[12:03] <Nafallo> \sh: no more Barrys? :-)
[12:04] <\sh> I just uploaded scalapack
[12:04] <\sh> now spplus
[12:04] <ajmitch> \sh: no, don't touch spplus
[12:04] <\sh> what's the problem?
[12:04] <ajmitch> I'm still fixing it to use the proper php-config stuff
[12:04] <ajmitch> to get the right phpapi depends
[12:04] <\sh> ok :)
[12:05] <\sh> deleted
[12:05] <ajmitch> except it's not quite cooperating - should be a simple 1-line fix though
[12:05] <\sh> and now t38modem
[12:05] <ajmitch> well, in a morning, bddebian gets more packages uploaded than I do in a month ;)
[12:06] <Nafallo> \sh: and then you could package those common modem-driver-daemon-thingie for amd64 :-P
[12:07] <\sh> ajmitch: is it?
[12:07] <\sh> well it's just a new morning here ,-)
[12:07] <ajmitch> \sh: well, maybe more than a month, I don't upload much ;)
[12:07] <\sh> but some packages didn't build now
[12:07] <\sh> but I can't access the build logs
[12:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:08] <\sh> looks like somethings wrong with the buildds?
[12:08] <ajmitch> maybe
[12:08] <ajmitch> I haven't seen quake2 hit the buildd yet
[12:09] <ajmitch> and I uploaded that a few hours ago
[12:09] <hub> there is a libwxgtk2.5.3, but no dev package :-(
[12:09] <\sh> where?
[12:09] <ajmitch> hub: no, there's no libwxgtk2.5.3
[12:09] <slomo> hub: 2.6
[12:09] <ogra> hub, that should disappear
[12:09] <ajmitch> you may still have it installed on your computer
[12:09] <ajmitch> but it is certainly replaced
[12:10] <\sh> which package?
[12:10] <hub> I just installed it :-/
[12:10] <ogra> we dont ship 2.5.3, only 2.6
[12:10] <hub> I'l remove it
[12:10] <\sh> ok..t38modem uploaded
[12:10] <ogra> then it should get dropped from the archive... i'll ask doko tomorrow if there is any rationale to keep it
[12:11] <hub> hugin seems to have a problem. damn
[12:11] <\sh> there is no 2.5.3 in the archive
[12:11] <\sh> debian has it only
[12:11] <ogra> ah
[12:12] <\sh> hub: which source package
[12:12] <hub> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe libwxgtk2.5.3 2.5.3.2ubuntu4 [3285kB] 
[12:12] <ajmitch> right, hoary...
[12:12] <ajmitch> we're doing breezy here :)
[12:12] <hub> ah yeah
[12:12] <hub> my bad
[12:12] <hub> sorry
[12:12] <\sh> lol
[12:12] <hub> I should remove hoary from the apt source list
[12:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok, what should i do with this ipac-ng stuff?
[12:14] <\sh> does anyone know which email address sistopy is using for his key?
[12:14] <Nafallo> ehm, dvdsubdec?
[12:15] <ajmitch> Lathiat: stare at it in wonder..?
[12:15] <Nafallo> \sh: same as one REVU I would guess?
[12:15] <\sh> daemon@poleboy.com ?
[12:15] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'm guessing you want it uploaded, right?
[12:15] <Nafallo> \sh: try that anyway :-)
[12:15] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh, like, do i have to ask someone else, upload to revu.. etc.
[12:15] <slomo> \sh: probably...  that's his email in revu ;)
[12:15] <ajmitch> Lathiat: generally not, you can stick it up there if you want to
[12:16] <\sh> slomo: yes ;)
[12:16] <Lathiat> i dont want to, more worried if *need* to :)
[12:16] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I don't have time right now to upload
[12:16] <hub> I have to fix the package I have put on REVU then
[12:16] <hub> crap
[12:16] <ajmitch> but I can do so later today
[12:16] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok but do i need to harass someone else to look at it or is it fine?
[12:16] <ajmitch> no, 1 person harassment is enough
[12:17] <Lathiat> ok, thanks
[12:17] <ajmitch> I use ipac-ng & all, but if someone else wants to upload they can
[12:20] <\sh> damn
[12:20] <\sh> missed a s/unstable/breezy/
[12:20] <\sh> in the changelog
[12:20] <\sh> grmpf
[12:21] <Lathiat> heh
[12:21] <Lathiat> i got into the habit of typing -D breezy
[12:21] <\sh> fixed reupload
[12:21] <\sh> hmmm
[12:21] <\sh> I could remove python2.2 from the packages?
[12:21] <\sh> ah no...this is debian stuff...I leave it
[12:22] <Nafallo> ehm
[12:22] <Nafallo> why do I have my frenchcourse in rhythmbox?!
[12:22] <Lathiat> yeh best not to if can, makes merging easier
[12:22] <Lathiat> \sh: thanks for t38modem
[12:23] <Lathiat> Nafallo: haha
[12:23] <ajmitch> Lathiat: debian will be dropping 2.1 & 2.2
[12:23] <ajmitch> since they don't want 5 versions of python in etch
[12:24] <\sh> ajmitch: but one package without an ubuntuX postfix is good for motu at all ,-)
[12:24] <ajmitch> \sh: ?
[12:24] <ogra> ajmitch, s/one/every/ ;)
[12:24] <\sh> ajmitch: I don't want to change the "rebuild only" packages...if 2.2/2.3/2.4 came directly from debian so I don't change it
[12:24] <ajmitch> \sh: alright..
[12:25] <ajmitch> ogra: thanks, I'm caffiene & sleep deprived today ;)
[12:25] <ogra> caffeine !!!
[12:25] <\sh> 4 bottles of coke
[12:25] <ajmitch> ogra: yes, see..
[12:26] <ajmitch> \sh: ah, I had about 1.5L over the course of the night
[12:26] <ajmitch> and another drink on the way to work
[12:26] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh, cool
[12:26] <bddebian> \sh: Are you still breaking my stuff? ;-P
[12:26] <\sh> bddebian: finished
[12:26] <\sh> spplus is ajmitch's ,-)
[12:26] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[12:26] <\sh> pyorbit I fixed ;)
[12:27] <\sh> the rest was good :)
[12:27] <ajmitch> it's much slower having to actually fix packages
[12:27] <bddebian> Hmm, rubyfilter got rejected
[12:27] <\sh> why?
[12:27] <bddebian>  'unstable' :-)
[12:27] <\sh> unstable? ,-)
[12:27] <\sh> lol
[12:28] <\sh> moment
[12:28] <Nafallo> hahah
[12:28] <\sh> here it comes again ,-)
[12:29] <\sh> why the hell is sistopy not whitelisted?
[12:29] <bddebian> He didn't ask? :-)
[12:30] <Lathiat> \sh: hrm half of the menu items for kdevelop segfault
[12:30] <\sh> Lathiat: ???
[12:30] <Nafallo> Lathiat: that's because it want to tell you not to use kde ;-)
[12:31] <Lathiat> haha
[12:31] <Lathiat> the KDE/C++ launches but the assitant and 'kde designer' both give me a kde SEGV box
[12:31] <bddebian> hehe
[12:32] <\sh> kdevelop3?
[12:32] <Lathiat> ya
[12:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: don't worry, you still have 253 other menu items to choose from ;)
[12:32] <Lathiat> heh
[12:33] <bddebian> There are bugs on Malone for kdevelop3
[12:33] <\sh> 4:3.2.2-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:33] <Lathiat> yup
[12:33] <\sh> apt-get install and let me try
[12:34] <ajmitch> \sh: btw sistpoty has been using daemon@poleboy.de
[12:34] <\sh> grmpf...I used the one from the wiki page
[12:35] <ajmitch> yeah, I just looked it up on breezy changes
[12:35] <ajmitch> neither address is whitelisted anyway
[12:35] <\sh> well...Ok...the next packages  ;)
[12:35] <Lathiat> kde seems to be fond of sideways tabs and they are horrid to read
[12:36] <bddebian> \sh: Not pushing, just asking.  Have you got to my non-MOTU list yet?
[12:36] <\sh> no I'm just at the rebuilds
[12:37] <\sh> Lathiat: New Project -> C++ -> KDE -> KDE-Application -> Creating <- works for me
[12:37] <bddebian> OK, thx
[12:37] <Lathiat> \sh: in the menu
[12:37] <Lathiat> as in
[12:37] <Lathiat> kde or gnomes menu
[12:37] <Lathiat> theres like
[12:37] <Lathiat> 6 different icons to launch it
[12:38] <Lathiat> the 'assistant' and 'kde designer' ones cause a segfault, the kde/c++ one works.. didnt try the others
[12:38] <\sh> I ave only one
[12:38] <Lathiat> herm
[12:38] <Lathiat> even in KDE
[12:38] <Lathiat> ive got under 'Development'
[12:39] <Lathiat> X-KDE-KDevelopIDE
[12:39] <Lathiat> with like 6 under it.. and in gnome, they all appear under 'programming'
[12:39] <\sh> ah kdevdesigner is segfaulting
[12:40] <\sh> well sometimes all kde apps are disappearing in gnome panel for me
[12:40] <Lathiat> also am i the only ones whos gamin pretty much never works anymore
[12:40] <Lathiat> \sh: heh yeh, i just had that happen just then
[12:40] <Lathiat> probably a result of gamin being useless
[12:40] <Lathiat> as it also just stopped working
[12:41] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/kdevelop.png
[12:41] <Lathiat> refresh if that 404d
[12:42] <sistpoty> re ;)
[12:42] <\sh> grmpf
[12:42] <\sh> update your wiki page ,-)
[12:42] <\sh> sistpoty:
[12:42] <bddebian> Heh
[12:42] <sistpoty> . \sh do you think i should list rebuilds?
[12:42] <sistpoty> btw.: it's daemon@poleboy.de not .com ;)
[12:42] <\sh> Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.com> != Stefan Potyra <daemon@poleboy.de>
[12:43] <\sh> yes
[12:43] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:43] <\sh> sistpoty: I meant your email address ,-)
[12:43] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:45] <sistpoty> lol, i must have been drunk (or overworked) when i put that email on the wiki ;)
[12:45] <Nafallo> siretart: both? :-)
[12:45] <sistpoty> maybe even this *g*
[12:45] <Nafallo> gaah!
[12:45] <Nafallo> sistpoty: one of you should change name so that TAB works ;-)
[12:46] <bddebian> heh
[12:46] <sistpoty> hehe... (these are our university logins, so i'm quite used to it)
[12:46] <\sh> whois Graeme Kerry
[12:46] <sistpoty> never heard that name before
[12:47] <ajmitch> who? :)
[12:47] <\sh> whois Graeme Kerry
[12:47] <bddebian> ;-P
[12:47] <sistpoty> bddebian++ ;)
[12:48] <\sh> sistpoty: your rebuilds are also ok and uploaded ,-)
[12:48] <sistpoty> i've already seen the -package mails... thx ;)
[12:48] <\sh> but even this email address is not whitelisted poleboy.de
[12:48] <bddebian> rockin'
[12:49] <sistpoty> . \sh: i already wrote elmo 'bout it...
[12:49] <\sh> ah ok...
[12:50] <sistpoty> btw.: sistpoty@jabberme.net
[12:50] <\sh> very good :)
[12:50] <sistpoty> ;)
[12:51] <Nafallo> \sh: do you have something jabberd2 to try out btw?
[12:51] <sistpoty> does anybody use kde/gajim? (and try to run it by alt-f2)?
[12:51] <Nafallo> bddebian: :-)
[12:52] <bmonty> somebody should put a notice in Malone that it is for universe only
[12:52] <whiprush> hey \sh, can you get on jabber for a sec?
[12:52] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye
[12:53] <Nafallo> bmonty: baah, I file bugs for seb128 there. and they get fixed to ;-)
[12:53] <bmonty> if you read the page it says it is for all of Ubuntu, not just universe....what's the history on that?
[12:53] <bddebian> bmonty: Of course a lot of thse bugs are also very old
[12:53] <\sh> Nafallo: I had...but this was a nasty stufff...
[12:53] <bddebian> s/thse/these/
[12:54] <robitaille> bmonty,  sooner than later main bugs will also be in Malone
[12:54] <Nafallo> \sh: we want nasty stuff :-)
[12:54] <Nafallo> \sh: we have n-m in universe ffs ;-)
[12:54] <sistpoty> hm... am i wrong that there are plans to use malone also for main sometime?
[12:54] <sistpoty> ah... thx. robitaille
[12:54] <bmonty> robitaille: ah...in the middle of a transition?
[12:54] <Nafallo> siretart: nope :-)
[12:55] <robitaille> not yet an actual transition, but it is our future.
[12:55] <\sh> ok I'm on
[12:55] <Nafallo> gaah
[12:55] <sistpoty> ^^ that's what i was trying to say ;)
[12:55] <Nafallo> s/siretart/sistpoty/g
[12:55] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:55] <bddebian> robitaille: So I shouldn't be rejecting all of these main bugs?
[12:55] <robitaille> that's why I don't think it is a good idea to actually refilled non-universe bugs from Malone to Bugzilla
[12:55] <bddebian> NOW he tells me.. :-)
[12:55] <robitaille> just assign them to the proper people as needed
[12:56] <bmonty> sorry bddebian :P
[12:56] <sistpoty> yep... sorry ;)
[12:56] <\sh> whiprush: I'm on :)
[12:56] <Nafallo> \sh: ehm, I can't see you :-P
[12:56] <bddebian> shiite
[12:56] <\sh> I know..It's a bug in gajim ...
[12:56] <bddebian> robitaille: How do I know who the proper "people" are?
[12:57] <sistpoty> the strange thing with kde/gajim is if i run it by alt-f2, the run command box won't disappear... but i dunno if this is gajim or kde-related (yet)
[12:57] <Nafallo> \sh: huh? that's I can see everyone but you? ;-)
[12:57] <robitaille> if you know you know...if you don't then leave unassigned. At least that is what  I do
[12:57] <\sh> Nafallo: it's a bug in gajim...I rechecked it with psi and exodus...and it's ok with them
[12:57] <bddebian> robitaille: OK
[12:58] <robitaille> I know that pitti refers to be cc'ed to security bugs (but not assigned)  in Malone
[12:58] <robitaille> for example
[12:58] <robitaille> s/refers/prefers
[12:58] <bddebian> Hmm, another "undocumented" MOTU clause.. ;-)
[12:58] <\sh> and gabber wasn't only a rebuild :)
[12:59] <bddebian> \sh: OK, I'll pull it off the list when I update my stuff, thx again
[01:00] <sistpoty> hehe, and i'll update my list, once the buildd's have finished \sh's upload orgy
[01:03] <\sh> check the buildds ;)
[01:04] <\sh> argl...and some strange buildd bugs *grmpf*
[01:05] <sistpoty> ?
[01:05] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pysol-sound-server/3.00-2ubunut1/pysol-sound-server_3.00-2ubunut1_20050905-2305-i386-failed.gz
[01:06] <bmonty> what is the process to get a newer version of a debian package brought in to universe (i.e. childsplay)?
[01:06] <\sh> syncing
[01:06] <sistpoty> put it on MOTUToSync? (and ping elmo?)
[01:07] <sistpoty> btw.: \sh you did rocking work the we have the revu-server now ;)
[01:08] <\sh> sistpoty: i didn't have anything to do with it :) thank siretart and yourself :)
[01:08] <bmonty> sistpoty: thanks
[01:14] <\sh> sistpoty: and thanks to ubuntu + canonical :)
[01:16] <sistpoty> . \sh full ack!
[01:34] <sistpoty> lamont:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pysol-sound-server/3.00-2ubunut1/pysol-sound-server_3.00-2ubunut1_20050905-2305-i386-failed.gz
[01:34] <sistpoty> lamont: can you make s.th. about this?
[01:34] <lamont> s.th?
[01:35] <sistpoty> looks like a buildd-issue to me... \sh wrote about half an hour ago
[01:35] <lamont> yep
[01:36] <ogra> tseng, where did the n-m upload go ?
[01:36] <tseng> ogra: i dont know
[01:36] <tseng> ogra: NEW?
[01:36] <sistpoty> lamont: thank you
[01:36] <ogra> ouch
[01:36] <lamont> sistpoty: and automatically retried
[01:36] <lamont> or should be
[01:36] <tseng> ogra: i dont think we had the vpn stuff before
[01:36] <sistpoty> ah... ok, didn't know this
[01:36] <tseng> ogra: but my mail server is dead
[01:36] <ogra> what vpn stuff ?
[01:36] <tseng> ogra: network-manager-vpnc
[01:37] <ogra> i thought that was a separate package ?
[01:37] <tseng> is it?
[01:37] <Nafallo> tseng: that's what j^ said anyway
[01:37] <tseng> anyway
[01:37] <tseng> my mail server is dead
[01:37] <tseng> and i wouldnt have gotten mail anyway
[01:37] <tseng> i just signed it
[01:39] <ogra> tseng, we're talking about this one, yes ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[01:42] <sistpoty> ogra: maybe ?upid=541?
[01:42] <ogra> sistpoty, nope
[01:43] <ogra> we talked about n-m ...
[01:43] <sistpoty> ok, i got this wrong... thought you were talking about n-m-vpnc
[01:43] <sistpoty> sorry
[01:44] <ogra> thats what i'm trying to find out ;)
[01:44] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:44] <ogra> *i* talked about n-m
[01:47] <tseng> ogra: can someone tell us what happened?
[01:47] <ogra> tseng, we talked about different packages ?
[01:48] <tseng> ogra: eh, n-m
[01:48] <ogra> hmm...
[01:48] <tseng> ogra: is not on breezy-changes
[01:48] <ogra> nope
[01:48] <tseng> i uploaded it
[01:48] <ogra> hmm
[01:48] <tseng> so now what
[01:48] <ogra> wild elmo poking ? ...
[01:49] <ogra> heh
[01:49] <tseng> it can wait
[01:49] <ogra> yup
[01:49] <\sh> bddebian: pingeling
[01:49] <ogra> its just that jdub runs around and tells people to try out n-m :)
[01:50] <\sh> bddebian: why didn't u put the diff from debian as patch into tapiir?
[01:52] <whiprush> is there a list of packages that still need to move to libcairo2?
[01:52] <tseng> apt-cache rdepends libcairo1
[01:52] <whiprush> ta
[01:56] <\sh> argl
[01:57] <\sh> ugly
[01:57] <\sh> very ugly
[01:57] <\sh>  # Generate the makefile, if it is not there
[01:58] <\sh> in debian/rules clean target
[01:58] <ogra> *shudder*
[01:59] <\sh> yeah
[01:59] <\sh> and I'm to lazy to install all build-deps on my breezy production system
[02:00] <\sh> so I have to fix this
[02:00] <ogra> yup
[02:00] <ogra> isnt it just running configure ?
[02:01] <\sh> yes...but it checks against some -dev packages
[02:01] <\sh> or headers better to say
[02:01] <\sh> which are not on my breezy system, only in pbuilder
[02:01] <\sh> but debuild -S calls debian/rules clean and then
[02:02] <ogra> put it either in a separate configure-stamp target and call that from the build target or put it directly in the build target
[02:03] <\sh> that's what I did now..
[02:03] <\sh> the configure-stamp target was called by debian/rules configure which is called by debian/clean target...ugly as I said.and calling automake magic orgy
[02:03] <ogra> ugh
[02:05] <\sh> fixed
[02:05] <\sh> build uploaded
[02:05] <bddebian> \sh: Huh, sorry?
[02:06] <\sh> bddebian: Andreas Jochens patch for tapiir ;) put that into a patch file in debian/patches
[02:08] <bddebian> \sh: Is that new?  I didn't see a patch on tapiir before??
[02:08] <\sh> http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/tapiir/tapiir-0.7.1-7ubuntu1.debdiff
[02:08] <\sh> it's yours
[02:08] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297967
[02:08] <\sh> u refered in the changelog to it ,-)
[02:10] <bddebian> Oh, tapiir, I think I got that patch from BTS.  What should I have done differently?
[02:11] <\sh> bddebian: take the diff and put it into debian/patches and patch the source from inside the debian/rules and dch -v <newubuntuversion> -D breezy --closes <bts number>
[02:11] <\sh> and then take the debdiff after debuild -S
[02:12] <\sh> and while u are doing the debuild -S you could have seen another nastyness ;)
[02:13] <bddebian> \sh: I keep getting conflicting info on that.  See savant vs quickplot.
[02:13] <ogra> bddebian, doing it in debian/patches is more elegant :)
[02:14] <ogra> indeed it works both ways :)
[02:15] <\sh> the thing is reviewing a debdiff is much more difficult then reviewing as well the patches in separate files
[02:16] <bddebian> OK, I will fix
[02:16] <\sh> well...it's funny when u have a g++ ftbfs in a big sourcecode, and unpack the orig.tar.gz fix the problem somehow, but when u apply the patch inside debian/rules it doesn't apply properly because someone fixed something else in the diff.gz
[02:16] <\sh> the mixing up is the problem
[02:16] <\sh> bddebian: it's fixed ;)
[02:17] <bddebian> Oh, sorry
[02:17] <\sh> bddebian: forget it :)
[02:24] <\sh> no you're not
[02:24] <ogra> nope
[02:25] <ogra> bddebian, your name sticks on 15 uploads today... how could you be lame ?
[02:25] <hub> crap
[02:25] <hub> who package wxgtk?
[02:25] <hub> I have a question about that
[02:26] <ogra> hub, doko ?
[02:26] <hub> doko: you here?
[02:26] <bddebian> ogra: Only after \sh fixed them :-)
[02:26] <ogra> at least he communicates with the debian tem/dev doing it
[02:26] <ogra> s/tem/team
[02:26] <hub> looks like hugin does not like the locale en_CA.UTF-8
[02:27] <hub> but in en_CA it works
[02:27] <hub> and I suspect it is a wx problem
[02:27] <ogra> bddebian, nope... the ones he fixed carry his name ;)
[02:27] <bddebian> Oh, and rebuilds don't count ;-P
[02:27] <ogra> hub, move to gb as a workaround ?
[02:27] <ogra> or us ?
[02:28] <\sh> bddebian: you tested the packages..and this is your work
[02:28] <\sh> bddebian: when I fix something or test something I'm responsible
[02:28] <\sh> bddebian: so all packages you tested, and which have your name you're responsible
[02:29] <\sh> bddebian: but I sign it with my key, until you're a motu...hope that u have upload rights soon
[02:30] <bddebian> I don't think I want them ;-P
[02:30] <\sh> bddebian: u don't have a choice, friend
[02:30] <bddebian> heh
[02:30] <\sh> I'm tired to do all your uploads ,-)
[02:30] <\sh> well..actually it's 2:31 GMT+2 so I know why I'm tired ,-)
[02:31] <slomo> bddebian: when i have them before you you can ping me when you want something uploaded ;)
[02:31] <hub> ogra: en_CA works
[02:31] <hub> ogra: the problem is that I'm packaging the beast:-)
[02:31] <hub> ogra: better move to fr_QC
[02:31] <hub> ;-)
[02:32] <bddebian> slomo: :-)
[02:32] <ogra> hub, depends... for me that wouldnt be a good move, my franch sucks :)
[02:32] <ogra> french even (you see ? )
[02:32] <\sh> hehe
[02:32] <hub> fr_QC does not exist:-)
[02:32] <ogra> heh
[02:32] <\sh> fr_QC == Quebec French? ,-)
[02:33] <bddebian> shit, wiliki still depends gauche-gdbm wtf :-(
[02:33] <robitaille> fr_QC would be a good PR to release just before UBZ
[02:33] <\sh> bddebian: it build here...what is it?
[02:34] <\sh> install-dep or build-dep?
[02:34] <bddebian> \sh: It built successfully but on apt-get install it depends gauche-gdbm and there is no candidate :-(
[02:34] <\sh> so install dep
[02:34] <bddebian> ??
[02:35] <\sh> build-dep == dependency needed for building...and install-dep needed for installing ,-)
[02:36] <\sh> bddebian: so gauche is broke
[02:36] <\sh> n
[02:36] <bddebian> \sh: Aye.  Oh, I though you were saying install the dep. Sorry.
[02:36] <\sh> Package: gauche
[02:36] <\sh> Binary: gauche-doc, gauche, gauche-dev, gauche-gdbm
[02:36] <bddebian> Typically I just say dep with an install-dep and build-dep specifically when it build-deps ;-)
[02:37] <\sh> yes
[02:37] <\sh> gauche is broken
[02:37] <ogra> bah scheme ...
[02:38] <\sh> checking it
[02:38] <sistpoty> i had scheme in my first semester... and teached it as "hiwi" for 3 semesters ;) (but still don't have a clue bout it)
[02:39] <ogra> i had to packag squeak for ubuntu recently...
[02:39] <ogra> no fun...
[02:39] <\sh> first I have to wait for savant
[02:39] <bddebian> :-)
[02:40] <\sh> I WANT AN LINKSYS WRT54G
[02:40] <ogra> i have one... :)
[02:40] <\sh> so I can build on the nc6000 via ssh from the r200
[02:40] <\sh> bah
[02:40] <\sh> next month
[02:41] <\sh> I will try to get the wrt54GS ,-)
[02:41] <bmonty|NickTaken> WRT54Gs are real cheap now :)
[02:41] <\sh> in saturn/mediamarkt in germany they made a special the last month wrt54g for 39,- eur or something
[02:42] <bmonty|NickTaken> have you ever looked at newegg.com?
[02:42] <bmonty|NickTaken> not sure what they would charge to ship to Germany though
[02:42] <\sh> no until last month I never thought about a wifi router
[02:44] <bmonty|NickTaken> if you get the WRT54G check out the openwrt firmware
[02:44] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off to bed now... my gf has birthday tomorrow (actually today) so i unfortunately can't join TBMeeting... cya the day after tomorrow
[02:45] <\sh> cu sistpoty :) and happy birthday to your girlfriend from MOTU :)
[02:45] <Nafallo> \sh++
[02:45] <tseng> \sh+++
[02:45] <\sh> ???
[02:45] <tseng> i dunno
[02:45] <hub> bmonty|NickTaken: I have to install it at some point OpenWRT
[02:46] <sistpoty> hehe, I'll tell her ;)
[02:46] <sistpoty> gn8
[02:46] <bmonty|NickTaken> hub: yeah it has worked really well for me for almost the year I have had the router
[02:47] <hub> what does it provide better?
[02:47] <\sh> linux ,-)
[02:47] <\sh> and 400 packages or more?
[02:48] <bmonty|NickTaken> \sh: what sh said, and you can ditch the crippled interface that linksys has
[02:48] <\sh> well...it supports as well a 1gb SD MMC card ,-)
[02:49] <\sh> you can install apache on it with some hot stuff to share *lol*
[02:49] <hub> \sh: it already runs linux
[02:49] <Nafallo> \sh: porn!
[02:49] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:49] <hub> \sh: well I already have my webserver here... 2 in fact
[02:49] <bddebian> Nice, gauche FTBFSs
[02:49] <\sh> that's why it's not in the archive
[02:50] <bddebian> Yah think? ;-P
[02:50] <\sh> yes
[02:50] <bmonty|NickTaken> hub: one of my favorite features is the ability to ssh to the router and make changes....just like any other linux box
[02:59] <\sh> bddebian: u have patches for gauche?
[03:00] <\sh> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I./../gc/include   -g -O2 -fPIC -fomit-frame-pointer  -c autoloads.c
[03:00] <\sh> autoloads.c: In function 'Scm__InitAutoloads':
[03:00] <\sh> autoloads.c:309: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[03:00] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315069
[03:05] <\sh> bddebian: gauche is fixed ... I'll upload
[03:12] <\sh> hmm...missed another patch *grmpf
[03:15] <Nafallo> hmm, can we resize ext3 in the installer yet? :-)
[03:22] <\sh> ok..now gauche is fixed
[03:23] <Burgundavia> Nafallo, I believe so
[03:23] <Nafallo> that would be rad! then I could add lvm :-)
[03:23] <robitaille> Nafallo,  I resized a ext3 partition with the installer 2 weeks ago
[03:23] <robitaille> i.e, breezy colony 3
[03:23] <Nafallo> robitaille: yay! I'll try that some other day then :-)
[03:24] <\sh> Lathiat: looks like if kdevelop3 needs some love for rebuild ;)
[03:24] <robitaille> it also does ntfs...which is what impressed me :)
[03:25] <Nafallo> screw ntfs, I use ext3 ;-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> fun, meeting at work went moderately OK
[03:30] <ajmitch> contrary to expectations ;)
[03:30] <\sh> *yawn*
[03:32] <hub> ajmitch: did find any breakage in Mono recently
[03:37] <\sh> ok..guys...I'm ready for bed :)
[03:37] <\sh> bddebian: gauche is uploaded and should compile now...
[03:37] <\sh> bddebian: the rest as well...check wiki page
[03:38] <bddebian> \sh: You rock man
[03:38] <\sh> bddebian: for the syncs ping elmo...greetings from motu universe
[03:38] <bddebian> ??
[03:39] <\sh> you had 2 packages to sync from debian :) so..elmo is your man :)
[03:40] <bddebian> Ohh.  Do you know if he prefers e-mail or irc?
[03:40] <\sh> try irc (-devel) first ;)
[03:43] <ajmitch> hub: was that a question or a statement?
[03:43] <hub> ajmitch: question
[03:44] <ajmitch> no, mono is working fine for me
[03:44] <hub> ajmitch: some stuff no longer works, while they did before
[03:44] <\sh> bddebian: tell him what to sync
[03:44] <hub> like autopano-sift
[03:44] <hub> I'll report a bug to them then
[03:44] <\sh> bddebian: just like this: elmo: please sync <package>-<debian-version> from debian unstable please :)
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: after todays lot you can rank with the master MOTUs
[03:45] <bddebian> Yeah right :-)
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: well at least they'll recognise your name at the TB meeting tomorrow
[03:47] <\sh> yeah
[03:47] <bddebian> Hey, what is that supposed to mean?? ;-P
[03:47] <bddebian> Hmm, newer version of qmtest in Debian too
[03:47] <ajmitch> you just need TB approval for MOTU, right?
[03:47] <bddebian> Aye
[03:48] <bddebian> Supposedly I was going to get it last meeting but I was out of town.
[03:48] <ajmitch> so they should see that you've made some contributions
[03:48] <\sh> so u will get it tomorrow ;)
[03:48] <ajmitch> and then the all-singing, all-dancing MOTU troupe can cheer for you
[03:48] <\sh> or today at 20:00 UTC ,-)
[03:49] <\sh> ok..the last package of non-MOTU tested and uploaded
[03:49] <\sh> now I'm done
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[03:49] <bddebian> \sh: You totally ROCK d00d
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why?
[03:50] <slomo> ajmitch: he will get enough cheerleaders :P don't worry ;)
[03:50] <\sh> ok...anything else?
[03:50] <\sh> anymore sponsorship? ,-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: going for main upload
[03:50] <bddebian> \sh: Bug fixing? ;-P
[03:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: Rockin' d00d
[03:50] <ajmitch> to join the illustrious ranks of ogra, dholbach, tseng & \sh ;)
[03:51] <\sh> lol
[03:51] <\sh> the main stuff I uploaded u can count on one hand ,-)
[03:51] <ajmitch> \sh: more than me :)
[03:51] <\sh> ajmitch: and for xterm it was after UVF ,-)
[03:51] <ajmitch> you've probably done 10x more universe uploads, too
[03:51] <ajmitch> heh
[03:52] <\sh> aye...
[03:52] <ajmitch> mdz didn't like it, did he?
[03:53] <\sh> ajmitch: I was ok with daniels...so i didn't think of it...my fault
[03:53] <\sh> ok one more cigarette
[03:53] <ajmitch> lol
[03:53] <bddebian> Heh, aye good idea \sh
[03:53] <ajmitch> so I can last another couple of hours ;)
[03:54] <bddebian> heh
[03:54] <\sh> in 3 hours I have to get up again :) and makeing breakfast for son :)
[03:59] <\sh> gnight guys :)
[03:59] <ajmitch> yeah, I think I managed about 3 hours sleep last night
[03:59] <ajmitch> from about 8pm-11pm, then up until work at 9 :)
[04:00] <\sh> ok..off to bed :) cu during the day :)
[04:00] <bddebian> gnight \sh, thanks again
[04:00] <bmonty> bddebian: are you going to move pyxine to the morgue candidates?
[04:02] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye, I should
[04:02] <bmonty> looks like there are several packages in the NOBODY list that could be moved out also since they are already categorized elsewhere
[04:03] <ajmitch> certainly
[04:03] <ajmitch> a couple of which I'm working on
[04:04] <bddebian> Is there a "quick and dirty" way in Malone to see all bugs assigned to MOTU?
[04:05] <bmonty> can't you tell it to show all bugs assigned to a user?
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course
[04:05] <bddebian> "Assigned to me" but I don't see one for "Assigned to X"
[04:05] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned/?name=motu
[04:06] <ajmitch> go to team MOTU, click on bugs tab
[04:06] <ajmitch> that gets you a summary
[04:06] <ajmitch> the whole list (url i just pasted) is at the bottomt
[04:06] <bddebian> Ah, cool thanks
[04:06] <ajmitch> that's what I've been workgin from :)
[04:06] <ajmitch> you can sort by any of the columns listed there
[04:07] <ajmitch> malone has come a *long* way since I first used it
[04:07] <bddebian> Well I was sorting by asignee and "next"ing until I got to MOTU ;-P
[04:07] <ajmitch> heh
[04:07] <bmonty> that is a long list....
[04:07] <ajmitch> bmonty: yep, get hacking
[04:08] <ajmitch> I tend to assign them to myself if I'm going to work on them
[04:08] <bddebian> Heh
[04:08] <ajmitch> possibly not the best thing, because followups don't go to universe-bugs
[04:08] <bddebian> What do we do about package X missing in Hoary type bugs?
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: can't do a thing
[04:08] <ajmitch> we're certainly not going to push them into hoary-updates this late into breezy :)
[04:09] <bddebian> So reject them, leave them as new, what?
[04:09] <ajmitch> reject
[04:09] <bmonty> ajmitch: can't you just add a comment to say that you are working it?
[04:09] <ajmitch> no point leaving such bugs as new
[04:09] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, I can
[04:09] <ajmitch> which I'll probably do
[04:10] <bmonty> is there a Malone "best practices" page in the wiki?
[04:10] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/assigned/?name=ajmitch
[04:10] <ajmitch> not yet, want to write one?
[04:11] <bmonty> I would, but I doubt I would get it right :)
[04:11] <ajmitch> or we could discuss it at the MOTU meeting
[04:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: got that vegastrike amd64 FTBFS patch? I've been searching for it, and irc logs say he emailed it to you
[04:13] <bddebian> Yeah, the buildds seem to be quite behind.  Many of the packages \sh threw up don't show up yet
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: please, don't reject bazaar bugs!
[04:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Too late
[04:14] <bddebian> I found this out after the fact
[04:14] <ajmitch> bazaar is an canonical product that uses malone
[04:14] <ajmitch> you can't un-reject?
[04:14] <bddebian> Dunno
[04:14] <bddebian> But bazaar is main
[04:14] <ajmitch> doesn't matter
[04:14] <bddebian> I posted them on bugzilla
[04:14] <ajmitch> bazaar as *upstream* is using malone
[04:15] <bddebian> I didn't reject the upstream bugs
[04:15] <ajmitch> the MOTUs aren't the sole user of malone
[04:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: you reassigned them all to MOTU as well?
[04:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes, they were not assigned
[04:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: See why I don't trust myself :-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: *please* don't assign such bugs to MOTU :)
[04:17] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:17] <ajmitch> assigning a bug is usually an indication that we're responsible & willing to fix it
[04:17] <ajmitch> and 'accepted' generally means that someone is working on it as we speak
[04:18] <bddebian> What did I accept?
[04:18] <ajmitch> these things are more accepted policy rather than hard technical reasons
[04:18] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/511
[04:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll add some stuff about this to the MOTU meeting agenda
[04:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks, good idea
[04:19] <ajmitch> so we can sort it out as a group rather than me leading you astray ;)
[04:24] <bmonty> when is the next meet BTW?
[04:24] <ajmitch> wed 7 Sept, 2200UTC
[04:24] <ajmitch> so Real Soon Now
[04:24] <bddebian> TB or MOTU?
[04:24] <bddebian> TB is tomorrow :-)
[04:25] <bddebian> Hmm, I only see buildlog for i386 for wiliki
[04:36] <bmonty> ajmitch: don't you just LOVE organizing meetings!
[04:37] <ajmitch> bmonty: I'm not organising it, just encouraging people to participate ;)
[04:37] <bmonty> any guidance on how to handle unmetdeps bugs in malone?
[04:37] <ajmitch> bmonty: fix them?
[04:37] <ajmitch> if they were fixed by a recent upload, close them with that as a reason
[04:38] <bmonty> heh...no should I just mark it "PendingUpload" and throw the debdiff on the wiki
[04:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: good idea, put the debdiff url in the status field
[04:38] <ajmitch> so the bug & debdiff are in the same place..
[04:38] <ajmitch> using a bug tracker is better than a wiki for this
[04:39] <bmonty> makes sense...I'm going to start an MOTUMaloneUsage wiki page
[04:39] <ajmitch> bmonty: and I've added that as a meeting topic
[04:44] <bmonty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMaloneUsage
[04:46] <ajmitch> yep, added in another paragraph :)
[04:46] <bddebian> bmonty: nice
[04:50] <bmonty> ajmitch: status field or add a comment?
[04:50] <ajmitch> bmonty: well the status field doesn't show until you edit it
[04:50] <ajmitch> which is a pain
[04:50] <bmonty> bddebian: any other nuggets of wisdom to add....you've been working with Malone all day (judging from my inbox)
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: maybe sync requests could be set to PendingUpload
[04:51] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, that is why I think it should be the comment field :)
[04:51] <ajmitch> bmonty: status field is specific to the task, and is more of a scratch area
[04:51] <ajmitch> malone has this bug/task separation
[04:51] <bmonty> ajmitch: maybe it needs a table to define each status for common MOTU tasks
[04:52] <ajmitch> bmonty: good idea
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought about that but since it wasn't truly sitting on the buildd, I wasn't sure if that was valid? :-)
[04:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: pendingupload means there's a fix ready for upload
[04:53] <ajmitch> (at least that's the common usage)
[04:53] <ajmitch> bmonty: 1846 is still New, not Accepted?
[04:54] <ajmitch> bmonty: and for the 10th time, I've got bochs as needing sync on the unmet deps page ;)
[04:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK.  I guess my concern was just seeing if someone would see it. :-)
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's far easier to search for bugs marked as pending upload when a MOTU is bored & has bandwidth to burn
[04:55] <bmonty> 1846 is still in new, and can we put bochs in the needs sync category at the bottom of the page?
[04:55] <bmonty> ajmitch: did you find the problem with sb16ctrl not getting copied?
[04:55] <ajmitch> bmonty: no, but 2.2 works
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, fair enough
[04:56] <ajmitch> even though it breaks UVF< it is justified
[04:57] <bmonty> it builds on my machine but dies when it runs dhinstall...I agree that it is probably easier to sync the package
[05:01] <bmonty> are we changing the bug status to accepted when someone starts working on it?
[05:04] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes, imho
[05:06] <bmonty> check out what I just added
[05:08] <ajmitch> ok
[05:08] <ajmitch> looks good
[05:09] <bmonty> nah, still needs lots of work :)
[05:09] <bmonty> just a prototype
[05:09] <ajmitch> yeah, but it's a good start
[05:09] <ajmitch> gives us something to talk about at the meeting
[05:10] <ajmitch> added to meeting agenda :)
[05:10] <bmonty> meeting is on this chan, right?
[05:12] <bddebian> bmonty: No, #ubuntu-meeting
[05:12] <bmonty> thanks
[05:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you tell me that ezmlm was dropped in Debian?
[05:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: dropped long time ago
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks bro
[05:18] <ajmitch> ezmlm-idx is supposedly the modern replacement, but not in debian
[05:20] <jsgotangco> what the heck i just slept and we now have a ton of gstreamer updates :)
[05:21] <bmonty> ever seen this:  configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:21] <bmonty> this is on a fresh breezy install
[05:21] <bddebian> I saw someone with that in here recently but I don't recall who.
[05:22] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[05:22] <ajmitch> what's up?
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:22] <bmonty> is this a conflict with autoconf and gcc 4.0??
[05:22] <jsgotangco> oh im just updating one box
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i finished colony 4 test last night
[05:23] <jsgotangco> good thing i got to rsync it just before Kamion announced it
[05:23] <ajmitch> obviously wireless is still working nicely, which is great :)
[05:23] <jsgotangco> seems i still got the same problems
[05:24] <jsgotangco> not to mention we actually broke the build (ubuntu-docs, ubuntu-quickguide)
[05:24] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:24] <ajmitch> oops ;)
[05:24] <ajmitch> I saw ogra complainign to jbailey about that
[05:25] <jsgotangco> well its not jbailey's fault either, he was not that familiar with how it was done before (so do i)
[05:25] <jsgotangco> but then i guess he didnt see the seeds
[05:26] <bddebian> aaaccckk, too many wikipages... :-)
[05:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: congratulations, you got a package uploaded to main ;)\
[05:26] <bddebian> I did????
[05:26] <ajmitch> yep
[05:26] <bddebian> Uh oh
[05:27] <bddebian> Did I screw something up again?
[05:27] <ajmitch> pyorbit has binaries in both main & universe
[05:27] <ajmitch> no, you did fine
[05:27] <bddebian> phew
[05:27] <ajmitch> it was just a rebuild
[05:27] <ajmitch> you'd get in trouble if you broke UVF in main before preview freeze
[05:27] <bddebian> Do they actually work? :-)
[05:28] <ajmitch> s/freeze/release/
[05:28] <ajmitch> as it is, you might get yelled at a little
[05:28] <bddebian> Great
[05:28] <ajmitch> since main upload policy at the moment is get approval before uploads
[05:28] <bddebian> Not even an MOTU yet and I'm going to be in trouble.. :'-(
[05:29] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreviewFreeze
[05:29] <ajmitch> act innocent ;)
[05:29] <bddebian> Fuuuck
[05:29] <ajmitch> plead your case before the high court^W^WTechnical Board
[05:30] <bddebian> I am innocent (well stupid anyway)
[05:30] <bmonty> "Acts of God".....oops :)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:30] <ajmitch> heh, it's excusable.. it just happened that you got \sh uploading
[05:30] <ajmitch> who can upload to main
[05:31] <jsgotangco> err why is that both binaries are in 2 repos?
[05:31] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: hm? it got seeded into one, I'd say
[05:31] <ajmitch> I only noticed because my laptop was fetching python2.4-pyorbit
[05:32] <ajmitch> and the laptop has very little from universe on it so far
[05:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: even better, the package is in the desktop seed ;)
[05:33] <bmonty> ajmitch: are you still working on audacity?
[05:33] <ajmitch> bmonty: uh, I still use it :)
[05:33] <ajmitch> I don't have an audacity bug assigned to me
[05:34] <ajmitch> is there something on the wiki that I was meant to take care of?
[05:34] <bmonty> no, I'm working on some of the bugs filed against it
[05:35] <ajmitch> bmonty: ok, so it's still in universe..
[05:35] <bmonty> at least as far as Malone is concerned
[05:36] <ajmitch> ah, that was by my name for unmet deps at 1 point, I see
[05:36] <bmonty> sorry man, I guess I need to be more specific with my questions
[05:38] <bmonty> I'm looking at an audacity bug (#1523) and I noticed you have audacity on unmetdeps...are you done working on the package?
[05:38] <bmonty> are you guys getting highvoltage joining/leaving every 30 seconds?
[05:40] <bddebian> bmonty: Yes, and it happens often :-(
[05:51] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[05:52] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty, good stuff :-)
[05:54] <ajmitch> night bmonty
[05:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: You fixed spplus?
[05:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: nope, I'm still at work
[05:58] <bddebian> Oh.  Is it your intention to fix it?
[05:58] <ajmitch> of course
[05:59] <bddebian> OK :-)
[06:00] <ajmitch> since a rebuild could not cause one of the binaries to be installable
[06:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: That was my fault
[06:00] <ajmitch> I know, but he didn't check :)
[06:00] <ajmitch> so he'll get a fair share of blame :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> hook scripts into dput, tweak them right, and it won't let you upload when you're not meant to :)
[06:04] <bddebian> I thought python-bonobo was fixed?
[06:06] <ajmitch> I don't see a python-bonobo in the archive?
[06:06] <bddebian> Hmm, I didn't look but I thought someone said that.  python-pcgi still deps on it
[06:07] <ajmitch> python-bobo
[06:07] <ajmitch> which is also missing
[06:07] <bddebian> So fix it. ;-P
[06:07] <ajmitch> python-bobo isn't in sarge, etch, or sid
[06:08] <chillywilly> hi
[06:08] <ajmitch> last debian upload was 2001
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:08] <chillywilly> hey
[06:08] <ajmitch> python-pcgi was removed from sid last week
[06:08] <bddebian> Heh, great
[06:08] <ajmitch> last debian upload of it was also 2001
[06:08] <bddebian> Any reason?
[06:08] <bddebian> Ahh, I'll add to morgue candidates then
[06:09] <ajmitch> last upstream release, 1999 ;)
[06:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: so how could python-pcgi install fine for you & make it onto your list?
[06:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: It probably didn't.  There were a couple that I put on there without testing the actual deps.
[06:11] <bddebian> :-(
[06:12] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:12] <ajmitch> don't do that :)
[06:12] <ajmitch> that's why my build & upload of the list wasn't moving fast :)
[06:12] <bddebian> I'm a "work in progress" :-(
[06:13] <ajmitch> haha
[06:15] <bddebian> Hmm, should I ask for a sync of gabber 1.9 from experimental? ;-P
[06:15] <ajmitch> \sh is the jabber expert ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> I wonder why savant isn't in the archive yet???
[06:18] <ajmitch> because it doesn't want to be
[06:19] <bddebian> Bah
[06:20] <ajmitch> uh oh, bddebian getting cornered by the angry italian :)
[06:20] <bddebian> Aye :-(
[06:21] <ajmitch> s/severest/sincerest/
[06:21] <bddebian> No, severest ;-P
[06:22] <bddebian> Holy crap, I think the unmetdep list just doubled... :-(
[06:22] <ajmitch> great!
[06:22] <ajmitch> more fun for us
[06:23] <bddebian> Not for me.  After today I think I'm going to get fired. ;-)
[06:23] <ajmitch> nah
[06:24] <ajmitch> testing re-opening of #318 for you..
[06:24] <bddebian> I'm doing 269
[06:25] <ajmitch> worked for me
[06:25] <ajmitch> now marking as upstream is fun
[06:25] <bddebian> 269 still shows upstream for me
[06:25] <ajmitch> 318 didn't have upstream tag
[06:27] <ajmitch> I'm sure you'll dig yourself out of the hole soon ;)
[06:41] <bddebian> Well I'm going to bed before I get in any more trouble :-)
[06:41] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:41] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:41] <tritium> good night bddebian
[06:41] <ajmitch> thanks for your good work today :)
[06:42] <bddebian> Hehe, yeah.. ;-)
[06:42] <ajmitch> it was good, bar a few minor issues
[06:42] <bddebian> Thx, catch ya tomorrow
[06:42] <bddebian> Later tritium
[08:32] <ivoks> morning
[08:32] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[08:32] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi :)
[08:32] <ivoks> i have a job for you, an easy one :)
[08:32] <ivoks> i fixed right click on xine-ui
[08:33] <ivoks> i need someone to upload it :)
[08:33] <ivoks> and review it first, of course :)
[08:33] <ivoks> or i should just upload to revu?
[09:09] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <Burgundavia> salut dholbach, thanks for the g-s latest crack
[09:11] <dholbach> g-s?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> dholbach, gnome-screesaver
[09:11] <ajmitch> morning dholbach!
[09:11] <dholbach> ahhh ok :)
[09:12] <dholbach> morning andrew, morning corey
[09:12] <ajmitch> how are you today?
[09:12] <dholbach> a bit tired still, but i guess it'll be a charming day :)
[09:12] <dholbach> how are you?
[09:12] <ivoks> hi
[09:13] <ivoks> dholbach: could you check out xine-ui on revu
[09:13] <ivoks> i fixed right click crash
[09:13] <dholbach> ivoks: will do later
[09:13] <ivoks> dholbach: ok
[09:13] <ajmitch> surprisingly good considering how little sleep I had last night ;)
[09:13] <dholbach> ivoks: but i will take care of it
[09:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: how long did you sleep?
[09:13] <ajmitch> from about 8pm-11pm
[09:14] <ajmitch> then MOTUing all the way to work
[09:14] <ivoks> :)
[09:14] <dholbach> ouch :)
[09:14] <Lathiat> heh
[09:15] <ajmitch> a few bugs squashed
[09:15] <ajmitch> a couple of things uploaded
[09:16] <Lathiat> damnit, im getting liek 8 emails to avahi@fd.o about paypal or email every 12 horus
[09:16] <Lathiat> its gone nuts
[09:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: feel free to add some info to MOTUMaloneUsage that bmonty & myself started :)
[09:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: it's also on the meeting agenda
[09:16] <dholbach> oh cool
[09:17] <dholbach> you guys ROCK
[09:17] <ivoks> heh
[09:18] <siretart> morning folks
[09:18] <dholbach> hey ivoks, siretart :)
[09:18] <ivoks> ? :)
[09:18] <dholbach> "full house" this morning
[09:19] <ivoks> hey dholbach didn't see you :)
[09:19] <dholbach> :)
[09:19] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[09:19] <siretart> huhu dholbach, hi ajmitch! :)
[09:19] <ivoks> ok i did one mistake
[09:19] <ivoks> i assigned bug to me :)
[09:19] <siretart> and morning * :)
[09:19] <dholbach> ivoks: that's no mistake :)
[09:19] <ivoks> well, won't do that again :)
[09:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: so you may have noticed that bddebian attacked malone today
[09:20] <dholbach> i saw it - he's incredible
[09:20] <ajmitch> and got a few rebuilds up
[09:20] <ivoks>  Universe bugs should be left assigned to the MOTU group, so that followups go to universe-bugs
[09:20] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes
[09:20] <ivoks> ok
[09:20] <siretart> just in case something breaks: I won't be available next week, I'm on holydays with my GF
[09:20] <ivoks> i know now
[09:20] <ajmitch> otherwise additional comments don't go to the list
[09:20] <ajmitch> I had been doing it that I'd assign bugs to myself
[09:20] <siretart> if something breaks on revu, \sh, sistpoty and slomo have access to tiber, and could possibly fix things..
[09:20] <ajmitch> but I think the best way is to mark the bug as Accepted, put in a comment
[09:21] <ivoks> ok
[09:21] <ajmitch> if you don't mind the traffic on universe-bugs
[09:21] <ivoks> i don't care
[09:21] <ajmitch> we can argue about it at the MOTU meeting :)
[09:21] <ivoks> i'm not on that list :>
[09:21] <ajmitch> malone has come a *long* way since we first saw it :)
[09:21] <ivoks> yeah..
[09:21] <ivoks> .it's usable
[09:22] <dholbach> you can subscribe to the digest
[09:22] <dholbach> :)
[09:23] <siretart> ivoks: err, I think you forgot to adapt your dput config
[09:23] <siretart> ivoks: the upload host has changed for revu
[09:24] <ajmitch> so at the meeting we need an update on transitions, FTBFS, and other general work necessary before breezy release
[09:24] <ajmitch> 5 weeks & counting!
[09:24] <ivoks> siretart: i know
[09:24] <ivoks> siretart: i did another upload
[09:24] <siretart> okay. I got some emails, no problem
[09:28] <ivoks> khm...
[09:28] <ivoks> no sound :)
[09:29] <ivoks> lol nxesd :)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, how do these releases keep sneaking up on us
[09:33] <Lathiat> with great cunning and stealth apparently
[09:33] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: they hide under the bed
[09:33] <ajmitch> and jump out when we least expect them
[09:34] <ajmitch> it seems that UDU was only yesterday
[09:34] <Burgundavia> grr, I thought I had cleaned under there
[09:34] <ajmitch> when we had months to get things in order
[09:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I remember not long ago talking about hoary+1, as if is was a long time away
[09:34] <jsgotangco> some of the things discussed in UDU just went in another route
[09:35] <Lathiat> maybe you should work on debian ;p
[09:35] <Lathiat> then you'll have plenty of time :)
[09:35] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: good idea, I think I might do that tonight :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> and ask for a sync tomorrow :)
[09:35] <Lathiat> heh
[09:37] <ivoks> :)
[09:37] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: late 2007, perhaps?
[09:38] <jsgotangco> wee im now subscribed to the whole wiki
[09:38] <ajmitch> maybe we should have a motu betting pool on when etch releases
[09:38] <jsgotangco> let the spamming begin
[09:38] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: sick man
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, that might be bad pr
[09:38] <jsgotangco> LookLikeThis?
[09:38] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: haha
[09:38] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: of course :)
[09:39] <ivoks> or not? :)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> bugzilla was worse
[09:40] <jsgotangco> urrkk i'll pass on bugzilla
[09:50] <mitsuhiko> hi guys
[09:50] <mitsuhiko> can anyone explain me, why the font rendering is totaly different to the older versions of ubuntu?
[10:20] <crimsun> mitsuhiko: what two versions are you comparing?
[10:25] <spacey> hoary and breezy if i may guess
[10:36] <crimsun> ivoks: looking at 0.99.4 now.
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> spacey: jep
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> crimsun: hoary and breezy compared
[10:39] <crimsun> the hinting seems identical on my laptop
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> hinting=medium(grayscale) and 96dpi
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> here on my hoary notebook: http://www.active-4.com/trash/iluvmygnome.png
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> if I apply mein fontconfig to the breezy machine there is no visible change :(
[10:44] <niran> mitsuhiko, that happened to me at first too. have you restarted since the upgrade?
[10:44] <mitsuhiko> niran: jep
[10:46] <niran> mitsuhiko, try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base
[10:46] <niran> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:46] <niran> then restart X
[10:46] <mitsuhiko> ok. i'll try
[10:49] <mitsuhiko> niran: thx guy
[10:49] <mitsuhiko> perfect. it works
[10:49] <niran> you're welcome
[10:51] <ivoks> crimsun: hi
[10:51] <ivoks> crimsun: xine-ui?
[10:57] <ivoks> art.ubuntu.com :)
[10:59] <crimsun> ivoks: yes. pbuilding now.
[11:00] <ivoks> crimsun: why?
[11:00] <ivoks> crimsun: shouldn't we wait for debian first?
[11:00] <crimsun> is there a package in incoming?
[11:01] <ivoks> ?
[11:03] <crimsun> I don't see a Debian package yet
[11:03] <ivoks> crimsun: right, so we don't merge
[11:03] <ivoks> we just do bugfixes
[11:04] <ivoks> if we do our package, version 0.99.4-0ubuntu1
[11:04] <ivoks> we will have problems merging debian's 0.99.4-0
[12:31] <siretart> crimsun: what is your current keyid?
[01:24] <ivoks> hm
[01:24] <ivoks> do i need this?
[01:24] <ivoks> no..
[02:33] <\sh> moins
[02:33] <dholbach> hey \sh
[02:34] <\sh> heya dholbach  :)
[02:34] <\sh> u r uploading as hell ,-)
[02:34] <dholbach> seb is :)
[02:34] <\sh> in your name? ;)
[02:35] <dholbach> hehe, no... he's the busy one :)
[02:37] <\sh> well...most of the uploads for bddebian and sistopy are ok...and gauche is fixed as well
[02:39] <\sh> and it was a nice feeling to compile and work again on packages ..;)
[02:39] <dholbach> hehe, i can imagine ;)
[02:40] <slomo> hi :)
[02:40] <\sh> hey slomo
[02:41] <dholbach> hey slomo - got up already? :)
[02:42] <slomo> dholbach: sure... i'm 2 hours awake already :) and now i'm trying to get faad2 working with the go open videos...
[02:42] <dholbach> ROCK
[02:42] <dholbach> super :)
[02:44] <\sh> grmpf
[02:44] <\sh> metacity popup crash
[02:45] <mbreit> good morning all!
[02:46] <\sh> hey mbreit
[02:46] <\sh> I think I learn zulu now
[02:46] <mbreit> and i think i will clean up the unmet deps nobody list now.... and remove all the packages which are already in someone's love-list
[02:50] <slomo> dholbach: yeah... i have a working local faad2 now :) thanks to the mplayer guys who fixed faad2 ;)
[02:50] <dholbach> WOW
[02:51] <slomo> i don't know what their code changes actually do... but it works ;) hmm... i really need to get into dsp and audio compression ;)
[02:51] <mbreit> yeah.... i can't wait to see the go-open videos with sound ;)
[02:52] <j^> yeah, go open with mpeg4 and aac
[02:52] <j^> the power of free and open formats
[02:54] <slomo> j^: free and open formats? you don't mean aac and mpeg4, do you? ;)
[02:55] <j^> slomo i am just refering the the joke they make at go-open by using mpeg4 and aac
[02:56] <slomo> j^: ah ok... i wonder who decided to use these formats...
[02:56] <j^> slomo im more involved with theora http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/
[02:57] <slomo> mbreit: do you have the go open videos on your harddisk? i need someone on amd64 to test the changes ;)
[02:58] <mbreit> i have them on my laptop ;)
[02:58] <slomo> mbreit: copy one to your desktop ;)
[02:59] <mbreit> slomo: i will do that when i finished the unmet deps cleanup
[02:59] <slomo> ok
[03:01] <\sh> I'm working also on unmet deps...some things which ftbfs in the past ,-)
[03:02] <mbreit> \sh: but i hope you don't work on the wiki page!
[03:02] <\sh> no
[03:02] <\sh> not now...
[03:02] <mbreit> okay
[03:04] <dholbach> bbl
[03:13] <mbreit> \sh: i am finished with the unmet deps page, so you can edit it if you want to
[03:13] <\sh> hehe..
[03:14] <Lathiat> j^: your repos fixed yet?
[03:18] <pef> hi
[03:24] <j^> Lathiat should be ok now
[03:26] <Lathiat> remind me of the url ?
[03:26] <j^> Lathiat http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya
[03:33] <\sh> hey bddebian
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya \sh, thanks for getting me in trouble.. ;-P
[03:34] <bddebian> You are supposed to watch out for my dumb ass.. :-)
[03:35] <\sh> bddebian: no;)
[03:35] <lifeless> bddebian: you're not in trouble :0
[03:35] <\sh> bddebian: whats up?
[03:35] <bddebian> Well apparently pyorbit went into main?
[03:36] <\sh> ??????????????????????
[03:36] <bddebian> Or maybe it was pysol-sound-server, I don't remember, it was late last night :-(
[03:36] <\sh> pyorbit yes
[03:37] <\sh> damn
[03:37] <\sh> who gave u a hard time?
[03:37] <crimsun> siretart: 0xC88ABDA3
[03:38] <\sh> bddebian: well...what can I say...as: Congrats for your first main upload
[03:38] <\sh> damn...why is it happening to me all the time
[03:39] <bddebian> \sh: I'd be happy except that it still has unmet deps.. :-(  :-)
[03:39] <\sh> gauche?
[03:39] <bddebian> \sh: No one has really given me shit yet exept for ajmitch
[03:40] <\sh> bddebian: which unmet deps?
[03:40] <bddebian> \sh: Dunno, that is what ajmitch said.  I haven't checked it yet
[03:40] <\sh> wooot....kwave is compiling
[03:41] <bddebian> \sh: BTW, gabber just looks like some minor C build issues.  I'll take a look if I get  sec
[03:41] <\sh> now I have to merge it from debian to ubuntu *grmpf*
[03:44] <bddebian> \sh: Merge what?
[03:44] <bddebian> kwave?
[03:44] <\sh> yep...debian version is working
[03:44] <bddebian> Coolio
[03:46] <bddebian> We need elmo to get on MOTUToSync :-)
[03:47] <pef> if a MOTU has free time, maybe can he reviews my debdiffs for gltransition http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/, thanks !
[03:55] <\sh> ok...last rebuild of kwave with correct patches
[04:04] <bddebian> pef: Do you have any idea of how many transitions there still are?
[04:06] <\sh> brb
[04:07] <pef> bddebian: just running again the command provided ?
[04:09] <bddebian> pef: I suppose.  I was just about to try it again
[04:15] <bddebian> 1) Bugs 2) Transitions 3) UnmetDeps  Somone give me a number :-)
[04:16] <pef> {1,2,3} ;)
[04:17] <bddebian> Heh, touche :-)
[04:31] <bddebian> pef: So why aren't you fixing those "doesn't compile" packages? ;-)
[04:32] <pef> bddebian: I tried, but not skilled enough :/ and not sure to make clean work
[04:32] <bddebian> Bah, that doesn't stop me.. ;-)
[04:33] <bddebian> Damnit, why isn't savant in the archive??  It built on the buildds????
[04:44] <bddebian> Hah, stellarium has gcc4 issues.. :'-(
[04:45] <mbreit> bddebian: should be fixed in 0.6.2-3 (some in 0.6.2-2)
[04:46] <bddebian> mbreit: So it needs a synch?
[04:47] <mbreit> bddebian: try 0.6.2-3, and if it works, request a sync
[04:47] <bddebian> Yes Sir ;-)
[04:48] <bddebian> Is Debian doing the GL/GLU transitions also?
[04:52] <pef> bddebian: are my links to debdiffs on the wikipage work for you ? (having read access)
[04:53] <bddebian> pef: Yep
[04:54] <pef> ok, thanks
[04:54] <pef> bddebian: are you working on a package right now ? (gl transition)
[04:54] <bddebian> pef: I'm looking at stellarium, just for kicks :-)
[04:56] <pef> bddebian: ok, so I won't work on it ;)
[05:00] <\sh> ok..kwave uploaded
[05:01] <bddebian> \sh: rockin'
[05:08] <bddebian> OK, stellarium -3 from Debian seems to build fine
[05:09] <tseng> dholbach!
[05:10] <dholbach> re :)
[05:10] <dholbach> hey tseng :)
[05:11] <lamont__> bddebian: libdc1394 _does_ exist... it's a _SOURCE_ package.
[05:11] <lamont__> having said that, it's now in main
[05:11] <lamont__> FTBFS bugs are filed against the source package, not the binaries.
[05:13] <lifeless> heh
[05:14] <lamont__> lifeless: so "launchpad" works for summoning you, eh?
[05:15] <lamont__> depends on how yummy they are.
[05:15] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[05:15] <dholbach> hey bddebian :)
[05:18] <bddebian> lamont__: Hmm, weird I couldn't find the binary either.  But as usual I am smoking crack
[05:18] <\sh> so how to handle new upstream versions to universe to fix gcc4 crap?
[05:18] <\sh> and to get dependent apps running again?
[05:19] <bddebian> \sh: Upstream being Debian or upstream? :-)
[05:19] <\sh> debian
[05:19] <dholbach> if it fixes stuff and has not a BIG BIG changelog with millions of new stuff, they're ok
[05:19] <dholbach> and if you test-built and test-run it :)
[05:19] <bddebian> \sh: I have been requesting syncs where the change isn't too big and it builds clean :-)
[05:20] <bddebian> stellarium is a good example :-)
[05:20] <\sh> it would be nice, if I could sync only
[05:20] <lamont__> bddebian: if the package is FTBFS, there might not _be_ a binary....
[05:20] <ogra> \sh, why cant you ?
[05:20] <bddebian> lamont__: Aye but I just tried libdc1394-13 and it does install??  Werid.
[05:21] <lamont__> apt-cache showsrc libdc1394
[05:21] <bddebian> Uhm, weird even :-)
[05:21] <lamont__> Package: libdc1394
[05:21] <lamont__> Binary: libdc1394-13-dev, libdc1394-13, libdc1394-examples
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: wrong build-deps
[05:21] <ogra> oh
[05:21] <lamont__> admittedly, that's on hoary
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: it depends on libqt3c102-mt and not on libqt3-mt-dev
[05:22] <\sh> ogra: it depends on libqt3c102-mt and not on libqt3-mt[-dev] 
[05:22] <\sh> ogra: but package compiled on breezy and works :)
[05:22] <ogra> \sh, then you have to sync manually i fear...
[05:22] <\sh> ogra: already done
[05:22] <ogra> yay
[05:22] <bddebian> lamont__: Aye, I saw those.  Again, I don't know what I was thinking/doing.. SOrry
[05:22] <\sh> only source upload is missing...and this I fear ;)
[05:23] <\sh> anyways..source uploading...
[05:23] <lamont__> bddebian: np
[05:24] <lamont__> for starters, it's an old bug...
[05:24] <lamont__> although I haven't looked to see if it's actually fixed in current breezy....
[05:25] <bd-mud> :-)
[05:29] <\sh> I'm tired...looks like i will take a nap before the meeting starts
[05:29] <bd-mud> Hey, the meeting isn't for 4 hours or so.. :-)
[05:30] <\sh> bd-mud: sure?
[05:31] <\sh> argl.
[05:31] <\sh> kwave on amd64
[05:31] <\sh> again
[05:31] <dholbach> \sh: 22 utc
[05:31] <\sh> 20UTC
[05:31] <\sh> motu is 22utc
[05:32] <\sh> tomorrow ,-)
[05:32] <dholbach> ah ok
[05:32] <dholbach> yes
[05:32] <dholbach> erm
[05:32] <infinito> hi! does anyone know if there's any chance to get a package synced from debian before breezy is released?
[05:32] <ogra> were is our clalendar genius gone ?
[05:33] <\sh> damn planet software
[05:33] <bd-mud> infinito: Depends on the rationale I think
[05:33] <bd-mud> You guys are confusing me.  TB meeting is 20:00UTC today right??
[05:33] <ogra> dholbach, i loose my confidence in the world if not even you know our dates, dont do that  ;)
[05:34] <infinito> bd-mud: what does that means?
[05:34] <\sh> ogra: *gg*
[05:34] <bd-mud> infinito: I mean it depends on why you need a sync.  Is it new functionality or a bug-fix?
[05:34] <\sh> ogra: berlin is a different TZ then NRW ,-)
[05:34] <ogra> infinito, it must make sense to sync it, it should fix somezthing serious
[05:35] <infinito> ogra, bm-mud: it will be new to universe
[05:35] <ogra> infinito, additionally it shouldnt introduce new breakage
[05:35] <bd-mud> infinito: Probably not then
[05:35] <\sh> oh no...no new breakage...I have enough  of breakage
[05:35] <ogra> and you should testbuild and test it extensively before proposing it ;)
[05:35] <dholbach> ogra: sorry for that
[05:35] <ogra> dholbach, just kidding ;p
[05:37] <infinito> ogra, bd-mud: it's been in debian for a while, and on MOTUToSync since eraly august, but still it doesn't get synced...
[05:38] <ogra> infinito, we'll come to the ToSync page eventually.... if its there already, dont worry
[05:39] <bd-mud> ogra: We need elmo to get on that soon if possible.  It's holding up a lot of my unmetdeps :-)
[05:40] <infinito> so pkgs on MOTUToSync will enter Breezy?
[05:40] <ogra> dholbach, do you think thats worth a topic on the TB agenda ? ^^^
[05:40] <ogra> infinito, after wechecked them
[05:41] <ogra> infinito, very intrusive syncs that probably brak something wont ahppen
[05:41] <ogra> break even
[05:41] <infinito> ogra: our pkg is not intrusive, just a perl app
[05:41] <dholbach> ogra: not sure, i suggest we should just make sure we request those syncs after we talked about them
[05:42] <dholbach> ogra: that page is not a reminder for elmo, but something we can organize ourselves with
[05:42] <ogra> dholbach, i'd like to have one day where we just run down that list and ar done...
[05:42] <dholbach> so we don't foget stuff
[05:42] <bd-mud> Can someone please explain the " "GLU" only transitions list " on MOTUGLUTransitions ???
[05:43] <bd-mud> dholbach: We can synch from Debian without elmo?
[05:43] <infinito> i talked with elmo a few weeks ago and he told me exactly that, MOTUToSync is not enough
[05:43] <ogra> dholbach, so if we had a fixed date to do that together with elmo that would be cool...
[05:43] <dholbach> bd-mud: no.. he does it semi-automatically - but we can't expect him to visit that site every now and then
[05:43] <ogra> infinito, nope, it isnt for elmo
[05:43] <bd-mud> Oh but you can expect us to check unmet deps? ;-P
[05:44] <dholbach> ogra: it's better to do it every now and then - because - as you heard, it puts other stuff on hold
[05:44] <ogra> infinito, but its the page MOTU looks at and decides for syncs
[05:45] <infinito> ogra: ok, i just thought that pkgs there won't get synces before breezy, if they will, im happy :)
[05:45] <ogra> infinito, its a page in steady progress :)
[05:45] <\sh> grmpf
[05:46] <\sh> what should I do with packages which are install-depending on other packages which are not in the archives anymore
[05:46] <\sh> it's a mess
[05:47] <bd-mud> This looks strange: , mesa-common-dev | xlibmesa-gl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | xlibmesa-glu-dev
[05:48] <ivoks> funny
[05:48] <bd-mud> \sh: Welcome to my world :-)
[05:48] <bd-mud> Hello ivoks
[05:48] <ivoks> synaptics is reverted
[05:48] <ivoks> and it works good as never before
[05:49] <ivoks> now it will be crapy again and we would all use psmouse driver :)
[05:50] <\sh> bd-mud: hello to your world...but I'm thinking about removing those packages from archive
[05:52] <\sh> anyways...taking a nap at least one hour...
[05:52] <\sh> tomorrow I have to be back in my ex-house
[05:53] <\sh> cu later guys
[05:54] <infinito> ogra, bd-mud: thanks for the info and keep the good job!
[05:54] <bd-mud> Later \sh
[05:54] <bd-mud> infinito: I just break stuff :-)
[05:55] <bd-mud> What do I do about packages build-deping on wxwin2.4-headers?
[05:56] <pef> http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/openmsx_0.5.2-4ubuntu-1.debdiff I don't understand why debdiff changes the last changelog entry like this :/
[05:56] <ivoks> bd-mud: new nick :)
[05:56] <bd-mud> Yeah, my name is mud lately :-)
[06:07] <ivoks> bd-mud: now i feel like black sheep :)
[06:20] <crimsun> bd-mud: wx2.4-headers
[06:20] <bd-mud> crimsun: Thank you
[06:21] <crimsun> it's more correct to have libwxgtk2.4-dev as the build-dep, since it depends on wx2.4-headers
[06:23] <bd-mud> crimsun: OK, I will fix, thanks again
[06:24] <pef> bd-mud: apt-get install -d wxwin2.4-headers will show you the way ;)
[06:24] <bd-mud> Ahh -d, thanks pef
[06:25] <pef> bd-mud: but certainly no the beautifulest way
[06:37] <bd-mud> Damnit, ctsim can't find libXmu :-(
[06:38] <dholbach> what about adding it to the build depends?
[06:39] <bd-mud> It's there, just get "Can't find -lXmu"
[06:40] <dholbach> what do the build-depends say?
[06:42] <bd-mud> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), fftw3-dev, libreadline4-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libwxgtk2.4-dev, ctn-dev, libpng12-dev, libglib1.2-dev, libgtk1.2-dev
[06:42] <bd-mud> Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)
[06:43] <dholbach> what about libxmu-dev?
[06:43] <dholbach> that's what gives you Xmu goodness
[06:43] <bd-mud> I'll try it, thx
[06:43] <dholbach> de rien
[06:44] <Nafallo> dholbach: just for curiosity, are you german or french? :-=
[06:44] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:45] <dholbach> Nafallo: german :)
[06:45] <j^> what about changing the link on packages.ubuntu.com "Check for Bug Reports about.." to point to launchpad.net for packages in universe?
[06:45] <dholbach> Nafallo: but i think it's the same as with seb - they tell him he was half-german :)
[06:46] <Nafallo> dholbach: hehe, oki :-)
[06:46] <Nafallo> dholbach: then you're half-french then ;-)
[06:46] <Nafallo> dholbach: and the two of you makes one german and one french :-)
[06:46] <dholbach> hehe
[07:01] <pef> how longer does it take for a package announced in breezy-changes to be uploaded to the archive ?
[07:02] <bddebian> pef: I think no more than an hour or so.  Although savant built last night and still doesn't show up for me.
[07:03] <dholbach> wow ... you guys are REALLY doing the Universe dance
[07:03] <dholbach> WOW
[07:03] <dholbach> :)
[07:03] <pef> bddebian: thank you !
[07:04] <bddebian> dholbach: The Universe dance? :-)
[07:05] <dholbach> bddebian: absolutely - you're cleaning it up
[07:05] <dholbach> excellent!
[07:05] <dholbach> so good to have you all around
[07:05] <bddebian> Ah, thx
[07:13] <pef> who will kill the latest GLTransition package ? :] 
[07:27] <pef> have to go, bye !
[07:33] <\sh_away> grmpf
[07:33] <\sh_away> for amd64 the build define in g++/gcc is ARCH_X86_64?
[07:34] <\sh_away> re btw ,-)
[07:36] <Nafallo> \sh: hi! just uploaded new upstream of gajim :-)
[07:36] <bddebian> Wb \sh.  Nice nap? :-)
[07:37] <Nafallo> \sh: and pinged carlos about adding it to rosetta ;-)
[07:37] <\sh> Nafallo: kewl
[07:37] <\sh> Nafallo: rock :)
[07:37] <slomo> \sh: and i'm using it now too :) on your server with the icq-t ;) do you know whether they work on the non-utf8 problems?
[07:37] <\sh> slomo: it's the transports :(
[07:37] <slomo> \sh: yes i know ;) do you know whether the transport people are working on it :)
[07:38] <\sh> slomo: yes they're working on it :)
[07:39] <Nafallo> \sh: if I lend you a whip, do you think you could make them work faster? ;-)
[07:39] <slomo> \sh: wonderfull :) then only pyicq-t and gajim has to mature a bit more and everything would be perfect :)
[07:39] <\sh> grmpf...ARCH_X86_64 is not correct for amd64
[08:15] <tseng> i said that too
[08:15] <tseng> but i gave up
[08:15] <bddebian> Why?
[08:15] <tseng> because they arent cheap
[08:15] <tseng> and i dont really need them for myself
[08:15] <bddebian> If I get a couple, I'll be glad to give you an account.  Though my electric bill is already sky-high with the 9 machines I already have.
[08:15] <\sh> come on...pegasos is not really expensive
[08:15] <slomo> tseng: let's write a mail to pegasos to sponsor some machines for us ;)
[08:16] <tseng> slomo: yes.
[08:16] <\sh> I tried
[08:16] <tseng> but i was more interested in amd64
[08:16] <\sh> but they sponsor gentoo devs :(
[08:16] <bddebian> lame-ass
[08:16] <\sh> they send out a lot to them...
[08:16] <\sh> the last round it was
[08:17] <\sh> but i don't think ppc will stay actual when apple is switching completly
[08:17] <slomo> \sh: don't forget cell which is some kind of ppc ;)
[08:17] <tseng> cell isnt for pcs
[08:18] <\sh> slomo: whatever cell is
[08:18] <tseng> and running linux on consoles is for kids with nothing better to do
[08:18] <tseng> \sh: 3-core ppc multimedia cpu for the new consoles like xbox
[08:19] <slomo> tseng: i heard something different... afaik they will use it at least in servers but also planned workstations
[08:19] <\sh> slomo: for what? windows won't run on it ;)
[08:20] <slomo> \sh: no idea... for ubuntu maybe ;)
[08:20] <Lathiat> i wouldnt mind a tri-core cpu :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> with HT on each core :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> mayeb two fo them :)
[08:20] <Lathiat> err, maybe two of them :)
[08:21] <Amaranth> the powerpc is now in an even smaller niche
[08:21] <Amaranth> more units, but none of the users care what processor is in their console
[08:21] <slomo> tseng: and afaik it's not multicore but somewhat more weird ;) one main cpu a bunch of processors similar to dsp
[08:22] <Amaranth> the cell is a crippled ppc with 8 or so dsp-like units
[08:23] <Amaranth> the ppc part is just there to drive the other units
[08:23] <slomo> Amaranth: yes... that's what i meant ;)
[08:24] <tseng> Lathiat: my main server is a quad xeon with ht
[08:25] <Lathiat> tseng: mmm
[08:25] <\sh> guys...what should we do with kwiki and chinput?
[08:25] <Lathiat> you knjwo what i wreally want
[08:25] <Lathiat> an 8 way dual core opteron, with 16GB of ram :)
[08:25] <Amaranth> meh
[08:25] <tseng> Lathiat: now.. my linux desktop is a p3
[08:25] <\sh> oh forget chinput
[08:25] <tseng> Lathiat: which is right now barely useable while recompressing a livecd
[08:25] <tseng> Amaranth: yes
[08:26] <Lathiat> sounds like kde applications... we dont need those :)
[08:26] <\sh> but kwiki depends on libkwiki-perl which is not in the archives
[08:46] <\sh> bddebian: u r good man :)
[08:46] <bddebian> \sh: ?
[08:46] <\sh> bddebian: the discussion with elmo was quite good :) stood your man :)
[08:47] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah but knowing my luck something is going to break and I'm going to get an ass-kicking :-)
[08:48] <\sh> bddebian: that's developer luck ,-)
[08:48] <bddebian> Heh
[08:48] <\sh> but you rely on your knowledge :)
[08:49] <bddebian> Well that is even scarier ;-)
[08:50] <\sh> lamont__: ping if packageX-i386 failed to compile..it's given automatically back to the buildds?
[09:00] <lamont__> \sh: depends
[09:00] <lamont__> on why it failed
[09:01] <\sh> dependencies..but all other archs build..and libqt3-mt-dev is not wrong
[09:01] <\sh> kxdocker
[09:03] <\sh> ajmitch: good morning
[09:03] <ivoks> ajmitch: 'morning
[09:03] <ajmitch> I wasn't quite planning to sleep that long
[09:04] <ivoks> are there plans to implement freenx?
[09:04] <ivoks> if not, i could at least package client
[09:04] <\sh> i wonder where do i and debian get libkwiki-perl
[09:04] <ajmitch> ivoks: yes
[09:04] <ivoks> ajmitch: is there url?
[09:05] <ivoks> ajmitch: what about xen?
[09:05] <\sh> hmm...who was working on ghc6?
[09:05] <ajmitch> ivoks: probably not for breezy
[09:05] <dholbach> \sh: sistpoty
[09:05] <ajmitch> \sh: infinity uploaded, has to bootstrap
[09:06] <\sh> ajmitch: today?
[09:06] <ajmitch> no, this was at least a week ago
[09:06] <ivoks> ajmitch: i know xen will not be implemented, but freenx could get to breezy? didn't we have freeze?
[09:07] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch!
[09:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: not got into trouble yet then? :)
[09:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I'm getting into new trouble with elmo instead :-)
[09:07] <bddebian> And I caught shit for the Malone stuff but no one has said anything about the main thing :-)
[09:08] <\sh> ajmitch: my fault...didn't check if it was main :(
[09:08] <ajmitch> heh
[09:08] <\sh> ok..todo: apt-cache showsrc first ,-)
[09:08] <ajmitch> I see that I'm not needed now, with the number of uploads on breezy-changes today :)
[09:08] <bddebian> \sh: Well I should have caught it and warned you. :-(
[09:08] <\sh> ajmitch: fix gch6 ,-) it depends on libgmp3 and not on libgmp3c2
[09:08] <ajmitch> \sh: I can't, remember
[09:09] <Lathiat> yeh thats the whole massive list of packages involving haskell
[09:09] <ajmitch> since I dont' have access to the buildd like infinity has
[09:09] <\sh> i could but i didn't see it on the buildds
[09:09] <\sh> i think infinity is sleeping...
[09:09] <bddebian> Isn't ghc6 still broken?
[09:09] <ajmitch> that's because he hasn't done the magic bootstrap bits yet
[09:09] <ajmitch> which he has to do manually
[09:10] <ivoks> anyone with 5 minutes spare time?
[09:10] <bddebian> ivoks: I have time but probably no knowledge. :-)
[09:11] <ivoks> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=543 - fixes bug, needs review and upload
[09:11] <ivoks> bddebian: you don't have upload right :)
[09:13] <\sh> damnit
[09:13] <\sh> I need Mithrandir
[09:13] <ivoks> \sh: hi :)
[09:13] <\sh> hey ivoks
[09:14] <\sh> ivoks: u can upload by yourself dude ,-)
[09:14] <\sh> but I'm quite annoyed
[09:14] <ivoks> \sh: i can't
[09:14] <\sh> why not?
[09:15] <ivoks> i don't have rights... my key isn't in keyring or whitelisted or whatever it should be
[09:15] <\sh> ivoks: u are approved, aren't you?
[09:16] <ivoks> approved MOTU, yes
[09:16] <ivoks> but limited MOTU :)
[09:16] <ivoks> LP has some problems with sign-only keys, so i have to wait till LP is fixed
[09:16] <ivoks> then i'll would be able to upload
[09:17] <\sh> grmpf
[09:17] <ivoks> i just got email "There are some problems with your key."
[09:17] <slomo> ivoks: when?
[09:17] <ivoks> since then no info, notice, nothing... (that was in may/july)
[09:17] <slomo> ah ok
[09:17] <\sh> ivoks: speak up at tb...
[09:17] <\sh> put it on the agenda :)
[09:18] <ivoks> slomo: shall we?
[09:18] <\sh> can someone test kwave on amd64? building? i just fixed a bug and the bug occured again...
[09:18] <\sh> and Mithrandir is not available
[09:19] <slomo> ivoks: hmm... let's do it... but you're a better english speaker so it's maybe the best you get it on the agenda and i help you :)
[09:19] <ajmitch> ogra can do it :)
[09:19] <ogra> what ?
[09:19] <ajmitch>  \sh> can someone test kwave on amd64? building? i just fixed a bug and the bug occured again...
[09:19] <ivoks> slomo: ok
[09:19] <\sh> he will complain about kde stuff ,-)
[09:20] <ajmitch> sure
[09:20] <ajmitch> but he'll live ;)
[09:20] <ogra> \sh, depends how long the download of the build-deps via isdn takes...
[09:20] <\sh> ogra: argl
[09:20] <bddebian> heh
[09:20] <ivoks> slomo: so, this is "let ivoks take the dirt" attitude :)
[09:20] <ogra> yup
[09:20] <bddebian> ivoks: Why should you be special? ;-)
[09:21] <\sh> I'm lost actually
[09:21] <ivoks> learned
[09:21] <slomo> ivoks: nope... i'll help you, don't worry :) it's just that i'm not that fast writing in english
[09:21] <slomo> ivoks: what? hum... ok, then it doesn't matter who brings it on the agenda ;)
[09:22] <ivoks> slomo: don't worry, i'll take care of it
[09:22] <slomo> ivoks: sorry... i thought you were a native english speaker ;)
[09:22] <ivoks> that's in half of hour?
[09:22] <\sh> yep
[09:22] <bddebian> What exaclty does given_back mean on the buildds?
[09:22] <tseng> it means it was built again
[09:22] <tseng> in the same revision
[09:22] <ivoks> slomo: nope, in croatia croatian is native :)
[09:23] <bddebian> tseng: Ah, oK, thx
[09:23] <tseng> bddebian: it probably means that revision never built successfully anywhere due to some problem in another package
[09:23] <tseng> bddebian: and will happily build now given a second chance
[09:24] <bddebian> tseng: Coolio. It was only on ia64 anyhow
[09:25] <slomo> ivoks: hum... ok :)
[09:25] <bddebian> Any MOTU types looking at the transition pages?  Specifically GL/GLU?
[09:26] <dholbach> bddebian: shall i have a look at the debdiffs?
[09:26] <dholbach> bddebian: or are they perfectly alright?
[09:27] <bddebian> dholbach: I always prefer mine be looked over since I suck.  But pef's are probably good.
[09:28] <ivoks> see you at 20:00UTC
[09:28] <dholbach> bddebian: MAN! the only way you suck is making yourself look bad :)  you rock SO hard
[09:29] <dholbach> opensourcegraph -> openscenegraph ;)
[09:30] <dholbach> but that wasnt yours
[09:30] <ogra> bddebian, i hope you are on the agenda today ?
[09:31] <bddebian> ogra: No, I'm hiding :-)
[09:31] <ogra> boo
[09:31] <ajmitch> haha
[09:31] <dholbach> bddebian: would you PLEASE set yourself on the agenda :)
[09:31] <dholbach> pretty please :)
[09:32] <bddebian> dholbach: Did I get removed?
[09:32] <\sh> bddebian: u will be approved...or I will throw away the upload rights.
[09:32] <dholbach> bddebian: ah no
[09:32] <bddebian> I scare myself too much :-)
[09:32] <dholbach> i take care of those uploads
[09:32] <ogra> why is comadreja still on MaintainerCandidates ?
[09:33] <dholbach> now i take care of murphy, go out before the meeting
[09:33] <ajmitch> no idea
[09:33] <siretart> damn. I nearly forgot the meeting today..
[09:33] <bddebian> Can someone look at the buildlog for regina-normal for me?  I can't make any sense out of it on this Windows machine. :-(
[09:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok
[09:34] <ogra> bddebian, what has this to do with the platform youre on ?
[09:34] <bddebian> ogra: Dunno, the output looks jacked wrapped or unwrapped.  It's very strange
[09:35] <ajmitch> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[09:35] <ajmitch> 774	libcppunit-dev(inst 1.10.2-3ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 1.10.2-4) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4 ! >= wanted 4:3.4.2-1) libboost-python-dev(inst 1.32.0+1.33.0-cvs20050727-1ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 1.33.0) libmpich1.0-dev(inst 1.2.5.3-5 ! >= wanted 1.2.7-1)
[09:35] <ajmitch> so the build-deps need tweaked
[09:35] <bddebian> Damnit.  How did it build locally OK then?
[09:35] <ajmitch> luck
[09:35] <bddebian> Heh
[09:36] <ogra> same arch ?
[09:36] <ajmitch> that was i386
[09:36] <bddebian> All arches failed and I built it on i386
[09:36] <bddebian> weird
[09:36] <ogra> do you have debian sources in your pbuilder ?
[09:36] <bddebian> See why I don't want MOTU :-)
[09:36] <bddebian> ogra: Nope
[09:36] <ajmitch> maybe you pulled in the build-deps from sid when you tested sid's regina-normal
[09:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: How would I have done that?
[09:37] <ajmitch> luck ;)
[09:37] <bddebian> I just wget the .dsc and .gz files
[09:37] <ajmitch> ah
[09:37] <bddebian> Then dpkg-source -x
[09:37] <bddebian> Heh
[09:37] <ajmitch> bind mount is good for that
[09:38] <Nafallo> \sh: can you figure out why the ppc and ia64 buildds do not want to install python-gnome2-extras?
[09:39] <bddebian> Damn, elmo is gonna have my hide
[09:40] <slomo> Nafallo: installable here on ppc ;)
[09:41] <Nafallo> slomo: then go the the dc and try ;-)
[09:41] <slomo> Nafallo: dc?
[09:41] <Nafallo> slomo: datacenter
[09:41] <slomo> Nafallo: lol
[09:42] <\sh> Nafallo: check the archives ,-)
[09:42] <\sh> I'm fighting with kwave...
[09:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: why would elmo kill you?
[09:42] <Nafallo> \sh: done, nothing wrong what I can see :-P
[09:42] <Nafallo> \sh: context btw ;-): http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gajim/0.8.2-0ubuntu1/gajim_0.8.2-0ubuntu1_20050906-1927-powerpc-failed.gz
[09:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I have been asking for a ton of syncs and regina-normal has now failed. :-(
[09:43] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-gnome2-extras-dev: Depends: python-gnome2-extras (= 2.11.4-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[09:43] <\sh> E: Broken packages
[09:44] <Nafallo> and why not? :-)
[09:44] <\sh> old package
[09:44] <Nafallo> old?
[09:44] <bddebian> Ack, I need a smoke before the meeting
[09:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's no problem
[09:45] <Nafallo> \sh: why do you say that? :-)
[09:46] <\sh> Nafallo: or it's not build at all
[09:46] <Nafallo> \sh: it's in the archive for all three arches.
[09:46] <\sh> Nafallo: then ask lamont or infinity :)
[09:47] <\sh> there must be a bug
[09:47] <Nafallo> lamont: ping :-)
[09:47] <lamont__> \sh: it either conflicts with something, or was waiting for the gnome-cycling to happen.
[09:47] <lamont__> since python-gnome2-extras-dev is now installable by itself
[09:48] <Nafallo> lamont: that means gajim needs give-back on ppc and ia64?
[09:48] <Nafallo> lamont: thanx ;-)
[09:49] <dholbach> coin is already uploaded
[09:49] <Nafallo> \sh: k, thanx anyway :-)
[09:49] <dholbach> coin2 too
[09:50] <\sh> Nafallo: we need to get those upstream guys to ubuntu ;) they should use bazaar and LP :)=
[09:50] <\sh> Nafallo: because of this http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/94-Thinking-about-the-future.html
[09:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: What's no problem?
[09:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: elmo won't hunt you down in your sleep just because the sync was botched
[09:51] <bddebian> :-)
[09:51] <\sh> bddebian: u r only responsible ;)
[09:51] <\sh> to get it straight
[09:52] <bddebian> :-(
[09:52] <\sh> bddebian: what do u think I'm doing with kwave
[09:52] <Nafallo> \sh: gajim is on LP already :-)
[09:52] <\sh> last uploader == donkey kong ,-)
[09:53] <\sh> Nafallo: yes...I saw it, registered as product..but we don't have any chances (the last time i checked) to resolv the bugs in the products bug tracker
[09:53] <dholbach> bddebian: it seems that most of the uploads were already handled?
[09:53] <Nafallo> \sh: true
[09:54] <\sh> Nafallo: and thats not good
[09:54] <bddebian> dholbach: Really?
[09:54] <Nafallo> \sh: I fixed the branding bug without knowing about it, is that good? ;-)
[09:54] <bddebian> dholbach: HOw about stellarium?
[09:54] <dholbach> 3 package i checked were handled already
[09:54] <\sh> Nafallo: branding bug? hey I was 1 week away ;)
[09:54] <bddebian> I just had elmo sync from Debian today for a gcc4 fix, then it needs a GL/GLU transition
[09:54] <Nafallo> \sh: there was a bug about having human as default theme ;-)
[09:55] <Nafallo> \sh: I just thought that would be a nice idea before, and today when I wanted to translate it, I found that bug with status fixed ;-)
[09:55] <\sh> Nafallo: oh...didn't I fixed it in my last upload before i left?
[09:56] <\sh> Nafallo: it was fixed before I uploaded the patch or something like this
[09:56] <Nafallo> \sh: don't think so. I added patches/04* for it ;-)
[09:56] <\sh> ah..i never uploaded ubuntu5 ,-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:56] <Nafallo> \sh: we need bzr for this package dude! ;-)
[09:56] <dholbach> bddebian: so i take care of yours - pef should check what is done
[09:57] <ajmitch> bzr rocks :)
[09:57] <\sh> Nafallo: 04_ubuntu_human_theme.patch it was in my patchwork dir ,-)
[09:57] <Nafallo> haha
[09:57] <bddebian> dholbach: OK.  I just know he was asking about one this morning.
[09:57] <Nafallo> it's superceded ;-)
[09:57] <\sh> yedah
[09:58] <bddebian> Heh
[09:59] <dholbach> bddebian: stellarium is up
[10:00] <bddebian> dholbach: Rockin', thank you sir
[10:00] <dholbach> bddebian: ctsim doesnt apply
[10:00] <bddebian> :-(
[10:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: avahi ftbfs, needs given back due to broken chroot
[10:02] <bddebian> dholbach: Fuzz, what?
[10:02] <dholbach> bddebian: i apply it manually
[10:03] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ah ok
[10:03] <ajmitch> it was the old W: Couldn't stat source package list http://jackass.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[10:03] <ajmitch> so no build-deps could install
[10:03] <dholbach> bddebian: ctsim is up too
[10:04] <bddebian> w00t, thanks again
[10:04] <dholbach> and please tell pef to check his list - so people don't try to upload stuff that's done :)
[10:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it built fine on other archs
[10:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: cool
[10:04] <Lathiat> good to hear
[10:04] <Lathiat> havent reid it on ppc
[10:04] <ajmitch> avahi_0.2-0ubuntu1_20050906-1643-powerpc-successful
[10:08] <ajmitch> lamont__: many thanks
[10:08] <ajmitch> that'll get a large chunk of haskell packages buildable again
[10:08] <lamont__> yeah
[10:08] <lamont__> but I'm not going to give those back until after preview, just to keep the buildd's pretty open
[10:11] <ajmitch> ok
[10:12] <bddebian> lamont__: Would you mind checking on tagcoll for me?  I.E. is it hung up in a dep-wait or anything?
[10:16] <lamont__> bddebian: it was d-w libtagcoll1-dev, which isn't in the archive (libtagcoll0-dev is...)
[10:16] <lamont__> I kicked it on the off chance that it's a stale build-dep
[10:16] <bddebian> libtagcoll1-dev is one of the binaries it produces
[10:16] <lamont__> so it's not a separate source package any more?
[10:16] <bddebian> Not in this version
[10:16] <lamont__> nice
[10:21] <slomo> oh... can someone add me to the "ubuntu development team" in LP? ;)
[10:21] <ajmitch> slomo: no, none of us can
[10:22] <slomo> ajmitch: oh ok
[10:24] <slomo> who can?
[10:24] <slomo> ah ignore me ;)
[10:28] <bddebian> w00t, tagcoll, thanks lamont__
[10:30] <ivoks> did we have talk about upload? i was off
[10:30] <siretart> what is me launchpad id? siretart or not?
[10:32] <slomo> siretart: look at your account details
[10:32] <slomo> and change them ;) probably siretart-tauware now
[10:32] <siretart> slomo: Name(Required): siretart
[10:33] <siretart> slomo: I need to change that?
[10:33] <siretart> :(
[10:33] <slomo> no
[10:33] <slomo> but you can ;)
[10:33] <siretart> my bigger problem is, that i'm not ubuntite yet according to lp
[10:34] <slomo> upload a signed CoC ;)
[10:34] <siretart> ah, signature inactive? wtf?
[10:41] <siretart> ah, perhaps because not in the ubuntu member team in lp yet
[11:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: welcome to MOTU :)
[11:06] <Lathiat> thanks :)
[11:06] <bddebian> Aye
[11:08] <\sh> Lathiat & bddebian again: welcome to the team :) to the right side of life ;)
[11:08] <bddebian> \sh: Heh, thx
[11:08] <janimo> hmm do your ubuntu.com addresses work?I sent myself mailes 15 minutes ago and still didn't show up
[11:09] <bddebian> I really do need to change my nick
[11:09] <janimo> fw to gmail
[11:09] <\sh> mine is working ;)
[11:09] <janimo> btw welcome lathiat and bddebian :)
[11:09] <ajmitch> janimo: works here
[11:09] <bddebian> janimo: Thx
[11:09] <janimo> ajmitch, wanna send me one at jani@u.c ?thanks
[11:10] <ajmitch> janimo: sent
[11:10] <Lathiat> hrm do i get @ubuntu.com? ;)
[11:10] <janimo> ajmitch, it arrived, thanks :)
[11:11] <\sh> Lathiat: your launchpad-id + @ubuntu.com ,-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> great
[11:11] <janimo> it means it does not deliver self-addressed mail?funny
[11:11] <\sh> Lathiat: when approved as member
[11:11] <Lathiat> oh sweet
[11:11] <Lathiat> siretart: wah, your NOT?
[11:11] <siretart> according to lp..
[11:11] <bddebian> No?
[11:11] <janimo> siretart how come you're still not a member?if you're a motu you should be
[11:11] <siretart> well, technially of course, but I missed to apply to that team in lp
[11:11] <ajmitch> siretart: so ask & get that sorted now
[11:11] <dholbach> hey janimo
[11:12] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev
[11:12] <siretart> ajmitch: you think I should ask elmo or sabdfl now? - I better wait until after the meeting, no?
[11:12] <ajmitch> ask now
[11:12] <ajmitch> before they get onto my stuff
[11:12] <ivoks> not now
[11:12] <ivoks> other buiessnes :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> hm
[11:12] <siretart> too late ;)
[11:15] <janimo> hey dholbach
[11:15] <janimo> congrats for getting out of school :)
[11:15] <janimo> with a good mark
[11:16] <dholbach> thank you :)
[11:16] <dholbach> i'm so happy
[11:19] <janimo> dholbach, great now get some sleep for a few days :)
[11:25] <ivoks> slomo: !!!!
[11:32] <crimsun> wait, we have @ubuntu.com e-mails now?
[11:32] <ivoks> yup
[11:32] <janimo> crimsun, yup members with valid lp accounts
[11:35] <dholbach> good night everybody
[11:35] <ogra> night dholbach
[11:35] <crimsun> night, daniel, congrats!
[11:35] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:35] <dholbach> thank you, daniel :)
[11:36] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[11:36] <janimo> good night dholbach
[11:36] <janimo> congrats ajmitch!
[11:37] <ajmitch> thx
[11:37] <slomo> gn8 dholbach :)
[11:38] <mbreit> slomo: i don't think we will get our upload rights anytime soon :(
[11:38] <ajmitch> mbreit: it will happen..
[11:38] <Nafallo> baah, slomo has his personal uploader-monkey now :-P
[11:39] <bddebian> Later gang.  Congrats Lathiat, ajmitch, et al
[11:39] <slomo> Nafallo: sure... but you test everything before upload so i can't get to bed :P
[11:39] <ajmitch> thanks bddebian, congrats & welcome to you
[11:39] <bddebian> Thx man
[11:39] <Nafallo> slomo: hehe ;-)
[11:40] <Nafallo> slomo: ofcourse, you can't. you haven't got amd64 ;-)
[11:41] <\sh> Nafallo: u have amd64?
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ;p
[11:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I got home last night, had dinner, fell asleep for 10 hours :)
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch: tut tut so slack i dont know ;p
[11:41] <ajmitch> so not much time to review ipac-ng yet
[11:41] <ajmitch> what I saw looked good, and you're MOTU now ;)
[11:42] <\sh> I really need some new pair of eyes....
[11:42] <Nafallo> \sh: have had all the time :-)
[11:42] <\sh> anyone has a ravel account and want to check a piece of code?
[11:42] <Nafallo> \sh: http://www.magicalforest.se/darkelf.shtml
[11:42] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well, if you count having a direct patch aginst the source instead of debian/patches
[11:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: well
[11:42] <\sh> Nafallo: apt-get source kwave
[11:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: it didnt have an existing patches/
[11:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch: seems messy to start screwing with all the debian control stuff..
[11:43] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it is messy
[11:43] <Lathiat> thats what i thougth anyway, would it be better to add one than to patch directly?
[11:43] <janimo> good night all
[11:43] <Nafallo> \sh: and then? :-)
[11:43] <ajmitch> but it can help the debian maintainer
[11:43] <\sh> Nafallo: cd kwave-0.7.3/libkwave/cputest
[11:43] <\sh> .c
[11:43] <ajmitch> depends on how much they'll hate you
[11:43] <\sh> aeh
[11:43] <\sh> Nafallo: cd kwave-0.7.3/libkwave/
[11:43] <\sh> vi cputest.c
[11:43] <\sh> and check the asm crap for amd64
[11:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you re-synced with debian?
[11:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yes, needed to
[11:44] <\sh> according to upstream and debian it should compile on amd64...but it doesn't work neither on the amd64 buildd nor ravel
[11:44] <ajmitch> yeah, good
[11:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'd say put it in dpatch, as dpatch is fairly easy to integrate
[11:44] <Lathiat> hm ok
[11:45] <Lathiat> i'll look at that later
[11:45] <ajmitch> Lathiat: or ask the debian maintainer first?
[11:45] <Lathiat> perhaps
[11:45] <Lathiat> ok
[11:45] <Lathiat> bye :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> bbiab :)
[11:45] <Lathiat> only 5:46 here
[11:45] <Lathiat> just avoid uni today i think
[11:45] <Lathiat> altho dont thnk my aunty and nana will be too impressed i avoided the last 2 days as well :)
[11:48] <Nafallo> \sh: I'll give it to my pbuilder. I don't know asm, but I'll be happy to make changes you want me to do ;-).
[11:48] <ivoks> bye!
[11:49] <\sh> Nafallo: well me neither...but there is a #if defined(__x86_64__) inside cputest.c and there the error occures ... and I'm really lost...
[11:50] <\sh> ia64 works, ppc works, i386 works, but not amd64
[11:54] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, all those mentioned tries to use %0\n\t
[11:54] <\sh> yes...just like in the 32bit asm section
[11:57] <Nafallo> \sh: why *q in amd64?
[11:57] <Nafallo> ah, 64-bit
[11:58] <\sh> hmmm..there is another approach to fix it...let me see
[11:59] <\sh> ok...one last cigarette and last build try and then -> bed...todays morning at least I have to go to my office and after this I have to go back to my little one