=== Orby [n=orbman@85-210-170-12.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] grgrmmgrmbl. [01:33] some customers... arh [01:33] *stab* [01:34] at 1:33 ? [01:34] that's when I read mail :P [01:34] ah :) [01:34] "we're having problems with some email stuff, which you already told us that we cannot get a proper solution to before we change ISPs to your cooperative one. But please fix it fast anyway." [01:35] not exactly quited :P [01:35] quoted [01:35] also they're having lots of trouble with the network [01:35] if they propose that they want to go back to Windows, I'm all ears :P [01:36] done so much free work for them, and now they breach the contract by doing stuff without notifying us, and complain because it doesn't work [01:37] same customer who wondered why the unshielded cat-5 hanging from a powerline didnt work [01:38] *sigh* guess I have to go out there tomorrow though :P [01:39] hmm [01:40] this was the first place we started working at so we were unexperienced, we didn't put enough demands towards their infrastructure etc. [01:40] deeply regret that now [01:42] as long as they pay up for server + network infrastructure, and make sure everything else is compatible, the rest can be crap :P [01:42] mostly. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [05:25] hmm JaneW are you doing an all-nighter? === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-69-224-19-59.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:23] ogra: i did a ltsp-build-client from the latest edubuntu cd, but it said some packages failed to download, run apt-get update, should it still work as expected? === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.46] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:03] hi jsgotangco [08:03] no I wasn't at my screen all night [08:03] just stayed on-line [08:20] hehe [08:20] 2 hours of sleep :D [08:53] magnon: you? [08:54] I intended to work again last night, but passed out while watching 'CSI-NY' after going to gym ;) [08:55] hmm [08:55] nice going [09:02] JaneW: yeah [09:09] heh [09:09] this winter has not been kind to me... [09:16] oh, you guys have winter [09:16] hehe [09:16] not that there's any difference anyway [09:16] either rain or snow === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === pere_gone is now known as pere === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [11:51] ogra: ping [11:52] JaneW, pong [11:52] ogra: you never mailed me a tech update on edubuntu yesterday [11:52] ergh.. oh, sorry... [11:52] ogra: I put in what I could, which I hope was accurate [11:52] ogra: can you give me a few lines for the BreezyGoals pages please? [11:52] the main work was caring for all apps to get to main [11:52] ogra: do you know if/when we gcan go 'green'? [11:53] ogra: yes I mentioned the status of the main inclusion reports [11:53] i hpe the next CD build will be good enough to go with it... lets see, i'm actively working with Kamion on it currently [11:54] ogra: great, is kamion helping with the problems you had? [11:54] if i have the first successfull install here, we can go to green [11:54] yay - how optimistic are you feeling? [11:54] ogra: are you available for the meeing later? [11:55] in fact they were caused by his bootloader config, and by some missing entrys ... i just couldnt change it with him because he wasnt here and i didnt recognize it before... [11:55] sure i am [11:55] ogra: that sounds promising [11:55] yup [11:55] is the artwork ok now? [11:55] i'm very courious... Kamion triggers a new build directly after the changes === JaneW too [11:56] do you run breezy ? [11:56] ogra: no not yet... I am dying to see it [11:56] where can I see screen shots? [11:56] I keep hearing it looks nice.. [11:56] ah, ok, else i would have said just instal edubuntu-artwork [11:58] the package is up, i'll add the other artwork in the next upload again... currently its only my stuff and a huge license... elmo wanted a special flavour of the cc [11:58] right [11:58] but is the artwork ok legally now? [11:58] will elmo accept it? do you think? [11:59] i'll ask him for every piece i add :-P [12:12] oh, which one? [12:12] (license) [12:12] and must I put that up on the site too? [12:12] there's licensing all over our wiki now... [12:13] must I get official permission from highvoltage too? :p === Rondom [n=andreas@B1be2.b.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu [12:32] **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 90 mins [12:49] no way [12:49] i should be drinking tonight [12:51] any doc updates? [12:51] will we still get any docs? [12:51] not the cookbook for sure [12:51] do we have a usable system? [12:51] BOooHOOoo [12:51] we are waiting [12:51] kamion is building it right now [12:51] we can't have docs with something we don't have atm [12:51] I out the how to pdf on the wiki in the mean time [12:52] or else i'll be better off writing a fiction novel [12:52] lol === JaneW goes to get lunch [12:52] i hope you understand my reasons for that [12:53] it doesn't help as well that me an jbailey are a bit busy for preview release [12:53] yes I do, because you are difficult [12:53] i'm difficult? [12:53] ???? [12:55] i hope that is a typo because i do not understand what you mean by that [12:57] *run* [12:57] *hide* [12:57] *rotfl* [12:58] i'm difficult? [01:01] im going out [01:01] "i'm not difficult" === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [02:00] **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting iNOW [02:00] **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW === TheRondom [n=andreas@B1ae7.b.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=andreas@B1b1a.b.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-112.info.com.ph] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] jsgotangco: are we still talking? [03:10] I am sorry if I upset you - my comment was in jest. I don't always think before I speak [03:10] and it seemed funny at the time [03:12] sure i was just working all day on the docs [03:12] i was just tired [03:12] we were under pressure to deliver by preview [03:15] sorry [03:15] i didn't really understand the joke [03:15] I really do appreciate all you have done so far [03:15] nahh its ok [03:15] I was teasing [03:16] I don;t think you are difficult, in fact you have been very accomodating so far, so the joke was that it's so far from the truth it's funny... but whatever [03:16] let's forget it? [03:17] jsgotangco, why were you under pressure ? doc freeze is still more then a week to go, isnt it ? [03:17] ogra: we don't have that great docs atm [03:17] we were thinking of asking mdz to drop the freeze [03:18] i think thats a good plan, but i doubt mdz will agree [03:18] i'd drop both, artwork and doc freeze [03:18] jbailey started uploading today [03:19] the whole day we were fixing the faqguide so its the most decent doc we'll have for 5.10 [03:19] but some of the stuff i'm not really in favor [03:19] jsgotangco, if the CD is in shape i'll have time left to help out on the cookbook... [03:20] don't worry about it, its just a hectic time for me atm [03:20] and since i know the technical side best it would probably speed up things... [03:20] even if im not working, i've been invited to talk to schools and im preparing for linuxworld in 2 weeks [03:21] the structure is there, but what really lacks now is the technical side [03:22] docs can be easily pushed as an update anyway [03:22] that is my opinion [03:31] yup [03:31] it doesn't help as well that we're only 4 people active in writing [03:32] well make that 3 [03:34] i hae no problem with writing docs as long as i have the time :) [03:37] same here [03:37] the fault we made was that half of the time people were talking about ingfrastructure [03:38] yup [03:38] same with edubuntu, to many discussions...packed with xorg and c++ transition... [03:40] well generally xorg really had a huge impact on our workflow [03:41] yup [03:42] c++ too... [03:42] its still not done for universe [03:44] gyahh [03:44] hmm so i guess some stuff in universe won't come out by release? [03:45] yup, looks like... i'm pushing as much as i can... but we are simply not enough MOTUs [03:47] i was hoping for the intro developer doc being done in time, but i still don't see it [03:47] hopefully i grow further after breezy [03:49] Unfrgiven was making a lot of noise after UDU about that docs... but since he's MOTU i havent even seen him online (2 months or so) [03:52] well yes we talked about it as well [03:52] but he is probably busy at school [04:06] YAY [04:06] the CD looks gooood !!!! [04:07] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.3/report.html [04:07] only ppc stuff left === ogra rsyncs [04:12] hmmm getting better [04:13] if i'd drop emacs now, ppc would be good too, and we'd have a preview release [04:13] *g* [04:14] *sigh* i guess thats a necessary evil [04:15] dont worry, i'D drop vim too... and we had to deal with nano :) [04:15] no, seriously, i can still drop the langs other then en [04:17] are you still aiming for 1CD? [04:17] i'm aiming for one CD without langpacks ad a DVD with langpacks, yes [04:17] but for testing i want to leave some additional langs on the cD [04:47] oh it just stopped raining [04:47] maybe the pub across is still open... [05:16] later all, have a nice weekend [05:16] JaneW: we're fine now :) [05:17] good :) [05:18] I have such a nack of rubbing ppl up the wrong way... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-112.info.com.ph] has joined #edubuntu [05:18] huh? [05:20] errr [05:24] JaneW: what is this pdf that you said you posted? [05:24] nvm i'll just look for it myself [05:26] tuxlab cookbook [05:27] *sigh* [05:29] yes [05:29] sorry [05:29] for? [05:30] it can't be helped [05:30] i'll make you a compromise [05:30] ok...? [05:31] i'll rip the existing cookbook now and just change all the entries from tuxlab to edubuntu [05:31] and just edit up the remaining text [05:31] and you'll have your cookbook by hmmm thursday [05:31] that will be a good start :) [05:32] and I am sure we can get to fixing other intricacies after.. [05:32] by pushing it as an update [05:32] :) [05:33] im not that much of a scripting guru but i'll sort out the image not being included in the pdf/html by next week [05:34] I'd better go my son just said 'I noticed that 1 minute is shorter than 5 minutes' [05:34] clearly I am misleading him... [05:34] ok i should try to sleep [05:34] i've been in front of a laptop all day === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu [06:43] JaneW_away: you got a response :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === ali4728 [n=ali@ppp-69-236-158-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu [07:26] Can anyone help with multiple web site hosting on a single IP ( Name Based Virt Host) ? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW_away [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone === ali4728 [n=ali@ppp-69-236-158-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.46] has joined #edubuntu === jeang [n=jeang@c2-dbn-73.absamail.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jeang [n=jeang@c2-dbn-73.absamail.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === bdoin [n=coudoin@blagnac-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-157-181.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=andreas@B1bf8.b.pppool.de] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] gnah [09:38] hang [09:40] damned... only one small error on the current CD [09:41] ltsp-build-client doesnt get run at the end of the install process.... otherwise the CD is fine now [09:45] wow. [09:46] and the artwork is still in universe, but that should change next week [09:46] so we are ready to go with a preview release hand in hand with ubuntu... [09:47] that's so cool. what's the status on teachertool? i've been a bit out of touch. [09:47] me too :) [09:47] i'll get back to it as soon as the CD stands [09:48] nice [09:48] i did a lot of work on the login manager, it will be no problem to have a xdmcp like feature, but only to edubuntu (ssh driven) servers [09:49] which can be in principle every ssh server that has a windowmanager (no X needed) installed === bdoin [n=coudoin@blagnac-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has left #edubuntu ["Client] [09:54] i hope i get to test the edubuntu ltsp properly this weekend. last i got to play with it was more than three weeks ago. have had lots of deadlines recently. [09:54] it would be really nice if you could... [09:55] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.4/ [09:55] thats the best one we have now... [09:55] i think i just need to focus myself more. [09:55] and its really good already... [09:56] i get distracted easily, there's just so more i wish i knew, i'd like to learn python really well. === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.166] has joined #edubuntu [09:56] lets wok together on some stuff for breezy+1 [09:56] work even [09:57] yes, that would be great. [09:57] how do i uuencode those icons in the gartoon theme? [09:58] nevermind, i'll ask you tomorrow, it's been a long day :) [09:58] how are you feeling? things are coming together good, hey? [09:58] yup, and i'm a bit distracted, just finishing my test install [09:58] yep [09:59] i'm feeling great, except we shuld have had this status a month ago :) [09:59] is it just edubuntu that's a bit behind, or ubuntu too? [09:59] but i'm confident we'll match the release deadline with a really cool distro [09:59] ubuntu just dropped all stuff that couldnt make it very early... [09:59] that's cool. i have lots of confidence in you and the ubuntu team. [10:00] but universe is in a very bad state... the transitions are all not finished yet [10:00] edubuntu will suffer from that as well [10:00] sadly [10:01] transitions? is that when the sid packages need to be ubuntu-ised? 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