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[02:02] hi flint [02:02] yes ollie, I bring greetings from elkner who is actually working! [02:02] Hi jane! [02:02] yeah, we talked last night [02:02] (my night) [02:02] :) [02:02] no ollie, elkner whined at you and you were kind enough to listen.... [02:02] ok so where are we [02:03] what happened with kamion's build in the end? [02:03] JaneW, near our first completely working CD [02:03] define near...? [02:03] I like the completely working part... [02:03] that one failed, but we'll go on building until its in shape... i wont stop nagging him today ;) [02:03] good ;) [02:04] we are about to start another server install. The Idea is each server is the latest build. [02:04] we need to update the BreezyGoals page with progress [02:04] its the only missing bit, the apps should all be ready, artwork has to move to main to get on the CD but thats trivial [02:04] for Matt et al [02:04] yup, as soon as i can offer a Cd we'll move to green :) [02:04] great [02:05] so is the server side still a problem? [02:05] We were also beating up matt regarding inconsistencies in the install and live breezy builds. [02:05] thats good... [02:05] ha also urgently need ltsp feedback... [02:05] ...well it is even more complicated than that... [02:05] needs even [02:06] ogra: the main inclusion reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion [02:06] I see one server package was rejected [02:06] one still needs work [02:06] any issues with either of those? [02:06] mediawiki is dropped... i havent udate yet [02:06] updated [02:07] pitti didnt want it and mdz says we didnt make commitments at the summit, it was rather a survey in his eyes [02:07] oic... [02:07] I know a lot of ppl were *happy* at the prospect of it being in [02:07] and doesn;t moodle require it? [02:07] or am I confussed? [02:08] so mediawiki is out of discussion... unfortunately moin is very hard to install with the current package [02:08] moodle is standalone [02:08] oic, ok good [02:08] wikipedia requires mediawiki [02:08] so users have to install it from universe... [02:08] its there, just not in the default install [02:09] i had to cut down the sipped languages for now, else the Cd explodes... [02:10] shipped even [02:10] we currently have en, de, fr and es [02:10] sorry interrupted by crane company representative... [02:11] can we get moin in? [02:11] we'll have to have a wiki... [02:11] sabdfl won't approve it without ;) [02:11] ogra: wasn;t it wikipedia that needs media wiki? [02:11] if the CD turns out good, i'll see that we'll have a parallel DVD build... but i'd like to keep the CD [02:11] I am sure something needed it? or was it just our summit attendee's preference...? === magnon [n=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:11] [14:08] wikipedia requires mediawiki [02:12] you are going to love this... Implementation Plan: Phase 1 - Infrastructure, specifies in section 2,Web content filtering will be an essential component of Edubunt as a requirement. [02:13] ogra: es=? [02:13] In Amerika all classroom sites must maintain filtering capability, it is federal law. [02:14] JaneW, spanish [02:14] ok good, we need spanish :) [02:14] flint, i cant do anything about it... [02:14] Elkner asked me to ask about this. [02:14] flint, it has to wait until breezy+1 [02:14] so i asked... [02:14] i told him yesterday.- [02:14] and Matt told you on monday afair [02:15] or one day tis week at any rate [02:15] sorry to whine about this, but who is designing/building this part, and could a proto be available. [02:15] flint, i'll see if i can manage to get a default blacklist packaged [02:15] flint, thats me too, since nobody wanted the task [02:15] ollie, you is wonderful... [02:15] we simply had far too many 'essential' goals for breezy [02:15] I would _guess_ that if it's federal law to have filtering (never heard about that) - it would have some requirements to the filter? [02:16] which would be beyond a "default blacklist" [02:16] sure [02:16] which were impossible to complete in the given time with the resources available [02:16] If I have time, and do not run out of money I would like to collaborate. [02:16] but its more than we have now [02:16] flint: take a look at the deferred table on... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals [02:16] also, tuning a filter is an immense amount of work - I've had lots of problems with for isntance political information that students have needed, have been blocked out [02:17] flint: and those are thing we thought would be in - there's another list of things that were postponed upfront... [02:17] flint, you can currently install squid and squidguard from universe, all thats missing is a blacklist package... we'll have to work out a good default cofiguration for breezy+1 and probably a gui [02:17] Jane, the reason that sabdfl has you around is you husband his resources as if they were your own. [02:17] magnon: exactly, we have had lengthy debates about this [02:17] dansguardian is also out there. I am thinking a shell script... [02:17] flint: hey leave my husband out of this ;) [02:18] flint, dansguardian is a bit problematic with its distribution license afaik [02:18] dear, i am the one they call skinflint. [02:18] danguardian is license problematic, yes [02:18] dans* [02:18] thanks for the tip about dansguardian. [02:18] magnon: do you have anything in your installations? [02:19] flint, currently its not worse than a redhat system, i dont think their squidguard is configured by default... [02:19] next release will be a lot better wrt content filtering [02:19] also this requirement seems specific to the states... [02:19] I haven't been setting up anything but the firewall, my colleague has worked a lot with the filtering also when he worked at a school [02:20] it also seems quite hand-wavy...first section: http://www.ala.org/ala/pla/plapubs/technotes/internetfiltering.htm [02:20] but I think he used some dansguardian, as it was an on site installation [02:20] having a proxy is halpful in any country... if you switch on filtering is up to you ;) [02:20] they are always on a secondary box though [02:20] but lets keep on topic, we dont work on content filtering this release anymore [02:20] (except probably packaging a blacklist package for universe) [02:21] last comment - dans guardian has a weird exception, it is released under the gpl for noncommercial use - distributing that in edubuntu would be hard [02:21] ogra: yes good point [02:21] let's stay current for now [02:21] we'll discuss this again when we have a 'completely working CD' [02:21] good idea :) [02:21] magnon, why ? we dont sell edubuntu and dont plan to [02:21] yup [02:21] which should appear within the next 30min [02:22] magnon: no money will change hand, except possiblu for support or customisation never for the code === JaneW gets ready to pop the chanmpagne [02:22] JaneW, keep it on ice... [02:22] this takes time... i have to sync and test install it... [02:23] ogra: you like to keep us on the edge of our seats don't you ? ;) [02:23] heh [02:23] i cant speed it up, sorry... [02:24] get me a bigger line over here and i can test faster [02:24] ... but the build report should already say something... [02:25] just assume a worst case scenario already :) [02:25] ogra: move to a bigger town :P [02:25] *joke* [02:26] we will stand by and build/test with your latest this afternoon ollie. === JaneW keeps quiet (offended on person today already) [02:26] JaneW, i'll probably do soon [02:26] GF wants to buy a house... [02:26] s/on/one [02:26] JaneW, i doubt you offended him :) [02:26] he wanted to go drinking [02:26] I think I did [02:26] but maybe he was just looking for an excuse ;) [02:27] on the other hand I am very hurt :^) [02:27] anyway so are we assuming today;s CD is good or not? [02:27] because that will determine what to discuss next... [02:27] flint: I know you'll cope ;) [02:28] i do... i wont stop working on it with Kamion... so if he doesnt stop, it should be good to go today [02:28] zimmerman and elkner were conflicted on the installation documentation. elkner liked ollie [02:28] ok, so the CD will be good, what then? [02:28] what's required next? [02:28] mdz didnt like mine because it had an error in the beginning, but thats fixed long ago [02:28] testing? [02:28] yes the docs, why didn;t Matt like olis install notes? [02:28] getting the artwork on it ... [02:28] and then testing^infinity [02:29] ok, well then there shouldn't be a problem [02:29] ogra: ok, and do you have all the artwork you need? [02:29] I have been soliciting for more, but no luck so far [02:29] and my own attempt was pitiful [02:29] did you get any response from the badger guy? [02:29] yes once the CD is good TEST TEST TEST [02:30] magnon: no :(( [02:30] JaneW, edubuntu-artwork currently has a gdm theme, a wallpaper and splash... it sets the icon theme and gdm thme in the postinstall... thats all...i'll add other walpaper over time [02:30] ogra: ok [02:31] I mailed Sebastein Loss 4 times, to get some nice mascot stuff... but nothing yet. [02:31] I thought you mentioned that he was going away? [02:32] grmpf... [02:33] the CD is done... it would be good if not someone had made python-epydoc uninstallable ... argh [02:34] i dont even know what python-epydoc is .... grmbl [02:34] all hell is breaking out at my house!!! [02:36] fint: why? [02:37] ogra: problem? [02:37] JaneW, easy to work around with another rebuild.... but odd... [02:38] you would not believe it. I can sound the all clear now... [02:38] but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050902.2/report.html looks very good [02:38] (note that i'm concentrating on i386 only [02:38] ) [02:39] ogra: looking very good indeed === flint [n=flint@static-66-160-92-78.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:39] ajmitch, if i remove epydoc its a release :) [02:39] but i rather find out what breaky epydoc... [02:39] breaks even [02:40] ogra: will you look at the other builds once i386 is behaving ? [02:40] JaneW, sure... but most of this stuff will sort itself... [02:40] ora: good!? :P [02:40] powerpc is missing the fixes from kamion... [02:40] ogra: yes, strange, since py-epydoc installs ok here [02:40] many errors there are inherited from ubuntu... [02:41] they just dont show up there, because we have other default packages [02:41] breezy is at least installing... [02:42] what i mean is you do not have to install hoary and upgrade any more. [02:44] Jane, on another topic, what is the edubuntu mafia doing in Montreal? [02:45] flint: drinking prolly ;) [02:46] smoking too === ajmitch puts his name down for Montreal :) [02:46] ;) [02:46] ...what was that Argintenian drink? I was thinking that with mcquillin and everyone there we (or maybe you) should think agenda. :^) [02:47] or am i jumping the gun? [02:47] JaneW, Kamion means the CD (i386 at least) is good with the next build... i wouldnt start premature champaign orgys, but it looks like we'll be partially green this evening [02:47] powerpc and amd64 have a size problem [02:48] how bad a size problem? [02:48] ogra: amd64 is about 6MB over; powerpc is about 50MB over; i386 fits [02:48] amd64 should be easy... i'll find something to drop... [02:49] powerpc hasnt the installer fixes yet... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-112.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:49] so that might change [02:49] jsgotangco, hey, how was thebeer [02:49] 50 megs is pessimistically 10 percent... [02:49] salut [02:49] its raining so hard i wasn't able to go out at all [02:49] flint, as i said, there are fixes in the installaer part mising, Kamion didnt do the yaboot update yet [02:49] i had to be content with the cheap wine given to me 3 days ago [02:50] does Edubuntu nescessarily have to hold the 1-cd limit? [02:50] flint, so the 50MB might actually be smaller [02:50] or is the discussion about Breezy in general [02:50] ideally, but not necessarily [02:50] the deal at the conference was that we could consider DVD. Over to you Jane. [02:50] magnon, we are going for a DVD anyway... but i'd like to keep the CD around [02:50] well, going for a dvd wouldnt get you slaughtered for making a double cd set [02:51] I am still trying to get over it not fitting on a floppy :^) [02:51] worst case i'll cut the CD down to english only with a language install optin over network [02:51] at least not for Edubuntu, as for me that would be considered an "addon" with extra software === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:51] ogra: may I suggest you include languages we know will be used a lot in countries that might not have very good inet access? :) [02:51] flint, just develop a new and shiny copression algorhitm ;) [02:52] ...a 5.25" floppy! Ollie, is there any magic compression that does character sets really well? [02:52] magnon, we'll have *all* 90 langs on the DVD [02:52] and then scrap things like german, swedish, danish on the cd [02:52] scrap german *gasp* [02:52] harsh! [02:52] flint, i doubt it, thats why i said develop one ;) [02:52] jsgotangco: you can download it :) [02:53] as they say in german "crap" [02:53] tell that to the german who is developing it right now [02:53] :O [02:53] magnon, i just ct down the langs anyway... we currently ship only en, de, fr and es [02:53] jsgotangco: Norwegian isn't in the CD distro, but I'd be all for scrapping it if you included portuguese and spanish etc. [02:53] no the internationalization is a foundation of this org. [02:53] s7ct/cut/ [02:53] loose applications rather than language capability. [02:54] wait...why not esperanto? [02:54] because noone talks esperanto? :) [02:54] pardon, but I like being ignorant from time to time [02:54] magnon: that's why it's needed in schools 8) [02:54] :) [02:55] guys, the DVD will have them all... no need for discussion ;) [02:55] ;) [02:55] ogra: our ancient servers dont have dvd-roms! [02:55] *sue canonical* [02:56] how much are the language files in size? [02:56] we're obliged by federal law to use servers from the viking age to honor our ancestors [02:56] zimmerman indicated that on the distro they were like 50 percent of the payload. [02:56] yup [02:56] also, axe training is obligatory from age 8 [02:56] ah, federal law rears its ugly head again [02:56] it'll fit in the dvd for sure but with our current size, there were a few times that the cd got overcrowded [02:57] lang packs are huge [02:57] sorry was lagged [02:57] jsgotangco, i just have set the limit to 700 MB and its still to small for ppc and amd64 [02:57] but to be honest [02:57] sorry but we won;t actaully get any CDs or DVDs initially [02:57] zimmerman whined about this lang pack size issue...a lot! [02:57] we have not been given a budget [02:57] even with only 4 langpacks [02:57] but we have to make sure they can d/l and be cut to CDs/DVDs [02:57] will edubuntu at this release be used by people who aren't already somewhat proficient? as it's somewhat clear it won't be polished... [02:58] hi jsgotangco :/ [02:58] the way out is that i386 is released on cd and amd and ppc are on dvd. [02:58] i'll think about splitting in a install and a lang CD, but the DVD will requre less work... [02:58] magnon: lol [02:58] TROLL [02:58] I'm trying to be realistic :p [02:58] flint, either all or none... i cant split up by arch [02:58] we in DC love complicated unsatisfactory compromises... I see your point. [02:59] flint, but having a additional DVD for i386 wont do no harm [03:00] flint: go it, it was a Mojito! [03:00] dvd was an option that sbdafl embraces, I still want the floppy option. [03:01] flint i'll see what i can do... [03:01] ogra: I think that makes sense for the laguage CD to be an extension [03:01] are you fine with a 600 floppy install ? [03:01] flint, ^^ ? [03:01] to continue on my trollinig, I'll have to be leaving this incredibly constructive meeting in a few minutes :P [03:01] service the main languages on the first CD and the smaller langauages on the other, it will dramaticall reduce the number of second CDs required. [03:01] *trolling [03:01] seriously, on the topic of floppy, we actually ended up trying to install breezy on a machine that had no bios boot for cd. Remember the old rawrite boot floppy? [03:02] magnon: I meant a literal Norwegian troll btw ;) [03:02] hehe [03:02] There is no troll like Norwegian troll... [03:02] flint: please, don't mention floppies [03:02] I hate them :( [03:03] doesn't everyone, until they are the only option, then we find love in our hearts. [03:03] flint: it's unlikley we'll ship a ~500 diskset in 5,25' floppy! [03:03] kids steal floppies [03:03] (true!) [03:03] na i am whining about breezy needing that option for really funky machines. [03:03] err guys is this a meeting? [03:04] jsgotangco: up to several people are gathered here, speaking together, I'd say yes :) [03:04] JaneW, but you can do nifty marketing stuff with 500 floppys :) [03:04] jsgotangco: it was, but you weren't here to control us... [03:04] ogra: treasure hunt ^^ [03:04] if ollie is getting an iso out the door, why slow him down? [03:04] yeah [03:04] JaneW: understandable since i'm difficult to begin with [03:04] ok ogra you can go.. if you want to [03:04] jsgotangco: just slap me please [03:04] flint, you can neither speed up nor solw down ... i'm totally depenent on our scripts [03:05] 500 floppies, we could do a mosaic, or a puzzle! [03:05] slow even [03:05] jsgotangco: and then cheer up, and don;t be cross with me anymore [03:05] please === jsgotangco evil grin [03:05] flint: frisbees! [03:05] the old saying is "if you want it bad, you get it bad" let them run... [03:06] flint: not hugely areodynamic though, but they fly ok, and take eyes out... [03:06] staple them together for clothing or shelter. [03:06] nasa likely will use them as a cost effective replacement for shuttle tiles... [03:06] you can ship them different colored and tie them together like apatchwork blanket [03:06] edubuntu quilt release :) [03:07] guys i just mentioned the old boot floppy, am i a bad man? [03:07] flint, only in Kamions eyes (our installer god) [03:07] sorry s/guys/guys and ladies/ [03:07] flint: you know you are [03:08] ok do we have anything else to discuss [03:08] which is actually relevant? [03:08] edubuntu class machines, being ltsp class beasts tend to have all the bangs and whistles including boot cds [03:09] flint: and you can d/l and span-disk copy to floppy if you so chose... good luck [03:09] the filter machines (code named "snow-whites" by me) are another story. [03:09] who here needs/uses emacs in his/her classroom ? [03:09] those are for a future release... [03:09] ogra: I used to have it, but they would never run Linux [03:09] flint, do you know if elkner uses emacs for teaching ? [03:09] used for musical education [03:10] err don't remove emacs please.... [03:10] its huge... it would make amd64 installable [03:10] he never uses it but, emacs is pretty flexable in size. [03:10] for the sake of free software zealotry.... [03:10] xemacs is bigger than regular emacs [03:10] yup [03:10] what would free software be without zealots [03:10] emacs sucks, btw [03:10] :D [03:11] rms would not be pleased if we did not pay him some homage [03:11] word on that, but those that do are zealots. [03:11] ogra: ok lets get the build built and we'll be green by monday? [03:11] ogra: we must update BreezyGoals notes too [03:11] JaneW, we'll be green with the next build === ogra crosses fingers [03:11] today? === jsgotangco insists on emacs [03:12] umm... what about letting RMS write a short story and place it linked on the desktop by default [03:12] JaneW, foe i386 at least, yes [03:12] i'll call out todays CD as milesone release i think [03:12] :) [03:12] labor day in Amerika. Meaningless holiday since the unions have been busted by bush. [03:12] jsgotangco, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop [03:13] pick an alternative [03:13] ahh [03:13] is emacs ok or do you need xemacs? [03:13] jsgotangco, i need 50 MB for powerpc and 6 for amd64 [03:13] errr why is there bluez [03:13] flint, i'm a vi guy i dont need emacs at all.. [03:13] can bluez you don't need that on a server [03:13] jsgotangco, its in ubuntu-desktop its iherited from there [03:14] jsgotangco, i have both, servers and clients [03:14] arrghh [03:14] ok lets not start all that again. :^) Anyway, you are a vim guy. [03:14] if you stumble about something obvious and big, tell me [03:15] like i said the elkner and I will be installing whatever iso we find monday. [03:15] ok, I must go fetch my boys [03:15] JaneW, have fun :) [03:15] I must go meet up with some friends that I almost forgot [03:15] *hugs* :D [03:15] i swear he is daft. He will take your distro and go production with it. [03:15] I'll be back for uber testing on monday [03:15] the boys are most important jane. [03:15] flint, i'll send an announcement to the ML if it i386 CD is done === magnon [n=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [03:16] flint, it should be in a state where he can do that already... [03:16] we will receive it, and download it courtesy of the Arlington OC-1. [03:16] damn I love a plan! [03:17] are we all out of here? I am. [03:17] :) [03:17] i'll watch the CD building ... 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