[12:00] <mcrandello> try downloading the extensions then dragging them in from where you saved them
[12:01] <ezenu> mcphail, why?
[12:01] <disasm> sorush20: yup, have the same problem here, the autoupdate kinda doesn't work, never tried it before till now ;-)
[12:01] <mcphail> ezenu: I have been playing with John the Ripper. Simple passwords hashed by DES seem to be cracked faster.
[12:02] <DanielHolth> Has anyone noticed how if you say "PasswordAuthentication no" in sshd_config in ubuntu, that it continues to allow password authentication anyway?
[12:02] <DanielHolth> I'm about to file a bug.
[12:02] <DanielHolth> it bugs me.
[12:02] <ezenu> hmm.. sounds interesting
[12:02] <xerxas> hi
[12:02] <DanielHolth> hi
[12:02] <lsuactiafner> DanielHolth : killall -HUP sshd
[12:03] <mcphail> Although, I'm sure MD5 is supposedto be less secure...
[12:03] <bytefoo> baloney
[12:03] <DanielHolth> lsuactiafner it's been not-working over many rebootts.
[12:03] <DanielHolth> many, many reboots of my crappy linux box.
[12:03] <DanielHolth> although killing ssh would definitely disable password logins.
[12:04] <DanielHolth> I agree.
[12:04] <DanielHolth> but I want to allow the other kind.
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> "enter root password for maintenance"
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> this happened before but i forgot what i did to fix it.
[12:05] <sorush20> disasm: you managed to fix it
[12:05] <bytefoo> did you enter the password :|
[12:06] <lsuactiafner> heh no idea
[12:06] <hondje> took a bit of work, that
[12:06] <mcphail> Blowfish sounds good, but how do I get passwd to use it?
[12:07] <disasm> sorush20: not yet
[12:07] <bytefoo> i wouldn't :-/
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> bytefoo  yeah of course
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> then nothing happens.
[12:07] <bytefoo> the 65 bit block size is too short :-/
[12:07] <bytefoo> 64*
[12:07] <MrBear> hi
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it's trying to boot linux single or something..
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Penguins are not found in the North Pole
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> A dentist invented the Electric Chair
[12:08] <bytefoo> and if you don't do the full 16 rounds, you can figure out the plaintext :X
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> About 100 people choke to death on ballpoint pens each year.
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Cockroaches break wind every 15 minutes
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[12:09] <hondje> I haven't seen an implimentation that didn't
[12:09] <mcphail> So is MD5 best?
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> On average, every chocolate bar contains at least three insect legs
[12:09] <hondje> it's slow, but it's certainly more secure than md5. Collisions are pretty trivial now
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gross
[12:09] <bytefoo> blowfish is pretty fast imho
[12:10] <hondje> mcphail: cost/benefit
[12:10] <hondje> there's no real 'best'
[12:10] <DVSoftware> ChurcH_of_FoamY: where do you read that?
[12:10] <bytefoo> yeah
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.greatfacts.com/
[12:11] <bytefoo> but then again, what are you trying to hide =D
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there is some really twisted crap there
[12:11] <mcphail> To use blowfish for users' passwords, do I have to directly edit /etc/shadow ?
[12:11] <mcphail> bytefoo: several passwords cracked in < 1 second! aargh
[12:12] <Maikeru> how do I uninstall somethin I installed via cvs?
[12:12] <Maikeru> ;/
[12:12] <Agrajag> make uninstall
[12:12] <Maikeru> ah
[12:12] <Maikeru> thanks
[12:12] <Maikeru> I tried to install madwifi
[12:12] <Maikeru> didn't work out so well
[12:12] <Maikeru> so I'm good with ndiswrapper and not having fakeap workin
[12:13] <DJWillis> Maikeru: Only just joined but you do know that MADWiFi is broke in Horty
[12:13] <Maikeru> It is?
[12:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.oxymoronlist.com/
[12:13] <Maikeru> Ah
[12:13] <Maikeru> 0-o
[12:13] <Maikeru> That explains it...
[12:14] <alexwillmer> hopefully an easy one: I know about dos2unix for convert text files, this doesn't appear to be in 5.04. Is there an equivalent tool provided?
[12:14] <DJWillis> Maikeru: you can build from source or hope that the restricted-modules in breezy is not so far out of date, MADWiFi in Horty is ancient.
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.snapbubbles.com/ <-----= virtual bubble wrap ^_^
[12:15] <Maikeru> can I use fakeap (allows me to make a lot of fake access points) without? 0-o
[12:15] <Maikeru> or is there a different program that does the same
[12:15] <tristanmike> back up with Gaim, if anyone cares =0
[12:16] <tristanmike> j/k
[12:16] <DJWillis> Maikeru: not easily with ndiswrapper, I am trying to sort out MADWiFi, if I get it going i'll make a bodged DEB that you could (if your mad) try.
[12:16] <Maikeru> Ah okay
[12:16] <Maikeru> See, I want to get fakeap workin and take advantage of the features of this new card
[12:16] <Maikeru> I made a special trip to CompUSA for it
[12:16] <DJWillis> What card do you have?
[12:16] <Maikeru> cause the other wasn't workin under linux
[12:17] <Maikeru> ZyXel ZyAIR G-102 v2 (802.11b/g)
[12:17] <lsuactiafner> whats a good wireless pci card to buy that works very well in linux? LWG5400U any good? its LG
[12:17] <alexwillmer> alternatively, I may have missed dos2unix in synaptic. Does anyone know which package it's in?
[12:18] <benplaut> anyone here use pearlpanel?
[12:18] <Parisi> lsuactiafner I would say something that has the prims chipset.
[12:18] <benplaut> *perlpanel
[12:18] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[12:18] <Parisi> Whatever you do stay away from the acx111
[12:18] <Parisi> Which is what i have.
[12:19] <lsuactiafner> know where i can get a list of devices iwth the prism chipset?
[12:19] <Maikeru> great, for madwifi
[12:19] <Parisi> Good question
[12:19] <Maikeru> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop.
[12:19] <Parisi> Let me google it.
[12:19] <alexwillmer> ahah, nm, I've found it in sysutils.
[12:20] <Bateau_> this is the onlything i need to do to play mp3 and such right? -- > http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[12:20] <Maikeru> Bateau_, worked for me
[12:20] <Bateau_> i`v done that... but it still wont play :(
[12:20] <bytefoo> lsuactiafner, check seattlewireless
[12:21] <bytefoo> lsuactiafner, http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison
[12:21] <Maikeru> Well it didn't play for my friend until he rebooted
[12:21] <Maikeru> and played for me right away
[12:21] <Bateau_> hmm, ok. so ill try a reboot :)
[12:21] <Bateau_> brb
[12:22] <disasm> sorush20: well, i tried the new deerpark release (tar.gz format) and it's update extensions worked fine, but then it crashed when opening the browser, so i'd advise against that one, I'm currently compiling it from source to see if I can get it to work
[12:22] <sorush20> disasm: I'm talking on the firefox channel to see if I can get things going...
[12:23] <theeil> what command manages startup stuff for ubuntu (thing like rc-update)
[12:23] <fblade> hey guys no of a good free fps MMoRPG to play pleas?
[12:23] <j0nas`> anyone had success setting up mythtv?
[12:23] <j0nas`> have some bizarre apt-get output here
[12:23] <j0nas`> could soemone have a look?
[12:24] <ilba7r> anyone using fluxbox
[12:24] <disasm> fblade: well for fps theres doom, and i think quake2 also runs, but who needs quake when you have doom?
[12:24] <disasm> ilba7r: is there anything else?
[12:24] <j0nas`> isnt UT OSS now?
[12:24] <j0nas`> i thought i read that they released the license
[12:24] <j0nas`> i dont know
[12:25] <jgorski> theeil: update-rc.d
[12:25] <disasm> j0nas`: well if you have the cd theres a shell script you can use to install it in linux
[12:25] <mcrandello> nexuiz is a pretty decent shooter
[12:25] <ilba7r> disam i remember that the compiled ver on ubuntu take long time and am compiling it from source
[12:25] <j0nas`> i do have the cd...
[12:25] <j0nas`> tell me more
[12:25] <ilba7r> disam i do not kow though which switch need to be turned off so it loads faster. I just forgot the switch
[12:26] <EasterSunshine> quick question: will i be able to browse ANY folder on a mounted NTFS including those that were marked as private by a password-protected user on winxp?
[12:27] <disasm> ilba7r: not sure, now that you mention it, it does take a while to load...
[12:27] <ilba7r> disam i know there is a switch xdm or something was hoping to find some one who compiled it from source her but thanx for your help
[12:28] <Will^Draven> ilba7r, have you tried asking in #fluxbox ?
[12:29] <ilba7r> thanx will^Draven i think i am hooked on ubuntu forgot to ask there :)
[12:29] <Will^Draven> no problem :)
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> Realtek ALC650F <-- how can i get this to work in ubuntu?
[12:30] <fblade> hey i've just installed quake2 using apt-get, but how do i run i
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> anyone know what chopset this is http://www.asus.com.tw/products/communication/wireless/wl-167g/overview.htm
[12:30] <fblade> it*
[12:30] <ce33na> EasterSunshine: I came in late...what are you accessing ntfs with
[12:30] <lsuactiafner>  /usr/games/
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> look in there
[12:30] <alexwillmer> how should I modify this line so the entire pipeline is run by sudo? sudo find -type f | egrep  '\.[ch] $' | xargs dos2unix
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> quake2
[12:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's how
[12:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> just type "quake2"
[12:31] <tear> how do you list processes?
[12:31] <thrice`> ps aux
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> ps auxww
[12:31] <thrice`> or top
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> or top
[12:32] <alexwillmer> tear: 'ps', or 'ps aux' for everytinh
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> note two ww not just one
[12:32] <tear> thx
[12:32] <j0nas`> ps -ef
[12:32] <thrice`> (though aux will list them just fine)
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> when apt-geting quake2 - you still need to install the comercial data files from your quake2 cd's
[12:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> *cries* - Why isn't there an update for GAIM on repos yet?
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> stuff like this makes me regret using linux
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want sound
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> just compile it dude
[12:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> I'm lazy.
[12:35] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: then make sound work
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> tell me how
[12:35] <benplaut> Carpe_Libertatem, it's called package freeze
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it worked before i did sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> never knew that would break your sound
[12:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> package... freeze?
[12:35] <benplaut> if you want an update, get breezy, get backports, or get autopackage
[12:35] <benplaut> yeah, no updates until next version
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a  Realtek ALC650F
[12:35] <Agrajag> This isn't Gentoo
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want sound
[12:36] <Carpe_Libertatem> I see.
[12:36] <benplaut> with a few special exceptions
[12:36] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: did you watch what you were updating ?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, if yo uwant a good distro, go get gentoo.
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> nope.
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> never thought i'd need to.
[12:36] <thrice`> then it's your own fault
[12:36] <j0nas`> lol
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> never had this problem before in a million updates
[12:36] <QMario> Is anyone here from #PERL or #SUSE?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's my fault?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:36] <j0nas`> gentoo
[12:36] <thrice`> if you're going to use linux mindlessly, you will break things
[12:36] <Parisi> gentoo? wth
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should have only updated, not changed.
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> mindlessly?
[12:36] <Carpe_Libertatem> Should I DL the source-code package?
[12:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:36] <j0nas`> gentoo is nice if you like to wait a day and a half to compile your web browser
[12:36] <thrice`> if nothing changes, it's NOT an update
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> so updating is something that i should expect will not only update, but also alter?
[12:37] <benplaut> that's a bit of an exageration...
[12:37] <QMario> Have any of you guys heard about me?
[12:37] <Parisi> I would recommend Gentoo if you have too much free time in your hands ;0
[12:37] <benplaut> @ j0nas`
[12:37] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you think an update is?
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, there's a difference between the latest version of a driver, and the wrong driver entirely.
[12:37] <thrice`> installing the same software over itself with a biggre number ?
[12:37] <tear> hmm, likly I'm doinf this wrong, my PID 8661 needs to be killed
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` there is a difference between an upgrade of a driver, and a different driver entirely.
[12:37] <QMario> Is Seveas or thoreauputic here?
[12:37] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: what have you done to look into the proble ?
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you grok?
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> searched google for one thing
[12:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you think?
[12:37] <fblade> hey guys when i try and run quake2 by typing the name  it dosebugger all
[12:37] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: I doubt your kernel config changed
[12:37] <fblade> help?
[12:37] <QMario> Is either Seveas or thoreauputic here?
[12:38] <QMario> Nope, I guess not.
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> fblade,  did you intall the needed files from your quake2 cd's ?
[12:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` then why would the modules loaded for snd be different just because of an upgrade?
[12:38] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: did you update hoary, or to breezy ?
[12:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> sound worked for the past 8 months, now it dosen't. hmmm
[12:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> no no.
[12:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just did apt-get upgrade
[12:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> not dist-upgrade
[12:39] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: they are not different.  Unless you fooled with modprobe.conf, udev, or your kernel
[12:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't.
[12:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just did apt-get upgrade
[12:39] <thrice`> apt-get upgrade?
[12:39] <theeil> is there a group for reading mounted hard disks?
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> theeil,  not that i have ever seen/heard of
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes thrice, apt-get upgrade
[12:40] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: ok; do you know the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[12:40] <theeil> can you mount a partition for a user?
[12:40] !lilo:*! We're going to be clearing some klines. Please keep an eye out for spambots.
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> basically
[12:40] <thrice`> basically?  there is 1 settle difference
[12:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> subtle?
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> theeil,  yes you can.  depends on the file system also to some degree
[12:41] !lilo:*! You probably won't see the private messages, but you may well see join-and-parts, depending on how many of these are still current.
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> dist-upgrade would be like going from hoary to breezy right?
[12:41] <zeus1_> hey can anyone help me fix sound
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case dist-upgrade is dangerous.
[12:41] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[12:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> zeus1_ that's what i'm here for too. :)
[12:41] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: wrong
[12:41] <zeus1_> broken_ladder wat probs r u having with ur sound
[12:41] <zeus1_> is it a USB
[12:41] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone have a good handle on VirtualHosts with Apache?
[12:42] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: dist-upgrade does what upgrade does, except it does smart dependency checking
[12:42] <thrice`> dist-upgrade will only update the dist if you configure your sources.list to go from hoary to breezy
[12:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think that's wrong.
[12:42] <thrice`> ok, then I understand how you could've broke your sound
[12:42] <Bateau_> damnit :( i still cant play mp3 :(
[12:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:43] <sorush20> guys when I Log into Ubuntu using the K desktop I can see the gnome desktop flash and disappear before I log out but I can no longer log into the gnome desktop.. it just crashes and the loading goies into a loop of flashing the menu bar
[12:43] <thrice`> man apt-get
[12:43] <nickrud> dist-upgrade is smarter, it will remove a package, a regular upgrade won't
[12:43] <thrice`> you'll see
[12:43] <zeus1_> GUYS i have a usb headset its detected by the device manager but the sounds still playing thru the speakers and not my headset
[12:43] <thrice`> dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages
[12:43] <nickrud> not dangerous at all.
[12:43] <zeus1_> how do i fix
[12:44] <thrush_2> Bateau_, you got gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` i think i'm using a beos sound driver.  that should work, right?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> zeus1_,  good luck. Not sure if usb sound is supported that way at all.  :P
[12:44] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: how?  you're on a linux kernel aren't you ?
[12:44] <zeus1_> dr_willis i got it working before but when I rebooted it was gone so yes it does work...just have to figure out how
[12:44] <Bateau_> thrush_2:  if it is a part of the things i install on ubuntuguide.org, then yes... if not... then no :P
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` uh huh
[12:45] <thrice`> hey nickrud, do you consider preview to be stable ?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> zeus1_,  lol.. next time take notes. :P lol
[12:45] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: ok; what sound card do you have
[12:45] <thrice`> or, what module do you need ?
[12:45] <thrush_2> Bateau_, install that using apt-get
[12:45] <mcphail> what does apt-get dselect upgrade do?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ich5 intel, Realtek ALC650F chipset
[12:45] <nickrud> yes, for my purposes.
[12:45] <disasm> zeus1_: you got it working?
[12:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a much better sound card, but i use it for jack
[12:46] <thrice`> nickrud: just worried, as I don't see any ati drivers in there yet
[12:46] <Bateau_> thrush_2: it was allready installed
[12:46] <zeus1_> disasm - my headset is detected but not playing through the correct device
[12:46] <zeus1_> disasm - its playing thru the speakers NOT the headset like it should
[12:46] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: ok; does lsmod show you having ac97 codec loaded ?
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` what if i had some sources wrong in sources.list..could that muck up the sound?
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> it says something about ac97
[12:46] <thrush_2> Bateau_, what program are you playing mp3s in?
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[12:46] <disasm> zeus1_: but you had it working at one time?
[12:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't use mp3, use vorbis or flac
[12:46] <Bateau_> thrush_2:  xmms
[12:46] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: that doesn't matter
[12:47] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[12:47] <thrice`> do you hear static ?
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> 15 snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` that won't work.  esd is running.
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[12:47] <Bateau_> thrush_2: iv allso tried mplayer
[12:47] <zeus1_> disasm - yes...but when i rebooted and went into XP and then rebooted back into linux it didnt work anymore (wasnt detected)
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing
[12:47] <thrush_2> Bateau_, you might try to apt-get libmad0
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't hear static
[12:47] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: esd is running...you have sound ?
[12:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no sound
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i killed esd
[12:48] <thrice`> then killall esd and try again
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did of course
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> no static
[12:48] <Bateau_> thrush_2: that is installed as well
[12:48] <disasm> zeus1_: what irc client are you using?
[12:48] <zeus1_> disasm - X-chat irc
[12:48] <thrice`> are you sure your speakers are plugged in ? the correct modules are loaded
[12:48] <thrush_2> ach server prob one sec
[12:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` i had thought maybe my alsa config got mucked up, but i've toyed around with it and no difference
[12:49] <disasm> zeus1_: do you have logs enabled in x-chat, if you do, can always check the logs and find out what people told you
[12:49] <dabaR> hi
[12:49] <theeil> can unran handle multi part rar files?
[12:49] <dabaR> theeil: have you read the manual?
[12:49] <CzarAlex> Which package installs the GTK+ library? I searched the package manager and many results came up and I'm unsure which to select.
[12:49] <zeus1_> disasm...the link to logs for ubuntu IRC is in the topic
[12:49] <theeil> dabaR: nope
[12:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` if i tell xmms to use my primary sound card, the one in question, it works.
[12:49] <nickrud> CzarAlex, libgtk2.0-0, I think
[12:49] <QMario> Why do people use such profane language?
[12:49] <dabaR> it should be able to yes. There are two rar packages, and, in synaptic searching for rar will find them. info rar, andman rar are the manuals.
[12:50] <dabaR> QMario: which?
[12:50] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: you can hear sound ?
[12:50] <disasm> zeus1_: well there ya go, search those for what you did last time ;-)
[12:50] <QMario> DabaR, "F", "S", "A", "D".
[12:50] <zeus1_> i looked i couldnt find it
[12:50] <zeus1_> disasm
[12:50] <QMario> Do I need to go on?
[12:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` nope
[12:50] <secutores> hello room. just a quick question? does anyone know of an HCL for ubuntu?
[12:51] <QMario> Oh, I forgot "B".
[12:51] <dabaR> QMario: I did not get it, but no need to swear if that is what you are asking.
[12:51] <QMario> Hydrochloric acid. ;)
[12:51] <Bateau_> hmm, strange... i can play mp3 in "Music Player" but not in mplayer and xmms. infact i cant play ANYthing in xmms. and realplayer wont start :S
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` but if i tell xmms to use dsp0 it just shows the eq bars going up and down as if there is no problem.
[12:51] <QMario> ecutores
[12:51] <dabaR> Bateau_: does xmms lock up?
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> Bateau_ that's an obvious problem.
[12:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> Bateau_ gstreamer is working then.
[12:51] <dabaR> Bateau_: when you run a file...
[12:52] <Bateau_> dabaR: hmm, can call i that yes
[12:52] <QMario> Secutores, that was a small "pun" for you. ;)
[12:52] <js_> i just went from hoary to breezy, and X tells me it cant initialize the keyboard.. is there anything that has changed within Xorg that i need to edit in my xorg.conf to make it work? or is it somehow related to the framebuffer driver that gets loaded and the nvidia driver i use?
[12:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> Bateau_ you probably just need to configure xmms to use esd, and configure gstreamer to use it as well.
[12:52] <Bateau_> it hust scrolls the tittle
[12:52] <CzarAlex> nickrud, hmm. its already installed. I was trying to install Mail-Notification 2.0 and ./configure quit saying: configure: error: unable to find the GTK+ library. also it says that could mean gtk+ is incorrectally installed...but that came installed when I installed the OS
[12:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> Bateau_ go to preferences and choose esd
[12:52] <dabaR> Bateau_: have you set the output plugin to esound in options preferences?
[12:52] <disasm> zeus1_: well if it helps i told you to try rmmod the sound card module, and then try playing it
[12:52] <nickrud> CzarAlex, then, you want libgtk2.0-dev
[12:52] <CzarAlex> nickrud, Thank you!
[12:52] <secutores> nice pun
[12:52] <Bateau_> 1 sec, and i will check :)
[12:52] <secutores> it was fun
[12:52] <js_> i get "no input driver matching keyboard"
[12:52] <zeus1_> umm
[12:52] <nickrud> CzarAlex, it's nearly always the -dev you need for compiling
[12:52] <zeus1_> wut was it again lol
[12:53] <secutores> i'm thinking more of a hardware compatibility list url\
[12:53] <zeus1_> rmmod something disasm
[12:53] <QMario> Thank you. :)
[12:53] <tritium> zeus1_, no, it's not called wut
[12:53] <Bateau_> hmm, xmms wont start at all
[12:53] <zeus1_> its an internet irc channel not my english class ;p
[12:53] <CzarAlex> nickrud, Good to know. being a linux beginner, I think I'm getting the basic hang of things, but installing programs that aren't in the package manager are killing me. :(
[12:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> What Kernel does Hoary use?
[12:53] <dabaR> Bateau_: starting by opening a file, or opening from the Apps menu?
[12:54] <Bateau_> apps menu
[12:54] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem, use uname -r to find out
[12:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> ty
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` my expensive sound card works fine
[12:54] <QMario> Hello ompaul!!! :)
[12:54] <disasm> also, if you open .bash_history in a text editor you can see all the commands you've typed in recently
[12:54] <thrice`> BROKEN_LADDER: you must need to set something up for dual support then; i've never dealt with that
[12:54] <dabaR> wont open at all, you say? ok, well, two things in a terminal, Bateau_: sudo killall xmms && rm -r ~/.xmms
[12:54] <QMario> How do I change all my Hoary applications to use ALSA instead of ESD?
[12:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` it always worked before.
[12:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way I can install an i586 or i686 version of the kernel?
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` i have each sound card going to a completely different input on my receiver.
[12:55] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Yes. linux-image-i686
[12:55] <dabaR> QMario: in the System>Prefs menu, there should be a sound part, where y ou can set it.
[12:55] <theeil> is there a way to extract files from multi part rar files?
[12:55] <cafuego> QMario: After you disable esd, you need to edit the sound config for EACH app seperately and set it to alsa.
[12:55] <Bateau_> oki dabaR. its done.. now just start xmms?
[12:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> thrice` the only thing i was pointing out with sound working on the other card was that my receiver is working and this is obviously still some kind of computer issue.
[12:55] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem, in fact, just sudo apt-get install linux-686
[12:55] <cafuego> theeil: unrar -e part1.rar - that should process the lot.
[12:55] <disasm> zeus1_: rmmod snd-intel8x0
[12:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> Athlon XP = i686 right?
[12:56] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: No, k7
[12:56] <thrice`> yes
[12:56] <zeus1_> same problem
[12:56] <thedevilsjester> Is there a DVD torrent for ubuntu that works?
[12:56] <dabaR> Bateau_: ya, but not with a file, through the menu.
[12:56] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem, in that case, linux-k7
[12:56] <dabaR> and dont start playing.
[12:56] <zeus1_> Module snd_intel8x0 is in use disasm
[12:56] <Bateau_> mhm
[12:56] <ompaul> QMario, evening
[12:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ok, ty.
[12:56] <zeus1_> killall esd didnt work either disasm
[12:56] <QMario> DabaR and Cafuego, Is MSS efficient? :-/
[12:56] <dabaR> right click, then, options,prefs...Output plugin to AEsound, then ok, tghen play...
[12:57] <Bateau_> dabaR:  and then go to preferense, and change soundthingy to... what?
[12:57] <dabaR> I gotta run out for a few.
[12:57] <dabaR> tell me whether it worked, tho.
[12:58] <disasm> zeus1_: heres a filtered log of everything with your name in it on this channel: http://irc.gentux.org:8000/zeus1.txt
[12:58] <cafuego> QMario: MSS? WHat does that have to do with sound?
[12:58] <Bateau_> uhm... what do i change the output plugin to?
[12:58] <thrush_2> Bateau_, esd
[12:59] <thedevilsjester> Anyone?  The torrent on ubuntu for the DVD Live/Install doesnt connect to the tracker, is there another one (even unofficial?)
[12:59] <nickrud> Bateau_, esound, I think
[12:59] <Bateau_> oki
[12:59] <zeus1_> thank u disasm
[12:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> Sorry for being a bugger - how do I display processor info in the terminal?
[12:59] <ompaul> thedevilsjester, the tracker has been off the air the last couple of days :(
[12:59] <Bateau_> still no sound
[12:59] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:59] <js_> are there any special changes i need to take notice of when using the driver kdb instead of keyboard in xorg.conf?
[01:00] <thedevilsjester> ompaul, ah ok, it would be nice to distribute a live+install to friends
[01:00] <QMario> Cafuego, do you know what I am talking about? It had a selector for either ALSA, OSS, or ESD.
[01:00] <cafuego> QMario: Yes, not MSS.
[01:00] <QMario> I don't know if it will do all or not. :-/
[01:00] <Bateau_> ah, there we go :D
[01:00] <QMario> Cafuego, okay.
[01:00] <js_> how can i find out if im using utf-8?
[01:00] <js_> aterm dosent read my swedish characters, but other X apps do
[01:00] <disasm> zeus1_: try ctrl alt f1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:01] <cafuego> QMario: if you choose ALSA in that chooser, any apps that use *that* prefs would use ALSA. Most apps would not, they would have their OWN prefs set to ESD still.
[01:01] <disasm> then rmmod
[01:01] <Davey|Work> Hey
[01:01] <ompaul> thedevilsjester, why not download the DVD and be ready when the torrent comes back?
[01:01] <nickrud> js_, in a gnome terminal, type locale
[01:01] <zeus1_> k brb disasm
[01:01] <js_> nickrud: can this be related to the problem im describing?
[01:01] <thedevilsjester> ompaul, you mean download the torrent file? I have it
[01:01] <nickrud> js_, aterm, eh :)
[01:01] <js_> nickrud: yeah, well, its what ive always used :O
[01:02] <thedevilsjester> ompaul, I am reinstalling Ubuntu in a few minutes though so it will be lost
[01:02] <ompaul> thedevilsjester, no I mean download the iso and when the torrent is fixed let it tip :)
[01:02] <js_> nickrud: it worked until my upgrade and switch from keyboard to kbd.. so i guess its related to something there, unless another global setting has changed that i dont know of
[01:02] <ompaul> s/tip/rip
[01:02] <js_> nickrud: actually xterm can print the letters
[01:02] <iJeffChat> hi
[01:02] <Davey|Work> I have 1 Laptop, 1 copy of WinXP, 1 PCMCIA Firewire card and a Firewire CD-RW drive... how can I possibly get Ubuntu on this thing? :/
[01:02] <thedevilsjester> ompaul, I just did download the regular iso, they dont have a dvd iso, its only torrent
[01:02] <ompaul> ahh
[01:02] <nickrud> js_, do the locale thing inside the aterm; you may be able trace it starting with that.
[01:03] <chrismy> how do i make ffmpeg to work with xvid?
[01:03] <js_> nickrud: it shows sv_SE for each setting
[01:03] <iJeffChat> Shipit is completely free?
[01:03] <nickrud> js_, and xterm shows?
[01:03] <iJeffChat> No shipping charges right?
[01:03] <ompaul> thedevilsjester, so boot, install, configure and maybe it gets fixed by the time you get reinstalled
[01:03] <js_> nickrud: same
[01:03] <Carpe_Libertatem> will switching form an i386 to a k7 kernel make a significant difference in machine performance?
[01:04] <disasm> ompaul: tsk, tsk, tsk, putting everything in partition, setup a separate home partition, that way when you reinstall/switch distros you keep any data
[01:04] <thedevilsjester> ompaul, yeah thats the plan, I dont need a live cd, but having one thats both for people new to linux that want to try it out and install if they like it, is a good idea.
[01:04] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem, perhaps.  You may not notice a dramatic difference, on the other hand.  Give it a try.
[01:04] <disasm> s/in partition/in one partition
[01:04] <iJeffChat> **Do I have to pay Shipping in Canada for ShipIt discs?**
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> when is breezy supposed to be out?
[01:04] <CarLBanks> hello, I have paritioned the extra part of my harddrive, I have put the iso image onto my CD-R discs, now how do I install?
[01:04] <thedevilsjester> I only get 584 K downloads on the Ubuntu server though, so it will be a few mins
[01:04] <disasm> BROKEN_LADDER: october iirc
[01:04] <thrice`> october
[01:05] <thrice`> though preview comes out soon
[01:05] <thrice`> followed by RC's
[01:05] <Paradoxx> !Flash
[01:05] <ubotu> [flash]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:05] <thrice`> (stable enough to upgrade imo)
[01:05] <ompaul> disasm, I have over 10 partitions so I guess you are not talking to me
[01:05] <QMario> Anyway, what did the people say about me in #Perl?
[01:05] <nickrud> js_, I know the basics about locales; I'd start with sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales, and make sure that the utf-8 version is enabled.
[01:05] <CarLBanks> Do I need to do anything special to install Ubuntu?
[01:05] <transgress> anyone care to help me with getting my wireless connected via terminal?
[01:05] <iJeffChat> DO i have to pay for shipping Ubuntu discs?
[01:05] <transgress> no
[01:05] <js_> nickrud: ok
[01:05] <thedevilsjester> CarLBanks, A PC
[01:06] <robertbb> CarLBanks, Free your mind :-)
[01:06] <thrice`> CarLBanks: being able to read helps
[01:06] <CarLBanks> I can read
[01:06] <benplaut> iJeffChat, no, but donations are appreciated :)
[01:06] <CarLBanks> I don't know how to get to the install screen
[01:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> A friend of mine has a P3 Coppermine, would that be i586 or i686?
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> iJeffChat: no it's all free 100%
[01:06] <thedevilsjester> CarLBanks, Ubunutu was supprisingly painless, it was ugly, but painless :P
[01:06] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: wow that's amazing
[01:06] <benplaut> yeah
[01:06] <disasm> ompaul: oh, meant thedevilsjester
[01:06] <benplaut> but they take forever in shipping
[01:06] <ompaul> iJeffChat, welcome to a different world, where things are so much better :)
[01:06] <benplaut> i highly recommend just burning th CD yourself
[01:06] <mcphail> transgress: what's the problem?
[01:07] <Gyoza> Oh, yeah, I have a PIII laptop.  How do I tell the installer to use something other than 386 packages?
[01:07] <jrattner1> Any one decent at shellscript here who could lend me a hand
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but the orderd cd's are so much cooler ^_^
[01:07] <ompaul> iJeffChat, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <benplaut> Gyoza: that's all it can do
[01:07] <benplaut> i386 is OK
[01:07] <transgress> i can't seem to get wifi to connect via terminal... and i'm pretty sure there is a way via iwconfig... but iuno.  couldn't figure it out.  and google is failing me.
[01:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ahem, are P3 Coppermines i686?
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> I WANT SOUND!!!
[01:07] <benplaut> !686
[01:07] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you on ritalin?
[01:07] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, part of the are you stuck at?
[01:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> !i686
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> p3 coppermines are 686
[01:08] <ubotu> Carpe_Libertatem: What?
[01:08] <disasm> jrattner1: i'm semi-decent
[01:08] <iJeffChat> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Discovering_Ubuntu_Linux
[01:08] <zblach> BROKEN_LADDER, alsamixer
[01:08] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, what kind of sound card is it?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> at least the slot 1's are
[01:08] <Carpe_Libertatem> My friend has a P3 Coppermin Processor - should he use an i686 kernel?
[01:08] <CarLBanks> I can't figure out how to get it to boot from the disc to install
[01:08] <mcphail> transgress: what does sudo ifup wlan0 do?
[01:08] <CarLBanks> I restarted and where it said boot from CD I pressed enter and nothing happened
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've done everything possible in alsamixer
[01:08] <zblach> BROKEN_LADDER, everything?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Carpe_Libertatem: yes if it's a slot 1 cpu i know for a fact that they are i686 compatable
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul intel ich5 onboard audio with Realtek ALC650F chipset.
[01:08] <transgress> mcphail: let me check.  gotta boot it up.
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.
[01:08] <zblach> BROKEN_LADDER, have you checked if its muted or not?
[01:08] <thedevilsjester> BROKEN_LADDER, check the configs manually
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've never had a problem like this before.  i did apt-get upgrade and now this.
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> although i don't know what you would gain with the i686 kernal
[01:09] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, type the letter M beside each of the inputs and I guess you will get some result
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not muted.
[01:09] <thedevilsjester> BROKEN_LADDER, chances are alsaconfig didnt do its job
[01:09] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, what was upgraded?  Are you running breezy?
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> ompaul yeah i know this.  i'ma musician and that's the whole point of my computer.
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't see any diffrence between the i386 and the i686 kernal
[01:09] <dalamar> anyone know why at 1600x1200 75 mhz all my vids have flicker on the right hand side but 1280x1024 85 mhz they work fine? could it be the refresh? everything else works fine video-wise with either res/refresh seems to only be with some codecs or something too, some videos play okay?
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium i'm running hoary
[01:09] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, which packages were upgraded?
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> there are only like 4 things you can change in alsamixer
[01:10] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, are you using the livecd? or is this the first time you have tried to boot from cd
[01:10] <chrismy> how do i make ffmpeg to work with xvid on linux?
[01:10] <Paradoxx> hmm
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dalamar: try running the refresh rate at 70 Mhz
[01:10] <CarLBanks> I am not using a live CD
[01:10] <thedevilsjester> anyway off to reinstall Ubuntu
[01:10] <CarLBanks> should I be using the livecd?
[01:10] <tritium> thedevilsjester, why are you reinstalling?
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> volume master, volume pcm, optical on/off
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> etc
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that fixed the ficker on my box
[01:10] <CarLBanks> I want to install ubuntu on a spare parition
[01:10] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, which packages were upgraded?
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> CarLBanks good for you.
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> Tritium how can i check that?
[01:10] <tritium> did you use aptitude?
[01:11] <CarLBanks> I don't know how to get it to recogonize the CD
[01:11] <KrisWood> Hello, does anyone know what the apt-get package name for MySQL Administrator is?
[01:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used apt-get
[01:11] <tritium> it doesn't keep logs.  You have to pay attention
[01:11] <CarLBanks> since on the CD it says ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64 for the file
[01:11] <thedevilsjester> tritium, I installed 64bit (coming from gentoo64bit) hoping a precompild 64bit wouldnt be as bad, but its worse in compatiblity for apps, so I am installing a 32bit ubuntu
[01:11] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no luck
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm
[01:11] <thedevilsjester> tritium, and saving 64bit for a 'bit' later
[01:11] <tritium> thedevilsjester, I see
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what kind of video card?
[01:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is smeg in the default repositories?
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the resolution again
[01:12] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: How many discs is max for you guys to actually call? I ordered 2 PPC for my mac, and 10 Intel for friends and family (Dont worry they will be used well)
[01:12] <nickrud> KrisWood, try mysql-admin
[01:12] <tritium> thedevilsjester, you can run a 32-bit chroot if you want to
[01:12] <KrisWood> nickrud, I'll try that thanks
[01:12] <nickrud> !smeg
[01:12] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[01:12] <thedevilsjester> tritium, not worth the effort :)  Especially trying to cross compile my apps so 32bit users can use em, too much work, ill hold off a bit longer
[01:13] <QMario> What does "afaik" mean?
[01:13] <CarLBanks> is 64 bit ubuntu good?
[01:13] <tritium> okay,
[01:13] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: How many discs is max for you guys to actually call? I ordered 2 PPC for my mac, and 10 Intel for friends and family (Dont worry they will be used well)
[01:13] <Will^Draven> as far as i know
[01:13] <nickrud> Carpe_Libertatem, no, it doesn't look like it :)
[01:13] <benplaut> iJeffChat, that's a good amount... they ask you to email them if you get what they consider a large number of 64bit or PPC, but that's OK
[01:13] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, nividia geforce2 mx 32 bit, 1600x1200 75 mhz .. only happens with some videos, and they run fine on 1280x1024 85 mhz
[01:13] <benplaut> QMario, As Far As I Know
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dalamar: try to work it at 85 Mhz at your prefred resolution but  be carefull you might blow your monitor
[01:13] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, im assuming you have an amd processor? =) You should just come to a prompt and have to hit enter to begin install..
[01:14] <CarLBanks> I just restart with the CD in the drive and it won't boot from the CD
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and if that dosen't work then use the 1280x1024
[01:14] <CarLBanks> and I am on an amd processor
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> there have been times in the past where i could only get sound to work if i muted it.
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it seems almost as if the refresh rate is to fast
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> strangely enough
[01:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> something to do with using iec958
[01:15] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i dont even have the option to use 85 mhz on 1600x1200, guess ill stick with 1280x1024 ;/
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if the higher refresh rate is to harsh on your monitor (and i suspect it will be) drop it down to 70 Mhz or slower
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow thats odd i have the same card as you
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i run it just fine at 1600x1200
[01:15] <KrisWood> nickrud, that seems to have worked thanks :)
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with 75Mhz
[01:15] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know which repo smeg is in? =P
[01:16] <nickrud> KrisWood, np
[01:16] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: It's a function of monitor specs, not card specs.
[01:16] <KrisWood> ok I've installed mysql-admin but how do I get a shortcut to it in my gnome panel?
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok i see
[01:16] <nickrud> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about smeg
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the monitor can't hack it eh?
[01:16] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: indeed.
[01:16] <juanej> how do u run bittornado?
[01:16] <QMario> Bittornado?
[01:16] <QMario> What is that?
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but just in case dalamar pastebin me your xorg.conf
[01:16] <dalamar> im -sure- the monitor can do it, its a 19" samsung thats not even 2 years old
[01:16] <Will^Draven> bittornado is a bittorrent client
[01:16] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: This is why SOME large screens are cheap and others are not.
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> samsung
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok i see
[01:17] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, try hitting esc key or del during bootup. you might need to access motherboards bios change your boot order
[01:17] <juanej> how do i run it?
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm but samsung seems really good to me
[01:17] <juanej> bittornado doesnt work
[01:17] <juanej> command not found
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i haven't herd of any isshues with there monitors as of yet
[01:17] <cafuego> their LCDs are, wouldn't know about their CRTs. I have a 15" samsung CRT that's blurry ant anything over 60Hz
[01:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i first ran ubuntu, getting my monitor's resolution to be normal was virtually impossible.  i played with it for hours.
[01:18] <dalamar> and some videos it plays fine and theres no flicker or anything on the desktop itself, just some videos in any vid program i use
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit i have a dell monitor and with the resoulution i put out i had to cut holes in the sides and top of the monitor to install fans
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it works ^_^
[01:18] <nickrud> KrisWood, I'd suggest installing the package menu; it will give you menu access to all the odd programs you have
[01:18] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: A dell is just a rebadged $cheap_brand
[01:18] <abarbaccia> hey, is breezy functional?
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[01:18] <QMario> Do you think that murderers should get away with their deeds?
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i got it from the side of the road so i can't complane ^_^
[01:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to get sound working so i can go to the millions of other things i have to do today.
[01:19] <cafuego> especially as 'to complane' isn't an existing verb ;-)
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> your sound onboard?
[01:19] <cafuego> QMario: Depends on who the victim is.
[01:19] <nickrud> abarbaccia, yes, for me. Your experience may be different.
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well sorry i don't care to spell things correctly
[01:19] <dducko> Anyone here have MSN.. and its not working today?
[01:19] <cafuego> QMario: Someone who murdered george bush might need a party and a free car
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if people care as to what i have to say they can read the phonetics of my typeing
[01:20] <Davey|Work> is it possible to boot from a CD in a firewire drive plugged into a PCMCIA firewire card?
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> cafuego no doubt
[01:20] <tritium> cafuego, BROKEN_LADDER careful please
[01:20] <nickrud> the day I get on the fly spell checkking in xchat is the day I will praise all things :)
[01:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> careful.  don't disrespect our murdering dictator
[01:21] <tritium> QMario, that's sufficiently offtopic
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> otherwize block me from your irc (not ban me from the room)
[01:21] <benplaut> basically, no politics in here
[01:21] <cafuego> nickrud: Or even a spell checker in irssi that auto-blocks the worst typo3s.
[01:21] <tritium> exactly, benplaut
[01:21] <nickrud> :)
[01:21] <cafuego> tritium: I'm having a hard time recruiting assassins in #politics ;-)
[01:21] <Paradoxx> whats the macromedia flash package name?
[01:21] <zeus1_> disasm how do uget back into the  graphical version of ubuntu
[01:21] <tristanmike> except emacs is better then vim
[01:22] <benplaut> uh-oh
[01:22] <Paradoxx> the one on the wiki dosen't work for me
[01:22] <utnubu> Q: Install from Ubuntu 5.04 Live CD ?
[01:22] <benplaut> here comes the text editor holy war
[01:22] <iJeffChat> Question/ Does ubuntu on Powerbook utilize the airport card?
[01:22] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, heres the xorg.conf - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1904
[01:22] <nickrud> !editor
[01:22] <ubotu> nickrud: I give up, what is it?
[01:22] <tristanmike> that's the only politics
[01:22] <goofrider> anyone can help me with deleting acct/package on LaunchPad?
[01:22] <zeus1_> u told me to do crtl alt thing and it went into a terminal only thing i didnt no wat i was doing and got scared and rebooted disasm
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[01:22] <nickrud> should have left the entry.
[01:22] <jknife> whats the latest kernel version on the rap?
[01:22] <cafuego> Paradoxx: There should be a flashplayer-mozilla in the repository (for i386)
[01:23] <jrattner1> does xchat from ubuntu not ship with sounds?
[01:23] <Will^Draven> zeus1_, alt+ctrl+F7 takes you back to your x session
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dalamar:  ok so you have an nvidia gforce 100 or 200 mx?
[01:23] <utnubu> Question: How to install from Ubuntu Live CD ?
[01:23] <zeus1_> thank u will
[01:23] <zeus1_> will^draven
[01:23] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah 200
[01:24] <benplaut> utnubu, you can't
[01:24] <zeus1_> brb
[01:24] <Will^Draven> no problem
[01:24] <nickrud> utnubu, I think by using it to download the install cd ;D
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then i don't think that your card is gonna be able to hack the resolution in ubuntu >.<
[01:24] <Paradoxx> cafuego it says it dosen't find one
[01:24] <cafuego> !find flashplayer
[01:24] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[01:24] <cafuego> Paradoxx: Enable 'multiverse'.
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm runing an nvidia gforce 4000mx with no problems and there cheap on ebay
[01:24] <Paradoxx> i'm sure it is enabled
[01:24] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that stinks, seeing as it works for everything except a few videos - oh well ill run it anyway
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm
[01:25] <cafuego> ChurcH_of_FoamY: They apparently have issues with the latest nvidia driver (which is in breezy)
[01:25] <utnubu> Question: Running on the Live CD, there is not enough storage to download the Install CD iso ?
[01:25] <goofrider> Any LaunchPad admin here?
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and what is the  nv11ddr? is that the driver?
[01:25] <jknife> Will^Draven, if your in a TTY you dont need to press alt just ctl+F#
[01:25] <jknife> whats the latest kernel version on the rap?
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is interesting and might explain some of my audio problems.
[01:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.alsa-project.org_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.alsa-project.org_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:25] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, thats how mine is installed as well
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard
[01:26] <Xappe> utnubu: mount a decent partition and download the iso to that
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i would suggest that you get a little bit of a newer card then
[01:26] <CarLBanks> ok when I start up and I go through all the login screens it doesn't see the disc and doesn't boot it up from the CD
[01:26] <jknife> does nvidia-glx-dev includeglu.h???
[01:26] <nickrud> utnubu, I'll erase all I was about to say and point at Xappe
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they sell the one i have on ebay for like 20 dollars
[01:26] <dalamar> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yeah its on the list of things to get ;)
[01:26] <cafuego> jknife: What are you trying to compile?
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cool
[01:26] <Paradoxx> my firefox, keeps closing
[01:26] <Paradoxx> i don't kno y
[01:26] <zeus1_> disasm - i tried thsoe commands they didnt work
[01:26] <Paradoxx> >.<
[01:26] <jknife> quake2/quake3 and Evas
[01:26] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, you need to change your boot order in bios
[01:27] <zeus1_> I stopped /ect/init.d/gmd stop
[01:27] <utnubu> Xappe nickrud Question: How to format and write new master boot record?
[01:27] <CarLBanks> that sounds scary
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> good job on the screen resolutions though
[01:27] <zeus1_> and did rmmod and it didnt work disasm
[01:27] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, maybe
[01:27] <Paradoxx> any1 espereinced a similar problem?
[01:27] <zeus1_> said sound still in use - disasm
[01:27] <CarLBanks> is there an FAQ on how to do it?
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my xorg.conf file is somewhat messier
[01:27] <cafuego> jknife: You can check on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <disasm> zeus1_: hmmm, sound still in use even on the cli...
[01:27] <jknife> k
[01:27] <zeus1_> ya it said disabling gnome display manager and said ok
[01:28] <Xappe> utnubu: the installer will take care of the mbr for you
[01:28] <thrush_2> do you know your motherboards model?
[01:28] <nickrud> utnubu, grub-install is the command, but what's your context?
[01:28] <zeus1_> then i tryed it said sound module in use
[01:28] <zeus1_> :(
[01:28] <disasm> zeus1_: lemme try something real quick
[01:28] <CarLBanks> it is a guru motherboard
[01:28] <CarLBanks> an ABit Guru
[01:28] <CarLBanks> I think I know what to do
[01:28] <CarLBanks> brb
[01:28] <nickrud> utnubu, I mean, it's not something you need to do, normally
[01:28] <johndarkhorse> nickrud: are you in here causing trouble, again?
[01:29] <utnubu> Xappe nickrud: Question: Running on the Live CD, how to format the existing harddrive in order to restore the master boot record?
[01:29] <nickrud> johndarkhorse, moi?
[01:29] <zeus1_> disasm - k
[01:29] <zeus1_> Hey is there a package for GIMP that makes it look like photoshop
[01:29] <Xappe> utnubu: restore to what?
[01:29] <zeus1_> i heard there was....
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have my current asus motherboard that has the bios pic that you can change set to display a pic of the ubuntu logo ^_^
[01:30] <nickrud> utnubu, I've never had to do that, so I'll bow out (now, lilo, if you want some help)
[01:30] <johndarkhorse> nickrud: yes, you know who i'm talkgin to
[01:30] <mcphail> zeus1_: google for gimpshop
[01:30] <utnubu> Xappe: restore to a non corrupt mbr.  Grub loads and is incorrect.  Partitions may be corrupt.  Entire disk wipe ?
[01:30] <johndarkhorse> xappe, nickrud  i think utnubu wants to add a new partition to his existing setup
[01:30] <tritium> utnubu, it's fdisk /mbr, if you can use a windows rescue boot disk
[01:30] <disasm> zeus1_: well it killed sound here, i did ctrl alt f1 /etc/init.d/gdm stop, rmmod snd-intel8x0 /etc/init.d/gdm start and i no longer have sound...
[01:30] <jknife> brb
[01:31] <nickrud> johndarkhorse, then, if you know ...
[01:31] <shinu> is there such a command like finger@ ?
[01:31] <[^IkarI^] > Hello, is there any good power management applet for gnome that can run on the Hoary version? The battery monitor just lets me see how my battery drains out really fast....
[01:31] <zeus1_> disasm - k
[01:31] <zeus1_> there has to be another way to do it
[01:31] <Webby`> help! I startx won't start
[01:31] <utnubu> Question: How to erase the harddrive and rewrite the mbr from the Live CD?
[01:31] <Xappe> utnubu: if you have an ubuntu install you can chroot to that and do grub-install /dev/hdx i guess
[01:31] <thrush_2> Webby`, gdm work?=)
[01:32] <Webby`> What do I type in command prompt to get it to work right?
[01:32] <Fackamato> hi
[01:32] <Webby`> thrush2: nope
[01:32] <Carpe_Libertatem> !smeg
[01:32] <ubotu> smeg is, like, a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[01:32] <mcphail> utnubu: do you want to get rid of your MBR altogether?
[01:32] <CarLBanks> ok so for boot priority it didn't change a thing
[01:32] <Fackamato> I'm on breezy here, anyone know what nsl= option I should use to access my scandinavian '' letters on NTFS volumes in fstab? (says invalid char encoding now)
[01:32] <Fackamato> tried 850 and 1250 and utf8 without success
[01:32] <CarLBanks> did I need to extract the iso image before copying it to the disk?
[01:32] <benplaut> shinu
[01:32] <nickrud> utnubu, I think you'll need to be a little more specific about your situation, to get better help :)
[01:33] <CarlFK> hoary - does a user have to unmount the floppy, or is everything written right away?
[01:33] <CarLBanks> or is a regular iso image fine
[01:33] <CarLBanks> since on the CD I just extracted the ISO image to it
[01:33] <Xappe> Fackamato: UTF-8
[01:33] <Webby`> I'm running Breezy, could not being able to startx be a bug?
[01:33] <shinu> benplaut: yes?
[01:33] <benplaut> !ping
[01:33] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, benplaut.
[01:33] <utnubu> On boot, GRLDR fails, and the Floppy and CD and DVD drives are ignored, altho they are in the BIOS Boot Device setup...
[01:33] <benplaut> shinu, vuala :P
[01:33] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: Just curious, how can anyone afford to send out free CDs?
[01:33] <disasm> zeus1_: sudo echo snd_intel8x0 >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist then reboot, that will definitely kill the module, and to get sound back you'll have to modprobe snd-intel8x0 or remove that line from /etc/hotplug/blacklist and reboot
[01:33] <benplaut> !mark shuttleworth
[01:33] <utnubu> I am running now in the Ubuntu Live CD and I want to take over the harddrive please
[01:33] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you on ritalin?
[01:34] <Webby`> !ping
[01:34] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, webby`.
[01:34] <Fackamato> Xappe: that did not work
[01:34] <nickrud> CarlFK, no, normally you _must_ unmount, unless you've specically set up drive syncing
[01:34] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: Just curious, how can anyone afford to send out free CDs?
[01:34] <Webby`> I'm running Breezy, could not being able to startx be a bug?
[01:34] <benplaut> iJeffChat, Mark Shuttleworth... philanthropic multi-millionere
[01:34] <muszek> hello
[01:34] <CarlFK> iJeffChat - AOL does it ;)
[01:34] <shinu> benplaut: ?
[01:34] <benplaut> iJeffChat, and stop repeating yourself
[01:34] <Webby`> lol
[01:34] <benplaut> shinu: what ubotu said ;)
[01:34] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, when you look in the cd it shows 'alot' of files right not just something.iso?
[01:34] <iJeffChat> Benplaut: sorry.. who's a mutli-billionaire? wha?
[01:35] <CarlFK> nickrud - i thought maybe ubuntu set that up by default
[01:35] <benplaut> Mark Shuttleworth
[01:35] <CarLBanks> it just shows something iso
[01:35] <CarLBanks> whoops
[01:35] <benplaut> he funds ubuntu
[01:35] <CarLBanks> how do I erase the CD
[01:35] <Webby`> I'm running Breezy, could not being able to startx be a bug?
[01:35] <tom17h> Hmm... something very strange seems to have just happened -- key combos that involve alt and shift aren't working right -- speicifcally, they're ignoring the shift. Keycombos with shift and without alt are still fine. Any idea what could be causing this? It seems to be GNOME wide, but not system wide (the keycombos work right in my virtual terminals)
[01:35] <iJeffChat> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html
[01:35] <iJeffChat> Him?
[01:35] <Webby`> Can someone answer me please?
[01:35] <Fackamato> what sound program should xchat use in breezy?
[01:35] <Fackamato> 'auto' doesn't work, does pc speaker beep.
[01:36] <Fackamato> i'm on gnome
[01:36] <nickrud> CarlFK, I don't think so.
[01:36] <thrush_2> what cd burning software you using?
[01:36] <thrush_2> CarLBanks,
[01:36] <hermit> What's the ubuntu equivalent to /etc/rc.local ?
[01:36] <CarLBanks> that means I just wasted a CD-R
[01:36] <muszek> I'm installing Ubuntu on my friends computer (used to play music @ his cafe), but I don't know how to switch sound output from motherboard's sound card to the "regular" one. Can anyone please help me?
[01:36] <CarLBanks> d'oh...\
[01:36] <thrush_2> =)
[01:37] <CarLBanks> your happy about that?
[01:37] <CarLBanks> :(
[01:37] <[^IkarI^] > Hello, is there any good power management applet for gnome that can run on the Hoary version? The battery monitor just lets me see how my battery drains out really fast....
[01:37] <Webby`> I'm running Breezy, could not being able to startx be a bug?
[01:37] <thrush_2> ive been sitting at a helpdesk for nine hours with not one call any distraction is welcome =)
[01:37] <nickrud> Webby`, X in breezy is not done yet; wait a bit.
[01:38] <Webby`> Ok, Thanks nickrud
[01:38] <Webby`> I keep getting startx errors
[01:38] <Webby`> :(
[01:38] <Webby`> Guess it's back to Hoary
[01:38] <tritium> Webby`, why are you not running gdm instead?
[01:38] <Xorlev> /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[01:38] <CarLBanks> Thrush your sure I can't delete a CD-R?
[01:38] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, yep
[01:38] <CarLBanks> dang it!
[01:38] <Xorlev> CD-R is permanent write media.
[01:38] <Webby`> tritium: what is gdm?
[01:38] <Xorlev> CD-RW is rewritable.
[01:39] <tritium> Webby`, gnome display manager
[01:39] <utnubu> Question: root$ fdisk /mbr    "Unable to open /mbr"
[01:39] <Webby`> tritium: I was but it won't start now
[01:39] <Xorlev> Webby`: X is just the graphics engine, GDM uses it to make the desktop.
[01:39] <tritium> Webby`, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
[01:39] <nickrud> utnubu, you cannot use the live cd to install ubuntu. That command was to use windows to fix your mbr.
[01:39] <CarLBanks> ok Thrash that's it
[01:39] <hermit> where can i put comments to be run at startup in ubuntu?
[01:39] <hermit> in other systems ive used rc.local
[01:40] <CarLBanks> Ubuntu doesn't offer anything over Windows
[01:40] <hermit> but it doesn't exist here..
[01:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> CarLBanks: One is free, the other is $200+ ? =P
[01:40] <thrush_2> CarLBanks, except for the fact that its all free
[01:40] <CarLBanks> I'm not going to waste another CD and install Ubuntu and then find out I don't like it
[01:40] <Xorlev> CarLBanks: Indeed it does.
[01:40] <tritium> CarLBanks, actually, it does.  But you're free to do as you wish
[01:40] <CarLBanks> I've already wasted one CD
[01:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> That's your fault.
[01:40] <nickrud> hermit, you can create it in /etc/init.d/, then link it as S99rc.local in /etc/rc2.d
[01:40] <Fackamato> How do I install multimeda codecs? Like support for decoding DivX, XviD, Windows WMV, _MP3_ etc.
[01:40] <Xorlev> Gee. You wasted $0.10. What a loss.
[01:40] <hermit> nickrud: thanks
[01:40] <Fackamato> I'm on breezy btw.
[01:40] <mcphail> CarLBanks: stop moaning about wasted CD-Rs. They're cheaper than fresh air.
[01:41] <Madpilot> CarLBanks: not much of a waste, you learned how *not* do to it... (you can always send away for the pressed Ubuntu CDs...)
[01:41] <utnubu> Question: How format the harddrive and rewrite the partition table?
[01:41] <nickrud> hermit, although there is probably a better way, depending on what you're after.
[01:41] <johndarkhorse> !tell Fackamato about restricted
[01:41] <Xorlev> The pressed CDs take a long time to arrive.
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea so there free
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:41] <Xorlev> I still haven't gotten mine o.o
[01:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> When did you submit?
[01:42] <Kyral>  :D
[01:42] <Xorlev> Ehm...like...2-4 months ago
[01:42] <CarLBanks> ok
[01:42] <Xorlev> Err
[01:42] <Xorlev> weeks
[01:42] <mcphail> utnubu: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 will _completely_ blank the partition table
[01:42] <CarLBanks> now first question
[01:42] <nickrud> Xorlev, it took so long to get my hoary disks, I had no idea why someone would send me a package from switzerland :)
[01:42] <benplaut> Xorlev, mine took 4 months...
[01:42] <CarLBanks> I got a new CD-R
[01:42] <Kyral> No, it isn't Windows :P
[01:42] <Kyral> sorry, I'm hyper and in a sarcastic mood :D
[01:42] <johndarkhorse> nickrud: yours didnt come from the netherlands?
[01:42] <CarLBanks> you guys were right about the CD-R being cheap
[01:42] <Xorlev> Be warned CarLBanks, Ubuntu is NOT Windows.
[01:42] <CarLBanks> I know Xorlev
[01:43] <CarLBanks> I want to try something different
[01:43] <nickrud> johndarkhorse, no, and you too, you dog
[01:43] <Xorlev> Its much better, though you might not be used to it.
[01:43] <Kyral> ubotu tell CarLBanks about apt
[01:43] <nickrud> ;P
[01:43] <Kyral> Thats gonna stop a lot of questions :P
[01:43] <agora> Hey u folks I need some help
[01:43] <Xorlev> Whatcha need agora?
[01:43] <utnubu> mcphail: and then to save the Install CD to there?
[01:43] <hermit> nickrud: that will do fine
[01:44] <hermit> nickrud: i just need it to bind some filesystems to a chrooted installation i run on here
[01:44] <agora> Xorlev  ubuntu 5.0.4 cant burn cds
[01:44] <Xorlev> Yes it can.
[01:44] <tritium> yes, it can
[01:44] <CarLBanks> which should I pick? Intel or AMD64, and how do I extract the ISO?
[01:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> I've burned CDs in Ubuntu 5.0.4 ...
[01:44] <phantombrainm> it can
[01:44] <utnubu> Burning CDs: cdrecorder nautilus-cd-burner
[01:44] <Madpilot> agora: sure it can. Nautilus (the file manager) burns CDs just fine...
[01:44] <tritium> and graveman, gnomebaker, k3b
[01:44] <Kyral> CarLBanks, what kind of processor do you have?
[01:44] <phantombrainm> k3b works as well
[01:44] <mcphail> utnubu: no, no, no. You need to install from the install CD. You shouldn't need to rewrite the partition table to do that.
[01:44] <agora> Xorlev drive is recognised and read cd ok
[01:45] <Xorlev> Well, to be technical, Ubuntu doesn't and can't burn CDs. The software does.
[01:45] <CarLBanks> I've got the AMD64, but I heard someone say it's not supported by some software
[01:45] <Madpilot> Xorlev: nice nitpick...
[01:45] <Madpilot> ;)
[01:45] <CarLBanks> AMD 64 3000
[01:45] <utnubu> mcphail Question: How to download the Install CD to the harddrive?
[01:45] <Xorlev> Even then the software doesn't.
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help me get sound working on my on-board audio, Realtek ALC650F chipset..??
[01:46] <Madpilot> Xorlev: right, the burner does the actual work... (you're still nitpicking...)
[01:46] <Madpilot> ;)
[01:46] <agora> Madpilot  Nautilus creats the image then starts to burn.  It hangs the cd light never comes on and the mouse even hangs
[01:46] <Xorlev> The software uses the kernel which runs the device driver which uses the IDE or SCSI controller which controls the burner which burns the CD.
[01:46] <Xappe> utnubu: mount the hdd --> download to it
[01:46] <mcphail> utnubu: same way you'd choose to download anything else...
[01:46] <Kyral> CarLBanks, if you want uber easy, then do the x86 ISO
[01:46] <nickrud> utnubu, is the live cd the only os you can boot on the machine?
[01:46] <Madpilot> agora: try one or two of the other CD burning apps, see if they work...
[01:46] <Kyral> but you won't be using your full 64 bit power
[01:47] <mcphail> utnubu: do whatever you did to download and burn the live cd
[01:47] <Madpilot> be back later, got real-world things on the go...
[01:47] <CarLBanks> ok so if I pick 64 then it will be compatible?
[01:47] <Kyral> I dunno, I run a 32 bit :P
[01:47] <Xorlev> You might try the x86 version, then if you like it, use the amd64.
[01:47] <Kyral> Check out the AMD64 version
[01:47] <Kyral> err
[01:47] <Kyral> forum!
[01:47] <Kyral> yah!
[01:47] <agora> tried k3p - hangs the same no help
[01:47] <Kyral> I can't type...
[01:47] <QMario> Can I use 32-bit software with a Sempron64?
[01:48] <SavvyPlayer> hello, how does one configure two ubuntu peers to recognize each other by hostname?
[01:48] <Fackamato> QMario:  of course.
[01:48] <agora> hardware was good under windows just before I wiped and loaded ubuntu
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> k3b works fine for me.
[01:48] <Xorlev> SavvyPlayer: Ethernet, router, hub?
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> going even
[01:48] <Xorlev> BROKEN_LADDER: See the light man!
[01:48] <utnubu> Question: How to mount a harddrive from the Live CD?
[01:48] <Xorlev> Stay on linux!
[01:49] <SavvyPlayer> linksys cable/dsl router dynamic ip addressing
[01:49] <js_> how do i change the font of the titlebar etc in firefox?
[01:49] <tritium> that's better than what you were pondering earlier
[01:49] <QMario> Windows=Viruses, Spyware, and the three-finger-salute, ;)
[01:49] <Xorlev> !grub
[01:49] <ubotu> grub is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:49] <agora> Madpilot I want to try gnomebaker but apt-get says it cant be found and such
[01:49] <QMario> !troll
[01:49] <ubotu> QMario: What?
[01:49] <QMario> !Botsnack
[01:49] <ubotu> :)
[01:50] <tom17h> SavvyPlayer: Assuming the hostnames are local, you can add an entry to /etc/hosts.
[01:50] <CarLBanks> Thank you all for your help with me in my uber and stupid newbie-ness
[01:50] <agora> Madpilot is there a repository that has gnomebaker
[01:50] <mcphail> utnubu: first of all, create some partitons with sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[01:50] <tritium> agora, universe
[01:50] <QMario> What does the term "trolling" mean?
[01:50] <robertbb> I have a working FAT32 partition that is able to be seen/read by Windows and GNU/Linux.  However, under GNU/Linux, it is only able to be written to by user root (despite the ownership of the directory to which it is mounted being robertbb:robertbb).
[01:50] <robertbb> Permissions are also 777.
[01:50] <robertbb> Anyone experienced a problem like this?
[01:50] <SavvyPlayer> dynamic ip addressing means /etc/hosts is not a reliable option
[01:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> Xorlev then how do i get something as basic as sound to work again so i can get things done that are more important than my f&$#ing computer?
[01:51] <utnubu> root$ sudo cfdisk /dev/hda   "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: logical partitions overlap"
[01:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have too mayn things to  do today to worry aboutthis.
[01:51] <agora> tritium I went there and found the files
[01:51] <Xappe> robertbb: mount with umask=000
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > QMario: it means being pointless and leaving useless comments
[01:51] <Xorlev> BROKEN_LADDER: Tried going into alsamixer and muting Digital output?
[01:51] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, don't we all?
[01:51] <aru> I'm tired of mozilla crashing... I think its time for a new browser
[01:51] <Quinthius> QMario: or basically stirring up trouble
[01:51] <agora> tritium I would like to add the repository but did  not know how
[01:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> Xorlev yeah.  strangely that has worked in the past.  muting digital output makes the digital output work.
[01:51] <nickrud> aru, try epiphany, small and fast
[01:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> but that's not working.
[01:51] <thrush_2> robertbb,  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:52] <utnubu> Question: [From the Live CD]  How to rewrite the partition table? How to format /dev/hda?
[01:52] <mcphail> utnubu: you have a borked partition table as you mentioned above. If you are happy to blank your hard drive, follow the dd instruction i gave above.
[01:52] <QMario> Quinthius. how do I stir up trouble?
[01:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> Xorlev thing only thing that changed was a did an apt-get upgrade
[01:52] <QMario> Do any of you think I do that here?
[01:52] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you're using unofficial repos
[01:52] <agora> tritium I mean in synaptic
[01:52] <tritium> !repositories
[01:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:52] <tritium> agora, ^^
[01:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> the gnome volume monitor shows sound bar going when i use xmms
[01:52] <agora> tritium yes
[01:52] <tom17h> SavvyPlayer: If both hosts are getting their IP dynamically, how can they know where to find each other without further intervention?
[01:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> as if everything is fine
[01:52] <Quinthius> QMario: i was answering your question as an addition to phaedrus' response...
[01:52] <mcphail> utnubu: if you have data on your hard drive you need to keep, then that will be more problematic
[01:52] <tritium> stick with official ubuntu repos
[01:52] <QMario> Hee, I was just joking.
[01:52] <SavvyPlayer> that's my question :)
[01:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium not for anything sound related i'm not.  just for minisip
[01:53] <QMario>  
[01:53] <SavvyPlayer> doesn't windows use bootp or something?
[01:53] <agora> tritium i dont know what ^^ means
[01:53] <arbir> hello
[01:53] <tritium> agora, it meant to look at the line above
[01:53] <robertbb> Xappe, thrush_2, thanks for your help :-)
[01:54] <arbir> hi tritium
[01:54] <tritium> hi arbir
[01:54] <QMario> Hello arbir! :)
[01:54] <utnubu> Question: [From the Live CD]  Which partition type is most sutable for ubuntu?
[01:54] <QMario> Ext3!!!
[01:54] <utnubu> suItable
[01:54] <Xorlev> ext3
[01:54] <arbir> i am losing connection with my wirelesss router
[01:54] <QMario> Woop!!1
[01:54] <arbir> hi QMario
[01:54] <SavvyPlayer> ext3 or reiserfs
[01:54] <QMario> s/1/!
[01:54] <tritium> reiserfs can be troublesome
[01:54] <arbir> and when i reboot it works fine for 5 mins adn then again i lose it
[01:54] <SavvyPlayer> reiserfs performs better on benchmarks
[01:54] <Xorlev> reiser is nice, but I prefer the security ext3 is based on
[01:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> security?
[01:55] <mcphail> ubotu: primary or logical are fine
[01:55] <ubotu> okay, mcphail
[01:55] <agora> tritium I dont know the proper syntax for add repository - dep <site name> main universe ....??????
[01:55] <QMario>  Go ext3!!! 
[01:55] <mcphail> oops
[01:55] <tritium> agora, did you read the URL I gave you?
[01:55] <agora> tritium that was sb deb
[01:55] <arbir> QMario, can you please help me ?
[01:55] <mcphail> utnubu: what i said to ubotu...
[01:55] <tritium> ubotu, tell agora about repositories
[01:56] <agora> tritium universe
[01:56] <utnubu> Question: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda  [Type]  there is not ext3 as an option...
[01:56] <tritium> yep
[01:56] <QMario> !Repositories
[01:56] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:56] <arbir> tritium, can you please help me ?
[01:56] <mcphail> utnubu: type 83 for linux
[01:56] <tritium> arbir, with what?
[01:56] <thrush_2> ubotu, just select "linux"
[01:56] <ubotu> thrush_2: Syntax error in line 1
[01:56] <mcphail> (or is it 82???)
[01:57] <arbir> my wirelss connection keeps dropping and once it has dropped i am not able to connect unless i reboot
[01:57] <thrush_2> ubotu, i want talking to you
[01:57] <ubotu> thrush_2: No idea
[01:57] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone know where a tutorial on enabling FTP in Ubuntu would be located?
[01:57] <cafuego> 82 is swap
[01:57] <utnubu> Thank You! "Wrote partition table to disk"
[01:57] <mcphail> utnubu: make a swap partition as well
[01:57] <tritium> arbir, can you provide more details?
[01:57] <disasm> arbir: what if is your wireless card?
[01:58] <cafuego> more to the point, are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:58] <arbir> tritium, i have an inspiron 9300 which has the intel 2200 BG card
[01:58] <benplaut> thrush_2: ubotu is a bot
[01:58] <arbir> tritium , i have the Dlink wireless router
[01:58] <disasm> arbir: also, next time it happens, try /etc/init.d/networking restart rather than rebooting
[01:58] <mcphail> utnubu: by the way, do you have 2 cd drives?
[01:58] <arbir> my laptop is dual boot. with XP and Ubuntu
[01:58] <tritium> arbir, there are some known issues with ipw2200 such as that
[01:58] <SavvyPlayer> so is it possible for two ubuntu peers on a given subnet to learn each other's hostname?
[01:58] <utnubu> [Hardware] : two cd drives, Asus CDRW, HP CD DVD
[01:58] <atila> hi all; sorry but I guess I have messed up the drivers for my webcam. can anyone help me (I am a n00b)
[01:58] <cafuego> mcphail: He ought to be able to do a debootstrap install from the livecd onto a disk.
[01:59] <utnubu> Question: How large for the swap partition, what sudo [Type] 
[01:59] <arbir> tritium, i tried both GUI and CLI ways of refreshing my NIC.. but it wont respond
[01:59] <thrush_2> !ubotu
[01:59] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:59] <QMario> Ubotu, tell thrush2_ about ubotu.
[01:59] <cafuego> utnubu: Depends on your ram; I normally use between 256 and 512Mb as swap.
[01:59] <arbir> Tritium is there any place where I can get some updated drivers ?
[01:59] <mcphail> utnubu: type 82
[01:59] <tritium> arbir, breezy has newer drivers, for one thing, if you're willing to run it
[01:59] <arbir> disasm, networking restart does not work
[01:59] <agora> ubotu  hey maybe you know the best way to install gnomebaker  ???
[01:59] <ubotu> agora: Are you smoking crack?
[02:00] <disasm> Sir_Brizz: i'd assume apt-get install wu-ftpd would do what you want
[02:00] <arbir> tritium, it cant get worse than this
[02:00] <cafuego> Don't use wu-ftpd!
[02:00] <utnubu> Question: Should the swap partition be at the beginning of the drive?
[02:00] <thrush_2> utnubu, yes
[02:00] <agora> obotu  no why would you say that
[02:00] <cafuego> is is THE most root hole ridden software EVER
[02:00] <tritium> arbir, perhaps try upgrading to breezy if you feel up to it
[02:00] <cafuego> !tell agora -about ubotu
[02:00] <disasm> arbir: what about /etc/init.d/networking stop; rmmod <wireless_module>; insmod <wireless module>; /etc/init.d/networking start
[02:01] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about themes
[02:01] <arbir> no no tritium.. i just want the driver
[02:01] <utnubu> Question: Which partition should be bootable?
[02:01] <mcphail> utnubu: a modern machine will rarely use swap. Put it anywhere
[02:01] <arbir> disasm, hold on i dont knwo my wireless_module
[02:01] <cafuego> mcphail: A modern machine will use swap as soon as an app has been idle for about half an hour.
[02:01] <disasm> arbir: lsmod
[02:01] <agora> Who know the quick and easy on installinf gnomebaker
[02:01] <funkyHat> ubotu, agora doesn't smoke crack
[02:01] <ubotu> funkyHat: What?
[02:01] <mcphail> utnubu: i don't think you have to make any one bootable, but if in doubt use /dev/hda1
[02:02] <arbir> hold   on disasm let me try that
[02:02] <funkyHat> ubotu, agora is someone who doesn't smoke crack
[02:02] <ubotu> okay, funkyHat
[02:02] <funkyHat> ;)
[02:02] <astro87> Hello, I want to change my DNS IP from the default (my router) to the ISP's IPs. I edited this in the network settings and in /etc/resolv.conf, and it still defaults back to router IP at reboot - please can anyone tell me how to make the IP change permanent?
[02:02] <cafuego> sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[02:02] <tritium> arbir, yes, search the forums.   A few people have updated their driver for ipw2200 on hoary
[02:02] <agora> i tried apt-get install and it just gives me error messages
[02:02] <utnubu> Thank You! Bootable partition must be specified. "No primary partitions are bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this."
[02:02] <tritium> agora, did you apt-get update first?
[02:02] <agora> no
[02:02] <arbir> tritium i see this ipw2200
[02:02] <arbir> letme try that
[02:02] <agora> trying
[02:02] <thrush_2> ahh quitting time. bye all
[02:03] <theeil> how do i extract from a mutly-part rar (.r00, r01, r02, etc..)?
[02:03] <atila> anyone can help me about how to uninstall a driver I installed using modprobe ? please ?
[02:03] <jknife> back
[02:03] <cafuego> agora: Paste the exact errors on paste.ubunutlinux.nl if you want to give us USEFUL info.
[02:03] <astro87> just open .r00
[02:03] <utnubu> Question: [From Live CD]  How to mount newly created partition /dev/hda2
[02:03] <tritium> atila, modprobe -r
[02:03] <mcphail> utnubu: now type sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hda2 to format it
[02:03] <cafuego> utnubu: sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /target
[02:04] <atila> tritium : ty; but it still is there . . . any change to find what I have to modprobe -r ......... (the name I have to write here) ?
[02:04] <tritium> atila, you need to specify the module name, of course
[02:04] <atila> tritium : :-) and how to find the module names installed ?
[02:05] <professor_chaos> I need help with a script /etc/init.d/script linked from "/etc/rc2.d/S90script -> ../init.d/script" not executing at boot. It executes fine by /etc/rc2.d/script
[02:05] <tritium> atila, if you modprobed it, you'd have specified the module name
[02:05] <Paradoxx> ok, this is gettin annoying now.. firefox keeps randomely closing >.<
[02:05] <arbir> disasm i dont see the module
[02:05] <tritium> atila, lsmod lists the loaded module
[02:05] <cafuego> Paradoxx: after you installed flash?
[02:05] <johndarkhorse> theeil: you need "unrar.nonfree" isntalled, and then file-roller or ark will open the *.rar or the *.part1.rar
[02:05] <Paradoxx> well, i think so
[02:05] <cafuego> Paradoxx: Yeah, flash does that. it _is_ rather shit software.
[02:06] <arbir> disasm, it says insmod cant read ipw2200: No such file or dir
[02:06] <atila> tritium : it was ov511 and I did modprobe -r ov511 but is still there when I dmesg. I am trying lsmod :-)
[02:06] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, if you create your own startup script, for example /etc/init.d/script, after you chmod 755 it, add it to the boot process using "update-rc.d script defaults"
[02:06] <Paradoxx> its been doing that a while, but it could b after flash....
[02:06] <Paradoxx> so uninstall the flash?
[02:06] <arbir> where is that module located
[02:06] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, you shouldn't be making the symlinks or anything outside of /etc/init.d.  That is what update-rc.d is for.
[02:06] <Paradoxx> and that should fix the problem?
[02:07] <agora> cafuego i have the error copied where do i access paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:07] <arbir> is now going to seach forums
[02:07] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, I did that, and update-rc.d made links to all runlevels. It still doesn't execute.
[02:07] <atila> tritium : lsmod does not show it; but dmesg still shows I have more installed ... ?
[02:07] <agora> cafuego is it a url on the web
[02:07] <Madpilot> agora: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:07] <tritium> atila, if lsmod doesn't show it, it's not loaded
[02:08] <agora> Madpilot thanks one moment
[02:08] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, my script makes a call for hostname. hostn=`hostname`. Is that a problem?
[02:08] <tritium> atila, make sure you're seeing the whole list.  You may need to pipe into less, i.e. lsmod | less
[02:08] <Paradoxx> cafuego: so what do you do about flash sites?
[02:09] <cafuego> Paradoxx: avoid like the plague
[02:09] <cafuego> Paradoxx: Just in case, i use the firefox extension that blocks flash.
[02:10] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 2005-09-03 22:16 /etc/rc2.d/S90msi -> ../init.d/msi
[02:10] <atila> tritium : ty it is not there :-) but to be more specific I have : "drivers/usb/media/ov511.c: USB OV518 video device found" when I try dmesg :-(
[02:10] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, -rwxrwxrwx  1 danc bti 149 2005-09-03 22:17 /etc/init.d/msi
[02:10] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, Do you see any problems?
[02:10] <tritium> atila, that doesn't mean it's loaded
[02:10] <Paradoxx> whats its name?
[02:10] <Paradoxx> if you remember
[02:11] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, not there.  How do you start it with /etc/init.d?  Something like /etc/init.d/msi start?
[02:11] <bimberi> astro87: set up resolv.conf the way you want, then "sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf" (makes it immutable)
[02:11] <atila> tritium : ty :-)
[02:11] <atila> tritium : can I then delete the directories ?
[02:11] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, or is it just a script, ie. no start/stop/restart, etc.
[02:11] <bimberi> astro87: btw, "-i" removes the attribute
[02:11] <nickrud> professor_chaos, I'd chown to root
[02:11] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, Yes, it's just a script
[02:11] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, ok I'll try that
[02:12] <mcphail> professor_chaos: what does your script do?
[02:12] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, you don't necessarily have to have start/stop/etc
[02:12] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, It just starts a program with an option of "hostname"
[02:12] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, can you execute it via /etc/rc2.d/S90msi
[02:13] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, Yes, I can, and thats what is so confusing
[02:13] <astro87> bimberi: if the file is immutable, it won't be updated?
[02:13] <agora> Madpilot I got intercepted and sent to Blackbird authentication page  - what do I do to get around that
[02:13] <mcphail> professor_chaos: Would it be simpler to run it as a cron job @reboot? Does it have to run at a certain runlevel?
[02:13] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, also, I think if you use update-rc.d msi defaults, it will add it as S99 instead of S90, so something might be < S99 that needs to start first
[02:13] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, It just has to start at boot.
[02:13] <bimberi> astro87: that's the theory, i've not done it myself, but worth a try :)
[02:14] <astro87> bimberi: thanks, I'll give it a go :)
[02:14] <Sir_Brizz> how do I configure ftp so that when a user logs in they are restricted to a certain directory?
[02:14] <bimberi> astro87: i tested it myself by trying to "sudo vi" the file and it wouldn't save, so looks promising :)
[02:14] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, Yea, I thought about that. I think I will change ownership and change it to S99.
[02:14] <mcphail> professor_chaos: set a cron job, then.
[02:14] <cafuego> well well
[02:14] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, how do you know it is not starting?  Try adding an echo statement like "LOOK HERE!!! I'M STARTING!!!" so you can see what it is doing.
[02:15] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, I check the current processes and its not listed??
[02:15] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, I'll try and echo statement just to see what happens
[02:16] <Sir_Brizz> no i don't have one
[02:16] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, thanks for your help. I unfortunately have to reboot to test if it works?
[02:16] <codenut> where do you add the echo statement?
[02:16] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, or can I just switch runlevels and then switch back to test?
[02:17] <Madpilot> agora: you got sent where? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/  - add your paste into the big textarea in the center...
[02:17] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, maybe you could try init 1 and then init 2 or something, but I've never tried that.
[02:17] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, I've done what you are trying to do many times though, and you're doing it correctly
[02:17] <nickrud> professor_chaos, lakcaj that will work if there's a stop stanza, otherwise not
[02:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a good channel for theming discussuin?
[02:18] <codenut> i heard init 1 is dangerous
[02:18] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, Thanks I'll keep trying
[02:18] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, I always make /etc/init.d/local and add it with update-rc.d
[02:18] <lakcaj> ok
[02:18] <agora> Madpilot http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl  got redirected to Blackbird authentication page  it looks bogus
[02:18] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, but then it add links to all runlevels? Can I just add to a certain runlevel?
[02:19] <Bateau_> hey! any know how i reload a script in X-chat?
[02:19] <lakcaj> professor_chaos, debian/ubuntu really don't use multiple run levels.
[02:19] <nickrud> codenut, not dangerous at all, it just shuts down most things, and runs only as a single user. Being in that runlevel lets you fix a lot of things.
[02:19] <crimsun> "properly?"
[02:19] <agora> Madpilot  Here is part of the error  Building dependency tree... Done   -Package gnomebaker is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another sourc
[02:19] <mcphail> as in "the traditional sense"
[02:20] <codenut> ok it spooked me when some one told me to stay away fron init 1
[02:20] <Madpilot> agora: I have no idea what that blackbird thing means, the paste site works for me (ask google about pastebins, there are dozens around, if the Ubuntu one doesn't work for you...)
[02:20] <agora> Madpilot   next line  E: Package gnomebaker has no installation candidate
[02:20] <professor_chaos> Are runlevels 2-5 for three additional users?
[02:20] <nickrud> if you mean, runlevel 3 is something, and 5 is another, no.
[02:20] <crimsun> I'd like to think Debian (and thus Ubuntu) do the "sane thing" by not mucking with runlevels
[02:21] <professor_chaos> Or three custom levels?
[02:21] <nickrud> I'll muck with my runlevels, myself, thank you.
[02:21] <mcphail> crimsun: i quite agree. Hence why I think that a cron job would be satisfactory for his task
[02:21] <Madpilot> !tell agora about repos
[02:21] <lakcaj>  0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot
[02:21] <utnubu> Thank You! root@ubuntu:/ # sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hda2
[02:21] <lakcaj> 2,3,4,5 are basically all the same
[02:21] <professor_chaos> mcphail, Can you cron job something just at boot?
[02:22] <mcphail> yes
[02:22] <nickrud> lakcaj, identical, actually :)
[02:22] <agora> Madpilot  I have had some bad luck today.  Even my registration would not let go here.  I had to login as a new user I created then re-register just to get here
[02:22] <mcphail> use @reboot for time
[02:22] <utnubu> Question: [From the Live CD]  How to mount the newly formatted partition and download the Install CD to there?
[02:22] <codenut> ah..... it was runlevel 0 i was warned against in rc.local once.
[02:22] <professor_chaos> mcphail, cool, I didn't know I could do that?
[02:22] <lakcaj> codenut, or even 6, that would be bad
[02:22] <mcphail> professor_chaos: it is "non-standard"
[02:22] <agora> Madpilot did you see my error -  couple of lines up
[02:23] <disasm> oops, ya know you have way too many terminals open when you accidentally shut down your server and your trying to shutdown a desktop you finished working on ;-)
[02:23] <crimsun> professor_chaos: yeah, an initscript would be a bit overkill for that task.
[02:23] <Madpilot> agora: the E: package <whatever> thing usually means you don't have the Universe/Multiverse repos enabled. see the URL that ubotu sent you a minute ago
[02:24] <professor_chaos> crimsun, so a cron job is the right kill for the job.
[02:24] <professor_chaos> crimsun, I thought the initscripts were for just what I was doing?
[02:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does Ubuntu run a VNC server by default?
[02:25] <mcphail> professor_chaos: init scripts are really for things which should start/stop at certain runlevels
[02:25] <utnubu> Question: How to mount a newly formatted partition on /dev/hda2 ?
[02:25] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, mcphail crabstic Thanks for all your help/suggestions.
[02:25] <professor_chaos> lakcaj, mcphail crimsun  Thanks for all your help/suggestions.
[02:26] <lakcaj> np, hope you get it working ok
[02:26] <mcphail> np
[02:26] <QMario> Does any here think I am a religious fanatic?
[02:26] <utnubu> mcphail: How do I mount the new harddrive partition made by sudo?
[02:27] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: yes it's called vino-server, which allows you to share your desktop (Sys -> Pref -> Remote Desktop)
[02:27] <Madpilot> QMario: why, are you? ;)
[02:27] <QMario> No, but ask in #Perl.
[02:27] <mcphail> utnubu: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /where/you/want/it/mounted
[02:27] <QMario> Madpilot, I think that is what they call me there.
[02:28] <utnubu> mcphail: [From the Live CD]  where do I want it /dev/hda mounted? root?
[02:28] <mcphail> utnubu: if /mnt exists, put it there
[02:29] <utnubu> root@ubuntu:/ # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /mnt
[02:29] <utnubu> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[02:29] <utnubu>        missing codepage or other error
[02:29] <utnubu>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:29] <utnubu>        dmesg | tail  or so
[02:29] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: the package is called "vino" btw (vino-server is the executable) :)
[02:29] <Madpilot> QMario: I get in enough trouble here without hanging out in programming channels ;)
[02:29] <nickrud> QMario, I haven't hung out there, but, if they're like the other perlista's I've met, you must use python :0
[02:29] <mcphail> utnubu: sorry, /dev/hda2
[02:30] <utnubu> mcphail: Thank You!  root$ mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[02:30] <mcphail> if it has worked, you should find "lost+found" in /mnt
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to reset alsa mixer settings?
[02:30] <QMario> Nickrud and Madpilot. Why are those people in the programming channels mean?
[02:30] <utnubu> Question: Is setting the Firefox dl dir ezer than that? heh
[02:30] <bimberi> Carpe_Libertatem: oh, and it isn't running by default, you have to enable it
[02:30] <mcphail> ;)
[02:31] <fluvvell> I have a Celeron 2.8G box running 5.04 that wont reboot (without press of reset button) but will shutdown.  Can anyone point me in the direction of what to adjust?
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun , you're a pretty smart guy.  maybe you can help me where others could not.  i did an apt-get upgrade today, and now my sound isn't working on my ich5 Realtek ALC650F chipset.
[02:31] <Madpilot> QMario: no idea, I do HTML/CSS/PHP, but haven't inflicted actual coding on myself yet...
[02:31] <nickrud> QMario, they're not mean, they're just tired of answering the same questions. Catch those kinda guys on a different day, get a different answer.
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun if i record from output, the recording works fine.  the bars go up an down in xmms.  i just don't hear any sound suddenly.
[02:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> QMario do you believe in god?
[02:32] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: paste your amixer output onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[02:32] <QMario> BROKEN_LADDER, yes I believe in God.
[02:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> then you are a religious fanatic
[02:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[02:32] <utnubu> Question: Can the following procedure be built into a web applet? 1. download livecd, reboot from there 2. destroy and rewrite the mbr 3. create, format, mount new partitions 4. download and burn install cd 5. reboot and install ubuntu
[02:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm a little biased cause i'm a militant atheist however.
[02:33] <QMario> Nickrud, you were there?
[02:33] <QMario> Militant?
[02:33] <mcphail> utnubu: most people don't have to destroy the MBR.
[02:33] <nickrud> QMario, I was very militant, just irc didn't exist then :)
[02:33] <dabaR> nickrud: so it worked for that bateau guy, it seems from the text...
[02:33] <QMario> Why am I a religious fanatic for just believing in God?
[02:33] <dabaR> just forget it...
[02:34] <fluvvell> BROKEN_LADDER: is atheism not just another religion anyway ;-)
[02:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1905 <-- crimsun
[02:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[02:34] <QMario> Fluvvell, it is.
[02:34] <QMario> Athiest believe that God doesn't exist.
[02:34] <QMario> A religion is a belief.
[02:34] <utnubu> mcphail: the application is hostile takeover with minimal resources of any operating system to ubuntu.
[02:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> atheism is a scientific position based upon the extreme improbability that an all-powerful being, were it to exist, have algorithms consistent with what we call "intelligence", out of all possible algorithmic systems.
[02:35] <nickrud> dabaR, seems so
[02:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it helps if you unmute Master and PCM.
[02:35] <_lui_> hello hello
[02:35] <dabaR> QMario: this is totally off topic, and you are talking like...stereotypes, so please stop.
[02:35] <utnubu> mcphail: I am about to takeover with only the live cd
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i did.  it makes no difference.  and usually it works with them muted.
[02:35] <QMario> DabaR, okay. You are right.
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> in fact i think that's the only way it works
[02:35] <_lui_> the breezy is about to come stable in this month?
[02:35] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you may also have an ac97 codec that requires you to unmute External Amplifier.
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> religion isn't just beliefe.
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not a religion to think light comes from the sun.
[02:35] <utnubu>  /mute *religion*
[02:35] <QMario> When I just mentioned Jesus, the whole channel is #Perl was shaking.
[02:35] <nickrud> utnubu, rflol\
[02:35] <crimsun> btw, #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks
[02:35] <mcphail> utnubu: good luck!
[02:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun right, i've done all of that.  tried every combo.
[02:36] <Parisi> Religion can be good if used wisely.
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun bear in mind, the settings i had worked fine.  this stopped working when i did an apt-get upgrade
[02:36] <fluvvell> Back to Ubuntu, can anyone help me with a reboot issue?
[02:36] <dabaR> crimsun: so, cause they are off, they are muted? on that pastebin?
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't agree
[02:36] <Parisi> But its off topic like somebody just mentioned.
[02:36] <crimsun> dabaR: yes
[02:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> to believe that which is not true tends to lead to harm to society.
[02:36] <_lui_> question: the breezy is about to come stable in this month?
[02:36] <utnubu> mcphail nickrud : I want a link on my website that forcefully installs ubuntu when clicked without use intervention.
[02:36] <crimsun> _lui_: october
[02:37] <anomaly> go to ubuntu-offtopic with this if you like
[02:37] <disasm> BROKEN_LADDER: and how can you prove its not true?
[02:37] <Madpilot> utnubu: that's insane...
[02:37] <dabaR> nice, I thought it was the zero...if its unmuted.
[02:37] <Parisi> You dont know what its truth either, so you are not really entitled to say that are you?
[02:37] <_lui_> crimsun, ok, thanks
[02:37] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: I presume you're using analog and not spdif?
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> not
[02:37] <Parisi> I cant prove that Jesus didnt exist either, or can you? :p
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> spdif
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> digital
[02:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> optical
[02:37] <agora> ubotu  give me that again on Universe/Multiverse repos
[02:37] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, agora
[02:37] <Madpilot> !tell agora about repos
[02:37] <nickrud> utnubu, I saw your spec, it would be usable. I'd file a general bug in malone, maybe a guru can put it together. If not, it will be bug to be proud of.
[02:37] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: oh in that case you can disregard my earlier comments
[02:37] <Madpilot> !tell agora about ubotu
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> disasm the probability that an all-powerful being would be intelligent, out of all potential arrangements it could have, is exceedingly low.
[02:38] <agora> How did he answer so fast
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun ??
[02:38] <Parisi> lol
[02:38] <Madpilot> agora: ubotu is a bot - see the 2nd thing it just sent you...
[02:38] <agora> I didn't even finish typing before he answered
[02:38] <dabaR> he can read minds...
[02:38] <Parisi> lol
[02:38] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: those comments only apply to analog, not spdif
[02:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> gotcha
[02:39] <disasm> this is getting pretty off-topic though, if someone wants to continue this convo we can switch channels
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i remember times in the past when i had to fiddle with my settings, and it would only work when i muted something..i don't remember what.
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> #atheism
[02:39] <utnubu> nickrud: specific situation is <crappypc> broken boot.ini, trouble booting cdrom, luckily in Ubuntu Live CD, not enough memory to download Install CD, corrupt mbr, corrupt partition table, need to reformat hd = takeover from web applet
[02:39] <dabaR> ow about that beaver in south park/hippo?
[02:39] <dabaR> h
[02:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you may need to unmute 'Analog to IEC958 Output' and 'IEC958 Input Monitor'
[02:39] <QMario> Agora, it is a small world.
[02:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have to mute analag to iec958
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> otherwise it won't work
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> input monitor should be muted as well
[02:40] <crimsun> ugh, I thought we fixed that
[02:40] <Xappe> utnubu: download cd --> burn --> boot cd --> install/partition/write new mbr
[02:40] <agora> Madpilot  I am having difficilties keeping up -  looked way back but don't see it
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> wait crimsun !
[02:40] <QMario> Ubotu, tell agora about ubotu.
[02:40] <nickrud> utnubu, I was watching. And I admire your persistence, probably induced by your desperation :)
[02:41] <johndarkhorse> utnubu: install "smartmontools" using synaptic
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun when i mute (deselect) "..to analag" i hear a soft "pop" in my speakers.  that means _something_ is happening
[02:41] <fluvvell> ubotu: reboot
[02:41] <ubotu> fluvvell: Wish i knew
[02:41] <utnubu> Thank You!
[02:41] <fluvvell> ubotu: ubuntu shuts down but wont reboot
[02:41] <ubotu> fluvvell: Are you smoking crack?
[02:41] <Will^Draven> lol
[02:41] <Madpilot> agora: ubotu should have sent you private messages about repos & itself, that's what I told it to do...
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun could this be some sort of driver related thing.  something lower level?
[02:41] <fluvvell> ubotu: about the shutdown function
[02:41] <ubotu> fluvvell: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:42] <utnubu> Next Question: How to make a bootable partition and copy the install iso and reboot from it? (run install cd without burning)
[02:42] <agora> Madpilot  I cleared my cookies cache and history and got rid of Blackbird  now I am on the paste site.  It was a butt head redirect by some smart ass programer
[02:42] <dabaR> !msg the bot
[02:42] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: it could, but it should be fine in breezy, which has the latest stable
[02:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please.
[02:42] <Webby`> Can someone help me get sound in my HP a1020n computer with Hoary? I have a Realtek alc 880 sound card and I get no sound in Hoary
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun ack..how long til breezy?
[02:42] <Madpilot> agora: are you still using Windows? (and, Dog help you, IE?)
[02:42] <QMario> Ubotu, tell Fluvvell about ubotu.
[02:42] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: about a month...
[02:42] <disasm> utnubu: can you change your nick, the mis-completions to ubotu are funny but slightly annoying to follow ;-)
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun how could this have happened just by my doing an apt-get upgrade?
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i upgrade to breezy now, how bad would it muck up my shizl?
[02:42] <agora> Madpilot  I have a windows machine next to me
[02:42] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: breezy will release next month
[02:43] <utnubu> disasm: this is my first time it is ubuntu.reverse() so yes
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> music is my life
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have to go without it for a month? :(
[02:43] <Webby`> Help!
[02:43] <Webby`> Can someone help me get sound in my HP a1020n computer with Hoary? I have a Realtek alc 880 sound card and I get no sound in Hoary
[02:43] <bipolar> is there an ubuntu network install?
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to listen to coldplay on repeat  with the volume on 10
[02:43] <agora> Madpilot  it is networked with this  ubuntou 5.0.4 mackine
[02:43] <fluvvell> thanks QMario I'd forgotten, but ubotu is playing dumb on me anyway
[02:43] <bipolar> via floppy?
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> bipolar i believe it primarily does install over the network.
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> bipolar the install cd gets tons of stuff off the network right?
[02:44] <bipolar> got a really old laptop with a broken CD drive.
[02:44] <disasm> Answer: thankyou ;-)
[02:44] <agora> Madpilot that was ubuntu 5.0.4 machine
[02:44] <bipolar> pent 133
[02:44] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: which virtual device are you using?
[02:44] <Madpilot> agora: huh. never run into that sort of redirect/hijacking crap outside of IE...
[02:44] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: (breezy releases in october)
[02:44] !lilo:*! Miscellaneous "about" channels: ##australia is on the net for freenode users around Australia.... ##xen is available for users of Xen ( http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ ).... it's a new channel and can use folks to spend time on the channel and talk about their Xen uses and problems
[02:44] <QMario> Bipolar, floppy?
[02:44] <bipolar> QMario, yep
[02:45] <Madpilot> what's a floppy? ;)
[02:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> virtual device?
[02:45] !lilo:*! (Well, ##xen is not a *new* channel now that I think of it, but is definitely still in development)
[02:45] <crimsun> Webby`: open a Terminal, type amixer, and paste its output onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:45] <Will^Draven> ...
[02:45] <bipolar> I guess I could do a debain sarge floppy install and upgrade to ubuntu.
[02:45] <Answer> Question:  How to make a bootable partition and copy the Install CD ISO there?
[02:45] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: hw:0,0, "default", "plug:iec958", etc.
[02:45] <agora> Madpilot I got rid of it wow  I been going crazy getting my linux bosx going
[02:45] <QMario> 5.25" floppy , yes!!! ;)
[02:46] <Webby`> crimsun: This is the output of amixer: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1907
[02:46] <crimsun> bipolar: can your machine netboot PXE?
[02:46] <disasm> bipolar: what about usb thumb drive? that would be less painful than floppy
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> floppy is obsolete completely
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> do they even put floppy drives in new computers?
[02:46] <bipolar> crimsun, disasm, no on both counts
[02:46] <Answer> Xappe mcphail nickrud Question: How to boot from the Install CD .iso ?
[02:46] <u_int32_t> hey how can i rebuild my ubuntu kernel
[02:46] <Madpilot> bipolar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies
[02:46] <disasm> BROKEN_LADDER: sometimes
[02:46] <bipolar> Madpilot, thank you
[02:46] <Answer> Xappe mcphail nickrud Question: How to boot from the Install CD .iso without burning?
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> u_int32_t you don't build your own kernel dude. just install one
[02:46] <agora> Madpilot the burner worked great under windows just before I wiped an put ubuntu a couple days ago
[02:46] <crimsun> Webby`: u_int32_t same way you would on another distro.
[02:47] <crimsun> Webby`: sorry
[02:47] <Answer> Question: How to make a partition, copy the Install cd iso, and boot from there?
[02:47] <Xappe> Answer: you have to burn it to a cd
[02:47] <dabaR> crimsun: is it legal to post monitor refresh rates on the ubuntu wiki, like the fixresolution page?
[02:47] <u_int32_t> BROKEN_LADDER but i need one with himem support
[02:47] <Answer> Xappe: Why is it not possible to make a partition the correct size, copy the raw iso data there, and make it bootable?
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i haven't seen a 5.25 inch floppy drive in a decade at least.
[02:48] <juanej> what app do u ppl use to view pictures? i dont like image viewer
[02:48] <bipolar> ok, guys. Thanks. I'm off to the LAN party.
[02:48] <Madpilot> agora: right, forgot that you're trying to fix your burner - meh... mine "just worked", sorry...
[02:48] <u_int32_t> crimsun can i get the current kernels .config file somehow
[02:48] <QMario> What does "meh" mean?
[02:48] <nickrud> !netinstall
[02:48] <ubotu> nickrud: Syntax error in line 1
[02:48] <crimsun> u_int32_t: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[02:48] <QMario> !meh
[02:48] <ubotu> QMario: Syntax error in line 1
[02:48] <agora> Madpilot now it read great icon comes up on the desktop with the insertion of a blank.  I put files on it then hit go and it creats an image then hangs up as soon as it starts to burn
[02:48] <Xappe> Answer: maybe it's possible, but it's not worth the trouble? you have a cd-rw drive right? use it...
[02:48] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: 5.25" floppies - the forgotten reason why Windows machines have no B drive...
[02:48] <vader1102> I see them all of the time, I volunteer @ a not for proffit
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> u_int32_t you can install modules if you can find that one.  you install it with package management generally.  i think compiling it would be risky.
[02:48] <crimsun> dabaR: certainly
[02:48] <crimsun> Webby`: what sort of laptop is it?
[02:48] <dabaR> that could be good, or links.
[02:49] <crimsun> Webby`: (if it's a laptop)
[02:49] <QMario> Does Ubuntu support 5.25" floppy drives?
[02:49] <agora> Madpilot missing line.  burner worked under windows
[02:49] <Webby`> crimsun: It's a desktop HP a1020n
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun would you bet that my sound problem is config related, or driver/kernel related?
[02:49] <agora> Madpilot loaded ubuntu couple days ago
[02:49] <Madpilot> agora: sorry - have you checked the Ubuntu Forums?
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun especially considering that xmms's eq bar dances away?
[02:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: config
[02:50] <crimsun> Webby`: new or old?
[02:50] <Webby`> crimsun: It's new
[02:50] <crimsun> Webby`: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[02:50] <Answer> Question: Without a cd burner, how to make a bootable partition containing the Install CD .iso?
[02:50] <Webby`> crimsun: I get this: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:50] <Madpilot> agora: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:51] <crimsun> Webby`: use the snd-azx driver in the following instructions.
[02:51] <iJeffChat> trying ubuntu on Qemu
[02:51] <crimsun> !tell Webby` about alsa-source
[02:51] <agora> Madpilot been there but I am bogged down and have not exausted that reasource.  I probably need to.  typing is wearing me out
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun is there any way to set alsa back to "factory defaults"?
[02:52] <Madpilot> agora: take a break. have a beer. the computer is unlikely to run away, and somebody's probably got your problem sorted, somewhere!
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun my laser "red light" activity indicator is now on again. ...hmm
[02:52] <agora> Madpilot I will check you later I going to the forums and sites etc... cgaryc@sprintpcs.com
[02:53] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state is the state file stored to on shutdown and read from on bootup
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> any of you guys have a SIP phone?
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun right, but i probably need to reset it somehow
[02:53] <Webby`> crimsun: How do I use the snd-azx driver? I don't understand
[02:53] <dabaR> Webby`: did you get a message from the bot?
[02:53] <crimsun> Webby`: you'll be compiling the azx driver.
[02:53] <nickrud> Answer, I don't know for sure, but you may be able to adapt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromKnoppix for your situation
[02:53] <QMario> Really, I am serious. Does Ubuntu support 5.25"FDs?
[02:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ubuntu is really fickle about mounting my iPod.
[02:53] <Webby`> dabar: yes
[02:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tell me about ipod
[02:54] <crimsun> Webby`: in the step where it asks you to select a driver, select the azx one.
[02:54] <nickrud> QMario, yes, it does
[02:54] <QMario> Nickrud, do you own one?
[02:54] <dabaR> so, read it, and tell us if you need an explanation, and make sure you try something.
[02:54] <QMario> !ipod
[02:54] <ubotu> well, ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[02:54] <nickrud> QMario, not any more, but I did
[02:54] <transparentdream> How do I change my resolutino? ATI driver wont let me
[02:54] <Madpilot> !fixres
[02:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:54] <Webby`> crimsun: I get an error a big error
[02:54] <Mr-Falkor> My fonts feels like blur !
[02:55] <nickrud> under debian, and I don't think things have strayed that far ;)
[02:55] <Mr-Falkor> How can I remove my blury fonts ? (running xfce)
[02:55] <Madpilot> back later, real world getting in the way...
[02:55] <transparentdream> Not right
[02:55] <transparentdream> My resolution is too high
[02:55] <transparentdream> not too low
[02:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-unload && sudo rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[02:55] <thellama> would any of you recommend installing xmms?
[02:56] <Mr-Falkor> thellama, yes
[02:56] <thellama> Mr-Falkor: why?
[02:56] <nickrud> thellama, sure, it's nice
[02:56] <Mr-Falkor> thellama, its nice, fast and nice
[02:56] <Mr-Falkor> and easy to use
[02:56] <DeusMortis> Can anyone help me out with some Gnome Meeting issues?
[02:56] <nickrud> and pretty well tested
[02:56] <Mr-Falkor> yepp
[02:57] <dabaR> someone could likely help you with some issue.
[02:57] <thellama> would it be better to just use rthymbox?
[02:57] <Mr-Falkor> thellama, nope
[02:57] <thellama> why?
[02:57] <thellama> to much bloat?
[02:57] <nickrud> thellama, now, that's a matter of taste, and rhythmbox suits my tast :)
[02:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there any reason why sometimes my iPod will be picked-up, other times not?
[02:57] <Madpilot> thellama: if you're playing whole albums, try Muine
[02:57] <thellama> since im pretty used to itunes
[02:57] <thellama> okay
[02:57] <Mr-Falkor> thellama, stop trolling !;)
[02:57] <thellama> huh! ;)
[02:58] <transparentdream> After installing the fglrx ATI driver, I can ot change my screen resolution. Please Help!
[02:58] <Madpilot> thellama: for everything else, Totem + codecs/etc...
[02:58] <thellama> thanks
[02:58] <Madpilot> !start a media player war
[02:58] <ubotu> Madpilot: Wish i knew
[02:58] <DeusMortis> Allright, as dabaR seems to wish me to be 100% pointed and blunt:
[02:58] <DeusMortis> Is there anyone here, in this #Ubuntu chanel who would be willing to help me with some Gnome Meeting issues?
[02:58] <Webby`> crimsun: where do I paste my error?
[02:58] <popey> DeusMortis: what issues?
[02:59] <crimsun> Webby`: you should not get any errors. Follow the directions.
[02:59] <transparentdream> After installing the fglrx ATI driver, I can ot change my screen resolution. Please Help!
[02:59] <dabaR> I would be willing, Im not sure I know what you need to fix, tho.
[03:00] <Webby`> crimsun: I get this error  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1908
[03:00] <thellama> so basically (in breezy): cd player is for playing cds, rythmbox is for managing and keeping a "library", serpentine is for burning cds, sound juicer is for ripping cds, and xmms is for playing individual songs
[03:00] <skreet> Anyone having a problem apt-get installing libdvdcss2?
[03:00] <DeusMortis> popey: Every time I start GM, within a few seconds it will crash - I submitted a bug report once already, but it seems there was no debugging information built into the Ubuntu GnomeMeeting package - therefore, I have to add "pwlib-debug, openh323-debug and gnomemeeting-debug" so that the devel I talked to can help.
[03:01] <transparentdream> After installing the fglrx ATI driver, I can not change my screen resolution, it's stuck at 1152x768 and I need it to be at 1024x768. How can I change it. Please Help!
[03:01] <DeusMortis> dabaR: Thanks - any help will be appreciated
[03:01] <thellama> itunes does all that ;)
[03:01] <crimsun> Webby`: it compiles fine with hoary's linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:01] <iJeffChat> love the ubuntu UI!
[03:01] <thellama> me to!
[03:01] <iJeffChat> Using Qemu until my discs arrive :)
[03:01] <nickrud> thellama, yup, pretty much so. except, you may want to exchange beep-media-player for xmms
[03:01] <crimsun> Webby`: gcc -v
[03:01] <skreet> transparentdream, The Modes section of xorg.conf will have that option, set it to only allow up to 1024x768.
[03:02] <thellama> nickrud: beep media player?
[03:02] <agora> ubotu where is gnomebaker
[03:02] <ubotu> agora: what are you talking about?
[03:02] <dabaR> DeusMortis: have you at least nuked the config folder?
[03:02] <dabaR> brb
[03:02] <transparentdream> How
[03:02] <transparentdream> ?
[03:02] <nickrud> thellama, the successor to xmms
[03:02] <thellama> ahh
[03:02] <agora> ubotu what repo has the package gnomebaker
[03:02] <ubotu> agora: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:02] <thedevilsjester> Ok, the file xf86vmode.h is supposed to be in the package xlibs-static-dev (According to packages.ubuntu.com), however synaptic doesnt list this as a file installed by that package, and it doesnt exist on my system, anyone know which package really installs this file?
[03:02] <skreet> "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source | E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate" -- Can anyone help me here?
[03:02] <nickrud> I keep xmms around to test for bad mp3's these days, mostly. If it won't play the file, somethings wrong.
[03:02] <vader1102> Question, I want to play MP3
[03:03] <popey> thedevilsjester: ooo, i have that file
[03:03] <Webby`> crimsun: I get this when I type gcc -v http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1909
[03:03] <vader1102> but totem won't
[03:03] <popey> thedevilsjester: i had to install *some* package..
[03:03] <agora> ubotu tell agora about gnomebaker
[03:03] <thellama> ah i see, but beep media player is nicer?
[03:03] <dabaR> vader1102: use ? heh!
[03:03] <thedevilsjester> popey, I need a bit more specific info then that :)
[03:03] <popey> heh
[03:03] <popey> looking
[03:03] <nickrud> newer, you judge nicer
[03:03] <mnssk> hi there
[03:03] <popey> libxxf86vm-dev
[03:03] <thellama> okay :)
[03:03] <vader1102> finger hit enter before I meant to lol
[03:03] <QMario> What does the term "too dense" mean?
[03:03] <mnssk> anyone up for some DELL INSPIRON 6000 X SETUP ?
[03:03] <popey> thedevilsjester: apt-cache search xf86   is how i found it
[03:04] <mnssk> trying since 4 days...20 hours a day
[03:04] <mnssk> could not fix it
[03:04] <thellama> what would I use mplayer/vlc for that I can't already?
[03:04] <mnssk> i desperately seek help
[03:04] <mnssk> hello !
[03:04] <thellama> HI!@
[03:04] <mnssk> thellama: that was for me?
[03:04] <crimsun> Webby`: paste all the output from the compile
[03:04] <Quinthius> is there any way to see a log of synaptic's activity (install/uninstalls) ?
[03:04] <dabaR> mnssk: hah...what are you doing?
[03:05] <mnssk> dabaR: hi...me still setting up the X in Dell inspiron
[03:05] <thellama> mnssk: sorta ;)
[03:05] <mnssk> thellama: can u help me with this ubuntu xorg.conf ?
[03:05] <dabaR> I am, mnssk, where are you from?
[03:05] <mnssk> dabaR: me from india..
[03:05] <Webby`> crimsun: Which compile? The ubotu complie?
[03:05] <mnssk> dabaR: right now studying in michigan
[03:05] <thellama> uh, sorry mnssk, im sorta a noob ;)
[03:05] <mnssk> dabaR: i got a new laptop recently, dell
[03:05] <mnssk> thellama: oh okay..thats fine
[03:06] <mnssk> dabaR: inspiron..dont see anyone installing x successfully on it
[03:06] <thedevilsjester> popey, Thank you.
[03:06] <dabaR> I got an iBook. so? ok, well, what graphics card, then?
[03:06] <popey> no probs
[03:06] <mnssk> dabaR: i got an intel 915GM graphics accelerator
[03:06] <mnssk> dabaR: bios version A O7
[03:06] <crimsun> Webby`: the output from the command that ubotu sent to you
[03:06] <Webby`> ok
[03:06] <h08817> how do i install java?
[03:06] <nickrud> !java
[03:06] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:06] <popey> mnssk: http://www.antoniocheca.com/wp/content-text/ubuntu-inspiron6000.html looks like a good start
[03:07] <mnssk> dabaR: okay..i had been trying since days..and the last advise i got was to try breezee
[03:07] <h08817> i have a problem with my java for when i am on a site it only displays certain things
[03:07] <mnssk> popey: okay let me see that.
[03:08] <Webby`> crimsun: Here it is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1911
[03:08] <thellama> what would I get from mplayer/vlc that I can't already get with any of the bundled ubuntu apps?
[03:08] <mnssk> popey: the site does not work..atleast w3m says so
[03:08] <popey> works for me
[03:08] <mnssk> popey: let me see..i have typed it by hand in other tty
[03:09] <mnssk> popey: so might have been a mistake
[03:09] <popey> i copy/pasted, so there wont be :)
[03:09] <popey> (from my end)
[03:09] <nickrud> thellama, the ability to play some video's that totem cannot, from what I hear. I also prefer the way mplayer and firefox interact when I have mozilla-mplayer installed.
[03:09] <mnssk> popey: yeah :)) let me type it again
[03:09] <crimsun> Webby`: it doesn't look like linux-headers-$(uname -r) are installed correctly
[03:10] <mnssk> popey: got it
[03:10] <hamourabi> hi i try to mark  the xmms in synaptic's to instal and he say logjam-xmms:
[03:10] <hamourabi>  Depends: libglib1.2 (>=1.2.0) but it is not installable
[03:10] <hamourabi>  Depends: libgtk1.2 (>=1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[03:10] <hamourabi>  Depends: xmms  but it is not installable
[03:10] <thellama> nickrud: thanks, I think I keep from installing it, I was just wondering since I used vlc on osx
[03:10] <crimsun> Webby`: also, you didn't select the correct driver using dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:10] <popey> I'd use beep-media-player instead of xmms, it's much nicer
[03:10] <Webby`> crimsun: How do i install it correctly?
[03:10] <dabaR> mnssk: what have you tried, and how did it work? how does it not work?
[03:10] <crimsun> Webby`: don't select "all" - select only "azx" or "intel high definition audio"
[03:10] <Webby`> ok
[03:10] <crimsun> Webby`: apt-get --reinstall install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:10] <mnssk> popey: i did not see this before..let me try..
[03:11] <popey> mnssk: that website is great for laptops
[03:11] <mnssk> popey: but the problem is that i have tried every god damn thing possible..
[03:11] <popey> mnssk: you clearly haven't :)
[03:11] <popey> mnssk: the *one* thing that works eludes you :)
[03:11] <mnssk> popey: yeah :) you are right
[03:11] <mnssk> popey: let me read this thing..i will get back to you
[03:11] <nickrud> thellama, I don't watch a lot of video on my pc (I prefer my tv) but mozilla-mplayer is worth looking at for streaming video.
[03:12] <disasm> crimsun: dont you need (`uname -r`)
[03:13] <crimsun> disasm: $() and `` are interchangeable here
[03:13] <Webby`> crimsun: I still get the same error
[03:13] <crimsun> Webby`: did you reconfigure alsa-source ?
[03:13] <Webby`> crimsun: yes
[03:13] <thellama> nickrud: would you recommend mplayer or vlc then?
[03:13] <crimsun> Webby`: and which driver did you select?
[03:14] <Webby`> azx
[03:14] <nickrud> thellama, I'd recommend both. They just take a bit of space on your disk, and don't conflict.
[03:14] <disasm> crimsun: ah ok
[03:14] <lakcaj> thellama, google for mediaplayerconnectivity
[03:15] <LaserLine> Hello all, I have a Skype/QT Question, with Gnome....
[03:15] <crimsun> Webby`: grep ^ALSA_CARDS /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf
[03:15] <thellama> nickrud: really? but then I'd to pick one for each video! ;)
[03:16] <lakcaj> thellama, http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/
[03:16] <LaserLine> How can I make Skype look better in Gnome ? I don't have KDE... and the fonts look HUGE.....
[03:16] <lakcaj> LaserLine, kcontrol
[03:16] <bimberi> LaserLine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ covers this (use kcontrol)
[03:16] <Webby`> crimsun: ALSA_CARDS="azx"
[03:16] <Xappe> LaserLine: qt3-qtconfig
[03:16] <nickrud> lakcaj, you've used that?
[03:16] <nickrud> duh :)
[03:17] <lakcaj> nickrud, the mediaplayerconnectivity extension?  Yes, it is awsome.
[03:18] <crimsun> Webby`: rm -rf /usr/src/modules
[03:18] <Webby`> crimsun: ok, I did it
[03:18] <hamourabi> hi i try to mark  the xmms in synaptic's to instal and he say logjam-xmms:
[03:18] <hamourabi>  Depends: xmms  but it is not installable
[03:18] <hamourabi>  Depends: libgtk1.2 (>=1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[03:18] <Webby`> crimsun: I mean that
[03:18] <hamourabi>  Depends: libglib1.2 (>=1.2.0) but it is not installable
[03:18] <factotum> anyone have issues with audio being out of sync with video when playing dvds?
[03:19] <thellama> lakcaj: so what exactly is it?
[03:19] <factotum> is it just totem or should I try another player?
[03:19] <thellama> vlc in nice...
[03:19] <crimsun> Webby`: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[03:19] <Madpilot> factotum: do you have DMA enabled on your DVD drive?
[03:19] <Webby`> crimsun: ok
[03:19] <lakcaj> thellama, any media streams just show up as a black window with a play button in the middle, and you can use whatever app you want to play them.  I can effortlessly switch between xine/mplayer/vlc to play all the embedded video.
[03:19] <benplaut> BZflag's lag is posatively horrible
[03:20] <LaserLine> How can I extract the ICON from Qt3-Qtconfig ??
[03:20] <benplaut> i'm on roadrunner, with about 3 seconds lag!?
[03:20] <nickrud> hamourabi, that's not reasonable; could you post your sources.list to paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[03:20] <fanopnaic> is vlc broken (random hangs) on several kinds of files for anybody else?
[03:20] <thellama> lakcaj: cool! is it just a firefox extension (i use opera)
[03:20] <factotum> Madpilot, yeah, I checked
[03:20] <lakcaj> thellama, sorry, I think it is FF only
[03:20] <CarlFK> breezy install on a compaq armada 1700 only gives my 640x480, but knoppix does 1024.  any clue what to tweek?
[03:21] <thellama> darn it
[03:21] <thellama> would have been nice...
[03:21] <LaserLine> Xappe How can I extract the QT3Config Icon ?
[03:21] <thellama> but thanks lakcaj :)
[03:21] <popey> CarlFK: have you tried using gtf to generate the modelines?
[03:21] <popey> CarlFK: gtf 1024 768 60
[03:21] <Xappe> LaserLine: extract the icon? what for?
[03:21] <[hxcl] > Hey there, how can i make or get the kernel config modules?
[03:21] <popey> CarlFK: for example
[03:22] <LaserLine> Xappe, I'd like an Icon in the System menu :D
[03:22] <CarlFK> popey - I'll give it a shot.  does the 60 part matter for a laptop LCD?
[03:22] <crimsun> Webby`: cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:22] <popey> CarlFK:  it's the refresh rate
[03:22] <nickrud> [hxcl] , the kernel config is in /boot/config-*
[03:22] <Xappe> LaserLine: I have no clue :)
[03:23] <nickrud> [hxcl] , config-`uname -r`, for the running kernel
[03:23] <CarlFK> popey - what do I do with the output?
[03:24] <popey> CarlFK: you need to backup then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, then restart x with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[03:24] <Webby`> crimsun: ok
[03:24] <popey> CarlFK: the entries produced go in a special place in that file
[03:25] <popey> CarlFK: you might get the idea by looking at the xorg.conf from my wifes pc.. http://popey.com/xorg.conf
[03:25] <dducko> Is there a master volume control in Ubuntu, other then the one Under Applications-Sound&Video?
[03:25] <popey> CarlFK: section down the bottom called "Modes", and a bit in the "Monitor" section saying to use that modes section
[03:25] <Webby`> crimsun: I did it. Now what?
[03:25] <popey> CarlFK: not sure if I am making sense, it's 2:30 am, I should sleep now
[03:26] <Webby`> crimsun: I didn't get any errors this time
[03:26] <crimsun> dducko: that is the master. All masters control the equivalent of the abstracted Master.
[03:26] <crimsun> Webby`: ls ../*.deb
[03:26] <Webby`> crimsun: I get this: ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[03:26] <nickrud> dducko, alsamixer from a command line in a terminal is the baseline; selecting the proper thing to control from gnome is the issue.
[03:26] <crimsun> Webby`: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:26] <CarlFK> popey - I am guessing the problem is "Generic Monitor"
[03:27] <dducko> Thanks. ... Do you know why my audio seems only half volume when it us fullblast
[03:27] <popey> CarlFK: not a problem as such
[03:27] <dducko> ahh Ill try that
[03:27] <CarlFK> well, the on;ly option is "DPMS"
[03:27] <crimsun> dducko: check your PCM slider
[03:27] <Webby`> crimsun: Ok
[03:27] <thellama> whats pcm?
[03:27] <Webby`> crimsun: I did that with no errors
[03:28] <crimsun> Webby`: good. Now sudo modprobe snd-azx
[03:28] <nickrud> it's http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/PCM.html, thellama
[03:28] <dducko> crimsum Just did that in alsamixer.. that was the problem.. thanks for the help guys
[03:28] <Webby`> crimsun: ok, done.
[03:28] <popey> CarlFK: I had an issue with my wifes pc, it didn't have the right settings for the screen, I went through what I explained with gtf, and it was all fixed
[03:28] <thellama> nickrud: thanks
[03:28] <crimsun> Webby`: now log out and back into gnome (you may have to unmute and turn up the Master and PCM volumes)
[03:29] <nickrud> thellama, ignore the last, I was lazy
[03:29] <Webby`> crimsun: ok
[03:29] <thellama> nickrud: oh no it's totally fine! :)
[03:30] <nickrud> yeah, I hate when I read right, wrong, then right again, sort of :)
[03:30] <thellama> heh
[03:30] <holycow> http://live.gnome.org/PowerUserTools  <-- guys, for the tweakers out there, check out this page
[03:31] <LaserLine> Xappe - Now, for some reason, it has grey background........
[03:31] <Xappe> LaserLine: then I guess you have to change the background color
[03:31] <thellama> is there a nice app that will rip/burn cds, keep a library etc like itunes? something integrated instead of having like five seperate apps?
[03:32] <Webby`> crimsun: I got my sound working! Thank you so much!
[03:33] <Madpilot> holycow: thanks, bookmarked!
[03:33] <holycow> no kidding, indeed
[03:35] <nickrud> thellama, there's not a single app for that; grip or sound-juicer for ripping, rhythmbox/muine for cataloging seem to be the current answers.
[03:35] <dabaR> excellent
[03:36] <Madpilot> nickrud & thellama: I have heard rumours that SoundJuicer will be getting audio-burning ability at some point
[03:36] <thellama> oo cant wait!
[03:36] <thellama> thanks for all your help guys
[03:36] <nickrud> Madpilot, I though serpentine was for sound (I haven't used it yet)
[03:36] <thellama> i really wish apple would release itunes for linux
[03:37] <thellama> that is one of few things i miss from osx
[03:37] <Madpilot> nickrud: in breezy, I think so. SJ doesn't do burning yet, but maybe for after-breezy releases...
[03:38] <mnssk> quit
[03:38] <mnssk> exit
[03:38] <nickrud> I really do wish I had the time to keep up with current developments. I learn more here nowadays than I do anywhere else.
[03:38] <kspath> After I had issues with playing songs bought on MacOSX on windows iTunes and vice-versa I did NOT like it anymore
[03:39] <h17m4n> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[03:39] <kspath> I will always buy the real CDs from the store or online and rip to mp3 and/or oggvobis from now on
[03:39] <h17m4n> apt-get install azureus isnt working for me
[03:39] <Madpilot> !repos
[03:39] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:39] <h17m4n> how do I install the tar bz2?
[03:39] <Madpilot> h17m4n: got repos? see above ^^^
[03:39] <h17m4n> yeah
[03:39] <h17m4n> I did that
[03:40] <nickrud> !find azureus
[03:40] <zcat[1] > kspath: rip to flac!
[03:40] <nickrud> heh
[03:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'azureus' (1 shown): (/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/azureus.xml) in text/ubuntu-docs.
[03:40] <thellama> !lottery
[03:40] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, thellama
[03:40] <Madpilot> h17m4n: if you install it thru Synaptic, you won't have to deal with tar.bz2 or whatever...
[03:40] <kspath> are you giving me flac over using oggvobis?
[03:40] <kspath> :-)
[03:40] <Madpilot> !info azureus
[03:40] <h17m4n> when I search for it under synaptic
[03:40] <thellama> !llama
[03:40] <ubotu> thellama: Syntax error in line 1
[03:41] <h17m4n> I see the azureus name on the left
[03:41] <zcat[1] > flac >> ogg
[03:41] <Madpilot> !info azureus
[03:41] <nickrud> Madpilot, I take it that azureus is in backports or extras?
[03:41] <h17m4n> but on the right, where you actually check the package to install, is empty
[03:41] <juanej> how do i uninstall eye of gnome?
[03:42] <nickrud> juanej, why would you want to?
[03:42] <zcat[1] > apt-get remove eog ?
[03:42] <Madpilot> nickrud: hoary-extras, looks like. sorry, I thought it was in uni or multi...
[03:42] <juanej> nickrud, i want to use gthumb
[03:42] <nickrud> Madpilot, then, info should have found it
[03:42] <nickrud> heh
[03:42] <juanej> i dont like eog
[03:43] <thellama> is there any way to uninstall the last batch of software i installed via synaptic, like undo or something? currently I have to look in history and uninstall each one manually
[03:43] <nickrud> juanej, then, right click an image, and, under properties, select open with and choose gthumb. That's what I did.
[03:43] <nickrud> juanej, you will have to do that with each image type, but only once for each.
[03:44] <zcat[1] > just apt-get remove eog .. nothing else depends on it.
[03:44] <Madpilot> gthumb > eog
[03:44] <juanej> theres no way to uninstall it?
[03:44] <thellama> they should add that feature (I just installed muine and dependencies, but don't like it so now i have to find all of them and uninstall them myself)
[03:44] <Paradoxx> how do you reinstall things useing apt-get?
[03:44] <nickrud> zcat[1] , ubuntu desktop depends on it.
[03:44] <zcat[1] > if you're not using it why waste 2.8M of disk on it.
[03:44] <Paradoxx> apt-get reinstall?
[03:44] <zcat[1] > I just removed it here, The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:44] <zcat[1] >   eog
[03:44] <nickrud> not a good idea, removing ubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <nickrud> zcat[1] , then, you've already removed ubuntu-desktop :)
[03:45] <juanej> thx zcat[1] 
[03:45] <Paradoxx> ??
[03:45] <juanej> im using xfce
[03:45] <Madpilot> thellama: you can un-install in Synaptic, just select an installed package and choose remove...
[03:45] <zcat[1] > odd.. I don't recall doing that :)
[03:45] <juanej> hehe
[03:45] <nickrud> ah, then, my right click sh* was useless :)
[03:46] <zcat[1] > I installed kde, perhaps that's the difference, but I still have gnome installed
[03:46] <zcat[1] > Yeah, ubuntu-desktop's not installed. How odd!
[03:47] <nickrud> zcat[1] , out of curiosity, did you use a meta-package to install gnome? And, not odd, considering the way you got to gnome :)
[03:47] <Chadza> Two questions, I'm trying to install ut2k4.  How do I run a script and then how do I make sure I have drivers working for my video card?
[03:47] <QuestionY> Question: /mnt$ touch untouchable
[03:47] <QuestionY> touch: cannot touch `untouchable': Permission denied
[03:47] <Octane> anyone here get real player to work on amd64
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> sh whateverscript
[03:47] <zcat[1] > I installed standard ubuntu then apt-got kde and a bunch of kde apps.
[03:48] <Chadza> Thanks Dr_Willis.
[03:48] <zcat[1] > I don't recall ever removing ubuntu-desktop, but I guess it might have got replaced with plain gnome at some point..
[03:48] <QuestionY> Hello World
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking ubuntu-desktop was some meta-package that just listed a lot of other dependencies.
[03:48] <JRlinux> Octane I would install Ubuntu64 , but the live version does not find my sound.
[03:49] <Answer> HELLO WORLD
[03:49] <nickrud> Dr_Willis, exactly. And, if you try to remove any package depended upon by ubuntu-desktop, you'd have to remove ubuntu desktop to remove the package.
[03:49] <zcat[1] > If I ask for ubuntu-desktop it wants to install eog and gaim too..
[03:49] <Answer> Question: [From Live CD]  How to mount /dev/hda2 in read/write mode?
[03:50] <thellama> if i had to pick one, which one should i pick: vlc or mplayer?
[03:50] <Paradoxx> how do you reinstall useing apt-get any1?
[03:50] <nickrud> zcat[1] , apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop will tell you what comes with ubuntu
[03:50] <zcat[1] > apt-get install --reinstall
[03:50] <Paradoxx> ty much
[03:51] <Paradoxx> kk, thx zcat, cause it wasn't workin at first
[03:51] <Paradoxx> :)
[03:51] <thellama> so zcat votes for mplayer, anyone vote for vlc?
[03:52] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I set up breezy at home a few days ago and I'm getting a really strange behavior in the shell.  Typing is delayed by a letter (for example, typing "ls -R /" will result in "ls -R " on the screen.  And output of commands also comes out in erratic, incomplete chunks instead of as expected.  The same thing happens if I log in over ssh.  What couple possibly be happening here?
[03:52] <thellama> wow
[03:52] <thellama> ficusplanet: breezy is in development, beta\
[03:52] <zcat[1] > breezy is still beta ?
[03:52] <zcat[1] > yeah..
[03:53] <thellama> it is for testing
[03:53] <WindowsXP> Hello everyone!!! ;)
[03:53] <Answer> nickrud Xappe mcphail Question: [From Live CD[ How can i get write access for newly create partition /dev/hda2 (mounted as /mnt)
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hi WindowsXP
[03:53] <ficusplanet> thellama, I'm well aware of that.  I don't think that means I should ignore bugs.  I'd really like to try and figure out what is going on so I can make sure it's fixed in the final.
[03:53] <ficusplanet> Has anyone experienced a similar problem?
[03:54] <thellama> ficusplanet: well said :) but I am a total newb at linux so unfortunatley I can't help you
[03:54] <crimsun> ficusplanet: any clues in dmesg?
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> ficusplanet,  what sort of system ya running that on?
[03:54] <the4bagger> hey, i am having trouble starting Xserver...can somebody please IM me who can help?
[03:54] <Answer> Now I don't get any responses :/
[03:54] <nickrud> Answer, try sudo umount /mnt ; sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[03:54] <ficusplanet> Dr_Willis, It's an nforce2 mobo with a sempron and 256mb of RAM, nothing out of the ordinary.
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> ficusplanet,  that the 64bit semperron?  Ive got a Turion (64 bit) cpu in my laptop and its giveing linux all sorts of fits. :(
[03:55] <thellama> what is the difference with the ubuntu backports repository?
[03:55] <ficusplanet> Dr_Willis, No, 32bit.
[03:55] <Answer> nickrud: root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[03:55] <Answer> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[03:55] <Answer>        missing codepage or other error
[03:55] <Answer>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:55] <Answer>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:56] <Xappe> Answer: -o user,rw
[03:56] <WindowsXP> Is there a stealth mode in either GAIM or Kopete?
[03:56] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Not really much of interest in dmesg.
[03:57] <nickrud> heh, sorry Answer I'll look closer
[03:57] <WindowsXP> !Botsnack
[03:57] <ubotu> :)
[03:57] <the4bagger> please PM me if you can help with the following error: (EE)Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration.
[03:57] <ficusplanet> crimsun, It's strange because GNOME itself works flawlessly, no input problems at all.  Just the shell.  I guess I could try to reinstall bash.
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need sound!!!!!
[03:57] <nickrud> Answer, you're trying to download an ubuntu install iso on that partition, right?
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> the4bagger,  your X config is not set up right.. check the ubuntu wikis on configuring X.
[03:57] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: does a Hoary live cd work correctly?
[03:58] <thellama> how do I enable shadows under menus and windows in breezy?
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..lemme see whether i have one
[03:58] <Answer> nickrud: I cannot download the installer to there because it is not mounted correctly
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> >:(
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> thellama,  hmm - isent that  nvidia driver option?
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> WindowsXP I did an upgrade and now i have no sound.
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun did i mention that the upgrade upgraded my kernel.
[03:58] <WindowsXP> To Breezy?
[03:59] <thellama> Dr_Willis: really? thats too bad...
[03:59] <thellama> i have like a rage or something in this old g3 ibook...
[03:59] <thellama> radeon
[03:59] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, What kind of sound card do you have?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> thellama,  i know nvidia drivers HAVE that feature. :P   could set the shadow darkness. and offsets..  not sure if normal X has that feature or not.
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> ich5
[04:00] <thellama> okay, thanks Dr_Willis
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet bear in mind, it worked for the past 8 months until i did a recent apt-get upgrade
[04:00] <Xappe> thellama: search the forums for composite and xcompmgr
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> intel onboard audio with the realtek something er-other chipset
[04:00] <thellama> Xappe: I'll try that now
[04:00] <Answer> Answer: root$ chown ubuntu /mnt
[04:00] <ficusplanet> crimsun, I notice that there is both a supported and an unsupported bash package in breezy.  Any idea why?
[04:00] <Answer> Answer2: Launch firefox as root
[04:01] <Ahmuck> BROKEN_LADDER: ?
[04:01] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, And you have not available devices in the Volume Mixer under your Sound & Video menu, correct?
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> go for it BROKEN_LADDER  :P
[04:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> audio works fine on my maudio delta, but that's the card i use for jack.
[04:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> available devices?
[04:01] <nickrud> Answer, ok, a hack: sudo umount -t ext3 /dev/hda /mnt ; sudo chmod +w /mnt  Then, try downloading into mount.
[04:01] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, Under the file menu of the mixer, there is a device submenu?  Is your card available in it?
[04:02] <Answer> nickrud: Thank You! Firefox setting needed to be changed.  chown ubuntu /mnt allows
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet sure it is.
[04:02] <Xappe> thellama: but I guess you have to choose between fancy unstable windows or 3d-acceleration
[04:02] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, And the mixer settings are set up properly for the card?  If it is in the mixer menu, it isn't a driver issue - most likely.
[04:02] <nickrud> Answer, I am always operating on my edge here, I hope it works for you.
[04:02] <Answer> nickrud: Thank You! [Now downloading Install CD .iso to /dev/hda2 as /mnt/dl/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso] 
[04:03] <Answer> Question: How can I partition /dev/hda to boot from the Install CD .iso?
[04:03] <Ahmuck> is the current ubuntu download up 2 date with the current firefox release ?
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> alsamixer?
[04:03] <Ahmuck> live cd ?
[04:03] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, Any mixer you're comfortable using.
[04:04] <jmg> what wiki engine does w.u.o run on?
[04:04] <nickrud> Answer, as I said I do admire persistence :)
[04:04] <Madpilot> jmg: MoinMoin
[04:04] <thellama> Xappe: where could I find such an option?
[04:04] <jmg> madpilot: does moinmoin run on plone/
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet well, that's part of the question.  in the past, it took a million different combinations of settings before the card just started working.  then it has worked for months and months, and only occasionally had problems, which were fixed by just toggling some mixer settinsg again.
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet i have no idea exactly what the mixer settings should be.  it seems that it works with the pcm and master volume muted generally.
[04:05] <Madpilot> jmg: no idea. track down the Moin homepage?
[04:05] <Xappe> thellama, I think dri and composite together is a no go...
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause i'm using spdif
[04:05] <thellama> Xappe: okay, I'll just forget about it :)
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't hear that bleeping from esd when i start it up.
[04:05] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Reinstalling bash/rebooting seems to have fixed the problem.
[04:05] <Xappe> thellama: but i'm not sure if you have to disable dri before using the composite extension, or if that will be done automagically
[04:06] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: checked the digital out page(s) on alsa.opensrc.org ?
[04:06] <nickrud> Xappe, you sure about that? I mean, what's the point of composite if it doesn't work with gl?
[04:07] <nickrud> a philosophical question, not a technical one.
[04:07] <bimberi> jmg:  no, moinmoin is python but not plone (or zope)
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun that page says : #  IEC958 Output: Press M to unmute.
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> # IEC958: Set to "PCM Out".
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> # IEC958 1: Set to "PCM Out".
[04:08] <johndarkhorse> moinmoin is nasty
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun  that makes no sense, because those aren't options.
[04:08] <Xappe> nickrud: check the forums, there are lots and lots of ppl complaining about bad performance on composite with their radeons
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i can do the first one, unmute.  but the re is no place where you can set iec958 to "pcm out" or anything like that.
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[04:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:08] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: chipset-specific, ignore what isn't applicable to your chipset
[04:08] <Xappe> nickrud: but i've never bothered trying that myself
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[04:08] <crimsun> back later.
[04:09] <nickrud> I tried wobbly windows under a voodoo3; it's enough to make me buy an nvidia (not radeon :)
[04:09] <ficusplanet> Xappe, Any radeon's after the 9200 aren't supported by dri in the open source drivers and the proprietary ATI drivers don't accelerate the RENDER extension of X so composite performance is currently rather bad with them.
[04:10] <zdennis> hey all... i am trying to dualboot my windows and ubuntu installs using the windows NT Loader. When I select to load from my Ubuntu install (which points to c:\linboot.bin) it says IO.sys not found and it just hangs
[04:10] <bur[n] er> zdennis: afaik, you can't load linux from the XP bootloader
[04:10] <bur[n] er> user grub
[04:10] <zdennis> I created my linboot.bin by copying over the first 512 bytes of my linux /boot partition into linboot.bin, and then copying it to a floppy first
[04:10] <zcat[1] > suggestion; booting NT with GRUB is much easier than booting Linux from the NT loader.
[04:10] <bur[n] er> use grub rather
[04:11] <zdennis> I dont run XP, i run Win2K
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah!  i just heard something.
[04:11] <bur[n] er> whatever, same thing... just use grub
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i killed esd and heard a split second of audio
[04:11] <thellama> am I missing any repositories?
[04:11] <thellama> vlc:
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: dbus-1 (>=0.23.4) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libflac6  but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libhal0 (>=0.4.0) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libmodplug0 (>=1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> shit now it's working!
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know why!
[04:11] <zcat[1] > You can boot linux from the windows loader, but it's megafsckinghard
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't do ANYTHING
[04:11] <zdennis> My ubuntu install is way down the food chain. It's on a PCI expansion RAID card
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  it hates you. :P
[04:11] <zdennis> or at least, the hard drive is down the food chain
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> "i killed esd and heard a split second of audio" --- that was doing somthing.
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> argghh!!
[04:12] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, What apps are trying to play sound with?
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> no no no
[04:12] <thellama> i cant install vlc, what's wrong?
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i had turned esd on and off a million times today
[04:12] <Xappe> ficusplanet: hmm, so maybe the radeon 9000 in the old ibooks will do composite just fine then?
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> Lol
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> this time i had esd on, then set xmms to write out to hw:0,4 and then killed esd and then got audio
[04:12] <ficusplanet> Xappe, It should, yes.
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is some kind of glitch
[04:12] <thellama> breezy
[04:12] <zcat[1] > you think that's difficult, I'm loading kde from gdm.. artsd and esd don't play nicely together :(
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to disable volume control, so that the sound is sent bit-per-bit identical to the source through the spdif?
[04:13] <Xappe> thellama: did you see that? I probably was wrong about the radeon vs. composite thing
[04:13] <thellama> aha
[04:13] <zcat[1] > afk.
[04:13] <thellama> so could i turn it on?
[04:13] <thellama> would I get shadows?
[04:14] <thellama> would I be able to revert?
[04:14] <Xappe> thellama: do you have a radeon 9000 in your ibook g3? (I have)
[04:14] <nickrud> !sound
[04:14] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[04:14] <thellama> hmm, radeon mobility M7 is what it says...
[04:15] <thellama> it's the white ibook, not the colorful one
[04:15] <ficusplanet> thellama, Turning on the composite extension won't do much different for you.  You also have to use a compositing manager - most commonly xcompmgr.  You can run glxgears to get an idea of whether you have direct rendering capabilities or not.
[04:15] <Xappe> thellama: you could at least try, and disable it if it's slowing your comp down too much
[04:15] <thellama> okay
[04:15] <thellama> what exactly would it give me?
[04:15] <thellama> besides possible slowness
[04:16] <nickrud> huh, that does belong in categorycleanup
[04:16] <ficusplanet> thellama, with xcompmgr you can have drop shadows and make windows fade in and menu semi-translucent.  Without it, you'll just have slightly smoother window movements.
[04:17] <thellama> ooo sounds nice, especially since I'm so used to tiger and all ;)
[04:17] <thellama> so where do i find xcompmgr?
[04:17] <ficusplanet> You can install it from synaptic.
[04:17] <dalamar> does anyone know of any voice recognition software or voice command stuff for linux?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  ive never seen any that work for windows. :P
[04:18] <dalamar> Dr_Willis, I've actually had alot of success with them in windows heh
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> ya can make it talk with.. err.. what was that program.. .... lol... Festival
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  tell that to my wife.. she keeps trying the things.. then gets mad at them.
[04:19] <dalamar> i dont want it to talk I just wanted to use it to open things and navigate primarily
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> "come read this  to the computer so it learns how to listen honey..."  - "ugh dear.. YOU need to read it.."
[04:19] <thellama> i installed xcompmgr, now what?
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:19] <Xappe> thellama: glxinfo should tell you if you have direct rendering or not btw
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> Dang it dalamar,  this is Linux! Not Star Trek!
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:19] <ficusplanet> You need to enable the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:19] <dalamar> hah
[04:19] <nickrud> Dr_Willis, your wife is very unreasonable :)
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> nickrud,  she also has a bad accent.
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> and a red-headed-short-temper
[04:20] <nickrud> I tried that ibm stuff a couple of years ago, and, I hope to see it before I die
[04:20] <ficusplanet> thellama, Then, when you're back into gnome after hitting Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X, you need to run xcompmgr with the settings you desire.  xcompmgr --help will give you a guide of what you can do.
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> she wants it work for her in the XXX chat rooms.
[04:20] <dalamar> im not a star trek fan but if I still had a little button on my shirt i could push and tell my computer to do things would kick serious ass ;)
[04:21] <nickrud> goggle 0-o
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  get the ESP-Usb-mrs-cleo adaptor.
[04:21] <thellama> ficusplanet: what do i edit in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:21] <dalamar> mrs cleo lol
[04:21] <dalamar> 'call me now mon!' ;)
[04:22] <ficusplanet> thellama, Add the following four lines:
[04:22] <ficusplanet> Section "Extensions"
[04:22] <ficusplanet>         Option "Composite"      "Enable"
[04:22] <ficusplanet>         Option "RENDER"         "Enable"
[04:22] <ficusplanet> EndSection
[04:22] <thellama> btw I have a redeon 9000
[04:22] <thellama> okay thanks
[04:23] <ficusplanet> thellama, Oh, and make sure that libxcomposite1 is installed in synaptic (I can't remember whether it is by default)
[04:26] <thellama> okay im going to restart x
[04:26] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: those buttons exist
[04:26] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: they just havta be hacked to make your puter listen
[04:27] <chombee> Hello - can anyone send me a sample sources.list file for Breezy? I tried replacing Hoary with Breezy in sources.list but no good, synaptic can't find a single repository now
[04:27] <dalamar> im not suprised given the average star trek fan ;)
[04:27] <ficusplanet> chombee, msg your email address to me.
[04:27] <chombee> Ahh... is Breezy case-sensitive?
[04:27] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: didnt you see /. a couple months ago about the 2.4ghz office commo system? tap the badge, say your coworkers name, be connected?
[04:27] <thellama> okay, I restarted x
[04:28] <johndarkhorse> chombee: all of *nix is case senstive
[04:28] <ficusplanet> thellama, OK, try running "xcompmgr -c"
[04:28] <thellama> (for some reason, log out in the system menu doesn't work)
[04:28] <thellama> k
[04:28] <dalamar> johndarkhorse, didnt see, i ont frequent /. thats cool though
[04:28] <thellama> ooooooooo prrrreeeeetttttyyyyy
[04:29] <thellama> thank you ficusplanet!
[04:29] <robertbb> What is the preferred cd burning software in Ubuntu?
[04:29] <chombee> johndarkhorse - that's an exageration, I could write a linux program and make it case-insensitive if I wanted
[04:29] <nickrud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 I'm using that for breezy
[04:29] <ficusplanet> thellama, no problem.  There are a lot more tricks you can do with it and it certainly isn't perfect yet, but "xcompmgr --help" can show you how to do other things.
[04:29] <chombee> ficusplanet - thanks, it looks like it worked now that I used a small b
[04:29] <nickrud> chombee, ^^
[04:30] <ficusplanet> chombee, cool
[04:30] <nickrud> ah, never mind
[04:30] <nickrud> case, uncase, love that stuff
[04:31] <nickrud> robertbb, it depends, for just dragging and dropping data files for backup, the file manager works just fine.
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do things fix themselves?
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> then you never know what was wrong
[04:32] <nickrud> cuz god loves messing with your mind?
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no god.
[04:32] <bimberi> nickrud!
[04:32] <nickrud> ok, the galactic overmind, then
[04:32] <Jaivaz> What about Torvalds?
[04:32] <dalamar> its the ubuntu fairy.
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:32] <Jaivaz> And Ubuntu-tan?
[04:32] <Davey> Is it possible to install Ubuntu from a Firewire CD drive plugged into a PCMCIA firewire card (laptop)
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> seriously, i spent four hours today fixing my audio..er..trying to.  then suddenly it steals Windows's idea and starts to Just Work
[04:33] <johndarkhorse> davey if the drive is bootable, yes
[04:33] <thellama> :(
[04:34] <thellama> x froze
[04:34] <thellama> i had to hard restart
[04:34] <thellama> but thanks anyway
[04:34] <thellama> it was pretty for a second! :p
[04:34] <thellama> hello?
[04:34] <thellama> can anyone hear me?
[04:34] <bimberi> no
[04:34] <nickrud> thellama, that stuff is not ready for prime time yet, but it is pretty if it works
[04:34] <thellama> okay
[04:35] <thellama> oh well, it seems to have reverted...
[04:35] <thellama> does it revert for every session?
[04:35] <thellama> okay, bye
[04:36] <thellama> and thanks again! :)
[04:36] <ficusplanet> thellama, You can always re-run "xcompmgr -c -F" to try it out again.
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://ask.yahoo.com/20050902.html
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> read that!
[04:37] <Davey> johndarkhorse, I don't know that it even see's the PCMCIA card before windows :/
[04:38] <Davey> brb
[04:38] <thellama> ooh it works! I didn't crash yet!
[04:38] <cafuego> Did lists.ububntu.com crash or something?
[04:39] <thellama> shadows are so pretty, i hope this gets finalized!
[04:39] <johndarkhorse> davey you may have to make a custom boot floppy or something
[04:39] <thellama> bye again
[04:39] <Madpilot> cafuego: works for me
[04:39] <cafuego> Madpilot: been too quiet...
[04:39] <cafuego> shadows make 3D not work
[04:41] <zdennis> hello all
[04:41] <ficusplanet> hey
[04:41] <Hobbsee_> hello :)
[04:41] <zdennis> ok... i am still working on dualbooting winderz and ubuntu
[04:41] <zdennis> I have given up on using the NT Loader
[04:41] <zdennis> so I am going to go with Grub
[04:41] <zdennis> How do I install grub after the fact onto the MBR?
[04:42] <zdennis> of the first disk?
[04:42] <cafuego> zdennis: You cannot dual boot nt/linux without either lilo OR grub.
[04:42] <cafuego> zdennis: /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[04:42] <zdennis> cafuego: i find that hard to believe... since i have found many web sites and books with references of using the NT Loader
[04:42] <zdennis> but nonetheless
[04:42] <zdennis> cafuego, here is my next question...
[04:43] <zdennis> when i installed Ubuntu i had unplugged the power from my other internal hard drives
[04:43] <cafuego> zdennis: Yes, they use the NT Loader to bootstrap LILO or GRUB.
[04:43] <zdennis> my menu.lst file thinks that my ubuntu install is on hd(0,0)
[04:43] <zdennis> that will probably change since I have my other hard drives plugged in now, correct?
[04:43] <cafuego> zdennis: You set them up by installing lilo or grub to the *partition*, then extractinng the 512b boot record and adding THAT to boot.ini
[04:44] <cafuego> the HOWTOs are all fairly clear on that.
[04:44] <zdennis> cafuego: that is what i did
[04:44] <cafuego> zdennis: Then you DO indeed have lilo or grub.
[04:44] <zdennis> i did a dd of the first 512 bytes of my /boot and saved in on a floppy as lnboot.bin
[04:44] <zdennis> i copied that to my windows c:\ and update the boot.ini
[04:44] <cafuego> zdennis: Did you install lilo or grub to the partition that /boot is on ?
[04:44] <Ahmuck> fonts are small and kerneled in ubuntu after installing firefox 1.0.6 on web pages
[04:44] <zdennis> however when i tried to boot into Ubuntu after rebooting it said, "Booting from utility parition. IO.sys not found"
[04:45] <zdennis> grub
[04:45] <nickrud> wow
[04:45] <cafuego> zdennis: That's a misconfigured grub OR missing boot record
[04:45] <zdennis> i think it is because my menu.lst file points to hd(0,0)
[04:45] <cafuego> (possibly both)
[04:45] <zdennis> and that is wrong
[04:46] <cafuego> zdennis: What partition is Linux on?
[04:46] <zdennis> it is on my /dev/hde drive
[04:46] <zdennis> boot is hde1
[04:46] <zdennis> root is hde2
[04:46] <zdennis> But when i installed Ubuntu, i unplugged the power to my other hard drives...
[04:46] <cafuego> zdennis: Okay, /sbin/grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hde1
[04:46] <zdennis> so I think it got the idea it was the only game in town
[04:47] <cafuego> zdennis: That will make it rescan for ALL hdds and number them appropriately.
[04:47] <zdennis> ok...am running that command
[04:47] <cafuego> zdennis: it will also plonk a new boot record in /dev/hde1. You should use 'dd' again to copy it out and replace the one on C:
[04:48] <cafuego> zdennis: When done, you /dev/hde will be mapped to a number, check /boot/grub/devices.txt
[04:48] <cafuego> zdennis: .. and adjust menu.lst appropriately.
[04:48] <cafuego> *accordingly
[04:49] <Davey> johndarkhorse, no floppy drive :/
[04:49] <johndarkhorse> davey no integral cd either?
[04:49] <Davey> not one that works ;)
[04:49] <Davey> thats the problem ;)
[04:49] <Davey> and my roomie took his USB floppy disk with him when he moved out :/
[04:49] <zdennis> cafuego:  i am in recovery mode at the moment...it only see's itself..so it think sit's hd0
[04:49] <ppd> hi. is it possible to compile a kernel with the ck patchset and softwaresuspend2 included at the same time?
[04:49] <zdennis> er...rescue mode
[04:49] <zdennis> brb
[04:50] <QMario> How do I set environmental variables for Java?
[04:51] <zdennis> ok bak
[04:51] <Davey> johndarkhorse, guess I'm going to have to install into a VMware to start and reboot to it proper :/
[04:51] <zdennis> QMario....    export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/home
[04:51] <johndarkhorse> davey there are many ways to skin a cat
[04:52] <Davey> johndarkhorse, yeah, but that one is particularly gruesome :/
[04:52] <zdennis> cafuego: can i install grub to a floppy
[04:52] <zdennis> and boot off from that?
[04:52] <cafuego> zdennis: sure
[04:52] <QMario> Where should my JAVA_HOME be?
[04:52] <zdennis> probably somewhere like, /usr/lib/java   or /usr/local/lib/java
[04:53] <cafuego> zdennis: Just don't ask me exactly how, i haven't used floppies this millennium
[04:53] <zdennis> do a ... find /usr -name "java" to find the directories
[04:53] <cafuego> QMario: if you installed java properly, uou don't need to set JAVA_HOME.
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> hey; why does samba never let me login from my windows pc? i set it to user security and no logins work :S
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> i've reinstalled it twice now; once from synapse and once compiled from source
[04:55] <cafuego> Fred|Fr3d: Did you add a samba user via smbpasswd?
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> yup
[04:55] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: smbpasswd -a
[04:55] <QMario> What about "/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun"?
[04:55] <cafuego> Fred|Fr3d: Did you check the logs for errors?
[04:55] <zdennis> Fred, did you try to add yourself as a 'valid user = fred"   on the shar eyou want to access?
[04:56] <QMario> Should that work, zdennis?
[04:56] <CarlFK> whoops.  what happens if I do a reboot while an apt-get install is running?
[04:56] <zdennis> QMario: that looks promiishing
[04:56] <Fred|Fr3d> yes
[04:56] <cafuego> CarlFK: Then the machine reboots.
[04:56] <Madpilot> isn't "killall gnome-panel" supposed to force restart of gnome-panel? it seems to have killed gnome-panel completely instead...
[04:56] <QMario> What about the bin directory?
[04:56] <zdennis> if it works, you'll ant to set that "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun"    in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
[04:56] <CarlFK> cafuego - so the apt db will be ok?
[04:56] <nickrud> CarlFK, apt-get will recover nicely
[04:56] <zdennis> file
[04:56] <zdennis> in your home directory
[04:56] <iJeffChat> Ubuntu is #1 Distro on Distrowatch.com!
[04:56] <cafuego> CarlFK: You'll have a SERIOPUS problem if it was *just* overwriting libc6, otherwise, just run 'apt-get -f install' when it comes back up.
[04:56] <CarlFK> yea for apt! ;)
[04:57] <Fred|Fr3d> zdennis: what?
[04:57] <DonL> iJeffChat, and by a very wide margin
[04:57] <QMario> It doesn't work. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[04:57] <LazloFruvous> is libpth2 the right package for the -lpthreads gcc linker flag?
[04:57] <nickrud> cafuego, a worst case analysis :)
[04:57] <Mr-Falkor> Will I get the newest Ubuntu Beta version if I run: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:58] <nickrud> Mr-Falkor, not unless you have changed your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the next version
[04:59] <iJeffChat> Mandrake linux was renamed Mandriva?
[04:59] <chombee> So.... Breezy is looking pretty fancy then?
[04:59] <Mr-Falkor> ah, ok ..is it a good idea to upgrade my distro to the beta ?;)
[04:59] <DonL> iJeffChat, so I understand
[04:59] <firefly2442> anyone know how to change the libGL.so symbolic link to ATI?
[04:59] <Mr-Falkor> the Breezy beta
[04:59] <nickrud> not really, just the next iteration of gnome, with a bit extra.
[04:59] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: we're only a few days from preview release - it's running nicely
[05:00] <Davey> Is like, 5GB enough for an Ubuntu install?
[05:00] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, good :-)
[05:00] <jdub> chombee: breezy is awesome
[05:00] <chombee> Davey - yeah
[05:00] <jdub> Davey: yes
[05:00] <Mr-Falkor> Davey, yes
[05:00] <QMario> Zdennis?
[05:00] <DonL> jdub, I'm looking forward to it
[05:00] <zdennis> yeah QMario ?
[05:00] <chombee> jdub - expand! I'm hungry for information, what I could find on the web doesn't satisfy
[05:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> I haven't seen anything that has shown Breezy >>>>>>>>>>> Hoary
[05:00] <Davey> woah, I have a 14.62GB partition I didn't enough know about
[05:00] <zdennis> soryr, i had stepped away for a sec
[05:00] <Davey> and a 5GB partition too
[05:01] <Davey> I guess I had planned to dual boot this, LOL
[05:01] <zdennis> my conversation history stinks, can you restate
[05:01] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, what futures do the breezy have, that 5.04 dont have ?
[05:01] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: too much to summarise really
[05:01] <Xanthus7> Does anyone use Pan
[05:01] <bimberi> !breezy
[05:01] <ubotu> [breezy]  the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[05:01] <jdub> one of the coolest things is fully integrated LTSP functionality
[05:01] <chombee> Did someone say the Breezy preview was only days away? Is the release sooner than I thought? I thought we still had over a month to go
[05:01] <nickrud> I will note the new version of the package installer, though
[05:01] <butcherbird> chombee, if you like being dropped into a console after install breezy is great =)
[05:02] <QMario> It doesn't work. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[05:02] <jdub> chombee: the *preview* release is days away, the final release is a month away
[05:02] <bimberi> jdub: yes, looking forward to seeing the LTSP stuff :)
[05:02] <chombee> jdub - ahh, I seem to remember the preview was only a week or two prior to the release, must be wrong
[05:02] <jdub> hrm, that page is not a good summary of breezy
[05:02] <zdennis> QMario:  What are you trying to do to test this? compile a java file? run a java program?
[05:03] <DonL> I'm hoping for an easy upgrade. Don't want to dump all my Hoary files
[05:03] <Xanthus7> Can anyone help me with Pan
[05:03] <jdub> DonL: online upgrades are easy
[05:03] <chombee> jdub - what is the single coolest new thing that breezy has?
[05:03] <DonL> jdub, great.
[05:03] <jdub> chombee: i think the LTSP stuff is the coolest
[05:03] <ficusplanet> jdub, what do you mean by fully integrated ltsp?  Where can I get more information about that?
[05:03] <nickrud> ok, I'll bite: what's LTSP?
[05:03] <Xanthus7> will it have qt4
[05:04] <bimberi> Linux Terminal Server Project
[05:04] <Xanthus7> will breezy have QT4
[05:04] <jdub> Xanthus7: no
[05:04] <QMario> Zdennis, run a Java program. Sorry.
[05:04] <chombee> LTSP?
[05:04] <nickrud> oh, cheap terminals
[05:04] <Xanthus7> I need that to run a program I want
[05:04] <bur[n] er> even though drag+drop to it doesn't work
[05:04] <QMario> Zdennis, compiling is perfect, but execution is the problem.
[05:04] <jdub> ficusplanet, nickrud, chombee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration
[05:05] <ficusplanet> jdub, thanks.  Did the hal patches to cups make it into breezy?
[05:05] <nickrud> got it, and thanks, jdub
[05:05] <zdennis> QMario, give me a few minutes....
[05:05] <jdub> ficusplanet: don't think so
[05:05] <zdennis> i need to get my ubuntu system up (i'm on a mac atm)
[05:07] <Davey> Xanthus7, oerhaps the next version of kubuntu will?
[05:07] <Fred|Fr3d> why doesn't samba let me login from my pc? i've added myself a user and to the valid-users bit, and still get errors logging in :S
[05:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK.  I've been running breezy for a couple days here and I'm really impressed.  Nice to see improvments to gnome-app-install.  One thing I've been curious about: I participated/won in the web redesign contest and I'm wondering if you guys are planning on doing any more clean up on the website before breezy?  I'm planning on launching a spreadfirefox-esque site soonish.
[05:08] <chombee> Hey is it easy to install Beagle and stuff like that in Breezy? I also wonder if F-Spot is any more complete, that'd be nice
[05:08] <oofnik_> hey guys i am in DESPERATE need of help please!!
[05:08] <ficusplanet> chombee, yes.  beagle is in universe and f-spot is at version 0.11.1 currently in apt
[05:08] <ficusplanet> oofnik_, What's up?
[05:09] <Xanthus7> is there any debian version of linux that has qt4
[05:09] <oofnik_> i was messing with themes, and i must have done something i shouldn't have and now everything I do crashes wnck-applet
[05:09] <oofnik_> i can't open nautilus without it crashing
[05:09] <jdub> ficusplanet: ah, you may want to wait until you see the fridge
[05:09] <jdub> ficusplanet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge
[05:09] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[05:09] <chombee> ficusplanet - it looked the improvements for gnome-app-install were pretty ambitous. I think that'd make a big difference. Does it completely replace Synaptic in Breezy?
[05:10] <jdub> ficusplanet: it's going to be a combination of news and spreadfirefox style advocacy stuff
[05:10] <jdub> chombee: no, it won't replace synaptic
[05:10] <chombee> jdub - won't ever?
[05:10] <oofnik_> is there a way to reset and reinstall all of gnome?
[05:10] <oofnik_> without wiping the system that is
[05:10] <jdub> chombee: no
[05:10] <zdennis> oofnik, you could try dpkg-reconfigure gnome from command line (without being in X)
[05:10] <nickrud> jdub, you do have some aggressive goals :)
[05:10] <jdub> oofnik_: if you are having a problem with your own session, you can delete the gnome settings files in your homedir
[05:11] <ficusplanet> chombee, And goals 2 and 3 in the spec weren't completed.  It can't replace synaptic because it doesn't let you control libraries, etc.
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: reinstalling the gnome packages will not help
[05:11] <oofnik_> just remove the .gnome2 directory?
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: .gnome2/.gconf
[05:11] <chombee> jdub - doesn't that mean we have two different ways of searching for and installing applications? Isn't that confusing?
[05:11] <oofnik_> and next time I run gnome it will recreate that right?
[05:11] <jdub> chombee: there *are* two different ways of searching for and installing *packages*
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: yes
[05:11] <iJeffChat> Does Wine run under Ubuntu?
[05:12] <ficusplanet> chombee, gnome-app-install should take care of installing any typical end-user applications
[05:12] <zenwhen> yes, easily
[05:12] <oofnik_> ok, thanks.. i will try.. wish me luck guys
[05:12] <jdub> chombee: g-a-i will focus on applications and end user goals, synaptic is an admin tool
[05:12] <jdub> iJeffChat: yes, just install it
[05:12] <Discipulus> iJeffChat, yes
[05:12] <zdennis> how do you do a global find and repalce in VI, what keystroke to i need to enter that mode?
[05:13] <bimberi> :%s/from/to/
[05:13] <chombee> jdub - I see, well I guess it makes sense. We do need something more end-user oriented than Synaptic. I had a friend who went trying to install an audio burner, he installed a load of perl scripts and command line tools, he thought Linux was a total mess
[05:13] <jdub> ficusplanet: TheFridge is launching very soon - when it's up, let me know if you want to join the editor team
[05:13] <johndarkhorse> jdub: you mean g-a-i is gonna be more "add-remove programs" like?
[05:13] <jdub> johndarkhorse: yes
[05:13] <jdub> johndarkhorse: you can try the original version in hoary
[05:13] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, you are a ubuntu dev ?
[05:13] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: yes
[05:13] <bur[n] er> heh
[05:13] <QMario> Zdennis?
[05:13] <nickrud> lol
[05:14] <DonL> and here I was after rpm thinking Synaptic was a godsend
[05:14] <Xanthus7> ijeffchat what you trying to do in wine
[05:14] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, cool,.. thank you guys for a nice distro
[05:14] <jdub> :-)
[05:14] <chombee> also, I always thought it was weird having the menu entry for the add/remove programs application labelled 'Synaptic Package Manager'. No newbie would ever suspect it!
[05:14] <QMario> It doesn't run. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[05:14] <ficusplanet> jdub, Cool.  Thanks.  Is there a structure through which I can get more involved with improvement of ubuntu.com generally.  I have 3 years of plone experience.
[05:14] <QMario> Must you export JAVA_HOME?
[05:14] <QMario> Why can it compile but not run?
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> agh,.. my XMMS is freezing every hour
[05:15] <jdub> ficusplanet: hrm, not enormously at the moment. but if you mail henrik, he might know stuff you can help with.
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> so I need to restart my XMMS every time
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> =/
[05:15] <jdub> ficusplanet: henrik.omma@canonical.com
[05:15] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK.  Thanks.  Good luck with the GNOME2.12 release/the preview!
[05:16] <iJeffChat> *Can you dualboot OSX and Ubuntu?
[05:16] <Mr-Falkor> I hope Gnome 2.12 will use lesser CPU !:)
[05:16] <chombee> iJeffChat - I don't see why not
[05:16] <iJeffChat> Great
[05:17] <bur[n] er> Mr-Falkor: feels faster so far ;)
[05:17] <Mr-Falkor> bur[n] er, good :)
[05:17] <DonL> I know someone dual booting Mandriva and OSX
[05:18] <chombee> jdub - are you actually getting paid to work on Ubuntu right now, as we speak?
[05:18] <QMario> Why can it compile but not run?
[05:18] <nickrud> bad question chombee.
[05:18] <QMario> Hello Madpilot!!! Can you help me set up Java?
[05:19] <Fred|Fr3d> can anyone help me w/ samba?
[05:19] <robertbb> What do people generally use for a GUI cd burning application under gnome?
[05:19] <Madpilot> !tell QMario about java
[05:19] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, what is your problem?
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> i cant login from my other pc.
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> i either get the password box again
[05:20] <chombee> robertbb - Serpentine is going to be the default in Breezy... not sure if there's a Hoary package or not
[05:20] <Madpilot> robertbb: nautilus (the file manager) does most CDs - I use gnomebaker for everything else
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> or a *big* error box
[05:20] <QMario> Madpilot, it is already installed, but it doesn't run any of my programs.
[05:20] <nickrud> of course, if I could arrange for jdub to make it to san antonio on ubuntu's dime, I might as some more questions :)
[05:20] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: what's the windows version?
[05:20] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, did you use SWAT?
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> xp pro sp2
[05:20] <Madpilot> QMario: "man java" at a prompt
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, no
[05:20] <robertbb> chombee/Madpilot: Thanks :-) I'll look them both up.
[05:21] <QMario> Do you want security=user or share?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: and you have a linux user that has permissions to shared folders & you set that smbpasswd??
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i dont mind
[05:21] <Madpilot> robertbb & chombee: there doesn't seem to be a Serpentine package for Hoary...
[05:21] <chombee> Madpilot - do you find gnomebaker is reliable for audio? haven't tried it much. The first time I tried a burn it messed up, I think because the menu entry doesn't run it as root
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> bur[n] er, yes
[05:21] <johndarkhorse> nickrud you had the oppertunity to have nalioth in SA on his dime
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: restart samba after adding password?
[05:21] <QMario> True. He is right.
[05:21] <chombee> Madpilot - are you burning data or audio cds?
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> several times
[05:21] <Madpilot> chombee: haven't actually burned any audio yet, all data or ISOs
[05:22] <nickrud> johndarkhorse, but, but, measures a friend on one hand, and a rock star on the other :)
[05:22] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: i'm at a loss... try using \\ipaddress instead of \\hostname?
[05:22] <iJeffChat> **How easy is the Ubuntu install? any Graphical installers? manual?
[05:22] <QMario> I think you should use SWAT to help you, unless you are fine with configuring the smb.conf all by yourself.
[05:22] <Davey|Work> OK, so I'm installing Ubuntu in a VM onto a real partition
[05:22] <chombee> Madpilot - well if data is what you want use the nautilus cd burner, if iso just right click and choose burn image
[05:22] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i would use swat, but where is it?
[05:23] <chombee> Madpilot - if you want to burn audio Cds you need something like gnomebaker or serpentine
[05:23] <QMario> !SWAT
[05:23] <ubotu> I guess swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:23] <Madpilot> chombee: I know, I've done it already (one of these days I'll get around to trying the Kubuntu LiveCD I burnt last week...)
[05:23] <bur[n] er> serpentine works well for audio :)
[05:23] <CarlFK> chombee - what about kb3 for audio?
[05:23] <QMario> Right there.
[05:23] <iJeffChat> **How easy is the Ubuntu install? any Graphical installers? manual?
[05:23] <QMario>  iJeffChat, easy.
[05:24] <Madpilot> iJeffChat: it's not graphical, but not hard
[05:24] <bur[n] er> iJeffChat: easy... no gui install, but easy
[05:24] <nickrud> serpentine is only in extras/backports, though
[05:24] <QMario>  iJeffChat, straightforward.
[05:24] <CarlFK> iJeffChat - can you hit Enter a few times?
[05:24] <CarlFK> ;)
[05:24] <chombee> CarlFK - K3b works well, it just doesn't fit too well with the GNOME environment, and I don't like their approach to UI design, all cluttered and confusing
[05:24] <QMario> Unlike Gentoo.
[05:24] <zdennis> iJeffChat: very easy
[05:24] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, thanks; i'll try SWAT
[05:24] <iJeffChat> Ah great..
[05:24] <DonL> iJeffChat, you have to get used to the arrow keys, but no prob
[05:25] <iJeffChat> great
[05:25] <QMario> Zdennis, so did you figure out what was wrong with my Java programs not running?
[05:25] <QMario> Anyway, how did you get yours to run?
[05:26] <Madpilot> QMario: if it's a .jar file, I think "java -jar <foo.jar>" works?
[05:26] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, "E: Couldn't find package swat"
[05:26] <chombee> Upgrading to Breezy seems to be a bit problematic, it keeps installing some of the packages then failing, then I can hit Apply again and it'll get a little further...
[05:26] <zdennis> Madpilot: QMario's problem i think is that it can't find the default java home directory
[05:26] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: add extra repos
[05:26] <QMario> !Repositories
[05:26] <ubotu> repositories is, like, probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:26] <firefly2442> QMario, maybe try BlueJ?
[05:26] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks :-)
[05:26] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, look up.
[05:27] <Madpilot> zdennis: interesting... mine install just worked...
[05:27] <QMario> Repositories.
[05:27] <firefly2442> www.bluej.org
[05:27] <Madpilot> *my install, even...
[05:27] <zdennis> Madpilot, yeah , mine to
[05:27] <QMario> Hello Xatu!!! :)
[05:27] <zdennis> QMario: still working on getting my dualboot up and going
[05:27] <nickrud> chombee, try, from a command line, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:27] <zdennis> ...
[05:27] <DonL> Madpilot, mine too, but only after I followed the instructions at Ubuntu
[05:27] <chombee> Hey will Breezy have a simpler way of upgrading to the next distro? Having to mess with the sources.list isn't ideal for everyone
[05:28] <chombee> nickrud - you think it's the synaptic gui that is the problem?
[05:28] <chombee> nickrud - isn't it apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:28] <zcat[1] > record
[05:28] <nickrud> chombee, I've been using aptitude for a few years; it's a bit smarter that apt-get
[05:28] <zcat[1] > 9400547001033
[05:28] <zcat[1] > record
[05:28] <QMario> What is BlueJ?
[05:29] <nickrud> but, the net result is the same. I can be a snob ;)
[05:29] <chombee> okay lets see how it fares
[05:29] <DonL> nickrud, I'll have to look into aptitude. Never used it, but I've heard of it
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> Hello
[05:29] <nickrud> DonL, check the wiki, it has a survival guide
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> well... I just bought a 5.1surround sound system
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> but I don't have a 5.1 sound card
[05:30] <DonL> nickrud, thanks, I will
[05:30] <Flying-Penguin> at anyrate... in windows I can convert my 3 port integrated to 5.1 sound card, can I do this in linux???
[05:30] <Davey|Work> Flying-Penguin: well, that was silly!
[05:30] <Quinthius> Breezy is due out around october right?
[05:30] <chombee> I think maybe having backports in my sources.list is causing problems
[05:30] <firefly2442> QMario, it's a Java IDE
[05:30] <Flying-Penguin> Davey|Work, my old mother bord has 5.1 it should be back from the shop in like 2-3 weeks
[05:31] <durt> whats a java ide?
[05:31] <Madpilot> Quinthius: mid-October or so - not sure if the exact date has been confirmed
[05:31] <firefly2442> integrated development environment
[05:31] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i've installed swat now. how do i access it?
[05:31] <Quinthius> Madpilot: that's fine, was just curious about general time frame
[05:31] <nickrud> chombee, almost certainly. If you want something specific from backports, enable it in sources.list, update, get the package, then disable backports sources.list
[05:31] <johndarkhorse> durf an IDE is a I-something Developemnt environment, i think
[05:31] <bimberi> Quinthius: we've just been reliably informed that a preview release is a few days away
[05:32] <QMario> Firefly2442, remember I can't run any Java class programs, do the installer won't work.
[05:32] <QMario> !SWAT
[05:32] <durt> i mean, what ide are you talking about?
[05:32] <ubotu> it has been said that swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:32] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks
[05:32] <Quinthius> bimberi: cool :)
[05:32] <firefly2442> QMario, did you install the JRE or JDK?
[05:32] <QMario> Both.
[05:32] <thellama> hey all
[05:32] <QMario> Hello Thellama!!! :)
[05:32] <thellama> :)
[05:32] <firefly2442> QMario, from the .bin files?
[05:32] <QMario> Yes.
[05:32] <QMario> !Botsnack.
[05:32] <ubotu> :)
[05:33] <thellama> heh
[05:33] <thellama> !Botsnack
[05:33] <ubotu> :)
[05:33] <djfm> hi!
[05:33] <QMario> Hello djfm!!! :)
[05:33] <thellama> i can't install vlc
[05:33] <chombee> nickrud - good advice, thanks
[05:33] <QMario> !Vlc
[05:33] <ubotu> QMario: I don't know
[05:33] <firefly2442> QMario, so if you navigate to the JDK directory and then bin and run java with your program it doesn't work?
[05:34] <DonL> must go for now. Thanks as usual for the chat!
[05:34] <QMario> Yes.
[05:34] <nickrud> chombee, that's based on my marillat experience, and, I've no reason to think otherwise of backports.
[05:34] <djfm> where exactly in xorg.conf should I paste the settings line given by xvidtune? it looks like "1280x1024"   135.00   1280 1340 1484 1672   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
[05:34] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[05:34] <Xanthus7> So can can anyone tell me if QT4 can be installed in the current veriso of Ubuntu
[05:34] <firefly2442> QMario, personally, I don't like messing around with the path and so on, so I use BlueJ
[05:34] <firefly2442> QMario, are you doing development stuff?
[05:35] <firefly2442> QMario, or just want to run java programs?
[05:35] <firefly2442> QMario, what is the file?
[05:35] <QMario> Hold on.
[05:35] <mik3> anyone want to help me tackle my apt-get problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[05:35] <QMario> I'll be back soon.
[05:36] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, Webmin has a nice module for configuring proftpd, that might help you out maybe....
[05:36] <Sir_Brizz> what is webmin?
[05:37] <durt> why are you using those repositories mik3?
[05:37] <thellama> vlc:
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: dbus-1 (>=0.23.4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libflac6  but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libhal0 (>=0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libmodplug0 (>=1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[05:37] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, http://www.webmin.com/
[05:37] <mik3> i don't know?
[05:37] <mik3> what should i be using
[05:37] <johndarkhorse> mik3: run your apt-get again, your gzip just pooped out on ya
[05:37] <thellama> help me to install vlc
[05:38] <Xanthus7> What is the difference between the Ubuntu DVD and CD iso
[05:38] <thellama> dvd has install and live
[05:38] <Xorlev> You know you need to enable DMA on your HDDs when a copy between the two drives sticks between 20 and 80kb/s
[05:38] <Xorlev> >_>
[05:38] <Xanthus7> ah great thank you
[05:38] <thellama> your welcome :)
[05:39] <mik3> any suggestions?
[05:39] <zdennis> mik3, what are you trying to do?
[05:39] <butcherbird> thellama, you cant apt-get?
[05:40] <mik3> zdennis http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[05:40] <thellama> vlc: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libflac6 but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libhal0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[05:41] <thellama> should I add another repository?
[05:41] <jdub> chombee: yes
[05:41] <durt> why dont you get psi from the ubuntu repositories and remove that weird one, mik3?
[05:41] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, neither smbd -D or nmbd -D will work now
[05:41] <zcat[1] > 9414763001012
[05:41] <mik3> what would the correct entry be for repository
[05:41] <Fred|Fr3d> and i get connection refused to swat; it doesnt seem to run either
[05:41] <Mr-Falkor> Oh lord,.. I really need to sleep
[05:42] <bimberi> jdub: surely you're at lunch :P
[05:42] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: samba problems?
[05:42] <Fred|Fr3d> yup
[05:42] <kalias> nickrud: Hi!  I haven't been on in a while, how are you?
[05:42] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, have a dream job
[05:42] <zdennis> i dont know mik3
[05:42] <chombee> nickrud - aptitude is working a lot better than Synaptic, lesson learned. I assumed any problem with Synaptic was basically and apt-get problem, like Synaptic was just a UI to apt-get
[05:43] <nickrud> kalias, you caught me at the right time, I've been gone for a week or so
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: i was between my last couple of comments here :)
[05:43] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yes its a samba problem
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: where are you based?
[05:43] <nickrud> chombee, aptitude is the reference now
[05:43] <mrichman> is there a gui tool for configuring and sharing a printer like in RH
[05:43] <mik3> !repositories
[05:43] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: can you paste your smb.conf somewhere?
[05:43] <ubotu> [repositories]  probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:43] <kalias> nickrud: nice to talk to you again :)  My ubuntu machine has been working very well.  I have given up on gentoo.
[05:43] <chombee> jdub - that's funny. You must be a happy happy man
[05:43] <bimberi> jdub: Canberra
[05:43] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: not in channel ;-)
[05:43] <durt> do you have the hoary extras and backports enabled, mik3?
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: oh, funny, i'm in yass atm. going to canberra tomorrow.
[05:44] <jdub> chombee: hard but fun. :)
[05:44] <mik3> why do you think those repositories are weird? they are the defaults
[05:44] <Mr-Falkor> There is only two things i dont like about gnome,.. it look so plastic and its using alot of CPU :P
[05:44] <chombee> jdub - I'll take your job next once you're done with it, okay?
[05:44] <nickrud> kalias, that's the nice thing about ubuntu, it does work, doesn't it :)
[05:45] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm, i've tried remaking it five times. only basic stuff like server string, workgroup, and one share
[05:45] <durt> the "alioth" one is the weird one
[05:45] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: oh, and are you doing user auth (need user/pass to access) or share auth (all shares open)?
[05:45] <kalias> nickrud:  Do you know much about gcc?  I am getting setup for a night school course and would like to use it.  Any recommendations on how I should set it up?
[05:45] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: how do I get that up and running then? I apt-get installed it, where do I go from there?
[05:45] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm, user at the moment, but i'll switch if it means it will work.
[05:45] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1915
[05:45] <disasm> kalias: sudo apt-get install gcc
[05:45] <adoyretsamon> whew
[05:46] <jdub> kalias: install build-essential
[05:46] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: did you use smbpasswd to create your samba user?
[05:46] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, did you need to go on a "programmer school" before you got that job you have now ? or did you just how your skill ?
[05:46] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, https://localhost:10000/
[05:46] <nickrud> kalias, you are asking the absolutely wrong person, except for what jdub just said :)
[05:46] <Mr-Falkor> show*
[05:46] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, make sure you install the proftpd module for webmin too
[05:46] <thellama> can someone please help me?
[05:46] <nickrud> I use the packages provided, with of garnome and other stuff for fun.
[05:46] <kalias> nickrud: okay, thanks :) Nice that you are honest about it :))
[05:46] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: samba wont even run at all atm. i do smbd -D or nmbd -D and it does nothing; ps ax | grep smbd shows nothing
[05:46] <chombee> Yeah - I'd be interested to know if Canonical value having shown skill - like having projects you've worked on, or if they value qualifications
[05:46] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: i used to code, but i don't these days - my skills are better used helping the coders with non-code things :-)
[05:47] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1915
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> hey all... glad to be back
[05:47] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, search for webmin in synaptic and they should show up
[05:47] <thellama> please help
[05:47] <Davey|Work> uh... I don't see my HDD in Windows Disk Management :(
[05:47] <bur[n] er> ooh... i have a gcc question... if an app is made for gcc3, can i even compile it at all for breezy?  or do I have to wait for it to be gcc4 compatible?
[05:47] <Davey|Work> this is bad
[05:47] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, :-)
[05:47] <Sir_Brizz> I have to do this from the shell
[05:47] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: paste your smb.conf to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:47] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: one second.
[05:47] <jdub> chombee: very much so, our hackers are extremely good
[05:47] <zdennis> my dual booting experience is not going so well
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> Davey, can you see it via booting the Live disc>
[05:47] <kalias> jdub: what is build essential?
[05:47] <thellama> I can't install VLC, someone help!
[05:47] <zdennis> ..
[05:47] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1915
[05:48] <chombee> jdub - so are you a UI person?
[05:48] <Davey|Work> adoyretsamon: can't boot the live disk
[05:48] <jdub> kalias: it's a meta-package that depends on common tools for building software
[05:48] <Davey|Work> hrm
[05:48] <johndarkhorse> kalias:  its a meta=pkg with all the things necessary for compiling code
[05:48] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1916
[05:48] <bimberi> jdub: well enjoy the drive :) - nice to see a bit of green and some water in the dams!
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> Davey|Work, bios issue?
[05:48] <jdub> chombee: yes, have done quite a bit of that, but atm i'm doing business & community development
[05:48] <kalias> jdub: any thing else I need?  I am taking some C courses.
[05:48] <durt> mik3 and thellama: make sure you have these lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted; deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:48] <jdub> bimberi: wow, yeah - it was brown only 6 months ago
[05:49] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: I need to do this from the shell. Also, when I go to that ip I get "Access Denied for <my ip>"?
[05:49] <zdennis> Fred, is that a space as the first character in your share name?
[05:49] <jdub> kalias: that'll get you started
[05:49] <kalias> . thanks :))
[05:49] <chombee> jdub - oh man, you get to do cool stuff. Well business development sounds rubbish, but community development sounds good, Anyway I'll stop bugging you
[05:49] <redtech> I just added a secondary drive, whats the proper way to mount it? Should I just copy a line from fstab and change the mount point? /dev/hdb1      /data               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:50] <jdub> chombee: bizdev means we get to make money to keep ubuntu going :-) oh, and have cool companies shipping their software for ubuntu, and shipping ubuntu on their hardware :)
[05:50] <nickrud> jdub, just out of curiosity, has any texas loco's hit on your travel plans yet?
[05:50] <kalias> jdub: is there a good operations guide for gcc and build essential?
[05:50] <bur[n] er> redtech: change the device and the mount point
[05:50] <jdub> nickrud: nup, no one from texas so far
[05:50] <jdub> kalias: there are some great books about developing for linux (and using the gnu tools) about - check amazon
[05:50] <chombee> You know, it'd be good if Ubuntu would automatically cycle the default theme and background and all the art on a seasonal basis, that'd be neat
[05:50] <bur[n] er> jdub: colorado anywhere?
[05:50] <redtech> bur[n] er, thank you
[05:50] <jdub> bur[n] er: nup
[05:50] <nickrud> oh, well, I'm too new to texas to have any influence.
[05:50] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, ahh, it's probably only allowing local access
[05:50] <bur[n] er> aww, just curious
[05:50] <kalias> jdub: like orielly?
[05:51] <jdub> kalias: yeah, they have lots of great books
[05:51] <Sir_Brizz> firflany way to enable it for the LAN?
[05:51] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: any way to enable it for the LAN?
[05:51] <jdub> not sure if they have a general book in C development with FOSS tools though
[05:51] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, hmm, lemme see
[05:51] <bur[n] er> chombee: lets make it different between night and day even ;)
[05:51] <jdub> bur[n] er: you involved in a colorado lug?
[05:51] <kalias> jdub: thanks I will look into it :))
[05:51] <chombee> bur[n] er - Yeah! I want it to cycle even while in use
[05:52] <chombee> And I don't want it to be a sudden change but a gradual one, like if one background and theme can be made to blend into the next over time
[05:52] <bur[n] er> jdub: i am not... i know there's one here in Boulder, but I only went to their irc channel once, seems they're fedora people :\
[05:52] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, http://www.sagonet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2635
[05:52] <kalias> jdub: while I have you on the line, do you know anything about visual studio .net 2003. I know, it's windows but I may have to use it also.  I tried to install in the other day and it appears to be crap!
[05:53] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i think i have something that may provide more info
[05:53] <chombee> Isn't that a cool idea? Produce a Spring theme and a Summer theme and then lots of themes in between, so that it changes bit by bit each day and you hardly notice but by Summer you have a totally new background and everything
[05:53] <jdub> kalias: you looking for a similar IDE for ubuntu, or want to run VS.NET on ubuntu?
[05:53] <chombee> kalias - it is a total pile of crap, an absolutely horrible program to have to work with
[05:54] <chombee> I worked with it for 8 months and I'm sure it doulbed my stress rates
[05:54] <kalias> jdub: nope, I will run windows on windows.  I can't seem to get that damn thing going so I will use gcc as a backup.
[05:54] <bur[n] er> chombee: seems like a lot of work... and a lot of bandwidth
[05:54] <jdub> bur[n] er: post the annouce to their mailing list - they might be interested, or want to hear about gnome stuff :)
[05:54] <bur[n] er> maybe 1 x quarterly would be cool, but it's more flashy than necessary at this point ;)
[05:54] <kalias> yikes!  I hoped I wasn't going to hear that :((
[05:54] <nickrud> chombee, an interesting idea
[05:54] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: you there?
[05:54] <bur[n] er> jdub: very true... i might actually have to go to one if they're interested
[05:54] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: add logfile = /var/log/log.%m
[05:54] <jdub> chombee: we've done calendar images, but not during the hoary cycle (for silly reasons)
[05:55] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: do you know where I can find out the name of the proftpd module?
[05:55] <kalias> chombee: have you dealt with vs .net 2003?  The darn thing didn't even install properly.
[05:55] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah, im here
[05:55] <chombee> jdub - and weren't the calendar images the ones with the models? I'd prefer nature images
[05:55] <disasm> then we can see what happens in the log file when it starts
[05:55] <jdub> chombee: the first one for hoary didn't
[05:56] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: add that under the [global]  ?
[05:56] <chombee> kalias - yeah I was a pro developer in vs .net 2003, and indeed it failed to install most times for most people while I worked with it, good luck, keep trying
[05:56] <Fred|Fr3d> hey Concord_Dawn
[05:56] <Concord_Dawn> hey hey
[05:56] <kalias> chombee:  The more I work with windows tools, the better I like linux :)
[05:57] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: nm found it
[05:57] <Concord_Dawn> Fred|Fr3d, what you need help with?
[05:57] <zcat[1] > fun little script I just hacked up, scan a barcode and it'll play an associated .wav file ...
[05:57] <chombee> lol - just finished Breezy upgrade, the default image for the 'About Me' is indeed a guy with a beard, and there are no other defaults to choose from
[05:57] <Fred|Fr3d> Concord_Dawn: samba.
[05:57] <Concord_Dawn> ah
[05:58] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah
[05:58] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: its been making default logs anyway. its also now running.
[05:59] <johndarkhorse> kalias: all linux IDEs are free, hows that for love?
[05:59] <iJeffChat> ** I downloaded PPC Ebuntu, now what? do i need to burn the files?
[05:59] <chombee> Awesome! F-Spot has folder navigation
[05:59] <disasm> ah, it's running, thats good
[05:59] <zcat[1] > 'files' ?
[05:59] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: yes, use Disk Utility to burn your iso ti a cd-r
[05:59] <bur[n] er> jdub:  since you're in UI stuff and gnome... know anything about gaim's away window and getting it to minimize... it won't because metacity doesn't allow child windows to minimize and gaim wont' make it a non-child window
[05:59] <zcat[1] > I hope you downloaded an iso or two..
[05:59] <bur[n] er> it's just a bug that is a pet peave, not a big deal though
[06:00] <kalias> johndarkhorse: Yes, it is very good.  Unfortunately the course I am taking says we have to use the windows stuff.  I am going to get gcc going so that I have a backup.  Can you recommend a good linux IDE?
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, get the xchat tray tool
[06:00] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i've noticed that in windows when i try to login, i get the pass box again if the user is invalid. but if the user is valid i get a "permission denied, contact admin" message from windows.
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> er, alltray tool
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> sorry
[06:00] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: what's that have to do with gaim?
[06:00] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: if you add security=share to [global]  it'll make it insecure (anyone on the network can access any share) but you can troubleshoot from there, and then switch it to security=user if you need it
[06:00] <iJeffChat> ** I downloaded PPC Ebuntu, now what? do i need to burn the files?
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, alltray tool
[06:00] <thellama> what are the ubuntu backports repositories
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> then you can minimize anything you need to tray...
[06:00] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats actually pretty easy to fix
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> i think
[06:00] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: that seems like an even more ram using workaround
[06:00] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> used to
[06:00] <mrichman> i followed these instructions to share a printer from ubuntu and now it doesn't even start the cups service
[06:00] <mrichman> http://occy.net/printing
[06:00] <zcat[1] > iJeffChat: normally yes, you burn the install ISO to a CD and then boot the PPC from it..
[06:01] <mrichman> anyone got any ideas
[06:01] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: i don't want to minimize to the tray... i just want ot minimize to the taskbar
[06:01] <adoyretsamon> mrichman, I know occy
[06:01] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: smbpasswd -a <user_name>
[06:01] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, k
[06:01] <johndarkhorse> kalias: this URL may answser some questions http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[06:01] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i've done that, and restarted smbd/nmbd
[06:01] <thellama> what are the ubuntu backports repositories
[06:02] <kalias> johndarkhorse: Thanks :)) I will take a look :)
[06:02] <iJeffChat> ISO 9660 disc?
[06:02] <bur[n] er> !backports
[06:02] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:02] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: btw how should i normally launch swat? typing "swat" in the shell doesnt seem to do it :/
[06:02] <thellama> thanks
[06:02] <disasm> encrypt passwords = true
[06:03] <disasm> add that to [global] 
[06:03] <iJeffChat> ISO 9660 disc?
[06:03] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: pay attention, i answered your question when you asked it the first time
[06:03] <mik3> anyone want to help me tackle my apt-get problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[06:03] <iJeffChat> oh sorry missed it
[06:03] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: i'm not a fan of swat, but open web browser http://localhost:901 i believe
[06:04] <firefly2442> anyone know why Downloader for X quits right when I start it?
[06:04] <Octane> anyone know the differenc between the package flashplayer-mozilla and libflash-mozplugin?
[06:04] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yeah, but i get connection refused. but still i'd rather use the built-in right click -> share command and the config file
[06:04] <bur[n] er> mik3: remove alioth?
[06:04] <nickrud> thellama, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 is a very good list to use
[06:05] <johndarkhorse> mik3 have you tried running your apt again? it looks like your gzip is failing
[06:05] <thellama> thanks nickrud
[06:05] <nickrud> thellama, assuming I'm not sucking hind tit on this answer, I've been in and out
[06:05] <thellama> you have been a great help nickrud! :)
[06:06] <disasm> mik3: comment out the http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org and try apt-get update again
[06:06] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i still get the same errors trying to login :S
[06:06] <nickrud> thellama, thanks, there have been days when that was not the case :)
[06:06] <mik3> i did that
[06:06] <mik3> nothing works
[06:07] <mik3> i've ran update, put fresh repository sites , etc
[06:08] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1917  -  put that in [global] 
[06:09] <Octane> anyon eknow how the hell do i get firefox to play media
[06:09] <Octane> realplayer and all the other crap
[06:09] <jtan325> yea i just quit #ubuntu on bottom, the /j'd it on the top
[06:09] <Octane> i have the win32 codecs installed and realplayer itself too
[06:09] <durt> get mozplugger
[06:09] <jtan325> now it's googly
[06:09] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: then if that works, we'll try switching share to user, but one step at a time, that's a known good working config i use on a server for a client
[06:09] <nickrud> mozplugger :)
[06:10] <disasm> mik3: what about apt-get clean?
[06:11] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: that works, altho i cant write to my share
[06:11] <bur[n] er> mik3: apt-get -f install ?
[06:11] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: chmod the share
[06:11] <cafuego> Seveas: smogges
[06:12] <Seveas> mogh cafuego
[06:12] <Octane> durt: that shit does not work
[06:12] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: that works now too :)
[06:12] <disasm> mik3: i'm scared to ask but what did you do to get it in this state? try upgrading to breezy? or the dreadful backports?
[06:12] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i created a folder and a file, however both are now owned by "nobody" >_<
[06:12] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: you can try switching security to user and see if it still works
[06:13] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: one sec :-)
[06:13] <thellama> I added the hoary backports (source and binary) and hoary extras. Is this ok on breezy?
[06:13] <durt> mozplugger definitely does work
[06:13] <thellama> *repositories
[06:13] <nickrud> thellama, probably pointless, since most stuff in backports is backported from breezy, if I understand correctly.
[06:13] <thellama> oh, ok!
[06:14] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: add force user=<your user here> to the share line
[06:14] <thellama> what about the extras?
[06:14] <Davey> Hrm, Ubuntu doesn't start into Gnome anymore, what can I do to fix it?
[06:14] <mrichman> i followed these instructions to share a printer from ubuntu and now it doesn't even start the cups service when i try and start it i get cupsd: Child exited with status 98!
[06:14] <mrichman> are there utils like RH has available on ubuntu
[06:15] <bur[n] er> mrichman: like?
[06:15] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: access denied to entire PC
[06:15] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1918 - sample share line
[06:15] <adoyretsamon> LOL
[06:15] <nickrud> mrichman, I'm gonna jump on that, ubuntu has much better utils than redhat
[06:15] <bur[n] er> Davey: pick gnome from your login manager?
[06:15] <XplOzIon> hi
[06:15] <mrichman> system-cofig-printer
[06:15] <bur[n] er> mrichman: ubuntu uses gnome tools... gnome has a printer config app
[06:16] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats with security=user i presume? add the user/pass you use on the desktop to the ubuntu samba server
[06:16] <bur[n] er> system -> administration -> printing
[06:16] <iJeffChat> **Whaat
[06:16] <mrichman> nickrud: what are they the default one couldn't share it
[06:16] <iJeffChat> **What's the Mac key to boot to disc?
[06:16] <mrichman> got that
[06:16] <jdub> iJeffChat: hold C
[06:16] <Seveas> iJeffChat, C
[06:16] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I don't get the graphical login anymore
[06:16] <disasm> iJeffChat: c
[06:16] <iJeffChat> thx
[06:16] <jdub> iJeffChat: please don't start all your questions with **
[06:16] <nickrud> mrichman, I'm not sure I got that, what do you mean
[06:16] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: hold the C after the chime
[06:16] <bur[n] er> Davey, dpkg-reconfigure dgm
[06:16] <iJeffChat> bbl installing now
[06:16] <bur[n] er> er..
[06:17] <Octane> durt: do i have to do anything special to get mozplugger working?
[06:17] <bur[n] er> Davey: from a term, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:17] <Davey> thanks
[06:17] <mrichman> then i had to manually edit the config perinstructions on the web and cups is now broken
[06:17] <durt> octane: whats not working?
[06:17] <Davey> brb
[06:17] <disasm> i hate gnomes printer tool, i ended up compiling cups from source so i could use the web interface...
[06:17] <Octane> durt: nothing, realplayer, flash none of my god damn plugins work and they are all sitting in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins with appropriate symlinks from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[06:18] <Octane> and i installed everything from packages
[06:18] <disasm> Octane: about:plugins in firefox shows nothing?
[06:18] <Octane> disasm: it shows them
[06:18] <nickrud> disasm, sudo adduser cupsys shadow, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart, use localhost:631, edit to your taste.
[06:18] <durt> if i want to run some commands at boot, how can i do this? should i create a new script in /etc/init.d?
[06:18] <nickrud> no recompile necessary
[06:18] <Octane> durt: no just add it to /etc/rc.local
[06:19] <Octane> rerr thats fedora
[06:19] <disasm> nickrud: where were you when i was asking how to do this 3 months ago ;-)
[06:19] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: no difference, i still cant login :S
[06:19] <johndarkhorse> Octane: what hardware are you running?
[06:19] <nickrud> here, just not at the time :)
[06:19] <Octane> durt i mean ln -s the command you want to run in /etc/rc.d/init.d/
[06:19] <Octane> johndarkhorse: amd64 BUT i am using a 32bit chroot
[06:19] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: you did adduser and smbpasswd -a for the windows user/pass right?
[06:19] <johndarkhorse> Octane: ah. well i dont know anythning about chroot, sorry
[06:20] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yup. same username as the one i'm on now... or should it not match a unix user?
[06:20] <disasm> Octane: ah, now it makes a bit more sense, i've been considering doing that, just been too lazy as of late
[06:20] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: if it matches, you won't get a prompt :)
[06:20] <mrichman> my cupsys won't restart is my issue now
[06:20] <wizo> i still cant play wmv files after having the updated w32 codecs, any ideas?
[06:20] <bur[n] er> if it doesn't, you do
[06:20] <bur[n] er> wizo: totem-xine ?
[06:20] <disasm> ok, so the user is the same for windows and linux and password is same too, right?
[06:20] <wizo> totem xine?
[06:20] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well its the same username and password so i really dont get whats wrong
[06:20] <wizo> hmm, i used totem, and xine, but nto totem-xine yet
[06:21] <bur[n] er> wizo: apt-get install totem-xine
[06:21] <dennis__> Hello
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well the windows username is different
[06:21] <wizo> ok i`ll tyr that
[06:21] <Davey> OK, that didn't help, the problem is X isn't starting :/
[06:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: you should get a prompt then
[06:21] <Davey> bur[n] er, ^^ :)
[06:21] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats what you need to do, add the windows user name with the windows password via adduser and smbpasswd -a
[06:21] <bur[n] er> Davey: you're welcome ;)
[06:21] <dennis__> Is there a command for ubuntu that is similar to BSD's 'uprecords'?
[06:21] <dennis__> Anyone know of one?
[06:21] <XplOzIon> anyone here uses Ubuntu 64bits?
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> bur[n] er: i do. i enter the same username and pass i did smbpasswd -a with, and it says denied
[06:21] <nickrud> mrichman, sudo aptitude reinstall cupsys should get you the base cups install back
[06:21] <disasm> XplOzIon: yup
[06:21] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I was saying it didn't help ;)
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: thats *very* hard; the windows username is root
[06:21] <dennis__> !uptime
[06:22] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: did you really make a linux user for that smbpasswd -a?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> or did you just make an smb passwd
[06:22] <Davey> bur[n] er, the problem is that Xorg isn't starting, GDM seems to be starting
[06:22] <bur[n] er> there has to be a real linux user
[06:22] <dennis__> ?ubuntu
[06:22] <dennis__> Err
[06:22] <dennis__> !ubuntu uptime
[06:22] <ubotu> dennis__: Are you on ritalin?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> GDM can't start without X ;)
[06:22] <dennis__> Hmm
[06:22] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah, that makes things slightly insecure...
[06:22] <XplOzIon> disasm: is it a pain to manage?
[06:22] <mrichman> nickrud thanks working on that now
[06:22] <bur[n] er> Davey: do you get any gui whatsoever?  do you see username entry?
[06:22] <haja> I am having trouble getting open gl games to run smooth on Ubuntu... anyone?
[06:22] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: can you create a new user on the windows machine with your user/pass on ubuntu?
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, I'm on command line
[06:23] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yup, one sec
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, when it boot
[06:23] <Davey> s
[06:23] <dennis__> Is there a command for ubuntu that is similar to BSD's 'uprecords'?
[06:23] <Davey> then I startx and it starts gnome
[06:23] <dennis__> Or that will tell me my uptime?
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe?
[06:23] <Davey> dennis__, uptime
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: and that works?
[06:23] <Madpilot> dennis__: "uptime"?
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, yes
[06:23] <dennis__> lol
[06:23] <dennis__> Thanks
[06:23] <dennis__> :/
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: so gdm isn't starting, but X works
[06:23] <`paul> how do i clean apt-get manually??? i mean broken packages...
[06:23] <Madpilot> !tell dennis__ about cli
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:23] <dennis__> cli?
[06:23] <disasm> XplOzIon: nope, i don't do anything crazy though, ssh sessions, fluxbox, firefox, audio apps, occasionally openoffice (which won't print currently), and thunderbird
[06:23] <bigcx2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, how will that help? :)
[06:24] <dennis__> !tell dennis__  about cli
[06:24] <dennis__> Hmm
[06:24] <bur[n] er> it will make gdm start ;)
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, I don't want to reconfigure xorg, you have no idea what hell I had to go through to get it working
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, when I "startx" it puts me straight into my gnome desktop
[06:24] <bur[n] er> Davey: ok... so X works, gnome works... you just want a gui login?
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, correct :)
[06:24] <bur[n] er> in that case... reconfigure gdm
[06:24] <Davey> well I want Xorg to start on bootup :)
[06:24] <bur[n] er> and then start it
[06:24] <XplOzIon> disasm the thing is im looking for some info before i install it, because b2s LONG ago told me that he had to create another partition for 32bit aplications, do you know anything about this?
[06:24] <Davey> that didn't work
[06:24] <Madpilot> dennis__: the BasicCommands page has a dozen or so useful Linux commands explained (sounds like you know BSD already?)
[06:24] <dennis__> :P
[06:24] <bur[n] er> how "didn't" it work?
[06:24] <dennis__> Okay
[06:24] <dennis__> Thanks
[06:25] <bur[n] er> you get configure errors?
[06:25] <wizo> bur[n] er: then do i do killall gnome-panel ?
[06:25] <Davey> bur[n] er, no change in my startup, still at CLI login
[06:25] <haja> I am having trouble getting open gl games to run smooth on Ubuntu... anyone?
[06:25] <nickrud> Davey, then, sudo aptitude install gdm, that will get you a gui startup
[06:25] <aru> what program would I run to see in my mic is workijng?
[06:25] <Jaivaz> This person is asking me about a "My Computer" icon that goes on your desktop and shows you your hardware and such.
[06:25] <XplOzIon> haja what game?
[06:25] <bigcx2> what problems are you having haja
[06:25] <bur[n] er> Davey: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:25] <Jaivaz> What the hell is he talking about?
[06:25] <Jaivaz> He's talking about Ubuntu, too.
[06:25] <bur[n] er> wizo: why?
[06:25] <disasm> XplOzIon: i dont run any 32 bit apps, you don't need a separate partition, but you do need a chroot, what 32 bit apps do you need?
[06:25] <haja> anything I try to play. I tried FooBilliards or Neverball and nothing
[06:25] <haja> Just like 3 fps
[06:26] <bigcx2> but they actually do run
[06:26] <wizo> bur[n] er: no idea, to see if it is in my icons?
[06:26] <nickrud> aru, applications->sound & video ->sound recorder
[06:26] <bur[n] er> wizo: just run totem ;)
[06:26] <wizo> ohhh
[06:26] <Tortel> i need help installing wine
[06:26] <bur[n] er> wizo: installing totem-xine makes totem use a xine backend instead of a gstreamer
[06:26] <XplOzIon> disasm, nothings specially, i was just looking for some info
[06:26] <wizo> icic
[06:26] <Davey> bur[n] er, does nothing, not even [OK] , but like I said, when I run "startx" I'm already *in* Gnome (previous session)
[06:26] <wizo> so i can uninstall the xine that i downloaded?
[06:26] <bigcx2> haja: sounds like somebody needs some non-generic drivers...
[06:26] <disasm> Tortel: apt-get install wine i think it's in universe, but could be wrong
[06:26] <bur[n] er> Davey: install kdm instead ;)
[06:26] <XplOzIon> haja: what video card you use? did you install the drivers?
[06:27] <Tortel> i edited the package manager, but it gets 404 errors while downloading packages
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, rofl
[06:27] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo apt-get install kdm :)
[06:27] <bur[n] er> that'll work i bet
[06:27] <aru> I'm getting noithing trhere
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I want gdm
[06:27] <haja> I installed the xorg fglrx off synap
[06:27] <bigcx2> yes definately install the drivers if you are going to be playing games
[06:27] <disasm> XplOzIon: ati 64 bit drivers for xorg worked fine for me
[06:27] <haja> 9800 Pro 128mb
[06:27] <nickrud> bur[n] er, this ubuntu, not kubuntu :)
[06:27] <bur[n] er> Davey:  you definately have gdm right?
[06:27] <Quinthius> haja: after installing the driver you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver from "ait" to "fglrx", and then restart X (easy way: reboot)
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, yup
[06:27] <bigcx2> haja: what do you get when you run glxgears
[06:27] <XplOzIon> disasm: i was answerinf haja =P
[06:28] <bur[n] er> nickrud: i just want a gui login for him ;)  gdm should work, but kdm might be a nice thing to help troubleshoot
[06:28] <XplOzIon> haja: did you installed its drivers?
[06:28] <Davey> bur[n] er, using synaptics to reinstall xserver-xorg and gdm
[06:28] <bur[n] er> Davey: close out of gnome, then run the gdm start thing  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:28] <haja> I believe so using synap
[06:28] <nickrud> true. maybe try dpkg -l gdm?
[06:28] <haja> Let me configure that. One second
[06:28] <Davey> the "gdm start thing" ?
[06:28] <XplOzIon> haja: ok
[06:28] <Quinthius> haja: if you don't feel comfortable editing xorg.conf, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and accept defaults for most settings except the driver selection, choose fglrx
[06:28] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:29] <disasm> Davey: quit gnome, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start, if that doesn't work sudo apt-get --reinstall install gdm i think will reinstall it
[06:29] <Davey> bur[n] er, oh, read "gdm start thing' and /etc/init.d/gem start :)
[06:29] <haja> In the section "Device"
[06:29] <Davey> bur[n] er, like I said, the gdm init script seems to do nothing :/
[06:29] <haja> Change driver from "ati" to fglrx?
[06:29] <Quinthius> haja: yes... there should only be one entry that says "ati" anywhere, iirc
[06:29] <Davey> lets see what happens with the reinstall
[06:29] <Quinthius> haja: yup
[06:29] <haja> ok
[06:29] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i have to change the computer name, sorry to take so long
[06:29] <CyberDoo> Anyone have a solution for a disappearing /dev/dsp?
[06:30] <disasm> no prob
[06:30] <haja> Going to restart. I'll be back, Thanks guys
[06:30] <Quinthius> haja: then you have to restart the X server. not sure if logging out will do that, might want to just reboot to make sure
[06:30] <bigcx2> everyone telling Davey to restart gdm by using /etc/init.d should definately check out invoke-rc.d
[06:30] <XplOzIon> haja: no problem
[06:30] <bur[n] er> bigcx2: why?
[06:30] <crimsun> CyberDoo: that seems a little odd. What application(s) is(are) looking for /dev/dsp?
[06:30] <bigcx2> man invoke-rc.d
[06:30] <nickrud> bigcx2, that is a non starter
[06:30] <CyberDoo> Music Player.
[06:30] <nickrud> it's all the same
[06:31] <bigcx2> it's there for a reason
[06:31] <bur[n] er> bigcx2: seems like the same thing to me ;)
[06:31] <durt> thanks octane, i just put all the commands in a script and save it as /etc/init.d/somethingrandom.sh - is that ok?
[06:31] <disasm> ooh, new openoffice to dist-upgrade *wonders if print will work now...*
[06:31] <nickrud> bigcx2, yes, for maintainer scripts, for a user, it's irrelevant
[06:31] <benplaut> snyone here with a slow system on breezy?
[06:31] <Octane> durt: thats perfect... but you put it in the wrong place. put it in /etc/rc.d/init.d
[06:31] <bigcx2> yea i guess i'm just picky
[06:31] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Music Player for one.
[06:31] <Octane> unless init.d is a symlink
[06:31] <wizo> erm , i get het error saying: Unknown(Anabolic)
[06:32] <wizo> the*
[06:32] <benplaut> slow, slow :P
[06:32] <nickrud> bigcx2, so am I most of the time
[06:32] <Octane> durt: no i am correct
[06:32] <benplaut> page me, i'm half away
[06:32] <disasm> Octane: actually he's right, then update-rc.d somethingrandom.sh defaults
[06:32] <crimsun> CyberDoo: Music Player uses GNOME's settings, so that's a sign of something lower level. What's the result of clicking Test in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Audio Sink?
[06:32] <durt> octane, i have no rc.d folder, but i have some rc(number here).d folders
[06:33] <Octane> hm
[06:33] <bigcx2> update-rc.d {scriptname} defaults {startorder}
[06:33] <Octane> bigcx2: nice didnt know of that cmd
[06:33] <disasm> durt: the proper place is /etc/init.d/script.sh then update-rc.d script.sh defaults
[06:33] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: OMG!! it WORKS!! :O
[06:34] <bur[n] er> good work fred
[06:34] <wizo> bur[n] er: totem says Unknown - Anabolic
[06:34] <durt> thanks guys :)
[06:34] <haja> alright, I edited that and still getting no improve ment
[06:34] <bur[n] er> wizo: won't play it?
[06:34] <wizo> nope
[06:34] <Fred|Fr3d> nah, good work disasm :D
[06:34] <haja> improvement*
[06:34] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks loads :D
[06:34] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: awesome, now assuming you have windows 2000 or xp pro, you can start all over again and setup samba as a pdc ;-) j/k unless you really want to
[06:34] <bigcx2> haja: what is it telling you when you run glxgears of glxinfo
[06:34] <bur[n] er> wizo: that's all i have, and i can play .wmv files... w32codecs & totem-xine
[06:35] <haja> Let me instal it
[06:35] <wizo> i installed w32codecs like on ubuntuguide.org
[06:35] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: pdc? domain controller?
[06:35] <bur[n] er> pdc?
[06:35] <wizo> its updated
[06:35] <bigcx2> you shouldn't have to
[06:35] <oofnik> guys i need some gnome help
[06:35] <CyberDoo> crimsun: When pressing test, it comes back with nothing but a popup window saying press ok to finish and nothing else occurs.
[06:35] <oofnik> i royally screwed up my panels
[06:35] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah
[06:35] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Current output is OSS.
[06:35] <haja> aparently it installs with X and I'm dumb... how do I run it?
[06:36] <bigcx2> command line
[06:36] <haja> ok...
[06:36] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well no i wont be doing that yet. perhaps i'll test it if i can get my other server up though ;-)
[06:36] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Course ALSA comes back with a feedback sound.
[06:36] <crimsun> CyberDoo: but do you hear anything?
[06:36] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats when samba gets fun, having it give access rights to the users on the systems, and getting creating a user on windows to automatically add the user to the linux machine as well
[06:36] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Not under OSS, ALSA does and ESD doesn't.
[06:36] <haja> Where would you like me to paste bigcx2
[06:37] <bigcx2> does it say something like missing glx display
[06:37] <haja> When I try to run it?
[06:37] <bigcx2> yea
[06:37] <crimsun> CyberDoo: so if you leave it set to alsasink, does Music Player work?
[06:37] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well there will only be about 3 or 4 pcs accessing this server, and only one user on each of them, so i dont think its worth it... but sounds fun to play with :-)
[06:37] <Fred|Fr3d> also one of the pcs is only xp home, not pro
[06:38] <haja> No... its running fast
[06:38] <haja> whats the paste channel again?
[06:38] !lilo:*! Hi all. beu wants me to wallop to let you know he's not a freenode staffer. We like him, though.
[06:38] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Ah, yes.....
[06:38] <Quinthius> haja: try fglrxinfo instead
[06:38] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah xp home wont play with samba as a pdc sadly...
[06:38] <bigcx2> well you have some sort of 3d support if you're actually getting gears spinning
[06:38] <haja> I was averaging about 400 fps in that
[06:39] <Zotnix> Anyone familiar with the command-line applet macro syntax? In hoary it had, by default http:// support. Can't seem to get that working again :p
[06:39] <bigcx2> yea with that kind of speed you don't have the driver properly installed or loaded with the kind of card you have
[06:39] <Madpilot> !tell haja about paste
[06:39] <haja> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1919
[06:39] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Should anything happen under default source?
[06:39] <VoX> any idea when vlc is going to be in breezy? totem is utter crap..
[06:40] <pundai> hey guys, are the ubuntu kernels patched
[06:40] <haja> hehe.. forgot it was in topic :D
[06:40] <crimsun> CyberDoo: don't mess with default source
[06:40] <crimsun> pundai: heavily
[06:40] <pundai> crimsun, friggin hell
[06:40] <pundai> where do i get the source from
[06:40] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Okay. Thank you again for the assistence.
[06:40] <pundai> the source used for the kernel i have that s
[06:40] <pundai> is
[06:40] <Madpilot> haja: the "Mesa" stuff means you don't have drivers installed - that's the defaults - what card?
[06:40] <haja> 9800 pro
[06:40] <bimberi> pundai: the repositories - look for linux-source-*
[06:40] <Quinthius> haja: oh, wait, you prolly aren't loading the fglrx module. look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:40] <crimsun> pundai: linux-tree-2.6.10
[06:40] <pundai> hrm
[06:41] <Madpilot> !tell haja about ati
[06:41] <Fred|Fr3d> well thanks again disasm :D
[06:41] <pundai> i searched for linux in synaptic didnt get any interesting bites
[06:41] <zcat[1] > try 'kernel'
[06:41] <XplOzIon> lol
[06:41] <crimsun> pundai: linux-tree-2.6.10 is the metapackage that contains the patched source and the patch tree that Ubuntu uses
[06:42] <pundai> crimsun, found it
[06:42] <pundai> thanks
[06:42] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: no problem, i think im heading to bed soon, almost one and i'm going rock climbing at 9 tomorrow morning
[06:42] <haja> Ok well using synap I installed the xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:42] <pundai> now lets see if i can get this biatch to use my 2GB of ram
[06:42] <haja> Then I just went and changed the ati to the fglrx...
[06:42] <Fred|Fr3d> its 5:44am here... bedtime for me too ^_^
[06:42] <Hergiswi> Anyone willing to help someone stuck with Warty?
[06:42] <cafuego> pundai: The precompiled kernels support up to 4GB ram by default.
[06:42] <bigcx2> haja: did you restart X
[06:42] <nickrud> Fred|Fr3d, you must be a student
[06:42] <durt> good idea fred
[06:42] <zcat[1] > haja: did the sane for nvidia.. to easy
[06:42] <disasm> Hergiswi: whats the problem?
[06:42] <haja> I rebooted
[06:42] <Quinthius> haja: that's fine, but you need to do step 2 under the Hoary section on that page
[06:43] <AlexMBas> fglrx driver is the OpenGL accelerated X modification ?
[06:43] <oofnik> hey guys can someone please help me with my stupid panels that i screwed up?
[06:43] <cafuego> pundai: the i386 installer flavour might be an exception.
[06:43] <Hergiswi> I don't know how to mount harddrives
[06:43] <Hergiswi> =\
[06:43] <bigcx2> yea follow the nice guides ubuntu has :)
[06:43] <haja> Ok, let me try that
[06:43] <pundai> cafuego, is centrino 686?
[06:43] <Quinthius> haja: and then reboot again... shouldn't have to redo the other steps
[06:43] <cafuego> pundai: yep
[06:43] <haja> I thought I went thru this before but let me try again
[06:43] <Fred|Fr3d> nickrud: yup pretty much.
[06:43] <zcat[1] > reboot?
[06:43] <durt> how are they screwed up oofnik?
[06:43] <pundai> cafuego, i might give that a go then
[06:43] <nickrud> I mean, 5am? :)
[06:43] <zcat[1] > you should only have to restart gdm
[06:44] <haja> brb guys
[06:44] <disasm> Hergiswi: external or internal drives?
[06:44] <durt> i will brb too
[06:44] <pundai> so cafuego what should i search for in synaptic
[06:45] <cafuego> pundai: linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[06:45] <cafuego> (I think)
 Hergiswi: external or internal drives?
[06:45] <Hergiswi> they're windows drives
[06:45] <Hergiswi> that's all I know
[06:45] <pundai> ok cafuego i'll try that
[06:45] <pundai> thanks
[06:45] <nickrud> pundai, linux-686 is what you want
[06:45] <VoX> any idea when vlc is going to be in breezy? totem is utter crap..
[06:45] <nickrud> it will keep up with the latest kernel releases
[06:46] <disasm> Hergiswi: ah, try this: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:46] <nerdy2> VoX, any reason you dislike totem?
[06:46] <oofnik> durt: well everything I add to my panels crashes wnck-applet
[06:46] <nickrud> pundai, apt-cache show linux-686 will tell you about it
[06:46] <VoX> nerdy2: it wont play .avi?
[06:47] <pundai> nickrud, thank you i found it!
[06:47] <oofnik> durt i need some way to reset the gnome panel configuration to default
[06:47] <nerdy2> VoX, if you use totem-xine [or fool around with pitfdll]  it will
[06:47] <Seveas> Hergiswi: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[06:47] <nerdy2> VoX, totem-xine, and vlc are available in the universe
[06:47] <Quinthius> anyone had any problem with Azureus continually wanting to upgrade to 2.3.0.4 after every restart?
[06:48] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: yup
[06:48] <mrichman> ok cups is back up and running but now i can't configure anythin in the webinterface cause it wants a pass but not roots
[06:48] <bur[n] er> !tell vox about repositories
[06:48] <Quinthius> bur[n] er: know any fix for it?
[06:48] <disasm> Quinthius: no but thats probly cause ive never used it, what is it a bittorent client?
[06:49] <nickrud> mrichman, sudo adduser cupsys shadow, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart ; then go to the web interface
[06:49] <Hergiswi> chris@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:49] <Hergiswi> Password:
[06:49] <Hergiswi> mount: error while guessing filesystem type
[06:49] <Hergiswi> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:49] <cafuego> disasm: No, shitty 3rd party closed-source software.
[06:49] <Quinthius> disasm: yeah, java bt client. it's a hog but i like all the features
[06:49] <VoX> nerdy2: yes, but vlc has a pile of unmet dependencies
[06:49] <nickrud> after you're done, sudo deluser cupsys shadow ; sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:49] <Roots> Roots?
[06:50] <cafuego> Bloody Roots?
[06:50] <durt> yay - it worked: life is much easier now :)
[06:50] <disasm> cafuego: yeah, thats why i use bittornado when i need a bittorrent
[06:50] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: tools, options, interface, start, uncheck the box that says check for updates
[06:50] <disasm> which is very seldom
[06:50] <cafuego> disasm: I use btdownloadcurses
[06:50] <Quinthius> bur[n] er: well, aside from that :P ... it doesn't seem to actually be applying the 2.3.0.4 update...
[06:51] <oofnik> hey does anyone know how to reset the gnome panels completely, as in to back how they were when the system was installed
[06:51] <Hergiswi> disasm, how would I add my filesystem type to that second command?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: it can't i know
[06:51] <nerdy2> VoX, then try totem-xine with w32codecs
[06:51] <VoX> bur[n] er: are those repositries going to work for breezy?
[06:51] <cafuego> Hergiswi: insert a '-t vfat' or '-t ntfs'
[06:51] <bur[n] er> VoX: s/hoary/breezy
[06:51] <VoX> bur[n] er: rux
[06:51] <disasm> cafuego: yeah, thats what i use too, i thought that was bittornado
[06:52] <bur[n] er> VoX: you're using breezy but don't know about .avi movies?
[06:52] <durt> oofnik: killall gnome-panel
[06:52] <durt> oofnik: nevermind
[06:52] <oofnik> no durt that just reloads it, i want to completely reset all settings.. hah
[06:52] <phrizer> Hm, when broswing the network, i click on a share and 'mount' it using the file manager. This creates a link on the desktop to to those shares. But how can i now access those mounts in non-gnome applications? Is there no real mount point?
[06:52] <Hergiswi> chris@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs
[06:52] <Hergiswi> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[06:52] <oofnik> ahh my panels are royally screwed...
[06:52] <VoX> bur[n] er: i'm using breezy due to a recommendation from a friend, owing to the fact i'm using an amd64
[06:52] <cafuego> off to the panel beater's then
[06:52] <bur[n] er> phrizer: it's just gnome-vfs, not a real mount point
[06:53] <Orborde> Why is it that, when I view the man pages for anything in the GUI'd terminal, and press Page Up to go up a page, it goes ueber-slow and maxes out my processor?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> VoX: aww
[06:53] <nickrud> Hergiswi, try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:53] <cafuego> Hergiswi: Can you plase stop pasting multi-line errors?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> !tell vox about restrictedformats
[06:53] <cafuego> and perhaps use the brain
[06:53] <Hergiswi> sorry
[06:53] <disasm> Hergiswi: try fdisk -l you should see something that says ntfs
[06:53] <durt> you could reinstall gnome-panel maybe, oofnik
[06:53] <nickrud> Hergiswi, sometimes, order does matter
[06:53] <cafuego> If ntfs didn't work, try vfat
[06:53] <oofnik> nope durt tried that
[06:53] <bigcx2> Vox: is breezy that much nicer for amd64
[06:53] <jtan325> how do i get ndiswrapper module to be loaded on bootup?
[06:53] <bigcx2> that's what i'm running to
[06:53] <phrizer> bur[n] er,  yeah i figured that, is there no way to have an option under file manager to create a real mount point?
[06:53] <oofnik> durt it's a local issue, if i log into gnome as a different user it's okay
[06:53] <bigcx2> jtan325: add it to /etc/modules
[06:53] <phrizer> or do i have to use sudo mount manually?
[06:53] <disasm> Hergiswi: in general /dev/hda1 is where windows is, but not always
[06:53] <bur[n] er> phrizer: none i know of
[06:53] <jtan325> thanks bigcx2
[06:54] <bigcx2> np
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: well it installed and run perfectly
[06:54] <mrichman> nickrud after i do that it still asks me for a CUPS password when try to change anything
[06:54] <cafuego> jtan325: run 'ndiswrapper -m' and set up the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces; that'll autoload the lot.
[06:54] !lilo:*! Added faq: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fromunreg ("How can I receive private messages from unregistered users?")
[06:54] <nickrud> mrichman, then, root and it's password should work
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: and i spent about a week with debian sid trying to get it to play ball, without success
[06:54] <bigcx2> yea but is there anything there that hoary doesn't have
[06:54] <disasm> phrizer: if i remember right gkrellm has a utility for mounting/unmounting partitions
[06:54] <vu> Anybody care to give me a nutshell shpeal as to why this and not Fedora Core4. NO wars please.
[06:54] <nickrud> mrichman, you may need to create a root password
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: dont know, never used hoary
[06:55] <bigcx2> ah
[06:55] <VoX> this is my first time using ubuntu
[06:55] <Hergiswi> Uh, I mounted the drives, but now it says I don't have permission to view the /mnt/windows folder
[06:55] <cafuego> vu: it's not shit.
[06:55] <phrizer> disasm,  does that work for samba mounts?
[06:55] <vu> cafuego,  Tha's a pretty elaborate reason heheheh great
[06:55] <cafuego> vu: well, it's a summary.
[06:55] <bigcx2> disasm: there's plenty of reasons
[06:55] <durt> oofnik: im not sure what config file the panel info is stored it, but try and find it as a user in which the gnome-panel works, then replace the bad one with that or something
[06:56] <bigcx2> first of all apt is definately the best package management tool
[06:56] <vu> cafuego,  Ma tu sei franchese?
[06:56] <nickrud> vu, I trust the 1000+ vetted devs that do debian, and by extention, ubuntu. Does fedora have that?
[06:56] <disasm> bigcx2: plenty of reasons for what?
[06:56] <cafuego> vu: Non, je ne suis pa francais.
[06:56] <oofnik> durt i tried that too.. couldn't find the one that works
[06:57] <bigcx2> going with ubuntu and not fc4
[06:57] <cafuego> vu: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ ... and add to that better integration and ease of use for desktop users.
[06:57] <oofnik> i tried to replace the whole panel folder in ~/gconf/apps/something and it didn't change a thing
[06:58] <Hergiswi> how can I make it so I'm actually allowed to view my /mnt/ folders?
[06:58] <cafuego> vu: also see http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
[06:58] <Cashel> Can anyone tell me how to determine the numbers usbmodules requires to create a device? Trying to get a usr 5605 modem working...
[06:58] <vu> cafuego, Still don't get it Fedora is like over 50% of all Linux installations
[06:58] <iJeffChat> hey installed ubuntu.. how can i get airport on powerbook working?
[06:58] <nickrud> cafuego, I hadn't manoj's talk there, thanks
[06:58] <disasm> Hergiswi: i cant think off the top of my head the params to force rw permissions with mount
[06:58] <bigcx2> vu: go check out distrowatch.org
[06:58] <mae> man TUX magazine sure has a slant towards KDE
[06:58] <cafuego> vu; Yeah. By that reasoning you should be on Windows.
[06:58] <bigcx2> lol
[06:59] <bur[n] er> vu: where's that fedora stat from?
[06:59] <iJeffChat> Does airport express on powerbook work with ubuntu?
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: No.
[06:59] <iJeffChat> ouch really?
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: really.
[06:59] <iJeffChat> hmm too far from router
[06:59] <vu> cafuego, Hmm....all the servers/applications are the same for all distros. It's just the location of some system files that is different. Correct?
[06:59] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: what kind of mac do you have?
[06:59] <iJeffChat> Powerbook
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: If your have a free pcmcia slot, a cheap orinoco 802.11b card will work fine, though.
[06:59] <vu> bur[n] er,   I made it up  ;-)
[07:00] <iJeffChat> I have an airport express card..
[07:00] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: new powerbook? airport extreme doesnt work with linux
[07:00] <bigcx2> vu: packaging with debian packages is far superior if you haven't noticed
[07:00] <iJeffChat> external card?
[07:00] <cafuego> iJeffChat: *nod*
[07:00] <durt> oofnik, have you tried replaceing everything that has a "g" in its name?
[07:00] <iJeffChat> I have the airport express external card, need a driver?
[07:00] <cafuego> iJeffChat: Braodcom won't release specs for the built-in one, so nobody can write a driver.
[07:00] <vu> Yes the YUM thing sux
[07:00] <mae> Do you guys think that ubuntu's popularity will revive Gnome from the grave? :)
[07:00] <bigcx2> especially from a sysadmin standpoint
[07:00] <vu> And brakes all other good stuff.
[07:00] <bigcx2> exactly
[07:00] <iJeffChat> Powerbook 17"
[07:00] <durt> oofnik: nevermind - replace ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[07:01] <iJeffChat> That's new right?
[07:01] <bigcx2> it's incredibly easy to roll your own packages too
[07:01] <bigcx2> makes sysadmin shit a snap
[07:01] <oofnik> yeah durt that's what i did
[07:01] <matthew_w> How do I run a .sh script?
[07:01] <nickrud> mae, we love trolls here :)
[07:01] <oofnik> didn't change a thing
[07:01] <cafuego> vu: The main reason is that security updates and full systems upgrades are pretty much automatic and hassle-free.
[07:01] <vu> I actually ned to dual boot macOSX and some Linux variant.
[07:01] <iJeffChat> Do i need seperate driver for the external card?
[07:01] <durt> oofnik: wait - what is the problem exactly?
[07:01] <cafuego> vu: The less time wasted admining, the better.
[07:01] <vu> cafuego,  Like OSX right?
[07:01] <Madpilot> mae: looks awfully alive for something grave-bound... you'll have to try another troll...
[07:02] <bigcx2> matthew_w: /path/to/script.sh or ./script if you're in the same directory
[07:02] <cafuego> vu: yes, except you don't need to reboot after updates ;-)
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: any ideas on USB wifi stick?
[07:02] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: avoid!
[07:02] <oofnik> durt it's not really a very specific problem, but whenever I add certain applets to my panels, wnck-applet crashes
[07:02] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: anything listed on prism54.org
[07:02] <matthew_w> bigcx2; that's what I thought but I get permission denied, even if I do it as root..
[07:02] <mrichman> ok now how do i find the path to the queue
[07:02] <vu> cafuego, A minor inconvenience but the rewords are huge  ;-)
[07:02] <oofnik> and also whenever i launch nautilus from a launcher, it crashes, and re-opens itself twice
[07:02] <bigcx2> chmod +x filename
[07:02] <cafuego> iJeffChat: If the card is supported by the kernel, no.
[07:03] <cafuego> vu: No, OSX makes you reboot when say Samba is updated; that's not necessary.
[07:03] <VoX> bur[n] er: even with the repositries added, it still wont install vlc due to unmet dependencies
[07:03] <matthew_w> Thanks :D
[07:03] <bigcx2> np
[07:03] <cafuego> iJeffChat: http://www.petitiononline.com/BCM4301/petition.html
[07:03] <aru> hope my mic isnt broken :)
[07:04] <nickrud> mrichman, the cups spool? /var/spool/cups
[07:04] <VoX> bur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1920
[07:04] <mrichman> nickrud no noe the RH config asks for the server and path
[07:04] <vu> Ok I have just been converted. Whats the initiation procedure for the fraternity.
[07:05] <bigcx2> do an install
[07:05] <bigcx2> :)
[07:05] <nickrud> mrichman, the last time I saw a redhat config question was in 2001; I can't help there.
[07:05] <dazvid> Does anyone use a creative audigy 2 soundcard here?
[07:05] <nickrud> or, maybe 2000?
[07:05] <cafuego> either way it belongs on #fedora
[07:05] <Madpilot> vu: try out the LiveCD?
[07:05] <haja> Ok, I am getting this error in my Xorg.0.log  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1921
[07:05] <mrichman> how would you setup an ubuntu queue for it
[07:05] <cafuego> vu: What sort of mac you got?
[07:06] <vu> Agh yes anyone know if any financial institutions are using Ubuntu?
[07:06] <disasm> Hergiswi: sudo echo /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0 << /etc/fstab   -  make sure hda1 is your windows partition, then just sudo umount /mnt/windows; sudo chmod 777 /mnt/windows; mount /mnt/windows      -     and you should be able to view your files
[07:06] <crimsun> dazvid: volume issues?
[07:06] <cafuego> vu: If they are, they'd never admit it publically.
[07:06] <bigcx2> very true
[07:06] <vu> cafuego, I have a couple of iBooks 12"
[07:07] <cafuego> vu: They'll run Ubuntu PPC okay, but airport express won't work.
[07:07] <mrichman> nickrud: how would you setup an ubuntu queue for it
[07:07] <mrichman> like on another machine
[07:07] <haja> Ok, I am getting this error in my Xorg.0.log  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1921
[07:07] <vu> cafuego, There you go.
[07:07] <mae> Madpilot, nickrud, I am not trolling, as a matter of fact, I am trying to stimulate what the general consensus is among you folks :) I use gnome, and I see alot of neat new features that ubuntu has had a part in encouraging.  I also think the fact that GTK/gnome is neatly abstracted at the C binding level makes it far superior to libs like Qt as far as flexibility goes.. :)  But reading the latest issue of TUX magazine where they have a total kde slan
[07:07] <mae> t just made me think, "Man, is this really true? or is this just the non-scientific blithering of a magazine writer"
[07:08] <vu> cafuego, Did you try Yellowdog?
[07:08] <nickrud> ah, you mean an IPP connection to a printer on another machine?
[07:08] <dazvid> crimsun, no its not showing my device in sound options menu
[07:08] <dazvid> its only showing my onboard sound
[07:08] <mrichman> yes
[07:08] <cafuego> vu: No, only ever ran Debian and Ubuntu on the Wallstreet G3.
[07:09] <cafuego> vu: I *severely* doubt yellowdog supports aiport express anyway
[07:09] <Hergiswi> disasm: it just shows a ">" on the next line when I type that first command, and nothing happens. Am I supposed to be waiting for something?
[07:09] <mrichman> is ist going to be machine:631/printers/printername
[07:09] <vu> cafuego, Great off I go to dig some more ;-)
[07:09] <disasm> shouldn't be
[07:10] <disasm> oh, maybe the /'s...
[07:10] <cafuego> vu: it's just that broadcom isn't releasing specs to anyone except paying manufacturers (like apple, microsoft) so nothing else has drivers.
[07:10] <Madpilot> mae: I discovered TUXmag at the library a while ago, it does seem "all KDE, all the time" - and I've had this confirmed by other people since, that TUXmag is quite anti-Gnome...
[07:10] <crimsun> dazvid: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[07:10] <dazvid> ok
[07:10] <disasm> sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0" << /etc/fstab   -    try that
[07:10] <nickrud> mrichman, you're gonna hate me, but I've only run cups on one machine; I cannot help with setting up printing on a remote machine at the moment. Ask me in a week, when I'll have done it :)
[07:10] <vu> cafuego,  Yes the old story ;-)
[07:11] <matthew_w> What would "Unable to initialize SDL - no available video device" mean?
[07:11] <mrichman> oh man! well thanks for all your help
[07:11] <dazvid> crimsun, 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[07:11] <nickrud> mae, I've pretty much run gnome since 2000. As far as I can tell, it's still live and kicking :)
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> Sweetness.  I'm in.  Hello, everyone!
[07:12] <johndarkhorse> HaroldJohnson: hows the powerbook working out?
[07:12] <mae> argh
[07:12] <mae> did anyone answer my question? :)
[07:12] <crimsun> dazvid: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Wonderfully.,
[07:12] <disasm> mae: you'll never realize how ugly and painful kde is until you try fluxbox, and then you'll never turn back ;-) gnome isn't too bad though
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Are you running Ubuntu on a Mac?
[07:12] <Hergiswi> it's just coming up with ">"
[07:12] <nickrud> mrichman, seriously, google around for the IPP protocol; that should get you started
[07:13] <mae> nickrud, yes I totally agree :) but one must look at the fact that kde has _way_ more applications, sure we got the major ones like firefox and other gtk-based apps...   I'm hoping that mono/gtk# will attract more developers so we get a larger breadth
[07:13] <HaroldJohnson> disasm, I just began using fluxbox after a term with XCFE4
[07:13] <dazvid> crimsun, that doesnt bring up anything
[07:13] <dazvid> or is it not supposed to?
[07:13] <disasm> Hergiswi: try this: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:13] <disasm> then paste this at bottom: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0
[07:13] <nickrud> mae, as best I can tell, the apps of record are gtk; which (other than k3b) is universally recommended?
[07:14] <mae> disasm, I agree I think kde is totally painful and ugly..  I have to spend more time fixing the stuff that kde is "trying to do for me" then actually getting work done.  I also don't like how alot of the apps in kde use Qt-based kparts.. its like a giant integrated mess the way i see it :)
[07:14] <crimsun> dazvid: sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:14] <Hergiswi> ok, it opened fstab
[07:14] <dazvid> crimsun,  are they one's or L's ?
[07:14] <HaroldJohnson> Oops, I left for a moment.  Did I miss any messages?
[07:15] <disasm> mae: about the only kde app i like is k3b, and thats only opened every once in a blue moon, usually mkisofs/cdrecord suit me just fine
[07:15] <mae> disasm, really? CVS gnomebaker can do _almost_ everything k3b can now
[07:15] <mae> except fo the video editing stuff
[07:15] <dazvid> crimsun, nm. I reran the lsmod command, and it now displays:
[07:15] <dazvid> "snd_emu10k1            81668  0"
[07:15] <nickrud> mae, and we rest our case :)
[07:16] <disasm> gnomebaker, i may have to check it out
[07:16] <Hergiswi> what do I do with fstab?
[07:16] <crimsun> dazvid: good. Now cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:16] <disasm> about the only time i use k3b is burning audio cd's and thats just because i cant remember the switches off hand for mkisofs to burn an audio cd
[07:16] <crimsun> dazvid: paste onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:17] <ijeffchat> hey im wired in ubuntu.. im using linksys card...
[07:17] <ijeffchat> how do i use the card?
[07:17] <dazvid> crimsun, paste the cat info? or everything we have run through?
[07:17] <nickrud> disasm, serpentine (it's in backports) is supposed to do audio well; I haven't tried it yet.
[07:17] <vu> Anybody using 2.6.13/
[07:17] <zenwhen> no
[07:18] <bob2> vu: best to just ask your question...
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, I am not one to really disagree that gnome is a very active project..  I just said something inflammatory to get some opinions :)
[07:18] <cafuego> vu: I am, but not on PPC (It didn't boot on the Mac mini)
[07:18] <Knowerrors> Heyall, anybody here using orchestra/mezzo desktop on ubuntu?
[07:18] <ijeffchat> How do i use my linksys wireless card?
[07:18] <aru> should I try another program or is there settings I can change to see if my mic is working
[07:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can someone help me get chbg to... work?
[07:18] <nickrud> heh
[07:18] <zenwhen> oh bob2. how have you been?
[07:18] <vu> bob2, ???
[07:18] <cafuego> ijeffchat: It'll be unsupported unless using ndiswrapper, which is x86 only.
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, but i must say when one looks at the web-page gnome does seem fairly dead.
[07:18] <johndarkhorse> Carpe_Libertatem: use google and search for "ranwp.sh  ubuntu"
[07:18] <cafuego> ijeffchat: in other words: You can't use that with Linux on a Mac.
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, the only evidence one can see of activity is on the gnome and ubuntu mailing lists
[07:18] <ijeffchat> cafuego: It's a regular linksys card..
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: wired?
[07:19] <vu> cafuego, You using what of macmini?
[07:19] <ijeffchat> cafuego: wireless linksys card.. doesn't work on mac at all?
[07:19] <mae> nickrud, i think ubuntu/gnome needs some kind of "newsletter" or "traffic newsletter" to keep the marketing rolling
[07:19] <cafuego> vu: Ubuntu with 2.6.12-rc6
[07:19] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: you'll need to get a wifi dongle that works under linux (usb or pcmcia)
[07:19] <mae> attract new blood etc
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: Nah, 99.9% chance it won't work.
[07:19] <matthew_w> What does - WARNING - Invalid Stream Header (no STRH at beginning) segmentation fault.  Mean when running totem?
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: It's the same thing again, no specs released for the chipset.
[07:19] <ijeffchat> cafuego: this worked under linux once i believe
[07:19] <vu> cafuego, Cool...as a dual boot or?
[07:20] <cafuego> ijeffchat: x86 linux maybe.
[07:20] <Madpilot> mae: planet.ubuntu.com, for starters
[07:20] <cafuego> vu: yeah, dual boots with Tiger.
[07:20] <vu> cafuego, How did you make space for ext3?
[07:20] <disasm> i think ubuntu should include the pastebin script to paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl, then we could tell people to /exec -o cat /some/file|pastebin
[07:20] <nickrud> I hear that mako is supposed to be the marketing guru; check in with him ;)
[07:20] <crimsun> dazvid: ok, you'll probably need a newer version of alsa-driver.
[07:20] <cafuego> vu: I took into account during the initial OSX install that i also wanted Linux. (I wiped the factory install, I always do)
[07:20] <crimsun> dazvid: I'm sending you instructions.
[07:21] <mae> Madpilot, yes but this is usually random bloggings and various excerpts of different projects.. If one of you has ever read the gentoo newsletter or perhaps the linux kernel traffic thats what i have in mind
[07:21] <crimsun> !tell dazvid about alsa-source
[07:21] <dazvid> crimsun, thankyou very much!
[07:21] <mae> a summary of new developments
[07:21] <aru> I think my mic is screwed up
[07:21] <vu> cafuego, I see so you first installed Linux and then OSX?
[07:21] <Knowerrors> Anybody used SymphonyOS here?
[07:21] <Madpilot> mae: there's talk of a newsletter for Ubuntu, called "The Fridge" or something similar and quirky. if it happens, it'll happen post-Breezy
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> vu: OSX will eat your bootloader if you install osx after linux
[07:22] <cafuego> vu: No, OSX first (repartitoned using Disk Utility on the DVD), then Linux
[07:22] <mae> Madpilot, this would be nice :)
[07:22] <Madpilot> mae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge
[07:22] <mae> Madpilot, i think gnome could use a little hype like firefox :)
[07:22] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: Not really, it WILL reset the boot pointer in  PRAM
[07:22] <vu> johndarkhorse, Thanx
[07:22] <Cashel> anyone know anything about the acm module? modprobe acm doesnt find it and this howto says I need it..
[07:22] <vu> cafuego,  I see
[07:22] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: That's easily fixable with a rescue boot off cd.
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: sorry, i'm a hick and dont know the fancy explanations
[07:22] <Madpilot> mako: meh. Firefox has too much hype. People act like they'
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: easier with open firmware
[07:23] <vu> cafuego, So what's ther OSX equivalent of grub?
[07:23] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: we mac users only have to boot with the "alt-option" key to get to yaboot
[07:23] <Madpilot> mae:  Firefox has too much hype. People act like they invented all their features, rather than just copying Opera...
[07:23] <nickrud> mae, I don't think that gnome needs much marketing; gnome is supposed to be unknown, just used.
[07:23] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: That depends on whether you know the device string
[07:23] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: i've dont it beforer
[07:23] <mae> Madpilot, yes, quite a bit of hype, but remember "theres no such thing as bad publicity".. the people we want to attract will dismiss hype and be interested nonetheless to find the "truth" .. it just gives us more exposure
[07:23] <cafuego> vu: There isn't one. There's yaboot, which is more like LILO. (Fairly inflexible, but it works)
[07:24] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: the boot partition shows up in the list when you hold the alt-option key
[07:24] <afaik> first... thinks for taking the "can't change your nick" rule off #ubuntu-unregged
[07:24] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Sends me to another channel and then abandons me
[07:24] <afaik> *thanks
[07:24] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: then you just run ybin to reinitialize your whatzit
[07:24] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, LOL
[07:24] <afaik> now... how can I watch wmv on ubuntu (I dont care about non-free, just wanna view wmv)
[07:24] <Fred|Fr3d> Is there a "marquee" screensaver available somewhere? I've seen one in KDE and in windows, but not in gnome...
[07:24] <Madpilot> !restricted
[07:24] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:25] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: yeah, the only critical step there is the Holy Penguin Pee one. (That adjusts the PRAM)
[07:25] <Madpilot> afaik: see ubotu above ^^^
[07:25] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, I'll be around; I'm going to read some articles to prepare for my dual boot.
[07:25] <afaik> Madpilot, eh!?
[07:25] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: i cant explain it technically, i just know after an OSX install, i do the alt-option thing and ybin my way back to yabootiness
[07:25] <Madpilot> afaik:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for wmv stuff
[07:26] <Fred|Fr3d> is there a marquee screensaver somewhere? gnome doesnt have one :O
[07:26] <phrizer> mmkday, so viewing the properties of a file on my desktop while its still copying over, isnt a good idea :) my desktop appears to have locked up, as has the file manager. heh heh
[07:26] <dooglus> you run gnome on your marquee?
[07:27] <Madpilot> Fred|Fr3d: isn't there one in xscreensaver? it's got dozens of screensaver styles, it must have a marquee
[07:27] <Fred|Fr3d> i want a marquee screensaver; where the text just runs across the screen with no effects.
[07:27] <nickrud> phrizer, if you're lucky, alt-f2 killall nautilus might unfreeze stuff
[07:27] <Cashel> !tell cashel about acm
[07:28] <Fred|Fr3d> nope. it has ants, toasters, molecules, engines... no marquee
[07:28] <Cashel> !tell cashel about modules
[07:28] <aru> yeah, I'm pretty sure I need a new mic
[07:29] <bimberi> Fred|Fr3d: There is "GLText" but it's not really a banner, close tho :)
[07:29] <phrizer> nickrud, it brought up a forced quit dialog, and it restored it.
[07:29] <nickrud> phrizer, meaning, that worked?
[07:29] <Fred|Fr3d> bimberi: yeah i've seen that one... its laggy on my geforce 2 though :(
[07:30] <nerdy2> FontGlide also
[07:30] <bimberi> Fred|Fr3d: well, closer than ants, toasters etc. :P
[07:30] <snakehsu> Is there anyone using emacs and certain Input Method?
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> true lol
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> OOOH
[07:30] <bimberi> nerdy2: that's the one!
[07:30] <mae> is the plan to eventually use launchpad for tracking bugs instead of bugzilla?
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks nerdy2, fontglide :D
[07:30] <bob2> mae: yes
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> well fontglide scroll, same differnce. thanks :D
[07:31] <dazvid> crimsun, where it states (uname) is that a program, or supposed to input my  own user name
[07:31] <oofnik> ahh can anyone help me figure out why my panels are completely screwed up? it's a problem with wnck-applet
[07:32] <crimsun> dazvid: copy and paste literally
[07:32] <crimsun> (back later)
[07:32] <dazvid> crimsun wants you to know: alsa-source is, like, totally, (1) Enable the universe repository; (2) Type the following in a terminal: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source && cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r) && sudo dpkg -i ../a
[07:32] <dazvid> lsa-modules*.deb
[07:32] <crimsun> dazvid: into a terminal
[07:32] <jtan325> does anyone here use ndiswrapper?
[07:32] <dazvid> lol, sorry for my ignorance
[07:32] <bob2> jtan325: best to just ask your question...
[07:33] <dazvid> crimsun, thanks again.
[07:33] <jtan325> yo bob2
[07:33] <jtan325> remember me from yesterday
[07:33] <jtan325> hehe
[07:33] <bob2> yes
[07:33] <dooglus> Fred|Fr3d: did you try xlockmore's "marquee"?
[07:33] <jtan325> 3 reinstallations later, i'm finally back to my old desktop and everything
[07:33] <afaik> any reason at all for ubuntu.org to use ssl with no valid cert?
[07:33] <jtan325> it's just that
[07:33] <afaik> seems a waste
[07:33] <jtan325> i can't remember how i got wireless to work on bootup
[07:33] <jtan325> with ndiswrapper
[07:33] <jtan325> ok
[07:34] <bob2> *3* reinstallations?
[07:34] <bob2> how did it take more than 1?
[07:34] <ijeffchat> Connected by wire now
[07:34] <jtan325> i was messing up x somehow
[07:34] <ijeffchat> so far working great
[07:34] <bob2> afaik: because no one bought a cert yet
[07:34] <jtan325> by installing fonts
[07:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way to make everything in Ubuntu thinner, without finding some obscure theme?
[07:34] <durt> add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[07:35] <jtan325> yea i did that durt
[07:35] <jtan325> and it loads on bootup
[07:35] <dooglus> Fred|Fr3d: forget that.  xlockmore's 'marquee' doesn't scroll...
[07:35] <jtan325> but, wlan0 doesn't exist until after i do "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[07:35] <bob2> then it's not being loaded by /etc/modules
[07:35] <jtan325> (after I've logged in and everything)
[07:35] <bob2> perhaps you typoed or such
[07:36] <afaik> bob2, why even use ssl though? It is just serving up information
[07:36] <jtan325> well on bootup
[07:36] <jtan325> it says "ndisdriver loaded" or something
[07:36] <afaik> not something that requires an encrypted line
[07:36] <afaik> wtf is the point?
[07:36] <jtan325> there's no failure message on that
[07:36] <bob2> afaik: logins
[07:36] <durt> you want ndiswrapper, not whatever that is
[07:36] <bob2> and wide use of encryption for mundane data is a good thing
[07:36] <afaik> bob2, then why not do like a competent site and ONLY do ssl on the login portions?
[07:36] <afaik> not the whole fucking site
[07:37] <oofnik> is anyone here running enlightenment E17
[07:37] <afaik> that's just laziness
[07:37] <afaik> at best
[07:37] <bob2> as above: loading the internet up with encrypted data is a *good* thing
[07:37] <jtan325> well i put "ndiswrapper" in /etc/modules
[07:37] <bob2> anyway, stop ranting, no one here cares or can fx it
[07:37] <jtan325> as the last line, after "nvidia"
[07:37] <jtan325> (no typo)
[07:37] <afaik> bob2, not for plain information
[07:37] <bob2> afaik: sure it is
[07:37] <durt> did you run "ndiwrapper -m"?
[07:37] <afaik> only for sensitive information (this comes from someone with 8 years web dev experience)
[07:37] <jtan325> should i run that every time?
[07:37] <jtan325> or just once
[07:37] <bob2> afaik: if you only use encryption for things you want private, it means They know anything encrypted is worth looking at
[07:38] <durt> just once
[07:38] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: thinner? how do you mean?
[07:38] <afaik> it's not like reading ubuntu FAQs requires secrecy
[07:38] <jtan325> argh forgot to do that
[07:38] <jtan325> thanks
[07:38] <mae> is there plans to include beagle in the default ubuntu desktop or is that going to still be an optional deal
[07:38] <afaik> what, some 12 year old is going to sniff the line and hack me over reading ubuntu faqs?
[07:38] <bob2> afaik: yes, you're missing the point, still
[07:38] <oofnik> what does beagle do?
[07:38] <afaik> bob2, the only point is laziness :)
[07:38] <bob2> afaik: anyway, you clearly don't want to understand, so if you'd like it fixed, email the webmaster
[07:39] <dooglus> afaik: if you only encrypt your secrets and leave everything else in plain text then I know where to find your secrets.  if you encrypt everything then I don't know which parts are your secrets and which is just you ranting in an irc channel
[07:40] <bur[n] er> dooglus: very clear and concise answer :)
[07:40] <FatDarrel> i need an asguard space ship
[07:41] <oofnik> no one here uses enlightenment? all gnome?
[07:41] <bob2> perhaps we're waiting for you to ask your real question
[07:41] <vu> I am interested to know what do the majority of yo guys do with your Linux distros. Serious answers please. I understand mail/httpd/squid/firewall servers but what else?
[07:41] <afaik> bah, the asgards are pussies
[07:41] <bob2> vu: replace "linux distros" with "computers" and you have your answer
[07:41] <dooglus> vu: browse porn of course, like any other PC user.
[07:41] <afaik> oofnik, renligtment is way behind now :(
[07:42] <dducko> I play Neverwitner Nights... Cruise the internet... everything you do on Windows.. just less crap
[07:42] <afaik> enligtment hasn't had a stable release in ages
[07:42] <tritium> afaik, please watch your language
[07:42] <vu> bob2, You philosopher or somehitng?
[07:42] <afaik> KDE has already surpassed enligtenment :)
[07:42] <oofnik> afaik i saw some E17 screenshots, it looks beautiful
[07:42] <afaik> Tritis, had to take the @ before informing me, hmmm? :)
[07:42] <bur[n] er> vu: email, web, word docs, music, movies?
[07:42] <afaik> oofnik, indeed it does... 6 years in the making
[07:42] <bob2> vu: no, I'm pointing out that people use linux for the same things they use any other OS
[07:43] <oofnik> afaik do you think it'll turn out to be a good solid release?
[07:43] <bob2> vu: I use ubuntu to do my job as a coder, to play games and to watch dvds, email, browse the web, etc
[07:43] <bob2> vu: also to run my mail and web server
[07:44] <dducko> *drops a pin*
[07:44] <oofnik> haha i heard it..
[07:45] <regeya> hm.
[07:45] <oofnik> well anyway.. so who wants to help me with my panel problem now
[07:45] <regeya> using linux to play games...watch dvds...run a web and mail server...on the same machine?
[07:45] <oofnik> or try to at least
[07:45] <cafuego> vu: I use them to make money, to pay the rent, earn a crust. That involves running a mail/web/sql/domain/file server and also desktops with openoffice, mail and browsers.
[07:45] <bob2> regeya: no, my mail server is not in my house
[07:45] <vu> Interesting...I think non productivity is overwhelming among 98% of Linux users.
[07:45] <oofnik> haha vu i think you're right
[07:46] <bob2> ah, the subtle troll
[07:46] <cafuego> vu: Well, non-productivity is always going to be high if the sample consists of IRC users
[07:46] <regeya> I was afraid we'd be seeing the ten millionth "linux sucks" post on ZDNet someday. *wink*
[07:46] <oofnik> i spend 70% of my time tweaking my system and the rest actually doing what i need to be
[07:46] <tritium> vu, scientific computing and publication
[07:46] <ijeffchat> Nice Bluetooth mouse already activated
[07:46] <jtan325> bob2, ok. i would like to install cairo 1.0, and would like to do this the "proper way"
[07:46] <dazvid> crimsun, I installed and rebooted. However the sound still isn't working
[07:46] <jtan325> i assume i should compile from source this time around?
[07:46] <bob2> jtan325: does that have a different SONAME to the one in hoary?
[07:46] <jtan325> SONAME = ?
[07:47] <durt> could adding "options nvidia NVreg_Mobile=0" to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc safe?
[07:47] <durt> is it safe, that is
[07:47] <cafuego> SONAME is like a compiling certificate; you're not allowed without one ;-)
[07:47] <bob2> jtan325: are you yourself a programmer?
[07:47] <jtan325> ummm java and python
[07:47] <jtan325> not c
[07:47] <cafuego> durt: add it, see what happens.
[07:47] <jtan325> but i can guess what soname is
[07:47] <jtan325> it's the .so files
[07:48] <bob2> it's the library version
[07:48] <bob2> no
[07:48] <bob2> it's to do with them, tho
[07:48] <dazvid> hi bob2 :)
[07:48] <bob2> hi
[07:48] <jtan325> sorry for my n00bness
[07:48] <holycow> oofnik, e17 isn't released, its still beta
[07:48] <jtan325> so how do i go about checking the SONAME?
[07:48] <holycow> why would anyone be running it?
[07:49] <cafuego> holycow: same reason they run MS Vista. it's leet.
[07:49] <bob2> anyway, it's 2 in breezy and 1 in hoary
[07:49] <holycow> the live cd of e17 is nice but running it daily is a whole other thing
[07:49] <holycow> cafuego, ehe
[07:49] <oofnik> holycow actually it's alpha but yeah
[07:49] <bob2> so go get the libcairo source package from breezy and build it on hoary
[07:49] <oofnik> people have e17 up and running successfully though
[07:49] <ijeffchat> Dont expect it but is there a way to use my isight?
[07:49] <jtan325> ermmmmm.... so edit my sources.list and change 'hoary' to breezy?
[07:50] <bob2> jtan325: no
[07:50] <oofnik> ijeffchat isn't that that apple firewire webcam thing?
[07:50] <bob2> jtan325: go to http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/ and get all the libcairo_ files
[07:50] <matthew_w> What is the marillat repository?
[07:50] <vu> He! he! ok guys I only wanted some self-reflection here to brake this machine fixing gobble...;-) keep up the good work and keep on being hyper productive ;-)
[07:50] <ijeffchat> yeah, doesn't work right?
[07:50] <ijeffchat> thought so
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: er, libcairo_1.0.0-1 ones
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: then run 'dpkg-source -x libcairo_1.0.0-1ubuntu1.dsc', then cd to the dir it makes, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot'
[07:51] <oofnik> ijeffchat i'm sure it's possible somehow
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: after installing build-essential and fakeroot, I guess
[07:51] <oofnik> there's got to be a firewire video4linux driver or something out there, do some googling
[07:52] <bob2> jtan325: oh, and 'sudo aptitude install debhelper cdbs autotools-dev pkg-config libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libx11-dev libpng12-dev'
[07:52] <ijeffchat> kk ill google it, thx oofnikl
[07:53] <ijeffchat> oofnik*
[07:53] <oofnik> ijeffchat check this out: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/40110681
[07:53] <matthew_w> In a file explaining how to get w32 codecs for your Mplayer - it calls these codecs legally dubious... how might a w32 codec be considered dubious? lol
[07:54] <bob2> matthew_w: er, because you have no permission to download them?
[07:54] <bob2> matthew_w: they're binary files created by microsoft, real, apple, etc, did they give you permission to download them and use them with mplayer?
[07:55] <johndarkhorse> matthew_w: because you are supposed to own a copy of windows to legally use them
[07:55] <bob2> even that is not the case
[07:56] <matthew_w> Got it.
[07:56] <matthew_w> Additionally, it says the w32codecs are not verified.
[07:56] <matthew_w> Is there a possibility of a vulnerability here?
[07:56] <bob2> sure, you're downloading binaries from an untrusted source
[07:57] <Madpilot> matthew_w: in theory...
[07:57] <reformist> whawt package can give me cc1plus? I need this to compile a vmware kernel module
[07:57] <reformist> I've installed g++
[07:57] <reformist> -1.3
[07:57] <bob2> reformist: install build-essential
[07:57] <Quinthius> anyone know what would cause totem to error out when i try to start it? it says resource busy or not available (i'm guessing sound?)
[07:57] <reformist> 3.4
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, this way makes alot more sense that what i was trying to do
[07:57] <djur> how do I bring up a running PID in a terminal?
[07:57] <bob2> jtan325: yes
[07:57] <oofnik> ahh can someone please give me some help with my gnome panel applets, they keep crashing and i don't know what to do
[07:57] <reformist> bob2: I have it
[07:57] <bob2> djur: that makes no sense
[07:57] <djur> heh
[07:57] <djur> well....
[07:57] <djur> I have something running in the background...
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, even more embarrassing, it was just last week that i made my first package, and it's going into the debian repos next week...
[07:57] <djur> and I want to pull it up
[07:57] <bob2> reformist: then someone has rooted your machine and deleted random files from your disk
[07:57] <matthew_w> Let's say this bluntly then... what is the likelihood of someone being able to break into my video stream, or my computer even based on installing these codecs?
[07:57] <djur> in a terminal
[07:57] <bob2> djur: "jobs"
[07:58] <bob2> matthew_w: low
[07:58] <bob2> jtan325: hah, congrats; what is it?
[07:58] <bob2> jtan325: (and you'll have to know about sonames for your NM stuff, too ;p)
[07:58] <djur> bob2:  not sure how to use that.
[07:58] <jtan325> hehe
[07:58] <bob2> djur: it's a command you run
[07:58] <jtan325> bob2, http://conky.sf.ent
[07:58] <jtan325> whoops
[07:58] <bob2> djur: that will list jobs in the current shell.  your backgrounded process should be there.
[07:58] <jtan325> bob2, http://conky.sf.net
[07:59] <reformist> bob2: ...right..
[07:59] <bob2> reformist: what does "dpkg -l build-essential | grep ^ii" print out?
[07:59] <matthew_w> Extraordinarily low?  Because I'm extraordinarily paranoid ;)  lol
[07:59] <djur> nothing there..
[07:59] <djur> I put in the file to sessions / startup..
[07:59] <djur> and it's there when  I do ps -l
[07:59] <djur> but I can't bring it up
[08:00] <bob2> matthew_w: if you're paranoid, you won't be running random binary dlls at all then
[08:00] <reformist> bob2: I'm using breezy. ii  build-essential 11.1           informational list of build-essential packages
[08:00] <bob2> djur: then that's different to being in the background
[08:00] <jtan325> bob2, and now it's safe to do "dpkg -i libcairo....deb"? and it should complain about old versions of libpixman or something, and i'll do something simliar for that?
[08:00] <kcidx> ls
[08:00] <djur> how can I force it to open the program in a terminal?
[08:00] <bob2> reformist: if you're not using the stable version of ubuntu, you should mention that in your initial question
[08:00] <kcidx> ooops
[08:00] <bob2> djur: you can't
[08:00] <bob2> djur: what are yo utrying to do?
[08:00] <kcidx> ok i just rebuilt xorg myself.....from cvs and its still booting the old one
[08:01] <kcidx> any help with that?
[08:01] <bob2> jtan325: yes; they will install alongside, only replacing the -doc and -dev ackages
[08:01] <matthew_w> bob2; just more worried about the video stream - I work for an acting agency and can't let some of the videos that we run be... well, spread to the world. XD
[08:01] <djur> it's a background process..  distributed.net app..  I want it to run.. but I don't want to spend much time on it.. just have it there in the background doing its thing
[08:01] <djur> but I want to see that it's there
[08:01] <bob2> djur: ps aux | grep name
[08:01] <jtan325> wow that was so painless
[08:01] <Popjompa> hello all, got a question, and I'm complely new to this
[08:01] <jtan325> it makes me cry
[08:02] <jtan325> knowing that i spent the past day reinstalling
[08:02] <jtan325> three times
[08:02] <kcidx> if i do a export PATH=/opt/xorg-x11/bin:$PATH     then it will give me the right X   what do i do to change this over?
[08:02] <bob2> matthew_w: I would rate the risk as "low", but you're running random dlls that no trusted person has audited.
[08:02] <bob2> matthew_w: copying them yourself from a windows machien you trust might make you happier
[08:02] <matthew_w> This is a dual boot.
[08:03] <bob2> kcidx: why did you do that to begin with?
[08:03] <matthew_w> I tend to trust this one.. lol.
[08:03] <bob2> Popjompa: best to just ask...
[08:03] <wafers> hi!
[08:03] <Quinthius> matthew_w: i don't think what you're talking about has anything to do with the codecs. or at least, there will be no difference compared to using the same codecs in windows...
[08:03] <wafers> i am up and running on ubuntu.. need some help though..
[08:04] <kcidx> bob2, cause in breezy they broke dri
[08:04] <djur> bob2:  sorry I'm slow.. what does the output of that mean?
[08:04] <jtan325> bob2, thanks a bunch for your help. if you do decide to check out conky (the software i packaged) and need help using it, msg me or join #conky
[08:04] <Myrtti> wafers: we're not telepathics
[08:04] <bob2> kcidx: what bug # is the bug you filed?
[08:04] <matthew_w> Quinthius; Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just overly paranoid that someone will get a hold of these files that they're not supposed to based on me using untrusted codecs.
[08:04] <wafers> hi myrtti do you know anything about getting nvidia video cards working
[08:04] <bob2> djur: it means that it's running
[08:05] <Popjompa> Problem: installed Ubuntu on a USB drive, the setup went fine and i've installed grub and it works fine, when i choose ubuntu it starts up, but not for long. It says: "pivot_root: nu such file or dir. /bin/init:428 cannot open dev/console: nu such file. Kernel panic."
[08:05] <Myrtti> wafers: nope
[08:05] <bob2> wafers: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:05] <bob2> jtan325: np
[08:05] <Quinthius> matthew_w: i say highly unlikely, and if someone had the intent and know-how to do that, i don't think it would involve codecs at all anyway
[08:05] <wafers> thanks bob2 ill take a look my screen is so small right now though.  hope that helps.
[08:05] <matthew_w> Quinthius; You're right.
[08:05] <bob2> I doubt it
[08:06] <kcidx> bob2, its with the r200 driver built with dri 5 but driver was built for 4.x
[08:06] <bob2> kcidx: and you filed a bug?
[08:06] <kcidx> its been filed...
[08:06] <bob2> awesome
[08:06] <bob2>  /etc/X11/X is the only thing you care about
[08:08] <AzMoo> Is there a way I can install firefox with the DOM inspector?
[08:09] <AzMoo> ugh, never mind
[08:09] <bob2> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector - tool for inspecting the DOM of pages in Mozilla Firefox
[08:09] <AzMoo> I should check synaptic BEFORE I ask ;)
[08:09] <HrdwrBoB> AzMoo: :)
[08:10] <Popjompa> anyone got a clue about the problem i posted?
[08:10] <AzMoo> hrmm, but it's not working. It says it requires version 1.0.2, but I have 1.0.6 :\
[08:10] <bob2> is booting off usb devices supposed to work at all?
[08:11] <Popjompa> dont know, it went fine in the setup, :)
[08:11] <Quinthius> anyone know what would cause totem to error out when i try to start it? it says resource busy or not available (i'm guessing sound?)
[08:11] <bob2> you set it up using the CD
[08:11] <bob2> just don't bother with totem
[08:11] <Popjompa> mm, and it found the hd
[08:12] <bob2> AzMoo: yes, it's not been updated for the firefox security issues
[08:12] <Quinthius> bob2: why not?
[08:12] <Myrtti> vlc
[08:12] <Myrtti> <3
[08:12] <bob2> Popjompa: yes, and if you booted from the internal hard drive, it could see the usb disk, too
[08:12] <bob2> being able to boot off != being able to use once booted
[08:12] <bob2> Popjompa: try asking on the ubuntu-user list
[08:12] <mae> at this point is gstreamer 0.9 going to make it into breezy
[08:12] <AzMoo> bob2, so I can't install it?!
[08:12] <Popjompa> ok, guess my problem is solved, it won't work. :)
[08:13] <Madpilot> mae: packages.ubuntu.com and have a search - you can search all three versions of Ubuntu
[08:13] <bob2> AzMoo: not easily
[08:13] <bob2> Popjompa: I didn't say that
[08:13] <AzMoo> omg
[08:13] <Popjompa> guess it must load some drivers for the usb before i can detect the hd
[08:14] <bob2> AzMoo: it's in universe, it's not covered by the ubuntu securit yteam.  #ubuntu-motu might be able to help.
[08:15] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know a good download manager for speeding up download speeds?
[08:15] <AzMoo> bob2, cheers.
[08:15] <h08817> does anyone know how to setup a web server with a linksys router
[08:16] <cafuego> the same was as any other router?
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> h08817, you mean webserver local on pc behind router>
[08:16] <h08817> yes
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> you need to port-forward to the port you use
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> directions can be found via google
[08:16] <h08817> and how do i know what port i use?
[08:16] <cafuego> h08817: 80
[08:16] <h08817> i have been on this for 5 hours and i haven't got anything
[08:16] <jtan325> bob2, you wouldn't happen to know how to install libsvg-cairo would you ? i couldn't find the sources on that site
[08:16] <cafuego> 80/tcp
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> some ISPs block port 80
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> try another port if that doesnot work
[08:17] <mrichman> why is the gaim in the repos so far behind current
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.practicallynetworked.com/support/linksys_router_help_pg4.htm&ei=4-IbQ5P0DInSaIy_3ZAN
[08:17] <mrichman> is their a current version?
[08:17] <h08817> i have apache and i just bss the dns and stuff b/c i dont' have one yet
[08:17] <cafuego> mrichman: Because it woul sbe a major upgrade; which isn't done on stable releases.
[08:17] <cafuego> mrichman: you can backport it.
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> i setup a dyndns.org account to my personal apache server
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> much nicer
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> nn
[08:18] <mrichman> cafuego: how is that done?
[08:18] <cafuego> mrichman: where to start...
[08:18] <cafuego> !backport
[08:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backport is see !backports
[08:18] <cafuego> !backports
[08:18] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:18] <h08817> well i just want to know how i can host my own site
[08:18] <Myrtti> gaim < bitlbee
[08:18] <cafuego> STart with those.
[08:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know a good download manager for speeding up download speeds?
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> one that calls your ISP and upgrades your account
[08:19] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: how would a download manager speed up your connection?
[08:20] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: when is vicnet enabled adsl2 on the north melbourne exchange?
[08:20] <cafuego> s/d/ing/
[08:20] <jknife> what do i put instead of horay for bleeding edge
[08:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> Cafuego - they split-up the file into parts and max the connection for each part? In Windows, FlashGet DLs faster than Firefox.
[08:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> for example
[08:20] <h08817> well once my router is configured correctly will i be able to go to my internal ip
[08:20] <cafuego> jknife: If you need to ask, DON'T
[08:21] <aftertaf> :) cafuego
[08:21] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: That's a windows problem, not a Linux (or firefox) one.
[08:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is it?
[08:21] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Yes.
[08:22] <jknife> cafuego, :-| your jokeing right??? ive used more update distros then this.... im brand new to ubuntu
[08:22] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Download speed is a function of bandwith on either host.
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: There will be a new version next month, just be patient.
[08:22] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: easier than windows :->
[08:22] <aftertaf> jknife:  breezy...
[08:22] <Myrtti> no registering, no buyin, no money
[08:22] <jknife> aftertaf, thanks
[08:22] <chickboiec> i need help
[08:22] <jknife> wasnt that hard
[08:22] <chickboiec> any1 can ?
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: Coz if you upgrade now and come back complaining breezy is broken ...
[08:22] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  ask your question... :)
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: I swear I will make people not help you.
[08:23] <Jaivaz> Is gnome-look.org down for you guys as well?
[08:23] <pef> hi
[08:23] <chickboiec> i have a shop here in the phil.
[08:23] <aftertaf> jknife:  cafuego is right tho///
[08:23] <chickboiec> we have problem using ubuntu?
[08:23] <seife> im new to linux
[08:23] <seife> i tried it
[08:23] <Auckland_Pig> Myrtti: anything i need to know before i start using it?
[08:23] <chickboiec> me 2 im new 2 linox
[08:23] <cafuego> jknife: it *is* broken you 8will* have problems. Do you understand?
[08:23] <mrichman> cafuego: thanks!
[08:23] <jknife> cafuego, ive used gentoo ffs... and E17.. i can work out broken software
[08:23] <seife> cuz ive always been windows user
[08:23] <seife> ubuntu gave me sound prob
[08:23] <seife> network prob
[08:23] <Jaivaz> I take it it's down for you guys as well.
[08:23] <seife> just those two
[08:24] <Auckland_Pig> seife: were they resolved?
[08:24] <cafuego> jknife: Off you go then
[08:24] <Auckland_Pig> do you still have those problems?
[08:24] <seife> Nope, they werent , but they can be solved.
[08:24] <seife> Yes i do, my sound at headphones is poor
[08:24] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: All linuxes have issues writing to NTFS partitions. If you intend to make your system dualboot and want to write stuff to a windows partition while in Linux, NTFS is not your choise
[08:24] <seife> and i dont have sound with speakers
[08:24] <chickboiec> ei anyone could help ?
[08:24] <Myrtti> choice, even
[08:24] <aftertaf> Jaivaz:  seems to resolve anyway..
[08:24] <seife> but u cant be helped by some sound guru
[08:24] <aftertaf> but no page arriving
[08:24] <seife> then u'll get sound
[08:25] <chickboiec> i need help badly
[08:25] <Jaivaz> Odd
[08:25] <chickboiec> any1 have the time to spare with ?
[08:25] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  ask your question.
[08:25] <aftertaf> someone will reply ;)
[08:25] <chickboiec> im planning to change my os to linux
[08:25] <aftertaf> ok
[08:25] <chickboiec> i dont have the licence >
[08:25] <Myrtti> aaaannnndd?
[08:25] <Jaivaz> I can't seem to connect to the forum either..
[08:25] <Myrtti> dou
[08:26] <aftertaf> license for what?
[08:26] <Auckland_Pig> Myrtti: what if i keep a small FAT32 partition?  can i use it to swap data between windows and linux?
[08:26] <Madpilot> anyone here use Screem & CVS together?
[08:26] <chickboiec> for microsoft
[08:26] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: yes.
[08:26] <aftertaf> we cant help you there....
[08:26] <jknife> cafuego, one question what kernel does breezy use? 2.6.13?
[08:26] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: fat32 is ok for holding data both OS' can read
[08:26] <chickboiec> i have a computer cafe
[08:26] <aftertaf> apart from saying its a one way trip
[08:26] <chickboiec> no im planning to change my os
[08:26] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: fat32 has a file size limit, tho and i think it's somewere areound 4gb
[08:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i find out what my cdrom device is?
[08:26] <cafuego> jknife: Smart former gentoo users can look that up :-P
[08:26] <Myrtti> chickboiec: why would you need a licence for microsoft if you're planning on to switching to linux?
[08:26] <chickboiec> no my point is
[08:26] <Myrtti> I'm confused
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> johndarkhorse: oh 4gb is good...
[08:27] <Myrtti> yeah, get to it
[08:27] <Madpilot> chickboiec: you're seriously running a computer cafe on illegal copies of Windows? that's... possibly not bright?
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> thank you all....
[08:27] <cafuego> chickboiec: Yes, you can run ubuntu on as many computers as you like.
[08:27] <chickboiec> yeah
[08:27] <chickboiec> so im switing
[08:27] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: not for backing up your dvds, it isnt
[08:27] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[08:27] <chickboiec> switching
[08:27] <seife> im runing on an ilegal copy of windows
[08:27] <seife> i dont have money to buy it
[08:27] <chickboiec> can all application can be run with ubunto ?
[08:27] <cafuego> chickboiec: it will be fine for web browsing and email
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[08:27] <chickboiec> ubuntu rather
[08:27] <Madpilot> seife: that's why I'm running Ubuntu rather than XP...
[08:27] <jknife> 2.6.11-9 is it??
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> johndarkhorse: will rip them and convert them to 700mb :p
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> chickboiec all applications on which operating system?
[08:27] <cafuego> jknife: no.
[08:27] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  depends what, but most have equivalents
[08:27] <seife> i think on vista version u have to buy it, cuz if u dont put an original serial, it wont install
[08:28] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: enjoy!
[08:28] <chickboiec> ah ic
[08:28] <chickboiec> u know warcraft?
[08:28] <Myrtti> chickboiec: not windows ones, unless you use cedega or wine
[08:28] <chickboiec> im using wine
[08:28] <jknife> thats what packages.ubuntu.com says
[08:28] <hume> hi....how do I use webmin in ubuntu, when there is no root account activated? or mount samba shares? only root can mount, but root is no samba user...
[08:28] <cafuego> chickboiec: there's mozilla/firefox for web (and webmail) and openoffice for Office stuff. Gimp for photoshop.
[08:28] <Myrtti> sudo
[08:28] <Myrtti> !root
[08:28] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:28] <chickboiec> i have that
[08:28] <cafuego> !info linux-image-386 breezy
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell which device is my dvd?
[08:28] <ubotu> linux-image-386: (Linux kernel image on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12.12 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[08:28] <jknife> my bad 12
[08:28] <chickboiec> how about other application like warcraft ragnarok and other online games?
[08:28] <Myrtti> I need to was this henna off my head
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> Question.
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> why does synaptic think 2.0.1-2 is lower than 1.2.4-1
[08:29] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  there is a package calleddega for runnung zin games in nux... its costs ca$h tho ce
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> (trying to install anjuta 2.0 from debian experimental)
[08:29] <foulplay2> Hey guys, Just wondering, what would be a decent linux bit to put on a 1gb pen drive
[08:29] <Jaivaz> Is Gnome-look.org and Ubuntu-Forums down for everyone else?
[08:29] <aftertaf> Jaivaz:  gnomelook yep
[08:29] <seife> foulplay2: fedora, ubuntu, debian
[08:30] <Jaivaz> Odd
[08:30] <cafuego> foulplay2: The Ubutnu liveCD should be fine; HrdwrBoB may or may not be able to confirm that.
[08:30] <hume> Myrtti, yeah, i can sudo, but how do I access webmin, that is configured by default to have a user root?
[08:30] <foulplay2> Ubuntu can install onto a 1gb pen drive?
[08:30] <Cashel> anyone know why xmms wouldnt be able to read from an ntfs drive even as root?
[08:30] <Jaivaz> Well, I finally got the forums to load
[08:30] <cafuego> Cashel: ntfs sucks?
[08:30] <Madpilot> Jaivaz: gnome-look is, Ub forums not to be
[08:30] <Cashel> cafuego: amen
[08:31] <aftertaf> hehe Cashel
[08:31] <jknife> Jaivaz, Gnome-look.org isnt working for me
[08:31] <Cashel> doesnt help me much tho, heh
[08:31] <aftertaf> Cashel:  is it mounted?
[08:31] <Vaske_Car> can Unbuntu work with Samba, vsftpd and TeamSpeak server?
[08:31] <brownie17> hey everyone, what is the command for the archive manager?
[08:31] <foulplay2> Cashel: run this script as root (sudo): http://72.9.240.23/~foulplay/winmac_fstab
[08:31] <chickboiec> i dont get it ?? what are the requirement for me to use some of the application that i have right now > anyone ? help me pls try 2 pm me im quite confuse on the main channel
[08:31] <Cashel> aftertaf, yes, with permissions set to a user...
[08:32] <chickboiec> i have a shop with 20 pc > and im afraid being raid by microsoft
[08:32] <deFrysk> brownie17, file-roller
[08:32] <brownie17> thanx
[08:32] <Cashel> foulplay2, I'm already mounted properly
[08:32] <foulplay2> Oh, sorry
[08:32] <Cashel> no worries
[08:32] <cafuego> chickboiec: Well, 1) Switch to Ubuntu or 2) Mis-invest your profits into Windows XP licenses.
[08:33] <chickboiec> im planning to switch to linux
[08:33] <foulplay2> I get copies of windows xp pro from my school for $3.50
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> grip says it can't initialize /dev/scd0..anyone know what the problem could be?
[08:33] <cafuego> surely the business plan has some guidelines?
[08:33] <Madpilot> chickboiec: Linux has it's own applications for most things. Windows is a totally seperate system...
[08:33] <foulplay2> :-P
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> chickboiec have fun.
[08:33] <brownie17> foulplay: is that legal :)
[08:33] <foulplay2> They're legal copies
[08:33] <brownie17> foulplay2: nice
[08:33] <foulplay2> My school bought several thousand licenses
[08:34] <Madpilot> foulplay2: legal for students of your school, sure
[08:34] <brownie17> pretty big school
[08:34] <cafuego> foulplay2: if they school has a site license, sure. He must stop using it when he leaves that school, though.
[08:34] <cafuego> brownie17: Or if it's like australua, the government pays MS to license windoze for all computers in all state schools
[08:34] <brownie17> hey, i need a hand
[08:34] <cafuego> couple of million per year
[08:35] <foulplay2> It works for what I need it to, though I'm thinking of putting OS X x86 on my computer tomorrow :-X
[08:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: Edubuntu...
[08:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Hahaha!
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> if beos had more apps, or if mac osx would be released on x86, i'd switch from linux.
[08:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Do you know how married MS and DE&T are?
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's absurd that in an era like this, os choices are limited to such crap.
[08:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: DE&T is education ministry?
[08:36] <brownie17> why can't i remove a directory?
[08:36] <s00d> Hi. I'm having trouble locating my grub.conf. SHouldn't it be in /boot/grub?
[08:36] <eggo> hey
[08:36] <Madpilot> brownie17: possibly because root owns it?
[08:36] <eggo> can anyone tell me what the hell to do with a .bin?
[08:36] <cafuego> Madpilot: I'm sure bribes are involved at some stage; the department of eductiuon and training has some people who acively sabotage any linux inreads
[08:36] <brownie17> madpilot: but shouldn't the sudo command take care of that?
[08:36] <hume> eggo, execute it
[08:36] <zcat[1] > chmod +x foo.bin ; ./foo.bin
[08:36] <cafuego> eggo: put rubbish in it
[08:36] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  frustration leads to disillusionment... why is linux so cr*p?
[08:36] <cafuego> eggo: What is the .bin?
[08:36] <Madpilot> brownie17: in that case, check the permissions rather than the ownership
[08:37] <s00d> No?
[08:37] <mrichman> is there a limit to haw many chars the root password can be inorder to use the gui sudo
[08:37] <eggo> realplayer
[08:37] <cafuego> eggo: ouch
[08:37] <brownie17> madpilot: but i created it with the sudo command, shouldn't i then be able ot delete iwth that?
[08:37] <eggo> cafuego: ?
[08:37] <zcat[1] > eggo: rm foo.bin ; apt-get install mplayer-386 w32c0decs
[08:37] <bimberi> cafuego: I think CIOs having lunch with Bill was all it took :P
[08:37] <s00d> I want to boot with "apm=on" -- How do I do this?
[08:37] <zcat[1] > *codecs
[08:38] <Madpilot> brownie17: I would have guessed so, but check permissions & ownership anyway
[08:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf the entire structure of any *nix is steeped in decades of legacy.
[08:38] <brownie17> madpilot: say owner has RE WR and EX, others and group have just RE
[08:38] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  DNS root hierarchy structure... seems to work fine imho.
[08:39] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: and MS's stuff *isn't*? ;)
[08:39] <penticlex> looking for a 64bit mozilla -flash package
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> penticlex: no such thing
[08:39] <eggo> zcat[1] : i have vlc so I don't need just another player, i need to get the plugins working for firefox
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf in beos, for instance, i had an dynamic-attribute-based 64-bit journalled file architecture.  never had to run any ckfs.  never had a search take longer than 1 second.
[08:39] <zcat[1] > find the vlc plugin package for firefox?
[08:39] <Madpilot> brownie17: in that case you should be able to do whatever you like to it... but I'm not an expert...
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot MS is even worse.
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot i was praising beos.
[08:39] <brownie17> madpilot: so how do i delete it, says cannot delete, is a directory
[08:39] <chickboiec> anybody << have tried installing other online games like ragnarok and MU
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux takes eons to boot
[08:40] <brownie17> madpilot: doesn't make sense
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> partially because it runs services before getting to gui.
[08:40] <Madpilot> brownie17: "sudo rm <whatever>" doesn't work? (and no, it doesn't make sense to me either)
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos boots on my system in 5 seconds or so.  linux takes about a minute.
[08:40] <Vaske_Car> anybody using teamspeak server on ubuntu?
[08:40] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  i don't know anything about beos.
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf it's amazing.
[08:40] <brownie17> madpilotL: then how do i change permissons so everyone can do whatever to it?
[08:40] <penticlex> 64 is fast but I just might go back to my 32 bit just for the lack of hassel
[08:40] <Madpilot> what is beos, anyway?
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's blazing fast.
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot the Be Operating System.  It sort of "died" but now a company called Yellowtab is re-invigorating it.
[08:41] <Vaske_Car> linux based as well?
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> no, it's an OS all of it's own
[08:41] <eggo> does vlc have firefox plugins?
[08:41] <eggo> cause vlc is so great
[08:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot it was an OS written from the ground up to be fast, with pervasive multithreading and such.
[08:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah.
[08:41] <zcat[1] > I thought Beos was the guy who runs Amazon
[08:41] <eggo> i mean... if it's media, vlc plays it ^^
[08:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not linux based, but it was mostly posix compliant.
[08:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> If you do apt-cache search vlc you'll see plugins
[08:41] <Madpilot> brownie17: www.linuxcommand.org - it's got a permissions tutorial
[08:41] <brownie17> allright
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> BeOS info available at http://www.yellowtab.com/
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Years ago, Apple almost bought BeOS, but Jean-Louis Gassee, the owner and former top dog at Apple, tried to squeeze Apple by the balls until they told him to take a hike.
[08:43] <Madpilot> brownie17: http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0070.php for Permissions - but going thru the entire tutorial from the beginning won't take that long and it's well written
[08:43] <Agrajag> and they bought NeXT instead
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i thought that was after they had purchased next.
[08:43] <aftertaf> this should maybe go #ubuntu-offtopic guys.....
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> instead of beos they ultimately wound up with OS X.
[08:43] <aftertaf> we have n00bs needing help too ;)
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, i have an ubuntu issue.
[08:44] <aftertaf> hehe ;)
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> why can't i get my dvd drive to work now that i'm using kde?
[08:44] <locomorto> n00bs is harsh
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> n00bs rhymes with b00bs.
[08:44] <brownie17> madpilot: when i use sudo and it asks for a password, is it asking for my user account password or my root password?
[08:44] <locomorto> newbies is more appropiate (hey there using linux!)
[08:44] <Agrajag> user
[08:44] <aftertaf> brownie17:  user pass
[08:44] <locomorto> their*
[08:44] <Agrajag> there is no root password
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> they're
[08:44] <locomorto> Unless you make a root pass that is
[08:44] <aftertaf> brownie17:  otherwise that means users know root password
[08:44] <brownie17> aftertaf: damn, so if i have forgotten my root pass, then i am screwed?
[08:44] <Madpilot> !tell brownie17 about root
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> locomorto you spelled it wrong twice. :)
[08:44] <dieman> hrm
[08:45] <locomorto> shoot
[08:45] <dieman> is there any effort to somehow quantify how many people are 'choosing' ubuntu?
[08:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 if you have physical access to a machine, you're never screwed.
[08:45] <locomorto> damn
[08:45] <locomorto> not agian
[08:45] <zcat[1] > physical access and a live CD..
[08:45] <dieman> aside from just pointing people at the linux counter, i guess?
[08:45] <Madpilot> dieman: distrowatch's counter thingie?
[08:45] <brownie17> broken_ladder: are you suggsting that i use a password cracking software type to get it back?
[08:45] <aftertaf> brownie17:  did you define one?
[08:46] <dieman> Madpilot: yeah, but thats not the same as like the whole 'Fedora has great growth on netcraft' stuff
[08:46] <locomorto> brownie you only screwed if you also forgot your bios pass
[08:46] <dieman> Madpilot: distrowatch is just how many hits they got. :|
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: honestly can't remember, had to install it three times, a few stuff up's at first
[08:46] <Madpilot> brownie17: did you set root up on Ubuntu? or have you just forgotten your user password?
[08:46] <locomorto> and as such cant boot from a cd
[08:46] <brownie17> madpilot: i know my user password
[08:46] <locomorto> then you have to shell out and stick the drive in another comp
[08:46] <Madpilot> brownie17: your user pw is your sudo pw
[08:46] <dieman> i can jump around and tell people here about ubuntu a lot, but aside from me being excited -- they can't look at media sources to see the growth of ubuntu.
[08:46] <dieman> and that people actually use it
[08:47] <brownie17> madpilot: but i want to log into root for a second to install something
[08:47] <zcat[1] > by default ubuntu does not set a root password.. edit /etc/shadow and s/root:*:/root::/ then you can log in as root and set one.
[08:47] <Agrajag> brownie17: run it with sudo
[08:47] <Madpilot> brownie17: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 i'm suggesting just physically altering your data.
[08:47] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: use sudo
[08:47] <Agrajag> or use sudo -s to start a root shell
[08:47] <Vaske_Car> what is the website of these guys who continued to work on BEOS?
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 you could just make a new password and md5 it, and put that in your file.
[08:47] <johndarkhorse> Vaske_Car: yellowtab
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> Vaske_Car http://haiku.org or something like that
[08:47] <vu> Does the distrowatch's counter work just like iTunes counter for the most popular podcast?
[08:47] <Quinthius> brownie17: if you really need an interactive root shell you can do something like: sudo -H -s
[08:47] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, that will not work, there are not actual md5 hashes in there
[08:47] <Seveas> but salted ones
[08:48] <brownie17> broken_ladder: i dont think i'll really ever use another password, so its probably not worth it
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Vaske_Car look up haiku beos  or you can get the professional project at http://www.yellowtab.com/
[08:48] <s0od> Hi. I lost my onnection. I was wondering if anybody could tell me where I could find my grub.conf file?
[08:48] <johndarkhorse> hi seveas!
[08:48] <penticlex> use sudo users-admin
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 huh?
[08:48] <Quinthius> brownie17: but try to stick to normal sudo for single commands and such
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas in where?
[08:48] <bimberi> s0od: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <Seveas> s0od, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <penticlex> then you can change the pwd
[08:48] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, shadow
[08:48] <tritium> hey there Seveas
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas thene where are the actually hashes?
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> they have to be somewhere
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> just alter them
[08:48] <s0od> And if I wanted to boot my kernel with apm=on, do I just put that on the end of the kernel option?
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: broken_ladder: why can't i delete an entire directory?
[08:49] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, they are in there, but linux does not use normal md5 hashes...
[08:49] <Vaske_Car> its called now ZETA not BeOs
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, what do you want to delete?
[08:49] <Seveas> hi tritium, johndarkhorse
[08:49] <locomorto> Also, if ou use the Linux 1 option dont you boot to a root terminal?
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: a directory i accidnetly made when trying to install a program through "sudo file-roller"
[08:49] <locomorto> you*
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 you can rm -rf directory
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, ack
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, sudo rm -r /path/to/folder
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: "ack"? is that english?
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was never BeOs, it was BeOS
[08:50] <Seveas> brownie17, just a sign of understanding :)
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> as in B O S
[08:50] <s0od> bimberi: is this right? /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash apm=on
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> buzzword enhanced operating system
[08:50] <bimberi> s0od: yes that's the line to put it on (I don't know if that syntax is correct)
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: oh ok, why is the command different to delete a directory?
[08:50] <Seveas> brownie17, because you create it with sudo you will have to remove it with sudo
[08:50] <s0od> Bimberi, seveas: thanks.
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: yes, but why the -rf?
[08:51] <Seveas> the -r means recursive, so it will delete the contents of the directory too
[08:51] <brownie17> seveas: oh ok, i get it... whats the f?
[08:51] <Seveas> f is force, should not be used unless neccessary
[08:51] <locomorto> infact if you try to delete a directory without the -r command then it will cough and die
[08:51] <Madpilot> brownie17: "man rm"
[08:51] <brownie17> seveas: ok
[08:51] <locomorto> brownie: man rm
[08:52] <brownie17> man rm?
[08:52] <locomorto> if you use konqueror: browse to man:/rm
[08:52] <locomorto> in terminal
[08:52] <locomorto> man (manual) <command/topic>
[08:52] <Madpilot> brownie17: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands - "man <command>" brings up that command's manual page
[08:52] <number2178> hi, i am trying to apt-get libwxgtk2.6-dev and it does not work. do i miss something in the configuration of the package manager ? and another library i fail to install is x11proto-video-dev
[08:52] <Seveas> but man is horrible for new users
[08:52] <locomorto> theres also xman for a gui enviro
[08:52] <number2178> thank you
[08:52] <Seveas> even yelp is better
[08:53] <Seveas> (yes, yelp does man pages too)
[08:53] <locomorto> but the KDE io slave pwns
[08:53] <vu> Does anybody know if the Firefox 1.0.4 have built in support bitorrent?
[08:53] <Madpilot> Seveas: some of them are OK. "man intro" is well written
[08:53] <Seveas> kioslaves are a horrible concept...
[08:53] <jknife> vu, dont think so
[08:53] <johndarkhorse> vu: it does not
[08:53] <locomorto> vu
[08:53] <Seveas> (but let's not get religious...)
[08:53] <number2178> Firefox does not have support for BT, Opera does
[08:53] <locomorto> vu: no
[08:53] <locomorto> vu: use azureos
[08:53] <Madpilot> number2178: not yet it doesn't, sorry
[08:53] <brownie17> so i have another question, i downloaded an archive of limewire, becasue it wasn't in synaptic... and now i don't know how to install it because the files are in like folders named where they should go, in like hte ight path tree, but how do i make the files go to the allready made directories instead of creating a new fodler inside the folder i want them in?
[08:54] <Seveas> vu, moreover FF is at 1.0.6 now. 1.0.4 has security bugs
[08:54] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: simple solution: use gtk-gnutella
[08:54] <vu> oh I see OK
[08:54] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i can't i need to be able to open ports for that, and my modem is faulty, it all works completely fine except for port forwarding, comes up with a stupid error and no help
[08:55] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: if gtk-gnutella doesnt work for you, then limewire wont either
[08:55] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: the two proggys do the same thing
[08:55] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: you sure? limewire worked with my old computer and this same modem
[08:55] <mrichman> vu: iirc there are extensions for BT support in firefox
[08:56] <number2178> any ideas regarding libs libwxgtk2.6-dev and x11proto-video-dev ? is there repository i should add ? i am trying to compile VLC on my desktop with WMV support according to http://nanocrew.net/?p=129
[08:56] <vu> mrichman, I am not sure I understand you?
[08:56] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: gtk-gnutella nd limewire do the same thing, one is gtk the other is java
[08:56] <Seveas> !info libwxgtk2.6-dev
[08:56] <mrichman> you can add extensions into firefox are you familiar with that
[08:57] <vu> mrichman, Oh to support bitTorrent is that correct?
[08:57] <mrichman> go to tools -> Extensions
[08:57] <mrichman> yes
[08:57] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: well then i need to call d-link and get htem to tell me what to do to my modem then?
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> does it make sense that i would go from gnome to kde and no longer be able to use my dvd drive?
[08:57] <vu> great thanx
[08:58] <vu> mrichman, BTW Opera supports it now.
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i'm not familiar with your situation
[08:58] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, no
[08:58] <brownie17> broken_ladder: there are thingos you have to add for DVD drive support, and maybe the one you had isnt compatible with KDE
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: you can get back with me when im not at work
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: my usual nick is 'nalioth'
[08:58] <Seveas> johndarkhorse, ah lol :)
[08:58] <Seveas> why are you incognito?
[08:58] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: oh ok, hahah didn't know, i talked to you both
[08:58] <number2178> No menu item `libwxgtk2.6-dev' in node `(dir)Top
[08:58] <Seveas> number2178, ?
[08:59] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: i'm at my paying job, and didnt want too many distractions
[08:59] <brownie17> fair enough
[08:59] <number2178> i think i added all repositories - uncommented all lines in that apt-get configuration file and still i can not find x11proto-video-dev and libwxgtk2.6-dev
[09:00] <brownie17> i think ill call d-link, unless you are familiar with the d-link dsl 302g adsl modem/router, seveas?
[09:00] <number2178> in case of wxgtk i solved the problem by downloading the code and compiling though i am not sure that i got the correct version. in case of that x11proto i really do not know what to do
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is so crazy
[09:01] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: it should work under all OS'
[09:02] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: it's not an os problem i dont think, i've never port forwarded before, tried yesterday and it gave me error "501 (i think) method not implemented"
[09:02] <fatejudger> does anyone here use jackd?
[09:02] <fatejudger> I can't seem to get it to work
[09:02] <Vaske_Car> it ubuntu buggy as Suse? (crash handle is most active application in there)
[09:02] <aftertaf> !info jackd
[09:02] <ubotu> jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.0-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[09:02] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: have you been to portforward.com  ?
[09:03] <fatejudger> aftertaf: do you use jackd?
[09:04] <aftertaf> nope.... was loking to see what it is.
[09:04] <fatejudger> it's like aRts
[09:04] <fatejudger> but with no latency
[09:04] <fatejudger> I can't get it to work
[09:05] <aftertaf> no idea.. sory
[09:06] <srbaker> sigh
[09:06] <srbaker> fucking nautilus keeps eating my DVD-Rs
[09:07] <vu> Any clue if anyone is working on the Linux version of dashboard with all great add ons like the OSX community has?
[09:07] <johndarkhorse> vu, you mean something like adesklets, gdesklets or superkaramba?
[09:07] <vu> johndarkhorse, Hmm..never heard of those ;-(
[09:08] <srbaker> i've only ever heard of gdesklets
[09:08] <aftertaf> superkarambe :)
[09:08] <aftertaf> _e +a
[09:09] <johndarkhorse> vu, they are all available via apt-get
[09:09] <srbaker> superkaramba is better than gdesklets?
[09:09] <locomorto> superkarmba pwns
[09:09] <aftertaf> different
[09:09] <aftertaf> what is pwns?
[09:09] <vu> johndarkhorse, Under ubuntu right?
[09:10] <johndarkhorse> srbaker: superkaramba is kde based
[09:10] <srbaker> ahh
[09:10] <johndarkhorse> vu: you can search them out using synaptic
[09:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> what can i do to find out why my cdrom has no /dev/ entry?  it used to be /dev/scd0 and now it's not there.
[09:10] <Vaske_Car> treba i?i spavati
[09:11] <johndarkhorse> srbaker: gdesklets ore for gnome oriented, and adesklets are DM agnostic
[09:11] <srbaker> ah
[09:11] <Madpilot> aftertaf: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwns  ;)
[09:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> could hal help me figure out what's up with my dvdrw?
[09:14] <srbaker> grrr
[09:14] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: so your problem is that there is no device?
[09:15] <aftertaf> locomorto, Madpilot ... :) oki.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> right
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> there was before..for months.
[09:16] <Madpilot> aftertaf: amazing what you learn here, isn't it?
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> today everything is going haywire on my computer.  that is only like 5 months old i might add.
[09:16] <Madpilot> anyway, I'm off. need sleep. later, all
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> my computer keeps freezing
[09:16] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: hoary or breezy?
[09:16] <aftertaf> Madpilot:  insane :)
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i have to reboot
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> hoary.
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> how could i be using breezy?
[09:16] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: hm, and everything worked well before? could really be a hardware problem then
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> out of nowhere?
[09:17] <tritium> he's got unofficial repos for one thing
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i don't.
[09:17] <tritium> yes, I saw them earlier today
[09:17] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: ladder check your thermal conditions (dust on the heatsink, fan operations ,etc)
[09:17] <tritium> your alsa repos
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a couple that are just for minisip and another app, but not for any ubuntu stuff.
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude, this computer is clean as a whistel
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just a few months old, and the heat sink is like a hot rod engine with metal tubes and a powerful fan.
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> shouldn't i be able to see the temperature?
[09:19] <fredforfaen> yeah with lm-sensors
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> bogomips        : 6324.22 that's nice
[09:19] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, if you're using unofficial repos for alsa, i would say that's a likely candidate for breakage.
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not
[09:19] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, bad ram is the most likely cause of random freezes though.  followed by driver issues.
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> what are you talking about?
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> the ram i got was very highly rated at newegg
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, so?  it could still be bad.
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> this all follows an upgrade i just did
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, what got upgraded?
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> hell if i know.  there's no way to cehck
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> check
[09:20] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you don't recall what got upgraded, and therefore can't guarantee that something didn't get pulled in from the alsa repos
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, well it asks you before it upgrades and tells you what it's upgrading. you should've noticed.
[09:21] <fredforfaen> hey i had the same issue with gtk2 apps recently , every app hanged the comp....maybe its something like that?
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> srbaker never had any reason to look
[09:21] <tritium> you should always pay attention
[09:21] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, you always have reason to look.  the reason is, there may be random lock ups afterward.
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> never had a reason to before
[09:21] <srbaker> :P
[09:21] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, same reason.  you just got lucky before.
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would the upgrades be unstable?
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought the whole point is, they should be stable
[09:22] <srbaker> sigh.
[09:22] <srbaker> because they can't be tested in every possible configuration
[09:22] <fredforfaen> true srbaker
[09:22] <fredforfaen> that imposiible , or close to
[09:23] <fredforfaen> impossible*
[09:23] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, you should always pay attention to what's happening.  if you don't, then when something breaks, you'll have no idea why.
[09:23] <Dark|Blue> is it possible to start up gparted / parted with just the ubuntu cd?
[09:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't even notice until hours later that my cdrom wasn't working.
[09:23] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, so next time you do an upgrade, you'll pay attention, right?
[09:24] <fredforfaen> that sounds like a broken system allright :P
[09:24] <kushboy> PLEASE HELP :)  I have SB Audigy and no sound. Any way to correct this?
[09:24] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, run memtest, too.  just in case.
[09:24] <fredforfaen> alsaconf , run it
[09:24] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, memtest will let you know if there's any bad hardware.
[09:24] <jknife> kushboy, alsa modules loaded?
[09:24] <fredforfaen> kushboy<---------------
[09:24] <kushboy> I think some
[09:24] <Dark|Blue> kushboy: run alsamixer, make sure the center channel isnt muted
[09:25] <kushboy> hm...I think it was
[09:25] <kushboy> let me test it
[09:25] <Dark|Blue> think its muted by default
[09:25] <zcat[1] > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:25] <kushboy> gotta find an audio cd or something
[09:25] <kushboy> might be a minute
[09:26] <zcat[1] > yep.. that's stable :)
[09:26] <fredforfaen> well have to go gyes , bye all!
[09:27] <kushboy> ALRIGHT, CD is playing, Volume meter bouncing, but no sound
[09:27] <srbaker> kushboy, something must be muted.  PCM?
[09:27] <jknife> are the speakers pluged in?
[09:27] <kushboy> yeah, they work on windows
[09:28] <kushboy> master surround is off
[09:28] <kushboy> surround is off
[09:28] <srbaker> kushboy, unmute everything
[09:28] <kushboy> k
[09:28] <Vaske_Car> vu odgovori privatno
[09:29] <kushboy> everything is on, and raised to 100
[09:29] <kushboy> no sound
[09:29] <Cashel> kushboy: also under System > Preferences > Multimedia Selector  .. make sure everything is e Sound  or ESD .. also make sure whatever your using is too...
[09:30] <kushboy> I made em ESD. Is there a way to check that setting on CD Player?
[09:31] <Cashel> kushboy, what cd player app you using?
[09:31] <kushboy> the one ubuntu came with
[09:31] <Cashel> "CD Player" ?
[09:31] <kushboy> yes
[09:31] <Cashel> got ya nevermind, heh
[09:32] <kushboy> anything else i can try? Audigy is supposed to work?
[09:32] <Dark|Blue> You sure its using the right device in the Sound control?
[09:33] <Cashel> hmm doesnt look like CD Player has a choice for it... tried installing mplayer?
[09:33] <kushboy> I can install that (but the volume meter is bouncing)
[09:33] <kushboy> How do I check for the right device?
[09:33] <Cashel> you can try under that same app making them Alsa or OSS as a last resort...
[09:33] <kushboy> oh wait
[09:33] <kushboy> alsaMixer says Card: Intel...
[09:33] <kushboy> I'm guessing that's my onboard
[09:34] <Dark|Blue> right click the volume icon on your top right, Open Volume Control - File / Change Device
[09:34] <jknife> yeah ubuntu likes onboard better then actual cards
[09:35] <Cashel> is .wav a restricted format maybe??
[09:35] <kushboy> alright, changed to Audigy device. But still no sound
[09:35] <aftertaf> disablage in bios.
[09:35] <kushboy> AlsaMixer still mentions Intel
[09:36] <zcat[1] > 9414515001628
[09:36] <zcat[1] > gah!!
[09:36] <kushboy> do I need to restart or anything?
[09:37] <Dark|Blue> so, when you run alsamixer it says Intel under "Chip"?
[09:37] <kushboy> yeah Intel ICH5
[09:37] <kushboy> wait, no
[09:37] <kushboy> That's CARD
[09:37] <kushboy> CHIP is Analo Devices AD1985
[09:37] <zcat[1] > alsamixer -d /dev/mixer1 perhaps?
[09:37] <kushboy> what's that do?
[09:38] <kushboy> I have a mixer mixer1 and mixer2...
[09:38] <jknife> try em all
[09:40] <kushboy> error for all "ALSA lib control.c:739:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL mixer1"
[09:40] <kushboy> function snd_ctl_open failed for mixer1...no such file or dir
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> memtest?
[09:40] <holycow> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170700325 <-- whoa
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no program called alsaconf
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least on my machine
[09:41] <Razor-X> holycow: holy cow! :)
[09:41] <Revelation> ^^
[09:41] <Revelation> *yaaaaawns*
[09:41] <Razor-X> holycow: have you heard the story about AOL being too hard to cancel?
[09:42] <holycow> Razor-X, yes, and i actually had that problem with one of our offices here
[09:42] <holycow> not with aol but another local provider
[09:42] <holycow> its is dirty dirty dirty nasty business
[09:42] <holycow> *grrr*
[09:42] <kushboy> so I'm stuck for now?
[09:42] <Razor-X> kushboy: what's the problem?
[09:42] <Razor-X> kushboy: sound?
[09:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is "memtest"?
[09:42] <kushboy> yeah
[09:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no such app
[09:43] <kushboy> how do I type to one person only?
[09:43] <zcat[1] > memtest86+ - A thorough real-mode memory tester
[09:43] <Razor-X> OpenDocument
[09:43] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, apt-get install memtester
[09:43] <jknife> BROKEN_LADDER, when you boot up press 'ESC' and chose memtest+
[09:43] <Razor-X> what's that? something like LaTeX?
[09:43] <zcat[1] > It's not a regular app; you run it directly from GRUB instead of loading a linux kernel..
[09:43] <jknife> it comes default with the desktop install
[09:44] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: right before Ubuntu boots, hit Esc, and then run Memtest86+
[09:44] <Razor-X> it's boot from GRUB like an OS, and then test s your RAM
[09:44] <Razor-X> s/t s/ts/
[09:44] <`paul> if you have root access how do you change a group of a user using CLI?
[09:45] <Razor-X> `paul: change a group in what sense?
[09:45] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you and LaTeX
[09:45] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: what can I say? LaTeX is infectious
[09:45] <Razor-X> LaTeX and ConTeX are done perfectly well
[09:46] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: and is emacs controlling your family automobile yet?
[09:46] <lopingo> need help
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: almost there
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: it can already do a WM
[09:46] <Razor-X> lopingo: shoot
[09:46] <lopingo> ok
[09:46] <lopingo> its about firefox connection setting
[09:46] <tritium> Razor-X, actually LaTeX 3 should be a huge improvement over 2e
[09:46] <`paul> ?
[09:46] <lopingo> umm
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: like I said, i'm theorizing in the future, GRUB boots a mini-kernel that boots emacs that boots the macro kernel that boots the real OS :)
[09:46] <lopingo> i confiured the proxy settings but it wont work
[09:46] <lopingo> configured*
[09:47] <Razor-X> tritium: so i've heard
[09:47] <Razor-X> tritium: is it going to change the syntax too dramatically, especially for math?
[09:47] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X has emacs for a brain
[09:47] <lopingo> i can chat like here but cant suft the net
[09:47] <tritium> Razor-X, no
[09:47] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: if only I could C-s my room :(
[09:47] <lopingo> so, any solutions?
[09:47] <zcat[1] > never mind the OS, just boot straight into emacs
[09:47] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: what style proxy is it
[09:48] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : yeah, but, not everyone can take that much emacs (I can though)
[09:48] <synd> how well does E17 play with Ubuntu?
[09:48] <Razor-X> synd: pretty well, actually
[09:48] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: a regular glutton for punishment
[09:48] <Razor-X> synd: I tried it, didn't like it much though
[09:48] <johndarkhorse> synd: it will play well when breezy comes out
[09:48] <lopingo> anyone?
[09:48] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: well, at least I don't need 20 screens open for editing multiple documents in vi
[09:48] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: and I don't have to memorize different control sets for different applications
[09:49] <Razor-X> tritium: awesome
[09:49] <Razor-X> my school teachers have likened pretty well to LaTeX, actually, they haven't said anything
[09:49] <Razor-X> and I do the majority of it in letterpaper,11pt
[09:49] <synd> johndarkhorse: i just got the new elive 0.3livecd
[09:49] <synd> johndarkhorse: im *really* liking e17
[09:49] <lopingo> helo?
[09:50] <jknife> try dillo
[09:50] <Razor-X> lopingo: I said above ``What style of proxy is it?''
[09:50] <jknife> ohh nevermind
[09:50] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you asked me the proxy question
[09:50] <lopingo> dillo, ok. Razor-X, style of proxy, meaning?
[09:50] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: oh, did I?
[09:50] <Razor-X> lopingo: SOCKS, HTTP, etc.
[09:51] <synd> johndarkhorse: but there was no american keyboard layout..? i have to use the british one, therefore shift-3 doesnt give me an american pound.
[09:51] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: and i just figgered it was the emacs gettin in the way of your fingers
[09:51] <synd> gives me this: 
[09:51] <lopingo> umm
[09:51] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: or my faulty use of tab complete :)
[09:51] <Razor-X> lopingo: what port does it use?
[09:52] <lopingo> Razor-X: all same, 8080
[09:52] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: j and l are in two differernt spots
[09:52] <lopingo> 192.168.1.1:8080
[09:52] <Razor-X> lopingo: it's a local proxy hmmm?
[09:52] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: yeah, I was thinking something wrong, hence I used tab complete the wrong way
[09:52] <fluffybunny_> i can't su from a terminal - how can i fix this?
[09:52] <lopingo> erms, what's local proxy? im sorry cuz i am totally new
[09:52] <fluffybunny_> i can sudo, but not su
[09:52] <Razor-X> lopingo: how did you configure your Firefox?
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: sudo -i
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: same thing as ``su''
[09:53] <Razor-X> lopingo: local as in, it points to something on your LAN
[09:53] <CaiN_SA> in what file does ubuntu save its network settings ?
[09:53] <zcat[1] > or sudo -s
[09:53] <tritium> CaiN_SA, /etc/network/interfaces
[09:53] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X:  ok... but why doesn't su work? i put in the right password, and it tells me "Authentication error"
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: no root password, that's why
[09:53] <lopingo> mm
[09:54] <lopingo> i jsut configure the ethernet settings
[09:54] <lopingo> just*
[09:54] <CaiN_SA> Tritium
[09:54] <zcat[1] > su doesn't work because it's a bad idea. :)
[09:54] <lopingo> and also at the network proxy preferences
[09:54] <CaiN_SA> but my stuff isnt in there
[09:54] <tritium> CaiN_SA, that's where network interfaces are defined.  man interfaces for more info
[09:54] <dazvid> fluffybunny_,  sudo (your command here) runs it as a root command
[09:54] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X:  hmmm. I thought the pwd for the Synaptic package manager was the same as the root password?
[09:54] <Razor-X> lopingo: as in, you went inside Gnome and configured the Ethernet settings _and_ the browser?
[09:55] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: it is tantamount to the root password, but not exactly the root password, because no root password really exists
[09:55] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X: cool, thanks
[09:55] <lopingo> Razor-X: i think no the browser, just ethernet settings
[09:55] <lopingo> not*
[09:55] <Razor-X> lopingo: so X Chat works, but Firefox doesen't?
[09:56] <Razor-X> try configuring Firefox with the proxy, I guess
[09:56] <lopingo> Razor-X: yeap
[09:56] <lopingo> i did
[09:56] <lopingo> but still wont work
[09:56] <CaiN_SA> tritium thx i just didnt read file correctly
[09:56] <lopingo> i used windowsxp in vmware and configure the proxy for firefox and it works
[09:56] <lopingo> but i wonder why not in linux?
[09:57] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: what irc client are you using?
[09:57] <Razor-X> lopingo: you have tried Firefox without any proxy settings, correct?
[09:57] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: erc, of course
[09:57] <lopingo> yeap
[09:57] <Razor-X> lopingo: Firefox works without the proxy, I presume?
[09:57] <lopingo> no, it doesnt
[09:57] <Razor-X> ugghhh, at this point, i'ld reccomend a network dump, but that's stuff I shouldn't see :(
[09:58] <Razor-X> lopingo: as in, without a proxy on the system at all
[09:58] <Razor-X> lopingo: or is your connection totally proxy-dependant?
[09:58] <lopingo> hm
[09:58] <lopingo> yes it is
[09:58] <georgeblunt> hey there
[09:58] <zcat[1] > should work exactly the same way under linux ..
[09:59] <lopingo> if i change the ethernet settings to dhcp, then i'll get disconnected
[09:59] <lopingo> oh
[09:59] <Razor-X> lopingo: like I said, I would reccomend a network dump, but for someone that can read that right, it can be on the verge of privacy peering, and it's a bit hard for the average user to sift through
[09:59] <lopingo> network dump, how?
[09:59] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : yeah, a netdump works wonders here to see if traffic is actually being sent, if packets of X protocol are being blocket, etc.
[10:00] <none_-> heh.. try changing the browser ID string
[10:00] <Razor-X> lopingo: get ethereal and make a dump
[10:00] <zcat[1] > hehe, a network dump of my proxy traffic wouldn't help you :)
[10:00] <Razor-X> none_-: I don't thing this has to d owith that
[10:00] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : well, that's because it's SSH tunneled :)
[10:00] <lopingo> Razor-X: ok
[10:00] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : I have an SSH tunnel I use for sensitive stuff also
[10:00] <lopingo> >.>
[10:00] <none_-> he can get on IRC but not HTTP
[10:01] <Razor-X> lopingo: wait, you're using Ubuntu in vmware?
[10:01] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: have you gotten any of my /notice's or /msg's ?
[10:01] <lopingo> no
[10:01] <lopingo> windows in vmware
[10:01] <Razor-X> lopingo: install Ethereal in Linux
[10:01] <zcat[1] > that's weird.. firefox in linux should definately work he same was as under XP..
[10:01] <lopingo> okay
[10:01] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: I probably have got your /notice's, but not the /msg's
[10:01] <Dark|Blue> does anyone know if there is a program like Ventrilo for Linux? or maybe a way to get Ventrilo to work in ubuntu?
[10:01] <lopingo> zcat[1] : hehe, i wonder why.
[10:02] <Razor-X> lemme check my other buffer
[10:02] <none_-> so.. your linux irc client works fine.. but not your linux firefox
[10:02] <none_-> ?
[10:03] <Razor-X> lopingo: have you tried something other than Firefox?
[10:03] <zcat[1] > tried clearing the cache, shift-refresh, etc? check for typos?
[10:03] <`paul> as root and using CLI  how do i view the entire users list with their corsponding groups?
[10:04] <lopingo> Razor-X: im gonna try opera or dillo
[10:04] <lopingo> but not now though
[10:04] <Razor-X> but I need to know if it's a problem with HTTP in general, or just Firefox
[10:04] <Myrtti> lopingo: do try opera, they're giving out free registration codes
[10:04] <lopingo> i dun think it's HTTP cuz i can surf the net wif windows
[10:04] <Razor-X> yeah, same here
[10:04] <lopingo> Myrtti: sure
[10:05] <wizo> i think it was broken last time
[10:05] <Razor-X> Myrtti: they are
[10:05] <Myrtti> and installing is easy because they offer ubuntu debs for download
[10:05] <Myrtti> Razor-X: yup
[10:05] <Myrtti> sudo dpkg -i ubuntupackage.deb
[10:05] <Myrtti> <3
[10:05] <lopingo> okay
[10:05] <zcat[1] > what does opera do that moz can't?
[10:05] <none_-> sounds like a proxy authentication problem to me..
[10:05] <lopingo> :)
[10:05] <Razor-X> oh, it's a 250 thing :(
[10:05] <none_-> opera is way better
[10:05] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : a lot, I don't want to start a holy war here though
[10:06] <zcat[1] > hehe. ok.
[10:06] <wizo> hmm i followed the instructions on the ubuntuguide.org and i still cant use java on sites
[10:06] <Myrtti> zcat[1] : for me it does load up more fast
[10:06] <lopingo> ok, brb, gonna install opera
[10:06] <Myrtti> zcat[1] : but still I use firefox
[10:06] <johndarkhorse> wizo: ubuntuguide is not a good thing to follow
[10:06] <zcat[1] > I might give opera a spin..
[10:06] <wizo> johndarkhorse: oh
[10:06] <Razor-X> i'm a tab freak
[10:06] <none_-> opera is versatile and lightweight
[10:06] <Razor-X> and it works much better when you have more than 13 tabs
[10:06] <wizo> tabs are good ^^
[10:06] <none_-> among other things
[10:06] <zcat[1] > eFFay: Package opera has no installation candidate
[10:07] <none_-> firefox is seriously bloated in comparison
[10:07] <zcat[1] > bah!! "E: "
[10:07] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : it's not free
[10:07] <dducko> it was the other day...
[10:07] <wizo> so errr, any ideas why it doesnt have java plugins?
[10:07] <wizo> i installed java again that day
[10:07] <Myrtti> it is free, but it's not downloadable via apt
[10:07] <Myrtti> opera.com
[10:07] <none_-> make sure the plugin file is executable
[10:07] <zcat[1] >  free but not Free?
[10:07] <Razor-X> Myrtti: not free as in libre
[10:08] <Myrtti> no, not as in libre
[10:08] <Razor-X> but free as in coors for the adds-version
[10:08] <wizo> O..o
[10:08] <dducko> They had a 10  year aniversery and for one day... you could get a serial for free
[10:08] <Razor-X> (I stopped saying beer because an OSS beer came out)
[10:08] <dducko> Sucks for people that bought it the week before
[10:08] <wizo> lol
[10:08] <Juhaz> OSS beer has always been out, but I suppose someones publicity stunt getting to slashdot makes all the difference
[10:08] <wizo> or the day before
[10:08] <Razor-X> dducko: meh
[10:09] <Razor-X> Juhaz: it was on slashdot?
[10:09] <Razor-X> I never read slashdot so... meh
[10:09] <Juhaz> it was
[10:09] <zcat[1] > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4718719.stm
[10:09] <dducko> never heard of /. till i found digg
[10:09] <none_-> slashdot is lame.
[10:09] <Razor-X> dducko: meh :)
[10:09] <Razor-X> slashdot far predates digg, but I refuse to call it a blog, hell ``blog'' shouldn't exist (IMO)
[10:10] <dducko> course i havent been on since I got Ubuntu installed
[10:10] <dducko> too much to do too much to see
[10:11] <adriyel_prodigy> hello all
[10:11] <adriyel_prodigy> ... mv ~/BillGates.EXE ~/.desktop/trashbin <--- :)
[10:12] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: meh
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: disagree?
[10:12] <none_-> what part of columbus, adriyel_prodigy
[10:12] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: not a bit
[10:12] <zcat[1] > Umm wouldn't that be BILLGA~1.EXE ?
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> none_ thanks for the WHOIS lookup on my ISP
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> LOL @ dos reference
[10:12] <wizo> mmm no java plugin and i need it for my java applet homework
[10:12] <holycow> rofl!!!!
[10:12] <No1Viking> What's the number of linux type EXT3 when using cfdisk?
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> last time I login to IRC without tor @ none_- lolz...
[10:13] <none_-> hah.
[10:13] <holycow> firefox uses 95 megs of ram at startup with a blank page!!!!!!!
[10:13] <adriyel_prodigy> I don't live in Columbus, I live near it
[10:13] <holycow> jesus!
[10:13] <johndarkhorse> adriyel_prodigy: why would you send to /trashbin, when /dev/null is so much nicer?
[10:13] <wizo> holycow: thats really holycow
[10:13] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : ~ doesen't exist in DOS
[10:13] <adriyel_prodigy> johndarkhorse: /dev/null wasn't used for the nubs sake
[10:13] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, 's why I use Opera
[10:13] <johndarkhorse> adriyel_prodigy: new users need to learn, also
[10:13] <holycow> thats bloody horrible!
[10:13] <holycow> epiphany uses 65 megs!
[10:14] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you use opera? emacs doesnt supply your every intenet need?
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> johndarkhorse: granted, but Ubuntu philosophy doesn't embrace that idea wholly, not that I am using Ubuntu atm
[10:14] <holycow> how can a browser use that much ram to start?
[10:14] <wizo> but i need java plugin, someone help me with the plugin for java?
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> I am using Zenwalk, slack based, VERY nice.
[10:14] <holycow> Razor-X, what does opera consume at startup?
[10:14] <No1Viking> What's the number of linux type EXT3 when using cfdisk?
[10:14] <wizo> use lynx
[10:14] <wizo> links*
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> holycow, lots and lots of caching...lolz
[10:14] <none_-> 25mb or so
[10:14] <zcat[1] > elinks
[10:14] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: he probably uses CRON to periodically mv trashbin/* /dev/nul
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> links2 is good
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: there you go :)
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> even though I don't bother with cron.d
[10:14] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: unfortunately, I don't _always_ use text (internet is the thing there)
[10:14] <dducko> No1Viking ext3 is 83
[10:15] <No1Viking> Thanks dducko!
[10:15] <adriyel_prodigy> I don't have any tasks that need automated, unless I can teach my PC to code in C independently
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> ok
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> guys
[10:15] <zcat[1] > find /trashbin -ctime +7days -exec rm {} \;
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> i wanted to find out
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> do you guys prefer
[10:15] <zcat[1] > (nice way to delete old stuff)
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> the sudo thing
[10:15] <adriyel_prodigy> although I might set up a periodical FTP backup of my code, that should be fun to script...
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> or normal old root has a password ?
[10:15] <Razor-X> o_O, does Open Document support Spreadsheet formats
[10:15] <Razor-X> awesome!
[10:15] <none_-> normal old root
[10:15] <zcat[1] > normal old root's password crypt is *
[10:15] <dducko> do both CaiN_SA
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> nah
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> CaiN_SA: I'll take sudo, for most purposes...except when updating packages
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> im working on new impilinux
[10:16] <Razor-X> CaiN_SA: I used to prefer su, but i've gotten too used to sudo
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> based on ubuntu
[10:16] <ompaul> !tell Cidolfas about sudo
[10:16] <dducko> I use sudo for most things.. but Root for others
[10:16] <none_-> the sudo thing is redundant
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> CaiN_SA: you're a dev? Razor-X: yeah, after getting used to it, sudo is nice.
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> so i was wondering how i was gonna make it
[10:16] <zcat[1] > I try to always use sudo .. sometimes I cheat and sudo -s
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> erm adriyel_prodigy well i wouldnt say im a dev
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> but
[10:16] <dducko> ompaul thanks for the help last night.. everything is running smooth now
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> meh, you're forking Ubuntu? why bother...Ubuntu is a distant enough bastard of Debian as is, we don't need another distro snubbing the DCCA
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> i know people personally who are
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> _
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> +
[10:17] <ompaul> dducko, glad to hear hit
[10:17] <_BIJ_> good morning!
[10:17] <CaiN_SA> im head developer
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> (and debian politics are another reason I use slack distro's...lolz)
[10:17] <ompaul> dducko, s/hit/it
[10:17] <CaiN_SA> of a different distro
[10:17] <none_-> distant?
[10:17] <zcat[1] > fork slackware!!
[10:17] <none_-> it's been forked
[10:17] <zcat[1] > nobody ever forks slack do they?
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> none_-: *shrugs*
[10:17] <none_-> there's a fork for the amd64 arch
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> zcat[1] : its not so much an issue of forking, as it is staying along the general concept and method
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> slamd64 is good, I've tried it, needs polish though, and they're ignoring the stability focus of slackware a titch too much, although the development speed is cool
[10:18] <_BIJ_> i've got a problem with the resolution for my new ati-display-drivers... would anyone be so nice and try to help me?
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> <--- AMD 3500
[10:18] <zcat[1] > that reminds me; I was gonna download a recent slack and see how it is these days. Been a few years since I last used it.
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> I wish all distro's forced non-root + sudo...
[10:18] <none_-> amd64 support on linux is not very good no matter what distro you use
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> zcat[1] : I would recommend Zenwalk or Slamd64
[10:19] <wizo> hmm
[10:19] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, well I suppose we could write a script :)
[10:19] <wizo> synaptic says i have j2re1.5 installed
[10:19] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with using qemu and creating a tun device?
[10:19] <adriyel_prodigy> none_-: the best environment for amd64 has been Ubuntu, in terms of ease. although for maintenance, Gentoo takes that area
[10:19] <_BIJ_> the resolution in my xorg file is 1280x800 but my display shows 1280x786... what can i do?
[10:19] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, and for users in wheel we give em all
[10:19] <holycow> is there an app to keep open office loaded and in ram perpetually in the background?
[10:19] <Razor-X> !tell _BIJ_ about resolution
[10:19] <none_-> true, especially for multimedia
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: holy cow!
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> ompaul: yeah, script involves.... PWN http://distrosite.com && ROOTKIT http://distrosite.com && sudohack ftp://distrosite/src
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: who would want that?!
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> sound like a plan?
[10:20] <holycow> Razor-X, fast startup times
[10:20] <_BIJ_> whoa thx!
[10:20] <fblade> hey guys i know i ask this last night but i forgot to wright it down what the chmod command  for changeing the bin fileso you can run it?
[10:20] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, its getting there
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> I give my user account all in sudoers...
[10:20] <none_-> chmod +x
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: you actually use Oo ?
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> BAH, Linspire needs to go to Hell
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> its MS Linux incarnate
[10:20] <zcat[1] > and really slow everything else?
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> fsckers are leaving the unix way.
[10:20] <holycow> of course, its amazing
[10:20] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: yeah, unfortunately
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> or Linux way as well
[10:20] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: it defeats the point of the UNIX security model
[10:21] <fblade> chmod +x syas permission denied when i try and run it
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> sadly, most new users are using either Linspire or something else, INDEED IT DOES
[10:21] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, that would be the rootkit me baby o/s
[10:21] <none_-> you need to be the owner of the file
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> I love the permissions/wheel setup, I remember what the NT environment was like, Unix/Linux is heaven compared to that nonsense
[10:21] <zcat[1] > just keep sending the OOo binary sigusr's or something to keep it awake?
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> chown username:group /file
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: I heard Vista will actually implement something similar to UNIX security model
[10:22] <holycow> zcat[1] , there has to be a better way
[10:22] <Juhaz> most new users? I've yet to see anyone using linspire
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> btw, is it me, or do the prototypes of commands (examples) in the MAN pages seem really convoluted most of the time?
[10:22] <fblade> i know butlast night i got told that you can use anouther command  like chmod l-x
[10:22] <Razor-X> after they realized just how much better an MSH would be
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: already tested beta, its a copy of it
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: the GUI is Mac incarnate, *laughs*
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: meh
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> its just Mac/BSD concepts being stolen
[10:22] <ekimus> !release
[10:22] <ubotu> A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: well, the BSD concept was stolen, now it's being stolen again
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> nothing Linux specific that I could see, but they're definitely stealing some code/concepts from BSD/Mac again
[10:23] <none_-> fblade, man chmod .. it is better to use the numeric method.
[10:23] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: they've always legally stolen code from BSD...and then put it through Hell
[10:23] <zcat[1] > Do I have to order Breezy cd's or will my old order still be valid?
[10:23] <fblade> ta
[10:23] <_BIJ_> Razor-X, i've read the wiki, but my problem is, that the xorg.conf has the right resolution value 1280x800 and before upgrading to the ati-drivers the resolution was ok...
[10:23] <No1Viking> OK, now I've used cfdisk and there are partitions in there. What is my next step?
[10:23] <holycow> i feel sorry for the bsd guys
[10:23] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: that's what really gets me about the BSD license
[10:23] <adriyel_prodigy> *sighs, shakes head* when will they learn that there's a reason the BSD License isn't sufficient
[10:23] <holycow> they claim to be doing the right thing, but they are just being hosed over and over again
[10:23] <Razor-X> that's what makes me hate Apple in the depths of my being
[10:24] <Razor-X> legality shmegality, they stole!
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: exactly, I'd recognized from my earlier days that it couldn't protect anyone
[10:24] <Seveas> ghrm...
[10:24] <holycow> as a result of their dumb licencing ideals
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> whereas...
[10:24] <Razor-X> they fscking stole, plain and simple
[10:24] <Seveas> ETOPIC ....
[10:24] <none_-> it's not stealing ;)
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> Apple and M$ both have stolen copious amts of BSD code
[10:24] <Razor-X> *bump to offtopic*
[10:24] <holycow> Razor-X, indeed, not only stole but they are giving nothing back
[10:24] <Razor-X> sorry, I just had to do that :)
[10:24] <Seveas> Razor-X, thank you :)
[10:24] <holycow> if it wasn't for bsd apple would be dead
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> "our" license requires that the bastards give back
[10:24] <zcat[1] > how can you steal BSD code?
[10:24] <Juhaz> they want to be hosed, no point feeling sorry
[10:24] <none_-> they've given back plenty - seen darwin?
[10:24] <holycow> their work on the new os was going to hell until someone with a clue picked up bsd and customized it
[10:24] <No1Viking> OK, now I've used cfdisk and there are partitions in there. What is my next step?
[10:24] <Seveas> holycow, adriyel_prodigy zcat[1]  -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:25] <Razor-X> why is offtopic dead, and all the offtopic chat happens here?
[10:25] <Razor-X> I never understand that
[10:25] <adriyel_prodigy> holycow: you can thank NeXT for giving them a purgatory until they found BSD though, *shudders* I really couldn't tolerate Mac's until they adopted BSD, even though I'd rather use Windows than OS X
[10:25] <Seveas> Razor-X, because people don't know #u-o :)
[10:25] <adriyel_prodigy> mjr: sorry, we talk like the RIAA/M$/MPAA here. :)
[10:25] <holycow> Razor-X, becauser you can't have a planned offtopic, offtopics are a creative outlet, albeit i understand the request
[10:25] <Razor-X> Seveas: but it in the topic
[10:25] <none_-> No1Viking: make the file system?
[10:26] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, but then we say ``Offtopic time'' and leave :)
[10:26] <Seveas> No1Viking, mkfs makes filesystems
[10:26] <Seveas> and then you can mount then with mount :)
[10:26] <No1Viking> OK, thanks guys
[10:26] <holycow> adriyel_prodigy, people shit on rms, but imho the man is a genious
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> HERE HERE!
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> they mock him for being a zealot, but his zealotry has preserved our code!
[10:26] <Seveas> holycow, adriyel_prodigy -> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:26] <holycow> gpl is the greatest thing to happen to the software world in a long time... well long time ago whatever
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> *nods* yessir
[10:26] <pitti> Riddell: ping
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> lets take this #u-o
[10:26] <zcat[1] > Hmm.. finally I actually found the recipie for Vores Oel -- gonna see if WLUG will sponsor making a batch so we can have truly Free Beer at our end of year bbq..
[10:27] <Seveas> zcat[1] , *g*
[10:27] <talios> anyone know how to get hoary/breezy to recognise a FastTrak 100 Promise IDE controller?
[10:27] <zcat[1] > plus it has Gurana in it..
[10:27] <johndarkhorse> talios: talk about a dinosaur
[10:28] <talios> johndarkhorse, machines only about 5 years old, I just screwed my Fedora install so HAD to reinstall something, had a breezy/hoary iso so trying that.  no joy thou
[10:29] <johndarkhorse> talios: but tha controller ... ... ... graybeard city
[10:30] <talios> yeh well, thems the breaks :(
[10:30] <talios> I guess i'll have to hunt for my FC cds.   was really wanting to ubuntu this machine thou :(
[10:31] <fblade> im now logged in root and tried accessing the bin file and i get permission denied are there any othe chmod commands
[10:31] <CaiN_SA> fblade,
[10:31] <gjoemmie> llo there fellas!
[10:31] <CaiN_SA> chmod u+r filename
[10:31] <johndarkhorse> fblade: if the bin file isnt an executable, being root will not change it
[10:31] <Mayday> is there a way to see what one has installed from uni- and multiverse?
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> and if you want to run it
[10:32] <gjoemmie> I have Ubuntu on my computer now, but I need Windows too, can I put them both on at the same time?
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> chmod u+x filename
[10:32] <talios> johndarkhorse, at least the breazy livecd works :p  ( although, doesn't setup PPPoE on startup - would have been a nice addition )
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> yes gjoemmie
[10:32] <mjr> gjoemmie, both can be installed, though (normally) only one run at a time
[10:32] <johndarkhorse> talios: there are shortcomings for everyone
[10:33] <gjoemmie> bcuz I tried putting my Windows operating cd in the cd-drive
[10:33] <gjoemmie> It asked on which partition I wanted to put it
[10:33] <holycow> http://dot.kde.org/1125757722/  <-- heh, reading that makes me think kde will eventually become gnome
[10:33] <gjoemmie> I said: make a new one
[10:33] <gjoemmie> but it didnt respond
[10:33] <gjoemmie> anyone has an idea?
[10:33] <ciplogic> How do I setup the GNOME to be translated into spanish?
[10:34] <gjoemmie> and do you understand my situation?
[10:34] <talios> johndarkhorse, yep :(  time for a new box I guess... (long overdue anyway)
[10:34] <benplaut> !localization
[10:34] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[10:34] <talios> mmm, desperate housewives on telly - w00t.
[10:34] <Juhaz> johndarkhorse, I'm sure few months old hardware is ancient to some folks, but 2000 wasn't really all that long ago
[10:34] <No1Viking> ifstab
[10:34] <johndarkhorse> Juhaz: an eternity plus an eon, lol
[10:35] <ciplogic> !localisation
[10:35] <ubotu> ciplogic: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:35] <johndarkhorse> !tell No1Viking about ntfs
[10:35] <zcat[1] > gjoemmie: I suggest you install XP first .. (if you only just installed ubuntu, prepare to reinstall it) - make a moderate sized partition for XP, and leave the rest 'unallocated' for ubuntu ..
[10:35] <ciplogic> !yes
[10:35] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, ciplogic?
[10:36] <zcat[1] > Then once XP is installed, install ubuntu on the free space.. it'll set up dual-boot for you by itself
[10:36] <ciplogic> ciplogic: Do they come in packets of five? what means
[10:37] <zcat[1] > talios: kiwi too huh?
[10:38] <talios> yep - you're nicks familiar too....
[10:38] <No1Viking> !fstab
[10:38] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, No1Viking
[10:38] <No1Viking> LOL
[10:38] <No1Viking> !mount'
[10:38] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, No1Viking
[10:38] <No1Viking> !mount
[10:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> ubotu, lear to spell :P
[10:38] <ubotu> CaiN_SA: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> wtf
[10:38] <odyssey> ha
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> its a bot
[10:39] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: dont abuse the bot, what do you want?
[10:39] <zcat[1] > Iltonham?
[10:39] <talios> zcat[1] , what part of middleearth you hail from>
[10:39] <talios> ?
[10:39] <benplaut> i don't think he knew it was a bot, nalioth
[10:39] <No1Viking> I would like to know the syntax for adding disks in fstab
[10:39] <zcat[1] > Iltonham on Waikato
[10:39] <holycow> Nor was any of that necessary: a simple troubleshooting exercise showed that the memory wasn't the problem. When we connected the machine to a newer NEC flat-panel monitor, the video problem went away. Linspire apparently lacked the correct drivers to support the older CRT monitor.  <-- my god how i hate retards writing tech columns
[10:40] <Hmmmm> hi guys, im using hoary-x86 on an amd64 system. i cant get skype to work. can someone help me pls?
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: we have a nice script that will add your fat32, ntfs and hfs+ partitions automagically
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> !tell No1Viking about windowsdrives
[10:40] <No1Viking> Well, my disks are i ext3 format
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> ah, theres always a catch
[10:40] <No1Viking> LOL, yes
[10:41] <talios> zcat[1] , auckland - mmm, you'd be a wlug'er then?
[10:41] <zcat[1] > Yeah
[10:41] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: i'd advise monkey-see monkey-do, with your new disks variables, but thats probably bad advice
[10:42] <No1Viking> johndarkhorse,  Might be since I have no other monkey here beside me!
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just stuck in a windows install cd, and it started up fine.  yet my cdrom no longer shows up in linux.  wtf
[10:43] <spiral> hi
[10:43] <zcat[1] > wtf indeed..
[10:44] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: since nobody is offering anything to you, i suggest google and "fstab linux ext3"
[10:44] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: there is no 'wtf' about it, microsoft ruins all that it touches
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse maybe you're missing what i'm saying.
[10:44] <Seveas> No1Viking, put this in fstab: /dev/yourdisk /mount/point ext3 defaults 0 0
[10:44] <zcat[1] > anything standard enough to boot a windows CD off should show up by default in linux!
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse my dvdrw stopped showing up in linux today.
[10:45] <Seveas> replace /dev/yourdisk and /mount/point with the actual devicename and mountpoint
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse just to test that it still works, i stuck a cd in and it booted from i.t
[10:45] <No1Viking> Thanks Seveas!
[10:45] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: i've never had an optical disk show up on my desktop
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> desktop?
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude
[10:45] <johndarkhorse> thanks seveas
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> /dev/scd0 no longer exists!
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no icons on my "desktop"
[10:45] <zcat[1] > BROKEN_LADDER: it's still listed in dmesg ?
[10:45] <wizo> man..
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  good question
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> one thing it says is "file system is not clean"
[10:46] <zcat[1] > is it scsi or ide?
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know how to fix that though.
[10:46] <aftertaf> /dev/sda1 ?
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i accidentally used ext3 for my home, i don't know how/why
[10:46] <wizo> someone help me with my java plug in? i tried the stuff found on google and it still sdoesnt work
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no /dev/sd*
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> anything
[10:46] <No1Viking> Are you guys mounting disks to mnt or media?
[10:46] <AzMoo> Does anybody know of a program that I could sit on my desktop somewhere that will give me clocks for different time zones?
[10:46] <zcat[1] > No1Viking: default in ubuntu is /media
[10:46] <Ng> wizo: look at the java wiki page
[10:47] <No1Viking> zcat[1] , Ok
[10:47] <Ng> wizo: it's always worth checking the ubuntu wiki before trusting google to find rubbish ;)
[10:47] <aftertaf> AzMoo:  search superkaramba plugins maybe?
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata2: SATA port has no device.
[10:47] <cyphase> does anyone know of a program that can record an audio stream?
[10:48] <wizo> ok i`ll try again
[10:48] <zcat[1] > so it's an IDE drive..
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase any program can if you just set the input as the output.
[10:48] <aftertaf> cyphase:  most with output to disk can, i think
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it's sata
[10:48] <cyphase> nono
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually..
[10:48] <cyphase> i mean a network stream
[10:48] <Ng> cyphase: what kind of stream?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase i know
[10:48] <aftertaf> a shoutcast?
[10:48] <zcat[1] >  /33 ?
[10:48] <AzMoo> aftertaf, that could work, but I really didnt' want anything that complex. Maybe I should just write it.
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase just play it with some app, and record it with another
[10:49] <zcat[1] > suggests plain IDE to me
[10:49] <cyphase> BROKEN_LADDER, i'm not the one playing it
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> whoever is playing it
[10:49] <aftertaf> hehe AzMoo if you can ;) do it.
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase you want to record it?
[10:49] <cyphase> it's not someone i know
[10:49] <cyphase> yea
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase then play it with one app and record it with another
[10:49] <cyphase> oh..
[10:49] <cyphase> lol
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase play it with gxine or whatever you want to use
[10:49] <Ng> there are dedicated stream rippers
[10:49] <cyphase> i see what your saying
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ng then tell him one.
[10:50] <cyphase> i was just doing that last night
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm just saying a quick and dirty way
[10:50] <AzMoo> aftertaf, I can, but I'm lazy. I think I'll search freshmeat first ;)
[10:50] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: I will as soon as he answers my question
[10:50] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: until then I can't
[10:50] <zcat[1] > mplayer -ao pcm will rip almost anything to wav
[10:50] <cyphase> playing music with Rhythmbox and recording it plus voice with Sound Recorder
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a way to tell what kind of device my dvd player is?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> sata or ide..
[10:51] <cyphase> but then that would include any other sounds that come up
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm almost positive it's sata
[10:51] <zcat[1] > look in the box..
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  i was about to try that.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'd have to unscrew stuff
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  there should be a way to look in devices somehowe
[10:51] <zcat[1] > big wide ribbon or little orange wire?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> how
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it would be a pain to do tat.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> that
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a sff
[10:51] <Ng> cyphase: right, that's not stream recording, you need to mix audio, no idea, sorry.
[10:52] <cyphase> lol, no i don't
[10:52] <cyphase> i'm just saying i see what you mean
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  if it tells you anything, the device name for it was always /dev/sdc0
[10:52] <Ng> cyphase: how about you just answer my question?
[10:52] <Ng> I can't help you if you don't!
[10:52] <cyphase> ok, i'm sorry
[10:52] <cyphase> ask it again
[10:52] <cyphase> :)
[10:52] <Ng> cyphase: what kind of stream are you trying to record? mp3? asf?
[10:52] <Ng> real?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg?
[10:52] <cyphase> mp3
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i only use ogg streams
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> out of principle
[10:53] <Ng> then use xmms disk writer plugin or mplayer -ao pcm as suggested above
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg theora rules
[10:53] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: how wonderful for you
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ng indeed my ng
[10:53] <cyphase> BROKEN_LADDER, i agree :0
[10:53] <cyphase> :)
[10:53] <zcat[1] > hmm.. don't know much about SATA.. but /dev/scd0 suggests an IDE drive under SCSI emulation, which was the 'old way' of making burners work. Later kernels support working with IDE drives directly
[10:53] <Ng> lots of SATA drives are presented as SCSI
[10:54] <dducko> Umm I just had to kill firefox because of an online radiostation's player not working right
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it's sata
[10:54] <dducko> now the music it was playing is still going...
[10:54] <wizo> the wiki has stuff on installing java for firefox?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it's about 1/3 inch wide and very thin
[10:54] <Seveas> wizo, yes
[10:54] <zcat[1] > OK, well SATA is way to new for me.. I only just upgraded to ATA/66 :)
[10:54] <Seveas> the java install instructions at wiki.u.c/Java install the FF plugin too
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i built this computer in april.
[10:55] <cyphase> VLC has a stream ripper i think..
[10:55] <onkarshinde> How good is the vorbis format as compared to MPEG? How many CD players support it?
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde dramatically better
[10:55] <Ng> onkarshinde: it's better, but has almost no useful hardware support outside cheap far east OEM players
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde if you went for equal quality, the file size would be about 40% smaller.
[10:55] <Seveas> onkarshinde, mp3 support is much more common
[10:55] <johndarkhorse> cyphase: streamripper? use streamripper
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> who cares.
[10:56] <benplaut> goodnight :)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would you care about supporting a standard like mp3 that no one should use anayway?
[10:56] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: this isn't an ideological debate, just a statement of fact ;)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you want a player, there are several great players that play vorbis and flac
[10:56] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: what people shold use then?
[10:56] <zcat[1] > BROKEN_LADDER: wanna tell me where I can get a portable OGG player? :)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 whatever they want i guess
[10:56] <v1ru5> vorbis is nice tho
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  cnet
[10:56] <v1ru5> i don't have anything against mp3 tho
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  the iriver h320 and 340
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> the cowon iaudio m5
[10:56] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: what you got against mp3??
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 it fucking sucks
[10:57] <v1ru5> why?
[10:57] <zcat[1] > I rip to flac.. then I convert to what my player supports (currently mp3) when I want to go portable
[10:57] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, language..
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is a dinosaur
[10:57] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: Are there any demo/sample movies on the net which are originally encoded in vorbis format?
[10:57] <wizo> Seveas: i have installed sun-j2re1.5 and stuff as it says on the wiki
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde vorbis is audio only
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde you want theora for video.
[10:57] <wizo> however it still doesnt have got java plugin for my firefox
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> theora is better than mpeg-2, but not quite as good as mpeg-4..YET
[10:57] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: lol, it seems you don't know why you are against mp3. you just flame it without knowledge..
[10:57] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: Okay, I didn't know the name
[10:57] <Seveas> wizo, from where did you install it?
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 are you kidding me?
[10:57] <Ng> v1ru5: BROKEN_LADDER: how about you argue about mp3 in private msg? ;)
[10:58] <wizo> Seveas: synaptic, and i also downloaded the file from sun site
[10:58] <zcat[1] > there's bugger-all difference between well encoded VBR mp3 and vorbis anyhow..
[10:58] <johndarkhorse> onkarshinde: look for .ogm files
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 vorbis has dramatically better quality.  vorbis is non-patented.  vorbis has advanced features like dynamic (non-hacked) attributes, bitrate peeling..
[10:58] <wizo> i tried both method
[10:58] <Seveas> wizo, hmm, i hope you did not execute the sun file directly...
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  that's nonsense
[10:58] <onkarshinde> johndarkhorse: Can you point me to at least one?
[10:58] <wizo> Seveas: errr, y?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  if you believe that, do some comparisons.
[10:59] <Seveas> wizo, because that's a very bad way of trying to install java...
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> onkarshinde: i'm sorry i dont know of any atm, try google
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde i will make some comparisons for you right now and put them on my site using lame and the newest vorbis encoder
[10:59] <zcat[1] > "most people can't tell" difference.. especially in a portable player situation. If you're not going portable you might as well stick with flac.
[10:59] <onkarshinde> johndarkhorse: Ok
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone can tell the difference
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> at some bit rate
[10:59] <wizo> Seveas: i did that after synaptic didnt really work out
[10:59] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: I want comparison between theora and mpeg and not between mp3 & ogg.
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> whatever that bit rate is, it will be much lower in vorbis than mp3
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> folks! this audio talk is getting #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:59] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, can you please take off-topic discussions elsewhere
[10:59] <wizo> and firefox said to download from the site, so i did
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> and vorbis is non-proprietary
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[11:00] <Seveas> wizo, firefox does not know ubuntu/debian good enough :)
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> well
[11:00] <Seveas> wizo, what's the output of: java -version
[11:00] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: any webpages comparing mp3 and vorbis??
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 i'll make some comparisons right now
[11:00] <wizo> Seveas: errr
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> to make sure it's with the latest encoders
[11:00] <wizo> wad the
[11:00] <holycow> BROKEN_LADDER, can you plz change your nick to lower case
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> check this out!
[11:00] <v1ru5> o-O
[11:01] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:01] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: onkarshinde  take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[11:01] <holycow> your nick completely dominates the screen even with minimal posts
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> holycow i'd rather not.  if it's not too much to ask could you just put me on ignore.
[11:01] <wizo> Seveas: bash: java: command not found <== what did i do >.<
[11:01] <Seveas> wizo, argh...
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops..sorry
[11:01] <wizo> Seveas: it was giving me an output before oops
[11:01] <Seveas> wizo, download a java .deb file from seveas.demon.nl
[11:02] <Seveas> pm me a username and password for access
[11:02] <wizo> ok
[11:03] <`paul> whats the file system for a windows partition in /etc/fstab ?
[11:03] <Digis> paul vfat or ntfs
[11:03] <Digis> :)
[11:03] <Digis> sudo fdisk -l, u can check :)
[11:03] <No1Viking> What does this mean, "ext3: No Journal on hda3
[11:03] <No1Viking> What does this mean, "ext3: No Journal on hda3"
[11:03] <Seveas> that you need to create a journal
[11:03] <No1Viking> How
[11:03] <Seveas> sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda3
[11:03] <`paul> kk ty
[11:04] <`paul> i think vfat
[11:04] <`paul> ive been trying fat16 fat32 lol
[11:04] <Seveas> `paul, sudo fdisk -l will tell for sure
[11:04] <Seveas> `paul: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:04] <johndarkhorse> paul we have a handy script here to mount your partitions
[11:04] <johndarkhorse> like that one
[11:05] <`paul> oh thanks
[11:06] <zcat[1] > nice script.
[11:06] <aftertaf> Seveas:  would it be a good idea to replace the spaces in the mount names done by the script, put __ instead?
[11:07] <aftertaf> might be less confusing for ppl who find themselves in shell without prior knowledge of escape charactes
[11:07] <johndarkhorse> aftertaf: for what?
[11:07] <Seveas> aftertaf, it creates symlinks to space-less paths too :)
[11:07] <zcat[1] > strange\ concept\!
[11:07] <aftertaf> for newbies yeah..
[11:08] <Seveas> aftertaf, newbies only use the GUI, and the longer names are nice for that
[11:08] <setite> im guarding a Subway right now
[11:08] <Seveas> I originally wanted to use filesystem labels, but there's no way to get them
[11:08] <aftertaf> Seveas:  not 'always', tho most of the time yeah.
[11:08] <setite> anyone else doing something as equally riveting?
[11:08] <odyssey> setite, guarding a subway?
[11:08] <johndarkhorse> setite: i'm at work
[11:08] <setite> ya im a security guard... and 6 subways have been robbed in the last 3 days
[11:08] <johndarkhorse> odyssey: a subway is a sandwich, named after its chain here in the US
[11:09] <setite> 2 a night...
[11:09] <aftertaf> i had a newb who needed to do something in console, and he couldn't access his other partition...
[11:09] <Seveas> setite, sounds like you don't do your job good enough :p
[11:09] <odyssey> johndarkhorse, jared is evil
[11:09] <setite> the other guard spotted someone casing out the subway on my property so here i am... sitting in front of it watching it
[11:09] <_mindspin> hi, got a samba problem here,
[11:09] <_mindspin> mount -t smbfs and so on works fine
[11:09] <setite> nope im parked in front of it.... if anything moves... i will see it
[11:09] <zcat[1] > Lucky you don't live in London I guess..
[11:10] <_mindspin> but when I try to connect to a different share I get a "tree connect failed"
[11:10] <_mindspin> any idea?
[11:10] <setite> not much else i can do except sit inside there next to the register... but they wont pay me to use my gun... so thats not happening
[11:10] <`paul> is there a way to hide processes in ubuntu
[11:10] <Seveas> `paul, 'hide processes'??
[11:10] <`paul> with root access?
[11:10] <setite> anyway... im still trying to figure out how to work my wireless car in ubuntu
[11:10] <`paul> im mean it wont appear in ps aux
[11:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> wireless car? nice
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> arghh
[11:11] <Seveas> `paul, no way of doing that
[11:11] <darksatanic> `paul: Install a root kit? :)
[11:11] <Ng> `paul: not without modifying the kernel
[11:11] <setite> seveas do you know why i get a operation not permitted in the driver program
[11:11] <setite> card*
[11:11] <`paul> aw
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> my system keeps freezing
[11:11] <`paul> ok thnx
[11:11] <Seveas> setite, because you didn't run it as root?
[11:11] <setite> do i have to? sudo is not sufficient?
[11:11] <setite> so whats the best way
[11:11] <Seveas> it is
[11:11] <setite> sudo password root
[11:12] <johndarkhorse> setite: sudo will work
[11:12] <zcat[1] > not all wifi drivers support all operations..
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> sudo passwd root
[11:12] <Seveas> sudo is good enough
[11:12] <setite> sudo does not work johndarkhorse
[11:12] <wizo`awy> argh
[11:12] <Seveas> zcat[1] , has the better expanation :)
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> will give you a root password
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not necesarry
[11:12] <fatejudger> I'm trying to mount a network drive using the fstab
[11:12] <fatejudger> for some reason
[11:12] <setite> no ndiswrapper is the operation not permitted
[11:12] <fatejudger> I can manually mount it
[11:12] <setite> ] ok will will boot to ubuntu and try true root
[11:12] <fatejudger> but when I try and mount it using the fstab it asks me for a password on reboot
[11:12] <fatejudger> and then the says access denied
[11:12] <wizo> Seveas: i will have ot download it later, my housemate is chucking a sad at mem because he is playign online games now
[11:12] <setite> thanks... when i had the problem no one was answering
[11:13] <zcat[1] > hmm.. ndiswrapper.. I gave up on that after a few hours.
[11:13] <Seveas> wizo, the server is online 'till 22:00 UTC
[11:13] <wizo> errrr
[11:13] <setite> well i cant give up yet because im not shelling out money to get it working on a free os
[11:13] <No1Viking> I dont get this. I now have the new disks mounted and all looks great. Now I can not FTP to them. How can I get permission to do that?
[11:13] <johndarkhorse> setite: why not? you saved $399 US by using ubuntu?
[11:13] <wizo> Seveas: how many mroe hours till it goes offline? that would make it clearer
[11:13] <zcat[1] > anyone want a cheap wifi card with the rtl8180 chip? totally unsupported in linux :(
[11:14] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to mount these network drives using fstab?
[11:14] <Seveas> wizo, 12
[11:14] <wizo> Seveas: ahh thats cool, thanks
[11:14] <zcat[1] > went out and got some rt2400-based cards instead
[11:14] <holycow> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/79be/  <-- :)
[11:14] <onkarshinde> fatejudger: Can you give me the line of fstab that tries the mounting?
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> any suggestions for wifi dongle supported under ubuntu ? USB?
[11:14] <bummba> fatejudger: network drives?
[11:15] <Seveas> fatejudger, samba things?
[11:15] <bummba> fatejudger: NFS?
[11:16] <fatejudger> samba
[11:16] <No1Viking> I dont get this. I now have the new disks mounted and all looks great. Now I can not FTP to them. How can I get permission to do that? this Is what I get when trying to download: /media/2/Annie_Lennox-Bare-2003-Wyse/05-Annie_Lennox-Wonderful-Wyse.mp3 (No such file or directory)"
[11:16] <Seveas> fatejudger, the 'easy' way is running a simple script I created -> ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba
[11:16] <fatejudger> onkarshinde: //dadscomp/stuff   /media/stuff   smbfs
[11:17] <odyssey> ok lets say i stick a dvd into my dvd drive with the intent of watching it and now it just sits there spitting out I/O errors... how can i eject it?
[11:17] <Seveas> that adds the share to fstab and creates a file with a password for it
[11:17] <bummba> No1Viking: why are you FTPing on locally mounted drives?
[11:17] <fatejudger> I'd prefer to run it using the fstab
[11:17] <Seveas> fatejudger, it adds it to fstab
[11:17] <No1Viking> bummba, it's from a FTP site to my disk
[11:17] <Seveas> the script needs to be run only once, then you can toss it out
[11:18] <zcat[1] > can you 'touch foo' on the drive locally?
[11:18] <fatejudger> why can't I just manually create the line though?
[11:18] <bummba> fatejudger: you can...
[11:18] <Seveas> I never do that since the syntax is awful :)
[11:18] <Seveas> but you can
[11:18] <zcat[1] > probably you want to mount it with permissions other than 600
[11:19] <fatejudger> I just want to be able to read the mount
[11:19] <fatejudger> that's it
[11:19] <Seveas> /192.168.1.4/d /media/samba/192.168.1.4/d smbfs user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0644,dmask=0755,credentials=/etc/samba/passwords/192. 168.1.4-d
[11:19] <Seveas> that's a line for a samba drive
[11:19] <fatejudger> holy crap
[11:19] <Seveas> do you see why I use the script :)
[11:19] <brownie17> hey everyone
[11:19] <fatejudger> it can't be that complicated
[11:19] <fatejudger> I don't even have any authentication though
[11:19] <fatejudger> it's a shitty windows computer
[11:19] <Seveas> fatejudger, it is if you want to get it right
[11:19] <bummba> fatejudger: it is not complicated...just annoying to use
[11:20] <fatejudger> I've never used a script before
[11:20] <fatejudger> so I wouldn't even know how to do that
[11:20] <imek> Hi, I was thinking of getting a wireless card for my notebook. Does anyone know which manufacturers have the best Linux support?
[11:20] <brownie17> nalioths_dog, aka johndarkhorse?
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> fatejudger: scripts are wonderful
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> if my computer doesn't keep crashing..i swear
[11:20] <Seveas> fatejudger, download it and run: sudo bash addsamba
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: are you sniffing nalioths_dog ?
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's having the most inexplicable problems today
[11:20] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: oh, hi, i thought you might be back as nalioth, and nalioths dog was pretty close, thought it was you sorry
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: how does it run with the livecd?
[11:21] <fblade> how can i mount my windows partion onto linux?
[11:21] <Seveas> fblade: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is that a macro of yours Seveas?
[11:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[11:21] <Seveas> Carpe_Libertatem, yes
[11:21] <fatejudger> your script is broken
[11:21] <Seveas> fatejudger, tell me more
[11:21] <zcat[1] > imek: dunno, but I got an SMC .. cheapest card around and works, although I had to build the module myself first.
[11:21] <fatejudger> fatejudger@l337b0x:~/stuff$ sudo bash addsamba
[11:21] <fatejudger> addsamba: line 47: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'
[11:21] <fatejudger> addsamba: line 47: `fi'
[11:22] <Seveas> fatejudger, hmm
[11:22] <Seveas> one sec
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i get off at 6am CST US
[11:22] <zcat[1] > SMC2635W card..
[11:22] <imek> okay, I'll have a look around. thanks
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: so when you see me after 6am CST US, it'll be as nalioth
[11:22] <fatejudger> Seveas: you're missing quotes I think
[11:22] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i don't know when that is here, but i rang the D-link company, and they gave me a refernece number to ring the warranty department with tommorrow morning
[11:22] <fatejudger> Seveas: on the line above
[11:22] <zcat[1] > there are better, but nothing cheaper :)
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: good show
[11:22] <Seveas> fatejudger, the line above has only the word exit
[11:23] <fatejudger> ?
[11:23] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i believe i'm UTC -6
[11:23] <fatejudger> oh, I was looking somewhere else
[11:23] <fatejudger> nm
[11:23] <brownie17> joihndarkhorse: i was fairly dissapointed though, I always find it's better to be happy than wrong, and i wished that i had just made a mistake, but something is wrong with the modem
[11:24] <fatejudger> bash scripts are weird
[11:24] <fatejudger> nothing like C++
[11:24] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: they'll fix or exchange it for you
[11:24] <Seveas> fatejudger, anyway, install smbfs
[11:24] <zcat[1] > bash is kinda like dos batchfiles
[11:24] <Seveas> that will skip past that section
[11:24] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: yeah, any idea how long it might take?
[11:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse i don't have a live cd hanging around
[11:24] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i have no experience with dlink, i use linksys
[11:24] <fatejudger> I thought I had smbfs installed
[11:25] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: that would be one way to test if its software or hardware problems
[11:25] <onkarshinde> zcat[1] : I suppose bash scripts are better than dos batch files
[11:25] <fatejudger> Seveas: I do have it installed
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> onkarshinde: they are not comparable
[11:25] <zcat[1] > in some ways..
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> well.. they are comparable, but dos fails it
[11:26] <zcat[1] > Dos is very limited, but it's a similar concept otherwise
[11:26] <Seveas> odd, on my server (which is gentoo) it gives no error, on ubuntu it does...
[11:26] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i hear linksys are pretty good, when i signed up with my ISP they offered me a free D-link or a free Netgear, i chose the D-link (obviously) what are netgear like?, i want to get one becasue that means the support services my isp have will still be fine to use
[11:26] <setite> ok i cant remember how do to do this
[11:26] <setite> apparently the driver is already installed
[11:26] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: that is if they don't fix it, or the replacement breaks again
[11:26] <Seveas> argh, found the error
[11:26] <Seveas> fatejudger, please re-download
[11:26] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: all stuff is pretty much the same, you jut got a bad modem. it happens to everyone
[11:26] <fatejudger> Seveas: what was it?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> brownie17: te network connection is standard
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> netgear are fine
[11:27] <Seveas> fatejudger, brainfart of mine
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> i'm using ubuntu live cd.
[11:27] <brownie17> ok, it's just i hear alot of bad things about D-link, and other people having errors
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> it says that i cant start totem movie player
[11:27] <brownie17> seveas: :) hahah
[11:27] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, but what was the error?
[11:27] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: then by all means, try the netgear
[11:27] <fatejudger> Seveas: was it that "then"
[11:27] <Seveas> missing 'then' keyword a few lines before
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> how do i play movies in ubuntu?
[11:28] <Seveas> I use too many languages :)
[11:28] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: hmmm. definatly something to ponder on, at least i know if i ask my ISP they will tell me which one has more errors, rather than say they are all good like D-link would
[11:29] <brownie17> auckland_pig: does it give any other error information?
[11:29] <zcat[1] > worst thing about my dlink is that I can only configure it in MSIE (or telnet, although that's practically impossible too) - Firefox it takes ages to get to the admin page, and gives me "Method not supported" when I sty to add forwarding rules and stuff
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> Auckland_Pig you could use gxine or mplayer.
[11:29] <Auckland_Pig> resource not available or busy
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> gmplayer is good
[11:29] <fatejudger> Seveas: ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[11:29] <brownie17> zcat: i get all those problems exxactly, except the configuring one
[11:29] <Seveas> run it as root
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help me get my dvdrw to show up in /dev?
[11:29] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: i speak many, but use only one
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> and tell me why my computer keeps freezing?
[11:30] <zcat[1] > You tried adding port forwarding rules to it?
[11:30] <fatejudger> Seveas: I did run it as root
[11:30] <Auckland_Pig> BROKEN_LADDER, but i'm using live cd... there's no gmplayer
[11:30] <onkarshinde> Auckland_Pig: You can install totem-xine package and it will play most files. Or you can try vlc.
[11:30] <Seveas> fatejudger, then you found a bug
[11:30] <brownie17> zcat[1] : yes, gives me method not implemented, do you use the 302g rev c or a?
[11:30] <Seveas> paste the current sources.list on a pastebin please
[11:30] <Cashel> heh... gmplayer isnt working ... I've installed everything DVD related I could find, including libdvdccs2 ... totem-xime, gmplayer, nor ogle will play my LOTR CD... any suggestions?
[11:30] <Seveas> errrr
[11:30] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: you are rather limited on what you can do with the liveCD w/o installling a lot of things
[11:30] <Seveas> current fstab
[11:30] <zcat[1] > username and password was OK, but all the subwindow stuff _has_ to be done in MSIE.
[11:30] <Auckland_Pig> onkarshinde, how do i instal them while on live cd?
[11:30] <setite> anyoen have a broadcom 54g card?
[11:31] <Auckland_Pig> can i instal anything while on live cd?
[11:31] <zcat[1] > 302G
[11:31] <johndarkhorse> setite: you are out of luck with that card most likely
[11:31] <onkarshinde> Auckland_Pig: Oops i didn't know you were on live cd. I don't know how to work it out.
[11:31] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: yes you can
[11:31] <Seveas> setite, asus wl500g?
[11:31] <brownie17> zcat[1] : i don't get that, firefox works fine for that bit, but admin takes like 3-4 mins, and getting worse too
[11:31] <Seveas> wl110g even
[11:31] <Auckland_Pig> oh ok... will try installing
[11:32] <setite> Seveas: no... but is that a similar or same card?
[11:32] <setite> oh do you mean do i have that laptop?
[11:32] <brownie17> zcat[1] : is yours standing on its side with clips? or flat? does it have green stripes or blue?
[11:32] <Seveas> setite, asus wl100g is a pcmcia 54g card
[11:32] <zcat[1] > At the moment I have a CISCO SOHO on loan, but if I have to go back to the dlink I think I'll write a web-based front end in php that telnets to the modem and makes the changes..
[11:32] <Seveas> which works
[11:32] <setite> no i have the emachines m6805.. 64bit series
[11:32] <setite> oh no.. i dont have that
[11:33] <zcat[1] > It's screwed to the side of my computer desk
[11:33] <setite> i plan to get two usb wifi cards eventually... but in the meantime i would love to be able to get this working and only need one usb adaptor
[11:33] <brownie17> zcat[1] : but is it blue or green? that tells me which version
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> Cashel what specific error do you get trying to run gmplayer?
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> wimax is going to be so badarse
[11:33] <zcat[1] > I can't tell in this light - colourblind :)
[11:34] <zcat[1] > looks kinda blue-green to me ..
[11:34] <brownie17> zcat[1] : :) for real? that sucks... um doesthe writing on the darker bit next to the lights face upside up when the modem is flat on the table, or when it is screwed to your desk
[11:34] <fatejudger> Seveas: do I have to restart for it to take effect?
[11:34] <Seveas> fatejudger, no, please paste your fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl - you have found a bug
[11:35] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[11:35] <zcat[1] > the writing's all upright when it's flat on the desk
[11:35] <brownie17> hey seveas: sorry about not pastebinning before, it was an accident. about 6 hours ago you banned me
[11:35] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[11:35] <scanwinder> is there a file with all the things that open on startup? because my old 166 laptop takes a long time to boot
[11:35] <zcat[1] > s/upright/correctly\ oriented/
[11:35] <zcat[1] > AFK / BRB
[11:36] <Auckland_Pig> where can i find precompiled binary of VLC for ubuntu? on VLC download site i dont see ubuntu...
[11:36] <Seveas> Auckland_Pig, apt-get install vlc
[11:36] <setite> whoa.. presidential midnight pardons eh
[11:37] <fatejudger> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/355076
[11:37] <Auckland_Pig> Seveas, i'm on ubuntu live cd
[11:37] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, sorry bro, I think I figured it out ... AMD :P
[11:37] <setite> which linux is debian based... xandros or linspire
[11:37] <Seveas> Auckland_Pig, installing anything on a live cd will only last until reboot
[11:37] <Cashel> guess I have to use the 386 package (gag)
[11:37] <talios> johndarkhorse, hazzah - I now have a visible HDD.  moved the hdd from the secondary crap ata to the main.
[11:37] <Seveas> you can as well use apt-get for that
[11:37] <brownie17> zcat[1]  you hav ethe revision c version then, or as www.portforward.com call it the 302gv2. same as me. i am getting mine fixed tomorrow, ring the support hotline on 1300766868. they gave me a reference number for the waranty department :) free refund or fix/new
[11:37] <talios> Auckland_Pig, ororke student hostel?
[11:38] <Auckland_Pig> talios, railway campus :)
[11:38] <brownie17> setite: im guessing linspire
[11:38] <johndarkhorse> talios: great!
[11:38] <setite> thanks brownie17
[11:38] <zcat[1] > back
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: it looks right
[11:38] <fatejudger> that's weird
[11:38] <brownie17> setite: GUESSS
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone help me figure out why my dvdrw is not being listed in /dev?
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: I don't see why your script gave me an error
[11:38] <talios> johndarkhorse, now to actually do the install.  finally i'll be fedora free.   mmm, now - breazy or the hoary I use at work...
[11:38] <Seveas> fatejudger, have you pasted it already?
[11:38] <Seveas> I think I know
[11:38] <Seveas> and want to check it
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, I already gave you the link
[11:39] <talios> Auckland_Pig, you go to any of the Auckland LUG meetings?
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> Seveas, sorry to disturb, i'm new to all this... where do i type apt-get install vlc ?
[11:39] <fatejudger> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/355076
[11:39] <Juhaz> setite, both
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, ah ok, missed that
[11:39] <Seveas> sorry
[11:39] <brownie17> talios: get hoary for now, breezy is still beta
[11:39] <johndarkhorse> talios: stick with hoary
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> talios, no i'm just starting to learn linux
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: the Konsole
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: if you're that new, use Synaptic
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: or Kynaptic
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, you said that you do not need authentication?
[11:39] <fatejudger> Seveas: I don't
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> still on windows xp... testing out live cd's before installing the real thing :)
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, the script thinks you do
[11:40] <brownie17> zcat[1]  you hav ethe revision c version then, or as www.portforward.com call it the 302gv2. same as me. i am getting mine fixed tomorrow, ring the support hotline on 1300766868. they gave me a reference number for the waranty department :) free refund or fix/new
[11:40] <talios> brownie17, yeh - I thought whilst installing I might give it a bash.  but hoarys good in anycase.
[11:40] <fatejudger> Seveas: well then that's the bug
[11:40] <Seveas> indeed :)
[11:40] <brownie17> talios: not much front end difference, i think. from screenshots not much visible difference, but it will be much better apparently, with much less bugs and stuff
[11:41] <Seveas> fatejudger, http://pastebin.com/355079
[11:41] <Seveas> spot the difference :)
[11:41] <johndarkhorse> talios: i think you'll be happy with hoary. breezy is still buggy
[11:41] <Seveas> I'm fixing the script now...
[11:42] <fatejudger> Seveas: no credentials, guest login
[11:42] <talios> johndarkhorse, yeh - I switched my work box to hoary about 4-5 months back, loving it.
[11:42] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, http://pastebin.com/35508 ... can I safely force mplayer-386 to apt-get install ??
[11:42] <setite> johndarkhorse: what problems are you having with wifi
[11:42] <brownie17> are there any other p2p programs like kazaa that DO NOT need ports opened on a router?
[11:42] <fatejudger> Seveas: wow, this "bash" code is extremely hard to read
[11:42] <johndarkhorse> setite: i have an ibook with airport extreme
[11:43] <setite> do you know the command to get the card running... it looks like ndiswrapper installed the driver
[11:43] <fblade> what terminal command is it that uzip taz.gz, into the root folder
[11:43] <Seveas> fatejudger, yeah, bash is crap to read
[11:43] <setite> is that not supported?!
[11:43] <fatejudger> Seveas: why not program something like this in C++?
[11:43] <fatejudger> Seveas: it can do everything and more
[11:43] <Cashel> brownie17, Applications > Internet > GNOME Torrent ??
[11:43] <brownie17> nope
[11:43] <Ng> C++ is way way way overkill for a little fstab mangler ;)
[11:43] <brownie17> gnome torrent requires ports
[11:43] <Ng> something like perl would be more suitable
[11:44] <Seveas> fatejudger, because this is easier to do in bash
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: I think I see the bug
[11:44] <Seveas> and works on all architectures :)
[11:44] <Seveas> fatejudger, i fixed it already
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: ah
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: was it the 4th to the last line?
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: it always sets the credential dir
[11:44] <Seveas> indeed
[11:45] <fatejudger> Seveas: I need to learn this "bash"
[11:45] <Seveas> fatejudger, www.tldp.org has nice guides
[11:45] <talios> mmm, screen resolution doesn't give me my nice widescreen res.  time to remember my X.org foo
[11:45] <fatejudger> Seveas: ok, thanks
[11:45] <Pyf> im using a "sony cav-u5" usb to optical converter for my audio, it works in most programs and ubuntu recognises it but vlc doesnt, how would i go about setting up vlc so it does recognise it ;(
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: is "bash" pretty flexible?
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: for example, can I end each line with a semicolon?
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: or can I wrap echo statements in quotes
[11:46] <Seveas> fatejudger, I suggest you read the intro docs, this is a bit off-topic in here
[11:47] <pluffsy> hello
[11:47] <brownie17> are there any other p2p programs like kazaa that DO NOT need ports opened on a router?
[11:47] <Seveas> and the answer to these 3 questions is yes
[11:47] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: not to my knowledge
[11:47] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, sorry
[11:48] <pluffsy> I have trouble to understand dump. Can I make a dump from a couple individual directories or can it just make  a dump from a complete file system?
[11:48] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: ok, thanx
[11:48] <vu> xmms  sux  100%
[11:49] <fatejudger> Seveas: the tutorial doesn't show what types of commenting are acceptable
[11:49] <fatejudger> Seveas: obviously # is
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> what could i do to check my file system?
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> ckfs?
[11:50] <fatejudger> I dunno, it does it automatically once in awhile
[11:50] <brownie17> ever thirty mounts
[11:50] <fatejudger> that's right
[11:50] <Seveas> # is the only
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> hrm
[11:50] <brownie17> ever time it gets mounted thirty times it checks it
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> well something's wrong cause my system keeps freezing
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> never happened before today
[11:50] <brownie17> seveas, can i edit the boot to make it do it more often?
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did this apt-get upgrade today and everything has been crazy.
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> first sound wouldn't work..
[11:51] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: maybe it's the apt-get then
[11:51] <Seveas> brownie17, you can set the disk properties
[11:51] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: not your hard drive
[11:51] <pluffsy> brownie17: so if one uses ubuntu as a server which maybe reboots two times a year. should one make some change to make that check more often?
[11:52] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: find a livecd of some type and boot and run it for a few hours
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't have one
[11:53] <Seveas> brownie17, read the manpage for tune2fs
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> my cdrom also no longer works
[11:53] <setite> seveas - anyoen have a broadcom 54g card?
[11:53] <setite> whoops wrong paste
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> yet it will start install cd's fine
[11:53] <setite> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:53] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: that is an easy first step in diagnosing whether it's software or hardware
[11:53] <fblade> anybody know how i can install the latest scummvm easy
[11:53] <setite> whats that mean
[11:53] <Seveas> setite, switch to a 686 or k7 kernel
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> first of all i need my dvd working
[11:53] <Seveas> the -386 kernel notoriously misbehaves
[11:54] <setite> should ubuntu installer have done that auto
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> mine is the 586 kernel
[11:54] <Seveas> no
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> smp
[11:54] <setite> ok well is there an easy way to do that?
[11:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> sudo apt-get install linux-image-i686
[11:54] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-686 (intel cpu) or apt-get install linux-k7 (amd)
[11:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> I think
[11:54] <Seveas> and then reboot
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> shouldn't it be easy to diagnose why my dvd drive isn't starting up?
[11:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> err
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..isn't getting listed in /dev
[11:54] <Cashel> trying to install mplayer-386 after removing the 586/686 versions (AMD, oops)... getting broken package error as you see here: http://pastebin.com/355081 ... what should I do?
[11:54] <setite> ctrl-alt-bksp or full reboot :)
[11:55] <Seveas> Cashel, DO NOT USE third party repositories
[11:55] <nightswim> what is a nice calendar application? (evolution?)
[11:55] <Seveas> mplayer is in the ubuntu repositories
[11:55] <Seveas> setite, full
[11:55] <setite> thanks seveas
[11:55] <johndarkhorse> nightswim: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[11:56] <fblade> how can i install the c++ compiler
[11:56] <johndarkhorse> fblade: install "build-essential"
[11:57] <Cashel> Seveas, if I dont, how am I supposed to get DVDs to play?
[11:57] <brownie17> !tell Brownie17 about tune2fs
[11:57] <Seveas> Cashel, libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> fblade it's gcc or something
[11:58] <brownie17> seveas: what is tune2fs?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> no no..i can't do it..
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack..
[11:58] <johndarkhorse> Cashel: dvd playing is possible using ubuntu repos
[11:58] <Cashel> Seveas, ahhh, thats fixed it, thanks man...
[11:58] <brownie17> is it on that http://wiki.ubuntu.com?
[11:58] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: what is wrong with Kubuntu?
[11:58] <Seveas> brownie17, man tune2fs
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> Cashel you'll have to add restricted modules
[11:58] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: why go back to Windows?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> FatDarrel i'm using ubuntu, but i'm in kde just to be clear.
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger because of the massive problems i'm having in linux
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> my sound wasn't working for hours today, for no apparent reason, and now works.
[11:59] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: why don't you have Kubuntu if you wanted KDE?
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> for no reason.
[11:59] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: windows is evil
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the point fatejudger ?
[11:59] <fatejudger> no, Windows is crappy
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know this DVSoftware
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know.
[11:59] <fatejudger> not evil
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> but at least it works
[11:59] <DVSoftware> windows is crappy and evil
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't see my dvd rom right now in /dev/
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no /dev/sdc0 anymore
[11:59] <Cashel> wierd that the 3rd party repos would supercede ubuntu repos when ubuntus are newer... it was complaining about old versions but not now that I got rid of it....
[11:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> for no apparent reason other than that i did an apt-get upgrade
[11:59] <No1Viking> I need a good FTP client with SSL support, any ideas?
[11:59] <brownie17> maybe it's not even connected broken_ladder
[11:59] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, sdc0 ?
[11:59] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: Windows isn't evil, it's a great OS
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> right
[12:00] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: just not as good as Linux
[12:00] <Seveas> dvd/cd drives should not have a number
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: gftp
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> well it did.
[12:00] <Seveas> odd
[12:00] <DVSoftware> fatejudger: you're joking?
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is that odd?
[12:00] <No1Viking> johndarkhorse, does that one support SSL?
[12:00] <setite> la la laa.. got time to kill since im downloading the kernel on a evdo... anyoen have a noobie question
[12:00] <setite> hey seveas there is a thread abotu my card... its a warty thread
[12:00] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: the NT Kernel is fine
[12:00] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: yes it does
[12:00] <No1Viking> Huh?
[12:00] <DVSoftware> fatejudger: maybe
[12:00] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: it's just the software that's developed for Windows
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas my drive still clearly works because it will startup an install disc.
[12:00] <DVSoftware> but everything else is crap
[12:01] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: Windows software is of pisspoor quality
[12:01] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: Windows itself is fine
[12:01] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: just not great
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> Windows itself is terrible!
[12:01] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: what's wrong with it?
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it is a hacked together operating system.
[12:01] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, it surprises me that the dvd drive worked over sata
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude!  it doesn't have 64-bit journalled file architecture
[12:01] <Seveas> the last I heard was that it's not supported :)
[12:01] <No1Viking> johndarkhorse, I can see SSH, but not SSL
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas it worked beautifully.
[12:01] <fatejudger> NTFS is fine
[12:02] <Seveas> fatejudger, rofl
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it's not
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's crap
[12:02] <fatejudger> not really
[12:02] <fatejudger> it works great in Windows
[12:02] <fatejudger> it just isn't readable by anything else
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger you say that because you don't know of how much better an fs can be.
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it doesn't work great!
[12:02] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: try it
[12:02] <fatejudger> I use an ext3 filesystem
[12:02] <fatejudger> I know
[12:02] <DVSoftware> reiserfs rulez
[12:02] <fatejudger> isn't that old school?
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger even ext3 sucks by comparison to something like befs
[12:02] <Seveas> FatDarrel, no matter if it's fine or not, this is not the place to discuss...
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger imagine an os where it doesn't take any longer to boot if you hard crash.
[12:03] <fatejudger> ?
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger windows paging is terrible.
[12:03] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: it's not the best, but that's because it doesn't have a seperate partition like linux swap
[12:03] <fblade> aslo how can i instal sdl
[12:03] <Seveas> fatejudger, no matter if it's fine or not, this is not the place to discuss...
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> no that's not why.
[12:04] <Seveas> fblade, apt-get install libsdl
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not eve going to try to explain this.
[12:04] <johndarkhorse> fblade: search in synaptic for libsdl
[12:04] <DVSoftware> fatejudger: linux can use file as swap aswell
[12:04] <fatejudger> Seveas: that fstab line doesn't work
[12:04] <fatejudger> Seveas: I restarted and it said it couldn't connect
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> DVSoftware what are you talking about man?
[12:04] <fatejudger> Seveas: access denied or something
[12:04] <setite> hey seveas there is a thread abotu my card... its a warty thread.. but i dont understand the solution
[12:04] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: i've forgot to make swap partition once
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> in windows, if i try to delete a file but it's "in use" i can't.
[12:04] <Seveas> fatejudger, without a complete error I can't help
[12:04] <setite> Nice. Just followed the ubuntu howto with a new kernel, edited /etc/modules to include ndiswrapper, and everything works smoothly.
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf is that?!
[12:04] <setite> Thanks for the help!
[12:05] <DVSoftware> and it was slow computer
[12:05] <fatejudger> Seveas: well I can't save the damn error
[12:05] <fatejudger> Seveas: it goes by the screen too fast
[12:05] <DVSoftware> i didn't want to install it again
[12:05] <setite> any idea what he means...
[12:05] <DVSoftware> just to make swap
[12:05] <Seveas> fatejudger, in a terminal: sudo mount -a
[12:05] <Seveas> that should go it again
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> setite you mean new kernel as in how new?
[12:05] <fatejudger> Seveas: no errors
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> setite i just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.10 to 2.6.11.  should i have to do those steps?
[12:05] <Seveas> fatejudger, right.....
[12:05] <fatejudger> Seveas: well wtf
[12:05] <Seveas> is it mounted now?
[12:05] <DVSoftware> and made swap image file
[12:05] <fatejudger> Seveas: there was an error!
[12:05] <DVSoftware> on hard drive
[12:06] <Seveas> fatejudger, I believe you :)
[12:06] <Seveas> And i think I know what the error was
[12:06] <fatejudger> Seveas: yes, it works now
[12:06] <setite> no idea im a bad person to ask.. ive never done anythiugn with a kernel
[12:06] <setite> im scared of kernels
[12:06] <Seveas> fatejudger, guess so...
[12:06] <fatejudger> Seveas: what's the error then?
[12:06] <setite> even popcorn kernels.. stuck in my teeth
[12:06] <Xanthus7> what is hal please
[12:06] <Seveas> it tries to mount before the network is up
[12:06] <johndarkhorse> Xanthus7: hardware abstraction layer, i believe
[12:06] <DVSoftware> setite: you can safely install new kernel with synaptic
[12:07] <Seveas> fatejudger, not letting it automount will work
[12:07] <fatejudger> Seveas: how do I make sure that it doesn't mount before the network is up?
[12:07] <Xanthus7> reason I asked was I boot and it said hal not intilized
[12:07] <Seveas> fatejudger, not :)
[12:07] <Xanthus7> reboot all was ok
[12:07] <fatejudger> Seveas: are you serious?
[12:07] <fatejudger> Seveas: I have to mount everything manually?
[12:07] <Seveas> fatejudger, hang on
[12:07] <setite> well i dont knwo about 2.6.11.. i see 2.6.10-7
[12:08] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: just to make a point about WIndows, this whole mounting thing would have taken me about 15 seconds in Windows
[12:08] <fatejudger> DVSoftware: this has taken me 4 hours so far in Linux
[12:08] <zcat[1] > let it automount; the boot process appears to try mount -a several different times during the boot process..
[12:08] <setite> windows is evil
[12:08] <fatejudger> see?
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger that's the bonus to windows.  it Just Works
[12:08] <fatejudger> what is up with this crap?
[12:08] <DVSoftware> bill gates is evil
[12:08] <fatejudger> yeah, it works
[12:08] <fatejudger> that's the point
[12:08] <osfameron> setite: windows works.  What's the point of being an arse?
[12:08] <Xanthus7> depends on what you are doing with windows
[12:08] <fatejudger> it crashes while it works sometimes
[12:08] <zcat[1] > it works - until it doesn't.
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger the problem is just that when you get linux working, it works so much better.
[12:09] <Seveas> stop the win-vs-lin discussion now....
[12:09] <Xanthus7> like to much of the time
[12:09] <Seveas> and i mean NOW
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: you're absolutely right
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger i'm about to switch to windows myself if i can't get these issues resolved.
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish beos had better app selection.  i'd just go back to beos.
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: I've switched back to Windows tons of times
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> or i wish i could get osx on x86
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: it took me a while before I stayed
[12:09] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: you can
[12:09] <DVSoftware> :D
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger are you in windows now?
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: I had to get a distro like Kubuntu that was fast
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: heck no, but I do have a dual boot
[12:09] <DVSoftware> if you  have at least sse2 cpu
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> DVSoftware getting os x on x86 is tough.
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: Linux is my primary boot though
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have ss2
[12:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> sse2
[12:09] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: Windows is only for games now
[12:10] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: what's the problem then
[12:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> dual boot sucks
[12:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> DVSoftware from what i read, it is _not easy_
[12:10] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: dual boots are great!
[12:10] <Seveas> fatejudger, sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/mountall.sh /etc/rcS.d/S50mountall.sh
[12:10] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: it's easy
[12:10] <Seveas> that will re-run the mounting script after networking is up
[12:10] <fatejudger> Seveas: what exactly does that command do?
[12:10] <fatejudger> Seveas: ok
[12:10] <Seveas> so you still get the error
[12:10] <Seveas> but it tries a second time
[12:10] <DVSoftware> you have to write hard drive image on hard drive with dd
[12:11] <DVSoftware> and that's a;;
[12:11] <DVSoftware> all
[12:11] <Seveas> I'm filing a bug about this asap, this behaviour should change
[12:11] <fatejudger> Seveas: oh great, so more boot time
[12:11] <fatejudger> Seveas: wouldn't it be easier just to run a script at boottime with KDE?
[12:11] <Xanthus7> Only problem with duel booting is if you want to go into your secondary os you cannot walk way from computer
[12:11] <Seveas> fatejudger, whatever you want
[12:11] <fatejudger> or put some script at a higher runlevel?
[12:11] <Seveas> the mountall has to be in the lower level too
[12:12] <zcat[1] > Xanthus7: lilo -R windows ; reboot
[12:12] <Seveas> because that's where local disks (/) are mounted
[12:12] <fatejudger> Seveas: well how do I undo that command you gave me?
[12:12] <zcat[1] > not sure how to do that with grub..
[12:12] <Xanthus7> Not playing with lilo heard it is not for the faint of heart
[12:12] <Xanthus7> LOL
[12:12] <zcat[1] > lilo's not that bad.
[12:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> DVSoftware tell me how to switch to osx then.
[12:13] <Seveas> fatejudger, rm /etc/rcS.d/50mountall.sh
[12:13] <zcat[1] > these days it's just a package choice anyhow.. the distro does all the work for you
[12:13] <Xanthus7> True
[12:13] <fatejudger> Seveas: oh I see what you did
[12:13] <fatejudger> Seveas: you stuck some file in the startup folder
[12:13] <fatejudger> Seveas: ok, I get it
[12:13] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: find osx vmware image somewhere, and i'll give you manual in pdf format
[12:14] <fatejudger> Seveas: why would running it twice make any difference though?
[12:14] <DVSoftware> image is 1.3gb big
[12:14] <Xanthus7> So what is better kubuntu or ubuntu
[12:14] <Seveas> fatejudger, the second time it runs networking is up
[12:14] <Xanthus7> of if you just add kde you got kbuntu
[12:14] <johndarkhorse> Xanthus7: what is better buick or chevrolet?
[12:14] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: note that you need separate hard drive to do this
[12:14] <zcat[1] > depends if you like gnome or kde
[12:14] <Xanthus7> buick cost more
[12:14] <johndarkhorse> Xanthus7: one is gnome skinned and the other is kde skinned
[12:14] <osfameron> I have a problem whereby the system crashes on opening an .mpeg movie in Totem
[12:15] <osfameron> the screen goes black, then shows timer, then blacks out and so on, until I have to power cycle
[12:15] <osfameron> is that a known bug?
[12:15] <_setite> lost my connection
[12:15] !lilo:*! About channel notes: Oddly, freenode has its own cooking channel. Stop by ##cooking if you're interested, and bon apetit! :)
[12:15] <bina> hi, is there a way to pass a job to another terminal?
[12:15] <_setite> its the hardware vendors fault... that is why some hardware works.. some does not
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have one
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i need this image?
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm
[12:16] <DVSoftware> yep
[12:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know where to get that.
[12:16] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: emule is a good example
[12:16] <DVSoftware> i got mine there
[12:16] <johndarkhorse> bina: gnu screen
[12:16] <fatejudger> so how exactly can I run a script or command at startup?
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> you got osx to work on your x86?
[12:17] <bina> johndarkhorse: does that have to already be running? cos atm, im just running a prog in some virtual terminal in KDE n would like it to go to tty2
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> but then when you buy software for your osx system, it won't work, right?
[12:17] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: as i don't have separate hard drive, i just played with it in vmware
[12:18] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: i heard that most software works
[12:18] !lilo:*! Gee, you'd think I could manage 'bon appetit' :)
[12:18] <johndarkhorse> bina: yes, screen has to be running already
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger dude you need to put it in a startup script
[12:18] <DVSoftware> at least photoshop works
[12:18] <DVSoftware> what is most important to me
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can it work?
[12:18] <johndarkhorse> bina: and it's kind of a shoddy way to do it, but it's all i know
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you buy photoshop for mac, it's going to be for ppc
[12:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> apple needs to just sell osx for x86
[12:18] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: no it's compiled as universal binary
[12:18] <bina> johndarkhorse: ok, thanks ill remember to use that in the future
[12:19] <DVSoftware> or, you need to use roseta for emulation
[12:19] <DVSoftware> rosetta*
[12:20] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: it even works faster than windows
[12:20] <DVSoftware> even in vmware
[12:20] <johndarkhorse> bina, you can read about screen here http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[12:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> can you turn this vmware image into an installer?
[12:20] <Xanthus7> That will never happen Mac selling software for windows to much bad blood between Billy Bob Gates and Steve Jobs
[12:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> not for windows
[12:20] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: nope
[12:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> for x86
[12:20] <bina> johndarkhorse: nice one. thanks
[12:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> pfft
[12:20] <DVSoftware> you have to write it over hard drive
[12:20] <DVSoftware> with 'dd'
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just basically said that apple won't sell os x for windows.     bwah hah hahh
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> that makes no sense
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> DVSoftware so you _can_ install it.
[12:21] <DVSoftware> yes
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> but what's the vmware got to do with anything?
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't use vmware
[12:21] <DVSoftware> it's vmware image file
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> so you can't just run it.
[12:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has to be through vmware?
[12:21] <DVSoftware> basically Disk image
[12:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh
[12:22] <DVSoftware> you just need to write it tho hard drive
[12:22] <DVSoftware> to
[12:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> then will it boot?
[12:22] <DVSoftware> yes
[12:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> or do you have to use vmware?
[12:22] <DVSoftware> on hard drive - not partition
[12:22] <DVSoftware> it contains everything
[12:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> so what does vmware have to do with anything.
[12:22] <DVSoftware> from bootsector
[12:22] <DVSoftware> to osx system
[12:23] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: god damn it, it's vmware image file, so you can just use vmware to see it
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what about the image file makes it have anything to do with vmware?
[12:23] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: are u joking?
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> no
[12:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> how is a vmware image file any different?
[12:23] <DVSoftware> see... it's not different
[12:23] <DVSoftware> vmware just needs few other files
[12:24] <DVSoftware> to work
[12:24] <DVSoftware> but you can use that vmware image to install osx on hdd
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> using what?  just dd?
[12:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> dd can read a vmware image file?
[12:25] <DVSoftware> yes
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> and write to a drive of arbitrary length?
[12:25] <johndarkhorse> dd read block by block, i thought
[12:25] <bob2> dd can copy data, that is all
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it won't work
[12:25] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: it will work
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2  can you make sense of anything he's saying?
[12:25] <DVSoftware> but it will cut your hard drive to 6 gbs
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> he's saying it's a "vmware" image.
[12:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> whatever that means.
[12:25] <DVSoftware> you can make another partiton
[12:26] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: vmware is virtual machine
[12:26] <DVSoftware> god damnit
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> yet if you write it out with dd, it's just a regular partition.
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know that.
[12:26] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: vmware is a commercial "Virtual Machine " application
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know what vmware is.
[12:26] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: not partiton
[12:26] <DVSoftware> but hard drive
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes i know that!!!
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> everyone knows what vmware is.
[12:26] <DVSoftware> /dev/hdb
[12:26] <DVSoftware> not /dev/hdbx
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> vmware can let you run an operating system inside another
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've seen it used.
[12:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> but what does that have to do with the image file.
[12:26] <DVSoftware> so what's the problem
[12:27] <bob2> guys
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does vmware have to do with an image file?
[12:27] <bob2> does this have anything at all to do with Ubuntu?
[12:27] <DVSoftware> vmware image file is just hard drive  image
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> if it's just an image file, that dd can obviously write out, then what does it have to do with vmware?
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> then it's an image file, not a vmware image file.
[12:27] <bob2> ...
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> vmware has nothing to do with it.
[12:27] <DVSoftware> god damn it
[12:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just an image
[12:27] <DVSoftware> !!!
[12:27] <ubotu> well, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:27] <bob2> erm, that was a polite warning there.
[12:28] <johndarkhorse> bob2: good morning! and welcome to the US Labor Day
[12:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 if you don't mind my asking, can you think of anything that could be stopping my system from giving my sata dvd drive an entry in /dev all of a sudden as of today?
[12:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 it was /dev/sdc0
[12:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> now it's not there
[12:28] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: DVSoftware #ubuntu-offtopic please
[12:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse  that doesn't answer my question.
[12:28] <DVSoftware> i've finished conversation about vmware
[12:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> and it never even made any sense.  i'll be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:31] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: what did you change since it last worked?
[12:31] <johndarkhorse> see y'all in a few
[12:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> the only thing i can think of that i've done recently, is a did an apt-get upgrade
[12:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i don't even remember what got upgraded, because i've never had any problems in several months of using ubuntu and doing it.
[12:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> and all of a sudden, my audio was giving me problems today, but i finally "fixed" that..i don't know how.
[12:31] <jimmy_neutron> Hi
[12:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> now my computer is freezing up often.
[12:32] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: sounds like kernel issue
[12:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> and there is no entry for the dvdrom, although the dvd drive works fine when i boot a disc image with it.
[12:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> lemme try to use the older kernel
[12:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> i went from 2.6.10-5 to 2.6.11-1
[12:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> or something like that
[12:32] <jimmy_neutron> I just installed kubuntu 5.04 on my "averatec 6200" Laptop (widescreen 1280x800) and after the instalation the screen is black,...
[12:32] <DVSoftware> BROKEN_LADDER: i had problems with that kernel
[12:33] <DVSoftware> (freezing)
[12:33] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, 2.6.11 would not have been installed by an apt-get upgrade
[12:33] <bob2> that kernel is known-broken, and is never installed without your consent
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure it was
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i saw it
[12:33] <bob2> no, it's not
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i probably consented
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i saw it in the list.
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did the upgrade, then i had it.
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can show you the entry it placed in menu.lst
[12:34] <bob2> in fact, you can only get it by doing "sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-2.6.11"
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> nope
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i did not do that.
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i swear on my mom's grave.
[12:34] <DVSoftware> Linux localhost 2.6.12-8-amd64-generic #1 Tue Aug 30 23:28:02 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:34] <bob2> 2.6.12 != 2.6.11
[12:34] <setite> hey seveas can i pm you?
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe it's because i messed up my source.list once.
[12:34] <m0ns00n> Hello
[12:34] <bob2> jimmy_neutron: try #kubuntu
[12:34] <DVSoftware> bob2: i know
[12:34] <jimmy_neutron> k
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> well in any case bob2 , i'll try the older kernel and see if that fixes things.  sounds like it will.
[12:35] <DVSoftware> i just have one problem with that kernel
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> but seriously, i didn't try to upgrade my kernel by any means.
[12:35] <vu> cdrecord  roks  1000%
[12:35] <DVSoftware> (maybe it's kernel issue, i'm not sure)
[12:35] <m0ns00n> Both mozilla and firefox is wierd here, things more around (positioning) but not at home. Both running Ubuntu Hoary
[12:35] <bob2> well, someone rooted your box and did it then, I dunno
[12:35] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  what kernel are you rebooting on?
[12:35] <No1Viking> Why dont my S-ATA disk mount when I start Ubuntu?
[12:35] <vu> Anybody running ubuntu under vmware?
[12:35] <Ng> putting 2.6.11 in universe was pretty retarded :/
[12:35] <setite> anyone help me with something i dont understand.. check this thread http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=300962&perpage=15&pagenumber=3
[12:36] <DVSoftware> bob2: my usb hard drive is no longer in my kde "Storage Media"
[12:36] <bob2> Ng: it was never the default
[12:36] <DVSoftware> i have to mount it manually
[12:36] <DVSoftware> maybe it's kde issue
[12:36] <Ng> bob2: I know, but people poking around in synaptic see it and assume it must be better
[12:36] <DVSoftware> maybe kernel
[12:36] <DVSoftware> i really dunno
[12:36] <bob2> and people who install random other kernels without checking are screwing themselves
[12:37] <bob2> DVSoftware: #kubuntu, perhaps; I don't use KDE
[12:37] <DVSoftware> bob2: it's not random ;)
[12:37] <DVSoftware> its breezy kernel
[12:37] <bob2> DVSoftware: I was talking to Ng
[12:37] <DVSoftware> ah ok
[12:37] <visor> No1Viking: because there are modules needed to be loaded at boot time, and they might be not standard... a work around is a script to automount it i have an S-ATA disk too and it doesnt mount either
[12:37] <Cashel> setite, whats the problem?
[12:37] <Ng> bob2: you know that, I know that, but they don't, they see it in synaptic, or apt-cache and that means it's ok, right? :/
[12:38] <No1Viking> OK, thanks visor
[12:38] <bob2> No1Viking: depends on what your question really is; is the drive not being detected, or have you not added them to /etc/fstab?
[12:38] <VoX> are there any ubuntu howto's for dual-head nvidia cards?
[12:38] <No1Viking> bob2, not being detected.
[12:38] <DVSoftware> bob2: i'm not using kubuntu, it's ubuntu with kde installed
[12:38] <visor> No1Viking: also you could write down the users option in the fstab line so that an icon with the hard disk appears in computer in nautilus and you just double click it and it mounts automatically
[12:39] <bob2> DVSoftware: which is what kubuntu is...
[12:39] <DVSoftware> Laughing out loud
[12:40] <qt2> can someone roccmend some good dvd authoring and/or burning software that (preferrably) would convert avi's to the correct dvd-player playable format...?
[12:41] <DVSoftware> qt2: avidemux2 + dvdauthor
[12:41] <DVSoftware> maybe
[12:42] <Ng> VoX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors might help
[12:43] <osfameron> Anyone had strange crashes when Totem opens an .mpeg movie ?
[12:43] <pluffsy> what command line tool would you use to create an incremental backup file?
[12:43] <jhaa> i have
[12:43] <VoX> Ng: thanks, thats what i was looking for
[12:43] <jhaa> nautilus crashes sometimes
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 old kernel.  stuff works now.
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanx
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> good to know i spent hours frantically searching for the problem and it was so simple.
[12:44] <osfameron> jhaa: does the screen go black with timer appearing occasionally ?
[12:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> and now it's almost 4am
[12:44] <jhaa> no
[12:44] <bob2> pluffsy: I'd be using duplicity
[12:45] <jhaa> sometimes when i open a video from nautilus with totem, nautilus just stops responding and goes zombie after few minutes
[12:46] <osfameron> ah, with me the screen just blanks out, intermittent timer, and the only thing that seems to fix it is to powercycle it...
[12:46] <jhaa> but i think it's a problem with my kernel, after i compiled my own this started happening, and also the whole system crashes whenever i unmount my usb stick
[12:46] <osfameron> heh
[12:46] <jhaa> doesn't happen on my laptop with the default ubuntu 386 kernel
[12:46] <osfameron> mine's just a standard hoary + various packages
[12:47] <osfameron> ah well, I have about a dozen bugs which I've been meaning to file when I get a spare hour :-)
[12:47] <jhaa> would love to use the default kernel, but it doesn't have the drivers for my tv card
[12:47] <jhaa> :p
[12:49] <bob2> you sure it doesn't?
[12:49] <bob2> it has drivers for many of the common ones
[12:49] <jhaa> mine is hauppage nova-t pci
[12:50] <_setite> yea synaptic didnt update my kernel
[12:50] <_setite> i saw some trashing operation when i booted that failed
[12:50] <jhaa> had to apply a patch to .11 and after that i got it working
[12:51] <Bateau_> how can i fix so that i can connect to WPA protected wireless nettworks?
[12:51] <Ng> jhaa: I've applied the bytesex.org dvb-t patches to the default hoary kernel and it doesn't crash
[12:52] <Ng> jhaa: I would recommend dropping back to the hoary 2.6.10 kernel, not the .11 one in universe
[12:52] <bob2> Bateau_: you can use the xsupplicant program
[12:52] <Bateau_> oki?
[12:53] <Bateau_> just search for that in synaptic?
[12:53] <bob2> yes
[12:53] <Bateau_> oki :)
[12:53] <Bateau_> i`ll try that
[12:53] <_setite> anyone know what i need to do to update my kernel
[12:54] <Bateau_> do i have to do anything after it is installed bob2?
[12:57] <LaserLine> Hello, I have some FireFox and Javascript problems - could someone help ?
[12:58] <Bateau_> bob2: oki, its installed... now what? how do i put in the WPA key and so on?
[12:58] <bob2> Bateau_: not sure, I've not used it
[12:58] <onkarshinde> Can anyone point me to some good Colony 4 screenshots?
[12:58] <Bateau_> :x
[12:59] <Ng> _setite: make sure ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desltop are installed
[12:59] <LaserLine> I'm trying to access a website that has Scrolling text (I guess it's Javascript) and my CPU goes 100% - this doesn't happen with Opera, and doesn't happen with Konqueror. Firefox on Windows machine works good.
[12:59] <LaserLine> I tried to use Ephiphany, and the same effect. I'm using Firefox 1.06 from backports.
[12:59] <LaserLine> The website is www.ynet.co.il (it's Hebrew)  --- I'll be glad for some assistence. Thanks.
[12:59] <bob2> Bateau_: google provides lots of interestingly-looking hits for "ubuntu xsupplicant"
[12:59] <onkarshinde> Can anyone point me to some good Colony 4 screenshots?
[01:00] <bob2> LaserLine: talk to the backports people
[01:00] <bob2> onkarshinde: no need to ask more than once
[01:00] <bob2> onkarshinde: google provides lots of results for "ubuntu breezy screenshots"
[01:02] <onkarshinde> bob2: None of the results is for Colony 4
[01:02] <Ng> probably nothing has changed
[01:02] <Bateau_> bob2: i actually got nothing on that :x
[01:02] <DVSoftware> bob2: it's not backports problem
[01:03] <bob2> DVSoftware: you've replicated it with the real hoary firefox package?
[01:03] <bob2> "Results 1 - 50 of about 571 for ubuntu xsupplicant."
[01:03] <DVSoftware> bob2: i always had that problem
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> heh heh
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> hehhhh
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ehhhh..
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> sounds not working again
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> now that i went back to the old kernel
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> that thing i spent four hours on today trying to fix.
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> is broken again
[01:05] <liraz> anyone here use aMSN?
[01:06] <DVSoftware> liraz: used to use
[01:06] <bob2> best to just ask your question...
[01:06] <bob2> DVSoftware: you had it with hoary's 1.0.2 and 1.0.6 packages?
[01:06] <liraz> it keeps saying people 'join the conversation' but there not chatting with me
[01:07] <liraz> what does 'join hte conversation mean'
[01:07] <DVSoftware> bob2: yes
[01:07] <liraz> it opens like 40 windows of different people
[01:07] <DVSoftware> had it on slackware too
[01:07] <Ng> liraz: use gaim ;)
[01:07] <bob2> DVSoftware: is there a bug like that in the mozilla or ubuntu bugzillas?
[01:08] <liraz> Ng, gaim also sucks. I cant change my nickl
[01:08] <liraz> but do you know what it means when "someone joins the conversation"?
[01:08] <liraz> if it means they open the chat window, I have many stalkers.
[01:08] <Ng> liraz: IM sucks, so all the software for it does too imo
[01:08] <Ng> I only use gaim for talking to two people on MSN, so I have no idea
[01:08] <hyphenated> liraz: tools->Account Actions->your msn account->Set Friendly Name
[01:09] <Bateau_> hmm, i have a laptop with Intell(somtehing) wirelesscard... wil ipw2200 driver thingy work for me?
[01:09] <hyphenated> Bateau_: depends if it's an intel pro wireless card or not
[01:09] <bob2> bitlbee isn't too bad
[01:09] <bob2> Bateau_: you already have drivers for it installed and loaded
[01:09] <hyphenated> Bateau_: if it's a newer laptop, that's probably the only type of card they supply :-)
[01:10] <Bateau_> bob2: thats corect. my WLan card works. so i dont need that other driver then?
[01:10] <manofsteel> hi all
[01:11] <Bateau_> i found this... i dont know what to to in it, and what not to do.. :x http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26623.html
[01:11] <Bateau_> i have a functional Wlan card, cause i use it back home (no encryption there)
[01:12] <DVSoftware> bob2: probably it's in mozilla's bugzilla, but didn't checked
[01:12] <manofsteel> does anyone know if a package for ubuntu supplies libmp3lame.so?
[01:13] <DVSoftware> manofsteel: gstreamer-lame maybe
[01:13] <Orby> ummm could someone point me to the latest snapshot of breezy
[01:13] <DVSoftware> or gstreamer-mad
[01:13] <DVSoftware> !find libmp3lame.so
[01:13] <DVSoftware> errrm
[01:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'libmp3lame.so' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so) in multiverse/libdevel/liblame-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libmp3lame.so.0|libmp3lame.so.0.0.0}) in multiverse/libs/liblame0.
[01:13] <DVSoftware> haaaah
[01:14] <PlanarPlatypus> manofsteel, liblame0 provides that iirc
[01:14] <DVSoftware> !breezy
[01:14] <ubotu> [breezy]  the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[01:14] <Cashel> !tell cashel about esd
[01:14] <LaserLine> bob2 - I have the same problem with the LiveCD.....
[01:14] <LaserLine> bob2 so it's not a backports problem
[01:15] <Orby> actually dont worry i found it :)
[01:15] <manofsteel> ahh.must not have put multiverse in repository list
[01:17] <LaserLine> bob2 Where can I find the backports people ?
[01:20] <infinito> does anyone know how to set a network interface as default?
[01:20] <CaiN_SA> ok right
[01:20] <infinito> i have both eth0 and eth1 and want eth1 as default
[01:20] <CaiN_SA> i upgraded to breezy
[01:20] <CaiN_SA> now x wont start
[01:21] <CaiN_SA> moaning about : cannot find default font fixed
[01:21] <CaiN_SA> how do i fix
[01:22] <aftertaf> backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and see if you can edit it
[01:22] <aftertaf> what IS the default font that it has lost?
[01:23] <bob2> Bateau_: correct
[01:23] <scumbo> infinito, what do you mean default?  Default route?
[01:23] <bob2> LaserLine: I gather they don't have a mailing list or an irc channel
[01:23] <infinito> scumbo: yes, set eth1 as the default route to internet
[01:24] <bob2> aftertaf: it's the font called "fixed"
[01:24] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, FIXED font is gone
[01:24] <nlogax> !tell me about backports
[01:24] <CaiN_SA> and it must be there
[01:24] <scumbo> infinito, "route add default gw <ipaddr-of-interface>"
[01:24] <Bateau_> bob2: correct? que!?
[01:24] <LaserLine> bob2, Now I loaded the Hoary LiveCD (the one I got in the mail) again, and I still have the same problem, So I guess it's not a Backpots problem.... Any Clue ?
[01:24] <bob2> I don't know what taht means
[01:25] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  MUST as in Has to?
[01:25] <LaserLine> Anyone else mught know of a solution for this problem ?
[01:25] <LaserLine> bob2 thanks !
[01:25] <infinito> scumbo: i mean, ia have both eth0 and eth1
[01:26] <infinito> scanwinder: right now, when i start te computer, eth0 is the exit to internet
[01:26] <manofsteel> DVSoftware: how did u find that? my search in synaptic doesn't find anything
[01:26] <infinito> scanwinder: i want eth1 to be the way to internet
[01:26] <infinito> scanwinder: sorry, i was talking to scumbo
[01:26] <DVSoftware> manofsteel: multiverse/libdevel/liblame-dev and multiverse/libs/liblame0
[01:27] <hussam> I think gnome 2.12 is out
[01:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> Do you?
[01:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[01:27] <spayne> hussam: 7th
[01:27] <Nalioth> nlogax: you can /msg the bot for info
[01:27] <Carpe_Libertatem> What's going to be new in 2.12?
[01:27] <scumbo> infinito, sorry.  That's harder.  I've done it though, so let me check what I did.
[01:28] <hussam> spayne: on distrowatch.com, it says nautilus 2.12.0 is out and evolution 2.4 is out
[01:28] <Juhaz> hussam, please read the top few lines here: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/
[01:28] <LeaChim> Firefox crashes every time the pjirc java applet is loaded. i have seen no other reports of this, and even if it's the applet's fault, web pages should not be able to crash the browser. any ideas?
[01:28] <sirfred> Hello. I would like to hotplug an external USB mouse and have it recognized by Xorg, but without using /dev/input/mice as device.
[01:28] <manofsteel> DVSoftware: sorry don't follow. newbie
[01:28] <Carpe_Libertatem> I can't get pjirc to work
[01:28] <DVSoftware> manofsteel: you need to enable multiverse first
[01:28] <spayne> hussam: but it isn't out yet - just because some components are doesn't mean the whole lot is
[01:29] <spayne> hussam: http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven
[01:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> Which linux distro does the Gnome live CD use? o_o
[01:29] <sirfred> That's because I also have a wacom tablet and its mouse will also report to /dev/input/mice. I've tried to use a /dev/input/mouse1 device for the USB external mouse, but if the mouse is not connected when X starts, it just ignores that configuration.
[01:30] <sirfred> So, is there any way to make Xorg to start listening on a new input device while running?
[01:30] <manofsteel> DVSoftware: it is listed as a section under my backports repository
[01:30] <DVSoftware> multiverse not backports
[01:30] <manofsteel> ok?
[01:31] <manofsteel> brb
[01:31] <kaelisra> erm... hiya.
[01:31] <kaelisra> I've got some issues with my install, basically, my sound doesn't work, at all.
[01:31] <scumbo> infinito, back again.  Didn't help much though.  I set up a Debian box with two cards, but the only dual-hosted box I have here is Fedora.
[01:32] <infinito> scumbo: so no idea on how to do it?
[01:32] <LeaChim> Firefox crashes every time the pjirc java applet is loaded. i have seen no other reports of this, and even if it's the applet's fault, web pages should not be able to crash the browser. any ideas?
[01:32] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  is your card recognised in linux?
[01:32] <aftertaf> LeaChim:  remove the plugin and try firefox again (if possible)
[01:33] <infinito> scumbo: ok thanks, i've got to go, but thanks for taking a look
[01:33] <scumbo> infinito, it was a while ago.  The main part of getting the eth0/eth1 thing in the right order was getting the kernel to recognise them.
[01:33] <kaelisra> i'm not sure. i'm rather new to linux, as a whole. its a intel. but the sound daemon won't run, and its telling me that there are no sound controlers
[01:33] <aftertaf> ahhh... :/
[01:33] <infinito> scumbo: ok thank you man
[01:33] <scumbo> infinito, I think it depended on whether it was a modular kernel, or if the drivers were built in.
[01:33] <kaelisra> yet, in windows, which i have dual-booted, it works fine.
[01:34] <oolon> infinito, did you get the answer to to interface question?
[01:34] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  what type of sfx card is it?
[01:34] <kaelisra> hm. an intel, high definition
[01:34] <infinito> oolon: scumbo was telling me is something related to kernel loading modules in order
[01:34] <kaelisra> other than that, I'm not sure ^^;;
[01:34] <infinito> oolon: but maybe you have another solution...
[01:35] <oolon> infinito, you using ethernet?
[01:35] <kaelisra> i could try and run.. erm.. lspci?
[01:35] <infinito> oolon: eth0 ethernet, eth1 wireless
[01:36] <manofsteel> DVSoftware:cool. that got it. thanks very much
[01:36] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  yep
[01:36] <kaelisra> this what it says it is: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[01:36] <aftertaf> onboard soundcard?
[01:36] <kaelisra> i guess so?
[01:36] <aftertaf> probly
[01:36] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, ya must as in have to else x.org does not work
[01:37] <oolon> and you want eth1 first?
[01:37] <kaelisra> i honestly haven't a clue ^^;;
[01:37] <aftertaf> and lsmod... do you have any sound modules installed?
[01:37] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[01:37] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:38] <kaelisra> ok.
[01:38] <aftertaf> for results.
[01:39] <infinito> oolon: yes, eth1 first
[01:39] <kaelisra> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1926
[01:39] <kaelisra> ^^;;
[01:40] <LeaChim> aftertaf, my point is how do i make it work, not, remove java so the java program doesn't work anyway :/
[01:40] <ompaul> *comment
[01:40] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  you don't have any snd modules running....
[01:41] <kaelisra> i don't?
[01:41] <kaelisra> how do i run them? >.<
[01:41] <kaelisra> as i said, i've only had linux for a few days..
[01:41] <oolon> infinito, did you look in /etc/network/interfaces and maybe you can set eth1 as primary
[01:41] <infinito> oolon: don't think so... i've tried with no luck
[01:41] <Nalioth> ompaul: you mean like an /onjoin  ?
[01:42] <aftertaf> try sudo modprobe soundcore
[01:42] <kaelisra> ok.
[01:42] <witblitz> *giggle* is this where all the newbs are
[01:42] <ompaul> Nalioth, yeap
[01:42] <kaelisra> hm.
[01:42] <kaelisra> what was that supposed to do?
[01:42] <djp> hi everyone. could somebody tell me where i add paths in my ./bashrc file in order for my shell to recognize it? i have looked in my ~/.bashrc file but cannot see anywhere that relates to PATH="..."
[01:42] <Nalioth> ompaul: with the traffic in here, ubotu'd be busier than a one legged man just welcoming folks
[01:43] <Nalioth> djp: you have to start a line
[01:43] <djp> Nalioth: ah, ok. so just add a PATH= line at the end of the file right?
[01:43] <ompaul> Nalioth, hmm :)
[01:43] <CaiN_SA> lo wickedpuppy
[01:43] <oolon> infinito, sorry but I gotta leave was just checking mail and stuff b4 I left the house good luck on your prob though
[01:43] <CaiN_SA> * witblitz
[01:43] <aftertaf> !tell DJp about cli
[01:43] <CaiN_SA> so does any1 know
[01:44] <infinito> oolon: ok thanks
[01:44] <Nalioth> djp: yup, just like the examples you find using google
[01:44] <CaiN_SA> how i fix my X.org
[01:44] <aftertaf> djp:  check the linuxcommand site, v good info on that!
[01:44] <djp> thanks Nalioth and aftertaf
[01:44] <witblitz> ewwo cain
[01:44] <Nalioth> ompaul: and i dont think cafuego is gonna want to plumb ubotu into another DB where ubotu keeps track of who he's msg'd
[01:44] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  in console, any way of checking if fonts are installed ok?
[01:45] <kaelisra> afteraf: it seems to have done nothing =/
[01:45] <ppd> hi. does someone here know how to patch a 2.6.12 vanilla kernel with the cko patchset and software suspend 2?
[01:46] <ompaul> Nalioth, well that is reasonable :)
[01:49] <kaelisra> ^^;;
[01:49] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  nothing been insertedhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1927
[01:49] <aftertaf> oops
[01:49] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1927
[01:50] <kaelisra> hm?
[01:50] <kaelisra> ok.
[01:50] <kaelisra> so what do i need to do? ^^;;
[01:50] <aftertaf> to show that once it works, you get a few lines extra ;)
[01:50] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  determine if your soundcard is supported first...
[01:51] <kaelisra> how? ^^;;;;
[01:51] <aftertaf> :info alsa
[01:51] <kaelisra> </absolutely new>
[01:51] <kaelisra> ah, ok.
[01:51] <aftertaf> nope!!!!!!
[01:51] <aftertaf> !info alsa
[01:51] <kaelisra> hm.
[01:51] <aftertaf> having a bad brain day. sorry!!
[01:51] <aftertaf> !alsa
[01:51] <ubotu> somebody said alsa was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:51] <kaelisra> no worries ^^;;
[01:52] <Nalioth> aftertaf: guess we both need our naps, eh?
[01:53] <wizo> hmm, so i have installed java 1.5..
[01:53] <sml12> has anyone been able to use a radeon x300 with a ibm t43 laptop?
[01:53] <sml12> with the ati driver?
[01:53] <wizo> but it doesnt seem to work on mozilla
[01:53] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  http://alsa.opensrc.org/TroubleShooting
[01:53] <aftertaf> & http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Alsa-sound-7.shtml
[01:54] <aftertaf> i dont know enough to give you a decent hand, but maybe you'll find sth in those links.
[01:54] <kaelisra> thanks =)
[01:54] <aftertaf> Nalioth:  OMG totally {8=D
[01:57] <Fackamato> how do I install w32codecs in breezy?
[01:58] <nalioth_zZz> Fackamato: same way you do in hoary
[01:58] <Fackamato> nalioth_zZz: they're not in the repository
[01:59] <nalioth_zZz> Fackamato: d/l them from www.mplayerhq.hu  on the download page (essential pack) and place the contents of the archive in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[01:59] <Fackamato> thanks
[01:59] <nalioth_zZz> Fackamato: you may have to create the 'codecs' folder
[02:00] <Fackamato> aye
[02:01] <tommi^> Hi. How could I create html calendar from an ical file? Thanks
[02:01] <dodder> hi there, i just tried to setup vsftpd with the chroot paramters, but when a user tries to login, he just gets this error: could not open chroot() list file:/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list
[02:02] <dodder> any idea' how i might fix this problem ?
[02:02] <spola> when i do "lame file.ogg mp3.ogg" (my mpplayer doesnt play ogg) the result is static ... what could cause this?
[02:02] <spola> uhm i mean file.ogg file.mp3 :p
[02:02] <kaelisra> alllrighty. got some new errors, but, the old one is gone.
[02:02] <kaelisra> but.. still. no sound.
[02:02] <kaelisra> i get this error when trying to load esd.
[02:02] <kaelisra> kaelisra@knux1:~$ esd
[02:02] <kaelisra> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[02:03] <Fackamato> nalioth_zZz:  hm, I still can't play WMV files, it says it's missing codecs (they're in the right place)
[02:04] <slimer03> what player
[02:04] <Fackamato> uhm
[02:04] <Fackamato> totem with xine-lib
[02:05] <dodder> anyone ?
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> lo CaiN_SA  ....  do I know you ?
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> dodder, still having problems ?
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> :P
[02:05] <dodder> wickedpuppy, yeps...
[02:05] <dodder> hehe :D
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> haaaa
[02:05] <dodder> damn vsftpd is bugging me
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> lol
[02:05] <dodder> read above..
[02:05] <wickedpuppy> yah chroot
[02:06] <dodder> exactly..
[02:06] <dodder> i wouldn't want the users to browse around my filesys
[02:06] <dodder> it should be an inbulit function, but.. yea well..
[02:06] <wickedpuppy> why not use ssh ?
[02:07] <CaiN_SA> wickedpuppy, :P
[02:07] <dodder> for making ftp transfers? ;)
[02:07] <CaiN_SA> who you ?
[02:07] <ompaul> Fackamato, apt-get install xine and did you have a look at hoary-extras?
[02:07] <ompaul> Fackamato, apt-get install totem-xine sorry
[02:07] <spola> hmm i tried using the gstreamer to covert mp3s to ogg and that also gives me static, i can play both mp3's and ogg's just fine! whats up with this?
[02:07] <wickedpuppy> who me ? you said hi to me
[02:07] <wickedpuppy> lol
[02:08] <dodder> argh this is really annoying, when i scroll up on my mouse, it pastes what's in my clipbord :P
[02:08] <dodder> hi there, i just tried to setup vsftpd with the chroot paramters, but when a user tries to login, he just gets this error: could not open chroot() list file:/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list
[02:08] <Fackamato> ompaul:  uh, it's installed, and I'm on breeyz
[02:08] <Fackamato> breezy*
[02:08] <Fackamato> I can play xvid and divx, but not w32 stuff (wmv)
[02:08] <spola> dodder, you should look in your xorgconfig to your mouse section, and make it so that the middlebutton is the one thats scroll up now (etc....)
[02:09] <ompaul> Fackamato, emm I know nothing of breezy other than the october due date :)
[02:09] <dodder> spola, thanks. :) well its just my mouse that's fuckd... so when i try to scroll up, it presses...
[02:09] <spola> oh, lol
[02:09] <dodder> anyone know why my vsftpd won't be friendly today ? :)
[02:10] <slimer03> Fackamato, install ffmpeg package
[02:11] <CaiN_SA> erm wickedpuppy
[02:11] <CaiN_SA> no i did no
[02:11] <Fackamato> done that, still no wmv
[02:11] <slimer03> mplayer;)
[02:11] <CaiN_SA> i wanted to say witblitz
[02:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> WMVs with DMR won't play in Linux afaik.
[02:11] <CaiN_SA> and i only pressed tab once
[02:11] <pirast> !adsl
[02:11] <ubotu> adsl is, like, Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[02:11] <spola> my mouse if fubar also, once when i was high i decided to "mod" it and take the resistance from the scroll wheel ("its soo muh easier now!")... *sigh* so now its hyper sensitive
[02:11] <Fackamato> no DRM here
[02:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Fackamato: Have you tried using VLC?
[02:12] <Fackamato> no.
[02:12] <Fackamato> I want to use xine, it should work
[02:12] <Fackamato> + I'm trying to play an embedded file in a html document
[02:12] <chrissturm> anyone here using zsh?
[02:12] <Tortel> whats the terminal command to run a .sh file?
[02:12] <nightswim> chrissturm: I am
[02:12] <pirast> !usb modem
[02:12] <ubotu> pirast: What?
[02:12] <Myrtti> ./
[02:12] <nightswim> Tortel: ./bla.sh
[02:13] <Tortel> thanks
[02:13] <chrissturm> nightswim, is there a script that zsh executes on user login? something like .bash_profile
[02:13] <nightswim> yes
[02:13] <nightswim> ~/.zshrc
[02:13] <chrissturm> wow cool
[02:14] <chrissturm> thanks a lot
[02:14] <chrissturm> can i just copy my .bash_profile to zshrc?
[02:14] <nightswim> no
[02:14] <nightswim> wel you can
[02:14] <nightswim> it just wont work :>
[02:18] <aftertaf> lol
[02:18] <Tortel> w000t
[02:18] <Tortel> :)
[02:20] <aftertaf> www00000ooo00oo00000o000t
[02:20] <sml12> I have a file that is in use and locked. what is the command to check the app using the file?
[02:20] <aftertaf> sml12:  what is the file?
[02:21] <sml12> aftertaf: my usual apt problem again ... /var/cache/debconf/config.dat :(
[02:21] <Tortel> where does wine install things??
[02:21] <aftertaf> erf......
[02:21] <aftertaf> synaptic not open?
[02:22] <sml12> no .. not that i can see with ps aux
[02:22] <djp> hi. what package is needed in order to use the "my" command? perl appears to be installed by default, however i gather it is another perl package that uses the my command or am i totally off the ball?
[02:22] <aftertaf> ps -A shows no dodgy apt processes?
[02:22] <aftertaf> grrrr!
[02:22] <sml12> hmm lets see
[02:22] <aftertaf> debconf... thats the postinstall config of packages one
[02:23] <slimer03> Fackamato,xine use codecs in /usr/lib/win32 maybe...
[02:23] <Tortel> well, where does wine keep its "c" drive?
[02:23] <sml12> update-notifier?
[02:23] <aftertaf> Tortel:  hunt!!
[02:23] <Fackamato> slimer03:  I'll try
[02:23] <Tortel> :(
[02:23] <aftertaf> (cos i can't remember)
[02:23] <aftertaf> sml12:  maybe
[02:24] <sml12> aftertaf: i had this problem and couldn't work it out :(  i will try killing that one
[02:24] <bimberi> sml12: try "fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat"
[02:24] <aftertaf> fuser?
[02:24] <aftertaf> hmmmMMmm
[02:24] <sml12> no good :(  last time i resorted to a reinstall .. surely i can work it out this time! :)
[02:25] <sml12> bimberi:  thanks but ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:25] <sml12> bimberi: same problems as last time ..... FRONTEND !! whatever that is :(
[02:26] <djp> anyone know what package i am missing to receive the message my: command not found?
[02:26] <aftertaf> sml12:  try dpkg-reconfigure debconf, after a reboot...
[02:26] <aftertaf> and change the option.
[02:27] <aftertaf> it seems to be waiting for you to choose sth after an update
[02:27] <sml12> aftertaf: ok thanks. will try it and be back.
[02:31] <sml12> aftertaf: tried that dpkg-reconfigure debconf and the 'file is locked' :(
[02:31] <sml12> frontend again
[02:33] <Tortel> how do i add wine to that install aplications list??
[02:33] <Tortel> :P
[02:35] <mrdeath> does anyone know the way how to syncronize nokia 6320 organizer with any linux organizer?
[02:35] <mrdeath> or it's impossible?
[02:36] <TonyBurn> hello, is there a graphical partition manager on the ubuntu live cd ?
[02:38] <mxpxpod> in the clock applet on breezy, does anyone else's week start with saturday?
[02:38] <bimberi> Hi TonyBurn, not sure - does running "gparted" in a terminal do anything
[02:38] <bimberi> ?
[02:38] <TonyBurn> afraid not :/
[02:38] <TonyBurn> i can use fdisk i supppose if theres nothing else
[02:39] <bimberi> TonyBurn: it would most likely be gparted so you might have to :|
[02:42] <dodder> I just tried to setup vsftpd with the chroot paramters, but when a user tries to login, he just gets this error: could not open chroot() list file:/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list
[02:42] <dodder> anyone know what todo ... ?
[02:42] <Tortel> how do i add wine to that installed aplications list??
[02:42] <osfameron> What would "Redo" key be mapped to ?
[02:42] <sml12> has anyone had problems with frontend and the config.dat file?
[02:42] <osfameron> OOo maps redo to "Redo" instead of Ctrl-Y
[02:42] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: check the file exists, check the chmod values on the file
[02:42] <apokryphos> Tortel: in where? How did you install wine?
[02:42] <osfameron> and I don't have a Redo key!
[02:43] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, it doesn't excist...i tried to reinstall vsftpd...didn't help
[02:43] <Fred|Fr3d> it cant open a file that doesnt exist... create it or disable chrooting
[02:44] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, but doesn't the file need some data?
[02:44] <aftertaf> sml12:  hmmm. what is the exact error message?
[02:45] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: yes, one sec i'll find what should be in it ;-)
[02:45] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, thanks... :)
[02:45] <dodder> eh what's the command to create a file?
[02:46] <witblitz> touch?
[02:46] <dodder> hm i'll just vim
[02:46] <CarlFK> mkinitramfs is part of building a kernel, right?
[02:46] <witblitz> lol @ CarlFK
[02:47] <CarlFK> it's too early for lol... ;)
[02:47] <witblitz> CarlFK, it's part of making initrd ;)
[02:47] <sml12> aftertaf: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[02:47] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, it seems it just works, when the file is empty? well..
[02:48] <dodder> might run into problems later.. what do i know :)
[02:48] <CarlFK> I was told "generate a fixed DSDT and put it in the right place for mkinitramfs to pick it up"
[02:48] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: well yes it can now find the file. but the file should have a list of which users are chrooted, i beleive, although i've not used chrooting
[02:48] <zblach> hi
[02:49] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, yea well, i just logged in with my default user account, and it was chrooted
[02:49] <dodder> so everything seems to be in order
[02:49] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: ok cool. try another account or two if you have any just to be sure, but it looks like you fixed it ;-)
[02:49] <Tortel> apokryphos Tortel: in where? How did you install wine? <-I installed through the package manager
[02:50] <apokryphos> Tortel: and where is it not marked as installed?
[02:50] <zblach> what does this mean: "Child Terminated with 1 Status"?
[02:50] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, well obviously i didn't i'm only able to login with my dodder account.
[02:50] <Tortel> i would like to ave it on the open with program thing list
[02:50] <dodder> all the others just say, the password is wrong
[02:51] <apokryphos> Tortel: you're going to have to be more specific. Open with thing?
[02:51] <apokryphos> Tortel: I guess you mean upon right-click an application. i.e. you want to alter the file associations (that's what you should ask)
[02:52] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, why may that be?
[02:52] <aftertaf> sml12:  does lsof give you anything?
[02:52] <Bags> Hello all.
[02:52] <Tortel> apokryphos: Yea, thats what i want to d
[02:52] <Tortel> :P
[02:53] <Tortel> *do
[02:53] <CarlFK> witblitz - so does "mkinitramfs to pick it up" mean I have to complile a kernel, or is there a quicker way?
[02:53] <Bags> I'm trying to share a USB printer on my Ubuntu machine to some Windows PCs on the LAN.
[02:53] <apokryphos> Tortel: unfortunately I don't know since I don't use gnome. If you ask, someone else here will know for sure.
[02:53] <Bags> I can't seem to find where you do this...
[02:53] <CarlFK> Bags - I think you need to install the samba server package
[02:54] <zblach> sudo has suddenly stopped working for me. any ideas how to fix it?
[02:54] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, you there?
[02:54] <sml12> aftertaf: yes ... frontend 6944 root    4rW  REG    8,1 65404 4423896 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[02:54] <Bags> CarlFK, That sounds like a smashing idea, mate.
[02:54] <Tortel> Anyone know how to change file associations????
[02:54] <sml12> afertaf .. my good friend 'frontend' again!
[02:55] <CarlFK> I think i need some breakfast
[02:55] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: yes
[02:55] <sml12> aftertaf: the frontend app cannot seem to be killed
[02:55] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, know what i should do ?
[02:55] <dalamar> Tortel, right click, properties, should be a tab that says 'open with'
[02:56] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: you need to add the list of users to the /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list file
[02:56] <aftertaf> sml12:  if you reinit to level 1, can you rename the .dat file??
[02:56] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, but that proberbly needs to be in some syntax, right?
[02:56] <Bags> CarlFK, Um, it's already installled...
[02:56] <Whistler> hello
[02:56] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: yes; try google :P
[02:56] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, heh yea... :)
[02:57] <Tortel> dalamar: I want to open with wine, but wine isnt on that list
[02:57] <zblach> !ipod
[02:57] <ubotu> I heard ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[02:57] <CarlFK> Bags - hmm.  If I didn't have to be somewhere in an hour i could say more than .. good luck ;)
[02:57] <Whistler> is it possible to skip Verifying archive integrity IN RUN files?
[02:57] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, thanks for the assistance
[02:57] <Whistler> whistler@Ramunas:~/Desktop$ ./armyops230-linux.run
[02:57] <Whistler> Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: e3f7ddaa4d105e2b798b865d532e136b is different from bcae59c8dcd4a48d11e6d06bfa070a09
[02:57] <Tortel> aha
[02:57] <dalamar> Tortel, and its a .exe? when I installed wine it automatically associted to .exe files
[02:57] <Tortel> found it
[02:57] <Fred|Fr3d> dodder: you're welcome :)
[02:57] <Whistler> is it possible to skip this thing?
[02:58] <Tortel> its fixed now
[02:58] <Bags> CarlFK, That's cool. Thanks for trying anyhoo. Much appreciated...
[02:58] <spola> Whistler, try opening the sh file and editing it
[02:58] <dalamar> Whistler, that means the file is bad most likely
[02:58] <spola> oh wait, nvmd
[02:58] <CarlFK> Bags - yer welcome.  bye all
[02:59] <zblach> i've messed up majorly. i can no longer sudo from the only account on my computer. what can i do?
[02:59] <sml12> aftertaf: hhmm not sure exactly what you mean. hmm might work on this tomorrow! chat later
[02:59] <sml12> thanks for the starting help aftertaf
[03:01] <vegiVamp> zblach: I might be wrong about this, but I think I remember the root account to be passwordless - go to a text console (ctrl-alt-f1), and try logging in there with root
[03:01] <zblach> vegiVamp, nope. not pwless
[03:01] <vegiVamp> carp :-)
[03:02] <zblach> i can't even access the user settings menu to revert the changes :'(
[03:02] <vegiVamp> what did you do ?
[03:02] <zblach> i was trying to create another account for someone else, with limited accss
[03:02] <Bags> Can anyone suggest a way to share local printers on a windows network ie: USB photosmart 7150 connected via USB to a Ubuntu machine trying to share it with windows pcs?
[03:02] <vegiVamp> Bags: samba
[03:03] <zblach> and, i cancelled it half way. now i can't sudo
[03:03] <Bags> I can't seem to find how to configure Samba in the GUI.
[03:03] <vegiVamp> zblach: hmm...
[03:03] <zblach> Bags, there's a samba gui?
[03:03] <dalamar> i dont think so
[03:03] <Bags> There's a control panel in Kubuntu, but it doesn't seem to work...
[03:03] <Bags> Nothing in Ubuntu that I can find...
[03:04] <Bags> I'm sorry guys, but I'm not much use with a command line...
[03:04] <vu> Bags: webmin will help you.
[03:04] <vegiVamp> zblach: what's the error message ?
[03:04] <Bags> Noob stamped on the forehead...
[03:04] <zblach> vegiVamp, every time i try to 'sudo' something, i get this: "Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:05] <Bags> vu, webmin?
[03:05] <gorilla> Bags, what about swat(??) which is a web based frount end to samba?
[03:05] <Bags> vu, What's that?
[03:05] <vu> bags: Yes google the URL and DL it.
[03:05] <aftertaf> sml12:
[03:05] <zblach> Bags, its in the synaptic package manager: SWAT
[03:05] <Bags> Great!
[03:06] <Bags> Thanks guys, I'll try that now.
[03:06] <aftertaf> i meant, by quitting X, going to console and running init 1,
[03:06] <vegiVamp> zblach: tried kdesu ?
[03:06] <aftertaf> sort of maintenance mode
[03:06] <vu> http://www.webmin.com/
[03:06] <zblach> vegiVamp, kdesu?
[03:06] <sml12> yes
[03:06] <aftertaf> then killing process or renaming problem file.
[03:06] <vegiVamp> it's the graphical sudo
[03:06] <vegiVamp> ah, sorry, you're not on k
[03:06] <vegiVamp> dunno what the gnome equivalent is
[03:06] <zblach> i was going to say...
[03:06] <dodder> Fred|Fr3d, now i'm getting confused.. the other users still won't login.. and the chroot_list file is wierd too.. when i add a user to it, it's not chrootet, and when i remove one, it is... wierd..
[03:07] <aftertaf> !nfo gksu
[03:07] <ubotu> aftertaf: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:07] <aftertaf> nope ubotu
[03:07] <vegiVamp> zblach: there's 'open root console' somewhere in the menus, does that one work ?
[03:08] <zblach> ""Child terminated with 1 status""
[03:08] <gorilla> ubotu, gksu is a graphical frontend to su
[03:08] <ubotu> gorilla: okay
[03:08] <aftertaf> !nfo gksu
[03:08] <ubotu> aftertaf: I haven't a clue
[03:08] <zblach> !gksu
[03:08] <ubotu> gksu is, like, a graphical frontend to su
[03:08] <gorilla> zblach, better than nothing :-)
[03:08] <zblach> true.
[03:09] <aftertaf> oh dear, i really am not connected today
[03:11] <zblach> damnit! can't run gdmsetup to add a root user either!
[03:12] <dalamar> your not running anything reqiuring root right now, period. not without a password/sudo, that'd be a security hole heh
[03:13] <jdahm> hello
[03:13] <zblach> zblach@DiscoInferno:/etc$ export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo
[03:13] <zblach> Password:
[03:13] <zblach> Sorry, user zblach is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/visudo' as root on localhost.localdomain.
[03:13] <zblach> -___________- I've locked myself out, haven't I
[03:13] <vegiVamp> zblach: cat /var/log/auth.log
[03:13] <jdahm> When I start up gnome, I get this error "Failed to inititate HAL" or something about starting up HAL
[03:13] <jdahm> anyone know how to fix this?
[03:14] <aftertaf> gorilla:  i'm off for a cigarette : rien ne va plus !!
[03:14] <vegiVamp> most things I find related to your error seem to say it's just an error in the password
[03:14] <pitti> jdahm: what is your dbus version?
[03:14] <gorilla> okay... take care aftertaf
[03:14] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:15] <zblach> cat: /var/log/auth.log: Permission denied
[03:15] <nlogax> zblach, you can fix that quite easily
[03:15] <zblach> nlogax, how?
[03:15] <jdahm> pitti, how do I check?
[03:15] <gorilla> zblach, try sudo cat /var/log/auth.log
[03:15] <zblach> gorilla, cat: /var/log/auth.log: Permission denied
[03:15] <pitti> jdahm: in synaptic, or, if you like the command line, "dpkg -s dbus"
[03:15] <gorilla> zblach, with sudo??
[03:16] <vegiVamp> gorilla: that's the whole point :-)
[03:16] <jdahm> pitti, not installed :P
[03:16] <jdahm> Ill install it
[03:16] <zblach> zblach@DiscoInferno:/etc$ sudo cat /var/log/auth.log
[03:16] <zblach> Sorry, user zblach is not allowed to execute '/bin/cat /var/log/auth.log' as root on localhost.localdomain.
[03:16] <pitti> jdahm: wait, hoary?
[03:16] <nlogax> zblach, if you screwed up your sudoers file & don't know root passwd u need to mount the fs under a different root fs
[03:16] <jdahm> pitti, yeah
[03:16] <pitti> jdahm: ah, ok
[03:16] <zblach> nlogax, i'm a noob. can you explain that a bit?
[03:16] <nlogax> zblach - you can do this from Knoppix or another live CD
[03:16] <nlogax> have u got one?
[03:16] <pitti> jdahm: does that always happen? or just sometimes? did you enable DMA on your CD-ROMs?
[03:17] <zblach> i've a whole bunch of ubuntu installs,
[03:17] <jdahm> pitti, wait, synaptic tlells me its installed
[03:17] <dodder> i'm using ftpd but it won't let me login with any other user, than the one i'm using as default... why would that be ?
[03:17] <zblach> i think i have a knoppix. lemme look
[03:17] <jdahm> pitti, just sometimes
[03:17] <Bags> Just installed swat
[03:17] <Bags> can't get it to turn on
[03:17] <jdahm> pitti, it only gives the error on some bootups
[03:17] <pitti> jdahm: if you want, file a bug in Bugzilla and do the full hal debug described at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[03:17] <Bags> chkconfig swat on returns an error that chkconfig is unknown
[03:18] <Bags> Bugger all this.
[03:18] <pitti> jdahm: however, we can't fix hoary anyway, so maybe, if you can, you can check with the current Breezy live CD?
[03:18] <Bags> I'm going back to windows...
[03:18] <zblach> nlogax, i have debian discs. the 7cd collection
[03:18] <dodder> hehe.. it's the errors that makes it fun :)
[03:18] <zblach> nlogax, wait. i just found a knoppix disc
[03:18] <nlogax> you need to know which partition has your root filesystem (hda1?) then boot off a liveCD
[03:18] <jdahm> pitti, ok I dont have one, is Breezy out now as stable?
[03:18] <dodder> i'm using ftpd but it won't let me login with any other user, than the one i'm using as default... why would that be ?
[03:18] <zblach> hdb3, i think
[03:19] <gorilla> jdahm, not yet.. october it should stablise.
[03:19] <jdahm> ok
[03:19] <nlogax> ok, so you would boot off the liveCD, then mount that FS and then edit /etc/passwd
[03:19] <pitti> jdahm: not yet the release, but the preview is at Wednesday; the current Colony-4 should work already, and you can upgrad eto the releaese easily
[03:19] <pitti> jdahm: but with the live CD you have no risk anyway
[03:19] <jdahm> ah
[03:19] <Wermut> How can I have use duplex printing in Ubuntu?
[03:19] <nlogax> you either need to rectify your sudoers file or delete the passwd hash for the root user
[03:19] <zblach> nlogax, ok. i'mma give it a try
[03:20] <kewlman> hi all
[03:21] <jdahm> pitti, thanks for the help, breakfast time
[03:27] <LinuxJones> Morning everybody
[03:28] <CaiN_SA> lo
[03:30] <LaserLine> Is it possible to change the skin/theme of aMule ??
[03:31] <djp> does anyone know if error messages/messages that appear in the bash/terminal, get saved anywhere?
[03:32] <LinuxJones> djp, what were you doing that caused an error (information can get stored in any number of places)
[03:32] <zblach> hi, i'm back
[03:32] <djp> LinuxJones, i was running a perl script
[03:32] <zblach> i got to the passwd file, but then i didn't know what to do
[03:33] <the4bagger> How do I gain write access to my ubuntu system files? please pm me for more info
[03:33] <zblach> which _really_ sucks, because i fixed the visudo file
[03:33] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you mean the core system files ?
[03:34] <zblach> nlogax, what was I to do at the /etc/passwd?
[03:34] <LaserLine> Does anyone know how to change the theme in aMule ??
[03:34] <{cYanide}> hi er could someone tell me the default first line (for the cd rom) in sources.list
[03:34] <{cYanide}> please
[03:35] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you usually use sudo "command" (enter your user password)
[03:35] <the4bagger> I need to edit the xorg.conf file and the menu.lst file
[03:35] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you can do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst for example
[03:35] <pirast> !container
[03:35] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, pirast
[03:35] <dalamar> you have to sudo to edit those ie, sudo gedit xorg.conf
[03:35] <aftertaf> the4bagger:  sudo vim
[03:35] <pirast> How to make a encrypted container in Ubuntu?
[03:35] <zblach> ubotu, a container is something that holds stuff
[03:35] <ubotu> zblach: okay
[03:36] <Ng> that's a really stupid thing to define ;)
[03:36] <pirast> lol
[03:36] <pirast> !container
[03:36] <ubotu> I heard container is something that holds stuff
[03:36] <LinuxJones> lol
[03:36] <Ng> stupid bots :(
[03:36] <pirast> ok can anybody help me?
[03:36] <pirast> I want to encrypt my data in a container :-)
[03:36] <nlogax> zblach you need to edit it
[03:36] <pirast> Please help :-)
[03:36] <zblach> nlogax, how so?
[03:36] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how do i configure proftpd? there are no files or folders for it in /etc/ :S
[03:37] <LinuxJones> pirast, have you searched the wiki I recall there being a hoto on there
[03:37] <pirast> yes
[03:37] <pirast> i found something now
[03:38] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, so your trying to install the nvidia or ati  binary drivers ?
[03:38] <pirast> ubotu cointainer is also something that holds encrypted stuff. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[03:38] <ubotu> pirast: okay
[03:38] <pirast> !container
[03:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, container is something that holds stuff
[03:38] <pirast> ubotu forget cointainer
[03:38] <ubotu> i forgot cointainer, pirast
[03:38] <zblach> :(
[03:39] <pirast> ubotu container is also something that holds encrypted stuff. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[03:39] <ubotu> pirast: okay
[03:39] <pirast> !container
[03:39] <ubotu> hmm... container is something that holds stuff, or something that holds encrypted stuff. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[03:39] <pirast> Is it OK?
[03:39] <zblach> ^_^
[03:40] <LinuxJones> pirast, encryptedfs or encryptedfilesystem might be a better reference name
[03:41] <pirast> Jupp :-)
[03:41] <pirast> ubotu forget container
[03:41] <ubotu> i forgot container, pirast
[03:42] <pirast> ubotu encrypted filesystem is something to protect your data. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[03:42] <ubotu> okay, pirast
[03:42] <pirast> !encrypted filesystem
[03:42] <ubotu> methinks encrypted filesystem is something to protect your data. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[03:42] <pirast> ahh
[03:42] <pirast> great
[03:42] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, :P
[03:42] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, so your trying to install the nvidia or ati  binary drivers ?
[03:42] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, did you get my PM?
[03:43] <stoeptegel> <-newbie alert!
[03:43] <stoeptegel> i can't get my files deleted on my ext3 partition. File are owned by my username are 775
[03:43] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes but it didn't provide enough info
[03:43] <vegiVamp> stoeptegel: errmessage ?
[03:43] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, your xorg config isn't working ?
[03:43] <vegiVamp> LinuxJones: ati drivers fsck my resolution :-)
[03:43] <kaelisra> ^^;;
[03:44] <kaelisra> found some info
[03:44] <kaelisra> i basically need a new kernal
[03:44] <kaelisra> *kernel
[03:44] <zblach> !resolution
[03:44] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:44] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok you have to set your monitors refresh rates correctly
[03:44] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, see ^^
[03:44] <kaelisra> later than.. 2.6.11
[03:44] <kaelisra> anyone know how i can do that?
[03:45] <CaiN_SA> !splash
[03:45] <ubotu> CaiN_SA: I give up, what is it?
[03:45] <CaiN_SA> !usplash
[03:45] <ubotu> [usplash]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashDiscuss
[03:45] <Trou> i got a weird problem : i have some automounted dirs on NFS, and when I try to open a document by double clicking on it, if the full path of this doc contains an accent, openoffice cannot find the file. gedit doesn't exhibit this behaviour
[03:45] <{cYanide}> !parsnip
[03:45] <ubotu> {cYanide}: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:45] <stoeptegel> $ rm Thumbs.db    rm: cannot remove `Thumbs.db': Onbekend bestand of map
[03:45] <{cYanide}> ubotu, parsnips kill people
[03:45] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, {cYanide}
[03:45] <{cYanide}> lolol
[03:45] <kaelisra> O_o
[03:46] <vegiVamp> LinuxJones: thing is, worked with regular drivers, upgraded to ati drivers, fscked resolution to 640, purge of ati drivers + restore of old xconfig didn't fix
[03:46] <Trou> !accent
[03:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Trou
[03:46] <vegiVamp> I'll look for it later, though
[03:46] <Trou> !accents
[03:46] <ubotu> Trou: Not a clue
[03:46] <Trou> !open office
[03:46] <ubotu> Trou: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:46] <Trou> !openoffice
[03:46] <vegiVamp> stoeptegel: capitals ?
[03:46] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Trou
[03:46] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  why do you need a kernel later than 2.6-11 ?
[03:47] <kaelisra> afteraf: the driver i need, is only supported with later than 2.6-11
[03:47] <aftertaf> !info open-office
[03:47] <pirast> !openoffice
[03:47] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, pirast
[03:47] <pirast> !open-office
[03:47] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, pirast
[03:47] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I have tried to configure my monitor using xorgconfig, but I continue to get the same error
[03:47] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you can't change them under System >> Preferences >> Screen Resolution ?
[03:47] <gorilla> kaelisra, if you are talking about the nvidia driver then 2.6.11 isn't a problem.
[03:47] <vegiVamp> stoeptegel: ls -l Thumbs.db ?
[03:47] <kaelisra> gorilla, nope
[03:47] <stoeptegel> VegiVamp: no i'am sorry in konsole i was in the wrong directory :o  (but in kde it DIDN't work :-s )
[03:48] <vegiVamp> ah :-)
[03:48] <aftertaf> what was it again?
[03:48] <kaelisra> bd_ "# High Definition Audio versions of the ICH6 chipset (and some compatible Realtek chipsets) are supported by the snd-hda-intel driver, which is only available from ALSA 1.0.9, or with kernels later than 2.6.11; an earlier version of this driver, from ALSA 1.0.8, was called snd-azx."
[03:48] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I can not boot into the GUI
[03:48] <aftertaf> ahhh ok. sound !
[03:48] <aftertaf> yep
[03:48] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  you can install alsa 1.0.9, no?
[03:48] <kaelisra> appearantly, snd-azx is buggy as hell
[03:48] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, the problem is your monitor is not correctly detected. Search google as per the link above and get your vertical refresh rates for your make/model of your monitor write them down and edit the xorg.conf file by hand
[03:48] <kaelisra> hm?
[03:48] <kaelisra> i'm not sure.
[03:49] <jdahm> hey where can I get the breezy badger colony 4?
[03:49] <jdahm> live cd
[03:49] <aftertaf> me neither...
[03:49] <kaelisra> the people i've been talking to, suggest that i get the new kernel.. or something.... >.<
[03:49] <the4bagger> grr...LinuxJones, can we please talk in PM?
[03:49] <aftertaf> kernel 2.6.11 aint recommended yet, need 2.6.12
[03:49] <aftertaf> which aint available yet i think
[03:49] <kaelisra> hm.
[03:49] <kaelisra> hang on.
[03:51] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, here is my monitor config from the xorg config file this is the info you need >> http://pastebin.ca/22142
[03:51] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, nope here is fine :)
[03:51] <kaelisra> fuzzie i don't know what to suggest, presumably there's /some/ way to get a recent linux version into ubuntu.
[03:52] <kaelisra> yay for fuzzeh. she's got a friend who's trying to find out.
[03:52] <Ng> you can make your own kernel package if you want to
[03:52] <the4bagger> i dont know how to edit files in terminal mode, im new to linux and need a GUI unless you can give me the command
[03:52] <Ng> it's just better to avoid it where possible
[03:52] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how do you send a message as root, like you get when you reboot the system?
[03:52] <kaelisra> ah, ok.
[03:52] <bob2> installing with it will be harder
[03:53] <kaelisra> *nods*
[03:53] <Ng> the4bagger: you can use "nano" in a console
[03:53] <bob2> Fred|Fr3d: send a message? an email message?
[03:53] <kaelisra> its appearantly the only way i can get sound
[03:53] <kaelisra> which is annoying.
[03:53] <Ng> Fred|Fr3d: usually by writing to the terminal devices
[03:53] <aftertaf> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/351386
[03:53] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  ^^^^
[03:53] <kaelisra> ok.
[03:53] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, one of the errors i get is: (EE) Screens(s) found, but none have usable configuration.
[03:54] <Ng> kaelisra: well breezy is out next month, so you could wait for that, if not take a look at make-kpkg (the wiki probably has kernel building instructions)
[03:54] <kevor> my webcam is not recognized, g-v-m says libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_46d_8f0_100_-1_noserial
[03:54] <Quinthius> Anyone know why totem would give the error "Resource busy or doest not exist" when I try to use it?
[03:54] <the4bagger> another error i get is: (EE)I810(0):Cannot read V_BIOS
[03:54] <kevor> anyway to fix this?
[03:54] <aftertaf> kaelisra:  but they say that the drivers arent included in this kernel either...
[03:54] <Fred|Fr3d> Ng: how?
[03:54] <bob2> kevor: file a bug...
[03:54] <kaelisra> ohmy.
[03:54] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok once you get your monitor info login to the bash terminal and type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf  (enter your users password)          then arrow down to the monitor section and add your hor/vertical refresh settings then hit ALT + o and save changes. Then hit startx to re-start the xserver
[03:54] <aftertaf> cant you download alsa-drivers and use it that way?
[03:54] <aftertaf> this said, unsure....
[03:55] <bob2> aftertaf: where does it say it's not in the kernel?
[03:55] <aftertaf> what processor achitecture do you have?
[03:55] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok then also select vesa as your video driver
[03:55] <aftertaf> bob2:  my above link...
[03:55] <aftertaf> though i stress this could well have changed since
[03:56] <Ng> Fred|Fr3d: if you run "w" in a terminal, it'll show you the TTY device, then you can do something like: echo "hello" >/dev/pts/0, but that'll just write it to the one
[03:56] <Ng> Fred|Fr3d: I'm not sure if you can broadcast a message to all of them like init does though
[03:56] <aftertaf> It looks from other threads as though you will need the snd-hda-intel module, recently renamed from snd-azx.
[03:56] <kaelisra> back
[03:57] <kaelisra> hm. ok.
[03:57] <Fred|Fr3d> ok thanks Ng
[03:57] <h17m4n> How do I make my mouse's thumb button work?
[03:57] <nlogax> Ng what about the 'wall' command?
[03:57] <kaelisra> afteraf: appearantly, its supposed to be related
[03:57] <nlogax> Ng i.e. 'write all'
[03:57] <Ng> nlogax: good call
[03:57] <Ng> nlogax: but tell Fred|Fr3d, he wants to know :)
[03:57] <nlogax> Fred|Fr3d look up the wall command - it writes to all TTYs
[03:58] <Fred|Fr3d> i found this: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/wall.1.html
[03:58] <Fred|Fr3d> but when i try it:
[03:59] <Fred|Fr3d> root@fredserv:/root # wall test
[03:59] <Fred|Fr3d> wall: can't read test.
[03:59] <phrizer> hmm has anyone else noticed in file manager, if you set listview zoom to 25% then close file manager and reload, its still set to 25% But its larger than it orignally was, its now somewhere inbetween 25% and 50%, even though its set to 25%. heh.
[03:59] <phrizer> maybe its just me.
[03:59] <nlogax> Fr3d|Fr3d just use 'man wall' to read about it
[03:59] <bob2> running wall as root seems suboptimal
[03:59] <bob2> phrizer: file a bug!
[03:59] <phrizer> filefile browser*
[03:59] <nlogax> Fred|Fr3d - if you type wall then ENTER you're away
[04:00] <nlogax> you don't need any parameters
[04:00] <Fred|Fr3d> nlogax: ok i did that, and then typed some stuff in but it didnt come up in another tab
[04:00] <the4bagger> omg, can somebody please PM me so we can talk about my problem? here too hard to describe my situation
[04:02] <nlogax> bob2 I don't think wall needs root
[04:02] <nlogax> bob2 - only for those who have used 'mesg n' to stop messages do you require root
[04:02] <gorilla> bob2, wall does not require root
[04:03] <bob2> yes, I know
[04:03] <bob2> I was wondering why Fred|Fr3d was running it as root
[04:03] <Fred|Fr3d> i was looking for the proftpd config at the time
[04:03] <Fred|Fr3d> i'm su'ed
[04:03] <nlogax> Fred|Fr3d - you don't need to use root when running wall
[04:03] <nlogax> an ordinary unpriveleged user will do
[04:03] <bob2> that's a bad idea to begin with
[04:03] <fluffybunny_> i've heard that linux doesn't need antivirus protection... is this true? even for emails?
[04:03] <bob2> su = mistakes
[04:03] <bob2> fluffybunny_: sure
[04:04] <bob2> fluffybunny_: unless you're in the habit of running programs sent to you by strangers
[04:04] <Fred|Fr3d> cant edit /etc/proftpd.conf without root :/
[04:04] <PuGz> hey guys
[04:04] <fluffybunny_> bob2: no, a friend got a virus and thought it was from me... so i wanted to check
[04:05] <bob2> fluffybunny_: and if they look at the mail headers, they'll find it was forged
[04:05] <bob2> fluffybunny_: unless you have a windows machine using the same address
[04:05] <gorilla> fluffybunny_, probbaly not... your email address might have been forged though..
[04:05] <nlogax> ubotu tell Fred|Fr3d about sudo
[04:05] <bob2> Fred|Fr3d: of course you can: sudo vim /etc/whatever
[04:05] <PuGz> i am using ubuntu hoary on my non system critical laptop... do you think breezy is ready for use yet?
[04:05] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, does that same edit method work with the grub file, menu.lst?
[04:05] <PuGz> should i dist-upgrade?
[04:05] <nlogax> ubotu tell me about sudo
[04:05] <bob2> PuGz: do you know how to fix X?
[04:05] <PuGz> i tried it a month a go, and quite a few things were still broken
[04:05] <PuGz> bob2, is it broken?
[04:06] <bob2> apparently
[04:06] <PuGz> whats broken about it?
[04:06] <Fred|Fr3d> nlogax: well i'm also editing all the apache2 config files... i really do know not to use root for normal stuff :P
[04:07] <bob2> sudo again
[04:07] <pawdro> hi, I want to make upgrade of kernel, can I do it using apt or dpkg?
[04:07] <pawdro> by net
[04:07] <pawdro> using net
[04:07] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes
[04:07] <PuGz> bob2, so Xorg is broken in breezy atm?
[04:08] <PuGz> that sucks!
[04:08] <bob2> no idea
[04:08] <CarLBanks> I've run into a small problem with Ubuntu
[04:08] <bob2> people here are whinging
[04:08] <PuGz> they just released a new colony thingy didnt they?
[04:08] <CarLBanks> I can't get my windows only applications to run
[04:08] <bob2> pawdro: why?
[04:08] <PuGz> CarLBanks, huh?
[04:08] <pawdro> bob2, why not?
[04:08] <CarLBanks> Teamspeak and World of Warcraft to name a few
[04:08] <PuGz> CarLBanks, you mean using wine?
[04:08] <pawdro> to make my skiils better:p
[04:08] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, so editing the files this way will give me write access?
[04:08] <CarLBanks> I've heard Wine is very buggy
[04:08] <PuGz> CarLBanks, what do you use?
[04:09] <bob2> CarLBanks: www.codeweavers.com, www.transgaming.com. have your credit card ready.
[04:09] <CarLBanks> I don't use anything right now
[04:09] <bob2> pawdro: upgrading for no reason is silly
[04:09] <PuGz> CarLBanks, you know linux cant run windows applications dont you?
[04:09] <CarLBanks> I must pay for open source stuff?
[04:09] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes using sudo basically gives you administrative priviliges (root priviliges)
[04:09] <bob2> CarLBanks: they are not open source
[04:09] <CarLBanks> I do PuGz
[04:09] <pawdro> maby for better ram use?
[04:09] <PuGz> CarLBanks, you need to install an emulator
[04:09] <pawdro> maybe
[04:09] <CarLBanks> and that's why I won't use Linux
[04:09] <CarLBanks> because I have a few things which Linux can't run
[04:09] <PuGz> CarLBanks, crossover office and transgaming provide non open source software alternatives to wine... they work a LOT better
[04:10] <PuGz> CarLBanks, yes... if you have some programs which you MUST run... it is a good idea to keep windows on your computer as a dual boot
[04:10] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, so can you give me the full commands to edit the xorg.conf and menu.1st (grub) file?
[04:10] <CarLBanks> but the time it takes to boot to these I run them ALL the Time
[04:10] <PuGz> CarLBanks, but you say it like its linux's fault: microsoft wont tell the world how windows works... so we cant make it work in linux... we try!
[04:11] <PuGz> CarLBanks, what programs?
[04:11] <bob2> CarLBanks: then perhaps ubuntu is not ready for you, or you are not ready for it.
[04:11] <bob2> CarLBanks: winex and transgaming may suit your needs, if you're willing to pay for them
[04:11] <PuGz> CarLBanks, let me know which programs.... would be glad to suggest some alternatives... if they exist
[04:11] <CarLBanks> I guess I'm just not ready for it then
[04:11] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf    sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:11] <PuGz> CarLBanks, dont give up so easy my man
[04:11] <PuGz> CarLBanks, dont stress
[04:11] <CarLBanks> World of Warcraft - No alternative exists
[04:11] <PuGz> CarLBanks, hehe
[04:12] <PuGz> i guarantee you winex could run that
[04:12] <PuGz> GUARANTEE
[04:12] <PuGz> you do have to pay for winex unfortunately
[04:12] <kspath> if it is games do not bother
[04:12] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, sudo -s will give you a root shell (admin rights to your whole system but be carefull using this command)
[04:12] <reiki> ok... I've kinda had enough of ChatZilla for firefox... every time firefox crashes, it takes my irc client with it. So I'm setting up X-Caht instead
[04:12] <kspath> WinXP is for gamers
[04:12] <kspath> linux is for work
[04:12] <kspath> linux is for business
[04:12] <pirast> linux is for gamers too
[04:12] <PuGz> winex is now called cedega and is made by transgaming.com
[04:12] <PuGz> http://www.transgaming.com/
[04:13] <pirast> I play battlefield vietnam and warcraft III under linux with cedega
[04:13] <PuGz> winex can run HEAPS of games
[04:13] <PuGz> HEAPS
[04:13] <CarLBanks> I don't see the need to pay for stuff I own already
[04:13] <georgeblunt> has anyone managed to run WoW using cvscedega?
[04:13] <PuGz> pirast, go pirast
[04:13] <pirast> looool
[04:13] <h17m4n> on the games topic, how do I install the ut2004 demo.... tar.gz file
[04:13] <h17m4n> when I gunzip, it gives me some weird error
[04:14] <PuGz> CarLBanks, yeah.... sniff around... you may be able to *cough* download it from *gnutella* or *cough* limewire or *cough* kazaa
[04:14] <h17m4n> I dl'd twice.... wget and d4x
[04:14] <PuGz> CarLBanks, i said nothin
[04:14] <CarLBanks> I also won't do it illegally
[04:14] <bob2> CarLBanks: you're not paying for stuff yo ualready own
[04:14] <PuGz> CarLBanks, serious? you run windows and EVERY program you have is legal?
[04:14] <h17m4n> you gan get winex legally
[04:14] <bob2> CarLBanks: you're paying for software which gives you some piece of conveniense
[04:14] <h17m4n> it just won't be so easy getting it to work
[04:14] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, and alt o saves the file?
[04:14] <bob2> h17m4n: why don't you run file on it then?
[04:15] <kspath> CarLBanks: that is why I wiped Windows and MacOSX   money   they want 100-200$ to update    but if you have piles of money  just run whatever you want to spend those piles of money on
[04:15] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, CRTL + o sorry
[04:16] <h17m4n> ark won't open the file either
[04:16] <bob2> h17m4n: then ignore that
[04:16] <bob2> h17m4n: and run file on it
[04:16] <kspath> I will not illegally copy any muzik or software either   that is why I love linux  I can get almost anything for a productive life for free
[04:16] <bob2> h17m4n: and find that it's an uncompressed tarfile
[04:16] <bob2> h17m4n: because firefox is crap
[04:16] <h17m4n> how?
[04:16] <the4bagger> ok, ill try it out, thanks LinuxJones
[04:16] <PuGz> bob2, why you say that?
[04:16] <PuGz> bob2, what do you use?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, good luck :)
[04:17] <bob2> h17m4n: how do you normally run commands?
[04:17] <h17m4n> well I'm a noob.... I just open the terminal window and run them
[04:17] <nlogax> kspath Word.
[04:17] <h17m4n> it's a run.gz file btw
[04:18] <CarLBanks> so you mean running Cedaga won't be unsupported?
[04:20] <CarLBanks> and will Cedaga allow me to run another application which only works on XP?
[04:20] <bob2> h17m4n: wtf
[04:20] <bob2> 00:13:41         h17m4n |  on the games topic, how do I install the ut2004 demo.... tar.gz file
[04:20] <bob2> 00:17:44         h17m4n |  it's a run.gz file btw
[04:20] <bob2> which of those two is correct?
[04:20] <h17m4n> the last one
[04:21] <bob2> CarLBanks: try #cedega or transgaming.com for marketing spiel
[04:21] <bob2> do be more careful when askign questions then
[04:21] <h17m4n> I thought it was a tarball... just checked it and it's a run.gz
[04:21] <bob2> read the instructions on the website
[04:21] <CarLBanks> Sorry Bob2
[04:26] <Blissex> bob2: both actually -- it is a .tar that is inside a shell script :-)
[04:27] <Seveas> mode #ubuntu
[04:27] <zeus1_> hey disasm....
[04:27] <Seveas> hmm a / is useful there...
[04:27] <nlogax> but less entertaining
[04:27] <kevogod> yea don't try "ns identify <password>"
[04:28] <kevogod> it might result in something awful
[04:28] <zeus1_> disasm umm...remember when i got that usb headset detected yesterday...well i booted into windows xp last night , turned it off went to sleep and woke up booted into ubuntu and it was no longer detected
[04:28] <zeus1_> it seems booting into windows xp will lose my headset's usb detection
[04:32] <zeus1_> now i cant get my headset detected again im scrweed
[04:32] <ijeffchat> Quick question: can I browse my OSX partition in ubuntu?
[04:33] <kemik> !nvidia
[04:33] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ijeffchat: yes, you should be able to
[04:34] <h17m4n> is it ok to leave the azureus folder inside my home folder and run it from there?
[04:35] <apokryphos> h17m4n: that's fine. Though, you can apt for azureus; it's in hoary-extras.
[04:35] <h17m4n> yeah
[04:35] <h17m4n> I get an error though
[04:35] <apokryphos> h17m4n: what is it?
[04:35] <h17m4n> I don't know if it's me or the backports repos
[04:36] <h17m4n> h/o
[04:36] <h17m4n> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[04:36] <zeus1_> no 1 can help me wit my headset i am sad now...:'(
[04:36] <f|bber> hey all, just ran the ubuntu live cd, very impressed - currently using FC4, anyone been same situation and how did you find migration from yum to apt!
[04:37] <h17m4n> I got a list of repositories from the ubuntu site
[04:37] <Srekel> hi
[04:37] <h17m4n> an improved one over one that seveas posted
[04:37] <kevogod> Yum is slow.
[04:37] <Srekel> Ubuntu has for some reason started to disable IRQ #11 - my Network card!
[04:37] <zeus1_> ok i gues i just gota wait til breezy comes out and hope to god that they fixed teh usb stuff
[04:38] <zeus1_> cuz i submited a bug report
[04:38] <Srekel> what are the reasons that might happen?
[04:38] <Srekel> and are there any known solutions?
[04:38] <kevogod> f|bber: apt is very friendly and easy to learn.
[04:39] <h17m4n> Synaptic is easier
[04:39] <kevogod> f|bber: Synaptic is a front-end for apt.
[04:39] <h17m4n> yeah
[04:39] <kevogod> So it essentially is still apt.
[04:40] <kevogod> RedHat Network Updater program thing sucks to be frank.
[04:44] <nlogax> f|bber I went from FC3 to Ubuntu and haven't looked back...  FC seems to me to be all over the place.  Ubuntu feels much more together </fuzzy>
[04:44] <Ng> kevogod: so use apt
[04:44] <Seveas> h17m4n, improved?
[04:45] <Seveas> I'd like to see that, so I cna change mine
[04:45] <kemik> !frequency
[04:45] <ubotu> kemik: Wish i knew
[04:45] <kemik> !hertz
[04:45] <ubotu> kemik: No idea
[04:46] <LinuxJones> kemik, resolution
[04:46] <kemik> !resolution
[04:46] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:46] <kemik> ty
[04:46] <LinuxJones> :)
[04:47] <afaik> hello
[04:47] <afaik> how can I enable DMA for my cd-writer?
[04:48] <afaik> well?
[04:48] <LinuxJones> afaik, usually hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[04:49] <apokryphos> !dma
[04:49] <nlogax> !hdparm
[04:49] <ubotu> nlogax: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:49] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell afaik about dma
[04:49] <Gnonthgol> ! dma
[04:49] <fredforfaen> !dma
[04:50] <Gnonthgol> ubotu: dma
[04:51] [Gnonthgol(n=knut@ti400720a081-6542.bb.online.no)]  help
[04:51] [Gnonthgol(n=knut@ti400720a081-6542.bb.online.no)]  info
[04:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tommorello
[04:52] <ubotu> Carpe_Libertatem: I give up, what is it?
[04:52] <slimer03> whereis vmwareesd
[04:53] <afaik> LinuxJones, ugh... anyway to undo that... IT BROKE IT!
[04:53] <afaik> nm, it works now
[04:54] <Gnonthgol> !info vmwareesd
[04:55] <afaik> !info warez
[04:55] <slimer03> Gnonthgol, whereis
[04:58] <Gnonthgol> Anyone got a Sound Blaster Live! work with horry?
[04:58] <nightswim> is hoary 5.04?
[04:59] <nightswim> if so
[04:59] <mypapit> nightswim: yes
[04:59] <Gnonthgol> yes
[04:59] <nightswim> "yes"
[04:59] <QMario> What does this mean 'Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:'?
[04:59] <Gnonthgol> nightswim: any problems?
[04:59] <Carpe_Libertatem> Gnonthgol: Does Hoary detect your card, and you just can't hear it?
[05:00] <nightswim> no
[05:00] <nightswim> not really
[05:00] <LinuxJones> Gnonthgol, did you unmute and set volume settings correctly ?
[05:00] <Gnonthgol> Carpe_Libertatem: my sound card is compleatly dissapeard from the kernel, not detected in install
[05:02] <CarlFK> is the kernel that hoary installs stock, or are there patches applied?
[05:02] <LinuxJones> CarlFK, it's patched
[05:02] <CarlFK> where can I find a list of patches?
[05:02] <CarlFK> er, the list
[05:03] <slimer03> vmwareesd....
[05:04] <Gnonthgol> nightswim: did you upgrade or install?
[05:04] <nightswim> install
[05:05] <LinuxJones> CarlFK, from ubuntuforums >>  Look in the source package apt-get source linux-2.6.x.x or read the changelog /usr/share/doc/linux-image-`uname -r`/changelog.Debian.gz
[05:06] <Gnonthgol> nightswim: Live! EMU10k1?
[05:06] <CarlFK> LinuxJones - thankis
[05:06] <Ng> Gnonthgol: I have a Live! (so emu10k1) and it was detected fine
[05:06] <Ng> Gnonthgol: do you know exactly which model of Live you have?
[05:07] <osfameron> !java
[05:07] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:07] <Ng> Gnonthgol: and does it show up in the output of "lspci"?
[05:07] <Blissex> some SB Live! are not supported by the emu10k1 driver, but the ca106 one
[05:07] <h17m4n> would using the amd64-k8 kernel give me an advantage over amd64-generic
[05:07] <h17m4n> on a athlon 64 that is
[05:08] <Ng> Blissex: which ones?
[05:08] <Gnonthgol> 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[05:08] <Blissex> Ng: the Live! 24 range for example.
[05:08] <Ng> Gnonthgol: hmm, I would expect that to work really
[05:09] <Gnonthgol> Ng: It worked in 4.10
[05:09] <CarlFK> what is the command to view a .gz file? (not gunzip;less... there is one command that will read the gz, decompress to memory and display
[05:09] <nerdy2> gzip -d
[05:09] <nerdy2> you want it paged though?  zless
[05:10] <CarlFK> zless is what I was looking for
[05:10] <CarlFK> wont gzip -d create a decompressed file?
[05:10] <Gnonthgol> yes
[05:10] <nerdy2> yea i meant gzip -dc
[05:11] <lJlolel> check it, somebody told me gnome 2.12 had a Mac-style launcher where the buttons get bigger when  you scroll over, i have gnome 2.12, how do i set that up?
[05:11] <Ng> ?!
[05:11] <Ng> I think they're wrong
[05:11] <QMario> Hello ChaKy!!! :)
[05:11] <Ng> I sincerely hope they are at least
[05:12] <Gnonthgol> lJlolel: then somebody did not use the ubuntu theame
[05:12] <lJlolel> Gnonthgol, oh
[05:12] <Ng> enlightenment 0.17 has that kind of mac nonsense, but gnome has resisted too much of the flashy stuff so far
[05:13] <Benjamin_L> the mac launcher isn't really that useful with the icons getting bigger
[05:13] <QMario> I have problems with Java. Is there an IDE I can use to run my .class programs?
[05:13] <nightswim> eclipse
[05:13] <zblach> nlogax, i've tried everything i can, and nothing has worked
[05:14] <QMario> BlueJ uses Java to install its program.
[05:14] <josh_> quick question (I don't have a Ubuntu system, helping someone who does): what's the path to the SSH server init script?
[05:14] <QMario> Why would I use that?
[05:14] <lJlolel> so what do they actually add in new gnomes?
[05:14] <Gnonthgol> !java
[05:14] <ubotu> I heard java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:14] <Ng> josh_: init scripts almost always live in /etc/init.d/
[05:14] <QMario> Is JCreator free?
[05:14] <josh_> Ng: thanks
[05:14] <Ng> josh_: so in this case, /etc/init.d/ssh
[05:14] <QMario> Gnonthgol, I have already install Java using that help page.
[05:15] <QMario> Java can compile, but refuses to run.
[05:15] <QMario> This is ridiculous.
[05:15] <QMario>  Gnonthgol? 
[05:17] <kemik> QMario:  what's the error ?
[05:17] <nlogax> josh_ /etc/init.d/ssh
[05:18] <QMario> Kemik, java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError
[05:18] <QMario> I have to paste the rest.
[05:18] <QMario> Hold on... :-/
[05:19] <QMario> Kemik, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1928
[05:20] <QMario> Hello yonkeltron!!! :)
[05:21] <theeil> i just installed ubuntu onto a hard drive that i want to move onto another computer, will this be OK? (i'm concerned about things like the sound card because i heard ubuntu removerd parts of alsa)
[05:21] <projectmayhem> hey guys!
[05:21] <osfameron> with smeg, is there a way to put Applications->System Tools into System->Administration (as this makes sense to me :-)
[05:21] <the4bagger> hey LinuxJones, im back
[05:21] <LinuxJones> theeil, you might need to re-install
[05:21] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, how did you make out ?
[05:22] <LinuxJones> projectmayhem, welcome
[05:22] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, i fixed the grub loader to my liking, but I could not find any refresh rates in the xorg.conf file so I didnt mess with it
[05:22] <projectmayhem> can anyone help me get some sound out of my soundblaster audigy 2 card? i have emu10k1 installed, and i'm pretty sure its just having the wrong alsamixer settings but i'm not positive...
[05:22] <Dogtix> anyone here using libata with a cheap pci raid card for software raid5 ?
[05:22] <theeil> LinuxJones: the thing is that the computer i want it on has problems that make it hang during the install
[05:23] <QMario>  Kemik?  :-/
[05:23] <projectmayhem> hehe and yes, my speakers are on :-D
[05:24] <zblach> hi
[05:24] <zblach> nlogax, you here?
[05:24] <seife> fuck ubuntu
[05:24] <zblach> actually, anyone can answer this question.
[05:25] <zblach> seife
[05:25] <dazjorz> wtf... I'm not banned anymore! Thanks, for the one who unbanned me!
[05:25] <zblach> can you do me a favor?
[05:25] <LinuxJones> theeil, try resetting your systems bios to default. Maybe some settings in there are mis-set
[05:25] <kevogod>  la la la 
[05:25] <dazjorz> Someone who can tell me how to install the Java SDK ?
[05:25] <seife> zblach: ?
[05:25] <thrice`> !java
[05:25] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:25] <QMario> !Java
[05:25] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:25] <dazjorz> Not the Java interpreter, the SDK !
[05:25] <zblach> seife, open a comman prompt, and type 'sudo -l'
[05:25] <dazjorz> it's something else
[05:25] <thrice`> !SDK
[05:25] <dazjorz> like, the java compiler (javac) and other programs
[05:25] <ubotu> thrice`: Are you smoking crack?
[05:25] <osfameron> with smeg, is there a way to put Applications->System Tools into System->Administration ?
[05:25] <f|bber> nlogax, Yeah Im seriously thinking of switching, I assume ubuntu uses rpms/equivalent (deb?) etc, how have you found support for hardware with ubuntu e.g Wireless adapters ?
[05:25] <zblach> i just want to know what its supposed to say
[05:25] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, Perhaps I can add a few lines to my xorg.conf file for my monitor?
[05:26] <thrice`> worth a try =] 
[05:26] <dazjorz> thrice`: doesn't exist...
[05:26] <dazjorz> hehe yeh
[05:26] <dazjorz> I can try to build the Java package, see what it does
[05:26] <seife> zblach im not on ubunu, couldnt even join into the ubuntu drive
[05:26] <zblach> oh...
[05:26] <seife> it said HDD error
[05:26] <candlelight> dazjorz, the wiki does contains instruction to install sdk, read it first.
[05:26] <zblach> alright
[05:26] <seife> sigh
[05:26] <seife> fucking shit
[05:26] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you can use the config tool to create a new one but first you have to make a few changes
[05:27] <QMario> Seife, language....
[05:27] <LinuxJones> seife, language please
[05:27] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, my horizontal rate is 24-82KHZ, my vertical is 50-85HZ
[05:27] <zblach> anyone here running a clean ubuntu install?
[05:27] <dazjorz> candlelight: oh really ? OK, I'll search it. I'm currently trying a page that tells me how to get .debs from .bins
[05:27] <f|bber> nlogax, ^^^
[05:27] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, what changes would I have to make?
[05:27] <zblach> can someone post the output of 'sudo -l'?
[05:28] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, read the top of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file about 10 lines down
[05:28] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, follow those instructions then let me know when your done
[05:28] <f|bber> Anyone here a convert from FC3/4?
[05:29] <QMario> Kemik?
[05:29] <zblach> f|bber, its safe to say that most of us are using ubuntu
[05:29] <QMario> Is nobody here?
[05:29] <zblach> QMario, what's up?
[05:29] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I compared the ubuntu xorg.conf file with the live knoppix one and they are very different
[05:29] <f|bber> zblach, from FC to Ubuntu
[05:29] <zblach> f|bber, oh. eheh...
[05:29] <QMario> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1928
[05:30] <TrekCycling> Has anyone here gotten WPA wireless running with ubuntu
[05:30] <kevogod> I am a convert from <insert Linux name>.
[05:30] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes, just follow the commands and we will try to get you up and running quickly
[05:30] <QMario> ZBlach, Java can compile, but refuses to run.
[05:30] <QMario> This is ridiculous.
[05:30] <zblach> truly, it is
[05:30] <Gnonthgol> I try to run blackbox on a computer using the standard server install of horry but it can not connect to the X server
[05:30] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, is there any software for windows that can read linux partitions so i dont have to keep rebooting?
[05:30] <zblach> QMario, lets try something.
[05:31] <zblach> open up a terminal, and type sudo -l
[05:31] <QMario> User qmario may run the following commands on this host:
[05:31] <QMario>     (ALL) ALL
[05:31] <Ng> by default it should say "(ALL) ALL" for your user
[05:31] <Gnonthgol> !winext2
[05:31] <ubotu> [winext2]  http://www.fs-driver.org/
[05:31] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, >> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[05:32] <QMario> Zblach?
[05:32] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, it only does ext2/3 not reiser or any other
[05:32] <f|bber> whats the support for wireless adapters like in Ubuntu, I had to use NDISWrapper on another distro
[05:33] <TrekCycling> I'm trying to get WPA going so I'd like to know also
[05:33] <dazjorz> candlelight: I can't find anything about installing the SDK...
[05:33] <zdennis> f|bber, it picked up the Intel PRO 2200BG stuff for me right away on my laptop
[05:33] <zdennis> f|bber, but i didn't test it with WEP
[05:33] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, eeerr, it might be reiser...are there any that can read that?
[05:34] <QMario> Hello Zdennis!!! :)
[05:34] <zdennis> hey QMario!
[05:34] <Gnonthgol> I try to run blackbox on a computer using the standard server install of horry but it can not connect to the X server. Any help?
[05:34] <zdennis> you ever get java going?
[05:34] <QMario> I still have that Java problem. :'(
[05:34] <zdennis> QMario, how did you install java?
[05:34] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, I don't think so, regardless once you make those changes run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg set your monitors refresh rates with resolution settings and select vesa as the video card driver and you should be ok
[05:34] <zdennis> apt-get install what?
[05:35] <QMario> Here are the errors: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1928
[05:35] <dazjorz> how to install libc6.2.2 ?
[05:35] <QMario> SableVM version 1.1.8
[05:35] <QMario> Zdennis, !Java.
[05:35] <QMario> !Java
[05:35] <ubotu> java is, like, totally, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:35] <candlelight> dazjorz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show&redirect=Java15
[05:35] <QMario> Using that URL.
[05:36] <slimer03> vmware5 support direct 3d
[05:36] <f|bber> Anyone had a ny joy with a Linksys WMP54GS wireless adapter?
[05:36] <QMario> The one Ubotu said.
[05:36] <slimer03> ?
[05:36] <Gnonthgol> ubotu: what is java?
[05:36] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Gnonthgol
[05:36] <Gnonthgol> lol
[05:37] <adriyel_prodigy> leave the poor bot alone
[05:37] <candlelight> dazjorz, select jdk instead of jre in synaptic
[05:37] <theeil> !synapyic
[05:37] <ubotu> theeil: Are you on ritalin?
[05:37] <QMario> !apt
[05:37] <ubotu> [apt]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[05:38] <dazjorz> candlelight: k
[05:38] <dazjorz> !find jkd
[05:38] <dazjorz> !find jdk
[05:38] <projectmayhem> can anyone help me get some sound out of my soundblaster audigy 2 card? i have emu10k1 installed, and i'm pretty sure its just having the wrong alsamixer settings but i'm not positive.
[05:38] <zdennis> QMario...
[05:38] <QMario> Zdennis?
[05:39] <zdennis> do a  "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun"
[05:39] <zdennis> then do a export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[05:39] <QMario> Sudo or normal me?
[05:39] <QMario> Hello Ompaul!!! :)
[05:39] <ompaul> QMario, hi
[05:39] <zdennis> normal you
[05:39] <zdennis> should be fine
[05:40] <QMario> Should I then restart anything?
[05:40] <zdennis> no
[05:40] <slimer03> vmware support direct 3d?
[05:40] <Gobbla> the best ftp client for linux?
[05:40] <zdennis> that will set those variables temporarily for you, in the Terminal session you did that in
[05:40] <zdennis> in that same Terminal session
[05:40] <adriyel_prodigy> slimer, no, not really
[05:40] <zdennis> try to run your java program
[05:40] <adriyel_prodigy> not for what you prolly want it for
[05:41] <ompaul> Gobbla, commant line, or gftp
[05:41] <theeil> Gobbla: ftp ;)
[05:41] <slimer03> hmm.
[05:41] <QMario> Zdennis: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: /home/qmario/Java Programs/HelloWorld
[05:41] <zdennis> QMario, that is a better error
[05:41] <zdennis> QMario, you are at least loading Java
[05:42] <Gobbla> ok
[05:42] <QMario> Zdennis, I am in the JAVA_HOME running the program, not anywhere else.
[05:42] <zdennis> go to the directory that your java program is in
[05:42] <zdennis> the HelloWorld
[05:42] <QMario> Same error.
[05:42] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, it seems that that program has a invalid download source, is there a different mirror?
[05:43] <zdennis> Qmario, pwd = /home/qmario/Java Programs/      ?
[05:43] <QMario> What is "pwd"?
[05:43] <zdennis> present working directory
[05:43] <QMario> Yes.
[05:43] <QMario> It is.
[05:43] <zdennis> do a 'ls'
[05:43] <zdennis> you see HelloWorld.java and HelloWorld.class ?
[05:43] <NoKiO> c' qualcuno italiano?
[05:43] <Quinthius> actually "print working directory" ;)
[05:44] <theeil> i want to setup "those restricted formats" but the link to the script is down
[05:44] <zdennis> I stand corrected =)
[05:44] <QMario> HelloWorld.class  HelloWorld.java  HelloWorld.java~
[05:45] <ompaul> info coreutils pwd <-- both are correct :)
[05:45] <projectmayhem> <3 <3 <3 java!! only language i can program anything in :-/
[05:45] <QMario> What is the difference between "dir" and "ls"?
[05:45] <ompaul> sorry
[05:45] <projectmayhem> dir is for dos, ls is for unix as far as i know
[05:45] <zdennis> QMario...this is strange...i just same setup and it worked...
[05:45] <osfameron> QMario: I always thought dir was just an alias for dos-refugees
[05:45] <osfameron> though it doesn't seem to do colour highlighting
[05:45] <ompaul> actually its print current/working directory :) on the man page
[05:45] <zdennis> QMario, dir is usually an alias set up in your .bashrc file
[05:46] <nlogax> f|bber - it uses .debs.  I think its wireless support is good too (but I've not used wireless before so couldn't compare with FC)
[05:46] <QMario> Zdennis, what is your version of Java?
[05:46] <zdennis> QMario...what is the command you are runninig to run HelloWorld?   "java HelloWorld" ?
[05:46] <nlogax> f|bber perhaps try the Ubuntu LiveCD and see if wireless works off the bat
[05:47] <zdennis> QMario, 1.5
[05:47] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[05:47] <QMario> Zdennis, yes.
[05:47] <QMario> Zdennis, mine is: SableVM version 1.1.8
[05:47] <TrekCycling> wireless works off the bat with the Ubuntu Live CD, but WPA doesn't
[05:47] <the4bagger> does anybody have a working mirror for Explore2fs
[05:47] <zdennis> QMario, sable ? wtf is that?
[05:47] <zdennis> QMario...do a "apt-cache search j2sdk1.5"
[05:47] <TrekCycling> makes me wonder if WPA is worth the trouble at a certain point
[05:47] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I didnt reboot to view those first 10 lines in the file yet
[05:48] <zdennis> and tell me if you get "sun-j2sdk1.5 - Java(TM) 2 SDK...."  as an option
[05:48] <kemik> !java
[05:48] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:48] <QMario> I do.
[05:48] <dazjorz> kemik: I said java 2 sdk 1.3, not java interpreter.
[05:48] <zdennis> uninstall your version of java
[05:48] <candlelight> QMario, that's a Java specific error.  It can't find you main(), either your HelloWorld is in a package, which you must obey with the corresponding directory structure, or you don't have a main().
[05:48] <kemik> dazjorz:  it'll install the sdk too
[05:48] <zdennis> and run "sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5"
[05:48] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok
[05:48] <dazjorz> kemik: not the java compiler etc
[05:48] <zdennis> try candlelight's suggestion first
[05:49] <f|bber> TrekCycling, may I ask what wireless card you use?
[05:49] <TrekCycling> ipw2200
[05:49] <kemik> hmm. it's been changed
[05:49] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, the Explore2fs site you gave me appears to have a invalid download source
[05:49] <QMario> How do I uninstall my version of Java?
[05:49] <zdennis> QMario...paste the contents of your HellolWorld file first
[05:49] <dazjorz> haha
[05:49] <zdennis> then we'll tellyou =)
[05:49] <dahdjordge> <-- this is how you speak it
[05:50] <kemik> no, actually htat java link tells you how to install the JDK too
[05:50] <QMario> Can I do it here?
[05:50] <QMario> It is only four lines.
[05:50] <zdennis> QMario...
[05:50] <kemik> QMario:  use pastebin
[05:50] <QMario> Okay, I won't.
[05:50] <zdennis> public class HelloWorld{
[05:50] <zdennis> public static void main( String[]  args ){
[05:50] <zdennis>         System.out.println( "Hello World" );
[05:50] <zdennis> }
[05:50] <zdennis> }
[05:51] <kemik> zdennis:  pastebin
[05:51] <zdennis> oops...i thought that the url
[05:51] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, can you DCC send me the latest Explore2fs?
[05:51] <dazjorz> zdennis: Java ?
[05:51] <dazjorz> zdennis: great, i'm learning it atm.
[05:51] <kemik> yes that's java
[05:51] <zdennis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/zXM2t481.html
[05:51] <fsmw> hi
[05:51] <zdennis> QMario...is that what yours looks like?
[05:51] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, >> http://freshmeat.net/redir/explore2fs/2480/url_zip/explore2fs-1.07.zip
[05:52] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, I don't have any windows machines
[05:52] <QMario> http://rafb.net/paste/results/7zXfYv42.html
[05:52] <QMario> Take a look and see.
[05:52] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, oh :)
[05:52] <kemik> freaky placing of the } ;) not that it matters
[05:52] <fsmw> i got some issues with xorg on breezy, and googling don't solve it, i guess an error with may keyboard layout, No symbols named "la" in the inculde file "la"
[05:52] <kemik> QMario:  have you named your file "HelloWorld.java" ?
[05:52] <dazjorz> how do I explore the contents of a deb package that that's in apt-get ? I don't have it yet.
[05:53] <fsmw> and i can't configure my latin american keyboard
[05:53] <dazjorz> can I do like apt-contents (package name) ? or apt-get contents (package name) ?
[05:53] <QMario> Kemik, yes.
[05:53] <thrice`> dazjorz, man apt-get and find out =] 
[05:53] <kemik> QMario:  what error do  you get when compiling it then ?
[05:53] <QMario> Kemik, none.
[05:54] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, thanks for the link, its working now...once its done I will read those lines
[05:54] <kemik> so, what's the problem ? is there a problem ?
[05:54] <QMario> Kemik, the problem is running the program.
[05:54] <pawdro> what's the latest version of breezy?
[05:54] <pawdro> hello;] 
[05:54] <kemik> "alias dir=logout" ;)
[05:55] <kemik> QMario:  so what's the error when trying to run it?
[05:55] <Gnonthgol> pawdro: 5.10
[05:55] <QMario> -
[05:55] <QMario> Hold on...
[05:55] <zdennis> kemik, NoClassFoundError
[05:55] <zdennis> it can't find HelloWorld
[05:55] <QMario> Kemik, that's it.
[05:55] <pawdro> but colony ...?
[05:55] <pawdro> how much
[05:55] <dazjorz> thrice`: whow, thanks a lot -_-"
[05:55] <pawdro> how many*
[05:55] <kemik> "java HelloWorld" ?
[05:56] <QMario> java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError
[05:56] <pawdro> colony 4? is it?
[05:56] <zdennis> dazjorz, what do you want to know about your package?
[05:56] <LinuxJones> QMario, why not just use python it's 10 times easier to learn :)
[05:57] <zdennis> QMario, are you in the same terminal session that you set your JAVA_HOME and PATH variables in?
[05:57] <kemik> LinuxJones:  doesnt really matter, once you've learnt one language, picking up another one isnt hard
[05:57] <zdennis> if you are in a different one, then you'll get that error from earlier again
[05:57] <jaramillo> hi there guys, how do i disable that ugly PC speaker sound ?
[05:57] <dazjorz> zdennis: the contents. I want to know if j2sdk1.5 also has a javac binary inside it
[05:57] <zdennis> that is why i say uninstall the version of java you have, and install the new one
[05:57] <zdennis> dazjorz, it does
[05:57] <LinuxJones> kemik, well python is installed by default and works well.
[05:58] <dazjorz> zdennis: thanks
[05:58] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you can't do that from windows
[05:58] <zdennis> QMario, when you installed the sable version of java, did you do a "apt-get install ...." or did you download a file, and do a "dpkg -i ..." ?
[05:58] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I know, but what should I do, just do those commands?
[05:59] <lynx_nhb> Hello all
[05:59] <QMario> Zdennis, apt-get.
[05:59] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes but you have to do them from within ubuntu
[05:59] <the4bagger> yes, i know
[05:59] <the4bagger> alright, ill try it out then
[05:59] <zdennis> QMario, what command did you run... what was the full command....?
[06:00] <zdennis> apt-get install <what?>
[06:00] <QMario> Zdennis, synaptic. Free-sdk-"something".
[06:00] <QMario> Sorry, I used the package manager.
[06:00] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, write them down or print them off. Boot to Ubuntu make the changes, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg accept most of the defaults except monitor refresh, sync and resolution settings finally select vesa as the videocard driver.
[06:00] <zdennis> QMario, do a apt-cache search Free-sdk
[06:00] <zdennis> and see what shows up
[06:00] <zdennis> we need that package name
[06:00] <lynx_nhb> I have a Smartlink SL1900 PCI modem and cannot get the drivers to 'make' right for 'make install' command.
[06:00] <zdennis> so we can uninstall it
[06:01] <QMario> free-java-sdk
[06:01] <QMario> find free-java-sdk
[06:01] <zdennis> QMario, do a "sudo apt-get remote free-java-sdk"
[06:01] <kemik> lynx_nhb:  post the error on pastebin or similar
[06:01] <zdennis> bah
[06:01] <QMario> !find free-java-sdk
[06:01] <zdennis> QMario, do a "sudo apt-get remove free-java-sdk"
[06:01] <ubotu> free-java-sdk: (Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 0.4-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
[06:02] <zdennis> when that is done run...
[06:02] <QMario> I already removed it using synapic package manager.
[06:02] <dazjorz> how to restart the sound server ?
[06:02] <QMario> Run where? ;)
[06:02] <lynx_nhb> I cannot 'post' I'm in WinXP and Ubuntu is in another partition.
[06:02] <zdennis> "sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5"
[06:02] <zdennis> QMario, in a terminal window
[06:02] <zdennis> i dont know how-to use the Synaptic GUI
[06:02] <zdennis> =(
[06:03] <Dingy> is there a way to disable trash in gnome?
[06:03] <lynx_nhb> Basically it cannot connect to the kernel souce.
[06:03] <Maikeru> hmm
[06:03] <Maikeru> whee
[06:03] <Maikeru> time to crack the WEP key on my network
[06:03] <Maikeru> this should be fun
[06:03] <jack-> does anyone know if there's a binary that can tell me the current mousepointer location?
[06:03] <QMario> Zdennis, really?
[06:04] <zdennis> about running the command, or about using the Synaptic GUI?
[06:04] <jack-> would love to have xscreensaver enabled/disabled by certain corners..
[06:04] <QMario> GUI.
[06:04] <zdennis> QMario, i have never opened it once
[06:04] <kemik> lynx_nhb:  well something along "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)"
[06:05] <kemik> !linux-source
[06:05] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, kemik
[06:05] <kemik> !kernel-headers
[06:05] <ubotu> kemik: I give up, what is it?
[06:05] <QMario> Zdennis, the sun-j2sdk1.5 is already installed for me.
[06:05] <lynx_nhb> I look at the device list in Ubunto and it shows th modem.  I need to connect it to /dev/modem.  Any Ideas?
[06:05] <QMario> !Ubuntu
[06:05] <ubotu> ubuntu is probably an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:05] <zdennis> QMario, ok
[06:05] <zblach> !noobuntu
[06:05] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, zblach
[06:05] <QMario> !Java
[06:05] <ubotu> java is, like, totally, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:06] <zdennis> QMario, try to recompile and rerun your script
[06:06] <lynx_nhb> kemik: I cannot connect to the internet in Ubunto, that's why I'm rinning WinXP right now.
[06:07] <QMario> java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError
[06:07] <funkyHat> is there an escape code so i can send F10 to the terminal, rather than it opening the menu in the terminal window?
[06:07] <{cYanide}> hey er, i cant seem to get 2 apps playing sound to work correctly, im using xmms, and when i try another program that uses sound (plays an ogg) it wont play, and vice versa, depending on what i start first, i cant seem to get it working
[06:08] <QMario> Zdennis, I still have this "SableVM version 1.1.8" as my version.
[06:08] <lynx_nhb> kemik: Ubuntu sees modem in device manager but It cannot setup the net and drivers donnot work.
[06:08] <kemik> lynx_nhb:  mm keep forgetting apt-get requires internet ;) ... well you need to get them somehow.. not sure they're on the cd
[06:08] <LinuxJones> {cYanide}, you need to get alsa working
[06:08] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, what output plugin are you using in xmms? (have a look in preferences > output plugin)
[06:08] <{cYanide}> im using alsa in xmms
[06:08] <funkyHat> yeah... you need to do what he said ^
[06:09] <kbreit> How do I get Ubuntu to start XFCE instead of GNOME?
[06:09] <funkyHat> ok in that case you need to set up software mixing for alsa {cYanide}
[06:09] <{cYanide}> btw, in my mm selector
[06:09] <{cYanide}> i have alsa as default sink, and esd as default source, is that wrong?
[06:09] <funkyHat> kbreit, click sessions on the login screen, and choose the window manager you want
[06:09] <zdennis> QMario...do a "apt-get remote sun-j2sdk1.5"
[06:10] <Orby> could someone point me to where i can find libc6-dev, i havnt any internet on the box i'm trying to finish but i need libc6-dev and i cant find it :|
[06:10] <zdennis> QMario, we need to get all instances of java away from your machine
[06:10] <kbreit> funkyHat, Oh cool, thanks.
[06:10] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, that setup is fine
[06:10] <zdennis> so we reinstall with a clean slate
[06:10] <theeil> kbreit: you are using gdm?
[06:10] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, are you happy with compiling?
[06:10] <bob2> Orby: archive.u.c/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[06:11] <{cYanide}> ok , software mixing you say? cuz cd player works while xmms is running, its just some apps that wrong
[06:11] <{cYanide}> er wont
[06:11] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, to fix the problem you can either set up the DMIX plugin for alsa, or upgrade to alsa 1.0.9b, which has it built in by default
[06:11] <bob2> Orby: if you have to ask tho, you want to be very careful, lest you break your system
[06:11] <Orby> bob2: thank you very much! i been looking for ages :P
[06:11] <lynx_nhb> kemik: how do I get the kernel through XP?  I can then maybe force the reinstall.
[06:11] <bob2> "cd player" plays through a wire connecting your sound card to the cd drive
[06:11] <bob2> and "cuz" is not a word
[06:11] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, oh right, in that case, are those apps using alsa? or esd?
[06:11] <zdennis> QMario...also run... "dpkg -l | grep sable"
[06:11] <zdennis> you will probably get a few "libsable..." packages
[06:11] <zdennis> do an apt-get remove on those to
[06:12] <{cYanide}> er no idea
[06:12] <linuxboy> hi
[06:12] <linuxboy> how do I do pppoe with ubuntu? and urls?
[06:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Hey look, it's linux boy.
[06:12] <QMario> Okay.
[06:12] <bob2> linuxboy: "urls"?
[06:12] <bob2> linuxboy: sudo pppoeconf
[06:12] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, look at what bob2 said about 'cd player'
[06:13] <kushboy> Hello! The top bar of items (Applications, places, system) of Gnome was moved to the top right of the screen. I want top left, any way to change it back?
[06:13] <linuxboy> bob2: you know, like links, howtos etc. I can read you know :)
[06:13] <bob2> kushboy: same way you moved it in the first place
[06:14] <bob2> kushboy: middle click on a blank portion and drag it
[06:14] <zblach> question about gnome. is it possible to have a background stretched over all virtual desktops?
[06:14] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, get alsa-driver 1.0.9b and alsa-lib 1.0.9b from the official alsa site, and compile and install them both
[06:15] <bob2> linuxboy: I don't know what "and urls?" means
[06:15] <{cYanide}> er just tested, i can run xmms twice and they can both play at the same time
[06:15] <bob2> linuxboy: do you mean "where can I find documentation for ubuntu on-line?"?
[06:15] <linuxboy> bob2, no I meant. Help me, or point me somewhere
[06:16] <bob2> kushboy: so, no need to /msg me, ever
[06:16] <QMario> Zdennis, should I then reinstall?
[06:16] <kushboy> sorry, don't know how to use irc
[06:16] <zdennis> yeah, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[06:16] <zdennis> make sure you can't do a "java -version"
[06:16] <bob2> kushboy: the bit of my anser you're ignoring is "blank portion".  if you don't have a blank portion, remove an applet and use that area.
[06:16] <bob2> linuxboy: sudo pppoeconf
[06:16] <kushboy> alright, thank you
[06:16] <thrice`> bob2, do you consider preview to be stable ?
[06:16] <funkyHat> {cYanide}, which apps don't work at the same time as xmms?
[06:17] <bob2> thrice`: does the preview exist?
[06:17] <{cYanide}> like in sounds
[06:17] <thrice`> bob2, isn't breezy preview coming soon ?
[06:17] <{cYanide}> if i try and play a sound it wont
[06:17] <Lordphyn> Can anyone point me to a good Samba troubleshooting guide?--I'm getting a timeout error
[06:17] <{cYanide}> system,prefs,sounds
[06:17] <bob2> thrice`: I'd try it when it came out, yes
[06:17] <{cYanide}> while xmms is running
[06:17] <bob2> Lordphyn: that doesn't sound like a samba problem at all
[06:17] <thrice`> bob2, ok; just curious, as I haven't seen fglrx added to breezy yet =|
[06:18] <lynx_nhb> Where do I get kernel 2.6.10-5-386?
[06:18] <bob2> lynx_nhb: from your local ubuntu mirror...
[06:18] <QMario> It works well!!!! Thank GOD!!! Thank GOD!!! Thank GOD!!! Thank GOD!!! Thank GOD!!!
[06:18] <QMario> Thank you zdennis!!! :)
[06:18] <QMario> /me is happy!!!
[06:18] <bob2> thrice`: meh
[06:18] <Lordphyn> bob2: hmm, I can ssh to the machine fine - though I was messing with some tunnelling stuff before, dont quite remember what I did?
[06:18] <zdennis> glad it worked!
[06:18] <bob2> it's in l-r-m
[06:18] <bob2> Lordphyn: well, there you go
[06:18] <zdennis> now, i need help
[06:18] <zdennis> =)
[06:19] <zblach> how 'bout networking. anyone good at that?
[06:19] <bob2> so
[06:19] <zdennis> How can i get my mouse scroll wheel to work?
[06:19] <bob2> it's utterly annoying when people do that
[06:19] <bob2> instead of just asking their question
[06:19] <zdennis> I have the sweet wireless Logitech keyboard/mouse combo
[06:19] <bob2> because it wastes everyone's time reading their question
[06:19] <bob2> then reliaisng it's a useless question
[06:19] <zblach> zdennis, mine's better
[06:19] <zdennis> but i can't use my scrollwheel!
[06:19] <QMario> Zdennis, but you need to learn how to use Synaptic. ;) It is fun and easy to use.
[06:19] <bob2> then wasting time explaining that it's useless
[06:19] <bob2> etc
[06:20] <zdennis> QMario, i have added it to my list of things to learn
[06:20] <zdennis> =)
[06:20] <zblach> how to view other computers on a network?
[06:20] <kushboy> My SB audigy produces no sound only in Ubuntu.  I have SB Audigy in my volume control, alsamixer still says "Intel ICH5". Any help?
[06:20] <bob2> zblach: you mean "How can I get a GUI list of windows shares on my network?"?
[06:20] <zblach> bob2, that'd be a start.
[06:20] <bob2> kushboy: disable your crappy on-board sound in the bios
[06:20] <{cYanide}> so i think my app that wont work while xmms is running uses esd
[06:21] <kushboy> k
[06:21] <bob2> zblach: places -> network servers
[06:21] <zblach> thats the problem. i see nothing in there
[06:21] <zblach> i'm seen by the other computers, but i can't see them
[06:21] <lynx_nhb> All I see is the CD images.  I need the kernel pkg.
[06:22] <bob2> lynx_nhb: so, why don't you tell us why you're not using apt?
[06:23] <trygvebw> Hi! Anyone else have a problem with displaying icons in Nautilus in Breezy? Only the failsafe/default icons are displayed.
[06:23] <bob2> there's nothing in the BTS?
[06:24] <trygvebw> bug tracking system?
[06:24] <bur[n] er> trygvebw: change your icon them?
[06:24] <bur[n] er> theme
[06:24] <bur[n] er> mine works
[06:24] <trygvebw> bur[n] er: i've tried lots of times. doesn't fix anything :/
[06:24] <funkyHat> is there an escape code so i can send F10 to the terminal, rather than it opening the menu in the terminal window?
[06:24] <bob2> you need to mention what terminal you're using...
[06:24] <bob2> trygvebw: yes
[06:24] <funkyHat> gnome-terminal
[06:25] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, im back
[06:25] <trygvebw> bob2: i'll take a look there
[06:25] <funkyHat> i'm trying to use aptitude over ssh
[06:25] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[06:25] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, i did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command, but now i am getting a mouse error
[06:25] <pirast> !encrypt filesystem
[06:25] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, pirast
[06:26] <pirast> !encrypt
[06:26] <ubotu> Not a clue, pirast
[06:26] <lynx_nhb> bob2: It don't work in XP.  I cannot get my modem to work without the kernel source.
[06:26] <pirast> !decrypt filesystem
[06:26] <ubotu> pirast: What?
[06:26] <funkyHat> pirast, /msg
[06:26] <pirast> k ;-)
[06:26] <funkyHat> ;)
[06:26] <bob2> lynx_nhb: that's fairly unlikely
[06:27] <bob2> lynx_nhb: more likely you need the kerenal headers
[06:27] <lynx_nhb> bob2: something, the modem drivers need something from the kernel source, i don't have.
[06:28] <bob2> lynx_nhb: then install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:28] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok you have a usb mouse ?
[06:28] <bob2> problems are much easier to solve if you explain them here, instead of asking small fragments of questions
[06:28] <lynx_nhb> bob2? where do i get them?
[06:28] <Orby> ummm is there a special way of compiling a kernel under ubuntu or can i just do what i would normally do with kernel source ?
[06:28] <the4bagger> I have a Logitech wireless combo...mouse connects via PS/2, keyboard via USB
[06:29] <bob2> Orby: why are you compiling a kernel?
[06:29] <theeil> hmn, my usb flash drive did not mount :S it does on my other computer running ubuntu
[06:29] <bob2> lynx_nhb: same place you get any other package...
[06:29] <Orby> bob2: because i need to add support for my network card
[06:29] <bob2> they're probably on the cd
[06:29] <soamv> hi, i'm using ubuntu on a laptop; while resuming after a hibernate, the pc speaker beeps 4 times; i'm trying to get rid of the beeps...
[06:29] <bob2> Orby: that's very unlikely to require recompiling the kernel
[06:29] <bob2> Orby: what card is it?
[06:29] <the4bagger> I compared the new xorg.conf file with the backup one and there are differences in the mouse setup
[06:29] <bob2> soamv: after hibernate or acpi sleep?
[06:29] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok run the command again and select the ps2 mouse from the list
[06:30] <Orby> bob2: ummm marvell yukon 88E8036 PCI-E
[06:30] <funkyHat> meh, i'll just have to disable it for gnome-terminal
[06:30] <soamv> hibernate from the logout menu
[06:30] <TrekCycling> anyone here use an ipw2200 wireless card with WPA?
[06:30] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, accept the rest of the default settings for eveyrthing else
[06:30] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, it made me go through a big setup when I did that command
[06:31] <bob2> Orby: and why do you think you need to recompile your kernel?
[06:31] <soamv> in /var/log/acpid, there is a message: Lock file present, not processing event
[06:31] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, so just press enter for everything else but the video?
[06:31] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes
[06:31] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, no everything else except the mouse
[06:32] <Orby> bob2: well i was looking for drivers and i found one, but it said i could add it to my source using a patch or compile a module, i tried to compile a module but it said the kernel source wasnt the same as the kernel i was running ( even though it is ) so i thought i would try the other way
[06:32] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, you'll need to select ps2 mouse or the model if it's available
[06:32] <lynx_nhb> bob2: is this the command?   install linux-headers-$ (uname -r)
[06:32] <the4bagger> ok, i guess ill go back and reconfigure...
[06:32] <bob2> Orby: no, you can't compile modules against random kernel sources you download from kernel.org
[06:32] <bob2> Orby: or even against the kernel sources from within ubuntu
[06:32] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, it's not normally this hard for most users :D
[06:33] <Orby> bob2: i'm running the same kernel as the source i have, they are both ubuntu ones
[06:33] <bob2> Orby: you, like lynx_nhb, need to compile it (if it is indeed not in the ubuntu kernel already) against the correct kernel headers
[06:33] <bob2> Orby: yes, you don't compile drivers against random kernel source trees
[06:33] <QMario> Does anyone think it is annoying when companies use letter in their phone numbers? :)
[06:33] <bob2> you need to compile it against the correct set of headers generated by the build of your exact kernel
[06:33] <Orby> bob2: i also have the kernel headers for the kernel i'm running
[06:34] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, will this be worth my time? lol
[06:34] <apokryphos> QMario: 0800-ireallylovecarpeting
[06:34] <bob2> Orby: then something went wrong with the compile
[06:34] <bob2> lynx_nhb: no, install is a verb
[06:34] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yes :)
[06:34] <Orby> bob2: thats why i thought i would roll my own kernel instead
[06:34] <lynx_nhb> bob2: How do I install it?
[06:34] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, ok, ill go try to reconfigure then hop back on
[06:34] <bob2> Orby: how would that help?
[06:35] <bob2> lynx_nhb: however you installed any other packages
[06:35] <bob2> just finding another way to connect to an ubuntu mirror is far easier
[06:35] <Orby> bob2: it would then have the driver inside the kernel so i wouldnt have to make a module for the kernel i;m running
[06:35] <bob2> otherwise, packages.ubuntu.com, enjoy
[06:35] <lynx_nhb> Ok, I've searched the cd, where are the packages?
[06:36] <bob2> 02:35:27           bob2 | otherwise, packages.ubuntu.com, enjoy
[06:36] <bob2> or try asking on the mailing list or reading the wiki
[06:36] <TrekCycling> what kernel is the next ubuntu release supposed to use?
[06:36] <bob2> the answer is on there, in the ndiswrapper article
[06:36] <bob2> TrekCycling: 2.6.12, of course
[06:36] <TrekCycling> bob2, Okay
[06:36] <soamv> bob2, any ideas about the hibernate beeps?
[06:37] <TrekCycling> bob2, Wasn't sure how closely it tracked Debian current vs. tracking what's current in general.
[06:37] <bob2> 2.6.13 came out last week
[06:37] <bob2> breezy froze long before then
[06:37] <bob2> soamv: ... the obvious questions
[06:37] <TrekCycling> bob2, Are you running breezy?
[06:37] <bob2> e.g. does it beep on reboots?
[06:37] <bob2> is it a bios option?
[06:37] <bob2> does it affect windows?
[06:37] <bob2> does muting fix it?
[06:37] <bob2> TrekCycling: no
[06:38] <TrekCycling> bob2, I can't get WPA to work under any distro, but I'm guessing it will work better under the latest ubuntu
[06:38] <TrekCycling> does anyone really use Breezy? or not until oct.
[06:38] <funkyHat> some people do
[06:38] <funkyHat> like the testers ;)
[06:38] <funkyHat> and a few crazy people
[06:38] <CarlFK> TrekCycling - you can use it as long as you don't expect it to work
[06:38] <apokryphos> ompaul: even bigger programs tend to run ok on a livecd once they've started up -- they're well made.
[06:38] <QMario> Well, if it very annoying to you, I wrote a program to help solve the problem.
[06:38] <QMario> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1929
[06:38] <bob2> some people do
[06:39] <bob2> most people who upgrade to it really shouldn't, tho
[06:39] <ompaul> apokryphos, it started I have closed it and moved on to testing more  :)
[06:39] <bob2> it's fine for advanced users, tho, if they don't mind manual fiddling
[06:39] <soamv> bob2: no it doesnt beep on reboots, it does not affect windows, muting doesn't fix it; there is a /var/log/acpid message that might be relevant:  Lock file present, not processing event
[06:39] <QMario> Hello kitn!!! :)
[06:39] <TrekCycling> huh
[06:39] <TrekCycling> Does it look like WPA is much easier under Breezy?
[06:39] <soamv> bob2, the message is repeated 3 times
[06:39] <QMario> Hello Ben_D!!! :)
[06:39] <bob2> no, it's not likely to be an easier
[06:40] <QMario> !Botsnack
[06:40] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[06:40] <kitn> Hello hello!
[06:40] <TrekCycling> just trying to figure out what to do. I got a new wireless AP (mostly for my wife) and WPA is a real pain.
[06:40] <AzMoo> Is there a way to list processes, sorted by ram used?
[06:40] <bur[n] er> wpa is for weenies, open your wireless ;)
[06:40] <QMario> Hee.
[06:40] <QMario> Try WEP.
[06:40] <soamv> AzMoo, top and then hit uppercase M
[06:40] <LinuxJones> AzMoo, top
[06:40] <QMario> We Enjoy Perl!!!
[06:40] <QMario> Just a small joke. Hee.
[06:40] <kitn> I want to install Ubuntu on my laptop, but the CD drive is not bootable.  Is there a boot floppy for the install, or a boot manager I can use?
[06:40] <TrekCycling> I'm debating wether to go with a distro I know (like CentOS) and just go back to WEP or whether to try a distro like Ubuntu in the hopes of getting WPA working.
[06:40] <zdennis> When ubuntu starts, why does it steel all of my terminals?
[06:41] <zdennis> i can't Alt-F1, Alt-F2, F3...etc...
[06:41] <bob2> I'd just give up on WPA
[06:41] <zdennis> gr....
[06:41] <bob2> use WEP if you want to stop casual attacks and ipsec if you really care abut security
[06:41] <TrekCycling> bob2, Really? That bad right now?
[06:41] <bur[n] er> TrekCycling: use ubuntu with wep ;)
[06:41] <bob2> kitn: can you network install?
[06:41] <bob2> TrekCycling: I just don't see the point of wpa
[06:41] <funkyHat> zdennis, it's ctrl+alt+F...
[06:41] <TrekCycling> bur[n] er, :-)
[06:41] <bob2> zdennis: ctrl-alt-f1
[06:41] <kitn> No, I don't have network hardware for it yet.
[06:41] <TrekCycling> bob2, Dude, I don't know. I thought it was more secure or something. :-)
[06:41] <zdennis> those don't work for me
[06:42] <TrekCycling> bob2, Maybe ipsec is the way to go.
[06:42] <TrekCycling> My main concern is if I'm installing this new laptop it would be nice to know I could do a hotspot now and then. I don't know what they use at those places, though. If they still use WEP or what
[06:42] <bob2> it's more secure than WEP
[06:42] <kushboy> Can anyone help me run through the Mythtv installation. I seem to be doing something wrong
[06:43] <bob2> allegedly
[06:43] <LinuxJones> kushboy, are you following a howto ?
[06:44] <kitn> My laptop is an old ThinkPad 365xd, I bought it specifically for writing, and for learning Ubuntu.  I didn't expect to need network connectivity yet.
[06:44] <bob2> perhaps a usb stick
[06:45] <bob2> your problem is not ubuntu-specific, tho, you just don't have any options you can install from
[06:45] <LinuxJones> kushboy, >> http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/
[06:45] <kitn> Exactly.  That's why I asked if there was a boot floppy image somewhere.
[06:46] <lynx_nhb> I need the right linux header for an AMD Sempron 1800+?
[06:46] <bob2> indeed
[06:47] <lynx_nhb> bob2: What one is best suited for this chip?
[06:47] <bob2> that's not the point
[06:47] <bob2> the headers you want depend on what kernel you're currently using
[06:47] <bob2> hence, uname -r
[06:48] <lynx_nhb> I'm not in linux, I'm in XP.
[06:48] <bob2> great
[06:48] <bob2> time to reboot and check then
[06:48] <lynx_nhb> I have kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[06:48] <bob2> then you want linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:49] <lynx_nhb> Ok, thanx, had to make sure.
[06:49] !christel:*! : Hi! Do you enjoy trivia? If so the guys and gals in ##trivia are requesting your company! Have a great day!
[06:52] <simbad> Hello. I have a probelm with pppd. I am trying to build up a ppp-connection. The networkdevice works fine (I can see it with tcpdump). But pon 'peer' always says "Couldnt get channel number: Input/output error". I have no further ideas, google is not informative in this point.
[06:53] <the4bagger> hey LinuxJones, im still having trouble with my mouse
[06:53] <simbad> BTW, it doesnt matter if I call ppp with or without sudo.
[06:54] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, out of curiousity I removed the PS/2 cable from my computer and my mouse and keyboard still work via the one USB cable
[06:55] <kaha> Is there any way to install a decent theme for my (very few) QT apps, without installing a load of KDE stuff?
[06:55] <Maikeru> hmm
[06:55] <Maikeru> has anyone in here sucessfully setup hostap(d) with madwifi?
[06:56] <the4bagger> Did anybody here have a problem with X server when they installed ubuntu?
[06:56] <zblach> hi
[06:56] <zblach> i just got 3d acceleration working
[06:56] <zblach> what linux games should i play?
[06:56] <thrice`> cool
[06:56] <simbad>  /log/messages says (Connect> ppp0 <---> /dev/pts/1) diretly followed by a Modem hangup. Also I got always a message from hal.hotplug: timeout waiting for /class/net/ppp0. What does that mean?
[06:56] <the4bagger> zblach, i cant even get x server to start
[06:56] <kaha> zblach: Tuxracer.  :)
[06:56] <Maikeru> I was told to edit .config and stuff, but I can't find the file
[06:56] <the4bagger> well, not without an error anyway
[06:57] <Maikeru> oh
[06:57] <Maikeru> wait
[06:57] <thrice`> zblach, enemy territory of course
[06:57] <bob2> simbad: where on the mailing list did you ask?
[06:57] <Maikeru> DAMN'T!
[06:57] <Maikeru> I just realized somethin
[06:57] <zblach> all, whereat?
[06:57] <Maikeru> they were saying to edit .config, but they meant hostapd.config
[06:57] <Maikeru> arghness
[06:57] <zblach> i don't feel like paying for games.
[06:58] <kaha> zblach: tuxracer and enemy territory are both free
[06:58] <simbad> bob2 My mainproblem is this silent pppd, also in debug-mode. I havent visited the mailing list. I dont have the right keywords to find my problems - google also scans the mailinglists
[06:58] <zblach> kaha, where at?
[06:58] <zblach> !tuxracer
[06:58] <ubotu> zblach: I don't know
[06:58] <bob2> simbad: but you didn't post your qyestion?
[06:58] <zblach> !enemy territory
[06:58] <ubotu> zblach: I give up, what is it?
[06:58] <kaha> tuxracer an ubuntu package, dunno about ET
[06:58] <simbad> bob2: thats correct.
[06:59] <zblach> ubotu, enemy territory is land that isn't yours
[06:59] <ubotu> okay, zblach
[06:59] <ompaul> found a bug in breezy live cd - it must be the most trivial bug ever :)
[07:00] <ompaul> can't change desktop wallpaper :)
[07:00] <kaha> So, are my QT apps doomed to stay ugly forever?
[07:01] <thrice`> kaha, run them in kde once
[07:01] <kaha> thrice: Didn't want to install KDE, tho
[07:01] <thrice`> kaha, then don't use qt apps =] 
[07:02] <thrice`> qt apps in a gtk environment
[07:02] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, are you there?
[07:02] <zblach> kaha, doesn't gaim work just as well?
[07:02] <nlogax> zblach: Also RACER and TORCS if you like cars...  Scorched3d & Armagetron are in Ubuntu repositories
[07:02] <zblach> Armagetron?
[07:03] <kaha> zblach: not with a microphone
[07:03] <nlogax> check it out - it's an Internet-playable 3D version of Tron lightcycles
[07:04] <nlogax> fast n' furious
[07:04] <kaha> zblach: I use it to talk to my boss and a couple friends who hate typing
[07:04] <the4bagger> Can somebody please help me with Xserver? Im getting a mouse error causing the GUI to fail to start
[07:04] <bob2> the4bagger: are you using hoary?
[07:04] <kaha> Armagetron rocks
[07:04] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, yeah
[07:04] <the4bagger> um, i think so...I got my ubuntu cd's from the shipit free program
[07:05] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, out of curiousity I removed the PS/2 cable from my computer and my mouse and keyboard still work via the one USB cable
[07:06] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, so your mouse is workign now ?
[07:06] <the4bagger> im running window right now because ubuntu still wont boot the GUI
[07:06] <the4bagger> windows*
[07:07] <auk> gggrr
[07:07] <the4bagger> my mouse is still operational in windows even though i removed the ps/2 connection
[07:07] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, so everything worked ok when you did the initial install ?
[07:07] <ompaul> the4bagger, which version of ubuntu did you install?
[07:07] <the4bagger> no, when I did the initial install I still couldnt boot into the GUI
[07:08] <the4bagger> 5.04
[07:08] <ompaul> what kind of video card?
[07:08] <the4bagger> geforce fx 5200 ultra
[07:08] <ompaul> !tell the4bagger about nvidia
[07:09] <thrice`> !tell thrice` about ati
[07:10] <the4bagger> i can do this even though i dont get a gui?
[07:10] <ompaul> the4bagger, that url should get you past that - you can install a text irc client like sirc to connect to /server irc.freenode.net do the whole identify thing and join us here from ubuntu with the command 'sudo apt-get install sirc'
[07:10] <kushboy> alright, I'm at the database config for MythTv. Is anyone familiar with what I type for "Database:"?
[07:11] <ompaul> the4bagger, well you could but it would be easier if you went there now and printed out the details :)
[07:11] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, ok if your mouse is on usb now you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select /dev/input/mice as the mouse type that should fix that problem, select vesa as the video driver to get you up and running. I have a GF5200 and the nv driver doesn't work with it.
[07:11] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, i have tried that already and get the same error
[07:12] <the4bagger> "cannot open device"
[07:12] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, what kind of mouse is it again ?
[07:12] <morchuboo> im running breezy and cant run gnome due to an error: libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0 (invalid argument) - I tried to dist-upgrade incase it was a bugged previous update but i get an error when updating libc6: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.5-1ubuntu11_i386.deb - unable to stat `./usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Omsk` - Is it a development thing or have I broken something?
[07:12] <kushboy> no Mythtvers?
[07:13] <the4bagger> logitech mx700
[07:13] <bob2> that sounds like disk corruption
[07:14] <morchuboo> really? hmmm ill try running some tests with hdparm and seeing if i get lots of errors. It could well be as the drives are very old and i suspected were on their way out. guess its time to upgrade :)
[07:15] <zdennis> Anyone have ideas why my Ctrl-Alt-F* keys aren't working to switch terminals?
[07:16] <bob2> perhaps yo uconfigured X to not allow it
[07:16] <reiki> when I open a jpg image, it opens in a viewer that has no print function. How would I open it so that I can print it? Do I have to use The Gimp or is there a simpler app in the default install?
[07:16] <bob2> or your keymap is screwed up
[07:16] <bob2> etc
[07:16] <zdennis> bob2, do you know where i would look for that setting?
[07:16] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, any more ideas?
[07:16] <bob2> ...
[07:16] <bob2> in your x config
[07:16] <bob2> /etc/X11/
[07:17] <zdennis> bob2, do you know what the line would look like that would unallow that?
[07:17] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, boot Ubuntu, then cat /dev/input/mice move the mouse around and see if spits out anything to the console
[07:17] <nico8481> hi
[07:18] <faked> sb using amarok? if yes, was it possible for you to build a collection? It doesn't work to me, need help
[07:18] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's a somewhat easy to use firewall for linux?
[07:18] <zdennis> bob2, i see the line that does it.. "Option "DontVTSwitch"
[07:18] <zdennis> but it is commented out
[07:18] <bob2> faked: so file a bug, after askign in #kubuntu
[07:18] <zblach> MrGardenHoseMan, synaptic -> firestarter
[07:18] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: why do you think you need a firewall?
[07:19] <MrGardenHoseMan> why not?
[07:19] <faked> bob2: ah, wrong channel, thank you
[07:19] <zdennis> bob2, so you think keymap is screwed up?
[07:19] <nico8481> any idea how to mix latin and cyrillic characters with LyX (or LaTeX)? I tried installing/using unicode stuff but it doesn't seem to work... :-/
[07:19] <MrGardenHoseMan> more security is never a bad idea
[07:19] <bob2> zdennis: no idea, I can't see your machine, and I don't have time to guess, sorry
[07:19] <MrGardenHoseMan> plus i don't have a router so i'm pretty much all naked out there in the wild
[07:19] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: and what would your firewall actually do?
[07:19] <adriyel_prodigy> except when the environment loses functionality as an effect of higher security
[07:20] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: given that ubuntu doesn't actually have anything attackable in the default install
[07:20] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, im on dialup right now so as soon as i can i will put IRC on linux so i can talk without rebooting...i will go do that mouse thing now
[07:20] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, looks like this might help, print it off and follow the instructions >>  http://docs.tenshu.net/Logitech-MX-Duo-mini-HOWTO/
[07:21] <MrGardenHoseMan> i want to run sshd plus a couple other remote access to desktop daemons
[07:21] <bob2> that's a bad idea
[07:21] <MrGardenHoseMan> yeah
[07:21] <bob2> presumably you won't be firewalling port 22
[07:21] <bob2> and the other should be tunneld over ssh
[07:21] <MrGardenHoseMan> that's why i need a firewall
[07:21] <bob2> so what would your firewall do?
[07:21] <bob2> no
[07:21] <MrGardenHoseMan> just limit traffic on ports i don't want
[07:21] <bob2> no
[07:22] <bob2> stop and think
[07:22] <MrGardenHoseMan> cut them off completely
[07:22] <bob2> what on earth would that do?
[07:22] <bob2> you don't have anything listening on those ports
[07:22] <bob2> if someone tries to access them, the kernel says "no one's here, go away"
[07:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> so what is the purpose of the firewall then?
[07:23] <MrGardenHoseMan> false sense of security?
[07:23] <bob2> no
[07:23] <bob2> they have lots of uses
[07:23] <bob2> not in thise case, tho
[07:23] <nlogax> MrGardenHoseMan it aint such a bad idea really - you may wish to limit which IPs/ISPs can connect to your SSHD
[07:23] <bob2> sometimes you want to restrict who can access what
[07:23] <jack-> if you run services that shouldnt be accessible from outside, or only from certain nets, a fw makes sense
[07:24] <jack-> but its enough to get a decent frontend for iptables
[07:24] <bob2> yes
[07:24] <jack-> its very mighty
[07:24] <bob2> but that is rarely the case
[07:24] <nlogax> jack: exactly
[07:24] <kspath> layered defenses
[07:24] <bob2> and people need to shake the "OMG I NEED A FIREWALL" disease they caught while using windows
[07:24] <kspath> use tcpd  tcp wrappers
[07:24] <MrGardenHoseMan> well i am a fresh off the boat windows user...
[07:25] <nlogax> an FW can also help if someone gets user-level access to your box somehow and tries to bring up a daemon
[07:25] <kspath> hosts.allow hosts.deny is your friend
[07:25] <ompaul> MrGardenHoseMan, a firewall is used to protect services that you want protected, from outside you machine certain services appear like a deep pool of water someone probes it and not even a ripple occurs that they know about
[07:25] <adriyel_prodigy> garden, welcome to the land of Linux, here's some morphine to make the transition less painful
[07:25] <ompaul> what happened there
[07:25] <theeil> how do i fix stuff so i can use mail to send emails to other servers?
[07:25] <mumbles> adriyel_prodigy can i have osme as well
[07:25] <adriyel_prodigy> no.
[07:25] <bob2> nlogax: how do you do that without blcking users abilities to use the network entirely?
[07:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> adriyel_prodigy: yeah it's been an...interesting ride so far
[07:26] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, pm?
[07:26] <mumbles> still trying to get my server working
[07:26] <bob2> theeil: "fix stuff"? you mean reconfigure your MTA? sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix.
[07:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> so what you're basicaly saying is that a firewall wouldn't do much of anything in my case?
[07:26] <theeil> bob2: does postfix do outgoing stuff too?
[07:26] <Maikeru> has anyone in here sucessfully setup hostap(d) with madwifi?
[07:27] <bob2> theeil: of course
[07:27] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: yes
[07:27] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: if you want to restrict which ips can connect to ssh, for instance, then it would do some good
[07:27] <adriyel_prodigy> ugh, this fight in advance wars is taking forever, I'm on day 23....bleh
[07:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> not sure if i want to do that yet
[07:27] <nlogax> bob2: allowing only incoming connections from your local subnet to services you don't want 'Net accessible
[07:27] <MrGardenHoseMan> but thanks
[07:28] <Maikeru> Or, rather, has anyone setup madwifi correctly?
[07:28] <Whistler> how do i configure iptables?
[07:28] <MrGardenHoseMan> less time wasted configuring something i don't need
[07:28] <bob2> nlogax: bind them to only your internal interface
[07:28] <bob2> Whistler: perhaps you want /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian?
[07:28] <bob2> Whistler: or did you mean "Can someone recommend a nice GUI/CLI frontend to iptables?"?
[07:28] <nlogax> bob2: your internal interface might be the same i/f used as external - i.e. when NATted
[07:28] <theeil> bob2: do i need to set a realyhost?
[07:29] <Whistler> bob2 second one
[07:29] <bob2> theeil: yes
[07:29] <Whistler> if its possible
[07:29] <bob2> Whistler: shorewall is great
[07:29] <zblach> how to add networked printers?
[07:29] <theeil> bob2: is smtp.localdomain good?
[07:29] <bob2> Whistler: perhaps firestarter is more suited to you
[07:29] <benplaut> colony 4?! those guys are on a roll!
[07:29] <bob2> theeil: is that really your smarthost?
[07:29] <nlogax> I run an f/w on any Internet-facing hosts but don't think it's necessary for boxes that don't have incoming NAT/PAT from the net
[07:29] <theeil> bob2: i don't know?
[07:30] <bob2> theeil: er
[07:30] <nlogax> ooooh Colony4 \o/  ---  where??
[07:30] <adriyel_prodigy> no, not on a roll, they just code full-time, not a convienence many distro maintainers have
[07:30] <bob2> theeil: you don't know who you should be relaying mail through?
[07:30] <bob2> adriyel_prodigy: hahahaha
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Can Ubuntu boot from a Firewire Drive?
[07:30] <nlogax> theeil: are you sure you need to relay mail??  why not use DNS to deliver it?
[07:31] <bob2> DaSkreech: that's not really the issue: can your bios?
[07:31] <mumbles> whats a good firewall for a server box ?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> bob2: Thanks
[07:31] <bob2> mumbles: shorewall
[07:31] <Leonik> how would i set up a lan party so that i can have my linux server run a packet filter
[07:31] <Leonik> ?
[07:32] <theeil> bob2: i don't have a clue, i just want to be able to send mail with mutt and also be able to get local mail
[07:32] <zblach> how would i add networked printers?
[07:32] <bob2> theeil: to where?
[07:32] <bob2> Leonik: don't bother
[07:32] <theeil> bob2: anywhere
[07:32] <nlogax> theeil: if your DNS is set up right and you don't filter 25/TCP traffic to/from the Internet it should work fine
[07:32] <Leonik> why not? i dont want morons playing wow while everyone else is playing cs
[07:32] <bob2> theeil: then tell postfix to realy mail through your isp
[07:33] <bob2> Leonik: and you can't stop them, so don't watse your time trying
[07:33] <theeil> bob2: but i would have to have a mail account with them than
[07:33] <Leonik> what about for secruity though... could i run anything on the box for that reason?
[07:33] <BlueEagle> theeil: But don't allow everyone to connect and send mail trough your postfix. We've got enout spammers already :)
[07:33] <bob2> Leonik: you need to be way way more specific about your setup and what your aim is
[07:33] <bob2> theeil: if you have a static ip, tell it not to use a relay then
[07:34] <Leonik> well basically i have my linux box... a 64 port switch... and i want everyone to have to go through the box to be able to do anything
[07:34] <Leonik> id like the box to run a dhcp server
[07:34] <bob2> be warned that lots of people will drop mail from you
[07:34] <Maikeru> hrm
[07:34] <bob2> Leonik: why do you want to do that?
[07:34] <Leonik> to take the load off the switch and stuff
[07:34] <adriyel_prodigy> question: whats the diff between a hub and a switch (is tempted to grab networking book from shelf, but would rather not bother)
[07:34] <Leonik> and so i can see what everyone's doing
[07:34] <bob2> Leonik: that's not how networks work
[07:34] <BlueEagle> leonik: modem -> Your box with dhcp server and nifty ip-tables -> Switch -> All other machines.
[07:34] <Maikeru> hub sends to everything
[07:34] <bob2> Leonik: that's also not how networks work
[07:34] <Maikeru> switch sends to only specific one
[07:35] <Leonik> err ya a hub whatever
[07:35] <Maikeru> hub is dumber than a switch
[07:35] <Maikeru> that's basically it
[07:35] <bob2> Leonik: basically, you want to spy on people?
[07:35] <Leonik> no i just want to make sure no ones doing weird shit
[07:35] <Leonik> and i only have a dsl line
[07:35] <mumbles> is there a setupage for shorewall ?
[07:35] <BlueEagle> a hub is also slower than a switch with many peers connected (hub causes more crashes iirc)
[07:35] <Leonik> and its going to be pretty big so id like to keep the packet coutn down
[07:35] <mumbles> i mean a help page ?
[07:35] <bob2> Leonik: this is not how networks work, sorry
[07:35] <bob2> mumbles: install shorewall-doc
[07:35] <Leonik> well i was jw with linux if there's naything out there
[07:35] <BlueEagle> mumbles: You've got a nice interface with webmin
[07:35] <Maikeru> DIE!
[07:35] <bob2> Leonik: there's nothing for anything out there
[07:35] <Leonik> so true
[07:36] <bob2> Leonik: your switch handles all traffic between machines
[07:36] <bob2> it has nothing to do wit hyour server
[07:36] <Leonik> ok
[07:37] <mumbles> how do i get to the webmin interface BlueEagle ?
[07:37] <SanderD> Hi. How large should my swap partition be, having 1 GiB of memory?
[07:37] <bob2> you don't want a webmin interface for shorewall
[07:37] <Maikeru> hmm
[07:37] <bob2> SanderD: the default is fine
[07:37] <Maikeru> at least fake ap works
[07:37] <BlueEagle> mumbles: I would assume that you install webmin and then connect to https://127.0.0.1:10000
[07:37] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Oh, and you might need to start webmin with sudo /etc/init.d/webmin start
[07:37] <adriyel_prodigy> I love webmin :)
[07:38] <SanderD> bob2: I'd like to make the partitions manually.. Would 512 KB be good?
[07:38] <samu2> can somebody tell me how to install truetype font collections on ubuntu?
[07:38] <BlueEagle> bob2: Why do you not want that?
[07:38] <bob2> SanderD: MB? that's fine.
[07:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> !fonts
[07:38] <ubotu> from memory, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[07:38] <samu2> i didnt manage to just "drag them" into fonts:///
[07:38] <SanderD> bob2: Yes, sorry, MB :-) Thanks
[07:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tell samu2 about fonts
[07:38] <bob2> BlueEagle: webmin encourages peopel to change things they don't really understand
[07:39] <adriyel_prodigy> and Linux as a whole doesn't bob2?
[07:39] <bob2> no
[07:39] <mumbles> well i sortof understand what im doing
[07:39] <mumbles> but dont know commands
[07:39] <bob2> the difficulty of making a change usually lines up with the potential for damage
[07:39] <BlueEagle> bob2: So you think hiding dangerous things away in obscure config files is better when it comes to security?
[07:39] <adriyel_prodigy> heh, you've never seen a non-technical gamer bumble about xorg.conf in the attempt to get gaming to work eh?
[07:39] <bob2> e.g. bind is hard enough to get going that most people don't break DNS
[07:39] <tritium> SanderD: do you intened to suspend to disk (hibernate)?
[07:40] <bob2> adriyel_prodigy: then they break X and lose, no harm to anyone else done
[07:40] <mumbles> (adriyel_prodigy) heh, you've never seen a non-technical gamer bumble about xorg.conf in the attempt to get gaming to work eh? --- done that myself
[07:40] <bob2> BlueEagle: yes, that' exactly what I said
[07:40] <adriyel_prodigy> BlueEagle: my sentiments exactly
[07:40] <SanderD> tritium: I don't know, why?
[07:40] <tritium> SanderD: because in that case, you'd want your swap >= mem
[07:40] <adriyel_prodigy> mumbles: its a good thing when I first tried games on Linux, I knew something of what I was doing, my poor friend, lol, he got stuck with a text mode console until I fixed it, I had to ssh into his machine
[07:41] <mumbles> hehe i had to geo into recue mode to fix mine.
[07:41] <samu2> Carpe_Libertatem, do you really have to edit the info for the font manually to add them?
[07:41] <adriyel_prodigy> lolz, good thing Linux has a safe mode
[07:41] <mumbles> good job i had help pages on
[07:41] <adriyel_prodigy> except, I call my safe mode, "knoppix"
[07:41] <samu2> And do .ttc fonts work in ubuntu?
[07:41] <oris_wolfbane> can anyone point me in some the direction of some good tutorials for running a ubuntu vnc server
[07:42] <apokryphos> !vnc
[07:42] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[07:42] <SanderD> tritium: Okay, thanks.
[07:42] <oris_wolfbane> ubotu, thanxs
[07:42] <ubotu> no worries, oris_wolfbane
[07:42] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Thanx so much.  Getting file and dependancies. Laters.
[07:42] <bob2> I really wish people would write up documentation properly
[07:42] <Maikeru> grm
[07:42] <BlueEagle> bob2: Well, I would think a better warning message when trying to do things that might break other machines would be better. Setting up a firewall (and potentially locking ones own network out) doesn't really fall into that category. For Bind I might be inclined to agree with you, but not for shorewall.
[07:43] <mumbles> BlueEagle i get Error - Access denied for 192.168.0.5
[07:43] <Maikeru> So does -ANYONE- in here use MadWifi?
[07:43] <BlueEagle> mumbles: You're not trying to access webmin from the box that is running it?
[07:43] <lynx_nhb> bob2: I agree the modem drivers doc were very inclomplete.
[07:43] <mumbles> no the box thats running it is a server
[07:44] <SanderD> Can I have /var at the same partition as /home (for backups)?
[07:44] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Well, then I suggest you allow access from 192.168.0.* in /etc/webmin/somefile. Have a look-see and see what you find.
[07:44] <bob2> Maikeru: and now you ask on the mailing list or on a hostapd list
[07:44] <Whistler> something is blocking my ports
[07:44] <bob2> Whistler: then talk to your ISP
[07:44] <Whistler> i dont have any firewall installed
[07:44] <MrGardenHoseMan> does ubuntu come with a vncviewer?
[07:44] <Maikeru> bob2: I
[07:44] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Also you would probably want two NICs in the server. One for the modem and one for the switch.
[07:45] <Maikeru> I don't understand your question
[07:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> dumb question, never mind
[07:45] <adnans> MrGardenHoseMan: apt-get install vcn4viewer
[07:45] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Does ubunto (Debian) have any good composing software and advance Guitar trainers?
[07:45] <Maikeru> Or are you saying I should?
[07:45] <Whistler> its something with my ubuntu not the isp
[07:45] <bob2> Whistler: it wasn't a question
[07:45] <Maikeru> I've been looking on google forever
[07:45] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[07:45] <bob2> ironmc: I hear lilypond is nice
[07:45] <mumbles> damm no can do BlueEagle its a old compac thing
[07:45] <Maikeru> if I could just configure hostapd to compile for madwifi everything would work
[07:45] <bob2> Maikeru: no, ubuntu has no ip filterint enabled by default
[07:45] <bob2> Maikeru: I was suggesting 2 better places to ask
[07:45] <BlueEagle> mumbles: You've got no avail ISA or PCI slots? o.O
[07:45] <Maikeru> oh
[07:45] <Ahmuck> what is lilypond ?
[07:45] <Whistler> somebody told me that iptables may be causing this what shoul i do?
[07:45] <bob2> Whistler: h no, ubuntu has no ip filterint enabled by default
[07:45] <bob2> Whistler: no, it's not
[07:45] <Whistler> oh
[07:46] <mumbles> its a compac evo machne
[07:46] <mumbles> about the size of 2 big heafty manules
[07:46] <bob2> iptables does not do *anything* by default on ubuntu
[07:46] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Well, that's what you get for buying a compaq then. :p
[07:46] <mumbles> i dident... it got given to me
[07:46] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Well, that's what you get for accepting crappy presants then. :p
[07:47] <mumbles> :p my mate suddenley said here u can have this
[07:47] <bob2> thrice`: it's not in linux-restricted-modules?
[07:47] <adnans> thrice`, but it is
[07:47] <thrice`> adnans, fglrx for 2.6.12 ?
[07:47] <thrice`> bob2, the external agp
[07:48] <BlueEagle> mumbles: Well, you can always setup a different subnet using the same NIC, but I really don't know how to do that. Ask bob2. He seems like a guru. :)
[07:48] <adnans> ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.12-8-686/volatile/fglrx.ko
[07:48] <adnans> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 303639 2005-09-05 21:32 /lib/modules/2.6.12-8-686/volatile/fglrx.ko
[07:48] <funkyHat> i like those evo boxes, nice and smart and small
[07:48] <tritium> bizarre mating ritual
[07:48] <thrice`> the drivers in hoary will not compile on 2.6.12
[07:48] <funkyHat> (ok, mostly small)
[07:48] <bob2> thrice`: I don't know what that means
[07:48] <mumbles> i think im going to disconnnect my server from the net anyway
[07:48] <mumbles> user it as a local backup box
[07:48] <nlogax> lynx_nhb have you checked out Rosegarden?
[07:48] <thrice`> adnans, what pack is that from ?
[07:48] <sanketmedhi> hello
[07:48] <sanketmedhi> can anyone help this new ubuntu user configure his screen resolution?
[07:48] <bob2> thrice`: if breezy is missing a driver that hoary had, someone should file a bug
[07:48] <BlueEagle> sanketmedhi: Fell free to /msg me.
[07:49] <adnans> thrice`, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-686
[07:49] <tritium> sanketmedhi: that's usually doene with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:49] <thrice`> adnans, they are putting fglrx in there now ?  this wasn't the same as hoary was it ?
[07:49] <dryad> Goodevening #ubuntu, I was wondering how to mount an external harddrive (USB) with write-permissions for non-root users?
[07:49] <adnans> thrice`, nope
[07:49] <sanketmedhi> tritium
[07:49] <dryad> I'm running Ubuntu Hoary, just in case that'd be important
[07:49] <lynx_nhb> nlogax, Tried to get it to work on Fedora and RH Enterprise and couldn't so I went back to Debian.
[07:49] <benkong2> I upgraded from 2.6.10-k8 kernel to 2.6.11 and now my nvidia stuff is broken...booted into init 3 and tried apt-get install nvidia stuff but all I get is already the newest version. What can I do now?
[07:50] <Decadent> aloha mates
[07:50] <thrice`> adnans, well, I was thinking of updating to breezy, but I know that X won't like the fglrx drivers I've got on there now
[07:50] <thrice`> seeing as how they will not work in 2.6.12
[07:50] <adnans> thrice`, sorry, using nvidia stuff here
[07:50] <thrice`> adnans, then why do you have fglrx!
[07:50] <bob2> benkong2: so, don't do that
[07:50] <adnans> thrice`, cuz it comes standard
[07:50] <bob2> benkong2: since 2.6.11 is known broken and not in the supported section of ubuntu
[07:50] <SanderD> Can I have /var at the same partition as /home (for making backups)?
[07:51] <sanketmedhi> tritium: actually i was getting only upto 1024x768 earlier....so i edited xorg.conf and added a 1280x1024 resolution...now i get all 1280 series resolutions but nothing between 1280 and 1024
[07:51] <thrice`> adnans, do you have something in /lib/modules/fglrx
[07:51] <thrice`> ?
[07:51] <benkong2> bob2; ok thanks
[07:51] <bob2> SanderD: of course, you can put any thing, any where
[07:51] <lynx_nhb> nlogax: Tried to get it to work on Fedora and RH Enterprise and couldn't so I went back to Debian.
[07:51] <Kyral> Wow, is today a major GNOME update day in Breezy?
[07:51] <thrice`> 2.12 final might be released to packagers... ?
[07:51] <lynx_nhb> nlogax: How good is beast or brahms?
[07:51] <adnans> thrice`, only way to find out if it works is to try it :)
[07:51] <Kyral> I
[07:52] <tritium> sanketmedhi: that sounds normal, if you didn't add modes between 1024 and 1280
[07:52] <Kyral> am getting loads of GNOME updates
[07:52] <thrice`> adnans, no, do you have that dir on your system ?  /lib/modules/fglrx ?
[07:52] <SanderD> bob2: How do I configure that? In /etc/fstab I think I can only choose one mount point per partition.
[07:52] <BlueEagle> benkong2: Which error are you getting when attempting to startx?
[07:52] <Kyral> HOORAY!
[07:52] <sanketmedhi> tritium: i tried adding 1152x768 but it didnt work
[07:52] <Kyral> It IS 2.12!
[07:52] <bob2> SanderD: of course
[07:52] <bob2> SanderD: you make /var a symlink to somewhere in /home
[07:52] <bob2> which may or may not work, depending on whether things write there before fstab is done
[07:53] <benkong2> BlueEagle;  gdm x is improperly configured could not load nvidia driver
[07:53] <bob2> lynx_nhb: "ubunto" is not the name of anything
[07:53] <BlueEagle> benkong2: lsmod|grep nvidia
[07:53] <mumbles> arse i can see a way of getting it work
[07:53] <mumbles> to
[07:53] <tritium> sanketmedhi: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:53] <bob2> lynx_nhb: and why don't you just look for yourself?
[07:53] <mumbles> or any file that says allow 192.168.x.x
[07:53] <BlueEagle> benkong2: You might need to add nvidia to /etc/modules
[07:54] <bob2> benkong2: no, go back to 2.6.10
[07:54] <benkong2> nothing returned
[07:54] <sanketmedhi> tritium: ok thanx
[07:54] <aapelii> Hi, is this the correct channel to talk about breezy?
[07:54] <benkong2> ok I'll go back to 2.6.10 since its supported
[07:54] <bob2> benkong2: one of the many unpleasant things about 2.6.11 is that it has no binary drivers built for it
[07:54] <BlueEagle> benkong2: sudo modprobe nvidia && lsmod|grep nvidia
[07:54] <SanderD> bob2: Okay, thanks, I'll try it. Then I've only got one question left (I hope): Does the Ubuntu installer recognize /home/* folders, so that I can keep my files when re-installing?
[07:54] <benkong2> thanks BlueEagle
[07:54] <bob2> SanderD: if you tell the partitioner to mount it on /home, yes
[07:54] <tritium> sanketmedhi: if that doesn't work, look for clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:55] <nlogax> lynx_nhb: haven't used any I'm afraid (incl. Rosegarden :-/
[07:55] <lynx_nhb> Anyone remember someone that helped me over 10 yrs ago in debian linux called sirdibose?
[07:55] <bob2> sirdibios is now a nazi
[07:55] <sanketmedhi> tritium: ok, i am currently dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:55] <SanderD> bob2: So when I make a new user in the installer with the same name as in the old installation, I can use the same files?
[07:55] <lynx_nhb> nlogax: Thanx.
[07:55] <bob2> SanderD: yes
[07:55] <firefly2442> how do I get ride of the mesa drivers and use ATI instead?
[07:56] <lynx_nhb> bob2: YOur kidding?
[07:56] <bob2> firefly2442: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <bob2> lynx_nhb: no
[07:56] <SanderD> bob2: Okay, great. :-)
[07:56] <nlogax> I take it it's Breezy repos that are getting 2.12 updates??
[07:56] <bob2> lynx_nhb: assuming you mean jonathon walther
[07:57] <lynx_nhb> bob2: thanx, I didn't know that.
[07:57] <pvh> What's with the registration requirement?
[07:57] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Yes.
[07:57] <bob2> pvh: spam attacks
[07:57] <pvh> bob2: Ah. Thanks.
[07:57] <thrice`> is it beta2 or 2.12 final ?
[07:57] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, i think i may have a solution, but i dont know the code to do it
[07:57] <BlueEagle> pvh: It's to prohibit spambots from annying the crap out of everyone.
[07:57] <BlueEagle> pvh: Blame the script kiddies.
[07:58] <firefly2442> what is a linux restricted module?
[07:58] <lynx_nhb> bob2: neo?
[07:58] <bob2> lynx_nhb: googling for his nick will show you more
[07:58] <pvh> BlueEagle: I always blame the script kiddies. It's too bad there isn't a less counter-noobie way though.
[07:58] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, when I try booting into ubuntu it appears as though it is trying to boot from my user directory, the4bagger
[07:58] <bob2> firefly2442: linux-restricted-modules contains non-free kernel modules
[07:58] <pvh> BlueEagle: Actually, I imagine the channel has gotten a lot more civil ever since.
[07:58] <benkong2> bob2; BlueEagle; can I change from the 2.6.10-5 amd-generic064 to the 2.6.10.5-k7 without breaking everything? My assumption is with the amd64 processor k7 is better????
[07:59] <bob2> benkong2: no...
[07:59] <BlueEagle> pvh: Registereing and identifying isn't a hassle if you're using a propper irc client. :)
[07:59] <DJWillis> firefly2442: a Linux kernel module that is NOT (l)GPL. I.e. a closed source kernel module.
[07:59] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Do I search for sirdibos or his name?
[07:59] <bob2> benkong2: if you don't know what you're doing, just leave it
[07:59] <pvh> BlueEagle: Everything is a hassel.
[07:59] <bob2> lynx_nhb: irc nick
[07:59] <Simpleton> Hey Fellas, What do I do when I get this message
[07:59] <Simpleton>  error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:59] <pvh> BlueEagle: Hassle, even.
[07:59] <adnans> thrice`, nope
[07:59] <bob2> DJWillis: there are BSD modules, too; it's more "non-GPl compatible modules"
[07:59] <pvh> I just followed the HOWTO guide on updating my nVidia GLX module, but now I get segfaults when anything tries to touch GL.
[07:59] <lynx_nhb> bob2: ok got you.
[08:00] <benkong2> ok generic it is
[08:00] <bob2> pvh: was it on the forums?
[08:00] <pvh> This is the ubuntuforum howto. I didn't see anything in the thread.
[08:00] <firefly2442> thanks, off to restart
[08:00] <pvh> bob2: Yeah.
[08:00] <bob2> Simpleton: packages.ubuntu.com, search for that file and install the package it suggests
[08:00] <bob2> Forums In Bad Advice Shocker!
[08:00] <the4bagger> cant....get....Xserver.....to.....work.....aaaaaaaaaahhhh
[08:00] <bob2> pvh: follow up to the thread
[08:00] <DJWillis> bob2: Thanks for clearing that up, I realised it was non-GPL modules but never realised that inc. some BSD licences.
[08:00] <pvh> bob2: Controversy sweeping the nation!
[08:00] <Kyral> Very cool
[08:00] <Kyral> GNOME 2.12
[08:01] <bob2> heh
[08:01] <Simpleton> bob2, is that different then apt-cache search? I've found and installed the closest thing to It I think. "libstdc++6"
[08:01] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Did you expect anyone to give constrictive advice based on that comment?
[08:01] <bob2> Simpleton: yes, it is different
[08:01] <thrice`> Kyral, is it all of it, or some ?
[08:01] <pvh> bob2: I'm not a forum member.
[08:01] <Kyral> I think just some
[08:01] <bob2> Simpleton: apt-file is the command-line analogue
[08:01] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, yes lol
[08:01] <Kyral> The "About GNOME" reports 2.12
[08:01] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: You need to set it up correctly.
[08:01] <Kyral> and almost all my updates were GNOME packages
[08:01] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, ive been troubleshooting this for like 3 days
[08:01] <thrice`> Kyral, which version of gtk do you have ?
[08:01] <bob2> Simpleton: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[08:01] <thrice`> 2.8.x ?
[08:02] <Kyral> Uhh
[08:02] <Kyral> I dunno :P
[08:02] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Feel free to /msg me and we'll have a look-see on your xorg.conf
[08:02] <Kyral> How do I check
[08:02] <bob2> the dpkg factoid name is "redhat crap", because it's an old old version of libstdc++ lots of proprietary software was compiled against
[08:02] <mumbles> mumbles@JS1:/etc$ sudo cd shorewall/
[08:02] <mumbles> sudo: cd: command not found
[08:02] <bob2> mumbles: sudo does not work like that
[08:02] <thrice`> Kyral, search synaptic ?
[08:02] <mumbles> hermm i tried to cd normally into shorewall and it wouldent work
[08:02] <nightswim> you need a root-shell to do so
[08:03] <mumbles> cd shorewall/
[08:03] <mumbles> -bash: cd: shorewall/: Permission denied
[08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> is there a vnc server on ubuntu by default?
[08:03] <bob2> mumbles: 'sudo -s'
[08:03] <Simpleton> bob2, thanks.
[08:03] <Carpe_Libertatem> MrGardenHoseMan: yes
[08:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> Carpe_Libertatem: what's the name of it?
[08:04] <Maikeru> DJWillis, if you get a minute can you take a look at the PM I sent? ;/
[08:04] <Kyral> libgtk its at 2.8.3-0ubuntu1
[08:04] <Carpe_Libertatem> MrGardenHoseMan: system > prefs > remote desktop - 'tis all I know =P
[08:04] <thrice`> Kyral, badass =] 
[08:04] <MrGardenHoseMan> lol
[08:04] <thrice`> Kyral, things should be looking pretty good now
[08:04] <Kyral> Totem and VLC are still kinda busted though..
[08:04] <Quinthius> hmm... is beagle not in any of the main repo's?
[08:05] <Kyral> Totem won't allow me to change subtitle and audio tracks on my DVD Rips of anime
[08:05] <Kyral> VLC lets me, but misplaces the subtitles when fullscreened
[08:06] <mumbles> cant be bothered with server anymore
[08:09] <benplaut> Kyral, you're using breezy!
[08:09] <benplaut> d'oh!
[08:09] <Kyral> Yah
[08:09] <benplaut> excpect glitches ;)
[08:09] <ubuntulnx> anyone knows howto make totem-xine read a network ahead whilst playing what it has downloaded? can't find any options...
[08:09] <Kyral> yah
[08:10] <Kyral> I'm gonna do a clean install when it goes stable :P
[08:11] <Kyral> what is supposed to be new?
[08:11] <Kyral> I mean, things seem a little sharper, but thats it...
[08:11] <benplaut> try making the panel transparent
[08:11] <benplaut> it finally works :)
[08:12] <bur[n] er> iferea
[08:12] <bur[n] er> doh, sorry
[08:12] <Kyral> benplaut, it has worked since Hoary...
[08:12] <benplaut> hmm
[08:12] <benplaut> never did for me
[08:12] <lynx_nhb> bob2: He helped me over 10 years ago with Debian Linux and I never knew.
[08:12] <benplaut> gnome hasn't really chaned much, i hafta admit
[08:13] <benplaut> nautilus got a new location bar, but i don't like it
[08:13] <benplaut> disabled it in gconf
[08:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> Gnome has become more attractive
[08:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> Just in the past two or three years.
[08:13] <apokryphos> Location bar? Reminiscient of Konqueror ;-)
[08:13] <Kyral> lol I must have had it disabled
[08:13] <Kyral> 'cause I don't see one :D
[08:13] <dryad> Goodevening #ubuntu, I was wondering how to mount an external harddrive (USB) with write-permissions for non-root users?
[08:14] <benplaut> Kyral: the button bar
[08:14] <adriyel_prodigy> dryad, chmod/chown
[08:14] <apokryphos> dryad: is it vfat?
[08:14] <mylore> hey everyone
[08:14] <dryad> it's reiserfs
[08:14] <adriyel_prodigy> I would assume its /dev/sda1
[08:14] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Is he still chatting?  I would like to ThAnK him my own way.
[08:14] <dryad> sdb1
[08:15] <Kyral> benplaut, I don't have one :P
[08:15] <benplaut> odd...
[08:15] <mylore> just a quick question....is there anyone here developing in opengl?
[08:15] <Kyral> How do I get that infopanel though?
[08:15] <benplaut> wait a sec, are you in spatial?
[08:15] <dryad> adriyel_prodigy, shit - it was just a simple chmod.. I can't believe I didn't think of that :)
[08:15] <dryad> thank you!
[08:15] <Kyral> benplaut, wazzat?
[08:16] <Kyral> you mean Icon View?
[08:16] <benplaut> oh, man...
[08:16] <Juhaz> Kyral, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
[08:16] <benplaut> thanks, i was looking for that
[08:16] <Kyral> Dude, I just make Nautilus look the way I like it
[08:16] <Kyral> I don't give a damn about names :P
[08:16] <benplaut> i'd bet you use spatial :P
[08:16] <Kyral> Then how do I change it?
[08:16] <Kyral> GConf?
[08:17] <lynx_nhb> bob2: Are you there?  It sucks to find this out much later.
[08:17] <benplaut> OK, follow me on this...
[08:17] <Kyral> I found the key
[08:17] <benplaut> Applications>System Tools>File Browser
[08:17] <mylore> opengl anyone?
[08:17] <Kyral> unchecked "no-ubuntu-spacial"
[08:18] <benplaut> does your nautilus look pretty much like that
[08:18] <benplaut> ?
[08:18] <Kyral> yah
[08:18] <Kyral> in that pic on that site, yah
[08:18] <apokryphos> is there no location bar in Nautilus by default?
[08:18] <apokryphos> that seems shaky
[08:19] <Kyral> thats called List View :P
[08:19] <benplaut> no, like it does in Applications>System Tools>File Browser
[08:19] <Kyral> what they call Spatial
[08:19] <benplaut> ahh, so you are a spatial user
[08:19] <apokryphos> oh yes, I forgot it had different modes
[08:19] <Kyral> Yah, how I get that info pane?
[08:19] <Kyral> when I click on my Homedir?
[08:19] <benplaut> you have to be in browser mode
[08:19] <Kyral> How do I set THAT?
[08:19] <benplaut> sec
[08:20] <dalamar> whoa, can the gnome in hoary flip the names of stuff sideways if you have the bar on the left/right hand side like in that web preview?
[08:20] <benplaut> Edit>Prefences>Behavior>Always open in browser windows
[08:20] <benplaut> and then close and open another nautilus window
[08:22] <Kyral> like 90% of that stuff in GNOME 2.12 I don
[08:22] <Kyral> 't use
[08:22] <thrice`> Kyral, will you do me a favor ?
[08:22] <Kyral> I don't use Evolution, I don't use Ephiphany, I don't use Sound Juicer
[08:22] <Kyral> what?
[08:22] <benplaut> Kyral: i feel the same way
[08:22] <Pickle_Weasel> does anyone know of a mirror for ubuntusetup.sh?
[08:22] <thrice`> Kyral, run sudo apt-cache search fglrx    for breezy ?
[08:23] <Pickle_Weasel> the one on the restricted formats site does not work =\
[08:23] <Kyral> what exactly did you want?
[08:23] <thrice`> Kyral, and see which version of fglrx-xorg-driver it has
[08:23] <Kyral> its xorg-flgrx-driver now
[08:23] <Kyral> err
[08:24] <thrice`> Kyral, er...can you see which version it says in synapticf ?
[08:24] <Kyral> xorg-driver-flgrx
[08:24] <Kyral> You mean do an apt-cache show?
[08:24] <thrice`> Kyral, will that display the version number ?
[08:24] <Kyral> Version: 6.8.0-8.14.13-0ubuntu9
[08:24] <thrice`> Kyral, ok, thank you very much
[08:25] <Quinthius> was reading you guys' conversation... which is "spatial" mode... list view or the large icons view?
[08:25] <Quinthius> or is it something different?
[08:26] <Madpilot> Quinthius: something different: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/images/nautilus-list.png
[08:26] <Quinthius> oh... tree view?
[08:26] <Madpilot> Quinthius: that pic from here: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/  - Gnome 2.12 will be in Breezy next month
[08:27] <thrice`> Madpilot, or uploaded mostly today =] 
[08:27] <BlueEagle> madpilot: I would like to know what was in the folder "Hacking Doors" :)
[08:29] <gsuveg> re
[08:29] <chrisbudden14> How can i get nautilus to start maximised?
[08:30] <benplaut> !devilspie
[08:30] <ubotu> benplaut: Are you smoking crack?
[08:30] <Madpilot> thrice`: there's a new Breezy colony CD out today, isn't there?
[08:30] <benplaut> !badbot
[08:30] <ubotu> benplaut: No idea
[08:30] <benplaut> Madpilot, most certanly is :)
[08:30] <thrice`> Madpilot, yes, but gnome 2.12 is just starting to get uploaded
[08:31] <thrice`> Madpilot, remember that preview is out later too
[08:31] <benplaut> chrisbudden14, it's an app called Devil's Pie
[08:31] <benplaut> google it
[08:31] <Kyral> So big update day
[08:31] <aapelii> how do I reconfigure keymap?
[08:31] <Madpilot> thrice`: cool. I'm conservative, I'm still running Hoary. If I had a spare computer I'd try breezy, but with only one it had better work!
[08:31] <Kyral> I can't wait until XGL or whatever is the next big X eyecandy update
[08:31] <dalamar> can you flip the applications/places/system menu on its side in the gnome in hoary or is that new for 2.12?
[08:32] <thrice`> Madpilot, yes...I am waiting for preview to update
[08:32] <Madpilot> aapelii: System menu - Prefs - Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:32] <Kyral> I think its new for GNOME 2.12
[08:32] <dalamar> ah ok
[08:32] <bipolar> Madpilot, I just cought the end of that. are you contemplating testing breezy?
[08:33] <bipolar> Madpilot, I've been thinking about the same
[08:33] <Kyral> I'm wondering when the sharp corners on my rounded window border theme are gonna go away
[08:33] <gsuveg> what is the brezzy planed release date ?
[08:33] <Kyral> Oct 13
[08:33] <gsuveg> good
[08:33] <gsuveg> thansk
[08:33] <aapelii> I meant how do I change from english beyboard to finnish. I know how to do it in gnome, but Id like to do it systemwide
[08:33] <Kyral> This is annoying
[08:33] <Madpilot> bipolar: no, I'm waiting until the full release... see above re: conservative about the only computer I own!
[08:34] <Kyral> all the rounded off Window Border themes (like Glossy P, d3a) have these "sharp" corners on them
[08:35] <bipolar> Madpilot, ahh... is it known to have major problems still?
[08:35] <QMario> Tritium, is there a reason why Windows computers can't see Linux computers on the network?
[08:35] <Madpilot> bipolar: the major, major problems seem to be mostly fixed, from what I've heard
[08:35] <Hoxzer> hmmm, so it is possible to run Ubuntu with multiple Gnome desktops?
[08:36] <chrisbudden14> benplaut thanks
[08:36] <Hoxzer> I like to run it with 3 Gnome Desktops
[08:36] <tritium> QMario, they can if these linux computers run a samba server
[08:36] <bipolar> Madpilot, ok. I might give it a shot. I've got spare machines, but  my main laptop would probbly be the guinipig
[08:36] <Seveas> oh my god, look :)
[08:36] <QMario> Tritium, they do.
[08:36] <Seveas> weeeee :)
[08:36] <QMario> Seveas, what are you doing?
[08:36] <benplaut> dittop
[08:36] <tritium> Seveas, :)
[08:36] <bipolar> Seveas, what does -r do?
[08:36] <Kyral> Restricted
[08:37] <Seveas> removes the registered users restriction
[08:37] <tritium> QMario, sounds like settings need to be adjusted
[08:37] <benplaut> spambot gone! :)
[08:37] <Seveas> the spambots seem to be eliminated greatly
[08:37] <QMario> Tritium, my Windows computers can't even access the server itself, and they are even in the same workgroup. :(
[08:37] <QMario> When I go to Windows Network with Samba, I don't see any computers.
[08:38] <Quinthius> "NOME 2.12 will be released to the world on September 7th, 2005" <-- hehe, that's my birthday!
[08:38] <Quinthius> GNOME*
[08:38] <Kyral> It looks like tis already coming out, at least by what has been upgraded in Breezy
[08:38] <tritium> QMario, have you setup any shares in samba?
[08:38] <QMario> Quinthius, happy birthday(2 days early).
[08:38] <Quinthius> :D
[08:38] <QMario> Tritium, yes.
[08:39] <Seveas> Kyral, the breezy preview release (due in a week) will have the full gnome 2.12
[08:39] <waseem> hi, i installed quake3arena and its working fine, however, i cannot play with anyone on the internet. any suggestions?
[08:39] <QMario> Just joking.
[08:39] <Quinthius> hehe
[08:39] <QMario> Hee hee.
[08:40] <D1> looks like gnome 2.12 has already been updated in breezy.
[08:40] <D1> or chunks of it.
[08:40] <D1> breezy is looking up.
[08:41] <D1> been stable for the past week.
[08:41] <gsuveg> breezy come wiht native eclipse ?
[08:41] <D1> no idea about that, sorry.
[08:41] <bipolar> I used to run Debian Unstable on my desktops
[08:41] <D1> I upgraded from colony 3
[08:41] <zblach> hi
[08:41] <Kyral> Seveas: I assume the current Breezy users will already have it :P
[08:41] <D1> and have dist-upgraded a few times since
[08:41] <gsuveg> where is a feature matrix of breezy ?
[08:42] <D1> and all has worked well so far
[08:42] <QMario> Tritium?
[08:42] <gsuveg> the native eclipse would be heaven
[08:43] <tritium> QMario, yes?
[08:43] <QMario> I have set up shares in Samba.
[08:43] <QMario> What is my problem?
[08:45] <arash> hi
[08:45] <tritium> QMario, I don't know
[08:46] <QMario> Tritium, is there a reason why Windows computers can't see themselves in their workgroup?
[08:46] <tritium> QMario, honestly, I haven't used Windows in years and years
[08:46] <BlueEagle> qmario: I would assume that it's a feature.
[08:47] <QMario> BlueEagle, how?
[08:47] <gusto5> QMario, they should be able to
[08:47] <BlueEagle> qmario: I don't know. Why would you browse files via SMB when you can access them in your local filesystem (ie. much faster)
[08:47] <QMario> Exactly.
[08:48] <QMario> ?
[08:48] <Bateau_> hey! how do i install a .deb ?
[08:48] <QMario> Gusto5, do you know why they can't?
[08:48] <BlueEagle> bateau_: dpgk -i packagename.deb iirc
[08:48] <Bateau_> iirc?
[08:48] <gusto5> QMario, im assuming something isnt setup right. my 2nd doze box can see itself and my 3rd doze box
[08:48] <BlueEagle> bateau_: if i remember correctly
[08:48] <thrice`> dpkg
[08:48] <gusto5> Bateau_, go to a terminal
[08:49] <QMario> Gusto5, I think my Linux computer affected something.
[08:49] <gusto5> QMario, thats not very likely.
[08:49] <Bateau_> if i install the .deb in /download... does the progg get installed in that folder then?
[08:49] <bur[n] er> no
[08:49] <Bateau_> oki :)
[08:50] <QMario> I have a dual-boot system, but when I try to view my workgroup, it says I don't have any access, yet I can pick the computers in my workgroup.
[08:50] <BlueEagle> bateau_: They should not. Depends on the package really. I've yet seen one do that though.
[08:50] <QMario> This all happened after I tampered with Samba.
[08:50] <Madpilot> Bateau_: "sudo dpkg -i <foo.deb>"
[08:50] <BlueEagle> qmario: Have you tried disabling samba on your linix box, rebooting the windows machine and trying again?
[08:50] <QMario> BlueEagle, no.
[08:51] <QMario> Let me try it.
[08:51] <QMario> :-/ :(
[08:51] <BlueEagle> qmario: Well, that would be a way to rule out the linux box interfering...
[08:52] <Rahman> hai,aku boleh kenalan enggak?
[08:52] <Rahman> namaku david
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> where is a good place to put some startup script that starts esd?
[08:52] <Rahman> kalau namamu?
[08:53] <zblach> how to add networked printers?
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> and how to make my computer shout "you my nigga!!" when boots up?
[08:53] <morchuboo> Bateau_, use dpkg --contents <deb file> at the console to list the files and where they will go - use dpkg --info for other information
[08:53] <gusto5> BROKEN_LADDER, shout as in...textshout or audo shout?
[08:53] <Rahman> rumahmu dimana?
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> zblach "how do i add a networked printer?"
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> audio.  voice.
[08:53] <Bateau_> ah, oki thanks morchuboo :D
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> have computer talk to me.
[08:53] <Rahman> aku boleh kenalan kan?
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh hell.  japanese?
[08:53] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, please watch your choice of words, man
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium ??
[08:54] <Rahman> rumahmu dimana?
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[08:54] <Quinthius> b
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <gusto5> c?
[08:54] <thellama> Rahman...
[08:54] <BlueEagle> poor thing
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <abarbaccia> Rahman, stop
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:54] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <thellama> someone kick him
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <Madpilot> !ops
[08:55] <thellama> Seveas
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <ubotu> I heard ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[08:55] <NeverDream> you son of a bitch
[08:55] <Rahman> a
[08:55] <BlueEagle> thellama: Just ignore him.
[08:55] <thellama> Help!
[08:55] <thellama> hehe
[08:55] <bipolar> wtf is his problem
[08:55] <dmk> hi this may be a strange request but does anyone have the source package for 2.6.12-6-386 for Breezy?
[08:55] <gusto5> shrugs...
[08:55] <thellama> how did you do that tritium
[08:55] <maddler> bipolar: nothing... beside he lost his brain :D
[08:56] <dmk> i mean the source code of 2.6.12-6-386 for hoary
[08:56] <tritium> thellama, with the +q mode
[08:56] <maddler> thellama: he's a magician! :D
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know some japanese.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[08:56] <thellama> ahh
[08:56] <dmk> its at 2.6.12-8-386 now but I need 2.6.12-6-386
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> me rike shushi
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> me brack bert in kavatee
[08:56] <thellama> tritium: why don't you just stay as an op?
[08:56] <bipolar> I hope 2.6.13 makes it into breezy. It's been really nice on my laptop
[08:56] <BlueEagle> ...and another one hits the ignore list.
[08:57] <NeverDream> if I add more users besides myself and root, the sound stops working. Anyone know why and how I can fix it?
[08:57] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: enough crap, OK?
[08:57] <thellama> you on breezy?
[08:57] <tritium> thellama, I try to only use it when necessary
[08:57] <BlueEagle> neverdream: Does it stop working for everyone or just the new user?
[08:57] <thellama> oksy
[08:57] <bipolar> thellama, it's sneaky that way
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, but first admit i'm funny.
[08:57] <thellama> hehe
[08:57] <NeverDream> BlueEagle: just the new users
[08:57] <BlueEagle> neverdream: you might want to add them to the audio group
[08:57] <NeverDream> aha
[08:57] <BlueEagle> neverdream: ;D
[08:57] <NeverDream> that would do it :) thanks
[08:57] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, not when you use the "n" word, or talk about assasinations
[08:58] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: no, you weren't...
[08:58] <BlueEagle> neverdream: np
[08:58] <thellama> am I the only one here who sets xcompmgr -c when I log in?
[08:58] <LaserLine> Hello all, I have a question, anyone could help ?
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> traveller no, the n word was cause that's the message i want my computer to say.
[08:58] <tritium> it's still inappropriate
[08:58] <BlueEagle> laserline: Not unless you actually ask the question.
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot what exactly do you find funny then?  Bob Saget?
[08:58] <zenwhen> please do not say the n word i am on office network thank you BROKEN_LADDER
[08:58] <thellama> I like cheese.
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a good place to put a script to make esd startup?
[08:59] <bipolar> ok. can anyone give me a reason not to dist-upgrade to breezy on my dell 600m?
[08:59] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, in your session, you can easily do that in the sound preferences
[08:59] <maddler> bipolar: it's not stable yet? :)
[08:59] <thellama> bipolar: I just did, and I love breezy!
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> bipolar probably because you'd experience some problems, cause it's not stable yet.
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in kde
[08:59] <BlueEagle> zenwhen: Thank you for for using the syntax "nickname: your message" so I don't have to read what you're writing to the kids. :)
[08:59] <thellama> so far im fine with breezy on an old g3 ibook
[08:59] <thellama> (so far)
[09:00] <bipolar> maddler, thellama, BROKEN_LADDER: I'm not afraid of a little rockyness. I'm an experianced admin.
[09:00] <Seveas> hmm, missed tritiums +q
[09:00] <nlogax> QMario, your problem sounds like a Windows Browser problem
[09:00] <thellama> go for it!
[09:00] <apokryphos> Seveas: he's fast. ;-)
[09:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> and heck, you're manac depressive.
[09:00] <bipolar> yep
[09:00] <thellama> i still cant get my airport working....
[09:00] <dmk> breezy is going great here
[09:00] <QMario> BlueEagle, it is interfering. I can now see my network name in the Windows Network place.
[09:01] <LaserLine> BlueEagle :) I have Ubuntu 5.04 - I use Gnome.  I have problem with sound and Pingus. I noticed that if I run it from terminal, it sound sometimes work, If I load from application menu, sound won't work. If I disable sound events in gnome - all is good. Is there a way to work around this ? To fix Frozen-Bubble I installed libsdl1.2debian-all, but in Pingus, i'm clueless...
[09:01] <maddler> bipolar: well... then... if you can afford some instability... do that... :DDDD
[09:01] <QMario> Nlogax, how?
[09:01] <thellama> bipolar: go for it, I love breezy
[09:01] <maddler> bipolar: I did btw! :D
[09:01] <QMario> Nlogax, remember, it is still Window. ;)
[09:01] <thellama> just change you repositories to breezy and voila!
[09:01] <QMario>  Nlogax, remember, it is still Windows. ;)
[09:01] <QMario> Hee hee.
[09:02] <BlueEagle> qmario: Then you've set up samba wrong. :)
[09:02] <thellama> I hate windows...
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> most people here do.
[09:02] <thellama> but I love tiger!
[09:02] <maddler> time to eat smtg... l8r pals!
[09:02] <thellama> byue
[09:02] <QMario> Seveas, what did you do to him?
[09:02] <QMario> BlueEagle, I changed nothing.
[09:02] <BlueEagle> laserline: Which sound chip are you using?
[09:03] <QMario> It worked before, but something happened.
[09:03] <BlueEagle> qmario: You just installed samba and started it?
[09:03] <QMario> No.
[09:03] <thellama> what kind of a name is samba lol
[09:03] <nlogax> Qmario - if machines on your LAN aren't showing up in your Network Neighbourhood it's usually the Windows Browser service (or Samba equivalent) that is borked
[09:03] <LaserLine> BlueEagle It's a laptop with Intel440MX sound - something from Yamaha.
[09:03] <QMario> I've fought with Samba several times.
[09:03] <BlueEagle> qmario: Well, then I do not know. I had so much problems with samba that I changed to NFS. :/
[09:03] <QMario> What did Seveas do to that guy?
[09:03] <thellama> rostet him
[09:03] <funkyHat> is there any program for linux that can extract rar archives?
[09:03] <thellama> *roasted
[09:04] <QMario> What is NFS?
[09:04] <benplaut> unrar
[09:04] <thellama> winrar ;)
[09:04] <funkyHat> that is free
[09:04] <funkyHat> hahaha
[09:04] <funkyHat> :P
[09:04] <QMario> What did that guy do?
[09:04] <funkyHat> network file system
[09:04] <benplaut> QMario, Net File System
[09:04] <Wermut> How can I use the duplex-function of my printer in any application?
[09:04] <BlueEagle> laserline: Well, then I do not know. Appears to be esd and oss that are fighting. Not sure how to fix that.
[09:04] <thellama> how about .sit, .zip etc etc
[09:04] <reiki> Wermut: you need drivers that support the duplex function
[09:04] <nlogax> Qmario it's a Unix netowrk file system - allows you to ount remote filesystems locally
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> BlueEagle you are using oss?
[09:05] <bobbyd> hi
[09:05] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, fix it by not using esd ;)
[09:05] <Wermut> reiki: I mean, in OpenOffice I can enable it in the Print-Setup, but in Firefox/Acrobat/Xpdf I can't
[09:05] <funkyHat> use alsa and aoss
[09:05] <BlueEagle> That's a good question there really. Why is hoary using oss and not alsa by default?
[09:05] <bobbyd> I just nuked my MBR, I have the ubuntu CD botted up, how do I restore my grub config?
[09:05] <BlueEagle> ...and how do I change it in an easy way?
[09:05] <LaserLine> BlueEagle I followed the HowTo make Alsa work in Gnome from Ubuntu Guide, and chose it from the Multimedia Selector, is there a way to make Gnome Sound work with Alsa instead of ESD ? or is there a way to stop using ESD at all ?
[09:05] <reiki> Wermut: what kind of printer
[09:05] <thellama> i just installed sarge on another computer, man I was happy to return to my nice breezy ibook! :)
[09:05] <funkyHat> do you mean esd?
[09:05] <Wermut> Do I have to specify something in the command line? I wasn't able to find out.
[09:06] <Wermut> HP 990C
[09:06] <reiki> Wermut: one sec...
[09:06] <thellama> What I don't understand is how I manage to waste so much time on all this...
[09:06] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, you will need to change it for each application individually, for system sounds it's system > preferences > multimedia systems selector
[09:06] <bobbyd> can I drop to a commend prompt with the cd?
[09:06] <QMario> BlueEagle, I thought Ubuntu Hoary used ESD?
[09:06] <BlueEagle> laserline: Well, ESD also uses alsa (or oss). They are two different lairs in the whole software-hardware-sandwitch
[09:07] <QMario> Is Seveas still here?
[09:07] <BlueEagle> qmario: esd is a deamon. alsa and oss are drivers.
[09:07] <QMario> !Botsnack
[09:07] <ubotu> thanks qmario :)
[09:07] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, but oss can be layered on top of alsa (well, alsa's oss emulation anyway ;))
[09:07] <bipolar> ugh... I've never need esd work right. It's always choppy and garbles things at its whim
[09:07] <QMario> True.
[09:07] <thellama> update on breezy bipolar?
[09:07] <QMario> :(
[09:08] <bipolar> thellama, I'm dist-upgrading now
[09:08] <funkyHat> esd works fine for me, except for a >1 second delay >:(
[09:08] <thellama> ok
[09:08] <funkyHat> so i use alsa and aoss
[09:08] <QMario> Ompaul are you in Britain?
[09:08] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: That's a different issue. When alsa emulates the oss api then it's still alsa that is the driver. But you can have esd think it's talking to an oss driver when in fact it's talking to alsa via oss-emulation.
[09:08] <linuxboy> I get a GPG error when I apt-get update... how can I fix this?
[09:08] <ompaul> QMario, no
[09:08] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, yes :)
[09:08] <thellama> I wish so badly I could install ubuntu on my main computer fo everyday use...
[09:08] <reiki> Wermut: take a look at this. There's a free version and a pay version. Free version should be fine for testing. I'm using a Turboprint driver for my Epson R200 to print directly on CD printable media. There's a Turboprint driver for the HP99xC as well. http://www.turboprint.de/english.html
[09:09] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Still doesn's solve laserlines sound issues. :)
[09:09] <LaserLine> BlueEagle By actually installing libsdl1.2debian-all Sound started to work with Frozen Bubble even with Gnome-Sound turned on. In Pingus, it doesn't seem to do the trick... even while choosing Alsa from the Multimedia Selector in Gnome Settings... By following the guide from Ubuntuguide.org I guess I make ESD use the Alsa Drivers... I didn't find any documentation on the pingus website or at the forums. Getting lost here....
[09:09] <thellama> this ibook is my mom's... good ol' mom..
[09:09] <QMario> Ompaul, then what is wrong with English(USA)?
[09:09] <apokryphos> linuxboy: can you pastebin the errors?
[09:09] <ompaul> cos I'm Irish :)
[09:09] <QMario> Hee hee.
[09:09] <cyphase> hey everyone
[09:09] <QMario> Hello cypase!!! :)
[09:09] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, but not using esd at all does. and possibly they also need to set up dmix
[09:09] <QMario> Hello Zdennis!!! :)
[09:09] <apokryphos> linuxboy: then produce the link here.
[09:09] <funkyHat> i'll go read their question ;)
[09:09] <zdennis> I am trying to install a Cisco VPN Client, but I need the kernel source that was used to build my kernel, I am running kernel-2.6.10-k7
[09:09] <Wermut> reiki: I tried adding -Z duplex or -o duplex to the lp command... Is there really no way? As I said, it works in OO
[09:09] <Madpilot> Wermut: http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[09:09] <zdennis> hey QMario
[09:09] <linuxboy> apokryphos: where is pastebin?
[09:09] <BlueEagle> laserline: Well, I'm not a gnome head (prefer icewm), so I have very little experience debugging eds.
[09:09] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[09:09] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:10] <zdennis> so i installed kernel-source-2.6.10
[09:10] <LaserLine> BlurEagle well thanks anyway :)
[09:10] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: That's an alternative, but would that disable the sounds in gnome?
[09:10] <zdennis> but when i go to install the cisco vpn module, it can't find ".config" or "incude/linux/autoconf.h"
[09:10] <LaserLine> Anybody a Gnome Head :D
[09:10] <LaserLine> ?
[09:10] <zdennis> any ideas of where I shoudl?
[09:10] <thellama> ah! somethings wrong, when I maximize a window, it covers both of my panels...
[09:10] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, then he needs to set the gnome sound system to use alsa
[09:11] <reiki> Wermut: if it works in OOo then your current driver is supporting it. you might try finding out how OOo is printing. Is it using a CUPS driver? I'm afraid that's about all the help I can offer on this
[09:11] <funkyHat> (in the way i said: system > preferences > multimedia systems selector)
[09:11] <LaserLine> funkyHat, That's what I did...
[09:11] <Madpilot> Wermut: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_990C
[09:11] <LaserLine> funkyHat, I followed the Howto in Ubuntuguide.org
[09:11] <Madpilot> reiki: see my post to Wermut above ^^^
[09:11] <LaserLine> funkyHat and installed libsdl1.2debian-all for sound in Frozen-Bubble.
[09:12] <reiki> Madpilot, just saw it. :)
[09:12] <linuxboy> apokryphos: done... getting URL for you now...
[09:12] <Xorlev> !grub
[09:12] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:12] <Wermut> Thanks reiki and Madpilot for the links
[09:12] <D1> any of you guys compile your own kernel using the ubuntu sources?
[09:13] <D1> I dont know if the source is already patched or not
[09:13] <D1> but I have a dir linux-patches
[09:13] <apokryphos> linuxboy: got it. Hm. Interesting.
[09:13] <Subaru> Any chance there is a command to change CPU Frequency Scaling?
[09:13] <bipolar> funkyHat, I always had much better luck with artsd when I used kde.
[09:13] <zdennis> ls
[09:13] <apokryphos> linuxboy: looks like the signature was changed or something for the za mirror
[09:13] <bipolar> I wish gnome would switch to artsd or something else. esd just sucks
[09:13] <Seveas> bipolar, arts sucks harder :)
[09:13] <D1> there was talk before of polyaudio
[09:14] <D1> but that never went through
[09:14] <Seveas> that's still the long-term goal D1
[09:14] <D1> oh
[09:14] <Seveas> but polypaudio still sucks hardest :)
[09:14] <D1> why no implementation though?
[09:14] <D1> hehe
[09:14] <linuxboy> apokryphos: whats the default?
[09:14] <apokryphos> linuxboy: default what? Mirror?
[09:15] <linuxboy> apokryphos: za and us points to the same IP address...
[09:15] <apokryphos> linuxboy: if you're in za you should be using that mirror, essentially.
[09:15] <Subaru> Any chance there is a command to change CPU Frequency Scaling?
[09:15] <funkyHat> LaserLine, ask in #alsa if the driver for your soundcard supports hardware mixing
[09:15] <apokryphos> linuxboy: no they don't
[09:15] <zdennis> QMario, how's everything working out for you?
[09:16] <funkyHat> if not, the issue may be that you need to update to alsa 1.0.9b
[09:16] <funkyHat> also it may be that you need to killall esd
[09:16] <linuxboy> apokryphos: sorry, archive.ubuntu.com and za.archive.ubuntu.com point to the same IPs
[09:16] <apokryphos> as does the GB one :/
[09:17] <Quinthius> if i install totem-xine, do i also need to install xine-ui if i only plan on using totem and not xine independently?
[09:17] <apokryphos> linuxboy: I'd email them and post that error
[09:17] <LaserLine> funkyHat - On this server ?
[09:17] <funkyHat> (well, upgrade to 1.0.9b, or set up DMIX manually, i know which i'd rather do
[09:17] <funkyHat> yeah, this server
[09:17] <linuxboy> apokryphos: the US one also points to those IPs
[09:17] <linuxboy> apokryphos: who?
[09:17] <apokryphos> linuxboy: though, mind you, that's only for security-updates... it shouldn't stop you getting any packages you want, really
[09:17] <linuxboy> apokryphos: do you get the error?
[09:17] <apokryphos> linuxboy: ftpmaster@ubuntu.com
[09:18] <apokryphos> linuxboy: I don't, no, but I'm not using that repository.
[09:18] <linuxboy> apokryphos: i apt-proxy my security updates...
[09:18] <linuxboy> apokryphos: (as you can see by the past)
[09:18] <linuxboy> apokryphos: (as you can see by the paste)
[09:19] <apokryphos> Oh, didn't notice. That could be it.
[09:21] <sven-tex> hi, need some help installing kdissert, it needs uic and i dont know which paket contains the uic bin. on other systems i found it in the qt3 paket
[09:21] <linuxboy> apokryphos: I deleted the Release.gpg from the cache, didn't fix it
[09:21] <johnnyrobo> #conn calindria.org
[09:22] <LaserLine> funkyHat - What should I select at Defaule Source in the Gnome Multimedia Selector ? I chose default sink ALSA
[09:22] <apokryphos> linuxboy: that's not going to help, is it? That's where the key would be stored.
[09:22] <linuxboy> apokryphos: on the server...
[09:22] <apokryphos> though here i have a trustdb.gpg instead
[09:23] <apokryphos> oh
[09:23] <Orby> !tell Orby ati
[09:23] <ompaul> one trivial bug reported
[09:24] <funkyHat> LaserLine, it doesn't matter at all if you're not using a microphone with that card
[09:24] <apokryphos> linuxboy: you can try using the stuff here...
[09:24] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell linuxboy about gpg
[09:24] <linuxboy> apokryphos: I'll check it out. thanx
[09:24] <LaserLine> funkyHat so the Default Sink should be ALSA and the Default Source doesn't matter ? (now it's OSS)
[09:25] <funkyHat> doesn't matter unless you're going to be using audio inputs
[09:25] <funkyHat> and if you are, i don't know what it should be ;)
[09:25] <LaserLine> funkyHat LoL :D
[09:26] <funkyHat> what did the guys over in #alsa say about your card?
[09:26] <LaserLine> funkyHat there are 29 ppl on #alsa but none speaks........
[09:26] <funkyHat> ah
[09:27] <QMario> What does "-b" mean here?
[09:27] <QMario> What does "+b" mean here?
[09:27] <apokryphos> ban
[09:27] <QMario> Hello Hawking!!! :)
[09:27] <apokryphos> -b -- unban; +b -- ban
[09:28] <ompaul> banning - +b if the person leaves they do not get back in and if -b allowed back in - if used with kick then they go and don't come back until an op lets them
[09:28] <bipolar> I'm curous.... when it comes to sound source mixing, how does windows do it? Is it all on the kernel level?
[09:28] <hawking> hi Qmario :)
[09:28] <QMario> Apokryphos, can they do it forever?
[09:28] <Pickle_Weasel> is there a program similar to WinRAR for linux that will let me split a file into 700 MB sections?
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i overtake someone who's using my nick?
[09:28] <apokryphos> QMario: theoretically ;-)
[09:28] <QMario> That is what the people in #Perl did to me in the past.
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> like..use my password to boot him and take it back?
[09:29] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: don't take the guy's in kde
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i won't.
[09:29] <mirak> Pickle_Weasel: winrar works very well with Wine
[09:29] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: "ghost" - /msg nickserv help ghost"
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is on another network.
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[09:29] <Pickle_Weasel> hmm
[09:29] <Pickle_Weasel> ty
[09:29] <zcat[1] > won't tar do multipart archives?
[09:29] <QMario> Apokryphos, do they just ban your nickname or your IP address?
[09:29] <apokryphos> BROKEN_LADDER: it may not be the same on another network.
[09:29] <ompaul> bipolar, sure thats all closed source with an api - why not visit #windows and ask - yes there is such a channel :-/
[09:29] <Madpilot> QMario: ip
[09:29] <apokryphos> QMario: we can do either :). Host, domain, ip etc
[09:30] <ompaul> dazjorz, not i
[09:30] <QMario> Madpilot, so if they had a static IP, they can just keep on changing it and coming back here?
[09:30] <ompaul> dazjorz, it is tolerated not encouraged I believe
[09:31] <Madpilot> QMario: maybe, not sure. I think Freenode already blocks known proxies, so that route's out already
[09:31] <QMario>  Or dynamic using a modem?
[09:31] <Robw> does anyone know the username and password for the livedvd?
[09:31] <ompaul> dazjorz, and well you may ask why the PRO of a Lug would know that, I went there to see if there was one day and was shocked
[09:31] <Robw> i have tried everything
[09:31] <QMario> !Botsnack
[09:31] <ubotu> :)
[09:31] <Xorlev> You know what I'm confused about? gkrellmd is using more CPU time than Xorg. That sorta worries me.
[09:32] <QMario> Can you be banned just because the people in the channel don't like you?
[09:32] <apokryphos> QMario: watch out now -- don't spoil him. =)
[09:32] <dazjorz> ompaul: haha
[09:32] <QMario> Apokryphos, spoil who?
[09:32] <apokryphos> QMario: why, the dear bot.
[09:32] <Robw> anyone?
[09:33] <QMario> Of course not! ;)
[09:33] <QMario> Ubotu is nice.
[09:33] <ubotu> QMario: Wish i knew
[09:33] <ompaul> hahaha
[09:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> QMario Ubuntu is better.
[09:33] <Alderan> his
[09:33] <QMario> Is Ubuntu a robot too? ;)
[09:33] <Madpilot> QMario: not here, you couldn't
[09:34] <QMario> Madpilot, huh?
[09:34] <QMario> I am not trying to do anything wrong here.
[09:34] <QMario> You guys are tolerant.
[09:34] <Madpilot> QMario: "Can you be banned just because the people in the channel don't like you?" - not here
[09:34] <ompaul> QMario, no it is people usually using live CDs
[09:34] <Madpilot> !tell QMario about conduct
[09:34] <Chris_Tucker> i am having a problem with my display when not in gdm/kdm .. when in pureterm (on boot or when selecting it/ even in install) the image on my screen is shifted down and part of what should be on the bottom appears on the top..
[09:35] <QMario> Oh, cool. I never knew that apokryphos. :)
[09:35] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, the only time I had that before it was a physical setting on a FreeBSD box several years ago with some mad video card
[09:35] <Wermut> reiki, Madpilot: If you are still there: Seems that some information on the web is outdated; however, the CUPS manual (http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sum.html#4_1_3) states the option is -o sides=two-sided-long-edge. Thanks for giving me those links.
[09:36] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul did you find a solution without changeing the card?
[09:36] <Chris_Tucker> this is on a laptop with a nice widescreen
[09:36] <Chris_Tucker> SiS video though.. only big downfall of the notebook
[09:36] <Madpilot> Wermut: interesting... printer setup is one of those areas that needs work in Linux - but with an HP you should be OK, because HP actually support Linux print drivers...
[09:37] <ounas> it seems that kde-look is down,is it?
[09:38] <QMario> Why are the people at the programming channels intolerant of people? :'(
[09:39] <Chris_Tucker> nope, kde-look works for me
[09:39] <apokryphos> QMario: the developer channels are not help channels, really.
[09:39] <Wermut> Madpilot: Yep, it took definetly too much time to get it working. One problem is, that every application uses another screen for printer setup; therefore you have to manually edit the command for every application
[09:39] <bris> salut
[09:39] <ounas> strange have not been able to for days
[09:39] <Wermut> That's too much for somebody who just wants to print a file.
[09:39] <apokryphos> Chris_Tucker: looks like it just went up. Excellent stuff.
[09:39] <Robw> does anyone know the username and password for the livedvd?
[09:40] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, yeah I used the physical screen settings to limit the width of the screen and height until I got it right however that impacted X so I centred X and then adjusted the console a bit messy less screen than I would have liked for both but it worked
[09:40] <Madpilot> Wermut: I know the GIMP does it's own printer stuff, but for me, everything else (OO, PDF printing, etc) has used the basic printer setup
[09:40] <vader1102> erm what is the command for un-tarring something?
[09:40] <ompaul> Robw, there should not be one
[09:40] <QMario> Apokryphos, true. ;)
[09:40] <Robw> ompaul
[09:41] <Robw> it prompts me for a username
[09:41] <Robw> and password
[09:41] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul do you mean you centered the X system or you used the physical settings on the monitor?
[09:41] <thellama> how can I change the setting for default browser?
[09:41] <Wermut> Madpilot: It uses the basic printer setup, but there is no easy way for a linux novice to switch options on and off in applications like firefox, acrobat etc.
[09:42] <thellama> I want opera to be my default browser, right now it's firefox
[09:42] <thellama> how do I change that?
[09:42] <hawking> opera >> firefox
[09:42] <Chris_Tucker> i'll be back in a bit
[09:43] <Robw> it's 5.04
[09:43] <Robw> if it makes a difference
[09:43] <Xorlev> kirqd - for some reason is using 87% of one of my CPUs:846 root      25   0     0    0    0 R 87.0  0.0 877:46.39 kirqd
[09:43] <Xorlev> Any ideas?
[09:44] <Madpilot> Wermut: yeah, if you're doing duplex & stuff, that probably needs work. And it helps to remember that the GIMP pre-dates a lot of the current printer-config stuff - GIMP *invented* a lot of that suff in Linux!
[09:46] <ompaul> physical but then he ain't here for that
[09:46] <Madpilot> later, all
[09:47] <ompaul> Robw, try ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:48] <Dr_Away> where can i get libdivx4linux and lame?
[09:48] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install lame
[09:49] <lsuactiafner> anyone know how to configure your keyboard so that you can change it completely eg ctrl m = \ in a text  editor
[09:49] <lsuactiafner> ?
[09:49] <thellama> how do i change my default browser?
[09:49] <jeffsch> thellama: System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
[09:49] <thellama> thanks
[09:50] <Dr_Net> couldn't fine package lame
[09:50] <Dr_Net> *find
[09:50] <ompaul> !tell DR_Net about restricted
[09:50] <ompaul> DR_NET that may help you some
[09:50] <Xeta> hi there i was wondering how i would fully customise my keyboard to add shortcuts of my choice not these predefined ones given to me ?
[09:50] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : know anything about changing keyboard maps? hear its something to do with gnome? i dont have gnome running so cant check for my friend
 i was wondering how i would fully customise my keyboard to add shortcuts of my choice not these predefined ones given
 there's definitely a lot to read ^^
[09:51] <lsuactiafner>           to me ?
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> argh its here..
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> heh
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> <-- me : Xeta
[09:51] <ompaul> Dr_Net, na - it comes down to about 10 lines of instruction but read it carefully
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> libcss or something
[09:52] <Robw> ompaul no that doesn't work
[09:52] <emile> keyboard shortcuts are in system, preferences, keyboard shortcuts
[09:52] <Chris_Tucker> ompaul? how did you center your X?
[09:52] <ompaul> physical but then he ain't here for that
[09:53] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, you were gone :)
[09:53] <ompaul> so monitor buttons
[09:53] <Chris_Tucker> yes i was
[09:53] <ompaul> you went for a min :)
[09:53] <Chris_Tucker> there are no monitor buttons on a notebook >.<
[09:53] <ompaul> Chris_Tucker, yuk
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> lol
[09:53] <Chris_Tucker> i need to change the default first like that X uses
[09:54] <Chris_Tucker> like -20 or so >.<
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> what kind of laptop?
[09:54] <Chris_Tucker> Acer
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> where is the keyboard shortcuts .conf file located?
[09:55] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, in gconf
[09:55] <ompaul> robw it does with breezy just tested it which is why I hoped it would work for you ... i suggest a little time with search on wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:55] <ompaul> robw sorry I have no other solution for you
[09:55] <Discipulus> http://data-storm.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=329
[09:55] <Robw> i got breezy
[09:56] <ompaul> robw as a liveCD ?
[09:57] <ompaul> Discipulus, true and sad :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: bonjour :)
[09:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, howya
[09:57] <marcin_ant> ohh #ubuntu finally
[09:57] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: cut of for 4 days - cabling problem at the exchange
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> thanks Seveas
[09:57] <marcin_ant> I got a question - is this possible to install ati fglrx driver on ubuntu breezy?
[09:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I was beginning to wonder
[09:58] <thoreauputic> ompaul: withdrawal was in full evidence ;)
[09:58] <kandoora_> has anyone tried installing scribus
[09:58] <thoreauputic> ompaul: made me realise how much I rely on the net
[09:59] <ompaul> thoreauputic, lets take this to the side
[09:59] <__filip_> i have 119 track in rhytmbox, i cant add more tracks. Should it be like this?
[09:59] <kandoora_> thoreauputic: i gotta problem can you help me out
[09:59] <thoreauputic> kandoora_: not righ this minute, sorry :)
[10:00] <juanej> how do i update locate db?
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> run updatedb
[10:00] <juanej> thx
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> but it should automatically run everday
[10:01] <ompaul> kandoora_, (A) which version of ubuntu (B) have you done apt-get update and then apt-get install scribus?
[10:01] <juanej> ok
[10:01] <marcin_ant> so anyone?
[10:02] <juanej> did warty use xorg or xfree86?
[10:02] <marcin_ant> no one here uses ati drivers and breezy
[10:02] <ompaul> xfree
[10:02] <marcin_ant> ?
[10:03] <__filip_> what music player you use?
[10:03] <juanej> quod libet
[10:03] <adriyel_prodigy> BMP
[10:03] <adriyel_prodigy> juanej, latin?
[10:03] <bl4ckb1t> xmms
[10:03] <adriyel_prodigy> quod = because
[10:03] <juanej> thats the name of the player hehe
[10:03] <juanej> its like rhythmbox
[10:03] <juanej> but better
[10:04] <bl4ckb1t> hi, anybody speak in spanish ?
[10:04] <kandoora_> i tried installing ubuntu
[10:04] <kandoora_> it couldn't find some dependencies
[10:04] <juanej> bl4ckb1t, yo
[10:04] <adriyel_prodigy> no hablo espanol.
[10:04] <kandoora_> i tried to install the dependencies
[10:04] <kandoora_> it uninstalled a whole lot of other softwares
[10:05] <Chris_Tucker> i need drivers for a broadcom wifi adaptor
[10:06] <juanej> how do i upgrade to xorg if im using xfree?
[10:06] <bl4ckb1t> hola juanej, che te hago una pregunta
[10:06] <bl4ckb1t> tenes idea de donde puedo sacar un tuto sobre el firewall Firestarter
[10:06] <Dethread> english please
[10:06] <juanej> lol
[10:07] <adriyel_prodigy> not likely Dethread, theres a reason they are speaking spanish
[10:07] <Dethread> :)
[10:07] <reiki> !es
[10:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:07] <reiki> :)
[10:07] <Quinthius> haha
[10:08] <juanej> !japanese
[10:08] <ubotu> juanej: Are you on ritalin?
[10:08] <Xanthus7> is there a way to have have myself identify to server automatically without having to type it everytime
[10:08] <Quinthius> XandriX: in xchat?
[10:08] <Xanthus7> yes
[10:08] <reiki> Xanthus7, normally you can do thaqt in your irc client
[10:08] <Xanthus7> I know how to in mirc but cannot find that in x-chat
[10:08] <Quinthius> XandriX: X-Chat menu -> server list, highlight ubuntu servers (or freenode or whatever), click edit
[10:09] <Quinthius> err xanthus
[10:09] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone has any knowledge of getting a "upload" directory up and running with vsftpd ?
[10:09] <kandoora_> where can i get qt libraries
[10:09] <benplaut> !qt
[10:09] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> !sex
[10:09] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Wish i knew
[10:09] <Quinthius> Xanthus7: add password to "nickserv password" line, or add your nickserv id command to "connect command"
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> i bet he does..
[10:09] <benplaut> :P
[10:10] <benplaut> or t is a she?
[10:10] <reiki> ubotu is a sexless automaton :)
[10:10] <ubotu> Wish i knew, reiki
[10:10] <reiki> hmmm... didn
[10:10] <reiki> t know that'd get a response
[10:10] <benplaut> bah... don't play with the bot
[10:11] <kandoora_> ubotu: can i apt-get it
[10:11] <ubotu> kandoora_: Are you smoking crack?
[10:11] <adriyel_prodigy> please don't feed the bot, thank you - Administration
[10:11] <reiki> benplaut, I do apologize for my part. I didn't realize just starting a line with bot's name would get a response. I thought you had to use a special character first
[10:11] <kandoora_> ubotu: no why do u ask that
[10:11] <ubotu> kandoora_: Are you on ritalin?
[10:11] <Seveas> kandoora_, omg read
[10:11] <Seveas> the thing is a bot
[10:12] <Chris_Tucker> i need drivers for a broadcom wifi adaptor
[10:12] <Seveas> Chris_Tucker, you need ndiswrapper
[10:12] <reiki> Seveas: can you make it NOT respond unless the special leading character is typed before its name?
[10:12] <Fanskapet> Chris_Tucker inbuilt? if that's the case ndiswrapper
[10:12] <typo> I'm using just a few Qt apps in my Ubuntu desktop and I can't type accented characters in them (it turns ou gibberish). Anyone know how I can fix this?
[10:12] <Xanthus7> Cool that worked thank you all
[10:12] <Seveas> reiki, I can't -- ask cafuego
[10:12] <reiki> ahhh... okies... it's an eggy?
[10:13] <kandoora_> Seveas: can u help me out
[10:13] <reiki> cafuego: you alive?
[10:13] <kevogod> uboto: Hey dog.
[10:13] <kevogod> u
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : if i get the colony-3 iso, would it enable me to upgrade to it, and distupgrade from there to the stable breezy?
[10:14] <Chris_Tucker> ubotu: ndiswrapper
[10:14] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:14] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, yes
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> since i have nothing to download now so i might as well start to download the updates
[10:14] <Seveas> but don't get C-3
[10:14] <Seveas> C-4 is just released
[10:14] <Gobbla_> hey, i cant install my hp deskjet 5552 printer, what should i do?
[10:14] <Gobbla_> i cant find the driver
[10:14] <gusto5> Gobbla, go to linuxprinting.org
[10:14] <ubuntulnx> anyone knows howto make totem-xine read a network ahead whilst playing what it has downloaded? can't find any options...
[10:14] <gusto5> look for the driver there..
[10:15] <Fanskapet> hmm so anyone here is using vsftpd? :/
[10:15] <Gobbla_> gusto5: thx
[10:15] <Seveas> Fanskapet, yes, I am
[10:15] <lsuactiafner> thanks Seveas
[10:15] <gusto5> no problem, Gobbla
[10:16] <Fanskapet> Seveas, i have some real problems trying to get a upload dir working.
[10:16] <Fanskapet> it just refuses
[10:16] <ubuntulnx> [rephrase]  anyone knows howto make totem-xine read a file over a network whilst playing what it has downloaded? can't find any options...
[10:16] <Gobbla_> DeskJet 5550
[10:16] <Gobbla_> DeskJet 5551
[10:16] <kandoora_> ompaul, can u help me on scribus
[10:16] <Gobbla_> is also there
[10:16] <Gobbla_> but not 5552
[10:16] <Gobbla_> :(
[10:16] <kandoora_> ompaul, have u tried it
[10:16] <reiki> Gobbla: sec....
[10:16] <gusto5> Gobbla, Hp Deskjet 5552 is your model right?
[10:16] <Gobbla_> yes
[10:16] <Gobbla_> atleast is says so :)
[10:17] <Gobbla_> on the front, i dont think its a typo :)
[10:17] <Gobbla_> reiki: sure thing..
[10:17] <Seveas> Fanskapet, anon upload?
[10:17] <Fanskapet> Seveas not anonymous
[10:17] <Fanskapet> using virtual users
[10:18] <typo> anyone know why Qt programs in ubuntu can't show accented characters when I input like "" or ""?
[10:18] <reiki> Gobbla_: if you have no luck at linuxprining.org... try www.turboprint.de/english.html   the HP 555x series is supported
[10:18] <chrisbudden14> I have samba set up, can access windows shares on linux, can see the linux machine from windows but damn win 98 is trying to connect to linux using IPC$
[10:18] <gusto5> Gobbla, if reiki's suggestion doesnt work, then go with the 5551. im told its a rule of thumb to go down the numbers
[10:18] <Seveas> Fanskapet, ah ok, dunno about that...
[10:18] <reiki> Gobbla, there's a free version and a pay version of Turboprint drivers
[10:18] <Fanskapet> Seveas, http://pastebin.com/355521
[10:18] <typo> it seams they are inputing just fine but failing when displaying and showing giberish instead. They're probably configured for latin1 display
[10:18] <Fanskapet> just gives me permission denied.
[10:19] <kandoora_> has anyone had trouble installing scribus
[10:19] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[10:19] <Gobbla_> hmm what's best
[10:19] <Gobbla_> to go with turbodriver or 5551?
[10:19] <Seveas> Fanskapet, I have absolute 0 experience with virtual users on vsftpd, sorry
[10:19] <gusto5> reiki, do you know another site that supports okidata printer drivers other than linuxprinting?
[10:19] <Fanskapet> agh
[10:19] <Lars_G> Little question, is there any way to tell apt-get to clean (forget) the list of packages pending install? there are packages I don't want to install so I want to purge the pending list.
[10:19] <Gobbla_> reiki: what's the difference with pay and free version?
[10:20] <reiki> Gobbla, try the 5551 drivers first. If they don't work tehn try turboprint drivers
[10:20] <ompaul> kandoora_, sorry did you try to install it from CD or internet?
[10:20] <Gobbla_> ok, thank you for your help
[10:20] <reiki> gusto5: no... unfortunately I do not. I onlt know about the Turboprint drivers because I needed to use them for my Epson R200 in order to get printing on printable CD media working
[10:20] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : heh i got colony-3, is there a diff system effect to change the iso into 4? since they should be similar?
[10:20] <gusto5> oh ok, thanks reiki
[10:21] <kandoora_> om
[10:21] <kandoora_> ompaul, internet
[10:21] <ompaul> kandoora_, so apt-get did not work
[10:21] <gary> hello all
[10:21] <kandoora_> ompaul, had lot of dependencies issues
[10:21] <reiki> Gobbla_: I honestly didn't see a difference. I paid after using for a week because... well... because I was using them and so far it's the only thing about my Ubuntu system I've had to pay for... unlike my old Windows system where I had to pay every time I farted
[10:22] <Lars_G> please?
[10:22] <ompaul> kandoora_, how did you try to install it?
[10:22] <kandoora_> synaptic manager
[10:23] <rp78> hi all
[10:23] <ompaul> kandoora_, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:23] <ompaul> kandoora_, I have to go for a few minutes I will look at that in a few minutes
[10:24] <Chris_Tucker> how do i get my system to display at 1280x800? i tried setting that to be the *only* option in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf under depth 24, which is set to the default, but it is not useing this resolution
[10:24] <twibbler> could anybody tell me where to get additional fonts from please . especially trebuchet ...
[10:24] <crimsun> twibbler: msttcorefonts in multiverse
[10:24] <twibbler> thank you crimsum
[10:25] <reiki> !msttfcorefonts
[10:25] <ubotu> reiki: Are you smoking crack?
[10:25] <gary> Who has sucessfully used WINE?
[10:25] <Chris_Tucker> i hsbr
[10:25] <Chris_Tucker> *have
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> wine can be very handy at times
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> ueless at others
[10:26] <Lars_G> duh
[10:26] <Foook> i have a hd dual booting fedora and xp, i have just inserted a new 80Gb hd, If I install Ubuntu on that will it nuke my boot loader?
[10:26] <gary> Is it hard to install?
[10:26] <Lars_G> "apt-get remove" worked
[10:26] <reiki> personally... I didn't go through this Ubuntu install so that I could run windows programs. :)
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> i got colony-3, is there a diff system effect to change the iso into 4? since they should be similar?
[10:27] <gary> I know but I am a loan officer and need to run Caylx Point on my Notebook.
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> wine is trivial to insall as is most stuff in ubuntu  :P
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install wine
[10:28] <Lars_G> gary: Wine is very simple to install.
[10:28] <gary> what about the graphical interface?
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> wine dosent have one, :P really.
[10:28] <Lars_G> gary: Altough, if your install fails to run your program, there is a commercial alternative that might help you: http://www.codeweavers.com
[10:28] <Lars_G> Wine doesn't has a gui.
[10:28] <Lars_G> It really has no need for one.
[10:29] <Maikeru> hmm
[10:29] <gary> How much is codeweavers.
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> ther are some front ends to wine. Like Point2Play (well thats Cedega)
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> but the normal wine. its a simple 'wine whatever.exe'
[10:30] <gary> O.K, that sounds like that might work for me.
[10:30] <Chris_Tucker> how do i get my system to display at 1280x800? i tried setting that to be the *only* option in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf under depth 24, which is set to the default, but it is not useing this resolution once the user logs in
[10:30] <gary> I have been running 100% Ubuntu Linux for 2 weeks and I love it.
[10:30] <theeil> how do i get the debian menu?
[10:30] <Chris_Tucker> and the option isnt appearing in the dialog for resolution
[10:31] <Orby> ummm can i have some help with my laptop, it has a ATI Mobility X300 PCI-E graphics card, i've tried installing the binary drivers but after i have changed xorg.conf i just get a black screen, at login, i know it is working cos  hear the sound GDM makes, also if i plug in an external monitor i can kinda see it, as its running 1280x800 the monitor doesnt like it but i can just make out a gdm login screen, i read that i might need to put in monitor
[10:31] <Quinthius> is there a way to fix the 1-second delay when playing sounds using esd? or should i just disable esd and use alsa directly?
[10:32] <Foook> i have a hd dual booting fedora and xp, i have just inserted a new 80Gb hd, If I install Ubuntu on that will it nuke my boot loader?
[10:32] <Gobbla_> worked just fine on text... but i dont seem to able to choose if I wanna print with my color or black ink..
[10:32] <twibbler> Quinthius: had major problems with esd and certain packages so disabled and used alsa now all works bar mixing sounds..
[10:33] <Pickle_Weasel> how woudl i be able to fix this error?
[10:33] <Pickle_Weasel> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/libwine_0.0.20050419-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch
[10:33] <Quinthius> twibbler: yeah... not too worried about sound mixing though... infact sometimes i find it annoying :)
[10:33] <Pickle_Weasel> i've gotten it several times while trying to install several files now
[10:33] <twibbler> Quinthius: so drop esd and use alsa ... only way fro skype to work anyway.... like me dont use mixing ...
[10:33] <Quinthius> twibbler: what was your method for disabling? just uncheck sound server in preferences->sound ?
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> Pickle_Weasel : means the ppl maintaining the package uploaded the wrong md5sum or your package got currupted in the transfer
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> Pickle_Weasel : delete the libwine_0.0.20050419-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb from your system and try to download it again
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> if error persists file a bug report
[10:34] <Chris_Tucker> and the option isnt appearing in the dialog for resolution
[10:34] <Chris_Tucker> how do i get my system to display at 1280x800? i tried setting that to be the *only* option in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf under depth 24, which is set to the default, but it is not useing this resolution once the user logs in
[10:34] <Pickle_Weasel> will do
[10:34] <Pickle_Weasel> ty
[10:35] <twibbler> Quinthius: gstreamer-properties and change from esd to alsa then need to kill esd then disable permanently but cant remember that command ...
[10:36] <Quinthius> twibbler: ahh sounds like a roundabout way of same thing... i think unchecking "enable sound server" in preferences->sound disables esd... seems to anyway
[10:36] <theeil> how do i get the Applications->Debian menu?
[10:37] <twibbler> Quinthius Nice ... it does definetly sound like a long way round, but sometimes like the command line,   had to much of these window look alikes ..... :)
[10:37] <Quinthius> hehe
[10:37] <QMario> ping #QMario
[10:37] <gusto5> anyone here own an okidata printer?
[10:38] <InitMass> will totem still be the default mediaplayer in breezy?
[10:38] <QMario> How do I draw a line of best-fit in OpenOffice2 Calc or OpenOffice Spreadsheet?
[10:39] <gusto5> ive installed the printer driver and setup my okidata OL 600e, but it still refuses to print
[10:39] <thrice`> QMario, probably not the best channel for that
[10:39] <Quinthius> InitMass: if they are sticking with gnome-based defaults then i assume so... except totem in the new gnome will have a lot of improvements
[10:39] <twibbler> QMario ... maybe need open office wiki for that one ... wife says use a wobbly ruler ...
[10:39] <QMario> Sorry thrice`.
[10:39] <linukso> theeil: sudo aptitude install menu
[10:39] <thrice`> =] 
[10:39] <QMario> I think a person name "xs" is spamming me.
[10:40] <zcat[1] > whois xs
[10:40] <QMario> Who or what is "xs"?
[10:40] <zcat[1] > == ..( ircname  : nothing can stop me now.
[10:40] <HappyFool> QMario: try     /mode QMario +CE      --might help
[10:40] <QMario> ping #QMario
[10:40] <QMario> Whois xs
[10:40] <f_newton> so how is the upcoming release of breezy coming along?
[10:41] <rp78> where can i download the dvd iso of ubuntu
[10:41] <HappyFool> rp78: tried www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[10:41] <rp78> and what is its size
[10:41] <theeil> linukso: already the newest version
[10:41] <apokryphos> rp78: releases.ubuntu.com
[10:41] <QMario> !Office
[10:41] <ubotu> QMario: I haven't a clue
[10:41] <QMario> !Botsnack
[10:41] <ubotu> :)
[10:42] <ompaul> if anyone sees kandoora_ coming in tell him/her that their sources.list is very wrong, they should reinstall and then take instruction
[10:42] <apokryphos> rp78: around 2.5 gigs
[10:42] <ompaul> if they have installed more than scribus
[10:42] <rp78> is it the bitTorrent
[10:43] <Dr_Net> silly question: do you need to be online to get mp3 codecs and stuff? or it's on the cd
[10:43] <mjr> Dr_Net, not on the cd
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> Dr_Net,  not on the cd.
[10:43] <crimsun> Dr_Net: you need to download the deb somehow.
[10:43] <crimsun> rp78: yes
[10:43] <bmecoli-> hmm... I have a timidity server running and everything, but still no music in lxdoom
[10:43] <lllmanulll> Is it not on the CD for copyright issues ?
[10:43] <mjr> lllmanulll, patent issues
[10:44] <lllmanulll> mjr, I see, thanks
[10:44] <rp78> 2.5 gig is so big
[10:44] <apokryphos> hence it's on a DVD
[10:44] <QMario> Ch Ch Ch Chhia 
[10:45] <apokryphos> rp78: I gave you the link.
[10:45] <ompaul> QMario, thanks
[10:46] <Dr_Net> i did enable repositoreies, but still have nothing when i search for "lame, or gstreamer0.8-mad"
[10:46] <juanej> Where can i find info about a parport scanner?
[10:46] <ompaul> whats with these characters outside some of the text?
[10:46] <kemik> Dr_Net:  updated?
[10:46] <ompaul> QMario, what client are you using?
, pressed reload
[10:47] <kemik> then you've most likely done something wrong
[10:47] <gusto5> is anyone familar with samba here?
[10:47] <kemik> added the wrong repos. or misspelled something etc
[10:47] <kemik> !anyone
[10:47] <ubotu> hmm... anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[10:47] <Dr_Net> i see
[10:47] <papyrus2> Hi
[10:47] <papyrus2> I have a laptop with intel 915 chipset
[10:47] <papyrus2> I compile last alsa driver
[10:48] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the latest version(s) of ubuntu?  I have 5.04, and I forget if that's warty or hoary.
[10:48] <A-L-P-H-A> and what's jigit now?
[10:48] <Maikeru> anyone in here use madwifi and void11?
[10:48] <papyrus2> like the wiki says : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto?highlight=%28hda%29%7C%28intel%29
[10:48] <Maikeru> If so, can you please help
[10:48] <Dr_Net> when i pres reload, it shows me that it tries to connect to websites
[10:48] <papyrus2> module are launched
[10:49] <papyrus2> I have enable sound with the mixer
[10:49] <Quinthius> A-L-P-H-A: hoary is 5.04
[10:49] <papyrus2> but I have no sound :(
[10:49] <bimberi> A-L-P-H-A: 5.04 is hoary - and is the current, breezy is nearly in pre-release
[10:49] <crimsun> papyrus2: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:50] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, are you there?
[10:50] <papyrus2> crimsun : cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:50] <papyrus2> 0 [Intel          ] : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[10:50] <papyrus2>                      HDA Intel at 0xfebf8000 irq 16
[10:50] <crimsun> papyrus2: good. Now paste the output from amixer onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:50] <kemik> Dr_Net:  but nothing happens or what ?
[10:51] <kemik> Dr_Net:  exit synaptic and bring up a terminal
[10:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Quinthius, bimberi, thanks.
[10:51] <QMario> Ompaul, huh?
[10:51] <rp78> anyone knows whats the right version of libmad to download to use gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.10-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[10:51] <crimsun> rp78: that's breezy's
[10:51] <papyrus2> crimsun : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1935
[10:51] <QMario> !Safe
[10:51] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, QMario
[10:51] <crimsun> rp78: you want hoary's
[10:51] <QMario> !Language
[10:51] <ubotu> QMario: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[10:51] <FibreOptic> How do I make a directory that anyone who logs in can read/write to?
[10:52] <crimsun> rp78: Candidate: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4
[10:52] <the4bagger> what is the full command for copying a file from one directory to another?
[10:52] <difeta> hey all, does anybody know if the ubuntu live cd has gparted on it?
[10:52] <ompaul> QMario, why the hu - the last comment was so long ago I don't know which one you are asking about
[10:52] <crimsun> rp78: you know it's as simple as apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:52] <the4bagger> difeta, you mean qparted?
[10:52] <ompaul> QMario, which irc client
[10:52] <difeta> the4bagger, no, gparted, but if qparted is included thats fine too
[10:53] <crimsun> papyrus2: some output seems to be missing
[10:53] <bimberi> difeta: i'm fairly sure it doesn't (or qtparted either) :(
[10:53] <papyrus2> rp78 : if you want to do some multimedia with gstreamer install gstreame-ffmpeg then gst-register ;-)
[10:53] <papyrus2> crimsun : huh ?
[10:53] <papyrus2> crimsun : gonna check
[10:53] <crimsun> papyrus2: Master, External Amplifier, etc.
[10:54] <papyrus2> crimsun : I haven't
[10:54] <ompaul> Seveas, pm?
[10:54] <papyrus2> crimsun : running asus  laptop right now
[10:54] <QMario> Tell this guy "xs" what safe language is.
[10:54] <Seveas> ompaul, bmg
[10:54] <difeta> bimberi, thats ok, I'll use knoppix then
[10:54] <crimsun> papyrus2: you can't just upgrade alsa-driver if you use upstream 1.0.10rc1. You must also upgrade alsa-lib and alsa-utils.
[10:54] <QMario> You will have to instant message him.
[10:54] <papyrus2> crimsun : arf
[10:54] <icewt> !esd
[10:54] <ubotu> esd is, like, Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[10:54] <bimberi> difeta: good idea :)
[10:54] <papyrus2> crimsun : I have recompiled my own :(
[10:55] <the4bagger> can somebody please give me the code to copy a file from one directory to another?
[10:55] <icewt> hmm.. where is the esd tweaking howto?
[10:55] <cory> Can someone help me, I need to install Java Runtime Environment, where can I find a copy for Ubuntu?
[10:55] <Seveas> the4bagger, cp /path/to/file /path/to/new/dir/
[10:55] <the4bagger> thank you
[10:55] <papyrus2> crimsun : 3 outputs : headphone,microphone, aand input audio
[10:55] <zcat[1] > which is native to kde, esd or artsd?
[10:55] <Seveas> cory, seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:56] <Seveas> zcat[1] , neither
[10:56] <papyrus2> crimsun : same probleme here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22696&highlight=Intel+915g
[10:56] <cory> Thank you seveas
[10:56] <Seveas> ehm narf
[10:56] <crimsun> papyrus2: did you compile all three packages?
[10:56] <Seveas> misread that
[10:56] <Seveas> artsd is native to kde
[10:56] <QMario> Ubotu, tell xs about ubotu.
[10:56] <gusto5> hello everyone, how do i make ubuntu see the right Microsoft network? i have samba installed, an windows shared folder setup
[10:56] <TrekCycling> does anyone here use WIFI?
[10:56] <mpm2> how do I kill a cdrom drive if it's not mounted and won't eject?
[10:56] <TrekCycling> I've tried both ubuntu and CentOS and no dice
[10:56] <TrekCycling> even with just WEP
[10:56] <zcat[1] > I always seem to have artsd running but most of my software is trying to use esd or oss :(
[10:56] <papyrus2> crimsun : yep alsa-driver,alsa-lib and alsa-oss and alsa-utils
[10:57] <papyrus2> TrekCycling : I have heard that Wep ascii not work well with current iwconfig try to use Wep in hexa
[10:57] <cory> Seveas, I went to download it and was prompted for a username and password
[10:57] <gusto5> how do i make ubuntu see the right Microsoft network? i have samba installed, an windows shared folder setup
[10:57] <crimsun> papyrus2: it should work fine then.
[10:57] <crimsun> papyrus2: does aplay work?
[10:57] <Seveas> cory, send me a username and password in a private message
[10:57] <shinu> how do i check if something is using my soundcard?
[10:58] <papyrus2> crimsun : all multimedia app works
[10:58] <papyrus2> crimsun : but no sound :(
[10:58] <gusto5> anyone? samba help?
[10:58] <mpm2> my cdrom just keeps spinning and spinning and I can't eject it because it's not mounted... i'm not sure what's going on, but i manually ejected it once (via paperclip) and the system got all messed up
[10:58] <crimsun> papyrus2: then you need to mute capture elements
[10:58] <papyrus2> crimsun : perhaps
[10:58] <papyrus2> crimsun : gonna check
[10:59] <crimsun> papyrus2: the problem with clobbering Ubuntu's ALSA infrastructure by installing your own compiled ALSA packages from upstream is that it often does that.
[10:59] <papyrus2> crimsun : ah
[11:00] <Lordphyn> I was trying to tunnel ssh over samba and can't quite recall what I did to change things, but now samba (without ssh) is timing out when I try to connect--any help?
[11:00] <bimberi> Seveas: It's nice to be able to see blackbird again.  Evidently it was too popular recently :)
[11:01] <Seveas> bimberi, ?
[11:01] <Seveas> it's never been taken down
[11:01] <Seveas> only when I sleep (the thing is near my bed)
[11:01] <bimberi> Seveas: I tried to connect a few days ago (to get the java debs) - but it timed out
[11:01] <Seveas> I must have slept then :)
[11:02] <bimberi> Seveas: i suspect traffic
[11:02] <Seveas> neh, traffic is never too high
[11:02] <Seveas> due to strict access control to the java debs :)
[11:02] <bimberi> Seveas: is the access control a recent introduction?
[11:03] <ringe> I've got Postfix/ldap working fine, but mailman doesn't handle the situation. The logs are saying
[11:03] <ringe> post to mailman from mailman-bounces@DOMAIN.no, size=987, message-id=<mailman.0.1125954050.25192.mailman@DOMAIN.no>, 1 failures
[11:03] <QMario> !It does not work
[11:03] <ubotu> QMario: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:03] <QMario> !It doesn't work
[11:03] <ubotu> QMario: Are you smoking crack?
[11:04] <QMario> !Ubotu
[11:04] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:04] <QMario> !Play
[11:04] <ubotu> All work and no play. Please don't play with me in the channel; experiment with me in /msg
[11:04] <Seveas> bimberi, no it's been there since a few days after I put the java debs
[11:04] <Seveas> since traffic was getting so high I could not surf :)
[11:04] <bimberi> Seveas: ah, k, must have been something else
[11:04] <bimberi> Seveas: gawd, how did you function? :)
[11:05] <Seveas> I introduced access control :)
[11:05] <davmor2> is anyone else having problems with the media capabilities of totem for online media.  I keep getting totem could not play fd://0 There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins.  It's an mpeg file if I download it it will play.
[11:05] <bimberi> :)
[11:05] <Seveas> anyhow, i'm working on an ubuntu presentation for software freedom day, so i'm afk
[11:05] <dave41> salut
[11:06] <QMario> Huh?
[11:06] <spokeydokey> salut
[11:06] <Seveas> don't play with it..
[11:06] <kevogod> Software Freedom Day?
[11:06] <dave41> salut a tous
[11:06] <crimsun> dave41: are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[11:06] <Seveas> dave41, bonsoir! Le canal #ubuntu est anglais
[11:06] <Seveas> !fr
[11:06] <ubotu> [fr]  Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[11:06] <crimsun> dave41: sorry
[11:06] <crimsun> davmor2: ^^
[11:06] <papyrus2> crimsun : thanks for thehelp
[11:06] <crimsun> np
[11:07] <papyrus2> crimsun : I will come back for the news about breezy ;-)
[11:07] <crimsun> excellent
[11:07] <QMario> Sorry.
[11:07] <davmor2> crimsun totem-gstreamer it is weird though because if I download any of the files they play
[11:08] <QMario> Seriously. Do you guys not know how to do a line of best fit in OpenOffice2 Calc?
[11:08] <papyrus2> davmor2 : if u are using totem-gstreame, install gstreamer-ffmpeg
[11:08] <thechitowncubs> I haven't been in this channel for a long long time, but i assume that it's "safe" to upgrade to breezy??
[11:08] <papyrus2> davmor2 : then run gst-register
[11:08] <crimsun> thechitowncubs: sure. There's also a Colony 4 milestone CD if you wish to test the live cd or install from it.
[11:09] <kevogod> thechitowncubs, Safe for who?
[11:09] <thechitowncubs> for me :)
[11:09] <crimsun> yes, Breezy is safe for daily use.
[11:09] <kemik> it's not stable yet isit ?
[11:09] <davmor2> Okay ta
[11:09] <ompaul> QMario, please define your question a little, are you talking about a best fit in terms of data matching a curve or info in a cell that is too wide?
[11:10] <Zedman> !de
[11:10] <ubotu> de is, like, #ubuntu-de bitte.
[11:10] <tritium> I think he means a least-squares fit
[11:10] <QMario> Ompaul, a line of best fit that "tries" to connect all points on the graph.
[11:11] <davmor2> papyrus2 No good same thing
[11:11] <TrekCycling__> does *anyone* run an ipw2200 card under Linux with WEP?
[11:11] <juanej> Im just trying to dpkg something and this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/355565
[11:11] <tritium> TrekCycling, yes, it works really well in breezy
[11:11] <tritium> in hoary, people have gone through some trouble to update the driver
[11:12] <tritium> there's info on the wiki on that if you don't feel like upgrading to breezy just yet
[11:12] <shinu> how can i check whats using my soundcard?
[11:12] <crimsun> just try the colony 4 live cd
[11:12] <martin__> hello
[11:12] <crimsun> shinu: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[11:12] <TrekCycling__> I couldn't get it to work under hoary
[11:12] <TrekCycling__> I'd consider upgrading to Breezy if it was usable
[11:12] <TrekCycling__> I haven't tried it.
[11:12] <tritium> TrekCycling, give the Colony 4 CD a try first then
[11:12] <thechitowncubs> TrekCycling__, I'm upgrading to breezy right now and i have an ipw2200
[11:12] <crimsun> breezy is usable.
[11:12] <thechitowncubs> i'll tell you how it works
[11:13] <shinu> crimsun: ok thanks, i already kinda tried snd :)
[11:13] <TrekCycling__> colony 4?
[11:13] <tritium> thechitowncubs, it works fine :)
[11:13] <tritium> TrekCycling, from cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[11:13] <Vaske_Car> hey guys what is my ROOT password for Unbuntu?
[11:13] <thechitowncubs> tritium, thats good to hear :)
[11:13] <tritium> Vaske_Car, root acount is disabled.
[11:13] <crimsun> TrekCycling__: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-September/047917.html
[11:13] <Vaske_Car> but how can I do administrative settings than?
[11:14] <kevogod> With sudo
[11:14] <tritium> Vaske_Car, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <dalamar> if the breezy live cd runs no probs can it be said that an upgrade would work fairly well at least? (obviously some small prob still)
[11:14] <Vaske_Car> for example i need to install Samba, vsftpd
[11:14] <shinu> Vaske_Car: type: sudo su and then change your password (i think i did it that way)
[11:15] <tritium> better to leave the root account disabled if you can learn to use sudo
[11:15] <Vaske_Car> so my username for root is sudo, right?
[11:15] <Vaske_Car> i just installed unbuntu..
[11:15] <davmor2> Vaske_Car if you just want root for a bit try sudo /bin/bash
[11:15] <shinu> Vaske_Car: no sudo is do something as another user
[11:16] <juanej> Im just trying to dpkg something and this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/355565
[11:16] <tritium> Vaske_Car, if you want a root shell, try sudo -i
[11:16] <zcat[1] > sudo -s or sudo -i will get you a shell
[11:16] <zcat[1] > sudo su - will get you a real root login :)
[11:16] <Vaske_Car> sudo su is right command to access root shell
[11:16] <Vaske_Car> how do I install Samba?
[11:16] <kcidx> When i run fireglcontrol panel it says unknown in my opengl vendor part and all that, any clue why?
[11:17] <gusto5> Vaske_Car,
[11:17] <tritium> sudo -i is fine too, Vaske_Car.  man sudo for details
[11:17] <Vaske_Car> man this software is best linux
[11:17] <gusto5> look at ubuntuguide.org
[11:17] <gusto5> there is an entire guide
[11:17] <tritium> !ubuntuguide
[11:17] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[11:17] <gusto5> !ubuntuforums
[11:17] <ubotu> gusto5: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:17] <TrekCycling__> thanks, I might try breezy
[11:17] <TrekCycling__> is it good? Better than hoary?
[11:18] <dalamar> ubuntuguide still has a alot of good info regardless of this chan's 'anti-ubuntuguide' thoughts ;)
[11:18] <Vaske_Car> can somebody explane basic of insalling a software?
[11:18] <Vaske_Car> i used Fedore bafore
[11:18] <Vaske_Car> there is YUM
[11:18] <gusto5> what the...
[11:18] <gusto5> samba?
[11:18] <Vaske_Car> yes
[11:18] <gusto5> sudo apt-get install samba
[11:18] <gusto5> sudo apt-get install smbfs
[11:18] <davmor2> TrekCycling is europe bigger than England
[11:19] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone here wether breezy will ship with 2.6.13 & alsa 1.0.10 ? it's needed by my laptop in order to handle my hardware
[11:19] <thrice`> !samba
[11:19] <ubotu> hmm... samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[11:19] <crimsun> dalamar: certainly. One just has to be careful with the "no explanations" bit. Of course, if that's your aim, then it'll probably suit you better than reading caveats, no?
[11:19] <ompaul> davmor2, engerland is part of the UK and that is part of europe
[11:19] <TrekCycling__> Davey, I mean, is it (right now) solid enough to use instead of Hoary
[11:20] <thechitowncubs> ctrl click is how you open a link in x-chat right?
[11:20] <dalamar> crimsun, noted, but some ppl just want things working and ubuntuguide is a good source for 'paste this command and get things working' imo
[11:20] <crimsun> dalamar: right, that's what I just said :p
[11:20] <davmor2> But the island sizes then smart alec
[11:20] <dalamar> well then we agree ;)
[11:21] <Vaske_Car> thanks gusto5!
[11:21] <gusto5> no problems, Vaske_Car
[11:21] <jamey3> I'm looking for the strongest, platform-independent file encryption so that I can place encrypted data on my iPod. Any ideas?
[11:21] <Vaske_Car> can I install rpm packages on Unbuntu as well?
[11:21] <gusto5> Vaske_Car, i have no idea how to set it up, so youre on your own now :)
[11:21] <Vaske_Car> i know how to setup samba just did not know how to install :)
[11:21] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, yes, with the 'alien' program it will convert it to .deb
[11:21] <davmor2> TrekCycling been using it for weeks and weeks
[11:22] <dalamar> some times
[11:22] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: can I get a bit more informations of how to get alien etc.. ??
[11:22] <Vaske_Car> I need it to convert just one package
[11:23] <dalamar> might be in a default install actually Vaske_Car, I did not install it specifically and I have it
[11:23] <davmor2> You might hit a gliche with open office but to fix it just edit .sversionrc and change openoffice 1.1.3= to 1.1.4=
[11:23] <jamey3> I'm looking for the strongest, platform-independent file encryption so that I can place encrypted data on my iPod. Any ideas?
[11:23] <Fanskapet> hmm what's the chmod option for giving a folder just read/write support..
[11:23] <Fanskapet> not allowing it to remove folders/files?
[11:23] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: how do you start it?
[11:24] <martin__> #list
[11:24] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, it is a command line program, so in terminal try 'alien', should give you a list of options
[11:24] <martin__> #join ubuntu
[11:24] <dalamar> martin__, you here!
[11:24] <Madpilot> jamey3: GPG is default in Ubuntu; I think it's included in OSX as well and available for Win...
[11:24] <martin__> dalamar : ???
[11:24] <jamey3> Madpilot, and that has strong file encryption?
[11:25] <jamey3> sorry for being dense
[11:25] <Vaske_Car> and just 1 more question:  How do I manage services in Unbuntu??
[11:25] <dalamar> martin__, your alreay in #ubuntu lol ;)
[11:25] <davmor2> Wesnoth won't work in breezy either
[11:25] <davmor2> well not on 64bit anyway
[11:25] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, I suggest BUM, it is in the repos, try a search for BUM in synaptic?
[11:25] <martin__> dalamar : sorry first irc tryout with my new ubuntu install...
[11:25] <dalamar> no worries!
[11:26] <Madpilot> jamey3: ask google for GPG's homepage - but GPG is basically the Free version of PGP, which is full-on encryption
[11:26] <jamey3> cool thanks :-)
[11:26] <rosa> how do i get password
[11:26] <Madpilot> rosa: PW for what?
[11:27] <rosa> or ID
[11:27] <dalamar> its great to see so many people trying ubuntu when they might not have never jumped into linux before
[11:27] <rosa> for this X-chat
[11:27] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: I dont understand you... ???
[11:27] <Vaske_Car> how to start BUM
[11:27] <the4bagger> I am having Xserver trouble, if you can help me please give me a PM
[11:28] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, bum is not included, have you enabled the extra repositories?
[11:28] <dalamar> try this-
[11:28] <dalamar> !repos
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:28] <ompaul> the4bagger, ask the question in the channel because some may be able to answer and some may not and without your question people do not know what it is you want
[11:28] <Vaske_Car> bash: !repos: event not found
[11:29] <rosa>  /msg !NickServ IDENTIFY sigsigsputnik
[11:29] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, visit the link that ubotu posted - the '!repos' is a irc command to use the bot
[11:29] <Vaske_Car> thanks guys
[11:29] <dalamar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:29] <Vaske_Car> I will set and read a bit about Unbuntu
[11:30] <the4bagger> alright, I have a Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 video card, and I have my xorg.conf file set up, but I get a "(WW) NV: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:11:0) found."
[11:30] <Vaske_Car> cya
[11:30] <Kyral> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <the4bagger> ive done that before
[11:31] <dalamar> its funny, i've seen alot of these people on the fedora chan and they all have seemed to switch to ubuntu ;)
[11:31] <ompaul> the4bagger, that sudo line was for you :)
[11:31] <the4bagger> should i try that again? i did it before...
[11:32] <davmor2> the4bagger apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-setting
[11:32] <toni_> Hola
[11:32] <toni_> hello
[11:32] <toni_> I'm spanish
[11:32] <ompaul> the4bagger, try it after you make changes and after you do other stuff - it was suggested to you to choose vesa as a short term card type :)
[11:32] <abbot45> im about to switch out my old voodoo card for a newer nvidia.  whats the command to reconfigure that after i put it in?
[11:32] <the4bagger> I have tried "sudo apt-get nvidia-glx" but i get an error
[11:32] <davmor2> the4bagger then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable     and reboot
[11:33] <Liverman> anyone that can help me using cpufreqd - getting some errors enabling it (powernowd is not working)
[11:33] <toni_> and I have problems with ati drivers
[11:33] <BlackCat9> Wow. Lots of people here.
[11:33] <ompaul> !tell toni_ ati
[11:33] <toni_> I have an Ati Radeon x700
[11:33] <ompaul> !tell toni_ about ati
[11:33] <Jerich> greetings, I've installed Ubuntu on my laptop (466 celeron, 128m) everything is running not that bad, but could anybody gimme some tips on how to make it more responsive, faster
[11:33] <BlackCat9> Hope someone can help me. I'm a Linux newbie and just installed Ubuntu on an old laptop and am having a couple problems with some hardware.
[11:33] <ompaul> toni_, ubotu has sent you a message have a look at that
[11:34] <ompaul> !tell BlackCat9 about ask
[11:34] <toni_> Thank you
[11:35] <davmor2> the4bagger try sudo aptitude then select the nvidia glx stuff
[11:35] <Liverman> dpkg-reconfigure cpufreqd : Unable to find a CpuFreq interface in your kernel. - Cpufreqd won't be started, please enable a CpuFreq driver in your kernel
[11:35] <the4bagger> alright, everybody told me something different, which should i try first?
[11:35] <Liverman> how to do this ?
[11:36] <BlackCat9> First, I've got a wi-fi card that's not seeing any networks in the area. Ubuntu found it and installed the apropriate drivers, but when it can't see my network or any others in the area. Putting in the ESSID and WEP key and giving it a static IP allows me to set it as the default connection, but it has 0 signal strength.
[11:36] <DrTiger> yeah... ubuntu doesnt even support my battery -.-
[11:36] <abbot45> can someone please tell me how to reconfigure ubuntu for what graphics card i switch too?
[11:36] <ompaul> the4bagger, have you done anything with the machine yet? you have been at it a good few hours now
[11:37] <the4bagger> ompaul, that is true, but i havent been able to get a GUI up yet
[11:37] <ompaul> the4bagger, so the answer is nothing other than faffing about with a few apt-get lines
[11:37] <DrTiger> warty used to not get my power supply at all, breezy just always thinks I m connected to the power net.... However I d probably have to reconfigure the kernel, yet that isn't that easy in ubuntu as in gentoo -.-
[11:37] <davmor2> the4bagger I have had no problems with my nvidia card on standard nv for 2d but the nvidia-glx is a must for proper use and 3d
[11:38] <Dr_Net> are you sure hoary comes with lame and Co, coz we include external http urls to locate repositories?
[11:38] <Vaske_Car>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY saibaba
[11:38] <the4bagger> alright, ill go try those commands
[11:38] <BlackCat9> Also, the graphics chipset that I have isn't allowing me to display above 640x480 in Ubuntu. It's a Chips and Technology 69000, which should do at least 800x600 in Windows, but the default Linux driver that Ubuntu is using won't show me higher resolutions.
[11:38] <abbot45> bahahaha.  oops
[11:38] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: i'd change your pass now if i was you ;-)
[11:38] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, doh! i would change the password now
[11:38] <funkyHat> how do i stop alsa from reverting to the same settings every time i restart?
[11:39] <funkyHat> i want it to restore itself they way i left it
[11:39] <thrice`> funkyHat, alsamixer, and alsactl store
[11:39] <ompaul> the4bagger, it was suggested to you eariler to choose vesa first to get some kind of working system, did you do that, Bob2 is rather clueful
[11:39] <Dr_Net> have to repaet my question - are you sure hoary comes with lame and Co, coz we include external http urls to locate repositories?
[11:39] <Vaske_Car> how
[11:39] <ompaul> the4bagger, and has the same card as you
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB>  Dr_Net horay has lame in the universe repository
[11:39] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car:  /ns help set password
[11:39] <funkyHat> ompaul, i want it to save it's settings every time i shut down
[11:39] <the4bagger> ompaul, yes, but i was still having trouble so i changed it again...
[11:40] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: /ns set password <new pass here>
[11:40] <emiliospanish> hola
[11:40] <ompaul> funkyHat, system preferences settings
[11:41] <the4bagger> ompaul, did you get my PM?
[11:41] <davmor2> ttfn
[11:41] <Vaske_Car> tx
[11:41] <kevogod> when you do /ns do it on the status window to avoid slipups
[11:41] <Vaske_Car> Can I install unbuntu on the same disk with Windows?
[11:41] <h17m4n> Is gplflash stable enough for AMD64 systems?
[11:41] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, yes
[11:42] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[11:42] <ubotu> dualboot is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:42] <h17m4n> not same partition though
[11:42] <Madpilot> Vaske_Car: see ubotu ^^^
[11:42] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: It needs to be partitioned off correctly first though.
[11:42] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: you're welcome
[11:42] <Vaske_Car> will it automatically offer to install Unbuntu witout removing Windows?
[11:42] <h17m4n> no
[11:42] <ompaul> the4bagger, I think you know I did :)
[11:42] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: It will install to the Free Space.
[11:42] <h17m4n> you have to prepare things
[11:43] <Fred|Fr3d> Vaske_Car: you need free space on your disk. try Partition Magic to resize partitions using windows, then it uses the free space.
[11:43] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, read the howto that ubotu linked to ^
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> so I can resize partition and it Unbuntu see it as empty space it would install in there automatically?
[11:43] <h17m4n> is it recommendable to instal gplflash?
[11:43] <funkyHat> yes
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> ok ok ok
[11:43] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: For a free program, try QtParted on the System Rescue CD available at http://www.sysresccd.org/
[11:43] <funkyHat> don't know h17m4n
[11:43] <Vaske_Car> i have it
[11:43] <the4bagger> ompaul, grrrr reinstall -^_^-
[11:44] <Vaske_Car> how much of space does Unbuntu uses?
[11:44] <h17m4n> macromedia seems to mad at AMD64 archs
[11:44] <funkyHat> i use the flash player from backports (then i DISABLE backports again)
[11:44] <apokryphos> Vaske_Car: defautl install is around 1.8 gigs
[11:44] <the4bagger> ompaul, i have a problem with xserver if i try the live version too
[11:44] <apokryphos> funkyHat: flashplayer is in multiverse, no?
[11:44] <funkyHat> oh maybe :P
[11:44] <funkyHat> hehehe
[11:45] <juanej> anyone using a parport scanner?
[11:45] <h17m4n> they probably bought a whole new set of workstations based on x86 and AMD came out with AMD64 a month after
[11:45] <h17m4n> but do the backports offer a 64 bit player?
[11:46] <kevogod> No
[11:46] <apokryphos> h17m4n: player, for....?
[11:46] <funkyHat> sorry h17m4n apparently it's not in backports at all ;)
[11:46] <cafuego> there is a 64bit flash player that doesn't work (at all) yes
[11:46] <h17m4n> not player
[11:46] <h17m4n> just plugin
[11:46] <apokryphos> 64-bit flash does not exist
[11:46] <h17m4n> for ff
[11:46] <h17m4n> yeah I know that
[11:46] <kevogod> Macromedia 64-bit Flash does not exist to be precise.
[11:46] <cafuego> Your problem is that you want flash. Flash is shite. get rid of it.
[11:46] <kevogod> h17m4n: You have to use a 32-bit version of Firefox.
[11:47] <ompaul> the4bagger, you ask for an opinion, I gave you mine, that is all I have
[11:47] <QMario> How do I force GAIM to uase ALSA?
[11:47] <apokryphos> cafuego: not entirely. You can make some excellent websites with it
[11:47] <Vaske_Car> Why I can not see my Windows WORKGROUP from Unbuntu?
[11:47] <QMario> !GAIM
[11:47] <ubotu> gaim is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[11:47] <QMario> !AILSA
[11:47] <ubotu> QMario: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:47] <QMario> !ALSA
[11:47] <ubotu> [alsa]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[11:47] <kevogod> cafuego: Tell that to Webmasters. OK thanks.
[11:47] <cafuego> apokryphos: Websites that cna't be accessed by disabled people or indexed by search engines are NOT excellent websites, they are garbage.
[11:47] <h17m4n> but wouldn't the installer detect the arch on installation?
[11:48] <Madpilot> juanej: I've got one, not plugged in currently, but other ppl have gotten it working in Ubuntu. what model do you have?
[11:48] <kevogod> cafuego: Not every flash website is inaccessible. That is a stereotype.
[11:48] <h17m4n> flash plugin installer that is
[11:48] <apokryphos> cafuego: it depends on what you're aiming to do. Having flash as an option (while a HTML equivalent) is fine and dandy *and* can be excellent.
[11:48] <cafuego> kevogod: The ones with a 'skip intro' are find, but if it's worth skipping, why waste user's time with it to begin with?
[11:49] <funkyHat> QMario, set the sound method as command, and the command as aplay %s
[11:49] <kevogod> cafuego: Because it is an introduction to the site that is not necessary for the user's experience but enhances it overall?
[11:49] <apokryphos> It would be awful nice of people would use proper code, including accesskeys etc etc, but unfortunatley they don't.
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> kevogod: it's not a user experience
[11:49] <cafuego> kevogod: No, I think you lost me there. Form should never come before substance, sorry.
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> it's a damn website
[11:49] <cafuego> it's an annoying waste of time.
[11:49] <QMario> f
[11:49] <juanej> Madpilot, scanjet 3200c
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> a website has *content*
[11:49] <juanej> I already installed sane
[11:50] <juanej> but dont know how to use it now
[11:50] <dalamar> ive never watched an intro i could skip, period
[11:50] <QMario> FunkyHat, should I restart after that?
[11:50] <funkyHat> nope
[11:50] <funkyHat> it just starts working
[11:50] <funkyHat> i just did it :)
[11:50] <funkyHat> you prompted me to try
[11:50] <Madpilot> juanej: ask google, there are pretty good SANE pages out there
[11:50] <jabbit> hello, does anyone knows a good program to recover lost pictures from a digital camera memory card? I have used one in the past but I forgot its name :(
[11:50] <Lordphyn> I was trying to tunnel samba over ssh and can't quite recall what I did to change things, but now samba (without ssh) is timing out when I try to connect--any help?
[11:50] <BlackCat9> I've got a wi-fi card that's not seeing any networks in the area. Ubuntu found it and installed the apropriate drivers, but when it can't see my network or any others in the area. Putting in the ESSID and WEP key and giving it a static IP allows me to set it as the default connection, but it has 0 signal strength.
[11:51] <juanej> Madpilot, ive been searching like 1 hour
[11:51] <QMario> FunkyHat, it doesn't work: "aplay %s".
[11:51] <juanej> i already installed the library
[11:51] <dalamar> 2nd hour's the charm
[11:51] <juanej> but now xsane doesnt work
[11:51] <juanej> lol
[11:51] <funkyHat> QMario, do you have alsaplayer installed?
[11:51] <funkyHat> and alsaplayer-alsa
[11:51] <QMario> What is alsaplayer?
[11:51] <funkyHat> a command line program for playing music files
[11:52] <funkyHat> it has several plugins
[11:52] <apokryphos> !info alsaplayer
[11:52] <ubotu> alsaplayer: (PCM player designed for ALSA), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
[11:52] <funkyHat> the only one you will need is alsaplayer-alsa
[11:52] <funkyHat> which it probably depends on
[11:52] <Vaske_Car> What I have to do to be able to edir .conf files?
[11:52] <BlackCat9> Also, the graphics chipset that I have isn't allowing me to display above 640x480 in Ubuntu. It's a Chips and Technology 69000, which should do at least 800x600 in Windows, but the default Linux driver that Ubuntu is using won't show me higher resolutions in the screen resolutions pref window. What do I need to do?
[11:52] <Madpilot> juanej: google on your device name plus "linux" or maybe "ubuntu"
[11:53] <Vaske_Car> edit*
[11:53] <neoxan> is debian better than ubuntu?
[11:53] <dtamas> What will the codename of the following release after Breezy?
[11:53] <neoxan> or is ubuntu better than debian?
[11:53] <cafuego> neoxan: green.
[11:53] <Seveas> neoxan, uncomparable
[11:53] <neoxan> that means?
[11:53] <dalamar> apples to oranges even
[11:53] <Seveas> debian and ubuntu have different goals
[11:53] <cafuego> dtamas: Sassy Spud
[11:53] <juanej> Madpilot, i already find it, installed the library but now i dont now how to install xsane or something to prove if the scanner is working
[11:53] <dtamas> neoxan: ubuntu has fresher packages
[11:53] <Seveas> one is not better than another
[11:54] <QMario> Seveas?
[11:54] <funkyHat> QMario, sudo apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa should get you on track, but i'm sure you're there already
[11:54] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: I wont let me edit .conf files ... ???
[11:54] <Quinthius> not apples to oranges... more like... oranges to orange juice...
[11:54] <Seveas> QMario, that's me!
[11:54] <CarlFK> neoxan - Only on odd days
[11:54] <Madpilot> juanej: xsane is in Ubuntu repos - search Synaptic
[11:54] <snoopy> ubuntu is based off debian
[11:54] <neoxan> so why does ubuntu exists if its not better? :P
[11:54] <ompaul> neoxan, ehh you come to a fork in the road and you see two signs one says debian the other says ubuntu
[11:54] <Seveas> neoxan, it's better at certain things
[11:54] <cafuego> neoxan: Ubuntu is geared at an up-to-date well integrated desktop suer expereince. Debian is geared towards security and above all stability.
[11:54] <snoopy> a preference, if you will
[11:54] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, are you using sudo to edit it? ie 'sudo gedit yourfile.conf'?
[11:54] <funkyHat> neoxan, as Seveas said ^ different goals
[11:54] <Quinthius> neoxan: for different needs and purposes
[11:54] <QMario> Neoxan?
[11:54] <CarlFK> neoxan is the spaceshuttle better than a car?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> neoxan, debian and ubuntu have differring goals
[11:54] <juanej> i know, but when i try to install it i cant
[11:54] <Vaske_Car> no
[11:54] <neoxan> lol damn
[11:54] <juanej> because of the library i just installed
[11:54] <neoxan> mass highlight
[11:54] <cafuego> neoxan: Why does WIndows exist if it's worse than everything else under the sun?
[11:54] <neoxan> :)
[11:55] <funkyHat> you asked for it :P
[11:55] <ompaul> neoxan you want your name in lights?
[11:55] <Madpilot> cafuego: point for you, I think... ;)
[11:55] <Seveas> cafuego, SM is njoyed by many people too :)
[11:55] <juanej> how do i upgrade something with dpkg?
[11:55] <Seveas> juanej, not
[11:55] <juanej> dpkg -upgrade?
[11:55] <Seveas> you need apt
[11:55] <daveb_> Hello, can anyone help me? I tried installing Ubuntu on a partition. The first stage seemed fine, but when I was prompted to take out the CD, reboot to continue the install, I receive an "Error 21" and cannot get Linux to finish installing, nor can I get the other OS (windows) to load instead. HELP!
[11:55] <ompaul> !apting
[11:55] <ubotu> somebody said apting was apt-cache search package-keyword  use this to get package name :: apt-cache show ActualPackageName tells you stuff about the package :: apt-cache policy tells more stuff like the repo its in
[11:55] <Seveas> hmm, jammie :)
[11:55] <juanej> how do i upgrade something with a .deb?
[11:55] <Madpilot> later, all. the real world needs attention for some reason...
[11:55] <Seveas> juanej, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:55] <juanej> Seveas, already do that
[11:56] <neoxan> i love ubuntu
[11:56] <neoxan> i hate kde
[11:56] <funkyHat> daveb_, when you were installing, did you set the 'bootable partiton' to be your linux one?
[11:56] <neoxan> i love fluxbox
[11:56] <juanej> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/saned.1.bz2.gz', which is also in package sane-backends
[11:56] <neoxan> :)
[11:56] <apokryphos> juanej: it wil also downgrade with that if it's an older version.
[11:56] <neoxan> do you also hate kde?
[11:56] <Seveas> juanej, then don't use non-ubuntu packages :)
[11:56] <apokryphos> neoxan: congratulations
[11:56] <Seveas> neoxan, ETOPIC
[11:56] <apokryphos> neoxan: no, I love it. :)
[11:56] <fblade> help please
[11:56] <ompaul> neoxan that is nearly a flood - it is very busy keep it calm please
[11:56] <juanej> Seveas, its the only one i found
[11:56] <neoxan> hmm
[11:56] <Seveas> juanej, why do you insist on an upgrade?
[11:56] <neoxan> ill leave now
[11:56] <neoxan> you dont like me
[11:56] <neoxan> :P
[11:56] <daveb_> not sure, I'd want it to be prompted with a choice, but for now, I'm just freakig that I mighta nuked my XP files. Can I save the situation?
[11:57] <dalamar> theres a kde and gnome version for a reason, so we dont start wars ;)
[11:57] <fblade> i think i did something bad... i installed lilo instead of grub and now i cant get the boot loader up to access xp
[11:57] <juanej> Because without that upgrade i dont have parport support for my scanner
[11:57] <Bobulor> hello everyone
[11:57] <funkyHat> daveb_, this isn't about which OS is going to be booted, this is a simple partition table setting
[11:57] <BlackCat9> Okay, so nobody can help me.
[11:57] <Quinthius> juanej: but why isn't there an fvwm version? HUH???
[11:57] <Seveas> juanej, sounds reasonable...
[11:57] <neoxan> *leaving* :P
[11:57] <juanej> fvwm?
[11:57] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: THANKS!!!!
[11:57] <Seveas> juanej, whicj package is it?
[11:58] !christel:*! : Bored? Why not try a game of ##trivia ? Also, passionate about playing the guitar? Check out ##guitar Have a great day!
[11:58] <funkyHat> daveb_, the boot loader (the thing that's not working properly at the moment) will give you the choice of windows or linux
[11:58] <fblade> i installed lilo instead of grub and now i cant get the boot loader up to access xp, how can i get it so i can acces xp again
[11:58] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, works? good
[11:58] <Bobulor> seveas, it wouldn't accept my command "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <mypassword>". Why?
[11:58] <Quinthius> juanej: it's a window manager :P
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> How do I restart smb service?
[11:58] <juanej> http://sourceforge.net/projects/umax1220p/
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> yes
[11:58] <daveb_> okay, maybe this will explain it to you. I have 2 harddrives, one with XP, Another I wiped and when installing ubuntu, created a partition on it for the install
[11:58] <Seveas> Bobulor, what's the error?
[11:58] <Bobulor> seveas, I also made sure I had the right nick
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> what is the way to restart services?
[11:58] <QMario> FunkyHat, it still does not play any sound.
[11:58] <Vaske_Car> in Fedora it was service smb restart
[11:58] <Seveas> Vaske_Car, invoke-rc.d servicename restart
[11:59] <QMario> I installed both alsaplayer and alsaplayer-alsa.
[11:59] <QMario> :'(
[11:59] <Bobulor> seveas, unknown command [IDENTIFY] 
[11:59] <ompaul> BlackCat9, if you have the right info you can edit the config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:59] <funkyHat> QMario, try aplay %s *someaudiofile* in a terminal
[11:59] <Akrame> i've a freakin problem :)
[11:59] <ompaul> BlackCat9, hardware frequencies
[11:59] <Akrame> hi all
[11:59] <Seveas> try identify instead of IDENTIFY
[11:59] <ompaul> !tell Akrame about ask
[11:59] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, does anyone know whether the standard alsa-base has ISAPNP support compiled in? trying to set up an ancient onboard sound chip on an ancient Dell Optiplex
[12:00] <Bobulor> seveas, it worked
[12:00] <fblade> can any one help please
[12:00] <codenut> hey, it looks like I am permanently set up in #ubuntu.
[12:00] <codenut> Is it always being fiddled with?
[12:00] <funkyHat> daveb_, do you know which hard drive is primary and which is secondary?