yes it does, ol' Mark is the major force behind ubuntu
[02:10] <davro> no but mark shuttleworth has something todo with ubuntu
[02:11] <geneo93> mark shuttleworthis paying the tab
[02:11] <TitanCry> figured as much
[02:11] <bimberi> TitanCry: which bit of that page (perhaps a phrase)
[02:11] <jfosa> i don't see the 32 codecs under the synpatic thing
[02:11] <jo_e> NoUse, i'll experiment
[02:11] <TitanCry> First, like all things, you have to get a copy of Linux. Suprisingly, this can be more challenging than it probably should be. So scoot over to  http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html and lets take a look see. Lets leave the all matches on the boxes, and click go. Ok, there's your list of the Linux distributions, now pick one.
[02:12] <setite> hola compadres
[02:12] <setite> anyone know how i can get my builtin wireless card to work?
[02:12] <setite> its not detected
[02:12] <nalioth> setite: see the wiki on ndiswrapper
[02:12] <nalioth> setite: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[02:13] <TitanCry> what is the soundcard support under linux like?
[02:13] <bimberi> TitanCry: hehe, if you keep reading the author is trying to point out that there is a plethora of choices for linux...
[02:13] <TitanCry> @bimberi....silly me....i am new to this....
[02:13] <setite> cool.. thanks
[02:14] <setite> !kubuntu
[02:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[02:14] <jfosa> okay here's an easy question, how do I choose a directory to unzip to? from the CLI
[02:14] <koneng> how do i install a program with the .tar.gz extension?
[02:14] <nalioth> jfosa: you pick the directory to unzip to, by choosing which dir you are currently in
[02:15] <bimberi> TitanCry: as we all were.  I was lucky enough to have a work colleague to introduce me...
[02:15] <jfosa> nalioth: ohh.. i can't type it in somewhere?
[02:15] <konra`> koneng: is it from source?
[02:15] <NoUse> koneng those are usually source packages, which are usually not good for beginners
[02:15] <nalioth> koneng: you extract the files, from the tar.gz and read the README or INSTALL inside
[02:15] <nalioth> jfosa: are you familiar with the terminal?
[02:15] <jfosa> like tar -xvvzf file.tar.gz /local/usr/something
[02:15] <koneng> it's Odeo for linux ( http://www.odeo.com/sync/client ), it doesnt say source
[02:16] <flankk> nalioth, "jfosa: ... from the CLI"
[02:16] <TitanCry> I am working with sound files a lot and I understand linux is mroe stable with better memory management than good ol win, which is why i want to convert...are there good drivers for creative cards and moreover...do good sound applications exist?
[02:16] <koneng> i have a little experience, but mostly just typing what the guides tell me to:)
[02:16] <Webby`> -xvzf file.tar.gz
[02:16] <DewDude> ok, so, the instructions for adding a repository are for synaptic
[02:16] <DewDude> i installed kubuntu...and kynaptic has none of the same menu options
[02:17] <crimsun> TitanCry: the sblive drivers are generally quite good (presuming you stay away from the 7.1/24-bit lives), and there are a plethora of sound apps
[02:17] <konra`> DewDude, go back to gnome :p KDE sucks
[02:17] <koneng> whats the diff between -xvvzf and -xvzf?
[02:17] <jfosa> so.. what is the command?
[02:17] <konra`> type
[02:17] <konra`> typo*
[02:17] <DewDude> i'm sick of the KDE sucks
[02:17] <koneng> ahh ok
[02:17] <DewDude> i don't like gnome
[02:17] <DewDude> i've used it
[02:17] <flankk> koneng, the one with more v's is more verbose..
[02:17] <konra`> obviously
[02:17] <koneng> thanks
[02:17] <DewDude> i'm a KDE man
[02:17] <DewDude> i thought this whole thing was about choosing
[02:17] <konra`> lol
[02:17] <koneng> ill give this a shot
[02:17] <DewDude> not someone telling you to switch becuase they think something sucks when you ask for help
[02:17] <DewDude> wtf is THAT about
[02:18] <konra`> my bias.
[02:18] <NoUse> DewDude you are wrong *starts goose stepping around the channel*
[02:18] <DewDude> how am i wrong?
[02:18] <Riddell> DewDude: you'll be pleased to know we're working on a new package manager for KDE
[02:18] <NoUse> DewDude I was just kidding
[02:18] <flankk> DewDude, you are right, and it's all about choice.  Anyone who bashes something they dislike is the one at fault.
[02:18] <TitanCry> thnaks crimsun, bimberi
[02:18] <DewDude> ok
[02:18] <robertj> anyone here have a G5 with breezy and usplash working properly?
[02:18] <DewDude> so...can i add repositores manually?
[02:18] <geneo93> DewDude:  do like i did install synaptic
[02:18] <bimberi> TitanCry: yw :)
[02:19] <nalioth> DewDude: there are at least a dozen Desktop manglers to choose from (enlightenment, xfce, *box, ratpoison, etc)
[02:19] <flankk> nalioth, manglers.. lol
[02:19] <nalioth> robertj: i'm happy my G5 is running hoary
[02:19] <DewDude> i know, i'm just used to KDE
[02:19] <DewDude> i shouldn't be screwing with this
[02:20] <DewDude> i need to be burning music for the trip this weekend
[02:20] <optilock> where can i go for help for partitioning schemes for use with ubuntu ?
[02:20] <geneo93> gnome is a mangler
[02:20] <robertj> nalioth: hehe, I don't get any work done in Linux on my desktop so I run breezy ;)
[02:20] <NoUse> I think the only problem with kubuntu is that everything is Qt based, KDE's Im client is barely functional but Gaim isn't installed by default
[02:20] <DewDude> i was hoping to get enough done i could have the g3 transcode some non-mp3/ogg stuff to ogg
[02:20] <optilock> is breezy final ?
[02:20] <Webby`> Does anyone have paint shop pro or photoshop on their ubuntu computer?
[02:20] <NoUse> optilock not until october
[02:20] <Webby`> Not yet optilock
[02:20] <DewDude> webby: i got gimp
[02:20] <robertj> nalioth: I do however have two stable servers though with hoary so I don't feel all dirty inside ;)
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> optilock: heck no
[02:21] <Webby`> I need to use psp or photoshop in ubuntu
[02:21] <robertj> although if you have gotten mirror mode to work with dual head I'd like to know what you did
[02:21] <geneo93> optilock:  no
[02:21] <nalioth> robertj: i can't get ANY linux to load onto my imac G5
[02:21] <NoUse> Webby` look into crossover office
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: gimpshop is gimp but looks just like PS
[02:21] <robertj> nalioth: have you tried a breezy nightly?
[02:21] <vbgunz> someone please help me find my bash history?
[02:21] <optilock> is /opt a necessary partition ?
[02:21] <robertj> its probably very broken but it might at least get you going in the right direction
[02:21] <Webby`> noUse: For some reason crossover office doesn't load in ubuntu for me. It's in the application section but wwon't start up
[02:21] <Bubblefly> My backspace is being weird... instead of letting me hold it down to go back, I have to press it for each character... anyone know what I can do about that?
[02:22] <bimberi> optilock: no
[02:22] <NoUse> vbgunz ~/.bash_history
[02:22] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: thanks I'll try it out :)
[02:22] <vbgunz> thank you
[02:22] <vbgunz> is there a seperate bash history for the user and one for root?
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> Bubblefly: sounds like the delay in between multiple instances is turned off or really long
[02:22] <bimberi> optilock: the "df" command will show you the (mounted) partitions and their mount points
[02:22] <optilock> bimberi, would it be best to setup an /opt partition ?
[02:22] <NoUse> vbgunz yeah its in each users home directory
[02:22] <nalioth> robertj: yes, and it was an adventure. it wanst seen as "bootable" by the machine, and when i restarted in OSX, it kernel panicked it immediately. hadda go to OF to eject the thing
[02:22] <robertj> optilock: it's a directory, and it can be deleted but its required by the standard
[02:22] <Bubblefly> hybrid_goth: What do I do about that? ^^
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: http://platicbugs.com is the creators homepage but idk if he has the linux port there
[02:23] <DewDude> i had no problem putting kubuntu on my G3
[02:23] <dell500> what's a good wireless card to buy for ubuntu??
[02:23] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: are you in here causing trouble again? lol
[02:23] <dell500> 802.11g pref
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> Bubblefly: go to system> and then keyboard
[02:23] <robertj> nalioth: Hrmm, dunno.
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: http://plasticbugs.com rather
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: heck yes
[02:23] <bimberi> optilock: I don't personally ...
[02:23] <vbgunz> is this conversation being recorded?
[02:23] <nalioth> DewDude: ubuntu runs fine on my G3 and G4
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> DewDude: iBook G3 linux pwns
[02:23] <Bad_Magic> anyone around get ndiswrapper to work with an inspiron 9100? I keep getting invalid driver errors (and yes, im using the ones suggested in the wiki)
[02:24] <robertj> (BTW, stay far far away from Apple hardware built after the Silverdoor G4s)
[02:24] <nalioth> vbgunz: by several loggin bots, yes
[02:24] <Webby`> Thanks hybrid_goth
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> robertj: why is that
[02:24] <nalioth> robertj: too late
[02:24] <optilock> what size partition is best for /opt ?
[02:24] <vbgunz> how do I get a copy is it possible?
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: np good luck
[02:24] <robertj> hybrid_goth, aweful reliability
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> optilock: its linux w/e you wish
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> robertj: hmm what did they change?
[02:24] <robertj> It's just been buggy in various ways and prone to sudden death
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> hmm
[02:25] <jfosa> how do i give my GUI sudo?
[02:25] <robertj> I've got a lab that had 16 machines in it and of those 9 have been totally unbootable in the last year and taken in for service and had either the motherboard or cpu replaced
[02:25] <vbgunz> I had a problem about two hours ago... I asked for help and someone helped me... I thought my bash history would show me the commands I was inputting but it does not... I thought if I saved the IRC text to a file and keep overwriting it it would just get bigger BUT it seems IRC screen history got cut off and I basically screwed myself and lost the commands
[02:25] <robertj> AND that doesn't include the one that just died after the warranty ended last month
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> jfosa: Gtksu
[02:25] <_lui_> he, what can I do if I want any program to start everytime my session starts?
[02:26] <robertj> OR the one that they replaced it with that still has fan racing if you install 10.3 on it but works properly with 10.4, which we can't use because we don't have licences for the version of ProTools that runs on 10.4
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> jfosa: or just run sudo <foo> from terminal
[02:26] <Azra`el> What's the ubuntu way of changing video cards? (what's the process)
[02:26] <robertj> So umm, yeah, far far away is the place to be.
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> robertj: tiger is fine here on this G3
[02:26] <calamari> gksudo
[02:26] <_lui_> what can I do if I want any program to start everytime my session starts?
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> calamari: ty
[02:26] <jfosa> i'm trying to unpack something and it says i don't have permission
[02:26] <optilock> i just dont know anything about it.  i have a 250 gig hd.  going to do a /boot / /var /usr and / but dont know about opt.  boot, 100MB, /var 15MB, /usr 15MB, / 20MB, swap, and for /opt i simply dont know
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> _lui_: gnome?
[02:27] <robertj> hybrid: but the G5s, especially the 1.6 ghz models, are horrible
[02:27] <vbgunz> does anyone know how I can get a copy of todays IRC history?
[02:27] <NoUse> Azra`el I'm no sure there is an official way, what are the two cards?
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> vbgunz: check the logs i think they log this
[02:27] <Azra`el> NoUse, one's an nvidia geforce, the other's a trident blade.
[02:27] <_lui_> hybrid_goth, yep
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> _lui_: open it before you shutdown and log out but check save session that is the easy way
[02:28] <robertj> Also, the G5 handles hurt your hands
[02:28] <NoUse> Azra`el which are going switching two?
[02:28] <vbgunz> how? Window raw log shows nothing... is there another way?
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> jfosa: what kind of file is it
[02:28] <vbgunz> plus, I just signed on BUT I need the conversation from about two hours ago... anyone please help much appreciated
[02:28] <Azra`el> NoUse: trident out, nvidia in
[02:28] <calamari> _lui_: System -> Preferences -> Sessisons -> Startup Programs -> Add
[02:29] <_lui_> hybrid_goth, should save session always or just once with knotes?
[02:29] <NoUse> Azra`el I would read the nvidia howto, perhaps print it out, X should come up on backup driver but in case it doesn't you'll know how to install the nvidia driver
[02:29] <juanej> is anyone using xfce? why does xfce ask for a password everytime i want to reboot or turn off?
[02:29] <NoUse> !tell Azra`el about nvidia
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> _lui_: once will do
[02:29] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: How do I open up gimp shop? I have it installed already but can't find it
[02:29] <nalioth> robertj: i'm runnin a dual 1.8 and i have 0 problems
[02:29] <_lui_> oh! thanks, calamari
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> juanej: it is in the settings
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: call it from comman line
[02:29] <_lui_> hybrid_goth, thanks
[02:29] <nalioth> robertj: the 1.6 was the first model, and has "original model year bugs"
[02:29] <calamari> _lui_: yw.. leave it at 50 :)
[02:29] <robertj> nalioth: good for you, I've got 100 macs with no problems and 30 with severe problems.
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> _lui_: np
[02:30] <nalioth> robertj: are you a sysadmin in heaven?
[02:30] <robertj> nalioth: a 50+% mortality rate on motherboard/cpu in the first year is a bit more than a bug
[02:30] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: I type gimpshop and it says command not found
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> hmm
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: i have never used it personally
[02:30] <nalioth> robertj: well then, i'm past that (bought a apple warranted refurb)
[02:30] <Webby`> oh
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> juanej: did ya find it?
[02:30] <juanej> hybrid_goth,  No, its not
[02:31] <WolfPac_Ite> What filesystem should the Linux partition be?
[02:31] <nalioth> Webby`: did you build gimpshop?
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> juanej: it is under seesion or login or such
[02:31] <Webby`> nalioth: no
[02:31] <nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: ext2, ext3 (recommended) or reiser
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: he wanted a photoshop
[02:31] <optilock> if you had a 250 gig hd how big would your /opt be ?
[02:31] <Webby`> nalioth: I downloaded it through wine
[02:31] <robertj> nalioth: AppleCare IMO is pretty good, but if they don't comp us another 2 years of AppleCare on the 1.6's it may be the last Mac lab we have
[02:31] <WolfPac_Ite> And what should the "Typical usage" be set to?
[02:31] <WolfPac_Ite> OhI need this to be a server.
[02:31] <juanej> hybrid_goth,  there is a sessions and startup but nothing about asking for a password
[02:31] <_lui_> calamari, why in 50?
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> juanej: 4.0?
[02:31] <nalioth> Webby`: i'm afraid i'm not able to help you with that
[02:32] <juanej> 4.2
[02:32] <WolfPac_Ite> Mostly text and photos.
[02:32] <Webby`> nalioth: ok
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> juanej: i think it is under sessions
[02:32] <nalioth> Webby`: if you find the homepage and follow the instructions there, it will work
[02:32] <vbgunz> does anyone have todays IRC log?
[02:32] <nalioth> Webby`: but i dont deal with wine
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: didnt find the native linux GS?
[02:32] <bimberi> vbgunz: /topic
[02:32] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: he didnt, help him out
[02:33] <robertj> My dual 2.5/2 gig is a very nice machine and quite peppy but its not substantially faster for every day use than my G3 900 with 768 megs of ram
[02:33] <vbgunz> i went to this link http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ but todays log is not because I cannot find my conversation :(
[02:33] <robertj> If your compiling something you sure do notice the speed (and the noise) but for web surfing Firefox on my eMachine is actually faster often-times
[02:33] <kent> Can some one explain how to easely find which .desktop-file is giving me an entry in Program->Settings->Java2->Plugin Control-Panel?  Smeg in Breezy cant disable it from the menu, and I cant find the desktop-file to remove it manually :(
[02:33] <nalioth> robertj: really. . . .
[02:33] <vbgunz> should I wait a day?
[02:33] <bimberi> vbgunz: look for ubuntu-current.html
[02:33] <vbgunz> ok will do
[02:34] <nalioth> robertj: my DP1.8 is amazingly faster than my G3 and G4 ibooks (both maxxed with ram)
[02:34] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: It's not out for linux yet
[02:34] <nalioth> robertj: emachine? we are comparing apples and prunes now?
[02:34] <robertj> of course its faster but its not really substantially faster for every day use
[02:34] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: yes it is
[02:34] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: who speaks german?
[02:34] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: search synaptic
[02:34] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: ok
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: google gimshop deb and it will show ya
[02:35] <WolfPac_Ite> What do you guys recommend for website server use?
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: if it isnt there i have a link for ya
[02:35] <Azra`el> ok
[02:35] <setite> hey whats the way to install the latest firefox?
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> WolfPac_Ite: appache?
[02:35] <Azra`el> mouse, HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:35] <WolfPac_Ite> For the "Typical usage" and filesystem setting?
[02:35] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: there is an english weblog with instructions and links to the source.gz
[02:35] <setite> its on the repos right
[02:35] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: It's not in synapti
[02:35] <setite> or do i have to change the version number
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: alien
[02:35] <robertj> but that G3 ibook has been great except for the logic board going kaput
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> i found a rpm
[02:35] <nalioth> Webby`: hang on a minim
[02:35] <Webby`> ok
[02:35] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: source install is best
[02:35] <vbgunz> oh my goodness bimberi so much thanks! and thank you to everyone else for your time! bimberi major thanks and major appreciation... better look through the logs now!
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> robertj: i had the same
[02:35] <WolfPac_Ite> Appache, hmm.
[02:36] <nalioth> robertj: i have a new logic board, heh heh
[02:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> What's the command to manualy mount a usb drive?
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: source is complicated with GS iirc
[02:36] <bimberi> vbgunz: yvw :)
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> MrGardenHoseMan: sudo mount /dev/sd*
[02:36] <robertj> hybrid: between the G5s and the iBook/Powerbook/iMac deaths I just cant recommend them to people
[02:36] <Azra`el> NoUse, even.
[02:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> robertj: ha
[02:36] <Azra`el> that's not what i needed, but thanks anyway.
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> yes alien will be much easier
[02:37] <vbgunz> truly awesome, everyone have a great day or night ;)
[02:37] <konra`> anyone know how to install php5 on ubuntu?
[02:37] <sockpuppe1> I just installed blackbox, should I ditch it for fluxbox?
[02:37] <robertj> Would I rather have a Dell on my desktop? No, I like OS X, but would I pay extra or buy one if I knew it wouldn't be fixed without me having to pay for it? No.
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> konra`: search *ynaptic
[02:37] <konra`> hybrid_goth, there are no php5 packages
[02:37] <konra`> I looked
[02:38] <hybrid_goth> konra`: really?
[02:38] <konra`> and I have universe/multiverse enabled
[02:38] <hybrid_goth> weird
[02:38] <robertj> But anyway, that's my grump
[02:38] <konra`> only php4
[02:38] <robertj> Anyone here have a G5 with a radeon that they have in dual-head mirror mode?
[02:38] <solee> How does it come that the antialising on Ubuntu(hoary) is much sharper(more black than gray) than the fonts with AA in other distributions?
[02:38] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: source install: http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/
[02:38] <Webby`> hybrid_goth: Thanks!
[02:39] <spiderworm> gimpshop?
[02:39] <sockpuppe1> so what is your folks thoughts over my question
[02:39] <jo_e> how can I stop having to sudo to eject?
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> Webby`: np
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> spiderworm: gimp to look like photoshop
[02:39] <konra`> jo_e, don't mount the disk as su
[02:39] <nalioth> Webby`: the source install is the best way
[02:39] <spiderworm> nice
[02:39] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: it needs some weird ass packages thopugh
[02:39] <jo_e> konra`, how do I avoid doing that?
[02:40] <transgress> hmm is there a package for hdiutil?
[02:40] <nalioth> jo_e: it's that way for security reasons
[02:40] <sockpuppe1> nalioth what you think?
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> s/thopugh/though
[02:40] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: really?
[02:40] <Bad_Magic> I am having a hard time getting my drivers working in ndiswrapper, using the card BCM4309, I am using the .inf suggested in the wiki and it keeps telling me they are invalid drivers... any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: XML::Parser
[02:40] <nalioth> transgress: use synaptic and search, or see packages.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <jo_e> nalioth, it only began happening after I enabled DMA... but I have disabled it again
[02:40] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: oh yeah, perl pkgs (cpan.org)
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: yes i hate that package
[02:41] <DewDude> so, i'm guessing i have to compile libdvdcss2 myself since nothing came up in the repositories
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> DewDude: you can compile a lib?
[02:41] <DewDude> i don't know
[02:41] <konra`> enable universe/multivere
[02:41] <konra`> I got it from there
[02:41] <nalioth> !info libdvdcss2
[02:41] <DewDude> i did
[02:41] <konra`> hmm.
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> DewDude: you dont compile a lib
[02:41] <Bad_Magic> also, anyone know a quick way to check my resolution in gnome? =x
[02:41] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: correct me if i am wrong
[02:41] <nalioth> DewDude: its in the repos
[02:42] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: yes, you compile everything libs, binarys, etc
[02:42] <konra`> portable abstraction library for DVD decryption
[02:42] <konra`> The libdvdcss library provides a portable abstraction for DVD decryption,
[02:42] <konra`> with a simple API to access a DVD device as a block device.
[02:42] <konra`> This package contains the libdvdcss2 runtime library.
[02:42] <sockpuppe1> nalioth should I stick with blackbox or should I head to fluxbox???
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: but arent libs just files?
[02:42] <nalioth> sockpuppe1: that is entirely up to you (use what you are comfortable with)
[02:42] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: libs = librarys
[02:42] <konra`> hybrid_goth, programs are just files too
[02:42] <DewDude> nothing comes up in search
[02:42] <DewDude> universe IS activated
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: i know
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> true
[02:43] <sockpuppe1> is one better than the other
[02:43] <nalioth> DewDude: reload your apt-get
[02:43] <sockpuppe1> ?
[02:43] <konra`> yeah
[02:43] <nalioth> DewDude: you need multiverse
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: nah
[02:43] <DewDude> oh
[02:43] <nalioth> sockpuppe1: there are dozens of desktop manglers to choose from
[02:43] <DewDude> lovely
[02:43] <DewDude> so much for the wonderful guides
[02:43] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone suggest a programme for a brute-force approach to cracking a passworded zip file?
[02:43] <sexcopter8000m> have been set a challenge :)
[02:43] <nalioth> sockpuppe1: try them all, use what you like
[02:43] <sockpuppe1> nalioth let me in on them
[02:43] <sockpuppe1> what else is there
[02:44] <sockpuppe1> i have enlightenment dr17
[02:44] <sockpuppe1> gnome
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: i like XFCE
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> flux is nice
[02:44] <nalioth> sockpuppe1: packages.ubuntu.com   search "desktop"
[02:44] <sockpuppe1> im running xfce4 bere
[02:44] <sockpuppe1> here
[02:44] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: we dont condone that sort of thing in here
[02:44] <sexcopter8000m> nalioth: it's not malicious :(
[02:45] <nalioth> sexcopter8000m: not the point.
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: its is all in your head
[02:45] <sexcopter8000m> nalioth: bah, ok
[02:45] <sockpuppe1> lol
[02:46] <vader1102> hehehe I got a good one for who ever...when using the wirelss, I cannot send email, when using the wired I can....any ideas?
[02:46] <konra`> sexcopter8000m, an encoded zip file?
[02:47] <kspath> xfce fvwm openbox3 are all nice for various reason   there are so many other nice ones though
[02:47] <konra`> gnome :p
[02:47] <DewDude> there we go
[02:47] <FuzzyTheBear> how about e17 ?
[02:47] <konra`> I will say though, that you are free to use whichever window manager you want
[02:48] <sockpuppe1> e17 is pretty cool
[02:48] <konra`> just imho gnome is best
[02:48] <sockpuppe1> lots of devel tho
[02:48] <FuzzyTheBear> from what i saw yes..  on a forum there's a how to also for it
[02:48] <jfosa> i'm getting fed up with the audio problems.. isn't there some way i can place a file from linux into my windows partition?
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> i like Xfce for the ease of using KDE programs with it
[02:48] <nalioth> !tell jfosa about windowsdrives
[02:48] <FuzzyTheBear> menu integration ?
[02:48] <konra`> jfosa: try "killall esd" in CLI before running the problematic audio thing
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> jfosa: yea burn it to a cd
[02:48] <Bad_Magic> jfosa: make a fat32 partition and put it there?
[02:48] <jfosa> konra`: yeah i tried that
[02:49] <konra`> ah.
[02:49] <nalioth> jfosa: if you are running an NTFS windows partition, i'm afraid you are out of luck
[02:49] <jfosa> nalioth: i am out of luck
[02:49] <nalioth> jfosa: writing to NTFS from linux is a good first step to an all linux box
[02:49] <jfosa> konra`: which video player do you have?
[02:49] <konra`> totem, the one that comes with ubuntu
[02:49] <konra`> do you have w32codecs ?
[02:50] <jfosa> i don't know how to extract things to different directories :(
[02:50] <jfosa> i downloaded the ones on the Mplayer site
[02:50] <konra`> ah.
[02:50] <konra`> I tried, but never got mplayer working
[02:50] <konra`> !mplayer
[02:50] <ubotu> well, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:50] <spiderworm> hey all, im running a 64 bit system and certain packages are a version or two behind the most recent versions of the software, such as the blender (currently have 2.36, 2.37a is available), and scorched3d (running an older version and there are no longer any servers that i can play on with my older version)... is there a place with the latest versions that im not finding?
[02:51] <nalioth> jfosa: use nautilus or konqueror
[02:51] <nalioth> spiderworm: you'll have to build from source
[02:51] <nalioth> spiderworm: have apt-get build them from the source repos for you
[02:51] <FuzzyTheBear> tcblo
[02:52] <spiderworm> nalioth: whys that?  why not just add updated packages to the repos?
[02:52] <setite> whats scorched3d
[02:52] <spiderworm> setite: download it if you've got good 3d acceleration, its fun
[02:52] <hybrid_goth> konra`: i used source for mplayer
[02:52] <hybrid_goth> worked perfect
[02:52] <Bad_Magic> Anyone tell me how to check what my current resolution is?
[02:53] <setite> ill check it out
[02:53] <setite> but that reminds me
[02:53] <setite> !ati
[02:53] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> haha
[02:53] <neighborlee> why the heck an I being pushed into ubuntu-unregged instead of main ubuntu chanel..and YES I am a registered member of freenode
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> like, totally
[02:53] <neighborlee> and under serverlist I have: /msg nickserv identify mypassword..so this makes no sense
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> neighborlee: how did you get in here
[02:54] <setite> gotta install that as soon as kubuntu is done installing
[02:54] <Bubblefly> Woot~
[02:54] <setite> im back to linux once again
[02:54] <setite> jesus this is like the 5th time ive come back after quitting it
[02:54] <neighborlee> hybrid_goth, typed it manually via /join
[02:54] <number2178> i have about 50 tar files in folder. how can i "untar" them with one command ? i tried piping from  <find .> but failed
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> neighborlee: but an auto join doesnt work?
[02:55] <number2178> any ideas ?
[02:55] <neighborlee> hybrid_goth, oddly no it does not
[02:55] <zblach> hey, is there any quick command to open up a terminal from nautilus?
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> neighborlee: err tar *
[02:55] <NoUse> neighborlee your irc client might be trying to join #ubuntu before msg NickServ
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> zblach: haha a command to open a command line
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> ?
[02:55] <zblach> lol. meant some keyboard shortcut
[02:55] <setite> do you guys suggest me using gedit, the xserver reconfig, or sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:55] <neighborlee> nouse, possibly I dunno..ubuntu is theonly channel acting like this though
[02:55] <number2178> i tried tar -xf *.tar
[02:55] <number2178> TAR returns  Not found in archive
[02:55] <neighborlee> nouse, xchat here
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> zblach: iirc it is like f10 or something
[02:56] <sockpuppe1> use xchat
[02:56] <sockpuppe1> gaim gets all crazy
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> use irssi
[02:56] <sockpuppe1> or issi
[02:56] <sockpuppe1> lol
[02:56] <sockpuppe1> irssi*
[02:56] <nalioths_dog> nalioth loves his powermac
[02:56] <nalioths_dog> esp when it locks solid
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> nalioths_dog: huh?
[02:57] <zblach> hybrid_goth, ???
[02:57] <sockpuppe1> man I hear you can run mac on x86 easy
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> zblach: nvm
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: not real easy
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: most require emulation at first
[02:57] <nalioths_dog> konqueror seems to trigger a "lockup" of my powermac (can't ssh in or anything)
[02:57] <sockpuppe1> i hear there is an x86 version of the os floating around
[02:58] <bimberi> zblach: set one up via System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Run a Terminal (disabled by default)
[02:58] <vader1102> I have a mac running Ubuntu where I volunteer, it is awesome
[02:58] <sockpuppe1> vader wow
[02:58] <jfosa> linux can be overwhelming..
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> nalioths_dog: ouch. thats what you get for using a GUI
[02:58] <nalioths_dog> nalioth will have to find a file mangler that doesnt suck
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> sockpuppe1: kinda sorta
[02:58] <nalioths_dog> hybrid_goth, i'll deal with your attitude later
[02:58] <kspath> I am on my iBook running ubuntu PPC now
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> vader1102: my ibook runs ubuntu
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> nalioths_dog: hehe
[02:58] <jfosa> i'm so used to windows that having so much control is almost making me dizzy
[02:58] <vader1102> it is quite nice isn't it?
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> here puppy puppy puppy
[02:59] <sockpuppe1> LOL
[02:59] <vader1102> lol
[02:59] <bimberi> jfosa: there is a learning curve, steep at times, but rewarding (and sometimes fun)
[02:59] <nalioths_dog> jfosa, you'll get used to it
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> jfosa: haha
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> vader1102: yup
[02:59] <sockpuppe1> whats fvwm-gnome
[02:59] <vader1102> I have turned it into my workstation
[02:59] <zblach> bimberi, thanks
[02:59] <number2178> both bzip2 and gzip worked with *.[extension] , but not TRA
[02:59] <number2178> TAR
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> vader1102: osk ubuntu dual boot is heaven
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> there is nothing you cant do
[03:00] <kspath> my ubuntu PPC iBook is my workstation as well
[03:00] <bimberi> zblach: yw :) - btw i used <ctrl><alt>T
[03:00] <sockpuppe1> I dualboot
[03:00] <vader1102> I don't have dual boot but may try that in the next few weeks
[03:00] <kspath> I dumped MacOSX
[03:00] <number2178> this should be something very simple, i am just a newbie in Linux and most likely do not use piping correctly
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> kspath: ubuntu is better
[03:01] <vader1102> I have a dual boot between server 2003 and ubuntu bit not mac yet
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> but somethings dont work with PPC linux
[03:01] <vader1102> but^^
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> i.e. Skype
[03:01] <DewDude> i'll be upset if this thing is too slow to play a DVD
[03:01] <kspath> kino quits on me but I have been too lazy to determine why   otherwise I can do everything I could in MacOSX plus more
[03:01] <vader1102> hmmmmm... will send the mac home with the boss and see if he can get skype to work for him
[03:02] <zblach> bimberi, nice idea, but it'd help to be a terminal in the same folder. i.e. with the same path
[03:02] <DewDude> there is no skype for linux-PPC
[03:02] <zblach> can it be done?
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> DewDude: nope
[03:02] <nalioths_dog> DewDude, what hardware?
[03:02] <konra`> can breezy ship with tuxracer?
[03:02] <vader1102> hmmmmmm that is wierd....
[03:02] <hybrid_goth> kspath: hehe
[03:03] <kspath> I can use my Plextor DVD/CD burner and my epson stylus scan 2500  multifunction  scanner/printer perfectly when I could NOT in MacOSX
[03:03] <sockpuppe1> you know what
[03:03] <sockpuppe1> maybe ill dualboot with slackware
[03:03] <DewDude> nalioths_dog: it's an 400mhz iMac G3 DV
[03:03] <DewDude> it plays
[03:03] <DewDude> it's skipping
[03:03] <bimberi> zblach: not to my knowledge
[03:03] <bimberi> :|
[03:03] <CarlFK> there is http://www.openwengo.com for OSX
[03:03] <DewDude> that COULD be DMA
[03:03] <kspath> Apple wanted 130$ for a silly update     Ubuntu was free free free and works
[03:03] <nalioths_dog> DewDude, it'll play a dvd (hardware wise, anyway)
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> DewDude: did it come with a DVD drive?
[03:03] <DewDude> yes
[03:04] <CarlFK> for whoever wanted a voip app for the mac
[03:04] <DewDude> however, just because it'll play a DVD using macOS...doesn't mean it'll play one under linux
[03:04] <ubuntu-asker> !kernel
[03:04] <DewDude> i THOUGHT i enabled DMA
[03:04] <nalioths_dog> DewDude, once you install all the software required, it'll play
[03:04] <DewDude> well
[03:04] <DewDude> xine brings it up
[03:04] <DewDude> it just starts skipping
[03:05] <ubuntu-asker> hello, pls somebody can explain me the process of compile a kernel on ubuntu? is the same as other distros? download the source from kernel.org and make menuconfig?
[03:05] <DewDude> no
[03:05] <DewDude> ubuntu comes with a pre-compiled kernel
[03:05] <CarlFK> DewDude - look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats under dvd-vid
[03:06] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - why do you want to compile a kernel?
[03:06] <sockpuppe1> how do I enable dma?
[03:06] <CarlFK> sockpuppe1 - look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats under dvd-vid
[03:06] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, the question must be... why i dont?
[03:06] <DewDude> Carl: i installed all that
[03:06] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - because you don't need to
[03:07] <nalioths_dog> ubuntu-asker, use ubuntu kernel sources, for best results
[03:07] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, first, the kernel is full of modules (unnesesary), and second my sound doesnt work
[03:07] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - don't mess with the kernel for best resutls ;)
[03:07] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, on the contrary... compile the kernel for BEST results
[03:08] <sockpuppe1> Inappropriate ioctl for device.... what he hell is that?
[03:08] <DewDude> it's just not fast enough
[03:08] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - depends on your idea of BEST.
[03:09] <ubuntu-asker> i want to know if there is some "kernel fancy compile gui" to do that, using the actual kernel, so i dont mess with the headers...
[03:09] <nalioths_dog> !tell sockpuppe1 about dma
[03:09] <spiderworm> hey all is there a package for the lufs sshfs plugin?  i cant seem to find it on the repos...
[03:09] <No1Viking> !tell me about dma
[03:09] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, are you saying that a "precompiled" kernel is BEST than the one i can compile???
[03:09] <ubuntu-asker> *better
[03:10] <sockpuppe1> well mabe there us a better question
[03:10] <number2178> ok, i solved the problem. i created a list of files with find . > list and edited it - replaced ./ with  tar -xf
[03:10] <nalioths_dog> ubuntu-asker, you are not gonna see much of a difference
[03:10] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - no.  I am saying your overall linux experianc will be best if you just use what works.  if you need to fix sound, fix sound, not "everything"
[03:10] <sockpuppe1> nalioth can I pm you
[03:11] <nalioths_dog> nalioth will return shortly
[03:11] <konra`> ubuntu-asker, IF you can compile one :p
[03:11] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - if you want the kind of BEST you are looking for, become a kernel developer and make sure it it optimized for all the hardware you use.
[03:11] <alfzer0> I need some help with compiling a kernel module while using a custom kernel I installed from a .deb.  I think the guy that created the deb screwed up on the symlinks and EXTRAVERSION but I can't get my head around it
[03:11] <jfosa> i've never wanted to run bawling into my girlfriends arms when something worked before
[03:12] <konra`> wrong chan?
[03:12] <CarlFK> when the radio in my car has trouble, I don't rebuild my engine.
[03:12] <konra`> ah.
[03:12] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, i only want to know how can i do that on ubuntu without fear
[03:12] <konra`> lol
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> who asked of OSx86?
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> http://www.cyberia.in/blog/?p=176
[03:13] <DewDude> mmmmm...tasty mids :)
[03:13] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - there is a package you can install that has the patched srouces
[03:14] <CarlFK> but I found that was GENerally TOO much trouble
[03:14] <c0rrupt_> Hello, i need an exe extractor
[03:14] <DewDude> heh
[03:14] <c0rrupt_> like an installer
[03:14] <DewDude> CarlFK: nice
[03:14] <IcemanV9> lol @ CarlFK, how true
[03:14] <DewDude> before ubuntu..i tried doing gentoo
[03:14] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, i have no problem to leave this kernel, but there is a lot of modules that i dont need and i have no sound
[03:15] <DewDude> then someone said if i had a ppc that ubuntu would give me best hardware support
[03:15] <nalioth> DewDude: your mac should be fully supported
[03:15] <nalioth> sockpuppe1: what did you need?
[03:15] <DewDude> the only thing that's buggy is video
[03:15] <DewDude> and that's only DRI
[03:15] <sockpuppe1> you know whats funny? there is this distro which is just enlightenment dr17, but the whacky thing is that it automatically turns dma on if it is supported
[03:15] <sockpuppe1> nalioth I cant seem to get dma on
[03:16] <WolfPac_Ite> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you log in to Ubuntu for the first time? :\
[03:16] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, this system is for my bro so he can play games with cedega, so i only want a easy thing that just work (thats is why i installed ubuntu on his suystem)
[03:16] <NoUse> c0rrupt_ you might try wine
[03:16] <sockpuppe1> and I know my cd/dvd can use it
[03:16] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite use the username/password you set up during installation
[03:16] <WolfPac_Ite> Oh, heh.
[03:16] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks.
[03:16] <ubuntu-asker> CarlFK, so, how is the "normal" process to compile a kernel (or recompile the one im using right now)
[03:17] <WolfPac_Ite> I kind of feel stupid...
[03:17] <aru> WolfPac_Ite: no reason to :)
[03:17] <vader1102> WolfPac_Ite,  I still ask the stupid ones lol
[03:17] <NoUse> !kernelcompile
[03:17] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[03:17] <IcemanV9> sockpuppe1: hdparm will turn dma on
[03:17] <CarlFK> ubuntu-asker - yeah, that.
[03:17] <DewDude> nah, don't feel stupid
[03:18] <DewDude> i'm sure some of the stuff i've asked/said could be found easily using google..i'm just a Nix-Tard
[03:18] <ubuntu-asker> NoUse, thanks i try with !kernel
[03:18] <aru> WolfPac_Ite: next to google, asking questions is the easiest way to learn :)
[03:18] <DewDude> and i'm trying to overcome that
[03:18] <DewDude> then again, i'm trying to learn linux on a ppc system..but..meh
[03:18] <jo_e> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.: do I need ide-scsi module?
[03:18] <MDM> Anyone know how or where do I put programs I want to startup in XFCE4?
[03:18] <WolfPac_Ite> I always over-complicate things. :(
[03:18] <NoUse> DewDude I'm tempted to get a Mac Mini and dual boot it MAcOS and Ubuntu
[03:19] <DewDude> i'd dual-boot if i knew anything about macs and the way they boot
[03:19] <DewDude> i'm surprised i got this thing to boot
[03:19] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with win2k & qemu??
[03:19] <NoUse> DewDude haha
[03:19] <DewDude> i've heard that mac hardware doesn't like booting non-apple software
[03:19] <DewDude> and it took me three tries to get it to not spit the kubuntu disc at me
[03:20] <NoUse> DewDude well what fun would it be if it worked without a hitch :-)
[03:20] <nalioth> DewDude: dual booting your mac is easy
[03:20] <DewDude> nalioth: it sounds tempting
[03:20] <DewDude> i've only got a 10 gig drive in here
[03:20] <DewDude> i'm sure OSX takes up a huge chunk of disk
[03:20] <Bad_Magic> yay i got ndiswrapper working
[03:20] <nalioth> DewDude: hybrid_goth knows everything there is to know about dual booting macs, heh
[03:20] <Bad_Magic> =0
[03:21] <vader1102> Bad_Magic, congrats
[03:21] <spiderworm> hi all im trying to mount an sftp connection using lufs but its not working, can anyone help?
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> not sure what exactly i did, but it now shows hardware working and can bring eth0 up
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> good enough for me
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> =x
[03:21] <DewDude> see, i only took this thing because my sister owes me money
[03:21] <DewDude> and on top of that i had to give her my spare PC
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> er not eth0
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> whatever
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> =P
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> wlan0
[03:21] <Bad_Magic> =)
[03:21] <DewDude> it's not the best hardware in the world...at the same time..it's a small system i could use to learn linux on
[03:22] <Bad_Magic> is there a scanning agent built into ubuntu for essids?
[03:22] <vader1102> DewDude, it is nice to see that you got the kubuntu ISO downloaded and burnt
[03:22] <nalioth> DewDude: you are in the best possible state. you mac is FULLY supported under ubuntu
[03:22] <vader1102> Bad_Magic, iwlist scan
[03:22] <daggie> How good is Ubuntu's wireless pcmcia card support? I have a Linksys G notbook adapter, and Curious how involved getting that to work will be.
[03:22] <alfzer0> sudo modprobe ipw2200; FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.1007072005.win4lin/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Invalid module format.    I'm running a patched 2.6.10 686 Ubuntu kernel to give support for win4lin, however, I can't compile my nic kernel module correctly now.  When I run modinfo on ipw2200, vermagic is "2.6.10-5-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3" but based on other modules it should be "2.6.1007072005.win4lin preem
[03:22] <alfzer0> pt 686 gcc-3.3", any help?
[03:22] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, use kismet or just use iwlist --scan
[03:23] <DewDude> nalioth: what about the crashing i've read about when enabling DRI on the Ati Rage 128?
[03:23] <DewDude> vader: this mac spit the disc out twice
[03:23] <DewDude> but, it did take it
[03:23] <DewDude> and once it read it, installed without a hitch
[03:23] <DewDude> i haven't put it back in since it ejected, don't think there's a real need anyway since i can get packages via http/ftp
[03:23] <vader1102> still, thats what it's all about...having it work right
[03:23] <DewDude> well
[03:24] <DewDude> there's a few things that don't
[03:24] <DewDude> stuff i've got to get used to
[03:24] <Bad_Magic> kismet?
[03:24] <codecaine> 07072005 was my bday :)
[03:25] <DewDude> i mean, the dedicated server i'm on runs gentoo...but i didn't have to configure that
[03:25] <codecaine> kismet has alot of advanced features for wireless
[03:25] <nalioth> DewDude: i have no clue about DRI
[03:25] <DewDude> most of what i've done there is emerging stuff and maybe editing a few config files
[03:25] <Bad_Magic> is it installed by default? or do i need to install it
[03:25] <ksmurf> is there a flag I use on glxgears to show frame rates?
[03:25] <DewDude> the last actual distro i ran was archlinux..last year..i gave up after i needed windows for full sound support
[03:25] <neighborlee> ksmurf, it shows it in the terminal where you ran it
[03:25] <codecaine> alfzer0, did you try removing the previous module install first by doing a make clean etc..?
[03:25] <DewDude> this iMac doesn't need full sound...so
[03:26] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, need to install kismet but you can just do iwlist --scan i believe
[03:26] <alfzer0> yup
[03:26] <DewDude> i figure i'll keep linux on there cuz i'm lazy and doubt tiger would run very well on it
[03:26] <Bad_Magic> im all for gui
[03:26] <Bad_Magic> especially as a noob
[03:26] <ksmurf> neighborlee .... not right in breezy.  It runs but no frame rates
[03:26] <Bad_Magic> so ill try kismet =P
[03:26] <vader1102> <----downloading kismet right now to look at it
[03:26] <neighborlee> ksmurf, well thats odd..first i've ever heard of such a thing
[03:26] <dducko> Anyone here ran NWN on Ubuntu?
[03:26] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, kismet is curses based and it takes some config reading to make it work with your wireless card, but not really difficult at all
[03:27] <tom17h> forgive the annoying question -- is it still a very bad idea to apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary to breezy, or has it become merely a mildly bad idea? I'm pretty interested in seeing/testing the latest gtk/GNOME stuff, but don't want to destroy my system :)
[03:27] <ksmurf> neighborlee .... that's why I am looking for flags
[03:27] <codecaine> tom17h, i'd wait
[03:27] <Bad_Magic> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[03:27] <alfzer0> codecaine - im pretty sure i need to do something to the EXTRAVERSION line in a Makefile to get the vermagic line to be correct when I run modinfo on the module I compile
[03:28] <tom17h> codecaine: ok. have you tried it?
[03:28] <alfzer0> i just don't know which one, and if my symlinks are setup correctly
[03:28] <neighborlee> ksmurf, running it in gnome-terminal ?
[03:28] <NoHope> hello all
[03:28] <ksmurf> yes
[03:28] <jdub> tom17h: shouldn't be too bad right now
[03:28] <codecaine> the latest milestone colony3
[03:28] <WolfPac_Ite> Is learning the console commands hard?
[03:28] <jdub> tom17h: it's a pretty smooth upgrade
[03:28] <codecaine> WolfPac_Ite, no
[03:28] <NoHope> WolfPac_Ite, sure no.
[03:28] <MDM> what application does Gnome use to start programs at startup?
[03:28] <ksmurf> fresh install of breezy with nvidia-glx
[03:28] <Bad_Magic> hmm, iwlist scan comes up with no results... odd considering i know there are at least 2 APs in range
[03:28] <WolfPac_Ite> Good. :)
[03:28] <codecaine> WolfPac_Ite, just do man <commandname> to learnthem
[03:28] <NoHope> WolfPac_Ite, try some tutos in the net.
[03:28] <jdub> tom17h: and breezy is working nicely atm
[03:28] <grspr> i run ubuntu hoary on a ppc, what videoplayer would be easy to install?
[03:29] <jdub> MDM: gnome-session
[03:29] <ksmurf> vlc
[03:29] <MDM> thanks jdub!
[03:29] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks guys for all help.
[03:29] <jdub> grspr: you've got totem, you might want to try totem-xine
[03:29] <NoHope> WolfPac_Ite, english? I know a very good tutorial in Portuguese.
[03:29] <DewDude> i didn't have a problem installing of them
[03:29] <tom17h> jdub: a bit over a week ago I tried & there was some X problems. I ended up reinstalling hoary.
[03:29] <ksmurf> MDM sessiond
[03:29] <ksmurf> MDM sessions
[03:29] <NoHope> grspr, I like totem and gxine.
[03:29] <MDM> ok
[03:29] <grspr> jdub where do i find totem xine?
[03:29] <WolfPac_Ite> English yes.
[03:29] <codecaine> alfzer0, i'm not really sure
[03:29] <nalioth> grspr: any of them
[03:29] <ksmurf> grspr vlc
[03:29] <NoHope> GregAsche, apt-get
[03:29] <jdub> MDM: the correct answer is gnome-session
[03:29] <NoHope> GregAsche, ops... wrong message.
[03:29] <NoHope> grspr, try apt-get install totem
[03:30] <ksmurf> neighborlee .... any ideas?
[03:30] <codecaine> tom17h, should be fairly safe for the next colony release
[03:30] <neighborlee> ksmurf, nope none
[03:30] <grspr> i dont have internet on the computer im using, so i cant apt get
[03:30] <tom17h> Thanks.
[03:30] <Bad_Magic> cant you download the package to one computer and just move it to the other then apt-get?
[03:30] <grspr> on the computer that i have ubuntu on...
[03:30] <codecaine> alfzer0, try going to an irc channel related to that wireless chip
[03:30] <NoHope> grspr, you must have to download it from the web. You can download the sources from the official website, burn in a cd and compile install on ubuntu.
[03:30] <codecaine> alfzer0, or get on the ipw2200 forums im sure you'll find the answer
[03:30] <MDM> yep so it is gnome-session
[03:31] <alfzer0> will do
[03:31] <DewDude> you know what blows...i got 59 gigs of music to convert to q4ogg and burn..and i got 3 hours to do it in
[03:31] <grspr> NoHope yea, but where is the file at? =)
[03:31] <WolfPac_Ite> I'm usually on the other end of stick when it comes to windows/network/hardware help. Ironic eh?
[03:31] <grspr> i cant find totem xine for ppc.
[03:31] <NoHope> google gxine
[03:31] <kevogod> DewDude: You are transcoding? Eww
[03:31] <codecaine> alfzer0, did you also dbl check to make sure no lingering ipw2200.ko laying around?
[03:31] <NoHope> grspr, do you know how to compile the sources?
[03:31] <DewDude> kevogod: yes, please, allow me to explain
[03:32] <DewDude> my portable player won't do flac or musepac
[03:32] <DewDude> or mp4 for that matter
[03:32] <Epix> SHIT!
[03:32] <codecaine> DewDude, not happening man heh
[03:32] <nalioth> grspr: are you using synaptic?
[03:32] <DewDude> i know
[03:32] <Epix> im getting a kernel panic on init
[03:32] <alfzer0> codecaine: ya, there is some scripts that come with the driver to remove old version
[03:32] <grspr> NoHope ive done that.
[03:32] <DewDude> i'd have to get my dad's cpu in the mix
[03:32] <Bad_Magic> anyone have any idea why iwlist scan brings up nothing when there are definitely APs in range?
[03:32] <Epix> i just put in a new CDROM drive
[03:32] <codecaine> alfzer0, ok
[03:32] <Epix> BIOS doesnt detect it
[03:32] <grspr> nalioth i can because i dont have any internet
[03:32] <codecaine> alfzer0, just confused because i see its compiling against your custom kernel
[03:32] <NoHope> grspr, don't [./configure; make; make install]  work?
[03:32] <Epix> Kernel panic says: not syncing Attempted to kill INIT
[03:33] <kevogod> DewDude: Is most of your music FLAC?
[03:33] <DewDude> but, i transcode only when it's for portable player purposes
[03:33] <nalioth> grspr: when you get internet and can update your sources, you'll see totem-xine
[03:33] <DewDude> kevo: a bit
[03:33] <Epix> help!
[03:33] <codecaine> Epix, try starting the kernel with noapic acpi=off
[03:33] <DewDude> lot of it is MPC
[03:33] <alfzer0> codecaine - actually, i think its trying to compile against the original kernel and not the custom one
[03:33] <grspr> NoHope probably, but i dont have the gxine source. =)
[03:33] <Epix> codecaine: could it be because i have 2 master drives on the same cable?
[03:33] <codecaine> DewDude, i would think you would use mp3 for portable and ogg on your linux if anything?
[03:33] <DewDude> no
[03:33] <codecaine> DewDude, because of proprietary crap
[03:34] <NoHope> grspr, ah... one minute.
[03:34] <DewDude> my portable supports ogg
[03:34] <DewDude> somewhat
[03:34] <codecaine> even though some mp3 players support ogg
[03:34] <DewDude> i flashed mine with the korean firmware
[03:34] <DewDude> it plays ogg
[03:34] <DewDude> just..not high bitrate and not low bitrate
[03:34] <NoHope> grspr, http://xinehq.de/index.php/releases
[03:34] <codecaine> alfzer0, you must be right because of the results, can't you watch your compile to see which kernel libs its using?
[03:34] <NoHope> grspr, a lot of "xines" for you.
[03:34] <virgule> hello help me use that USB key I need to put a file in it
[03:34] <DewDude> however since the integer decoder came out...iriver MIGHT be able to do something about that, if they're still working on the code for thier iriver CD units
[03:34] <grspr> NoHope thx
[03:34] <ksmurf> neighborlee .... 400 = fps in ppracer.  what other tests should I run?
[03:34] <IcemanV9> yo, is there another CLI command to find out which /dev for CD or/and DVD drives?? besides dmesg?
[03:35] <NoHope> grspr, yw
[03:35] <codecaine> DewDude, what mp3 plyr u got?
[03:35] <DewDude> iRiver "SlimX" imp-359
[03:35] <DewDude> err
[03:35] <DewDude> 350
[03:35] <DewDude> see..the linux machine SHOULD play everything natively
[03:35] <alfzer0> codecaine: ya, im about to again, i made a change to a Makefile to see if tthat would fix it, one sec while i recompile
[03:35] <IcemanV9> dmesg is full of errors message now, so.
[03:35] <DewDude> at least when i had linux on my x86 i could play all my formats through XMMS flawlessly
[03:35] <DewDude> even APE
[03:35] <codecaine> Epix, i would definately change that
[03:35] <Epix> codecaine: but could it cause the rror
[03:35] <codecaine> DewDude, never used ape
[03:36] <DewDude> monkeys audio
[03:36] <codecaine> Epix, it may, im not sure
[03:36] <DewDude> came out before FLAC
[03:36] <Name1> I'm having some problems with font, clear type and resolutions in ubuntu. I have just installed the OS and set up drivers for my videocard. My monitor supports a resolution of max 1280x1024 and a refresh hz of 75. But i am not able to choose that resolution nor am i able to choose the 75 Hz. What could be the problem?
[03:36] <virgule> I need help for a USB key
[03:36] <DewDude> but was Windows only for a while
[03:36] <codecaine> DewDude, im not up with all the music formats, just familiar with ogg, mp3, flac, faad
[03:36] <wolki> hi!
[03:37] <DewDude> faad is an mpeg4 decoder
[03:37] <DewDude> not a format
[03:37] <Name1> The max resolution i can choose is 1024x768 @ 60 Hz.
[03:37] <codecaine> DewDude, see im not up on all that
[03:37] <DewDude> well
[03:37] <DewDude> see
[03:37] <DewDude> i kinda became an audio geek
[03:37] <DewDude> which prohibited earlier conversions to linux as audio support was nil
[03:37] <CarlFK> DewDude - have you checked out moose-pack?
[03:38] <DewDude> and even tho it's gotten better...i can't do stuff in linux that makes me money
[03:38] <DewDude> no
[03:38] <DewDude> errr
[03:38] <DewDude> heh
[03:38] <DewDude> you mean musepack?
[03:38] <codecaine> DewDude, agh so you familiar with rosegarden, audacity etc...?
[03:38] <codecaine> DewDude, do you use those for music stuff?
[03:38] <DewDude> yes
[03:38] <DewDude> i tried audicity
[03:38] <CarlFK> musepack - yea
[03:38] <wolki> i just dist-upgraded to breezy... things seem to work, but mono apps won't start. Tells me it can't find the required assemblies. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[03:38] <DewDude> it doesn't perform up to my expectations
[03:38] <sockpuppe1> big fan of audacity
[03:38] <sockpuppe1> but try wired
[03:38] <DewDude> CarlFK: funny story about that
[03:39] <codecaine> DewDude, what do u use on windows?
[03:39] <sockpuppe1> its pretty kickass
[03:39] <DewDude> i was around for the original betatests
[03:39] <codecaine> wired?
[03:39] <DewDude> codecaine: either Goldwave or Adobe Audition
[03:39] <alfzer0> codecaine: make -C /lib/modules/2.6.1007072005.win4lin/build M=/home/redsmurf/install_ipw2200/ipw2200-1.0.6 MODVERDIR=/home/redsmurf/install_ipw2200/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions modules
[03:39] <alfzer0> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686'
[03:39] <sockpuppe1> ill give you the link
[03:39] <virgule> Name1: do    gtf 1280 1024 75    in a terminal then paste the output as the last line of Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf - restart
[03:39] <codecaine> wired doesn't seem to be in repos, what's the site?
[03:39] <DewDude> i knew about musepack back when it was known as MpegPlus...and back when the original author was working on it
[03:39] <sockpuppe1> http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=1
[03:40] <Bad_Magic> figured oiut why kismet wouldnt start... cant use it with ndiswrapper --gg dell laptop
[03:40] <Bad_Magic> =\
[03:40] <codecaine> alfzer0, which kernel are u running on right now?
[03:40] <DewDude> hands-down the best lossy out there
[03:40] <codecaine> DewDude, what's musepack all about?
[03:40] <DewDude> well
[03:40] <Epix> FUCK
[03:40] <DewDude> high-quality lossy
[03:41] <DewDude> it's pure-VBR
[03:41] <aru> Epix: knock it off
[03:41] <Epix> i even unplugged a CDROM drive, no boot
[03:41] <alfzer0> codecaine: 2.6.1007072005.win4lin
[03:41] <Epix> aru: sorry
[03:41] <CarlFK> http://www.musepack.com
[03:41] <DewDude> it's based on the mpeg2 subband encoding method
[03:41] <alfzer0> codecaine: which is a patched ubuntu 2.6.10 686 kernel
[03:41] <DewDude> extensive physcoacoustic model revamps tho
[03:41] <DewDude> man..i remember when buschnell was working on those
[03:41] <codecaine> alfzer0, so its not a new kernel you built from scratch?
[03:42] <Bad_Magic> so, what ways are there to scan for wireless networks using a ndiswrapper card?
[03:42] <alfzer0> codecaine: i wish, i was having problems with patches, its a kenel i installed from a .deb from a guy on the ubuntuforums
[03:42] <CarlFK> Bad_Magic - wifi-radar
[03:42] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, i told u man
[03:42] <DewDude> it was designed to be transparent at lower-bitrates
[03:42] <Bad_Magic> kismet doesnt work
[03:42] <DewDude> it's "standard" profile sounds very good
[03:42] <Bad_Magic> and i didnt see anything with the other one
[03:42] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, check gnome-files.org for a gui interface
[03:42] <nalioths_dog> Epix, watch the language, please
[03:42] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, it needs to be configured that's why
[03:43] <Bad_Magic> you cant use ndiswrapper cards with kismet, straight from the authors keyboard
[03:43] <codecaine> agh
[03:43] <alfzer0> codecaine: unfortunately he didn't supply the source
[03:43] <codecaine> alfzer0, something's goofy with that patch, need to check the forums on that one, sorry
[03:44] <codecaine> alfzer0, not the patches issue but the patch is causing the problem heh if that makes sense
[03:44] <cliebow_> Bad_Magic did you read marvels artivle on wlassistant?
[03:44] <DewDude> codecaine: musepack is also the only lossy format that's capeable of not screwing up the first few seconds of Fatboy Slim - Kalifornia
[03:44] <Bad_Magic> no: hit me with a link?
[03:44] <codecaine> DewDude, not aware about Fatboy being famous for screwing up on any format heh
[03:44] <cliebow_> itis latest linux journal..marcel gagne//
[03:44] <DewDude> heh
[03:45] <DewDude> most don't
[03:45] <cliebow_> www.linuxjournal.com/article/8398
[03:45] <DewDude> but...it's quite a complex sound
[03:45] <Bad_Magic> thanks a ton clie
[03:45] <codecaine> Bad_Magic, gnome-files.org and search for wireless apps on their, you got a couple
[03:45] <DewDude> see...when mpc was being coded, and it got beta tested..we purposely sent difficult signals through it
[03:45] <Bad_Magic> www.gone-files.org can not be found?
[03:45] <DewDude> which they never did with mp3
[03:45] <Bad_Magic> er gnome
[03:45] <Bad_Magic> heh
[03:46] <alfzer0> codecaine: im a bit confused about one thing...what exactly are kernel-headers?  Is it just a dir of symlinks to the kernel source for each installed kernel?
[03:47] <codecaine> gnomefiles.org sorry
[03:47] <DewDude> i'm kind of a audiophile..i know audio
[03:47] <cliebow_> welcome
[03:47] <DewDude> i've got remastering credits
[03:47] <codecaine> DewDude, guess so :)
[03:47] <DewDude> street date TBA
[03:47] <DewDude> cuz
[03:47] <DewDude> heh..the CD hasn't even been pressed
[03:47] <Epix> NO! i restored the system to how it was before i made the modifications. and i get a DIFFERENT kernel panic!
[03:47] <DewDude> nor have i recieved money for my work
[03:47] <Epix> *cries*
[03:48] <codecaine> alfzer0, you don't need those really for your compiling
[03:48] <codecaine> alfzer0, they're only meant for userspace stuff
[03:48] <nalioth> Epix: livecd, backup your homedir, and take the easy way out
[03:48] <DewDude> however..i never did give the guy his DVD masters
[03:49] <alfzer0> codecaine: ah, so when compiling a kernel module, it should compile against the source, not the headers?
[03:49] <codecaine> by the doc says only some c libraries require them
[03:49] <Epix> This time it says: Modules linked in: CPU:0.... Not tainted VLI
[03:49] <Epix> and more, till Attempted to kill ini!
[03:49] <Epix> init!
[03:50] <codecaine> alfzer0, yeah you don't need headers, it compiles against source or your build which ever comes first in the script i believe but don't hold me to the ordering
[03:50] <wolki> rebooting
[03:50] <alfzer0> codecaine: thanks, that clears it up a bit
[03:50] <codecaine> DewDude, did that guy give link for wired?
[03:50] <DewDude> but, if you wanna get confused...ask me about my sound setup
[03:50] <DewDude> oh...i don't know
[03:50] <Epix> now i get the old error again :(
[03:50] <DewDude> i've been tryin to get my kubuntu box the way i want it and pack a bowl
[03:52] <codecaine> Epix, did you try using just one drive at the moment?
[03:52] <Epix> codecaine: yep
[03:52] <codecaine> Epix, older system/motherboard?
[03:52] <Xanthus7> I need to update my kernel headers to install a program what is the apt-get command for that please
[03:52] <alfzer0> codecaine: is it also possible that i have this problem because the guy that compiled the kernel did so with a different version of gcc?
[03:52] <Epix> codecaine: not really. AMD athlon 1ghz
[03:52] <Epix> codecaine: i forget the mobo model
[03:53] <Xanthus7> I need to update my kernel headers to install a program what is the apt-get command for that please
[03:54] <codecaine> alfzer0, not sure about that, you're patch did what to your system? what did it patch?
[03:55] <virgule> come on people.. give me some help I just need to put a file on a USB key-thingy but Im running in circle goole is lame pleeaaasse help me it should be easy?
[03:55] <alfzer0> codecaine: im not sure all of what it did, but i know it alters the mki_adapter module
[03:55] <codecaine> Epix, you can try the ubuntuforums.org to see if other people have similar issues and to see for a response
[03:55] <codecaine> alfzer0, doesn't sound to me gcc is the issue
[03:55] <bur[n] er> w00t... rhythmbox works in breezy again!!!
[03:55] <CarlFK> virgule -have you done lsusb?
[03:55] <codecaine> ipw2100 doesn't care about that module
[03:56] <bimberi> Xanthus7: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` (will install the headers)
[03:56] <virgule> ..just did it.. 3 line sof output
[03:57] <DewDude> whoa
[03:57] <alfzer0> codecaine: alright, I'll work on some stuff, thanks for the help
[03:57] <codecaine> virgule, unplug your device, plug it back in, then do dmesg
[03:57] <DewDude> there's electronics software
[03:57] <CarlFK> virgule - what is the line that shows the device?
[03:57] <codecaine> virgule, it should tell u something like uba -> uba1
[03:57] <codecaine> alfzer0, np
[03:57] <chiklit> Is there a default root password? Because it didn't ask me for one and now I can't log in as root.
[03:58] <Xanthus7> ty
[03:58] <virgule> i seam to mean its recognised as 'dick sdc'
[03:58] <codecaine> chiklit, you dont use root typically in ubuntu
[03:58] <codecaine> chiklit, you use sudo <command> and then type in your password
[03:59] <codecaine> virgule, there you go try to mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb
[03:59] <codecaine> virgule, create /mnt/usb first
[03:59] <CarlFK> codecaine - /media...
[03:59] <codecaine> chiklit, you can do sudo passwd to create one
[04:00] <chiklit> ok
[04:00] <codecaine> CarlFK, or /media im just use to /mnt/usb heh
[04:00] <postondb> Evening
[04:00] <codecaine> CarlFK, by putting it in /media it will show up in gnome desktop/nautilus correct?
[04:00] <djur> does anyone know how to install "csh" in ubuntu?
[04:00] <virgule> only root can do that --> normal? --It seam to work (no error messages.. I guess its in /mnt/usb/?
[04:00] <lunitik> !tell chiklit about root
[04:00] <CarlFK> codecaine - du know
[04:00] <virgule> it is!!
[04:00] <postondb> anyone know what's up with http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/ ?
[04:01] <codecaine> CarlFK, ?
[04:01] <virgule> hug codecaine
[04:01] <EasterSunshine> i am hearing everything i say into my mic on my speakers
[04:01] <EasterSunshine> how do i stop it?
[04:01] <lunitik> codecaine: don't tell people how to activate root in here... its not recommended or supported... instead point them at the wiki...
[04:01] <codecaine> virgule, :)
[04:01] <EasterSunshine> i looked for line-in optoins in kmix, couldn't find anything
[04:02] <codecaine> lunitik, sure
[04:02] <kairu0> lunitik: i learned how to activate root here and it made my life better
[04:02] <djur> I need CSH installed in order to install CUP so I can get my stupid brother MFC printer to work
[04:02] <djur> anyone know how to get CSH installed?
[04:02] <codecaine> EasterSunshine, turn down the gain?
[04:02] <djur> C shell that is
[04:02] <lunitik> codecaine: you'll note the wiki _does_ tell how to activate it... but explains better the Ubuntu Way (tm)
[04:02] <lunitik> kairu0: it really didn't though... you just think it did.
[04:03] <lunitik> kairu0: sudo -i  ... or sudo somecmd  is all you need... and you get to remember one less passwd
[04:03] <codecaine> lunitik, ok man
[04:03] <virgule> codecaine: now the filename is all messed up do you think it wills till work in winxp? its a .exe in ubuntu but its writen as .3_t in the usb key
[04:03] <lunitik> kairu0: not to mention... all configuration commands use gksudo... so you likely changed all of those also... hardly easier...
[04:04] <codecaine> virgule, wierd
[04:04] <kairu0> lunitik: i'm just telling you that i activated root and its made using linux easier for me
[04:04] <lunitik> codecaine: weird*
[04:04] <kairu0> lunitik: accept that some people like to use the account
[04:04] <codecaine> virgule, it won't modify the file you should be fine
[04:04] <virgule> ill check it out..hold on
[04:04] <lunitik> kairu0: you never gave sudo a chance... now its the first thing I do on other distro's...
[04:05] <postondb> anyone heard anything on when the http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/ mirror will be back up?
[04:05] <kairu0> lunitik: i dont need another alternative. i have root account working and i'm happy
[04:06] <lunitik> kairu0: the 60's were cool   :/
[04:07] <kairu0> lunitik: yeah whatever man
[04:07] <Epix> hmm, im wondering if this really is a issue with hardware. you see, just today i installed a whole load of updates off the ubuntu updater. I heard that this has fooled with some peoples GRUB installs. doesthis dound right? kernel /boot/vmlinux-... root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[04:08] <codecaine> yeup
[04:09] <djur> I know it's probably a really easy question...  but..  I can't find  CSH otherwise known as C Shell anywhere to install....
[04:09] <djur> any ideas?
[04:09] <Epix> codecaine: was that directed to me?
[04:10] <codecaine> djur, yeah you need to check repos man do sudo apt-get install csh
[04:10] <codecaine> Epix, ya
[04:10] <Epix> hm, in grub hd0,0 is /dev/hda1, right?
[04:10] <codecaine> most likely everyone is different but that's a standard setup yes
[04:10] <codecaine> with no other os installed
[04:10] <djur> codecaine repos?
[04:11] <postondb> csh is in the repos you get after you run the newbie install script
[04:11] <daggie> What is the easiest way to install the kernel source?
[04:11] <codecaine> djur, repos are where you install software.  use apt-get or synaptic to install the software
[04:11] <postondb> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:11] <_setite> hey how to i load a module automatically
[04:11] <_setite> i forget the file name
[04:11] <Epix> well, fuck.
[04:11] <daggie> compileing ndiswrapper, and I am not familer with Ubuntu.
[04:11] <codecaine> daggie, use system -> administration -> synaptic and search for kernel-source
[04:12] <_setite> i need this to automatically bedone "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1416 product=0x1110"
[04:12] <codecaine> _setite, /etc/modules
[04:12] <daggie> codecaine; doh stupid stupid menks amigo, tha
[04:12] <Madpilot> !tell djur about repos
[04:12] <_setite> also i need mknod -m 660 /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 and mknod -m 660 /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 1
[04:12] <_setite> thanks codecaine
[04:12] <_setite> do you knwo about the mknod?
[04:12] <Madpilot> djur: csh is in Ubuntu's Universe repo
[04:12] <codecaine> _setite, you can put that in a startup script
[04:13] <_setite> ok... yea i have a script here
[04:13] <_setite> im just not sure if it will worlk
[04:13] <Epix> Ok, that kernel panic spits  out the stack and something it calls code, which is a LOT of hex. eg: 89 c2 58 ...
[04:13] <_setite> last time i made a script it would just pop up in a text editor on startup
[04:13] <_setite> this script is for FC3
[04:13] <codecaine> _setite, put it in /etc/init.d make it executable
[04:13] <_setite> but it should work fine here right
[04:13] <_setite> executable
[04:13] <nalioth> Epix: please with the language
[04:14] <_setite> dont tell me how yet imma try to remember
[04:14] <Epix> nalioth: sorry... im just pissed
[04:14] <codecaine> Epix, feel your pain man but that don't help believe me
[04:14] <djur> woohoo..  printer working..  thanks codecaine
[04:14] <codecaine> Epix, i would post on ubuntuforums.org and be patient
[04:15] <codecaine> djur, csh needed for printer?
[04:15] <_setite> code can i pm you this script so oyu can tell me if it will work
[04:15] <_setite> or i can pastebin
[04:15] <codecaine> _setite, sure
[04:15] <_setite> !pastebin
[04:15] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:16] <djur> csh needed for unpacking utility necessary to install printer
[04:16] <_setite> ok pm sent
[04:16] <virgule> codecaine: it worked after a rename in XP. alright
[04:17] <codecaine> virgule, good deal :)
[04:17] <codecaine> djur, awesome
[04:17] <codecaine> djur, just by installing csh it unpacked?
[04:18] <_setite> codecaine: if that didnt work then http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1783
[04:19] <codecaine> _setite, i got it, you know what why dont you just run the script now and see if it goes, it looks fine to me
[04:19] <budluva> anyone here know if its possible to use gtk2 with wine or do i have to use gtk 1.2?
[04:19] <_setite> ok so add it to /etc/init.d
[04:19] <_setite> how to i make it executable
[04:19] <_setite> i can not remember...
[04:20] <codecaine> chmod u+x <script>
[04:20] <_setite> u+x or either
[04:20] <codecaine> adding execute for owner only
[04:23] <codecaine> im headed out g'nite all
[04:23] <Pickle_Weasel> what would my sound card be in /dev?
[04:23] <Pickle_Weasel> night
[04:24] <Epix> codecaine: oh ma god. adter that error, i wated a long time and got a new one, Fatal exception caught in interrupt
[04:24] <giard> hey all
[04:25] <kairu0> hey gia
[04:25] <giard> has anyone had probs with nvidia not loading in recent breezy?
[04:25] <Grat> i dont like you anymore
[04:25] <cafuego> giard: It's fine as of breezy amd64 right now with a 2.6.13 kernel.
[04:26] <giard> 2.6.13?
[04:26] <giard> ahh, I'm using 2.6.12
[04:26] <cafuego> 2.6.12 was fine, too
[04:26] <_setite> codecaine where are you
[04:26] <giard> hmmm, weird, I'm getting an error that says "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module"
[04:27] <giard> but I've already loaded it
[04:27] <Epix> what. ok first i had the attempted to kill init, then a fatal exception caught in interupt, and NOW: attempted to kill the idle task
[04:27] <Epix> wtfmates?
[04:27] <cafuego> Epix: Running out of ram?
[04:28] <Epix> cafuego: 256...
[04:28] <Epix> cafuego: on boot
[04:28] <cafuego> that's not much. How much swap?
[04:28] <Epix> cafuego: like, a gig
[04:28] <Epix> but the error is on boot
[04:28] <Epix> what error will i get this time
[04:29] <Epix> hmm
[04:29] <Epix> wait
[04:29] <Epix> i added some ram
[04:29] <cafuego> Did you compile your own kernel?
[04:29] <Epix> maybe i didnt push it in or something
[04:29] <cafuego> Is the ram OK? Did you test it? Is the CPU overheating?
[04:30] <toxicle> hello guys :)
[04:31] <daggie> Ok sorry for the questions again, but synaptic does not have the source code for the kernel I am using 2.6... it only appears to have 2.4... is there another medium by which i can get the source?
[04:31] <toxicle> i need some help installing apps
[04:31] <giard> okay, that's kinda odd
[04:31] <giard> the nvidia module is in volatile.  if I try to modprobe it, I can't find it
[04:31] <cafuego> daggie: linux-source-2.6.10
[04:31] <toxicle> aptitude install kismet
[04:31] <giard> but if I insmod I can do it manually
[04:31] <_setite> codecaine thanks whereever you went
[04:31] <_setite> kismet
[04:31] <toxicle> but it did not install
[04:31] <_setite> thats what i need... once i get my card working
[04:31] <daggie> rock and roll cafuego thanks
[04:31] <_setite> thats my next goal... woot
[04:31] <_setite> !ndis
[04:31] <ubotu> [ndis]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[04:31] <Epix> cafuego: hmm, how hot should the heatsync be?
[04:31] <toxicle> me card works fine :)
[04:32] <cafuego> Epix: Depends. 140C for a P4, maybe 40C for an AMD64. Or anywhere in between.
[04:32] <toxicle> !aptitude
[04:32] <ubotu> toxicle: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:32] <toxicle> !packages
[04:32] <ubotu> You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:32] <toxicle> !install packages
[04:32] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, toxicle
[04:32] <Epix> cafuego: would it burn me if i touched it? its an AMD athlon.
[04:32] <cafuego> Epix: Seriously though, if it's over ~ 60C and it's not an original AthlonXp, you have a problem.
[04:33] <nalioth> !tell toxicle about sources
[04:33] <cafuego> Epix: My AtlonXP 2400+ runs at in between 40 and 50C
[04:33] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with "rhythmlet" gdesklet??
[04:33] <toxicle> nalioth: how do i install the packages?
[04:33] <cafuego> Epix: the 1800+ models can run quite a bit hotter, afaik.
[04:33] <Epix> cafuego: and how can i tell which ram socket is 1
[04:34] <cafuego> Epix: It'll be printed on the mobo.
[04:35] <cyphase> is breezy going to have better storage management?
[04:35] <cafuego> storage management?
[04:35] <IcemanV9> mine went "Thermal 1: ok, 56.0 degrees C"
[04:35] <cafuego> Isn't it up to the USER where you store files?
[04:35] <cyphase> hdd management?
[04:35] <cyphase> no, thats not what i mean
[04:35] <cafuego> cyphase: Oh yeah, there's a 'Disks' applet.
[04:36] <cafuego> let me see...
[04:36] <cyphase> oh yea
[04:36] <cyphase> yea, i forgot
[04:36] <cafuego> yep, with a gui interface to partition and format and everything
[04:36] <Squall> anyone here dares to try /ctcp #ubuntu time?
[04:36] <Squall> :>
[04:36] <cyphase> but it should be easier to allocate extra hard drive space for a user
[04:36] <cafuego> Squall: Why would anyone willingly spam the channel and get kicked off?
[04:37] <cafuego> cyphase: if you use LVM it's as easy as adding a HD.
[04:37] <Squall> maybe somebody is as bored as me :>
[04:37] <cyphase> cafeugo, and is LVM easy in breezy?
[04:38] <cafuego> cyphase: no idea, i don't use LVM.
[04:38] <cyphase> me neither :)
[04:38] <Epix> cafuego: when i took out the card i just put in, it boots
[04:38] <Epix> cafuego: the ram.
[04:39] <cyphase> i ask because i just added a drive to my hoary machine, and i had to do the mounting, then link to it from my account, etc
[04:39] <cyphase> messy
[04:39] <Epix> cafuego: which i put in today... can you mix ram types? like SD and DDR
[04:39] <toxicle> hi ok ... i'm checked on the synaptic Package manager .. but i can't find how to add a new package
[04:39] <cafuego> cyphase: Yes, that's normal (and really not hard)
[04:39] <toxicle> i've downloaded it on my home dir
[04:39] <cyphase> cafeugo, not for me or you..
[04:39] <cafuego> toxicle: You do that cia 'dpkg -i <package>'
[04:39] <cyphase> but for most people, it is
[04:40] <cafuego> cyphase: Those are the kinds of people that have no business opening a computer to begin with.
[04:40] <Squall> Epix: i think you cant mix the DDR and SDR
[04:40] <cyphase> cafeugo, people who can't mount a partition shouldn't use a computer?
[04:40] <cafuego> cyphase: moutning a partitioon is not the same as adding a new HD.
[04:41] <cafuego> cyphase: People who cannot mount a partition should not open a box and add in a HD, no.
[04:41] <cyphase> oh..
[04:41] <cyphase> lol
[04:41] <cyphase> when you said openning, i thought you meant use
[04:41] <Epix> Squall: i have some newer ram (SDR) and some older ram (not sure what kind)... maybe that caused errors
[04:41] <cyphase> opening*
[04:41] <cafuego> No, as in hammer & chisel ;-)
[04:42] <cyphase> :)
[04:42] <Squall> epix: is it in the same type of slot?
[04:42] <cyphase> cafeugo, but still, even i would rather it did everything by itself
[04:42] <weijie90> hi
[04:42] <cyphase> i have better things to do then mount a partition
[04:42] <Epix> Squall: yep, SIMM
[04:42] <_setite> for some reason synaptic doesnt ask my for a password anymor
[04:42] <cyphase> ;)
[04:42] <_setite> and im so happy
[04:42] <cafuego> _setite: it's cached
[04:42] <cyphase> _setite, how long has this been going on?
[04:43] <_setite> an hour
[04:43] <Squall> Epix: well if its the same type of slot then you can presume it is the same kind of Ram
[04:43] <cyphase> that's normal
[04:43] <_setite> i just installed ubuntu
[04:43] <bimberi> _setite: it will ask again - after a timeout
[04:43] <cyphase> yea, that's normal
[04:43] <cafuego> _setite: If you don't use it for an hour, it will ask again.
[04:43] <_setite> whens the timeout
[04:43] <_setite> ok
[04:43] <weijie90> can anyone compare ubuntu and vector linux?
[04:43] <_setite> well that makes me sad
[04:43] <cyphase> it's actually less then an hour
[04:43] <LathropWells> Is an inexpensive raid expansion card a good idea?
[04:43] <_setite> at least i found out how to not havea password on kdewallet
[04:43] <_setite> that was annoying
[04:43] <cafuego> _setite: Why? is your password too hard to rememeber or type?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> weijie90: I've used both
[04:43] <_setite> im lazy
[04:44] <_setite> it got tedious typing it in over and over and over
[04:44] <cafuego> Are you using Linux because windows is too insecure?
[04:44] <kevogod> I hate things that try to remember what I don't want it remembering.
[04:44] <Squall> Epix: i suggest taking one ram out and try if you get the same error....
[04:44] <cafuego> LathropWells: Provided it's a decent card...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> !msg
[04:44] <ubotu> please don't /msg people or start a personal message/ dcc chat without asking first in channel. People might be busy, and you have a better chance of an answer in the channel. Don't assume a particular user will be able to help you.
[04:44] <_setite> cafuego: nope... using linux because i prefer it
[04:44] <Epix> Squall: no, it boots now =D
[04:44] <cafuego> LathropWells: Not some software "hardware" card like a promise or highpoint
[04:45] <_setite> security is nice... but the constant pw prompt was driving me mad
[04:45] <Squall> Epix: great
[04:45] <cafuego> Why did you constantly need to run stuff as root?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> weijie90: vector is nice, but ubuntu is easier to use and apt is a great tool
[04:45] <IcemanV9> 15 minutes timeout as it stated in sudo manpage
[04:45] <toxicle> should i use aptitude or dpkg?
[04:45] <toxicle> are they the same?
[04:45] <weijie90> doesnt vector have midnight commander or a package manager?
[04:46] <cafuego> toxicle: 'sudo dpkg 0i foo.deb' for a downloaded .deb
[04:46] <cafuego> s/0/-/
[04:46] <thoreauputic> weijie90: probably out of the box vector is faster on old hardware
[04:46] <_setite> !foo
[04:46] <ubotu> baz
[04:46] <weijie90> hm
[04:46] <toxicle> ok thanks ... so i don't use aptitude install ?
[04:46] <cafuego> toxicle: Only with software from the repository.
[04:46] <_setite> !littlebunnyfoofoo
[04:46] <ubotu> _setite: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:46] <thoreauputic> weijie90: it depends on your needs really
[04:47] <cafuego> toxicle: If it's IN the repository, you don't need to download it to your homedir.
[04:47] <_setite> haha.. classic
[04:47] <weijie90> mine is a 1.6GHz i686 256 sdram
[04:47] <weijie90> dell ;(
[04:47] <toxicle> if i don't have it then i need to use dpkg to get it right?
[04:47] <toxicle> then it will be in my repository (sorry i don't really understand this word)
[04:47] <thoreauputic> weijie90: ubuntu should run fine on that
[04:47] <_setite> dpkg to get?  i thought dpkg only installed a package
[04:47] <toxicle> from then on i use aptitude to upgrade or removfe right?
[04:47] <cafuego> No, it won't be in the repository (Ubuntu Authorised Package Lists)
[04:48] <weijie90> yes, it ran fine.
[04:48] <cafuego> toxicle: What is it, btw?
[04:48] <toxicle> kismet
[04:48] <_setite> kismet
[04:48] <toxicle> squid
[04:48] <cafuego> toxicle: kistmet is IN the repository
[04:48] <_setite> is that legit?
[04:48] <cafuego> and so is squid
[04:48] <toxicle> so how do i install it?
[04:48] <toxicle> ok let me get this first ... repository .. what is it?
[04:48] <cafuego> 'sudo aptitude install kismet squid'
[04:48] <weijie90> but i got a little bored of the slow booting and tried gentoo. then it took so long to comile enlightenment, let alone gnome, that im searching for something better
[04:48] <_setite> sudo apt-get install kismet
[04:48] <toxicle> is it on my box
[04:49] <weijie90> cos ubuntu is i386
[04:49] <_setite> cafuego: aptitude?
[04:49] <weijie90> and the i686 version of the kernel is just as slow
[04:49] <cafuego> weijie90: yes, so is Gentoo.
[04:49] <cafuego> weijie90: See, i386 mean the ARCHITECTURE.
[04:49] <toxicle> is it aptitude or apt-get ?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> weijie90: well, the i386 vs i686 compiling thing is overblown
[04:49] <cafuego> toxicle: whicever you prefer
[04:49] <weijie90> i got to the login prompt in lesst than 30seconds
[04:49] <weijie90> in gentoo
[04:50] <LathropWells> weij - there are a bunch of ready to use kernel images
[04:50] <cafuego> weijie90: Yes, it runs less stuff. That makes a difference. Recompiling with -O6 doesn't.
[04:50] <weijie90> runs less stuff?
[04:50] <cafuego> weijie90: Yes, a default gentoo box runs less stuff at bootup than ubuntu.
[04:51] <weijie90> yes, ubuntu has crypto support, firewire, and stuff that i didnt need
[04:51] <weijie90> when i tried to rebuild the kernel
[04:51] <toxicle> well ok. "aptitude install kismet squid"
[04:51] <toxicle> squid is installing
[04:51] <weijie90> iti got kernel panic
[04:51] <toxicle> but kismet is not
[04:51] <shammy> Is there anyway to speed up Grip's rip? It's ripping at a painful 1.1x
[04:51] <cafuego> weijie90: That's a badly configuerd kernel then.
[04:51] <weijie90> hmm
[04:51] <toxicle> root@litebawx:/home/toxicle # apt-get install kismet
[04:51] <toxicle> Reading package lists... Done
[04:51] <toxicle> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:51] <toxicle> E: Couldn't find package kismet
[04:52] <cafuego> !info kismet
[04:52] <ubotu> kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2004.04.R1-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB
[04:52] <cafuego> !repos
[04:52] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:52] <cafuego> toxicle: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:52] <cafuego> toxicle: Specifically, you need 'universe'.
[04:52] <weijie90> should i go back to ubuntu or try vector? i could try rebuilding my kernel in ubuntu perhaps
[04:52] <toxicle> so it means kismet is not in the repo?
[04:53] <toxicle> cafuego: i've seen that page and it only shows how to use Synatic package manager
[04:54] <toxicle> i'd rather use commandline
[04:54] <Xanthus7> how do you turn on dma on cdrom drives
[04:54] <toxicle> there's too many packages to scrool thru
[04:54] <aru> toxicle: you can always press the search button
[04:55] <toxicle> ok thanks
[04:55] <toxicle> another question
[04:55] <Xanthus7> how do you turn on dma on cdrom drives
[04:55] <toxicle> I've installed squid
[04:55] <LathropWells> !hdparm
[04:55] <ubotu> LathropWells: I give up, what is it?
[04:55] <toxicle> is there somewhere i can change the settings?
[04:55] <toxicle> or is there a GUI inetd.conf ?
[04:55] <toxicle> where can I see startup services?
[04:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I change default system fonts?
[04:56] <Xanthus7> latthrowells !hdparm  ???
[04:56] <weijie90> im confused about kernel patches. are there ubuntu kernel patches?
[04:57] <Xanthus7> how do you turn on dma on cdrom drives
[04:57] <shammy> How can I set up a bash script to run at a certain time, I know it's something like Cron?
[04:58] <weijie90> try "man cron"
[04:58] <shammy> I want to turn my wifi on and off automatically, because the adapter overheats alot
[04:58] <weijie90> or search the net for cron documrntation
[04:58] <_setite> whats a good download manager besides KGet
[04:59] <wwwclown> as anyone set up a Sanyo USB cable connection with a Sanyo phone?
[04:59] <weijie90> downloader for x
[04:59] <wwwclown> has anyone set up a Sanyo USB cable connection with a Sanyo phone?
[04:59] <weijie90> ty axel
[04:59] <weijie90> try axel
[05:00] <weijie90> wwwclown: no idea... try googling for info
[05:00] <wwwclown> thks
[05:02] <weijie90> welcome
[05:03] <IcemanV9> tell Xanthus7 about dma
[05:03] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way to install a downloaded Debian package using Synaptic?
[05:03] <aru> anyone know of something like flstudio or fruityloops for linux?
[05:03] <_setite> !ndis
[05:03] <ubotu> ndis is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper or http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[05:04] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: using debian pkgs is not advised (it may break your system)
[05:05] <Carpe_Libertatem> It's made for Ubuntu.
[05:05] <Squall> going to bed
[05:05] <Carpe_Libertatem> I got it from Opera's website.
[05:05] <Squall> bye
[05:05] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: then open a terminal where it is, and type "sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>"
[05:07] <weijie90> try opening the file with synaptic
[05:08] <weijie90> but dkpg probary works too
[05:08] <weijie90> and is simpler
[05:09] <weijie90> speaking of opera.. its giving away free lisences
[05:09] <weijie90> anyone know when the next release of ubuntu is coming?
[05:10] <_setite> 6 months from when hoary came
[05:10] <cafuego> October
[05:10] <cafuego> Ubuntu 5.10 (2005 oct)
[05:10] <_setite> haha i dont know... i know there is some 6 month schedule or something like that
[05:10] <_setite> niced
[05:10] <cafuego> Pretty much about a month after Gnome is released
[05:10] <_setite> god i should have setup ndis before i got to work
[05:11] <_setite> this evdo card is slow!
[05:11] <Skaja> i got my modem set up when i type sudo pon nothing happends
[05:12] <weijie90> hmm... ok thx
[05:12] <weijie90> still 1 more month
[05:13] <_setite> anyoen have the .inf for the emachines 54g card
[05:13] <cafuego> A month and a bit. They're not going to reelease on oct 1.
[05:13] <Burgundavia> cafuego, gnome releases Sept. 7th
[05:13] <Skaja> oh and i turned on root
[05:13] <_setite> hey cafuego is it possible thati can find the .inf in my windows files?
[05:13] <cafuego> _setite: What's windows files?
[05:14] <_setite> well im dual booting... does windows save the .inf's
[05:14] <_setite> or does it just use them but not keep them
[05:14] <cafuego> Maybe they know on #windows?
[05:14] <nalioth> _setite: its in your c: drive, under /windows or /winnt
[05:14] <_setite> ok... i just asked you because i saw your name on the wiki and thought you might know.. thanks
[05:14] <nalioth> _setite: look in c:/windows/inf
[05:14] <_setite> ok nalioth ill look
[05:15] <weijie90> is there a way to upgrade to breezy without removing hoary?
[05:15] <cafuego> If so, i need to kill the bugger who added me.
[05:15] <cafuego> weijie90: No. Breezy is broken.
[05:15] <_setite> your on the bottom
[05:15] <nalioth> cafuego: c'mon dude, you know you are an in-the-closet windows user
[05:15] <_setite> last edited 2005-08-30 23:47:10 by Cafuego
[05:15] <cafuego> nalioth: Come here and say that, macboy :-P
[05:15] <cafuego> _setite: What page?
[05:16] <alvariux> hello
[05:16] <weijie90> i mean, when breezy is released officially
[05:16] <alvariux> is there a way of using alsaconf?
[05:16] <alvariux> is not detecting my sound card
[05:16] <_setite> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:16] <cafuego> Oh the ndiswrapper one, yeah., I fixed a stupid typo. I didn;'t actually add or remove any useful info.
[05:16] <_setite> that one
[05:16] <alvariux> or is there an utility for doing this?
[05:16] <_setite> hey nalioth whats it called... any idea
[05:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know where I can change the default system fonts? :-P
[05:17] <Skaja> can tell me sudo pon does nothing
[05:17] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: System - Prefs - Font
[05:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> ack!
[05:17] <nalioth> _setite: on the name of the inf, you are on your own (try the manufactureres website for a download or info)
[05:17] <_setite> ok.. so its related to the card... ok
[05:17] <_setite> the manu site is no good
[05:18] <_setite> emachine has no drivers on their site
[05:18] <_setite> its bs if you ask me....
[05:18] <cafuego> _setite: Different 53g card then.
[05:18] <cafuego> 54 even
[05:18] <nalioth> _setite: nor at gateway.com? (they own emachines)
[05:18] <_setite> cafuego: nah...
[05:18] <_setite> ill check gateway
[05:18] <zjd> anyone recently install ubuntu? can you comment on how long it took?
[05:19] <zjd> I am trying to figure out if i should install tonight or wait til tomorrow
[05:19] <_setite> not long
[05:19] <weijie90> i once tried the hoary livecd on a school computer... the stupid network made ppl have personal accounts but all the comps had a bios password (which i knew)
[05:19] <_setite> how much time do you have zjd
[05:19] <weijie90> i booted hoary livecd and network autodetection worked
[05:19] <_setite> install it tonight if yhou can spare an hour... it does most of the work once it starts
[05:19] <weijie90> it did that time synchronsation thing with this faraway server
[05:19] <zjd> _setite: i have an hour tonight, or a few hours tomorrow night
[05:20] <_setite> tonight
[05:20] <zjd> _setite, ubuntu gives us teh option to custom partition right?
[05:20] <_setite> youll want tomorrows hours to set it up
[05:20] <weijie90> then i got afriad of my teachers and got out of the system
[05:20] <_setite> yea pretty much
[05:20] <weijie90> lol
[05:20] <weijie90> sorry for spamming
[05:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> And where's the directory where all the fonts are stored?
[05:20] <nalioth> zjd: an hour is fine, if you've got your partitions and such in mind (and your stuff backed up), and you have broadband
[05:20] <Burgundavia> zjd, about 30 minutes
[05:21] <zjd> yeah, i know almost everything i am going to do
[05:21] <zjd> =)
[05:21] <dducko> Im haveing a problem with sound in a game.  Neverwinter Nights
[05:21] <zjd> The only new thing is I"m going to try to intall it on a scsi device
[05:21] <dducko> Sound works elsewhere but not in the game
[05:21] <zjd> and get it to boot off from that
[05:21] <zjd> never down that before
[05:21] <zjd> *done
[05:21] <nalioth> zjd: should have no problems
[05:21] <dducko> In fact the option for sound in game makes it appear as if there is no sound card
[05:22] <Devrethman> is it possible to move from debian to ubuntu without completely reinstalling?
[05:22] <zjd> will ubuntu auto-detect drives during install or will i have to tell it to look in /dev/sda0
[05:22] <zjd> or somestuff?
[05:22] <zjd> Devretheman... apt-get install gnome...? (lol...jk)
[05:22] <Devrethman> ummmmm no
[05:22] <wwwclown> i am trying to login to the root. anything special i need to know?
[05:22] <Devrethman> that's no the issue, i'm annoyed by how out of date debian is
[05:23] <dducko> I just did the Install yesterday.. zjd It detected everything
[05:23] <nalioth> zjd: it's pretty automated
[05:23] <zjd> ok, cool
[05:23] <dducko> yeah... wwwclown you have to activate it
[05:23] <nalioth> zjd: but you can change anything you like along the way
[05:23] <dducko> from a terminal sudo passwd root
[05:23] <Skaja> how do i install kde on ubuntu
[05:23] <dducko> then set the password
[05:23] <wwwclown> i guess i havent done that yet
[05:23] <weijie90> xmms on ubuntu does not work
[05:23] <weijie90> it hangs
[05:23] <wwwclown> ok
[05:23] <wwwclown> thks
[05:23] <Devrethman> skaja: use kubuntu
[05:23] <dducko> welcmome
[05:23] <The_Vox> Devrethman: you *may* try mod'ing your sources list to point to the ubuntu repos and do a dist-upgrade...it *should* get you ubuntu'ed...but I don't take responsibility :)
[05:23] <_setite> skaja add the kde repo and install
[05:23] <zjd> (aw..crap need to find blank cd to burn ubunutu to....)
[05:23] <nalioth> Skaja: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[05:23] <The_Vox> weijie90: xmms in any way sucks
[05:24] <_setite> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[05:24] <_setite> go there to get the repo line to add
[05:24] <Devrethman> the_vox: that's what i was thinking, but i need a copy of ubuntu's sources.list
[05:24] <Devrethman> for amd64
[05:24] <weijie90> totem is better right?
[05:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> Where's the font directory? it's something like /usr/local/share, isn't it?
[05:24] <The_Vox> !repos
[05:24] <_setite> totem is the devil
[05:24] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:24] <Carpe_Libertatem> !fonts
[05:24] <ubotu> it has been said that fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[05:24] <The_Vox> Devrethman: ubotu's link
[05:24] <_setite> haha jk... thats not fair as its just my opinion
[05:24] <WolfPac_Ite> Meh.
[05:24] <_setite> i love me some kaffeine
[05:25] <WolfPac_Ite> Why doesn't Ubuntu allow me to select a resolution other then 800x600?
[05:25] <The_Vox> weijie90: totem sucks even worse than xmms...I really have no clue what is really useful that is gtk based...I use amarok
[05:25] <weijie90> as for fonts... i rip them off windoze xpensive and put them in fonts:///
[05:25] <weijie90> they make browsing rock
[05:26] <nalioth> !tell WolfPac_Ite about resolution
[05:26] <holycow> windows fonts are fugly dude
[05:26] <holycow> why would you do such a thing?
[05:26] <holycow> heh
[05:26] <holycow> -_-
[05:26] <_setite> anyone heard of Linuxant's DriverLoader?
[05:26] <weijie90> well websites use them
[05:26] <zjd> ah...ubuntu is on the burn...i feel eecstatic
[05:26] <Devrethman> the_vox, that just shows how to do it with synaptic, i'm currently in debian, we don't get those cool guified utilities
[05:26] <dducko> Your gonna love it zjd
[05:26] <_setite> windows fonts are not ugly
[05:26] <dducko> I was WIndoze yesterday.. Ill never go back
[05:26] <The_Vox> Devrethman: doesn't the second link have a list of all the repos? it used to
[05:26] <holycow> _setite, are you blind?
[05:27] <holycow> :) no seriously
[05:27] <zjd> i feel like i am in therapy....by moving away from windoze
[05:27] <one2> im an auditor ;-] 
[05:27] <holycow> i'm buggin yous guys :)
[05:27] <Devrethman> OK, got it
[05:27] <_setite> nope.. not at all.. without them some apps looks screwy
[05:27] <zjd> one2, financial audito?
[05:27] <The_Vox> Devrethman: good
[05:27] <_setite> especially windows apps
[05:27] <Skaja> i did this i still cant get it to work https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[05:27] <holycow> hehe yes indeed it is okay to have different tastes
[05:27] <one2> naa
[05:27] <_setite> i gotta go install msie tomorrow
[05:27] <_setite> or windows firefox if that will work
[05:28] <holycow> _setite, *nod* i tried to use ms for browsing, man the fonts are beyond ugly to me
[05:28] <nalioth> Skaja: some winmodems aren't supported
[05:28] <Skaja> i dont have a winmodem
[05:29] <Devrethman> the_vox: is that amd64?
[05:29] <Devrethman> i can't tell
[05:30] <BodaicousB> hey, does anyone know how i can download the suggested packages with apt automatically?
[05:30] <Skaja> my modem supports mac , os/2 , windows 3.1 , windows9x , windows nt/2000 , linux
[05:32] <The_Vox> Devrethman: no, that's i386
[05:33] <one2> why dose ubuntu not have a basic stateful firewall script included and running in the default install?
[05:33] <The_Vox> one2: because you don't need it.
[05:33] <BodaicousB> firewalls are stupid =)
[05:33] <one2> are you a security pro
[05:33] <The_Vox> Devrethman: if you need amd64, I have no clue where to get the lines
[05:33] <The_Vox> one2: yup, I do network security auditing for a living, actually.
[05:34] <zjd> the burn is done!
[05:34] <one2> really i would not expect so
[05:34] <BodaicousB> hey, does anyone know how i can download the suggested/recommended packages with apt automatically?
[05:34] <The_Vox> one2: and the reason you don't need a firewall in ubuntu is because by default it doesn't install any server software...if there's no servers running, there's nothing you need to protect.
[05:34] <zjd> therefore go i to install ubuntu, i do
[05:34] <Devrethman> the_vox: blast... looks like i'm back to google
[05:34] <one2> wow
[05:34] <alvariux> is there alsaconf in ubuntu?
[05:34] <Devrethman> anybody in here running amd64?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> alvariux, no
[05:35] <The_Vox> Devrethman: check in the ubuntu site, there must be something there
[05:35] <alvariux> Burgundavia: then how can configure my sound card
[05:35] <The_Vox> one2: if you don't have software listening to outside connections, why do you need a firewall?
[05:35] <Devrethman> i'm working on it, i'm just lazy, and would rather get it here ;-)
[05:35] <Burgundavia> alvariux, it should just work
[05:35] <alvariux> is not
[05:35] <alvariux> im running a server install
[05:35] <one2> this notion that because there is no sevices running constitutes no need for a firewall is a misconception
[05:36] <alvariux> a then install xorg,etc
[05:36] <alvariux> do you know an app to configure hardaware
[05:36] <The_Vox> one2: tell me what a firewall will protect you from if you don't have software listening to outside connections, please.
[05:36] <Burgundavia> alvariux, have you tried a regular install?
[05:36] <nalioth> one2: unless you are running a high volume server, imho, a firewall is unnecessary
[05:36] <alvariux> i dont gnome
[05:36] <one2> wow
[05:36] <alvariux> *want
[05:36] <BodaicousB> one2, i have never used a firewall, and i have never been hacked =)
[05:36] <one2> how can u be a security pro
[05:36] <alvariux> i have a p2 with 64 ram
[05:37] <Burgundavia> alvariux, ouch
[05:37] <one2> fackers
[05:37] <alvariux> thats why i install just the minimun
[05:37] <Devrethman> you can do that??
[05:37] <The_Vox> one2: I have done security consulting for 10+ years, 7 of those with linux...I've had two intrusions in those 10+ years, one on linux, one on SunOS.
[05:37] <Devrethman> ubuntu without gnome?
[05:38] <nalioth> Devrethman: you can run whatever desktop you like
[05:38] <Devrethman> nice
[05:38] <alvariux> is there an ubuntu install without gnome
[05:38] <BrianDo> does anyone remember where that tutorial for getting sound in firefox is? and firefox has been crashing alot lately and i hvaent made changes.. any ideas?
[05:38] <Devrethman> i thou\ght i would have to leave my beloved enlightenment
[05:38] <BrianDo> alvariux: kubuntu
[05:38] <alvariux> BrianDo: lol
[05:38] <BodaicousB> one2, a security pro would know when a firewall i snot needed
[05:38] <alvariux> im using window makler
[05:38] <Devrethman> wmaker is nice
[05:39] <BrianDo> you can just unload gnome cant you?
[05:39] <Devrethman> i prefer E, same ide, but it looks cooler
[05:39] <Devrethman> *idea
[05:39] <alvariux> i know but the sound is not woking
[05:39] <BodaicousB> Devrethman,  im going to get enlightenment right now, for the first time
[05:39] <Devrethman> it's nice
[05:39] <_setite> hey where do i put ndiswrapper -m to make it load auto
[05:39] <Devrethman> the way the menus move around is annoying at times, but other than that, it's great
[05:39] <BodaicousB> hey, does anyone know how i can download the suggested/recommended packages with apt automatically?
[05:40] <one2> a pro is not a blackhat
[05:40] <_setite> shit i got an error on sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:40] <bob2> BodaicousB: use aptitude instead
[05:40] <BrianDo> anyone have anyidea for no sound in firefox?
[05:40] <Xanthus7> OK i have edited my hdparm.conf file and still cannot get dma turn on
[05:40] <Xanthus7> what now
[05:40] <BodaicousB> bob2, neverheard of it, but i found it and im playing with it now =)
[05:41] <Xanthus7> trying to turn on the dma on cd rom drives
[05:42] <one2> damn there really is a differnece between those who learned security thru books and those who learned it by making admins cry ;] 
[05:42] <Name1> Where can i remove the single click option in konqueror? I want to double click a file to open it.
[05:42] <one2> jk
[05:43] <Name1> Been surfin the menus but no luck finding it.
[05:43] <treitter> I can treat a Pentium M (with hyperthreading) as an SMP box, right?
[05:43] <Xanthus7> I need help turning on dma on my cdrom drives please
[05:44] <setite> hey whats this
[05:44] <setite> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:44] <setite> i used sudp
[05:44] <setite> sudo
[05:45] <bytefoo> is cairo going to be in breezy?
[05:46] <Xanthus7> Can some please help me
[05:46] <setite> help
[05:46] <treitter> bytefoo: Cairo's a part of GNOME 2.12, which will be in Breezy
[05:46] <setite> i really need somebody
[05:46] <setite> help
[05:46] <one2> and there is a difference between consulting for companys and security for the home user who dose need protection seeing as they are useually the targets for wepons gathering you wont deny that most attacks do originate from users machines who have been compromised
[05:46] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks Nalioth.
[05:46] <setite> not just anybody
[05:46] <Xanthus7> I having trouble turnon dma on cdroms
[05:46] <LathropWells> !dma
[05:46] <setite> !dma
[05:46] <setite> damn you LathropWells
[05:46] <setite> you beat me
[05:47] <setite> !tell Xanthus7 about dma
[05:47] <Xanthus7> please explan !dma I am newbie
[05:47] <setite> check your pm from ubotu
[05:47] <one2> direct memory access
[05:47] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Xanthus7 about dma
[05:47] <one2> allows for better performance
[05:47] <setite> !tell me about dma
[05:47] <BodaicousB> in enlightenment how do i select a package ot be downloadeD?
[05:48] <Xanthus7> How do I turn dma on my cdrom drives
[05:48] <setite> cafuego: you there?
[05:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> Sometimes applications I apt-get don't show-up in the start menu - where could I find them?
[05:49] <Xanthus7> I know what dma stands for I need to run it on my cd rom file
[05:49] <one2> its obvious that when you live in the whitehat world you dont get a real understanding
[05:49] <setite> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[05:49] <setite> thats the command to turn dma on, and keep the spoon
[05:50] <bytefoo> treitter, cool
[05:50] <setite> anyoen knwo why im getting the ndiswrapper error?
[05:50] <[DF2] > i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator..
[05:51] <[DF2] > can anyone give me a hand?
[05:51] <acyd> anyone here successfully install ubuntu on an acer travelmate 415x notebook? and for that matter, how is wireless support for notebooks
[05:51] <one2> that atitude that udont need a firewall is one i get only from the ubuntu community
[05:51] <djur>  csh needed for unpacking utility necessary to install printeru
[05:51] <BodaicousB> i wish i was as cool as one2, i wish i was a hacker
[05:52] <one2> or i only see it from the ubuntu community
[05:52] <Carpe_Libertatem>  Sometimes applications I apt-get don't show-up in the start menu - where could I find them?
[05:52] <kairu0> boda: you are cool in my book
[05:52] <waltman> i'm trying to install ubuntu, but it's not detecting my nic.  it says to go back to the hardware detection step and load a specific module...
[05:52] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: 1. sometimes refreshing the menu helps - "killall gnome-panel" in a terminal
[05:52] <milksteak> hmmm
[05:52] <kairu0> carpe: for example what doesnt show up?
[05:52] <milksteak> launch it from terminal
[05:52] <waltman> but when i do that, it doesn't give me the option to choose a module!
[05:52] <BodaicousB> Carpe_Libertatem, i usually find them in the console, for the package flightgear for example, just type flightgear =P
[05:53] <waltman> any advice?
[05:53] <one2> its not about being "cool"
[05:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, the app is still not there.
[05:53] <BodaicousB> im going to boot to my new enlightenment desktop for the first time!!! brb
[05:53] <waltman> it just takes me right back to this red screen
[05:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> What directory are apps installed into?
[05:54] <sproingie> all of 'em.  usually /usr
[05:54] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: 2. otherwise a menu entry can be created using smeg
[05:55] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin   ( will give you clues as to what the command to run the app are)
[05:55] <DrJonez> hi :)
[05:55] <bimberi> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about smeg
[05:55] <waltman> so is this even the right channel to be asking about installation problems?
[05:56] <DrJonez> so I put in a new video card in my linux machine, and now X won't start because it says "no screens found". I assume I just have to configure the new card, but how do I do that? :)
[05:56] <sproingie> waltman: sure.  what kind of nic is it?
[05:56] <waltman> onboard e100
[05:56] <waltman> intel d945gnt mb
[05:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> The problem is - I have no idea which directory the apps are installed.
[05:56] <sproingie> weird.  that should be detected
[05:57] <rendi> guy's hot wo kill this user
[05:57] <one2> realize that no services = secure is just not true its too easy to break ubuntu, i know because i have my question may have seemed like the average noob "wheres the firewall" type thing but its not its a legitimate concern.
[05:57] <rendi> poltekte pts/21       Sep  1 04:29 (202.122.165.125)
[05:57] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: dpkg -L <packagename> will show you where all files installed by the package were but
[05:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> is there a way to search for a file using the terminal?
[05:57] <waltman> it says to go back and enter the module manually, but when i do that, it never gives me that option.
[05:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> I installed using apt-get
[05:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> so would apt-get -L show location?
[05:57] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: no
[05:58] <sproingie> waltman: couldn't tell ya, i always use the expert installer.  is there an option to go back from the screen it dumps you at?
[05:58] <rendi> hello ?
[05:58] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: linux puts stuff all over the place - check Properties in Synaptic for install locations
[05:58] <DrJonez> bah
[05:58] <acyd> hrm, how is it that I can boot to the ubuntu install via CD but it doesn't recognize my cd-rom drive to install
[05:58] <DrJonez> sure, everyone ignore poor little me :P
[05:58] <waltman> there's an option, but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[05:58] <one2> and besides a simple stateful script is no hassle to give the new users of ubuntu so why the opposition
[05:58] <one2> ?
[05:58] <waltman> i'll reboot and try an expert install...
[05:58] <sproingie> one2: opposition to what?
[05:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> What about searching for something using terminal?
[05:59] <bimberi> DrJonez: sometimes it's hard to see posts when it gets busy
[05:59] <DrJonez> it's ok :)
[05:59] <DrJonez> I've got a really dumb newbie one after this one
[05:59] <DrJonez> so I'm willing to bear with everyone if they'll do the same for me :)
[05:59] <[DF2] > if i just do eciadsl-synch / gs7470_synch06.bin
[05:59] <[DF2] > the modem synchs alright
[05:59] <BodaicousB> hey guys, i downloaded enlightenment with apt...  how do i switch to it from gnome??? i reset the computer and it wasnt in the login screen list
[05:59] <one2> including a basic stateful firewall for the new users of ubuntu
[05:59] <[DF2] > before that point though i can't configure the pppoeconf
[06:00] <[DF2] > anyone here with some knowledge on that?
[06:00] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: "man find"
[06:00] <nalioth> BodaicousB: at your login screen, you have 'sessions' optins
[06:00] <one2> sproingie  :] 
[06:00] <BodaicousB> nalioth, yeah, its not in there =( jsut gnome stuff
[06:00] <bimberi> DrJonez: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" at the shell prompt.  You'll be asked lots of questions, read carefully, the defaults are usually pretty good
[06:00] <nalioth> BodaicousB: ah-ha
[06:01] <nalioth> BodaicousB: open up a file in /usr/share/xsessions
[06:01] <nalioth> BodaicousB: use that file as a template for your enlightenment desktop
[06:01] <[DF2] > incase anyone missed what i typed before.. :P
[06:01] <[DF2] > i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator..
[06:01] <nalioth> bob2: save your NEW file as Enlightenment.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions
[06:01] <DrJonez> bimberi, isn't there a way to do this for JUST the video card?
[06:02] <nalioth> bob2: sorry, hate this damnd tab completion
[06:02] <nalioth> BodaicousB: : save your NEW file as Enlightenment.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions
[06:02] <BodaicousB> nalioth, ok
[06:02] <nalioth> BodaicousB: log out and log back in and it should be there
[06:02] <bimberi> DrJonez: probably ... give me a minute
[06:03] <daggie> Howdy howdy guys. Just got my wireless card on my laptop working ndiswrapper and the like.
[06:03] <nalioth> BodaicousB: what happens is the deb pkgrs don't inclue a .desktop file with e16
[06:03] <waltman> why is a floppy drive "network hardware"?
[06:03] <[DF2] > there should be a channel just for ubunto pppoeconf questions :P
[06:03] <nalioth> BodaicousB: and dont overwrite the file you open up for a template
[06:03] <daggie> I remember seeing this earlier, but what changes to what file do I need edit to have ubuntu automatically modprobe ndiswrapper for me.
[06:04] <one2> and saying that "we dont need a firewall because we dont have services enabled" well bro most exploits i see are not directed torwards services
[06:04] <BodaicousB> nalioth, so dont rename it? ok i see what your saying now
[06:04] <[DF2] > why was i made handsome not not so smart :/
[06:04] <sproingie> one2: how many remote exploits don't target a service?
[06:05] <one2> OMG
[06:05] <sproingie> one2: firewall won't protect you against a network client exploit
[06:05] <waltman> nope, even in expert mode it's not detecting my e100 card
[06:05] <waltman> s/card/nic/
[06:05] <nalioth> BodaicousB: if you open kde.desktop and rewrite it with enlightenment stuff and rename it enlightentment.desktop, you have no more kde in your session menu
[06:06] <DrJonez> alright so
[06:06] <DrJonez> I'm a pretty big newb at this
[06:06] <DrJonez> I've got a program I want to install and run
[06:06] <DrJonez> I've got it in .rpm format, and .tar.gz
[06:06] <DrJonez> how the hell do I install and run it? :P
[06:06] <waltman> it's also not detecting my sata hd
[06:06] <waltman> *sigh*
[06:06] <BodaicousB> nalioth, i opend gnome.desktop with gedit, and save as, to Enlightenment.desktop,  so 2 identical files with different names..... correct?
[06:06] <DrJonez> I know I sound like an ass for saying this, but installing/running isn't much like Windows :P
[06:06] <nalioth> DrJonez: that program isnt available in ubuntu repos?
[06:06] <DrJonez> what?
[06:06] <bytefoo> anyone know why i can't use oss to output music in xmms
[06:06] <bytefoo> and why i have to choose esound
[06:07] <nalioth> BodaicousB: you're almost there, open enlightenment.desblah and change the values to start enlightenment
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> DrJonez, what is this program?
[06:07] <sproingie> DrJonez: i had to have my system reimaged yesterday because the office 2003 msi failed but wiped out office2000 in the process.  thank god it isn't like windows
[06:07] <BodaicousB> nalioth, ok
[06:07] <DrJonez> it's called Synergy
[06:07] <DrJonez> it's basically like a software/network based KVM switch
[06:07] <DrJonez> I can mouse across multiple monitors/pc's with one keyboard and mouse
[06:07] <DrJonez> and it syncs the clipboards
[06:07] <BodaicousB> nalioth, just every worg "gnome" change to "enlightenment"?
[06:07] <bimberi> DrJonez: (to the best of my knowlege) ... only if you know what your new video driver is called ... otherwise you should use the dpkg-reconfigure procedure (painful i know)
[06:07] <DrJonez> I have 3 windows machines on my desk, and now an ubuntu one
[06:07] <nalioth> BodaicousB: gimma minute and i'll paste you mine
[06:08] <DrJonez> and I want to be able to mouse onto the linux one with the same keyboard and mouse as the windows machiens
[06:08] <DrJonez> I know it can be dnoe
[06:08] <one2> its more than firewalls yes thats how i feel is any from of say propolice or pax or any one of the stack/buffer protection mechanisims applied in ubuntu?
[06:08] <DrJonez> the linux and windows clients/server are compatible
[06:08] <nalioth> DrJonez: buy a kvm
[06:08] <one2> *form
[06:08] <nalioth> DrJonez: 4-ports are around $70US
[06:08] <DrJonez> why would I spend $50+ on a kvm when this will work just fine?
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> DrJonez,  i just use vnc sessions in windows so i got a desktop on each window.
[06:08] <DrJonez> I just need to know how to install it
[06:08] <DrJonez> look
[06:08] <DrJonez> guys
[06:08] <DrJonez> I'm not asking how to get the mouse to do that
[06:08] <DrJonez> I already know how
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> DrJonez,  its mentioned in the ubuntu forums/wikis. i just searched for it. :P
[06:09] <DrJonez> I just need to install synergy so I can make it run
[06:09] <nalioth> DrJonez: do you know how to compile?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> DrJonez, open system-->admin-->synaptic
[06:09] <Burgundavia> DrJonez, search for it and install it
[06:09] <DrJonez> again, I'm a linux newb, I know NOTHING about installing programs on a linux machine
[06:09] <DrJonez> so, no, I don't know compiling :)
[06:09] <abarbaccia> hey all - when you plug in a digital camera, where does ubuntu mount it to?
[06:09] <milksteak> hmmm
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> DrJonez,  this is when we direct you to the ubuntu user guides and other basic linux tutorials then.
[06:09] <waltman> well, so much for ubuntu.  it might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if it can't detech my hardware i can't use it.
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install programnametoinstall
[06:10] <DrJonez> how about directing me to a link? :)
[06:10] <abarbaccia> waltman, ubuntu has some of the best hardware detection known to linux - what's your problem
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> is how things are normally installed.
[06:10] <bytefoo> DrJonez, there is a synergy guide on gizmodo for all OS's
[06:10] <DrJonez> wtf is gizmodo?
[06:10] <waltman> a) it's not detecting the e100 nic on my mb.  b) it's not detecting my sata hd.
[06:10] <DrJonez> you guys are saying stuff that you assume I know, and I don't :P
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> i would guess a web site.
[06:10] <nalioth> DrJonez: you may screw up your system with this command
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> time to start learning I guess.
[06:11] <abarbaccia> waltman, you new to linux
[06:11] <nalioth> DrJonez:  get the rpm open a terminal where it is
[06:11] <BodaicousB> nalioth, brb, i think i got it, im gonna try it.... i have knoppix to back me up if something is WAY wrong
[06:11] <waltman> abarbaccia: been using it for 10 years, and debian for 5
[06:11] <Name1> I can't find my HDD's under /dev. Where are they?
[06:11] <nalioth> DrJonez: run "sudo alien -i synergy.rpm (or whatever it is named)"
[06:11] <Name1> Do i need to mount them first or something?
[06:11] <nalioth> DrJonez: dont say we didnt warn ya
[06:11] <sproingie> waltman:  distributions can be very fickle ... i actually picked ubuntu because it supported my hardware where others didn't
[06:11] <abarbaccia> waltman, it has the same hardware detection as debian with more stuff added - if you've used it for so long i think you know how to download a module and install it to support your hardware
[06:12] <optilock> i added the multiverse repository and i am now unable to get gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:12] <waltman> how am i supposed to just install a module if i can't even partition my hd?
[06:12] <optilock> i am using the 64 bit version of hoary
[06:13] <abarbaccia> i've never heard of so much trouble before - what make is your MB?
[06:13] <one2> and in ubuntu i have to add sysctl.conf options that should be there by default
[06:13] <waltman> intel d945gnt
[06:13] <sproingie> abarbaccia: the hardware detection ability is part of it, but if the installer doesn't ship the modules with the installer kernel, nothing you can really do
[06:13] <ilba7r> hi i know that linux makes the most of the memory and cash a lot. My question is that this make my mem pretty hot so is it healty. Ps i expeience frequent shutdown after running the pc for a while and was wondering if that can be attributed to ram temp increase in addition to cpu temp increase
[06:13] <abarbaccia> oh well, not for you then i guess
[06:14] <sproingie> ilba7r: using extra ram as cache isn't really going to make it any hotter
[06:14] <waltman> the brand new daily debian testing netinst can't detect this stuff, either
[06:14] <sproingie> ilba7r: but spontaneous shutdowns are often heat-related, yes
[06:14] <ilba7r> sproingie i thought writing and dumping data from it might have so what should attribute for its high temp
[06:15] <Madpilot> ilba7r: can you enable lm-sensors and see how hot your CPU/mobo are running?
[06:15] <ilba7r> madpilot i tried they could not read my fan they could only read my ram
[06:16] <ilba7r> but i use acpi and the cpu temp at no load is 45
[06:16] <sproingie> ilba7r: if your ram itself overheats, usually you'll get read errors.  ram usually only overheats if you're overclocking with overvoltage
[06:16] <ilba7r> at high load it shoots up too 80
[06:16] <kairu0> does ubuntu use LVM by default? how can i tell if i'm using it?
[06:17] <sproingie> ilba7r: is that your cpu temp or your motherboard temp?  usually the bios sensor is just motherboard
[06:17] <ilba7r> am pretty sure its the cpu
[06:17] <waltman> the installer DOES ship an e100 module
[06:17] <Name1> Hmm. Konqueror just keeps crashing when i start it. Leaves no error msg whatsoever.
[06:17] <sproingie> ilba7r: if you can reboot immediately after the shutdown, it ain't heat related
[06:17] <ilba7r> i tried hmonitor on window and i got nearly the same temp reading for the cpu
[06:18] <benplaut> Name1, it's because you're using KDE  :P
[06:18] <benplaut> (jk, before i get flamed)
[06:18] <ilba7r> sproingie yap i can reboot immediately
[06:18] <sproingie> ilba7r: you may have different problems then
[06:18] <Name1> benplaut: So your suggestion would be: "Use Gnome" ?
[06:18] <benplaut> of course :P
[06:18] <ilba7r> sproingie lol so i need more investigations
[06:18] <sproingie> Name1: if you want kde support, try #kubuntu
[06:19] <Name1> Not enough eye candy
[06:19] <djur> I keep getting errors about permissions...   As far as a I know my login is set up with root access..  But I have to login when opening a root terminal, and I keep getting errors about not having the ability to write to certain directories...  any ideas?
[06:19] <Name1> Sure, i'll try that
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Name1,  run it from a terminal.
[06:19] <Madpilot> !tell djur about root
[06:19] <benplaut> it'll give you a sort of error report
[06:19] <ilba7r> sproingie i only have this problem when cpu load is heigh for long time and am giving up can not figure out why it shut down. The notebook though get pretty hot
[06:20] <sproingie> ilba7r: maybe it is heat related, couldn't say for sure.  my machine will refuse to go past POST if it's over-temp, but that's just my hardware
[06:21] <sproingie> ilba7r: does it spontaneously shut down or reboot?
[06:21] <ilba7r> sproingie shutdown
[06:21] <Name1> Hmm. Now even my konsole crashes, leaving me no error msg.
[06:21] <sproingie> ilba7r: yah, i'm gonna guess heat
[06:22] <ilba7r> i can feel the heat through the keyboard
[06:22] <BodaicousB> nalioth, ok i tried editing that file, especially the Exec line... no avail... i also tried running enlightnement within gnome, and it said it could rewrite the startup files for me, also didnt work... im all ears now =P
[06:22] <sproingie> blast some of that on the heat sink and watch the temp drop
[06:22] <ilba7r> and the hottest part is the cpu and ram
[06:23] <ilba7r> filourethane?
[06:23] <optilock> does anyone know if the audigy 2 is supported under hoary i can't get it to work after the required plugins ?
[06:23] <sproingie> can't be at all good for the fan bearings to suddenly drop temp like that tho
[06:23] <abarbaccia> hey all - when you plug in a digital camera, where does ubuntu mount it to?
[06:23] <sproingie> ilba7r: also known as "Dust-Off"
[06:23] <ilba7r> ok thanks sproingie
[06:23] <furic> How do i go about getting my system to use gdm instead of kdm on boot?
[06:23] <[DF2] > if i just do eciadsl-synch / gs7470_synch06.bin
[06:23] <[DF2] > i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator..
[06:24] <[DF2] > the modem synchs alright
[06:27] <bytefoo> man
[06:27] <bytefoo> my desktop seems laggy
[06:27] <ilba7r> furic sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[06:27] <bimberi> abarbaccia: /media/something I guess
[06:28] <ilba7r> or gdm depending which you use
[06:28] <abarbaccia> bimberi, its not there
[06:29] <bimberi> abarbaccia: does df show anything
[06:29] <bimberi> ?
[06:29] <djur> how do you run an application from a terminal?
[06:29] <furic> Thanks ilba7r
[06:29] <ilba7r> ur welcomed
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> djur,  type the commands name
[06:30] <bimberi> djur: you usually just type its name. What application?
[06:30] <djur> distributed.net application
[06:31] <djur> it won't run
[06:32] <djur> I just untarred it..
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> ./whatevercommand
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> if its in the current dir
[06:32] <djur> thanks.. that's what I couldn't remember
[06:32] <expense> can someone help me with vsftpd? i did everything that this (http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=378136&seqNum=10&rl=1) tutorial outlined but users other than myself can't login to the ftp
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Linux 101 :P
[06:33] <BodaicousB> nalioth, workin like a charm!!! although very bizzare, 1st time in enlightenment =)
[06:34] <setite> how do i own a folder
[06:34] <setite> chmod something
[06:34] <setite> what the heck is this enlightenment i keep hearing about
[06:35] <ramah> man chmod
[06:35] <nalioth> BodaicousB: enlightenment is great! and e17 is supposed to be that much better
[06:35] <bimberi> setite: chown <yourusername> /path/to/folder
[06:35] <nalioth> setite: it is a really nice desktop/window manager
[06:35] <nalioth> setite: www.enlightenment.org  i believe is the place
[06:35] <BodaicousB> nalioth, this is 16 here
[06:36] <nalioth> BodaicousB: it'll be e17 in breezy
[06:36] <bimberi> setite: or just   chown <yourusername> <foldername> (if it's in the current working directory)
[06:36] <BodaicousB> nalioth, will it come stock? or on apt?
[06:37] <setite> is it a gnome thing or will it work on kde
[06:37] <Agrajag> it's neither
[06:37] <bytefoo> man firefox gets really laggy after being open for a while
[06:37] <ramah> Is there a well rounded faq/online book on linux that someone could recommend to a newb?
[06:37] <setite> oh then nvm.. thanks
[06:37] <bytefoo> at least for me ;X
[06:39] <bimberi> ramah: http://tuxfiles.org is quite good
[06:39] <nalioth> BodaicousB: i'm not sure, we are approaching the time for software freeze (if we're not beyond already)
[06:39] <Madpilot> ramah: for command line intro, I like www.linuxcommand.org
[06:40] <nalioth> setite: gnome, kde, and enlightenment are Desktop Managers. usually you use them one at a time
[06:40] <setite> anyone knwo what this means
[06:40] <setite> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[06:40] <Juhaz> it probably means you're trying to load the module as user
[06:40] <setite> nah i did sudo
[06:40] <setite> same error sudo or no sudo
[06:40] <ramah> bimberi: thank you
[06:40] <ramah> Madpilot: Thank you
[06:41] <bimberi> ramah: yw :)
[06:42] <setite> any ideas why im getting that error even with sudo
[06:42] <setite> should i try it in true root?
[06:42] <Madpilot> ramah: no problem. also see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands for command line stuff
[06:43] <setite> ndiswrapper l shows that he driver and the hardware is present
[06:43] <setite> should i be good then?
[06:43] <Pickle_Weasel> how hard is it, in theory, to compile a kernel? i'd like to get off the generic 386 and make a custom one for my processor
[06:44] <nalioth> Pickle_Weasel: what proc you got?
[06:44] <Pickle_Weasel> P4 1.8
[06:45] <Madpilot> Pickle_Weasel: get the 686 kernel for P4s
[06:45] <ramah> Madpilot: I've got that bookmarked now thx
[06:45] <nalioth> Pickle_Weasel: dont compile, just apt you the 686 kernel
[06:45] <Pickle_Weasel> i can't apt, no net in linux >_<
[06:46] <Pickle_Weasel> i'd have to manually get the .deb and all the dependencies
[06:46] <nalioth> Pickle_Weasel: ouch
[06:46] <Pickle_Weasel> indeed =(
[06:48] <Madpilot> Pickle_Weasel: you'd have to do the same thing for the bits of the kernel you'd need, too...
[06:49] <IceDC571> i just installed breezy.. everything is working fine but i cant use apt-get because the install screen keeps launching in the F1 terminal, how do i stop that?
[06:49] <[DF2] > i'm having some problems with pppoeconf.. after running it it fails..when it tries to get a response for the access concentrator..
[06:49] <ramah> does ubuntu seem to eat up everyone elses ram? I'm running irc and firefox and i'm using almost a whole gb of ram
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> ramah,  linux uses all the ram it can for  cache. then gives it back when needed.
[06:50] <ramah> ah thx
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> use the 'free' command - see if any swap file is being used. :P
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> got enough ram and no swap will be used.  unlike in some other os's :P
[06:51] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : are you connected to modem _directly_?
[06:51] <[DF2] > its a usb adsl modem
[06:51] <IceDC571> what the hell? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=61420
[06:51] <IceDC571> first spam i've seen in the forums
[06:51] <[DF2] > right now i'm using the modem on this winblows box
[06:52] <ramah> is it telling me in bytes?
[06:52] <holycow> http://www.freedesktop.org/~jonsmirl/graphics.html  <-- fantastic backgrounder for n00bs on how x works
[06:52] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : does it see usb modem?
[06:52] <[DF2] > nope
[06:53] <[DF2] > but if i do
[06:53] <[DF2] > if i just do eciadsl-synch / gs7470_synch06.bin
[06:53] <[DF2] > it will synch successfully
[06:53] <benplaut> IceDC571, i'm assuming the non-existant image was a spyware spreading script...
[06:53] <[DF2] > when i do the next step.. eciadsl-start
[06:53] <[DF2] > step 1/5 is ok
[06:53] <[DF2] > step 2/5 is ok
[06:53] <[DF2] > step 3/5 tries to synch but then hangs.. nothings happens
[06:54] <[DF2] > i think its cause the pppoeconf isnt setup
[06:54] <IceDC571> how many people here have actually dist-upgrade'd to breezy?
[06:55] <IceDC571> i'm having so much problems doing a fresh install from daily cds
[06:55] <crimsun> install from colony 3
[06:55] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : i am not familiar with usb modem, but understood how pppoeconf works as i have done many times before i connected with the router
[06:55] <IceDC571> well whenever i install from colony 3 the post installer hangs as usual..
[06:55] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : did you check out wiki and forums?
[06:56] <crimsun> IceDC571: where does it hang?
[06:56] <[DF2] > yes ice.. but no good
[06:56] <[DF2] > http://users.tpg.com.au/johnd/dsl200.html#starting-eciadsl
[06:56] <dabaR> hello boys and hopefully at least sometimes girls..:)
[06:56] <mae> So.. err.. what is a good app i can quickly retag flac and mp3 files with? like large volumes of them :)
[06:56] <mae> gui
[06:56] <[DF2] > i found this guy.. very similar in setup.. but he runs fedora :(
[06:57] <IceDC571> crimsun, where it downloads the files with apt im always stuck at like 81% and its totally un-responsive and locked
[06:57] <[DF2] > not pppoeconf :(
[06:57] <crimsun> mae: easytag
[06:57] <crimsun> IceDC571: what does the installer log tell you? (alt+fX)
[06:58] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : interesting link. and it doesn't help ya, eh? hrm.
[06:58] <mae> woot, crashes :)
[06:58] <IceDC571> the log? well i think im better off looking at a file for the log.. but right now i dont get any errors its just apt-get downloading files at 0% and im on the internet right now talking in here with alt+f7
[06:59] <[DF2] > nah.. cause his pppoe part diff to ubuntu :(
[06:59] <IceDC571> the only problem i have is that the post installer still wants to install.. and i have no idea how to kill it from starting up all the time
[06:59] <crimsun> IceDC571: have you tried installing without an Internet connection?
[06:59] <Xanthus7> can you change attributes on a folder so it is not hidden
[07:00] <IceDC571> crimsun, it just stays at 0% without an internet connection too
[07:00] <[DF2] > can i pm u icemanv9?
[07:00] <IcemanV9> [DF2] : sure
[07:00] <[DF2] > thx
[07:00] <crimsun> IceDC571: have you filed a bug about this?
[07:01] <IceDC571> crimsun, well i think some people already know about it.. i've downloaded a daily live cd before and it gave me a dialog to bypass the installation since apt-get isnt receiving anything
[07:01] <IceDC571> the only problem is the bug came back after the latest daily
[07:02] <IceDC571> and i have no idea which version to download now.. as im running out of blank cds to burn with
[07:02] <Xanthus7> Buy RW Ice
[07:03] <jdrake> Is it possible to go straight from debian -testing to ubuntu -something or other?
[07:03] <IceDC571> i think theres something strange going on with the repository... but after all its breezy so it wont work for everyone
[07:04] <IceDC571> crimsun, have you installed breezy from the colony 3 release?
[07:04] <Xanthus7> Can anyone tell me if you can change attributes on a hidden folder so it is not hidden
[07:04] <dabaR> jdrake, likely...I tried doing that, and the base system would not install, IceDC571
[07:04] <IceDC571> dabaR, so what did you end up trying?
[07:05] <jdrake> hmm, probably safer to stick with debian then
[07:05] <dabaR> Xanthus7: hidden folders begin with a dot. if you remove it from the name, it wont be hidden.
[07:05] <teleute> Can anyone help me with recompiling mod_php4?  I need it to have mySQL support, which it does not currently have.
[07:05] <dabaR> jdrake: sorry. wrong message.
[07:05] <Agrajag> dabaR: don't tell him that, he'll rename .gnome2 or something and lose all his settings
[07:05] <jdrake> the only thing I want is xorg :p
[07:05] <dabaR> Agrajag: true. I was gona say... Xanthus7 why would you do that, though?
[07:06] <dabaR> IceDC571: Im a quitter by nature...so, that is what I did...
[07:06] <furic> How do i "restart the panel" as in the gnome panel at the top of my screen?
[07:06] <Xanthus7> I have wine/dvddecrypter installed and when it rips a movie it putting it in .wine/fakewindows
[07:07] <Xanthus7> so for convience sake was wanting to unhide the folder
[07:07] <dabaR> furic: killall gnome-panel. that is how you kill processes. if you are in gnome, tho, the gnome-panel is auto respawned, so that will restart it.
[07:07] <dabaR> Xanthus7: probably a bad idea.
[07:07] <Madpilot> teleute: you shouldn't need to recompile anything to get PHP4 & MySQL working together - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:07] <furic> Ahh, okies
[07:07] <Xanthus7> but that won't work because everything setup with .wine LOL
[07:07] <dabaR> try to find a setting to change where it saves the ripped file, Xanthus7 .
[07:07] <dabaR> Xanthus7: precisely.
[07:08] <furic> Oh no!
[07:09] <furic> I used smeg and now my system > preferences/admin menu's are blank, completly empty!
[07:09] <dabaR> use it to undo that, then.
[07:10] <furic> But it doesn't edit those menu's
[07:10] <teleute> Hi Madpilot...I'd already installed everything, so I tried the steps of removing the ; on the mysql.so line and restarting apache, and still nothing.
[07:10] <furic> or, its not supposed to be able to, theres no gui to it
[07:10] <teleute> In phpinfo(), the configure line shows '--without-mysql'
[07:10] <[DF2] > has anyone got any knowledge setting up pppoeconf with a usb adsl modem?
[07:11] <Madpilot> teleute: hmmm... no idea, sorry. It just worked for me, AFAIK - haven't actually run MySQL stuff yet
[07:12] <IceDC571> okay now im confused
[07:12] <IceDC571> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/
[07:12] <IceDC571> why is there 20050831 and 20050831.1??
[07:13] <IceDC571> what does the .1 mean?
[07:13] <teleute> Madpilot:  thanks anyway.  :-)
[07:13] <budluva> hello, im having a problem installing wine, apt-get install winesetuptk works fine, then i try to run winesetup and i get a no display variable set error....
[07:13] <teleute> Anyone else?  I have everything installed, but I can't connect to mysql through php, and phpinfo() shows --without-mysql in the configure line.
[07:13] <budluva> root@kronsy:~ # winesetup
[07:13] <budluva> no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
[07:14] <budluva> where do i set this variable?
[07:14] <dabaR> did it install wine?
[07:14] <budluva> no
[07:14] <budluva> i try to run winesetup and it spits out that error
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> budluva,  you logged into X as a user, then su'ed to root in a terminal?
[07:14] <budluva> Dr_Willis, yes
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> budluva,  well - you may want to run the winesetup as the user. not root.
[07:15] <budluva> same error
[07:15] <budluva> budluva@kronsy:~$ winesetup
[07:15] <budluva> no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> open up a new terminal. try "echo $DISPLAY"
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> sounds like for some odd reason your shell isent getting the display variable set.
[07:16] <budluva> budluva@kronsy:~$ echo $DISPLAY
[07:16] <budluva> :0.0
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> its set then., :P
[07:16] <budluva> well hrmm
[07:16] <furic> Where are the system menu's? is there some way to reset them to default?
[07:16] <budluva> why doesnt winesetup pick that up?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall ever running winesetup :P
[07:17] <budluva> well apt-get install wine doesnt install correctly
[07:17] <budluva> i try wine Avi2Dvd_setup.exe and it just spits out a bunch of garbage
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> may want to check the wiki's and forums for some wine help. I tend to use cedega
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> try somthing simpiler. :P
[07:18] <budluva> isnt cedega for games? or does it run apps too?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm games are apps. :P
[07:18] <budluva> and where is a cedega install howto as i know its not in any apt repos is it?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> cedega is not free. :P
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> so its not in the apt-repos.
[07:18] <setite> how do i stop kde from restoring the session... i twont and my startup script is not working
[07:18] <setite> cedega is free
[07:19] <setite> there is a free and a pay version
[07:19] <setite> googe for cedega cvs
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> from what i hear the cvs does not run all the games correctly however.
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> of course it depends on the game and the phase of the moon it seems.
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:19] <budluva> hrmm never really compiled on my own, will have to try it out i guess :P
[07:19] <setite> cvs is like anything else.. possibly unstable
[07:19] <budluva> i dont want cedega for games, i just want to run Avi2Dvd on my nix box
[07:19] <furic> The free version has no anti cd copy protection in it too
[07:20] <budluva> i dont want to shut down my machine to put my cdrw in my windows machine :P
[07:20] <setite> have you tried crossoverXoffice yet?
[07:20] <furic> so protected games wont work without a crack or whatever
[07:20] <abhayks> is crossover office free ?
[07:20] <setite> no
[07:20] <budluva> no, i have both crossover pro and cedega on my windows machine, which one should i try?
[07:20] <setite> i believe there is atrial
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> I do however - hear that the normal Wine - can run that New Pirates Game. :P
[07:21] <setite> budluva crossover kinda sucks IMHO
[07:21] <shekhar> hello can anyone tell me about any issues with running ubuntu on a thinkpad r51? i am considering purchasing one and will run ubuntu as my main os on iy
[07:21] <shekhar> it
[07:21] <setite> ive had better luck using cedega to install regular applications
[07:21] <IceDC571> lol
[07:21] <IceDC571> are you serious?
[07:21] <setite> me?
[07:21] <abhayks> Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu runs perfectly on my Thinkpad
[07:21] <IceDC571> yes you
[07:21] <setite> yea i am...
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> shekhar: should be fine
[07:22] <IceDC571> interesting...
[07:22] <setite> example.. simplest application.. brain wave generator
[07:22] <setite> wont install on cxoffice
[07:22] <setite> but cedega installs it fine
[07:22] <setite> yea crossoveroffice wont instlal anything i throw at it
[07:22] <budluva> how do i run an .sh file? just ,/blah.sh
[07:22] <budluva> ?
[07:22] <budluva> err ./blah.sh
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> or sh foo.sh
[07:23] <IceDC571> scroll wheel now works in latest breezy :)
[07:23] <setite> sudo sh bla.sh
[07:23] <setite> ok people im in windows right now and im pissed
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Moo?
[07:23] <IceDC571> why are you on windows?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:23] <setite> i restarted my lappy and ubuntu wont load my script
[07:23] <setite> i have a startup script for my evdo modem
[07:23] <setite> and its not running
[07:23] <abhayks> setite: which script ?
[07:23] <teleute> I'm trying to re-run through the directions to get LAMP working, and I get to "sudo apt-get install php4-mysql" and it says "E: Couldn't find package php4-mysql".  Any idea why it can't find thid?
[07:24] <setite> lemme find it.. i put it on the pastebin a few hours ago
[07:24] <setite> !pastebin
[07:24] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:24] <IceDC571> did you say evdo as in what vzw uses?
[07:24] <setite> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1783
[07:24] <setite> yea that
[07:24] <setite> i get an error about /dev/ttyusb0
[07:25] <budluva> can someone take a look at this
[07:25] <budluva> http://pastebin.com/351673
[07:25] <IcemanV9> teleute: you'll need to add repo (universe, multiverse)
[07:25] <budluva> does this seem right? after i su i get no $DISPLAY variable?
[07:25] <teleute> I thought I did...I'll double check, though.
[07:25] <setite> IceDC571 - it was working fine... then i rebooted my pc and now im getting errors...
[07:25] <Madpilot> !tell teleute about repos
[07:25] <dabaR> budluva: ya, root is not logged into $DISPLAY/
[07:25] <setite> i cant get on the internet from linux so i cant show you them
[07:26] <budluva> ahh ok
[07:26] <setite> because now i cant get my evdo working... i was trying to work my wireless....
[07:26] <IceDC571> setite, damn.. too bad i dont know anything about modems
[07:26] <setite> that is getting on my nerves.. getting an operation not permitted when i modprobe ndiswrapper...
[07:26] <setite> even with sudo
[07:26] <dabaR> setite: save the errors onto a disc...
[07:26] <setite> dont have any
[07:26] <setite> im in the middle of a parking lot right now
[07:27] <IceDC571> save it in a log file and upload it
[07:27] <IceDC571> oh
[07:27] <budluva> http://pastebin.com/351674
[07:27] <dabaR> cant get online:
[07:27] <setite> ya
[07:27] <budluva> well how come i cant get a $DISPLAY variable?
[07:27] <setite> how can i stop it from restoring the session
[07:27] <setite> i think that might be the issue
[07:27] <brownie17> Kemik: is there a default firewall in Ubuntu?
[07:27] <setite> i even tried loading a new session and it still restored the session
[07:27] <IceDC571> setite, gnome or kde?
[07:28] <setite> brownie17, technically no
[07:28] <setite> IceDC571, both sorta.. i use kde but the same errors are in gnome
[07:28] <dabaR> budluva: It seems like you could avoid it if you were to su, which is disabled in ubuntu...
[07:28] <setite> brownie17, there are iptables which sorta act like a firewall... not a firewall but can give you shit on some apps
[07:28] <budluva> well i tried su and su -
[07:28] <budluva> both didnt work
[07:28] <dabaR> su downt work, at all, right?
[07:28] <brownie17> setite: well i think i might have a hardware firewall in my adsl modem, but in my adsl modem config, there is no mention of a firewall
[07:28] <setite> you have to set a root password
[07:29] <budluva> no
[07:29] <budluva> su works for me
[07:29] <setite> sudo passwd root or some shit
[07:29] <setite> oh ok
[07:29] <setite> nvm
[07:29] <setite> brownie17, what is the disfunction
[07:29] <budluva> both su and su - work, but both dont read the $DISPLAY variable
[07:29] <budluva> i had this problem with wine too
[07:29] <setite> nice.. dont know wth that variable is
[07:30] <setite> im a noobie... all i can fix are the problems i've had already
[07:30] <setite> which as many as they are... arent much
[07:30] <brownie17> setite: when i try to use Amule, it says i have a LowID, and it takes hours to download one small song, which with 256k should only really take 1-2 mins right?
[07:30] <dabaR> maybe try setting it up... DISPLAY=0.0
[07:30] <budluva> i think its a variable for xserver's connection
[07:30] <IceDC571> brownie17, a lowID means you most likely have a firewall running
[07:30] <IcemanV9> set $DISPLAY=:0.0; export DISPLAY
[07:30] <dabaR> brownie17: use gtk-gnutella, works great here.
[07:31] <IcemanV9> see if it works as root
[07:31] <brownie17> iceDC571: yes, but how do i turn it off? how do i find out if it is hardware or software?
[07:31] <kemik> brownie17:  firestarter is a frontend to iptables that will let you specify firewall rules
[07:31] <teleute> Hmmm...I could've sworn I uncommented those, but I guess I dreamt it. *sigh* However, that doesn't seem to have fixed my php/mysql issue, though.
[07:31] <IceDC571> brownie17, well whats the make and model of your modem?
[07:31] <brownie17> kemik: so in termiinal: "sudo firestarter"?
[07:31] <setite> kemik - thanks for taking thatl.. i couldnt recall the app name
[07:31] <kemik> np
[07:31] <brownie17> acedc571: it's a D-Ling 502g
[07:31] <setite> D-Ling.. haha nice
[07:32] <brownie17> IceDC571: its a D-link 502g
[07:32] <IceDC571> okay
[07:32] <kemik> brownie17:  need to apt-get it first
[07:32] <brownie17> kemik: how do i do that?
[07:33] <kemik> synaptic
[07:33] <furic> Will someone please help me with this, my system is unusable without the system menu's, i've been a gnome user for all of 2 days, i dont know any of the application names to i cant launch then manually...
[07:33] <setite> sudo apt-get install firestart or kynaptic, synaptic, or whatever tickles yoru pickle
[07:33] <furic> I don't care how many settings i lose, i need those menu's back
[07:34] <setite> no menus.. wow
[07:34] <sickFLame> hello :)
[07:34] <brownie17> furic: what were you doing when the dissapeared?
[07:34] <holycow> right click on the panel
[07:34] <holycow> and add the applet
[07:34] <sickFLame> good morning europe
[07:34] <holycow> its called menu
[07:34] <IceDC571> brownie17, your modem does have a firewall, im trying to see how to turn it off
[07:34] <holycow> >_>
[07:34] <sickFLame> good evening us... or ..
[07:34] <sickFLame> whatever :)
[07:35] <IceDC571> yeah evening :)
[07:35] <furic> I used smeg, it killed the system menu's, even though its not supposed to be able to edit those.
[07:35] <IcemanV9> furic: right-click on the gnome panel and select either "main menu" or "menu bar"
[07:35] <dabaR> good thisMoment, sickFLame
[07:35] <holycow> oh system menus?
[07:35] <furic> IcemanV9: The applet is there, the system menu in particular is screwed
[07:35] <holycow> ah! ehe :) my bad
[07:35] <sickFLame> dabaR, aah yeah ! :) good thisMoment to u too :)
[07:35] <brownie17> IceDC571: really? there was no real mention of that in the documentation, maybe you could find out how to just open some particular ports, instead of turning it off completely
[07:36] <furic> the first two submenu's, something like admin and settings, its not even showing their names, just blank, with no submenu
[07:36] <holycow> don't know, but that should be fixable ... the dude that wrote smeg is usually around
[07:36] <IceDC571> brownie17, well i read the description breifly it said something about NAT (network address translation) but im not sure if its enabled by default
[07:36] <IcemanV9> ack! dunno about that.
[07:36] <brownie17> IceDC571: what is NAT? i think i did read something about that
[07:36] <brownie17> !NAT
[07:36] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, brownie17
[07:36] <sickFLame> hey is there anyone using PPPoE via MS CHap v2 or CHAP on Ubuntu  ???
[07:36] <furic> Well the most obvious way would be to force apt to overwrite all the configuration files that set up gnome menu's, but i have no idea how to do that
[07:37] <kemik> brownie17:  Network Adress Translation
[07:37] <dabaR> heh, not really something I think is done at all.
[07:37] <dabaR> lets try this...
[07:37] <dabaR> !smeg
[07:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[07:37] <brownie17> Kemik: yeah, but what does it do
[07:38] <IceDC571> brownie17, try going to a console and typing ifconfig.. let me know what it says for your 'inet addr'
[07:38] <furic> It edits the ubuntu applications menu
[07:38] <furic> Ooop
[07:38] <kemik> "translates" external "internet" adresses to "internal" LAN-adresses
[07:38] <IceDC571> that way i can see if your ip is internal or external
[07:38] <brownie17> iceDC571:  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[07:38] <brownie17>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[07:39] <IceDC571> do you have another one?
[07:39] <IceDC571> for eth0 i suppose
[07:39] <brownie17> ICEDC571:  inet addr:10.1.1.8  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
[07:39] <brownie17>           inet6 addr: fe80::20e:a6ff:fe3d:c686/64 Scope:Link
[07:39] <IceDC571> alright
[07:39] <IceDC571> so you do have a firewall
[07:39] <IcemanV9> furic: remove your .config/menus/applications.menu file and your menus will appear again.
[07:39] <furic> From where?
[07:39] <brownie17> IceDC571: how the sdhit do you tell that from the jaron i just sent you!?
[07:40] <IcemanV9> in your home dir
[07:40] <brownie17> IceDC571: haha
[07:40] <IceDC571> brownie17, try going to your browser and typing 10.1.1.1 and see if anything pops up
[07:40] <brownie17> IceDC571: yeh, it asked for my username and password, which i gave.
[07:41] <brownie17> IceDC571: now it is just waiting
[07:41] <IceDC571> brownie17, you should be able to open ports and configure your firewall from there
[07:41] <brownie17> IceDC571: yeah it is not doing anything but waiting
[07:41] <IceDC571> brownie17, because thats the address to your firewall/dsl modem
[07:41] <furic> IceDC571: Done, did nothing
[07:42] <IceDC571> brownie17, well try again or you might have a wrong pass
[07:42] <furic> restarted gnome-panel after too
[07:42] <brownie17> IceDC571: i'm fairly sure it is right, but i might have changed it since
[07:42] <furic> Er, IcemanV9
[07:42] <IceDC571> usually its like.. admin then (blank) for password by default.. or admin and pass for password.. i'll have to look at the manual
[07:42] <brownie17> IceDC571: oopps! it loaded, it just took a long time
[07:43] <IcemanV9> furic: logout and login again
[07:43] <kemik> brownie17:  10.* and 192.168.*.* and 172.?.*.* is internal adresses.. those are never used on the internet
[07:43] <furic> ...ok
[07:43] <brownie17> kemik: ok
[07:44] <Myrtti> ahhhhh
[07:44] <Myrtti> <3
[07:44] <brownie17> IceDC571: ok it has worked and im in the menu thing, but now how do i open some ports, or turn it off
[07:44] <Myrtti> ok
[07:44] <Myrtti> I'm having a strange problem
[07:44] <IcemanV9> what's the version of smeg?
[07:44] <IceDC571> brownie17, um.. im not too familiar with dlink but there should be a port forwarding section of some sort
[07:45] <Myrtti> everytime I add a new launcher to the gnome-panel, it kills itself, states that it can't save the config and loses ALL launchers except the one I just added
[07:45] <AzMoo> If I put something in /etc/fstab, that wont necessarily mount it on boot, will it?
[07:45] <brownie17> IceDC571: ok ill look for the words port forwaring
[07:46] <furic> IcemanV9: That did all of nothing.
[07:47] <IcemanV9> wow. that's all i could help. i dunno anything more. :(
[07:47] <dabaR> furic, have you tried so far the right clicking, add to panel, menu bar?
[07:47] <furic> dabaR: You completly mis understand my problem, let me take a screenshot...
[07:48] <brownie17> IceDC571: i could not find one mention of port forwarding
[07:49] <furic> http://211.30.113.130:8880/gnomesnap.png
[07:49] <IceDC571> brownie17, just look for port then
[07:49] <dabaR> furic: no, I didnt, did you try what I asked?
[07:50] <brownie17> well.. i dont think there is one of that either.. ill take one last look
[07:50] <furic> Look at the snapshot
[07:50] <pef> morning
[07:50] <dabaR> ya, I see, did you try that?
[07:50] <IceDC571> brownie17, or it might be under some strange name like games/applications
[07:51] <apokryphos> mornin' pef
[07:51] <IcemanV9> ah-ha! someone did have a same problem as furic's > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39298.html
[07:51] <IceDC571> brownie17, if you dont find anything like it.. just try turning off the firewall and you can use ubuntu to manage your ports
[07:51] <furic> dabaR: There, i just did it, and to no surprise at all now what i have is 2 menubars, both with the same lack of system menu's
[07:51] <dabaR> ok
[07:52] <brownie17> IceDC571: well i didnt, but how do i turn off the firewall?
[07:52] <brownie17> IceDC571: just disable the NAT?
[07:52] <IceDC571> brownie17, yep
[07:54] <dabaR> cat /etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu furic, tell me whether that has any reference of system, and prefs.
[07:54] <Myrtti> goarrrrr
[07:54] <furic> Oh shit... i deleted my .config/menu's folder instead of the file inside it. o.o
[07:54] <Myrtti> everytime I add a new launcher to the gnome-panel, it kills itself, states that it can't save the config and loses ALL launchers except the one I just added
[07:55] <furic> dabaR: Yes, it does
[07:55] <IceDC571> Myrtti, time to reinstall gnome?
[07:55] <Juhaz> furic, doesn't matter, those per-user settings should get recreated from system wide defaults
[07:55] <Myrtti> IceDC571: time to take the Windows-approach, you mean?
[07:55] <Myrtti> I try to avoid it
[07:55] <Myrtti> there must be a better way
[07:55] <IceDC571> Myrtti, haha.. okay.. kde? lol
[07:56] <Myrtti> I've got the .desktop files in .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/, but somehow gnome-panel seems to ignore those
[07:56] <furic> http://211.30.113.130:8880/settings.menu
[07:56] <Myrtti> IceDC571: time to take the Windows-approach, you mean?
[07:56] <djur> I can't get macromedia flash to play any sound..  Anyone know the cause of this?
[07:56] <No1Viking> How do I get things to autostart in Gnome?
[07:57] <kevor> Anyone know a way to play matroska (mkv) files?
[07:57] <IceDC571> i'll be back.. time to install ubuntu yet again
[07:57] <Juhaz> Myrtti, if you don't mind reseting other panel settings, just remove .gnome2/panel2.d and do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[07:57] <Myrtti> that would be lovely
[07:57] <bimberi> furic: something to try ->    sudo apt-get install --purge --reinstall gnome-menus
[07:57] <Myrtti> I've got tons of custom made launchers, which I don't want to do again
[07:58] <Myrtti> so if that helps, thanks Juhaz in advance
[07:58] <Juhaz> uhm
[07:58] <djur> see my sound is working just fine..  but I get no sound from flash..
[07:58] <furic> Reinstallation of gnome-menus is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[07:58] <djur> I've installed through the system, and from a tar file..
[07:58] <djur> both have the same problem
[07:59] <furic> This is probably linked to that advice i took from ubuntuguide. x.x
[07:59] <dabaR> hehe
[07:59] <dabaR> well, its not funny...
[07:59] <orgy> I have a geforce4 mx hooked up to a 53" tv. As soon as I try to do anything like watch a movie my computer will freeze, nothing I can do other than reboot. Any idea?
[07:59] <bimberi> furic: hm - is that the output from that command?
[07:59] <furic> bimberi: Yup
[08:00] <HrdwrBoB> could someone help me with running a liveCD from USB?
[08:00] <Myrtti> oh well
[08:00] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: From a usb cd drive or from a usb key?
[08:00] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: usb key
[08:00] <Myrtti> I guess I had to do those again sometime...
[08:00] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Let me find you some nice docs...
[08:00] <HrdwrBoB> I have a 1gb usb key and a laptop with no hard drive due to supplier incomptentance
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> incompetance
[08:01] <bimberi> furic: perhaps get the package via http://packages.ubuntu.com and put it in /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:01] <dabaR> tence
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> HrdwrBoB,  ya could check out the "DSL" disrto - its designed to run from things liek that.
[08:01] <FR500> hello
[08:01] <benplaut> hi
[08:01] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: it's quite easily doable, I did an install from ISo-On-USB once.. it'll be identical, surely.
[08:01] <FR500> is any of you using bmpx?
[08:01] <furic> Or i could try fixing my apt sources first
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> Dr_Willis: I have a 1gb key
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> why do I need to settle for DSL?
[08:01] <bimberi> furic: well yes :)
[08:01] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: http://d-i.pascal.at/
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> HrdwrBoB,  because they got detauled docs on how to get it working :P and it souldent be very hard to do.
[08:02] <Juhaz> uh oh
[08:02] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: basically, follow the syslinux steps with the livecd iso and that should do it.
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: excellent, thankyou
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:02] <bimberi> !repos
[08:02] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:02] <Myrtti> Juhaz: don't worry
[08:02] <dabaR> furic: did rm ~/.config/menus/applications.menu?
[08:02] <Myrtti> This is just instant karma
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> i need to get me a happy hacker keyboard some time.
[08:03] <cafuego> though that mobo has sicne exploded
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> my X40 currently netboots and I can run ssh fm the installer
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> but mmm
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> but i found this old heavy ibm keyboard that clicks loud. :P and I like it.
[08:03] <furic> dabaR: Yes yes, i rm'd the whole ~/.config/menus
[08:03] <FR500> what is a good audio player that uses gstreamer?
[08:03] <Myrtti> I guess I've just been a bad girl
[08:03] <Juhaz> heh
[08:03] <Myrtti> I'll take it in stride
[08:03] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[08:03] <Myrtti> must've been the meatballs
[08:04] <Juhaz> hopefully not swedish meatballs...
[08:04] <Myrtti> meatballs with red sweet pepper and some leipjuusto inside
[08:05] <Myrtti> SO didn't think they were that special
[08:05] <Juhaz> sounds nice
[08:05] <Myrtti> I should really try harder, perhaps my karma would be better
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> erm guys
[08:05] <ksmurf> !wiki
[08:05] <CaiN_SA> how do i get usplash into my system ?
[08:05] <furic> Sti
[08:05] <Juhaz> but then again, pretty much anything with red pepper would sound nice to me
[08:06] <Myrtti> yup. Oh well. Time to do those launchers.
[08:06] <furic> Still getting the same problem from apt, will use packages.ubuntu.com website
[08:07] <ksmurf> how do you set update your font cache?
[08:08] <ksmurf> !fonts
[08:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[08:08] <holycow> what happens when a process is a zombie and it refuses to die?
[08:08] <holycow> there is no way to kill it except to reboot?
[08:09] <jinx``> kill -9
[08:09] <Madpilot> holycow: I think you have to use a chainsaw on zombies... that's what Hollywood says, anyway! ;)
[08:09] <aftertaf> morning all :)
[08:09] <Juhaz> sometimes killing it's parent or child will help, but if it doesn't have one, reboot is pretty much the only way to prevent it from eating your brrrraaiins, err, system resources
[08:09] <Madpilot> hmmm.... brrrraaaiiiinnnnssss...hmmmm...
[08:09] <holycow> kill -9 doesn't do it either
[08:10] <holycow> heh
[08:10] <holycow> weird
[08:10] <aftertaf> isnt there a SIGTERM option you can feed to kill?
[08:10] <brownie17> ICEDC571: when i disabled NAT, no internet would work at all
[08:11] <brownie17> ICEDC571: then i tried to restart, and it wouldnt start up because it could not connect to the server to check the time
[08:11] <pepsi> hi
[08:11] <brownie17> ICEDC571: then it hung on "checking network interfaces" or something
[08:11] <Juhaz> aftertaf, kill does send SIGTERM by default, no need to feed anything
[08:12] <furic> cafuego: Whats iso-on-usb? is it just an iso written on to the pendrive using dd or something?
[08:12] <holycow> http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/0005.3/0061.html  <-- okay interesting
[08:12] <aftertaf> Juhaz:  theres another one then, more killy than that.
[08:12] <aftertaf> read it the other day.
[08:12] <brownie17> ICEDC571: then i had to turn my modem until after "network interfaces" and turn it off before "synching time with server"
[08:12] <Juhaz> that would be SIGKILL, the -9 does that, but you can't kill something that's already dead
[08:12] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:13] <pepsi> anyone using breezy? if so, did you use colony3?
[08:13] <aftertaf> SIGCHAINSAW
[08:14] <furic> bimbery: I tried downloading it to /var/cache/apt/archives like you said, apt still complains.
[08:14] <holycow> yeah according to the posts, the process notified its parent its dead but the parent hasnn't noticed yet
[08:15] <holycow> if it has no parent it appearently gets owned by init
[08:15] <holycow> is there a way to kick init to notice the process? if that makes any sense?
[08:16] <aftertaf> kde task manager ??? :)
[08:17] <bimberi> furic: what's error from apt?
[08:17] <furic> Reinstallation of gnome-menus is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[08:17] <furic> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:18] <furic> Im following a suspicion and completly removing it then reinstalling it
[08:18] <furic> seemed to work
[08:20] <Juhaz> furic, did you run the smeg as root? or just user?
[08:20] <aftertaf> linux can make you suspicious ;)
[08:20] <furic> Just user... i think
[08:20] <aftertaf> or superstitious :)
[08:20] <Juhaz> furic, try to create a new user and see if the menus work for it
[08:20] <furic> gksudo seems to be letting anything run as root after i've given my password just once
[08:21] <furic> Yeah ok, in a bit...
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> correct
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> 15minutes
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> is the standard timeout
[08:21] <brownie17> aftertaf: just like "music player" in the gnome panel menu is actualyl called "rythym bo" can anyone tell me what the "gnome bittorrent" is actually called?
[08:21] <Juhaz> only stuff gksudo'ed from the same pseudo terminal
[08:22] <pepsi> gnome-btdownload
[08:22] <bimberi> brownie17: gnome-btdownload (iirc)
[08:23] <furic> Seems like a security issue, an application convinces you to run something you know is fine in root, then it can run whatever it likes without asking...
[08:23] <bimberi> furic: "seemed to work"? - but no change to the menus?
[08:23] <bob2> furic: if you run a hostile application as your user, it has lots of other ways to circumvent security
[08:23] <furic> Im still reinstalling gnome-panel
[08:24] <bimberi> furic: ah, k :)
[08:24] <furic> Wow its gonna be fun if linux becomes popular enough to get more than a handfull of virus writers targeting it. :)
[08:24] <pepsi> so uh
[08:24] <pepsi> anyone using breezy?
[08:24] <bob2> asking ot ask is quite annoying...
[08:25] <bob2> furic: how does a virus getting root help it in any way?
[08:26] <furic> Well... it can... umm... mess with your bios? :S
[08:26] <brownie17> furic: why do those bastards even target linux at all, tell them to pester billy gates
[08:26] <ColonelKernel> whats the terminal app for ubuntu to select which services you want to run?
[08:26] <pepsi> bob2, are you saying that im asking to ask?
[08:26] <ColonelKernel> its like ntsysv for fedora
[08:26] <furic> Because linux actually presents a challange?
[08:26] <bob2> pepsi: I'm suggesting you'd be better off asking whatever breezy-related question you have, directly
[08:27] <No1Viking> What's the best antivirus application?
[08:27] <bob2> ColonelKernel: lots.  you can install sysv-rc-config or rcconf if you like.
[08:27] <bob2> No1Viking: for scanning incoming mail to windows machines?
[08:27] <bob2> ColonelKernel: update-rc.d is installed by default on ubuntu
[08:27] <furic> bimberi: No change, except now its saying it cant load the trash or mixer applet and asking me if id like to delete em
[08:27] <ColonelKernel> bob2,rccong thank
[08:27] <ColonelKernel> rcconf
[08:27] <No1Viking> Naaah, fo ubuntu
[08:27] <pussfeller> No1Viking: you can use clam-av with postfix
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> its been so long since i installed it I forgot what it was!!
[08:28] <bob2> No1Viking: there are no useful anti-virus applications for protecting ubuntu machines
[08:28] <bob2> just don't run crap
[08:28] <bimberi> furic: argh
[08:28] <bob2>  from untrusted sources and you'll be fine
[08:28] <pepsi> bob2, i only asked if anyone's using breezy because i had already asked my question in full a few minutes ago.. :) wanted to know if the colony3 build is worth downloading.. im running breezy now.. ive been doing updates daily and its gotten totally borked
[08:28] <pussfeller> there is no linux anti virus
[08:28] <furic> This is so much fucking fun i might just convert back to shitty old ugly kde
[08:28] <pussfeller> theres chkrootkit
[08:28] <pussfeller> and rkhunter
[08:28] <bob2> furic: language please...
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> theres clam-av and avg for linux
[08:28] <ColonelKernel> avg for windows is good
[08:28] <pepsi> bob2, so i was wondering if installing colony3 and then updating would be better than say from hoary to the latest packages
[08:29] <bob2> either way should be about the same now
[08:29] <bimberi> furic: just to make sure nothing has changed ->  killall gnome-panel
[08:29] <furic> I did
[08:29] <bob2> don't forget to file bugs about whatever screwed up before, tho
[08:29] <apokryphos> Now should be more stable than Colony 3, ideally, and it certainly is for me...
[08:30] <pussfeller> what colony3
[08:30] <pepsi> bob2, sometimes i cant execute stuff... entering a command in the terminal will make the terminal just sit there dead
[08:30] <apokryphos> pussfeller: snapshot of Breezy development
[08:30] <benplaut> [breezy]  shouldn't this sudoers file let all of the apps at the bottom connect without a password? what might be causing them to still require one?       http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1786
[08:30] <bimberi> furic: well ... that's me done I'm sorry :(
[08:30] <pepsi> but i get the same behavior in debian with their 2.6.12 kernel
[08:30] <bob2> pepsi: that is extremely broken
[08:31] <bob2> assuming it's reproducible with xterm
[08:31] <pussfeller> u shure its not just a command that takes along time to execute
[08:31] <pepsi> ps does not take hours to execute
[08:31] <pussfeller> sometimes gnome teminal wont take input anymore, its a bug or a memory thing or something, at least it was, mabe its been fixed
[08:32] <furic> I'm just going to delete things randomly till this works
[08:32] <pepsi> maybe its something with sudo.. i cant use sudo at all
[08:32] <bob2> er
[08:32] <bob2> figuring that out would be a good start
[08:32] <pepsi> k
[08:32] <pepsi> tried with xterm, same thing... will try more stuff
[08:33] <bob2> that sounds a lot like you did something odd to your system
[08:34] <bob2> e.g. broke /proc or devpts
[08:34] <furic> Screw gnome.
[08:34] <pepsi> i didnt, except maybe with synaptic as a proxy ;)
[08:35] <pussfeller> can you log into a real terminal, like cnt alt 1 and do anything?
[08:35] <pepsi> haha... no way jose.. a real terminal gives me a screen with characters approx 1 pixel tall
[08:35] <pepsi> the video is completely borked when its on a real terminal
[08:35] <benplaut> !sudoers
[08:36] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[08:36] <benplaut> grr
[08:36] <benplaut> !bat bot
[08:36] <ubotu> benplaut: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:36] <jiggafellz> is there anyway to stop ubuntu from changing the time when i restart in another OS?
[08:36] <hawking> how can i join newsgroups? is there a programme for that for ubuntu?
[08:37] <Juhaz> thunderbird?
[08:37] <bob2> jiggafellz: explain more clearly what you mean
[08:37] <bob2> hawking: you don't join them, you use a news reader to subscribe.  thunderbird is one choice.
[08:37] <jiggafellz> well, when i shut ubuntu down and restart in win2k my time is like 18hours ahead.
[08:38] <hawking> bob2: thanks
[08:38] <davidmccabe> Hi folks.
[08:38] <pepsi> one OS is saving in GMT the other in local time
[08:38] <jiggafellz> ahh
[08:38] <holycow> well one solution is to start up the player via cli, so if it zombies killing the shell should do the trick this time :)
[08:38] <jiggafellz> hmmm.
[08:38] <cafuego> jiggafellz: then you have the timezone set up wrong; WinXP will be saving in local time, Linux in GMT.
[08:38] <davidmccabe> I am looking for a package with nvidia-settings. I have universe and multiverse enabled, but I don't see such a package. This is on hoary. Any pointers? Thanks.
[08:39] <cafuego> jiggafellz: You can either fix that in Linux or simply run 'ntpdate' at bootup
[08:39] <cafuego> !find nvidia-settings
[08:39] <ubotu> nvidia-settings: (Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 491 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB
[08:39] <bob2> jiggafellz: so, you told ubuntu your clock was in gmt; edit /etc/default/rcS to tell it it's not
[08:39] <benplaut> is there a graphical sudoers editor out there?
[08:40] <jiggafellz> hmm.  thanks guys.
[08:40] <bob2> emacs in X
[08:40] <pepsi> bob2, im not sure how else to diagnose this problem... sudo does not work.. gksudo included
[08:41] <synd> how long should it take to resize the partition?
[08:41] <brownie17> cafuego: i am trying to port forward with my D-link DSL 302g adsl modem/router. when i click add Nat Rule, it says "501. Method not implemented"
[08:41] <bob2> pepsi: you're using the development, known-broken version of ubuntu, so you need to be able to define "does not work" a lot more strictly
[08:41] <bob2> e.g. with strace output
[08:41] <bob2> brownie17: me too
[08:41] <bob2> brownie17: they appear to be broken pieces of crap masquerading as modems
[08:41] <cafuego> bloody hell!
[08:42] <cafuego> !stab indian callcenter monkeys
[08:42] <ubotu> cafuego: Are you smoking crack?
[08:42] <pepsi> bob2, right.. i understand... thats what im saying.. i dont know how to define it more exactly
[08:42] <brownie17> bob2: you mean you are getting exactly the same problem
[08:42] <cafuego> brownie17: Odd. Mine works fine.
[08:42] <bob2> brownie17: I get method not implemented when tryign to do a few things with them
[08:42] <cafuego> Ar you on the latest firmware?
[08:43] <cafuego> (Mind you, mine's a 604, not a 302)
[08:43] <bob2> I need to go pick up my linksys so it can do all the network stuff, and just make the d-link be a bridging modem
[08:43] <pepsi> will `sudo passwd root` all that is needed to enable the root account? perhaps if i login as root and try, but root has no password right now
[08:43] <brownie17> cafuego: should i ring the support center?
[08:44] <cafuego> brownie17: If it's not working as advertised, yes. Either that or go get your money back.
[08:44] <cafuego> pepsi: You don't need a root account.
[08:44] <bob2> I'm not sure why I'm surprised
[08:44] <bob2> everything I bought from dlink has been crap
[08:44] <pepsi> ill have to login to a text terminal as root to do it, but im blind in the text terminal, so i gotta know exactly what im typing
[08:44] <bob2> pepsi: no you don't
[08:44] <benplaut> [breezy]  shouldn't this sudoers file let all of the apps at the bottom connect without a password? what might be causing them to still require one?       http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1786
[08:45] <synd> what file system should i use to partition?
[08:45] <cafuego> synd: ext3
[08:45] <synd> cafuego: thanks
[08:45] <cafuego> synd: That would be 'Linux' (82) in fdisk.
[08:45] <cafuego> Sorry, 83.
[08:45] <pepsi> bob2, gotta enable root... cant do it in X since i cant sudo :) so i was gunna boot up in single user mode real quick
[08:46] <synd> cafuego: how long does it take to resize the partition?
[08:46] <pepsi> but like i said, text terminals are borked, so i have to type blindly
[08:46] <cafuego> synd: in between2  minutes and 18 hours.
[08:46] <synd> cafuego: 40GB
[08:46] <cafuego> synd: in between 2 minutes and 18 hours.
[08:47] <synd> ..ok
[08:47] <cafuego> see also 'blue' ;-)
[08:47] <synd> ..
[08:49] <cafuego> as in: I have no idea
[08:49] <apokryphos> synd: it shouldn't take long; a matter of minutes.
[08:50] <brownie17> bob2: i rang my ISP's help desk, and they said that they weren't alklowed to help me port forwarding
[08:50] <brownie17> bob2: peices of shit
[08:50] <synd> apokryphos: been sitting at 0% for about 5 mins
[08:50] <brownie17> bob2: is there a help center for the actual D-link?
[08:50] <apokryphos> synd: then something has probably gone wrong :/
[08:50] <Determinist> brownie17: why not RTFM?
[08:50] <synd> apokryphos: :/
[08:50] <benplaut> how do i clear (temporarily) the 'safe time' in Sudo?
[08:51] <davidmccabe> oops, machine crashed.
[08:51] <davidmccabe> in case you answered my previous question, I didn't see it.
[08:51] <davidmccabe> so please repeat it.
[08:51] <brownie17> determinist: RTFM? sorry, what are you talking about?
[08:51] <bob2> benplaut: man sudoers, hint: timeout
[08:52] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about RTFM
[08:52] <brownie17> determinist: the modem did not come with anything but a VERY basic manual, and i know exactly how to do it, but it just comes up with any error. peice of shit
[08:53] <tritium> brownie17, language please
[08:53] <Determinist> brownie17: model of modem please, i'll get you a manual
[08:53] <brownie17> tritium: sorry
[08:53] <bob2> to be fair, brownie17 is right, the d-link dsl-302g is pretty shit :)
[08:53] <brownie17> determinist: D-link dsl 302g
[08:54] <brownie17> bob2: this is really the first problem i have ever encountered, but its config is pathetic, and it often jams, and i have to reset it
[08:54] <bob2> yes
[08:54] <bob2> and the dhcp server locks up randomly
[08:55] <Determinist> <--- doesnt like DSL
[08:55] <bob2> I like DSL, I just hate d-link.
[08:56] <Determinist> that entire VPN thing just to connect to the net sucks big time
[08:56] <bob2> vpn? you mean atm?
[08:56] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[08:56] <tritium> hola nalioth
[08:57] <Gorgonzola> can anyone here recommend a good KVM switch (that supports USB, and audio too preferably)?
[08:57] <Determinist> bob2: over here it's either pppoe or pppoa, so yes, certain ISPs use ATM
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> dlink--
[08:57] <Gorgonzola> not a linux question but im sure people in here use them :)
[08:57] <nalioth> Gorgonzola: i'm using an iogear brand kvm with usb and audio
[08:57] <Determinist> bob2: and last i've checked, ppp = certain type of VPN
[08:57] <bob2> ppp is just a transport
[08:57] <Gorgonzola> nalioth, what model and would you recommend it?
[08:57] <bob2> it's no more a vpn than IP itself is, just because GRE exists
[08:57] <synd> Gorgonzola: belkin.
[08:58] <benplaut> !sudo timeout is <reply> to extend your timeout limit to whatever is allowed in /etc/sudoers, just type "sudo -v" and enter your password. To kill the timout period, try "sudo -k"
[08:58] <ubotu> benplaut: okay
[08:58] <Determinist> bob2: i dont think so. PPP is a protocol that enables you to create sessions with remote hosts, not really like IP.
[08:58] <Gorgonzola> synd, belkin has all the right features.... but i personally think they are horribyl ugly :) and an awkward shape... i'd like a box shaped one :P
[08:58] <nalioth> Gorgonzola: i have a two port model with usb and audio. are you in the western US?
[08:59] <bob2> Determinist: so you consider dialup internet access to be a vpn, too?
[08:59] <benplaut> this is really odd...
[08:59] <Gorgonzola> nalioth, nah mate, im in australia
[08:59] <Determinist> bob2: most ISPs around here use PPTP/PPPoE over either ATM or IP lines, so yes , I would definately call that VPN
[08:59] <benplaut> i have 4 items on my sudoers list that shouldn't require a password, however, all but one of them still ask for a password
[08:59] <nalioth> Gorgonzola: i'm sure iogear brand is found there somewhere
[08:59] <brownie17> gorgonzola: as am i!
[09:00] <Determinist> bob2: and no, that's not VPN, that's simply dialup. the difference lies in authentication
[09:00] <Determinist> bob2: and data encryption and a number of other factors
[09:01] <Gorgonzola> nalioth, yeh im sure i'll find them somewhere
[09:01] <bob2> er, PPPOE doesn't do encryption
[09:01] <Determinist> bob2: i never said it did
[09:01] <Determinist> smoke break, bbiab, and bob2 i'm sure you're right and i'm wrong somewhere in that small discussion we just had, i just cant really be arsed to figure out where exactly :P
[09:03] <Gorgonzola> nalioth, does your KVM let you switch each device independently? eg, can you run audio from one machine while using keyboard/mouse/monitor on the other?
[09:04] <nalioth> Gorgonzola: i dont use the audio or video connector. i just use it for kb/mouse
[09:04] <Gorgonzola> oh ok
[09:04] <nalioth> Gorgonzola: need to find a kvm with dvi instead of vga
[09:05] <Gorgonzola> nalioth, yeh i just though then that i'd probably want DVI to future proof it... even though i currently use VGA
[09:06] <aftertaf> !pppoe
[09:06] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you on ritalin?
[09:06] <aftertaf> !ppp
[09:06] <ubotu> aftertaf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:06] <bob2> you can talk to the bot in /msg...
[09:07] <pepsi> bob2, i fear it may be a problem with vmware's kernel modules
[09:07] <bob2> so
[09:07] <bob2> in future, when reporting weird behaviour, mention things like that...
[09:07] <pepsi> everything seems to work fine until i `sudo vmware-config.pl` which compiles the modules and install them
[09:07] <pepsi> right.. i just figured that out though
[09:08] <pepsi> i often try to run vmware and then i remember it doesnt work with this kernel
[09:08] <No1Viking> pepsi, what kernel?
[09:08] <pepsi> 2.6.12-7 btw.. it worked with earlier 2.6.12's.. dunno when it broke though
[09:09] <benplaut> heh
[09:09] <benplaut> well, an improvement! finally!
[09:09] <No1Viking> i'm using hairy, standard 5.04 and Vmware works
[09:09] <benplaut> works w/ sudo, but not gksudo
[09:10] <pepsi> yes, hoary works fine
[09:10] <pepsi> and the borked console video is cause of vga=773 passed to the kernel, which _used_ to set it to 1024x768
[09:11] <Tomcat_> 0x318 is 1024x768 here...
[09:12] <benplaut> setting boot+console res is quite borken in breezy, unfortunately
[09:12] <aftertaf> does ubuntu have a standard installed pppoe client?
[09:12] <benplaut> seems to be a conflict with usplash
[09:13] <bob2> aftertaf: yes
[09:13] <pepsi> the console resolution is less of a problem for me than vmware breaking stuff :)
[09:14] <benplaut> uuhgg... VMware
[09:14] <benplaut> i hate that peice of )*&%
[09:14] <Determinist> bob2: any idea if any of the repos have the freenx agent/server?
[09:14] <pepsi> oh i see.. if i dont pass vga=foo, it puts up a splash.. thats new
[09:14] <bob2> no, it's too confusing to go into ubuntu yet
[09:14] <Determinist> bob2: define confusing?
[09:15] <aftertaf> bob2:  what is the package name????
[09:15] <bob2> aftertaf: apt-cache search pppoe!!111
[09:15] <bob2> Determinist: it includes an entire copy of xlibs
[09:15] <nalioth> aftertaf: use your terminal and type "apt-cache search pppoe"
[09:15] <bob2> and installs to /usr/FreeNX by default
[09:16] <aftertaf> i have!!
[09:16] <Determinist> bob2: which is not good.
[09:16] <aftertaf> i'm trying to find one that is installed by default for a user w/o a connection to internet....
[09:16] <nalioth> aftertaf: have you seen http://packages.ubuntu.com   ?
[09:16] <bob2> aftertaf: sudo pppoeconf
[09:18] <Belutz> is there a problem with ubuntu and intel 855GME chipset? my lecturer just called me, and he use the live cd, and he said that the X wont start?
[09:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can I change the mask width of items on the taskbar?
[09:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[09:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> max width
[09:19] <bob2> Belutz: sometimes
[09:19] <ZincX> breezy is good to go now ?
[09:19] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: i'm sure you can, but dont ask me where to do it
[09:19] <nalioth> ZincX: a surprise around every corner
[09:19] <pepsi> ZincX, tell my laptop that its good to go :)
[09:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> Or, preferably, I want to make it so that instead of having a little bar at the bottom, I can show the task as a single icon, like on OS X.
[09:20] <ZincX> :P
[09:20] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: you are not the only one who wants this
[09:20] <Belutz> bob2: is there any workaround?
[09:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> Do you want it too? :-P
[09:20] <bob2> Belutz: you can manually configure X
[09:21] <bob2> Belutz: using the output of ddcprobe
[09:21] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: somebody photoshopped a "linux gnome desktop" over at gnome-art.com or wherever and people have been comin in here wanting the "osx theme"
[09:21] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: i have several macs, i dont really like OSX
[09:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> I don want a complete OS X theme.
[09:21] <Belutz> bob2: so it still can work? what about the performance?
[09:21] <bob2> Belutz: it will work fine
[09:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> don't*
[09:21] <bob2> with whatever level of "performance" you ever get from silly integrated video chipsets
[09:22] <Belutz> bob2: does he have to install the driver from intel?
[09:22] <tritium> Belutz, it should just work automatically.  That's what I have on this Toshiba Tecra A2
[09:22] <bob2> Belutz: no
[09:22] <ZincX> seriously.. is it out now
[09:22] <bob2> Belutz: as I said, it's just a configuration problem
[09:23] <bob2> which is fixed in breezy, aiui
[09:23] <jdub> nalioth, apokryphos: you guys now have op access when it is required for, ah, "channel control"
[09:23] <nalioth> jdub: thank ya
[09:24] <Belutz> bob2: ok, so breezy already fixed this problem
[09:24] <aftertaf> so, to resume (and not being stupid on purpose), pppoeconf is a pppoe client
[09:24] <bob2> aftertaf: no
[09:24] <aftertaf> erf
[09:24] <bob2> aftertaf: as the name indicates, and as the help text indicates, and as the package description indicates, it's a config tool
[09:26] <aftertaf> something not clear concerning adsl / pppoa / pppoe . .  . .
[09:26] <aftertaf> its a n00b minefield :/
[09:26] <Carpe_Libertatem> I tried Kubuntu last night. I had forgotten how much I disliked KDE.
[09:27] <milksteak> heh
[09:27] <milksteak> I always try Gnome
[09:27] <milksteak> like it
[09:27] <milksteak> but find myself going back to KDE
[09:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> KDE is too candy-like.
[09:28] <Madpilot> too XP-like, you mean...
[09:28] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:28] <Digis> why amule in breezy, doesnt include amuleweb support?
[09:28] <esc_ape> I really like gnome
[09:28] <traveller> is there a way i can add programmes into the menu?
[09:28] <esc_ape> install smeg
[09:28] <NoUse> !smeg
[09:28] <ubotu> smeg is, like, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[09:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> It's more candy-like than XP.
[09:28] <nalioth> !tell traveller about smeg
[09:28] <traveller> oh thanks
[09:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> Azureus is acting dumb. I've changed the default port several times, and it still tells me to open on the port it was installed for.
[09:31] <carthik> when i try to play anything in xmms the bloody app just freezes
[09:31] <carthik> anyone know why? or how to fix it?
[09:31] <carthik> i have tried uninstalling and then installing it... to no good
[09:32] <NoUse> carthik run it from the console and see if it outputs anything to the screen
[09:32] <carthik> NoUse, no - and it does not have a --debug option in the man file
[09:32] <traveller> it seems like smeg is not available for amd64
[09:33] <NoUse> carthik do other media players work?
[09:33] <carthik> NoUse, xine does
[09:34] <omp342> traveller: i can teach you how to manually add in gnome menu entries
[09:34] <carthik> NoUse, and until yesterday when i uninstalled and reinstalled xmms and all that went with it -- mplayer did too
[09:34] <carthik> NoUse, do you know of another simple music player, that does not expect me to build "libraries" of music and that dont hog all my screen?
[09:35] <intelikey> play ?
[09:35] <NoUse> carthik mpg123
[09:36] <NoUse> carthik or beep
[09:36] <carthik> NoUse, thanks will try that for now - desperately want to listen to music
[09:36] <Madpilot> carthik: Muine? or does that break your "no libraries" rule?
[09:36] <carthik> NoUse, but i thought beep was just xmms fnomified or something?
[09:36] <carthik> Madpilot, thanks i will try that too...
[09:36] <NoUse> carthik well it can't hurt to try it
[09:37] <traveller> omp342: that would be nice
[09:37] <pepsi> blarg.. ima install colony3 and see how broken it is :)
[09:37] <tritium> pepsi, there are newer daily images you can try
[09:37] <omp342> traveller: in /usr/share/applications/ there are a lot of .desktop files, make a copy of one and edit the variables inside (very easy)
[09:37] <omp342> traveller: if you need help ask me
[09:38] <traveller> omp342: i'll look around, thanks
[09:38] <omp342> traveller: to edit .desktop files you can use any text editor
[09:38] <carthik> Madpilot, i am scared of mono :(
[09:39] <pepsi> tritium, i think colony3 is dated like august 17th or so.. thats new enough i hope :) ill do an update afterwards.. or do you think its best to install from the latest iso?
[09:39] <carthik> Madpilot, i mean, i dont mean to live on the edge and all that... and somehow i have this perception that mono slows the computer down - at startup and all...
[09:39] <Madpilot> carthik: I haven't had any trouble with it. Rythymbox wasn't cooperating with me, but Muine has been flawless
[09:39] <tritium> pepsi, either way is fine.  Just wanted to point it out
[09:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> How can I change the icon associated with an application?
[09:39] <pepsi> tritium, ok
[09:39] <omp342> traveller: and if you can't do it, i can make one for you :)
[09:39] <carthik> Madpilot, alright, whats there to lose? ;)
[09:40] <ZincX> i use totem to play everything
[09:40] <carthik> i just wish xmms worked, though
[09:40] <pepsi> cafuego, what kind of issues?
[09:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> I use GTKPod and XMMS.
[09:40] <carthik> ZincX, that shoudl eb painful for music - eh?
[09:40] <cafuego> pepsi: Didn't install, didn't boot.
[09:40] <pepsi> oh
[09:40] <traveller> omp342: i don't see any .desktop files
[09:40] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, and xmms... :) I would love to have my xmms back
[09:40] <omp342> traveller: it won't show as .desktop if you just go to the folder, but they are all .desktop files
[09:40] <tritium> pepsi, slomo was having trouble with colony 3 on his ibook
[09:40] <omp342> traveller: do this in a terminal and you'll see
[09:41] <cafuego> Mind you, the breezy install on my AMD64 is starting to get good, now.
[09:41] <omp342> traveller: ls /usr/share/applications
[09:41] <pepsi> carthik, how is using rhythmbox painful for music?
[09:41] <carthik> pepsi, ever tried managing those libraries?
[09:41] <pepsi> carthik, if your ID3 tags are set right it makes it easy to find stuff
[09:41] <ZincX> carthik, not really.. it has a playlist.. so it aint half that bad
[09:41] <carthik> pepsi, i dont essentially carry all my music around on my hdd
[09:41] <omp342> traveller: if you want, private message me and i'll help you step by step
[09:41] <pepsi> i dont manage it, i just tell it to import my music folder.. then it buiilds the library and im done
[09:42] <traveller> omp342: oh ok...i found it....wasn't used to this type of tab completion
[09:42] <ZincX> and i can save the playlist.. i wouldnt have to load the same files twice again
[09:42] <intelikey> i use play but i don't have mp3's  i don't know if sox handels mp3's or not.   it handels ogg and wav just fine...
[09:42] <_Rappy_> Hi all! Doesn anyone know how I add icons to the Applications-menu in an easy way? As an example I installed the Opera webbrowser yesterday from an tar.gz file, but as for now the only wayt I can easly start it is by "alt+f2"
[09:42] <carthik> ZincX, today i tried totem-xine, and to add a dir full of songs i had to add songs to the playlist one by one - either i couldnt find the button to "Add all" or there wasnt one such button - which is the same thing...
[09:42] <pepsi> rhythmbox's habit of deleting music that isnt currently mounted is quite annoying, though
[09:42] <pepsi> deleting from the library that is
[09:42] <carthik> pepsi, i dont have one music folder
[09:43] <carthik> pepsi, i have around 250 gigs of music
[09:43] <pepsi> so what?
[09:43] <aftertaf> a cd you install ubuntu with should be recognised by apt-setup as an apt source, right?
[09:43] <Madpilot> !tell _Rappy_ about opera
[09:43] <ZincX> carthik, havent you heard of drag and drop ?
[09:43] <carthik> arranged in cds dvds and external hdds...
[09:43] <carthik> ZincX, i dont use nautilus much
[09:43] <pepsi> ok, well then.. i dunno man.. rhythmbox works for me... thats all i know about it
[09:43] <intelikey> aftertaf it will say "non-ubuntu cd in the drive"  lol
[09:44] <omp342> traveller: here's an example of a .desktop file i made for ppracer (the racing game) http://rafb.net/paste/results/PhYo8d66.nln.html
[09:44] <traveller> omp342: thanks
[09:44] <carthik> ZincX, and besides the playlist editor shoudl have a browse and "add all in current directory" button - for idiots like me - if nothing else
[09:44] <aftertaf> intelikey:  why is that? how do you install extra packages w/o internet then?
[09:44] <intelikey> it is already set up for the install cd... i don't know why the error....
[09:45] <aftertaf> it says wrong fs type bad superblock on /dev/cdrom
[09:45] <carthik> pepsi say i add all my sources as libraries and want to listen to a song... it says "cant find source" but wont tell me what the source is! (in the case of external hdds)
[09:45] <aftertaf> intelikey:  thats what i thought too....
[09:45] <aftertaf> bad CD, or cdrom drive on its way out...?
[09:45] <ZincX> woah.. 250 gigs.. then rythmbox is rythmbox is probably the best.. if its that many mp3s
[09:45] <ZincX> rythmbox is*
[09:45] <omp342> traveller: the only hard part is "Categories=" (getting it to appear in the right submenu)
[09:45] <carthik> pepsi, i dont mean to diss rhythmbox - just that most of the time all i want to do is listen to a dir or two full of songs - is all...
[09:46] <intelikey> aftertaf that error indicates that the device or the mount point is incorrect
[09:46] <aftertaf> its alaptop with one cd drive.....
[09:47] <_Rappy_> thanks madpilot, but I only used Opera as an example. How can ANY program I install by not using a package be added to the Applications menu?
[09:47] <aftertaf> sometimes wont mount cds, says no meduim found, then on reboot, finds it...
[09:47] <intelikey> try something like "mount /dev/hd<b or which ever your cdrom is> /cdrom "
[09:47] <omp342> traveller: if you want to (for example) get something to appear in the internet menu, look at the .desktop of a program in the internet menu (for example gaim) and see what the Categories= is set to
[09:47] <traveller> omp342: will do
[09:48] <Madpilot> _Rappy_: by building a .desktop file for it - see that wiki page for the Opera example
[09:48] <omp342> and to create a .desktop file in that folder you'll need to be root... i believe it's the sudo command in ubuntu (i don't use ubuntu)
[09:48] <omp342> traveller: ^^
[09:49] <BjornW> Are there any people here that have experience in setting up a HPT370 RAID controller?
[09:49] <traveller> omp342: no worries, i'll get all that sorted
[09:49] <_Rappy_> Madpilot, thanks again :)
[09:50] <carthik> time to get that terabyte hard drive...
[09:50] <carthik> Madpilot, muine crashed on me with a segmentation fault - no issue though...
[09:50] <omp342> traveller: okay, and for it to appear in the menu you'll either have to restart X or write "killall gnome-panel" in a terminal (it will close gnome-panel and reopen it)
[09:50] <carthik> Madpilot, thanks again.
[09:50] <omp342> traveller: if you need anything else, ask :)
[09:50] <carthik> pepsi, i will give rhythmbox another chance :)
[09:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> What are some neat apps that Linux has, that Windows doesn't?
[09:50] <pepsi> whats LVM?
[09:51] <aftertaf> pepsi:  dynamic disks
[09:51] <pepsi> carthik, to be fair, i got used to iTunes which rhythmbox obviously mimics
[09:51] <intelikey> lvm = large valum media
[09:51] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, diff, comm etc?
[09:51] <intelikey> volume
[09:51] <Carpe_Libertatem> Something a non-techie guru could use? :-P
[09:51] <omp342> according to google
[09:51] <omp342> Logical Volume Manager: LVM
[09:51] <alejandro> :)
[09:51] <Xanthus7> is a quickpar program for linux
[09:52] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: there are thousands of things for *nix that are not exactly the same in the windows world
[09:52] <aftertaf> Carpe_Libertatem:  google for "linux windows equivalent" and follow the .ru link
[09:52] <omp342> and there are a lot of things for windows that linux doesnt have =/
[09:53] <omp342> no photoshop :(
[09:53] <ekimus> noone needs photoshop
[09:53] <ekimus> vim + gcc are enough :)
[09:53] <omp342> i do
[09:53] <carthik> omp342 dude there is gimp
[09:53] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[09:53] <cafuego> omp342: Gimp
[09:53] <omp342> i have gimp
[09:53] <omp342> but..
[09:53] <carthik> and you can effectively skin it to behave like photoshop,
[09:53] <omp342> it's not too easy to use gimp after using photoshop for a few years
[09:53] <ekimus> can gimp do cmyk coloring?
[09:53] <cafuego> ekimus: yes
[09:54] <omp342> everything is in different locations =/
[09:54] <cafuego> ekimus: it even has payware pantone support
[09:54] <benplaut> omp342, can you live with Photoshop 7?
[09:54] <omp342> yep
[09:54] <carthik> omp342, refer my skin comment above
[09:54] <cafuego> take off, hoser. photoshop 4 was like the best one.
[09:54] <benplaut> !wine
[09:54] <ekimus> cool, looks like they added some fatures that were really needed for professional color works
[09:55] <intelikey> !+wine
[09:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wine is a compatibility layer used by linux to let it run [some]  windows programs. To install a recent version, go through the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996   to find more information, as well as a list of applications that will work with wine, go to http://www.winehq.org, or try here ... http://www.winehq.org
[09:55] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: if ya got to that russian equivelants link, ya got a lot of readin to do
[09:55] <omp342> hmm does photoshop work with wine?
[09:55] <benplaut> yup
[09:55] <benplaut> PS7, anyway
[09:55] <omp342> i have cedega so i tried using it and it didnt work
[09:55] <cafuego> omp342: CS or CS@ probably don't.
[09:55] <omp342> ill give wine a try though
[09:55] <ekimus> omp342: get codeweavers crossover office (costs here 50 EUR)
[09:55] <benplaut> omp342, cadega is exclusively for games, small wonder it didn't work
[09:55] <omp342> :)
[09:55] <BjornW> !+raid
[09:55] <ubotu> raid is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[09:55] <benplaut> cxoffice is godsend
[09:55] <omp342> who thinks i should get ubuntu? :P
[09:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> One thing Linux DOES really need to do is install all apps to a specific location. That'd make things so much easier.
[09:56] <ekimus> Carpe_Libertatem: they are
[09:56] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Sounds like what you want is a Mac.
[09:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> I love Ubuntu. It convinced me to use Linux again, after trying crap like Mandrake, Red Hat, etc.
[09:56] <ekimus> Carpe_Libertatem: you just don't know them (the locations)
[09:56] <omp342> i'm using gentoo right now
[09:56] <cafuego> !pal
[09:56] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[09:56] <omp342> gentoo and ubuntu are my fav distros
[09:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> I mean, every app needs to be put in the same place. :-P
[09:56] <omp342> even though they are like the opposite :)
[09:57] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, it installs them in a set of predefined locations: /usr/bin /usr/sbin/ /usr/local/bin etc
[09:57] <omp342> cafuego: what's so funny? :P
[09:57] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: the whole OS keeps track of things, so you don't need to, usually...
[09:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> Usually is the operative word.
[09:57] <esc_ape> so, I currently have an ATI card, but I am not pleased with the driver situation. I want to purchase a nvidia card - nothing too fancy - just basic 3d. what card would work w/o trouble in ubuntu?
[09:57] <intelikey> omp342 ubuntu is not for everyone.   if you think you would/do like it. then use it.  if not don't.
[09:57] <cafuego> esc_ape: any.
[09:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> Who isn't Ubuntu for?
[09:57] <haakonn> any further ideas about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=328336 ? (the free radeon/ati driver freezes my xorg)
[09:57] <cafuego> esc_ape: Just don't get a geforce 4.
[09:57] <ekimus> Carpe_Libertatem: and what would these locations be? have a look at the FHS it's well defined were applications _should_ be (in most cases they are there)
[09:57] <intelikey> Carpe_Libertatem anyone that doesn't want it.
[09:58] <esc_ape> cafuego: what do you recommend?
[09:58] <omp342> esc_ape: ATI isn't that bad
[09:58] <AzMoo> cafuego, what's wrong with a gf4?
[09:58] <ekimus> Carpe_Libertatem: bill gates and steve jobs i guess
[09:58] <omp342> esc_ape: i have a 9800 pro and everything runs fine
[09:58] <cafuego> esc_ape: I have a 5700 TDH myself, on amd64, which works fine.
[09:58] <Madpilot> ekimus: :)
[09:58] <omp342> i still prefer ati over nvidia :)
[09:58] <cafuego> esc_ape: The 6800s seem popular, but i think they're kind of pricey
[09:58] <cafuego> omp342: the fglrx driver doesn't work on non-x86
[09:59] <omp342> the only thing keeping me at gentoo is the portage system
[09:59] <omp342> i <3 it
[09:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> One thing I noticed, I always have very little RAM free. Is this typical of Linux? My system doesn't lag or anything.
[09:59] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Yes, Linux uses ram optimally, so if it's not needed for apps, it will use it as disk/file cache.
[09:59] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: (free ram is a waste)
[09:59] <ekimus> Carpe_Libertatem: that's just a different design than windows (the less free ram u have the better - in linux)
[09:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> I agree.
[09:59] <omp342> cafuego: yah i know, that's why i use x86 linux while i have a amd64 processor :)
[10:00] <omp342> cafuego: i couldn't get radeon drivers to work on amd64
[10:00] <cafuego> omp342: That's why I don't give ATI money
[10:00] <intelikey> yes linux allocates ram for apps that the apps might use.   ram will generally be about 85% used
[10:00] <omp342> oh well
[10:00] <ekimus> ati is crap...
[10:00] <omp342> i still like ati more :P
[10:00] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: I'm at 97% RAM usage, 40% in cache... system is fine, and has been for a week...
[10:00] <cafuego> omp342: I knew it didn't work, so I went nvidia.
[10:00] <IceDC571> do the ati drivers work on breezy?
[10:01] <Ng> Carpe_Libertatem: if you open a terminal and run "free -m" the "-/+ buffers/cache" line shows how many MB of RAM is actually being used by programs. should show most of your ram is being used for cache/buffer :)
[10:01] <cafuego> haakonn: Yeah, they work fine with the open driver, the Mac mini has one too.
[10:01] <omp342> cafuego: i have 130gb of free space
[10:01] <omp342> :P
[10:02] <intelikey> if you are using xchat the sinfo.pl script (don't use it here) should show the actual free ram    it is much higher than you think.
[10:02] <aftertaf> is there anyway to copy all packages off the installation cd and define their place as a repository.....?
[10:02] <cafuego> omp342: Unless you're using that as swap sapce, it's irrelevant.
[10:02] <IceDC571> i got banned from freenode saying clonebots are not allowed?? wtf?!.. strange
[10:02] <haakonn> cafuego: exactly. for non-gamers, they're just perfect, and inexpensive too
[10:03] <intelikey> aftertaf you still cant get it mounted ?
[10:03] <aftertaf> nope...
[10:03] <haakonn> plus i'd sooner chew my arm off than use filthy proprietary drivers ;)
[10:03] <pepsi> i need a bigger HD for my laptop :(
[10:03] <cafuego> aftertaf: find /media/cdrom0 -name "*.deb" -exec cp {} /var/cache/apt/archives \;
[10:03] <aftertaf> or sometimes we can mount it, not always...
[10:03] <aftertaf> cafuego:  :)
[10:03] <cafuego> haakonn: My flight sim addiction can't be satisfied by free drivers ;-)
[10:03] <IceDC571> well fglrx is saying 2d support is enabled but not 3d.. is this okay if i dont play much games?
[10:04] <intelikey> yes you could make an iso of the disk aftertaf,  and mount -o loop the.iso /mount.point
[10:04] <haakonn> cafuego: let me know if you need someone to chew your arm off, then
[10:04] <cafuego> aftertaf: Better yet is to not copy the udeb files.
[10:04] <omp342> my counter-strike: source addiction can't be satisfied by cedega
[10:04] <cafuego> haakonn: Not the yoke arm!!!!
[10:04] <omp342> that's why i'll need to install windows on another partition
[10:04] <haakonn> i'm just yoking of course
[10:04] <aftertaf> intelikey:  ok... but weird that apt-setup says non ubuntu disk..... will it do that if it has trouble mounting?
[10:05] <aftertaf> or it'll be more likely, no media found... ?
[10:05] <cafuego> boom tish. he's here all week. try the beef.
[10:05] <intelikey> shouldn't aftertaf no
[10:05] <intelikey> yes no media.
[10:05] <aftertaf> ok.
[10:05] <pepsi> yes no.. like "left, right?"
[10:06] <IceDC571> so no one has ati drivers running on breezy?
[10:06] <intelikey> lag.....
[10:06] <pepsi> "which way do i turn? left right?"... "right, left"
[10:06] <omp342> IceDC571: why won't ati drivers work on breezy? (i'm curious)
[10:07] <IceDC571> i have no idea
[10:07] <dreamie> hey
[10:07] <IceDC571> i wish ati included an uninstaller with their installer
[10:07] <IceDC571> now im stuck
[10:07] <omp342> lol
[10:07] <dreamie> how can i install a virus scanner in ubuntu?
[10:07] <omp342> do you have amd64 version of linux? or x86?
[10:07] <aftertaf> idea... could be the cd burner, or could be the cd itself... an ios fro ubuntu site.
[10:07] <Burgundavia> dreamie, ubuntu does need it, but clamav to help your windows friends
[10:07] <cafuego> dreamie: What will you use it for?
[10:07] <IceDC571> dreamie, use clamav, theres a howto on it in www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:08] <haakonn> here's an antivirus script for you: echo 'Your computer is virus free!'
[10:08] <intelikey> dreamie running a mail server there ?
[10:08] <aftertaf>  burn the whole iso file to disk, as a file, not as an image, copy it to linux as an iso file and mount it as a virtual cd.
[10:08] <aftertaf> that could work... ?
[10:08] <cafuego> aftertaf: Just copy it using 'dd'
[10:09] <jiggafellz> how do i edit my rcS file?  in console?
[10:09] <intelikey> yeah if it will fit on the cd.
[10:09] <aftertaf> eh cafuego  ??
[10:09] <Nalioth> jiggafellz: with any text editor you please
[10:09] <cafuego> jiggafellz: with any editor running as root
[10:09] <cafuego> aftertaf: yes?
[10:10] <aftertaf> how do i do that???? dd --help :  command not found .
[10:10] <jiggafellz> ok.  but the file is read-only.
[10:10] <IceDC571> um.. how did i not know about http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ??
[10:10] <cafuego> aftertaf: 'dd if=/dev/hdc of=ubuntu.iso bs=1M'
[10:10] <aftertaf> whoah ;)
[10:10] <cafuego> aftertaf: repalce hdc with whatever device your cdrom is (no mounting needed)
[10:10] <aftertaf> cheers a lot ;)
[10:11] <georgeblunt> g'morning
[10:11] <jiggafellz> hmm
[10:11] <hhurtta> how do I set irssi to automatically identify to Nickserv on Freenode
[10:12] <Nalioth> cafuego: glad you reminded me, i need to compile my fsck with hfs support
[10:12] <Nalioth> hhurtta: use a script from irssi.org
[10:12] <intelikey> man irssi   and make an .ircrc file
[10:12] <cafuego> Nalioth: Isn't there one in hfsplustools ?
[10:12] <hhurtta> Nalioth: ok, thanks
[10:12] <Nalioth> cafuego: never heard of em
[10:12] <cafuego> Nalioth: apt-get install hfsplustools
[10:12] <cafuego> !info hfsplustools
[10:13] <cafuego> hmm
[10:13] <Nalioth> hmm
[10:13] <cafuego> !info hfsplus
[10:13] <ubotu> hfsplus: (tools to access HFS+ formatted volumes), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
[10:13] <intelikey> !+hfsplus
[10:13] <ubotu> intelikey: I give up, what is it?
[10:13] <cafuego> Dunno if that includes an fsck
[10:14] <aftertaf> cafuego:  dd: invalid number '1m' :/
[10:14] <bob2> so
[10:14] <jinx``> i want to use a cronjob for psybnc. how is it possible to start this service with a special user, not with root?
[10:14] <bob2> my d-link modem has blacklisted some ip ranges, it seems
[10:14] <bob2> e.g. internode's mirror
[10:14] <aftertaf> done man dd, no help to me.
[10:14] <cafuego> aftertaf: 'M' is not 'm'
[10:14] <bob2> this is insane
[10:14] <intelikey> aftertaf man dd
[10:15] <cafuego> bob2: Your modem? Or your ISP?
[10:15] <aftertaf> a*r*s*e ;)
[10:15] <bob2> cafuego: according to ping, my router says destination unreachable for mirror.internode.on.net
[10:15] <cafuego> You said it, not me ;-)
[10:15] <cafuego> bob2: Are you ON internode?
[10:15] <bob2> cafuego: yes
[10:15] <cafuego> bob2: Weird
[10:16] <cafuego> with your odd nashville IP
[10:16] <kspath> apt-get install mtr
[10:16] <kspath> mtr will help you see  where things stop
[10:16] <cafuego> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 24.834/24.980/25.058/0.209 ms (mirror.internode.on.net ping statistics)
[10:16] <bob2> 59.167.61.68 is a weird ip, too
[10:17] <intelikey> i thought mtr was part of the default install
[10:17] <kspath> mtr is like ping and traceroute combined
[10:17] <cafuego> bob2: Yeah, they have a previously unassigned Ip range (59.167.x.x) which a lot of ISPs block (due to its previous unassignedness)
[10:17] <bob2> mtr use resulted in beatings at the meeting when warty's package list was determined
[10:17] <intelikey> still thought it installed with the basesystem..... but what do i know.
[10:17] <bob2> cafuego: ahhh
[10:18] <cafuego> ah, node are beta testing smtp auth
[10:18] <pepsi> thats a silly ISP then if they dont even _try_ to let you connect
[10:18] <Myrtti> FFS
[10:19] <Myrtti> I did a rilly stupid thing
[10:19] <cafuego> bob2: http://cgi.internode.on.net/advisories/item.html?id=3004
[10:19] <bob2> pepsi: if people are filtering unassigned ip ranges, they're doing it at the router level, and just dropping all packets from them
[10:19] <Myrtti> how do I downgrade my system back to where it was on the last boot?
[10:19] <bob2> Myrtti: you can;t, in general
[10:19] <cafuego> bob2: However, mirror.i.o.n SHOULD let you in just fine.
[10:19] <Myrtti> in general?
[10:19] <Nalioth> cafuego: it's called "hpfsck" for whatever reason
[10:19] <bob2> Myrtti: perhaps you should just explain what you did
[10:20] <intelikey> down grade as in un-upgrade....  hehhe
[10:20] <Myrtti> my hands are shaking
[10:20] <Myrtti> sorry
[10:20] <bob2> cafuego: yeah, it seems very much like the modem has some built-in bogon list
[10:20] <cafuego> bob2: joyful
[10:20] <bob2> cafuego: (thanks for the url)
[10:20] <Myrtti> I wanted to install the newest version on gnubiff
[10:20] <cafuego> now if was a BOGAN list...
[10:20] <Myrtti> and the easiest way to do it since I couldn't install it from the sources because of all the dependencies and all
[10:20] <bob2> my packets absolutely do not wear flannel
[10:20] <Myrtti> was from debian unstable
[10:21] <bob2> please don't tell us you pointed apt at sid
[10:21] <bob2> if you did, welcome to reinstall-country
[10:21] <Myrtti> I know what packages it upgrades
[10:21] <bob2> or welcome to sid
[10:21] <Myrtti> upgraded
[10:21] <cafuego> bob2: mocassins?
[10:21] <Myrtti> and I haven't booted the system since
[10:21] <intelikey> looks like a reload would be best Myrtti
[10:21] <Myrtti> reload? as in reinstall?
[10:21] <bob2> Myrtti: so, your question is "I upgraded to sid and now I want ubuntu hoary back"?
[10:22] <bob2> reinstalling is your best bet
[10:22] <Myrtti> in panic, yes
[10:22] <Myrtti> so doing backups and then reinstall
[10:22] <Myrtti> mmmmkay
[10:22] <bob2> it's possible to fix, but the knowledge required to do so would have prevented you having this problem to begin with ;)
[10:22] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:22] <pepsi> you could remove everything and then install ubuntu-desktop again :)
[10:22] <cafuego> bob2: see also http://www.cafuego.net/internode-usage.php
[10:22] <Myrtti> i want to do something really really really harmful to myself
[10:22] <dreamie> like what?
[10:22] <Ng> install Mangina ;)
[10:23] <Ng> or whatever it's called now ;)
[10:23] <Myrtti> hit my head to solid steel
[10:23] <intelikey> pepsi the horri cd wont install with formating the / ...
[10:23] <Myrtti> as hard as I can
[10:23] <dreamie> go ahead, i wont stop you
[10:23] <pepsi> intelikey, ?
[10:24] <intelikey> err without ^
[10:24] <intelikey> sorry.
[10:24] <pepsi> intelikey, i meant he could use aptitude and remove all but the very essential packages, then install ubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <intelikey> k
[10:25] <pepsi> did that a few times with breezy.. no fun
[10:25] <intelikey> yeah easest to reload.
[10:25] <sunpascal> hey,
[10:26] <omp342> i'm tempted to install ubuntu
[10:26] <sunpascal> can anyone help me with my screen resolution in ubuntu 5.04
[10:26] <sunpascal> I can't get it higher than 800 x 600
[10:26] <ekimus> anyone made centericq work with google talk?
[10:26] <intelikey> you said that omp342 .      so why are you trolling with it ?
[10:27] <ekimus> sunpascal: /etc/X11/xorg.conf search for the screen section, screen resolution should be obvious to find then
[10:27] <sunpascal> I did.
[10:27] <sunpascal> still doesn't work, though
[10:27] <sunpascal> I changed it to 1024 x 768
[10:27] <ekimus> sunpascal: paste xorg.conf to some pasteservice i'll look into it
[10:27] <sunpascal> allright
[10:28] <intelikey> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server sunpascal
[10:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> What exactly is the role of Gnoppix in the Ubuntu Project?
[10:28] <ekimus> oh yeah, there's a script for that.... i'm used to the manual config :)
[10:28] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: gnoppix = ubuntu live cd
[10:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yes, but there's an Ubuntu Live CD, and there's also Gnoppix.
[10:29] <bob2> which are byte for byte identical
[10:30] <intelikey> hmmm so gnoppix is deb also ?
[10:30] <bob2> no
[10:30] <bob2> it's based on Debian in the same way ubuntu is
[10:30] <sunpascal> ekimus, I put it on http://pastebin.com/351753
[10:30] <Carpe_Libertatem> So what's the point of having Gnoppix? =P
[10:30] <intelikey> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server   <--- that should help ya sunpascal
[10:31] <bob2> ask the gnoppix people
[10:31] <Carpe_Libertatem> I don't know where they live.
[10:31] <pepsi> gnopville
[10:31] <sunpascal> intelikey, I get "Package 'xorg-server' is not installed and no info is available."
[10:31] <intelikey> :)
[10:31] <sunpascal> which is kind of weird since I am using gnome right know....
[10:31] <pepsi> isnt it xserver-xorg?
[10:32] <intelikey> so do a "apt-cache serch xorg"  and find the correct package...
[10:32] <ekimus> sunpascal: checking it out
[10:32] <ekimus> sunpascal: are you running hoary?
[10:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> !breezy
[10:32] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[10:33] <intelikey> pepsi probably i was running on short range ram   i'm not on ub right now
[10:33] <sunpascal> pepsi, that helps
[10:33] <sunpascal> it is xserver-org
[10:33] <wnorrix> i need a ftp server
[10:33] <wnorrix> does ubuntu have a ftp server?
[10:33] <aftertaf> apt-cache search ftp
[10:34] <intelikey> :)
[10:34] <intelikey> good call aftertaf
[10:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:34] <IceDC571> whats a good low-end nvidia card if i dont do much gaming?
[10:34] <aftertaf> i do know a little ;)
[10:34] <aftertaf> IceDC571:  ati Rage Pro ;)
[10:34] <Myrtti> I'll never ever touch sources.list again
[10:34] <mjr> IceDC571, why nvidia if you don't?
[10:35] <mjr> why not something with open drivers
[10:35] <mjr> but gotta go
[10:35] <IceDC571> okay
[10:35] <ekimus> sunpascal: http://pastebin.com/351757 (marked the changes with comments)
[10:35] <aftertaf> intelikey:  problem being this case with the laptop not on internet, without an apt-source on cd, getting pppoe installed ..... :)
[10:35] <geneo93> gf4 mx4000
[10:35] <intelikey> yes... aftertaf some hurtles are higher than others.
[10:36] <aftertaf> empire state bldg :)
[10:36] <aftertaf> intelikey:  and the guy is in australia, i am in france :)
[10:36] <aftertaf> small world, huh?
[10:36] <intelikey> at least you are not trying to move the iso via floppies
[10:36] <mushtaq> hi i have about 12 pc's in network to install ubuntu what is the best way ? any advise will be appreciated
[10:37] <intelikey> that can be done....    errr at least in theory
[10:37] <aftertaf> intelikey:  LOOOOOL
[10:37] <ekimus> mushtaq: in the debian install manual there's a section about multi setup (i think)
[10:37] <mushtaq> can you give the link ?
[10:37] <sunpascal> thanks ekimus. i' ll try that
[10:37] <mushtaq> ekimus, can you give the link
[10:38] <ekimus> mushtaq: www.debian.org -> install manual
[10:38] <ZincX> there is a single line to put on /etc/fstab if i wanted to load /dev/hdb1 when i reboot.. what is that line ?
[10:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> Anyway besides VMWare to run Windows inside of Lin?
[10:38] <sunpascal> ok, how do restart gnome without rebooting?
[10:38] <aftertaf> !tell ZincX about mount
[10:38] <intelikey> ZincX load ?
[10:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> sunpascal: you can restart the panel by typing sudo killall gnome-panel
[10:38] <ZincX> mount**
[10:38] <ekimus> ZincX: you can get that info easily by reading your /etc/fstab and "man mount fstab"
[10:39] <ZincX> !windowsdrives
[10:39] <ubotu> somebody said windowsdrives was Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[10:39] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, you can use crossover office to install windows apps but you prolly know that already
[10:39] <intelikey>  /dev/hda1 /<mount_point> <fs-type> defaults 0 0    or such like.
[10:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, I don't really like crossover office.
[10:40] <geneo93>         /dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults 0 0
[10:40] <aftertaf> ok. we've mounted the .iso and apt-setup says non ubuntu disk in drive.....
[10:40] <aftertaf> grrrrrrrrrr!
[10:40] <sunpascal> thanks, Carpe_Libertatem
[10:41] <intelikey> yes aftertaf edit the file manually and set the path.
[10:41] <intelikey> from within apt-setup ^
[10:42] <intelikey> then apt-get blah
[10:42] <geneo93> apt-cdrom add
[10:42] <sunpascal> no...
[10:42] <sunpascal> doesn't help
[10:42] <aftertaf> intelikey:  isnt there a pile of checksum stuff to identify the disk,??
[10:42] <aftertaf> or i just put deb cdrom://
[10:42] <intelikey> beets me.
[10:43] <intelikey> i'm newer to ub than you are.
[10:43] <aftertaf> loooooooool
[10:44] <intelikey> but if you set the path in the apt-setup option to edit manualy   then you can apt-get install blah    i've done that.
[10:44] <aftertaf> what should we put in the sources.list file then??? deb cdrom:// ??
[10:44] <aftertaf> is that all?
[10:45] <intelikey> no use the cdrom stuff that is already there only change the path to your new mount point.
[10:45] <jiggafellz> i tried to change some various options and i have a message in the windows that says, I am not the owner.  How, do I become the "owner" ?
[10:46] <intelikey> sudo blah
[10:46] <geneo93>         deb cdrom:[ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_
[10:46] <robotgeek> lots of breezy updates rolling in!
[10:46] <lunitik> robotgeek: my ISP is gonna hate me... lol
[10:47] <robotgeek> lunitik: i am gonna squeeze every byte of bandwidth i get :)
[10:47] <omp342> hmmm.. i tried installing photoshop 7 with wine and got this error: "This operating system is not supported by this installation. For Windows NT 4, you must have service pack 6a or greater to install."
[10:47] <traveller> does anyone using ubuntu amd64 have this problem where the speakers let out a beep (not a system bell) on whenever a key is pressed or is repeating?
[10:47] <intelikey> geneo93 but the cdrom is an iso on hd mounted loop
[10:47] <Ichanz> hi
[10:47] <aftertaf> intelikey:  there is nothing about cdrom in sources.list, thats the pb!!
[10:47] <Myrtti> I think this is working
[10:47] <carthik> traveller, that doesnt sound like a problem - thats intended behavior
[10:48] <robotgeek> carthik: hi
[10:48] <geneo93> intelikey:  well use that path then
[10:48] <Myrtti> I love this if it's working
[10:48] <traveller> carthik: it's annoying me :/ that's a problem....any chance you know how to disable it?
[10:48] <carthik> traveller, if it bugs you there is some place in the Apllications->system tools -> configuration editor where you can change it
[10:48] <robotgeek> carthik: does everything work now? hdd
[10:48] <shinu> where does apache keep my website? ^^'
[10:48] <aftertaf> geneo93:  what is the full string for the cdrom entry??
[10:48] <robotgeek> traveller: Preferences -> sound
[10:48] <intelikey> deb <path>:[ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_           <--- something like aftertaf
[10:48] <robotgeek> shinu: try /var/www
[10:48] <lunitik> robotgeek: you still having issues with Rhythmbox? it'll run here now... but won't play .pls files  :(
[10:49] <intelikey> where <path> is the real path  not reletive.
[10:49] <lunitik> (won't even acknowledge they are around)
[10:49] <traveller> carthik: i've been through it a few times...maybe it's only me but i don't see anything that relates to the beeps, but i'll try harder thanks
[10:49] <carthik> robotgeek, never figured it out -- will though - i got to the hotplug blacklist and see something there... will reboot and load the usb modules one by one and see what works
[10:49] <geneo93> mines diff because i have kubuntu
[10:49] <robotgeek> lunitik: i stopped using that, i stick to bmp now :)
[10:49] <traveller> robotgeek: even turning off sounds for events produces the beeps
[10:49] <intelikey> i think that needs a closing  ]  doesn't it...
[10:49] <shinu> robotgeek: just a random question, var means various?
[10:49] <geneo93>         deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[10:50] <robotgeek> shinu: ur guess is as good as mine!
[10:50] <lunitik> robotgeek: I'm using BMP... even have Rhythmbox gone from menu thanks to Smeg... but would be nice if it would work... kind of miss the system tray feature  :(
[10:50] <shinu> robotgeek: ok thanks :)
[10:50] <carthik> traveller, apps->gnome-terminal->default enable "silent bell"
[10:50] <intelikey> aftertaf you are listening to geneo93 aren't you.
[10:51] <robotgeek> traveller: did u turn off system bell feature?
[10:51] <aftertaf> yep :)
[10:51] <sunpascal> is there a way to add local ubuntu repository mirrors?
[10:51] <aftertaf> ctl X ctl V :)
[10:51] <intelikey> k  i'm out of here.
[10:51] <robotgeek> lunitik: try getting kdocker, and dock bmp
[10:51] <traveller> robotgeek: i did turn off system bell, this is a totally different sound
[10:51] <aftertaf> thx guys.
[10:51] <sunpascal> I couldn't find a list on the ubuntu site
[10:51] <lunitik> robotgeek: kdocker? sounds like a kde app?
[10:51] <robotgeek> traveller: ah okay..then try what carthik said
[10:51] <Myrtti> oatmeal porridge, comfort food #1
[10:51] <robotgeek> lunitik: i think so, but i had to compile from source anyway...no dependencies
[10:52] <traveller> it's still letting out beeps, this happens not only in gnome-terminal
[10:52] <Ubuntu-Pk> what is the link to the ubuntu packages
[10:52] <traveller> it beeps everywhere
[10:52] <Ubuntu-Pk> i need alot of ubutnu packages, what is the link to the ubuntu package download website
[10:52] <robotgeek> traveller: do u want to stop it completely? u could do that from the volume control panel too
[10:52] <ZincX> here is the problem... when i mount /dev/hdb1 .. only the root can access the folder.. i have to type su.. and then use root browser evrytime.. i was wondering if i can access it without being root all the time
[10:52] <traveller> robotgeek: i need sound, but i don't want the key beeps
[10:52] <robotgeek> ZincX: try pmount
[10:53] <geneo93> ubuntu synaptic is your friend
[10:53] <robotgeek> traveller: i am not really sure, havent used linux desktops in a while
[10:53] <lunitik> traveller: System > Preferences > Sounds ... "Sound Events" tab... turn the annoying onces off
[10:54] <georgeblunt> has anybody of you guys used chroot to emulate a 32bit system on a 64bit linux distro, yet?
[10:54] <carthik> traveller, did you by any chance turn on an "accessibility" feature that emits beeps when keys are pressed?
[10:54] <Ubuntu-Pk> yeup, got the synapti
[10:54] <Ubuntu-Pk> how to install the package from synaptic
[10:55] <Georgiepoo> Anyone know if there is an applet that will function as a gmail notifier?
[10:55] <traveller> carthik: i've been to the accessibility config, but never turned anything on, it's all off there, and i have this thing going since installation
[10:55] <robotgeek> ZincX: though, you might want to use the drive mounter panel applet. if u have it your fstab, make sure that u are the owner, not root
[10:55] <carthik> traveller, ouch
[10:55] <aftertaf> ok... we got an apt source :)
[10:55] <aftertaf> but package pppoe is not available but is referred by another.......
[10:55] <carthik> traveller, must have beeped a lot as you typed out stuff now, then?
[10:55] <geneo93> Ubuntu-Pk:  you need to add a few repos first
[10:55] <Ubuntu-Pk> hmm, repos?
[10:55] <traveller> carthik: yeah, every bloody key
[10:56] <robotgeek> Georgiepoo: i know of perl and python scripts, and firefox extensions
[10:56] <ompaul> !repos
[10:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:56] <geneo93> the settings tab Ubuntu-Pk
[10:56] <aftertaf>  package pppoe has no installation candidate
[10:56] <ompaul> jdub u about and can I msg you?
[10:56] <Georgiepoo> robotgeek: Could you point me towards either the perl or the python one?  Whichever you recommend.
[10:57] <ompaul> jdub, make that may I msg you :)
[10:57] <geneo93> aftertaf:  just search pppoe
[10:57] <Ubuntu-Pk> what is a repository
[10:57] <traveller> can't find the sound in System > Preferences > Sound > Sound Events either
[10:57] <robotgeek> Georgiepoo: obligatory disclaimer, i pulled them off websites :)
[10:58] <geneo93> repos are where all the apps are
[10:58] <ompaul> Ubuntu-Pk, a place where software for your ubuntu system resides for download are
[10:58] <Georgiepoo> robotgeek: No worries :)
[10:58] <robotgeek> Georgiepoo: http://conky.sourceforge.net/gmail.pl
[10:58] <ompaul> s/sare/is
[10:58] <Ubuntu-Pk> okay got it
[10:59] <Georgiepoo> robotgeek: Thank you much
[10:59] <robotgeek> Georgiepoo: np
[10:59] <geneo93> Ubuntu-Pk:  you need universe and multiuniverse
[10:59] <robotgeek> hey..conky is out with a new version, thanks Georgiepoo !
[11:02] <aboe> I have a question: is ubuntu good enough to run as a server?
[11:03] <ompaul> aboe, yes
[11:03] <geneo93> aboe:  yes
[11:04] <aboe> can it be installed using images...so it can be set up easily or do you have to configure everything again??
[11:04] <geneo93> well when you install just tell it server
[11:04] <aboe> I'm trying to get a nearby computer store interested in setting up a demo pc with ubuntu linux..
[11:05] <aboe> but they have reservation about it...namely the support and server qualities.
[11:05] <ompaul> aboe, what kind of server are we talking here
[11:05] <geneo93> so use the live cd then
[11:05] <aboe> mainly mail and file server
[11:06] <geneo93> you dont need server
[11:06] <aboe> uh
[11:06] <geneo93> oh thats no biggy
[11:06] <joachimaa> i can only play one sound at once.. any way to fix it?
[11:06] <aboe> ok just a normal setup with samba would suffice??
[11:06] <ompaul> aboe, yeap
[11:07] <ompaul> aboe, and play around with the mailer
[11:07] <carthik> joachimaa, get all apps to use esd as the audio output
[11:07] <aboe> thanks...and another question about support...can a local pc store get support for linux and ubuntu??
[11:07] <ompaul> aboe, it is postfix and that is just easy
[11:07] <ompaul> aboe, they can come here
[11:08] <ompaul> or they can pay for support if they want
[11:08] <aboe> i'm surfing right now to postfix and reading it
[11:08] <fredrik_> how does one solve the xorg missing fixed fonts problem in breezy?
[11:08] <ompaul> !support
[11:08] <ubotu> support is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[11:08] <aboe> thanks
[11:08] <aftertaf> shame pppoe isnt on the cdrom :/
[11:08] <davro> there is plenty of commerical support out there for linux ...
[11:08] <aboe> I like ubuntu because of the support in the forums and irc...
[11:08] <ompaul> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/
[11:09] <ompaul> aboe, so it is not the same as windows you can get the help you need :)
[11:09] <ubunt> hi
[11:09] <joachimaa> carthik, ah thanks. I can't find the setting in vlc, though, do you happen to know where it is?
[11:09] <ompaul> good morning .se
[11:09] <ubunt> i was wondering. how long does it usually take for ubuntu to boot up?
[11:09] <ompaul> ubunt, that would be machine dependant
[11:10] <carthik> joachimaa, no clue dont use it myself :)
[11:10] <geneo93> aftertaf:  its not called that
[11:10] <[DF2] > can anyone send me pppoe.deb pls
[11:10] <ubunt> when im booting up the load up stops at *Starting Enterprise Volume Management System...
[11:10] <ubunt> and it takes around 15-20min
[11:10] <ubunt> then it will continue to load
[11:10] <aftertaf> geneo93:  wazzit called ?
[11:11] <aboe> I know...but the store is still a little bit hesitant about linux...and support cause they don't have a working linux environment to learn from
[11:11] <ompaul> ubunt, is this a fresh install?
[11:11] <ubunt> swedish
[11:11] <ompaul> ubunt, what speed is the machine
[11:11] <aboe> so I asked if I could setup a demo pc...and do the support for it...
[11:11] <geneo93> i dunno i'm not in ubuntu atm
[11:11] <aftertaf> Package: pppoe (3.5-4ubuntu1) [universe] 
[11:11] <ubunt> pII 350mz with 320mb sdram
[11:12] <aboe> maybe it is the isa support I had trouble with a pII myself because of isacards..
[11:12] <ubunt> can u disable that in any way ?
[11:12] <ubunt> can i
[11:13] <stoeptegel> is it possible to convert a debian package to ubuntu?
[11:13] <ompaul> stoeptegel, which package
[11:13] <aboe> you can use ctrl+c to abort it in the boot up process I think
[11:13] <ompaul> stoeptegel, it is most likely available already
[11:13] <stoeptegel> ompaul: rtorrent
[11:14] <geneo93> stoeptegel:  more than likly its in the repos
[11:14] <ompaul> stoeptegel, I checked it does not seem to be available however there is -->  bittorrent - Scatter-gather network file transfer
[11:14] <geneo93> i use azuerus for bt
[11:14] <omp342> i got wine working =o
[11:14] <stoeptegel> geneo93: nope not for i286 and neither for amd64 (as far as i can see)
[11:15] <robotgeek> i use the official bt client, ncurses version :)
[11:15] <ubunt> ctrl+c dont work
[11:15] <robotgeek> it's good for slow machines
[11:15] <aboe> ok..
[11:15] <ompaul> stoeptegel, apt-get install bittornado <-- that might nice for curses - you can also get a bittorrent-gui
[11:15] <stoeptegel> geneo93: i386 off course, sry
[11:15] <anomaly> I figure I am going to just use my p300/256 to run winxp now, and put ubuntu on my amd64 :)
[11:16] <geneo93> stoeptegel:  get the source and roll your own
[11:16] <stoeptegel> ompaul: that gives me bittornado 0.3.8 and that version is widely banned for some reason(?)
[11:17] <ompaul> stoeptegel, no idea I am just searching for stuff in repos
[11:17] <Georgiepoo> Certain versions of bittornado are banned because they can be used to artifically inflate your upload to download ratio
[11:17] <ompaul> stoeptegel, or the gui which I find works well - that is how I give away lots of Linux
[11:18] <Myrtti> remember folks: the election is only two years away. http://www.specialfarm.net/macgyver2008.html
[11:19] <geneo93> mldonkey has bt client
[11:20] <geneo93> bright side of that is bush cant run again
[11:20] <Myrtti> \o/
[11:20] <robotgeek> geneo93: ubuntu-offtopic :)
[11:20] <Myrtti> sorry, I needed a perk up
[11:21] <stoeptegel> geneo93: i'll try mldonkey out. thank you all!
[11:21] <Myrtti> reinstalling one's OS because of own stupidity makes one kind of sad.
[11:21] <ompaul> Myrtti, go to ubuntu-offtopic and we can have some fun with this :)
[11:21] <ompaul> Myrtti, no it is something learnt, and will not be repeated
[11:21] <anomaly> Myrtti a good learning experience
[11:21] <Myrtti> hmmm
[11:21] <Myrtti> when was the last time I had to do this
[11:21] <Myrtti> oh yes
[11:21] <geneo93> i'm going to bed
[11:21] <Myrtti> February
[11:22] <Myrtti> I didn't know about sudo
[11:22] <Myrtti> so when I configured something wrong, I reinstalled.
[11:23] <geneo93> bye
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> *debates Hoary or Breezy on laptop*
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> suppose Breezy will be the go :)
[11:24] <Myrtti> is it safe already?
[11:24] <shinu> why doesnt apache2 work properly for me? when i access the page it says: the connection was refused. i tried apache and that one worked fine...
[11:24] <ompaul> Myrtti, its still devel
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> Myrtti: not realy, but i have been running it since Hoary was announced stable
[11:24] <Myrtti> so me no touch :-D
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) yeh
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *counts down to install time*
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: what did you try to connect to? your ip/ localhost? 127.0.0.1?
[11:26] <Sionide> woot, don't get redirected to #ubuntu-unregged anymore <3
[11:27] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: i tried localhost and my network ip (192.168.0.16)
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> refused both times shinu?
[11:27] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: is apache running? do you have a firewall running?
[11:28] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: i dont believe i have one
[11:28] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: should apache start running just after installation? 0.o
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: "sudo tail /var/log/syslog"
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> to see if it failed for a reason
[11:29] <furic> Does anyone know where kmail keeps its messages, so i can back them up?
[11:29] <carthik> furic i should look in ~/.kmail/...
[11:30] <Myrtti> ok, it's installed
[11:30] <furic> carthik: does not exist
[11:30] <ColonelKernel> it makes me want to hump my own leg
[11:30] <furic> O.o
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> sorry
[11:31] <carthik> furic ~/Mail ?
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> nonetheless im pretty pumped
[11:31] <Myrtti> I LOVE UBUNTU
[11:31] <Myrtti> <3
[11:31] <furic> carthik: That doesn't seem to have anything remotly recent in it
[11:31] <furic> like, mabe the directory changed during an apt-get upgrade?
[11:31] <carthik> furic, but that is where it apparently stores mails...
[11:31] <jinx``> i have a shellscript which starts a program. but i don't want to see the programs output, only if there is an error. what's the correct syntax? command >/dev/null 2>&1 ?
[11:32] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: what should i be looking for?i cant really see anything apache related
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: if apache failed to start i would expect it to say, unless
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> apache keeps it's own logs * remembers*
[11:32] <furic> carthik: Entire directories are missing from /Mail/, and the ones that are there only have mail from one month.
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo  cat /var/log/apache/error.log
[11:32] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: i just restarted apache and it didnt dump any errors at me
[11:34] <omp342> (the channel)
[11:34] <robotgeek> jinx``: try www.linuxcommand.org
[11:34] <lunitik> omp342: lots of people willing to help... although I wish there were some more technical discussions so I can learn more than I do   :(
[11:34] <carthik> furic, i'm sorry dude, that is my fount run dry
[11:34] <Myrtti> my home directory is intact, all I have to do is to try to remember what extra programs I had in
[11:35] <Myrtti> <3
[11:35] <omp342> lunitik: i just like the people here :)
[11:35] <omp342> lunitik: i don't even use ubuntu
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Myrtti: just reinstalled Ubuntu?
[11:35] <omp342> < gentoo user
[11:35] <Myrtti> Kamping_Kaiser: yup
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Myrtti: next time before you reinstall "dpkg --get-selections >> ~/packages"
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you can use that list to reinstall all your packages after ;D
[11:36] <Myrtti> I'll remember that
[11:36] <Myrtti> thanks
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's great for cloneing one config over 5 boxes
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, one package set
[11:36] <Myrtti> thoug the computer crashed before I had the chance to do that
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> reinstalling is so the Windows way to deal with it :P
[11:37] <Myrtti> I was in the midst of rsyncin my /home to a server
[11:37] <furic> THis really sucks
[11:37] <furic> I can't believe kmail has no export messages function...
[11:37] <robotgeek> Kamping_Kaiser: can we do a dpkg --import-selection after that?
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> try asking in #Kubuntu furic
[11:37] <Myrtti> Kamping_Kaiser: but I guess it's the easiest thing to do if you've managed to be STUPID and dist-upgraded to Debian SID
[11:37] <Myrtti> reinstalling, I mean
[11:38] <aftertaf> lool Myrtti
[11:38] <aftertaf> oops inded
[11:38] <Myrtti> indeed
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser>   dpkg --set-selections                    set package selections from stdin
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> so IIRC 'dkpg --set-selections < ~/packages
[11:38] <Myrtti> well, I didn't actually do that
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> or similar
[11:38] <Myrtti> I just wanted the latest gnubiff
[11:38] <Myrtti> and did swear afterwards
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:38] <robotgeek> Kamping_Kaiser: cool, i was planning to remove everything..thanks for that!
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> robotgeek: check it out to make sure :)
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget if < is correct
[11:39] <robotgeek> Kamping_Kaiser: will do, not anytime soon..
[11:39] <Myrtti> all this hassle because I wanted a nifty penguin telling me if I have gotten new mail
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[11:39] <robotgeek> lol
[11:39] <robotgeek> Myrtti: whatever floats your boat!
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, exactly robotgeek :)
[11:40] <jinx``> robotgeek, where do i find stderr redirection on this page?
[11:40] <Myrtti> but as I said, I'll never touch Debian unstable again
[11:41] <aftertaf> Myrtti:  i've killed debian so many times that way.
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Myrtti: it's something you want to be realy carefull about
[11:41] <robotgeek> jinx``: i think it's on the second page or so
[11:41] <aftertaf> happy to kubuntu now
[11:41] <ColonelKernel> i found debians package selection to be too out of date
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ColonelKernel: depends what you use it for :)
[11:42] <Myrtti> Kamping_Kaiser: yup. I can't for the life of me remember what was in my mind when I thought that it would be ok to press "y" when asked do you want to upgrade your kernel
[11:42] <ColonelKernel> i guess, I havent foudn out of date packges to be much good for anything
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ColonelKernel: they work. and never fuck up
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> *stuff up
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry$
[11:43] <ColonelKernel> Kamping_Kaiser, sometimes, and sometimes theyre so old they work like excrement.
[11:43] <ColonelKernel> the smell has to be SO bag
[11:43] <ColonelKernel> bad
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> you have seen the news about the flood in new orleans havent you Kamping_Kaiser ?
[11:44] <flarfu> was the flooding mostly from the ocean or the levi breaking?
[11:44] <flarfu> or rain
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> levee
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> ColonelKernel: no i havnet. do watch news
[11:45] <ColonelKernel> it was a little flooded before but the levee breaking toasted it
[11:45] <flarfu> cause if it was the ocean they could build a huge dike like holland
[11:45] <ColonelKernel> that whole city is toast
[11:45] <ColonelKernel> the storm damage was bad, really bad, but the levee breaking put the whole city underwater
[11:46] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: erm... but im not actually using apache, im trying to run apache2
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu, the lookin the apache2 folder
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> not the apache one
[11:46] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: but the error.log in apache2 folder is empty
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: can you connect to localhost?
[11:47] <shinu> no
[11:48] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  they are talking about abandong the city for good
[11:48] <ColonelKernel> aftertaf, they arent, but they SHOULD be
[11:48] <ColonelKernel> that city never should have been built in the first place
[11:48] <jinx``> robotgeek, sorry, but i don't find the exact thing i'm looking for
[11:49] <flarfu> time to build new new orleans
[11:49] <Myrtti> I just feel sad because of the historical buildings
[11:50] <Myrtti> so much of culture and past lost
[11:50] <robotgeek> jinx``: google for it, it's pretty easy to find
[11:50] <robotgeek> jinx``: sorry, but i don't have the link at hand right off
[11:50] <Myrtti> maybe this NO conversation should be on #ubuntu-offtopic...
[11:50] <jinx``> already googling like hell
[11:51] <robotgeek> jinx``: lemme try to find it then
[11:53] <robotgeek> jinx``: http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles2/042.html try this
[11:53] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with printing from a linux machine to a shared printer on a windows PC?
[11:53] <jinx``> 1>&2 i think
[11:54] <shinu> how can i get php to work with apache?
[11:54] <shinu> i just installe apache and php4
[11:54] <lunitik> bur[n] er: Windows XP and 2000 support CUPS...
[11:55] <lunitik> bur[n] er: also... SAMBA can do it...
[11:55] <Xanthus7> I need a newsreader that supports nzb files anyone have a clue
[11:56] <bur[n] er> lunitik: i was trying to do it through samba
[11:56] <lunitik> XandriX: you apposed to using KDE apps if they do the job?  cuz apparently 'klibido' supports it...
[11:56] <Seveas> shinu, install libapache2-mod-php4 (or libapache-mod-php4 if you insist on apache 1)
[11:56] <bur[n] er> would cups be better?
[11:56] <furic> whats nzb?
[11:56] <lunitik> bur[n] er: cups is pretty much auto configurable....
[11:56] <shinu> Seveas: apache2 doesnt seem to work properly :/
[11:56] <Seveas> it does for me on ~20 servers :)
[11:56] <bur[n] er> lunitik: how do you mean?
[11:56] <lunitik> bur[n] er: kinda like IPP
[11:57] <shinu> Seveas: well i dont know why but it doesnt work here xD
[11:57] <Seveas> describe 'dowsn't work'
[11:57] <bur[n] er> i install cups on xp/2k, then use the ip of the windows box in the linux machine?
[11:57] <lunitik> bur[n] er: yeh... its pretty much that easy...
[11:58] <bur[n] er> lunitik: well samba is crap... ic an't get it to print for the life of me... when linux the samba client anyway
[11:58] <lunitik> bur[n] er: usually... its just a case of hooking up the printer if it is network ready...
[11:59] <lunitik> bur[n] er: should be a case of sharing the printer... and pointing apps at the share?
[11:59] <bur[n] er> yeah... i did that, but it doens't work
[11:59] <shinu> Seveas: well just after installation of apache2, i access localhost and it says: the connection was refusedwhen attempting to contact localhost
[11:59] <lunitik> bur[n] er: smbclient requires very little work...
[11:59] <bur[n] er> the windows machine gets a "remote downlevel document" but never prints
[11:59] <lunitik> bur[n] er: you don't even have to touch smb.conf if its not the server...
[12:00] <bur[n] er> lunitik: i know
[12:00] <bur[n] er> i was using hte gnome printer interface to set it up
[12:01] <bur[n] er> lunitik: do you use the gnome interface when configuring the printer?
[12:02] <lunitik> bur[n] er: I've never actually set up a printer in GNOME... only KDE...
[12:02] <bur[n] er> aww
[12:02] <derFlo> which source do i need to add for java-package?
[12:02] <bur[n] er> maybe it's just gnome interface which doesn't work
[12:03] <derFlo> !java
[12:03] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:03] <bur[n] er> derFlo: check the wiki for java
[12:03] <derFlo> there is an article telling me to add the multiverse source, but the link is broken
[12:05] <bur[n] er> lunitik: u have a printer attached now?  does it show up as a detected printer by gnome?
[12:06] <srid> how about switching to 'breezy' from 'hoary' now?
[12:06] <derFlo> ah, got it
[12:07] <furic> Is breezy stable enough?
[12:08] <dazvid> Hello everyone
[12:08] <furic> hi
[12:08] <derFlo> wow! multiverse has j2sdk, realplayer, swf-player,... awesome!
[12:09] <nightswim> pwn
[12:10] <srid> derFlo: but sadly, i doesn't have j2sdk 1.4.2 :(
[12:10] <srid> derFlo: many commercial centers requite j2sdk 1.4 (stable)
[12:10] <furic> Where do you get breezy iso's from?
[12:11] <derFlo> srid: that's bad
[12:11] <ekimus> derFlo: realplayer is shi** don't use it
[12:11] <derFlo> how can I check which packages are in a certain repos?
[12:12] <derFlo> ekimus: I want to use it for certain websites
[12:12] <aftertaf> installing rp-pppoe
[12:12] <derFlo> and I never managed to get realplayer-files working with e.g. xmms
[12:12] <derFlo> or xine
[12:13] <srid> so guys ... how stable is Breezy?
[12:13] <dazvid> I just installed ubuntu tonight, and need help installing some vid card drivers.. can anyone point me in the right direction please?
[12:13] <BleSS> looking for a C/python developer: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-September/009712.html
[12:13] <aftertaf> dazvid:  what model
[12:14] <aftertaf> !video
[12:14] <ubotu> aftertaf: Not a clue
[12:14] <dazvid> nvidia 6800gt
[12:14] <aftertaf> !nvidia
[12:14] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:14] <dazvid> thanks
[12:14] <aftertaf> ^--- :)
[12:15] <maradong> Anybody running Breezy noticed that xfce4-devel is actually an older release than xfce4? I think this isn't quite rght.
[12:16] <bur[n] er> maradong: that's how debian is too I think
[12:16] <jmoesen> hi, what ISO language code should i use when marking up the word ubuntu in html? eg: <span lang="af">Ubuntu</span>?
[12:16] <aftertaf> dazvid:  i prefer using the nvidia binaries, but its not opensource :/
[12:16] <dazvid> Umm i just downloaded whatever file from the nvidia site.. let me check it
[12:16] <aftertaf> prefer, cos n00b and find it easier to install / get working
[12:17] <aftertaf> NVIDIA_x_x_x_x_.run ?
[12:17] <dazvid> yup thats the one
[12:18] <dazvid> aftertaf, Where are the binaries available from? nvidia site aswell?
[12:19] <maradong> bur[n] er, possible. but still that's not exactly useful ;-)
[12:19] <hexion> hi
[12:19] <dazvid> hello
[12:20] <Georgiepoo> Le sigh.  Apt-get upgrade is painful on dialup after being away from ubuntu for months.  It has only taken 4 hours to learn this
[12:20] <hexion> does anybody know any software to display my download/upload rate?
[12:20] <hexion> like dumeter for windows..
[12:21] <Georgiepoo> hexion: As in what your max is or what you are currently uploading/downloading?
[12:21] <hexion> currently..
[12:21] <aftertaf> dazvid:  those are the binaries (or what i call them anyway ;) )
[12:21] <hexion> a graphic line or the number of KPs Im downloading/uploading
[12:22] <aftertaf> hexion:  system mionitor applet?
[12:22] <aftertaf> or gdesklets maybe?
[12:22] <dazvid> ah righto, thanks :)
[12:22] <hexion> Im going to search info about gdesklets and tell you ;)
[12:23] <qprforever> ] hi, could anyone help, i cant seem to get php working on my apache server
[12:23] <Georgiepoo> the system monitor applet appears to just give a percentage of your interface max
[12:24] <hexion> gprforever, do I have to install anything? or just add the applet to the bar
[12:25] <ekimus> !lamp
[12:25] <ubotu> well, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:25] <ekimus> qprforever: ^^^^^^^
[12:25] <qprforever> ok thanks
[12:28] <stoeptegel> does someone here use mldonkey and knows how to download a bitorrent in it?
[12:29] <ekimus> stoeptegel: yes, no, if you find out tell me :)
[12:30] <Sionide> !package xmms-shell
[12:30] <ubotu> Sionide: Are you smoking crack?
[12:30] <Sionide> oops
[12:30] <Sionide> whats the trigger?
[12:31] <derFlo> do you have 2 nicks?
[12:31] <ekimus> what?
[12:31] <derFlo> had to wait until timeout.
[12:31] <stoeptegel> ekimus: hehe, i'll do that but for now i'am pretty unhappy with my /home/user/ directory tampered with mldonkey files :(
[12:32] <ekimus> stoeptegel: you can define some "." directory and simply create a symlink so you won't see all the stuff
[12:32] <derFlo> the ubuntu chan directs you to ubuntu-notreg (or so) if your nick is not registered
[12:32] <derFlo> and as my connection crashed, i had to wait some times
[12:33] <ekimus> derFlo: /msg nickserv help (you can kill old nicks with nickservs help)
[12:34] <derFlo> ah
[12:34] <dazvid> quick question for everyone.. what size partitions are you all using?
[12:34] <ekimus> dazvid: just use / and swap if you have to ask
[12:34] <dazvid> nono, I have set up one for each
[12:34] <dazvid> just wondering what everyone else is using
[12:35] <dazvid> I read through the readme before installing
[12:35] <ekimus> depends on what i'm doing on the box
[12:35] <derFlo> ekismus: with link or with recover?
[12:35] <ekimus> for desktop i just use / and swap
[12:35] <dazvid> ah fair enough
[12:35] <ekimus> derFlo: nickserv has help for each of its commands
[12:36] <Belutz> dazvid: i use / , /home and /swap, i use /home for easy backup
[12:37] <Belutz> :D
[12:38] <ekimus> and /etc too but only the servers :)
[12:39] <derFlo> I use /, /home, /var and swap
[12:39] <dazvid> ditto derFlo
[12:39] <osfameron> ekimus: is it hard to get home svn'ized?
[12:40] <ekimus> osfameron: not at all "svn ci" "svn up" that's about it
[12:40] <osfameron> ekimus: sure, but don't you have to mv home home_src and then recheck out?
[12:40] <qprforever> hi, ive followed that guide but it doesnt seem to help much :(
[12:41] <qprforever> the srtange thing is my php files seem to work under internet explorer but not firefox!
[12:41] <ekimus> osfameron: why should i do that?
[12:42] <ekimus> osfameron: on a new box i just "svn co <remotepath> ./"
[12:42] <derFlo> qprforever: ???
[12:42] <MikaEL`> hello, I just installed Ubuntu 5.04 and I was playing with synaptic .. I cannot find several packages (mc, valknut, mplayer etc)
[12:42] <lewion> where is the video file located????
[12:43] <lewion> gotta change nv to nvidia
[12:43] <ekimus> lewion: what video file?
[12:43] <ekimus> mine are under $HOME/movies/
[12:43] <bimberi> MikaEL`: you need to add some extra repositories
[12:43] <lewion> my video config file
[12:43] <bimberi> !tell MikaEL` about repos
[12:43] <ekimus> lewion: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:44] <derFlo> !tell derFlo anout repos
[12:44] <ekimus> lewion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is what you want
[12:44] <derFlo> !tell derFlo about repos
[12:44] <BurgerMann> :s
[12:45] <BurgerMann> !tell BurgerMann about repos
[12:45] <BurgerMann> :p
[12:45] <BurgerMann> oh ye now I remember :s
[12:47] <No1Viking> !tell me about repos
[12:47] <bimberi> lol - perhaps i should have just put the factoid in the channel :)
[12:50] <flarfu> !tell me about repo-man
[12:50] <kegwin> hey guys, i have been having trouble with my apache2 server. the speling module is not working correctly. it says that is it loaded but, it is not fixing the case sensitive stuff. any input
[12:51] <kegwin> i have checked the forums and googled it but no luck
[12:51] <osfameron> ekimus: ah, I mean, to set it up
[12:51] <osfameron> ekimus: as in - I already have stuff in home, so I have to svn import it, then check it out, and I have to move the original directory in the mean time
[12:52] <osfameron> ekimus: maybe that's not a problem in *nix, you couldn't do it easily in win because you couldn't move a home directory 'coz of nt.dat whinging
[12:53] <cafuego> ntuser.dat even
[12:54] <osfameron> cafuego: that's the bunny!
[12:54] <cafuego> well provided you cd / first on linux, it'll be fine.
[12:54] <cafuego> you can even rename or move open files
[12:54] <Xanthus7> what is the command line to install .py file
[12:54] <osfameron> cool
[12:55] <Xanthus7> anyone here that can help please
[12:55] <bimberi> Xanthus7: python <file>.py   (most likely)
[12:57] <ekimus> osfameron: i don't use windows
[12:58] <osfameron> ekimus: sure, I get that.  Anyway, it sounds like the problem I was expecting doesn't exist, so my question "is it easy to set up" is answered.  Thanks! :-)
[01:00] <dazvid> anyone know how I can find my root password :S
[01:00] <dazvid> I cant recall setting one...
[01:00] <mumbles> you dont have one
[01:00] <Digis> !sudo
[01:00] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:00] <kegwin> sudo
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> there probably isnt one then
[01:00] <mumbles> to use root type sudo
[01:01] <dazvid> ah thanks
[01:01] <aftertaf> !root
[01:01] <ubotu> it has been said that root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:03] <IrieRob_> hi
[01:03] <IrieRob_> i've got a question
[01:04] <IrieRob_> how can i set my ubuntu to start in runlevel3 and not in runlevel5  when i boot it up
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> it starts in run level 2
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's debain
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> *Debian
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> you must be used to Red Hat?
[01:04] <cliebow_> i dont know much ubuntu but doesnt /etc/inittab do it
[01:04] <liable> /etc/innitab
[01:04] <IrieRob_> umm no
[01:05] <liable> err, yes..
[01:05] <IrieRob_> i only want the console to show up
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> cliebow_: in Debian inits 2 -> 5 are all the same
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC
[01:05] <liable> IrieRob_: remove ?dm
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yes, yoru right cliebow_ :)
[01:05] <liable> gdm..
[01:05] <mjr> IrieRob_, if you don't want X to start up, switching runlevels is not the correct solution in debian-based distros
[01:05] <cliebow_> i think it is docced  there anyway?
[01:05] <mjr> see others
[01:06] <cliebow_> anyone going to Montreal?
[01:06] <IrieRob_> hmm how can i make it work then?
[01:06] <liable> well, it can be if you alter rc.? directory...
[01:06] <aftertaf> er
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> update-rc.d somehow.. .nfi how thought
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> -t
[01:07] <liable> just remove the symlinks from offending dir.
[01:08] <IrieRob_> umm i want to work with the x-server sometimes, but not always
[01:09] <bimberi> or...  sudo rm /etc/rc*.d/S*gdm    (sanity check with  ls /etc/rc*.d/S*dm  first)
[01:09] <liable> sure, remove gdm, then just use startx
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's a bit perminant :S
[01:09] <bimberi> er,   ls /etc/rc*.d/S*gdm
[01:10] <liable> why do that anyway, thats what the other consoles are for..
[01:12] <IrieRob_> g2g...cya
[01:12] <klepas> !info gaim
[01:12] <ubotu> gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 825 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB
[01:12] <IrieRob_> and thanks
[01:12] <klepas> I need to update
[01:12] <klepas> :-)
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> need to?
[01:12] <klepas> yea
[01:12] <klepas> old version
[01:13] <sadistic_kitten> "!info gaim"
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> backports or live with it :)
[01:13] <Zeaposs> hi everyone. I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ?
[01:13] <sadistic_kitten> !info gaim
[01:13] <ubotu> gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 825 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB
[01:13] <sadistic_kitten> wtf
[01:14] <sadistic_kitten> ah right
[01:14] <bimberi> klepas: iirc official backports has 1.3.1, unofficial backports (eg. mirrormax) has 1.4.0
[01:14] <rob^> wow gnome art is so slooow...
[01:14] <dazvid> 32mb of ram is the mimimum specifications :)
[01:14] <klepas> sure
[01:14] <Georgiepoo> sadistic_kitten: the backports repo has gaim 1.4 if you're looking for something more recent
[01:14] <sadistic_kitten> sorry to waste your time people
[01:14] <sadistic_kitten> no
[01:14] <sadistic_kitten> just trying something
[01:14] <skip> Hello,
[01:14] <bimberi> showoff :P
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :)
[01:15] <klepas> Kamping_Kaiser: you didn't have to force an update on glib to do that, eh? :D
[01:15] <skip> can somebody help me ... I use Gnome, But I haven't any Icon on my desktop? I want the standart Gnome icons on my desktop, (Computer .. etc .. ) who can I edit that ?
[01:15] <rob^> skip, just drag them there
[01:15] <rob^> skip, or install gtweakui
[01:16] <skip> rob^,  Oky I will try this ;)
[01:16] <skip> thx rob^
[01:16] <rob^> np
[01:16] <_mindspin> hi, i need a kernel with smbfs support, what should I do? compiling my own ?
[01:17] <Zeaposs> dazvid i know, there is even info that installer needs only 24 MB. But when installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves nic-firmware package, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[01:18] <mumbles> mah anyone got a uvuntu server up and running?
[01:18] <rob^> mumbles, what do you mean by server?
[01:18] <rob^> no X?
[01:18] <mumbles> http with ftp and ssh
[01:19] <mumbles> yeh no x
[01:19] <aurax_> any l2tp solution (client) for ubuntu ?
[01:19] <rob^> I have ssh and dns set up
[01:19] <rob^> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:19] <rob^> for ssh
[01:19] <_mindspin> I tried sudo mount -t smbfs and got this syslog message:kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[01:19] <mumbles> got em all
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have those services mumbles, just not the 'server install'
[01:19] <rob^> mumbles, then just configure em
[01:20] <mumbles> just cant seam to get them to configurer em correctley
[01:20] <rob^> you will need to look up the docs
[01:20] <rob^> what release of ubuntu are you using mumbles?
[01:20] <mumbles> i spent about 3 hours getting lost
[01:20] <mumbles> 5.04
[01:20] <derFlo> which firewall/virus-scanner are you using
[01:20] <rob^> ah
[01:20] <rob^> I use clanav on servers
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> derFlo: is that a general question?
[01:21] <mumbles> i got my ubutnu cds about 2 days ago
[01:21] <derFlo> aegis/amavis/clamscav?
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use iptables (have been using firestarter as a front end) and clamav
[01:21] <derFlo> I dont' have any idea which one to use
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi incubii
[01:21] <_mindspin> no help around? it could save me 2 hours driving;-)
[01:21] <rob^> mumbles, a prerelease of the FAQ that may help you can be found at http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> _mindspin: sorry, not my area
[01:22] <rob^> mumbles, keep in mind it is for breezy though
[01:23] <incubii> howdy Kamping_Kaiser
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo
[01:24] <ekimus> _mindspin: is the modules for smb support loaded?
[01:25] <_mindspin> dunno its a quick#n dirty install by default, I#ll have a look
[01:25] <mumbles> having problemis with the keybord _mindspin
[01:25] <mumbles> ?
[01:25] <ekimus> _mindspin: no wait, i just saw that ubuntu seems to only use samba, not the kernel module
[01:25] <_mindspin> hehe
[01:25] <_mindspin> but it worked here on my laptop
[01:26] <ekimus> _mindspin: is it a server install or desktop?
[01:26] <_mindspin> unfortunately not on the remote machine
[01:26] <_mindspin> desktop
[01:26] <ekimus> hmm that should work
[01:26] <ekimus> _mindspin: what about "smbclient -L <ip of the win box>
[01:27] <daniellewis> hello... i've just installed ubuntu and have some problems. I think they may be firewall related problems
[01:28] <ekimus> daniellewis: have you configured a firewall?
[01:28] <_mindspin> good idea, but theres no trouble, i can connect and get the shares listed
[01:28] <ekimus> daniellewis: because afaik by default ubuntu doesn't have one
[01:28] <mumbles> dammit ... no luck
[01:28] <ekimus> _mindspin: ok and browsing the shares with smbclient is ok too?
[01:28] <_mindspin> yep
[01:28] <daniellewis> ekimus: no I haven't.. i have only installed from the CD, nothing else.
[01:29] <_mindspin> but i cannot link the share to Desktop of the user
[01:29] <ekimus> daniellewis: then it's not a firewall problem. what is the problem you have and what do you want to do?
[01:29] <daniellewis> ekimus: the problem is with Skype and Gaim. I cant seem to connect
[01:29] <_mindspin> and that is what they want
[01:29] <tommae> hi, anyone can say me how i can change the standard video player from totem to xine?
[01:29] <nai81> what is the pass root of ubuntu 5.10?
[01:29] <ekimus> _mindspin: so you can't mount it no matter if you are root or a normal user the rest is ok?
[01:30] <rob^> !ROOT
[01:30] <ubotu> well, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:30] <Georgiepoo> !root
[01:30] <_mindspin> yep
[01:30] <ubotu> well, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:30] <daniellewis> in skype I can connect, but messages dont send. in Gaim it keeps telling me that my username and password is wrong (for msn)
[01:30] <ekimus> daniellewis: web surfing is ok?
[01:30] <Zeaposs> I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ? When installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves nic-firmware package, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[01:30] <_mindspin> i didi it sudo
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> daniellewis: with skype, are you using sound?
[01:30] <daniellewis> ekimus: surfing the internet works fine
[01:30] <bimberi> !tell tommae about defaultapp
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your using (say) beep MP, it wont send messages
[01:30] <chrismy> heya
[01:31] <aftertaf> !defaultapp
[01:31] <ubotu> To change the default app for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties, then the "Open With" tab and change the setting
[01:31] <daniellewis> Kamping_Kaiser: no just for messaging
[01:31] <ekimus> _mindspin: what about /var/log/samba/ stuff anything suspicious (besides the not supported messages)
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay, another Ubuntu install done
[01:31] <chrismy> anyone knows how to recompile ubuntu with the easiest way
[01:31] <chrismy> ?
[01:31] <dazvid> Sorry another question.. I need to close X in order to install some drivers, whats the easiest way to do this?
[01:31] <aftertaf> !upgrade
[01:31] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <aftertaf> dazvid:  Nvidia drivers?
[01:32] <dazvid> yeh.. still being a pain -_-
[01:32] <chrismy> dazvid, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:32] <_mindspin> ekimus: on the server?
[01:32] <aftertaf> if so, sign out, choose console login, then as chrismy said
[01:32] <dazvid> ah ok
[01:32] <chrismy> dazvid, you ahve to be in the ctrl-alt-backspace to do it
[01:32] <dazvid> ty again
[01:32] <chrismy> yup that is it
[01:32] <chrismy> :D
[01:33] <aftertaf> chrismy:  he needs to stop X completely
[01:33] <dazvid> console login eh
[01:33] <chrismy> aftertaf, yes
[01:33] <chrismy> aftertaf, just said that
[01:33] <aftertaf> c-a-b just resets x right?
[01:33] <aftertaf> bref ;)
[01:33] <chrismy> aftertaf, erm not it stops. means you can't get in anymore til you start or restart it
[01:33] <daniellewis> ekimus | Kamping_Kaiser | Anyone Else: Any ideas what it could be?
[01:34] <dazvid> oh well, I'll give that a try
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid not
[01:34] <dazvid> if not.. im sure I'll be back -_-
[01:34] <ekimus> _mindspin: yes on the box that can't mount it
[01:34] <chrismy> dazvid, lol BE CAREFUL!! heheh
[01:34] <dazvid> lol
[01:34] <dazvid> will do
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> heads not in it today daniellewis ;) just finishing my own install
[01:34] <chrismy> no one does recompiling here?
[01:35] <ekimus> daniellewis: since networking is ok. try to make sure you're not trying to use the protocoll or something (typos in passwords, the obvious stuff, better triple check)
[01:36] <Zeaposs> could anyone help me with installation of ubuntu?
[01:36] <rob^> !ask
[01:36] <rob^> ubotu tell Zeaposs about ask
[01:38] <Zeaposs> ... again
[01:38] <Zeaposs> I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ? When installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves nic-firmware package, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[01:38] <chrismy> Zeaposs, yes
[01:38] <ekimus> Zeaposs: try the expert install
[01:38] <chrismy> Zeaposs, mine was on with 32Mb of RAM:D
[01:38] <Zeaposs> i'm doing that
[01:39] <Zeaposs> server-expert to be exact
[01:39] <bimberi> Zeaposs: cd verified as good?
[01:39] <chrismy> Zeaposs, whoah! mine is the default one
[01:39] <dazvid> righto, well i tried the install, and it the installer says it has a problem with my kernel not matching
[01:39] <daniellewis> ok thaks
[01:40] <daniellewis> *thanks
[01:40] <chrismy> dazvid,same here!
[01:40] <Zeaposs> i runned integrity check, will have results in few.... minutes, maybe hours ;p
[01:40] <chrismy> dazvid, no one answers me about that until now :(
[01:40] <dazvid> so, looks like im stuck with this crappy resolution :/
[01:40] <chrismy> dazvid, wait the sec. resolution?
[01:40] <dazvid> Well I havent got ANY drivers for vid card yet..
[01:40] <chrismy> dazvid, the driver has got nothing to do with the resolution
[01:40] <dazvid> its at 1024*768 at the moment
[01:41] <chrismy> dazvid, ahhhh
[01:41] <chrismy> dazvid, what is your graphics card model?
[01:41] <dazvid> 6800gt
[01:41] <chrismy> dazvid, erm...i do not know that. ATI? Nivdia?
[01:41] <dazvid> nvidia :)
[01:42] <chrismy> hmm must be the new one
[01:42] <aftertaf> kernel mismatch, as in, you haven't the same version of gcc as the one that compild the kernel?
[01:42] <chrismy> dazvid, have you been to ubuntu.wiki.org to check out?
[01:42] <mjr> "What... is your graphics card model?" "ATI! No, wait, Nvidiaaaaaaaa...."
[01:42] <mjr> (sorry, continue ;)
[01:43] <dazvid> I read the wiki, and it said to use Synaptic I believe.. but that didn't work
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> !laptop
[01:43] <ubotu> from memory, laptop is http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[01:43] <chrismy> dazvid, that is odd
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta ubotu
[01:43] <chrismy> dazvid, have you tried the terminal method?
[01:43] <dazvid> Yeh just did then, and thats when I got the kernel error
[01:43] <derFlo> cu
[01:44] <chrismy> dazvid, yeah same here then :(
[01:44] <_mindspin> ekimus: nothing unusual, but I first will install all the stuff that misses universe was not enabled...
[01:44] <chrismy> dazvid, not sure what it wants and how to compile the kernel or something
[01:45] <dazvid> No im not sure either.. linux is really new to me. I have been noobified by windows
[01:46] <chrismy> dazvid, lol i am neither new nor old to both however there are many things i ought to learn about linux and windows. such as solving and compiling
[01:46] <dazvid> chrismy, I just want linux to program with, but look nice at the same time :P
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr. bloody laptop
[01:47] <Zeaposs> oh yeah, and "extremely low memory mode" is a good thing on 32 MB of RAM ;]  ?
[01:47] <theD3viL> Is breezy now smart to using?
[01:48] <chrismy> dazvid, are you are prgrammer? i do not care about the look(this is space and speed consuming). I just want it to be stable and problems free :D
[01:48] <dazvid> Im in training.. first year university.
[01:48] <dazvid> :P
[01:49] <brenner> theD3viL: imo, no
[01:49] <chrismy> Zeaposs, oops sorry i answered you the wrong things earlier. I was refering 32mb of my graphics card. my RAM is 256mb :P sowwy
[01:49] <chrismy> *thing
[01:49] <_mindspin> I still get this: kernel: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[01:49] <chrismy> dazvid, first year of?
[01:49] <brenner> Kamping_Kaiser: grr, i wish i had one
[01:49] <dazvid> chrismy, computer systems engineering
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> brenner: just got given one ;) bbs
[01:50] <dazvid> so learning about hardware, and building software. (and also studying japanese)
[01:50] <chrismy> dazvid, wow! so you won't have problems soon! you will know windows and linux in and out!
[01:50] <Zeaposs> uhhh, ok, now i don't know anything - when I checked integrity first time it stopped at 10%. After reseting PC it  runs fine, now it's at 19%
[01:50] <Zeaposs> and still going
[01:51] <chrismy> dazvid, that is very cool. but not not for me though :P
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> back :)
[01:51] <dazvid> :D
[01:51] <brenner> Kamping_Kaiser: damn you! ;)  i need at least $600 more
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yeh, i know how it is :S
[01:52] <theD3viL> brenner, why not ?
[01:52] <dazvid> chrismy, how long have you been using ubuntu for?
[01:53] <_mindspin> got it, smbfs was not installed
[01:53] <chrismy> dazvid, about 3 months now. hmm i think about a few weeks after this Hoary came out
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> brenner: i have been running it since Hoary went stable.
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> sometimes i regret it :)
[01:54] <dazvid> chrismy, how long did it take you to get over the learning curve of linux?
[01:54] <brenner> Kamping_Kaiser: maybe you should be tellng theD3viL whether to use it or not then ....i've never used it. :)
[01:55] <chrismy> dazvid, well i do not expect GNU software is the top but they work more than fine and they are free. Since people work with GNU, so problem solved rather quickly(i read not that i say :P)
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> theD3viL: don't use it :)
[01:55] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser, why not? ;)
[01:55] <hawking> are there any alternative browsers for ubuntu? firefox works just too slow at my computer
[01:55] <lurah> ubuntu
[01:55] <lurah> lol
[01:55] <dazvid> ?
[01:55] <johso> hello, I need help to uninstall/reinstall gtk. anybody up for it?
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> theD3viL: wierd stuff happens. like no gettys. stuff crashes. there's 100mb of updates every few days
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> things like that
[01:56] <rob^> johso, err why?
[01:56] <johso> rob^: because I've installed version 2.8.1, for some reason, and now the two versions are interfering with each other, so I can't install any programs that need gtk...
[01:56] <chrismy> dazvid, hmm that is a very tough one!  heheh..well you need good people and you need to find the right one who is willing to guide you along your GNU/Linux journey. I have one, he is also a Blender developer so that would be my advantage(yes i am learning 3D with Blender too)
[01:56] <rob^> no gettys == bad
[01:57] <MikaEL`> I have an nVIDIA card .. how can I install the drivers for it in Ubuntu 5 ?
[01:57] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser, i have installed ubuntu 2 months ago.. and made root ane "matej" acc... and that isnt good very much .. What  can be wrong? What will be doing slower?
[01:57] <rob^> johso, how the heck did you manage that?
[01:57] <aftertaf> !tell MikaEL` about nvidia
[01:57] <theD3viL> !ati
[01:57] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:57] <MikaEL`> thanx
[01:57] <dazvid> aftertaf, what vid card do you have?
[01:57] <hawking> !tell thespiritoftal about bum
[01:57] <aftertaf> lol theD3viL
[01:58] <johso> rob^: I really don't have a clue, been having the problem for some weeks now, I can't even remember why I did it...
[01:58] <hawking> !tell hawking about bum
[01:58] <setite> hey my init.d script broke
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> theD3viL: i didnt understand tha :|
[01:58] <aftertaf> dazvid:  nvidia geforce 4 440MX
[01:58] <setite> is there another way to do mknod commands on startup
[01:58] <rob^> johso, did you add any unofficial repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:58] <chrismy> dazvid, how must did you pay for the 6800 card of yours?
[01:58] <dazvid> aftertaf, and you had no problems installing the latest driver?
[01:58] <johso> rob^: yes, a couple..
[01:58] <brenner> hawking: kde or gnome?
[01:58] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser, when you install your ubuntu ... you must create user...
[01:58] <dazvid> chrismy, I paid about $500 AUD last year.. its around $300 AUD this year..
[01:58] <rob^> johso, remove them
[01:59] <aftertaf> no, but i had to uninstall the nvidia ubuntu stuff
[01:59] <hawking> brenner: gnome
[01:59] <rob^> johso, then do: sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <setite> i need mknod -m 660 /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 and mknod -m 660 /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1 at startup
[01:59] <aftertaf> hung on hotplug otherwise
[01:59] <rob^> johso, then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:59] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser, and i made "user" root and after that user "matej" .. can be anything wrong ?
[01:59] <dazvid> oh I see..
[01:59] <brenner> hawking: i've been told opera is nice
[01:59] <johso> rob^: okay, will do.
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> theD3viL: no, not particularly
[01:59] <hawking> brenner: thx I'll try it
[01:59] <aftertaf> otherwise, failed completelyto work.
[01:59] <chrismy> dazvid, you must be a gamer? you do not need that much if you are just a normal user :D .....you play games?
[01:59] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser, particulary ?
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> theD3viL: it's just root is usualy disabled
[01:59] <shinu> how do i start a service?
[02:00] <dazvid> chrismy, lol just a bit :)
[02:00] <shinu> like /etc/init.d/service start?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: /etc/init.d/service start
[02:00] <dazvid> I play CS: source online quite a bit..
[02:00] <dazvid> still have that on my other HDD just incase I cant get it working on linux nicely
[02:00] <setite> dazvid: what are you asking
[02:00] <shinu> Kamping_Kaiser: does it display anything if the service is started properly?
[02:01] <setite> dazvid: whoops dont answer that
[02:01] <dazvid> setite, I am having problems installing the nvidia drivers
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> shinu: no error
[02:01] <chrismy> dazvid, ahh hmm why not try Splinter Cell :Chaos Theory....... HUH? YOu can execute EXE file in Linux
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> also check in /var/log/
[02:01] <shinu> alright
[02:01] <chrismy> *can't
[02:01] <dazvid> Chaos Theory.. is that the newest one?
[02:01] <dazvid> I loved the original game...
[02:01] <chrismy> dazvid, oh yes! hehe
[02:01] <setite> you trying to get the newest drivers.. the ones in breezy?
[02:02] <chrismy> dazvid, do you learn Linux in your university?
[02:02] <dazvid> setite, Im using Hoary, and its just the latest drivers on the nvidia site
[02:02] <setite> oh ok
[02:02] <setite> whats the issue
[02:02] <johso> rob^: any way to check if it works, without installing anything?
[02:02] <theD3viL> hm..if i wanna install ATI drivers... i must download it from http://www.ati.com ?
[02:02] <setite> do you not know how or is it erroring out
[02:02] <dazvid> chrismy, no. But we use it with the sole use of gcc and gdb :P unfortunately we use Fedora Core at school
[02:02] <setite> theD3viL: no
[02:02] <chrismy> dazvid, aha! so you do
[02:02] <setite> !tell theD3viL about ati
[02:03] <dazvid> setite, when installing, it said there was a kernel mismatch... and then exited
[02:03] <chrismy> dazvid, so when you are expert in Linux please remember me and tell me how to solve this driver thingy :P heh
[02:03] <setite> oh.. yea... i dont know much as im sorta new... im assuming that you to force
[02:03] <dazvid> lol no problems :P
[02:03] <aftertaf> dazvid:  have you recompiled your kernel since install
[02:03] <dazvid> aftertaf, nope. Only just installed literally within an hour or two
[02:04] <rob^> johso, the reason your gtk is broken is that you have used unofficial repos, they can break your system as you have done
[02:04] <johso> rob^: actually, I think it's because I somehow install gtk 2.8.1... but now I can't rewind.
[02:04] <setite> i wanna take a university level linux class
[02:04] <setite> i dont think BYU IS has it
[02:05] <hawking> I used to have debian and gnome at this computer and it worked just fine but now I have ubuntu and gnome and it works really slow.any ideas why?
[02:05] <rob^> johso, which is what I just said
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hawking: could be a lot of reasons
[02:06] <Zeaposs> bimberi , integrity test says, that CD is valid
[02:06] <hawking> Kamping_Kaiser: like?
[02:06] <johso> rob^: heh, fair. but the problem isn't solved: 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.8.1, but GLIB (2.6.3)
[02:06] <setite> !force
[02:06] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, setite
[02:06] <johso> rob^: was found! If pkg-config was correct
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hawking: services running, gui complexity, what Debian was it? an old version?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> etc
[02:07] <hawking> no the last version
[02:07] <wolki> hi!
[02:07] <hawking> was that
[02:07] <wolki> someone here on breezy?
[02:07] <dazvid> wolki, hello
[02:07] <setite> whats the force-arch command
[02:07] <hawking> Kamping_Kaiser: any ideas how to make it better?
[02:07] <setite> sudo dpkg -i --force-architecture foo.deb ??
[02:08] <setite> dazvid: did you try that
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hawking: not realy. I'm fighting Ubuntu here :)
[02:08] <setite> well nvm.. it might not be advisable... its what i do when im lazy
[02:08] <setite> ut thats for installing 32bit apps on 64 bit ubuntu
[02:08] <setite> did you check the forum
[02:09] <dazvid> which one? I checked the nvidia forum along with a linux forum
[02:09] <Zeaposs> and again... any other ideas ?
[02:09] <setite> teh ubuntu forums
[02:09] <brenner> hawking: system specs?
[02:09] <setite> they are awesome
[02:09] <hawking> brenner: sorry what do u exactly mean?
[02:09] <dazvid> setite, I will have a browse through now...
[02:09] <bimberi> Zeaposs: hm, ok, so not that then.  No, no other ideas from me atm :|
[02:09] <setite> im sure there is a walkthrough for installing the newest nvidia driver on hoary
[02:09] <Zeaposs> hmm
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> 8192kb is 8Kb isnt it?
[02:10] <brenner> hawking: nvm, if gnome worked fine in debian, shouldn't really have a problem w/ ubuntu.
[02:10] <brenner> hawking: try this: sys > help > desktop > sys admin > improving performance (in left menu)
[02:10] <Zeaposs> is there a way to setup a swap, so the installer could use it ?
[02:10] <hawking> brenner: ok
[02:10] <chrismy> dazvid, i ahve to go now. PLease inform me if you have succeeded ok? PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE
[02:11] <davro> Is there an optimised kernel for mini-itx architectures seems most compile at i586 ?
[02:11] <silvan> Hi  - has anyone experience with ubuntu hoary on a thinpad t43p to get  the  AD1981B AC'97 - soundcard to work with alsa?
[02:11] <setite> imma write a small evdo wiki tomorrow i think
[02:12] <silvan> i installed ubuntu out of the box - no custom kernel etc. yet
[02:12] <dazvid> chrismy, sure thing!
[02:12] <chrismy> silvan, hey that is a good one too! same here!
[02:12] <dazvid> have a good night
[02:12] <setite> hey dazvid try this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368&highlight=nvidia+driver
[02:12] <chrismy> dazvid, how do you know it is night here? you checked my ip? hehe
[02:12] <setite> i havent read it yet but the title seems to be right
[02:12] <setite> night chrismy
[02:12] <silvan> chrismy: i did all unmuting, shutting down esd etc. - didn't helped
[02:13] <dazvid> chrismy, lol was random guess... its dark here
[02:13] <dazvid> Where are you situated?
[02:13] <chrismy> setite, wow you are friendly and i am so sorry i didn't even talk to you just now :(
[02:13] <dazvid> setite, thanks for link, will check it
[02:13] <chrismy> dazvid, ahh you must be in Perth
[02:13] <BjornW> is there anybody here who succeeded in recompiling their kernel with the HPT37x driver included?
[02:13] <chrismy> dazvid, i am in Malaysia. If you are in Perth out time is precisely the same :D
[02:14] <setite> no problem chrismy :) .. i just spread the love i receive in this room
[02:14] <chrismy> setite, dazvid actually I am going out to Tesco to get something :D
[02:14] <dazvid> chrismy, im in melbourne actually... I just got back from malaysia last month
[02:14] <chrismy> setite, aww you .....
[02:14] <johso> silvan: I couldn't have multiple sounds a once, because the startup sound blocked the soundcard. I found some guide at ubuntuforums that solved it, now I can both have multiple sounds, and my sound device is not busy all the time. *searching for the topic*
[02:14] <Riyonuk> Umm what bounties do you guys have?
[02:14] <Riyonuk> Like Im lost
[02:14] <chrismy> dazvid, jeez! and you did;t call me! lol
[02:14] <dazvid> lol sorry :P
[02:14] <Riyonuk> For Mozilla's Error Pages?
[02:14] <chrismy> dazvid, setite ok see you both later!
[02:14] <setite> malaysia... melbourne... jesus.. yoy make this poor vegas kid feel lame
[02:15] <johso> silvan: found it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753&highlight=sound+esd
[02:15] <dazvid> vegas!! Thats the next destination hopefully (well anywhere in the US really..)
[02:15] <setite> my next destination is felixstoe(s?)
[02:15] <brenner> setite: poor? too much gambling? ;)
[02:15] <setite> or ipswich(s?)
[02:15] <setite> brenner: nah im one of the smary locals
[02:16] <setite> smart*
[02:16] <setite> anyoen know how to do mknod on start
[02:16] <setite> i dont even really know wth mknod is.. just know i need to do it
[02:16] <brenner> heh ... thought you meant smarmy. :D
[02:16] <dazvid> setite, I have found my problem... the Header file wasnt installed!! ack
[02:17] <Riyonuk> ...
[02:17] <setite> on ubuntu forums?
[02:17] <dazvid> Yeh, in that thread
[02:17] <setite> see they are great... thats just one more reason i love ubuntu
[02:17] <setite> there is almost always someone who has worked through my problem on those forums
[02:17] <silvan> johso: thanks! will have a look
[02:17] <brenner> Riyonuk: i don't understand you
[02:17] <setite> now did you read the warning
[02:17] <dazvid> I didnt know about the ubuntu forums.. definitely a bookmark now though. (I only saw the mailing lists and this IRC channel)
[02:18] <shinu> i just ran: /etc/init.d/apache2 start and then ps aux|grep apache but i cant see anything...
[02:18] <setite> dont use the bleeding edge version unless oyu have a 7800
[02:18] <brenner> dazvid: there's also the wiki
[02:18] <johso> silvan: no problem, hope it works. sure does here :)
[02:18] <dazvid> Yeh I read the wiki, didnt help my problem though. It did have information on how to install though
[02:19] <hawking> which requires more ram? kde or gnome?
[02:19] <dazvid> setite, yeh I just saw that warning.. now I have to find this 7667 instead
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> when you start getting used to 640x480 you have a problem with your video :S
[02:20] <setite> yea.. but at least you will be avoiding some stability issues
[02:20] <dazvid> Yup
[02:21] <hawking> how can i install a deb file?
[02:22] <aftertaf> hawking:  dpkg
[02:22] <aftertaf> or apt-get
[02:22] <aftertaf> :dpkg
[02:22] <aftertaf> !dpkg
[02:22] <ubotu> dpkg is probably the Debian Package Manager: sudo dpkg --install package.deb
[02:22] <hawking> thx
[02:22] <Zeaposs> I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ? When installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves one of the packages, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[02:22] <Riyonuk> Can I help with ubuntu?
[02:23] <Riyonuk> Maybe with ideas?
[02:23] <Riyonuk> Or graphics defintly as I can do graphics
[02:23] <setite> how cna i downgrade ubuntu to the 32bit version
[02:23] <setite> should i just wipe the partitions and reinstall
[02:23] <brenner> !bugs
[02:23] <setite> or can i change teh repos and do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:25] <tommae> aonyone a good idea where i can get a printer driver for my hp laserjet 3030. i have one but it always take another white sheet after the printed
[02:28] <CaiN_SA> im having trouble making a .deb file
[02:28] <brenner> Riyonuk: search the wiki...i'm sure there's a 'contribute' page
[02:28] <CaiN_SA> can some1 help me with it ?
[02:28] <Riyonuk> ok
[02:28] <chrismy> hey all
[02:30] <chrismy> wow this is quiet
[02:32] <brenner> ubotu forget dpkg
[02:32] <ubotu> i forgot dpkg, brenner
[02:32] <brenner> ubotu: dpkg is the Debian Package Manager.  To install a local deb file, cd into the directory where it is located, then: 'sudo dpkg --install <package_filename.deb>'.  For more info on other dpkg options: 'man dpkg'
[02:32] <ubotu> brenner: okay
[02:34] <brenner> chrismy: it's 'cos you joined... we're in awe ;)
[02:35] <osfameron> brenner: you dare to profane the sacred silence of this channel in the presence of the hallowed one?!
[02:36] <chrismy> brenner, you must be joking
[02:36] <brenner> osfameron: am i going to be paddled? :-/
[02:37] <hawking> wow opera is really great
[02:37] <hawking> thx brenner
[02:37] <chrismy> what am i to be respected my good men?
[02:37] <brenner> hawking: np ... might try it myself :)
[02:37] <skip> Hello, can sombody help me , I want to look for my cpu temp .. what must I do for that
[02:37] <brenner> hawking: so it's speed is good?
[02:37] <hawking> brenner: yeah cool
[02:38] <chrismy> skip, are you on linux or windows?
[02:38] <skip> chrismy, linux
[02:38] <brenner> skip: lm-sensors iirc
[02:38] <chrismy> skip,  if not mistaken only windows based softwares have that. they come with your motherboard
[02:39] <Nalioth> brenner: formerly reka
[02:39] <brenner> chrismy: really? ... i'm sure i've seen temp monitors on linux boxes
[02:40] <chrismy> brenner, ahh you mean the meter thingy? I was refering to sofwares. Linux has one? share with me
[02:40] <kamikazesponge> hello. i've installed ubuntu on my system, but when i mount my hda1 now in /mnt/hda1 how do i get on it with an unpriviledged user?
[02:40] <brenner> Nalioth: formerly naloth
[02:40] <brenner> *nalioth even :)
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> skip look for "health" or something to that order in system bios
[02:40] <aftertaf> !tell kamikazesponge about mount
[02:41] <setite> dazvid where did you go
[02:41] <brenner> chrismy: like i said, lm-sensors iirc
[02:41] <setite> i wanna see if the header thing officially fixed the issue
[02:41] <no_gatez_fan> motherboard health is  what it is called on asus motherboards / bios
[02:41] <chrismy> brenner, i know not of  that....sorry :
[02:41] <kamikazesponge> aftertaf: i know about mount, but when i mount it in /mnt/hda1 the filebrowser tells me i'm not priviledged to go there, and when i chmod 666 hda1 in /mnt it says something about read-only file system
[02:42] <kamikazesponge> !windowsdrives
[02:42] <ubotu> windowsdrives is probably Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[02:42] <aftertaf> is it fat32?
[02:42] <brenner> no_gatez_fan: i think he wants something he can run on his desktop unless i'm mistaken
[02:42] <kamikazesponge> aftertaf: no, ntfs
[02:42] <ekimus> anyone knows how to allow "userA" to connect to a psql database as "userB"? i can connect fine and the user is ok, it's just that i need to have a different system user name than psql user name
[02:42] <setite> bye for now all
[02:42] <aftertaf> nfs is read only, unless you want it to be read/write/die-shortly-after
[02:42] <aftertaf> +t
[02:43] <chrismy> wow this channel goes into hectic agenda
[02:43] <kamikazesponge> aftertaf, ntfs, but i only need to read it, i don't care about writing
[02:43] <aftertaf> chmod 666
[02:43] <aftertaf> ?
[02:44] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: did you run the script from the !windowsdrives factoid?
[02:44] <kamikazesponge> aftertaf, did that, it gave chmod: changing permissions of `hda1': Read-only file system
[02:44] <aftertaf> exact...
[02:44] <ekimus> kamikazesponge: mount -o uid=`id -u`,gid=`id -g`
[02:44] <kamikazesponge> Nalioth, no, i'm setting that up now
[02:45] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: that script should fix you up for what you want
[02:45] <kamikazesponge> Nalioth, ok..
[02:45] <qt2> err, is there an easy way to reset the permissions of the /etc dir?
[02:45] <skip> When I kompilier a application then I get this:  gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[02:45] <shinu> is apache a lot worse than apache2?
[02:46] <brenner> skip: install build-essential
[02:46] <kamikazesponge> shinu, apache2 is safer
[02:46] <shinu> ;.;
[02:46] <DewDude>  how do you eject a disc in ubuntu
[02:46] <skip> thx brenner
[02:46] <DewDude> cuz i got this slot load imac with no  button
[02:47] <Nalioth> DewDude: from a terminal, type eject /dev/cdrom
[02:47] <spola> DewDude, rightclick the disc on your desktop and select eject
[02:48] <DewDude> oh grreat
[02:48] <DewDude> ithe terminal command didn't work
[02:48] <Nalioth> DewDude: what'd it say?
[02:49] <osfameron> I've sometimes had a disk not want to eject, with no error
[02:49] <kamikazesponge> !nvidia
[02:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:49] <DewDude> dewdude@iTux:~/Desktop$ eject /dev/cdrom
[02:49] <DewDude> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[02:49] <aftertaf> eject /cdrom?
[02:49] <aru> I right click mine, and press eject
[02:49] <aftertaf> eject /media/cdrom?
[02:49] <aftertaf> hehe aru
[02:49] <aftertaf> GUIpowa
[02:49] <Nalioth> DewDude: can you see it on teh desktop?
[02:49] <aru> I like my linux gooey
[02:49] <DewDude> n
[02:50] <DewDude> no
[02:50] <spola> you can't eject the disc if you're still "using" it (eg: you have a terminal in which you cd'd into the ... cd, or you're still playing a file on it)... use lsof | grep /dev/cdrom to find (and later kill) those apps
[02:50] <ekimus> damn "sudo cd <path>" --> "sudo: cd: command not found" what's this?
[02:51] <spola> cd isn't a cmmand, it's a shell builtin
[02:51] <chrismy> davix, how is it going?
[02:51] <osfameron> heh
[02:51] <aftertaf> >type cd
[02:51] <Kyral> then wtf do you use to cd :P
[02:51] <spola> try to just cd into it, if that won't work, do "sudo bash" first (and BE CAREFUL)
[02:51] <aftertaf>  david@dell-laptop:~$ type cd
[02:51] <aftertaf> cd is a shell built-in
[02:51] <aftertaf> :)
[02:51] <aru> you shouldn't have to sudo cd
[02:52] <Nalioth> ekimus: you'll need to "sudo -s" first, b4 you 'cd' and BE CAREFUL
[02:52] <Nalioth> aru: some folders don't want you in em
[02:52] <aru> weird
[02:52] <Nalioth> aru: if he mucks about badly in that place, he'll learn why
[02:53] <aru> thats why I just open a root terminal and type nautilus
[02:53] <ekimus> Nalioth: arent environment variables set for sudo in ubuntu, it should work imho
[02:53] <DewDude> you gotta do it with sudo
[02:53] <Zeaposs> I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ? When installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves one of the packages, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[02:53] <Kyral> Okay...something funky in my system log
[02:53] <aftertaf> try ebay
[02:53] <Nalioth> ekimus: there are exceptions to everything
[02:54] <Nalioth> Zeaposs: choose the "server" install
[02:54] <OrionBerlin> Hey
[02:54] <OrionBerlin> Can someone tell me if on Ubuntu a firewall installed?
[02:54] <Zeaposs> same
[02:54] <ekimus> well then for the root shell...
[02:54] <Zeaposs> ok, it doesn't go into loop - it kicks me out to expert menu
[02:55] <xsquared> anyone in here from brisbane, australia?
[02:55] <Kyral> every hour at 17 minutes past, a CRON event happens that "(pam unix) Session opened/closed for user root by (uid=0)
[02:55] <aftertaf> OrionBerlin:  dont think so
[02:55] <Kyral> izzat normal?
[02:55] <OrionBerlin> aftertaf, yea problem is i cant run steam in cedega.
[02:55] <xsquared> OrionBerlin: are you taling about running HL in linux?
[02:56] <xsquared> half-life
[02:56] <DewDude> i enabled DRI on my Rage 128 last night.....they were right..it does lock up..however it doesn't crash on me
[02:56] <kamikazesponge> !mp3
[02:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[02:56] <spola> why do i have to remove both dr- and mzscheme if i want to install the readline-dev 5?
[02:56] <hussam> how do I disable splash screen in gxine?
[02:56] <Nalioth> OrionBerlin: all linux has a "firewall", it's called "iptables" and w/o it, linux wont' work
[02:56] <OrionBerlin> xsquared, yes, i want to play it through cedega, on Fedora Core and Suse it worked without problems, but in Ubuntu it doent work. Cant connect to the Steam network all the time
[02:57] <Nalioth> OrionBerlin: it ususally isnt enabled by default
[02:57] <xsquared> OrionBerlin: oh, im not sure there then :-\
[03:00] <DewDude> i wonder if itll play these OGGS
[03:01] <lunitik> OrionBerlin: Ubuntu uses no firewall... however, you have to explicitly allow incoming connections... man iptables or apt-get install firestarter to do this
[03:02] <DewDude>  wow
[03:02] <DewDude> it's playing music
[03:02] <brenner> lunitik: cool...so we're protected by default?
[03:03] <Nalioth> brenner: not protected by default, cuz nothing is listening at any ports by default
[03:03] <bytefoo> i'm the firstarter, twisting firestarter!
[03:03] <lunitik> Nalioth: in my opinion... that is a form of protection  ;)
[03:03] <DewDude> prodigy
[03:04] <lunitik> brenner: in my opinion... yes; in Nalioth's opinon... no  -   You answer, if nothing can connect to your box from the outside, do you consider this protection?
[03:04] <brenner> DewDude: no, really? :)
[03:05] <brenner> lunitik: yes, i do
[03:05] <bytefoo> no
[03:05] <bytefoo> because you still know something is there
[03:05] <Nalioth> lunitik: yes, security through obscurity
[03:06] <lunitik> bytefoo: no connection to the internet is secure... but for a desktop/workstation... its really as secure as it needs to be...
[03:06] <aftertaf> unplug all cables and hardware, put computer in a closet, lock door.... it'll be safe
[03:06] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[03:06] <lunitik> bytefoo: if you have enough time in your day to hack innocent desktops... you need to get a job.
[03:07] <bytefoo> no what i'm saying is, the desktop will still respond to port scans and such
[03:07] <bytefoo> saying this port is closed, instead of not responding at all :|
[03:07] <bytefoo> but yah, you are right in a way ;)
[03:09] <lunitik> aftertaf: yuh... not very useful... but pretty secure  ;)
[03:09] <Zeaposs> I'm having little problem with ubuntu installation. Is there a way to install ubuntu on PC with only 32 MB of RAM ? When installation proceeds, it stops on loading additional components (it retrieves one of the packages, then tries to unpack it and goes into loop retrieve-unpack)
[03:10] <aftertaf> try eBay
[03:11] <lunitik> Zeaposs: Ubuntu isn't the distro for you/that computer... its a desktop distro, and installs a basic desktop without asking really... maybe try damnsmall linux or simular?
[03:11] <lunitik> Zeaposs: damnsmall linux is a debian distro, simular to ubuntu, however, it is more suited to your configuration
[03:12] <Zeaposs> uhum
[03:12] <lunitik> Zeaposs: I really hope you're not planning on using that for more than a router/proxy etc though...
[03:13] <brenner> lunitik: so dsl doesn't give you a DE?
[03:13] <Zeaposs> well, i just wanted to setup temprorary http server.
[03:13] <lunitik> brenner: nope
[03:13] <lunitik> brenner: not by default at least...
[03:13] <lunitik> Zeaposs: might do if the http server is for local domain...
[03:14] <lunitik> Zeaposs: try mainstream Debian, or Damnsmall Linux though.
[03:14] <Zeaposs> ok, thanks
[03:15] <lunitik> brenner: distrowatch.org states that default WM is fluxbox btw
[03:15] <brenner> lunitik: ah, ok
[03:15] <brenner> lunitik: doesn't debian use gnome?
[03:16] <Myrtti> I thought debian didn't use neither as default
[03:16] <lunitik> brenner: Debian doesn't pick for you... especially if you choose 'manually select packages' (which is my prefered method)
[03:16] <Nalioth> Zeaposs: i answered you earlier, use the "server installation" option
[03:16] <lunitik> brenner: the desktop install on Debian installs both KDE and GNOME however...
[03:16] <qt2> err, is there an easy way to reset the permissions of the /etc dir?
[03:16] <Zeaposs> Nalitoh - and it didn't helped
[03:17] <brenner> lunitik: righto....sorry for all the questions...ubuntu was my 1st debian-based distro
[03:17] <thesaltydog> just installed breezy and getting a lot of "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib at /usr/lib/perl5/Gtk2.pm line 59" messages...
[03:17] <lunitik> brenner: its ok...
[03:17] <thesaltydog> what's the matter?
[03:17] <brenner> i'm actually thinking of trying debian when i get time
[03:17] <lunitik> thesaltydog: I don't recall getting those... file a bug...
[03:18] <lunitik> thesaltydog: does it appear to complete the upgrade though?
[03:18] <thesaltydog> a bug is already filed from french guys. I'm from italy..
[03:18] !lilo:*! Hint: due to spambot problems, freenode is currently blocking private messages from unregistered users. But if you register with NickServ and use "/msg nickserv set unfiltered on", you can get those messages.
[03:18] <lunitik> thesaltydog: does it appear to complete the upgrade though?
[03:18] <thesaltydog> lunitik, yes the installation is good and all gnome is localized. Programs are working, but starting from terminal I got those messages
[03:19] <lunitik> thesaltydog: enless you see strangeness within applications... don't worry too much about it...
[03:19] <qt2> if i upgrade to breezy, is it possible ot downgrade back to hoary, without having ot do a complete reinstall?
[03:19] <Zeaposs> *Nalioth
[03:20] <lunitik> thesaltydog: also... make sure your system is utterly up to date... make sure libgtk2.0-0 is version 2.8.0 or higher
[03:20] <Nalioth> qt2: possible but diffecult (easier road is reinstalling after backup of your homedir)
[03:20] <thoreauputic> lunitik: wb - haven't seen you around for a while :)
[03:20] !lilo:*! Hint: to auto-identify to NickServ, just specify your nickserv password as your server password!
[03:20] <lunitik> thesaltydog: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0
[03:20] <lunitik> thoreauputic: not here for long... waiting for OpenSUSE to release.
[03:20] <DewDude> sweet
[03:20] <qt2> Nalioth, backup of the homedir is as simple as copying  the .tar.gz to another hd right?
[03:20] <DewDude> i got all the transcoded music burned
[03:21] <Rockett18> yeah OpenSUSE is starting to look pretty sweet
[03:21] <DewDude> now i only have to rip my 120 gig out tonight
[03:21] <lunitik> Rockett18: yes... somewhat offtopic though ;)
[03:21] <Rockett18> even though I love debian based distros (mainly ubuntu of course)
[03:21] <Rockett18> indeed it is.. shhhh!
[03:21] <thesaltydog> lunitik, ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.8.3-0ubuntu1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library
[03:22] <lunitik> thesaltydog: ok... thats not the issue then... just keep an eye out for 'strangeness'
[03:22] <Nalioth> qt2: everything in your /home/yourusername/
[03:22] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I can't be part of a community that would let Seveas dictate anything...
[03:23] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I'm sorry to hear that
[03:23] <brenner> Nalioth: that 'd have to be done by invoking tar/gzip directly though right?   iirc, file-roller won't include . files/dirs
[03:23] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I used to help entirely too much to put up with his crap.
[03:23] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I understand your position
[03:23] <Nalioth> brenner: correct, tar with the -all or howerver you option it
[03:24] <budyliciosu> can i play mp3s on ubuntu
[03:24] <budyliciosu> ?????
[03:24] <DewDude> yeah
[03:24] <lunitik> !tell budyliciosu about RestrictedFormats
[03:24] <DewDude> i'm playing OGG
[03:24] <DewDude> then again
[03:24] <DewDude> that's an open format
[03:24] <lunitik> budyliciosu: read that page
[03:24] <DewDude> i was playin Mp3's last night
[03:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: may I pm you briefly ?
[03:25] <lunitik> thoreauputic: sure
[03:25] <vices> is red hat really the most popular linux distro?
[03:25] <Nalioth> holy macaroli! curl isnt default here? wow!
[03:25] <carthik> hi, anyone who uses fetchmail+procmail+mutt here?
[03:25] <lunitik> vices: according to many serveys, yes
[03:25] <brenner> vices: lol, don't thikn so
[03:25] <brenner> oh?
[03:25] <carthik> vices, was at some point of time... right now ubuntu is #1 at distrowatch.com :)
[03:27] <vices> i don't think that site is accounting for red-hat
[03:27] <Nalioth> vices: there are many avenues of "most popular distro"
[03:27] <carthik> vices, but redhat doesn't exist for users like us... not like it used to - anyways i have a feeling this may not be the best place to discuss that :)
[03:28] <vices> humm.. what sort of users are we?
[03:30] <Myrtti> noncommercial
[03:31] <Myrtti> noncorporate
[03:32] <MikaEL`> I'm trying to burn some ISO files but Nautilus CD burn doesn't seem to have this option .. I tried to install K3B but that requires too many dependencies on KDE
[03:32] <nai81> !root
[03:32] <ubotu> from memory, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:33] <CaiN_SA> MikaEL`, apt-get install k3b :P
[03:33] <Nalioth> MikaEL`: do you not have enough space for the dependencies?
[03:33] <lunitik> MikaEL`: nautilus will realize its an ISO, and burn the image correctly... I didn't believe it either... but it works  :)
[03:33] <lunitik> MikaEL`: simply drag the image to the CDRW folder, and tell it to burn the image  :)
[03:35] <xlnt> hmm, anyone that have actually gotten ubuntu installed using vpc2k4? I keep getting the "kernel panic" error, even before the install starts.
[03:35] <MikaEL`> thanx lunitik
[03:35] <carthik> MikaEL`: also, you can right click on the image and say "burn" and burn it will...
[03:36] <marcin_ant> hi all
[03:36] <marcin_ant> I got a problem with usplash
[03:37] <marcin_ant> I use breezy on Asus laptop with widescreen lcd - 1280x768
[03:37] <unvs> !kde
[03:37] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[03:37] <marcin_ant> and I installed usplash
[03:37] <marcin_ant> but it flickers on boot
[03:37] <unvs> !botsnack
[03:37] <ubotu> :)
[03:38] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me if there is some way to customize usplash to behave correctly on widesceen lcd?
[03:39] <jpfarias> hey people!
[03:39] <spiral> hi
[03:39] <lunitik> !hi jpfarias
[03:39] <ubotu> lunitik: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[03:39] <jpfarias> I've instaled kubuntu to test the kde environment
[03:39] <lunitik> !botslap
[03:39] <ubotu> lunitik: Are you on ritalin?
[03:39] <jpfarias> but now I want to remove it
[03:40] <jpfarias> how can I do that?
[03:40] <jpfarias> I want to keep the default gnome
[03:40] <Nalioth> jpfarias: do you not have a big HD?
[03:40] <jpfarias> well
[03:40] <lunitik> jpfarias: cleanest way is to install debfoster... and so no to all kde applications...
[03:40] <jpfarias> I can stick with both
[03:41] <jpfarias> but, as I'm not using kde anymore, it is annoying to update kde
[03:41] <jpfarias> what is debfoster?
[03:42] <lunitik> jpfarias: apt-cache show debfoster
[03:42] <unvs> when i install kde, do i get the option to choose between kde/gnome at login?
[03:42] <Nalioth> jpfarias: it is a tool to remove orphaned debs and such
[03:43] <lunitik> unvs: yes... via GDM or KDM ... you can edit /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager to configure which is used (file isn't there to start, so you need to make it)
[03:43] <Nalioth> jpfarias: you dont use ANY kde apps?
[03:43] <jpfarias> only k3b sometimes
[03:43] <unvs> lunitik: thanks
[03:43] <MikaEL`> will Ubuntu have a graphical installer in the near future ? :)
[03:43] <vices> x-chat doesn't have a very good channel list function..
[03:44] <lunitik> MikaEL`: most likely not the too near future  ;)
[03:44] <lunitik> MikaEL`: it is possible to extend debian-installer... however no one is really near to completing this task afaik
[03:45] <jpfarias> lunitik, that is a kind of project I would like to join!
[03:45] <lunitik> jpfarias: #debian-boot  ... see if you can help any of the maintainers of the installer?  :)
[03:45] <Nalioth> jpfarias: are you on broadband?
[03:46] <jpfarias> more or less
[03:46] <Nalioth> jpfarias: then easier to leave it (imho)
[03:46] <jpfarias> 600kbps here
[03:46] <selinium> Quick question, if I am logged in by ssh and I issue a shutdown message, will that shutdown the remote machine? That or I have to go to the office a check someone hasn't run off with my server!
[03:46] <unvs> i got my 10mbps last week :D
[03:46] <lunitik> selinium: yes, it will shut down the remote machine
[03:47] <jpfarias> selinium, yup, if you have the rights...
[03:47] <MikaEL`> I have ordered a dozen CD's from ubuntu site .. how long will I have to wait for them ?
[03:47] <Nalioth> selinium: when logged in, all commands are run on the machine you are logged in on
[03:47] <lunitik> MikaEL`: have you ordered before?
[03:47] <jpfarias> MikaEL`, about a month or two
[03:47] <MikaEL`> lunitik: no
[03:47] <Nalioth> MikaEL`: they say 4-6 weeks (they come from .nl)
[03:48] <MikaEL`> I'm from Romania ;)
[03:48] <lunitik> jpfarias: about what jpfarias said then... new orders are dealt with first... then people who have already gotten discs...
[03:48] <brenner> vices: i recall having a channel spit a "proper" list out in my server tab...can't recall why it did so or how to do it now though...try asking #xchat
[03:48] <xlnt> Anyone know why I get "attempting to kill idle task" errors when I try to install under virtual vc 2004?
[03:48] <selinium> Hi Nalioth. I didn't shutdown through ssh, I issued a normal shutdown for my PC, but If it sent a global shutdown, is it not possible it shut both down at the same time?
[03:49] <carthik> MikaEL`: if you have a disk - making copies off of it might be speedier
[03:49] <selinium> Nalioth, I here you are being made up to 'op' :)
[03:49] <carthik> MikaEL`: else you can email me and i will ship you one - at my cost - if you dont have the cd for some reason
[03:49] <Nalioth> selinium: if you ssh into a box and shut YOUR machine down, the connection is lost and nothing happens on the other box
[03:49] <Nalioth> selinium: that's what i hear, too
[03:50] <brenner> Nalioth: really? congrats. :)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Nalioth: no word yet?
[03:50] <selinium> Nalioth: Are you sure? Only I can dial into the router fine, it just says there are no computers attached to it.
[03:50] <selinium> thoreauputic: You too, congrats
[03:51] <MikaEL`> thanks carthik .. I have a CD burner but I want them to be genuine :) to share to some friends of mine ...
[03:51] <thoreauputic> selinium: thanks
[03:51] <Nalioth> thoreauputic: no word about what?
[03:51] <brenner> thoreauputic: what selinium said :)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Nalioth: about ops - I think thay have to ask lilo ?
[03:51] <lunitik> MikaEL`: thats exactly what Canonical have in mind... good luck with that, hope they like the distro  :)
[03:52] <selinium> Nalioth: thoreauptuic has been made up as well!
[03:52] <lunitik> thoreauputic: no... you just get registered with chanserv
[03:52] <thoreauputic> selinium: he was at the meeting ;)
[03:52] <selinium> thoreauputic: Doh!
[03:52] <marcin_ant> hmm is ther any kernel option for vga on 1280x768 display?
[03:52] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I think only the channel creator can assign channel ops though... but yeah...
[03:52] <selinium> Any it is good you guys are being given the credit you deserve
[03:53] <marcin_ant> I mean vga=xxx option in grub?
[03:53] <selinium> Anyway*
[03:53] <lunitik> marcin_ant: for cli... add 'vga=791'
[03:53] <carthik> would be nice to get printable cd stickers, you know... so i could stick them on cds i burn at home and pass them around...
[03:53] <brenner> marcin_ant: why? doesn't that work?
[03:53] <lunitik> marcin_ant: wait... thats 1280x1024... hold on
[03:53] <meta> trouble with dvds ppl...."hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc" gives me /dev/hdc: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:53] <meta> as root
[03:53] <brenner> !dma
[03:54] <marcin_ant> brenner, usplash flickers on my laptop lcd
[03:54] <MikaEL`> lunitik: they'll sure like it :)
[03:54] <marcin_ant> brenner, and I think that maybe if I set correct vga option then it will work ok
[03:54] <brenner> meta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[03:55] <brenner> meta: there's a section there for the op not permitted fix
[03:55] <brenner> marcin_ant: my guss is the higher you go, the more flicker
[03:55] <brenner> *guess
[03:56] <brenner> anywa, someone told me about fbset ....try that maybe
[03:56] <lunitik> marcin_ant: try 'vga=788'
[03:56] <lunitik> marcin_ant: sorry that took so long  :(
[03:57] <meta> brenner, cheers dude saved me some time
[03:57] <marcin_ant> lunitik, np. - 788 = 800x600?
[03:57] <brenner> lunitik: googling for a framebuffer table? :)
[03:57] <k0p> In shipit.ubuntulinux.org say that CDs already send: 2005-08-24 00:00:00.00. But I don't still receive.. :\
[03:57] <lunitik> marcin_ant: no... 788 *should* be 1280x768
[03:58] <lunitik> brenner: yup... heh... I only have my own memorized  ;)
[03:58] <marcin_ant> lunitik, ok I'll try in a minute
[03:58] <unvs> i've got the same dpi and font size in both kde and gnome, still in kde the fonts are smaller. why is this?
[03:58] <brenner> lunitik: where's the link?  i lost the page i found ages ago :)
[03:58] <k0p> anybody know?
[03:58] <jpfarias> lunitik, ubuntu uses the same installer as debian?
[03:59] <lunitik> brenner: I just search 'linux boot vga <res>' and look at the breif details till it shows what I want  ;)
[03:59] <brenner> k0p: you in the US?
[03:59] <k0p> No
[03:59] <lunitik> brenner: I remember it used to be on a Red Hat site though... I just can't remember it.
[03:59] <lunitik> jpfarias: yes... although they customize it somewhat...
[03:59] <k0p> brenner: I'm from Portugal
[04:00] <lunitik> jpfarias: you can customize the installer so much that it doesn't ask any questions  ;)
[04:00] <jpfarias> =)
[04:00] <brenner> lunitik: found it: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer_Support
[04:00] <brenner> lunitik: hex codes though
[04:01] <brenner> k0p: 7 days would be awfully quick .. took ~2 mths here in aus
[04:01] <k0p> brenner okay ;)
[04:02] <lunitik> brenner: ahhh.. thanks  :)
[04:02] <brenner> i remember it being a gentoo page....made it easy to find
[04:03] <marcin_ant> lunitik, http://www.8ung.at/spblinux/grub.htm
[04:03] <lunitik> brenner: actually... it doesn't have 1280x768... heh
[04:03] <marcin_ant> lunitik, this is why I think that it will be 800x600
[04:03] <lunitik> marcin_ant: ahhh... sorry then...
[04:03] <marcin_ant> lunitik, but in fact it is not important - it can be 640x480 but _without_ flickering
[04:03] <brenner> lunitik: oh. :)
[04:04] <lunitik> marcin_ant: 'nofb' perhaps?
[04:04] <brenner> i use 792 on my machine
[04:05] <brenner> well,  0x318 really. :)
[04:05] <marcin_ant> lunitik, heh funny - no usplash at all with vga=788 ;)
[04:06] <marcin_ant> lunitik, so... success - no flickering :D
[04:06] <brenner> marcin_ant: like i said, when i asked about changing refresh rates in console, someone tolde me about 'fbset'....might be worth a try
[04:06] <lunitik> ahhh... according to that.... 791 is 1024x768 ... I wonder how small the text would be if I tried 795 (which is what I actually wanted in the first place)
[04:06] <carthik> I deleted /var/mail/carthik - now how do i recreate it?
[04:07] <lunitik> carthik: sudo touch /var/mail/carthik
[04:07] <Nalioth> carthik: you do nothing, it will recreate itself
[04:07] <lunitik> carthik: its just a regular file... mbox just farts stuff there when you get mail...
[04:08] <brenner> lunitik: reading from touch's man page....that just changes the timestamp :-/ how does that recover a file?
[04:08] <carthik> Nalioth: i tried doing an echo test | mail carthik
[04:08] <carthik> Nalioth: but that didnt create a new file there as i'd expected
[04:08] <lunitik> brenner: it creates the file...
[04:08] <lunitik> brenner: in your home dir... touch thisthing  ... empty file is created
[04:08] <k0p> I have one more question: Can I use Ubuntu in the Company? It is GPL or something like that?
[04:08] <Nalioth> carthik: really? i guess "touch" it, then like lunitik suggests
[04:09] <brenner> lunitik: ah....nifty
[04:09] <Nalioth> brenner: you can "touch" anything into existence
[04:10] <carthik> Nalioth, lunitik : touch: cannot touch `carthik': Permission denied
[04:10] <carthik> i love the sound of that
[04:10] <brenner> file nalioth: empty
[04:10] <carthik> oh sudo
[04:10] <carthik> sorry
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hmm
[04:11] <infinito> can anyone tell me why apt says packages are not signed?
[04:11] <lunitik> infinito: dpkg -l gnupg
[04:12] <lunitik> infinito: is that installed?
[04:12] <lunitik> infinito: actually... just 'dpkg -l gnupg | grep ^ii'
[04:12] <carthik> lunitik: after i touch it, i still cant send myself any mail
[04:12] <lunitik> less thinking for you  :)
[04:12] <lunitik> carthik: change perms to mailman or whatever
[04:12] <infinito> lunitik: yes, it's installed
[04:13] <lunitik> carthik: 'mail' is the group
[04:13] <lunitik> infinito: should work next time you apt-get update then...
[04:13] <lunitik> !deb key
[04:13] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, lunitik
[04:13] <lunitik> !find gnupg key
[04:14] <Nalioth> lunitik: what are you after?
[04:15] <unvs> is freetype compiled with BCI in ubuntu?
[04:15] <ubotu> ubuntu-keyring: (GnuPG keys of the Ubuntu archive), section misc, is optional. Version: 2005.01.12.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[04:15] <carthik> lunitik: sorry but i changed the group to "mail" and owner to "carthik, chmod 660, even, still cant mail myself - any clues...
[04:16] <lunitik> Nalioth: there was a gnupg command to manually fetch the key's for ubuntu...
[04:16] <Nalioth> lunitik: you should have all of them
[04:16] <lunitik> carthik: it should have worked... sorry...
[04:17] <lunitik> Nalioth: infinito didn't though
[04:17] <Nalioth> strange he didnt
[04:17] <lunitik> Nalioth: apt was asking him about varification... which means he's lacking a key... perhaps its from a different archive though?
[04:18] <Nalioth> lunitik: most likely it is
[04:18] <Nalioth> lunitik: i'm asked all the time on various source repos i use
[04:19] <lunitik> Nalioth: you should file a bug about that with each one... Sid upgraded apt to the version that uses gnupg keys... so its offically a bug of the repo provider...
[04:20] <Nalioth> lunitik: yes, the repo provider
[04:20] <lunitik> Give everyone like 3-6 months though, and they should be up to speed on the unstable distrib's
[04:21] <lunitik> Nalioth: at least contact them and complain... if enough people do so... they might act on it sooner  :)
[04:21] <fredforfaen> yo peeps
[04:21] <lunitik> Given that you actually have grounds now - they can't say 'well, this isn't meant for Ubuntu, its for Debian - you really should  :)
[04:22] <lunitik> fredforfaen: hey
[04:23] <poorboy> Hey guys do you have a HCL floating around somewhere?
[04:23] <fredforfaen> hey lunitik
[04:23] <fredforfaen> does anybody here know how to change their freenode password?
[04:24] <MikaEL`> after I installed ubuntu and "booting" gnome , I didn't find any Trash dir on my desktop .. so when I delete an item from my desktop does it die for good ?
[04:24] <lunitik> poorboy: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html
[04:24] <poorboy> Thank you lunitik
[04:24] <brenner> MikaEL`: probably not
[04:25] <brenner> MikaEL`: check your ~/.Trash folder
[04:25] <brenner> MikaEL`: you can also add the trashbin applet to your panel
[04:25] <dtamas> How can I remove mounted hard drive icons from desktop?
[04:26] <Nalioth> fredforfaen: /msg nickserv help
[04:26] <brenner> dtamas: gconf setting iirc....can't recall which one though
[04:26] <lunitik> fredforfaen: /msg NickServ HELP SET
[04:27] <lunitik> fredforfaen: /msg NickServ SET HELP PASSWORD
[04:27] <ngd> hey guys, what's the definitive way to load a specific GTK theme?
[04:27] <brenner> meanwhile, i don't have any icons...
[04:27] <lunitik> fredforfaen: ignore the last one... heh... seeing if I could be more specific for ya.. guess not...
[04:28] <lunitik> brenner: change the icon set?
[04:28] <lunitik> brenner: System > Preferences > Icon  "Custom Theme" > Icons tab
[04:28] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[04:28] <lunitik> brenner: uhh... Theme Details... not Custom Theme
[04:29] <brenner> lunitik: using the default gnome set...i meant i don't have icons for my mounted HDs  like dtamas does
[04:29] <ngd> lunitik: no, from the command line
[04:29] <lunitik> brenner: ohhh... sorry
[04:29] <ngd> does anyone know how to specifiy and load a GTK theme without having started any of gname
[04:29] <ngd> gnome*
[04:30] <brenner> lunitik: np...my fault. i didn't make that clear :)
[04:30] <brenner> ngd: load a theme in console-mode? :-/
[04:31] <lunitik> ngd: sudo apt-get install gtk-theme-switch
[04:31] <carthik> dtamas - configuration editor -> nautilus - preferences....
[04:32] <brenner> carthik: what's the option?
[04:32] <ngd> ngd: nope not what I need, I want to be able to load the theme within my .xinitrc
[04:32] <ngd> lunitik: because I dont use Gnome
[04:32] <ngd> lunitik: but still use GTK applications
[04:32] <lunitik> ngd: yeah... what I just said is what you want...
[04:33] <lunitik> ngd: it depends on none of GNOME... and is a pretty simple little tool...
[04:33] <pirast> what happens with hwdb.ubuntu.com?
[04:33] <ogra> pirast, it will be up again soon...
[04:33] <pirast> ok th
[04:33] <pirast> x
[04:34] <lunitik> ogra: just to pick your brain... where does gnome store current theme information? I thought it was .gtkrc ... but I don't appear to have this file...
[04:35] <lunitik> ogra: (I don't mean the theme itself's .gtkrc file... this I know where to find  :)
[04:35] <ogra> lunitik, look in gconf-editor and at gconftool-2
[04:35] <lunitik> ogra: hmm... which .gconf related dir would it be?
[04:35] <ngd> lunitik: cheers looking into gtk-theme-switch now
[04:35] <ogra> additionally its ~/.gtkrc-mine
[04:35] <lunitik> ogra: I don't have this file either  :(
[04:36] <ngd> ogra: the .gtkrc file seemed a bit flakey for me
[04:36] <ngd> I never know if it's actually working!
[04:36] <carthik> brenner: apps->nautilus->desktop-> volumes_visible
[04:36] <ogra> lunitik, the gconf key might be in /desktop/gnome/interface/
[04:36] <ogra> sorry, i'm very busy...
[04:37] <brenner> carthik: thanks....but weird...i have that enabled. :-/
[04:38] <lunitik> ngd: seems you can edit ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml  ... seems pretty basic too... although how it knows where 'Human' is is beyond me...
[04:39] <lunitik> ogra: ahh... yup... thanks  :)
[04:39] <lunitik> ogra: sorry to disturb you... have fun  :)
[04:40] <ogra> lunitik, working towards preview freeze ;)
[04:40] <lunitik> ogra: exciting  :)   good luck
[04:40] <ogra> thanks, i'll need it :)
[04:42] <brenner> what an awful quit message. :-/
[04:44] <Nalioth> brenner: i agree
[04:47] <pepsi> i like it
[04:47] <fubry> hi
[04:47] <lunitik> pepsi: you have a twisted sense of humor
[04:47] <lunitik> fubry: hi
[04:47] <lunitik> fubry: need any help?  :D
[04:47] <fubry> is there anyone that have already been using breezy?
[04:47] <dulac> yes
[04:47] <lunitik> fubry: yup
[04:48] <dulac> it doesn't work with my nVidia card
[04:48] <dulac> it's a 5700
[04:48] <davro> fubry: yup dist-upgrade ing as we speak
[04:48] <fubry> i'm using hoary since 1month before it has been realeased and no problem, so i'm thinking in upgrade now to breezy.
[04:48] <qt2> is there a way to correctly play wmv's on linux/
[04:48] <dulac> [out] 
[04:49] <brenner> correctly? :)
[04:49] <fubry> but there are always some people that think a huge mistake use a branch before it's realease
[04:49] <lunitik> fubry: its pretty stable here... although Rhythmbox is having some issues...
[04:49] <brenner> ubotu: tell qt2 about restricted
[04:49] <skip> ls
[04:50] <ramah> hi everyone
[04:50] <davro> Your choice, personally would only upgrade if the machine is now to important, data is backed up.
[04:50] <lunitik> fubry: if I was you, I'd wait a few more days though... apparently preview is on its way to a mirror near you pretty soon.
[04:50] <davro> now = not
[04:50] <arachnion> hello everyone
[04:50] <arachnion> I am having some sound problems
[04:51] <lunitik> ThreeDayMonk: what exactly is the issue?
[04:51] <lunitik> arachnion: whats the card?
[04:51] <arachnion> onboard AC'97 thingy
[04:51] <kamikazesponge> how do i install a .deb package?
[04:51] <jkrogh> Hi.. I'd like to mount my home-catalog with autofs.. the mountpath is supposed to be /path/to/home/jesper .. where /path/to is exported from the server.. is that possible?
[04:51] <ThreeDayMonk> lunitik: strxfrm and Japanese kana
[04:51] <qt2> i'm actually having a bit of a sound problem too...
[04:52] <lunitik> arachnion: type this into your irc client: /exec -o lspci | grep audio
[04:52] <arachnion> Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 11)
[04:52] <ThreeDayMonk> lunitik: en_US.UTF-8 (and en_GB) transform all kana to the same token, so comparison and sorting is broken
[04:52] <arachnion> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 11)
[04:52] <ThreeDayMonk> I know they're not actually used in English, but as distinct characters they should be sorted differently
[04:52] <arachnion> nice trick lunitik ;)
[04:53] <brenner> ubotu: tell kamikazesponge about deb
[04:53] <lunitik> arachnion: lsmod | grep sound  .... do you see 'snd-intel0x8'?
[04:53] <erchache> where is channel for ubuntu amd64?
[04:53] <brenner> ubotu: tell kamikazesponge about dpkg
[04:53] <skip> hI, has the ubuntu version of gnome no famd network server ? or can I install that application
[04:53] <qt2> brenner, yeah, i've gone through that, problem is, wmv's play, and audio is fine, but video shows up all scrambled abotu.
[04:53] <Nalioth> erchache: you're in it
[04:53] <qt2> (about
[04:53] <brenner> qt2: what player?
[04:53] <erchache> ok
[04:53] <arachnion> no lunitik
[04:53] <Nalioth> qt2: some modern wmvs wont play no matter what
[04:53] <erchache> im triying to compile 2.6.13 on a hp dl145 g2
[04:53] <qt2> brenner, all of them, mplayer, xine, totem.
[04:53] <arachnion> soundcore
[04:53] <erchache> and doesnt recognize my hardware clock
[04:54] <brenner> qt2: try  totem-xine...but Nalioth made a good point
[04:54] <erchache> hpet must be enable?
[04:54] <qt2> brenner, tried that ;)
[04:54] <lunitik> arachnion: hmm.... 'sudo modprobe snd-intel0x8'  ... and if thats not it... try switching the 8 and 0... its one of those  :)
[04:54] <qt2> Nalioth, hm, that's probably the issue i'm having...
[04:54] <arachnion> ok
[04:54] <qt2> Nalioth, guess someone needs to get around to reworking stuff, eh?
[04:54] <arachnion> the 8x0 one worked
[04:54] <arachnion> well, it didn't give an error
[04:55] <arachnion> I guess I should log in and out now, to see changes?
[04:55] <lunitik> arachnion: that means it worked  ;)
[04:55] <Nalioth> qt2: it's all uncle bills fault, changing codec standards alla time
[04:55] <lunitik> arachnion: sudo -i  ... after typing YOUR password... type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' and tell me if it makes a noise... to stop it... just hit ctrl+c  :)
[04:56] <qt2> Nalioth, indeed, i'd work on the codec stuff myself if i could progrma at all.
[04:56] <Nalioth> qt2: with wmv (or any microsoft thing) it is usually a game of 'catch-up"
[04:56] <arachnion> nothing lunitik
[04:57] <ThreeDayMonk> gxine plays all of them I've seen so far
[04:57] <arachnion> just noticed this:
[04:57] <davro> if you want to ketchup.
[04:57] <qt2> anywho, onto my next issue, i've got some sound cracling, and no matter what i do, i cant correct it, i've followed a bunch of ubuntuforums guides, and none have corrected it completely.
[04:57] <arachnion> if I backspace too much in my terminal
[04:57] <arachnion> my sound beeps
[04:57] <qt2> *crackling
[04:57] <brenner> arachnion: turn off terminal bell if you don't want that feature
[04:58] <lunitik> arachnion: speaker in top right of your desktop... right click on it and select "Open Volume Control" ... make sure they are all turned up... and try again if they weren't...
[04:58] <arachnion> ok brenner, just thought it might be useful, since I'm trying to fix an audio problem
[04:58] <brenner> *chuckle*  windows users in the same lab as me always get pissed off at all the beeps at uni. :)
[04:58] <arachnion> they are all up lunitik
[04:58] <brenner> qt2: what apps?
[04:58] <arachnion> did that some time ago
[04:58] <brenner> or all sounds?
[04:59] <lunitik> arachnion: that noise doesn't come from the sound card though... comes from the system speaker...
[04:59] <arachnion> :(
[04:59] <lunitik> arachnion: sudo modprobe snd-ac97  (or it could just be ac97, but try the snd- one first)
[04:59] <erchache> this is a shit!
[05:00] <erchache> im compiling 2.6.13 but fails on some point and send me to console....WITH ROOT ACCESS!
[05:00] <qt2> brenner, most apps, actually, though it's really noticable with gaim sound sin particular, slightly with bmp/xmms, and not really at all with my video players, i can occasinally hear it with some system sounds, but that could jsut be me trying to listen too hard.
[05:00] <arachnion> worked lunitik
[05:00] <Toba> whoa
[05:00] <Toba> no ops
[05:00] <Toba> anyway
[05:00] <lunitik> arachnion: try the sudo -i thing again
[05:00] <erchache> im compiling 2.6.13 but fails on some point and send me to console....WITH ROOT ACCESS!
[05:00] <brenner> qt2: tried playing around with volumes?
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know how to connect to a remote xserver using xnest? can it be done?
[05:00] <brenner> qt2: via alsamixer maybe?
[05:00] <qt2> brenner, indeed i have.
[05:00] <Toba> what program lets me interact gui-wise with a program running remotely?
[05:00] <Toba> basically SSH with gui
[05:00] <qt2> brenner, no noticable effect.
[05:00] <Toba> I know it exists.... but what is it
[05:01] <lunitik> Kamping_Kaiser: thats kinda the point of xnest... man xnest
[05:01] <brenner> qt2: changing the output plugins in bmp/xmms?
[05:01] <arachnion> lunitik, sudo -i, and then? modprobe ac97?
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> I've usit it localy, and so i suppose it's soething for tomorrow
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> not reading manpages right now
[05:01] <lunitik> arachnion: then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:02] <arachnion> lunitik, no change
[05:02] <arachnion> my /dev/dsp is chmodded alright ;)
[05:02] <arachnion> I tried so many thing already :(
[05:02] <Toba> does nobody know?
[05:02] <lunitik> arachnion: idk what else could be the issue  :(
[05:02] <lunitik> arachnion: sorry
[05:03] <arachnion> no problem, you've already helped me a lot
[05:03] <arachnion> phone <<
[05:03] <kamikazesponge> i <3 apt-get!
[05:03] <kamikazesponge> ..just ignore that
[05:03] <Toba> oh?
[05:04] <Toba> there are sound card issues?
[05:04] <lunitik> Makes Ubuntu seem bad when a user can't even get sound working.
[05:04] <Toba> I think that could explain why sound is not working here
[05:04] <arachnion> lunitik, one more thing
[05:04] <Toba> some things make sound
[05:04] <Toba> but others do not
[05:04] <arachnion> any ideas on /etc/esound/esd.conf
[05:04] <lunitik> Toba: yes... there are usually 5-10 people a day in here asking about sound card issues...
[05:04] <Toba> system sounds work
[05:04] <Toba> I WANT TO HEAR THINGS AGAIN :(
[05:04] <arachnion> I followed some thing and changed it
[05:04] <brenner> OT: any opengl programmers?
[05:05] <lunitik> arachnion: that 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' bypasses esd... its raw sound if it works...
[05:05] <Toba> /dev/dsp =?
[05:05] <Toba> sound?
[05:05] <arachnion> sound Toba
[05:05] <arachnion> yes
[05:05] <lunitik> Toba: sound card device
[05:05] <Toba> silence
[05:05] <Toba> wtf.
[05:05] <arachnion> I'll remember that command then lunitik
[05:05] <arachnion> it'll be useful
[05:05] <qt2> brenner, heh, actually, yeh, having alsa or oss works  fine, esd is giving me the problem, but if i disable esd, then i get cracking with alsa, and oss.
[05:06] <LaserLine> Hello all, I have a question about PnP OS settings in BIOS...
[05:06] <lunitik> LaserLine: turn them off
[05:06] <LaserLine> I'm using a Fujitsu-Siemens S-4546 laptop with ubuntu 5.04 (686 kernel) should I have that settings in the bios enabled or disabled ?
[05:06] <Toba> eastein@pippin:~$ sleep 28800;cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[05:06] <Toba> wewt
[05:06] <Toba> that will make a good alarm
[05:06] <LaserLine> lunitik what does that setting mean?
[05:07] <lunitik> Toba: hahaha... I tried that... but its most annoying.... haha
[05:07] <Toba> why?
[05:07] <brenner> qt2: lol......anway, ask crimsun when he's in here....he knows his sound shit. :)
[05:07] <LaserLine> ekimus, I think my HD is healthy after all...
[05:07] <Toba> hmm
[05:07] <lunitik> LaserLine: it means the BIOS will argue with Linux... and it'll win... and some things won't work... turn it off
[05:07] <Toba> I seem to somehow have two sound devices
[05:07] <kamikazesponge> i get an error while compiling: configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found. but i have installed openssl. what's wrong?
[05:07] <Toba> because /dev/dsp definitely does NOT work, but I hear things
[05:08] <Toba> like "bonk" noises when I click tray icons and stuff
[05:08] <Toba> what would the system speaker be?
[05:08] <kamikazesponge> err.. compiling.. running ./configure that is
[05:08] <lunitik> Toba: ls -l /dev/dsp ... I believe its a symlink to dsp0
[05:08] <LaserLine> lunitik, is it normal that the charge monitor in gnome taking a l-o-n-g time identifying me plugging in the AC power cord and disconnecting it ?
[05:08] <lunitik> Toba: you can have more than one sound card though, ya know  :)
[05:08] <Toba> nope
[05:08] <Toba> no symlink
[05:09] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: you need the openssl -dev package
[05:09] <Toba> onboard sound, it looks like
[05:09] <kamikazesponge> Nalioth, E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev
[05:09] <lunitik> kamikazesponge: do yourself a favor and type 'apt-get build-dep pkgyourecompiling'
[05:10] <Toba> how would I find which device the system uses for system sounds?
[05:10] <Toba> is it in a config somewhere?
[05:10] <kamikazesponge> lunitik, i'm building a source tarball
[05:10] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: use synaptic
[05:10] <lunitik> kamikazesponge: cool... chances are there are already packages for it though...
[05:11] <LaserLine> Is it normal for Gnome Battery Charge Monitor to take a l-o-n-g time to identify AC Power and Battery power?
[05:11] <paulproteus> LaserLine: Depends on the underlying hardware.
[05:11] <kamikazesponge> lunitik, you're right. last time i checked it i didn't have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled..
[05:11] <LaserLine> paulproteus what do you mean ?
[05:11] <lunitik> kamikazesponge: sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
[05:11] <paulproteus> LaserLine: My iBook takes a two or three seconds.
[05:11] <kamikazesponge> lunitik, thx
[05:11] <paulproteus> LaserLine: What laptop?
[05:11] <vices> what's a good free webserver, one I can use php and perl and java with?
[05:11] <angel12> im having a problem with my wireless, when i try to bring it up i dont get an ip, but if i have my eth0 plugged into the router, i get and ip for both, but if i set my gateway to wlan0, i get no reply from a ping
[05:12] <paulproteus> vices: Apache.
[05:12] <Toba> vices: apache
[05:12] <LaserLine> paulproteus, Fujitsu Siemens S-4546 (P3-600, 256MB RAM, 10GB Hardrive, Intel440MX Chipset)
[05:12] <vices> !apache
[05:12] <ubotu> from memory, apache is Apache/PHP http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo/ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[05:12] <paulproteus> Hmm, a bit old.  I don't know for sure what to expect.  What's "a long time" for you?
[05:12] <LaserLine> paulproteus, more then 3 minutes, or me refreshing the gnome panel...
[05:13] <Nalioth> LaserLine: that is definitely not right
[05:13] <LaserLine> paulproteus, yesterday all was good but my HD crashed terrible so i had to wipe everything etc... the only change i did was disable PNP BIOS, maybe I should enable it ?
[05:13] <lunitik> LaserLine: iir GNOME 2.12 had some work done on that...
[05:13] <paulproteus> LaserLine: Yes.
[05:13] <paulproteus> Enable PnP BIOS.
[05:14] <LaserLine> paulproteus, I get confused. what does that setting say anyway, Linux isn't a PNP OS...
[05:14] <paulproteus> LaserLine: Linux is *too* a Plug-and-Play OS. :)
[05:14] <LaserLine> paulproteus, I like linux...it's nice :D
[05:14] <paulproteus> LaserLine: Linux back in, like, 1997 wasn't.  But things have changed since then.
[05:15] <tommae> anyone of u know a cd where i can boot from and make some hardware tests like prime95?
[05:15] <paulproteus> LaserLine: PnP is about the way some low-level stuff works, not about the user experience. :)
[05:15] <LaserLine> paulproteus, yeah, I read a document about it the other day...
[05:15] <Nalioth> tommae: ultimate boot cd (at sourceforge.net)
[05:15] <paulproteus> tommae: You could boot the Ubuntu Live CD, download CPU Burn-in, and run that.
[05:15] <lunitik> paulproteus: you sure Linux likes that setting? I know it certainly didn't used to like it... I thought it makes udev/hotplug/etc mad>
[05:15] <lunitik> ?*
[05:15] <ThreeDayMonk> before PnP, you had to set all those IRQs and INTs manually on each card...
[05:15] <frank23> tommae: the ultimate boot cd has some hardware tests
[05:15] <tommae> oki i`l try thx all
[05:15] <paulproteus> lunitik: I think it's the current modern recommendation.
[05:16] <paulproteus> lunitik: I certainly enable it on all the machines I run.
[05:16] <paulproteus> Not that that really means anything. :)
[05:16] <qt2> okay, tthat's VERY strange, anything coming out of esound is skippy and like, double speed. <.<;
[05:16] <tommae> any clue where i can download it?
[05:17] <paulproteus> tommae: What, the Ubuntu Live CD?  Or ultimate boot CD?
[05:17] <paulproteus> Just google either.  You'll be fine.
[05:17] <tommae> ultimate
[05:17] <frank23> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[05:17] <tommae> i have the ubuntu live version
[05:17] <furic> Is there a simple way to make qt applications take their colours from gnome other than manually copying them in?
[05:17] <LaserLine> Guys, I'll tell you in a few seconds....Going to reboot the laptop - wish me luck:D
[05:18] <lunitik> furic: other way around is possible... apt-cache show gtk2-engines-qt-gtk
[05:18] <qt2> might someone post up the defaut /etc/esound/esd.conf for me somewhere?
[05:18] <furic> I know that i want it my way
[05:19] <lunitik> furic: umm... apt-cache show gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[05:19] <lunitik>  ... but yeah...
[05:19] <lunitik> furic: then code it?
[05:20] <LaserLine> Yesterday I recieved the following error in /var/log/syslog "{hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}" - Now after lowlevel formatting it and wiping everything including 5 bad sector test with UBCD, which all said my drive is healty I reinstalled Ubuntu, and don't see that error anymore... WOOHOO :D
[05:20] <lunitik> furic: GTK-Qt was hacked together by a bored guy on a plane to a conference... said it took about 10 mins to get it functional for him... have a go at it yourself  :/
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> found what i was looking for with xnest  i need -query not --query :)
[05:21] <furic> I am not a desktop developer, i have no knowlage of any language with the suitable bindings...
[05:21] <lunitik> Kamping_Kaiser: ouch... heh
[05:22] <lunitik> furic: guess you're sol then
[05:22] <furic> and gtk-qt is crap, people have been working on it for like a year now and its still crap. :\
[05:22] <LaserLine> I have a question about Distro Upgrades.... If I follow the ubuntuguide.org all the way (including soundcard issues with gnome and alsa) after upgrading through "apt-get upgrade distro" everything will work ?  or is it better to reinstall the whole thing (uhh) ?
[05:22] <lunitik> furic: in future however, please set things a little more politely that "I know that i want it my way"... makes you seem like an elementary school student
[05:23] <lunitik> furic: do better.
[05:23] <Nalioth> LaserLine: in the future, dont read ubuntuguide (it can lead you astray)
[05:24] <LaserLine> Nalioth what do you mean ?
[05:24] <furic> I have a fair idea of everything id have to write and i dont have enough time to learn another language and develop something so massive.
[05:24] <Nalioth> LaserLine: you'll never have to "reinstall" again (unless you catastrophically "learn" something)
[05:24] <fubry> i've got to find a good guide on configure networking to use in two (or more) diferent envoirments (one use 802.1x and dhcp, other has static ip, ohters use simple dhcp,etc...) anyone knows where can i find it?
[05:25] <jatos> anybody here who knows a LOT about linux
[05:25] <LaserLine> paulproteus - you the man !!! it works now !
[05:25] <LaserLine> paulproteus and the battery time/precentage is accurate too...
[05:25] <lunitik> fubry: man interfaces  ...
[05:25] <nerdy2> jatos, you may be better off just asking your question
[05:26] <neighborlee> hi people..for some reason even though I AM registered with nickserv..I keep getting shuffled into #ubuntu-unregged when I first login via xchat..whats causing this ???
[05:26] <LaserLine> Nalioth, but i didn't understand how your answer, answers my question :-/
[05:26] <jatos> right,,, I need to know, is there any way of getting shell commands executed before the system looks at symlinks
[05:26] <Nalioth> jatos: collectively WE know all there is to know
[05:26] <paulproteus> LaserLine: Glad to hear it. :)
[05:27] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the u'guide is great for experienced *nix users (who know what the commands do and the pros/cons of using them)
[05:27] <brenner> neighborlee: i get the same problem
[05:27] <lunitik> neighborlee: X-Chat > Server list > Select Ubuntu Servers, and hit 'Edit...'... here... where it says 'nickserv password'... type your password...
[05:27] <jatos> ok, its just I want todo something rather complicated and I need to shell commands before the symlinks todo it
[05:27] <vices> what's the proper way to search for a file in an uncertain directory?
[05:27] <neighborlee> brenner, exactly same here..know whats causing it to still bump us into that darn unregged channel ?
[05:27] <Nalioth> LaserLine: but new *nix users have little experience with the commands in the guide, and usually end up in here needing help to fix their boxen
[05:27] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I learned alot using that guide.... I 'man' every command before using it.
[05:27] <unvs> what's the name of that tool to convert rpm to deb?
[05:27] <neighborlee> unvs, alien
[05:27] <lunitik> neighborlee: close X-Chat once after making the change to ensure it writes this to the config file...
[05:28] <Nalioth> LaserLine: good man!
[05:28] <unvs> neighborlee: thanks
[05:28] <neighborlee> lunitik, i've already got that connect command in place
[05:28] <vices> find */*/file ?
[05:28] <neighborlee> unvs, np
[05:28] <jkrogh> How do I change the language, that the system has obtained durint installation?
[05:28] <akaihola> Problems with XEmacs, unicode UTF-8 and the euro sign. Anyone got it working correctly?
[05:28] <Nalioth> LaserLine: but still, some of the stuff there is not too good (even if you read the manpage)
[05:28] <lunitik> neighborlee: strange... although i haven't logged in in about a day... didn't happen to me...
[05:28] <lunitik> *goes to check*
[05:29] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I didn't break my system, the problem was that this laptop's harddrive was never wiped. It was fat with Win98SE preinstalled, after that NTFS with XP, and then EXT3, probably got mixed up, so now i'm setting everything out.
[05:29] <brenner> neighborlee: i've been told that the join command is faster than identify. :)
[05:29] <akaihola> lunitik: maybe X-Chat auto-joins channels before password authentication? Happens for me too.
[05:29] <brenner> akaihola: hit the nail on the head
[05:29] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I only used the sound troubleshooting, and added me as a sudo'er... and followed what packages of software i liked, and installed.
[05:29] <neighborlee> lunitik,  oh wait indeed I dont have anything in 'nickserv password'..I just have a entry in 'connect command' but I figured that was enough..HMM my bad then
[05:29] <lunitik> Hmm... worked here...
[05:29] <unvs> neighborlee: is alien "safe" to use, or are there risks involved?
[05:30] <neighborlee> lunitik, I thought thats what the connect command was for...err it seemed to make sense anyway ;(
[05:30] <lunitik> unvs: it is safe...
[05:30] <Nalioth> unvs: alien is as safe as the packages you're installing
[05:30] <akaihola> I managed to make my xemacs-21.4.17 understand and edit UTF-8 files. Only the Euro sign does not work. XEmacs changes all unicode euro signs to question marks, and the euro sign I can type in XEmacs shows as a diamond with question mark inside in other applications.
[05:30] <unvs> great. thanks :)
[05:30] <neighborlee> unvs, no risks that im aware of but its not perfect science either I dont think..just be careful and watch for errors
[05:30] <lunitik> neighborlee: here... connect command issues /umode +CE   :)
[05:30] <neighborlee> yeah safe as packages
[05:31] <neighborlee> lunitik, I dont think that command is necsssary anymore..the /umode +E is built into freenode now impretty sure
[05:31] <brenner> neighborlee, lunitik : i have my nickserv entered...still get sent to unregged
[05:31] <brenner> is unregged even needed anymore?
[05:31] <brenner> ack, stupid question
[05:31] <Nalioth> brenner: is your client scripted to identify?
[05:31] <lunitik> brenner: in "Nickserv password"?  Cuz it doesn't happen to me...
[05:31] <brenner> but i thought it was created b/c of the bot attacks
[05:32] <lunitik> brenner: If we go back to how things were a few days ago.. likely it would all start again...
[05:32] <brenner> Nalioth: xchat lets you enter a nickserv pswd
[05:32] <neighborlee> brenner, faik thats why..so  I dont think unregged is needed anymore correct
[05:32] <akaihola> unvs: at least the openoffice 2 latest beta dowload and install scripts use alien successfully, see http://hal9000.eui.upm.es/~zlinx/files/linux/ooinstaller
[05:32] <Nalioth> brenner: then it's not giving it fast enough to nickserv for you to avoid purgatory
[05:32] <brenner> lunitik: what about that umode stuff? wasn't that the real fix?
[05:33] <brenner> Nalioth: exactly
[05:33] <brenner> xchat's fault i guess
[05:33] <neighborlee> brenner, yes the /umode fix IS in place in the new freenode server
[05:33] <neighborlee> amoung other things
[05:33] <brenner> b/c i _do_ get identified.....after i get dumped to unregged it seems. :)
[05:33] <lunitik> neighborlee: more correctly... the precautions taken have prevented us from being suseptable... they are doing there job...
[05:33] <Nalioth> brenner: use a real irc client, and script your join of channels until after you are ID'd
[05:33] <brenner> Nalioth: but i like xchat :)
[05:33] <lunitik> neighborlee: I doubt lilo has fixed the issue entirely though... these are simply work arounds....
[05:33] <neighborlee> lunitik, yes im just saying that /umode +E is built in n ow..unregged isn't needed is it ? faik anyway
[05:34] <Nalioth> brenner: then script it to slow down on the chan joins
[05:34] <lunitik> Nalioth: bah... my XChat is fine... XChat is a nice client!!
[05:34] <neighborlee> lunitik, could be..I understood the issue resolved but possibly not..shrug
[05:34] <brenner> lunitik: right on
[05:34] <Nalioth> lunitik: nothin wrong with xchat. my dog uses it
[05:34] <rrittenhouse> In ubuntu is there a "trigger" or an "event" that tells you when the network is down?
[05:34] <lunitik> neighborlee: you sure its built in? I don't recall a memo about that?
[05:34] <neighborlee> positive
[05:34] <neighborlee> I saw it in the memo
[05:35] <neighborlee> lemme make sure im not imagine things
[05:35] <lunitik> Nalioth: allows most scripting languages... decent autocompletion (although could be better) and sucks up less resources than irssi + gnome terminal  :/
[05:36] <imek> Hi all. Does anyone know how to get the amarok system tray icon working with gnome-panel?
[05:36] <Nalioth> lunitik: nothing wrong with it
[05:36] <Nalioth> lunitik: i'm just a diehard console jockey
[05:36] <dulac> I need to install the 3D drivers for my nVidia 5700... Those from nVidia do not accpt the kernel... I need help! Anyone?!?
[05:36] <brenner> !nvidia
[05:36] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:36] <lunitik> Nalioth: then "my dog uses it" and "use a real irc client" were unnecissary  ;)
[05:37] <dulac> lunitik: I'll try that
[05:37] <kamikazesponge> anyone know a good IRC-client?
[05:37] <Nalioth> lunitik: do a /whois nalioths_dog
[05:37] <dulac> Thanks!
[05:37] <lunitik> kamikazesponge: XChat, irssi, epic ... all quite nice...
[05:38] <brenner> what's gaim like?
[05:38] <Nalioth> lunitik: and brenner knows i am messin with him
[05:38] <kamikazesponge> i'm using Xchat now, but i'm not too content with it, and aren't irssi and epic console clients?
[05:38] <qt2> might someone post up the defaut /etc/esound/esd.conf for me somewhere?
[05:38] <Nalioth> brenner: a good multi protocol chat thing
[05:38] <lunitik> Nalioth: haha... wow
[05:38] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: correct
[05:38] <nerdy2> jatos, no,  why do you need that?
[05:38] <neighborlee> dainnn it..how do I enable myself to be able to post on freenode ??
[05:38] <lunitik> Nalioth: sorry man... I don't even think I've seen you in here before... don't know what you're like, and when you're being serious yet  :)
[05:38] <neighborlee> they have something blocking me
[05:39] <lunitik> brenner: for IRC? lacking
[05:39] <lunitik> brenner: its like anything... if you try to do everything, you do nothing peticularly well.
[05:39] <vices> so it's: find /*/file ?
[05:39] <brenner> guess 'cos it's more IM devoted ey?
[05:39] <Nalioth> neighborlee: you are posting on freenode now
[05:39] <carthik> neighborlee: then how are you "posting" now?
[05:39] <kamikazesponge> i have dualscreen in windows, but in ubuntu it uses only one screen. is there a package/option to turn on the second screen? (like dualscreen in windows)
[05:40] <Nalioth> kamikazesponge: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation has an article on dual displays
[05:40] <lunitik> kamikazesponge: look into Xinerama
[05:40] <neighborlee> Malioth not according to a announcement I get when I hit return
[05:40] <kamikazesponge> ok, thanks
[05:40] <neighborlee>  #freenode :Cannot send to channel < thats what I get when I hit return
[05:40] <Nalioth> neighborlee: be more specific. you are posting on freenode in this channel
[05:40] <Nalioth> ah you mean #freenode
[05:40] <neighborlee> well of course I mean #freenode
[05:40] <Nalioth> neighborlee: they went moderated during the bot attack
[05:41] <Nalioth> neighborlee: you left off the # b4
[05:41] <lunitik> neighborlee: you have to wait around until someone deems you have a real issue...
[05:41] <Nalioth> neighborlee: so go in and wait
[05:41] <neighborlee> thats so silly
[05:41] <lunitik> neighborlee: they've been like that forever... it usually takes like a day...
[05:41] <neighborlee> hmm
[05:41] <Nalioth> neighborlee: someone will +v you within a few minutes
[05:41] <neighborlee> okay
[05:42] <lunitik> Nalioth: I've rarely seen that actually...
[05:42] <lunitik> Nalioth: depends if someone is around...
[05:42] <Nalioth> lunitik: someone usually is in there
[05:43] <sedeki> does ubuntu use a font server?
[05:43] <neighborlee> well go fig..im still not getting +V ;-))..haha
[05:43] <lunitik> sedeki: no
[05:43] <sedeki> does it come with freetype?
[05:43] <lunitik> neighborlee: go back to it tomorrow  ;)
[05:43] <neighborlee> oh well...wait I shall keep doing
[05:43] <neighborlee> lunitik, lol or lat er today
[05:43] <vices> how do I kill a frozen open window?
[05:43] <lunitik> sedeki: yes... along with bitstream vera
[05:44] <LaserLine> checkinstall is based on what program ?
[05:44] <sedeki> vices xkill if you have it installed
[05:44] <brenner> vices: what app?
[05:44] <vices> emacs
[05:44] <sedeki> killall -9 emacs
[05:44] <neighborlee> vices, you can use  ps -ax in console (konsole?) or view it in the gui app which es capes me atm ....either way works
[05:44] <vices> oh thanks sedeki
[05:45] <neighborlee> ah ok I didn't see your post about which app it was sorry..
[05:45] <vices> i tried killall emacs but it didn't work?
[05:45] <neighborlee> anyway you know for future reference ;-))
[05:45] <vices> what's the 9 signify?
[05:45] <vices> thanks neighbor :)
[05:45] <sedeki> its the signal to send
[05:45] <sedeki> man killall
[05:45] <lunitik> vices: "I don't care if it breaks things, get it off my damn screen"
[05:45] <brc_> mooh
[05:45] <brenner> what's the -9 do?
[05:45] <neighborlee> vices, np
[05:45] <sedeki> which is terminate or similar
[05:45] <neighborlee> brc_, moo+
[05:45] <lunitik> brenner: ^
[05:46] <Nalioth> vices: when you click on the x to close it, a window should pop up after a while asking if you want to kill it
[05:46] <sedeki> brenner as I said, it is the signal to send.
[05:46] <vices> lunitik: yes, it's the windows in me
[05:46] <brc_> BEHOLD, for I  BRINGTH the SUPER MOO from ON HIGH
[05:46] <lunitik> vices: brenner: note that -9 should be a LAST resort... try pkill/killall on its own first... then -HUP... then -9
[05:47] <neighborlee> sedeki, that always did kinda make me wonder too..why doesn't just issueing killall yourapp do it instead of requiring -9 ?lol
[05:47] <brc_> how's breezy these days? safe to upgrade?
[05:47] <lunitik> brenner: system monitor issues killall by itself
[05:47] <brenner> lunitik: thanks for the quick tute
[05:47] <sedeki> neighborlee you can send different types of signals to an app.
[05:47] <neighborlee> lunitik, thx I was trying to think of system monitor LOL..geeeeeeez
[05:48] <sedeki> any wise linux guru who want's to create a site with me? msg me
[05:48] <kamikazesponge> !mp3
[05:48] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[05:48] <neighborlee> sedeki, ic..killall just seems pretty obious ;-))
[05:48] <brenner> manpage doesn't state what HUP or what signal numbers are though.... :-/ at least, i can't see it
[05:48] <neighborlee> sedeki, when Iget a  sec ill do man killall as im curious now <wink>
[05:48] <sedeki> neighborlee good idea.
[05:48] <lunitik> brenner: /searchitem
[05:48] <dabaR> hi
[05:49] <brc_> anybody know why breezy nightly netboot images aren't being built? http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[05:49] <brc_> none since the 12'th
[05:49] <brenner> lunitik: i did: Signals can be specified either by name (e.g. -HUP) or by number  (e.g. -1).
[05:49] <brenner> google it is then. :)
[05:49] <kamikazesponge> !multiverse
[05:49] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[05:49] <chrismy> hi all!
[05:49] <kamikazesponge> !repositories
[05:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:49] <unvs> ok one more question :) i have to compile it, cause the version supplied with ubuntu is too old for my client, and the alien conversion didn't work, so i remember someone telling me not to use "make install" but use another command instead. can't remember what it was :|
[05:50] <bob2> sedeki: if you're trying to create some sort of documentation site, please use wiki,ubuntu.com...
[05:50] <Nalioth> unvs: use "checkinstall"
[05:50] <unvs> Nalioth: that will install it as if it was a package right?
[05:50] <sedeki> bob2 i was thinking of a multimedia site
[05:51] <paulproteus> sedeki: Add it to the wiki, so all of us will know where to find it. :)
[05:51] <sedeki> paulproteus the site or the content?
[05:51] <paulproteus> sedeki: Put your content on the wiki.
[05:51] <dabaR> paulproteus: is it ubuntu related?
[05:52] <lunitik> sedeki: elaborate on 'multimedia' ... you mean downloadable music etc... or?  I'm not sure how this would relate to Ubuntu?
[05:52] <sedeki> lunitik no rather apps to play music, movies, games etc
[05:52] <paulproteus> I thought he meant how to view multimedia stuff.
[05:52] <sedeki> you thought right.
[05:52] <paulproteus> Something most Ubuntu users want to know.
[05:52] <paulproteus> Hence, wiki it. :)
[05:53] <brenner> unvs: it will make a deb file and install it for you iirc
[05:53] <lunitik> sedeki: oh... yup... listen to paulproteus :)
[05:53] <sedeki> well probably the best think to do. keepin' it real and centralized :)
[05:53] <lunitik> sedeki: although I'm not sure if you can put images up ... or how you'd go about doing that...
[05:53] <dabaR> sedeki: did you read the multimedia guide at the wiki?
[05:53] <paulproteus> lunitik: I think you can <img src> remote images if you have somewhere to host them.
[05:54] <sedeki> dabaR no i havn't
[05:54] <dabaR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[05:54] <Paradoxx> any1 here develop java programs?..if so, what app do you use create/compile etc? Im new to linux so i'm just trying to find something to replace my W$apps
[05:55] <paulproteus> Paradoxx: Eclipse is good for Java development.
[05:55] <sedeki> javaw is the compiler isn't it?
[05:55] <paulproteus> Paradoxx: Do !java to find out how to install the Sun JDK/JRE, and then get Eclipse from their website.
[05:55] <paulproteus> javac is the compiler.
[05:55] <Nalioth> unvs: checkinstall makes debs, yes.
[05:55] <Nalioth> unvs: they're not debian standard debs, but they will do for your local system maintenance
[05:55] <Paradoxx> paulproteus: i have the jdk...
[05:56] <paulproteus> Paradoxx: Okay, great.  Then get Eclipse; you'll hopefully like it. :)
[05:56] <lassesandberg> hey people
[05:56] <Paradoxx> but for example link on W$ i used a program seperate for my java dev
[05:56] <lassesandberg> can anyone help me?
[05:56] <Paradoxx> what is it exactly?
[05:56] <lassesandberg> i just got ubuntu, but how do i add my other harddrives?
[05:56] <paulproteus> It's very powerful; it has refactoring tools and syntax highlighting and tab completion, etc.
[05:56] <unvs> oh there's no gcc installed
[05:56] <unvs> !gcc
[05:56] <ubotu> unvs: What?
[05:56] <brenner> unvs: install build-essential
[05:56] <paulproteus> unvs: install build-essential
[05:56] <unvs> thanks :)
[05:57] <Paradoxx> nice
[05:57] <lassesandberg> i forgot to add mount points during installation
[05:57] <Nalioth> !tell lassesandberg about windowsdrives
[05:57] <Paradoxx> kk, i'll give i atry
[05:57] <brenner> Nalioth: what if they aren't windows drives? :)
[05:58] <dabaR> paulproteus: it has tab completion?
[05:58] <Nalioth> brenner: care to wager?
[05:58] <brenner> $50 is good
[05:58] <No1Viking> !tell me about windowsdrives
[05:59] <Toba> !tell me about wireless
[05:59] <paulproteus> dabaR: Eclipse?  Yeah.
[05:59] <dabaR> lassesandberg: nono, I dont think you can have that done during install. Do your other hard drives have windows on them?
[05:59] <paulproteus> dabaR: Eclipse is very good for Java development.
[05:59] <dabaR> paulproteus: so, tab finishes something for you?
[05:59] <dabaR> paulproteus: I use it. for school...
[05:59] <neighborlee> lunitik, okay just verified on freenode channel.../umode +E is now provided by default as I thought
[06:00] <paulproteus> dabaR: Right.  Like, methods for classes.
[06:00] <dabaR> weird, Ill try it now.
[06:00] <unvs> has anyone successfully compiled synergy 1.2.4 btw?
[06:00] <lassesandberg> the script fixed it, but it didnet add them to my computer folder in gnome?
[06:00] <Nalioth> neighborlee: too late, it's already scripted into my client
[06:00] <neighborlee> lol
[06:00] <Nalioth> lassesandberg: they'll be in /media
[06:01] <lassesandberg> yeah, but i want them in the computer folder :P
[06:01] <Nalioth> lassesandberg: symlink them
[06:01] <dabaR> paulproteus: I am not able to get ab completion here.
[06:01] <dabaR> t
[06:01] <lassesandberg> its not a folder. but its a thingy gnome has
[06:01] <paulproteus> dabaR: Hmm, I've only used it briefly, but I saw my friend get tab completion.  Maybe you should read the online docs, or something.
[06:02] <dabaR> Nalioth: also they will be in the computer folder.
[06:02] <dabaR> paulproteus: no, it is called code completion, and it does not bind to tab.
[06:02] <dabaR> afaik.
[06:02] <paulproteus> dabaR: Oh, okay, then that's what I meant.
[06:02] <Nalioth> dabaR: really? i've never run the script, (just helped seveas write it)
[06:02] <paulproteus> Sorry about the confusion.
[06:02] <dabaR> ok.
[06:02] <dabaR> no worries.
[06:02] <dabaR> Nalioth: ya, it turns out I tried it when I installed ubuntu for this one girl recently.
[06:03] <Nalioth> dabaR: i just helped seveas with the mac parts
[06:03] <dabaR> I guess under what is under /media shows up there.
[06:03] <dabaR> Nalioth: good stuff:)
[06:05] <dabaR> weird that they are not shown for him there...
[06:05] <brenner> Nalioth: winmac_fstab?  how come you weren't credited then?
[06:05] <dabaR> if you watch the credits carefully, him and his dog are credited;)
[06:05] <dabaR> right under the lighting crew
[06:05] <Nalioth> brenner: dunno, didnt do all that much on it
[06:06] <unvs> !synergy
[06:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, unvs
[06:06] <Paradoxx> !eclipse
[06:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, eclipse is to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[06:06] <brenner> dabaR: the makeup artists section? :)
[06:09] <Nalioth> brenner: if you're all that interested, you can ask seveas when he comes 'round
[06:09] <lassesandberg> how do i enable nvidia acceleration? i have installed nvidia glx, via synaptic
[06:09] <sedeki> lunitik where are freetypefonts located?
[06:09] <mjr> lassesandberg, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, restart X
[06:09] <lassesandberg> thanks
[06:10] <Nalioth> sedeki: you know you can use any truetype font you like, right?
[06:10] <sedeki> yes..
[06:10] <sedeki> which is basicly the windows fonts :)
[06:11] <brenner> Nalioth: i'm not gonna ask for you. :)  i was just curious.
[06:11] <dabaR> :)
[06:12] <h0sl3r> What are some fun free mmorpgs for linux, or any fun game for linux.
[06:12] <Nalioth> h0sl3r: abuse is one nice side-scroller
[06:12] <sedeki> h0sl3r check out www.linuxgames.com
[06:12] <h0sl3r> ok
[06:12] <BurgerMann> h0sl3r, http://happypenguin.org
[06:13] <sedeki> i remember getting CS1.5 to work with alinuxgames.com tutorial
[06:13] <h0sl3r> k
[06:13] <mjr> I don't think there are any (popular) mmorpgs for linux, though neverwinter nights is a nice morpg, and things like wow can be run in wine (might require tweaking, dunno)
[06:13] <chrismy> !pastebin
[06:13] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:13] <h0sl3r> sedeki: i got it to work too, but there are no good servers any more.
[06:14] <unvs> !breezy
[06:14] <ubotu> methinks breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[06:14] <sedeki> lassesandberg is it working?
[06:14] <LazykEY> Please someone, what's the password on the Ubuntu Live cd? I've locked the screen and I don't know what the pass is, I haven't changed any,
[06:14] <lassesandberg> nvidia-glx-config enable didnt work
[06:14] <mjr> lassesandberg, did you restart X or just logout/login?
[06:14] <Nalioth> LazykEY: there is no pwd
[06:14] <LazykEY> but it says there is
[06:14] <LazykEY> I can't get away from the lock screen
[06:14] <lassesandberg> logged out and in, should i restart?
[06:15] <dabaR> LazykEY: you can always restart X I think.
[06:15] <sedeki> lassesandberg press ctrl+alt+backspace and you'll restart
[06:15] <lassesandberg> ok, i'll try that now
[06:15] <mjr> lassesandberg, ...yeah, what sedeki said
[06:15] <brenner> LazykEY: tried just pressing enter? i.e. no pswd
[06:15] <LazykEY> I can't even press a key, the whole screen is locked, it needs a password
[06:15] <LazykEY> yepp
[06:16] <unvs> there was a rather elegant way of switching out hoary with breezy in the sources.list, anyone remember? :)
[06:16] <dabaR> tried ubuntu?:)
[06:16] <LazykEY> it says Login Cancelled when I don't type anything in, and press Enter
[06:16] <LazykEY> and the screensaver continues
[06:17] <dabaR> !upgrade2breezy
[06:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[06:17] <dabaR> dont do it.
[06:17] <Nalioth> unvs: breezy now is still not ready for production machines
[06:17] <LazykEY> someone knows how to fix my problem?
[06:18] <Nalioth> LazykEY: ctrl-alt-backspace didnt work?
[06:18] <Paradoxx> LazykEY:  just restart...unless you were doing somthing of great importace
[06:18] <unvs> no, just wanted to upgrade libc from the breezy repositories
[06:19] <Nalioth> unvs: you've read the warnings, you have the factoid from ubotu
[06:19] <LazykEY> Nalioth: thanks, that looked to help
[06:19] <dabaR> nono, Nalioth he just ones one package...
[06:19] <brenner> how exactly do you post a screenshot to a pastebin? :-/
[06:19] <dabaR> sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:19] <brenner> (reading off the 'pastebin' trigger)
[06:19] <dabaR> that will replace hoary with breezy.
[06:19] <Nalioth> dabaR: his "one package" will break hoary
[06:20] <dabaR> prolly
[06:21] <unvs> hm
[06:21] <sexcopter8000m> hi, what should i use to copy an audio cd?
[06:21] <expense> what ftp server do you guys recommend?
[06:22] <dabaR> expense: vsftpd
[06:22] <unvs> it is regarding -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17665&highlight=synergy
[06:22] <Nalioth> sexcopter8000m: lots of programs will copy cds
[06:22] <AndyR> sexcopter8000m, i used k3b
[06:22] <Nalioth> sexcopter8000m: k3b will do it
[06:22] <expense> dabaR: i tried that but for some reason it'll only let me login and not other users i created
[06:22] <unvs> someone there had installed libc6 and synergy from the breezy repositories
[06:23] <Nalioth> unvs: have you tried to compile it?
[06:23] <Nalioth> !info synergy
[06:23] <ubotu> synergy: (Share mouse and keyboard over the network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.14-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 347 kB, Installed size: 852 kB
[06:23] <unvs> Nalioth: yeah
[06:23] <Nalioth> unvs: you can have apt build it for you
[06:23] <unvs> Nalioth: that version is really old
[06:23] <sexcopter8000m> Nalioth and AndyR: ty :)
[06:24] <unvs> I get errors in ./configure
[06:26] <unvs> checking for X... no
[06:26] <unvs> that can't be right
[06:27] <paulproteus> unvs: You have to install the X development libraries.
[06:27] <Nalioth> unvs: you need xlibs-dev
[06:27] <paulproteus> x-dev , i think.
[06:27] <paulproteus> unvs: What you need to know is that it's two separate things to (1) be able to run programs that have been compiled against a library, and (2) to be able to *compile* things against that library yourself.
[06:29] <unvs> so they compile the libraries *into* the binary?
[06:29] <rodietze> yo dudes
[06:29] <paulproteus> unvs: They use the development files to figure out how to create binaries that correctly use the libraries.
[06:29] <unvs> paulproteus: ah, i see
[06:30] <erchache> has anybody a hp dl145 g2?
[06:30] <rodietze> just a lil doubt, why can't I change the libx11-dev in my ubuntu to one suitable for gtk2.0?
[06:30] <erchache> with ubuntu amd64 inside?
[06:30] <erchache> has anybody a hp dl145 g2?
[06:30] <erchache> with ubuntu amd64 inside?
[06:30] <rodietze> I simple can't install gtk2.o! and consequantly can't install beep-media-player
[06:30] <Nalioth> erchache: no repeating please
[06:31] <lunitik> rodietze: sudo apt-get install totem-xine ... then try
[06:31] <lunitik> rodietze: breezy I assume?  :)
[06:31] <rodietze> hoary
[06:31] <lunitik> nm then
[06:32] <erchache> breez is now stable? if not on which percent?
[06:32] <dabaR> 67
[06:32] <Nalioth> !tell erchache about breezy
[06:32] <lunitik> erchache: they are preparing for preview....
[06:32] <Nalioth> dabaR: :\
[06:32] <erchache> when?
[06:32] <rodietze> well, the fact is that I  don't have internet at home, and there I hvae debian-sarge cds, and ubuntu/kubuntu cds
[06:32] <dabaR> Nalioth: well, what percent...
[06:32] <Ichanz> hai....
[06:32] <lunitik> erchache: coming from someone thats using it... about 85% done probably...
[06:32] <erchache> i have a hp dl145 g2 and ubuntu amd64 doesnt recognize all hardware
[06:32] <erchache> ok...
[06:32] <lunitik> dabaR: you're not using Breezy huh?
[06:33] <dabaR> nope
[06:33] <Nalioth> dabaR: they are approaching software freeze, so near %100
[06:33] <lunitik> dabaR: then why comment on its stability?
[06:33] <eob84> Anyone know of any good deb package generators?
[06:33] <eob84> pref. on with a GUI
[06:33] <eob84> one*
[06:33] <dabaR> his question begged for a random number generator.
[06:33] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:33] <Nalioth> eob84: gui deb makers, i dont know of any
[06:33] <eob84> Nalioth: any automaters?
[06:34] <Nalioth> eob84: there's console 'checkinstall' or dpkg-buildpkg
[06:34] <rodietze> but I don't know why can't I install gtk2.0 there,synaptic tells me that I have to install some libx11 .... and libx6-... but when I try to install these I get an error telling me that the verion of libx is uncompatible
[06:34] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:34] <Nalioth> rodietze: are you using unofficial repositories?
[06:35] <eob84> Nalioth can you recomend a tutorial site?
[06:36] <rodietze> uhmm yes
[06:36] <dabaR> eob84: what are you trying to do.
[06:36] <rodietze> maybe coz when I've installed ubuntu I used some debian cds too :s
[06:36] <Nalioth> eob84: debian.org and see the left side re developers
[06:36] <Nalioth> rodietze: that is why
[06:36] <eob84> Nalioth k I'll check it out... thanx
[06:37] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:37] <Ichanz> thx b4
[06:37] <apokryphos> eob84: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[06:37] <rodietze> Nalioth hey dude thanks a lot, soI must install Ubuntu and just use Ubuntu repositories?
[06:38] <eob84> dabaR there are a lot of programs that I want
[06:38] <eob84> dabaR but they don't have deb packages
[06:39] <Nalioth> rodietze: for the least trouble, yes (some debian pkgs WILL break your ubuntu)
[06:39] <eob84> debaR I don't wan't to just do a make install
[06:39] <unvs> hah it actually worked. thank you Nalioth and paulproteus !
[06:39] <Nalioth> eob84: do you have all your repos enabled?
[06:39] <Ichanz> thx b4
[06:39] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:39] <erchache> uhmmm im triying to compile on a opteron amd64 kernel 2.6.13 from tgz of kernel.org and fails
[06:39] <eob84> Nalioth universe and multiverse
[06:39] <rodietze> ok dudes thanks!
[06:39] <erchache> and when reboot on 2.6.11-1 ubuntu amd64 kernel....modules are from 2.6.13 :-S
[06:39] <Nalioth> eob84: i may have something for ya
[06:39] <dabaR> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3757878430.html
[06:40] <Digis> hey, I have fresh breezy and soundcard emu10k1, card is detected, and I have no sound
[06:40] <Nalioth> eob84: here ya go, read this http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/article.html
[06:40] <eob84> Nalioth k
[06:40] <Nalioth> brb
[06:42] <dabaR> eob84:  A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx
[06:42] <dabaR>              /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for
[06:42] <dabaR>              magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar
[06:42] <dabaR> sorry
[06:42] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:42] <Rug> Howdy all
[06:42] <Ichanz> HELP!!!!!
[06:42] <Ichanz> i've installed ubuntu... how share it into network... i've installed samba but still doesnt exist on the other pc
[06:43] <paulproteus> unvs: Glad to help. :)
[06:43] <paulproteus> unvs: GNU/Linux is a very reasonable system.  With the right things in place, it should work.
[06:43] <sedeki> Digis Did you check mixer channels? They are most probably 0% if you just installedi t.
[06:44] <unvs> paulproteus: Well, it seems it has changed alot since I last used it (5 years ago) :D
[06:44] <Digis> sedeki, I just fixed this problem: chmod o+rw /dev/snd/controlC0, and change beep-media-player output, to oss
[06:44] <sedeki> oh well. you dont have alsa support?
[06:45] <sedeki> or do you use oss emulation?
[06:45] <apokryphos> Ichanz: please don't shout; it's spammy.
[06:45] <Digis> sedeki I guess I dont have alsa support now :(, but alsa isnt working, modules are loaded, card detected,  but no sun, mixers arent at 0, they are at 80 percents
[06:46] <Digis> *sound
[06:46] <dabaR> see ya
[06:46] <wolfpac> Hi.
[06:46] <mirak> hi
[06:46] <mirak> I have a problem with ubuntu ppc
[06:47] <mirak> the module cmd646 MUST be builded inside the kernel
[06:47] <mirak> otherwise b&w G3 won't boot because they will not initialise the ide harddrive
[06:48] <chrismy> hi all
[06:48] <WolfPac_Ite> Is it possible to switch in between Ubuntu and Windows, while not closing out either one?
[06:48] <Determinist> any of you guys use nvu?
[06:48] <Digis> sedeki well I loaded emu10k1.ko, oss driver, cause alsa isnt working
[06:48] <osfameron> anyone know how I can detach a running process from the terminal
[06:49] <osfameron> (I didn't run it in screen and I now want to go home :-)
[06:49] <Rug>  WolfPac_Ite ;  Sure if you use VMWare
[06:49] <WolfPac_Ite> OK.
[06:49] <WolfPac_Ite> I'll check that out, thanks.
[06:49] <Nalioth> Ichanz: if nobody answers you, nobody knows at the moment. ask later
[06:50] <erchache> its very strange
[06:50] <mirak> WolfPac_Ite: yes, it is possible with colinux
[06:50] <erchache> now reboot kernel 2.6.13 for amd64 good
[06:50] <mirak> WolfPac_Ite:  google colinux
[06:50] <erchache> but iptables says gcc smp arent allowed...
[06:50] <erchache> i never compile iptables for smp :-S
[06:50] <Nalioth> mirak: that is interesting. does the ubuntu ppc liveCD work?
[06:50] <WolfPac_Ite> Ok.
[06:51] <Rug> This is probably the wrong channel to ask this, but if somebody could nudge me in the right direction....  Does anybody know of a PDF password remover for linux?
[06:52] <mirak> Nalioth: I don't know, but this cmd646 problem is dating
[06:52] <Rug> P3L|C4N0: Hiya
[06:52] <Nalioth> Rug: you are correct, we don't deal with that sort of thing in here
[06:52] <Nalioth> Rug: but Uncle Google answers all sorts of questions
[06:53] <Rug> ok, sorry to bother, just asking for a nudge.   Thanks anyway
[06:53] <Nalioth> mirak: try a PPC livecd
[06:53] <mirak> Nalioth: there is also a problem with device name swapping because there is two ide controlers on this mac, so the first one loaded got the firsst letter. in my case, root is on /dev/hdc
[06:53] <mirak> Nalioth: what is the interest ?
[06:53] <Nalioth> mirak: it shouldnt matter where root is
[06:53] <Rug> Google is _too_ helpfull.  =)
[06:53] <Nalioth> mirak: i like to think of myself as a resident ppc helpmate
[06:54] <Phoenixfury> Hello everyone!
[06:54] <romulo> hi, is xorg broken on breezy?
[06:54] <chrismy> goodday
[06:54] <jorgp> was for me
[06:54] <romulo> and xkbcomp
[06:54] <chrismy> hi Phoenixfury
[06:54] <apokryphos> romulo: on-and-off. Depends on your setup, too.
[06:54] <mirak> Nalioth: actually I can't try it since the G3 is at my  parents home
[06:55] <mirak> I can only acces it remotely
[06:55] <Phoenixfury> Does anyone have any experience getting Ubuntu working with a Nvidia 6600 GT PCIe graphics card?  No matter what resolution I choose, my display is a mess.
[06:55] <Phoenixfury> Hello Chrismy.  :-)
[06:55] <mirak> Nalioth: I forgot to say the problem is on breezy new kernels
[06:55] <chrismy> :p
[06:55] <Uthini> !HID
[06:55] <ubotu> Uthini: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:55] <Nalioth> mirak: ah. well i can't help you much with that
[06:56] <Uthini> !wacom
[06:56] <ubotu> Uthini: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:56] <jatos> hi
[06:56] <jatos> what program does ubuntu use for networking?
[06:56] <mirak> Nalioth: in fact I don't remember if I recompiled the kernel on hoary
[06:56] <jatos> and would work on a non-debian system
[06:56] <Nalioth> mirak: well, breezy isnt finished quite yet
[06:57] <Phoenixfury> Is there any shortcut at boot I can use to get Ubuntu to boot a standard Nvidia board?
[06:57] <mirak> Nalioth: yes but this is the kind of thing you need to have the hardware to detect the bug :)
[06:57] <Davey> Phoenixfury, it should be able to do that right out of the box....
[06:58] <Nalioth> mirak: and PPC hardware is in short supply in the ubuntu developers stable
[06:58] <Phoenixfury> I wish that was so Davey..  However when I boot the Live cd, I eventually get a screen to select which screen resolution I want to use.  No matter what I select I get a very unreadable screen of lines.
[06:59] <Davey> Hrm, odd, :/
[06:59] <Phoenixfury> I don't know if this has anything to do with me running PCIe or not.
[06:59] <Nalioth> Phoenixfury: do you have to have the hardware support of your card?
[07:00] <Phoenixfury> Nalioth, not sure what you mean.
[07:00] <Phoenixfury> Don't mind me, I hadn't had my coffee yet.
[07:00] <Nalioth> Phoenixfury: you can try the VESA driver and see if you can get a screen up
[07:00] <sedeki> i haven't eaten in 10 hours
[07:01] <Phoenixfury> Nalioth, how do I access the VESA driver?
[07:02] <Nalioth> Phoenixfury: open a terminal, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose VESA when you get to the "drivers" selection
[07:02] <apokryphos> Or you can put it into your xorg.conf
[07:02] <apokryphos> the dpkg might be safer, as it'll set up other things properly, too.
[07:03] <Phoenixfury> Can I do this at the boot prompt that first comes up?  I can't see anything in Xwindows, that's the problem..  The second a GUI comes up, my display is gone.
[07:03] <Nalioth> Phoenixfury: yes, it can be done from any console
[07:03] <ompaul> Phoenixfury, ctrl-alt-F1 will bring you back to a console
[07:04] <Nalioth> Phoenixfury: actually, let your machine boot to scarble, and hit ctrl-alt-f3 for a console
[07:04] <Phoenixfury> Gotcha
[07:04] <Phoenixfury> I hadn't thought of that.
[07:05] <Phoenixfury> I just don't understand what's different because I can boot up Knoppix no problem.
[07:05] <ompaul> Phoenixfury, and if you want to move from one console to another use Alt+direction_arrow
[07:05] <ompaul> just in case you wanted to kill off the process or some such
[07:06] <JLogik> hey i am looking to put ubunto on a lappy.  anyone have suggestions on vendors to stick to??
[07:07] <Phoenixfury> Thankyou guys.  You have been a huge help!  I'll certainly give this a try.  Is there anyway I can submit a trouble ticket for my problem?
[07:07] <redguy> JLogik: IBM has good support I heard
[07:07] <Nalioth> JLogik: a nice old apple laptop with standard airport card (not airport extreme)
[07:07] <Phoenixfury> Hopefully this is something that can be ironed out eventually.
[07:08] <Chadza> JLogik, ubuntu works great with my Acer, it doesn't recognize the flash pcmia slot though.
[07:09] <Phoenixfury> Thanks guys.  You all take care.
[07:11] <cheesie> hi
[07:11] <cheesie> how can i edit sources.list on ubuntu
[07:11] <Nalioth> !tell cheesie about repos
[07:12] <cheesie> ? Nalioth
[07:12] <Cyber-shot> hello all
[07:12] <Cyber-shot> how to open *.ram file in ubuntu
[07:12] <Cyber-shot> what player need to install?
[07:12] <ompaul> cheesie, you asked about howto edit sources and he gave you a reference to what you need to do
[07:12] <Nalioth> !tell Cyber-shot about realplayer
[07:12] <cheesie> ah kk
[07:13] <ramah> this is a kinda silly question but when I install a program with the package manager.. is there a default save location? it doesn't seem to create icons
[07:13] <ramah> or is it program to program?
[07:13] <Ng> ramah: depends on the program, but sometimes you need to log out and back in before new menu icons appear
[07:13] <ramah> Ng: Thanks
[07:13] <Cyber-shot> i can't open *.ram file in linux
[07:13] <Nalioth> ramah: some proggys dont have icons, they run in console
[07:13] <Cyber-shot> how i need to do?
[07:14] <Nalioth> ramah: some proggys takes a logout/login for their icons to show in the menu
[07:14] <Cyber-shot> do u  know Nalioth ?
[07:14] <ompaul> !realplay
[07:14] <ubotu> ompaul: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[07:14] <ompaul> !realplayer
[07:14] <Nalioth> Cyber-shot: you need to check you private msgs
[07:14] <ubotu> it has been said that realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <v1ru5> Cyber-shot: isn't it a RM format?
[07:14] <v1ru5> yah
[07:14] <v1ru5> Cyber-shot: install realplayer
[07:14] <Cyber-shot> i did
[07:14] <Cyber-shot> i installed real player 10
[07:14] <v1ru5> check that url
[07:14] <Cyber-shot> but
[07:14] <Cyber-shot> it can't open
[07:15] <Nalioth> Cyber-shot: then i'm not sure what you can do
[07:15] <Cyber-shot> yea
[07:15] <Cyber-shot> thanks
[07:15] <Cyber-shot> i installed realplayer 10 but
[07:15] <ompaul> Cyber-shot, did you do it the way that was pointed to by ubotu?
[07:15] <Cyber-shot> now i can't still open
[07:16] <abarbaccia> i have an mp3 player that i want to be consistant with my music collection - what should i use to keep it up to date?
[07:16] <theeil> what's the best program to use for a mail server?
[07:16] <Cyber-shot> no
[07:16] <ompaul> Cyber-shot, that is the way it is done on Ubuntu, may I suggest you do that
[07:16] <v1ru5> Cyber-shot: DUDE, CHECK THE URL!
[07:17] <Cyber-shot> yea
[07:17] <Cyber-shot> i check now
[07:17] <vices> how do I enable writing to a file?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> vices: chmod u+w <file>
[07:18] <thoreauputic> for your user
[07:18] <Cyber-shot> thanks all
[07:18] <ompaul> vices, as a matter of interest what file are you trying to write to?
[07:18] <vices> so how would i do something like: emacs file u+w ?
[07:18] <vices> an apache config file
[07:18] <ompaul> vices, sudo emacs filename
[07:19] <theeil> the file is owned by root
[07:19] <thoreauputic> vices: you don't normally chmod files outside your home directory, without good reasons
[07:19] <vices> why not?
[07:19] <theeil> vices: if you really need to edit it a lot, chown yourusername
[07:20] <Nalioth> vices: cuz you can break your system by writing to files that don't belong to you
[07:20] <theeil> chown <user> <file>
[07:20] <ompaul> vices, see what Nalioth said, well there is no better way to put it
[07:20] <vices> how do i "break my system" ?
[07:20] <ompaul> vices, things might not run
[07:20] <vices> um..
[07:21] <ompaul> vices, tell you what you break it and then ask us what the premissions should be
[07:21] <thoreauputic> vices: permissions are usually there for good reasons :)
[07:21] <ompaul> vices, or better still keep a list of every thing you change so we can't go 'told ya so :)'
[07:21] <vices> don't permissions exist to keep other people from editing the files i want edited? ;)
[07:22] <theeil> if you mess around, some other service may not be able to open it
[07:22] <ompaul> vices, the correct user or program should edit a file, its very simple :)
[07:22] <theeil> so just use that user
[07:22] <rekrutacja> hi all
[07:23] <rekrutacja> i need your help with 2.6.13 kernel...
[07:23] <ompaul> visudo would be a bad file to give to a particular user,  I think that is a very good example
[07:24] <rekrutacja> c
[07:25] <jefis> how to disable boot scripts on startup like 0dns-down and time synchroning?
[07:25] <rekrutacja> do you know why it make and make install nicely but during boot creates kernel panic?
[07:27] <NoUse> rekrutacja we could narrow a kernel panic down to about a million possibilites from that
[07:27] <NoUse> rekrutacja any reason you need a custom built kernel on ubuntu?
[07:28] <jefis> how to disable boot scripts on startup like 0dns-down and time synchroning?
[07:29] <rob_p> jefis:  use update-rc.d to remove the symbolic links from the appropriate run levels
[07:29] <rekrutacja> nouse toshiba libretto l5w - i really need suspend to ram _or_ suspend to disk
[07:29] <jefis> how?:)
[07:29] <Ichanz> how to make a linked folder
[07:30] <rob_p> jefis:  at the command do something like, "update-rc.d -f whatever_script.sh remove"
[07:30] <jefis> hmm
[07:30] <theeil> Ichanz: soft link
[07:30] <jefis> rob_p: what is scripts name that checks "0dns-down" and time synchoning with ubuntulinux.org
[07:30] <Nalioth> Ichanz: symlink (in a terminal, type "man ln"
[07:30] <rob_p> jefis:  That will remove it from all of the run levels.
[07:31] <rob_p> jefis:  I think that would be dns-clean
[07:31] <cheesie> how do i edit source.list ?
[07:31] <jefis> right
[07:31] <jefis> and with time?
[07:31] <cheesie> !tell cheesie LimeWire
[07:31] <Nalioth> cheesie: with any text editor
[07:31] <cheesie> Nalioth whats the link again
[07:31] <cheesie> i lost it
[07:32] <Nalioth> !tell cheesie about repos
[07:32] <cheesie> Nalioth whats the address to the page that tell u how to install lime wire, adobe reader and skype etc.?
[07:32] <apokryphos> cheesie: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:32] <ThreeDayMonk> Is there a package of postgresql 8.0 anywhere?
[07:32] <rob_p> jefis:  and the time sync happens with ntpdate... I think.  I use ntp-server but I think the default is ntpdate.
[07:33] <jefis> yes
[07:33] <jefis> by the way, how to get  kernel source?
[07:33] <rekrutacja> NoUse i compiled it with make oldconfig, during boot it says Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on or something very similar :-)
[07:33] <dducko> Amyone know what I need to do so that Firefox has audio?  I have it elseware, just not in FF and a game.
[07:33] <rekrutacja> jefis kernel.org
[07:33] <ThreeDayMonk> dducko: sadly, I do :-)  I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide
[07:34] <jefis> em
[07:34] <jefis> is anyway with apt-get ?
[07:34] <rekrutacja> jefis sorry don't know
[07:34] <ThreeDayMonk> dducko: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:34] <Nalioth> dducko: wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:35] <Nalioth> ThreeDayMonk: please dont do that
[07:35] <dducko> ok thanks
[07:35] <vices> how do i stop apache?
[07:35] <ThreeDayMonk> Nalioth: please tell me what that is
[07:35] <apokryphos> jefis: yes, apt for it.
[07:35] <jefis> how?
[07:35] <apokryphos> jefis: apt-cache search kernel-source
[07:35] <NoUse> rekrutacja you need make sure you have the module for your root filesystem
[07:35] <apokryphos> (that'll produce the available ones)
[07:35] <jefis> ok, i will try it later
[07:36] <apokryphos> jefis: you will want to get the one that's specific to your kernel
[07:36] <rob_p> jefis:  probably apt-get install linux-source-2.x.x or something similar...  just do a, "apt-cache search kernel-source" and you should be able to find what you need.
[07:36] <Paradoxx> !eclipse
[07:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, eclipse is to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[07:38] <reiki_work> ok... what's Eclipse for?
[07:38] <LaserLine> how do i know where is my DVD ROM and CDROM ? (what do i type in terminal?)
[07:39] <alunatic> hey i got a problem here ... how do i switch window managers on ubuntu?
[07:39] <apokryphos> LaserLine: likely in /media
[07:39] <LaserLine> apokryphos is there a possibility to list them ?
[07:40] <apokryphos> LaserLine: as I said, they'll be in /media
[07:40] <alunatic> anyone willing to help me here?
[07:40] <thrush> alunatic, click sessions at login prompt
[07:40] <LaserLine> apokryphos and if i want to turn DMA on ?
[07:40] <Nalioth> alunatic: at your login screen (providing you've installed more than the default)
[07:41] <Nalioth> !tell LaserLine about dma
[07:42] <alunatic> thrush,nalioth: i installed the defult window managers then i apt-getted enlightment ... now i want to use enlightment
[07:42] <Paradoxx> any1 here use eclipse?
[07:42] <Nalioth> alunatic: you'll have to make a .desktop file for enlightenment
[07:42] <LaserLine> Xine says I should enable dma with hdparm or something like that...
[07:42] <LaserLine> what does that mean ?
[07:43] <alunatic> how exactly do i go about that nalioth?
[07:43] <Nalioth> alunatic: how long have you used *nix?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> alunatic: look in /usr/share/xsessions
[07:43] <Nalioth> LaserLine: read your private msgs, dude
[07:43] <alunatic> ive experimented for a few years but basicly im a n00b
[07:43] <thoreauputic> alunatic: use an existing one as a template
[07:43] <alunatic> aha .. ok ill try that
[07:43] <vices> how can i search my whole system for a file?
[07:44] <LaserLine> Nalioth thanks, what how do i know what dev is my cdrom ?
[07:44] <Nalioth> alunatic: open one of the files in teh dir thoreauputic sent you, and change the values to reflect enlightenments settings. SAVE AS enlightenment.desktop in that dir, and the next time you login you should see it in your sessions menu
[07:44] <thoreauputic> vices: locate <file> is quick
[07:44] <NeoFax> vices: find
[07:44] <freshmint> vices, in console: man file
[07:44] <freshmint> vices, in console: man find
[07:44] <freshmint> sorry
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: you'll have to see that for yourself
[07:44] <LaserLine> Nalioth How ?
[07:44] <alunatic> gotya
[07:44] <Nalioth> alunatic: if you overwrite the file you open for a template, you'll lose one of your session choices you have now
[07:45] <vices> it says there is no file or directory.. and i know there is
[07:45] <LaserLine> Nalioth Where do i go to see that ?
[07:45] <alunatic> i know that
[07:45] <Nalioth> LaserLine: put a music cd in the drive and see which one shows you the contents in your file mangler
[07:45] <cheesie> Nalioth whats the address to the page that tell u how to install lime wire, adobe reader and skype etc.?
[07:45] <LaserLine> Nalioth /media/cdrom0
[07:45] <Nalioth> cheesie: check your private msgs
[07:45] <vader1102> I want ro reconfigure Xserver what command do I use?
[07:45] <cheesie> i have none Nalioth
[07:46] <apokryphos> vader1102: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:46] <davro> hi, have moved from gnome to fluxbox, performance reasons, default fonts are very small in fluxbox, but when i run 'gnome-font-properties' all the applications fonts change, could these properties be set on loading of fluxbox ?
[07:46] <LaserLine> Nalioth but what does that mean for me choosing a /dev... ?
[07:46] <vader1102> ty
[07:46] <ramah> god.. using wine makes me want to drink
[07:46] <bur[n] er> vader1102: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:46] <thrush> vices, "apropos *" is a handy way to locate different commands
[07:46] <thrush> vices, locate -i for case insensitive search
[07:46] <cheesie> i have none Nalioth
[07:46] <bur[n] er> davro: are you using gdm?  or just startx?
[07:46] <apokryphos> LaserLine: drives are files on Linux; they're in /dev -- you have to find the respective one for your cd/dvd drive
[07:46] <bur[n] er> davro: you can add teh gnome-font-properties to the startup
[07:47] <davro> bur[n] er: im using gdm to select the session.
[07:47] <LaserLine> apokryphos I understand that, but how do I do that...?
[07:47] <bur[n] er> davro: performance reasons... don't ;)
[07:47] <Ichanz> Nalioth Ichanz: symlink (in a terminal, type "man ln" <-- doesnt work ... can not link directories :(
[07:47] <Nalioth> LaserLine: /dev/cdrom0 would be a good first choice
[07:47] <apokryphos> LaserLine: find out what it is?
[07:47] <LaserLine> apokryphos When I put a DVD or a CD in my drive, I see the files in /media/cdrom0
[07:47] <Nalioth> Ichanz: oh, but you can
[07:47] <davro> using mini-itx's gnome is running slow on the 600mhz one.
[07:47] <Ichanz> how to ???
[07:47] <apokryphos> LaserLine: check what it's mounted on, then.
[07:47] <bur[n] er> davro: may i suggest xfce instead of fluxbox?  it may deal with your fonts better if you don't want to get too involved with basic script stuff... fluxbox is really bare
[07:48] <LaserLine> apokryphos how to i do that ?
[07:48] <apokryphos> LaserLine: mount
[07:48] <LaserLine> apokryphos I mean list what's mounted
[07:48] <Ichanz> Nalioth Ichanz: oh, but you can <-- i've ln -F <-- doesnt have permission... although the folder already chmod 777
[07:48] <apokryphos> LaserLine: mount
[07:48] <delire> LaserLine: as he said, 'mount'
[07:49] <LaserLine> apokryphos when I did "mount" it wrote: /dev/hdb on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 ...
[07:49] <Nalioth> Ichanz: you can "ln -s" anything you like
[07:49] <LaserLine> apokryphos, so that means I follow the Wiki but choose /dev/hdb ?
[07:49] <Ichanz> Nalioth Ichanz: you can "ln -s" anything you like <-- hang on... i'll try
[07:50] <Gorth-> Does Ubuntu support installation from a fat32 partition?
[07:50] <apokryphos> LaserLine: no; one sec
[07:50] <Nalioth> Gorth-: no
[07:50] <davro> fluxbox tabbed application sold it to me, have tryed xfce but i preffer fluxbox just would like to sot the fonts.
[07:50] <LaserLine> apokryphos, Ok...waiting.
[07:50] <Nalioth> Gorth-: however, the installer does include a partition resizer
[07:51] <bur[n] er> davro: u may edit the dpi of the X Server... or edit the fluxbox session scripts to start gnome-font-properties
[07:51] <Gorth-> Nalioth: will it supported in the future?
[07:51] <Paradoxx> can breezy packages work with warty?
[07:51] <bur[n] er> davro: or edit your fluxbox theme to change the fluxbox fonts themselves... won't affect gtk stuff though
[07:51] <bloodnik> wth is with the ubuntu-unregged?
[07:51] <bloodnik> Never mind
[07:51] <apokryphos> LaserLine: it's probably /dev/cdrom0 -- check if it's that.
[07:51] <NoUse> Paradoxx sounds like a bad idea
[07:52] <LaserLine> apokryphos, how do I check ? what to write?
[07:52] <apokryphos> LaserLine: follow whatever guide you're following
[07:52] <bloodnik> I'm trying to install my wireless card, which is the same one detailed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowTo
[07:52] <dducko> Thanks for the Audio fix, I had tried it before but had issues doing it, worked fine this time
[07:52] <bloodnik> But he assumes we have the Windows drivers already
[07:52] <davro> bur[n] er: Cheers will look into setting up the X rather than keeping gnome for the font setup.
[07:52] <LaserLine> apokryphos ok... How do I know if it really is /dev/cdrom0 or /dev/hdb ? will it give me an error or something?
[07:52] <bloodnik> so can anyone tell me where to get the windows drivers *from*?
[07:53] <Paradoxx> NoUse: thats what i was thinking, but the wiki said so... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[07:53] <bur[n] er> davro: good luck man... i was a long time fluxbox user myself... before I got 512 ram ;)
[07:53] <Paradoxx> or said, it "should" b ok
[07:53] <freshmint> LaserLine, have a look in /etc/fstab when you are searching for your devices
[07:53] <Nalioth> bloodnik: you don't dual boot?
[07:53] <apokryphos> LaserLine: I don't know what you're doing, but probably.
[07:53] <bloodnik> yes I do
[07:54] <bloodnik> Is it in the windows partition somewhere?
[07:54] <bloodnik> well obv it is
[07:54] <bloodnik> But, where?
[07:54] <Nalioth> Gorth-: there arent many linux' that DO run on a fat32 partition
[07:54] <NoelCower> 'lo, folks
[07:54] <Ichanz> Nalioth Ichanz: you can "ln -s" anything you like <-- thx a lot Naliot .. it's done
[07:54] <freshmint> LaserLine, what are you trying to do?
[07:54] <davro> bur[n] er: heh dont get me wrong i use gnome on my laptop, but i have a project using a few min-itx's and these cyrix cpu's are a bit poo.
[07:55] <NoelCower> i was wondering if anyone could give me a quick run-down as to what i need to do in order to set up dual monitors (thanks in advance to anyone)
[07:55] <Nalioth> bloodnik: C:/windows/inf
[07:55] <Nalioth> davro: but they heat your house so well in winter time
[07:55] <bur[n] er> davro: totally understandable... good luck with it
[07:56] <WolfPac_Ite> Hi.
[07:56] <bloodnik> ok I'll try in a bit
[07:56] <bloodnik> food now
[07:56] <freshmint> NoelCower, click on System Settings->Display in the Gnome Launch Menu
[07:56] <davro> bur[n] er: Thanks mate cheers for the advice.
[07:56] <freshmint> No1Viking, then switch to the tab dual head
[07:57] <NoUse> Paradoxx if the wiki recommends it, it should be alright
[07:57] <NoUse> Paradoxx especially if its for a java app like eclipse
[07:58] <Nalioth> NoelCower: this might help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[07:58] <freshmint> NoelCower, then switch to the tab dual head
[07:58] <NoelCower> freshmint/Nalioth: thanks
[07:58] <NoelCower> gonna take a second since i'm under KDE, but i can just open another login screen
[07:59] <freshmint> NoelCower, i think ther must me a similar configurator in the KDE control center
[07:59] <Gorullaz> hi. im having problem with sudo apt-get update
[07:59] <No1Viking> freshmint, ??
[07:59] <NoelCower> i was looking at its display settings, nothing about dual monitors/head
[07:59] <vices> where's the apache2 directory for the webpage?
[08:00] <freshmint> No1Viking, nevermind. xchat completed the wrong nick ....
[08:00] <No1Viking> OK, LOL freshmint
[08:00] <davro> Gorullaz: what is the problem ?
[08:00] <v1ru5> http://www.specialfarm.net/macgyver2008.html
[08:00] <Gorullaz> some index files failed to download
[08:00] <apokryphos> NoelCower: twinview is good, apparently
[08:01] <Gorullaz> 113 no route to host. also
[08:01] <Nalioth> Gorullaz: run it again
[08:01] <Gorullaz> i've tried few times, same problem
[08:01] <NoUse> Gorullaz check your network settings
[08:02] <lemoocow> how do I enable processor frequency scaling?
[08:02] <davro> Gorullaz: are all the repo's valid in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <Gorullaz> how do i know its valid? . (sorry but its my first time with ubuntu)
[08:03] <nalioths_dog> Gorullaz: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:03] <Nalioth> Gorullaz: compare yours to that one
[08:03] <Gorullaz> ok. thanks
[08:03] <apokryphos> nalioths_dog: wow! A sidekick -- handy.
[08:03] <NoelCower> hm, i don't think twinview will do the job
[08:03] <NoelCower> thanks anyways
[08:04] <apokryphos> it's use for dual monitors
[08:04] <freshmint> NoelCower, have you found the configuration tool?
[08:04] <apokryphos> if that's not the job you want it to do, then no, it wouldn't.
[08:04] <Nalioth> apokryphos: my faithful companion
[08:04] <WolfPac_Ite> I don't think CoLinux allows Windows to be used while in Linux, does it?
[08:04] <NoelCower> freshmint, no Display configurator
[08:04] <freshmint> NoelCower, try the command: /usr/bin/system-config-display
[08:04] <NoelCower> apokryphos, well it's not that, it's that i'm using an ATI card and it seems that TwinView is made for nvidia stuff (not that i looked into it too much)
[08:05] <freshmint> NoelCower, of cours as root
[08:05] <NoelCower> freshmint, doesn't exist
[08:05] <freshmint> hmmm
[08:06] <freshmint> i sure that there is something in the control center
[08:06] <freshmint> KDE control center
[08:06] <lightsaber777> <-- can someone tell me if the "new release every 6 months" is something that can be handled by apt or do I need to reinstall?
[08:07] <NoelCower> the wiki page Nalioth linked to seems to have a working solution
[08:07] <NoelCower> gonna try it real quick
[08:07] <thrush> lightsaber777, you can upgrade via apt
[08:07] <lightsaber777> sweet... next question... what is the support like for the new ati and nvidia cards?  same as debian?
[08:08] <NoUse> !ati
[08:08] <ubotu> methinks ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:08] <NoUse> !nvidia
[08:08] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:08] <WolfPac_Ite> That's a nice bot script you have there.
[08:08] <NoUse> !botsnack
[08:08] <ubotu> :)
[08:08] <apokryphos> NoelCower: oh, right; I think it probably is, yes.
[08:09] <Nalioth> lightsaber777: when the time comes, apt can easily upgrade you (this is not windows where a reinstall takes place every time you take a deep breath)
[08:09] <NoelCower> lightsaber777, my personal opinion is that ATI is a real pain in the arse to install drivers for (if you want new drivers, anyways, otherwise you can use apt-get to snag some older ones)
[08:10] <lightsaber777> nouse - thanks, have you tried either of these?  I had a lot of trouble with ati but nvidia worked great on debian sarge
[08:10] <vader1102> when starting x I get fatal IO error, what do I need to do?
[08:10] <nalioths_dog> vader1102, call to VESA for help?
[08:10] <NoUse> lightsaber777 I have nvidia and it was a breeze to install, the problem wtih Ati is they make crappy linux drivers
[08:11] <vader1102> and how is that done lol
[08:11] <vader1102> don't forget quite the noob here
[08:11] <freshmint> vader1102, check out the xorg log file
[08:11] <vader1102> k
[08:11] <gigaclon> is there a way to make Power Management turn off my screen after so many minutes?
[08:11] <dducko> Which would be a better card to use, 64 Meg Nvidia AGP or ATI Radeon 128 meg (PCI)
[08:11] <gigaclon> i have a laptop
[08:12] <lightsaber777> cool, I figured it would probably be the same on ubuntu as debian
[08:12] <freshmint> gigaclon, are you using gnome?
[08:12] <NoUse> gigaclon its in the screensaver cofig
[08:12] <lightsaber777> thanks guys
[08:12] <gigaclon> yeah
[08:12] <freshmint> giard, see your screensaver settings in the preferences menu
[08:12] <gigaclon> NoUse, Thats is blank the screen, i need it to turn off the screen
[08:12] <NoUse> gigaclon trust me, look harder
[08:12] <Nalioth> gigaclon: yes, it's in the screen saver prefs
[08:13] <Nalioth> gigaclon: it's under "power management"
[08:13] <freshmint> yeah ;-)
[08:13] <gigaclon> I don't want it to turn off the computer, just the screen
[08:14] <freshmint> gigaclon, see the advanced tab of the screensaver settings
[08:14] <gigaclon> never mind
[08:14] <NoelCower> i'll be right back, let you all know if i blow up my computer ;)
[08:14] <Nalioth> sheesh
[08:14] <emacsen> Hey all. I have about 6 ubuntu workstation installations on the same hardware and they *all* freeze up on keyboard and screen every few hours
[08:14] <gigaclon> next q
[08:14] <Nalioth> was gonna tell noelcower, if he did a good job of blowin it up, we'd hear it
[08:15] <gigaclon> is there a way to turn off the screen when I close the lid of my computer
[08:15] <freshmint> gigaclon, are you sure that the screen isn't turned of, when you close your lappy
[08:15] <Nalioth> emacsen: running the same software? (they are duplicates in all ways?)
[08:15] <emacsen> Nalioth yeap. Same ubuntu
[08:16] <freshmint> freshmint, i think most laptops do that automatically. doesn't depend on software settings
[08:16] <Nalioth> emacsen: run the memory test thing on em one at a time
[08:16] <freshmint> gigaclon, i think most laptops do that automatically. doesn't depend on software settings
[08:16] <Nalioth> emacsen: if they all check out, check em for proper ventilation
[08:16] <emacsen> Nalioth on ALL of them? That's a lot of boxes to have memory problems
[08:16] <emacsen> Nalioth oh, and when they run Fedora, this doesn't happen
[08:17] <Nalioth> emacsen: ah, more info
[08:17] <NoUse> emacsen are they still running? like are they network accessible?
[08:17] <davro> gigaclon, laptop hardware usally has a hidden screen switch.
[08:17] <emacsen> NoUse: they're pingable. Good question about more
[08:17] <gigaclon> freshmint, I know it does not do that cause I can hold the latch in and it doesn't have that
[08:17] <NoUse> emacsen are these keyboards/mice USB or ps2?
[08:17] <rob_p> emacsen:  any proprietary software (especially drivers) that aren't known stable versions, etc?
[08:17] <emacsen> NoUse: USB
[08:18] <emacsen> rob_p: if there is, it's from Ubuntu
[08:18] <NoUse> emacsen see if you can ssh into one of them after it locks up and look at /var/log/messages
[08:18] <freshmint> gigaclon, hmm okay i don't have experiences with lappys and linux
[08:18] <NoUse> emacsen you might try putting one on ps2 input devices
[08:18] <rob_p> emacsen:  then, no :-)
[08:18] <Nalioth> gigaclon: afaik, sleep and suspend dont work too well, yet
[08:19] <emacsen> NoUse: yeah, I'll look at the SSH issue. BUT I can't replace so many workstation's keyboards
[08:19] <Gorullaz> ok. now my sources.list is same as in paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969, but still im gettin the problem
[08:19] <emacsen> NoUse: mouse still works though
[08:19] <emacsen> NoUse: that's the fscked up part
[08:20] <Nalioth> Gorullaz: you have unofficial stuff in your box already
[08:20] <Gorullaz> ic
[08:20] <Gorullaz> so how to fix this?
[08:20] <Nalioth> emacsen: do users actually sit at all of the workstations?
[08:21] <Ichanz> gtg thx nalioth
[08:21] <Nalioth> Gorullaz: wait until versions upstream replace the ones you have, or backup your home directory and reinstall
[08:21] <Gorullaz> ok. normally how long does it take for a replace?
[08:22] <puneypunk> hey
[08:22] <NoUse> emacsen I have a bias against USB input devices so thats where I'm going from, but yeah check the logs, perhaps put them in pastebin and come back
[08:23] <meeep> hi. i have a .jar file i created, but i just cant get it running. any help?
[08:23] <puneypunk> could any one talk me through compiling VLC for warty on ppc?
[08:23] <mumbles> !vlc
[08:23] <ubotu> mumbles: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:23] <viyyer> I'm using kubuntu install .. I having a problem using kppp .. my internet connection works fine with wvdial.. when It comes to using kppp.. the kppp window freezes... why does this happen ?
[08:23] <viyyer> is there something I can do aboutit ?
[08:23] <meeep> !vlc
[08:23] <puneypunk> ?
[08:24] <puneypunk> not vlc?
[08:24] <meeep> neoppe
[08:24] <puneypunk> I see
[08:24] <puneypunk> :\
[08:24] <puneypunk> lames
[08:24] <Nalioth> puneypunk: yes, it's easy
[08:24] <puneypunk> thanks though
[08:24] <Nalioth> puneypunk: open a terminal, and type "sudo apt-get build-dep vlc"
[08:24] <viyyer> !kppp
[08:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, viyyer
[08:25] <Gorullaz> Nalioth,  is there any other possibility. becos, i just installed ubunto fresh abt 30 mins back and im sure i didnt installl any stuff.
[08:25] <tactless> I have a Hoary x86/32b install CD. Is there any way to switch it to 64b during installation?
[08:25] <Nalioth> puneypunk: then in the terminal, type "sudo apt-get source -b vlc"
[08:25] <Nalioth> tactless: no
[08:25] <tactless> Isn't it just a matter of apt sources?
[08:25] <puneypunk> Nalioth, ok
[08:25] <kandoora> i need some help
[08:25] <Distro^Junkie> no tactless
[08:26] <kandoora> how do i install wvdial
[08:26] <tactless> So what's the difference?
[08:26] <spiderworm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=61636
[08:26] <Distro^Junkie> you need to change the whole core
[08:26] <puneypunk> Nalioth, E: Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied.
[08:26] <Nalioth> puneypunk: when that gets done, look in the directory you are in for the vlc deb and then "sudo dpkg -i name-of-vlc.deb"
[08:26] <tactless> Can it be done post-installation?
[08:26] <puneypunk> urm yeah
[08:26] <Nalioth> puneypunk: anything wrong with the one binary?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: vlc is in the repos for ppc
[08:27] <Nalioth> puneypunk: do you have all your sources enabled?
[08:27] <puneypunk> it is?
[08:27] <puneypunk> wheres the binary
[08:27] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: in universe from memory
[08:27] <NoUse> puneypunk apt-get install vlc
[08:28] <NoUse> !vlc
[08:28] <ubotu> NoUse: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:28] <thoreauputic> !tell puneypunk about repos
[08:28] <NoUse> !info vlc
[08:28] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[08:28] <Gorullaz> bye then. will come when u guys are less busy
[08:28] <Nalioth> NoUse: like this
[08:28] <viyyer> is kppp window freezing a bug ?
[08:28] <_olaf> what's the default password to the 'root' and 'ubuntu' accounts?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> !rot
[08:28] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, thoreauputic
[08:28] <Nalioth> !tell _olaf about root
[08:28] <thoreauputic> !root
[08:28] <ubotu> hmm... root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:28] <puneypunk> thoreauputic,  I thought i had the repos?
[08:29] <_olaf> okay well
[08:29] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: did you enable "universe" ?
[08:29] <kandoora> I'M NEW TO UBUNTU CAN SOMEONE HELP
[08:29] <_olaf> what's the default password of 'ubuntu'?
[08:29] <puneypunk> yes
[08:29] <Nalioth> puneypunk: and enable multiverse, also
[08:29] <WolfPac_Ite> Read the topic. ^^^^
[08:29] <thoreauputic> kandoora: don't shout, please
[08:29] <puneypunk> kk
[08:29] <bloodnik> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:29] <bloodnik> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280
[08:29] <Nalioth> kandoora: that is not a good idea
[08:29] <bloodnik> any ideas?
[08:29] <NoUse> _olaf you set one in setup
[08:29] <_olaf> but that one won't let me run X for some reason
[08:30] <Kyral> I find this amusing
[08:30] <thoreauputic> puneypunk:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:30] <NoelCower> hm, yeah, that didn't work
[08:30] <Kyral> the gnome-office package wants to install the package "gnome-desktop-environment"
[08:30] <NoelCower> least my pc didn't blow up ^_^
[08:30] <_olaf> i just want to know the default password to 'ubuntu', why's that so hard to answer?
[08:30] <NoelCower> think i'll give it a rest now, since i'm starving
[08:30] <Kyral> yet I'm running GNOME ;P
[08:30] <thoreauputic> !tell kandoora about msg
[08:30] <NoUse> _olaf there is no user 'ubuntu'
[08:30] <Nalioth> _olaf: the default pwd is the one you chose during install
[08:31] <meeep> hi. i have a .jar file i created, but i just cant get it running. any help?
[08:31] <Nalioth> meeep: did you try #java?
[08:31] <_olaf> then why doesn't X have permission to run on my account i setup during the install?
[08:31] <Kyral> eeah?
[08:32] <NoUse> what error do you get when you try to login to the graphical login?
[08:32] <meeep> Nalioth, nope, i suppose that's better, thx for redirecting me :)
[08:32] <LaserLine> freshmint, I was AFK  -  I want to enable DMA on my DVD-ROM in my laptop
[08:32] <Kyral> X should run just fine outta a default install
[08:32] <_olaf> no, when i try to start X while in CLI
[08:32] <Kyral> unless its Breezy....
[08:32] <Kyral> use the command startx
[08:32] <bloodnik> Anyone know what this means? dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:32] <Kyral> means that the pack isn't for AMD64 ;P
[08:32] <kandoora> how do i install wvdial
[08:32] <Nalioth> bloodnik: you are using what sources?
[08:33] <Nalioth> !info wvdial
[08:33] <Kyral> kandoora, sudo apt-get install wvdial
[08:33] <ubotu> wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 284 kB
[08:33] <thoreauputic> kandoora: it should be installed by default
[08:33] <bloodnik> Nalioth, The default that came with the installation
[08:33] <DVSoftware> hello
[08:33] <bored2k> Where can I download the Ubuntu Breezy dev release ? Is there a bittorrent link for it ?
[08:33] <bloodnik> We only installed it a few hours ago.
[08:33] <Nalioth> bored2k: they come out daily
[08:33] <kandoora> when i go to applications internet there is no gnome-ppp or wvdial
[08:33] <thoreauputic> kandoora: type sudo wvdial in a terminal
[08:33] <kandoora> how do i get it
[08:33] <DVSoftware> friend of mine migrated from windows to ubuntu, but there's one problem
[08:34] <thoreauputic> kandoora: ^^^
[08:34] <DVSoftware> some filenames had cyrilic characters
[08:34] <bored2k> Nalioth, is it the same if I dist-upgrade from Hoary ? (with ubuntu-desktop installed) ?
[08:34] <Kyral> bored2k, swap out hoary for breezy in the sources.list
[08:34] <Nalioth> bloodnik: then check your /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure the deb-src lines are enabled
[08:34] <kandoora> doesn't sudo require connection to the internet
[08:34] <DVSoftware> and now they're only ????? ??? ?????
[08:34] <thoreauputic> kandoora: no
[08:34] <kandoora> i'm trying to connect to the net using wvdial
[08:34] <DVSoftware> what should i do?
[08:34] <Nalioth> bored2k: yes it is, but the warning applies: you get to keep both pieces when it breaks
[08:35] <bored2k> Nalioth, oh I'm aware how much it can break, but what do you mean by "both pieces" ?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> kandoora: the other way is to use  sudo pppconfig to configure dialup, then use pon/poff to connect
[08:35] <Nalioth> bored2k: it's a joke
[08:35] <bored2k> :P
[08:35] <NoelCower> heh
[08:35] <thoreauputic> !tell kandoora about dialup
[08:35] <DVSoftware> what should i do to recover cyrilic filenames from windows?
[08:36] <bored2k> Nalioth, ok thanks. *changes sources* Let the fun begin !
[08:37] <WolfPac_Ite> What do you guys think about OSL2000?
[08:37] <DVSoftware> bored2k: you are upgrading to breezy?
[08:37] <puneypunk> thoreauputic, I have the repositories but apt-get install vlc doesn't work?
[08:37] <bored2k> DVSoftware, its what i pretend
[08:37] <NoelCower> hm, i think i blew up amarok
[08:37] <Nalioth> bored2k: in linux, you never have to 'reinstall' (unless you make a catastrophic error)
[08:37] <Cyber-shot> hello
[08:37] <Cyber-shot> allo
[08:38] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: what does  apt-cache show vlc return? ( don't paste it ! *grin*)
[08:38] <Cyber-shot> how to open in *.aspx file in ubuntu
[08:38] <bored2k> Nalioth, my warty upgrades never dd that well
[08:38] <Cyber-shot> who know?
[08:38] <DVSoftware> Nalioth: you mean something like sudo rm -rf / ?
[08:38] <Nalioth> puneypunk: did you update your apt-get?
[08:38] <bloodnik> Nalioth, I've uncommented all deb-src lines and run apt-get update, and it's giving me the same error
[08:38] <uthini> :-/
[08:38] <puneypunk> updated it yeah
[08:38] <puneypunk> one sec
[08:38] <uthini> still can't update my kernel & stuff
[08:38] <DVSoftware> is xorg fixed in breezy?
[08:38] <Nalioth> DVSoftware: wtf?
[08:38] <NoelCower> fixed?
[08:39] <Nalioth> bloodnik: use apt-get to build your binary
[08:39] <DVSoftware> Nalioth: you said - [20:38:30]  [Nalioth]  bored2k: in linux, you never have to 'reinstall' (unless you make a catastrophic error)
[08:39] <puneypunk> thoreauputic, sorry how'd you use apt-cache :s?
[08:39] <DVSoftware> sudo rm -rf / is catastrophic enough :D
[08:39] <bloodnik> Nalioth, How do I do that? This is ndiswrapper, btw, if there's an easier way.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: please don't type that command here - some innocent newb might try it ;)
[08:39] <DVSoftware> oh ok ;)
[08:39] <NoelCower> heh
[08:39] <Nalioth> DVSoftware: that isn't funny, please dont do it again in here (we have impressionable new users to *nix)
[08:40] <thoreauputic> puneypunk:  apt-cache show vlc
[08:40] <NoUse> Cyber-shot thats just a normal text file
[08:40] <DVSoftware> ok i warn linux n00bs
[08:40] <DVSoftware> it's catastrophic commands
[08:40] <Cyber-shot> NoUse,  no no
[08:40] <Nalioth> bloodnik: 1) in a term, type "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkgname>"
[08:40] <kandoora> thanx thoreauputic
[08:40] <NoelCower> it will make baby jesus cry ;)
[08:40] <Cyber-shot>  i means it can open song from internet
[08:40] <thoreauputic> kandoora: yw :)
[08:40] <kandoora> thanx ubotu
[08:40] <Cyber-shot> what player i need to use
[08:40] <DVSoftware> NoelCower: i remember that x was broken in breezy
[08:40] <NoUse> Cyber-shot try mplayer
[08:40] <WolfPac_Ite> That;s just the sort of thing I would do if I didn't figure out what it meant...
[08:40] <puneypunk> thoreauputic, it looks like its there>
[08:40] <Cyber-shot> ok
[08:40] <Nalioth> bloodnik: then in the term, "sudo apt-get source -b <samepkgname>
[08:41] <DVSoftware> if it's fixed, i would like to upgrade to breezy
[08:41] <bloodnik> Nalioth, how do I know what <pkgname> to use? Is it gonna be the same as the tar.gz filename?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: well, sudo apt-get install vlc should work then, unless your sources are broken
[08:41] <Nalioth> bloodnik: when it's done, install the shiny new deb in your current directory
[08:41] <Cyber-shot> NoUse, Mplayer can't open that file
[08:41] <DVSoftware> but... someone should direct me :S
[08:41] <Nalioth> bloodnik: no, it will be the name you get from "apt-cache search ndiswrap"
[08:41] <puneypunk> wow it looks like its working thanks thoreauputic
[08:42] <bloodnik> Nalioth, that returned no results.
[08:42] <Nalioth> !tell DVSoftware about upgrade2breezy
[08:42] <thoreauputic> puneypunk: no worries :)
[08:42] <Nalioth> bloodnik: what kind of "no results"?
[08:42] <frank23> !upgrade2breezy
[08:42] <ubotu> I heard upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[08:42] <DVSoftware> Laughing out loud
[08:42] <DVSoftware> "when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces"
[08:42] <NoUse> Cyber-shot run 'file <filename>.aspx' in the console
[08:42] <bloodnik> the kind where nothing happens. It didn't say "no results" or anything.
[08:42] <NoUse> Cyber-shot it should tell you want find of file it is
[08:42] <NoelCower> hm, yeah, something's definitely up with amarok
[08:43] <Cyber-shot> ok
[08:43] <NoelCower> time to get the hammer
[08:43] <WolfPac_Ite> Does XP Home have NTLDR?
[08:43] <Nalioth> bloodnik: so you're at a terminal with no active prompt?
[08:43] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: all NT based OS' have ntldr
[08:43] <bloodnik> graham@frodo:/usr/src$ sudo apt-cache search ndiswrap
[08:43] <bloodnik> graham@frodo:/usr/src$
[08:43] <DVSoftware> ok Nalioth how much disk space i need to do an upgrade?
[08:43] <Nalioth> bloodnik: hang on
[08:44] <DVSoftware> my hard drive is pretty full
[08:44] <bloodnik> I'm guessing there's a repo I need...
[08:44] <Nalioth> ndiswrapper isnt in the repos?
[08:44] <Nalioth> wow
[08:44] <DVSoftware> WolfPac_Ite: ntldr=windows nt loader
[08:44] <bloodnik> yeah, that's why I'm having trouble.
[08:44] <DVSoftware> !info ndiswrapper
[08:44] <DVSoftware> it should be
[08:44] <bloodnik> Having to follow a whole wiki
[08:44] <bloodnik> !info ndiswrapper
[08:44] <DVSoftware> it's on cd
[08:45] <DVSoftware> ;)
[08:45] <Nalioth> bloodnik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:45] <bloodnik> It is?
[08:45] <DVSoftware> yeah
[08:45] <bloodnik> why can't I find it then?
[08:45] <DVSoftware> at least i've installed it with aptitude from cd
[08:45] <WolfPac_Ite> Just wnated to make sure since a tutorial mentioned only Pro.
[08:45] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks.
[08:46] <DVSoftware> ok
[08:46] <DVSoftware> starting update to breezy
[08:46] <DVSoftware> pray for me
[08:46] <Nalioth> bloodnik: follow the wiki. and btw, where'd you get your tar.gz?
[08:46] <NoelCower> hm, anyone happen to have any idea what's up with this (while loading amarok): "/usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[08:46] <bloodnik> Nalioth, i've been following this wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:47] <bloodnik> I followed the link there.
[08:47] <kandoora> what is wvdial?
[08:47] <Nalioth> hmm, 2 different ndiswrapper wiki articles
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Nalioth: ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source, methinks
[08:47] <ompaul> kandoora, a tool for using a modem to get on the internet
[08:48] <DVSoftware> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[08:48] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: (Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.12+1.0rc2-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
[08:48] <DVSoftware> yep
[08:48] <bloodnik> It says to install ndiswrapper-utils, but apt-get can't find it.
[08:48] <bloodnik> I've activated restricted.
[08:48] <kandoora> is wvdial better or pppconfig
[08:48] <Nalioth> bloodnik: do you have all the repos enabled/
[08:48] <thoreauputic> kandoora: I use pppconfig
[08:48] <nalioths_dog> bloodnik: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:49] <thoreauputic> kandoora: either should work if you have a supported modem
[08:49] <kayfelix> hello people - can someone help me? I have a sound-driver problem in kubuntu, help very appreciated.
[08:49] <bloodnik> nalioths_dog, is that good for the amd64 version too?
[08:49] <mindamp> i just apt-got courier-imap
[08:49] <mindamp> and i can connect but it says maildir doesn't exist
[08:49] <Nalioth> bloodnik: yes
[08:49] <bloodnik> ok thanks
[08:49] <mindamp> so i created Maildir in the users home...
[08:50] <kandoora> when i download an open source application which format do i need for ubuntu
[08:50] <bloodnik> brb _
[08:50] <mindamp> but it just either freezes now..
[08:50] <mindamp> etc..
[08:50] <NoUse> kayfelix have you looked through the sound troubleshooting guide on the wiki?
[08:50] <kandoora> deb or rpm or ......
[08:50] <NoUse> kandoora deb
[08:50] <Nalioth> bloodnik: i'm lookin at the wiki URL you sent, and it should work for you if you follow it
[08:50] <ubuntulnx> hi there.. someone can help me with an apt question
[08:50] <mindamp> is it because im running pop for that same user?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> !tell kandoora about synaptic
[08:50] <kayfelix> i downloaded the ac'97 realtek drivers, run ./configure and it said im missing the linux kernel sources
[08:50] <NoUse> ubuntulnx just ask your quesiton
[08:50] <thoreauputic> kandoora: don't download, use synaptic
[08:50] <ubuntulnx> thx NoUse
[08:50] <thoreauputic> kandoora: it does all that for you
[08:51] <LaserLine> Some one could help me with enabeling DMA on my DVD-ROM ?
[08:51] <Nalioth> kandoora: you enable all your ubuntu repos and look in them, b4 you d/l anything
[08:51] <Kyral> !breezy
[08:51] <ubotu> hmm... breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:51] <LaserLine> I looked here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[08:51] <DVSoftware> shit
[08:51] <DVSoftware> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[08:51] <Kyral> Where is the Colony 3 CD?
[08:51] <mindamp> can anyone help
[08:51] <kayfelix> so to be more specific, how do I get the kernel sources?
[08:51] <LaserLine> and figured out my cdrom is /dev/hdb
[08:51] <DVSoftware> well... i have to burn some dvd's
[08:51] <kayfelix> apt-get .....
[08:51] <thoreauputic> !tell kandoora  bout repos
[08:51] <apokryphos> kayfelix: use apt
[08:51] <ompaul> kyncani, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <LaserLine> It works fine when i give it hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb
[08:51] <kayfelix> apt-get with what command?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> !tell kandoora about repos
[08:51] <apokryphos> kayfelix: apt-cache search kernel-sources
[08:52] <ubuntulnx> ok.. here it goes.. ubuntu is setup to update the deb repos. i get a message in gnome that there is new stuff.. but i only seem to get security updates
[08:52] <Kyral> Is Colony 3 relatively stable?
[08:52] <Nalioth> ubuntulnx: you will only get security updates
[08:52] <LaserLine> but when I add the line to /etc/hdparm.conf with /dev/hdb - at boot time I revieve "/dev/hdv no such file or directory
[08:52] <apokryphos> Kyral: relatively; more recent updates are more stable.
[08:52] <Kyral> ie, no new X screwups?
[08:52] <apokryphos> Kyral: x problems are on-and-off
[08:52] <mindamp> and whenever I send a message it hangs on copying to sent folder...
[08:52] <chrismy> have to go! goodnight goodday and have fun!
[08:52] <Nalioth> Kyral: which relative are we comparing breezy to?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: right - only security and bugfixes
[08:52] <mindamp> is there a command to make these directories or something?
[08:52] <Kyral> Has the NVidia drivers been compiled against the new kernel yet?
[08:53] <kayfelix> apokryphos - it did something for a second and then it stopped when using apt-cache search kernel-sources
[08:53] <ubuntulnx> my sources.list looks ok and also includes: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe and deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:53] <LaserLine> Some one could help me with enabeling DMA on my DVD-ROM ? I looked here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA and figured out my cdrom is /dev/hdb It works fine when i give it hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb but when I add the line to /etc/hdparm.conf with /dev/hdb - at boot time I revieve "/dev/hdv no such file or directory
[08:53] <apokryphos> kayfelix: you use apt-cache to search for packages in apt
[08:53] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, what happens if there is a package update?
[08:53] <Kyral> 'cause I'm bored and I'd rather go Breezy Install
[08:53] <kayfelix> apokyphos - and what now? it didnt return any results
[08:53] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, how would i get it?
[08:53] <nevinm> LaserLine: did you make a typo in the hdparm.conf file?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: ubuntu is stable - ie doesn't change until next release
[08:53] <spiderworm> hi all, backports are located at backports.ubuntuforums.org, right?
[08:54] <Kyral> and I assume I can grab w32codecs from Hoary Backports
[08:54] <Nalioth> ubuntulnx: the pkg updates happen next month
[08:54] <LaserLine> nevinm, nope -double checked that...
[08:54] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: if you want newer, you can use backports (with care)
[08:54] <katzor> hi, does anone know how to configure xchat to indentify me automatically
[08:54] <mindamp> please
[08:54] <mindamp> comeone
[08:54] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, im looking for an updates gphoto2 package and know it exists.. but i can seem to get an updated version through apt-get update
[08:55] <mindamp> comeall
[08:55] <bloodnik> Nalioth, it's giving me the same error. dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:55] <Nalioth> katzor: it's in your server properties dialog (when it first starts up)
[08:55] <apokryphos> kayfelix: it should be in main, so you should get results
[08:55] <mindamp> im sure this is simple
[08:55] <mindamp> i need help
[08:55] <LaserLine> nevinm, I'm kinda confused here :(
[08:55] <apokryphos> Kyral: my w32codecs still work
[08:55] <ompaul> !tell mindamp about ask
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: Nalioth and I just explained why
[08:55] <Nalioth> bloodnik: you are following the wiki?
[08:55] <kayfelix> apokryphos : i got linux-image-.... that the stuff I want?
[08:55] <bloodnik> yes
[08:55] <Kyral> apokryphos, I'm wiping out my Hoary install :P
[08:55] <Kyral> Packages from scratch
[08:55] <ubuntulnx> Nalioth, so there are now monthly updates? in warty i recall getting normal and security updates every week..
[08:55] <bloodnik> I'm even using version 1.1 instead of 1.3
[08:55] <bloodnik> I just ran "sudo make deb"
[08:55] <nevinm> LaserLine: so the entry looks like this, right? "/dev/hdc { <newline> dma = on <newline> }"
[08:55] <apokryphos> kayfelix: apt-cache search kernel-source
[08:55] <Kyral> I just thought that w32codecs exist in Backports/Extras
[08:55] <Nalioth> ubuntulnx: no, the pkg updates come every 6 months
[08:56] <bloodnik> step 6
[08:56] <ubuntulnx> ok
[08:56] <ompaul> ubuntulnx, you get them when there is a security or bug fix
[08:56] <nevinm> sorry, LaserLine, replace hdc with your dvd drve
[08:56] <katzor> Nalioth, thanks dude
[08:56] <Nalioth> bloodnik: i think you're off on a tangent somewhere
[08:56] <LaserLine> nenim yes, but instead mine is /dev/hdb
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: no diff between warty and hoary - smae deal
[08:56] <thoreauputic> *same
[08:56] <apokryphos> Kyral: you should still be able to use it, probably.
[08:56] <Kyral> apokryphos, I said I
[08:56] <bloodnik> Is there, in fact, a version of ndiswrapper for the 64-bit version?
[08:56] <apokryphos> Kyral: why whipe out hoary install?
[08:56] <WolfPac_Ite> What do you guys recommend. Using NTLDR or Grub/LILO for dual booting? The PC will primarly use Windows XP.
[08:56] <Kyral> Computer no like new kernels :P
[08:56] <mindamp> i need help with courier-imap, it says unable to open mailbox.. in /etc/courier/imapd i specified Mail as the mailbox
[08:56] <mindamp> some please help
[08:56] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, thx.. so would i see an updated package in: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:56] <Kyral> that was my problem the LAST time I dist-upgraded
[08:56] <mindamp> er someone please help
[08:56] <thoreauputic> WolfPac_Ite: grub
[08:56] <mindamp> im tired
[08:56] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite Grub
[08:56] <bloodnik> I've seen this error before, just after installing, when it was setting up its own packages.
[08:56] <rob_p> mindamp:  permissions correct?
[08:57] <nevinm> LaserLine: does hdparm /dev/hdb show that DMA is off right after boot?
[08:57] <Kyral> the system wouldn't boot off the new kernel image
[08:57] <katzor> WolfPac_Ite, id go with grub
[08:57] <mindamp> yes permissions are correct
[08:57] <apokryphos> mindamp: you don't need to flood
[08:57] <bloodnik> Just ignored it because it didn't seem to make any difference.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: if it has been backported
[08:57] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: grub, ntldr sucks hard
[08:57] <katzor> lol
[08:57] <mindamp> i logeed in as the user, and did "maildirmake Mail"
[08:57] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, and if not?
[08:57] <kandoora> thoreauputic: you told me to use synaptic to do all my downloads and installation.  i usually download all my apps from work using a 2mb line then install it at home, if i want to download it at home using dial up it'll take ages. so what do i do
[08:57] <Kyral> Is the graphical installer active?
[08:57] <LaserLine> nevinm, no - it's on....
[08:57] <ubuntulnx> thoreauputic, id get in the next 6 monthly update?
[08:57] <nevinm> LaserLine: you turned it on manually?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> ubuntulnx: well, you could compile from sorce - but why not wait for breezy?
[08:58] <NoUse> kandoora look into apt-zip
[08:58] <WolfPac_Ite> Will it take longer for XP to load up?
[08:58] <mindamp> help plz
[08:58] <NoUse> WolfPac_Ite no
[08:58] <WolfPac_Ite> Ok, thanks all.
[08:58] <LaserLine> nevinm nope..
[08:58] <thoreauputic> kandoora: ah, I have dialup too - i feel your pain
[08:58] <nevinm> LaserLine: so the error message is spurious, eh?
[08:59] <LaserLine> nevinm it was off before i made the changes... maybe te "error" message is because i'm booting with out any CD/DVD in my drive ?
[08:59] <ompaul> ubuntulnx, you can upgrade to breezy in Oct if you want, or you can track it in its unstable mode as things change and the final version takes form and shape, this may break, but that is the chance you take following a development branch
[08:59] <kandoora> so is it ok to download the deb and do the installtion at home, if so, how do i do it
[08:59] <kayfelix> question - how do I install the package with full kernel sources for kubuntu? (apt-cache search kernel-source did not work)
[08:59] <mindamp> would someone please help?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> kandoora: there are ways, but they are a bit tricky. Reading the apt-get howto might help you
[08:59] <mindamp> i don't understand
[08:59] <NoUse> kandoora I just told you, look into apt-zip
[09:00] <ompaul> !compiling
[09:00] <nevinm> LaserLine: that could be it... the no file/dir message, is it clear that its from hdparm?
[09:00] <Nalioth> bloodnik: priv msg check
[09:00] <thoreauputic> kandoora: or do  sudo apt-get install apt-howto and then type apt-howto in  terminal (it opens in your browser)
[09:00] <apokryphos> ompaul: evil long factoids
[09:00] <NoUse> kafeine did it show you a list of packages?
[09:00] <Nalioth> mindamp: ask your question and wait for  an answer
[09:00] <Kyral> Actually...
[09:00] <NoUse> oops wrong tab compile
[09:00] <LaserLine> nevinm how do i check that ?
[09:00] <Nalioth> mindamp: quit with the repeating pleas for help
[09:00] <kayfelix> ill come back when there's less traffic
[09:00] <NoUse> kayfelix did it show a list of packages?
[09:00] <ompaul> apokryphos, there is that, but we have seen I think 3 compiles in the last hour if I am correct
[09:00] <ubuntulnx> ompaul, thoreauputic, Nalioth thx guys.. viva ubuntu..
[09:00] <Kyral> one of the guys at my school did the Xen-Breezy thing for the summer of Code
[09:01] <Kyral> I think I'll try that out
[09:01] <nalioths_dog> mindamp: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> kandoora: just installing random debs can give you lots of dependency worries
[09:01] <apokryphos> ompaul: funny that the compiling factoid doesn't actually tell you how to compile
[09:01] <mindamp> you know...
[09:01] <ompaul> ubuntulnx, have a look at the reply to !compiling
[09:01] <nevinm> LaserLine: you'd have to look at the error message, could it possibly be coming from something else?
[09:01] <mindamp> its got to be really simple
[09:01] <mindamp> and i have done it before
[09:01] <mindamp> but i forgot...
[09:01] <ompaul> apokryphos, thats complie
[09:01] <ompaul> apokryphos, thats compile even :)
[09:01] <mindamp> yet you flood just as much with don't floods..
[09:01] <mindamp> its quite ridiculous
[09:02] <mindamp> its like im in a preschool room or something
[09:02] <apokryphos> ompaul: aha, so I see. Simplified. ;-)
[09:02] <LaserLine> If I get the following error in /var/log/syslog, what does it mean: "localhost kernel: hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } error=0x04Aborted Command ... does that mean that something is wrong with the cdrom (hdb?)
[09:02] <Nalioth> mindamp. ask your question. and wait
[09:02] <mindamp> i find it hard to believe no one has configured courier-imap under ubuntu
[09:02] <LaserLine> nevinm ....
[09:02] <frank23> LaserLine: are you sure your cdrom is on /dev/hdb ?
[09:02] <kandoora> where do i read about apt-zip or apt-get and what's the differenc between the tow
[09:02] <tommi^> Hi. What are the reasons why my gnome: log out: hibernate function would fail with only blinking the monitor to black and to come up to locked screen?
[09:02] <nevinm> LaserLine: that means that you may have a damaged disk
[09:02] <apokryphos> kandoora: check the man pages
[09:02] <LaserLine> frank23 yes, it says so on fstab
[09:03] <mindamp> kandoora.. google.com
[09:03] <rob_p> mindamp:  It sounds like either your IMAP configuration is incorrect, or you have file or directory permission problems... Double check both.
[09:03] <thoreauputic> mindamp: that's the sort of anwer we discourage here
[09:03] <bytefoo> my graphics are slowwwwwwwww
[09:03] <mindamp> rob_p... i have
[09:03] <bytefoo> and i don't know why :-/
[09:03] <mindamp> its better than no answer
[09:03] <dvsoftwar> bytefoo: graphics drivers
[09:03] <bytefoo> i'm running fglrx
[09:03] <mindamp> or a "check your config" answer
[09:03] <thoreauputic> mindamp: adjust your attitude, olease
[09:03] <thoreauputic> *please
[09:04] <LaserLine> nevinm, damaged CD ?
[09:04] <bytefoo> actually...everything in gnome seems a bit sluggish
[09:04] <bytefoo> it's odd
[09:04] <nevinm> LaserLine: probably, or your system is chocking on the DMA... do you have a fairly recent system?
[09:04] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: is there a list of modems anywhere that ubu supports?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: not that I'm aware of
[09:05] <LaserLine> nevinm an old system... P3-600Mhz 256 MB RAM
[09:05] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: alrighty; what one are you using there?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: any serial external should work fine
[09:05] <Nalioth> apokryphos: yes in teh wiki is a hardware compat table
[09:05] <kandoora> thoreauputic: what are the dependencies that might worry me
[09:05] <bytefoo> but top reveals nothing
[09:05] <kandoora> is that something like registry stuff in windows
[09:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: acer something...
[09:05] <Grady> does anyone know if there are any known problems with Audigy2 Value in Ubuntu?
[09:05] <nevinm> LaserLine: its possible your IDE controller doesn't like DMA, OR you have a bad CD
[09:05] <Grady> can't get mine to work :(
[09:05] <nevinm> LaserLine: more likely its the disk
[09:05] <apokryphos> Nalioth: excellent; checking now.
[09:05] <LaserLine> nevinm, Ohh odd.... The erros happend before enabling the DMA....
[09:06] <ompaul> apokryphos, methinks that a ln  -s for /dev/ttys0 and /dev/modem is needed on hoary and as for supported serial is good - but other stuff might be linmodem related
[09:06] <thoreauputic> kandoora: well, any package usually depends on others - it depends if you see what I mean ;)
[09:06] <LaserLine> nevinm, any ideas where the error comes from at boot time ?
[09:06] <Kyral> Are there any other CD Image mirrors with the Colony 3 on them?
[09:06] <Kyral> this is going kinda slow..
[09:06] <thoreauputic> kandoora: you can type '  apt-cache depends ,packagename>  " to see
[09:07] <thoreauputic> whre packagename is what you want to install of course...
[09:07] <delire> this #ubuntu-unregged is a very dumb system.
[09:07] <thoreauputic> delire: hopefully temporary
[09:07] <delire> hmm
[09:07] <thoreauputic> delire: it's about bot defence
[09:07] <kandoora> thoreauputic:how do u install new softwares
[09:08] <ompaul> delire, stop the spam bots
[09:08] <apokryphos> Nalioth: under HardwareSupport? Can't see stuff for modems there
[09:08] <thoreauputic> kandoora: me personally?
[09:08] <delire> and fair enough. has their been a bot seige in here of late?
[09:08] <nevinm> LaserLine: I'm not sure, you'd have to look through your error logs to see where it came from.. and w/re to the DriveReady SeekComplete Error, its probably the CD (if its one CD that gives you the error) or a drive problem
[09:08] <kandoora> yes
[09:08] <thoreauputic> delire: yes
[09:08] <bytefoo> anyone have any suggestions on how to speed up gnome
[09:08] <delire> i've been away from here for a while.
[09:08] <mindamp> uh hem
[09:08] <LaserLine> nevinm what error logs should I check ?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> kandoora: I mostly use apt-get
[09:08] <Nalioth> apokryphos: then i guess it's off to tldp.org for their hardware compat list
[09:08] <thoreauputic> kandoora: I'm familiar with the commands
[09:08] <nevinm> LaserLine: dmesg would be a start
[09:09] <delire> bytefoo: using an alternative window manager is a good start. try openbox or another 'lite' window manager that supports gnome.
[09:09] <nevinm> LaserLine: just run "desg | less"
[09:09] <apokryphos> Nalioth: at linmodem; looks like it'll do. Will check that too
[09:09] <thoreauputic> kandoora: synaptic is a graphical front end to do the same thing
[09:09] <mindamp> whats the deal with courier-imap maildirs setup?
[09:09] <kandoora> what about time, i bet it is really slow to download
[09:09] <mindamp> does anyone know?
[09:09] <ompaul> delire, there was and is if you hang out in #ubuntu-offtopic you can see the results and they worse if you do not /umode +CE
[09:09] <nevinm> and by desg, I mean dmesg
[09:09] <delire> ompaul: interesting.
[09:09] <ompaul> mindamp, if someone knew they would tell ou
[09:09] <LaserLine> nevinm I down't undestand what it gives me... it's kinda chinese to me :D
[09:10] <Nalioth> mindamp. mind your manners
[09:10] <thoreauputic> kandoora: well, I installed kubuntu-desktop here (more than 100MB) but I let it run overnight ;)
[09:10] <delire> ompaul: i was just banned and called a clonebot an hour ago. funnily enough it was because one of my nic's was in Monitor mode. i took the nick down and could reconnect as usual.
[09:10] <nevinm> LaserLine: is there anything in there about your file/dir not found?
[09:10] <bytefoo> delire, i shouldn't have to use some less usable windows system with my hardware :-/
[09:10] <bytefoo> a 9700 should be fine :O
[09:10] <LaserLine> nevinm how do i search there?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> kandoora: btw use thor <hit tab> if you want me to see your posts
[09:11] <delire> ompaul: how my IRC client knew about this other nic resourcing loopback for packet capture i don't know.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> kandoora: tab comlete is your friend ;)
[09:11] <nevinm> LaserLine: in less, type "//dev/hdb<enter>"... then to search again, type "/<enter>"
[09:11] <delire> bytefoo: well on that system it should be very speedy. do you have hardware accelleration setup for that 9700?
[09:11] <kandoora> [DeV] NuLL,
[09:11] <bytefoo> delire, doesn't fglrx take care of that?
[09:11] <LaserLine> nevinm figured that out already - nope...
[09:11] <delire> bytefoo: is it working? 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[09:12] <mindamp> fucking idiots
[09:12] <bytefoo> yes
[09:12] <nevinm> LaserLine: sudo less /var/log/messages
[09:12] <mindamp> no wonder yall are using ubuntu
[09:12] <kandoora> how does this tab thing work
[09:12] <thoreauputic> mindamp: warning
[09:12] <delire> bytefoo: when you say slow, is there an operation in particular that is sluggish or can you safely say it's 'general'?
[09:13] <kandoora> [DeV] NuLL,
[09:13] <bytefoo> in general it appears sluggish
[09:13] <bytefoo> some of the screensavers appear very slow
[09:13] <delire> bytefoo: hmm strange.
[09:13] <thoreauputic> kandoora: just type the first few letters <tab>
[09:13] <vedasisme> Hi, I downloaded the powerpc ubuntu and put the .iso on the cd, but it doesn't install when I restart the comp with the cd in the drive
[09:13] <kandoora> thoreauputic: what does tab do
[09:13] <bytefoo> and dragging windows and such slows down, as does rendering some websites after the box has been up
[09:13] <thoreauputic> you just did ti, didn't you?
[09:13] <kandoora> i'm getting [DeV] NuLL,
[09:13] <thoreauputic> *it
[09:13] <LaserLine> nevinm nope, nothing there (now I'm sure my CDROM is hdb)....
[09:14] <thoreauputic> kandoora: try thor <tab>
[09:14] <kandoora> thor [DeV] NuLL
[09:14] <nevinm> LaserLine: as far as I can tell, the error message is spurious and inconsequential
[09:14] <bytefoo> can't wait for cairo :)
[09:14] <vedasisme> can someone help me?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> kandoora: erm...
[09:14] <delire> bytefoo: something is definitely wrong in that case. i don't use Gnome often so can't assist. many friends run it on far worse hardware and it performs well. i would ask in #gnome
[09:14] <kandoora> thoreauputic,
[09:14] <bytefoo> ok thanks
[09:14] <LaserLine> nevinm but it happens every boot....
[09:14] <delire> bytefoo: yes cairo will be super
[09:14] <bobbyd> hi
[09:14] <thoreauputic> kandoora: was that a tab complete?
[09:15] <kandoora> yep
[09:15] <bytefoo> i saw a video of someones laptop running xgl and it looked wicked
[09:15] <bytefoo> and the hardware was near 4 years old
[09:15] <nevinm> LaserLine: it might not be hdparm that's throwing the error... is there anything printed before the message that leads you to believe it is hdparm?
[09:15] <bobbyd> is the ssh deamon in ubuntu configured to drop connections if they're inactive? my connection keeps getting dropped if I don't use it...
[09:15] <DVSoftware> somebody prays for me?
[09:15] <LaserLine> nevinm I noticed that playing audio cd's with the gnome-cd (default settings) is laggy... the musiuc stopps and continues. with and without DMA support
[09:15] <delire> bytefoo: do you have the link? i'm looking for some vids on xgl
[09:15] <thoreauputic> kandoora: OK - you do the same in a shell (like gnome-terminal etc) to complete things
[09:16] <vedasisme> hey can someone help me?
[09:16] <nevinm> LaserLine: can you move the drive to the secondary controller? how many dirves do you have (cd and hd)
[09:16] <LaserLine> nevinm it's a few lines after the "starting ubuntu linux" after grub. right after mounting the /devs...
[09:16] <thoreauputic> !+ask
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[09:16] <delire> vedasisme: just ask
[09:16] <LaserLine> nevinm it's a laptop (one HD and one DVD)
[09:16] <kandoora> thoreauputic: with all your guidance i will now log on to ubuntu and try to log on to the net
[09:16] <kandoora> thanx a million
[09:16] <nevinm> LaserLine: did you put the cdrom drive in fstab yourself?
[09:16] <apokryphos> vedasisme: did you burn it as an image; you can't just plonk the ISO in there
[09:16] <vedasisme> i did >_>
[09:16] <thoreauputic> kandoora: good luck! And welcome :-)
[09:16] <LaserLine> nevinm nope, i found it there...
[09:17] <bytefoo> delire, http://rapidshare.de/files/4553011/xgl_wanking.avi.html
[09:17] <vedasisme> I downloaded the powerpc ubuntu and put the .iso on the cd, but it doesn't install when I restart the comp with the cd in the drive
[09:17] <LaserLine> nevinm what would happend if i comment it out ?
[09:17] <bytefoo> man yeah, and just opening up firefox isn't snappy
[09:17] <bytefoo> it should just pop up i would think :|
[09:17] <delire> bytefoo: well if you sent it in an email spamassassin would chew the URL ;)
[09:17] <vedasisme> ok
[09:17] <vedasisme> how do I burn an image?
[09:17] <Nalioth> vedasisme: which iso?
[09:17] <nevinm> LaserLine: the CD automounter would probably break...
[09:17] <delire> bytefoo: FF is slow to start on all platforms
[09:18] <nevinm> LaserLine: does the line in fstab contain "noauto"?
[09:18] <Nalioth> vedasisme: use k3b
[09:18] <apokryphos> vedasisme: from windows, use Nero
[09:18] <vedasisme> I downloaded the "ubuntu-5.04-install-powerpc.iso"
[09:18] <DVSoftware> vedasisme: you are running mac, do you/
[09:18] <DVSoftware> ?
[09:18] <Xappe> vedasisme: you have to make the comp to boot from cd...usually done by holding down the "d"-button iirc
[09:18] <vedasisme> I am running mac
[09:18] <DVSoftware> then i can't help you really
[09:18] <apokryphos> vedasisme: use your burning software and specify that you want to create a CD Image
[09:18] <DVSoftware> :S
[09:19] <LaserLine> nevinm "/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,nouto 0 0"
[09:19] <Nalioth> vedasisme: Xappe: it's the "C" button right after the chime
[09:19] <LaserLine> nevinm thats the line in fstab
[09:19] <vbgunz> hello everyone!
[09:19] <apokryphos> vedasisme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[09:19] <vedasisme> ok....so I should download k3b and use it to burn the .iso as an image to the cd?
[09:19] <Xappe> Nalioth: ah, only did it once to get ubuntu there...now I can use yaboot for cd-boot
[09:19] <nevinm> LaserLine: looks like ubuntu is trying to mount the cd or something at boot... no idea why it would do so
[09:19] <apokryphos> vedasisme: no; you can't use K3b on there as it is. Check that howto on how to burn the ISO
[09:20] <Nalioth> Xappe: well now you know "C" = cdrom
[09:20] <ompaul> vedasisme, which disk is the burner?>
[09:20] <Nalioth> vedasisme: yes, that will work fine
[09:20] <Xappe> Nalioth: yep
[09:20] <vedasisme> ok....
[09:20] <Nalioth> vedasisme: make sure your md5  sums match what is on the download page
[09:20] <kemik> !recovergrub
[09:20] <ubotu> kemik: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:20] <kemik> !recover
[09:20] <ubotu> I guess recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:20] <vbgunz> anyone know how to get XINE to unlock the cdrom? I've noticed XINE doesn't play nice and keeps the device busy
[09:20] <LaserLine> nevinm and what about the laggy audio ? any idea ?
[09:20] <vedasisme> md5?
[09:21] <apokryphos> vbgunz: if it's still running, then just kill it
[09:21] <vbgunz> no it's not
[09:21] <mjr> vbgunz, killall -9 xine
[09:21] <vbgunz> its really got me boggled
[09:21] <ompaul> sudo cdrecord -pad -eject -speed=8 dev=/dev/hd*  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <--- is a working example of a command line where * is your hdd for the burner
[09:21] <DVSoftware> vbgunz: killall xine :D
[09:21] <nevinm> because both drives are on the same controller, it's probably choking up (especially if you're swapping to the drive)
[09:21] <vbgunz> I tried killall xine
[09:21] <mjr> DVSoftware, xine usually needs -9 when misbehaving :I
[09:21] <vbgunz> I will try killall -9 xine
[09:21] <delire> bytefoo: for a FF speedup generally speaking see this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8004
[09:21] <DVSoftware> vbgunz: lsof|grep cdrom
[09:21] <DVSoftware> and then kill -9 pid
[09:21] <ompaul> s/hdd/hda-d for the the burner :-/
[09:21] <apokryphos> vbgunz: and ps aux|grep xine  ...to see if it's still running background
[09:22] <Snadder> anyone know about a nice grafical ftp client.. which supports ssl?
[09:22] <LaserLine> nevinm so what do you recommend ?
[09:22] <DVSoftware> gftp maybe?
[09:22] <Snadder> DVSoftware, does it supports ssl?
[09:22] <DVSoftware> dunno
[09:22] <fgw45> is there a way to check which version of java i have installed on ubuntu?
[09:22] <vbgunz> ok... just one more thing... anyone know how I can automatically log if possible this entire conversation? I often need to backtrack who helps me and what I do as I don't always remember it off hand
[09:22] <DVSoftware> i'm using konqueror for my ftp needs
[09:22] <fgw45> (if any)
[09:23] <DVSoftware> fgw45: there is no java installed
[09:23] <nevinm> LaserLine: there's not a whole lot you can do, your system probably isn't robust enough to handle all that apps you may be running.. or so it would seem
[09:23] <fgw45> thanks :D
[09:23] <LaserLine> nevinm VLC plays prefectly - this is kinda wierd...
[09:23] <Cyber-shot> hi hi all
[09:23] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: in xchat, you can enable logging in settings - you'll find the logs in ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs
[09:23] <nevinm> LaserLine: that it is...
[09:23] <Cyber-shot> how to uninstall in ubuntu
[09:24] <Nalioth> vbgunz: see /topic about logs
[09:24] <DVSoftware> Cyber-shot: synaptic
[09:24] <nevinm> LaserLine: what cd playing app?
[09:24] <LaserLine> nevinm I noticed another problem (this is a fresh ubuntu installation) I got the usuall EXT3 errors i used to get on boot time, even though the system shut down properly...
[09:24] <LaserLine> nevinm the default gnome-cd app
[09:24] <vbgunz> thanks a bill fellas... will try to troubleshoot xine at the moment and will then hopefully quick enough get to saving this conversation
[09:25] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: as Nalioth said, you can find the logs at the /topic URL too
[09:25] <kayfelix> hello - any peeps with in depth kubuntu knowledge who could help me?
[09:25] <nevinm> LaserLine: your IDE controller may be failing..
[09:25] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: just ask - someone will probably know
[09:25] <LaserLine> nevinm for the ext3 errors ??
[09:26] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: also try #kubuntu
[09:26] <vbgunz> thanks!
[09:26] <vbgunz> am trying to get xine to lock up a dvd on purpose...
[09:26] <kayfelix> ok thanks! didnt know there was a kubuntu room
[09:26] <nevinm> LaserLine: it could be, it seems you're having a fair number of problems with your hd and dvd drives...
[09:26] <apokryphos> it's best for only kde-related questions... but anyway.
[09:27] <vbgunz> man xine no longer wants to lock up... it knows I've got help troubleshooting the issue ;)
[09:27] <LaserLine> nevinm needs a elektromagnet to kill this laptop 1
[09:27] <chrismy> yoyoyo
[09:28] <nevinm> LaserLine: I'm sorry I can't be of more help, your problem seems to be hard to identify
[09:28] <uthini> !tablet
[09:28] <ubotu> uthini: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:28] <LaserLine> nevinm this is the 3rd time i install ubuntu
[09:28] <LaserLine> nevinm and yesterday i wiped the drive, and low-level formatted it............
[09:29] <nevinm> LaserLine:  I'd try to see if you can find any tools to verify the quality of your IDE controller
[09:29] <LaserLine> nevinm I did that check yesterday also - and it was good.
[09:29] <slept> LaserLine, what is your problem ?
[09:30] <kayfelix> ok, i have a biggish problem but for the moment I need the solution to a simple part of it - how do I get the KERNEL-SOURCE for my UBUNTU system? what is the command line sequence?
[09:31] <ompaul> apokryphos, who said it was?
[09:31] <Sionide> apokryphos, technixlly synaptic is just a front-end for apt... i use synaptic, it's easier :P
[09:31] <Riddell> kayfelix: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12
[09:31] <blopalt> someone that can help an newbe in linux?
[09:32] <apokryphos> ompaul: at least the third person to ask about getting kernel-sources today
[09:32] <Sionide> blopalt, i'll do my best - ask away
[09:32] <Nalioth> kayfelix: use synaptic
[09:32] <Nalioth> kayfelix: search for "kernel"
[09:32] <Nalioth> blopalt: ask
[09:32] <ompaul> !tell blopalt about  ask
[09:32] <kayfelix> "E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.12"
[09:32] <Riddell> delire: what was?
[09:32] <apokryphos> Riddell: that's only in breezy
[09:32] <Riddell> kayfelix: replace for appropriate linux version
[09:32] <LaserLine> slept 1. the most important is I recieve INODE and EXT3 erros on boot one to many times... even after a complete shutdown. note that I lowlevel formated the drive yesterday and ran almost every tool on UBCD to varify that the drive and IDE controller are good, the  checks said they were good. 2. i recieve /dev/hdb file or directory not found on boot (5th line) 3. gnome-cd plays laggy CD audio, while all other multimedia apps - Totem, VLC, play good
[09:32] <LaserLine> sound.
[09:32] <ompaul> apokryphos, and so the audience widens
[09:32] <blopalt> aha
[09:32] <kayfelix> Nalioth: where do I find synaptec?
[09:32] <blopalt> how to install rpm files?
[09:32] <kayfelix> Riddell: what command do i use to figgure out what linux verision i have?
[09:32] <Sionide> blopalt, my attention span is not long - ask question quickly
[09:33] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you tried reiserfs?
[09:33] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell blopalt about alien
[09:33] <Sionide> blopalt, use the command "alien"
[09:33] <blopalt> used alien
[09:33] <Nalioth> kayfelix: in kde, click the "K" and click on "run program"
[09:33] <Sionide> apokryphos, is the bot dead?
[09:33] <ridejib> any e17 experts in here?
[09:33] <apokryphos> Sionide: nope, quite alive
[09:33] <bur[n] er> kayfelix: uname -a
[09:33] <Nalioth> kayfelix: type gksudo synaptic   in the blank
[09:33] <blopalt> how to install deb files tehn?
[09:33] <DVSoftware> Riddell: what about e17?
[09:33] <LaserLine> DVSoftware nope. I chose the default Ubuntu Installation.
[09:33] <ompaul> blopalt, have you checked out if a native version exists?
[09:33] <Sionide> blopalt, dpkg
[09:33] <Sionide> dpkg -i file.deb
[09:33] <Sionide> is the command..
[09:33] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: try reiserfs
[09:33] <DVSoftware> it's rock solid on my machines
[09:33] <LaserLine> DVSoftware how do i do that ?
[09:34] <DVSoftware> at partitioner tool
[09:34] <DVSoftware> choose use as reiserfs
[09:34] <ridejib> DVSoftware: i was wondering if there was a way to alter the window focusing. It bugs me that I need to click the titlebar to bring a window to the front, rather than any part of the window
[09:34] <DVSoftware> Sionide: it's nothing wrong with it
[09:34] <LaserLine> DVSoftware - I don't want to reformat, I'll break the damn laptop.
[09:34] <blopalt> i used dpkg but think I used it wrong....w8
[09:34] <DVSoftware> but in my opinion reiserfs is a lot faster and more secure
[09:34] <Sionide> ridejib, i don't have that problem?
[09:35] <DVSoftware> ridejib: dunno really
[09:35] <thoreauputic> blopalt:  sudo dpkg -i <package>
[09:35] <delire> Riddell: they've made an incredibly stripped back version of KDE. it uses openbox as a window manager. fast and light for low end machines.
[09:35] <Sionide> ridejib, ohh on e17, yeah.. *shrug*
[09:35] <delire> Riddell: seems they are competing with xfce
[09:35] <LaserLine> THAT'S IT - I HATE MY LAPTOP !!!!!!!!1
[09:35] <Sionide> xfce wins in my book
[09:35] <Sionide> delire, what's it called?
[09:35] <ridejib> Sionide / DVSoftware : thanks. Appreciate the effort at least.
[09:35] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you won't break it
[09:35] <kayfelix> linux-source was what i needed, not kernel-source - apt-cache search linux-source was successful, thanks
[09:35] <Sionide> LaserLine, linux-on-laptops.com
[09:35] <delire> Sionide: 'KDE Light' apparently. http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=425&slide=1&title=kde+light+4.2.0+screenshots
[09:36] <Sionide> delire, at least it's not KDE "lite" :/
[09:36] <LaserLine> I just reboot (no changes) and I recieved that some files are broken ?????????
[09:36] <apokryphos> an abomination!
[09:36] <slept> LaserLine, edit the partition table get some space for your system make that lvm , you have to keep a normal patition for boot put reiser on the lvm and then resize lvm to full space
[09:36] <Sionide> heh, the light from coca cola light :p
[09:36] <delire> Sionide: http://www.gnulinux.de/pocketlinux/index.php/Main/WhyKDELight
[09:36] <delire> Sionide: agreed ;)
[09:36] <LaserLine> slept, that's too complicated, I tried today - i didn't understand a thing.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: Ksaccharine perhaps ? *g*
[09:37] <Kyral> !ati
[09:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[09:37] <apokryphos> delire: noticed some time ago; to be frank, it seems to me like a DE where they're GNOME users using KDE
[09:37] <TTilus> slept: can you resize reiser partitions?
[09:37] <slept> LaserLine, it's easy, I'll explain
[09:37] <blopalt> ah...just find the solution my self....just wrong dir
[09:37] <slept> TTilus, enlarging is no problem, I never wanted to shrink
[09:37] <slept> reiser 3
[09:37] <blopalt> but thx anyway
[09:37] <delire> apokryphos: though this is targetting low spec machines, even 'pocket' devices.
[09:38] <h08817> is it possible for your hd to completely stop working from installing operating systems too many times?
[09:38] <h0sl3r> Whats a good TV application for my tv card?
[09:38] <LaserLine> slept listening....
[09:38] <emile> h0sl3r: tvtime is a good tv app
[09:38] <Xappe> h0sl3r: tvtime
[09:38] <h0sl3r> ok
[09:38] <slept> LaserLine, you can use gparted to make a new partition if things are broken allready you can't mess them up to bad
[09:38] <TTilus> slept: how come i believed it's not possible at all
[09:39] <Nalioth> h0sl3r: theoretically, yes, but you'd havta install quite a few
[09:39] <bliggy> hello... i was wondering how I could go about seeking support for my older graphics card?
[09:39] <Nalioth> h0sl3r: sorry
[09:39] <shamim25> hello everyone
[09:39] <TTilus> mm, could it be that i've mixed up hot-resize and resize in general
[09:39] <shamim25> can any one help me about compiling ns2
[09:39] <slept> TTilus, don't know you didn't try ? try resize.reiserfs. did that many times
[09:39] <Nalioth> h08817: : theoretically, yes, but you'd havta install quite a few
[09:39] <LaserLine> slept I have gparted. but should I make the partitions on the start ?
[09:40] <sandis> Hi there! could anybody help me with this nasty hald bug? It seems, that there is no solution on bugzilla -> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1891
[09:40] <Nalioth> shamim25: what is ns2 and is it available in the repos?
[09:40] <shamim25> network simulator 2
[09:40] <TTilus> slept: yes, i know now, and it seems i've mixed different kinds of resizing
[09:40] <shamim25> i dont think it is available in repos
[09:40] <shamim25> even debian does not have it
[09:40] <h08817> Nalioth: can u give me an example number b/c i have installed windows ALOT!!! on this one hd due to viruses and stuff then i installed linux 2 times and now i turned it on the other day and it couldn't find certain sectors
[09:40] <LaserLine> When I ment break, I meant the really break the damn thing..........
[09:41] <blopalt> when I installed the program it did not show up under applications....where did it go?
[09:41] <TTilus> hot-resize (growing and shrinking mounted partition) is the rare capability found only from (wasit) XFS or something that way...
[09:41] <h0sl3r> Is there an easy way to make my desktop look better on a non-flatscreen tv monitor?
[09:42] <slept> LaserLine, first you have to make partitions, make enough space that you can copy your system
[09:42] <TTilus> h0sl3r: define "better"
[09:42] <h0sl3r> TTilus: Everything is hard to read and stuff
[09:42] <vedasisme> Ok, I imaged the .iso and burned it as a .dmg to a cd, now what?
[09:43] <LaserLine> slept, now I get: "WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.10-6-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-maestro3.ko Input/output error or a diffrent error wuch says "no suchh device"
[09:43] <TTilus> h0sl3r: ahh.. tried to bring screen resolution down?
[09:43] <slept> LaserLine, if you have that partition you have to make it lvm
[09:43] <blopalt> when i install a program from an deb file and it dont show up under aplications, where is it?
[09:43] <slept> LaserLine, ???? whats up with your sound ?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> vedasisme: erm - you need to burn the iso directly as an ISO image
[09:43] <h0sl3r> TTilus: Did that, but its still hard to use.
[09:43] <DVSoftware> w00t -  "       ."
[09:43] <LaserLine> slept sound works....that's the funny thing!
[09:44] <thoreauputic> vedasisme: .dmg is a mac thing
[09:44] <LaserLine> slept, I just rebooted and recieved this error.
[09:44] <Xappe> DVSoftware: yep, that was quite annoying
[09:44] <TTilus> h0sl3r: Q&D way is to drop close enough to PAL (or whatever it happens to be) reso
[09:44] <vedasisme> argh
[09:44] <DVSoftware> what the heck that means o_O
[09:44] <slept> LaserLine, did you install lot of things, is your system well customized ?
[09:44] <kayfelix> is it normal that I cant open file:///usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 - not a read error - but a zip error - is that normal with this file?
[09:44] <Xappe> DVSoftware: even more when you repeated it ;)
[09:44] <delire> vedasisme: are you on a mac?
[09:45] <vedasisme> so in the disk utility, do I just click on the .iso in the sidebar and click burn?
[09:45] <DVSoftware> kayfelix: it's bzip2
[09:45] <LaserLine> slept, I started to work on this laptop today ay 16:00 and now it's 22:45 after I finished installing all my software, I recieve this error !! ack!
[09:45] <DVSoftware> not zip
[09:45] <vedasisme> yes, mac
[09:45] <TTilus> h0sl3r: you can also tune DPO
[09:45] <TTilus> s/DPO/DPI
[09:45] <LaserLine> slept Yes, I installed quite a bit of software...
[09:45] <Nalioth> vedasisme: correct
[09:45] <LaserLine> slept, And it's well customized.
[09:45] <kayfelix> DVSoftware i know what it is, but Kubuntu wont open it, it just takes a long time and then eventually crashes
[09:45] <slept> LaserLine, maybe you got a conflict with your irq's
[09:45] <delire> vedasisme: i forget how right now but you need to tell your burning software not to burn *.dmg's and burn *.iso ;)
[09:45] <h0sl3r> TTilus: i dont know how to do that.
[09:46] <delire> vedasisme: for some reason (typical mac) it doesn't ask ;)
[09:46] <LaserLine> slept IRQ's ?
[09:46] <vedasisme> so what should I do?
[09:46] <LaserLine> slept I didn't change any IRQ's...
[09:46] <delire> vedasisme: look for the burning preferences for that session and ensure you choose ISO (and not DMG).
[09:47] <h0sl3r> Lasterline: sometimes your motherboard bios messes stuff up. Try making the bios use linux and not itself or whatever.
[09:47] <delire> vedasisme: ISO9660 is a cross platform standard file system supporting bootable media.
[09:47] <LaserLine> slept The only thing in my BIOS  is "Protect Device Configuration" on NO (wich means the system can change BIOS sttings...
[09:47] <Nalioth> delire: not necessary, just choose "burn image" from the drop down menu
[09:47] <vedasisme> ok
[09:47] <slept> LaserLine, bios settings . while booting have a look if there is the same irq assigned to two cards, maybe you can change that in the bios
[09:47] <vbgunz> thanks eveyone... I couldn't get xine to lock the cdrom but if it does lock up, I have some advice. Thanks!
[09:47] <vedasisme> and is there anything special i have to do while rebooting?
[09:47] <TTilus> h0sl3r: i've got "DisplaySize     398 297" on the Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:48] <delire> Nalioth: on what Mac software?
[09:48] <slept> LaserLine, let the system do that
[09:48] <h0sl3r> TTilus: is that what I need to change mine to?
[09:48] <TTilus> h0sl3r: that sets the physical size of your monitor
[09:48] <h0sl3r> oh
[09:48] <Nalioth> delire: last time i looked on osx
[09:48] <LaserLine> slept where to look ?
[09:48] <Nalioth> delire: i've never had a prblm burning isos in osx
[09:48] <h0sl3r> TTilus: what is that measured in?
[09:49] <TTilus> h0sl3r: not really have to, but it helps you to tune font sizes and stuff
[09:49] <slept> LaserLine, on my system there is a small box while booting
[09:49] <TTilus> h0sl3r: millimetres
[09:49] <delire> vedasisme: Nalioth suggests that there is an option to "burn image' on a Mac. in the drop down menu.
[09:49] <LaserLine> slept I know, the POST - I don't have one of those...
[09:49] <thoreauputic> vedasisme: on reboot, hold down " c"
[09:49] <Sionide> delire, xfce wins for me..
[09:50] <vedasisme> ok
[09:50] <davro> what would be the best way to encrypt a single text file, for later usage.
[09:50] <vedasisme> brb
[09:50] <slept> LaserLine, I would change to reiserfs , but I don't know if that will help
[09:50] <thoreauputic> vedasisme: to boot from CD...
[09:50] <Nalioth> vedasisme: delire: in Disk Utility
[09:50] <delire> Sionide: ok great.
[09:50] <TTilus> h0sl3r: after setting that if you select a font to be 14pt it really _is_ 14pt on your screen
[09:50] <LaserLine> slept, I enabled "Protect Device Configuration" in the BIOS, and disabled the IR port in the BIOS (i don't use it)
[09:51] <LaserLine> slept, why did you ask if i installed much software?
[09:51] <h0sl3r> TTilus; How do I change font size?
[09:51] <slept> LaserLine, because if it's not much you can just install once again with reiserfs
[09:51] <TTilus> h0sl3r: font preferences, it's on system -> settings -> ...
[09:51] <h0sl3r> ok
[09:52] <delire> davro: i use gnupg for such tasks
[09:52] <TTilus> h0sl3r: or something like that, i've got this thingie in finnish, so i'm not exactly sure about the translations
[09:52] <linuxboy> where can I get the defauly sources.list for hoary?
[09:52] <Nalioth> davro: a gui frontend to gnupg would be kgpg, or seahorse (not so good)
[09:52] <slept> LaserLine, to keep your settings copy /etc and do dpkg --get-selections > installed.packages
[09:52] <slept> linuxboy, apt-setup
[09:53] <kayfelix> I have the LINUX-SOURCE now, but its missing version.h in .../include/linux - what did I do wrong?
[09:53] <DVSoftware> kayfelix: you need linux-headers
[09:53] <h0sl3r> ok
[09:53] <LaserLine> slept - I now run Kernel in recovery mode and have INODE 896097 is in use erros, and fsck assks me to fix manualy...
[09:53] <BeerMann^drunk> oh dear
[09:53] <linuxboy> slept: nope
[09:53] <DVSoftware> not linux source
[09:53] <davro> slaps him self across the face with own hand,   cheers Nalioth
[09:53] <LaserLine> slept, what flags should I run fsck with ?
[09:53] <kayfelix> ok thanks....
[09:54] <Shacham> how can i hide my IP address in GAIM?
[09:54] <DVSoftware> Shacham: you can't
[09:54] <budluva> anyone here familiar with dvdauthor?
[09:55] <TTilus> Shacham: define "hide"
[09:55] <Shacham> DVSoftware, why?
[09:55] <budluva> im trying to make my dvdauthor.xml and was wondering if i have to add the chapters= variable or can i just leave it out?
[09:56] <Shacham> TTilus, other ICQ users can see my IP, so i want to hide it from them
[09:56] <DVSoftware> Shacham: because you can't just hide ip
[09:56] <slept> LaserLine, I have not much expirience with ext3, worked very poor for me but I know there is an option to check everything maybe an -f
[09:56] <LaserLine> slept that's what I did....
[09:56] <NoelCower> happy day, i got amarok working
[09:57] <LaserLine> slept, Assuming I'm going to wipe the whole damn drive **Again** with UBCD, what should I do when inserting the Ubunu Installation CD ?
[09:57] <TTilus> Shacham: hiding your ip that way would be like wanting your buddies to call you but not telling your telephone number to anyone
[09:57] <davro> Nalioth: kgpg looks good, cheers.
[09:57] <vbgunz> does anyone here have any idea as to why my bash history doesn't really have every command I ever put into it?
[09:57] <TTilus> Shacham: being able to communicate with you implies knowing your ip, thus unavoidable when communicating
[09:58] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you need to put reiserfs instead of ext3
[09:58] <Nalioth> davro: if you use konqueror as a file mangler, there's checkmarks in kgpg to add 'encrypt this' to your context menu
[09:58] <Shacham> TTilus, when i used a Windows ICQ client i could hide it
[09:58] <LaserLine> DVSoftware and how do I choose that ???
[09:58] <slept> LaserLine, go to a term , do not mount the drive , then do the fschk
[09:58] <Nalioth> vbgunz: cuz you have a line limit to the history file
[09:58] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: in ubuntu partitioner
[09:58] <DVSoftware> choose custom partitioning
[09:58] <vbgunz> I currently have about maybe 50 lines in it
[09:58] <DVSoftware> and select filesystem
[09:59] <vbgunz> how do I increase to inifinite?
[09:59] <vbgunz> I find learning linux kind of hard if I can't keep track of what I do... can you help?
[09:59] <LaserLine> DVSoftware did that...
[09:59] <TTilus> Shacham: still the other end actually knows your ip, and it is perfectly visible with "netstat -n" but the client just doesn't show it directly if the other end asks, its not really hiding
[09:59] <TTilus> Shacham: obscurity, not hiding
[10:00] <djp> anyone use compmgr?
[10:00] <slept> LaserLine, -c -D and of cause -v
[10:00] <Shacham> TTilus, ok
[10:00] <Shacham> thx
[10:00] <ColonelKernel> you know, whoever's brainchild it was to not let regged nicks join this, it really screws things up big time for people who auto-join this channel and auto-register
[10:00] <ColonelKernel> not let unregged I mean
[10:01] <LaserLine> slept what does -D and -v do ?
[10:01] <kayfelix> hey does someone in this room have              Realtek AC'97 soundcard onboard? because I cannot get mine working in ubuntu, even after trying to install the drivers - all I got was "configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel."
[10:01] <slept> LaserLine, -v is verbose an -D is some optimization thing
[10:01] <djp> just wanted to know if an accelerated card is important in using compmgr for drop shadows under hoary? or would it run equally as well with a standard nv driver and a 32mb geforce2 card?
[10:02] <delire> djp: it would make it useable, yes
[10:02] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: what client do you use?
[10:03] <delire> djp: a geforce2 with direct rendering should be fine albeit
[10:03] <LaserLine> DVStore I still don't understand how to partition the drive, It might be stupid, but I tried to do that TODAY before installing Ubuntu for the 3rd time.
[10:03] <kayfelix> I would appreciate it alot if someone could walk me through and show me how to troubleshoot my sound problem...
[10:03] <ColonelKernel> i use xchat
[10:03] <TTilus> ColonelKernel: why don't you add regging to your irc client startup?
[10:03] <Nalioth> LaserLine: do you run windows on the box you want ubuntu on?
[10:03] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth,
[10:03] <djp> delire: so no need for the proprietry nvidia driver in that case, right?
[10:03] <delire> kayfelix: what is the problem?
[10:03] <LaserLine> Nalioth - nope, it's a clean Linux box.
[10:03] <kayfelix> AC'97 Realtek - its not working for me
[10:03] <ColonelKernel> TTilus, I DID add it - it doesnt register at the speed of light
[10:04] <ColonelKernel> it auto reg and auto login here,
[10:04] <kayfelix> delire: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50509&page=1 this seems to be my problem but I still cant fix it.
[10:04] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: you may be able to script it (or set) so it doesnt join the channels right away (allowing nickserv to be happily interacted with)
[10:04] <djp> thanks delire
[10:04] <delire> djp: not necessarily at all. though the proprietary nvidia driver is very good, the direct rendering with the open source drivers are just fine.
[10:04] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, how?
[10:04] <Nalioth> LaserLine: 2 partitions one root (/) and one swap
[10:04] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you are chatting from that computer?
[10:04] <DVSoftware> or you have another box?
[10:04] <delire> kayfelix: i'm looking at that page now.
[10:04] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: not sure, i'd ask in #xchat
[10:05] <TTilus> ColonelKernel: bulky way would be to do something (anything) time-consuming between regging and join  :)
[10:05] <LaserLine> DVSoftware nope, from my Windows Desktop.
[10:05] <kayfelix> delire: downloaded the driver / codec - run the ./configure - downloaded linux-headers and linux-sources - run ./configure again and got "configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel." and thats where im up to now.
[10:05] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: then start installation and i will try to guide through
[10:05] <ColonelKernel> yeah well since this is the ubuntu channel, i'd think the ops would want the channel to be ubuntu-friendly
[10:05] <ColonelKernel> maybe im wrong
[10:05] <delire> kayfelix: can you 'play /usr/share/sounds/login.wav'?
[10:06] <DVSoftware> privmsg me
[10:06] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: yes, if you dont ahve your xchat primed to autojoin, just connect to freenode and surf a couple of webpages
[10:06] <delire> kayfelix: type 'alsamixer' and ensure that *both* pcm and wav are up to 50%
[10:06] <mcphail> ColonelKernel: If you find a way to do this, let me know ;)
[10:06] <delire> kayfelix: or whatever mixer you like to use..
[10:06] <LaserLine> DVSoftware OK.
[10:06] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: atm, the channel is bot-unfriendly (they are living in #ubuntu-unregged by the hordes)
[10:07] <delire> kayfelix: you're driver are all loaded just fine.
[10:07] <ColonelKernel> mcphail, Im not even going to try. If the channel ops dont want the channel to be ubuntu-friendly its their call.
[10:07] <kayfelix> delire: alsamixer, PCM & Master at 52 for both channels and non-mute
[10:07] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: then come back and join your channels
[10:07] <Snadder> how can I give another use access to sudo to root?
[10:07] <Snadder> user*
[10:07] <slept> visudo
[10:07] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, no thanks
[10:07] <kayfelix> delire:
[10:07] <kayfelix> root@toaster:/usr/share/sounds # aplay pop.wav
[10:07] <kayfelix> Playing WAVE 'pop.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[10:07] <kayfelix> but no sound at all.
[10:07] <delire> kayfelix: killall esd
[10:07] <ColonelKernel> what sound card
[10:08] <LaserLine> DVStore - Shoud I select Protected Device Configuration in the Bios as YES or NO ?
[10:08] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: if the ops opened the channel up, there'd be thousands of bots in here
[10:08] <kayfelix> AC'97 RealTek
[10:08] <kayfelix> root@toaster:/usr/share/sounds # killall esd
[10:08] <kayfelix> esd: no process killed
[10:08] <delire> kayfelix: you have all the drivers for that card loaded. something else is the problem.
[10:08] <DVSoftware> errm
[10:08] <Nalioth> Snadder: how familiar with *nix are you?
[10:08] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, didnt seem to have this problem a week ago
[10:08] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: i don't think so
[10:08] <delire> kayfelix: are you sure you have the speakers plugged into the right output port of the sound card ;)
[10:08] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: the bots weren't attacking a week ago
[10:08] <LaserLine> DVSoftware, so I leave it as OFF..
[10:09] <Snadder> Nalioth, kinda familar.. just tell me what I need to add to /etc/sudoers
[10:09] <Snadder> hm.
[10:09] <kayfelix> delire: lol, didnt touch it since i deleted the windows partition - and it worked then.
[10:09] <DVSoftware> 58% [1097 xfonts-base 894416/5646kB 15%]                                              326kB/s 34m58s
[10:09] <delire> kayfelix: what desktop environment are you running? also, are you running hoary or breezy?
[10:09] <Nalioth> Snadder: you dont add anything to sudoers
[10:09] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, thats super weak - what kind of asshole makes loads of bots to attack a linux channel
[10:09] <DVSoftware> if this mirror was just a little faster :s
[10:09] <Nalioth> Snadder: you use "visudo"
[10:09] <LaserLine> DVStore - I got the UBUNTU installation scree... "type server or press ENTER" ... I press ENTER..
[10:10] <kayfelix> delire: newest kubuntu i could download
[10:10] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: they're not attacking this channel. they're attacking the whole freenode network
[10:10] <kayfelix> delire: hoary hedgehog or something like that
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> oh lovely
[10:10] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: tell me when you are at disk partiton screen ok?
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> well you can probably thank abusive ops in other channels for that
[10:10] <Snadder> Nalioth, well.. ok.. forget it then.. I hate using vim
[10:10] <bur[n] er> anyone use kqemu kernel module in ubuntu?
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> they couldnt do that forever without expecting some kind of repercussions
[10:10] <Nalioth> Snadder: only way to add to sudoers, i'm afraid
[10:11] <LaserLine> DVSoftware You recommend I wipe the whole drive or just reinstall ?
[10:11] <delire> kayfelix: go into the kde configuration center and ensure that you are using ALSA. switch of ARTS altogether. try to play the sound again.
[10:11] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you have to wipe it in order to change filesystem from ext3 to reiser
[10:11] <Nalioth> Snadder: you might try the system > admin > users and groups and see if you can do it from there
[10:11] <vbgunz> my irc  chat logging doesn't work... I have this set up as the log name "%n-%c cr87ys.log" so I can search for the unique string "cr87ys" but I can't find it... I also tried to tell it to go to /home/irclog.log but that doesn't work... What could I be doing wrong?
[10:11] <kayfelix> delire: ARTS?
[10:11] <LaserLine> DVSoftware ok.
[10:12] <delire> Snadder: if you are using KDE you can manipulate the sudoers groups from the configuration center.
[10:12] <LaserLine> DVSoftware !!Partition Disks
[10:12] <kayfelix> delire: system beep is beeping my HIFI so lineout from the soundcard _is_ working.
[10:12] <delire> kayfelix: yes, the KDE sound server (soon to be retired for ever)
[10:12] <Snadder> ok.. thanks. guess i'll find out now:)
[10:12] <djp> delire: do i nedd to install the nvidia-glx package in order to enable direct rendering or can i enable it for the default nv driver?
[10:12] <mcphail> Nalioth: Snadder: Isn't there a default group which gives members access to sudo?
[10:12] <DVSoftware> ok choose that you want to partiton disk manually
[10:12] <LaserLine> DVSoftware, I choose Manually ...
[10:12] <delire> kayfelix: i think it's your sound server.
[10:12] <DVSoftware> delete all partitions
[10:12] <Nalioth> mcphail: i think so, yes
[10:13] <kandoora_> ubotu: it's me again
[10:13] <ubotu> kandoora_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:13] <kayfelix> delire: set to ALSA and made sure everything is as on as it can be (which it is) and it restarted the soundserver
[10:13] <LaserLine> DVSoftware I see "configure software RAID, Configure LVM, Guided Partitioning and Help on Partitioning.
[10:13] <kayfelix> delire: aplay pop.wav freezes now
[10:13] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: hey there it's me again
[10:13] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: pm
[10:13] <LaserLine> DVSoftware I hgave #1 primary EXT3 and 35 Logical SWAP
[10:13] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: it didn't work
[10:13] <delire> kayfelix: 'ps ax | grep artsd' what happens?
[10:14] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: you have to select partition
[10:14] <DVSoftware> press enter
[10:14] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: ah - what was the trouble?
[10:14] <DVSoftware> and then you have delete partiton
[10:14] <kayfelix> delire: can I post you the results in a PM, its 4 lines...
[10:14] <delire> sure
[10:14] <LaserLine> DVSoftware I deleted both partitions, Now I gave pri/log 10.1GB FREESPACE
[10:15] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: i have no clue, if i go to system - administration - networking - i find modem, wireless, nic
[10:15] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: now create one new partition with 9.5 gb
[10:15] <reiki_work> if my microphone is working... in that I can hear it through my speakers... why would I not be able to record from it? I need to capture sound from my flutes and then analyze the sounds to see frequency and stuff. :)
[10:15] <WolfPac_Ite> There is one thing I am wondering about dual-booting.
[10:15] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: everything seems to be fine except the modem port
[10:15] <DVSoftware> and in use as field
[10:15] <DVSoftware> choose reiserfs
[10:16] <DVSoftware> mountpoint /
[10:16] <LaserLine> DVSoftware Logical or Primary ?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: not a winmodem, is it ?
[10:16] <WolfPac_Ite> Can I just stick the second HDD in the PC, load up Ubuntu on it, and then get back to it later?
[10:16] <LaserLine> DVSoftware Note it's a 10.1 GB Drive.
[10:16] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: really dunno the difference
[10:16] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: what is a winmodem?
[10:16] <DVSoftware> :S
[10:16] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: i know
[10:16] <LaserLine> DVSoftware What do you choose ?
[10:16] <Snadder> mcphail, is it?.. I have no idea.. if it is.. then it whould be nice to know about it
[10:16] <DVSoftware> that's because i told you to create 9.5 gb
[10:16] <WolfPac_Ite> Or must all the steps be taken at the same time?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: hang on a second - be right  back
[10:17] <DVSoftware> i would choose primary
[10:17] <Nalioth> Snadder: gnome or kde?
[10:17] <LaserLine> DVSoftware Ok
[10:17] <Snadder> gnome
[10:17] <DVSoftware> LaserLine: then add second partition
[10:17] <LaserLine> DVSoftware Begining or END ?
[10:17] <DVSoftware> use as swap
[10:17] <DVSoftware> beginning
[10:17] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: how do i know if my modem is detected or that the driver is installed
[10:18] <DVSoftware> kandoora_: lspci
[10:18] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: get back to it later as in when?
[10:18] <LaserLine> DVSoftware I /MSG you.
[10:18] <delire> .
[10:18] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: is it an external modem (serial port) ?
[10:18] <vbgunz> can someone please help me enable logging in the irc chat? I've gone to settings > Preferences  > Logging & have enabled logging but I cannot find the file... I am searching like nuts and can't find it, I've tried to save it to the desktop and I've given it a unique name but am having problems :(
[10:19] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: noops, internal, i work on a laptop
[10:19] <darkheart> vbgunz What program?
[10:19] <vbgunz> X-CHAT 2.4.3
[10:19] <darkheart> vbgunz It's probably somewhere in ~/.xchat
[10:19] <thoreauputic> vbgunz:  .xchat2/xchatlogs
[10:19] <kayfelix> how do I enable root-logins into the KDE desktop for Kubuntu?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: note the dot - it's a hidden file
[10:19] <daggie> is there an apt-get command for installing the microsoft true type fonts?
[10:19] <vbgunz> a dot means its' hidden correct?
[10:19] <IceDC571> "A new version of the Linux kernel has just been installed. We strongly
[10:19] <IceDC571> recommend that your machine is restarted as soon as possible to complete
[10:19] <IceDC571> the system update."
[10:20] <Nalioth> kayfelix: why do you need root?
[10:20] <darkheart> vbgunz correct.
[10:20] <IceDC571> why is ubuntu installing new kernels without my permission?!?
[10:20] <vbgunz> a tilde ~ means?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: your modem may be unsupported
[10:20] <Nalioth> daggie: "apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[10:20] <IceDC571> vbgunz, your home directory is ~
[10:20] <daggie> nalioth; thx
[10:20] <vbgunz> ahh
[10:20] <kayfelix> Nalioth - i want to see if my audio then works, coz at the moment everything *looks* peachy but no sound!
[10:20] <vbgunz> thanks
[10:20] <kandoora_> thor
[10:20] <vbgunz> I'll check
[10:20] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: visit http://linmodems.org
[10:20] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: ok and...........
[10:20] <FR500> heelo
[10:20] <Nalioth> kayfelix: running DMs as root is not a good idea at all
[10:20] <delire> kayfelix: ahah no more autoignore ;)
[10:20] <Concord_Dawn> lol
[10:20] <vbgunz> ahh... it's there
[10:21] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: they ahve a script there that tells you what you have
[10:21] <thoreauputic> *have
[10:21] <FR500> is there a way to use my cell phone hands free with my bluetooth dongle and my laptop?
[10:21] <kayfelix> LOL
[10:21] <WolfPac_Ite> Nalioth, as in booting up XP and then later messing with Linux. I think I read somewhere that I wouldn't be able to access Linux after that.
[10:21] <vbgunz> man... I've tried searching for hidden files but it wouldn't return... does this mean I should search for hidden files under sudo or root?
[10:21] <IceDC571> FR500, what type of cell phone?
[10:21] <mcphail> Snadder: I have a solution for visudo...
[10:21] <FR500> IceDC571: Sony Ericcson T616
[10:21] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: some internal modems are brain-dead windows-only software modems
[10:21] <kayfelix> delire: you talking in the PM?
[10:21] <IceDC571> FR500, ohh.. i have no idea then
[10:21] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: if you install XP after you install ubuntu, correct (windows eats the bootloader)
[10:22] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: you'll still be able to access your linux via the livecd recovery method
[10:22] <Snadder> mcphail, how?
[10:22] <FR500> IceDC571: i can send SMS and files, everything fine, but i want to be able to speak and hear via my MIC and speakers
[10:22] <delire> kayfelix: after you're flood i couldn't read you. as i said though everything *looks* fine at your end. all modules loaded, ALSA is being used.
[10:22] <WolfPac_Ite> I already have XP installed.
[10:22] <mcphail> Snadder: First, sudo -s [password] 
[10:22] <vbgunz> so sweet, thanks for helping me find my irc logs... this is awesome
[10:22] <vbgunz> just one more question
[10:22] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: then installing ubuntu wont hurt anything
[10:23] <WolfPac_Ite> I meant if I stuck the spare HDD in the PC, installed, Linux now, and then got back to it for setting up dual-boot later.
[10:23] <kayfelix> delire: humm so what do you _think_ i could check out?
[10:23] <delire> FR500: not sure though sounds perfectly doable.
[10:23] <WolfPac_Ite> Oh ok.
[10:23] <chrismy> bye bye
[10:23] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: that should work, also
[10:23] <FR500> delire: if my car can i'm sure my pc can
[10:23] <Nalioth> WolfPac_Ite: notice the "should"
[10:23] <delire> kayfelix: i would talk to crimsun. he is the resident sound expert.
[10:23] <FR500> delire: maybe the software isn0t written though
[10:23] <mcphail> Snadder: export VISUAL=gedit, then type visudo
[10:23] <kayfelix> crimsun... ok thanks
[10:23] <Concord_Dawn> !inetd
[10:23] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Wish i knew
[10:23] <vbgunz> cany anyone help me enable my terminal logging to infinite or 99 billion lines? I've tried to go into my history and I only see 33 old lines which are unfortunately not what I needed... I need to enable terminal logging to infinite so to help me back track... someone help please?
[10:24] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks Nalioth.
[10:24] <kayfelix> delire: know when he's around?
[10:24] <Nalioth> mcphail: i'm a dumbass, waht does that do? export visual blah
[10:24] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone tell me about inetd?
[10:24] <delire> kayfelix: i believe he is contributes to sound related matters in Ubuntu as a developer.
[10:24] <djp> delire: do i nedd to install the nvidia-glx package in order to enable direct rendering or can i enable it for the default nv driver?
[10:24] <delire> kayfelix: you could try #ubuntu-devel
[10:24] <Concord_Dawn> exit
[10:24] <Concord_Dawn> oops
[10:24] <Concord_Dawn> wrong window
[10:24] <k0p> Whats bratchs that ubuntu have? hoary, breezy and?
[10:25] <delire> djp: you don't need the proprietary drivers no
[10:25] <kayfelix> delire: found him but got autoreply: work
[10:25] <mcphail> Nalioth: visudo, crontab etc can check the $VISUAL envronment variable to see what editor you like to use
[10:25] <Concord_Dawn> k0p, warty.
[10:25] <delire> kayfelix :!
[10:25] <Nalioth> mcphail: ah, great
[10:25] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: is there somewhere else i can download scanmodem tool other than linmodem.technion.ac.il          from where i am that site is blocked.
[10:25] <k0p> ColonelKernel, waarty is very unstable?
[10:25] <ompaul> vbgunz, you know that you can' get back what you have lost in that space, unless it was done with sudo
[10:25] <vbgunz> huh?
[10:25] <Concord_Dawn> k0p, no. But Hoary is newer than Warty.
[10:25] <vbgunz> what do you mean?
[10:25] <delire> djp: can you 'glxinfo | grep direct' for me?
[10:26] <djp> delire: how do i enable direct rendering? i typed     glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"  and it answers no
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> k0p, I dont know warty - it sounds like a rather nasty case of hpv to me
[10:26] <djp> delire: oops! i gather that answers your question! ;)
[10:26] <ompaul> vbgunz, when you up the limit it is only the work you do from now on that is logged, however whatever you did with sudo will be logged
[10:27] <vbgunz> ahh... so it doesn't log what I do as a power user? Only what I do as sudo?
[10:27] <pgidz> hope someone can help, i'm trying to encode video so it will work on the PSP, but everything I try hasn't been compiled with FAAC, and I'v tried compiling it and it won't work
[10:27] <k0p> ColonelKernel, well.. I want update my kernel withount compile, but so I have change bratch?
[10:27] <Nalioth> vbgunz: when you "sudo" something, it logs under the unused "root" account
[10:28] <delire> djp: hmm it may be easier at this stage to go the proprietary direction given that you may otherwise need to compile a module to give you access to the open source driver.
[10:28] <ompaul> vbgunz, it does log sudo
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> k0p, I use the breezy kernels on hoary
[10:28] <delire> djp: sorry ..eg "compile the open source driver"
[10:29] <ompaul> vbgunz, except in some rare cases
[10:29] <kandoora_> can anyone tell me where i can download scanmodem tool other than linmodemltechnion.ac.il  cause it's blocked by my isp         i googled it but they all point to the same site
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.12-8.12 #1 SMP Thu Sep 1 02:29:24 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:29] <djp> delire: shame... i think i will leave it then as i don't want to use the proprietry driver. thanks for all your help though
[10:29] <k0p> breeazy is  beetwen hoary and warty?
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> woohoo the technion!
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> I wish I knew enough hebrew to go to the technion
[10:29] <vbgunz> I've done something s yesterday regarding my cdrom... someone helped me unlock it "it was busy"... I was told if I needed to recall what I did I could go into the history "sudo cat ~/.bash_history" but when I did that it didn't show me what I did... I lost that info :( Then I was told I needed to increase my line limit but I don't know how to do that which is why I am asking about it now...
[10:30] <k0p> ColonelKernel, yeah.
[10:30] <Nalioth> k0p: warty is 12 months old, hoary is 6mo old, breezy will be out next month
[10:30] <kayfelix> I know I've already asked, but maybe there's someone new in here now with the answer. I have a sound problem. Everything is there, running, looking peachy... but no sound. System beep works over the speakers though, so im pretty sure HW is all setup and working. Its an AC'97 Realtek onboard soundcard on an ASROCK K7S41GX mainboard, im running kubuntu and to be honest, am completely at a loss as to what to do next.
[10:30] <k0p> ah! :D
[10:30] <k0p> Nalioth, tankes :)
[10:30] <ColonelKernel> rofl kandoora_ you live in saudi arabia and arent allowed to look at Israeli web sites?
[10:30] <pgidz> can anyone help me with encoding video for the PSP
[10:31] <Nalioth> pgidz: what are you using to encode?
[10:31] <k0p> Nakkel, but after how I update it? breezy changes to hoary?
[10:31] <sedeki> kandoora_ how about megaproxy.com ?
[10:31] <pgidz> tried ffmpeg and mencoder and transcode
[10:31] <kandoora_> sedeki: i'll try it
[10:31] <vbgunz> one sec fellas
[10:31] <Nalioth> !tell k0p about upgrade2breezy
[10:32] <k0p> Nakkel, :) I'm sorry about that.
[10:32] <ColonelKernel> kandoora_, move to a less oppressive country
[10:32] <ColonelKernel> one that doesnt hate Jews as state policy
[10:32] <Nalioth> pgidz: if you are using the default ubuntu offerings, you'll need to recompile mencoder and ffmpeg with faac support
[10:32] <sedeki> ColonelKernel *lol*
[10:33] <kandoora_> i'd rather have logical solutions rather than political nonsense
[10:33] <Nalioth> howdy Seveas
[10:33] <delire> djp: no problem (and good on you). let's first see if it's already compiled 'modprobe -l | grep nvidia'
[10:33] <pgidz> nalioth i'v tried and can't get them to compile, do you now if there is anywere i can get them from already compiled
[10:33] <k0p> if breezy will out next moth don't have big problems, true?
[10:33] <Nalioth> pgidz: are you getting the source from the homepages?
[10:33] <ColonelKernel> ??? is breezy replacing hoary?
[10:34] <pgidz> nalioth yes
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> next month?
[10:34] <Ng> ColonelKernel: ubuntu releases every 6 months
[10:34] <Nalioth> pgidz: what are the compile errors?
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> sweet
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> hoary is rockin
[10:34] <mcphail> vbgunz: to increase the size of your .bash_history file, you can add a line "export HISTFILESIZE=x" to .bash_profile, where x is the number of lines.
[10:34] <Seveas> hi Nalioth
[10:34] <k0p> :)
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> nice and fast and smooth w breezy kernel running on it too
[10:34] <Ng> ColonelKernel: breezy will rock more :)
[10:34] <pgidz> nalioth for ffmpeg there were pages and pages of error when i did make
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> Ng, its kernels already do for me
[10:35] <vbgunz> mcphail I will do that now!
[10:35] <Kyral> Is there any reason why getting a new Kernel image from the Repos wouldn't work?
[10:35] <delire> Ng: is there a running feature list for Breezy?
[10:35] <unreal> is there an openwebmail package available?
[10:35] <pgidz> nalioth somebody somewhere must have compiled them with FAAC support i just need to find it
[10:35] <Nalioth> pgidz: hmph. i recompiled my mplayer/mencoder and ffmpeg with every lib  i could find, and didnt have any errors
[10:36] <mcphail> vbgunz: unfortunately, it won't go back in time to recover what has been lost... :(
[10:36] <hajiki> how can i make vim do syntax highlighting for php if the extension is not .php?
[10:36] <vbgunz> thank you a bunch very much appreciated... I believe Ubuntu by default should have this size as unlimited... I mean newbies such as myself really need to know what the heck we did since we got Ubuntu ;)
[10:36] <hajiki> i tried copying the php.vim file to the alternate extension but had no luck
[10:36] <Nalioth> vbgunz: new users normally dont use the terminal
[10:36] <pgidz> nalioth i'll have another try and see if i can sort some of the errors out
[10:37] <davro> hajiki: vim <file> :set syntax <language>
[10:37] <Nalioth> phlaegel: you'll need libfaad, libfaac and their -dev packages at a minimum
[10:37] <vbgunz> I see that for almost every cmd there is a gui option but I figure I'll learn as much as I can
[10:37] <vbgunz> thanks fellas!
[10:37] <Nalioth> pgidz: and libflac and its -dev pkg
[10:37] <hajiki> davro, yeah but im lazy, i want it to be automatic... can i add that to my vimrc?
[10:37] <djp> delire: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[10:38] <djp> delire: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[10:38] <djp> delire: that is what is returned
[10:38] <djp> delire: after modprobing
[10:39] <davro> .vimrc or maybe in a comment, im also lazy, use google theres plenty of info about it.
[10:39] <hajiki> davro, its ok i just found it, you add it to the php column in filetype.vim
[10:40] <vbgunz> mcphail, do I only have one .bash_profile? I only found one...
[10:40] <QMario> How do I run Java programs?
[10:40] <delire> djp: hah ok cool well 'sudo modprobe nvidia' then edit the entry for "Driver" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, save and restart X. see what happens ;)
[10:40] <mcphail> mcphail: yes. you only need one
[10:40] <hajiki> vbgunz, one per home directory
[10:40] <Nalioth> vbgunz: yes  you only have one for yourself
[10:40] <vbgunz> (thinking maybe another for sudo or root, etc)
[10:41] <vbgunz> ok I believe I entered that code for my profile... will this affect the sudo account or root account?
[10:41] <Kyral> Aw screw the Colony 3
[10:41] <Kyral> time to DIST-UPGRADE!!
[10:41] <kemik> vbgunz:  no
[10:41] <delire> no
[10:42] <mcphail> vbgunz: no - the root account has its own profile
[10:42] <vbgunz> ok will search for other .bash_profiles
[10:42] <vbgunz> what I really need is to learn the file structure...
[10:43] <hajiki> vbgunz, you can add them to root's profile in /root/.profile
[10:43] <vbgunz> I've been figuring if I search for files I'll soon learn where they are or I'll be able to use common sense to find any new ones... hmm... I am always searching
[10:43] <vbgunz> thansk!
[10:43] <mcphail> vbgunz: It doesn't really have a structure. It is a script. Ask on #bash
[10:43] <djp> delire: how do i edit the xorg.conf file? what do i change?
[10:44] <djp> i have typed sudo modprobe nvidia by the way
[10:44] <Kyral> Anyone know if that annoying Font bug in X is fixed in breezy?
[10:44] <ColonelKernel> what font bug?
[10:44] <ColonelKernel> my fonts look great!
[10:44] <Nalioth> djp: you can have dpkg edit it for you (just answer the simple questions)
[10:44] <delire> djp: you'll need to modprobe -r nv also
[10:44] <vbgunz> ok just one last question before I modify the root profile...
[10:44] <ColonelKernel> maybe its just me but my fonts look antialiased
[10:44] <Kyral> the whole "you have to symlink the font dirs" in X
[10:45] <hajiki> vbgunz, whats the q.
[10:45] <copernic> Guys, is there a ROR mailing list?
[10:45] <delire> djp: find the line 'Driver' in the xorg.conf. you have "nv" next to it currently. alter that to read "nvidia" and restart X
[10:46] <vbgunz> can anyone recommend a really good short to the point guide for users trying to migrate from windows? I've used it for over 8 years and am very confident, competent and efficient with it BUT, I wish to learn some linux and settled with Ubuntu... Any good guides outside of the unofficial guide... one geared towareds Windows users?
[10:46] <delire> Kyral: but that problem dies years ago no?
[10:46] <delire> Kyral: s/dies/died
[10:46] <RobHu> I've just changed my apt.sources from hoary to breezy - dont a dist-upgrade and now X won't start - anyone got any ideas?
[10:46] <djp> delire modprobe -r nv returns, FATAL: Module nv not found.
[10:46] <vbgunz> hajiki, sorry, q?
[10:46] <infinito> does anyone know howto make Skype look better???
[10:46] <Nalioth> vbgunz: here's one thats kinda old, but still is revelant http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[10:46] <delire> djp: ok, it mustn't have been loaded.
[10:46] <Kyral> delire, it was there when I dist-upgraded to breezy a month ago
[10:46] <hajiki> i meant so say just ask the question
[10:46] <djp> delire, so i just change nv under xorg.conf file to nvidia and that is it?
[10:47] <vbgunz> oh... hehe... cool hajiki! thanks!
[10:47] <vbgunz> thanks Nalioth!
[10:47] <delire> djp: give it a whirl. i don't know what Hoary has shipped in the kernel as far as support is concerned. given the fact you have the nvidia and nvidia_agp already there, it looks positive for direct rendering.
[10:48] <RobHu> Do I need to mess with my xorg.conf after updating to breezy?
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> im using the nvidia driver and it works ggrrrrrrrEAT!
[10:48] <djp> delire: oh, ok... could i encounter any problems on a reboot though? don't want to be unable to get back into my desktop! ;)
[10:48] <Nalioth> RobHu: you shouldnt, if it works now
[10:49] <ColonelKernel> i think renderaccel even works with it, I think I have it turned on and no freezes
[10:49] <Nalioth> djp, you can get back to the way you were
[10:49] <din> djp: if that happens, just change the driver back to what it was before
[10:49] <RobHu> Nalioth: No its not working now
[10:49] <RobHu> Nalioth: It was working when I was using Hoary
[10:49] <Torps> lo all
[10:49] <hajiki> vbgunz, i think your best bet is to use it on a daily basis, ask a lot of questions in here, and maybe learn to use the man pages.
[10:49] <delire> djp: there's always a chance and only do this if you really want direct rendering. you don't need to reboot by the way, just exit X and restart. CTRL-ALT-BCKSPACE.
[10:49] <din> RobHu: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "EE"
[10:49] <djp> cheers din and Nalioth
[10:49] <Torps> can any 1 help me with installing RP-PPPoE-3.5
[10:49] <ivoks> din: ?
[10:49] <Torps> ?
[10:49] <djp> delire: sure. thanks
[10:49] <ivoks> din: UUOC and wrong file :)
[10:49] <Torps> when it runs the check it cannot find the cc or gcc compilers
[10:49] <Kyral> Okay, why does it want to rip out things like Firefox and VLC?
[10:50] <RobHu> din: That returned nothing
[10:50] <vbgunz> ya, it's how I started with Windows.. I bugged tech support... also, I was considering paying Ubuntu for official tech support, anyone here done that?
[10:50] <ivoks> RobHu: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:50] <Nalioth> Torps: install "build-essential"
[10:50] <Torps> says it cannot find it ?
[10:50] <din> ivoks: oops lol
[10:50] <delire> vbgunz: there are a few great books around and several excellent sites on the topic. Linux being so inherently community orientated, i would say that hajiki is right.
[10:50] <Torps> must u be in a specific directory?
[10:51] <din> ivoks: i meant Xorg.0.log
[10:51] <RobHu> ivoks: It says its upset about Synaptics Touchpad
[10:51] <frank23> Torps: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[10:51] <frank23> Torps:or use synaptic to do it
[10:51] <din> RobHu: is the module loaded for the touchpad?
[10:51] <RobHu> din: How do I deduce that (newbie)
[10:52] <delire> djp: that said, to 'fix' any errors just revert the current entry in xorg.conf to it's prior state and reboot the machine.
[10:52] <Torps> synaptic?
[10:52] <vbgunz> you fellas are the best, I suare!
[10:52] <Kyral> Do the NVidia modules work in Breezy or am I going to have to build them?
[10:52] <frank23> !synaptic
[10:52] <ubotu> well, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:52] <Nalioth> Torps: top of your screen. system > admin > synaptic pkg mangler
[10:53] <delire> vbgunz ;)
[10:53] <din> RobHu: try  modprobe evdev
[10:53] <Torps> cool, thanks
[10:53] <din> err sudo modprobe evdev
[10:53] <Torps> think i got it now
[10:54] <Kyral> anyone?
[10:54] <RobHu> din: k... that didn't return anything so I guess it worked
[10:54] <din> good
[10:54] <din> now try starting x
[10:54] <vbgunz> i still love windows... it gets my work done and I play on it a lot BUT because of vmware, I've decided to finally try Linux outside of a live cd (I wanted to save things) and I fell in love with Ubuntu... I am so glad theres some great support in here, I am really happy!
[10:54] <RobHu> din: With startx?
[10:55] <din> RobHu: sure
[10:55] <vbgunz> brb
[10:55] <Torps> awsome
[10:55] <Torps> ta
[10:55] <RobHu> din: Same thing happens
[10:55] <din> same complaint from X ?
[10:55] <Kyral> Anyone?
[10:56] <din> RobHu: grep -i synaptics /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:56] <RobHu> well X says: warning process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0   and hangs
[10:56] <Valandil> Kyral: please be more prcise
[10:56] <din> RobHu: hit ctrl c
[10:56] <RobHu> din: It gives 3 lines about the synaptics touch pad
[10:57] <Kyral> Have the NVidia Kernel Modules been compiled against the new kernel yet or do I have to do that myself?
[10:57] <RobHu> din: Yeah I did that
[10:57] <din> RobHu: which are?
[10:57] <RobHu> din: Identifier: "Synaptics Touchpad"
[10:57] <RobHu> din: Driver "synaptics"
[10:57] <din> RobHu: good, looks fine
[10:58] <RobHu> din: InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
[10:58] <din> RobHu: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:58] <Valandil> Kyral: if you take the ones in breezy, they should be... - why dont't You try?
[10:58] <Kyral> I'm Dist-Upgrading right now
[10:58] <Kyral> Just wanna know 'cause last time I tried they werent
[10:58] <Torps> I think RP-PPPoE-3.5 is connected now
[10:59] <Torps> but cant get the browser to load a page?
[10:59] <RobHu> hmmm - it says xinit: Server error, then the screen goes blue and it says there was a problem starting X and asks me if I want to view the error, I say yes and there is no error, just an ok box
[10:59] <Valandil> Kyral: sorry, not yet tested, using old Matrox G400
[10:59] <din> eh, there's still a problem then
[10:59] <din> RobHu: just hit ok
[10:59] <RobHu> The error log says there is no Synaptics touchpad device
[11:00] <din> ok, gimme a sec
[11:00] <Kyral> Oh well, as long as the new kernel works I can do it myself :D
[11:00] <RobHu> din: It all worked with Hoary
[11:00] <Valandil> Kyral: I'd give You the adwise: dist-upgrade on console, and try ;)
[11:00] <Kyral> I am
[11:00] <din> RobHu: ok, you're prob just missing a module
[11:00] <Kyral> but I'm getting a shitty speed
[11:00] <Kyral> and my local college mirror isn't synced
[11:00] <Valandil> <--- always builds his own kernel...
[11:00] <Kyral> to Breezy that is
[11:01] <RobHu> din: How do I determine which one?
[11:01] <din> i'm looking
[11:01] <Kyral> I tend to have bad experiances with Kernels
[11:01] <Kyral> at least on Ubuntu
[11:01] <stoeptegel> i can't run some avi movies in kaffeine. What can i do?
[11:01] <frank23> stoeptegel: install w32codecs
[11:01] <RobHu> din: There's a /var/lib/synaptic
[11:01] <WolfPac_Ite> See ya later.
[11:01] <WolfPac_Ite> Thanks for the help.
[11:01] <Kyral> Install VLC :P
[11:01] <stoeptegel> frank23:  i can't find them for amd64
[11:02] <Valandil>  Kyral so I'm sorry not being able to help You :(
[11:02] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: find out what kind of codec they are, and install the appropriate libs to play them
[11:02] <Snadder> how can I get access to the multiuniverse package archive from ubuntu trough the console?
[11:02] <Kyral> Dude, sokay
[11:02] <Kyral> I know enough shit :P
[11:02] <Valandil> *gg*
[11:02] <Kyral> Its prolly an initrd
[11:02] <Kyral> thing
[11:02] <Nalioth> !tell Snadder about repos
[11:02] <frank23> stoeptegel: they don't exist for amd64. Easy fix: switch to Ubuntu for x86
[11:02] <Kyral> I run some pretty whacked out hardware
[11:02] <Torps> Sorry bout this ppl, but does any one know how to make the browser work once i have connected with RP-PPPoE-3.5 ?
[11:02] <Kyral> for a Linux machine that is
[11:03] <DrGamut> Can anyone in here read Japanese?
[11:03] <Kyral> I wish
[11:03] <Concord_Dawn> goto goto Mr. Roboto.
[11:03] <Concord_Dawn> :)
[11:03] <RobHu> din: Any ideas?
[11:04] <Nalioth> if we did, we'd all be ordering those sweet laptops the size of a dvd case
[11:04] <yonkel> anyone have experience with a dell inspiron 6000?
[11:04] <stoeptegel> frank23: how long do you expect the x86-> x86_64bit transformation ig gone take?
[11:05] <Kyral> honestly, for 64 bit, take Gentoo
[11:05] <Valandil> never!
[11:05] <Kyral> source based so it compiles for your processor
[11:05] <frank23> stoeptegel: what do you mean? almost everything works on 64bit already
[11:05] <LasseL> ppl seems to be complaining a lot
[11:05] <stoeptegel> kyral: Gentoo looks to difficult for me
[11:05] <Valandil> to make me use gentoo, they must kill all debian and ubuntu...
[11:06] <Kyral> it is :P
[11:06] <Nalioth> LasseL: should we turn em out into #ubuntu-unregged?
[11:06] <Kyral> this IS an Ubuntu help channel
[11:06] <Valandil> I wanna work _with_ my System, not _at_ my System
[11:06] <Torps> Can any 1 help with connecting to internet using RP-PPPoE?
[11:06] <LasseL> I was just commenting on the "almost everything works on 64bit"
[11:06] <Kyral> Valandil, I don't like Gentoo either
[11:07] <Kyral> but right now until more stuff comes precompiled for 64, Sourcebased distros like Gentoo are best for them
[11:07] <RobHu> din: You there?
[11:07] <stoeptegel> frank23: then i can't find myself the packages :s
[11:08] <LasseL> I have created a link on my samba server, but I can't follow it with a samba client
[11:08] <jpfarias> hey guys
[11:08] <RobHu> Where might I find the module for my synaptics touch pad on my system? I can't seem to start X without it
[11:08] <stoeptegel> i'll try i386 then, i hope it isn't slower though
[11:08] <Valandil> Kyral: could be, but there are simply too much hotfixes for me in Gentoo. I work with servers, so I need stable packages
[11:08] <jpfarias> why my gtk apps keep warning me about locale?
[11:09] <jpfarias> like gvim
[11:09] <Kyral> Valandil, ah. I'm mostly a desktop user :P
[11:09] <ompaul> stoeptegel, not enough for you to really notice
[11:09] <jpfarias> (gvim:13085): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[11:09] <jpfarias> (gvim:13085): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[11:09] <reiki> gack!.... got a message that Gnome panel needed to be restarted. I said OK. Now I keep getting a popup error REPEATEDLY telling me that a panel is already running
[11:09] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: there is a kernel that will closely match your hardware
[11:09] <bytefoo> i would use archlinux on a server
[11:09] <meuserj|work> jpfarias, you can safely ignore that.
[11:09] <jpfarias> those are the warnings given
[11:09] <bytefoo> but that is just me
[11:09] <Valandil> Desktop (KDE) is for having 20 xterms open at same time ;-)
[11:09] <Nalioth> reiki: open a terminal
[11:09] <Nalioth> reiki: and type "killall gnome-panel"
[11:09] <reiki> ok... terminal open
[11:09] <jpfarias> meuserj|work, but is there a way to fix it?
[11:10] <din> RobHu: sorry, my boss came in
[11:10] <RobHu> din: np
[11:10] <z0unds-> Hey, can someone help me get captive-ntfs to work?
[11:10] <Nalioth> z0unds-: you are an adventerous user
[11:10] <z0unds-> the problem is it dosnt load the LUFS kernel module and wants me to run /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[11:10] <stoeptegel> Nalioth: and that is? :D
[11:10] <Nalioth> z0unds-: lettin a windows device driver snuggle up to your kernel like that
[11:10] <meuserj|work> jpfarias, there is nothing to fix.. all it is saying is that your locale isn't supported by older X apps... and it will default to C locale.  no big deal.
[11:11] <z0unds-> when i run it: Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid.
[11:11] <reiki> Nalioth: everytime it restarts I get that error again. and it repeats. Like it's trying to start even though it DID restart
[11:11] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: let me look
[11:11] <Nalioth> howdy Amaranth
[11:11] <Amaranth> hi
[11:11] <Valandil> Kyral: So, have to leave... good Luck!
[11:11] <Nalioth> reiki: ok then.
[11:11] <ompaul> Nalioth, the idea that that was snuggle I would say taint
[11:11] <din> RobHu: sudo lsmod | grep psmouse
[11:12] <stoeptegel> Nalioth: how?
[11:12] <Torps> Does any1 know how to set up the browser to use the RP-PPPoE connection?
[11:12] <Torps> its connected but nothing happens
[11:12] <RobHu> din: Yeah it returns a line about psmouse
[11:12] <jpfarias> also, the gnome menu is in english....
[11:12] <reiki> gotta take the wife out to dinner... maybe I'll log out while we're gone :)
[11:12] <din> RobHu: what's it say?
[11:13] <jpfarias> but my system is default to pt_BR
[11:13] <RobHu> din: psmouse                 25988  0
[11:13] <vbgunz> fellas thank you for everything, I have to go and work on another pc. It was great, thanks again, bye!
[11:13] <din> ok
[11:13] <Snadder> what entry do I need to look at.. to find the sound card which is located on the montherboard in lspci?
[11:13] <din> RobHu: modprobe -r psmouse
[11:13] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: gimme a minute
[11:13] <din> RobHu: sudo
[11:13] <RobHu> din: Done
[11:13] <RobHu> din: I'm root
[11:13] <jpfarias> most gnome apps are translated. I think the main gnome menu should be too
[11:14] <din> RobHu: then sudo modprobe psmouse psmouse_noext=1
[11:14] <ThePyromaniac> hey guys, how can u play wmv files on totem player?
[11:14] <din> RobHu: then try restarting X
[11:14] <reiki> that seems to have fixed it :)
[11:14] <thenuke> ThePyromaniac: try installing w32codecs
[11:14] <gusto5> hi
[11:14] <ThePyromaniac> thanks mate, i try it
[11:14] <din> RobHu: with /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:14] <gusto5> i need help with a bonobo-activation-server error, error code 3
[11:16] <RobHu> din: FATAL Error inserting psmouse (/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-386/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:16] <ThePyromaniac> how do i know if it installed?
[11:16] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: you'll want either the linux kernels "k7" or "686"
[11:16] <din> RobHu: there's an easy way to do this
[11:16] <din> RobHu: X -configure
[11:17] <din> and follow the instructions to test it
[11:17] <din> then backup your old xorg.conf
[11:17] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: i'd recommend the "686" kernel
[11:17] <z0unds-> how do i start vnc-common it's already installed dosnt work writing vnc-common in terminal ..(VNC Server)
[11:17] <din> and if the new config works, replace your xorg.conf
[11:17] <Nalioth> z0unds-: you dont start vnc-common, you start krdc or vncviewer
[11:17] <RobHu> din: ok
[11:18] <z0unds-> Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid.
[11:18] <z0unds-> doh
[11:18] <z0unds-> bash: krdc: command not found
[11:18] <Nalioth> z0unds-: use a vnc viewer of some type
[11:18] <z0unds-> i want a server
[11:19] <Nalioth> z0unds-: then you start vncserver (or whatever it's name is)
[11:19] <Torps> need help with connecting to internet, please =)
[11:19] <Nalioth> z0unds-: vnc-common is just basic stuff used by vnc clients and servers
[11:20] <stoeptegel> Nalioth: how to install them, because they do not come with dvd do they?
[11:20] <z0unds-> Nalioth, okay but the problem is how do i start the server.. Im on gnome :)
[11:20] <RobHu> din: X -configure just returned, it didn't do anything
[11:20] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: via your internet connection. use synaptic
[11:20] <din> RobHu: :/
[11:20] <RobHu> din: Indeed!
[11:20] <RobHu> din: Could my install be b0rked?
[11:20] <din> RobHu: doubtful
[11:21] <Nalioth> z0unds-: open a terminal and type "vncserver --help" (unless anyone else knows about vnc srvers)
[11:21] <stoeptegel> Nalioth: and the old kernel will just suspend hisself?
[11:21] <din> does the touchpad work in the console?
[11:21] <din> with gpm?
[11:21] <Nalioth> stoeptegel: correct.
[11:21] <RobHu> din: I don't appear to have gpm installed... installing...
[11:22] <abarbaccia> is there a nice program to do slideshows ?
[11:22] <z0unds-> Nalioth, the problem is all the packages are installed but writing vncserver dosnt work and writing vino dosnt either :
[11:22] <Sionide> (Quit: Linux makes me go to bed early)
[11:22] <Sionide> heh
[11:22] <vbgunz> how do I insure I have the latest opengl?
[11:22] <vbgunz> or even have opengl at all?
[11:22] <Nalioth> abarbaccia: "feh"
[11:23] <RobHu> din: I'm running gpm but nothing is happening
[11:23] <Nalioth> abarbaccia: or "feg" i can never remember the last letter of it
[11:23] <din> RobHu: /etc/init.d/gpm start
[11:24] <gn0me> I tried installing the latest ATI drivers two different ways and both result in the same thing.. and I think it's the kernel module not being made.  Anyone else having this problem?
[11:24] <gusto5> hello
[11:24] <RobHu> din: It said it started, but nothing noticeable happened - should I see a cursour that I can move with the touchpad?
[11:24] <gusto5> im getting a bonobo-activation-server error, error code 3
[11:24] <stoeptegel> Nalioth: wouldn't that give me problems with other i386 package i will install?
[11:24] <gusto5> when i killall gnome-pael
[11:24] <jpfarias> which package holds helvetica fonts?
[11:25] <din> RobHu: when you move your finger on the touchpad you should see a cursor
[11:25] <RobHu> din: Nope
[11:25] <din> RobHu: oh, and modprobe psmouse
[11:25] <RobHu> din: Yeah its there now
[11:25] <din> does it move?
[11:25] <pepsi> is us.archive.ubuntu.com still borked?
[11:25] <din> heh
[11:26] <RobHu> din: Yes
[11:26] <din> RobHu: then X is the problem :)
[11:26] <din> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:26] <DVSoftware> pepsi: ???
[11:27] <pepsi> DVSoftware, ?
[11:27] <pepsi> the us. repos were broken for a while
[11:27] <DVSoftware> what do you meen with borked?
[11:27] <gusto5> no one? bonobo-activation-server error?
[11:27] <RobHu> din: There are those three errors about the synaptics touchpad
[11:27] <din> RobHu: so tell me what they say
[11:27] <ubuntuuser678> hi, can anyone help me, im loooking to install the latest version of java on ubuntu and was wondering what the best way to do it is?
[11:28] <Georgiepoo> !java
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:28] <gusto5> ubuntuuser678, for firefox?
[11:28] <ubuntuuser678> no its for azureus
[11:28] <RobHu> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[11:28] <ubuntuuser678> i loooked in synaptic but
[11:28] <RobHu> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[11:28] <RobHu> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[11:29] <ubuntuuser678> i cant see the version i think i need
[11:29] <RobHu> din: This is much easier now I have gdm
[11:29] <RobHu> :)
[11:29] <ubuntuuser678> ill follow the guide
[11:29] <frank23> you need sunj2re-something
[11:29] <din> RobHu: yeah :p
[11:29] <ubuntuuser678> thanks for that :)
[11:29] <Georgiepoo> I think its sun-j2re1.5
[11:30] <din> RobHu: apt-get install
[11:30] <din> oops
[11:30] <din> RobHu: apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics
[11:31] <RobHu> din: Woah, now its installing lots of stuff
[11:31] <yonkel> does ubuntu support ipw2200?
[11:32] <din> RobHu: hopefully it reinstalls what you need for the touchpad
[11:32] <RobHu> din: Why did it break when I updated to breezy?
[11:32] <din> RobHu: i haven't the slightest idea
[11:32] <RobHu> din: my wifi card doesnt work either, but I'm happy to leave that for another day :)
[11:32] <pepsi> cause breezy is broken donchya know
[11:32] <din> RobHu: what card?
[11:33] <RobHu> din: I'm not sure - it's one of these internal centrino thingies
[11:33] <syn-ack> Breezy isnt broken, its in development. Theres a differece, you know. :p
[11:33] <din> RobHu: lspci
[11:33] <meuserj|work> lol I love your name syn-ack
[11:34] <syn-ack> meuserj|work: Its a double pun. You figure out what the other part of the pun is. ;)
[11:34] <syn-ack> meuserj|work: thanks. ;)
[11:34] <din> acc-err
[11:34] <RobHu> find: /usr/lib/xorg/modules: No such file or directory
[11:34] <RobHu> dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file;
[11:34] <RobHu> xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set.  Aborting.  Reconfigure the X server
[11:34] <RobHu> with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem.
[11:34] <RobHu> xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new; not attempting to update existing configuration
[11:34] <din> ack*
[11:34] <din> sock-close
[11:34] <din> heh
[11:35] <syn-ack> din: No, the other part of the pun is a play on pronouncation... syn-ack.... Cynic. :p
[11:35] <din> RobHu: so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:35] <RobHu> din: Now what?
[11:35] <din> syn-ack: :p
[11:37] <din> RobHu: looks like you broke X when you updated to Breezy
[11:37] <din> tisk tisk
[11:38] <RobHu> RobHu: By jove that fixed it :P
[11:38] <RobHu> oops
[11:38] <syn-ack> I wonder which part of X got br0k
[11:38] <RobHu> din: By jove that fixed it!
[11:38] <No1Viking> !tell me about alias
[11:38] <din> RobHu: of course :)
[11:38] <RobHu> din: Now what the hell did I just do? dpkg-configure? What does that do?
[11:38] <din> reconfigured the x server
[11:38] <din> your new one
[11:38] <RobHu> hmm
[11:39] <gn0me> How would I kill my X session from a command line?  Sometimes I hit logoff from inside and it freezes and I can't type anything.
[11:39] <din> gn0me: killall -9 X
[11:39] <gn0me> And that will kill the gnome session and everything?
[11:39] <din> or Xorg
[11:39] <syn-ack> RobHu: the x.org config file was prolly off by one thing and confused the hell out of xorg. Its pretty common
[11:39] <din> gn0me: yes, it kills X
[11:39] <gn0me> Okey dokey.
[11:39] <gn0me> Thank you.
[11:39] <din> syn-ack: no, it wasn't loading his touchpad driver
[11:40] <din> couldn'
[11:40] <din> t initialize hardware
[11:40] <din> he broke it lol
[11:40] <syn-ack> din: ah, ye ol pointing dev crap.
[11:40] <din> yeah
[11:40] <din> so i had him reinstall it
[11:40] <din> :)
[11:40] <syn-ack> Trivial.
[11:41] <din> easiest way for noobs to fix things
[11:41] <din> reinstall
[11:41] <din> lol
[11:41] <syn-ack> Those are the ones I like to fix the most. They only take 5 mins and I get to charge $customer for 2 hours work.
[11:41] <gn0me> Hmm.. I did what you said.. and it now sits just past the gdm thing doing nothing.
[11:41] <gn0me> When it goes back in.
[11:42] <robhu> din: OK - this is great, I think previously my laptop was running in 800x600 now its 1024x768 but... my mouse is amazingly slow
[11:42] <robhu> din: I've turned the acceleration up to maximum but that didnt help its still incredibly slow
[11:42] <din> gn0me: can you be more specific?
[11:42] <syn-ack> What type of lappy is this, robhu?
[11:42] <robhu> syn-ack: An Acer Travelmate
[11:42] <din> robhu: search for synaptic touchpad on the ubuntu forums
[11:42] <gn0me> I typed my username and password in the graphical login, now it's hanging on a brown screen.. I can move the mouse, that's it.
[11:43] <din> i've done my duty :p
[11:43] <robhu> syn-ack: ok
[11:43] <robhu> din: OK :)
[11:43] <din> gn0me: sounds like gnome is borked
[11:43] <gn0me> I deleted .gnome and .gnome2
[11:43] <gn0me> And it always loads up right when I first reboot
[11:43] <gn0me> but if I ever try to logout it doesn't let me back in
[11:43] <gn0me> Or even successfully log out.
[11:44] <robhu> uh oh - lots of things are broken like none of the text in Firefox gets drawn!
[11:44] <din> that's definitely a gnome issue
[11:44] <din> no text?
[11:44] <robhu> no
[11:44] <din> weird
[11:45] <din> apt-get install firefox :)
[11:45] <robhu> heh
[11:45] <din> wooohoo i get to go home in 15 mins
[11:45] <robhu> also the background for my terminal windows has changed to white
[11:45] <thoreauputic> robhu: apt-get install msttcorefonts might help...
[11:46] <thoreauputic> robhu: ah, X issues - sorry was afk
[11:46] <din> thoreauputic: more likely the font path is incorrect in X
[11:46] <robhu> solution = ?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> din: yeah I just scrolled up
[11:46] <din> put the correct font path in?
[11:46] <din> lol
[11:47] <thoreauputic> hahah
[11:47] <opman> guys can someone help me with setting up apache to automatically map folders to subdomains
[11:47] <din> robhu: the fontpaths are in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the <fontpath> portion
[11:47] <robhu> ok - I can see all the fontpath entries in xorg.conf
[11:47] <din> yeah
[11:48] <robhu> din: There are only two directories in /usr/share/X11/fonts
[11:48] <robhu> Whereas xorg.conf seems to think there should be like 10
[11:48] <din> looks like you have some fonts to install
[11:48] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know the mount option that I should use so that I can give an ordinary user permissions to read a drive. Currently when I mount the  drive (ntfs) it is readable only by root.
[11:48] <robhu> din: Whats the package name for the fonts?
[11:49] <din> also the slow mouse thing, just use the gnome mouse prog to up the speed
[11:49] <Gorullaz> !twinview
[11:49] <ubotu> Gorullaz: What?
[11:49] <din> i dunno what is it, i don't use gnome
[11:49] <din> gnome-mouse-properties maybe?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> !tell feugan3333 about mountwindows
[11:49] <syn-ack> robhu: Its fun trying to get a dist-upgrade to work right, isnt it?
[11:49] <robhu> din: I meant the fonts
[11:49] <din> robhu: apt-cache search font
[11:49] <robhu> syn-ack> robhu: Its fun trying to get a dist-upgrade to work right,
[11:49] <robhu> heh
[11:49] <robhu> fun fun fun!
[11:49] <din> or use synaptic to search for font
[11:50] <syn-ack> robhu: BTW, Just how did you upgrade?
[11:50] <QMario> Aren't gas prices a bit too high since last week?
[11:50] <syn-ack> was it with upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[11:50] <QMario> In Georgia, it is $6.00+ a gallon. :'(
[11:50] <robhu> I changed the hoary entries in my apt.sources to breezy then did dist-upgrade
[11:50] <QMario> I feel sorry for them. :(
[11:50] <thoreauputic> QMario: uh... #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[11:51] <syn-ack> robhu: hrm. should have kept the old fonts atleast...
[11:51] <QMario> Thoreauputic, sorry and hello! :)
[11:51] <QMario> I haven't seen you in a long time.
[11:51] <QMario> Where were you?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> QMario: hi :)
[11:51] <feugan3333> thanks thoreauputic. I don't wan't to run the script but at least I'll read it :-)
[11:52] <thoreauputic> ? I've been here QMario
[11:52] <thoreauputic> feugan3333: it's just an edit in /etc/fstab really
[11:52] <ahmuck> is there a default password for root on the live cd ?  i would like to mount a vfat for rescue operations but am unable to su -
[11:53] <feugan3333> thoreauputic: Ok thanks, ill take a look
[11:53] <thoreauputic> feugan3333: somehing like /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0 ( works here)
[11:53] <robhu> ahmuck: Why not sudo passwd root ?
[11:53] <DVSoftware> is there any way to downgrade from breezy to hoary
[11:53] <DVSoftware> in case i screw something
[11:54] <vesech> HiddenWolf, could anyone tell me how I'd go about updating my glib & gtk libraries? :/
[11:54] <thoreauputic> feugan3333: but if you want automatic mounting, s/noauto/auto  of course
[11:54] <vesech> oops, autocomplete
[11:54] <HiddenWolf> vesech, how about apt-get update && dist-upgrade?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> ahmuck: use the root termianal
[11:55] <vesech> nah, I think that's only giving me the latest stable
[11:55] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: not really
[11:55] <vesech> I'm needing to upgrade to 2.7.1+
[11:55] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: at least, not without much hair pulling
[11:55] <DVSoftware> damn
[11:55] <DVSoftware> i afraid that something gone wrong
[11:55] <D13GU___>  the wireless ethernet adpter DWL-G510 is supported in ubuntu 5.04?
[11:56] <DVSoftware> i got unmet dependencies error
[11:56] <DVSoftware> when upgrading to breezy
[11:56] <DVSoftware> is it normal
[11:56] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: no
[11:56] <DVSoftware> it happened after few hours of installing
[11:56] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: did you have ubuntu-desktop installed? were you using 3rd party repos?
[11:57] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: nope
[11:57] <Blissex> DVSoftware: if you are using Breezy, you are a guru developer and you can easily solve such banalities...
[11:57] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:57] <thoreauputic> haha @ Blissex ;-)
[11:57] <phantombrainm> :o)
[11:57] <DVSoftware> well... if i screw something
[11:57] <DVSoftware> i always have my ubuntu livecd
[11:57] <din> i always have gentoo
[11:57] <din> heh
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Blissex: actually a lot of ordinary mortals are taking the plunge now :)
[11:58] <phantombrainm> i always habe Windows *evil*
[11:58] <Blissex> thoreauputic: what color is their parachute? :-)
[11:58] <DVSoftware> however i've forced installation
[11:58] <thoreauputic> !lart phantombrainm
[11:58] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:58] <phantombrainm> ouch
[11:58] <din> i think Blissex's comment was meant to say that if you do not know what you are doing you shouldn't be upgrading to breezy
[11:58] <DVSoftware> din
[11:58] <DVSoftware> i know what i'm doing :D
[11:58] <gantchev> hi
[11:59] <thoreauputic> !upgrade2breezy
[11:59] <ubotu> methinks upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[11:59] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: that's what i did
[11:59] <thoreauputic> note the final warning ^^^
[11:59] <selinium> hi thoreauputic
[11:59] <thoreauputic> selinium: hello :)
[11:59] <opman> guys can someone help me with setting up apache to automatically map folders to subdomains
[11:59] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: i've noticed that
[11:59] <DVSoftware> :)
[11:59] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:59] <Weems> how do I burn a .bin file in k3b?
[11:59] <yonkel> i am on a dell inspiron 6000 laptop and i installed kubuntu successfully. i can't seem to get x to start however. can someone help?