[12:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos: I missed something there at the end 
[12:04] <apokryphos> ztonzy: nothing from me
[12:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos: must been dreaming 8)
[12:11] <chuck> Do someone can help me?
[12:13] <apokryphos> !helpme
[12:13] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[12:13] <ztonzy> :P
[12:13] <chuck> I can't configure my computer to connect by wifi
[12:14] <apokryphos> !wifi
[12:14] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:14] <apokryphos> (though I haven't tried it myself(
[12:15] <chuck> oks..but it doesn't matter if it's a ubuntu forum?
[12:15] <chuck> im using kubuntu
[12:16] <apokryphos> kubuntu = ubunut+kde
[12:16] <apokryphos> s/ubunut/ubuntu
[12:17] <chuck> yes, i know but the interface is different, does it matter with my configuration method?
[12:17] <chuck> my wifi connection need a net key to connect, so i don't know where to put it in kubuntu
[12:18] <chuck> auto wlan0
[12:18] <chuck> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[12:18] <chuck> name Wireless LAN card
[12:18] <chuck> wireless_essid   MYNETWOTK
[12:18] <chuck> wireless_key     FEFEFEFEFE
[12:18] <chuck> wireless_channel 11
[12:18] <chuck> wireless_mode    managed
[12:18] <chuck> can it work?
[12:22] <apokryphos> chuck: please don't flood the channel
[12:23] <chuck> mmm, sorry i just neet some help
[12:23] <chuck> but nobody want to help me
[12:23] <apokryphos> chuck: for non-kde-related questions, #ubuntu is often better
[12:24] <chuck> but im using kubuntu, does is not kde?
[12:24] <apokryphos> chuck: what/
[12:39] <Chris_Note> where is the applet for setting system preferred resolution?
[12:44] <apokryphos> Chris_Note: if it's in xorg.conf, then you can use krandrtray
[12:44] <fromoze> apokryphos: are you using hoary or breezy?
[12:44] <apokryphos> breezy
[12:45] <fromoze> i386?
[12:45] <apokryphos> Unfortunately still, yes. If things had gone well, I'd be on my shiny new amd64 =)
[12:45] <fromoze>  I was wondering about it if became a little usable breezy
[12:46] <fromoze> can you try something for me?
[12:46] <Peaker> Hey, "unrar" fails to unrar a split-archive (.rar,.r00,.r01,...), any idea if it supports such?
[12:46] <Chris_Note> thanks apokryphos
[12:46] <fromoze> can you chan the layour to spanish and try to write accented lettre?
[12:46] <apokryphos> fromoze: it's usable, if you get past the gremlins
[12:46] <fromoze> 
[12:47] <apokryphos> I have no idea how to do any of that, really :)
[12:47] <fromoze> the problem i get last try i do was that i can't write in spanish... that's not usable for me :)
[12:47] <apokryphos> that would be annoying, sure.
[12:47] <Chris_Note> apokryphos: how do i tell the system to use this setup not just at logon, but at xorg start?
[12:48] <apokryphos> Distros tend to handle language issues/translations nearer the end though, no?
[12:48] <apokryphos> Chris_Note: in the kdm manager you mean?
[12:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos: crash again...wonder if has to do with playing kaffeine inside konqueror
[12:48] <Chris_Note> yes
[12:48] <fromoze> finally there're a update notifier on breezy?
[12:48] <apokryphos> Chris_Note: it should ideally use the default value set in xorg.conf, but if it doesn't, then you can always "force" the resolution by only having that one in xorg.conf
[12:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: doubtful. Does it only crash on that/
[12:48] <Chris_Note> apokryphos no i mean how do i set what kdm uses
[12:48] <apokryphos> fromoze: for kde, I haven't noticed one yet, no.
[12:49] <Chris_Note> i do not want to restrict available resolutions
[12:49] <apokryphos> Chris_Note: aka in the kdm manager
[12:49] <Chris_Note> i want to change the default that kdm uses
[12:49] <apokryphos> all said above still applies
[12:49] <ztonzy> apokryphos: not only...first I closed that window...and got to another window and reloaded another site...crash
[12:49] <apokryphos> :(
[12:49] <Chris_Note> no i mean the gui applet for it
[12:50] <apokryphos> krandrtray is a kde gui app; it has no power over kdm, really.
[12:50] <Chris_Note> no i mean the gui for kdm config
[12:50] <Chris_Note> where is it
[12:50] <apokryphos> it doesn't have one
[12:51] <Chris_Note> you have to be kiddingf
[12:51] <apokryphos> only the splash screens/login manager you can alter
[12:51] <apokryphos> er, no, of course it doesn't. It takes the values from your X
[12:52] <apokryphos> "login manager" -- as in, the login manager theme
[12:52] <apokryphos> (i.e. any ones on kdelook.org)
[12:52] <Chris_Note> ugh
[12:52] <Chris_Note> i know about all of that
[12:52] <Tm_T> wwwwaaaaaaaah!
[12:53] <Chris_Note> im talking about the default resolution EVERYTHIng uses,
[12:53] <Chris_Note> s/,/.
[12:54] <apokryphos> Chris_Note: I'm not going to repeat myself; I already told you *exactly* what you're asking
[12:54] <apokryphos> Tm_T: sounds like time for tubby-bybye :P
[12:55] <Tm_T> err?
[12:55] <Tm_T> RRRAAH!
[12:55] <Tm_T> kill it!
[12:55] <Tm_T> f*ing fly is driving me crazy
[12:56] <fatejudger> does anybody here use proftpd?
[12:56] <Tm_T> ?
[12:56] <Tm_T> ftp ?!
[12:56] <fatejudger> I can't seem to figure out how to define specific folders for users
[12:56] <fatejudger> yes, ftp
[12:57] <fatejudger> ftp kicks ass
[12:57] <Tm_T> why ftp!?
[12:57] <Tm_T> why not ssh?
[12:57] <fatejudger> for file transfers
[12:57] <fatejudger> because ssh is for secure transfers
[12:57] <fatejudger> not fast transfers
[12:57] <fatejudger> ftp is faster
[12:57] <fatejudger> and more reliable
[12:57] <Tm_T> not quite
[12:57] <Tm_T> xD
[12:57] <apokryphos> fatejudger: I've had the exact opposite
[12:57] <apokryphos> ftp transfers seem to stall from time-to-time
[12:57] <Chris_Note> where the hell did the thread go
[12:57] <fatejudger> stall?
[12:58] <Chris_Note> wrong window
[12:58] <fatejudger> well how in the hell do you send stuff over SSH?
[12:58] <apokryphos> fatejudger: scp
[12:58] <Tm_T> fatejudger: sftp / scp
[12:58] <apokryphos> fatejudger: though, for GUI I find fish slightly better, too.
[12:58] <fatejudger> ok
[12:59] <fatejudger> apokryphos: fish?
[12:59] <apokryphos> scp /some/file username@somedomain:/home/suthink/public_html/.
[12:59] <apokryphos> fatejudger: a Konqueror Kioslave
[12:59] <apokryphos> fatejudger: fish://username@domain.com
[12:59] <fatejudger> I don't see a package for that
[12:59] <Tm_T> err, ssh in KDE: easy
[12:59] <apokryphos> it comes with Konq
[01:00] <fatejudger> ?
[01:00] <apokryphos> Konqueror
[01:00] <fatejudger> how do I run it then?
[01:00] <apokryphos> it's a KIOslave, so... in Konqueror location bar, put the above
[01:03] <Tm_T> =)
[01:03] <fatejudger> apokryphos: why port does SSH run on?
[01:04] <Tm_T> 22
[01:04] <Tm_T> as default
[01:05] <fatejudger> Tm_T: thanks
[01:06] <Tm_T> np :)
[01:06] <fatejudger> is there a GUI SSH client for Windows?
[01:07] <kogg> hmm... I've got a compaq evo 500 usff, and sucsessfully installed kubuntu from the dvd on it... now, the control center won't allow me to change the resolution to anything higher than 640x480 :/ any suggestions?
[01:07] <kogg> fatejudger: yeah, putty's free
[01:07] <fatejudger> that's not really GUI though
[01:07] <kogg> f-prot's got one... 
[01:07] <kogg> sec and I'll find a url
[01:08] <Tm_T> fatejudger: how about filezilla for example
[01:08] <fatejudger> Tm_T: filezilla has SSH GUI?
[01:08] <Tm_T> for filetransfer
[01:09] <Tm_T> but putty for any other meanings
[01:09] <fatejudger> ok
[01:09] <Tm_T> I don't see why you need GUI but only for filetransfer, so...
[01:10] <fatejudger> yeah
[01:10] <fatejudger> that's what I need it for
[01:10] <Tm_T> then you know what to do ;)
[01:10] <fatejudger> Tm_T: yeah, thanks
[01:11] <Tm_T> just if I can kill that bastard
[01:11] <Tm_T> ...
[01:15] <kogg> anyone got a suggestion to what I can do to cvhange the screen resolution in kubuntu?
[01:16] <kogg> the dropdown list only shows 640x480 :/
[01:16] <Aapzak> lol, everyone inhere has (Real Name) behind his/her nick. Take a look in #gentoo, I'm the only one :)
[01:16] <Aapzak> check your monitor settings in xorg.conf?
[01:17] <Tm_T> Aapzak: what you mean about real name & nick ?
[01:18] <kogg> nop, fresh install - will do that now, as I know where to look ;)
[01:19] <Aapzak> the list is probably based on what is configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config
[01:19] <Aapzak> do you run xorg or xfree ?
[01:19] <Aapzak> Tm_T: yes
[01:19] <Aapzak> Tm_T: probably a Konversation option
[01:19] <Gilrim> whatever's default
[01:20] <Gilrim> the "section screen" lists tons of other resolutions at least..
[01:20] <Gilrim> hash-sign is used for commenting out lines, right?
[01:20] <Tm_T> Aapzak: aah, I set my realname, because I don't afraid to show my real identity
[01:22] <Aapzak> yes, it's funny how many here do that and how little Gentoo people
[01:22] <Aapzak> Gilrim: most of the times, yes
[01:22] <john_> in amarok, it has like 100 copies of each of my songs.  This is really causing lag and freezing, and i dont know how to fix it.  In the folder where my music is it only has one copy of each song though... how do i stop it from doing this or clear out all the copies?
[01:24] <Gilrim> hmm, hwo do I check wherther I'm running xorg og xfree?
[01:24] <Aapzak> john_: dunno about that, I do know amarok does not like lots of files to handle, xmms does that a lot better
[01:24] <Aapzak> Gilrim: let me check ...
[01:25] <Tm_T> Aapzak: it tells something about gentooers ;--P
[01:25] <Aapzak> Tm_T: I'm a Gentooer
[01:25] <Aapzak> :)
[01:25] <Tm_T> yeah, so you know what I'm talking about then ] ;=
[01:27] <Gilrim> Aapzak: hmm... if your a gentooer, maybe you can explain how I can go about getting apache to do mod_rewrite?
[01:27] <Gilrim> my gallery2 installation won't accept it :/
[01:27] <Tm_T> xD
[01:28] <Gilrim> [that's another computer, the web-server that's running gentoo] 
[01:29] <Aapzak> indeed :)
[01:29] <Aapzak> dunno how to check whether X is xorg or xfree
[01:29] <Aapzak> find /etc/X11 |grep conf
[01:29] <Aapzak> Gilrim: you better ask an apacheer that question, I know very little of Apache
[01:29] <Aapzak> I run Apache, I run gallery2, whats the problem?
[01:30] <Tm_T> aaargh!
[01:31] <Tm_T> I hate flies
[01:31] <Gilrim> well, the gallery2 installation is fine, all  in all, but I'm unable of getting mod rewrite working... php_info tell
[01:31] <apokryphos> Tm_T: rm -rf /
[01:31] <Gilrim> 's that it's installed and running
[01:31] <Gilrim> but g2 complains
[01:32] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yeah, that'll kill all flies from my room ] ;=
[01:32] <dabugas> hi
[01:33] <dabugas> i switched to kubuntu from ubuntu. is there any relatively painless way of removing the gnome desktop?
[01:34] <chavo> dabugas, you can keep both if you have the diskspace
[01:34] <dabugas> i know
[01:34] <chavo> you never know whwn you might want to use a certain gnome app or whatever
[01:34] <apokryphos> dabugas: you can remove all gnome stuff if you remove some core-ish gtk stuff
[01:34] <dabugas> but i want to be able to apt-get dist-upgrade and i have a 33.6 dial-up connection :(
[01:34] <apokryphos> dabugas: or to get *only* kubuntu, use debfoster.
[01:35] <chavo> I don't have gnome installed either
[01:35] <Aapzak> Gilrim: dunno what you should do, I dunno about mod_rewrite, you should check the forum
[01:35] <chavo> search synaptic for gnome
[01:35] <chavo> libgnomeui will take almost the whole thing with it
[01:36] <chavo> I've installed the uninstalled it on this box.
[01:36] <dabugas> i'll try this...
[01:36] <dabugas> debfoster also looks useful i didn't know about it
[01:36] <chavo> I kept a few things though
[01:36] <dabugas> in any case, i just want to get rid of gnome not gtk (because of gimp and a cpl of other things)
[01:36] <chavo> and synaptic
[01:37] <chavo> which I prefer to kynaptic
[01:37] <dabugas> i dunno. i just use apt-get and apt-cache
[01:37] <chavo> I also kept gnome-games, I prefer some of them
[01:37] <Aapzak> dabugas: keeping that system up to date on a 33.6 modem will be almost impossible
[01:37] <Aapzak> If you get a firefox update you'll be downloading for hours
[01:37] <Aapzak> I dunno if we can see somewhere what fixes have been released after the last big release?
[01:37] <apokryphos> Tm_T: it complains about you missing lists?
[01:38] <chavo> Man I was on dialup forever. My lines got to the point where my top speed was ~1.6kbps
[01:38] <Aapzak> I have big lagg here
[01:38] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yes
[01:38] <dabugas> not really. firefox is only 8-9 MBs which is like 40 minutes
[01:38] <chavo> Still no cable or DSL where I'm at.
[01:38] <apokryphos> Tm_T: what exactly is the error message?
[01:38] <chavo> I have evdo from Verizon
[01:38] <apokryphos> never heard of that
[01:39] <Tm_T> apokryphos: I know what problem is, apt-get update will fix it, but I can't do it right now
[01:41] <chavo> well good luck dabugas
[01:41] <dabugas> the alternative was studying so i took the lesser of two evils :->
[01:41] <Aapzak> gtg sleep, cu around ...
[01:43] <Tm_T> apokryphos: I can't get package lists because that pc doesn't have internet connection :/
[01:43] <Tm_T> so it's whining about them =)
[01:44] <apokryphos> Yah, figured.
[01:44] <Tm_T> irritating
[01:44] <Tm_T> I know there's tons of cool updates, but I can't get em
[01:45] <dabugas> along with gnomeui i also remove gdm (which is fine), how do i set up kdm as the default?
[01:45] <Tm_T> if there's no gdm, kdm is default(?)
[01:45] <chavo> dabugas, it should do it automatically
[01:45] <apokryphos> dabugas: ...if it doesn't: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:45] <nikkia> gah, my eyes are going funny
[01:46] <dabugas> i did dpkg-reconfigure kdm  but i get a "fail," prolly because gdm is still running as a procces?
[01:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: turn the flashy image soff ;-)
[01:46] <Tm_T> nikkia: it's just me, don't be afraid
[01:46] <apokryphos> dabugas: is kdm installed?
[01:46] <dabugas> yeah
[01:47] <apokryphos> you should be able to switch to make it default anyhow
[01:47] <apokryphos> nevermind; it will use it as default
[01:47] <dabugas> * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail] 
[01:47] <dabugas> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[01:47] <dabugas> (sorry for minor flood)
[01:47] <apokryphos> try re-doing when you're out of X, i gues
[01:47] <apokryphos> though if gdm doesn't exist, I'm quite sure it'll use kdm
[01:47] <dabugas> not that worried :) just wonderin'
[01:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: its trying to read all this technical junk :P
[02:01] <dabugas> ok, so gnome is more or less out
[02:01] <dabugas> how can i remove x programs that duplicate kde ones, for example xcalc?
[02:05] <Tm_T> just apt-get remove foo
[02:05] <Tm_T> as usual
[02:06] <dabugas> i was thinking of a more massive approach
[02:07] <dabugas> although i'm being a little stingy here :)
[02:08] <Tm_T> dabugas: then you can always use | to get more stuff in line ;p
[02:09] <dabugas> hehehe
[02:10] <Tm_T> like apt-cache search stuff | grep stuff | apt-get remove %s (or what it was)
[02:11] <dabugas> i'm asking for it, i know. i'm using debfoster now. i think this will break up my system just a little bit slower :)
[02:12] <Tm_T> haha
[02:16] <dabugas> is there any way to dist-upgrade only the important priority packages?
[02:17] <gdh> define 'important' 
[02:17] <gdh> if you can define the packages you actually want, just do update then apt-get install package1 package2 ....
[02:18] <gdh> (I agree it would be more logical to enter apt-get upgrade package1 package2....)
[02:18] <dabugas> definition: well, packages have priority (if you apt-cache show adduser, for example you see that he has priority: important, not optional)
[02:19] <gdh> that sounds like it'd be a job for dpkg, grep , awk, sed and bash :)
[02:19] <gdh> I guess you're on dialup or something equally slow and evil/
[02:19] <gdh> ?
[02:19] <dabugas> not evil, exactly. but definately satanic.
[02:20] <dabugas> 33.6 modem
[02:20] <dabugas> not good enough for evil.
[02:20] <gdh> pain.
[02:20] <dabugas> thank god i got somebody to d/l the latest kubuntu
[02:35] <dabugas> funny: debfoster asked me if i wanted to keep debfoster...
[02:39] <frogtone25> i need help with something
[02:39] <calilasseia> Hello ...
[02:40] <frogtone25> when i play my movies on here i cant see a picture
[02:40] <frogtone25> but i can hear the sound
[02:40] <frogtone25> i have all my codecs 
[02:40] <frogtone25> but i dont know whats wrong
[02:40] <calilasseia> Quick introduction ... I've just installed Kubuntu... and I'mcompletely new to this ....
[02:41] <calilasseia> Anyone who can help .... couple of things need sorting ...
[02:41] <frogtone25> so can anyone help me out
[02:41] <gdh> frogtone25: Do you have w32codecs from marillat installed?
[02:41] <frogtone25> yeah
[02:41] <gdh> frogtone25: Ah well, that's the only useful advice I have on the matter :/
[02:41] <frogtone25> its in a win32 folder in my /usr/lib part
[02:41] <frogtone25> well how do you delete them
[02:42] <frogtone25> so i can reinstall them
[02:42] <gdh> apt-get --purge remove w32codecs ?
[02:42] <frogtone25> ok
[02:42] <calilasseia> First of all I've just downloaded the Firefox installer tar.gz ...
[02:43] <calilasseia> Thing is, I need to know how to install it in such a way that multiple users on the system can run it ...
[02:43] <calilasseia> I take it this means intalling it as root ...
[02:43] <gdh> calilasseia: whoo let me stop you there - no need.. firefox is already packaged (along with thousands of other software packages)
[02:43] <gdh> no need to use tarballs
[02:43] <calilasseia> Right ... so where do I get the package?
[02:43] <gdh> calilasseia: go to the K menu -> System -> Kynaptic
[02:43] <gdh> mozilla-firefox should be listed there
[02:44] <calilasseia> Right ...
[02:44] <gdh> if not, browse to /etc/apt and right click on sources.list.. then Actions -> Edit as root
[02:44] <gdh> type /your/ password in, and remove the # from the start ofthe "universe" line
[02:44] <gdh> then run kynaptic again, and press the Update button - that will show you /lots/ more packages
[02:45] <libben> one Q, when u install kubuntu ? are you able to choose what to get ? i used ubuntu eaerlier and got alot of things that i dident want.
[02:45] <calilasseia> Right ... Kynaptic is up and running ...
[02:45] <gdh> libben: the default install will install packages that are useful for most people, in order to minimise the number of questions required to install (to make the install easier)
[02:45] <gdh> libben: If you are concerned about disk space, simply remove unwanted packages afterwards
[02:46] <calilasseia> I've got something called mozilla-firefox-en-gb or similar ... since I'm UK based I take it that's the one I want ...
[02:46] <gdh> calilasseia: Yeh, that'll drag in any dependencies needed including FF itself
[02:46] <libben> no thats not a problem...  im just a phreak on having it clean and light
[02:46] <calilasseia> So I just double click on it ???
[02:46] <libben> they should make it with a sub menu to choose what to get.
[02:46] <libben> then it would be even more great =)
[02:47] <calilasseia> Oh to save typing just abbreviate me to "Cali" ... everyone else on bulletin boards does :)
[02:47] <libben> anyway, i just wanted to hear if kubuntu implemented such a thing for it? cause i understand that kubuntu is exactly the same, just that it uses kde instead of gnome.
[02:47] <calilasseia> There's a long history behind the name choice I won't bore you with here :)
[02:47] <gdh> libben: You heard right :)
[02:48] <gdh> calilasseia: Any decent IRC client (including Konversation) supports tab completion.. I just type "cal" and press TAB.. andit completes your nickname and adds a colon + a space
[02:48] <libben> I liked ubuntu, but i want it wit kde. but i dont want the fuzz.... but i want the autoupdating thing and all that.
[02:49] <calilasseia> Wow ... something else to make me ditch Windows ...
[02:49] <libben> im thinking of doing simple debian install and add kde and the things i want.
[02:49] <gdh> libben: There is no 'auto update manager' system tray icon for KDE like there is for GNOME (the windows update-style thing)
[02:49] <libben> k, so what u have then? =)
[02:49] <gdh> libben: At present there's Kynaptic, a very simplistic version of 'Synaptic'
[02:49] <calilasseia> So I just double click on the package name and it installs automatically?
[02:50] <gdh> Adept may be the new manager in breezy... see the topic for more info
[02:50] <libben> Synaptic is only gnome based ?
[02:50] <dabugas> libben: gtk-based. you can use it without gnome.
[02:50] <gdh> libben: well, it's just a GTK app, but generally yeh
[02:50] <gdh> same as you can run KDE (Qt) apps on GNOME...
[02:50] <gdh> they just break the 'look-and-feel'
[02:50] <libben> so why isnt synaptic in kubuntu then?
[02:51] <gdh> libben: Why isn't Konversation in GNOME? :)
[02:51] <gdh> etc. etc.
[02:51] <libben> =)
[02:51] <libben> but isnt synaptic better app?
[02:51] <libben> in ur own oppinion?
[02:51] <gdh> neither are better than Konsole, IMO :)
[02:52] <libben> true. im console lover to...  but sometimes its more easy for the eyes to find what ure looking for in a gui
[02:52] <gdh> Kynaptic does a simple job reasonably well.
[02:52] <gdh> Realistically it only needs a 'add universe + multiverse' option.
[02:52] <gdh> and likely 'add marillat' ...
[02:53] <libben> so whats the deal with kubuntu then? why not just run debian and install kde and the things u want?
[02:53] <calilasseia> I just selected "Reinstall" then "Commit Marked Changes" ...
[02:53] <gdh> Ubuntu releases every six months.
[02:53] <gdh> hardware support is more timely
[02:53] <calilasseia> Don't see anything happening ...
[02:54] <gdh> desktop integration is much tighter
[02:54] <libben> is this the same for kubuntu?
[02:54] <gdh> libben: Kubuntu *IS* Ubuntu, just a different set of default packages
[02:54] <calilasseia> I gathered that from the website ... same kernel and base level apps, just a different desktop ...
[02:55] <libben> yeah... i know that. but u miss autoupdate, u miss ff, and so on... its not that its kde instead of gnome... its more diffrent than u first think
[02:55] <gdh> autoupdate is a small omission. FF is mostly unnecessary with Konqueror
[02:55] <calilasseia> Well thus far it's installed beautifully ... and found my net connection in an instant when Windows dismally failed to do so 
[02:56] <libben> well, manys favorite chocis is ff. and konqueror is big also
[02:56] <gdh> KDE is big - a desktop environment is big by nature :)
[02:56] <calilasseia> Thing is though I'm a Firefox fan too, and I don't know how to integrate Macromedia Flash with Konqueror ...
[02:56] <gdh> GNOME is bigger in my experience.. <shrug>
[02:56] <calilasseia> Whichis another reason why I'm trying to install Firefox ...
[02:56] <gdh> calilasseia: you need the 'multiverse' repository
[02:57] <libben> apt-get install firefox
[02:57] <gdh> for the flashplayer-mozilla package
[02:57] <calilasseia> Wonderful, another nice steep learning curve ...
[02:57] <gdh> calilasseia: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:58] <gdh> most of this carries through to Kubuntu
[02:58] <calilasseia> Taking a look now ...
[02:58] <libben> i know that ubuntu is updated every 6 months. but that is also autoupdating... how is it for kubuntu? u gotta check for urself all the time?
[02:59] <gdh> libben: Correct. hoary was the first Kubuntu release. there is still much work to do.
[02:59] <libben> so ubuntu is more updated the kubuntu today?
[02:59] <libben> +n
 no. the official release for both is 5.04 - they release at the same time
[03:00] <gdh> 5.10 in October will also happen simultaneously for Kub and Ub
[03:00] <libben> but the update will work how for kubuntu?
[03:00] <gdh> via kynaptic I expect
[03:01] <libben> manually by console or the simplier gui
[03:01] <gdh> since it's only a frontend to 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[03:01] <gdh> in the same way that synaptic + the GNOME 'update manager' are
[03:01] <libben> yeah...
[03:01] <libben> hmm.. 
[03:02] <libben> I want the mac feel. the menu at bottom wich gets magnified a bit when scrolled over... but im told that kde is more nice then gnome... ive used ubuntu over a month with gnome... and it was ok.. but i missed something.
[03:02] <libben> the feeling wasnt really right
[03:02] <calilasseia> Hmm ... so I've got to dive in and edit lots of text files then issue commands in a console window ???
[03:03] <calilasseia> Going to take longer than I thought ...
[03:03] <libben> calilasseia just in the beggning
[03:03] <gdh> calilasseia: Like we said, Kynaptic is a basic app. Synaptic does all that in menus...
[03:03] <gdh> feel free to install it .. from Kynaptic :)
[03:03] <libben> after a while... ur getting understanding linux.
[03:03] <calilasseia> Ah right ...
[03:03] <calilasseia> Had a feeling something would crop up to make my life difficult :)
[03:03] <libben> apt-get install Synaptic
[03:03] <gdh> libben: Buy a Mac, in that case. :) don't dress up mutton as lamb..
[03:04] <gdh> lower case 's' - all case-sensitive
[03:04] <calilasseia> Hang on let's give this a try ...
[03:04] <libben> better check what really to type, apt-cache search synaptic | grep synaptic
[03:05] <libben> gdh never =)
[03:05] <gdh> right,it's time for bed :)
[03:05] <gdh> nna
[03:05] <libben> mac is shite. but ive allways fancy the menu
[03:05] <calilasseia> Ah, dear old "man" ... something familiar :)
[03:06] <libben> nn
[03:06] <libben> ZzzZz
[03:08] <calilasseia> Well that was fun ...
[03:08] <calilasseia> apt-get returned a message saying it couldn't lock one of the directories it needed ... and asked if another process was using it ...
[03:10] <calilasseia> Cured that ... now it says it's already installed ...
[03:10] <calilasseia> Whee ...
[03:10] <calilasseia> Now the next question is how do I tell KDE that it's there and add it to the menus?
[03:11] <calilasseia> Looks like this is going to be a ***long*** night ....
[03:11] <libben> try to start teh program first
[03:11] <libben> calilasseia whats ur time now ?
[03:11] <libben> dont be up all nite about it..
[03:12] <calilasseia> Hre in the UK it's 02:11 BST ...
[03:12] <libben> allways better to get some sleep and start over earlier
[03:12] <libben> get some sleep then
[03:12] <libben> and fight again tomorow
[03:12] <dabugas> in greece it's 4:14
[03:12] <dabugas> :(
[03:13] <calilasseia> I've just spent two hours converting my machine to dual boot ... I can get Windows running but ti won't reinstall my broadband ... Kubuntu found my net connection in in instant but installing packages is another steep learning curve ...
[03:13] <calilasseia> Sometimes I ***really*** hate computers LOL
[03:13] <libben> no no ...
[03:14] <libben> get some sleep
[03:14] <calilasseia> OK ... my sytem says Firefox is installed ... but KDE doesn't seem to know anything about it ...
[03:15] <dabugas> calilasseia: why are you having problems installed packages?
[03:15] <calilasseia> Because I'm completely new to this game ...
[03:15] <dabugas> by which you mean it's not in the menu -> internet -> firefox ?
[03:16] <calilasseia> Nope ... all I've got in my menus are all the standard KDE apps ...
[03:16] <calilasseia> OS has only been live about 40 minutes ...
[03:16] <libben> sleep sleep sleep
[03:17] <libben> i know its hard =)
[03:17] <dabugas> calilasseia: can you run it from the terminal by typing "mozilla-firefox" ?
[03:17] <libben> calilasseia type apt-get install tux-racer
[03:17] <libben> =)
[03:17] <calilasseia> Oh ... you mean run Konsole and type it in there ???
[03:17] <libben> the type tux-racer in console and play some =)
[03:17] <libben> then
[03:18] <libben> get some sleep =)
[03:18] <calilasseia> Give that a try, hang on ...
[03:18] <libben> whats the game called that is like giana sisters or "mario"
[03:18] <calilasseia> Command not found ....
[03:18] <libben> maybe that was tux-racer =)
[03:19] <calilasseia> Sod games, I want to get Firefox up and running ...
[03:19] <libben> type apt-cache search game | grep racer
[03:19] <libben> =)
[03:19] <libben> installed the synaptic yet?
[03:19] <calilasseia> Oh God this is getting too much ... I'll go to bed ...
[03:20] <libben> just one last Q
[03:20] <dabugas> calilasseia: try typing in the console sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox. what does it say then?
[03:20] <libben> synaptic
[03:20] <libben> installed that?
[03:20] <libben> its gonna prompt for password..
[03:20] <libben> wich will be your user password
[03:21] <libben> btw... i need some sleep too
[03:21] <libben> nite
[03:21] <calilasseia> It seems to be doing something ... masses of text flashed past at light speed ...
[03:22] <dabugas> really?
[03:22] <dabugas> cool.
[03:22] <dabugas> :)
[03:22] <calilasseia> It seems to be installing ...
[03:23] <dabugas> send me the last few lines of text in a priv
[03:23] <calilasseia> How do I do that?
[03:24] <calilasseia> I've copied the text ...
[03:24] <dabugas> well, unfortunately i jsut realized that unregistered users can't send private messages
[03:25] <dabugas> in any case. if you've got a line like this: Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main mozilla-firefox 1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1 [8801kB] 
[03:25] <calilasseia> Right ... so how do I become a registered user?
[03:25] <dabugas> everything is fine
[03:25] <dabugas> i dunno.
[03:25] <calilasseia> Oh I got lines like those ... and percentage counters ... and web addresses from which data seems to be being downloaded ...
[03:26] <dabugas> ok, then it's working. you're fine. when it's finished you'll have mozilla-firefox installed
[03:26] <calilasseia> And what's more it seems to be downloading pretty fast ...
[03:26] <calilasseia> I'm on to "Get 16"or thereabouts ...
[03:27] <dabugas> great. now i'm firefox-less, too so i'll begin that. unfortunately i'm on dial-up and i'll be lagging heavily
[03:28] <calilasseia> Pity they don't supply it on the CD ...
[03:29] <calilasseia> Once that's done, next step is plug in Flash ... sigh ...
[03:29] <calilasseia> Meanwhile, I think my catfish are spawning ...
[03:31] <dabugas> actually the next step is sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, which allows firefox and other Gtk apps (which are not programmed in Qt--the toolkit that KDE uses) to look like your other KDE programs
[03:31] <calilasseia> The last bit of text in the console said ...
[03:32] <dabugas> while you are waiting for the download you can fiddle with your desktop using the Control Center.
[03:32] <calilasseia> > Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[03:32] <calilasseia> > Updating the gdk-pixbuf loaders list for GTK+-2.4.0...done.
[03:33] <calilasseia> Does that mean that KDE will now see it or not???
[03:34] <calilasseia> Oh and in case you're wondering, there's a tropical aquarium beside me as I'm doing all this ... and my Corydoras panda are spawning :)
[03:34] <dabugas> well, go to the menu and find out
[03:34] <calilasseia> YES!!!!It's there!!!!
[03:35] <calilasseia> Now I can try and install Flash too ...
[03:35] <dabugas> the package is: libflash-mozplugin
[03:37] <calilasseia> Can't find it in Kynaptic ...
[03:38] <dabugas> it's in the universe repository. have you added that?
[03:38] <calilasseia> Oh well, I'll get a bite toi eat, then head for bed ...
[03:38] <calilasseia> Oh ...
[03:38] <calilasseia> hang on ...
[03:39] <calilasseia> Hmm.... don't seem to have that ...
[03:39] <dabugas> well that's it, then
[03:40] <ToyMan> wondering if someone could help me with my compiler confusion....
[03:40] <calilasseia> Hang on, looking up the man entry for apt-get ...
[03:40] <dabugas> i don't know kynaptic, so i can't tell you how to add repositories
[03:41] <ToyMan> I have gcc-3.3-base / gcc-3.4 / gcc-3.4 base and gcc-4.0 base installed
[03:41] <dabugas> you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list 
[03:41] <dabugas> that's where the reps are
[03:41] <dabugas> and then you just apt-get update
[03:41] <ToyMan> but when I try to compile anything I get "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:41] <calilasseia> OK, trying that ...
[03:42] <ToyMan> so I went in to bash_profiles and edited my path to include /usr/lib/gcc, where the compiler seems to be residing...
[03:43] <ToyMan> and I keep getting the same error msg...
[03:43] <ToyMan> doesn't kubuntu have a compiler installed by default?
[03:44] <dabugas> ToyMan: i don't know anything about this personally, but try asking in #ubuntu as this channel caters more to the kde side of things
[03:45] <calilasseia> OK, edited the apt sources file ...
[03:45] <calilasseia> Trying again ...
[03:45] <dabugas> i think it does, but from what i've noticed here the discussions here tend to be kde-ish as the base system is identical to ubuntu.
[03:45] <ToyMan> well, compiling isn't specific to either, but I'll try there too...
[03:49] <calilasseia> Installation looks as if it's worked ... now to test it!!!
[03:50] <calilasseia> Bugger ... Firefox shut down ...
[03:52] <dabugas> it was working before right?
[03:52] <dabugas> i mean firefox
[03:52] <calilasseia> Firefox works ... but if I access a page with Flash content it seems to die ...
[03:53] <dabugas> hmmm, try uninstalling the flash package (apt-get remove whatever-its-called) and going into a page with flash and downloading it from the missing plugins bar at the top
[03:54] <chavo> I had a problem with flash in konqueror also.
[03:54] <chavo> I installed the one from macromedia site and it works fine
[03:55] <calilasseia> I need to eat ... and sleep ...
[03:55] <calilasseia> I'll return to this some other time :)
[03:55] <calilasseia> Thanks for your help everyone ...
[03:55] <dabugas> cheers, g'night
[03:55] <dabugas> i'm off, too
[03:55] <calilasseia> Have fun everyone ...
[03:56] <calilasseia> *** Exits stage left ***
[04:08] <mushtaq> hi how to set X as default logon in kubuntu
[04:12] <Spudchat> does anyone ever leave their laptop running overnight and come back to it and are unable to awaken it?
[04:26] <mrdeath> hello all
[04:26] <mrdeath> is there a usable kaghira package for breezy?
[04:26] <mrdeath> kwin-baghira containts only window decoration
[04:27] <mrdeath> no style and kicker applet
[04:27] <mrdeath> :(
[04:28] <mrdeath> baghira, sorry
[04:28] <radis> sorry, I don't use breezy
[04:29] <Moopere> i got breezy running here - wassup?
[04:30] <mrdeath> Moopere: it seems that kwin-baghira is broken there
[04:30] <mrdeath> package
[04:31] <mrdeath> also this package is really old a little :(
[04:31] <Moopere> oh right - I've never used it.  When you say broken do you mean bugs - or the package won't install at all?
[04:32] <mrdeath> Moopere: package don't contains some files
[04:32] <Moopere> let me check, wait 1
[04:32] <mrdeath> a style library and an applet
[04:34] <froggy25> does anybody know what to put into terminal to get the dma cut on so i can watch dvd movies on here
[04:34] <froggy25> its hdparm something
[04:34] <_root_symex> tem algum brasileiro ai
[04:35] <sml12> when is an updated iso of kubuntu going to be released? are there daily iso builds?
[04:35] <mrdeath> froggy25: you want to disable DMA or what?
[04:35] <froggy25> no
[04:35] <froggy25> enable it
[04:35] <froggy25> its disabled right now
[04:35] <mrdeath> hdparm -d1 /dev/your_device
[04:35] <froggy25> as root or user
[04:35] <mrdeath> as root sure
[04:35] <Moopere> mrdeath: I got baghira here.  Theres no style, but there seems to be window decorations
[04:37] <Moopere> mrdeath: Actually, perhaps I'm wrong - seems to show a 'baghira' entry in the widgets list, but nothing changes if I select it
[04:37] <mrdeath> Moopere: i found an error. 
[04:37] <froggy25> you have to configure baghira 
[04:37] <froggy25> its not automatic
[04:38] <froggy25> i just did it
[04:38] <sml12> is there a location for updated kubuntu iso builds?
[04:38] <mrdeath> froggy25: using which command?
[04:38] <froggy25> no command
[04:38] <mrdeath> pdkg-reconfigure?
[04:38] <chavo> sml12, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:38] <froggy25> just go into kde control center
[04:38] <Moopere> I should really start submitting bug reports for breezy kubuntu - theres a lot still broken, and only a month to go
[04:38] <froggy25> and hit style
[04:39] <froggy25> select baghira
[04:39] <chavo> but breezy is probably broken right now
[04:39] <froggy25> and click on configure
[04:39] <sml12> cool .. i'll check it out
[04:39] <Moopere> I dont get a listing of baghira under style
[04:39] <mrdeath> froggy25: are you using breezy? 
[04:39] <froggy25> no
[04:39] <froggy25> hoary
[04:39] <Moopere> baghira under breezy appears to be broken
[04:39] <froggy25> you have breezy
[04:40] <mrdeath> the problem appear only in breezy
[04:40] <Moopere> which is cool - but we should be puttingin big reports
[04:40] <mrdeath> Moopere: i will write a bugreport now
[04:40] <froggy25> did you install baghire using synaptic
[04:40] <sml12> chavo .... great :)  .. now I have to toss up between the age old question .. ubuntu v kubuntu !  hehe
[04:40] <froggy25> or did it come with breezy
[04:40] <mrdeath> froggy25: i use apt-get alwlays
[04:40] <froggy25> ok
[04:40] <froggy25> try window decorations
[04:41] <froggy25> under control panel
[04:41] <chavo> Well, I prefer KDE so there's no question for me.
[04:41] <froggy25> click on appearance
[04:41] <mrdeath> froggy25: they works fine. but there is no styles available
[04:41] <froggy25> thats odd
[04:41] <froggy25> hold on
[04:42] <froggy25> so baghira isnt in the widget style list 
[04:43] <mrdeath> froggy25: the problem is that baghira .so built with gcc 3.4, but qt was built with gcc 4.x
[04:44] <mrdeath> i'm writting a bug report now
[04:45] <amgat> hi all. when I enter kuser, and try to modify permissions, i get the error message : kuser crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEV). This also happen sometimes with Konqueror. However - I have just set up another PC, and are experiencing the same problems there. Anyone else have this problem?
[04:46] <amgat> i am running the kubuntu distro
[04:54] <mrdeath> sent
[04:59] <Rafae_Brasil> good night
[05:00] <Rafae_Brasil> does somebody installed the moodin package for kde?
[05:02] <Moopere> moodin - no, its not available from multi/universe is it?  Where would I find the package?
[05:15] <mrdeath> Moopere: are you a ubuntu mantainer?
[05:15] <Moopere> no, not me
[05:16] <mrdeath> if i want to put a package to ubuntu repository, can i write an email to someone?
[05:16] <Moopere> I should get involved in serious testing though - Kubuntu needs to have a lot of its rough edges fixed
[05:17] <Moopere> yes, I think you would write to someone like riddell
[05:17] <Moopere> or one of the so called MOTU (masters of the universe)
[05:17] <mrdeath> oh
[05:17] <mrdeath> okay.
[05:18] <mrdeath> i want to make a package of ktranslator for ubuntu
[05:18] <Moopere> yep, good.  I think the more quality software thats ported the better
[05:19] <Moopere> A lot of the stuff we Kubuntuers have now is partially or totally broken though - its a testing/maintaining thing I suppose
[05:20] <mrdeath> yep. i saw :(
[05:20] <Moopere> anyone here know what version of KDE is going to ship with breezy?  Looks like it might be 3.4.2?
[05:20] <mrdeath> yes
[05:20] <mrdeath> 3.4.2
[05:20] <Moopere> I guess if we're in feature freeze now, then we're going to get a slightly fixed vesion of whats now available
[05:22] <Moopere> righto - must go a do something useful - ciao to all
[05:22] <mrdeath> i plan to take part in bugfixing soon.
[05:22] <mrdeath> i will have some free time soon 
[05:23] <RabbitEars> what a good free dvd authoring software for linux 
[07:35] <arcanistherogue> hey, how do i access my linux drives from windows?
[07:36] <frank23> there is a ext3 driver for windows but I don't know the name
[07:36] <arcanistherogue> see, i use linux for everything but gaming, and now im playing Battle Field Vietnam and want to use my music
[07:36] <arcanistherogue> damn
[07:36] <frank23> either that or have a fat32 partition
[07:36] <arcanistherogue> this is much more complex than linux, its so much easier the way the drives are organized...
[07:36] <arcanistherogue> i have an ntfs one O-o
[07:37] <frank23> well google for a ext3 driver for windows
[07:38] <arcanistherogue> thanks, i just found one
[07:38] <arcanistherogue> ext2ifs
[07:39] <arcanistherogue> well, ima play BF:V now
[07:39] <arcanistherogue> good night
[09:04] <icheyne> hi all
[09:04] <icheyne> basic linux questions
[09:04] <icheyne> how do I delete a folder in the root?
[09:04] <kalenedrael> rm
[09:04] <kalenedrael> er
[09:04] <icheyne> rm -d does not work
[09:04] <kalenedrael> rm -r
[09:04] <kalenedrael> r for recursive
[09:05] <icheyne> neither work
[09:05] <kalenedrael> ...
[09:05] <kalenedrael> rm -rf
[09:05] <kalenedrael> define 'not work'
[09:05] <icheyne> rm: cannot remove `/bridgetoofar/': Is a directory
[09:05] <kalenedrael> ...
[09:05] <icheyne> I'll try -rf
[09:05] <kalenedrael> if that doesn't work, be root
[09:05] <icheyne> rm: cannot remove directory `/bridgetoofar/': Permission denied
[09:06] <kalenedrael> be root
[09:06] <icheyne> that was with -rf
[09:06] <kalenedrael> be root
[09:06] <icheyne> it's the same as root
[09:06] <kalenedrael> ....
[09:06] <icheyne> weird
[09:06] <kalenedrael> ls -l
[09:06] <icheyne> ok
[09:06] <icheyne> can I paste here?
[09:06] <kalenedrael> see what the permissions are
[09:06] <kalenedrael> yeah, if it's like one line
[09:06] <icheyne> thx
[09:06] <icheyne> hang on
[09:06] <kalenedrael> (which it should be)
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root  2192 2005-08-27 01:22 bin
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    3 root root   264 2005-08-27 01:22 boot
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxrwxrwx    2 root root    48 2005-09-04 07:50 bridgetoofar
[09:07] <icheyne> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root root    11 2005-08-27 01:14 cdrom -> media/cdrom
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   11 root root 15000 2005-09-04 07:52 dev
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x  105 root root  5768 2005-09-03 22:00 etc
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    4 root root    96 2005-08-27 10:15 home
[09:07] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root    48 2005-08-27 01:15 initrd
[09:07] <icheyne> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root root    28 2005-08-27 01:17 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   15 root root  4312 2005-08-29 18:40 lib
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    8 root root   304 2005-09-03 19:21 media
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root    48 2005-03-11 11:08 mnt
[09:08] <kalenedrael> whoa, that's too long
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root    48 2005-08-27 01:15 opt
[09:08] <kalenedrael> umm
[09:08] <icheyne> dr-xr-xr-x  116 root root     0 2005-09-03 20:15 proc
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   14 root root   680 2005-09-04 07:45 root
[09:08] <kalenedrael> that's way more than one line...
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root  5512 2005-08-27 08:59 sbin
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x    2 root root    48 2005-08-27 01:15 srv
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   10 root root     0 2005-09-03 20:15 sys
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxrwxrwt   18 root root   704 2005-09-04 07:59 tmp
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   12 root root   336 2005-08-27 08:34 usr
[09:08] <icheyne> drwxr-xr-x   14 root root   336 2005-08-27 00:31 var
[09:08] <icheyne> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root root    25 2005-08-27 01:17 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386
[09:08] <icheyne> oh dear
[09:08] <icheyne> sorry
[09:09] <icheyne> :(
[09:09] <icheyne> should have just taken that line
[09:09] <kalenedrael> that's ok... don't do it again though :)
[09:09] <icheyne> d'oh
[09:09] <kalenedrael> anyway
[09:09] <icheyne> drwxrwxrwx    2 root root    48 2005-09-04 07:50 bridgetoofar
[09:09] <icheyne> sorry
[09:09] <icheyne> it's the last one
[09:09] <icheyne> I enabled everything
[09:09] <icheyne> bridgetoofar
[09:09] <icheyne> drwxrwxrwx
[09:09] <icheyne> I won't!
[09:09] <kalenedrael> you're root
[09:09] <kalenedrael> hmm
[09:09] <kalenedrael> odd
[09:09] <icheyne> yes
[09:09] <kalenedrael> see if there's anything in bridgetoofar that has incorrect permissions
[09:09] <kalenedrael> i.e. won't let you write
[09:10] <icheyne> good thinking
[09:10] <icheyne> hang on
[09:10] <icheyne> it's empty
[09:10] <icheyne> :(
[09:10] <kalenedrael> O.o
[09:10] <kalenedrael> use 'ls -a'
[09:10] <icheyne> even when showing hidden files
[09:10] <kalenedrael> ok
[09:10] <kalenedrael> hmm...
[09:11] <kalenedrael> that is very strange
[09:11] <icheyne> no joke
[09:11] <icheyne> well it's not the end of the world
[09:11] <icheyne> I might try again later
[09:11] <icheyne> :)
[09:11] <icheyne> when everyone is awake
[09:11] <icheyne> very frustrating
[09:12] <icheyne> thanks kalenedrael 
[09:12] <kalenedrael> heh
[09:12] <kalenedrael> no problem
[09:12] <icheyne> see you later
[09:12] <icheyne> :)
[09:26] <spiral> hi
[09:33] <ztonzy> morning (for europeans)
[09:49] <r1kzun> sorry, i need help, my "numblock" make nothing
[09:49] <r1kzun> i cant activate it
[09:49] <r1kzun> :s
[09:53] <r1kzun> hello?
[10:13] <chakie> what could cause fonts the look like this: http://www.smultron.net/tmp/fonts.png
[10:13] <chakie> or is it an effect?
[10:13] <chakie> seen on this page: http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[10:18] <chakie> the css specifies some weirdish fonts: "body { font-family: "Gentium", "URW Palladio L", "URW Nimbus Roman No9 L", serif;"
[10:59] <GNAM> what about kubuntu-breezy betas?
[01:28] <KWizzard> hi there
[01:31] <OculusAquilae> hi KWizzard
[01:44] <Juz_visiting> can some one give me a ftp site for seeing the packages in hoary, I don't want the iso, I want to browse the actual packages, trying to help a friend find the kernel headers
[01:44] <Nalioth> Juz_visiting: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:45] <Juz_visiting> tu
[01:46] <Juz_visiting> which is the new one hoary or warty?
[01:46] <Juz_visiting> he said he had "updated" to the latest release
[01:47] <Nalioth> hoary is newest. breezy badger will be release next month
[01:51] <ilba7r> any one use fluxbox
[02:00] <spiral> hi
[02:05] <snoogert> hi, when i try to compile grub under amd64, i've got this error: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"....
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are you compiling grub?
[02:08] <snoogert> i've modify it...
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> right...
[02:10] <jpatrick> that's odd...
[02:10] <snoogert> but i've got that error... :(
[02:11] <jpatrick> can't you reinstall via apt?
[02:12] <snoogert> yes, i can but i need to recompile it, because i've modified it
[02:13] <jpatrick> :/
[02:15] <Juz_visiting> tnx folks .. maybe that will help him out with his packages ..
[02:35] <mushtaq> hi is there are software to grab a moving cursor i mean to convert mouse movement to flash or something else
[02:36] <ilba7r> !vlc
[02:36] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ilba7r
[02:36] <ilba7r> !info vlc
[02:36] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[02:38] <edulix> hi !
[02:38] <mushtaq> ubotu, will it capture the video ? 
[02:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, mushtaq
[02:38] <edulix> anyone with kaffeine 0.7 ?
[02:38] <edulix> I still have only 0.6 in my sources..
[02:38] <mushtaq> sorry ubotu i thought you were telling me :d
[03:13] <libben> i wanna install kubuntu, and do network install... doable
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be
[03:15] <libben> also, whats the pros and cons with installing debian and getting kde installed manually or use kubuntu? 
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Debian and Kubuntu will feel very different i expect
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> or do you mean Ubuntu and install Kubuntu on that?
[03:17] <libben> no
[03:17] <libben> i mean just clean install of debian. and getting kde for my own
[03:17] <libben> what to i gain by taking kubuntu instead.
[03:17] <libben> to==do
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> whaever you do don't try to turn Debian into Kubuntu
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: not sure agbout that
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> *about
[03:18] <libben> kubuntu is debian with just some more updated packages from ubuntu project.
[03:18] <libben> and my feeling is like, why kubuntu and all the extra fuzz, when u just can do a debian install and get kde on it.
[03:19] <libben> or is it more updated things and more secured and stabled by going with kubuntu
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> let me save you pain:
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> do not 'upgrade' Debian to Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:20] <jpatrick> Kubuntu has a newer kernel
[03:20] <libben> well, u can get that at the installation also ?
[03:21] <libben> with debian easly
[03:23] <jpatrick> what KDE version does Debian have?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. 
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends what your using i suppose
[03:24] <amgat> anyone else having problems fetching the update from ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de
[03:26] <jpatrick> libben: see: http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000151
[03:27] <libben> why aint ff in as default browser? and konq instead
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> because konq comes with KDE
[03:29] <jpatrick> libben: Control Centre -> KDE components -> Component Chooser
[03:30] <libben> bbl, gonna run to the store and buy a new seagate 200 gb hd, and make a new dual boot box.
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:31] <libben> well, im gonna turn this box to a fileserver and webserver and egdrop bots and so on.. so ill need it anyway.. this machine have 5 year on its neck.. with just a 40 gb seagate bararcuda and a 10 gb from a stripped xbox.
[03:32] <libben> so im gonna throw away the 10 gb, and dual boot with the 200 and 40
[03:32] <libben> my machine is a p4 1.7 so its decent for linux and quake3 anyway =)
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'just a 10 gig'
[03:33] <libben> Kamping_Kaiser this is not a fast desicsion as it seems. ive been up since 10 this morning and been to 4 stores... 2 of them closed. and none had my seagate disc.
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben:  :/ bugger
[03:33] <libben> found one store 2 miles away from here aprox, so gonna buy it there
[03:33] <libben> 2 miles not english miles.
[03:34] <libben> wd is good.
[03:34] <libben> but i like seagate
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> each to thier own :)
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i don't know miles anyway
[03:34] <libben> allways did since my first barracuda iv arrives.
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> try kms ;)
[03:34] <libben> metric system owns =)
[03:34] <libben> 20 kms =)
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[03:35] <libben> well, i can manke that trip pretty fast anywa =)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, go for it
[03:36] <libben> point me to a network iso... or is it normal iso to download and choose netinstall from it?
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a network instlal iso, not exactly sure where it is
[03:37] <libben> how is ntfs in linux now? anygood? can it read and write, remember there were some probs with it earlier... i wanna have a part that can be seen in booth xp and linux.
[03:38] <libben> how do i install with 686 for my box, i see that its only 386 iso files
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ntfs writeing is not recomended
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> install 386 then dist-upgrade
[03:39] <libben> so what then? fat32 ?
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid so
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> or ext2 and the xp module
[03:39] <libben> but i can have ntfs reading without problem?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure
[03:40] <libben> so if i have 4.7 dvd-r isos from xp ... i can read them easily within linux? 
[03:40] <libben> as long i dont try to write to the nfts part from linux and its bigger then 1 gb ? sorta?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: you may have to change a line in /etc/fstab, but otherwise no worries
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> well just don't write
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's safer not to
[03:41] <libben> hmm.
[03:41] <libben> bummer.
[03:41] <libben> or not really. i wanna make the transition totally to linux.. but as long all my games wont run on it =) i need dualboot.
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> libben: you can write, but no one will feel sorry for you when it corrupts
[03:42] <libben> haha =)
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ yeh, same issue
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i stoped playing games ;D
[03:42] <libben> well.. theres tux-racer and some writing games that are good =)
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> havent played an fps for 4 months :S
[03:42] <libben> wow
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i own all valvs stuff
[03:42] <libben> install quake3 atleast
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have it somewhere, but havnt played that iether
[03:43] <libben> rocketarena3 and urbanterror is damn fun 
[03:44] <libben> i want 686 from start no iso for that or netinstall ?
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. IIRC the net iso will let you install it as part of the instlal
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, it does with Debian
[03:45] <libben> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/896/ lol
[03:45] <libben> sorry for spamming
[03:46] <mushtaq> is there a way to record krfb ?
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> no idea mushtaq sorry
[03:47] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, do you have any idea about how to capture a video of your desktop
[03:47] <mushtaq> i am getting a package called vnc2swf but that is not working
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> capture video of the desktop. um not that i can think of
[03:47] <mushtaq> where are u from Kamping_Kaiser ?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> living?
[03:48] <libben> netherlands maybe
[03:48] <mushtaq> Kamping_Kaiser, yep 
[03:48] <libben> or maybe.... hmm
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Australia
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> netherlands??
[03:48] <Riddell> mrdeath: new packages should go to REVU for review.  what have you packaged?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> me?
[03:48] <libben> i was looking u up earlier.
[03:48] <libben> thauth it was a nl isp
[03:48] <libben> u had
[03:49] <libben> my mistake
[03:49] <libben> =)
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://Internode.on.net/
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> my ISP
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you with a nic like ithis i forgive you :D
[03:51] <mushtaq> anyone else with the knowledge of capturing the screen ? 
[03:54] <mushtaq> ok thanks all 
[03:57] <libben> anyone seen the pclinuxos thingy`?
[03:59] <`Nomad> Hi.. I need help running "tomboy" on KDE.  It installs from apt-get all fine but I can't seem to get it to pop up 
[04:00] <`Nomad> It looks like such a kewl note-taking and management applicaton
[04:01] <`Nomad> oh, I just got it.. If I run it as "tomboy --tray-icon" it does appear. :) Seeeet!
[04:01] <`Nomad> Thanks me!
[04:01] <`Nomad> No problem, you're welcomed
[04:02] <`Nomad> :)
[04:33] <buz> any place to get amarok 1.3 debs?
[04:36] <OculusAquilae> yes
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> http://www.marcel.gamka.de/kubuntu-deutsch/alles/amarok-1.3.deb
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> but you need taglib 1.4
[04:38] <OculusAquilae> under http://www.marcel.gamika.de/taglib-1.4.deb you should find the taglib
[04:45] <apokryphos> OculusAquilae: is that server down?
[04:45] <OculusAquilae> why?
[04:45] <apokryphos> because it doesn't seem to load
[04:46] <OculusAquilae> sorry first has wrong link
[04:46] <OculusAquilae> it must be http://www.marcel.gamika.de/kubuntu-deutsch/alles/amarok-1.3.deb
[04:47] <OculusAquilae> but i can't reach the files hm
[04:47] <apokryphos> they don't seem to exist :P
[04:47] <OculusAquilae> hm
[04:47] <apokryphos> (not there, that is)
[04:48] <OculusAquilae> i ask the guy, who loaded up these files
[04:50] <apokryphos> There's some available here, anyhow..
[04:50] <apokryphos> !amarok 1.3
[04:50] <ubotu> apokryphos: I don't know, could you explain it?
[04:50] <apokryphos> !amarok1.3
[04:50] <ubotu> amarok1.3 is, like, totally, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=304006&postcount=54
[04:50] <buz> thx
[04:51] <OculusAquilae> apokryphos: he had to delete these files but he uploaded to http://www.marcel.gamka.de/kubuntu-deutsch/alles/amarok-1.3.deb and http://www.marcel.gamka.de/kubuntu-deutsch/alles/amarok-1.3.deb
[04:51] <apokryphos> nope, don't seem to exist
[04:51] <OculusAquilae> sorry i mean http://rapidshare.de/files/4249079/amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb.html and http://rapidshare.de/files/4249079/amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb.html
[04:51] <buz> Resolving www.marcel.gamka.de... failed: Host not found.
[04:51] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[04:51] <apokryphos> aha
[04:52] <OculusAquilae> i'll upload it on my server
[04:52] <apokryphos> Too many users downloading right now. Please try again later
[04:52] <buz> sux
[04:52] <apokryphos> what an annoying hosting service :D
[04:52] <buz> torrents any day
[04:53] <OculusAquilae> thats because i upload it on my server apokryphos :-)
[04:53] <apokryphos> OculusAquilae: who made those packages?
[04:53] <OculusAquilae> think author was it
[04:53] <buz> http://pep.homelinux.net/~tonio/amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb doesnt work either
[04:54] <apokryphos> even if I haven't had to use it yet :D
[04:54] <apokryphos> buz: is that the one from the forum?
[04:54] <buz> yes
[04:55] <apokryphos> Hah.
[04:55] <apokryphos> Hm, I don't seem to have a copy of it anymore :/
[04:55] <buz> http://members.iinet.net.au/~gracey88/amarok-1.3-1_i386.deb works
[04:55] <buz> also from that thread
[04:55] <apokryphos> aha!
[04:55] <buz> but i'd rather have one from a repository really
[04:56] <apokryphos> I doubt it'll go into backports at this stage
[04:56] <buz> i should start having dedicated uids for dedicated stuff ;)
[04:58] <buz>   libtag1: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:58] <buz> crap
[04:58] <apokryphos> dang packager ;-)
[04:58] <OculusAquilae> if anyone needs the files http://www.oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu-amarok-1.3/taglib-1.4_1.4-1_i386.deb and http://www.oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu-amarok-1.3/amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb
[05:03] <jpatrick> hmm... errors
[05:03] <buz> i'll stick with amarok until breezy comes
[05:03] <buz> that's soon enough ;)
[05:03] <apokryphos> newest hasn't been put in breezy yet
[05:04] <apokryphos> I suspect they're waiting till nearer the very end; speedy amarok developers :D
[05:04] <apokryphos> speedy release schedule
[05:04] <OculusAquilae> apokryphos: taglib 1.4 isn't in breezy
[05:04] <apokryphos> ok
[05:06] <jpatrick> Errors were encountered while processing: amarok-1.3_1.3-1_i386.deb
[05:06] <apokryphos> jpatrick: well, what were they?
[05:08] <jpatrick> trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/amarok', which is also in package amarok
[05:10] <OculusAquilae> yes, the package has the wrong name
[05:10] <OculusAquilae> its named amarok-1.3 and it should be amarok
[05:16] <jpatrick> renaming didn't help
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: i'm uploading new files
[05:26] <OculusAquilae> amaroK packages are up on my server http://www.oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu-amarok-1.3 , now packaged by myself and working (i think :-))
[05:30] <r1kzun> mi teclado numrico, en KDe, solo funciona como root, que puede ser?
[05:30] <Tm_T> you talar englese?
[05:30] <OculusAquilae> r1kzun: which language is this, spanish?
[05:30] <Tm_T> ;--P
[05:30] <r1kzun> sorry
[05:31] <OculusAquilae> we have an spanish channel too #kubuntu-es
[05:31] <edulix> yeah, ,that's spanish
[05:31] <r1kzun> my num block only work, in kde, like root
[05:31] <r1kzun> no like user
[05:31] <r1kzun> what could be?
[05:32] <r1kzun> :s
[05:34] <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: they didn't work :s
[05:34] <jpatrick> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libamarok_artsengine_plugin.la', which is also in package amarok-arts
[05:35] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: deinstall old amarok first
[05:35] <jpatrick> It removes quite a lot of things
[05:36] <jpatrick> just kubuntu-desktop :P
[05:37] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: kubuntu-desktop is not a real package, it only has as depencies everything, what is in the standard install
[05:37] <OculusAquilae> you can remove it
[05:37] <jpatrick> I know
[05:37] <OculusAquilae> k
[05:37] <jpatrick> It did remove amarok-arts
[05:38] <jpatrick> Now it can't process libtag1_1.4-1_i386.deb :/
[05:38] <OculusAquilae> why that?
[05:38] <jpatrick> Maybe I should remove the old one
[05:38] <OculusAquilae> yes
[05:38] <OculusAquilae> the old 1.4 one
[05:41] <jpatrick> That fixed it :D
[05:41] <OculusAquilae> k
[05:42] <OculusAquilae> nice :-)
[05:42] <jpatrick> :D wahey new splash
[05:43] <jpatrick> Cool things they've added :)
[05:44] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: yes, this wikepedia thing is nice
[05:45] <jpatrick> what wikipedia thing?
[05:46] <Tm_T> =)
[05:46] <Tm_T> wiki tab?
[05:46] <OculusAquilae> play a song and click in this context thing on wiki
[05:46] <KWizzard> wikipedia is dead :D
[05:46] <jpatrick> KWizzard: yes it is
[05:46] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[05:47] <KWizzard> it seems to be a hurricane in Florida... :D
[05:47] <jpatrick> No
[05:47] <jpatrick> Amsterdam
[05:47] <jpatrick> The server there is down
[05:47] <OculusAquilae> and I need it at the moment :-(
[05:47] <calilasseia> Hello there ...
[05:48] <jpatrick> and it's up again!
[05:48] <OculusAquilae> calilasseia: hi
[05:48] <Tm_T> let's party!
[05:48] <calilasseia> I've had Kubuntu up and running for about 12 hours ...
[05:48] <Tm_T> ehm
[05:48] <KWizzard> maybe they are upgrading the servers :D
[05:48] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: but not everytime, when I need it :-)
[05:49] <calilasseia> I managed to install Firefox ... don't shout at me because of my preferences :)
[05:49] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: but not everytime, when I need it :-
[05:49] <calilasseia> Trouble is, I need to install the Flash plugin ...
[05:49] <OculusAquilae> calilasseia: k
[05:49] <KWizzard> what? :D
[05:49] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: wikipedia
[05:49] <JessicaX^> Hello, everyone!
[05:49] <KWizzard> OculusAquilae, are you registered there?
[05:49] <JessicaX^> I'm having a problem getting KsmoothDock workin
[05:50] <calilasseia> Now I've updated the repositories in the file apt-get uses (can't remember the name off the top of my head) ...
[05:50] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: how?
[05:50] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: what?
[05:50] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: or better where?
[05:51] <KWizzard> on Wikipedia
[05:51] <calilasseia> Only thing is when someone last night gave me instructions, apt-get said it couldn't find the package ...
[05:51] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: think so
[05:51] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: installation was easy here
[05:51] <calilasseia> So, any hints on installing Flash in Firefox now that Firefox is up and running???
[05:52] <jpatrick> calilasseia: do you have universe etc enabled?
[05:52] <JessicaX^> Well, i have a problem with "x11 headers" when it does the sanity check
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> calilasseia: you want to install libflash-mozplugin, right?
[05:52] <JessicaX^> also, KDE crashes when enabling the root login.
[05:52] <calilasseia> Hang on I'll check ... what's the file again? I know it's in /etc ...
[05:52] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: I think that there's a .deb package
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> calilasseia: you want to install libflash-mozplugin, right
[05:52] <jpatrick> calilasseia: /etc/apt
[05:52] <usrx> calilasseia, why not download flash from macromedia.com?
[05:52] <JessicaX^> how do i run .deb packages on kubuntu?
[05:52] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: sorry /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:53] <OculusAquilae> sorry wrong highlighting :-)
[05:53] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: You install a .deb with the command dpkg -i
[05:53] <JessicaX^> ??
[05:53] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:53] <JessicaX^> ahhh
[05:53] <JessicaX^> thne the filename?
[05:53] <calilasseia> Macromedia threw a tarball at me and I've never used those things ...
[05:53] <usrx> yeah
[05:53] <JessicaX^> dpkg -i flename.deb ?
[05:53] <OculusAquilae> to much people in here :-)
[05:53] <jpatrick> yeah
[05:53] <JessicaX^> thx
[05:53] <JessicaX^> sorry, i'm not used to apt etc
[05:53] <JessicaX^> not used debian before
[05:53] <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: there only are 89
[05:54] <OculusAquilae> calilasseia: it should be ok to install libflash-mozplugin
[05:54] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: :)
[05:54] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: but many of them write something :-)
[05:54] <JessicaX^> well, i like sudo
[05:54] <jpatrick> I think Wikipedia's died.... again
[05:54] <calilasseia> Got hoary universe as one of my sources ...
[05:54] <JessicaX^> Also; how can i enable root login?
[05:55] <JessicaX^> Seems to purposely crash
[05:55] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: I wouldn't
[05:55] <JessicaX^> I need to
[05:55] <jpatrick> why?
[05:55] <JessicaX^> It doesnt matter why
[05:55] <usrx> heh
[05:55] <jpatrick> ^
[05:55] <JessicaX^> It's njot my computer, if i'm getting paid to enable root
[05:55] <JessicaX^> Then they can have root with no password for all i care
[05:55] <JessicaX^> ;)
[05:55] <usrx> ouch
[05:56] <usrx> that's just mean
[05:56] <jpatrick> you can everyone with sudo
[05:56] <JessicaX^> Okay
[05:56] <JessicaX^> hmm, i'll cec it ut
[05:56] <calilasseia> So shall I try running Firefox and installing direct?
[05:57] <KWizzard> Oculus, so you are not registered at any wikipedia project?
[05:57] <OculusAquilae> calilassei: have you tried to install libflash-mozplugin
[05:57] <usrx> calilasseia, the firefox plugin wizard won't install it 
[05:57] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: I am 
[05:57] <usrx> you have to get the package or the tarball
[05:57] <calilasseia> Ah right ...
[05:57] <KWizzard> which language version?
[05:57] <calilasseia> So I have to do it the hard way in a termina window using apt-get again ...
[05:57] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: german
[05:58] <calilasseia> Lovely ...
[05:58] <jpatrick> JessicaX^: if you must https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:58] <jpatrick> But I don't think you should it
[05:58] <KWizzard> Oculus: you are from Germany?
[05:58] <OculusAquilae> calilassei: you can do it via kynaptic too
[05:58] <usrx> calilasseia, or kynaptic?  i just used the tarball from macromedia
[05:58] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: yes
[05:58] <calilasseia> Kynaptic?
[05:58] <usrx> package manager
[05:59] <jpatrick> K -> System -> Kynaptic
[05:59] <calilasseia> Didn't seem to have its act together when I last tried it ... that's why I used apt-get ...
[05:59] <usrx> its just a gui
[05:59] <usrx> does the same thing
[05:59] <jpatrick> you can use that tarball
[05:59] <calilasseia> So it's libflash-mozplugin then ???
[05:59] <OculusAquilae> yes
[05:59] <calilasseia> Here goes ...
[05:59] <jpatrick> yreah
[06:00] <calilasseia> Weird ... it says I already have it ... ????
[06:00] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: why do you ask?
[06:00] <KWizzard> I just wanna know
[06:00] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: if I'm registered?
[06:00] <KWizzard> I am on Slovak wiki
[06:00] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: k
[06:00] <r1kzun> funciono :DDDDDDDDDDD
[06:01] <aaaaaa> hello.
[06:01] <usrx> calilasseia, it says its installed?
[06:01] <OculusAquilae> aaaaaa: hello
[06:01] <jpatrick> hello aaaaaa 
[06:01] <KWizzard> btw, is it true that KDE is mostly made by German developers?
[06:01] <calilasseia> Right, just to make sure, I've removed the old one usgin apt-get remove, and reinstalled again...
[06:01] <aaaaaa> What's exactly the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[06:01] <calilasseia> And the reinstall seems to be fine ...
[06:01] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: The first developers were from germany
[06:01] <buz> kubuntu is kde, ubuntu gnome
[06:01] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: Kubuntu is  KDE 
[06:02] <calilasseia> aaaaaa: the major difference is the desktop ... Kubuntu is spelt with a K because it has KDE ...
[06:02] <buz> else its mostly the same stuff
[06:02] <KWizzard> I thought so
[06:02] <calilasseia> Ubuntu uses Gnome as its desktop ...
[06:02] <calilasseia> Yay me for reading the web page :)
[06:02] <aaaaaa> I downloaded the ubuntu livecd some time back, but was unable to browse documents created under xp and saved to the harddrive. Is this possible under kubuntu?
[06:02] <calilasseia> Right, now I've got to check and see if Firefox accepts the plugin and runs a page with Flash on it ...
[06:03] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: I think it was Matthias Ettrich who founded kde
[06:03] <aaaaaa> What exactly is KDE?
[06:03] <usrx> aaaaaa, should be possible on both kubuntu and ubuntu
[06:03] <calilasseia> aaaaaa:  Don't know about XP ... are you using the NTFS filesystem in XP???
[06:03] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: did you mount the HD?
[06:03] <calilasseia> Only NTFS can be a bit of a pig even in XP itself, let alone outside ...
[06:03] <KWizzard> Oculus: do you know him? :D
[06:03] <calilasseia> Yet another reason I use XP CDs as dog frisbees :)
[06:04] <aaaaaa> Yes, NTFS. I just saved it to the mydocuments folder. But clicking the disk icon on the ubuntu livecd it gives me a whole different index of folders, none i knew from xp.
[06:04] <jpatrick> aaaaa: KDE is @ www.kde.org
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> KWizzard: no
[06:04] <calilasseia> Which is why when I wanted a modern operating system I went for Lunix :)
[06:04] <aaaaaa> jpatrick, i do not know how to mounth the harddrive.
[06:04] <calilasseia> Argh ... dyslexic keyboard ... "Linux" ...
[06:04] <usrx> aaaaaa, that was probably the wrong drive
[06:04] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: that explains why couldn't see the files
[06:05] <jpatrick> why you*
[06:05] <nikkia> calilasseia: i like linux as much as anyone, but i'd find it hard to seriously call a clone of a 35yo operating system 'modern' :P
[06:05] <jpatrick> You have to mount it first
[06:05] <calilasseia> aaaaaa: if the OS was mounted as a dual boot and the partitioner set things up correctly then Kubuntu should be able to see your non-Linix filesystems ...
[06:05] <calilasseia> OK, the UNIX base part may be 35 years old but it still pees all over Windows doesn't it??? LOL
[06:05] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[06:05] <nikkia> (and yes, i know linux is more or less a clone of the more modern unix versions, a mix of some BSDisms and SysVisms, but still)
[06:06] <nikkia> calilasseia: not on everything, sadly
[06:06] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: what you saw as filesystem was the CD
[06:06] <nikkia> calilasseia: as little as its used, NT's protection system is more flexible
[06:06] <nikkia> calilasseia: ie, proper ACLs
[06:07] <calilasseia> Well let's put it this way nikkia ... I've spent 5 hours wrestling with Windows to get it to acknowledge my net connection ...lots of screaming and swearing ...
[06:07] <nikkia> i still don't understand why the acl patch hasn't been made mainstream
[06:07] <aaaaaa> jpatrick, thanks I will give it a try. Does this also work on the liveCD? Or only on the install?
[06:07] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: both
[06:07] <calilasseia> Yes Kubuntu saw it in an instant and said to me "Here's your net connection, happy browsing" ...
[06:07] <aaaaaa> thanks.
[06:07] <jpatrick> happy faster browsing
[06:07] <nikkia> calilasseia: i'd say that modern (2k, XP) windows is a nice kernel, sat under an absolutely terrible userland
[06:08] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: you're welcome
[06:08] <aaaaaa> jpatrick: one more thing, where should i type this code?
[06:08] <jpatrick> the console
[06:08] <calilasseia> But then nikkia , I was one of those people who went for Amigas instead of PCs in the late 80s/early 90s ...
[06:08] <nikkia> calilasseia: the NT kernel itself is pretty nice, what i'd expect from Dave Cutler - his history is with well designed and highly securable kernels - yes, you heard me say the NT kernel is very securable, it is!)
[06:08] <jpatrick> command line
[06:09] <aaaaaa> Is that in the startmenu?
[06:09] <buz> nikkia: it was
[06:09] <jpatrick> yes
[06:09] <buz> before they put graphics in ring0
[06:09] <aaaaaa> ok, bye.
[06:09] <nikkia> buz, thats a userland issue :/
[06:09] <buz> and cutler left ms
[06:09] <jpatrick> bye
[06:09] <calilasseia> Couldn't stand the horrible Intel CPU architecture as an assembler programmer (oh those were the days) ... 680x0 blew its socks off :)
[06:09] <buz> it should be
[06:09] <nikkia> buz, as i said, nice kernel, shame about the userland
[06:10] <calilasseia> Well, so far this is proving to be a nice kernel, albeit one with a fairly steep learning curve ...
[06:11] <calilasseia> Oh dear, looks like the Flash plugin is dying ...
[06:11] <calilasseia> Just threw up another window and a dialogue box saying "fscommand is not a recognised protocol" ...
[06:12] <nikkia> gah! i can't remember how to customize a style in xemacs :(
[06:12] <calilasseia> Bugger ....
[06:12] <calilasseia> Guess that install didn't work ...
[06:13] <calilasseia> So, remove it ... try a different method ...
[06:13] <JessicaX1> Heya
[06:13] <JessicaX1> Sorry, the command kpg didnt work :(
[06:13] <JessicaX1> kpkg
[06:13] <jpatrick> dpkg << that
[06:13] <JessicaX1> How is it i install deb files again?
[06:13] <JessicaX1> ahhh
[06:13] <JessicaX1> thx
[06:13] <jpatrick> sudo dpkd -i
[06:13] <calilasseia> Oh two Jessicas ...confusion reigns ...
[06:13] <jpatrick> dpkg*
[06:14] <jpatrick> nikkia: do you know where I can get QtRuby?
[06:14] <JessicaX1> "requested operation requires super user priviledges"
[06:15] <jpatrick> sudo dpkg -i
[06:15] <JessicaX1> thx
[06:15] <nikkia> jpatrick: yes
[06:15] <nikkia> jpatrick: the same place as korundum
[06:15] <jpatrick> because when I run the code it says there is no such thing as Qt
[06:15] <calilasseia> Oh great ... here I am in the middle of trying to debug my browser plugin woes and my fish start spawning ...
[06:16] <JessicaX1> Ahh, good good
[06:16] <JessicaX1> It's installing it noiwi
[06:16] <JessicaX1> iI)ii
[06:16] <nikkia> jpatrick: ie, http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/
[06:16] <jpatrick> nikkia: that's the code I'm trying to run
[06:17] <JessicaX1> Ruby is cute
[06:17] <JessicaX1> mod_ruby is nice also :)
[06:17] <nikkia> jpatrick: did you install qtruby AND korundum from there?
[06:17] <jpatrick> No
[06:17] <jpatrick> I downloaded via apt
[06:17] <calilasseia> OK, let's see if this works ...
[06:18] <JessicaX1> hurray
[06:18] <jpatrick> nikkia: message = a.rb:2:in `require': No such file to load -- Qt (LoadError
[06:18] <nikkia> jpatrick, hmmm, no idea then
[06:18] <spiral> hi
[06:18] <calilasseia> It doesn't like this ...
[06:19] <nikkia> its probably mispackaged :/
[06:19] <seaLne> jpatrick: the package in ubuntu is currently broken
[06:19] <nikkia> there you go :)
[06:19] <nikkia> seaLne: btw, you might know....
[06:19] <jpatrick> Oh so I'll download it
[06:19] <chakie> the python-qt package also has some broken parts
[06:19] <nikkia> seaLne: where tf does 'gem' live in the ubuntu ruby packages? or doesn't it?
[06:19] <seaLne> jpatrick: create a file called /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt.rb
[06:20] <seaLne> containing just "require 'qtruby'"
[06:20] <jpatrick> okay
[06:20] <seaLne> obviously without the quotes
[06:20] <jpatrick> just the '' ones
[06:20] <seaLne> yeah
[06:21] <lonewolff> hmmm, is there any way to stop gamin from using so much cpu time?
[06:21] <seaLne> nikkia: hmm i suppose shipping gem would kind of a go against a distro :)
[06:21] <JessicaX1> wow..
[06:21] <calilasseia> Right, just been to Macromedia ... their plugin installer is a tarball ...
[06:21] <jpatrick> JessicaX1: now what?
[06:21] <nikkia> seaLne: i suppose
[06:22] <jpatrick> calilasseia: untar it
[06:22] <JessicaX1> no...where the hell do i configure ksmoothdock
[06:22] <nikkia> seaLne: but CPAN and PEAR both seem to get included by most distros
[06:22] <jpatrick> JessicaX1: right-click it
[06:22] <seaLne> ruby support is pretty crap in most distros atm
[06:22] <nikkia> seaLne: i'd noticed
[06:22] <JessicaX1> right click what?
[06:22] <calilasseia> However, the question is this ... if I want the plugin to be accessible to Firefox for all users, don't I need to install it as root?
[06:23] <seaLne> like my other ubuntu bug of the ruby kconfigxt prog not being installed
[06:23] <jpatrick> JessicaX1: right click the dock
[06:23] <JessicaX1> It installed, now i cant find
[06:23] <jpatrick> seaLne: Thank you
[06:23] <jpatrick> a little box is saying 'hello world'
[06:23] <seaLne> jpatrick: it had me confused for a while
[06:24] <jpatrick> I've been trying since yesterday to get it to work
[06:24] <seaLne> now have fun trying to work out how to do anything with the non existant docs :-/
[06:24] <JessicaX1> err
[06:24] <jpatrick> :-/ okay...
[06:24] <JessicaX1> jpatrick: the dock hasnt launched
[06:24] <JessicaX1> :(
[06:24] <jpatrick> :-/
[06:24] <JessicaX1> the kicker is there
[06:25] <calilasseia> OK, I have a tarball on my desktop ... shouldn't I move it somewhere else before unpacking it???
[06:25] <jpatrick> move Kicker to the top of the screen
[06:25] <jpatrick> calilasseia: no
[06:25] <JessicaX1> hmm
[06:25] <seaLne> jpatrick: the ruby version of the kde tutorial is about all there is apart from the bindings page, if you find anything more i'd love to hear :)
[06:25] <jpatrick> KSmoothDock sits at the buttom
[06:25] <jpatrick> seaLne: Okay
[06:26] <seaLne> the ruby-talk mailinglist is where i've read some other pointers
[06:26] <calilasseia> I take it that when it's unpackaged, the installer should be run via sudo then ...
[06:26] <seaLne> and ofcourse if you dare to ask question on #kde-devel you get laughed at
[06:27] <jpatrick> seaLne: is korundum broken?
[06:27] <jpatrick> why?
[06:27] <seaLne> "ruby is too slow" etc
[06:27] <seaLne> not had any probs with korundum what you getting
[06:27] <calilasseia> OK let's give this a try ...
[06:28] <jpatrick> calilasseia: untar and inside should be a shell script
[06:28] <jpatrick> run it in the konsole
[06:28] <JessicaX1> Meh, i'll screw with it later
[06:28] <calilasseia> Er, I seem to have lost my tarball ...
[06:28] <JessicaX1> it launched, with all the settings
[06:28] <jpatrick> :-/
[06:29] <JessicaX1> still, did nothing
[06:30] <jpatrick> If you right click a menu should pop up
[06:30] <calilasseia> Got it ... it's on my desktop ...
[06:30] <jpatrick> untar
[06:30] <aaaaaa> hello, another question.
[06:30] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: hello again
[06:30] <aaaaaa> Does Kubuntu include a firewall/virusscanner?
[06:31] <jpatrick> You can install one
[06:31] <aaaaaa> on the live cd??
[06:31] <jpatrick> no
[06:31] <calilasseia> Right ... it's unpacked ... and as the Macromedia blurb said it would, it created a new directory when unpacked ... now I've got to cd to this new directory in a console window and execute the script apparently ...
[06:31] <aaaaaa> mmmh, so the liveCD is unprotected?
[06:32] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: No
[06:32] <jpatrick> calilasseia: open the konsole
[06:32] <jpatrick> and cd to the folder
[06:32] <aaaaaa> Sorry, I don't understand. 
[06:32] <calilasseia> Done that ... and done 'ls' to check the contents ...
[06:32] <jpatrick> do ./flash-installer
[06:32] <aaaaaa> Can someone get everything I'm doing whe nconnected to the internet?
[06:32] <calilasseia> But the diectopry isn't there .,..
[06:33] <jpatrick> or whatever the shell script is called
[06:33] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: it's possible
[06:33] <seaLne> aaaaaa: they can't connect to anything to get your files as you aren't running any servers they could access
[06:33] <jpatrick> calilasseia: after cd-ing do ./<name of shell script>
[06:34] <calilasseia> Bleh ... "extract here" ... slaps own forehead :)
[06:34] <jpatrick> :)
[06:34] <calilasseia> Right, I'm in the new directory ...
[06:34] <aaaaaa> What about when I interface with a secure connection (SSL it's called if i'm correct). WOuld that still be secure and unable for others to interface with any part?
[06:34] <jpatrick> ./flash-installer <- in the konsole
[06:35] <calilasseia> It appears to be running ...
[06:35] <jpatrick> Answer the questions on-screen
[06:35] <calilasseia> It wants me to install it in a directory off my home directory ... shouldn't I install it somewhere else ???
[06:35] <seaLne> aaaaaa: connecting to someone dosen't mean they can connect to you
[06:35] <jpatrick> calilasseia: it's better if you run it as root
[06:36] <jpatrick> do: sudo su before running the script
[06:36] <calilasseia> That's what I asked a bit back JPatrick ... shouldn't this be done as root ....
[06:36] <jpatrick> oppss
[06:36] <calilasseia> Right, so cancel the curent run, and re-run as sudo su ... 
[06:36] <jpatrick> yes
[06:37] <calilasseia> OK, quut that run ...
[06:37] <calilasseia> "Quit" ...
[06:37] <jpatrick> "kill'
[06:38] <calilasseia> It's OK, it had an option to quit as I was running, no need to kill it ...
[06:38] <calilasseia> So the command is "sudo su /.flashplayer-installer" ...
[06:38] <jpatrick> no
[06:39] <jpatrick> sudo su then ./flash-installer
[06:39] <aaaaaa> So others can't takeover the connection and for example change things at the other side of the secure connection where i logged in just because the kubuntu liveCD doesn't have a firewall?
[06:39] <calilasseia> Ah, right ... I get it ... sudo su sets up a root shell ... I'm learning ...
[06:39] <jpatrick> aaaaaa: noone's gonna attack you
[06:39] <jpatrick> calilasseia: yes :)
[06:39] <Nalioth> jpatrick: why sudo su?
[06:40] <aaaaaa> ok, bye.
[06:40] <calilasseia> Got the # prompt ... guess I'm root now :)
[06:40] <jpatrick> Nalioth: *shrug*
[06:40] <Nalioth> jpatrick: jpatrick sudo -s is safer
[06:40] <jpatrick> oh ok
[06:41] <jpatrick> calilasseia: install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox for Firefox
[06:41] <calilasseia> Right, it said "Installing as root, therefore installing system wide" or words to that effect ...
[06:41] <calilasseia> Hang on ... checking that path ...
[06:41] <Nalioth> calilasseia: in the future, use "sudo -s" for a root terminal, please. it gives you a 5-minute root terminal
[06:41] <jpatrick> when it asks you about where to install install it there
[06:42] <jpatrick> 5-minute.....
[06:42] <calilasseia> OK ...
[06:42] <calilasseia> And when I want to stop being root ...
[06:43] <Nalioth> calilasseia: either "su <yourusername>" or if using sudo -s, in 5 minutes, it'll return to normal
[06:43] <calilasseia> Got it ... path verified ...
[06:44] <jpatrick> make sure you close any Firefoxes
[06:45] <calilasseia> They were already closed before I started ...
[06:45] <calilasseia> Appears to be done ...
[06:45] <calilasseia> Now it's time to test it ...
[06:46] <calilasseia> Firefoz says I have plugins for SWF and SPL filetypes ...
[06:46] <calilasseia> NJow let's see if the plugin works ...
[06:48] <calilasseia> OK, it didn't crash ...
[06:49] <calilasseia> But all the text on the flash I viewed was invisible ...
[06:50] <_StarScream> hi guys, i was just installing PHP4 and noticed that it dragged apache2 with it
[06:50] <_StarScream> why does php need apache?
[06:51] <calilasseia> StarScream: PHP needs a web server ... apache is your web server software ...
[06:51] <seaLne> maybe you installed the apache2 php module?
[06:51] <Nalioth> _StarScream: php isnt much good w/o a delivery mechanism
[06:51] <seaLne> php4-cli dosen't
[06:52] <calilasseia> Oh well, one good thing has happened today ... I'm going to be raising lots of baby fish ... :)
[06:52] <Nalioth> calilasseia: congrats!
[06:52] <calilasseia> The proud daddy to about 25 new baby Panda Catfish ... :)
[06:54] <calilasseia> Nailoth, go here and see my fish pets ... http://calilasseia.0catch.com/biopets.html :)
[06:54] <_StarScream> Nalioth: yeh but its usuable as a scripting language on the CLI
[06:55] <calilasseia> Meanwhile, anyone know wny my Flash plugin renders invisible text?
[06:55] <calilasseia> Page I tested was a Flash chat applet ... text is normally black .,.. but this time none appeared ...
[06:55] <calilasseia> Or at least it was invisible ...
[06:55] <Nalioth> _StarScream: ok, but evidentally, the devs didnt want it to be alone
[07:00] <_StarScream> seaLne: ah php-cli is what i'm looking for . thanks
[07:01] <c0rrupt_> ello
[07:01] <Nalioth> looks like peter is outnumbered
[07:01] <c0rrupt_> how can i chown a file to have no owner
[07:02] <c0rrupt_> or be public
[07:02] <calilasseia> Don't know about "no owner" ... but if you want to make it public try "chmod 0777 filename" ...
[07:02] <Nalioth> c0rrupt_: chmod 777 filename    (everyone will own it execute and read and write
[07:02] <seaLne> c0rrupt_: a file can't not have an owner chmod a+r filename to make it readable by everyone
[07:02] <c0rrupt_> b/c i want it accesable to my tftpd server..
[07:03] <c0rrupt_> thanks guys
[07:03] <calilasseia> Ah of course ... +r ... forgot about the nice args ...
[07:03] <libben> finally
[07:04] <libben> time to play with my new hd
[07:04] <Nalioth> back to the nap
[07:04] <seaLne> calilasseia: they also don't trample over the rest of the existing perms
[07:04] <calilasseia> True ...
[07:05] <calilasseia> I'm going to have to wrap this up ... re-assemble my PC in its original config until I can sort out several nasty messes with the new setup ...
[07:05] <calilasseia> And before that, I want some food :)
[07:05] <calilasseia> Thanks for everyone's help, and have fun while I'm away ...:)
[07:11] <mornfall> heh, chmod 777 on an ftp server is a nice way to get hacked
[07:12] <mornfall> (if you allow stores on that, well...)
[07:12] <mornfall> (it should be more along the lines of 644 for files and 755 for dirs)
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> its tftpd
[07:16] <c0rrupt_> only 1 file..
[07:30] <jpatrick> anyone knows what the Ruby 'gets' is in Python?
[07:30] <jpatrick> know*
[07:40] <libben> im about to smash in my new 200 gb hd... thinking of making one part ntfs for storing some xp things on it and be able to get it from linux.... what was the other solution with ext2 and xp app to get access to it?
[07:41] <libben> thinking of making one gb swap... to much?
[07:41] <libben> and temp folder like 500 mb
[07:43] <jpatrick> libben: http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[07:43] <jpatrick> libben: 1GB might be enough
[07:43] <libben> might? =)
[07:43] <libben> 2 gb then =)
[07:43] <jpatrick> I have 1.3 GB swap
[07:44] <libben> why?
[07:44] <jpatrick> And 128MB RAM :p
[07:44] <libben> 768 ram
[07:44] <jpatrick> which sucks
[07:44] <libben> no ddr though
[07:44] <libben> my pc is 5 years old.
[07:44] <jpatrick> 2 should do
[07:45] <libben> ofcourse it should do
[07:45] <libben> but for what =)
[07:45] <jpatrick> :p
[07:45] <jpatrick> my computer's 4 years old :(
[07:45] <libben> mine is a p4 1.7
[07:45] <jpatrick> mine's a Pentium II :(
[07:45] <libben> wow =)
[07:46] <jpatrick> I hate it.
[07:46] <libben> go figure
[07:46] <jpatrick> Can't use Firefox mostly
[07:46] <libben> anyone else has any pointers on the partitions?
[07:47] <libben> Im thinking of / (196 gb) /swap (2 gb) /temp (1 gb) and what more..... hmmm...
[07:47] <libben> could make my own /home
[07:48] <libben> but thats a bit much i think
[07:48] <jpatrick> do that!!
[07:48] <jpatrick> If you need to reinstall or want to install a distro you won't lose your files
[07:50] <libben> maybe /home (192 gb)    / (5 gb)    /swap (2 gb)    /temp (1 gb)
[07:50] <libben> if i make a /home it wont interfer with /
[07:50] <jpatrick> err.. /  5GG?
[07:51] <jpatrick> gb*
[07:52] <libben> - / is the whole system and my /home unless ive made my own homo
[07:52] <libben> homo =)
[07:52] <jpatrick> have: / 100GB /home 95 swap 3GB /tmp 2 GB
[07:52] <libben> isnt it supposed to be like one /home and one /
[07:53] <libben> why should i have 100 gb for /
[07:53] <seaLne> i'd have thought 20Gb for / should be plenty?
[07:53] <jpatrick> what about the rest?
[07:53] <libben> seaLne yes it is. if u also have a partition for /home
[07:53] <seaLne> if you are going to be burning DVDs you might want to make /tmp bigger
[07:53] <libben> ill be burning dvds alot =)
[07:53] <libben> but why should tmp be bigger for that reason?
[07:54] <seaLne> to create the temporary image in
[07:54] <libben> well all images are allready made 
[07:54] <seaLne> before it is burnt to disk
[07:55] <libben> lets say i got myself a movie from a torrent site that contains my holiday, and i unpack it and burn it... should it be more tmp space?
[07:55] <libben> and why if thats the case
[07:56] <seaLne> no it would be if you were creating a new dvd with something like k3b
[07:56] <seaLne> to backup your holiday videos that you had downloaded
[07:57] <libben> with creating u mean like using software for editing and clipping the film?
[07:57] <libben> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc121&image=822_b94camel2mo.jpg
[07:57] <libben> wrong chan sorry
[07:58] <libben> have like 13 chans and writing in 7 of em.
[07:58] <seaLne> libben: but i think everyone here will given you slightly different answers to partitioning. i like having /boot swap / /usr/ /var /tmp /home
[07:58] <libben> seaLne are u a sysadmin at work?
[07:58] <seaLne> or if not a stand alone desktop /local instead of /home
[07:58] <seaLne> libben: err yeah :)
[07:58] <libben> why the /usr /var 
[07:58] <libben> oooh =) thats why =)
[07:59] <libben> well, for home desktop, thats not gonna be flooded.
[07:59] <seaLne> nah so less partitions are better so you don't end up having to much space somewhere and not enough elsewhere
[07:59] <libben> its enough with / /tmp /home /boot /swap
[07:59] <seaLne> yeah
[08:00] <libben> last time i made a /boot i gave it 16 mb
[08:00] <libben> and its still ok... but feels so weird =)
[08:00] <jpatrick> I think 32MBs is better
[08:00] <seaLne> depens if you clean out old kernels
[08:01] <jpatrick> yeah
[08:01] <seaLne> but with a 200Gb disk i wouldn't worry about wasting a few Mb
[08:02] <libben> but whats the dela with / and /home
[08:02] <seaLne> i think you would want / atleast 10Gb
[08:02] <libben> if i set a /home part also... it will never be on the / part.. and i can easly install new distro and wipe everything else.. and i still have everything in /home.
[08:02] <seaLne> better a bit bigger
[08:02] <seaLne> libben: yep
[08:02] <seaLne> good for playing about
[08:05] <libben> so in / partition it will be the whole system, like gimp games and everything else that i install... and /home will be where well, some programs will be installed there... but that is something u clean out when ur done... but u will have all the personal storage there
[08:05] <jpatrick> yes
[08:06] <libben> then i still dont understand ur reason for a 100 GB / =)
[08:06] <libben> cause i dont think im about to install 100 gb open source =)
[08:06] <jpatrick> ;)
[08:06] <libben> but a / of 10 - 30 gb is nice
[08:07] <jpatrick> If I had a 200GB HD I'll use everything
[08:08] <libben> for / ? 
[08:08] <libben> even when u gonna set a /home 
[08:08] <jpatrick> No I'll halve it
[08:09] <libben> where would u put 100 gb of files on / when u have a own part for /home
[08:09] <jpatrick> never mind
[08:10] <libben> but i wanna know how u think =)
[08:11] <jpatrick> I'm suffering on 15GB
[08:11] <libben> =)
[08:11] <libben> well... u have it all bloated =) or do u actaully have it filled with programs that u use on daily basis?
[08:12] <jpatrick> Some how bloated
[08:12] <libben> clean clean clean =)
[08:13] <jpatrick> :p
[08:14] <libben> well im of to get dirty with my new hd... anyone point me to windows boot loading 
[08:14] <libben> i dont wanna use grub..
[08:14] <jpatrick> :-/
[08:14] <libben> well... its pretty easy with grub anyway, and if i flush it all.. and just wanna run windows, theres a program to restore the boot process?
[08:14] <libben> so i dont sit there with grub all day long.
[08:15] <jpatrick> You'll probably need something like BootMagic
[08:15] <libben> that will fix my mbr record so its back do booting xp only?
[08:15] <jpatrick> what are you trying to do?
[08:16] <libben> im thinking of boot process.
[08:16] <libben> of dual booting
[08:16] <jpatrick> keep GRUB then
[08:16] <libben> thinking of skipping grub
[08:16] <libben> cause sometimes i get rid of linux,.. dont know why =) 
[08:16] <jpatrick> :O
[08:16] <libben> and then i dont wanna sit there with just grub every startup
[08:16] <libben> wanna get back to xp mbr process.
[08:17] <jpatrick> :O
[08:36] <denker> hi all
[08:38] <DaDave> KDE runs very slow on my pc. i have a athlon with 700Mhz and 300mb ram. (and a quite fast IDE Harddisk). is there something i can do to speed up KDE a bit?
[08:44] <Tm_T> DaDave: try to run kpersonalizer
[08:44] <Tm_T> it'll give an easy way to control that ;)
[08:44] <DaDave> what does kpersonalizer do?
[08:45] <DaDave> Tm_T:  ok turned everything of in kpersonalizer...
[08:46] <Tm_T> helped?
[08:48] <DaDave> Tm_T: hnm. a bit. but not much.
[08:48] <DaDave> opening a browser window or a fodler is still very slow.
[08:48] <Tm_T> Konqi?
[08:48] <DaDave> yeah konqi.
[08:48] <Tm_T> well, keep one konqi open and use tabs, fasten up it alot
[08:49] <DaDave> yeah, thats how it works currently. altough very slow...
[08:49] <Tm_T> I used konqi in p2 200MHz 63M ram and it was usable
[08:49] <DaDave> starting a konqi window need about 10-15 secounds.
[08:49] <DaDave> is this normal?
[08:49] <DaDave> starting an xterm needs about 3 secounds?
[08:50] <DaDave> hmm xterm should be there immediatly i think, shouldn't it?
[09:01] <_daniel> hi
[09:01] <_daniel> i need some help
[09:02] <_daniel> how do i download drivers for my s3 supersavage graphiccard i cant find it
[09:02] <_StarScream> DaDave: erm...10-15 is quite odd mine is <2sec on g3 800 without pre-loading
[09:07] <DaDave> _StarScream: what is a g3? is it a mac?
[09:10] <_StarScream> DaDave: yeh
[09:10] <_StarScream> ibook g3 800
[09:11] <krystoff>  hi there, please i'm trying to get kcolorchooser working, i've installed kdegraphics but i have no applet for color chooser ? any idea where i'm wrong please ?
[09:11] <DaDave> hmm okay. i don't know if this is comparable to my lame slow pc...
[09:12] <_StarScream> DaDave: what spec is your lame slow pc?
[09:12] <_StarScream> krystoff: kde-utils?
[09:13] <krystoff> _StarScream: really i wqs sure it's part of kdegraphics
[09:13] <krystoff> gonna try it
[09:13] <DaDave> _StarScream: athlon 700Mhz, 398Mb Ram, up-to-date 80gb harddisk.
[09:14] <_StarScream> DaDave: your lame slow pc is quite alot faster than my g3 :)
[09:14] <DaDave> _StarScream: then why the hell does ir respond so slow :-)
[09:15] <_StarScream> erm... do hdparm -tT /dev/hda (if hda is your primary drive)
[09:15] <krystoff> okthe package is kcoloredit
[09:15] <krystoff> that's why :)
[09:17] <_StarScream> DaDave: also give the output of  free -m
[09:17] <DaDave> /dev/hda:
[09:17] <DaDave>  Timing cached reads:   564 MB in  2.01 seconds = 280.64 MB/sec
[09:17] <DaDave>  Timing buffered disk reads:   42 MB in  3.10 seconds =  13.55 MB/sec
[09:18] <DaDave>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:18] <DaDave> Mem:           377        330         47          0          4        123
[09:18] <DaDave> -/+ buffers/cache:        202        174
[09:18] <DaDave> Swap:          486         17        469
[09:18] <DaDave> sorry for the long paste...
[09:18] <_StarScream> DaDave: hmm..sorry
[09:18] <_StarScream> no idea
[09:18] <_StarScream> those are fine
[09:19] <_StarScream> faster than mine in fact
[09:19] <krystoff> mm ir's not the same as i saw before :s
[09:20] <_StarScream> DaDave: open a konsole and launch konqueror that way
[09:20] <_StarScream> see if the output gives any clues as to whats going on...
[09:21] <_StarScream> also have a look in /var/log/messages
[09:21] <_StarScream> see if there is anything its trying to do that it doesn't have permission to do
[09:21] <_StarScream> thats the only thing i can think of that would cause it to be slow
[09:22] <DaDave> _StarScream: no output from konquerror at all...
[09:22] <DaDave> the whole fucking user interface is very slow.
[09:30] <Tm_T> bah
[09:44] <_StarScream> DaDave: hmm sorry ....don't know what else to suggest..
[09:48] <fatejudger> ays	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	IPSec	0.0.0.0	UDP 500/500	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	PPTP	0.0.0.0	TCP 1723/1723	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	NetMeeting	0.0.0.0	TCP 1720/1720	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	DCS-1000	0.0.0.0	TCP 80/80	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	DCS-2000	0.0.0.0	TCP 80/80	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	DVC-1000	0.0.0.0	TCP 1720/1720	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	Remote Admin (Dad)	192.168.0.101	IP (0) 4898/4898	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	Remote Administrator	192.168.0.100	IP (0) 4899/4899	always	editdelete
[09:48] <fatejudger> 	Virtual Server SSH	192.168.0.100	IP (0) 22/22	always
[09:48] <fatejudger> well that was the wrong paste
[09:48] <fatejudger> stupid KDE
[09:48] <fatejudger> is there a way to organize the items in the KMenu in alphabetical order?
[09:50] <DaDave> damn amarok freezes every time i try to listen to an audio stream...
[09:50] <fatejudger> then don't use amarok
[09:50] <fatejudger> it sucks
[09:50] <fatejudger> Kaffeine or Mplayer is much better
[09:51] <douglas> is the package openoffice.org2-kde broken?
[09:51] <djib> fatejudger: amarok is excellent
[09:51] <djib> it has its own problems
[09:52] <djib> but It's getting better everyday
[09:52] <fatejudger> the open office package doesn't work very well
[09:52] <fatejudger> it's old though
[09:53] <fatejudger> just get the debian packages from openoffice.org
[09:53] <fatejudger> djib: it has almost no support in KDE, unlike Kaffeine
[09:53] <djib> ie ?
[09:53] <fatejudger> djib: well, for starters, it doesn't integrate into firefox
[09:53] <DaDave> fatejudger: yeah, but can i listen to mp3 streasm with kaffein?
[09:54] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:54] <djib> fatejudger: I've never seen a program as good as amarok to deal with big mp3 databases
[09:55] <fatejudger> djib: that's true, it's like Windows Media Player
[09:55] <fatejudger> djib: it handles a ton of music
[09:55] <djib> I tried madman, rhythmbox, ...
[09:55] <fatejudger> djib: however, I have all of my music on a network folder, and I organize it perfectly
[09:55] <fatejudger> you can always use both players
[09:55] <djib> Well let's say it's excellent for a Newbie lire me
[09:56] <fatejudger> the interface is very nice
[09:56] <fatejudger> and windows-like
[09:56] <fatejudger> which is a good thing
[09:56] <fatejudger> but kaffeine just has more support in KDE
[09:56] <fatejudger> it would be nice to have more options though
[09:57] <douglas> is the package openoffice.org2-kde broken?
[09:57] <douglas> whoops
[09:57] <douglas> sorry
[09:57] <douglas> I didn't read, I'm dumb
[09:57] <djib> by the way fatejudger, how the hell can you choose which subtitle you want to open with kaffeine ?
[09:58] <fatejudger> subtitle?
[09:59] <djib> yep
[09:59] <fatejudger> like subtitles in movies?
[09:59] <djib> no, I mean when they are in a text file
[09:59] <djib> like with divX
[09:59] <fatejudger> ah
[09:59] <fatejudger> I don't know if Kaffeine does that
[10:00] <djib> yes it does
[10:00] <fatejudger> hmm
[10:00] <fatejudger> well I don't really konw
[10:00] <fatejudger> *know
[10:00] <fatejudger> all my movies are in English
[10:00] <fatejudger> I don't need subtitles
[10:00] <djib> because when the subtitle file has exactly the same name as the movie file, it asks if I want to read it as well
[10:01] <djib> My english is not good enough yet ;)
[10:01] <fatejudger> djib: it seems fine to me
[10:01] <fatejudger> djib: what exactly do you speak?
[10:01] <djib> French
[10:01] <Hamsterchen> hallo
[10:01] <djib> hey Hamsterchen 
[10:01] <fatejudger> French...
[10:01] <fatejudger> do you still live in France?
[10:02] <djib> yes I do
[10:02] <djib> why's that ?
[10:02] <Hamsterchen> Kann mir jemand mit der Installation und der Konfiguration einer pcmcia-Wlan-Karte helfen?
[10:02] <fatejudger> holy shit
[10:02] <fatejudger> what language is that?
[10:02] <djib> german
[10:02] <fatejudger> damn
[10:02] <fatejudger> Zeig Heil!
[10:02] <fatejudger> lol
[10:02] <djib> ^^
[10:02] <Hamsterchen> shell I speak englsih in this channel?
[10:02] <djib> yes
[10:02] <fatejudger> yeah, that would be good
[10:02] <Hamsterchen> k
[10:03] <Hamsterchen> I'm looking for someone who can help me to install and config a pcmcia wlan-card
[10:04] <djib> can you go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php ?
[10:04] <djib> it doesn't work here
[10:04] <fatejudger> ?
[10:04] <djib> it says impossible to connect
[10:04] <fatejudger> yeah, it's down or something
[10:04] <djib> damned it seems that half the world is down today !
[10:05] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: I'm not very good with the wireless
[10:05] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: at least in Linux
[10:05] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: I've never gotten my wireless card to work in Arbiter
[10:05] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: well, it worked, but I didn't know how to tell it to connect to an AP
[10:05] <djib> anyway
[10:06] <Hamsterchen> I think it works but it can't connect to my router
[10:06] <fatejudger> yeah
[10:06] <fatejudger> I don't know any commands for it
[10:06] <fatejudger> however, KDE seems very easy to use
[10:06] <Hamsterchen> me too
[10:06] <fatejudger> I think it's in the control center
[10:06] <fatejudger> I believe it works via GUI
[10:06] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: do you live in Germany?
[10:06] <Hamsterchen> it is there but I don't know what is wrong
[10:07] <Hamsterchen> yes
[10:07] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: east or west?
[10:07] <Hamsterchen> west
[10:07] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: ah, the nicer area right?
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> yeah^
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> ^
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> ^^
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> damn laptop keyboard
[10:08] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: by the way, you speak excellent English
[10:08] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: don't they teach you both languages simultaneously?
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> do you mean this ironic?
[10:08] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: no, I didn't mean it was ironic
[10:08] <Hamsterchen> becouse I think my english is ver
[10:09] <Hamsterchen> really worse
[10:09] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: really worse
[10:09] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: lol
[10:09] <Hamsterchen> ^^
[10:09] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: the only other language I know is spanish, I took that for about 9 years
[10:09] <Hamsterchen> where do you come from?
[10:09] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: the US
[10:10] <Hamsterchen> and where exactly?
[10:10] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: California
[10:10] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: I'm sure you know where San Francisco is right?
[10:10] <DaDave> is there a playlist like the media library available for linux? (something where i can see some streaming sources like in winamp)?
[10:10] <Hamsterchen> the nice sunny california.
[10:11] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: I live about 1 and 1/2 hours north of San Francisco
[10:11] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: yeah, it's quite a pleasant day
[10:11] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: about 80 degrees
[10:11] <fatejudger> Hamsterchen: Fahrenheit that is
[10:11] <Hamsterchen> Celsius^^
[10:12] <fatejudger> C = (80-35)/1.8 right?
[10:12] <fatejudger> or is it 20
[10:12] <fatejudger> or 25...
[10:12] <fatejudger> damn
[10:12] <Hamsterchen> don't know but water boils at 100C
[10:12] <fatejudger> yeah
[10:12] <fatejudger> I got that part
[10:12] <fatejudger> and it freezes at 0
[10:12] <Hamsterchen> right
[10:13] <fatejudger> what is the hotkey for the degree sign
[10:13] <fatejudger> ?
[10:13] <Hamsterchen> when does water boils in Fahrenheit?
[10:13] <c0rrupt_> im nessus'ing the planet
[10:13] <fatejudger> I dunno, it's like 170
[10:13] <fatejudger> some weird ass number, I tend to use the celcius scale more often for that kind of stuff
[10:13] <Hamsterchen> so Celisus X 1.7 = Fahrenheit ?!
[10:13] <fatejudger> no
[10:14] <fatejudger> it's like F = (C - 25) * 1.8
[10:14] <Hamsterchen> il look it  up on google
[10:14] <fatejudger> just google "80 degrees fahrenheit in Celsius"
[10:14] <fatejudger> and it'll give you the answer
[10:14] <fatejudger> using google calculator
[10:15] <Hamsterchen> it's 176 F
[10:16] <fatejudger> lol
[10:16] <fatejudger> no it isn't
[10:16] <fatejudger> you'd be boiling
[10:17] <Hamsterchen> I tipped 80 C into the Calculator and then it said 176F
[10:18] <fatejudger> yeah well it isn't 80 degrees celsius here
[10:18] <fatejudger> it's 80 degrees fahrenheit
[10:18] <Hamsterchen> that's why I said "Celsius^^"
[10:18] <fatejudger> 80 degrees Fahrenheit = 26.6666667 degrees Celsius
[10:19] <nikkia> 30C here right now, which is way too hot for 9:20pm IMO
[10:19] <Tm_T> haha
[10:19] <Tm_T> I was in sauna just a moment ago, over 80 ... hhhot
[10:20] <nikkia> tm_t, you can get out of a sauna
[10:20] <nikkia> as much as i've tried stepping outside the universe, it doesn't work
[10:20] <Tm_T> =)
[10:20] <Hamsterchen> here it's also about 30C  but that's my foult. Just got 3 PC's running in my room
[10:20] <Tm_T> nikkia: yeah, and I like to be in hot sauna (for a short moment)
[10:21] <Hamsterchen> hehe
[10:21] <Tm_T> finnish summer is short but atleast not much snow ;)
[10:21] <Hamsterchen> we've got snow at winter
[10:21] <Hamsterchen> or spring
[10:22] <Hamsterchen> then it's about -5C
[10:22] <Hamsterchen> sometimes a littlebit colder. but never more then -10C
[10:23] <Tm_T> that's hot to be a winter
[10:23] <nikkia> heh
[10:23] <douglas> Where can I find, OOffice.org2 beta2 debian packages?
[10:24] <Tm_T> it's normal to have -25'C and so on =)
[10:24] <Hamsterchen> not in Germany
[10:24] <nikkia> tm_t, worst i ever experienced, was a january i spent in wisconsin
[10:24] <Tm_T> your loss
[10:24] <nikkia> tm_t, -40C, -55C with windchill
[10:24] <Tm_T> nikkia: yeah, I know the feeling
[10:24] <Hamsterchen> oh OO
[10:24] <Tm_T> nikkia: happens here too sometimes
[10:25] <fatejudger> douglas: on the openoffice.org website
[10:25] <nikkia> and the other extreme, was when i was living in california, and it was 112F
[10:25] <Tm_T> =)
[10:26] <Hamsterchen> ^^
[10:26] <fatejudger> nikkia: what, in Death Valley?
[10:26] <fatejudger> nikkia: it never gets that hot here
[10:26] <nikkia> fatejudger: no, it was a particularly hot day in the bay area in '95
[10:26] <fatejudger> nikkia: well that's where I live
[10:26] <fatejudger> nikkia: where were you located at?
[10:26] <nikkia> fatejudger: i live in the UK *now*
[10:26] <nikkia> fatejudger: at the time, i was living in mountain view
[10:27] <fatejudger> nikkia: hmm, you were on the east side of the bay area?
[10:27] <fatejudger> I'm not exactly sure were moutain view is
[10:27] <nikkia> fatejudger: mountain view is about 10 miles north of san jose
[10:28] <fatejudger> oh that's right
[10:28] <fatejudger> I live in Windsor
[10:28] <nikkia> just between palo alto and sunnyvale
[10:28] <fatejudger> a little ways north of there
[10:28] <Hamsterchen> the british Windsor?
[10:28] <fatejudger> no
[10:28] <fatejudger> the California one...
[10:28] <Hamsterchen> there is also one?!
[10:28] <fatejudger> there are a bunch of Windsors
[10:29] <nikkia> Hamsterchen: rule #1 of british town names: there will be at least 5 towns in the US called the same thing :P
[10:29] <fatejudger> lol
[10:29] <Hamsterchen> Springfield^^
[10:30] <nikkia> (altho we do quite well for ourselves with 'boston' :)
[10:31] <Hamsterchen> nikkia do you know how to config a pcmcia wlan card under kubuntu?
[10:31] <nikkia> Hamsterchen: config in what sense?
[10:32] <Hamsterchen> that it works^^
[10:33] <Hamsterchen> got the problem that it has got all the information id needs (eg. ssid key etc.) but it can't connect to my router
[10:35] <Hamsterchen> maybe it loads the wrong driver, becouse the crad has 2 leds and they are not blinking or even "on".
[10:36] <douglas> fatejudger: I can't seem to find a deb package of beta2, or anything for that matter
[10:36] <Hamsterchen> an idea nikkia?
[10:36] <nikkia> nope
[10:37] <Hamsterchen> hmmm
[10:37] <Hamsterchen> someone an idee in which channel I could aks such questions?
[10:44] <libben> need some help with this now =)
[10:44] <libben> whats the file to change the monitor settings.
[10:45] <libben> i can only get 60 hz in high res
[10:45] <libben> and my monitor supports higher
[10:55] <libben> k, weird.
[10:55] <libben> why cant i use su?
[10:55] <_StarScream> libben: sudo
[10:55] <libben> i type su in console and it gives me error mess
[10:55] <_StarScream> libben: there is no superuser
[10:56] <_StarScream> ubuntu uses sudo
[10:56] <_StarScream> to escalate privs
[10:56] <libben> but in ubuntu u just typed su?
[10:56] <libben> or was it sudo
[10:56] <_StarScream> it was sudo
[10:56] <libben> hmm
[10:56] <_StarScream> if you do sudo passwd root
[10:56] <_StarScream> then you can use su
[10:56] <libben> k.
[10:56] <libben> so what do i do know ?
[10:56] <_StarScream> up to you which you choose
[10:56] <libben> when i wanna do something
[10:56] <_StarScream> well sudo command
[10:56] <_StarScream> then put in your password
[10:57] <libben> libben@burken:/etc/X11$ sudo kate
[10:57] <libben> Password:
[10:57] <libben> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-libben" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[10:57] <libben> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[10:57] <libben> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[10:57] <libben> libben@burken:/etc/X11$  
[10:57] <libben> doesnt work any good for me.
[10:57] <jpatrick> you want to use kate?
[10:57] <_StarScream> erm...thats not how you use kate
[10:58] <jpatrick> kdesu kwrite /path/to/file/
[10:58] <_StarScream> kdesu kate
[10:58] <libben> lol
[10:58] <libben> alot diffrent from ubuntu ill take it
[10:58] <_StarScream> libben: not really..thats a KDE thing 
[10:58] <jpatrick> well just the command and app
[10:58] <djib> how do you sudo a complex operation ?
[10:59] <jpatrick> such as?
[10:59] <djib> like cat blahblah >> blahblah2
[10:59] <_StarScream> djib: like what?
[10:59] <libben> btw, i wanna change my resolution and all that
[10:59] <odat> anyone know how i completely remove gnome?
[10:59] <libben> in ubuntu i remember i typed something like reconfigure dpkg something
[10:59] <djib> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:00] <djib> _StarScream: like cat blahblah >> blahblah2
[11:00] <_StarScream> djib: just jam sudo infront of it
[11:00] <seaLne> sudo cat blahblah >> blahblah2
[11:00] <jpatrick> lol
[11:01] <djib> well it doesn't work when blahblah2 belongs to the root
[11:01] <libben> what do i type to reconfigure my monitor?
[11:01] <libben> and all that?
[11:02] <djib> libben: dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xfree84
[11:02] <jpatrick> xfree84?
[11:02] <jpatrick> djib: try sudo -s
[11:02] <odat> anyone know how i completely remove gnome?\
[11:02] <djib> isn't it xfree84 ?
[11:02] <jpatrick> it's Xorg
[11:02] <djib> i know it's xfree somethink
[11:02] <djib> ok sorry
[11:03] <libben> dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xorg
[11:03] <libben> then?
[11:03] <djib> I'm pretty new with kubuntu, I'm an ex debian
[11:03] <djib> then follow the instructions on the screen
[11:03] <djib> configuring the screen comes at the end
[11:03] <seaLne> didn't think debian was that out of date to use xfree84 :)
[11:03] <libben> xsession-xorg is not installed =)
[11:03] <libben> wich is it now =)
[11:03] <djib> ???????????
[11:04] <djib> well you can try xfree84
[11:04] <seaLne> 86
[11:04] <djib> yes, that's it !
[11:04] <libben> wich does kubuntu use?
[11:04] <seaLne> xorg
[11:04] <djib> there is also krandrtray
[11:04] <libben> so what to type then?
[11:05] <seaLne> what you trying to change?
[11:05] <djib> libben: try krandrtray
[11:05] <djib> it's a program
[11:05] <djib> to resize the screen
[11:05] <libben> that nothing for me.
[11:05] <libben> resolution right.
[11:06] <libben> its the Vertical values and Horizontal values that are wrong.
[11:06] <libben> i just wanna be able to have 85 hz again.
[11:06] <libben> instead of this 60 hz
[11:06] <djib> libben; then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:06] <libben> xserver =)
[11:06] <libben> i typed xsession
[11:06] <seaLne> might be simplest to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:06] <djib> oh yeah sorry, that's what I wrote
[11:07] <libben> seaLne:  well u need to run the reconfigure to make it take place?
[11:07] <libben> its simple to edit the file..
[11:07] <libben> but mustn i do something more after the file editing.
[11:07] <seaLne> just restart X
[11:07] <djib> seaLne: if you edit xorg.conf manually, you can't use dpkg-reconfigure afterwards
[11:07] <libben> that was my view on it also =)
[11:07] <libben> u fuck it up.. better use the reconfigure thing
[11:07] <djib> libben: you must restart kde and kdm
[11:08] <seaLne> djib: shouldn't stop it
[11:08] <djib> seaLne: it does
[11:08] <seaLne> well i've always written my own config i suppose
[11:08] <djib> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[11:08] <djib> # again, run the following commands:
[11:08] <djib> #
[11:08] <djib> #   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[11:08] <djib> #   sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[11:08] <djib> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:08] <djib> that's in the header of xorg.conf
[11:09] <_StarScream> djib: please use a pastebin
[11:09] <djib> _StarScream: what is it ?
[11:09] <libben> im having major problems with kdesu and sudo
[11:09] <djib> sorry, I'm pretty knew with IRC also ^^
[11:10] <libben> nothing works.
[11:10] <seaLne> unless its reeeaaaly big
[11:10] <djib> libben: did you restart kde and kdm ?
[11:10] <libben> havent gone so far to get into the depkg-reconfigure thing
[11:10] <libben> cause it wont let me sudo it
[11:10] <djib> ??
[11:10] <kinfo> what?
[11:11] <seaLne> no e in dpkg-reconfigure
[11:11] <_StarScream> djib: pastebin.com or pastebin.ca
[11:12] <djib> _StarScream: I don't get it
[11:12] <djib> what am I supposed to do with that N
[11:13] <_StarScream> djib: put it in your browser
[11:13] <seaLne> reading/ignoring 6 lines is far easier than loading a url in a browser and having to refer back between it and irc *shrug*
[11:13] <_StarScream> seaLne: yes but if 3 or more people did that it would be chaos
[11:14] <libben> gonna restart the box
[11:14] <libben> see if it helps
[11:14] <libben> doubt it thou
[11:14] <djib> yeah I know that _StarScream, but once on the site, what do I do ?
[11:15] <_StarScream> djib: oh come on!!! instead of pasting 3+lines of whatever you paste it in there, then paste the link
[11:16] <_StarScream> that way people who aren't interested in your problem don't have to read x lines of config
[11:17] <djib> _StarScream: yeah I see, but I think that for 6 lines it's much more convenient to paste it directly in IRC
[11:17] <djib> I will use pastebin if I paste a longer file next time
[11:17] <djib> thanks
[11:17] <djib> libben: works now ?
[11:18] <djib> Does anyone has a Wacom graphire here ?
[11:18] <libben> nope
[11:18] <libben> i think my system is fucked uo
[11:18] <libben> up
[11:19] <libben> or i dont know what to really do
[11:19] <djib> what did you do ?
[11:19] <libben> restarted the box
[11:19] <djib> I mean to f... up the system
[11:19] <libben> install kubuntu from a cd? 
[11:19] <libben> =)
[11:19] <djib> so you never got the screen working with kubuntu
[11:20] <libben> well, i installed it from cd. and then i couldent get it to access internet... but when it all was installed ... the internet worked
[11:20] <libben> and i dont understand this sudo thing and kdesudo
[11:20] <djib> did you try this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing ?
[11:20] <libben> it all worked great in ubuntu.
[11:20] <djib> libben: open a terminal and paste in it :
[11:20] <djib> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:21] <odat> anyone have a good way to completly remove gnome?
[11:21] <libben> libben@burken:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:21] <libben> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[11:21] <libben> hmm..
[11:21] <libben> why is it all fucked upp
[11:21] <djib> libben: I think that the installation must have stoled
[11:22] <djib> Maybe you could try and install once more
[11:22] <libben> well, why should it work second time =)
[11:22] <libben> my problem is that i dident get internet acces from installation process.
[11:23] <djib> I found that many websites are dead today... it may be linked...
[11:23] <djib> I don't know...
[11:23] <libben> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[11:23] <libben> downloaded that iso and burned it..
[11:23] <djib> Well it should work then
[11:24] <djib> I really gotta go to bed sorry
[11:24] <libben> why does it say ubuntu all over the system when its kubuntu =) 
[11:24] <djib> see you all guys
[11:24] <libben> later
[11:24] <djib> libben: ubuntu and kubuntu is the same
[11:24] <libben> i know
[11:24] <seaLne> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[11:24] <djib> from a ubuntu just install kubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <djib> and you get a kubuntu
[11:25] <seaLne> and vice versa
[11:25] <odat> how do i completely remove gnome once i switch to kde
[11:25] <seaLne> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[11:25] <djib> apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop ? ;)
[11:26] <seaLne> hmm ok its not called that
[11:27] <seaLne> you could just remove gnome but if you aren't short of diskspace you might aswell keep it
[11:27] <seaLne> you will probably find some GTK apps you like
[11:27] <nikkia> yeah, i wouldn't bother, you never know when you want to change the mime-type mapping that firefox uses, or something :)
[11:32] <ttyS0> hi.one day i tried to use callback feature. (of course my ISP supports it).i've entered all initialization string as said in manual, but after user verification connection doesn't finish. it works like it was before(without using callback). my isp uses pap-authentication. so what should i do?:)
[11:32] <ttyS0> kppp
[11:32] <djib> nikkia: with about:config you can do many things even if you don't have gnome
[11:32] <nikkia> djib, setting handlers in about:config isn't QUITE the same as the mime-types stuff firefox uses
[11:33] <djib> maybe...
[11:33] <nikkia> the effect is similar, though, but not the same
[11:33] <djib> if you say so...
[11:33] <stoeptegel> azureus keeps complaining or write access, how do i automaticly give azureus 775 permissions?
[11:40] <djib> what are userspace and ondemand profiles ?
[11:40] <djib> for Klaptop...
[11:50] <DanielHolth> hi
[11:50] <DanielHolth> Does kubuntu automount USB devices?
[11:51] <DanielHolth> It isn't in breezy for me.
[11:51] <seaLne> is for me
[11:51] <seaLne> should pop up a konq window
[11:51] <fatejudger> is it possible to use jackd in kubuntu?
[11:51] <DanielHolth> hmm
[11:51] <DanielHolth> perhaps something is missing.
[11:52] <seaLne> i installed from colony3 at home and it does it
[11:52] <seaLne> my work machine was hoary->breezy and it does it aswell
[11:52] <DanielHolth> swell
[11:53] <DanielHolth> I've got hal and hotplug and so forth going. I wonder what's up.
[11:53] <DanielHolth> by going I mean "installed"-
[11:53] <DanielHolth> frightening cascades of updates daily!
[12:00] <AgentOrange> do i have to install gedit?
[12:00] <AgentOrange> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[12:01] <AgentOrange> er
[12:01] <AgentOrange> Repositories
[12:01] <nikkia> heh, good old kate's lousy cut and paste :)
[12:02] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:02] <AgentOrange> sudo: gedit: command not found