[12:00] <thoreauputic> opman: have you tried #apache ?
[12:00] <Blissex> opman: because this is an Apache support channel?
[12:00] <din> later, i'm goin home
[12:00] <spiritz> how usable is breezy? I had bad luck when I tried it during the C++ transition:
[12:00] <thoreauputic> Weems: you might need bchunk
[12:00] <thoreauputic> !info bchunk
[12:00] <Weems> pl
[12:00] <ubotu> bchunk: (CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
[12:00] <phantombrainm> is there a german ubuntu channel too?
[12:00] <opman> Blissex: because the apache channel inst responsive right now :)
[12:00] <Weems> ok.
[12:00] <Blissex> opman: however read http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr on the subject of mass virtual hosts
[12:00] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: i just hope it doesn't screw my kernel
[12:01] <Seveas> !de
[12:01] <DVSoftware> i hate kernel panics
[12:01] <ubotu> de is probably #ubuntu-de bitte.
[12:01] <gn0me> phantombrainm: #ubuntu-de maybe?
[12:01] <selinium> Nalioth: After checking both systems, it seems that when I shut down my local machine it did send the shutdown signal to my remote server as well. Had to pop into the office and start the machine.
[12:01] <phantombrainm> a yeah, thanks!
[12:01] <gn0me> :)
[12:01] <phantombrainm> not that im not speaking english but i just wanted to know
[12:01] <opman> Blissex: your fucking funny, but next time ask me if i already tried google
[12:02] <D13GU___>  the wireless ethernet adpter DWL-G510 is supported in ubuntu 5.04?
[12:02] <Weems> thoreauputic: what do I have to do after its installed?
[12:02] <Blissex> opman: I just did that search and I got quite a few URLs to documents that explain it in detail.
[12:02] <Weems> do I have to convert the .bin to .iso?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> Weems: I have no idea, sorry
[12:02] <Weems> oh..
[12:02] <thoreauputic> Weems: I've not used it
[12:02] <opman> Blissex: not specifically on my question
[12:03] <QMario> !Botsnack
[12:03] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[12:03] <opman> if you look into them
[12:03] <Blissex> opman: specifically on your question...
[12:03] <opman> Blissex: ..
[12:03] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:04] <Blissex> opman: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/mass.html
[12:04] <TheMagnumMunkey> hi
[12:04] <TheMagnumMunkey> just saying hi
[12:04] <TheMagnumMunkey> bye
[12:04] <opman> Blissex: ive looked at that, it doesnt even mention subdomains
[12:04] <Blissex> opman: it does not make a difference.
[12:05] <funkyHat> anyone know? O:-)
[12:05] <funkyHat> or have a wild guess at least
[12:05] <phantombrainm> how can i put the username of someone in front of my line?
[12:05] <opman> Blissex: i want it automatically to map subdomains, so i would have to use some mod_Rewrite or something to grab the subdomain name and change the url path
[12:05] <IceDC571> um.. configuration screen, what do you mean by that, funkyHat ?
[12:05] <Blissex> opman: note that Apache is not a DNS server, the domains or subdomains must already exist.
[12:05] <funkyHat> IceDC571, like the bios setup, only it's a separate setup as it's a PCI card
[12:06] <opman> Blissex: i have already setup bind9 to catch all subdomains
[12:06] <IceDC571> funkyHat, sorry. I have no idea.
[12:06] <Blissex> opman: so the section "Simple dynamic virtual hosts" shows how to do the mapping.
[12:07] <opman> Blissex: not for "sub" domains,   mapping /htdocs/www.test.com/abc to abc.test.com
[12:07] <Blissex> opman: I'd like to point out that the mapping goes the other way...
[12:08] <opman> Blissex: that doesnt matter
[12:08] <selinium> Hi Seveas, can you spare 5 mins to look my first compile thing?
[12:08] <jpfarias> does someone knows in which package is the helvetica font?
[12:08] <Blissex> opman: and ir works as in '/htdocs/abs.test.com/' whats wrong with that.
[12:08] <chumphries> i love how things just work in ubuntu :) something i thought would never exist in linux :)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> phantombrainm: type the first few letters, then hit <tab>
[12:08] <phantombrainm> thoreauputic, coool
[12:08] <phantombrainm> works
[12:08] <Seveas> selinium, yeah
[12:08] <chumphries> my girlfriend may use linux now :)
[12:08] <opman> Blissex: becasue thats not the way i want it?,
[12:08] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:08] <phantombrainm> thx
[12:09] <selinium> Seveas: Cool, I'll just go at pastebin it
[12:09] <Blissex> opman: then use 'mod_rewrite' or write your own version of the 'mod_vhost_alias' module.
[12:09] <abarbaccia> hey guys- whats the purpose of a tab in a makefile?
[12:09] <Blissex> opman: but consider http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_vhost_alias.html and the '%N.M' syntax
[12:10] <Blissex> abarbaccia: it distinguishes recipes from dependencies.
[12:10] <Blissex> abarbaccia: iff a line begins with a tab it is a recipe command.
[12:10] <abarbaccia> Blissex, can you explain more-  what do you mean recipes?
[12:10] <selinium> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1802 :)
[12:11] <Seveas> selinium, apt-get build-dep xmms
[12:11] <selinium> Seveas: it may be a bad choice but i saw someone else asking about installing it.
[12:11] <Blissex> abarbaccia: you really need to read an introduction to Make ...
[12:11] <selinium> Seveas: will do, Sorry to be a pain, but why?  want to know what to do next time :)
[12:12] <abarbaccia> Blissex, do you have one handy?
[12:12] <Seveas> it's a plugin for xmms so having all xmms build dependencies in place might be useful
[12:12] <Blissex> abarbaccia: two random ones that I just found are: http://makepp.sourceforge.net/1.19/makepp_tutorial.html http://www.wlug.org.nz/MakefileHowto
[12:12] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers. :)
[12:13] <abarbaccia> thanks buddy
[12:13] <CookedGryphon> hey, i've been trying to download wine, it keeps failing tho, where else can i get a supported version of it?
[12:13] <Seveas> apt-get install wine
[12:13] <selinium> Seveas: Done. Do i try the ./configure again now?
[12:13] <Seveas> (enable multiverse)
[12:13] <Blissex> CookedGryphon: supported? Look at Transgaming.com
[12:13] <Seveas> selinium, yes
[12:14] <DVSoftware> CookedGryphon: codeweavers crossover office
[12:14] <Chadza> Anyone know how to keep ubuntu from starting X?
[12:14] <Seveas> update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[12:15] <abarbaccia> Blissex, so basically the tab lets make know to run the command
[12:15] <Blissex> abarbaccia: sort of -- not quite. It is a syntactic element, not a semantic one.
[12:16] <Chadza> Seveas: So the corresponding command to bring it back would be update-rc.d -f gdm add?
[12:16] <Seveas> no
[12:16] <Chadza> Do tell then.
[12:17] <Chadza> So what is the command to add it back once I realize the error of my ways?
[12:17] <selinium> Seveas: Still complianing about the lack of BMP? Is that the beep music player?
[12:18] <Seveas> update-rc.d gdm start 13 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6
[12:18] <Seveas> selinium, no idea what it is
[12:18] <Seveas> try installing beep-media-player-dev
[12:18] <feugan3333> anyone know why I'm getting this error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1803
[12:18] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers
[12:18] <Seveas> try installing beep-media-player-dev .
[12:18] <Seveas> update-rc.d gdm start 13 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 .
[12:18] <Seveas> you need the final dot
[12:19] <Chadza> Seveas: You are my ubuntu hero.
[12:19] <Chadza> And for this base console that I'm at.
[12:19] <Chadza> Any way to raise the res slightly?
[12:19] <Chadza> I'm all about text, but not 1/4 inch letters.
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> Chadza: that's your LCD
[12:20] <Seveas> add vga=773 as kernel boot parameter in the '# kopt' line of /boot/grub/menu.lst and run update-grub
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> change it to stretch
[12:20] <abarbaccia> quick non-ubuntu question - if new fails in C++ what happens?  what's the error?
[12:20] <Chadza> Change what to strech HrdwrBoB ?
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> Chadza: your LCD
[12:21] <Chadza> This fills the screen.
[12:21] <Seveas> abarbaccia, paste the error on the pastebin, this is hopeless without context
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> oh, well then wht's the problem
[12:21] <Chadza> I'm on the 'base' console, I guess.
[12:21] <Chadza> So it's the generic BIOS size font.
[12:21] <Seveas> add vga=773 as kernel boot parameter in the '# kopt' line of /boot/grub/menu.lst and run update-grub <-- Chadza
[12:21] <abarbaccia> Seveas, no, i'm asking just a question - if new were to fail (you run out of memory) what happens
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> Chadza: what Seveas said
[12:22] <Seveas> abarbaccia, ah ok
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> in any case though, why is that a problem
[12:22] <Chadza> I want more text visible.
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> you should only need to use it when something goes terribly wrong
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> so use X
[12:22] <Seveas> well, you might get an exception somewhere. At least the reference to the object is invalid
[12:22] <feugan3333> abarbaccia: Nothing happens, no memory is allocated and new returns a null pointer
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> it has better fonts, movable windows, all sort of fun things
[12:22] <Seveas> feugan3333, no exceptions?
[12:22] <Chadza> I need irssi, pork, and mpg321, and a term.
[12:23] <Chadza> That's all I use this box for.
[12:23] <Seveas> abarbaccia, in that case exception/segfaults will occur when using the pointer returned by new
[12:23] <abarbaccia> feugan3333, i just looked it up - that's wrong - it throws an exception/segfault
[12:23] <Seveas> so always check the result of new (and *alloc)
[12:23] <CookedGryphon> why do the ubuntu repositories never work?
[12:23] <DVSoftware> god damn it
[12:23] <DVSoftware> this update lasts forever
[12:24] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, nonsense.
[12:24] <CookedGryphon> well, not never, but there's a lto fo broken ones
[12:24] <abarbaccia> thanks feugan3333 and Seveas
[12:24] <feugan3333> Ok sorry I was thinking of C
[12:24] <CookedGryphon> lot  of*
[12:24] <Seveas> CookedGryphon, again nonsense.
[12:24] <DVSoftware> CookedGryphon: i've never seen that official ubuntu reposotory is broken
[12:24] <CookedGryphon> jsut amin, which one of mine is broken....
[12:25] <Seveas> DVSoftware, packages can't get accepted if their dependencies can't be mad
[12:25] <Seveas> DVSoftware, packages can't get accepted if their dependencies can't be made*
[12:25] <Kyral> why does that nick make me think sexcopter8000m is a spambot?
[12:25] <frank23> which repository is borken?
[12:25] <selinium> Seveas: It needs libcurl, do i get libcurl or libcurl-dev?
[12:25] <Seveas> Kyral, he's not :)
[12:25] <Nalioth> Kyral: his cousins are all in -unregged, lol
[12:25] <Seveas> selinium, both (althugh the latter should drag in the former)
[12:25] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers
[12:26] <CookedGryphon> well fine then, the ones that i want to use, cross platform univers,e , r broken
[12:26] <Seveas> ubuntu universe is not broken.
[12:26] <DVSoftware> CookedGryphon: i've just downloaded 1.6 gb from ubuntu repos
[12:26] <DVSoftware> they're not broken
[12:26] <Kyral> I'm Dist-Upgrading
[12:26] <DVSoftware> Kyral: me too
[12:26] <CookedGryphon> wel then what's wrong with my setup then
[12:27] <CookedGryphon> i'm trying to dl wine package
[12:27] <CookedGryphon> and it won't work
[12:27] <Kyral> I half expect it to break, but thats what the weekend is for!
[12:27] <DVSoftware> what's the error
[12:27] <Seveas> what's the error?
[12:27] <Seveas> lol :)
[12:27] <DVSoftware> Kyral: well, if it break
[12:27] <thoreauputic> CookedGryphon: probably a typo in /etc/apt/sources.list or you screwed up your sources somehow
[12:27] <DVSoftware> i will kill myself
[12:27] <frank23> CookedGryphon, are you using x86?
[12:27] <CookedGryphon> yeah
[12:27] <Kyral> I think X is stable now...
[12:27] <DVSoftware> i don't have backup, and i don't have spare partition
[12:28] <Kyral> Anyone dist-upgrade recently?
[12:28] <frank23> Kyral, I just installed breezy and it seems to work
[12:28] <Kyral> from Colony 3?
[12:28] <frank23> Kyral, I installed it from scratch
[12:28] <frank23> yeas
[12:28] <DVSoftware> Kyral: i've run in dependency problem few minutes before
[12:28] <Kyral> yah, I'm going upgrade
[12:28] <Kyral> then Colony3 if it fails
[12:28] <DVSoftware> forced it however
[12:29] <DVSoftware> we will see
[12:29] <DVSoftware> i always have my ubuntu livecd
[12:29] <Kyral> I'm getting a crappy DL rate
[12:29] <Kyral> like 20 KBps
[12:29] <Kyral> its gonna take all night prolly
[12:29] <DVSoftware> Kyral: i got 250 kb/s
[12:29] <Kyral> fucker
[12:29] <DVSoftware> well
[12:29] <frank23> Kyral, i got up to 450 KB/s
[12:29] <DVSoftware> it's little for my connection
[12:30] <DVSoftware> i can get upto 8mb/s
[12:30] <Kyral> I would be too if the mirror on campus didn't only host Hoary and Warty Repos
[12:30] <Kyral> archive.ubuntu.org?
[12:30] <DVSoftware> Kyral: no max dl rate
[12:31] <DVSoftware> :D
[12:31] <Kyral> yah, my uni is a bitch about downloading stuff
[12:31] <Kyral> I assume you are downloading from a local mirror
[12:31] <Seveas> DVSoftware, yeah, i fon't have lan, just .11b wifi :)
[12:31] <DVSoftware> Seveas: well, rarely i can get max speed
[12:31] <DVSoftware> got 7mb/s max once
[12:32] <sexcopter8000m> heh, Kyral :)
[12:32] <sexcopter8000m> i'm not a bot
[12:32] <Kyral> like I said, I wish my local mirror had up to date Breezy repos
[12:32] <Kyral> but they aren't going to sync them again until the official release
[12:32] <sexcopter8000m> but i do have upgrades sometimes :)
[12:32] <DVSoftware> but the downside of  my ultra fast internet connection is
[12:33] <DVSoftware> daily 1.5 gb transfer limit
[12:33] <DVSoftware> :S
[12:33] <Kyral> good lord is archive.ubuntu.com overloaded or something?
[12:33] <Kyral> I'm down to 10kbps
[12:34] <frank23> Kyral, Actually I'm using the canadian one
[12:34] <frank23> Kyral, you can try that one if you want
[12:34] <Kyral> whats that address?
[12:34] <frank23> ca.archive.ubuntu...
[12:34] <Seveas> ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:34] <Seveas> se.archive is fast too
[12:34] <DVSoftware> it's not overloaded
[12:34] <DVSoftware> 00:35:24 (867.78 KB/s) - `Contents-amd64.gz' saved [8,720,015/8,720,015] 
[12:35] <Kyral> I assume the ca. prefix goes for the security mirrors too, right?
[12:35] <DVSoftware> well upgrade finished
[12:35] <DVSoftware> now pray for me
[12:36] <selinium> Seveas: I did it! Woo Hoo! I am almost a real *nix user!
[12:37] <Seveas> hehe
[12:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: :)
[12:37] <selinium> 8D
[12:38] <Kyral> ...I hate my uni...
[12:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: just don't get carried away and try to recompile X or something ;-)
[12:38] <Kyral> I'm still getting pisspoor rates
[12:39] <selinium> thoreauputic: not on my athlon 900.... no :)
[12:39] <thoreauputic> selinium: ;-)
[12:39] <Seveas> selinium, *g* my athlon 900 is my main compile station :)
[12:39] <frank23> Kyral, probably the uni limiting your bandwidth: "whatever they do online, they're up to no good!"
[12:39] <feugan3333> is security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu included in the apt sources.list by default. I mean is it enabled by default?
[12:39] <Kyral> yah...
[12:40] <Seveas> maybe for breezy..
[12:40] <reagleBRKLN> help: just bought a little laser printer, but can't configure it. cups reads "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing"
[12:40] <robotgeek> yeah, i think even my university is upto no good :)
[12:40] <kevogod> I installed 'linux-image-2.6.11-1-386' for Ubuntu and it locks up the whole system after I login, when the GNOME desktop appears. Are there any known issues with this version that would cause such a problem?
[12:40] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, then do what it says...
[12:40] <selinium> Seveas: My athlon 900 is my main machine. I have a 64bit athlon 3000 at work to play with, but i dont really want to break it just yet!
[12:40] <thoreauputic> kevogod: yes
[12:40] <Seveas> kevogod, 2.6.11 packages are BROKEn and not meant to be used
[12:40] <thoreauputic> kevogod: don't use 2.6.11
[12:40] <Seveas> selinium, *g*
[12:41] <kevogod> OK, thanks for that information. :-)
[12:41] <Kyral> so basically the kernel that Breezy is gonna install is broken?
[12:41] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: can't, I type in my root password and it says authentication failed!
[12:41] <robotgeek> Kyral: breezy uses 2.6.12 ??
[12:41] <DewDude> oh, fun
[12:41] <Kyral> I dunno
[12:41] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, the menus need your password
[12:41] <DewDude> i get to take my linux box out of the house
[12:41] <Seveas> you don't need a root password on ubuntu
[12:41] <DewDude> this should be exciting
[12:41] <kevogod> I assume it is not the same kernel version.
[12:42] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: I have a root password
[12:42] <sexcopter8000m> Kyral: where are you at uni?
[12:42] <Seveas> robotgeek, it does
[12:42] <Kyral> I'm just wondering why its removing 60 some odd packages
[12:42] <Kyral> Clarkson
[12:42] <reagleBRKLN> i like to keep a root shell open
[12:42] <Seveas> jeez
[12:42] <Seveas> talk about bad security...
[12:42] <thoreauputic> reagleBRKLN: you can do sudo -i for a root shell
[12:42] <reagleBRKLN> don't want to argue about whether i should have a root shell, want to print
[12:43] <reagleBRKLN> my security is great :)
[12:43] <Nalioth> DewDude: mounting it in your car?
[12:43] <Kyral> why is this removing VLC?
[12:43] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, then use YOUR password in the menus
[12:43] <DewDude> no
[12:43] <DewDude> i'm goin to my cousins
[12:43] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: doesn't work
[12:43] <DewDude> and...i'm leaving to go to more family members sometime early tomorrow morning...and i don't feel like fighting with his PC tonight
[12:43] <reagleBRKLN> root@rootpwd; reagle@rootpwd; reagle@reaglepwd etc all fail
[12:43] <thoreauputic> reagleBRKLN: then you broke sudo, methinks
[12:43] <DewDude> so i'm taking the iTux
[12:43] <Nalioth> DewDude: oh. thought you was gonna pimp yo' ride with linux power
[12:44] <DewDude> hah
[12:44] <Concord_Dawn> !dist-upgrade
[12:44] <ubotu> Not a clue, Concord_Dawn
[12:44] <reagleBRKLN> thoreauputic: is there a way to back out?
[12:44] <Concord_Dawn> hmm
[12:44] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, did you install with expert or server as boot option?
[12:44] <robotgeek> Kyral: ifu are upgrading to breezy on PPC, vlc is broken!
[12:44] <Concord_Dawn> someone got a linky to how to do the distro upgrade with apt?
[12:44] <Kyral> No! No! Why is this dist-upgrade removing VLC
[12:44] <Kyral> robotgeek, x86
[12:44] <Concord_Dawn> Kyral, because VLC is broken on Breezy.
[12:44] <Kyral> ....
[12:44] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: doen't remember (also, used kubuntu)
[12:44] <Kyral> NOOOOOOOOOOO!
[12:44] <Seveas> !upgrade
[12:44] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:44] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, in the terminal, type: sudo echo foo
[12:45] <Kyral> Oh wait....bored showed me a page on how to compile VLC in Breezy
[12:45] <thoreauputic> !upgrade2breezy
[12:45] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[12:45] <robotgeek> Kyral: linky?
[12:45] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/root> sudo echo foo
[12:45] <reagleBRKLN> foo
[12:45] <Seveas> as NORMAL user
[12:45] <Nalioth> Kyral: yes, don't tease us
[12:45] <Kyral> robotgeek, its somewhere on the Otaku Thread
[12:45] <Chadza> Seveas: Thanks, got me a nice minimalist setup now.
[12:45] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: oh, that fails
[12:45] <Seveas> with which error?
[12:45] <Nalioth> Kyral: is that anywhere pittsburg?
[12:46] <robotgeek> :)
[12:46] <reagleBRKLN> Seveas: if i give it root passwd, it fails, if user passwd it works
[12:46] <Nalioth> Chadza: you're console-only?
[12:46] <Chadza> Ya
[12:46] <thoreauputic> reagleBRKLN: that's right
[12:46] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, that's because sudo needs the USER password
[12:46] <DewDude> its amazing my entire cd collection fits on a brick
[12:46] <Nalioth> Chadza: good man
[12:46] <thoreauputic> !tell reagleBRKLN about root
[12:46] <Chadza> Nalioth: All the clutter/distractions are gone.
[12:46] <Kyral> http://nanocrew.net/?p=129 <----There
[12:46] <Seveas> if that works, the menus (with YOUR password) work too
[12:47] <thoreauputic> reagleBRKLN: this is told you in the install, BTW
[12:47] <Chadza> Anyone know how to run esd from a term and not have to leave that term with just it running?
[12:47] <Seveas> esd &
[12:47] <Nalioth> Chadza: yessir, i showed a friend of mine the light. he's console-only now (no xserver at all)
[12:47] <pussfeller> whats gonna play mms:// streams, and what are they
[12:47] <Nalioth> Chadza: run anything from a terminal and end it with a &
[12:47] <Chadza> *Seveas
[12:47] <Nalioth> Chadza: the & means to run and release the terminal back to you, the user
[12:47] <Chadza> Ah.
[12:47] <DewDude>  well, with any luck...i should be back online in an hour or so
[12:48] <Chadza> Only been on nix for about 2/3 weeks now.
[12:48] <Nalioth> pussfeller: mmsclient
[12:48] <Kyral> okay
[12:48] <DewDude> depends if i can get my cousins computer to peer-to-peer
[12:48] <Nalioth> pussfeller: they are microsoft multimedia streams (wmv, asf, asx)
[12:48] <Kyral> why is this installing KDEBase?
[12:48] <DewDude> which means i get to buy a crossover cable
[12:48] <DewDude> fun
[12:48] <_lui_> hello hello
[12:48] <Nalioth> DewDude: better to buy a cheap switch
[12:48] <_lui_> how can I restore my Ubuntu default Icons??
[12:48] <Kyral> why is the dist-upgrade installing kdebase?
[12:49] <Kyral> and no, I don't run KDE
[12:49] <ccfiel> hello ppl..
[12:49] <_lui_> excuse me, how can I restore my Ubuntu default cursors??
[12:49] <Seveas> Kyral, since a new version of in installed package drags it in as a dependency
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Kyral: did you have kde stuff installed?
[12:49] <Kyral> k3b....
[12:49] <Seveas> _lui_, use gcursor
[12:49] <Nalioth> Kyral: obviously something on your box uses something from kde
[12:49] <DewDude> well
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Kyral: there's your answer
[12:49] <DewDude> i actually have a switch
[12:49] <Kyral> ******
[12:49] <_lui_> thanks Seveas
[12:49] <DewDude> i may just buy a cat5 cable
[12:49] <Seveas> uninstall k3b, dist-upgrade, try to reinstall it
[12:49] <ccfiel> how do i make softlink..i think.. from /dev/ttySHSF0 to /dev/modem?
[12:49] <Kyral> it will just install kdebase then :P
[12:50] <Nalioth> DewDude: that would be my recommendation
[12:50] <ccfiel> how do i make link..i think.. from /dev/ttySHSF0 to /dev/modem?
[12:50] <Kyral> might as well do it now
[12:50] <Seveas> ln -s /dev/ttySHSF0 /dev/modem
[12:50] <DewDude> i'm not 100% this thing works
[12:50] <DewDude> it's not been used in ages
[12:50] <Nalioth> Kyral: just go ahead and install kubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <thoreauputic> ccfiel: that will need sudo too
[12:50] <DewDude> i also don't see a linksys switch just...going bas
[12:50] <DewDude> bad
[12:50] <Kyral> Nalioth, hell no
[12:50] <DewDude> anyway, i must shutdown
[12:50] <DewDude> later
[12:50] <Kyral> the less kde in my system the better
[12:51] <Kyral> K3B > all
[12:52] <Nalioth> does anyone know why the daily images aren't matching their md5s?
[12:52] <Kyral> mm?
[12:52] <Nalioth> aug31 and todays dont match
[12:52] <Kyral> I wouldn't know
[12:52] <Kyral> I'm dist-upgrading
[12:52] <feugan3333> When is the release date for breezy?
[12:52] <Kyral> Oct 16
[12:53] <gn0me> When I run fglrxinfo for my ATI video card.. I get: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:53] <Kyral> !ati
[12:53] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:53] <feugan3333> Ahh, thanks.
[12:53] <feugan3333> Where did you get that info?
[12:53] <Nalioth> Kyral: unfortunately, hoary nor warty will install on my G5 imac. so i cant dist-upgrade
[12:54] <Kyral> feugan3333, I forgot...I was fooling around in the Wiki a week ago and stumbled on it
[12:54] <frank23> what package should I get rid of that will remove all the gnome apps but let kubuntu-desktop there
[12:54] <synd> Nalioth: cuz you suck
[12:54] <Kyral> uhh...
[12:54] <Burgundavia> Kyral, feugan3333 13th actually
[12:54] <Burgundavia> Kyral, feugan3333 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[12:54] <Kyral> you should have started with a Kubuntu disk :P
[12:54] <Kyral> Close enough :P
[12:55] <frank23> Kyral, I know but this is breezy
[12:55] <feugan3333> Yeah I know. I've probabily been to that page too. But can never find it when your actually looking for it.
[12:55] <feugan3333> Thanks Burgundavia.
[12:55] <Kyral> dunno then
[12:55] <Riddell> Kyral: libgtk2.0-0
[12:55] <Kyral> manual removal
[12:55] <Kyral> Riddell, what?
[12:55] <frank23> Ridell ok
[12:55] <dvsoftware> :S
[12:55] <Kyral> I didn't ask the question :P
[12:55] <Kyral> I <3 Gnome
[12:56] <dvsoftware> upgrade process didn't finished
[12:56] <synd> xfce4!
[12:56] <Kyral> eh?
[12:56] <dvsoftware> it stopped
[12:56] <Kyral> howso?
[12:56] <dvsoftware> with error
[12:56] <Kyral> about what?
[12:56] <dvsoftware> i thought it's done
[12:56] <dvsoftware> and rebooted :S
[12:56] <Kyral> Dependency hell?
[12:56] <dvsoftware> Kyral: yeah
[12:56] <dvsoftware> now i've left here without xorg
[12:56] <matthew_w> How would I run a TV out card in Ubuntu?
[12:56] <Kyral> time to take the DPKG jackhammer to it!
[12:57] <dvsoftware> ircing with irssi
[12:57] <Kyral> just AptGet the XOrg package
[12:57] <dvsoftware> and upgrading the rest of packages
[12:59] <Kyral> so anyone know if the NVidia-Glx package works in Breezy yet? :P
[12:59] <dvsoftware> i'm getting errors that locale is missing
[12:59] <dvsoftware> :(
[01:00] <Kyral> for nvidia?
[01:00] <Oewyn> does anyone know where i can get some info on the new version of xsupplicant's .conf files... my config file broke in the upgrade.
[01:00] <dvsoftware> Kyral: no
[01:00] <matthew_w> Yeah
[01:00] <matthew_w> Nvidia
[01:00] <dvsoftware> ah that
[01:00] <Kyral> matthew, NFI
[01:00] <Kyral> !tv
[01:00] <ubotu> No idea, Kyral
[01:00] <Kyral> ...
[01:00] <matthew_w> Kyral; NFI?
[01:00] <Kyral> No F***ing Idea
[01:00] <Kyral> !nvidia
[01:00] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:00] <Kyral> try that, I'm sorry
[01:01] <matthew_w> S'ok!
[01:01] <Kyral> Search the Forums
[01:01] <Kyral> ....I should get around to trying out my S-Video out port....
[01:03] <reagleBRKLN> well, i disabled root login, `sudo adduser cupsys shadow; sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart` as recommended in http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=14873
[01:03] <reagleBRKLN> can now access admin functions through web
[01:03] <Kyral> You are talkin' greek to me pal
[01:05] <Kyral> and it seems the this Dist-Upgrade is removing Firefox.....why!
[01:05] <mumbles> back
[01:06] <yonkel-lappy> i am having some trouble with ubuntu on a laptop. i can get x to show up on an external monitor but not in the integrated lcd. is there something i am doing wrong?
[01:06] <Kyral> BAD! BAD! NO REMOVE FIREFOX!
[01:07] <IceDC571> anyone know a guide tutorial on grip?
[01:07] <gantchev> bye
[01:11] <chiddy> yonkel-lappy, what kind of laptop are you using and what kind of video card does it have?
[01:11] <gn0me> When I hit logout /w 12
[01:12] <gn0me> it hangs for like 30-40 seconds
[01:12] <gn0me> in gnome. :-\
[01:12] <zjd> did i screw up during the installation, or does ubuntu not give you root acces besides 'sudo'?
[01:12] <Kyral> you got it right
[01:12] <Nalioth> zjd: ubuntu does not use root
[01:12] <yonkel-lappy> chiddy: dell inspiron 6000 with an intel 900 graphics accelerator
[01:12] <Kyral> only through sudo
[01:12] <dvsoftware> what a mess
[01:13] <dvsoftware> :S
[01:13] <Nalioth> !tell zjd about sudo
[01:13] <gn0me> But if you wanted a root terminal, you can just sudo bash or something.
[01:13] <zjd> i know what and hwo to use sudo
[01:13] <Kyral> and please don't ask me how to enable root login because I will beat you
[01:13] <bytefoo> you can just do
[01:13] <bytefoo> sudo su
[01:13] <bytefoo> :|
[01:13] <bytefoo> and tada root :|
[01:13] <dvsoftware> who needs root?
[01:13] <dvsoftware> !root
[01:13] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:13] <zjd> i dont know if i like not having root access
[01:13] <chiddy> yonkel-lappy, rrrrgh, i don't know much about setting up dual displays on anything but nvidia, but i'll look around and let you know if I figure something out. In the mean time, if you can upload your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file somewhere it would be helpful
[01:14] <Kyral> zjd, you do
[01:14] <dvsoftware> zjd
[01:14] <Kyral> through sudo
[01:14] <dvsoftware> sudo -i
[01:14] <Kyral> dvsoftware, shaddup, we don't want everyone running around as root
[01:14] <dvsoftware> :D
[01:14] <zjd> yeah, but i sometimes don't want to type... sudo root, Enter Password: every 3 minutes
[01:14] <Kyral> this is one of the big reasons XP is so damn hackable
[01:14] <zjd> this seems a little macosxish to me
[01:15] <Kyral> and there is anything wrong with that? :D
[01:15] <yonkel-lappy> chiddy: it's not a dual display. i just can't get x to start on the lcd. it gives me a blank screen
[01:15] <gn0me> osx is sexy!
[01:15] <Nalioth> zjd: you do have root access, just not through a root account
[01:15] <flugh> geezus, emacs sucks
[01:15] <bytefoo> yah, and only that first account
[01:15] <zjd> ok, it is like osx heh
[01:15] <bytefoo> unless you add more :X
[01:15] <Kyral> if you keep hitting sudo it shouldn't require a password every 3 minutes
[01:15] <zjd> i have my beloved root!
[01:15] <FatDarrel> dvsoftware, you can always have sudo not accept passwords :) and also you can create a root user who has a passwd and always keep that shell open
[01:15] <chiddy> yonkel-lappy, oh so even if you have the external monitor disconnected the lcd is blank?
[01:15] <zjd> root@silver/ #:
[01:15] <zjd> yay!
[01:15] <gn0me> :D
[01:15] <gn0me> \o/
[01:15] <FatDarrel> Kyral, change the sudo time out value to
[01:15] <Kyral> *groan*
[01:15] <FatDarrel> 3 days :)
[01:15] <yonkel-lappy> chiddy: yes.
[01:15] <Kyral> No thanks
[01:16] <bytefoo> :X:
[01:16] <Kyral> I use root as little as possible
[01:16] <gn0me> The only time you ever NEED root is for a few things. :-\
[01:16] <bytefoo> i need it all the time :-/
[01:16] <Kyral> in a day its maybe 3 times to update/upgrade
[01:16] <bytefoo> i always get permission errors
[01:16] <RedGhost> why when i try and set a file to default open with program, or do "open with" does it always say "Cannot add application"
[01:16] <gn0me> I use it only for make install
[01:16] <Kyral> bytefoo, you shouldn't need to!
[01:16] <gn0me> and editing xorg.conf
[01:16] <Pickle_Weasel> is there an equalizer program for ubuntu? preferrably a rhythmbox addon?
[01:16] <Kyral> gn0me, you don't NEED make install
[01:16] <Kyral> apt!!
[01:16] <Kyral> APT!!
[01:16] <bytefoo> :/
[01:17] <bytefoo> i needed it for mad wifi drivers
[01:17] <gn0me> Yeah, but if there's no copy in the repository, I get sad.
[01:17] <bytefoo> and aircrack, and kismet
[01:17] <bytefoo> etc
[01:17] <chiddy> yonkel-lappy: is there anyway for you to upload your xorg.conf anywhere, it would help to look at it.
[01:17] <bytefoo> because hoary was too old
[01:17] <bytefoo> so all make install or build from breezy source :|
[01:17] <bytefoo> and all that shizzle needs root :|
[01:17] <yonkel-lappy> chiddy: ok give me a second and i'll be back
[01:17] <Kyral> see, I make Bash Alias so its call one command
[01:17] <Nalioth> gn0me: "make install" you are so yesterday.... 'checkinstall' is the new "make install" lol
[01:18] <Kyral> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade turn into aptUI
[01:18] <Nalioth> Kyral: i have many aliases, and that's why i cant use anyone elses puter
[01:18] <Kyral> hehehe
[01:18] <Kyral> I did that today
[01:18] <zjd> does any debian package source work with ubuntu, or should i not cross-breed my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:18] <bytefoo> keep them on a usb key :/
[01:18] <Kyral> told a guy to type "debI <package>" 'cause thats my alias for sudo dpkg -i
[01:18] <Kyral> no cross breeding!
[01:19] <bytefoo> no is not correct
[01:19] <bytefoo> bad is a little more correct ;)
[01:19] <bytefoo> :D
[01:19] <zjd> so only use ubuntu sources?
[01:19] <Kyral> shaddup!
[01:19] <Kyral> zjd yes
[01:19] <gn0me> ooh! drop shadows!
[01:19] <zjd> what happens when they don't have packages you want....?
[01:19] <bytefoo> did you add universe and multiverse?
[01:19] <Kyral> You can ask for a backport...
[01:19] <CookedGryphon> or they don't download
[01:19] <Kyral> !backports!
[01:19] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[01:20] <bytefoo> umm backports are just updates dude
[01:20] <bytefoo> :-/
[01:20] <Kyral> actually not
[01:20] <Kyral> !extras!
[01:20] <ubotu> I guess extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:20] <transparentdream> can i get help with HPLIP?
[01:21] <bytefoo> and worst comes to worse you find the deb and install it from freshrpms or somethin :-/
[01:21] <bytefoo> or worst comes to worse comes to worse you build it :(
[01:21] <Kyral> just stick to the Ubuntu repos
[01:21] <CookedGryphon> is tehre any picassa style program for organising photos in linux?
[01:21] <Kyral> you CAN build it from Breezy source if you want
[01:21] <bytefoo> if its there
[01:22] <dvsoftware> i afraid that my system i so borked
[01:22] <zjd> sweet, that multiverse thing worked
[01:22] <zjd> i see my packages!
[01:22] <bytefoo> =D
[01:22] <dvsoftware> but... I'LL FIX IT!
[01:22] <dvsoftware> god damnit
[01:22] <Kyral> 90% of the stuff people want is in the Universe/Multiverse/Backports/Extras
[01:22] <bytefoo> yah
[01:22] <Kyral> we can't be perfect....yet :P
[01:22] <transparentdream> Question: Trying to install HPLIP, but when i try to ./configure it says no acceptable C compiler in $PATH
[01:23] <Kyral> Whats HPLIP?
[01:23] <bytefoo> i think you have to sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:23] <dvsoftware> ahh :) aptitude is in da haus
[01:23] <transparentdream> program that enables HP officejet through USB
[01:23] <bytefoo> to install gcc and such
[01:23] <Quinthius> transparentdream: have you installed gcc? (build-essential)
[01:23] <gn0me> If I remove the Ubuntu CD as a repository.. will the stuff from the CD be accessed from the other repositories?
[01:23] <transparentdream> uhh...
[01:23] <bytefoo> yes gn0me
[01:23] <gn0me> k.
[01:23] <Kyral> transparentdream, have you tried to plug it in and selecting "New Printer"?
[01:23] <transparentdream> yes, i have tried
[01:24] <zjd> anyone know how i can kick my other "nick" off..? ( i am logged in at work still)
[01:24] <transparentdream> it does not rexognize
[01:24] <Kyral> okay
[01:24] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:24] <dvsoftware> well, i think aptitude fixed dependency problem
[01:24] <bytefoo> is your nick registered?
[01:24] <transparentdream> kk lemme try
[01:24] <bytefoo> if so you just /msg nickserv ghost nickname password
[01:25] <Kyral> I am so glad I don't use Aptitude
[01:25] <zdennis> thanks bytefoo
[01:25] <kevogod> Will CDs of Breezy be sent to me if I do not touch my Shipit account from when I requested CDs of Hoary?
[01:25] <Pickle_Weasel> is there an equalizer program for ubuntu? preferrably a rhythmbox addon?
[01:25] <transparentdream> Kyral, was it supposed to ask me for a cd?
[01:25] <Pickle_Weasel> sound equalizer*
[01:25] <Kyral> ack!
[01:25] <zdennis> any ruby users here?
[01:25] <reiki> !Alsa
[01:25] <ubotu> I heard alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:25] <Kyral> comment out the CDROM repo in your sources.list and then update
[01:26] <bytefoo> maybe someone can tell me why i'm forced to use esound for the output plugin in xmms?
[01:26] <Kyral> and did I really need to reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop before this Dist-Upgrade?
[01:26] <bytefoo> xmms just freezes with oss selected :|
[01:26] <Kyral> install the ALSA plugin
[01:26] <dvsoftware> Kyral: i didn't do that o_O
[01:27] <Kyral> I was talking to bytefoo
[01:27] <bytefoo> ahh
[01:27] <bytefoo> that makes sense o_O
[01:27] <zdennis> anyone know if you can install different wallpapers to each monitor when running Xinerama, and stretching out the desktops?
[01:27] <dvsoftware> well i hope i didn't borked my system :S
[01:27] <andrewski> is there any way to copy a group of subdirectories but have them maintain their hierarchy?  like selected subdirs of /usr and selected subdirs of /opt?
[01:27] <Kyral> cp -r
[01:28] <Drajka> I'm trying to update my gfx drivers...
[01:28] <andrewski> Kyral: no, i don't want all of /usr, just (say) /usr/share and /usr/foo.
[01:28] <Drajka> i already downloaded the pack from the nvidia web site.. linux, amd54bit
[01:28] <Nalioth> zdennis: you should be able to
[01:28] <Drajka> But...
[01:28] <Drajka> er... amd 64
[01:28] <Kyral> then you should do multiple cps
[01:28] <Drajka> it's saying ti need to close X server before I can install
[01:28] <Drajka> o.O
[01:28] <Kyral> ie, cp /foo/foo2
[01:29] <andrewski> Kyral: well, when all's said and done, i may have a lot of dirs to copy: just got a new music player and want to copy some albums from each artist, but not all.
[01:29] <andrewski> Kyral: so a batch cp would be ideal: 20G will take all night, i reckon.
[01:30] <kevogod> Does using Ubuntu increase your awareness of the world, universe, and humanity?
[01:30] <Kyral> do it in all one command
[01:30] <bob2> just use rsync
[01:30] <bob2> kevogod: no, it's just a nice OS
[01:30] <bob2> with judicious use of the --ignore flag
[01:30] <andrewski> bob2: lol
[01:30] <andrewski> bob2: so rsync is where i should look?
[01:30] <Kyral> !ubutu tell transparentdream about backports!
[01:30] <ubotu> Kyral: What?
[01:30] <Kyral> !ubutu tell transparentdream about backports
[01:30] <ubotu> Kyral: I don't know
[01:30] <Kyral> !ubotu tell transparentdream about backports
[01:31] <bob2> andrewski: yes
[01:31] <bob2> Kyral: please?
[01:31] <transparentdream> thx
[01:31] <Kyral> eh?
[01:31] <andrewski> bob2: ok, will check out; thanks.  (you always seem to have the answers!)
[01:31] <bob2> any quesion that involves copying large amounts of anything has an answer involving rsync
[01:31] <Nalioth> Kyral: enough already, i think transparentdream got the picture
[01:31] <Kyral> I know nothing abotu rsync :P
[01:31] <andrewski> bob2: lol
[01:31] <gn0me> I am sad.  Every time I log into gnome it takes around three minutes. :-(
[01:31] <andrewski> Kyral: me either, surprise.
[01:32] <bytefoo> :(
[01:32] <Drajka> I'm trying to update my gfx drivers...
[01:32] <bytefoo> it must be hanging on something, check your logs :|
[01:32] <Drajka> i already downloaded the pack from the nvidia web site.. linux, amd64bit
[01:32] <Drajka> it's saying ti need to close X server before I can install
[01:32] <gn0me> Yeah, was just going to ask where I can view the output
[01:32] <bob2> Drajka: a) it's a lie, b) you're better off using the nvidia drivers that come with ubuntu, c) sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[01:32] <bytefoo> not sure, but i would guess one of the files in /var/log/
[01:32] <gn0me> aha, found it.
[01:33] <bytefoo> dunno if it would be X or gnome or what tho
[01:33] <gn0me> Thank you.
[01:33] <Kyral> !apt
[01:33] <ubotu> well, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[01:33] <dvsoftware> bob2: well
[01:33] <dvsoftware> ubuntu nvidia drivers
[01:33] <Drajka> hrm... Well, I need to change the refresh rate.
[01:34] <dvsoftware> won't work for me
[01:34] <Drajka> And it isn't lettting me. ;/
[01:34] <Kyral> !ubotu tell transparentdream about apt
[01:34] <bob2> dvsoftware: which bug # is your report?
[01:34] <dvsoftware> i didn't reported it :$
[01:34] <dvsoftware> but i got just blank screen after installing nvidia-glx
[01:35] <Nalioth> Kyral: you know you can /msg the bot and get all that done, right?
[01:35] <dvsoftware> nvidia geforce 440 go
[01:35] <Kyral> well, I guess the nvidia-glx package is busted still....
[01:35] <andrewski> bob2: so there's not going to be a GUI/DND way for this, eh?
[01:35] <bob2> no
[01:35] <Kyral> which means I get to compile the module myself!
[01:35] <bob2> wtf
[01:35] <bob2> how on earth would that help?
[01:35] <Kyral> hmm?
[01:36] <bob2> andrewski: what would a gui that let yo udo this look like?
[01:36] <bob2> Kyral: blank screen sounds very much like a minor refresh rate problem
[01:36] <bob2> do you have reason to believe otherwise?
[01:36] <Kyral> or that...
[01:36] <dvsoftware> bob2: well
[01:36] <Drajka> bob2,
[01:36] <dvsoftware> with nvidia drivers
[01:36] <dvsoftware> official
[01:36] <Drajka> What can I do about my refresh rate
[01:36] <Drajka> Im about to stab out my eyes
[01:36] <bytefoo> rysnc is the sweet
[01:36] <dvsoftware> it works fine
[01:36] <Kyral> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:36] <bytefoo> you specify it in xorg.conf i think :|
[01:36] <bytefoo> or that :-/
[01:36] <dvsoftware> with SAME xorg.conf
[01:36] <andrewski> bob2: a treeview filemanager in which i select multiple directories under /music and it copies them to a specified destination.
[01:36] <Drajka> i tried to do that
[01:36] <bob2> dvsoftware: then file a bug already
[01:36] <Drajka> i tried
[01:37] <Drajka> It dosen't take it
[01:37] <Drajka> i tell it to go at 75hz
[01:37] <dvsoftware> bob2: i'll do it
[01:37] <bob2> then file a bug as well
[01:37] <Drajka> it boots at 60
[01:37] <andrewski> bob2: or a FM with the notable addition of a 'retain folder hierarchy' option. :-D
[01:37] <bob2> and then read the wiki
[01:37] <dvsoftware> when i finish upgrading
[01:38] <Nalioth> does anyone have any idea why the md5s aren't matching the dailies? not for aug31 or today
[01:38] <bytefoo> corrupted download
[01:38] <bob2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?
[01:39] <Nalioth> bytefoo: incomplete download is what it looks like
[01:40] <bytefoo> probably
[01:40] <yonkel> chiddy, i cannot get the laptop to connect to the network either wirelessly or through the lan
[01:40] <bytefoo> 99% of the time its something corrupted or incomplete
[01:40] <bytefoo> the other 1% is bad news bads :X
[01:40] <yonkel> chiddy, it looks like both eth0 (lan) and eth1 (wifi) are disabled somehow
[01:41] <Nalioth> bytefoo: both wget and curl report "complete" d/l but when i look at the file (comparing the torrent hash with gtorrentviewer) there's lots missing
[01:41] <bytefoo> oooh torrents
[01:41] <chiddy> okay, did you set them up in Gnome? You have to go to System > Administration > Networking, select the interface, click on Properties, check off this device is configured, select DHCP, click OK, then activate the card
[01:42] <chiddy> yonkel or open up terminal and try: sudo ifup eth0
[01:43] <yonkel> chiddy, tried it on both ifaces and got nothing
[01:43] <Nalioth> bytefoo: no torrents (nobody seeding the daily ppc image), i just compared the hash in the .torrent to what i d/l (that wget said was complete)
[01:43] <chiddy> yonkel: i think the 6000 uses the same broadcom lan card my 9300 has and it should work out of the box on ubuntu, that is strange
[01:43] <Octane> anyone know how to change my country?
[01:43] <Octane> it says "Moscow"
[01:43] <Octane> and 3:43 am
[01:44] <Octane> New orleans blogger: ed over the vast expanses of water that form the world's oceans.
[01:44] <Octane> oops
[01:44] <Octane> http://ernieattorney.typepad.com/
[01:45] <Octane> oops wrong channel
[01:45] <yonkel> yes. kde network settings are telling me that the devices are disabled and it won't let me use the administrator features because it doesn't do anything after i type my password into the prompt....is there some ubuntu specific way of enabling hardware?
[01:45] <yonkel> preferably from the cli
[01:45] <bytefoo> hmm
[01:45] <chiddy> yonkel: so your using KDE and not Gnome?
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> you're
[01:46] <chiddy> HrdwrBoB, if that's intended towards my bad english :P
[01:46] <bytefoo> maybe it was modified somehow Naolith
[01:46] <bytefoo> like the compression or so
[01:47] <yonkel> chiddy, yes. kde not gnome
[01:47] <Nalioth> bytefoo: i'm not sure what happned
[01:47] <Nalioth> did it yesterday the same
[01:47] <yonkel> chiddy, kubuntu
[01:47] <chiddy> yonkel, okay let me see how to do it through the terminal
[01:47] <bytefoo> well does it work?
[01:47] <JRlinux> I want both Gnome and KDE.  Should I install kubuntu and apt-get gnome or install ubuntu and apt-get KDE?  Does it matter?
[01:48] <chiddy> JRlinux, shouldn't matter
[01:48] <selinium> how do i create a symlink?
[01:48] <JRlinux> chiddy, OK, thanks
[01:48] <bytefoo> ln
[01:48] <Kyral> ln -s <source> <target>
[01:48] <Nalioth> selinium: ln -s
[01:48] <Concord_Dawn> Does anyone here happen to know a free DVD burning program for Linux?
[01:49] <Kyral> K3b....Gnomebaker....
[01:49] <Kyral> and this is Linux, everything is free :D
[01:49] <JRlinux> Concord_Dawn, i LOVE k3b; have used it for many many CDs and DVD
[01:49] <Nalioth> Concord_Dawn: several, k3b is best, but graveman, gnomebaker, gcombust, blah blah
[01:49] <selinium> Cheer Nalioth, by the way while I had nautilus and ssh open to the remote server, issueing a shutdown did close the remote machine aswell
[01:49] <chiddy> yonkel, not sure if this will work, but open up konsole and type: sudo ifconfig eth0 dynamic up
[01:49] <matthew_w> !nvidia
[01:49] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:50] <yonkel> chiddy, will do
[01:50] <Concord_Dawn> Cheers Nalioth
[01:50] <Nalioth> selinium: you issued the "shutdown" command on your box, and the other machine went down, too?
[01:50] <Concord_Dawn> Now, can anyone tell me how to change Gnome's splash screen?
[01:50] <Kyral> there is an FAQ on art.gnome.org
[01:50] <selinium> Nalioth: yep, i had to drive to the office to restart it.
[01:50] <Nalioth> selinium: you got major security problems, then
[01:51] <selinium> Nalioth: both machines have the same user:password ie me
[01:51] <Nalioth> selinium: doestn matter. the machine you're logged into should ignore any commands passed to your local machine
[01:52] <selinium> Nalioth: I havent done anything strange? I set up a shared key, would that have had any affect?
[01:52] <flugh> ive done something like that before, but was just my not realizing what computer i was logged into at the time. so i started changing my bash prompt color based ont he host
[01:53] <yonkel> chiddy, nothing. not even output.
[01:53] <Nalioth> selinium: the remote machine should only obey commands you pass to it in its ssh session
[01:53] <JRlinux> I have a Compaq AMD64.  I download Ubuntu 5.04 ?  It is 64 friendly?
[01:53] <flugh> i did a 'reboot', and the friggin 'main server' went down, not the workstation i was sitting at (but was ssh'd to the main server)
[01:53] <Nalioth> flugh: Surprise!
[01:54] <flugh> Nalioth, yeah, hehe, thank god it was a weekend and nobody was around to catch me ;)
[01:54] <selinium> Nalioth: I understand what you are saying. I am just trying to find out why :)
[01:54] <Nalioth> all my boxen have distinctive machine names
[01:54] <Nalioth> selinium: yes, we want to know
[01:54] <yonkel> chiddy, does ubuntu use the /etc/network/interfaces file like normal? maybe there is something in there
[01:55] <bob2> it does
[01:55] <chiddy> yonkel, i have no idea i've never had a problem where i can't activate the network in ubuntu... but htat file should be standard between kubuntu and ubuntu
[01:56] <selinium> Nalioth: I just went through the standard system/log out/shutdown on my local machine. But i had ssh open and nautilus both locally and remote open. In the keyring.
[01:56] <selinium> there should be a comma after nautilus
[01:56] <selinium> :P
[01:56] <dvsoftware> anyone using kde should check metatheme kde style/windows decoration
[01:56] <dvsoftware> it has abilty to load windows msstyles files
[01:57] <chiddy> yonkel, you already tried going to K > Control Center > Internet & Network > Network Settings > Administrator Mode > Select Network Interfaces (eth0) > Enable Interface, right?
[01:58] <yonkel> chiddy, i got it to work from /etc/network/interfaces by adding an entry for eth0
[01:58] <yonkel> apt-getting xchat now and i'll see you from there and explain my issue
[01:58] <yonkel> chiddy, thank you so much for the help
[01:58] <chiddy> okay, see you then
[01:58] <gn0me> Anyone know any good way to sync an ftp dir with a local one?
[01:59] <bob2> use rsync
[01:59] <bob2> presumably you have ssh to them both
[01:59] <dvsoftware> bob2: and how without sshing
[01:59] <bob2> you wouldn't
[02:00] <dvsoftware> damn
[02:00] <bob2> I can't think of a non-warez situation where you'd need to do that
[02:00] <bob2> otoh, apt-cache search fxp
[02:00] <dvsoftware> i have to mirror a copy of my web site ftp
[02:00] <dvsoftware> for backup purposes
[02:01] <bob2> oh, just copy it locally?
[02:01] <bob2> wget -r will do that
[02:01] <dvsoftware> because i allready lost my data
[02:01] <dvsoftware> once
[02:01] <dvsoftware> -r ?
[02:01] <dvsoftware> and not -m ?
[02:01] <matthew_w> Hey there guys
[02:02] <matthew_w> I set up the nvidia drivers, etc... now my question is, does anyone know anything about tv-out?  Because my OpenGL runs better now, but still no TV out support
[02:02] <QMario> Bob2, how can I run my Java programs?
[02:02] <bob2> so
[02:02] <Nalioth> bob2: wget -r will copy the whole internet, if he's got links from the page (til it fills his HD)
[02:02] <bob2> that questoin sucks
[02:02] <douglasc> hi all. i'm using ubutu 5.04 and i can only use the 640x480 resolution. how can i change this?
[02:02] <bob2> did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/Java yet?
[02:02] <Nalioth> dvsoftware: you want wget -r -np -L <URL>
[02:02] <QMario> Bob2, yes.
[02:02] <bob2> Nalioth: on an ftp server?
[02:03] <QMario> media/usbdisk/HelloWorld.class not found in [file:/usr/share/java/gnujaxp.jar, file:/media/usbdisk/./] 
[02:03] <QMario>    at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass (URLClassLoader.java:748)
[02:03] <QMario>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:359)
[02:03] <QMario>    at java.lang.ClassLoader$1.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:1282)
[02:03] <QMario>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:303)
[02:03] <QMario>    at java.lang.VirtualMachine.main (VirtualMachine.java:83)
[02:03] <Nalioth> bob2: i should learn to read, eh?
[02:03] <dvsoftware> Nalioth: hm, i want to copy ftp
[02:03] <dvsoftware> QMario: don't do that
[02:03] <QMario> That is my error.
[02:03] <QMario> Dvsoftware, what is the limit for pasting lines?
[02:03] <Nalioth> dvsoftware: then bob sent you the right variable
[02:03] <dvsoftware> QMario: use pastebin for flooding
[02:04] <intelikey> what file prevents root login into ub gui ?
[02:04] <bob2> QMario: you need to show the command you ran too
[02:04] <Nalioth> QMario: 2 lines, please
[02:04] <QMario> java /media/usbdisk/HelloWorld.class
[02:04] <dvsoftware> !tell intelikey about root
[02:04] <yonkel> chiddy, ok here i am
[02:04] <QMario> Nalioth, okay. :(
[02:04] <durt> douglasc: did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[02:04] <transparentdream> Uh, can someone help with CUPS?
[02:04] <intelikey> what file prevents root login into ub gui ?
[02:04] <dvsoftware> hm
[02:04] <dvsoftware> !root
[02:04] <bob2> I'm pretty sure that's not how you run java programs
[02:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:04] <intelikey> what file prevents root login into ub gui ?
[02:04] <bob2> intelikey: gdm, why do you want to disable it?
[02:05] <yonkel> i am typing on my laptop keyboard and view it on an external monitor
[02:05] <bob2> please don't repeat
[02:05] <douglasc> durt: nope, i'll try it right now
[02:05] <intelikey> bob2 /etc/gdm ?
[02:05] <chiddy> yonkel: i'm still here, did you get xorg.conf uploaded?
[02:05] <bob2> QMario: you'll need to find a java tutorial or something to show you how to run it
[02:05] <yonkel> chiddy, let me do that now
[02:05] <QMario> !Botsnack
[02:05] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[02:05] <intelikey> no such file...
[02:05] <bob2> QMario: I'm almostr certain you need to pass a class name, not a file
[02:05] <bob2> intelikey: why are you trying to do this?
[02:05] <intelikey> bob2 because i want to
[02:06] <transparentdream> I can;t load up CUPS at http://localhost:631 for some reason. cupsys in installed, so what's wrong?
[02:06] <bob2> transparentdream: yes, it's disabled; use the gnome tool.
[02:06] <bob2> intelikey: good luck!
[02:06] <Nalioth> transparentdream: is your cups daemon running?
[02:06] <bob2> transparentdream: (system -> admin -> printing)
[02:06] <intelikey> or is ubuntu the os for the people that will do what mine furror says ?
[02:06] <transparentdream> i dont know...
[02:07] <chiddy> transparentdream, try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[02:07] <transparentdream> the CUPS server could not be contacted
[02:07] <transparentdream> ok
[02:07] <bob2> intelikey: oh, stop it
[02:07] <douglasc> durt: what should i do next?
[02:07] <bob2> transparentdream: as above, the web interface is disabled
[02:07] <Nalioth> bob2: i think my knowledge on some things is real old
[02:07] <matthew_w> I wonder if the bot will get fat.
[02:07] <matthew_w> !botsnack
[02:07] <ubotu> thanks matthew_w :)
[02:08] <transparentdream> works now
[02:08] <transparentdream> Thx :)
[02:08] <bob2> I don't think the web interface was even enabled in warty preview
[02:08] <yonkel> chiddy, http://www.bluefacemonkey.com/personal/xorg.conf
[02:09] <transparentdream> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing. WHY IS IT DISABLED???
[02:09] <durt> douglasc: you went through the questions and selected the resolutions and video drivers you want?
[02:09] <transparentdream> **from the CUPS site
[02:09] <douglasc> durt: yes
[02:09] <chiddy> yonkel: i'll look it over.. brb
[02:09] <Concord_Dawn> transgress, for security reasons? As it says in the line you just pasted?
[02:09] <bob2> transparentdream: how would you login without a root password?
[02:09] <intelikey> dvsoftware you sujested that root is disabled in ubuntu.   (via the bot) the only disabling of root is that the passwd is not set by defaule.   sudo passwd  fixes that minor oversite.
[02:09] <bob2> "oversight"
[02:09] <chiddy> yonkel, i think i know what hte problem is, i hope :)
[02:10] <matthew_w> Anyone know anything about TV-Out, incidentally?
[02:10] <Drajka> Can someone help me get the large (around 16000 pack) list of files on the Synaptic Package Manager?
[02:10] <bob2> transparentdream: if the gnome tool doesn't work for you, please do file a bug
[02:10] <bob2> Drajka: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepoistoryHowto
[02:10] <transparentdream> ok
[02:10] <durt> douglasc: maybe you dont have your video drivers installed properly
[02:10] <chiddy> yonkel: look at Section "Device" and find the Driver "i810" line.... that the i810 to vesa
[02:10] <transparentdream> how do i file a bug/
[02:10] <bob2> transparentdream: what doesn't work for you with the gnome tool?
[02:10] <Drajka> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists.
[02:10] <chiddy> yonkel: that the i810 = change the i810...
[02:10] <Drajka> =x
[02:11] <Nalioth> !tell Drajka about source
[02:11] <yonkel> chiddy, but that is the proper driver
[02:11] <transparentdream> it won't recognize my printer even though it's a USB printer!
[02:12] <bob2> Drajka: and when you read the page, it has a list of similarly-named ones, one of which is the one I meant
[02:12] <Concord_Dawn> transparentdream, have you tried installing drivers?
[02:12] <chiddy> yonkel: well if i read correctly, the inspiron 6000 uses the i915 integrated card that is not supported by xorg 6.8.2 the version used by ubuntu, so that driver is actually incorrect... i think the new xorg in CVS is supposed to have the correct driver for the i915
[02:12] <transparentdream> uh...how?
[02:12] <Concord_Dawn> by Googling?
[02:12] <Concord_Dawn> google "name of printer" drivers linux
[02:13] <chiddy> yonkel: vesa is more of a generic driver, but if it works then you may just have to wait until the new version of xorg is released
[02:13] <yonkel> chiddy, it's worth a shot. the laptoptesting team entry on the wiki says it worked fine tho
[02:13] <bob2> wtf
[02:13] <transparentdream> ok lemme try
[02:13] <bob2> transparentdream: what model printer is it?
[02:13] <transparentdream> hp officejet k80
[02:14] <intelikey> bob2 yes oversight,  as in having an overseer.  some one watching over what i do with my software.   if i want root disabled i know how to do that. (console mode)  but i do not yet know where the 'dictators file' that locks out gui login of root is.
[02:14] <bob2> wtf
[02:14] <bob2> stop being such a prat
[02:14] <intelikey> prat ?
[02:14] <Concord_Dawn> intelikey, System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[02:14] <durt> yeah whats a "prat"?
[02:14] <Concord_Dawn> intelikey, prat is an idiot.
[02:15] <bimberi> transparentdream: hoary has drivers for that printer, have you tried those?
[02:15] <transparentdream> yes, it does not recognize my printer!! what should i do?
[02:15] <intelikey> Concord_Dawn ty    that should help me find it.      prat ? what language ?
[02:16] <bimberi> transparentdream: "does not recognise"? what do you mean?
[02:16] <bob2> intelikey: English
[02:16] <intelikey> hmmm i've never heard it said before.
[02:16] <transparentdream> when i plug in my printer via USB, shouldn't it show up in the detected printers menu?
[02:17] <bob2> no
[02:17] <bimberi> no
[02:17] <transparentdream> oh...
[02:17] <transparentdream> well let me try agin then..
[02:17] <bob2> it might perhaps show up in the "add printer" "detected printer" list
[02:17] <chiddy> yonkel, how old is your laptop and do you happen to know what version the bios is?
[02:17] <bob2> if not, file a bug and use the manual thing
[02:17] <intelikey> warning     i'll bbl
[02:17] <Gorth> !multimedia
[02:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[02:18] <bimberi> r4ndy: you need to cut short your post, it's too big
[02:18] <bimberi> just missed :)
[02:18] <bimberi> r4ndy: you need to cut short your post, it's too big
[02:19] <chiddy> yonkel: here's something that might be interesting - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44426
[02:19] <gn0me> Is there any default "play a wav" prog?
[02:20] <bob2> play will
[02:20] <gn0me> Because my gaim used to play sounds, now it doesn't.. but there's a little "command" option for sounds.
[02:20] <bob2> so should rhythmbox
[02:20] <bob2> that's more likely to be due to esd
[02:20] <gn0me> Some command-line one.
[02:20] <chiddy> yonkel: apparantly people have to use vesa for bios revision higher than A06 and A07, but i810 should work with bios A05... your bios could be too new
[02:20] <gn0me> I tried "aplay" but they don't like.. uhh.. overlap.  So it'll go in queue rather than overlap.
[02:21] <Concord_Dawn> transparentdream, part is British slang.
[02:21] <DewDude> it's nice having my entire system in a form that's easier to carry around
[02:21] <bob2> they won't overlap unless you get everything using dmix
[02:21] <Concord_Dawn> ah
[02:21] <bob2> installing esound-clients will probably get you a esd-aware wav player
[02:21] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, Rythymbox is already that.
[02:22] <bob2> yeah
[02:22] <DewDude> yay
[02:22] <floe> hi all
[02:22] <bob2> but not particularily awesome to have gaim spawning on a regular basis
[02:22] <DewDude> now that ubuntu is up and running
[02:22] <gn0me> Yeah.. hmm.
[02:22] <DewDude> i can use my cousins POS PC to burn music
[02:23] <floe>  i just installed kernel 2.6.12 k7 from breezy + madwifi drivers. In madwifi the ath-rate.onoe seems to be build for 686. Is that a known issue?
[02:23] <bob2> is it in the BTS?
[02:23] <QMario> Can anyone in this channel successfully run a Java program?
[02:23] <AristoMagnus> sure
[02:23] <AristoMagnus> im running Azureus all the time
[02:24] <popey> QMario: yes
[02:24] <QMario> What is Azureus?
[02:24] <mcphail> Is there any way to install a 'live' ubuntu onto a portable hard disk (e.g. so it will detect hardware / configure X for whatever box it is plugged into)?
[02:24] <AristoMagnus> torrent program
[02:24] <QMario> Popey, how did you set it up?
[02:24] <QMario> !Java
[02:24] <ubotu> from memory, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:24] <popey> sudo apt-get install java-package
[02:24] <QMario> I did that...
[02:25] <bob2> QMario: this is a problem with how you're running the program
[02:25] <popey> and?
[02:25] <Concord_Dawn> Can anyone give me a crash course in setting up Qpopper?
[02:25] <QMario> Bob2, I am doing it the way the textbook says to run it?
[02:25] <popey> QMario: what do you get?
[02:25] <Nalioth> QMario: sure. i run java apps alla time
[02:26] <QMario> Popey, I get errors.
[02:26] <skaja> how do i mount my windows hard drive in ubuntu
[02:26] <QMario> Hold on....
[02:26] <popey> specifically
[02:26] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: why not dovecot?
[02:26] <AristoMagnus> !apt source
[02:26] <ubotu> AristoMagnus: Wish i knew
[02:26] <popey> don't paste them here if they're big
[02:26] <bob2> qoppoer in ubuntu has no security support
[02:26] <AristoMagnus> !apt
[02:26] <ubotu> methinks apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[02:26] <bimberi> !tell skaja about windowsdrives
[02:26] <Nalioth> !tell AristoMagnus about sources
[02:27] <QMario> http://pastebin.com/352388
[02:27] <skaja> i can go online with ubuntu
[02:27] <skaja> i cant
[02:27] <QMario> Nalioth and popey, what commands do you use?
[02:27] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, pardon? What is dovecot?
[02:27] <popey> QMario: that looks like java is working :D
[02:27] <DewDude> you know...the more i use ubuntu...the more i like it
[02:27] <popey> just not the way you want it to
[02:28] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: a very nice imap/pop server
[02:28] <dvsoftware> w00t
[02:28] <Nalioth> QMario: i just run em by their absolutes (got em in my menu)
[02:28] <dvsoftware> successfully upgraded all packages
[02:28] <Nalioth> QMario: or i start em ./javaprogram
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, does it provide compatibility with Postfix?
[02:28] <dvsoftware> rebooting
[02:28] <QMario> Popey, there is an error.
[02:28] <popey> QMario: "java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError" has quite a few hits on google
[02:28] <dvsoftware> pray for me
[02:28] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: that's how I get my mail
[02:28] <Concord_Dawn> That's not the question.
[02:29] <popey> QMario: is the JAVA_HOME environment variable set?
[02:29] <yonkeltron> chiddy: i think i need to call it quits for the evening
[02:29] <skaja> what do i do with this http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[02:29] <AristoMagnus> this one works for you? deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[02:29] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, you still haven't answered my question.
[02:29] <AristoMagnus> !horde
[02:29] <ubotu> No idea, AristoMagnus
[02:29] <chiddy> yonkeltron, okay... see you later
[02:29] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: wtf? of course it works with postfix.
[02:29] <Nalioth> skaja: instructions are included at the top. open it with a text editor and read it
[02:30] <bob2> how could you make a pop3 server incompatible with an mta?
[02:30] <Concord_Dawn> I'm simply asking, mock me not on my ignorance.
[02:30] <skaja> i cant copy thing over to linux
[02:31] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: yes, it is compatible, and "that's how I get my mail" does indeed answer your question
[02:31] <bob2> any MTA is compatible with any pop3 server
[02:31] <QMario> Popey, what is that?
[02:31] <skaja> i could use a floppy
[02:31] <bob2> it may require more or less fiddling, tho
[02:31] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, "That's how I get my mail" doesn't really.
[02:31] <QMario> I don't think so....
[02:31] <QMario> How do I set it?
[02:31] <popey> QMario: an environment variable, type "env" and look see if there's one called JAVA_HOME...?
[02:31] <AristoMagnus> !webmail
[02:31] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, AristoMagnus
[02:31] <dreamie> is there a command to see when a person last spoke?
[02:31] <Concord_Dawn> it implies that you use Dovecot.
[02:31] <bob2> well, I thought it was clear, but anyway
[02:32] <yonkeltron> chiddy: i want to thank you for your help
[02:32] <bob2> I'd strongly recommend using dovecot
[02:32] <Nalioth> AristoMagnus: what are you after?
[02:32] <chiddy> yonkeltron, no problem, happy to help :)
[02:32] <Nalioth> dreamie: not in here
[02:32] <popey> QMario: http://www.dougsparling.com/comp/howto/linux_java.html
[02:32] <Nalioth> dreamie: /whois that person
[02:32] <AristoMagnus> Nalioth: im trying to configure my horde webmail
[02:32] <QMario> Popey, none.
[02:32] <QMario> :(
[02:32] <popey> that's probably why then
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> Nalioth: I see Horde2 and Horde3 install, but not in /var/www
[02:33] <Nalioth> AristoMagnus: on that, you're better off asking uncle google, cuz poor ubotu has no clue
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> hehe i see that ;)
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> im already on google ;)
[02:33] <popey> QMario: you need to find out where java was installed...
[02:33] <popey> QMario: on my machine it's set to JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun
[02:34] <popey> can an op ban that r4ndy guy?
[02:34] <bimberi> seconded
[02:34] <bob2> for having a slightly bouncy connection?
[02:34] <Nalioth> i'm dreading the flood that r4ndy is bringin.. .. ..
[02:34] <popey> he's not bouncing he's joining, flooding/spamming, and being kicked IMO
[02:34] <QMario> Popey, how do I set it?
[02:34] <bimberi> "Excess Flood" = bouncy connection?
[02:35] <bob2> where is he flooding or spamming?
[02:35] <skaja> oh root can be turned on
[02:35] <bob2> yes
[02:35] <bimberi> no-one, only attempting
[02:35] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:36] <popey> QMario: mine is set in /etc/bash.bashrc
[02:36] <popey> JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun
[02:36] <popey> export JAVA_HOME
[02:36] <bob2> r4ndy appears to just be annoying, not malicious
[02:37] <matthew_w> What's a good terminal?
[02:37] <bob2> xterm
[02:37] <matthew_w> I want something cool, with actual transparency, not just an annoying image of the background.
[02:37] <matthew_w> lol
[02:37] <bob2> then there isn't one
[02:37] <QMario> Popey, what is the default for setting the environmental variables?
[02:37] <popey> i disagree bob2, he's joined many times from different hosts, exhibiting the behaviour of a spammer
[02:37] <popey> i just pasted it QMario
[02:37] <QMario> Default file name, I mean.
[02:37] <QMario> That's the default?
[02:37] <skaja> how come ubuntu does not have gnome ppp on the cd
[02:38] <popey> that's where mine is
[02:38] <matthew_w> bob2; there's none with true transparency?
[02:38] <bob2> popey: yes, hence why I asked an oper, who said he/she just appears to be an idiot
[02:38] <popey> bob2: do a /whowas r4ndy
[02:38] <bob2> matthew_w: indeed
[02:38] <popey> oh, ok
[02:38] <bob2> matthew_w: transset lets you make random apps transparent
[02:38] <Nalioth> QMario: if it pleases you, here's my show-n-tell export PATH="$PATH:/opt/IBMJava2-ppc-142/bin"
[02:38] <Madpilot> matthew_w: have a look around the forums, there's an interesting eyecandy terminal setup there somewhere
[02:38] <bob2> but you'll soon realise that it's just annoying
[02:38] <anomaly> is there not a base install iso? the 568mb iso installs the kitchen sink as it were. I would like just the basic kernel, cli tools and apt-get what I want from there myself.
[02:39] <QMario> Popey, can you paste your /etc/bash.bashrc file, so I can see if it is the right file?
[02:39] <chiddy> matthew_w, especially when x crashes every 30 seconds
[02:39] <popey> i just pasted the two lines you need
[02:39] <bob2> anomaly: read the help when you first boot it
[02:39] <QMario> Nalioth, you are using a Macintosh?
[02:39] <anomaly> bob2 ty
[02:39] <QMario> Popey, what does it exactly say in the "/etc/bash.bashrc" file?
[02:39] <Nalioth> QMario: yessir
[02:40] <stan-am> can anyone give me a hand installing a genius webcam?
[02:40] <popey> QMario: I JUST posted it
[02:40] <popey> scroll up
[02:40] <bob2> I think you'd want a server instal
[02:40] <QMario> Something tells me I am in the wrong file. :(
[02:40] <stan-am> can anyone give me a hand installing a genius webcam?
[02:40] <dug____> Any way to enable sata support in the ubuntu installer?  I need libata and ata_piix apparently.
[02:41] <cafuego> !beagle
[02:41] <ubotu> hmm... beagle is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto
[02:41] <popey> dug____: i installed on a sata disk with no extra options specified recently
[02:41] <Madpilot> dug____: ubuntu installed just fine to my SATA disc w/o any extras...
[02:41] <popey> snap!
[02:41] <bob2> dug____: there's nothing to enable...
[02:41] <Madpilot> popey: gotcha... ;)
[02:41] <matthew_w> chiddy; I'
[02:41] <bob2> stan-am: no need to ask over and over; I'd try askin on the mailing list, tho
[02:41] <stan-am> hey doods, any urls i can use to install a genius webcam?
[02:41] <cafuego> dug____: libata is a 2.4 kernel feature afai; in 2.6 they use the scsi system; should just work, unless your hardware is too new.
[02:41] <matthew_w> chiddy; I'll take it you don't use x.
[02:41] <stan-am> thnx bob2
[02:42] <neighborlee> stan-am, if doesn't work with the gnome webcam util that comes with ubuntu then try here: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php < and/or asking on Mailing List
[02:42] <chiddy> matthew_w: yeah I use X... its just that xrender and transset are really buggy right now and turning them on makes things crash and the windows transparency drives you insane after awhile
[02:42] <stan-am> gnome webcam util? whats that?... im such a noob sorry
[02:43] <cafuego> stan-am: try coriander
[02:43] <chiddy> matthew_w, its nice eye candy but it needs to be perfected still
[02:43] <cafuego> (not cilantro)
[02:43] <QMario> Popey, I still have the error. :(
[02:43] <stan-am> can i find that on synaptic?
[02:43] <popey> QMario:  did you close terminal and login again?
[02:43] <stan-am> coriander wasnt recognized
[02:43] <popey> QMario: check your env vars again.. is it set>?
[02:43] <Madpilot> stan-am: do you have Universe/Multiverse repos enabled?
[02:43] <cafuego> !info coriander
[02:43] <ubotu> coriander: (control IEEE1394 digital camera), section universe/gnome, is extra. Version: 1.0.0-r-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 116 kB, Installed size: 380 kB
[02:43] <cafuego> stan-am: Well, it does exist.
[02:44] <stan-am> i do, i already found it and its being installed
[02:44] <stan-am> thnx fellas
[02:44] <neighborlee> stan-am, kewl
[02:44] <QMario> Popey, huh?
[02:44] <neighborlee> stan-am, sorry I could not remember name of app ...dont use it not having working webcam in linux atm ;(\
[02:45] <popey> i previously suggested you type "env" and see if there was a JAVA_HOME, you just placed the setting in your bash file, now run env again and see if you have an env var called JAVA_HOME
[02:45] <popey> if not then you probably need to close your terminal and open a new one for the change to take effect
[02:45] <popey> (or just run bash)
[02:45] <djur> I'm getting an error for a package I just downloaded of "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[02:45] <stan-am> whats that neighborlee?
[02:45] <djur> anyone know how to determine what is using it and free it?
[02:45] <bob2> djur: close the other instance of apt, aptitude or synaptric that you have running
[02:46] <djur> ah
[02:46] <QMario> Popey, it's still not there.
[02:46] <popey> right, have you closed terminal and opened a new one?
[02:46] <QMario> I even used the file you told me to use.
[02:46] <QMario> No.
[02:46] <popey> do so then as I suggested
[02:46] <billytwowilly> is there a good samba print sharing howto out there? The samba.org docs are WAY too technical for me. I just want to share my printer with a windows laptop and an ubuntu laptop..
[02:47] <billytwowilly> or maybe a gui tool to set it up like in suse/redhat/mandriva?
[02:47] <stan-am> neighborlee im getting an error saying :" warning: could not get a handle to your IEEE 1394 card.
[02:47] <popey> billytwowilly: I dont use samba for that, but just use xp to print to the ipp printer
[02:47] <stan-am> any ideas on that?
[02:47] <AristoMagnus> billytwowilly: apt-get install webmain
[02:47] <AristoMagnus> billytwowilly: apt-get install webmin
[02:47] <AristoMagnus> billytwowilly: apt-get install webmin-samba
[02:47] <AristoMagnus> easiers way
[02:47] <billytwowilly> k, thanks
[02:47] <wolki> how do I apply a patch to source code?
[02:47] <neighborlee> stan-am, was just saying I dont have a webcam for linux right now .....
[02:48] <stan-am> neighborlee did u read the error message?
[02:48] <QMario> Popey, I did. It is there, but is still does not run. :*
[02:48] <stan-am> any idea what that means?
[02:48] <QMario> :(
[02:48] <QMario> !Botsnack
[02:48] <ubotu> :)
[02:48] <popey> QMario: did you set it to the right location?
[02:49] <popey> QMario: to where java is *actually* installed?
[02:49] <QMario> Yes.
[02:49] <QMario> Yes.
[02:49] <billytwowilly> AristoMagnus, what port does webmin run on?
[02:49] <Madpilot> stan-am: IEEE 1394 = Firewire - is it a firewire camera?
[02:49] <neighborlee> stan-am, yeah I honestly have no clue...dont have a webcam so im little help
[02:49] <stan-am> its just a genius webcam v4 usb cam
[02:49] <QMario> "/usr/lib/sun/bin"
[02:49] <brenner> QMario: you're making ubotu fat. :)
[02:49] <neighborlee> stan-am, try the Mailing List at: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=contact
[02:50] <Nalioth> brenner: are you back again?
[02:50] <stan-am> thnx neighboorlee
[02:50] <stan-am> what is firewire madpilot?
[02:50] <neighborlee> your welcome
[02:50] <benplaut> hello everyone :)
[02:50] <dug____> thanks for your help.  unfortunately the installer isn't working at all.  i have a year old dell
[02:50] <popey> QMario: that's not where it is on my machine..
[02:50] <neighborlee> benplaut, hi
[02:50] <cafuego> What is the name of the utility that processes files in config directories?
[02:50] <cafuego> run-parts, ok
[02:50] <brenner> Nalioth: for about an hour, yep....then i'm off to work
[02:50] <neighborlee> cafuego, I think your after gconf
[02:51] <Nalioth> work?
[02:51] <zdennis> i just added a nfs mount to my fstab...w/o rebooting how can i mount it to see if i entered it correctly?
[02:51] <cafuego> neighborlee: No, run-parts; you're far too late
[02:51] <JRlinux> One more time-- I want to download the latest/best Ubuntu for 64 machines.  Which one do I download?
[02:51] <zdennis> mount -a        ?
[02:51] <brenner> Nalioth: you been in here all this time?
[02:51] <Madpilot> stan-am: a different system from USB - have you asked google about your camera & linux?
[02:51] <neighborlee> cafuego, LOL good enough
[02:51] <Nalioth> brenner: dropped some glue in my chair last night
[02:51] <stan-am> yeah i did madpilot, followed the instructions but its not takin it
[02:51] <xsquared> hi, is there a package that i can get that contains the win32 codecs so i can play wma's and wmv's?
[02:51] <stan-am> what d you do with that error message madpilot?
[02:52] <zdennis> xsquared, you should convert yoru wmas to mp3s and then play them
[02:52] <Nalioth> xsquared: w32codecs
[02:52] <Madpilot> stan-am: like neighborlee, I don't have a webcam, so I don't know specifics...
[02:52] <brenner> Nalioth: yep, work. i'm not just an #ubuntu addict after all. :)
[02:52] <popey> zdennis: !
[02:52] <stan-am> darn... arright
[02:52] <stan-am> nevermind then, thnx for ure help anyway
[02:52] <popey> zdennis: that's mad
[02:52] <xsquared> zdennis, you can't if you can't play them
[02:52] <zdennis> xsquared,  you can to, it's called mplayer
[02:52] <zdennis> use the command line one!
[02:52] <xsquared> Madpilot, its not listing under apt-cache search
[02:52] <QMario> Popey, where is it then?
[02:52] <zdennis> unless mplayer has i'ts own codecs
[02:52] <zdennis> ...?
[02:53] <popey> QMario: where i pasted earlier
[02:53] <Madpilot> xsquared: sorry, what isn't?
[02:53] <zdennis> anywho...you should stilll convert them
[02:53] <xsquared> zdennis, it doesn't have its own codecs
[02:53] <zdennis> wmas are bloated
[02:53] <xsquared> i know
[02:53] <xsquared> i wouldn't even use mp3
[02:53] <IceDC571> anyone here using a mac?
[02:53] <omp342> hello, ubuntu users
[02:53] <xsquared> id use OGG
[02:53] <popey> zdennis: that's daft. you definately should NOT re-encode from one lossy format to another
[02:53] <xsquared> ogg > all.
[02:53] <IceDC571> flac > all
[02:53] <popey> zdennis: if anything you should re-encode the original
[02:53] <Nalioth> IceDC571: yes i use a mac
[02:53] <kyncani> xsquared: you should have instructions to install w32codecs on ubuntu wiki i think
[02:54] <xsquared> IceDC571, no, such a big file
[02:54] <bob2> ogg isn't a codec
[02:54] <bob2> vorbis is
[02:54] <DewDude> EWW
[02:54] <DewDude> i just put headphones on this thing
[02:54] <DewDude> i think the audio settings are whacked
[02:54] <robotgeek> IceDC571: yup
[02:54] <DewDude> cuz everything sounds overloaded
[02:54] <Nalioth> bob2 why IS r4ndy s IP changing?
[02:54] <Zotnix> Trying out Ubuntu Breezy in VMWare
[02:55] <xsquared> neighborlee, thanks ! :)
[02:55] <Zotnix> If Cairo is making everything look so crisp... yay Cairo.
[02:55] <neighborlee> xsquared, np
[02:55] <zdennis> is there a way to tell XMMS to look in all subdirectories for mp3s to add to library? instead of manually selecting files
[02:55] <robotgeek> zdennis: select the directory and say add
[02:55] <xsquared> yeh
[02:55] <IceDC571> Nalioth, what format do you rip your cds to in OSX? im planning to get an iMac soon
[02:55] <xsquared> xmms sucks anyway
[02:56] <QMario> Popey, I changed it to this "/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun".
[02:56] <xsquared> beep-media-player <3
[02:56] <QMario> It still won't work
[02:56] <cafuego> IceDC571: iMacs G5 apparently can't run Ubuntu yet.
[02:56] <zdennis> robotgeek... i dotn get that option
[02:56] <QMario> s/" "/.
[02:56] <Zotnix> I have grown fond of rhythmbox to be honest.
[02:56] <zdennis> robotgeek, i get "Add Selected Files", "Add all files in directory"
[02:56] <Nalioth> IceDC571: i have installed the lame thing to my mac(s)
[02:56] <cafuego> QMario: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[02:56] <Nalioth> IceDC571: aac is nice, but not universally accepted
[02:56] <xsquared> zdennis, it will only add the files it can play
[02:56] <bob2> Nalioth: it's not
[02:56] <zdennis> i want to say "Add all files in this directories and recursively ina ll subdirectoreis"
[02:56] <bob2> Nalioth: it's using tor
[02:56] <zdennis> ah
[02:57] <bob2> wtf
[02:57] <zdennis> all i have are mp3s
[02:57] <robotgeek> zdennis: hold the add sign, it pops up add directory
[02:57] <zdennis> it adds them individually
[02:57] <Nalioth> bob2: i'm in need of education on tor. link? or what is it?
[02:57] <bob2> Nalioth: tor.eff.net
[02:57] <cafuego> Nalioth: anonymiser
[02:57] <Nalioth> cafuego: ah
[02:57] <cafuego> Nalioth: useful for script kiddies and not much else.
[02:57] <Zotnix> Welp, just converted my friend from Mandrake to ubuntu
[02:57] <zdennis> it doesn't work how i want...darnit
[02:57] <Zotnix> Sorry
[02:57] <Nalioth> well, better off without him, i say
[02:57] <Zotnix> Mandriva
[02:58] <IceDC571> Zotnix, how did you do it?
[02:58] <QMario> Popey?
[02:58] <Zotnix> Seems mandrake didn't like his computer... he had to manually pass acpi=off to his kernel
[02:58] <zdennis> I have /home/zdennis/music    inside there i have 200 different directories of music. Why can't I click "Add" on "music"?
[02:58] <Zotnix> And it was giving him problems.
[02:58] <bytefoo> hmm...my laptop won't shutdown...
[02:58] <QMario> Where are you?
[02:58] <Zotnix> Ubuntu automatically worked
[02:58] <bytefoo> it hangs at power down...
[02:58] <Zotnix> And turned off acpi for him
[02:59] <IceDC571> i see
[02:59] <Zotnix> My other friend said wireless worked right out of the box  for his laptop. he converted there :p
[02:59] <Zotnix> I've converted.. hrm... 3 people to ubuntu
[02:59] <IceDC571> yeah wireless worked out of the box all the time for me while using ubuntu
[02:59] <robotgeek> zdennis: click + file for abt 2 secs, then for the expanded menu, select + dir , and select ur music folder
[02:59] <DewDude> heh
[02:59] <DewDude> a mac user converted me to ubuntu
[02:59] <robotgeek> i converted from mac OSX to ubuntu myself
[02:59] <kspath> I am running ubuntu on my iBook now
[02:59] <DewDude> most because i said "gentoo doesn't support half my stuff"
[02:59] <IceDC571> why would you convert from OSX?
[03:00] <IceDC571> whats not to like about it?
[03:00] <DewDude> and he's like "ubuntu has full imac support"
[03:00] <DewDude> i could get OSX
[03:00] <DewDude> right now
[03:00] <Nalioth> bob2: ty
[03:00] <DewDude> 2.2 GB ISO image
[03:00] <DewDude> STANDARD iso
[03:00] <DewDude> not that apple-disk crap
[03:00] <QMario> Did popey leave?
[03:00] <QMario>  
[03:00] <kspath> ubuntu is better  I have support for my ext plextor DVD burner and epson stylus scan 2500 multifuntion now that MacOSX would not I can scan and printer great with ubuntu
[03:00] <Nalioth> IceDC571: it's not FOSS
[03:01] <robotgeek> IceDC571: I prefer to configure the way i like my OS to work, and i don't prefer the environment which apple gave to me
[03:01] <billytwowilly> what is the default spool directory in ubuntu?
[03:01] <Nalioth> IceDC571: it is very nice, but i have more freedom running ubuntu on my mac(s)
[03:01] <DewDude> heh
[03:01] <DewDude> my clock is all wrong
[03:01] <robotgeek> robotgeek: plus, ubuntu is free as in freedom!
[03:01] <billytwowilly> /var/spool/cups ?
[03:01] <bob2> billytwowilly: spool of what?
[03:01] <DewDude> again..ubuntu ignores my settings
[03:01] <bob2> oh, printer
[03:01] <robotgeek> DewDude: ntpdate :)
[03:01] <billytwowilly> bob2, my hp7150 printer
[03:01] <kspath> ubuntu is free      MacOSX update was going to be 130$
[03:01] <DewDude> heh
[03:01] <bob2> DewDude: ignore what?
[03:01] <IceDC571> i'd rather run ubuntu on x86's but thats just my opinion
[03:02] <zdennis> robotgeek, i must be doing something wrong. Is this all within the "Add files to media library" ...window?
[03:02] <DewDude> well, it was saying it didn't have my timezone
[03:02] <DewDude> so i set it
[03:02] <IceDC571> im pissed now that apple is using intel chips
[03:02] <DewDude> and....it's displaying GMT
[03:02] <DewDude> not local time
[03:03] <brenner> IceDC571: you'd prefer amd? ;)
[03:03] <bob2> DewDude: /etc/default/rcS
[03:03] <IceDC571> brenner :)
[03:03] <brenner> i thought i read somewhere it wasn't such a bad thing.
[03:03] <DewDude> yup
[03:03] <DewDude> there it is
[03:03] <DewDude> UTC=yes
[03:04] <IceDC571> its not a bad thing but now windows users will get spoiled with OSX
[03:04] <Zotnix> Hrm. I prefer ubuntu for Mac OS X and Windows, personally
[03:04] <DewDude> umm
[03:04] <Zotnix> over*
[03:04] <Zotnix> Rather
[03:04] <Agrajag> IceDC571: what are you talking about?
[03:04] <robotgeek> zdennis: we are talking abt xmms, right?
[03:04] <Agrajag> macs will still be macs
[03:04] <DewDude> plans are the x86 version of OSX won't boot on non-apple hardware
[03:04] <Agrajag> yeah
[03:04] <bob2> DewDude: is your hardware clock really set to GMT?
[03:05] <Zotnix> DewDude: I'll give Linux hackers a few days for that :p
[03:05] <Agrajag> it'll only work now if it's hacked a bit
[03:05] <DewDude> HAH
[03:05] <IceDC571> ohh okay, then thats much better
[03:05] <DewDude> i don't know
[03:05] <DewDude> when i got this thing
[03:05] <DewDude> MacOS wasn't saving time
[03:05] <zdennis> robotgeek...i am a moron
[03:05] <Zotnix> Oh
[03:05] <DewDude> every time the OS would reboot the time would be ALL off
[03:05] <Zotnix> Other way around
[03:05] <zdennis> thanks for your help and patience
[03:05] <DewDude> i thought it was a dead battery, but that checks out
[03:05] <brenner> IceDC571: what's so bad about that?  they'll finally be enlightened. :)
[03:05] <DewDude> and it's holding time now
[03:05] <Zotnix> But basically Apple says Windows can boot from their Hardware, right?
[03:05] <Zotnix> But not the other way around
[03:05] <kspath> internal battery in your old mac messed up   losing memory of time?
[03:05] <Agrajag> they said they will not prevent windows from booting
[03:06] <Agrajag> but why bother with windows on a mac?
[03:06] <robotgeek> Agrajag: games :)
[03:06] <Agrajag> You could run the program in wine, or just run windows in a VM
[03:06] <Agrajag> oh pfft
[03:06] <DewDude> no
[03:06] <DewDude> the battery is good
[03:06] <kspath> You would have to pay me to run windows
[03:06] <Agrajag> if you want to play games, you don't buy a mac
[03:06] <DewDude> and ever since i put gentoo on...it kept time
[03:06] <Nalioth> we are kinda gettin offtopic here
[03:06] <zdennis> xmms is freezing....crap
[03:06] <robotgeek> Nalioth: sorry!
[03:07] <robotgeek> zdennis: get beep-media-player :)
[03:07] <DewDude> it's just i got timezones all screwed up..i don't know what my hardware clock is set to..i can't check it in BIOS like a x86 machine
[03:07] <zdennis> is it better?
[03:07] <Zotnix> beep-media-player doesn't have as many plugins, no?
[03:07] <robotgeek> zdennis: much better :)
[03:07] <Zotnix> I haven't viewed the project in awhile
[03:07] <DewDude> root@iTux:/etc/default # date
[03:07] <DewDude> Fri Sep  2 01:07:10 UTC 2005
[03:07] <robotgeek> Zotnix: not really a plugin person!
[03:07] <kspath> DewDude set up ntpd
[03:07] <DewDude> i did that in kde
[03:07] <DewDude> or, already did that
[03:07] <DewDude> cuz it syncs during boot
[03:08] <DewDude> it was AFTER i did that the time went all whack on me
[03:08] <bob2> DewDude: why is your timezone set wrong?
[03:08] <Zotnix> Breezy is looking gorgeous
[03:08] <robotgeek> DewDude: if you want to change the UTC setting, take a look at /etc/default/rcS
[03:08] <Devrethman> hello
[03:08] <brenner> Zotnix: iirc, bmp can use xmms plugins
[03:08] <brenner> so there's no excuse. :)
[03:08] <Zotnix> You need to recompile with gtk2 no?
[03:09] <poningru> guys I had a question
[03:09] <Zotnix> And sometimes that doesn't work
[03:09] <robotgeek> Zotnix: for the most part, except for the plugin info/help
[03:09] <DewDude> bob: i've got no idea
[03:09] <Zotnix> I use rhythmbox anyways
[03:09] <DewDude> i'll be the first to admit...for the last 10 years i've been a windows man
[03:09] <zdennis> robotgeek, i got it up and going, maybe my nfs share just sucks
[03:09] <DewDude> never messed with linux
[03:09] <poningru> there is some strange beeping sound coming from my laptop how do I determine the source of it?
[03:09] <Zotnix> It plays my mp3s fine
[03:09] <zdennis> i am pulling from another box
[03:09] <poningru> its coming from the speakers
[03:09] <bob2> DewDude: sudo tzconfig
[03:09] <brenner> poningru: system bell?
[03:09] <Madpilot> poningru: it's about to blow up? :)
[03:09] <robotgeek> zdennis: xmms is dead!
[03:09] <Zotnix> xmms2 is in the works
[03:09] <zdennis> well beep-media-player froze to
[03:09] <zdennis> =(
[03:09] <Zotnix> my friend is a hacker on that project
[03:09] <poningru> brenner: its beeping continuasly(sp)
[03:09] <djur> does ubuntu come set up with a "swap" file?
[03:10] <zdennis> when i try to play a song
[03:10] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I'm having trouble with a breezy install.  I made it into the second phase, but dpkg bailed on me and now apt-get says "run dpkg --configure -a".  But that fails with the following message:
[03:10] <poningru> Madpilot: rofl
[03:10] <brenner> zdennis: changed the outpu plugin?
[03:10] <brenner> *output
[03:10] <DewDude> root@iTux:/etc/default # tzconfig
[03:10] <DewDude> Your current time zone is set to America/New_York
[03:10] <poningru> wtf its not stoping
[03:10] <djur> I'm running on limited RAM.. and it seems like it just freaking flops when I open too much stuff...
[03:10] <bob2> DewDude: did you change that lately?
[03:10] <poningru> its got a pattern of sorts
[03:10] <ficusplanet> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed
[03:10] <zdennis> i haven't yet....
[03:10] <djur> I'm thinking no swap file.
[03:10] <DewDude> last night
[03:10] <ficusplanet> Any ideas?
[03:10] <zdennis> i will try
[03:10] <DewDude> after i enabled ntp
[03:10] <poningru> I think it is morse code
[03:10] <poningru> wtf
[03:10] <bob2> DewDude: does" TZ=America/New_York date" print the right time?
[03:10] <robotgeek> poningru: turn off sound events
[03:11] <robotgeek> poningru: system -> preferences -> sound
[03:11] <DewDude> no
[03:11] <Devrethman> for some reason the installer always hangs for me during the partitioner
[03:11] <zdennis> ALSA output doesn't work, i get an error
[03:11] <DewDude> err
[03:11] <DewDude> yeah
[03:11] <DewDude> it does
[03:11] <zdennis> eSound works!
[03:11] <zdennis> sweet
[03:11] <zdennis> thanks brenner!
[03:11] <DewDude> root@iTux:/etc/default # TZ=America/New_York date
[03:11] <DewDude> Thu Sep  1 21:11:11 EDT 2005
[03:11] <DewDude> purely random
[03:12] <robotgeek> zdennis: cool
[03:12] <DewDude> heh
[03:12] <poningru> wtf it stopped
[03:12] <owen_> collect2: cannot find `ld' -- any thoughts?
[03:12] <Devrethman> it gets stuck at "det
[03:12] <poningru> it wasnt the sound events though
[03:12] <Devrethman> ecting disks or something like that
[03:12] <brenner> zdennis: common issue unfortunately
[03:12] <zdennis> how to you tell beep-media-player to shuffle songs?
[03:12] <bob2> owen_: install build-essential
[03:12] <gusto5> hi a quick question. what media player will handle .avi files?
[03:13] <Devrethman> xine
[03:13] <gusto5> ( Network Stats ) Device: eth0 | Hostname: amd1400 | Data: In: 26.8 MB ( 19.34K/sec ) Out: 12.6 MB ( 9.10K/sec ), Total: 39.4 MB [ In 68.0% | Out 32.0% ]  ( 28.44K/sec )
[03:13] <bob2> gusto5: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:13] <brenner> zdennis: there's a button next to the eject button
[03:13] <gusto5> thank you, bob2
[03:13] <robotgeek> zdennis: yeah, also get a better skin :)
[03:13] <bob2> gusto5: please fix your IRC client...
[03:13] <brenner> zdennis: bit hard to find with the default skin
[03:13] <bob2> DewDude: logging out should fix it then
[03:13] <gusto5> bob2 what is wrong with my IRC client?
[03:13] <DewDude> well
[03:13] <DewDude> it was like that LAST night
[03:13] <owen_> bob2, no change.
[03:13] <DewDude> i've changed nothing
[03:13] <DewDude> i've rebooted
[03:13] <zdennis> ok, i will seach google for sknns
[03:13] <DewDude> the clock in KDE still came up with 1 an
[03:13] <DewDude> am
[03:13] <brenner> !players
[03:13] <ubotu> Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Xine, Mplayer
[03:13] <robotgeek> zdennis: get them from the link on bmp page
[03:14] <gusto5> bob2, whats wrong with my client?!
[03:14] <bob2> owen_: er, are yo usure?
[03:14] <tom17h> Hey all -- I've recently upgraded to breezy to try out beagle. It's not indexing any files. Anyone here know how I might find out why?
[03:14] <poningru> wtf was that I wonder
[03:14] <bob2> gusto5: it's spouting statistics at the channel
[03:14] <owen_> bob2, let me double check.
[03:14] <gusto5> bob2, how do i fix that? im not aware of that happening...
[03:14] <bob2> gusto5: no idea
[03:14] <JRlinux> anyone know how ez it is to get an all-in-one printer/scanner/copier going on Ubuntu?
[03:14] <gusto5> now bob2?
[03:15] <owen_> bob2, yeah, installed.
[03:15] <bob2> JRlinux: depends entirely on what it is; look at the linux printing website
[03:15] <Madpilot> JRlinux: depends who it's made by
[03:15] <DewDude> my god...i love how sexy slot-load drives are
[03:15] <zdennis> once you download a skin, how do you install it for beep?
[03:15] <brenner> gusto5: seemed to happen after you joined
[03:15] <JRlinux> OK; have not bought one yet; I just want to get the easiest one.
[03:15] <Devrethman> ok, anybody know why my installer would constantly hand on "scanning disk drives" 41% immediately after I configure a raid0 array?
[03:15] <bob2> owen_: I don't know how taht could happen then, unless you've been playing weird games with your toolchain
[03:15] <gusto5> is it still happening?
[03:15] <Madpilot> JRlinux: http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[03:15] <bob2> DewDude: is the CD ok?
[03:15] <brenner> gusto5: no
[03:15] <gusto5> brenner, still going?
[03:15] <bob2> gusto5: no
[03:15] <gusto5> oh ok :)
[03:16] <Nalioth> zdennis: should be a subdirectory of ~/.beepmp or something
[03:16] <DewDude> ???
[03:16] <DewDude> yeah
[03:16] <JRlinux> Thanks Madpilot , bob2
[03:16] <DewDude> the CD is fine
[03:16] <DewDude> i just said..i love how sexy they are...thier action
[03:16] <owen_> bob2, not as far as I know :) I followed the algorithm collect2 uses to locate ld... you think zapping the gcc packages would get it back going?
[03:16] <bob2> er
[03:16] <bob2> Devrethman: is the cd ok?
[03:16] <bob2> owen_: no
[03:16] <Devrethman> yea
[03:16] <DewDude> heh
[03:16] <owen_> bob2, er, and I found ld the way it should.
[03:16] <owen_> bob2, ok, any thoughts then?
[03:16] <Devrethman> pretty sure, doesn't it check it automatically?
[03:16] <Madpilot> JRlinux: I do know - did a bunch of research lately - that many of the new HP multi-fucntion units work OK in Linux - but check that URL...
[03:16] <gusto5> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats doesnt have anything on .avi
[03:17] <brenner> Nalioth, zdennis : nope....just copy the archive to ~/.bmp/Skins
[03:17] <robotgeek> zdennis: put the tar .gz file in ~/.bmp/Skins and select it from preferences
[03:17] <JRlinux> OK Madpilot
[03:17] <bob2> Devrethman: no
[03:17] <Devrethman> ah
[03:17] <DewDude> gusto: avi is a contianer format
[03:17] <Devrethman> i'll try that...
[03:17] <bob2> Devrethman: it would a) take forever and b) take bloody forever
[03:17] <Nalioth> brenner: i dont run bmp, so didnt know the dir name
[03:17] <DewDude> it contains two streams
[03:17] <gusto5> DewDude, elaborate please
[03:17] <DewDude> like
[03:17] <DewDude> ok
[03:17] <DewDude> you've got your video and audio
[03:17] <gusto5> ok
[03:17] <gusto5> oh ok
[03:17] <DewDude> in AVI...the format doesn't matter
[03:17] <DewDude> you could have cinepack and raw PCM
[03:17] <brenner> Nalioth: i figured that :)
[03:18] <DewDude> or divx and mp3 as the most popular combo is
[03:18] <gusto5> ok
[03:18] <Nalioth> brenner: doin the best i can from macland
[03:18] <DewDude> unlike a .mpg file which is mpeg both ways
[03:18] <gusto5> oh ok i see
[03:18] <bob2> except it handles VBR poorly
[03:18] <DewDude> what. mpeg?
[03:18] <DewDude> or AVI
[03:18] <bob2> AVI
[03:18] <gusto5> DewDude, gotcha. thanks alot. i learned something today
[03:22] <dalamar> w00.
[03:25] <brenner> nice...there's a bmp-skins package
[03:26] <owen_> well, yes. the toolchain is obviously messed up. hmmph.
[03:26] <bob2> ouchy
[03:27] <rendi> guy's how to instal new splash screen
[03:27] <DVSoftware> anyone knows kow to fix this?
[03:27] <DVSoftware> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1806
[03:27] <owen_> so, do you know how to fix these kinds of problems? The answer on #gcc was -- "yes" [toolchain is broken!] 
[03:27] <owen_> :/
[03:27] <bob2> depends how it got broken
[03:27] <owen_> any pointers on where to start looking?
[03:27] <bob2> you really did nothing to it?
[03:27] <bob2> you're using hoary, and you never deleted things from /usr or installed gcc/whatever from source?
[03:28] <cafuego> and you don't have backports enabled?
[03:28] <rendi> !splash
[03:28] <ubotu> No idea, rendi
[03:28] <owen_> Installed gcc from source? heh, I'm not crazy :) but nope, I haven't deleted anything and I am using hoary, and no backports.
[03:28] <zdennis> whats the best way to install java ... ?
[03:28] <cafuego> !java
[03:28] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:28] <bob2> DVSoftware: sounds like a bug in what you're compiling
[03:29] <zdennis> thx ubotu
[03:29] <cafuego> The best way is to follow the link to a cutom java install from that wiki page.
[03:29] <DVSoftware> strange... no one complained on that :\
[03:30] <rendi> hello ?
[03:30] <DVSoftware> let's try compiling something different
[03:30] <tristanmike> rendi, do you mean something to replace the lines of text?
[03:31] <rendi> no no
[03:31] <brenner> rendi: i think you want gdm themes
[03:31] <tristanmike> rendi, do you mean the logon screen?
[03:31] <rendi> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24581 <= i want to instal this one
[03:31] <rendi> yeah logo
[03:32] <DVSoftware> well... im going to sleep now
[03:32] <DVSoftware> i'm too tired to think
[03:32] <DVSoftware> and google
[03:32] <cafuego> Hmm, it's never done that ebfore.
[03:32] <cafuego> nautilus is previewing mp3 files
[03:33] <Madpilot> cafuego: I think it's supposed to do that, but mine never has either...
[03:33] <brenner> probably b/c you have never hovered on an mp3 file before
[03:33] <cafuego> Madpilot: It just started doing it, very nice. Just hover and it plays
[03:33] <brenner> iirc it's enabled by default
[03:33] <Madpilot> no, even when I hover I get no music preview - either on mp3 or ogg...
[03:35] <cafuego> Nalioth: The perl script I wrote for irssi, to block BitchX quit messages.
[03:35] <brenner> Madpilot: check your prefs maybe
[03:36] <owen_> eCos.
[03:36] <owen_> I forgot I was working with eCos and it decided to muck with my toolchain.
[03:36] <DewDude> im starting to not like windows anymore
[03:36] <Nalioth> cafuego: ah, now you get back with me...
[03:36] <cafuego> Nalioth: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/stuff/ is full of toys
[03:37] <cafuego> Nalioth: I mainly used to see them on #debian.. to the point of a script to block them being the only way to stay sane ;-)
[03:38] <owen_> thanks for the toolchain advise :)
[03:40] <wolki> rebooting
[03:41] <tristanmike> rendi, where is that splash suppose to go?
[03:42] <chumphries> hello folks, i searched for a few hours on the hotplug freeze on boot problem, searched the ubuntu site (faq and wiki) and forums, yet nothing on there helped. works great on this laptop, yet on my workstation at work it freezes at hotplug. could not find any messages in logfiles on errors from hotplug or anything that looks like hardware conflict problems
[03:43] <dieguito> chumphries, are you sing a usb keyboard?
[03:43] <chumphries> are there other resources? other than forums, faq, and wiki searching? google seems to mostly just link to those on hotplug freeze
[03:43] <brenner> tristanmike, rendi: sys > admin > login > graphical greeter > install new thee
[03:43] <dieguito> s/sing/using
[03:43] <brenner> *theme
[03:43] <chumphries> no, mouse and ps2 are ps2, not using usb
[03:43] <tristanmike> ok, so you want to replace the Logon theme then?
[03:44] <dieguito> chumphries, mmm well in debian there's output about what it's detecting, i guess there's someway to activate that on ubuntu
[03:44] <brenner> tristanmike: he does, yes
[03:44] <dieguito> chumphries, any weird device?
[03:44] <tristanmike> brenner, hmmmm
[03:45] <chumphries> dieguito: may try a different hardware configuration tomorrow, ie swap for another machine
[03:45] <brenner> or she, whatever
[03:45] <chumphries> dieguito: ya, it has to be hardware i am sure, like conflicts or something. *shrug* heh
[03:45] <tristanmike> brenner, did you look at the link s/he is trying to install?
[03:45] <chumphries> i love ubuntu
[03:45] <tristanmike> brenner, cause that's not a logon theme
[03:45] <chumphries> and python is strong focus, that says a lot right there
[03:45] <brenner> tristanmike: nope. :)
[03:46] <tristanmike> brenner, http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=24581
[03:46] <brenner> tristanmike: you asked him before though, and said yes, "the login screen"
[03:46] <brenner> looking now
[03:46] <brenner> oh, that's not a gdm theme. lol
[03:46] <skreet> Alright, I'm on the voyage of installing fglrx, I got the module to build (after installing GCC and making a /usr/src/linux symlink to my headers) -- but now I'm stuck. X will start, and seemingly use the fglrx module -- then i do a glxinfo and it says it's unable to load a shared library: libGL.so.1, anyone been here before, or have any ideas? Thanks.
[03:47] <brenner> tristanmike, rendi: you can use gtweakui for that
[03:47] <brenner> *those
[03:47] <tristanmike> brenner, actually he replied "logo" not "logon" so I thought s/he either meant the one like the nVidia splash or the one just after you login. still don't know what s/he wants
[03:48] <brenner> skreet: er, why are you doing things the hard way?
[03:48] <brenner> !ati
[03:48] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:48] <skreet> brenner: hm, I'll take a look but I've tried a ton of other things.
[03:48] <brenner> tristanmike: hehe. right you are. ah well, we tried *shrug*
[03:49] <rendi> no no its png file
[03:49] <tristanmike> brenner, lol
[03:49] <skreet> brenner, Does the current fglrx-driver package contain the NEWEST ati driver? I dont belive it does, not as of an outdated post.. ;)
[03:49] <dibbon> I followed the ubuntu instructions, added the necessary repositories for multimedia support, did an apt update, but I still am unable to recieve w32codecs
[03:49] <rendi> http://gnome-look.org/content/files/24581-splash_top.png <== see that
[03:49] <brenner> skreet: afaik, no....it doesn't even use the official ati driver iirc
[03:49] <tristanmike> rendi, what do you expect it to replace?
[03:49] <brenner> rendi: i already told you, use gtweakui
[03:49] <djur> what's the best mp3 player for ubuntu?
[03:49] <skreet> brenner, .. fglrx is the official driver -- Do you use an ATI card?
[03:50] <brenner> skreet: yes i do...i should know that *looks down in shame*
[03:50] <skreet> brenner, Heh. What card?
[03:50] <Behi> hi all.
[03:50] <brenner> i thought there was a difference b/n ati and fglrx though
[03:50] <Behi> sorry if I'm asking this twice
[03:50] <brenner> skreet: 9600pro
[03:51] <OohBattman> hey guys, anyone want to help with a dual screen setup?
[03:51] <Behi> what's the equivalent of Windows' Alt+Shift in Ubuntu?
[03:51] <brenner> dibbon: it's in hoary-extras
[03:51] <Behi> for switching languages...
[03:51] <skreet> brenner, And this method allows you to get "Direct Rendering: Yes" -- I'll try it but I have an X850XT PE PCI-Express and afaik only the NEWEST driver supports it..
[03:52] <brenner> skreet: *shrug* worth a shot.....you searched the forum yet?
[03:52] <skreet> brenner, A few times, I like the more conversable replies I get here, Heh.
[03:52] <skreet> Forums are boring, maybe i'll post and wait a year see if someone replies with some outdated information, you know :)
[03:53] <brenner> ha
[03:53] <brenner> they're not _that_ bad.
[03:53] <skreet> brenner, I'm gonna take a stab at loading this, thanks for the pointer.. I'll be back if it doesnt work :D
[03:54] <dibbon> I have hoary extras on the list
[03:54] <dibbon> under synapse
[03:54] <dibbon> but w32codecs doesn't show up under a search
[03:54] <brenner> post your sources.list to the pastebin in the channel topic
[03:54] <Behi> any internationalization gurus here :-)
[03:55] <IceDC571> dibbon, http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/
[03:55] <IceDC571> dibbon, thats where w32codecs is
[03:57] <geeksauce> i'm new to ubuntu (and linux), and i'm having trouble getting my mp3's to play.  different progs react differently when i try to play...
[03:57] <brenner> OohBattman:  wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation has an article on dual displays
[03:57] <geeksauce> xmms locks, totem just sits there, rythymbox does the same
[03:57] <dereks> how do i get debug information on why gdm (or gnome) is crashing when Xorg.0.log seems fine (not crashing) and there is nothing in .xsession-errors
[03:58] <brenner> geeksauce: cahnge the output plugin in xmms
[03:58] <Nalioth> geeksauce: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:58] <wolki> re... i'm trying to build an alarm clock with at. at itself seems to work, but I can't tell totem to start playing... tried passing totem --play to at but it doesn't work. does someone have an idea?
[03:58] <skreet> Well that didnt work, thats an old version, doesnt support my card bummer.
[03:58] <brenner> geeksauce: totem and rbox probably need the gstreamer codec
[03:58] <dereks> what other logs should i be looking in?
[03:58] <geeksauce> thanks
[03:58] <brenner> skreet: does the driver have install instructions? :)
[03:58] <skreet> So anyone have any idea.. glxinfo returns glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | But the fglrx modules and xorg driver load and communicate to each otehr correctly.. it seems
[03:58] <wolki> geeksauce: you need to set the audio output to esd in the xmms settings
[03:58] <brenner> skreet: maybe you're missing a lib
[03:59] <skreet> Yea, I followed them to the T..
[03:59] <billytwowilly> is there an ubuntu specific samba print server howto? This should be easier.
[03:59] <billytwowilly> oh yah, and webmin sucks
[03:59] <skreet> brenner, It would seem that way.. any clue how to.. un-miss it.
[03:59] <geeksauce> okay cool.   i had to xkill xmms and now it won
[03:59] <geeksauce> 't start again...any way to revive it without logging out?
[03:59] <wolki> geeksauce: what do you want to start again?
[04:00] <geeksauce> xmms
[04:00] <DonL> control alt backspace maybe
[04:00] <skreet> Anyone here running an X850XT PE PCI-Express video card?
[04:00] <brenner> skreet: er, i never installed the ati driver from source
[04:00] <DonL> oh. sorry
[04:00] <wolki> just kill it and start it again
[04:00] <regeya> yikes.
[04:00] <spiderworm> hi all, where's grub.conf gone to with ubuntu?
[04:00] <wolki> "killall xmms"
[04:00] <regeya> make sure xmms was really killed.
[04:00] <IceDC571> the ati driver has a source?
[04:00] <regeya> ps -ax | grep xmms
[04:00] <IceDC571> hmm..
[04:00] <regeya> or that
[04:00] <regeya> killall xmms would do that...duh.
[04:00] <skreet> brenner, Thats not possible, the source isnt released. however it does compile PART of the driver to match your distro.. and by installing it you did compile part of it, you just dont know it :)
[04:00] <brenner> spiderworm: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:00] <spiderworm> brenner: thanx
[04:01] <brenner> fudge...i should know my ati stuff better :-/
[04:01] <rendi> guys gdeskles is a theme or not ?
[04:01] <skreet> brenner, Heh, it's alright -- you're the only person responding so I guess it could be worse :(
[04:01] <wolki> rendi: no
[04:01] <devrethman> when i try to install ubuntu it always hangs on "scanning disks" right after i configure software raid
[04:01] <rendi> gDesklets
[04:01] <IceDC571> if ati released their source, we would have a lot more driver releases coming out
[04:01] <rendi> ic
[04:01] <devrethman> and the CD's OK, i checked it
[04:01] <dibbon> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1807
[04:02] <brenner> can we move on please? :)
[04:02] <wolki> rendi: gdesklets are little applets that live directly on your desktop
[04:02] <IceDC571> i didnt mean that in a bad way.. i was just saying.. lol
[04:02] <IceDC571> okay
[04:02] <rendi> soo it need more RAM ?
[04:02] <devrethman> anybody?
[04:02] <wolki> rendi: a theme is something that changes the look of an app. so a gdesklet can have themes.
[04:02] <IceDC571> devrethman, whats the problem?
[04:02] <dereks> anyone know how to figure out why gdm/gnome is freezing?
[04:03] <devrethman> when i configure software raid inthe installer the progress bar gets stuck
[04:03] <devrethman> at"Scanning disks
[04:03] <devrethman> "
[04:03] <skreet> brenner, It's just odd, GLX and FGLRX load in the log without ANY errors, in fact I have no (EE) or (WW) lines to speak of.. yet all glx apps fail with that error.
[04:03] <rendi> !gcc
[04:03] <ubotu> rendi: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:03] <devrethman> it's been there for 20 minutes
[04:03] <cafuego> devrethman: Are you using the Hoary installer?
[04:03] <devrethman> yea, amd64
[04:03] <wolki> rendi: yes it does. if you're tight on ram, desklets probably aren't a good idea. though i guess there are some that aren't that memory intensive
[04:03] <zdennis> what vnc client gives you the ability to send ctrl-alt-delete combos?
[04:03] <cafuego> Peculiar.
[04:04] <cafuego> zdennis: all of them
[04:04] <rendi> ic
[04:04] <zdennis> how do you send it them?
[04:04] <cafuego> zdennis: hit F5 in the normal vnc viewer
[04:04] <geeksauce> still can't start xmms
[04:04] <zdennis> ah
[04:04] <zdennis> thx
[04:04] <dibbon> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1807 | I am trying to install w32codecs :(
[04:04] <brenner> dibbon: we want /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <devrethman> any ideas??
[04:04] <belal122> what's the command for gconf that makes mailto handlers piont to www.gmail.com
[04:04] <IceDC571> i dont know anything about linux raid, sorry
[04:04] <wolki> rendi: if you just want system information, there are desktop monitors that don't take much cpu/ram.
[04:05] <devrethman> it did it when i tried without raid too
[04:05] <brenner> skreet: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58104&highlight=ati+howto
[04:05] <nikole> looking for mirror address for breezy - latest release | I can't get the install to recognize SATA drive....
[04:05] <geeksauce> nothing happens when i click or run from terminal
[04:05] <Nalioth> rendi: conky.sf.net
[04:05] <brenner> skreet: hang on, that might be unrelated. :)
[04:05] <cafuego> nikole: Use hoary.
[04:05] <IceDC571> nikole, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[04:05] <nikole> Ugh -- tried hoary too -- with expert
[04:06] <cafuego> what controller?
[04:06] <skreet> brenner, Hey, he's having the same issue ! :)
[04:06] <nikole> any special switches?
[04:06] <brenner> skreet: symlink seems to be the fix
[04:06] <dibbon> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1808
[04:06] <nikole> hold sec... 4get controller
[04:06] <brenner> skreet: ahem, what were you saying about forums being crap? :)
[04:06] <nikole> dell GX620 though...
[04:06] <cafuego> With a dell, you never know..
[04:06] <geeksauce> oh well, i'll try restart
[04:07] <brenner> dibbon: did you reload/apt-get update?
[04:07] <nikole> i'm historically a Debian fan... wanted to give Ubuntu a whirl
[04:07] <dibbon> that was what the previous paste was
[04:07] <dibbon> I thought apt update's output would say the same as the file
[04:07] <skreet> brenner, Perhaps I meant to say _my_ forum skills are crap.. Obviously you have the skills that pay the bills, or at least get my 3d working..
[04:08] <skreet> I do run an AMD64 as these 2 people do.
[04:08] <brenner> dibbon: ah, yep. sorry.
[04:08] <cafuego> skreet: amd64 with ati?
[04:08] <devrethman> ouch
[04:08] <devrethman> amd64 eith nvidia is bad ehough
[04:08] <wolki> does someone here have an idea how to build an mp3 alarm clock with ubuntu? rhythmbox doesn't work with at either :-/
[04:08] <cafuego> devrethman: amd64 with nvidia is trivial.
[04:09] <cafuego> wolki: mpg321 and cron?
[04:09] <skreet> cafuego, Trying..
[04:09] <skreet> cafuego, I think I'm failing -- but I am trying.
[04:09] <Nalioth> wolki: use cron + mpg123 or similar
[04:09] <cafuego> skreet: No chznce you can swap that card for an nvidia? (They compile/work fine)
[04:09] <wolki> cafuego: cron might be an idea, but that is so complicated... at is so easy to use... i'll try mpg123 though
[04:09] <skreet> cafuego, Oh yea, let me pull my X850XT PE real quick and buy a new video card..
[04:10] <skreet> cafuego,  :)
[04:10] <cafuego> skreet: Well, the think is...
[04:10] <nikole> in bios i even changed my sata to 'combination'
[04:10] <skreet> cafuego, I had an nvidia before.. i miss them :(
[04:10] <wolki> used to use a muine plugin, but it crashes with the new mono
[04:10] <cafuego> skreet: I checked compatibility BEFORE spending money ;-)
[04:10] <skreet> cafuego, Even the windows driviers SUCK
[04:10] <devrethman> amd64 is the problem
[04:10] <devrethman> it won't install
[04:10] <brenner> hmmm, has w32codecs been taken out of extras?
[04:10] <OohBattman> anyone know how to set up Nvidia dual screen?
[04:10] <rendi> gess
[04:10] <skreet> cafuego, Heh ;)
[04:10] <brenner> dibbon: your sources.list file seems to be ok
[04:10] <cafuego> devrethman: No it's not. If ATI provided decent drivers, they'd work fine.
[04:11] <brenner> OohBattman: didn't i send you a link?
[04:11] <OohBattman> did you?
[04:11] <skreet> cafuego, If I can find someone to give me what this card is worth I'd buy NV in a heartbeat. I cant even play KOTOR in windows..
[04:11] <devrethman> well, yea but they don't and it doesn't really make a difference until i can get it to install
[04:11] <OohBattman> i must have missed it, ill scroll up
[04:11] <cafuego> skreet: ouch
[04:11] <brenner> OohBattman: i did
[04:11] <skreet> cafuego, Yea, it's a known issue..
[04:11] <cafuego> devrethman: Again, that's a matter of research BEFORE buying hardware. it's not rocket science.
[04:11] <OohBattman> brenner, sweet, thanks :)
[04:11] <nikole> ahhh.. it's the govt's money  :-)
[04:11] <skreet> cafuego, ATI basically said "Yea, that dont work once you get to Dantoine" (sp?)
[04:12] <cafuego> skreet: scumbags <heh>
[04:12] <kevogod> !breezy
[04:12] <ubotu> breezy is, like, the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[04:12] <Nalioth> wolki: there are crontab editors to make your life easier
[04:12] <cafuego> jesus, they're doing overtime on debian-security-announce today
[04:12] <skreet> cafuego, Yea, I'm not too happy -- card runs great,  not to mention alot cooler than nvidia did.. but overall I think I'd rather have an nv card.
[04:12] <devrethman> cafeugo it is, and i did mine, but for some reason ubuntu won;t work
[04:12] <cafuego> devrethman: And that's amd64's fault?
[04:12] <Nalioth> cafuego: get off my wavelength
[04:12] <devrethman> no
[04:13] <cafuego> Nalioth: 2.4GHz is a free band, mate.
[04:13] <Nalioth> cafuego: not that, the xuhf my brain runs on
[04:13] <skreet> lol
[04:13] <brenner> dibbon: i think w32codecs might've been taken out of the repo
[04:13] <cafuego> Nalioth: been eating shrooms again, huh?
[04:13] <brenner> can anyone confirm this?
[04:14] <skreet> brenner, the universe or the ubuntuguide repos?
[04:14] <cafuego> !info w32codecs
[04:14] <DonL> The combination of my NVidia card and the AMD Athlon makes the top of the computer uncomfortably hot to touch in the summer
[04:14] <brenner> skreet: hoary-extras
[04:14] <skreet> DonL, I had a 6800GT and a Prescott Intel -- you're telling me.
[04:14] <skreet> DonL, I now have X850XT and AMD64 Venice -- cool all day long :)
[04:14] <DonL> skreet, doesn't seem to hurt it though
[04:14] <brenner> cafuego: already asked ubotu: Package 'w32codecs' does not exist.
[04:15] <kevogod> I have it installed...
find w32codecs <ubotu>:  Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'w32codecs' returned no results.
[04:15] <Nalioth> who wants w32codecs?
[04:15] <cafuego> !info w32codecs extras
[04:15] <skreet> DonL, You kidding, the nvidia control panel in windows would tell me that my nvidia card was doing 76c and that the thermal point was 120c! 120C is really hot!
[04:15] <brenner> Nalioth: dibbon
[04:15] <rendi> !wallpaper
[04:15] <ubotu> rendi: What?
[04:15] <kevogod> It's backports
[04:15] <skreet> 76c would burn a CPU any day - and that was when I wasnt gaming.
[04:15] <brenner> fudge
[04:15] <Nalioth> dibbon: go to www.mplayerhq.hu and download the codec package
[04:15] <kevogod> skreet: Not an Intel CPU
[04:16] <skreet> I dont know, my intel never ran that hot.
[04:16] <Nalioth> dibbon: they go in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:16] <kevogod> Those burn out at over 100
[04:16] <skreet> And it was a 2.8c Prescott 478 - probably one of the hottest.
[04:16] <skreet> *2.8e
[04:16] <cafuego> Aren't they DESIGNED for 80+C ?
[04:16] <dibbon> gracious!
[04:16] <dibbon> ^^
[04:16] <skreet> cafuego, You must be thinking of the G5
[04:16] <cafuego> What with needing a small nuclear reactor to power them...
[04:16] <kevogod> granted... running over 100 degrees C is not recommended....
[04:17] <skreet> cafuego, "With the unique all-in-one liquid cooling heatsink the G5 processor runs at a cool 88 degrees celcius" -- that was in a magazine somewhere..
[04:17] <DonL> I was worried about this one because I built this machine myself. Was used to Intel processors. Thought I had done something wrong and the cpu was burning up
[04:17] <skreet> kevogod, Unless you'd like to boil water...
[04:17] <skreet> DonL,  What are you running?
[04:18] <cafuego> skreet: <heh> That seems a bit over the top.
[04:18] <DonL> AMD 2600XP, MSI MX440
[04:18] <wolki> cafuego, Nalioth: at+mpg321 works, thank you. it's not a good solution because i have to edit the script to choose a new mp3 but it's much better than not waking up until a new muine plugin is done. :) thank you very much!
[04:18] <skreet> cafuego, I thought so.
[04:18] <skreet> DonL, I think i'd rather have the Mx440 right now, want to trade?
[04:18] <brenner> DonL: ah, mx440 ...my old card. :)
[04:18] <gusto5> lol skreet
[04:19] <dennis__> Guys
[04:19] <DonL> haha. Not likely. I'm really happy with it. Not the latest or greatest, but all I need
[04:19] <cafuego> skreet: The MX440 is not happy with the latest nvidia driver, afaik.
[04:19] <dennis__> Whats a good program to convert wma to mp3 in linux?
[04:19] <skreet> At least I could get GLX running in < 4 minutes.
[04:19] <skreet> cafuego, Nevermind then.
[04:19] <dennis__> Anyone know of one?
[04:19] <brenner> dennis__: you'll lose quality iirc
[04:19] <dennis__> :/
[04:19] <skreet> dennis__, Alot of quality
[04:19] <brenner> lossy -> lossy = very lossy
[04:19] <dennis__> Well
[04:19] <dennis__> I can't get it to play :/
[04:19] <brenner> dennis__: using what?
[04:19] <dennis__> I have all the codecs installed  and everything
[04:20] <skreet> dennis__, It's like converting cassett to vinal then vinal to CD.. it's gonna sound worse than cassett or vinal.
[04:20] <dennis__> I'm trying to get it to play in totem
[04:20] <DonL> cafuego, maybe I don't have the latest driver.
[04:20] <dennis__> And I already have the xine plugin
[04:20] <brenner> dennis__: install totem-xine
[04:20] <dennis__> brenner, i have it installed already
[04:21] <brenner> dennis__: what happens? does an error box pop up?
[04:21] <dennis__> Yeah
[04:21] <brenner> saying?
[04:21] <dennis__> Audio codec '0x0' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[04:22] <brenner> er, installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[04:22] <cafuego> CPU Temp:    +22C
[04:22] <dennis__> Yeah brenner
[04:22] <DonL> cafuego, apparently, I'm running 1.0-7174
[04:22] <CCFIEL> hello ppl...
[04:22] <CCFIEL> im back..
[04:23] <DaSkreech> ok Evince got screwed
[04:23] <CCFIEL> finally i have configure my 56k modem...
[04:23] <cafuego> !info nvidia-glx hoary
[04:23] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2980 kB, Installed size: 9752 kB
[04:23] <CCFIEL> in ubuntu...
[04:23] <cafuego> DonL: That seems right.
[04:23] <DaSkreech> how do I fix it? is there a apt-get reinstall?
[04:23] <CCFIEL> yeehey.......
[04:23] <cafuego> DonL: The altest is 7667 (breezy)
[04:23] <bur[n] er> ugh... rhythmbox is not hte most stable breezy thing these days ;)
[04:23] <DonL> seems good here, but I'm not touching breezy for a bit
[04:23] <dennis__> brenner, any idea whats up?
[04:23] <cafuego> that's not a bad idea ;-)
[04:24] <CCFIEL> can somebody point me...what should i install...i want to have a GUI...for pppconfig and..pon...what is a GUI app for this?
[04:24] <brenner> dennis__: i just tested a wma in totem, works fine....:-/
[04:24] <brenner> dennis__: i'm not sure actually....does w32codecs provide wma?
[04:25] <cafuego> brenner: it does, but wma9 might be badly supported anyways.
[04:25] <dennis__> :/
[04:25] <brenner> dennis__: have you installed w32codecs?
[04:25] <dennis__> Yes
[04:25] <cafuego> the 'w' in wma should hint at how badly it should be avoided ;-)
[04:25] <dennis__> lol
[04:25] <DonL> lol
[04:25] <dennis__> Its not my fault
[04:25] <dennis__> I got it off oink
[04:25] <dennis__> :/
[04:25] <cafuego> use them for using a proprietary closed format.
[04:26] <cafuego> .sue
[04:26] <cafuego> stupid autocorrect
[04:26] <DonL> A long while ago, I think I got my w32 codecs off Marillat, but I'm not sure that is a good idea
[04:26] <phrizer> speaking of totem, i just installed ubuntu about an hour ago, just tried to play a .avi and .mpg and it siad there were no decoders found...
[04:26] <tristanmike> you got it off of oink and it's a wma?
[04:26] <dennis__> Phrizer
[04:26] <brenner> dennis__: gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[04:26] <dennis__> Read the wiki
[04:26] <dennis__> Yes
[04:26] <phrizer> okay ;o
[04:26] <dennis__> Everything is setup
[04:26] <cafuego> !RestrictedFormats
[04:26] <ubotu> restrictedformats is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[04:26] <dennis__> I followed the guide
[04:26] <dennis__> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:26] <IceDC571> oh god
[04:26] <dennis__> Everything is setup fine
[04:26] <cafuego> phrizer: ^^ visit that url.
[04:26] <dennis__> What?
[04:26] <brenner> hehe
[04:27] <DaSkreech> can I use apt to reinstall or is that only Synaptic?
[04:27] <dennis__> I found the guide more helpful than the wiki
[04:27] <cafuego> IceDC571: yes, my son?
[04:27] <Nalioth> dennis__: no you didnt.. .. ..
[04:27] <dennis__> ??
[04:27] <brenner> dennis__: they're ubguide haters
[04:27] <dennis__> lol
[04:27] <Nalioth> dennis__: be careful of the guide
[04:27] <dennis__> :/
[04:27] <dennis__> :?
[04:27] <Nalioth> brenner: we dont like fixin boxes cuz of it
[04:27] <brenner> DaSkreech: synaptic is easier...i'm sure apt-get would have an option
[04:27] <geeksauce> xmms works fine now, thanks guys
[04:27] <dennis__> Don't hate
[04:28] <cafuego> "Ubuntuguide said I had to run 'rm -rf /' and now I can't log in..."
[04:28] <dennis__> lol
[04:28] <dennis__> I got tricked into doing that once
[04:28] <dennis__> By a friend
[04:28] <dennis__> :/
[04:28] <dennis__> When I first started using linux
[04:28] <brenner> ex-friend? :)
[04:28] <bytefoo> :/
[04:28] <DonL> Must admit, I did have some problems, and turned off the repository after
[04:28] <dennis__> Hehe
[04:28] <dennis__> It was on FreeBSD though
[04:28] <cafuego> hit ctrl-c quicly enough to not have trashed /bin
[04:28] <dennis__> :P
[04:28] <bytefoo> OiNK
[04:29] <bytefoo> :|
[04:29] <dennis__> I was drunk ;)
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> in SCO, /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin
[04:29] <belal122> how do you install the pitfdll plugin?  is there any repository I can use to get it with apt?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> .. don't accidentally delete
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> .. on a machine that's in another country
[04:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: In SCO, white is black.
[04:29] <brenner> dennis__: that doesn't tell you to install totem-xine!
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: tell me about it, I despised that machine
[04:29] <robertbb> y0 HrdwrBoB
[04:29] <dennis__> But I have it installed
[04:29] <dennis__> I installed it yesterdya brenner
[04:29] <brenner> damn
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[04:29] <robertbb> Tell me..
[04:29] <dennis__> Fuck it
[04:29] <brenner> thought i had it
[04:29] <brenner> :)
[04:29] <dennis__> Fuck windows and their shitty codecs
[04:29] <dennis__> I'll just go find the mp3 version
[04:30] <cafuego> dennis__: that's the spirit!
[04:30] <brenner> dennis__: that's the spirit
[04:30] <IceDC571> lol
[04:30] <dennis__> :)
[04:30] <tristanmike> dennis__, isn't wma against the rules of Oink?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> robertbb: tell you...
[04:30] <dennis__> Yeah
[04:30] <robertbb> I wanna stick Hoary on this laptop. I also want to go to breezy when it comes out. If I install hoary and then apt-get distupgrade to breezy, will the install be any "less clean" than a vanilla breezy install would be?
[04:30] <dennis__> Thats why I'm pissed
[04:30] <DewDude> is it now?
[04:30] <DewDude> they used to allow it
[04:30] <IceDC571> which one is more evil.. wma or aac?
[04:30] <geeksauce> new question:  i can't seem to set my resolution any highter than 1024x768...i would like to set it to 1280x1024
[04:30] <tristanmike> dennis__, did you report it, I would that site is so posh
[04:30] <DewDude> wma
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> robertbb: no
[04:30] <dennis__> :P
[04:30] <brenner> robertbb: afaik, shouldn't be
[04:30] <dennis__> That site is awesome
[04:30] <DewDude> AAC does have some free decoders
[04:30] <brenner> ubotu: tell geeksauce about fixres
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> robertbb: the upgrade will be tested as well as the install
[04:30] <IceDC571> DewDude, oh yeah.. forgot about that
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> robertbb: it's *possible* but highly unlikely
[04:31] <DewDude> AAC is a nice format
[04:31] <tristanmike> dennis__, but I find them too strict on policy
[04:31] <belal122> aac n wmv both bad.  just buy real CDs and rip to ogg.
[04:31] <dennis__> Nah
[04:31] <IceDC571> theres Pystel which wasnt really free and theres FAAC
[04:31] <JMeeter> hey
[04:31] <oneseventeen_> does breezy use a new kernel, if so, will it make a new module path and therefore cause me to reinstall my modules?
[04:31] <dennis__> I've never had any problems with them
[04:31] <DewDude> well
[04:31] <robertbb> HrdwrBoB: So not likely to have any unecessary files or users/groups etc?
[04:31] <DewDude> FAAC plays everything iv'e given it
[04:31] <oneseventeen_> (when upgrading)
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> robertbb: any issues are likely to be minor and easily rectified in any case
[04:31] <DewDude> my windows machine is the music machine
[04:31] <skaja> ubuntu sees my modem but it wont dial the number
[04:31] <DewDude> it's got the expensive sound setup
[04:31] <IceDC571> DewDude, what sound card?
[04:32] <DewDude> SB audigy 2
[04:32] <brenner> oneseventeen_: 2.6.13 iirc
[04:32] <DewDude> i'm using KX drivers
[04:32] <whyameye> How do I partition and format a USB drive?
[04:32] <DewDude> with a DirectSound SSRC plugin to upsample to 96/24 so the p16v module is the only thing running
[04:32] <IceDC571> DewDude, i got a modded Audigy 2 but gave it away.. sadly
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> whyameye: same as a normal drive
[04:32] <DewDude> modded audigy 2?
[04:32] <oneseventeen_> brenner: I guess I'm just curious if I'll have to reinstall my wireless drivers/video drivers with the new kernel
[04:32] <DaSkreech> dennis__: is that me?
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> whyameye: it will appear as a SCSI drive
[04:32] <DewDude> modded...how?
[04:32] <skaja> i dont think you can boot off a usb drive
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> skaja:  you can
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> I'm doing it right now :)
[04:33] <IceDC571> DewDude, i got the stuff on it modded so it sounds better by some guy named X86Dude at HardOCP
[04:33] <oneseventeen_> weird... i just noticed my laptop's touchpad scroll bar works in ubuntu! (never really tried it)
[04:33] <DewDude> heh
[04:33] <DewDude> i don't know what could have been modded
[04:33] <IceDC571> DewDude, but im curious about the new soundblaster X-Fi or whatever its called
[04:33] <DonL> oneseventeen_, cool
[04:33] <DewDude> oh
[04:33] <DewDude> i am too
[04:33] <DewDude> i got a preorder in
[04:33] <whyameye> HrdwrBoB, so where will I find the drive? /dev/???
[04:33] <geeksauce> brenner: what is this fixres you speak of?  didn't find anything useful after googling for it
[04:33] <DewDude> $499
[04:33] <brenner> oneseventeen_: can't tell you to be honest...never tried breezy
[04:34] <brenner> geeksauce: ubotu should have pm'ed you a link
[04:34] <IceDC571> DewDude, haha you really like your sound dont you?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> brenner: Hmm suppose I can't use synaptic at the moment?
[04:34] <geeksauce> ahhh my bad, i see it now
[04:34] <DewDude> IceDC571, ever heard of TheAudioShack
[04:34] <rendi> what mean that in english ??
[04:34] <DewDude> you probably haven't
[04:34] <IceDC571> DewDude, cant say i have
[04:34] <geeksauce> thanks brenner
[04:34] <DewDude> ever been on Oink?
[04:34] <ssdd65> is there a ubuntu pkg for gkrellm
[04:34] <skaja> what i'm i doing wrong
[04:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> Hey, Sina.
[04:34] <brenner> DaSkreech: man apt-get
[04:35] <IceDC571> DewDude, um... no
[04:35] <DewDude> there's a 96/24 FLAC of the Manson Personal Jesus 10" floating around
[04:35] <brenner> DanusMcAnus: there's a --reinstall option
[04:35] <sinasilver4> Hello.. Name I don't know.
[04:35] <nikole> apt-cache search gkrellm
[04:35] <robotgeek> ssdd65: shud be there
[04:35] <DewDude> i ripped that
[04:35] <IceDC571> DewDude, are you serious??
[04:35] <lunitik> ssdd65: its in universe
[04:35] <DewDude> yes
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I did didn't seem to have much helpful
[04:35] <DewDude> i good vinyl rips
[04:35] <ssdd65> under what catigory/
[04:35] <DewDude> DVD-quality vinyl rips
[04:35] <IceDC571> very, very nice
[04:35] <IceDC571> i'm impressed
[04:35] <Madpilot> DewDude: how on earth do you rip vinyl?
[04:36] <brenner> ssdd65: use the search function
[04:36] <skaja> can i get some info on the actiontec pci callwaiting modem
[04:36] <ssdd65> thanks...
[04:36] <DewDude> oops
[04:36] <DewDude> i wonder if i'm still connected
[04:36] <Madpilot> skaja: www.google.com
[04:36] <IceDC571> DewDude, connected to what?
[04:36] <DewDude> heh
[04:36] <DewDude> my switch
[04:37] <brenner> Madpilot: you're so full of knowledge *looks up in awe*
[04:37] <DewDude> it's got a bad power plug
[04:37] <skaja> i want the info for ubuntu
[04:37] <DewDude> i bumped it with my foot and it lost power
[04:37] <whyameye> HrdwrBoB, so I found the drive as sda. But I can't mount it right? Because it isn't formatted yet...
[04:37] <IceDC571> DewDude, im guessing linux is far from being able to decode 96/24 flac files? i mean it can but is alsa capable of such an output?
[04:37] <DewDude> but...how do you rip vinyl? in real-time...with a decent card
[04:37] <DewDude> ...i don't know
[04:37] <Madpilot> brenner: I try, I try... ;) but seriously, if you know the model name/number of something, google is your best bet..
[04:37] <DewDude> my software for restoration is Windows only
[04:37] <DewDude> that's why i have to have a windows machine
[04:38] <sinasilver4> Anyone know where I could get printer drivers for a HP Deskjet 842C? :P
[04:38] <skaja> i found the way to set up my modem with debian but ubuntu is missing the file i need
[04:38] <brenner> Madpilot: i know...personally i wouldn't have bothered with the www. and the .com :)
[04:38] <IceDC571> DewDude, what software and drives do you use to rip your stuff with?
[04:38] <DewDude> now now
[04:38] <DewDude> if i told everyone...i'd not have a shot at going pro
[04:39] <brenner> let's all shake fists at him
[04:39] <nikole> didja try cups for printer drivers? http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_842C
[04:39] <DewDude> i did manage to get remastering CD credits on an actual CD
[04:39] <DonL> sinasilver4, did you google it?
[04:39] <IceDC571> i see
[04:39] <IceDC571> would you ever use apple?
[04:39] <zenwhen> i do
[04:39] <DewDude> IceDC571, me...use apple?
[04:39] <ssdd65> thanks again...
[04:39] <sinasilver4> I've never heard of it before.. Thank you.
[04:39] <DewDude> for what?
[04:39] <IceDC571> DewDude, yep.. for music
[04:39] <DewDude> no
[04:40] <DewDude> lack of 96/24
[04:40] <DewDude> OSX might
[04:40] <DonL> sinasilver4, were the drivers not already there?
[04:40] <brenner> skaja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[04:40] <DewDude> but..the mac software is EXPENSIVE
[04:40] <vices> where would I go to look for a redirect service for a webpage?
[04:40] <DewDude> hardware wise...i'm on a mac right now ;)
[04:41] <DewDude> vices: www.dyndns.org\
[04:41] <DonL> DewDude, which one?
[04:41] <Nalioth> DewDude: fink and darwinports
[04:41] <vices> DewDude: thanks
[04:41] <DaSkreech> brenner: Ah Fixed it :)
[04:41] <DewDude> which what? which hardware
[04:41] <DaSkreech> brenner: Removed ubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <DewDude> iMac G3 DV
[04:41] <IceDC571> DewDude, im getting an iMac soon... but i love music so much so i was wondering if its possible to rip flac files on OSX
[04:41] <DonL> Ok
[04:41] <DewDude> i'm sure it is
[04:41] <frank23> what are the chances that my alsa driver supports 5.1? I know my hardware does
[04:41] <DewDude> i know you can do it in linux
[04:41] <Nalioth> IceDC571: yes, it is possible
[04:42] <brenner> DaSkreech: i don't get you....but glad to hear it's fixed. :)
[04:42] <IceDC571> franks23, i'd say theres a 75% chance it would support it
[04:42] <DaSkreech> brenner: Ubuntu-desktop forced the package to reinstall :)
[04:42] <skaja> i have did that step i type in sudo pon and nothing happends
[04:42] <morale> has anyone had success getting the ATI drivers installed on ubuntu on an amd64 system?
[04:42] <brenner> DaSkreech: ah, ok.
[04:42] <brenner> *chuckle*
[04:42] <DaSkreech> brenner: So it's all good now :)
[04:42] <IceDC571> Nalioth, what software would i use to listen to my flacs? or might there be an itunes plugin?
[04:43] <IceDC571> ack.. forget itunes its not gapless
[04:43] <brenner> morale: skreet's trying to :)
[04:43] <morale> ah.. is he around right now?
[04:43] <IceDC571> DewDude, whats your lossy format of choice?
[04:43] <brenner> skaja: you set up your isp stuff all correctly?
[04:44] <DewDude> well, depends on my requirements
[04:44] <DonL> Very cool. Since Macs are now using unix, there's devinitely an overlapping of interests. Shows in places like this. I think it's healthy
[04:44] <brenner> morale: half-joking....he's having problems
[04:44] <kevogod> Vorbis man.
[04:44] <brenner> skreet: ping
[04:44] <whyameye> what's the command to format a drive in Linux to ext3
[04:44] <DewDude> if i want to archive something in lossy..i go musepack
[04:44] <JMeeter> http://forums.neverside.com/post/770108/
[04:44] <morale> brenner, yeah.. he may be on the same track as me though.. im trying to find out why my ld.so linker is not following symbolic links correctly.
[04:44] <IceDC571> what about on an ipod?
[04:44] <skaja> can some one hell me where the S30setserial file is?
[04:44] <brenner> morale: exact same problem
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[04:45] <brenner> morale: pci-e card?
[04:45] <DewDude> never infer i'd own that POS
[04:45] <morale> hmm.. since it is all the same partition.. maybe i should try hard links..
[04:45] <morale> brenner, yeah it is..
[04:45] <DewDude> and never say ipod when you mean "portable media player"
[04:45] <morale> asus x300 or something
[04:45] <Nalioth> IceDC571: fink.sourceforge.net and darwinports.opendarwin.org are gonna be really helpful to you
[04:45] <brenner> morale: these the official ati drivers?
[04:45] <kevogod> Musepack may have been better than Vorbis at one time, but that certainly is not true now.
[04:45] <morale> brenner, yes..
[04:45] <DewDude> no
[04:45] <IceDC571> hahaha. okk..
[04:45] <DewDude> musepack is better than vorbis
[04:45] <morale> ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-x86_64.run
[04:45] <brenner> morale: this is uncanny. :)
[04:45] <DewDude> vorbis is good, yes
[04:45] <DewDude> however
[04:46] <DewDude> musepack does a nicer job
[04:46] <brenner> morale: i sent him this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58104&highlight=ati+howto
[04:46] <brenner> morale: he's since nicked off
[04:46] <morale> ah.
[04:46] <DewDude> i've been using ogg a lot for transcoding for the iRiver
[04:46] <DewDude> cuz it now somewhat plays ogg
[04:46] <morale> i'll have a lookie see at that, i have been googling all night
[04:46] <brenner> morale: he reminisced about how much better nvidia cards were
[04:46] <vices> DewDude: anticipating becoming an experienced user, do I want my own dns, or a custom provided dns?
[04:46] <brenner> then he's been quiet for a while
[04:46] <IceDC571> i got an ipod a year back.. since then its been sitting in the dust, i dont know what to get now
[04:46] <morale> yeah..
[04:46] <IceDC571> for a portable media player
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> vices: you don't want your own DNS
[04:47] <nikole> whyameye -->    'tune2fs'    for ext2 to ext3
[04:47] <skaja> i have done this http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwifaq.html#installlinux and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[04:47] <Nalioth> good thing, too
[04:47] <IceDC571> ive been looking at the iriver and creative
[04:47] <kevogod> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=7e2d74923a536b1f86816260c137d056&showtopic=36465&st=0
[04:47] <reiki> IceDC571: you can use an iPod as a flash drive. Don't let it go COMPLETELY to waste :)
[04:47] <morale> i like nvidia, but i wasn't going to pay an extra 100$ for something decent with dvi from my wholesaler.
[04:47] <geeksauce> second problem resolved, lol
[04:47] <brenner> morale: might be worth pinging him....you can work together. :)
[04:47] <frank23> IceDC571: yeah... I checked and the via82xx does support 5.1 but I'm way too lazy to try and set this up properly!
[04:47] <brenner> morale: gtg, good luck
[04:47] <morale> brenner, yeah already did that :) he seems to be away.
[04:47] <IceDC571> frank23, have you tried just booting up with a livecd to see if it works?
[04:48] <brenner> morale: well, search for other forum topics maybe.....mailing list is there as well
[04:48] <DewDude> ok....now my CDROM isn't mounting
[04:48] <brenner> later
[04:48] <frank23> Well I don't even have speakers right now so it will have to wait
[04:48] <skaja> is there a diffrent place i can look
[04:48] <Agrajag> so hey, I've been using an athlon xp 2000+ for a while now, and I just got a 3000+. Is it worth it at this point to install the 64-bit version of ubuntu or are there enough bugs that I should stick with the 32-bit one?
[04:48] <frank23> IceDC571: would kaffeine be able to output 5.1 from a DVD, do you think?
[04:49] <IceDC571> frank23, i have no idea.. im not a kde user
[04:49] <whyameye> if I want to find a certain word in the man pages, how would I do it?
[04:49] <geeksauce> i just need to get rythymbox to work so i can use my ipod with it.  i tried re-installing gstreamer, but still no luck
[04:49] <Agrajag> whyameye: with the man page open, hit / and the word you're looking for, then enter
[04:50] <Nalioth> Agrajag: no bugs, just more usability with the 32bit arch(es)
[04:50] <Agrajag> unless you're looking for the word in multiple pages, in which case apropos might be better
[04:50] <Agrajag> Nalioth: oh ok, probably stick to 32 then
[04:50] <nikole> whyameye: after / just his 'n' or next word
[04:50] <DonL> Agrajag, probably just as well
[04:50] <kevogod> Is Ubuntu going to support Windows key combinations (out of the box) in the future?
[04:51] <geeksauce> what else should i try to get rythymbox to work?
[04:51] <DewDude> fucking hell
[04:51] <Nalioth> kevogod: it already supports some windows=key=combos
[04:51] <DonL> kevogod, the best combinations problably already exist
[04:51] <kevogod> Nalioth: In Hoary?
[04:51] <Nalioth> DewDude: please, there are women and children present
[04:51] <DewDude> sorry
[04:51] <DewDude> i typed before i thought
[04:51] <Nalioth> kevogod: yes, i use windows combos alla time
[04:52] <Nalioth> kevogod: start kubuntu and hit the "windows key"
[04:52] <kevogod> I am using Ubuntu
[04:52] <kevogod> not KDE Ubuntu
[04:52] <dibbon> I was installing mplayer with GUI and I got Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[04:52] <kevogod> Windows key does nothing for me.
[04:52] <rendi> guy's how to change my cursos
[04:53] <Nalioth> kevogod: well let me inform you the "windows key" makes the "K"menu pop right up
[04:53] <DonL> kevogod, nor me. Wait a minute, I don't have a windows key
[04:53] <Nalioth> dibbon: install "xlibs-dev"
[04:53] <dibbon> ty
[04:53] <frank23> dibbon: why not install mplayer from synaptic/
[04:53] <frank23> ?
[04:53] <rendi> any one ?
[04:53] <kevogod> Granted, Windows + F* keys work, but those aren't very convenient.
[04:53] <bob2> I don't think swearing in here has anything to do with "women and children" being present
[04:54] <bob2> kevogod: file a wishlist bug asking for it
[04:54] <whyameye> what's the best command to use to copy the entire contents of a drive, including hidden/system files etc.?
[04:54] <nightswim> rsync
[04:54] <Madpilot> bob2: no, these days they know all the words too...;)
[04:54] <nikole> sata still not detected... maddening.  lspci shows 'unknown device'
[04:54] <bob2> some americans have odd views
[04:54] <bob2> whyameye: cp -a, or tar, or rsync
[04:54] <Nalioth> frank23: i'll say that a recompiled mplayer is a lot nicer (the default one doesnt have hardly anthing compiled into it, due to ubuntu being 'by default' patent free)
[04:55] <bob2> you need to be more specific about what you're doing
[04:55] <bob2> mplayer in multiverse includes all sorts of nasty things
[04:55] <Nalioth> kevogod: windows + e, winkey + f, etc work
[04:55] <geeksauce> when i try to import a folder into my library, it says there is no plugin installed to support an mp3 file.  what plugin do i need to install?
[04:55] <Nalioth> kevogod: so most of the win key combos function
[04:55] <Madpilot> !tell geeksauce about mp3
[04:55] <bob2> geeksauce: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (linked from the FAQ)
[04:56] <DonL> I have a system that works so well. Must admit that most stuff I got working long enough ago that I forget how I did it
[04:56] <kevogod> Nalioth: Although that is in KDE.
[04:56] <DewDude> how is mp3 a restricted format...is it because Fraunhoffer wants royalties?
[04:56] <morale> look at that, i know exactly what is wrong.. i need a 64-bit gcc compiler so i can build these 64-bit libraries
[04:56] <frank23> Nalioth: well I have no idea what I'm missing then
[04:56] <nikole> installing ubuntu - tried hoary/breezy - unknown controller - cannot find SATA drive
[04:56] <Nalioth> frank23: dibbon: i recompiled my own mplayer (didgnt get it from the repos)
[04:56] <belal122> i hate mplayer... and xine.
[04:56] <geeksauce> thanks
[04:57] <Nalioth> kevogod: it is up to gnome to integrate more win-key-combos into it
[04:57] <frank23> Nalioth: what do you have that I don't?
[04:57] <bob2> DewDude: it's patent-encumbered
[04:57] <DewDude> ahhh
[04:57] <Nalioth> DewDude: yes
[04:57] <belal122> canonical needs to throw out that trashy rhythm box and put in beep media player as default
[04:57] <DonL> belal122, mplayer is the one that works consistently well for me, through all kinds of distros
[04:57] <FR500> hello
[04:57] <bob2> DewDude: and yes, fraunhoffer want money
[04:57] <dreamie> how do you do a search in bitchx?
[04:57] <Nalioth> morale: that is a journey you will remember
[04:57] <kevogod> Nalioth: Well, Ubuntu could add its own.
[04:57] <DewDude> heh
[04:57] <DewDude> they sure haven't gotten any from me
[04:57] <belal122> donL, it's a headache
[04:57] <DewDude> i wonder how badly they got screwed
[04:57] <bob2> Nalioth: what formats can mplayer in multiverse not play?
[04:58] <FR500> how do i know if i have usb module driber (CONFIG_USB_ACM) compiled in kernel?
[04:58] <DonL> belal122, it was until it worked
[04:58] <DewDude> considering i've yet to see a pc that hasn't played it back
[04:58] <kevogod> I know how to add the shortcuts/combinations, but that's beside the point.
[04:58] <Nalioth> bob2: idk, i didnt even know there was one there
[04:58] <Nalioth> bob2: i tend to compile my own stuff with my own codec requirements in them
[04:58] <bob2> kevogod: if you want windows shortcuts b ydefault, file a wishlist bug
[04:58] <belal122> donL: i guess, but i don't know.  i just have a problem with it, it seems like a very messy program compared to totem/gstreamer
[04:59] <kevogod> bob2: I will.
[04:59] <bob2> no one you're talking to here has the power to change it
[04:59] <whyameye> bob2, thanks. I went with cp -a and it's working great!
[04:59] <DonL> belal122, whatever works for you.
[04:59] <frank23> Nalioth: I installed mplayer and w32codecs from the repos and have yet to find something I can't play (expect drmed .wmv)
[04:59] <morale> hmm.. how do you force gcc to build 64-bit binaries?
[05:00] <Nalioth> frank23: ok. i listen to mp4/aac and that rot
[05:00] <bob2> morale: you mean "I'm running the Ubunut i386 port on an amd64, and I'd like to compile an amd64 binary"?
[05:00] <DonL> Just looked out the window. Holy Purple Sky. Dusk here. Sorry to change subject
[05:00] <rendi> hello ??
[05:01] <dibbon> GTK Devel packages means gnome-devel ?
[05:01] <skaja> ok i have a hardware modem
[05:01] <Nalioth> rendi  :?
[05:01] <rendi> :o)
[05:01] <Nalioth> dibbon: use synaptic, and search for -dev
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: no, it means libgtk2.0-dev
[05:01] <rendi> how to change my cursor ?
[05:01] <skaja> :(|)
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: if you're compiling a gnome thing, tho, gnome-devel will get all you need
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: as long as you have build-essential, too
[05:02] <rendi> [05:02] <bob2> rendi: please don't.
[05:02] <rendi> can ? how ?
[05:02] <skaja> so how do i get my modem to dial using ubuntu
[05:03] <IceDC571> DewDude, you back yet?
[05:03] <bob2> skaja: er, search the wiki?
[05:03] <DewDude> yeah
[05:03] <DewDude> i never actually left
[05:03] <DewDude> dude..i got iTux sitting next to the PC monitor
[05:03] <absinthe_> Breezy is like 10 times faster than Hoary
[05:03] <IceDC571> DewDude, iTux?
[05:03] <RedGhost> this is my first few days using ubuntu (or any linux for that matter) can someone reccomend a good AV? (prefered free)
[05:03] <DewDude> that's what i named my bx
[05:03] <DonL> skaja, sorry I've never done that so I don't know how to help you
[05:03] <DewDude> box
[05:04] <DewDude> cuz it's an iMac..with linux...iTux
[05:04] <IceDC571> ohh
[05:04] <Nalioth> RedGhost: clamav
[05:04] <bob2> skaja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto, for instance
[05:04] <IceDC571> haha nice :)
[05:04] <frank23> RedGhost: you don't need one ;-)
[05:04] <bob2> RedGhost: note that you don't need one for ubuntu
[05:04] <firebird619> Hi, I have an external modem which I have set up in System ==> Administration ==> Networking. I tried to configure the modem using wvdial, but it says Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory. I have entered the information I need to in /etc/wvdial.conf, including /dev/ttyS0 which is where the modem is at. It also says Warning: section [Dialer Defaults]  does not exist in wvdial.conf, however, when I open the wvdial.conf file
[05:04] <DewDude> my XP machine is named MediaPimp
[05:04] <bob2> RedGhost: it's only useful if you're scanning files for windows machines
[05:04] <skaja> bob i cant get that to work
[05:04] <IceDC571> DewDude, so what do you think about this "SuperRip" feature by creative? haha
[05:04] <RedGhost> lol why is that
[05:04] <Hmmmm> hullo there people
[05:04] <IceDC571> it seems a little strange to me
[05:04] <bob2> skaja: how could anyone possibly help you unless you explain what isn't working?
[05:04] <DewDude> superrip?
[05:04] <skaja> i type in sudo pon and nothing happends
[05:04] <Hmmmm> need some help with security
[05:04] <RedGhost> i ran kaspersky, avast prom and noron on windows :x
[05:05] <IceDC571> "The X-Fi 24-bit Crystalizer and X-Fi CMSS-3D features allow you to "SuperRip" CDs into Xtreme Fidelity quality so you can now enjoy permanently enhanced music instead of low-quality MP3 files!"
[05:05] <RedGhost> norton*
[05:05] <kevogod> lol
[05:05] <DewDude> oh
[05:05] <DewDude> HAH
[05:05] <DewDude> i don't know
[05:05] <bob2> skaja: er, did you watch your logs?
[05:05] <Hmmmm> i have users logging in through an application and they are allowed to execute code in /tmp
[05:05] <bob2> IceDC571: that's marketing crap
[05:05] <Nalioth> RedGhost: linux has no known viruses
[05:05] <DewDude> well...yes and no
[05:05] <DewDude> you can't fix bad mp3's
[05:05] <RedGhost> lol what the fuck
[05:05] <Hmmmm> i want to make sure they can delete or overwrite other people files in /tmp
[05:05] <bob2> RedGhost: language please
[05:05] <bob2> Hmmmm: that's a terrible idea
[05:05] <Hmmmm> bob2, i know
[05:05] <DewDude> but if you're running 44.1, you could use some advanced interpolation models to attempt to up to like..96
[05:05] <bob2> Hmmmm: but removing the t permission from /tmp will do that
[05:05] <RedGhost> your saying no programmer has never gone through the trouble of enginerring a virus
[05:06] <RedGhost> and sorry for the swear
[05:06] <Hmmmm> i am going to move it to /home
[05:06] <IceDC571> i hate mp3's.. i can hear the difference no matter what bitrate its at
[05:06] <bob2> DewDude: that's crap too
[05:06] <DewDude> heh
[05:06] <Hmmmm> but as of now i have to make do with /tmp
[05:06] <DewDude> yeah
[05:06] <phayze2> RedGhost: most exploits are patched within a few hours
[05:06] <Hmmmm> is there a  way around this?
[05:06] <DewDude> bob: i'll be the judge around that
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: how would a virus get to run on your machine to begin with?
[05:06] <DewDude> err
[05:06] <DewDude> of
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: don't run random crap from the internet and you'll be fine
[05:06] <Nalioth> RedGhost: the operation of *nix sort of precludes any major damage/gain from a virus
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: and make sure you keep u pwith security updates
[05:06] <RedGhost> haha i dont, dont worry
[05:06] <FR500> im new to kernel stuff, i have to add  CONFIG_USB_ACM support, how do i do that?
[05:06] <geeksauce> problem solved.  thnaks
[05:06] <bob2> DewDude: you can't use interpolation to create more detail than was there to begin with
[05:07] <skaja> my modem does not make a dialing out noise i tryed this i typed in sudo pon then loaded up fire fox and typed in google.com and it would not load the page
[05:07] <IceDC571> DewDude, ever heard of PlexTools? its my favorite ripping software
[05:07] <DewDude> i'm not saying you'll get more detail
[05:07] <RedGhost> hmm, ive never done any nix programming only windows, (thats the reason i installed linux for programming reasons) so i dont know much about unix internals
[05:07] <bob2> FR500: it's already enabled in ubuntu kernels...
[05:07] <DewDude> you'll be more analog sounding audio
[05:07] <bob2> wtf
[05:07] <FR500> bob2: ok
[05:07] <bob2> that's filtering, not interpolation
[05:07] <FR500> then unsupported device i guess
[05:07] <DewDude> umm
[05:07] <bob2> FR500: it's a module, maybe it's not being autoloaded
[05:07] <DewDude> depends how you look at it
[05:07] <bob2> skaja: look at your logs
[05:08] <FR500> bob2: modprobe acm rite?
[05:08] <Hmmmm> bob2, removing the t makes it unsticky. right?
[05:08] <skaja> i dont know how to do that
[05:08] <DewDude> if you've got 44100 samples and you wanna take it to 96...you can't filter the extra samples in
[05:08] <RedGhost> well ill check out clamav, thanks for the advice all
[05:08] <Nalioth> RedGhost: have fun with this (it's old but revelant) http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[05:08] <bob2> FR500: I dunno, find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*acm*"
[05:08] <DewDude> most of the filtering done in SSRC is due to the fact a basic resampling causes haromic distortion
[05:08] <tritium> upsampling is in fact a form of discrete filtering
[05:08] <FR500> KM
[05:08] <DewDude> well, maybe it is
[05:09] <bob2> Hmmmm: yeah
[05:09] <Nalioth> tritium: howdy
[05:09] <skaja> bob so how do i look at the logs
[05:09] <tritium> hi Nalioth, bob2
[05:09] <bob2> hey tritium
[05:09] <bob2> skaja: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:09] <Hmmmm> and why wouldi want to make it unsticky, if i may ask?
[05:09] <DewDude> i've not heard the Xi-Fi "superrip"
[05:09] <DewDude> i don't know exactly how it works..i've come to not use hardware DSP's
[05:09] <DewDude> everything i do in software
[05:10] <bob2> Hmmmm: ?
[05:10] <RedGhost> nalioth, lol i really coulda used that a few days ago, that should be a great help ty
[05:10] <DewDude> except EQ
[05:10] <bob2> Hmmmm: man chmod, "STICKY DIRECTORIES" explains what it means
[05:10] <DewDude> i got a nice piece of analog hardware to do my EQ for me
[05:10] <bob2> I stand by my opinion that "Xtreme Fidelity" is some sort of lie invented by their marketing department, tho
[05:10] <Hmmmm> thanks bob2, lemme check it out...
[05:11] <IceDC571> well its not that bad
[05:11] <DewDude> would you say "Advanced Resolution" on DVD-Audio is a marketing gimmick?
[05:11] <tritium> the human ear can't hear much beyond 22k, so sampling at Nyquist (44k) is sufficient.  96k is overkill
[05:11] <DewDude> good god
[05:11] <rendi> what's the best editor for html guy's like macromedia mx
[05:11] <DewDude> you people
[05:11] <DewDude> like
[05:11] <bob2> I don't know what "Advanced Resolution" is
[05:11] <rendi> anyone know ?
[05:11] <IceDC571> bob2, im surprised my live card sounds SO MUCH better than on windows, linux really brings out its full potential
[05:11] <DewDude> you take nyquist theory so literally
[05:12] <IceDC571> and creative havent updated their live drivers in years
[05:12] <bob2> but claiming you can extract more information from a CD than is there is a lie
[05:12] <tritium> DewDude, of course.
[05:12] <bob2> IceDC571: heh
[05:12] <DewDude> i never said you could
[05:12] <DonL> tritium, maybe it's the system your dog or cat needs
[05:12] <DonL> lol
[05:12] <tritium> DonL, ?
[05:12] <DewDude> it's not about what your ears can hear
[05:12] <DewDude> it's about digital sampling
[05:12] <DewDude> and analog sound
[05:12] <whyameye> I have been trying "kill -9 <PID>" and the process won't die. It's some sort of disk read and the disk activity light is on...
[05:12] <bob2> IceDC571: I'm always astounded by how shit i810 audio sounds, I need to move my sblive to the new desktop
[05:13] <bob2> whyameye: it's unkillable then
[05:13] <tritium> DewDude, if your ears can't tell a difference, what's the point?
[05:13] <DewDude> i can
[05:13] <DewDude> to a degree
[05:13] <frank23> DewDude: Iam wondering where you're going with: It's not what your ears can hear
[05:13] <DonL> tritium, just a joke about their hearing is better than ours... lol
[05:13] <DewDude> it's more about preserving the original waveform
[05:13] <bob2> what is the point of anything you can't hear?
[05:13] <DewDude> you gotta remember...audio is analog
[05:13] <tritium> DewDude, perhaps you have sensitivity above 22k.
[05:13] <bob2> you can't preserve the original waveform
[05:13] <DewDude> you can get closer
[05:13] <whyameye> bob2, the unkillable process is a disk read. Now I can't access the disk... The disk is damaged, BTW....
[05:13] <bob2> yes
[05:13] <Nalioth> rendi: i know nothing like macromedia for html
[05:13] <DewDude> 96k preserves more of the wave than 44.1
[05:13] <tritium> No, sampling at Nyquist allows for perfect reconstruction
[05:13] <tritium> No
[05:13] <Madpilot> rendi: Bluefish or Screem (I prefer Screem)... ask ubotu about html
[05:13] <DewDude> bull
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: yeah, then you're screwed
[05:14] <DewDude> it doesn't
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: the kernel ca't beat bad hardware
[05:14] <DewDude> why is hollywood running all thier digital through analog tape before mastering?
[05:14] <frank23> DewDude: At 44Khz whatever part of the original waveform is useless to you but maybe not to your cat
[05:14] <frank23> DewDude: At 44Khz whatever part of the original waveform you lose is useless to you but maybe not to your cat
[05:14] <DewDude> jsut stop
[05:14] <DewDude> we're not going to agree
[05:14] <tritium> Yes it does, however...we can't produce a perfect sinc function, so there is a slight inefficiency there
[05:14] <DewDude> you're going to spout nyquist theory
[05:14] <bob2> DewDude: you seem to be confusing "people being used to analog artifacts" with "44khz is not enough"
[05:14] <whyameye> bob2, I'm just surprised it doesn't at some point give up and just report a read error...
[05:14] <DewDude> i'm going to spot my theory
[05:14] <DewDude> it's going to clash
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: it might eventually
[05:15] <DewDude> just..ask yourself this...who's got professional remastering expierence
[05:15] <rendi> !sound
[05:15] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:15] <whyameye> bob2, it's been easily 15 min... This is a bummer. 70gig of ntfs crap. Most of it is readable...and then this happens when I try to copy it to a clean disk...
[05:16] <DonL> Must go for now. Thanks for the chat.
[05:16] <bob2> whyameye: eep
[05:16] <tritium> DewDude, Nyquist sampling theorem is well-developed, proven, and exact
[05:16] <DewDude> if nyquist theory produced perfect reproduction....then the first audio CD's that were mastered wouldn't have been crap...and there wouldn't be a push for 96/24 in the consumer market
[05:16] <DewDude> yes..it works
[05:16] <DewDude> but..for a purist
[05:16] <DewDude> it's crap
[05:16] <DewDude> i'm a purist
[05:17] <tritium> DewDude, the problem with CDs is the dynamic range.  it has nothing to do with sampling rate
[05:17] <Nalioth> Madpilot: can you hit 44khz in -offtopic <snort>
[05:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can Ubuntu write to NTFS non-destructively?
[05:17] <tritium> Madpilot is right.  Let's move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: not safely
[05:17] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: if you use captive-ntfs, sort of
[05:17] <bob2> modulo the driver exploding
[05:17] <DewDude> watever
[05:17] <DewDude> i'm not getting into it
[05:17] <DewDude> cuz it's 4billion against me
[05:17] <DewDude> and no one's gonna get my back
[05:17] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: that is putting a windwos lib into your kernel
[05:18] <DewDude> because you obciously know he nyquist theorm and think 44.1/16 is all you need for great audio
[05:18] <frank23> DewDude: too much math/physics/eng background here I guess
[05:18] <DewDude> obviously
[05:18] <IceDC571> i'm in #ubuntu-unregged :)
[05:18] <IceDC571> time to enter my password
[05:18] <DewDude> where as i have no math/physics and judge only by my ears
[05:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way to covnert NTFS to fat?
[05:18] <DewDude> Carpe: no
[05:18] <bob2> ah, my vague recollection was correct, nyquist is related to shannon's
[05:18] <IceDC571> Carpe_Libertatem, not really
[05:18] <tritium> DewDude, sounds like you're sensitive to the poor dynamic range (a result of only 16-bit samples)
[05:19] <whyameye> bob2: it just came back! So...is there a way to reduce the number of read retries before reporting back failure?
[05:19] <tritium> _not_ the sampling rate
[05:19] <bob2> whyameye: hm, I don't know, sorry
[05:19] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: Partition Magic (tm) will do it
[05:19] <DewDude> tritium: dynamic range a bit....but the first CD's were mastered on standard 44.1/16 and sounded...digital
[05:19] <lunitik> bob2: wow... I think thats the first time I've ever heard that from you  :P
[05:19] <lunitik> bob2: you are human  :D
[05:20] <lunitik> s/heard/seen/
[05:20] <Nalioth> lunitik: human or out-of-memory'd heh
[05:20] <DewDude> people prefer more analog sound...and from my standpoint...you take a signal...sample it 44100 times a second..you get a somewhat accurate representation..but you double the amount...and you've got more information there to recreate a wave
[05:20] <DewDude> it's not about the extra 40khz of informtion
[05:20] <Nalioth> DewDude: -offtopic, you seem to be holding your own
[05:21] <tritium> DewDude, it's not extra information
[05:21] <rendi> !mysql
[05:21] <ubotu> hmm... mysql is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:21] <firebird619> Where can I type Initialization strings for my modem. It is an external modem and right now the connection speed is very slow and from reading info on the modem manufacturer site, to increase the speed I need to enter initialization strings, but it does not tell me where to enter them. Can someone please help me?
[05:22] <intelikey> howto install lilo rather than grub when installing ubuntu ?
[05:23] <rendi> [05:23] <IceDC571> i hate the offtopic section.. i want it to die
[05:23] <lunitik> intelikey: apt-get install lilo ; lilo
[05:23] <IceDC571> i mean seriously we're still talking about geek stuff
[05:23] <lunitik> intelikey: both require sudo
[05:23] <rendi> let talk about libido
[05:23] <rendi> lol
[05:24] <intelikey> lunitik no from the cd's installer,  while installing ?
[05:24] <lunitik> intelikey: during install, I don't think its possible... maybe try expert mode... although if you use a different fs other than ext3, this is done automagically
[05:24] <skaja> ok there is what i get
[05:25] <intelikey> anyone know ?
[05:25] <skaja> cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:27] <intelikey> brb
[05:27] <Demon_stroke> ok am i in teh help channel now?
[05:27] <skaja> bov you there?
[05:27] <skaja> bob
[05:27] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: yes
[05:28] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have somehow landed here
[05:28] <cafuego> ha
[05:28] <IceDC571> you think the soundblaster x-fi would work in ubuntu? lol
[05:28] <Demon_stroke> i got a question, Will normal Linux Programs run on Ubuntu?
[05:28] <IceDC571> lol
[05:28] <IceDC571> i suppose so?
[05:28] <IceDC571> sorry
[05:28] <IceDC571> yes they will
[05:29] <IceDC571> what do you mean by normal linux programs?
[05:29] <bimberi> Demon_stroke: programs such as?
[05:29] <windex> Demon_stroke, its really hard to answer that because vendors provide linux binaries for a billion diffrent types of platforms. the answer is, 'probably'.
[05:29] <cafuego> Demon_stroke: Yes, but please do install them using syanptic whenever possible.
[05:29] <intelikey> back
[05:30] <Demon_stroke> well i need a media player for ubuntu wut media player would u guyz reccommend
[05:30] <lunitik> Demon_stroke: theoretically... they will... yes... Ubuntu is LSB complient...
[05:30] <IceDC571> Demon_stroke, it depends, do you want to run gnome or kde?
[05:30] <cafuego> Demon_stroke: beep-media-player for audio; totem or mplayer for video
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I assume  you mean "what media player would you guys recommend"
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> in that case, what cafuego said
[05:30] <frank23> Demon_stroke: I gnome, I used gxine or mplayer for video
[05:30] <Bad_Magic> anyone have any idea why when i change my sound levels in gnome the level doesnt change?
[05:30] <IceDC571> yeah what cafuego said
[05:31] <IceDC571> but if you run kde.. kaffiene (i cant spell) is pretty nice
[05:31] <cafuego> kaffeine
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> Bad_Magic: depends, you may be changing a different level
[05:32] <Kyral> how would i set LC_ALL=
[05:32] <Kalidarn> hi in installing kubuntu on a laptop that doesn't have a internal cd drive (uses external usb interface) now as we know this works with nearly no linux distros. is it possible for me to install kubuntu/ubuntu in any other way that from the internet? like perhaps USB boot floppy then local FTP install? (thats how mandrake worked on there)
[05:32] <skaja> bob here is my error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:32] <zdennis> anyone know how to get your scroll wheel to work in linux?
[05:32] <zdennis> er...gnome
[05:32] <ubuntu-asker> hello, i dont know if was something i did wrong or if ubuntu install (breezy) gcc4 ?!?
[05:32] <Bad_Magic> hrdwrbob: im using the keyboard shortcuts on my laptop (a little box pops up showing its actually doing something)... beyond that I couldnt tell ya
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Is it a plain extermal USB cd drive?
[05:33] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: it indeed uses gcc 4.0
[05:33] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: check your Priv Msgs
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: ... as in: no weird interface?
[05:33] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, doh... that weird :S i didnt expect that
[05:33] <Demon_stroke> ok guyz ill brb, im getting an error message on startup also, ill grab a notepad and write it down
[05:33] <Kalidarn> yes.
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i, someone in the #kubuntu channel told me about smartboot
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Then provided you can boot off it, it should work fine.
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i used it once before but it didnt wor
[05:34] <zdennis> bob2, what is typically the gcc vesion used, 3.3?
[05:34] <Kalidarn> was another distro thogh
[05:34] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: breezy is the development version, it's not intended for end users yet
[05:34] <cafuego> !info gcc hoary
[05:34] <ubotu> gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[05:34] <Demon_stroke> hey how do i know if its like kaffeine or wutever, or the other one?
[05:34] <bob2> zdennis: most distributions use gcc 3.3, yes; 3.4 and 4.0 change the way C++ libraries work, so it's a big step
[05:34] <zdennis> so i should install 3.3?
[05:34] <cafuego> zdennis: just 'gcc'
[05:34] <Kalidarn> cafuego, my drive is a USB IDE Bay (takes any IDE device) with a Pioneer 109 DVD Burner in it
[05:35] <zdennis> thx cafuego
[05:35] <Kalidarn> ill try smartboot though
[05:35] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Provided you can tell the laptop bios to boot off that drive, you should be able to install normally; the installer should detect a usb (or usb2) mass storage device.
[05:35] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, but.. gcc 3.4 can be considerer "testing" but... 4 this is REALLY testing
[05:35] <cafuego> Kalidarn: It's not really any different from booting off a usb key etc.
[05:35] <juanej> anyone using quod libet?
[05:35] <Kalidarn> it detects it alright
[05:36] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, i cant even compile the kernel with 4.
[05:36] <Kalidarn> but the linux kernel has a problem at the moment with usb drives
[05:36] <Kalidarn> basically it hangs at isolinux boot agent
[05:36] <cafuego> Kalidarn: ouch
[05:36] <Kalidarn> this is with all distros except for Novel Linux Desktop
[05:36] <Kalidarn> (only had a trial of that)
[05:36] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Then again, that's BEFORE it actually boots.
[05:36] <bob2> zdennis: you generally want build-essential if you want to compile things.  it gets you the default gcc, etc.
[05:36] <cafuego> (the kernel, anyway)
[05:36] <Kalidarn> same on my workstation :) if i use external USB
[05:36] <Kalidarn> wit any drive
[05:37] <Kalidarn> i tried a liteon cd burner still failed and a LG DVD combo that failed the same way too
[05:37] <AristoMagnus> !skype
[05:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> I can mount my /home/ directory to a FAT partition, can't I?
[05:37] <ubotu> methinks skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[05:37] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: ok
[05:37] <cafuego> Kalidarn: If the worst comes to the worst, you can always netboot via tftp and pass an installer initrd
[05:37] <rob^> can anyone using Breezy and an ATI graphics card confirm if the instructions at this pages works: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:38] <intelikey> Carpe_Libertatem that will cause problems with most gui's
[05:38] <Kalidarn> the only things that boot properly is WindowsXP Pro, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, Windows Vista 1.0 (and previous betas) and Novell Linux Desktop
[05:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> intellikey - how's that?
[05:38] <Kalidarn> cafuego, thats how i did it before via internet installl
[05:38] <Kalidarn> try it External USB CD Drive, plain ol boot disk it wont matter what u use it will fail
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 198.63.211.251 80] 
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> :s
[05:39] <rob^> no Breezy users here then?
[05:39] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: yes, x86 only, i imagine.
[05:39] <Kalidarn> cafuego, smartboot might be the answer thank god to the good buntu docs
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> :(
[05:39] <cafuego> rob^: Sure, but they're all smart enough to use nvidia ;-)
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> cafuego: i need to do  my chroot for 32bit :)
[05:39] <intelikey> linux doesn't have a problem with it Carpe_Libertatem but most (if not all) gui's use files in your $HOME for verious things that they insist on being able to make those files secure and also they creat symlinks.
[05:39] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: looks like it :-)
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> hehehe
[05:40] <rob^> cafuego, yeah so am I, hence I need someone who has an ATI card to confirm if they work so I can add it to the FAQ Guide..
[05:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> I see. So is there a viable way to keep downloads and documents default to a directory on a FAT partition?
[05:40] <cafuego> rob^: From the reports I've heard on the state of their driver, i doubt it even compiles with gcc 4.
[05:40] <AristoMagnus> FAT sucks.. :|
[05:40] <Kalidarn> cafuego, smart boot is how i did it last time ;)
[05:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> I dual-boot, and want an easy way to exchange files between Lin & Win.
[05:40] <rob^> cafuego, grr thats not what I wanted to hear.. :P
[05:40] <AristoMagnus> Carpe: ext2 can be mount from windows !
[05:40] <cafuego> !ext2fsd
[05:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, cafuego
[05:41] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: look for ext2fsd on sourceforge.
[05:41] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.
[05:41] <Demon_stroke> any ideas?
[05:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> It can write?
[05:41] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: It mounts ext2 and ext3 read/write on Windows.
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> ext3 too?
[05:41] <Madpilot> rob^: I know that Burgundavia has an ATI card - ask him about it
[05:41] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: yes
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> nice!
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> did you tried it
[05:41] <rob^> Madpilot, thanks
[05:41] <cafuego> Yes, I use it nearly every day.
[05:42] <AristoMagnus> cool
[05:42] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.<<<<<need help
[05:42] <intelikey> yes you can "ln -s <your fat mount point> Documents" carpe_; and most things will dl to Documents by default. the ones that don't you can change the defaults...
[05:43] <Demon_stroke> anyone know how to fix the error message
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> ....anyone?
[05:44] <Nalioth> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about windowsdrives
[05:44] <intelikey> to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.   ???
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.
[05:44] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: what does your prompt say when you open a terminal?
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> i dont get a prompt
[05:45] <Demon_stroke> that happens wen i log in
[05:45] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: yes you do, open a terminal and just look at it
[05:45] <Demon_stroke> ok 1 sec
[05:45] <skaja> there i'm back
[05:47] <Demon_stroke> says my name then a lil money sign thingy
[05:47] <Milk_> Is there a good dvd authoring suite that has a gui?
[05:47] <unu> hello
[05:47] <Demon_stroke> hmm
[05:47] <unu> does anyone know what sabdfl means?
[05:48] <rendi> sudo apt-get install MySQL 4.1.14
[05:48] <rendi> Password:
[05:48] <rendi> Reading package lists... Done
[05:48] <rendi> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:48] <rendi> E: Couldn't find package MySQL
[05:48] <rendi> hello
[05:48] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: that is a prompt, then
[05:48] <rendi> err
[05:48] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: does it say "ubuntu" anywhere in there?
[05:48] <Demon_stroke> no
[05:48] <Madpilot> rendi: pastebin, please!
[05:48] <Demon_stroke> ill double check
[05:48] <rendi> what the newes version of mysql ??
[05:48] <Milk_> sabdfl = self apointed benevolent dictator for life  (2nd link on google.. geez)
[05:48] <Nalioth> rendi: dont paste in here. use #flood or a pastebin
[05:48] <rendi> i wannna to instal mysql
[05:48] <rendi> and get err like tha
[05:48] <Milk_> anywho... is there a good dvd authoring suite with a gui?
[05:49] <Madpilot> !tell rendi about lamp
[05:49] <Demon_stroke> jayson@ubuntu:-$
[05:49] <unu> renni: apt-cache mysql | less
[05:49] <bimberi> rendi: put mysql, not MySQL
[05:49] <rendi> ok
[05:49] <Nalioth> Milk_: i think so (not sure of the name, tho)
[05:49] <unu> renni: apt-cache search mysql | less :)
[05:49] <bimberi> Demon_stroke: where do you get that error message?
[05:49] <unu> does anyone know what sabdfl means?
[05:49] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: ok, open a text editor using sudo
[05:49] <Milk_> Naolith, any ideas on where I can look?
[05:49] <Demon_stroke> as soon as i log in, i get 2 options, Log in anyway, and try again
[05:49] <Milk_> unu, ready above!
[05:49] <skaja> so how do i fix this error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:49] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: and open /etc/hosts
[05:50] <Milk_> unu, OR.. GOOGLE IT!!!!
[05:50] <Nalioth> Milk_: i don't know if 'dvdauthor' is a gui or not
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: google *doesn't* help
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: why would i ask on a forum, especially ubuntu
[05:50] <Kalidarn> wtf?
[05:50] <Demon_stroke> okie 1 moment
[05:50] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have terminals in your applicatins > system tools > terminal
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: it's the title of shuttleworth
[05:50] <Madpilot> unu: Supreme & Benelvolent Dictator For Life - a joke title for  mark shuttleworth
[05:50] <Kalidarn> weird bug
[05:50] <Milk_> unu, the 2nd link on google searching for it answers yoru question without even clicking it
[05:50] <Madpilot> *Benevolent, even...
[05:50] <unu> Nalioth: which above?
[05:51] <Milk_> unu, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sabdfl&btnG=Google+Search
[05:51] <Kalidarn> cafuego, where is the .img file i point rawwrite to?
[05:51] <Nalioth> unu i have 0 clue what you're on about
[05:51] <ilba7r> hi i have a VT82C686 AC97 sound controller. Whenever i use the scroll keys on firefox i hear a scratchy sound. Any one had a problem similar to that?
[05:52] <ilba7r> I suspect might bne attributed to cpu load but i do not think it should do that
[05:52] <Demon_stroke> yes i do, in the text editor, under ect/hosts, says 127.0.0 sumtin then says Localhost
[05:52] <unu> wtf? i get different google results in links and mozilla
[05:52] <unu> something is strange...
[05:52] <Demon_stroke> i do not have internet on the ubuntu comp eiher
[05:52] <frank23> what script does a make install follow?
[05:52] <unu> damn google personalized search
[05:52] <unu> thanks for the link though
[05:53] <Kalidarn> oh duh i forgot ialread just downloaded it
[05:53] <Kalidarn> i must ve tired
[05:53] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: put your cursor next to "localhost" space over a couple and type "ubuntu"
[05:53] <Milk_> well.. I guess I will have to try later
[05:53] <Demon_stroke> k 1 sec
[05:54] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: then save it. log out and back in
[05:54] <sjg> !restrictedformats
[05:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:55] <Demon_stroke> read only and i cannot change the properties
[05:55] <Demon_stroke> can i save over a read only file?
[05:56] <phrizer> i installed the w32codecs, but still cant get totem to play files... do i need to install totem-xine?
[05:56] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have to open the text editor using sudo
[05:56] <Demon_stroke> sudo...?
[05:56] <Nalioth> phrizer: what kind of files?
[05:56] <phrizer> Nalioth, divx, mpeg, wmv, avi
[05:56] <phrizer> mp3.
[05:57] <Demon_stroke> not sure were that is,
[05:58] <Nalioth> phrizer: did you use synaptic to get them? or d/l and installed yourself?
[05:58] <phrizer> synaptix
[05:58] <phrizer> er
[05:58] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: at terminal type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts"
[05:58] <phrizer> synaptic
[05:58] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: add "sudo" before whatever line
[05:58] <Nalioth> phrizer: you also need this
[05:58] <Nalioth> !tell phrizer about restricted
[05:58] <phrizer> yeah i read that
[05:58] <skaja> so how do i fix this error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:59] <phrizer> Nalioth, so i need to install totem-xine ?
[05:59] <Madpilot> !tell Demon_stroke about sudo
[05:59] <neoprodigy> Have a question, I screwed up my home directory somehow which affected my gnome-panel, I changed the path and did killall gnome-panel and everything disappeared. Is there a way to reset my home directory path through a terminal?
[05:59] <Nalioth> phrizer: no, you need to install a mp3 codec
[05:59] <Nalioth> phrizer: read your PM
[06:00] <phrizer> I read that page.
[06:00] <unu> neoprodigy: what do you mean by changed path?
[06:00] <unu> neoprodigy: as in /etc/profile? or what?
[06:00] <neoprodigy> unu: I changed the path from /home/neoprodigy to /media/home
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: in the Users and Group tool
[06:01] <unu> neoprodigy: aaaaa
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: I seem to remember this info being stored in a file somewhere
[06:01] <Demon_stroke> "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostname()
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: But I don't remember which.
[06:02] <unu> well you'll have to edit /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: have you got the hosts file open?
[06:02] <Demon_stroke> no i closed it b4 i did the sudo thing
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: this is a common problem
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: at a terminal, type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts"
[06:02] <neoprodigy> unu, ok, thanks, i will take a look see
[06:03] <unu> use sudo for  /etc/profile  - it needs root privileges
[06:03] <neoprodigy> k, thanks a bunch
[06:03] <unu> neoprodigy: no problem
[06:03] <Demon_stroke> hmm
[06:03] <CCFIEL> hello ppl...
[06:03] <Demon_stroke> wait unu i need to open the profile and do wut
[06:04] <intelikey> hmmm i rm'd sudo   ;/
[06:04] <CCFIEL> has somebody as a package for ubuntu...gaim vv...= support webcam/
[06:04] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: open your hosts file. your .profile is not necessary
[06:05] <Demon_stroke> i cannot open the hosts file using sudo i get the error message i just typed above
[06:05] <Kalidarn> :( thatx crap i got smart boot manager working and it noticed my DVD burner connected
[06:05] <unu> intelikey: use su
[06:05] <Kalidarn> but its not in the boot menu
[06:05] <unu> Demon_stroke: ?
[06:05] <Kalidarn> smart boot manager cant see my dvd drive either
[06:05] <unu> Demon_stroke: oh, that was for neoprodigy
[06:05] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: what password are you using?
[06:05] <Demon_stroke> o i c
[06:06] <Demon_stroke> i got it open im being an idiot, maybe 2 am isnt good for fixin, o well, anyways, its open, but its also empty
[06:06] <intelikey> unu na i just login as root   and keep a root console open
[06:06] <Demon_stroke> the localhost words and all that are gone
[06:06] <kairu0> hi all! i have a problem with my system crashing occasionally with sound files. when i right click on an mp3 in the file manager and choose properties it crashes. what might cause this?
[06:07] <Bubblefly> Huh... How can I make mailto: links work in Firefox/Thunderbird?
[06:07] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: go to the "open" dialog and find /etc/hosts
[06:07] <unu> intelikey: do *not* login as root, use a root console if you must
[06:08] <Nalioth> Bubblefly: system > prefs > preferred applications
[06:08] <Bubblefly> Nalioth: Yeah, I already have it in there... but mailto links still don't open? :3
[06:08] <Nalioth> unu: it's intelikey's box. let him do as he likes
[06:09] <Nalioth> Bubblefly: hmm. strange
[06:09] <phrizer> Nalioth, i read that url, still stumped as to what im ment to install.
[06:09] <neoprodigy> unu: Nothing in the /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc that helps me change the path for my home directory
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> ok
[06:09] <unu> neoprodigy: oh, stupid me, you changed the path to you home :) wait a min
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> has all the words in it now
[06:09] <intelikey> unu ?
[06:09] <unu> Nalioth: of course, but you don't need more spammers :)
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> so do i just add ubuntu past the localhost words
[06:10] <tritium> Nalioth, did the daily install image work for you?
[06:10] <unu> Nalioth: as in rooted :D
[06:10] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: find the "localhost" next to the 127.0.blah and next to the 'localhost' a couple spaces, type "ubuntu"
[06:10] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: then save it. log out and back in
[06:10] <unu> neoprodigy: usermod
[06:10] <Nalioth> tritium: i cant get good downloads
[06:10] <Demon_stroke> k ill brb
[06:11] <unu> neoprodigy: man usermod, usermod -d /home/name  i  think
[06:11] <Nalioth> they say they're comeplete (via wget and curl) but they're almost half empty (using the torrent hash to check via gtorrentviewer)
[06:11] <tritium> Nalioth, ah, I see.
[06:11] <Nalioth> i cant figger it
[06:11] <tritium> I'm going to test today's daily now.  I'm also on as mrimbert
[06:11] <neoprodigy> unu: i'll take a look at the man, thanks for pointing the direction
[06:11] <unu> neoprodigy: still around?
[06:11] <tritium> be back soon
[06:12] <unu> neoprodigy: found it usermod -d /home/neo :)
[06:12] <neoprodigy> unu: that's what i'm looking for! thanks!
[06:12] <unu> neoprodigy: you're welcome
[06:13] <Demon_stroke> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ur teh s**t Nalioth
[06:13] <Demon_stroke> ;)
[06:13] <unu> intelikey: logging in as root is *bad* for security; every little thing that could go wrong will crash your system..think windows :P
[06:14] <Demon_stroke> i was on windows Xp but my comp's hd reformat was too large, so it was laggy, ubuntu runs a bit better and its nice to expeirience sumtin a little different
[06:14] <intelikey> unu think "my box, if i want to break it!"   :)
[06:15] <andrewski> bob2: around?
[06:15] <tritium> andrewski: he went to lunch
[06:15] <unu> intelikey: yes, but a rootkit could affect me too via spam :D
[06:16] <unu> intelikey: ubuntu spirit everywhere :D
[06:16] <andrewski> tritium: anyone else here a bash/tar guru?
[06:16] <Nalioth> andrewski: ask your question, you never know who can answer
[06:16] <tritium> andrewski: ask and find out, I guess ;)
[06:17] <sjg> Anyone can tell me how to make beep-media-player my default sound application over rhythmbox?
[06:17] <intelikey> unu you are talking about irc'ing as root,  i don't do that.
[06:17] <frank23> speaking of tar, I heard that tar now detects compression on its own and that the z or j option is not necessary. This doesn't work in ubuntu however
[06:18] <Nalioth> sjg: system > prefs > preferred apps
[06:18] <unu> frank23: one more letter doesn't hurt
[06:18] <cafuego> frank23: No, you were probably told wrong.
[06:18] <sjg> Nalioth, No option listed for sound ..
[06:18] <andrewski> tritium: i'm using the following to copy while preserving hierarchy: "while IFS=$'\n' read i; do tar -cf - "$i/"* | ( cd /media/IAUDIO/music; tar -xf - ); done < folders" (folders is a file).  but for some reason it escapes colons, so that any file with a colon fails because it's quoted and has a backslash.  --force-local doesn't work because the syntax is all funny....
[06:18] <unu> intelikey: try cd / && rm -rf :D just kidding, don't do that
[06:19] <sjg> unu, thats mean.
[06:19] <sjg> lol
[06:19] <frank23> unu: that wouldn't work without sudo
[06:19] <unu> sjg: no, dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda is mean
[06:19] <cafuego> andrewski: 'cp -a' is nice,
[06:19] <Nalioth> unu: lets keep those jokes out of here, please, we sometimes have impressionable folks
[06:20] <unu> sjg: dont't do that either
[06:20] <andrewski> cafuego: nope, this does exactly what i want but fails on filenames with a colon.
[06:20] <unu> Nalioth ok, ok...
[06:20] <frank23> Nalioth: I actually think your concern is justified ;-)
[06:20] <andrewski> i just can't get the syntax right with the --force-local flag.
[06:20] <cafuego> andrewski: ergo: it does not do what you want (I assume you don't want it to fail)
[06:20] <unu> i told them not to do it
[06:21] <andrewski> cafuego: sure, but i don't want to use cp or i'd be using cp.
[06:21] <cafuego> andrewski: Any reason?
[06:21] <andrewski> cafuego: cannot open: invalid argument
[06:21] <cafuego> apart from having a slightly more convoluted way that doesn't work?
[06:21] <Nalioth> frank23: believe me, it is.. .. ..
[06:21] <unu> andrewski: maybe rename the files? like from : to _
[06:21] <teardrop_c> andrewski: thats what i tell my wife
[06:22] <teardrop_c> andrewski: cannot clean: invalid argument
[06:22] <andrewski> unu: this is a lot of files.
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to specify in sessions to start up apps in a specific window, that is, apps that don't support sessions.
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[06:22] <cafuego> andrewski: If it automatically escapes, perhaps just don't quote.
[06:22] <unu> andrewski: with a script of course =))
[06:22] <teardrop_c> andrewski: you could combine find with a sed command
[06:22] <unu> andrewski: not by hand :))
[06:23] <andrewski> cafuego: but the filenames have other characters--spaces, parentheses--that need to be quoted.
[06:23] <frank23> Nalioth: Someguy apt-get removed glibc when I told him to downgrade it... I should have anticipated that
[06:23] <andrewski> i repeat: i just can't get the syntax with --force-local right.
[06:23] <andrewski> could someone help me with that, specifically?
[06:23] <unu> frank23: no problem, i heard of gentoo people that removed gcc :P
[06:23] <unu> frank23: or python
[06:23] <tritium> andrewski: did you ask in #bash?
[06:24] <cafuego> andrewski: Does it also escape when you just run for in in `cat folders`; do .....; done ?
[06:24] <andrewski> tritium: yeah, they were helping me, then just disappeared.
[06:24] <misterdeff> hello. can someone please tell me how to access my ntfs partition?
[06:24] <cafuego> !ntfs
[06:24] <Nalioth> !tell misterdeff about windowsdrives
[06:24] <cafuego> stupid bot
[06:24] <unu> Nalioth:)) why not?
[06:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> Many people had dogs that they were not permitted to take on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. The policeman told a reporter he did not know what would happen to the dog
[06:25] <Nalioth> unu: why not what?
[06:25] <andrewski> cafuego: tried that, but wouldn't work with the spaces.  the while works.
[06:25] <unu> Naliot why not ntfs?
[06:25] <unu> !ntfs = not ntfs :)
[06:25] <ubotu> No idea, unu
[06:26] <Nalioth> unu: What?
[06:26] <konra`> is there any way to set up ubuntu to enable a windows machine to use a printer hooked up to it?
[06:26] <Nalioth> !tell unu about windowsdrives
[06:26] <cafuego> andrewski: Did you find out WHY 'cp' prints an error?
[06:26] <meeep> hi. how do i add a path in my $PATH ?
[06:26] <andrewski> cafuego: tar prints the error.
[06:26] <cafuego> meeep: export PATH=$PATH:/foo/bar
[06:26] <frank23> meeep: you can edit .bashrc
[06:26] <teardrop_c> meeep: add it into bashrc or similar
[06:26] <Madpilot> konra`: yes, but I don't know details
[06:27] <konra`> Madpilot, any suggestions?
[06:27] <unu> sorry about the bot - suse has susehelp, which is more intuitive - i didn't get it :)
[06:27] <unu> but now i do :P
[06:28] <Puffball> Does Ubuntu have a preset root password on a fresh installation?
[06:28] <cafuego> !+root
[06:28] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:28] <Nalioth> Puffball: no
[06:28] <cafuego> Puffball: In others words: you don't need root.
[06:28] <unu> !login
[06:28] <ubotu> No idea, unu
[06:28] <Nalioth> cafuego: why are there + signs in your bot requests?
[06:28] <unu> !+login
[06:28] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, unu
[06:28] <unu> !ubuntu
[06:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:28] <meeep> i look into .bashrc, but just cant find something that recalls the $PATH - thingie? :S
[06:28] <cafuego> Nalioth: karma
[06:28] <Puffball> I get this error to modify and add my hostname to /etc/host, but when I try to edit the file, I can't, because root has ownership of it.
[06:28] <intelikey> puffball no the passwd for root is not set,  that is how it is "disabled" so to speek
[06:28] <Madpilot> konra`: I think SAMBA will allow you to do it
[06:28] <unu> !+ubuntu
[06:28] <ubotu> ubuntu is probably an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:29] <unu> !awards
[06:29] <ubotu> somebody said awards was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[06:29] <konra`> !samba
[06:29] <ubotu> from memory, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:29] <tritium> look what you've started, cafuego ;)
[06:29] <unu> :))
[06:29] <cafuego> yeah
[06:29] <intelikey> Puffball if you ever need to "enable" root just sudo passwd
[06:29] <cafuego> !botabuse
[06:29] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:30] <frank23> nice
[06:30] <Puffball> Ah, thanks
[06:30] <Nalioth> cafuego: what is the command for ubotu to google something ?
[06:30] <intelikey> np
[06:30] <cafuego> Nalioth: !scrape, but I'm fairly sure the scrape module is disabled.
[06:30] <sniz> alrighty, I'm currently on the 5.04 LiveCD, and I have absolutely no options for changing my resolution in xorg... I would try editing the xorg.conf, but i'm afraid that i'd write out all that crap for nothin', cuz i'd have to reboot
[06:31] <cafuego> it is.
[06:31] <sniz> what the crap
[06:31] <frank23> !resolution
[06:31] <ubotu> resolution is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:31] <intelikey> !+help
[06:31] <ubotu> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"
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[06:31] <sniz> oi
[06:31] <cafuego> intelikey: thanks for not spamming.
[06:31] <unu> :))
[06:31] <sniz> lemme try this out ;] 
[06:31] <cafuego> intelikey: you can '/msg ubotu help'
[06:32] <intelikey> i expected that to be a /msg reply
[06:32] <unu> try  that in debian-bots :D
[06:32] <cafuego> intelikey: Don't use the '+'
[06:32] <unu> 3 pages worth
[06:32] <intelikey> oh  ok
[06:32] <chrismy> hail all
[06:32] <cafuego> chrismy: where? there's sun here...
[06:33] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[06:33] <konra`> lol
[06:33] <sniz> thanks frank23
[06:33] <Octane> is there still no flash for amd64?
[06:33] <sniz> imma try these out ;] 
[06:33] <chrismy> cafuego, hey ubotu's creator :D yes you know well i am in Malaysia
[06:33] <CCFIEL> has somebody here compiled gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:33] <cafuego> chrismy: stop accusing me
[06:33] <chrismy> cafuego, huh?
[06:33] <frank23> Octane: until you can get macromedia to make one, no
[06:33] <cafuego> Octane: Why would you want flash if you were smart enough to buy amd64?
[06:33] <unu> Octane: imho ubuntu on amd64 is *very* unstable
[06:34] <unu> Octane: use i386...
[06:34] <Octane> unu: i run it on amd64 and its great
[06:34] <cafuego> unu: amd64 runs fine.
[06:34] <Octane> ya
[06:34] <Nalioth> tritium: you dailys come down alright?
[06:34] <Octane> you dont know what youre talking about
[06:34] <Octane> anyway, i just wanted to see if its come out
[06:34] <tritium> Nalioth: yes, downloading 20050901.1 right now.
[06:34] <Octane> ill keep using firefix32 bit
[06:34] <ali4728> Help needed to set up Name Based Hosting (Multiple sites on single IP)
[06:34] <tritium> Well, burning it to disk, actually
[06:35] <unu> unu: i used a kubuntu on amd64.... horrible
[06:35] <Nalioth> tritium both aug31 and todays did the same thing.
[06:35] <unu> cafuego: : i used a kubuntu on amd64.... horrible
[06:35] <tritium> Nalioth: want me to snail-mail one to you?  ;)
[06:35] <Octane> unu: im running kubuntu 64
[06:35] <frank23> unu: I did that too before I switched to i386. did kaffeine work for you?
[06:35] <cafuego> unu: Yes of course, KDE is horrible no matter what arch you run it on.
[06:35] <cafuego> unu: It's hardly fair to blame that on the cpu.
[06:35] <tritium> Nalioth: kernel panic still?
[06:35] <Nalioth> tritium: heh, by that time, we'll be at Preview Release X
[06:35] <chrismy> ubuntu on my AMD64 has no problems so far ;)
[06:36] <Nalioth> tritium: i aint got a current one to use
[06:36] <intelikey> cafuego k seems ok on this p133mmx   :)
[06:36] <tritium> okay
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu on my V2311us Turion Based Laptop = ACK. :(
[06:36] <unu> cafuego: not only kde, firefox too
[06:36] <unu> cafuego: believe me, it was unbrowsable - 3 tabs and bang..
[06:37] <cafuego> unu: I run amd64 (breezy) and currently have NO problems.
[06:37] <unu> unu: you lucky guy :P
[06:37] <sjg> cafuego: same here, runs like a dream
[06:37] <cafuego> I've had the odd package brokenness that comes with running breezy, but certainly no unexplained crashes or hangs.
[06:37] <intelikey> ahh  what am i supposed to do with it   ?????
[06:37] <unu> cafuego: breezy? isn't that a bit risky?
[06:37] <sjg> cafuego: and my laptop is kinda a pos lol
[06:38] <cafuego> unu: Not for people who 1) know what they're doing and 2) can fix problems without hassling #ubuntu.
[06:38] <sjg> unu, breezy is pretty stable tbh
[06:38] <frank23> cafuego: can you install i386 packages with that?
[06:38] <cafuego> frank23: I run a 32bit (i386) chroot for openoffice i386.
[06:38] <cafuego> Though OOo2 is now working again.
[06:38] <sjg> frank23: You can run i386 packages in a chrooted envir
[06:39] <frank23> cafuego: ok. but I heard that multiarch would be in breezy. Is that true?
[06:39] <unu> cafuego: give me examples of problem fixing - hacking ? or plain package management?
[06:39] <cafuego> frank23: Yeah, I can install it without the chroot, but I'd rather not start mixing stuff whilst breezy isn't stable.
[06:40] <frank23> cafuego: And does your chroot see stuff in /media ? It never did for me before in hoary
[06:40] <Puffball> intelikey: running 'sudo passwd root' returned something relatively close to: "failed to return ... from getbyhost()"
[06:40] <cafuego> unu: Having config file backups, knowing when to restore/downgrade using /var/cache/apt/archives, knowing how (and WHEN) to use force commands for dpkg, using equivs, managing custom apckages.
[06:41] <unu> cafuego: so not hacking... you forgot to mention that you need to want to do it
[06:41] <unu> cafuego: maybe i could handle it, but i don't want to, frankly
[06:42] <mello6> hey fella,s what's a program that'll unarchive .rar files that ubuntu will work with?
[06:42] <cafuego> unu: Hacking is only necessary when stuff is VERY badly broken, I've not seen that sinec the libpam issues on Debian Sid.
[06:42] <intelikey> Puffball then fall back to su  and then passwd
[06:42] <cafuego> Puffball: You *could* just use sudo, you know.
[06:42] <frank23> mello6: rar  which is in multiverse
[06:42] <Nalioth> mello6: unrar-nonfree
[06:42] <intelikey> you don't add the root anyway...
[06:42] <cafuego> Puffball: Just check you have an entry for your local hostname in /etc/hosts
[06:42] <tritium> Nalioth: did you see my new "monitor"?
[06:42] <intelikey> it is just sudo passwd
[06:43] <Puffball> I don't, but when I try to modify it, I can't.
[06:43] <Nalioth> tritium: i think i have its brother in front of me
[06:43] <ali4728> Help needed !! Name Based Hosting?
[06:43] <cafuego> Puffball: If you get yoyr password right, it will. it just needs to time-out on the hostname lookup.
[06:43] <cafuego> ali4728: http://httpd.apache.org/ - lots of docs.
[06:43] <Puffball> I see
[06:44] <tritium> Nalioth: http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/images/P1010171.JPG
[06:46] <scooba_steve> hello
[06:47] <unu> hello
[06:48] <CCFIEL> hello ...ppl..
[06:48] <scooba_steve> i'm running off of the Ubuntu Hoary livecd right now, and i noticed that when i move windows arround it has a sort of "ghost" effect when redrawing the windows, is this normal? is there a way to fix this?
[06:48] <unu> scooba_steve: check the refresh
[06:48] <CCFIEL> does somebody here has a package for gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:48] <CCFIEL> does somebody here has a package for gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:48] <Nalioth> scooba_steve: it doesnt do that on an installed ubuntu
[06:48] <scooba_steve> okay
[06:48] <Quinthius> what is the usual way to stop various services from starting on boot?
[06:48] <cafuego> CCFIEL: No need to repeat.
[06:49] <unu> CCFIEL: google it, you might be lucky
[06:49] <cafuego> Quinthius: Easiest is to install and run 'rcconf'.
[06:49] <Nalioth> where'd tritium go?
[06:49] <CCFIEL> cafuego: sorry...
[06:49] <tritium> I'm here
[06:49] <Quinthius> cafuego: thanks, will check it out
[06:49] <cafuego> Quinthius: (Actually, uninstalling the pkg in question is even easier ;-)
[06:50] <Quinthius> cafuego: well, true :P
[06:50] <scooba_steve> i'm going to restart, because i updated a piece of software and i guess it quit a daemon, but since i'm on the livecd it will all go back to normal when i restart...
[06:50] <scooba_steve> goodbye
[06:50] <unu> cafuego: that's even more dangerous that my jokes
[06:50] <intelikey> Quinthius if you like doing things by hand, remove the symlink to the things you don't want to start from /etc/rc#.d/   and /etc/rcS.d/
[06:50] <Quinthius> cafuego: but some, like postfix, cause ubuntu-desktop to be removed also... and im kinda hesitant about doing that
[06:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does Opera on Linux not have the built-in BT client?
[06:50] <unu> cafuego: one uninstall later and and bye bye system'
[06:51] <cafuego> Quinthius: Indeed; but you really do want postfix running.
[06:51] <andrewski> ok, rsync lackeys: can anyone help me with it?
[06:51] <LaserLine> Hello all, When re-installing Ubuntu Hoary, When I select partitions, Should I make the Primary onw "bootflag" on or off ?
[06:52] <cafuego> intelikey: 'rcconf' does that via a nice interface.
[06:52] <Quinthius> cafuego: well, maybe, but there are others, like cups, that are useless to me
[06:52] <LaserLine> Note that's I'm wiping the HD before.
[06:52] <andrewski> cafuego: 'rsync . /media/IAUDIO/music --include-from folders'
[06:52] <andrewski> skipping directory .
[06:52] <andrewski> cafuego: any ideas?
[06:52] <intelikey> mc is a nice interface for that....  or gentoo.... or even nautilus.
[06:52] <cafuego> LaserLine: if you wiped the HD, just tell it to auto-partition.
[06:53] <cafuego> andrewski: is . in the folder list?
[06:53] <unu> intelikey: rcconf is nice
[06:53] <andrewski> cafuego: doesn't matter if it is; it says the same thing.
[06:53] <LaserLine> cafuego I don't wany EXT3, I'm having too many problems with it, I'm goint to try ReiserFS (3 times EXT3 failing - don't like it)
[06:53] <unu> speaking of which, other nice admin packages are editkeep and orphaner
[06:54] <intelikey> k unu when i get back to un i
[06:54] <intelikey> try it
[06:54] <intelikey> sorry bumped the return by mistake... there ^
[06:54] <frank23> LaserLine: problems with ext3? are you sure its not your disk?
[06:54] <cafuego> LaserLine: Um, reiser os FAR more likely to fail than ext3.
[06:54] <Kalidarn> hmm okay that didnt work either
[06:54] <Kalidarn> time to install ubuntu from the internet
[06:54] <cafuego> LaserLine: make sure you 1) shut your machinw down properly and 2) Don't have bad hardware.
[06:54] <sjg> ext3 is "Far" more reliable than reiserfs imo
[06:54] <worthawholebean> How can I share a printer from an Ubuntu computer to a Mac OS X comp?
[06:55] <cafuego> worthawholebean: Both Mac OS X and Linux use CUPS.
[06:55] <tritium> worthawholebean: cups
[06:55] <worthawholebean> Where's the documentation?
[06:55] <Kalidarn> what size?
[06:55] <Kalidarn> D or C?
[06:55] <intelikey> sjg you have had data loss with reiserfs ?
[06:55] <LaserLine> cafuego 1. I shutdown machine proberly. 2. I checked the disk various times with UBCD, and all say it's good.
[06:55] <tritium> worthawholebean: all packages put their docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[06:56] <Kalidarn> i like D CUPS
[06:56] <bimberi> Nalioth: you got ops! Yay!
[06:56] <worthawholebean> Thanks.
[06:56] <Kalidarn> is one CUP fuller than the other?
[06:56] <LaserLine> cafuego, Should I try partitioning  the drive, but telling it that to start from the end instead of beginning ?
[06:56] <sjg> intelikey: had a whole drive unusable. Till reformat
[06:56] <tritium> Kalidarn: please watch the comments
[06:56] <Nalioth> bimberi: i do?
[06:56] <cafuego> LaserLine: Then something else is goign wrong, somewhere. You're ceratinly not going to get BETTER reliability with reiser (Though feel free to find out the hard way).
[06:56] <Kalidarn> hey trit i was talking about plastic beakers
[06:56] <Kalidarn> ywith water
[06:56] <intelikey> sjg one time ?
[06:56] <sjg> intelikey: Yes, just one time
[06:56] <Kalidarn> i like more water than less so i asked if one of te cups was fuller than the other one
[06:56] <bimberi> Nalioth: hehe
[06:56] <Nalioth> bimberi: what now?
[06:57] <cafuego> LaserLine: Well, at a minimum start at the front, have a large / partition.. use maybe 512Mb or so swap.
[06:57] <sjg> intelikey: Never had any issues with ext3 at all
[06:57] <intelikey> sjg i was just wondering what that "<sjg> ext3 is "Far" more reliable than reiserfs imo" was bassed on ?
[06:57] <LaserLine> cafuego, start at the front ?
[06:57] <cafuego> LaserLine: yes
[06:57] <sjg> intelikey: Just what I said, I had issues with reiserfs, never with ext3
[06:57] <LaserLine> cafuego, what does that mean ?
[06:57] <tritium> sjg: I too had issues with reiserfs
[06:58] <intelikey> i've never had a problem with reiser  but i have  two times with ext2/3
[06:58] <cafuego> sjg: I've had 2 unrecoverable FS issues with reiser, 3 with XFS. None with ext2 and ext3.
[06:58] <sjg> intelikey: *knock on wood*
[06:58] <intelikey> but it was probably hardware rather than software related..
[06:58] <cafuego> sjg: The stats overall seem to indicate ext3 is the one to use.
[06:58] <sjg> agreed cafuego, im all for ext3
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> I just apt-got fbpanel, when I try to run it I get
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> fbpanel: can't start plugin menu
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> fbpanel: can't start panel
[06:59] <dabaR> hey!! Happy new year!!
[06:59] <sjg> ..
[07:00] <gusto5> whats fbpanel?!
[07:00] <dabaR> Im just joking, cause I turn on my screen, and its exactly midnight...
[07:00] <unu> bye
[07:00] <LaserLine> cafuego, I Didn't understand what you meant with the "minimum start at the front"
[07:00] <sjg> Hmm, not midnight here :P
[07:00] <dabaR> right, that too.
[07:00] <sjg> But it will be that timezone soon for me once I move
[07:01] <CarlFK> live CD - i told it that 1024xz7 was the hightest the res will go, but now I see it will do more (laptop screen isn[t full).  other than reboot, how can I enable a higer res?
[07:01] <cafuego> LaserLine: For a minimal partition scheme. / and swap. make / be the first.
[07:01] <Quinthius> oddly enough, it was just exactly midnight here :)
[07:01] <andrewski> bob2: back yet?
[07:01] <LaserLine> cafuego Ok, but should It asks "would you like to create it at the beginig or the end of the drive".. what's the diffrence ?
[07:02] <Nalioth> CarlFK: run the dpkg-reconfigure dance
[07:02] <CarlFK> thanks
[07:02] <sjg> I cannot wait to be in chi-town. ...so sick of california
[07:02] <sjg> and the 3.25 gas prices do not help
[07:02] <Quinthius> is there a huge difference between a normal install and a "server" install? or does the server just not include some desktop-oriented stuff?
[07:02] <CarlFK> sjg - i grew up in San Jose, now live in chi.  where you from/going?
[07:02] <sjg> sunnyvale to chicago
[07:03] <intelikey> ah the windy city
[07:03] <CarlFK> sjg - I just went past a station: 2.35, 45 and .55 - so fill up before you leave ;)
[07:03] <andrewski> oh, please, it's 3.19 here in philly.
[07:03] <tritium> sjg: I'll be in sunnyvale on Wednesday night
[07:03] <sjg> 3.25 makes me sad :(
[07:03] <LaserLine> cafuego, I meant the Ubuntu Partitioner asks me where to create it...
[07:03] <sjg> 98 dollar fillup this evening
[07:03] <Nalioth> Quinthius: server does not include X or any X things
[07:03] <Quinthius> Nalioth: ahhh okie
[07:03] <cafuego> LaserLine: and I said 'at the beginning"
[07:04] <LaserLine> cafuego, Ok, Thanks.
[07:04] <andrewski> cafuego: for all the people who have lauded rsync, no one knows how to make it do what tar does.
[07:04] <sjg> tritium: sunnyvale is overrated :)
[07:04] <cafuego> sjg: That's still below what the rest of the world pays, so expect it to go up.
[07:04] <sjg> cafuego: Agreed
[07:04] <tritium> sjg: it's just a business trip, overnight
[07:04] <cafuego> andrewski: I've only ever used it remotely.
[07:04] <sjg> cafuego: Sadly my truck gets like 17 mpg :(
[07:05] <sjg> tritium: where ya from?
[07:05] <worthawholebean> score one for hybrids
[07:05] <tritium> sig: Albuquerque
[07:05] <worthawholebean> :)
[07:05] <sjg> I want the new lexus hybrid suv
[07:05] <cafuego> sjg: Why do you need to drive a truck instead of a normal car?
[07:05] <andrewski> worthawholebean: i wish i could afford one, that's for sure.
[07:05] <sjg> cafuego: only vehicle, And I do quite a bit of camping, Nice to have a truck
[07:05] <worthawholebean> Anyway, about that printer... So you just set it up normally? And sharing works by default?
[07:05] <cafuego> sjg: Imagine how little fuel a non-SUV hybrid would use.
[07:05] <tritium> too bad hybrids have battery problems in hot climates like New Mexico
[07:05] <sjg> Plus for work  :P
[07:06] <LaserLine> cafuego, The reason why I'm changing the FS is becasue yesterday I reinstalled my Laptop (Only Ubuntu on it) and after I finished setting it up, and Installing all my software, I rebooted and got "EXT3 FS erros" and missing INODES, and after that some modules in the Kernel directory (sound) wern't able to load and I recieved Module erros. The system have shutdown properly.
[07:06] <sjg> cafuego: eevvvvil.
[07:06] <tritium> that may be a bit excessive, cafuego ;)
[07:06] <dabaR> Quinthius: I also hear there is a big difference, not just that. tritium what is your take on the diff between the server, and normal install, is it only the X things, that differ?
[07:06] <sjg> But alas I cannot afford a new vehicle. So Ill just stick with the titan
[07:06] <cafuego> If a car can't go somewhere, maybe you should go there by car. Walk, fat-ass.
[07:06] <sjg> And Complain about the gas prices.
[07:06] <tritium> dabaR: that's the only difference I'm familiar with
[07:06] <cafuego> s/should/shouldn't/
[07:06] <dabaR> oki.
[07:07] <sjg> lol cafuego
[07:07] <cafuego> tritium: I've come to that considered opinion after cycling around Melbourne.
[07:07] <sjg> course the toyota prius has become a possible option if i have to commute much more after i move
[07:07] <sjg> 50 mpg would be heavenly
[07:08] <tritium> cafuego: still a bit excessive, I'd say
[07:08] <cafuego> tritium: When poeple drive SUVs because they prefer to be in a heavier, alrger car when they crash, they need to be made soylent green.
[07:08] <sjg> cafuego: What about people that drive superbikes?
[07:08] <sjg> Those things dont exactly get good gas milage
[07:08] <LaserLine> Dudes, I got a CRAZY idea.... NTFS never had problems with my system (XP worked flawlessly)... What would Happend if I Installed UBUNTU with NTFS ???
[07:09] <cafuego> sjg: They use far less fuel and DO pay attention to fellow traffic, because they're ALSO vulnerably.
[07:09] <Nalioth> LaserLine: waht are you doing?
[07:09] <Quinthius> LaserLine: i don't think linux has very good write support for ntfs at all yet...
[07:09] <sjg> cafuego: true, i know when i ride mine Im very careful cause i dont wanna get crunched
[07:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth Trying not to Install Windows XP on my laptop.............
[07:10] <sjg> But normally I drive my truck everywhere about 95% of the time, 40k + miles a year.
[07:10] <Nalioth> by ctcp'ing us?
[07:10] <tritium> I dislike drunk drivers far more than I disklike SUV drivers
[07:10] <cafuego> sjg: That;s a massive difference from wiping out pedestrians, cycles, bikes and smaller cars with a damn TANK.
[07:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> tritium: what about drunken SUV drivers?
[07:10] <Quinthius> tritium: dont ever come to kansas then...
[07:10] <Nalioth> Quinthius: i say that writing to NTFS from linux is the best first step to an all-linux box
[07:10] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem: ;)
[07:11] <tritium> oh, the drunk driving in New Mexico is pretty bad
[07:11] <cafuego> sjg: Probably 80% of those here don't use their mirrors, because theye xpect small fry to get out of the way anwyay.
[07:11] <sjg> omg
[07:11] <sjg> cafuego: where you live?
[07:11] <LaserLine> Why shouldn't I choose EXT2 ? I'm reading here: http://linux.org.mt/article/filesystems  (very interesting)
[07:11] <sjg> Ahh, NZ yah...
[07:11] <Madpilot> If it's an all-Linux box, why not just use EXT3 or similar? wwho needs NTFS?
[07:11] <Quinthius> tritium: oh, i thought you said "truck" drivers. but drunk is even more applicable here :(
[07:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone here use Fluxbox?
[07:11] <dabaR> I use openbox.
[07:12] <cafuego> sjg: Melbourne
[07:12] <Nalioth> LaserLine: use ext3 (psst, it's ext2 + journaling = ext3)
[07:12] <cafuego> sjg: (Australia)
[07:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is that similar to fluxbox?
[07:12] <sjg> ntfs.....is a microsoft proprietary filesystem, it belongs no where near linux imo
[07:12] <CarlFK> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive  The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux
[07:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, not free
[07:12] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: it is similar...like debian and ubuntu:)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, it requires the MS NTFS driver
[07:12] <sjg> cafuego: I assumed nz from your domain, heh :p
[07:12] <hondje> I thought captive wasn't being developed anymore
[07:13] <Nalioth> CarlFK: if you like the idea of a microsoft lib riding along with your kernel
[07:13] <cafuego> CarlFK: isn't that a filthy travesty like ndiswrapper?
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth Reading about that now... But I can't TRUST EXT3 anymore on this laptop... 3 times, the same problems... while every check on UBCD says my drive is good.
[07:13] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: I have not used the fluxbox much, so I cant tell you.
[07:13] <cafuego> LaserLine: Go ext2, then.
[07:13] <Nalioth> LaserLine: chuck the lappy
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Even checked the CPU, Memory and IDE controllers.
[07:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: Is it easy to change themes in?
[07:13] <cafuego> LaserLine: if ext2 fucks up, you DO have a hardware issue.
[07:13] <Madpilot> LaserLine: time to replace the lappy's harddrive?
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth I was searching EBAY for a Super Elektro-Magnet....... but they are too expensive...
[07:14] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: which openbox? ya... #fluxbox exists.
[07:14] <sjg> LaserLine: Your hdd might be having issues. Seriously,
[07:14] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, I'm there.
[07:14] <Nalioth> LaserLine: car or truck works good
[07:14] <CarlFK> Burgundavia - why would you have NTFS if you didn't have the MS drivers already?
[07:14] <Nalioth> LaserLine: is the lappy near you and connected to the net right now?
[07:14] <sjg> LaserLine: What is ext3 doing that makes it "mess up"
[07:14] <worthawholebean> How do I get my hard drive(s) to show on the desktop?
[07:14] <CarlFK> (same question for anyone else commenting on why ntfs)
[07:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Yes...
[07:14] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: there is a openbox forum thread at ubuntuforums.org, started by stormy eyes.
[07:15] <Nalioth> LaserLine: got a livecd?
[07:15] <LaserLine> sjb, nothing. I installed my selection of software. and that's about it...
[07:15] <dabaR> he left...
[07:15] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, umm, you are missing the point
[07:15] <sjg> LaserLine: So whats the "Problem" then?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, captive is not free by any stretch of the imagination
[07:16] <dabaR> worthawholebean: which ones? do you have a computer icon on the desktop?
[07:16] <Nalioth> LaserLine: can you boot the lappy with an ubuntu liveCD and get it online?
[07:16] <LaserLine> sjb I recieve EXT3 FS Errors on Boot time, and after I fix it with recovery mode and "shutdown -rF now" I recieve other problems like modules being bad and so, and then another fsck session needs to be run.
[07:17] <dabaR> back up.
[07:17] <CarlFK> um, I can DL and use the captive part, without having to pay any more than I did for the OS that got me ntfs inthe first place.  how is that not free?
[07:17] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Harddrive is 63% wiping, in 8 minutes I could get it online, but with no data on the drive..
[07:17] <CarlFK> or is the fact that I have to pay for the  CPU and Hard drive make everything "not free"?
[07:17] <sjg> LaserLine: Did you power the system off, without proper shutdown?
[07:18] <Madpilot> CarlFK: it's the fact that you have to pay MS for the NTFS drivers that make the whole NTFS-writer app non-Free...
[07:18] <dabaR> CarlFK: ? are you asking what it means free in the free software circles?
[07:18] <som1> hi, my dad just bought some leet digital camera (hp photosmart m417), how do i download the pictures from it? :] 
[07:18] <dabaR> som1: tried plugging it into the computer?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> som1,  plug it in - and it 'should' show up as a usb drive.
[07:18] <Nalioth> LaserLine: that's fine
[07:18] <som1> well
[07:18] <som1> it doesnt.
[07:18] <Nalioth> LaserLine: let me know when you're online with it
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> hit it with a hammer. :P
[07:19] <som1> unless im looking in the wrong place
[07:19] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Thanks..
[07:19] <som1> where should it show up?
[07:19] <CarlFK> Madpilot - right, but you wouldn't have NTFS in the first place if you didnt' already own the MS product.  the part that is "captive ntfs" is free, open, all that
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> som1,  check the output of 'dmesg' as ya plug/unplug/plug it in.
[07:19] <dabaR>  som1 are you running gnome?
[07:19] <OohBattman> anyone set up a DVICO dvb tv card before?
[07:19] <som1> lets see.
[07:19] <Madpilot> Dr_Willis: you're from the "subtle" school of tech support, then? ;)
[07:19] <Juhaz> som1, at least some hp cameras have an option somewhere in the in-camera menus that control if it works as usb drive
[07:19] <som1> no, im with kubuntu.
[07:19] <som1> ohh..
[07:19] <som1> yeah, ive seen something.
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Madpilot,  yep. :P if dmesg aint printing out info about it.. no amount of other twiddling with gnome will help
[07:19] <sjg> Madpilot: He must be "bofh" trained ...
[07:20] <CarlFK> dabaR - I am pretty much quoting the web page, which I tend to agree with.  others on the channel have a problem with it's use of "free"
[07:20] <Nalioth> Madpilot: Dr_Willis is the king of 'dynamic performance testing'
[07:20] <Madpilot> CarlFK: right, but the whole thing isn't, and people who don't run Win might still be interested in NTFS-writing (can't imagine why, but...)
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> gotta love people that spend all day tryign to get their network working.. THEN realize they tripped over the cable. :P
[07:20] <sjg> lol Nalioth...
[07:20] <sjg> Lol Dr_Willis
[07:20] <som1> here we go.
[07:20] <dabaR> CarlFK: its about the definition...it seems. dunno. You did not answer my question, tho.
[07:20] <sjg> Those people make me want to hit them in the head with a 2x4
[07:20] <som1> :D
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Then again, my wife was mad - shw couldent find the button to 'unlock' the Washer machine... she dident see the button with the fine print "Hold for 3 sec to unlock' :P
[07:21] <Madpilot> First Rule of Troubleshooting: Thou shalt check to see if it is plugged in... ;)
[07:21] <dabaR> som1: good stuff.
[07:21] <CarlFK> dabaR - A: no.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> network checking #2 rule.. if the dog has chewed on the cable.. replace it anyway.
[07:21] <dabaR> oki.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> that took me a week to find!
[07:21] <sjg> I hate it when dogs chew cables
[07:22] <sjg> Mine did, my playstation 2 cables, my network cables, my flatpanel dvi cable
[07:22] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I'll /Msg you...
[07:22] <sjg> I was "NOT" happy.
[07:22] <CarlFK> Madpilot - I think you are thinking that the captive package includes the MS drivers.  "it" (what you get when you dl captive) doesn't, so "it" can be called free
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> i spryed all the cables with some "apple bitters" to keep them from chewing.. then sort of had it on my hands... then  was eating some food... and dident wash first... Ewwww
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> that stuff will keep you from chewing your nails.
[07:22] <dabaR> CarlFK: can you modify it?
[07:22] <ionrock> has anyone else had any issues with the mono and related packages in breezy?
[07:23] <sjg> Dr_Willis: eww.
[07:23] <Madpilot> sjg: so you converted the dog into a dog-fur rug, right? ;)
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> sjg,  but the stuff kept the dog from chewing.
[07:23] <som1> awesome.
[07:23] <som1> thanks
[07:23] <sjg> Madpilot: That dog is not allowed in the house anymore.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> ionrock, what sort of issues
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Lol.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> poor puppy wanted to play PS2!
[07:23] <sjg> I almost took him to the pound for that
[07:24] <dabaR> I like the almost part.
[07:24] <sjg> I was quite pissed.
[07:24] <CarlFK> dabaR - you get the source, the page mentions "Open Source" but I don't see an official licience
[07:24] <Madpilot> CarlFK: even if it doesn't include the drivers, it depends on them, and they're not free...
[07:24] <ionrock> Burgundavia, everytime I try to run a mono app (ie tomboy, muine, etc) I get an error saying it can't find the Mono.Posix assembly
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ionrock, you updated to the latest mono
[07:24] <CarlFK> Madpilot - ext2 depens on things you have to buy to.  but ext2 is free, right?
[07:24] <pixelmonkey> why is libcairo1 "not available" in breezy?
[07:25] <ionrock> Burgundavia, I just have been doing apt-get upgrades in breezy
[07:25] <Madpilot> CarlFK: hardware isn't the issuet, if you mean "you have to own a hard drive to be able to use EXT2"...
[07:25] <Madpilot> *issue
[07:26] <dabaR>  even if you buy a copy of linux, its still free, that stands.
[07:26] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Loading the LIVE CD - I /MSG you....
[07:26] <dabaR> can you guys go to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:27] <Madpilot> CarlFK: http://www.debian.org/intro/free
[07:27] <CarlFK> Madpilot - find me something that sugests that depandancy on non free drivers voids the OSness of it.
[07:27] <Madpilot> CarlFK: read the URL I just posted...
[07:27] <Burgundavia> ionrock, what version are you running?
[07:28] <CarlFK> Madpilot - like "While free software is not totally free of constraints" or is there something that supports your point?
[07:28] <ionrock> Burgundavia, mono? 1.1.8.2
[07:28] <Burgundavia> ionrock, -1ubuntu4?
[07:29] <Madpilot> CarlFK: the "free to develop" part, and "free to copy"
[07:29] <CarlFK> right, right.  so captive is free.  glad we can agree.
[07:29] <ionrock> Burgundavia, not sure what you mean... I just did an upgrade to the latest breezy if that is what you mean
[07:29] <Burgundavia> ionrock, the mono version should be 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu4
[07:29] <Madpilot> CarlFK: let's move to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue, OK?
[07:30] <ionrock> Burgundavia, ah, the package... let me double check that
[07:30] <CarlFK> how bout we drop it. I dont' really care.
[07:30] <tritium> move it to off-topic guys
[07:30] <ionrock> Burgundavia, yeah that is what it is
[07:30] <dabaR> 2 the ' is used to show where the letters are missing...so like, don't if anyone cares.
[07:30] <ionrock> 1.1.8.2-1ubuntu4
[07:30] <CarlFK> na, if anyone wants ntfs stuff, they can figure it out.  I have no more to add.
[07:31] <LaserLine> Nalioth I'm Online
[07:31] <Nalioth> LaserLine: apt-get install smartmontools
[07:31] <CarlFK> for the flip side that almost nulls the whoe issue: http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:32] <LaserLine> Nalioth, from the live CD terminal in Gnome ?
[07:32] <LaserLine> Nalioth That should be with sudo, right ?
[07:32] <CarlFK> cours I suppose that requries windows too, so maybe it is the same.  again, I don't care.
[07:32] <Nalioth> LaserLine: yes, all correct
[07:32] <dabaR> CarlFK: good link.
[07:33] <LaserLine> "couldn't find package"
[07:33] <CarlFK> tx.  I havn't tired it yet, so don't take it as an indorsement
[07:33] <Madpilot> CarlFK: #ubuntu-offtopic - you're missing a couple of details that're important...
[07:33] <LaserLine> Nalioth "couldn't find package"
[07:33] <CarlFK> Madpilot "
[07:33] <intelikey> where is the headquarters of debian ?    what geographical local ?
[07:33] <CarlFK> Madpilot "I" dont' care.  if anyone does care, they can go get them
[07:33] <Nalioth> laserline enable all the repos
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth Got it :D
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth needet to apt-get update.
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth (didn't need to enable all the repos, it's in MAIN)
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth What to do now ?
[07:35] <Nalioth> LaserLine: run (from a terminal) "smartctl"
[07:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there anyone to make a transparent terminal window not display the background image if a window is between it and the desktop?
[07:35] <Nalioth> LaserLine: paste the output to a pastebin in the /topic
[07:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> anyone = anyway
[07:35] <LaserLine> it requires a device name... it shoud be /dev/hda ?
[07:36] <Nalioth> LaserLine: yes
[07:36] <LaserLine> Nalioth nothing happend - I ran "smartctl /dev/hda"
[07:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there anyway to make a transparent terminal window not display the background image if a window is between it and the desktop?
[07:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> :p
[07:37] <Nalioth> LaserLine: nothing happned at all?
[07:38] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: you know you are really asking whether it is possible to display the window in between, right?
[07:38] <LaserLine> Nalioth now I wrote smartctl /dev/hda -a
[07:38] <LaserLine> Nalioth and got output
[07:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: Yeah.
[07:39] <Nalioth> LaserLine: paste it and show us the link
[07:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: is it?
[07:39] <pablo928> I just downloaded the latest upgrades for Breezy and now Firefox crashes as soon as it opens.
[07:39] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: I believe not.
[07:39] <geeksauce> back with another question...every time i run rhthymbox while my ipod is connected, it immediately crashes.  what could be the problem?
[07:40] <LaserLine> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1809
[07:41] <fr500> hi
[07:41] <fr500> has anyone succefully compiled bmpx?
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[07:42] <CarlFK> rats.  how come xorg.conf has 1024, but prefs/screen res only has 640 and 800?  (and ctrl alt + only flipes between those two)
[07:42] <Madpilot> !fixres
[07:42] <ubotu> [fixres]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <Nalioth> LaserLine: your HD is fuX0rd
[07:42] <Madpilot> CarlFK: see above ^^^
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> CarlFK,  could be the monitor settings are to blame. not the vid card settings.
[07:42] <dabaR> BROKEN_LADDER: you better have something else to follow up on that.
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth What ?
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth How do you know that ?
[07:43] <Nalioth> LaserLine: did you not read what the thing output?
[07:43] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: cite and/or source?
[07:43] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the word "Failing" mean anything?
[07:43] <CarlFK> Dr_Willis - do laptop lcd's have monitor settings?
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I read... I don't understand all...
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth It's only on "Load_Cycle_Count"
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> CarlFK,  they are special. :P    but hmm.. this a wide screen lcd?
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the program you ran talks to the HD's onboard processor
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the onboard processor keeps tabs on the 'health' of the HD
[07:44] <CarlFK> nope.  P2-266, 1024x768
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: your HD is "failing_now"
[07:45] <Nalioth> LaserLine: as has been pointed out, you have hardware trouble
[07:45] <geeksauce> it says "the application 'rhthymbox' has quit unexpectedly" and gives me the option to restart the app, close, or inform developers
[07:45] <CarlFK> Dr_Willis - I am booting the ubuntu live CD.  the box has FC2 on it, and that runs at 1024
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl  - is handy for my needs. you could copy the working X config over. and compare the 2
[07:45] <CarlFK> I am tempted to just cp xorg.conf and restart X.
[07:46] <CarlFK> will ctrl-alt-bs restart X on the live CD?
[07:46] <LaserLine> Nalioth, But only in the "Load_Cycle_Count"... (what that means?)
[07:47] <dabaR> CarlFK: ya.
[07:48] <LaserLine> Nalioth If I test it ? with -t long or short or offline....?
[07:48] <Nalioth> LaserLine: a hard drive is a precision instrument. if i got this on a production machine, i'd back up the data and buy a new HD
[07:50] <LaserLine> Nalioth It says the the Overall helth passed....
[07:52] <Nalioth> LaserLine: do as you wish. but hardware ill health WAS confirmed
[07:52] <LaserLine> Nalioth Ok... (2.5" HD are kinda expensive... already put 250$ for the laptop :( )
[07:53] <sjg> What speed laptop?
[07:53] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it aint the cost of the drive, it's the cost of labor to put it in
[07:53] <Madpilot> LaserLine: if you only paid $250 for the lappy, getting a new HD still makes it a fairly cheap laptop!
[07:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> When the next version of Ubuntu comes out, how would I upgrade?
[07:53] <sjg> Laptop drives are not too bad, My main computer is a laptop and I have 2 hdd's for it, One with win xp, the one it came with and another 60gb laptop drive for linux
[07:53] <LaserLine> Nalioth no no no... I paid 250$ to get the battery fixed and new ram...
[07:54] <LaserLine> Nalioth This was supposed to be my laptop for school (starting university)
[07:54] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: supposedly there'll be a big "Upgrade Now" button, like the red icons for regular updates that we already get...
[07:54] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: /msg ubotu upgrade2breezy, and dont do it now, if you like to use your computer.
[07:54] <dabaR> Madpilot: really?
[07:54] <Hmmmm> LaserLine, where did u pick up the laptop? i am lookin for a cheap one myself
[07:54] <dabaR> that dont sound right.
[07:55] <Nalioth> LaserLine: what part of the country do you live in?
[07:55] <LaserLine> Nalioth It was my dad's.. It is 1.7KG with the battery (I live in Israel)
[07:56] <Nalioth> LaserLine: then go to your local electronics outlet and get another 20gb HD for it
[07:56] <Madpilot> dabaR: that's what I heard, but can't remember even who told me...
[07:56] <shadeofgrey> okay guys.  im finally fed up with openoffice.  whats the best alternative?
[07:57] <sjg> shadeofgrey: vim
[07:57] <sjg> :P
[07:57] <LaserLine> I hope i'll find one cheap (all are 80GB)
[07:57] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: Koffice?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that will not make breezy
[07:57] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, what's wrong with OO.o?
[07:57] <dabaR> Madpilot: why it dont sound right to me, is cause that upgrade button pulls from the sources.list, which will still have hoary, and thus not know about the new packages in breezy...
[07:57] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: the fancy instant-upgrade thing? oh well...
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> trisstan:  its slow, very buggy, and they're taking forever with 2.0
[07:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I think so
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> it crashes on me all the time...
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> and this is linux...  screw crashes
[07:58] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, too bad, I've never had a problem
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> if i wanted that shit id go back to windows and use office
[07:58] <sjg> lol
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> tristan:  have you ever tried writing 400 page novels with it?
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> ive got 2 gigs of ram and it still chokes
[07:59] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, no, but I haven't with Word either
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> thats unacceptyable
[07:59] <tristanmike> hope you have a spell check, lol
[07:59] <Hmmmm> LaserLine, check this out for HDD: http://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/click?lid=41000000000558655&redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compusa.com%2Fproducts%2Fproduct_info.asp%3F%26ref%3Dcj%26pfp%3Dcj%26product_code%3D316196
[07:59] <Xanthus7> Hello is there anything in ubuntu for twain drivers for a scanner
[08:00] <Burgundavia> XandriX, sane should work
[08:00] <LaserLine> Nalioth If the laptop's harddrive is Toshiba MK-1016GAP, What kind of drive should I get ?
[08:00] <Xanthus7> ok
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> all scanners use the "SANE" scaning tools   may want to check the SANE homepage for details on your speficic scanner.
[08:00] <geeksauce> ima try and compile and install the latest build.  what is a good c compiler to download?
[08:00] <LaserLine> It's for a Fujitsu-Siemens S-4546 laptop (P3-600, 256MB RAM Intel440MX Chipset)
[08:01] <dabaR> geeksauce: sudo aptitude install build-essential.
[08:01] <dabaR> then gcc
[08:01] <geeksauce> gcc?  you're talkin to a noob here...
[08:01] <aftertaf> shadeofgrey:  i find the beta version is quite stable already...
[08:01] <pablo928> I made a incorrect statement earlier. I said that my browser crashes as soon as it opens. Actually that's because the homepage is set to yahoo. I can accesws any other page without problems, but the browser crashes as soon as I go to a Yahoo page.
[08:01] <fr500> shadeofgrey, abbiword? (haven't tested it)
[08:01] <dabaR> gcc dabar.c
[08:01] <aftertaf> pablo928:  use google ;)
[08:02] <fr500> is 00.o2 faster?
[08:02] <dabaR> geeksauce: you can leave out teh noob parrt next time.
[08:02] <Madpilot> pablo928: yahoo is evil
[08:02] <aftertaf> looool Madpilot :)
[08:02] <pablo928> aftertaf- I've used Yahoo as my homepage for years.
[08:02] <LaserLine> It's this drive : http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/english/spec/hdd/mk1016.htm
[08:02] <dabaR> that BROKEN_LADDER dude was weird with his paste.
[08:02] <aftertaf> true, but google does seem intent on world domination too... secret buyout by M$ maybe ;)
[08:02] <geeksauce> gotcha
[08:03] <aftertaf> pablo928:  only messing ;)
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> That would be amusing.
[08:03] <pablo928> aftertaf- Doesn't yahoo like firefox. Or is it the other way around?
[08:03] <aftertaf> never tried, pablo928, it is odd though...
[08:03] <sjg> Dr_Willis: GoogleLinux lol
[08:03] <djur> I can't figure out how to fix it.
[08:03] <Madpilot> pablo928: which URL crashed FF?
[08:03] <pablo928> I even have the Yahoo toolbar installed on firefox.
[08:04] <aftertaf> can you try konqueror, or nautilus... just to test.?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> sjg,  is "GooLinux" better? :P isent that taken allready?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> lol
[08:04] <KornFlamez> hello, i'm pretty new to linux, this may seem a simple problem but i would appreciate all your help ;  here it goes i installed a video player xine, according to ubuntuguide.org and now the default installed totom player doesn't start up anymore it gives the following error totem cannot be executed source occupied or not available ??
[08:04] <Madpilot> !tell KornFlamez about ubuntuguide
[08:04] <pablo928>  Madpilot- Any Yahoo page.....let me try yahoo.com
[08:04] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about cle
[08:04] <dabaR> KornFlamez: tell us about whether esd is running.
[08:04] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about cli
[08:05] <dabaR> and KornFlamez tell us about whether you use gnome.
[08:05] <sjg> Dr_Willis: lol, I think im just too taken with ubuntu, I switched from Redhat which i started with back around the 5.2 era to debian for a short time, then started using ubuntu around warty initial release and have been here ever since.
[08:05] <djur> what about installing the "how to turn on numlock on gnome startup?" would cause a USB keyboard to stop working.  I even removed the line I added to /etc/x11/gdm/init/default   and it still isn't working.
[08:05] <fr500> KornFlamez, i would get totem-xine
[08:05] <KornFlamez> i use gnome yes, i got cd mailed to my frontdoor
[08:05] <Nalioth> LaserLine: you get sorted?
[08:05] <AvatarofVirgo> I installed Ubuntu as a dual boot next to SUSE.  I'm on SUSE right now because I can't get my external serial modem to work with Ubuntu.  Can some one help me?
[08:06] <Madpilot> pablo928: www.yahoo.com just loaded fine for me, in both Opera & FF
[08:06] <KornFlamez> madpilot is there something i have to know about ubuntuguide ( i know it says unofficial at the top of page ) but besides that?
[08:06] <pablo928> Madpilot- Any Yahoo page including Yahoo.com is crashing my browser.
[08:06] <fr500> pablo928, same for me
[08:06] <brownie17> djur: that sounds really helpful actually, i wish mine would start on, but is it likely that it would cause those problems with every keyboard, or is your case an individual
[08:06] <fr500> KornFlamez, u got me?
[08:06] <LaserLine> Nalioth sorted ?
[08:07] <aftertaf> pablo928:  try just plain mozilla, see if same happens... maybe remove/purge then reinstall ? :/
[08:07] <KornFlamez> can i just apt-get that?
[08:07] <fr500> yws
[08:07] <Madpilot> brownie17: I've got numlockx running on this PS/2 keyboard, and it works just fine
[08:07] <benplaut> why do so many *nx users despise and take offense at Nano/Pico?
[08:07] <fr500> **yes
[08:07] <geeksauce> dabaR: i am still unclear about what i am supposed to do with gcc dabar.c
[08:07] <Nalioth> LaserLine: decide what you are gonna do?
[08:07] <Madpilot> benplaut: because they aren't as cool/complicated as emacs or vi?
[08:07] <apokryphos> benplaut: they do? Haven't noticed it. Many old-school users consider nano pseudo-vim
[08:07] <dabaR> geeksauce: what are you trying to compile?
[08:08] <sjg> mmmm vi ....
[08:08] <sjg> I <3 vi
[08:08] <pablo928> ) Madpilot- it worked just fine on this box also until I installed the latest Breezy upgrades.
[08:08] <apokryphos> I seriously doubt users are more productive on vi[m]  than I am on Kate or Kwrite.
[08:08] <Madpilot> pablo928: ah, OK. still using Hoary here
[08:08] <fr500> apokryphos, or even nano
[08:08] <geeksauce> dabar: rhthymbox 0.9.0
[08:08] <sjg> apokryphos: I think its just a personal preference.
[08:09] <dabaR> geeksauce: why, and where did you get the source?
[08:09] <sjg> apokryphos: I use vi and/or abiword 99% of the time
[08:09] <pablo928> ) Madpilot- I am too on another box. This one is just to play with.
[08:09] <apokryphos> sjg: I still can't help but think users are with vi[m]  to specifically stay old-school, and not accepting full GUI.
[08:09] <apokryphos> sjg: not all, of course.
[08:09] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Trying to install with ReiserFS (i;m going the HARD WAY!) if it'll crash i'll look for a new hardrive, could you help me out with the hardrive choise ? I have this drive: http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/english/spec/hdd/mk1016.htm and found a toshiba drive for cheap (under 100$) here: http://www.toshiba-europe.com/storage/products/otherdocs/Brochures/SDDBrochure_02-2005.pdf
[08:09] <benplaut> apokryphos, what do you consider Emacs users?
[08:09] <Madpilot> apokryphos: interesting theory...
[08:10] <sjg> emacs, ...eww
[08:10] <sjg> I absolutely abhor emacs
[08:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth the MK4032GAX
[08:10] <sjg> Id rather use ms office than emacs
[08:10] <apokryphos> benplaut: I don't really use it; I don't generally use vi much either
[08:10] <dabaR> ok, this is off topic... sjg
[08:10] <geeksauce> because 0.8.8 crashes when i have my ipod connected; got the source from http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/download.html
[08:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I'm don't really know what HD this laptop would take (today it's 4200RPM, with 1MB Buffer 9.5MM)
[08:11] <dabaR> geeksauce: is there compilation instructions? did you install build-essential?
[08:11] <djur> how would I list drives available to be mounted?
[08:11] <Nalioth> LaserLine: any 2.5" you find will do, i'm sure
[08:11] <dabaR> djur: how many hard disks do you have?
[08:11] <dabaR> sudo fdisk -l djur
[08:11] <geeksauce> dabar: i installed build-essential, but i am not sure what you meant by gcc dabar.c
[08:12] <pablo928> ) Madpilot-just tried google.com and it crashed too, but MSN.com works. It this a plot?
[08:12] <KornFlamez> thx alot that solved it
[08:12] <dabaR> geeksauce: it was an example, and a wrong one to that.
[08:12] <sjg> pablo928: Thats realllllllly weird
[08:12] <dabaR> geeksauce: did you untar the source?
[08:12] <geeksauce> yeah
[08:12] <djur> hm..
[08:12] <djur> can you mount a drive from the live system?
[08:12] <LaserLine> darn, I need to buy an LCD Screen, Speakers and now a Hard-drive !?! (the LCD and speakers are for my desktop - moving out)
[08:13] <aftertaf> breezy bug?
[08:13] <djur> says it doesn't exist in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:13] <aftertaf> does it just die?
[08:13] <aftertaf> pablo928:  ?
[08:13] <pablo928>  sjg:I know. I'm still laughing about it. But I shouldn't be. I also use Yahoo mail.
[08:13] <sjg> LaserLine: college is expensive, buy less beer :p
[08:13] <aftertaf> !tell djur about mount
[08:13] <Epix> Hey. Can anyone recomend some free console-only games? I would expecally like a multiplayer one. Any suggestions?
[08:13] <djur> since that's the live systems fstab and mtab..  I don't think I can do anything about it...
[08:13] <sjg> pablo928: I just hit yahoo and a ton of other sites no issues here
[08:13] <sjg> pablo928: Just curious what release are you on and have you upgraded your browser ?
[08:14] <aftertaf> djur:  with just the mount command, maybe, but not automount...
[08:14] <LaserLine> LoL
[08:14] <tristanmike> what do you mean by "console" Epix?
[08:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Should I go for 4200 or 5400 ? (now it's 4200)
[08:14] <Epix> tristanmike: as in, not in X
[08:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth - It's kind of an old laptop...
[08:14] <pablo928>  sjg:On my hoary box it works fine too. It's just on this breezy box after I loaded the latest upgrades a few minutes ago.
[08:14] <tristanmike> ahhh
[08:15] <sjg> LaserLine: Id get  a 5400 or if you can afford it a 7200
[08:15] <sjg> LaserLine: the 7200 rpm drives are slightly expensive.
[08:15] <_mindspin> hi, I have a call to a .sh script in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh which mounts samba shares automatically on boot, I get a"permission denied", the script is owned by root. anny idea how to make it work on boot?
[08:15] <LaserLine> ok...
[08:15] <sjg> pablo928: im on breezy currently, with a freshly upgraded system and it works perfect.
[08:15] <Nalioth> LaserLine: whatever is cheaper, keep in mind the heat issues
[08:15] <dabaR> geeksauce: do you have a terminal open in the folder that you untared to?
[08:15] <CarlFK> _mindspin - why not put them in fstab?
[08:15] <aftertaf> _mindspin:  put it elsewhere and make a sym link in /etc/init.d
[08:15] <Nalioth> sjg: this is for a laptop
[08:16] <_mindspin> it does not work from fstab
[08:16] <sjg> Nalioth, my laptop is using a hitachi 2.5 inch 60gb 7200 rpm drive /shrug
[08:16] <geeksauce> dabaR: yes
[08:16] <dabaR> ./configure
[08:16] <djur> okay.. so I screwed up my system and can't use my USB keyboard....  I can't mount the drive from the live system...  how can I fix this?  is there anything remotely like a recovery feature (beside the one in the boot menu)?
[08:16] <apokryphos> _mindspin: did you chmod it?
[08:16] <CarlFK> _mindspin - um, mine do.  whats wrong with yours ?
[08:16] <_mindspin> yes its chmodded
[08:16] <LaserLine> NAlioth... Hope it won't crash again ... (Or I  will have to buy a new drive)
[08:17] <geeksauce> dabar: i compiled it per the instructions in the readme, and got some errors...
[08:17] <apokryphos> _mindspin: a symlink as suggested will of course work, though.
[08:17] <sjg> LaserLine: I suggest backing up anything important.
[08:17] <dabaR> !compiling
[08:17] <_mindspin> CarlFK could you post it somewhere?,
[08:17] <dabaR> !compiling
[08:17] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it is not a "if" it is a "when"
[08:17] <apokryphos> dabaR: too long for here, I think.
[08:17] <Nalioth> dabar write one
[08:17] <Nalioth> dabaR: use /msg
[08:18] <dabaR> ya, thanks.
[08:18] <Nalioth> sjg: LaserLine posted his S.M.A.R.T report. his HD is failing
[08:18] <_mindspin> apokryphos: I'll have a try with the symlink
[08:18] <sjg> Nalioth, yeah i read it
[08:18] <pablo928>  sjg- I can't imagine what caused my problem. Maybe I need to reinstall firefox.
[08:18] <geeksauce> dabaR: checking for hal >= 0.2.92 hal < 0.5 gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.7.4... Package hal was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[08:18] <geeksauce> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `hal.pc'
[08:18] <geeksauce> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:18] <sjg> Nalioth, Id be removing that drive asafp
[08:18] <CarlFK> _mindspin //cnt496/d      /mnt/smb/cnt496/d        smbfs  username=carl,password=xyz,noauto 0 0
[08:18] <apokryphos> geeksauce: please don't paste in here.
[08:18] <CarlFK> that is the line from fstab
[08:18] <geeksauce> my bad
[08:18] <sjg> pablo928: remove, purge, reinstall firefox might fix it :P
[08:19] <LaserLine> Nalioth...nothing is important on it now :D
[08:19] <_mindspin> CarlFK: thats exactly (beside path and user;-) what I had in fstab
[08:19] <aftertaf> like i said....
[08:19] <sjg> LaserLine: Till you get a new drive, be religious about backing it up :P
[08:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: try exporting the variable then and recompile
[08:19] <pablo928>  sjg- the removal and reinstall is easy, but how do I purge?
[08:19] <Nalioth> LaserLine: and dont put anything important on it
[08:19] <LaserLine> Atleast I studied linux on it.......... I like it D
[08:19] <CarlFK> _mindspin - what about the "noauto" ?
[08:19] <djur> I'm trying to add hda1 to my fstab file...   what is the syntax?
[08:20] <LaserLine> Nalioth should I install the Smart Deamon on the laptop ?
[08:20] <dabaR> night
[08:20] <aftertaf> djur:  did you check the link?
[08:20] <apokryphos> djur: well, what is it you're mounting?
[08:20] <djur> my hard drive
[08:20] <geeksauce> apokryphos: exporting the variable?
[08:20] <_mindspin> I had it in, no work replaced it and added gid and uid for getting write access
[08:20] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it's only gonna count down the inevitable
[08:20] <apokryphos> djur: obviously. What filetype, and what do you plan the mountpoint being
[08:20] <aftertaf> lol apokryphos :)
[08:21] <damone> hi everyone!
[08:21] <apokryphos> geeksauce: yes, as it says. export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pgkconfig/
[08:21] <damone> i really need help with ubuntu install
[08:21] <NoUse> damone what kind of problem are you having?
[08:21] <damone> it loops the user password step
[08:21] <djur> uhm...  it's  ffa3 or something like that.. the default file system...  and /dev/hda1   *           1         753     6048441   83  Linux
[08:21] <djur> is what I get from fdisk -l
[08:21] <aftertaf> erf...
[08:21] <NoUse> damone is this a downloaded CD?
[08:22] <damone> yes i downloaded the cd
[08:22] <damone> the install works ok till user pass step
[08:22] <dabaR> geeksauce: I strongly suggest you read compilation instructions on the site if there are any.
[08:22] <NoUse> damone did you you use bittorrent or just the web?
[08:22] <damone> the web
[08:23] <aftertaf> and.... are you actually putting in a password (sorry for the silly question)
[08:23] <Nalioth> damone: did you md5 checksum your iso image b4 you burnt it?
[08:23] <apokryphos> djur: ok.... /dev/hda1       /mount/point           ext3    defaults        0       2
[08:23] <apokryphos> djur: I take it it's ext3...
[08:23] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  83 ;)
[08:23] <djur> yeah I think that's it :)
[08:23] <damone> yes i input passwords but the screens dosnt show anything, not even *s
[08:24] <apokryphos> aftertaf: ?
[08:24] <aftertaf> damone:  thats normal.
[08:24] <dabaR> what is this supposed to mean? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1810
[08:24] <dabaR> I get it on xine too.
[08:24] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  83 = fs type, right?
[08:24] <NoUse> damone did you md5 checksum the image?
[08:25] <apokryphos> aftertaf: 83 = ext3, yes.
[08:25] <damone> actually im installing in spanish language... but i dont think thats the prob
[08:25] <brownie17> madpilot: i'm having a bit of trouble
[08:25] <damone> nope, i didnt check, but im sure its working ok
[08:25] <NoUse> damone obviously its not
[08:25] <damone> well yes
[08:25] <damone> but i guess mn
[08:25] <brownie17> madpilot: I put a shortcut to a program i have into the applications directory, and it for some reason loses its cutom icon as soon as i do
[08:25] <geeksauce> apokryphos: did that, recompiled...same error, among a few other similar ones
[08:26] <damone> maybe its something else
[08:26] <apokryphos> geeksauce: what is it you're compiling?
[08:26] <geeksauce> apokryphos: rhthymboc 0.9.0
[08:26] <NoUse> damone do you have the iso file handy?
[08:26] <CarlFK> anyone know the growisofs command to erase and burn an image to a CD-RW?
[08:27] <apokryphos> geeksauce: are you specifying the gnome prefix on configure, whatever it is...
[08:27] <apokryphos> geeksauce: try using build-dep, too.
[08:27] <Madpilot> brownie17: using .desktop files?
[08:27] <brownie17> madpilot: yes
[08:27] <brownie17> madpilot:
[08:27] <damone> wow.... i think i messed up the partitions, because i did a default install and now it just worked ok
[08:27] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i'm not sure what the gnome prefix is
[08:27] <NoUse> damone cool
[08:27] <LaserLine> Guys, I silly GMAIL Question... How do I disable the option it adds the original message to the replied one (I'm reading the help, and can't find a thing)
[08:28] <damone> i was trying to make a fat 32 partion to transfer files from windows
[08:28] <Nalioth> geeksauce: pardon me, but what are you trying?
[08:28] <damone> but i think i messed up
[08:28] <Madpilot> brownie17: hmmm, I've used one and built a 2nd one, and they just worked - see wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser for a sample .desktop file...
[08:28] <brownie17> laserline: Gmail kicks hotmails behind any day
[08:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: sudo apt-get build-dep rhythmbox
[08:28] <brownie17> madpilot: i have done others that worked fine, but this one won't
[08:28] <LaserLine> brownie17 I know, but I don't find that option I asked about.......
[08:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: I think you can probably use /usr/local
[08:29] <damone> anyway
[08:29] <geeksauce> Nalioth: ./configure --enable-ipod
[08:29] <Madpilot> brownie17: pastebin it, somebody can probably pick it apart
[08:29] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[08:29] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:29] <damone> how i can make a fat32 partition on ubuntu??
[08:29] <Nalioth> geeksauce: do what apokryphos said about build-dep
[08:29] <carthik> !fat32
[08:29] <ubotu> somebody said fat32 was http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[08:29] <Nalioth> geeksauce: then try it again
[08:29] <Nalioth> damone: use qtparted
[08:30] <Nalioth> carthik: no, that's for mounting an existing fat32 partition
[08:30] <carthik> damone, it is one of the options you can choose when you create the partitions.. man mkfs for details
[08:30] <carthik> Nalioth, yeah, i just wanted to know what !fat32 would pull up
[08:30] <Nalioth> carthik: you can /msg the bot and keep channel flotsam down
[08:31] <brownie17> laserline: it is still in BETA testing stages, maybe when the official release comes out it will be more customisable
[08:31] <geeksauce> apokryphos: thanks, i'm giving that a shot now
[08:31] <brownie17> madpilot: ok
[08:31] <damone> thanx
[08:31] <carthik> Nalioth, thanks
[08:33] <damone> is there any introduction on how to use apt-get???
[08:33] <damone> im such a n00b to linux
[08:33] <damone> lol
[08:33] <NoUse> damone use synaptic
[08:33] <dabaR> oooh...I borked my X, I installed fluxbox, and now gdm restarts all the time when I get to it, like, just keeps flashing...
[08:33] <geneo93> man apt-get
[08:33] <Nalioth> damone: synaptic is the easiest way
[08:33] <Madpilot> !tell damone about synaptic
[08:34] <apokryphos> damone: check the wiki
[08:34] <damone> thanx
[08:35] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:35] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i'm still getting the same errors
[08:35] <konra`> hey, anyone know how to let windows computers access your CUPS printer through samba?
[08:35] <apokryphos> geeksauce: did you do both of those things? Can you pastebin the full output?
[08:35] <Nalioth> geeksauce: what errors are those?
[08:35] <_mindspin> ok the symlink didn#t work /no connection" i guess I#ll have to call it alittle later....
[08:35] <apokryphos> geeksauce: s/output/error output
[08:36] !lilo:*! Earthlink has set up a database site to help connect Hurricane Katrina victims with friends and relatives.... http://hurricane.earthlink.net/ .... please pass that around to anyone who might need to know
[08:36] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:36] <Madpilot> konra`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba - seems to have at least most of the info you need
[08:37] <brownie17> '
[08:37] <apokryphos> geeksauce: do you have a proper pkgconfig directory? Did you make sure you specified it exact on the export?
[08:37] <brownie17> '
[08:37] <Nalioth> !tell brownie17 about smeg
[08:37] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: read what the bot send you
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: let the tool do the work
[08:37] <brownie17> nalioth: I cannot install smeg from synpatic due to an error that no-one seems to know how to resolve
[08:37] <apokryphos> brownie17: and don't needlessly repeat :P
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: not from repos, use the "installsmeg" script
[08:38] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i just copied and pasted from the line you supplied
[08:38] <brownie17> apokryphos: sorry
[08:38] <brownie17> nalioth: installsmeg script?
[08:38] <brownie17> sudo apt-get installsmeg?
[08:38] <apokryphos> geeksauce: don't; check that it exists
[08:38] <Nalioth> brownie17: read what ubotu sent you, go to the URL and get the script
[08:38] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hold on a sec
[08:39] <apokryphos> geeksauce: should be /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[08:39] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yep, it exists
[08:40] <brownie17> nalioth: i have the script, how do i use it?
[08:40] <apokryphos> geeksauce: make sure you export the variable properly, then.
[08:40] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how do i do that?
[08:40] <apokryphos> geeksauce: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig/
[08:40] <djur> I get this error when trying to remove a package I installed using apt-get:  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:40] <pundai> hi
[08:40] <djur> Does anyone know what could be using that?
[08:41] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah i did that already
[08:41] <pundai> i cant get my wireless set up with ubuntu
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: and in the same terminal re-run the configure..making sure you specify the prefix. If you get errors, pastebin then.
[08:41] <pundai> i think ipv6 is enabled
[08:41] <NoUse> brownie17 give the file executable permssions and then run it
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: do that *exact* export.
[08:41] <Nalioth> djur: close all instances of apt or dpkg you have running
[08:41] <brownie17> nouse: ok, if i can
[08:41] <CaiN_SA> djur, you need to use root :)
[08:41] <NoUse> djur you have another instance of apt or synatpic running
[08:41] <Nalioth> djur: or use sudo when you issue the command
[08:41] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how do i specify the prefix?
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: erm, you didn't specify it before? :)
[08:41] <dreamie> pundai is sean connery
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[08:41] <omp342> does anyone know an estimate of when breezy is coming out?
[08:42] <pundai> dreamie i am
[08:42] <NoUse> omp342 october 15
[08:42] <CaiN_SA> omp342, i would also like to know
[08:42] <geneo93> oct
[08:42] <dreamie> how old are you sean connery?
[08:42] !lilo:*! <dangle> hey mate, just wondering if you wouldn't mind spamming the red cross Katrina collection as well? <dangle> https://secure2.convio.net/arc/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=1161
[08:42] <omp342> NoUse: thanks :)
[08:42] <pundai> dreamie i forget
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> "when its done" :P
[08:42] <pundai> but i still get chicks
[08:42] <omp342> i'll probably switch from gentoo to ubuntu when breezy comes out
[08:42] <Nalioth> apokryphos: is --prefix=/usr/local necessary? most source defaults to that
[08:42] <dreamie> haha pundai
[08:42] <djur> I used sudo when I issued the command
[08:42] <pundai> but seriously
[08:42] <djur> I forget how to list open processes...
[08:42] <dreamie> is everyone getting a message from lilo?
[08:42] <pundai> how the hell do i set up my wifi
[08:42] <djur> what was it again?
[08:42] <dreamie> !lilo:*!?
[08:42] <ERMAC> Ubuntu.com lets you order their cd in bundles, exactly how many will they allow you to order. I work for a college, and passing this out would be a great idea.
[08:42] <pundai> and ensure ipv6 is disabled
[08:43] <hermit> everyone always gets messages from lilo
[08:43] <apokryphos> Nalioth: by default you should specify the prefix, when compiling programs, yes.
[08:43] <Madpilot> djur: top?
[08:43] <geneo93> not i
[08:43] <brownie17> nalioth: you are a genius
[08:43] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it says to add --enable-ipod   do i put that before or after the prefix?
[08:43] <apokryphos> geeksauce: either
[08:43] <CaiN_SA> ERMAC, prolly as much as you want, just say somewhere i want TONS for giving away at college
[08:43] <NoUse> djur I would do 'ps aux | grep dpkg' or 'ps aux | grep apt'
[08:43] <LaserLine> brownie17 so I guess there is no way of changing this Gmail behaviour ?
[08:43] <CaiN_SA> then they wont have a problem
[08:44] <apokryphos> djur: did you close a terminal while apt/dpkg was running?
[08:44] <djur> okay how do I exit top?
[08:44] <NoUse> djur q
[08:44] <brownie17> laserline: not that i know of
[08:44] <ERMAC> how long as this distro been out? I mean heck, I never heard of it before, until about 3 weeks ago
[08:44] <djur> my live environment kinda crashed so I have only one terminal left :(
[08:45] <carthik> ERMAC 2004 october
[08:45] <Burgundavia> ERMAC, we are nearing our 3rd 6-month release
[08:45] <brownie17> nalioth: when i go to run smeg, it has that "starting SMEG" in the panel, but then it just never opens
[08:45] <pundai> ok so any ideas how to trouble shoot the stupid wifi
[08:45] <pundai> and make sure ipv6 is not on
[08:45] <Nalioth> brownie17: hmmm
[08:45] <pundai> my router doesnt support it
[08:45] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  tried it again, this time with prefix, but same story
[08:45] <ERMAC> damn, nice stuff done to it.  Maybe this will wake Microsuck up, and get them to actual care about their users, instead of their wallets.
[08:45] <Kleggas> is there any terminal applikation similiar to firestarter?
[08:46] <NoUse> !wifi
[08:46] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:46] <apokryphos> geeksauce: then please pastebin the output
[08:46] <pef> morning
[08:46] <aftertaf> morning ;)
[08:46] <Nalioth> Kleggas: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[08:46] <carthik> pef: depends on where you are from, really
[08:46] <pundai> ubotu ok this room is very noisy so i didnt see it thanks
[08:46] <ubotu> pundai: okay
[08:46] <aftertaf> ERMAC:  :)
[08:46] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  how do i pastebin?
[08:46] <bob2> ERMAC: ubuntu began in april or so 2004
[08:46] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell geeksauce about pastebin
[08:46] <pundai> err im talking to a bot
[08:47] <geeksauce> apokryphos: and last time i  got told not to paste in here...should i pm you?
[08:47] <pef> carthik: difficult to ask to all people here ;)
[08:47] <ERMAC> Who created this distro anyway?
[08:47] <brownie17> !tell geeksauce about pastebin
[08:47] <Myrtti> !pastebin
[08:47] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> space aliens.
[08:47] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you shouldn't paste in here, you should use a pastebin service. Ubotu just /msg you one
[08:47] <aftertaf> pundai:  lol, you find it happens a lot!!
[08:47] <carthik> ERMAC, http://www.ubuntu.com/
[08:47] <NoUse> pundai you just taught the bot something
[08:47] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hang on a sec
[08:47] <brownie17> nalioth: no ideas?
[08:47] <NoUse> !tell pundai about ok this room
[08:47] <apokryphos> ERMAC: Mark Shuttleworth
[08:48] <pundai> NoUse haha
[08:48] <NoUse> ubotu forget ok this room
[08:48] <ubotu> NoUse: i forgot ok this room
[08:48] <Nalioth> brownie17: none at all
[08:48] <NoUse> !tell pundai about wifi
[08:48] <robhu> sf/quit
[08:48] <brownie17> nalioth: i'll ask someone else
[08:49] <bob2> ask amaranth
[08:49] <bob2> he wrote it
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: i installed smeg through the install script from their website, then when i went to open it, it showed the "starting smeg" bar in the panel, but it never opened smeg
[08:50] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1812
[08:50] <rob^> brownie17, why did you do that?
[08:51] <geeksauce> brb
[08:51] <brownie17> rob^, do what? use the install script? becasue i got an error when i tried to use synaptic, no-one knew how to fix
[08:51] <apokryphos> geeksauce: that's the end of the error message? Can you clarify that hal.pc is in /usr/lib/pkgconfig?
[08:51] <rob^> what was the error?
[08:52] <brownie17> rob^, someything about pythonxdg being 0.9< instead of 0.1-4 or something
[08:53] <brownie17> rob^ i can probably find the error again if you think you might be able to fix it
[08:53] <Nalioth> geeksauce: install "gnome-devel"
[08:53] <brownie17> rob^ in synaptic it says that my smeg package is broken
[08:54] <Determinist> how do i close a window in irssi?
[08:54] <Determinist> this client can drive me mad sometimes
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> - /window close
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> i think
[08:54] <rob^> brownie17, have you added any repos to your sources.list?
[08:54] <geeksauce> apokryphos: aha! hal.pc isn't in there
[08:54] <Nalioth> Determinist: channel or pm?
[08:54] <bob2> it's always /window close
[08:54] <brownie17> rob^ this is error: "  Depends: python-xdg (>=0.14) but 0.9-1 is to be installed"
[08:54] <Determinist> guess i just found out
[08:54] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, one sec.
[08:54] <bob2> brownie17: yay backports
[08:55] <Nalioth> Determinist: channels, you /part and PMs you /wc (window close)
[08:55] <rob^> bob2, thats what I was getting at..
[08:55] <brownie17> rob^, i think i have added them alll. i don't know, people are alwasy telling me to do that, and i think i have
[08:55] <apokryphos> geeksauce: install libhal-dev
[08:55] <Determinist> Nalioth: thanks, just figured that out
[08:55] <brownie17> bob2: what is backports?
[08:55] <bob2> brownie17: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <rob^> !backports
[08:55] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:55] <rob^> hmm
[08:55] <brownie17> rob^: how can i tell you if i have installed repositories
[08:55] <bob2> QA is something that happens to other people, it seems
[08:55] <carthik> brownie17, by looking at the source.list files?
[08:55] <alienacion> hi all
[08:56] <alienacion> can you help me???
[08:56] <carthik> no one will help alienacion - shhh!
[08:56] <Determinist> would it be very wrong for me to grab a big heavy metallic object and beat to death the buncha construction workers giving me a headache from the floor upstairs???
[08:56] <aftertaf> or looking in synaptic (same thing)
[08:56] <aftertaf> alienacion:  what is your current woe?? :)
[08:56] <alienacion> i can't understand why cin and cout don't work
[08:56] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  "install- too few arguements"
[08:56] <carthik> alienacion, welcome, i was kidding... whats it about>?
[08:56] <brownie17> rob^: bob2: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1813
[08:56] <bob2> alienacion: you need to ask a question first...
[08:56] <LaserLine> Guys, What do you think about WinFS ? to what linux FS it resembles the most ?
[08:56] <hermit> time for stupid newbie question. I'm new to debian style systems. I just installed ubuntu and setup my apt sources and did some updating already. I want to upgrade firefox but when I do 'sudo apt-get upgrade firefox' i get: The following packages have been kept back:
[08:56] <hermit>   mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[08:56] <hermit> I get no explanation WHY they were kept back.
[08:56] <hermit> Can someone explain that to me?
[08:56] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  LOOOL urban myth!!
[08:57] <bob2> winfs appears to be a complete waste of time
[08:57] <alienacion> i'm including iostream
[08:57] <apokryphos> geeksauce: use synaptic
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: read the apt-get manpage
[08:57] <alienacion> in my c++ file
[08:57] <carthik> alienacion, apt-get install build-essentials perhaps?
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: 'sudo apt-get upgrade blah' doesn't mean anything
[08:57] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hang on
[08:57] <alienacion> yes carthik
[08:57] <LaserLine> aftertaf, What do you mean ?
[08:57] <hermit> the apt-get man page has not one occurence of the word 'kept'
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: 'sudo apt-get upgrade' is what you're actually running
[08:57] <rob^> brownie17, remove the last line
[08:57] <bob2> hermit: and you didn't read the bit where it explains what upgrade and dist-upgrade mean
[08:57] <hermit> oh
[08:58] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  WinFS :)   sort of like "IE7 will be fully compliant" ;)
[08:58] <brownie17> rob^: do you want me to comment (#) it?
[08:58] <rob^> yes
[08:58] <carthik> alienacion, if you have installed it, then cross-check with some downloaded source - easiest way out...
[08:58] <bob2> brownie17: how do you not know the word "backport" when you've manually put it in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:58] <rob^> brownie17, then do: sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <rob^> brownie17, then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <geeksauce> apokryphos: done
[08:58] <carthik> alienacion, in other words, get a simple C++ source from the web, and try compiling it,a nd using it...
[08:58] <NoUse> LaserLine taking into account how stable windows is and how fast MS SQL server is, the closest resemblance would probably be a hamster in a broken wheel
[08:58] <apokryphos> geeksauce: now, re-do configure
[08:58] <brownie17> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:58] <brownie17> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:59] <LaserLine> LOL !!!
[08:59] <aftertaf> loool NoUse :)
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: yes, you have apt or dpkg running somewhere else...
[08:59] <LaserLine> NoUse, ROFLTMAO\
[08:59] <brownie17> bob2: i got that sources thing off the internet, somone told me to download it
[08:59] <brownie17> bob@, how do i killall that process?
[08:59] <alienacion> carthik, my prog simply print hello-world on stdout
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: then don't do things you don't understand just because someone tells you to
[08:59] <bob2> brownie17: you don't killall anything
[08:59] <aftertaf> brownie17:  close synaptic...
[09:00] <brownie17> aftertef: ok
[09:00] <bob2> brownie17: you go and find it and close it properly
[09:00] <LaserLine> Windwos Asta-La-VISTA is kinda taking some *nix capabilities (terminal, permessions etc..)
[09:00] <hermit> So what's the name of the tool I should be using to just upgrade a single package (and any deps it may require updated)?
[09:00] <carthik> alienacion, you are obviously doing soething wrong so get a similar program source from the web and try it out - if it works - compare sources...
[09:00] <NoUse> LaserLine they cancelled the terminal
[09:00] <bob2> hermit: sudo apt-get install blah
[09:00] <aftertaf> !tell hermit about apt
[09:00] <LaserLine> NoUse Cancelled ?
[09:00] <brownie17> E: Malformed line 33 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[09:00] <brownie17> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:00] <alienacion> don't work
[09:00] <bob2> brownie17: so, show us line 33
[09:00] <alienacion> i can't compile nothing
[09:00] <NoUse> LaserLine there were already 3 viruses/exploits for it
[09:00] <brownie17> bob2: count!?
[09:00] <aftertaf> LaserLine:  asta la vista??? you mean LongWait?
[09:00] <carthik> alienacion, you cant compile is differnt from cout not working
[09:01] <bob2> brownie17: or use a non-shit text editor, which should show you that line with one command
[09:01] <apokryphos> brownie17: enable line-count in your editor
[09:01] <LaserLine> NoUse I read that, but cannelled ? stupid microsoft...
[09:01] <bob2> brownie17: e.g. vim /etc/apt/sources.list, 33g
[09:01] <alienacion> i can't compile beacuse cout undeclared
[09:01] <ERMAC> Dudes, this is great, a great distro, and a hot babe to advertise ubuntu as well: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[09:01] <carthik> alienacion, if you cant compile, you dont have the tools, fire up synaptic, search and install the pckages you need for ompiling whatever code it is...
[09:01] <LaserLine> aftertaf it's kind of Ironic that they call it vista.... "asta la vista, baby"
[09:01] <bob2> alienacion: your C++ code is broken
[09:01] <bob2> alienacion: go get a modern C++ book
[09:02] <brownie17> bob2: did what you said, it came up with just alot of blank space
[09:02] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1814
[09:02] <cafuego> or use C
[09:02] <bob2> alienacion: cout doesn't exist in modern C++; use "std::cout" or add a "using namespace std;" to the top of your source
[09:02] <bob2> brownie17: anyway, find line 33 however you know how
[09:02] <LaserLine> PPL, Wish me luck with ReiserFS.... Finished installing Ubuntu for the second time in 15 hours.
[09:03] <brownie17> bob2: found the line!
[09:03] <bob2> I wouldn't be using reiserfs if you're going to say things like that
[09:03] <carthik> alienacion, all would have been easier had you tried what i said - search - download - try to compile...
[09:03] <apokryphos> geeksauce: something's buggy with that pastebin. Hm.
[09:03] <apokryphos> geeksauce: anyhow, if you say you have exported the variable then I'm not sure what's going on... I just configured it here and it's fine.
[09:03] <cafuego> bob2: He claims ext3 has died a few times and reiser is better now.
[09:03] <bob2> haha
[09:03] <Carpe_Libertatem> Are there any podcast managers available for Ubuntu?
[09:03] <Nalioth> apokryphos: gnome-devel didnt help?
[09:03] <brownie17> bob2: line33: deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/
[09:03] <alienacion> ok now it work
[09:03] <bob2> everytime I hear "podcast", I twitch
[09:04] <bob2> brownie17: so delete it
[09:04] <alienacion> thanks to all very much
[09:04] <cafuego> bob2: you just jealous
[09:04] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2: Good for you. :-P
[09:04] <brownie17> bob2: comment (#) it?
[09:04] <apokryphos> Nalioth: I take it he installed it... so apparently not.
[09:04] <bob2> brownie17: or delete it entirel
[09:04] <cafuego> podcast!
[09:04] <ERMAC> Guys: what are some ways to "edit" ubuntu? Like the coding, etc.
[09:04] <bob2> ERMAC: you need to be a lot more specific
[09:04] <Nalioth> ERMAC: with a fine text editor
[09:04] <bob2> cafuego: I wish I'd thought of putting audio files on the intarweb first
[09:04] <bob2> then I could be famous like a blogger
[09:05] <carthik> Carpe_Libertatem, so what does a podcast manage do - manage mp3s on your hdd?
[09:05] <apokryphos> geeksauce: can you also verify that you have libdbus-glib-1-1-dev?
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: only if you'd done it using PUSH technology
[09:05] <brownie17> bob2: did sudo apt-get upgrade and it is now saying "reading package lists"
[09:05] <apokryphos> geeksauce: can you also verify that you have libdbus-glib-1-dev
[09:05] <bob2> cafuego: and CHANNELS
[09:05] <bob2> brownie17: ok
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: The big Leblogski is neet, though.
[09:05] <brownie17> bob2: done, with no errors, now try synaptic for SMEG?
[09:05] <geeksauce> apokryphos: hold
[09:05] <ERMAC> say I just wanna edit some of the stuff in ubuntu, I like to disect programs, kinda like for windows progs, I use Resource Hacker, etc. I like the just edit stuff, wording, etc, and just tweak with code, how would I do that in ubuntu
[09:05] <cafuego> bob2: http://www.jeffbridges.com/latestjul.html
[09:05] <bob2> brownie17: ok
[09:05] <NoUse> Carpe_Libertatem I user Ipodder
[09:06] <aftertaf> vista, longwait, now Blackcomb....
[09:06] <brownie17> bob2: still got exactly the same error
[09:06] <bob2> ERMAC: er, this is a real OS. you just download the actual source of the program.
[09:06] <aftertaf> When will they release Windows Desertstorm?
[09:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> That's not in any of the repos.
[09:06] <NoUse> Carpe_Libertatem there aren't any managers in the repos
[09:06] <Nalioth> ERMAC: and look at it with a text editor of your choice
[09:06] <ERMAC> now say I edit something, how do I make it take affect in ubuntu?
[09:06] <geeksauce> apokryphos: nothing found under libdbus-glib-1-dev in synaptic
[09:06] <apokryphos> ERMAC: save!
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: you've never programmed before, have you?
[09:07] <Nalioth> NoUse: Carpe_Libertatem: gtkpod + rhythmbox
[09:07] <ERMAC> yes, but does ubuntu need compiled afterwards, or are things different
[09:07] <ERMAC> every language / OS has it's own thing.
[09:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> RB has podcast support?
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: no, I mean programmed
[09:07] <brownie17> bob2: what do i do? that didn't fix anything
[09:07] <NoUse> Nalioth but that doesn't aggrigate my podcast feeds
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: things in ubuntu are written in dozens of languages
[09:07] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ah, doesn't seem to exist in hoary. Hm.
[09:07] <bob2> ERMAC: some are compiled, some are interpreted
[09:07] <bob2> brownie17: I don't even know what your original problem was
[09:08] <bob2> cafuego: that's the most obnoxious page I've seen all week
[09:08] <brownie17> bob2: smeg wouldnt install through synaptic, got an error
[09:08] <cafuego> bob2: Oh come on, it's funny :-P
[09:08] <ERMAC> depends, I know C++, C, VB (not really a REAL language), python, and languages like that.
[09:08] <bob2> indeed
[09:08] <brownie17> rob^: that thing in the sources didnt fix anything, it still gives me the same error
[09:08] <bob2> ERMAC: there you go, you've answered your own question
[09:08] <bob2> brownie17: ignore synaptic then
[09:08] <rob^> brownie17, did you fix your sources.list?
[09:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how can i check to make sure i have exported the variable properly?
[09:09] <bob2> oh, I should check if agile is at my exchange yet
[09:09] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo it
[09:09] <brownie17> rob^: yes, and now that apt-get thing works fine, but synpatic still wont install smeg, which was the orgional problem
[09:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how?
[09:09] <rob^> brownie17, do: sudo apt-get remove smeg
[09:09] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:09] <rob^> then install it again
[09:09] <brownie17> bob2: what do you mean ignore it? the only other way of installing smeg is do use script, and that didnt work either
[09:10] <brownie17> rob^ i allready used synaptic to remove it
[09:10] <bob2> someone needs to make a "backports" person unfuck that whole thing
[09:10] <bob2> I tried and failed to beat sense into them
[09:10] <rob^> yep
[09:10] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  what goes after PKG_CONFIG_PATH  ?
[09:10] <rob^> they are an official project now
[09:10] <rob^> they should be
[09:10] <LaserLine> If I have a P3-600, Should I install the Ubuntu 686 Kernel ?
[09:10] <brownie17> rob^ so should synpatic install smeg fine now?
[09:10] <cafuego> geeksauce: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:11] <apokryphos> geeksauce: just echo it; the output is what you exported the variable as.
[09:11] <rob^> probably
[09:11] <robert1123> hello all. I am trying to install apache and I need to add my universial repository but how do I do this by command line?
[09:11] <brownie17> rob^ it didnt
[09:11] <cafuego> geeksauce: apokryphos forgou the '$'
[09:11] <apokryphos> geh
[09:11] <bob2> official in name
[09:11] <cafuego> robert1123: 'apache2' is in main, afaik.
[09:11] <rob^> yeah ;P
[09:11] <apokryphos> geeksauce: echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[09:11] <bob2> they still appear to be in their own little world
[09:11] <cafuego> LaserLine: Yes, btw.
[09:11] <brownie17> rob^ you got no more ideas on whats wrong? i found a guide on what was wrong, but that was more fucked up and than this error
[09:12] <rob^> brownie17, just remove it, wait a month for breezy which has it installed by default
[09:12] <LaserLine> cafuego I need to install the headers too, ot just the linux-686 package ?
[09:12] <brownie17> rob^ what is breezy?,
[09:12] <apokryphos> bob2: which backports? The forum or the a.u.c one?
[09:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell brownie17 about breezy
[09:12] <rob^> next release of Ubuntu
[09:12] <cafuego> LaserLine: No need for headers unless you're custom compiling stuff.
[09:12] <ERMAC> if you lock ur desktop in live mode, whats the password to unlock?
[09:12] <geeksauce> apokryphos: says "/usr/lib/pgkconfig/
[09:12] <geeksauce> " , so i guess i exported properly
[09:12] <robert1123> cafuego: thanks. but how do I add my universial repository from command line? they only tell you how to do it from gui on the ubuntu site.
[09:12] <bob2> apokryphos: both
[09:13] <bob2> randomly backporting things with no testing is a terrible path
[09:13] <cafuego> robert1123: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, add universe to the end on the line that starts with 'deb'
[09:13] <apokryphos> geeksauce: it's p*kg*config
[09:13] <robert1123> thanks
[09:13] <LaserLine> cafuego... Ok Thanks, BTW - another question, When I mark all upgrades in Synaptic, what to choose "smart" or default ? I usually choose "smart"
[09:13] <apokryphos> sure. Firefox problems again I heard the other day from backports. :/
[09:13] <geeksauce> apokryphos: huh?
[09:14] <cafuego> LaserLine: smart is fine
[09:14] <LaserLine> cafuego thanks.
[09:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: close that terminal. Open a new one, and do *exactly* this:   export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig/
[09:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: then cd into the appropriate directory and run the configure
[09:15] <cafuego> whoops libc6 update
[09:15] <Nalioth> brb
[09:17] <geeksauce> apokryphos: what was the prefix?
[09:17] <apokryphos> geeksauce: /usr/local
[09:18] <apokryphos> geeksauce: though you could still get errors; the app requests other things of higher version
[09:19] <geeksauce> apokryphos: so it should be like ./configure -usr/local --enable-ipod
[09:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: no :).  ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-ipod
[09:24] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah, like you said, still dependency errors.  where do i go from here?
[09:26] <Nalioth> geeksauce: squash the dependency errors
[09:27] <dazvid> Hello people
[09:27] <dazvid> :)
[09:27] <Xanthus7> Ok I have sane installed but how do I use it
[09:28] <Xanthus7> what program do I use to scan something with
[09:28] <tritium> hi apokryphos
[09:28] <IceDC571> oh thats why the channel was so dead.. i was in #ubuntu-unregged
[09:28] <dazvid> Yeh, I had the same problem last night
[09:28] <dazvid> lol
[09:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you don't really wanna get into dependency hell...
[09:29] <apokryphos> tritium: hola!
[09:29] <dazvid> Can someone please help me grub setup?
[09:29] <bob2> you need to ask a question...
[09:29] <IceDC571> does anyone use ext2 in windows? im wondering how it is because i have an external hd that is ext2 and i want to use it with my ubuntu and windows computers
[09:29] <ColonelKernel> whats up
[09:29] <geeksauce> apokryphos: lol, no but i reallly want my ipod to work in linux
[09:29] <carthik> Xanthus7, you should have a scanner with the drivers setup
[09:29] <apokryphos> geeksauce: isn't there gtkpod or something for gnome?
[09:29] <apokryphos> geeksauce: my amaroK does the business just fine though...
[09:29] <IceDC571> apokryphos, yep.. gtkpod exactly
[09:29] <bob2> IceDC571: you can mount it readonly
[09:29] <ColonelKernel> geeksauce, hell, they have linux for ps2 and dreamcast, why the hell not
[09:30] <geeksauce> hahaha
[09:30] <Xanthus7> I have a visoneer 5800 but it has not linux stuff with it check web site all windows programs
[09:30] <IceDC571> bob2, well i just did a quick read on the new IFS (installable file system) for windows and now you can read and write in windows.. which seems a little messy for me
[09:30] <bob2> I don't know what that means
[09:30] <geeksauce> apokryphos so you're saying amarok works with ipod?
[09:30] <bob2> but I would not trust windows to write to a linux filesystem
[09:30] <bob2> ever
[09:31] <ColonelKernel> bob2, i dont even think thats possible
[09:31] <apokryphos> geeksauce: quite perfectly, yes. Not sure if the version in the repos does... iPod support was added in 1.3
[09:31] <IceDC571> problem is.. windows is stupid and doesnt know what to do with FAT partitions over 36gb
[09:31] <ERMAC> how do you get all this info on your desktop? http://hungsquirrel.org/images/ubuntu.png
[09:31] <IceDC571> so it just pretends there is no hd at all
[09:31] <Nalioth> ColonelKernel: ext2fs makes it possible
[09:31] <geeksauce> apokryphos: heh, will i have to get into dependency hell if i attempt to install 1.3? :)
[09:31] <ColonelKernel> Nalioth, that use to be read only
[09:31] <bob2> you generally don't bother about that "info
[09:31] <apokryphos> geeksauce: all the stuff you will need should be in the repositories, apart from taglib
[09:31] <bob2> since it's useless and comparing ram size is something you stop doing when you hit 14
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> ok thats some NICE art for desktop
[09:32] <Nalioth> apokryphos: taglib isnt in the repos?
[09:32] <geeksauce> apokryphos: aight cool
[09:32] <apokryphos> Nalioth: the one required for 1.3 is not, no.
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> i dig the transparent terminal window
[09:32] <Nalioth> ah
[09:32] <apokryphos> geeksauce: there's debs on the forum for both of those, though
[09:32] <No1Viking> How do I set Joliet filenames when I burn a DVD?
[09:32] <IceDC571> i found this http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[09:32] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell geeksauce about amarok1.3
[09:32] <ColonelKernel> No1Viking, select it in your burning program
[09:32] <bob2> No1Viking: man mkisofs, hint: -J
[09:33] <IceDC571> but im like.. writing with windows is now possible? what about the whole chmod deal? damn..
[09:33] <ColonelKernel> IceDC571, thats what im wondering
[09:33] <No1Viking> OK, so what burning program have the joliet option?
[09:33] <IceDC571> on the website it says nothing about permissions on ext2
[09:34] <No1Viking> With a GUI fo course
[09:34] <IceDC571> No1Viking, nerolinux.. heh
[09:34] <ColonelKernel> Ext2fsd, An ext2 filesystem driver for Windows NT/2K/XP. The most recent version has read-write support
[09:34] <ColonelKernel> thats insane
[09:35] <ColonelKernel> if that really works right that means no more vfat share partition
[09:35] <apokryphos> ERMAC: I think that's gkrellm or whatever it is. For good screenshots get a theme manager, like superkaramba.
[09:35] <IceDC571> but how is it all of a sudden now write support? wouldnt it take a while to make it stable?
[09:35] <Xanthus7> I have a visoneer 5800 but it has not linux stuff with it check web site all windows programs
[09:36] <ColonelKernel> as long as im not gaming linux has it all over windows
[09:36] <bob2> IceDC571: not if they just slop the linux ext2 driver into the windows kernel
[09:36] <IceDC571> ohh i see.. so its like emulation of the real thing
[09:36] <ERMAC> i just want like the info on the sides, etc, so I can keep track of stuff
[09:37] <IceDC571> i can see it now, permission errors everywhere in windows
[09:37] <ColonelKernel> bob2, what if they oh so carefully patch it in there gently and seal it up with flowers and goodness?
[09:37] <bob2> doing that would violate the ext2 license, tho
[09:37] <ColonelKernel> :(
[09:38] <lewwy> hi guys
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> slop it is
[09:38] <IceDC571> hmm.. whenever i do cp -rvf * /foo it always hangs on some random file and freezes the copying process
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> which pretty much fits microsoft anyhow
[09:38] <IceDC571> its done this on my other computer too
[09:38] <DewDude> keep ext2 on linux...were it belongs
[09:38] <DewDude> where
[09:38] <lewwy> if i were to download Ubuntu Linux v5.10 Colony 3 for AMD64 ISO would this be like, stable?
[09:38] <ColonelKernel> its too bad theres no counter-strike 2 using the doom3 gameshell
[09:39] <IceDC571> i'm trying to copy all my music to my external hard drive but it keeps freezing after it transfers some amount of files
[09:39] <lewwy> better question, is Ubuntu Linux v5.10 Colony 3 for AMD64 ISO a stable release
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> that kinda hurts my feelings, the last one used the quake2 gameshell
[09:39] <DewDude> i just network drives if they're in a different fs  *coughmusicdriveisntfscough*
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> what the hell
[09:39] <ColonelKernel> 5.10
[09:39] <apokryphos> lewwy: you're better off upgrading to something more late; development changes radically
[09:39] <IceDC571> the latest daily is nice
[09:39] <IceDC571> try it
[09:40] <lewwy> uhh ok apokryphos, could you recommend something for my new amd64 sys ima get?
[09:40] <apokryphos> lewwy: breezy's stability is on-and-off, but it really is getting more stable (noticeably).
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: you around?
[09:40] <bob2> lewwy: do yo ucare about binary-only software?
[09:40] <bob2> Determinist: briefly
[09:40] <lewwy> what is binary-only software?
[09:40] <IceDC571> lewwy, remember if it hangs on the post-install, you'll have to switch terminals and comment out all sources but cdrom and reboot
[09:40] <apokryphos> lewwy: not compiling everything
[09:40] <bob2> lewwy: windows dlls, windows programs, flash, acrobat...
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: a question... more a theoretical one tho, since i cant really configure that kind of thing right now
[09:40] <bob2> ubuntu unstable has tended to be more broken than sid, sadly
[09:40] <Determinist> bob2: got 2 computers, 1 with 2 NICs. NIC1 = cable modem
[09:41] <bob2> I used sid for 4 years, and now I'm still running hoary
[09:41] <IceDC571> anyone have an idea why copying to an external hard drive always freezes for me?
[09:41] <lewwy> hmmm, i wouldnt mind compiling everything from source, if i didnt have so many freaking problems with it
[09:41] <Determinist> bob2: NIC2 = crossed cable to computer #2.
[09:41] <Determinist> bob2: how would one be able to make computer #2 access the net through #1?
[09:41] <ColonelKernel> bob2, yes, your help in debian was much appreciated, and it is good to see you in here now.
[09:41] <bob2> lewwy: that's not what I was talking about
[09:41] <lewwy> bob2, ok
[09:41] <DewDude> Determinist, what OS is computer 1?
[09:41] <bob2> lewwy: do you care about things like flash, or acrobat or windows programs?
[09:42] <Determinist> DewDude: both ubuntu hoary
[09:42] <bob2> Determinist: sure
[09:42] <DewDude> oh
[09:42] <DewDude> no idea
[09:42] <lewwy> bob2, uhhh, not really i suppose
[09:42] <geeksauce> apokryphos: ahhhh http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1816
[09:42] <bob2> lewwy: then I'd go with hoary amd64
[09:42] <DewDude> right now i'm going Windows XP wireless -> switch -> iMac
[09:42] <lewwy> bob2, why, whats the difference in breezy?
[09:42] <IceDC571> i think i need to fill up my hd with zeros.. is there a program like boot and nuke for linux?
[09:42] <lewwy> *Mac ftl
[09:42] <bob2> lewwy: it's more broken
[09:42] <bob2> IceDC571: it's called dd
[09:42] <lewwy> kk
[09:42] <lewwy> thanks
[09:42] <DewDude> cuz i don't think i can find a USB wireless adapter that'll work in ubuntu
[09:43] <Determinist> bob2: sure... as in yes it can be done. i'll assume one would need to have a bridge set up between NIC1 which is the modem and NIC2 which is the network consisting of 2 computers.
[09:43] <bob2> IceDC571: and is on your livecd
[09:43] <lewwy> :((((
[09:43] <bob2> DewDude: my netgear ma-111 worked well
[09:43] <IceDC571> omg i just typed it in the terminal in my home directory
[09:43] <DewDude> well
[09:43] <bob2> as well as any usb wireless device is going to wor, I guess
[09:43] <DewDude> i have no need for it
[09:43] <bob2> DewDude: no
[09:43] <bob2> er
[09:43] <IceDC571> and it did something.. ouch
[09:43] <lewwy> hey, is it just me bob2, or is kubuntu more broken than ubuntu
[09:43] <bob2> Determinist: no
[09:43] <CaiN_SA> what version of kde is in breezy ?
[09:43] <bob2> I don't know, I've never used kubuntu
[09:43] <lewwy> touche
[09:43] <bob2> CaiN_SA: packages.ubuntu.com/kde
[09:43] <Determinist> bob2: no ... what?
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> erm not kubuntu hey
[09:44] <bob2> IceDC571: dd does nothing by default
[09:44] <apokryphos> geeksauce: that's weird; it's built on a hoary machine so it shouldn't ask for such dependencies... maybe just force ignore depends.
[09:44] <bob2> Determinist: no need for a bridge
[09:44] <DewDude> kubuntu = ubuntu with kde
[09:44] <apokryphos> CaiN_SA: 3.4.2 currently
[09:44] <DewDude> so..it's the same
[09:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> kde = death!
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> in breezy that added kde into the ubuntu stuff
[09:44] <Determinist> bob2: how then? set up NAT?
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> thx
[09:44] <CaiN_SA> apokryphos,
[09:44] <IceDC571> well it sure is doing something
[09:44] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how?
[09:44] <IceDC571> actually i think it just took away my cursor
[09:44] <DewDude> have fun with iptables
[09:44] <DewDude> hehehe
[09:44] <Determinist> lol
[09:44] <LaserLine> After Installing UBUNTU and updateing the system I get the following error... VFS Error EXT3 Filesystem not found on /dev/hda and the Filesystem is NOT clean ( I have a ReiserFS filesystem) - What's going on ??
[09:45] <Determinist> i dont like iptables :/
[09:45] <apokryphos> geeksauce: man dpkg
[09:45] <IceDC571> ack, i hate reading manuals
[09:45] <bob2> Determinist: yes
[09:45] <apokryphos> geeksauce: use the --force-depends option. Make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed first, though.
[09:45] <Determinist> bob2: how would one go about this? any place you suggest I ask such a question?
[09:45] <bob2> LaserLine: "updateing the system"?
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: install ipmasq on the cable modem machine
[09:46] <geeksauce> ah, i didn't think about having to have kde installed
[09:46] <Xanthus7> what is the main difference between kbe desktop and gnome desktop
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: why don't you like iptables?
[09:46] <LaserLine> bob2 Synaptic - Makr all upgrades... chose "smart"
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> when is breezy slated to go stable?
[09:46] <bob2> Xanthus7: one is KDE, one is GNOME
[09:46] <bob2> ColonelKernel: october
[09:46] <apokryphos> geeksauce: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <Determinist> bob2: still havent learned to use it... so i'm not liking it, yet :)
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> man
[09:46] <Xanthus7> ok I understand that but is one better than the other
[09:46] <ColonelKernel> not complaining, this is just so nice its going to hurt to upgrade
[09:46] <bob2> Determinist: you don't need to learn iptables, it's a low-level tool.  ipmasq automates basically your whole plan.
[09:47] <bob2> shorewall is another nice frontend
[09:47] <DewDude> Xanthus7, it's a matter of personal preference
[09:47] <bob2> Xanthus7: no, neiter is better than the other
[09:47] <bob2> ColonelKernel: how come?
[09:47] <Xanthus7> I have never used kde always have used gnoe
[09:47] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: Sometimes one is better for some, and the other better for others.
[09:47] <LaserLine> Any clue ??
[09:47] <bob2> LaserLine: hoary?
[09:47] <Determinist> bob2: i see. ok, thanks. i suppose i'll have a look at the chains ipmasq creates then to see how it was done. i assume ipmasq is some tool used to manipulate iptables rules, correct?
[09:47] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: it's worth trying out both, of course.
[09:47] <bob2> your questio is lacking large amounts of useful detail
[09:48] <LaserLine> bob2 yes, with ubuntu backports enabled.
[09:48] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: There's also fluxbox, openbox, IceWM, enlightenment, nad a bunch of others.
[09:48] <bob2> LaserLine: haha
[09:48] <bob2> LaserLine: ask in the backports forum on www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:48] <bob2> assuming it was actually an error, not a warning
[09:48] <Xanthus7> Thank give me all those choices now in quandry land which one to pick LOL
[09:48] <bob2> Determinist: it does the whole thing for you, yes
[09:48] <Determinist> bob2: thanks.
[09:49] <LaserLine> bob2, "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem ob dev hda1" -- Is that ok ? sience I have a RaiserFS filesystem ?
[09:49] <bob2> I hear firestarter is good if you like clickiness
[09:49] <carthik> Xanthus - i use enlightenment with gnome - worth trying - if i may say so
[09:50] <bob2> have tou filed a bug?
[09:50] <bob2> LaserLine: is it a warning or an error?
[09:50] <Determinist> bob2: firestarter wont set up forwarding rules tho, just Accept and drop rules
[09:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> Xanthus7: What do you like in a display manager? Do you find problems with GNOME?
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bob2: me? im still trying to work out what could be causing it
[09:51] <bob2> Determinist: are you sure?
[09:51] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: the two most popular are KDE and GNOME. The other ones are generally more "lightweight" Desktop Environments, but can also be very nice.
[09:51] <Determinist> bob2: quite, unless i've missed a feature or 10... which i dont think since i've played with it quite a bit
[09:51] <bob2> it has a wizard, I hear
[09:51] <apokryphos> Xanthus7: really, only kde and gnome are *properly* supported by [K] ubuntu
[09:52] <omp342> i'm waiting till breezy comes out to install ubuntu, but i'm having second thoughts about waiting so long.. what do you guys think?
[09:52] <Determinist> bob2: yes, but the wizard has afew defaults which do not seem to play along with my currect setup. either way... this is more of a learning how to do it issue than making it work one.
[09:52] <carthik_ina_car> apokryphos, the others are not desktop environments - just window managers
[09:52] <bob2> Determinist: ok
[09:52] <bob2> Determinist: if you intend to fiddle, shorewall is a far better choice
[09:53] <bob2> I've never succeeded in twiddling ipmasq without breaking it completely
[09:53] <Determinist> bob2: will check into that too. thank you.
[09:53] <bob2> omp342: why would you wait?
[09:53] <aftertaf> omp342:  go hoary dude
[09:54] <aftertaf> then enjoy going breezy when it stables
[09:54] <aftertaf> hoary is coool
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> omp342: and its going to be worth the wait :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i agree aftertaf :) but breezy will be better
[09:54] <aftertaf> if you have a before after scenario, you can appreciate more!!!!!
[09:54] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[09:54] <Xanthus7> carthik where can you download enlightment and does it work on the current version of gnome
[09:55] <bob2> no
[09:55] <omp342> i guess i'll install ubuntu monday =] 
[09:55] <aftertaf> yeah:)
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot
[09:56] <aftertaf> [k] 
[09:56] <aftertaf> woot? where?
[09:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Xanthus7 about enlightenment
[09:56] <aftertaf> who?
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: lol. i thought i was winning against the laptop, but im not :/
[09:57] <LaserLine> bob2 It's the first warning after the Starting Ubuntu line after GRUB.
[09:57] <Xanthus7> I hate this brown desktop them in ubuntu
[09:57] <bob2> Xanthus7: then change it
[09:57] <aftertaf> XandriX:  go kubuntu :)
[09:57] <aftertaf> or change :)
[09:58] <Xanthus7> ok where do I get other themes at
[09:58] <LaserLine> bob2 Any Idea?
[09:58] <bob2> Xanthus7: there are other themes included already
[09:58] <bob2> LaserLine: you didn't really abswer my question
[09:58] <bob2> LaserLine: does it boot fine?
[09:58] <LaserLine> bob2 Yes.
[09:59] <bob2> then ignore it
[09:59] <omp> enlightenment is horrible =o
[09:59] <LaserLine> bob2 Ok...
[09:59] <omp> at least in my opinion
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> enlightnment needs learning
[10:00] <apokryphos> omp: the development version looks pretty flash, but whether it will ever be released you can't help but wonder
[10:01] <scooba_steve> Hey
[10:01] <LaserLine> Does FSCK work with ReiserFS ?
[10:02] <bob2> nope
[10:02] <bob2> yet another reason why reiser is so awesome
[10:02] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i installed kubuntu desktop, then tried ignoring package dependencies on amarok -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1818
[10:02] <LaserLine> bob2, are you being cynical ?
[10:02] <bob2> I'm being sarcastic
[10:03] <hackeron> what would you say is your favorite bittorrent client and why?
[10:03] <bob2> one of the main reasons sane people don't use reiser is because of it's lack of recovery tools
[10:03] <LaserLine> bob2 Ok, so what tools to check and "fix" the RaiserFS ?
[10:03] <mrimbert> reiserfs ate my research
[10:03] <bob2> there aren't any
[10:04] <omp> how do you peopel like kde more than gnome? :/
[10:04] <LaserLine> bob2 so it doesn't scan itself every 30 bootups ?
[10:04] <bob2> and pickign a non-default filesystem if you don't know how to use it seems fairly suboptimal
[10:04] <bob2> correct
[10:04] <LaserLine> bob2 I think the error might have come, because i wrote 'shutdown -rF now' ?
[10:04] <scooba_steve> I'm running the Hoary LiveCD (x86) and whenever I move a window around it has a sort of "ghost" trail effect delay when redrawing the window.. My refresh rate is 85 hz, the highest it will allow me to set it. Does anybody else have this problem with the Live Cd?
[10:05] <bob2> LaserLine: why  would you think that?
[10:06] <LaserLine> bob2 don't know... searching my optionts...
[10:06] <LaserLine> bob2, what is the package reiserfsprogs? it says it has fsck.reiserfs4
[10:06] <bob2> perhaps it randomly corrupted itself
[10:06] <bob2> a) you're not using reiser4
[10:06] <bob2> b) I'm pretty sure that command does nothing
[10:06] <bob2> fsck for reiser3 at least just exits without doing anything
[10:07] <bob2> progreiserfs and reiserfsprogrs contain tools that claim to fix reiser
[10:07] <bob2> but one of them is unmaintained and critically buggy
[10:07] <bob2> I forget which
[10:08] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i installed kubuntu desktop, then tried ignoring package dependencies on amarok -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1818
[10:08] <LaserLine> bob2, on the other hand, when I had EXT3 on (12 hours ago) I recieved a lot of EXT3 errors and Inode blah blah....
[10:08] <bob2> LaserLine: then you almost certainly have physical disk problems
[10:08] <LaserLine> bob2 while haveing installed ubuntu 3 times...
[10:08] <bob2> there you go
[10:08] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, try removing amarok from there and doing just plain taglib
[10:09] <mrimbert> yeah, sounds like physical problems with the disk
[10:09] <bob2> when things continue to fuck up, figure out why
[10:09] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k i'll try hang on
[10:09] <LaserLine> bob2 Is it the drive or the IDA controller ? how can I check what's wrong ?
[10:09] <bob2> no idea
[10:10] <LaserLine> bob2, I get this error after running smartctl from the liveCD on a wiped drive: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1809
[10:10] <mrimbert> LaserLine: failure rates for drives are higher han for controllers
[10:10] <mrimbert> s/han/than
[10:10] <LaserLine> mrimbert I'd be glad if you could take a look on the pastebit for me too.
[10:10] <mrimbert> ok
[10:11] <mrimbert> you tried to wipe a file on reiserfs?
[10:11] <LaserLine> mrimbert what do you mean ?
[10:11] <mrimbert> asking if you installed and used wipe
[10:11] <mrimbert> it's not supposed to be used with journaling filesystems
[10:11] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me what advantages ReiserFS has over ext3 for personal computing daily use?
[10:11] <geeksauce> apokryphos: still havin problems with dependencies-> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1819
[10:11] <LaserLine> mrimbert nope, I wiped with UBCD (killdisk) before installing.
[10:12] <bob2> onkarshinde: none
[10:12] <LaserLine> mrimbert the pastebin was generated with a wiped drive and livecd (installed smartmon on the livecd)
[10:12] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you're not meant to use sudo when you're root, of course, by the way.
[10:12] <mrimbert> ok, LaserLine
[10:13] <geeksauce> apokryphos: ohh ok thanks
[10:13] <apokryphos> geeksauce: though admittedly I have no idea for why it's asking for a higher gcc. Annoying.
[10:13] <LaserLine> mrimbert what do you think ?
[10:14] <mrimbert> LaserLine: can't tell
[10:14] <apokryphos> geeksauce: have you tried gtkpod?
[10:14] <geeksauce> apokryphos: couldd i just install the higher version then?
[10:15] <LaserLine> mrimbert ok, thanks/
[10:15] <geeksauce> apokryphos: nah, haven't tried that
[10:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: if you don't use gtkpod, your only other choice is to compile libtag. Compiling in general is not so fun if you don't know what you're doing
[10:15] <apokryphos> geeksauce: worth trying. It's in the repositories.
[10:17] <IceDC571> wonderful so i copied all my music files to /media/usbdisk and it copied it into a folder called usbdisk on the same hd
[10:17] <IceDC571> i love linux
[10:17] <z|bandito> hello all
[10:17] <IceDC571> hi
[10:18] <mrimbert> IceDC571: you did something wrong
[10:18] <aftertaf> hi z|bandito
[10:18] <z|bandito> i have ubuntu installed on this box, and it seems to be playing sound effects triggered by gnome ok, but when I try and use the CD player or the internet radio it seems to be all garbled.  any ideas?
[10:18] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it says "iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed.
[10:18] <geeksauce> "
[10:19] <IceDC571> yeah its copying to my external hd now
[10:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: not sure how it works, but you probably have to mount your ipod under /mnt/ipod for it to detect it
[10:19] <IceDC571> but pretty soon it will freeze and crash
[10:19] <IceDC571> which i have no idea why linux does that
[10:19] <mrimbert> good night
[10:19] <apokryphos> 'night
[10:20] <IceDC571> it just froze again
[10:20] <IceDC571> now i have to reformat my external hd, recreate the partition and recopy my files until it fails again
[10:21] <omp> IceDC571: =o
[10:23] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it wants it mounted under /media/ipod/   how do i change where it is mounted and under what name?
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> how do I put my computer into standby to ram mody?
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> mode?
[10:25] <apokryphos> geeksauce: it's vfat, no?
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: assuming your laptop is supported
[10:25] <apokryphos> sudo mount /dev/sdaX /media/ipod -t vfat -o umask=000
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> I dont have a laptop its a desktop
[10:25] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ...where sdaX is the respective iPod entry
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: then you almost certainly can't; suspend-to-ram requires hardware support
[10:25] <bob2> ColonelKernel: you should be able to suspend to disk, however
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> it does it in windoze...
[10:26] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah, fat32
[10:26] <bob2> I'd be very surprised if windows really did that
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> it does
[10:26] <bob2> hw do you know?
[10:26] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ok, so do that.
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> all the fans and everything shut off and when I hit enter it comes back to life
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> right back where I was
[10:27] <bob2> that's not neccessarily suspend to ram
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> well it aint to the HD cause it starts back up FAST
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> but no, that doesnt work
[10:27] <bob2> why do you think it suspended at all?
[10:27] <ColonelKernel> it doesnt spn the drive other than to power it up, it doesnt go taking info off the hd or anything
[10:27] <bob2> it could just power down the fans and slow down the CPU
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> because the box is powered down, but the power LED is blinking
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> the hd are off
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> theres no signal to the monitor
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> theres no fans spinning
[10:28] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  if you wiggle the mouse?
[10:28] <IceDC571> bob2, is there any way i could get dd in verbose mode?
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> and of course, I selected "stand by"
[10:28] <dazvid> ColonelKernel, thats windows "hibernate" yeh?
[10:28] <ColonelKernel> no hibernate you hit ctrl at that screen
[10:29] <bob2> IceDC571: to do what?
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> and you have to enable ti in the power management settings
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> anyhow im gonna go do it now
[10:29] <ColonelKernel> see you al tommorrow
[10:29] <dazvid> Righto
[10:29] <IceDC571> bob2, i'm writing zeros on my external hd but i have no idea how long its going to take
[10:29] <IceDC571> all it has is a blinking cursor
[10:30] <mitzkrieg> howdy, anyone around that might be able to help me with totem?
[10:31] <IceDC571> there is no verbose mode on dd.. great..
[10:31] <Luna-Tick> Hello everyone, how do I get the Gnome cpufreq system tray applet to start?
[10:32] <geeksauce> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1823
[10:32] <apokryphos> geeksauce: your ipod is apparently not /dev/sdb
[10:34] <geeksauce> apokryphos: oops, it's sdb2
[10:35] <bob2> Luna-Tick: right click on pane. add applet. enjoy.
[10:35] <Determinist> bbl
[10:35] <geeksauce> apokryphos: what is the command to delete a dir...i created the wrong one and now i don't have permission to delete
[10:35] <apokryphos> rm -rf /some/directory
[10:36] <mitzkrieg> possible help with Totem? when i try to start it up i get this error "Totem could not startup, Resource busy or not available"
[10:37] <Luna-Tick> Thanks bob2 - had to unlock the panel and give myself some space to click on! Wouldn't have found it had I not known it was there :D
[10:37] <geeksauce> apokryphos: thanks.  is there a way i can make the ipod mount to that folder every time i plug it in?  i know i could add a line to fstab, but wouldn't that just mount it if it was already plugged in on boot?
[10:38] <apokryphos> geeksauce: not sure what tools gnome uses to automatically detect things; in fact, not sure if they have any. Regardless, if you ever just mount that directory (/media/ipod) it'll do the stuff appropriately
[10:39] <geeksauce> ok coo
[10:39] <LaserLine> What does the line "Filesystem seems mounted as readonly, skipping journal replay" on boot sequance after the line "Filesystem Clean" - working with reiserFS
[10:41] <LaserLine> anyone has an idea what does the above line mean ?
[10:41] <Salutis> hello all
[10:41] <dazvid> hi Salutis
[10:42] <Salutis> dazvid, thanks
[10:42] <LaserLine> hey Salutis.
[10:42] <Torps> lo ppl
[10:43] <Torps> does any 1 know how to set up ubuntu to work on the net with RP-PPPoR
[10:43] <Torps> it connects, but nothing happens
[10:43] <Torps> cant get the browser to do anything
[10:44] <Seveas> do you get an ip address?
[10:44] <Torps> its going over an adsl router
[10:44] <bob2> Torps: why are you using RP?
[10:44] <Torps> so i set the machine to DHCP
[10:44] <bob2> and no, it's not going over a router
[10:44] <Torps> what else could i use ?
[10:44] <bob2> if it was, your machine would not know about the DSL at all
[10:44] <Torps> but the router is not set up like a router
[10:44] <bob2> go back and explain what your goal is
[10:45] <bob2> then it's a bridge in thise case, not a router
[10:45] <Torps> ok=)
[10:45] <Torps> i have a adsl modem
[10:45] <Torps> i need to connect to it with PPPoE
[10:45] <Torps> so i installed RP-PPPoE and it works now
[10:45] <Torps> shows that it is conncted
[10:46] <bob2> ok
[10:46] <Torps> but browser doesnt pick up the connection
[10:46] <bob2> get rid of RP entirely
[10:46] <Torps> ok
[10:46] <bob2> then run "sudo pppoeconf"
[10:46] <bob2> then "sudo pon" to connect
[10:46] <Torps> cool
[10:46] <Torps> thanks =)
[10:46] <Torps> will try that
[10:48] <osfameron> woot, maybe my ubuntu disks have arrived
[10:48] <lassesandberg> hi people
[10:48] <Torps> awsome
[10:48] <Torps> that worked
[10:48] <lassesandberg> i installed wine through synaptic package manager, but i dont get any config file after the first time i run it
[10:48] <Torps> thanks
[10:49] <lassesandberg> how do i get the default config file
[10:51] <lassesandberg> anyone?
[10:52] <aftertaf> can you install the system with a live cd?
[10:52] <aftertaf>  a qu on #kubuntu
[10:52] <bob2> not simply
[10:54] <aftertaf> bob2:  very complicated ?
[10:54] <bob2> not very
[10:54] <bob2> you really should just use the install cd, tho
[10:55] <dazvid> aftertaf, there is a bounty for someone to develop that feature
[10:55] <dazvid> I was reading it last night
[10:55] <apokryphos> On some Live CDs there's a secret "install" option, but I forget which ones; not any Kubuntu, IIRC.
[10:55] <aftertaf> lol dazvid really?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> dazvid, it is mostly done. It should become default for breezy+1
[10:55] <dazvid> ah ok, cant remember who it was assigned to
[10:55] <bob2> the UbuntuExpress people
[10:55] <bob2> who appear to be behind schedule
[10:55] <dazvid> :o
[10:56] <dazvid> umm, I have this giant grey square in my display.. anyone else get this problem?
[10:56] <dazvid> its "Always on top" too.. so I cant see whats beneath it
[10:57] <dazvid> its also on all of my desktops :|
[10:57] <aftertaf> dazvid:  restart X is it still there?
[10:58] <dazvid> Whats the easiest way to restart X and keep my session open?
[10:58] <aftertaf> X session? you can't (afaik)
[10:58] <dazvid> damn
[10:58] <dazvid> ok well.. brb.
[10:58] <aftertaf> u d/l ing ?
[10:58] <dazvid> Nope
[10:58] <dazvid> just happened while I was reading some text documents in vim
[10:59] <aftertaf> no preocesses haging around being weird?
[11:00] <dazvid> How do I check background processes?
[11:00] <aftertaf> open console, type ps -A
[11:00] <dazvid> is there a keyboard shortcut similar to Ctrl Alt del
[11:00] <aftertaf> kde, Ctl & Esc
[11:00] <aftertaf> gnome dunno
[11:00] <dazvid> ah ok
[11:00] <dazvid> Apparently I have no processes?
[11:01] <bob2> "background processes" has a specific meaning
[11:01] <bob2> what are you trying to look at?
[11:02] <dazvid> bob2, Im not sure what Im looking for.. theres a big grey box in the top left of my screen which is always on top. Its just rather annyoing
[11:02] <dazvid> Only popped up while reading text documents in vim
[11:02] <bob2> you neglected to mention lots of details, tho
[11:02] <bob2> right
[11:02] <bob2> so presumably it's part of vim
[11:02] <bob2> or you ran it and forgot
[11:03] <dazvid> Lots of details? It just appeared -_-
[11:03] <gn0me> anyone know how to eliminate: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:03] <bob2> that seems somewhat unlikely
[11:04] <Seveas> gn0me, by enabling DRI perhaps...
[11:04] <gn0me> in my xorg.conf it includes the DRI module. :-\
[11:04] <dazvid> well, all I did was open vim in a console and then it appeared
[11:04] <aftertaf> gn0me:  what gfx card do you have?
[11:04] <gn0me> ATI Radeon 9600XT
[11:05] <bob2> gn0me: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:05] <bob2> dazvid: so, we here have no more information than what you have said?
[11:05] <bob2> did it show up at the same time?
[11:05] <bob2> if so, that's relevant
[11:06] <dazvid> no, it was as I switched a window (to gaim i believe)
[11:06] <`paul> if a have root access is it possible to hide a process ..(invisible from ps aux??)
[11:06] <gn0me> What if I don't have a /proc/pci :-\
[11:07] <bob2> `paul: of course
[11:07] <bob2> gn0me: then use lspci
[11:07] <dazvid> meh, I will just reboot. brb.
[11:07] <bob2> `paul: root can do anything
[11:07] <`paul> how? at bob2?
[11:08] <bob2> dude
[11:08] <`paul> i mean i ran something with nohup <aaaaa> &
[11:08] <bob2> root can overwrite any part of memory
[11:08] <bob2> this is what rootkits do
[11:08] <bob2> oh
[11:08] <`paul> rootkits...
[11:08] <bob2> no, there is no command line tool for it, because that would be dumb
[11:09] <`paul> ive read that there is a trick in renaming a process... to something
[11:09] <bob2> why would you want to hide a process?
[11:09] <`paul> so its better to add rootkits
[11:10] <bob2> wtf
[11:10] <scanwinder> is there a command to activate a wireless card.......at the moment i have to go into the network admin utility every time i want to use wireless......i want a command that i can put in a shell script
[11:10] <bob2> stop being obscure
[11:10] <`paul> :(
[11:10] <bob2> `paul: why on earth would you want to hide a process?
[11:10] <osfameron> scanwinder: sudo ifup ?
[11:10] <bob2> you haven't explained what on earth you're doing
[11:10] <onkarshinde> anybody from India here?
[11:10] <gn0me> Is there a way I can override version mismatch dependencies with apt-get?
[11:10] <scanwinder> osfameron: thanks
[11:10] <gn0me> Can't seem to find it in the manpage
[11:10] <Salutis> #join slovakia
[11:10] <bob2> gn0me: no, that won't help
[11:11] <gn0me> I'm trying to install the fglrx driver, so it might.
[11:11] <osfameron> scanwinder: your wireless card should be something like wlan0 or ath0 (on mine it's eth1) try ifconfig to get the possibilities
[11:11] <bob2> gn0me: no, don't do that
[11:11] <bob2> gn0me: read the page I poitned you at, not some random other one
[11:13] <bob2> `paul: ?
[11:13] <spola> so i used sound juicer to rip my *entire* cd collection to ogg (which took days)... and now I just discovered my mp3 player can't play ogg files. I was wondering how to convert these ogg's to mp3's
[11:14] <`paul> nevermind... sorry...
[11:14] <rule187> Hi, how can I set a static IP and subnet mask in the CLI?
[11:14] <bob2> this is why ripping to lossy formats is a bad idea...
[11:14] <bob2> rule187: ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0
[11:14] <spola> rule187, do "man 5 interfaces"
[11:14] <bob2> rule187: ip route add 1.2.3.0/24 dev eth0
[11:15] <rule187> thanks guys :)
[11:16] <spola> bob2, so ... there's no way to do this? wth i found at least a dozen windows programs that do excactly what i need while looking for a linux program
[11:16] <bob2> spola: sure, there's tons of ways
[11:16] <bob2> it's like one line of shell
[11:16] <bob2> but it' a terrible idea
[11:16] <spola> well i dont want to convert my entire collection
[11:16] <`paul> btw, is ubuntu that diff from debian... coz i put a deb repository in the sources.list and updated evrything... after i restarted evrything was f*ckd up
[11:16] <selinium> spola: check out sox
[11:16] <spola> i was thinking of just converting everything on my mp3 player before umounting
[11:16] <scanwinder> osfameron: ifup didnt seem to do it...... "sudo ifup ath0" is what i tried.......
[11:17] <spola> selinium, thx
[11:17] <bob2> mp32ogg - Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis
[11:17] <osfameron> scanwinder: try iwconfig to see what interfaces you have ?
[11:17] <scanwinder> osfameron: wait, it did activate it...it must be sumthin else is wrong....
[11:17] <bob2> `paul: no, that was stupid, do not mix them unless you know what you're doing
[11:17] <scanwinder> osfameron: its ath0
[11:17] <osfameron> scanwinder: do you have a key or something?
[11:17] <bob2> dir2ogg - converts mp3, m4a, and wav files into ogg-vorbis format
[11:17] <bob2> etc
[11:18] <bob2> spola: apt-cache search mp3 ogg
[11:18] <bob2> any one of those will be simple to get going
[11:18] <scanwinder> osfameron: i put in the key
[11:19] <scanwinder> osfameron: i put iwconfig ath0 key xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx in
[11:20] <scanwinder> osfameron: its picking up the access point but it wont get an IP address
[11:21] <bob2> best to disable WEP entirely
[11:21] <bob2> to make sure it works
[11:21] <^ChRiS^^> Okay I need some help
[11:22] <`paul> can i use kate in ubuntu(gnome) by just installing the base kde lib?
[11:23] <osfameron> scanwinder: yeah, what bob2 said :-)  actually, I use wifiradar, because I'm lazy and it's (relatively) shiny
[11:23] <bob2> `paul: just by insatlling kate, yes
[11:26] <`paul> oh
[11:26] <`paul> so kate really doesnt require KDE?
[11:26] <spola> sox (installed in synaptic) has been built without mp3 support, is there anyway i can get a version that does support mp3's?
[11:27] <`paul> do you know of any good php/c++ editors that supports SSH?
[11:27] <apokryphos> `paul: it does' kate is *in* kde
[11:27] <spola> someone should build a guerilla ubuntu with all the stuff that has been left out for legal reasons
[11:28] <bob2> `paul: it does, but apt will automatically install whatever bits kate needs
[11:28] <prasys|laptop> can i know , where is x-chat is located , so I can create a shoutcut , i just used kynaptic for it
[11:29] <scanwinder> bob2: is wifiradar in the ubuntu repositories?
[11:29] <apokryphos> prasys|laptop: the executable is in /usr/bin/
[11:29] <aftertaf> prasys|laptop:  can't kypantic tell you where the file is?
[11:29] <bob2> scanwinder: no idea
[11:29] <bob2> I use kismet and netapplet
[11:29] <bob2> not that netapplet actually works, at all
[11:29] <aftertaf> !info wifiradar
[11:30] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  yo :) how goes it ?
[11:30] <prasys> thanks a lot
[11:32] <franco64> how can u ntotally uninstall an application without going to synaptic manager, is there a unix command to do this
[11:33] <bob2> sudo aptitude purge blah
[11:33] <franco64> the reason why is the synaptic still leaves files behind and i need to do a totally fresh install
[11:34] <bob2> that sounds unlikely
[11:34] <aftertaf> synaptic has a total purge option...
[11:34] <bob2> perhaps you didn't tell synaptic to purge the package in question
[11:34] <apokryphos> "Complete Removal"
[11:34] <^ChRiS^^> I get this error when I try to install xmms The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to glib-config. configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first
[11:34] <franco64> i did i asked for a total uninstall and all assosiations and still still kept files there
[11:35] <franco64> oh and bob2 thanks
[11:35] <aftertaf> chris: you using sorece tarballs or apt?
[11:35] <^ChRiS^^> tarballs
[11:35] <bob2> ^ChRiS^^: so, you're all wrong to begin with; why are you installing xmms from source to begin with?
[11:36] <^ChRiS^^> ..thats what it said?
[11:36] <franco64> still left files there in /usr/lib/gdesklets
[11:36] <aftertaf> ok....
[11:36] <aftertaf> chris... type sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:37] <aftertaf> itll manage the dependencies itself.
[11:37] <franco64> i can manually delete them but i really would like the system to delete the files and any files that i might miss
[11:39] <^ChRiS^^> ok then what
[11:40] <^ChRiS^^> ha nm
[11:40] <aftertaf> chris, did it finish without an error?
[11:41] <nfinitep1astik> so much fuss for a reg'd nick
[11:43] <^ChRiS^^> Yeah, ty.
[11:45] <nfinitep1astik> gg nickserv
[11:46] <nfinitep1astik> sucks to be whoever got the b00t
[11:53] <z|bandito> i have ubuntu installed on this box, and it seems to be playing sound effects triggered by gnome ok, but when I try and use the CD player or the internet radio it seems to be all garbled.  any ideas?
[11:54] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: do you have alsa enabled?
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> nfinitep1astik,
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> obviously he does
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> gnomes sounds plays
[11:54] <CaiN_SA> and if alsa wasnt enabled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> the sound would not have came out garbled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> there wouldnt have been any at all
[11:55] <nfinitep1astik> CaiN_SA: actually, i had that same problem on my box, and ALSA wasn't enabled
[11:55] <nfinitep1astik> CaiN_SA: nasty esound was enabled
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> erm
[11:55] <CaiN_SA> look
[11:56] <CaiN_SA> oss in kernel isnt used anymore
[11:56] <CaiN_SA> thus also is now in kernel
[11:56] <selinium> CaiN_SA: surely if he had any off the other sound server running he would get sound. OSS deosn't support mutil threaded sound
[11:59] <Digis> where can I report bugs in breezy?
[12:00] <Digis> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[12:02] <nfinitep1astik> Digis:what kind of bug are you experiencing?
[12:03] <Digis> in breezy, emu10k1, by default is enabled to digital output,  so there is no sound in it, I think it should be enabled to analog output
[12:03] <youngcoder> what dir is samba.log in?
[12:03] <aftertaf> !find
[12:04] <z|bandito> how do i check if alsa is enabled?  or esound?
[12:04] <youngcoder> i did a whereis
[12:04] <aftertaf> find / -name samba.log
[12:04] <aftertaf> i think...
[12:04] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, so?
[12:04] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: well, i wouldn't quite consider that a bug then ^^;;
[12:05] <youngcoder> aftertaf, that didnt work
[12:05] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: preferences and multimedia
[12:05] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, well I understant that, but, I think by default ubuntu should play sounds, and its not
[12:05] <aftertaf> man find :)
[12:05] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: well, i guess it would depend on your hardware and how ubuntu configures it
[12:05] <aftertaf> or sudo it first...
[12:07] <aftertaf> is it caled samba.log?
[12:08] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, I have audigy 1 sound card, and ubuntu breezy configures it incorrectly,  I have never experienced this problem in hoary
[12:08] <ubuntUser> hello:I've got 12.GHz and 256MB RAM, i installed hoary, and my system is slow in some cases (ex. when I open 3 firefoxes) top shows that then my ram is about 3MB free. If I buy more RAM will I get system speed up?
[12:08] <spola> anyone has the ubuntusetup script from downloads.forums.....? it refuses to resolve here :/
[12:08] <gwilym> Does anyone know a way to arrange things so that, from either windows or ubuntu, I can choose what the default boot option will be next time?
[12:08] <ubuntUser> 1.2GHZ;] 
[12:08] <nfinitep1astik> gwilym: change your options on your boot loader, but you'll need a little knowledge
[12:08] <aftertaf> ubuntulog:  haveyou setup a swap partiton?
[12:09] <aftertaf> youngcoder:  check /etc/samba
[12:09] <mitzkrieg> for installing a multi disc game, the wiki says to use the -monitor-cdrom-eject option. how do i enable this?
[12:10] <mitzkrieg> or check to see if it's enabled
[12:10] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: hmmm....as far as i know, i dont think creative supports anything else than windows...and by configures it incorrectly, it just enables the digital output?
[12:10] <gwilym> nfinitep1astik: I'd like to be able to toggle between the two easily, so that the next boot after ubuntu is windows, but the next after windows is ubuntu, or similar: it's a remote machine. I've set the menu.lst at the moment to go into windows - is there an easy way to change it from in windows?
[12:11] <v1ru5> My mouse prevents Gnome from launching! How can i fix it? :/
[12:11] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, yes it enables the digital output, and disables analog output, so I must enable analog ouput manually, and I think itis confusing for unexperienced user, to change in alsamixer
[12:12] <nfinitep1astik> gwilym: i haven't heard of something like that nor how sure it how possible that would be....the boot script usually remains static, unless you're able to modify ntldr dynamically...which i doubt x.x
[12:12] <robotgeek> v1ru5: still having that problem?
[12:13] <v1ru5> robotgeek: yep.
[12:13] <z|bandito> input is oss, output is ESD... i should try alsa?
[12:13] <robotgeek> v1ru5: it's a usb right?
[12:13] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: and i agree, but that's part of the beauty of linux...asking quesions to annoy everyone else =D
[12:13] <z|bandito> thanks for the help, btw :)
[12:13] <v1ru5> robotgeek: yep, logitech, usb and optical
[12:13] <nfinitep1astik> z|bandito: yes, switch to alsa
[12:14] <robotgeek> v1ru5: for how much time does it hang in there?
[12:14] <kandoora_> let's say i don't have connection to the internet, but i wanna install an application. how do i go about it, do i download the source code or the deb or the rpm, what do i do then
[12:14] <v1ru5> robotgeek: for what i have waited, more than 6 hours
[12:14] <v1ru5> robotgeek: how long exactly, i cannot know
[12:14] <mitzkrieg> can anyone tell a newb how to enable -monitor-cdrom-eject option for a multi disc game installation?
[12:15] <v1ru5> could be +20, +48, +900
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: you dont even have to do that, just apt-get install *program name*
[12:15] <Digis> nfinitep1astik, well nobody helped me, I found the solution on some other distros forum, so I think its quite tricky for a newbie, so U think I should report this as a some bug?
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: just make sure you add sudo beforehand ^.~
[12:15] <Digis> or I shouldnt?
[12:15] <nfinitep1astik> Digis: you could always try, no harm in pushing the idea forward
[12:16] <gwilym> thanks nfinitep1astik - probably best to do it manually then. Cheerio
[12:16] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: so the line should be sudo apt-get install inkscape
[12:16] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: then do that in your terminal
[12:16] <robotgeek> v1ru5: just asking, that's all. it's really really weird
[12:16] <LaserLine> Guys, will I notice and diffrence between 8MB and 16MB buffer on a 5400RPM HD (40GB) laptop drive on a P3-600 and 256RAM
[12:16] <LaserLine> it's a laptop
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: tell me about it :/
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: annoying as **** too
[12:17] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: but what should the program be .deb .rpm or source code
[12:17] <meta> !getty
[12:17] <ubotu> meta: Are you smoking crack?
[12:17] <v1ru5> robotgeek: any workaround from this??
[12:17] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: rpms are red hat, and unless you can compile your code, then deb it is....but when you install through apt (aptitude) you dont need to worry about that
[12:17] <aftertaf> !info getty
[12:18] <robotgeek> v1ru5: it's only gnome and not any other environment like fluxbox or so?
[12:18] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: if you can bring it up through apt-get, browse synaptic and see if you can find it there
[12:18] <nfinitep1astik> cant*
[12:18] <ubuntUser> can anyon help me?
[12:18] <ubuntUser> ;] 
[12:18] <mitzkrieg> can anyone tell a newb how to enable -monitor-cdrom-eject option for a multi disc game installation?
[12:19] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i do not know
[12:19] <robotgeek> v1ru5: can u try that? do a apt-get install fluxbox, and see if it's a gnome problem
[12:20] <nfinitep1astik> mitzkrieg: although i haven't installed a multi-cd game, it just sounds like a command, more than an option you enable
[12:20] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: so what if i go through synaptic and don't find it there, or it ain't the latest version then what do i do?
[12:20] <v1ru5> robotgeek: ok
[12:20] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: you're pretty much SOL if you cant google it or just find it somewhere on the web
[12:21] <kandoora_> nfinitep1astik: can i msg u pls.?
[12:21] <LaserLine> Will I notice and diffrence between 8MB and 16MB buffer on a 5400RPM HD (40GB) laptop drive on a P3-600 and 256RAM ?
[12:21] <nfinitep1astik> kandoora_: sure
[12:21] <v1ru5> robotgeek: it won't override Gnome by default, right?
[12:21] <robotgeek> v1ru5: no, you will be able to select it from gdm
[12:22] <v1ru5> robotgeek: nice feature considering that i don't even know what gdm is :)
[12:23] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, gdm is basically the login screen u see if you logout
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: ok.. i downloaded it
[12:23] <ibitox> hi
[12:23] <thesaltydog> just upgraded breezy from hoary. I am experiencing a huge performance loss... What am I missing?
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: how do i launch it?
[12:23] <ibitox> can someone help me? with my riptide sound card
[12:23] <phrizer> hm, this might seem odd, but, how can i access samba shares from the standard 'open' dialog boxes, like in xchats dcc send? I can access them though the 'network servers' tool and create an icon on the desktop that opens it.
[12:23] <v1ru5> robotgeek: startx -something?
[12:23] <thesaltydog> 40 seconds to open an openoffice document
[12:23] <robotgeek> v1ru5: how do u generally login
[12:24] <thesaltydog> 8 seconds to open the terminal..
[12:24] <v1ru5> robotgeek: it launches up gnome automatically
[12:24] <ibitox> anyone?
[12:24] <robotgeek> v1ru5: from the login screen, if you use it, select session as fluxbox and login
[12:25] <v1ru5> ibitox: CHECK THE TOPIC
[12:25] <v1ru5> ibitox: esp. the second paragraph ;)
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: umm, i have no idea what you are talking about
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i have only gnome login screen
[12:25] <v1ru5> robotgeek: and console login "screen"
[12:26] <ibitox> I seems not to work, I try to install drivers but it doesnt install
[12:26] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, let's try and fix that for you.
[12:26] <z|bandito> 'failed to construct test pipeline for alsa'
[12:26] <robotgeek> v1ru5: you are on another machine right?
[12:28] <LaserLine> What's the diffrence between 'locate' and 'slocate' ?
[12:28] <robotgeek> v1ru5: get to the console login, then go to "cd /etc/gdm/sessions". there will be a default script there. follow me till here?
[12:28] <robotgeek> v1ru5: btw, there should also be a "failsafe gnome" login in there screen. did u try that?
[12:31] <cafuego> LaserLine: slocate ought to only find _your_ files
[12:32] <ibitox> anyone again?
[12:32] <Juhaz> there is no difference
[12:32] <robotgeek> cafuego: how do i get the underline?
[12:32] <LaserLine> cafuego so what should i add to my cron.daily ? slocate or locate ?
[12:33] <cafuego> robotgeek: _underscore_ on both sides of teh word, irc client does the interpreting.
[12:33] <robotgeek> cafuego: ah, _neat_
[12:33] <cafuego> LaserLine: locate should already be running
[12:33] <cafuego> robotgeek: indeed
[12:33] <robotgeek> v1ru5: u there?
[12:34] <robotgeek> cafuego: thanks, one more thing learned today :)
[12:34] <cafuego> LaserLine: if you need search options, have a look at beagle.
[12:34] <LaserLine> cafuego how can i check that ? where to look ?
[12:34] <LaserLine> cafuego (about locate)
[12:34] <v1ru5> robotgeek: having my breakfast, i'll be back in a bit :)
[12:34] <cafuego> LaserLine: 'rgrep updatedb /etc'
[12:35] <cafuego> LaserLine: 'updatedb' updates the 'locate' database.
[12:35] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, i might leave in another 15-20 minutes, so try the failsafe login if i am not here!
[12:35] <robotgeek> cafuego: would you know how memory/cpu intensive beagle is?
[12:35] <LaserLine> cufuego Ok, in what conf file would I see if locate is running ?
[12:36] <cafuego> robotgeek: The initial index made my AMD64 1.8GHz with 1 GB ram do quite a lot of poo.
[12:36] <robotgeek> cafuego: okay, find with grep works great :)
[12:36] <robotgeek> i will have to stick to that!
[12:36] <cafuego> LaserLine: /etc/cron.daily/find
[12:37] <cafuego> robotgeek: Now that it's all indexed, finding stuff is immediate
[12:37] <LaserLine> cafuego I only have a file named: 'find.notslocate
[12:37] <cafuego> LaserLine: Umculiar.
[12:38] <LaserLine> cafuego and i have anotherone 'slocate'
[12:38] <robotgeek> cafuego: u are getting me hooked, u evil man :)
[12:38] <cafuego> then yours is probably using slocate
[12:38] <cafuego> robotgeek: well, the alternative is running OSX with Spotlight
[12:38] <LaserLine> cafuego what time daily does it work ?
[12:39] <robotgeek> cafuego: nah, i'll just keep my stuff organised, my poor 500 mhz machine may not be able to handle it.
[12:39] <InitMass> how do i test if my proftpd works?
[12:39] <cafuego> LaserLine: 7:30 am
[12:40] <Virtuall> InitMass, launch it and ftp://localhost ?
[12:40] <v1ru5> robotgeek: back
[12:40] <LaserLine> cafuego is there a way to change the time ? what happens if the laptop is closed at that time... ?
[12:40] <InitMass> Virtuall, but if i want to test if external users can access it?
[12:40] <v1ru5> robotgeek: should i shutdown gnome (how?) before running that failsafe?
[12:41] <robotgeek> v1ru5: logout, (i hope u are on a different machine!) and then select failsafe gnome from the sessions popup (i think f10)
[12:41] <Virtuall> InitMass, ftp://your.ip
[12:41] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i am on that machine
[12:41] <v1ru5> robotgeek: the one with the problems
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: okay, then i guess u'll have to leave and come back
[12:42] <Virtuall> or tell me your IP and i'll try it :)
[12:42] <v1ru5> robotgeek: well this irssi isn't on that box :P
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: phew :)
[12:42] <v1ru5> robotgeek: i'm connecting to a remote box to IRC with ssh
[12:42] <robotgeek> v1ru5: same here :)
[12:43] <v1ru5> so umm, logout? how? lol
[12:43] <v1ru5> i mean, gnome just stands there, without anything displaying but the mouse cursor
[12:43] <InitMass> Virtuall, doesn't seem to work for external users but it does to me
[12:43] <robotgeek> kill by ctrl + alt +del
[12:44] <v1ru5> pressed ctrl + alt + del, nothing happens
[12:44] <nfinitep1astik> lol
[12:45] <v1ru5> pressed ctrl + alt + del 3 times more, nothing happens
[12:45] <nfinitep1astik> what process are you trying to kill?
[12:45] <Virtuall> InitMass, hmm it may be listening on 127.0.0.1 orit might be your firewall. have one?
[12:45] <robotgeek> v1ru5: damn, it's hung pretty bad. so, maybe a hard reboot?
[12:45] <InitMass> Virtuall, yes i'm using firestarter and have opened port 20-21
[12:46] <v1ru5> robotgeek: but then it launches up it again!
[12:46] <v1ru5> robotgeek: and hungs again
[12:46] <v1ru5> o_O
[12:46] <Virtuall> InitMass, check if it's not listening on 127.0.0.1
[12:47] <Virtuall> see proftpd.conf
[12:47] <robotgeek> v1ru5: u have gnome to boot up automatically without logging in?
[12:47] <v1ru5> yep
[12:48] <Drajka> So.. Where might I get a software firewall for Ubuntu. ;)
[12:48] <franco64> just use firestarter
[12:48] <robotgeek> okay, let gnome boot up without your mouse connected, then connect your mouse later.select to not login automatically (for now)
[12:48] <v1ru5> robotgeek: but i'll boot and try to unplug the mouse and try to get gnome working that way and i'll disable it
[12:48] <v1ru5> yep
[12:48] <v1ru5> brb
[12:48] <franco64> drajka : firestarter
[12:48] <Drajka> O.o ok
[12:49] <InitMass> Virtuall, do you know where i should look in the proftpd.conf? i can't find anything about 127.0.0.1
[12:49] <Drajka> ......
[12:49] <Drajka> I kep getting this error when I try to install things.
[12:49] <Drajka> E: locales:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4
[12:50] <franco64> Drajka: apt-get install firestarter
[12:50] <franco64> what's the error messages
[12:50] <Drajka> ......
[12:50] <Drajka> I just posted it
[12:50] <nfinitep1astik> lol
[12:51] <cafuego> robotgeek: Just reindexing now, load is 4 after a minute
[12:51] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: what are you running?
[12:51] <Drajka> ... Ubuntu?
[12:52] <franco64> have u tried doing a dist upgrade
[12:52] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: ^^;;....your kernal?
[12:52] <Virtuall> InitMass, ;( if it hasn't any address there, it's probably default. and default is 0.0.0.0 afaik. so /me gives up
[12:52] <nfinitep1astik> kernel*
[12:53] <Drajka> x86_64
[12:53] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: so the k7? or the 64 bit?
[12:53] <gn0me> Hmm.. takes like 5 minutes for my gnome to load, freezes at the default brown background after the GDM..
[12:53] <Drajka> 64bit..
[12:54] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: i have the amd 64 also, but i have to run k7 otherwise....so you install the 64 bit originally?
[12:54] <Drajka> yes..
[12:54] <robotgeek> cafuego: :)
[12:54] <Drajka> It's just recently that this problem happpened
[12:54] <robotgeek> v1ru5: alrite, i gotta go and take driving test now. cya later!
[12:55] <v1ru5> ./
[12:55] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: what's changed since the last time you tried to install something?
[12:55] <agent86ian> Hi everyone, New to linux and have a couple of questions.
[12:55] <Drajka> nothing
[12:56] <sepmike> hi guys
[12:56] <Drajka> it must have been one of the things i installed
[12:56] <Drajka> i installed a bunch of updates
[12:56] <Drajka> and then suddenly I'm getting the error
[12:56] <Drajka> then again
[12:56] <Drajka> I haven't tried restarting ubuntu yet
[12:56] <nfinitep1astik> that might work
[12:56] <sepmike> does anyone have some time to answer a few laptop  installation questions?
[12:56] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian, sepmike: ask away
[12:56] <sepmike> thanks
[12:57] <sepmike> I have a pcg-fx104 vaio
[12:57] <sepmike> had to install with acpi=no
[12:57] <sepmike> and now of course I can't get pcmcia to run
[12:57] <nfinitep1astik> and you probably wont
[12:57] <nfinitep1astik> why couldn't you enable acpi?
[12:58] <sepmike> it hung on boot at acpi: subsystem revisions .....
[12:58] <sepmike> when I went to install
[12:58] <agent86ian> I have a Nvidia FX 5200 video card and the LCD monitor is running at the native resolution of 1280 x 1024 but the fonts are blurry. I have fiddled arround with the fonts settings but it is not sharp like it is in Windows XP Any clues?
[12:59] <sepmike> thing is it shows the netgear pcmcia wifi card in the devices
[12:59] <sepmike> but i can't get it to run
[12:59] <sepmike> I know this wifi card works cause I have ubunutu on an other laptop using the same card
[12:59] <sepmike> any ideas?
[12:59] <Drajka> w0w.. katomic is fun.
[01:00] <Drajka> So how can I restart
[01:00] <Drajka> Do I have to do a complete reboot
[01:00] <Drajka> or can I just do ctrl+alt+ backspace or somethin
[01:00] <Drajka> g
[01:00] <Drajka> :P
[01:00] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: and it's the exact setup? what is the difference in laptops?
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: you can type init 5 in your terminal
[01:01] <sepmike> yeah the other one is old compaq armada 7400  p2 366
[01:01] <Drajka> kk
[01:01] <sepmike> this vaio is a p3 700
[01:01] <Drajka> bye then.. maybe
[01:01] <Drajka> <.<
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: or simply select 'logout' and 'restart the computer'
[01:01] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: rofl, well, good to know the armada is still kicking
[01:02] <sepmike> yeah it runs just fine, i use it as a client terminal so it serves its purpose
[01:02] <sepmike> but I'd like to get the vaio running with wifi
[01:02] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: sometimes you'll run into trouble that ubuntu doesn't have the same driver support, if any, like windows does
[01:02] <sepmike> never thought I'd have trouble installing it tho :(
[01:03] <nfinitep1astik> sepmike: you might want to check to see if there's an updated pcmcia driver you could install
[01:03] <agent86ian> Where would I look for Nvidia drivers for linux? Then I have to work out how to install :-)
[01:03] <silvan> hi - im supposed to mute all IEC* channels in order to get sound working but no IEC* channel is showing up in alsamixer - any ideas?
[01:03] <aftertaf> !tell agent86ian about nvidia
[01:04] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: unfortuatenly, nvidia doesn't share the wonder for the GNU license like everyone else, so closed drivers are a bit difficult to get a hold of
[01:04] <agent86ian> Windows XP Pro SP2 did not detect my Intel onboard Lan 1G but Ubuntu had no problems.
[01:04] <aftertaf> silvan:  try aumix or aumix-gtk
[01:05] <agent86ian> What brand of card do you recommend? I have a spare ATI Radeon Hang on I will get the number.
[01:05] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: then just use that, ATI has much better support in linux
[01:05] <nfinitep1astik> Drajka: wb
[01:05] <prasys|laptop> does anyone knows any good x-chat sysinfo script for ubuntu
[01:05] <Drajka> Thanks :)
[01:06] <sepmike> cardctl status says ... socket 1: 3.3v cardbux card function 0: [ready] 
[01:06] <agent86ian> Are they standard or will I have to get drivers and install?
[01:06] <sepmike> *cardbus
[01:06] <phrizer> hm, how does gnome store its menus?
[01:06] <silvan> aftertaf: no iec* either
[01:06] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: gotta find the drivers ^.^
[01:06] <sepmike> so it's detected the card is inserted
[01:06] <prasys|laptop> ndiswrapper will do the trick for you , for cardbus/wifi
[01:07] <siimo> phrizer, /usr/share/applications/
[01:07] <aftertaf> silvan:  hmm i have seen them once on debian, cant remember where tho.
[01:07] <silvan> aftertaf: pressing f2 in alsamixer lists iec channels as output of /proc
[01:07] <VoX> is there something wrong with cdimage.ubuntulinux.org? i'm on a 10mbit link and i'm getting a whopping 10k/sec
[01:08] <spiritz> is there anyone running breezy and kde that could share his sources.list please?
[01:08] <Seveas> spiritz: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:08] <nfinitep1astik> agent86ian: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[01:08] <Seveas> spiritz, just replace every occurence of hoary with breezy
[01:09] <phrizer> siimo,  what about per user menus?
[01:10] <siimo> phrizer, that would be the same as default gnome maybe somewhere in ~/.gnome2
[01:10] <VoX> i'm guessing thats a "dont know" then
[01:10] <spiritz> Seveas: thanks
[01:11] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: trying pinging it
[01:11] <agent86ian> Thanks everyone. I will do some reading.
[01:11] <VoX> ~600ms
[01:11] <nfinitep1astik> try pinging somewhere you know is fast
[01:12] <VoX> hmm
[01:12] <VoX> some weird routing going on i think
[01:12] <phrizer> siimo, how can i add menus?
[01:13] <phrizer> or rather, menu items.
[01:14] <VoX> are there any other breezey iso repositries? i dont much feel like waiting 16hours for this to download..
[01:15] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: you have bittorrent?
[01:15] <nfinitep1astik> VoX: http://www.torrentz.com/t.php?id=188484
[01:15] <VoX> nfi: nay
[01:15] <VoX> i'm currently using a somewhat-crippled debian sid install
[01:15] <VoX> which i cant get running right on my amd64
[01:16] <VoX> hence why i want to go to ubuntu
[01:16] <nfinitep1astik> did you install the 64 version?
[01:16] <siimo> phrizer, theres a menu editor look on ubuntu forums
[01:16] <VoX> nfinitep1astik: yeah
[01:16] <nfinitep1astik> funny, i have the 64 bit proc too and i had a few problems installing the 64bit version myself, i just went back to the 386 and updated to the k7 kernel
[01:17] <VoX> ah i've got the kernel sorted, just having issues with xorg mainly
[01:17] <nfinitep1astik> cant get x to start?
[01:18] <VoX> it kinda starts. i get the nvidia logo.. then it goes back to cli.. then back to the logo.. etc.. then craps itself.
[01:18] <VoX> so x is starting
[01:18] <VoX> it just wont initiate gdm
[01:18] <nfinitep1astik> did you try to install the glx drivers?
[01:18] <VoX> yeah, done that
[01:19] <nfinitep1astik> did you have problems right after you installed the glx drivers?
[01:19] <VoX> nah
[01:19] <hansder> is there a way to mount nrg,iso,cue,bin.. images on gnome... like 'mount iso image' for kde (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577)
[01:19] <nfinitep1astik> you could try editing your xorg.conf back to the default driver and get back into x
[01:20] <VoX> well sorta. i couldnt use the stock debian kernel, as the nvidia drivers conflicted with riva in the stock kernel, so i conf'd my own kernel(2.6.12), built the nvidia modules, installed them.. and it hasnt worked yet
[01:21] <nfinitep1astik> have you tried just switching back to the default driver?
[01:21] <nfinitep1astik> and uninstalling glx?
[01:21] <VoX> nfinitep1astik: it's nvidia. it wont work without the nvidia drivers
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> yes it can ^.^
[01:22] <VoX> ?
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> or probably you didn't change your driver setting in your xorg.conf
[01:22] <nfinitep1astik> just nano it up and look for the model of your video card
[01:22] <VoX> nano?
[01:23] <nfinitep1astik> it's a text editor
[01:23] <VoX> ah
[01:23] <hansder> how do i forcefully end a process?
[01:23] <gn0me> Takes like 5 minutes for my gnome to load, freezes at the default brown background after the GDM.. I tried deleting the ~/.gnome and .gnome2 dirs.. thinking it might be something it's trying to load.. Only X log errors are saying that it can't find some font dirs, so I don't think that's the case..
[01:23] <nfinitep1astik> hansder: pkill *process name*
[01:23] <hansder> thx
[01:25] <hansder> nfinitep1astik, pkill doesnt work process still running :(
[01:25] <nfinitep1astik> hansder: what are you trying to kill?
[01:26] <Smegzor> I have been trying to get a vnc server working without success.  I want to do the remote desktop thing but with a virtual desktop, not the one on the host's screen.
[01:26] <selinium> hansder: some processes are un-interruptable like dd
[01:26] <Smegzor> Is this possible?
[01:26] <Determinist> Smegzor: you can use GDM over VNC... that way you wont have to use an open session
[01:26] <hansder> 'python' i cant kill it with the task manager either
[01:27] <Determinist> Smegzor: meaning no user would have to be logged in to allow for connections to be made
[01:27] <Smegzor> ah so the answer is NO it cannot be done :(
[01:27] <hansder> selinium, and its using up to 90% of my cpu ressources
[01:27] <Determinist> Smegzor: actually... yes, it can be done
[01:27] <Smegzor> a virtual desktop?  NOT the desktop of the currently logged in user?
[01:28] <Determinist> Smegzor: i just have no idea how exactly since i've never tried, but i'm sure it can be done with a certain amount of tweaking
[01:28] <Smegzor> my hunting around the net suggests a LOT of tweaking :(  I'm a Windows user which doesn't help :)
[01:28] <Determinist> Smegzor: like i said, GDM over VNC = connecting under a NEW session, not requiring a user to be logged in. works similiar to RDP on W2k machines
[01:29] <Smegzor> where can I find some info about setting that up?
[01:29] <Smegzor> I need some instructions I can follow.
[01:29] <Determinist> Smegzor: easy, gimme a sec, i'll post a link
[01:29] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:30] <Determinist> Smegzor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941
[01:30] <Smegzor> this is the last big thing I haven't got working in my new installation.  I was using another debian before this and never had this much trouble.
[01:30] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:30] <Determinist> Smegzor: np mate, good luck. that has worked for me quite well btw :)
[01:31] <rouven> moinmoin.
[01:31] <Smegzor> :) if this works, the wife can use HER new linux box and I can fiddle with it without unseating her or stealing her mouse :)
[01:31] <Determinist> bbiab
[01:33] <Smegzor> hmm..  I enabled all? the universe repositories yet there is no vnc4server in my package lists :(
[01:33] <Smegzor> I think I know where I stuffed up :)
[01:36] <Determinist> Smegzor: any luck so far?
[01:37] <Gorth-> Does Ubuntu respecet the preferences file in apt?
[01:37] <Smegzor> working on it..  slowly.  at another comp :)  I am defiling this chatroom by using Windows at it :)
[01:37] <Smegzor> I'll be a while..
[01:37] <Gorth-> I can't seem to make it default to hoary
[01:37] <Gorth-> isn't the syntax APT::Default-Release "hoary"; ?
[01:38] <hansder> is there a way to mount nrg,iso,cue,bin.. images on gnome... like 'mount iso image' for kde (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577)
[01:39] <Smegzor> hmm..  i don't understand why vnc4server is not showing up when I search the package manager for it.  I have all the universe repositories enabled etc.
[01:39] <Smegzor> maybe I need to grab it directly off a website?
[01:39] <bimberi> Smegzor: are you on i386?
[01:40] <Smegzor> 64bit
[01:40] <Smegzor> does that answer you?  Its a new motherboard with an AMD64 in it.
[01:40] <aftertaf> hansder:  you asked that before right?
[01:41] <bimberi> Smegzor: yes it does...
[01:41] <bimberi> Smegzor: i'm only sure that it's available for i386
[01:41] <Smegzor> hmm..  i'll try to find its maintainer website.  see what I can find out there..
[01:42] <Smegzor> there is a downloadable package for ia64..  what is that?
[01:43] <daaku> anyone know if its possible to use a linksys wireless router by connecting it to the internet using a wireless connection?
[01:43] <bimberi> Smegzor: try searching at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <sepmike> yes daaku if you have enabled remote access
[01:45] <BurgerMann> How do you edit user groups in a shell?
[01:45] <Smegzor> rats.  ia64 is for powerpc aka.  Mac
[01:45] <persia> BurgerMann: `sudo vi /etc/group`
[01:46] <jinroh> xsane 0.9.6, ubuntu 5.0.4, Problem - xsane will not recogonize my scanner.  It only see my tv card.  If I run xsane as root the scanner is recognize; but, xsane recommends that you don't run as root.  My user is a member of the scanner group. Does anyone have any ideas how to correct this problem?
[01:46] <BurgerMann> persia, thx
[01:46] <daaku> sepmike: i guess i should explain more: i have 2 wireless routers, far away, need to connect one to the other so i have wired access at both places (so sort of make one router a client of the other)
[01:47] <bimberi> Smegzor: I wonder if it works with the basic vncserver?
[01:48] <Smegzor> i tried that.  I get "failed to connect to server"
[01:48] <perseo_pi> How can I list the partitions?
[01:48] <Smegzor> qtparted?
[01:49] <bimberi> perseo_pi: sudo fdisk -l
[01:49] <perseo_pi> thanks
[01:50] <sepmike> oh daaku dunno about that
[01:51] <ralph> Am I right in thinking Ubuntu bugzilla bugs don't get much attention whilst they're `unconfirmed'?
[01:52] <Smegzor> this might not work.  I have downloaded vnc4server (the i386 version) and I want to try to install it on my ubuntu64.  I have the .deb package on my desktop.  What do I do now?  I'm a Windows user :)
[01:53] <apokryphos> ralph: I'm sad to say that several bugs I reported didn't get much attention at all in the past.
[01:54] <ralph> There seems to be plenty of bugs that are easy to confirm by a 3rd party but that isn't happening.  I was wondering if something like `kernel janitor/newbies' existed to help with the first round of ubuntu bug analysis.
[01:54] <bimberi> Smegzor: i don't know if it will install but if you want to try: sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb
[01:54] <Smegzor> thanks
[01:56] <Smegzor> nah it won't because my computer is too awesome for it :)  Its a pity that i386 won't work on amd64
[01:56] <Smegzor> I'll have to wait for the world to catch up..
[01:57] <ralph> Take bug 12168, spelling mistakes in the aspell British English dictionary.  Easy for a B.E. speaker to confirm it's a bug.  But it just sits at unconfirmed as release 5.10 draws nearer.  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12168
[01:58] <ralph> I realise the people fixing the bugs are too busy to confirm them, that's why I wondered if there's a community effort to do so.  People that are too busy to help out apart from the odd five minutes could easy confirm a bug or two a day;  or explain why they're not bugs.
[01:59] <bimberi> Smegzor: my crossed fingers didn't work then :(
[01:59] <scumbo> Smegzor, you might be able to find a built amd64 .deb built for debian
[02:01] <Smegzor> one will turn up eventually.  I'll live with sliding across the desk to the other pc in the meantime.  its such a trial.  It just means I'll have to shoo the wife off to do "important" maintenance stuff.
[02:01] <ralph> Or bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14542 about a bug in printf() comes with a simple C test program anyone can try in order to get it out of unconfirmed state.
[02:02] <selinium> Hi all, I am pretty new to this compiling from source stuff. I have compiled a deb for gambas_1.0.8 and it all looked fine.
[02:03] <Puffball> How do you enable the root account?
[02:03] <selinium> But now on install it says dpkg: error processing /home/james/src/gambas-1.0.8/gambas_1.0.8-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gbi', which is also in package gambas-runtime
[02:03] <thenuke> Puffball: why isn't sudo enough :(
[02:03] <thenuke> Puffball: sudo passwd
[02:04] <selinium> Any ideas anyone?
[02:05] <ralph> selinium: apt-get remove gambas-runtime ?
[02:05] <persia> Smegzor: I don't know if it would be compatible with the method described on the wiki, but I used to use tightvncserver to echo a new desktop to export a desktop, and there is a README.inetd in the package that demonstrates another method...
[02:05] <selinium> ralph: i will give it a go!
[02:06] <selinium> ralph: it is not installed. :)
[02:06] <Smegzor> I'm playing with tightvncserver.  it can't find my fonts at the moment..
[02:07] <Smegzor> i'm a bit lost as to what to do about that.
[02:08] <Puffball> thenuke: 'sudo' never really works, it prompts for the root password, which was never set during the install.
[02:08] <scumbo> selinium, if you're brave you could try the --force-conflict on your dpkg line
[02:08] <thenuke> Puffball: it does not ask for root pass
[02:08] <selinium> scumbo: what does that do?
[02:08] <thenuke> Puffball: would that not be a bit stupid if using root was forbidden :)
[02:09] <thenuke> Puffball: so you could not install anything to your own OS and so on ;)
[02:09] <Puffball> well, I have to edit /etc/host, which is owened by root.
[02:09] <thenuke> Puffball: did you already figure it out :) it asks for YOUR password
[02:09] <scumbo> selinium, it allows one package's files to overwrite anothers (which is your immediate problem)
[02:10] <Puffball> thenuke: I've tried everything. Seriously. I've used my password, no password, and all combinations of that, and GNOME will not work correctly unless I add my hostname to /etc/host, which can't be modified unless I use the root account.
[02:10] <selinium> scumbo: Oh, but i do not have gambas-runtime installed, so it should be ok? right?
[02:11] <thenuke> Puffball: sudo passwd definately asks for your passwd too
[02:11] <thenuke> Puffball: so you cannot then even activate the root account itself
[02:11] <Puffball> thenuke: As in, none of the System Tools will start. I'm prompted with a GNOME messaging at boot saying I need to edit /etc/host or the environment may not work properly.
[02:11] <scumbo> selinium, not sure.  There's something wrong.  What do you get if you do a
[02:11] <Puffball> Hmm
[02:12] <scumbo> dpkg -S gambas ?? (S == Search)
[02:13] <selinium> scumbo: not found
[02:13] <selinium> scumbo: nor gambas-runtime
[02:13] <thenuke> Puffball: try reinstalling
[02:13] <vices> how do i get some presets for xmmms's equalizer?
[02:14] <thenuke> Puffball: sounds like bad-install to me if it does not work out of the box
[02:14] <youngcoder> how do i find my netBIOS name of my windows computer?
[02:15] <scumbo> selinium, your package directory must be in some sort of inconsistent state, but it sounds like it'd be OK to use the force flag.
[02:15] <Puffball> thenuke: this is my third install, it always does this :/
[02:15] <thenuke> Puffball: tried different media?
[02:15] <thenuke> your install-cd might be bad
[02:16] <Puffball> I used the CDs I got from Ubuntu's ShipIt system.
[02:16] <selinium> scumbo: i have found that on un-installing gambas_1.0.0 it left a load of other packages. I will remove them and see what happens first. Dont want to break my machine just yet!
[02:16] <thenuke> Puffball: btw, paste your /etc/hosts to me with a priv message
[02:16] <Smegzor> if I want to find out anything about my computer, I run Everest Home Edition. (windows) its free.  I don't know if it will tell you want you want though.
[02:16] <osfameron> Puffball: doesn't mean there won't be a problem :-)
[02:16] <thenuke> Puffball: have you tried the livecd?
[02:16] <osfameron> I ended up getting my colleague to burn one on a x2 setting, which worked
[02:17] <scumbo> selinium, did you include the purge flag when you uninstalled?
[02:17] <Puffball> thenuke: I'm booted into Windows, because I'm doing a dual boot, and I can't configure my wifi card in Ubuntu.
[02:17] <thenuke> Puffball: roger.
[02:18] <selinium> scumbo: yep, but it left lots of gambas-* files. they are on there way out now!
[02:18] <thenuke> Puffball: well, you should try to boot the liveCD sometime too to see if it gives you the same error which I doubt it would..
[02:18] <thenuke> Puffball: then it would be most certain that the install-cd is broken
[02:18] <Puffball> Ah
[02:18] <Puffball> Alright, thanks
[02:19] <scumbo> selinium, dropping left behind from before doesn't explain why dpkg knew which package they were associated with.  Something dodgy's going on there.
[02:21] <selinium> scumbo: After uninstalling the gambas-* files, it installed fine... Strange!
[02:21] <scumbo> selinium, ah well.  Just call it a "Windows moment" and move on :-)
[02:22] <selinium> scumbo: not just yet... It cant find it to execute it...
[02:22] <Puffball> thenuke: in the installation, would keeping the hostname blank help?
[02:22] <selinium> scumbo it is showing as installed on synaptic... strange!
[02:23] <selinium> scumbo maybe I need to +x the file?
[02:23] <thenuke> Puffball: really doubt that, cant you download and burn the install c?
[02:23] <Puffball> thenuke: thats what the third install was :P
[02:23] <thenuke> ah ok
[02:23] <thenuke> then this is a bit too weird for me :)
[02:23] <scumbo> selinium, shouldn't need a +x.  What do you see if you do a dpkg --listfiles <pkg-name>?
[02:24] <Puffball> thenuke: I'll set up a windows router to get my Ubuntu installation online, and I'll return the actual /etc/host result in a few.
[02:24] <BiSK-8> hello
[02:24] <scumbo> selinium, you're looking for the appropriate executable in that list.
[02:24] <BiSK-8> can any1 help me with wine?
[02:24] <thenuke> Puffball: ok
[02:25] <BiSK-8> where do the installed files go with wine?
[02:25] <selinium> scumbo: not installed.....? Aaaargh! :)
[02:25] <GBXtra> hi, got a problem after apt update: kernel panic at bootup (Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow_block(3,1))
[02:26] <GBXtra> does anyone know how to fix this
[02:26] <scumbo> selinium.  Ok, let's recap.  You've built a .deb from source.
[02:26] <podge> BiSK-8, What installed files? The windows programs you installed using Wine?
[02:26] <selinium> scumbo: yep
[02:26] <BiSK-8> podge, yes
[02:26] <scumbo> selinium, you've installed it using "dpkg -i"
[02:27] <podge> BiSK-8, Check out your .wine directory.. which should be in your homedir..
[02:27] <scumbo> selinium, and now, dpkg --listfiles says the same package isn't installed?
[02:27] <glyn> My Windows drive went down, how do I enable writing on it from ubuntu?
[02:27] <selinium> scumbo: yes, but it shows as installed in Synaptic!
[02:28] <BiSK-8> podge, i installed the google video viewer, found the installed files and now how do i get it 2 work?
[02:29] <scumbo> selinium, does synaptic have a list files option? (I don't use synaptic)
[02:29] <mohkohn> I am having problems with OpenOffice.org2. My thesaurus is greyed out. How do I install it and get it working? In British English.
[02:29] <selinium> scumbo: i dont usually! trying to learn all the command line stuff.
[02:29] <podge> BiSK-8, Have you read the wine manual? :) I think you do something like..... wine "C:\Program Files\GoogleViewer\gv.exe"  the path will be different for you..
[02:30] <BiSK-8> ok
[02:30] <BiSK-8> tks
[02:30] <selinium> Yes, i can paste them in the bin. One mo
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> anyone knows how to load a bootstrap from grub menu.lst ?
[02:32] <selinium> scumbo: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1827
[02:33] <scumbo> selinium, looks kinda odd.  /opt/gambas/bin isn't a usual standard package path.
[02:34] <selinium> scumbo: I will try and remove it via synaptic.
[02:34] <scumbo> selinium, if you include /opt/gambas/bin in you shell PATH, you should be able to find gambas.
[02:34] <selinium> scumbo: how would i do that?
[02:35] <scumbo> selinium, depends on your shell.  Are you using bash?
[02:35] <selinium> scumbo: yep
[02:35] <bytefoo> which gambas
[02:35] <elver> When running gcc, why the hell do I get "gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory"? Latest Breezy.
[02:36] <scumbo> selinium, then "PATH=$PATH:/opt/gambas/bin" should do.
[02:36] <scumbo> selinium, after that, just typing gambas should start the program.
[02:38] <selinium> scumbo: Strange things are happening to my system, i cant open a nautilus window. I am gonna reboot. c u in 5
[02:38] <GBXtra> does noone know a solution?
[02:38] <scumbo> selinium, OK.
[02:38] <osfameron> GBXtra: repost the question - it's not visible on this page :-)
[02:39] <GBXtra> hi, got a problem after apt update: kernel panic at bootup (Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow_block(3,1))
[02:39] <elver> Why is GCC in Ubuntu broken?
[02:39] <elver> And who do I smack to get it working?
[02:40] <GBXtra> could have something to do with the kernel update, apt did
[02:40] <GBXtra> btw i am using lilo
[02:41] <osfameron> GBXtra: I have no idea myself :-)  but it might be useful to say which version of kernel you upgraded to, in case anyone here knows of a problem with it?
[02:41] <scumbo> elver, gcc worked for me.
[02:42] <GBXtra> 2.6.10-5-686 and -368
[02:42] <elver> scumbo, right. Why is there no cc1plus on my system?
[02:42] <elver> Also, what package does cc1plus come in? I've tried reinstalling the gcc-related packages, but no luck.
[02:43] <selinium> scumbo: that will teach me for having too many shells open. I have just switched off my remote machine!
[02:43] <scumbo> elver, it should be part of the base gcc package (I'm in front of Debian right now, ubuntu's on my other disk)
[02:43] <scumbo> selinium, too many shells?  Never.
[02:44] <elver> scumbo, I've tried reinstalling those. No luck.
[02:45] <elver> elver@eudaimonia:~/ut/arvutigraafika/praktikum1$ gcc praktikum1.cpp gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': No such file or directory
[02:45] <scumbo> elver, have you installed g++?  That's where it is in Debian and there's a good chance it's there in Ubuntu.
[02:45] <selinium> scumbo: Doh, no wonder i was having 'issues' All fine now!
[02:46] <scumbo> selinium, so what *was* the problem?
[02:46] <elver> Ack. Why isn't it in the gcc package? >_<
[02:46] <scumbo> elver, guess it's the C++ part of the compiler package, not plain C.
[02:47] <elver> "gcc" usually stands for "gnu compiler collection", emphasis on the "collection" part...
[02:48] <selinium> scumbo: I believe it was to do with building bits on different machines, not knowing what was installed where and the like. I just uninstalled and reinstalled and it works fine!
[02:48] <scumbo> elver, I guess that's a package naming thing.  Most people wouldn't want (say) Fortran to be there.
[02:50] <scumbo> selinium, glad to hear it's working.  Working with multiple machines at once can mess with your brain.
[02:52] <selinium> scumbo: it has just occured to me. my remote machine is much quicker than my work station. I think i will do the compiles on that machine. Will that cause any problems?
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> anyone knows how to load a bootstrap from grub menu.lst ?
[02:54] <scumbo> selinium, as usual, it depends.  If you have the same OS on both, compilers, libraries, etc., it'll be OK.  Are you sure you'll need that much speed?
[02:54] <NoHope> hello all
[02:54] <NoHope> ubotu tell me about repos
[02:55] <selinium> scumbo: my work station is an athlon 900, the remote machine is an Athlon 64 3000. I am sure it would be a bit quicker! would it make any difference if the OS was k7 or 636?
[02:55] <spiritz> is it possible to use breezy and kde at the same time using kubuntu repositories for kde?
[02:56] <NoHope> spiritz, I see no problem... but it's beta yet, maybe ubuntu experts can tell you.
[02:56] <bytefoo> " Are you sure you'll need that much speed?" <-- wow, that question should NEVER be asked. ever.
[02:57] <spiritz> NoHope: Actually I just tried with a dist-upgrade but now I get hundred of unmet dependencies :s
[02:57] <scumbo> selinium, different kernel or arch won't matter, but unless you're building something big, or often, Athlon 900 will be fast enough.
[02:57] <scumbo> Oh, I've gone and said it again!
[02:57] <bytefoo> :P
[02:57] <NoHope> spiritz, are you on kubuntu:
[02:57] <bytefoo> but you are right ;D
[02:58] <selinium> lol
[02:58] <spiritz> NoHope: sort of, I was on hoary then I installed kubuntu-desktop.
[02:58] <NoHope> spiritz, same as me. Now you want to use Breezy, right?
[02:58] <selinium> scumbo: cheers for all your help and tips. :)
[02:59] <scumbo> selinium, no worries.  Have fun.
[02:59] <spiritz> NoHope: yep... But each time it messes everything up. What about you ? what are you at?
[02:59] <selinium> why did I spend sooo much time with m$
[03:00] <rouven> hello, all! is there a reason for tetex-extra (which contains koma-script) not being included in ubuntu-desktop in breezy?
[03:00] <osfameron> selinium: because you used it at work, it had good apps and tools, and did most of what you wanted it to do ?
[03:00] <NoHope> spiritz, I'm under ubuntu. At home (I'm at work now) I have downloaded kubuntu-desktop too, but I really prefer gnome.
[03:01] <selinium> osfameron: only because i didn't know there was an alternative. I have been programming since getting a BBC Micro 32k first Christmas years ago. No windows there!
[03:01] <spiritz> NoHope: Hehe.... ok I see. As far as I am concerned I prefer KDE... although I never really tried gnome.
[03:02] <spiritz> NoHope: Under gnome I miss wonderful apps such as amarok akregador etc
[03:03] <osfameron> selinium: heh, I loved the BBC micro.  But then again, I also thought Word6 with wordmacros was mindblowing when I first saw it :-)
[03:04] <NoHope> spiritz, you can use qt apps under gnome. I use skype and umbrello sometimes. But sure kde is more beautiful than gnome.
[03:04] <selinium> osfameron: Basic was the first manual i read. IE with out the computer infront of me. I think that was when I resigned myself that I was a bit of a nerd!
[03:04] <spiritz> NoHope: if it's more beautiful then why do u prefer gnome?
[03:05] <NoHope> spiritz, performance, control.
[03:05] <supernix> has anyone noticed a problem with BBcode in FireFox 1.06 ?
[03:05] <podge> selinium, Amos Basic on the Amiga 500 ruled.. :)
[03:05] <NoHope> spiritz, I didn't tried Gtk vs. Qt yet, but Gtk seems better than Qt.
[03:06] <selinium> podge: I had an amiga later, but i was amazed what a tiny processor and bugger all memory could do!
[03:07] <osfameron> I stayed with Acorn and had an Archimedes (actually an A3000, the cheapo knockoff :-)
[03:07] <podge> selinium, Amiga was 10 years ahead of it's time.. modern day consoles work pretty much the same way as it did.. ie.. custom chips etc..
[03:08] <podge> selinium, I still have my A500 and A1200 upstairs.. I boot them up occassionally for the hell of it..
[03:08] <selinium> podge: indeed.It managed to get much more out of its lower spec chip.
[03:08] <podge> selinium, Is there a Linux port for the Amiga 68000? :)
[03:09] <Determinist> bah, the backports repo on mirrormax is horribly slow :/
[03:10] <selinium> podge: I still have my bbc micro somewhere! I remember a friend using the slot in the top for the 'speech chip' as an ashtray! He also piggy backed a chip onto the ram to increase its brain! real low tech stuff! My watch has a bigger procesor!
[03:12] <podge> selinium, But your watch was never really that much fun... (unless your watch is super cool.. hehe)..
[03:12] <selinium> podge: nope, i lost countless days trawling the galaxy as commander selinium on Elite!
[03:13] <osfameron> the BBC had the best game ever invented: XOR
[03:13] <osfameron> which got ported to PC fairly recently, except without the brilliant music
[03:13] <osfameron> wonder if wine will run it...
[03:14] <selinium> osfameron: elite, chucky egg, fra
[03:15] <osfameron> gah, elite was rubbish on Spectrum 48K.  the copy protection was so difficult to use that you'd spend 10 minutes loading it,
[03:15] <osfameron> fail to work out how to use the lens and tuner and then it would crap out.
[03:15] <osfameron> what's fra?
[03:15] <podge> selinium, My lost days (when young) were spent playing cartridge games on the Vic 20. GORF being the main addiction.
[03:16] <thenuke> ah.. gorf..
[03:17] <podge> thenuke, GORF sounds like some strange Unix command.. like awk, sed, grep etc.. heheh..
[03:17] <selinium> I had the old gamebox thing that you plugged into the tv in had two variacs and played different versions a bat and ball
[03:18] <podge> thenuke, A windows guy at work was having some fun with the three letter unix commands the other day..
[03:18] <thenuke> :-] 
[03:19] <thenuke> Awwww.... "what did you say? awk? thought you use windows only"
[03:19] <mumbles> botted up into ubntu for the first tine in 3 /1/2 weeks and theres lots of updates
[03:19] <mumbles> been on holiday
[03:20] <selinium> mumbles: would you rather wait for security patches?
[03:20] <podge> thenuke, He was using the cygwin port... essentially scripting on Windows is braindead with stuff like Cygwin..
[03:20] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start
[03:20] <podge> thenuke, Sorry.. "without stuff like Sygwin"..
[03:20] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start:command not found
[03:20] <[DF2] > can anyone help?
[03:21] <mumbles> selinium,  not complaining but im just glad ive got brodband
[03:21] <selinium> :)
[03:21] <apokryphos> mumbles: just so easy to take it for granted
[03:21] <mumbles> yeh i know
[03:21] <mumbles> i was stuck in africa for 3 weeks
[03:21] <podge> mumbles, The price we pay for Open Source progress.. ! :)
[03:22] <mumbles> what with the powercuts and there dileup crashing most the time :(
[03:22] <podge> mumbles, You could always wait 5 years for the next update to your Windows OS.. ;)
[03:22] <[DF2] > anyone?
[03:22] <podge> mumbles, Africa?
[03:22] <mumbles> yeh... windows sucks
[03:22] <mumbles> yeh The gambia
[03:23] <podge> Has anyone here updated their Hoary to Breezy via apt-get?
[03:24] <apokryphos> podge: I doubt many did it by downloading the ISO somehow ;-)
[03:25] <[DF2] > pls someone
[03:25] <osfameron> how would you take advantage of, say, improvements in hardware detection if you use apt-get ?
[03:25] <osfameron> [DF2] : probably best to ask the question again, can't see what it is without wading through scrollback
[03:25] <podge> apokryphos, Have you updated to Breezy?.. I tried the livecd and it was good..
[03:25] <[DF2] > ive just config all the stuff for pppoe
[03:26] <[DF2] > eciadsl
[03:26] <apokryphos> podge: yes
[03:26] <[DF2] > now i should do adsl-start
[03:26] <[DF2] > but says
[03:26] <twibbler> podge: whats breezy ....
[03:26] <[DF2] > it says adsl-start:command not found
[03:26] <mumbles> right i need to do some work on the windows install now
[03:27] <podge> twibbler, Next version of Ubuntu.. currently in development..
[03:27] <gjoemmie> llo?
[03:27] <twibbler> podge: stable or playful ?... guess playful ...
[03:27] <podge> apokryphos, Did you have any problems after the update?
[03:28] <gjoemmie> Is there anyone who wants to talk to me for 5 minutes about my questions of ubuntu plz?
[03:28] <podge> twibbler, Playful.. :).. of course, everyone should try it out if they can..
[03:28] <nelius> i have a problem with breezy
[03:28] <Ng> gjoemmie: just ask your question, if anyone knows, they will pipe up :)
[03:28] <twibbler> podge thanks must get a play machine ....
[03:28] <apokryphos> podge: a few; you'll be ok if you know what you're doing.
[03:28] <gjoemmie> I want to make a dual boot
[03:29] <gjoemmie> bcuz a friend of mine used this computer with ubuntu
[03:29] <Determinist> is there any way to install a local .deb package using apt-get so that it will download missing packages to satisfy dependencies?
[03:29] <gjoemmie> but i dont understand it, so i wanna dual boot it with windows
[03:29] <nelius> installation of breezy was w.o. problems. but now after the first boot i get no network connections. ifconfig tells me that the interface in setup properly
[03:29] <gjoemmie> how do i dual boot?
[03:29] <podge> gjoemmie, Do you have Windows on the computer already?
[03:29] <gjoemmie> no
[03:29] <gjoemmie> only ubuntu
[03:30] <gustavor> I can't find acroread 7, j2se and w32codes in ubuntu repo. I have restricted, universe and multiverse added to my sources.list. were they recently removed?
[03:30] <gjoemmie> but he gave this laptop to me, but I dont know how to work with it (and i need it tomorrow)
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> !sources
[03:30] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:30] <furic> what would be a command line application to play a wav through esd? something light and quick, suitable for system notifications.
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> gustavor: go see that link
[03:30] <gjoemmie> so he just said: try to dual boot with windows, u'll understand
[03:30] <gustavor> AristoMagnus: I already have all this added
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> ok
[03:30] <AristoMagnus> :x
[03:31] <tdn> I have installed Ubuntu and is impressed by it. There is just one thing that bothers me. It is that it seems to be using som generic driver for mig graphics card. I have a GForce2 GTS/Pro. It should be supported.
[03:31] <brownie17> bob2: i finally managed to get smeg working, but there are still problems
[03:32] <brownie17> bob2: like the fact that any changes i make in the damn thing just dont save!!!
[03:33] <brownie17> bob2: for some reason it wont let me make a new menu, it seems to work fine, but it just doesn't make it
[03:33] <tdn> How do I get Ubuntu to use the correct driver for my GForce2 GTS/Pro?
[03:33] <podge> tdn, I thought you had to download and compile the nvidia drivers?
[03:33] <brownie17> aftertaf
[03:34] <brownie17> aftertaf: i am having some problems with smeg, it works fine but it won't let me make a new menu
[03:34] <mindamp> heres a tough one...
[03:34] <furic> thats an nvidia card right tdn?
[03:34] <nelius> i get "no route to host" if i try to ssh a host out in the net
[03:34] <mindamp> whenever i try to apt-get remove or install ANY package... i get an error from dpkg about nagios
[03:34] <mindamp> and teapop
[03:34] <mindamp> which both should not be installed anymore
[03:34] <mindamp> whats going on?
[03:35] <podge> tdn, Also, use Synaptics to search for nvidia related modules..
[03:35] <mindamp> anyone?
[03:36] <furic> You need to install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <podge> mindamp, What is the error?
[03:36] <mindamp> root@beast:/etc # apt-get remove apache
[03:36] <mindamp> Reading package lists... Done
[03:36] <mindamp> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:36] <mindamp> Package apache is not installed, so not removed
[03:36] <mindamp> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 54 not upgraded.
[03:36] <mindamp> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[03:36] <mindamp> Need to get 0B of archives.
[03:36] <mindamp> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[03:36] <mindamp> Setting up nagios-common (1.3-0+pre6) ...
[03:36] <mindamp> grep: /etc/apache/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[03:36] <mindamp> /usr/sbin/apachectl is not executable, exiting
[03:37] <mindamp> /usr/bin/htpasswd: cannot create file /etc/nagios/htpasswd.users
[03:37] <mindamp> dpkg: error processing nagios-common (--configure):
[03:37] <mindamp>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:37] <mindamp> Setting up teapop (0.3.7-2) ...
[03:37] <mindamp> /var/lib/dpkg/info/teapop.postinst: line 49: /etc/teapop/teapop.passwd: No such file or directory
[03:37] <mindamp> ERROR: Could not edit /usr/share/teapop/teapop.passwd.in -> /etc/teapop/teapop.passwd
[03:37] <mindamp> /var/lib/dpkg/info/teapop.postinst: line 136: /etc/init.d/teapop: No such file or directory
[03:37] <brownie17>  i am having some problems with smeg, it works fine but it won't let me make a new menu, can anyone help me?
[03:37] <mindamp> dpkg: error processing teapop (--configure):
[03:37] <mindamp>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:37] <mindamp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:37] <mindamp>  nagios-common
[03:37] <mindamp>  teapop
[03:37] <mindamp> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:37] <mindamp> root@beast:/etc #
[03:37] <mindamp> fucking sorry
[03:37] <mumbles> mindamp use pastbin
[03:37] <mindamp> didn't mean to do that
[03:37] <brownie17> PASTEBIN!!!!
[03:37] <tdn> podge, hmm... Should I just download and compile the driver from nvidia.com? In Debian I'm am not to use that one.
[03:37] <brownie17> !tell mindamp about pastebin
[03:37] <mumbles> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:37] <mindamp> http://mindamp.org/error
[03:37] <mindamp> errrrr http://mindamp.org/error.txt
[03:38] <mindamp> i hate when people mesg me
[03:38] <mindamp> thats so gay
[03:38] <mindamp> i said i had the wrong damn window
[03:38] <brownie17> language
[03:38] <mindamp> i know about pastbin
[03:38] <mindamp> sorry
[03:38] <podge> tdn, Did you install the nvidia-glx packages?
[03:38] <mindamp> its just annoying
[03:38] <brownie17> forgvine
[03:38] <brownie17>  i am having some problems with smeg, it works fine but it won't let me make a new menu, can anyone help me?
[03:38] <Juhaz> I wouldn't complain about others being annoying after just annoying the hell out of half of the channel, accidentally or no :)
[03:38] <AristoMagnus>  !!!
[03:39] <mindamp> yeh yeh
[03:39] <AristoMagnus> lol
[03:39] <mindamp> did you have an answer juhaz?
[03:39] <tdn> podge, on Ubuntu? No. I haven't. I am doing that now.
[03:40] <AristoMagnus> 
[03:40] <nightswim> because most irc clients suck
[03:40] <mindamp> so can anyone help?
[03:40] <mindamp> http://mindamp.org/error.txt
[03:41] <mindamp> why is that line mucking with nagios.. which shouldn't be installed, and why does apt-get say 2 not fully installed or removed?
[03:41] <mindamp> and how do i fix that?
[03:41] <brownie17> seems like apache allready wasnt installed
[03:41] <brownie17> :)
[03:41] <brownie17> that's allright, i know im a a great help :)
[03:41] <McScruff> lo ,pls help, somehow my storage ext3 partition has been formatted, is there a linux app that can recover it
[03:42] <brownie17> mcscruff: i doubt it, depends on how well it was formatted, how many passes?
[03:42] <mindamp> uhmmm... im not asking about the apache part
[03:42] <Juhaz> sounds like you, or something else, has been mucking around with those files outside package management
[03:42] <mindamp> well i was using dplg
[03:42] <brownie17> mindamp: it's allright, i've got no idea anyway
[03:42] <mindamp> er dpkg
[03:42] <mindamp> but how do i fix that?
[03:42] <znh> hello
[03:42] <McScruff> brownie, i dont even recall doing it, i think a suse install raped it so it would have been 1
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: you used dpkg to install?
[03:43] <mindamp> instead of getting trolled could i get some help with this
[03:43] <mindamp> it was a mistake
[03:43] <mindamp> i was high
[03:43] <brownie17> McSruff: i guess you're best bet is to try synaptic, all the smart people seem ot be not listening right now
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: who said that was a troll?
[03:43] <apokryphos> mindamp: if you did instlal with dpkg, then remove with dpkg
[03:43] <McScruff> i found an app but its a windows app :(
[03:43] <znh> I've installed samba, but I'd like to change the servers description.. it's currently Samba 3.0.10-Ubuntu
[03:44] <mindamp> hmmm
[03:44] <mindamp> ill try that
[03:44] <apokryphos> mindamp: man dpkg
[03:44] <OneSeventeen> I'm trying to use a nautilus script that uses the "sudo" command, but it won't work.  (non-sudo scripts work though)  Is there something I need to do to make them work?
[03:44] <brownie17> Mcsruff: what i want to know is, WHY IN GOD'S NAME WERE YOU TRYING TO DITCH UBUNTU!?
[03:44] <mindamp> remove dpkg?
[03:44] <mindamp> or uninstall with dpkg
[03:44] <podge> McScruff, Was it a quick format?
[03:44] <apokryphos> mindamp: uninstall with dpkg, of course. man dpkg
[03:44] <mindamp> her
[03:44] <mindamp> Yes, do as i say!
[03:45] <McScruff> podge, tbh i have no idea, as i didnt ask for it to be done
[03:45] <mindamp> apokryphos... i tried to uninstall nagios with dpkg
[03:45] <brownie17> i'm going to bed, it's 12am here!
[03:45] <mindamp> but it says its not installed
[03:45] <znh> brownie17: have fun :)
[03:45] <brownie17> znh: :)
[03:46] <apokryphos> mindamp: go to the .deb you tried to install it with, and do dpkg -r {package}.deb
[03:46] <podge> McScruff, Can you still boot into Linux? or it is really bad?
[03:46] <apokryphos> mindamp: or dpkg --purge even better
[03:46] <mindamp> apokyruphos.. i did have a .deb to install it with
[03:46] <mindamp> i don't even remember really using the command
[03:47] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell mindamp about tab
[03:47] <McScruff> podge, it was a storage hdd
[03:47] <mindamp> hah
[03:47] <mindamp> apokryphos, when i try to purge nagios it says its not installed
[03:47] <podge> McScruff, So you can still boot into Linux.. which helps..
[03:47] <McScruff> yep
[03:47] <podge> McScruff, Did you do any Google searching for Linux recovery tools?
[03:47] <McScruff> but an app i found needs windows
[03:47] <rodietze> hi dudes
[03:47] <McScruff> im googleing now
[03:47] <apokryphos> mindamp: with the same deb you tried to install it with? Ok, then it's apparently not installed.
[03:48] <McScruff> and hav been for a few mins
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: ...not with tha .deb, anyway.
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos, i didnt have a .deb
[03:48] <McScruff> im gonna try wine
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: geh
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos, no its GAY
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: how exactly did you use dpkg to install it then...
[03:48] <apokryphos> mindamp: no, it's not gay. :)
[03:48] <mindamp> apokryphos,  i don't think i did
[03:49] <mindamp> apokryphos,  thats why im confused as to why whenever i use apt-get i get that message about dpkg teapop, and nagios
[03:49] <BiSK-8> hello
[03:49] <rodietze> how to get all packages from ubuntu without being by FTP, coz it always stops suddenly
[03:49] <osfameron> ooo, nautilus++ # adding an smb share adds it to the Places menu
[03:49] <mindamp> apokryphos,  which IS gay
[03:49] <podge> McScruff, Windows utilities generally won't know about ext3 filesystems..
[03:49] <apokryphos> mindamp: please don't use that term to describe things being negative.
[03:49] <BiSK-8> how can i get my ipod 2 work on ubuntu?
[03:50] <mindamp> apokryphos,  sorry.. didn't mean to offend you :-)
[03:50] <apokryphos> mindamp: so what's the problem as it stands, that you can't remove apache/
[03:50] <mindamp> apokryphos, not.. i can use apt-get fine...
[03:50] <mindamp> however it always says that sh*t dpkg always says that sh*t about nbagios and teapop
[03:51] <McScruff> podge, this is a windows app that is for recoverying ext2 and ext3
[03:51] <mindamp> that was strange..
[03:51] <twibbler> Now can anybody help me with setting up a link to a samba server please....
[03:51] <mindamp> i meant it always says that crap about nagios and teapop
[03:51] <mindamp> whenever i use apt
[03:52] <osfameron> gnome-- # ffs, why can't you magically open a document from samba?
[03:53] <podge> McScruff, Yeah..? What is it called?
[03:53] <mindamp> twibbler.. what does that mean?
[03:53] <mindamp> a link from windows or linux to the samba server...
[03:53] <infinito> can someone help me configuring alsa?
[03:53] <mindamp> and do you mean a share/mount or what?
[03:53] <mindamp> smbmount
[03:53] <mindamp> man smbmount
[03:53] <twibbler> I have a samba server which I want to setup alink from my laptop to ... so I can play with the files ...
[03:53] <tdn> podge, I have now installed the nvidia package. What do I do now?
[03:54] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[03:54] <tdn> podge, should it just work?
[03:54] <twibbler> mindamp: ubuntu to fedora 3
[03:54] <podge> tdn, As far as I know, you have to restart X?
[03:54] <mindamp> twibbler... man smbmount
[03:54] <mindamp> i wish someone would help me with my problem
[03:54] <tdn> podge, I have tried that. No difference.
[03:55] <twibbler> mindamp: thank you going to install the man docs now ...
[03:55] <mindamp> twibbler... one sec
[03:55] <mindamp> ill pull the exact command for you
[03:55] <McScruff> podge http://www.stellarinfo.com/linux-data-recovery.htm
[03:56] <McScruff> is there a way to get vmware to use my storage hdd as a "real" drive?
[03:56] <apokryphos> mindamp: have you tried doing a sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[03:56] <tdn> podge, shouldn't I be able to see the driver being loaded if I do a dmesg |grep -i nvidia?
[03:57] <mindamp> twibbler.. just install smbmount and run the command
[03:57] <mindamp> it has examples
[03:57] <twibbler> mindamp: thank you ....
[03:57] <mindamp> apokryphos,  i don't wanna configure it, i wanna remove it :-)
[03:58] <apokryphos> mindamp: err, I know. =)
[03:58] <podge> tdn, When you ran glx-gears do they run fast?
[03:58] <mindamp> apokryphos, it says some errors about teapop
[03:58] <mindamp> which shouldn't be installed
[03:58] <mindamp> so i am going to remove the teapop stuff from /var/lib/dpkg/info
[03:58] <tdn> podge, doesn't have glx-gears
[03:59] <tdn> podge, Oh. Yes I have. glxgears even.
[03:59] <mindamp> apokryphos, hah! i removed the teapop stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info and now when i run " dpkg --configure -a " it says setting up teapop....
[03:59] <mindamp> WTF
[03:59] <tdn> podge, it says: ``Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".'' and ``glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.''
[03:59] <apokryphos> mindamp: yes, another broken package installation it seems...
[04:00] <apokryphos> mindamp: let it install and then remove it *properly* with apt
[04:00] <mindamp> ill try that
[04:01] <apokryphos> did you install debian packages or something? Could've happened from you stopping dpkg while it's installing, improperly, I guess.
[04:01] <mindamp> apokryphos,  thats prolly what happend
[04:03] <podge> tdn, So you have all of the nvidia packages installed?
[04:03] <Mustafa^^> hello
[04:03] <podge> tdn, and I think you are right.. you might need to reboot of manually load the kernel modules for the driver to work..
[04:03] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, I have installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings. I do not have installed the nvclock packages for overclocking.
[04:04] <qt2> might someone reccomend a good dvd authoring program for linux?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, Ok. If I reboot now. How do I load the driver manually?
[04:04] <tdn> podge, I also do not have installed nvidia-kernel-source. Should I?
[04:04] <podge> tdn, What about linux restricted modules etc?
[04:05] <Kyral> sudo modprobe <module>
[04:05] <tdn> podge, no. Not the restricted modules. Should I install them?
[04:05] <podge> Does anyone else here have an nvidia graphics card?
[04:05] <Mustafa^^> Help me
[04:05] <Mustafa^^> How to mount Hp Photosmart 735 camera?
[04:06] <Kyral> Plug it in
[04:06] <Kyral> should automount...I think..
[04:06] <Mustafa^^> It doesnt work
[04:06] <Kyral> My Canon Powershot worked :D
[04:06] <apokryphos> ...especially in kde
[04:06] <Kyral> have you installed gphoto?
[04:06] <Mustafa^^> I am using Kubuntu
[04:06] <jatos> hi
[04:07] <CCFIEL> does anybody here know where to get a gaim-vv ( with webcam support )? :)
[04:07] <Kyral> !info gaim-vv
[04:07] <jatos> try gaim.sourceforge.net
[04:08] <jatos> and look uder plugins
[04:08] <podge> tdn: Not sure.. trying to find a help page on the Internet.
[04:08] <tdn> podge, Ok. Thanks.
[04:08] <podge> tdn, nvidia-kernel-common installed?
[04:08] <jatos> but I think you will find that kopete has what you want
[04:08] <CCFIEL> jatos: what do you mean kopete support webcam?
[04:09] <jatos> I beleive kopete messenger supports webcams
[04:09] <apokryphos> jatos: only svn, currently.
[04:09] <apokryphos> 3.5 will
[04:10] <tdn> podge, Yes. nvidia-kernel-common is installed.
[04:10] <CCFIEL> apokryphos: what do you mean i need to compile..
[04:10] <CCFIEL> ?
[04:11] <apokryphos> I mean you'd have a big hassle for it, yes.
[04:11] <jatos> anyone in this room used crossover office
[04:11] <podge> tdn, This might interest you.. http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:11] <CCFIEL> ic..i dont like to compile it..:( just want to apt-get.. :)
[04:13] <tdn> podge, ok. Thanks.
[04:13] <podge> tdn, They are specific instructions for Ubuntu and Nvidia drivers..
[04:16] <Jejjo> hallo
[04:16] <apokryphos> aloha
[04:16] <tdn> podge, yeah I see. I'm trying them now. Thanks.
[04:17] <Jejjo> hi i have a problem accessing shared folder on xp pro from ubuntu. i'm asked for autentication request
[04:18] <Jejjo> if i enter user plus password it doesnt work
[04:18] <Jejjo> is anubody here?
[04:19] <podge> Jejjo, Did you set a password on the XP share?
[04:19] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[04:19] <Jejjo> podge, yep
[04:19] <meeep> heya. how do i get sound to VLC, had the same prob with BMP, but changed output to esound. any cle?
[04:20] <podge> Jejjo, Are you using smbclient? Or something else?
[04:20] <Jejjo> podge, sorry. no. no password on the share. i entered the password of the machine i want to log on but it doesn't seem to work
[04:20] <osfameron> Jejjo: is your username the same on that machine ?
[04:20] <tdn> podge, it worked! Thanks!
[04:21] <tdn> podge, the page is now bookmarked :)
[04:21] <podge> meep: Preferences, Audio... then click the Advanced Options box.. then change the Audio Output Module...
[04:21] <podge> tdn, Good news! :)...
[04:21] <Jejjo> podge, i 've tried surfing from net resources ( i have it in italian but it should be that) i can surfe the share but i can't copy or move files. the user name is the same
[04:22] <podge> Jejjo, Have you checked "allow users to modify my files" on the XP box?
[04:22] <Jejjo> podge, but i've tryed entering dfferent shared folders on different pcs but always no acces from ubuntu
[04:22] <podge> tdn, How fast does GLX gears run? :)
[04:22] <aurax> does anyone knows how to save iptables?
[04:22] <batoms> does anyone else have problems with metacity restarting when a pygtk app opens a dialog
[04:23] <podge> Jejjo, Are you using smbclient?
[04:23] <Jejjo> podge, yes it's possible to modyfy files. i can do it from other xp machines
[04:23] <Jejjo> no smbclient
[04:23] <meeep> podge, i can only type in that field
[04:23] <meeep> what should i typ,e podge?
[04:23] <Jejjo> podge, do i need to start the smbclient?
[04:23] <meeep> nevermind podge, im with stupid :P
[04:23] <podge> meeep, No.. if you move the scrollbar you will have a dropdown box..
[04:24] <tdn> podge, actually not as good as I have hoped for: 5366 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1073.200 FP
[04:24] <meeep> yeah, saw that now. thx alot 4 savin my day, podge!
[04:24] <tdn> podge, +as
[04:24] <tdn> podge, -a
[04:24] <kickrocks> is there a live cd for ia64
[04:24] <podge> meeep, is EsounD output in the list?
[04:24] <meeep> podge, no it isnt :S
[04:25] <podge> Jejjo, Nah.. open a terminal window.. and run  .... smbclient \\<ip>\<share> -U <username>
[04:25] <tdn> podge, They use 100% CPU. When I do not touch the computer, they run ok smoothly, but if I move the mouse (especially in horizontal) the are not running smoothly.
[04:25] <Jejjo> podge, maybe i miss something. must i start a process of smbclient to gain access to shared folders?
[04:25] <meeep> linux something, dummy something, sound for file something. wtf? :S :(
[04:25] <Jejjo> podge, thanks i try
[04:25] <podge> tdn : So you are not happy with 1000+ frames per second? :)
[04:26] <podge> meep: You need to install the esound plugin for vlc..
[04:26] <meeep> ok, podge. ehm... where can i do that? (so ashamed for being newbish)
[04:26] <podge> meep : vlc-esd
[04:26] <meeep> TY :D
[04:26] <podge> meep : apt-get install vlc-esd
[04:26] <tdn> podge, yeah. Thats ok. But I was just hoping for some more :)
[04:27] <podge> tdn: It is an old card (it is exactly the same as mine)..
[04:27] <podge> Jejjo, smbclient is the command line version of mapping shares..
[04:27] <tdn> podge, ok :)
[04:27] <Raskall> hmm.. strange. in breezy: I have norwegian characters in text mode and in login window, but when I am logged in to gnome my norwegian chars is gone
[04:27] <tdn> podge, how much does your card perform?
[04:27] <podge> tdn, It still tuns call of duty pretty well.. :)
[04:27] <meeep> podge! THANKS! you sure are the man today :D now lets watch some jackass :D
[04:28] <tdn> podge, heh ok :)
[04:28] <tdn> podge, if I do not touch the computer for 5 secs it does 17894 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3578.800 FPS
[04:28] <podge> tdn, I am on my laptop at the moment.. so I can't say.. but I also compiled my drivers..
[04:28] <tdn> podge, ok.
[04:28] <podge> meeep, So you now have sound in VLC?
[04:29] <tdn> podge, well... It does tuxracer nicely. Thats good enough for me! :D
[04:29] <meeep> podge. i sure do! thx to you! love #ubuntu and all helpers in here!
[04:29] <podge> tdn, I suspect if you compile your drivers the performance will go up..
[04:29] <tommae> hi, anyone have overclockix 3.8 english and working cd?
[04:29] <tommae> or any download link
[04:29] <tdn> podge, ok. Maybe I'll try that some time. For now I just want to play tuxracer ;)
[04:29] <podge> meeep, VLC is great.. but how do you make it keep it's window size when the movie finishes playing?
[04:30] <podge> tdn, and run the cool OpenGL screensavers.. heheh..
[04:30] <tdn> podge, hehe yea.
[04:30] <meeep> podge, my knowledge aint too good, sorry :/
[04:32] <Jejjo> podge, i get an error \172.16.124.143shared: Not enough '\' characters in service but i have inserted a \ between the ip and the share
[04:32] <LaserLine> Anybody uses BEAGLE here ?? I  get an error trying to load it. here is the error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1830
[04:33] <podge> Jejjo, Sorry.. you can use / instead of \ so .... smbclient //172.16.124.143/shared
[04:34] <Raskall> ahh.. fixed it. had to remove my customized .xmodmap file (had to make one since it didn't work when I first upgraded to breezy)
[04:34] <podge> Raskall, How have you found Breezy?
[04:34] <podge> Raskall, Is it good?
[04:34] <LaserLine> Anyone has a clue why Beagle doesn't work - I just apt-get install beagle..... here is the error http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1830
[04:34] <podge> LaserLine, Sorry.. I can't help..
[04:34] <Raskall> podge: been running breezy without problems other than kb for about a month now
[04:35] <Raskall> podge: not a lot of differences yet.
[04:36] <podge> Raskall, I tried the LiveCD on my laptop and it functioned better with the custom buttons..
[04:36] <NoHope> hey, where is smbmount?
[04:37] <podge> Raskall, I need to sit down and have a play with it..
[04:37] <podge> NoHope, You need the smbfs package installed..
[04:38] <NoHope> podge, thx.
[04:38] <podge> Raskall, What kernel does it come with and what version of gnome?
[04:38] <Jejjo> podge, i seem to gain acces now. thanks. even though i get this error message: " params.c:Section() - Badly formed line in configuration file: ]  params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse() smbclient: Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it" but then i get the password prompt and a
[04:38] <Kyral> Kernel is always in flux it seems
[04:38] <Jejjo> podge, i enter machine
[04:38] <Kyral> but the 2.6.12 series
[04:39] <Kyral> GNOME 2.11.something like 10
[04:39] <podge> Jejjo, Are you able to create a directory on the share?
[04:39] <wolki> does someone here have problems connecting to googletalk, too? Sometimes it works, but most of the time gaim tells me error while reading
[04:39] <podge> Kyral, The new gnome improvements sound good..
[04:39] <Kyral> wolki, sometimes
[04:40] <Jejjo> podge, yes mkdir works. how can i have this loaded by defauld so i dont need to enter command for each share. i have many shared folders on many different machines
[04:40] <Kyral> I need to download and burn Colony3 today
[04:40] <Kyral> I want to try out the graphical install
[04:40] <wolki> Kyral: i get it most of the time, then i wait an hour and it might work... i wonder whether it's a local problem or their servers are overloaded. Very annoying is that metacity seems to crash each time it fails on breezy...
[04:41] <Kyral> eh I wouldn't know
[04:41] <podge> Jejjo, Are you able to create a directory when you browse to the share using gnome?
[04:41] <Kyral> I tend to keep a constant connection
[04:41] <Jejjo> wolki, googletalk for linux?
[04:41] <wolki> Jejjo: using their server with gaim
[04:42] <wolki> Kyral: yeah, once i'm connected it stays for hours... bizzarre
[04:42] <Jejjo> podge, it requests access autentication
[04:42] <LaserLine> Anyone here uses Beagle ??
[04:43] <podge> Jejjo, Yeah... so you type in the username and password... can you then create a directory?
[04:43] <Jejjo> podge, i do but i get prompted again and again. username  and pws don't work
[04:44] <djp> can anybody here help me with the compile and install of gens under hoary? the reason i ask is it is, the only piece of software that i have to install from source, due to lack of any deb file in the ubuntu repos. i really do not have any idea what i need to do, but really would like to have the emulator working as it is the best mega drive/genesis emu available
[04:45] <podge> Jejjo, Can you try the "Connect to Server..." option in the Places menu.. Then change the Sevice type to Windows share... fill in details.. .... is it successful then?
[04:46] <Jejjo> podge, my username on xp is usertest password is passtest. i enter it and i get again authentication required. "you must log in to access usertest@xppro/shared"
[04:46] <Xappe> hmm, is there no usplash in breezy ppc?
[04:46] <Jejjo> podge, i try
[04:46] <chrissturm> djp: it seems that gens is windows only
[04:47] <podge> Jejjo, The gnome network browser isn't sending the details through properly if smbclient is working correctly.. just have to work out what format gnome network requires..
[04:47] <djp> chrissturm: no it is available for gnu/linux. i have used it under suse and fedora. there are rpm files available for both distros.
[04:48] <chrissturm> djp: found it
[04:48] <djp> chrissturm: i know, difficult to locate on the official web page!
[04:48] <djp> chrissturm: i'm looking for it now...
[04:50] <wolki> djp: dgen is in the repos, for backup, should you not get gens to work
[04:51] <u_int32_t> hey i cant get my wifi to associate with any router... i read the howto on the wiki and that didnt help, what can i try
[04:52] <djp> wolki: sure thanks. i have tried that emu, but itof the "two" games i really want to play, one of them, dr. robotnik's mean bean machine, does not display the falling beans properly... :(
[04:52] <djp> wolki: otherwise, i would have stuck with that... i know that gens and generator both work with mean bean machine
[04:53] <Determinist> amule isnt letting me write files to /mnt/winxpdat, says permittion denied. i've chmod the dir to be 777 but still
[04:53] <wolki> basic procedure for installing from source: install "checkinstall", get and unpack the file. "./configure", look for the missing dependencies, install them, repeat the last two steps until configure finishes, "make", "sudo checkinstall"
[04:54] <wolki> djp: might be, i have that game here but play sonic most of the time... stopped that too since i finally bought a dreamcast
[04:54] <djp> wolki: i love my dreamcast!
[04:54] <podge> Determinist, Does the ntfs driver allow you to write to windows drives?
[04:55] <Determinist> podge: FAT32, not NTFS ;)
[04:55] <djp> wolki: is there a special package that needs to be installed for compiling and installing packages?
[04:55] <Jejjo> podge, it doesn't help having gnome in italian! :( . i tryed so; service tipe windows share. server: machinenamei want to access. share: shared folder name.  folder: again sharedfolder name, username: machineshareusername. name to be used for connection: again username. but when i get the password prompt the password is not correct.
[04:55] <podge> Determinist, Okay...
[04:55] <wolki> djp: me too... and how can you say no to 10 plus 10 shipping
[04:56] <tdn> Right now I have a 2.6.10-5-386 kernel. I would like to upgrade to one that is optimized for my CPU (AMD Athlon 1400MHz). How do I do that on Ubuntu?
[04:56] <wolki> djp: build-essential, and one of the automakes, i think. checkinstall is recommended, as it will create a deb before installing it so you can remove it easily (a big pain if you just "make install")
[04:57] <wolki> djp: usually compiling is not that hard, some programs might be difficult though
[04:57] <podge> Jejjo, It is interesting that gnome won't let you in .... but smbclient does..
[04:57] <rp78> hi all
[04:57] <wolki> hi rp78
[04:57] <OneSeventeen> how do I add an application to the "Applications" menu in gnome?
[04:58] <wolki> OneSeventeen: in hoary, you need to install smeg, look at the forums
[04:58] <monkster> greetings
[04:58] <djp> cheers wolki
[04:59] <rp78> anyone please help me with multimedia codecs
[04:59] <podge> Determinist, Did you mount the drive manually.. maybe it is mounted read-only?
[05:00] <kayfelix> Hello!
[05:00] <kayfelix> Anyone know how I can access my Hauppage WinTV card?
[05:00] <qt2> might someone reccomend a good dvd authoring program for linux?
[05:00] <Xappe> kayfelix: use tvtime
[05:00] <OneSeventeen> wolki: thanks!  got it and it works great
[05:00] <Determinist> podge: mounted from fstab using this: /dev/hda5       /mnt/winxpdat   vfat            rw,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000   0       0
[05:00] <kayfelix> Xappe: tvtime opens and closes.
[05:01] <kayfelix> Xappe: normal for a program i know, but the delay between the two is only like 200ms...
[05:01] <Xappe> kayfelix: hmm, strange. I've never had any problems with my wintv pci in ubuntu
[05:01] <kayfelix> kubuntu?
[05:02] <NoHope> hey, [apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird]  is trying to download from the cdrom, how to download it from the web?
[05:02] <Xappe> kayfelix: no, i'm using gnome
[05:02] <kayfelix> can I pm you Xappe?
[05:02] <Xappe> yes
[05:02] <podge> Determinist, Umm... if you open a Root Terminal are you able to cd into the directory and create files?
[05:03] <Determinist> of course
[05:03] <podge> Determinist, but not as a user..
[05:03] <podge> Determinist,  ???
[05:04] <kayfelix> Xappe: did you get the pm?
[05:04] <Determinist> podge: havent checked that, but it shows the dir owner is root. has the right permissions tho... 777
[05:05] <Xappe> kayfelix: not if you pasted already
[05:05] <kayfelix> i did not
[05:05] <Xappe> kayfelix: use the pastebin
[05:05] <Xappe> ok
[05:05] <kayfelix> pastebin? where do I find that?
[05:06] <kayfelix> !info pastebin
[05:06] <podge> Determinist, So can you CD into the /mnt/winxpdat area and see your windows files?
[05:06] <Bubblefly> Hmmm... If/When I dist-upgrade to Breezy, would all my personal setting still be around, or would I have to set up everything again? :3
[05:06] <kayfelix> !pastebin
[05:06] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:06] <kayfelix> Xappe: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1832
[05:08] <kayfelix> & to anyone else who cares to look and tell me how to sort out my WinTV card...
[05:08] <kayfelix> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1832
[05:11] <AristoMagnus> little question: Carolina is in wich state in us
[05:11] <avalost> AristoMagnus: there are two states with carolina
[05:11] <AristoMagnus> oh
[05:11] <AristoMagnus> :|
[05:11] <avalost> north carolina and south carolina
[05:11] <avalost> I live in south carolina
[05:11] <AristoMagnus> the one with the phone 714
[05:12] <avalost> do an area code lookup
[05:12] <AristoMagnus>  California  	 Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego, San Francisco
[05:12] <AristoMagnus> its not carolina
[05:12] <AristoMagnus> :s
[05:13] <AristoMagnus> huh
[05:13] <AristoMagnus> what the..
[05:13] <AristoMagnus> In usa, the area code can be in more than one state?
[05:13] <AristoMagnus> city
[05:13] <avalost> yes
[05:14] <avalost> my old area code 518 covered like 80% of new york state
[05:14] <AristoMagnus> huh
[05:14] <AristoMagnus> how can it be possible
[05:14] <AristoMagnus> here in montreal, we need more 514 area !
[05:14] <AristoMagnus> so we will have to get 2 area code just for 1 city
[05:15] <OneSeventeen> when I boot up and shut down, I just have a black screen until gdm starts, this all happened after compiling a custom kernel, is this a common issue?  if so, how do I correct it?
[05:15] <boodle> Hi.. anyone else seeing problems in breezy's evolution when moving messages to different folders and folder updates in general?
[05:15] <morale> (EE) fglrx(0): R200DRIScreenInit failed (DRI version = 5.0.0, expected 4.1.x). Disabling DRI. - what does this mean when i try to startx?.. How do I built X.org with DRI 4.1.x.. instead of 5?
[05:16] <kandoora> does any one have the hsfmodem file for x86 from linuxant
[05:17] <JRlinux> Tried Live Ubuntu for 64 and no sound.  I was going to install Ubuntu, but if there is no sound... maybe not.
[05:17] <Determinist> podge: yes, i can
[05:18] <none_-> is it safe to upgrade to breezy via the repositories? is breezy analogous to debian unstable?
[05:18] <thenuke> none_-: safe? no.
[05:19] <thenuke> none_-: breezy is not the stable one, so it is not safe
[05:19] <kayfelix> Xappe: hey im back
[05:19] <avalost> how far is breezy from release?
[05:19] <Xappe> morale: that's a known bug in breezy. they're working on it...
[05:19] <thenuke> avalost: few months I guess
[05:19] <none_-> my question is whether or not you can update via the repositories
[05:20] <Gorullaz> i have configured my nvidia geforce card so that tv out also works as twinview. but now i need to learn to make videos maximize in TV and use monitor to do other work. is that possible?
[05:20] <avalost> none_-: I don't see why not
[05:20] <thenuke> none_-: yes you can upgrade to breezy if you want to
[05:20] <podge> Determinist, Sorry... I have to go.. I am sorry that I cannot stay to finish helping...
[05:20] <none_-> cool
[05:20] <igorcar> how to set up splash screen on ubuntu?
[05:20] <none_-> just making sure i didn't have to use CVS or somesuch
[05:20] <avalost> igorcar: check the wiki
[05:21] <none_-> thanks
[05:21] <thenuke> none_-: you just cant wait few months :9
[05:21] <thenuke> none_-: ?
[05:21] <igorcar> pls tell me
[05:21] <none_-> not really.. i switched from debian unstable to ubuntu.. i prefer bleeding edge
[05:22] <igorcar> PLS
[05:22] <none_-> some of the software in hoary is outdated
[05:22] <igorcar> TELL ME, DAMNWITHKIT
[05:22] <Gorullaz> hi, can anyone help me.
[05:23] <thenuke> none_-: yeah, well if you know how to fix your system when it brokes you are free to do the upgrading :9
[05:24] <igorcar> this is ubuntu channel
[05:24] <igorcar> damned
[05:24] <igorcar> you assholes!
[05:24] <glyn> lol
[05:24] <thenuke> igorcar: you stupid!
[05:24] <avalost> igorcar: take a hike
[05:24] <igorcar> just fuck off, all of you,
[05:24] <igorcar> !!!
[05:24] <ubotu> it has been said that ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:24] <thenuke> igorcar: what makes you think we know everything?
[05:25] <avalost> igorcar: go back to your third world country and learn proper english before trying to insult us :)
[05:25] <jatos> if someone speaks to us like that why bother speaking to them?
[05:25] <jatos> I see I am not the only one thinking that..
[05:25] <igorcar> yeah
[05:25] <thenuke> igorcar: please leave us be and go get kick&bans from channel like #debian, there is also ppl who knows how to use bootsplashes
[05:25] <igorcar> you are stupid
[05:25] <igorcar> FUCK YOUUUUU !
[05:25] <chrissturm> igorcar, if you dont like it here, leave
[05:25] <igorcar> you motherfuckers\
[05:26] <igorcar> you can ban me
[05:26] <glyn> this is funny
[05:26] <avalost> haha
[05:26] <igorcar> but
[05:26] <avalost> this IS funny
[05:26] <igorcar> avalost: reci to svojoj mami!
[05:26] <thenuke> igorcar is my 4 year old boy, I'm sorry :D
[05:26] <chrissturm> but you will still have no splashscreen
[05:26] <thenuke> He's still learning the IRC :D
[05:26] <avalost> igorcar:  type rm -rf $HOME
[05:26] <rp78> anyone who has a driver for epson c45
[05:26] <igorcar> thenuke: retardu
[05:26] <avalost> then fix your bootsplash :)
[05:26] <thenuke> igorcar: you must have meant 'retardo'
[05:27] <igorcar> no
[05:27] <igorcar> retardu
[05:27] <BollocksMacenzie> How do you create a custom graphical login?
[05:27] <avalost> yeah, 'retardu' is idiot for 'retarded' :)
[05:27] <jatos> wheres the ops when you need them?
[05:28] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: read the docs
[05:28] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: for graphical login managers
[05:28] <igorcar> OPS ARE GONE
[05:28] <igorcar> FUCK YOU!
[05:28] <avalost> any of you people using e17?
[05:28] <igorcar> FUCK YOU!
[05:28] <igorcar> MOTHERFUCKERS!
[05:28] <BollocksMacenzie> thenuke: Why do people say stuff like that! If I found anything usefull before now, I wouldn't have asked!
[05:28] <igorcar> fuck fuck fuck fuck
[05:28] <igorcar> fuck off
[05:29] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: excuse me?
[05:29] <BollocksMacenzie> thenuke: Why do people say stuff like that! If I found anything usefull before now, I wouldn't have asked!
[05:29] <jatos> hey ,lets ignore him
[05:29] <sepmike> someone  ddos igorcar please
[05:29] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: excuse me?
[05:29] <igorcar> BollocksMacenzie: cause they don't want to answer to your questions
[05:29] <jatos> I got an either better suggestion...
[05:29] <chrissturm>  igorcar!*@* added to ignore list.
[05:29] <igorcar> they want to ..
[05:29] <igorcar> jebte se svi bre
[05:30] <thenuke> right! that is what we want! svi bre!
[05:30] <BollocksMacenzie> thenuke: Checked docs, that's my point! If they said how to create custom ones I wouldn't have asked!
[05:30] <jatos> theres no ops here so why don't he all go into a second channel till hes gone for now, then come back when hes got the message we are not bothered
[05:30] <avalost> fist of all nobody here owes it to you to give you help, if you're either too lazy to try and help yourself or too much of an ass to deserve help you prolly won't get any
[05:30] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: but did not try google?
[05:30] <avalost> BollocksMacenzie: there is plenty of info on the wiki
[05:31] <CarlFK> avalost - watch the language
[05:31] <avalost> CarlFK: have you been sleeping?
[05:31] <CarlFK> just woke up
[05:31] <CarlFK> so yes.
[05:31] <avalost> yeah, scroll up.
[05:31] <sepmike> read ^^
[05:32] <arachnion> hello
[05:32] <BollocksMacenzie> thenuke: Yes, I tried Google!
[05:32] <arachnion> I was here yesterday with a sound problem
[05:32] <BollocksMacenzie> avalost: There's nothing on the wiki!
[05:33] <thenuke> BollocksMacenzie: how do you suppose every other dude made those things then if there just is no docs :D
[05:33] <avalost> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=splash&titlesearch=Titles
[05:33] <arachnion> lunitik, o/
[05:34] <arachnion> yesterday I had no sound
[05:34] <arachnion> now, my sound is just noise
[05:34] <arachnion> and it's responding to events, it seems
[05:34] <djfm> Hi
[05:34] <arachnion> certain noises are created when I hold down a key, move my mouse...
[05:35] <djfm> how can I temporarily disable the sound server?
[05:35] <avalost> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1586287
[05:35] <djfm> I have games that have no sound
[05:35] <JRlinux> Another try:  I need a linux for my Compaq AMD64 computer.  Wanted to install Ubuntu, but the live Ubuntu does NOT do sound.  How hard might it be to fix that?
[05:38] <jatos> very, in fact your best bet is just to put kubuntu on second partition JRlinux
[05:38] <jatos> *ubuntu
[05:38] <Xappe> djfm: killall esd
[05:39] <djfm> thanks
[05:39] <djfm> and to start it again.?
[05:39] <Xappe> djfm: just type esd and press enter
[05:39] <djfm> great
[05:43] <JRlinux> jatos   You mean that kubuntu might be more likely to do the sound?
[05:43] <jatos> no, that was typo
[05:44] <JRlinux> ok
[05:44] <toran> hey guys... I'm trying to compile a program, and its configure script can't find openal on my system. I have libopenal0 and libopenal-dev installed, though
[05:44] <aTypical> Hi, all.  Where can I get the Colony-3 iso?  The US server I saw only has Colony-2.
[05:45] <JRlinux> jato, I already have Mepis on one partition.  Maybe I should settle for Mepis for sound and Ubuntu for speed and recognition of all the ports...
[05:46] <toran> http://pastebin.com/352897
[05:46] <toran> what's going on?
[05:46] <jatos> hmm, I think you will find you get sound if you insta.ll ubuntu instead of using live
[05:48] <sepmike> can anyone help me get my wifi card working ?
[05:48] <Poprocks> anyone know why the ~/.forward file is needed for procmail w/ postfix on ubuntu?
[05:48] <Poprocks> sepmike: what's the problem
[05:48] <JRlinux> jatos, that is encouraging.  I think I might try it.  I find some Mepis folks cynical of Ubuntu, but I cannot get a clear reason why.  I kinda like what I have seen of it.
[05:49] <sepmike> Poprocks: no leds
[05:49] <Rondom> ich versuche gerade sk98lin nach der anleitung von https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sk98lin zu installieren. der sagt mir aber bei der installation, dass die gcc-version irgendwie falsch ist
[05:49] <Rondom> [17:39]  <Rondom> Check kernel gcc version (3.3.5) (Kernel:3.3.5 != gcc:(Debian) [Failed] 
[05:49] <Rondom> sorry
[05:49] <toran> JRlinux: I've tried several distros, ubuntu is definately my favorite
[05:49] <toran> it has all the best of debian, with loads of ease of use
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[05:49] <toran> ;-)
[05:49] <Poprocks> sepmike: you attach it and it doesn't light up?
[05:50] <jatos> JRlinux: What do you expect, its the normal rivally you get the world over for in various situations
[05:50] <sepmike> yeah it's inserted and cardctl status cshows status socket 0: 3.3v cardbus card function 0: [ready] 
[05:50] <Rondom> I'm trying to install sk98lin using the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sk98lin bit I get "Check kernel gcc version (3.3.5) (Kernel:3.3.5 != gcc:(Debian) [failed] "
[05:50] <Rondom> how do I fix that?
[05:51] <Xorlev> JRlinux: The Linux world is fiercly competitive...though I don't see the point.
[05:51] <Poprocks> sepmike: ... yet it's not lit up?
[05:51] <sepmike> correct
[05:51] <MarkAngels> Hi, will the Gigabyte GN-WBKG (wifi usb2 dongle) work in Ubuntu? Or where can I find that sort of information?
[05:51] <toran> http://pastebin.com/352897
[05:51] <toran> could someone take a look at that?
[05:52] <sepmike> dmesg shows eth1 cound not install irq handler
[05:52] <Poprocks> sepmike: on windows does it usually always have a light on or only if it sees a hotspot?
[05:52] <sepmike> it'll search
[05:52] <sepmike> light up
[05:52] <Poprocks> are you using ndiswrapper?
[05:52] <dabar> Rondom: installed build-essential?
[05:53] <sepmike> it's wg511
[05:53] <sepmike> native support
[05:53] <sepmike> it runs on my other lappy default install
[05:53] <sepmike> i think this might be a cause
[05:53] <sepmike> part of the dmesg
[05:53] <James-C> Silly question: Do you know what ubuntu package provides the 'configure' program you use when compiling a program (configure, make, make install) from scratch?
[05:53] <sepmike> no irq know for interrupt pin a of device blah blah
[05:53] <sepmike> please try using pci=biosirq
[05:54] <Poprocks> have you tried that?
[05:54] <sepmike> well
[05:54] <sepmike> where do I put it?
[05:54] <Poprocks> sepmike: in your grub config
[05:54] <dabar> toran: what gives you the error?
[05:54] <sepmike> /boot/grup?
[05:54] <sepmike> *b
[05:54] <toran> ./configure of a program
[05:54] <tvo> James-C: configure is a script in the package you compile, that's why you do ./configure (note the ./)
[05:54] <toran> I'm trying to install it
[05:54] <Poprocks> sepmike: yes, on your kernel line
[05:55] <dabar> tell James-C about configure.
[05:55] <sepmike> i'm not sure exact what file to do it to
[05:55] <dabar> oh, nm.
[05:55] <sepmike> i'm rather new to ubuntu
[05:55] <Poprocks> sepmike: in /boot/grub/menu.lst -- look for a line that reads "#kopt"
[05:55] <Rondom> dabar: yes
[05:55] <James-C> tvo: ahhh.
[05:55] <Poprocks> it will be a commented line -- for instance mine reads:
[05:55] <Poprocks> # kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro resume=/dev/hda1
[05:55] <sepmike> ah lilo
[05:56] <arachnion> I'm still having sound problems, anybody here that knows something about sound devices etc?
[05:56] <James-C> tvo: the README says configure, the file in this case is named configure.ac  *doh* it is always something obvious... *sigh*
[05:56] <Poprocks> don't uncomment it but add pci=biosirq to it, so like # kopt=pci=biosirq
[05:56] <sepmike> I use lilo
[05:56] <Poprocks> oh
[05:56] <sepmike> well
[05:56] <Poprocks> then it should be /etc/lilo.conf
[05:57] <tvo> James-C: configure.ac is the input file for autoconf, which generates ./configure script from it
[05:57] <bina> is there a fast way to find out how many lines are in a text file?
[05:57] <dabar> man wc bina
[05:57] <bina> dabar: thanks
[05:58] <dabar> ya!
[05:58] <mindamp> question.. whenever i "apt-get install apache2" everything goes find with the exception that its not adding apache2 to /etc/init.d
[05:58] <mindamp> what can I do to fix this?
[05:58] <sepmike> there is no kopt line in lilo conf
[05:58] <Poprocks> right, it's "append="
[05:58] <Poprocks> let me check
[05:58] <dabar> mindamp: is httpd in that folder?
[05:58] <Xappe> any ppc breezy users here?
[05:58] <bina> dabar: generated an 800MB text file. v proud :)
[05:58] <James-C> tvo: hrmm, very strange, I'm going to go find the tar elsewhere to see if I can find one with a ./configure in it then.
[05:59] <dabar> bina: whats in it? a life story;)?
[05:59] <tvo> James-C: it's not a daily-snapshot or something a like, they often require some extra commands (autoconf etc.) to install?
[05:59] <arachnion> can anyone help me with some sound problems here?
[06:00] <tvo> James-C: I have to go now, dinnertime
[06:00] <meuserj|work> James-C, try to run the autogen.sh script
[06:00] <meuserj|work> James-C, if there is one that is...
[06:00] <bina> dabar: lol, i got bored earlier n made a java prog that goes through the alphabet 26 times, so i get aaaaa...a aaaaa....b aaaaaa.c etc etc.  been going at it for hours
[06:00] <dabar> we dont know anything about your issue, arachnion, thus, we can not know whether we can help you.
[06:00] <arachnion> ok dabar
[06:00] <bina> 51,883,485 Lines
[06:00] <sepmike> arachnion select asla
[06:01] <arachnion>  cardI have no sound, using an on board AC
[06:01] <arachnion> Num lock
[06:01] <sepmike> mindamp there is a good step by step apache2 install guide the forum
[06:01] <arachnion> I have no sound, using an on board AC97 card
[06:01] <sepmike> arachnion select asla
[06:01] <arachnion> switched to alsa already
[06:01] <Poprocks> sepmike: just add a line to the top of lilo.conf, append= "pci=biosirq"
[06:01] <orangey> hey all!
[06:01] <dabar> bina: ah, ok, yes,  *generated*
[06:02] <orangey> is there a backport of 2.6.13 for hoary, by chance?
[06:02] <mindamp> sepmike... i know how to install apache2
[06:02] <bina> dabar :)
[06:02] <Poprocks> sepmike: then run lilo and reboot
[06:02] <mindamp> its as simple as "apt-get install apache2" and normally it install the init.d script as well... however mine is not doing that
[06:02] <mindamp> and im wondering why
[06:02] <arachnion> apt-get installed libesd-alsa0, switched in System >> Pref >> multimedia select
[06:02] <mindamp> anyone have any suggestions?
[06:02] <James-C> meuserj|work: Ah, I think tvo was right and the more stable package is complete and has ./configure
[06:02] <mindamp> like a special argument for apt-get?
[06:03] <Seveas> mindamp, there is no argument to exclude an instscript
[06:03] <dabar> mindamp: I dont think so, wana paste your /etc/init.d to seveas' pastebin?
[06:04] <arachnion> is there anything else that should be said dabar ?
[06:04] <aeno> hi, what tv-card program do you recommend for hauppauges old tv-cards?
[06:04] <mindamp> dabar.. why would i do that?
[06:04] <mindamp> there is no apache2 there...
[06:04] <GNAM> what about kubuntu betas?
[06:04] <mindamp> and i don't wanna exclude the initscript... i wanna include the init script
[06:05] <mindamp> are you guys listening?
[06:05] <dabar> arachnion: paste amixer output to paste.ubuntulinux.org I can try seeing whether there is something I could tell from it.
[06:05] <darkheart> mindamp It might be in /usr/share, or /usr/libexec
[06:05] <meeep> how can i make UTF-8 work for others? i see special letters myself, but others sees only ascii-code with irc. what should i do? :S
[06:06] <Seveas> mindamp, where did you install apache2 from? ubuntu repository?
[06:06] <dabar> mindamp: well, if there is not script to exclude it, then it should not have been excluded because of that reason, I think that is what seveas though.
[06:06] <Seveas> if so - the initscript is included. EOD.
[06:06] <dabar> mindamp: what are you trying to do tho? tried sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start or something?
[06:06] <RedGhost[DENTIST> ok so i downloaded the limewire .rpm, then i converted it to a .deb with alien, now i do dkpg install <name> right?
[06:06] <bur[n] er> anyone using rhythmbox .9 and find the search box a crash trigger?
[06:06] <glyn> Global controls will have to be imposed..and a world governing body will be created to enfroce them
[06:06] <bur[n] er> RedGhost[DENTIST: theoretically, yes :)
[06:06] <dabar> RedGhost[DENTIST: use the .bin, I say.
[06:07] <Hoxzer> can I somehow install ubuntu without destroying my windows XP install?
[06:07] <mindamp> what are you guys talking about?
[06:07] <bur[n] er> Hoxzer: resize your XP partition using qtparted
[06:07] <mindamp> i tried to apt-get install apache2 ... everything went fine
[06:07] <RedGhost[DENTIST> is there a .bin listed on the site?
[06:07] <mindamp> however it did not start apache2
[06:07] <arachnion> I just posted it on pastebin dabar, your link 404'd: http://pastebin.com/352910
[06:07] <RedGhost[DENTIST> i never saw one
[06:07] <mindamp> i looked in /etc/init.d
[06:07] <Hoxzer> Bur: ok, can I have guide for that?
[06:07] <spine55> where does ubutnu log sshd login attempts?
[06:07] <mindamp> and sure enough no apache2 initscript
[06:07] <dabar> mindamp: try sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start.
[06:07] <mindamp> forget it
[06:07] <aeno> Hoxzer, yes if you install to other partition
[06:07] <meeep> !proftpd
[06:07] <ubotu> meeep: I give up, what is it?
[06:07] <mindamp> dabar
[06:08] <mindamp> your not listening.. there is no /etc/init.d/apache2
[06:08] <dabar> arachnion: ya, its paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:08] <mindamp> when i run invoke-rc.d it says there is no /etc/init.d/apache2
[06:08] <aeno> but can you help me with tv-card program? I don't know what to look for, any names you could give?
[06:08] <mindamp> awtv
[06:09] <aeno> thanks
[06:09] <Seveas> spine55, /var/log/auth.log perhaps
[06:09] <aeno> hmm looks like my sources aren't complite
[06:09] <arachnion> should I put it on paste.ubuntulinux.nl too dabar ?
[06:09] <aurax> i got an issue, i want to connect to my office, and have the ability to remote control the workstation which are winxp
[06:09] <aurax> what should i start with ?
[06:09] <Seveas> aeno: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:10] <Seveas> aurax, applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[06:10] <aeno> thanks!
[06:10] <Hoxzer> bur[n] er: hmmm, seems like qtparted is only for linux
[06:10] <bur[n] er> Hoxzer: boot a livecd with qtparted on it ;)
[06:10] <Hoxzer> ok
[06:10] <aurax> Seveas ?
[06:10] <Hoxzer> this is gonna be hard :E
[06:10] <Seveas> aurax ?
[06:10] <aurax> name me the ports
[06:11] <aurax> please
[06:11] <mindamp> aeno... "apt-get install xawtv"
[06:11] <aurax> i want to remote admin my workstations @ office
[06:11] <aurax> not the server
[06:11] <Seveas> ah ok
[06:11] <aurax> ;)
[06:11] <spine55> Seveas: Thanks ... I keep seeing refrences to /var/log/secure on the net
[06:11] <Seveas> windows remote desktop uses 33890
[06:11] <aurax> i was thinking about dial in to the office
[06:11] <mindamp> ok.. even bigger problem now
[06:11] <Quinthius> hi all, what would you guys say is a suitable size for /var on a non-server typical desktop system? i tried 500mb and that wasn't even enough to finish installation...
[06:11] <aurax> then have the ability to surf the internal net
[06:11] <mindamp> apt-get install apache2 ... isn't even creating the /etc/apache2 directory...
[06:11] <mindamp> what the hell?
[06:11] <aurax> and remote admin of course
[06:12] <Seveas> mindamp, dpkg -P apache2
[06:12] <Seveas> double-check your sources.list
[06:12] <dabar> arachnion: nono, thats fine, I dont know what you can do about the sound. You could try using alsamixer in a terminal, and playing with the controls, but remember to return it to how it was if you dont fix it. m mutes/unmutes
[06:12] <Seveas> and then install it
[06:12] <LasseL> ubuntu-unregged setup is driving me nuts!
[06:12] <arachnion> :( ok, thanks for looking dabar
[06:12] <Seveas> LasseL, it's driving everyone nuts
[06:12] <Seveas> but spam is worse
[06:13] <dabar> sure, I am really a beginner with the sound thing...so I know very few things. ask crimsun if you see him, that will likely fix your issue.
[06:13] <LasseL> Seveas, but now unregistered nicks can no longer send PMs
[06:13] <aurax> so does anyone has a solution about remote admin windows workstation with ubuntu server?
[06:13] <dabar> VNC?
[06:13] <Seveas> LasseL, you can disable that filter
[06:13] <dabar> I dont know, but it sounds that is how you would go about it, aurax.
[06:14] <aurax> vnc..
[06:14] <aurax> uhm
[06:14] <Seveas> aurax, you're not making 100% sense about your setup
[06:14] <LasseL> Seveas, I would that that and a flood protection bot would be enough to protect agains spammers?
[06:14] <darkheart> aurax What are you trying to do?
[06:14] <Seveas> be a bit more precise in your description
[06:14] <aurax> i got office with 7 clients that i want to remote admin
[06:14] <aurax> one ubuntu server
[06:14] <Seveas> they spam in private messages LasseL
[06:14] <aurax> that is a gateway also
[06:14] <Seveas> aha
[06:14] <aurax> ;)
[06:14] <Seveas> well, forward port 33890 to one workstation
[06:15] <mindamp> can i get some fing help here?
[06:15] <Seveas> 33891 to 33890 on another
[06:15] <LasseL> Seveas, yes, but if the bots are not registered nicks they can't do that anymore
[06:15] <Seveas> etc...
[06:15] <aurax> uhm
[06:15] <Seveas> and use the standard remote desktop client
[06:15] <mindamp> dpkg -P apache2 does nothing...
[06:15] <darkheart> Seveas I thought it was 3389 for Windows Remote Desktop?
[06:15] <mindamp> my sources are fine...
[06:15] <mindamp> what is going on?
[06:15] <Seveas> LasseL, their sheer volume makes watching then join+part awful too
[06:15] <mindamp> this makes me wanna through ubuntu out the window
[06:15] <Seveas> mindamp, dpkg -P apache2
[06:15] <mindamp> seveas... that does nothing
[06:15] <Seveas> then apt-get install apache2
[06:16] <mindamp> like i said thrice
[06:16] <mindamp> ive done that
[06:16] <Seveas> and put the output on the pastebin
[06:16] <mindamp> over and over
[06:16] <mindamp> fine
[06:16] <dabar> mindamp: we're not your network admins, ok? we just use ubuntu, please calm down, and give some time to your issue, try some things...
[06:16] <Seveas> together with your sources
[06:16] <mindamp> jesus
[06:16] <Ichanz> hai all
[06:16] <dabar> yo
[06:16] <LasseL> Seveas, are you sure that the people that send the bots keep running them if they can't spam anyone anymore
[06:17] <darkheart> lol
[06:17] <Seveas> LasseL, yes
[06:17] <Seveas> they still join every few seconds
[06:17] <Ichanz> how to change resolution in BASH
[06:17] <darkheart> That's like 'are you sure the sign is in English when we're not looking?' =)
[06:17] <Ichanz> i mean xwindow resolution
[06:17] <mindamp> here you go http://pastebin.com/352920
[06:17] <mindamp> that process creates no /etc/apache2 directory
[06:17] <mindamp> or even the initscript
[06:18] <LasseL> Seveas, so you are saying that most people in #ubuntu-unregged is bots??
[06:18] <Seveas> LasseL, no
[06:18] <Seveas> the bots join+part
[06:18] <Seveas> join the unregged channel
[06:18] <glyn> yeah installing stuff can be frustrating on Ubuntu..sometimes it takes me 2-4 hours to install something
[06:18] <Seveas> and watch them fly by all the time
[06:18] <LasseL> i am there
[06:18] <dabar> Seveas: seems like his main is commented out.
[06:18] <dabar> maybe not:)
[06:19] <mindamp> im right here...
[06:19] <mindamp> you can talk to me
[06:19] <mindamp> so whats the deal?
[06:19] <aeno> mm
[06:20] <dabar> Ichanz: Do you mean your resolution for your screen, like 640x480, and that? in the gnome desktop environment after you log in?
[06:20] <Seveas> mindamp, odd, it ignores the dependencies
[06:20] <Gnonthgol> glyn: but we are trying to fox that, just write it down if you gets a bug and send it to someone at ubuntu
[06:20] <Seveas> apache2 is not a real package but depends on real apache packages
[06:20] <Seveas> mindamp, dpkg -l 'apache2*'
[06:20] <Seveas> and paste the output on the pastebin
[06:21] <mindamp> k
[06:21] <simplydazed> Hi, i'm having some trouble setting up a TVcard. I loaded the correct modules, but getting "bttv: Bt8xx card found (0)" error. Could anybody point me in the rite direction.
[06:22] <Ichanz> dabar Ichanz: Do you mean your resolution for your screen, like 640x480, and that? in the gnome desktop environment after you log in? <-- yesss... i can see anything cos my screen shaking.... i have to decrease the resolution ... how ???
[06:22] <mindamp> http://pastebin.com/352928
[06:22] <mindamp> there
[06:22] <Ichanz> dabar Ichanz: Do you mean your resolution for your screen, like 640x480, and that? in the gnome desktop environment after you log in? <-- yesss... i can not see anything cos my screen shaking.... i have to decrease the resolution ... how ???
[06:22] <Gnonthgol> simplydazed: what type of TV card? have you googled it?
[06:23] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, Pixelview Card. Spend 2 hours on google
[06:23] <mindamp> wintv thes best
[06:23] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, tried all the Pixelview possible cards, but still getting the error and ***unknown*** card
[06:23] <Seveas> mindamp, apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils
[06:23] <Seveas> apt-get update
[06:24] <Seveas> apt-get install apache2
[06:24] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol : bttv0: using:  *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC ***  [card=0,autodetected] 
[06:24] <Gnonthgol> simplydazed: what does HAL say?
[06:24] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, not following you
[06:25] <mindamp> seveas...
[06:25] <mindamp> uh why is that removing phpsysinfo, and phpmyadmin?
[06:25] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, can you msg you?
[06:25] <Gnonthgol> ubotu: tell simplydazed about hal
[06:25] <Seveas> because the depend on apache, reinstall them later
[06:25] <chrissl> because apache is a dep for this php stuff
[06:25] <chrissl> :)
[06:26] <dabar> simplydazed: he probably could, but then he would be talking to himself.
[06:26] <mindamp> bah
[06:26] <mindamp> seveas...
[06:26] <mindamp> it works
[06:26] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, thanks
[06:26] <mindamp> however whenever i hit my site.. i have to download the php
[06:26] <mindamp> whats that all about
[06:26] <wijnand> does anyone here use gutenprint?
[06:26] <mindamp> do i need to addtype to apache2.conf?
[06:26] <osfameron> wijnand: I don't.... but I'm curious now, what is it ?
[06:26] <simplydazed> dabar, ?
[06:27] <wijnand> osfameron: it's simply the latest gimp-print :)
[06:27] <dabar> (11:25:37) simplydazed: Gnonthgol, can you msg you?
[06:27] <Seveas> mindamp, install libapache2-mod-php4
[06:27] <simplydazed> dabar, your reply doesn't make any sense.
[06:27] <mindamp> seveas.. i did
[06:27] <Doonz> hey guys i have a wierd problem
[06:27] <glyn> help:someone put meth in my soda and I'm going crazy
[06:27] <wijnand> osfameron: as it's not in any repository i want to make surei can actually use it with ubuntu without a problem before i buy a cutting edge printer ;)
[06:28] <dabar> simplydazed: its not important...you asked him if he can message himself.
[06:28] <Doonz> everytime i boot up i have to refresh my fstab so it takes all my mount points any ideas?
[06:28] <simplydazed> dabar, lol, i did. Sorry heh
[06:28] <mindamp> seveas... libapache2-mod-php4 is installed
[06:28] <mindamp> could it be jacked like apache2 was?
[06:28] <Seveas> yes
[06:28] <simplydazed> :)
[06:28] <Seveas> it will be removed when you remove apache2
[06:28] <osfameron> wijnand: you probably know there's a #gimp channel too?  (good old channel list :-)
[06:28] <Ichanz> brb
[06:29] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, where does hal log to?
[06:29] <wijnand> osfameron: gimp-print is more of a separate project though, but yeah i guess i could ask there
[06:29] <mindamp> ahah
[06:29] <mindamp> it works
[06:29] <mindamp> thanks
[06:30] <LaserLine> Anyone got Beagle to work on Hoary ?
[06:30] <Gnonthgol> simplydazed: System > Administration > nr. 3 from the top
[06:31] <poningru> morning guys
[06:31] <Seveas> moin
[06:32] <Gnonthgol> ubotu: tell LaserLine about beagle
[06:32] <poningru> http://shop2.outpost.com/%7BQxh7aohZiBmPa8fGeAjYc8X0W43VNFj91Z0FUintMIJ1WEQWhPCj|-8888008532668758186/184095266/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1|6615232222760492626/184095268/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1|1125677930811%7D/product/4169723
[06:32] <poningru> woah
[06:32] <poningru> sorry
[06:32] <darkheart> Damn...that one link was almost a flood =)
[06:32] <mindamp> appreciate it guys
[06:32] <poningru> anyone try a texas instrument chipset wifi card?
[06:32] <poningru> looking into buying one
[06:32] <LaserLine> Gnonthgol  Already followed that, buy I have ReiserFS...
[06:34] <poningru> looking around the wiki only shows couple of people with texas instrument chipsets
[06:34] <poningru> but they seem to be older/ different brand
[06:34] <dabar> poningru: read the ndiswrapper list of supported cards?
[06:36] <poningru> I cant find that list anywhere now
[06:36] <poningru> last I heard they moved it to some wiki somewhere
[06:36] <LaserLine> Gnothgol - What to i need to do for ReiserFS and Beagle ?
[06:36] <poningru> but I cant find it for the life of me
[06:36] <wijnand> poningru: the list comes with the ndiswrapper installation
[06:36] <wijnand> (at least when you install from source...)
[06:36] <simplydazed> Seveas, could you help me with my TVcard problem?
[06:37] <Seveas> simplydazed, probably not, I don't have such a card
[06:37] <simplydazed> ok, but i think its a module problem
[06:37] <Gnonthgol> LaserLine: Actualy I dont know what beagle is or why you are using ReiserFS
[06:38] <aTypical> LaserLine, beagle is a mono project so I think you'll need to install it.
[06:39] <mindamp> how do i set courier-pop to use the local mailboxes?
[06:41] <Seveas> courier uses maildirs
[06:41] <Seveas> local users maildirs are ~/.maildir
[06:41] <Seveas> set that path in /etc/courier/pop3d
[06:41] <Oewyn> what's a good PCI/USB wireless card that works well w/ linux and is relatively new?
[06:42] <Kyral> Orinoco
[06:42] <davro> Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 have worked for here ok.
[06:43] <Gnonthgol> Oewyn: I use RaLink
[06:44] <Gnonthgol> !tab
[06:44] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC.
[06:44] <ompaul> anyone got a URL for the community calendar?
[06:44] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[06:45] <ompaul> thanks
[06:45] <Oewyn> anyone have success w/ xsupplicant and any of these cards?
[06:45] <simplydazed> Gnonthgol, any idea how i can get the framebuffer address?
[06:45] <apokryphos> Seveas: you're deactivated on the NewUser network?
[06:46] <Gnonthgol> simplydazed: no
[06:46] <zoexii> hello, is there a command that I can type to see my ip address?  I try 'ip -s' put none of the returned stuff looks like ip #'s.  I am trying to change port settings on my router and I need to know which computer is mine.
[06:46] <Oewyn> ifconfig
[06:47] <Oewyn> !victory for the newbie! <-----
[06:47] <zoexii> works, cool.
[06:47] <Seveas> apokryphos, i've never really been a member of it
[06:47] <Seveas> just an advisor
[06:48] <ali4728> Can any one help with multiple web site hosting (Name based virt host) ?
[06:48] <Quinthius> Can anyone suggest a suitable size for /var on a desktop system? I tried 500mb and it was too small for installation to complete
[06:49] <glyn> everyone check out the channel I just found for the band DRI!  /join #dri
[06:49] <apokryphos> Quinthius: a gig, here.
[06:49] <apokryphos> Quinthius: why partition that off?
[06:49] <apokryphos> Quinthius: actually, a large portion of that is extra stuff I have in www/
[06:50] <ubuntUser> how to check fps in q3
[06:50] <ubuntUser> ?
[06:50] <ubuntUser> how to turn it on
[06:50] <ubuntUser> ?
[06:50] <Quinthius> apokryphos: and that holds up fine for installing lots of packages? (I noticed /var seems to be used for temporary package data while installing them)
[06:50] <snak3> cg_drawfps 1 via console
[06:50] <snak3> or showfps
[06:50] <snak3> i'm not sure :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> Quinthius: indeed; /var/cache/apt/archives/ is where packs go
[06:51] <ubuntUser> thx
[06:51] <apokryphos> I still don't see the point in partitioning that off; it's pretty mainstream /
[06:52] <Oewyn> should i get a PCI wireless card or just a USB?
[06:52] <apokryphos> Quinthius: re: holding up -- no, it probably wouldn't. From apt you can get up to around 0.5 gigs for an upgrade
[06:52] <Kyral> I like the PCI
[06:52] <apokryphos> Quinthius: current dist-upgrade for me is 330 megs, for example. =)
[06:53] <Quinthius> apokryphos: but that is only temporary, right? doesn't need to KEEP that after it's installed, does it?
[06:53] <apokryphos> you can do an apt-get clean to remove them, sure.
[06:54] <danix> hey, well i dist upgrade my breezy 2 days ago and my x not enter anymore...some one get this problem or now something to do about it?
[06:54] <Quinthius> apokryphos: so shouldn't 1 gig be fine for just installing packages and upgrades? no server stuff really... except maybe small personal web stuff
[06:55] <apokryphos> Quinthius: shaky. Again, *why* do you want to?
[06:55] <Quinthius> apokryphos: it will be under LVM anyway, so i can increase the size later. i'm  just looking for a decent starting point
[06:56] <apokryphos> at _least_ 1.2, I'd put.
[06:56] <danix> its xorg broken?
[06:57] <apokryphos> danix: in breezy -- yes, on-and-off.
[06:57] <Quinthius> apokryphos: i like to keep /var, /tmp, /usr and /home on seperate partitions, especially if under LVM, so that sizes can be increased individually if needed. i would just leave /var on / and put / on lvm, but i've read about problems with root on lvm...
[06:57] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know of any good bandwidth monitoring software?
[06:58] <apokryphos> I can see that, but i still don't see why you'd want to. That would make things slower, when files are being transferred between partitions
[06:58] <apokryphos> aka, making your comp slower. The only partitions I'd make are really /home and /boot
[06:58] <Quinthius> that still leaves me with the problem of putting / on lvm...
[06:58] <Seveas> Dr_Melectaus, bwm
[06:59] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks Seveas
[06:59] <Seveas> but it could just as well be only / since my / is simply ext3
[07:00] <apokryphos>  /home is good for if you want to go between distros, and good for new users who think you need to ever reinstall, for example.
[07:00] <darkheart> apokryphos It depends on the use of the computer to say that multiple partitions would make it slower.
[07:01] <danix> apokryphos, how its on-and-off?
[07:01] <apokryphos> darkheart: to an extent, of course. But transferring between partitions is slower than transferring between one partition.
[07:01] <apokryphos> danix: as in, it varies.
[07:01] <Quinthius> i want as much as possible on lvm, but would prefer to keep / off of lvm due to possible booting, recovery and upgrade problems i've seen mentioned. that means other common-use directories will need to be partitioned off from /
[07:02] <danix> apokryphos, uhm....and i can only wait? because i cant enter x anymore
[07:02] <apokryphos> danix: it's not recommended that you upgrade to breezy, of course. It hasn't received stable-status
[07:02] <darkheart> apokryphos True, but that's assuming your are doing a lot of cross-disk activity. If you are doing a lot of I/O from remote hosts, then having a logical partition that is dedicated to that service would improve performance.
[07:03] <danix> apokryphos, i know...but im using =P and now the x dont enter...do u know something i can do?
[07:04] <Whistler> :)
[07:04] <pef> bye !
[07:06] <apokryphos> darkheart: granted. =)
[07:07] <apokryphos> danix: not really. You could try reconfiguring your X, making sure the new drivers are properly intsalled
[07:07] <Quinthius> hmm, screw it, i'll just try / on lvm with a seperate non-lvm /boot and see how well that works...
[07:07] <apokryphos> X in Breezy had actual issues with ATI drivers, but no idea how that's shaping up. NVidia seems to be working for the most part, but RenderAccel in X seems to be still broken
[07:10] <danix> apokryphos, i reconfigured it twice..and nothing....
[07:12] <reiki_work> looking for some clues here about microphone... When I turn teh mic on I can hear it in my speakers. So the mic's working. Ubuntu is not able to capture sound from the mic although it DOES appear to be trying. I simply get no sound recorded. There is no error. I'm at work right now but any clues where to start looking when I get home?
[07:14] <danix> uhm...
[07:14] <Seveas> reiki_work, open alsamixer in the teminal
[07:15] <Seveas> hit tab until you are at the recording controls
[07:15] <Seveas> find the mic
[07:15] <Seveas> and raise the volume
[07:16] <reiki_work> Seveas; thanks. I'll try that. I opened the mixer from the drop down menus and I did find the mic volume down right at first. That wasn't alsamixer? (sorry... clueless after so much time away from linux)
[07:19] <Seveas> reiki_work, alsamixer is a command you type in the termina;l
[07:19] <reiki_work> Seveas: ok... I thought maybe it was a command that opened a window. :)  Thanks. I'll try this first thing when I get home
[07:20] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i got a machine with ATA and SATA disks and only the sata is detected.. default ubuntu kernel, my own kernel didnt detect it either, any quick fixes you can think of?
[07:27] <Ichanz> hi
[07:27] <Ichanz> HELP!!!
[07:27] <Whistler> ?
[07:27] <nfinitep1astik> heh...exactly
[07:27] <Ichanz> i've got to change my resolution in ubuntu
[07:27] <Ichanz> how ???
[07:28] <lsuactiafner> !kernel
[07:28] <nfinitep1astik> Ichanz: preferences ----> screen resolution
[07:28] <nlogax> System | Preferences | Screen Resolution
[07:28] <lsuactiafner> whats the default hoary ubuntu kernel thats installed on 5.04?
[07:28] <Ichanz> nfinitep1astik Ichanz: preferences ----> screen resolution <-- using console... i cant see anything in xwindows
[07:28] <nfinitep1astik> rofl
[07:28] <Ichanz> :P
[07:29] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, mess around in the bios
[07:29] <nlogax> got root access?
[07:29] <Ichanz> yep
[07:29] <nlogax> cd /etc/X11
[07:29] <lakcaj> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:29] <Seveas> !res
[07:29] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Seveas
[07:29] <Seveas> ubotu, stfu
[07:29] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:29] <Ichanz> sure i've got one
[07:29] <nlogax> Ichanz I'll defer to lakcaj for a moment
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> thats what i also told him but he doesnt believe me
[07:30] <Seveas> !resolution
[07:30] <ubotu> hmm... resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:30] <Ichanz> thx a lot
[07:30] <Seveas> ^== Ichanz
[07:30] <tvo> lsuactiafner: 2.6.10
[07:30] <danix> i realy need help!!
[07:31] <Xappe> thou may ask, and we shall consider to answer
[07:31] <lakcaj> danix, you are being _way_ too specific.
[07:31] <danix> When gdm starts I can see nvidia logo for few seconds, and them the x dont enter...and console comes...
[07:32] <danix> just it...sems to be a problem with the devices or something like this...
[07:32] <AristoMagnus> did X crashes?
[07:32] <danix> hapened after a upgrade
[07:32] <danix> yes
[07:33] <themuffinking> where is the "Administrator Mode" button?
[07:33] <lakcaj> danix, did you look at any of the log files in /var/log for info?
[07:33] <Blissex> Xappe: lakcaj: I have prepared this page on ''suggestions on how to ask questions'' to give to people in such occasions: http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4
[07:33] <danix> i reconfigured de xserver-xorg but dont work either
[07:33] <danix> yes....
[07:33] <Blissex> danix: if you see the NVIDIA logo you are using the proprietary NVIDIA driver, which may have problem of its own.
[07:33] <danix> but its not here..because im on windows...
[07:33] <lakcaj> Blissex, wow, that's pretty "all encompassing"
[07:33] <HappyFool> themuffinking: is "applications -> system tools -> root terminal" what you want?
[07:33] <danix> Blissex, wich problem?
[07:34] <themuffinking> found it
[07:34] <Blissex> danix: have you tried the 'nv' or 'vesa' drivers to see if it is a driver problem or an X config problem?
[07:34] <HappyFool> danix: are you on hoary or breezy?
[07:34] <danix> Blissex, not yet
[07:34] <Blissex> lakcaj: I have been trying hard :-)
[07:34] <danix> breezy
[07:35] <Blissex> danix: good, if you use Breezy you are a master guru and people like us cannot presume to help someone with your vast knowledge of incomplete bleeding edge systems...
[07:35] <danix> Blissex, lol
[07:35] <nlogax> :-)
[07:36] <Sionide> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5805215138
[07:36] <danix> Blissex, and because of this u cant help me?
[07:36] <Blissex> danix: because of this we _should not_ help you...
[07:37] <danix> Blissex, this is not good...
[07:37] <danix> =(
[07:37] <Blissex> danix: you know the story ''doctor if I hammer a nail into my hand it really hurts me, how can I stop that pain?''
[07:37] <lakcaj> danix, 1.  look in /var/log for info     2.  If you can't resolve the issue this way, try the nv or vesa driver
[07:37] <nlogax> danix I'd go with earlier suggestion to use nv or vesa drivers
[07:37] <danix> i will try the nv driver...
[07:38] <lakcaj> danix, the nv driver will lack 3d acceleration, fyi
[07:38] <nlogax> try the logs, cos it may well be another part of X that is dying
[07:38] <danix> yes..
[07:38] <Blissex> danix: however, as well as trying the 'nv' or 'vesa' drivers, do as lakcaj suggests: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and check what exactly is the cause of the X server stopping. it usually writes an error message there before crashing.
[07:39] <danix> yes...i saw it...have error in imput devices
[07:39] <Xappe> danix, the first thing you should do is to check the breezy development forums
[07:39] <nlogax> danix well well well
[07:40] <danix> Xappe, already did
[07:40] <danix> and post
[07:40] <Xappe> just wanted to make sure :)
[07:40] <danix> =P
[07:40] <snak3> hmm after a fresh ubuntu install there is the ipp service started by default..how can i disable it?
[07:40] <danix> well...im looking if i found anything elso..to reboot and try again
[07:41] <lakcaj> snak3, do you know what script starts the service?  update-rc.d -f <script_name> remove (in debian at least)
[07:41] <snak3> nope, dont know it :/
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> huh
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> better than that
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> apt-get install rcconf
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> rcconmf
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> rcconf
[07:42] <dabar> tell Blissex about ask
[07:42] <AristoMagnus> with a nice ncurses interface ;)
[07:42] <lakcaj> snak3, how did you discover the service?  What does "nmap 127.0.0.1" say?  Anything useful?
[07:43] <snak3> jep, nmap says that the port is open :)
[07:43] <snak3> thats why i want to close it
[07:44] <lakcaj> snak3, could it be cups opening the port?
[07:44] <AristoMagnus> which port
[07:44] <snak3> 631 default ipp port
[07:44] <AristoMagnus> hum
[07:44] <lakcaj> yeah, that's cups
[07:45] <AristoMagnus> ok
[07:45] <AristoMagnus> snak3: do you have a printer?
[07:45] <snak3> nope
[07:45] <lakcaj> if you enter localhost:631 into your url of your browser, you should see the cups configuration wizard
[07:45] <Flying-Penguin> is there some kind of a wine channle?
[07:45] <AristoMagnus> rcconf and disable cups
[07:46] <lakcaj> #winehq
[07:46] <Gnonthgol> snak3: just uninstall cups
[07:46] <AristoMagnus> no need
[07:46] <AristoMagnus> maybe he will need it
[07:46] <AristoMagnus> just disable the service and your done
[07:46] <snak3> i'll try it, thanks :)
[07:46] <AristoMagnus> np
[07:48] <HappyFool> Flying-Penguin: i think it might be #winehq
[07:48] <snak3> hmm the webinterface says that all administrative commands are disabled...i should use the gnome cups manager...
[07:48] <snak3> and in the cups manager i cant disable the whole thing
[07:48] <snak3> guess i try the rcconf thing
[07:49] <lakcaj> snak3, that was just to illustrate that cups had the port open... yeah, as AristoMagnus said, use rcconf.
[07:50] <HappyFool> snak3: it should only be listening on the localhost interface; do you really need to disable it?
[07:50] <XTC> i'm trying to get working a TV card on linux, and i managed to get S-Video working and being able to select which input i want (S-Video or TV) but TV mode isn't really working.... i tried scantv a few moments ago and it threw back "vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] " so i realized there's something missing which i don't know what it could be and neither google
[07:50] <snak3> dont want any ports open which i dont need
[07:51] <Xappe> snak3: check the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, you can fiddle with things there too
[07:51] <Gnonthgol> snak
[07:52] <Gnonthgol> snak3: why not?
[07:52] <snak3> why should i?
[07:53] <citrosack> does anyone know what port i should forward for remote desktop ?
[07:55] <nlogax> citrosack - do you mean MS RDP?
[07:56] <Gnonthgol> citrosack: 5900
[07:56] <citrosack> Gnonthgol: thanks
[07:57] <aurax> any good vnc app that supports windows and can scan the local subnet for the servers to connect to?
[07:57] <Gnonthgol> citrosack: just found out
[07:57] <Nalioth_zZz> citrosack: 22 if you're doing it in a secure manner
[07:57] <tritium> use update-rc.d
[07:57] <citrosack> thru ssh?
[07:58] <Nalioth_zZz> citrosack: yes, through ssh
[07:58] <citrosack> how do you do that?
[07:59] <Nalioth> how do you do what? ssh tunneling?
[07:59] <slibs> how do i install latest clearlooks or gnome, so that i can use clearlooks graphite theme?
[07:59] <aru> slibs: did you download it yet?
[07:59] <citrosack> yeah ... sounds complicated
[08:00] <Nalioth> slibs: start synaptic, search for "clearlook"
[08:00] <slibs> amm
[08:00] <Nalioth> citrosack: not at all, esp if you make a couple of aliases
[08:00] <tritium> hi Nalioth
[08:00] <Nalioth> citrosack: i do it every day
[08:00] <slibs> i have clearlooks already, but in ubuntu it's too old version
[08:00] <Nalioth> howdy tritium
[08:00] <spiderworm> hey all how do i play windows media player 9 movies?  totem wont play them....
[08:01] <aru> !mp3
[08:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[08:01] <aru> spiderworm: read that link
[08:01] <citrosack> Nalioth: aliases for?
[08:01] <slibs> Nalioth, i need at least 0.6, and the clearlooks in ubuntu is 0.5
[08:02] <Nalioth> citrosack: it's a nice long command sequnce to set up ssh tunneling, an alias makes it nicer
[08:02] <citrosack> oh i see what you mean
[08:02] <Nalioth> slibs: so go d/l the source code
[08:02] <danix> hey guys....dont worked...anyone want to see the gdm log or xorg conf?
[08:02] <tritium> danix: what are you trying to do?
[08:03] <danix> fix my xorg
[08:03] <danix> dont pass by nvidia logo
[08:03] <tritium> danix: put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin please
[08:03] <tritium> nvidia logo can be disabled with a single option
[08:03] <tritium> is that all you want to do?
[08:03] <danix> i will past..brb
[08:03] <danix> no
[08:03] <tritium> okay
[08:04] <danix> my x dont enter anymore
[08:04] <dorin> i am having trouble getting wireless card working on laptop. when i go to device manager, it shows that it is there, but i don't have any idea how to actually set it up. can someone help me with that?
[08:04] <tritium> dorin: which card?
[08:04] <slibs> Nalioth, no thanks, i just found out that i can download 0.6 if i add few repositories
[08:04] <dorin> motorola wn825gp
[08:05] <Nalioth> slibs: be careful with nonofficial repos, they may cause trouble for your box
[08:05] <tritium> dorin: is there support for that in the latest kernel?
[08:05] <tritium> Nalioth++
[08:05] <Nalioth> ?
[08:05] <dorin> how would i be able to find that out (i am very new to linux in general, just installed it last night)
[08:06] <danix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/gNJl6O20.html gdm log
[08:06] <wolki> what's the command to find out a window's name again?
[08:06] <tritium> slibs: heed Nalioth's warning about nonofficial repos
[08:06] <rodietze> How to join ubuntu developers team?
[08:06] <danix> tritium, http://rafb.net/paste/results/gNJl6O20.html
[08:06] <spiderworm> aru: ive got that repo and there's no w32codec package on there... 64 bit here, mebbe it's different for us?
[08:06] <danix> Blissex, http://rafb.net/paste/results/gNJl6O20.html dont work put nv instend of nvidia
[08:06] <aru> hmm
[08:07] <tritium> danix: checking
[08:07] <danix> k
[08:07] <tritium> danix: so you're saying nv works and nvidia doesn't?  Have you followed the BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:07] <spiderworm> i shoulda gone 32 bit.  maybe when breezy is stable...
[08:07] <tritium> Did you run nvidia-glx-config enable?
[08:07] <ivoks> Seveas: you kicked me?! :)
[08:08] <danix> no...no one works
[08:08] <HappyFool> danix: you should probably mention that you're on breezy when stating your problem; i believe X has had lots of changes made from hoary
[08:08] <tritium> danix: please be more specifig
[08:08] <tritium> specific
[08:08] <GoRoDeK> hi all, after every reboot X fails to start, i believe the nvidia modul have to be loaded, but how i do it?
[08:08] <rodietze> danix did u comment the xorg or XF86Config-4 the dri line and glcore lines?
[08:08] <danix> tritium, ok when i boot x try to start but dont start...
[08:08] <Gnonthgol> GoRoDeK: what version are you on?
[08:08] <tritium> danix: are you running breezy?
[08:09] <danix> nvidia logo apears and x try to start again..but dont start..
[08:09] <danix> yes..breezy
[08:09] <tritium> this is important info
[08:09] <danix> its because i was talking about this before here...
[08:09] <GoRoDeK> Gnonthgol: ubuntu 5.4 with kernel 2.6.10
[08:09] <danix> and go to ubuntu to test what people tell me to do
[08:10] <danix> rodietze, yes
[08:10] <HappyFool> irc is approximately memoryless for any period longer than 60 seconds ;)
[08:10] <tritium> danix: I just read a bug report about serious regressions with the latest daily breezy image, and X not starting
[08:10] <GoRoDeK> if i reinstall the drivers and "startx" x runs perfectly. but after the restart x fails to start.
[08:10] <tritium> GoRoDeK: which drivers?
[08:11] <danix> tritium, where?
[08:11] <GoRoDeK> tritium: i downloaded nvidia drivers from the official page.
[08:11] <ShereKhan> Can anybody help me with DRI on Ubuntu? Installed 5.04 on a laptop with a Radeon Mobility 9700. Followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 but it does not work. /var/log/Xorg.log says "could not detect XFree86 version (query_status=-3)" and "DRI initialization failed!". What gives?
[08:11] <ShereKhan> And yes, I installed the fglrx-package for xorg, not xfree86
[08:11] <rodietze> uhm, danix, try commenting the last lines of the xorg.conf whre says: dri section 666
[08:11] <tritium> GoRoDeK: you should have followed the BinaryDriverHowto
[08:11] <pepsi> is anybody using vmware with breezy?
[08:11] <tritium> don't use nVidia's official page.  use ubuntu packages
[08:12] <danix> yes...
[08:12] <lakcaj> danix, your x is not starting because /dev/input/mice does not exist
[08:12] <danix> have this on conf
[08:12] <danix> do u wana see?
[08:12] <tritium> GoRoDeK: don't do it that way.  use ubuntu packages
[08:12] <danix> lakcaj, and?
[08:12] <danix> lakcaj, what i can do?
[08:12] <chrismy> hi ya
[08:12] <danix> where is the mice direcitory?
[08:12] <dabar> heyo.
[08:12] <GoRoDeK> tritium: ok i will give the ubuntu packages a try.., thx
[08:12] <lakcaj> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[08:12] <lakcaj> sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[08:12] <lakcaj> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:13] <chrismy> :D
[08:13] <lakcaj> let it autodetect your mouse, if it still asks you for a device node, try /dev/psaux
[08:13] <danix> k
[08:14] <danix> i will try it and what rodietze told
[08:14] <lakcaj> danix, but IMHO, you might want to try running the stable version of ubuntu.
[08:14] <GoRoDeK> dabar: thx! :)
[08:14] <danix> ok
[08:14] <danix> =P
[08:14] <g14> Anyone knowledgable with squid?
[08:14] <g14> I have a very simple squid question
[08:15] <rodietze> danix what did i tell u? :P
[08:15] <rodietze> gl4 shot
[08:15] <Nalioth> g14: ask your squid question, you never know if some lurker wrote it
[08:15] <mindamp> anyone know of a simple web based pop3 checker?
[08:15] <wolki> does someone here have experience with devilspie?
[08:15] <Blissex> danix: the problem with your setup is with the mouse, not the NVIDIA driver.
[08:15] <mindamp> and smtp interface?
[08:15] <g14> I need to set up squid to proxy ssl on HP-UX
[08:16] <Blissex> Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices
[08:16] <danix> Blissex, i know
[08:16] <g14> squid on linux should be the same as squid on linux
[08:16] <Blissex> danix: so just fix the mouse driver...
[08:16] <coolkev> when the new version of Ubuntu "Breezy" releases, will there be a way for those on hoary to upgrade to the new version, without loosing their files and data
[08:16] <danix> rodietze, tell me to coment a line on conf
[08:16] <wolki> coolkev: there is
[08:16] <Nalioth> coolkev: yes, there will
[08:16] <g14> I can't find any docs on setting up squid to proxy ssl
[08:16] <coolkev> ok
[08:16] <coolkev> thanks
[08:16] <danix> Blissex, i would like to know how
[08:16] <danix> =P
[08:16] <Gnonthgol> !breezy
[08:16] <ubotu> somebody said breezy was the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[08:17] <wolki> coolkev: apt / synaptic takes care of that
[08:17] <rodietze> danix oh yeah, I had this problem before, and try checking your mose settings
[08:17] <coolkev> k
[08:17] <Nalioth> g14 have you tried doin the same operatins as proxyin everything else?
[08:17] <coolkev> that's cool and easy
[08:17] <Blissex> danix: as a temporary solution: 'modprobe psmouse; modprobe usbmouse; modprobe mousedev'
[08:17] <g14> Yes
[08:17] <rodietze> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:17] <tritium> using sudo
[08:17] <danix> rodietze, i already tryed reconfiguring
[08:17] <g14> Nalioth: I have it set up to proxy http right now, but It's not doing ssl
[08:17] <rodietze> danix, but I mean the mouse settings
[08:18] <puff> is there a package to use my thinkpad microphone to record audio?
[08:18] <Blissex> danix: the root problem is /dev/input/mice and the 'mousedev' module handles that.
[08:18] <wolki> coolkev: just replace the hoary with breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list. don't do it yet unless you know what you're doing
[08:18] <TokenBad> can ubuntu be ran on a mac?
[08:18] <Nalioth> g14: you set up the port numbers and all that rot?
[08:18] <danix> rodietze, i will try again
[08:18] <tritium> puff: try apt-cache search thinkpad.  There may be some packages
[08:18] <Nalioth> TokenBad: ahem
[08:18] <danix> Blissex, what i put instend of /dev/input/mice?
[08:18] <coolkev> no i want to upgrade once it's finished and released.. like how someone on windows 98 would upgrade to windows xp i want to do similar with ubuntu
[08:18] <tritium> TokenBad: of course ;)
[08:19] <Nalioth> TokenBad: um, .. yes
[08:19] <TokenBad> ok...
[08:19] <TokenBad> just asking
[08:19] <TokenBad> don't kill me please
[08:19] <Nalioth> coolkev: 98 to XP is a whole different kettle of rotten fish then a apt-get upgrade
[08:19] <Nalioth> TokenBad: there are many of us running ubuntu on macintosh in here
[08:19] <Blissex> danix: well, you could make sure that device exists first...
[08:19] <TokenBad> cool
[08:20] <danix> hehe Blissex how?
[08:20] <TokenBad> its not for me..a friend is running like redhat ppc
[08:20] <TokenBad> and I asked why..and told him to get ubuntu
[08:20] <Blissex> danix: otherwise '/dev/psaux' for PS2 mouse or '/dev/usbmouse' for a USB mouse.
[08:20] <lakcaj> puff, you don't have to do anything special to get your mic working.  Just run alsamixer and try unmuting the mic.  As for recording from the mic, I'm not too sure.
[08:20] <windex> TokenBad, there may be issues if the machine is very old.
[08:20] <danix> Blissex, k
[08:20] <nlogax> TokenBad> yes it can run on a Mac
[08:20] <coolkev> but will it be easy and painless... like all the program will be upgraded and all the new features and eye candy will be added witht he upgrade while still keeping my old program settings like my gaim info and etc
[08:20] <windex> TokenBad, because last i knew redhat for ppc was very very old.
[08:20] <Blissex> danix: how to configure the mouse for X is described in many HOWTOs...
[08:21] <danix> Blissex, ok
[08:21] <TokenBad> its a g3 machine
[08:21] <TokenBad> will that be ok?
[08:21] <Nalioth> windex: redhat for everything is very old
[08:21] <Nalioth> TokenBad: not a problem
[08:21] <windex> i was worried it was like a powermac. :)
[08:21] <windex> e.g. original powermac.
[08:21] <konra`> I'm having trouble sharing my linux printer over the network - I got samba and cups set up as described http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html, but the windows machines say "access denied to printer"
[08:22] <puff> tritium: Only a few packages showed up with thinkpad as a keyword.
[08:22] <lakcaj> TokenBad, be advised, some things will simply not work.  For example, there is no w32codecs for mac, and there is no flash plugin for firefox either if I remember correctly
[08:22] <puff> lakcaj: Thanks, I'll give alsamixer a spin.
[08:22] <tritium> puff: okay, just a suggestion
[08:22] <puff> Mainly I want something for doing stuff like recording conversations and mp3 encoding them.
[08:22] <slibs> how risky is it to upgrade packages from backports stage?
[08:23] <puff> tritium: Cool.  I don't really mind "did you check to see if it's plugged in" type suggestions, I've made mistakes like that in the past :-).
[08:23] <Nalioth> lakcaj: but otw, the hardware is fully supported (if it's still stock)
[08:23] <tritium> puff: :)
[08:23] <rodietze> how many GBs would I get donwloading all the main and restricted ubuntu repos?
[08:23] <lakcaj> puff, man arecord
[08:24] <TokenBad> he needs the powerpc version right?
[08:24] <Nalioth> TokenBad: correct
[08:24] <tritium> TokenBad: yep
[08:24] <TokenBad> k
[08:24] <lakcaj> Nalioth, yeah, I'm running debian ppc on my g/f's G3 ibook, using xfce4 to speed things up a bit, and it's not bad at all.
[08:24] <puff> lakcaj: a-hah!  Innnnteresting.
[08:25] <pabqas> Hi there, I wonder could someone help me wih a problem I'm having with ubuntu
[08:25] <Nalioth> lakcaj: ive not had a problem running ubuntu-gnome on my G3 ibook (way faster than the stock OS)
[08:25] <spiderworm> correct me if im wrong, but i believe there's no amd64 packages at ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net at all
[08:25] <pabqas> I mean iptables
[08:25] <tritium> pabqas: please ask
[08:25] <danix> tritium, u told that read a bug that x dont enter..where did u read this?
[08:25] <pabqas> I just upgraded a machine from Red Hat 9
[08:25] <tritium> danix: one second
[08:26] <lakcaj> Nalioth, I just did a base install, so I didn't get the opportunity to try gnome, but it's nice to hear that it is functional.
[08:26] <pabqas> It was running as a file, web, email and database server
[08:26] <pabqas> but also as a web proxy
[08:26] <rodietze> hey how many GigaBytes are the entire main and restricted packages?
[08:26] <pabqas> on a hunch, I figured I might be able to enable it as a NAT gateway
[08:26] <pabqas> which worked great
[08:26] <Kyral> Why would you want to download the ENTIRE repos?
[08:26] <lakcaj> gotta go
[08:27] <pabqas> I've installed ubuntu anyway, and I've gotten everything back, better than it was, except the NAT gateway
[08:27] <pabqas> I tried replicating the iptables script, but it didn't work...
[08:27] <xXKobaXx> hey
[08:27] <Nalioth_wrkn> bbl
[08:27] <pabqas> set up as follows: college network, a 255.255.0.0 situation
[08:27] <rodietze> kyral, coz I don't have internet connection at home
[08:28] <bob_too> is there a known issue with installing breezy in "server" mode
[08:28] <tritium> see you Nalioth_wrkn
[08:28] <jbarbero> ls
[08:28] <tritium> bob_too: like what?
[08:28] <jbarbero> Whoops, hello!
[08:28] <xXKobaXx> can someone tell me how to fix this error i get when i start up my Ubuntu? Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[08:28] <Kyral> No....internet.....at....home?
[08:28] <pabqas> the ubuntu machine has outgoing and incoming connections.
[08:28] <jbarbero> I am wondering how I can pretend to apt that libexo is already installed?
[08:28] <jbarbero> I am trying to install the package xfld-desktop from OS-Cillation.
[08:28] <rodietze> Kyral nope, so I want to save all the repos in a cd
[08:28] <rodietze> oops
[08:28] <bob_too> it hangs during the install...i believe at "laptop detect"
[08:28] <rodietze> in lots of them
[08:28] <Kyral> rodietze, thats gonna take a shitload of CDs
[08:28] <jbarbero> However, they have an older version of libexo than ubuntu, but apt doesn't recognize this fact.
[08:29] <tritium> danix: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/laptop-testing-team/2005-September/000040.html
[08:29] <pepsi> anyone using vmware with breezy?
[08:29] <Kyral> I'd download the packages you want and then burn them to CD
[08:29] <tritium> that doesn't appear to be related to your mouse proble, though danix
[08:29] <bob_too> tritium: my last msg was for you
[08:29] <pabqas> I want to connect 7 or 9 other machines to the internet by specifying the ubuntu machine's ip as a gateway
[08:29] <danix> tritium, ok..but i will read it..thanks
[08:29] <tritium> bob_too: which image?
[08:29] <rodietze> Kyral , but I need gtk2.0 and beep-media-player, but there are lots of dependencies
[08:29] <bob_too> x86 install
[08:30] <tritium> daily?  what's the date?
[08:30] <rodietze> I mean almost uncountable dependencies, so instead of checking it out I'd download it all
[08:30] <bob_too> tritium: oh yeah, let me check that...
[08:30] <LinuxNub> hey does anyone know hot to set swapiness in ubuntu?
[08:31] <tritium> feel free to ask
[08:31] <rodietze> btw I'd like to congratule everybody that was involved in ubuntu, it roxxx!
[08:31] <Kyral> rodietze, I can assure you that its a lot less space to download the depends only
[08:31] <bob_too> tritium: iso downloaded Aug. 16th
[08:31] <jbarbero> this is the stupid error: libexo0.3-0: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2) but 1.8.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:31] <jbarbero> how can APT mess up so badly?
[08:31] <tritium> bob_too: you might want to try a more recent image
[08:31] <xXKobaXx> i get an error when ever i start up Ubuntu: Kernle Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[08:31] <bob_too> tritium: sure thing
[08:32] <Blissex> xXKobaXx: please read these suggestions on how to ask questions: http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4
[08:32] <xXKobaXx> Kernel*
[08:32] <tritium> bob_too: Colony 3, or the latest daily
[08:32] <bob_too> thanks
[08:32] <Kyral> xXKobaXx, I can't help you sorry.....
[08:32] <pepsi> bob_too, :( vmware is still brokenb, sir
[08:32] <pepsi> it makes me sad
[08:32] <Kyral> jbarbero, you may wanna grab it from Debian repos.....
[08:32] <jbarbero> Grab which? libpango?
[08:32] <Kyral> yah
[08:33] <jbarbero> Thanks
[08:33] <Concord_Dawn> Any good internet radio stream ripping utilities available in the repos
[08:33] <LinuxNub> If i use synaptic to remove evolution, it wants to take ubuntu-desktop is that ok?
[08:33] <bob_too> pepsi: what we get for being so "progressive"
[08:33] <rodietze> Kyral, heh ok thanks! I'll map all the dependencies needed so :) and hope it works heh oho btw, are debian packages completely suitable to ubuntu?
[08:33] <Kyral> LinuxNub, its a metapackage (means it only exists to pull in a collection of unrelated packages)
[08:33] <tritium> rodietze: no
[08:33] <Kyral> so its safe to remove
[08:33] <LinuxNub> oh ok, thanks :)
[08:33] <tritium> it's best not to mix debian packages with ubuntu
[08:34] <rodietze> uhmm thanks I'd do a bad mix so hehe
[08:34] <Kyral> but you want to reinstall it when you upgrade to Breezy
[08:34] <LinuxNub> ill format when breezy comes
[08:34] <rodietze> tritium are you a ubuntu devel?
[08:34] <jbarbero> Sorry, how do I add the Debian repos? I can't find their URLs
[08:34] <tritium> rodietze: no
[08:35] <tritium> I need to go for a while...
[08:35] <rodietze> ok
[08:36] <danix> i will try..ttl
[08:36] <rodietze> brb
[08:37] <LinuxNub> so does anyone know how to set swapiness in ubuntu? sysctl -w swapiness=20 doesnt work
[08:37] <din> swapiness?
[08:37] <Concord_Dawn> ?
[08:38] <Concord_Dawn> swapiness?
[08:38] <Concord_Dawn> what in the?
[08:38] <jbragnar> i'm trying to get breezy onto a vmware ws install, it fails on reboot after base install. Is there a known problem with vmware?
[08:38] <LinuxNub> its the value for ram to swap usage
[08:38] <Kyral> I believe that is the parameter that determines how often the system goes to the swapdrive
[08:38] <Concord_Dawn> not as far as I know jbarbero
[08:38] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[08:38] <Concord_Dawn> jbragnar*
[08:38] <jbragnar> oh
[08:38] <jbragnar> great, i'll plug on
[08:38] <jbragnar> thank you Concord_Dawn
[08:39] <chrissl> LinuxNub, swapon /dev/yourswapdrive
[08:39] <chrissl> you use a swap partition
[08:39] <LinuxNub> ?? thats not gonna help lol, im trying to set the value for swap to ram usage
[08:40] <cbudden> hey
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> hi cbudden
[08:40] <cbudden> wonder if your can help me
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> maybe
[08:41] <cbudden> i have two ntfs partitions mounted to /media/windows and /media/mydoes
[08:41] <cbudden> and i would like to have them appear as a drive on my desktop
[08:41] <cbudden> i found a post on a forum that helps
[08:41] <cbudden>  sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[08:41] <cbudden> makes it work
[08:42] <stjepan> hello
[08:42] <OculusAquilae> k
[08:42] <cbudden> but i would need to do this every time i log in
[08:42] <stjepan> how can I install engage on Ubuntu?
[08:42] <Concord_Dawn> erm?
[08:42] <Concord_Dawn> apt-get install engage?
[08:42] <wolki> cbudden: tried adding it to gnome-session?
[08:43] <cbudden> ok
[08:43] <nubbe> LinuxNub, did u use sudo?  :)
[08:43] <cbudden> could your please tell me how to do this?
[08:43] <cbudden> please
[08:43] <cbudden> lol
[08:43] <wolki> System -> Prefernces -> Session -> third tab -> add new
[08:43] <wolki> type command there
[08:44] <cbudden> yes i already tried that
[08:44] <cbudden> but it didnt work
[08:44] <wolki> set order to something high, i'd say
[08:44] <cbudden> ok
[08:44] <LinuxNub> sudo with sysctl? i used it in a root terminal
[08:44] <wolki> not? hm...
[08:44] <cbudden> like 100
[08:44] <stjepan> Concord_Dawn: E: Package engage has no installation candidate
[08:44] <stjepan> :(
[08:44] <nubbe> oki
[08:44] <cbudden> the skype and gaim entries i have in their are on 50
[08:44] <wolki> cbudden: tried linking it onto your desktop?
[08:44] <cbudden> i have it as a folder
[08:44] <Concord_Dawn> stjepan, have you tried googling?
[08:44] <jbarbero> This is a weird question, but in for example Arch and Fedora, I can use the delete key in pico. Not in Ubuntu. Do you know what might cause this?
[08:45] <sexcopter8000m> hi, can anyone point me to a wiki or howto for printing on a network. the document is on an ubuntu machine and the printer is on an xp machine
[08:45] <stjepan> Concord_Dawn: yes
[08:45] <Blissex> jbarbero: probably.
[08:45] <sexcopter8000m> or do i just install cups and it's obvious?
[08:45] <Blissex> sexcopter8000m: you install CUPS and then it is not totally obvious :-)
[08:45] <wolki> engegae is not in the repos, i think
[08:45] <stjepan> wolki: but how to install
[08:45] <wolki> try if smoon's repo is still up, link is in the forums
[08:45] <stjepan> ?
[08:46] <Blissex> sexcopter8000m: looks for some HOWTO on Samba remote printing. One of the keywords should be 'smbprint'
[08:46] <Concord_Dawn> can't help you then stephank
[08:46] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[08:46] <sexcopter8000m> Blissex: ty
[08:46] <Concord_Dawn> stjepan*
[08:46] <cbudden> wolki: any idea?
[08:46] <stjepan> I tried to install Engage from RPM, but it always says it needs shared library
[08:46] <ValheruLord> how can i install java in ubuntu
[08:46] <wolki> stjepan: if it's not your out of luck. you either have to install it manually, which is a big hassle, or try if the debian packages work on breezy
[08:47] <Blissex> ValheruLord: there is a nioce HOWTO in thw Ubuntu Wiki.
[08:47] <Blissex> !java
[08:47] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:47] <stjepan> wolki: I have hoary
[08:47] <pepsi> hwat package is cc1plus in?
[08:47] <wolki> stjepan: i had it working from smoons repository, but he stopped updating it and i'm not sure it's still up
[08:47] <pepsi> g++
[08:48] <stjepan> wolki: you have engage on ubuntu?
[08:48] <wolki> stjepan: debian packages will not work on hoary easily. wait a month and try on breezy
[08:48] <stjepan> why not on hoary?
[08:48] <wolki> stjepan: changed to breezy and didn't set it up there yet, but i did have it running on hoary
[08:48] <stjepan> how did you install it?
[08:49] <wolki> stjepan: because the require a newer version of libc than hoary has
[08:49] <stjepan> ok
[08:49] <wolki> stjepan: like i said, smoon's repos. howto in the forums
[08:49] <stjepan> but how to install it?
[08:49] <stjepan> from where?
[08:49] <stjepan> how?
[08:49] <nubbe> LinuxNub, it works for mw
[08:49] <stjepan> smoon?
[08:49] <nubbe> LinuxNub, it works for me
[08:49] <wolki> sheesh... i'll go look.
[08:50] <nubbe> linuxboy, in term with sudo
[08:51] <Sionide> is breezy alright to use yet?
[08:51] <Concord_Dawn> no
[08:51] <Concord_Dawn> X is broken afaik
[08:51] <wolki> stjepan: here you are http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[08:52] <JakeofArk> What's the default root password for Ubuntu and how do I change it? I need the "su" command to work.
[08:52] <nubbe> LinuxNub, actually sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=?
[08:52] <stjepan> wolki: tnx
[08:52] <wolki> Sionide: works here
[08:52] <Blissex> wolki: Debian Sarge and Ubuntu Hoary are mostly compatible at the _application_ level as they use the same main ABIs (GLIBC, C++, KDE, ...)
[08:52] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell JakeofArk about root
[08:52] <konra`> is there a gnome keyboard shortcut to kill the current process?
[08:52] <Blissex> konra`: there is no such thing as the ''current process''.
[08:53] <konra`> Blissex, currently open window?
[08:53] <wolki> stjepan: it will install all of e17, but you should be able to install just engage + dependencies
[08:53] <Blissex> konra`: try to close it?
[08:53] <konra`> how?
[08:53] <wolki> Blissex: but getting it to work from the repos is still a big pain.
[08:53] <nubbe> LinuxNub, vm.swappiness=
[08:53] <konra`> witohout a mouse
[08:53] <Blissex> wolki: yes....
[08:53] <HappyFool> konra`: ctrl+w ?
[08:53] <konra`> ah.
[08:53] <konra`> thank you
[08:54] <LinuxNub> Ahaha! I found it, to set swapiness, echo >> /proc/sys/vm/swapiness
[08:54] <LinuxNub> err echo 20
[08:54] <LinuxNub> vm.swapiness is not defined
[08:54] <Blissex> konra`: also, click on the ''close window'' button. Eventually GNOME detects that the window is not closing and offers to kill it.
[08:54] <nubbe> LinuxNub, sysctl -w vm.swappiness=?
[08:54] <dducko> What do I need to do to install .deb files?
[08:54] <LinuxNub> error: 'vm.swapiness' is an unknown key
[08:54] <Blissex> dducko: 'man dpkg'
[08:54] <Blissex> LinuxNub: two "p"s
[08:54] <JakeofArk> Ok well than thank you but I have another question
[08:54] <LinuxNub> lol
[08:55] <JakeofArk> How do I mount hda1 (my windows filesystem) in Ubuntu?
[08:55] <LinuxNub> i had that line this whole time, i was just spelling it wrong
[08:55] <floe> hi all... since I installed kernel 2.6.12 and madwifi (linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-k7) my wlan is broken. The driver loads but i can't ping any host. Anyone with the same problem or any idea?
[08:55] <stjepan> wolki: 25MB to download???
[08:55] <LinuxNub> well i guess thats why im linux nub :p
[08:55] <Blissex> JakeofArk: nautilus should do that for you.
[08:55] <JakeofArk> ok....
[08:55] <ColonelKernel> how do I come out of hibernate mode?
[08:55] <JakeofArk> hang on lemme see
[08:55] <LinuxNub> wow ubuntu flys now
[08:55] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: at spring. :-)
[08:55] <LinuxNub> :) i like
[08:56] <ColonelKernel> :((
[08:56] <HappyFool> !windowsdrives
[08:56] <ubotu> from memory, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:56] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: in theory when you open your laptop and press the power button.
[08:56] <LinuxNub> !nvidia
[08:56] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:56] <Blissex> !make love
[08:56] <ubotu> Blissex: Are you on ritalin?
[08:56] <JakeofArk> Well I'm unable to get into my windows system
[08:56] <Blissex> :-)
[08:57] <ColonelKernel> Blissex how about on a desktop?
[08:57] <LinuxNub> nubbe, what do u keeps ures set at?
[08:57] <svu> which package should I install to get /lib/modules/2.6.12-.../build/.config ?
[08:57] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: should be the ''soft power'' button, but not sure.
[08:57] <HappyFool> svu: you probably need a linux-headers-386 package
[08:58] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: try pressing the power button as if powering it up.
[08:58] <HappyFool> svu: i think you can find .config as /boot/config
[08:58] <ColonelKernel> crap - that isnt working
[08:58] <nubbe> LinuxNub, standard (60)
[08:58] <HappyFool> svu: make that /boot/config-<version>
[08:58] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: hibernate does not necessarily work that well, especially on a desktop.
[08:58] <mik3> hello
[08:58] <svu> HappyFool, thanks, I'll try
[08:58] <ColonelKernel> Blissex works great if I could get it to return :((
[08:59] <mik3> i just moutned a 9 gig hard drive to this ubuntu box, where can i go for information on mounting this drive now that i have formatted it with qtparted
[08:59] <LinuxNub> nubbe, why?!?
[08:59] <Blissex> ColonelKernel: in suspending, saving is easy, it is restoring that is hard.
[08:59] <ColonelKernel> :((
[08:59] <mik3> i just mounted a 9 gig hard drive to this ubuntu box, where can i go for information on mounting this drive now that i have formatted it with qtparted
[08:59] <svu> HappyFool, just not i386, powerpc64-smp :)
[08:59] <Blissex> mik3: edit '/etc/fstab', lots of HOWTOs on how to do that.
[08:59] <LinuxNub> unless ure running a server.. i could understand
[08:59] <Blissex> mik3: do not repeat a question more often than every 5 minutes./
[09:00] <nubbe> LinuxNub, why not
[09:00] <spiderworm> hi all, ive created a 32 bit chroot on my 64 bit machine, it appears there's nothing i cant do with the 32 bit chroot so far... is there a way to just replace the 64 bit environment with the 32?
[09:00] <mik3> i didn't repeat it. it was a correction
[09:00] <LinuxNub> does anyone know if nvidia-glx in the repos works with nvidia Rvia TNT2 Ultra?
[09:00] <mik3> Blissex : thanks =>
[09:00] <Blissex> mik3: if you want extra fast support response, quote your 15 second support response contract number or contact our sales team to open one.
[09:00] <LinuxNub> nubbe, running it at 10-20 rith anything about 256mb ram will increase response time dramatically
[09:00] <nubbe> LinuxNub, I usually don't have any swap at all, so it doesn't affect me
[09:00] <Blissex> spiderworm: basically total reinstall.
[09:01] <mik3> Blissex : cool, can i buy stock?
[09:01] <spiderworm> Blissex: oh ok nm
[09:01] <Blissex> spiderworm: but your 32 bit 'chroot' should ''just work''
[09:01] <wolki> rebooting
[09:01] <svu> HappyFool, you were right. it was headers
[09:01] <Blissex> spiderworm: in particular also look at http://WWW.Linuc-vserver.org/ for a really nice 'chroot' solution.
[09:01] <spiderworm> Blissex: heck yah it does, lots of testing to do still
[09:02] <Blissex> spiderworm: that was http://WWW.Linux-vserver.org/ oops
[09:03] <spiderworm> Blissex: 32 bit chroot even does sound, 3d acceleration...
[09:03] <Blissex> spiderworm: 3D acceleration is a bit too much :-)
[09:03] <spiderworm> Blissex: what do you mean?
[09:03] <Blissex> spiderworm: you are too lucky...
[09:03] <spiderworm> Blissex: am i?
[09:04] <neoprodigy> Can anyone tell me where Synaptic Package Manager caches packages by default?
[09:05] <dducko> Im haveing trouble getting totem-xine instaled, is there a way to get Synamptic to do it
[09:05] <neoprodigy> Ya, just search for totem-xine
[09:05] <neoprodigy> and install it
[09:06] <Nalioth> neoprodigy: apt caches at /var/apt/cache i believe
[09:06] <mik3> ok so since i added this drive initially i would want to annotate the following in fstab: /dev/hdb1  /store  ext3  defaults <--is that correct so it mounts to /store every time i boot?
[09:06] <neoprodigy> Nalioth, i don't have a /var/apt
[09:06] <dducko> it doesnt show up in Synaptic thats the problem
[09:06] <Nalioth> neoprodigy: hang ona minim
[09:07] <neoprodigy> dducko, make sure you have the necessary repositories
[09:07] <Nalioth> mik3: looks like a good start
[09:07] <chavo> neoprodigy, it's /var/cache/apt
[09:07] <dducko> Ive added the multiverse one.. is there another one?
[09:07] <neoprodigy> chavo, ah, thanks
[09:07] <Nalioth> neoprodigy: sorry, /var/cache/apt/
[09:07] <Nalioth> dducko: just uni and multi
[09:07] <neoprodigy> Nalioth, got it, thanks
[09:07] <chavo> The .debs will be in the archive directory
[09:08] <mik3> this is fun!
[09:08] <mik3> =D
[09:08] <chavo> but I think you have to tell it to save them, the default is to clean out the cache directory
[09:08] <Nalioth> chavo: i have all my debs in mine
[09:08] <neoprodigy> dducko, I am using only the three official repositories, try removing and readding them, then hit relaod, totem-xine should come with the official release repositories
[09:09] <chavo> Yeah, me too.
[09:09] <mik3> yaay it worked!
[09:09] <lassesandberg> hi people
[09:10] <lassesandberg> can someone help me? im pretty new in ubuntu, trying to get the gstreamer mp3 plugin, but i cant find it in the synaptic
[09:10] <mik3> Seveas can i tell you something in query please?
[09:10] <mik3> LasseL: update your repository
[09:10] <mik3> er
[09:10] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: you need to enable the universe repository
[09:10] <mik3> lassesandberg: update your respository
[09:10] <kayfelix> alsamixer settings are gone upon reboot - how do I make it permanent?
[09:11] <mik3> !tell lassesandberg about repositry
[09:11] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: you can read about this on the restrictedformats page, i believe
[09:11] <mik3> !tell lassesandberg about repository
[09:11] <HappyFool> !restricted
[09:11] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:11] <mik3> =/
[09:11] <kayfelix> !help me please
[09:12] <kayfelix> ubotu: no help on me please.
[09:12] <ubotu> kayfelix: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:12] <HappyFool> kayfelix: at a guess that is handled by /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/alsasound
[09:12] <Nalioth> kayfelix: what do you need?
[09:13] <kayfelix> on sec
[09:14] <kayfelix> <IEC958 C> is always unmuted - but i need it to stay muted
[09:15] <Lefungus> hello, I was wondering how to get colored text in the terminal, especially under ubuntu
[09:16] <Lefungus> I know it's something like setting TERM="rxvt", but it seems my memory is failing
[09:16] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell nlogax about root
[09:16] <Lefungus> I do get colors under things like 'ls', but not under vi
[09:16] <HappyFool> kayfelix: alsa settings should be saved on shutdown automatically
[09:17] <HappyFool> Lefungus: in which terminal is this?
[09:17] <Belutz> anyone using vmware?
[09:17] <Lefungus> HappyFool, gnome-terminal
[09:17] <kayfelix> HappyFool: well they're definately not, that chip setting is OO everytime i restart
[09:18] <ekimus> Lefungus: you mean syntax highlighting?
[09:18] <Lefungus> yes
[09:18] <HappyFool> kayfelix: the command which actually does this is 'alsactl' -- maybe you can test what 'sudo alsactl store' and 'sudo alsactl restore' do (without rebooting, i mean)
[09:18] <ekimus> Lefungus: ":syntax on"
[09:19] <kayfelix> where does alsactrl store it?
[09:19] <Lefungus> ekimus, it's not enabled by default for C files ?
[09:19] <HappyFool> kayfelix: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, according to the man page
[09:19] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell me about mp3
[09:19] <ekimus> Lefungus: afaik vim runs by default in compat mode which doesn't do highlighting
[09:19] <Lefungus> hmm, it may explain a lots of things then
[09:20] <Lefungus> especially why the TERM trick doesn't work :)
[09:20] <ekimus> Lefungus: you may also want to set ":bs=2" this will make backspace work over newlines
[09:20] <Lefungus> thanks for the tip
[09:20] <lassesandberg> okay, i did what that site said, but i still cant find any gstreamer mp3 plugin in the list
[09:20] <ekimus> Lefungus: and read thru the icr log on vi-improved.org
[09:21] <Lefungus> yup, :syntax on does work
[09:21] <HappyFool> to get syntax highlight try ":wq!emacs<enter>M-xfont-lock-mode<enter>"
[09:21] <HappyFool> ;)
[09:21] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: it's called gstreamer0.8-mad, i think
[09:22] <lassesandberg> yeah, the site said that to. but it dont show up in the list, after i enabled the repositories that the site said :/
[09:22] <ekimus> HappyFool: emacs is cool, but vim is easier (no joke). because you don't have to know lisp to configure it...
[09:22] <mik3> lassesandberg : what's your problem again? it sounds vaguely familiar
[09:22] <Lefungus> I knew how to quit Emacs, that wasn't true with vi :D
[09:22] <Lefungus> in the first run
[09:22] <djp> anyone know what this message means when compiling, glade/interface.c:2065: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast?
[09:23] <lassesandberg> im trying to get the gstreamer mp3 plugin
[09:23] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: then it is likely that you have made an error. read the instructions carefully and try again; if it still doesn't work, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to the paste-bin
[09:23] <pepsi> bob_too, vmware works! :D
[09:23] <Concord_Dawn> Poll: Best MTP?
[09:23] <ekimus> Lefungus: was just the other way around here....using both, depends on what i'm doing...but then i have to change my WM at least 3 times a day to be happy ;)
[09:23] <darkheart> djp It means exactly what it says =) but it's just a warning so you should be fine.
[09:23] <HappyFool> djp: at a guess something like "char* a=23;" is being done
[09:23] <lassesandberg> okay, i will. i have no idea what the last you said means tho, im very new to linux :P
[09:24] <mik3> well then you chose the right distribution
[09:24] <HappyFool> ekimus: there's something wrong with having to learn lisp to configure your editor? ;) (i'm not a big e-lisp fan)
[09:25] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: fair enough. you can also put screenshots on the paste-bin, if you prefer
[09:25] <HappyFool> !paste-bin
[09:25] <ubotu> HappyFool: Not a clue
[09:25] <grimborg> hi!
[09:25] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[09:25] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:26] <djp> !pastebin
[09:26] <ekimus> HappyFool: nothing's wrong. it's just that i think it's overkill that you have to learn a programming language to configure your editor
[09:27] <mik3> ubuntu makes my peepee go, da doing doing doing
[09:27] <ekimus> HappyFool: but then... a friend of mine knows emacs and vim really very well. he stays with joe :)
[09:27] <spola> nothing beats gedit
[09:28] <ekimus> spola: i bet a really big magnet does exactly that :)
[09:28] <djp> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1835
[09:28] <grimborg> i've installed the support for the galician language (gl_ES) but when I log in i receive the message "Language gl_ES.UTF-8 does not exist. Using system default.". I installed language-pack-gl and language-support-gl and checked the /etc/locale.gen file: gl_ES.UTF-8 is there. i ran locale-gen and gl_ES.UTF-8 was generated. I also ran dpkg-reconfigure locales. None of these worked so far. searched around in google but found no more things to
[09:28] <grimborg> try. Any ideas on how to install the language or what may be wrong? thanks!!
[09:28] <djp> darkheart: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1835
[09:28] <spola> :p
[09:30] <kayfelix> happyfool: thanks, ill try it next time i reboot
[09:30] <ekimus> spola: just fore the sake of the argument: how do you use gedit to fix a broken X installation?
[09:30] <HappyFool> djp: is this an app you've written ?
[09:31] <HappyFool> ekimus: he uses git-less gedit, of course
[09:31] <ekimus> HappyFool: git-less?
[09:31] <HappyFool> ed! ;)
[09:31] <ekimus> .... :)
[09:32] <spola> ekimus, SWOOSH
[09:32] <ekimus> last week i had to fix a broken fstab on openbsd.... had to do it with sed because in the bsd.rd i couldn't find an editor quickly
[09:32] <spola> i'd take a liveCD but that's just me
[09:33] <djp> HappyFool: no it is the gens emulator
[09:33] <darkheart> djp Looks like you're missing some package.
[09:35] <HappyFool> djp: maybe what darkheart said. are there any errors about missing #include files? (they'll probably occur early on)
[09:35] <LinuxDolt> is there a good reason why i don't have a /dev/hdc?  i do have a secondary master IDE device, a dvd-rom, i also have a secondary slave, a cdrw drive.  the secondary slave (/dev/hdd) does exist
[09:35] <mik3> is there a certain way i should be emptying the trash bin?
[09:36] <mik3> LinuxDolt: add it to /etc/fstab?
[09:36] <darkheart> djp Try to include a few more lines above the messages you pasted also.
[09:36] <AristoMagnus> can someone tell me why my vfat are mounted but not in fstab ? where ubuntu configure that kind of mount
[09:36] <LinuxDolt> mik3: err, i'd be glad to, as soon as i have the device node
[09:36] <HappyFool> LinuxDolt: is it in /proc/ide anywhere?
[09:37] <pepsi> how can i see how much memory i have?
[09:37] <HappyFool> LinuxDolt: maybe in /proc/ide/ide1
[09:37] <lassesandberg> sorry to distrub you guys again,i've done as the instructions said exactly, i have the universe repository enabled, but the mp3 plugin is not in the list.
[09:37] <pepsi> free?
[09:37] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: ok, can you open 'gedit' (applications -> accessories -> text editor)
[09:37] <LinuxDolt> HappyFool: nope
[09:38] <AristoMagnus> forget my question, the vfat are there
[09:38] <HappyFool> LinuxDolt: hmm. checked the ide connection/power supply to the device?
[09:38] <pepsi> free says i  have 488M.. thats an odd number... where would 24M get lost?
[09:38] <djp> darkheart: i think it may be to do with gcc, i have just read that it cannot compile using gcc 3.3, which is what hoary uses by default. i will try and install gcc 2.95 and see if that helps...
[09:38] <lassesandberg> yeah, got it open now
[09:38] <AristoMagnus> its the usb auto-mount that i dont find
[09:38] <LinuxDolt> HappyFool: their fine, the device runs flawlessly in windows
[09:38] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: ok, go to file -> open
[09:39] <lassesandberg> done
[09:39] <dtamas> Are there anybody, who configured a citrix client on ubuntu? Which version fits with the default libxaw6?
[09:39] <dtamas> I'm using breezy
[09:39] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: double-click 'Filesystem' (on the left)
[09:39] <lassesandberg> done
[09:39] <darkheart> djp Yeah, that sounds like it makes sense =) try gcc 4.0
[09:39] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: then in the list window on the right, double click 'etc', then 'apt' and then 'sources.list'
[09:40] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: you should see a file starting with 'deb cdrom <more stuff>'
[09:40] <lassesandberg> yup
[09:41] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: ok, leave that window open. point your browser to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:41] <LinuxDolt> appearantly we've run out of ideas...
[09:41] <lassesandberg> okay, im there
[09:41] <elvirolo> hi all
[09:42] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: copy and paste the text of the file (sources.list) into the large text-entry area on the web-page, and press 'send' (you can put you nick in the space, if you want)
[09:42] <mik3> how do i modify file association? like mp3 files are opened by totem by default, i want them to be opened by bmp
[09:42] <McScruff> i know
[09:42] <McScruff> pick me
[09:42] <McScruff> :P
[09:42] <spiderworm> damn im going to start chrooting everything that has 64 bit problems.  this is great
[09:42] <McScruff> its in kcontrol
[09:42] <McScruff> ooo
[09:42] <McScruff> this aint kubuntu
[09:42] <lassesandberg> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1836
[09:42] <funkyHat> mik3, right click on a file of the type you want to change the association for, click on properties, then click on the 'open with' tab at the top, then choose the program you want to use
[09:43] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: ok, the only repository you appear to have enabled is the sourceforge.net wine repository
[09:43] <ompaul> LinuxDolt, you say you have /dev/hdd can you paste the contents of /etc/fstab for me to read along with the results of 'sudo fdisk -l' please
[09:44] <lassesandberg> argh, hmm. 2 secs :P
[09:44] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: anything with a '#' at the front is ignored in that file
[09:44] <dtamas> What can I do, when I'm downdate a package from debian repo and the updater always want to renew it? I have to use the previous stable package!
[09:44] <ompaul> the letter X
[09:44] <Seveas> hehe
[09:44] <lassesandberg> ahh doh, i know whats happend, i've mistaken theese ugly checkboxes for whats toggled and not. so i took all off instead of the wine one. now i feel kinda silly :p
[09:45] <lassesandberg> there it is, gstreamer0.8-mad.
[09:45] <lassesandberg> thanks alot for the help
[09:45] <tristanmike> Can someone help me understand why I can ping my router, but not the outsided world, but still surf? :)
[09:45] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: cool, np
[09:46] <lassesandberg> hmm, one last question. cant i somewhere in the theme or something edit how thoose checkboxes look? so they look somehow normal?
[09:46] <funkyHat> tristanmike, because your router is blocking pings ;)
[09:46] <funkyHat> :P
[09:46] <LinuxDolt> ompaul: what does my /etc/fstab have to do with device detection?  as for fdisk, it doesn't show anything regarding hdc or hdd, only hdb and hda, and sda#, which are my hard drives
[09:46] <HappyFool> lassesandberg: maybe in system -> preferences -> themes, but i'm not sure
[09:47] <dtamas> Nobody uses Citrix client on Ubuntu? I don't believe it!
[09:47] <lassesandberg> ohh, playing mp'3s now.
[09:47] <lassesandberg> okay. i'll look at it, thanks alot again
[09:48] <elvirolo> one of my friends has been having this prob (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14451) and I asked about it in the forums, I filled in a bug report ... but still no feedback ... it _is_ a rather severe problem though ... any ideas ?
[09:48] <grogoreo> hi
[09:48] <tristanmike> funkyHat, I'm pretty sure I could in windows, I know it's not windows but that why i wanna understand what's going on, thanx :)
[09:49] <funkyHat> i don't have any other ideas, just winding you up :P
[09:49] <funkyHat> perhaps something to do with UPnP? or maybe your router not using it properly...
[09:50] <grogoreo> I have a package that I want to build/compile (http://www.jahshaka.org/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,14/Itemid,49/) and I know how to comile it (using the make script) but how can I make it into a deb? would I just compile it then convert to deb. How would i specify the dependenices? Or do you know of a good guide to compiling and making a deb please?
[09:50] <tristanmike> funkyHat, :s
[09:50] <tristanmike> lol
[09:50] <funkyHat> (ok, so i just did have another idea)
[09:50] <[DF2] > how do i start up an internet connection... presuming i've setup the modem and everything elsr right?
[09:52] <elvirolo> does anyone know if the developpers are actively looking at bugs or not ? cause this is getting irritating (nothing to do with them, though)
[09:53] <puff> elvirolo: No idea.
[09:53] <[DF2] > i finally setup eciadsl, my modem is synching, have a tap0, etc... maybe a silly question but now how can i start an internet connection?
[09:53] <puff> elvirolo: Actually, I do have an idea.
[09:54] <elvirolo> puff: do you ?
[09:54] <puff> elvirolo: I posted a bug a few weeks ago - maybe four weeks ago.
[09:54] <elvirolo> :-P
[09:54] <grogoreo> I'm going to comiple a program (jahshaka) and after I do the configure, then make should I then turn the files into a deb, instead of doing 'make install'?
[09:54] <elvirolo> yes ...
[09:54] <puff> It was a pretty obscure but - problem with resume-from-hibernate on a specific laptop.
[09:54] <puff> And about three weeks later I got an email telling me one of the developers had looked at it and assigned it to somebody.
[09:54] <puff> So that's about what I know.
[09:55] <puff> I have another, more serious bug, that I've been meaning to psot the past several days, but the bugzilla doens't seem to be letting me.
[09:55] <LinuxDolt> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1837
[09:57] <puff> Anyway, to me, this indicates that the developers are at least *looking* at bugs.
[09:57] <puff> If they got to an obscure bug like that within three weeks.
[09:58] <elvirolo> puff: ok, thanks :)
[09:58] <spola> meh they should make it easier for noobs to report bugs, im sure 80% just thinks "pfft im not gonna bother registering an account for this shit"
[09:59] <spola> well i know i do
[10:00] <puff> Hm, I see;  the bugzilla for ubuntu universe is a different installation, needs a different login.
[10:00] <puff> spola: Yeah, but hey, what are you gonna do.
[10:00] <puff> any alternative would amount to just having no controls at all.
[10:01] <puff> Nothing preventing idiot script kiddies from bombarding you with bullshit.
[10:01] <juanma> what is the bittorrent client installed with ubuntu hoary=
[10:01] <juanma> ?
[10:01] <puff> Maybe some sort of CAPTCHA system and an installed-by-default bug-reporting tool?
[10:02] <puff> CAPTCHA being those schemes where it displays a graphic and asks you to type in the word.
[10:02] <puff> Something like that, that would install maybe an SSL cert in your browser, would do the trick.
[10:03] <GregAsche> is there a tool to mass convert all .mp3 files in a directory to .wav files?
[10:03] <cyphase> Katrina Public Web Project Wants Volunteers - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1855469,00.asp
[10:03] <LinuxDolt> GregAsche: the point?
[10:05] <GregAsche> i'm burning a copy of this cd I made, but i can't play .mp3 files in a cd player...
[10:06] <LinuxDolt> no... that you cannot...  aren't there plugins for outputting what you're listening to to a file instead of audio output?  why don't you do that, set all the files up in a playlist, and just play them in your favorite audio player?
[10:07] <GregAsche> i don't know of any plugins that do that
[10:07] <LinuxDolt> what program do you use?  xmms?
[10:07] <GregAsche> amarok
[10:07] <GregAsche> i have xmms installed
[10:08] <GregAsche> i could use that
[10:08] <LinuxDolt> i don't know anything about amarok...
[10:08] <GregAsche> is there a plugin for xmms?
[10:08] <LinuxDolt> but i'm certain there're disk writers for xmms
[10:09] <elvirolo> GregAsche: with this :   mpg123 -b 10000 -s "$1" | sox -t raw -r 44100 -s -w -c2 - "$2" ?
[10:10] <GregAsche> where do i run that?
[10:10] <LinuxDolt> GregAsche: from the terminal emulator
[10:11] <LinuxDolt> GregAsche: and his solution will be the simplest :)
[10:11] <elvirolo> GregAsche: well, in a terminal ... and you replace "$1" and "$2" by the appropriate filenames
[10:11] <GregAsche> ok
[10:11] <GregAsche> thanks
[10:11] <elvirolo> np
[10:11] <elvirolo> of course, sox has to be installed
[10:11] <GregAsche> i have it installed
[10:12] <c0rrupt_> doesnt it suck
[10:12] <LinuxDolt> elvirolo: is sox not installed by default in ubuntu?
[10:13] <Seveas> c0rrupt_, use your nickserv password as channel password
[10:13] <elvirolo> LinuxDolt: no, i don't think so
[10:13] <Seveas> then you're identified in time for autojoins to work
[10:13] <svu> who is maintaining kernel in ubuntu?
[10:13] <Seveas> the kernel maintainers
[10:13] <elvirolo> ben something ? :-D
[10:14] <LinuxDolt> elvirolo: indeed it is not... *proceeds to install it* i just know i'm going to be needing it at some time or another
[10:14] <Seveas> svu, why do you need to know?
[10:14] <svu> Seveas, what is the right way to contact them?
[10:14] <elvirolo> LinuxDolt: it's always useful :)
[10:14] <Seveas> depends on the reason
[10:14] <[DF2] > how can i check to see if rp-pppoe is installed on my system?
[10:14] <svu> Seveas, they included driver for acx_pci and forgot acx_usb. Is it a reason to register a bug?
[10:15] <Seveas> svu, a wishlist bug i guess
[10:15] <Whistler> how do i install run files?
[10:15] <Whistler> sh filename?
[10:15] <Whistler> or smt like that?
[10:15] <Seveas> Whistler, what is it?
[10:15] <[DF2] > i've been trying to setup my modem for 3 long and stressful days now
[10:15] <svu> Seveas, well, probably you are right...
[10:16] <[DF2] > it finially seems to be setup ok now
[10:16] <LinuxDolt> anyways.  there are some new people around now, anyone have any ideas why i might be missing /dev/hdc when i have a secondary master ide device in the system, as well as a secondary slave, which i DO have the device file for, hdd?
[10:16] <Whistler> Seveas its a game
[10:16] <z0unds> hi, i need some help making fstab mount my ntfs partition at bootup, i did this in /etc/fstab : /dev/hda5       /mnt/d-drive    ntfs    ro,user,exec,suid,dev           0      0   (problem is it only allows root to view the folder)
[10:16] <[DF2] > i just need a little help getting the internet connection started.. can anyone please help
[10:16] <[DF2] > i'm on the edge of hurting myself
[10:16] <LinuxDolt> relevant data: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1837
[10:16] <Seveas> z0unds: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[10:17] <Whistler> so how do i start *run files?
[10:17] <Seveas> remove all windows partitions from fstab prior to running the script
[10:17] <Seveas> Whistler, chmod +x filename.run
[10:17] <Seveas> ./filename.run
[10:17] <elvirolo> whoops
[10:18] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get a new login in an XNest?
[10:18] <mik3> Seveas mind if i send you a query real quick?
[10:18] <Solol> Ubuntu really is an awesome distro
[10:18] <elvirolo> anyone knows when X will be fixed in breezy ?
[10:18] <Seveas> mik3, sure
[10:19] <Seveas> elvirolo, it should be fixed right now/real soon now
[10:19] <z0unds> okay Seveas: how do i run the script?
[10:19] <dieman> heh
[10:19] <dieman> tour!
[10:19] <dieman> trying to see if the lug here is interesed
[10:19] <dieman> interested
[10:19] <dieman> hopefully we still have an airline by november
[10:19] <Gnonthgol> elvirolo: they are giving out breezy in october sor...
[10:19] <dieman> and they don't go bankrupt or something
[10:19] <durt> how can i play videos in beep-media-player? the xmms-mplayer plugin doesnt seem to work
[10:20] <elvirolo> Seveas: cause i have trouble compiling the kopete svn ... configure can't find my X includes, although they are installed
[10:20] <Nalioth> z0unds: open the script in a text editor and read it
[10:20] <z0unds> Seveas: sry my bad i know
[10:20] <Nalioth> z0unds: most things that end in .sh have instructions at the top of them (they're mostly fancy txt files)
[10:20] <Seveas> elvirolo, what exactly can't it find?
[10:21] <Nalioth> durt: to my knowledge, bmp is for audio only
[10:21] <Seveas> ContinuumXLS, welcome ;)
[10:21] <Nalioth> durt: but i may be wrong
[10:21] <ContinuumXLS> hey =D
[10:21] <mik3> no you're right
[10:21] <elvirolo> Seveas: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:22] <Nalioth> elvirolo: install "xlibs-dev"
[10:22] <Seveas> try: apt-get build-dep kopete
[10:22] <LinuxDolt> vlc is the king of video playback.  why try anything else?
[10:22] <QMario> How do I run an executable?
[10:22] <ContinuumXLS> I'll be right back - have to get ready for work
[10:22] <Seveas> that installs all build dependencies
[10:22] <Seveas> QMario, /path/to/executable
[10:22] <Pickle_Weasel> is there an equalizer for rhythmbox?
[10:22] <Seveas> if it's in the current dir: ./executable
[10:22] <Gnonthgol> QMario: what is the problem?
[10:22] <jfosa> is there a way to  'lock' the system?
[10:22] <durt> i copied the xmms-mplayer .so files to the bmp input directory, but bmp still wont play videos, whereas xmms will - oh well
[10:23] <elvirolo> Nalioth: oh thanks
[10:23] <LinuxDolt> durt: why don't you go give vlc a whirl?  it's a much better program imo
[10:23] <Nalioth> jfosa: log out
[10:23] <jfosa> okay found it, thanks :)
[10:24] <OneSeventeen> I'm in the states and am getting a custom license plate for a Mazda 6, any clever geeky ideas?  (max 7 characters)
[10:24] <LinuxDolt> as far as video playback goes, that is.  bmp is the best for audio playback
[10:24] <marcin_ant> elvirolo, hi
[10:24] <OneSeventeen> (I figured the ubuntu channel would be geeky enough to come up with good suggestions)
[10:24] <durt> linuxdolt: and is vlc any good with audio? i have it but prefer totem for video
[10:24] <marcin_ant> elvirolo, what's wrong with X on breezy?
[10:24] <gnumdk> some ubuntu devels in the place?
[10:24] <QMario> Gnonthgol, I figured it out! Thank you Seveas! :)
[10:24] <hmrocha> marcin_ant, i have breezy and X is working fine
[10:24] <Nalioth> OneSeventeen: how bout "ubuntu"?
[10:25] <LinuxDolt> durt: vlc really isn't designed for audio, although i assume it can play audio
[10:25] <marcin_ant> hmrocha, I have breezy too on desktop and laptop and X is working fine too
[10:25] <Seveas> OneSeventeen, Ubuntu
[10:25] <Seveas> :D
[10:25] <OneSeventeen> I thought about that, but haven't decided yet... I've also thought about "APTGET6" since it is going on a 6
[10:25] <marcin_ant> hmrocha, so, I don't know what can be wrong with X in breezy
[10:25] <Pickle_Weasel> is there an equalizer for rhythmbox?
[10:25] <OneSeventeen> There will definitely be an Ubuntu logo on the front license plate, since my state doesn't require a real license plate up there.
[10:25] <mik3> anyone ever notice cp is slower than drag and drop copying?
[10:26] <durt> ok,  well i was just looking for a way to get a good all-in-one media player
[10:26] <Kyral> mik3, not for going through like 12 directories
[10:26] <Kyral> or batch copies
[10:26] <LinuxDolt> OneSeventeen: how about IR1337?
[10:26] <Kyral> or anything really :D
[10:26] <Gnonthgol> OneSeventeen: what about "wlanmob"?
[10:26] <mik3> what would the syntax to copy all certain files in all directorys?
[10:26] <elvirolo> Nalioth: thx it worked
[10:26] <mik3> so you're saying typing cd * is faster than clicking on *
[10:26] <rob_p> OneSeventeen:  or, "RTFM"
[10:26] <czeslaw> hello
[10:27] <Kyral> "certain" files?
[10:27] <Nalioth> elvirolo: np
[10:27] <OneSeventeen> Gnonthgol: if I were going to put wireless on it, I might... (and I haven't decided yet if I'm going to go through the effort of a car pc)
[10:27] <mik3> yeah, im going through all of my cd's copying mp3 files to drive
[10:27] <LinuxDolt> mik3: yes, typing is faster than clicking :D
[10:27] <mik3> lies!
[10:27] <Nalioth> durt: vlc will play anthing, but has little "bling" (addons)
[10:27] <LinuxDolt> never!
[10:27] <OneSeventeen> rob_p: I have a personal vendetta against RTFM, it is my goal to strip it from the geek language.... :p
[10:28] <OneSeventeen> I can use a plus sign and spaces as well (plus comes out as a "zia symbol")
[10:28] <rob_p> OneSeventeen:  he, he :-)
[10:28] <Nalioth> OneSeventeen: how bout "jfgi"  ? lol
[10:28] <czeslaw> i'm starting to fight with my acer laptop and battery status support. wish me luck
[10:28] <Seveas> OneSeventeen, great
[10:28] <OneSeventeen> maybe "NO RIAA" or "NO MPAA"
[10:28] <mik3> woot acer
[10:28] <Seveas> that's just the attitude we need in here, ban the RTFM :)
[10:28] <czeslaw> yes, i arleady know, acer + linux = sux
[10:28] <mik3> cp: reading `Bighose Presents-Jasmine St. Claire Awesome Anal & Deep Thro.mpg': Input/output error
[10:28] <mik3> oops
[10:28] <Seveas> "NO RIAA" would rock :)
[10:29] <mik3> mispaste
[10:29] <z0unds> Hey i ran the automaticly-mount-ntfs-drives-script and i still dont have access to them as normal user??
[10:29] <Seveas> mik3, eek
[10:29] <czeslaw> but i want to fight, anyway
[10:29] <LinuxDolt> how about BSB?  (Bush Sucks Balls)
[10:29] <durt> with bmp/xmms i can adjust the sound with presets and heaphone plugins, etc. is that possible in vlc?
[10:29] <Seveas> z0unds, did you remove them from fstab prior to running the script?
[10:29] <mik3> so yeah, these mp3's that i'm copying, seems the cd's are corrupt
[10:29] <LinuxDolt> i think most geeks agree with that statement ;)
[10:29] <helenka> hi there
[10:29] <Nalioth> mik3: BUSTED! lolol
[10:29] <OneSeventeen> yeah, my wife won't let me get the "negative" ones... so NO RIAA and NO MPAA are not an option (neither is LIBCSS)
[10:29] <mik3> teehee
[10:30] <z0unds> Seveas: i removed the thing i made myself and ran the script with sudo
[10:30] <helenka> please does anyone have experience with installing ac 97 with Intel 82801BA chip?
[10:30] <helenka> or any page perhaps.
[10:30] <helenka> ?
[10:30] <OneSeventeen> LinuxDolt: as a dissinterested geek, I actually don't care much about politics... I complain too much when I get involved :p
[10:30] <lakcaj> helenka, did you try alsaconf as root?
[10:30] <LinuxDolt> OneSeventeen: haha
[10:30] <Nalioth> lets try to keep politics out of here, please
[10:30] <helenka> lakcaj: not yet will do it right now
[10:30] <OneSeventeen> or AMD64 but then I'd have to change myplate as I upgrade!
[10:31] <Seveas> z0unds, put your current fstab on the pastebin together with the output of mount
[10:31] <LinuxDolt> eh?  AMD64 shall remain immortal!
[10:31] <Nalioth> OneSeventeen: AMDPWNS
[10:31] <lakcaj> helenka, after alsaconf, if everything went fine, run alsamixer and make sure the channels are unmuted and turned up.
[10:31] <djp> how do i change my bpp? i want to reduce it to 16bpp
[10:31] <OneSeventeen> Nalioth: that's actually a really good one I hadn't thought of!
[10:31] <z0unds> Seveas: what do you mean by output of the mount?
[10:31] <Gnonthgol> OneSeventeen: what about "MS DoS"?
[10:32] <LinuxDolt> Gnonthgol: lol, that's perfect!
[10:32] <OneSeventeen> Gnonthgol: their last "stable" OS... not a bad idea! (j/k don't want to start MS bashing here)
[10:32] <LinuxDolt> Microsoft Denial of Service :D
[10:32] <Gnonthgol> lol
[10:32] <OneSeventeen> or simply GPL
[10:32] <BjornW> can I just change the /var mount by  remounting it to a new hd?
[10:32] <Seveas> z0unds, run mount (without arguments) in a terminal
[10:33] <Seveas> the output of that :)
[10:33] <helenka> lakcaj: I don't have alsaconf but alsamixer
[10:33] <LinuxDolt> OneSeventeen: for some reason i doubt that MS bashing will carry any consequences around here...
[10:33] <djp> how can i change my color depth to 16bit under hoary?
[10:33] <helenka> how can I demute the alsa there?
[10:33] <h0sl3r> Help. I just installed Apache2 with php4 using ubuntuguide.org and php is not working. Do I have to edit anything?
[10:33] <helenka> xmms appears to be playing, however it is mute
[10:33] <OneSeventeen> LinuxDolt: yeah, but it's like beating a dead/closed source horse...
[10:33] <lakcaj> helenka, press m when you have the channel highlighted
[10:33] <helenka> ... no sound is comming out
[10:33] <LinuxDolt> unless it got out of hand, of course
[10:33] <Nalioth> LinuxDolt: ms-bashing (overt) goes in #ubuntu-offtopic (where you can get really nasty)
[10:34] <BjornW> how can I mount /var to a new hd?
[10:34] <ContinuumXLS> Where can I find the plugin to listen to mp3 files? I want to use my Ipod on my ubantu comp
[10:34] <delmonico> hey :)
[10:34] <Nalioth> !tell ContinuumXLS about restricted
[10:34] <durt> helenka, you may have to change the output to alsa
[10:34] <durt> in xmms
[10:34] <Nalioth> ContinuumXLS: check your Priv msgs
[10:34] <ContinuumXLS> How?
[10:34] <delmonico> I have problems installing hoary on my new FSC Amilo Pro V8010 notebook :( the installer doesnt find the CDROM. I tried to locate it on the console, apparently the SATA HDD and DVD-RW drives are not working :( any ideas?
[10:35] <elvirolo> that's something ... i _never_ managed to read *anything* with totem ... eveything works with xine / amarok / kaffeine though
[10:35] <ContinuumXLS> Oh, thanks
[10:35] <z0unds> Seveas: i think i know my problem, i didnt umount it before i did the script :)
[10:35] <lakcaj> helenka, sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss
[10:35] <Seveas> z0unds, check :)
[10:35] <lakcaj> helenka, alsaconf
[10:35] <h0sl3r> Help. I just installed Apache2 with php4 using ubuntuguide.org and php is not working. Do I have to edit anything?
[10:35] <lakcaj> helenka, alsamixer
[10:35] <z0unds> Seveas: brb logoff/login ^_^
[10:35] <lakcaj> helenka, I guess that should be sudo alsaconf
[10:36] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: did you install apache2's mod_php4 or whatever it's called?
[10:36] <ContinuumXLS> Thanks for the help!
[10:36] <ContinuumXLS>  I have to go
[10:36] <h0sl3r> OneSeventeen: yeah
[10:37] <helenka> didn't have alsa-oss installed
[10:37] <helenka> will do that now
[10:38] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: did you also install like 2 or 3 other php4 related items?  (I remember having to install a bunch of packages like php4 php4-dev apache2_mod_php4 and a few others....)
[10:38] <tear> hi, I kinda need some help :/
[10:38] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: those packages are fake, not the real names for them because I forgot
[10:38] <durt> ask tear
[10:38] <OneSeventeen> (just wanted to throw a disclaimer in there!)
[10:38] <helenka> thank you for help will do it :)
[10:38] <TheMagnumMunkey> hey, i need sum help installing the moodin engine for kde.
[10:38] <lakcaj> helenka, working now?
[10:38] <z0unds> Seveas: works :)
[10:38] <tear> well I was AFK during most of the installation, and I just switched to Ubunto, and it never asked me to enter a root password
[10:39] <helenka> not yet ... try it just now
[10:39] <lakcaj> ok
[10:39] <elvirolo> !tell tear about root
[10:39] <elvirolo> lol
[10:39] <TheMagnumMunkey> ...
[10:39] <lakcaj> what's the bot's name in this channel?
[10:40] <z0unds> how do i start a VNC server?
[10:40] <mik3> !tell lakcaj your name
[10:40] <h0sl3r> OneSeventeen: I followed the ubuntuguide.org instructions. I have libapache2-mod-php4, and php4 installed. you say i need php4-dev too?
[10:40] <Gnonthgol> ubotu tell lakcaj abotu ubotu
[10:40] <Nalioth> !tell lakcaj about ubotu
[10:40] <AristoMagnus> freenode'ubotu
[10:40] <Seveas> z0unds, I know it works
[10:40] <lakcaj> thanks :)
[10:40] <Seveas> I wrote it :)
[10:40] <h0sl3r> OneSeventeen: i also have php4-common
[10:40] <z0unds> Seveas: Nice :D:D
[10:40] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: I was thinking of php4-common, not php4-dev, sorry about that
[10:40] <mik3> going through a box of burnt cd's for misc. video and music is like treasure hunting
[10:40] <mik3> it makes me go 'arrrrrr, avast ye!'
[10:41] <elvirolo> Seveas: he 's great :) how do i get the list of the commands one can pass him ?
[10:41] <Seveas> z0unds, system -> prefs -> remote desktop
[10:41] <z0unds> Seveas, i have a problem with captive-ntfs, i dosnt compile the LUFS kernel modules correctly, what can i do?
[10:41] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: I really don't know what else to say, forgetting to install everything was my mistake, once I installed them, php worked fine...
[10:41] <Seveas> z0unds, i've never seen captive+ubuntu work
[10:41] <Nalioth> z0unds: captive ntfs is bad.
[10:41] <z0unds> Nalioth, anything i should use instead?
[10:42] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: sorry, that's the only idea I had.... is it just displaying the PHP scripts code isntead of executing it?  or does it spit out errors?
[10:42] <h0sl3r> OneSeventeen: could you open synaptic and see which apache and php packages you have installed for me?
[10:42] <Nalioth> z0unds: for what?
[10:42] <h0sl3r> OneSeventeen: yeah its making me download the file and not showing what is supposed to be shown.
[10:42] <LinuxDolt> this is extremely annoying...  there must be some way to delay autojoin until automatic nickserv identification
[10:42] <z0unds> Nalioth, writing to ntfs drives :)
[10:42] <Nalioth> LinuxDolt: what client?
[10:42] <Nalioth> z0unds: use Windows XP
[10:42] <OneSeventeen> h0sl3r: Unfortunately I installed PHP on another computer and have formatted it since then.  (I decided not to use my laptop as a server...  I was just playing with it for a while)
[10:43] <LinuxDolt> Nalioth: x-chat
[10:43] <Nalioth> LinuxDolt: see the xchat forums, (i run irssi, and dont know much about delays)
[10:43] <z0unds> Nalioth, i deleted that and used the partition for ubuntu :)
[10:43] <Seveas> LinuxDolt, use your nickserv password as server password
[10:43] <h0sl3r> ok
[10:43] <Seveas> then you're immediately identified
[10:43] <Seveas> and autojoins work :)
[10:44] <Nalioth> z0unds: then why do you want to write to NTFS, if you havent got any partitions of NTFS?
[10:44] <mik3> haha
[10:44] <h0sl3r> Does anyone know how to get php4 to work with apache2 on ubuntu? I think I installed all the right packages, but it still wont work.
[10:45] <zukalk> !lamp
[10:45] <ubotu> somebody said lamp was Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:45] <Seveas> h0sl3r, libapache2-mod-php4
[10:45] <h0sl3r> Seveas: allready have that installed
[10:45] <priest> i'm trying to get a atheros wlan to work in hoary, but i'm getting this error: "ath%d: unable to attach hardware; HAL status 1" what can i do?
[10:45] <z0unds> Nalioth, because windows was on 1 out of 3 NTFS partitions, so that if i deleted the windows partition i wouldnt loose the files on the others :)
[10:45] <h0sl3r> zakulk: ill look into that
[10:46] <Gnonthgol> !your name
[10:46] <ubotu> My name is ubotu.
[10:46] <Carpe_Libertatem> !my name
[10:46] <ubotu> from memory, my name is ubotu
[10:46] <Nalioth> z0unds: i believe you are out of luck
[10:46] <Gnonthgol> done that to
[10:46] <Nalioth> z0unds: google "barts pe disk"
[10:47] <Nalioth> z0unds: or get someone to gift you with partition magic (converts filesystems)
[10:47] <z0unds> Nalioth, but isnt partition magic for windows? :)
[10:48] <Nalioth> z0unds: PM is os-agnostic
[10:49] <Gnonthgol> z0unds: one tip, bootup disks
[10:49] <jobli> ok
[10:49] <Gnonthgol> ok?
[10:49] <mik3> i have bart pe somewhere
[10:51] <Nalioth> MrGardenHoseMan: are you using moodin .4.1?
[10:51] <anasizon> how do I set my screen resolution to 1024x768, the option is not there in the resolution system tool
[10:52] <Nalioth> !tell anasizon about resolution
[10:52] <anasizon> thanks nalioth
[10:52] <MrGardenHoseMan> isn't that for kde?
[10:53] <Nalioth> MrGardenHoseMan: sorry, got a buncha windows open, and missent
[10:53] <MrGardenHoseMan> ahh hehe
[10:53] <MrGardenHoseMan> np
[10:53] <Nalioth> MrGardenHoseMan: didnt mean to wake you up
[10:54] <helenka> lakcaj: can't find alsaconf anywhere
[10:54] <helenka> have only alsamixeer
[10:54] <z0unds> can i make a folder on the desktop that shows the content of /media/mounted-partition ?
[10:55] <Seveas> z0unds, cd ~/Desktop
[10:55] <bur[n] er> z0unds: make a shortcut
[10:55] <Seveas> ln -s /media/something
[10:55] <nitrium> hello
[10:55] <z0unds> thx :D
[10:56] <elvirolo> nitrium: hi
[10:56] <bur[n] er> anyone have any luck with qemu & kqemu in breezy?  <---i get make errors
[10:56] <JazyLNX> hey guys
[10:56] <Gnonthgol> !my name
[10:56] <ubotu> Your name is gnonthgol!
[10:56] <JazyLNX> anyone run any snes emu in ubuntu
[10:56] <JazyLNX> which would be the easiest to install.
[10:57] <bur[n] er> JazyLNX: zsnes
[10:57] <elvirolo> !bot abuse
[10:57] <ubotu> [bot abuse]  a bannable offense
[10:57] <bur[n] er> JazyLNX: sudo apt-get install zsnes
[10:58] <z0unds> is there a movie-player that supports divx or xvid or where can i download the plugins for it for Totem ?
[10:58] <hmrocha> z0unds, install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:59] <Seveas> z0unds, use totem-xine + w32codecs
[10:59] <JazyLNX> bur[n] er,  not avlible but avlible through another package
[11:00] <JazyLNX> i searched for it in apt. and nothing
[11:00] <JazyLNX> i did find snes9x
[11:01] <Carpe_Libertatem> congrats
[11:01] <aTypical> Hello all.  I'm trying to boot the LIVE CD, but am having trouble.  It gets to loading HAL but then nothing.  Anyone know what would cause that?
[11:01] <helenka> well can't do anything about it today will try it tommorow.  Thank you everybody  for help and will log-on t.  See ya :)
[11:02] <lakcaj> Why does ubuntu remove alsaconf from alsa-utils?
[11:03] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone have a working rc.d script for pvpgn around?
[11:04] <imfuedsfalic> I need to get a promt but all I get on boot is a graphical prompt to enter my username
[11:05] <z0unds> Seveas, where do i get w32codecs
[11:05] <elvirolo> z0unds: backports?
[11:06] <LasseL> !backports
[11:06] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:06] <zukalk> my ubuntu has been working slower over time. is this normal (like on winblows)?
[11:06] <z0unds> okay :)
[11:06] <Nalioth> imfuedsfalic: hit ctrl-alt-f3
[11:06] <Fanskapet> zukalk what do you mean by that?
[11:06] <imfuedsfalic> Thanks nalioth
[11:06] <Fanskapet> zukalk no it's not normal
[11:06] <Fanskapet> just if you install alot of crap
[11:06] <pabqas> hey.  Could someone help me please.  There are a million ways it seems to do NAT with 2 network adapters with a subnet and a public ip.  I want to do nat with one machine in college that has a college ip, but it's also it's public ip .... how do I best achieve this and how best do I set up ubuntu as a network gateway?
[11:07] <Fanskapet> as linux would be aswell.. when installed alot of crap that is
[11:07] <zukalk> Fanskapet, takes more time to load after GDM logon, apps seem heavier too
[11:07] <Fanskapet> zukalk probably overlasting your computer's memory
[11:07] <zukalk> Fanskapet, even with 1GB ram?
[11:07] <Fanskapet> exeding your physical memory and using swap more.
[11:07] <sorush20> hi..
[11:08] <Seveas> z0unds, hoary-extras
[11:08] <z0unds> ubotu, the sites seem to be down
[11:08] <ubotu> z0unds: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:08] <z0unds> eh?
[11:08] <zukalk> Fanskapet, isn't there anyting like a hdd defrag tool?
[11:08] <Fanskapet> hmm well.. dunno.. maybe your apps reads alot from your hardware
[11:08] <Seveas> z0unds, ubotu is a bot
[11:08] <sorush20> how can I download miniDV form my handy cam Using USB 2.0 rather that firewire since I don't have firewire
[11:08] <z0unds> lol
[11:08] <Fanskapet> zukalk hmm there is.. but ext drives doesn't get much defragmented.
[11:08] <Seveas> !ubotu
[11:08] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:08] <zukalk> Fanskapet, i'm talking about normal apps, like browsers, gaim, etc
[11:08] <Fanskapet> so there's actually no need to defrag the drive.
[11:08] <sorush20> why doesn't firefox save my emails on yahoo and hotmail when I have tryped it and accidently go back to forward to a page using the same email composing tab?
[11:08] <rob_p> pabqas:  Here's an Internet Connection Sharing how-to written specifically for Ubuntu if you're interested: http://rob.pectol.com/content/view/28/76/
[11:08] <Fanskapet> zukalk, then it's not normal.
[11:09] <zukalk> damn
[11:09] <Fanskapet> zukalk still.. gnome is pretty slow to begin with.
[11:09] <Fanskapet> zukalk try xfce
[11:09] <pabqas> rob_p: cool.  thanks I'll check it out.  I'm going crazy ... I had it all set up with RH 9, but the system sucked.
[11:09] <Seveas> rob_p, ics is easy: install firestarter and tick 'enable ics'
[11:09] <pabqas> Now the system is sweet but all my machines are internetless!
[11:09] <z0unds> Seveas, still dosnt work
[11:09] <LasseL> yeah, gnome could use a feature freeze for a couple of releases and a full focus on optimizations
[11:09] <zukalk> Fanskapet, can the fact that i have Ubuntu and windblows in the same physical disc explain that?
[11:10] <Seveas> pabqas, then install firestarter :)
[11:10] <rob_p> Seveas:  Yes, it is!
[11:10] <Seveas> z0unds, what's the error?
[11:10] <Fanskapet> zukalk no that has nothing to do with that since you got them on different partitions.
[11:10] <pabqas> I'm doing it remotely from ssh
[11:10] <Nalioth> brb
[11:10] <Fanskapet> zukalk running some strange docking app on gnome?
[11:10] <zukalk> nope
[11:10] <Fanskapet> eg.. cpu stat plugin or something.
[11:11] <zukalk> on the contrary Fanskapet
[11:11] <LasseL> zukalk, samba shares?
[11:11] <zukalk> LasseL, yes
[11:11] <zukalk> LasseL, one shared folder
[11:11] <imfuedsfalic> after installation I cannot log into any of my accounts
[11:11] <z0unds> Seveas, "couldnt find the source-package-list" - it's in danish so you wouldnt understand
[11:11] <Seveas> z0unds, apt-get update
[11:11] <zukalk> actually, two, LasseL
[11:11] <LasseL> zukalk, I find my machine freezes sometimes, but that goes away if I reconnect to the samba shares
[11:12] <Fanskapet> hmm samba should not be a problem like that.
[11:12] <zukalk> LasseL, freezes how? completely?
[11:12] <z0unds> Seveas,  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-extras/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[11:12] <elvirolo> what's ghosting anyway?
[11:12] <LasseL> nautilus hangs ... can't get a simple 'ls' through in a terminal window even on other mounts
[11:12] <elvirolo> whoops wrong chan
[11:12] <vader1102> what does it meen when totem tellls me" Could not open resource for writing.
[11:13] <Seveas> z0unds, hoary-extras is not on archive.ubuntu.com
[11:13] <sorush20>  /umode +CE
[11:13] <z0unds> k backports works
[11:13] <Fanskapet> hmm backports really sucks.
[11:13] <Seveas> z0unds, try ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net for hoary-extras
[11:13] <zukalk> Fanskapet, i used to think that until i switched to the official backports
[11:13] <anasizon> restarting x now... hope it works
[11:13] <Fanskapet> just feels bad using backports.. would get in big problems probably when updating ubuntu at a later stage
[11:13] <z0unds> !backports
[11:13] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:14] <Fanskapet> i just use the official sources and then compile / install the other apps myself
[11:14] <Fanskapet> much better and safer.. then you always know where the stuff is placed and so on..
[11:14] <Fanskapet> more control over the os.
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[11:14] <Nalioth> much better
[11:14] <LasseL> z0unds, #ubuntu-dk ?
[11:14] <Nalioth> now to chase the dog
[11:15] <vader1102> Nalioth, what does it meen when totem tells me that it could not open the source for writing?
[11:16] <Fanskapet> ah just found a perfect ssh-ftp client for windows
[11:16] <Nalioth> vader1102: it can't find whatever you pointed it at
[11:16] <Fanskapet> WinSCP seems to rock really.
[11:16] <Nalioth> Fanskapet: ubuntu?
[11:16] <Fanskapet> no for windows.
[11:16] <zukalk> Fanskapet, i always liked SmartFTP
[11:16] <vader1102> hmmmmmm ok, it is on my USB disk and it is going through my usb 2.0 card
[11:16] <Nalioth> Fanskapet: i recommend filezilla to my windows-encumbered friends
[11:16] <Fanskapet> hmm well i use Total commander for the minor stuff like connecting to my xbox and then FlashFXP
[11:17] <Nalioth> vader1102: mebbe it doesnt know how to negotiate usb alleyways
[11:17] <vader1102> k
[11:17] <Fanskapet> but WinSCP was very light.. and well.. as im a previus Be user i like it *light* the only right way :)
[11:17] <vader1102> is there a how to, to get that working right?
[11:17] <imfuedsfalic> I cannot log in as root or my user ( I just installed and remember what I set up as)
[11:18] <Gnonthgol> vader1102: do you have ntfs on the udb?
[11:18] <Gnonthgol> *usb
[11:18] <vader1102> nooooo it is fat32
[11:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> imfuedsfalic: Why do you need to get on root?
[11:18] <durt> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_go_co/katrina_black_lawmakers
[11:18] <Lebanon> is there any package to install windows on my ubuntu ?
[11:18] <vader1102> I know the probs with ntfs
[11:18] <Lebanon> like virtual pc or something
[11:18] <imfuedsfalic> I wanted to set up a user to log into because the one I set up is not working
[11:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> Lebanon: Know packages I know of.
[11:19] <Seveas> Lebanon, qemu
[11:19] <Fanskapet> Seveas hmm.. why not wmware? :)
[11:19] <Seveas> search for qemu on the wiki to find a howto
[11:19] <Lebanon> hmm
[11:19] <Gnonthgol> Lebanon: try wine
[11:19] <Seveas> qemu is free/open
[11:19] <thrush> Lebanon, isnt vmware free for linux?
[11:19] <Fanskapet> Seveas that's true :)
[11:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> imfuedsfalic: type sudo adduser
[11:19] <Seveas> thrush, ni
[11:19] <Fanskapet> wmware is alot better though :)
[11:20] <Xanthus7> No vmware cost money
[11:20] <imfuedsfalic> carpe: at the login promt?
[11:20] <Pickle_Weasel> win2lin > all
[11:20] <Lebanon> guys
[11:20] <Pickle_Weasel> you have to pay for win2lin, though
[11:20] <Pickle_Weasel> but it's the best i've found
[11:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> imfuedsfalic: Try logging into root, using the password you setup before
[11:20] <hussam> does anybodu know if there is a gui frontend for qemu?
[11:20] <Xanthus7> Thrush can I pm you please
[11:20] <thrush> Xanthus7, np
[11:21] <imfuedsfalic> Carpe: ahhh the problem exactly I cannot login it says wrong password
[11:21] <Lebanon> Pickle_Weasel: they accept credit card?
[11:21] <Fanskapet> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5845905.html
[11:21] <Fanskapet> crap
[11:22] <Pickle_Weasel> uh...i don't know, i'm guessing they do
[11:22] <Pickle_Weasel> what sucks is that you need to have an actual retail copy of windows to install
[11:22] <Pickle_Weasel> and it only supports XP Pro and 200o Pro
[11:22] <Pickle_Weasel> 2000*
[11:22] <FatDarrel> what ?
[11:23] <Lebanon> XP is fine
[11:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> imfuedsfalic: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3609.html - that might help
[11:24] <imfuedsfalic> carpe :  thanks
[11:24] <Gnonthgol> Fanskapet: det er jo berre  sette opp ein spoof server
[11:24] <Xanthus7> Need some minor help  with kde  I need to find where I set fonts to I can enlarge the text
[11:24] <Fanskapet> Gnonthgol, hmm well jag har en pvpgn server uppsatt hos mig.
[11:25] <Fanskapet> fonkar prima :)
[11:25] <Fanskapet> dock s r rc.d scriptet ej funktionabelt som fljer med
[11:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> If I forget my password - am I done for?
[11:25] <Fanskapet> o de r lite illa vet inte riktigt hur jag ska f skiten att starta vid bootning.. kanske fr knpa ihop ett eget.
[11:25] <ompaul> Carpe_Libertatem, no
[11:25] <vader1102> what extension do I need to totem gstreamer to do mp3's?
[11:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> ompaul: What do I do then?
[11:26] <Xanthus7> Need some minor help  with kde  I need to find where I set fonts to I can enlarge the text
[11:26] <Gnonthgol> Fanskapet: det er ikkje s vanskelig  lage ein startup script, berre skj p dei eksisterende og kopier
[11:27] <ompaul> Carpe_Libertatem, thought you'd never ask :) okay first up you need to reboot, to get the machine into single user mode
[11:27] <Fanskapet> Gnonthgol hmm well well det som fljer med pvpgn fungerar inte
[11:27] <Fanskapet> Gnonthgol har du ett som fungerar som du kan dcca?
[11:27] <Gnonthgol> nei
[11:27] <ompaul> Carpe_Libertatem, when there you need to type the following command 'passwd your_username'
[11:27] <bibi2> is it possible to use your windows xp desktop (already installed) in ubuntu?
[11:28] <ompaul> Carpe_Libertatem, then you reboot again
[11:28] <Gnonthgol> bibi2: both is stored in dir.s but ubuntu dont have the .lnk
[11:29] <LasseL> !restrictedformats
[11:29] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[11:29] <LasseL> !codecs
[11:29] <ubotu> hmm... codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:30] <bibi2> Gnonthgol:  so the answer is no. Ok, what about reverse, access and use ubuntu desktop (already installed) in windows xp
[11:30] <ompaul> Carpe_Libertatem, to get into single user mode you need to press escape in the grub menu and choose rescue - is that enough info foryou?
[11:33] <tear> could anyone tell me how to set folder permissions by terminal command?
[11:33] <Gnonthgol> bibi2: the dir. is /home/<user>/Desktop in ubuntu and c:\Documents and settings\<user>\desktop ubuntu does not have suport for the shortcuts
[11:33] <imfuedsfalic> ompaul; thanks I am trying it
[11:33] <Gnonthgol> tear: chmod premisions file
[11:34] <Xanthus7> Anyone in here help  me with kde please
[11:35] <Nalioth> Xanthus7: have to ask a quetstion first
[11:35] <thrush> tear, apropos is a handy tool when looking for the right command
[11:35] <bibi2> Gnonthgol: I should be more clearer - i'm asking if it's possible to use windows xp inside ubuntu -not just accessing files from xp installing in ubuntu
[11:35] <hussam> Does anybodu know if there is a gui frontend for qemu?
[11:36] <Xanthus7> frist question I changed the right click button and cannot find where to change it back at
[11:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> hussam: There's none I have seen.
[11:37] <tear> thanks thrush and Gnonthgol
[11:37] <Gnonthgol> !tell bibi2 about wine
[11:37] <Nalioth> hussam: kqemu, perhaps?
[11:37] <Xanthus7> Can anyone help me with my question
[11:37] <delmonico> man ich knnt kotzen der schei sata controller macht rger
[11:38] <delmonico> sorry wrong window :P
[11:38] <imfuedsfalic> carpe and ompaul: I have added a user with the rescue prompt but "passwrd" and passwd" are both commands not found
[11:38] <hawking> what is "gnome-video-thu"? I see it when I write the command "top" ... what is this programme?
[11:39] <Lebanon> !tell Lebanon about wine
[11:39] <Lebanon> :P
[11:39] <dieman> thank god for fai. ive installed about 120 ubuntu machines in the last two weeks :)
[11:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> imfuedsfalic: passwd should work
[11:39] <ompaul> you did not want to add a user you wanted to 'passwd username' for your user - and if you can't do it its just me being silly - mount -a please
[11:40] <imfuedsfalic> sorry it worked thanks
[11:41] <Xanthus7> Nalioth I asked my question and got no response does that mean no has an answer
[11:41] <ompaul> imfuedsfalic, you did not want to add a user you wanted to 'passwd username' for your user - and if you can't do it its just me being silly - mount -a please
[11:41] <hawking> noone knows what it is? I see "gnome-video-thu" I can't kill it cause I don't know its exact name I just see this part
[11:42] <Xanthus7> frist question I changed the right click button and cannot find where to change it back at can some please answer this
[11:43] <Pistache`> hawking: use xkill
[11:43] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone here that is able to connect to ubuntuforums ?
[11:43] <Xanthus7> frist question I changed the right click button and cannot find where to change it back at can some please answer this
[11:44] <Seveas> Xanthus7, we can't do anything with that
[11:44] <Gnonthgol> Fanskapet: works for me
[11:44] <Seveas> be a bit more specific...
[11:44] <Fanskapet> hmm not for me.
[11:44] <Xanthus7> ok  thank you last one is there a place to change the font size in kde
[11:45] <funkyHat> what would i put in boot.ini in order to make it boot from a CD drive?
[11:45] <funkyHat> (no, i can't do it in the bios)
[11:45] <Lebanon> btw I cann't join as root ?:|
[11:46] <Seveas> welcome sofia :)
[11:46] <Gnonthgol> funkyHat: grub dont have suport for the cd fs
[11:46] <sofia> hi, i have a problem with vhcs, anybody can help me
[11:46] <sofia> hi
[11:46] <funkyHat> Gnonthgol, i have windows installed currently, i want to install linux instead
[11:47] <kayfelix> funkyhat: then install windows
[11:47] <kayfelix> *linux
[11:47] <funkyHat> kayfelix, read my messages above ^
[11:47] <kayfelix> funkyHat: good idea
[11:47] <sofia> i have a problem with vhcs, anyone can help me
[11:48] <kayfelix> funkyHat: nah still dont know what your problem is
[11:48] <Seveas> sofia, it helps if you state the problem
[11:48] <Gnonthgol> funkyHat: all bios can boot from cdrom, try F12, F2, Del, C any of thease can boot in cdrom or get into bios
[11:48] <Fanskapet> hmm
[11:48] <thrush> funkyHat, can you boot from floppy?
[11:48] <funkyHat> i can't boot from the CD rom drive because i can't get into the bios for the PCI IDE controller
[11:48] <kayfelix> Nalioth: im back mummy
[11:48] <vader1102> funkyHat, if you go into your BIOS, and set the boot order to boot from CD then it will
[11:48] <funkyHat> vader1102, ^PCI IDE
[11:49] <vader1102> hmmm
[11:49] <kayfelix> funkyHat: why cant you get set CDRom as a boot option in your bios?
[11:49] <funkyHat> because it has a PCI IDE
[11:49] <funkyHat> controller
[11:49] <funkyHat> which isn't managed by the bios
[11:49] <funkyHat> and i can't get into the configuration for the PCI IDE
[11:50] <kayfelix> funkyHat: so... cant you connect it to the ide controller?
[11:50] <kayfelix> funkyHat: or doesnt your mb have one?
[11:50] <vader1102> is there a way of getting the CD ROM on the MB?
[11:50] <sofia> when i try when attempt to enter myweb.com, I need that it goes to his respective index
[11:51] <Fanskapet> odd.
[11:51] <Fanskapet> 36 bytes from gw3-no88.tbcn.telia.com (81.233.194.1): Destination Host Unreachable
[11:51] <sofia> since this takes my localhost to me
[11:51] <Fanskapet> that i get when pinging ubuntuforums from my router
[11:51] <sofia> I am testing of local way
[11:51] <funkyHat> the MB does have IDE controllers, but 1, they are ata33, the PCI is ata100, 2, they aren't picking up the cdrom
[11:52] <funkyHat> i don't want to remove the PCI IDE controller, because chances are i won't be able to plug the drives back into that after installing linux without breaking everything
[11:52] <vader1102> well, is the CD ROM working?
[11:53] <funkyHat> it works in the PCI controller from inside windows
[11:53] <hawking> why was w32codecs removed from the repositories??
[11:53] <kayfelix> funkyHat: check the PCI IDE CARD's handbook, perhaps it tells you about jumpers you have to set to make it "bootable"
[11:53] <vader1102> ty kayfelix that's what I was typing lol
[11:53] <vader1102> funkyHat, google it
[11:53] <funkyHat> ok
[11:53] <sofia> I need that when puts myweb.com it goes to index of myweb.com
[11:53] <mik3> huhuhuhhuh you said hand
[11:53] <funkyHat> i'll have a look on the card
[11:54] <sofia> and that does not go to localhost
[11:54] <Seveas> sofia, what is vhcs?
[11:55] <sofia>  VHCS is a Professional Control Panel Software for shared, reseller, virtual and dedicated server management.
[11:55] <Seveas> right
[11:55] <vader1102> okay have a great night... I will figure this MP3 problem out some other time
[11:56] <Seveas> I don't think we can support that in here - it's not included in #ubuntu and I doubt that someone has any knowledge about it
[11:56] <Seveas> try the vhcs helpdesk
[11:56] <sofia> vhcs wiki is hacked
[11:57] <sofia> someone deleted all
[11:57] <sofia> docs
[11:59] <sofia> well, thanks for all Seveas