[12:08] <marcin_ant> BenC, ping
[12:08] <marcin_ant> desrt, ping
[12:08] <desrt> pong
[12:09] <marcin_ant> desrt, hi
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[12:09] <desrt> what's up?
[12:09] <marcin_ant> desrt,  I got Asus M6703RB laptop and breezy
[12:10] <marcin_ant> with 2.6,12-8 kernel
[12:10] <desrt> k
[12:10] <marcin_ant> and my problem is that ACPI doesn't work
[12:11] <desrt> i probably can't help you too much there :/
[12:11] <marcin_ant> theoretically asus M6R is supported but it cannot see battery
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[12:11] <desrt> does ACPI see the battery?
[12:11] <marcin_ant> no - it says that there is no battery at all
[12:12] <marcin_ant> there are bugs in dmes
[12:12] <desrt> eek :/
[12:12] <marcin_ant> and I got a bug in dsdt
[12:12] <marcin_ant> but I don't know what to do with this bug
[12:12] <desrt> ya... that's definitely outside of my realm of understanding
[12:12] <desrt> BenC is your man :D
[12:12] <marcin_ant> ok, so I need to wait for him
[12:12] <desrt> fabbione is a fun guy to bug too :)
[12:13] <marcin_ant> I'll try to compile 2.6.13 kernel in the meantime but I don't think that it could solve these problems
[12:13] <marcin_ant> ok
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[12:15] <BenC> hey
[12:15] <desrt> w3rd.
[12:16] <marcin_ant> desrt, heh then stupid question - what is source package for linux-image?
[12:16] <marcin_ant> BenC, hi
[12:16] <desrt> linux-source
[12:16] <BenC> linux-source-2.6.12
[12:16] <marcin_ant> apt-get source linux-source?
[12:16] <desrt> marcin_ant; and copy your config file from /boot/ to .config and run 'make oldconfig'
[12:16] <desrt> apt-get install
[12:16] <BenC> marcin_ant: are there any bios upgrades for your system?
[12:17] <marcin_ant> BenC, yes - already flashed bios
[12:17] <desrt> it will download a tar.bz2 to /usr/src... you can unpack it if you are a member of the 'src' group
[12:17] <BenC> marcin_ant: and there is still a bug with dsdt?
[12:17] <BenC> marcin_ant: got a dmesg output?
[12:18] <marcin_ant> desrt, yes I know but I thought about something that could allow me to build new kernel package
[12:18] <marcin_ant> desrt, anyway I'll try this 
[12:18] <marcin_ant> BenC, just a moment
[12:19] <BenC> marcin_ant: if you unpack the kernel source, you can do build a new package with make-kpkg
[12:21] <marcin_ant> BenC, hmm where could I paste dmesg output for this channel?
[12:22] <BenC> email it to me, ben.collins@ubuntu.com
[12:22] <marcin_ant> BenC, ok
[12:29] <marcin_ant> BenC, almost ready
[12:33] <marcin_ant> BenC, ok, sent
[12:34] <marcin_ant> BenC, you got some info about system, dmeg output and dsdt.dsl and iasl dsdt.dsl output
[12:35] <marcin_ant> BenC, ah and small info - I forgot to write this in mail
[12:38] <marcin_ant> BenC, asus_acpi module doesn't load at boot I had to run this module manually to get some info about system
[12:51] <marcin_ant> BenC, are you there?
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[01:15] <marcin_ant> BenC, ping
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[04:52] <zul> heylo
[04:53] <zul> sorry i havent been around mucho
[05:05] <mjg59> The ndiuswrapper makefile is broken for amd64
[05:06] <mjg59> Which is presumably why it doesn't build
[05:10] <mjg59> Oh argh the kernel's ndiswrapper build it mad
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[05:13] <zul> meh...
[05:13] <mjg59> zul: Did you see me talking about ndiswrapper?
[05:13] <zul> mjg59: nope lagging like hell
[05:14] <mjg59> zul: ndiswrapper in the kernel source is trivially broken on amd64
[05:14] <mjg59> It shouldn't include divdi3 there
[05:15] <zul> ok..is it broken in the newer version?
[05:16] <mjg59> Looks like it
[05:16] <mjg59> Basically, OBJS := divdi3.o is wrong
[05:16] <zul> hmmm....got a patch? ;)
[05:16] <mjg59> There should be a ifdef CONFIG_X86 OBJS +=divdi3 endif or whatever
[05:16] <zul> gimme a sec..
[05:17] <mjg59> Oh, or is CONFIG_X86 defined for amd64
[05:17] <mjg59> Wargh
[05:17] <mjg59> ifndef CONFIG_X86_64 or whatever, then :)
[05:18] <mjg59> ifeq ($(CONFIG_X86_64),n)
[05:18] <mjg59> OBJS += divdi3.o
[05:18] <mjg59> endif
[05:18] <zul> okie dokie ill make a patch
[05:18] <mjg59> And then remove divdi3 from the first OBJS
[05:18] <zul> that syskonnect stuff is a pain in the ass
[05:18] <mjg59> Hm
[05:20] <mjg59> Then ndiswrapper needs enabling on the x86 kernel configs
[05:20] <mjg59> I've poked elmo to get the userspace stuff done
[05:20] <mjg59> Then I have a patch to get it to load the driver for my card...
[05:20] <zul> mmmmm...ok
[05:21] <mjg59> x86_64 kernel configs, that is
[05:22] <zul> cool...ill get to it as soon as i get this test kernel to build
[05:22] <mjg59> Rock, thanks
[05:24] <zul> no prob
[05:51] <zul> *sigh* at least one of my patches work
[05:52] <mjg59> :)
[05:54] <zul> mjg59, its building ill commit it tomorrow
[05:55] <mjg59> zul: Thanks!
[05:57] <zul> night
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[11:14] <marcin_ant> BenC, ping
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[01:44] <zul> hey
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[02:08] <zul> feel so old...happy bday to me
[02:36] <chmj> happy birthday chuck !
[04:00] <zul> thanks charles
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[04:19] <pawdro> does anyone know if kernel newer than 2.6.10-5 has better memory usage, because i have 256 ram and in many cases ive got 3-6mb ram free
[04:20] <pawdro> using ubuntu
[04:23] <zul> pawdro which kernel are using? 386?
[04:23] <pawdro> 386
[04:23] <pawdro> ive got 1.2GHz
[04:23] <pawdro> computer
[04:24] <zul> try using the 686 kernel
[04:26] <pawdro> hmm
[04:29] <mjg59> pawdro: Having little free memory is good
[04:29] <mjg59> The kernel will use it to cache stuff
[04:29] <pawdro> mjg59: why's that?
[04:29] <mjg59> It'll throw it away when you need more RAM
[04:29] <mjg59> There's no point in having RAM that isn't used for something
[04:34] <pawdro> but if I buy another 512, it'll speed up? won't it?
[04:35] <mjg59> Probably a little, yes
[04:35] <mjg59> It depends what you're running
[04:37] <pawdro> recently firefox(2-4 tabs) xmms 
[04:38] <pawdro> and gadu gadu client
[04:38] <pawdro> u'll probably wont know it
[04:39] <pawdro> and it's impossible to see some avi because ive got 3-4 ram free and movie slows down
[04:39] <pawdro> :/
[04:40] <mjg59> pawdro: This is very unlikely
[04:40] <mjg59> pawdro: The figure you want to look at is the line that says -/+ buffers/cache:
[04:40] <pawdro> how can I check it?
[04:40] <mjg59> pawdro: Run "free"
[04:41] <pawdro> yes;] 
[04:41] <mjg59> pawdro: This is the wrong place to be asking - #ubuntu would be better
[04:41] <pawdro> ok ok
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[04:56] <marcin_ant> pawdro, remember that linux uses a lot of ram for buffer
[04:56] <marcin_ant> pawdro, so in fact this ram is not used but taken for buffers
[04:56] <marcin_ant> pawdro, you need to run free
[04:56] <marcin_ant> pawdro, and take a look on second line of it's output
[04:57] <BenC> marcin_ant: hey
[04:57] <marcin_ant> pawdro, in first line you got 'used' and in second you got 'used - buffers'
[04:57] <marcin_ant> BenC, hi
[04:57] <pawdro> marcin_ant: can I paste 'free' here?
[04:58] <marcin_ant> pawdro, well propably yes
[04:58] <marcin_ant> pawdro, I won't scream ;)
[04:58] <marcin_ant> BenC, and what about this asus acpi thing?
[04:58] <pawdro> but i can be kicked:>
[04:58] <BenC> marcin_ant: you may want to contact the ACPI upstream maintainer and get him a copy of your dsdt to see why there is a parse error
[04:58] <pawdro> or not:p
[04:59] <pawdro>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:59] <pawdro> Mem:        256808     241396      15412          0       5584      93824
[04:59] <pawdro> -/+ buffers/cache:     141988     114820
[04:59] <pawdro> Swap:       626524      29896     596628
[04:59] <pawdro> so any conclusions?
[04:59] <BenC> marcin_ant: have you tested that system with windows?
[04:59] <marcin_ant> BenC, yes
[04:59] <BenC> does windows see the battery?
[05:00] <marcin_ant> BenC, it works ok - this battery is ACPI\PNP0C0A\O (ISA) Microsoft ACPI blablabla somethingsomething I don't remember :)
[05:00] <marcin_ant> pawdro, pretty simple situation
[05:00] <pawdro> ?
[05:01] <pawdro> and?
[05:01] <marcin_ant> pawdro, your system uses 242396 but 141988 is really taken
[05:01] <marcin_ant> pawdro, and 114820 goes for buffers/cache
[05:01] <zul> hey BenC 
[05:01] <pawdro> ok
[05:01] <mjg59> pawdro: You have 114MB of free memory
[05:01] <BenC> hey zul
[05:01] <zul> how is it going?
[05:02] <BenC> not too bad
[05:02] <BenC> zul: you have several patches in your repo?
[05:02] <pawdro> mjg59: there's nothing i can do to improove it?
[05:02] <mjg59> pawdro: In what way? You have plenty of free memory
[05:02] <mjg59> BenC: Are you doing another build before preview?
[05:02] <zul> yeah you already merged them, i had the same patches that you already commited
[05:03] <marcin_ant> pawdro, you can turn off firefox,xmms, gadu gadu and Xfree and work with emacs on console ;)
[05:03] <BenC> mjg59: I don't have a timeframe for another build, other than when I can get as many fixes as possible into the repo
[05:03] <marcin_ant> pawdro, you will only have to download ekg as gg client ;)
[05:03] <BenC> zul: really? damn, sorry
[05:03] <mjg59> BenC: Ok
[05:03] <zul> no problem...thats why we should sit down and not duplicate each other
[05:04] <mjg59> BenC: I've got a few fixes for input stuff for you
[05:04] <BenC> well, I saw one you said you would get, but I didn't notice till after I did it
[05:04] <pawdro> marcin_ant: I see :D but there's no way to improve it? like changing parameters or changing scripts?
[05:04] <pawdro> or I have to buy some ram
[05:04] <pawdro> :>
[05:04] <zul> BenC, yeah i know
[05:04] <mjg59> pawdro: Why do you want more RAM? You have plenty of free RAM
[05:04] <marcin_ant> pawdro, but seriously if you got problems with avi it's propably problem with player/codecs/video output settings/your graphics card driver
[05:04] <BenC> mjg59: cool, send them whenever you're ready
[05:05] <pawdro> in fututre (next 2 monts) I want to use eclipse
[05:05] <pawdro> and it's required 512 ram
[05:05] <zul> BenC, besides none of my patches are applying corectly anyways
[05:05] <pawdro> so I have to buy another 512 ram
[05:05] <pawdro> or more?
[05:05] <marcin_ant> pawdro, you propably can get some extra speed by tweaking hdparm settings
[05:05] <marcin_ant> pawdro, 512 for eclipse is minimum
[05:05] <pawdro> marcin_ant: it's tweaked;] 
[05:06] <marcin_ant> pawdro, I suggest emacs - it's much better than eclipse ;)
[05:06] <pawdro> marcin_ant: so U suggest to buy 512 or 1gb?
[05:06] <marcin_ant> pawdro, it depends what do you want to do with eclipse
[05:06] <pawdro> write programs:d
[05:06] <pawdro> and start learning it
[05:06] <marcin_ant> pawdro, java programs or java websites?
[05:06] <pawdro> maby db or cryptography
[05:07] <pawdro> programs
[05:07] <pawdro> and things i mentioned
[05:07] <marcin_ant> pawdro, then 512 propably will be enough
[05:07] <marcin_ant> pawdro, 512 is not enough if you want to hack some servlets and run at least one tomcat instance
[05:08] <marcin_ant> pawdro, you got 1,2 Athlon right?
[05:08] <zul> mjg59, ill commit the ndiswrapper stuff after i finished my work work
[05:08] <pawdro> marcin_ant: buying 512 ill hace 768
[05:08] <pawdro> have*
[05:08] <pawdro> celeron  1.2 tualatin
[05:08] <pawdro> and ram is dimm sdram
[05:08] <pawdro> :/
[05:08] <pawdro> unfortunatelly
[05:09] <marcin_ant> well then 768 will be definetly enough
[05:09] <marcin_ant> but believe me - eclipse will not run _fast_ on this machine
[05:09] <pawdro> marcin_ant: I suppose
[05:09] <pawdro> and i'm thinking about jbuilder 2005
[05:09] <marcin_ant> I got Athlon 1,2 GHz with 512 ddr and eclipse from ubuntu breezy
[05:10] <pawdro> but it's not discussion for that channel
[05:10] <marcin_ant> (compiled with gcj) is acceptable but slow
[05:10] <pawdro> yhm
[05:10] <zul> please take it to #ubuntu guys
[05:10] <pawdro> ok
[05:10] <marcin_ant> in fact eclipse is _fast_ on >3 GHz machines
[05:10] <marcin_ant> zul, ok
[05:11] <mjg59> zul: Thanks!
[05:11] <marcin_ant> :)
[05:11] <marcin_ant> sorry ;)
[05:11] <pawdro> ;] 
[05:11] <pawdro> sorry 2
[05:11] <pawdro> marcin_ant: r u pole?
[05:26] <mjg59> zul: Still having trouble with the sk98lin stuff?
[05:26] <zul> yeah..patch kind of works but it doesnt will look at it this week
[05:26] <mjg59> Heh
[05:27] <zul> but tonight im going out to dinner with my folks 
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[08:14] <thrice`> is fglrx going to be updated before preview ?
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[09:00] <dmk> hi guys, I am sorry to ask this here. but I am looking for the package with the source code for 2.6.12-6-386. I know there is 2.6.12-8-386 but I would like the old one so I can compare some files between each other. This is for Breezy.
[09:00] <dmk> I have been trying to work out where I could find it but to no avail - no one on #ubuntu could answer this.
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[10:39] <BenC> dmk: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/
[10:39] <BenC> get the .orig.tar.gz, and the -6 .dsc and .diff.gz
[10:44] <jbailey> BenC: Hey - are you aroudn tomorrow?
[10:45] <jbailey> BenC: I'm just finishing the update-initramfs hack, and I imagine that I'll need to get the kernel packaging to use it tomorrow (after mdz approves it for the preview)
[10:45] <jbailey> Since I missed a few pieces last time, it would be nice to have you proof the work.
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[11:30] <BenC> jbailey: yeah, I'll be on first thing in the am
[11:40] <desrt> BenC; i'd like to get bug 14050 fixed and i was wondering if you think you'd be able to fix the kernel
[11:41] <desrt> BenC; basically, ACPI is reporting batteries as "discharging" when they're not