=== infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat_ [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] heya guys [01:37] hi Mitario :) [01:39] slomo, hiya, hows mako? :p [01:40] Mitario: not responding ;) [01:40] hrm :) [01:40] he wasn't near new orleans right? :p [01:41] Mitario: boston afaik [01:41] ah [01:43] i hope he looks at the CoCs soon... [01:45] indeed === Mitario going to bed [01:45] nn! === slomo too [01:45] gn8 === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Morlark [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Morlark [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kevogod [n=kevogod@68-115-7-181.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@202.92.213.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sjg [n=jason@67.126.87.116] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:53] ajmitch: You around? [03:54] yes [03:54] Wanna do me a favor? [03:56] depends [03:56] You hate me don't you? :-) [03:56] hm, no partimage in sarge, that is a pain [03:56] nope === LaserJock [n=LazerJoc@ppp-69-229-206-163.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] Can you throw blacs-mpi up? I'm pretty sure just needs a rebuild and I need it for scalapack. [03:57] ok, I thought that one was rebuilt recently === ajmitch checks [03:57] Still shows in apt-cache unmet [03:59] right, not showing up here, but the package is broken === ajmitch will check/rebuild [04:00] ah, a simple rebuild wouldn't fix it [04:00] since lam4 is hardcoded in depends, which is why the last upload didn't fix it for you :) === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] fixed, building now... [04:03] ajmitch: Where is lam4 hardcoded? [04:03] Ohh blacs1-lam what a dolt === ajmitch pbuilderises === ajmitch waits patiently.... [04:07] I need a faster box for this [04:07] I wonder if there's room in the case for another hard drive.. [04:08] Want me to put up a box for ya to build on? :-) [04:09] would it be any faster than my xp 1800+, with 1GB RAM? [04:09] Hmm, probably not :-) [04:10] not much point then, is there? [04:10] my fastest box right now is 2ghz p4 [04:10] with maybe 512 [04:10] ok, it built [04:10] building mono on my laptop is a whore [04:10] ajmitch: I didn't know you had one. [04:10] Your laptop is a whore? [04:10] yes [04:10] Heh [04:10] it gets around [04:11] to australia, for instance [04:11] You ain't seen shit until you try to build glibc on GNU/Hurd on a 550Mhz box with 384Mb.. ;-P [04:11] you didn't know I had what? [04:11] ajmitch: An 1800 [04:11] bddebian: dude [04:11] that box is ~3 years old now [04:11] bddebian: ive run gentoo on a pentium 120 [04:12] Uhm Gentoo <> GNU/Hurd ;-) [04:12] ajmitch: Obviously he doesn't know how slow i/o is on Hurd eh? ;-P [04:12] gentoo was pretty bare at the time [04:12] before it got easier and surrounded by kiddies [04:13] meh. [04:13] bddebian: you mean no DMA, no caching, and a completely untuned elevator algorithm? [04:13] aside from it all sitting on Mach [04:13] har har those are modules [04:13] you just need to build them [04:13] and um.. [04:13] PROFIT === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] hey Lathiat [04:15] tseng: teh hurd is teh suck, k? [04:17] laughs [04:20] bddebian: blacs-mpi hit breezy changes, should be in the archive soon if it builds ok [04:21] ajmitch: Hey [04:21] uh yeah [04:21] hey to you too [04:21] :) [04:21] the hurd is the suck? [04:21] Thanks for the upload btw [04:21] bddebian: yes === dereks [n=derek@pcp0011385359pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] ok, scummvm fixed (sync from debian), with new desktop file [04:29] bddebian: it may have been on your list of FTBFS packages [04:30] Thanks [04:31] Gonna hit my new list on UniverseUnmetDeps too? :-) [04:31] yeah, I might do === JRee [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] ajmitch: You rock, now matter what I say about you. ;-) [04:31] some of your descriptions of failures are rather wrong, though :) [04:32] ajmitch: Such as? [04:32] pgadmin3 does not depend on polyxmass* [04:32] nor does pgaccess [04:32] they FTBFS due to failing to find postgresql headers & libs [04:32] for odd & varied reasons === ajmitch is ready to stab this box [04:34] ****ing windows XP [04:35] Gotta love it :-) [04:35] no I don't [04:36] OK so I was smoking crack with pgadmin and pgaccess [04:38] anyone here a gdm guru? [04:39] dereks: no, do we need to be? [04:39] i am having problems with gdm or gnome, i can't log in to my box, and i need help [04:39] #ubuntu [04:39] much more likely to get answers [04:39] yeah, i have been asking there for a week [04:39] i gave up there [04:39] heh [04:40] what happens, what changed? [04:40] it freezes once it authenticates me (with the right login/password) .... [04:40] note, gdm/x/gnome freezes, i can still ssh in [04:41] fun [04:41] loads [04:41] anything still on the screen? [04:42] or are you past gdm & have a blank screen with a cursor? [04:42] it keeps gdm on there [04:42] crackful [04:42] yay, scummvm built [04:42] yup, keeps gdm on the screen as a tease! [04:43] if i do apt-get --reinstall install gnome, will it clean up all my gdm/gnome config files? [04:43] or is there a way to get it to do that? [04:43] yay, package didn't install.. === ajmitch fixes [04:44] no, it woudln't clean up conffiles [04:44] and it would only reinstall the gnome package, not all the dependencies [04:44] how would i clean up conf files? [04:45] um [04:45] ajmitch: scummvm still wouldn't install? [04:45] there may be a dpkg option like --force-confmiss which you can pass to apt-get [04:45] bddebian: no, my fault, in trying to add a .desktop file [04:46] dereks: it's not something I've really done, so I'm somewhat guessing [04:46] ajmitch: ok, would i be yelled at if i ask in debian? [04:47] dereks: maybe [04:47] so i should ask in ubuntu :) [04:47] or is there an apt-get channel? [04:47] nope [04:47] darn [04:47] ubuntu it is :) [04:48] dereks: are you using anything exotic for authentication, like ldap or nis? [04:48] and is interface 'lo' up? [04:49] ajmitch: OK, there is a patch on Debian BTS for regina-normal but the maintainer says a new version is coming from upstream. Should I patch the current version or wait? [04:49] nope [04:49] and yup === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] lo is up and has an ip [04:49] bddebian: wonderful [04:49] does he say when? === JRee [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] since there was an upload a couple of days ago [04:51] ajmitch: No, he just says it's waiting for the KDE transition to sort itself out. Bug # 319993 btw [04:51] * Uploaded for the g++-4 / KDE 3.4 transition. Build-depends and shlibs [04:51] files adjusted accordingly. [04:52] so a sync may be in order here [04:52] Hmm, I dont see a new version on packages.d.o === ajmitch looked on packages.qa.debian.org/regina-normal [04:52] Jesus, can I ever get anything right? [04:52] it will have just recently hit the archive [04:53] unstable (math): 3-manifold topology software with normal surface support [04:53] 4.2-2: i386 ia64 powerpc [04:53] so it does show on packages.debian.org [04:53] Isn't that the version we have? [04:54] Nope [04:54] no [04:55] I give up [04:55] again? [04:56] It's not even humurous anymore === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] no, it's not humourous [05:07] i decided, after breezy, no more non stable versions for me! [05:07] and i iwll just hope backports is good ;) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] dereks: so no helping out the MOTUs? [05:17] You mean like I do? ;-P [05:22] ajmitch: i have been too long without a desktop :) [05:23] dereks: well you're the only person I've heard of with this problem :) [05:24] I've always had a desktop through the breezy cycle [05:25] ajmitch: i have since warty wasn't warty :( [05:25] What is // in C++, a comment? [05:26] yeah [05:27] ajmitch: can you tell me what is in your .dmrc lconfig file and your .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config file === ajmitch wouldn't expect to see a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file [05:28] cat /home/ajmitch/.dmrc [05:28] [Desktop] [05:28] Session=gnome === dereks has one [05:28] my .dmrc says Session=default [05:28] can that cause a problem? [05:29] it shouldn't [05:29] this box has been dist-upgraded from potato through sid, then to breezy [05:29] over a number of years [05:29] haha [05:29] and it's still going strong! :) === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] inclusing total hardware changes, where I transfered old drives into new computers :) [05:34] cool [05:34] i tend to reformat ever 1.5 years [05:34] when i can get a hdd to backup my stuff with [05:35] with debian-like systems, I don't see the point [05:36] I'd understand doing that with windows [05:36] Except Windows has to be every 3 months or so :-) [05:36] ajmitch: i am soo used to windows systems, i guess i do it out of habit :) [05:36] though i went 4 years without windows === LaserJock [n=LazerJoc@ppp-69-229-206-163.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:36] now work makes me have a windows laptop [05:40] hi [05:41] Heya chillywilly [05:41] was at work until 8:30pm redoing the networking on our T1 [05:41] well it's actually not even in our nice office but at one of our branches :-/ [05:41] Lucky you :-) [05:42] I setup proxy arp w/ shorewall [05:43] so there's the external net interface on the firewall, the location's LAN, and all the servers are on the DMZ via proxy arp [05:43] fun stuff... [05:45] http://shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm#ProxyARP <-- basically it is setup like that :P [05:46] Coolio [05:50] anyone here experienced with the .xsession-errors file? [06:07] Gnight folks === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@adsl-68-95-145-73.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] crap, scummvm build broke on ppc just because dvips segfaulted... === Firetech [n=Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-071-131.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] hello === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0521.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa175.1.tellas.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] morning [10:12] hi siretart [10:13] huhu ajmitch [10:13] my first steps with baz yesterday: it kinda rocks :) [10:13] bzr rocks harder [10:13] in principle, yes [10:14] but I'm unsure how to organize source packages with bzr [10:14] a configuration manager would be needed, I think.. [10:15] it can be done without it [10:15] you can nest trees in bzr easily [10:15] hm. [10:16] ajmitch: do you already manage your packges with bzr? [10:16] siretart: starting to [10:17] siretart: hello [10:17] huhu pef [10:18] pef: I see you prepared a lot of debdiffs for GLU Transistion, I'm just looking at them :) [10:19] siretart: and I'm working on the others, it's slow because some onf them are big c++ sources, takes times to compile :) [10:19] oh yes === carlospc [n=carlospc@85.136.53.174] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-088-152.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] siretart: if anything doesn't seems right for you, tell me :) [10:25] the patch to opensourcegraph looks intrusive, but correct. I'm just warming up my pbuilder.. [10:33] pef: regarding pong2, I hoped that breezy would have the same pong2 as in unstable [10:34] I couldn't see that time how gl/glu dependencies would be [10:34] siretart: need a sync from debian ? === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mpathy [n=markus@p54A1A01D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] pef: no, I don't think that it is feasible. let's better wait for xorg 6.9 or xorg 7.0 in unstable === mpathy [n=markus@p54A1A01D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === sedak [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fred__ [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-80-108.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548DBCED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@83.102.38.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat_ [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] siretart: linda seems to be broken on the revu machine [01:01] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/valgrind-ppc-0509021940/linda [01:02] hm [01:02] tiber has Installed: 0.3.8ubuntu2 [01:02] thats the version from hoary === slomo [n=slomo@p5487E151.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089EE09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] hi slomo [01:03] hi ogra [01:03] hi Mitario :) [01:03] hi slomo [01:03] hi [01:03] hi Mitario [01:04] gnarf. hi * :) [01:04] hi siretart :) [01:05] siretart: do you know when sistpoty will be here again? [01:05] siretart: my hoary version throws that error too [01:06] herzi: aah. ok. then nothings broken on tiber. linda itself doesn't handle newer packages [01:06] herzi: the solution is to run linda in breezy chroot, which will come with revu2 [01:07] slomo: is it important? I could give you his phone nr [01:07] siretart: no... i just want to know if mplayer is fixed for him now ;) [01:07] ok [01:08] siretart: or if i must search for other solutions and get annoyed by mplayer again :/ [01:08] :( [01:09] Mitario: did you ping mako again? ;) [01:09] not yet today just woke up :p [01:09] ah, same for me ;) [01:11] yay, first *successful* breezy install on this laptop [01:11] slomo: mplayer http://82.149.224.55:9500/;stream.nsv works for me :) [01:13] siretart: for me it crashes =) but the audio isn't ac3 so this is another problem ;) [01:13] it crashes?! [01:14] siretart: yes... it doesn't like the vp6 win32 dll :/ === ajmitch gets about tweaking the install to be suitable :) [01:15] vp6? whats that kind of videocodec? [01:15] the successor of vp3 which is the base of theora ;) [01:16] ah === HappyFool [n=user@tedo-ip-nas-1-p307.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-1409.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] what the right way to install an overrides file using cdbs? [01:25] hi [01:26] :[ [01:26] ivoks: hello [01:26] pef: hi === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] hi herzi, ivoks [01:26] ajmitch: ;D [01:26] ajmitch: :( [01:26] pef: why sad? [01:27] this is not a place for sad people [01:27] we are all one big happy motu something :) [01:27] some GLUtransitions packages does not compile [01:27] community! :) [01:27] pef: fix them :) [01:27] let me guess... [01:27] eheh [01:27] stellarium? :) [01:28] ivoks: aqsis http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/problem/aqsis_compile.log [01:28] and others, I'm putting a note on wikipage for each of them [01:28] ivoks: as elmo said on the meeting: [...] the all-singing, all-dancing, all-shiny MOTU troop ;-P [01:28] ivoks: ;) [01:29] slomo: elmo hates us :) [01:29] haha [01:29] yes, we need to be angry people [01:29] ivoks: and I'm not a MOTU, I'm not obliged to be happy :D [01:30] he likes only angry people :) [01:30] ajmitch: i _am_ angry :P i hate mplayer... it always crashes :P [01:30] pef: did you check debian's repository? maybe they have fresh version [01:30] slomo: mplayer too?! so... which player do we have that works in breezy?! [01:31] xine-ui crashes on right click [01:31] ivoks: everything gstreamer related ;) [01:31] mplayer is... well, it crashes without any reason... it's mplayer :) [01:31] yay! I have 3d accel out of the box with breezy :) [01:31] ajmitch: matrox? :) [01:31] ivoks: I will check [01:32] ivoks: i915 [01:32] ajmitch: ah... :) [01:32] gnome-terminal is playing stupid though [01:32] i finally have a working x.org with synaptics driver [01:32] synaptics rulez === Nafallo [n=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] ajmitch: i have 82845 on couple of machines... non of them have 3d [01:33] the touchpad is going *really* slowly for me [01:33] tseng had the same thing [01:33] ajmitch: do you have alps/synaptic touchpad? [01:33] dunno, probably [01:33] dmesg | grep ALPS [01:34] (**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad" [01:34] [4294684.451000] input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint on isa0060/serio1 [01:34] wee... [01:34] I do === ajmitch has a USB mouse attached anyway [01:34] man, you can make wonders with it! [01:34] ajmitch: i have vertical, horizontal scroll :) [01:34] not working for me [01:34] middle button in right upper corner [01:35] very nice :) [01:35] 3'rd button in lower right, etc.. [01:35] how did you configure X to work properly? [01:35] ajmitch: didn't work for me to, for ages.... [01:35] now it works === ajmitch is running the latest breezy daily install [01:35] ajmitch: then it will work :) [01:35] ajmitch: do you have breezy's kernel or your own? [01:35] ivoks: not out of the box, which is what matters for me [01:36] breezy's kernel, of course [01:36] yep, it's not out of the box... [01:36] I only installed a couple of hours ago [01:36] it should be tough [01:36] it should be out of the box [01:36] that's why I have this laptop :) [01:36] ah, you are in laptop team :) [01:36] so, let's move discussion over there, ok? [01:36] not sure if wifi is really working or not, since the light isn't on, and the wifi key gives dmesg errors [01:37] sure === ajmitch will keep his universe woes in here ;) [01:41] ivoks: if a new version is available on Debian, a bug should exists on bugzilla, right ? [01:42] pef: no [01:42] pef: just ask elmo to sync it [01:42] no. not all bugs are imported [01:43] siretart: because is on universe ? [01:44] pef: in generall, ubuntu bugzilla is only for main and restricted [01:45] pef: but as exception, we did the cxxtransition with ubuntu bugzilla [01:45] I think because malone was not mature enough for that that time.. [01:46] siretart: so in the future sync requests will be filled into malone for universe ? [01:47] pef: I don't think so [01:47] pef: but we dont file sync requests as bugs anyway [01:47] pef: are you thinking of merge requests? [01:48] where a new package is uploaded to debian, and we have to merge changes in? [01:48] ajmitch: yes [01:48] ok, those were being filed in bugzilla until upstream version freeze hit [01:49] automatically, when MoM ran [01:49] I think they might end up in malone for breezy+1, because everything is meant to be movign to malone [01:51] packages.debian.org is the right way to check for a new debian version of a package ? [01:52] yes, or packages.qa.debian.org [01:52] which I prefer [01:52] ok [01:52] and I just have to say to elmo "please sync this package " [01:53] yes, although if you're not a MOTU, I'm not sure if he'll do it [01:54] :/ [01:54] there is a new debian version available [01:54] fixes FTBFS? [01:54] have you tested building the new debian version? [01:55] will do now [01:56] no point asking for a sync if that fails as well :) [01:56] right [01:56] sorry pef [01:56] i made a mistake... should've told you to test it first [01:57] ivoks: very important :) [01:57] i know... [01:58] I'm compiling it right now === ajmitch thinks that non-detection of an antique ISA sound card shouldn't be a major bug ;) [01:58] hah, and not even using ubuntu [01:59] silly people ;) [02:02] ok... cupsys takes only 100% proc [02:02] why... :) === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] no wonder I'm running out of diskspace.. 1.1GB of IRC logs on here [02:10] :) === ajmitch obviously spends too much time in noisy channels ;) [02:11] #sex, etc... [02:13] pft, no [02:13] more like #ubuntu-devel, etc [02:13] heh [02:14] hm, a massive .ccache [02:14] which I never use anymore === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-80-108.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] ivoks: debian current version compiles [02:29] pef: you see [02:29] pef: compiles with gcc4? are you sure? [02:29] yes [02:30] ok... what's the name of package? [02:30] aqsis [02:30] should I put a reminder on the wikipage of GLUTransition ? [02:31] no [02:31] wait hour or two [02:31] elmo will sync it [02:31] well, i hope he will :) [02:32] ivoks: thank you ! should I ask you for every problem like this ? [02:32] well, you can ask anybody [02:33] ok :) [02:33] so this operation is "debian merging", right ? [02:33] it's not that simple :) [02:33] but, yes, it's merging [02:34] :) [02:34] ivoks: I only had to wait 3 days for a sync [02:34] really? elmo did mine in 15 minutes :) [02:35] oh my god, thats strange! [02:35] elmo was just very busy the last few days :) [02:36] yes [02:36] as expected [02:38] dunno [02:39] ivoks: if I find a bug in a program (does not compile for example) what's the cleaver thing to do ? writing a patch or checking if debian version solves the problem ? (and ask for merging) [02:39] pef: fix it [02:39]