[12:02] <nikkia> AgentOrange: don't use GUI apps with sudo
[12:02] <nikkia> use kdesu to start a GUI app as root
[12:03] <AgentOrange> im just going by what the page tells me to
[12:03] <AgentOrange> i have no linux knowledge what-so-ever
[12:03] <AgentOrange> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:03] <AgentOrange> yes, im the noob everyone dreads
[12:04] <AgentOrange> so i replace sudo with kdesu?
[12:05] <nikkia> ubuntuguide contains some really bad advice, you're better off using the official wiki
[12:05] <nikkia> AgentOrange: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  will work, yes
[12:07] <AgentOrange> nice
[12:07] <AgentOrange> that worked perfectly
[12:07] <AgentOrange> thank you nikkia 
[12:24] <ilba7r> anyone using fluxbox
[12:24] <Tm_T> sometimes yes
[12:25] <AgentOrange> so i edited my /etc/apt/sources.list as said on http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:25] <AgentOrange> then did sudo apt-get update
[12:25] <AgentOrange> everything updated perfectly
[12:26] <AgentOrange> but then when i do sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:26] <AgentOrange> (http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla)
[12:26] <AgentOrange> i get
[12:26] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-install
[12:26] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:26] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:26] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-install
[12:29] <Xorlev> AgentOrange: You tried to install flashplayer-install from what I can see from that paste.
[12:29] <AgentOrange> yeah i did
[12:29] <Xorlev> Its flashplayer-mozilla.
[12:30] <AgentOrange> er wait
[12:30] <AgentOrange> wrong paste
[12:30] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:30] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:30] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:30] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[12:30] <AgentOrange> sorry lol
[12:30] <Xorlev> You have the multiverse and backports?
[12:31] <Xorlev> You need the multiverse for flashplayer-mozilla.
[12:31] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:31] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:31] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:31] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[12:31] <AgentOrange> i updated the er
[12:31] <AgentOrange> sorry
[12:32] <AgentOrange> i edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:32] <AgentOrange> then sudo apt-get update
[12:32] <Xorlev> Did you do an exact paste from ubuntuguide?
[12:32] <AgentOrange> yes
[12:33] <Xorlev> If not, rm it, and make a new one.
[12:33] <AgentOrange> i will try again
[12:33] <Xorlev> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <Xorlev> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <Xorlev> Or you could use kate or whatever to edit it.
[12:35] <AgentOrange> Fetched 3998kB in 20s (193kB/s)
[12:35] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:35] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:35] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:35] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[12:37] <AgentOrange> just tried codecs (which were downloaded with the update also)
[12:37] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[12:37] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:37] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:37] <AgentOrange> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:37] <AgentOrange> worked great
[12:37] <Xorlev> Hmm
[12:38] <AgentOrange> maybe the link for that package is dead?
[12:38] <AgentOrange> seems to be missing..
[12:39] <Xorlev> I'll try reinstalling it
[12:40] <Xorlev> Just downloaded for me.
[12:40] <Xorlev> I'll make a paste of my /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:41] <AgentOrange> pm please
[12:41] <AgentOrange> dont wanna flood chan
[12:43] <Xorlev> http://pastebin.com/354765
[12:47] <AgentOrange> nice
[12:47] <AgentOrange> thank you
[12:48] <Xorlev> Ack, accidentally pasted the end of the other one too
[12:48] <AgentOrange> yeah
[12:48] <Xorlev> Paste from line 30 onwards.
[12:49] <AgentOrange> that last line isnt on the the site
[12:49] <AgentOrange> either
[12:49] <Xorlev> Thats because that guide assumes Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
[12:49] <AgentOrange> oh shoot
[12:49] <AgentOrange> i didnt realize that
[12:50] <Xorlev> They're the same distro, except Kubuntu has KDE, which is why I added the source for KDE packages.
[12:51] <AgentOrange> gotcha
[12:51] <AgentOrange> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release powerpc (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[12:51] <AgentOrange> is the first line of my source.list
[12:51] <AgentOrange> i left it there because im not sure what thats for
[12:51] <AgentOrange> could that be effecting any updates?
[12:52] <Xorlev> Thats the CD-ROM, but I doubt it.
[12:53] <Xorlev> Did my sources not help?
[12:53] <AgentOrange> i just updated
[12:53] <AgentOrange> 1 sec
[12:54] <AgentOrange> hrm
[12:54] <AgentOrange> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[12:54] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:54] <AgentOrange> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_hoary-kde342_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:54] <AgentOrange> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_hoary-kde342_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:54] <AgentOrange> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:54] <AgentOrange> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:55] <AgentOrange> and also
[12:55] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:55] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:55] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:55] <AgentOrange> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_hoary-kde342_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:55] <AgentOrange> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:55] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[12:55] <Xorlev> Comment out the kubuntu line and reupdate then.
[12:58] <AgentOrange> commented it out
[12:58] <AgentOrange> updated
[12:58] <AgentOrange> Fetched 4B in 1s (2B/s)
[12:58] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:58] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:58] <AgentOrange> Reading package lists... Done
[12:58] <AgentOrange> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:58] <AgentOrange> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[12:58] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$                        
[12:59] <AgentOrange> :(
[12:59] <Xorlev> Hmm...
[12:59] <AgentOrange> i hate being a noob
[12:59] <Xorlev> Its not n00bism thats the problem methinks.
[01:00] <AgentOrange> well i could probably troubleshoot this on my own if i wasnt a noob
[01:00] <AgentOrange> instead of wasting your time
[01:00] <AgentOrange> lol
[01:01] <Xorlev> I'm bored to death anyways, my kernel is recompiling.
[01:02] <Xorlev> I'll download the flashplayer-mozilla .deb and let you download it, but you're on your own for any dependencys.
[01:08] <Xorlev> No idea why your doesn't work
[01:11] <AgentOrange> weird,,
[02:10] <AgentOrange> i was instructed to go to System -> Preferences -> Sound
[02:10] <AgentOrange> but K Menu -> System only shows a hand full of apps
[02:10] <AgentOrange> no Prefrences tree
[02:15] <crimsun> System> Preferences> Sound is a GNOMEism
[02:16] <AgentOrange> ahh
[02:16] <crimsun> it's placed differently in KDE
[02:16] <Tm_T> =)
[02:16] <AgentOrange> i can get to sound from the control center
[02:18] <AgentOrange> reboot
[02:18] <AgentOrange> brb
[02:20] <_john_> hey, how do you configure the nvidia settings?
[02:20] <_john_> i installed nvidia-glz
[02:20] <_john_> *glx
[02:20] <_john_> but how do i configure it?
[02:31] <AgentOrange> im trying to access a network shared folder
[02:31] <AgentOrange> the folder is called "My files"
[02:31] <AgentOrange> but when i put in smb://192.168.0.1/my files
[02:32] <AgentOrange> bash: smb://192.168.0.11/my: No such file or directory
[02:32] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$
[02:33] <usrx> my\ files
[02:33] <usrx> oh
[02:34] <usrx> not from a console
[02:34] <usrx> try typing that into konqueror
[02:37] <AgentOrange> doh
[02:41] <flugh> how can i delete all messages from kmail? where's it stuffed at?
[02:41] <flugh> ugh, sorry. guess it's ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail :)
[02:46] <AgentOrange> whats the keyboard shortcut to swap between desktops?
[02:46] <usrx> ctrl+tab
[02:46] <usrx> ctrl+shift+tab to go the other way
[02:47] <AgentOrange> thank you
[02:47] <usrx> np
[02:53] <_john_> hey, how do i install quake 2 on kubuntu?
[02:53] <_john_> I have my quake II cd
[02:53] <_john_> and all the expansions, big fan >_<
[02:54] <_john_> eh... ill just check the uber guide in ubuntu gaming.
[02:56] <AgentOrange> how do you pronounce ubuntu
[02:56] <AgentOrange> oo-bun-two?
[02:58] <crimsun> oo boon too
[02:59] <usrx> oo-BOON-too
[02:59] <usrx> yes
[03:09] <anaccount> quick question folks
[03:11] <anaccount> IS this romm alive at all?
[03:11] <anaccount> room*
[03:11] <Tm_T> rum!?
[03:11] <Tm_T> where!?!
[03:11] <anaccount> lol
[03:11] <anaccount> i have plenty
[03:11] <Tm_T> bah
[03:12] <Tm_T> yeah, rrright
[03:12] <Tm_T> well, I ain't see any
[03:12] <anaccount> meanwhile I have a question
[03:12] <anaccount> I can't seem to figure out how to manually install a theme for firefox
[03:13] <anaccount> must be hard to get rum in finland
[03:14] <anaccount> (yes this was a stupid comment)
[03:15] <anaccount> this blows
[03:17] <Tm_T> :/
[03:17] <Tm_T> getting some rum isn't that hard...
[03:18] <Tm_T> getting some _good_ rum is
[03:18] <Tm_T> but anyway, what you mean by "maunal"
[03:18] <Tm_T> s/maunal/manual
[03:19] <cleit0n> hi, how i install kde 3.4.2 in debian
[03:19] <Tm_T> in debian?
[03:20] <Tm_T> humm
[03:20] <Tm_T> well well well, apt-get.org?
[03:21] <cleit0n> nothing there
[03:21] <cleit0n> Tm_T: i put in my source.slist onde mirror ubuntu, but dont work
[03:22] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[03:23] <cleit0n> Tm_T: i do this, but dont download in apt-get install kde ou kdebase
[03:24] <Tm_T> yay
[03:24] <Tm_T> :/
[03:25] <Tm_T> ok, I need some sleep, I hope you find solution to your problem
[03:25] <Tm_T> good night/morning :)
[03:25] <Tm_T> ->
[03:32] <odat> hello everyone
[03:32] <odat> i just installed kubuntu and i need help with getting sound
[03:36] <kalenedrael> ok, i assume it doesn't work right now
[03:36] <kalenedrael> do you have any details?
[03:37] <odat> well i can't alsaconf to come up either
[03:37] <crimsun> ubuntu and kubuntu removed alsaconf. Don't bother.
[03:37] <crimsun> it was largely useless anyhow.
[03:37] <odat> k well i don't have any sound in ubuntu i had perfect sound
[03:38] <crimsun> so what are the details?
[03:38] <odat> of what i have installed as far as sound go?
[03:39] <crimsun> no, of the hardware
[03:39] <odat> its a via chip 
[03:39] <crimsun> lspci -v |grep -i audio
[03:40] <odat> VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[03:40] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^snd_via
[03:41] <odat> snd_via82xx            25792  2
[03:42] <crimsun> odat: now paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:42] <odat> amixer?
[03:42] <crimsun> yes, amixer
[03:44] <odat> is paste.ubuntulinux.nl a file on my system or something i get to from the terminal
[03:44] <crimsun> it's a Web site
[03:46] <odat> and?
[03:46] <AgentOrange> im trying to mount a network folder called "my files"
[03:46] <crimsun> tell me the url you pasted that info to
[03:46] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo mount //192.168.0.11/my files /media/my files
[03:47] <AgentOrange> but the space between is messing it up
[03:47] <AgentOrange> do i put quotes around it?
[03:47] <crimsun> AgentOrange: quote it
[03:47] <crimsun> or use a \
[03:47] <AgentOrange> ahh ok
[03:47] <AgentOrange> thank you
[03:48] <odat> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1912
[03:49] <crimsun> amixer sset 'IEC958 Capture Monitor' off
[03:49] <odat> crimsun: in the terminal right ?
[03:50] <crimsun> yes
[03:50] <odat> k
[03:50] <odat> got it
[03:53] <AgentOrange> hrm
[03:53] <odat> what else?
[03:53] <crimsun> that's it
[03:53] <odat> do i need to restart or something
[03:53] <odat> or should i just have sound now
[03:53] <crimsun> no
[03:53] <crimsun> you should have sound
[03:53] <AgentOrange> mit@orange:~$ sudo mount "//192.168.0.11/my music" /home/mit/mp3/network
[03:53] <AgentOrange> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.11/my music,
[03:53] <AgentOrange>        missing codepage or other error
[03:53] <AgentOrange>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:53] <AgentOrange>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:53] <crimsun> AgentOrange: pass the filesystem type using -t
[03:53] <AgentOrange> thank you
[03:54] <AgentOrange> :( im such a friggin noob
[03:54] <odat> crimsun: cool i did the test button and i have sound  but i always have a problem with cd's
[03:55] <crimsun> make sure you've configured kscd to use digital extraction
[03:56] <odat> crimsun is that a setting within kscd?
[03:56] <crimsun> should be
[03:58] <odat> k
[03:58] <odat> crimsun thanx for helping crimsun really appreciate it
[03:58] <crimsun> np
[03:58] <lurch> hi everyone
[03:59] <odat> by the way here is a silly question i'm sure but i'm still trying to get icons on the desktop like the computer icon and the trashcan or even just folder lol
[03:59] <odat> its different in gnome than here so i'm not sure
[03:59] <lurch> i have a question, i recently converted my system over to kubuntu.  How do you get .deb or build .sh packages
[04:00] <odat> lurch have you used synaptic yet?
[04:00] <lurch> yes
[04:00] <lurch> problem is the file is local
[04:00] <odat> do you have your repositories on for universe?
[04:00] <lurch> what is that
[04:00] <odat> open up synaptic
[04:01] <lurch> k
[04:01] <odat> do you see the ones that are greyed out?
[04:01] <lurch> yup
[04:01] <odat> enable them
[04:01] <lurch> ok
[04:01] <lurch> ic
[04:02] <lurch> then i can just navigate to the desktop and install correct
[04:02] <odat> that will open up a lot more software for you
[04:02] <lurch> ic
[04:02] <lurch> i am looking to install crossover office
[04:02] <odat> all you have to do is mark for installation then click apply and let synaptic do the rest
[04:03] <lurch> ok
[04:03] <lurch> brb
[04:04] <ManLord> when mounting fat32 disk in fstab, how to allow all users to read/write?
[04:04] <odat> anyone know how i add the trashcan and other icons to the desktop?
[04:10] <odat> anyone know how i put the trashcan and computer icon on the desktop?
[04:14] <odat> ?
[04:33] <__static> i very much like the way kubuntu defaults to no icons on the desktop.
[04:33] <__static> i think i'll keep it that way
[04:43] <odat> anyone know how to change the icon size?
[04:44] <Hobbsee_> kcontrol, icons?
[04:44] <Hobbsee_> double-sized pixels option...
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have set up gstreamer to use artsd but when i try to use an app like rhythmbox, it crashes on play.
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> :(
[05:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i get flac support for juk?
[05:46] <user02> jakarta
[05:46] <user02> alooo
[05:49] <AgentOrange> how do i install flash on PPC?
[05:53] <AgentOrange> i tried this, but im not running mozilla.. so thats probably why its not working
[05:53] <AgentOrange> http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[06:05] <AgentOrange> can i install flash on kubuntu PPC?
[06:10] <lascar> can anyone tell me how to switch Firefox profiles?
[06:21] <lascar> anyone?
[06:21] <lascar> !firefox
[06:21] <ubotu> lascar: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:21] <lascar> :)
[06:22] <Totax> !firefox
[06:22] <ubotu> Totax: I don't know
[06:22] <Totax> ubotu.` what?
[06:24] <lascar> it's a bot
[06:24] <lascar> !kde
[06:24] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:25] <lascar> !linus toorvald
[06:25] <ubotu> lascar: Not a clue
[06:25] <yonkel-lappy> rrr my video is choppy! using kaffeien
[06:25] <lascar> try xine
[06:25] <lascar> or vlc
[06:27] <yonkel-lappy> vlc
[06:27] <yonkel-lappy> interesting
[06:27] <lascar> sudo apt get-install vlc
[06:27] <lascar> yonkel-lappy: or you can browse for it in kynaptic
[06:27] <lascar> i just prefer konsole
[06:28] <yonkel-lappy> i prefer konsole also
[06:29] <yonkel-lappy> hmmm not showing up
[06:29] <yonkel-lappy> would ogg theora be choppier than some other format?
[06:30] <lascar> "not showing up?"  what do you mean?
[06:32] <yonkel-lappy> vlc screen is blank
[06:32] <yonkel-lappy> sigh
[06:33] <lascar> ?
[06:34] <lascar> you mean, when you start it...it's blank?
[06:36] <citrosack> anyone know how to make my movies have a little preview with them in konqueror, you know like a little image clip?
[06:37] <lascar> switch to icon view
[06:37] <lascar> and be patient
[06:37] <lascar> that was for you, citrosack
[06:37] <citrosack> thank you
[06:38] <citrosack> i will try    i am using gnome right now  it it works   i was thinking of trying kde  and last time i was in kde with gentoo i remember it not working
[06:39] <citrosack> is there an easy way of trying out  kde  while in ubuntu?    would apt-get install kde work and they just select the right DE at login?
[06:40] <crimsun> install kubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <lascar> citrosack: sudo apt-get install kde
[06:46] <eddrex> i can't install kde python bindings with the 3.4.2 repos. is that a known issue?
[06:48] <eddrex> python2.3-kde3:
[06:48] <eddrex>   Depends: python2.3-qt3 (<3.13) but 3.13-4ubuntu2 is to be installed
[06:52] <lascar> !ren
[06:52] <ubotu> lascar: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:52] <lascar> !rename
[07:24] <Bill_Braskey> is there flash for ubuntu PPC?
[07:52] <Bill_Braskey> is there flash for ubuntu PPC?
[07:57] <seaLne> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[07:58] <seaLne> not entirely sure tho if that works for ppc
[08:04] <Bill_Braskey> seaLne: thats for java
[08:04] <Bill_Braskey> im looking for flash
[08:05] <seaLne> the title is "How can I do Flash, Java or mp3 ?"
[08:05] <Bill_Braskey> no java replies tho :(
[08:05] <Bill_Braskey> er
[08:05] <Bill_Braskey> no flash replies
[08:06] <seaLne> read the bit at the top
[08:07] <seaLne> but just thinking now not even sure if the real linux player works on anything other than x86
[08:07] <Bill_Braskey> poop
[08:10] <odat> who know how to create a symlink in kde?
[08:12] <yonkel-lappy> is there a way to choose which of the available wireless networks i can connect to?
[08:18] <yonkel-lappy> is there a way to choose which of the available wireless networks i can connect to?
[08:18] <seaLne> yonkel-lappy: kwifimanager
[08:19] <yonkel-lappy> seaLne: it's not letting me choose which networks i can connect to
[08:19] <yonkel-lappy> sudo ifdown eth1; sudo ifup eth1 still connects me to my neighbors network
[08:20] <seaLne> dosen't "scan for networks" list others that you can pick?
[08:20] <yonkel-lappy> it doesn't let me pick them
[08:20] <yonkel-lappy> i can click and double click till i turn blue
[08:20] <yonkel-lappy> but all it is, is a list
[08:21] <seaLne> sorry i don't have wireless at home so i can't check
[08:21] <yonkel-lappy> it's ok
[08:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i find out which device is my cdrom?
[08:30] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  look in /etc/fstab
[08:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> how would that tell me anything?
[08:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i never put an entry in there that i know of.
[08:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i had been using gnome where it took care of this for me
[08:34] <aftertaf> when you installed, was it on CD?
[08:34] <aftertaf> shouldve put an entry there.... 
[08:34] <aftertaf> otherwise, open the box and see if it is on primary/secondary IDE.
[08:38] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to get jackd working in kubuntu?
[08:45] <Bill_Braskey> is there flash for ubuntu PPC?
[08:46] <seaLne> BROKEN_LADDER: type media:/ into konqueror and it should show you the cd
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay..
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the device my dvd usually occupies is not there
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> /dev/scd0
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not even showing up.
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> grip can't even eject the drive.
[08:49] <seaLne> the 2.6 linux kernel dosen't need ide-scsi
[08:49] <seaLne> it will be /dev/hdc or something
[08:52] <seaLne> /dev/cdrw should be a link to it
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> no, there is no such link
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was always /dev/scd0 before
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> in gnome
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> the only /dev/h* i have is hda and hdc which are hard drives. :(
[08:58] <Bill_Braskey> i like ponies
[08:58] <seaLne> it would have been /dev/scd0 in older linux kernels
[08:59] <seaLne> weird its not showing up
[08:59] <seaLne> my dvd is /dev/hdd at home and at work i have /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd
[09:01] <seaLne> BROKEN_LADDER: so ls /dev/hd* only lists hdaX and hdcX devices?
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> but those are my hard drives
[09:01] <seaLne> what does ls -l /dev/cdrw show?
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> my computer is periodically going wayyy slow
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> something is wrong
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> rebooting
[09:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> my dvdrw is not here :(
[09:30] <odat> does anyone know how to make firefox the system default browser??
[09:36] <aftertaf> control ceter > default apps.... somewhere i think
[09:37] <aftertaf> control ceter > KDE Components > Component Chooser: speciy in 'web browser' section
[10:09] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to mount a network folder?
[10:09] <aftertaf> what have you tried?
[10:09] <aftertaf> !samba
[10:09] <ubotu> samba is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[10:09] <aftertaf> !nfs
[10:09] <fatejudger> I tried the GUI version
[10:09] <fatejudger> but it's more of a shortcut than a mount
[10:10] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:10] <aftertaf> never done it yet... linux standalone only experience i have :(
[10:10] <fatejudger> right
[10:11] <fatejudger> I just need it because many programs don't let you search network folders
[10:15] <fatejudger> aftertaf: do I have to restart after editing the fstab?
[10:18] <nikkia> smbfs has been deprecated in favour of cifs for 'ages' now
[10:27] <fatejudger> !samba
[10:27] <ubotu> samba is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[10:27] <aftertaf> !cifs
[10:27] <ubotu> aftertaf: Not a clue
[10:43] <spiral> hi
[10:45] <aftertaf> hi
[10:58] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:07] <fatejudger> I'm trying to get this network drive mounted using fstab
[11:08] <fatejudger> but it asks for a password when I restart
[11:08] <fatejudger> and then says access denied
[11:08] <fatejudger> it doesn't ask me for any password when I manually mount it
[11:08] <fatejudger> my windows computer has no password
[11:09] <fatejudger> anyone?
[11:10] <aftertaf> have you looked into cifs ?
[11:10] <fatejudger> ?
[11:10] <fatejudger> cifs?
[11:10] <aftertaf> think it was that... the thing that has replaced smbfs...
[11:10] <aftertaf> just repeating what s/one said last time....
[11:11] <fatejudger> well
[11:11] <fatejudger> smbfs works perfectly
[11:11] <aftertaf> oi.
[11:11] <fatejudger> I just don't know the command for the fstab
[11:11] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:11] <aftertaf> try in #ubuntu... more ppl there
[11:11] <fatejudger> ok
[11:14] <fatejudger> well that didn't work very well
[11:14] <fatejudger> there are too many people in there
[11:14] <fatejudger> lol
[11:15] <aftertaf> :/
[11:15] <aftertaf> erf
[11:15] <aftertaf> aha...
[11:15] <aftertaf> you have a bite
[11:18] <nikkia> fatejudger: no, smbfs doesn't 'work perfectly', it doesn't support the win2k3 authentication properly, for example
[11:18] <fatejudger> nikkia: well it's working fine in the manual mount
[11:18] <fatejudger> nikkia: just not in the fstab
[11:18] <fatejudger> nikkia: I think the command I'm using is wrong
[11:27] <nikkia> fatejudger: i really think you should try cifs, you might find it 'just works' :)
[11:27] <nikkia> smbfs has all kinds of issues, and hasn't really been updated since 2003
[11:30] <setite> anyoen have a broadcom 54g card?
[11:32] <seaLne> yeah
[11:47] <Tm_T> urrrh
[11:54] <aftertaf> my kicker just crashed... :/
[11:55] <aftertaf> how can i get it to run again and not close when i quit the terminal window (running term thru a shortcut, then yping kicker & )
[12:11] <Tm_T> kaiser o/ o/ o7
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 tm
[12:11] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you?
[12:13] <Tm_T> ok, in school, boring
[12:13] <Tm_T> you?
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> in school? :\
[12:13] <Tm_T> yes
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm trying to read Ubuntu-users emailing list
[12:13] <Tm_T> :)
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> last 15 days 
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> got 600 more emails to go :/
[12:15] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: heh, I can't really read my emails... so there's ~1800 unread mails :/
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: there was for me 2 days ago :( it's a process alright
[12:16] <Tm_T> heh
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's been happening here?
[12:20] <Tm_T> dunno
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. same as always ;D nothing
[12:21] <Tm_T> heh
[12:21] <Tm_T> I'm waiting my adsl connection and breezy kernel freeze
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> not long untill the latter... cant comment on the former :D
[12:22] <Tm_T> =)
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: your using Breezy now?
[12:22] <Tm_T> nope
[12:23] <Tm_T> not until kernel freeze
[12:24] <Tm_T> nikkia: heyyy you!
[12:24] <Tm_T> haha
[12:24] <nikkia> Tm_T: morning
[12:24] <Tm_T> nikkia: good morning
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nikkia
[12:29] <nikkia> anyone know why sourceforge is rejecting anon-cvs ?
[12:30] <Tm_T> hmm, I've seen a lot of trouble in sf lately
[12:30] <Tm_T> like, try to download filezilla ;)
[12:31] <nikkia> tm_t, they went thru a really terrible patch in 2001, where they were inaccessible about 80% of the time, but recently, they've been 'ok'
[12:31] <nikkia> but its not letting me access cvs at all :/
[12:31] <Tm_T> :/
[12:32] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  u on breezy?
[12:32] <nikkia> sometimes pinning all of FOSS development on a single 'vaguely dodgy' site like sf worries me
[12:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: yes, *ubuntu* Breezy
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: why do you ask?
[12:33] <nikkia> ('vaguely dodgy' because sf has a subscription service, and could limit users to paying for access to source code on a whim)
[12:33] <nikkia> and its not like OSTG has a history of doing no evil :P
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: more then faguely then
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *v->f
[12:34] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: what worries me, is this is how it would happen, if they go all evil, anon-cvs would just stop working and you'd need to be a registered/subscribed user to access cvs *shudder*
[12:34] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: but, of course, it could just be a glitch, or routine maintenance *shrug*
[12:35] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  just wondering ;)
[12:35] <nikkia> nothing on their homepage about cvs being down, tho, although it is still sort of night there
[12:35] <jimmy_neutron> hi :)
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jimmy_neutron
[12:35] <jimmy_neutron> I just installed kubuntu 5.04 on my "averatec 6200" Laptop (widescreen 1280x800) and after the instalation the screen is black,...
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: hope for the best untill the worst
[12:36] <nikkia> gah, i can't get mingw32 to build :(
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jimmy_neutron: what does pressing ctrl +alt+f2 give you?
[12:37] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... didn't try that but ctrl+alt+f1 did nothing,... - trying f2 now *mom*
[12:38] <jimmy_neutron> (if it somehow matters, i could only run the installer with the parameters "vga=771 noapic nolapic acpi=off")
[12:39] <jimmy_neutron> ctrl+alt+f2 does nothing either
[12:39] <DVSoftware> i have problems after upgrading to breezy, actually my usb hard drive is no longer in "Storage Media"
[12:40] <DVSoftware> and i have to mount it manually
[12:43] <nikkia> jimmy_neutron: it sounds like X is trying to use the wrong driver, or a driver that claims to support your chipset but doesn't
[12:44] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... that sounds bad
[12:45] <nikkia> (ubuntu people: this is why you include a runlevel that doesn't run X !!!!)
[12:45] <jimmy_neutron> guess the only thing remaining now is search arround for the correct driver right?
[12:45] <aftertaf> init 3
[12:45] <aftertaf> :)
[12:45] <nikkia> jimmy_neutron: you'll need to work out a way to edit the file with a non-working screen
[12:45] <nikkia> aftertaf: erm, that starts X on [k] ubuntu
[12:45] <nikkia> aftertaf: they ALL start X, which is a BAD idea
[12:46] <aftertaf> init 2 then...
[12:46] <jimmy_neutron> well there is this recovery mode where i get a root-shell
[12:46] <aftertaf> really???????!
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: exept 1
[12:46] <nikkia> aftertaf: yes, really
[12:46] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  god!! use it
[12:46] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, but then you have to deal with remounting /
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0 1 and 6 ;D
[12:46] <aftertaf> good
[12:46] <jimmy_neutron> yeah, the problem is i don't know what to type in xD
[12:46] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: and you probably can't test X in run level 1 :/
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: no, you cant :-/
[12:47] <aftertaf> lol
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> or you can haxor your inits
[12:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: i've said before that not including an X-less runlevel is a silly idea
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: i tentd to agree tbh
[12:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: thats what i'd do, runlevel 1 it, remount /, remove X startup from one of the runlevels, and switch runlevel
[12:48] <Nalioth> good morning all
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be 1 single user 2 xless 3 gui
[12:48] <aftertaf> hi Nalioth 
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Nalioth
[12:48] <aftertaf> and changed name too ;)
[12:48] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: technically, it should be 2=network less, 3 = X less, 4/5 = X
[12:48] <Nalioth> brb, just walked in and need to take the dog for a walk
[12:48] <aftertaf> nikkia:  thats what i thought
[12:48] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: runlevel 2 was always supposed to be 'multi-user, no network'
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: meh :) that's to complex
[12:48] <DVSoftware> killall Xorg :D
[12:48] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: ie, an area where you can fix things without worrying about that rootkit that you're cleaning up after :)
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: :) isnt that 1?
[12:49] <aftertaf> hehe DVSoftware :)
[12:49] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: no
[12:49] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: as discussed, there are things you can't do in single-user mode :/
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ clean you proot kits i thought can be
[12:49] <aftertaf> even with the right hand??
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *up root
[12:50] <DVSoftware> w00t! kit :D
[12:50] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: sure you COULD do it in runlevel 1, assuming you don't need to run any X programs to do the clean-up :)
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) so not UNIX using x programs to clean up rootkits
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> back before my day.... 
[12:50] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: depends on what you're cleaning
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> true. lol . why I'm i talking about this? *_*
[12:51] <nikkia> woo, sf's anon-cvs is back up
[12:52] <nikkia> ho ho ho, and evil-ness runs rampant at the office :)
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:52] <jimmy_neutron> wow, i think i made it, X runs, yay xD
[12:52] <nikkia> (we promised a s/w release on friday...
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> *team
[12:52] <nikkia> but the code wasn't 100% finished, so we told them we made a release, then 'accidently' broke the FTP server so they couldn't access it :)
[12:53] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... can
[12:53] <jimmy_neutron> sry
[12:53] <Nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: please do
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl nikkia
[12:53] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... can't i set a root-pass? (the installer didn't ask anything like that)
[12:54] <Nalioth> !tell jimmy_neutron about root
[12:54] <jimmy_neutron> :,(
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[12:55] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  w00t :)
[12:55] <nikkia> anyone remember the name of that util that auto-creates symlinks from one place to another for binaries ?
[12:56] <jimmy_neutron> sudo -i <-- is that what I'm searching for? :>
[12:56] <nikkia> jimmy_neutron: sudo -i will give you a root shell, yes
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> jimmy_neutron: or sudo -s
[12:57] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[12:58] <Nalioth> so did y'all miss me while i was at work? lol
[12:59] <nikkia> Nalioth: nope, not at all :P
[12:59] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  nope... there was this lonedog person who kept us on our toes.. ;)
[01:00] <Nalioth> nikkia: you missed me (i was in #ubuntu in my office nick)
[01:00] <Nalioth> aftertaf: my dog stays in #ubuntu to give advice
[01:00] <jimmy_neutron> do i need special drivers or somethinkg for that "amd power now" stuff so the processor doesn't get to hot?
[01:01] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:01] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: i believe it's 'powernowd'
[01:02] <jimmy_neutron> that means i have to type something like "apt-get powernowd"? (still new with debian - used mandrake before)
[01:03] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: you can use synaptic
[01:03] <jimmy_neutron> synaptic?
[01:03] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: do you like terminal or gui better?
[01:04] <jimmy_neutron> gui would be better for me but, terminal is easier when asking for help over irc,...
[01:05] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: hit the "K", "run command" and type synaptic  <enter>
[01:05] <Nalioth> or click 'ok'
[01:06] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[01:08] <jimmy_neutron> when i type synaptic into the shell is says command not found :>
[01:08] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  need to sudo or b root
[01:08] <Nalioth> holy cow
[01:09] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: guess we're gonna get into terminal land then
[01:09] <jimmy_neutron> yeah i did sudo -i entered the pass, and typed synaptic
[01:09] <jimmy_neutron> ok,...
[01:09] <aftertaf> do "apt-get install synaptic" then
[01:09] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[01:09] <jimmy_neutron> can i specify a language too?
[01:10] <aftertaf> which one do u prefer?
[01:10] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: that is in your control center, i believe
[01:10] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[01:10] <aftertaf> osterreich? that right?
[01:10] <jimmy_neutron> yeah
[01:10] <jimmy_neutron> de-at
[01:12] <Nalioth> aftertaf: austria?
[01:12] <jimmy_neutron> ok, when i type synaptic now it tells me "Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display:"
[01:12] <jimmy_neutron> yeah austria :)
[01:12] <aftertaf> hehe yeah, me being clever... Nalioth 
[01:12] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: "apt-get install kynaptic"
[01:13] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  ahh, true, easier to begin with
[01:13] <Nalioth> aftertaf: ich spreche kein deutch
[01:13] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  me neither..... :)
[01:13] <jimmy_neutron> xD
[01:13] <Nalioth> aftertaf: the lack of the weird willies on my US keyboard stops a lot of it
[01:14] <jimmy_neutron> should i deinstall synaptic again than?
[01:14] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: no leave it, its not hurting anything
[01:14] <jimmy_neutron> kynaptic "cannot connect to xserver" :\
[01:14] <aftertaf> hh
[01:15] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: what kind of install do you have?
[01:15] <jimmy_neutron> anyways, i think doing it over apt-get may be easier xD
[01:15] <jimmy_neutron> 5.04
[01:15] <Nalioth> cuz its weird that nothing can see your xserver. are you running one?
[01:16] <jimmy_neutron> yeah
[01:16] <Nalioth> so yeah, "apt-get install powernowd" from a terminal using root priveleges
[01:17] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[01:18] <jimmy_neutron> it seems like it's allready installed ok (hope there is nothing i need to configure *cross-fingers*
[01:18] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: drop out of your root terminal (if you're still in one)
[01:19] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: and type "ps aux|grep powernowd" and see if its running
[01:20] <jimmy_neutron> . /usr/sbin/powernowd is running
[01:20] <jimmy_neutron> xD
[01:21] <jimmy_neutron> ok, now to the battery,...
[01:26] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  the xserver error...
[01:26] <teuxic> hi
[01:26] <aftertaf> its not an access refused type error is it?
[01:27] <nikkia> aftertaf: no, its a YOU SHOULD USE KDESU TO RUN GUI PROGRAMS AS ROOT error :P
[01:28] <aftertaf> oki
[01:28] <nikkia> i don't know how many times people here need to be told before it'll sink in, really
[01:28] <jimmy_neutron> ohh there is a lot of stuff different here xD
[01:28] <Nalioth> nikkia: he was tryin to install synaptic or kynaptic from a terminal
[01:28] <aftertaf> is that with the xhost localhost protocol error typ thing.
[01:29] <aftertaf> nikkia:  i've said it before, and i'll say it again...
[01:29] <Nalioth> nikkia: but since i've had no sleep all weekend, you are entirely correct
[01:29] <nikkia> Nalioth: no, he tried to run synaptic from a sudo -i session - won't work, a) DISPLAY won't be set, b) authentication for X won't be setup, c) even if you fix a and b, it'll mess up your X session for other gnome/gtk apps
[01:29] <Nalioth> and i've suffered and id10t error
[01:29] <Nalioth> nikkia: sorry
[01:29] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: sorry
[01:30] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: from the "k" menu > run command > "kdesu synaptid"
[01:30] <aftertaf> so in a non w00t xterm, you can use kdesu synaptic to run synaptic...?
[01:30] <jimmy_neutron> mom
[01:31] <buz> in konsole you can
[01:31] <buz> xterm i dont use
[01:31] <jimmy_neutron> i typed it in but nothing happened (no errors either)
[01:31] <aftertaf> synaptic or synaptid
[01:32] <Nalioth> mebbe the booger aint installed
[01:32] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: try it with kynaptic
[01:32] <jimmy_neutron> yeah that works :D
[01:32] <jimmy_neutron> big thx
[01:33] <Nalioth> i hate autoreconnecting terminals
[01:37] <jimmy_neutron> could you help me with this "apm" thingy? it says the battery has -1% power :>
[01:38] <aftertaf> oh dear...
[01:39] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  plug it in to the mains, quick!!! :D
[01:39] <jimmy_neutron> mains?
[01:39] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: the power line that comes into your house
[01:39] <Nalioth> the big thick round one
[01:39] <jimmy_neutron> lol
[01:40] <jimmy_neutron> it's already pluged - stil -1%
[01:40] <jimmy_neutron> the battery has according to windows 100%,...
[01:43] <jimmy_neutron> isn't firefox installed on kubuntu 5.04?
[01:45] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  nope.
[01:45] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[01:45] <aftertaf> no need with konqueror
[01:45] <[ITA] MisterX> HI ALL! :)
[01:45] <Nalioth> aftertaf: <ahem>
[01:45] <aftertaf> (no need) to be discussed.... but for space reasons on the cd, maybe, not essential
[01:45] <jimmy_neutron> well, konqueror has serious problems with gmail
[01:45] <[ITA] MisterX> Why I can't find cdrdao package with apt?
[01:45] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  they could put opera maybe?? ;)
[01:46] <aftertaf> [ITA] MisterX:  add multiverse
[01:46] <[ITA] MisterX> what? :D
[01:46] <aftertaf> !info cdrdao
[01:46] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[01:46] <jimmy_neutron> aftertaf: np, i just asked so that i knew what to do - either continue searching or instaling,...
[01:46] <[ITA] MisterX> Is that an apt source?
[01:46] <aftertaf> not even multiverse, sorry!!!
[01:46] <aftertaf> have you enabled the ther repositories since install?
[01:46] <[ITA] MisterX> I suppose...
[01:46] <aftertaf> ..the other...
[01:47] <jimmy_neutron> should i use apt-get or sould i donwload it from gefirefox.com?
[01:47] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  in general, better with apt-get
[01:47] <jimmy_neutron> ok,... :)
[01:47] <aftertaf> updates when available
[01:47] <[ITA] MisterX> Where I can find updated apt sources?
[01:48] <[ITA] MisterX> (for sources.list of course)
[01:48] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... what's the exact name of the package?
[01:48] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: use the repos whenever possible
[01:48] <jimmy_neutron> repos?
[01:48] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: firefox or mozilla-firefox
[01:48] <jimmy_neutron> k
[01:48] <jimmy_neutron> thx
[01:48] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: use what ubuntu recommends, cuz using other sources for programs can break your box
[01:49] <Nalioth> !tell jimmy_neutron about sources
[01:49] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[01:51] <jimmy_neutron> well, the installer preconfigured the system with some sources himself, guess that ok too right?
[01:52] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: yes, they are listed in the link ubotu sent you
[01:53] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[01:53] <jimmy_neutron> does anybody know the name for the opera apt-get package?
[01:54] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: use synaptic or kynaptic (it makes searching so much easier)
[01:54] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[01:54] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: and you'll also need to enable all the sources ubotu sent you in that link
[01:54] <Nalioth> !info opera
[01:55] <Nalioth> !info opera-browser
[01:55] <Nalioth> jimmy_neutron: i'll have to hunt the SOB down another time
[01:55] <[ITA] MisterX> I hadn't multiverse sources :/
[01:55] <Nalioth> for now, i need a nap
[01:56] <aftertaf> looool Nalioth 
[01:56] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  i've partied all weekend, and now it is 2pm...
[01:56] <jimmy_neutron> ohh i need all urls?
[01:57] <aftertaf> bed://
[01:57] <aftertaf> a good url i like a lot :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> bed://for.many.hours/offline.zZz
[01:58] <Nalioth> y'all help jimmy_neutron get sorted with his repos
[01:58] <aftertaf> nalioth_zZz:  will try :)
[01:58] <nalioth_zZz> jimmy_neutron: if they can't help ya, you can ask in #ubuntu
[01:59] <jimmy_neutron> could i get that ubotu msg about packets again? :>
[01:59] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  where u at... you got kynaptic loaded and ready yet ?? ;)
[01:59] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  you can yourself...
[01:59] <aftertaf> type !repos
[01:59] <aftertaf> :)
[01:59] <aftertaf> !repos
[01:59] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:59] <jimmy_neutron> yeah i got kynaptic working
[01:59] <aftertaf> cool.
[01:59] <jimmy_neutron> but there is nothing with opera in it
[01:59] <jimmy_neutron> !repos
[02:00] <nalioth_zZz> jimmy_neutron: once you enable all the repos, i think you might find opera
[02:00] <aftertaf> hang on a sec...
[02:00] <jimmy_neutron> _might_ <-- yay xD
[02:00] <jimmy_neutron> !repos
[02:00] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:00] <jimmy_neutron> ahh sry
[02:01] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  you got synaptic installed or not?
[02:01] <jimmy_neutron> yes
[02:01] <jimmy_neutron> it's installed
[02:01] <jimmy_neutron> both, synaptic and kynaptic
[02:02] <aftertaf> close kynaptic and run synaptic then
[02:02] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[02:02] <jimmy_neutron> now?
[02:03] <aftertaf> goto settings > repositories on the menu
[02:03] <jimmy_neutron> yeah,... ?
[02:03] <aftertaf> and enable all those you see disabled....
[02:03] <aftertaf> and disable cdrom
[02:03] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[02:03] <aftertaf> how many lines do you have?
[02:04] <aftertaf> roughly
[02:04] <aftertaf> i have 15
[02:04] <jimmy_neutron> 10 (excl. cdrom)
[02:04] <aftertaf> ok
[02:04] <aftertaf> you see some with 'universe' in the section part?
[02:04] <jimmy_neutron> yeha
[02:04] <jimmy_neutron> *yeah
[02:05] <aftertaf> ok, add the word multiverse to each entry that has universe
[02:05] <jimmy_neutron> k, mom
[02:05] <aftertaf> ;)
[02:06] <jimmy_neutron> add or replace?
[02:06] <aftertaf> ok, while u do that... i'll keep on typing to explain..
[02:06] <aftertaf> add...
[02:06] <jimmy_neutron> kk
[02:06] <aftertaf> Section(s) : universe multiverse  
[02:06] <jimmy_neutron> k
[02:06] <aftertaf> you have URL, Distribution, Section
[02:06] <aftertaf> now... add this line as a new entry.:
[02:07] <aftertaf> url: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/
[02:07] <aftertaf> Dist: hoary-updates
[02:07] <aftertaf> section: main  
[02:07] <jimmy_neutron> k, mom
[02:08] <aftertaf> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[02:08] <aftertaf> is a nother way of putting it.
[02:08] <aftertaf> url                  dist          section(s)
[02:08] <jimmy_neutron> ok, done
[02:09] <aftertaf> ok
[02:09] <aftertaf> !repos
[02:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[02:09] <aftertaf> goto paste
[02:09] <aftertaf> ______________^^^
[02:09] <jimmy_neutron> I'm there (paste)
[02:10] <aftertaf> er... for now maybe not needed...
[02:10] <aftertaf> i need sleep too ;)
[02:10] <aftertaf> validate your repositories by clicking OK.
[02:10] <aftertaf> then click the RELOAD button
[02:10] <jimmy_neutron> ok, i should add all of these sources too?
[02:11] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  i dont know.... maybe god idea, maybe not.
[02:11] <jimmy_neutron> o0
[02:12] <jimmy_neutron> what is the difference between multiverse and universe categories?
[02:15] <aftertaf> not same packages... apart from that no idea.
[02:15] <aftertaf> have you updated synaptic now?
[02:16] <jimmy_neutron> yeah
[02:16] <jimmy_neutron> still no opera
[02:16] <aftertaf> me neither
[02:16] <aftertaf> it does co$t though..
[02:17] <jimmy_neutron> ohh i see
[02:17] <jimmy_neutron> gues that means i should get it from opera.com - right?
[02:18] <aftertaf> erf. yep.
[02:19] <aftertaf> do you NEED opera, or is it a want thing
[02:19] <jimmy_neutron> well i don't _need_ it but it's my prefered browser
[02:19] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:19] <aftertaf> go to opera and install then ;)
[02:20] <aftertaf> freedom of chice is just tht ;)
[02:20] <jimmy_neutron> :D
[02:23] <apokryphos> No standard repository has opera, yes. They have a perfectly workin' Ubuntu .deb at their site though
[02:24] <jimmy_neutron> does it work with kubuntu too?
[02:25] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: Of course. Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE.
[02:25] <aftertaf> hehe apo
[02:25] <aftertaf> or Ubuntu is Kubuntu without KDE
[02:26] <aftertaf> Kubuntu vs Gubuntu
[02:26] <apokryphos> Kind of. Kubuntu = ubuntu-base + kubuntu-desktop, though.
[02:26] <apokryphos> And Ubuntu precedes Kubuntu chronologically ;-)
[02:27] <aftertaf> true....
[02:27] <aftertaf> but Kubuntu pwns
[02:27] <jimmy_neutron> about apm, does anyone know why the battery has -1% charge?
[02:27] <aftertaf> looooool
[02:28] <aftertaf> not for your apm pb ;)
[02:28] <jimmy_neutron> pb?
[02:28] <aftertaf> the loooool
[02:28] <aftertaf> ;)
[02:29] <jimmy_neutron> ohh and is there any howto about grub? i've always used lilo so far,...
[02:30] <aftertaf> !grub
[02:30] <ubotu> I guess grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:30] <jimmy_neutron> nice *g* - thx
[02:55] <jimmy_neutron> ok, have to leave now
[02:55] <jimmy_neutron> thx & cu
[02:58] <reagleBRKLN> i want to build latest kat (can't find a deb for kubuntu) but it requires unsermake, what package is that in?
[03:00] <reagleBRKLN> ah, i see it
[03:03] <reagleBRKLN> didn't help though, oh well. will keep looking for deb
[03:13] <djib> hello
[03:14] <djib> I'm looking for Backports for Kubuntu
[03:15] <apokryphos> djib: to get what version exactly?
[03:15] <apokryphos> (of kde, that is)
[03:16] <djib> I don't know
[03:16] <djib> I'm on ubuntuguide.org
[03:16] <djib> and the blackport mirror doesn't work
[03:17] <aftertaf> backport mirror, not blackport
[03:17] <apokryphos> !backports
[03:17] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:18] <aftertaf> djib:  it should work...if its down temporarily, wait n see, otherwise system cold take a slapping...
[03:18] <djib> well it was down yesterday also...
[03:18] <apokryphos> Ubuntuguide is pretty crappy; I'm not sure what they recommend for backports there.
[03:19] <aftertaf> silly qu.
[03:19] <apokryphos> if you want to use the ubuntuforum hoary-backports, though, use the mirrormax mirror -- it seems ot be up the most.
[03:19] <aftertaf> do you need the deb-src lines too?
[03:19] <aftertaf> i use bin, not sourcecode
[03:19] <apokryphos> aftertaf: only if you plan on building the dpkg source
[03:19] <aftertaf> i dont
[03:19] <aftertaf> :)
[03:20] <apokryphos> then you don't need it, sure.
[03:20] <aftertaf> cool... economise bandwidth
[03:21] <apokryphos> you're economising a few kb.. only the details from apt-get update, but sure. :P
[03:28] <djib> aftertaf: you can use apt-build to use your kubuntu as a gentoo
[03:31] <aftertaf> djib:  would be fun... if i *knew* what i was doing
[03:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> use your kubuntu as a gentoo?
[03:35] <djib> aftertaf: what don't you understand ?
[03:35] <djib> I can try and explain
[03:36] <aftertaf> i am far toooo worn out to figure anything out right now....
[03:36] <aftertaf> but i appreciate your willingness
[03:36] <aftertaf> see, i cant even talk straight! ;)
[03:39] <djib> ^^
[03:39] <djib> are you new with linux aftertaf ?
[03:41] <aftertaf> sort of.
[03:41] <aftertaf> 3 years of understanding and breaking debian, with a lot of months in between doing not much.
[03:42] <aftertaf> i helped a guy in australia install his adsl modem though :)
[03:42] <aftertaf> so not a TOTAL n00b
[03:42] <djib> yeah
[03:42] <aftertaf> but a n00bish type of user al the same...
[03:43] <aftertaf> i got the basics of the shell, just about, though i don't grep :D
[03:43] <aftertaf> hoping to learn a lot more as and when the chance arises.
[03:49] <djib> I'm sure you will !
[03:50] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:50] <aftertaf> hope so
[03:50] <djib> how do I add a user with minimum rights on my kubuntu ?
[03:50] <djib> adduser creates a simple user, or an admin-like ?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> djib: a basic user
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> *very* basic
[03:53] <christoffer> I have some problems after installing kubuntu on the same machine as fedora4, I installed kubunto on another partitition. Now i can only boot kubuntu, kubunto can not read the other partition, and I can't figure out how to get higher than 60 hz on monitor.
[03:54] <Blissex> christoffer: thanks for letting us know :-). You are allowed to ask specific, detailed questions too BTW.
[03:55] <christoffer> How can I make it, make a choich which distro I want to boot?
[03:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> hmm
[03:57] <Blissex> christoffer: thats still a bit vague, but better,
[03:57] <Blissex> christoffer: whatever boot managed you use can be configured to boot any kernel from any partition.
[03:58] <Blissex> christoffer: so what you need is to configure the other partition as one of the meny choices in KUbuntu.
[03:58] <Blissex> christoffer: to do so, there are a couple of ways.
[03:58] <christoffer> can i do that from kubuntu?
[03:58] <Blissex> christoffer: yes sure.
[03:59] <Blissex> christoffer: there are two ways to set up booting with GNU/Linux.
[03:59] <christoffer> Blissex nice where from?
[03:59] <djib> thanks Kamping_Kaiser 
[03:59] <djib> I discovered Kuser
[03:59] <djib> it's pretty good !
[03:59] <aftertaf_home> kde pwns :)
[03:59] <djib> yeah !!!!!!
[04:00] <Blissex> christoffer: getting you a link...
[04:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> Kuser?
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> djib: that's ok ;) i only use cli
[04:00] <djib> cli ?
[04:01] <djib> Carpe_Libertatem: kuser is a program to manage users
[04:01] <djib> Kamping_Kaiser: what is cli ?
[04:01] <Blissex> christoffer: basically you edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' but there are some more user friendly frontends
[04:01] <DaSkreech> How good is KPDF?
[04:01] <Blissex> DaSkreech: currently it is very good.
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> djib: Command Line Interface
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> a terminal :D
[04:01] <djib> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Blissex: What are it's advantages?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> I'm hearing it's the best PDF solution in Linux
[04:02] <christoffer> Blissex I am little affraid of editing raw txt...
[04:02] <Blissex> DaSkreech: meaningless question...
[04:02] <Blissex> christoffer: OK, I supposed that.
[04:02] <djib> christoffer, can you access your old ubuntu partition ?
[04:02] <Blissex> christoffer: wait for a link...
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> djib: be care full about using vim
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Blissex: :-) What would be a meaningful question?
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> root@ROMMEL:~ # :q
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> bash: :q: command not found
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> root@ROMMEL:~ #
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> or that happens
[04:03] <djib> christoffer: because there should be all you need in the /boot/grub on the ubuntu partition christoffer 
[04:03] <Blissex> DaSkreech: hard to say -- basically KPDF displays PDFs well and conveniently.
[04:03] <djib> Kamping_Kaiser: I love vim
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Blissex: Thanks
[04:03] <djib> I use it a lot
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> djib: same, you umight have noticed ;D
[04:04] <djib> I've been using gentoo for 6 monts
[04:04] <djib> yeah !
[04:04] <christoffer> Blissex I can see partitition but not mount. Ok tnx I will look at /boot/grub
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Someone should make a kentoo
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Just to annoy them :)
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ew
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> DaSkreech: :P not cool
[04:04] <djib> christoffer: can you access you old partition ?
[04:05] <Blissex> christoffer: as djib was hinting at, basically you should be merging the GRUB configuration for Fedora into the KUbuntu one.
[04:05] <djib> what does it say when you mount it ?
[04:05] <christoffer> djib no only them kubuntu use
[04:05] <Blissex> christoffer: problem is, this is very easy to do if you kinow how to do it, and not otherwise.
[04:05] <djib> christoffer: do you know the name of your fedora partition ?
[04:05] <djib> like hdax
[04:05] <djib> where x is a number
[04:05] <christoffer> ex3
[04:06] <christoffer> all in hda1
[04:07] <djib> ok
[04:07] <djib> open a konsole
[04:07] <djib> type in
[04:07] <djib> cd /mnt
[04:07] <djib> mkdir test
[04:07] <djib> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/test
[04:07] <djib> then cd /mnt/test/boot/grub
[04:07] <djib> ls
[04:08] <djib> tell me what you see
[04:08] <christoffer> ok 2 sec
[04:09] <djib> christoffer: take your time
[04:10] <christoffer> uh no.. I did not make root acc on install.. I will look in kuser
[04:10] <djib> you'll have to do 'sudo mount' instead of mount i think
[04:10] <djib> christoffer: there is no root in kubuntu
[04:10] <djib> christoffer: you can activate it
[04:10] <djib> but no need to
[04:10] <christoffer> uh.. thats strange :)
[04:11] <djib> you do everything with sudo
[04:11] <djib> if you want to log in root, just do a su -s -H
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Do do a sudo
[04:12] <djib> yeah, sudo is good
[04:12] <djib> you'll get used to it
[04:12] <christoffer> yeah
[04:12] <djib> christoffer: just add sudo before mount
[04:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> or get lazy like me and use su
[04:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[04:13] <christoffer> uh cant find hda1
[04:13] <christoffer> I just look what part is called
[04:15] <christoffer> it cant find the two hdx with fedora..
[04:15] <djib> oh oh
[04:16] <djib> do you have qtparted installed ?
[04:16] <christoffer> yes i think so
[04:16] <djib> look at your partitions then
[04:16] <christoffer> no i dont, I can install it
[04:17] <djib> hang on
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> cat /proc/partitions
[04:17] <ounas> looking for kde mobiletools, does sms and other things, any ideas?
[04:17] <christoffer> ok
[04:18] <djib> type in sudo fdisk -l
[04:18] <djib> it will display your patitions
[04:18] <christoffer> from hda1 to hda5
[04:19] <christoffer> 2 fedora 3 is ubuntu
[04:19] <djib> ?
[04:19] <christoffer> fedora is Linux LVM ubuntu os Linux
[04:19] <djib> how many partitions are there ?
[04:20] <christoffer> 5
[04:20] <djib> what are they ?
[04:21] <christoffer> hda1 very small hda2 is fedora hda3 is ubuntu hda4 is swap for fedora hda5 is swap for ubuntu
[04:23] <djib> ok...
[04:23] <djib> you could have done just one swap, but who cares
[04:23] <djib> now try sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/test
[04:23] <djib> (providing you created /mnt/test)
[04:23] <christoffer> has it something to do that hda2 is Linux LVM and hda3 is Linux
[04:25] <christoffer> "dev/hda2 do not exist"
[04:25] <djib> damned !
[04:25] <djib> I don't know what linux LVM is
[04:25] <christoffer> its crazy lol
[04:25] <christoffer> ok
[04:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> Me neither.
[04:25] <djib> maybe it's another type of file type
[04:25] <djib> do you have a knoppix ?
[04:25] <christoffer> yes
[04:25] <djib> ok, try and boot with knoppix
[04:26] <djib> open your partition hda2
[04:26] <christoffer> ok cu
[04:26] <djib> and save your /boot/grub/menu.lst file somewhere on hda3
[04:26] <christoffer> yeah :)
[04:26] <djib> I stay on this chan and wait for you
[04:26] <christoffer> and copy
[04:27] <christoffer> thanks
[04:27] <djib> no worries
[04:36] <Budda> is it possible to get my boot up console colored?without a bootsplashscreen?
[04:37] <nikkia> djib, Carpe_Libertatem, LVM = Logical Volume Manager, one of the two soft-RAID systems for linux
[04:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ahh.
[04:37] <jimmy_neutron> hi :D
[04:37] <christoffer> I think the partition is broken. knoppix can not read it, and qparted in knoppix report unknown.
[04:37] <nikkia> (the other being EVMS)
[04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: good afternoon :)
[04:38] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[04:38] <jimmy_neutron> is there a way to run the kde-control-center as root?
[04:39] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[04:39] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[04:41] <djib> nikkia: how does it work ?
[04:42] <djib> christoffer: you can try gpart
[04:42] <djib> it recovers partition tables
[04:42] <christoffer> djib ok tnx I will 
[04:43] <djib> or maybe some other recover tools
[04:43] <christoffer> yeah
[04:43] <djib> I can't be on much more help sorry...
[04:43] <christoffer> its ok u have been great 
[04:52] <jimmy_neutron> in the login screen where you type in your pass, is there a way to change the background? (tried control center but that changes only the screen after you type in your pass,...)
[04:53] <seaLne> jimmy_neutron: yu want to change the settings for KDM (Login Manager)
[05:10] <Blissex> jimmy_neutron: yes.
[05:16] <jimmy_neutron> sry, was afk (lunch)
[05:16] <jimmy_neutron> ok, then where can i change the kdm settings?
[05:20] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: you can get kdm themes from kdelook.org
[05:22] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[05:25] <jimmy_neutron> i can't connect to the site,...
[05:28] <ounas> same here from the artic
[05:29] <jimmy_neutron> sounds bad,...
[05:31] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: server seems to be down; try again later, I'd say.
[05:31] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[05:31] <jimmy_neutron> and about grub, can i change the style here too?
[05:51] <Phantom^^> hey guys i'm having some trouble installing this new printer i just bought
[05:52] <nikkia> Phantom, which printer?
[05:52] <Phantom^^> uhh its a epson AcuLaser c1100
[05:53] <Phantom^^> in teh kde setup thingy the aculasers start at c1900
[05:54] <Phantom^^> and the epson website does not have a linux driver for it available, they say it is usually shipped with the operating system or something 
[05:55] <nikkia> Phantom^^: tell it its a laserjet 3
[05:55] <Phantom^^> ok 
[05:55] <nikkia> i hope it has 5MB of ram tho
[05:55] <nikkia> apparently, that printer downconverts everything to 75dpi internally if it only has 1MB
[05:56] <Phantom^^> yeah i think it has 32
[05:56] <Phantom^^> is that bad ?
[05:56] <Phantom^^> in the sence of compatibility
[05:56] <nikkia> it should be alright
[05:57] <nikkia> the 1Mb thing is just something the printer does automatically, it would still 'work' with linux, just your printouts would look like crud
[05:57] <Phantom^^> hmm how do i tell its its a laserjet 3
[05:57] <Phantom^^> is taht under hp ?
[05:58] <nikkia> i imagine so
[06:00] <nikkia> you probably need gimp-print installed, if you don't have it
[06:01] <nikkia> CUPS itself only supports about 5 drivers, most of which are dot-matrix printers, it relies on a back-end driver (usually gimp-print, altho TurboPrint integrates with CUPS too)
[06:02] <Phantom^^> how do i install gimp print
[06:03] <nikkia> Phantom^^: apt-get, synaptic, aptitude, whatever you want
[06:04] <Phantom^^> nikkia: i jsut tried a test print seems the printer recieved the data but did nothing with it
[06:05] <Phantom^^> opps
[06:05] <Phantom^^> yeah gimp print i guess
[06:05] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's GIMP print?
[06:07] <nikkia> Carpe_Libertatem: a printer driver
[06:07] <nikkia> it was originally part of gimp, hence the name, but it has been a standalone set of printer drivers for a long time now
[06:08] <nikkia> its also not called gimp-print anymore, its 'gutenprint' now, but ubuntu hasn't switched to gutenprint (shame, as it has a lot of new features that are really worthwhile, including a lot more drivers)
[06:09] <Phantom^^> nikkia can i install gutenprint anyway
[06:09] <Phantom^^> it may have my printer ?
[06:10] <nikkia> no
[06:11] <nikkia> gimp-print *should* already be installed, its a dependancy of [k] ubuntu-desktop, and therein lies the problem....
[06:11] <Phantom^^> seems gimp print is already installed but when i go to the settings it says im using cups
[06:12] <nikkia> to just build gutenprint, you need to remove gimp-print out of the way, or build gutenprint in such a way that it tells dpkg that it is a pure upgrade of gimp-print
[06:12] <Phantom^^> the drop down does not have gimp print listed at least under the name of gimp print
[06:12] <nikkia> and since gimp-print is split over several packages, its not an easy task
[06:12] <nikkia> no, you misunderstand
[06:12] <nikkia> without gimp-print, your choice of printers is about '5'
[06:13] <nikkia> one of which  is a 9pin, and 2 24-pin dot matrix printers, i think one is a postscript, and i forget the other 1 :)
[06:13] <Phantom^^> ok well i dont know how this works but in the printer config gui
[06:13] <Phantom^^> print system currently used is set to cups
[06:13] <nikkia> with gimp-print, you get a long list of printers, but you don't see anything that says 'gimp-print' per se
[06:13] <nikkia> you're in the wrong GUI :P
[06:13] <Phantom^^> and in the drop down there are a few other systems listed but none of them are gimp
[06:13] <nikkia> you should be at the CUPS setup, which is via  a web browser
[06:15] <nikkia> try opening the url:   http://localhost:631
[06:18] <Phantom^^> ok nikkia let just pretend i have jsut hooked the new printer up to this machine
[06:18] <Phantom^^> what do i have to do with a kubuntu setup to install it
[06:23] <Phantom^^> hmmm nikkia i think i have found a driver for this printer but the website does not list kubuntu directly they have debian though if im downloading the file should i pick the debian distriution
[06:25] <Phantom^^> nikkia:  can you look at this url and tell me which one you think i should try
[06:25] <Phantom^^> http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin/dl2/ls_e
[06:25] <nikkia> nope, i can't
[06:26] <nikkia> because its a session based page :P
[06:26] <nikkia> Phantom^^: as i said, the driver to use is the laserjet 3 driver, that is from linuxprinting.org, which is about the best, and most reliable, resource for printing stuff on linux
[06:27] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:30] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:31] <Phantom^^> when i select laserjet 3 it gives me a kinda list of sub drivers
[06:31] <Phantom^^> laserjet 3 (foomatic + gimp-print)
[06:32] <Phantom^^> laserjet 3 (foomatic + ljet3)
[06:32] <Phantom^^> laserjet 3 (foomatic + stp)
[06:32] <Phantom^^> laserjet 3 (foomatic + gimp-print-ijs)
[06:32] <Phantom^^> which one should i pick /
[06:36] <_davids> holas
[06:37] <nikkia> Phantom^^: the second one, ljet3
[06:38] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:38] <Phantom^^> thanks i hope this works
[06:39] <Phantom^^> nikkia it asks me to select a port for the printer
[06:39] <Phantom^^> atm its connected via usb but it gives me like 15 possible usb ports
[06:39] <nikkia> how's it connected to the PC? printer port?
[06:39] <nikkia> oh
[06:39] <Phantom^^> i can use parrallel
[06:40] <Phantom^^> if need be ?
[06:40] <nikkia> Phantom^^: at a console do:   ls -l /dev/usb/lp0
[06:40] <Phantom^^> crw-rw----  1 root lp 180, 0 2005-09-05 16:42 /dev/usb/lp0
[06:40] <nikkia> ok, then thats the port you want to give it :)
[06:40] <Phantom^^> lol what port is that ?
[06:41] <Phantom^^> you mean
[06:41] <Phantom^^> that is the uri ?
[06:41] <Phantom^^> this   dev/usb/lp0 ?
[06:42] <nikkia> with the / at the start
[06:42] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:45] <Phantom^^> ok so i selcted that port and then the hp ljet3 and i tried to test but it did not print the test page :(
[06:46] <jimmy_neutron> how can i mount usb-sticks in Kubuntu 5.04?
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> jimmy_neutron: this should be simple, after connecting it to the pc you should find an icon in media:/ in konqueror
[06:48] <jimmy_neutron> k
[06:48] <jimmy_neutron> indeed thx
[06:49] <jimmy_neutron> how do I unount it now? ("remove safely")?
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> jimmy_neutron: rightclick and something like unmount device
[06:50] <jimmy_neutron> hmm... yeah, cool big thx
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> jimmy_neutron: np
[06:59] <jimmy_neutron> is there a way to add devices in /etc/fstab so that non-root users can boot them too?
[07:01] <soliste> like this maybe:
[07:02] <soliste> - /dev/hdc2       /media/data     vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,rw,user,auto 0 0
[07:02] <jimmy_neutron> k, mom
[07:02] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: you have ot set the appropriate mask for it
[07:03] <apokryphos> (permissions to access). 0222 is read-only for all users -- you'll want to use that if you're mounting an NTFS partition.
[07:03] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[07:04] <jimmy_neutron> there is still no way to write on ntfs safely?
[07:04] <apokryphos> correct
[07:06] <jimmy_neutron> is there anybody working on that, or did they give up already?
[07:08] <soliste> breezy-live-i386.iso (colony-4) doesn't work for me, error with locales, is this reported?
[07:09] <jimmy_neutron> ./dev/hdc2       /media/data     vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,rwuser,auto 0 0 <-- should i change that rw to r when mount ntfs?
[07:10] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: you should mount your ntfs like this:   /dev/hdbX       /media/windoze  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[07:10] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[07:12] <apokryphos> mind you, all you really need for your vfat partitions is  /dev/hdbX /mnt/somefolder vfat umask=000 0 0
[07:12] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[07:13] <jimmy_neutron> that ntfs works only for root,...
[07:13] <jpatrick> so put sudo in front of the comman
[07:13] <jpatrick> command*
[07:13] <jimmy_neutron> can't i just set it up to get mounted at every system startup?
[07:13] <jpatrick> hey anyone know where I can get Qt header files?
[07:14] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: putting it in fstab *will* make it mount on startup
[07:14] <apokryphos> !qt
[07:14] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[07:14] <jpatrick> thank you
[07:15] <jimmy_neutron> ohh, well then thx
[07:15] <jpatrick> jimmy_neutron: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[07:15] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: of course, you should only really edit that as root if you want to alter it
[07:15] <apokryphos> jpatrick: you know not to recommend that :P. But, for automounting...
[07:15] <apokryphos> !windowsdrives
[07:15] <ubotu> it has been said that windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:17] <jpatrick> apokryphos: sorry :)
[07:19] <jpatrick> hmm.. even after installing libqt3-mt-dev I still don't have the header files
[07:19] <faked> sb using amarok? if yes, was it possible for you to build a collection? It doesn't work to me, need help
[07:19] <apokryphos> jpatrick: what is it you're trying to compile?
[07:19] <jpatrick> faked: I have a collection
[07:20] <apokryphos> faked: settings -> configure amarok -> collection
[07:20] <jpatrick> apokryphos: http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/tutorial/p1.html
[07:20] <jpatrick> the #include files don't exist on my system
[07:20] <nico8481> hi
[07:20] <jpatrick> lo
[07:20] <faked> apokryphos: yes I did it so far, but when scanning has been finished there is no collection created
[07:21] <apokryphos> jpatrick: hm, ok -- one sec.
[07:21] <apokryphos> faked: are you *sure* there are appropriate music files in that directory.
[07:22] <faked> apokryphos: yes, I have an external harddisc with mp3's on it, some month ago it worked perfect with amarok, but since I think 1.2.4 I can't create a collection, the collection is always empty
[07:22] <jpatrick> faked: It took me a few times to build my collection
[07:22] <faked> apokryphos: I also tried to copy songs into my $home and started create collection - same thing
[07:23] <faked> jpatrick: amarok scans all folders, it needs a few minutes, but it is always empty
[07:24] <faked> jpatrick, apokryphos: which version of amarok do you use?
[07:24] <jpatrick> 1.3
[07:24] <nico8481> i'm trying to use unicode with latex but it doesn't seem to work (using \usepackage[utf8] {inputenc} but after texi2pdf we see only the latin caracters in the resulting pdf...) does anyone know how to do it right?
[07:24] <jpatrick> it worked with later verisons tho
[07:24] <apokryphos> jpatrick: not entirely sure for now, but if you want... just do an apt-get build-dep {kdepackage} and that'll pull it in
[07:25] <faked> jpatrick: where did you get 1.3 with apt-get?
[07:25] <apokryphos> faked: I can't help but think that you're certainly doing something wrong in the process...
[07:25] <jpatrick> I downloaded it
[07:25] <jpatrick> faked:  http://www.oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu-amarok-1.3/hoary-i386/
[07:26] <jpatrick> apokryphos: what should I put for {kdepackage}?
[07:26] <faked> jpatrick: uihh, I use breezy for i386, so ther is no package :)
[07:26] <apokryphos> jpatrick: any kde package... go for amarok ;-)
[07:26] <apokryphos> faked: not in apt, yet, no.
[07:27] <jpatrick> E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied.
[07:27] <OculusAquilae> faked: I'll build amarok on i386 soon :-)
[07:28] <faked> apokryphos: I understand, I have this problem with amarok 1.2.4 on breezy and amarok 1.3 on debian unstable, so I thought maybe it is a but, but If two peoplo say it is working correctly, I think the problem is on me
[07:28] <faked> OculusAquilae: cool
[07:28] <apokryphos> jpatrick: try any others... i.e. ktts
[07:28] <OculusAquilae> but at the moment I compile it for breezy-amd64
[07:28] <jimmy_neutron> is there a tool to partition the hdd?
[07:28] <apokryphos> faked: many more than two :). Though, if you're having this area on multiple OSs, then try #amarok
[07:29] <apokryphos> jimmy_neutron: qtparted
[07:29] <jpatrick> apokryphos: maybe I need libqt3-dev?
[07:29] <apokryphos> I was under the impression that the -mt pack brought that in... if not, install it, sure.
[07:30] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[07:30] <jpatrick> but it removes kde-devel kde-devel-extras kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev kdesdk koffice-dev...
[07:30] <apokryphos> :-O
[07:30] <apokryphos> that's not right
[07:30] <faked> apokryphos: I did it yesterday, I checked it with one developer of amarok, we tried different things, but it didn't work, so I thougt the package is bad, but as I said the same problem on debian and breezy
[07:30] <jpatrick> That's what I thought
[07:31] <faked> apokryphos: I tried to build it from svn, but the taglib in debian unstable and in breezy is too old...
[07:31] <apokryphos> faked: you could try compiling, see if the problem persists.
[07:31] <apokryphos> faked: get the taglib package -- go to the link above
[07:31] <jimmy_neutron> it says there that qtparted ist a partition magic clone - is it as messy as partition magic too?
[07:32] <faked> apokryphos: but this package is for hoary not for breezy
[07:32] <apokryphos> oh, you're on breezy?
[07:32] <faked> apokryphos: yes on breezy
[07:32] <apokryphos> Compile taglib too, then -- it's a minor-ish library
[07:33] <jpatrick> apokryphos: see apt-cache show libqt3-dev
[07:33] <faked> apokryphos: yes, I think would be the best way
[07:33] <jpatrick> It has 2 warnings
[07:34] <apokryphos> it's not on breezy
[07:34] <apokryphos> jpatrick: the build-dep gave no success?
[07:35] <jpatrick> Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for qt-x11-free
[07:36] <usrx> anyone know of any mirrors for kde-look.org?
[07:37] <apokryphos> jpatrick: are you sure that the -mt package installed correctly? I'm pretty convinced that's all you need
[07:37] <apokryphos> perhaps you have to export the QTDIR directory
[07:37] <jpatrick> how?
[07:38] <apokryphos> export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 
[07:38] <apokryphos> or on the configure you can use --with-qt-dir
[07:38] <apokryphos> usrx: there aren't any
[07:38] <jpatrick> export didn't work
[07:39] <apokryphos> :S
[07:39] <usrx> thanks
[07:39] <jpatrick> p1.cpp:1:26: qapplication.h: No such file or directory
[07:39] <apokryphos> eh?
[07:39] <jpatrick> the header file is not there
[07:40] <apokryphos> can you clarify that other kde apps don't find it, on compile?
[07:41] <jimmy_neutron> how much space should i reserve as swap on a amd athlon-xp-m 2400+ with 512 MB ram (with a 32 shared-memory grafics-card)
[07:41] <jpatrick> err.. no
[07:41] <jpatrick> jimmy_neutron: 1 GB should
[07:41] <jpatrick> do*
[07:42] <jpatrick> apokryphos: I'll take another example from the site
[07:45] <jpatrick> apokryphos: didn't work
[07:45] <jpatrick> ...agin
[07:46] <apokryphos> jpatrick: do you have libqt3c102-mt ?
[07:46] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[07:48] <jpatrick> there's nothing in /usr/lib/qt3 :S
[07:48] <jpatrick> just one folder
[07:48] <apokryphos> that's fine
[07:48] <jpatrick> libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.
[07:49] <apokryphos> I'm stumped, sorry; from what I know you really should have them. :/
[07:50] <jpatrick> :/
[07:52] <jpatrick> :\
[07:55] <ManLord> #amarok
[07:57] <djib> amarok rulez
[08:12] <ManLord> yes :)
[08:15] <seaLne> is anyone using kbluetoothd?
[08:20] <djib> anyone has a wacom graphire ?
[08:22] <ManLord> seaLne: i use it
[08:24] <seaLne> ManLord: its ok got it working now just i had to restart kde for some reason
[08:24] <ManLord> ok
[08:24] <seaLne> it wouldn't do anything which was a bit annoying
[08:25] <seaLne> ah cool now i can access my phone
[08:34] <faked> OculusAquilae: cool, amarok-deb for breezy i386, thx
[08:35] <OculusAquilae> np
[08:35] <faked> OculusAquilae: so lets see if building a collection will work no to me
[08:37] <faked> OculusAquilae: you're from germany?
[08:37] <OculusAquilae> faked: ye
[08:37] <OculusAquilae> s
[08:37] <faked> OculusAquilae: I'm from Austria
[08:38] <faked> OculusAquilae: is it a lot of work to build a deb-package?
[08:38] <OculusAquilae> faked: ah, I like Austria
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> faked: my simple packages are not very difficult to build, but if you have problems it is
[08:39] <faked> OculusAquilae: hmm.. KLibLoader could not load the plugin: libamarok_artsengine_plugin
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> hm
[08:40] <faked> OculusAquilae: but with your libtag-deb I can build it from svn
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> hm
[08:41] <faked> OculusAquilae: ohh, amarok 1.3.1 released today
[08:41] <OculusAquilae> faked: we have also a german kubuntu-irc-channel #kubuntu-de << advertising
[08:42] <OculusAquilae> faked: hm, not more work :-)
[08:42] <faked> :)
[08:43] <OculusAquilae> I think I'll package amarok 1.3.1 tomorrow
[08:45] <rlared> hello all, i was wondering how to get my hands on gtkpod for kubuntu?
[08:47] <apokryphos> !info gtkpod
[08:47] <ubotu> gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section universe/sound, is extra. Version: 0.88-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 383 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB
[08:47] <Tm_T> gtkpod? gtk? gnomish?
[08:47] <apokryphos> rlared: enable the Universe repository and download it.
[08:48] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:49] <rlared> apokryphos: thank you guys
[08:49] <rlared> haha Tm_T : is there a KDE equivalent? :)
[08:50] <Tm_T> don't ask from me, I don't have ipod =)
[08:50] <apokryphos> you can use amaroK if you have 1.3 
[08:50] <Tm_T> yeah, I was suggwsting that =)
[08:51] <rlared> does amarok do everything?
[08:51] <apokryphos> rlared: it makes coffee, yes.
[08:52] <rlared> apokryphos: hazelnut or regular?
[08:53] <Tm_T> both
[08:53] <Tm_T> and espresso
[08:54] <apokryphos> rlared: latest version does both, in fact.
[08:54] <rlared> damn
[08:55] <rlared> highly impressive my friends
[08:55] <jimmy_neutron> how does the fstab entry for swap-partitions look like?
[08:57] <apokryphos>  /dev/hdbX       none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:57] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[08:59] <rlared> kubuntu is pretty sweet
[08:59] <rlared> trying it for the first time
[08:59] <apokryphos> =)
[09:00] <rlared> so far it's exactly what i'm looking for, except I don't know if i quite agree with no root login by default : D
[09:11] <bobbyd> can anyone help me repair my MBR?
[09:12] <Xorlev> bobbyd: What damaged it? Windows?
[09:12] <bobbyd> I nuked it by accident, I have the kubuntu install CD booted but I'm not sure how to reinstall grub
[09:12] <bobbyd> Xorlev, yes
[09:12] <Xorlev> !grub
[09:12] <ubotu> I heard grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:12] <Xorlev> Ack wrong channel
[09:12] <bobbyd> Xorlev, windows vista to be precise
[09:12] <Xorlev> Vista! *hiss*
[09:12] <bobbyd> indeed
[09:12] <bobbyd> any ideas
[09:13] <bobbyd> I can run grub-install
[09:13] <Xorlev> Check out the links ubotu put out.
[09:13] <bobbyd> but I've only used lilo on the past and kubuntu auto-configures grub so I'm not sure how to fix it
[09:13] <Xorlev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <-- this one in particular
[09:13] <bobbyd> ok thanks
[09:13] <bobbyd> I thought you said wrong channel
[09:13] <bobbyd> sorry :)
[09:14] <Xorlev> I forgot ubotu was here too =)
[09:14] <jimmy_neutron> is there any other file that describes the hdd partiotions except fstab
[09:15] <Xorlev> /etc/mtab, /etc/lvmtab
[09:15] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[09:18] <jimmy_neutron> ok do have have to put something into these files to set up a swap partition for kubuntu?
[09:23] <Xorlev> Your swap partition should have been made at install.
[09:25] <jimmy_neutron> is there no way i can fix this now?
[09:25] <seaLne> fix what?
[09:26] <jimmy_neutron> well the system has no swap partition
[09:26] <seaLne> in /etc/fstab you should have a line like:
[09:26] <seaLne> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:26] <jimmy_neutron> well there is a swap partition, but the system isn't using it
[09:27] <Xorlev> Thats fine, it isn't always used.
[09:27] <Xorlev> Only when pages from the virtual memory are aged and no longer need physical memory.
[09:27] <jimmy_neutron> hmmm i got that line except that "sw" part
[09:28] <seaLne> cat /proc/meminfo should tell you how much swap you have
[09:28] <seaLne> something like:
[09:28] <seaLne> SwapTotal:     1959888 kB
[09:28] <seaLne> SwapFree:      1923220 kB
[09:28] <Xorlev> Right now my system is only using 4.11mb of my swap
[09:28] <Xorlev> Out of ~2gb.
[09:28] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[09:30] <Xorlev> Running top can also give you a realtime status of your swap and the like.
[09:31] <jimmy_neutron> i get permission denied
[09:32] <Xorlev> sudo cat /proc/meminfo
[09:32] <jimmy_neutron> ohh :>
[09:33] <jimmy_neutron> SwapTotal: 0kB
[09:33] <jimmy_neutron> SwapFree: 0kB
[09:34] <seaLne> sudo fdisk -l |grep swap
[09:34] <seaLne> and see if it says anything
[09:34] <seaLne> it looks like you might actually not have any swap
[09:36] <jimmy_neutron> it sais /dev/hda7 3425 3558 1076323+ 82 Linux Swap / Solaris
[09:37] <jimmy_neutron> but hda7 should be /
[09:37] <jimmy_neutron> and hda6 should be swap
[09:37] <lascar> anyone know of a good anti-virus app for kubuntu?
[09:39] <Xorlev> ClamAV.
[09:39] <Xorlev> Runs by command line though.
[09:41] <seaLne> works well with mailscanner
[09:41] <lascar> heard of it
[09:41] <lascar> but i'm looking for a GUI one, if possible
[09:42] <apokryphos> what exactly do you need an anti-virus app for?
[09:42] <seaLne> klamav
[09:42] <apokryphos> in a world without fences who needs gates :D
[09:42] <apokryphos> somewhat unrelated ;-)
[09:43] <lascar> look, i know linux isn't nearly as popular a target as windows for virus writers
[09:43] <lascar> but they do exist
[09:44] <apokryphos> not really
[09:45] <apokryphos> not really
[09:45] <seaLne> not in the same way as in windows, unless ofcourse you get emails with a program in them from someone you don't know and run it as root
[09:45] <apokryphos> and a few of "famous" ones made contained full documentation and options to undo all they did :D
[09:45] <apokryphos> s/of/of the
[09:46] <apokryphos> http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:46] <lascar> what should the database directory be?
[09:46] <Xorlev> Most virus programmers stick to Windows...much easier to infect.
[09:48] <lascar> nice article
[09:49] <koalah_> dumb question, but why is windows easier?
[09:50] <apokryphos> koalah_: check that link for some reasons
[09:50] <seaLne> it runs lots of services by default
[09:51] <seaLne> stupid mail clients like outlook don't handel attatchments properly etc
[09:52] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: hola!
[09:52] <seaLne> nico8481: they don't have enough mouse buttons :)
[09:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hi!
[09:53] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: how you doin'?
[09:53] <nico8481> seaLne, real men don't use mice ;-)
[09:53] <Xorlev> Windows is based on a Point-and-Click way of doing things
[09:53] <thoreauputic> My phone company had problems - off line for 4 days!!
[09:53] <seaLne> what about copy+paste?
[09:53] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: ouch
[09:53] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: another case for broadband? ;)
[09:53] <nico8481> seaLne, what about "yy" in vi ? ;)
[09:54] <seaLne> :)
[09:54] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: actually I would have dsl so it would have been the same
[09:54] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: but with another phone company :P
[09:54] <bobbyd> seaLne, do now: http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
[09:54] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: cabling problem : all th ecopper is owned by telstra here
[09:54] <seaLne> not on the laptop tho
[09:55] <bobbyd> seaLne, plug it in!
[09:55] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: nevermind, at least we have you now ;-)
[09:55] <nico8481> i guess you can plug it to the laptop :p
[09:55] <Xorlev> Windows...you open a wizard and whala. Binary installed. With linux its sometimes more difficult requiring alot of times dependencys, but in my opinion, the Linux method is far better.
[09:55] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: in the meantime I thought I would be clever and reconfigure irssi: so I managed to stuff that up royally and now it won't connect ;-)
[09:56] <apokryphos> heh
[09:56] <nico8481> anyone actually knows MacOSX?
[09:57] <Xorlev> MacOSX is beautiful...no doubt there, and its based off Unix, but I much prefer Linux =)
[10:16] <koalah_> only 51 mb left :)
[10:24] <typo> all my Qt apps seam to display accented characters badly. Like they're showing UTF-8 content as latin1 or something
[10:24] <typo> anyone know what this is?
[10:49] <libben> when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and now im at the part regarding glcore and all that
[10:50] <libben> should i check glcore?
[10:50] <libben> its unchecked
[10:50] <crimsun> only if you're not using nvidia or ati drivers
[10:50] <libben> im using nvidia
[10:50] <typo> I don't have the keyboard layout options in the kde control center. Anyone know if I need some other package for this?
[10:50] <typo> I instaleed "kcontrol"
[10:50] <crimsun> libben: the binary-only drivers?
[10:51] <libben> crimsun its fresh install and i just did the dpkg-reconfigure thingy
[10:51] <crimsun> libben: if so, do not check GLcore
[10:52] <libben> dri?
[10:53] <nikkia> oooo
[10:53] <nikkia> my web provider just upgraded their customers from 1GB of storage to 2GB for free
[10:54] <libben> yeah, we all have it. called gmail and gmail storage =)
[10:54] <nikkia> libben: that is NOT the same thing
[10:54] <nikkia> try running a php script on gmail some time
[10:55] <amu> gmail is evil spyware :D
[10:55] <libben> pff =)
[10:56] <amu> you allow then, they can scan your private mail     
[11:05] <libben> can i totally remove konqueror?
[11:05] <libben> cause i see its implemented with alot of nice things.
[11:05] <Xorlev> I wouldn't recommend it
[11:05] <libben> like its many things in one, web browser, file manager and so on..
[11:05] <libben> k
[11:06] <Xorlev> You probably can, but that'd kill alot of things.
[11:06] <libben> so i keep it? and just install firefox and choose in a menu somewhere that firefox is my krewl broweser
[11:09] <lascar> apokryphos: any idea how to maximize wireless ethernet throughput?
[11:09] <lascar> i'm maxed at 1mbps
[11:09] <lascar> brb
[11:12] <libben> whats the diffrence between konq and firefox? 
[11:12] <amu> lascar: maybe with network bounding & QoS 
[11:17] <libben> anyone?
[11:18] <crimsun> libben: they're fundamentally different. Konqueror is not _just_ a Web browser.
[11:18] <crimsun> (not to mention they use different widget sets)
[11:20] <nikkia> lascar: have you tried setting the bitrate via iwconfig? some of the drivers seem to have a bug where they default to 802.11 mode but still report 802.11b/g mode
[11:21] <nikkia> (i used to have a 3com ethernet card that did the same under linux, said it was in 100baseT mode, but was actually in 10baseT mode, that one was very annoying tho, i had to tell it to use 10baseT mode to get 100baseT)
[11:21] <jimmy_neutron> n8 everybody
[11:27] <rlared> hey does anyone know if there is a command line flag for kmix to get it to raise/lower/mute the volume?
[11:29] <sedeki> Doesn't kubuntu have dpkg command?
[11:32] <apokryphos> sedeki: it's a debian-based system, of course it does.
[11:32] <lascar> ok, back
[11:32] <sedeki> my friend claims he doesn't have dpkg.
[11:32] <sedeki> probably no dpkg in $PATH.
[11:32] <lascar> !QoS
[11:32] <ubotu> lascar: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:32] <lascar> that makes 2 of us
[11:32] <apokryphos> libben: you can alter your default browser in kcontrol
[11:33] <apokryphos> libben: though not sure why you'd not like Konqueror.
[11:33] <apokryphos> sedeki: he's likely not running [k] ubuntu then
[11:33] <sirukin> heh
[11:33] <sedeki> well, he does.
[11:34] <Peaker> I just hit a java applet in some web page, that managed to start allocating like crazy and thrashed everything out to swap, until task manager didnt work (took too much time to load), hell even console login took 3 minutes(!).  Is there any way to "lock in" the resources for critical processes (lock pages in memory, ensure scheduler slice, ensure I/O doesnt starve, etc)?
[11:34] <Peaker> it seems very very silly that programs that takes very minimal amounts of resources would ever be parted from their resources to increase some thrasher by 0.00001% efficiency
[11:35] <apokryphos> sedeki: ls /usr/bin/ | grep dpkg  ... gives?
[11:35] <Peaker> It seems that both Windows and Linux suffer from this silly fault even though they both have been multitasking for many years
[11:36] <apokryphos> sedeki: if he mucked up his $PATH then he could be having problems too
[11:36] <libben> cause im a fanboy of firefox?
[11:36] <sedeki> apokryphos i misinterpreted my friend.
[11:36] <libben> isnt that a good reason?
[11:36] <libben> and firefox is soon comming with a new version
[11:36] <apokryphos> libben: Konqueror sooner, probably.
[11:36] <sedeki> apokryphos he was looking for a program using dpkg --search, i thought he ment he didn't have dpkg installed.
[11:36] <Peaker> libben: But firefox doesn't have the KIOSlave support and the KPart support, and the programmable shortcut support, etc, etc :)
[11:37] <libben> but wich browser is better and faster?
[11:37] <apokryphos> sedeki: what does he want to search? Debs? Repositories?
[11:37] <apokryphos> sedeki: he can use apt-cache search <package>
[11:38] <sedeki> installed debs using (as far as i'm concerned) dpkg --search
[11:38] <lascar> what's the proper syntax for changing wireless eth bitrates?
[11:38] <apokryphos> sedeki: he should be using dpkg -l|grep <package>  ...then
[11:39] <Peaker> sedeki: I don't notice any speed difference.. my connection is Israeli c-modem which is ok but still is the bottleneck in both browsers..
[11:40] <Peaker> sedeki: I like Konqy better for pages both render properly.  Rare pages dont show right in konqy, rare part of them show right in firefox.  So I'd say as browsers they are roughly equal, ffox only very slightly better
[11:41] <libben> so FF is better then =)
[11:41] <Peaker> But as general programs to use to browse-not-necessarily-the-web, konq is way better :)
[11:41] <apokryphos> libben: better? It depends on your needs. Though, the advantages of Konqueror I see: fast for starting up, pretty darn fast rendering engine, integration with KDE.
[11:42] <Peaker> but not enough to warrent the non-integrated look, the lack of "ggl:" shortcuts/etc and the inability to go to smb:/ all of a sudden ;)
[11:42] <Peaker> apokryphos: its likely that ff has faster rendering engine, but I think the rendering engine is only the bottle neck of very very few people
[11:43] <libben> apokryphos, well. as i stated earlier, ff fanboy here. but konq seems to be just the same. except that it has some more nice features.... but im thinking of seperating the web part to ff and konq for the rest.
[11:43] <lascar> and you can hyperthread ff
[11:43] <apokryphos> I haven't seen any statistics on gecko/khtml comparison, so I'm leaving that
[11:43] <apokryphos> all I know is Konqueror loads pages easily faster than FF for me.
[11:43] <apokryphos> libben: up to you, of course.
[11:43] <libben> i read somewhere that konq can use the same extensions as ff
[11:44] <apokryphos> work is being done to implement gecko engine into Konqeuror as an option, but that's far from ready still, I believe.
[11:44] <Peaker> lascar: Threading is for weak people ;-)
[11:45] <lascar> nikkia: what's the proper syntax for changing wireless eth bitrates?
[11:45] <Peaker> I would go as far as saying threading is the most ill-used feature by developers all over the world, over the years
[11:46] <libben> what was the name of the file
[11:46] <libben> that holds the multi and so on
[12:03] <libben> how do i update so i use the 686 instead of this 386?