[12:06] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop depends on all edubuntu desktop apps as well as all ubuntu-desktop apps
[12:06] <ogra> (plus edubuntu-artwork in the next few days)
[12:06] <yvesC> thanks. i will test that as soon as wget finished download iso
[12:06] <ogra> :)
[12:06] <ogra> thanks for testing 
[12:08] <yvesC> thanks for working ;)
[12:11] <bdoin> ogra: thanks for your work on gcompris
[12:12] <ogra> you're welcome ... 
[12:12] <ogra> it will still need a lot of testing... i dont play every board to test ;)
[12:17] <ogra> yay
[12:17] <magnon> hm
[12:17] <ogra> ?
[12:17] <magnon> is there any cool ways to do the iso install without burning? :P
[12:17] <magnon> dunno if I have cds
[12:18] <ogra> hm
[12:19] <magnon> nvm, found :)
[12:20] <ogra> CDRW is great for testing CD releases ;)
[12:20] <magnon> with my current wallet I cant even afford a single cd :)
[12:21] <ogra> ouch
[12:21] <Burgundavia> what is this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanDo
[12:21] <ogra> i'd ask EldarOmuraliev
[12:22] <magnon> I'll get a confirmation tomorrow however on a major training thingy that'll net us some profit and me some saslary :P
[12:22] <magnon> salary*
[12:22] <ogra> i wonder what for he needs multiverse
[12:23] <ogra> in advance ? 
[12:23] <magnon> couple of weeks
[12:23] <ogra> cool :)
[12:24] <magnon> as I own 1/3 of it, I can pay out about whenever I want so :p
[12:25] <ogra> heh
[12:25] <magnon> we're just attempting to save up so we can afford up to half a year of paying running costs... but if we have guaranteed income, that pot can be diminished temporarily
[02:40] <magnon> nooooo
[02:40] <magnon> I got the 64bit image
[02:40] <magnon> :P
[02:41] <ogra> so get the matching hardware ...
[02:41] <ogra> :)
[02:41] <magnon> you know, I'll just download the i386 one :)
[02:41] <ogra> he
[02:41] <ogra> h
[07:06] <yongaik> hello
[09:11] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW 
[09:11] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[09:18] <jsgotangco> doing good?
[09:21] <JaneW> yep, and you?
[09:29] <jsgotangco> not bad
[09:29] <jsgotangco> just keeping myself from being bored heh
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good
[09:35] <jsgotangco> maybe i should do something crazy
[09:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: like?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> break the build like yesterday
[09:48] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: step AWAY from the build!
[09:50] <jsgotangco> oh it did break yesterday but got fixed
[09:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and don;t forget I will see you at UBZ (right?) so this is no idle threat ;)
[09:50] <jsgotangco> JaneW, UBZ if sponsorship goes through...
[09:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: holding thumbs
[09:51] <JaneW> are you on the list?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> im burning the disc right now i can test later
[09:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW, list? UBZ wiki page yes
[09:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great.
[09:57] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[09:58] <JaneW> ogra: have you seen http://art.ubuntu.com/?
[10:00] <jsgotangco> wow nice
[10:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you head of the docteam?
[10:03] <jsgotangco> no, we have no head
[10:04] <jsgotangco> i do their clean up
[10:04] <JaneW> ok
[10:04] <JaneW> well how amenable are you to bribes?
[10:04] <JaneW> ;)
[10:04] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[10:04] <jsgotangco> depends on who bribes
[10:05] <JaneW> I'll put your name on the 'recommended for sponsorship' list
[10:05] <JaneW> if you make sure edubunut's doc are sorted :P
[10:05] <JaneW> s/doc/docs
[10:05] <jsgotangco> JaneW, all docs are sorted
[10:05] <jsgotangco> im almost done in About Edubuntu
[10:06] <jsgotangco> Release Notes will be done by jbailey and I will edit it further
[10:09] <jsgotangco> other than that, its all cookbook if my test goes well
[10:09] <JaneW> ok
[10:12] <JaneW> what's your contry code?
[10:12] <jsgotangco> PH
[10:12] <JaneW> ta
[10:12] <jsgotangco> what for?
[10:12] <JaneW> the list
[10:13] <JaneW> Coming from?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i'm going to struggle with jet lag if i get there
[10:13] <JaneW> nothing's guaranteed, but at least you are on the internal list now
[10:13] <jsgotangco> wow so there's an internal list...
[10:14] <jsgotangco> i'll be speaking in LinuxWorld next week you wanna see the slides?
[10:15] <JaneW> sure
[10:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well there's a list on the Canonical wiki, but the list on the ubuntu wiki will be fed into that
[10:16] <jsgotangco> wow what does the canonical wiki for if we have an ubuntu one? internal issues?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we can probably ship the basic docs (about, release notes) and push cookbook after release
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: just process and procedure stuff, leave, contact details, expense forsm that kind of stuff
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: everything else is public
[10:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[11:03] <ogra> JaneW, i saw art.ubuntu.com during development ;) 
[11:03] <ogra> morning
[11:04] <JaneW> hi
[11:04] <JaneW> ogra: I am amending the license on our wiki and u/l our wall papers to the art site
[11:04] <ogra> great :)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> guys im almost done with About Edubuntu i will just fix the xslt script so we'll have an HTML by tommorow or unless ogra is willing to use xml docbook for yelp?
[11:29] <JaneW> I'm stuck...
[11:34] <jsgotangco> hmmm looks good
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ogra, do you happen to have release notes just in case?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> or is there still a need?
[11:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll write some... but dont have anything yet
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok no rush if you want to, i can just merge them with About Ubuntu as a section
[11:52] <ogra> hmm, we should incorporate art.ubuntu.com in the mozilla default page
[11:54] <ogra> doesnt look like we'll have new icons in breezy :/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HumilityIcons
[11:57] <JaneW> ok I u/led all wallpapers, they are awaiting approval/moderation
[11:57] <JaneW> next time ppl must submit it themselves, so they can be listed as the designer. I had to put that in the notes this time.
[11:58] <ogra> sigh http://www.linuxkongress.at/index.php?id=197
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: ?
[12:02] <ogra> sharing one stage with jimbo wales and markus gamenius...
[12:02] <ogra> (makes me feel small :) )
[12:03] <jsgotangco> i felt so small during UDU
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:05] <ogra> but you're doing beig work here... no need to :)
[12:05] <jsgotangco> come to think of it UDU felt like just a few weeks ago
[12:05] <ogra> s/beig/big
[12:05] <ogra> yup
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ditto for you ^^^
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra but you're doing beig work here... no need to :)
[12:06] <ogra> yes, but these people are known... i'm fresh ...
[12:06] <JaneW> cool
[12:07] <ogra> they have a name ...
[12:07] <JaneW> so you can surprise them
[12:07] <ogra> hopefully :)
[12:07] <JaneW> anyway you are Mark's replacement
[12:07] <JaneW> so no pressure ;)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> replacement
[12:07] <JaneW> at LinuxKongress
[12:08] <jsgotangco> hey you have doko with you
[12:08] <ogra> ok, thats easy... i just have to swing back and forth while talking and and hit the palm of my one hand with the edge of the other.... and i need a cool dressup :)
[12:08] <jsgotangco> Markus Gamenius -> skolelinux?
[12:09] <JaneW> ogra: you need a shirt that says
[12:09] <ogra> yup
[12:09] <JaneW> 'I only date blondes'
[12:09] <ogra> hehe
[12:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <ogra> i'll ask mark if he borrows it to me :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra, well i got to speak to 200 students last week...
[12:09] <JaneW> vkipedia
[12:09] <jsgotangco> and probably 300+ on linuxworld next week
[12:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, i have no prob speaking to 1000 people.... if its not in german ...
[12:10] <JaneW> does German have a W sound?
[12:10] <jsgotangco> ekk
[12:10] <ogra> sure... W
[12:10] <jsgotangco> speaking in german you don't want?
[12:10] <ogra> speaking german hard is 
[12:11] <jsgotangco> even if you're already one?
[12:11] <ogra> at least if you are completely used to use english for all technical stuff you do...
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ah right
[12:11] <jsgotangco> i can understand that if i speak in my native tongue
[12:11] <ogra> i have to think about the right german meaning of the words all the time
[12:12] <jsgotangco> at least in german you have some words translated already..it shows that your language is evolving as needed
[12:13] <ogra> yes, but i tend to end up in cant mixing up german and english ... that doesnt leave a good impression to native german speakers :)
[12:14] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:14] <ogra> i'll learn some german vocabulary during UBZ i think :)
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: speak in English then...?
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: Mark and I certainly would have
[12:18] <JaneW> ogra: sorry I punted you as a Greman then ;)
[12:18] <JaneW> I mean German
[12:18] <JaneW> not Gremlin ;)
[12:18] <ogra> hehe
[12:19] <ogra> lets see.. i'll look at my audience first...
[12:19] <ogra> and decide then about the right lang
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: I had the same problem at varsity, I went to an Afrikaan speaking varsity (YUK)
[12:19] <JaneW> but ended up knowing some technical terms only in afrikaans and had trouble knowing how to describe some things in english!
[12:19] <ogra> but vat least that sounds funny :) 
[12:20] <ogra> (for germans)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> afrikaans
[12:22] <jsgotangco> i haven't heard of afrikaans even once
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I hate it
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: derived from Dutch, French etc etc and made up basically
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ahhh like esperanto except it grew by itself
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we were forced to learn it in school, the 'old South Africa' was very much afrikaans run
[12:24] <jsgotangco> at least you can use afrikaans
[12:25] <jsgotangco> i was taught latin in school and nobody uses it except catholic priests
[12:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it is surprisingly helpful for understanding Dutch, German, even Norwegian etc, but when spoekn no one else really understands it
[12:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: in it;s early days it was called 'kitchen dutch'
[12:25] <JaneW> so it's a kind of bastardised version
[12:25] <JaneW> or 'kombuis taal'
[12:26] <jsgotangco> hmm just like french in some african states except that its not really french?
[12:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's now one of our 11 official languages
[12:26] <jsgotangco> 11?
[12:26] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:26] <JaneW> it used to be one of 2
[12:26] <JaneW> yep 11
[12:26] <jsgotangco> jeezz that's hard
[12:26] <JaneW> although English is still the lingua franca
[12:27] <jsgotangco> i understand that it must be history related that's why it grew to 11
[12:27] <JaneW> yes most monority groups are now recognised
[12:27] <JaneW> and if you go to court etc you are allowed to converse in your native language
[12:28] <jsgotangco> and schools?
[12:28] <JaneW> they will have a primary language
[12:28] <JaneW> and will teach at least one other
[12:29] <JaneW> so you'll be taught in say English
[12:29] <JaneW> and then may learn Afrikaans or zulu or xhose too
[12:29] <jsgotangco> the remaining language doesn't seem useful outside though
[12:29] <JaneW> (and then there's ALSO French, Itialian, German, Latin etc as options in high school)
[12:30] <JaneW> no but with many illiterate ppl here, you have to respect their lanaguage
[12:30] <JaneW> it's the only way some can communicate
[12:31] <JaneW> for instance I think one of the lagunages is San (or what ever their language is called)
[12:31] <JaneW> which is the Koi San 'bushman' language
[12:31] <JaneW> it's all some of them can speak
[12:31] <jsgotangco> to be honest, the only thing i knew about ZA back then was the movie called The Gods must be Crazy
[12:32] <jsgotangco> but now we have Charlize Theron so its much better
[12:32] <JaneW> lol
[12:33] <JaneW> yes, and Mark Shuttleworth :P
[12:33] <JaneW> and Nelson Manadela
[12:33] <jsgotangco> i'd rather see Charlize naked than the two
[12:33] <JaneW> LOL
[12:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no doubt you have (if you have seen any of her movies)
[12:33] <JaneW> South Africa has 11 official languages: Afrikaans, English, Zulu, Xhosa, Swati, Ndebele, Southern Sotho, Northern Sotho, Tsonga, Tswana, and Venda. In this regard it is second only to India in number. 
[12:33] <JaneW> The country also recognises eight non-official languages: Fanagalo, Lobedu, Northern Ndebele, Phuthi, South African Sign Language, Khoe, Nama and San. These non-official languages may be used in certain official uses in limited areas where it has been determined that these languages are prevalent. Nevertheless, their populations are not as such that they require nationwide recognition.
[12:34] <JaneW> ok so San is not an official language (it's too small)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> South African Sign Language?
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yep *shrug*
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: again in court you could request to be addressed in that manner...
[12:35] <jsgotangco> heh what a nice legal loophole
[12:38] <JaneW> lol
[12:38] <JaneW> Many white South Africans also speak other European languages, such as Portuguese, German, and Greek, while many Asians and Indians in South Africa speak languages such as Gujarati and Telugu.
[12:38] <JaneW> that's why we are called the rainbow nation :)
[12:38] <jsgotangco> what are most asians there? chinese?
[12:39] <JaneW>     * African/Black79.0 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * White9.6 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * Coloured8.9 percent
[12:39] <JaneW>     * Indian/Asian2.5 percent
[12:40] <JaneW> no there are indian, malay, chinese
[12:40] <JaneW> far more indian that chinese though
[12:40] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:40] <JaneW> lots of hindu Indians in Durban
[12:40] <JaneW> Cape Town has more Moslem/Malay ppl
[12:41] <JaneW> and Chinese are probably more concentrated around JHB and the centre of the country
[12:41] <JaneW> historically groups were brought in to buidl railways etc
[12:41] <jsgotangco> most of the people from british colonies prefer to go to british influenced lands
[12:42] <jsgotangco> i was reading some stuff from wikitravel about cape town and it still has some warnings not to go to townships as much as possible especially if you obviously look different
[12:43] <JaneW> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_africa
[12:43] <JaneW> pretty interesting
[12:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it's about being sensible
[12:43] <JaneW> I have been into towships several times
[12:43] <JaneW> but it does depend how it's done
[12:43] <jsgotangco> right you can get assaulted anywhere anyways
[12:44] <jsgotangco> 3 capitals?
[12:44] <JaneW>  they object to fancy airconditioned tour busses coming to stare and the dissappear again
[12:44] <JaneW> we went on a really interesting township 'crawl'
[12:44] <JaneW> local tour operator, who lives in the area
[12:45] <JaneW> and donates a percentage back to that commnity
[12:45] <JaneW> and everyone was very friendly and warm to us
[12:45] <JaneW> we had a wonderful time
[12:45] <JaneW> yes 3 capitals
[12:45] <JaneW> there were 4 before I think
[12:45] <jsgotangco> what the
[12:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:45] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:45] <JaneW> including Pietermaritzburg
[12:46] <jsgotangco> there seems to be a country inside ZA
[12:46] <JaneW> each of the 4 provicnces had a capital and they could decide which was THE capital so they all got responsibilities
[12:46] <jsgotangco> Lesotho?
[12:46] <JaneW> yes there are several
[12:46] <JaneW> Lesotho, Swaziland
[12:46] <jsgotangco> gyahh just invade them :)
[12:46] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[12:46] <jsgotangco> swaziland
[12:47] <jsgotangco> it was in our foreign news
[12:47] <jsgotangco> 50,000 bare breasted virgins parade before the king
[12:47] <JaneW> oh right the others were 'homelands; and are now part of SA again
[12:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's the one
[12:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: highest per capita rate of HIV infections in the world... scary!
[12:47] <jsgotangco> ohh
[12:48] <jsgotangco> forget the invasion then
[12:48] <JaneW> we are a peace loving nation
[12:48] <JaneW> we don;t invade ppl
[12:48] <JaneW> (pointed look over at the states)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:48] <JaneW> I'll stop now befire I get myself into hot water ;)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> over here we have a big problem on some small rocks
[12:48] <jsgotangco> everyone in the region is claiming part or whole
[12:49] <jsgotangco> its called the spratleys =)
[12:49] <JaneW> we have that here too
[12:49] <JaneW> land redistribution
[12:49] <jsgotangco> not as big as the spratleys i bet
[12:49] <JaneW> where land was taken away from native ppl
[12:50] <JaneW> and now they are claining it back
[12:50] <JaneW> claiming
[12:50] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratley_Island
[12:51] <JaneW> lunch time
[12:51] <jsgotangco> i gotta go for dinner
[12:51] <jsgotangco> later
[12:58] <magnon> finally
[12:58] <magnon> managed to download the i386 iso and burn it correctly :P
[01:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: PONG
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello, I already did what I was going to ask you to do... :P
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: I u/led all the edubuntu wall papers to http://art.ubuntu.com/
[02:00] <JaneW> what's up with coolio?
[02:04] <highvoltage> i think coolio is cool.
[02:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: no I mean he msges me, says he wants to speak, then makes me wait like 3 hours cos he;s in a meeting, then says right meeting's over, speak later and disconnects...?
[02:08] <highvoltage> ok. i'll pvt message you :)
[02:08] <JaneW> k
[02:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: rem your nick must be registerd to PM
[02:11] <highvoltage> aaah! i wasn't identified. so you didn't get any of the 15 lines of crap that i just typed :) thank God for history!
[02:11] <JaneW> hehe
[02:11] <JaneW> luckilly I warned you before you wrote a whole eassy ;)
[03:03] <JaneW> LOL I finally saw the DebConf Suttleworth-Zimmerman band footage
[03:03] <JaneW> all I can say is they should NOT give up their day jobs!
[03:04] <JaneW> http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/tmp/?D=A
[03:05] <JaneW> LMAO...
 Can I borrow your laptop a second?
 You're not going to install any of that Open Source shit on it are you?
[03:08] <mpt> haha
[04:04] <highvoltage> JaneW: which channel was that?
[04:05] <JaneW> on the quotes page
[04:05] <JaneW> not sure when/where it was said
[04:05] <highvoltage> hmmm... where's the quotes page again?
[04:06] <JaneW> it's on the canonucal wiki
[04:13] <magnon> canon-nuke-all!
[04:14] <highvoltage> cheers all!
[05:21] <ogra> JaneW, ping from flint in -meeting :)