=== ztonzy [n=ztonzy@blender/artist/ztonzy] has joined #kubuntu [12:03] apokryphos: I missed something there at the end [12:04] ztonzy: nothing from me [12:05] apokryphos: must been dreaming 8) === chuck [n=anon@201.138.63.132] has joined #kubuntu [12:11] Do someone can help me? [12:13] !helpme [12:13] If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you. [12:13] :P [12:13] I can't configure my computer to connect by wifi [12:14] !wifi [12:14] somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto [12:14] (though I haven't tried it myself( [12:15] oks..but it doesn't matter if it's a ubuntu forum? [12:15] im using kubuntu [12:16] kubuntu = ubunut+kde [12:16] s/ubunut/ubuntu [12:17] yes, i know but the interface is different, does it matter with my configuration method? [12:17] my wifi connection need a net key to connect, so i don't know where to put it in kubuntu === jc-denton [n=nils@80.254.173.61] has left #kubuntu [] [12:18] auto wlan0 [12:18] iface wlan0 inet dhcp [12:18] name Wireless LAN card [12:18] wireless_essid MYNETWOTK [12:18] wireless_key FEFEFEFEFE [12:18] wireless_channel 11 [12:18] wireless_mode managed [12:18] can it work? [12:22] chuck: please don't flood the channel [12:23] mmm, sorry i just neet some help [12:23] but nobody want to help me === jpowers [n=jpowers@208-59-170-43.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] chuck: for non-kde-related questions, #ubuntu is often better === redguy [n=mati@aje186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [12:24] but im using kubuntu, does is not kde? === ..[topic/#kubuntu:apokryphos] : congrats to pef on membership | Kubuntu Official Help Channel | Non-kde-related questions: #ubuntu as well | KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php | Adept alpha out - http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | To prevent spam: /umode +CE [12:24] chuck: what/ === chowells2 [n=chris@host-84-9-223-82.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu === chuck [n=anon@201.138.63.132] has left #kubuntu [] === apokryphos remembers kwifimanager === fatejudger [n=fatejudg@c-67-169-87-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _chip [n=chip@user-0vvdfel.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu === dazjorz [n=dazjorz@82.171.248.210] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === slackern [n=slackern@i205z6cm7.cable.soderhamn-net.com] has joined #kubuntu === Chris_Note [n=no@stjhnf01-23-142163031231.nf.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [12:39] where is the applet for setting system preferred resolution? === _StarScream [n=am@81-178-240-82.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu === others [n=others@213-202-153-223.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #kubuntu === others [n=others@213-202-153-223.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:44] Chris_Note: if it's in xorg.conf, then you can use krandrtray [12:44] apokryphos: are you using hoary or breezy? [12:44] breezy [12:45] i386? [12:45] Unfortunately still, yes. If things had gone well, I'd be on my shiny new amd64 =) === Peaker [n=Peaker@cablep-179-82-211.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:45] I was wondering about it if became a little usable breezy [12:46] can you try something for me? [12:46] Hey, "unrar" fails to unrar a split-archive (.rar,.r00,.r01,...), any idea if it supports such? === sirlordt [n=sirlordt@200.109.128.73] has joined #kubuntu === yggdrasil [n=chrisb@cm-80.111.119.077.chello.no] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [12:46] thanks apokryphos [12:46] can you chan the layour to spanish and try to write accented lettre? [12:46] fromoze: it's usable, if you get past the gremlins [12:46] [12:47] I have no idea how to do any of that, really :) [12:47] the problem i get last try i do was that i can't write in spanish... that's not usable for me :) [12:47] that would be annoying, sure. [12:47] apokryphos: how do i tell the system to use this setup not just at logon, but at xorg start? [12:48] Distros tend to handle language issues/translations nearer the end though, no? [12:48] Chris_Note: in the kdm manager you mean? [12:48] apokryphos: crash again...wonder if has to do with playing kaffeine inside konqueror [12:48] yes [12:48] finally there're a update notifier on breezy? [12:48] Chris_Note: it should ideally use the default value set in xorg.conf, but if it doesn't, then you can always "force" the resolution by only having that one in xorg.conf [12:48] ztonzy: doubtful. Does it only crash on that/ [12:48] apokryphos no i mean how do i set what kdm uses [12:48] fromoze: for kde, I haven't noticed one yet, no. [12:49] i do not want to restrict available resolutions [12:49] Chris_Note: aka in the kdm manager [12:49] i want to change the default that kdm uses [12:49] all said above still applies [12:49] apokryphos: not only...first I closed that window...and got to another window and reloaded another site...crash [12:49] :( [12:49] no i mean the gui applet for it [12:50] krandrtray is a kde gui app; it has no power over kdm, really. [12:50] no i mean the gui for kdm config [12:50] where is it [12:50] it doesn't have one [12:51] you have to be kiddingf [12:51] only the splash screens/login manager you can alter [12:51] er, no, of course it doesn't. It takes the values from your X [12:52] "login manager" -- as in, the login manager theme [12:52] (i.e. any ones on kdelook.org) [12:52] ugh [12:52] i know about all of that [12:52] wwwwaaaaaaaah! [12:53] im talking about the default resolution EVERYTHIng uses, [12:53] s/,/. [12:54] Chris_Note: I'm not going to repeat myself; I already told you *exactly* what you're asking [12:54] Tm_T: sounds like time for tubby-bybye :P [12:55] err? [12:55] RRRAAH! [12:55] kill it! [12:55] f*ing fly is driving me crazy [12:56] does anybody here use proftpd? [12:56] ? [12:56] ftp ?! [12:56] I can't seem to figure out how to define specific folders for users [12:56] yes, ftp [12:57] ftp kicks ass [12:57] why ftp!? [12:57] why not ssh? [12:57] for file transfers === apokryphos prefers ssh or fish [12:57] because ssh is for secure transfers [12:57] not fast transfers [12:57] ftp is faster [12:57] and more reliable [12:57] not quite [12:57] xD [12:57] fatejudger: I've had the exact opposite [12:57] ftp transfers seem to stall from time-to-time [12:57] where the hell did the thread go [12:57] stall? [12:58] wrong window [12:58] well how in the hell do you send stuff over SSH? [12:58] fatejudger: scp [12:58] fatejudger: sftp / scp [12:58] fatejudger: though, for GUI I find fish slightly better, too. [12:58] ok [12:59] apokryphos: fish? [12:59] scp /some/file username@somedomain:/home/suthink/public_html/. [12:59] fatejudger: a Konqueror Kioslave [12:59] fatejudger: fish://username@domain.com [12:59] I don't see a package for that [12:59] err, ssh in KDE: easy [12:59] it comes with Konq [01:00] ? [01:00] Konqueror [01:00] how do I run it then? [01:00] it's a KIOslave, so... in Konqueror location bar, put the above [01:03] =) [01:03] apokryphos: why port does SSH run on? [01:04] 22 [01:04] as default === aftertaf [n=david@sara2lee.agns.fr] has joined #kubuntu === kogg [n=kogg@dsl-252-23.monet.no] has joined #kubuntu [01:05] Tm_T: thanks [01:06] np :) [01:06] is there a GUI SSH client for Windows? [01:07] hmm... I've got a compaq evo 500 usff, and sucsessfully installed kubuntu from the dvd on it... now, the control center won't allow me to change the resolution to anything higher than 640x480 :/ any suggestions? [01:07] fatejudger: yeah, putty's free [01:07] that's not really GUI though [01:07] f-prot's got one... [01:07] sec and I'll find a url [01:08] fatejudger: how about filezilla for example [01:08] Tm_T: filezilla has SSH GUI? [01:08] for filetransfer [01:09] but putty for any other meanings [01:09] ok [01:09] I don't see why you need GUI but only for filetransfer, so... [01:10] yeah [01:10] that's what I need it for [01:10] then you know what to do ;) [01:10] Tm_T: yeah, thanks [01:11] just if I can kill that bastard [01:11] ... === Aapzak [n=quido@ip44-163-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #kubuntu [01:15] anyone got a suggestion to what I can do to cvhange the screen resolution in kubuntu? [01:16] the dropdown list only shows 640x480 :/ [01:16] lol, everyone inhere has (Real Name) behind his/her nick. Take a look in #gentoo, I'm the only one :) [01:16] check your monitor settings in xorg.conf? [01:17] Aapzak: what you mean about real name & nick ? [01:18] nop, fresh install - will do that now, as I know where to look ;) === kogg is now known as Gilrim [01:19] the list is probably based on what is configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config [01:19] do you run xorg or xfree ? [01:19] Tm_T: yes [01:19] Tm_T: probably a Konversation option [01:19] whatever's default [01:20] the "section screen" lists tons of other resolutions at least.. [01:20] hash-sign is used for commenting out lines, right? [01:20] Aapzak: aah, I set my realname, because I don't afraid to show my real identity === john_ [n=john@ool-44c63ce7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:22] yes, it's funny how many here do that and how little Gentoo people [01:22] Gilrim: most of the times, yes [01:22] in amarok, it has like 100 copies of each of my songs. This is really causing lag and freezing, and i dont know how to fix it. In the folder where my music is it only has one copy of each song though... how do i stop it from doing this or clear out all the copies? [01:24] hmm, hwo do I check wherther I'm running xorg og xfree? [01:24] john_: dunno about that, I do know amarok does not like lots of files to handle, xmms does that a lot better [01:24] Gilrim: let me check ... [01:25] Aapzak: it tells something about gentooers ;--P [01:25] Tm_T: I'm a Gentooer [01:25] :) [01:25] yeah, so you know what I'm talking about then ] ;= [01:27] Aapzak: hmm... if your a gentooer, maybe you can explain how I can go about getting apache to do mod_rewrite? [01:27] my gallery2 installation won't accept it :/ [01:27] xD [01:28] [that's another computer, the web-server that's running gentoo] [01:29] indeed :) [01:29] dunno how to check whether X is xorg or xfree [01:29] find /etc/X11 |grep conf [01:29] Gilrim: you better ask an apacheer that question, I know very little of Apache [01:29] I run Apache, I run gallery2, whats the problem? === JeffAMcGee [n=jeff@host-66-205-125-240.classicnet.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:30] aaargh! [01:31] I hate flies [01:31] well, the gallery2 installation is fine, all in all, but I'm unable of getting mod rewrite working... php_info tell [01:31] Tm_T: rm -rf / [01:31] 's that it's installed and running [01:31] but g2 complains [01:32] apokryphos: yeah, that'll kill all flies from my room ] ;= === dabugas [n=dab@ipd249.217.tellas.gr] has joined #kubuntu [01:32] hi [01:33] i switched to kubuntu from ubuntu. is there any relatively painless way of removing the gnome desktop? [01:34] dabugas, you can keep both if you have the diskspace [01:34] i know [01:34] you never know whwn you might want to use a certain gnome app or whatever [01:34] dabugas: you can remove all gnome stuff if you remove some core-ish gtk stuff [01:34] but i want to be able to apt-get dist-upgrade and i have a 33.6 dial-up connection :( [01:34] dabugas: or to get *only* kubuntu, use debfoster. [01:35] I don't have gnome installed either [01:35] Gilrim: dunno what you should do, I dunno about mod_rewrite, you should check the forum [01:35] search synaptic for gnome [01:35] libgnomeui will take almost the whole thing with it [01:36] I've installed the uninstalled it on this box. [01:36] i'll try this... [01:36] debfoster also looks useful i didn't know about it [01:36] I kept a few things though [01:36] in any case, i just want to get rid of gnome not gtk (because of gimp and a cpl of other things) [01:36] and synaptic [01:37] which I prefer to kynaptic [01:37] i dunno. i just use apt-get and apt-cache [01:37] I also kept gnome-games, I prefer some of them [01:37] dabugas: keeping that system up to date on a 33.6 modem will be almost impossible [01:37] If you get a firefox update you'll be downloading for hours [01:37] I dunno if we can see somewhere what fixes have been released after the last big release? [01:37] Tm_T: it complains about you missing lists? [01:38] Man I was on dialup forever. My lines got to the point where my top speed was ~1.6kbps [01:38] I have big lagg here [01:38] apokryphos: yes [01:38] not really. firefox is only 8-9 MBs which is like 40 minutes [01:38] Still no cable or DSL where I'm at. [01:38] Tm_T: what exactly is the error message? [01:38] I have evdo from Verizon [01:38] never heard of that [01:39] apokryphos: I know what problem is, apt-get update will fix it, but I can't do it right now === dabugas is screwing up his system... === Aapzak feels sorry for dabugas [01:41] well good luck dabugas [01:41] the alternative was studying so i took the lesser of two evils :-> [01:41] gtg sleep, cu around ... [01:43] apokryphos: I can't get package lists because that pc doesn't have internet connection :/ [01:43] so it's whining about them =) [01:44] Yah, figured. [01:44] irritating [01:44] I know there's tons of cool updates, but I can't get em [01:45] along with gnomeui i also remove gdm (which is fine), how do i set up kdm as the default? === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu [01:45] if there's no gdm, kdm is default(?) [01:45] dabugas, it should do it automatically [01:45] dabugas: ...if it doesn't: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm [01:45] gah, my eyes are going funny [01:46] i did dpkg-reconfigure kdm but i get a "fail," prolly because gdm is still running as a procces? [01:46] nikkia: turn the flashy image soff ;-) [01:46] nikkia: it's just me, don't be afraid [01:46] dabugas: is kdm installed? [01:46] yeah [01:47] you should be able to switch to make it default anyhow [01:47] nevermind; it will use it as default [01:47] * Reloading K Display Manager configuration... [fail] [01:47] invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed. [01:47] (sorry for minor flood) [01:47] try re-doing when you're out of X, i gues [01:47] though if gdm doesn't exist, I'm quite sure it'll use kdm [01:47] not that worried :) just wonderin' [01:49] apokryphos: its trying to read all this technical junk :P === dabugas will try out kdm & be back === dabugas [n=dab@ipd186.216.tellas.gr] has joined #kubuntu [02:01] ok, so gnome is more or less out [02:01] how can i remove x programs that duplicate kde ones, for example xcalc? === krawek [n=krawek@200.24.116.192] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] just apt-get remove foo [02:05] as usual [02:06] i was thinking of a more massive approach [02:07] although i'm being a little stingy here :) [02:08] dabugas: then you can always use | to get more stuff in line ;p [02:09] hehehe [02:10] like apt-cache search stuff | grep stuff | apt-get remove %s (or what it was) [02:11] i'm asking for it, i know. i'm using debfoster now. i think this will break up my system just a little bit slower :) [02:12] haha === dabugas just freed 80 MB of stuff he prolly needs [02:16] is there any way to dist-upgrade only the important priority packages? [02:17] define 'important' [02:17] if you can define the packages you actually want, just do update then apt-get install package1 package2 .... [02:18] (I agree it would be more logical to enter apt-get upgrade package1 package2....) [02:18] definition: well, packages have priority (if you apt-cache show adduser, for example you see that he has priority: important, not optional) [02:19] that sounds like it'd be a job for dpkg, grep , awk, sed and bash :) === _hettar is now known as hettar [02:19] I guess you're on dialup or something equally slow and evil/ [02:19] ? [02:19] not evil, exactly. but definately satanic. [02:20] 33.6 modem [02:20] not good enough for evil. [02:20] pain. [02:20] thank god i got somebody to d/l the latest kubuntu === _krawek [n=krawek@200.24.113.195] has joined #kubuntu [02:35] funny: debfoster asked me if i wanted to keep debfoster... === calilasseia [n=calilass@cpc2-runc1-6-0-cust116.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu === frogtone25 [n=frogtone@pcp01030724pcs.dothan01.al.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:39] i need help with something [02:39] Hello ... [02:40] when i play my movies on here i cant see a picture [02:40] but i can hear the sound [02:40] i have all my codecs [02:40] but i dont know whats wrong [02:40] Quick introduction ... I've just installed Kubuntu... and I'mcompletely new to this .... [02:41] Anyone who can help .... couple of things need sorting ... [02:41] so can anyone help me out [02:41] frogtone25: Do you have w32codecs from marillat installed? [02:41] yeah [02:41] frogtone25: Ah well, that's the only useful advice I have on the matter :/ [02:41] its in a win32 folder in my /usr/lib part [02:41] well how do you delete them [02:42] so i can reinstall them [02:42] apt-get --purge remove w32codecs ? [02:42] ok [02:42] First of all I've just downloaded the Firefox installer tar.gz ... [02:43] Thing is, I need to know how to install it in such a way that multiple users on the system can run it ... [02:43] I take it this means intalling it as root ... [02:43] calilasseia: whoo let me stop you there - no need.. firefox is already packaged (along with thousands of other software packages) === libben [i=libben@c80-216-85-170.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #kubuntu [02:43] no need to use tarballs [02:43] Right ... so where do I get the package? [02:43] calilasseia: go to the K menu -> System -> Kynaptic [02:43] mozilla-firefox should be listed there [02:44] Right ... === _P_ [n=princosc@host-84-220-136-54.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #kubuntu ["Hello,] [02:44] if not, browse to /etc/apt and right click on sources.list.. then Actions -> Edit as root [02:44] type /your/ password in, and remove the # from the start ofthe "universe" line [02:44] then run kynaptic again, and press the Update button - that will show you /lots/ more packages [02:45] one Q, when u install kubuntu ? are you able to choose what to get ? i used ubuntu eaerlier and got alot of things that i dident want. [02:45] Right ... Kynaptic is up and running ... [02:45] libben: the default install will install packages that are useful for most people, in order to minimise the number of questions required to install (to make the install easier) [02:45] libben: If you are concerned about disk space, simply remove unwanted packages afterwards [02:46] I've got something called mozilla-firefox-en-gb or similar ... since I'm UK based I take it that's the one I want ... [02:46] calilasseia: Yeh, that'll drag in any dependencies needed including FF itself [02:46] no thats not a problem... im just a phreak on having it clean and light [02:46] So I just double click on it ??? [02:46] they should make it with a sub menu to choose what to get. [02:46] then it would be even more great =) [02:47] Oh to save typing just abbreviate me to "Cali" ... everyone else on bulletin boards does :) [02:47] anyway, i just wanted to hear if kubuntu implemented such a thing for it? cause i understand that kubuntu is exactly the same, just that it uses kde instead of gnome. [02:47] There's a long history behind the name choice I won't bore you with here :) [02:47] libben: You heard right :) [02:48] calilasseia: Any decent IRC client (including Konversation) supports tab completion.. I just type "cal" and press TAB.. andit completes your nickname and adds a colon + a space [02:48] I liked ubuntu, but i want it wit kde. but i dont want the fuzz.... but i want the autoupdating thing and all that. [02:49] Wow ... something else to make me ditch Windows ... [02:49] im thinking of doing simple debian install and add kde and the things i want. [02:49] libben: There is no 'auto update manager' system tray icon for KDE like there is for GNOME (the windows update-style thing) [02:49] k, so what u have then? =) [02:49] libben: At present there's Kynaptic, a very simplistic version of 'Synaptic' [02:49] So I just double click on the package name and it installs automatically? [02:50] Adept may be the new manager in breezy... see the topic for more info [02:50] Synaptic is only gnome based ? [02:50] libben: gtk-based. you can use it without gnome. [02:50] libben: well, it's just a GTK app, but generally yeh [02:50] same as you can run KDE (Qt) apps on GNOME... [02:50] they just break the 'look-and-feel' [02:50] so why isnt synaptic in kubuntu then? [02:51] libben: Why isn't Konversation in GNOME? :) [02:51] etc. etc. [02:51] =) [02:51] but isnt synaptic better app? [02:51] in ur own oppinion? [02:51] neither are better than Konsole, IMO :) [02:52] true. im console lover to... but sometimes its more easy for the eyes to find what ure looking for in a gui [02:52] Kynaptic does a simple job reasonably well. [02:52] Realistically it only needs a 'add universe + multiverse' option. [02:52] and likely 'add marillat' ... [02:53] so whats the deal with kubuntu then? why not just run debian and install kde and the things u want? [02:53] I just selected "Reinstall" then "Commit Marked Changes" ... [02:53] Ubuntu releases every six months. [02:53] hardware support is more timely [02:53] Don't see anything happening ... [02:54] desktop integration is much tighter [02:54] is this the same for kubuntu? [02:54] libben: Kubuntu *IS* Ubuntu, just a different set of default packages [02:54] I gathered that from the website ... same kernel and base level apps, just a different desktop ... [02:55] yeah... i know that. but u miss autoupdate, u miss ff, and so on... its not that its kde instead of gnome... its more diffrent than u first think [02:55] autoupdate is a small omission. FF is mostly unnecessary with Konqueror [02:55] Well thus far it's installed beautifully ... and found my net connection in an instant when Windows dismally failed to do so [02:56] well, manys favorite chocis is ff. and konqueror is big also [02:56] KDE is big - a desktop environment is big by nature :) [02:56] Thing is though I'm a Firefox fan too, and I don't know how to integrate Macromedia Flash with Konqueror ... [02:56] GNOME is bigger in my experience.. [02:56] Whichis another reason why I'm trying to install Firefox ... [02:56] calilasseia: you need the 'multiverse' repository [02:57] apt-get install firefox [02:57] for the flashplayer-mozilla package [02:57] Wonderful, another nice steep learning curve ... [02:57] calilasseia: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ [02:58] most of this carries through to Kubuntu [02:58] Taking a look now ... [02:58] i know that ubuntu is updated every 6 months. but that is also autoupdating... how is it for kubuntu? u gotta check for urself all the time? [02:59] libben: Correct. hoary was the first Kubuntu release. there is still much work to do. === flugh [n=jim@pool-70-22-51-173.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:59] so ubuntu is more updated the kubuntu today? [02:59] +n [03:00] no. the official release for both is 5.04 - they release at the same time [03:00] 5.10 in October will also happen simultaneously for Kub and Ub [03:00] but the update will work how for kubuntu? [03:00] via kynaptic I expect [03:01] manually by console or the simplier gui [03:01] since it's only a frontend to 'apt-get dist-upgrade' [03:01] in the same way that synaptic + the GNOME 'update manager' are === ToyMan [n=stuq@user-12lcqia.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:01] yeah... [03:01] hmm.. [03:02] I want the mac feel. the menu at bottom wich gets magnified a bit when scrolled over... but im told that kde is more nice then gnome... ive used ubuntu over a month with gnome... and it was ok.. but i missed something. [03:02] the feeling wasnt really right [03:02] Hmm ... so I've got to dive in and edit lots of text files then issue commands in a console window ??? [03:03] Going to take longer than I thought ... [03:03] calilasseia just in the beggning [03:03] calilasseia: Like we said, Kynaptic is a basic app. Synaptic does all that in menus... === dabugas [n=dab@ipd129.216.tellas.gr] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] feel free to install it .. from Kynaptic :) [03:03] after a while... ur getting understanding linux. [03:03] Ah right ... [03:03] Had a feeling something would crop up to make my life difficult :) [03:03] apt-get install Synaptic [03:03] libben: Buy a Mac, in that case. :) don't dress up mutton as lamb.. [03:04] lower case 's' - all case-sensitive [03:04] Hang on let's give this a try ... [03:04] better check what really to type, apt-cache search synaptic | grep synaptic === dabugas wonders: can i delete all orphaned libraries found through debfoster without breaking the system? [03:05] gdh never =) [03:05] right,it's time for bed :) [03:05] nna [03:05] mac is shite. but ive allways fancy the menu [03:05] Ah, dear old "man" ... something familiar :) [03:06] nn [03:06] ZzzZz [03:08] Well that was fun ... [03:08]

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