[12:05] <libben> kernnel 
[12:05] <libben> anyone?
[12:14] <sedeki> hello Wictory
[12:14] <Wictory> hi
[12:17] <sedeki> what's up?
[12:17] <Wictory> im just chilling
[12:17] <Wictory> :D
[12:22] <libben> should i uncomment all four lines in sources.list?
[12:22] <libben> for universe?
[12:22] <apokryphos> yes
[12:23] <libben> so whats the security ones from universe that are the last two?
[12:23] <libben> cause in the uncommented text, it only says i should uncomment two
[12:24] <nalioth> libben: yes, uncomment all of them in your default sources list
[12:25] <libben> k thxs. then type apt-get update ?
[12:25] <nalioth> libben: and whereever it says "universe" space over and add "multiverse"
[12:25] <apokryphos> libben: yes
[12:25] <nalioth> as in "universe multiverse"
[12:26] <flugh> I will be the one
[12:26] <libben> http://pastebin.com/355624
[12:26] <libben> thats one is good? 
[12:27] <libben> what was the deal with multiverse?
[12:27] <apokryphos> libben: that's it. Add Multiverse for more packages
[12:27] <apokryphos> you can learn about the different repositories here...
[12:27] <apokryphos> !components
[12:27] <ubotu> it has been said that components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[12:27] <apokryphos> to add it, where there is a line with "universe" also add "multiverse", as nalioth said.
[12:28] <libben> ok, so i copy all the four lines i just uncommented... and paste them again and add multivers to it
[12:29] <apokryphos> er, what?
[12:29] <apokryphos> just add multiverse. Paste?
[12:29] <apokryphos> as in, why do you need to paste anything?
[12:29] <libben> so no universe?
[12:29] <apokryphos> erm, what?
[12:30] <apokryphos> Use this... 
[12:30] <apokryphos> !sources
[12:30] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:30] <apokryphos> and uncomment any repos you want to use.
[12:30] <apokryphos> (the pastebin there, that is)
[12:32] <libben> so i just copy the pastebin one ? shoud i uncomment the source debs?
[12:32] <apokryphos> if you plan on using the source debs
[12:32] <libben> im pretty new to this. am i planning on using source debs? =)
[12:33] <apokryphos> probably not
[12:35] <libben> hmm only getting 900 fps in glxgears
[12:35] <libben> why
[12:35] <libben> should have around 2-4000
[12:36] <utter_> I need some help with KDevelop
[12:36] <utter_> if anyone knows about it...?
[12:36] <nalioth> libben: you can back up your existing sources.list and use the one you get from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:37] <djib> yeah, it's a great one !
[12:37] <libben> just installed mc.
[12:37] <libben> now then =)
[12:37] <djib> but public.planetmirror.com doesn't work does it ?
[12:38] <libben> dont wanna use i386 on my box that is a p4 1.7,,, its a i686 ?
[12:38] <libben> how do i update that easily?
[12:39] <nalioth> libben: krusader is a kde variant of mc
[12:39] <nalioth> libben: search for kernel 686 in synaptic
[12:39] <libben> just installing synaptic
[12:39] <libben> krusader any good?
[12:40] <nalioth> libben: all software is free, try it. if you dont like it, don't use it
[12:41] <apokryphos> libben: not better than Konqueror
[12:41] <utter_> is there a channel for Kubuntu PPC users
[12:41] <nalioth> utter_: you're in it
[12:41] <nalioth> utter_: or #ubuntu
[12:41] <nalioth> apokryphos: i mentioned krusader to libben b/c he mentioned mc
[12:42] <utter_> I'm just guessing that some of the packages for PPC are WAAAAY behind those on x86?
[12:42] <apokryphos> sure
[12:42] <nalioth> utter_: yes and for amd64 as well
[12:42] <djib> I have no hoary-extra working
[12:42] <nalioth> utter_: some of the delay can be compensated for, tho
[12:42] <djib> do you have the same problem ?
[12:42] <utter_> so that's why KDevelop is version 2.1?
[12:43] <nalioth> utter_: i run ppc and i've had to compensate
[12:43] <apokryphos> djib: what's the problem?
[12:43] <djib> neither http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ nor http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ nor ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ work at my place when I do apt-get update
[12:43] <djib> it says ign and the adress
[12:43] <djib> :wq
[12:43] <apokryphos> it says what?
[12:44] <utter_> so, nalioth - how easy is it to 'compensate' what have you done?
[12:44] <djib> Ign ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-extras/restricted Packages
[12:44] <djib> for example
[12:44] <apokryphos> djib: the mirrormax ones are the best to use generally
[12:44] <djib> but they don't work
[12:45] <apokryphos> well, what's the full error output; you only get that line?
[12:45] <djib> and by the way what are hoary-extras-staging/ 
[12:46] <djib> apokryphos: I get a Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras Release.gpg
[12:46] <nalioth> utter_: if there are source pkgs available for what you want, apt can build the pkg for you
[12:46] <libben> ok
[12:46] <libben> im in synaptic
[12:46] <libben> so what do i choose ?
[12:46] <apokryphos> djib: and *nothing* else?
[12:47] <utter_> nalioth - done that on a redhat machine but not in deb
[12:47] <djib> well there's about 5 lines just like this
[12:47] <libben> linux 686?
[12:47] <djib> with main, universe, multiuniverse and restricted
[12:47] <libben> or 686 headers?
[12:48] <libben> can i use the linux-686-smp think my cpu can handle it.
[12:48] <nalioth> utter_: enable your deb-srv lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list 
[12:48] <nalioth> deb-src, even
[12:48] <apokryphos> djib: and no "error"
[12:48] <djib> not when I do an apt-get update apokryphos 
[12:49] <nalioth> libben: do you have dual processors?
[12:49] <djib> but when I input  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net in konqueror I get something
[12:49] <djib> it's so strange
[12:49] <utter_> nalioth - just did that - now what?
[12:51] <djib> apokryphos: any idea what's happenig ?
[12:51] <nalioth> utter_: make yourself a 'build' directory
[12:51] <djib> is it because I didn't add a key or something
[12:52] <djib> I read that somewhere and I can't find where
[12:52] <apokryphos> djib: I think that means it already has the current file
[12:52] <libben> no but i have hyperthreading, the same but with one cpu
[12:52] <libben> or am i wrong?
[12:52] <djib> apokryphos: I don't know because for all others it does an update
[12:52] <nalioth> libben: ok then, try the smp kernel
[12:52] <utter_> nalioth - done that...
[12:53] <apokryphos> djib: and you definitely can't get packs from hoary-extras?
[12:53] <nalioth> utter_: then in a terminal in your 'build' dir, type "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkgname>"
[12:53] <djib> I don't know apokryphos 
[12:53] <utter_> aaaah! cheers nalioth - lets's hope it's in there ;)
[12:53] <djib> yeah it seems to be some security issue
[12:54] <apokryphos> so what's the actual problem? :D
[12:54] <djib> did you add a key to get those or not ?
[12:54] <djib> apokryphos: I just don't like to see Ign ^^
[12:54] <libben> hmm, i seem not to have ht on my cpu... anyway... must sleep... gf getting tired. later.
[12:54] <nalioth> djib: we all see Ign
[12:54] <djib> ?
[12:54] <djib> why
[12:55] <apokryphos> because it means that it's not re-downloading the file
[12:55] <nalioth> libben: in a terminal, type "cat /proc/cpu"
[12:55] <apokryphos> since it already has the exact one
[12:55] <djib> oh, I see
[12:55] <djib> thanks
[12:55] <djib> and by the way, what do you do to get packages such as win32 codex
[12:56] <apokryphos> sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[12:56] <apokryphos> if you have hoary-extras enabled
[12:56] <thoreauputic> !codecs
[12:56] <ubotu> well, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:56] <djib> ok I was searching for a package named win32codecs
[12:56] <djib> that's why
[12:56] <djib> thanks
[12:57] <djib> and one more question (sorry but I'm a real newb with ubuntu)
[12:57] <djib> what are backports for ?
[12:57] <nalioth> djib: backports are programs from the future
[12:57] <djib> ok
[12:57] <apokryphos> programs that weren't able to make it for the freeze of the current version
[12:57] <djib> gotcha
[12:57] <apokryphos> so they're "backported"
[12:58] <djib> so maybe I don't need it ^^
[12:58] <nalioth> djib: ubuntu releases every 6 months. some of the programs in the world outside advance, but do not get added until the next release
[12:58] <djib> thanks
[12:58] <nalioth> so 'backports' are programs from the next release, available now
[12:58] <djib> and what does hoary-extras-staging mean
[12:58] <djib> I mean the word 'staging' 
[12:58] <djib> what does it mean ?
[12:58] <nalioth> djib: anything -staging means the programs are not quite ready for general use
[12:59] <djib> ok
[12:59] <djib> well thank you all very much
[12:59] <djib> I really enjoy kubuntu
[12:59] <apokryphos> =)
[12:59] <djib> it's the only disto I tried that got my wifi working
[12:59] <djib> just after the installation
[01:00] <djib> and you can hibernate
[01:00] <djib> and so many cool things
[01:00] <nalioth> djib: congrats!
[01:00] <djib> ^^
[01:00] <blackflag> hello all
[01:00] <djib> nalioth: it took me about a full month before having it work on my gentoo
[01:01] <nalioth> djib: well, that's gentoo
[01:01] <djib> hello blackflag 
[01:01] <djib> ^^
[01:01] <djib> yes
[01:01] <djib> I won't be using gentoo anymore
[01:01] <djib> I was away for one month so I didn't do any update
[01:02] <djib> when I came back I had 120 packages to compile... it took me 3 days !!!!
[01:02] <apokryphos> yeouch
[01:02] <blackflag> I have a problem/ question to gpg
[01:02] <nalioth> blackflag: ok ask
[01:02] <blackflag> when i use gpg on my linux and send it to win mail client the message is attached
[01:03] <apokryphos> kgpg!
[01:03] <blackflag> on the win is pgp
[01:03] <dabugas> hi
[01:03] <blackflag> when I try to decrypt with pgp Im not succesfull
[01:03] <nalioth> blackflag: how are you using gpg on your linux?
[01:03] <djib> blackflag: pgp is not open source I think
[01:03] <dabugas> i got a little problem: my applet clock informs me that the time is "00:06 London"
[01:03] <dabugas> what gives?
[01:04] <blackflag> pgp is open source
[01:04] <djib> is it ?
[01:04] <blackflag> yes
[01:04] <djib> i thought that gpg was ans pgp wasn't
[01:04] <nalioth> dabugas: right click on it, and select the option to change the format
[01:04] <nalioth> blackflag: can you not use gnupg on windows?
[01:04] <dabugas> the format is: SHORTWEEKDAY DD/MM/YY
[01:04] <djib> one more question to try and understand ubuntu : what are 'extras'
[01:04] <blackflag> no they make commercials with that is open source
[01:05] <djib> I mean what kind of package is it ?
[01:05] <blackflag> yes I can
[01:05] <nalioth> djib: gnupg is open source, pgp is public domain, i believe
[01:05] <blackflag> but others have pgp
[01:05] <djib> ok nalioth 
[01:05] <nalioth> blackflag: how are you using gpg on your linux?
[01:05] <dabugas> oh, wait, i got it.
[01:05] <nalioth> djib: extras are softwares that are 'legally questionable' re licences, etc
[01:06] <blackflag> Hmm I use kgpg
[01:06] <nalioth> blackflag: are you signing email, encrypting data, what?
[01:06] <blackflag> encrypting mails
[01:07] <blackflag> when I send it it is attached
[01:07] <blackflag> why?
[01:07] <blackflag> on the win box I have to save it first
[01:07] <nalioth> blackflag: kgpg isnt the best talked about gpg frontend
[01:08] <blackflag> then I can decrypt
[01:08] <nalioth> blackflag: does your email client support gpg natively?
[01:08] <nalioth> blackflag: or have a plugin?
[01:08] <blackflag> no, on the win box only with a plugin
[01:08] <nalioth> blackflag: i run thunderbird with enigmail plugin on my linux box, and every1 i send to gets their mail w/o a problem
[01:09] <blackflag> w/o?
[01:09] <nalioth> blackflag: they ask me what is the crazy stuff (gpg sig block) but they read their mail just fine from me
[01:09] <nalioth> without = w/o
[01:09] <blackflag> okay
[01:10] <blackflag> the sig is not the prob
[01:10] <blackflag> the encrypted msg
[01:10] <blackflag> mail
[01:10] <djib> how come flashplugin-nonfree is available without 'extras' enable
[01:11] <nalioth> i havent seen the need to encrypt anyones mail, i just clearsign all my mails
[01:11] <apokryphos> it's in Multiverse
[01:11] <blackflag> pgp cant read it when it arrives
[01:11] <apokryphos> not illegal, but proprietary
[01:11] <djib> oh ok
[01:11] <blackflag> cause its a attached mail
[01:11] <tungsten> nel | Non-kde-related
[01:11] <tungsten> nel | Non-kde-related
[01:11] <tungsten> nel | Non-kde-related
[01:11] <tungsten> nel | Non-kde-related
[01:11] <tungsten> nel | Non-kde-related
[01:11] <djib> that means then that if I have everything enabled but extras, all my distro will be legal
[01:12] <apokryphos> gah
[01:12] <blackflag> so how can I send encrypted mails to win users
[01:12] <blackflag> it has to be easily
[01:12] <blackflag> cause the most are not proffessionels
[01:14] <blackflag> Imlooking alot around the web but cant see a solution
[01:14] <blackflag> and the other thing is
[01:14] <tungsten> how do I get a history as sudo? sudo history does not work?
[01:14] <blackflag> when I have a .txt file i can encrypt it but have not some special caracters there
[01:15] <apokryphos> tungsten: please don't flood the channel again
[01:15] <nalioth> tungsten: sudo history is kept in /root/.bash_history
[01:15] <apokryphos> tungsten: you get a history of sudo under your normal user
[01:15] <tungsten> flood?
[01:15] <blackflag> the character set is set correctly
[01:15] <tungsten> huh?
[01:15] <apokryphos> tungsten: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1936
[01:16] <blackflag> someonse has an idea??
[01:16] <nalioth> blackflag: not for encrypting data, no
[01:16] <tungsten> thanks but I do not know what you are talking about flood?
[01:16] <blackflag> hmmmm....
[01:17] <blackflag> should I contact pgp?
[01:17] <nalioth> utter_: what happened to you?
[01:17] <djib> has any one of you installed a chinese input program ?
[01:17] <Wictory> bye everyone
[01:17] <apokryphos> tungsten: posting many times in a row without apparent cause.
[01:17] <nalioth> blackflag: i'd offer your windows folks the gnupg website
[01:17] <tungsten> keybd maybe stuck?
[01:18] <tungsten> sorry please accept my appology
[01:18] <blackflag> yes thats the a good way but the best is going Linux!!!
[01:18] <apokryphos> =)
[01:18] <blackflag> but some are ?angry
[01:19] <blackflag> going Linux
[01:19] <djib> do you know any good firewall with a good gui
[01:19] <blackflag> How you are telling others to go to linux?
[01:19] <blackflag> Its not so easy
[01:20] <apokryphos> !firewall
[01:20] <ubotu> [firewall]  Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[01:20] <blackflag> ups angry was the wrong word
[01:22] <blackflag> afraid!
[01:22] <tungsten> I upgraded from warty to kubuntu prob 2 weeks ago there is no record in /root/,bash_history is there a file that stores synaptic and aptitude commands?
[01:22] <blackflag> is the correct one I want to say
[01:22] <tungsten> I need to repeat the procedure on another machine
[01:24] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[01:24] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:24] <nalioth> djib: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[01:24] <nalioth> there is more than firestarter
[01:24] <nalioth> tungsten: aptitude and synaptic have no history
[01:26] <djib> ok nalioth 
[01:26] <djib> i'll read that
[01:26] <tungsten> ubuto: nice use of sed thanks
[01:27] <kailey> Breathe in...
[01:28] <nalioth> kailey: it's all good
[01:28] <apokryphos> kailey: can you http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl your /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[01:28] <kailey> Paste my /etc, etc?
[01:29] <nalioth> !paste
[01:29] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:29] <apokryphos> kailey: that link there is a pastebin service. Paste things into there, and then press "send"
[01:29] <apokryphos> kailey: in this case, it's your /etc/X11/xorg.conf we want to see, so paste it in there.
[01:29] <kailey> How do I get that?
[01:30] <nalioth> kailey: and then copy the URL in the address area and paste the URL in here
[01:30] <apokryphos> kailey: in terminal: gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:30] <apokryphos> from there you can copy it and then paste it onto that page
[01:30] <kailey> I copied that stuff..
[01:31] <kailey> I put it where?
[01:31] <apokryphos> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:31] <kailey> ...
[01:31] <tungsten> thanks agian good night
[01:31] <apokryphos> 'night ;)
[01:33] <apokryphos> kailey: be sure to click "Send" once it's in there.
[01:33] <djib> good night apokryphos 
[01:33] <kailey> I did
[01:33] <apokryphos> djib: 'night
[01:33] <apokryphos> ok
[01:34] <kailey> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1937
[01:35] <apokryphos> kailey: type this in a terminal: sudo sed -e 's/"1024x768"/"1280x1024" "1024x768"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:35] <nalioth> apokryphos: wow you're quick
[01:35] <kailey> Now what?
[01:36] <apokryphos> Mwuahaha. =)
[01:36] <apokryphos> kailey: log out and hit Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[01:36] <kailey> Log out of..
[01:36] <kailey> like click the log out button?
[01:36] <apokryphos> log out of gnome
[01:36] <kailey> mm....
[01:36] <apokryphos> once you have, ctrl alt backspace
[01:40] <Xorlev> An air conditioner is like a computer...they don't work with Windows open.
[01:41] <djib> does any one has kvlc ?
[01:42] <kailey> Howdy.
[01:42] <nalioth> kailey: here we go
[01:42] <apokryphos> djib: doesn't seem to be around
[01:42] <apokryphos> not even on kde-apps
[01:43] <djib> it seems to be a vlc frontend
[01:43] <djib> i found it doing an apt-cache search
[01:43] <nalioth> kailey: open a terminal pleae
[01:43] <kailey> Okay.
[01:44] <kailey> So huge... *sigh*
[01:44] <nalioth> kailey: we are gonna install the VESA driver for you
[01:44] <apokryphos> !info kvlc
[01:44] <ubotu> kvlc: (KDE frontend for VLC (dummy legacy package)), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
[01:44] <apokryphos> djib: oh, indeed.
[01:44] <djib> is it any good apokryphos ?
[01:44] <nalioth> kailey i'm gonna tell you how to start a wizard, and will be here to answer your questions as you go along 
[01:44] <djib> because I know vlc is excellet
[01:44] <kailey> Okay. Thank you nalioth.
[01:45] <nalioth> kailey: type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:45] <djib> (it was first developped by students from my school ^^)
[01:45] <apokryphos> djib: in my experience vlc is good for playing all sorts of vid files
[01:45] <apokryphos> though xine does it for me, most of the time.
[01:45] <kailey> A blue box came up.
[01:45] <djib> yes
[01:45] <djib> but vlc reads almost anythink
[01:45] <djib> -k+g
[01:45] <apokryphos> yup
[01:46] <nalioth> kailey: answer it's question if you know the answer, if not ,ask me in here
[01:46] <kailey> I don't know the answer... the question is attemt to
[01:46] <kailey> autodetect or ditect
[01:46] <nalioth> kailey: then click yes
[01:46] <kailey> video hardware
[01:47] <kailey> desired thing
[01:47] <kailey> x server driver
[01:47] <nalioth> kailey: choose VESA for the driver
[01:47] <kailey> enter an identifier for your video card
[01:48] <nalioth> typ
[01:48] <nalioth> hang on
[01:49] <nalioth> type your cards name, or your dogs name or something like 'my nvidia'
[01:49] <nalioth> or just accept the dafault
[01:49] <kailey> bus identifier
[01:49] <nalioth> click ok
[01:49] <kailey> pci:2:0:0
[01:50] <nalioth> kailey: click ok on the bus ID page
[01:50] <kailey> ...
[01:50] <apokryphos> nalioth: what driver does ubu set by default?
[01:51] <nalioth> apokryphos: whatever it autodetects, usually
[01:51] <nalioth> apokryphos: sometimes it doestn work too well
[01:51] <kailey> What mouse port should I do?
[01:51] <apokryphos> ps/2
[01:52] <kailey> that isn't up there
[01:52] <nalioth> kailey: you can accept the default for mouse
[01:52] <apokryphos> (presuming you have an average ps/2 mouse...not usb one)
[01:52] <kailey> all of them are /dev
[01:52] <nalioth> /dev/input/mice
[01:53] <kailey> select the video modes you would like the x server to use
[01:53] <kailey> how do I select them?
[01:54] <nalioth> kailey: use your space bar to enable/disable
[01:54] <nalioth> kailey: here is where you choose your resolution
[01:54] <nalioth> kailey: you may choose only one, if you only use one
[01:55] <nalioth> kailey: is this the space with resolutions or things like opengl, dri, etc?
[01:55] <kailey> Monitors best video mode select
[01:55] <nalioth> kailey: what kind of monitor (size) do you have and is it lcd or tube?
[01:55] <kailey> If I pick a higher number, does that mean it will look smaller?
[01:56] <nalioth> kailey: yes, the larger resolutions make everything look smaller
[01:56] <kailey> Thank you so much.
[01:56] <kailey> I love you.
[01:57] <nalioth> we arent done yet
[01:57] <kailey> Oh I know.
[01:57] <kailey> But
[01:57] <kailey> I'm not crying anymore.
[01:58] <apokryphos> it's not worth crying over computers :)
[01:58] <kailey> It makes my eyes hurt.
[01:58] <kailey> ><
[02:00] <kailey> Should I restart..? o.o;;
[02:00] <nalioth> kailey: once you are done, yes
[02:01] <kailey> Okay.
[02:01] <_marius> Hi i just installed kubuntu and i'm trying out translucency, but it is really crappy. However i think my graphicscard (ati radeon9100 / 128Mb) should be able to do this stuff. So what should i do ?
[02:01] <djib> I think that nvidia are better with translucency that ati
[02:02] <djib> I don't know if you can get real translucency with ati
[02:02] <nalioth> _marius: sorry, i dont run kubuntu often (and even then, i'm not much on eye-candy)
[02:03] <apokryphos> djib: ati have virtually no support for Linux
[02:03] <djib> yeah I know that apokryphos 
[02:04] <_marius> hmm so it will probably work on my box?
[02:04] <_marius> *not*
[02:04] <apokryphos> composite stuff with ATI is pretty lame, unfortunately.
[02:05] <_marius> that is a shame
[02:05] <aseigo> composite in general is pretty lame atm =)
[02:05] <aseigo> it'll be getting a lot better in time for (and with much better support for it in) kde4
[02:06] <aseigo> but for now it's pretty shaky
[02:06] <apokryphos> doesn't actually work at all with current ubuntu nvidia drivers
[02:06] <apokryphos> apparent bug in renderaccel
[02:06] <aseigo> (e.g. even on nvidia, if you run an OpenGL app and do something w/composite it'll more than likely fall over)
[02:07] <_marius> hmm i've seen a acer laptop doing some pretty fancy stuff today though
[02:07] <apokryphos> _marius: you can still try it out, if you want.
[02:07] <apokryphos> !composite
[02:07] <ubotu> I heard composite is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[02:08] <_marius> it's working on my box
[02:08] <_marius> its just slow as hell
[02:08] <apokryphos> yup; pretty much inevitable with ATI
[02:09] <apokryphos> my brother switched to some cheapo built-in graphics driver and it ran xcommgr better than his expensive ati
[02:09] <_marius> because they have no linux support right... i get it. shame though
[02:10] <apokryphos> indeed
[02:11] <_marius> i think the card should be able to pull it off without any trouble.. seeing how it performes with windows and games and stuff.
[02:12] <ToniEisner> _marius: give kanotix a try. its a live/linux distri and the developers have patched the drivers for ati.
[02:21] <_marius> ToniEisner: will they be releasing these patches ?
[02:21] <nalioth> _marius: patches usually wind their way around the community
[02:22] <erirlar> where can i find a package list for kubuntu?
[02:22] <nalioth> erirlar: packages.ubuntu.com i believe
[02:22] <apokryphos> erirlar: the list of package sthat the ISO has, or the packages that are available?
[02:22] <ToniEisner> _marius: Don't know ask in #kanotix (no need to mention that you're using kubunut :-) )
[02:22] <erirlar> packages that are available
[02:22] <apokryphos> what nalioth said then.
[02:23] <erirlar> thanks
[02:23] <ToniEisner> _marius: the guy who's using ati and do most of the driverse things is the founder of kanotix, his nick is kano
[02:23] <apokryphos> erirlar: there's also the kubuntu repository (see topic), which also just contain 3.4.2 for i386
[02:23] <nalioth> apokryphos: unfortunately only for x86
[02:24] <_marius> ToniEisner: thnx
[02:24] <apokryphos> yup
[02:24] <apokryphos> nalioth: all will have it for breezy, I'm sure. 
[02:24] <apokryphos> pretty sure that the 3.5 repo will be packaged for all, too.
[02:26] <apokryphos> aha, 3.4.2 for all are already in breezy
[02:27] <zimonline> hi all
[02:27] <apokryphos> hi there
[02:28] <zimonline> how do you fix the kcontrol so it works without having to sudo it
[02:28] <apokryphos> zimonline: your kcontrol doesn't startup with sudo-ing it?
[02:28] <apokryphos> or is this just in "administrator mode"?
[02:30] <zimonline> if i click the launcher it wont allow me me change anything as there is no root password i get round this by $sudo kcontrol from the terminal
[02:30] <nalioth> zimonline: dont use sudo on kde apps
[02:30] <nalioth> zimonline: use kdesu <appname>
[02:30] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[02:30] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[02:31] <zimonline> ok ty
[02:31] <apokryphos> what is it you're trying to change?
[02:31] <apokryphos> all things such as icons etc. you should need admin privelges for
[02:32] <zimonline> oh anything it was just buging me that when i wanted to get admin mode it failed
[02:32] <zimonline> it only works if you passwd root pass
[02:32] <apokryphos> good idea to update to 3.4.2 (if you can) where that issue is pretty much eliminated
[02:33] <zimonline> kewl
[02:33] <zimonline> thanks
[02:34] <zimonline> another unrelated Q but is anyone using ipcop
[02:35] <nalioth> zimonline: what is that?
[02:35] <zimonline> www.ipcop.org
[02:35] <blackflag> open source firewall
[02:35] <zimonline> firewall distro
[02:36] <zimonline> v coll
[02:36] <zimonline> vcool
[02:36] <nalioth> zimonline: iptables are an integral part of every linux (without iptables, linux doesnt work)
[02:36] <zimonline> just have a few Qs about it functions but there irc is a grave yard
[02:37] <nalioth> zimonline: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[02:37] <zimonline> i know that read on
[02:37] <blackflag> what is your q?
[02:37] <sorush20> how do I make sure that firefox runs thunderbird as my mail client rather than evolution.. 
[02:37] <nalioth> sorush20: i answered you in #ubuntu
[02:38] <zimonline> how does the intrusion detection tell you there is an intrusion
[02:38] <sorush20> nalioth: I'm not using gnome.. and I can't find what you said.. 
[02:38] <nalioth> sorush20: in thunderbirds prefs, should be a checkbox to make it default
[02:39] <blackflag> When I remeber it correct than there is a logfile
[02:40] <zimonline> ok so you cant make it squeek or email or somthing more proactive
[02:40] <flugh> zimonline: when the kiddie sends you a 'wall' containing your credit-card numbers ;)
[02:40] <apokryphos> sorush20: also: kcontrol -> kde components -> Component chooser -> Email client
[02:41] <zimonline> flugh what???
[02:41] <zimonline> you lost me
[02:41] <flugh> zimonline: (thats when the intrusion dection tells you there was an intrusion)
[02:41] <nalioth> apokryphos: i will try to remember that one
[02:42] <blackflag> zimonline: I think there is a need of deeper knowing of snort
[02:43] <zimonline> still lost must need more coffee
[02:43] <zimonline> yup
[02:43] <zimonline> there is
[02:43] <flugh> zimonline: nah, it was a stretch. long-reach at dry humor/sarcasm. you're fine, i'm just not funny
[02:43] <blackflag> and some expert saiys that it is not a good idea to have a firewall and an IDS an the same box!
[02:44] <zimonline> IDS ?
[02:44] <flugh> in intrusion detection system
[02:44] <zimonline> doh sorry
[02:45] <blackflag> cause the ids sets the nic in promicious mode, thats the reason
[02:45] <zimonline> of to read up on snort any last words of wisdom ie read this
[02:46] <sorush20> apokryphos: nalioth I have done the kcontrol -> kde components -> Component chooser -> Email client, but it doesn't work and also I can't find the check box so that it is the default in the thunderbird prefs
[02:46] <apokryphos> firefox has one... not sure about TB. Edit -> Prefs -> General, IIRC.
[02:47] <apokryphos> that in kcontrol will make it default for kde apps (not firefox, though)
[03:01] <blackflag> okay, time to make a boo boo, good night :-)
[03:17] <c0rrupt_> ello
[03:21] <_ari> hey, someone here help me get the drivers to work on my GeForce chip?
[03:23] <_ari> anybody here?
[03:23] <nalioth> not that knows about geforce chips
[03:23] <_ari> okay :)
[03:23] <_ari> I'll just wait then
[03:35] <frank23> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:35] <frank23> _ari: ^^
[03:35] <_ari> yeah
[03:35] <_ari> what do I do?
[03:36] <frank23> follow the link I just pasted
[03:36] <_ari> okay
[03:36] <_ari> thanks :D
[03:37] <_ari> ummmmmmm....it doesn't work
[03:37] <_ari> it just crashes on me :(
[03:37] <frank23> what crashes?
[03:39] <_ari> nevermind :)
[03:39] <_ari> okay, I got the packages, but I can't enable the config like it said
[03:39] <_ari> what should I do?
[03:40] <frank23> what do you mean? error message?
[03:41] <_ari> "nvidia-glx-config: command not found"
[03:42] <apokryphos> you apparently didn't install nvidia-glx
[03:42] <_ari> *sigh*
[03:42] <_ari> I'll check
[03:43] <frank23> assuming you did install, I've seen it happen that the new application is not immediately found in the path. try opening a new shell
[03:44] <_ari> ummm.........
[03:45] <_ari> I'm using Kynaptic, and I click to install the package, but it just won't do it
[03:46] <darksoul> hey
[03:46] <frank23> did you click "commit" or "apply"? I forget the exact button
[03:46] <_ari> I've installed a lot of packages, but it has never done this
[03:46] <apokryphos> _ari: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx   ...from terminal
[03:46] <frank23> nevermind..
[03:46] <_ari> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:46] <_ari> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:47] <_ari> that's the error I get :(
[03:47] <darksoul> were do i download linux games?
[03:47] <nalioth> _ari: you need to run kynaptic using "kdesu"
[03:47] <frank23> close kynaptic
[03:47] <frank23> then run apt-get
[03:47] <nalioth> _ari: or close other instances of kynaptic, synaptic or apt
[03:48] <_ari> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:48] <_ari>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:48] <_ari> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1
[03:48] <darksoul> were do i download linux games
[03:48] <_ari> there was another error too
[03:48] <darksoul> ???
[03:49] <frank23> darksoul: check the gaming section of the forums
[03:49] <_ari> :-/
[03:49] <darksoul> were do i get linux games
[03:49] <_ari> "<frank23> darksoul: check the gaming section of the forums"
[03:49] <apokryphos> darksoul: quit flooding the channel
[03:49] <darksoul> is there any kind of program for linux to make flash?
[03:50] <nalioth> darksoul: gplflash
[03:50] <_ari> do you guys know what my problem is?
[03:50] <frank23> _ari: well you didn't really paste the error message
[03:51] <_ari> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:51] <_ari>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[03:52] <frank23> _ari: is that all? I don't know what that means?
[03:52] <apokryphos> _ari: we're only getting sketches there. Can you pastebin the whole output?
[03:53] <_ari> http://pastebin.com/355737
[03:53] <_ari> that's the error, I can do the whole script if you want
[03:54] <_ari> http://pastebin.com/355738
[03:54] <_ari> that's the whole script :)
[03:55] <apokryphos> weird
[03:55] <apokryphos> I've told them their nvidia xorg packs ar eshaky before :D
[03:55] <_ari> *sigh*
[03:55] <apokryphos> still, that shouldn't produce an error.. one sec.
[03:55] <frank23> I don't know what the problem is...
[03:55] <_ari> :-/
[03:56] <apokryphos> ah, you have fglrx installed apparently
[03:56] <apokryphos> apt should still select to remove that though..
[03:57] <apokryphos> if you have it installed, remove fglrx-driver
[03:59] <_ari> nice!
[03:59] <_ari> thanks guys
[03:59] <_ari> that worked :)
[03:59] <_ari> how you know this stuff, I'll never know......
[03:59] <_ari> I have to restart X though, see yah!
[04:35] <darksoul> is there a sudo apt-get install command for a flash maker?
[04:36] <darksoul> .
[04:37] <nalioth> darksoul: there is a very alpha flash tool
[04:37] <nalioth> f4l.sourceforge.net
[04:38] <darksoul> yea but i cant install it right
[04:38] <darksoul> wont work
[04:40] <nalioth> it doestn work for lots of folks, thats why its called alpha
[04:49] <Hentai> Can I install kubuntu though the live CD?
[04:50] <Hentai^NT> Can I install kubuntu though the live CD?
[04:50] <nalioth> nope
[04:51] <nalioth> Hentai^NT: no only the install cd
[04:52] <Hentai^NT> argh
[04:53] <Hentai^NT> WHY!
[04:53] <Hentai^NT> oh well
[05:05] <aj_calrissian> in Kynaptic does it keep the latest (stable) version of programs. ie OO.o???
[05:06] <rahotep> hi room, howsit going?
[05:08] <aj_calrissian> hi rahotep
[05:08] <aj_calrissian> a little dry atm
[05:11] <rahotep> hi aj, yeah :)
[05:11] <rahotep> aj, how long have you been using linux?
[05:11] <pussfeller> anyone now why gwenview doesnt handle rars and cbrs, its supposed to
[05:11] <aj_calrissian> not very long
[05:12] <aj_calrissian> you?
[05:12] <pussfeller> seeing as thats like the main use for it
[05:12] <rahotep> yeah, me neither, but I'm liking Kubuntu
[05:12] <aj_calrissian> yeah, i'm loving it!!!
[05:12] <aj_calrissian> I've tried several others including Ubuntu, but so far Kubuntu is the best
[05:13] <aj_calrissian> and so stinking easy!
[05:13] <rahotep> sorry, pussfeller, I don't know much about gwenview -- it's worked fine for jpegs for me, but I haven't used it for anything else
[05:13] <rahotep> Yeah, I tried many others too, and Kubuntu seems the friendliest
[05:13] <aj_calrissian> yeah
[05:13] <aj_calrissian> especially the Kynaptic installer
[05:14] <aj_calrissian> or PM I guess is more correct
[05:14] <pussfeller> its the best binary distro i ever used
[05:16] <rahotep> yeah, I really like it -- but I switch to Synaptic instead of Kynaptic -- not as pretty but seems easier to use
[05:16] <aj_calrissian> really?
[05:17] <aj_calrissian> do I have to get that from kynaptic?
[05:17] <jsubl2> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:17] <rahotep> yeah, more documentation of what's being installed, etc. -- you don't have to give up kynaptic, but u can use Synaptic as well
[05:17] <aj_calrissian> nm got it from kynaptic
[05:17] <rahotep> yep
[05:17] <rahotep> guys, I have a noobie boot question...
[05:17] <aj_calrissian> yeah!!!!!
[05:17] <aj_calrissian> yay!!!!!!!!!!
[05:18] <rahotep> whenever I boot -- a bunch of windows are already open (It's like an old session trying to restore or something) -- I'd like to stop that from happening.  Any ideas?
[05:19] <aj_calrissian> not a clue man
[05:19] <aj_calrissian> I'm newer than you I think
[05:20] <rahotep> yeah -- it seems like one of those "convenience" features that is no longer very convenient
[05:20] <aj_calrissian> yup
[05:22] <aj_calrissian> anyone know if when I choose update from kynaptic whether or not it grabs the latest stable version of a program?
[05:22] <rahotep> as far as packages go, I've also heard Kpackage is very good, especially if you are using stuff that isn't in the apt repositories (like .deb packages you download yourself)
[05:22] <nalioth> rahotep: when you log out, look for a checkbox to do with "save session" or something like that
[05:22] <aj_calrissian> example: OO.o
[05:22] <nalioth> aj_calrissian: if there is an upgrade, yes
[05:22] <aj_calrissian> hmm
[05:22] <pussfeller> close the apps you dont want to start up again before you shutdown is one way
[05:23] <aj_calrissian> well OO.o seems to be at version 1.1.3.  when I know it's at 1.1.4 on the net
[05:23] <rahotep> nalioth -- thanks, I"ll try that :)
[05:23] <rahotep> pussfeller, thanks, but they were only open once, many boots ago -- now they come up every time
[05:25] <rahotep> i'm guessing some open apps saved "open" -- but I've long since closed them, and they keep showing up at every boot
[05:26] <rahotep> OO.o is great -- but I'm not sure why the version seems lower -- maybe the linux and windows OO.o version numbers are different??  dunno
[05:27] <taw> how can i install scim for kde ?
[05:27] <taw> http://ubuntuguide.org/#scim works only for gnome
[05:27] <nalioth> !tell taw about ubuntuguide
[05:28] <pussfeller> you can get a version of OO 2.o
[05:29] <pussfeller> dont know how it handles the java thing
[05:30] <nalioth> taw: do you use synaptic?
[05:30] <taw> nalioth: aptitude usually
[05:30] <nalioth> taw: ok do you have all your repos enabled?
[05:31] <taw> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:31] <taw> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[05:31] <taw> etc.
[05:31] <taw> seeems so
[05:31] <taw> but only scim for gnome is there
[05:31] <nalioth> then installing scim shouldnt be a problem
[05:31] <nalioth> taw: use your aptitude to install it
[05:32] <taw> i only see scim for gnome, and kde programs don't see it
[05:32] <aj_calrissian> speaking of java what is the best way to get that installed?
 http://ubuntuguide.org/#scim works only for gnome
[05:33] <nalioth> taw: forget ubuntuguide
[05:33] <arbir> hello
[05:33] <nalioth> taw: ubuntuguide will get you into trouble
[05:33] <aj_calrissian> I tried from the sun site but I couldn't seem to get it to work
[05:33] <arbir> is there a way to change my DPI in kubutu ?
[05:33] <nalioth> taw, you cant "sudo aptitude install scim"  ?
[05:33] <pussfeller> aj_calrissian: i would just use suns client unless you have some ideological concern
[05:33] <taw> oh, i totally love the ubuntuguide
[05:33] <taw> nalioth: i DID apt-get install scim
[05:33] <nalioth> taw: some of the info is just plain wrong on the guide
[05:34] <pussfeller> the ubuntuguide has a way to install it
[05:34] <taw> nalioth: and it DOES work with gtk apps
[05:34] <nalioth> taw: so do the "K" > run command > scim
[05:34] <taw> nalioth: however it does not work with kde apps
[05:34] <pussfeller> i didnt have any problems with ubuntuguide, but thats just me
[05:34] <aj_calrissian> I'm not concerned one way or the other, I just want to be able to get around on the net without the "install java plugin" continually coming up
[05:34] <taw> no, scim is not an aplication, it's a input method switch
[05:35] <nalioth> i run stuff on either desktop w/o any trouble
[05:35] <aj_calrissian> without having to turn back to MS!!!
[05:35] <rahotep> last time I used ubuntuguide was a week ago, and many of the repositories were giving me errors
[05:35] <pussfeller> maybe someone needs to make an unnoffical script taht will automatically install all the common stuff people want that are in the other repos
[05:35] <aj_calrissian> :P
[05:35] <rahotep> yeah, pussfeller, that's a good idea
[05:35] <nalioth> taw: oh. i dont know about input methods, lemme look at something
[05:35] <pussfeller> which would be a nice compliment to the guide
[05:36] <arbir> test
[05:36] <arbir> test
[05:36] <nalioth> taw i'm at the scim homepage and i see no reason it wont work in kde
[05:37] <aj_calrissian> anyone know of some good games to get?
[05:37] <aj_calrissian> and an easy way to install them?
[05:37] <rahotep> the script (and the guide) need to be kept updated -- I think a number of those items get old really fast
[05:38] <rahotep> frozen-bubble is a fun little game -- I think it's in the apt universe
[05:38] <taw> Nakkel: docs say sothing about immodule-qt
[05:38] <nalioth> aj_calrissian: open synaptic and look at the games section
[05:38] <taw> damn tab
[05:38] <taw> nalioth: docs say sothing about immodule-qt
[05:38] <aj_calrissian> I already got all those
[05:38] <nalioth> taw: have you tried to run it or start it?
[05:38] <rahotep> I eventually got the darwinia demo working -- it was really cool, but I had to pull all the packages directly from their site (they had good instructions, it just took me a while to figure out)
[05:39] <taw> nalioth: yes, gtk apps like xchat let me switch input methods, kde apps don't
[05:39] <aj_calrissian> I'm looking for something more involved
[05:39] <pussfeller> what you mean, input methods
[05:39] <rahotep> unreal tournament 2004 is supposed to run on linux -- it's pretty fun, costs about $20
[05:39] <nalioth> taw: i'm not really the man to ask about deep level stuff like input methods
[05:39] <pussfeller> it runs
[05:39] <aj_calrissian> k
[05:40] <nalioth> taw: i can only offer "d/l the source code and compile it for yourself locally" and see what happens
[05:40] <pussfeller> so does serious sam, quake3 and all the mods
[05:40] <taw> pussfeller: that i select "Japanese" from the menu and i can write   in all gtk apps
[05:40] <rahotep> yeah, sam and quake are good too
[05:40] <pussfeller> ah thats cool
[05:40] <taw> pussfeller: then, i switch back and have normal keyboard layout
[05:41] <taw> like on windows xp or sth
[05:41] <koalah> how do i fiind my partions like, hda3 etc?
[05:41] <rahotep> does anybody here know anything about "system restore" stuff?
[05:41] <koalah> a listing i mean
[05:41] <nalioth> koalah: open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l"
[05:41] <pussfeller> koalah: mount
[05:42] <pussfeller> is one way
[05:42] <taw> http://www.scim-im.org/projects/skim this seems to be relevant
[05:42] <pussfeller> or cfdisk /dev/hda
[05:43] <taw> but just ugly tarballs and rpms
[05:43] <rahotep> I think all of the partitions will at least list in the /dev/ directory
[05:43] <koalah> sweet
[05:44] <rahotep> also, I think the readable ones are usually put by kubuntu into the System menu (next to the K) under "Storage Media" 
[05:45] <koalah> ahhh, look at that :)
[05:45] <rahotep> yeah, took me  a while to find it -- nice little menu :)
[05:47] <taw> and it still requires qt-immodule that ubuntu doesn't have
[05:47] <nalioth> taw: you may have to find the qt-immodule homepage and compile it yourself
[05:48] <rahotep> ok guys, I gotta go -- might be back, but have a good night if I don't see ya
[05:48] <rahotep> wish me luck figuring out this session restore thing :/
[05:50] <taw> nalioth: i've already learned that compiling libraries simply does not work
[05:51] <nalioth> taw: really? success is in the repetition
[05:51] <taw> nalioth: they use different layout in each distro, it simply can't work
[05:52] <nalioth> taw: i'd imagine if you compile it and point it at the kde includes.. ..
[05:53] <taw> nalioth: it would probably make me recompile kdelibs and all kde apps
[05:53] <nalioth> taw: i dont know much more , i'm just a long time user, not a progrmmer 
[05:59] <pussfeller> which one of these keyboard options in the control center for a logitech elite, non wireless
[06:12] <Hentai^NT> Hentai^NT> resierfs 3.6, ext3fs, or jfs?
 which should I choose
[06:13] <Kuolio> go with the ext3fs, i think it's the most stable one of that lot
[06:14] <Hentai^NT> NTFS! lol I'll go with jfs
[06:15] <arlington> hey guys. can i get the macromedia plugin for FF through synaptic/kynaptic?
[06:16] <kalenedrael> FF?
[06:16] <Hentai^NT> nalioth I decided to install knoppix instead
[06:16] <Hentai^NT> firefox
[06:17] <Hentai^NT> firefox = FF
[06:17] <kalenedrael> (it's late, i forget dumb things)
[06:17] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:17] <Hentai^NT> np
[06:17] <Hentai^NT> I'm tired too
[06:17] <kalenedrael> arlington, i suggest getting it from macromedia directly
[06:17] <kalenedrael> the flash plugin works fine in 32-bit
[06:17] <kalenedrael> there is no 64-bit
[06:17] <kalenedrael> which i hate >:(
[06:18] <kalenedrael> x86_64
[06:19] <koalah> whats typical under options for fstab?
[06:19] <koalah> auto?
[06:20] <kalenedrael> there's no such thing as 'typical'...
[06:20] <kalenedrael> are you trying to configure a HD partition?
[06:20] <kalenedrael> user,rw,noauto would be my suggestion...
[06:20] <koalah> i need a listing for my winXP partitions
[06:21] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:21] <kalenedrael> user,ro,noauto
[06:21] <kalenedrael> ro = readonly so you don't fuck up the system with the flaky ntfs write
[06:21] <kalenedrael> user = users can mount it
[06:21] <koalah> is noauto for automatic mounting
[06:21] <kalenedrael> noauto = not mounted at boot (i think)
[06:21] <koalah> oh
[06:21] <kalenedrael> anyway, check the fstab man page
[06:22] <koalah> ;)
[06:22] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:22] <kalenedrael> there are probably multiple fstab manpages
[06:23] <kalenedrael> ok, from the mount manpage
[06:23] <kalenedrael> "noauto Can only be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not cause the file system to be mounted)."
[06:24] <kalenedrael> i.e. if you mount -a or umount -a, it won't affect that partition...
[06:24] <kalenedrael> that's all
[07:45] <setite> where is xsane?
[07:48] <Xorlev> It was lost when it went xinsane.
[07:49] <Xorlev> xsane: /usr/bin/xsane /usr/share/man/man1/xsane.1.gz
[07:49] <Xorlev> Run whereis xsane
[08:02] <lascar> i'm trying to install java
[08:02] <lascar> and i've forgotten the url to add in my repository for it
[08:02] <Xorlev> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <noirequus> Xorlev: please dont do that
[08:04] <noirequus> !java
[08:04] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:05] <aftertaf> hi all, good morning :)
[08:06] <nalioth> aftertaf: howdy
[08:07] <aftertaf> i slept a lot better last night... should be more on form :)
[08:08] <nalioth> aftertaf: watching your backswing?
[08:08] <aftertaf> oh yeah... holes in 1 all day, you just watch ;)
[08:18] <lascar> could i get that url again please?
[08:20] <nalioth> !java
[08:20] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:22] <lascar> nalioth: good evening and thank you
[08:22] <nalioth> np
[08:22] <nalioth> i'm either in here or #ubuntu
[08:22] <Hentai^NT> or....
[08:22] <nalioth> or ##apple if you happen to have any apple questions
[08:23] <lascar> cool
[08:23] <nalioth> Hentai^NT: you really must finish your thoughts
[08:23] <lascar> ;)
[08:23] <Hentai^NT> err it wasn't a thuough
[08:23] <Hentai^NT> t
[08:24] <Hentai^NT> would of gone and said the whole thing but didn't know if you cared
[08:25] <Hentai^NT> just got back from mcdonalds
[08:26] <nalioth> Hentai^NT: and how is ronald?
[08:26] <lascar> nalioth: which line(s) should the extra repoitory be added to?
[08:26] <lascar> *repository
[08:27] <nalioth> lascar: a line of it's own
[08:27] <Hentai^NT> nalioth...lol I was hungry abit...ate 4 Mchickens 1 double cheese burger and a muflury
[08:27] <Hentai^NT> mc
[08:27] <Hentai^NT> the day is getting slower
[08:27] <nalioth> lascar: so that when you are finished fetching whatever it is you desire, you may comment it out
[08:28] <nalioth> Hentai^NT: really? you were hungry and only ate 5 sandwiches and a  mcflurry?
[08:28] <Hentai^NT> I only weigh 120 pounds anyways
[08:28] <lascar> nalioth: now i'm confused
[08:29] <lascar> what should the contents of the line entail?
[08:29] <lascar> "hoary-extras?"
[08:29] <nalioth> lascar: hang aon
[08:29] <Hentai^NT> uh oh
[08:30] <nalioth> lascar: PM coming
[08:31] <lascar> ok
[08:31] <nalioth> make sure the last line is all on one line
[08:44] <lascar> does anyone hear know anything about cedega?
[08:45] <nalioth> lascar: not much except you can get the developemental (no support) for free
[08:46] <lascar> old versions of it
[08:47] <nalioth> either or
[08:50] <Hentai^NT> wine never worked for me
[08:50] <aftertaf> Hentai^NT:  Drink Beer :D
[08:51] <Hentai^NT> I hate beer
[08:54] <lascar> i'm trying to get wine to work too
[08:54] <lascar> and what's the command to delete files?
[08:54] <delmonico> hi :) does anybody know whats the kde equivalent to gnome-volume-manger?
[08:54] <delmonico> lascar: rm
[08:55] <lascar> nalioth: and cut?
[08:55] <lascar> or more like move?
[08:56] <lascar> wait, mv?
[08:56] <delmonico> right
[08:57] <delmonico> if you don't know what a command does, try "whatis your_command", it will tell you ;) and use "man your_command" for documentation
[09:01] <lascar> ty
[09:03] <froggy25> hey i need help with something
[09:03] <delmonico> hi froggy25 feel free to ask
[09:04] <froggy25> i just downloaded qnext of the internet and im trying to set up an icon in my kmenu
[09:04] <froggy25> but it wont let me
[09:04] <froggy25> i need to know what i should do to fix this
[09:04] <froggy25> i can access qnext with terminal
[09:04] <froggy25> but putting cd /home/froggy25/qnext
[09:04] <froggy25> and then ./qnext
[09:05] <froggy25> after i put that in qnext starts
[09:05] <froggy25> what should i do 
[09:05] <delmonico> whats the problem with kmenu?
[09:05] <froggy25> i want to setup an icon to start up qnext
[09:05] <froggy25> but i dont know what to put into the command part
[09:05] <froggy25> on menu editor
[09:06] <delmonico> ah yes. try this: create a file qnext.sh with this content:
[09:06] <delmonico> #!/bin/sh
[09:06] <froggy25> ok
[09:06] <froggy25> hold on
[09:06] <delmonico> cd /home/froggy25/qnext
[09:06] <delmonico> ./qnext
[09:06] <froggy25> i use kate for that right
[09:06] <delmonico> yes
[09:07] <froggy25> the first thing i put is #!/bin/sh right
[09:07] <delmonico> right
[09:07] <froggy25> ok what next
[09:07] <delmonico> then the commands you would use in a shell to start it
[09:08] <froggy25> is that cd /home/froggy25/qnext
[09:08] <froggy25> then ./qnext
[09:08] <delmonico> right
[09:08] <delmonico> line by line
[09:08] <froggy25> ok i have 3 lines done
[09:08] <froggy25> is that it
[09:09] <delmonico> then do "chmod +x qnext.sh" (to make your script executable) and in the command part in kmenu you put the path to your script (should be /home/froggy25/qnext.sh)
[09:09] <delmonico> yes 3 lines is fine
[09:09] <froggy25> what do i put chmod +x qnext.sh into
[09:09] <froggy25> terminal
[09:09] <delmonico> yes
[09:09] <froggy25> with root or user
[09:09] <delmonico> user should be ok
[09:10] <froggy25> do i save that new script before i turn it into an executable
[09:10] <froggy25> right
[09:12] <froggy25> what should i name this file
[09:12] <froggy25> it wont let me save as qnext.sh
[09:12] <froggy25> do i save it on my desktop first
[09:12] <froggy25> then drag it into my qnext folder
[09:13] <aftertaf> guys,  what is the diff between the /etc/rc1-6.d & the rcS.d dir ?? rcS.d is where the stop scripts are called from?
[09:16] <djib> hello
[09:16] <froggy25> hey delmonico im still having problems with this
[09:16] <djib> I need help with the network
[09:16] <aftertaf> !tell froggy about cli
[09:16] <djib> I've just installed my kubuntu and did only a few changes (software installation basically)
[09:17] <djib> now the network won't start
[09:17] <djib> when I do a /etc/init.d/network start it says fail
[09:18] <djib> and I get a message like this /etc/init.d/networking: line 20: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter: Permission non accorde
[09:18] <aftertaf> what is supposed to start ? (eth0 / WiFi) ?
[09:18] <aftertaf> oh la saloperie :D
[09:18] <djib> four times, witl 'all' 'eth0' 'lo' et 'default'
[09:19] <djib> je sui bien d'accord avec toi aftertaf !
[09:19] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:19] <djib> aftertaf: it's supposed to start eth1, witch is ethernet
[09:19] <aftertaf> ok
[09:19] <aftertaf> what is eth0? 
[09:20] <djib> wifi
[09:20] <aftertaf> ok, i remember you did something yesterday to change default route right?
[09:20] <djib> no... not as far as I remember
[09:21] <djib> I installed a firewall but I'm pretty sure it's not the problem
[09:21] <djib> yo spiral 
[09:21] <spiral> hi
[09:22] <aftertaf> hmm. networking is my weakest point in nux.
[09:22] <djib> ^^
[09:23] <djib> damned
[09:23] <djib> I've gotta go anyway
[09:23] <Tm_T> =)
[09:23] <djib> I'll be back in half an hour maybe more
[09:23] <lascar> eth0 != wireless
[09:23] <lascar> wlan0 = wireless
[09:33] <_brian> hello
[09:35] <nalioth> howdy
[09:35] <Hentai^NT> hello
[09:36] <nalioth> Hentai^NT: you're from Texas, speak Texan
[09:36] <customer> hello
[09:37] <customer> i would like to ask what is the default password of ROOT  in KDE
[09:37] <nalioth> !tell customer about root
[09:37] <customer> anybody can help me plz
[09:38] <nalioth> ubotu has helped you
[09:38] <ubotu> nalioth: I don't know
[09:38] <nalioth> !botsnack
[09:38] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[09:38] <_brian> anyone experienced in getting wifi working?
[09:39] <nalioth> _brian: sorry, no. ask in #ubuntu
[09:39] <_brian> thanks, i'll try it
[09:41] <aftertaf> yes there is!!!
[09:41] <aftertaf> but no idea bout wifi
[09:41] <nalioth> _brian: hae you visited wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation   ?
[09:42] <_brian> i've visited lots of places, but let me make sure, so i can check that off my list
[09:43] <_brian> _nalioth this could be usefull...
[09:44] <djib> hey
[09:44] <djib> I'm back
[09:45] <customer> me too
[09:45] <customer> im back
[09:45] <djib> ^^
[09:45] <delmonico> anyone knows what packages I need to have automounting of mass-storage usb stuff in kde? I installed dbus, hal, pmount but something seems to be missing
[09:45] <aftertaf> :)
[09:54] <lascar> g'night all
[10:07] <derFlo> hi. how can I start kde apps (ksayit) in systray? this app has an systray icon and i can minimize it, but it always starts with a window. I don't want that.
[10:08] <derFlo> there's no option in this app. kopete and other apps have options for that
[10:17] <delmonico> derFlo: have a look at kstart, it might help you
[10:17] <derFlo> ah, thx
[10:20] <derFlo> awesome!
[10:20] <m0ns00n> Anyone know a channel where I can discuss quanta for kde?
[10:20] <delmonico> #kde?
[10:21] <m0ns00n> Isn't that a bit futile? :-D
[10:21] <m0ns00n> To discuss one app
[10:21] <m0ns00n> That's like joining #windows to talk about InDesign
[10:21] <m0ns00n> hehe
[10:22] <nalioth> m0ns00n: tried #quanta?
[10:32] <m0ns00n> nalioth: Have you?
[10:32] <nalioth> have i what?
[10:33] <m0ns00n> nalioth: Not to be rude, but isn't that an elementary question?
[10:33] <m0ns00n> :-)
[10:33] <m0ns00n> :-) It's like asking, "have you tired on irc?"
[10:34] <m0ns00n> If you dpn'
[10:34] <m0ns00n> if you don't know how to help, then I'll wait till somebody knows. That's all. No offence.
[10:35] <nalioth> m0ns00n: there are channels here for almost every major project, this IS the developer network
[10:36] <nalioth> and some people have no idea they can join #kde and get kde answers
[10:36] <nalioth> for example
[10:36] <nalioth> so "tried #whatever " is help
[10:38] <m0ns00n> :-D
[10:38] <m0ns00n> There was only me in #quanta
[10:38] <nalioth> welcome to #quanta
[10:38] <m0ns00n> sure, but nobody there
[10:39] <nalioth> try #kde, there are lots of folks in there (surely)
[10:52] <aftertaf> 180 of em ...
[10:52] <aftertaf> +1 :)
[11:26] (nikkia/#kubuntu) its self-hosted, i just use it as a dumping/testing ground, really
[11:27] (nikkia/#kubuntu) my real website is elsewhere, but there's not much to see there either :)
[11:27] (nikkia/#kubuntu) the only real thing on my self-hosted site, is http://nikki.sexadelic.com/~nikki/blog
[11:27] <nalioth> uh-huh
[11:28] <nikkia> nalioth: did you listen to the mp3 btw ?
[11:28] <nalioth> from the mind of nikkia 
[11:28] <nalioth> nikkia: am working on it
[11:28] <customer> why i can't edit the time settings of my KDE 3.4.0?
[11:29] <nalioth> nikkia: you've got it! sounds just like church
[11:30] <nikkia> nalioth: that'd be because a lot of churches use drawbar organs :)
[11:30] <nikkia> nalioth: although i don't think any play whiter shade of pale :P
[11:30] <nalioth> just can't play any
[11:31] <nikkia> my next two soft-synth projects are a bit more complex...
[11:31] <nikkia> 1) a PPG-like wavetable synth, 2) a Oberheim-like synth
[11:32] <nalioth> nikkia: ich nicht verstehen
[11:32] <nikkia> ?
[11:32] <nalioth> nikkia: exactly. i have no clue what those 2 items are
[11:33] <aftertaf> lol
[11:33] <nikkia> nalioth: the Oberheim is a classic synth series, you're bound to have heard it, the keyboards on the van halen song 'Jump' were classic OB-8 sounds, so much so that they were the default preset 1 on later Oberheims
[11:33] <aftertaf> glam rock :D
[11:34] <nikkia> the PPG was a classic german synth that was very popular in the 80s, it has a disctinctive sound, but i can't really point to it in any particular song, its most noticable feature was that it could morph sounds somewhat
[11:34] <aftertaf> kraut rock :D
[11:34] <nalioth> nikkia: ah. thank you
[11:35] <nikkia> PPGs are hideously expensive, they only built a few thousand, and these days you can expect to pay $50-100k for a mint condition PPG
[11:36] <nikkia> (although i'm not sure why people bother, Waldorf do still make a modern version of the PPG)
[11:39] <nikkia> http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/ppg/  <- a good bit about the PPG, and who played them :)
[11:42] <jimmy_neutron> ppg like PowerPuffGirls?
[11:42] <nikkia> jimmy_neutron: no, as in Palm Products Germany
[11:43] <jimmy_neutron> ohh, k, :>
[11:44] <chx> nikkia: do you have any idea why KDE does not pop up the (S)FTP password window any more :( ?
[11:45] <nikkia> chx, i dunno, i've noticed it stops asking, i have to use the username/pass in the url bar (at least it hides the password once you hit enter) - i assume you ARE referring to konqueror here
[11:45] <nikkia> s/stops/stopped
[11:46] <nikkia> chx, best suggestion is probably to ask on #kde, they might know if its a 'feature' (ie, they removed it for a reason) or a bug
[11:46] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm ignorant. wh/a/t is th/i/s  ?
[11:47] <customer> nikkia: how to mount a network folder?
[11:47] <nikkia> nalioth: (s)ed style regex replacement :)
[11:48] <customer> why is it i can't mount folder in network
[11:48] <chx> nikkia: well, I also fixed it by adding pwd to URL, but it's not just konqueror, KATE and I guess everything else does the same, kio related probably
[11:48] <jimmy_neutron> is there a gui for samba?
[11:48] <nikkia> chx, yeah, i imagine they changed the kio, but as i said, no idea if its a bug or feature
[11:48] <customer> when i right click the folder there is no "mount" selection
[11:49] <chx> jimmy_neutron: yep
[11:49] <aftertaf> i have a pb with kdesu too, on changing the system time
[11:49] <aftertaf> for some reasn i'm stuck 2hrs in front :o
[11:49] <chx> komba2 and smb4k are samba/KDE related
[11:50] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[11:51] <nalioth> well folks, keep up the good work, it's time for a nap
[12:02] <jordib> quit
[12:14] <jimmy_neutron> is there anything like a task manager in kubuntu? (excep ps -ef)
[12:16] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  hit ctrl & esc 
[12:16] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[12:34] <henk> Hi, if i do apt-get install mozilla-firefox will it get installed nicely into kde etc ? or does it require extra setup ? Or should i just get firefox from their site ?
[12:39] <jimmy_neutron> anyone here who has used/is using the Logitech V500 mouse?
[12:40] <Kuolio> henk: just do sudo apt-get install firefox or use synaptic/kynaptic, it will install and set-up ff
[12:40] <Kuolio> or, rather than use apt-get, type in aptitude to use aptitude \o/
[12:41] <Kuolio> (aptitude install firefox)
[12:44] <jimmy_neutron> hmm die mx610 sieht auch gut aus
[12:47] <henk> can i install rpms on kubuntu? 
[12:52] <henk> hmm i'm having trouble installing kdelibs-data-4.3.3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3_all.deb ... it says that it has an error overwriting the /usr/share/icons/defalt.kde that is already part of some other package
[12:52] <henk> knetworkconf to be exact
[01:07] <apokryphos> Hate to be a pain, but don't like the new design :D
[01:09] <aftertaf> $whatis adept beta ?? :D
[01:09] <apokryphos> !adept
[01:09] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[01:10] <aftertaf> oki
[01:10] <aftertaf> "E: Couldn't find package adept"
[01:10] <aftertaf> thatll be source code then...
[01:11] <apokryphos> aftertaf: nope... check that link. There's a repo with it.
[01:11] <aftertaf> 3rd party == not good??? 
[01:11] <aftertaf> am i learning, or being pedantic?
[01:12] <apokryphos> aftertaf: it's still in Beta stage, but it's going to eventually be the official package manager for kubuntu breezy.
[01:12] <mornfall> apokryphos: what don't you like about new design? :p
[01:12] <aftertaf> oki.. replacing synaptic?
[01:13] <aftertaf> OR | XOR
[01:13] <aftertaf> i like synaptic...
[01:13] <apokryphos> aftertaf: kynaptic. Synaptic is GTK.
[01:13] <apokryphos> mornfall: I get a bad recollection of HTML frames, but, say if I want to only show the search, it looks real untidy
[01:14] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  screenshots look good, but it does look a bit heavy and hard to read, messy
[01:14] <aftertaf> dont do kynaptic, i dont like it... no options
[01:14] <apokryphos> aftertaf: those screenshots are old, actually. Beta is different now.
[01:14] <aftertaf> is it a bad thing that synaptic is gtk?
[01:14] <apokryphos> yes, Kynaptic is bad.
[01:14] <mornfall> apokryphos: there's an almost-beta screeny
[01:14] <aftertaf> ^^^awful
[01:14] <apokryphos> aftertaf: it means that it won't be in Kubuntu -- KDE is Qt.
[01:15] <apokryphos> mornfall: ah, my bad, yes, I see it there.
[01:15] <mornfall> apokryphos: hmm, re html frames, i don't seem to get it
[01:15] <aftertaf> i have installed both... 
[01:16] <mornfall> apokryphos: it may be better to make the top part unscrollable and unresizable, always fitting everything... but i don't like
[01:16] <aftertaf> and you can install it without too much trouble with an apt-get anyway
[01:16] <apokryphos> mornfall: I think the old system was better, actually, with those things on the left. Closer to synaptic slightly, too.
[01:16] <apokryphos> mornfall: I think that would waste too much space... first thing I tried to do was get the "State Filter" out the way and minimize top to comply
[01:17] <aftertaf> i'm happy with synaptic. even if it isnt pure kde...
[01:17] <apokryphos> mornfall: mind you, I still get the old icons in there -- should that be happening?
[01:17] <aftertaf> i came to kde bcos of k3b in the first place...
[01:17] <mornfall> aftertaf: it's not "isn't pure kde" it's "not kde at all"
[01:18] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, yeah, i forgot to include the icons and well, that can be considered a bug fix ;)
[01:18] <apokryphos> You can of course use it, but it'll just never be default in Kubuntu -- it can't.
[01:18] <apokryphos> sure
[01:18] <mornfall> i will make a second beta sometime next week i guess
[01:19] <apokryphos> mornfall: I think it would be good to stay close to synaptic in some ways, though not too much of course ;-)
[01:20] <aftertaf> mornfall:  from a purist PoV i understand, but it doesn't matter does it?
[01:20] <aftertaf> but the idea is to have a dedicated kde package manager, and that, i understand as being a good idea too...
[01:20] <aftertaf> packages, dependencies & such.
[01:20] <apokryphos> aftertaf: what doesn't matter?
[01:20] <aftertaf> mornfall:  if you want help doing localisation in french.....
[01:21] <henk> hmm firefox is realy ugly, fonts and style look very 1999 what could be the problem here ?
[01:21] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  me getting confused.... It dont matter to me to install gtk on a kde based distro, but i see the principle of it now ;)
[01:21] <mornfall> aftertaf: i don't think french l10n will be a problem, but l10n in general will
[01:21] <aftertaf> d'accord ;)
[01:22] <apokryphos> aftertaf: of course you can install all gnome/gtk stuff once you *have* Kubuntu, but on the Kubuntu CD, the ISO, we can't bring all GTK stuff in just for the package manager :P
[01:22] <apokryphos> not sure if there would even be space, actually (though it would look real bad)
[01:22] <mornfall> apokryphos: doesn't kubuntu ship gimp?
[01:22] <apokryphos> no
[01:22] <mornfall> heh
[01:22] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  thats what i came to understand....;
[01:23] <Chousuke> hmm :/
[01:23] <Chousuke> Gimp is not on the install CD, but you can easily install it from the net.
[01:23] <aftertaf> and mornfall ... good work dude ;)
[01:23] <mornfall> thx
[01:23] <mornfall> booh, i'm lame
[01:24] <aftertaf> if it wont break anything, i'lll install right now in fact.
[01:24] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:24] <aftertaf> i take it i should use the breezy link right?
[01:25] <apokryphos> no, you're on hoary, no?
[01:25] <aftertaf> i am, yeah
[01:25] <mornfall> aftertaf: reload the page ;)
[01:26] <aftertaf> hehe gotcha.
[01:26] <aftertaf> a justify problem though in konqueror....
[01:26] <apokryphos> mornfall: on installing, it shouldn't really go to a terminal (unless you want it to), should it? 
[01:27] <apokryphos> aftertaf: the link was just added, I take it. ;-)
[01:27] <aftertaf> yep
[01:28] <apokryphos> Status bar working -- excellent.
[01:28] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, i guess until i have a reliable way to tell dpkg is hanging on user input, then it should use terminal by default
[01:28] <aftertaf> guys... about to paste a few lines.......
[01:28] <apokryphos> aftertaf: use a pastebin service
[01:28] <aftertaf> pastebin :)
[01:28] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[01:28] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:29] <apokryphos> mornfall: sure; would be good to list as a bug :P
[01:29] <aftertaf> dependency worries
[01:29] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1953
[01:30] <mornfall> apokryphos: more of a wish? ;)
[01:30] <mornfall> apokryphos: it's not strictly a bug, more like a feature...
[01:30] <apokryphos> depends on what it *should* do, I think.
[01:30] <aftertaf> what do you make of the apt-get??
[01:31] <apokryphos> I think the user shouldn't have to know about apt at all when using a gui pack manager
[01:31] <mornfall> apokryphos: well, it shouldn't hang like kynaptic ;)
[01:31] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  i meant the result of my apt-get in pastebin
[01:31] <mornfall> i consider hung UI with no way to find out what's up a major issue
[01:32] <mornfall> the dpkg output is a minor one, in comparison
[01:32] <apokryphos> aftertaf: hm, ah yeah, better not go for it if you want synaptic
[01:32] <apokryphos> aftertaf: adept requires a later version of aptitude, at the moment.
[01:32] <mornfall> apokryphos: libapt, not aptitude
[01:33] <apokryphos> mornfall: of course; I'm not saying we should surrender to a hung UI 8)
[01:33] <mornfall> aptitude is just a backport :)
[01:33] <apokryphos> right, thanks
[01:33] <mornfall> you should be able to get synaptic back easily
[01:33] <mornfall> but i can't guarantee that
[01:33] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  yeah but it says to remove kubuntu-desktop too
[01:33] <apokryphos> !metapackage
[01:33] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[01:34] <aftertaf> kubuntu_dsk is just a metapackage?
[01:34] <mornfall> yep
[01:34] <aftertaf> okiiiiiiiii
[01:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:34] <mornfall> it wants kynaptic, that's why it goes away
[01:34] <apokryphos> Correct. But be sure to have it before you do an upgrade to i.e. breezy
[01:34] <mornfall> yeah, good idea :)
[01:35] <aftertaf> so i can install no sweat, just lose synaptic (which is not a real hassle)
[01:35] <mornfall> yes
[01:35] <apokryphos> Correct
[01:36] <aftertaf> and kynaptic.....
[01:36] <aftertaf> ok.
[01:36] <aftertaf> i know where you are if it all goes horribly wrong ;)
[01:36] <aftertaf> for help, i mean :)
[01:37] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:37] <aftertaf> getting.....
[01:37] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: ping :)
[01:39] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: hello
[01:40] <mornfall> Riddell: you may want to check out the beta :)
[01:41] <Riddell> mornfall: I certainly do want to, just got a bunch of other things to fix first but don't let me forget
[01:41] <Riddell> mornfall: do you recon it's ready to be uploaded to the archives for wider testing?
[01:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: thing is, the hoary version would still remove synaptic/kynaptic etc; might be an issue.
[01:42] <mornfall> Riddell: possibly, if you don't mind debug-enabled builds... or maybe i can make a stripped set
[01:42] <aftertaf> mornfall, you know anything about this type of apt problem... the guy is on breezy.
[01:42] <aftertaf> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62610
[01:42] <mornfall> apokryphos: i can backport them, in theory... but that's not hoary updates material
[01:44] <aftertaf> lol... Riddell ill let you guys know if it is a pb ...
[01:47] <mornfall> aftertaf: re problems, just kill that offending process
[01:47] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:47] <aftertaf> ok
[01:50] <henk> how do i get nicer fonts ? (in firefox)
[01:51] <apokryphos> henk: sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: is gtk-qt pack going to be installed by default for breezy?
[01:56] <henk> apokryphos that did not do the trick. still ugly
[01:56] <apokryphos> henk: you may need to relogin to KDE (though you shouldn't have to). You can alter the settings for gtk themes/fonts from kcontrol
[01:56] <aftertaf> wow, i'm reading tag data right now :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> running.. ww, i feel nervous :)
[01:58] <aftertaf> how about prompting for root..... kdesu, right?
[01:58] <henk> apokryphos the "use kde fonts for gtk apps" is turned on it seems in the control panel. still the fonts are big and ugly... maybe i need some fontpack ?
[01:59] <apokryphos> you may need to restart your kde, like I said. If you want MS fonts you'll need to install msttcorefonts
[01:59] <henk> i restarted kde already after installing the gtk-gt eninge
[02:01] <henk> how do i get the ms fonts? i probably need some non-official mirror for it i guess ? 
[02:02] <apokryphos> !info msttcorefonts
[02:02] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[02:02] <apokryphos> henk: enable the Multiverse repository, then install it.
[02:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell henk about repos
[02:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: only if the menu issue gets fixed, it doesn't seem to crash any more but the colours are weird
[02:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: It's not perfect, but I've found it better than no-engine. A menu issue? oO
[02:05] <Riddell> makes it quite unusable
[02:07] <mornfall> i love the black text on black selected menu item too
[02:08] <Almindor> hello, does this breezy work? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/)
[02:08] <aftertaf> mornfall:  state filter : blah    <--- when minimised.. lol
[02:09] <aftertaf> and nice updates progress window :)
[02:09] <mornfall> aftertaf: hehe, i forgot about that
[02:15] <virgis> how to build deb file from tar.gz?
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.Debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[02:39] <aftertaf> nice split :)
[02:41] <Almindor> what FS do you people consider best for desktop?(ie: fast enough but still secure enough(in terms of deleting data on crash))
[02:42] <jimmy_neutron> is there a kubuntu package for the KDE theme Manager or should i download the debian package from kde-apps.org
[02:56] <jimmy_neutron> how do i install *.deb stuff?
[02:56] <Blissex> jimmy_neutron: 'man dpkg'
[02:56] <Almindor> man apt-get
[02:57] <Blissex> Almindor: 'ext3' is almost surely the best for desktops.
[02:57] <Almindor> Blissex, isn't it too slow?
[02:57] <Almindor> Blissex, compared to let's say reiser or xfs
[02:57] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[02:57] <Blissex> Almindor: in what way?
[02:57] <Almindor> Blissex, read, write, delete
[02:58] <Blissex> Almindor: no, it is probably the fastest -- for a desktop. For highly parallel multipath RAID JFS and XFS parallelize a lot better.
[02:58] <Almindor> I see
[02:59] <Almindor> experience tells me reiser is faster than ext3 altho it might been a seeting
[02:59] <Almindor> *setting
[02:59] <Babouk> Bonjour
[03:00] <Almindor> zdrastvuj
[03:01] <Babouk> Bon je suis perdu mais c pas grave ;-)
[03:02] <Babouk> Speak french?
[03:02] <Almindor> nein
[03:02] <Almindor> :)
[03:03] <Babouk> Sorry, goodbye!
[03:04] <torz> nikkia: you there?
[03:04] <torz> has anyone managed to play an h264 video file
[03:06] <jimmy_neutron> is there any other place where i can download the "kde theme manager" source except kde-apps.com?
[03:23] <aftertaf> jimmy_neutron:  the source or the deb package?
[03:24] <mornfall> i need testing coverage ;)
[03:30] <ilba7r> is there a way to list what is using my sound device
[03:30] <mornfall> fuser
[03:30] <mornfall> lsof
[03:30] <ilba7r> thanx
[03:32] <aftertaf> mornfall:  just rightclicked to show details and it did a SIGSEGV
[03:32] <mornfall> kablaam... there is a crasher bug somewhere :'(
[03:32] <KWizzard> pls, it is possible to switch an HTML engine in Konqueror to Gecko?
[03:32] <mornfall> aftertaf: backtrace?
[03:32] <aftertaf> you want the backtrace?
[03:32] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:32] <aftertaf> copy/mail?
[03:33] <mornfall> rafb.net/paste preferred
[03:34] <mornfall> damn the alpha was more stable than this...
[03:35] <aftertaf> ok copy... http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ncIl6421.html
[03:35] <aftertaf> mornfall:  debugification is a one way process ;)
[03:36] <mornfall> i need to FIX THE EXTENDERS
[03:36] <mornfall> 2 of 2 reported crashes are in extender code
[03:37] <apokryphos> 8)
[03:39] <sml12> I think i have kynaptic running in another session (the view when you press ctrl-f2 or ctrl-f3 etc. How can I find this process and kill it?
[03:40] <aftertaf> ps -A
[03:40] <aftertaf> shows all process
[03:40] <apokryphos> sml12: ps aux|grep kynaptic
[03:41] <calilasseia> Hello everyone 
[03:41] <jimmy_neutron> is there a way for komby2 to see hidden folders too?
[03:41] <sml12> apokryphos: result .... sml       7558  0.0  0.0   2932   380 pts/2    R+   23:11   0:00 grep kynaptic
[03:41] <apokryphos> sml12: nothing else? Then apparently it's not running.
[03:42] <aftertaf> mornfall:  i was doubleclicking on amarok packages that i don't have installed, then i rightlcicked on the ones selected, and it died
[03:42] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  thats the pb.... apt file locked all the same.
[03:42] <calilasseia> Beginner's question here ... I've had Kubuntu for about 2 days now ... runs nicely ... however, I apparently need some info on attaching mount points to Kubuntu can see my FAT32 drives on startup ...
[03:42] <sml12> i have tried the fuser command and ps command but does this show processes running in other sessions in the background?
[03:42] <aftertaf> !mount
[03:42] <ubotu> [mount]  the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[03:42] <apokryphos> sml12: did you close the terminal while apt was running or something?
[03:42] <mornfall> aftertaf: noted, thanks
[03:42] <sml12> aftertaf: still a kubuntu problem!
[03:42] <aftertaf> !tell calilasseia about windowsdrives
[03:43] <sml12> apokryphos .. no. it still seems to be getting some packages from the install.
[03:43] <calilasseia> I thought this had something to do with /etc/fstab ...
[03:43] <apokryphos> sml12: so you *do* have apt running...
[03:43] <aftertaf> calilasseia:  it does... has everyting to do with fstab ;)
[03:43] <calilasseia> Right ... only thing is I tried mounting the drives in a Konqueror window and it reported an error ...
[03:44] <mornfall> no, everything has to do with cake icing
[03:44] <aftertaf> hmmm.... are they there in fstab already?
[03:44] <apokryphos> calilasseia: do what ubotu just told you.
[03:44] <sml12> apokryphos: weill i think i do .. but can it run in another session in the background ... like when you are in the command prompt and press ctrl-f3 etc, you can get new logins/sessions
[03:44] <apokryphos> sml12: no; only one instance of apt can be running at a time. It *needs* to create a lock
[03:44] <calilasseia> Got a message from Konqueror saying "Can't find mount point in fstab or mtab"
[03:44] <aftertaf> sml12:  linux pwns for multitasking ;)
[03:45] <calilasseia> So I have to open a console and use mount manually ...
[03:45] <aftertaf> calilasseia:  run the script ubotu showed you and you will see the partitions no sweat
[03:45] <sml12> apokryphos: but it can run in another concurrent session and not be visible from a #ps aux in my current session
[03:45] <sml12> ?
[03:45] <calilasseia> The !windowsdrives script? Where is it?
[03:46] <aftertaf> !mount
[03:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[03:46] <aftertaf> !windowsdrives
[03:46] <ubotu> I guess windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[03:46] <henk> hi i want to mount my ntfs partitions, but i cant get it to work
[03:46] <apokryphos> sml12: no... you should never do that (even if it's possible). Apt has to keep track of what's going on; this can only happen with a lock.
[03:46] <aftertaf> !windowsdrives
[03:46] <aftertaf> henk
[03:46] <jimmy_neutron> can ark handle pw-protected rar archieves?
[03:46] <apokryphos> calilasseia: just do this in a terminal: wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && suso sh winmac_fstab
[03:47] <aftertaf> think you'll need rar/unrar installing
[03:47] <aftertaf> sudo sh winmac_fstab !!
[03:47] <calilasseia> Just downloaded it ... script popped up in Kate do I just save it to my home directory and run it ???
[03:47] <sml12> apokryphos: i agree I should never do it ... but I think kubuntu automatically is running apt-get in another session
[03:47] <apokryphos> calilasseia: pretty much, yes.
[03:47] <apokryphos> sml12: no, it doesn't.
[03:47] <calilasseia> Oh it's another "sudo" command ... getting used to seeing LOTS of those lately :)
[03:47] <henk> aftertaf ? was that supposed to do something ?
[03:48] <aftertaf> !windowsdrives
[03:48] <ubotu> it has been said that windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[03:48] <aftertaf> yep
[03:48] <apokryphos> calilasseia: any command that requires root (administrator) priveleges will be done with sudo, yes. :)
[03:48] <apokryphos> aftertaf: why do you keep doing that?
[03:48] <calilasseia> Right, it's saved ... running it now ...
[03:48] <aftertaf> for henk...
[03:48] <aftertaf> sorry ..... clutter.
[03:49] <sml12> apokryphos: any ideas then what could be causing the lock and why i cannot find the kynaptic/apt app?
[03:49] <apokryphos> sml12: the lock is caused when an apt process is running... you just said there *was* one (i.e. you were installing packages).
[03:49] <calilasseia> OK, ran the command, just returned the command prompt ...
[03:49] <calilasseia> Do I need to reboot or is everything in place now?
[03:50] <apokryphos> calilasseia: did you go through all the steps?
[03:50] <calilasseia> Steps? All that happened was that the command prompt returned ... 
[03:50] <henk> aftertaf is "writeable" for ntfs ok now ? or is it still a risk? The script is telling me that it will make the driver wtitable for me and for root but i have my doubts if i want that
[03:50] <apokryphos> calilasseia: what exactly did you do?
[03:50] <sml12> apokryphos: something like the install screen flashes up right before X starts. i thought this might be it .. but my #ps command cannot find it :(
[03:50] <apokryphos> henk: big risk
[03:51] <apokryphos> sml12: if you do sudo apt-get update now, what happens?
[03:51] <calilasseia> Typed in "sudo sh winmac_fstab" as directed in a console ... nothing happened ... prompt simply returned ...
[03:51] <apokryphos> calilasseia: *no* error message, at all?
[03:51] <apokryphos> I find that hard to believe.
[03:51] <calilasseia> Absolutely nothing ... no messages at all 
[03:52] <apokryphos> calilasseia: delete any copies of it that you have, and then do this...
[03:52] <apokryphos> wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && suso sh ./winmac_fstab
[03:53] <sml12> apokryphos: let me polish my /apt/sources.list first .. what is a good kubuntu breezy mirror?
[03:53] <calilasseia> OK wget got the file ...
[03:54] <apokryphos> calilasseia: you should've put that command in exactly as it was...
[03:54] <calilasseia> Ah, it's coming up with all sorts of messages now!!!!
[03:54] <apokryphos> sml12: check /topic for the kde 3.4.2 debs
[03:54] <apokryphos> calilasseia: ok, great. :)
[03:55] <calilasseia> It's just said that all partitions are now mounted and will auto-mount on next reboot ...
[03:55] <calilasseia> It worked!!!!
[03:55] <calilasseia> Thanks everyone!!!!
[03:56] <jimmy_neutron> can anyone tell me how to extract password-protected rar files?
[03:56] <henk> how do i get my logitech keyboards special keys to work nicely (volume etc)
[03:57] <calilasseia> Ok, I can leave now ... once again, thanks everyone ...
[03:57] <calilasseia> Bye ...
[03:57] <apokryphos> sml12: an example sources: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:57] <apokryphos> sml12: uncomment the repositories you want from there, and add the kde 3.4.2 repository
[03:58] <sml12> W: GPG error: http://au.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5
[03:59] <sml12> apokryphos .. i think the default au mirrors are dodgy!
[03:59] <apokryphos> you're on breezy?
[03:59] <sml12> yes
[03:59] <sml12> do you think i should use hoary?
[03:59] <apokryphos> ok, don't use the kubuntu.org sources then
[03:59] <apokryphos> sml12: you should be on it, ideally. Breezy is unstable and can damage your system.
[04:00] <Blissex> !breezy
[04:00] <ubotu> from memory, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[04:00] <sml12> apokryphos .. i was using ubuntu breezy for a few weeks - the only problem again was the apt-get that broke again and again.
[04:01] <sml12> now similar problems again :(
[04:01] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  you put suso sh . . . . . you sure bout that?
[04:02] <apokryphos> sml12: it does fluctuate like that
[04:02] <apokryphos> aftertaf: for what? The previous script?
[04:02] <apokryphos> Yes, it needs to be run as root -- it involves mounting drives permanently and altering fstab.
[04:02] <aftertaf> yep
[04:03] <sml12> apokryphos ... so you think it is a common problems. i might just go back to hoary.
[04:03] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  yeah, but suso?
[04:03] <aftertaf> not sudo?
[04:04] <apokryphos> aftertaf: heh, did I say that?
[04:04] <aftertaf> lol apokryphos yep
[04:04] <aftertaf> apokryphos wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && suso sh ./winmac_fstab
[04:04] <aftertaf> allez, bye all..... 
[04:06] <henk> hmm when playing an mp3 my box gets a load of 3, the artsd is using ~30% cpu, kate 20 and amarok 20, whats going on ?
[04:06] <chx> henk: disk i/o problems?
[04:06] <chx> henk: probably your system is not using DMA for some reason?
[04:06] <sml12> ok ... now from ubuntu breezy to kubuntu breezy to kubuntu hoary
[04:07] <sml12> apokryphos ..... btw .. what is the logical volume manager ... should i use it?
[04:07] <henk> chx its comming from a sata disk, that is not supposed to even have dma etc
[04:09] <onesandzeros> there are some nightly/weekly/something isos out on the kubuntu site somewhere.  Have any of you guys installed from those lately?
[04:09] <apokryphos> sml12: it's always used, isn't it? 
[04:09] <apokryphos> Perhaps I'm forgetting what it is
[04:10] <chx> henk: hmmmm I don't think so... SATA is just serial ATA.
[04:10] <apokryphos> onesandzeros: there are daily builds
[04:11] <apokryphos> onesandzeros: anyone using breezy is generally using the equivalent of those, if they update every so often.
[04:11] <ztonzy> uh
[04:11] <ztonzy> how to block irc spam in Konversation ???
[04:11] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hi =)
[04:11] <onesandzeros> apokryphos: so they work alright then?  that official release is scheduled pretty soon isn't it?
[04:11] <apokryphos> ztonzy: are you sure the /umode +CE doesn't work?
[04:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hi
[04:12] <apokryphos> onesandzeros: not necessarily; breezy is unstable and can damage your system
[04:12] <ztonzy> apokryphos: [421]  umode Unknown command
[04:12] <apokryphos> ztonzy: /mode #kubuntu +CE ztonzy ?
[04:12] <ztonzy> got porn spam as soon as I logged on...  
[04:12] <apokryphos> :/
[04:12] <ztonzy> apokryphos: why just #kubuntu ?
[04:13] <apokryphos> ztonzy: block from the others too, then, sure :)
[04:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos: uh?
[04:13] <ztonzy> [472]  C is unknown mode char to me
[04:13] <ztonzy> :-\
[04:13] <apokryphos> oO
[04:13] <apokryphos> ok, one sec
[04:15] <onesandzeros> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[04:15] <ztonzy> it worked before with xchat...but with Konversation it seems it doesn't or they changed the settings somehow
[04:15] <apokryphos> konversation must use something else instead of umode; hold on, I'll ask
[04:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos: could be wise to put it into this topic :)
[04:16] <apokryphos> yes
[04:20] <ztonzy> ack
[04:20] <ztonzy> still spamm O.o
[04:34] <henk> hmm how do i get dma support on my system? it has a via chipset. Do you guys include modules for it or do i need to build my own kernel
[04:37] <apokryphos> ztonzy: no response yet apparently.
[04:37] <ztonzy> ack
[04:40] <chx> henk: hdparm
[04:41] <henk> chx hdparm tells me "operation not permitted"
[04:41] <chx> henk: sorry for asking but are you root?
[04:41] <henk> yes
[04:42] <henk> i think the problem may be that the correct ide-driver may not be loaded
[04:43] <ztonzy> Kopete doesnt seem to download "own smilies" from MSN users
[05:20] <_dias> Why does Kubuntu copy network files so SLOWly?
[05:21] <loren> It's copying a local computer's files at 30kpbs, and it's 100mbps network speed
[05:40] <ReTyPe> is the 64bit kubuntu smp ?
[05:47] <ReTyPe> is it possible to install kubuntu from the livecd ?
[05:48] <Almindor> there's a combined live/install cd ISO
[05:48] <morrow> dvd iso. :)
[05:48] <Almindor> oh :)
[05:48] <ReTyPe> how big is it ?
[05:49] <Almindor> big as world :P
[05:50] <ReTyPe> can i have a size in xBytes plz
[05:50] <apokryphos> around 2.5 gigs
[05:51] <Almindor> how do I count md5 of a CD?
[05:51] <Almindor> (not image, full fledged burned cd)
[06:02] <francois> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[06:05] <apokryphos> francois: ??
[06:20] <libben> if i wanna upgrade to 686 kernel, do i only take linux-686? in synaptic and install it. and then later remove the 386 one from synaptic to get rid of it?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds ok
[06:21] <apokryphos> Yeah, but you don't *have* to remove it.
[06:21] <apokryphos> I normally keep it there as a backup
[06:26] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey. Did you try the other methods on that freenode spambot page?
[06:27] <apokryphos> !spambots
[06:27] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, spambots is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spambots
[06:29] <ztonzy> apokryphos: no...I was in XP for a while
[06:29] <ztonzy> apokryphos: I dont know them all 
[06:29] <apokryphos> i.e. /mode ztonzy +E
[06:30] <ztonzy> doesnt work
[06:31] <ztonzy>  /raw mode nick +E     gives this: "[Usage]  Usage: RAW [OPEN | CLOSE] "
[06:32] <apokryphos>  /quote mode ztonzy +E  ?
[06:32] <ztonzy> [501]  Unknown MODE flag
[06:32] <ztonzy> strange
[06:32] <ztonzy> apokryphos: what ircclient do you use ?
[06:32] <apokryphos> Konversation
[06:33] <apokryphos> though I haven't had to use that mode -- haven't been under attack
[06:50] <jimmy_neutron> make install tells me that modprobe.conf doesn't exist (wlan drivers) - is that bad, can i fix it?
[06:57] <libben> how can i check if i have HT on my cpu?
[06:58] <nikkia> libben, what CPU is it ?
[07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: hi! :)
[07:00] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[07:00] <libben> p4
[07:00] <nikkia> libben: what speed?
[07:00] <apokryphos> How are you today? 
[07:00] <libben> 1.7 ghz
[07:00] <nikkia> libben, then no, no HT
[07:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: very tired
[07:00] <libben> how do u know =) 
[07:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: hard away at work?
[07:01] <nikkia> libben: because only the 800MHz FSB P4s at 2.8GHz or above have HT
[07:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: went into the office, was stood up most of the day
[07:01] <apokryphos> :/
[07:02] <libben> k
[07:02] <nikkia> libben: and since 1.7GHz is neither > 2.8GHz, nor a 800MHz FSB, it doesn't have HT, its that simple
[07:03] <libben> should i install new nvidia drivers also?
[07:03] <libben> cause i could only get 900 fps on glxgears
[07:03] <libben> when i used ubuntu i got around 3000-4000
[07:04] <nikkia> libben, you probably don't have X configured right
[07:07] <libben> nikkia, well ive done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and fixed my monitor specs... but im not sure if i have the glcore settings and all those checkboxes that are for the gfxcard right... i dident touch those check boxes.
[07:07] <libben> just let it be at default checked
[07:11] <[Surge] > Can someone please tell me all the groups the main user belongs to on kubuntu?  I messed up my user account  :-\
[07:13] <nikkia> [Surge] : groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),109(admin),1000(nikki)
[07:14] <[Surge] > Thanks!  :)
[07:14] <[Surge] > How did you get that list btw?
[07:14] <nikkia> the 'id' command
[07:15] <nikkia> the 'groups' command also works, but its not as pretty
[07:15] <[Surge] > Ah cool - something new :)
[07:15] <[Surge] > Yeah
[07:18] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... KUser doesn't show any changes.
[07:20] <libben> need help to get my gfx card working prorperly, only getting 190 fps/sec with glxgears
[07:21] <[Surge] > Working  usermod -G group1,group2,group3 username
[07:21] <[Surge] > libben: What card?
[07:21] <[Surge] > ATI or nVidia?
[07:22] <libben> is nvidia
[07:22] <[Surge] > You installed the drivers for it?
[07:22] <[Surge] > apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:22] <libben> i choosed NV from the menu when i installed kubuntu
[07:23] <[Surge] > You need to get the proprietry drivers for it
[07:23] <libben> i also done 3 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choosed NV everytime
[07:23] <libben> k
[07:23] <libben> so nv is just generic driver for nvidia?
[07:23] <[Surge] > Yes
[07:23] <[Surge] > Just software rendering
[07:23] <[Surge] > Open Source
[07:23] <[Surge] > You need the closed source one
[07:24] <libben> so whats best, nvidia-glx? or get the file from nvidia.com and install it by had.
[07:24] <[Surge] > Easiest is nvidia-glx from the repository
[07:24] <[Surge] > But if you have a custom kernel then the ones from nvidia.com
[07:24] <libben> whats the command to see what i have installed? so i can grep the line i wanna look for?
[07:25] <apokryphos> dpkg -l
[07:25] <libben> forgot all my linux knowledge on only a year.... its a shame.
[07:25] <libben> thxs
[07:25] <[Surge] > dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx
[07:25] <libben> yeah... but i was more on the line on greping the word nvidia only to see what i had on the system
[07:26] <libben> whats the command in konversation for doing something like the /exec -o command
[07:27] <[Surge] > Dunno - I use XChat
[07:27] <libben> k
[07:27] <libben> xchat proberly work with it.
[07:27] <[Surge] > I couldn't figure out how to have multiple IRC server connections in one window - Konversation doesn't seem to do it.
[07:28] <faked> I want create a .deb-package from amarok-sources, I started successfully dh_make, after that a typed in dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. With that I got a .dsc-file and a .diff.gz, but no .deb
[07:28] <faked> what's wrong or whats missing?
[07:28] <libben> whats anyoing by having 2 servers in there own windows? u almost never look in those windows anyway
[07:29] <[Surge] > What I mean is : I use two IRC networks but I don't want two separate windows.
[07:30] <[Surge] > 4 channels on 2 networks in one tabbed window - much easier
[07:30] <[Surge] > libben: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:30] <libben> i have that
[07:31] <[Surge] > Ok
[07:31] <libben> 2 servers and 4 channels
[07:31] <libben> not the url =)
[07:31] <[Surge] > I have to log out and back in to pick up my changes - you should come right - it's very easy if you use the nvidia packages for kubuntu
[07:31] <[Surge] > laer
[07:31] <[Surge] > later
[07:46] <libben> if i install firefox it wants some dependencis that has gnome in its name
[07:46] <libben> can i remove those?
[07:47] <nikkia> that'd be because firefox is a gtk app that relies on some bits of gnome, so NO
[07:47] <libben> but its nothing that will interfere with kde ill take it.
[07:48] <jjesse> correct
[07:51] <libben> how do i remove the menu bar at the bottom and then replace it with a applet? i think its called. that makes it mac style. i want the magnified icons when the mouse is rolled over them. 
[07:53] <[Surge] > I think there is a Mac look menu bar
[07:53] <[Surge] > I remember seeing it somewhere
[07:53] <libben> nice... that is appliable to kde?
[07:55] <[Surge] > Right click on desktop - Configure desktop
[07:55] <[Surge] > Behaviour
[07:55] <[Surge] > General
[07:55] <[Surge] > Oh wait ..
[07:56] <[Surge] > Current applications menu bar (Mac OS-X style)
[07:56] <[Surge] > Not sure if that is what you are looking for libben 
[07:57] <[Surge] > It puts a funny looking menu bar at the top
[07:57] <[Surge] > But I've never used a Mac so I don't know if that it what it looks like ;)
[08:01] <francois> channel /#jre
[08:02] <libben> [Surge] : well that ive allready tried, and well. yes that is mac style also... but im talking shortcuts on desktop that gets magnified when u roll over them.
[08:02] <[Surge] > Oh ...
[08:02] <[Surge] > I dunno then. I don't customize my desktop
[08:09] <ReTyPe> my kubuntu install freezes @ 50% of the network repository
[08:11] <ReTyPe> i have a Dual AMD 64 opteron 248 system with 2 GB ram, installing on a IDE drive, using the plugged in realtek NIC in stead of onboard gigabit, connected to a adsl router
[08:22] <ReTyPe> hello ? anybody can help me with my problem i described above ?
[08:46] <libben> anyone alive ? =)
[08:47] <shadowing> yup me
[08:47] <Almindor> hello, I got breezy up and running, most things are ok except I get a failure on "console font" on boot..
[08:47] <Almindor> I think I had this problem with hoary too
[08:47] <Almindor> where is console font set"
[08:47] <Almindor> ?
[08:49] <libben> i just gotta spread this... its F**kin nice... wish i was there to witness it formyself
[08:49] <Almindor> oh and does anyone know where to get more "fixed size" fonts? those I can choose don't support my local language
[08:49] <Almindor> (for kde)
[08:50] <libben> http://www.tinyvices.com/storms.html
[08:50] <libben> sorry... forgot the url =)
[08:53] <seaLne> libben: cool photos
[08:54] <libben> yeah... just imagine if u would be standing there and witness it for yourself... it would be so breathtaking
[08:56] <libben> anyone wanna point me to the right direction...
[08:56] <libben> i want a mac style
[08:56] <libben> want the magnifying style of the icons.
[08:56] <libben> and no menu bar as it is know
[08:59] <seaLne> libben: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=153 maybe?
[09:00] <libben> seaLne:  yeah... thxs.
[09:00] <murtaugh> does hoary support inotify? or is there a safe way to add the module?
[09:02] <libben> seaLne:  wanna xplain the installation face of themes like this?
[09:03] <libben> hmm'
[09:03] <seaLne> err no :) gimmie a minute till i find instructions
[09:07] <seaLne> libben: control center->appearance and themes
[09:07] <seaLne> ->theme manager
[09:16] <libben> seaLne:  dont adds the mac icon style i think... its only style on borders and so on =(
[09:16] <seaLne> dosen't look like that from the screenshot :-/
[09:17] <seaLne> have a look for something else on kde-look.org then
[09:23] <libben> is there any nice way to delete the things a installa.sh file does? ive looked in it and can delete everything by hand... but isnt there a program that reads the .sh file and just remove the things that was installed
[09:24] <othernoob> does a normal atx mainboard fit into a minitower?
[09:24] <[Surge] > libben: What install is that?
[09:24] <[Surge] > Normally "make uninstall" work
[09:24] <[Surge] > s
[09:24] <libben> i installed a theme
[09:24] <[Surge] > Oh
[09:24] <[Surge] > Using?
[09:24] <libben> nope
[09:25] <libben> it was shite 0)
[09:25] <[Surge] > apt-get ?
[09:25] <libben> no
[09:25] <libben> downloaded a tar file
[09:25] <libben> and unpacked it
[09:25] <libben> and did ./install.sh
[09:25] <[Surge] > Oh well then you're on your own.  :)
[09:28] <libben> thought so =)
[09:32] <libben> anyone else has a ~/.kde/share/apps/kstyle?
[09:33] <libben> [Surge] :  do u have that folder?
[09:33] <libben> kstyle?
[09:33] <[Surge] > Nope
[09:34] <libben> a kwin?
[09:36] <seaLne> libben: i have /home/kd/.kde/share/apps/kstyle
[09:37] <libben> but u prolly have themes installed =)
[09:37] <seaLne> just wallpaper
[09:41] <_manuel> Hi, is it possible to disabel the paste function of the mouse middle button?
[09:44] <douglas> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! ??
[09:45] <seaLne> _manuel: never thought of any reason to but afaik its X rather than kde that deals with it so start looking there
[09:45] <_manuel> :) thanks
[09:45] <douglas> anyone know which package to install?
[09:47] <murtaugh> hey I'm trying to setup cron to send me a popup. does anyone have any idea how to do that?
[09:48] <murtaugh> like write except using X
[09:48] <libben> seaLne: where to go when i wanna tell kde thats firefox is my default web browser.
[09:48] <seaLne> libben: just run it instead of konq?
[09:48] <seaLne> douglas: 
[09:48] <seaLne> libqt3-headers - Qt3 header files
[09:48] <seaLne> libqt3-mt - Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3
[09:48] <seaLne> libqt3-mt-dev - Qt development files (Threaded)
[09:48] <libben> yeah... but clicking link in say konversation opens up konq..
[09:48] <libben> thats why
[09:50] <seaLne> libben: kcontrol->kde componets->componet chooser->web browser
[09:50] <libben> what do i type in that box?
[09:50] <libben> just firefox?
[09:51] <libben> or something nifty commands with firefox
[09:51] <seaLne> /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[09:51] <seaLne> not like konq?
[09:52] <libben> i tryed the command in a terminal
[09:53] <libben> and i can use all three commands
[09:53] <libben> firefox, mozilla-firefox or /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[09:54] <seaLne> k
[09:56] <libben> anyone wanna tip me on good font changing for firefox?
[10:03] <douglas> What is the package for the kde headers?
[10:05] <libben> what is karamba?
[10:06] <libben> seaLne: the thing i want is karamba thingy....
[10:06] <libben> what is karamba.. anyone?
[10:07] <libben> http://kde-look.org/content/pre3/8030-3.png
[10:07] <libben> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8030
[10:07] <libben> this one looks promosing.
[10:08] <libben> but im gonna read up on all on the karamba section...
[10:08] <libben> any1 tell me what karamba is please.
[10:10] <seaLne> its for kde4
[10:10] <libben> ??
[10:10] <libben> so i cant use it?
[10:11] <teprrr> hmm
[10:11] <teprrr> do you know anything about google? ever heard of it?
[10:12] <teprrr> it's cool, check it out http://www.google.com
[10:12] <libben> google is confusing and not up to date.... and when it is... its so hard to keep track of what is the deal right now...
[10:12] <teprrr> then enter "superkaramba" into the line edit
[10:12] <teprrr> then the first entry
[10:12] <libben> teprrr: u have a problem with Questions?
[10:12] <teprrr> and there's something like this: "what is superkaramaba?"
[10:13] <teprrr> if you click it, you'll get here http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
[10:13] <teprrr> oh, actually you're already there.. mmh
[10:13] <teprrr> well, at least it should explain a bit about it
[10:13] <teprrr> libben, I don't know.. why so?
[10:14] <teprrr> but anyway, it's an app which can be used to display different kind of "widgets"/"applets"/"themes" what do you prefer calling them
[10:14] <teprrr> and it's available for kde3 too
[10:14] <teprrr> but in kde4, it'll be tightly integrated with kde desktop, as in terms of plasma
[10:17] <pussfeller> i hope they get the bugs out before they integrate it into kde, and make it run lighter
[10:17] <libben> so its buggy karamba.
[10:18] <pussfeller> its more heavy than buggy actually
[10:18] <pussfeller> scripts vary in quality tho
[10:19] <libben> but im in the mood of mac osx style bar.... wich one is the one that runs better then the others?
[10:20] <pussfeller> probably the highest rated one on kdelook.org
[10:34] <teprrr> pussfeller, well, kde4 won't be released in the near future
[10:34] <pussfeller> whats the eta?
[10:34] <libben> hmm... was pretty buggy to use that 
[10:35] <teprrr> I think there's no such thing yet
[10:37] <teprrr> KDE 4 is expected to be released sometime in 2006. -- that's what wikipedia says, but don't know if it's true..
[10:37] <teprrr> oh, hmm, sometime.. yes..
[10:37] <teprrr> yes it'll be out in 2006, I hope :)
[10:38] <Riddell> teprrr: there is no release schedule for KDE 4
[10:38] <libben> hmm... anyone else using superkaramba and tuxbar the new one ?
[10:39] <teprrr> Riddell, yup, that's what I thought too
[10:40] <teprrr> Riddell, but there's been some kind of rumor that people are targeting to 2006
[10:41] <Riddell> as good a year as any
[10:42] <libben> tuxbar works good... just cant get over how choppy it feels when u get ur mouse on the sides every time... 
[10:43] <pussfeller> aint tuxbar in python?
[10:43] <pussfeller> so its prob gonna be kinda slow
[10:43] <pussfeller> and choppy
[10:43] <pussfeller> i would just wait till they right one in c++
[10:47] <amgat> does anyone have experience with SMC's collection of wlan cards and linux? I can get the card to work with ndiswrapper, but it is very unstable and loses connection almost instantly on fast filedownloads (SMC 2802w v2)
[10:53] <Riddell> mornfall: adept is looking very nice
[10:54] <amgat> does anyone have experience with SMC's collection of wlan cards and linux? I have managed to get the card working using ndiswrapper and the winxp driver, but its very unstable and breaks the connection on fast file transfers. (SMC 2802w v2)
[10:56] <Riddell> mornfall: had a couple of random crashes and there's bits to clean up, what's the best way to give feedback?
[10:56] <pussfeller> i got an smc doodad taht plugs into my net card and it works great :)
[10:57] <Riddell> mornfall: I think I'd like to upload it to the ubuntu archives
[10:58] <Riddell> then it can be announced more widely for testing
[10:59] <Riddell> anyone using hoary with 3.4.2 packages?
[11:03] <amgat> yes
[11:03] <amgat> kde 3.4.2
[11:03] <_jonas> good evening, can i ask one question?
[11:03] <amgat> shoot
[11:03] <_jonas> ehm, two..
[11:03] <_jonas> how to set default resolution?
[11:03] <amgat> right click the desktop
[11:04] <_jonas> and globally
[11:04] <amgat> configure desktop
[11:04] <_jonas> like in x
[11:05] <_jonas> i did used for drakconf and these short of things
[11:06] <_jonas> i allready set right frequency but i dont know how to set resolution
[11:07] <_jonas> ..in x, its actually woking in kde at 60hz only, but i am sure it can handle 80hz
[11:08] <_jonas> :-)
[11:08] <_jonas> okey, i get that, cu all tommorow
[11:16] <edulix> hi !
[11:17] <edulix> how can I add a new path to $PATH ? I hve installed Qt4 and it's needed
[11:19] <WiseElben> hi, I just got bittorrent with kynaptic, but I don't see it on my menu. How do I run it?
[11:20] <gdh> WiseElben: You open a .torrent file in your web browser :)
[11:22] <nikkia> doh!
[11:22] <WiseElben> eh
[11:23] <WiseElben> gdh: meaning right click -> open with -> firefox?
[11:23] <WiseElben> wouldn't that just.. try to make firefox redownload the .torrent
[11:24] <nikkia> WiseElben: the plain 'bittorrent' is a console app, iirc, you run 'bittorrent the_torrent_file' in a console and it does its thing
[11:25] <gdh> WiseElben: listen to nikkia  :)
[11:25] <nikkia> or perhaps its 'btdownload' i forget, either way, the console app is terrible :)
[11:25] <WiseElben> ah, I need the GUI
[11:26] <nalioth> nikkia: wow. most windows(tm) keytrricks work in KDE
[11:26] <WiseElben> but I get a command not found when I try to run it in console
[11:26] <gdh> 'btdownloadcurses'
[11:26] <gdh> curses = console
[11:26] <nikkia> nalioth: *shrug* i didn't know using alt to resize/move in windows worked like that either :P
[11:26] <nikkia> that was supposed to be a :O not a :P
[11:26] <WiseElben> ah..
[11:27] <nalioth> WiseElben: try btdownloadcurses.py
[11:27] <nalioth> WiseElben: or /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses.py
[11:27] <nikkia> WiseElben: the original bittorrent is pretty bad, you're really better off with one of the 3rd party apps
[11:27] <nalioth> WiseElben: or /usr/local/bin/btdownloadcurses.py   (depending on how you installed it)
[11:28] <gdh> azureus is the usual answer, but then we have to go to the Java World of Pain(tm)
[11:28] <nalioth> WiseElben: i recommend bittornado. i use the command line version of that all the time
[11:28] <nikkia> gdh, i was desperately trying to avoid suggesting az :)
[11:28] <WiseElben> yes, I hate java
[11:28] <WiseElben> i hate programming in java too =P
[11:28] <gdh> nikkia: :) you saw the 'so how do I install..' coming? :)
[11:28] <nikkia> it is, however, the BT client i use
[11:28] <nikkia> gdh, yes
[11:28] <nalioth> WiseElben: i also strongly advise you to make a alias for your bittorrent
[11:28] <nalioth> nikkia: we won't hold it against you
[11:29] <WiseElben> can bittorent and bittornado coexist?
[11:29] <gdh> will breezy have a apt-get install java metapackage which downloads the sun jre, asks you to agree to their lame binary agreement, and does a make-jpkg on it?
[11:29] <WiseElben> or would I need to remove bitotrent?
[11:29] <nikkia> WiseElben: i don't see why not
[11:29] <WiseElben> well, in Gentoo it couldn't..
[11:29] <WiseElben> i dunno
[11:29] <nikkia> WiseElben: *shrug* gentoo can be 'strange' sometimes
[11:29] <WiseElben> heh yeah
[11:30] <WiseElben> i don't really mind compile time, its just that it breaks easy...
[11:30] <WiseElben> i never did got python to work..
[11:31] <nalioth> WiseElben: if you directly link with your alias, yes
[11:31] <nikkia> WiseElben: the problem is, it brings 'DIY' to the system, but doesn't really enforce the kind of knowledge required to maintain a DIY system
[11:33] <nikkia> ie, 'it breaks easy' because 'breaking easily' is a feature of trying to hold together several thousand seperate packages when you compile everything by hand, if you know enough about programming and unix background to fix those things, DIY is ok, but gentoo doesn't require those requisites
[11:33] <_mindspin> I wanna have a script executed after log in, from where do I call that script?
[11:34] <nikkia> _mindspin: easiest place is ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:34] <_mindspin> ok I'll have a try, thanks
[11:34] <nikkia> _mindspin: i *think* it has to be a .desktop file describing a program/script to run, but i'm not 100% certain about that
[11:35] <nikkia> (ie, use the 'create new->link to application' option in the right click menu, then point the dialog at your script
[11:35] <_mindspin> its just for a workaround cause I can#t get a samba share mounted on booutup
[11:35] <nikkia> yeah, i have a few little annoying scripts like that
[11:35] <_mindspin> it works if I run the script "by hand"
[11:36] <nikkia> _mindspin: if you want it system wide, rather than user-specific, there is a system autostart folder for kde too
[11:36] <_mindspin> that would be better
[11:36] <nikkia> its /usr/share/autostart   iric
[11:36] <nikkia> iirc
[11:37] <nikkia> (not on a [k] ubuntu system atm, so can't verify the locations)
[11:37] <_mindspin> i see, its a shell script do I have to rename it ?
[11:38] <_mindspin> the files there are alle named blah.desktop
[11:39] <_mindspin> and they don#t look like shell script ;-)
[11:39] <nikkia> _mindspin: no, a .desktop file is like a .pif in windows
[11:40] <nikkia> it just describes how to run a program
[11:40] <nikkia> you can create one by using the 'create new->link to application' menu in kde
[11:40] <_mindspin> i see
[11:43] <nalioth> dang he left already
[11:46] <ReTyPe> i cant install kubuntu, my install freezes @ 50% of configuring apt... Testing network repository, i can still access other shells with ctrl, alt F2
[11:49] <torz> has anyone managed to install vlc0.8.2 on kubuntu? I've got the package for breezy but it seems to be no good.
[11:50] <crimsun> "no good"?
[11:50] <crimsun> afaik 0.8.2 has only built on i386
[11:50] <crimsun> I'm hacking on a svn snapshot to push into breezy
[11:50] <torz> a lot of the dependencies that cant be satisfied
[11:50] <torz> well a lot of libs apt wont pickup
[11:51] <crimsun> I'll try reinstalling it tonight
[11:51] <torz> yeah breezy looks cool
[11:51] <torz> breezy is gnome though yeah?
[11:51] <crimsun> wait, are you trying to install 0.8.2 from breezy on hoary?
[11:52] <ReTyPe> i cant install kubuntu, my install freezes @ 50% of configuring apt... Testing network repository, i can still access other shells with ctrl, alt F2
[11:53] <torz> crimsun: yep
[11:53] <WiseElben> java-common = jvm?
[11:53] <crimsun> torz: then of course the dependencies won't be satisfied. You'd have to recompile the 0.8.2 deb-src on hoary
[11:53] <torz> ReTyPe: it will install, you need patience
[11:53] <crimsun> torz: you'll have to manually downgrade the build-deps in debian/control
[11:54] <torz> crimsun: that sounds way too hard
[11:54] <crimsun> then try breezy, >= colony 4 :)
[11:54] <ReTyPe> torz: i left it for half an hour, there is no activity and no network traffic
[11:54] <nalioth> torz: wait a few weeks, and it'll be included in your shiny new OS
[11:55] <torz> ReTyPe: half an hour eh? mmm that process usually takes forever anyway, try leaving it overnight :p
[11:55] <torz> nalioth: no, I have a video file that pretty much needs vlc 0.8.2 :p
[11:55] <torz> h264 kills vlc 0.8.1 and mplayer instantly
[11:57] <nalioth> torz: then do as crimsun suggested, or try the binary for debian from vlc.org
[11:57] <ReTyPe> are you serious that i should wait ? i have a really fast computer and a fast internet connection, half an hour should be more than enough when there is not activity
[11:58] <torz> ReTyPe: When I installed x86_64 Kubuntu (a fast computer is a prerequisate), it took forever to get through that process.
[11:58] <WiseElben> I have a 3500+, and I left it overnight
[11:58] <nalioth> WiseElben: i have some more info for you
[11:59] <WiseElben> about bt?
[11:59] <ReTyPe> what's the point of leaving in on when there is no activity, some timeouts should be reduced i think
[11:59] <nalioth> WiseElben: read this (particularly about "gnu screen") http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[11:59] <WiseElben> okies
[11:59] <ReTyPe> i have a dual opteron 248 with 2 gb ram
[12:00] <ReTyPe> could there be a conflict with another NIC ?
[12:01] <torz> ReTyPe: what computer are you using atm? 
[12:02] <ReTyPe> the one i described, i terminated the installationn
[12:02] <torz> right.
[12:02] <ReTyPe> not everyone has 2 computers
[12:02] <ReTyPe> i had no money left 
[12:02] <torz> can you live without an hour of computers? heh, try the installation again and go grab a coffee at the local cafe or something :p