=== Burglaptop [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [n=Skywind@218.104.86.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] oook === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] hey guys === corey_ [n=corey@S010600400555133c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:42] hi [05:42] hey corey_ why the change of nick? [05:44] flaky wireless here === corey_ is now known as Burglaptop [05:45] so sometimes I get disconnected and then have to reconnect [05:45] ghost to the rescue, huh? [05:46] Burglaptop: Beeb article that I was going to email to you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm [05:46] thanks [05:59] brb lunch === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-207-161.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-207-161.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [07:02] jsg_lunch, you there? [07:04] jsg_lunch, can you commit something for me? === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-92.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:28] Burglaptop, sure whats up [07:28] i just bought some old cables at the nearby pc shop [07:28] Burglaptop, did you see ShaunM's email requesting for contributors on the gnome user guide? [07:29] yes [07:29] I have a quick tour diff [07:29] that getting close to finished? [07:29] what happened to your account [07:29] not at my desktop machine [07:30] ahhh [07:30] fire away [07:30] Madpilot, working on it [07:30] screenshots yet? [07:30] no [07:30] going to shot after the preview install [07:31] jbailey said he might request mdz to drop the freeze but we're not too optimistic about it [07:31] which freeze? [07:31] doc [07:31] the string one? [07:32] yes [07:35] jsgotangco, sent. Note that the diff is against just quicktour.html [07:37] lemme check [07:40] done [07:41] thanks [07:41] oh, and check it out, I need some feedbackl [07:41] looking at it now [07:43] "is released", not "is releases" - 3rd bullet point! [07:43] why no link to gnome-look.org? it's much better organized that art.gnome... [07:44] ummm [07:44] art.gnome is a much nicer site and ties in with gnome-art [07:47] heh... and gnome-look seems to be down again anyway... I still think it's got the better interface of the two [07:47] Anyone here on Hoary? [07:47] me [07:48] Madpilot: What does "cat /etc/issue" return for you? [07:48] gnome-look is a complete ripoff of kde-look [07:48] "Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l" [07:48] thanks Madpilot [07:49] complete with those \n \l bits that look like errors - what are they? [07:49] \n is a new line for some reason [07:49] I don't know what \l is [07:49] (linefeed?) [07:49] there is a blank line below that text, before I get my prompt back... [07:50] yeah, I think that's accidental [07:50] what is /etc/issue supposed to be, anyway? [07:50] your current distro version [07:51] obvously... :) [07:52] jsgotangco: gnome-look.org & kde-look are run by the same folks - ping gnome-look.org and the results come back from kde-look.org... [07:52] art.gnome.org runs rubyonrails [07:52] if you run breezy, there is an app called gnome-art that pulls out of the art.gnome.org [07:53] ah, that's cool [07:53] it is built on ruby, which we don't ship by default, otherwise we would probably ship it by defau't [07:54] ok, next job is to get the total amount of physical memory [07:55] mpt: "free"? [07:57] thanks Madpilot, that's a good start [07:57] brian@warbard:~/ubuntu-doc$ free [07:57] total used free shared buffers cached [07:57] Mem: 1036488 771928 264560 0 51112 437804 [07:57] -/+ buffers/cache: 283012 753476 [07:57] Swap: 0 0 0 [07:57] pardon the dump, but... [07:58] so I'm only interested in the second word of the second line... [07:58] mpt, why do you want aboutubuntu to have this info [07:58] ? [07:58] not sure what you mean? [07:59] Burglaptop: Because it's basic information about the computer [08:00] Amount of memory, processor speed, and a button taking you to the Device Manager [08:00] mpt, is this for reporting> [08:00] ah [08:00] fwiw, Windows and OS X both have this in their About boxes [08:00] you mean the device database? [08:01] no, System > Administration > Device Manager [08:01] ok [08:01] Burglaptop: no, if you pull up the "About Windows" bumpf it includes some mem/CPU info [08:01] ya [08:01] and the device manager has a link to the device database, so all is not lost [08:02] HAL device manager? [08:02] jsgotangco, yes [08:02] it drops the HAL part for Breezy [08:03] i didnt notice === jsgotangco checks [08:05] its prety spartan atm === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] hi robitaille [08:16] hi Madpilot [08:31] anybody got any idea how I would search the entire archive for any 0ubuntu* packages? [08:31] I want to figure out how much Ubuntu is ahead fo Debina [08:31] and if it grew in the Breezy cycle [08:32] wow, your typing gets even worse than usual when you're on the laptop, doesn't it? ;) [08:32] I am sitting on a couch, the greatest place to use a laptop in the world [08:33] so you can cook important parts of yourself at the same time? [08:34] hey, unlike robitaille, I have no plans on having any kids [08:36] Burglaptop, you're stilll young... just wait a few more years :) === Burglaptop doubts it === Madpilot thinks that cooking bits is a bad idea, regardless of what you intend to do with them... === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz [08:46] then run this command [08:46] zgrep "Filename.*ubuntu.*" Packages.gz [08:46] that should give you most ubuntu-modified packages [08:48] hmm, ok [08:48] only for main [08:49] run it without the trailing dot behind 'ubuntu' as well? [08:49] http://kvota.net/sarma/ [08:50] ya [08:50] you will the dot after ubuntu as well for regex to work properly. universe, multiverse, restricted also have their own Packages.gz as well [08:51] I'm sure there is a better way via apt-cache.... [08:51] ya [08:53] go blam [08:53] it goes 100% when i try to close it just now [08:54] hmm, half the packages in main are modified by us [08:54] 698 in main are newer than those in debian [08:54] Burglaptop: what's at that URL you just posted, anyway? still not loading here... [08:55] sarma, the live doc editor that was funded by Google for SoC [08:55] Madpilot, works here... [08:56] live doc editor? online whiteboard stuff? [08:56] the question is how many of these 698 are stuff that are also in sid at this point in time; thus will be in breezy+1 without patching. I have no idea... [08:57] yes [08:58] well, all of gnome 2.12 is not yet in sid [08:58] and all the xorg stuff [08:58] gunning for bragging rights over Debian, are we? [08:58] no, just interested where our delta is at [08:58] Madpilot, sarma is a live doc editor [08:58] where our is at? [08:59] for whiteboarding, check out inkboard, which is also a SoC project [09:00] and searchparty, another SoC project. This one allows you to share your searches with other people and what links they found useful [09:01] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode [09:01] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ is the complete list of patches breezy vs sid [09:01] yes [09:01] Madpilot, our delta, the difference between us and Debian sid [09:02] Burglaptop: OK. where on earch does 'delta' come from? [09:02] a talk from sabdfl [09:04] if it's from Mark, I'll guess it's a term used in the business/finance world - it sounds like an MBA-ish phrase! [09:05] no it is not [09:05] no? [09:05] its a common term [09:06] it's a scientific term.... think vectors, and differences between 2 of them going away from each other [09:06] delta v... right... just corrupted into jargon... ;) [09:07] it's also a jargon-word for a spoon... [09:07] at least this spoon [09:07] what? [09:07] our spoon is not sharp and pointed [09:07] Madpilot, you know what a fork is, right? [09:08] it has evil connotations [09:08] thus Ubuntu is a "spoon" of Debian [09:08] OK, I've heard the "ubuntu spoon" joke before, just didn't connect it with robitaille's comment === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:14] I'm off to sleep. good night, all [09:15] night [09:20] wow jeffsch is ripping through the faqguide at the moment [09:20] yes [09:20] I like his edit summaries [09:24] http://getstupid.biz/ignorance.html [09:33] what does evolution-webcal do? [09:33] oh ical [09:35] night all [09:35] night corey === GranMaestro [n=chatzill@adsl-ull-149-41.46-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === guest1_ [n=guest1@210.80.130.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === guest1_ is now known as rob^2 [10:49] rob^, you smell! [10:50] heh [10:50] beagle is nice [10:50] yes, it is [10:50] it ran smoothly in breezy [10:50] yep [10:51] i just got to try out some mono apps in breezy today [10:51] never had the time to do so [10:51] yeah.. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:53] gyah we seemed to have broken edubuntu [11:58] hmm [11:58] we actually broke ubuntu-desktop [12:01] jbailey, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14709 === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mp1 [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DWoodley [n=qaogsuuq@ip70-177-189-123.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:28] HI [03:31] hello === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kevogod [n=kevogod@68-115-7-181.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bigman [i=bigman@host8-184.pool80180.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bigman [i=bigman@host8-184.pool80180.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hornbeck [n=hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [n=jeff@fatwire-203-101.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [n=jeff@fatwire-203-101.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jeffsch [n=jeff@fatwire-203-101.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-137.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === GranMaestro [n=chatzill@adsl-ull-149-41.46-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:04] Burgundavia: did you add to the webcam howto, that spca is now in breezy? === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:06] rwabel, no idea and I didn't add it [11:07] mhh I'm just curious, because I would love to know how he got the webcam working in breezy without installing spca [11:09] I love it, when it only shows: adsl-213-190-44-43 instead of an author :-) [11:10] adsl is the auto importer from the old wiki [11:13] ah ok [11:14] and the udu wiki as well [11:16] udu? [11:16] Ubuntu Down Under [11:17] thanks madpilot [11:18] rob^, ping [11:55] Burgundavia, ping [11:55] err pong [11:55] rob^, Installing Applications section in the faqguide [11:55] it is way too wordy, can it be cut down [11:56] ? [11:56] maybe, I cut it down by half already [11:56] ouch [11:56] yeah I know [11:57] it looks like one giant block and my eyes glaze over about 25 words in [11:57] I think the synaptic/kynaptic section says only what it needs to [11:57] the first question was twice that size though [11:59] can we just mention repos as part of the 2nd question? === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:59] yea, I suppose we could [12:00] maybe take some key info from the first question and work it into the second? [12:00] ya [12:00] I don't want to step on too many toes [12:00] heh [12:00] no, both you and jeffsch are doing a good job [12:01] I'll bbl gotta drop my son off at day care.. [12:01] ok