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| Mitario | heya guys | 01:36 |
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| slomo | hi Mitario :) | 01:37 |
| Mitario | slomo, hiya, hows mako? :p | 01:39 |
| slomo | Mitario: not responding ;) | 01:40 |
| Mitario | hrm :) | 01:40 |
| Mitario | he wasn't near new orleans right? :p | 01:40 |
| slomo | Mitario: boston afaik | 01:41 |
| Mitario | ah | 01:41 |
| slomo | i hope he looks at the CoCs soon... | 01:43 |
| Mitario | indeed | 01:45 |
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| Mitario | nn! | 01:45 |
| === slomo too | ||
| slomo | gn8 | 01:45 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: You around? | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Wanna do me a favor? | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | depends | 03:56 |
| bddebian | You hate me don't you? :-) | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | hm, no partimage in sarge, that is a pain | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | nope | 03:56 |
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| bddebian | Can you throw blacs-mpi up? I'm pretty sure just needs a rebuild and I need it for scalapack. | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | ok, I thought that one was rebuilt recently | 03:57 |
| === ajmitch checks | ||
| bddebian | Still shows in apt-cache unmet | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | right, not showing up here, but the package is broken | 03:59 |
| === ajmitch will check/rebuild | ||
| ajmitch | ah, a simple rebuild wouldn't fix it | 04:00 |
| ajmitch | since lam4 is hardcoded in depends, which is why the last upload didn't fix it for you :) | 04:00 |
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| ajmitch | fixed, building now... | 04:02 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Where is lam4 hardcoded? | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Ohh blacs1-lam what a dolt | 04:03 |
| === ajmitch pbuilderises | ||
| === ajmitch waits patiently.... | ||
| ajmitch | I need a faster box for this | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if there's room in the case for another hard drive.. | 04:07 |
| bddebian | Want me to put up a box for ya to build on? :-) | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | would it be any faster than my xp 1800+, with 1GB RAM? | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Hmm, probably not :-) | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | not much point then, is there? | 04:10 |
| tseng | my fastest box right now is 2ghz p4 | 04:10 |
| tseng | with maybe 512 | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | ok, it built | 04:10 |
| tseng | building mono on my laptop is a whore | 04:10 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I didn't know you had one. | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Your laptop is a whore? | 04:10 |
| tseng | yes | 04:10 |
| bddebian | Heh | 04:10 |
| tseng | it gets around | 04:10 |
| tseng | to australia, for instance | 04:11 |
| bddebian | You ain't seen shit until you try to build glibc on GNU/Hurd on a 550Mhz box with 384Mb.. ;-P | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | you didn't know I had what? | 04:11 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: An 1800 | 04:11 |
| tseng | bddebian: dude | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | that box is ~3 years old now | 04:11 |
| tseng | bddebian: ive run gentoo on a pentium 120 | 04:11 |
| bddebian | Uhm Gentoo <> GNU/Hurd ;-) | 04:12 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Obviously he doesn't know how slow i/o is on Hurd eh? ;-P | 04:12 |
| tseng | gentoo was pretty bare at the time | 04:12 |
| tseng | before it got easier and surrounded by kiddies | 04:12 |
| tseng | meh. | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you mean no DMA, no caching, and a completely untuned elevator algorithm? | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | aside from it all sitting on Mach | 04:13 |
| tseng | har har those are modules | 04:13 |
| tseng | you just need to build them | 04:13 |
| tseng | and um.. | 04:13 |
| tseng | PROFIT | 04:13 |
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| ajmitch | hey Lathiat | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | tseng: teh hurd is teh suck, k? | 04:15 |
| tseng | laughs | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: blacs-mpi hit breezy changes, should be in the archive soon if it builds ok | 04:20 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Hey | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | uh yeah | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | hey to you too | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | :) | 04:21 |
| bddebian | the hurd is the suck? | 04:21 |
| bddebian | Thanks for the upload btw | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: yes | 04:21 |
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| ajmitch | ok, scummvm fixed (sync from debian), with new desktop file | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it may have been on your list of FTBFS packages | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Thanks | 04:30 |
| bddebian | Gonna hit my new list on UniverseUnmetDeps too? :-) | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I might do | 04:31 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: You rock, now matter what I say about you. ;-) | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | some of your descriptions of failures are rather wrong, though :) | 04:31 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Such as? | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | pgadmin3 does not depend on polyxmass* | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | nor does pgaccess | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | they FTBFS due to failing to find postgresql headers & libs | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | for odd & varied reasons | 04:32 |
| === ajmitch is ready to stab this box | ||
| ajmitch | ****ing windows XP | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Gotta love it :-) | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | no I don't | 04:35 |
| bddebian | OK so I was smoking crack with pgadmin and pgaccess | 04:36 |
| dereks | anyone here a gdm guru? | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | dereks: no, do we need to be? | 04:39 |
| dereks | i am having problems with gdm or gnome, i can't log in to my box, and i need help | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | #ubuntu | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | much more likely to get answers | 04:39 |
| dereks | yeah, i have been asking there for a week | 04:39 |
| dereks | i gave up there | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | what happens, what changed? | 04:40 |
| dereks | it freezes once it authenticates me (with the right login/password) .... | 04:40 |
| dereks | note, gdm/x/gnome freezes, i can still ssh in | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | fun | 04:41 |
| dereks | loads | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | anything still on the screen? | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | or are you past gdm & have a blank screen with a cursor? | 04:42 |
| dereks | it keeps gdm on there | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | crackful | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | yay, scummvm built | 04:42 |
| dereks | yup, keeps gdm on the screen as a tease! | 04:42 |
| dereks | if i do apt-get --reinstall install gnome, will it clean up all my gdm/gnome config files? | 04:43 |
| dereks | or is there a way to get it to do that? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | yay, package didn't install.. | 04:43 |
| === ajmitch fixes | ||
| ajmitch | no, it woudln't clean up conffiles | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | and it would only reinstall the gnome package, not all the dependencies | 04:44 |
| dereks | how would i clean up conf files? | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | um | 04:45 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: scummvm still wouldn't install? | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | there may be a dpkg option like --force-confmiss which you can pass to apt-get | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: no, my fault, in trying to add a .desktop file | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | dereks: it's not something I've really done, so I'm somewhat guessing | 04:46 |
| dereks | ajmitch: ok, would i be yelled at if i ask in debian? | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | dereks: maybe | 04:47 |
| dereks | so i should ask in ubuntu :) | 04:47 |
| dereks | or is there an apt-get channel? | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | nope | 04:47 |
| dereks | darn | 04:47 |
| dereks | ubuntu it is :) | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | dereks: are you using anything exotic for authentication, like ldap or nis? | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | and is interface 'lo' up? | 04:48 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: OK, there is a patch on Debian BTS for regina-normal but the maintainer says a new version is coming from upstream. Should I patch the current version or wait? | 04:49 |
| dereks | nope | 04:49 |
| dereks | and yup | 04:49 |
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| dereks | lo is up and has an ip | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: wonderful | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | does he say when? | 04:49 |
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| ajmitch | since there was an upload a couple of days ago | 04:51 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: No, he just says it's waiting for the KDE transition to sort itself out. Bug # 319993 btw | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | * Uploaded for the g++-4 / KDE 3.4 transition. Build-depends and shlibs | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | files adjusted accordingly. | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | so a sync may be in order here | 04:52 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I dont see a new version on packages.d.o | 04:52 |
| === ajmitch looked on packages.qa.debian.org/regina-normal | ||
| bddebian | Jesus, can I ever get anything right? | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | it will have just recently hit the archive | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | unstable (math): 3-manifold topology software with normal surface support | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | 4.2-2: i386 ia64 powerpc | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | so it does show on packages.debian.org | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Isn't that the version we have? | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Nope | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:54 |
| bddebian | I give up | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | again? | 04:55 |
| bddebian | It's not even humurous anymore | 04:56 |
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| ajmitch | no, it's not humourous | 04:57 |
| dereks | i decided, after breezy, no more non stable versions for me! | 05:07 |
| dereks | and i iwll just hope backports is good ;) | 05:07 |
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| ajmitch | dereks: so no helping out the MOTUs? | 05:12 |
| bddebian | You mean like I do? ;-P | 05:17 |
| dereks | ajmitch: i have been too long without a desktop :) | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | dereks: well you're the only person I've heard of with this problem :) | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | I've always had a desktop through the breezy cycle | 05:24 |
| dereks | ajmitch: i have since warty wasn't warty :( | 05:25 |
| bddebian | What is // in C++, a comment? | 05:25 |
| dereks | yeah | 05:26 |
| dereks | ajmitch: can you tell me what is in your .dmrc lconfig file and your .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config file | 05:27 |
| === ajmitch wouldn't expect to see a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file | ||
| ajmitch | cat /home/ajmitch/.dmrc | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | [Desktop] | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | Session=gnome | 05:28 |
| === dereks has one | ||
| dereks | my .dmrc says Session=default | 05:28 |
| dereks | can that cause a problem? | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | it shouldn't | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | this box has been dist-upgraded from potato through sid, then to breezy | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | over a number of years | 05:29 |
| dereks | haha | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | and it's still going strong! :) | 05:29 |
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| ajmitch | inclusing total hardware changes, where I transfered old drives into new computers :) | 05:30 |
| dereks | cool | 05:34 |
| dereks | i tend to reformat ever 1.5 years | 05:34 |
| dereks | when i can get a hdd to backup my stuff with | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | with debian-like systems, I don't see the point | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | I'd understand doing that with windows | 05:36 |
| bddebian | Except Windows has to be every 3 months or so :-) | 05:36 |
| dereks | ajmitch: i am soo used to windows systems, i guess i do it out of habit :) | 05:36 |
| dereks | though i went 4 years without windows | 05:36 |
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| dereks | now work makes me have a windows laptop | 05:36 |
| chillywilly | hi | 05:40 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 05:41 |
| chillywilly | was at work until 8:30pm redoing the networking on our T1 | 05:41 |
| chillywilly | well it's actually not even in our nice office but at one of our branches :-/ | 05:41 |
| bddebian | Lucky you :-) | 05:41 |
| chillywilly | I setup proxy arp w/ shorewall | 05:42 |
| chillywilly | so there's the external net interface on the firewall, the location's LAN, and all the servers are on the DMZ via proxy arp | 05:43 |
| chillywilly | fun stuff... | 05:43 |
| chillywilly | http://shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm#ProxyARP <-- basically it is setup like that :P | 05:45 |
| bddebian | Coolio | 05:46 |
| dereks | anyone here experienced with the .xsession-errors file? | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:07 |
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| ajmitch | crap, scummvm build broke on ppc just because dvips segfaulted... | 06:55 |
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| pef | hello | 08:53 |
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| siretart | morning | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | hi siretart | 10:12 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 10:13 |
| siretart | my first steps with baz yesterday: it kinda rocks :) | 10:13 |
| Lathiat | bzr rocks harder | 10:13 |
| siretart | in principle, yes | 10:13 |
| siretart | but I'm unsure how to organize source packages with bzr | 10:14 |
| siretart | a configuration manager would be needed, I think.. | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | it can be done without it | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | you can nest trees in bzr easily | 10:15 |
| siretart | hm. | 10:15 |
| siretart | ajmitch: do you already manage your packges with bzr? | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | siretart: starting to | 10:16 |
| pef | siretart: hello | 10:17 |
| siretart | huhu pef | 10:17 |
| siretart | pef: I see you prepared a lot of debdiffs for GLU Transistion, I'm just looking at them :) | 10:18 |
| pef | siretart: and I'm working on the others, it's slow because some onf them are big c++ sources, takes times to compile :) | 10:19 |
| siretart | oh yes | 10:19 |
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| pef | siretart: if anything doesn't seems right for you, tell me :) | 10:22 |
| siretart | the patch to opensourcegraph looks intrusive, but correct. I'm just warming up my pbuilder.. | 10:25 |
| siretart | pef: regarding pong2, I hoped that breezy would have the same pong2 as in unstable | 10:33 |
| siretart | I couldn't see that time how gl/glu dependencies would be | 10:34 |
| pef | siretart: need a sync from debian ? | 10:34 |
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| siretart | pef: no, I don't think that it is feasible. let's better wait for xorg 6.9 or xorg 7.0 in unstable | 10:47 |
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| herzi | siretart: linda seems to be broken on the revu machine | 01:01 |
| herzi | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/valgrind-ppc-0509021940/linda | 01:01 |
| siretart | hm | 01:02 |
| siretart | tiber has Installed: 0.3.8ubuntu2 | 01:02 |
| siretart | thats the version from hoary | 01:02 |
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| Mitario | hi slomo | 01:03 |
| Mitario | hi ogra | 01:03 |
| slomo | hi Mitario :) | 01:03 |
| siretart | hi slomo | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | hi | 01:03 |
| siretart | hi Mitario | 01:03 |
| siretart | gnarf. hi * :) | 01:04 |
| slomo | hi siretart :) | 01:04 |
| slomo | siretart: do you know when sistpoty will be here again? | 01:05 |
| herzi | siretart: my hoary version throws that error too | 01:05 |
| siretart | herzi: aah. ok. then nothings broken on tiber. linda itself doesn't handle newer packages | 01:06 |
| siretart | herzi: the solution is to run linda in breezy chroot, which will come with revu2 | 01:06 |
| siretart | slomo: is it important? I could give you his phone nr | 01:07 |
| slomo | siretart: no... i just want to know if mplayer is fixed for him now ;) | 01:07 |
| siretart | ok | 01:07 |
| slomo | siretart: or if i must search for other solutions and get annoyed by mplayer again :/ | 01:08 |
| siretart | :( | 01:08 |
| slomo | Mitario: did you ping mako again? ;) | 01:09 |
| Mitario | not yet today just woke up :p | 01:09 |
| slomo | ah, same for me ;) | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | yay, first *successful* breezy install on this laptop | 01:11 |
| siretart | slomo: mplayer http://82.149.224.55:9500/;stream.nsv works for me :) | 01:11 |
| slomo | siretart: for me it crashes =) but the audio isn't ac3 so this is another problem ;) | 01:13 |
| siretart | it crashes?! | 01:13 |
| slomo | siretart: yes... it doesn't like the vp6 win32 dll :/ | 01:14 |
| === ajmitch gets about tweaking the install to be suitable :) | ||
| siretart | vp6? whats that kind of videocodec? | 01:15 |
| slomo | the successor of vp3 which is the base of theora ;) | 01:15 |
| siretart | ah | 01:16 |
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| herzi | what the right way to install an overrides file using cdbs? | 01:25 |
| ivoks | hi | 01:25 |
| ivoks | :[ | 01:26 |
| pef | ivoks: hello | 01:26 |
| ivoks | pef: hi | 01:26 |
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| ajmitch | hi herzi, ivoks | 01:26 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: ;D | 01:26 |
| pef | ajmitch: :( | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | pef: why sad? | 01:26 |
| ivoks | this is not a place for sad people | 01:27 |
| ivoks | we are all one big happy motu something :) | 01:27 |
| pef | some GLUtransitions packages does not compile | 01:27 |
| ivoks | community! :) | 01:27 |
| ivoks | pef: fix them :) | 01:27 |
| ivoks | let me guess... | 01:27 |
| pef | eheh | 01:27 |
| ivoks | stellarium? :) | 01:27 |
| pef | ivoks: aqsis http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/problem/aqsis_compile.log | 01:28 |
| pef | and others, I'm putting a note on wikipage for each of them | 01:28 |
| slomo | ivoks: as elmo said on the meeting: <elmo> [...] the all-singing, all-dancing, all-shiny MOTU troop ;-P | 01:28 |
| slomo | ivoks: ;) | 01:28 |
| ivoks | slomo: elmo hates us :) | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | haha | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | yes, we need to be angry people | 01:29 |
| pef | ivoks: and I'm not a MOTU, I'm not obliged to be happy :D | 01:29 |
| ivoks | he likes only angry people :) | 01:30 |
| slomo | ajmitch: i _am_ angry :P i hate mplayer... it always crashes :P | 01:30 |
| ivoks | pef: did you check debian's repository? maybe they have fresh version | 01:30 |
| ivoks | slomo: mplayer too?! so... which player do we have that works in breezy?! | 01:30 |
| ivoks | xine-ui crashes on right click | 01:31 |
| slomo | ivoks: everything gstreamer related ;) | 01:31 |
| ivoks | mplayer is... well, it crashes without any reason... it's mplayer :) | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | yay! I have 3d accel out of the box with breezy :) | 01:31 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: matrox? :) | 01:31 |
| pef | ivoks: I will check | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: i915 | 01:32 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: ah... :) | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | gnome-terminal is playing stupid though | 01:32 |
| ivoks | i finally have a working x.org with synaptics driver | 01:32 |
| ivoks | synaptics rulez | 01:32 |
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| ivoks | ajmitch: i have 82845 on couple of machines... non of them have 3d | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | the touchpad is going *really* slowly for me | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | tseng had the same thing | 01:33 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: do you have alps/synaptic touchpad? | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | dunno, probably | 01:33 |
| ivoks | dmesg | grep ALPS | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | (**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad" | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | [4294684.451000] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint on isa0060/serio1 | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | wee... | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | I do | 01:34 |
| === ajmitch has a USB mouse attached anyway | ||
| ivoks | man, you can make wonders with it! | 01:34 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: i have vertical, horizontal scroll :) | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | not working for me | 01:34 |
| ivoks | middle button in right upper corner | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | very nice :) | 01:35 |
| ivoks | 3'rd button in lower right, etc.. | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | how did you configure X to work properly? | 01:35 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: didn't work for me to, for ages.... | 01:35 |
| ivoks | now it works | 01:35 |
| === ajmitch is running the latest breezy daily install | ||
| ivoks | ajmitch: then it will work :) | 01:35 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: do you have breezy's kernel or your own? | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: not out of the box, which is what matters for me | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | breezy's kernel, of course | 01:36 |
| ivoks | yep, it's not out of the box... | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | I only installed a couple of hours ago | 01:36 |
| ivoks | it should be tough | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | it should be out of the box | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | that's why I have this laptop :) | 01:36 |
| ivoks | ah, you are in laptop team :) | 01:36 |
| ivoks | so, let's move discussion over there, ok? | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | not sure if wifi is really working or not, since the light isn't on, and the wifi key gives dmesg errors | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | sure | 01:37 |
| === ajmitch will keep his universe woes in here ;) | ||
| pef | ivoks: if a new version is available on Debian, a bug should exists on bugzilla, right ? | 01:41 |
| ivoks | pef: no | 01:42 |
| ivoks | pef: just ask elmo to sync it | 01:42 |
| siretart | no. not all bugs are imported | 01:42 |
| pef | siretart: because is on universe ? | 01:43 |
| siretart | pef: in generall, ubuntu bugzilla is only for main and restricted | 01:44 |
| siretart | pef: but as exception, we did the cxxtransition with ubuntu bugzilla | 01:45 |
| siretart | I think because malone was not mature enough for that that time.. | 01:45 |
| pef | siretart: so in the future sync requests will be filled into malone for universe ? | 01:46 |
| siretart | pef: I don't think so | 01:47 |
| siretart | pef: but we dont file sync requests as bugs anyway | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | pef: are you thinking of merge requests? | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | where a new package is uploaded to debian, and we have to merge changes in? | 01:48 |
| pef | ajmitch: yes | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | ok, those were being filed in bugzilla until upstream version freeze hit | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | automatically, when MoM ran | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | I think they might end up in malone for breezy+1, because everything is meant to be movign to malone | 01:49 |
| pef | packages.debian.org is the right way to check for a new debian version of a package ? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | yes, or packages.qa.debian.org | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | which I prefer | 01:52 |
| pef | ok | 01:52 |
| pef | and I just have to say to elmo "please sync this package " | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | yes, although if you're not a MOTU, I'm not sure if he'll do it | 01:53 |
| pef | :/ | 01:54 |
| pef | there is a new debian version available | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | fixes FTBFS? | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | have you tested building the new debian version? | 01:54 |
| pef | will do now | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | no point asking for a sync if that fails as well :) | 01:56 |
| ivoks | right | 01:56 |
| ivoks | sorry pef | 01:56 |
| ivoks | i made a mistake... should've told you to test it first | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: very important :) | 01:57 |
| ivoks | i know... | 01:57 |
| pef | I'm compiling it right now | 01:58 |
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| ajmitch | hah, and not even using ubuntu | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | silly people ;) | 01:59 |
| ivoks | ok... cupsys takes only 100% proc | 02:02 |
| ivoks | why... :) | 02:02 |
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| ajmitch | no wonder I'm running out of diskspace.. 1.1GB of IRC logs on here | 02:10 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:10 |
| === ajmitch obviously spends too much time in noisy channels ;) | ||
| ivoks | #sex, etc... | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | pft, no | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | more like #ubuntu-devel, etc | 02:13 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | hm, a massive .ccache | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | which I never use anymore | 02:14 |
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| pef | ivoks: debian current version compiles | 02:29 |
| ivoks | pef: you see | 02:29 |
| ivoks | pef: compiles with gcc4? are you sure? | 02:29 |
| pef | yes | 02:29 |
| ivoks | ok... what's the name of package? | 02:30 |
| pef | aqsis | 02:30 |
| pef | should I put a reminder on the wikipage of GLUTransition ? | 02:30 |
| ivoks | no | 02:31 |
| ivoks | wait hour or two | 02:31 |
| ivoks | elmo will sync it | 02:31 |
| ivoks | well, i hope he will :) | 02:31 |
| pef | ivoks: thank you ! should I ask you for every problem like this ? | 02:32 |
| ivoks | well, you can ask anybody | 02:32 |
| pef | ok :) | 02:33 |
| pef | so this operation is "debian merging", right ? | 02:33 |
| ivoks | it's not that simple :) | 02:33 |
| ivoks | but, yes, it's merging | 02:33 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: I only had to wait 3 days for a sync | 02:34 |
| ivoks | really? elmo did mine in 15 minutes :) | 02:34 |
| ivoks | oh my god, thats strange! | 02:35 |
| Mitario | elmo was just very busy the last few days :) | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | as expected | 02:36 |
| Mitario | dunno | 02:38 |
| pef | ivoks: if I find a bug in a program (does not compile for example) what's the cleaver thing to do ? writing a patch or checking if debian version solves the problem ? (and ask for merging) | 02:39 |
| ivoks | pef: fix it | 02:39 |
| pef | I think the second solution... | 02:39 |
| ivoks | pef: we can't merge for ever... | 02:40 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:40 |
| pef | mm how to know what's the best thing to do ? | 02:40 |
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| ivoks | ogra_ will tell you | 02:41 |
| ivoks | he's best person for that stuff | 02:41 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: I prefer to merge rather than patch | 02:42 |
| pef | ivoks: so it's a case per case decision, no general solution ? | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: there is no point duplicating work already done in debian, UVF exceptions are there for FTBFS packages for a reason | 02:43 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: sometimes (g++ transition) we don't have source to merge from :) | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | and we'd have to review & drop our patch when it comes to merge time | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: yes, but pef was asking about the case of already fixed in debian | 02:43 |
| ivoks | if it's fixed in debian, then merge | 02:43 |
| ivoks | i'm just not sure how are things with freezing | 02:44 |
| pef | if a bug is fixed with Ubuntu version, is the patch sent to Debian too ? | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | pef: the patch shows up on a page, but the maintainer is not emailed or contacted in another way | 02:44 |
| pef | ajmitch: malone may change that, I hope | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | pef: maybe | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | it depends on politics as well | 02:46 |
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| pef | are my comments usefull ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition or it is timeloss ? | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | pef: sure they're useful | 02:51 |
| pef | ok :) | 02:51 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 03:17 |
| rbelem | morning all ;-) | 03:24 |
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| pef | why some debian/rules have commented debhelper commands calls ? it takes place for nothing, can I delete them ? | 03:51 |
| siretart | pef: if you are maintainer of such a package, you should | 03:55 |
| siretart | pef: those are leftovers from templates | 03:55 |
| siretart | pef: when touching a package, I think it's better to keep the debdiff small | 03:56 |
| pef | siretart: but the diff.gz becomes smaller ;) | 03:57 |
| siretart | pef: I review the debdiff ;) | 03:57 |
| siretart | in principle you are right | 03:58 |
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| tseng | Lathiat: ping | 04:15 |
| Lathiat | tseng: pong | 04:16 |
| tseng | Lathiat: you got a dell right? | 04:16 |
| tseng | Lathiat: what did you send for serial # to CVD | 04:16 |
| Lathiat | tseng: havent got it yet | 04:16 |
| tseng | ok | 04:16 |
| Lathiat | tseng: i suspect the service tag would be good perhaps | 04:16 |
| Lathiat | tseng: i8kctl will tell you it, it should be on th ebottom on a sticker | 04:16 |
| Lathiat | let me look on this dell | 04:16 |
| tseng | i have a service tag | 04:17 |
| tseng | and stuff | 04:17 |
| tseng | the serial must be much less obvious | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | the 'service tag' quite possibly si the 'serial | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | given its coded into the bios etc | 04:17 |
| tseng | thats what i was hoping youd tell me :) | 04:18 |
| Lathiat | its a machine-specific unique ID at any rate | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | so it would make sens eto me | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | brb | 04:19 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by siretart at Mon Aug 29 10:28:10 2005 | ||
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| lsuactiafner | slomo : did you make 32bit static binaries for amd 64 to play back wmv files? | 05:47 |
| slomo | lsuactiafner: no... that's breezy+1 goal | 05:48 |
| lsuactiafner | it not that much extra effort | 05:51 |
| lsuactiafner | i put that bug report up about it and also made a hacked "package" effect | 05:51 |
| slomo | lsuactiafner: can you give me the url to the bug report? | 05:51 |
| lsuactiafner | will paste soon | 05:51 |
| lsuactiafner | remember, media on pcs is very very important | 05:52 |
| slomo | lsuactiafner: and i won't do it before breezy+1 ;) we plan to rewrite the package for breezy+1... only one mplayer package (not all the different flavors for different archs) with cpu runtime detection... and for amd64 i'll probably make a mplayer32 package | 05:53 |
| lsuactiafner | you'll need 32 and 64 packages for amd64 | 05:53 |
| lsuactiafner | since sdl x11 xv has problems linking statically | 05:53 |
| slomo | i know | 05:53 |
| lsuactiafner | currently i use fdev to play wmv | 05:53 |
| lsuactiafner | ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/MPlayer-1.0pre7_32bit-for-amd64.tar.bz2 and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/571 | 05:54 |
| lsuactiafner | but with gcc 4 i think it will be easier to make a 32bit binary | 05:55 |
| slomo | ah that one... already assigned to MOTUMedia ;) so don't worry... for breezy+1 you'll get mplayer32 and mplayer64 | 05:55 |
| lsuactiafner | ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib | 05:55 |
| lsuactiafner | that will make a nice binary in gcc 4 | 05:56 |
| lsuactiafner | cool | 05:56 |
| lsuactiafner | i just do the cvs thing every few hours but my static binary is too much effort to keep up to date | 05:56 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: ping | 05:57 |
| slomo | it's just that i'm currently sick of mplayer ;) fixing the ac3 crash was too time consuming and the packaging by marillat is just ugly... i need some mplayer-free time ;) | 05:57 |
| lsuactiafner | ppl in mplayerdev might be helpfull | 05:58 |
| slomo | probably... but i really don't want to touch mplayer again for breezy except for critical stuff ;) i'll only update ffmpeg for breezy and then fix bugs where i find some... | 06:01 |
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| lsuactiafner | cool | 06:04 |
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| sistpoty | ping siretart | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | From #ubuntu-motu icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | 06:32 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 06:33 |
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| bddebian | Any MOTUs wanna try a REALLY lame fix for savant? | 06:35 |
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| bddebian | Anyone awake? :-) | 06:46 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 06:49 |
| Lathiat | i need to get ipac-ng fixed | 06:49 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: i can | 06:49 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: I don't have a patch but it's just two lines of code | 06:49 |
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| Lathiat | bddebian: i want source packages ;p | 06:49 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: apt-get source savant ;-P | 06:50 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch, siretart, dholbach, ogra: ping? | 06:50 |
| Lathiat | ok | 06:51 |
| Lathiat | what do i do | 06:51 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: me? | 06:52 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: yuh | 06:52 |
| Lathiat | and tell me what its supposed to fixor | 06:53 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: add #include "savant.hh" to hash_tables.hh in src/utils. Also in /src/util comment out line 343, should be "cout << "NULL" << endl" | 06:53 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: FTBFS | 06:53 |
| Lathiat | ok | 06:53 |
| Lathiat | hangon | 06:53 |
| === Lathiat pkgstats | ||
| bddebian | OK, got another question (not savant). quickplot has in public: friend class FieldReader; Then in private: FieldReader *fieldReader; and gcc4 complains "ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'FieldReader' with no type" ?? | 06:57 |
| Lathiat | err | 06:58 |
| Lathiat | probably just missing the declaration i guess | 06:58 |
| bddebian | Isn't that what "friend class FieldReader;" is? | 06:59 |
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| bddebian | Hello Seveas | 06:59 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: no | 06:59 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: that declares it as a friend class | 06:59 |
| Lathiat | its possible this behavior changed a little | 06:59 |
| Lathiat | from having it also implicitly define it | 06:59 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: no, friend class makes fieldreader access protected/private members of the class with the friend definition | 06:59 |
| Lathiat | and hence why ti FTBFS now | 06:59 |
| bddebian | So in private: I have to re-declare it? | 07:00 |
| bddebian | Sorry, I don't know C++ for shit. | 07:00 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: err | 07:00 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: comment out line 343 of what file | 07:00 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Sorry, set.hh | 07:00 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: you need either to include the Fieldreader header or add s.th. like "class FieldReader;" before the class is defined | 07:00 |
| Seveas | hi | 07:00 |
| Lathiat | why does that need to be commented out? | 07:01 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: It probably shouldn't be but it causes a gcc4 error and all other instances were commented out :-) | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | interesting | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | what error? | 07:01 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Or, you need to declare cout and endl I think. | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | ah | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | you need | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | using std; | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | or to make it | 07:01 |
| Lathiat | std::cout << "NULL" << std::endl; | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | i'll uh | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | comment it out i guess | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | looks like a debug fucntion anyway | 07:02 |
| === Lathiat testbuilds | ||
| bddebian | It's some pretty sickly looking code from what I can tell :-) | 07:02 |
| Lathiat | not quite sre how to test it guess i can try ;p | 07:03 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: BTW, be warned it takes forever to compile :-) | 07:03 |
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| Lathiat | i guess at worst | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | it wont break anything | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | in theory :) | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | mm pbuilder needs updating | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | beheh i had one package | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | took 2 hour sto compile | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | i wa about to give up waiting and goto bed | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | when it finished | 07:03 |
| Lathiat | cept it failed, right at the end, on the link stage | 07:03 |
| bddebian | Doh | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | and i had no idea hwo to fi x it | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | (still dont) | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | mailed the maintainer | 07:04 |
| bddebian | I did that last night and my wife shut my machine off this morning.. :-( | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | said he didnt care file a bug | 07:04 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: For what package? | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | i forget | 07:04 |
| bddebian | Oh hehe | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | gclcvs maybe | 07:04 |
| === Lathiat looks | ||
| bddebian | Jesus, all I had to add was class FieldReader; thanks sistpoty | 07:08 |
| bddebian | Damn I hate packages that don't already have a patch framework. :'-( | 07:08 |
| sistpoty | np ;) | 07:08 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 07:08 |
| Lathiat | pisses me off | 07:08 |
| Lathiat | should be mandatory :) | 07:09 |
| bddebian | I'm not even sure I know how to set that up. :-( | 07:10 |
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| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 07:11 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: cdbs or the plain debhelper package? | 07:12 |
| sistpoty | (if you can call it debhelper "plain *g*) | 07:12 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: I think it's just debhlper | 07:12 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: gajim has a good example :-) | 07:12 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: OK, thanks | 07:13 |
| ivoks | hey all | 07:14 |
| Nafallo | morning ivoks | 07:15 |
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| ivoks | Lathiat: did you try that config for alps? | 07:21 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: yeh | 07:22 |
| ivoks | and? | 07:22 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: works fine | 07:22 |
| ivoks | ok | 07:22 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: I told you it takes a while :-) | 07:22 |
| ivoks | thanks | 07:22 |
| Lathiat | its similar to a set i've seen similarly suggested | 07:22 |
| siretart | sistpoty: pong :) | 07:22 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: im fond of CircularScrolling however :) | 07:22 |
| ivoks | i don't see point of that :) | 07:22 |
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| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 07:22 |
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| ivoks | Lathiat: what's with the CircularScrolling? what do you get? | 07:23 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: when your scrolling | 07:23 |
| Lathiat | if you start | 07:23 |
| Lathiat | you can then just spin aroudn the touchpad | 07:23 |
| Lathiat | in a circle or square or whatever | 07:23 |
| Lathiat | and it keeps scrolling | 07:23 |
| ivoks | ah, i see | 07:24 |
| ivoks | not bad | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | so you can start scrolling down then just move yoru finger around in a circle | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | or change direction | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | and it keeps scrolling | 07:24 |
| ivoks | in all directions? | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | well | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | clockwise | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | anti-clockwise | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | forwards | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | backwards | 07:24 |
| ivoks | ah... | 07:24 |
| ivoks | will try that | 07:25 |
| ivoks | i have one corner unused :) | 07:25 |
| Lathiat | well it has nothing to do with that | 07:25 |
| ivoks | it does | 07:25 |
| ivoks | starting point :) | 07:25 |
| Lathiat | nah | 07:25 |
| Lathiat | it just carries on from standard scrolling | 07:25 |
| ivoks | ok, i don't get it :) | 07:27 |
| Lathiat | so | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | you know how you use the right side to scroll right | 07:28 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | up and down | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | you start scrolling down | 07:28 |
| ivoks | and bottom side | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | then you hit th ebottom | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | so instead of going up to the top | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | you just move yoru finger round in a circular motion | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | for an easy demo | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | just follow the outer edge of yoru touchpad | 07:28 |
| ivoks | ok... | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | work? | 07:29 |
| ivoks | i see | 07:29 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | now you dont need to follow the outer edge | 07:29 |
| ivoks | it's like you have longer scroll bar | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | yuh | 07:30 |
| Lathiat | and you can keep goign around and aroudn | 07:30 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:30 |
| ivoks | nice, could be useful :) | 07:30 |
| ivoks | i'm so glad i got that synaptics working | 07:30 |
| Lathiat | its great when reading logn webapges and stuff | 07:30 |
| ivoks | touchpad is now almost nicer than mouse :) | 07:31 |
| ivoks | acctually, for me is better if circular is off | 07:33 |
| ivoks | since i don't lift finger when i'm done with scrolling | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | ah | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | i do | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | if you go directly on a sharp angle | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | it seems to stop | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | to try accomodate for that i guess | 07:33 |
| Lathiat | usually ends up pissing me off cus it stops scrolling :) | 07:33 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:34 |
| ivoks | it would be great if it would work even after you lift your finger | 07:34 |
| Lathiat | heh | 07:34 |
| ivoks | for example, if it would have one corner to turn it off | 07:34 |
| Lathiat | see thats like | 07:34 |
| Lathiat | using vim | 07:34 |
| ivoks | you read, scratch your back and then continue scrolling | 07:34 |
| Lathiat | not a good default for my mum ;p | 07:34 |
| ivoks | hehe | 07:35 |
| Lathiat | some guy was editing a file on my laptop | 07:35 |
| Lathiat | i said | 07:35 |
| Lathiat | 'hit 3x' | 07:35 |
| Lathiat | hes like whough cool | 07:35 |
| ivoks | hehe | 07:35 |
| ivoks | c5w would give him a heartattack :) | 07:35 |
| Lathiat | heh | 07:36 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 07:36 |
| Lathiat | i have to remember that | 07:36 |
| ivoks | what? c5w? | 07:36 |
| Lathiat | never used c<x> before | 07:36 |
| ivoks | LOL!!! | 07:36 |
| ivoks | r is better than cx | 07:37 |
| ivoks | but cNx is ok | 07:37 |
| Lathiat | <x> as in | 07:37 |
| Lathiat | whatever | 07:37 |
| siretart | is it vim? | 07:37 |
| ivoks | siretart: yup | 07:37 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: you are kidding me... you don't know for c(hange)? | 07:38 |
| Lathiat | i knew of it i just never really used it | 07:38 |
| siretart | was just reading strange commands.. not crazy enough for xemcas. must be vim *fg* | 07:39 |
| ivoks | :p | 07:39 |
| Lathiat | has anyone elses keyboard shortcuts stopped working since they made defaults | 07:39 |
| Lathiat | doesnt work in either rhythmbox or muine for me | 07:39 |
| Lathiat | used to | 07:39 |
| Lathiat | works in totem | 07:40 |
| ivoks | time to go... | 07:40 |
| Lathiat | ok next works in totme | 07:40 |
| Lathiat | thats all | 07:40 |
| ivoks | see you guys | 07:40 |
| Lathiat | ok seems next works in everything | 07:40 |
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| ivoks | next, back, pause/play works | 07:41 |
| ivoks | totem | 07:41 |
| Lathiat | ok so for me | 07:42 |
| Lathiat | the defaults dont work | 07:42 |
| Lathiat | if i set it | 07:42 |
| Lathiat | which sets exactly the same keycode | 07:43 |
| Lathiat | it works | 07:43 |
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| ivoks | :)) | 07:43 |
| ivoks | can't confirme it, couse it works for me | 07:43 |
| ivoks | now, bye, really | 07:43 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Still building? | 07:44 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: done | 07:44 |
| Lathiat | grr thats annoying | 07:44 |
| Lathiat | i accidentally set a shortcut as the right arrow | 07:44 |
| Lathiat | i changed it | 07:44 |
| Lathiat | but the right arrow no longer works | 07:44 |
| bddebian | :-( | 07:44 |
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| HelmutG | Hi. Can you tell me what to do to get the debian package called slate into ubuntu? | 07:52 |
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| Tomcat_ | To make it quicker, HelmutG is the maintainer of slate in Debian. =) | 07:53 |
| bddebian | HelmutG: Put in on UniverseCandidates wiki page at wiki.ubuntu.com | 07:55 |
| HelmutG | Hmm. You tweaked moinmoin to force users before editing. I don't like this, can someone else do this for me? | 07:57 |
| HelmutG | s/force users/& to register/ | 07:57 |
| Tomcat_ | I could... | 07:58 |
| Tomcat_ | Wait a second, I'll need to log in... | 07:58 |
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| HelmutG | Ok. The packages can be found in debian testing and unstable as well as the download section of http://slate.tunes.org/ (which is currently unavailable). You can most often find me in #slate and mail me with suggestions or problems concerning the packages. | 07:59 |
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| Tomcat_ | HelmutG: Can you give me any information? My sarge doesn't have a package "slate"... but I need some info to put in the wiki. | 08:00 |
| HelmutG | Tomcat_: sarge is stable. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/slate | 08:01 |
| Tomcat_ | Oh right packages.debian.org.. should've thought about that. ;) | 08:01 |
| HelmutG | It should be easy to incorperate in ubuntu as it only depends on libc6 and ncurses. A simple rebuild for your distribution of these packages should work. | 08:02 |
| Tomcat_ | HelmutG: Check the wikipage. Is the information okay this way? | 08:03 |
| Tomcat_ | ... whenever it's finished saving... | 08:03 |
| Tomcat_ | Ah, now. | 08:03 |
| Tomcat_ | argl... no, wait, I did that completely wrong. | 08:04 |
| HelmutG | Tomcat_: Apart from you messed up the wiki syntax, yes. ;) | 08:05 |
| Tomcat_ | I corrected it... also placed it to the candidates, not the "being handled". | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | can packages that are not in Debian be included in universe? | 08:06 |
| Tomcat_ | LaserJock: I think so. :o | 08:07 |
| siretart | ok, bye folks | 08:07 |
| HelmutG | Tomcat_: One problem will be that I cannot handle bugs the ubuntu packages as I don't have a machine running ubuntu. Some DDs told me about this problem. | 08:08 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yes | 08:08 |
| bddebian | HelmutG: BTW, just so you know we are in a feature freeze for breezy so it probably won't make it into breezy | 08:08 |
| Tomcat_ | HelmutG: Well I myself am not one of the motu people... I guess somebody will do the maintenance on Ubuntu then and work together with you somehow. | 08:08 |
| HelmutG | bddebian: That's ok. I've got time. :) | 08:09 |
| bddebian | OK :-) | 08:09 |
| Tomcat_ | Nice that you triggered the inclusion, anyway. :) | 08:09 |
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| HelmutG | bddebian: See it as a long-term aim. :) | 08:10 |
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| ivoks | Lathiat: ping | 08:11 |
| HelmutG | slate still changes a lot these days, so packages will be frequently out of date. ;) | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | what is the official way to ask for a new package to be included/updated in universe? | 08:11 |
| ivoks | is it in debian? | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | ivoks: are you asking me? | 08:12 |
| ivoks | yes | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | well, the one I would like updated is in Debian (just not the updated version). The one I would like included is not in Debian | 08:13 |
| ivoks | don't know :) wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | there are RPMs for the one that isn't in Debian | 08:15 |
| ivoks | meaning they can't go in ubuntu | 08:16 |
| HelmutG | Thank you very much for helping me getting slate into ubuntu. | 08:16 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: pong | 08:17 |
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| ogra | LaserJock, add the package to UniverseCandidates | 08:23 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: what about a package that needs to be updated, but it is quite an update because the developers have split there program into a lib and the rest | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | scigraphica is the particular package I am thinking of | 08:26 |
| ivoks | LaserJock: you have phyisical scroll touchpad? | 08:29 |
| ivoks | fsck.. | 08:29 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: you have phyisical scroll touchpad? | 08:29 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: hrm? | 08:29 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: "physical scroll" ? | 08:29 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: you have one touchpad? | 08:30 |
| Lathiat | uh.. yes.. | 08:30 |
| Lathiat | since when do you have more than 1? | 08:30 |
| ivoks | there are tp with separated scroll | 08:30 |
| Lathiat | ive never seen that | 08:31 |
| ivoks | no? | 08:31 |
| Lathiat | ive onlyh seen them with a marked out area | 08:31 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:31 |
| Lathiat | mine has no such markings | 08:31 |
| ivoks | ok, that's what i'm asking | 08:31 |
| ivoks | sorry for bad english, i'm tierd | 08:31 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: i'm asking couse you said "the 'scroll' area comes far too into my | 08:32 |
| Lathiat | cool, this 'prelaunch' program is quite nifty | 08:32 |
| ivoks | touchpad area such that I keep hitting it accidentally" | 08:32 |
| Lathiat | seems to work well | 08:32 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: right | 08:32 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: the area in which using, causes a scroll to happen | 08:32 |
| ivoks | 1.5cm? | 08:32 |
| ivoks | 1.5cm is half of my touchpad :) | 08:32 |
| ogra | LaserJock, if you want any particular package in universe, UniverseCandidates is the right place... make a note next to it that its an update for a existing package... additionally its far easier for us if the debian maintainer just updates his package and we can sync it... did you contact the debian maintainer ? | 08:32 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:33 |
| === Lathiat measures | ||
| LaserJock | ogra: no I haven't, I will give that a try | 08:33 |
| Lathiat | probably more like 1cm i guess | 08:33 |
| Lathiat | depends where you measure | 08:33 |
| Lathiat | center of finger, end of figner, etc | 08:33 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: it's 0.8-1cm here | 08:34 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: you can resize it | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: sure, but im talking about the proposed list of defaults | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | need to write a little calibration program :) | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | 'please run your finger all the way aroudn the edge of yoru touchpad | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | 'please move yoru finger down the appropriate location for hoizontal scrolling | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | etc | 08:36 |
| ivoks | eh... | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | cus ive seen some touchpads that are really really wide | 08:36 |
| ivoks | i know | 08:36 |
| ivoks | well... off to bed | 08:38 |
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| Lathiat | sistpoty: we dont care ;p | 08:39 |
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| sistpoty | Lathiat: i didn't find the setting (kvirc) yet, to turn this off ;) | 08:40 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:40 |
| Lathiat | kvirc sucks then ;p | 08:40 |
| sistpoty | hm... probably, but i got used to some of its scripting *g* | 08:41 |
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| Lathiat | tseng: reading that book, telling me *heaps* of cool stuff | 09:38 |
| Lathiat | tseng: like acts_as_tree ! :) | 09:38 |
| tseng | Lathiat: indeed | 09:38 |
| slomo | Lathiat: which book? | 09:40 |
| Lathiat | slomo: agile development with rails (ruby on rails book) | 09:40 |
| sistpoty | argg... what's going on with tiber.tauware.de? (the machine on which revu is running) | 09:48 |
| slomo | sistpoty: it's dead :/ | 09:51 |
| sistpoty | obviously... | 09:51 |
| sistpoty | ok, I'm off for today... cya | 10:04 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Still bored? ;-) | 10:05 |
| bddebian | or slomo or tseng ? | 10:08 |
| crimsun | (definitely not bored) | 10:09 |
| slomo | bddebian: nope | 10:09 |
| bddebian | Damn.. I made a patch for quickplot but it doesn't apply on debian/rules and I cannot figure out why.. :-( | 10:10 |
| crimsun | depth? fuzz? offset? | 10:10 |
| crimsun | completely wrong patch? (I've done that before.) | 10:10 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: BTW, if you come back around. Are you going to fix savant or should I make a patch? | 10:10 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Succeeded at 14 with fuzz2 | 10:11 |
| bddebian | FAILED at 31 | 10:11 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: so i built it | 10:12 |
| Lathiat | any idea how to use it? ;p | 10:12 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Use it? Who uses any of this stuff? ;-) | 10:12 |
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| Lathiat | bddebian: yuh, exacyly :) | 10:16 |
| Lathiat | like i tried to test some weird package | 10:16 |
| Lathiat | and i just had no ide awhat to do with it | 10:16 |
| Lathiat | wanted some file ive never heard of | 10:16 |
| Lathiat | so i just assumed that its help message means its working ;p | 10:17 |
| bddebian | Heh :-) | 10:17 |
| bddebian | "If it builds, it runs" right? ;-P | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | heh | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | actuall | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch caught me up on one of those | 10:17 |
| Lathiat | (where its not true ;p) | 10:17 |
| bddebian | Uh oh. I'm already on his list.. ;-) | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | archer:~> scram | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | zsh: 19098 exit 255 scram | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | archer:~> | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | hmm. :) | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | so i have to pass it a | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | VHDL file | 10:18 |
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| Lathiat | haha | 10:18 |
| Lathiat | "VHDL Obfuscator Example" | 10:18 |
| bddebian | heh | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | archer:~> scram test.vhdl | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | Processing file test.vhdl | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | Parse complete - no errors. | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | archer:~> | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | i uh | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | guess it works | 10:19 |
| bddebian | :-) | 10:19 |
| Lathiat | but | 10:20 |
| Lathiat | i forgot to increase the verzion | 10:20 |
| bddebian | Uh oh | 10:20 |
| Lathiat | so i have to reget the source to make a debdiff | 10:20 |
| Nafallo | Lathiat: apt-proxy *s* | 10:21 |
| Lathiat | Nafallo: what about it? | 10:21 |
| Lathiat | oh | 10:21 |
| Lathiat | heh | 10:21 |
| Lathiat | i have a local mirror ;p | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | Lathiat: hehe. then reget is not that bad then ;-) | 10:22 |
| Lathiat | that said, it doesnt include sources, but at 150K/s i usually don't need to care | 10:22 |
| Lathiat | i dont bother mirroring sources cus i dont have the disk space | 10:22 |
| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/savant.debdiff | 10:23 |
| Nafallo | hehe, I had a full mirror except powerpc in the old days ;-) | 10:25 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: We don't have to make a patch and apply it? | 10:25 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: do you have upload privs? | 10:28 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Nope, I'm not an MOTU yet | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: righto | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: so hand that to someone like ajmitch and ask them to review and upload for you | 10:28 |
| bddebian | I'm a little scared to be at the rate I'm going :-) | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: feel free to motify the changelog to put your name on it etc ;p | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: what rate? that fix looked perfect to me ;p | 10:28 |
| bddebian | You already did | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | nah i mean like your -- Barry <bddebian@woot> or whatever :) | 10:29 |
| Lathiat | oh and get whitelisted if your going to do that | 10:30 |
| bddebian | I am whitelisted so I do see those :-) | 10:30 |
| Lathiat | cool | 10:30 |
| bddebian | But just to make sure. Can we patch the source or should we make a patch and apply it in rules? | 10:30 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: for things like this that dont have a patches/, i tend not to bother because then the fixed become overcomplicated, slamming a patches dir on top etc, the debian package format keeps track of our changes vs the original source for us | 10:34 |
| Lathiat | and makes more work to merge if we start playing with the rules files, etc | 10:34 |
| Lathiat | but of personal preference really, but thats my rationale | 10:34 |
| bddebian | Works for me :-) | 10:39 |
| bddebian | Baby wants to swing, bbiab | 10:39 |
| bddebian | Thanks btw Lathiat | 10:39 |
| Lathiat | nps :) | 10:39 |
| Lathiat | time to sleep | 10:39 |
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| marcin_ant | hi all | 11:45 |
| marcin_ant | could someone tell me where can I find default values for variables used by autotools in ubuntu? | 11:45 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: what variables? | 11:46 |
| marcin_ant | I mean default values for things like sharedstatedir, mandir, libexecdir | 11:46 |
| marcin_ant | etc | 11:46 |
| herzi | take a look into a generated Makefile | 11:46 |
| marcin_ant | ok, but these vaules generated in Makefile are stored somewhere | 11:47 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: these are collected by configure | 11:47 |
| marcin_ant | so I would like to know where... | 11:48 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: when you want to change this values add some parameters to configure | 11:49 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, and this is why I ask for default values :) | 11:49 |
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| marcin_ant | slomo, if default values are ok then there is no point in setting them | 11:50 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, and I would like to fetch these values using some .sh script (not makefile) | 11:51 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: ah... i misunterstood you... | 11:51 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: what are you trying todo? | 11:51 |
| marcin_ant | currently I want to create some scripts to generate rules automagically | 11:51 |
| marcin_ant | a kind of framework or sth like this | 11:52 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: look at cdbs ;) | 11:52 |
| marcin_ant | yes I know cdbs but I want to create a bunch of packages with emacs things | 11:52 |
| marcin_ant | so, propably cdbs are not too usefull for this | 11:53 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: what kind of emacs things? and when they use autotools cdbs should be the right thing probably... | 11:53 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, in fact... almost everything for emacs ;) | 11:54 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, starting with emacs-snapshot and almost all lisp libraries availabe on emacs-lisp-list | 11:55 |
| slomo | uh... that's really much i think ;) why do you think cdbs isn't what you want? and when most of the stuff is really similar just copy and paste your debian directories and adjust everything ;) | 11:56 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, apt-getting cdbs | 11:56 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml in case you don't know that yet | 11:57 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, and yes almost all these packages are simmilar but my question was because the biggest problem is emacs package itself | 11:58 |
| marcin_ant | because it is pretty complicated and it uses few non-standard directories | 11:58 |
| marcin_ant | and I just wanted to know what are default values in ubuntu | 11:59 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: look at the existing emacs package ;) | 11:59 |
| marcin_ant | in redhat/fedora these defaults are stored in rpm config files... | 11:59 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, sure I got this package and emacs-snapshot package | 12:00 |
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| shawarma | Question: Some libraries have got "c2" appended to their name.. What does that mean? | 12:00 |
| slomo | marcin_ant: other than that... look at the debian policies and FHS ;) | 12:01 |
| marcin_ant | slomo, ehh right | 12:01 |
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