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Nafallo	\sh: no more Barrys? :-)	12:03
\sh	I just uploaded scalapack	12:04
\sh	now spplus	12:04
ajmitch	\sh: no, don't touch spplus	12:04
\sh	what's the problem?	12:04
ajmitch	I'm still fixing it to use the proper php-config stuff	12:04
ajmitch	to get the right phpapi depends	12:04
\sh	ok :)	12:04
\sh	deleted	12:05
ajmitch	except it's not quite cooperating - should be a simple 1-line fix though	12:05
\sh	and now t38modem	12:05
=== Nafallo is glad he asked ;-)
ajmitch	well, in a morning, bddebian gets more packages uploaded than I do in a month ;)	12:05
Nafallo	\sh: and then you could package those common modem-driver-daemon-thingie for amd64 :-P	12:06
\sh	ajmitch: is it?	12:07
\sh	well it's just a new morning here ,-)	12:07
ajmitch	\sh: well, maybe more than a month, I don't upload much ;)	12:07
\sh	but some packages didn't build now	12:07
\sh	but I can't access the build logs	12:07
ajmitch	yeah	12:08
\sh	looks like somethings wrong with the buildds?	12:08
ajmitch	maybe	12:08
ajmitch	I haven't seen quake2 hit the buildd yet	12:08
ajmitch	and I uploaded that a few hours ago	12:09
hub	there is a libwxgtk2.5.3, but no dev package :-(	12:09
\sh	where?	12:09
ajmitch	hub: no, there's no libwxgtk2.5.3	12:09
slomo	hub: 2.6	12:09
ogra	hub, that should disappear	12:09
ajmitch	you may still have it installed on your computer	12:09
ajmitch	but it is certainly replaced	12:09
\sh	which package?	12:10
hub	I just installed it :-/	12:10
ogra	we dont ship 2.5.3, only 2.6	12:10
hub	I'l remove it	12:10
\sh	ok..t38modem uploaded	12:10
ogra	then it should get dropped from the archive... i'll ask doko tomorrow if there is any rationale to keep it	12:10
hub	hugin seems to have a problem. damn	12:11
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\sh	there is no 2.5.3 in the archive	12:11
\sh	debian has it only	12:11
ogra	ah	12:11
\sh	hub: which source package	12:12
hub	Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libwxgtk2.5.3 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 [3285kB]	12:12
ajmitch	right, hoary...	12:12
ajmitch	we're doing breezy here :)	12:12
hub	ah yeah	12:12
hub	my bad	12:12
hub	sorry	12:12
\sh	lol	12:12
hub	I should remove hoary from the apt source list	12:12
Lathiat	ajmitch: ok, what should i do with this ipac-ng stuff?	12:14
\sh	does anyone know which email address sistopy is using for his key?	12:14
Nafallo	ehm, dvdsubdec?	12:14
ajmitch	Lathiat: stare at it in wonder..?	12:15
Nafallo	\sh: same as one REVU I would guess?	12:15
\sh	daemon@poleboy.com ?	12:15
ajmitch	Lathiat: I'm guessing you want it uploaded, right?	12:15
Nafallo	\sh: try that anyway :-)	12:15
Lathiat	ajmitch: yeh, like, do i have to ask someone else, upload to revu.. etc.	12:15
slomo	\sh: probably... that's his email in revu ;)	12:15
ajmitch	Lathiat: generally not, you can stick it up there if you want to	12:15
\sh	slomo: yes ;)	12:16
Lathiat	i dont want to, more worried if need to :)	12:16
ajmitch	Lathiat: I don't have time right now to upload	12:16
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hub	I have to fix the package I have put on REVU then	12:16
hub	crap	12:16
ajmitch	but I can do so later today	12:16
Lathiat	ajmitch: ok but do i need to harass someone else to look at it or is it fine?	12:16
ajmitch	no, 1 person harassment is enough	12:16
Lathiat	ok, thanks	12:17
ajmitch	I use ipac-ng & all, but if someone else wants to upload they can	12:17
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\sh	damn	12:20
\sh	missed a s/unstable/breezy/	12:20
\sh	in the changelog	12:20
\sh	grmpf	12:20
Lathiat	heh	12:21
Lathiat	i got into the habit of typing -D breezy	12:21
\sh	fixed reupload	12:21
\sh	hmmm	12:21
\sh	I could remove python2.2 from the packages?	12:21
\sh	ah no...this is debian stuff...I leave it	12:21
Nafallo	ehm	12:22
Nafallo	why do I have my frenchcourse in rhythmbox?!	12:22
Lathiat	yeh best not to if can, makes merging easier	12:22
Lathiat	\sh: thanks for t38modem	12:22
Lathiat	Nafallo: haha	12:23
ajmitch	Lathiat: debian will be dropping 2.1 & 2.2	12:23
ajmitch	since they don't want 5 versions of python in etch	12:23
\sh	ajmitch: but one package without an ubuntuX postfix is good for motu at all ,-)	12:24
ajmitch	\sh: ?	12:24
ogra	ajmitch, s/one/every/ ;)	12:24
\sh	ajmitch: I don't want to change the "rebuild only" packages...if 2.2/2.3/2.4 came directly from debian so I don't change it	12:24
ajmitch	\sh: alright..	12:24
ajmitch	ogra: thanks, I'm caffiene & sleep deprived today ;)	12:25
ogra	caffeine !!!	12:25
\sh	4 bottles of coke	12:25
=== ogra walks to the kichen
ajmitch	ogra: yes, see..	12:25
ajmitch	\sh: ah, I had about 1.5L over the course of the night	12:26
ajmitch	and another drink on the way to work	12:26
Lathiat	ajmitch: heh, cool	12:26
bddebian	\sh: Are you still breaking my stuff? ;-P	12:26
\sh	bddebian: finished	12:26
\sh	spplus is ajmitch's ,-)	12:26
bddebian	Ahh :-)	12:26
\sh	pyorbit I fixed ;)	12:26
\sh	the rest was good :)	12:27
ajmitch	it's much slower having to actually fix packages	12:27
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bddebian	Hmm, rubyfilter got rejected	12:27
\sh	why?	12:27
bddebian	'unstable' :-)	12:27
\sh	unstable? ,-)	12:27
\sh	lol	12:27
\sh	moment	12:28
Nafallo	hahah	12:28
\sh	here it comes again ,-)	12:28
\sh	why the hell is sistopy not whitelisted?	12:29
bddebian	He didn't ask? :-)	12:29
Lathiat	\sh: hrm half of the menu items for kdevelop segfault	12:30
\sh	Lathiat: ???	12:30
Nafallo	Lathiat: that's because it want to tell you not to use kde ;-)	12:30
Lathiat	haha	12:31
Lathiat	the KDE/C++ launches but the assitant and 'kde designer' both give me a kde SEGV box	12:31
bddebian	hehe	12:31
\sh	kdevelop3?	12:32
Lathiat	ya	12:32
ajmitch	Lathiat: don't worry, you still have 253 other menu items to choose from ;)	12:32
Lathiat	heh	12:32
bddebian	There are bugs on Malone for kdevelop3	12:33
\sh	4:3.2.2-0ubuntu1 ?	12:33
Lathiat	yup	12:33
\sh	apt-get install and let me try	12:33
ajmitch	\sh: btw sistpoty has been using daemon@poleboy.de	12:34
\sh	grmpf...I used the one from the wiki page	12:34
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ajmitch	yeah, I just looked it up on breezy changes	12:35
ajmitch	neither address is whitelisted anyway	12:35
\sh	well...Ok...the next packages ;)	12:35
Lathiat	kde seems to be fond of sideways tabs and they are horrid to read	12:35
bddebian	\sh: Not pushing, just asking. Have you got to my non-MOTU list yet?	12:36
\sh	no I'm just at the rebuilds	12:36
\sh	Lathiat: New Project -> C++ -> KDE -> KDE-Application -> Creating <- works for me	12:37
bddebian	OK, thx	12:37
Lathiat	\sh: in the menu	12:37
Lathiat	as in	12:37
Lathiat	kde or gnomes menu	12:37
Lathiat	theres like	12:37
Lathiat	6 different icons to launch it	12:37
Lathiat	the 'assistant' and 'kde designer' ones cause a segfault, the kde/c++ one works.. didnt try the others	12:38
\sh	I ave only one	12:38
Lathiat	herm	12:38
Lathiat	even in KDE	12:38
Lathiat	ive got under 'Development'	12:38
Lathiat	X-KDE-KDevelopIDE	12:39
Lathiat	with like 6 under it.. and in gnome, they all appear under 'programming'	12:39
\sh	ah kdevdesigner is segfaulting	12:39
\sh	well sometimes all kde apps are disappearing in gnome panel for me	12:40
Lathiat	also am i the only ones whos gamin pretty much never works anymore	12:40
Lathiat	\sh: heh yeh, i just had that happen just then	12:40
Lathiat	probably a result of gamin being useless	12:40
Lathiat	as it also just stopped working	12:40
Lathiat	http://bur.st/~lathiat/kdevelop.png	12:41
Lathiat	refresh if that 404d	12:41
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sistpoty	re ;)	12:42
\sh	grmpf	12:42
\sh	update your wiki page ,-)	12:42
\sh	sistpoty:	12:42
bddebian	Heh	12:42
sistpoty	. \sh do you think i should list rebuilds?	12:42
sistpoty	btw.: it's daemon@poleboy.de not .com ;)	12:42
\sh	Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.com> != Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.de>	12:42
\sh	yes	12:43
sistpoty	hehe	12:43
\sh	sistpoty: I meant your email address ,-)	12:43
sistpoty	hehe	12:43
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sistpoty	lol, i must have been drunk (or overworked) when i put that email on the wiki ;)	12:45
Nafallo	siretart: both? :-)	12:45
sistpoty	maybe even this g	12:45
Nafallo	gaah!	12:45
=== sistpoty is just drinking a beer... prost!
Nafallo	sistpoty: one of you should change name so that TAB works ;-)	12:45
bddebian	heh	12:46
sistpoty	hehe... (these are our university logins, so i'm quite used to it)	12:46
\sh	whois Graeme Kerry	12:46
sistpoty	never heard that name before	12:46
=== Nafallo neither
=== bddebian either
ajmitch	who? :)	12:47
\sh	whois Graeme Kerry	12:47
=== bddebian just moves all Malone bugs to bugzilla
bddebian	;-P	12:47
sistpoty	bddebian++ ;)	12:47
\sh	sistpoty: your rebuilds are also ok and uploaded ,-)	12:48
sistpoty	i've already seen the -package mails... thx ;)	12:48
\sh	but even this email address is not whitelisted poleboy.de	12:48
bddebian	rockin'	12:48
sistpoty	. \sh: i already wrote elmo 'bout it...	12:49
\sh	ah ok...	12:49
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sistpoty	btw.: sistpoty@jabberme.net	12:50
\sh	very good :)	12:50
sistpoty	;)	12:50
Nafallo	\sh: do you have something jabberd2 to try out btw?	12:51
sistpoty	does anybody use kde/gajim? (and try to run it by alt-f2)?	12:51
=== bddebian assigns non-main bugs to ogra ;-P
Nafallo	bddebian: :-)	12:51
bmonty	somebody should put a notice in Malone that it is for universe only	12:52
whiprush	hey \sh, can you get on jabber for a sec?	12:52
bddebian	bmonty: Aye	12:52
Nafallo	bmonty: baah, I file bugs for seb128 there. and they get fixed to ;-)	12:53
bmonty	if you read the page it says it is for all of Ubuntu, not just universe....what's the history on that?	12:53
bddebian	bmonty: Of course a lot of thse bugs are also very old	12:53
\sh	Nafallo: I had...but this was a nasty stufff...	12:53
bddebian	s/thse/these/	12:53
robitaille	bmonty, sooner than later main bugs will also be in Malone	12:54
Nafallo	\sh: we want nasty stuff :-)	12:54
Nafallo	\sh: we have n-m in universe ffs ;-)	12:54
sistpoty	hm... am i wrong that there are plans to use malone also for main sometime?	12:54
sistpoty	ah... thx. robitaille	12:54
bmonty	robitaille: ah...in the middle of a transition?	12:54
Nafallo	siretart: nope :-)	12:54
robitaille	not yet an actual transition, but it is our future.	12:55
\sh	ok I'm on	12:55
Nafallo	gaah	12:55
sistpoty	^^ that's what i was trying to say ;)	12:55
Nafallo	s/siretart/sistpoty/g	12:55
sistpoty	hehe	12:55
bddebian	robitaille: So I shouldn't be rejecting all of these main bugs?	12:55
robitaille	that's why I don't think it is a good idea to actually refilled non-universe bugs from Malone to Bugzilla	12:55
bddebian	NOW he tells me.. :-)	12:55
robitaille	just assign them to the proper people as needed	12:55
bmonty	sorry bddebian :P	12:56
sistpoty	yep... sorry ;)	12:56
\sh	whiprush: I'm on :)	12:56
Nafallo	\sh: ehm, I can't see you :-P	12:56
bddebian	shiite	12:56
\sh	I know..It's a bug in gajim ...	12:56
bddebian	robitaille: How do I know who the proper "people" are?	12:56
sistpoty	the strange thing with kde/gajim is if i run it by alt-f2, the run command box won't disappear... but i dunno if this is gajim or kde-related (yet)	12:57
Nafallo	\sh: huh? that's I can see everyone but you? ;-)	12:57
robitaille	if you know you know...if you don't then leave unassigned. At least that is what I do	12:57
\sh	Nafallo: it's a bug in gajim...I rechecked it with psi and exodus...and it's ok with them	12:57
bddebian	robitaille: OK	12:57
robitaille	I know that pitti refers to be cc'ed to security bugs (but not assigned) in Malone	12:58
robitaille	for example	12:58
robitaille	s/refers/prefers	12:58
bddebian	Hmm, another "undocumented" MOTU clause.. ;-)	12:58
\sh	and gabber wasn't only a rebuild :)	12:58
bddebian	\sh: OK, I'll pull it off the list when I update my stuff, thx again	12:59
sistpoty	hehe, and i'll update my list, once the buildd's have finished \sh's upload orgy	01:00
\sh	check the buildds ;)	01:03
\sh	argl...and some strange buildd bugs grmpf	01:04
sistpoty	?	01:05
\sh	http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pysol-sound-server/3.00-2ubunut1/pysol-sound-server_3.00-2ubunut1_20050905-2305-i386-failed.gz	01:05
bmonty	what is the process to get a newer version of a debian package brought in to universe (i.e. childsplay)?	01:06
\sh	syncing	01:06
sistpoty	put it on MOTUToSync? (and ping elmo?)	01:06
sistpoty	btw.: \sh you did rocking work the we have the revu-server now ;)	01:07
\sh	sistpoty: i didn't have anything to do with it :) thank siretart and yourself :)	01:08
bmonty	sistpoty: thanks	01:08
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\sh	sistpoty: and thanks to ubuntu + canonical :)	01:14
sistpoty	. \sh full ack!	01:16
sistpoty	lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pysol-sound-server/3.00-2ubunut1/pysol-sound-server_3.00-2ubunut1_20050905-2305-i386-failed.gz	01:34
sistpoty	lamont: can you make s.th. about this?	01:34
lamont	s.th?	01:34
sistpoty	looks like a buildd-issue to me... \sh wrote about half an hour ago	01:35
lamont	yep	01:35
ogra	tseng, where did the n-m upload go ?	01:36
tseng	ogra: i dont know	01:36
tseng	ogra: NEW?	01:36
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sistpoty	lamont: thank you	01:36
ogra	ouch	01:36
lamont	sistpoty: and automatically retried	01:36
lamont	or should be	01:36
tseng	ogra: i dont think we had the vpn stuff before	01:36
sistpoty	ah... ok, didn't know this	01:36
tseng	ogra: but my mail server is dead	01:36
ogra	what vpn stuff ?	01:36
tseng	ogra: network-manager-vpnc	01:36
ogra	i thought that was a separate package ?	01:37
tseng	is it?	01:37
Nafallo	tseng: that's what j^ said anyway	01:37
tseng	anyway	01:37
tseng	my mail server is dead	01:37
tseng	and i wouldnt have gotten mail anyway	01:37
tseng	i just signed it	01:37
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ogra	tseng, we're talking about this one, yes ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514	01:39
sistpoty	ogra: maybe ?upid=541?	01:42
ogra	sistpoty, nope	01:42
ogra	we talked about n-m ...	01:43
sistpoty	ok, i got this wrong... thought you were talking about n-m-vpnc	01:43
sistpoty	sorry	01:43
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ogra	thats what i'm trying to find out ;)	01:44
sistpoty	hehe	01:44
ogra	i talked about n-m	01:44
tseng	ogra: can someone tell us what happened?	01:47
ogra	tseng, we talked about different packages ?	01:47
tseng	ogra: eh, n-m	01:48
ogra	hmm...	01:48
tseng	ogra: is not on breezy-changes	01:48
ogra	nope	01:48
tseng	i uploaded it	01:48
ogra	hmm	01:48
tseng	so now what	01:48
ogra	wild elmo poking ? ...	01:48
=== tseng pokes elmo wildly
ogra	heh	01:49
tseng	it can wait	01:49
ogra	yup	01:49
\sh	bddebian: pingeling	01:49
ogra	its just that jdub runs around and tells people to try out n-m :)	01:49
\sh	bddebian: why didn't u put the diff from debian as patch into tapiir?	01:50
whiprush	is there a list of packages that still need to move to libcairo2?	01:52
tseng	apt-cache rdepends libcairo1	01:52
whiprush	ta	01:52
\sh	argl	01:56
\sh	ugly	01:57
\sh	very ugly	01:57
\sh	# Generate the makefile, if it is not there	01:57
\sh	in debian/rules clean target	01:58
ogra	shudder	01:58
\sh	yeah	01:59
\sh	and I'm to lazy to install all build-deps on my breezy production system	01:59
\sh	so I have to fix this	02:00
ogra	yup	02:00
ogra	isnt it just running configure ?	02:00
\sh	yes...but it checks against some -dev packages	02:01
\sh	or headers better to say	02:01
\sh	which are not on my breezy system, only in pbuilder	02:01
\sh	but debuild -S calls debian/rules clean and then	02:01
ogra	put it either in a separate configure-stamp target and call that from the build target or put it directly in the build target	02:02
\sh	that's what I did now..	02:03
\sh	the configure-stamp target was called by debian/rules configure which is called by debian/clean target...ugly as I said.and calling automake magic orgy	02:03
ogra	ugh	02:03
\sh	fixed	02:05
\sh	build uploaded	02:05
bddebian	\sh: Huh, sorry?	02:05
\sh	bddebian: Andreas Jochens patch for tapiir ;) put that into a patch file in debian/patches	02:06
bddebian	\sh: Is that new? I didn't see a patch on tapiir before??	02:08
\sh	http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/tapiir/tapiir-0.7.1-7ubuntu1.debdiff	02:08
\sh	it's yours	02:08
\sh	http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297967	02:08
\sh	u refered in the changelog to it ,-)	02:08
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bddebian	Oh, tapiir, I think I got that patch from BTS. What should I have done differently?	02:10
=== bddebian is confused
\sh	bddebian: take the diff and put it into debian/patches and patch the source from inside the debian/rules and dch -v <newubuntuversion> -D breezy --closes <bts number>	02:11
\sh	and then take the debdiff after debuild -S	02:11
\sh	and while u are doing the debuild -S you could have seen another nastyness ;)	02:12
bddebian	\sh: I keep getting conflicting info on that. See savant vs quickplot.	02:13
ogra	bddebian, doing it in debian/patches is more elegant :)	02:13
ogra	indeed it works both ways :)	02:14
\sh	the thing is reviewing a debdiff is much more difficult then reviewing as well the patches in separate files	02:15
bddebian	OK, I will fix	02:16
\sh	well...it's funny when u have a g++ ftbfs in a big sourcecode, and unpack the orig.tar.gz fix the problem somehow, but when u apply the patch inside debian/rules it doesn't apply properly because someone fixed something else in the diff.gz	02:16
\sh	the mixing up is the problem	02:16
\sh	bddebian: it's fixed ;)	02:16
bddebian	Oh, sorry	02:17
\sh	bddebian: forget it :)	02:17
=== bddebian is lame :-(
\sh	no you're not	02:24
ogra	nope	02:24
ogra	bddebian, your name sticks on 15 uploads today... how could you be lame ?	02:25
hub	crap	02:25
hub	who package wxgtk?	02:25
hub	I have a question about that	02:25
ogra	hub, doko ?	02:26
hub	doko: you here?	02:26
bddebian	ogra: Only after \sh fixed them :-)	02:26
ogra	at least he communicates with the debian tem/dev doing it	02:26
ogra	s/tem/team	02:26
hub	looks like hugin does not like the locale en_CA.UTF-8	02:26
hub	but in en_CA it works	02:27
hub	and I suspect it is a wx problem	02:27
ogra	bddebian, nope... the ones he fixed carry his name ;)	02:27
bddebian	Oh, and rebuilds don't count ;-P	02:27
ogra	hub, move to gb as a workaround ?	02:27
ogra	or us ?	02:27
\sh	bddebian: you tested the packages..and this is your work	02:28
\sh	bddebian: when I fix something or test something I'm responsible	02:28
\sh	bddebian: so all packages you tested, and which have your name you're responsible	02:28
\sh	bddebian: but I sign it with my key, until you're a motu...hope that u have upload rights soon	02:29
bddebian	I don't think I want them ;-P	02:30
\sh	bddebian: u don't have a choice, friend	02:30
bddebian	heh	02:30
\sh	I'm tired to do all your uploads ,-)	02:30
\sh	well..actually it's 2:31 GMT+2 so I know why I'm tired ,-)	02:30
slomo	bddebian: when i have them before you you can ping me when you want something uploaded ;)	02:31
hub	ogra: en_CA works	02:31
hub	ogra: the problem is that I'm packaging the beast:-)	02:31
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hub	ogra: better move to fr_QC	02:31
hub	;-)	02:31
bddebian	slomo: :-)	02:32
ogra	hub, depends... for me that wouldnt be a good move, my franch sucks :)	02:32
ogra	french even (you see ? )	02:32
\sh	hehe	02:32
hub	fr_QC does not exist:-)	02:32
ogra	heh	02:32
\sh	fr_QC == Quebec French? ,-)	02:32
bddebian	shit, wiliki still depends gauche-gdbm wtf :-(	02:33
robitaille	fr_QC would be a good PR to release just before UBZ	02:33
\sh	bddebian: it build here...what is it?	02:33
\sh	install-dep or build-dep?	02:34
bddebian	\sh: It built successfully but on apt-get install it depends gauche-gdbm and there is no candidate :-(	02:34
\sh	so install dep	02:34
bddebian	??	02:34
\sh	build-dep == dependency needed for building...and install-dep needed for installing ,-)	02:35
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\sh	bddebian: so gauche is broke	02:36
\sh	n	02:36
bddebian	\sh: Aye. Oh, I though you were saying install the dep. Sorry.	02:36
\sh	Package: gauche	02:36
\sh	Binary: gauche-doc, gauche, gauche-dev, gauche-gdbm	02:36
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bddebian	Typically I just say dep with an install-dep and build-dep specifically when it build-deps ;-)	02:36
\sh	yes	02:37
\sh	gauche is broken	02:37
ogra	bah scheme ...	02:37
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\sh	checking it	02:38
sistpoty	i had scheme in my first semester... and teached it as "hiwi" for 3 semesters ;) (but still don't have a clue bout it)	02:38
ogra	i had to packag squeak for ubuntu recently...	02:39
ogra	no fun...	02:39
\sh	first I have to wait for savant	02:39
bddebian	:-)	02:39
\sh	I WANT AN LINKSYS WRT54G	02:40
ogra	i have one... :)	02:40
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\sh	so I can build on the nc6000 via ssh from the r200	02:40
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\sh	bah	02:40
\sh	next month	02:40
\sh	I will try to get the wrt54GS ,-)	02:41
bmonty\|NickTaken	WRT54Gs are real cheap now :)	02:41
\sh	in saturn/mediamarkt in germany they made a special the last month wrt54g for 39,- eur or something	02:41
bmonty\|NickTaken	have you ever looked at newegg.com?	02:42
bmonty\|NickTaken	not sure what they would charge to ship to Germany though	02:42
\sh	no until last month I never thought about a wifi router	02:42
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bmonty\|NickTaken	if you get the WRT54G check out the openwrt firmware	02:44
sistpoty	ok, I'm off to bed now... my gf has birthday tomorrow (actually today) so i unfortunately can't join TBMeeting... cya the day after tomorrow	02:44
\sh	cu sistpoty :) and happy birthday to your girlfriend from MOTU :)	02:45
Nafallo	\sh++	02:45
tseng	\sh+++	02:45
\sh	???	02:45
tseng	i dunno	02:45
hub	bmonty\|NickTaken: I have to install it at some point OpenWRT	02:45
sistpoty	hehe, I'll tell her ;)	02:46
sistpoty	gn8	02:46
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bmonty\|NickTaken	hub: yeah it has worked really well for me for almost the year I have had the router	02:46
hub	what does it provide better?	02:47
\sh	linux ,-)	02:47
\sh	and 400 packages or more?	02:47
bmonty\|NickTaken	\sh: what sh said, and you can ditch the crippled interface that linksys has	02:48
\sh	well...it supports as well a 1gb SD MMC card ,-)	02:48
\sh	you can install apache on it with some hot stuff to share lol	02:49
hub	\sh: it already runs linux	02:49
Nafallo	\sh: porn!	02:49
Nafallo	:-)	02:49
hub	\sh: well I already have my webserver here... 2 in fact	02:49
bddebian	Nice, gauche FTBFSs	02:49
\sh	that's why it's not in the archive	02:49
bddebian	Yah think? ;-P	02:50
\sh	yes	02:50
bmonty\|NickTaken	hub: one of my favorite features is the ability to ssh to the router and make changes....just like any other linux box	02:50
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\sh	bddebian: u have patches for gauche?	02:59
\sh	gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I./../gc/include -g -O2 -fPIC -fomit-frame-pointer -c autoloads.c	03:00
\sh	autoloads.c: In function 'Scm__InitAutoloads':	03:00
\sh	autoloads.c:309: error: invalid lvalue in assignment	03:00
\sh	http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315069	03:00
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\sh	bddebian: gauche is fixed ... I'll upload	03:05
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\sh	hmm...missed another patch *grmpf	03:12
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Nafallo	hmm, can we resize ext3 in the installer yet? :-)	03:15
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\sh	ok..now gauche is fixed	03:22
Burgundavia	Nafallo, I believe so	03:23
Nafallo	that would be rad! then I could add lvm :-)	03:23
robitaille	Nafallo, I resized a ext3 partition with the installer 2 weeks ago	03:23
robitaille	i.e, breezy colony 3	03:23
Nafallo	robitaille: yay! I'll try that some other day then :-)	03:23
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\sh	Lathiat: looks like if kdevelop3 needs some love for rebuild ;)	03:24
robitaille	it also does ntfs...which is what impressed me :)	03:24
Nafallo	screw ntfs, I use ext3 ;-)	03:25
ajmitch	fun, meeting at work went moderately OK	03:30
ajmitch	contrary to expectations ;)	03:30
\sh	yawn	03:30
hub	ajmitch: did find any breakage in Mono recently	03:32
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\sh	ok..guys...I'm ready for bed :)	03:37
\sh	bddebian: gauche is uploaded and should compile now...	03:37
\sh	bddebian: the rest as well...check wiki page	03:37
bddebian	\sh: You rock man	03:38
\sh	bddebian: for the syncs ping elmo...greetings from motu universe	03:38
bddebian	??	03:38
\sh	you had 2 packages to sync from debian :) so..elmo is your man :)	03:39
bddebian	Ohh. Do you know if he prefers e-mail or irc?	03:40
\sh	try irc (-devel) first ;)	03:40
ajmitch	hub: was that a question or a statement?	03:43
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hub	ajmitch: question	03:43
ajmitch	no, mono is working fine for me	03:44
hub	ajmitch: some stuff no longer works, while they did before	03:44
\sh	bddebian: tell him what to sync	03:44
hub	like autopano-sift	03:44
hub	I'll report a bug to them then	03:44
\sh	bddebian: just like this: elmo: please sync <package>-<debian-version> from debian unstable please :)	03:44
ajmitch	bddebian: after todays lot you can rank with the master MOTUs	03:44
bddebian	Yeah right :-)	03:45
ajmitch	bddebian: well at least they'll recognise your name at the TB meeting tomorrow	03:46
\sh	yeah	03:47
bddebian	Hey, what is that supposed to mean?? ;-P	03:47
bddebian	Hmm, newer version of qmtest in Debian too	03:47
ajmitch	you just need TB approval for MOTU, right?	03:47
bddebian	Aye	03:47
bddebian	Supposedly I was going to get it last meeting but I was out of town.	03:48
ajmitch	so they should see that you've made some contributions	03:48
\sh	so u will get it tomorrow ;)	03:48
ajmitch	and then the all-singing, all-dancing MOTU troupe can cheer for you	03:48
\sh	or today at 20:00 UTC ,-)	03:48
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\sh	ok..the last package of non-MOTU tested and uploaded	03:49
\sh	now I'm done	03:49
bddebian	ajmitch: Heh	03:49
=== ajmitch needs some cheerleaders tomorrow
bddebian	\sh: You totally ROCK d00d	03:49
bddebian	ajmitch: Why?	03:49
slomo	ajmitch: he will get enough cheerleaders :P don't worry ;)	03:50
\sh	ok...anything else?	03:50
\sh	anymore sponsorship? ,-)	03:50
ajmitch	bddebian: going for main upload	03:50
bddebian	\sh: Bug fixing? ;-P	03:50
bddebian	ajmitch: Rockin' d00d	03:50
ajmitch	to join the illustrious ranks of ogra, dholbach, tseng & \sh ;)	03:50
\sh	lol	03:51
\sh	the main stuff I uploaded u can count on one hand ,-)	03:51
ajmitch	\sh: more than me :)	03:51
\sh	ajmitch: and for xterm it was after UVF ,-)	03:51
ajmitch	you've probably done 10x more universe uploads, too	03:51
ajmitch	heh	03:51
\sh	aye...	03:52
ajmitch	mdz didn't like it, did he?	03:52
\sh	ajmitch: I was ok with daniels...so i didn't think of it...my fault	03:53
\sh	ok one more cigarette	03:53
ajmitch	lol	03:53
bddebian	Heh, aye good idea \sh	03:53
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ajmitch	so I can last another couple of hours ;)	03:53
bddebian	heh	03:54
\sh	in 3 hours I have to get up again :) and makeing breakfast for son :)	03:54
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\sh	gnight guys :)	03:59
ajmitch	yeah, I think I managed about 3 hours sleep last night	03:59
ajmitch	from about 8pm-11pm, then up until work at 9 :)	03:59
\sh	ok..off to bed :) cu during the day :)	04:00
bddebian	gnight \sh, thanks again	04:00
bmonty	bddebian: are you going to move pyxine to the morgue candidates?	04:00
bddebian	bmonty: Aye, I should	04:02
bmonty	looks like there are several packages in the NOBODY list that could be moved out also since they are already categorized elsewhere	04:02
ajmitch	certainly	04:03
ajmitch	a couple of which I'm working on	04:03
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bddebian	Is there a "quick and dirty" way in Malone to see all bugs assigned to MOTU?	04:04
bmonty	can't you tell it to show all bugs assigned to a user?	04:05
ajmitch	bddebian: of course	04:05
bddebian	"Assigned to me" but I don't see one for "Assigned to X"	04:05
ajmitch	https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned/?name=motu	04:05
ajmitch	go to team MOTU, click on bugs tab	04:06
ajmitch	that gets you a summary	04:06
ajmitch	the whole list (url i just pasted) is at the bottomt	04:06
bddebian	Ah, cool thanks	04:06
ajmitch	that's what I've been workgin from :)	04:06
ajmitch	you can sort by any of the columns listed there	04:06
ajmitch	malone has come a long way since I first used it	04:07
bddebian	Well I was sorting by asignee and "next"ing until I got to MOTU ;-P	04:07
ajmitch	heh	04:07
bmonty	that is a long list....	04:07
ajmitch	bmonty: yep, get hacking	04:07
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ajmitch	I tend to assign them to myself if I'm going to work on them	04:08
bddebian	Heh	04:08
ajmitch	possibly not the best thing, because followups don't go to universe-bugs	04:08
bddebian	What do we do about package X missing in Hoary type bugs?	04:08
ajmitch	bddebian: can't do a thing	04:08
ajmitch	we're certainly not going to push them into hoary-updates this late into breezy :)	04:08
bddebian	So reject them, leave them as new, what?	04:09
ajmitch	reject	04:09
bmonty	ajmitch: can't you just add a comment to say that you are working it?	04:09
ajmitch	no point leaving such bugs as new	04:09
ajmitch	bmonty: yeah, I can	04:09
ajmitch	which I'll probably do	04:09
=== ajmitch will fix the remaining bugs on his assigned list first
bmonty	is there a Malone "best practices" page in the wiki?	04:10
ajmitch	https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned/?name=ajmitch	04:10
ajmitch	not yet, want to write one?	04:10
bmonty	I would, but I doubt I would get it right :)	04:11
ajmitch	or we could discuss it at the MOTU meeting	04:11
ajmitch	Lathiat: got that vegastrike amd64 FTBFS patch? I've been searching for it, and irc logs say he emailed it to you	04:11
=== ajmitch notes quake2 is still pendingupload because the buildd's haven't processed it yet
bddebian	Yeah, the buildds seem to be quite behind. Many of the packages \sh threw up don't show up yet	04:13
ajmitch	bddebian: please, don't reject bazaar bugs!	04:13
bddebian	ajmitch: Too late	04:14
bddebian	I found this out after the fact	04:14
ajmitch	bazaar is an canonical product that uses malone	04:14
ajmitch	you can't un-reject?	04:14
bddebian	Dunno	04:14
bddebian	But bazaar is main	04:14
ajmitch	doesn't matter	04:14
bddebian	I posted them on bugzilla	04:14
ajmitch	bazaar as upstream is using malone	04:14
bddebian	I didn't reject the upstream bugs	04:15
ajmitch	the MOTUs aren't the sole user of malone	04:15
ajmitch	bddebian: you reassigned them all to MOTU as well?	04:15
bddebian	ajmitch: Yes, they were not assigned	04:16
bddebian	ajmitch: See why I don't trust myself :-)	04:16
ajmitch	bddebian: please don't assign such bugs to MOTU :)	04:16
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bddebian	:'-(	04:17
ajmitch	assigning a bug is usually an indication that we're responsible & willing to fix it	04:17
ajmitch	and 'accepted' generally means that someone is working on it as we speak	04:17
bddebian	What did I accept?	04:18
ajmitch	these things are more accepted policy rather than hard technical reasons	04:18
ajmitch	https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/511	04:18
ajmitch	bddebian: I'll add some stuff about this to the MOTU meeting agenda	04:19
bddebian	ajmitch: Thanks, good idea	04:19
ajmitch	so we can sort it out as a group rather than me leading you astray ;)	04:19
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bmonty	when is the next meet BTW?	04:24
ajmitch	wed 7 Sept, 2200UTC	04:24
ajmitch	so Real Soon Now	04:24
bddebian	TB or MOTU?	04:24
bddebian	TB is tomorrow :-)	04:24
bddebian	Hmm, I only see buildlog for i386 for wiliki	04:25
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bmonty	ajmitch: don't you just LOVE organizing meetings!	04:36
ajmitch	bmonty: I'm not organising it, just encouraging people to participate ;)	04:37
bmonty	any guidance on how to handle unmetdeps bugs in malone?	04:37
ajmitch	bmonty: fix them?	04:37
ajmitch	if they were fixed by a recent upload, close them with that as a reason	04:37
bmonty	heh...no should I just mark it "PendingUpload" and throw the debdiff on the wiki	04:38
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ajmitch	bmonty: good idea, put the debdiff url in the status field	04:38
ajmitch	so the bug & debdiff are in the same place..	04:38
ajmitch	using a bug tracker is better than a wiki for this	04:38
bmonty	makes sense...I'm going to start an MOTUMaloneUsage wiki page	04:39
ajmitch	bmonty: and I've added that as a meeting topic	04:39
bmonty	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMaloneUsage	04:44
ajmitch	yep, added in another paragraph :)	04:46
bddebian	bmonty: nice	04:46
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bmonty	ajmitch: status field or add a comment?	04:50
ajmitch	bmonty: well the status field doesn't show until you edit it	04:50
ajmitch	which is a pain	04:50
bmonty	bddebian: any other nuggets of wisdom to add....you've been working with Malone all day (judging from my inbox)	04:50
ajmitch	bddebian: maybe sync requests could be set to PendingUpload	04:50
bmonty	ajmitch: yeah, that is why I think it should be the comment field :)	04:51
ajmitch	bmonty: status field is specific to the task, and is more of a scratch area	04:51
ajmitch	malone has this bug/task separation	04:51
bmonty	ajmitch: maybe it needs a table to define each status for common MOTU tasks	04:51
ajmitch	bmonty: good idea	04:52
bddebian	ajmitch: I thought about that but since it wasn't truly sitting on the buildd, I wasn't sure if that was valid? :-)	04:52
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ajmitch	bddebian: pendingupload means there's a fix ready for upload	04:53
ajmitch	(at least that's the common usage)	04:53
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ajmitch	bmonty: 1846 is still New, not Accepted?	04:53
ajmitch	bmonty: and for the 10th time, I've got bochs as needing sync on the unmet deps page ;)	04:54
bddebian	ajmitch: OK. I guess my concern was just seeing if someone would see it. :-)	04:54
ajmitch	bddebian: it's far easier to search for bugs marked as pending upload when a MOTU is bored & has bandwidth to burn	04:55
bmonty	1846 is still in new, and can we put bochs in the needs sync category at the bottom of the page?	04:55
bmonty	ajmitch: did you find the problem with sb16ctrl not getting copied?	04:55
ajmitch	bmonty: no, but 2.2 works	04:55
bddebian	ajmitch: OK, fair enough	04:56
=== ajmitch would rather sync a package like bochs
ajmitch	even though it breaks UVF< it is justified	04:56
bmonty	it builds on my machine but dies when it runs dhinstall...I agree that it is probably easier to sync the package	04:57
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bmonty	are we changing the bug status to accepted when someone starts working on it?	05:01
ajmitch	bmonty: yes, imho	05:04
=== ajmitch should write that in the Bug assignment section on the page
bmonty	check out what I just added	05:06
ajmitch	ok	05:08
ajmitch	looks good	05:08
bmonty	nah, still needs lots of work :)	05:09
bmonty	just a prototype	05:09
ajmitch	yeah, but it's a good start	05:09
ajmitch	gives us something to talk about at the meeting	05:09
ajmitch	added to meeting agenda :)	05:10
bmonty	meeting is on this chan, right?	05:10
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bddebian	bmonty: No, #ubuntu-meeting	05:12
bmonty	thanks	05:12
bddebian	ajmitch: Did you tell me that ezmlm was dropped in Debian?	05:14
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ajmitch	bddebian: dropped long time ago	05:17
bddebian	ajmitch: Thanks bro	05:18
ajmitch	ezmlm-idx is supposedly the modern replacement, but not in debian	05:18
jsgotangco	what the heck i just slept and we now have a ton of gstreamer updates :)	05:20
bmonty	ever seen this: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables	05:21
bmonty	this is on a fresh breezy install	05:21
bddebian	I saw someone with that in here recently but I don't recall who.	05:21
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ajmitch	hey jsgotangco	05:22
ajmitch	what's up?	05:22
jsgotangco	hey	05:22
bmonty	is this a conflict with autoconf and gcc 4.0??	05:22
jsgotangco	oh im just updating one box	05:22
jsgotangco	i finished colony 4 test last night	05:23
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jsgotangco	good thing i got to rsync it just before Kamion announced it	05:23
ajmitch	obviously wireless is still working nicely, which is great :)	05:23
jsgotangco	seems i still got the same problems	05:23
=== ajmitch used to get very poor reception in his room, works much better now
jsgotangco	not to mention we actually broke the build (ubuntu-docs, ubuntu-quickguide)	05:24
ajmitch	yeah	05:24
ajmitch	oops ;)	05:24
ajmitch	I saw ogra complainign to jbailey about that	05:24
jsgotangco	well its not jbailey's fault either, he was not that familiar with how it was done before (so do i)	05:25
jsgotangco	but then i guess he didnt see the seeds	05:25
bddebian	aaaccckk, too many wikipages... :-)	05:26
ajmitch	bddebian: congratulations, you got a package uploaded to main ;)\	05:26
bddebian	I did????	05:26
ajmitch	yep	05:26
bddebian	Uh oh	05:26
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bddebian	Did I screw something up again?	05:27
ajmitch	pyorbit has binaries in both main & universe	05:27
ajmitch	no, you did fine	05:27
bddebian	phew	05:27
ajmitch	it was just a rebuild	05:27
ajmitch	you'd get in trouble if you broke UVF in main before preview freeze	05:27
bddebian	Do they actually work? :-)	05:27
ajmitch	s/freeze/release/	05:28
ajmitch	as it is, you might get yelled at a little	05:28
bddebian	Great	05:28
ajmitch	since main upload policy at the moment is get approval before uploads	05:28
bddebian	Not even an MOTU yet and I'm going to be in trouble.. :'-(	05:28
ajmitch	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreviewFreeze	05:29
ajmitch	act innocent ;)	05:29
bddebian	Fuuuck	05:29
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ajmitch	plead your case before the high court^W^WTechnical Board	05:29
bddebian	I am innocent (well stupid anyway)	05:30
bmonty	"Acts of God".....oops :)	05:30
jsgotangco	lol	05:30
ajmitch	heh, it's excusable.. it just happened that you got \sh uploading	05:30
ajmitch	who can upload to main	05:30
jsgotangco	err why is that both binaries are in 2 repos?	05:31
ajmitch	jsgotangco: hm? it got seeded into one, I'd say	05:31
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ajmitch	I only noticed because my laptop was fetching python2.4-pyorbit	05:31
ajmitch	and the laptop has very little from universe on it so far	05:32
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ajmitch	bddebian: even better, the package is in the desktop seed ;)	05:33
bmonty	ajmitch: are you still working on audacity?	05:33
ajmitch	bmonty: uh, I still use it :)	05:33
ajmitch	I don't have an audacity bug assigned to me	05:33
ajmitch	is there something on the wiki that I was meant to take care of?	05:34
bmonty	no, I'm working on some of the bugs filed against it	05:34
ajmitch	bmonty: ok, so it's still in universe..	05:35
bmonty	at least as far as Malone is concerned	05:35
ajmitch	ah, that was by my name for unmet deps at 1 point, I see	05:36
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bmonty	sorry man, I guess I need to be more specific with my questions	05:36
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bmonty	I'm looking at an audacity bug (#1523) and I noticed you have audacity on unmetdeps...are you done working on the package?	05:38
bmonty	are you guys getting highvoltage joining/leaving every 30 seconds?	05:38
bddebian	bmonty: Yes, and it happens often :-(	05:40
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bmonty	goodnight everyone	05:51
bddebian	Gnight bmonty, good stuff :-)	05:52
ajmitch	night bmonty	05:54
bddebian	ajmitch: You fixed spplus?	05:57
ajmitch	bddebian: nope, I'm still at work	05:58
bddebian	Oh. Is it your intention to fix it?	05:58
ajmitch	of course	05:58
bddebian	OK :-)	05:59
=== ajmitch wonders how pyorbit slipped onto \sh's list
ajmitch	since a rebuild could not cause one of the binaries to be installable	06:00
bddebian	ajmitch: That was my fault	06:00
ajmitch	I know, but he didn't check :)	06:00
ajmitch	so he'll get a fair share of blame :)	06:00
=== ajmitch will have to write some scripts to check for packages in main;)
ajmitch	hook scripts into dput, tweak them right, and it won't let you upload when you're not meant to :)	06:03
bddebian	I thought python-bonobo was fixed?	06:04
ajmitch	I don't see a python-bonobo in the archive?	06:06
bddebian	Hmm, I didn't look but I thought someone said that. python-pcgi still deps on it	06:06
ajmitch	python-bobo	06:07
ajmitch	which is also missing	06:07
bddebian	So fix it. ;-P	06:07
ajmitch	python-bobo isn't in sarge, etch, or sid	06:07
chillywilly	hi	06:08
ajmitch	last debian upload was 2001	06:08
bddebian	Heya chillywilly	06:08
chillywilly	hey	06:08
ajmitch	python-pcgi was removed from sid last week	06:08
bddebian	Heh, great	06:08
ajmitch	last debian upload of it was also 2001	06:08
bddebian	Any reason?	06:08
bddebian	Ahh, I'll add to morgue candidates then	06:08
ajmitch	last upstream release, 1999 ;)	06:09
ajmitch	bddebian: so how could python-pcgi install fine for you & make it onto your list?	06:11
bddebian	ajmitch: It probably didn't. There were a couple that I put on there without testing the actual deps.	06:11
bddebian	:-(	06:11
ajmitch	ouch	06:12
ajmitch	don't do that :)	06:12
ajmitch	that's why my build & upload of the list wasn't moving fast :)	06:12
bddebian	I'm a "work in progress" :-(	06:12
ajmitch	haha	06:13
bddebian	Hmm, should I ask for a sync of gabber 1.9 from experimental? ;-P	06:15
ajmitch	\sh is the jabber expert ;)	06:15
bddebian	I wonder why savant isn't in the archive yet???	06:17
ajmitch	because it doesn't want to be	06:18
bddebian	Bah	06:19
ajmitch	uh oh, bddebian getting cornered by the angry italian :)	06:20
bddebian	Aye :-(	06:20
ajmitch	s/severest/sincerest/	06:21
bddebian	No, severest ;-P	06:21
bddebian	Holy crap, I think the unmetdep list just doubled... :-(	06:22
ajmitch	great!	06:22
ajmitch	more fun for us	06:22
bddebian	Not for me. After today I think I'm going to get fired. ;-)	06:23
ajmitch	nah	06:23
ajmitch	testing re-opening of #318 for you..	06:24
bddebian	I'm doing 269	06:24
ajmitch	worked for me	06:25
ajmitch	now marking as upstream is fun	06:25
bddebian	269 still shows upstream for me	06:25
ajmitch	318 didn't have upstream tag	06:25
ajmitch	I'm sure you'll dig yourself out of the hole soon ;)	06:27
bddebian	Well I'm going to bed before I get in any more trouble :-)	06:41
bddebian	Gnight folks	06:41
ajmitch	night bddebian	06:41
tritium	good night bddebian	06:41
ajmitch	thanks for your good work today :)	06:41
bddebian	Hehe, yeah.. ;-)	06:42
ajmitch	it was good, bar a few minor issues	06:42
bddebian	Thx, catch ya tomorrow	06:42
bddebian	Later tritium	06:42
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ivoks	morning	08:32
ajmitch	hi ivoks	08:32
ivoks	ajmitch: hi :)	08:32
ivoks	i have a job for you, an easy one :)	08:32
ivoks	i fixed right click on xine-ui	08:32
ivoks	i need someone to upload it :)	08:33
ivoks	and review it first, of course :)	08:33
ivoks	or i should just upload to revu?	08:33
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dholbach	good morning	09:09
Burgundavia	salut dholbach, thanks for the g-s latest crack	09:11
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dholbach	g-s?	09:11
Burgundavia	dholbach, gnome-screesaver	09:11
ajmitch	morning dholbach!	09:11
dholbach	ahhh ok :)	09:11
dholbach	morning andrew, morning corey	09:12
ajmitch	how are you today?	09:12
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dholbach	a bit tired still, but i guess it'll be a charming day :)	09:12
dholbach	how are you?	09:12
ivoks	hi	09:12
ivoks	dholbach: could you check out xine-ui on revu	09:13
=== ajmitch is ok
ivoks	i fixed right click crash	09:13
dholbach	ivoks: will do later	09:13
ivoks	dholbach: ok	09:13
ajmitch	surprisingly good considering how little sleep I had last night ;)	09:13
dholbach	ivoks: but i will take care of it	09:13
dholbach	ajmitch: how long did you sleep?	09:13
ajmitch	from about 8pm-11pm	09:13
ajmitch	then MOTUing all the way to work	09:14
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ivoks	:)	09:14
=== ajmitch wasn't terribly productive, but it was fun
dholbach	ouch :)	09:14
Lathiat	heh	09:14
ajmitch	a few bugs squashed	09:15
ajmitch	a couple of things uploaded	09:15
Lathiat	damnit, im getting liek 8 emails to avahi@fd.o about paypal or email every 12 horus	09:16
Lathiat	its gone nuts	09:16
ajmitch	dholbach: feel free to add some info to MOTUMaloneUsage that bmonty & myself started :)	09:16
ajmitch	dholbach: it's also on the meeting agenda	09:16
dholbach	oh cool	09:16
dholbach	you guys ROCK	09:17
ivoks	heh	09:17
siretart	morning folks	09:18
dholbach	hey ivoks, siretart :)	09:18
ivoks	? :)	09:18
dholbach	"full house" this morning	09:18
ivoks	hey dholbach didn't see you :)	09:19
dholbach	:)	09:19
ajmitch	hi siretart	09:19
siretart	huhu dholbach, hi ajmitch! :)	09:19
ivoks	ok i did one mistake	09:19
ivoks	i assigned bug to me :)	09:19
siretart	and morning * :)	09:19
dholbach	ivoks: that's no mistake :)	09:19
ivoks	well, won't do that again :)	09:19
ajmitch	dholbach: so you may have noticed that bddebian attacked malone today	09:19
dholbach	i saw it - he's incredible	09:20
ajmitch	and got a few rebuilds up	09:20
ivoks	Universe bugs should be left assigned to the MOTU group, so that followups go to universe-bugs	09:20
ajmitch	ivoks: yes	09:20
ivoks	ok	09:20
siretart	just in case something breaks: I won't be available next week, I'm on holydays with my GF	09:20
ivoks	i know now	09:20
ajmitch	otherwise additional comments don't go to the list	09:20
ajmitch	I had been doing it that I'd assign bugs to myself	09:20
siretart	if something breaks on revu, \sh, sistpoty and slomo have access to tiber, and could possibly fix things..	09:20
ajmitch	but I think the best way is to mark the bug as Accepted, put in a comment	09:20
ivoks	ok	09:21
ajmitch	if you don't mind the traffic on universe-bugs	09:21
ivoks	i don't care	09:21
ajmitch	we can argue about it at the MOTU meeting :)	09:21
ivoks	i'm not on that list :>	09:21
ajmitch	malone has come a long way since we first saw it :)	09:21
ivoks	yeah..	09:21
ivoks	.it's usable	09:21
dholbach	you can subscribe to the digest	09:22
dholbach	:)	09:22
siretart	ivoks: err, I think you forgot to adapt your dput config	09:23
siretart	ivoks: the upload host has changed for revu	09:23
ajmitch	so at the meeting we need an update on transitions, FTBFS, and other general work necessary before breezy release	09:24
ajmitch	5 weeks & counting!	09:24
ivoks	siretart: i know	09:24
ivoks	siretart: i did another upload	09:24
siretart	okay. I got some emails, no problem	09:24
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ivoks	khm...	09:28
ivoks	no sound :)	09:28
ivoks	lol nxesd :)	09:29
Burgundavia	ajmitch, how do these releases keep sneaking up on us	09:33
Lathiat	with great cunning and stealth apparently	09:33
ajmitch	Burgundavia: they hide under the bed	09:33
ajmitch	and jump out when we least expect them	09:33
ajmitch	it seems that UDU was only yesterday	09:34
Burgundavia	grr, I thought I had cleaned under there	09:34
ajmitch	when we had months to get things in order	09:34
jsgotangco	heh	09:34
Burgundavia	I remember not long ago talking about hoary+1, as if is was a long time away	09:34
jsgotangco	some of the things discussed in UDU just went in another route	09:34
Lathiat	maybe you should work on debian ;p	09:35
Lathiat	then you'll have plenty of time :)	09:35
jsgotangco	lol	09:35
ajmitch	Lathiat: good idea, I think I might do that tonight :)	09:35
ajmitch	and ask for a sync tomorrow :)	09:35
Lathiat	heh	09:35
=== Burgundavia figures etch will release when protestors show up outside the release teams door chanting "We want etch"
ivoks	:)	09:37
ajmitch	Burgundavia: late 2007, perhaps?	09:37
jsgotangco	wee im now subscribed to the whole wiki	09:38
ajmitch	maybe we should have a motu betting pool on when etch releases	09:38
jsgotangco	let the spamming begin	09:38
ajmitch	jsgotangco: sick man	09:38
Burgundavia	ajmitch, that might be bad pr	09:38
jsgotangco	LookLikeThis?	09:38
Lathiat	Burgundavia: haha	09:38
ajmitch	Burgundavia: of course :)	09:38
=== Burgundavia misses the daily flood of bugzilla
=== ivoks misses daily flood of ubuntu-users :)
ivoks	or not? :)	09:39
Burgundavia	bugzilla was worse	09:39
jsgotangco	urrkk i'll pass on bugzilla	09:40
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=== ivoks urges MOTUs to review xine-ui and upload it... it's a bugfix
mitsuhiko	hi guys	09:50
mitsuhiko	can anyone explain me, why the font rendering is totaly different to the older versions of ubuntu?	09:50
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crimsun	mitsuhiko: what two versions are you comparing?	10:20
spacey	hoary and breezy if i may guess	10:25
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crimsun	ivoks: looking at 0.99.4 now.	10:36
mitsuhiko	spacey: jep	10:39
mitsuhiko	crimsun: hoary and breezy compared	10:39
crimsun	the hinting seems identical on my laptop	10:39
mitsuhiko	hinting=medium(grayscale) and 96dpi	10:39
mitsuhiko	here on my hoary notebook: http://www.active-4.com/trash/iluvmygnome.png	10:39
mitsuhiko	if I apply mein fontconfig to the breezy machine there is no visible change :(	10:40
niran	mitsuhiko, that happened to me at first too. have you restarted since the upgrade?	10:44
mitsuhiko	niran: jep	10:44
niran	mitsuhiko, try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base	10:46
niran	then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg	10:46
niran	then restart X	10:46
mitsuhiko	ok. i'll try	10:46
mitsuhiko	niran: thx guy	10:49
mitsuhiko	perfect. it works	10:49
niran	you're welcome	10:49
ivoks	crimsun: hi	10:51
ivoks	crimsun: xine-ui?	10:51
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ivoks	art.ubuntu.com :)	10:57
crimsun	ivoks: yes. pbuilding now.	10:59
ivoks	crimsun: why?	11:00
ivoks	crimsun: shouldn't we wait for debian first?	11:00
crimsun	is there a package in incoming?	11:00
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ivoks	?	11:01
crimsun	I don't see a Debian package yet	11:03
ivoks	crimsun: right, so we don't merge	11:03
ivoks	we just do bugfixes	11:03
ivoks	if we do our package, version 0.99.4-0ubuntu1	11:04
ivoks	we will have problems merging debian's 0.99.4-0	11:04
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers \| http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU \| http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo \| REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de \| First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions
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siretart	crimsun: what is your current keyid?	12:31
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ivoks	hm	01:24
ivoks	do i need this?	01:24
ivoks	no..	01:24
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\sh	moins	02:33
dholbach	hey \sh	02:33
\sh	heya dholbach :)	02:34
\sh	u r uploading as hell ,-)	02:34
dholbach	seb is :)	02:34
\sh	in your name? ;)	02:34
dholbach	hehe, no... he's the busy one :)	02:35
\sh	well...most of the uploads for bddebian and sistopy are ok...and gauche is fixed as well	02:37
\sh	and it was a nice feeling to compile and work again on packages ..;)	02:39
dholbach	hehe, i can imagine ;)	02:39
slomo	hi :)	02:40
\sh	hey slomo	02:40
dholbach	hey slomo - got up already? :)	02:41
slomo	dholbach: sure... i'm 2 hours awake already :) and now i'm trying to get faad2 working with the go open videos...	02:42
dholbach	ROCK	02:42
dholbach	super :)	02:42
\sh	grmpf	02:44
\sh	metacity popup crash	02:44
mbreit	good morning all!	02:45
\sh	hey mbreit	02:46
\sh	I think I learn zulu now	02:46
mbreit	and i think i will clean up the unmet deps nobody list now.... and remove all the packages which are already in someone's love-list	02:46
slomo	dholbach: yeah... i have a working local faad2 now :) thanks to the mplayer guys who fixed faad2 ;)	02:50
dholbach	WOW	02:50
slomo	i don't know what their code changes actually do... but it works ;) hmm... i really need to get into dsp and audio compression ;)	02:51
mbreit	yeah.... i can't wait to see the go-open videos with sound ;)	02:51
j^	yeah, go open with mpeg4 and aac	02:52
j^	the power of free and open formats	02:52
slomo	j^: free and open formats? you don't mean aac and mpeg4, do you? ;)	02:54
j^	slomo i am just refering the the joke they make at go-open by using mpeg4 and aac	02:55
slomo	j^: ah ok... i wonder who decided to use these formats...	02:56
j^	slomo im more involved with theora http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/	02:56
slomo	mbreit: do you have the go open videos on your harddisk? i need someone on amd64 to test the changes ;)	02:57
mbreit	i have them on my laptop ;)	02:58
slomo	mbreit: copy one to your desktop ;)	02:58
mbreit	slomo: i will do that when i finished the unmet deps cleanup	02:59
slomo	ok	02:59
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\sh	I'm working also on unmet deps...some things which ftbfs in the past ,-)	03:01
mbreit	\sh: but i hope you don't work on the wiki page!	03:02
\sh	no	03:02
\sh	not now...	03:02
mbreit	okay	03:02
dholbach	bbl	03:04
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mbreit	\sh: i am finished with the unmet deps page, so you can edit it if you want to	03:13
\sh	hehe..	03:13
Lathiat	j^: your repos fixed yet?	03:14
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pef	hi	03:18
j^	Lathiat should be ok now	03:24
Lathiat	remind me of the url ?	03:26
j^	Lathiat http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/	03:26
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bddebian	Heya	03:33
\sh	hey bddebian	03:33
bddebian	Heya \sh, thanks for getting me in trouble.. ;-P	03:34
bddebian	You are supposed to watch out for my dumb ass.. :-)	03:34
\sh	bddebian: no;)	03:35
lifeless	bddebian: you're not in trouble :0	03:35
\sh	bddebian: whats up?	03:35
bddebian	Well apparently pyorbit went into main?	03:35
\sh	??????????????????????	03:36
bddebian	Or maybe it was pysol-sound-server, I don't remember, it was late last night :-(	03:36
\sh	pyorbit yes	03:36
\sh	damn	03:37
\sh	who gave u a hard time?	03:37
crimsun	siretart: 0xC88ABDA3	03:37
\sh	bddebian: well...what can I say...as: Congrats for your first main upload	03:38
\sh	damn...why is it happening to me all the time	03:38
bddebian	\sh: I'd be happy except that it still has unmet deps.. :-( :-)	03:39
\sh	gauche?	03:39
bddebian	\sh: No one has really given me shit yet exept for ajmitch	03:39
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\sh	bddebian: which unmet deps?	03:40
bddebian	\sh: Dunno, that is what ajmitch said. I haven't checked it yet	03:40
\sh	wooot....kwave is compiling	03:40
bddebian	\sh: BTW, gabber just looks like some minor C build issues. I'll take a look if I get sec	03:41
\sh	now I have to merge it from debian to ubuntu grmpf	03:41
bddebian	\sh: Merge what?	03:44
bddebian	kwave?	03:44
\sh	yep...debian version is working	03:44
bddebian	Coolio	03:44
bddebian	We need elmo to get on MOTUToSync :-)	03:46
pef	if a MOTU has free time, maybe can he reviews my debdiffs for gltransition http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/, thanks !	03:47
\sh	ok...last rebuild of kwave with correct patches	03:55
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bddebian	pef: Do you have any idea of how many transitions there still are?	04:04
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\sh	brb	04:06
pef	bddebian: just running again the command provided ?	04:07
bddebian	pef: I suppose. I was just about to try it again	04:09
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bddebian	1) Bugs 2) Transitions 3) UnmetDeps Somone give me a number :-)	04:15
pef	{1,2,3} ;)	04:16
bddebian	Heh, touche :-)	04:17
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bddebian	pef: So why aren't you fixing those "doesn't compile" packages? ;-)	04:31
pef	bddebian: I tried, but not skilled enough :/ and not sure to make clean work	04:32
bddebian	Bah, that doesn't stop me.. ;-)	04:32
bddebian	Damnit, why isn't savant in the archive?? It built on the buildds????	04:33
bddebian	Hah, stellarium has gcc4 issues.. :'-(	04:44
mbreit	bddebian: should be fixed in 0.6.2-3 (some in 0.6.2-2)	04:45
bddebian	mbreit: So it needs a synch?	04:46
mbreit	bddebian: try 0.6.2-3, and if it works, request a sync	04:47
bddebian	Yes Sir ;-)	04:47
bddebian	Is Debian doing the GL/GLU transitions also?	04:48
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pef	bddebian: are my links to debdiffs on the wikipage work for you ? (having read access)	04:52
bddebian	pef: Yep	04:53
pef	ok, thanks	04:54
pef	bddebian: are you working on a package right now ? (gl transition)	04:54
bddebian	pef: I'm looking at stellarium, just for kicks :-)	04:54
pef	bddebian: ok, so I won't work on it ;)	04:56
\sh	ok..kwave uploaded	05:00
bddebian	\sh: rockin'	05:01
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bddebian	OK, stellarium -3 from Debian seems to build fine	05:08
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tseng	dholbach!	05:09
dholbach	re :)	05:10
dholbach	hey tseng :)	05:10
lamont__	bddebian: libdc1394 _does_ exist... it's a _SOURCE_ package.	05:11
lamont__	having said that, it's now in main	05:11
lamont__	FTBFS bugs are filed against the source package, not the binaries.	05:11
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lifeless	heh	05:13
lamont__	lifeless: so "launchpad" works for summoning you, eh?	05:14
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lamont__	depends on how yummy they are.	05:15
bddebian	Heya dholbach	05:15
dholbach	hey bddebian :)	05:15
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bddebian	lamont__: Hmm, weird I couldn't find the binary either. But as usual I am smoking crack	05:18
\sh	so how to handle new upstream versions to universe to fix gcc4 crap?	05:18
\sh	and to get dependent apps running again?	05:18
bddebian	\sh: Upstream being Debian or upstream? :-)	05:19
\sh	debian	05:19
dholbach	if it fixes stuff and has not a BIG BIG changelog with millions of new stuff, they're ok	05:19
dholbach	and if you test-built and test-run it :)	05:19
bddebian	\sh: I have been requesting syncs where the change isn't too big and it builds clean :-)	05:19
bddebian	stellarium is a good example :-)	05:20
\sh	it would be nice, if I could sync only	05:20
lamont__	bddebian: if the package is FTBFS, there might not _be_ a binary....	05:20
ogra	\sh, why cant you ?	05:20
bddebian	lamont__: Aye but I just tried libdc1394-13 and it does install?? Werid.	05:20
lamont__	apt-cache showsrc libdc1394	05:21
bddebian	Uhm, weird even :-)	05:21
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lamont__	Package: libdc1394	05:21
lamont__	Binary: libdc1394-13-dev, libdc1394-13, libdc1394-examples	05:21
\sh	ogra: wrong build-deps	05:21
ogra	oh	05:21
lamont__	admittedly, that's on hoary	05:21
\sh	ogra: it depends on libqt3c102-mt and not on libqt3-mt-dev	05:21
\sh	ogra: it depends on libqt3c102-mt and not on libqt3-mt[-dev]	05:22
\sh	ogra: but package compiled on breezy and works :)	05:22
ogra	\sh, then you have to sync manually i fear...	05:22
\sh	ogra: already done	05:22
ogra	yay	05:22
bddebian	lamont__: Aye, I saw those. Again, I don't know what I was thinking/doing.. SOrry	05:22
\sh	only source upload is missing...and this I fear ;)	05:22
\sh	anyways..source uploading...	05:23
lamont__	bddebian: np	05:23
lamont__	for starters, it's an old bug...	05:24
lamont__	although I haven't looked to see if it's actually fixed in current breezy....	05:24
bd-mud	:-)	05:25
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\sh	I'm tired...looks like i will take a nap before the meeting starts	05:29
bd-mud	Hey, the meeting isn't for 4 hours or so.. :-)	05:29
\sh	bd-mud: sure?	05:30
\sh	argl.	05:31
\sh	kwave on amd64	05:31
\sh	again	05:31
dholbach	\sh: 22 utc	05:31
\sh	20UTC	05:31
\sh	motu is 22utc	05:31
\sh	tomorrow ,-)	05:32
dholbach	ah ok	05:32
dholbach	yes	05:32
dholbach	erm	05:32
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infinito	hi! does anyone know if there's any chance to get a package synced from debian before breezy is released?	05:32
ogra	were is our clalendar genius gone ?	05:32
\sh	damn planet software	05:33
bd-mud	infinito: Depends on the rationale I think	05:33
bd-mud	You guys are confusing me. TB meeting is 20:00UTC today right??	05:33
ogra	dholbach, i loose my confidence in the world if not even you know our dates, dont do that ;)	05:33
infinito	bd-mud: what does that means?	05:34
\sh	ogra: gg	05:34
bd-mud	infinito: I mean it depends on why you need a sync. Is it new functionality or a bug-fix?	05:34
\sh	ogra: berlin is a different TZ then NRW ,-)	05:34
ogra	infinito, it must make sense to sync it, it should fix somezthing serious	05:34
infinito	ogra, bm-mud: it will be new to universe	05:35
ogra	infinito, additionally it shouldnt introduce new breakage	05:35
bd-mud	infinito: Probably not then	05:35
\sh	oh no...no new breakage...I have enough of breakage	05:35
ogra	and you should testbuild and test it extensively before proposing it ;)	05:35
dholbach	ogra: sorry for that	05:35
ogra	dholbach, just kidding ;p	05:35
infinito	ogra, bd-mud: it's been in debian for a while, and on MOTUToSync since eraly august, but still it doesn't get synced...	05:37
ogra	infinito, we'll come to the ToSync page eventually.... if its there already, dont worry	05:38
bd-mud	ogra: We need elmo to get on that soon if possible. It's holding up a lot of my unmetdeps :-)	05:39
infinito	so pkgs on MOTUToSync will enter Breezy?	05:40
ogra	dholbach, do you think thats worth a topic on the TB agenda ? ^^^	05:40
ogra	infinito, after wechecked them	05:40
ogra	infinito, very intrusive syncs that probably brak something wont ahppen	05:41
ogra	break even	05:41
infinito	ogra: our pkg is not intrusive, just a perl app	05:41
dholbach	ogra: not sure, i suggest we should just make sure we request those syncs after we talked about them	05:41
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dholbach	ogra: that page is not a reminder for elmo, but something we can organize ourselves with	05:42
ogra	dholbach, i'd like to have one day where we just run down that list and ar done...	05:42
dholbach	so we don't foget stuff	05:42
bd-mud	Can someone please explain the " "GLU" only transitions list " on MOTUGLUTransitions ???	05:42
bd-mud	dholbach: We can synch from Debian without elmo?	05:43
infinito	i talked with elmo a few weeks ago and he told me exactly that, MOTUToSync is not enough	05:43
ogra	dholbach, so if we had a fixed date to do that together with elmo that would be cool...	05:43
dholbach	bd-mud: no.. he does it semi-automatically - but we can't expect him to visit that site every now and then	05:43
ogra	infinito, nope, it isnt for elmo	05:43
bd-mud	Oh but you can expect us to check unmet deps? ;-P	05:43
dholbach	ogra: it's better to do it every now and then - because - as you heard, it puts other stuff on hold	05:44
ogra	infinito, but its the page MOTU looks at and decides for syncs	05:44
infinito	ogra: ok, i just thought that pkgs there won't get synces before breezy, if they will, im happy :)	05:45
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ogra	infinito, its a page in steady progress :)	05:45
\sh	grmpf	05:45
\sh	what should I do with packages which are install-depending on other packages which are not in the archives anymore	05:46
\sh	it's a mess	05:46
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bd-mud	This looks strange: , mesa-common-dev \| xlibmesa-gl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev \| xlibmesa-glu-dev	05:47
ivoks	funny	05:48
bd-mud	\sh: Welcome to my world :-)	05:48
bd-mud	Hello ivoks	05:48
ivoks	synaptics is reverted	05:48
ivoks	and it works good as never before	05:48
ivoks	now it will be crapy again and we would all use psmouse driver :)	05:49
\sh	bd-mud: hello to your world...but I'm thinking about removing those packages from archive	05:50
\sh	anyways...taking a nap at least one hour...	05:52
\sh	tomorrow I have to be back in my ex-house	05:52
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\sh	cu later guys	05:53
infinito	ogra, bd-mud: thanks for the info and keep the good job!	05:54
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bd-mud	Later \sh	05:54
bd-mud	infinito: I just break stuff :-)	05:54
bd-mud	What do I do about packages build-deping on wxwin2.4-headers?	05:55
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pef	http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/openmsx_0.5.2-4ubuntu-1.debdiff I don't understand why debdiff changes the last changelog entry like this :/	05:56
ivoks	bd-mud: new nick :)	05:56
bd-mud	Yeah, my name is mud lately :-)	05:56
ivoks	bd-mud: now i feel like black sheep :)	06:07
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crimsun	bd-mud: wx2.4-headers	06:20
bd-mud	crimsun: Thank you	06:20
crimsun	it's more correct to have libwxgtk2.4-dev as the build-dep, since it depends on wx2.4-headers	06:21
bd-mud	crimsun: OK, I will fix, thanks again	06:23
pef	bd-mud: apt-get install -d wxwin2.4-headers will show you the way ;)	06:24
bd-mud	Ahh -d, thanks pef	06:24
pef	bd-mud: but certainly no the beautifulest way	06:25
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bd-mud	Damnit, ctsim can't find libXmu :-(	06:37
dholbach	what about adding it to the build depends?	06:38
bd-mud	It's there, just get "Can't find -lXmu"	06:39
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dholbach	what do the build-depends say?	06:40
bd-mud	Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), fftw3-dev, libreadline4-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev \| libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev \| libglu-dev, libwxgtk2.4-dev, ctn-dev, libpng12-dev, libglib1.2-dev, libgtk1.2-dev	06:42
bd-mud	Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)	06:42
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dholbach	what about libxmu-dev?	06:43
dholbach	that's what gives you Xmu goodness	06:43
bd-mud	I'll try it, thx	06:43
dholbach	de rien	06:43
Nafallo	dholbach: just for curiosity, are you german or french? :-=	06:44
Nafallo	:-)	06:44
dholbach	Nafallo: german :)	06:45
j^	what about changing the link on packages.ubuntu.com "Check for Bug Reports about.." to point to launchpad.net for packages in universe?	06:45
dholbach	Nafallo: but i think it's the same as with seb - they tell him he was half-german :)	06:45
Nafallo	dholbach: hehe, oki :-)	06:46
Nafallo	dholbach: then you're half-french then ;-)	06:46
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Nafallo	dholbach: and the two of you makes one german and one french :-)	06:46
dholbach	hehe	06:46
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pef	how longer does it take for a package announced in breezy-changes to be uploaded to the archive ?	07:01
bddebian	pef: I think no more than an hour or so. Although savant built last night and still doesn't show up for me.	07:02
dholbach	wow ... you guys are REALLY doing the Universe dance	07:03
dholbach	WOW	07:03
dholbach	:)	07:03
pef	bddebian: thank you !	07:03
bddebian	dholbach: The Universe dance? :-)	07:04
dholbach	bddebian: absolutely - you're cleaning it up	07:05
dholbach	excellent!	07:05
dholbach	so good to have you all around	07:05
bddebian	Ah, thx	07:05
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pef	who will kill the latest GLTransition package ? :]	07:13
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pef	have to go, bye !	07:27
\sh_away	grmpf	07:33
\sh_away	for amd64 the build define in g++/gcc is ARCH_X86_64?	07:33
\sh_away	re btw ,-)	07:34
Nafallo	\sh: hi! just uploaded new upstream of gajim :-)	07:36
bddebian	Wb \sh. Nice nap? :-)	07:36
Nafallo	\sh: and pinged carlos about adding it to rosetta ;-)	07:37
\sh	Nafallo: kewl	07:37
\sh	Nafallo: rock :)	07:37
slomo	\sh: and i'm using it now too :) on your server with the icq-t ;) do you know whether they work on the non-utf8 problems?	07:37
\sh	slomo: it's the transports :(	07:37
slomo	\sh: yes i know ;) do you know whether the transport people are working on it :)	07:37
\sh	slomo: yes they're working on it :)	07:38
Nafallo	\sh: if I lend you a whip, do you think you could make them work faster? ;-)	07:39
slomo	\sh: wonderfull :) then only pyicq-t and gajim has to mature a bit more and everything would be perfect :)	07:39
\sh	grmpf...ARCH_X86_64 is not correct for amd64	07:39
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=== bddebian needs an amd64 and ppc machines
tseng	i said that too	08:15
tseng	but i gave up	08:15
bddebian	Why?	08:15
tseng	because they arent cheap	08:15
tseng	and i dont really need them for myself	08:15
bddebian	If I get a couple, I'll be glad to give you an account. Though my electric bill is already sky-high with the 9 machines I already have.	08:15
\sh	come on...pegasos is not really expensive	08:15
slomo	tseng: let's write a mail to pegasos to sponsor some machines for us ;)	08:15
tseng	slomo: yes.	08:16
\sh	I tried	08:16
tseng	but i was more interested in amd64	08:16
\sh	but they sponsor gentoo devs :(	08:16
bddebian	lame-ass	08:16
\sh	they send out a lot to them...	08:16
\sh	the last round it was	08:16
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\sh	but i don't think ppc will stay actual when apple is switching completly	08:17
slomo	\sh: don't forget cell which is some kind of ppc ;)	08:17
tseng	cell isnt for pcs	08:17
\sh	slomo: whatever cell is	08:18
tseng	and running linux on consoles is for kids with nothing better to do	08:18
tseng	\sh: 3-core ppc multimedia cpu for the new consoles like xbox	08:18
slomo	tseng: i heard something different... afaik they will use it at least in servers but also planned workstations	08:19
\sh	slomo: for what? windows won't run on it ;)	08:19
slomo	\sh: no idea... for ubuntu maybe ;)	08:20
Lathiat	i wouldnt mind a tri-core cpu :)	08:20
Lathiat	with HT on each core :)	08:20
Lathiat	mayeb two fo them :)	08:20
Lathiat	err, maybe two of them :)	08:20
Amaranth	the powerpc is now in an even smaller niche	08:21
Amaranth	more units, but none of the users care what processor is in their console	08:21
slomo	tseng: and afaik it's not multicore but somewhat more weird ;) one main cpu a bunch of processors similar to dsp	08:21
Amaranth	the cell is a crippled ppc with 8 or so dsp-like units	08:22
Amaranth	the ppc part is just there to drive the other units	08:23
slomo	Amaranth: yes... that's what i meant ;)	08:23
tseng	Lathiat: my main server is a quad xeon with ht	08:24
Lathiat	tseng: mmm	08:25
\sh	guys...what should we do with kwiki and chinput?	08:25
Lathiat	you knjwo what i wreally want	08:25
Lathiat	an 8 way dual core opteron, with 16GB of ram :)	08:25
Amaranth	meh	08:25
tseng	Lathiat: now.. my linux desktop is a p3	08:25
\sh	oh forget chinput	08:25
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tseng	Lathiat: which is right now barely useable while recompressing a livecd	08:25
tseng	Amaranth: yes	08:25
Lathiat	sounds like kde applications... we dont need those :)	08:26
\sh	but kwiki depends on libkwiki-perl which is not in the archives	08:26
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\sh	bddebian: u r good man :)	08:46
bddebian	\sh: ?	08:46
\sh	bddebian: the discussion with elmo was quite good :) stood your man :)	08:46
bddebian	\sh: Yeah but knowing my luck something is going to break and I'm going to get an ass-kicking :-)	08:47
\sh	bddebian: that's developer luck ,-)	08:48
bddebian	Heh	08:48
\sh	but you rely on your knowledge :)	08:48
bddebian	Well that is even scarier ;-)	08:49
\sh	lamont__: ping if packageX-i386 failed to compile..it's given automatically back to the buildds?	08:50
lamont__	\sh: depends	09:00
lamont__	on why it failed	09:00
\sh	dependencies..but all other archs build..and libqt3-mt-dev is not wrong	09:01
\sh	kxdocker	09:01
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\sh	ajmitch: good morning	09:03
ivoks	ajmitch: 'morning	09:03
ajmitch	I wasn't quite planning to sleep that long	09:03
ivoks	are there plans to implement freenx?	09:04
ivoks	if not, i could at least package client	09:04
\sh	i wonder where do i and debian get libkwiki-perl	09:04
ajmitch	ivoks: yes	09:04
ivoks	ajmitch: is there url?	09:04
ivoks	ajmitch: what about xen?	09:05
\sh	hmm...who was working on ghc6?	09:05
ajmitch	ivoks: probably not for breezy	09:05
dholbach	\sh: sistpoty	09:05
ajmitch	\sh: infinity uploaded, has to bootstrap	09:05
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\sh	ajmitch: today?	09:06
ajmitch	no, this was at least a week ago	09:06
ivoks	ajmitch: i know xen will not be implemented, but freenx could get to breezy? didn't we have freeze?	09:06
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bddebian	Heya ajmitch!	09:07
ajmitch	bddebian: not got into trouble yet then? :)	09:07
bddebian	ajmitch: Well I'm getting into new trouble with elmo instead :-)	09:07
bddebian	And I caught shit for the Malone stuff but no one has said anything about the main thing :-)	09:07
\sh	ajmitch: my fault...didn't check if it was main :(	09:08
ajmitch	heh	09:08
\sh	ok..todo: apt-cache showsrc first ,-)	09:08
ajmitch	I see that I'm not needed now, with the number of uploads on breezy-changes today :)	09:08
bddebian	\sh: Well I should have caught it and warned you. :-(	09:08
\sh	ajmitch: fix gch6 ,-) it depends on libgmp3 and not on libgmp3c2	09:08
ajmitch	\sh: I can't, remember	09:08
Lathiat	yeh thats the whole massive list of packages involving haskell	09:09
ajmitch	since I dont' have access to the buildd like infinity has	09:09
\sh	i could but i didn't see it on the buildds	09:09
\sh	i think infinity is sleeping...	09:09
bddebian	Isn't ghc6 still broken?	09:09
ajmitch	that's because he hasn't done the magic bootstrap bits yet	09:09
ajmitch	which he has to do manually	09:09
ivoks	anyone with 5 minutes spare time?	09:10
bddebian	ivoks: I have time but probably no knowledge. :-)	09:10
ivoks	http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=543 - fixes bug, needs review and upload	09:11
ivoks	bddebian: you don't have upload right :)	09:11
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\sh	damnit	09:13
\sh	I need Mithrandir	09:13
ivoks	\sh: hi :)	09:13
\sh	hey ivoks	09:13
\sh	ivoks: u can upload by yourself dude ,-)	09:14
\sh	but I'm quite annoyed	09:14
ivoks	\sh: i can't	09:14
\sh	why not?	09:14
ivoks	i don't have rights... my key isn't in keyring or whitelisted or whatever it should be	09:15
\sh	ivoks: u are approved, aren't you?	09:15
ivoks	approved MOTU, yes	09:16
ivoks	but limited MOTU :)	09:16
ivoks	LP has some problems with sign-only keys, so i have to wait till LP is fixed	09:16
ivoks	then i'll would be able to upload	09:16
\sh	grmpf	09:17
ivoks	i just got email "There are some problems with your key."	09:17
slomo	ivoks: when?	09:17
ivoks	since then no info, notice, nothing... (that was in may/july)	09:17
slomo	ah ok	09:17
\sh	ivoks: speak up at tb...	09:17
\sh	put it on the agenda :)	09:17
ivoks	slomo: shall we?	09:18
\sh	can someone test kwave on amd64? building? i just fixed a bug and the bug occured again...	09:18
\sh	and Mithrandir is not available	09:18
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slomo	ivoks: hmm... let's do it... but you're a better english speaker so it's maybe the best you get it on the agenda and i help you :)	09:19
ajmitch	ogra can do it :)	09:19
ogra	what ?	09:19
ajmitch	\sh> can someone test kwave on amd64? building? i just fixed a bug and the bug occured again...	09:19
ivoks	slomo: ok	09:19
\sh	he will complain about kde stuff ,-)	09:19
ajmitch	sure	09:20
ajmitch	but he'll live ;)	09:20
ogra	\sh, depends how long the download of the build-deps via isdn takes...	09:20
\sh	ogra: argl	09:20
bddebian	heh	09:20
ivoks	slomo: so, this is "let ivoks take the dirt" attitude :)	09:20
ogra	yup	09:20
bddebian	ivoks: Why should you be special? ;-)	09:20
\sh	I'm lost actually	09:21
=== ivoks never learnd english :)
ivoks	learned	09:21
slomo	ivoks: nope... i'll help you, don't worry :) it's just that i'm not that fast writing in english	09:21
slomo	ivoks: what? hum... ok, then it doesn't matter who brings it on the agenda ;)	09:21
ivoks	slomo: don't worry, i'll take care of it	09:22
slomo	ivoks: sorry... i thought you were a native english speaker ;)	09:22
ivoks	that's in half of hour?	09:22
\sh	yep	09:22
bddebian	What exaclty does given_back mean on the buildds?	09:22
tseng	it means it was built again	09:22
tseng	in the same revision	09:22
ivoks	slomo: nope, in croatia croatian is native :)	09:22
bddebian	tseng: Ah, oK, thx	09:23
tseng	bddebian: it probably means that revision never built successfully anywhere due to some problem in another package	09:23
tseng	bddebian: and will happily build now given a second chance	09:23
bddebian	tseng: Coolio. It was only on ia64 anyhow	09:24
slomo	ivoks: hum... ok :)	09:25
bddebian	Any MOTU types looking at the transition pages? Specifically GL/GLU?	09:25
dholbach	bddebian: shall i have a look at the debdiffs?	09:26
dholbach	bddebian: or are they perfectly alright?	09:26
bddebian	dholbach: I always prefer mine be looked over since I suck. But pef's are probably good.	09:27
ivoks	see you at 20:00UTC	09:28
dholbach	bddebian: MAN! the only way you suck is making yourself look bad :) you rock SO hard	09:28
dholbach	opensourcegraph -> openscenegraph ;)	09:29
dholbach	but that wasnt yours	09:30
=== ogra thinks bddebian doesnt suck in making himself look bad, actually he does it good enough to belive in it himself it seems :)
ogra	bddebian, i hope you are on the agenda today ?	09:30
bddebian	ogra: No, I'm hiding :-)	09:31
ogra	boo	09:31
ajmitch	haha	09:31
dholbach	bddebian: would you PLEASE set yourself on the agenda :)	09:31
dholbach	pretty please :)	09:31
bddebian	dholbach: Did I get removed?	09:32
\sh	bddebian: u will be approved...or I will throw away the upload rights.	09:32
dholbach	bddebian: ah no	09:32
bddebian	I scare myself too much :-)	09:32
dholbach	i take care of those uploads	09:32
ogra	why is comadreja still on MaintainerCandidates ?	09:32
dholbach	now i take care of murphy, go out before the meeting	09:33
ajmitch	no idea	09:33
siretart	damn. I nearly forgot the meeting today..	09:33
bddebian	Can someone look at the buildlog for regina-normal for me? I can't make any sense out of it on this Windows machine. :-(	09:33
ajmitch	bddebian: ok	09:34
ogra	bddebian, what has this to do with the platform youre on ?	09:34
bddebian	ogra: Dunno, the output looks jacked wrapped or unwrapped. It's very strange	09:34
ajmitch	After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:	09:35
ajmitch	774libcppunit-dev(inst 1.10.2-3ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 1.10.2-4) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4 ! >= wanted 4:3.4.2-1) libboost-python-dev(inst 1.32.0+1.33.0-cvs20050727-1ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 1.33.0) libmpich1.0-dev(inst 1.2.5.3-5 ! >= wanted 1.2.7-1)	09:35
ajmitch	so the build-deps need tweaked	09:35
bddebian	Damnit. How did it build locally OK then?	09:35
ajmitch	luck	09:35
bddebian	Heh	09:35
ogra	same arch ?	09:36
ajmitch	that was i386	09:36
bddebian	All arches failed and I built it on i386	09:36
bddebian	weird	09:36
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ogra	do you have debian sources in your pbuilder ?	09:36
bddebian	See why I don't want MOTU :-)	09:36
bddebian	ogra: Nope	09:36
ajmitch	maybe you pulled in the build-deps from sid when you tested sid's regina-normal	09:36
bddebian	ajmitch: How would I have done that?	09:37
ajmitch	luck ;)	09:37
bddebian	I just wget the .dsc and .gz files	09:37
ajmitch	ah	09:37
bddebian	Then dpkg-source -x	09:37
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bddebian	Heh	09:37
ajmitch	bind mount is good for that	09:37
Nafallo	\sh: can you figure out why the ppc and ia64 buildds do not want to install python-gnome2-extras?	09:38
bddebian	Damn, elmo is gonna have my hide	09:39
slomo	Nafallo: installable here on ppc ;)	09:40
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Nafallo	slomo: then go the the dc and try ;-)	09:41
slomo	Nafallo: dc?	09:41
Nafallo	slomo: datacenter	09:41
slomo	Nafallo: lol	09:41
\sh	Nafallo: check the archives ,-)	09:42
\sh	I'm fighting with kwave...	09:42
ajmitch	bddebian: why would elmo kill you?	09:42
Nafallo	\sh: done, nothing wrong what I can see :-P	09:42
Nafallo	\sh: context btw ;-): http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gajim/0.8.2-0ubuntu1/gajim_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_20050906-1927-powerpc-failed.gz	09:42
bddebian	ajmitch: Because I have been asking for a ton of syncs and regina-normal has now failed. :-(	09:43
\sh	The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-gnome2-extras-dev: Depends: python-gnome2-extras (= 2.11.4-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed	09:43
\sh	E: Broken packages	09:43
Nafallo	and why not? :-)	09:44
\sh	old package	09:44
Nafallo	old?	09:44
bddebian	Ack, I need a smoke before the meeting	09:44
ajmitch	bddebian: that's no problem	09:44
Nafallo	\sh: why do you say that? :-)	09:45
\sh	Nafallo: or it's not build at all	09:46
Nafallo	\sh: it's in the archive for all three arches.	09:46
\sh	Nafallo: then ask lamont or infinity :)	09:46
\sh	there must be a bug	09:47
Nafallo	lamont: ping :-)	09:47
lamont__	\sh: it either conflicts with something, or was waiting for the gnome-cycling to happen.	09:47
lamont__	since python-gnome2-extras-dev is now installable by itself	09:47
Nafallo	lamont: that means gajim needs give-back on ppc and ia64?	09:48
=== lamont__ gives it back onemore time
Nafallo	lamont: thanx ;-)	09:48
=== \sh is too busy with kwave right now
dholbach	coin is already uploaded	09:49
Nafallo	\sh: k, thanx anyway :-)	09:49
dholbach	coin2 too	09:49
\sh	Nafallo: we need to get those upstream guys to ubuntu ;) they should use bazaar and LP :)=	09:50
\sh	Nafallo: because of this http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/94-Thinking-about-the-future.html	09:50
bddebian	ajmitch: What's no problem?	09:51
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ajmitch	bddebian: elmo won't hunt you down in your sleep just because the sync was botched	09:51
bddebian	:-)	09:51
\sh	bddebian: u r only responsible ;)	09:51
\sh	to get it straight	09:51
bddebian	:-(	09:52
\sh	bddebian: what do u think I'm doing with kwave	09:52
Nafallo	\sh: gajim is on LP already :-)	09:52
\sh	last uploader == donkey kong ,-)	09:52
\sh	Nafallo: yes...I saw it, registered as product..but we don't have any chances (the last time i checked) to resolv the bugs in the products bug tracker	09:53
dholbach	bddebian: it seems that most of the uploads were already handled?	09:53
Nafallo	\sh: true	09:53
\sh	Nafallo: and thats not good	09:54
bddebian	dholbach: Really?	09:54
Nafallo	\sh: I fixed the branding bug without knowing about it, is that good? ;-)	09:54
bddebian	dholbach: HOw about stellarium?	09:54
dholbach	3 package i checked were handled already	09:54
\sh	Nafallo: branding bug? hey I was 1 week away ;)	09:54
bddebian	I just had elmo sync from Debian today for a gcc4 fix, then it needs a GL/GLU transition	09:54
Nafallo	\sh: there was a bug about having human as default theme ;-)	09:54
Nafallo	\sh: I just thought that would be a nice idea before, and today when I wanted to translate it, I found that bug with status fixed ;-)	09:55
\sh	Nafallo: oh...didn't I fixed it in my last upload before i left?	09:55
\sh	Nafallo: it was fixed before I uploaded the patch or something like this	09:56
Nafallo	\sh: don't think so. I added patches/04* for it ;-)	09:56
\sh	ah..i never uploaded ubuntu5 ,-)	09:56
Nafallo	hehe	09:56
Nafallo	\sh: we need bzr for this package dude! ;-)	09:56
dholbach	bddebian: so i take care of yours - pef should check what is done	09:56
ajmitch	bzr rocks :)	09:57
\sh	Nafallo: 04_ubuntu_human_theme.patch it was in my patchwork dir ,-)	09:57
Nafallo	haha	09:57
bddebian	dholbach: OK. I just know he was asking about one this morning.	09:57
Nafallo	it's superceded ;-)	09:57
\sh	yedah	09:57
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bddebian	Heh	09:58
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dholbach	bddebian: stellarium is up	09:59
bddebian	dholbach: Rockin', thank you sir	10:00
dholbach	bddebian: ctsim doesnt apply	10:00
bddebian	:-(	10:00
ajmitch	Lathiat: avahi ftbfs, needs given back due to broken chroot	10:01
bddebian	dholbach: Fuzz, what?	10:02
dholbach	bddebian: i apply it manually	10:02
Lathiat	ajmitch: ah ok	10:03
ajmitch	it was the old W: Couldn't stat source package list http://jackass.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages	10:03
ajmitch	so no build-deps could install	10:03
dholbach	bddebian: ctsim is up too	10:03
bddebian	w00t, thanks again	10:04
dholbach	and please tell pef to check his list - so people don't try to upload stuff that's done :)	10:04
ajmitch	Lathiat: it built fine on other archs	10:04
Lathiat	ajmitch: cool	10:04
Lathiat	good to hear	10:04
Lathiat	havent reid it on ppc	10:04
ajmitch	avahi_0.2-0ubuntu1_20050906-1643-powerpc-successful	10:04
=== lamont__ plans to upload ghc6_6.4-4.1ubuntu1 (xorg changes) in an hour or 3
ajmitch	lamont__: many thanks	10:08
ajmitch	that'll get a large chunk of haskell packages buildable again	10:08
lamont__	yeah	10:08
lamont__	but I'm not going to give those back until after preview, just to keep the buildd's pretty open	10:08
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ajmitch	ok	10:11
bddebian	lamont__: Would you mind checking on tagcoll for me? I.E. is it hung up in a dep-wait or anything?	10:12
lamont__	bddebian: it was d-w libtagcoll1-dev, which isn't in the archive (libtagcoll0-dev is...)	10:16
lamont__	I kicked it on the off chance that it's a stale build-dep	10:16
bddebian	libtagcoll1-dev is one of the binaries it produces	10:16
lamont__	so it's not a separate source package any more?	10:16
bddebian	Not in this version	10:16
lamont__	nice	10:16
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slomo	oh... can someone add me to the "ubuntu development team" in LP? ;)	10:21
ajmitch	slomo: no, none of us can	10:21
slomo	ajmitch: oh ok	10:22
slomo	who can?	10:24
slomo	ah ignore me ;)	10:24
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bddebian	w00t, tagcoll, thanks lamont__	10:28
ivoks	did we have talk about upload? i was off	10:30
siretart	what is me launchpad id? siretart or not?	10:30
slomo	siretart: look at your account details	10:32
slomo	and change them ;) probably siretart-tauware now	10:32
siretart	slomo: Name(Required): siretart	10:32
siretart	slomo: I need to change that?	10:33
siretart	:(	10:33
slomo	no	10:33
slomo	but you can ;)	10:33
siretart	my bigger problem is, that i'm not ubuntite yet according to lp	10:33
slomo	upload a signed CoC ;)	10:34
siretart	ah, signature inactive? wtf?	10:34
siretart	ah, perhaps because not in the ubuntu member team in lp yet	10:41
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ajmitch	Lathiat: welcome to MOTU :)	11:06
Lathiat	thanks :)	11:06
bddebian	Aye	11:06
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\sh	Lathiat & bddebian again: welcome to the team :) to the right side of life ;)	11:08
bddebian	\sh: Heh, thx	11:08
janimo	hmm do your ubuntu.com addresses work?I sent myself mailes 15 minutes ago and still didn't show up	11:08
bddebian	I really do need to change my nick	11:09
janimo	fw to gmail	11:09
\sh	mine is working ;)	11:09
janimo	btw welcome lathiat and bddebian :)	11:09
ajmitch	janimo: works here	11:09
bddebian	janimo: Thx	11:09
=== siretart hugs the newcomers! cheers! :)
=== ajmitch is going to switch his ubuntu uploads to ajmitch@ubuntu.com, debian to ajmitch@debian.org :)
janimo	ajmitch, wanna send me one at jani@u.c ?thanks	11:09
ajmitch	janimo: sent	11:10
Lathiat	hrm do i get @ubuntu.com? ;)	11:10
janimo	ajmitch, it arrived, thanks :)	11:10
\sh	Lathiat: your launchpad-id + @ubuntu.com ,-)	11:11
ajmitch	great	11:11
janimo	it means it does not deliver self-addressed mail?funny	11:11
\sh	Lathiat: when approved as member	11:11
Lathiat	oh sweet	11:11
=== siretart is not ubuntu member :(
Lathiat	siretart: wah, your NOT?	11:11
siretart	according to lp..	11:11
bddebian	No?	11:11
janimo	siretart how come you're still not a member?if you're a motu you should be	11:11
siretart	well, technially of course, but I missed to apply to that team in lp	11:11
ajmitch	siretart: so ask & get that sorted now	11:11
dholbach	hey janimo	11:11
ajmitch	https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev	11:12
siretart	ajmitch: you think I should ask elmo or sabdfl now? - I better wait until after the meeting, no?	11:12
ajmitch	ask now	11:12
ajmitch	before they get onto my stuff	11:12
ivoks	not now	11:12
ivoks	other buiessnes :)	11:12
ajmitch	hm	11:12
siretart	too late ;)	11:12
janimo	hey dholbach	11:15
janimo	congrats for getting out of school :)	11:15
janimo	with a good mark	11:15
dholbach	thank you :)	11:16
dholbach	i'm so happy	11:16
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janimo	dholbach, great now get some sleep for a few days :)	11:19
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ivoks	slomo: !!!!	11:25
crimsun	wait, we have @ubuntu.com e-mails now?	11:32
ivoks	yup	11:32
janimo	crimsun, yup members with valid lp accounts	11:32
dholbach	good night everybody	11:35
ogra	night dholbach	11:35
crimsun	night, daniel, congrats!	11:35
ajmitch	night dholbach	11:35
dholbach	thank you, daniel :)	11:35
=== ajmitch had better get to work ASAP :)
bddebian	Gnight dholbach	11:36
janimo	good night dholbach	11:36
janimo	congrats ajmitch!	11:36
ajmitch	thx	11:37
slomo	gn8 dholbach :)	11:37
mbreit	slomo: i don't think we will get our upload rights anytime soon :(	11:38
ajmitch	mbreit: it will happen..	11:38
Nafallo	baah, slomo has his personal uploader-monkey now :-P	11:38
bddebian	Later gang. Congrats Lathiat, ajmitch, et al	11:39
slomo	Nafallo: sure... but you test everything before upload so i can't get to bed :P	11:39
ajmitch	thanks bddebian, congrats & welcome to you	11:39
bddebian	Thx man	11:39
Nafallo	slomo: hehe ;-)	11:39
Nafallo	slomo: ofcourse, you can't. you haven't got amd64 ;-)	11:40
\sh	Nafallo: u have amd64?	11:41
Lathiat	ajmitch: ;p	11:41
ajmitch	Lathiat: I got home last night, had dinner, fell asleep for 10 hours :)	11:41
Lathiat	ajmitch: tut tut so slack i dont know ;p	11:41
ajmitch	so not much time to review ipac-ng yet	11:41
ajmitch	what I saw looked good, and you're MOTU now ;)	11:41
\sh	I really need some new pair of eyes....	11:42
Nafallo	\sh: have had all the time :-)	11:42
\sh	anyone has a ravel account and want to check a piece of code?	11:42
Nafallo	\sh: http://www.magicalforest.se/darkelf.shtml	11:42
Nafallo	:-)	11:42
ajmitch	Lathiat: well, if you count having a direct patch aginst the source instead of debian/patches	11:42
Lathiat	ajmitch: well	11:42
\sh	Nafallo: apt-get source kwave	11:42
Lathiat	ajmitch: it didnt have an existing patches/	11:42
Lathiat	ajmitch: seems messy to start screwing with all the debian control stuff..	11:43
ajmitch	Lathiat: it is messy	11:43
Lathiat	thats what i thougth anyway, would it be better to add one than to patch directly?	11:43
janimo	good night all	11:43
Nafallo	\sh: and then? :-)	11:43
ajmitch	but it can help the debian maintainer	11:43
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\sh	Nafallo: cd kwave-0.7.3/libkwave/cputest	11:43
\sh	.c	11:43
ajmitch	depends on how much they'll hate you	11:43
\sh	aeh	11:43
\sh	Nafallo: cd kwave-0.7.3/libkwave/	11:43
\sh	vi cputest.c	11:43
\sh	and check the asm crap for amd64	11:43
ajmitch	Lathiat: you re-synced with debian?	11:44
Lathiat	ajmitch: yes, needed to	11:44
\sh	according to upstream and debian it should compile on amd64...but it doesn't work neither on the amd64 buildd nor ravel	11:44
ajmitch	yeah, good	11:44
ajmitch	Lathiat: I'd say put it in dpatch, as dpatch is fairly easy to integrate	11:44
Lathiat	hm ok	11:44
Lathiat	i'll look at that later	11:45
ajmitch	Lathiat: or ask the debian maintainer first?	11:45
=== ajmitch _really_ has to run off to work now
Lathiat	perhaps	11:45
Lathiat	ok	11:45
Lathiat	bye :)	11:45
ajmitch	bbiab :)	11:45
Lathiat	only 5:46 here	11:45
Lathiat	just avoid uni today i think	11:45
Lathiat	altho dont thnk my aunty and nana will be too impressed i avoided the last 2 days as well :)	11:45
Nafallo	\sh: I'll give it to my pbuilder. I don't know asm, but I'll be happy to make changes you want me to do ;-).	11:48
ivoks	bye!	11:48
\sh	Nafallo: well me neither...but there is a #if defined(__x86_64__) inside cputest.c and there the error occures ... and I'm really lost...	11:49
\sh	ia64 works, ppc works, i386 works, but not amd64	11:50
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Nafallo	\sh: hmm, all those mentioned tries to use %0\n\t	11:54
\sh	yes...just like in the 32bit asm section	11:54
Nafallo	\sh: why *q in amd64?	11:57
Nafallo	ah, 64-bit	11:57
\sh	hmmm..there is another approach to fix it...let me see	11:58
\sh	ok...one last cigarette and last build try and then -> bed...todays morning at least I have to go to my office and after this I have to go back to my little one	11:59

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