| BenC | desrt: any idea how to fix it? | 12:09 |
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| desrt | nope! | 12:09 |
| desrt | i was hoping you would :) | 12:10 |
| BenC | ok, I'll check into it then :) | 12:10 |
| desrt | i don't know thing 1 about acpi inside the kernel | 12:10 |
| BenC | me either, but never too late to learn I guess | 12:10 |
| desrt | well | 12:10 |
| desrt | a week into october, for example, would be too late to learn :) | 12:10 |
| jbailey | BenC: Cool, thanks. | 12:11 |
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| zul | evening | 03:50 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:17 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Hey! | 06:19 |
| jbailey | Feeling better? | 06:19 |
| fabbione | yeah a little bit | 06:19 |
| jbailey | Cool. Sucks to be sick. | 06:20 |
| fabbione | i need to do the Sucks Of the Code evaluation today | 06:20 |
| jbailey | *lol* | 06:20 |
| fabbione | that's why i am back.. | 06:20 |
| fabbione | but i might disappear again | 06:20 |
| fabbione | i still feel like half shit | 06:20 |
| jbailey | And I was hoping it was to see my smiling fave. | 06:20 |
| jbailey | face. | 06:20 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 06:20 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:38 |
| BenC | yo | 03:04 |
| jbailey | Hey'all. | 03:05 |
| jbailey | zul: Hey - You mentioned in a bug report that you had the bits to make VmWare and initramfs happy together. Do you know when those are going to land? | 03:05 |
| zul | jbailey: i got a bug in my code that i have work on tonight | 03:06 |
| jbailey | 'k | 03:06 |
| zul | ie: buslogic doesnt compile with my code change :) | 03:07 |
| jbailey | There are a surprising number of people who seem to run Breezy in vmware. What I don't understand so far is how it worked before. | 03:07 |
| jbailey | Or I wonder if they just looked at lspci directly or something. | 03:07 |
| jbailey | I don't understand all of what generates the modalias files. All I know is that they're lovely. | 03:07 |
| zul | jbailey: buslogic doesnt have hotplug so thats why its not detecting it i believe | 03:08 |
| jbailey | Hmm, but how did hotplug discover it before then? | 03:09 |
| jbailey | I tried looking through hd-detect to see if there were crazy corner cases, but I didn't see any. | 03:09 |
| zul | i dont think it ever did because i seen some bug reports in hoary as well but fabbione closed the bugs saying that vmware isnt supported | 03:11 |
| BenC | jbailey: I installed breezy in vmware aswell | 03:14 |
| jbailey | zul: Those seem to be installing vmware in breezy. | 03:15 |
| BenC | could have been hoary, but I believe it was breezy | 03:15 |
| BenC | either way, it worked at some point | 03:15 |
| jbailey | Well, it ought to work, and hopefully with Chucks hack it will. | 03:15 |
| BenC | jbailey: I haven't had time to look at your script, but can you explain to me what it is supposed to do? | 03:16 |
| BenC | or what it is supposed to help do I guess | 03:17 |
| jbailey | BenC: Sure, although it doesn't much matter - mdz deferred it to post-preview. | 03:17 |
| zul | BenC: with buslogic? | 03:17 |
| jbailey | The problelm I'm trying to solve is that when someone installs usplash, it should update the initrd.img file so that it goes in. | 03:17 |
| jbailey | I've taken a generic approach to the problem, which is that anything that lives in the initrd.img file ought to have the ability to force it to be updated. | 03:18 |
| jbailey | Specifically, that means usplash, lvm, evms, mdadm, or even initramfs itself. | 03:18 |
| jbailey | My issue is that I don't want to: | 03:19 |
| jbailey | 1) Risk a non-bootable system. | 03:19 |
| jbailey | 2) Overwrite a users change to their initrd.img file. | 03:19 |
| jbailey | However, I have limited control over it - I didn't create the initrd.img-* files, I don't delete them, I merely provide the tool that others call. | 03:19 |
| jbailey | This script is basically a wrapper that allows me to manage it. | 03:20 |
| jbailey | So rather that calling mkinitramfs directly, the kernel should call update-initramfs -c. Then I've created it. I know what it's called, I have time to take a sha1sum. | 03:20 |
| jbailey | When the kernel gets purged, it should call update-initramfs -d | 03:20 |
| jbailey | Anything that wants it to be updated should call update-initramfs -u | 03:20 |
| jbailey | You need to generally specify a version number for create and delete. | 03:21 |
| jbailey | You *can* specify one for update, but otherwise it'll pick the default one (mdz wants the one pointed to by the initrd.img symlink | 03:21 |
| jbailey | I then track things like, has it been changed? Did this tool make it? | 03:21 |
| BenC | zul: the vmware install I use was loading some sort of fibre channel scsi controller for the disks | 03:22 |
| zul | hmmm... | 03:23 |
| BenC | jbailey: what if it's called several times during the course of a dist-upgrade, for example? | 03:24 |
| zul | i am pretty sure its buslogic though | 03:24 |
| jbailey | BenC: Then in the current implementation, speed will suck, but not dramatically. | 03:25 |
| jbailey | BenC: For breezy, I'd honestly only expect usplash to call it. Some sort of delayed rebuild or something like that could always happen after. | 03:26 |
| jbailey | BenC: Longer term, I'd like the kernel to create initramfs overlays that can just be linked in to help with the speed problem. | 03:27 |
| BenC | jbailey: yeah, I was thinking something that kept checking for the dpkg lock to clear, and hold a lock of it's own (to prevent multiple invocations) | 03:27 |
| jbailey | Ugh. You're thinking parallel postinsts running? =( | 03:27 |
| jbailey | Oh. | 03:27 |
| BenC | no | 03:28 |
| jbailey | Or if the user runs it by hand. | 03:28 |
| jbailey | Suck. | 03:28 |
| BenC | like, if 100 .deb's are installed and say 4 of them affect initrd, then the update should only occur once at the end | 03:28 |
| jbailey | Right. | 03:29 |
| jbailey | Or we can ask for a dpkg hack for "do this once at the end" | 03:29 |
| BenC | plus, you don't want to be able to call the program manually during an upgrade | 03:29 |
| jbailey | scrollkeeper need sthis too. | 03:29 |
| BenC | apt-get probably | 03:29 |
| BenC | post-install check of some sort | 03:29 |
| jbailey | In fact, scrollkeeper sucks way worse for this. At least with us it'll only get run 4 or 5 times at the *maximum*. Gnome does it 30 or 40, IIRC. | 03:29 |
| BenC | probably do something like if dpkg lock is held just have initramfs-update touch some file | 03:30 |
| BenC | add initramfs-update (--finish?) to apt-get as a post-install script and let it check for the file | 03:30 |
| BenC | similar to how debconf stuff works pre-install with apt | 03:31 |
| jbailey | I've just asked keybuk to come visit to tell us the One True Way. =) | 03:31 |
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| BenC | zul: Fusion MPT is what my vmware used for the disks | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | hey | 03:32 |
| BenC | cdrom was via IDE | 03:32 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: We're just discussing the problem that someone updating something multiple times in postinsts really sucks (like scrollkeeper, or initramfs-tools) | 03:32 |
| jbailey | Since initramfs-tools takes several seconds to run, it's annoying if it has to hapen several times in a dist-upgrade. | 03:32 |
| BenC | or even ldconfig for that matter | 03:32 |
| jbailey | Right. | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 03:33 |
| jbailey | Is there a Canonical way in dpkg / apt-get to say "Do this once, last" | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | nope | 03:33 |
| jbailey | And if not, could there be please? =) | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | there's two proposals for this | 03:33 |
| BenC | I was thinking of (ab)using apt-get's post/pre hooks | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | 1) put "dpkg-trigger ldconfig" in postinst | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | at the end of the run dpkg runs /etc/dpkg/triggers/ldconfig | 03:33 |
| zul | BenC: ah...well Fusion MPT has hotlplug though | 03:33 |
| BenC | zul: do different versions of vmware use different disk controllers? | 03:34 |
| Keybuk | 2) libc6 declares that "if any package installs something into /usr/lib, run /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.trigger on completion" | 03:34 |
| zul | yeah i believe so i have vmware open right now gimme a sec | 03:34 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: I like the trigger idea, since it leaves it in the control of the package, not as a side-effect. | 03:34 |
| BenC | Keybuk: I like the first idea better | 03:34 |
| zul | vmware 4 has buslogic and lsi logic for scsi adapter | 03:35 |
| BenC | zul: ah, I have v5 | 03:35 |
| zul | 4 here.. | 03:35 |
| zul | i think most people use 4 though | 03:35 |
| BenC | Keybuk: would Debian be willing to accept either of those? | 03:36 |
| BenC | if not, it would make things seriously incompatible (especially if ldconfig uses it) | 03:36 |
| Keybuk | I only ever talk about dpkg stuff in terms of Debian :) | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | it's a spare-time thing | 03:37 |
| BenC | unless of course dpkg-trigger was self standing | 03:37 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: It's important enough for Ubuntu. Can we ask to get some time assigned to it? | 03:37 |
| BenC | but then you lose the concept of "when dpkg quits, everything is done and the system can be rebooted" | 03:37 |
| jbailey | Well, it could terminate by saying "release the triggers now", basically. | 03:38 |
| Keybuk | well, that's not true anyway | 03:38 |
| Keybuk | apt has to run dpkg --configure -a ;) | 03:38 |
| BenC | well "when apt or dpkg quits" :) | 03:38 |
| BenC | personally I prefer using apt's hooks, but that can cause a lot of other problems if ppl don't use apt to install a package | 03:39 |
| BenC | zul: when you say that they don't support hotplug, how does that cause a problem? The vmware disks aren't hotplug, right? | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | at the moment I don't really have a plan whether triggers would be 1.13 or 2.0 material | 03:40 |
| jbailey | BenC: The issue I have with relying on apt-get's hooks is that I occasionally download a series of debs and dpkg -i them together. =) | 03:40 |
| zul | BenC: when i went through the buslogic code they didnt have the struct for the pci_id | 03:41 |
| zul | mine problem is i just put it in the wrong place. | 03:42 |
| BenC | zul: ah, you mean for the host controller module itself to be loaded, ok | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | my most common pair of operations is dpkg --unpack and apt-get -f install | 03:42 |
| zul | BenC: exactly | 03:43 |
| Keybuk | which would work with apt hooks, I guess | 03:43 |
| BenC | zul: shouldn't be hard to patch that up | 03:43 |
| zul | BenC: no it wasnt.. | 03:43 |
| zul | just have to make sure it compiles when i get home tonight | 03:44 |
| BenC | Keybuk: what's the plan on making sure that packages that would call dpkg-trigger are not installed by a dpkg that doesn't have that program? | 03:47 |
| Keybuk | none yet | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | that'd depend whether it was a 1.13 or 2.0 issue | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | 1.13 would require a dpkg depends | 03:50 |
| jbailey | Probabyl same as the epoch test? If you use it, call a dpkg flag and if it sucks, then bail? | 03:50 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: If we assume for the moment that none of us will be alive when 2.0 hits the streets.... | 03:50 |
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| Keybuk | <g> | 03:51 |
| zul | bah...i spent 3 hours on this yesterday on my day off and then they change the data on me | 03:53 |
| zul | ...and on my birthday even | 03:53 |
| BenC | happy birthday | 03:58 |
| zul | thanks man | 04:00 |
| zul | i won 85 bucks at the casino last night | 04:01 |
| BenC | which casino? | 04:03 |
| zul | casino de lac lemay | 04:03 |
| BenC | where do you live? | 04:03 |
| zul | ottawa,ontario so it was just across the river | 04:04 |
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| zul | 3 hours from jbailey | 04:04 |
| BenC | Borgata is having the World Poker Tour event this month, and I'm playing in the $500 NL | 04:04 |
| BenC | zul: do they have poker at the casinos up there? I couldn't find any in montreal that had poker (slots and blackjack was all they showed) | 04:07 |
| zul | BenC: yeah the have grand prix poker and carribean, no texas holdem | 04:09 |
| zul | i wish they have texas holdem though :( | 04:09 |
| BenC | you play any online poker? | 04:11 |
| zul | yep i am quite good at it as well | 04:12 |
| BenC | which sites do you usually? | 04:12 |
| zul | just pokerstars.net and sometimes yahoo | 04:13 |
| BenC | I play pokerstars, partypoker, doylesroom, but mostly I play on fulltiltpoker.com | 04:13 |
| BenC | we'll have to do a headsup match one day :) | 04:14 |
| zul | we should...but i would kick your butt ;) | 04:14 |
| BenC | heh, you've underestimated me :) | 04:14 |
| BenC | my winnings for tournaments and cash games exceeds about $25k right now | 04:14 |
| BenC | (but that's counting the $12500 buy-in for the foxwoods wpt even that I won) | 04:15 |
| zul | ok...maybe not :) | 04:15 |
| BenC | nah, I'm not that good, just play a lot of tournaments | 04:15 |
| BenC | I like tournies more than straight cash games | 04:16 |
| zul | yeah so do i | 04:16 |
| zul | but there isnt any real tournaments in ottawa | 04:16 |
| BenC | best I ever did at cash was the week I made $9k on doylesroom playing $20/$40 limit | 04:16 |
| zul | not bad | 04:16 |
| zul | i have to go online to get my fix | 04:16 |
| BenC | me too | 04:16 |
| BenC | atlantic city is 6 hours away | 04:17 |
| BenC | what's your nick on pokerstars? I'll see if I can find you online sometime | 04:18 |
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| BenC | you should check out fulltilt sometime too, nice site | 04:18 |
| zul | BenC: chuck_sh45 | 04:23 |
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| zul | how original isnt it :) | 04:23 |
| TheMuso | I/c | 04:24 |
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| jbailey | zul: Go to the reservations up north. =) | 04:44 |
| fabbione | hey guys | 04:46 |
| fabbione | BenC: you got mail.. that stuff is pretty urgent | 04:46 |
| fabbione | i think most of it is in .12.6 tho | 04:46 |
| BenC | when did you send it? | 04:47 |
| BenC | oh, that thing to Herbert and I? | 04:47 |
| fabbione | pitti did | 04:47 |
| fabbione | yes | 04:47 |
| BenC | I couldn't decrypt it | 04:48 |
| BenC | used the wrong pgp key, I think | 04:48 |
| fabbione | it's @debian.org | 04:48 |
| BenC | yeah, that key has been lost, I have a new one for ben.collins@ubuntu.com | 04:48 |
| fabbione | BenC: ah.. | 04:49 |
| BenC | I need to do my revocation | 04:49 |
| fabbione | you should tell to pitti | 04:49 |
| BenC | but I need to find a floppy drive to do it | 04:49 |
| fabbione | so he will resend | 04:49 |
| BenC | I did | 04:49 |
| fabbione | perfect | 04:49 |
| BenC | but haven't gotten anything back yet | 04:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: do you still have any sparc hw around? | 04:55 |
| fabbione | perhaps you can try/test the sparc port :) | 04:55 |
| fabbione | we have some problems with initramfs/klibc | 04:55 |
| fabbione | but if i test, there is no buildd going on | 04:55 |
| fabbione | having one machine only sucks | 04:56 |
| BenC | got an e3000 | 05:07 |
| BenC | is there a cd I can download? | 05:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: nope.. only net install atm | 05:08 |
| BenC | fabbione: do these things affect hoary? | 05:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: mostlikely yes | 05:09 |
| fabbione | Herbert will take care of warty | 05:09 |
| fabbione | if you prefer i can do hoary | 05:10 |
| fabbione | (that's why i was in CC) | 05:10 |
| fabbione | so you can keep going for breezy | 05:10 |
| BenC | that'd probably be best, I'm not tooled to test or build hoary | 05:10 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:11 |
| BenC | these fixes apply for 2.6.12? | 05:11 |
| fabbione | yup they should | 05:12 |
| fabbione | you will need to check that yourself if pitti didn't already | 05:12 |
| fabbione | hmm no pitti didn't this time | 05:13 |
| BenC | I got the info now | 05:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok. some of the stuff is till embargoed | 05:17 |
| fabbione | so we are not allowed to publish the fixes anywhere | 05:18 |
| BenC | the second one doesn't even have a fix yet | 05:18 |
| BenC | well, it says external, so I've no idea where to get it | 05:18 |
| fabbione | BenC: we will ask pitti.. | 05:20 |
| fabbione | BenC: for urgent i mean that we need to get it done asap, but not that we need to die for it ;) | 05:21 |
| zul | hmmm.. | 05:21 |
| fabbione | sorry if i gave you the wrong idea about it | 05:22 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 05:22 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 05:27 |
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| sedak | hello | 07:10 |
| sedak | is there anyone here ? | 07:11 |
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| sedak | i made a package for a new driver | 07:11 |
| desrt | sedak; hm? | 07:12 |
| sedak | i'd like to know if someone can have a look at it to see if everything is allright | 07:12 |
| sedak | a package for module-assistant | 07:12 |
| desrt | sedak; you probably want to start out with #ubuntu-motu | 07:12 |
| sedak | for rtl8180 | 07:12 |
| sedak | yes, i know | 07:12 |
| sedak | but they don't do many package driver | 07:12 |
| desrt | ah | 07:12 |
| sedak | so they can't really review it | 07:13 |
| sedak | desrt, can you have a look at it ? | 07:13 |
| desrt | sedak; i'd know less than the universe folks :) | 07:13 |
| desrt | sedak; i mostly just hang around here to hassle fabbio and ben :) | 07:13 |
| sedak | that a good thing to do :-) | 07:14 |
| sedak | well, i need to see fabbione is around | 07:14 |
| sedak | fabbione ? | 07:14 |
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| fabbione | sedak: ? | 07:19 |
| sedak | hello | 07:19 |
| fabbione | Diziet: it's easier here on irc.. | 07:20 |
| fabbione | Diziet: what's wrong with that patch? | 07:20 |
| sedak | do you have the time to see the package i made for the rtl8180 driver ? | 07:20 |
| fabbione | sedak: not now.. probably tomorrow. i am just coming back from a bad flu | 07:20 |
| sedak | ok | 07:21 |
| sedak | hope you'll be fine again tomorrow :-) | 07:21 |
| Diziet | There wasn't any info in it about where it came from. | 07:22 |
| Diziet | Also, I only just found out that this channel existed ... | 07:22 |
| fabbione | Diziet: see debian/external-modules | 07:22 |
| fabbione | there is all you need there | 07:22 |
| Diziet | Joy. I just spent half the afternoon looking for that and it turns out to be right there, and you turn out to be right here to tell me. | 07:23 |
| Diziet | It would have been nice if someone on #ubuntu-devel could have maybe pointed me in the right direction. | 07:24 |
| fabbione | Diziet: what's the reason of such search? | 07:24 |
| Diziet | bugzilla 14244 | 07:24 |
| Diziet | Which I think turns out to be included in our 2.6.12 anyway. | 07:24 |
| fabbione | NOTABUG | 07:25 |
| fabbione | it is already inclueded | 07:25 |
| Diziet | I had the feeling it was a wild goose chase. | 07:25 |
| fabbione | if it doesn't work patches are welcome | 07:26 |
| Diziet | I have no evidence that it doesn't work. | 07:26 |
| lamont__ | Diziet: for cooked-and-on-the-table values of wild goose | 07:26 |
| fabbione | everything that starts as external_* is basically half supported.. | 07:26 |
| lamont__ | fabbione: we support the half that works??? | 07:26 |
| lamont__ | :-) | 07:26 |
| Diziet | Well, it's cooked and on the table _now_ but I was chasing it across half the web. | 07:26 |
| fabbione | lamont__: clearly :) | 07:26 |
| Diziet | I got badly distracted by the pptpclient sourceforge project who have some found-under-a-rock mppe patches. | 07:27 |
| fabbione | unfortunatly we didn't manage to get linux-non-supported-modules in place | 07:27 |
| fabbione | otherwise all that crap would land in that package but in main | 07:27 |
| fabbione | to *cough*help*cough* our wonderful users | 07:27 |
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| zul | fabbione: its in the debian/rules ;) | 07:28 |
| fabbione | zul: yeah.. in your branch that we never got to merge before FeatureFreeze | 07:32 |
| fabbione | anyway. -> off | 07:32 |
| zul | bah | 07:34 |
| Diziet | Well, thank you for your time. | 07:34 |
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| jbailey | Hey, have we killed devfs yet? | 08:01 |
| jbailey | Or are we waiting until initramfs-tools supports evms? | 08:01 |
| lamont__ | jbailey: I'd just like it to support my kernel.. :-) | 08:03 |
| jbailey | lamont__: Is initramfs still sucking for you? | 08:04 |
| jbailey | Last I played in my parisc chroot, lvm seemed to be a larger problem. =) | 08:05 |
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| lamont__ | jbailey: haven't played with it recently on ia64, but it's still claiming that it's not gzipped data after it fetches the gzipped data from the disk... | 08:05 |
| jbailey | That totally doesn't make any sense to me. =( | 08:09 |
| jbailey | If the magic numbers match, it ought to have returned valid data. | 08:09 |
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| zul | gar...stressed | 08:19 |
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