=== xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200.231.108.90] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] hi ogra [01:16] hey [01:16] how are you [01:16] better now... i had DSL probs all the day... [01:16] :( [01:17] quite odd, one dey before preview freeze... was no fun to move the xscreensaver source from and to the net [01:17] it looks nice [01:17] thanks :) [01:17] who is everyone? [01:17] its a UDU photo :) [01:17] there are some heads with no faces [01:18] i see jeff, rob, charles [01:18] jdub, bob2, mvo chmj and i think lying is jordi, but i'm not sure [01:18] maybe mvo [01:18] ooh im good [01:18] hi ogra [01:19] yeah === ajmitch hasn't seen screensaver, got the original photo there? [01:19] i have to dig... lets see how f-spot behaves today ;) [01:19] speaking of f-spot.. [01:19] ogra: well if elmo had synced it.. [01:19] yes, I know he's busy :) [01:21] tseng_: if you want to ask him again, feel free [01:21] he might not appreciate my pestering :) [01:23] http://www.grawert.net/020505%20059.jpg [01:23] even lamont is on it ... === marcin_ant [n=marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] ah mako and lamont [01:24] hi all [01:24] and janes feet [01:24] I got a question [01:24] someone is on mvo [01:24] I would like to prepare some packages [01:24] ogra: I'm on that? [01:24] dafyd? [01:24] but with a little different names than original names [01:24] lamont: you';re behind rob [01:24] lamont, behind bob2 [01:25] yeah - guess so - don't remember doing it... [01:25] that's mark we're squishing? [01:25] jdub looks rather demonic [01:25] might be, i cant remember... [01:25] someone else is on jeffs lap [01:25] thom? [01:25] and I would like to ask how to do this? [01:25] and jeff has a hand on his crotch [01:26] that's kamion, and jdub is definitely demonic [01:26] i really cant remember, but obviously doko has pic from another perspective [01:26] marcin_ant: i don't understand your exact problem... [01:26] for example I got original sources in emacs-21.3.tar.gz and would like to create emacs21-21.3 package [01:26] demonic and gay [01:27] marcin_ant: ok, is there a good reason for this? [01:27] hehe [01:27] ajmitch, well yes [01:27] ajmitch, while there is no support for 'slots' like in gentoo [01:28] slots in gentoo are the same as version-named packages in effect [01:28] marcin_ant: have you read the debian new maintainer's guide? [01:28] ajmitch, then if I want to use more than one version of package at the time than I need to do something like this [01:28] mbreit, yes === ajmitch doesn't quite see the rationale in having several minor emacs versions in the archive [01:29] marcin_ant: you can set the name of the binary packages in debian/control... but all that is explaned in the debian new maintainer's guide... === tix [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] mbreit, well I know that I can set the name in debian/control [01:30] mbreit, but it's not my point [01:31] marcin_ant: so what is your point? [01:32] mbreit, if I gor package with sources let's say emacs-21.3.tar.gz then these sources unpacks to /emacs-21.3 [01:32] marcin_ant: so you want to change the source package's name? [01:33] mbreit, yes [01:34] I just want to create emacs21 package but my sources goes to emacs-21.x directory [01:34] where the tarball unpacks to isn't really relevant, as it works with just abotu any directory name [01:35] ajmitch, hmmm [01:36] some packaging scripts might have something hardcoded, but I've seen some odd naming [01:37] well I though that if I want to have for example emacs21 package than I should unpack my sources file and rename directory with sources to emacs21 === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:50] So where does Transitions stand? [02:50] s/does/do/ [03:02] In the corner, facing the wall. [03:02] It's been *bad* [03:04] Bah, heya jbailey :-) === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:27] ZZZZzzz [03:32] Where the heck is everybody [03:33] away [03:34] Heya ajmitch, wanna do some uploads? :-) [03:34] hm [03:35] maybe :) [03:35] ajmitch: Also, wtf do I do about packages that are missing deps or build-deps from the archive now that we are frozen? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] we're not frozen [03:36] We arent? [03:36] if things were frozen, then we'd have nothing to do [03:37] Well UVF I mean [03:37] just what sort of deps & build-deps are you talking about? [03:37] yaprimaxgui deps pxscan which isn't in multiverse (which is funny because yaprimaxgui is in universe) [03:37] libtagcoll1 [03:37] libdebtags1 [03:38] debtags might be an exception [03:39] yaprimaxgui & pxscan are things that probably noone cares about [03:39] since they were pulled form apt-get.org [03:41] Oh so I am doing worthless work as always? === ajmitch sighs [03:41] no === bddebian sighs more [03:43] moo.. [03:47] baa [03:47] Ahh, tseng_ can upload for me [03:47] and I can't now? [03:47] ajmitch: You said maybe :-) [03:49] jbailey: See what I have to put up with :-) [03:50] mm, a black screen on booting the hoary live cd, very promising [03:50] Ugh === dereks [n=derek@pcp0011385359pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Fuck, now xgsmlib FTBFSs [04:01] i had the same ajmitch [04:01] breezy was rad [04:04] bddebian: abuse from all sides. [04:04] bddebian: But you love us for it. =) [04:04] Heh [04:04] jbailey: Do you have a sec for a /query or you busy as usual? [04:05] Is it more obscure c++ stuff? [04:05] I'm putting together a documentation package right now, so I'm busy but I have some brain space. [04:05] Well I have that too but I won't bug ya with that [04:05] tseng_: I don't have the breezy live cd with me at the moment [04:05] and it's currently rsyncing [04:07] Anyone have ppc and/or amd64 handy? [04:07] ppc, but not for a few hours === bmonty [n=bmontgom@12.41.191.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] Well the build logs say it build so I guess I'll remove xxdiff from my list === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] Where should /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h come from? [04:25] Either that or lesstiff2-dev has issues === desrt [n=desrt@24.215.14.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] universe isn't frozen until the last minute, right? [04:37] desrt: it's under a sort of freeze [04:37] no new upstream versions except for serious cases [04:37] well, UVF against auto-merges, right? [04:37] most likely no NEW packages [04:37] hmm. [04:37] and by-hand merges [04:37] i just need to know what to tell the ghc guys [04:38] like "please release by ____" [04:38] desrt: ghc is broken, so we make exceptions for it [04:38] up to the last minute? [04:38] but remember that we need to fix up all the packages that depend on ghc [04:38] oh. true true [04:38] preferably last month :P [04:38] heh. [04:39] What about something like xastir? We have 1.4.1 and Debian has 1.6.0? [04:39] my friend and i are ghc platform maintatiners... but i'm fairly inactive :P [04:41] bddebian: got any good reason to update to 1.6.0? [04:41] FTBFS? [04:42] FTBFS that can't be simply patched with 1.4.1? [04:42] a patch such as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288697 ? [04:42] Dunno, that's the one I was asking about /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h earlier [04:42] that's another matter, then [04:43] since 1.6.0 would probably FTBFS for the same reason [04:43] Well it must not on Debian :-) [04:43] that's because debian's x.org structure is different [04:43] ie, not split up [04:44] Ahh [04:45] Well it's another one that I don't know how to fix :-( [04:50] bddebian: looks simple enough, just building here & I'll upload [04:50] when is breezy final? [04:51] desrt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [04:51] perfect [04:51] ajmitch: Would you mind telling me what it is/was? [04:51] wow [04:51] i've been searching for this page for months [04:51] thanks :D [04:52] bddebian: libxp-dev buil-dep [04:53] ajmitch: How did you figure that out? === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:55] yay, now I get a different FTBFS with it [04:55] bddebian: I'm psychic === ajmitch fetches the gcc 4.0 patch from debian [04:57] ajmitch: Come on man, I'm trying to learn here [04:58] bddebian: I knew about libxp [05:00] I don't like you. :-) [05:00] I know [05:01] Damnit, torcs still can't find libm === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] tritium!!! [05:06] hey bddebian :) [05:07] How's life? [05:08] crazy busy. You? [05:08] Same ol' [05:11] hi tritium [05:12] hi ajmitch :) [05:13] ajmitch: OK Mr. SmartyPants, why can't torcs find sin in libm when objdump -T /usr/lib/libm.so yields sin ? [05:13] :-) [05:14] because you broke it, of course === bddebian sighs "Why do I even try" [05:15] because you love it [05:15] I'm just waiting for torcs to build now === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] bddebian: what changes have you made to torcs? [05:18] ajmitch: None except for the debian dropped stuff [05:18] I even tried the Debian package [05:18] ok, so you're trying to merge, rather than building the source in the archive? [05:18] Yep, sorry [05:18] right, because the source in archive works fine [05:19] Doesn't it have an unmet build dep on plib1.3? [05:19] built ok in pbuilder for me [05:19] 1.2.2-5ubuntu4 [05:20] Aye, I just saw that [05:20] This is 1.2.3-2 [05:20] so it's a configure test that fails? [05:21] Yes [05:21] What's your version of libc6? [05:21] 2.3.5-1ubuntu10 [05:21] everything of mine should be up to date [05:22] let me test the debian package [05:22] Hmm, I only get 2.3.5-1ubuntu1 [05:22] antique [05:22] But it doesn't upgrade?? [05:22] -1ubuntu1 is from may [05:23] building 1.2.3 now.. [05:24] Oh, hehe, nm. dpkg -l is dropping the 0 from ubuntu10 :-) [05:25] pbuilder is great... === ajmitch used dpkg -l as well [05:25] checking for sin in -lm... no [05:25] configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to torcs-users@lists.sourceforge.net with the subject "torcs compilation problem" [05:25] great, so there was some change from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3 [05:25] It builds fine on my etch machine though [05:26] 1337 [05:27] ? === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] WTF is ac_check_lib_save_LIBS ? [05:33] dunno, look it up [05:33] fun [05:33] checking for plib/ssg.h... yes [05:33] checking for sin in -lm... yes [05:34] ?? [05:36] You fixed that already too? [05:36] nope [05:36] So what is that output from? [05:36] torcs === bddebian is confused [05:37] you should be [05:37] I know I am [05:37] ah, it passed configure this time round === ajmitch waits for a build to finish [05:43] bddebian: I think something might be a bit crackful here, I might take a look at it in a ouple of hours when I have time [05:44] No problem I'm probably gonna head for bed anyhow [05:44] And maybe just quit (again) :-) [05:44] ok [05:44] for the 3rd time this week ;) [05:45] Aye. I'm not bringing much to the table [05:51] ah, the infamous -lm issue [05:51] I've witnessed it five times myself on my amd64 pbuilder [05:51] It is known? [05:51] crimsun: yep, and it showed up for a couple of builds, but not for subsequent builds [05:51] ./configure will bail four out of five times [05:51] mysteriously it will succeed on the fifth [05:52] that's great to know [05:52] jbailey: you seen this bug at all? [06:04] Well gnight gentlemen [06:04] good night bddebian [06:05] night [06:09] ajmitch: Which one is that? [06:09] Can you reproduce it locally, or only on the buildds? [06:09] jbailey: locally, sometimes [06:10] One of the hacks I've been thinking of for breezy+1 is dumping the config.log to stdout on failure. [06:10] The config.log should have something useful in it. [06:10] configure not finding libm [06:10] it should :) [06:10] yeah, that's the only useful thing I ever found in it === ajmitch re-runs debuild to try & find a failure [06:11] Not finding *libm*? [06:11] sigh, it worked this time [06:11] yes [06:11] Oy. [06:11] as crimsun said, it fails sometimes, but not all [06:11] Are youusing execshield or anything like that which randomises address space? [06:11] stock breezy 2.6.12-6 [06:12] I don't think ASLR patches are in, though some *may* have been [06:12] and my amd64 pbuilder is using hoary's 2.6.10 (security errata) === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo yawns === womble [n=mpalmer@203-219-190-106.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sjg [n=jason@67.126.87.116] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] morning [08:58] moin pef [09:00] siretart: hi. Some packages remaining for GLtransition are big (>=20Mb) I hope Motus have high speed links [09:04] pef: I hope you created .debdiffs ;) === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa175.1.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] siretart: how to mention in changelog a changed dependency because a package changed its name ? (like libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2 ) === desrt [n=desrt@24.215.14.137] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:07] changed dependency because package libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2 [09:07] I think that makes clear what and why you did a change. thats the purpose of th changeliog [09:11] yes, short and efficient :) === bmonty|NickTaken [n=bmontgom@12.41.191.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] siretart: for theses kinds of changes (changed dependency, gl transtion) should I increment the version number (ubuntux+1) or just add ubuntuxbuild1 ? === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] pef: that depends on the package [09:19] siretart: poker3d === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] pef: if you change any file other than debian/changelog, then you modified the package, and you would not want that debian syncs over your changes [09:20] pef: so you would want to add the 'ubuntu' suffix to prohibit automatic syncs from debian [09:20] pef: if you just need a rebuild, then a 'buildX' suffix is sufficient [09:20] siretart: it already has ubuntu suffix, and I only change dependencies [09:21] then you need to maintain it, and just increment the last number [09:25] siretart: thank you very much ! [09:26] pef: you're welcome === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-123-118.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c183242.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] siretart: the changes I made will be send to Debian ? === Natja_ [n=Natja@15-214.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] pef: no. If you fixed something, please file a bug in the debian bts yourself, if you thing it should be incorporated in the debian package, too [10:10] ok :) [10:13] think, even.. [10:19] not present into debian repository, so it's not a problem === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] due to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312075 I am no more able to use anjuta in breezy. There is a source patch available. Is it going to be included in Breezy soon? [10:25] thesaltydog: if it's a critical bug I think yes [10:27] pef, I cannot use anjuta anymore. I should switch back to hoary. [10:27] pef who is in charge of anjuta for breezy? === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] thesaltydog: is there a malone bug for anjuta? if not, please file one and assign to MOTU [10:48] siretart, I have just filed. Whom I have to assign it? [10:49] thesaltydog: bugnr? [10:50] setting it critical with priority high isn't exactly right - it doesn't cause the system to crash & burn [10:50] siretart, 2035 [10:50] siretart: same thing, just needs a sync, I think we may have asked elmo for one in the past but it slipped off the screen [10:55] ajmitch: may I quote you in the bugreport? [11:00] ok. now using all features malone gives us :) === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] siretart, thank you reinhard. This Malone system looks very efficient.. [11:03] no matter === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] Can someone archive bittorrent and bittornado since they have been done [11:20] StrikeForce: add a comment ? [11:20] ok no worries === `0xDEAF` [n=codomani@61.246.59.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu === `0xDEAF` [n=codomani@61.246.59.70] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] what's the best way to generate a .debdiff ? using debdiff ou diff -Nru ? [12:18] debdiff pkg1.dsc pkg2.dsc === mbreit [n=mo@p548769F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] ajmitch: thanks ! [12:22] ajmitch: I've tested every option but this :] === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] can somebody poke j^ to create a bugzilla account next time he's around, please? [12:22] sure [12:22] I want to make him the default network-manager assignee [12:23] yep, reading #u-devel [12:24] will try to remember === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] ogra: ping [12:40] someone please take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039 [12:41] siretart: does it seems ok for you ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff === Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] pef: I get a 'connection' refused from your webserver === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E876.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] have you access to http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ? === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487E876.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200.231.108.90] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] morning people [01:07] rbelem: hello [01:08] hello pef how's going? === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:09] rbelem: fine, as usual :) and you ? [01:10] pef: fine but little bit sick and too headache [01:11] pef: i'm without glass :-/ [01:13] rbelem: ouch, maybe a little sleep will solve that [01:14] pef: eheheehe thats true [01:15] pef: i'll sleep a bit more [01:16] :p [01:17] pef: thx pef ;-) [01:18] rbelem-zzz: every problem has a solution :D [01:28] ccache as a depends, should be a recommends, no ? [01:29] pef: context? [01:30] Nafallo: package poker3d, ccache is set as a depends [01:32] pef: isn't here [01:32] pef: or rather... why didn't you say build-dep? [01:33] ccache probably shouldn't be there at all indeed [01:33] Nafallo: should I delete it ? I find this strange [01:34] pef: yes. that's clearly out of order :-). [01:35] Nafallo: *-Depends must be as tiny as possible, right ? [01:35] well, yes. it should build the package, and that's all :-) [01:36] Nafallo: ok, thanks ! [01:36] np [01:36] the developer probably wanted to pull it in for his pbuilder ;) [01:37] ajmitch: it's a home made package [01:37] pef: home made? [01:38] ajmitch: made by the upstream author [01:38] right [01:38] Nafallo: ccache is used by somes targets in debian/rules, should I clean up this too ? [01:38] so he probably built it 20 times or so to get the packaging right [01:38] pef: yes === Nafallo should write a pbuilder+ccache section for the PbuilderHowto ;-) [01:40] Nafallo: do you think distcc can work with pbuilder ? [01:41] pef: can't see why it shouldn't :-) [01:41] I'm sure that some people have it going [01:41] you can always use pbuilder hooks to setup distcc appropriately [01:41] ajmitch: like Jridell with his qt/kde stuff I presume [01:42] possibly [01:47] can you please check the lasth changelog entry for language correction ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/changelog.txt === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dereks [n=derek@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] Heya === desplesda [n=desplesd@254.242.132.203.in-addr.wholesaledsl.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-112.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] bddebian: hi :) [03:29] is it possible to delete a package from universe if the author upstream request it ? [03:32] err, why does he request that ? [03:32] i mean, didnt he/she offer it under GPL ? [03:33] ogra: he is preparing a brand new version, and the current version is too old for him [03:33] ogra: he already remove the package from debian [03:33] what is it ? [03:34] poker3d [03:35] uh, thats an odd package... [03:35] i had aready to fix it once... [03:36] ogra: i'm currently doing the gltransition on it [03:36] if remove from archive, it's not very usefull :) [03:36] but it has tons of dependencys ... does the current version work ? [03:37] Heya pef [03:37] ogra: I'm fixing openscengraph, a dependency, it's a big c++ source, and take a long time to compile [03:37] Hmm, I have that on my unmetdeps list too [03:37] does the current version of poker3d in the archive work or not ? === Danten [n=danten@h149n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [03:38] ogra: No [03:38] ogra: broken dependenies, not installable [03:39] ah, ok.. then go ahead and sync the new version... as long as the package name stays the same it will be overruled... [03:39] so there should be no need to wipe it [03:39] if the name doesnt stay, a Replaces: should suffice [03:40] ogra: upstream author working on new version, not currently available [03:40] and don't know if available before breezy release :/ [03:40] if thats there, sync it... is there an ETA ? [03:40] hmm, k [03:40] ogra: no, will ask to the author [03:41] might as well remove yaprimaxgui too unless someone brings in pxscan to multiverse [03:41] why remove them... leave them around as source until we get something better... [03:42] ogra: Well I dunno but yaprimaxgui is in universe but depends on pxscan from multiverse. Isn't that wrong. [03:43] ogra: I just ask if it is technically possible, if the author requests like for Debian ;) [03:43] it is... and should get sorted [03:43] pef, it is... but why should we... if someone wants to play with the source its nice to have it available... even if its ftbfs [03:44] ogra: ok, so I do the gltransition to makes the package installable, and tell the author to contact me when new version available ? [03:44] yup [03:45] if its in time for breezy and the package is better quality, i'm all for having a last minute sync [03:45] ok, nice ! [03:46] ogra: Good, how about bringing in ezmlm too then :-) [03:46] lets get rid of the odd packages ;) [03:46] Oh and debtags [03:46] bddebian, how about a list with such candidates that we review in the end... [03:46] and libtagcoll1 [03:47] ogra: can you take a quick look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039 [03:47] ajmitch: You awake? [03:47] doubt that === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] \sh!!! [03:52] <\sh> that was fast [03:52] <\sh> morning gentlemen :) === desplesda [n=desplesd@81.242.132.203.in-addr.wholesaledsl.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] <\sh> I just came home :) [03:54] Heya \sh, how ya been? [03:56] ogra: Review at the end of what? === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E876.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] <\sh> bddebian: fine fine :) training course with certificate..now I can break Junipers ,-) and now I'm preparing to visit dholbach and meet treenaks in berlin [03:59] Cool [03:59] Slap dholbach for me ;-) [04:00] <\sh> the plan is: going out for some beer with some working buddies in cologne....staying there until 4 o'clock (thats 2:00 UTC) and then taking the ICE train at 4:24 (2:24 UTC) from cologne to berlin..and reaching berlin at 9:03 (7:03 UTC) [04:01] <\sh> so..during the journey to berlin i have a couple of hours of sleep :) [04:02] :) [04:02] <\sh> around 14:00 or 15:00 (12:00/13:00 UTC) treenaks will reach berlin as well..and after that we will meet somewhere...doing the natural key signing thing and have some beer in berlin [04:03] <\sh> and sunday in the evening or monday morning I will go back home ;) [04:05] <\sh> that is the plan...I mean it is _the_plan_ ,-) [04:05] is preview-freeze affecting universe? [04:05] bddebian, at the end of the release cycle... [04:06] bddebian, a week or two before release === bddebian isn't sure what to do again :-( [04:13] <\sh> ok...leaving now...cu later in berlin :) [04:15] Later \sh [04:16] We can drop the c2 from libqt3 now right? [04:17] err c102 [04:18] does anyone here know if I build a kernel using sources from kernel.org with make-kpkg --initrd will I need the cramfs initrd patch? [04:19] chillywilly: Only after you do some MOTU work. ;-P [04:19] anyway... [04:23] Don't know man, sorry [04:25] either that or I can pick a different file system for the image in mkinitrd.conf from what I can tell [04:25] doko: ping [04:26] herzi: pong [04:27] <\sh> re [04:29] \sh_away: Make up your mind :-) [04:32] doko: another debuggin bug: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039 [04:37] herzi: apt-cache search alleyoop doesn't show anything [04:39] herzi: prepare a package, if you want to have it in universe === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] Can someone look at a package in revu please? [04:47] the package's name is Rufus its been there for awhile and I just uploaded a new upstream version that fixes some libwxgtk issues === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-123.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] doko: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=alleyoop [04:51] alleyoop: [04:51] Installed: (none) [04:51] Candidate: 0.8.2-3 [04:51] Version table: [04:51] 0.8.2-3 0 [04:51] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages [04:51] oops, sorry === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:02] siretart: ping === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:18] Any bored MOTUs? :-) [05:19] herzi: pong [05:20] 1. can you please approve my revu request? [05:20] 2. is it possible to apt-get source the revu repo [05:20] ? [05:20] 1. done [05:20] 2. nope. will come with revu2 [05:21] :) === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] siretart: Good, wanna upload some stuff then? :-) === mikerhead [n=Mike@cpe-66-24-91-59.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:22] bddebian: I'm going home soon === GazerWork [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] Gah, you all suck. :-) [05:28] how's it going anyway? Release is going to be in October right? That doesn't leave much time :) [05:30] right :/ [05:30] No kidding and I can't seem to get shit accomplished :-( [05:31] around what time in October is the release most likely going to happen? [05:31] middle of the month? end of the month? [05:31] chillywilly: 13th [05:31] sweet [05:31] hoary is getting a little old ;) [05:32] nope :-) [05:35] chillywilly: So get to work helping "us" get towards breezy :-) === bddebian ducks [05:36] can I replace xlibmesa-gl with libgl1-mesa ? (recommends field of a debian/control) === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] pef: I believe so [05:38] bddebian: I don't have any time that's the problem [05:38] chillywilly: I'm kidding you man. :-) [05:38] chillywilly: I have time but no sk1llz ;-P [05:39] bah, come on now [05:39] bddebian: it sounds correct with others glutransition packages names, but I want to be sure :) [05:40] siretart: can I have your opinion ? [05:41] pef: imo you should. yes [05:42] ok thanks [05:44] siretart: and adding libgl, no ? (like libgl-dev ) [05:51] pef: you mean the alternative, yes, do that please [05:52] siretart: so it's another package to change with a new virtual one, should I update the wikipage about that ? [05:53] yes [05:53] sorry, I'm tryin to get my work here finished to get home === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] siretart: oh, sorry to bother you [05:55] nm [05:55] ok. [05:55] leaving [05:55] cu later [05:56] bye === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] Later siretart === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] Hello rbelem [06:12] hello bddebian ;-) [06:13] i'm tired yet :-/ [06:13] :-( [06:15] today morning was very noisy [06:18] next week will be the brazil independece week, then people are praticing with those musical instruments that i dont know how to say [06:18] :-/ [06:19] hey bddebian the postgresql meta package should install postgresql-8.0 ? [06:19] shouldnt install postgresql-8.0? [06:21] currently it's installing postgresql-7.4 === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] rbelem: I would think so but what do I know? :-) === janimo [n=jani@catv3EC94ACF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] bddebian: is it right? but it is in main :-/ i'll ask mpitt [06:35] rbelem: I would think it should install 8 === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] pitti is the pgsql guru, so he should know :) [06:39] heheheh thats true ;-) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E876.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] Do be do be dooo === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487E151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] bye ! === Danten [n=danten@h228n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [07:04] Later pef === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === remik [n=remik@xdsl-3144.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0554.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] motus! [07:14] why do we still have mozilla-firefox in universe? [07:14] Heya ivoks [07:15] hi [07:15] so... any uploader here? [07:16] ogra: is there any need for mozilla-firefox in universe? it's 1.0.2 and it's broken... [07:17] i guess not [07:17] can we remove it? [07:17] can you ask elmo to remove it ? [07:17] ogra: i would, but i get the feeling that he ignores me :) [07:17] then mail him [07:18] and... IIRC, after instaling colony3 CD, installer installs mozilla-firefox [07:18] tell him i approved it [07:18] but this i have to verify on monday [07:18] ok, mailing him [07:18] elmo at ubuntu.com? [07:18] or jamer? [07:18] james === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] james@ubuntu.com [07:23] ogra: isn't it james.troup@ubuntu.com ? or are both correct [07:23] i think they work both... as well as @canonical.com === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] slomo: You an uploader yet? [07:26] bddebian: no... [07:26] Well WTF? [07:27] bddebian: we are all 'on hold' :) [07:27] ivoks: did you already ping mako today? ;) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dantis [n=danten@h108n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [07:31] ivoks: Why? [07:41] What is this: get_byte(Uint8&) in C++? [07:42] That is a function that is given a pice of memory to store a 8 bit unsigned int in. [07:42] You call get_byte with a piece of memory, and it puts a character in that memory before it returns. [07:43] By the way, that looks like a prototype to me. Is there a missing ; on the end of that line? [07:43] So it's a pointer address like in C ? [07:55] ogra: Is there a definitive policy on bringing a new release over from Debian if it fixes FTBFS problems? [07:55] slomo: no :) [07:56] ivoks: i've already done... no answer ;) [07:56] :) [07:56] slomo: i'll have to wait till LP get's fixed === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GazerWork [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] ivoks: send him the stuff as mail [07:57] bddebian, nope... it really depends on the package [07:57] This shit is all just to damn vague [07:58] lol [07:58] i got mail from elmo [07:58] "Done" [07:58] :)) [07:58] ivoks: what done? [07:58] flood (small one) [07:58] > In breezy's universe repository, we have mozilla-firefox package wich is [07:58] > obsolete. Could you, please, remove it? Ogra said that's ok. [07:58] currently i'd say the less likely you can break anything, the more likely we can have an exception [07:58] Done [07:59] ivoks: ah ok :) [07:59] now i know he isn't ignoring me [07:59] ivoks, so he doesnt ignore you as you fear ;) [07:59] but, then again... anyone could send him such mail :) [07:59] ogra: Well there is a patch on Debian BTS to fix the current version but it seems stupid if we are trying to keep in sync with Debian (btw shaketracker in this case) [07:59] how did he know it's mine? [07:59] :) [08:00] ivoks: i think he checks what you propose in the mail ;) [08:00] ogra: yeah, that's good news :) [08:00] bddebian, what does it fix ? [08:00] gcc4 build issues [08:00] so its ftbfs currently ? [08:01] Yes [08:01] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266355 [08:01] that doesnt need approval... fixing ftbfs and not introducing new ones is always ok [08:02] Well who can do it? [08:02] just make sure it doesnt brak othe packages [08:03] ogra: How do I do that? [08:03] testbuild, make sure other depending stuff stays in shape... [08:03] bddebian: is it a library? [08:04] slomo: No [08:05] bddebian: then it won't break something ;) so just test if it builds [08:15] OK, it builds fine from Debian === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-80-108.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbreit [n=mo@p548769F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-80-108.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] Later folks ( If anyone is awake ;-) ) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.5.156] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRee [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hmrocha [n=hrocha@87-196-117-105.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] could you do a netbeans deb package? === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|laptop [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _derek [n=derek@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] anyone have any luck with qemu & kqemu in breezy? === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dionysus [n=dionysus@220-245-18-40.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] What's the replacement for xlibmesa-dev? [11:11] Oh, nm === dionysus [n=dionysus@220-245-18-40.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:20] grmpf [11:20] ? [11:22] see u-d [11:23] The network problem? [11:23] nope i couldnt answer PM [11:23] Ohh, #u-d :-) [11:24] i just grmpfed in the wrong channel [11:25] morning [11:25] Hi honey [11:26] bddebian: btw, please don't ask for ezmlm to be imported, since it was removed from debian [11:26] ajmitch, and ? [11:26] ajmitch: Then we should remove xezmlm then [11:26] at best it would go into multiverse [11:26] remember, it can always enter again through apt-get.org :P [11:26] ogra: it's non-free [11:27] Wasn't it in multiverse (xezmlm anyway?) [11:27] then it could enter multiverse if someone requests it... as long as its redistributable [11:28] Damnit, rezound can't find libFOX even though it's there :-( [11:28] ajmitch: Speaking of which, did you ever get any more time on the libm thing? [11:28] bddebian: no === ajmitch also had rezound issues [11:29] ogra: last upstream release of ezmlm is back in pre-history :) [11:29] at least the last one that made it into debian [11:29] hmm, dinosaurware [11:30] replaced by ezmlm-idz [11:30] s/idz/idx/ [11:31] ajmitch: AYe, idx and -data or some shit right? [11:31] ajmitch: Is there anything I can do that you haven't already tried then? ;-P [11:31] I'm sure there is [11:33] ajmitch: Did you try beta-3 rezound from Debian? [11:33] nope [11:38] Well it build-deps libfox1.4-dev which we don't have :-) [11:39] yep, I saw that ;) [11:44] I pretty much just suck :'-( === jamessan|laptop [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu