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| JaneW | **REMINDER** Edubuntu Dev Update Meeting here - NOW | 02:00 |
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| JaneW | hello | 02:00 |
| ogra | hi | 02:00 |
| ogra | looks like a rather small meeting today :) | 02:01 |
| Treenaks | ogra: only you? :) | 02:01 |
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| ogra | Treenaks, and you :) | 02:01 |
| ogra | oh, and flint | 02:01 |
| ogra | hi flint | 02:01 |
| flint | Good Morning from DC... | 02:01 |
| JaneW | hi flint | 02:02 |
| flint | yes ollie, I bring greetings from elkner who is actually working! | 02:02 |
| flint | Hi jane! | 02:02 |
| ogra | yeah, we talked last night | 02:02 |
| ogra | (my night) | 02:02 |
| ogra | :) | 02:02 |
| flint | no ollie, elkner whined at you and you were kind enough to listen.... | 02:02 |
| JaneW | ok so where are we | 02:02 |
| JaneW | what happened with kamion's build in the end? | 02:03 |
| ogra | JaneW, near our first completely working CD | 02:03 |
| JaneW | define near...? | 02:03 |
| JaneW | I like the completely working part... | 02:03 |
| ogra | that one failed, but we'll go on building until its in shape... i wont stop nagging him today ;) | 02:03 |
| JaneW | good ;) | 02:03 |
| flint | we are about to start another server install. The Idea is each server is the latest build. | 02:04 |
| JaneW | we need to update the BreezyGoals page with progress | 02:04 |
| ogra | its the only missing bit, the apps should all be ready, artwork has to move to main to get on the CD but thats trivial | 02:04 |
| JaneW | for Matt et al | 02:04 |
| ogra | yup, as soon as i can offer a Cd we'll move to green :) | 02:04 |
| JaneW | great | 02:04 |
| JaneW | so is the server side still a problem? | 02:05 |
| flint | We were also beating up matt regarding inconsistencies in the install and live breezy builds. | 02:05 |
| ogra | thats good... | 02:05 |
| ogra | ha also urgently need ltsp feedback... | 02:05 |
| flint | ...well it is even more complicated than that... | 02:05 |
| ogra | needs even | 02:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: the main inclusion reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion | 02:06 |
| JaneW | I see one server package was rejected | 02:06 |
| JaneW | one still needs work | 02:06 |
| JaneW | any issues with either of those? | 02:06 |
| ogra | mediawiki is dropped... i havent udate yet | 02:06 |
| ogra | updated | 02:06 |
| ogra | pitti didnt want it and mdz says we didnt make commitments at the summit, it was rather a survey in his eyes | 02:07 |
| JaneW | oic... | 02:07 |
| JaneW | I know a lot of ppl were *happy* at the prospect of it being in | 02:07 |
| JaneW | and doesn;t moodle require it? | 02:07 |
| JaneW | or am I confussed? | 02:07 |
| ogra | so mediawiki is out of discussion... unfortunately moin is very hard to install with the current package | 02:08 |
| ogra | moodle is standalone | 02:08 |
| JaneW | oic, ok good | 02:08 |
| ogra | wikipedia requires mediawiki | 02:08 |
| ogra | so users have to install it from universe... | 02:08 |
| ogra | its there, just not in the default install | 02:08 |
| ogra | i had to cut down the sipped languages for now, else the Cd explodes... | 02:09 |
| ogra | shipped even | 02:10 |
| ogra | we currently have en, de, fr and es | 02:10 |
| flint | sorry interrupted by crane company representative... | 02:10 |
| JaneW | can we get moin in? | 02:11 |
| JaneW | we'll have to have a wiki... | 02:11 |
| JaneW | sabdfl won't approve it without ;) | 02:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: wasn;t it wikipedia that needs media wiki? | 02:11 |
| ogra | if the CD turns out good, i'll see that we'll have a parallel DVD build... but i'd like to keep the CD | 02:11 |
| JaneW | I am sure something needed it? or was it just our summit attendee's preference...? | 02:11 |
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| ogra | [14:08] <ogra> wikipedia requires mediawiki | 02:11 |
| flint | you are going to love this... Implementation Plan: Phase 1 - Infrastructure, specifies in section 2,Web content filtering will be an essential component of Edubunt as a requirement. | 02:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: es=? | 02:13 |
| flint | In Amerika all classroom sites must maintain filtering capability, it is federal law. | 02:13 |
| ogra | JaneW, spanish | 02:14 |
| JaneW | ok good, we need spanish :) | 02:14 |
| ogra | flint, i cant do anything about it... | 02:14 |
| flint | Elkner asked me to ask about this. | 02:14 |
| ogra | flint, it has to wait until breezy+1 | 02:14 |
| flint | so i asked... | 02:14 |
| ogra | i told him yesterday.- | 02:14 |
| JaneW | and Matt told you on monday afair | 02:14 |
| JaneW | or one day tis week at any rate | 02:15 |
| flint | sorry to whine about this, but who is designing/building this part, and could a proto be available. | 02:15 |
| ogra | flint, i'll see if i can manage to get a default blacklist packaged | 02:15 |
| ogra | flint, thats me too, since nobody wanted the task | 02:15 |
| flint | ollie, you is wonderful... | 02:15 |
| JaneW | we simply had far too many 'essential' goals for breezy | 02:15 |
| magnon | I would _guess_ that if it's federal law to have filtering (never heard about that) - it would have some requirements to the filter? | 02:15 |
| magnon | which would be beyond a "default blacklist" | 02:16 |
| ogra | sure | 02:16 |
| JaneW | which were impossible to complete in the given time with the resources available | 02:16 |
| flint | If I have time, and do not run out of money I would like to collaborate. | 02:16 |
| ogra | but its more than we have now | 02:16 |
| JaneW | flint: take a look at the deferred table on... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals | 02:16 |
| magnon | also, tuning a filter is an immense amount of work - I've had lots of problems with for isntance political information that students have needed, have been blocked out | 02:16 |
| JaneW | flint: and those are thing we thought would be in - there's another list of things that were postponed upfront... | 02:17 |
| ogra | flint, you can currently install squid and squidguard from universe, all thats missing is a blacklist package... we'll have to work out a good default cofiguration for breezy+1 and probably a gui | 02:17 |
| flint | Jane, the reason that sabdfl has you around is you husband his resources as if they were your own. | 02:17 |
| JaneW | magnon: exactly, we have had lengthy debates about this | 02:17 |
| flint | dansguardian is also out there. I am thinking a shell script... | 02:17 |
| JaneW | flint: hey leave my husband out of this ;) | 02:17 |
| ogra | flint, dansguardian is a bit problematic with its distribution license afaik | 02:18 |
| flint | dear, i am the one they call skinflint. | 02:18 |
| magnon | danguardian is license problematic, yes | 02:18 |
| magnon | dans* | 02:18 |
| flint | thanks for the tip about dansguardian. | 02:18 |
| JaneW | magnon: do you have anything in your installations? | 02:18 |
| ogra | flint, currently its not worse than a redhat system, i dont think their squidguard is configured by default... | 02:19 |
| ogra | next release will be a lot better wrt content filtering | 02:19 |
| JaneW | also this requirement seems specific to the states... | 02:19 |
| magnon | I haven't been setting up anything but the firewall, my colleague has worked a lot with the filtering also when he worked at a school | 02:19 |
| macgyver2 | it also seems quite hand-wavy...first section: http://www.ala.org/ala/pla/plapubs/technotes/internetfiltering.htm | 02:20 |
| magnon | but I think he used some dansguardian, as it was an on site installation | 02:20 |
| ogra | having a proxy is halpful in any country... if you switch on filtering is up to you ;) | 02:20 |
| magnon | they are always on a secondary box though | 02:20 |
| ogra | but lets keep on topic, we dont work on content filtering this release anymore | 02:20 |
| ogra | (except probably packaging a blacklist package for universe) | 02:20 |
| magnon | last comment - dans guardian has a weird exception, it is released under the gpl for noncommercial use - distributing that in edubuntu would be hard | 02:21 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes good point | 02:21 |
| JaneW | let's stay current for now | 02:21 |
| JaneW | we'll discuss this again when we have a 'completely working CD' | 02:21 |
| magnon | good idea :) | 02:21 |
| ogra | magnon, why ? we dont sell edubuntu and dont plan to | 02:21 |
| ogra | yup | 02:21 |
| ogra | which should appear within the next 30min | 02:21 |
| JaneW | magnon: no money will change hand, except possiblu for support or customisation never for the code | 02:22 |
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| ogra | JaneW, keep it on ice... | 02:22 |
| ogra | this takes time... i have to sync and test install it... | 02:22 |
| JaneW | ogra: you like to keep us on the edge of our seats don't you ? ;) | 02:23 |
| ogra | heh | 02:23 |
| ogra | i cant speed it up, sorry... | 02:23 |
| ogra | get me a bigger line over here and i can test faster | 02:24 |
| ogra | ... but the build report should already say something... | 02:24 |
| magnon | just assume a worst case scenario already :) | 02:25 |
| JaneW | ogra: move to a bigger town :P | 02:25 |
| JaneW | *joke* | 02:25 |
| flint | we will stand by and build/test with your latest this afternoon ollie. | 02:26 |
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| ogra | JaneW, i'll probably do soon | 02:26 |
| ogra | GF wants to buy a house... | 02:26 |
| JaneW | s/on/one | 02:26 |
| ogra | JaneW, i doubt you offended him :) | 02:26 |
| ogra | he wanted to go drinking | 02:26 |
| JaneW | I think I did | 02:26 |
| JaneW | but maybe he was just looking for an excuse ;) | 02:26 |
| flint | on the other hand I am very hurt :^) | 02:27 |
| JaneW | anyway so are we assuming today;s CD is good or not? | 02:27 |
| JaneW | because that will determine what to discuss next... | 02:27 |
| JaneW | flint: I know you'll cope ;) | 02:27 |
| ogra | i do... i wont stop working on it with Kamion... so if he doesnt stop, it should be good to go today | 02:28 |
| flint | zimmerman and elkner were conflicted on the installation documentation. elkner liked ollie | 02:28 |
| JaneW | ok, so the CD will be good, what then? | 02:28 |
| JaneW | what's required next? | 02:28 |
| ogra | mdz didnt like mine because it had an error in the beginning, but thats fixed long ago | 02:28 |
| magnon | testing? | 02:28 |
| JaneW | yes the docs, why didn;t Matt like olis install notes? | 02:28 |
| ogra | getting the artwork on it ... | 02:28 |
| magnon | and then testing^infinity | 02:28 |
| JaneW | ok, well then there shouldn't be a problem | 02:29 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok, and do you have all the artwork you need? | 02:29 |
| JaneW | I have been soliciting for more, but no luck so far | 02:29 |
| JaneW | and my own attempt was pitiful | 02:29 |
| magnon | did you get any response from the badger guy? | 02:29 |
| JaneW | yes once the CD is good TEST TEST TEST | 02:29 |
| JaneW | magnon: no :(( | 02:30 |
| ogra | JaneW, edubuntu-artwork currently has a gdm theme, a wallpaper and splash... it sets the icon theme and gdm thme in the postinstall... thats all...i'll add other walpaper over time | 02:30 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok | 02:30 |
| JaneW | I mailed Sebastein Loss 4 times, to get some nice mascot stuff... but nothing yet. | 02:31 |
| magnon | I thought you mentioned that he was going away? | 02:31 |
| ogra | grmpf... | 02:32 |
| ogra | the CD is done... it would be good if not someone had made python-epydoc uninstallable ... argh | 02:33 |
| ogra | i dont even know what python-epydoc is .... grmbl | 02:34 |
| flint | all hell is breaking out at my house!!! | 02:34 |
| JaneW | fint: why? | 02:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: problem? | 02:37 |
| ogra | JaneW, easy to work around with another rebuild.... but odd... | 02:37 |
| flint | you would not believe it. I can sound the all clear now... | 02:38 |
| ogra | but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.2/report.html looks very good | 02:38 |
| ogra | (note that i'm concentrating on i386 only | 02:38 |
| ogra | ) | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | ogra: looking very good indeed | 02:39 |
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| ogra | ajmitch, if i remove epydoc its a release :) | 02:39 |
| ogra | but i rather find out what breaky epydoc... | 02:39 |
| ogra | breaks even | 02:39 |
| JaneW | ogra: will you look at the other builds once i386 is behaving ? | 02:40 |
| ogra | JaneW, sure... but most of this stuff will sort itself... | 02:40 |
| JaneW | ora: good!? :P | 02:40 |
| ogra | powerpc is missing the fixes from kamion... | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | ogra: yes, strange, since py-epydoc installs ok here | 02:40 |
| ogra | many errors there are inherited from ubuntu... | 02:40 |
| ogra | they just dont show up there, because we have other default packages | 02:41 |
| flint | breezy is at least installing... | 02:41 |
| flint | what i mean is you do not have to install hoary and upgrade any more. | 02:42 |
| flint | Jane, on another topic, what is the edubuntu mafia doing in Montreal? | 02:44 |
| JaneW | flint: drinking prolly ;) | 02:45 |
| ogra | smoking too | 02:46 |
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| ogra | ;) | 02:46 |
| flint | ...what was that Argintenian drink? I was thinking that with mcquillin and everyone there we (or maybe you) should think agenda. :^) | 02:46 |
| flint | or am i jumping the gun? | 02:47 |
| ogra | JaneW, Kamion means the CD (i386 at least) is good with the next build... i wouldnt start premature champaign orgys, but it looks like we'll be partially green this evening | 02:47 |
| ogra | powerpc and amd64 have a size problem | 02:47 |
| flint | how bad a size problem? | 02:48 |
| ogra | <Kamion> ogra: amd64 is about 6MB over; powerpc is about 50MB over; i386 fits | 02:48 |
| ogra | amd64 should be easy... i'll find something to drop... | 02:48 |
| ogra | powerpc hasnt the installer fixes yet... | 02:49 |
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| ogra | so that might change | 02:49 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, hey, how was thebeer | 02:49 |
| flint | 50 megs is pessimistically 10 percent... | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | salut | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | its raining so hard i wasn't able to go out at all | 02:49 |
| ogra | flint, as i said, there are fixes in the installaer part mising, Kamion didnt do the yaboot update yet | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | i had to be content with the cheap wine given to me 3 days ago | 02:49 |
| magnon | does Edubuntu nescessarily have to hold the 1-cd limit? | 02:50 |
| ogra | flint, so the 50MB might actually be smaller | 02:50 |
| magnon | or is the discussion about Breezy in general | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | ideally, but not necessarily | 02:50 |
| flint | the deal at the conference was that we could consider DVD. Over to you Jane. | 02:50 |
| ogra | magnon, we are going for a DVD anyway... but i'd like to keep the CD around | 02:50 |
| magnon | well, going for a dvd wouldnt get you slaughtered for making a double cd set | 02:50 |
| flint | I am still trying to get over it not fitting on a floppy :^) | 02:51 |
| ogra | worst case i'll cut the CD down to english only with a language install optin over network | 02:51 |
| magnon | at least not for Edubuntu, as for me that would be considered an "addon" with extra software | 02:51 |
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| magnon | ogra: may I suggest you include languages we know will be used a lot in countries that might not have very good inet access? :) | 02:51 |
| ogra | flint, just develop a new and shiny copression algorhitm ;) | 02:51 |
| flint | ...a 5.25" floppy! Ollie, is there any magic compression that does character sets really well? | 02:52 |
| ogra | magnon, we'll have *all* 90 langs on the DVD | 02:52 |
| magnon | and then scrap things like german, swedish, danish on the cd | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | scrap german *gasp* | 02:52 |
| flint | harsh! | 02:52 |
| ogra | flint, i doubt it, thats why i said develop one ;) | 02:52 |
| magnon | jsgotangco: you can download it :) | 02:52 |
| flint | as they say in german "crap" | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | tell that to the german who is developing it right now | 02:53 |
| magnon | :O | 02:53 |
| ogra | magnon, i just ct down the langs anyway... we currently ship only en, de, fr and es | 02:53 |
| magnon | jsgotangco: Norwegian isn't in the CD distro, but I'd be all for scrapping it if you included portuguese and spanish etc. | 02:53 |
| flint | no the internationalization is a foundation of this org. | 02:53 |
| ogra | s7ct/cut/ | 02:53 |
| flint | loose applications rather than language capability. | 02:53 |
| flint | wait...why not esperanto? | 02:54 |
| magnon | because noone talks esperanto? :) | 02:54 |
| magnon | pardon, but I like being ignorant from time to time | 02:54 |
| Treenaks | magnon: that's why it's needed in schools 8) | 02:54 |
| magnon | :) | 02:54 |
| ogra | guys, the DVD will have them all... no need for discussion ;) | 02:55 |
| magnon | ;) | 02:55 |
| magnon | ogra: our ancient servers dont have dvd-roms! | 02:55 |
| magnon | *sue canonical* | 02:55 |
| flint | how much are the language files in size? | 02:56 |
| magnon | we're obliged by federal law to use servers from the viking age to honor our ancestors | 02:56 |
| flint | zimmerman indicated that on the distro they were like 50 percent of the payload. | 02:56 |
| ogra | yup | 02:56 |
| magnon | also, axe training is obligatory from age 8 | 02:56 |
| flint | ah, federal law rears its ugly head again | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | it'll fit in the dvd for sure but with our current size, there were a few times that the cd got overcrowded | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | lang packs are huge | 02:57 |
| JaneW | sorry was lagged | 02:57 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, i just have set the limit to 700 MB and its still to small for ppc and amd64 | 02:57 |
| magnon | but to be honest | 02:57 |
| JaneW | sorry but we won;t actaully get any CDs or DVDs initially | 02:57 |
| flint | zimmerman whined about this lang pack size issue...a lot! | 02:57 |
| JaneW | we have not been given a budget | 02:57 |
| ogra | even with only 4 langpacks | 02:57 |
| JaneW | but we have to make sure they can d/l and be cut to CDs/DVDs | 02:57 |
| magnon | will edubuntu at this release be used by people who aren't already somewhat proficient? as it's somewhat clear it won't be polished... | 02:57 |
| JaneW | hi jsgotangco :/ | 02:58 |
| flint | the way out is that i386 is released on cd and amd and ppc are on dvd. | 02:58 |
| ogra | i'll think about splitting in a install and a lang CD, but the DVD will requre less work... | 02:58 |
| JaneW | magnon: lol | 02:58 |
| JaneW | TROLL | 02:58 |
| magnon | I'm trying to be realistic :p | 02:58 |
| ogra | flint, either all or none... i cant split up by arch | 02:58 |
| flint | we in DC love complicated unsatisfactory compromises... I see your point. | 02:58 |
| ogra | flint, but having a additional DVD for i386 wont do no harm | 02:59 |
| JaneW | flint: go it, it was a Mojito! | 03:00 |
| flint | dvd was an option that sbdafl embraces, I still want the floppy option. | 03:00 |
| ogra | flint i'll see what i can do... | 03:01 |
| JaneW | ogra: I think that makes sense for the laguage CD to be an extension | 03:01 |
| ogra | are you fine with a 600 floppy install ? | 03:01 |
| ogra | flint, ^^ ? | 03:01 |
| magnon | to continue on my trollinig, I'll have to be leaving this incredibly constructive meeting in a few minutes :P | 03:01 |
| JaneW | service the main languages on the first CD and the smaller langauages on the other, it will dramaticall reduce the number of second CDs required. | 03:01 |
| magnon | *trolling | 03:01 |
| flint | seriously, on the topic of floppy, we actually ended up trying to install breezy on a machine that had no bios boot for cd. Remember the old rawrite boot floppy? | 03:01 |
| JaneW | magnon: I meant a literal Norwegian troll btw ;) | 03:02 |
| magnon | hehe | 03:02 |
| flint | There is no troll like Norwegian troll... | 03:02 |
| magnon | flint: please, don't mention floppies | 03:02 |
| magnon | I hate them :( | 03:02 |
| flint | doesn't everyone, until they are the only option, then we find love in our hearts. | 03:03 |
| JaneW | flint: it's unlikley we'll ship a ~500 diskset in 5,25' floppy! | 03:03 |
| magnon | kids steal floppies | 03:03 |
| magnon | (true!) | 03:03 |
| flint | na i am whining about breezy needing that option for really funky machines. | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | err guys is this a meeting? | 03:03 |
| magnon | jsgotangco: up to several people are gathered here, speaking together, I'd say yes :) | 03:04 |
| ogra | JaneW, but you can do nifty marketing stuff with 500 floppys :) | 03:04 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: it was, but you weren't here to control us... | 03:04 |
| magnon | ogra: treasure hunt ^^ | 03:04 |
| flint | if ollie is getting an iso out the door, why slow him down? | 03:04 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: understandable since i'm difficult to begin with | 03:04 |
| JaneW | ok ogra you can go.. if you want to | 03:04 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: just slap me please | 03:04 |
| ogra | flint, you can neither speed up nor solw down ... i'm totally depenent on our scripts | 03:04 |
| flint | 500 floppies, we could do a mosaic, or a puzzle! | 03:05 |
| ogra | slow even | 03:05 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: and then cheer up, and don;t be cross with me anymore | 03:05 |
| JaneW | please | 03:05 |
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| JaneW | flint: frisbees! | 03:05 |
| flint | the old saying is "if you want it bad, you get it bad" let them run... | 03:05 |
| JaneW | flint: not hugely areodynamic though, but they fly ok, and take eyes out... | 03:06 |
| flint | staple them together for clothing or shelter. | 03:06 |
| flint | nasa likely will use them as a cost effective replacement for shuttle tiles... | 03:06 |
| ogra | you can ship them different colored and tie them together like apatchwork blanket | 03:06 |
| ogra | edubuntu quilt release :) | 03:06 |
| flint | guys i just mentioned the old boot floppy, am i a bad man? | 03:07 |
| ogra | flint, only in Kamions eyes (our installer god) | 03:07 |
| flint | sorry s/guys/guys and ladies/ | 03:07 |
| JaneW | flint: you know you are | 03:07 |
| JaneW | ok do we have anything else to discuss | 03:08 |
| JaneW | which is actually relevant? | 03:08 |
| flint | edubuntu class machines, being ltsp class beasts tend to have all the bangs and whistles including boot cds | 03:08 |
| JaneW | flint: and you can d/l and span-disk copy to floppy if you so chose... good luck | 03:09 |
| flint | the filter machines (code named "snow-whites" by me) are another story. | 03:09 |
| ogra | who here needs/uses emacs in his/her classroom ? | 03:09 |
| flint | those are for a future release... | 03:09 |
| magnon | ogra: I used to have it, but they would never run Linux | 03:09 |
| ogra | flint, do you know if elkner uses emacs for teaching ? | 03:09 |
| magnon | used for musical education | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | err don't remove emacs please.... | 03:10 |
| ogra | its huge... it would make amd64 installable | 03:10 |
| flint | he never uses it but, emacs is pretty flexable in size. | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | for the sake of free software zealotry.... | 03:10 |
| flint | xemacs is bigger than regular emacs | 03:10 |
| ogra | yup | 03:10 |
| magnon | what would free software be without zealots | 03:10 |
| magnon | emacs sucks, btw | 03:10 |
| magnon | :D | 03:10 |
| flint | rms would not be pleased if we did not pay him some homage | 03:11 |
| flint | word on that, but those that do are zealots. | 03:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok lets get the build built and we'll be green by monday? | 03:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: we must update BreezyGoals notes too | 03:11 |
| ogra | JaneW, we'll be green with the next build | 03:11 |
| === ogra crosses fingers | ||
| JaneW | today? | 03:11 |
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| magnon | umm... what about letting RMS write a short story and place it linked on the desktop by default | 03:12 |
| ogra | JaneW, foe i386 at least, yes | 03:12 |
| ogra | i'll call out todays CD as milesone release i think | 03:12 |
| JaneW | :) | 03:12 |
| flint | labor day in Amerika. Meaningless holiday since the unions have been busted by bush. | 03:12 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop | 03:12 |
| ogra | pick an alternative | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 03:13 |
| flint | is emacs ok or do you need xemacs? | 03:13 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, i need 50 MB for powerpc and 6 for amd64 | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | errr why is there bluez | 03:13 |
| ogra | flint, i'm a vi guy i dont need emacs at all.. | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | can bluez you don't need that on a server | 03:13 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, its in ubuntu-desktop its iherited from there | 03:13 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, i have both, servers and clients | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | arrghh | 03:14 |
| flint | ok lets not start all that again. :^) Anyway, you are a vim guy. | 03:14 |
| ogra | if you stumble about something obvious and big, tell me | 03:14 |
| flint | like i said the elkner and I will be installing whatever iso we find monday. | 03:15 |
| JaneW | ok, I must go fetch my boys | 03:15 |
| ogra | JaneW, have fun :) | 03:15 |
| magnon | I must go meet up with some friends that I almost forgot | 03:15 |
| magnon | *hugs* :D | 03:15 |
| flint | i swear he is daft. He will take your distro and go production with it. | 03:15 |
| magnon | I'll be back for uber testing on monday | 03:15 |
| flint | the boys are most important jane. | 03:15 |
| ogra | flint, i'll send an announcement to the ML if it i386 CD is done | 03:15 |
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| ogra | flint, it should be in a state where he can do that already... | 03:16 |
| flint | we will receive it, and download it courtesy of the Arlington OC-1. | 03:16 |
| flint | damn I love a plan! | 03:16 |
| flint | are we all out of here? I am. | 03:17 |
| ogra | :) | 03:17 |
| ogra | i'll watch the CD building ... | 03:17 |
| JaneW | magnon: deal | 03:17 |
| JaneW | see ya in a few | 03:17 |
| JaneW | *running now* | 03:17 |
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| flint | later. | 03:17 |
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