[01:36] <Mitario> heya guys
[01:37] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[01:39] <Mitario> slomo, hiya, hows mako? :p
[01:40] <slomo> Mitario: not responding ;)
[01:40] <Mitario> hrm :)
[01:40] <Mitario> he wasn't near new orleans right? :p
[01:41] <slomo> Mitario: boston afaik
[01:41] <Mitario> ah
[01:43] <slomo> i hope he looks at the CoCs soon...
[01:45] <Mitario> indeed
[01:45] <Mitario> nn!
[01:45] <slomo> gn8
[03:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: You around?
[03:54] <ajmitch> yes
[03:54] <bddebian> Wanna do me a favor?
[03:56] <ajmitch> depends
[03:56] <bddebian> You hate me don't you? :-)
[03:56] <ajmitch> hm, no partimage in sarge, that is a pain
[03:56] <ajmitch> nope
[03:57] <bddebian> Can you throw blacs-mpi up?  I'm pretty sure just needs a rebuild and I need it for scalapack.
[03:57] <ajmitch> ok, I thought that one was rebuilt recently
[03:57] <bddebian> Still shows in apt-cache unmet
[03:59] <ajmitch> right, not showing up here, but the package is broken
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah, a simple rebuild wouldn't fix it
[04:00] <ajmitch> since lam4 is hardcoded in depends, which is why the last upload didn't fix it for you :)
[04:02] <ajmitch> fixed, building now...
[04:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where is lam4 hardcoded?
[04:03] <bddebian> Ohh blacs1-lam  what a dolt
[04:07] <ajmitch> I need a faster box for this
[04:07] <ajmitch> I wonder if there's room in the case for another hard drive..
[04:08] <bddebian> Want me to put up a box for ya to build on? :-)
[04:09] <ajmitch> would it be any faster than my xp 1800+, with 1GB RAM?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hmm, probably not :-)
[04:10] <ajmitch> not much point then, is there?
[04:10] <tseng> my fastest box right now is 2ghz p4
[04:10] <tseng> with maybe 512
[04:10] <ajmitch> ok, it built
[04:10] <tseng> building mono on my laptop is a whore
[04:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: I didn't know you had one.
[04:10] <bddebian> Your laptop is a whore?
[04:10] <tseng> yes
[04:10] <bddebian> Heh
[04:10] <tseng> it gets around
[04:11] <tseng> to australia, for instance
[04:11] <bddebian> You ain't seen shit until you try to build glibc on GNU/Hurd on a 550Mhz box with 384Mb.. ;-P
[04:11] <ajmitch> you didn't know I had what?
[04:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: An 1800
[04:11] <tseng> bddebian: dude
[04:11] <ajmitch> that box is ~3 years old now
[04:11] <tseng> bddebian: ive run gentoo on a pentium 120
[04:12] <bddebian> Uhm Gentoo <> GNU/Hurd ;-)
[04:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: Obviously he doesn't know how slow i/o is on Hurd eh? ;-P
[04:12] <tseng> gentoo was pretty bare at the time
[04:12] <tseng> before it got easier and surrounded by kiddies
[04:13] <tseng> meh.
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: you mean no DMA, no caching, and a completely untuned elevator algorithm?
[04:13] <ajmitch> aside from it all sitting on Mach
[04:13] <tseng> har har those are modules
[04:13] <tseng> you just need to build them
[04:13] <tseng> and um..
[04:13] <tseng> PROFIT
[04:15] <ajmitch> hey Lathiat
[04:15] <ajmitch> tseng: teh hurd is teh suck, k?
[04:17] <tseng> laughs
[04:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: blacs-mpi hit breezy changes, should be in the archive soon if it builds ok
[04:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey
[04:21] <ajmitch> uh yeah
[04:21] <ajmitch> hey to you too
[04:21] <ajmitch> :)
[04:21] <bddebian> the hurd is the suck?
[04:21] <bddebian> Thanks for the upload btw
[04:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[04:28] <ajmitch> ok, scummvm fixed (sync from debian), with new desktop file
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: it may have been on your list of FTBFS packages
[04:30] <bddebian> Thanks
[04:31] <bddebian> Gonna hit my new list on UniverseUnmetDeps too? :-)
[04:31] <ajmitch> yeah, I might do
[04:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: You rock, now matter what I say about you. ;-)
[04:31] <ajmitch> some of your descriptions of failures are rather wrong, though :)
[04:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Such as?
[04:32] <ajmitch> pgadmin3 does not depend on polyxmass*
[04:32] <ajmitch> nor does pgaccess
[04:32] <ajmitch> they FTBFS due to failing to find postgresql headers & libs
[04:32] <ajmitch> for odd & varied reasons
[04:34] <ajmitch> ****ing windows XP
[04:35] <bddebian> Gotta love it :-)
[04:35] <ajmitch> no I don't
[04:36] <bddebian> OK so I was smoking crack with pgadmin and pgaccess
[04:38] <dereks> anyone here a gdm guru?
[04:39] <ajmitch> dereks: no, do we need to be?
[04:39] <dereks> i am having problems with gdm or gnome, i can't log in to my box, and i need help
[04:39] <ajmitch> #ubuntu
[04:39] <ajmitch> much more likely to get answers
[04:39] <dereks> yeah, i have been asking there for a week
[04:39] <dereks> i gave up there
[04:39] <ajmitch> heh
[04:40] <ajmitch> what happens, what changed?
[04:40] <dereks> it freezes once it authenticates me (with the right login/password) ....
[04:40] <dereks> note, gdm/x/gnome freezes, i can still ssh in
[04:41] <ajmitch> fun
[04:41] <dereks> loads
[04:41] <ajmitch> anything still on the screen?
[04:42] <ajmitch> or are you past gdm & have a blank screen with a cursor?
[04:42] <dereks> it keeps gdm on there
[04:42] <ajmitch> crackful
[04:42] <ajmitch> yay, scummvm built
[04:42] <dereks> yup, keeps gdm on the screen as a tease!
[04:43] <dereks> if i do apt-get --reinstall install gnome, will it clean up all my gdm/gnome config files?
[04:43] <dereks> or is there a way to get it to do that?
[04:43] <ajmitch> yay, package didn't install..
[04:44] <ajmitch> no, it woudln't clean up conffiles
[04:44] <ajmitch> and it would only reinstall the gnome package, not all the dependencies
[04:44] <dereks> how would i clean up conf files?
[04:45] <ajmitch> um
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: scummvm still wouldn't install?
[04:45] <ajmitch> there may be a dpkg option like --force-confmiss which you can pass to apt-get
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, my fault, in trying to add a .desktop file
[04:46] <ajmitch> dereks: it's not something I've really done, so I'm somewhat guessing
[04:46] <dereks> ajmitch: ok, would i be yelled at if i ask in debian?
[04:47] <ajmitch> dereks: maybe
[04:47] <dereks> so i should ask in ubuntu :)
[04:47] <dereks> or is there an apt-get channel?
[04:47] <ajmitch> nope
[04:47] <dereks> darn
[04:47] <dereks> ubuntu it is :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> dereks: are you using anything exotic for authentication, like ldap or nis?
[04:48] <ajmitch> and is interface 'lo' up?
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, there is a patch on Debian BTS for regina-normal but the maintainer says a new version is coming from upstream.  Should I patch the current version or wait?
[04:49] <dereks> nope
[04:49] <dereks> and yup
[04:49] <dereks> lo is up and has an ip
[04:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: wonderful
[04:49] <ajmitch> does he say when?
[04:51] <ajmitch> since there was an upload a couple of days ago
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, he just says it's waiting for the KDE transition to sort itself out. Bug # 319993 btw
[04:51] <ajmitch>   * Uploaded for the g++-4 / KDE 3.4 transition.  Build-depends and shlibs
[04:51] <ajmitch>      files adjusted accordingly.
[04:52] <ajmitch> so a sync may be in order here
[04:52] <bddebian> Hmm, I dont see a new version on packages.d.o
[04:52] <bddebian> Jesus, can I ever get anything right?
[04:52] <ajmitch> it will have just recently hit the archive
[04:53] <ajmitch> unstable (math): 3-manifold topology software with normal surface support
[04:53] <ajmitch> 4.2-2: i386 ia64 powerpc
[04:53] <ajmitch> so it does show on packages.debian.org
[04:53] <bddebian> Isn't that the version we have?
[04:54] <bddebian> Nope
[04:54] <ajmitch> no
[04:55] <bddebian> I give up
[04:55] <ajmitch> again?
[04:56] <bddebian> It's not even humurous anymore
[04:57] <ajmitch> no, it's not humourous
[05:07] <dereks> i decided, after breezy, no more non stable versions for me!
[05:07] <dereks> and i iwll just hope backports is good ;)
[05:12] <ajmitch> dereks: so no helping out the MOTUs?
[05:17] <bddebian> You mean like I do? ;-P
[05:22] <dereks> ajmitch: i have been too long without a desktop :)
[05:23] <ajmitch> dereks: well you're the only person I've heard of with this problem :)
[05:24] <ajmitch> I've always had a desktop through the breezy cycle
[05:25] <dereks> ajmitch: i have since warty wasn't warty :(
[05:25] <bddebian> What is // in C++, a comment?
[05:26] <dereks> yeah
[05:27] <dereks> ajmitch: can you tell me what is in your .dmrc lconfig file and your .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 config file
[05:28] <ajmitch>  cat /home/ajmitch/.dmrc
[05:28] <ajmitch> [Desktop] 
[05:28] <ajmitch> Session=gnome
[05:28] <dereks> my .dmrc says Session=default
[05:28] <dereks> can that cause a problem?
[05:29] <ajmitch> it shouldn't
[05:29] <ajmitch> this box has been dist-upgraded from potato through sid, then to breezy
[05:29] <ajmitch> over a number of years
[05:29] <dereks> haha
[05:29] <ajmitch> and it's still going strong! :)
[05:30] <ajmitch> inclusing total hardware changes, where I transfered old drives into new computers :)
[05:34] <dereks> cool
[05:34] <dereks> i tend to reformat ever 1.5 years
[05:34] <dereks> when i can get a hdd to backup my stuff with
[05:35] <ajmitch> with debian-like systems, I don't see the point
[05:36] <ajmitch> I'd understand doing that with windows
[05:36] <bddebian> Except Windows has to be every 3 months or so :-)
[05:36] <dereks> ajmitch: i am soo used to windows systems, i guess i do it out of habit :)
[05:36] <dereks> though i went 4 years without windows
[05:36] <dereks> now work makes me have a windows laptop
[05:40] <chillywilly> hi
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:41] <chillywilly> was at work until 8:30pm redoing the networking on our T1
[05:41] <chillywilly> well it's actually not even in our nice office but at one of our branches :-/
[05:41] <bddebian> Lucky you :-)
[05:42] <chillywilly> I setup proxy arp w/ shorewall
[05:43] <chillywilly> so there's the external net interface on the firewall, the location's LAN, and all the servers are on the DMZ via proxy arp
[05:43] <chillywilly> fun stuff...
[05:45] <chillywilly> http://shorewall.net/shorewall_setup_guide.htm#ProxyARP <-- basically it is setup like that :P
[05:46] <bddebian> Coolio
[05:50] <dereks> anyone here experienced with the .xsession-errors file?
[06:07] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:55] <ajmitch> crap, scummvm build broke on ppc just because dvips segfaulted...
[08:53] <pef> hello
[10:12] <siretart> morning
[10:12] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[10:13] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[10:13] <siretart> my first steps with baz yesterday: it kinda rocks :)
[10:13] <Lathiat> bzr rocks harder
[10:13] <siretart> in principle, yes
[10:14] <siretart> but I'm unsure how to organize source packages with bzr
[10:14] <siretart> a configuration manager would be needed, I think..
[10:15] <ajmitch> it can be done without it
[10:15] <ajmitch> you can nest trees in bzr easily
[10:15] <siretart> hm.
[10:16] <siretart> ajmitch: do you already manage your packges with bzr?
[10:16] <ajmitch> siretart: starting to
[10:17] <pef> siretart: hello
[10:17] <siretart> huhu pef
[10:18] <siretart> pef: I see you prepared a lot of debdiffs for GLU Transistion, I'm just looking at them :)
[10:19] <pef> siretart: and I'm working on the others, it's slow because some onf them are big c++ sources, takes times to compile :)
[10:19] <siretart> oh yes
[10:22] <pef> siretart: if anything doesn't seems right for you, tell me :)
[10:25] <siretart> the patch to opensourcegraph looks intrusive, but correct. I'm just warming up my pbuilder..
[10:33] <siretart> pef: regarding pong2, I hoped that breezy would have the same pong2 as in unstable
[10:34] <siretart> I couldn't see that time how gl/glu dependencies would be
[10:34] <pef> siretart: need a sync from debian ?
[10:47] <siretart> pef: no, I don't think that it is feasible. let's better wait for xorg 6.9 or xorg 7.0 in unstable
[01:01] <herzi> siretart: linda seems to be broken on the revu machine
[01:01] <herzi> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/valgrind-ppc-0509021940/linda
[01:02] <siretart> hm
[01:02] <siretart> tiber has   Installed: 0.3.8ubuntu2
[01:02] <siretart> thats the version from hoary
[01:03] <Mitario> hi slomo
[01:03] <Mitario> hi ogra
[01:03] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[01:03] <siretart> hi slomo
[01:03] <ajmitch> hi
[01:03] <siretart> hi Mitario
[01:04] <siretart> gnarf. hi * :)
[01:04] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[01:05] <slomo> siretart: do you know when sistpoty will be here again?
[01:05] <herzi> siretart: my hoary version throws that error too
[01:06] <siretart> herzi: aah. ok. then nothings broken on tiber. linda itself doesn't handle newer packages
[01:06] <siretart> herzi: the solution  is to run linda in breezy chroot, which will come with revu2
[01:07] <siretart> slomo: is it important? I could give you his phone nr
[01:07] <slomo> siretart: no... i just want to know if mplayer is fixed for him now ;)
[01:07] <siretart> ok
[01:08] <slomo> siretart: or if i must search for other solutions and get annoyed by mplayer again :/
[01:08] <siretart> :(
[01:09] <slomo> Mitario: did you ping mako again? ;)
[01:09] <Mitario> not yet today just woke up :p
[01:09] <slomo> ah, same for me ;)
[01:11] <ajmitch> yay, first *successful* breezy install on this laptop
[01:11] <siretart> slomo: mplayer http://82.149.224.55:9500/;stream.nsv works for me :)
[01:13] <slomo> siretart: for me it crashes =) but the audio isn't ac3 so this is another problem ;)
[01:13] <siretart> it crashes?!
[01:14] <slomo> siretart: yes... it doesn't like the vp6 win32 dll :/
[01:15] <siretart> vp6? whats that kind of videocodec?
[01:15] <slomo> the successor of vp3 which is the base of theora ;)
[01:16] <siretart> ah
[01:25] <herzi> what the right way to install an overrides file using cdbs?
[01:25] <ivoks> hi
[01:26] <ivoks> :[
[01:26] <pef> ivoks: hello
[01:26] <ivoks> pef: hi
[01:26] <ajmitch> hi herzi, ivoks
[01:26] <ivoks> ajmitch: ;D
[01:26] <pef> ajmitch: :(
[01:26] <ajmitch> pef: why sad?
[01:27] <ivoks> this is not a place for sad people
[01:27] <ivoks> we are all one big happy motu something :)
[01:27] <pef> some GLUtransitions packages does not compile
[01:27] <ivoks> community! :)
[01:27] <ivoks> pef: fix them :)
[01:27] <ivoks> let me guess...
[01:27] <pef> eheh
[01:27] <ivoks> stellarium? :)
[01:28] <pef> ivoks: aqsis http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/problem/aqsis_compile.log
[01:28] <pef> and others, I'm putting a note on wikipage for each of them
[01:28] <slomo> ivoks: as elmo said on the meeting: <elmo>  [...]  the all-singing, all-dancing, all-shiny MOTU troop ;-P
[01:28] <slomo> ivoks: ;)
[01:29] <ivoks> slomo: elmo hates us :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> haha
[01:29] <ajmitch> yes, we need to be angry people
[01:29] <pef> ivoks: and I'm not a MOTU, I'm not obliged to be happy :D
[01:30] <ivoks> he likes only angry people :)
[01:30] <slomo> ajmitch: i _am_ angry :P i hate mplayer... it always crashes :P
[01:30] <ivoks> pef: did you check debian's repository? maybe they have fresh version
[01:30] <ivoks> slomo: mplayer too?! so... which player do we have that works in breezy?!
[01:31] <ivoks> xine-ui crashes on right click
[01:31] <slomo> ivoks: everything gstreamer related ;)
[01:31] <ivoks> mplayer is... well, it crashes without any reason... it's mplayer :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> yay! I have 3d accel out of the box with breezy :)
[01:31] <ivoks> ajmitch: matrox? :)
[01:31] <pef> ivoks: I will check
[01:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: i915
[01:32] <ivoks> ajmitch: ah... :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> gnome-terminal is playing stupid though
[01:32] <ivoks> i finally have a working x.org with synaptics driver
[01:32] <ivoks> synaptics rulez
[01:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: i have 82845 on couple of machines... non of them have 3d
[01:33] <ajmitch> the touchpad is going *really* slowly for me
[01:33] <ajmitch> tseng had the same thing
[01:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: do you have alps/synaptic touchpad?
[01:33] <ajmitch> dunno, probably
[01:33] <ivoks> dmesg | grep ALPS
[01:34] <ajmitch> (**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[01:34] <ajmitch> [4294684.451000]  input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint on isa0060/serio1
[01:34] <ajmitch> wee...
[01:34] <ajmitch> I do
[01:34] <ivoks> man, you can make wonders with it!
[01:34] <ivoks> ajmitch: i have vertical, horizontal scroll :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> not working for me
[01:34] <ivoks> middle button in right upper corner
[01:35] <ajmitch> very nice :)
[01:35] <ivoks> 3'rd button in lower right, etc..
[01:35] <ajmitch> how did you configure X to work properly?
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: didn't work for me to, for ages....
[01:35] <ivoks> now it works
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: then it will work :)
[01:35] <ivoks> ajmitch: do you have breezy's kernel or your own?
[01:35] <ajmitch> ivoks: not out of the box, which is what matters for me
[01:36] <ajmitch> breezy's kernel, of course
[01:36] <ivoks> yep, it's not out of the box...
[01:36] <ajmitch> I only installed a couple of hours ago
[01:36] <ivoks> it should be tough
[01:36] <ajmitch> it should be out of the box
[01:36] <ajmitch> that's why I have this laptop :)
[01:36] <ivoks> ah, you are in laptop team :)
[01:36] <ivoks> so, let's move discussion over there, ok?
[01:36] <ajmitch> not sure if wifi is really working or not, since the light isn't on, and the wifi key gives dmesg errors
[01:37] <ajmitch> sure
[01:41] <pef> ivoks: if a new version is available on Debian, a bug should exists on bugzilla, right ?
[01:42] <ivoks> pef: no
[01:42] <ivoks> pef: just ask elmo to sync it
[01:42] <siretart> no. not all bugs are imported
[01:43] <pef> siretart: because is on universe ?
[01:44] <siretart> pef: in generall, ubuntu bugzilla is only for main and restricted
[01:45] <siretart> pef: but as exception, we did the cxxtransition with ubuntu bugzilla
[01:45] <siretart> I think because malone was not mature enough for that that time..
[01:46] <pef> siretart: so in the future sync requests will be filled into malone for universe ?
[01:47] <siretart> pef: I don't think so
[01:47] <siretart> pef: but we dont file sync requests as bugs anyway
[01:47] <ajmitch> pef: are you thinking of merge requests?
[01:48] <ajmitch> where a new package is uploaded to debian, and we have to merge changes in?
[01:48] <pef> ajmitch: yes
[01:48] <ajmitch> ok, those were being filed in bugzilla until upstream version freeze hit
[01:49] <ajmitch> automatically, when MoM ran
[01:49] <ajmitch> I think they might end up in malone for breezy+1, because everything is meant to be movign to malone
[01:51] <pef> packages.debian.org is the right way to check for a new debian version of a package ?
[01:52] <ajmitch> yes, or packages.qa.debian.org
[01:52] <ajmitch> which I prefer
[01:52] <pef> ok
[01:52] <pef> and I just have to say to elmo "please sync this package "
[01:53] <ajmitch> yes, although if you're not a MOTU, I'm not sure if he'll do it
[01:54] <pef> :/
[01:54] <pef> there is a new debian version available
[01:54] <ajmitch> fixes FTBFS?
[01:54] <ajmitch> have you tested building the new debian version?
[01:55] <pef> will do now
[01:56] <ajmitch> no point asking for a sync if that fails as well :)
[01:56] <ivoks> right
[01:56] <ivoks> sorry pef
[01:56] <ivoks> i made a mistake... should've told you to test it first
[01:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: very important :)
[01:57] <ivoks> i know...
[01:58] <pef> I'm compiling it right now
[01:58] <ajmitch> hah, and not even using ubuntu
[01:59] <ajmitch> silly people ;)
[02:02] <ivoks> ok... cupsys takes only 100% proc
[02:02] <ivoks> why... :)
[02:10] <ajmitch> no wonder I'm running out of diskspace.. 1.1GB of IRC logs on here
[02:10] <ivoks> :)
[02:11] <ivoks> #sex, etc...
[02:13] <ajmitch> pft, no
[02:13] <ajmitch> more like #ubuntu-devel, etc
[02:13] <Lathiat> heh
[02:14] <ajmitch> hm, a massive .ccache
[02:14] <ajmitch> which I never use anymore
[02:29] <pef> ivoks: debian current version compiles
[02:29] <ivoks> pef: you see
[02:29] <ivoks> pef: compiles with gcc4? are you sure?
[02:29] <pef> yes
[02:30] <ivoks> ok... what's the name of package?
[02:30] <pef> aqsis
[02:30] <pef> should I put a reminder on the wikipage of GLUTransition ?
[02:31] <ivoks> no
[02:31] <ivoks> wait hour or two
[02:31] <ivoks> elmo will sync it
[02:31] <ivoks> well, i hope he will :)
[02:32] <pef> ivoks: thank you ! should I ask you for every problem like this ?
[02:32] <ivoks> well, you can ask anybody
[02:33] <pef> ok :)
[02:33] <pef> so this operation is "debian merging", right ?
[02:33] <ivoks> it's not that simple :)
[02:33] <ivoks> but, yes, it's merging
[02:34] <ivoks> :)
[02:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: I only had to wait 3 days for a sync
[02:34] <ivoks> really? elmo did mine in 15 minutes :)
[02:35] <ivoks> oh my god, thats strange!
[02:35] <Mitario> elmo was just very busy the last few days :)
[02:36] <ajmitch> yes
[02:36] <ajmitch> as expected
[02:38] <Mitario> dunno
[02:39] <pef> ivoks: if I find a bug in a program (does not compile for example) what's the cleaver thing to do ? writing a patch or checking if debian version solves the problem  ? (and ask for merging)
[02:39] <ivoks> pef: fix it
[02:39] <pef> I think the second solution...
[02:40] <ivoks> pef: we can't merge for ever...
[02:40] <ivoks> :)
[02:40] <pef> mm how to know what's the best thing to do ?
[02:41] <ivoks> ogra_ will tell you
[02:41] <ivoks> he's best person for that stuff
[02:42] <ajmitch> ivoks: I prefer to merge rather than patch
[02:42] <pef> ivoks: so it's a case per case decision, no general solution ?
[02:43] <ajmitch> ivoks: there is no point duplicating work already done in debian, UVF exceptions are there for FTBFS packages for a reason
[02:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: sometimes (g++ transition) we don't have source to merge from :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> and we'd have to review & drop our patch when it comes to merge time
[02:43] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes, but pef was asking about the case of already fixed in debian
[02:43] <ivoks> if it's fixed in debian, then merge
[02:44] <ivoks> i'm just not sure how are things with freezing
[02:44] <pef> if a bug is fixed with Ubuntu version, is the patch sent to Debian too ?
[02:44] <ajmitch> pef: the patch shows up on a page, but the maintainer is not emailed or contacted in another way
[02:45] <pef> ajmitch: malone may change that, I hope
[02:45] <ajmitch> pef: maybe
[02:46] <ajmitch> it depends on politics as well
[02:49] <pef> are my comments usefull ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition or it is timeloss ?
[02:51] <ajmitch> pef: sure they're useful
[02:51] <pef> ok :)
[03:17] <ajmitch> night all
[03:24] <rbelem> morning all ;-)
[03:51] <pef> why some debian/rules have commented debhelper commands calls ? it takes place for nothing, can I delete them ?
[03:55] <siretart> pef: if you are maintainer of such a package, you should
[03:55] <siretart> pef: those are leftovers from templates
[03:56] <siretart> pef: when touching a package, I think it's better to keep the debdiff small
[03:57] <pef> siretart: but the diff.gz becomes smaller ;)
[03:57] <siretart> pef: I review the debdiff ;)
[03:58] <siretart> in principle you are right
[04:15] <tseng> Lathiat: ping
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: pong
[04:16] <tseng> Lathiat: you got a dell right?
[04:16] <tseng> Lathiat: what did you send for serial # to CVD
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: havent got it yet
[04:16] <tseng> ok
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: i suspect the service tag would be good perhaps
[04:16] <Lathiat> tseng: i8kctl will tell you it, it should be on th ebottom on a sticker
[04:16] <Lathiat> let me look on this dell
[04:17] <tseng> i have a service tag
[04:17] <tseng> and stuff
[04:17] <tseng> the serial must be much less obvious
[04:17] <Lathiat> the 'service tag' quite possibly si the 'serial
[04:17] <Lathiat> given its coded into the bios etc
[04:18] <tseng> thats what i was hoping youd tell me :)
[04:19] <Lathiat> its a machine-specific unique ID at any rate
[04:19] <Lathiat> so it would make sens eto me
[04:19] <Lathiat> brb
[05:47] <lsuactiafner> slomo : did you make 32bit static binaries for amd 64 to play back wmv files?
[05:48] <slomo> lsuactiafner: no... that's breezy+1 goal
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> it not that much extra effort
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> i put that bug report up about it and also made a hacked "package" effect
[05:51] <slomo> lsuactiafner: can you give me the url to the bug report?
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> will paste soon
[05:52] <lsuactiafner> remember, media on pcs is very very important
[05:53] <slomo> lsuactiafner: and i won't do it before breezy+1 ;) we plan to rewrite the package for breezy+1... only one mplayer package (not all the different flavors for different archs) with cpu runtime detection... and for amd64 i'll probably make a mplayer32 package
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> you'll need 32 and 64 packages for amd64
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> since sdl x11 xv has problems linking statically
[05:53] <slomo> i know
[05:53] <lsuactiafner> currently i use fdev to play wmv
[05:54] <lsuactiafner> ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/MPlayer-1.0pre7_32bit-for-amd64.tar.bz2 and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/571
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> but with gcc 4 i think it will be easier to make a 32bit binary
[05:55] <slomo> ah that one... already assigned to MOTUMedia ;) so don't worry... for breezy+1 you'll get mplayer32 and mplayer64
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> ./configure --target=athlon_xp --cc="gcc -m32" --as="as --32" --with-extralibdir=/usr/lib
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> that will make a nice binary in gcc 4
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> cool
[05:56] <lsuactiafner> i just do the cvs thing every few hours but my static binary is too much effort to keep up to date
[05:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ping
[05:57] <slomo> it's just that i'm currently sick of mplayer ;) fixing the ac3 crash was too time consuming and the packaging by marillat is just ugly... i need some mplayer-free time ;)
[05:58] <lsuactiafner> ppl in mplayerdev might be helpfull
[06:01] <slomo> probably... but i really don't want to touch mplayer again for breezy except for critical stuff ;) i'll only update ffmpeg for breezy and then fix bugs where i find some...
[06:04] <lsuactiafner> cool
[06:32] <sistpoty> ping siretart
[06:32] <Lathiat> From #ubuntu-motu icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[06:33] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:35] <bddebian> Any MOTUs wanna try a REALLY lame fix for savant?
[06:46] <bddebian> Anyone awake? :-)
[06:49] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:49] <Lathiat> i need to get ipac-ng fixed
[06:49] <Lathiat> bddebian: i can
[06:49] <bddebian> Lathiat: I don't have a patch but it's just two lines of code
[06:49] <Lathiat> bddebian: i want source packages ;p
[06:50] <bddebian> Lathiat: apt-get source savant ;-P
[06:50] <Lathiat> ajmitch, siretart, dholbach, ogra: ping?
[06:51] <Lathiat> ok
[06:51] <Lathiat> what do i do
[06:52] <bddebian> Lathiat: me?
[06:52] <Lathiat> bddebian: yuh
[06:53] <Lathiat> and tell me what its supposed to fixor
[06:53] <bddebian> Lathiat: add #include "savant.hh" to hash_tables.hh in src/utils.  Also in /src/util comment out line 343, should be "cout << "NULL" << endl"
[06:53] <bddebian> Lathiat: FTBFS
[06:53] <Lathiat> ok
[06:53] <Lathiat> hangon
[06:57] <bddebian> OK, got another question (not savant).  quickplot has in public:  friend class FieldReader;   Then in private: FieldReader *fieldReader;  and gcc4 complains "ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'FieldReader' with no type" ??
[06:58] <Lathiat> err
[06:58] <Lathiat> probably just missing the declaration i guess
[06:59] <bddebian> Isn't that what "friend class FieldReader;" is?
[06:59] <bddebian> Hello Seveas
[06:59] <Lathiat> bddebian: no
[06:59] <Lathiat> bddebian: that declares it as a friend class
[06:59] <Lathiat> its possible this behavior changed a little
[06:59] <Lathiat> from having it also implicitly define it
[06:59] <sistpoty> bddebian: no, friend class makes fieldreader access protected/private members of the class with the friend definition
[06:59] <Lathiat> and hence why ti FTBFS now
[07:00] <bddebian> So in private: I have to re-declare it?
[07:00] <bddebian> Sorry, I don't know C++ for shit.
[07:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: err
[07:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: comment out line 343 of what file
[07:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Sorry, set.hh
[07:00] <sistpoty> bddebian: you need either to include the Fieldreader header or add s.th. like "class FieldReader;" before the class is defined
[07:00] <Seveas> hi
[07:01] <Lathiat> why does that need to be commented out?
[07:01] <bddebian> Lathiat: It probably shouldn't be but it causes a gcc4 error and all other instances were commented out :-)
[07:01] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:01] <Lathiat> interesting
[07:01] <Lathiat> what error?
[07:01] <bddebian> Lathiat: Or, you need to declare cout and endl I think.
[07:01] <Lathiat> ah
[07:01] <Lathiat> you need
[07:01] <Lathiat> using std;
[07:01] <Lathiat> or to make it
[07:02] <Lathiat> std::cout << "NULL" << std::endl;
[07:02] <Lathiat> i'll uh
[07:02] <Lathiat> comment it out i guess
[07:02] <Lathiat> looks like a debug fucntion anyway
[07:02] <bddebian> It's some pretty sickly looking code from what I can tell :-)
[07:03] <Lathiat> not quite sre how to test it guess i can try ;p
[07:03] <bddebian> Lathiat: BTW, be warned it takes forever to compile :-)
[07:03] <Lathiat> i guess at worst
[07:03] <Lathiat> it wont break anything
[07:03] <Lathiat> in theory :)
[07:03] <Lathiat> mm pbuilder needs updating
[07:03] <Lathiat> beheh i had one package
[07:03] <Lathiat> took 2 hour sto compile
[07:03] <Lathiat> i wa about to give up waiting and goto bed
[07:03] <Lathiat> when it finished
[07:03] <Lathiat> cept it failed, right at the end, on the link stage
[07:04] <bddebian> Doh
[07:04] <Lathiat> and i had no idea hwo to fi x it
[07:04] <Lathiat> (still dont)
[07:04] <Lathiat> mailed the maintainer
[07:04] <bddebian> I did that last night and my wife shut my machine off this morning.. :-(
[07:04] <Lathiat> said he didnt care file a bug
[07:04] <bddebian> Lathiat: For what package?
[07:04] <Lathiat> i forget
[07:04] <bddebian> Oh hehe
[07:04] <Lathiat> gclcvs maybe
[07:08] <bddebian> Jesus, all I had to add was class FieldReader; thanks sistpoty
[07:08] <bddebian> Damn I hate packages that don't already have a patch framework. :'-(
[07:08] <sistpoty> np ;)
[07:08] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:08] <Lathiat> pisses me off
[07:09] <Lathiat> should be mandatory :)
[07:10] <bddebian> I'm not even sure I know how to set that up. :-(
[07:11] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: cdbs or the plain debhelper package?
[07:12] <sistpoty> (if you can call it debhelper "plain *g*)
[07:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: I think it's just debhlper
[07:12] <Nafallo> bddebian: gajim has a good example :-)
[07:13] <bddebian> Nafallo: OK, thanks
[07:14] <ivoks> hey all
[07:15] <Nafallo> morning ivoks
[07:21] <ivoks> Lathiat: did you try that config for alps?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: yeh
[07:22] <ivoks> and?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: works fine
[07:22] <ivoks> ok
[07:22] <bddebian> Lathiat: I told you it takes a while :-)
[07:22] <ivoks> thanks
[07:22] <Lathiat> its similar to a set i've seen similarly suggested
[07:22] <siretart> sistpoty: pong :)
[07:22] <Lathiat> ivoks: im fond of CircularScrolling however :)
[07:22] <ivoks> i don't see point of that :)
[07:22] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[07:23] <ivoks> Lathiat: what's with the CircularScrolling? what do you get?
[07:23] <Lathiat> ivoks: when your scrolling
[07:23] <Lathiat> if you start
[07:23] <Lathiat> you can then just spin aroudn the touchpad
[07:23] <Lathiat> in a circle or square or whatever
[07:23] <Lathiat> and it keeps scrolling
[07:24] <ivoks> ah, i see
[07:24] <ivoks> not bad
[07:24] <Lathiat> so you can start scrolling down then just move yoru finger around in a circle
[07:24] <Lathiat> or change direction
[07:24] <Lathiat> and it keeps scrolling
[07:24] <ivoks> in all directions?
[07:24] <Lathiat> well
[07:24] <Lathiat> clockwise
[07:24] <Lathiat> anti-clockwise
[07:24] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:24] <Lathiat> forwards
[07:24] <Lathiat> backwards
[07:24] <ivoks> ah...
[07:25] <ivoks> will try that
[07:25] <ivoks> i have one corner unused :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> well it has nothing to do with that
[07:25] <ivoks> it does
[07:25] <ivoks> starting point :)
[07:25] <Lathiat> nah
[07:25] <Lathiat> it just carries on from standard scrolling
[07:27] <ivoks> ok, i don't get it :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> so
[07:28] <Lathiat> you know how you use the right side to scroll right
[07:28] <ivoks> yes
[07:28] <Lathiat> up and down
[07:28] <Lathiat> you start scrolling down
[07:28] <ivoks> and bottom side
[07:28] <Lathiat> then you hit th ebottom
[07:28] <Lathiat> so instead of going up to the top
[07:28] <Lathiat> you just move yoru finger round in a circular motion
[07:28] <Lathiat> for an easy demo
[07:28] <Lathiat> just follow the outer edge of yoru touchpad
[07:28] <ivoks> ok...
[07:29] <Lathiat> work?
[07:29] <ivoks> i see
[07:29] <ivoks> yes
[07:29] <Lathiat> now you dont need to follow the outer edge
[07:29] <ivoks> it's like you have longer scroll bar
[07:30] <Lathiat> yuh
[07:30] <Lathiat> and you can keep goign around and aroudn
[07:30] <ivoks> yes
[07:30] <ivoks> nice, could be useful :)
[07:30] <ivoks> i'm so glad i got that synaptics working
[07:30] <Lathiat> its great when reading logn webapges and stuff
[07:31] <ivoks> touchpad is now almost nicer than mouse :)
[07:33] <ivoks> acctually, for me is better if circular is off
[07:33] <ivoks> since i don't lift finger when i'm done with scrolling
[07:33] <Lathiat> ah
[07:33] <Lathiat> i do
[07:33] <Lathiat> if you go directly on a sharp angle
[07:33] <Lathiat> it seems to stop
[07:33] <Lathiat> to try accomodate for that i guess
[07:33] <Lathiat> usually ends up pissing me off cus it stops scrolling :)
[07:34] <ivoks> :)
[07:34] <ivoks> it would be great if it would work even after you lift your finger
[07:34] <Lathiat> heh
[07:34] <ivoks> for example, if it would have one corner to turn it off
[07:34] <Lathiat> see thats like
[07:34] <Lathiat> using vim
[07:34] <ivoks> you read, scratch your back and then continue scrolling
[07:34] <Lathiat> not a good default for my mum ;p
[07:35] <ivoks> hehe
[07:35] <Lathiat> some guy was editing a file on my laptop
[07:35] <Lathiat> i said
[07:35] <Lathiat> 'hit 3x'
[07:35] <Lathiat> hes like whough cool
[07:35] <ivoks> hehe
[07:35] <ivoks> c5w would give him a heartattack :)
[07:36] <Lathiat> heh
[07:36] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:36] <Lathiat> i have to remember that
[07:36] <ivoks> what? c5w?
[07:36] <Lathiat> never used c<x> before
[07:36] <ivoks> LOL!!!
[07:37] <ivoks> r is better than cx
[07:37] <ivoks> but cNx is ok
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[07:37] <Lathiat> whatever
[07:37] <siretart> is it vim?
[07:37] <ivoks> siretart: yup
[07:38] <ivoks> Lathiat: you are kidding me... you don't know for c(hange)?
[07:38] <Lathiat> i knew of it i just never really used it
[07:39] <siretart> was just reading strange commands.. not crazy enough for xemcas. must be vim *fg*
[07:39] <ivoks> :p
[07:39] <Lathiat> has anyone elses keyboard shortcuts stopped working since they made defaults
[07:39] <Lathiat> doesnt work in either rhythmbox or muine for me
[07:39] <Lathiat> used to
[07:40] <Lathiat> works in totem
[07:40] <ivoks> time to go...
[07:40] <Lathiat> ok next works in totme
[07:40] <Lathiat> thats all
[07:40] <ivoks> see you guys
[07:40] <Lathiat> ok seems next works in everything
[07:41] <ivoks> next, back, pause/play works
[07:41] <ivoks> totem
[07:42] <Lathiat> ok so for me
[07:42] <Lathiat> the defaults dont work
[07:42] <Lathiat> if i set it
[07:43] <Lathiat> which sets exactly the same keycode
[07:43] <Lathiat> it works
[07:43] <ivoks> :))
[07:43] <ivoks> can't confirme it, couse it works for me
[07:43] <ivoks> now, bye, really
[07:44] <bddebian> Lathiat: Still building?
[07:44] <Lathiat> bddebian: done
[07:44] <Lathiat> grr thats annoying
[07:44] <Lathiat> i accidentally set a shortcut as the right arrow
[07:44] <Lathiat> i changed it
[07:44] <Lathiat> but the right arrow no longer works
[07:44] <bddebian> :-(
[07:52] <HelmutG> Hi. Can you tell me what to do to get the debian package called slate into ubuntu?
[07:53] <Tomcat_> To make it quicker, HelmutG is the maintainer of slate in Debian. =)
[07:55] <bddebian> HelmutG: Put in on UniverseCandidates wiki page at wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:57] <HelmutG> Hmm. You tweaked moinmoin to force users before editing. I don't like this, can someone else do this for me?
[07:57] <HelmutG> s/force users/& to register/
[07:58] <Tomcat_> I could...
[07:58] <Tomcat_> Wait a second, I'll need to log in...
[07:59] <HelmutG> Ok. The packages can be found in debian testing and unstable as well as the download section of http://slate.tunes.org/ (which is currently unavailable). You can most often find me in #slate and mail me with suggestions or problems concerning the packages.
[08:00] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Can you give me any information? My sarge doesn't have a package "slate"... but I need some info to put in the wiki.
[08:01] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: sarge is stable. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/slate
[08:01] <Tomcat_> Oh right packages.debian.org.. should've thought about that. ;)
[08:02] <HelmutG> It should be easy to incorperate in ubuntu as it only depends on libc6 and ncurses. A simple rebuild for your distribution of these packages should work.
[08:03] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Check the wikipage. Is the information okay this way?
[08:03] <Tomcat_> ... whenever it's finished saving...
[08:03] <Tomcat_> Ah, now.
[08:04] <Tomcat_> argl... no, wait, I did that completely wrong.
[08:05] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: Apart from you messed up the wiki syntax, yes. ;)
[08:06] <Tomcat_> I corrected it... also placed it to the candidates, not the "being handled".
[08:06] <LaserJock> can packages that are not in Debian be included in universe?
[08:07] <Tomcat_> LaserJock: I think so. :o
[08:07] <siretart> ok, bye folks
[08:08] <HelmutG> Tomcat_: One problem will be that I cannot handle bugs the ubuntu packages as I don't have a machine running ubuntu. Some DDs told me about this problem.
[08:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes
[08:08] <bddebian> HelmutG: BTW, just so you know we are in a feature freeze for breezy so it probably won't make it into breezy
[08:08] <Tomcat_> HelmutG: Well I myself am not one of the motu people... I guess somebody will do the maintenance on Ubuntu then and work together with you somehow.
[08:09] <HelmutG> bddebian: That's ok. I've got time. :)
[08:09] <bddebian> OK :-)
[08:09] <Tomcat_> Nice that you triggered the inclusion, anyway. :)
[08:10] <HelmutG> bddebian: See it as a long-term aim. :)
[08:11] <ivoks> Lathiat: ping
[08:11] <HelmutG> slate still changes a lot these days, so packages will be frequently out of date. ;)
[08:11] <LaserJock> what is the official way to ask for a new package to be included/updated in universe?
[08:12] <ivoks> is it in debian?
[08:12] <LaserJock> ivoks: are you asking me?
[08:12] <ivoks> yes
[08:13] <LaserJock> well, the one I would like updated is in Debian (just not the updated version). The one I would like included is not in Debian
[08:15] <ivoks> don't know :) wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[08:15] <LaserJock> there are RPMs for the one that isn't in Debian
[08:16] <ivoks> meaning they can't go in ubuntu
[08:16] <HelmutG> Thank you very much for helping me getting slate into ubuntu.
[08:17] <Lathiat> ivoks: pong
[08:23] <ogra> LaserJock, add the package to UniverseCandidates
[08:25] <LaserJock> ogra: what about a package that needs to be updated, but it is quite an update because the developers have split there program into a lib and the rest
[08:26] <LaserJock> scigraphica is the particular package I am thinking of
[08:29] <ivoks> LaserJock: you have phyisical scroll touchpad?
[08:29] <ivoks> fsck..
[08:29] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have phyisical scroll touchpad?
[08:29] <Lathiat> ivoks: hrm?
[08:29] <Lathiat> ivoks: "physical scroll" ?
[08:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have one touchpad?
[08:30] <Lathiat> uh.. yes..
[08:30] <Lathiat> since when do you have more than 1?
[08:30] <ivoks> there are tp with separated scroll
[08:31] <Lathiat> ive never seen that
[08:31] <ivoks> no?
[08:31] <Lathiat> ive onlyh seen them with a marked out area
[08:31] <ivoks> :)
[08:31] <Lathiat> mine has no such markings
[08:31] <ivoks> ok, that's what i'm asking
[08:31] <ivoks> sorry for bad english, i'm tierd
[08:32] <ivoks> Lathiat: i'm asking couse you said "the 'scroll' area comes far too into my
[08:32] <Lathiat> cool, this 'prelaunch' program is quite nifty
[08:32] <ivoks> touchpad area such that I keep hitting it accidentally"
[08:32] <Lathiat> seems to work well
[08:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: right
[08:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: the area in which using, causes a scroll to happen
[08:32] <ivoks> 1.5cm?
[08:32] <ivoks> 1.5cm is half of my touchpad :)
[08:32] <ogra> LaserJock, if you want any particular package in universe, UniverseCandidates is the right place... make a note next to it that its an update for a existing package... additionally its far easier for us if the debian maintainer just updates his package and we can sync it... did you contact the debian maintainer ?
[08:33] <Lathiat> heh
[08:33] <LaserJock> ogra: no I haven't, I will give that a try
[08:33] <Lathiat> probably more like 1cm i guess
[08:33] <Lathiat> depends where you measure
[08:33] <Lathiat> center of finger, end of figner, etc
[08:34] <ivoks> Lathiat: it's 0.8-1cm here
[08:35] <ivoks> Lathiat: you can resize it
[08:35] <Lathiat> ivoks: sure, but im talking about the proposed list of defaults
[08:35] <Lathiat> need to write a little calibration program :)
[08:35] <Lathiat> 'please run your finger all the way aroudn the edge of yoru touchpad
[08:36] <Lathiat> 'please move yoru finger down the appropriate location for hoizontal scrolling
[08:36] <Lathiat> etc
[08:36] <ivoks> eh...
[08:36] <Lathiat> cus ive seen some touchpads that are really really wide
[08:36] <ivoks> i know
[08:38] <ivoks> well... off to bed
[08:39] <Lathiat> sistpoty: we dont care ;p
[08:40] <sistpoty> Lathiat: i didn't find the setting (kvirc) yet, to turn this off ;)
[08:40] <Lathiat> heh
[08:40] <Lathiat> kvirc sucks then ;p
[08:41] <sistpoty> hm... probably, but i got used to some of its scripting *g*
[09:38] <Lathiat> tseng: reading that book, telling me *heaps* of cool stuff
[09:38] <Lathiat> tseng: like acts_as_tree ! :)
[09:38] <tseng> Lathiat: indeed
[09:40] <slomo> Lathiat: which book?
[09:40] <Lathiat> slomo: agile development with rails (ruby on rails book)
[09:48] <sistpoty> argg... what's going on with tiber.tauware.de? (the machine on which revu is running)
[09:51] <slomo> sistpoty:  it's dead :/
[09:51] <sistpoty> obviously...
[10:04] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off for today... cya
[10:05] <bddebian> Lathiat: Still bored? ;-)
[10:08] <bddebian> or slomo or tseng ?
[10:09] <crimsun> (definitely not bored)
[10:09] <slomo> bddebian: nope
[10:10] <bddebian> Damn..  I made a patch for quickplot but it doesn't apply on debian/rules and I cannot figure out why.. :-(
[10:10] <crimsun> depth? fuzz? offset?
[10:10] <crimsun> completely wrong patch? (I've done that before.)
[10:10] <bddebian> Lathiat: BTW, if you come back around.  Are you going to fix savant or should I make a patch?
[10:11] <bddebian> crimsun: Succeeded at 14 with fuzz2
[10:11] <bddebian> FAILED at 31
[10:12] <Lathiat> bddebian: so i built it
[10:12] <Lathiat> any idea how to use it? ;p
[10:12] <bddebian> Lathiat: Use it?  Who uses any of this stuff? ;-)
[10:16] <Lathiat> bddebian: yuh, exacyly :)
[10:16] <Lathiat> like i tried to test some weird package
[10:16] <Lathiat> and i just had no ide awhat to do with it
[10:16] <Lathiat> wanted some file ive never heard of
[10:17] <Lathiat> so i just assumed that its help message means its working ;p
[10:17] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[10:17] <bddebian> "If it builds, it runs" right? ;-P
[10:17] <Lathiat> heh
[10:17] <Lathiat> actuall
[10:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch caught me up on one of those
[10:17] <Lathiat> (where its not true ;p)
[10:18] <bddebian> Uh oh.  I'm already on his list.. ;-)
[10:18] <Lathiat> archer:~> scram
[10:18] <Lathiat> zsh: 19098 exit 255   scram
[10:18] <Lathiat> archer:~>
[10:18] <Lathiat> hmm. :)
[10:18] <Lathiat> so i have to pass it a
[10:18] <Lathiat> VHDL file
[10:18] <Lathiat> haha
[10:18] <Lathiat> "VHDL Obfuscator Example"
[10:19] <bddebian> heh
[10:19] <Lathiat> archer:~> scram test.vhdl
[10:19] <Lathiat> Processing file test.vhdl
[10:19] <Lathiat> Parse complete - no errors.
[10:19] <Lathiat> archer:~>
[10:19] <Lathiat> i uh
[10:19] <Lathiat> guess it works
[10:19] <bddebian> :-)
[10:20] <Lathiat> but
[10:20] <Lathiat> i forgot to increase the verzion
[10:20] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:20] <Lathiat> so i have to reget the source to make a debdiff
[10:21] <Nafallo> Lathiat: apt-proxy *s*
[10:21] <Lathiat> Nafallo: what about it?
[10:21] <Lathiat> oh
[10:21] <Lathiat> heh
[10:21] <Lathiat> i have a local mirror ;p
[10:22] <Nafallo> Lathiat: hehe. then reget is not that bad then ;-)
[10:22] <Lathiat> that said, it doesnt include sources, but at 150K/s i usually don't need to care
[10:22] <Lathiat> i dont bother mirroring sources cus i dont have the disk space
[10:23] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/savant.debdiff
[10:25] <Nafallo> hehe, I had a full mirror except powerpc in the old days ;-)
[10:25] <bddebian> Lathiat: We don't have to make a patch and apply it?
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: do you have upload privs?
[10:28] <bddebian> Lathiat: Nope, I'm not an MOTU yet
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: righto
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: so hand that to someone like ajmitch and ask them to review and upload for you
[10:28] <bddebian> I'm a little scared to be at the rate I'm going :-)
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: feel free to motify the changelog to put your name on it etc ;p
[10:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: what rate? that fix looked perfect to me ;p
[10:28] <bddebian> You already did
[10:29] <Lathiat> nah i mean like your -- Barry <bddebian@woot> or whatever :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> oh and get whitelisted if your going to do that
[10:30] <bddebian> I am whitelisted so I do see those :-)
[10:30] <Lathiat> cool
[10:30] <bddebian> But just to make sure.  Can we patch the source or should we make a patch and apply it in rules?
[10:34] <Lathiat> bddebian: for things like this that dont have a patches/, i tend not to bother because then the fixed become overcomplicated, slamming a patches dir on top etc, the debian package format keeps track of our changes vs the original source for us
[10:34] <Lathiat> and makes more work to merge if we start playing with the rules files, etc
[10:34] <Lathiat> but of personal preference really, but thats my rationale
[10:39] <bddebian> Works for me :-)
[10:39] <bddebian> Baby wants to swing, bbiab
[10:39] <bddebian> Thanks btw Lathiat
[10:39] <Lathiat> nps :)
[10:39] <Lathiat> time to sleep
[11:45] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:45] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me where can I find default values for variables used by autotools in ubuntu?
[11:46] <slomo> marcin_ant: what variables?
[11:46] <marcin_ant> I mean default values for things like sharedstatedir, mandir, libexecdir
[11:46] <marcin_ant> etc
[11:46] <herzi> take a look into a generated Makefile
[11:47] <marcin_ant> ok, but these vaules generated in Makefile are stored somewhere
[11:47] <slomo> marcin_ant: these are collected by configure
[11:48] <marcin_ant> so I would like to know where...
[11:49] <slomo> marcin_ant: when you want to change this values add some parameters to configure
[11:49] <marcin_ant> slomo, and this is why I ask for default values :)
[11:50] <marcin_ant> slomo, if default values are ok then there is no point in setting them
[11:51] <marcin_ant> slomo, and I would like to fetch these values using some .sh script (not makefile)
[11:51] <slomo> marcin_ant: ah... i misunterstood you...
[11:51] <slomo> marcin_ant: what are you trying todo?
[11:51] <marcin_ant> currently I want to create some scripts to generate rules automagically
[11:52] <marcin_ant> a kind of framework or sth like this
[11:52] <slomo> marcin_ant: look at cdbs ;)
[11:52] <marcin_ant> yes I know cdbs but I want to create a bunch of packages with emacs things
[11:53] <marcin_ant> so, propably cdbs are not too usefull for this
[11:53] <slomo> marcin_ant: what kind of emacs things? and when they use autotools cdbs should be the right thing probably...
[11:54] <marcin_ant> slomo, in fact... almost everything for emacs ;)
[11:55] <marcin_ant> slomo, starting with emacs-snapshot and almost all lisp libraries availabe on emacs-lisp-list
[11:56] <slomo> uh... that's really much i think ;) why do you think cdbs isn't what you want? and when most of the stuff is really similar just copy and paste your debian directories and adjust everything ;)
[11:56] <marcin_ant> slomo, apt-getting cdbs
[11:57] <slomo> marcin_ant: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml in case you don't know that yet
[11:58] <marcin_ant> slomo, and yes almost all these packages are simmilar but my question was because the biggest problem is emacs package itself
[11:58] <marcin_ant> because it is pretty complicated and it uses few non-standard directories
[11:59] <marcin_ant> and I just wanted to know what are default values in ubuntu
[11:59] <slomo> marcin_ant: look at the existing emacs package ;)
[11:59] <marcin_ant> in redhat/fedora these defaults are stored in rpm config files...
[12:00] <marcin_ant> slomo, sure I got this package and emacs-snapshot package
[12:00] <shawarma> Question: Some libraries have got "c2" appended to their name.. What does that mean?
[12:01] <slomo> marcin_ant: other than that... look at the debian policies and FHS ;)
[12:01] <marcin_ant> slomo, ehh right