[02:54] <klepas> moin
[03:57] <klepas> :-)
[03:57] <volvoguy> howdy klepas.
[03:57] <klepas> :-)
[03:57] <klepas> how's it going?
[03:58] <volvoguy> oh, not too bad. i've been in bed most of the day. 
[03:59] <klepas> back aches?
[03:59] <volvoguy> yeah. rough day. 
[04:00] <klepas> damn
[04:00] <volvoguy> i've opted for a tasty shiraz red wine tonight instead of drugs. seems to be working so far. 
[04:01] <klepas> found the most pleasant message in my inbox yesterday
[04:01] <klepas> ;-)
[04:01] <klepas> i did a splash screen for my favourite music manager under KDE - JuK
[04:01] <klepas> I sent it to the dev - Scott Wheeler
[04:01] <klepas> and he loved it
[04:01] <volvoguy> cool!
[04:02] <klepas> will be included in KDE 3.5, and possibly 4 as well
[04:02] <klepas> the other cool thing is that JuK never had a splash screen before
[04:02] <klepas> so i think i started something here - the next one will be determined via a competition
[04:03] <klepas> did you see - GNOME 2.12 is looking for a new splash?
[04:03] <miketech> Hi
[04:03] <klepas> moin miketech
[04:04] <volvoguy> well, i know ubuntu is going to try to have a new GDM spash screen for Breezy. 
[04:04] <klepas> btw - volvo - you can see it [JuK splash]  - http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/51
[04:05] <klepas> cool
[04:05] <klepas> i'm interested in making the background or something like that
[04:05] <klepas> GDM is only the login though - there would have to be a GDM theme and a splash screen
[04:05] <klepas> unless i am mistaken
[04:06] <miketech> there is a gnome 2.12. splash screen contest at the moment
[04:06] <klepas> yep
[04:06] <klepas> http://art.gnome.org
[04:06] <miketech> yup
[04:06] <klepas> entries due in today
[04:07] <klepas> not going to make that deadline :-(
[04:08] <volvoguy> howdy miketech.
[04:08] <klepas> miketech: are you putting in an entry?
[04:08] <miketech> no
[04:08] <miketech> i am not a good artist :)
[04:08] <klepas> hehe
[04:08] <klepas> how about you volvoguy?
[04:09] <volvoguy> i'll be working on Ubuntu stuff. probably not Gnome branded artwork though.
[04:10] <klepas> :-)
[04:10] <klepas> i can't wait for art.ubuntu.com to be up
[04:11] <miketech> yeah ive seen the test system
[04:11] <miketech> very nice
[04:11] <volvoguy> it's up, more or less. the submissions just aren't making it to the website at the moment.
[04:11] <volvoguy> hey miketech, is the art.gnome.org website code alone enough to make the ubuntu repository in your gnome-art app?
[04:12] <miketech> hm gnome-art currently only supports one server
[04:12] <miketech> if you wanna use it for ubuntu you have to change the url in gnome-art
[04:12] <miketech> and copy the xml.php from art.gnome.org
[04:12] <miketech> then it should work
[04:12] <volvoguy> ok. i wasn't sure if you talked to the MySQL database directly or if we have to wait for all the SOAP stuff you told me about.
[04:13] <miketech> currently we are using mysql database directly
[04:13] <miketech> but via xml file
[04:13] <miketech> on AGO there is a xml.php that returns xml code, that is parsed by gnome-art
[04:13] <klepas> i'm going to afk for a while
[04:13] <klepas> talk to you guys later
[04:13] <volvoguy> oh. that's not a huge change then. i don't know if gnome-art is going to be in the main repository for breezy, but if it is i'll pass along those changes. 
[04:13] <klepas> cheers
[04:14] <volvoguy> see ya later klepas!
[04:14] <miketech> cu klepas 
[04:14] <miketech> ok i can show you, where to change it
[04:14] <volvoguy> will it work if our database isn't generating  an xml file though?
[04:15] <miketech> no, xml.php is the interface for gnome-art
[04:15] <volvoguy> ahh. gotcha. 
[04:15] <miketech> its a very simple file
[04:15] <volvoguy> ok. if it's easy, give me a run through. 
[04:15] <volvoguy> i just have ssh access to my breezy machine ATM, but i can demo the GUI later. 
[04:15] <miketech> ok, you simply have to copy the xml.php from AGO to your server
[04:16] <volvoguy> let's see... does wget parse the php file when in grabs it? 
[04:16] <miketech> yup
[04:17] <miketech> do you have cvs access to AGO?
[04:17] <volvoguy> no. our server guy is the only one working with AGO directly at the moment. 
[04:17] <miketech> ok wait
[04:17] <volvoguy> if he got the code from CVS though, he might already have it. 
[04:18] <volvoguy> yep. there's an xml.php file sitting in the site's root directory.
[04:18] <miketech> ah ok
[04:18] <miketech> ah yeah its working *g*
[04:19] <volvoguy> i'm *not* a php guru though by any means. do i need to make any changes? 
[04:19] <miketech> hm well the problem is:
[04:19] <miketech> art.ubuntu.com has different categories
[04:19] <miketech> and the categories arent dynamically at the moment
[04:19] <volvoguy> yes. 
[04:20] <volvoguy> it looks like he added the new categories at the top of the php file already. does that help?
[04:20] <miketech> hm no, this means many changes in gnome-art
[04:21] <miketech> because the current version of gnome-art doesnt support categories dynamically
[04:21] <volvoguy> i finally have sudo priviledges on our server. i went almost a week trying to make changes to things before i realized they hadn't given me access yet. 
[04:21] <miketech> you can use your xml file, but i dont know, what will happen
[04:21] <volvoguy> ooooh. i gotcha.
[04:22] <volvoguy> would it be easy for me to grab gnome-art out of cvs and make the changes and compile it myself? 
[04:22] <miketech> hm no, there are many changes needed :(
[04:23] <miketech> its easy to change the path of the xml file
[04:23] <miketech> but then your categories arent working
[04:23] <volvoguy> i see. 
[04:23] <miketech> but you can try it of course
[04:23] <miketech> maybe some categories will work
[04:24] <volvoguy> i think the app is only in Ubuntu's universe, so it wouldn't make it into breezy even if it were working correctly. 
[04:24] <miketech> ah ok
[04:24] <volvoguy> ok. i'll see what i can do over the weekend. is it in gnome's cvs system?
[04:24] <miketech> no
[04:24] <miketech> miketech.net/gnome-art
[04:24] <volvoguy> k.
[04:25] <miketech> here you can download the source code
[04:25] <miketech> i can tell you what you have to change:
[04:25] <miketech> in lib/gnome-art you will find a file:
[04:25] <miketech> config.rb
[04:25] <volvoguy> k
[04:25] <miketech> there is a line:    XML_File = "http://art.gnome.org/xml.php"
[04:26] <miketech> change it to:     XML_File = "http://http://69.60.114.112/xml.php"
[04:26] <miketech> oops
[04:26] <miketech> http://69.60.114.112/xml.php
[04:26] <miketech> you know :)
[04:26] <volvoguy> :) yep
[04:26] <miketech> then it should work with the old categories
[04:26] <miketech> maybe backgrounds are working
[04:26] <miketech> maybe some icons
[04:27] <miketech> its a ruby script
[04:27] <miketech> if you have already installed it you can change the code directly
[04:27] <miketech> the file should be installed in a ruby-dir, maybe /usr/lib/ruby/site-ruby/1.8/gnome-art/config.rb
[04:27] <volvoguy> yep. i have it installed. 
[04:28] <volvoguy> found it.
[04:31] <volvoguy> k. changed it. 
[04:32] <volvoguy> my job for the evening was to submit some artwork, so i probably can't test it until there's some conten there. :)
[04:32] <miketech> there are 3 backgrounds
[04:32] <volvoguy> oh. cool. henrik must have been busy today!
[04:32] <miketech> but you should take a look at the xml file
[04:33] <miketech> maybe you have to change some urls in there
[04:33] <miketech> replacing art.gnome.org with your url
[04:33] <volvoguy> ok. i'll check it out. just changing that one URL didn't seem to do it. 
[04:34] <miketech> but nice to see the art.gnome.org software running
[04:34] <miketech> because when soap is continue working we simply can migrate it on art.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <volvoguy> yeah. i guess henrik has done a good amount of talking to the AGO guys and they're going to keep the sites as similar as possible.
[04:35] <miketech> but currently everyone is on vacation *g*
[04:35] <miketech> yup i have read the threads on the mailinglist
[04:35] <volvoguy> yes. :) except me who's always on vacation... well, kinda. 
[04:35] <miketech> lol
[04:35] <miketech> we have some nice mockups of new gnome-art
[04:36] <miketech> but only mockups
[04:36] <volvoguy> i joke - but take my advice. don't ever do anything at a job that could injure you. 
[04:36] <miketech> hm
[04:36] <miketech> maybe its too late ...
[04:36] <miketech> but i will remember it for the future :)
[04:36] <volvoguy> you showed me a couple of them, and i passed 'em along to Jeff Waugh (still the "big cheese" as far as art goes). 
[04:36] <volvoguy> hehe
[04:37] <miketech> i am always working a lot
[04:37] <volvoguy> it turns out that i'm probably lucky they've treated me so badly. there's a good chance i'll win a big lawsuit when it's all over. 
[04:38] <miketech> hm??
[04:38] <miketech> what has happened?
[04:38] <volvoguy> i know that all the art people i've taled to are excited about the whole "artwork repository" idea. i'm sure it'll make it into ubuntu main eventually.
[04:39] <volvoguy> oh, my employer really hassled me about it initially, stopped paying me for a while, sent me to about a half dozen of "their doctors" who all claimed i was fine - and they're still holding back paychecks on weeks that i have end of the week doc appointments. 
[04:40] <miketech> uargs
[04:40] <volvoguy> they were ready to dump me and send me back to work this week until my doctor told them i'll be needing major surgery that requires a year of recovery time.
[04:40] <miketech> sounds terrible
[04:41] <miketech> i wish you good luck with your lawsuit
[04:42] <volvoguy> it has been, but i think it'll work to my advantage in the end. 
[04:42] <volvoguy> thanks!
[04:43] <miketech> oh i see.. i should go to bed 
[04:43] <miketech> here it is nearly 5 am
[04:43] <volvoguy> well hey, i need to go spend some time on my other ubuntu project (the laptop testing team). 
[04:43] <volvoguy> perfect timing. :)
[04:43] <miketech> oh laptopt testing team?
[04:43] <volvoguy> have a good night. i'll let you know how i get along with gnome-art.
[04:43] <volvoguy> yeah. they gave me a laptop to do hardware testing with.
[04:44] <miketech> but top priority is your health
[04:44] <miketech> ubuntu "only" is a hobby
[04:44] <volvoguy> yes. :)
[04:44] <miketech> youve got a laptop??
[04:44] <volvoguy> the red wine seems to be effective tonight. :)
[04:44] <miketech> lol
[04:44] <volvoguy> yeah. Canonical sent me a really new Toshiba laptop.
[04:45] <miketech> canonical has too much money :))
[04:45] <volvoguy> really new meaning it won't work properly even with breezy yet. :)
[04:45] <volvoguy> hey, i'm not complaining. :)
[04:45] <miketech> oh *g*
[04:45] <miketech> hehe :)
[04:45] <volvoguy> it means i can work from the couch. 
[04:45] <miketech> but ubuntu is going a good way
[04:46] <miketech> i have it installed now too
[04:46] <miketech> on my desktop system
[04:46] <volvoguy> yes. i really like their whole philosophy - as well as the software - and Mark is a really great guy. 
[04:46] <miketech> do you know him?
[04:46] <volvoguy> just from talking to him on IRC and email. 
[04:47] <miketech> ah ok
[04:47] <volvoguy> i'll make it to a conference one of these days though. 
[04:47] <miketech> well you are really with ubuntu *g*
[04:47] <miketech> + involved
[04:48] <volvoguy> yep. i'm sold. it's the first distro i've actually been able to do work with and not just "play" with. 
[04:48] <miketech> hehe yeah
[04:48] <volvoguy> (and that's after nearly 10 years of Linux involvement)!
[04:49] <miketech> and the poeple love it
[04:49] <miketech> we distributed over 1000 cds on the "linux tag" in germany within 4 days
[04:49] <volvoguy> excellent! i just grabbed the knoppix the other day that was released at linux tag. 
[04:50] <miketech> ah. its a nice way to do some recovery stuff. but i dont like it as a desktop system *g*
[04:50] <volvoguy> it *ahem* recognized all the hardware in my laptop. i'm trying to use that to motivate the ubuntu devs. :)
[04:50] <miketech> hehe yeah 
[04:50] <volvoguy> me too.
[04:50] <miketech> the hardware recognition is really good
[04:51] <miketech> but its bloated
[04:51] <volvoguy> yeah. REALLY good. breezy doesn't even recognize that there's a hard drive or video card in my laptop.
[04:51] <miketech> not even the hard drive?
[04:51] <miketech> thats hard *g*
[04:52] <volvoguy> at least knoppix is really "pretty". i use the DVD often to show off the state of the linux desktop.
[04:52] <volvoguy> well, it's an SATA drive connected to a RAID controller. yes. in a laptop. :)
[04:52] <miketech> wow :)
[04:52] <volvoguy> it'll rock when i finally get Ubuntu installed. :)
[04:53] <miketech> canonical really does have to much money :)
[04:53] <volvoguy> :)
[04:53] <miketech> i am interested in breez
[04:53] <miketech> y
[04:53] <miketech> tried to installed it, but didnt boot :)
[04:53] <volvoguy> i'm trying to make myself useful enough that they'll want to hire me when my back is fixed. :)
[04:53] <volvoguy> breezy is still pretty rough around the edges. 
[04:53] <miketech> you wanna work for canonical?
[04:54] <miketech> nice :)
[04:54] <volvoguy> i have a fully functioning desktop machine, but it was a hoary to breezy upgrade.
[04:54] <volvoguy> i'd love to.
[04:54] <miketech> hehe yeah why not
[04:54] <volvoguy> especially if i could move. i always thought i was born on the wrong continent. 
[04:54] <miketech> where are you coming from?
[04:55] <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan, usa.
[04:55] <volvoguy> and i drive european cars. :)
[04:55] <miketech> ah and where is the registered office of canonical?
[04:55] <miketech> hehe :) 
[04:55] <volvoguy> the isle of man. an island between ireland and england i believe. 
[04:56] <miketech> ah you dont like usa?
[04:56] <volvoguy> well, i don't like detroit. 
[04:56] <miketech> the last time ive been there i was maybe 12 years old :)
[04:57] <miketech> a long time ago :)
[04:57] <miketech> oh well i really have to go *g*
[04:57] <volvoguy> the auto capital of the world and the roads are so bad you hesitate to drive on them sometimes. way too much money around here crammed into way too little space. 
[04:57] <volvoguy> ah yes. :)
[04:57] <volvoguy> have a good night. :)
[04:58] <miketech> thanks :) and good luck! good night
[04:58] <volvoguy> g'night. :)
[06:00] <klepas|afk> still there?
[06:32] (klepas/#ubuntu-artwork) :-)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:30] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't want to flood the other channel
[08:30] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:30] <klepas> hey
[08:35] <volvoguy> ahh yes. i already got yelled at once in there for going off topic. (if nobody has spoken in 30 minutes, how can 3 sentences be off topic?) :-P
[08:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:36] <volvoguy> by next week we should have an ubuntu-ized version of the art.gnome.org website up and running. 
[08:37] <volvoguy> hopefully we'll get a flood of good artwork that we can quickly tweak and promote as official breezy artwork. 
[08:37] <jsgotangco> sure there will be submissions
[08:38] <jsgotangco> the forums has been flooded with that (backgrounds and stuff)
[08:38] <jsgotangco> even usplash
[08:38] <volvoguy> yes. there's a pretty fair amount of ubuntu specific artwork up at gnome-look.org as well. 
[08:38] <volvoguy> i think our own art site will be really popular. 
[08:39] <jsgotangco> where are you hosting it?
[08:40] <volvoguy> honestly, i don't know. a canonical person named Henrik did most of the "porting" and it's set up on a colocated machine instead of at Canonical's facilities. 
[08:43] <volvoguy> it's kinda cool to have a sudo account on a production server running Ubuntu. :) i'm stuck with RHEL on my own colo box. 
[08:46] <volvoguy> well hey, i'm going to go have a bedtime snack and see if a real WinXP disc works better on this laptop. drop by here anytime though. the more the merrier. :o)
[08:47] <volvoguy> g'night all! 
[08:48] <jsgotangco> laters
[08:49] <klepas> drat
[08:49] <klepas> just missed em
[11:11] <klepas> anyone awake at this uncanny hour?
[11:11] <klepas> :)
[12:56] <klepas> anyone home?
[01:00] <klepas> :(
[10:26] <Ju> Hi all !
[10:26] <Ju> I"m looking for the ubuntu logo in svg format...
[10:53] <lukacu> hi Ju! try this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
[10:58] <Ju>  /o\ sorry one hundred times, google didn't show this one... Thanks for the link...
[11:00] <lukacu> no problem