[05:22] <Madpilot> oook
[05:39] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[05:42] <Madpilot> hi
[05:42] <Madpilot> hey corey_ why the change of nick?
[05:44] <corey_> flaky wireless here
[05:45] <Burglaptop> so sometimes I get disconnected and then have to reconnect
[05:45] <Madpilot> ghost to the rescue, huh?
[05:46] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: Beeb article that I was going to email to you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4208658.stm
[05:46] <Burglaptop> thanks
[05:59] <jsgotangco> brb lunch
[07:02] <Burglaptop> jsg_lunch, you there?
[07:04] <Burglaptop> jsg_lunch, can you commit something for me?
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, sure whats up
[07:28] <jsgotangco> i just bought some old cables at the nearby pc shop
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, did you see ShaunM's email requesting for contributors on the gnome user guide?
[07:29] <Burglaptop> yes
[07:29] <Burglaptop> I have a quick tour diff
[07:29] <Madpilot> that getting close to finished?
[07:29] <jsgotangco> what happened to your account
[07:29] <Burglaptop> not at my desktop machine
[07:30] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:30] <jsgotangco> fire away
[07:30] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, working on it
[07:30] <Madpilot> screenshots yet?
[07:30] <Burglaptop> no
[07:30] <Burglaptop> going to shot after the preview install
[07:31] <jsgotangco> jbailey said he might request mdz to drop the freeze but we're not too optimistic about it
[07:31] <Burglaptop> which freeze?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> doc
[07:31] <Burglaptop> the string one?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:35] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco, sent. Note that the diff is against just quicktour.html
[07:37] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[07:40] <jsgotangco> done
[07:41] <Burglaptop> thanks
[07:41] <Burglaptop> oh, and check it out, I need some feedbackl
[07:41] <jsgotangco> looking at it now
[07:43] <Madpilot> "is released", not "is releases" - 3rd bullet point!
[07:43] <Madpilot> why no link to gnome-look.org? it's much better organized that art.gnome...
[07:44] <Burglaptop> ummm
[07:44] <Burglaptop> art.gnome is a much nicer site and ties in with gnome-art
[07:47] <Madpilot> heh... and gnome-look seems to be down again anyway... I still think it's got the better interface of the two
[07:47] <mpt> Anyone here on Hoary?
[07:47] <Madpilot> me
[07:48] <mpt> Madpilot: What does "cat /etc/issue" return for you?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> gnome-look is a complete ripoff of kde-look
[07:48] <Madpilot> "Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l"
[07:48] <mpt> thanks Madpilot
[07:49] <Madpilot> complete with those \n \l bits that look like errors - what are they?
[07:49] <mpt> \n is a new line for some reason
[07:49] <mpt> I don't know what \l is
[07:49] <mpt> (linefeed?)
[07:49] <Madpilot> there is a blank line below that text, before I get my prompt back...
[07:50] <mpt> yeah, I think that's accidental
[07:50] <Madpilot> what is /etc/issue supposed to be, anyway?
[07:50] <Burglaptop> your current distro version
[07:51] <Madpilot> obvously... :)
[07:52] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: gnome-look.org & kde-look are run by the same folks - ping gnome-look.org and the results come back from kde-look.org...
[07:52] <Burglaptop> art.gnome.org runs rubyonrails
[07:52] <Burglaptop> if you run breezy, there is an app called gnome-art that pulls out of the art.gnome.org
[07:53] <Madpilot> ah, that's cool
[07:53] <Burglaptop> it is built on ruby, which we don't ship by default, otherwise we would probably ship it by defau't
[07:54] <mpt> ok, next job is to get the total amount of physical memory
[07:55] <Madpilot> mpt: "free"?
[07:57] <mpt> thanks Madpilot, that's a good start
[07:57] <Madpilot> brian@warbard:~/ubuntu-doc$ free
[07:57] <Madpilot>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[07:57] <Madpilot> Mem:       1036488     771928     264560          0      51112     437804
[07:57] <Madpilot> -/+ buffers/cache:     283012     753476
[07:57] <Madpilot> Swap:            0          0          0
[07:57] <Madpilot> pardon the dump, but...
[07:58] <mpt> so I'm only interested in the second word of the second line...
[07:58] <Burglaptop> mpt, why do you want aboutubuntu to have this info
[07:58] <Burglaptop> ?
[07:58] <Madpilot> not sure what you mean?
[07:59] <mpt> Burglaptop: Because it's basic information about the computer
[08:00] <mpt> Amount of memory, processor speed, and a button taking you to the Device Manager
[08:00] <Burglaptop> mpt, is this for reporting>
[08:00] <Burglaptop> ah
[08:00] <mpt> fwiw, Windows and OS X both have this in their About boxes
[08:00] <Burglaptop> you mean the device database?
[08:01] <mpt> no, System > Administration > Device Manager
[08:01] <Burglaptop> ok
[08:01] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: no, if you pull up the "About Windows" bumpf it includes some mem/CPU info
[08:01] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:01] <Burglaptop> and the device manager has a link to the device database, so all is not lost
[08:02] <jsgotangco> HAL device manager?
[08:02] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco, yes
[08:02] <Burglaptop> it drops the HAL part for Breezy
[08:03] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice
[08:05] <jsgotangco> its prety spartan atm
[08:15] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[08:16] <robitaille> hi Madpilot 
[08:31] <Burglaptop> anybody got any idea how I would search the entire archive for any 0ubuntu* packages?
[08:31] <Burglaptop> I want to figure out how much Ubuntu is ahead fo Debina
[08:31] <Burglaptop> and if it grew in the Breezy cycle
[08:32] <Madpilot> wow, your typing gets even worse than usual when you're on the laptop, doesn't it? ;)
[08:32] <Burglaptop> I am sitting on a couch, the greatest place to use a laptop in the world
[08:33] <Madpilot> so you can cook important parts of yourself at the same time?
[08:34] <Burglaptop> hey, unlike robitaille, I have no plans on having any kids
[08:36] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  you're stilll young... just wait a few more years :)
[08:46] <robitaille> download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[08:46] <robitaille> then run this command
[08:46] <robitaille> zgrep "Filename.*ubuntu.*" Packages.gz
[08:46] <robitaille> that should give you most ubuntu-modified packages
[08:48] <Burglaptop> hmm, ok
[08:48] <Burglaptop> only for main
[08:49] <Madpilot> run it without the trailing dot behind 'ubuntu' as well?
[08:49] <Burglaptop> http://kvota.net/sarma/
[08:50] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:50] <robitaille> you will the dot after ubuntu as well for regex to work properly.    universe, multiverse, restricted also have their own Packages.gz as well
[08:51] <robitaille> I'm sure there is a better way via apt-cache....
[08:51] <Burglaptop> ya
[08:53] <jsgotangco> go blam
[08:53] <jsgotangco> it goes 100% when i try to close it just now
[08:54] <Burglaptop> hmm, half the packages in main are modified by us
[08:54] <Burglaptop> 698 in main are newer than those in debian
[08:54] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: what's at that URL you just posted, anyway? still not loading here...
[08:55] <Burglaptop> sarma, the live doc editor that was funded by Google for SoC
[08:55] <robitaille> Madpilot,  works here...
[08:56] <Madpilot> live doc editor? online whiteboard stuff?
[08:56] <robitaille> the question is how many of these 698 are stuff that are also in sid at this point in time; thus will be in breezy+1 without patching.  I have no idea...
[08:57] <Burglaptop> yes
[08:58] <Burglaptop> well, all of gnome 2.12 is not yet in sid
[08:58] <Burglaptop> and all the xorg stuff
[08:58] <Madpilot> gunning for bragging rights over Debian, are we?
[08:58] <Burglaptop> no, just interested where our delta is at
[08:58] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, sarma is a live doc editor
[08:58] <Madpilot> where our <what> is at?
[08:59] <Burglaptop> for whiteboarding, check out inkboard, which is also a SoC project
[09:00] <Burglaptop> and searchparty, another SoC project. This one allows you to share your searches with other people and what links they found useful
[09:01] <Burglaptop> http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode
[09:01] <robitaille> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/  is the complete list of patches breezy vs sid
[09:01] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:01] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, our delta, the difference between us and Debian sid
[09:02] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: OK. where on earch does 'delta' come from?
[09:02] <robitaille> a talk from sabdfl
[09:04] <Madpilot> if it's from Mark, I'll guess it's a term used in the business/finance world - it sounds like an MBA-ish phrase!
[09:05] <Burglaptop> no it is not
[09:05] <Madpilot> no?
[09:05] <jsgotangco> its a common term
[09:06] <robitaille> it's a scientific term.... think vectors, and differences between 2 of them going away from each other
[09:06] <Madpilot> delta v... right... just corrupted into jargon... ;)
[09:07] <robitaille> it's also a jargon-word for a spoon... 
[09:07] <robitaille> at least this spoon
[09:07] <Madpilot> what?
[09:07] <Burglaptop> our spoon is not sharp and pointed
[09:07] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, you know what a fork is, right?
[09:08] <Burglaptop> it has evil connotations
[09:08] <Burglaptop> thus Ubuntu is a "spoon" of Debian
[09:08] <Madpilot> OK, I've heard the "ubuntu spoon" joke before, just didn't connect it with robitaille's comment
[09:14] <Madpilot> I'm off to sleep. good night, all
[09:15] <jsgotangco> night
[09:20] <jsgotangco> wow jeffsch is ripping through the faqguide at the moment
[09:20] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:20] <Burglaptop> I like his edit summaries
[09:24] <Burglaptop> http://getstupid.biz/ignorance.html
[09:33] <jsgotangco> what does evolution-webcal do?
[09:33] <jsgotangco> oh ical
[09:35] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:35] <jsgotangco> night corey
[10:49] <rob^2> rob^, you smell!
[10:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:50] <jsgotangco> beagle is nice
[10:50] <rob^2> yes, it is
[10:50] <jsgotangco> it ran smoothly in breezy
[10:50] <rob^2> yep
[10:51] <jsgotangco> i just got to try out some mono apps in breezy today
[10:51] <jsgotangco> never had the time to do so
[10:51] <rob^2> yeah..
[11:53] <jsgotangco> gyah we seemed to have broken edubuntu
[11:58] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:58] <jsgotangco> we actually broke ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <jsgotangco> jbailey, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14709
[03:28] <DWoodley> HI
[03:31] <mpt> hello
[11:04] <rwabel> Burgundavia: did you add to the webcam howto, that spca is now in breezy?
[11:06] <Burgundavia> rwabel, no idea and I didn't add it
[11:07] <rwabel> mhh I'm just curious, because I would love to know how he got the webcam working in breezy without installing spca
[11:09] <rwabel> I love it, when it only shows: adsl-213-190-44-43 instead of an author :-)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> adsl is the auto importer from the old wiki
[11:13] <rwabel> ah ok
[11:14] <Burgundavia> and the udu wiki as well
[11:16] <rwabel> udu?
[11:16] <Madpilot> Ubuntu Down Under
[11:17] <rwabel> thanks madpilot
[11:18] <Burgundavia> rob^, ping
[11:55] <rob^> Burgundavia, ping
[11:55] <rob^> err pong
[11:55] <Burgundavia> rob^, Installing Applications section in the faqguide
[11:55] <Burgundavia> it is way too wordy, can it be cut down
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:56] <rob^> maybe, I cut it down by half already
[11:56] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:56] <rob^> yeah I know
[11:57] <Burgundavia> it looks like one giant block and my eyes glaze over about 25 words in
[11:57] <rob^> I think the synaptic/kynaptic section says only what it needs to
[11:57] <rob^> the first question was twice that size though
[11:59] <Burgundavia> can we just mention repos as part of the 2nd question?
[11:59] <rob^> yea, I suppose we could
[12:00] <rob^> maybe take some key info from the first question and work it into the second?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> ya
[12:00] <Burgundavia> I don't want to step on too many toes
[12:00] <rob^> heh
[12:00] <rob^> no, both you and jeffsch are doing a good job
[12:01] <rob^> I'll bbl gotta drop my son off at day care..
[12:01] <Burgundavia> ok