[01:16] <tseng_> hi ogra
[01:16] <ogra> hey
[01:16] <tseng_> how are you
[01:16] <ogra> better now... i had DSL probs all the day...
[01:16] <tseng_> :(
[01:17] <ogra> quite odd, one dey before preview freeze... was no fun to move the xscreensaver source from and to the net
[01:17] <tseng_> it looks nice
[01:17] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:17] <tseng_> who is everyone?
[01:17] <ogra> its a UDU photo :)
[01:17] <tseng_> there are some heads with no faces
[01:18] <tseng_> i see jeff, rob, charles
[01:18] <ogra> jdub, bob2, mvo chmj and i think lying is jordi, but i'm not sure
[01:18] <tseng_> maybe mvo
[01:18] <tseng_> ooh im good
[01:18] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[01:19] <ogra> yeah
[01:19] <ogra> i have to dig... lets see how f-spot behaves today ;)
[01:19] <tseng_> speaking of f-spot..
[01:19] <ajmitch> ogra: well if elmo had synced it..
[01:19] <ajmitch> yes, I know he's busy :)
[01:21] <ajmitch> tseng_: if you want to ask him again, feel free
[01:21] <ajmitch> he might not appreciate my pestering :)
[01:23] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/020505%20059.jpg
[01:23] <ogra> even lamont is on it ...
[01:24] <tseng_> ah mako and lamont
[01:24] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:24] <tseng_> and janes feet
[01:24] <marcin_ant> I got a question
[01:24] <tseng_> someone is on mvo
[01:24] <marcin_ant> I would like to prepare some packages
[01:24] <lamont> ogra: I'm on that?
[01:24] <tseng_> dafyd?
[01:24] <marcin_ant> but with a little different names than original names
[01:24] <tseng_> lamont: you';re behind rob
[01:24] <ogra> lamont, behind bob2
[01:25] <lamont> yeah - guess so - don't remember doing it...
[01:25] <lamont> that's mark we're squishing?
[01:25] <ajmitch> jdub looks rather demonic
[01:25] <ogra> might be, i cant remember...
[01:25] <tseng_> someone else is on jeffs lap
[01:25] <tseng_> thom?
[01:25] <marcin_ant> and I would like to ask how to do this?
[01:25] <tseng_> and jeff has a hand on his crotch
[01:26] <lamont> that's kamion, and jdub is definitely demonic
[01:26] <ogra> i really cant remember, but obviously doko has pic from another perspective
[01:26] <mbreit> marcin_ant: i don't understand your exact problem...
[01:26] <marcin_ant> for example I got original sources in emacs-21.3.tar.gz and would like to create emacs21-21.3 package
[01:26] <tseng_> demonic and gay
[01:27] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: ok, is there a good reason for this?
[01:27] <ogra> hehe
[01:27] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, well yes
[01:27] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, while there is no support for 'slots' like in gentoo
[01:28] <tseng_> slots in gentoo are the same as version-named packages in effect
[01:28] <mbreit> marcin_ant: have you read the debian new maintainer's guide?
[01:28] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, then if I want to use more than one version of package at the time than I need to do something like this
[01:28] <marcin_ant> mbreit, yes
[01:29] <mbreit> marcin_ant: you can set the name of the binary packages in debian/control... but all that is explaned in the debian new maintainer's guide...
[01:30] <marcin_ant> mbreit, well I know that I can set the name in debian/control
[01:30] <marcin_ant> mbreit, but it's not my point
[01:31] <mbreit> marcin_ant: so what is your point?
[01:32] <marcin_ant> mbreit, if I gor package with sources let's say emacs-21.3.tar.gz then these sources unpacks to /emacs-21.3
[01:32] <mbreit> marcin_ant: so you want to change the source package's name?
[01:33] <marcin_ant> mbreit, yes
[01:34] <marcin_ant> I just want to create emacs21 package but my sources goes to emacs-21.x directory
[01:34] <ajmitch> where the tarball unpacks to isn't really relevant, as it works with just abotu any directory name
[01:35] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, hmmm
[01:36] <ajmitch> some packaging scripts might have something hardcoded, but I've seen some odd naming
[01:37] <marcin_ant> well I though that if I want to have for example emacs21 package than I should unpack my sources file and rename directory with sources to emacs21
[02:50] <bddebian> So where does Transitions stand?
[02:50] <bddebian> s/does/do/
[03:02] <jbailey> In the corner, facing the wall.
[03:02] <jbailey> It's been *bad*
[03:04] <bddebian> Bah, heya jbailey :-)
[03:27] <bddebian> ZZZZzzz
[03:32] <bddebian> Where the heck is everybody
[03:33] <ajmitch> away
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, wanna do some uploads? :-)
[03:34] <ajmitch> hm
[03:35] <ajmitch> maybe :)
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Also, wtf do I do about packages that are missing deps or build-deps from the archive now that we are frozen?
[03:36] <ajmitch> we're not frozen
[03:36] <bddebian> We arent?
[03:36] <ajmitch> if things were frozen, then we'd have nothing to do
[03:37] <bddebian> Well UVF I mean
[03:37] <ajmitch> just what sort of deps & build-deps are you talking about?
[03:37] <bddebian> yaprimaxgui deps pxscan which isn't in multiverse (which is funny because yaprimaxgui is in universe)
[03:37] <bddebian> libtagcoll1
[03:37] <bddebian> libdebtags1
[03:38] <ajmitch> debtags might be an exception
[03:39] <ajmitch> yaprimaxgui & pxscan are things that probably noone cares about
[03:39] <ajmitch> since they were pulled form apt-get.org
[03:41] <bddebian> Oh so I am doing worthless work as always?
[03:41] <ajmitch> no
[03:43] <tseng_> moo..
[03:47] <bddebian> baa
[03:47] <bddebian> Ahh, tseng_ can upload for me
[03:47] <ajmitch> and I can't now?
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: You said maybe :-)
[03:49] <bddebian> jbailey: See what I have to put up with :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> mm, a black screen on booting the hoary live cd, very promising
[03:50] <bddebian> Ugh
[04:01] <bddebian> Fuck, now xgsmlib FTBFSs
[04:01] <tseng_> i had the same ajmitch
[04:01] <tseng_> breezy was rad
[04:04] <jbailey> bddebian: abuse from all sides.
[04:04] <jbailey> bddebian: But you love us for it. =)
[04:04] <bddebian> Heh
[04:04] <bddebian> jbailey: Do you have a sec for a /query or you busy as usual?
[04:05] <jbailey> Is it more obscure c++ stuff?
[04:05] <jbailey> I'm putting together a documentation package right now, so I'm busy but I have some brain space.
[04:05] <bddebian> Well I have that too but I won't bug ya with that
[04:05] <ajmitch> tseng_: I don't have the breezy live cd with me at the moment
[04:05] <ajmitch> and it's currently rsyncing
[04:07] <bddebian> Anyone have ppc and/or amd64 handy?
[04:07] <ajmitch> ppc, but not for a few hours
[04:10] <bddebian> Well the build logs say it build so I guess I'll remove xxdiff from my list
[04:23] <bddebian> Where should /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h come from?
[04:25] <bddebian> Either that or lesstiff2-dev has issues
[04:35] <desrt> universe isn't frozen until the last minute, right?
[04:37] <ajmitch> desrt: it's under a sort of freeze
[04:37] <ajmitch> no new upstream versions except for serious cases
[04:37] <desrt> well, UVF against auto-merges, right?
[04:37] <ajmitch> most likely no NEW packages
[04:37] <desrt> hmm.
[04:37] <ajmitch> and by-hand merges
[04:37] <desrt> i just need to know what to tell the ghc guys
[04:38] <desrt> like "please release by ____"
[04:38] <ajmitch> desrt: ghc is broken, so we make exceptions for it
[04:38] <desrt> up to the last minute?
[04:38] <ajmitch> but remember that we need to fix up all the packages that depend on ghc
[04:38] <desrt> oh.  true true
[04:38] <ajmitch> preferably last month :P
[04:38] <desrt> heh.
[04:39] <bddebian> What about something like xastir?  We have 1.4.1 and Debian has 1.6.0?
[04:39] <desrt> my friend and i are ghc platform maintatiners... but i'm fairly inactive :P
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: got any good reason to update to 1.6.0?
[04:41] <bddebian> FTBFS?
[04:42] <ajmitch> FTBFS that can't be simply patched with 1.4.1?
[04:42] <ajmitch> a patch such as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288697 ?
[04:42] <bddebian> Dunno, that's the one I was asking about /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h earlier
[04:42] <ajmitch> that's another matter, then
[04:43] <ajmitch> since 1.6.0 would probably FTBFS for the same reason
[04:43] <bddebian> Well it must not on Debian :-)
[04:43] <ajmitch> that's because debian's x.org structure is different
[04:43] <ajmitch> ie, not split up
[04:44] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:45] <bddebian> Well it's another one that I don't know how to fix :-(
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: looks simple enough, just building here & I'll upload
[04:50] <desrt> when is breezy final?
[04:51] <ajmitch> desrt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[04:51] <desrt> perfect
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Would you mind telling me what it is/was?
[04:51] <desrt> wow
[04:51] <desrt> i've been searching for this page for months
[04:51] <desrt> thanks :D
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: libxp-dev buil-dep
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: How did you figure that out?
[04:55] <ajmitch> yay, now I get a different FTBFS with it
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm psychic
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Come on man, I'm trying to learn here
[04:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: I knew about libxp
[05:00] <bddebian> I don't like you. :-)
[05:00] <ajmitch> I know
[05:01] <bddebian> Damnit, torcs still can't find libm
[05:06] <bddebian> tritium!!!
[05:06] <tritium> hey bddebian :)
[05:07] <bddebian> How's life?
[05:08] <tritium> crazy busy.  You?
[05:08] <bddebian> Same ol'
[05:11] <ajmitch> hi tritium
[05:12] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[05:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK Mr. SmartyPants, why can't torcs find sin in libm when objdump -T /usr/lib/libm.so yields sin ?
[05:13] <bddebian> :-)
[05:14] <ajmitch> because you broke it, of course
[05:15] <ajmitch> because you love it
[05:15] <ajmitch> I'm just waiting for torcs to build now
[05:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: what changes have you made to torcs?
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: None except for the debian dropped stuff
[05:18] <bddebian> I even tried the Debian package
[05:18] <ajmitch> ok, so you're trying to merge, rather than building the source in the archive?
[05:18] <bddebian> Yep, sorry
[05:18] <ajmitch> right, because the source in archive works fine
[05:19] <bddebian> Doesn't it have an unmet build dep on plib1.3?
[05:19] <ajmitch> built ok in pbuilder for me
[05:19] <ajmitch> 1.2.2-5ubuntu4
[05:20] <bddebian> Aye, I just saw that
[05:20] <bddebian> This is 1.2.3-2
[05:20] <ajmitch> so it's a configure test that fails?
[05:21] <bddebian> Yes
[05:21] <bddebian> What's your version of libc6?
[05:21] <ajmitch> 2.3.5-1ubuntu10
[05:21] <ajmitch> everything of mine should be up to date
[05:22] <ajmitch> let me test the debian package
[05:22] <bddebian> Hmm, I only get 2.3.5-1ubuntu1
[05:22] <ajmitch> antique
[05:22] <bddebian> But it doesn't upgrade??
[05:22] <ajmitch> -1ubuntu1 is from may
[05:23] <ajmitch> building 1.2.3 now..
[05:24] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, nm.  dpkg -l is dropping the 0 from ubuntu10 :-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> pbuilder is great...
[05:25] <ajmitch> checking for sin in -lm... no
[05:25] <ajmitch> configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to torcs-users@lists.sourceforge.net with the subject "torcs compilation problem"
[05:25] <ajmitch> great, so there was some change from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3
[05:25] <bddebian> It builds fine on my etch machine though
[05:26] <ajmitch> 1337
[05:27] <bddebian> ?
[05:31] <bddebian> WTF is ac_check_lib_save_LIBS ?
[05:33] <ajmitch> dunno, look it up
[05:33] <ajmitch> fun
[05:33] <ajmitch> checking for plib/ssg.h... yes
[05:33] <ajmitch> checking for sin in -lm... yes
[05:34] <bddebian> ??
[05:36] <bddebian> You fixed that already too?
[05:36] <ajmitch> nope
[05:36] <bddebian> So what is that output from?
[05:36] <ajmitch> torcs
[05:37] <ajmitch> you should be
[05:37] <ajmitch> I know I am
[05:37] <ajmitch> ah, it passed configure this time round
[05:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: I think something might be a bit crackful here, I might take a look at it in a ouple of hours when I have time
[05:44] <bddebian> No problem I'm probably gonna head for bed anyhow
[05:44] <bddebian> And maybe just quit (again) :-)
[05:44] <ajmitch> ok
[05:44] <ajmitch> for the 3rd time this week ;)
[05:45] <bddebian> Aye.  I'm not bringing much to the table
[05:51] <crimsun> ah, the infamous -lm issue
[05:51] <crimsun> I've witnessed it five times myself on my amd64 pbuilder
[05:51] <bddebian> It is known?
[05:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: yep, and it showed up for a couple of builds, but not for subsequent builds
[05:51] <crimsun> ./configure will bail four out of five times
[05:51] <crimsun> mysteriously it will succeed on the fifth
[05:52] <ajmitch> that's great to know
[05:52] <ajmitch> jbailey: you seen this bug at all?
[06:04] <bddebian> Well gnight gentlemen
[06:04] <tritium> good night bddebian
[06:05] <ajmitch> night
[06:09] <jbailey> ajmitch: Which one is that?
[06:09] <jbailey> Can you reproduce it locally, or only on the buildds?
[06:09] <ajmitch> jbailey: locally, sometimes
[06:10] <jbailey> One of the hacks I've been thinking of for breezy+1 is dumping the config.log to stdout on failure.
[06:10] <jbailey> The config.log should have something useful in it.
[06:10] <ajmitch> configure not finding libm
[06:10] <ajmitch> it should :)
[06:10] <crimsun> yeah, that's the only useful thing I ever found in it
[06:11] <jbailey> Not finding *libm*?
[06:11] <ajmitch> sigh, it worked this time
[06:11] <ajmitch> yes
[06:11] <jbailey> Oy.
[06:11] <ajmitch> as crimsun said, it fails sometimes, but not all
[06:11] <jbailey> Are youusing execshield or anything like that which randomises address space?
[06:11] <ajmitch> stock breezy 2.6.12-6
[06:12] <ajmitch> I don't think ASLR patches are in, though some *may* have been
[06:12] <crimsun> and my amd64 pbuilder is using hoary's 2.6.10 (security errata)
[08:46] <pef> morning
[08:58] <siretart> moin pef
[09:00] <pef> siretart: hi. Some packages remaining for GLtransition are big (>=20Mb) I hope Motus have high speed links
[09:04] <siretart> pef: I hope you created .debdiffs ;)
[09:06] <pef> siretart: how to mention in changelog a changed dependency because a package changed its name ? (like libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2 )
[09:07] <siretart> changed dependency because  package libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2
[09:07] <siretart> I think that makes clear what and why you did a change. thats the purpose of th changeliog
[09:11] <pef> yes, short and efficient :)
[09:17] <pef> siretart: for theses kinds of changes (changed dependency, gl transtion) should I increment the version number (ubuntux+1) or just add ubuntuxbuild1 ?
[09:18] <siretart> pef: that depends on the package
[09:19] <pef> siretart: poker3d
[09:19] <siretart> pef: if you change any file other than debian/changelog, then you modified the package, and you would not want that debian syncs over your changes
[09:20] <siretart> pef: so you would want to add the 'ubuntu' suffix to prohibit automatic syncs from debian
[09:20] <siretart> pef: if you just need a rebuild, then a 'buildX' suffix is sufficient
[09:20] <pef> siretart: it already has ubuntu suffix, and I only change dependencies
[09:21] <siretart> then you need to maintain it, and just increment the last number
[09:25] <pef> siretart: thank you very much !
[09:26] <siretart> pef: you're welcome
[09:57] <pef> siretart: the changes I made will be send to Debian ?
[10:07] <siretart> pef: no. If you fixed something, please file a bug in the debian bts yourself, if you thing it should be incorporated in the debian package, too
[10:10] <pef> ok :)
[10:13] <siretart> think, even..
[10:19] <pef> not present into debian repository, so it's not a problem
[10:22] <thesaltydog> due to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312075 I am no more able to use anjuta in breezy. There is a source patch available. Is it going to be included in Breezy soon?
[10:25] <pef> thesaltydog: if it's a critical bug I think yes
[10:27] <thesaltydog> pef, I cannot use anjuta anymore. I should switch back to hoary.
[10:27] <thesaltydog> pef who is in charge of anjuta for breezy?
[10:47] <siretart> thesaltydog: is there a malone bug for anjuta? if not, please file one and assign to MOTU
[10:48] <thesaltydog> siretart, I have just filed. Whom I have to assign it?
[10:49] <siretart> thesaltydog: bugnr?
[10:50] <ajmitch> setting it critical with priority high isn't exactly right - it doesn't cause the system to crash & burn
[10:50] <thesaltydog> siretart, 2035
[10:50] <ajmitch> siretart: same thing, just needs a sync, I think we may have asked elmo for one in the past but it slipped off the screen
[10:55] <siretart> ajmitch: may I quote you in the bugreport?
[11:00] <siretart> ok. now using all features malone gives us :)
[11:02] <thesaltydog> siretart, thank you reinhard. This Malone system looks very efficient..
[11:03] <siretart> no matter
[11:17] <StrikeForce> Can someone archive bittorrent and bittornado since they have been done
[11:20] <pef> StrikeForce: add a comment ?
[11:20] <StrikeForce> ok no worries
[12:18] <pef> what's the best way to generate a .debdiff ? using debdiff ou diff -Nru ?
[12:18] <ajmitch> debdiff pkg1.dsc pkg2.dsc
[12:21] <pef> ajmitch: thanks !
[12:22] <pef> ajmitch: I've tested every option but this :] 
[12:22] <Kamion> can somebody poke j^ to create a bugzilla account next time he's around, please?
[12:22] <ajmitch> sure
[12:22] <Kamion> I want to make him the default network-manager assignee
[12:23] <ajmitch> yep, reading #u-devel
[12:24] <tseng_> will try to remember
[12:39] <herzi> ogra: ping
[12:40] <herzi> someone please take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[12:41] <pef> siretart: does it seems ok for you ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:47] <siretart> pef: I get a 'connection' refused from your webserver
[01:01] <pef> have you access to http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[01:05] <rbelem> morning people
[01:07] <pef> rbelem: hello
[01:08] <rbelem> hello pef how's going?
[01:09] <pef> rbelem: fine, as usual :) and you ?
[01:10] <rbelem> pef: fine but little bit sick and too headache
[01:11] <rbelem> pef: i'm without glass :-/
[01:13] <pef> rbelem: ouch, maybe a little sleep will solve that
[01:14] <rbelem> pef: eheheehe thats true
[01:15] <rbelem> pef: i'll sleep a bit more
[01:16] <pef> :p
[01:17] <rbelem-zzz> pef: thx pef ;-)
[01:18] <pef> rbelem-zzz: every problem has a solution :D
[01:28] <pef> ccache as a depends, should be a recommends, no ?
[01:29] <Nafallo> pef: context?
[01:30] <pef> Nafallo: package poker3d, ccache is set as a depends
[01:32] <Nafallo> pef: isn't here
[01:32] <Nafallo> pef: or rather... why didn't you say build-dep?
[01:33] <Nafallo> ccache probably shouldn't be there at all indeed
[01:33] <pef> Nafallo: should I delete it ? I find this strange
[01:34] <Nafallo> pef: yes. that's clearly out of order :-).
[01:35] <pef> Nafallo: *-Depends must be as tiny as possible, right ?
[01:35] <Nafallo> well, yes. it should build the package, and that's all :-)
[01:36] <pef> Nafallo: ok, thanks !
[01:36] <Nafallo> np
[01:36] <ajmitch> the developer probably wanted to pull it in for his pbuilder ;)
[01:37] <pef> ajmitch: it's a home made package
[01:37] <ajmitch> pef: home made?
[01:38] <pef> ajmitch: made by the upstream author
[01:38] <ajmitch> right
[01:38] <pef> Nafallo: ccache is used by somes targets in debian/rules, should I clean up this too ?
[01:38] <ajmitch> so he probably built it 20 times or so to get the packaging right
[01:38] <Nafallo> pef: yes
[01:40] <pef> Nafallo: do you think distcc can work with pbuilder ?
[01:41] <Nafallo> pef: can't see why it shouldn't :-)
[01:41] <ajmitch> I'm sure that some people have it going
[01:41] <ajmitch> you can always use pbuilder hooks to setup distcc appropriately
[01:41] <pef> ajmitch: like Jridell with his qt/kde stuff I presume
[01:42] <ajmitch> possibly
[01:47] <pef> can you please check the lasth changelog entry for language correction ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/changelog.txt
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <pef> bddebian: hi :)
[03:29] <pef> is it possible to delete a package from universe if the author upstream request it ?
[03:32] <ogra> err, why does he request that ?
[03:32] <ogra> i mean, didnt he/she offer it under GPL ?
[03:33] <pef> ogra: he is preparing a brand new version, and the current version is too old for him
[03:33] <pef> ogra: he already remove the package from debian
[03:33] <ogra> what is it ?
[03:34] <pef> poker3d
[03:35] <ogra> uh, thats an odd package...
[03:35] <ogra> i had aready to fix it once...
[03:36] <pef> ogra: i'm currently doing the gltransition on it
[03:36] <pef> if remove from archive, it's not very usefull :)
[03:36] <ogra> but it has tons of dependencys ... does the current version work ?
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya pef
[03:37] <pef> ogra: I'm fixing openscengraph, a dependency, it's a big c++ source, and take a long time to compile
[03:37] <bddebian> Hmm, I have that on my unmetdeps list too
[03:37] <ogra> does the current version of poker3d in the archive work or not ?
[03:38] <bddebian> ogra: No
[03:38] <pef> ogra: broken dependenies, not installable
[03:39] <ogra> ah, ok.. then go ahead and sync the new version... as long as the package name stays the same it will be overruled...
[03:39] <ogra> so there should be no need to wipe it
[03:39] <ogra> if the name doesnt stay, a Replaces: should suffice
[03:40] <pef> ogra: upstream author working on new version, not currently available
[03:40] <pef> and don't know if available before breezy release :/
[03:40] <ogra> if thats there, sync it... is there an ETA ?
[03:40] <ogra> hmm, k
[03:40] <pef> ogra: no, will ask to the author
[03:41] <bddebian> might as well remove yaprimaxgui too unless someone brings in pxscan to multiverse
[03:41] <ogra> why remove them... leave them around as source until we get something better...
[03:42] <bddebian> ogra: Well I dunno but yaprimaxgui is in universe but depends on pxscan from multiverse.  Isn't that wrong.
[03:43] <pef> ogra: I just ask if it is technically possible, if the author requests like for Debian ;)
[03:43] <ogra> it is... and should get sorted
[03:43] <ogra> pef, it is... but why should we... if someone wants to play with the source its nice to have it available... even if its ftbfs
[03:44] <pef> ogra: ok, so I do the gltransition to makes the package installable, and tell the author to contact me when new version available ?
[03:44] <ogra> yup
[03:45] <ogra> if its in time for breezy and the package is better quality, i'm all for having a last minute sync
[03:45] <pef> ok, nice !
[03:46] <bddebian> ogra: Good, how about bringing in ezmlm too then :-)
[03:46] <ogra> lets get rid of the odd packages ;)
[03:46] <bddebian> Oh and debtags
[03:46] <ogra> bddebian, how about a list with such candidates that we review in the end...
[03:46] <bddebian> and libtagcoll1
[03:47] <herzi> ogra: can you take a quick look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: You awake?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> doubt that
[03:52] <bddebian> \sh!!!
[03:52] <\sh> that was fast
[03:52] <\sh> morning gentlemen :)
[03:53] <\sh> I just came home :)
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how ya been?
[03:56] <bddebian> ogra: Review at the end of what?
[03:59] <\sh> bddebian: fine fine :) training course with certificate..now I can break Junipers ,-) and now I'm preparing to visit dholbach and meet treenaks in berlin
[03:59] <bddebian> Cool
[03:59] <bddebian> Slap dholbach for me ;-)
[04:00] <\sh> the plan is: going out for some beer with some working buddies in cologne....staying there until 4 o'clock (thats 2:00 UTC) and then taking the ICE train at 4:24 (2:24 UTC) from cologne to berlin..and reaching berlin at 9:03 (7:03 UTC)
[04:01] <\sh> so..during the journey to berlin i have a couple of hours of sleep :)
[04:02] <bddebian> :)
[04:02] <\sh> around 14:00 or 15:00 (12:00/13:00 UTC) treenaks will reach berlin as well..and after that we will meet somewhere...doing the natural key signing thing and have some beer in berlin
[04:03] <\sh> and sunday in the evening or monday morning I will go back home ;)
[04:05] <\sh> that is the plan...I mean it is _the_plan_ ,-)
[04:05] <lamont-away> is preview-freeze affecting universe?
[04:05] <ogra> bddebian, at the end of the release cycle...
[04:06] <ogra> bddebian, a week or two before release
[04:13] <\sh> ok...leaving now...cu later in berlin :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Later \sh
[04:16] <bddebian> We can drop the c2 from libqt3 now right?
[04:17] <bddebian> err c102
[04:18] <chillywilly> does anyone here know if I build a kernel using sources from kernel.org with make-kpkg --initrd will I need the cramfs initrd patch?
[04:19] <bddebian> chillywilly: Only after you do some MOTU work. ;-P
[04:19] <chillywilly> anyway...
[04:23] <bddebian> Don't know man, sorry
[04:25] <chillywilly> either that or I can pick a different file system for the image in mkinitrd.conf from what I can tell
[04:25] <herzi> doko: ping
[04:26] <doko> herzi: pong
[04:27] <\sh> re
[04:29] <bddebian> \sh_away: Make up your mind :-)
[04:32] <herzi> doko: another debuggin bug: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[04:37] <doko> herzi: apt-cache search alleyoop doesn't show anything
[04:39] <doko> herzi: prepare a package, if you want to have it in universe
[04:46] <StrikeForce> Can someone look at a package in revu please?
[04:47] <StrikeForce> the package's name is Rufus its been there for awhile and I just uploaded a new upstream version that fixes some libwxgtk issues
[04:49] <herzi> doko: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=alleyoop
[04:51] <bddebian> alleyoop:
[04:51] <bddebian>   Installed: (none)
[04:51] <bddebian>   Candidate: 0.8.2-3
[04:51] <bddebian>   Version table:
[04:51] <bddebian>      0.8.2-3 0
[04:51] <bddebian>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[04:51] <bddebian> oops, sorry
[05:02] <herzi> siretart: ping
[05:18] <bddebian> Any bored MOTUs? :-)
[05:19] <siretart> herzi: pong
[05:20] <herzi> 1. can you please approve my revu request?
[05:20] <herzi> 2. is it possible to apt-get source the revu repo
[05:20] <herzi> ?
[05:20] <siretart> 1. done
[05:20] <siretart> 2. nope. will come with revu2
[05:21] <siretart> :)
[05:21] <bddebian> siretart: Good, wanna upload some stuff then? :-)
[05:22] <siretart> bddebian: I'm going home soon
[05:22] <bddebian> Gah, you all suck. :-)
[05:28] <chillywilly> how's it going anyway? Release is going to be in October right? That doesn't leave much time :)
[05:30] <siretart> right :/
[05:30] <bddebian> No kidding and I can't seem to get shit accomplished :-(
[05:31] <chillywilly> around what time in October is the release most likely going to happen?
[05:31] <chillywilly> middle of the month? end of the month?
[05:31] <Nafallo> chillywilly: 13th
[05:31] <chillywilly> sweet
[05:31] <chillywilly> hoary is getting a little old ;)
[05:32] <Nafallo> nope :-)
[05:35] <bddebian> chillywilly: So get to work helping "us" get towards breezy :-)
[05:36] <pef> can I replace xlibmesa-gl with libgl1-mesa ? (recommends field of a debian/control)
[05:37] <bddebian> pef: I believe so
[05:38] <chillywilly> bddebian: I don't have any time that's the problem
[05:38] <bddebian> chillywilly: I'm kidding you man. :-)
[05:38] <bddebian> chillywilly: I have time but no sk1llz ;-P
[05:39] <chillywilly> bah, come on now
[05:39] <pef> bddebian: it sounds correct with others glutransition packages names, but I want to be sure :)
[05:40] <pef> siretart: can I have your opinion ?
[05:41] <siretart> pef: imo you should. yes
[05:42] <pef> ok thanks
[05:44] <pef> siretart: and adding libgl, no ? (like libgl-dev )
[05:51] <siretart> pef: you mean the alternative, yes, do that please
[05:52] <pef> siretart: so it's another package to change with a new virtual one, should I update the wikipage about that ?
[05:53] <siretart> yes
[05:53] <siretart> sorry, I'm tryin to get my work here finished to get home
[05:54] <pef> siretart: oh, sorry to bother you
[05:55] <siretart> nm
[05:55] <siretart> ok.
[05:55] <siretart> leaving
[05:55] <siretart> cu later
[05:56] <pef> bye
[06:03] <bddebian> Later siretart
[06:12] <bddebian> Hello rbelem
[06:12] <rbelem> hello bddebian ;-)
[06:13] <rbelem> i'm tired yet :-/
[06:13] <bddebian> :-(
[06:15] <rbelem> today morning was very noisy
[06:18] <rbelem> next week will be the brazil independece week, then people are praticing with those musical instruments that i dont know how to say
[06:18] <rbelem> :-/
[06:19] <rbelem> hey bddebian the postgresql meta package should install postgresql-8.0 ?
[06:19] <rbelem> shouldnt install postgresql-8.0?
[06:21] <rbelem> currently it's installing postgresql-7.4
[06:25] <bddebian> rbelem: I would think so but what do I know? :-)
[06:35] <rbelem> bddebian: is it right? but it is in main :-/ i'll ask mpitt
[06:35] <bddebian> rbelem: I would think it should install 8
[06:38] <Seveas> pitti is the pgsql guru, so he should know :)
[06:39] <rbelem> heheheh thats true ;-)
[07:00] <bddebian> Do be do be dooo
[07:04] <pef> bye !
[07:04] <bddebian> Later pef
[07:14] <ivoks> motus!
[07:14] <ivoks> why do we still have mozilla-firefox in universe?
[07:14] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:15] <ivoks> hi
[07:15] <ivoks> so... any uploader here?
[07:16] <ivoks> ogra: is there any need for mozilla-firefox in universe? it's 1.0.2 and it's broken...
[07:17] <ogra> i guess not
[07:17] <ivoks> can we remove it?
[07:17] <ogra> can you ask elmo to remove it ?
[07:17] <ivoks> ogra: i would, but i get the feeling that he ignores me :)
[07:17] <ogra> then mail him
[07:18] <ivoks> and... IIRC, after instaling colony3 CD, installer installs mozilla-firefox
[07:18] <ogra> tell him i approved it
[07:18] <ivoks> but this i have to verify on monday
[07:18] <ivoks> ok, mailing him
[07:18] <ivoks> elmo at ubuntu.com?
[07:18] <ivoks> or jamer?
[07:18] <ivoks> james
[07:22] <ogra> james@ubuntu.com
[07:23] <slomo> ogra: isn't it james.troup@ubuntu.com ? or are both correct
[07:23] <ogra> i think they work both... as well as @canonical.com
[07:25] <bddebian> slomo: You an uploader yet?
[07:26] <slomo> bddebian: no...
[07:26] <bddebian> Well WTF?
[07:27] <ivoks> bddebian: we are all 'on hold' :)
[07:27] <slomo> ivoks: did you already ping mako today? ;)
[07:31] <bddebian> ivoks: Why?
[07:41] <bddebian> What is this: get_byte(Uint8&) in C++?
[07:42] <jblack> That is a function that is given a pice of memory to store a 8 bit unsigned int in.
[07:42] <jblack> You call get_byte with a piece of memory, and it puts a character in that memory before it returns.
[07:43] <jblack> By the way, that looks like a prototype to me. Is there a missing ; on the end of that line?
[07:43] <bddebian> So it's a pointer address like in C ?
[07:55] <bddebian> ogra: Is there a definitive policy on bringing a new release over from Debian if it fixes FTBFS problems?
[07:55] <ivoks> slomo: no :)
[07:56] <slomo> ivoks: i've already done... no answer ;)
[07:56] <ivoks> :)
[07:56] <ivoks> slomo: i'll have to wait till LP get's fixed
[07:56] <slomo> ivoks: send him the stuff as mail
[07:57] <ogra> bddebian, nope... it really depends on the package
[07:57] <bddebian> This shit is all just to damn vague
[07:58] <ivoks> lol
[07:58] <ivoks> i got mail from elmo
[07:58] <ivoks> "Done"
[07:58] <ivoks> :))
[07:58] <slomo> ivoks: what done?
[07:58] <ivoks> flood (small one)
[07:58] <ivoks> > In breezy's universe repository, we have mozilla-firefox package wich is
[07:58] <ivoks> > obsolete. Could you, please, remove it? Ogra said that's ok.
[07:58] <ogra> currently i'd say the less likely you can break anything, the more likely we can have an exception
[07:58] <ivoks> Done
[07:59] <slomo> ivoks: ah ok :)
[07:59] <ivoks> now i know he isn't ignoring me
[07:59] <ogra> ivoks, so he doesnt ignore you as you fear ;)
[07:59] <ivoks> but, then again... anyone could send him such mail :)
[07:59] <bddebian> ogra: Well there is a patch on Debian BTS to fix the current version but it seems stupid if we are trying to keep in sync with Debian (btw shaketracker in this case)
[07:59] <ivoks> how did he know it's mine?
[07:59] <ivoks> :)
[08:00] <slomo> ivoks: i think he checks what you propose in the mail ;)
[08:00] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, that's good news :)
[08:00] <ogra> bddebian, what does it fix ?
[08:00] <bddebian> gcc4 build issues
[08:00] <ogra> so its ftbfs currently ?
[08:01] <bddebian> Yes
[08:01] <bddebian> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266355
[08:01] <ogra> that doesnt need approval... fixing ftbfs and not introducing new ones is always ok
[08:02] <bddebian> Well who can do it?
[08:02] <ogra> just make sure it doesnt brak othe packages
[08:03] <bddebian> ogra: How do I do that?
[08:03] <ogra> testbuild, make sure other depending stuff stays in shape...
[08:03] <slomo> bddebian: is it a library?
[08:04] <bddebian> slomo: No
[08:05] <slomo> bddebian: then it won't break something ;) so just test if it builds
[08:15] <bddebian> OK, it builds fine from Debian
[09:00] <bddebian> Later folks ( If anyone is awake ;-) )
[10:16] <hmrocha> could you do a netbeans deb package?
[10:53] <bur[n] er> anyone have any luck with qemu & kqemu in breezy?
[11:10] <bddebian> What's the replacement for xlibmesa-dev?
[11:11] <bddebian> Oh, nm
[11:20] <ogra_ltsp> grmpf
[11:20] <bddebian> ?
[11:22] <ogra> see u-d
[11:23] <bddebian> The network problem?
[11:23] <ogra> nope i couldnt answer PM
[11:23] <bddebian> Ohh, #u-d :-)
[11:24] <ogra> i just grmpfed in the wrong channel
[11:25] <ajmitch> morning
[11:25] <bddebian> Hi honey
[11:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, please don't ask for ezmlm to be imported, since it was removed from debian
[11:26] <ogra> ajmitch, and ?
[11:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Then we should remove xezmlm then
[11:26] <ajmitch> at best it would go into multiverse
[11:26] <ogra> remember, it can always enter again through apt-get.org :P
[11:26] <ajmitch> ogra: it's non-free
[11:27] <bddebian> Wasn't it in multiverse (xezmlm anyway?)
[11:27] <ogra> then it could enter multiverse if someone requests it... as long as its redistributable
[11:28] <bddebian> Damnit, rezound can't find libFOX even though it's there :-(
[11:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Speaking of which, did you ever get any more time on the libm thing?
[11:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[11:29] <ajmitch> ogra: last upstream release of ezmlm is back in pre-history :)
[11:29] <ajmitch> at least the last one that made it into debian
[11:29] <ogra> hmm, dinosaurware
[11:30] <ajmitch> replaced by ezmlm-idz
[11:30] <ajmitch> s/idz/idx/
[11:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: AYe, idx and -data or some shit right?
[11:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Is there anything I can do that you haven't already tried then? ;-P
[11:31] <ajmitch> I'm sure there is
[11:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you try beta-3 rezound from Debian?
[11:33] <ajmitch> nope
[11:38] <bddebian> Well it build-deps libfox1.4-dev which we don't have :-)
[11:39] <ajmitch> yep, I saw that ;)
[11:44] <bddebian> I pretty much just suck :'-(