[12:03] <sistpoty> ah... it's azureus... but i can't find it in ubuntu though...
[12:03] <HiddenWolf> He probably pulled it from somewhere.
[12:04] <HiddenWolf> never mind, the package is bad taste anyway.
[12:04] <sistpoty> hm... then he shouldn't have installed it in the first place ;)
[12:04] <HiddenWolf> You'd be amazed how many people want glittering bling on their systems.
[12:04] <HiddenWolf> amsn and such.
[12:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:05] <HiddenWolf> Then again, if msn is your social life, perhaps extra smilies is a great enhancement of your quality of life.
[12:05] <sistpoty> probably you might file a bug against the person who packaged *that* azureus (if you can track it)
[12:06] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: :-)
[12:06] <ajmitch> probably in hoary-extras in backports or something
[12:06] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!!!!!!!
[12:07] <ajmitch> yes?
[12:07] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, he got it from some repro listed at ubuntuguide, so i'm spanking first, and bugfiling later. :)
[12:07] <bddebian> Hi :-)
[12:07] <ajmitch> oh, ubuntuguide..
[12:07] <ajmitch> that explains it :)
[12:08] <HiddenWolf> As of 02/08/2005, Ubuntu backports has officially moved to the UbuntuForums site. You will be redirected momentarily.
[12:08] <sistpoty> lol, i read what i just wrote... plz. don't file bugs against persons ;)
[12:09] <HiddenWolf> "the connection was refused while contacting backports.ubuntuforums.org"
[12:11] <tseng> Mithrandir: your pymarkdown rocks
[12:11] <tseng> Mithrandir: thanks.
[12:12] <Mithrandir> tseng: yay, thanks.  :-)
[12:12] <Mithrandir> as a packager or as an user?
[12:12] <tseng> a user.
[12:12] <Mithrandir> good to hear. :-)
[12:12] <sistpoty> pymarkdown?
[12:12] <tseng> i was using markdown on wordpress
[12:12] <tseng> but now that that server is dead, i will try pyblosxom
[12:13] <tseng> Mithrandir: have you seen a wp -> pb? i cant find one.
[12:13] <Mithrandir> tseng: what format is wp in?
[12:13] <tseng> Mithrandir: sql
[12:14] <Mithrandir> should be easy enough to write something to convert it, but no, I haven't seen anything.
[12:14] <tseng> yeah im sure i could do it myself
[12:14] <tseng> but im lazy :P
[12:15] <bddebian> No kidding
[12:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Give me something to do ma
[12:16] <bddebian> N
[12:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: fix stuff
[12:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Like?
[12:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: And no one uploads my stuff anyway.. ;-P
[12:17] <ajmitch> meh, I'm busy today
[12:17] <ajmitch> the more you complain the less inclined I am to upload :P
[12:17] <bddebian> You are always busy. :-)
[12:18] <bddebian> I'm a little loathe to continue on UnmetDeps because it takes more time to see where we are then it does to fix stuff.
[12:19] <ajmitch> yes, I'm at work, so I've got work to do
[12:19] <ajmitch> I'll do ubuntu stuff when I want some R&R tonight
[12:19] <bddebian> heh
[12:20] <bddebian> OK, I'll stop bugging you, sorry
[12:20] <jblack> hey guys.
[12:20] <bddebian> Heya jblack
[12:21] <sistpoty> hi jblack
[12:21] <jblack> Started blogging. ;)
[12:22] <ajmitch> uh oh
[12:22] <ajmitch> on planet ubuntu yet?
[12:22] <jblack> Not yet.
[12:23] <jblack> anyways, if you're curious, jamesdblackwell.blogger.com
[12:23] <jblack> I was, however, thinking about starting up planet.revisioncontrol.net
[12:25] <ajmitch> host not found (the blogger url)
[12:26] <bddebian> Where the heck has dholbach been?  Or herve?
[12:26] <jblack> sorry. jamesdblackwell.blogspot.com, perhaps
[12:26] <Mithrandir> jblack: there was some whining on mailman-devel about the push mirror being broken; perhaps a notice to old users might be in order?
[12:27] <jblack> shouldn't be broken.
[12:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: dholbach has been finishing his thesis, defending his thesis, and moving
[12:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh
[12:28] <Mithrandir> jbailey: mea culpa, the debian-emacs list
[12:29] <Mithrandir> s/jbailey/jblack/
[12:30] <jblack> would you mind forwarding it to me?
[12:30] <jblack> james.blackwell@canonical.com will do fine
[12:30] <Mithrandir> jblack: the thread around http://lists.debian.org/debian-emacsen/2005/08/msg00039.html
[12:30] <Mithrandir> I'll forward it
[12:31] <jblack> says it works fine?
[12:32] <tseng> Mithrandir: http://tseng.ath.cx/pyblosxom.cgi < have you ever seen this before?
[12:32] <tseng> Mithrandir: something is spitting #s (return codes?) into my html
[12:32] <Mithrandir> jblack: that's my mail, yes, read the followup
[12:34] <Mithrandir> tseng: you're not sending out the right Content-Encoding headers.  It should send out Content-Encoding: chunked.
[12:35] <Mithrandir> jblack: anyway, I forwarded the thread to you and followed up to it, Cc-ed you.  But, I'm off to bed now.
[12:35] <Mithrandir> tseng: use apache or some other real httpd. :-P
[12:35] <Mithrandir> but, off to bed, for real.
[12:35] <tseng> Mithrandir: cya :)
[12:35] <tseng> Mithrandir: limited ram on the box.
[12:38] <bddebian> Later Mithrandir
[12:40] <jblack> Oh, You're Tollef?
[12:41] <jblack> | publicly accessible mirror site (push.sourcecontrol.net) crapped out a
[12:41] <tseng> he was :)
[12:41] <jblack> Ohhh! I see what's going on.
[12:41] <jblack> He's not talking about the supermirror. He's talking about a machine in my basement.
[12:45] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[12:45] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[12:47] <dholbach> hi
[12:47] <tritium> Hey dholbach :)
[12:47] <dholbach> hey Treenaks
[12:47] <tritium> Long time no talk, buddy!
[12:47] <dholbach> oops
[12:47] <dholbach> tritium:
[12:48] <dholbach> I FINISHED MY STUDIES
[12:48] <tritium> CONGRATULATIONS!!!
[12:48] <dholbach> woohoo! :)
[12:48] <dholbach> thank you :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: congratulations! :)
[12:48] <tritium> Awesome!
[12:48] <tseng> dholbach: hugs
[12:48] <dholbach> THANK YOU ALL
[12:48] <dholbach> i'm so happy
[12:48] <Nafallo> dholbach: YAY! good to have you back! :-)
[12:48] <dholbach> you all can't believe it
[12:48] <tritium> We're happy for you
[12:48] <dholbach> thank you Nafallo
[12:49] <ajmitch> dholbach: so we'll expect to see 25+ uploads a day from you now? ;)
[12:49] <dholbach> we'll see
[12:49] <bddebian> dholbach!!!
[12:49] <dholbach> maybe if apt-get.org stuff has my names on them ;-)
[12:49] <tritium> dholbach, now you have to move to Berlin?
[12:49] <ajmitch> heh
[12:49] <bddebian> dholbach: Congrats!!
[12:49] <slomo> congrats dholbach :)
[12:49] <dholbach> tritium: yes, and it was one of my best decisions
[12:50] <tritium> Are you there now, or will you move in the next few weeks?
[12:50] <dholbach> tritium: i already moved
[12:50] <tritium> excellent
[12:52] <bddebian> Good, then get to work.  You too tritium ..
[12:52] <dholbach> bddebian: hahahah - it's 00:52 here ;)
[12:52] <bddebian> Oh, it's early yet then :-)
[12:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: careful there..
[12:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[12:53] <sistpoty> congrats dholbach
[12:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't push people too hard ;)
[12:54] <dholbach> thank you sistpoty
[12:54] <bddebian> sistpoty: Heh, I wish I was in your shoes.  I'm 35 and haven't even started on a masters. :'-(
[12:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah. :-)
[12:55] <ajmitch> why would you need a masters?
[12:55] <ajmitch> nobody needs a masters to work on unmet deps
[12:56] <bddebian> I've been considering an MBA and my company will pay for it but I really don't know if I want one.  I'd really rather go back and get some CS stuff done.
[12:56] <tseng> i have no degree and i can outprogram anyone in my building
[12:56] <tseng> dont undervalue yourself over papers
[12:56] <bddebian> tseng: I am no programmer, believe me :-)
[12:57] <ajmitch> go get an ubuntu certification when they're out
[12:57] <tseng> bddebian: i see you fixing c++ crappiness
[12:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Now that's an idea :-)
[12:57] <bddebian> tseng: Only with others help unfortunately
[12:58] <tritium> bddebian, I'd encourage you to pursue it if it's a personal goal that you have
[01:00] <dholbach> ajmitch: you'll perform admirably in the second part of it :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> so far I'm managing the first part ok ;)
[01:00] <bddebian> Heh
[01:01] <dholbach> ajmitch: you're jesting :)
[01:01] <bddebian> tritium: Well my personal goal is winning the lottery and learning more hacking... ;-P
[01:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: yeah, if I were a bum, I'd have more spare time for ubuntu
[01:01] <tritium> bddebian, good luck ;0
[01:02] <bddebian> Then I could just pay ajmitch to be available for me 24x7 ;-P
[01:03] <tritium> This testing laptop is my only ubuntu machine at the moment...
[01:04] <tritium> dholbach, are you all settled in your apartment?
[01:05] <dholbach> tritium: still a bit to fix up, but i'm fine, the city is simply charming
[01:05] <ajmitch> coming to work on a monday morning on ~3 hours sleep isn't healthy
[01:06] <tritium> dholbach, good.  Anne and I are still unpacking boxes, and fixing up what the tenants didn't take care of so well.
[01:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, have you arranged for time off for UBZ yet?
[01:06] <ajmitch> and applied for sponsorship?
[01:07] <ajmitch> if you can get time away from family as well ;)
[01:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: UBZ?
[01:08] <ajmitch> UbuntuBelowZero, the conference in Montreal
[01:13] <bddebian> Heh
[01:13] <bddebian> Montreal?  Hmm, I might actually be able to pull that off.  What are the dates?
[01:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh (@work, sleep)
[01:14] <bddebian> heh
[01:15] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[01:15] <tritium> dholbach, will you be attending?
[01:16] <dholbach> tritium: i think so ;)
[01:16] <tritium> dholbach, that's great :)
[01:16] <bddebian> Two weeks?  Yikes
[01:16] <slomo> and no money... but that comes second ;)
[01:16] <Lathiat> well, i just need to bribe canonical
[01:16] <bddebian> Ubuntu Love Day, hehe
[01:17] <dholbach> tritium: you too?
[01:17] <dholbach> slomo: sorry to hear that
[01:17] <tritium> dholbach, no, I doubt I could take that much time off work
[01:18] <Nafallo> :-(
[01:19] <bddebian> wtf does Mapquest have against Canada? :-)
[01:19] <tseng> i was looking at canada on google maps
[01:19] <tseng> and there were like 3 highways
[01:20] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so do I, and that's the hard part
[01:20] <ajmitch> since I don't do much round here
[01:20] <Lathiat> what kind of beer does mark prefer? ;p
[01:21] <ajmitch> btw are we waiting on anything for avahi, or can they be uploaded?
[01:21] <Lathiat> um i see no reason why they cant be uploaded
[01:22] <ajmitch> ok, we have the required 2 MOTU vote, will upload ASAP :)
[01:22] <Lathiat> woo
[01:23] <dholbach> ok guys  -  i'm off to bed
[01:23] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[01:23] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[01:23] <ajmitch> sleep well
[01:23] <tritium> good night, dholbach
[01:23] <ajmitch> good to see you back ;)
[01:23] <Lathiat> cya dholbach
[01:24] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeee
[01:24] <Lathiat> ajmitch: can you just double check for me
[01:24] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes?
[01:24] <Lathiat> that the installed file is /etc/dbus-1/25-avahi-daemon (as opposed to not having the 25)
[01:24] <Lathiat> err no - between 25 and avahi
[01:24] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[01:24] <Lathiat> and that theres a debian/patches/avahi-dnsconfd-crash.patch
[01:24] <ajmitch> ok, will check
[01:24] <Lathiat> as long as thats there im happpy
[01:24] <slomo> oh so we'll have avahi tomorrow? :) seb's panel applet too?
[01:24] <Lathiat> panel applet hasnt been packaged
[01:26] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[01:28] <slomo> Lathiat: will you package it? otherwise i'll do tomorrow ;)
[01:28] <Lathiat> feel free to do it :)
[01:29] <slomo> Lathiat: thanks :) i'll just wait for the avahi packages
[01:47] <bddebian> Wow, I could drive to Montreal in 8 hours.. Hmm
[01:48] <ajmitch> Lathiat: patch is there, dbus file is correct name
[01:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: so why don't you? :)
[01:51] <bddebian> Uhm, cause it's cold?
[01:51] <bddebian> Or because you might beat me up. ;-P
[01:51] <bddebian> Or I might be divorced :-)
[01:52] <ajmitch> hah
[01:53] <ajmitch> how would I beat you up? I don't even know if I'm going to be there :)
[01:53] <bddebian> :-)
[01:53] <ajmitch> they're far less likely to sponsor someone from NZ
[01:54] <ajmitch> whereas you're in with a good chance
[01:54] <bddebian> We lost phpapi-20020918?
[01:55] <bddebian> I'd rather they sponsor someone "less fortunate".  If I can get the time,  I could afford the trip.
[01:55] <ajmitch> um?
[01:55] <ajmitch> what do you mean, lost?
[01:55] <jay> Howdy, Thom may told me to get in touch with you guys.  Apparently he's not involved with Ubuntu right now (he's the maintainer for Network Manager).  Would there be anybody willing to update Network Manager in Universe?  There are updated debs here:  http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/  Or is there a better place to request somebody in MOTU to adopt this before release?
[01:56] <bddebian> Not available.  I don't remeber seeing spplus on the unmet list before and it depends phpapi-20020918
[01:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: phpapi-* is provided by the php modules - 4.4 was ABI incompatible with 4.3
[01:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: so depend on phpapi-20050606 instead
[01:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm not "fixing" anything anymore.. ;-P
[01:57] <ajmitch> jay: we can take a look, I'd say it's a good idea to get in touch with Diziet aka Ian Jackson
[01:57] <ajmitch> since he was working on NM as well
[01:57] <jay> ajmitch: ah ok, thanks
[01:58] <tseng> are you the same as j^?
[01:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, it deps on shlibs:Depends so it should just need a rebuild eh?
[01:58] <jay> tseng: nope
[01:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: should do, I guess
[01:58] <tseng> j^ is working on it
[01:58] <tseng> oh
[01:58] <ajmitch> so there's 3 people working on NM now?
[01:59] <tseng> jay referenced j^
[01:59] <tseng> meh
[01:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: You guess? :-)
[01:59] <tseng> ogra told me not to upload the actually working one
[01:59] <tseng> and leave the totally bong smoking crap one
[01:59] <bddebian> heh
[01:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: I can't tell without looking at it
[01:59] <jay> tseng: you referring to NM?
[01:59] <bddebian> Oh, so now you don't "trust" me? ;-P
[01:59] <tseng> jay: yes.
[01:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: you asked me..
[02:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm kidding
[02:00] <jay> tseng: do you know if a fixed version will be uploaded by release?
[02:00] <tseng> haha
[02:00] <tseng> i know that 2 weeks ago diziet didnt even realize he broke it
[02:01] <tseng> good luck.
[02:01] <jay> Well, I guess i'll try and push for it... we're trying to support a bunch of laptop users here at the university and it's driving me nuts ;)
[02:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: it does some header parsing magic in rules, but it should still work with just a rebuild
[02:02] <ajmitch> I'll give it a test
[02:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought you were "busy"? ;-)
[02:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: I am, I'm queuing rebuilds before I go away to lunch
[02:03] <ajmitch> yes, you are :P
[02:03] <bddebian> Sorry man, it just seems like we have a lot to do and breezy is coming up fast.  "Just trying to help". :'-(
[02:03] <ajmitch> bbl
[02:17] <womble> bddebian: I think the lurker factor is much higher -- 10x or so.
[02:17] <bddebian> Aye, though lower here than I have seen in many channels
[02:18] <crimsun> I just don't /quit my client on my shell
[02:19] <hub> cool
[02:19] <hub> someone submitted valgrind-ppc
[02:19] <hub> I was thinking about doing it next after the 3 other get uploaded
[02:19] <hub> ....
[02:22] <bddebian> crimsun: I didn't mean you :-)
[02:22] <bddebian> And of course tseng and ajmitch probably wish I would shut up so it probably goes both ways ;-)
[02:23] <crimsun> =)
[02:51] <ogra> tseng, what ?
[02:52] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[02:52] <ogra> hi
[02:52] <bddebian> I think they were talking about network manager
[02:53] <ogra> i know, i read the backlog
[02:54] <ogra> i was just wondering why tseng said what he said...
[02:54] <tseng> ogra: i told them to address ubuntu-devel, i am too mean.
[02:55] <ogra> tseng, i wante ^j to get in touch with diziet before i approve any upload, that happened, so feel free to upload any time
[02:55] <tseng> ogra: you dont think now that it will conflict with main inclusion with +!?
[02:55] <tseng> +1
[02:57] <ogra> i think it might conflict, but since the two devs working on it are in touch, i hope they can work it our
[02:57] <tseng> then I guess we need to hear from j^ again about what they came up with
[02:58] <bddebian> tseng: You are mean? ;-)
[02:58] <tseng> bddebian: very.
[02:58] <ogra> yay
[02:58] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050905/report.html
[02:58] <tseng> thanks ogra
[02:58] <ogra> thats beatuty
[02:58] <tseng> oh, nice work
[02:58] <ogra> beauty even
[02:58] <bddebian> Yeah that's nice.  Now, get on Universe stuff
[02:58] <ogra> if base-config/late_command works too, i'm done :)
[02:59] <bddebian> :-)
[02:59] <ogra> but that needs an installation...
[02:59] <ogra> and 3am is not the time to start that /me thinks
[02:59] <bddebian> Heh
[03:01] <Nafallo> hi again! is /etc/[dillorc,dpidrc]  conffiles?
[03:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: bad news is that an spplus rebuild didn't appear to fix the Depends
[03:05] <Nafallo> the policy seems to suggest those files are not conffiles, but the last debian package list them as such ;-).
[03:05] <ajmitch> Nafallo: they should be conffiles
[03:05] <Nafallo> ajmitch: why? :-)
[03:06] <ajmitch> because that's what policy says for /etc
[03:06] <ajmitch> debhelper compat level 3 automatically marks files in /etc/ as conffiles
[03:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll file a bug on php4 then
[03:08] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I have NFC what goes wrong here in that case :-(. http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/d/dillo/0.8.5-0ubuntu2/dillo_0.8.5-0ubuntu2_20050905-0039-i386-failed.gz
[03:09] <ajmitch> Nafallo: what, that config.status was removed?
[03:10] <Nafallo> in the clean-target yes
[03:11] <ajmitch> that it's not there at all
[03:12] <sistpoty> Nafallo: force ignoring the rm errors (should be s.th. like "-$(RM) config.log config.guess")
[03:13] <sistpoty> in the clean target
[03:13] <Nafallo> hmm
[03:14] <sistpoty> *g*
[03:19] <sistpoty> Nafallo: debian/rules:15 add "-" ;)
[03:19] <sistpoty> that will hopefully do the trick
[03:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok, I was wrong, php4 changelog explains the situation, spplus needs fixed
[03:22] <ajmitch> fixed (1-liner)
[03:26] <Nafallo> ehm, oops
[03:26] <Nafallo> wrong changelog btw ;-)
[03:26] <Nafallo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/d/dillo/0.8.5-0ubuntu1/dillo_0.8.5-0ubuntu1_20050905-0012-i386-failed.gz
[03:27] <ajmitch> bah
[03:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:28] <Nafallo> that's what bugs me ;-)
[03:36] <Nafallo> anyone? :-P
[03:37] <sistpoty> Nafallo: seems like /etc/dillorc is not there, but it is mentioned in conffiles
[03:38] <Nafallo> it IS there :-)
[03:38] <sistpoty> hm...
[03:39] <Nafallo> I runned ls debian/tmp/etc right before dh_builddep to try ;-)
[03:40] <ajmitch> when it should be in debian/dillo/etc ?
[03:40] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[03:40] <sistpoty> yep... any special reason you install to debian/tmp?
[03:41] <Nafallo> ehm, the debian maintainer do ;-)
[03:41] <jsgotangco> morning
[03:52] <sistpoty> Nafallo: imo you can just drop the dh_movefiles and install to debian/dillo... (or create a dillo.files)
[03:53] <Nafallo> sistpoty: yepp, I did that now :-)
[03:53] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:53] <Nafallo> sistpoty: works!
[03:53] <sistpoty> cool
[03:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch, sistpoty: thanx for all help :-)
[03:54] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[03:55] <sistpoty> so, it's almost 4am here... time to get some sleep. gn8 everybody
[03:56] <Nafallo> I'm in the same timezone as sistpoty, but I really want to see that this builds first ;-)
[04:23] <Nafallo> yay!
[04:24] <Nafallo> dillo built on all arches :-)
[04:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:32] <Nafallo> run_lintian = 1 in dput.conf was a good thing (TM)
[04:33] <ajmitch> heh
[04:36] <chillywilly> good evening
[08:23] <pef> hi
[08:41] <ivoks> dholbach: :)
[08:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <dholbach> hi ivoks :)
[08:43] <ivoks> morning
[08:49] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[08:49] <jsgotangco> congrats
[08:49] <dholbach> thank you jsgotangco :)
[08:49] <ivoks> dholbach: you did it?!
[08:49] <ivoks> dholbach: congrats!!!!
[08:49] <dholbach> ivoks: YES :)
[08:49] <ivoks> jsgotangco: hi
[08:49] <dholbach> thanks
[08:49] <dholbach> woohoo
[08:49] <dholbach> !
[08:49] <ivoks> now you are? :)
[08:49] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:50] <jsgotangco> he's free
[08:50] <ivoks> :
[08:50] <ivoks> ))
[08:50] <dholbach> yes
[08:50] <jsgotangco> and he's finally aged
[08:50] <dholbach> it feels so good :)
[08:50] <ivoks> and the titule?
[08:50] <ivoks> phd?
[08:50] <dholbach> "Diplom-Informatiker (FH)"
[08:50] <ivoks> hehe
[08:50] <dholbach> it's a diploma, not a ph.d. :)
[08:51] <Mithrandir> hi and congrats, dholbach
[08:51] <ivoks> oh, then.... what were you doing till now? :))
[08:51] <ivoks> joke..
[08:53] <dholbach> ivoks: you're so funny :-)
[08:53] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[08:53] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, how's it going?
[08:54] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[08:54] <dholbach> i'm fine, thank you
[08:54] <dholbach> the motu report is due again - could we get some quotes, some infos on what happened?
[08:55] <dholbach> that's not true
[08:55] <ivoks> dholbach: don't take it personaly :)
[08:55] <dholbach> i read universe-bugs and breezy-changes ;)
[08:55] <dholbach> ivoks: i dont, dont worry :)
[08:55] <ivoks> dholbach: well, you should :))))
[08:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: heh ok
[08:56] <siretart> morning, guys
[08:56] <siretart> dholbach!!
[08:56] <siretart> dholbach: already in berlin?
[08:56] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[08:56] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[08:56] <ajmitch> I got anjuta synced finally
[08:56] <dholbach> siretart: yes :-D
[08:56] <siretart> wooohoo!
[08:56] <siretart> dholbach: :)
[08:56] <siretart> dholbach: already answered pef, you are CC:'ed
[08:57] <dholbach> siretart: excellent
[08:57] <ajmitch> s/decs/devs/
[08:57] <siretart> are there so few .au ubuntus?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> same here
[08:57] <jsgotangco> i feel so lonely out here in the middle of the pacific
[08:57] <ajmitch> bah
[08:58] <ajmitch> why does everyone think I am in .au? ;)
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hah
[08:58] <dholbach> man... do some recruiting!
[08:58] <dholbach> tststs
[08:58] <jsgotangco> because its the other au state
[08:58] <siretart> dholbach: I'm already trying to do so with Marce ;)
[08:58] <ivoks> jsgotangco: hawaii? :)
[08:58] <pef> siretart: hi, what's the problem with CC ?
[08:58] <siretart> CC?
[08:59] <pef> dholbach: hi, for the moment I can not read your email, hard crash of my mail server, restoring...
[08:59] <pef> siretart: [08:56]  <siretart> dholbach: already answered pef, you are CC:'ed
[08:59] <siretart> pef: ah, I answered your question about galan, dholbach is CC'ed. shall I bounce you the email somewhere else?
[09:00] <pef> siretart: ok, sorry, understood CC as Community Council .. morning is bad ;)
[09:01] <siretart> hehe
[09:01] <siretart> no, CC as in Carbon Copy ;)
[09:01] <siretart> CC could also mean Creative Commons..
[09:02] <ivoks> motu that can upload? :)
[09:02] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/aqsis.diff
[09:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: btw well done on the grade you got, just reading planet ubuntu now :)
[09:04] <dholbach> hehe... thanks
[09:05] <siretart> dholbach: congrats dude! :)
[09:05] <pef> ivoks: hi, it's the merge from debian version ?
[09:05] <ivoks> pef: yes, i allready fixed it
[09:05] <dholbach> thank you reinhard
[09:06] <jsgotangco> dholbach, check your email if you have time my friend, no rush :)
[09:07] <tritium> jsgotangco, you're in Quezon City?
[09:07] <jsgotangco> I am
[09:07] <tritium> No kidding.  My wife grew up there.
[09:07] <jsgotangco> its a nice place
[09:07] <tritium> indeed
[09:07] <jsgotangco> have you been there?
[09:08] <tritium> Yes, before we were married in 2002
[09:08] <dholbach> jsgotangco: will do :)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> ahhh so you know the idosyncracy of our country then :)
[09:09] <tritium> i loved every bit of it
[09:10] <jsgotangco> so you got married to the "whole" family heh
[09:12] <tritium> Yes, I had to meet all the titos/titas, lolo, lola, and the cousins
[09:13] <ajmitch> ok, about to upload avahi, any objections?
[09:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nerp sounds good to me
[09:14] <ajmitch> well I'd expect that ;)
[09:14] <dholbach> thank you jsgotangco - will have a look at that later today - how did it go?
[09:14] <jsgotangco> dholbach, not yet, sept. 14
[09:15] <jsgotangco> err 16 rather
[09:15] <dholbach> jsgotangco: oh, right - will have a look
[09:18] <ivoks> dholbach: do you have 3 minutes?
[09:18] <dholbach> ivoks: sure
[09:18] <ivoks> or ajmitch ?
[09:18] <ivoks> aqsis needs upload
[09:18] <dholbach> is it on revu?
[09:18] <ivoks> debdiff it's http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/aqsis.diff
[09:18] <ivoks> no, cause it's small change (gl transition)
[09:18] <dholbach> aalright
[09:18] <dholbach> will do
[09:18] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[09:19] <ivoks> i don't think upload to revu would be good idea
[09:19] <dholbach> right
[09:19] <ivoks> since this is our top priority
[09:19] <dholbach> ivoks: it builds and works again?
[09:19] <ivoks> and things tend to stall on revu :)
[09:19] <ivoks> dholbach: yep
[09:19] <dholbach> super
[09:20] <ivoks> it builds :)
[09:22] <siretart> regarding revu: sistpoty is doing an really awesome job: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/timeline
[09:22] <dholbach> ivoks: your patch doesnt apply
[09:23] <dholbach> ivoks: i'll do it manually
[09:23] <ivoks> ?
[09:23] <ivoks> dholbach: did you update?
[09:23] <ivoks> new aqsis camed today
[09:24] <dholbach> i see
[09:25] <ivoks> where is isle of man? geographicly
[09:26] <ajmitch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man
[09:27] <siretart> ajmitch: have you already asked daniels about xfig?
[09:27] <ivoks> ah..
[09:27] <ajmitch> siretart: nope
[09:27] <ivoks> i didn't know it's a country :)
[09:29] <dholbach> ivoks: done
[09:29] <ivoks> dholbach: thanks
[09:29] <ajmitch> yay, now that dholbach is back to handle stuff, ajmitch is obsolete ;)
[09:29] <ivoks> :)
[09:30] <dholbach> ajmitch: shut up - we absolutely need you and you know that!
[09:30] <dholbach> :)
[09:30] <ajmitch> hah
[09:30] <dholbach> hahaha
[09:30] <ajmitch> dholbach: work might be quite busy for me for the next 3-4 weeks
[09:31] <dholbach> i absolutely understand
[09:31] <ajmitch> and that's most of the rest of the breezy cycle
[09:31] <dholbach> which of the (HEART) items on REVU were uploaded already?
[09:32] <ajmitch> ;)
[09:32] <siretart> dholbach: I tend to make a comment below if I uploaded something..
[09:33] <dholbach> i see
[09:33] <ajmitch> siretart: and archive it?
[09:33] <siretart> and normally archive it
[09:33] <siretart> but it would be perhaps better to nuke them
[09:34] <siretart> there are known bugs in revu about that..
[09:34] <ajmitch> ok
[09:39] <dholbach> will take care of wifi-radar and pwmanager
[09:42] <ivoks> ?
[09:42] <ivoks> wifi-radar?
[09:42] <ivoks> anyway... see you :)
[09:47] <jsgotangco> hmm how cracking is beagle on breezy?
[09:48] <siretart> works for me..
[09:48] <jsgotangco> it has a guide on the beagle main site and Im tempted to play around
[10:05] <tritium> good night
[10:05] <dholbach> bye tritium
[10:05] <tritium> see you soon
[10:25] <dholbach> ok... who helps me gathering the MOTU bits of last month?
[10:31] <dholbach> who wants to get mentioned in the motu report? :)
[10:32] <jsgotangco> hmm doesnt seem to index
[10:41] <jsgotangco> ahh its sniffing now..
[11:00] <\sh> morning
[11:00] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:00] <dholbach> good morning
[11:01] <\sh> if this is a good morning I don't really know
[11:02] <jsgotangco> hmm whats wrong
[11:02] <dholbach> hm?
[11:02] <\sh> my ex is in hospital
[11:03] <\sh> and (actually this is good) I'm taking care about my little one
[11:05] <\sh> and I have to do my tax stuff, got the final warning from the tax office
[11:05] <\sh> and now everything what I planned for the next two weeks is just messed up
[11:08] <dholbach> oh... sounds like a lot to do
[11:08] <dholbach> i wish you "bon courage!" with that
[11:10] <\sh> dholbach: I was on my to cologne when I got the call from the eldest son of my ex...so I was quite shocked and then I hurried to troisdorf
[11:10] <\sh> +way
[11:10] <dholbach> \sh: i can imagine :/
[11:11] <\sh> and when I read your blog entry this morning I was quite *censored* when I read doko was also there
[11:12] <dholbach> *censored* should indicate you were... what exactly?
[11:12] <\sh> pissed
[11:12] <dholbach> i see :-/
[11:12] <dholbach> next tiem
[11:12] <dholbach> time
[11:13] <\sh> it's only postponed
[11:13] <\sh> not canceld
[11:13] <\sh> +e
[11:13] <dholbach> absolutely
[11:15] <\sh> hope u had a nice time the weekend?
[11:16] <dholbach> it was gorgeous
[11:17] <jsgotangco> i look forward to having beers with you guys again soon
[11:19] <\sh> grmpf...
[11:20] <\sh> what tax identification I have to use now for my einkommensteuer? I have two
[11:32] <dholbach> could you please tell me what's missing on this one: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/motu-7.txt ?
[11:32] <dholbach> PLEASE! :)
[11:33] <\sh> I think it's all...well.I wasn't there last week ,-) but I saw ajmitch rocking a lot
[11:34] <dholbach> 4 weeks :)
[11:34] <dholbach> not just last week :)
[11:34] <dholbach> but thanks, will talk about ajmitch
[11:38] <dholbach> ivoks's aqsis failed to build
[11:38] <dholbach> gna
[11:49] <\sh> dholbach: can u put the motu reports somewhere on the wiki?
[11:50] <dholbach> MOTUReportDraft?
[11:50] <dholbach> i could put it there - sure
[11:50] <dholbach> we should move to a MOTU/... structure on the wiki
[11:50] <dholbach> i'd like that
[11:51] <\sh> I just added the MOTUMeetingMinutes of the 23rd of August to the wiki
[11:51] <\sh> just forgot about it
[11:51] <\sh> and now I have a shower and prepare lunch for the little one
[11:52] <\sh> cu later guys
[11:53] <dholbach> MOTUReportDraft is up
[12:54] <dholbach> :-)
[12:55] <ajmitch> no need to put that in about me :)
[12:56] <pef> :] 
[12:59] <ogra> Currently we face the last weeks five weeks before ... ??
[01:00] <ajmitch> 'last five weeks', perhaps
[01:00] <ogra> yup
[01:02] <dholbach> before the release?
[01:02] <dholbach> breezy release? no?
[01:02] <ajmitch> yes..
[01:03] <dholbach> ok
[01:03] <ajmitch> it's come round very fast
[01:17] <ajmitch> what else can we put in the MOTU report? there were plenty of guys doing great work
[01:18] <siretart> ghc6 issue?
[01:18] <dholbach> yeah, and i'm sure i forgot all their names
[01:18] <dholbach> yeah, sure
[01:18] <dholbach> please note it down
[01:19] <siretart> php 4.4?
[01:19] <ajmitch> siretart: ghc6 is still at 6.2.2 in the archive
[01:19] <ajmitch> not sure where infinity is going there
[01:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: like trent lloyd, aka Lathiat? :)
[01:19] <siretart> ajmitch: infinity already uploaded the latest ghc6 nmu from debian and promised to bootstrap it
[01:20] <ajmitch> siretart: yep, I know he uploaded
[01:20] <ajmitch> the bootstrap part is what we're waiting for :)
[01:20] <siretart> okay. another thing we need to poke him with again ;)
[01:21] <siretart> :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> this one was old, we fixed it awhile back
[01:26] <ajmitch> sigh..
[01:26] <ajmitch> dholbach: now that you have plenty of spare time, want to fix my packages for me? ;)
[01:26] <dholbach> ajmitch: i don't think so ;-)
[01:26] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:26] <ajmitch> you don't expect to have much spare time for awhile then
[01:27] <dholbach> ajmitch: i don't want all the fun of the world in my life - you should have some too :)
[01:27] <ajmitch> haha
[01:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: thanks for doing that
[01:32] <dholbach> i will add some new crack later
[01:32] <dholbach> some nice games repositories
[01:32] <dholbach> *ROCK*
[01:32] <dholbach> everybody loves games :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> some of these packages are done by upstream, who are better programmers than packagers :)
[01:33] <dholbach> hehe
[01:51] <jblack> Hey guys.
[01:52] <ogra> hey jblack
[01:52] <ajmitch> hey jblack
[01:52] <dholbach> woohoo, JAMES!
[01:53] <jblack> dholbach! Mr. Doctorate!
[01:53] <dholbach> haha... not really :)
[01:53] <jblack> You should learn bazaar-ng, to keep that thesis in. :)
[01:53] <dholbach> will do
[02:18] <dholbach> bbiab
[02:18] <slomo> siretart: ping... please remove the ipod-sharp upload from revu's incoming ;)
[02:30] <ajmitch> hmm
[02:30] <ajmitch>    * Added Build-Depends on libxp-dev and libselinux1-dev
[02:30] <ajmitch> libselinux? for a card game??
[02:30] <ajmitch> crazy people :)
[02:30] <ajmitch> wb dholbach
[02:30] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:30] <tseng> dont you need that for dbus stuff in unstable?
[02:31] <tseng> or something
[02:31] <ajmitch> nope
[02:31] <dholbach> ajmitch: i was just about to go - just rebooted the box before :)
[02:31] <ajmitch> next debian changelog is..* Removed Build-Depends on libselinux1-dev (xorg-x11 mistake caused FTBFS).
[02:31] <ajmitch> yay, building it causes an FTBFS anyway
[02:33] <ajmitch> does anyone know where mkdirhier has gone to now that xutils is split?
[02:35] <slomo> is someone here who has access to the revu server? i need something removed from incoming ;)
[02:37] <ajmitch> hm, this package has a completely empty changelog entry ;)
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: you still dont want an account on tiber? ;)
[03:05] <slomo> siretart: hmm... i have a acc for svn and trac ;)
[03:05] <siretart> ne, ssh would be needed
[03:05] <slomo> ok, then i don't have one :P
[03:07] <siretart> slomo: done
[03:07] <slomo> thanks :)
[03:11] <siretart> are sata drives nowadays /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX?
[03:13] <Lathiat> sdX
[03:14] <siretart> thnx
[03:24] <slomo> siretart: did you talk to your vserver friend yet? :)
[03:26] <siretart> slomo: he was online a few minutes ago, I think he is at university..
[03:27] <slomo> siretart: ok... well, i'll just wait for an answer then ;)
[03:57] <dholbach> what is going on on the motu fixing front? :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:05] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[04:05] <dholbach> how's it going?
[04:06] <bddebian> dholbach: OK, thanks. You?
[04:07] <dholbach> bddebian: fine, thank you - a bit tired, but that's ok
[04:07] <dholbach> so where do we go universe-wise?
[04:07] <dholbach> what will happen the next 5 weeks?
[04:08] <bddebian> Are you asking me? :-)
[04:08] <dholbach> yep
[04:09] <bddebian> Uhm, aren't you are fearsome leader? :-)
[04:09] <dholbach> haha :)
[04:09] <ogra> dholbach, we concentrate on fixing the transitions... and hopefully some bugs before release...
[04:09] <Lathiat> heh
[04:10] <Lathiat> i want 0 unmet deps when we release, damnit.
[04:10] <dholbach> so where are the lists? what are we all doing? :)
[04:10] <Lathiat> at elast no worse than the 75 we had in hoary
[04:10] <ogra> dholbach, no work should go into new packages except there is a big user request etc...
[04:10] <Lathiat> dholbach: see the mintues i posted of the last meeting
[04:10] <bddebian> I have been trying with UnmetDeps but it's a little slow :-(
[04:10] <dholbach> ogra: we'll see about that
[04:10] <Lathiat> the major transitions are lited
[04:10] <Lathiat> listed
[04:10] <dholbach> bddebian: i can imagine
[04:11] <dholbach> there's a test rebuild of the archive running atm
[04:11] <ogra> dholbach, we agreed to concentrate on fixing and not waste manpower at this stage of the release
[04:11] <bddebian> dholbach: Well mainly because we are low on uploaders :-)
[04:12] <dholbach> ogra: we have the ExpandingUniverse goal as well - so don't make it a black-and-white--decision please - i know for sure we need to fix existing stuff :)
[04:12] <ogra> dholbach, we are *months* after all freeze dates
[04:12] <dholbach> right
[04:12] <ogra> dholbach, you and i are responsible for approving UVF exceptions, please take that seriously
[04:15] <bddebian> Well you two should know by now, I'm willing to do whatever but it would be nice to have some direction. :-)
[04:23] <bddebian> I can see that means a lot :-)
[04:36] <bddebian> Does MOTUness mean we can close bugs etc on Launchpad too or is that a seperate process?
[04:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: separate, anyone can do that :P
[04:42] <ajmitch> at least those that are unassigned..
[04:42] <ajmitch> you *may* need to be in the motu group to close bugs assigned to MOTU
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:44] <bddebian> Don't you sleep man? :-)
[04:44] <ajmitch> nope
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you get a chance to ask piiti about any of the postgre stuff yet?
[05:00] <dholbach> somebody wants to send the motu report to ubuntu-{users,devel}@lists.ubuntu,com?
[05:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope, not yet
[05:01] <bddebian> dholbach: What type of report?
[05:02] <dholbach> MOTUReportDraft? :)
[05:02] <dholbach> but i can do it too - i just fancied somebody else having another look :)
[05:03] <bddebian> How'd my name get on there? ;-)
[05:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: by doing stuff
[05:03] <dholbach> ajmitch: i see :-p
[05:04] <ajmitch> :)
[05:06] <dholbach> "corrections" PAH!
[05:06] <ajmitch> what?
[05:06] <Lathiat> you dare insult your god?
[05:07] <dholbach> NOOOOOOOOO :)
[05:07] <ajmitch> better?
[05:07] <dholbach> you guys had too much sun today
[05:07] <ajmitch> haha
[05:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: it didn't read very well, as that sentence was written
[05:10] <dholbach> you could have rephrased it instead of removing it :)
[05:10] <dholbach> haha... you're so funny :-p
[05:10] <bddebian> dholbach: Yes, you need to add ajmitch too.  He's my saviour :-)
[05:11] <dholbach> you add him :)
[05:11] <ajmitch> I really didn't mean what showed up in the meeting minutes..
[05:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: When do you ever have a sense of humor?
[05:11] <ajmitch> since I understood that you were busy
[05:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i did explain that ;p
[05:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't worry
[05:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's all fine :)
[05:11] <Lathiat> i was just being silly :)
[05:11] <Lathiat> seems a few too many people took it seriously
[05:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: that silliness gets mailed out, without the context :)
[05:14] <ajmitch> tiem to kill galeon again
[05:14] <ajmitch> using a constant ~80% CPU & 500MB RAM
[05:14] <bddebian> Damn I have got to get my launchpad password changed
[05:15] <ajmitch> why?
[05:15] <Lathiat> mm
[05:15] <Lathiat> x2x doesnt work so well from an already x2x'd display
[05:15] <Lathiat> shame
[05:16] <ajmitch> sigh, launchpad doesn't handle session timeouts well
[05:16] <ajmitch> all I get is "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication." when commenting on the bug :)
[05:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I can't remember it :)
[05:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[05:27] <bddebian> Shoot, slomo should probably be added too
[05:27] <bddebian> Anyway, shower time, bbl
[05:27] <ajmitch> yep
[05:27] <slomo> ?
[05:28] <ajmitch> slomo: to the MOTU Report
[05:28] <slomo> why? what have i done? ;)
[05:28] <dholbach> ajmitch: exactly... slomo: add some stuff from the motumedia project stuff :)
[05:29] <ogra> slomo fixed mplayer... right ?
[05:29] <ogra> thats quite remarkable for the report i think ;)
[05:30] <slomo> yes... hm, but better someone else adds it there ;) i hate writing about myself
[05:30] <dholbach> slomo: go ahead :)
[05:30] <dholbach> some visions - some ideas - invite people to your team
[05:32] <slomo> ok, i'll try in a few minutes... hm, something else i should add?
[05:32] <dholbach> whatevery you can think of
[05:41] <ajmitch> dholbach: thanks for asking for phpgw sync :)
[05:42] <dholbach> de rien :)
[05:42] <dholbach> i'm subscribed to debian-announce - so it's no big deal
[05:45] <ajmitch> sigh, packages with -Werror, that have gcc 4.0 warnings
[05:46] <dholbach> ouch, yes
[05:46] <dholbach> that's normally a good thing for upstream people, but not for distros :)
[05:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:49] <dholbach> robitaille: hellas! :)
[05:49] <robitaille> hi dholbach
[05:50] <ajmitch> we need malone bug loving
[05:50] <ajmitch> and it's too big for 1 person to do it all :)
[05:51] <robitaille> I was going to do some soon... now that the laptop testing is starting to be less time consuming
[05:52] <ajmitch> robitaille: by bug love, I mean mainly fixing
[05:52] <ajmitch> although general triage & cleanup is also needed
[05:52] <robitaille> i can only do what i can do :)
[05:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'd like to jump on Malone but.. :-)
[05:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: then do so, please
[05:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: You know my skillset. :-(
[05:53] <ajmitch> yes, good enough to do MOTU work
[05:53] <robitaille> but i noticed a bug report of an init script that needs lsb love; that i can do
[05:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: You are on crack d00d :-)
[05:54] <bddebian> Are there still a shitload of duplicate bugs?
[05:54] <ajmitch> why do you say I am on crack?
[05:54] <bddebian> That my skills are good enough :-)
[06:00] <dholbach> sent it :)
[06:01] <ajmitch> ok
[06:04] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:04] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[06:06] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[06:11] <bddebian> Hello sistpoty
[06:18] <ajmitch> rock, quake2 biulds & runs
[06:18] <ajmitch> it just doesn't run fullscreen or grab the mouse..
[06:18] <bddebian> Heh
[06:19] <ajmitch> it used to run fullscreen just fine
[06:19] <sistpoty> the original quake2?
[06:20] <doko> ajmitch: should #1822 be reassigned to wxglade?
[06:21] <ajmitch> the package in breezy
[06:21] <ajmitch> doko: if it exists now, but I just closed it because I uploaded recently
[06:22] <ajmitch> it was a duplicate of #1914, also
[06:22] <doko> ajmitch: ahh, I see, that needs to be synced anyway ...
[06:23] <ajmitch> ah, it's new from debian
[06:23] <ajmitch> I saw it on apt-get.org lists
[06:29] <bddebian> pbuiloder suggests pbuilder-uml but I don't see it in Ubuntu or Debian.  Should that be dropped?
[06:30] <ajmitch> it's just a suggests..
[06:31] <bmonty> wouldn't pbuilder-uml be for user mode linux?
[06:31] <ajmitch> and pbuilder is in main, iirc
[06:31] <bddebian> It's bug #814
[06:31] <ajmitch> yes
[06:31] <bddebian> If it's main, why is it on Malone?
[06:31] <ajmitch> because someone entered it on malone
[06:32] <bddebian> Should be closed?
[06:36] <ajmitch> if you really wish
[06:36] <bddebian> What the hell does that mean?
[06:36] <ajmitch> it means, use your judgement :P
[06:37] <bddebian> Come on man.  Should I just not bother trying to help?
[06:37] <ajmitch> help out, by all means
[06:38] <ajmitch> it's still a valid bug, just not for universe
[06:38] <ajmitch> if you close it in malone, then make sure the bug is in bugzilla
[06:40] <bddebian> It's not in bugzilla but didn't you two just say "it's just a suggests" so it isn't really a bug?
[06:40] <ajmitch> no, I mean that at best it's a minor bug
[06:41] <sistpoty> perhaps you want to open a bug in bugzilla and close the malone one (referring to the bugzilla bug)... so you have another option make the choice more difficult ;)
[06:41] <ajmitch> if you want to go to that much effort
[06:42] <bddebian> sistpoty: That's what I'm doing now
[06:42] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:42] <ajmitch> considering how much other work we have to get done, I wouldn't consider that one worth the effort :)
[06:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: Then tell me what to do man
[06:45] <bddebian> Why are you sighing at me now?
[06:46] <bmonty> you could download the colony 4 CD and test install it :)
[06:47] <sistpoty> do you think it contains that many errors that bddebian can't ask questions for some time? ;) (just kidding)
[06:47] <ogra> bddebian, what about asking in #launchpad to get your malone password resetted ...
[06:48] <bddebian> ogra: I already reset it, I just forgot it.. I'm a dork. :-0
[06:48] <bddebian> sistpoty: I can't parse that sentence?
[06:48] <ajmitch> sistpoty: shh :P
[06:48] <bmonty> sistpoty: heh, no...just suggesting something interesting to do :)
[06:49] <bddebian> Oh, now I get it..
[06:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw if you want advice, ogra is our resident BugMaster :)
[06:50] <ogra> *sigh* i hoped the world had forgotten about it ...
[06:50] <bddebian> I just want to help wherever it is most needed/effective
[06:50] <ogra> :)
[06:50] <ajmitch> ogra: how could we possibly forget you? ;)
[06:51] <ogra> not me, just the bugmaster :)
[06:51] <ajmitch> heh
[06:51] <bddebian> ogra: OK, 836 is about deps for xlibmesa which has already been fixed as part of transitions.  Close that one?
[06:52] <ogra> yup
[06:52] <bddebian> 2 down, 517 to go ;-P
[06:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: is it really fixed?
[06:55] <ajmitch> hm, it's on breezy-changes..
[06:57] <ajmitch> ah, libgli1-mesa provides libgl1, of course
[06:57] <ajmitch> strange that the depends still have xlibmesa though
[06:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes
[06:58] <bddebian> Well it Works for Me(tm)
[06:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can I /query you quick?
[06:59] <ajmitch> if you wish
[06:59] <ajmitch> depends if freenode lets you
[06:59] <bddebian> It won't let me?
[07:06] <dholbach> bbl
[07:08] <bddebian> ogra: Here's another one.  #910.  A comment is made that it was already fixed back in June.  Why wouldn't it have been closed?
[07:09] <ajmitch> because plug didn't have rights to close it, perhaps
[07:14] <bmonty> bbl, going to go install colony 4
[07:15] <ajmitch> good luck :)
[07:25] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[07:25] <sistpoty> hi mbreit
[07:25] <mbreit> hi all!
[07:25] <mbreit> hey bddebian, sistpoty ;)
[07:25] <ajmitch> hello mbreit
[07:26] <ajmitch> mbreit: your name is famous
[07:26] <mbreit> famous? my name??
[07:27] <ajmitch> mbreit: you're in the MOTU report!
[07:27] <mbreit> ajmitch: i know ;)
[07:28] <ajmitch> therefore you are famous
[07:29] <dholbach> see you later
[07:29] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[07:29] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[07:30] <mbreit> bye dholbach
[07:30] <dholbach> byeeee :)
[07:33] <bddebian> Jesus, how old are these bugs?  For #1106 he says gcompris versions are 4.x and I get 6.x..??
[07:33] <ajmitch> ah, gcompris is ogra territory
[07:33] <ajmitch> bug date  is on the side
[07:33] <ogra> bddebian, close it please :)
[07:34] <bddebian> ogra: As fixed?
[07:34] <ajmitch> incoherence of bug report...
[07:34] <bddebian> heh
[07:34] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[07:34] <bddebian> \sh!!!
[07:34] <ajmitch> what's new?
[07:35] <mbreit> hi \sh
[07:35] <\sh> hey guys
[07:35] <\sh> I just downloaded colony 4
[07:35] <ajmitch> great
[07:35] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[07:35] <\sh> need to prepare the boot kernel to work with my yukon driver
[07:36] <\sh> and I didn't realize how tired it can be, to take care about a child :)
[07:36] <ajmitch> \sh: hehe
[07:36] <\sh> but this is the best day in my life ,-)
[07:36] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[07:36] <ajmitch> so you're back to MOTU work now?
[07:36] <bddebian> Hey, that's MY line :-)
[07:37] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe...I will do what I can during school hours of my little one :)
[07:37] <sistpoty> lol
[07:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch: got my laptop
[07:37] <ajmitch> \sh: how long are you looking after the child?
[07:37] <ajmitch> Lathiat: great, can I be jealous yet?
[07:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch: '635 hours remaining until charged (92%)'
[07:37] <Lathiat> heh
[07:37] <\sh> ajmitch: dunno...my ex is in the hospital...looks like one week or so...
[07:37] <bddebian> Ugh
[07:37] <ajmitch> \sh: right, so you've got a week or so off work?
[07:38] <\sh> ajmitch: I have 2 weeks of holiday
[07:38] <ajmitch> great!
[07:38] <ajmitch> 2 weeks of breezy fixing :)
[07:38] <bddebian> Heh
[07:38] <\sh> ajmitch: but my plans and schedules I had to change completly...I wanted to be in berlin over the weekend...but anyways...
[07:38] <ajmitch> yes, I saw your blog
[07:38] <\sh> spending at least 1 week with my little one is better then anything else :)
[07:38] <ajmitch> how old?
[07:39] <\sh> 12 in a month time :)
[07:39] <ajmitch> ah
[07:41] <ajmitch> I guess I'll see breezy-changes flooded then
[07:41] <\sh> hehe
[07:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: did your unmet dep list rebuild finish?
[07:42] <bddebian> \sh: I have a list for you when you are ready, before ajmitch kills me. ;-P
[07:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sure
[07:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: how many came through good?
[07:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: so I'm not needed anymore? :)
[07:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, you're mean. ;-P
[07:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: a fair number, but then bddebian & mitario started on them :)
[07:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok then
[07:43] <\sh> bddebian: only uploads? I hope u created debdiffs ,-)
[07:43] <bddebian> \sh: Some of both
[07:44] <bddebian> OK, bug 1371 is for openoffice.org2 but doesn't specify the distro.  Just reject or open bug in bugzilla?
[07:45] <ajmitch> bugzilla it
[07:45] <ajmitch> it's most likely fixed, so doko may close it
[07:56] <thrice`> is fglrx going to ship with breezy?  the current version will not work with 2.6.12
[07:56] <thrice`> however, the new version that ATI has put out will
[07:58] <sistpoty> sorry dunno about ati stuff... but imo fglrx is in main (not universe)
[07:59] <thrice`> yes; the current version shouldn't work with breezy
[07:59] <\sh> thrice`: this is something for -devel
[07:59] <thrice`> \sh, ok; i'm sorry
[08:00] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[08:02] <ivoks> hi
[08:02] <thom_> hey
[08:02] <ajmitch> hello
[08:02] <ogra> hey thom_ !
[08:02] <thom_> I'm getting fontpath errors when I run tightvncserver
[08:02] <ogra> nice to see you
[08:02] <thom_> (not thom may)
[08:03] <ogra> oh
[08:03] <thom_> lol
[08:03] <ajmitch> heh :)
[08:03] <thom_> still nice to see me though?
[08:03] <ogra> but still nice to see you :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> sure
[08:04] <ajmitch> ok, vncserver script needs fixed
[08:05] <thom_> so yeah, I'm assuming its something to do with the move to x.org
[08:05] <ajmitch> looks easy enough to fix up
[08:05] <ivoks> :)
[08:05] <thom_> nice one
[08:05] <ivoks> not thom may :)
[08:05] <ivoks> maybe nick change? :)
[08:05] <bddebian> OK, but 1563 if nice and vague
[08:05] <bddebian> s/but/bug
[08:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: close it, 1.02 is old
[08:06] <NotThomMay> better?
[08:06] <ajmitch> and not universe
[08:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Reject or Fixed?
[08:06] <ajmitch> ask the BugMaster, if you wish ;)
[08:06] <bddebian> grr
[08:07] <bddebian> ogra: Rejected or Fixed for 1563?
[08:08] <ivoks> bddebian: bugzilla or lp?
[08:08] <ogra> bddebian, that one belongs to bugzilla anyway...
[08:08] <bddebian> ogra: Aye
[08:09] <bddebian> ivoks: LP
[08:09] <ajmitch> NotThomMay: best to write it down in malone so we don't forget it
[08:09] <NotThomMay> kk
[08:09] <ogra> lol
[08:10] <bddebian> w00t, unassigned < 80 ;-)
[08:10] <ivoks> ogra: this isn't for bugzilla :)
[08:10] <ivoks> ogra: mozilla-firefox was package in universe
[08:10] <ogra> ivoks, the source package is mozila-firefox, thats bugzila in any case
[08:11] <ogra> ivoks, that one didnt even compile afaik...
[08:11] <ivoks> that one is out
[08:11] <ivoks> so you can close bug
[08:11] <ivoks> as wontfix
[08:11] <bddebian> Already rejected
[08:11] <ivoks> ok
[08:12] <ivoks> bddebian: you should add yourself to cc next time :)
[08:12] <ivoks> if chirs reopens bug, you wouldn't know that
[08:12] <ivoks> chris even :)
[08:13] <bddebian> Where is a place for cc?
[08:13] <ivoks> on the left side
[08:13] <ivoks> bug subscriptions
[08:14] <bddebian> I don't want anyone e-mailing ME.. ;-)
[08:17] <bddebian> ivoks: For LP?
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:18] <bddebian> ivoks: Oh, now I see it
[08:18] <ivoks> lol
[08:22] <bddebian> Wow, fixing bugs is "easy".. ;-P
[08:23] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:23] <bmonty> bddebian: its a "breeze", right?
[08:23] <bddebian> Aye ;-)
[08:24] <bddebian> Oh, is this how I get karma?
[08:24] <bmonty> after some messing with the xorg.conf file, I finally got colony 4 to install :)
[08:24] <ajmitch> yes
[08:24] <bddebian> Hehe, w00t :-)
[08:24] <ogra> bddebian, if you fixed all bugs, translate all apps, that rises karma even more
[08:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: so you can show up to the irc meetings, say "I fixed all these!"
[08:25] <ivoks> :)
[08:25] <ogra> bmonty, dont forget to file a bug ;)
[08:25] <bmonty> ogra: yup
[08:25] <ogra> (if you had to mess with it)
[08:25] <bmonty> seems that the command to start a terminal has been removed from the right-click menu also :(
[08:26] <ivoks> bmonty: this is a feature
[08:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[08:26] <bddebian> Coolio.  I haven't fixed anything. :-)
[08:27] <ivoks> why do i download that colony 4 cd, when i won't use it? :)
[08:27] <ivoks> at least not for next three days
[08:27] <ivoks> oink oink
[08:27] <ogra> ivoks, to have something to rsync in the future ;)
[08:27] <ivoks> ogra: well, i pay for my link :)
[08:27] <ogra> it cuts down downloads immensely
[08:27] <ogra> you dont have to wait ;)
[08:28] <ivoks> i'll d/l it on faculty with 1GB/s :)
[08:28] <ivoks> CD in 60 seconds :)
[08:28] <ogra> i pull a edubuntu daily update in lesst than 10 min
[08:28] <ivoks> ogra: sounds like 100mbit/s
[08:28] <ogra> ah, ok, i have no faculty in the village ;)
[08:28] <ogra> ivoks, 768K DSL
[08:29] <ivoks> 768K?
[08:29] <ivoks> 600MB in 10min?
[08:29] <ivoks> hm...
[08:29] <ajmitch> rsync
[08:29] <ivoks> ah, rsync
[08:29] <ivoks> till today, i didn't know one could rsync CD :)
[08:29] <bddebian> gst-plugins0.8 is main?
[08:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: thanks, this is much better :)
[08:30] <ogra> bddebian, yup
[08:30] <ogra> bddebian, err, partially...
[08:30] <ogra> bddebian, depends if you mean the source or the binary
[08:30] <bddebian> Hmm
[08:30] <ajmitch> sort of main, sort of universe :)
[08:31] <bddebian> Bug 1750
[08:33] <bddebian> Heya tritum_
[08:33] <tritum_> hi bddebian
[08:34] <ivoks> what are we going to do with xine-ui?
[08:36] <ivoks> anyone with hoary pbuild?
[08:36] <ivoks> does Nafallo do hoary security fixes?
[08:36] <ogra> ivoks, security bug ?
[08:36] <ivoks> 1765
[08:36] <ivoks> assigned to mpitt
[08:36] <Nafallo> ivoks: no, not much. I started there though :-P.
[08:37] <ivoks> 1176 too
[08:38] <ivoks> i will do 1176
[08:38] <ajmitch> at least I'm on the mailing list :)
[08:38] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:39] <Nafallo> I still review patches ;-)
[08:39] <ogra> wow, does it smell like the MOTUSecurity is lifting ground here ?
[08:39] <bddebian> heh
[08:39] <Nafallo> ogra: you mean by me leaving and ajmitch gets in? ;-)
[08:39] <bddebian> No it smells like lots of bugs, unmet patches, and transitions ;-P
[08:40] <ogra> Nafallo, nah, replacing people makes no team
[08:40] <bddebian> Err unmet deps not patches.. Sheesh
[08:40] <Nafallo> indeed :-P
[08:40] <ajmitch> ogra: the people are around, we just have to do the work :)
[08:41] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you are right. it's just that it _is_ boring most times :-/.
[08:41] <ajmitch> since I was one of the spec writers at UDU for it :)
[08:41] <ogra> heh, true
[08:41] <\sh> hey ogra
[08:41] <ogra> hey \sh
[08:41] <bddebian> Wouldn't linux-source-2.6.11 be main also?
[08:41] <Nafallo> Gerardo is back now though, so things should get moving soon ;-)
[08:41] <ogra> \sh, you have a nice time i heard ?
[08:42] <Nafallo> bddebian: that package should never have seen the archive ;-)
[08:42] <\sh> ogra: well during the training yes
[08:42] <ajmitch> wireless in this laptop is so much better than the old one
[08:42] <\sh> ogra: but not on friday :( when I wanted to leave for berlin
[08:42] <bddebian> Nafallo: Are you serious or sarcasm? :-)
[08:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, 2.6.11 was completely unsupported
[08:42] <bddebian> Heh, OK
[08:42] <ogra> \sh, yes, but i mean now.... having your boy around...
[08:42] <Nafallo> bddebian: the first ;-)
[08:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: it was put in universe for those who need new shiny things
[08:43] <\sh> ogra: yeah :) he is in bed already :)
[08:43] <Nafallo> bddebian: IIRC fabbione brought it in for testing right before going on vacation ;-)
[08:44] <ivoks> bddebian: fix something, don't just reject :)
[08:44] <ajmitch> ivoks: it does help to have someone going through doing bug triage
[08:44] <ivoks> i agree
[08:45] <ivoks> that's why there was ':)'
[08:45] <bddebian> ivoks: I'm looking for "low hanging fruit first", then go back and fix. :-)  qmtest looks simple enough to fix for example :-)
[08:45] <Nafallo> noone here runs LUKS-stuff on breezy with usplash? ;-)
[08:45] <Nafallo> (cryptsetup) ;-)
[08:45] <ajmitch> Nafallo: not yet
[08:46] <ajmitch> I suppose I could set that up on my spare LVM space
[08:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: feel free to test, I might have broken it today ;-)
[08:46] <ajmitch> uh oh
[08:46] <ajmitch> how did you break it?
[08:46] <Nafallo> LSB-ised the init.d
[08:47] <sistpoty> hey bddebian: i think i'll report a new bug ;) (xosview FTBFS, needs some autotools-love)
[08:47] <Nafallo> I believe that init.d asks for passphrase
[08:47] <ajmitch> ah
[08:47] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hey, no adding to the list. ;-)
[08:48] <sistpoty> *g* ... i tried to fix it for almost an hour now... and still got no clue
[08:48] <ivoks> what do i do wrong>!
[08:48] <ivoks> dpatch-edit-patch 033_telnet_bof
[08:48] <bddebian> sistpoty: What's the issue?
[08:48] <ivoks> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop.
[08:48] <ivoks> doh...
[08:48] <\sh> grmpf
[08:48] <\sh> running dhclient together with pppoe == bad
[08:49] <bddebian> pppoe == bad period. ;-)
[08:49] <Nafallo> bddebian: no shit ;-)
[08:49] <sistpoty> bddebian: the configure does checks for snprintf (among others) that fail. and the own version of snprintf in xosview conflicts with stdio's snprintf-version
[08:50] <bddebian> sistpoty: Is it doing AC_CHECK_LIB or some such?
[08:50] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, you would probably want the bash script I call from /etc/ppp/ipup.d ;-)
[08:50] <sistpoty> bddebian: yep... AC_CHECK_FUNCS and AC_CHECK_HEADERS
[08:50] <\sh> Nafallo: what is it?
[08:51] <sistpoty> <- is no hero with autoconf
[08:51] <Nafallo> \sh: dyndns-thingie
[08:51] <\sh> Nafallo: ah no...it's not this problem
[08:51] <bddebian> sistpoty: What is the error, just can't find them?
[08:51] <Nafallo> \sh: oki.
[08:51] <\sh> Nafallo: when I'm installing ubunut on the r200 I have a dhcpd running...and ubuntu thinks, it has to start dhclient at the same time
[08:51] <sistpoty> bddebian: /usr/include/stdio.h:353: error: declaration of C function 'int snprintf(char*, size_t, const char*, ...)' conflicts with
[08:51] <sistpoty> snprintf.h:5: error: previous declaration 'int snprintf(char*, int, const char*, ...)' here
[08:52] <\sh> so stopping dhcpd doesn't stop dhclient...and running pppoe doesn't stop it either...
[08:52] <sistpoty> bddebian: but it actually *should* find snprintf from configure
[08:52] <Nafallo> \sh: then it sounds to me that dhclient _is_ the problem ;-)
[08:52] <sistpoty> bddebian: and thus not compile these lines at all
[08:53] <bddebian> Where is it looking?  -lc ?
[08:53] <\sh> Nafallo: well..I have to check the ppp scripts...
[08:53] <sistpoty> bddebian: sorry, got no clue about this... "checking for snprintf... no"
[08:54] <bddebian> Pulling source, give me a sec.  (Not that I know shit either ;-) )
[08:54] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:55] <Nafallo> \sh: oki, atleast you know that I have a bashscript for that now :-).
[08:56] <sistpoty> bddebian: i actually only wanted to add Recommends: xrgb to the control, since w.o. xrgb it works, but you have really sick colors
[08:58] <bddebian> Ack, that's hideous
[08:58] <ivoks> zbljesfsdgdfggsa
[08:58] <ivoks> gives up
[08:58] <ivoks> good night
[08:58] <sistpoty> gn8 ivoks
[08:59] <\sh> Nafallo: yeah :)
[09:03] <zyga> hello
[09:03] <Nafallo> zyga: morning
[09:03] <zyga> what are the chances of getting a perfectly usable package of GPL'd instant messenger into universe
[09:03] <zyga> the packages are created by some polish programmer but could well enough be imported to universe
[09:04] <zyga> there are two packages, gg2 and gg2-sounds-esd
[09:05] <ajmitch> at this stage, possibly not
[09:05] <ajmitch> it'd require getting an exception, and people to review it
[09:05] <zyga> ajmitch: is this possible? I know it's past upstream freeze and that many other issues remain
[09:06] <zyga> the packages build on amd64 and i386, ENOPPC unfortutatly so I could not test everything
[09:08] <ajmitch> it would be a 'maybe', ogra could clarify what the policy is
[09:08] <\sh> zyga: which one?
[09:08] <ogra> zyga, talk to dholbach about it if he's around again
[09:09] <\sh> which instant messenger?
[09:09] <bddebian> I almost wonder if we don't have problems with autotools for some reason.  There seem to be several packages that fail to find functions in libs rezound sin in -lm, something else can't find a func in -lz, etc
[09:09] <zyga> \sh: okay
[09:09] <zyga> \sh: gnu gadu
[09:09] <zyga> it's a up-to-date gadu-gadu messanger, very popular in poland
[09:09] <ogra> zyga, the general policy it fixing stuff is first priority, but dholbach will coordiante NEW packages too
[09:10] <zyga> k, I'll look into this and talk to dholbach
[09:10] <\sh> I would like to see a running gadu-gadu transport for jabber in python first ,-)
[09:10] <\sh> actually it's even popular in germany as well for our polish inhabitants
[09:10] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, so dholbach now for approval?
[09:11] <zyga> \sh: AFAIK libgg or libgadu whatever it's called is written in polish and developers of things like gaim simply could not follow
[09:11] <sistpoty> bddebian: i found it... it's the AC_LANG_SAVE/AC_LANG_RESTORE, that will break things
[09:11] <zyga> s/written in polish/has polish comments/
[09:11] <ogra> ajmitch, yup, we had some discussion, since he insists that fixing and NEW packages have the same prio, he should care for it
[09:11] <\sh> zyga: there is a transport for jabber...but it's a real mess to update or fix this stuff
[09:11] <ajmitch> heh ok
[09:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: Ahh, good work
[09:12] <\sh> bddebian: which list I should work on?
[09:12] <\sh> btw..checked the laptop...only the NIC and the touchpad is not working ;)
[09:12] <ajmitch> ogra: and UVF exceptions? I know I'm supposed to be allowed to approve exceptions, but I'm wanting to sync my own packages from debian once I upload there
[09:13] <bddebian> \sh: Definetly the non-MOTU list and maybe the rebuild list but I think someone said they are doing a rebuild of the entire archive?
[09:13] <ajmitch> a small conflict of interest ;)
[09:13] <\sh> which non-MOTU list?
[09:13] <ogra> ajmitch, UVF as usual...
[09:13] <\sh> update me pls ;)
[09:13] <\sh> one week..and so many things were happening ;)
[09:14] <sistpoty> sh: the non-MOTU-list on unmet-deps ;)
[09:14] <sistpoty> + \
[09:14] <ogra> ajmitch, so if you think your debian packages are ok for approval, dont break anything and dont introduce new transitions, feel free to approve them ;)
[09:14] <ajmitch> ogra: oh good, they're not libs, so they tend not to break things :)
[09:15] <ogra> ajmitch, the aboe are my typical criteria for UVF approvals...
[09:15] <\sh> aha...what is it? main?
[09:15] <ogra> above even
[09:15] <ajmitch> ogra: right, I've tended to ask for decent justification, like fixing FTBFS
[09:15] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, you don't run a good jabber-client on your cell or so? ;-)
[09:15] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, additionally
[09:16] <ajmitch> ogra: or things like f-spot, where jdub wanted it ;)
[09:16] <Nafallo> s/cell/mobile/
[09:16] <ogra> ajmitch, a big user demand would also be on my list
[09:16] <bddebian> \sh: Would you mind also taking a look at my libccscript thing on merge?
[09:17] <\sh> Nafallo: I only had this aeh http://www.tipic.com/
[09:17] <bddebian> Am I to assume that any linux-{source, image} packages are main or is that a poor assumption?
[09:17] <\sh> Nafallo: and it was running on my 6230i but it didn't connect properly but gave me 12  gprs fees ,-)
[09:17] <Nafallo> bddebian: except for 2.6.11 it is correct ;-)
[09:18] <bddebian> Nafallo: Aye :-)
[09:18] <\sh> bddebian: ok..starting with "just need a rebuild"
[09:18] <bddebian> \sh: Bah, that's the "easy" stuff ;-)
[09:18] <\sh> yeah...and fastest first...
[09:19] <\sh> the more i can get this evening the better
[09:19] <bddebian> So i.e. bug 1830 in LP should be in bugzilla?  Actually it looks bogus to me anyways since he talks about 2.6.12 but posted against 2.6.10 source package..??
[09:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: looking at libccscript.. where's your changelog entry?
[09:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Didn't I add one? Grr
[09:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, I asked if I should update the version I think in the comments ofthe bug report?
[09:21] <ajmitch> you always need to, when uploading anything
[09:21] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, but phone didn't show as supported ;-). I use colibry (can't figure it out and the manual is in russian :-P), mobber (doesn't work) and Papla (tries to do Service Discovery without using the connection ;-)).
[09:21] <ajmitch> otherwise it gets rejected
[09:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I think my question was more buildX vs ubuntuX iirc
[09:22] <ajmitch> ubuntuX
[09:22] <ajmitch> it would only be buildX if the only change was a changelog entry
[09:23] <Nafallo> ajmitch: or if we want to drop our changes next sync, right
[09:23] <Nafallo> ?
[09:23] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you could, but that would be a bit of an abuse of how we label these
[09:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: why? :-). it's the same outcome.
[09:24] <Nafallo> (i.e. the package gets synced)
[09:24] <ajmitch> it's a matter of style ;)
[09:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: also, you may wish to keep the build-dep at 1.3.x, as in the debian package
[09:25] <ajmitch> not that it matters, but it's less to sync
[09:25] <ajmitch> with that gone, there might not need to be any ubuntu changes, so we could ask for a sync from sid
[09:25] <Nafallo> it's a mather of easiness to. if you see a package where we don't need the changes _later_, it's better IMHO to mark it as such then to forget it ;-)
[09:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: I htink I may have done that before I understood sync vs merge so we may just be able to synch it.  I'll re do it
[09:26] <\sh> bddebian: give me your changelog entry pls so the uploads are going on your account
[09:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: please do..
[09:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: the debian maintainer dropped libxml2-dev from build-deps in the last upload
[09:27] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[09:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: so that they show up on breezy-changes as coming from you
[09:27] <\sh> bddebian: your sig for the debian/changelog normally
[09:28] <mbreit> could someone upload a fix for me? fixes labplot ftbfs and unmet deps
[09:28] <bddebian> \sh: Ohh.  bddebian@comcast.net
[09:28] <mbreit> http://mo42.ath.cx/labplot.debdiff
[09:28] <bddebian> An xorg bug against colony 3 in LP?? WTF?
[09:29] <Nafallo> mbreit: sure :-)
[09:29] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks!
[09:30] <bddebian> \sh: That should be Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net> :)
[09:30] <bddebian> \sh: But you can take all the credit.. ;-)
[09:31] <ajmitch> s/credit/blame/
[09:31] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[09:31] <\sh> bddebian: lol...I just wrote Barry DeFreeze ,->
[09:32] <Nafallo> haha
[09:32] <bddebian> close enough.  I frickin' misspelled my own name in the changelog for glibc :-)
[09:32] <\sh> ok...deFreese/DeFreese?
[09:32] <bddebian> deFreese but it doesn't really matter
[09:33] <bddebian> Just put Andrew Mitchell ;-P
[09:33] <\sh> hehee
[09:33] <ajmitch> who's he?
[09:34] <\sh> bddebian: starting now...check katie ,-) and build logs ,-)
[09:34] <bddebian> \sh: You rock d00d, glad to have you back.  As I'm sure ajmitch is.. ;-)
[09:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: you cleared off the junk entries, right?
[09:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I tried yes.  Oh, one of the python-X might still be there though?? :-(
[09:35] <ajmitch> probably
[09:36] <ajmitch> ah well, it's under \sh's key, he'll have to take the blame ;)
[09:36] <bddebian> heh
[09:37] <ajmitch> ones like spplus I've been fixing
[09:37] <ajmitch> since it doesn't work with just a rebuild, due to php changes
[09:37] <\sh> wow...nena mega dance mix...75 mins dancefloor with our old girl from the good times ,-)
[09:38] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I'm rebuilding all packages again ,-) don't trust bddebian *lol*
[09:38] <bddebian> :'-(
[09:38] <Nafallo> bddebian: I always do that to ;-)
[09:38] <\sh> bddebian: your name sounds like the alias of "The Flash"
[09:38] <\sh> Barry Allen alias The Flash ,-)
[09:39] <bddebian> :-)
[09:39] <ajmitch> \sh: rebuilds, and checking all the deps, right?
[09:39] <\sh> Barry deFreese alias TheMOTUFlash
[09:39] <bddebian> Nafallo: I know.  People should.  I don't even trust myself most of the time. :-)
[09:39] <\sh> ajmitch: sure
[09:39] <Nafallo> bddebian: I might have broken people's filesystems today. you're safe ;-).
[09:39] <bddebian> heh
[09:40] <ajmitch> Nafallo: that's ok
[09:42] <Nafallo> ajmitch: it's okey to break people's filesystems?
[09:42] <Nafallo> ;-)
[09:43] <ajmitch> Nafallo: sure, why not?
[09:43] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I feel evil if I do it? ;-)
[09:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah :-)
[09:43] <ajmitch> Nafallo: that's the fun part :)
[09:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hmm
[09:44] <ajmitch> I doubt it's a real, major breakage
[09:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you're more evil than I would ever have thought ;-)
[09:44] <ajmitch> it'd more be inaccessible, rather than lost
[09:44] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I'm not, honestly
[09:45] <ajmitch> uh oh, breezy-changes flood has started
[09:45] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I would guess that usplash will time out and the use gets there prompt, but I dunno ;-).
[09:45] <Nafallo> baah!
[09:45] <Nafallo> pitti will probably assign the bugs correctly later ;-)
[09:46] <ajmitch> we can lynch you later
[09:46] <bddebian> heh
[09:46] <Nafallo> lol
[09:47] <Nafallo> mbreit: did you have to build-dep everything I _don't_ have in my apt-proxy? ;-)
[09:48] <mbreit> Nafallo: i just added dpatch to the build-deps, and i am sure you have that in your proxy ;)
[09:49] <Nafallo> mbreit: I was talking about of the rest of everything ;-)
[09:49] <mbreit> Nafallo: that wasn't me
[09:49] <Nafallo> mbreit: you should have _only_ dpatch as build-dep :-P
[09:49] <mbreit> :P
[09:50] <bddebian> w00t unassigned < 70
[09:50] <Nafallo> bddebian: yes please.
[09:50] <Nafallo> bddebian: assign the rest to yourself ;-)
[09:52] <bddebian> Nafallo: Bah, I'm too st00pid or I might :-)
[09:52] <Nafallo> tsss ;-)
[09:53] <Nafallo> look at it as an honour ;-)
[09:53] <bddebian> heh
[09:53] <\sh> oh well..my laptop is burning *gg*
[09:53] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:55] <\sh> lol
[09:56] <bddebian> \sh: burning?? :-)
[09:57] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, did you have to say that? darkelf starts to gimmick you lappy now ;-).
[09:57] <Nafallo> ehm, gimmick?
[09:57] <Nafallo> mimic?
[09:58] <Nafallo> mimic!
[09:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:58] <Nafallo> s/you/your/
[09:59] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:59] <Nafallo> I should _not_ do uploads this evening :-P
[10:01] <\sh> hehe
[10:02] <\sh> bddebian: yes..the cpu is getting hot...in the background I'm listening to some hardcore trance music...this gives me a high right now ,-)
[10:02] <ajmitch> hah
[10:02] <\sh> Nafallo: I should quote Goethe in my next changelogs
[10:03] <\sh> that's a nice idea...
[10:03] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:03] <\sh> we should think about a quote for every changelog...in our mother tongue ,-)
[10:03] <Nafallo> lol
[10:03] <ajmitch> like jbailey quoting oscar wilde in his changelogs.. :)
[10:03] <\sh> yeah
[10:04] <\sh> but we're doing it in our main language...schiller, goethe, kant ,-)
[10:04] <\sh> for german native speakers
[10:04] <ajmitch> heh
[10:05] <\sh> or Alfred Hitchcok (sp?) for the UK guys ,-)
[10:05] <\sh> or a stupid comment from somebody out of tv shows ,-) only to have some fun *hehe*
[10:05] <ogra> terry pratchett
[10:05] <\sh> ogra: yeah...disc worlds
[10:05] <\sh> rincewind the wizard
[10:05] <ogra> alfred hitchcok is a generation ago
[10:06] <\sh> oscar wilde as well ,-)
[10:06] <ogra> or even teo
[10:06] <ogra> two
[10:06] <\sh> doesn't matter...quotes of famous writers, authors, actors or whatever you like...but it must be in your own language ,-)
[10:07] <\sh> ogra: what do you think? Ubuntu is doing some educational changelogs ,-)
[10:07] <bddebian> heh
[10:07] <Nafallo> lol
[10:07] <\sh> so the world must read *-changes ,-)
[10:07] <\sh> eastwood
[10:08] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[10:09] <\sh> what I found out the last week while I was on training
[10:09] <\sh> even the Dr. Dr. phys. dudes can't speak proper german (e.g.)
[10:09] <tevaum> hi all...
[10:10] <ogra> \sh, do you think i should apt-listchages with gtk frontend as essential bit to edubuntu ?
[10:10] <ogra> apt-listchanges indeed
[10:10] <\sh> they only have a clue about what they're refering, but if someone breaks their thoughts, they're lost...
[10:10] <\sh> ogra: why not? :)
[10:10] <bddebian> Hello tevaum
[10:10] <tevaum> bddebian: hi.. ;] 
[10:10] <tevaum> bddebian: I'm a ubuntu user and want estou join the MOTU team... the 'Getting Into It' told me estou came here... :)
[10:11] <\sh> so we should give a good example, that we're not a group of geeks, that we're well educated people with other things in our mind, not only computer and software stuff ;)
[10:11] <\sh> and wth is sfs
[10:11] <\sh> it compiles now for more then 15 mins
[10:12] <bddebian> tevaum: Yep, you've come to the right place :-)
[10:12] <Nafallo> \sh: you suggesting that we lie? :-)
[10:12] <bddebian> hehe
[10:12] <Nafallo> s/you/you're/
[10:12] <slomo> re
[10:12] <Nafallo> slomo: morning :-)
[10:12] <\sh> Nafallo: ah come on ,-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> \sh: educated? us?
[10:12] <slomo> Nafallo: evening :P how was french class? ;)
[10:13] <\sh> ajmitch: not?
[10:13] <Nafallo> slomo: boring, I got out of there ASAP ;-)
[10:13] <ajmitch> \sh: no, I can barely speak english :)
[10:13] <\sh> ajmitch: me neither ,-)
[10:13] <tevaum> bddebian: I've already packaged gaim-vv, which is in the UniverseCandidates... it's my first package... but I think it's good... :] 
[10:14] <slomo> Nafallo: but you haven't uploaded anything since then... what were you doing? ;)
[10:14] <Nafallo> slomo: shopping ;-)
[10:14] <\sh> hmm...and we should make a MOTU streaming radio station ,-)
[10:14] <bddebian> Heh
[10:14] <slomo> \sh: why? :)
[10:14] <sistpoty> omg ;)
[10:14] <Nafallo> slomo: I don't dare to upload :-P. I made LOTS of typos here ;-)
[10:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: libccscript can be synced from Debian
[10:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, I said that earlier :)
[10:15] <Nafallo> \sh: ey! jabber-integration for that? :-)
[10:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: So what was I supposed to do?
[10:15] <\sh> slomo: why not? interviews with the motu (ogra has to talk first, dholbach next etc.)
[10:15] <\sh> Nafallo: sure ,-)
[10:15] <slomo> \sh: i hate interviews ;)
[10:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: dance in the streets?
[10:16] <\sh> slomo: well, no chance ,-)
[10:16] <Nafallo> slomo: I found pitti now ;-)
[10:16] <slomo> Nafallo: "found"?
[10:16] <Nafallo> slomo: yepp :-)
[10:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: play nice
[10:30] <slomo> hi ivoks :)
[10:30] <ivoks> uhm...
[10:31] <ivoks> this is too fast :)
[10:31] <ivoks> hi slomo
[10:31] <slomo> ivoks: sorry ;)
[10:31] <ivoks> slomo: ?
[10:32] <slomo> ivoks: "this is too fast :)" :P
[10:32] <ivoks> slomo: freenx is too fast
[10:32] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks!
[10:32] <bddebian> OK, bug 762 is against libdc1394 which doesn't exist.  Also, shouldn't that be main?
[10:32] <Nafallo> mbreit: np :-)
[10:32] <ivoks> since we don't have freenx in ubuntu
[10:32] <ivoks> will it be ok to package it?
[10:33] <ivoks> or we will wait debian to do it?
[10:34] <slomo> ivoks: look if there's a debian ITP... otherwise make one and package it for them and we'll sync... or if you can live with the risk that someone else packages it for debian just create a package for us ;)
[10:34] <\sh> bddebian: pysol-sound-server...python2.3-dev ;) u see...I found something ,-)
[10:34] <bddebian> Doh :'-(
[10:35] <\sh> bddebian: but the rest is fine ,-) at least all of the uploads until now :)
[10:36] <Shufla> hello
[10:37] <bddebian> Hello Shufla
[10:38] <Shufla> hello bddebian
[10:38] <Shufla> zyga: are you here?
[10:38] <\sh> he was
[10:38] <\sh> or he is ...;)
[10:39] <bddebian> bazaar is main?
[10:40] <tevaum> Shufla: hi
[10:40] <slomo> bddebian: sure it is
[10:40] <Shufla> hello tevaum
[10:47] <bddebian> Grr, all these LP bugs that should be in bugzilla :-(
[10:48] <Nafallo> IMO we shouldn't have bugzilla ;-)
[10:48] <\sh> no...malone should be everything..
[10:49] <\sh> but the gui is a bit funny
[10:49] <Nafallo> well
[10:50] <Nafallo> fun == good
[10:50] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:51] <zyga> Shufla: yes
[10:51] <Shufla> zyga: prv? we may speak polish.
[10:51] <zyga> Shufla: ok :)
[11:08] <Lathiat> If a package needs a new version from debian & a patch applied, should i just grab the debian version and apply it or should it be synced first then sourced and patched?
[11:08] <Lathiat> -EWIN
[11:13] <\sh> bddebian: i'm on your last rebuild only package..one mistake so far ,-)
[11:13] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, you upload as you go? :-)
[11:14] <Lathiat> mm 304 unmet deps
[11:14] <Lathiat> i want 250 by the end of the week ;p
[11:14] <\sh> Nafallo: grabbing source, check debian/control, adjust changelog with bddebians name, debuild -S -ksh@sourcecode.de and pbuilder build ,-)
[11:15] <\sh> and if everything is ok...upload
[11:15] <\sh> and while it's building grabbing the next source and so on
[11:15] <Nafallo> \sh: upload before taking on the next package that is ;-)
[11:15] <\sh> anyways..
[11:15] <Lathiat> \sh: can you do a t38modem rebuild for me? :)
[11:16] <Lathiat> just wants a rebuild for a half-done C++ transiiton
[11:16] <slomo_> Lathiat: did you say something? ;) my connection dropped :(
[11:16] <Lathiat> slomo_: about?
[11:16] <Lathiat> slomo_: not to you, i asid a few things in general
[11:16] <\sh> ajmitch: c++ transition half done?
[11:16] <\sh> sorry
[11:17] <\sh> Lathiat: which c++ transition is half done?
[11:17] <Lathiat> \sh: depends on old libopenh323
[11:17] <\sh> ah..only rebuild
[11:17] <Lathiat> before it grew a c2 or whatever
[11:17] <slomo_> Lathiat: ok, then even my question was dropped ;) what is with the avahi packages? were they uploaded already?
[11:17] <Lathiat> as i said "jsut wants a rebuild" ;p
[11:17] <Lathiat> slomo_: oh
[11:17] <\sh> Lathiat: sure
[11:17] <Lathiat> slomo_: i think ajmitch was goign to upload them today or something
[11:17] <Lathiat> \sh: Trent Lloyd <lathiat@bur.st> ;p
[11:17] <ajmitch> uploaded 12+ hours ago
[11:17] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh, rock
[11:17] <Lathiat> i missed that
[11:18] <ajmitch> of course
[11:18] <\sh> ok...
[11:18] <slomo_> ajmitch: still in NEW?
[11:18] <Lathiat> waiting NEW?
[11:18] <ajmitch> slomo_: yep
[11:18] <Lathiat> ah
[11:18] <slomo_> ah ok... so let's wait ;)
[11:18] <ajmitch> :)
[11:18] <ajmitch> bbl
[11:29] <\sh> scalapack is compiling like hell....
[11:32] <tseng> Lathiat: i just wrote some awesome ruby
[11:32] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh?
[11:32] <tseng> Lathiat: using activerecord
[11:33] <Lathiat> wassit do?
[11:33] <tseng> Lathiat: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/walk.rb
[11:34] <tseng> Lathiat: walks every device in the database in 30 some lines
[11:34] <tseng> its about 1/3 of the same thing in tcl
[11:34] <tseng> which is probably 1/3 of it in C using net-snmp
[11:35] <tseng> but the ruby will be very reusable
[11:38] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: not I!
[11:38] <ajmitch> I said siretart was talking with the DD about getting a new one
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, "Aug 31 22:15:13 ajmitch rob^: right, I'll fix that up when I get home
[11:39] <Burgundavia> "
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, actually, please don;t push it until after Sept 8, otherwise I will get even less doc work done
[11:41] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ipac-ng.debdiff man taht is one ugly mofo aptch
[11:41] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: heh :)
[11:41] <Lathiat> but it works at least
[11:42] <Burgundavia> j^, upgrading from the universe package to yours breaks name resolution
[11:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you're right, it is ugly
[11:43] <Lathiat> oh yeh
[11:43] <Lathiat> i hate it with a passion
[11:43] <j^> Burgundavia does the universe one work for you at all?
[11:43] <Burgundavia> j^, no
[11:43] <Lathiat> the universe one is useless
[11:43] <ajmitch> Lathiat: why is it needed?
[11:43] <j^> or does it segfault because it sets the path to named to be "no"
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I haven't heard anybody getting the current universe one working
[11:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: and did you write that whole patch?
[11:44] <ogra> j^, when will we see a upload finally ?
[11:44] <j^> ogra http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[11:44] <j^> not sure whats next to do for me
[11:45] <ogra> j^, poke someone to upload it... i heard several people saying they wanted to in here...
[11:45] <j^> someone, poke
[11:45] <tseng> j^: boo
[11:45] <ogra> oh, it needs a second review as well
[11:46] <Nafallo> it does?
[11:46] <whiprush> yay network magic!
[11:46] <ogra> so the uploader should review it befor uploading ;)
[11:46] <tseng> i will upload it
[11:46] <tseng> pending review
[11:47] <slomo> ogra: why does it need a second review? it was just an "update"
[11:47] <ogra> slomo, ah. thanks for pointing that out....
[11:47] <j^> tseng ok, let me know if you want me to do anything
[11:47] <ogra> tseng, shoot....
[11:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yes, withit it it fails to work completely
[11:47] <slomo> ogra: i just can't upload it :(
[11:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: and no, i got the patch from the URL in the changelog
[11:47] <ajmitch> Lathiat: luvly
[11:47] <ajmitch> ah, I didn't see a changelog
[11:48] <Lathiat> its been sent to the ipac-gn dev mailign list but theres been no reply as yet
[11:48] <ajmitch> partly because it's buried mid-way through it
[11:48] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[11:48] <tseng> the diff looks ok to me
[11:48] <ogra> tseng, no need for a review...
[11:48] <Lathiat> i've confirmed it working here
[11:48] <Lathiat> and that without it, it doesnt work
[11:48] <Lathiat> and its actually worknig, accounting myt raffic properly, etc
[11:49] <Lathiat> fucking
[11:49] <ogra> tseng, its an update, we can blame slomo for bugs later ;)
[11:49] <Lathiat> i swear x2x is eating my keyboard characters
[11:49] <tseng> ogra: i already blame slomo for my bugs :)
[11:49] <\sh> damnit...scalapack is still compiling
[11:49] <slomo> ogra: thanks :P better blame j^ as he probably can fix them ;)
[11:49] <Lathiat> so
[11:49] <ogra> tseng, great, so you have another one to blame him for, he approved ;)
[11:50] <Lathiat> when is network manager goign to support something like
[11:50] <Lathiat> say, static IPs
[11:50] <j^> Lathiat it does support something like static ips
[11:50] <Lathiat> 'something like' ?
[11:50] <j^> Lathiat you asked for something like
[11:50] <tseng> ...
[11:51] <tseng> did something eat my key?
[11:51] <tseng> gpg: skipped "brandon@smarterits.com": secret key not available
[11:51] <tseng> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[11:51] <Lathiat> if it did better hope you have a backup or revoc cert? ;p
[11:51] <tseng> BLARH
[11:51] <tseng> i do have a backup
[11:51] <j^> Lathiat but configuring a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces should work with NM
[11:51] <Lathiat> good :)
[11:51] <Lathiat> j^: bah, i want a gui :)
[11:51] <Lathiat> click, static IP, enter details... preferebly have a set of preset static IPs i can assign (or associate with AP macs)
[11:52] <Lathiat> or both
[11:52] <j^> Lathiat NetworkManager <-> network-admin integration is something which has to be done on the network-admin side
[11:52] <j^> so its breezy+1
[11:52] <\sh> did I say, that configuring network interfaces via gui is horrible? ,-)
[11:52] <Lathiat> i dont want network-admin integration, i want to click a button in the same place i click to change networks and type an IP in :)
[11:53] <Lathiat> the vpnc support is rocking
[11:53] <Nafallo> Lathiat++
[11:53] <Lathiat> told me why ti doesnt work at my uni
[11:53] <Lathiat> something about not support TCP tunneling mode
[11:53] <slomo> does it already support other vpns? openvpn for example? ;)
[11:53] <tseng> no
[11:53] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, avahi. GPL or LGPL?
[11:53] <j^> slomo someone looked into adding openvpn
[11:53] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: LGPL, all of it
[11:53] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, ok
[11:53] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: (including the daemon, etc)
[11:53] <j^> but right now its only vpnc
[11:54] <\sh> what we need is a zebrad implementation with bgp4-MP support to support mpls for vpn generation
[11:54] <slomo> j^: ok...
[11:54] <j^> but its a plugin system
[11:54] <ajmitch> \sh: sure, why not?
[11:54] <j^> the vpnc plugin is not in http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[11:54] <j^> that would be an extra package
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: is zebrad this far? is it ready for mpls?
[11:54] <ajmitch> \sh: dunno, quagga might be
[11:55] <Lathiat> mpls?
[11:55] <\sh> yeah
[11:55] <Lathiat> whats that ?
[11:55] <j^> i have a pakcage for it too, can upload it to revu if there is a chance for network-manager-vpnc
[11:56] <Lathiat> yeh i used yours from your repo
[11:56] <Lathiat> (which is broken, btw, or was)
[11:56] <tseng> um..
[11:56] <\sh> MPLS == multiprotocol label switching
[11:56] <j^> Lathiat the repos is not broken, the server is
[11:56] <j^> hope its back up soon
[11:56] <tseng> so i extracted .gnupg from my backup into home
[11:56] <Lathiat> righto
[11:56] <tseng> it still says i dont have a secret key
[11:56] <Lathiat> tseng: err
[11:56] <\sh> Lathiat: it's something between osi 2 and osi 3
[11:56] <j^> Lathiat so it works for you, i do not have a vpnc server so i never tested it
[11:56] <tseng> it would be secring.gpg, yes?
[11:56] <Lathiat> j^: well
[11:57] <ajmitch> \sh: quagga docs talk about multiprotocol support for bgpd
[11:57] <Lathiat> j^: i havent actually ried connecting
[11:57] <Lathiat> but i imported my unis .pcf
[11:57] <Lathiat> and it seemed to find ther right info
[11:57] <Lathiat> and told my why it doesnt work
[11:57] <Lathiat> (even on the command line)
[11:57] <Lathiat> cus my uni requires something it doesnt support
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: ok..so we could route with it mpls information..what about mpls itself?
[11:57] <ajmitch> \sh: no idea
[11:57] <Lathiat> so what is mpls exactly?
[11:57] <ajmitch> http://mpls-linux.sourceforge.net/
[11:57] <Nafallo> tseng: have you checked with gpg --list-secret if the key is actually gone?
[11:58] <tseng> Nafallo: its right there
[11:58] <ajmitch> tseng: and when you try with -k<keyid> ?
[11:58] <tseng> oh
[11:58] <tseng> gpg: key D0DC9743: secret key without public key - skipped
[11:58] <tseng> i can fix that one
[11:58] <\sh> ajmitch: sounds good
[11:59] <tseng> there we go!
[11:59] <tseng> phew
[11:59] <Lathiat> tseng: heh
[11:59] <tseng> j^: uploaded
[11:59] <tseng> j^: you are my hero
[11:59] <ajmitch> tseng: otherwise you'd have to switch to your other box to upload :)
[11:59] <tseng> ajmitch: haha :)
[11:59] <tseng> ajmitch: sssh
[11:59] <\sh> Lathiat: well if you're a ISP and you give the possibility to create a vpn tunnel from one end to another end then you can use mpls...it's not touching the ip package itself, only some additional label information..and the router knows the next hop from the label attached to the package
[12:00] <Lathiat> ah i see
[12:00] <Lathiat> i get it now
[12:00] <Lathiat> read up on it
[12:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you'll probably get taught something about it at uni
[12:00] <Lathiat> you can sortof do that already
[12:00] <ajmitch> I know I heard a tiny amount :)
[12:00] <Lathiat> just not as complex or standardized
[12:00] <\sh> Lathiat: quite interessting in combination with IS-IS routing and bgp4(-mp) which is used as internet routing protocol
[12:00] <Lathiat> yeh i know what bgp is
[12:00] <Lathiat> whats -mp tho?
[12:00] <\sh> it's an addition to bgp4
[12:01] <\sh> to route MultiProtocol informations e.g. labels
[12:01] <Lathiat> ah right
[12:01] <Lathiat> cool
[12:01] <\sh> juniper and cisco websites should have some better documentation..I could wrap up some informations on the blog if you want and if I have time :)
[12:02] <Lathiat> 'sall good
[12:02] <ajmitch> \sh: please do :)
[12:02] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:03] <\sh> the idea behind is absolutley cool :)