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| magnon | grgrmmgrmbl. | 01:33 |
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| magnon | some customers... arh | 01:33 |
| magnon | *stab* | 01:33 |
| ogra | at 1:33 ? | 01:34 |
| magnon | that's when I read mail :P | 01:34 |
| ogra | ah :) | 01:34 |
| magnon | "we're having problems with some email stuff, which you already told us that we cannot get a proper solution to before we change ISPs to your cooperative one. But please fix it fast anyway." | 01:34 |
| magnon | not exactly quited :P | 01:35 |
| magnon | quoted | 01:35 |
| magnon | also they're having lots of trouble with the network | 01:35 |
| magnon | if they propose that they want to go back to Windows, I'm all ears :P | 01:35 |
| magnon | done so much free work for them, and now they breach the contract by doing stuff without notifying us, and complain because it doesn't work | 01:36 |
| magnon | same customer who wondered why the unshielded cat-5 hanging from a powerline didnt work | 01:37 |
| magnon | *sigh* guess I have to go out there tomorrow though :P | 01:38 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:39 |
| magnon | this was the first place we started working at so we were unexperienced, we didn't put enough demands towards their infrastructure etc. | 01:40 |
| magnon | deeply regret that now | 01:40 |
| magnon | as long as they pay up for server + network infrastructure, and make sure everything else is compatible, the rest can be crap :P | 01:42 |
| magnon | mostly. | 01:42 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm JaneW are you doing an all-nighter? | 05:25 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: i did a ltsp-build-client from the latest edubuntu cd, but it said some packages failed to download, run apt-get update, should it still work as expected? | 06:23 |
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| JaneW | hi jsgotangco | 08:03 |
| JaneW | no I wasn't at my screen all night | 08:03 |
| JaneW | just stayed on-line | 08:03 |
| magnon | hehe | 08:20 |
| magnon | 2 hours of sleep :D | 08:20 |
| JaneW | magnon: you? | 08:53 |
| JaneW | I intended to work again last night, but passed out while watching 'CSI-NY' after going to gym ;) | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | nice going | 08:55 |
| magnon | JaneW: yeah | 09:02 |
| JaneW | heh | 09:09 |
| JaneW | this winter has not been kind to me... | 09:09 |
| magnon | oh, you guys have winter | 09:16 |
| magnon | hehe | 09:16 |
| magnon | not that there's any difference anyway | 09:16 |
| magnon | either rain or snow | 09:16 |
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| JaneW | ogra: ping | 11:51 |
| ogra | JaneW, pong | 11:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: you never mailed me a tech update on edubuntu yesterday | 11:52 |
| ogra | ergh.. oh, sorry... | 11:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: I put in what I could, which I hope was accurate | 11:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: can you give me a few lines for the BreezyGoals pages please? | 11:52 |
| ogra | the main work was caring for all apps to get to main | 11:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: do you know if/when we gcan go 'green'? | 11:52 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes I mentioned the status of the main inclusion reports | 11:53 |
| ogra | i hpe the next CD build will be good enough to go with it... lets see, i'm actively working with Kamion on it currently | 11:53 |
| JaneW | ogra: great, is kamion helping with the problems you had? | 11:54 |
| ogra | if i have the first successfull install here, we can go to green | 11:54 |
| JaneW | yay - how optimistic are you feeling? | 11:54 |
| JaneW | ogra: are you available for the meeing later? | 11:54 |
| ogra | in fact they were caused by his bootloader config, and by some missing entrys ... i just couldnt change it with him because he wasnt here and i didnt recognize it before... | 11:55 |
| ogra | sure i am | 11:55 |
| JaneW | ogra: that sounds promising | 11:55 |
| ogra | yup | 11:55 |
| JaneW | is the artwork ok now? | 11:55 |
| ogra | i'm very courious... Kamion triggers a new build directly after the changes | 11:55 |
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| ogra | do you run breezy ? | 11:56 |
| JaneW | ogra: no not yet... I am dying to see it | 11:56 |
| JaneW | where can I see screen shots? | 11:56 |
| JaneW | I keep hearing it looks nice.. | 11:56 |
| ogra | ah, ok, else i would have said just instal edubuntu-artwork | 11:56 |
| ogra | the package is up, i'll add the other artwork in the next upload again... currently its only my stuff and a huge license... elmo wanted a special flavour of the cc | 11:58 |
| JaneW | right | 11:58 |
| JaneW | but is the artwork ok legally now? | 11:58 |
| JaneW | will elmo accept it? do you think? | 11:58 |
| ogra | i'll ask him for every piece i add :-P | 11:59 |
| JaneW | oh, which one? | 12:12 |
| JaneW | (license) | 12:12 |
| JaneW | and must I put that up on the site too? | 12:12 |
| JaneW | there's licensing all over our wiki now... | 12:12 |
| JaneW | must I get official permission from highvoltage too? :p | 12:13 |
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| JaneW | **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 90 mins | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | no way | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | i should be drinking tonight | 12:49 |
| JaneW | any doc updates? | 12:51 |
| JaneW | will we still get any docs? | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | not the cookbook for sure | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | do we have a usable system? | 12:51 |
| JaneW | BOooHOOoo | 12:51 |
| JaneW | we are waiting | 12:51 |
| JaneW | kamion is building it right now | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | we can't have docs with something we don't have atm | 12:51 |
| JaneW | I out the how to pdf on the wiki in the mean time | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | or else i'll be better off writing a fiction novel | 12:52 |
| JaneW | lol | 12:52 |
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| jsgotangco | i hope you understand my reasons for that | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't help as well that me an jbailey are a bit busy for preview release | 12:53 |
| JaneW | yes I do, because you are difficult | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | i'm difficult? | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | ???? | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | i hope that is a typo because i do not understand what you mean by that | 12:55 |
| JaneW | *run* | 12:57 |
| JaneW | *hide* | 12:57 |
| JaneW | *rotfl* | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | i'm difficult? | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | im going out | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | "i'm not difficult" | 01:01 |
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| JaneW | **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting iNOW | 02:00 |
| JaneW | **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW | 02:00 |
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| JaneW | jsgotangco: are we still talking? | 03:10 |
| JaneW | I am sorry if I upset you - my comment was in jest. I don't always think before I speak | 03:10 |
| JaneW | and it seemed funny at the time | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | sure i was just working all day on the docs | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | i was just tired | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | we were under pressure to deliver by preview | 03:12 |
| JaneW | sorry | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | i didn't really understand the joke | 03:15 |
| JaneW | I really do appreciate all you have done so far | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | nahh its ok | 03:15 |
| JaneW | I was teasing | 03:15 |
| JaneW | I don;t think you are difficult, in fact you have been very accomodating so far, so the joke was that it's so far from the truth it's funny... but whatever | 03:16 |
| JaneW | let's forget it? | 03:16 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, why were you under pressure ? doc freeze is still more then a week to go, isnt it ? | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: we don't have that great docs atm | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | we were thinking of asking mdz to drop the freeze | 03:17 |
| ogra | i think thats a good plan, but i doubt mdz will agree | 03:18 |
| ogra | i'd drop both, artwork and doc freeze | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey started uploading today | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | the whole day we were fixing the faqguide so its the most decent doc we'll have for 5.10 | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | but some of the stuff i'm not really in favor | 03:19 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, if the CD is in shape i'll have time left to help out on the cookbook... | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | don't worry about it, its just a hectic time for me atm | 03:20 |
| ogra | and since i know the technical side best it would probably speed up things... | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | even if im not working, i've been invited to talk to schools and im preparing for linuxworld in 2 weeks | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | the structure is there, but what really lacks now is the technical side | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | docs can be easily pushed as an update anyway | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | that is my opinion | 03:22 |
| ogra | yup | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't help as well that we're only 4 people active in writing | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | well make that 3 | 03:32 |
| ogra | i hae no problem with writing docs as long as i have the time :) | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | the fault we made was that half of the time people were talking about ingfrastructure | 03:37 |
| ogra | yup | 03:38 |
| ogra | same with edubuntu, to many discussions...packed with xorg and c++ transition... | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | well generally xorg really had a huge impact on our workflow | 03:40 |
| ogra | yup | 03:41 |
| ogra | c++ too... | 03:42 |
| ogra | its still not done for universe | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | gyahh | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | hmm so i guess some stuff in universe won't come out by release? | 03:44 |
| ogra | yup, looks like... i'm pushing as much as i can... but we are simply not enough MOTUs | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | i was hoping for the intro developer doc being done in time, but i still don't see it | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | hopefully i grow further after breezy | 03:47 |
| ogra | Unfrgiven was making a lot of noise after UDU about that docs... but since he's MOTU i havent even seen him online (2 months or so) | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | well yes we talked about it as well | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | but he is probably busy at school | 03:52 |
| ogra | YAY | 04:06 |
| ogra | the CD looks gooood !!!! | 04:06 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.3/report.html | 04:07 |
| ogra | only ppc stuff left | 04:07 |
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| jsgotangco | hmmm getting better | 04:12 |
| ogra | if i'd drop emacs now, ppc would be good too, and we'd have a preview release | 04:13 |
| ogra | *g* | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | *sigh* i guess thats a necessary evil | 04:14 |
| ogra | dont worry, i'D drop vim too... and we had to deal with nano :) | 04:15 |
| ogra | no, seriously, i can still drop the langs other then en | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | are you still aiming for 1CD? | 04:17 |
| ogra | i'm aiming for one CD without langpacks ad a DVD with langpacks, yes | 04:17 |
| ogra | but for testing i want to leave some additional langs on the cD | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | oh it just stopped raining | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | maybe the pub across is still open... | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | later all, have a nice weekend | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: we're fine now :) | 05:16 |
| JaneW | good :) | 05:17 |
| JaneW | I have such a nack of rubbing ppl up the wrong way... | 05:18 |
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| jsgotangco | huh? | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | errr | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: what is this pdf that you said you posted? | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | nvm i'll just look for it myself | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | tuxlab cookbook | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | *sigh* | 05:27 |
| JaneW | yes | 05:29 |
| JaneW | sorry | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | for? | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | it can't be helped | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i'll make you a compromise | 05:30 |
| JaneW | ok...? | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i'll rip the existing cookbook now and just change all the entries from tuxlab to edubuntu | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | and just edit up the remaining text | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | and you'll have your cookbook by hmmm thursday | 05:31 |
| JaneW | that will be a good start :) | 05:31 |
| JaneW | and I am sure we can get to fixing other intricacies after.. | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | by pushing it as an update | 05:32 |
| JaneW | :) | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | im not that much of a scripting guru but i'll sort out the image not being included in the pdf/html by next week | 05:33 |
| JaneW | I'd better go my son just said 'I noticed that 1 minute is shorter than 5 minutes' | 05:34 |
| JaneW | clearly I am misleading him... | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | ok i should try to sleep | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | i've been in front of a laptop all day | 05:34 |
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| ogra | gnah | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | hang | 09:38 |
| ogra | damned... only one small error on the current CD | 09:40 |
| ogra | ltsp-build-client doesnt get run at the end of the install process.... otherwise the CD is fine now | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | wow. | 09:45 |
| ogra | and the artwork is still in universe, but that should change next week | 09:46 |
| ogra | so we are ready to go with a preview release hand in hand with ubuntu... | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | that's so cool. what's the status on teachertool? i've been a bit out of touch. | 09:47 |
| ogra | me too :) | 09:47 |
| ogra | i'll get back to it as soon as the CD stands | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | nice | 09:48 |
| ogra | i did a lot of work on the login manager, it will be no problem to have a xdmcp like feature, but only to edubuntu (ssh driven) servers | 09:48 |
| ogra | which can be in principle every ssh server that has a windowmanager (no X needed) installed | 09:49 |
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| highvoltage | i hope i get to test the edubuntu ltsp properly this weekend. last i got to play with it was more than three weeks ago. have had lots of deadlines recently. | 09:54 |
| ogra | it would be really nice if you could... | 09:54 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.4/ | 09:55 |
| ogra | thats the best one we have now... | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | i think i just need to focus myself more. | 09:55 |
| ogra | and its really good already... | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | i get distracted easily, there's just so more i wish i knew, i'd like to learn python really well. | 09:56 |
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| ogra | lets wok together on some stuff for breezy+1 | 09:56 |
| ogra | work even | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | yes, that would be great. | 09:57 |
| highvoltage | how do i uuencode those icons in the gartoon theme? | 09:57 |
| highvoltage | nevermind, i'll ask you tomorrow, it's been a long day :) | 09:58 |
| highvoltage | how are you feeling? things are coming together good, hey? | 09:58 |
| ogra | yup, and i'm a bit distracted, just finishing my test install | 09:58 |
| ogra | yep | 09:58 |
| ogra | i'm feeling great, except we shuld have had this status a month ago :) | 09:59 |
| highvoltage | is it just edubuntu that's a bit behind, or ubuntu too? | 09:59 |
| ogra | but i'm confident we'll match the release deadline with a really cool distro | 09:59 |
| ogra | ubuntu just dropped all stuff that couldnt make it very early... | 09:59 |
| highvoltage | that's cool. i have lots of confidence in you and the ubuntu team. | 09:59 |
| ogra | but universe is in a very bad state... the transitions are all not finished yet | 10:00 |
| ogra | edubuntu will suffer from that as well | 10:00 |
| ogra | sadly | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | transitions? is that when the sid packages need to be ubuntu-ised? | 10:01 |
| ogra | nope, thats if something very basic changes an everything depending on it has to be fixed | 10:01 |
| ogra | i.e. gcc4 and xorg | 10:02 |
| ogra | that were the most noticeable | 10:02 |
| ogra | ones | 10:02 |
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| ogra | hey JaneW | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | geez. | 10:05 |
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