[12:04] <Tm_T> teprrr: some KDE related?
[12:05] <Tm_T> (maybe google knows)
[12:05] <teprrr> kde releated yes, iirc
[12:06] <teprrr> odd that akregator's filter doesn't find it... :P
[12:06] <Tm_T> :/
[12:06] <Tm_T> try only tm
[12:07] <teprrr> or was it in news.. hum
[12:07] <Tm_T> :o
[12:07] <Tm_T> so I'm famous =:O
[12:07] <teprrr> google group doesn't find it either.. duh
[12:07] <Tm_T> no autographs, punk
[12:08] <Tm_T> google hits: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Best_of_irc   <-- scroll all the way down
[12:09] <teprrr> nah, that wasn't it
[12:10] <teprrr> it was something amarok releated, I think
[12:10] <Tm_T> ok
[12:11] <Tm_T> then I understand
[12:11] <teprrr> stupid knode doesn't allow me to search frmo the articles
[12:13] <Tm_T> :(
[12:14] <nikkia> yay, this is the most fun kind of debugging!
[12:15] <nikkia> the idiots that wrote this API, appear to have used the 'f' functions in opengl, so sprites get randomly cropped due to rounding errors
[12:15] <kayfelix> #join #ubuntu-deve
[12:16] <kayfelix> lol thanks
[12:16] <thoreauputic> and a /
[12:16] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: BTW I hope you aren't going to ask for support there...
[12:17] <kayfelix> oh
[12:17] <kayfelix> that bad?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: not bad - they are extremely busy with breezy
[12:17] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: #ubuntu and #kubuntu are the support channels
[12:17] <kayfelix> whats breezy's problem?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: heh - not a problem: release coming next month
[12:18] <kayfelix> well if #kubuntu is the support channel then I _am_ in the right place ;)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: #ubuntu-devel is for the developers to coordinate their work
[12:19] <kayfelix> oh, you meant ubuntu-devel
[12:19] <kayfelix> ok np
[12:19] <kayfelix> no its just a guy there who might have been able to help but he's at work
[12:19] <kayfelix> my sound you see, its fucked
[12:19] <kayfelix> AC'97 realtek - alsa drivers all working, everything as far as I can tell looking peachy
[12:19] <kayfelix> but no output
[12:20] <kayfelix> system beep works too, over the lineout - but I just dont get anything to play
[12:20] <crimsun> you need to paste the output of amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:20] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: did you try running alsamixer and unmuting channels?
[12:20] <kayfelix> hey crimsun! ur the guy i was looking for lol
[12:20] <kayfelix> pate.ubuntulinux.nl is what?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: you are in good hands ;)
[12:21] <crimsun> paste.ubuntulinux.nl is a pastebin-like Web site
[12:21] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: s/pate/paste
[12:21] <teprrr> Tm_T, hmm, read that war thread on s.a.s but couldn't find it :/
[12:21] <kayfelix> ive tried alsamixer, everything looks good
[12:22] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: do what crimsun suggests :)
[12:22] <Tm_T> teprrr: s.a.s. ?
[12:22] <teprrr> Tm_T, sfnet.atk.sodat
[12:22] <teprrr> gnome vs. kde ;)
[12:22] <Tm_T> ah
[12:22] <kayfelix> thoreeaputic: what will that bring me?
[12:22] <Tm_T> =)
[12:22] <Blissex> kayfelix: usually that's because either of a some wrong output routing setting, or missing kernel driver module parameter.
[12:23] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: expert help from crimsun ?
[12:23] <kayfelix> thoreauputic: sounds good
[12:23] <kayfelix> Blissex: what do you suggest?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> kayfelix: crimsun you need to paste the output of amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:23] <teprrr> but umh, I have to go to sleep now.. gonna have to wake up early and gonna hike later:P
[12:23] <teprrr> bye
[12:23] <crimsun> Blissex also has written a very good resource, you'll want to read through it
[12:23] <Blissex> kayfelix: for example for one can no analog output happens unless IEC958 Capture is disabled. So experiment.
[12:24] <Tm_T> teprrr: see ya
[12:24] <Blissex> kayfelix: and do web searches with the name of your chipset to see if someone has already found the magic combination of settings.
[12:24] <Nalioth> crimsun: you are in demand
[12:24] <kayfelix> Blissex: web searches ive done, havent come up with a solution - someone said recompile my linux kernel thing, ive come to the QConf thing but thats where my expertise ended
[12:25] <kayfelix> Crimsun: pasted the amixer output.
[12:26] <Blissex> kayfelix: naaa, thats almost surely not needed.
[12:26] <kayfelix> Blissex: sure? ive had a look, dont think i need any of the acpi support...
[12:27] <Blissex> kayfelix: the ACPI support is unlikely to have an influence on the outcome.
[12:27] <crimsun> kayfelix: please mute the 'IEC958 Capture Monitor'
[12:27] <kayfelix> crimsun: using alsamixer?
[12:27] <crimsun> kayfelix: in a Konsole/Terminal, please execute: amixer sset 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' off
[12:38] <Sho_> Any way to access the cuses-based network settings UI from the installer on a finalized installation? The GUI frontend has screwed things up
[12:40] <hettar> anyone using the breezy repo yet ?? and if so is it useable ?
[12:41] <crimsun> kayfelix: did you see my advice above?
[12:45] <Nalioth> crimsun: we having fun yet?
[12:45] <transgress> anyone having problems with aim on kopete?
[12:55] <nikkia> hmmm
[12:55] <gsuveg> re
[12:55] <gsuveg> what is remote administration package in kde ?
[12:56] <gsuveg> where can i share my desktop and login into it ?
[01:11] <cogito_ergo_sum> saludos
[01:15] <cogito_ergo_sum> alguien que me pueda guiar con un problemita en ubuntu?
[01:15] <Nalioth> cogito_ergo_sum: en #ubuntu-es, por favor
[01:16] <cogito_ergo_sum> que delicados... no yque la comunidad del software libre se ayudaba toda?? que bolas...
[01:16] <Nalioth> cogito_ergo_sum: please speak english here
[01:23] <nikkia> whooo, all done
[01:23] <nikkia> i think they should award 'geek wings' for that kind of work :P
[01:25] <Nalioth> nikkia: what kind of work is that?
[01:26] <nikkia> Nalioth: mentally reverse engineering an API's inner structure by observing changes in behaviour given different input values to determine a bug, then working out a way around the bug without having to change a single line of code within the API :)
[01:27] <nikkia> Nalioth: the bottom line is: the API vendor is converting x,y co-ordinates from integers to 32bit floats in the range 0.0 to 1.0, and using those to display the sprites :)
[01:28] <Nalioth> nikkia: please please, i'm tired enough as it is. you're glazin my eyes horrible
[01:28] <nikkia> (they don't tell me any of that, and they seem blissfully unaware of why people are getting strange visual artifacts after switching from 768x1024 to 768x1366 :)
[01:30] <nikkia> sorry, its just taken up a day of my life trying to work out why these artifacts were happening, and i'm kind of pleased that its all sorted now...
[01:31] <nikkia> and as a bonus, tomorrow i can look all smug when i explain to the other dev team why they're getting visual artifacts, and how they can get rid of them :)
[01:32] <Nalioth> nikkia: well great! 
[01:33] <nikkia> Nalioth: i wouldn't class it as a 'good' day, really, as i said, all day spent trying to find this bug, which amounts to, umm, 18 hours so far today
[01:34] <Nalioth> nikkia: i'm happy you accomplished something 
[01:48] <mindframe> does fluxbox work w/ ubuntu?
[01:48] <Nalioth> mindframe: yes it does
[01:50] <mindframe> would i just uninstall gnome and proceed?
[01:51] <Nalioth> mindframe: keep gnome, it don't take up too much space
[02:37] <DewDude> does kubuntu put a lock on KDE themes?
[02:40] <Nalioth> DewDude: lock?
[02:43] <douglas> When I try to start firefox in the command line or at all it just doesn't and goes to the next line in the shell without any messages?
[02:49] <DewDude> yeah
[02:49] <DewDude> i selected a theme and it never loaded
[02:49] <DewDude> then again, i probably did it wrong
[02:50] <^Cricket^> anyone know of a golbal file i can add a export to?
[02:50] <Nalioth> ^Cricket^: what are you exporting?
[02:51] <^Cricket^> TERM=ansi
[02:52] <Nalioth> ^Cricket^: put it in your .bashrc 
[02:55] <^Cricket^> k
[03:04] <delltony> anyone here gotten kmobile-tools to install on here?
[03:38] <flugh> holy cow, kontact imported my thunderbird messages, no problemo. what a deal :)
[03:46] <Nalioth> flugh: service with a smile
[03:46] <flugh> Nalioth: :)
[03:49] <DewDude> i must say, thus far, i like kubuntu
[03:49] <DewDude> except i don't have automount..and i have to kill processes everytime i go to eject the CD, but, that's no biggie
[03:51] <flugh> i just have to get kde to feel as comfy as my gnome desktop. it's just not what i want visually and 'userly', but overall, i like it better functionally (do i make sense?)
[03:52] <DewDude> heh
[03:52] <DewDude> i've just been a KDE man
[03:52] <DewDude> ever since i installed RH5 and it was preinstalled
[03:52] <DewDude> i was like "oooh"
[03:53] <DewDude> i've thought about installing the gnome enviroment that comes in vanilla ubuntu
[03:53] <DewDude> just to try
[03:53] <flugh> well, i love the stock ubuntu desktop, but this kubuntu-dekstop/kde stuff just seems to fit together better. dunno, maybe i'm just bored and liking change :)
[03:54] <DewDude> heh
[03:54] <DewDude> i like KDE
[03:54] <DewDude> it has all sorts of cool things
[03:54] <flugh> hah, kde on rh5. i remember when kde was not in the standard debian pool. rusty@snowcrash.com was building debs :)
[03:54] <DewDude> heh
[03:54] <DewDude> well, this was a few years ago
[03:54] <DewDude> i bought "Teach yourself linux programming in 24-hours"
[03:55] <DewDude> solely for the CD
[03:55] <DewDude> it was $3.99 in a bargin bin...but it was a brand new book
[03:55] <flugh> he built some without libjpeg support. that confused me a bit. i was like 'where's my friggin images???'
[03:55] <DewDude> when they opened the box...they sliced through the cover
[03:55] <flugh> heh, those are the best deals
[03:55] <DewDude> actually..there was teach yourself linux programming and teach yourself linux
[03:55] <DewDude> one came with RH5
[03:55] <DewDude> the other with Caldra
[03:56] <DewDude> or whatever
[03:56] <Nalioth> e17 is gonna rock
[03:56] <flugh> i still have my 'learning linux 2nd edition' with slack, caldera, and rh 4.? discs. my first ever
[03:56] <DewDude> heh
[03:56] <DewDude> well, i got ahold of debian 1.something on an issue of boot
[03:56] <flugh> editted by volkerding(sp?) IIRC
[03:56] <DewDude> they had a stripped down install CD in one of the magazines
[03:56] <DewDude> i never got it running
[03:56] <DewDude> that was 1997
[03:56] <DewDude> here i am..years later
[03:56] <flugh> DewDude: no! it was boot #9 november of ??
[03:56] <DewDude> i STILL don't know linux
[03:56] <flugh> DewDude: that was mine too :)
[03:56] <DewDude> 97
[03:57] <flugh> haha! i still have the disc
[03:57] <DewDude> boot 2 was October of 97
[03:57] <DewDude> heh
[03:57] <DewDude> did you ever get boot #24
[03:57] <DewDude> mine had a flawed disc
[03:57] <DewDude> it got printed boot 24
[03:57] <flugh> nah, i subscribed, got boot to nearly the maximumpc change
[03:57] <DewDude> ahhh
[03:57] <DewDude> like, second to last issue or something
[03:58] <DewDude> cuz my original subscription ran out on maximumPC2
[03:58] <flugh> tossed them all eventually, but kept my #9 disc for posterity
[03:58] <DewDude> but..anyway...my one bootcd was pressed with NT4
[03:58] <DewDude> rather than boot
[03:58] <DewDude> i installed it too
[03:58] <DewDude> using a CD key of all 1's
[03:59] <flugh> heh, i installed that debian distro with nothing but screenshots from the mag. used fips to non-destructively repart my 1.1G laptop hard drive. i felt pretty 1337 ;)
[03:59] <flugh> it was MONTHS before i learned 'man'
[03:59] <DewDude> heh
[03:59] <DewDude> i tried
[03:59] <DewDude> i never learned
[03:59] <DewDude> i'm STILL learning basics
[03:59] <DewDude> however, unlike before...i've got hardware i've dedicated to nothing but linux
[04:00] <flugh> yeah, gotta have a dedicated linux box. a bastion of sanity in a cruel world
[04:00] <DewDude> oh yeah
[04:00] <DewDude> i agree
[04:00] <DewDude> well, see
[04:01] <DewDude> last year i tried arch
[04:01] <DewDude> i had a friend who was talking me through everything
[04:01] <DewDude> and i did get it running
[04:01] <DewDude> and used it solely for two months..then i had to go back to windows
[04:01] <DewDude> now i got this audio restoration stuff taking off
[04:01] <DewDude> and..i NEED windows for that
[04:02] <DewDude> like, you might say "but, you got audio apps for linux"
[04:02] <DewDude> they don't perform the way i need
[04:02] <DewDude> like..i do all my stuff in 96khz/24-bit
[04:02] <flugh> i have to say, kde audio isn't my favorite. i 'think' i can hear the difference between the arts engine and xine engine in amarok. i swear, arts sounds like farts
[04:03] <DewDude> heh
[04:03] <DewDude> i plugged headphones into this
[04:03] <DewDude> they sound horrible
[04:03] <DewDude> i need to get alsa-mixer and adjust that
[04:03] <DewDude> cuz i remember with my audigy i had to adjust a LOT of stuff in there before i got clean sound
[04:04] <DewDude> however, after playing with this
[04:04] <DewDude> i like it
[04:19] <mark> Anybody else having trouble getting sw-flashplayer working properly through konqueror?
[04:21] <Nalioth> mark: which flashplayer?
[04:23] <mark> I amguessing it's the latest one avail from Macromedia. does 7.1 sound right? I even installedit through debian/ubuntu... no good luck.
[04:26] <Nalioth> mark, i'm not sure what is available via apt-get
[04:26] <Nalioth> try d/l the file from macromedia, and following the directions included with it
[04:28] <mark> When I use fire-fox it loads up flash pages perfectly. konqueror loads up a blank slate. I have tried disguising the identity of my browser, etc...
[04:36] <DewDude> heh...that was close
[04:36] <flugh> w00t
[04:38] <frank23> what are the chances that my alsa driver supports 5.1? I know my hardware does
[04:44] <Spudchat> what is a bittorrent client i can use?
[04:47] <Nalioth> bittornado or azureus
[04:51] <Spudchat> ty
[05:07] <frank23> what is a good frontend for mplayer? (in KDE)
[05:08] <_static> kaffeine likes to stay in the background and suck up 99% of my cpu after i'm done using it to play dvds.
[05:08] <_static> so that's always fun.
[05:09] <hettar> there is a package that fixes that
[05:09] <hettar> hmm let me see if I can find it
[05:10] <_static> really? neat.
[05:10] <hettar> Yeah I think I found it on the ubuntu forums but let me check
[05:11] <_static> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27670.html
[05:11] <_static> is that it?
[05:12] <hettar> yeah thats it. It fixed the problem for me
[05:13] <_static> cool. thanks!
[05:21] <iLLf8d> evening all 
[05:21] <iLLf8d> can anyone tell me if kubuntu has apt-get sources available also?
[05:23] <hettar> it uses the same ones as ubuntu
[05:23] <_ethan> Can someone help me figure out how to get my wireless to connect at startup and not search an ethernet cable?
[05:24] <_ethan> i am pretty new to linux
[05:24] <iLLf8d> and do the regular build tools work with it? ie auto-apt apt-build etc...?
[05:25] <hettar> _ethan: you can install laptop-net to manage your ethernet better (I'm assuming you have a laptop)
[05:25] <hettar> iLLf8d: kubuntu is just ubuntu but it installs kde instead of gnome by default
[05:25] <hettar> same repository etc
[05:25] <_ethan> yes i have a laptop hettar
[05:26] <hettar> then laptop-net is what you want if you ethernet supports MII which most (but not my new one :() do support
[05:27] <iLLf8d> I have no ubuntu install exposure I'd be coming from debian (been using it for years)
[05:27] <hettar> as for automatically connecting to a wireless network, there are some daemons to do that but I haven't tried any. I wrote my own daemon is shell script which does it
[05:27] <hettar> iLLf8d: yeah I switch from debian not long ago.
[05:28] <_ethan> what about laptop-netconf should that be installed?
[05:28] <hettar> iLLf8d: basically an ubuntu install can be converted to a kubuntu install by installin kde-desktop meta package
[05:28] <iLLf8d> hettar: I'm must making sure I can build stuff from source packages, make deb'd custom kernels and get all the patches working like I'm hoping
[05:28] <hettar> _ethan: I never do. but that is becuase I have never been able to figure out WTF it actually does
[05:29] <iLLf8d> s/must/just
[05:29] <hettar> iLLf8d: all works the same
[05:29] <iLLf8d> hettar: does kubuntu have a sid equiv also?
[05:30] <Nalioth> hettar: that would be kubuntu-desktop
[05:30] <hettar> Nalioth: probably.
[05:30] <iLLf8d> Nalioth: could I roll a debian install to kubuntu successfully?
[05:31] <_ethan> hettar: thanx 4 your help
[05:31] <Nalioth> iLLf8d: depends on which debian. woody-definitely
[05:31] <hettar> no prob
[05:31] <Nalioth> iLLf8d: the newer the debian, the more conflicts will be raised
[05:31] <Kalidarn> hi in installing kubuntu on a laptop that doesn't have a internal cd drive (uses external usb interface) now as we know this works with nearly no linux distros. is it possible for me to install kubuntu/ubuntu in any other way that from the internet? like perhaps USB boot floppy then local FTP install? (thats how mandrake worked on there)
[05:31] <iLLf8d> Nalioth: I run sid and roll it up every month or so
[05:31] <iLLf8d> ah hrm
[05:32] <ilba7r> !sound
[05:32] <ubotu> well, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:32] <Nalioth> !tell Kalidarn about smartboot
[05:32] <Nalioth> iLLf8d: then you'll need to roll up your homedir and reinstall
[05:32] <_ethan> is there any way to stop searching for a nic at startup? it takes to long to search for it
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i think i tired smart boot once
[05:33] <Kalidarn> but it didnt owrk
[05:33] <Kalidarn> that was another distro
[05:33] <Nalioth> _ethan: hit ctrl-c when it searches
[05:34] <_ethan> does that cancel?
[05:34] <Nalioth> _ethan: it cancels whatever is currently running (iow, your nic search)
[05:34] <_ethan> nalioth: does that cancel the search?
[05:34] <_ethan> ok thankx
[05:34] <iLLf8d> Nalioth: hey can I pm you?
[05:35] <_ethan> thanks
[05:35] <Nalioth> _ethan: if you hit ctrl-c when it searches for the nic, yes. if you ctrl-c during ntp sync, it stops that process
[05:35] <Nalioth> iLLf8d: join ##apple
[05:35] <_ethan> ok thanks alot
[05:36] <_ethan> hettar: how do i open what i just installed?
[05:36] <_ethan> sorry but i am a real noob here
[05:42] <_ethan> hettar
[05:46] <_ethan> hettar: are you here?
[05:47] <frogtone25> im having a problem with apt-get and synaptic
[05:47] <frogtone25> help me please
[05:48] <_ethan> what is the prob?
[05:48] <_ethan> that will help someone help, i honestly probly cant help though but i can try
[05:49] <jsubl2> what is the problem
[05:49] <_ethan> frogtone25: what is the problem??
[05:49] <jsubl2> !sources
[05:49] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:52] <Nalioth> guys, frogtone has left the building
[05:52] <_ethan> lol
[05:56] <ilba7r> hi i have a VT82C686 AC97 sound controller. Whenever i use the scroll keys on firefox i hear a scratchy sound. Any one had a problem similar to that?
[05:56] <frogtone25> ok i really need help here
[05:56] <_ethan> what is the prob?
[05:57] <frogtone25> i lost my whole repositories list
[05:57] <frogtone25> i got most of it back
[05:57] <_ethan> !sources
[05:57] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:57] <frogtone25> but im missing the very first line on the /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <frogtone25> i need the cd line at the top of the sources.list
[05:58] <frogtone25> so i can get stuff off of my install disc
[05:59] <frogtone25> so can you help me with that one
[05:59] <frogtone25> im using hoary
[05:59] <frogtone25> it should be in your sources.list
[05:59] <frogtone25> if you are using hoary too
[06:01] <_ethan> where is it located again?
[06:01] <Nalioth> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:02] <frogtone25> nevermind i got it
[06:02] <frogtone25> thanks anyways
[06:02] <_ethan> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[06:02] <frogtone25> i know
[06:02] <_ethan> that line?
[06:02] <frogtone25> i just got it off the website
[06:02] <_ethan> that line
[06:02] <frogtone25> yeah
[06:02] <_ethan> ok
[06:02] <frogtone25> and i put apt-get update
[06:02] <frogtone25> and it worked 100%
[06:03] <_ethan> good deal
[06:03] <Nalioth> dang he's quick
[06:03] <_ethan> sure is
[06:03] <_ethan> lol
[06:03] <_ethan> i just installed laptop-net and do not know how to use it
[06:04] <_ethan> hettar was helping but he is not here or something
[06:04] <Nalioth> i might have some help in my pocket
[06:04] <iLLf8d> freak
[06:04] <iLLf8d> heh
[06:05] <_ethan> can you possibly dig some out?
[06:05] <iLLf8d> Nalioth: you should never repeat that line again
[06:05] <chx> hi. the kde kontrol center disappeared from the menu :( also my khotkeys does not work :(
[06:05] <iLLf8d> =P
[06:05] <_ethan> lol
[06:05] <Nalioth> for what?
[06:06] <chx> fixed khotkeys :)
[06:06] <lascar> the kontrol center is supposed to disapper
[06:06] <Kalidarn> Nalioth, smart boot manager booted and i saw it say about my drive, but when smart boot manager loaded my drive wasnt in the menue
[06:06] <lascar> part of the upgrade code
[06:06] <chx> lascar: oh... why?
[06:06] <lascar> just make a shortcut for it
[06:07] <lascar> chx: i have no clue.  the supreme-coders-that-be must've overlooked it
[06:07] <_ethan> so i installed laptop-net wtf is it? how do i use it?
[06:08] <_ethan> ne1?
[06:10] <lascar> !laptop-net
[06:10] <ubotu> lascar: I give up, what is it?
[06:10] <chx> bye
[06:10] <lascar> i believe laptop-net is a utility that allows linux to automatically configure your it's built-in ethernet
[06:10] <lascar> chx: laterz
[06:10] <_ethan> do i have to do anything with it?
[06:11] <lascar> dunno
[06:11] <lascar> my guess is no, but it's just a guess
[06:11] <lascar> or more like feeling
[06:11] <_ethan> ok thank you
[06:12] <lascar> _ethan: you know what?
[06:12] <_ethan> what?
[06:12] <lascar> install laptop-netconf and laptop-net-doc too
[06:12] <lascar> the documentation may help you
[06:12] <_ethan> what is netconf
[06:13] <_ethan> hettar said he didnot know wtf it did
[06:13] <lascar> laptop-netconf does what i said laptop-net did
[06:13] <_ethan> ok
[06:14] <lascar> laptop-net "automatically adapts laptop ethernet."
[06:14] <_ethan> ok
[06:15] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: all i can say is run the .iso onto your box and see if smart boot sees it
[06:15] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: put the .iso on the root of the HD
[06:15] <Kalidarn> ah
[06:15] <Kalidarn> it didnt say that ;) it said to try read it off your CD
[06:16] <Kalidarn> as it happens id dont have the iso anymore
[06:16] <Kalidarn> i suppose it will work if i try to re-create it
[06:17] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: just iso the cd you have
[06:17] <Kalidarn> yeah
[06:17] <Kalidarn> do i need any special options? ie bootable?
[06:17] <_ethan> lascar: i installed laptop-netconf what do i do after it has been installed?
[06:17] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: if you iso image it, it should retain it's bootability
[06:18] <Kalidarn> ah okay
[06:18] <Kalidarn> lol i just got pissed off with windows again, and its (not responding) errors
[06:19] <Kalidarn> fark
[06:19] <_ethan> lascar: i installed laptop-netconf what do i do after it has been installed?
[06:19] <Kalidarn> does Nalioth play games?
[06:20] <Kalidarn> ie decent ones, like for instance Direct3D and OpenGL ones.
[06:20] <Kalidarn> ones that require DirectX 9.0c
[06:20] <Nalioth> sorry. i'm a sourpuss
[06:20] <Nalioth> no games for me
[06:20] <Kalidarn> ;)
[06:20] <Kalidarn> i knew it
[06:20] <Kalidarn> your like what my brother used to be
[06:20] <Kalidarn> back in the days when linux sucked and nearly no one used it
[06:20] <Nalioth> ethan open a terminal and type dpkg -L laptop-netconf
[06:21] <Kalidarn> he used to use windows NT 3.5
[06:21] <Nalioth> _ethan: then read what comes up
[06:21] <Kalidarn> because it had "NTFS!"
[06:21] <Kalidarn> games didnt work on that either
[06:21] <Kalidarn> because nothing supported NTFS
[06:21] <Kalidarn> well softwares
[06:22] <_ethan> ok i read it?????
[06:22] <Nalioth> _ethan: to yourself, please
[06:22] <Nalioth> _ethan: anything in /usr/bin/ is a program
[06:22] <_ethan> ok
[06:23] <Nalioth> _ethan: you can open another terminal and type <progam-name> --help and see what it does/how it works
[06:23] <_ethan> ok thank you i am a noob to linux
[06:23] <_ethan> usr/sbin
[06:24] <Nalioth> those are executables, too (maybe)
[06:28] <ilba7r> !info clearlooks
[06:29] <Nalioth> !find install clearlooks
[06:29] <ilba7r> thanx
[06:29] <Nalioth> !Botsnack
[06:29] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[06:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'install clearlooks' returned no results.
[06:30] <ilba7r> !info clearlooks-engine
[06:30] <Nalioth> !google install clearlooks
[06:30] <ubotu> No idea, Nalioth
[06:31] <ilba7r> its in the repos
[06:31] <Nalioth> !scrape install clearlooks
[06:31] <ubotu> Nalioth: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:31] <Nalioth> ilba7r: you sure?
[06:32] <ilba7r> lol its gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[06:32] <ilba7r> !info gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[06:32] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-clearlooks: (ClearLooks theme), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.5-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 392 kB
[06:33] <ilba7r> did not think i have to write it all
[06:33] <Nalioth> ah, thought you were on about bluecurve
[06:33] <mushtaq> hi there
[06:33] <ilba7r> hi mushtaq nice nick
[06:34] <mushtaq> if i dont have internet at home what is the solution to install packages /
[06:34] <ilba7r> thanx for you help nailoth
[06:34] <mushtaq> ilba7r, thanx
[06:34] <Nalioth> mushtaq: apt-zip
[06:34] <mushtaq> Nalioth, apt-zip ? 
[06:34] <mushtaq> what is that ?
[06:35] <Nalioth> it is what you use for offline installation
[06:35] <mushtaq> but how to download ? 
[06:36] <mushtaq> Nalioth, apt-get --noinstall ? 
[06:36] <Nalioth> mushtaq: where do you download?
[06:36] <lascar> does anybody know how to use subversion?
[06:36] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i want to download at my college and use at home 
[06:37] <Nalioth> mushtaq: got linux and apt on your college box/
[06:37] <mushtaq> Nalioth, or if i need to install in multiple pc it is better that i download the updates and then install from cd 
[06:37] <mushtaq> yep kubuntu or ubuntu
[06:37] <Nalioth> when you get there, do a "man apt-zip" 
[06:38] <mushtaq> ok
[06:39] <Nalioth> apt-zip is used for offline installations
[06:39] <Nalioth> idk how it works
[06:39] <Nalioth> never have used it
[06:40] <mushtaq> Nalioth, never mind thanks for the help ;)
[06:41] <mushtaq> Nalioth, is there a way to download all the packages 
[06:41] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i mean some extra cd ? 
[06:41] <Nalioth> mushtaq: up to date packages? 
[06:41] <Nalioth> the only 'extra' cd i know is the unauthorized "extra" cd
[06:42] <Nalioth> i think apt-zip will do it for you. just keep a few blank cd-rs handy
[06:42] <lascar> does anyone have any clue how to operate Subversion?
[06:43] <mushtaq> Nalioth, that's great solved my problem partially implementation is thing now :d
[06:43] <mushtaq> >:D<
[06:43] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i go 
[06:43] <mushtaq> Nalioth, bye
[06:43] <Nalioth> mushtaq: be safe
[06:43] <mushtaq> Nalioth, is there a way to unbanned my name from ubuntu ?
[06:44] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i was trying to register with them but some mistakes they banned lol
[06:44] <Nalioth> mushtaq: why were you banned and who banned you?
[06:44] <mushtaq> Nalioth, dont know when i am trying to log in it is saying you are banned
[06:45] <Nalioth> no reason that you know of?
[06:45] <Nalioth> none?
[06:45] <mushtaq> just that i was trying to register with them as it sends us to ubuntu-regged
[06:46] <mushtaq> so i was trying to register and it was my first time registring to any channel and it took some time 
[06:46] <mushtaq> and i got banned
[06:46] <Nalioth> ah
[06:46] <Nalioth> when was this?
[06:46] <mushtaq> 2 days before
[06:46] <mushtaq> i can login from college but not from home
[06:46] <mushtaq> Nalioth, :(
[06:47] <Nalioth> yes i see
[06:47] <Nalioth> lemme talk to the ops
[06:47] <mushtaq> Nalioth, thanks 
[06:48] <mushtaq> Nalioth, what happend ? 
[06:48] <Nalioth> with what?
[06:49] <mushtaq> -Nalioth- dont make me regret askin this for you
[06:49] <mushtaq> Nalioth, what does that means ? 
[06:49] <Nalioth> well the ~ in front of your nick means it was a private notice
[06:49] <mushtaq> Nalioth, oh ok
[06:50] <mushtaq> Nalioth, did you talk to the guyz ? 
[06:50] <Nalioth> mushtaq: patience 
[06:50] <Nalioth> green fields
[06:50] <Nalioth> gentle winds
[06:50] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i got to go 
[06:50] <mushtaq> Nalioth, if i am not online they will unbanned me ? 
[06:51] <ubuntu> hrm
[06:51] <mushtaq> Nalioth, sure i love that channel
[06:54] <mushtaq> Nalioth, i have to go thanks for the help ;)
[07:50] <jamesconf> whats the command to configure the X server?
[07:52] <Nalioth> jamesconf: from a terminal, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:52] <jamesconf> ahh tricky command, thanks
[07:54] <kubuntuuser> anyone running on a powerbook ?
[07:55] <Nalioth> kubuntuuser: powermac here
[07:55] <kubuntuuser> do you have sound working ?
[08:04] <iLLf8d> Nalioth: guess he was timing your response time
[08:04] <Nalioth> sorry was busy
[08:04] <Nalioth> got many windows open
[08:04] <Nalioth> helpin many people
[08:05] <aftertaf> Nalioth is a good samaritan ;)
[08:41] <kayfelix> whats the frontend for Parted called and how do I run it?
[08:41] <Nalioth> qtparted
[08:41] <Nalioth> "sudo qtparted"
[08:42] <apokryphos> Nalioth: better to recommend kdesu qtparted, even if it wouldn't produce problems for qtparted, as other apps.
[08:42] <kayfelix> ok thanks...
[08:43] <Nalioth> apokryphos: kdeWhat?
[08:44] <kayfelix> synaptic doesnt find "Qtparted" and apt-get install qtparted gives mes:
[08:44] <kayfelix> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:44] <apokryphos> Nalioth: kdesu. It's the kde-equivalent to gksudo. Generally, you should never, in kde, run sudo {GUIAPP}. You can muck up configuration files and the like, making them owned by root etc.
[08:44] <apokryphos> kdesu sets up the environment correctly
[08:45] <Nalioth> kayfelix: close all but one instance of apt or dpkg : or use kdesu to start the process
[08:45] <crimsun> (dontchaluv how gnome and kde differ yet again?)
[08:45] <Nalioth> apokryphos: takin me to skewl, are ya? lol
[08:45] <kayfelix> the problem I have to be exacter is that my system (kubuntu) crashes on mount of /dev/hda2
[08:45] <kayfelix> it freezes.
[08:46] <apokryphos> crimsun: for some things you can get away fine with sudo {guiapp}, especially if you don't alter things in the app; but not always.
[08:46] <crimsun> apokryphos: yeah, it's preferable to recommend the known-good workaround
[08:47] <kayfelix> crimsun: thanks for helping me yesterday with the sound, it worked afterwards, but I didnt get a chance to thank you because my system kept / keeps freezing when trying to mount my windows FAT32 partition.
[08:47] <crimsun> kayfelix: np
[08:47] <Nalioth> now wtf? i just ran kdesu from my terminal, and it couldnt connect to x server
[08:48] <kayfelix> because the x-server is run as normal-user?
[08:48] <kayfelix> i had that too yesterday, now im logged in as root for the time being.
[08:49] <apokryphos> Nalioth: you should specify something with it; you get that error when you do, say, kdesu synaptic?
[08:50] <kayfelix> say, can it be possible that a mount and a freeze with that made my fat partition unstable? because dos couldnt read it either afterwards. Now i've swapped my disks and can read my bigger fat but only with dos, it freezes in linux.
[08:50] <Nalioth> yup, "kdesu synaptic" >>kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[08:50] <apokryphos> weeird
[08:50] <crimsun> dmesg|tail or at least tail /var/log/syslog should have some errors
[08:50] <apokryphos> Nalioth: what kde version do you have?
[08:51] <Nalioth> 3.4.1
[08:51] <aftertaf> when i boot my kubuntu, i get sound... then when i try to add the arts applet, i get an error saying : check installation... hmm? 
[08:51] <kayfelix> Nalioth - i had that too, either run synaptic from the menu... System>Synaptic or log into the x-server as root - thats how i solved it anyway ...
[08:51] <aftertaf> then sometimes when i run sth i don't have sound, but most times i have no prob... intermittent no sound. weird...
[08:52] <Nalioth> kayfelix: thank you, but logging into root defeats the purpose of kdesu
[08:52] <apokryphos> Nalioth: you'd get that error if you didn't have the patched kdesu, but all kubuntu packages are patched, I'm pretty sure. It's recommended that you upgrade to 3.4.2 though
[08:53] <Nalioth> apokryphos: unfortunately, the cupboard is bare
[08:53] <Nalioth> apokryphos: no binaries at the address of the 3.4.2
[08:54] <Nalioth> i've had the deb and deb-src lines for a week
[08:54] <Nalioth> 404 all the time
[08:54] <apokryphos> ?
[08:54] <apokryphos> Did you add the 342 repo?
[08:55] <seaLne> did you run apt-get update or update in one of the frontends?
[08:55] <Nalioth> apokryphos: yes, have had that address for a week
[08:55] <Nalioth> seaLne: yes i have
[08:56] <Nalioth> i dont need help
[08:56] <Nalioth> this all started over kdesu
[08:56] <Nalioth> which i dont use
[08:56] <apokryphos> Nalioth: ok, but you just get 404s?
[08:56] <Nalioth> thank you all
[08:56] <apokryphos> which repo, exactly? (There's several mirrors)
[08:56] <apokryphos> Nalioth: I know, but you're getting errors :P
[08:56] <Nalioth> apokryphos: there are no binaries yet for me (ppc)
[08:56] <apokryphos> ohh, didn't know you were on there. Ok. :)
[08:57] <Nalioth> #deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[08:57] <Nalioth> #deb-src http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[08:57] <aftertaf> powerbook
[08:57] <aftertaf> :)
[08:57] <Nalioth> they're commented out b/c they keep throwin errors in apt
[08:58] <seaLne> ok those errors make sense then
[08:58] <apokryphos> hasn't been packaged for 64-bit too, yet, unfortunately.
[08:59] <Nalioth> have enabled them, and am now updating
[08:59] <Nalioth> as of 2 days ago, the dir had no packages.gz or anything
[09:00] <apokryphos> :/
[09:01] <kayfelix> the problem I had was that I was trying to mount a primary partition which didnt exist "/dev/hda2" instead of the logical one which DOES exist "/dev/hda5" ---- so why was ubuntu freezing?
[09:01] <kayfelix> aaah because hda2 DOES exist except it cant be accessed because only hda5 which is the underlaying logical partition can be accessed.
[09:02] <Nalioth> i am a red headed stepchild of linux
[09:02] <kayfelix> hmmmm...
[09:02] <Nalioth> powerpc is behind mainstream developement
[09:02] <kayfelix> where do I automount my windows partitions - fstab... somewhere?
[09:03] <seaLne> yeah
[09:03] <kayfelix> where do i find it? under etc?
[09:03] <seaLne> /etc/fstab
[09:04] <kayfelix> no directory at that location
[09:04] <seaLne> its a file
[09:04] <kayfelix> no file either
[09:04] <kayfelix> sorry, found it
[09:05] <Nalioth> !ntfs
[09:05] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[09:05] <kayfelix> what options do i set for <options>, <dump> and <pass> - is "defaults", 0, 0 ok?
[09:05] <seaLne> yep
[09:05] <kayfelix> thanks
[09:05] <Nalioth> kayfelix: use the script
[09:05] <kayfelix> script?
[09:06] <apokryphos> !windowsdrives
[09:06] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:06] <kayfelix> aaah ok thank you
[09:07] <Nalioth> nobody reads anything in here, do they?
[09:08] <kayfelix> sorry, i didnt know that was aimed at me
[09:08] <kayfelix> it said something about ntfs and i have fat ...
[09:08] <kayfelix> hey i have the script now but how do I run it?
[09:08] <kayfelix> do i have to chmod it to make it executable or...
[09:09] <transgress> what kind of script is it?
[09:09] <kayfelix> winmac_fstat
[09:09] <kayfelix> !windowsdrives
[09:09] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:10] <transgress> try sh winmac_fstab
[09:11] <kayfelix> ok thanks transgress, worked :thumbs up:
[09:12] <kayfelix> and thanks to Naloith
[09:12] <Nalioth> kayfelix: read it in a text editor
[09:12] <kayfelix> read what in text editor?
[09:13] <kayfelix> fstab?
[09:13] <Nalioth> kayfelix: it was scientifically designed for YOU
[09:13] <Nalioth> kayfelix: the winmac_fstab
[09:13] <Nalioth> kayfelix: it has instructions
[09:13] <Nalioth> kayfelix: on its use
[09:13] <kayfelix> oh oh :blushes: didnt think of that.
[09:13] <kayfelix> i'll read it now :p
[09:14] <Nalioth> kayfelix: most scripts (things that end in .sh) will have instructions at the top
[09:14] <kayfelix> right you are, i should have thought of that b4 asking stupid questions :p newbie error here.
[09:14] <Nalioth> kayfelix: a .sh file is nothing but a text file, that has been dipped in holy penguin pee and can be executed and run
[09:14] <kayfelix> lol - like .bat
[09:14] <Nalioth> kayfelix: nah, i'm a newbie, too
[09:15] <Nalioth> kayfelix: sort of like that
[09:15] <kayfelix> perhaps more complicated with what looks like c code...
[09:15] <Nalioth> brb
[09:15] <kayfelix> oki
[09:16] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  i had a pb where winmac_fstab created a mount pount with spaces in its name, making it hard for new users to access the mount point in a terminal...
[09:17] <apokryphos> aftertaf: so change it =)
[09:17] <apokryphos> or just tell people to use quotes or backslashes
[09:18] <kayfelix> Nalioth: can I changed "/media/10\040GB\040Disk\040(hda1)" into "/mnt/winC"?
[09:18] <kayfelix> winC does exist...
[09:18] <aftertaf> like kayfelix says...
[09:18] <aftertaf> i did (wasn't me, but helped user change it)
[09:18] <kayfelix> aftertaf: oki, u made me look where its being mounted lol
[09:18] <apokryphos> kayfelix: edit your /etc/fstab
[09:18] <aftertaf> maybe should change the script to use _
[09:19] <kayfelix> im editing it now
[09:19] <aftertaf> confusing for n00bs 
[09:20] <kayfelix> so before I save my fstab, how does "/dev/hda1 /mnt/winC vfat rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0" look to you?
[09:20] <apokryphos> sexy
[09:20] <kayfelix> :)
[09:20] <apokryphos> if the script generated it, then it should be fine.
[09:20] <kayfelix> no i edited the mount point
[09:21] <kayfelix> but the rest is script-generated
[09:21] <apokryphos> that's fine, then. Make sure you create the /winC directory
[09:21] <kayfelix> had that before i ran the script.
[09:21] <apokryphos> * /mnt/winC
[09:21] <kayfelix> yup
[09:21] <apokryphos> ok, excellent. Then just sudo mount -a
[09:22] <kayfelix> aprokyphos - that goes through fstab once more?
[09:22] <kayfelix> "-a" i mean
[09:22] <kayfelix> and its already all mounted, im justing setting the automount...
[09:22] <apokryphos> it will remount every drive without rebooting
[09:23] <apokryphos> kayfelix: as a note, you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC.
[09:23] <kayfelix> apokryphos: oh yeah thats ace
[09:23] <kayfelix> apokryphos: ive been wondering how that worked...
[09:23] <apokryphos> =)
[09:23] <kayfelix> : - )
[09:23] <Nalioth> kayfelix: you get sorted/
[09:24] <apokryphos> apt-get remove irssi!
[09:24] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install konversation ;-)
[09:24] <Nalioth> apokryphos: please dont blaspheme
[09:25] <Nalioth> i need to literally throttle it.
[09:25] <kayfelix> say, before I try this - does anyone have experience with kubuntu + qemu / kqemu and could give me some general tips or hints?
[09:25] <Nalioth> add a 5 second delay b4 it joins any channels (give my script time to identify me)
[09:25] <Nalioth> kayfelix: you get sorted with the winmac_fstab thing?
[09:26] <kayfelix> i hope so, ill know next time i restart
[09:26] <apokryphos> hehe
[09:26] <apokryphos> though, admittedly I discovered fatal flaws in Konversation, for ops
[09:26] <apokryphos> no option to display banned etc users from channels and remove etc; have to use raw IRC
[09:26] <kayfelix> Konversation? is that the kubuntu irc client?
[09:27] <apokryphos> means you can ban people through GUI, but not unban them
[09:27] <Nalioth> apokryphos: it's late
[09:27] <Nalioth> apokryphos: dont hurt me
[09:27] <apokryphos> kayfelix: correct
[09:27] <Nalioth> apokryphos: the kdesu i was tryin to run was on a puter i was ssh'd into
[09:27] <kayfelix> apokryphos: if you ban someone, then in most cases unbanning them is not on your top 10 list anyway
[09:27] <Nalioth> my local kdesu works great
[09:27] <apokryphos> oh ok, cool.
[09:27] <apokryphos> kayfelix: not for the first hour at least, sure. 8)
[09:27] <Nalioth> kayfelix: banning is the last thing you want to do. if you've reached that point.. .. .. ..
[09:28] <kayfelix> exactly lol
[09:28] <kayfelix> well peeps, ill be back later, im gonna go catch some breakfast now
[09:28] <kayfelix> ttfn
[09:28] <kayfelix> & thanks for all the help
[09:28] <Nalioth> most ops i know (who throw a real ban, not a +q) leave it for at least 24 hours
[09:31] <amu> hi junks
[09:32] <apokryphos> crimsun: hey, what happened to the amarok 1.3 deb?
[09:32] <apokryphos> amu: aloha
[09:33] <Nalioth_zZz> well apokryphos i got a lot of scripting to do to my ol' irssi 
[09:33] <apokryphos> Nalioth_zZz: good luck with that ;-)
[09:33] <apokryphos> Nalioth_zZz: what scripting, by the way?
[09:34] <Nalioth_zZz> apokryphos: gotta bind some keystrokes so i get to more channel windows
[09:34] <Nalioth_zZz> and the aformentioned join throttling
[09:34] <Nalioth_zZz> add the troll-deathray.pl script
[09:34] <apokryphos> you can have split-views in irssi, no? ..which I like.
[09:35] <Nalioth_zZz> apokryphos: yes, you can (and i have a 1680x1050 lcd, i could probably squeeze four windows into it)
[09:35] <apokryphos> heh
[09:36] <apokryphos> Nalioth_zZz: how many inches?
[09:36] <Nalioth_zZz> 21" Dell LCD (much cheaper than an apple cinema display, and DVI, too)
[09:37] <apokryphos> Sweet. Prices seem to shoot up from 20"+ which sucks :(. I'm going tomorrow (woo) to get my whole new setup
[09:41] <Nalioth_zZz> apokryphos: i find the more high-end i get in my hardware, the more old - skewl i go in my software
[09:41] <Nalioth_zZz> i'm using xfe for a file mangler
[09:41] <Nalioth_zZz> irssi for chat
[09:41] <apokryphos> heh
[09:41] <Nalioth_zZz> well goodnight
[09:42] <apokryphos> I tend to just use whatever I find mroe productive or useful. Aesthetic pleasure is a big plus ;-)
[09:42] <apokryphos> Nalioth_zZz: 'night :)
[09:43] <kayfelix> kubuntu question: cd writing? k3b? cdrdao missing? ... ???
[09:44] <jeh> kayfelix: what is your question really?
[09:45] <jeh> k3b usually tells you what it's missing
[09:45] <apokryphos> kayfelix: yes, that's a bug. Install it.
[09:46] <kayfelix> my question is lol what do I do about it? i cant find any cdrdao to install, or maybe im not typing in the right package - but do I need it?
[09:46] <kayfelix> k3b seems to be writing an image right now even though it cant find the cdrdao executable
[09:46] <jeh> hm, i must've missed some lines while disconnected. sorry
[09:47] <apokryphos> kayfelix: you do need it, and it's available from the repos
[09:47] <apokryphos> !info cdrdao
[09:47] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[09:47] <apokryphos> kayfelix: enable the Universe repository
[09:48] <kayfelix> apokryphos: aha enable the universe repository - sounds like a cool sci-fi novel...
[09:48] <apokryphos> there's the Multiverse repository too ;-)
[09:48] <kayfelix> lol
[09:48] <kayfelix> i need to edit sources.config right?
[09:48] <kayfelix> where tho, etc I guess?
[09:49] <apokryphos> edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment the line with "Universe" in it
[09:49] <Nalioth_zZz> and add the word 'multiverse' a space over from 'universe' wherever you see 'universe'
[09:50] <kayfelix> why multiverse? is that needed?
[09:50] <apokryphos> kayfelix: it's another repository; more packages.
[09:50] <kayfelix> well ive just uncommented the universe repository
[09:50] <jeh> is "multiverse" safe to use?
[09:50] <kayfelix> but dont see no multiverse
[09:51] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  you have to put it.
[09:51] <nikkia> morning apokryphos!
[09:51] <aftertaf> on every line where you have universe
[09:51] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: reading is fundamental
[09:51] <kayfelix> change universe to multiverse or add " multiverse" after universe?
[09:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: what a beautiful morning it is! :) Slept 6 hours at work! Means I have a whole day, and I'm up so early 8)
[09:52] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: read waht i wrote above
[09:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh
[09:52] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: did read but didnt understand
[09:52] <apokryphos> jeh: yes
[09:52] <Nalioth_zZz> nikkia: you've been asleep?
[09:52] <apokryphos> jeh: but it depends on your ethics :P
[09:52] <nikkia> Nalioth_zZz: yeah
[09:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell jeh about components
[09:52] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: really just add "multiverse" on line above any line containing universe?
[09:52] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: after every "universe" space bar once and type multiverse
[09:52] <jeh> apokryphos: heh, we've used universe only so far
[09:52] <kayfelix> right ok
[09:52] <Nalioth_zZz> nikkia: then it's really time for me to hit the hay
[09:53] <nikkia> and the first thing i see when i wake up, is the target machine for my project sat in an infinite 'loading..... *crash* loading....' loop in the office :/
[09:53] <Nalioth_zZz> !tell kayfelix about repos
[09:53] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: like that
[09:53] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: at 969
[09:53] <jeh> so multiverse is basically the old non-free?
[09:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: yikes
[09:54] <kayfelix> question: what do I get vi into edit mode?
[09:54] <apokryphos> jeh: of questionable-freeness, yes. More info at that link I gave you.
[09:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: Nalioth was active when i went to bed, cos i'd just been annoying him/her about my 'adventures with mental reverse engineering' :)
[09:54] <jeh> apokryphos: yes, i read it
[09:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: it does it sometimes, a reboot fixed it right up, its very odd, java just goes ape sometimes
[09:54] <apokryphos> heh
[09:54] <Nalioth_zZz> i'm a "him" today, maybe a "her" next week
[09:54] <nikkia> Nalioth_zZz: fair enough
[09:55] <apokryphos> I thought java itself was more safer like that, like "lego", and that C etc was more dangerous with memory leaks etc
[09:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: generally, yes
[09:55] <apokryphos> Nalioth_zZz: My name is Mandy on the weekends
[09:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: this particular java codebase includes a LOT of jini tho
[09:55] <nikkia> and i believe its the JINI stuff that causes the crashes
[09:55] <apokryphos> oh
[09:56] <nikkia> in particular, the xvid decoder seems to crash sometimes
[09:56] <crimsun> kayfelix: 'a', 'i', or a variant
[09:56] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: i got a couple of W: and E:'s with apt-get update trying the multiverse package lists...
[09:57] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: u sure adding multiverse was a good idea?
[09:57] <apokryphos> crimsun: hey, what did happen to those debs? :)
[09:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: do you happen to know the 'back' key in opera's 'porn' mode ?
[09:57] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: if you spelled it right
[09:57] <apokryphos> kayfelix: what errors exactly? Can you pastebin them?
[09:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: opera has a porn mode? :/
[09:58] <Nalioth_zZz> universe and multiverse are safe
[09:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah
[09:58] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: i can, whats the webpage again?
[09:58] <Nalioth_zZz> when you get into backports, thats another story
[09:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: try going to a web gallery and hitting space :P
[09:58] <Nalioth_zZz> kayfelix: type !repos
[09:58] <apokryphos> what type of gallery? 
[09:58] <kayfelix> !repos
[09:58] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: any kind that uses sequentially URL'ed image files
[09:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: in that mode, space cycles thru the next photo in the gallery, without having to go back to the gallery index
[09:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm guessing there must be a corresponding 'previous image' key
[09:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: their shortcuts are searchable, no/
[09:59] <nikkia> ah, its ctrl-z
[09:59] <apokryphos> weird
[10:00] <kayfelix> Nalioth_zZz: ok, pasted.
[10:01] <nikkia> oh, no its not :/
[10:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: doesn't seem to work on any that I've tried
[10:01] <apokryphos> could perhaps be down to interfering details between images
[10:02] <apokryphos> example link?
[10:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: perhaps, it works best on porn thumbnail sites :P
[10:02] <apokryphos> heh
[10:04] <kayfelix> whats the command... "gksudo synaptic" or "kdsudo synaptic"?
[10:04] <apokryphos> gksudo/kdesu  -- either
[10:04] <kayfelix> ok thanks
[10:08] <kayfelix> im really not pleased with linux - I cant see Internet Explorer anywhere
[10:13] <apokryphos> kayfelix: that's because IE = *Microsoft* Internet Explorer
[10:14] <kayfelix> apokryphos: no shit sherlock ; - )
[10:14] <apokryphos> so the fact that you can't see IE is  = no shit sherlock.
[10:15] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  IEview ;) :P
[10:15] <kayfelix> IEview?
[10:15] <aftertaf> and WINE...
[10:15] <kayfelix> i'd rather not thanks ;)
[10:15] <aftertaf> You CAN have a blue E on your desktop :) if you want
[10:16] <kayfelix> lol to make it more homely?
[10:16] <kayfelix> Im alergic to the blue E...
[10:16] <aftertaf> To make it more My Documentsly you mean ?? :)
[10:16] <kayfelix> lol
[10:16] <aftertaf> E is bad for your health, can kill the brain and cause overheat... medical fact
[10:17] <aftertaf> explains a lot of bsod
[10:17] <kayfelix> I'd much prefer /home/kayfelix to "My Documents"
[10:17] <aftertaf> on zin, i DO like the sysinternals bsod screensaver tho.
[10:17] <kayfelix> and most I hate that little green dog when i want to search for a file...
[10:17] <aftertaf> leave it rat poison, it goes away after :)
[10:18] <kayfelix> rofl
[10:18] <kayfelix> i dont see why that little green do was there even after I installed the Professional edition
[10:18] <kayfelix> do XP Professionals need a dog?
[10:19] <aftertaf> doesnt mean the "user" [shudder]  is a pro....
[10:19] <aftertaf> er, the victim, i meant ;)
[10:19] <kayfelix> lol
[10:19] <aftertaf> Windows Victims suport group...
[10:19] <aftertaf> :)
[10:24] <kayfelix> anyone seen bewitched yet?
[10:25] <kayfelix> oops sorry, not a linux related question... 
[10:25] <henk> Hi i have the live-cd here can i install from that to hd or do i need to get the install-cd ?
[10:25] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  open source version, or proprietary with nkidman?
[10:25] <kayfelix> lol nkidman
[10:25] <aftertaf> not got a beta prerelease
[10:26] <aftertaf> will install it when it is released in our local cinema.
[10:27] <aftertaf> :)
[10:28] <kayfelix> "Verliebt in eine hexe" is the German release...
[10:28] <kayfelix> im gonna have to update movie_sources.list now...
[10:29] <aftertaf> vrleibt what??
[10:29] <aftertaf> wazzat mean? eine hexe = a witch ?
[10:29] <kayfelix> "Verliebt in eine Hexe" - "in love with a witch"
[10:30] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:30] <aftertaf> Ma sorcire bien aime
[10:30] <aftertaf> :)
[10:30] <kayfelix> ;) weird germans
[10:30] <kayfelix> French is simmilar then?
[10:30] <aftertaf> the transalations of some of the film titles is a real killer...
[10:31] <aftertaf> they often change the title to make it more public-marketing-sth or other.
[10:31] <aftertaf> Ensorcel - could be tooscary
[10:31] <kayfelix> lol u can say that again - sometimes i spent half a day trying to figgure out the German version or the English version of something
[10:32] <aftertaf> me too.... someone says you see BlaBlaBla.. and i say 
[10:32] <aftertaf> EH?
[10:32] <aftertaf> ohhhhhhhhhhh gnurgnurgnurplouc? yeah! god innit ;)
[10:32] <aftertaf> lol
[10:33] <kayfelix> lol
[10:33] <kayfelix> are you English?
[10:33] <kayfelix> I mean British?
[10:33] <aftertaf> yep, in frog :)
[10:33] <aftertaf> lol... both
[10:33] <kayfelix> i knew it
[10:33] <kayfelix> only the british say "innit"
[10:33] <kayfelix> very chavvy ;)
[10:33] <aftertaf> ;)
[10:33] <aftertaf> oyyyyyyyyy!
[10:33] <kayfelix> a linux-using townie? tut tut
[10:34] <kayfelix> lol
[10:34] <aftertaf> totally non chav
[10:34] <aftertaf> where u at?
[10:34] <kayfelix> would have suprised me, ur in the wrong room .... in the wrong protocol too - chavs only use MSN
[10:34] <kayfelix> Germany, formerly East Yorkshire and before that Kent.
[10:35] <aftertaf> loool msn
[10:35] <aftertaf> totally.
[10:35] <kayfelix> lol
[10:35] <apokryphos> aftertaf: cool, whereabouts you from?
[10:35] <aftertaf> and east yorkshire means you know that innit is northern too ;)
[10:35] <kayfelix> aftertaf:  yup :p lol where are you?
[10:36] <aftertaf> i'm in Rouen, France, originally from Sth Yorkshire
[10:36] <aftertaf> up wi' t' whippets 'n' 't' ferrets ;)
[10:36] <kayfelix> rofl
[10:36] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:36] <apokryphos> ah
[10:36] <aftertaf> and proud to be, i hope ;)
    scary times eh  </aside>
[10:37] <kayfelix> proud maybe - but its still a dangerious place lol - with double decker... correction - single decker buses with wings...
[10:38] <kayfelix> ok, i commented the universe lines out of my sources.list file and now it works again, it wasnt finding those two...
[10:38] <aftertaf> **whoah, quick transition to on topic subject**
[10:39] <apokryphos> aftertaf: indeed. :)
[10:39] <kayfelix> lol
[10:39] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  was on TTUK that day, talking about it, gobsmacked, hoping everyone was OK.
[10:40] <kayfelix> TTUK?
[10:40] <apokryphos> this whole past year has been tragic event after tragic event, it seems, unfortunately.
[10:40] <aftertaf> www.tek-tips.com
[10:40] <aftertaf> tek tips in the uk, forum for uk people to waffle in.
[10:41] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  totally :/
[10:41] <kayfelix> Hey talking bout tragic events, New Orleans is chaos, people shooting themselves, young girls getting raped here and there, looting, raiding - its a fooking war over there
[10:41] <kayfelix> tut tut tut those americans...
[10:41] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  totally too.
[10:42] <aftertaf> amazing how quickly we forget how to be civilised
[10:42] <kayfelix> aftertaf: like the word "totally" huh? :p
[10:42] <aftertaf> civilisation is a myth, a joke, a lie
[10:42] <aftertaf> just lok at how people can be....
[10:42] <kayfelix> aftertaf: yeah im quite scared actually - what if suddenly the gulf-stream stops? europe freezes over. New Orleans scenario on a large scale? scary thought...
[10:44] <nikkia> kayfelix: it wouldn't 'freeze' in a total sense, it'd just suddenly match its latitudinal neighbours in the world, which would be a lot cooler, but not 'frozen'
[10:46] <kayfelix> nikkia: yeah but i'll still be freezin my balls off and so will everyone else, and europe isnt equipped for a winter like that - its sure to be quite bad for a while.
[10:47] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  like you said about what is happening in New Orleans.. reading news on it. Theyre shooting at rescue choppers at the superdome...
[10:47] <aftertaf> sounds like they've gone completely insane in there, raping killing etc...
[10:47] <aftertaf> sickening
[10:47] <kayfelix> aftertaf: totally
[10:48] <kayfelix> aftertaf: with a president like that? no wonder...
[10:48] <kayfelix> appologies to any americans in this room...
[10:48] <aftertaf> no need to apolgise kayfelix, but we all sympathise..
[10:48] <kayfelix> aftertaf: yeah lets not start
[10:48] <jeh> kayfelix: nothing well freeze in an afternoon...
[10:49] <kayfelix> jeh: maybe not freeze like in the arctic - but you read up on the effects of the gulf-stream ending
[10:49] <kayfelix> jeh: i think its only a couple of days
[10:49] <fatejudger> what is a good ftp client for Kubuntu?
[10:50] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  do you need any special functionality?
[10:50] <fatejudger> no
[10:50] <fatejudger> just a GUI
[10:50] <jeh> kayfelix: no, it will take years
[10:50] <henk> Hi i have the live-cd here can i install from that to hd or do i need to get the install-cd ?
[10:50] <aftertaf> !tell fatejudger about kbear
[10:51] <aftertaf> !info kbear
[10:51] <ubotu> kbear: (Graphical ftp client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 2498 kB, Installed size: 8568 kB
[10:51] <kayfelix> jeh: ok thanks, i stand corrected... but even at years it will be terrifying, europe is big, lots of people, there isnt much that can be done - preparing for climates similar to alaska or siberia...
[10:51] <fatejudger> ok
[10:51] <fatejudger> got the package, thanks
[10:51] <aftertaf> seems to be ok..
[10:51] <aftertaf> henk:  i don't know....
[10:52] <aftertaf> checking...
[10:52] <nikkia> kayfelix: very little of europe would have 'climates similar to alaska', most of europe is in the 40-50 degree band, look at NYC and Seattle for examples of climate
[10:52] <kayfelix> jeh: Within three years, those regions would become uninhabitable and nearly two billion humans would starve, freeze to death, or have to relocate. Civilization as we know it probably couldn't withstand the impact of such a crushing blow.
[10:52] <nikkia> kayfelix: uninhabitable? stop believing all the BS that people get money to scare people with on TV
[10:52] <jeh> kayfelix: have you seen too many movies now? nothing will happen that fast
[10:53] <kayfelix> hey thats a scientific paper i found
[10:53] <henk> Probably not that fast but the last ice-age in europe was not something the look forward too
[10:53] <kayfelix> nikkia: dont think europe will be like seattle or nyc, i think it'll be colder
[10:53] <nikkia> kayfelix: and you base that on?
[10:54] <nikkia> kayfelix: central europe, far from the oceans would be similar to the mid-west US, thats a worst case
[10:54] <aftertaf> henk:  apparently ts possible, but not easy
[10:54] <nikkia> yes, they have harsh winters, but its not uninhabitable by any stretch
[10:54] <henk> I'd have to agree with kayfelix based on the ice ages that europe has known in the past. 
[10:54] <nikkia> henk: ice ages are very different from 'europe getting the climate it should have based on latitude'
[10:55] <nikkia> the gulfstream warms europe, but its only 5-10 degrees C at most, you're not going to see glaciers rolling down france
[10:55] <henk> it is inhabitably when it gets that cold. maybe not for a few people but with a climate like that the population density of europe is not maintainable
[10:55] <kayfelix> nikkia: tre, i cannot "base" it on much, I dont have enough knowledge about climates etc - but from the TV like national geographic and simmilar shows on German TV, Web news reports and various scientific studies - it sounds like Europe WILL get quite cold.
[10:55] <aftertaf> henk:  you are better with the install cd, it seems... will become standardised wth next 2 versions though
[10:56] <henk> aftertaf ok thank you i'll start a download on that. Are there no netinstall optoins? seems like a waste to download 600megs just for an installer
[10:57] <aftertaf> they are working on it, it seems...
[10:57] <aftertaf> you mean like debian 120 meg... ;)
[10:57] <henk> more like debian 30 meg (businescard netinst)
[10:58] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:58] <kayfelix> debian has 30mb inst? groovy
[10:58] <henk> or like debian's debootstrap a few kb
[10:59] <aftertaf> hehe hehe
[10:59] <aftertaf> never been that god on debian.
[10:59] <kayfelix> ah well i have unlimited DSL so i can download any size image in approx 20 to 30 minutes
[10:59] <aftertaf> expert at breaking it thho.
[10:59] <kayfelix> aftertaf: me too, never quite got the hang of it. Im happy with kubuntu so far tho.
[11:00] <aftertaf> was gonna say totally ;)
[11:00] <aftertaf> me 2
[11:00] <kayfelix> lol
[11:00] <henk> are there no mirrors for kubuntu?
[11:00] <kayfelix> souces.list question - what do I have to do so that apt-get finds "qemu, kqemu, edonkey" etc etc?
[11:00] <aftertaf> !info edonkey
[11:01] <kayfelix> !info edonkey
[11:01] <aftertaf> !info qemu
[11:01] <kayfelix> !info qemu
[11:01] <ubotu> qemu: (fast processor emulator), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2340 kB, Installed size: 6268 kB
[11:01] <kayfelix> !info kqemu
[11:01] <aftertaf> universe
[11:01] <kayfelix> !info edonkey
[11:01] <fatejudger> I can't get this "KOrganizer Alarm Daemon" system tray icon to go away
[11:01] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  amule?
[11:01] <fatejudger> is there any way to disable it?
[11:01] <kayfelix> !info emule
[11:02] <kayfelix> nope
[11:02] <kayfelix> !info amule
[11:02] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB
[11:02] <kayfelix> aah
[11:02] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  rightklick it and close, should ask you if you want it to go away for good.
[11:02] <kayfelix> aftertaf: universe? i had to comment those lines because it didnt work
[11:02] <aftertaf> hmmm....
[11:02] <aftertaf> post me an example.... ;
[11:03] <kayfelix> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary univere
[11:03] <kayfelix> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:03] <aftertaf> +s
[11:03] <kayfelix> aah s missing
[11:03] <aftertaf>  :)
[11:03] <kayfelix> weird, i didnt change it tho...
[11:03] <aftertaf> as an example.... each line should resemble
[11:03] <aftertaf>  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[11:04] <kayfelix> multiverse? thta needed? what does it do?
[11:04] <aftertaf> where the is uni, there is multi ;)
[11:04] <fatejudger> aftertaf: it doesn't
[11:04] <aftertaf> erf.
[11:04] <fatejudger> aftertaf: every time I go into the Journal section of Kontact
[11:05] <fatejudger> aftertaf: it will run
[11:05] <aftertaf> it adds it again?  hehe i noticed that too :/
[11:05] <kayfelix> aftertaf: many thanks, apt-get works now... guess it was that missing s!
[11:05] <aftertaf> 0 & 1 = silly thing by itself ;)
[11:05] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  tried hunting thru all the options too?
[11:06] <fatejudger> aftertaf: yeah, I did
[11:06] <fatejudger> aftertaf: I can't find a single option that controls is
[11:06] <aftertaf> maybe with sys tray config somewhehe...
[11:06] <fatejudger> *it
[11:06] <fatejudger> where's that?
[11:06] <aftertaf> hehe got it
[11:06] <aftertaf> maybe...
[11:07] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  by default, on the kicker , to the left of the clock, you have some stuff....
[11:07] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:07] <fatejudger> I got that
[11:07] <aftertaf> rightclick the 'handle' to the left of them... and configure system tray
[11:07] <fatejudger> but I didn't know there was a program that controlled that
[11:07] <aftertaf> hidden -vs- visible icons... you got it?
[11:08] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:08] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  you do now ;)
[11:08] <fatejudger> but that only hides it
[11:08] <kayfelix> FFS ive been in linux for 3 hours now and aint had a BSOD yet, i really hate this operating system
[11:08] <aftertaf> does it reappear again after?
[11:08] <aftertaf> FFS ;)
[11:08] <fatejudger> well it's still there
[11:08] <fatejudger> I want it gone permanently
[11:09] <aftertaf> if you don't use the other things that are there, make a 2nd panel ,put sys tray there instead, and pemanently hide it...
[11:09] <aftertaf> i dont know how othewise... i dont use Kontact that much...
[11:09] <fatejudger> Kontact is great
[11:09] <fatejudger> it syncs with my Palm
[11:09] <aftertaf> testing tho>.
[11:09] <aftertaf> yeah, me too :)
[11:09] <fatejudger> and I read my mail and RSS in it
[11:10] <aftertaf> no mail. cant bcos of proxy
[11:10] <fatejudger> so I use it plenty
[11:10] <fatejudger> it's just annoying that the system tray icon always starts up
[11:10] <fatejudger> but I'm surprised that there isn't a setting to control that
[11:11] <aftertaf> you can remove the system try tho.
[11:11] <aftertaf> if you dont use what the other icons do.
[11:11] <aftertaf> (that is NOT good english...)
[11:13] <kayfelix> humm is it possible to have multiple desktops in linux?
[11:13] <kayfelix> i mean with two vga outputs...
[11:13] <fatejudger> meh, maybe if I complain on the KDE irc channel they'll known to disable it
[11:14] <kayfelix> well im gonna go for a while
[11:14] <kayfelix> bye bye
[11:14] <aftertaf> maybe fatejudger 
[11:15] <fatejudger> aftertaf: well that didn't work too well
[11:15] <fatejudger> aftertaf: it's so late, nobody is responding
[11:42] <^rob^> hi
[11:42] <cune> hola
[11:44] <^rob^> what
[11:44] <^rob^> what's new in kubuntu - i mean...
[11:44] <^rob^> ;)
[11:45] <^rob^> is there any kubuntu page or something? - to read news and whatever about kubuntu?
[11:45] <aftertaf> !kubuntu
[11:45] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[11:45] <^rob^> ty
[11:46] <cune> mmm, i don?t know, is trhe first time that i get in here!!!
[11:49] <^rob^> mmm - how do I know which kub. version do i have?
[11:50] <aftertaf> rob.. same as ubuntu.
[11:50] <aftertaf> it IS ubuntu, with kde instead of gnome..
[11:50] <^rob^> k - hedgedog then - i think...
[11:51] <aftertaf> hoary ;)
[11:51] <apokryphos> cat /etc/issue tells you what version
[11:51] <^rob^> hmm - kde3.4.2 has released...
[11:51] <^rob^> ok - ty apokryphos
[11:51] <aftertaf> yep ;)
[11:51] <aftertaf> need to add a repos to get it
[11:51] <aftertaf> horay backports
[11:52] <aftertaf> !repos
[11:52] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:52] <aftertaf> !backports
[11:52] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:52] <apokryphos> aftertaf: no, it uses its own repo
[11:52] <apokryphos> !kde342
[11:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[11:52] <aftertaf> oops got me wrong
[11:52] <aftertaf> cheers apo
[11:52] <apokryphos> =)
[11:53] <^rob^> anyone has tested 3.4.2 ?
[11:53] <apokryphos> Many here; you should upgrade to it.
[11:54] <^rob^> stable?
[11:54] <stoeptegel> offtopic: someone here over sit on a Herman Miller seat?
[11:54] <^rob^> what's a herman miller seat?
[11:55] <stoeptegel> ^rob^: design seat for maximum comfort
[11:55] <^rob^> umm - i am not! - :(
[11:55] <stoeptegel> ^rob^: but very expensive
[11:56] <^rob^> if health needs it - i'll buy one - since then - my seat is good too ;)
[11:57] <stoeptegel> ^rob^: i need it because i use my seat way to much :cry:
[11:57] <^rob^> stoeptegel: how much? - how many hours?
[11:57] <stoeptegel> 15
[11:57] <^rob^> i work usually 13-18 hrs...
[11:57] <apokryphos> ^rob^: 3.4.2 is only bugfixes from 3.4
[11:58] <apokryphos> so in theory it's more stable than 3.4 which you're on, yes.
[11:58] <^rob^> apokryphos: i am updating apt-get... ;)
[11:58] <apokryphos> ^rob^: add the new repository, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:58] <apokryphos> then you should be good to go
[11:58] <^rob^> i already did that - ty! :)
[11:59] <^rob^> hmm
[11:59] <^rob^> without verification?
[11:59] <apokryphos> sure
[11:59] <^rob^> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? << what verification?
[12:00] <apokryphos> it's an external repo
[12:00] <apokryphos> so it is not, by default, verified by apt
[12:00] <^rob^> ok
[12:00] <^rob^> take a look at this 2 lines...
[12:00] <^rob^> Need to get 91.0MB/91.1MB of archives.
[12:00] <^rob^> After unpacking 32.4MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:00] <^rob^> 91 Mb dl - then 32.4 will take?
[12:00] <apokryphos> do you have broadband?
[12:00] <^rob^> i think something's wrong... with apt...
[12:01] <^rob^> 256K
[12:01] <apokryphos> no, nothing is wrong with it
[12:02] <Ubogoss> hi, i a looking for a boot disk for installing kubuntu from an external usb cd player because i can't boot on usb with my computer. Can you help me please ?
[12:02] <apokryphos> !install
[12:02] <ubotu> install is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[12:03] <aftertaf> rob
[12:03] <^rob^> yes..
[12:03] <aftertaf> no, it'll unpack and replace some stuff too.
[12:03] <aftertaf> aint linux great...
[12:03] <^rob^> i see - ty...
[12:03] <aftertaf> this apt has super cow powers :)
[12:03] <^rob^> yeah... - specially ubuntu - i love this debian version...
[12:04] <^rob^> supercow arascheteeee.... ;)
[12:04] <^rob^> ok
[12:04] <^rob^> 2 hrs 'til upload
[12:04] <^rob^> i'll go eat somethin'
[12:04] <^rob^> bye
[12:05] <Ubogoss> apokryphos : the !install was for me ?
[12:05] <apokryphos> Ubogoss: it provides other methods for installation
[12:06] <apokryphos> for an external usb cd player.. you'll likely just have to set that up in your bios
[12:06] <apokryphos> make it the first boot device
[12:06] <aftertaf> anyone have pbs with the arts applet?
[12:06] <aftertaf> and general sound weirdness in kde?
[12:07] <aftertaf> i have good quality sound most of the time, but sometimes get 'no sound available' type of errors....
[12:07] <Ubogoss> apokryphos my bios does not support usb :(
[12:07] <aftertaf> i run supertux for the kids, and no sound is available
[12:08] <Ubogoss> i can install it via usb cd-rom, network or internet
[12:08] <apokryphos> Ubogoss: floppy drive?
[12:08] <Ubogoss> there is windows 2000 on it
[12:08] <apokryphos> there's instructions on there for that (never tried though)
[12:08] <apokryphos> there's instructions there on even how to install from XP
[12:08] <Ubogoss> apokryphos yes floppy drive too
[12:09] <ippiraman> anyone here?
[12:09] <^rob^> aftertaf: use "Autosuspend if idle... 5 sec."
[12:09] <aftertaf> rob... how?
[12:09] <^rob^> aftertaf: supertux know how to use arts?
[12:10] <aftertaf> dunno....
[12:10] <^rob^> ok - open control center - go to sound-multimedia - sound system
[12:10] <^rob^> on Hardware tab enable full duplex
[12:10] <aftertaf> ok.. going.
[12:11] <^rob^> maybe you'll use skype later ;)
[12:11] <aftertaf> hehe
[12:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, have you looked at the new kexec stuff?
[12:11] <apokryphos> noop
[12:11] <^rob^> select audio dev.. to ...threaded oss
[12:11] <aftertaf> device is autodetect...
[12:11] <^rob^> use threaded
[12:11] <aftertaf> have done, restarting LCS soundsystem
[12:12] <aftertaf> yeah yeah yeah
[12:12] <^rob^> bk to general tab
[12:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: sheer insanity, but might ultimately be able to stop us needing to reboot to upgrade kernels
[12:12] <^rob^> you have there the autosuspend idle...
[12:12] <aftertaf> autosuspend :)
[12:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: link?
[12:12] <^rob^> set that on 5 sec
[12:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: the docs are in the 2.6.13 changelog, i think
[12:12] <^rob^> apply
[12:12] <aftertaf> ok
[12:12] <^rob^> test sound
[12:12] <^rob^> it is working? - the sound test...
[12:12] <aftertaf> i have sound :)
[12:13] <^rob^> ok
[12:13] <^rob^> now
[12:13] <^rob^> what's the supertux command?
[12:13] <^rob^> supertux?
[12:13] <aftertaf> yep
[12:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: its basically a kernel equivalent of 'exec' - ie, replace the current running kernel with a specified image - it can be used to reboot into windows without rebooting, or, start a new kernel from the filesystem without reboot
[12:13] <apokryphos> hah
[12:13] <^rob^> force supertux to use arts
[12:13] <^rob^> open a console and type
[12:14] <^rob^> artsdsp -m supertux
[12:14] <aftertaf> ill try same at home... am reading for the rest :)
[12:14] <kayfelix> any way of having xmms play music and have GAIM play sounds at the same time??
[12:14] <^rob^> you can use skype the same way - artsdsp -m skype
[12:14] <^rob^> ;)
[12:14] <nikkia> kayfelix: yes, a few dozen different ways
[12:14] <nikkia> rob, are you sure that works?
[12:14] <aftertaf> ok... i edit the startup launcher and put that then?
[12:14] <^rob^> i am using skype this way
[12:14] <kayfelix> nikkia: simplest and one that works for sure?
[12:15] <nikkia> everything i've seen says that skype doesn't work properly wrapped because they use DMA
[12:15] <^rob^> it is on skype homepage...
[12:15] <aftertaf> kayfelix:  you joined 3 secs too late dude
[12:15] <aftertaf> 30
[12:15] <^rob^> 1 sec
[12:15] <kayfelix> aftertaf: damn, what i miss?
[12:15] <kayfelix> *did
[12:15] <nikkia> kayfelix: simplest way is to configure everything to use arts :)
[12:15] <aftertaf> setting up sound on ubuntu correctly
[12:15] <^rob^> i'll give you the skype link - it's a howto there - you have to enable fullduplex and other things in cpanel
[12:15] <aftertaf> skype link me too :)
[12:16] <kayfelix> what is arts anyway?
[12:16] <^rob^> http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html
[12:16] <^rob^> i have started Americas Army with arts ;)
[12:16] <kayfelix> !info arts
[12:16] <^rob^> sounds great - but it has a lil delay!
[12:16] <ubotu> arts: (Analog Realtime Synthesizer (aRts) metapackage), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-0pre1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[12:17] <kayfelix> hmmm so I should already have it...
[12:17] <^rob^> yep
[12:17] <^rob^> it comes with kde...
[12:17] <kayfelix> ^_^ good start at least
[12:17] <aftertaf> kde soundsystem
[12:17] <kayfelix> cant find it in "Select the audio device:" 
[12:18] <nikkia> kayfelix: erm, that IS arts
[12:18] <^rob^> it;s on hardware tab
[12:18] <kayfelix> oh
[12:18] <kayfelix> right... :p lol
[12:18] <kayfelix> so i just use Alsa right?
[12:18] <nikkia> kayfelix: the configuration is telling arts what device to use :)
[12:18] <^rob^> Sound Multimedia -> Sound System ->
[12:18] <^rob^> no
[12:18] <aftertaf> oss threaded
[12:18] <aftertaf> ;)
[12:18] <aftertaf> why? rob
[12:18] <^rob^> threaded oss
[12:19] <aftertaf> oss not deprecated and replaced by alsa?
[12:19] <^rob^> i think does not lock /dev/dsp
[12:19] <kayfelix> ace, now my sound doesnt work anymore :D:D
[12:19] <aftertaf> oki
[12:19] <^rob^> kayfelix: set hw on auto
[12:19] <kayfelix> ok set on auto
[12:19] <^rob^> test it now.
[12:20] <^rob^> enable full duplex
[12:20] <nikkia> rob, you'd be wrong in thinking that :)
[12:20] <nikkia> oss most definitely DOES lock /dev/dsp
[12:20] <aftertaf> even in threaded mode?
[12:20] <^rob^> nikkia: oss is a kern. device man..
[12:20] <nikkia> in fact, IMO, the only way to make OSS reasonably useful, is to PAY for OSS
[12:20] <aftertaf> alsa doesn't?
[12:20] <^rob^> alsa the same..
[12:21] <^rob^> arts locks /dev/dsp ;)
[12:21] <^rob^> oss/alsa - does not mather - test to see what works best for you...
[12:21] <aftertaf> oki
[12:21] <kayfelix> ok people - minor problem now
[12:21] <ippiraman> which package(s) do i need to have svn installed?
[12:22] <nikkia> remember, that the OSS in the kernel is a stripped down version of OSS, it is NOT the full driver set, and lacks a lot of features/drivers, its really useless compared to alsa
[12:22] <kayfelix> XMMS hangs for about 1 minute - then BEEPS and plays
[12:22] <aftertaf> !info svn
[12:22] <aftertaf> !svn
[12:22] <ubotu> I heard svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[12:22] <nikkia> unless you're willing to pay for the full OSS, you're better with alsa
[12:22] <kayfelix> arts set to "auto"
[12:22] <^rob^> svn? -that's solaris downloadeR?
[12:22] <^rob^> kayfelix: apt-cache search xmms-arts
[12:22] <ippiraman> aftertaf: can't this be done over apt-get?
[12:22] <^rob^> kayfelix: you need xmms arts plugin...
[12:22] <^rob^> it is called...
[12:23] <aftertaf> subversion
[12:23] <nikkia> kayfelix: to be honest, you'd be better off installing beep-media-player instead of xmms
[12:23] <aftertaf> nikkia:  true :)
[12:23] <^rob^> xmms-arts - aRts Output plugin for xmms
[12:23] <nikkia> xmms tends to be unreliable with anything but OSS
[12:23] <kayfelix> nikkia: i like xmms, its so winampy
[12:23] <aftertaf> or noatun, kaffeine, etc.... xmms is old and a bit sticky now.
[12:23] <nikkia> kayfelix: beep is a fork of xmms, its the same program, basically, but more updated
[12:24] <kayfelix> nikkia: xmms-arts works now ....
[12:24] <aftertaf> ippiraman:  package is subversion...
[12:24] <nikkia> kayfelix: and the beep developers aren't quite so in-bed with the OSS developers :)
[12:24] <ippiraman> i see
[12:24] <ippiraman> aftertaf: thanks
[12:24] <nikkia> kayfelix: with xmms-arts, you may find it randomly stops playing after a period of time, its unreliable with anything but OSS
[12:24] <aftertaf> nikkia:  i have had that too...
[12:24] <kayfelix> nikkia: ok so beep-media?
[12:25] <aftertaf> on song change, it loses the sound device..
[12:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: so, insanity in a good way?
[12:25] <^rob^> nikkia: neverstopped to me!
[12:25] <nikkia> rob, you're clearly a OSS fanboi, as evidenced by your previous comments :P
[12:25] <aftertaf> rob, you configure your sound well from the start though ;)
[12:25] <^rob^> lol
[12:25] <nikkia> aftertaf: he uses OSS, that's not 'configure... well'
[12:26] <kayfelix> nikkia: so is it bad that im set to using "ALSA" - because its still only giving one program at a time access to the audio ....
[12:26] <^rob^> i need realtek audio decoder to play sounds...
[12:26] <nikkia> kayfelix: well, you want to setup 'dmix' for alsa
[12:26] <aftertaf> lets start a browser war....
[12:26] <^rob^> browser war? IE/MZ ??
[12:26] <aftertaf> !info dmix
[12:27] <aftertaf> no rob, IE is not a browser
[12:27] <kayfelix> !info dmix
[12:27] <^rob^> lool - you-re right
[12:27] <kayfelix> !info dmix
[12:27] <aftertaf> though it is romoured that IE7 will be fully compliant
[12:27] <aftertaf> ROFL :)
[12:27] <kayfelix> nikkia: dmix?
[12:29] <^rob^> ok - I have to start work - see you later today - if kde 3.4.2 crash on me - ;)
[12:29] <aftertaf> :)
[12:29] <kayfelix> bye ^rob^
[12:29] <aftertaf> bon weekend ;)
[12:29] <^rob^> bye bye - merci
[12:29] <aftertaf> hehe foodage for me..
[12:33] <kayfelix> how do i view processes?
[12:34] <seaLne> ps auwwx
[12:34] <kayfelix> thanks
[12:35] <seaLne> ps auwwx|grep "what you are looking for"
[12:35] <nikkia> kayfelix: you can also use the KDE task manager (ctrl-escape)
[12:35] <kayfelix> aah even better thanks
[12:36] <seaLne> nikkia: never knew about that, not that i'm likely to change from ps :) 
[12:36] <kayfelix> nikkia: you meantion something called "dmix"?
[12:36] <nikkia> seaLne: hardly anyone seems to know it exists
[12:37] <nikkia> kayfelix: yes, search for 'dmix' and 'alsa', it allows you to use more than one audio stream at a time in alsa with hardware that doesn't support hardware mixing
[12:37] <jeh> nikkia: oh, that would be handy
[12:38] <kayfelix> jeh yeh it would
[12:38] <nikkia> kayfelix: the only downside, is that while it works for aoss wrapped OSS apps, it doesn't work for the snd-pcm-oss virtual device, because that goes direct to hw:0,0 (unless its configured for a different pair of ID numbers, but either way, snd-pcm-oss uses hw: rather than default.pcm
[12:39] <kayfelix> nikkia: i cant find dmix with apt-cache search dmix and i already have alsa stuff
[12:39] <nikkia> kayfelix: its not a program, you don't have to install it
[12:39] <nikkia> you just have to tell alsa to use it, it is a built in function to alsa
[12:39] <nikkia> kayfelix: you need to find the configuration instructions on the net :)
[12:39] <kayfelix> nikkia: aha, and how do i tell alsa to be a dear and use it?
[12:40] <kayfelix> ooh oki
[12:41] <nikkia> (btw, in case anyone is wondering, i bypass all this nonsense by using jack for my audio :)
[12:41] <kayfelix> who's jack ?
[12:41] <nikkia> not who, what
[12:41] <kayfelix> that would have been my next question
[12:41] <kayfelix> !info jack
[12:41] <ubotu> jack: (Rip and encode CDs with one command), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 3.1.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 536 kB
[12:41] <kayfelix> meh...
[12:42] <nikkia> its another 'sound server' that is designed for pro-audio use, it has features like a patchbay for audio streams that lets you connect one program to another
[12:42] <nikkia> no, thats the wrong jack
[12:42] <kayfelix> aah
[12:42] <nikkia> !info jackit
[12:42] <nikkia> !info jackd
[12:42] <ubotu> jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.0-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[12:42] <nikkia> there, that one
[12:42] <nikkia> it isn't, however, at all easy to get setup right :)
[12:42] <kayfelix> hmmm, hard to install?
[12:42] <nikkia> yeah
[12:42] <kayfelix> ok not now then, give me some linux-time first
[12:42] <nikkia> and it really needs features not present in [k] ubuntu to make it work best
[12:45] <kayfelix> nikkia do you know how hard it is to setup this dMix? I dont want to mess anything up you see.... and i cant seem to find much simple stuff on it, aint there a simpler method of achieving the same result?
[12:46] <nikkia> kayfelix: its not that hard
[12:47] <kayfelix> nikkia: why is it that all audio on my system is binary? its either on or off, but i cant change the volume...
[12:47] <nikkia> kayfelix: http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin  <- follow the 'simple' instruction on that
[12:47] <kayfelix> thanks
[12:48] <nikkia> the 'complex approach' is only for ICE based sound cards, which i doubt you have
[12:51] <kayfelix> woops, sounds like im getting a fax lol
[12:52] <kayfelix>  aplay -D plug:dmix some.wav & ...
[12:52] <alexandros> can anyone help me? I am unable to log into system settings as root in kubuntu
[12:53] <kayfelix> forgot your password?
[12:54] <alexandros> nope it will act as if it was succesful but then the same locked interface returns
[12:55] <kayfelix> that is weird
[12:55] <alexandros> but I am able to use kynaptic and sudo on the commendline
[12:55] <alexandros> yip
[12:56] <kayfelix> kick it
[12:56] <kayfelix> lol
[12:56] <alexandros> I lost many systems that way :-)
[12:56] <alexandros> lol
[12:56] <kayfelix> lol me too, and monitors ... i buy keyboards in 6 packs these days...
[12:57] <alexandros> lol
[12:57] <kayfelix> I found it a bitch to work as a normal user and try to do root things, so I set my KDE to allow root logins
[12:57] <kayfelix> that way im a system-wide root - just have to make sure you dont use it all the time and be careful
[12:58] <kayfelix> but im not expert, so dont take my advice
[12:58] <alexandros> true, I think kubuntu needs some now fine tuning to be as good as ubuntu
[12:59] <kayfelix> aint used ubuntu yet
[12:59] <alexandros> I gave up and adding ubuntu desktop
[12:59] <alexandros> to my system
[12:59] <kayfelix> why?
[01:00] <alexandros> to many things are  not working as they should
[01:00] <hans_> can anyone tell me how to install cdemu?
[01:00] <kayfelix> welcome to ICT
[01:00] <kayfelix> apt-get install cdemu
[01:00] <alexandros> ICT?
[01:00] <kayfelix> apt-cache search cdemu
[01:01] <kayfelix> Information Communication Technology
[01:01] <alexandros> true
[01:01] <alexandros> cdemu?
[01:01] <hans_> yes
[01:01] <kayfelix> synaptic?
[01:01] <alexandros> what package is that?
[01:02] <hans_> tried it but there is no package yet
[01:02] <hans_> i downloaded from here http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[01:02] <hans_> its a zipped package i think source
[01:03] <hans_> i dont understand this step:
[01:03] <hans_> you need the source of your current running kernel.
[01:03] <hans_> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include needs to point at it. if you're not sure if it points
[01:03] <hans_> to the righ kernel just type: ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build if its the correct kernel
[01:03] <hans_> source all is ok. ;-)
[01:04] <kayfelix> you could save alot of work by getting a cdrom module ;)
[01:04] <kayfelix> then you'd have no need for a cdemu lol
[01:04] <hans_> ;)
[01:04] <kayfelix> its easier to install too, push in the front... two little cables and whoops!
[01:05] <hans_> is there then another way to mount bin,cue,nrg... images?
[01:06] <aftertaf> hans yes
[01:06] <aftertaf> mount
[01:06] <kayfelix> yeah i think there is
[01:06] <kayfelix> mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso
[01:07] <hans_> i think thats for iso images only
[01:08] <kayfelix> nikkia:  ~/.asoundrc does not exist - create?
[01:08] <^rob^> hi
[01:08] <^rob^> i am back with a problem
[01:08] <kayfelix> typical
[01:09] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:09] <^rob^> i use firefox - mailto links does not do any thing - if i clik on it - is there a way to tell FF to use firebird as mail client? -- 
[01:09] <^rob^> lol - ty!
[01:10] <kayfelix> erisch: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[01:10] <kayfelix> ^rob^:  i think you set that in your CCenter
[01:10] <^rob^> did not find it!
[01:10] <kayfelix> ^rob^:  under kde components i think
[01:11] <^rob^> neither search for mail 
[01:11] <kayfelix> KDE Components
[01:11] <kayfelix> component Chooser
[01:11] <kayfelix> Email Client
[01:11] <nikkia> kayfelix: yeah, it won't exist until you create it :)
[01:11] <kayfelix> nikkia: ok, creating
[01:11] <^rob^> hmm - ty
[01:12] <kayfelix> ^rob^:  not sure if thats the _right_ one, but id guess it is...
[01:12] <^rob^> i'll see - 1 sec.
[01:12] <kayfelix> kk
[01:12] <nikkia> kayfelix: firefox may not honour those settings, it depends on which firefox build is being used
[01:13] <hans_> thx kayfelix i hope it works with gnome, too
[01:13] <^rob^> 1.0.6 from ubuntu pkgs...
[01:13] <^rob^> nope
[01:13] <^rob^> does not care...
[01:14] <kayfelix> hans_: oh sorry..... assume - makes an ASS out of U and ME ... i forget theres gnome too lol
[01:14] <nikkia> rob, read this:  http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/rechner/h_firefox.html
[01:14] <^rob^> nikkia: danke
[01:16] <^rob^> nikkia: about:config has no .mailto 
[01:16] <nikkia> rob, then, as that page says, you need to add the string to your prefs.js
[01:16] <^rob^> i think that was the problem
[01:16] <nikkia> erm, user.js rather
[01:16] <^rob^> i will
[01:16] <^rob^> ty
[01:18] <kayfelix> root@toaster:/mnt/winD/mp3 # aoss mpg123 some.mpg
[01:18] <kayfelix> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[01:18] <kayfelix> (sorry, its some.mp3, not mpg)
[01:19] <kayfelix> nikkia: what dya think?
[01:20] <hansder> jkiu
[01:20] <nikkia> kayfelix: you may need to stop artsd to test it
[01:20] <nikkia> kayfelix: as artsd is probably holding the previous alsa configuration valid while it has the device locked
[01:20] <nikkia> kayfelix: try artsshell -q terminate   then try again
[01:20] <kayfelix> nikkia:  set arts to alsa or keep it automatic?
[01:21] <hansder> how can i forcefully end a process?
[01:21] <kayfelix> kill pid -9
[01:21] <nikkia> kay, for now, just make arts stop, so you can test the settings, worry about arts once you have a valid dmix setup working
[01:21] <kayfelix> same error, even after artsshell -q terminate
[01:25] <hansder> kill pid -9
[01:26] <DocAnsi> kill -9 pid
[01:26] <nikkia> kayfelix: you might need to log out of kde and re-login
[01:27] <nikkia> although, to be honest, getting alsa configured right is something best done at the console, rather than with KDE hanging around in the way, IME
[01:27] <DocAnsi> hansder: kill -9 PID, where PID is Process ID. you can see Process ID with ps or ps aux
[01:27] <kayfelix> or CTRL + ESC
[01:28] <DocAnsi> kill -9 PID is kill -KILL pid, Send signal to process -> SIGKILL
[01:28] <^rob^> nikkia: you-re like gold to man's house - ty for your help - it is workin' now!
[01:28] <^rob^> ;)
[01:28] <^rob^> bye
[01:29] <kayfelix> nikkia:  now aint that a compliment?
[01:29] <nikkia> i'm not quite sure what it means, to be honest :)
[01:29] <kayfelix> nikkia: me neither but sounds good all the same
[01:30] <hansder> sorry but im trying to kill python which is using up to 90% of my cpu ressources but it wont end
[01:31] <nikkia> hansder: plone ?
[01:31] <DocAnsi> hansder: okay. SIGKILL doesn't make it end? you need to be root. sudo kill -KILL [python's pid] 
[01:31] <nikkia> DocAnsi: his python process(es) are possibly zombified, i saw that behaviour with plone :/
[01:32] <kayfelix> but whatever you do, dont press the big red button titled "dont press"
[01:32] <nikkia> the solution was to uninstall plone, then reboot, as nothing would kill the zombies (obviously)
[01:32] <DocAnsi> nikkia: okay. he might need to kill -HUP python's parent's pid.
[01:32] <hansder> doesnt work
[01:32] <hansder> whats that with plone?
[01:32] <DocAnsi> what is python's parent? use ps -ef | grep python
[01:33] <kayfelix> brb
[01:34] <hansder> /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/bin/python /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2Play_gui.py
[01:34] <hansder> but point2play isnt running
[01:41] <nikkia> OMG... i thought my slightly-flamey email to a strategic partner would go down badly
[01:41] <nikkia> instead they thanked me for the email and said they'll work on it right away :P
[01:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: hehe, occurences like that are always funny. I recall a member who said he'd just go to an Internet cafe to evade a ban I gave him, on the forum, and had various other flames; I replied jokingly, and he took it surprisingly well; "thanks for the reply.. sense of humour.. I won't bother you again". :D
[02:01] <edulix> hey
[02:01] <edulix> hello everybody
[02:01] <edulix> which is the best way to install qt4 and qt4 designer in my kubuntu ?
[02:05] <jeh> edulix: you could compile from source and install in some non-standard location, such as /usr/local
[02:06] <edulix> jeh: ok
[02:06] <edulix> i thought that maybe someone already had some packages for it
[02:06] <jeh> i see no packages available
[02:06] <edulix> me neither
[02:06] <jeh> but hoary is from a time before qt4
[02:07] <jeh> so unless someone has made extra packages it's probably not available
[02:10] <kayfelix> anyone with Qemu experience?
[02:10] <kayfelix> root@toaster:/home/kayfelix/qemuimg # qemu -hda hd.img -cdrom /dev/cdrom -boot d -m 128 -enable-audio
[02:10] <kayfelix> Connected to host network interface: tun0
[02:10] <kayfelix> Could not initialize SDL - exiting
[02:55] <spiritz> is it possible to use breezy and kde at the same time using kubuntu repositories for kde?
[02:59] <apokryphos> spiritz: breezy has 3.4.2 currently in it
[03:00] <spiritz> really
[03:00] <spiritz> so I don't need to use kubuntu repositories anymore?
[03:02] <apokryphos> spiritz: correct
[03:04] <spiritz> Actually I just tried with a dist-upgrade with breezy repos but now I get hundred of unmet dependencies :s
[03:05] <apokryphos> you changed your sources and then did a dist-upgrade?
[03:05] <spiritz> yes
[03:05] <spiritz> is that wrong?
[03:05] <apokryphos> you have to update apt first
[03:05] <spiritz> Ok I did it too
[03:06] <apokryphos> something must be wrong with your sources then; could you pastebin them?
[03:06] <spiritz> sure
[03:08] <spiritz> its over there : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1828
[03:09] <spiritz> I also added the warning before the dist upgrade Line51 and the problem now line 427
[03:10] <apokryphos> spiritz: your sources is a little mucked up there
[03:10] <spiritz> would you mind giving me yours?
[03:10] <apokryphos> you have some repos twice, and some you shouldn't have there (or have uncommented
[03:10] <apokryphos> try using just the base breezy ones
[03:11] <apokryphos> i.e.  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[03:11] <apokryphos> I actually only have that and the deb-src one used, I see.
[03:12] <apokryphos> (appart from Ktorrent and adept repo)
[03:13] <spiritz> I'm looking for a breezy sourcE.list over google
[03:13] <apokryphos> spiritz: just put the line in I gave you
[03:13] <spiritz> ok
[03:14] <apokryphos> There's an example list on ubuntuguide though
[03:14] <spiritz> I'm updating my packages list right now 
[03:15] <spiritz> Ok done. I just tired a dist-upgrade and I get all the unmet dependencies just like before
[03:15] <spiritz> most of them belong to kde
[03:15] <apokryphos> you did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:15] <spiritz> yes
[03:15] <apokryphos> weird
[03:15] <apokryphos> what kde are you running?
[03:15] <spiritz> yes
[03:16] <spiritz> 3.4.1
[03:16] <apokryphos> spiritz: not i386?
[03:16] <spiritz> yes i386
[03:17] <apokryphos> hrmph
[03:17] <spiritz> most of the packages complains about "kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed". Maybe I should force the installation of tihs one
[03:17] <apokryphos> spiritz: can you clarify that you have kubuntu-desktop installed first?
[03:17] <spiritz> sure
[03:18] <apokryphos> sometimes the metapack can be deleted
[03:18] <apokryphos> (and it helps with upgrades)
[03:18] <apokryphos> it seems to think that basically nothing kde-related is installed for you
[03:18] <spiritz> yes
[03:18] <spiritz> lol
[03:19] <spiritz> one moment please
[03:19] <apokryphos> dpkg -l|grep kubuntu-desktop   ...will bring it up
[03:19] <spiritz> doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop just give me the unmet dependencies list... doesn't want to go futher
[03:19] <spiritz> thanks
[03:19] <apokryphos> (if you have it installed)
[03:19] <spiritz> ok I don't have it
[03:19] <apokryphos> ok, that could be why. Try putting your old sources back, installing kubuntu-desktop, and then going for the upgrade.
[03:20] <apokryphos> (always make sure you either have ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop with upgrades).
[03:20] <spiritz> sounds good
[03:21] <Pelau> hola
[03:21] <spiritz> I'm updating my packages list ATM
[03:21] <apokryphos> Pelau: are you logged in as root?
[03:22] <apokryphos> spiritz: right
[03:22] <Pelau> YES
[03:22] <apokryphos> you shouldn't be
[03:22] <Pelau> no problem only test
[03:23] <Pelau> no LAN no WAN only standalong
[03:23] <apokryphos> your test could muck up your kde and leave you pretty susceptible ;-)
[03:24] <spiritz> apokryphos: Apt-get still complains about unmet dependencies.. Im thinking about downloading kubuntu-desktop by hand and install it with dpkg
[03:24] <apokryphos> spiritz: complains when you have your old sources?
[03:24] <spiritz> yes
[03:24] <apokryphos> manually downloading it wouldn't help; it's a metapackage -- its job is to bring things in.
[03:24] <apokryphos> what complaints? The same ones?
[03:25] <spiritz> It might be because I'm half in the installation of breezy
[03:25] <spiritz> yes
[03:25] <apokryphos> shaky situation :/
[03:25] <spiritz> I already installed  a good part of breezy; 
[03:25] <spiritz> yep
[03:25] <apokryphos> but not entirely
[03:25] <apokryphos> I doubt you installed breezy... it shouldn't have started teh actual install part until checking dependency things
[03:26] <spiritz> Well it installed things for a at least 1 hour
[03:26] <apokryphos> ack
[03:26] <spiritz> ok
[03:26] <spiritz> I'm going to try to force the installation of some unmet dependencies
[03:27] <spiritz> I don't like playing with packages such as  libqt3-mt or kdelibs ;s
[03:28] <apokryphos> quite a pickle; this is why it's not recommended that you upgrade to breezy 8)
[03:28] <spiritz> :)
[03:30] <spiritz> what a mess :(
[03:32] <apokryphos> You can (i) try reinstalling everything desktop-related, using debfoster (ii) post to the mailing list, you may have more luck; (iii) investigate more to see what ones are ruining it for you exactly
[03:32] <apokryphos> dist-upgrading without ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop is a nono because you can get problems like this
[03:34] <spiritz> Yes I won't forget that
[03:34] <spiritz> thanks for your help
[03:34] <spiritz> I'm going to choose the first solution
[03:37] <apokryphos> spiritz: then do something like debfoster ubuntu-base
[03:37] <apokryphos> spiritz: but you'll want to go into a failsafe terminal... not stay in kde obv
[03:37] <spiritz> ok
[03:37] <apokryphos> be careful though ;-). After you remove everything that ubuntu-base doesn't bring in you'll basically just have a server
[03:38] <apokryphos> you'll want to then install kubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <apokryphos> and if you want breezy, then make sure you have that repo
[03:39] <spiritz> ok
[03:39] <spiritz> You said that kubuntu-desktop was included in the breezy repo you gave me, right ? (the single line)
[03:40] <apokryphos> correct
[03:40] <spiritz> ok
[03:40] <spiritz> thanks again!
[03:40] <McScruff> lo
[03:40] <McScruff> i seriosly need help
[03:40] <apokryphos> !info kubuntu-desktop breezy
[03:40] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.50 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[03:40] <spiritz> :)
[03:41] <McScruff> somehow my storage ext3 partition has been formatted, is there a linux app that can recover it
[03:42] <apokryphos> McScruff: if it's been formatted, then no
[03:42] <apokryphos> if you mean format it as Linux, then gparted/qtparted can do it
[03:42] <spiritz> McScruff : I dont know but you should ask #linux or #ubuntu 
[03:43] <McScruff> asking in ubuntu
[03:43] <McScruff> you can get back from a format btw :)
[03:43] <McScruff> did it with ntfs and fat32 before
[03:44] <apokryphos> McScruff: if it's a pseudo-format, sure.
[03:44] <apokryphos> or "quick format" etc.
[03:45] <McScruff> im hopeing
[03:45] <blackflag> hello all
[03:45] <McScruff> like 40gb worth of stuff
[03:45] <blackflag> I have a printing problem
[03:45] <blackflag> I want to use gimp
[03:46] <blackflag> in the lan is a win print server
[03:46] <blackflag> nbow I need to know how Ican connect to the printer using gimp
[03:47] <blackflag> is there a command that I can use a remote printer?
[03:48] <blackflag> I treid "| kprinter"
[03:48] <blackflag> but it doesn't work
[03:48] <Determinist> where can i get kubuntu-5.04 from at a decent download rate? the torrent tracker isnt working, it seems
[03:49] <Mustafa^^> hi!
[03:49] <Mustafa^^> How do I mount my Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[03:50] <apokryphos> Determinist: you'll have to download then, from the site. Though torrents sometimes go down for a bit, and then pick back up..
[03:50] <jefis> how to setup'up systems time?
[03:50] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[03:50] <Determinist> apokryphos: k
[03:50] <jefis> because then i click second mouse button on clock, then on "Adjust Date & Time" it doesn't work
[03:51] <apokryphos> Determinist: the i386 torrent?
[03:51] <Mustafa^^> apokryphos: help me
[03:51] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[03:52] <apokryphos> Mustafa^^: no
[03:52] <Mustafa^^> :(
[03:53] <Pelau> apokryphos:I have a Kubuntu ,where I find the gcc and kdevelop ?
[03:54] <Pelau> Linux kupubupuntupu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:54] <apokryphos> Pelau: sudo aptitude install build-essential; kdevelop is in the repos.
[03:54] <Pelau> OK 1.000 thank
[03:54] <Pelau> and gcc ?
[03:54] <jefis> Howto adjust system time?
[03:55] <apokryphos> Mustafa^^: not that I don't like people telling me to help them ;-), but I wouldn't know. I don't know what filesystem it is etc... you can try in #ubuntu for non-kde-related questions.
[03:55] <apokryphos> Pelau: gcc gets pulled in by build-essential
[03:56] <elwood> hi all
[03:56] <elwood> where i can find the sources for apt?
[03:57] <apokryphos> !sources
[03:57] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:57] <apokryphos> elwood: or, do you mean on your system? They're in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:57] <jefis> !time
[03:57] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, jefis
[03:57] <jefis> !date
[03:57] <ubotu> jefis: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:57] <elwood> i mean to do an update...i have only the cd in my sources list
[03:58] <apokryphos> elwood: no Internet access?
[03:58] <elwood> yes i have
[03:59] <apokryphos> elwood: so add the sources in the example and then do an update
[03:59] <apokryphos> you'll only get security fixes, really
[04:00] <Determinist> apokryphos: yes
[04:01] <elwood> thanks guys
[04:02] <kayfelix> hello!
   :-(   it excuses  for gcc
[04:04] <apokryphos> ?
[04:04] <kayfelix> When I open a media player it hangs - when I then click "apply" in the arts section of the Control Center it says "Restarting the Sound Server" and whoops - audio works. I think some script/program is being shut down which is hogging the sound - does anyone know what it is and how I permanently disable it?
 thank for Kdevelop
[04:04] <apokryphos> Pelau: did you install build-essential?
[04:05] <apokryphos> if you do it will automatically bring in gcc
[04:05] <Pelau> yes
[04:05] <apokryphos> so it worked?
[04:05] <kayfelix> and secondly, <IEC958 C> in alsamixer needs to be "MM" for sound to work, but its OO on every startup, how do I make it MM permanently?
[04:05] <kayfelix> any ideas?
[04:06] <jatos> hi
[04:06] <jatos> hi
[04:06] <kayfelix> hi jatos
[04:07] <jatos> have any of you lot used crossover office?
[04:10] <apokryphos> how weird is that; my nick changed for no reason
[04:10] <jatos> what name do you want apokryphos?
[04:10] <apokryphos> though I may have clicked that thing ont he right.
[04:11] <apokryphos> jatos: the one I have 8)
[04:11] <jatos> lol...
[04:11] <apokryphos> s/right/left
[04:11] <jatos> Ikk
[04:11] <jatos> *ok
[04:37] <kayfelix> anyone know how to permanently set alsamixer config?
[04:43] <kayfelix> hey - whats the best program I can use for WinTV
[04:43] <kayfelix> XawTV?
[04:44] <kayfelix> i like the way im getting support here, very supportive
[04:44] <kayfelix> oh hello brickwall, nice to meet you.
[04:46] <transgress> hey anyone know a good tut on starting wifi in kubuntu?
[04:47] <kayfelix> to make sure you get no replies at all I shall say "no" anyway.
[04:47] <transgress> lol
[04:47] <transgress> k
[04:48] <kayfelix> :p
[04:55] <kayfelix> hello anyone know how i use my Hauppage WinTV card with Kubuntu?
[05:16] <McScruff> lo
[05:16] <McScruff> i did sudo konqueror and deleted a file, do you know where this file goes, is there a root trash?
[05:19] <jatos> lost+found?
[05:19] <McScruff> nope
[05:20] <jatos> there should a trash in /root but apart from that..
[05:20] <McScruff> i know its somewhere coz my os = 6gb atm
[05:20] <McScruff> should be 2-4
 ethereal for Kubuntu there is?
[05:21] <jatos> yeah look /root/trash.desktop I think it is and as I can say you can always look /lost+founs
[05:21] <spiritz> can you do sudo konqueror and type trash:/ in the address bar?
[05:22] <McScruff> re-calculating 
[05:22] <McScruff> need to get it small as possible so i can ghost it :)
[05:22] <McScruff> wohoo, its gone, must have been in a temp file
[05:23] <McScruff> brb need to ghost it
[05:23] <jatos> kk
[05:23] <McScruff> ty everyone
[05:23] <jatos> ty
[05:23] <jatos> so hows everyone today?
[05:24] <huhmz> fine except kubuntu keeps hanging
[05:24] <jatos> lol...
[05:24] <jatos> what causes it hang?
[05:24] <huhmz> something todo with the X server i think
[05:24] <huhmz> when doing stuff with mutiple windows for example sometimes
[05:25] <huhmz> i can still access it with ssh
[05:25] <huhmz> it is not the video drivers, ive tried both nv and nvidia
[05:25] <Pelau> ethereal for Kubuntu there is?
[05:25] <jatos> sounds your best bet is to add a few ram chip
[05:26] <huhmz> i think there is a huge thread about it on the gentoo forums, seems to be the same problem
[05:26] <jatos> try universe if not...
[05:26] <huhmz> you mean install x server from universe repo?
[05:27] <jatos> take a backup of /etc/apt/sources.list and get it off the debian sarge repositorys, but take care to put original souces.list back after getting from those repos's
[05:27] <huhmz> wait, what exactly do you think i should get from the debian repos? just new x server packages?
[05:28] <jatos> its Pelau who needs to get stuff from the repos because he wants ethereal
[05:28] <huhmz> oh right
[05:28] <jatos> I think you, huhmz need more ram in your PC
[05:28] <jatos> from the sounds of it...
[05:28] <huhmz> i do not think that is the problem
[05:29] <jatos> how apps does it crash on and much ram do you have?
[05:29] <huhmz> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-334436.html
[05:29] <huhmz> this is my problem but with kubuntu
[05:33] <jatos> let me load up that page
[05:33] <huhmz> is the ubuntu/kubuntu X server compiled with any type of anti-stacksmashing techonlogy?
[05:35] <jatos> don't know but humz you may want to try this
[05:35] <jatos> go into konsole do apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <jatos> then install x-server-core and kdebase
[05:36] <jatos> and after installing kdebase I would suggest you do apt-get remove kdm
[05:37] <jatos> that will get a "pure" version of kde, most likely without the bug that your experiencing now
[05:38] <huhmz> it is almost certainly a bug within x
[05:38] <jatos> hmm, what do you have running when the problem occurs?
[05:38] <huhmz> im a bit afraid of doing that because i might screw up my sisters desktop badly over ssh
[05:39] <huhmz> anything, doesn't matter
[05:39] <huhmz> firefox mostly
[05:39] <jatos> it won't screw anything up providing you don't do when KDE is runnign
[05:41] <huhmz> what's the purpous of doing the above? will installing x-server-core and kdebase be diffrent verions of X than kubuntu-desktop provides?
[05:41] <jatos> should be
[05:41] <jatos> different versions that is
[05:44] <huhmz> there has to be a thread about this somewhere on ubuntu forums, seems like lots of people have the problem in gentoo for example
[05:46] <jatos> hmm, well all I can say is with the way I have setup KDE, ie the one I said earlier I have no problems whatsoever
[05:48] <huhmz> oh hey here it is on ubuntu forums as well: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56830&highlight=freezes
[05:55] <jatos> kk
[05:58] <Xorlev> I found stopping apmd and acpid seems to have stopped my "crashing"
[05:58] <Xorlev> Where the userinput and the taskbar froze, but XMMS would keep going until the next song
[06:01] <huhmz> xorlev: nope, i thought that was the problem first but i tried without and still crashes
[06:02] <huhmz> seems like i have to use vesa driver until X guys sort things out
[06:03] <insta> Hey guys ... I've got an odd problem of  Kubuntu hanging on boot.  It pauses in the "Starting hotplug subsystem" part (even in recovery mode).  I can't get to a shell, so I can't offer any more input than that right now ... :/
[06:05] <GNAM> what about kubuntu breezy betas?
[06:08] <huhmz> haven't tried
[06:08] <huhmz> i just subsititute "hoary" for "breezy" in repos?
[06:36] <dazjorz> Help !!...
[06:36] <dazjorz> How to play ASX files ?
[06:37] <dazjorz> MPlayer2 ?
[06:52] <_darwin> hello
[06:54] <dazjorz> !asx
[06:54] <ubotu> dazjorz: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:54] <dazjorz> No, just one
[06:54] <dazjorz> !playasx
[06:54] <ubotu> dazjorz: I don't know
[06:54] <dazjorz> !play-asx
[06:54] <ubotu> dazjorz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:55] <nikkia> dazjorz: mplayer + w32codecs can handle most asx files
[06:56] <nikkia> ffmpeg (ffplay) can probably play/convert most, too
[06:56] <apokryphos> dazjorz: don't spam the channel; investigate with ubotu in /msg
[06:57] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:08] <dazjorz> nikkia: I've had problems with this
[07:08] <dazjorz> apokryphos: Nobody was talking man !
[07:09] <dazjorz> !find ffplay
[07:09] <apokryphos> dazjorz: why you think that makes it a valid reason to spam the channel is kind of beyond me...
[07:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'ffplay' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/ffplay, /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg/html/ffplay-doc.html) in universe/graphics/ffmpeg.
[07:09] <dazjorz> ffmpeg
[07:10] <dazjorz> Ubotu, I love you
[07:10] <ubotu> No idea, dazjorz
[07:10] <dazjorz> well, not exactly that, but
[07:10] <dazjorz> heh
[07:12] <dazjorz> nikkia: it doesn't seem to work...
[07:12] <dazjorz> Wow
[07:12] <dazjorz> the dude itself works though (A)
[07:12] <dazjorz> I mean, the page where the "applet" is on 
[07:13] <dazjorz> hey I'm listening to Robby Williams now haha
[07:14] <dazjorz> thanks :)
[07:39] <Deepthought> hi
[07:40] <Deepthought> ive got a problem during installation...
[07:40] <Deepthought> ... i think user account wasnt created properly... is there any chance to do this? adduser doesnt work..
[08:03] <nikkia> good sleep, Nalioth ?
[08:04] <Nalioth> always good, nikkia. ty
[08:04] <Nalioth> how are you today?
[08:05] <nikkia> tired
[08:06] <Nalioth> you didnt visit your associates displaying the cheshire?
[08:06] <nikkia> Nalioth: ?
[08:07] <nikkia> Nalioth: i emailed the API vendor telling them their ability to use double precision floating point is sorely lacking, got a very submissive reply from them and a 'LOL! I've printed that and hung it on the wall' from the lead of the other dev team :)
[08:08] <Nalioth> you mentioned that since you found your bug, you could put a smug grin on your face when meeting with your associates
[08:09] <nikkia> Nalioth: i don't go into the office that often :)
[08:09] <nikkia> so it was a virtual smug grin while emailing the API vendor :)
[08:10] <nikkia> the reason my co-worker printed it, and hung it on the wall, is the same reason i felt smug - all through these projects they've been taking the approach 'there is nothing wrong with our code, you're using it wrong', and i basically dissected their API and told them how they were accessing OpenGL, and why they were doing it wrong, there was no real way they could pretend it wasn't their fault
[08:10] <Nalioth> nikkia: to make the cheshire ashamed, i hope
[08:11] <nikkia> the response i got was basically 'oh, yeah, ummm, we'll go rewrite that right now' :)
[08:11] <nikkia> and then about 5 hours later 'right, when you send us your code, we'll test it against the version using double precision floats :)
[08:12] <Nalioth> heh
[08:39] <ubuntu> are you guys all using ubuntu
[08:40] <ubuntu> hello
[08:58] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[09:00] <laser_tk> Tm_T: oikein!
[09:00] <Tm_T> on
[09:00] <Tm_T> laser_tk: kuhan psis kyttmn :/
[09:00] <laser_tk> Tm_T: kui?
[09:01] <Tm_T> translated to english: "fuck off you bitch"
[09:01] <Tm_T> jaa, gprs pelkstn :/
[09:01] <Tm_T> ja pakko pst nettiin
[09:01] <Tm_T> enk osaa
[09:01] <gdh> finnish? :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> no shit sherlock
[09:01] <laser_tk> hae gprsec
[09:01] <Tm_T> ;--P
[09:01] <laser_tk> mulla oli susessa kun ite kerpsua kytin
[09:02] <Tm_T> hum, millp haen...
[09:02] <Tm_T> ai joo
[09:02] <Tm_T> I'll try that, thanks :)
[09:02] <Tm_T> (yeah, we should use english)
[09:02] <Tm_T> haha
[09:03] <laser_tk> mik liittym Tm_T
[09:03] <Tm_T> laser_tk: elisa + gprs-primetime
[09:03] <laser_tk> onkohan uusimpaan versioon tullut elisa.. DNA siel ainakin oli vuos sitten
[09:04] <laser_tk> no, psee siihen onneks laittaa asetukset, jos liittym ei ole listalla
[09:04] <Tm_T> jepu
[09:05] <laser_tk> yup ;)
[09:07] <kayfelix> crimsun: hello, you there?
[09:08] <Nalioth> kayfelix: you get sorted?
[09:10] <Tm_T> shorted
[09:11] <mvv> can someone plz tell me where i can adjust the screen resolution?
[09:11] <mvv> and refreshrate
[09:11] <laser_tk> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <laser_tk> or control center > Peripherals > Display
[09:12] <kayfelix> ney nalioth
[09:12] <mvv> hmmm, last time the install asked we what i wanted, but this time it just give me a 640 screen :(
[09:13] <kayfelix> Nalioth: sorry what were you refering to?
[09:13] <Nalioth> kayfelix: you get fixed up yestern?
[09:14] <kayfelix> Nalioth: kind of, i still think its pretty buggy
[09:14] <kayfelix> Nalioth: at least i have sound
[09:14] <kayfelix> Nalioth: trying to get Qemu working
[09:14] <kayfelix> Nalioth: dont know what to do with kqemu
[09:14] <kayfelix> Nalioth: and dont start on my WinTV card...
[09:15] <kayfelix> Nalioth: and my neck hurts too
[09:16] <Nalioth> kayfelix: go get a massage
[09:18] <kayfelix> Nalioth: sorry what?
[09:18] <kayfelix> oh massage
[09:18] <kayfelix> lol
[09:18] <kayfelix> good linux advice ;)
[09:24] <Chris_H> hey, can anyone give me a quick bit of help
[09:25] <Chris_H> i have Kubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog installed, how do i setup an ADSL connection?
[09:27] <gdh> I guess from that question you have some USB modem?
[09:28] <Chris_H> yes
[09:28] <gdh> heh, good luck :)
[09:28] <Chris_H> shit
[09:28] <Chris_H> lol
[09:28] <gdh> think about buying a $30 router :) much less pain in the long term =)
[09:28] <Chris_H> thanks anyway
[09:28] <Tm_T> xD
[09:29] <gdh> It might be much easier now, but last time I looked at any of it, it involved binary kernel modules and all kinds of evil 
[09:29] <gdh> bah :)
[09:29] <Tm_T> usb/internal modem... shit shit shit ;--P
[09:29] <gdh> Yeh, I bought 2 hard disks from scan.co.uk this week and their Free Gift was a PCI ADSL modem.
[09:29] <gdh> they must really be trying to shift them
[09:31] <chakie> anyone compiled the nvidia nforce2 audio drivers?
[09:35] <chakie> ok, you had to install the linux-source package and run "make menuconfig" in it before the drivers could be installed
[09:35] <chakie> so, now i have the nvaudio driver installed, now i assume i should try to persuade alsa to use it
[09:41] <Blissex> chakie: 'nvaudio' is an OSS driver.
[09:41] <chakie> ugh
[09:42] <chakie> my old setup had the nforce driver working with some kind of alsa
[09:42] <chakie> so far i'm not too impressed by the simplicity of ubuntu
[09:43] <Tm_T> ?
[09:43] <chakie> no audio at all on a very common chipset
[09:43] <Tm_T> ok, if your hardware manufacturer doesn't give proper drivers...
[09:44] <Blissex> chakie: the ALSA driver for nForce is 'snd-intel8x0' and its not too bad.
[09:44] <Tm_T> haha
[09:44] <chakie> every practical distro is a compromise
[09:44] <Tm_T> I do have sound with nforce2
[09:44] <Blissex> chakie: sound is often a big mess with GNU/Linux distros...
[09:44] <chakie> i had sound with it too before trying kubuntu
[09:44] <chakie> it worked well for years
[09:45] <gdh> the latest 2.6.12 with breezy only detects 128M of RAm when I have 256 :)
[09:45] <gdh> I should really file a bug, or something :)
[09:45] <gdh> but my 'arsedness gland' is playing up again
[09:45] <Blissex> gdh: OH PLEASE Dont use Breezy
[09:45] <Tm_T> sounds like user error to me ;)
[09:45] <gdh> Blissex: Too late - did so 2 weeks ago, and aside from that, it's been great :)
[09:45] <gdh> Tm_T: fu :)
[09:45] <Tm_T> gdh: please do
[09:45] <Blissex> gdh: and if the kernel detects 128MB most like there are only 128MB.
[09:45] <Tm_T> ;-P
[09:46] <gdh> Blissex: however, if I select the 2.6.10 in the GRUB menu, then it shows 256, in the same way that the BIOS memory check does.
[09:46] <Blissex> gdh: uhm, thats bizarre, but most likely it has nothing to do with the distro. It may be that the RAM scanning logic in 2.6.12 has changed.
[09:47] <Blissex> gdh: but it is amazingly unlikely to be wrong. perhaps your BIOS has some bugs that 2.6.12 cannot cope with.
[09:47] <gdh> dinner ready! bbl :)
[09:53] <jpatrick> I tried dist-upgrading to Breezy it wanted to remove all my KDE apps
[09:54] <Blissex> jpatrick: it is still too early to ''upgrade'' to Breezy. Oh please, everybody stop that.
[09:54] <jpatrick> I'm not going to
[09:56] <Blissex> jpatrick: and as to KDE you can easilu get 3.4.2 for Hoary, from the Kubuntu repo, so that's good.
[09:58] <jpatrick> I didn't understand why it said that 99% of my KDE apps were to be removed
[09:59] <Blissex> jpatrick: almost surely because they depend on a library that has a new version in Breezy.
[09:59] <hussam> will breezy stay unstable till the last minute or will there be a phaze were we can start testing?
[10:00] <Blissex> jpatrick: dont do things like ''random upgrade to Breezy'' if you don't know very very well how packages and ABIs work...
[10:00] <Blissex> hussam: at some point usually the Ubuntu developers say ''start testing it''. For the brave :-)
[10:00] <Blissex> hussam: some people are already using Breezy, but it is much down to luck and how much one knows about package management and can fix issues onseself.
[10:01] <hussam> Blissex: when will that be? approximately
[10:01] <Blissex> hussam: no idea... but the release cycle is every six months, and Breezy should be released in December, so perhaps in a month or two.
[10:02] <hussam> Blissex: oh, I though it was in October?
[10:02] <jpatrick> it is October
[10:02] <jpatrick> the 10th I think
[10:02] <Blissex> I am getting confused with anothrer one oops.
[10:03] <Blissex> hussam: yes, so perhaps in a week or two...
[10:04] <hussam> Blissex: ok, so it will go into testing in a week or two, and final release will be in October 10.
[10:04] <jpatrick> 6 weeks to October 10
[10:06] <Spudchat> can you edit config files if you open them in a tab in konqueror?
[10:06] <Spudchat> well any kind of txt file
[10:07] <Nalioth> Spudchat: you need a standalone txt editor
[10:07] <Nalioth> Spudchat: konqueror is for viewing, i believe
[10:07] <lascar> you can "edit," but you can't save things like config files
[10:08] <Spudchat> ok thanks
[10:11] <kayfelix> Does someone know why i cant get XawTV and TVTime working in Kubuntu?
[10:13] <lascar> is anyone familiar with subversion repositories?
[10:13] <lascar> i'm trying to install the WMV codec for VLC
[10:13] <lascar> and a bunch of other ones
[10:14] <lascar> and they're only available through SVN repositories, and i don't know how to install from them
[10:14] <kayfelix> lascar: why cant you use the normal universe repositories for VLC?
[10:14] <lascar> any help would be greatly appreciated
[10:15] <kayfelix> the standard repositories
[10:15] <lascar> kayfelix:because they migrated
[10:15] <john_> hey, whats that plugin that makes gnome apps look good in KDE?
[10:15] <kayfelix> well i just did apt-get install vlc and it works
[10:15] <john_> i forgot it, and i reformated
[10:15] <lascar> now try and open a WMV file
[10:15] <kayfelix> oh...
[10:16] <lascar> kayfelix: yep
[10:16] <kayfelix> but wait a second
[10:16] <kayfelix> i read something about that
[10:16] <lascar> http://developers.videolan.org/svn.html
[10:16] <kayfelix> no thats not it
[10:16] <kayfelix> i read something about wmv files... just today...
[10:16] <Blissex> john_: the KDE GTK compatibility control module.
[10:16] <kayfelix> camt remember for the life of me
[10:17] <john_> Blissex: thanks!
[10:17] <Blissex> john_: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[10:38] <TheMagnumMunkey> hi.. i need some help compiling something from its source in linux
[10:39] <Tm_T> laser_tk: =)
[10:40] <Nalioth> TheMagnumMunkey: whats that?
[10:40] <TheMagnumMunkey> moodin engine?
[10:40] <TheMagnumMunkey> for splah screens and such
[10:40] <Nalioth> got the source?
[10:40] <TheMagnumMunkey> yes
[10:41] <TheMagnumMunkey> but when i try to compile it give me sum errors
[10:42] <Nalioth> i've never heard of the 'moodin engine'. what is it?
[10:42] <spiral> hi
[10:43] <TheMagnumMunkey> uhm, for KDE, it lets u put on like animated splash screens, diff features
[10:43] <spiral> hmmm... just read the latest report.html & it looks like I've read the same one for at least two long weeks... is it really such a mess installing kubuntu breezy nowadays ?
[10:43] <Nalioth> TheMagnumMunkey: got a link?
[10:43] <TheMagnumMunkey> hold on
[10:44] <TheMagnumMunkey> heres wuts going on so far
[10:44] <TheMagnumMunkey> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1838
[10:44] <TheMagnumMunkey> and here is moodin
[10:44] <TheMagnumMunkey> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705
[10:45] <Nalioth> ok hang on a minim
[10:45] <TheMagnumMunkey> ok
[10:45] <TheMagnumMunkey> thanks
[10:46] <TheMagnumMunkey> lol Nalioth, are you always here?
[10:47] <Nalioth> i'm always in #ubuntu
[10:47] <Nalioth> sometimes in here
[10:47] <TheMagnumMunkey> ohh
[10:47] <TheMagnumMunkey> ok
[10:47] <TheMagnumMunkey> the moodin engine is real nice, very high user rating
[10:48] <Nalioth> except it doestn seem to work
[10:49] <TheMagnumMunkey> well
[10:49] <TheMagnumMunkey> i always have problems when compiling from source
[10:49] <TheMagnumMunkey> im not good at it
[10:49] <Nalioth> TheMagnumMunkey: have you installed all your kde dev pkgs?
[10:49] <TheMagnumMunkey> let me see nalioth
[10:50] <TheMagnumMunkey> Okay Im installing them through Synaptics
[10:51] <TheMagnumMunkey> Okay they are installed. Now should i try?
[10:51] <lascar> kayfelix: i'm going to use gxine and see what happens
[10:51] <Nalioth> MrGardenHoseMan: are you using moodin .4.1?
[10:51] <Nalioth> TheMagnumMunkey: are you using .4.1?
[10:52] <TheMagnumMunkey> lol garden hose? lmao no 4.2 i think
[10:52] <Nalioth> try to get .4.1
[10:52] <Nalioth> betas can be so nasty
[10:53] <TheMagnumMunkey> ok
[10:53] <TheMagnumMunkey> thanks nalioth
[10:54] <lascar> ::sighs:: does anyone know how to install the WMV library?
[11:00] <kayfelix> lascar: gxsine for what?
[11:00] <kayfelix> lascar: oh for wmv
[11:00] <kayfelix> lascar: :p tell me if you have any luck
[11:01] <kayfelix> lascar: i remembered
[11:01] <kayfelix> kaffeine player told me something about wmv
[11:01] <Nalioth> lascar: newer wmvs wont play no matter what you have installed
[11:02] <Nalioth> lascar: its w32codecs  <<pkg name
[11:02] <kayfelix> thats so gay
[11:02] <kayfelix> lascar: kaffeine will start the xine wmvdmod.dll library if its installed and run it...
[11:02] <kayfelix> i aint tried it yet tho - but maybe you can look into it
[11:03] <kayfelix> ALTERNATIVELY!!!!!!!!!!! boot into WINDOZE and recode your movies into a fooking betta format!
[11:03] <kayfelix> lol
[11:03] <kayfelix> This is the reason the state of Massachusets is changing from MS formats to OPEN formats
[11:03] <kayfelix> (was an atricle about it on /. )
[11:04] <Nalioth> kayfelix: i quite agree
[11:04] <Nalioth> kayfelix: and thats the ONLY reason "I" would have a windows box
[11:05] <kayfelix> Nalioth: :p going for a walk, be back in about 20 minutes
[11:05] <Nalioth> kayfelix: i'm not your mother
[11:05] <gdh> I have eaten. I am sated. Yum :)
[11:05] <lascar> ok, back
[11:05] <lascar> gimme a sec
[11:06] <kayfelix_away> Nalioth: yeah but im leaving in the middle of the convo lol. byebye
[11:06] <Nalioth> kayfelix_away: dont bite any dogs
[11:07] <lascar> nalioth: run your proposal by me again
[11:08] <lascar> w32codecs?
[11:08] <Tm_T> :/
[11:08] <Nalioth> lascar: what proposal?
[11:08] <Tm_T> !search gprs
[11:08] <ubotu> Tm_T: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:09] <gdh> lascar: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main ... apt-get update... apt-get install w32codecs...
[11:09] <Tm_T> :/
[11:09] <Tm_T> it was find :p
[11:09] <Tm_T> ok anyway
[11:10] <lascar> gdh: where'd you find that out?
[11:10] <Nalioth> brb
[11:10] <gdh> lascar: marillat is a very common repository for 'media related' packages
[11:11] <Tm_T> =)
[11:11] <gdh> all the shit that's "a bit dodgy" and Debian won't go near
[11:11] <gdh> Christian Marillat is a Debian developer @debian.org so people trust the quality of his packages.
[11:12] <lascar> lol
[11:13] <boga> haow can I mount my Digital Camera?
[11:13] <lascar> brb
[11:14] <gdh> boga: no idae - if you plug it into the USB does an icon not appear on your desktop?
[11:16] <Tm_T> or media:/
[11:18] <boga> gdh: none!
[11:18] <gdh> omg! :)
[11:18] <boga> gdh: may be it's not supported, it's a Nikon CoolPix 5900 
[11:18] <gdh> That sounds quite recent.
[11:19] <hussam> is there a gui for qemu?
[11:19] <gdh> how does the kamera kioslave work? uses 'gphoto' as a backend?
[11:35] <Spudchat> is ssh enabled by default? i tried connecting to this machine through putty and it failed :|
[11:36] <Tm_T> Spudchat: check if ssh package is installed
[11:37] <Spudchat> open ssh client is installed
[11:37] <Spudchat> but thats it
[11:37] <Tm_T> !ssh
[11:37] <ubotu> well, ssh is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/"
[11:38] <Tm_T> humm
[11:38] <lascar> i've now got a working WMV library
[11:38] <lascar> thanx to all who were involved
[11:39] <Tm_T> :)
[11:43] <kayfelix> im back
[11:43] <lascar> and i'm out
[11:43] <gdh> =)
[11:45] <kayfelix> my XMMS keeps hanging with pressed "play" button for about 40 seconds
[11:46] <kayfelix> something to do with the sound server i think...
[11:54] <dell500> could the way a song is record/ripped affect the song from not moving to the next? or is that a problem with xmms
[11:57] <chowells2> was mplayer removed from Kubuntu?
[11:57] <chowells2> there seems to be no sign of it in universe
[11:58] <gdh> multiverse?
[11:58] <dell500> anyone know how to burn flac 24Hz??
[11:58] <gdh> chowells2: yes, Filename: pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-586_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[11:59] <|KeltiK|> Hey folx....  What's the workaround for the /dev/lp0 glitch?  I've got to send a box out tonight and it's still not letting me print after a reboot.
[12:01] <|KeltiK|> Hello??
[12:01] <kayfeli1> Fhi
[12:01] <kayfeli1> can someone boot kayfelix?
[12:01] <|KeltiK|> Anybody?
[12:02] <chowells2> gdh: is universe and multiverse not the same thing?