=== highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Fui] === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-137.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:48] couple of patches sent to the list, bbl [02:20] rob^, applied === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax9-131.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt3ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-92.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt2ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:29] Ugh ... yelp is very much slower under breezy === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:35] jbailey, ping? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:47] jsgotangco: Hey! [05:47] I'm back now. =) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:49] dog, there's a bumper crop of idiots over on #ubuntu tonight... [05:50] just had to vent, be back later... === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-140.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:58] jbailey, i guess you already know the ubuntu-quickguide breakage :) [05:59] Yup, but that's not one of the docs you guys are doing for breezy, right? [05:59] mdz dropped it from ubuntu-standard today. [05:59] right [05:59] Cool, so that's all sorted out then. [06:00] I'm going to resend the request to get write access to the ubuntu-docs repo, it hasn't come through yet. [06:00] you emailed elmo? [06:00] Yes. [06:01] But they've just moved to a queue-based system, so I've resent it to that. [06:01] nice [06:01] jeffsch, ping? [06:01] I will ask mdz tomorrow about updating documentation until the release date. Is there anything else I need to handle while you guys are asleep? =) [06:02] (It's midnight here. *g*) [06:03] ahh [06:03] hmm no just cleaning up some docs atm [06:03] 2 days to go anyways [06:04] hmm just one final question [06:05] who's going to do the yelp/scrollkeeper work? [06:05] I suspect I will be. [06:05] I have main upload privs, so it makes sense, I think. [06:06] ok would you be able to teach me or other guys here about this after the chaos? (as well as the packaging part) [06:08] I shall do my best. =) I'm still not sure who all the 'guys around here' are. [06:09] oh the active ones are just a handful (me, Burgundavia, jeffsch, mgalvin, jjesse, mdke) [06:09] mpt helps as well [06:09] oh and rob^ [06:09] (sorry rob^ i fogot about you_ === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-222.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:11] im gonna grab lunch first brb =) [06:12] jbailey: I just recently started lurking [06:12] ajmitch: Ah, the ever present Andrew. =) === jbailey ducks. [06:12] of course ;) [06:13] I've had the misfortune of writing docs in the past [06:13] I don't mind writing docs. I'm even passably good at it. [06:13] There's usually just so much to do otherwise, too. [06:14] yeah [06:14] MOTU work is surprisingly time-consuming [06:14] hmm [06:14] I imagine. [06:14] jsgotangco: Oh, that remnds me... Release notes. [06:14] Is there a wiki page for it yet? [06:14] If not, do you mind if I create one and announce it? [06:15] jbailey, please do, the problem i have at the moment is i dont know where to start and what features, etc. [06:17] I suspect the right thing to start with is to just get notes from the various uploaders on things that they know already will be an issue when upgrading. [06:17] hmm and known bugs perhaps? [06:18] the draft 2.12 release notes have such [06:18] 2.12? [06:18] Oh, you mean gnome? [06:18] Status of sending notification mails: [06:18] yes the one being done by luis (i think its already finished) [06:18] [en] DanielHolbach, DanielRobitaille, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK [06:18] ajmitch: Stalker. [06:18] jbailey: .* is great [06:18] he's subscribed to all the wiki pages [06:19] jsgotangco: This doesn't refute my statement in any way... [06:19] of course not [06:19] now I just have to find out where you live & maybe visit :) [06:20] ajmitch: It's about 20 minutes from the UBZ site. [06:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [06:21] oh so you're in motreal [06:21] nice [06:21] jsgotangco: Yup [06:21] ajmitch: Yeah, I'll be sleeping at home. =) [06:21] ajmitch, we have an alternative place just in case [06:22] jsgotangco: great, I'm still holding out for sponsorship, which closes in a couple of days [06:22] so I might find out if I'm going in a few weeks [06:22] same here [06:22] *cross fingers* [06:22] Hi! I have a question about the docs projects. Do they coenside with the Ubuntu releases? [06:22] LaserJock, yes [06:22] LaserJock, but we'll have previews in later milestones for sure [06:23] LaserJock, http://doc.ubuntu.com has some previews at the moment [06:24] jsgotangco: Where are you? [06:24] How long does it take to do the docs? I mean, there seems to be a fair amount of fluidity in Breezy still. How do you handle changes even at the end? [06:25] LaserJock, we have a freeze date, unfortunately, it doesn't work well with docs [06:25] jbailey, Manila, Philippines [06:25] Cool. [06:25] LaserJock, we only know definite changes by Preview Freeze (although not always the case) [06:27] LaserJock, unless the changes are sweeping, we edit docs as the build goes.. [06:28] jsgotangco: you called? [06:28] jeffsch, yep if you're not busy [06:28] shoot [06:29] jeffsch, i was trying to rip off your html/pdf script for edubuntu but no success i wanted to ask how big a work it would be to include edubuntu in our big make file [06:29] and have results go to build [06:29] and just the results to ogra [06:30] you want html and pdf, or just html? [06:30] we prefer both [06:31] i know the pdf needs apache fop [06:31] ill just grab a sandwhich brb [06:33] I don't suppose one of you wiki gurus could drop by http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists and see if the formatting is correct? I made quite a few changes and I was my first wiki edit [06:35] Time for bed. See you later! [06:36] LaserJock: if it looks good to you, then the formatting is correct [06:36] lol, OK [06:36] :) [06:40] well, there were a bunch of links to wiki pages that didn't exist and so I removed those. I was hoping that they weren't there for a reason === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-92.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-222.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] jsgotangco: are you there? [07:55] hi [07:56] jeffsch, sorry i was just trying to do something on the other laptop [07:56] np [07:56] whats up [07:57] i took a look at edubuntu files [07:57] i don't think it's a good idea to add edubuntu to our big makefile [07:57] edubuntu should have its own [07:58] oh i don't mind really, i just couldn't make it work (add images for example) [07:58] i will take a look again at the big makefile and see how it works [07:59] getting the images into a pdf is a bit more work than getting them into html [08:00] would the html be easier? the pdf can be done afterwards [08:00] iirc, it's not just the makefile: you need a custom xslt also [08:00] i see [08:00] html would be easier, for sure [08:00] when do you need it by? [08:01] we're not really contrained by the date, ogra has no freeze for edubuntu [08:02] ok. i try to come up with something by the end of next weekend [08:03] gee thanks jeff i appreciate that [08:03] im just stumped on how the images are not included at all [08:04] say, do you know why the language is 'C' instead of 'en'? [08:05] its the gnome convention right? [08:05] yeah, as far as i know [08:05] but i don't know why they do it [08:05] that's the only thing i know [08:06] en is much better i guess [08:06] i think the only reason we use C is because gnome does [08:06] we even seem to use C on the kde docs [08:08] hmmm lemme switch first === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:19] hi robitaille [08:20] hello Madpilot [08:21] remind me where the Breezy timetable wiki page is? can't find it right now... [08:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule [08:23] thanks. Trying not to get the flu here, neurons not firing like they should be... [08:23] ok, random cool thing [08:23] http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=5142 [08:25] that is very cool. I want a monitor that I can just thumbtack to the wall & use! [08:44] OK, that's wierd. O'Reilly publish *two* different books, both titled "Linux Cookbook"... === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:52] anyone around? [09:52] yes [09:53] hi [09:53] seems someone is messing up the wiki again [09:53] whats elmos email address, I need to get this access to svn fixed up [09:53] oh? [09:53] I haven't editing much in about a month [09:53] Burgundavia, LooksLikeThis [09:53] HomepageTemplate [09:54] rob^, just ping him [09:54] must be some newbie mistake [09:54] hes asleep and I can never catch him on here [09:54] [elmo] is away (schleep) [09:54] :) [09:54] hmm [09:55] ah crap, I gtg to work.. [09:55] rob^, night shift? [09:56] jsgotangco, just caught sabdfl asking for UI changes [09:56] jsgotangco, I asked them to CC the doc list [09:56] sabdfl seb128: can we please move the Terminal and File Browser to Accessories, rather than System Tools? [09:56] seb128 sabdfl: sure, I'll do that this morning [09:57] jsgotangco, yep, 12 hour one [09:58] Burgundavia, he doesn't have a choice heh [09:58] jsgotangco, no, but we have a UI freeze for a reason [09:59] because sabdfl pulled the same shit last release [09:59] tell that to the sabdfl [09:59] heh === Burgundavia is getting angry [09:59] he's not called sabdfl for nothing [09:59] yep [09:59] even his nick means something [09:59] Burgundavia seb128, sabdfl when you ask for UI changes after UI freeze date please CC the doc list so that we can adjust docs as needed [10:00] ok, I'm going to work.. have fun. [10:00] Burgundavia, its just 2 icons no big deal [10:00] Burgundavia, what's the story about UI changes? [10:00] jsgotangco, until the user goes looking for the terminal === robitaille missed things while working offline on the laptop testing [10:00] robitaille, sabdfl seb128: can we please move the Terminal and File Browser to Accessories, rather than System Tools? === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:01] jsgotangco, if I hadn't happen to see it, there would be no way to know what happens [10:01] sure [10:01] what if this happens after our string freeze [10:01] we'll all see it [10:01] then we are screwed [10:01] on 2 icons? === jsgotangco thinks not [10:02] umm, applications are moving menus [10:02] have you noticed how books always do not seem to reflect the actual stuff especially on technical references [10:02] that means if we reference them (which we do), then we have to make the necessary changes [10:02] jsgotangco, that is because they don't release with the product, we do [10:03] its not like people are going to be completely lost with some small UI changes [10:03] yes they are [10:03] terminal has always been in system tools in gnome for as long as remember it. It has always annoyed me :) [10:03] yes [10:04] I am not talking about the specific change, I am talking about the break in UI freeze and how it affects us [10:04] and that we need to stand up and shout about it === Burgundavia goes back to writing installing-applications.xml [10:08] :P [10:08] i got the smackdown so i'll just say yes [10:09] actually I wonder if more terminal users will be annoyed with Breezy since the right-click menu doesn't have terminal anymore [10:09] and no run-applications [10:10] these are all good things in the long term, but are going to feel back for the traditional linux market [10:10] s/back/bad [10:11] by the way, why is firefox not displaying an html-formatted page when clicking on https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/gnome/quicktour/quicktour.html [10:11] no idea [10:11] some mime issue on the html server side [10:12] ? [10:12] probably because the most likely thing people want to do is view the code, not the formatted stuff [10:12] hmm we have a problem on this [10:12] doc.ubuntu.com can do this for us [10:12] except when you tell people to look at the page for comment. Then it is annoying [10:12] but only mdke and hno73 has access [10:12] hmm [10:13] neither of which are currently very active [10:13] hno73 is just an email away [10:13] he just finished art.ubuntu.com [10:13] ya [10:14] Burgundavia, in that quick tour, I would drop some of the Gaim protocols "Gadu-Gadu, Groupwise and Napster" and replace by others; 99% of people have never heard of the last 3, and Napster has a certain negative conotation with some people [10:14] robitaille, I just copied it from somebody else [10:14] I can do that [10:15] robitaille, don't you have svn access? [10:15] yes I do. [10:15] then hack away [10:16] I am not working on the quicktour at the moment [10:16] been busy ....and it's getting late. It's just something I noticed earlier today [10:16] Gadu-gadu is basically the only thing the polish use, from what I understand [10:16] didn't know that [10:17] if people don't understand it, they are likely to simply ignore it [10:17] but I will drop napster [10:17] groupwise is useful for pointy-haired types [10:18] pointy-haired types would probably banned gaim in the workplace :) [10:18] right [10:18] going to bed... [10:19] in any case, committed, thanks for the catch === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:58] rob^, I am about half done the install-applications rework [10:58] rob^, need to sleep now, will not get to it for another 24 hours, so feel free to jump in === ubuntulog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Mon Jun 20 20:43:03 2005 === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-137.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=dw@host-84-9-33-188.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=dw@host-84-9-33-188.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [n=jeff@fatwire-203-101.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:02] Hello. I have a problem with ubuntu-doc and ubunut-quickguide which seems to be related to rearrangements/renamings. [03:02] Diziet: I'm probably still the right person to ask for now. The folks in this channel all seem to live around .au's timezone. [03:02] Diziet: ubuntu-quickguide doesn't exist anymore, it's not one of the documents being produced for breezy. [03:09] So it's just gone and the package should go ? [03:10] But the sources are still in ubuntu-docs ? [03:10] Because if you upgrade from hoary, it gets left on your system but it's broken. [03:11] Right. Should I conflict against it? [03:11] The source isn't supposed to still be in there. I forgot to pluck it out at 2am or whenever it was that I uploaded it./ [03:12] Well, is it actually wrong for breezy ? [03:12] I mean, the content. [03:13] No idea. I haven't reviewed the content. I reconfirmed last night that thte document isn't intended for Breezy, though. === mdke [n=chatzill@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:13] hi all [03:13] I'm helping them with technical bits atm, not actually doing the docs. [03:14] I could conflict against it, I guess. [03:16] That seems wrong somehow. The real incompatibility is with the lack of some other file. Um, which I suppose might be in ubuntu-docs. Let me check ... [03:17] how is the packaging going? [03:19] The missing file is xincludes.mod which is in the source for 5.10-1 but doesn't seem to be in the .deb. Without it, ubuntu-quickguide from hoary generates bunches of errors from scrollkeeper. [03:19] In the source for ubunut-docs 5.10. [03:19] I mean. I don't know which binary it was in in hoary. [03:20] i thought the quickguide wasn't in breezy [03:20] it shouldn't be [03:20] It isn't. But if you install hoary and then upgrade to breezy, nothing removes it. [03:20] i guess that should be easy to resolve right? [03:20] I'm just trying to figure out which package ought to have the conflict. [03:20] ubuntu-docs i would say [03:21] the new quickguide (quicktour) should be in there [03:21] although i have been out of the loop for several days so i don't really know [03:21] Oh, quicktour is the replacement for quickguide ? [03:22] yes [03:23] Right. Yes, then new ubuntu-doc should conflict with (old) ubuntu-quickguide. [03:23] Also, I see that xinclude.mod was in the old ubuntu-doc .deb. [03:23] What's xinclude.mod ? [03:23] So, will one of you lot :-) add that conflict, or shall I ? [03:24] Diziet: I don't think it's preview critical. I will do it after the preview release. [03:24] maybe because in the old deb we used xml whereas for the new docs it should be html [03:24] It's a file which includes files full of definitions of stuff. [03:24] jbailey: Yes, you're probably right. It only causes error messages to the install's stderr, but nothing actually bombs out. [03:24] Yes, it's an XML thing. [03:25] Diziet: For the installer? How so? [03:25] jbailey: Do you want me to file a bug ? [03:25] WDYM `For the installer?' ? [03:27] Diziet: I don't understand why the installer would spit out messages. mdz dropped ubuntu-quickguide from the ubuntu-minimal package. [03:29] If you upgrade from hoary. I keep saying `if you upgrade from hoary' ... [03:35] So, do you want me to file a bugzilla bug to remind you to add the conflict or will you remember anyway ? :-) [03:35] doesn't hurt to file one IMO [03:36] Diziet: How do you use the installer to upgrade from Hoary. Does it do that? [03:40] gtg [03:41] jbailey: I used apt-get dist-upgrade in an ssh session. [03:41] Not the installer. [03:43] After that, any invocation of scrollkeeper-rebuilddb produces huge amounts of guff. [03:43] Are you saying that the installer would remove the obsolete package ? [03:47] I'm not saying anything. I was just curious why you said the installer was giving you messages on stderr. But I see that it's to the "install's" stderr. [03:47] So I misread, my bad. =) [03:56] Right. NP. So did you want a bugzilla bug or not ? === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:43] Diziet: Please. [04:44] I use that as my work list. Please assign it explicitly to jbailey@ubuntu.com [04:47] I've already done that. You should have it by now :-). [04:47] Thanks, I'll take a look. 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