[01:33] <magnon> grgrmmgrmbl.
[01:33] <magnon> some customers... arh
[01:33] <magnon> *stab*
[01:34] <ogra> at 1:33 ?
[01:34] <magnon> that's when I read mail :P
[01:34] <ogra> ah :)
[01:34] <magnon> "we're having problems with some email stuff, which you already told us that we cannot get a proper solution to before we change ISPs to your cooperative one. But please fix it fast anyway."
[01:35] <magnon> not exactly quited :P
[01:35] <magnon> quoted
[01:35] <magnon> also they're having lots of trouble with the network
[01:35] <magnon> if they propose that they want to go back to Windows, I'm all ears :P
[01:36] <magnon> done so much free work for them, and now they breach the contract by doing stuff without notifying us, and complain because it doesn't work
[01:37] <magnon> same customer who wondered why the unshielded cat-5 hanging from a powerline didnt work
[01:38] <magnon> *sigh* guess I have to go out there tomorrow though :P
[01:39] <ogra> hmm
[01:40] <magnon> this was the first place we started working at so we were unexperienced, we didn't put enough demands towards their infrastructure etc.
[01:40] <magnon> deeply regret that now
[01:42] <magnon> as long as they pay up for server + network infrastructure, and make sure everything else is compatible, the rest can be crap :P
[01:42] <magnon> mostly.
[05:25] <jsgotangco> hmm JaneW  are you doing an all-nighter?
[06:23] <highvoltage> ogra: i did a ltsp-build-client from the latest edubuntu cd, but it said some packages failed to download, run apt-get update, should it still work as expected?
[08:03] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[08:03] <JaneW> no I wasn't at my screen all night
[08:03] <JaneW> just stayed on-line
[08:20] <magnon> hehe
[08:20] <magnon> 2 hours of sleep :D
[08:53] <JaneW> magnon: you?
[08:54] <JaneW> I intended to work again last night, but passed out while watching 'CSI-NY' after going to gym ;)
[08:55] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:55] <jsgotangco> nice going
[09:02] <magnon> JaneW: yeah
[09:09] <JaneW> heh
[09:09] <JaneW> this winter has not been kind to me...
[09:16] <magnon> oh, you guys have winter
[09:16] <magnon> hehe
[09:16] <magnon> not that there's any difference anyway
[09:16] <magnon> either rain or snow
[11:51] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[11:52] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[11:52] <JaneW> ogra: you never mailed me a tech update on edubuntu yesterday
[11:52] <ogra> ergh.. oh, sorry...
[11:52] <JaneW> ogra: I put in what I could, which I hope was accurate
[11:52] <JaneW> ogra: can you give me a few lines for the BreezyGoals pages please?
[11:52] <ogra> the main work was caring for all apps to get to main
[11:52] <JaneW> ogra: do you know if/when we gcan go 'green'?
[11:53] <JaneW> ogra: yes I mentioned the status of the main inclusion reports
[11:53] <ogra> i hpe the next CD build will be good enough to go with it... lets see, i'm actively working with Kamion on it currently
[11:54] <JaneW> ogra: great, is kamion helping with the problems you had?
[11:54] <ogra> if i have the first successfull install here, we can go to green
[11:54] <JaneW> yay - how optimistic are you feeling?
[11:54] <JaneW> ogra: are you available for the meeing later?
[11:55] <ogra> in fact they were caused by his bootloader config, and by some missing entrys ... i just couldnt change it with him because he wasnt here and i didnt recognize it before...
[11:55] <ogra> sure i am
[11:55] <JaneW> ogra: that sounds promising
[11:55] <ogra> yup
[11:55] <JaneW> is the artwork ok now?
[11:55] <ogra> i'm very courious... Kamion triggers a new build directly after the changes
[11:56] <ogra> do you run breezy ? 
[11:56] <JaneW> ogra: no not yet... I am dying to see it
[11:56] <JaneW> where can I see screen shots?
[11:56] <JaneW> I keep hearing it looks nice..
[11:56] <ogra> ah, ok, else i would have said just instal edubuntu-artwork
[11:58] <ogra> the package is up, i'll add the other artwork in the next upload again... currently its only my stuff and a huge license... elmo wanted a special flavour of the cc
[11:58] <JaneW> right
[11:58] <JaneW> but is the artwork ok legally now?
[11:58] <JaneW> will elmo accept it? do you think?
[11:59] <ogra> i'll ask him for every piece i add :-P
[12:12] <JaneW> oh, which one?
[12:12] <JaneW> (license)
[12:12] <JaneW> and must I put that up on the site too?
[12:12] <JaneW> there's licensing all over our wiki now...
[12:13] <JaneW> must I get official permission from highvoltage too? :p
[12:32] <JaneW> **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 90 mins
[12:49] <jsgotangco> no way
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i should be drinking tonight
[12:51] <JaneW> any doc updates?
[12:51] <JaneW> will we still get any docs?
[12:51] <jsgotangco> not the cookbook for sure
[12:51] <jsgotangco> do we have a usable system?
[12:51] <JaneW> BOooHOOoo
[12:51] <JaneW> we are waiting
[12:51] <JaneW> kamion is building it right now
[12:51] <jsgotangco> we can't have docs with something we don't have atm
[12:51] <JaneW> I out the how to pdf on the wiki in the mean time
[12:52] <jsgotangco> or else i'll be better off writing a fiction novel
[12:52] <JaneW> lol
[12:52] <jsgotangco> i hope you understand my reasons for that
[12:53] <jsgotangco> it doesn't help as well that me an jbailey are a bit busy for preview release
[12:53] <JaneW> yes I do, because you are difficult
[12:53] <jsgotangco> i'm difficult?
[12:53] <jsgotangco> ????
[12:55] <jsgotangco> i hope that is a typo because i do not understand what you mean by that
[12:57] <JaneW> *run*
[12:57] <JaneW> *hide*
[12:57] <JaneW> *rotfl*
[12:58] <jsgotangco> i'm difficult?
[01:01] <jsgotangco> im going out
[01:01] <jsgotangco> "i'm not difficult"
[02:00] <JaneW> **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting iNOW
[02:00] <JaneW> **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW
[03:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are we still talking?
[03:10] <JaneW> I am sorry if I upset you - my comment was in jest. I don't always think before I speak
[03:10] <JaneW> and it seemed funny at the time
[03:12] <jsgotangco> sure i was just working all day on the docs
[03:12] <jsgotangco> i was just tired
[03:12] <jsgotangco> we were under pressure to deliver by preview
[03:15] <JaneW> sorry
[03:15] <jsgotangco> i didn't really understand the joke
[03:15] <JaneW> I really do appreciate all you have done so far
[03:15] <jsgotangco> nahh its ok
[03:15] <JaneW> I was teasing
[03:16] <JaneW> I don;t think you are difficult, in fact you have been very accomodating so far, so the joke was that it's so far from the truth it's funny... but whatever
[03:16] <JaneW> let's forget it?
[03:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, why were you under pressure ? doc freeze is still more then a week to go, isnt it ? 
[03:17] <jsgotangco> ogra: we don't have that great docs atm
[03:17] <jsgotangco> we were thinking of asking mdz to drop the freeze
[03:18] <ogra> i think thats a good plan, but i doubt mdz will agree
[03:18] <ogra> i'd drop both, artwork and doc freeze
[03:18] <jsgotangco> jbailey started uploading today
[03:19] <jsgotangco> the whole day we were fixing the faqguide so its the most decent doc we'll have for 5.10
[03:19] <jsgotangco> but some of the stuff i'm not really in favor
[03:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, if the CD is in shape i'll have time left to help out on the cookbook...
[03:20] <jsgotangco> don't worry about it, its just a hectic time for me atm
[03:20] <ogra> and since i know the technical side best it would probably speed up things...
[03:20] <jsgotangco> even if im not working, i've been invited to talk to schools and im preparing for linuxworld in 2 weeks
[03:21] <jsgotangco> the structure is there, but what really lacks now is the technical side
[03:22] <jsgotangco> docs can be easily pushed as an update anyway
[03:22] <jsgotangco> that is my opinion
[03:31] <ogra> yup
[03:31] <jsgotangco> it doesn't help as well that we're only 4 people active in writing
[03:32] <jsgotangco> well make that 3
[03:34] <ogra> i hae no problem with writing docs as long as i have the time :)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> same here
[03:37] <jsgotangco> the fault we made was that half of the time people were talking about ingfrastructure
[03:38] <ogra> yup
[03:38] <ogra> same with edubuntu, to many discussions...packed with xorg and c++ transition...
[03:40] <jsgotangco> well generally xorg really had a huge impact on our workflow
[03:41] <ogra> yup
[03:42] <ogra> c++ too... 
[03:42] <ogra> its still not done for universe
[03:44] <jsgotangco> gyahh
[03:44] <jsgotangco> hmm so i guess some stuff in universe won't come out by release?
[03:45] <ogra> yup, looks like... i'm pushing as much as i can... but we are simply not enough MOTUs
[03:47] <jsgotangco> i was hoping for the intro developer doc being done in time, but i still don't see it
[03:47] <jsgotangco> hopefully i grow further after breezy
[03:49] <ogra> Unfrgiven was making a lot of noise after UDU about that docs... but since he's MOTU i havent even seen him online (2 months or so)
[03:52] <jsgotangco> well yes we talked about it as well
[03:52] <jsgotangco> but he is probably busy at school
[04:06] <ogra> YAY
[04:06] <ogra> the CD looks gooood !!!!
[04:07] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.3/report.html
[04:07] <ogra> only ppc stuff left
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hmmm getting better
[04:13] <ogra> if i'd drop emacs now, ppc would be good too, and we'd have a preview release
[04:13] <ogra> *g*
[04:14] <jsgotangco> *sigh* i guess thats a necessary evil
[04:15] <ogra> dont worry, i'D drop vim too... and we had to deal with nano :)
[04:15] <ogra> no, seriously, i can still drop the langs other then en
[04:17] <jsgotangco> are you still aiming for 1CD?
[04:17] <ogra> i'm aiming for one CD without langpacks ad a DVD with langpacks, yes
[04:17] <ogra> but for testing i want to leave some additional langs on the cD
[04:47] <jsgotangco> oh it just stopped raining
[04:47] <jsgotangco> maybe the pub across is still open...
[05:16] <jsgotangco> later all, have a nice weekend
[05:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW: we're fine now :)
[05:17] <JaneW> good :)
[05:18] <JaneW> I have such a nack of rubbing ppl up the wrong way...
[05:18] <jsgotangco> huh?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> errr
[05:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW: what is this pdf that you said you posted?
[05:24] <jsgotangco> nvm i'll just look for it myself
[05:26] <jsgotangco> tuxlab cookbook
[05:27] <jsgotangco> *sigh*
[05:29] <JaneW> yes
[05:29] <JaneW> sorry
[05:29] <jsgotangco> for?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> it can't be helped
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i'll make you a compromise
[05:30] <JaneW> ok...?
[05:31] <jsgotangco> i'll rip the existing cookbook now and just change all the entries from tuxlab to edubuntu
[05:31] <jsgotangco> and just edit up the remaining text
[05:31] <jsgotangco> and you'll have your cookbook by hmmm thursday
[05:31] <JaneW> that will be a good start :)
[05:32] <JaneW> and I am sure we can get to fixing other intricacies after..
[05:32] <jsgotangco> by pushing it as an update
[05:32] <JaneW> :)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> im not that much of a scripting guru but i'll sort out the image not being included in the pdf/html by next week
[05:34] <JaneW> I'd better go my son just said 'I noticed that 1 minute is shorter than 5 minutes'
[05:34] <JaneW> clearly I am misleading him...
[05:34] <jsgotangco> ok i should try to sleep
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i've been in front of a laptop all day
[06:43] <highvoltage> JaneW_away: you got a response :)
[07:26] <ali4728> Can anyone help with multiple web site hosting on a single IP ( Name Based Virt Host) ?
[09:36] <ogra> gnah
[09:38] <highvoltage> hang
[09:40] <ogra> damned... only one small error on the current CD
[09:41] <ogra> ltsp-build-client doesnt get run at the end of the install process.... otherwise the CD is fine now
[09:45] <highvoltage> wow.
[09:46] <ogra> and the artwork is still in universe, but that should change next week
[09:46] <ogra> so we are ready to go with a preview release hand in hand with ubuntu...
[09:47] <highvoltage> that's so cool. what's the status on teachertool? i've been a bit out of touch.
[09:47] <ogra> me too :)
[09:47] <ogra> i'll get back to it as soon as the CD stands
[09:48] <highvoltage> nice
[09:48] <ogra> i did a lot of work on the login manager, it will be no problem to have a xdmcp like feature, but only to edubuntu (ssh driven) servers
[09:49] <ogra> which can be in principle every ssh server that has a windowmanager (no X needed) installed
[09:54] <highvoltage> i hope i get to test the edubuntu ltsp properly this weekend. last i got to play with it was more than three weeks ago. have had lots of deadlines recently.
[09:54] <ogra> it would be really nice if you could...
[09:55] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.4/
[09:55] <ogra> thats the best one we have now... 
[09:55] <highvoltage> i think i just need to focus myself more.
[09:55] <ogra> and its really good already... 
[09:56] <highvoltage> i get distracted easily, there's just so more i wish i knew, i'd like to learn python really well.
[09:56] <ogra> lets wok together on some stuff for breezy+1
[09:56] <ogra> work even
[09:57] <highvoltage> yes, that would be great.
[09:57] <highvoltage> how do i uuencode those icons in the gartoon theme?
[09:58] <highvoltage> nevermind, i'll ask you tomorrow, it's been a long day :)
[09:58] <highvoltage> how are you feeling? things are coming together good, hey?
[09:58] <ogra> yup, and i'm a bit distracted, just finishing my test install
[09:58] <ogra> yep
[09:59] <ogra> i'm feeling great, except we shuld have had this status a month ago :)
[09:59] <highvoltage> is it just edubuntu that's a bit behind, or ubuntu too?
[09:59] <ogra> but i'm confident we'll match the release deadline with a really cool distro
[09:59] <ogra> ubuntu just dropped all stuff that couldnt make it very early...
[09:59] <highvoltage> that's cool. i have lots of confidence in you and the ubuntu team.
[10:00] <ogra> but universe is in a very bad state... the transitions are all not finished yet
[10:00] <ogra> edubuntu will suffer from that as well
[10:00] <ogra> sadly
[10:01] <highvoltage> transitions? is that when the sid packages need to be ubuntu-ised?
[10:01] <ogra> nope, thats if something very basic changes an everything depending on it has to be fixed
[10:02] <ogra> i.e. gcc4 and xorg
[10:02] <ogra> that were the most noticeable
[10:02] <ogra> ones
[10:03] <ogra> hey JaneW 
[10:05] <highvoltage> geez.