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magnongrgrmmgrmbl.01:33
magnonsome customers... arh01:33
magnon*stab*01:33
ograat 1:33 ?01:34
magnonthat's when I read mail :P01:34
ograah :)01:34
magnon"we're having problems with some email stuff, which you already told us that we cannot get a proper solution to before we change ISPs to your cooperative one. But please fix it fast anyway."01:34
magnonnot exactly quited :P01:35
magnonquoted01:35
magnonalso they're having lots of trouble with the network01:35
magnonif they propose that they want to go back to Windows, I'm all ears :P01:35
magnondone so much free work for them, and now they breach the contract by doing stuff without notifying us, and complain because it doesn't work01:36
magnonsame customer who wondered why the unshielded cat-5 hanging from a powerline didnt work01:37
magnon*sigh* guess I have to go out there tomorrow though :P01:38
ograhmm01:39
magnonthis was the first place we started working at so we were unexperienced, we didn't put enough demands towards their infrastructure etc.01:40
magnondeeply regret that now01:40
magnonas long as they pay up for server + network infrastructure, and make sure everything else is compatible, the rest can be crap :P01:42
magnonmostly.01:42
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jsgotangcohmm JaneW  are you doing an all-nighter?05:25
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highvoltageogra: i did a ltsp-build-client from the latest edubuntu cd, but it said some packages failed to download, run apt-get update, should it still work as expected?06:23
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JaneWhi jsgotangco 08:03
JaneWno I wasn't at my screen all night08:03
JaneWjust stayed on-line08:03
magnonhehe08:20
magnon2 hours of sleep :D08:20
JaneWmagnon: you?08:53
JaneWI intended to work again last night, but passed out while watching 'CSI-NY' after going to gym ;)08:54
jsgotangcohmm08:55
jsgotangconice going08:55
magnonJaneW: yeah09:02
JaneWheh09:09
JaneWthis winter has not been kind to me...09:09
magnonoh, you guys have winter09:16
magnonhehe09:16
magnonnot that there's any difference anyway09:16
magnoneither rain or snow09:16
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JaneWogra: ping11:51
ograJaneW, pong11:52
JaneWogra: you never mailed me a tech update on edubuntu yesterday11:52
ograergh.. oh, sorry...11:52
JaneWogra: I put in what I could, which I hope was accurate11:52
JaneWogra: can you give me a few lines for the BreezyGoals pages please?11:52
ograthe main work was caring for all apps to get to main11:52
JaneWogra: do you know if/when we gcan go 'green'?11:52
JaneWogra: yes I mentioned the status of the main inclusion reports11:53
ograi hpe the next CD build will be good enough to go with it... lets see, i'm actively working with Kamion on it currently11:53
JaneWogra: great, is kamion helping with the problems you had?11:54
ograif i have the first successfull install here, we can go to green11:54
JaneWyay - how optimistic are you feeling?11:54
JaneWogra: are you available for the meeing later?11:54
ograin fact they were caused by his bootloader config, and by some missing entrys ... i just couldnt change it with him because he wasnt here and i didnt recognize it before...11:55
ograsure i am11:55
JaneWogra: that sounds promising11:55
ograyup11:55
JaneWis the artwork ok now?11:55
ograi'm very courious... Kamion triggers a new build directly after the changes11:55
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ogrado you run breezy ? 11:56
JaneWogra: no not yet... I am dying to see it11:56
JaneWwhere can I see screen shots?11:56
JaneWI keep hearing it looks nice..11:56
ograah, ok, else i would have said just instal edubuntu-artwork11:56
ograthe package is up, i'll add the other artwork in the next upload again... currently its only my stuff and a huge license... elmo wanted a special flavour of the cc11:58
JaneWright11:58
JaneWbut is the artwork ok legally now?11:58
JaneWwill elmo accept it? do you think?11:58
ograi'll ask him for every piece i add :-P11:59
JaneWoh, which one?12:12
JaneW(license)12:12
JaneWand must I put that up on the site too?12:12
JaneWthere's licensing all over our wiki now...12:12
JaneWmust I get official permission from highvoltage too? :p12:13
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JaneW**REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 90 mins12:32
jsgotangcono way12:49
jsgotangcoi should be drinking tonight12:49
JaneWany doc updates?12:51
JaneWwill we still get any docs?12:51
jsgotangconot the cookbook for sure12:51
jsgotangcodo we have a usable system?12:51
JaneWBOooHOOoo12:51
JaneWwe are waiting12:51
JaneWkamion is building it right now12:51
jsgotangcowe can't have docs with something we don't have atm12:51
JaneWI out the how to pdf on the wiki in the mean time12:51
jsgotangcoor else i'll be better off writing a fiction novel12:52
JaneWlol12:52
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jsgotangcoi hope you understand my reasons for that12:52
jsgotangcoit doesn't help as well that me an jbailey are a bit busy for preview release12:53
JaneWyes I do, because you are difficult12:53
jsgotangcoi'm difficult?12:53
jsgotangco????12:53
jsgotangcoi hope that is a typo because i do not understand what you mean by that12:55
JaneW*run*12:57
JaneW*hide*12:57
JaneW*rotfl*12:57
jsgotangcoi'm difficult?12:58
jsgotangcoim going out01:01
jsgotangco"i'm not difficult"01:01
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JaneW**REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting iNOW02:00
JaneW**REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW02:00
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JaneWjsgotangco: are we still talking?03:10
JaneWI am sorry if I upset you - my comment was in jest. I don't always think before I speak03:10
JaneWand it seemed funny at the time03:10
jsgotangcosure i was just working all day on the docs03:12
jsgotangcoi was just tired03:12
jsgotangcowe were under pressure to deliver by preview03:12
JaneWsorry03:15
jsgotangcoi didn't really understand the joke03:15
JaneWI really do appreciate all you have done so far03:15
jsgotangconahh its ok03:15
JaneWI was teasing03:15
JaneWI don;t think you are difficult, in fact you have been very accomodating so far, so the joke was that it's so far from the truth it's funny... but whatever03:16
JaneWlet's forget it?03:16
ograjsgotangco, why were you under pressure ? doc freeze is still more then a week to go, isnt it ? 03:17
jsgotangcoogra: we don't have that great docs atm03:17
jsgotangcowe were thinking of asking mdz to drop the freeze03:17
ograi think thats a good plan, but i doubt mdz will agree03:18
ograi'd drop both, artwork and doc freeze03:18
jsgotangcojbailey started uploading today03:18
jsgotangcothe whole day we were fixing the faqguide so its the most decent doc we'll have for 5.1003:19
jsgotangcobut some of the stuff i'm not really in favor03:19
ograjsgotangco, if the CD is in shape i'll have time left to help out on the cookbook...03:19
jsgotangcodon't worry about it, its just a hectic time for me atm03:20
ograand since i know the technical side best it would probably speed up things...03:20
jsgotangcoeven if im not working, i've been invited to talk to schools and im preparing for linuxworld in 2 weeks03:20
jsgotangcothe structure is there, but what really lacks now is the technical side03:21
jsgotangcodocs can be easily pushed as an update anyway03:22
jsgotangcothat is my opinion03:22
ograyup03:31
jsgotangcoit doesn't help as well that we're only 4 people active in writing03:31
jsgotangcowell make that 303:32
ograi hae no problem with writing docs as long as i have the time :)03:34
jsgotangcosame here03:37
jsgotangcothe fault we made was that half of the time people were talking about ingfrastructure03:37
ograyup03:38
ograsame with edubuntu, to many discussions...packed with xorg and c++ transition...03:38
jsgotangcowell generally xorg really had a huge impact on our workflow03:40
ograyup03:41
ograc++ too... 03:42
ograits still not done for universe03:42
jsgotangcogyahh03:44
jsgotangcohmm so i guess some stuff in universe won't come out by release?03:44
ograyup, looks like... i'm pushing as much as i can... but we are simply not enough MOTUs03:45
jsgotangcoi was hoping for the intro developer doc being done in time, but i still don't see it03:47
jsgotangcohopefully i grow further after breezy03:47
ograUnfrgiven was making a lot of noise after UDU about that docs... but since he's MOTU i havent even seen him online (2 months or so)03:49
jsgotangcowell yes we talked about it as well03:52
jsgotangcobut he is probably busy at school03:52
ograYAY04:06
ograthe CD looks gooood !!!!04:06
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.3/report.html04:07
ograonly ppc stuff left04:07
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jsgotangcohmmm getting better04:12
ograif i'd drop emacs now, ppc would be good too, and we'd have a preview release04:13
ogra*g*04:13
jsgotangco*sigh* i guess thats a necessary evil04:14
ogradont worry, i'D drop vim too... and we had to deal with nano :)04:15
ograno, seriously, i can still drop the langs other then en04:15
jsgotangcoare you still aiming for 1CD?04:17
ograi'm aiming for one CD without langpacks ad a DVD with langpacks, yes04:17
ograbut for testing i want to leave some additional langs on the cD04:17
jsgotangcooh it just stopped raining04:47
jsgotangcomaybe the pub across is still open...04:47
jsgotangcolater all, have a nice weekend05:16
jsgotangcoJaneW: we're fine now :)05:16
JaneWgood :)05:17
JaneWI have such a nack of rubbing ppl up the wrong way...05:18
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jsgotangcohuh?05:18
jsgotangcoerrr05:20
jsgotangcoJaneW: what is this pdf that you said you posted?05:24
jsgotangconvm i'll just look for it myself05:24
jsgotangcotuxlab cookbook05:26
jsgotangco*sigh*05:27
JaneWyes05:29
JaneWsorry05:29
jsgotangcofor?05:29
jsgotangcoit can't be helped05:30
jsgotangcoi'll make you a compromise05:30
JaneWok...?05:30
jsgotangcoi'll rip the existing cookbook now and just change all the entries from tuxlab to edubuntu05:31
jsgotangcoand just edit up the remaining text05:31
jsgotangcoand you'll have your cookbook by hmmm thursday05:31
JaneWthat will be a good start :)05:31
JaneWand I am sure we can get to fixing other intricacies after..05:32
jsgotangcoby pushing it as an update05:32
JaneW:)05:32
jsgotangcoim not that much of a scripting guru but i'll sort out the image not being included in the pdf/html by next week05:33
JaneWI'd better go my son just said 'I noticed that 1 minute is shorter than 5 minutes'05:34
JaneWclearly I am misleading him...05:34
jsgotangcook i should try to sleep05:34
jsgotangcoi've been in front of a laptop all day05:34
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highvoltageJaneW_away: you got a response :)06:43
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ali4728Can anyone help with multiple web site hosting on a single IP ( Name Based Virt Host) ?07:26
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ogragnah09:36
highvoltagehang09:38
ogradamned... only one small error on the current CD09:40
ograltsp-build-client doesnt get run at the end of the install process.... otherwise the CD is fine now09:41
highvoltagewow.09:45
ograand the artwork is still in universe, but that should change next week09:46
ograso we are ready to go with a preview release hand in hand with ubuntu...09:46
highvoltagethat's so cool. what's the status on teachertool? i've been a bit out of touch.09:47
ograme too :)09:47
ograi'll get back to it as soon as the CD stands09:47
highvoltagenice09:48
ograi did a lot of work on the login manager, it will be no problem to have a xdmcp like feature, but only to edubuntu (ssh driven) servers09:48
ograwhich can be in principle every ssh server that has a windowmanager (no X needed) installed09:49
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highvoltagei hope i get to test the edubuntu ltsp properly this weekend. last i got to play with it was more than three weeks ago. have had lots of deadlines recently.09:54
ograit would be really nice if you could...09:54
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.4/09:55
ograthats the best one we have now... 09:55
highvoltagei think i just need to focus myself more.09:55
ograand its really good already... 09:55
highvoltagei get distracted easily, there's just so more i wish i knew, i'd like to learn python really well.09:56
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ogralets wok together on some stuff for breezy+109:56
ograwork even09:56
highvoltageyes, that would be great.09:57
highvoltagehow do i uuencode those icons in the gartoon theme?09:57
highvoltagenevermind, i'll ask you tomorrow, it's been a long day :)09:58
highvoltagehow are you feeling? things are coming together good, hey?09:58
ograyup, and i'm a bit distracted, just finishing my test install09:58
ograyep09:58
ograi'm feeling great, except we shuld have had this status a month ago :)09:59
highvoltageis it just edubuntu that's a bit behind, or ubuntu too?09:59
ograbut i'm confident we'll match the release deadline with a really cool distro09:59
ograubuntu just dropped all stuff that couldnt make it very early...09:59
highvoltagethat's cool. i have lots of confidence in you and the ubuntu team.09:59
ograbut universe is in a very bad state... the transitions are all not finished yet10:00
ograedubuntu will suffer from that as well10:00
ograsadly10:00
highvoltagetransitions? is that when the sid packages need to be ubuntu-ised?10:01
ogranope, thats if something very basic changes an everything depending on it has to be fixed10:01
ograi.e. gcc4 and xorg10:02
ograthat were the most noticeable10:02
ograones10:02
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ograhey JaneW 10:03
highvoltagegeez.10:05
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