[12:00] <Seveas> codenut, ?
[12:00] <Bobulor> seveas, is there any way to make sure I'm logged in properly though?
[12:00] <Quinthius> codenut: fiddled with?
[12:00] <Akrame> i have the 8000 port open on my server , one of mah ex friends might has installed a http proxy , how can i know the software that uses the 8 000 port and remove it ? thanks
[12:00] <Seveas> Bobulor, use your nickserv password as server password
[12:00] <QMario> It doesn't play.
[12:00] <QMario> !ask
[12:00] <funkyHat> daveb_, or which is tried first for booting up
[12:00] <ompaul> fblade, well did you run 'sudo /sbin/lilo'
[12:00] <Seveas> Akrame, sudo netstat -tlnp
[12:00] <daveb_> sure, it should be that the C:, the one with XP is prmary and the other with the linux install is secondary
[12:00] <cafuego> Akrame: sudo netsat -nap | grep :8000
[12:00] <codenut> Are there changes?
[12:00] <dedinje> can anyone help me setup gtkpod so I can use ipod shuffle in Ubuntu?
[12:00] <pauldaoust> does anyone, perhaps, know where I can find out what compiler flags and options the Ubuntu pacakges are compiled with?
[12:01] <codenut> Do they break it then fix it?
[12:01] <Quinthius> codenut: to what? xchat?
[12:01] <cafuego> Akrame: That will give you  aprocess id and a process name.
[12:01] <dtamas> cafuego: Sassy Spud was a joke? I didn't find anywhere...
[12:01] <Seveas> pauldaoust, grab their sources and inspect the makefiles :)
[12:01] <Akrame> ok
[12:01] <cafuego> dtamas: indeed
[12:01] <codenut> the #ubuntu need to /msg nickserv identify
[12:01] <pauldaoust> Seveas: there's a good idea
[12:01] <pauldaoust> thanks!
[12:01] <Akrame> i don't have netsat
[12:01] <Seveas> codenut, not anymore
[12:01] <pauldaoust> (anyone had experience setting up an ISAPNP sound card?)
[12:01] <cafuego> Akrame: netstat
[12:01] <ompaul> fblade,  why message - this is channel conversation
[12:01] <codenut> groovy
[12:01] <Quinthius> Seveas: oh that's not necessary now? i thought it was intentional
[12:02] <Seveas> Quinthius, it was during the spambot attack
[12:02] <codenut> under ubuntu, how do you check what processes are running?
[12:02] <Seveas> that attack is now over
[12:02] <Quinthius> ahhh
[12:02] <Seveas> codenut, ps aux
[12:02] <Quinthius> i wasn't here for that i guess
[12:02] <pauldaoust> codenut: ps aux
[12:02] <funkyHat> QMario, try alsaplayer %s
[12:02] <Seveas> or: ps f -e (if you like a tree view)
[12:02] <dalamar> or system monitor
[12:02] <codenut> tnx guys.
[12:02] <daveb_> I'm not totally in the know about these things, but it looks like the other hard drive, the linux install one, is not listed on the bootable options, just primary, CD and diskette
[12:02] <ompaul> fblade, well conversation terminated
[12:02] <pauldaoust> codenut: or top, which gives you a realtime chart
[12:03] <cafuego> codenut: or 'top' if you're interested in sorting only the top cpu/memory/swap users.
[12:03] <pauldaoust> codenut: or gnome-system-monitor, which looks like the Windows task manager
[12:03] <Seveas> choices, choices  :)
[12:03] <cafuego> codenut: or ls /proc/
[12:03] <Bobulor> seveas, many moons ago I came to you with sound issues. The varying music players that I have would freeze if I did anything but open them. Also, sound only works selectively, for computer beeps and World of Warcraft only. How might I remedey my problem?
[12:04] <Leonik> how do i run a .bin?
[12:04] <Leonik> ./
[12:04] <Leonik> ?
[12:04] <codenut> So sshd is not loaded by default.
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> sh file.bin
[12:04] <Bobulor> no
[12:04] <funkyHat> codenut, no
[12:04] <cafuego> well well, now we see the early morning 12GB rsync job puts the sysload on 4
[12:04] <fblade> hey guys also i got a rater wierd question, but any one know a of a garden design programe for linux
[12:04] <Leonik> cannot execute
[12:04] <Leonik> fookzorz
[12:04] <codenut> thanks funky.
[12:05] <codenut> brb more Ice Cream required.
[12:05] <cafuego> Leonik: what does 'file FILE.bin' say?
[12:05] <QMario> Nothing happens.
[12:05] <jay> hello
[12:05] <Seveas> Bobulor, I don't really have an idea. Sound is not my specialism
[12:05] <Leonik> elf 32 bit lsb exec dynamic linked stipped intel 80386 version 1
[12:05] <Bobulor> seveas, do you know anyone with a specialization in sound?
[12:06] <dalamar> crimsun ;)
[12:06] <Seveas> crimsun
[12:06] <Akrame> i can"t find netsat
[12:06] <jason_> I was just reliveing the old days of Fallout and Fallout 2... by far the best rpg's I have ever played
[12:06] <Seveas> or #alsa
[12:06] <Bobulor> is Crimsun here?
[12:06] <Leonik> duhhh its ./hlds.bin
[12:06] <Bobulor> seveas, crimsun's name is grayed out, what does that mean?
[12:07] <Quinthius> jason^: ahh fallout was cool
[12:07] <funkyHat> it means he's set to /away
[12:07] <hume> hi...i try to configure sambe through swat, but my browser finds nothing on prt 901 (connection refused). Its just a ubuntu installation of samba and swat, havent done any adjustments - how do I make swat work?
[12:07] <Seveas> Bobulor, that he's idle
[12:07] <Bobulor> im back
[12:07] <jason_> hell yeah it was, I just replayed both of them and beat them in a couple of days.
[12:07] <Seveas> hume, sudo update-inetd --enable swat
[12:07] <Bobulor> how does one undo idle?
[12:07] <Bobulor> nvm
[12:07] <Seveas> hume, you also need to set a root password
[12:07] <fblade> hey guys also i got a rater wierd question, but any one know a of a garden design programe for linux
[12:08] <jason_> Neadless to say that my wife was a little pissed.
[12:08] <Quinthius> Bobulor: idle happens when you don't type :P
[12:08] <Bobulor> or when i type /away
[12:08] <Bobulor> but I found /back brings me back
[12:09] <Bobulor> is there a place with a list of all the general commands for irc?
[12:09] <pauldaoust> sweet! I don't need to fiddle around with ISAPNP after all... all I had to do was 'modprobe snd-cs4236' and now I have sound on this archaic beast!
[12:09] <daveb_> anyone have any options for me to try? I'm doomed if this install killed my XP files
[12:09] <pauldaoust> (schools always have such ghetto hardware)
[12:09] <Seveas> Bobulor, google for irc intro
[12:09] <Bobulor> ah
[12:09] <Seveas> daveb_, sudo fdisk -l
[12:09] <Seveas> put the output on a pastebin
[12:09] <hume> Seveas, thx, now it seems to work
[12:09] <pauldaoust> so, has anyone tried setting up a LAN fulla Ubuntu machines?
[12:10] <Vaske_Car> How do I caaess firewall?
[12:10] <Vaske_Car> access*
[12:10] <Seveas> pauldaoust, yeah
[12:10] <pauldaoust> any stories out there about switching over an office or school to Linux?
[12:10] <pauldaoust> Seveas: nifty!
[12:10] <Seveas> and mjr followed
[12:10] <pauldaoust> Seveas: any specific purpose for the cluster, or was it just for fun?
[12:10] <daveb_> won't work, I can't finish the linux install, nor can I boot up my old xp install because it seems stuck trying to finish installin linux
[12:10] <Seveas> my attempts -> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnCluster
[12:10] <Seveas> pauldaoust, grid computing / parallel programming
[12:11] <Seveas> mjr's setup might be more suitable (same goal as you)
[12:11] <pauldaoust> Seveas: sweeeet. so, folding proteins and predicting weather patterns and the like?
[12:11] <fblade> well i got my college to covert all their servers after bringing a live cd version on my data stick
[12:11] <Seveas> He said he'd document what he does, so I'm looking forward to that :)
[12:11] <Vaske_Car> How to start FIREWALL in Unbuntu?
[12:11] <Seveas> pauldaoust, no nothing like that, more like simulations
[12:11] <Quinthius> my gnome-panel crashed a little bit ago with azureus running. i forgot about the crash and minimized azureus to system tray... so now it's running "in the background" with no tray icon... any way to gain access to it again other than killing it?
[12:11] <Seveas> but ETOPIC :)
[12:11] <pauldaoust> Seveas: no kidding. I should talk to mjr
[12:12] <codenut> See you guys later, thanks/
[12:12] <pauldaoust> I'm the computer tech guy for a small private school, and I managed to convince the principal to let me replace Windows 2000 on all the machines with Ubuntu... I did it mostly because it's going to make my life three thousand times easier.
[12:12] <Seveas> pauldaoust, he hangs around in #ubuntu-offtopic too, we've had some discussions about this in that channel :)
[12:12] <funkyHat> Quinthius, try just running azureus again. if it doesn't allow multiple instances, then the old one will just pop up
[12:13] <pauldaoust> Seveas: oh, there's an #ubuntu-offtopic channel? oops... didn't notice this was a help-only channel ^_^
[12:13] <pauldaoust> sorry
[12:13] <Seveas> it's ok :)
[12:13] <pauldaoust> Seveas: is that what you were hinting at when you said ETOPIC?
[12:13] <Quinthius> funkyHat: hmm that seems to have worked, thanks :D
[12:13] <jason_> I am out, later...
[12:13] <daveb_> should I try to reinstall again?
[12:13] <Seveas> pauldaoust, yup
[12:13] <Vaske_Car> dalamar: how do I start and manage firewall?
[12:13] <Quinthius> funkyHat: didn't bring the icon back but at least now i can close it properly hehe
[12:13] <Seveas> Vaske_Car, install firestarter
[12:13] <funkyHat> np Quinthius. lol
[12:13] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, good program called 'firestarter'
[12:14] <pauldaoust> Seveas: so, just out of curiosity, what does 'ETOPIC' mean? I'm not familiar with that particular bit of lingo.
[12:14] <Seveas> !firewall
[12:14] <ubotu> firewall is probably Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[12:14] <Vaske_Car> Unbuntu does not have firewall by default?
[12:14] <funkyHat> Quinthius, maybe the problem is that the notifier applet crashed, and you need to add it to your panel again?
[12:14] <fblade> hey guys also i got a rater wierd question, but any one know a of a garden design programe for linux
[12:14] <the4bagger> grr....nothing is solving my xserver problem
[12:14] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, firestarter is a frontend for the usual firewall, yes it comes with one (iptables)
[12:14] <Seveas> pauldaoust, unix/linux error codes usually have short, somewhat descriptive names that start with an E to indicate error, so ETOPIC would be a topic error
[12:14] <Vaske_Car> how do I start IPTABLES?
[12:14] <the4bagger> im so tempted to put knoppix back on
[12:14] <Vaske_Car> htats what I need
[12:14] <Quinthius> funkyHat: nah the applet is still there, it just doesn't redisplay already existing tray icons if panel crashes/restarts :/
[12:15] <Seveas> Vaske_Car, with firestarter...
[12:15] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, runs automagically
[12:15] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, it's already installed and started
[12:15] <Vaske_Car> firestarte have bug for Samba
[12:15] <Seveas> nonsense
[12:15] <QMario> QMario.
[12:15] <pauldaoust> Seveas: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... gotcha. like the constants in a header file?
[12:15] <saka|nix> i need a linux driver for my onboard vga
[12:15] <Vaske_Car> I know but how do I start iptables?
[12:15] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, firestarter is a great frontend for managing iptables
[12:15] <funkyHat> Seveas, which bit is nonsense?
[12:15] <QMario> Testing.
[12:15] <QMario> Just Testing.
[12:15] <saka|nix> anyone who can point me in the right direction
[12:15] <pauldaoust> saka|nix: what sort of VGA chip do you have? do you know?
[12:15] <QMario> Sound works well.
[12:15] <QMario> !Botsnack.
[12:15] <ubotu> :)
[12:15] <Seveas> funkyHat, bug for samba...
[12:15] <saka|nix> mobo is msi k8m800 with via chipset (s3)
[12:15] <QMario> What is a "Botsnack"?
[12:15] <Vaske_Car> in Fedora it was in System/Administration
[12:16] <funkyHat> QMario, is that with alsaplayer %s?
[12:16] <Seveas> Vaske_Car, do you even listen to what we say?
[12:16] <QMario> Yep.
[12:16] <QMario> Thank God!!!!
[12:16] <QMario> It works now.
[12:16] <QMario> Hee.
[12:16] <fblade> when i try and play a music file in xmms it freezes, can anyone help
[12:16] <funkyHat> QMario, and, why are you using gaim for IRC :P
[12:16] <QMario> I can hear sound.
[12:16] <saka|nix> pauldaoust: do you know enough with that
[12:16] <saka|nix> ?
[12:16] <saka|nix> mobo is msi k8m800 with via chipset (s3)
[12:16] <QMario> Huh?
[12:16] <Vaske_Car> maybe I did not ask properly
[12:16] <pauldaoust> saka|nix: hmmmmmm... not sure what the k8m-800 has. could you type lspci in a terminal window and paste the output into the #flood channel or http://pastebin.org?
[12:16] <P0S3R> helo all
[12:16] <QMario> Why can't I?
[12:16] <funkyHat> no reason :P i'm just being picky
[12:16] <QMario> :'(
[12:16] <Quinthius> fblade: go to xmms preferences and change the output plugin to esd
[12:16] <pauldaoust> saka|nix: this will tell me what sort of video card you have
[12:17] <QMario> I know.
[12:17] <funkyHat> X-Chat is better :)
[12:17] <saka|nix> ok
[12:17] <QMario> I was "playing" around.
[12:17] <saka|nix> ill be back
[12:17] <funkyHat> :P
[12:17] <QMario> Seveas, are you sure I can't play with Ubotu?
[12:17] <the4bagger> can somebody please help me with my xserver problem? it wont detect my nvidia geforce fx 5200
[12:17] <QMario> Kvidell, language please....
[12:17] <funkyHat> kvidell, i don't get BitchX, how do you switch windows? :S
[12:17] <kvidell> har har
[12:17] <Vaske_Car> That integrated IPTABLES is there a GUI to manage it?
[12:17] <Cashel> hello P0S3R
[12:17] <Vaske_Car> If so how to access it?
[12:17] <kvidell> funkyHat: /window swap WindowNumber
[12:17] <funkyHat> Vaske_Car, yes, firestarter
[12:17] <kvidell> I have an alias set so I can just do /s WindowNumber
[12:18] <apokryphos> Seveas: I wonder if the logs is really necessary (in topic), and shouldn't just be an ubotu factoid
[12:18] <dalamar> Vaske_Car, firestarter is the gui to mnage it
[12:18] <funkyHat> wow, that's a bit longhanded
[12:18] <LinuxJones> Vaske_Car, you can easily install firestarter using synaptic or the command line
[12:18] <dalamar> manage even
[12:18] <kvidell> or Alt+Window-Number
[12:18] <nalioth_zZz> Vaske_Car: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[12:18] <QMario>  Hee hee. 
[12:18] <cafuego> funkyHat: apt-get install irssi bitchx-; irssi; ctrl-n / ctrl-p
[12:18] <funkyHat> kvidell, i tried alt+windownumber, that didn't work
[12:18] <saka|nix> pauldaoust: i will c/p in that flood channel
[12:18] <kvidell> alias s /window swap
[12:18] <saka|nix> right?
[12:18] <hume> Seveas, when trying to smbmount a share it complains about smbmnt must be installed suid root...... how to do that? sorry for stupid question
[12:18] <kvidell> that's in my .bitchxrc
[12:18] <the4bagger> /me cant get his Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 to work with Xserver
[12:18] <robertbb> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/7723
[12:18] <Vaske_Car> The reason I ask it is that Fedora had a separate GUI called Security Level that can manage iptables without firestarte
[12:18] <funkyHat> it works in irssi, so i just use that when i need to use command line irc
[12:18] <nalioth> you guys... there are more guis than firestarter to operate your iptables
[12:19] <Seveas> apokryphos, it's been specifically requested by the CC
[12:19] <cafuego> Vaske_Car: You can manage the firewall without firestarter too. it's called 'ipatbles' and works with iptables-save and iptables-restore. Again, for a home desktop box that's not required. There are NO accessible srvices on a normal install.
[12:19] <Seveas> hume, you don't, use sudo for doing that as root
[12:19] <the4bagger> can somebody please help me with my xserver problem? it wont detect my nvidia geforce fx 5200
[12:20] <cafuego> funkyHat: Indeed.
[12:20] <cafuego> funkyHat: Also has a coolfactor, as opposed to a scriptkiddiefactor
[12:20] <apokryphos> Seveas: alrighty then.
[12:20] <LinuxJones> nalioth, firestarter is so easy to install and configure though
[12:20] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[12:20] <funkyHat> yes, that came into my decision as well :)
[12:20] <apokryphos> hey
[12:20] <nalioth> LinuxJones: did you see the link i sent above?
[12:20] <funkyHat> also bitchX is ugly compared to irssi
[12:21] <daveb_> Can anyone possibly help me? I'm completely screwed here, I can't even boot my old system back up
[12:21] <nightswim> bitchx is ugly compared to *
[12:21] <LinuxJones> nalioth, no
[12:21] <kvidell> I have my BX all scripted out so it's not "ugly"
[12:21] <kvidell> I personally _hate_ epic and irssi
[12:21] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, could you please continue to help me with my Xserver problem?
[12:21] <dalamar> bitchx is like so 1990s ;)
[12:21] <funkyHat> no nightswim
[12:21] <kvidell> lol
[12:21] <markiemarkie> how do i get evolution to work properly?
[12:21] <kvidell> :)
[12:21] <funkyHat> bitchx is not ugly compared to MS-DOS
[12:21] <Seveas> kvidell, nightswim, dalamar, funkyHat -> ETOPIC
[12:21] <Quinthius> daveb_: what OS is the old system? XP?
[12:21] <dalamar> sorry!
[12:21] <kvidell> etopic?
[12:21] <cafuego> bitchx is ugly by name to begin with
[12:21] <funkyHat> etopic?
[12:21] <daveb_> Yes, XP
[12:22] <Seveas> ETOPC means: no off-topic stuff like pointless irc client wars in here please
[12:22] <nightswim> he means that we are not allowed to discuss the uglyness of bitchx
[12:22] <kvidell> ...
[12:22] <Quinthius> daveb_: have an XP install cd? should be able to boot from it and go into recovery console, then use fixmbr
[12:22] <Seveas> don't.
[12:22] <apokryphos> #ubuntu-offtopic is ready-n-waiting
[12:22] <kvidell> right...
[12:22] <the4bagger> can somebody please help me with my xserver problem? it wont detect my nvidia geforce fx 5200
[12:22] <cafuego> I think several meant -ETOPIC
[12:22] <dalamar> i wish more ppl where in #ubuntu-offtopic then ;/
[12:22] <kvidell> if you think that was anything more than a discussion you're insane :-P
[12:22] <cafuego> eh
[12:22] <nalioth> LinuxJones: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[12:22] <cafuego> seveas too
[12:22] <funkyHat> haha
[12:23] <nalioth> apokryphos: whats the topic in -offtopic?
[12:23] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, it's probably alot less frustrating to just go back to knoppix for a while until you get a feel for Linux. Since you only have 1 computer fixing you problem will take much longer. Once your a bit more comfortable try re-installing Ubuntu then.
[12:23] <daveb_> I should have one somewhere
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> the4bagger : change nv in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to nvidia
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell the4bagger about nvidia
[12:23] <apokryphos> nalioth: don't know, last time it was about buying ubu t-shirts. Check. :P
[12:23] <the4bagger> i have tried that lsuactiafner
[12:24] <funkyHat> nalioth, /topic #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[12:24] <Quinthius> daveb_: well boot from it and in the first screen there should be an option for recovery console. do that, and then run "fixmbr", then exit/reboot from hard drive. should get you booting into windows
[12:24] <mebaran151> I am running lighttpd and vsftpd and sshd out of my box
[12:25] <mebaran151> should I use inetd?
[12:25] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I have been troubleshooting this problem for over 3 days, I really dont want to give up now
[12:25] <mebaran151> what would be the advantages of inetd
[12:25] <Seveas> mebaran151, the advantages are that less memory is occupied during inactive periods
[12:25] <mebaran151> hmmm
[12:25] <mebaran151> how would I set it up
[12:25] <Seveas> the disadvantage is that a new process is spawned for every connection
[12:25] <Quinthius> mebaran151: i think the advantage of inetd is so you don't have to keep servers constantly running... they spawn dynamically when needed
[12:25] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I have 2 computers, but my hard drives are in my dual boot pc atm
[12:25] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, I am jsut worried that you will give up on Linux because of it :)
[12:25] <cafuego> mebaran151: On a low-end box it means only inetd runs most of the time; if you don't use the services much that CAN be useful.
[12:26] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, I will NEVER give up on linux
[12:26] <mebaran151> cafuego, but does inetd work with sshd?
[12:26] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:26] <cafuego> mebaran151: I find xinetd a bit more tweakable
[12:26] <mebaran151> isnt ssh sort of weird
[12:26] <mebaran151> I am right now fine with listening for each
[12:26] <cafuego> mebaran151: it should work fine. How often do you use ssh?
[12:26] <mebaran151> quite a bit actually
[12:26] <Seveas> ssh is the best thing since sliced bread
[12:26] <cafuego> mebaran151: Then just leave it running as daemon, much easier.
[12:27] <mebaran151> Seveas, I can do without the bread, the ssh maybe not
[12:27] <the4bagger> i have no problem with knoppix, but ubuntu is pissing me off
[12:27] <mebaran151> it is lighttpd and vsftpd that I use less often
[12:27] <mebaran151> but I have a like a gig of RAM
[12:27] <cafuego> mebaran151: Then i wouldn't worry about it.
[12:27] <mebaran151> so I wonder if I am going to notice the less than 100k that vsftpd uses
[12:27] <mebaran151> the main reason I switched to linux was for the ease of ssh and http server setup
[12:27] <mebaran151> Windows makes that nearly hell
[12:27] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, If you can get your 2nd computer online you can have someone help walk you through in real time instead of having to reboot each time you want to make a change
[12:28] <the4bagger> by "online" you mean booted up right?...cuz im on dialup lol
[12:28] <hume> Seveas, it complains about "fail to find real path to mount point" when trying smbmount to /mnt .... is that to do with the sudo sttuff?
[12:28] <mebaran151> should a completely underpriveledged user have a shell of /bin/true or /bin/false
[12:29] <mebaran151> and what should their UID be
[12:29] <Seveas> hume, no that's because you do something wrong :)
[12:29] <LinuxJones> the4bagger, there are console based irc programs that you could use to get online but I have never had to use one. If your internet connection is working in Ubuntu that is.
[12:29] <cafuego> mebaran151: that only matters for ftp. If their shell is in /etc/shells (normally /bin/fasle) then CAN ftp in.
[12:29] <Seveas> hume, for easy samba mounting: http://ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba
[12:29] <mebaran151> cafuego, what is the point of the underpriveledge user?
[12:29] <the4bagger> LinuxJones, the thing is that I dont have the same video card on my other system, so I think that would effect the setup process
[12:29] <cafuego> mebaran151: uid/gid is not relevant, unless you want to for instance group them
[12:29] <mebaran151> can't I just use nobody
[12:30] <hume> Seveas, :) thx
[12:30] <funkyHat> the4bagger, read up about irssi, and screen, they will come in very handy if you find yourself with no X-server and needing help
[12:30] <cafuego> mebaran151: That depends what you use it for.
[12:30] <kvidell> funkyHat: lol, nor NetCat/Telnet and IRC PRotocols ;P
[12:30] <mebaran151> cafeugo, just trying to securely set up ftp service
[12:30] <cafuego> mebaran151: I have an underprivileged user for virtual web hosting; created my own so that the 'nobody' user cannot access ITS files either.
[12:30] <the4bagger> funkyHat, perhaps you can give me a link?
[12:31] <mebaran151> what is the main group that an underpriveledged user belongs to?
[12:31] <mebaran151> nogroup
[12:31] <funkyHat> i have a link to a very good screen tutorial, and i can give you the homepage for irssi
[12:31] <Seveas> his usergroup
[12:31] <funkyHat> just a sec
[12:31] <nalioth> the4bagger: you can read about screen here http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[12:31] <the4bagger> funkyHat, if you could PM it to me that would be better
[12:32] <flugh> bah, paste it to channel. i'd like to check it out
[12:32] <mebaran151> what about home dir
[12:32] <mebaran151> I dont think they should even have one
[12:33] <dtamas> Why is it still Bitstream Vera is a default font in Ubuntu? The debian was changed to dejaVu a long time ago...
[12:33] <mebaran151> dtamas, I dont like dejaVu that much
[12:33] <chrisbudden14> How can i make my laptop battery monitor actually show time left etc?  I use a Acer 4500
[12:33] <fluvvell> does anyone know what "SIOCRDDRT: Network is unreachable"  could mean after executing ifup eth0, especially since the network is all go
[12:33] <apokryphos> dtamas: ubuntu is not debian ;-)
[12:34] <mebaran151> for a completely underpriveledged user
[12:34] <mebaran151> what should the home directory be
[12:34] <mebaran151> nobody gets /
[12:34] <kvidell> their homedirectory.
[12:34] <kvidell> :-P /home/username
[12:34] <funkyHat> /home/username :P
[12:34] <Cashel> /home/username
[12:34] <Cashel> heh
[12:34] <funkyHat> mebaran151, unless you are going to chroot them, in which case it could be '/'
[12:34] <dalamar> #ubuntu-offtopic is the coolest! come chat if everything is working! ;)
[12:35] <dtamas> mebaran151: It would be is better for non-uk user... :(
[12:35] <Seveas> hmm
[12:35] <Seveas> network hickup?
[12:35] <funkyHat> but that would in reality be /home/username or something :P
[12:35] <mebaran151> funkyHat, wait
[12:35] <dtamas> cd ~ the same
[12:35] <funkyHat> and that would be a silly way to set up a chrooted environment anyway
[12:35] <mebaran151> but I am going to probably chroot them
[12:35] <mebaran151> this is for my vsftpd server
[12:36] <chrisbudden14> anyone?
[12:36] <mebaran151> I may also be bind mounting too
[12:36] <mebaran151> bind mounts always confuse me
[12:36] <adriyel> interesting
[12:36] <adriyel> bot protection was taken off
[12:37] <chrisbudden14> Anyone help with laptop battery monitoy?
[12:38] <mebaran151> is chrooting worth the pain in the neck it might be?
[12:38] <funkyHat> mebaran151, setting their home directory as fake / would be silly anyway. i would go for /chroot-root/home/*username* if you get what i mean
[12:39] <funkyHat> setting up chroot with sshd isn't too challenging
[12:39] <funkyHat> i will be setting it up soon on my server
[12:39] <mebaran151> funkyHat, but why woudl I want to
[12:39] <mebaran151> chroot's seem to be a pain
[12:39] <mebaran151> esp wehn it comes to libraries and all that jazz
[12:39] <funkyHat> so your underpriveliged users can't see your configuration files or anything like that
[12:40] <mebaran151> can't I jsut make a group that can see them
[12:40] <mebaran151> and change all the permissions to 770
[12:40] <mebaran151> or something
[12:40] <mebaran151> or 750
[12:40] <funkyHat> i believe they can be symlinked from their real positions
[12:40] <mebaran151> symlinks fail from the chroot
[12:40] <mebaran151> I tried :)
[12:40] <mebaran151> you can bind mount
[12:40] <AA> would anyone help me with an error while installing ubuntu?
[12:40] <mebaran151> but that's a performance mess
[12:41] <mebaran151> think aobut if symlinks worked
[12:41] <mebaran151> I could just symlink out of the chroot to anywhere
[12:41] <nalioth> AA: ask your question
[12:41] <mebaran151> ln -s /etc etc
[12:41] <mebaran151> whoa look at me I'm in etc!
[12:42] <AA> nalioth: it was on installing base system. Got this message: "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return valie 1). check var/log/messages for details"
[12:42] <AA> I've got var/log/messages ready
[12:42] <apokryphos> mebaran151: please don't flood the channel. You don't need to use <Enter> as punctuation ;-)
[12:42] <nalioth> AA: pastebin it. see the /topic for pastebin info
[12:43] <mebaran151> at least vsftpd is smart enough to chroot anon users
[12:43] <damsko> does somebody knows a screenshot program?
[12:43] <apokryphos> damsko: gnome has one -- check in the menus.
[12:43] <apokryphos> Imagemagick can do it too
[12:44] <logical_mark> hey guys. I have a 250 GB hard drive hooked up right now and I need to know where I can find it to view its contents, or how to mount it
[12:44] <Seveas> damsko, the screenshot button works in ubuntu...
[12:44] <wasserdragoon> hi @ll
[12:44] <damsko> is there a way to configure that program so it doesnt ask me for save it?
[12:44] <fblade> hey guys how can i get rid of lilo and install grub with access to all partishions
[12:44] <wasserdragoon> i've got a problem with firefox and ed2k handling
[12:44] <Seveas> damsko, with imagemagick it is
[12:44] <damsko> seveas, thanks
[12:44] <wasserdragoon> Now another right click, select New and String; insert network.protocol-handler.app.ed2k as Preference Name and /path/to/ed2k (path to where the file is installed on your system) as Value. is that means the path to my amule?
[12:44] <CarlFK> logical_mark  what is "hooked up
[12:45] <l3f4> s
[12:45] <l3f4> {{
[12:45] <logical_mark> CarlFK I have a 250 hard drive hooked up and I dont know where to go to see it and its contents, or if I need to how to mount it
[12:45] <dream> how big does the hard drive has to be to install ubuntu?
[12:45] <mebaran151> logical_mark, yeah you need to mount it
[12:46] <mebaran151> dream, 5 gigs is plenty
[12:46] <fblade> anyone
[12:46] <kailey> Can someone please help me?
[12:46] <logical_mark> mebaran151 how do I do that?
[12:46] <fblade> please i need to access my windows quickly
[12:46] <apokryphos> dream: normal install is about 1.8 gigs
[12:46] <mebaran151> logical_mark
[12:46] <apokryphos> dream: but you will of course need more than that.
[12:46] <kailey> :(
[12:46] <mebaran151> what kind of hdd is it
[12:46] <] BreliC[> is anyone here using an SMC 2632W wireless lan card (pcmcia) w/128-bit WEP?
[12:46] <parka> hi! my iriver used to mount as /dev/sdb1. unfortunately, that doesnt work anymore since i plugged it to ... (well, do you call it AC when it's not battery ;-) - how can i find out how to mount it now?
[12:46] <logical_mark> IDE Western Digital
[12:46] <logical_mark> mebaran151 it is an IDE wester digital
[12:47] <kailey> How do I change my screen resolution?
[12:47] <daba1> logical_mark: whatws on it?
[12:47] <apokryphos> kailey: use the screen-resolutoin program in settings
[12:47] <kailey> Where is that??
[12:47] <daba1> like, what FS, ntfs?
[12:47] <wasserdragoon> can anyone please help me?
[12:47] <] BreliC[> i can successfully enable WEP encryption with WinXP on my laptop, but in Ubuntu, it does not seem to work
[12:47] <daba1> fblade: have a live CD?
[12:47] <] BreliC[> just wondering if anyone has had similar experiences with that card?  or another card?
[12:47] <apokryphos> kailey: System -> Preferences
[12:47] <zcat[1] > ] BreliC[: same card here, but I never got WEP working..
[12:47] <QMario> Does ubotu need to be fed everyday?
[12:47] <logical_mark> daba1 there shouldnt be anything on it, it is newly formated
[12:48] <wasserdragoon> Now another right click, select New and String; insert network.protocol-handler.app.ed2k as Preference Name and /path/to/ed2k (path to where the file is installed on your system) as Value. is that means the path to my aMule?
[12:48] <] BreliC[> zcat[1] , hmm, not what I wanted to hear :(
[12:48] <logical_mark> daba1 , MAYBE fat32
[12:48] <apokryphos> QMario: no; you've fed him enough times. :)
[12:48] <daba1> logical_mark: where did you format it?
[12:48] <zcat[1] > only 'cos I never bothered :)
[12:48] <kailey> Oh.. I'm asking the wrong question.
[12:48] <QMario> Hee hee.
[12:48] <kailey> My screen is too big. I want it smaller.
[12:48] <] BreliC[> zcat[1] , ahh :)
[12:48] <kailey> How do I make it look smaller?
[12:48] <logical_mark> daba1 it is a hard drive from a moded xbox that was lower level formated to break the lock and now even though the BIOS detects it windows does not so I wanted to see if linux could
[12:48] <Seveas> kailey, grab a magic marker and black out th edges of the screen..
[12:49] <kailey> lol .. mean
[12:49] <wasserdragoon> hello?
[12:49] <Seveas> if you want to change your resolution listen to ubotu
[12:49] <Seveas> !resolution
[12:49] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:49] <daba1> wasserdragoon: wtf do you use that amule program?
[12:49] <wasserdragoon> wtf?
[12:49] <kvidell> o.O
[12:49] <daba1> why the fizzle.
[12:49] <kvidell> because he wants to?
[12:49] <apokryphos> kailey: you can set the resolution smaller there
[12:49] <kailey> Where?
[12:49] <apokryphos> kailey: if it doesn't go smaller from there, check the link by ubotu above.
[12:50] <daba1> why does he want to?
[12:50] <wasserdragoon> that doesn't intrest anyone i use it
[12:50] <daba1> ok, cool, I use gtk-gnutella, and have no issues.
[12:50] <kailey> :(
[12:50] <fblade> guys is there a wayto get rid of my windows partion and add the free space to linux with out loggin out of linux
[12:50] <logical_mark> daba1 can you help me?
[12:50] <kailey> I think I'm going to cry.
[12:50] <javi> hi, people, I'm having trouble with xrgb and xutils packages on breezy, /usr/bin/showrgb conflict
[12:50] <javi> on aptitude says me to remove xbase-clients , but gdm depends on xbase-clients, so I can't remove it
[12:50] <wasserdragoon> is that means the path to my aMule or other?
[12:51] <daba1> Seveas: does your script detect fat drives too?
[12:51] <daba1> kailey: why?
[12:51] <Seveas> daba1, yes
[12:51] <daba1> kailey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto .
[12:51] <kailey> Because I can't make my screen smaller. It's huge. And I'm an idiot. And Linux hates me.
[12:51] <the4bagger> did you try qtpart?
[12:51] <adriyel> kailey, you gotta sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:52] <adriyel> wait
[12:52] <damsko> no she doesnt need to
[12:52] <daba1> linux does not hate you at all, just give it some time always when you have an isue.
[12:52] <adriyel> nevermind, vi doesn't like you either, sorry.
[12:52] <the4bagger> screw ubuntu, im going back to knoppix
[12:52] <kailey> :(
[12:52] <daba1> logical_mark: use seveas script for windowsdrives
[12:52] <kailey> I hate Windows
[12:52] <adriyel> *shrugs* I don't use either :P screw debian period :P
[12:52] <kailey> I hate Linux
[12:52] <daba1> !windowsdrives
[12:52] <kailey> I hate computers
[12:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[12:52] <wasserdragoon> what does it mean now?
[12:52] <logical_mark> daba1 I dont knwo what that is
[12:52] <damsko> kailey  open de sistem menu /preferences/ screen resolution
[12:53] <Kyral> Another one in emo-self-destruct mode?
[12:53] <damsko> the*
[12:53] <holycow> does anyone know if gedit can save an ascii file in a windows format so they don't get the weird character for carrieage returns?
[12:53] <daba1> off course, that is why I made ubotu post the link.
[12:53] <Kyral> here, come join me
[12:53] <Kyral> I'm in the same mood
[12:53] <kailey> I did. :( All it will do is make it BIGGER.
[12:53] <daba1> emo - emotional?
[12:53] <Kyral> yah
[12:53] <daba1> haha.
[12:53] <kvidell> kailey: you realise you have to scroll down in that list to see the smaller res's right?
[12:53] <apokryphos> kailey: I told you what to do. What's the problem?
[12:53] <kailey> I did scroll.
[12:53] <Kyral> !lart daba1
[12:53] <kailey> All it does is make it bigger.
[12:54] <kailey> I want the screen size smaller.
[12:54] <kailey> I want everything smaller.
[12:54] <Seveas> kailey, then make it smaller
[12:54] <dreamie> 3.3 GB is that enough for ubuntu?
[12:54] <kailey> But all it does is make it bigger.
[12:54] <kvidell> so reconfigure xorg and add smaller res's.
[12:54] <kailey> I don't know how!
[12:54] <Seveas> set the resolution to 800x600
[12:54] <kailey> How do I do that?
[12:54] <daba1> kailey: see, there is a link, we posted. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:54] <Seveas> you've been given the link to the howto three times now
[12:54] <kailey> I went there.
[12:54] <Seveas> READ
[12:54] <kailey> I did read.
[12:54] <javi> hi again, I'm having trouble with X breeze depends, do you know about it ?
[12:54] <daba1> read that, and ask us after you read it and notice that you need further explanation,.
[12:54] <fblade> guys is there a wayto get rid of my windows partion and add the free space to linux with out loggin out of linux
[12:54] <kailey> Don't yell at me. :(
[12:54] <apokryphos> kailey: System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[12:54] <logical_mark> whats the command to show all the drive available to mount?
[12:54] <kailey> I did that one already.
[12:54] <kailey> It makes it bigger.
[12:54] <Seveas> fblade, sure, use cfdisk or parted
[12:55] <daba1> logical_mark: sudo fdisk -l
[12:55] <kvidell> Cashel: that only cycles through resolutions you have in your xorg conf
[12:55] <Cashel> indeed
[12:55] <Seveas> kailey, then do it again and change it to smaller...
[12:55] <kailey> There is no smaller.
[12:55] <kailey> Nothing there is smaller.
[12:55] <kvidell> kailey
[12:55] <kvidell> add them
[12:55] <kailey> It only gets bigger.
[12:55] <dreamie> is 3.3 GB enough for ubuntu?
[12:55] <kvidell> that tells you how
[12:55] <kvidell> and please, please please
[12:55] <Seveas> dreamie, yes
[12:55] <kvidell> stop repeating yourself
[12:55] <apokryphos> kailey: go to the link ubotu gave you then.
[12:55] <kailey> I have.
[12:55] <nalioth> dreamie: barely
[12:55] <kailey> I'm there now.
[12:55] <kvidell> that link tells you how to add more
[12:55] <mcphail> fblade: free space for what? Simple storage?
[12:55] <apokryphos> kailey: if you have problems with the instructions, then let us know.
[12:55] <Cashel> kvidell, the icons get bigger or the screen size?
[12:55] <kailey> :(
[12:55] <Quinthius> dreamie: default install takes around 1.5 gigs
[12:55] <fblade> yeah
[12:55] <kvidell> Small flood
[12:55] <kvidell> apologies peopel
[12:55] <kvidell>   SubSection "Display"
[12:55] <kvidell>                 Depth           24
[12:55] <kvidell>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:55] <kvidell>         EndSubSection
[12:56] <Seveas> FOOL
[12:56] <Seveas> no pasting in here
[12:56] <daba1> heh
[12:56] <Seveas> you know that
[12:56] <damsko> dont past
[12:56] <dreamie> so do i not even attempt to try to install?
[12:56] <damsko> paste
[12:56] <Quinthius> dreamie: why not?
[12:56] <nalioth> dreamie: yes, go ahead
[12:56] <damsko> !ubotu paste
[12:56] <ubotu> I guess paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:56] <mcphail> fblade: just reformat the partition to something linux friendly and mount it.
[12:56] <Quinthius> dreamie: 3.3 is plenty of space if you don't plan on installing big games or something
[12:56] <dreamie> Quinthius, because at my first attempt it said that installation failed
[12:56] <dreamie> not enough hard drive to copy files
[12:57] <] BreliC[> btw, is it normal for the WAN light on my router to indicate activity even when, clearly, nothing is being transferred?
[12:57] <nalioth> ] BreliC[: yes
[12:57] <] BreliC[> ok... what is it doing?
[12:57] <Quinthius> dreamie: odd. i've installed on a 4g drive just fine
[12:57] <daba1> kailey: there is a file. It is called /etc/X11/xorg.config. you need to edit it, and it is shown on that page how. Also, you need to find horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor, it is all explained in that page.
[12:58] <mcphail> fblade: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda, and change the partition type to linux first
[12:58] <Belgain> hi there, quick question: i've currently got a Slackware install on my machine (with a single hard drive), and plenty of unpartitioned space.... if i install ubuntu into the unpartitioned space, will it preserve my Slackware installation and let me boot either using grub (thereby overwriting the lilo bootloader installed by slackware?
[12:58] <dreamie> Quinthius, so what can i do about it?
[12:58] <Seveas> Belgain, yes.
[12:58] <Quinthius> dreamie: i have no clue :)
[12:58] <Belgain> thanks Seveas
[12:58] <dreamie> does anyone know what i can do about it?
[12:58] <dreamie> seveas?
[12:58] <mcphail> fblade: then sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hdax where x = partiton to format
[12:59] <apokryphos> dreamie: about what/
[12:59] <nalioth> dreamie: choose "server install"
[12:59] <Seveas> dreamie, install with server option
[12:59] <Seveas> and install a smaller desktop environment
[12:59] <dreamie> where do you choose that?
[12:59] <mcphail> fblade: then sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdax /where/you/want/to/mount/it
[12:59] <nalioth> dreamie: at the install cd boot prompt
[01:00] <daba1> when intalling, it will tell you to press enter, or type in server. type in server, hit enter.
[01:00] <dreamie> apokryphos, apparently 3.3 GB is too small for ubuntu and installation did not complete
[01:00] <Goran_> how to tell the installer to look for 4 (instead of 2) ide chanells?
[01:00] <TrekCycling> is there somewhere else to get Breezy?
[01:00] <apokryphos> dreamie: do a server install as was suggested, and enable the Universe repository and go for something like xfce
[01:00] <thoreauputic> dreamie: something wrong there - 3 gig is plaenty for ubuntu
[01:00] <TrekCycling> cdimage.ubuntu.com seems down
[01:01] <apokryphos> TrekCycling: nope, seems fine.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: is this a dual boot?
[01:01] <dreamie> what is a dual boot?
[01:01] <daba1> wow...the whole clique is here:)
[01:01] <apokryphos> dreamie: do you have Windows too there or something?
[01:01] <dreamie> no windows
[01:01] <apokryphos> dreamie: ..since an average install is around 1.8 gigs. 8)
[01:01] <apokryphos> dreamie: did you select to format the entire partition? The 3 gig one?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: well, 3.3 gig is more than enough
[01:02] <dreamie> it never asks me for server install
[01:02] <thoreauputic> daba1: clique?
[01:02] <Seveas> dreamie, when the cd boots, you can choose
[01:02] <dreamie> yes apokryphos i selected to format the entire partition
[01:02] <mebaran151> I accidently deleted my ftp user and its group
[01:02] <apokryphos> odd
[01:02] <daba1> first thing that shows up when booting the install cd is a prompt, at which if you input server and press enter, to install a server installtion.
[01:02] <mebaran151> could someone tell me the relevant things I need to know
[01:02] <dreamie> the cd is booting and i dont see that option
[01:02] <ironuckles> I have a question on installing the JDK (java)
[01:03] <TrekCycling> anyone?
[01:03] <daba1> thoreauputic: nm...:)
[01:03] <mebaran151> I just need the relevant information
[01:03] <apokryphos> ironuckles: fire away
[01:03] <mebaran151> like the gid and uid of ftp
[01:03] <dtama1> Are there any good subtitle manipulator program for ubuntu?
[01:03] <daba1> thoreauputic: the 4 horsemen...haha
[01:03] <kailey> :(
[01:03] <juanej> Master is off on alsamixer, how do i turn it ON?
[01:03] <ironuckles> I have everything installed, but the path isn't set so that I can do "javac ___"
[01:03] <apokryphos> kailey: you can't expect people in here to help if you plan on putting no effort in yourself :)
[01:03] <ironuckles> I have to cd to the directory that it installed to /opt/jdk...
[01:04] <kailey> Thanks, apokryphos. I'll think about that.
[01:04] <kailey> I did everything on the page. Everything on my screen got even bigger.
[01:04] <apokryphos> kailey: so try those instructions and let us know where you have a problem. We are here to help :)
[01:04] <kailey> Now I can't get it back to the size it was before.
[01:04] <dabaR> thoreauputic: thats a f'ed up nick, tho:)
[01:05] <apokryphos> kailey: do you mean all the things are big, around?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> dabaR: sorry? mine?
[01:05] <apokryphos> I take it you want a larger resolution
[01:05] <dabaR> ya, ya...nm...
[01:05] <ironuckles> apokrphos: how do I set the path to use /opt/jdk1.5.0_04/ ?
[01:05] <juanej> i just screw up my sound
[01:05] <kailey> ... This chat box is huge. The text it huge. The box is huge. The names are huge. The webpage is huge.
[01:05] <Seveas> ironuckles, bad
[01:05] <dabaR> its just a lower resolution...
[01:05] <juanej> Im not getting sound :(, alsamixer says master is off
[01:05] <apokryphos> kailey: so set a *higher* resolution.
[01:05] <juanej> how do i fix that?
[01:05] <Seveas> use a .deb file to install java
[01:06] <kryka> oiiiiiiiiiiii
[01:06] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell ironuckles about java
[01:06] <Seveas> juanej, hit 'm' while you're at the control
[01:06] <kailey> How do I go about doing that? I clicked all the resolutions it has, and everything gets bigger.
[01:06] <ironuckles> I need the JDK for school
[01:06] <dabaR> kailey: if we have to give ou commands, we will, just tell me the monitor make and model...
[01:06] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell ironuckles about tab
[01:06] <apokryphos> kailey: what's the highest you have there?
[01:06] <ironuckles> apokryphos, I'm a moron :-P
[01:06] <apokryphos> I'm sure you're not. ;-)
[01:06] <ironuckles> In terms of IRC
[01:06] <juanej> Seveas, thx
[01:06] <juanej> :)
[01:07] <Seveas> ironuckles, get rid of /opt/jdk or whatever
[01:07] <kailey> 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480
[01:07] <kailey> Those are the only ones avaliable.
[01:07] <Seveas> and grab a .deb file from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:07] <apokryphos> kailey: and putting it on 1024 has everything still too big? What size monitor do you have?
[01:07] <Seveas> kailey, if 640x480 is too big for you, then get glasses.
[01:07] <damsko> !tab
[01:07] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC.
[01:07] <apokryphos> kailey: ..and, what graphics card do you have?
[01:07] <kailey> Everything is huge.
[01:07] <apokryphos> Seveas: too big, as in, all the apps are huge. Seems reasonable.
[01:07] <kailey> Get glasses?? If I got glasses everything would get BIGGER.
[01:07] <kailey> I want everything to be small.
[01:07] <dabaR> haha
[01:08] <dabaR> if you got glasses, it would be blurry, make and model.
[01:08] <apokryphos> kailey: size monitor and graphics card?
[01:08] <Seveas> right, misdefinition of bigger and smaller....
[01:08] <kailey> I have no idea.
[01:08] <ironuckles> Seveas, i'll try those instructions, thanks
[01:08] <kailey> The monitor is huge.
[01:08] <robertbb_> Does anyone here know where Evolution stores its emails?
[01:08] <apokryphos> kailey: 15" generally only hit around 1024x7...
[01:08] <Seveas> kailey, add "1280x1024" to these lines in xorg.conf
[01:09] <Seveas> and restart the X server
[01:09] <Belgain> oh... another random question then i'll leave you guys alone (sorry... stilll a little new to the whole linux scene): is there any trouble upgrading hoary to the 2.6.13 kernel?
[01:09] <Seveas> possibly
[01:09] <dabaR> why would you do that?
[01:09] <Seveas> it's not been tried a lot yet
[01:09] <Belgain> is there a ready-prepared ubuntu version in the ubuntu repositories?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> robertbb: ~/.evolution/mail I assume
[01:09] <bimberi> robertbb: in subdirectories of ~/.evolution/mail
[01:09] <Seveas> Belgain, no
[01:09] <Belgain> ah
[01:10] <codenut> can you re compile the kernel?
[01:10] <Belgain> i want to upgrade, because quite a few md fixes have done into it, and that's what i'll be using the machine for (as a fileserver with RAID5 array)
[01:10] <Belgain> i don't know how critical the fixes are though
[01:11] <Seveas> very
[01:11] <Belgain> really?
[01:11] <Seveas> software raid on hoary is a bit flaky due to udev race conditions
[01:11] <damsko> why i cant take screenshots when menus are open?
[01:11] <Belgain> oh... that's good to know
[01:11] <Diffindo> I just uninstalled ubuntu from my hard drive, now, I need instructions for removing LILO from the MBR
[01:11] <Seveas> probably that's fixed in breezy
[01:11] <Seveas> Diffindo, what do you want instead?
[01:11] <mcphail> Seveas: udev is a major pain. It's not fixed in Breezy yet
[01:11] <Diffindo> Windows
[01:12] <Belgain> how stable is breezy?  is it just the tip, or is it fairly stable and tested?
[01:12] <Seveas> Diffindo, boot from a windows bootdisk and run fdisk /mbr
[01:12] <Seveas> Belgain, it's getting into shape
[01:12] <Diffindo> Thank you
[01:12] <nalioth> Belgain: wait until it says "Preview Release x"
[01:12] <adriyel> why do people have problems mounting windows drives? mine asked about it from the installation and made an entry into the fstab for me... :|
[01:12] <apokryphos> Belgain: still fluctuates with some things, but gradually getting there.
[01:13] <funkyHat> adriyel, it depends on how you set up the system, it doesn't always ask
[01:13] <mcphail> Seveas: I have been having problems installing breezy onto an external hd. udev messes up the boot process for the same reason as above.
[01:13] <Belgain> well... i kind of need a stable install now... i guess i could stick with slackware, but i'm not overrly impressed with it... and i'm still on a 2.4 kernel
[01:13] <nalioth> mcphail: external devices dont work well with grub/yaboot/lilo
[01:14] <nlogax> Seveas - is that true?! about software RAID race conditions
[01:14] <apokryphos> Belgain: if you definitely need stable then breezy, still, is probably not a good idea.
[01:14] <Seveas> nlogax, yes, I got bitten by them
[01:14] <Seveas> had to add a 'sleep 10' in a bootscript
[01:14] <mcphail> nalioth: Sarge is fine - doesn't use udev iirc
[01:14] <Belgain> is this a ubuntu issue, or a 2.6 kernel issue?
[01:14] <Seveas> Belgain, a udev issue
[01:14] <nalioth> mcphail: i have 0 clue what a udev is
[01:14] <nlogax> Seveas ouch - I have a small RAID 1, although it's only for docs and is only used occasionally
[01:14] <damsko> why i cant take screenshots when menus are open?
[01:15] <tga> the menus are classififed
[01:15] <tga> classified rather
[01:15] <nlogax> Seveas haven't had any probs so will probably just put that it of mind ;-)
[01:15] <damsko> tga thanks
[01:15] <Seveas> nlogax, it's highly hardware dependant
[01:16] <Belgain> i'll be setting up a 1TB nested RAID array so don't really want to be seeing any data corruption...
[01:16] <funkyHat> tga, ?
[01:16] <nlogax> this chan is such a great place to hang out to learn stuff
[01:16] <tga> funkyHat, read the EULA, you're not allowed to take pictures of the menus
[01:16] <funkyHat> oh right. ok :S
[01:17] <kailey> funkyHat?
[01:17] <damsko> is there a way to do it ?
[01:17] <Belgain> so what distros are affected by udev?
[01:17] <funkyHat> yes kailey ?
[01:17] <mcphail> Is it possible to install breezy with devfs instead of udev?
[01:18] <kailey> Never mind.
[01:18] <mcphail> Belgain: SuSE 9.3 has caused me problems. Some report that FC isn't as bad, but I haven't tried
[01:18] <apokryphos> kailey: how did it go?
[01:18] <Diffindo> I had a dual-boot machine with Ubuntu and WIn98, then windows went funky on me, tryed to reinstall and i kept getting error messages like "Installation interrupted"
[01:18] <kailey> It didn't..
[01:18] <kailey> But I'm not crying anymore. =)
[01:18] <kailey> That's good.
[01:18] <apokryphos> kailey: why didn't it go? What was the problem?
[01:19] <Diffindo> I have some questions about RAID...
[01:19] <Belgain> so what problems does this cause?  data corruption?  arrays not assembling?  disks dropping out?
[01:19] <kailey> I have no idea. I just switched over to Ubuntu Linux from Windows 98. Everything in my screen is huge, and I don't know how to make it smaller.
[01:19] <Diffindo> kailey, your resolution is high...
[01:19] <kailey> I think I'm going to just have to suck it up and deal until I find a nerd walking around outside.
[01:19] <apokryphos> kailey: did you do what was mentioned earlier?
[01:19] <kailey> Yes. I've done everything you people told me to do.
[01:20] <kailey> And everything that was on that website.
[01:20] <apokryphos> kailey: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put in "1280x1024" to where the other resolutions are
[01:20] <mcphail> Belgain: attempts to access disks during boot before udev has a chance to set them up -> kernel oops
[01:20] <apokryphos> kailey: ..did you do *that*?
[01:20] <kailey> I'm sorry, but I have no idea how to do that. I'm not smart. I think that should be pretty obvious.
[01:20] <Diffindo> I heard that you need two or more identical HDs to set up a RAID config, is that true?
[01:21] <mcphail> Diffindo: not quite, but close. The wikipedia has a reasonable article.
[01:21] <apokryphos> kailey: it doesn't mean you can't try :). In a terminal, type: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:21] <Diffindo> kailey, go to Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal and type the following
[01:21] <Diffindo> ^^
[01:21] <Diffindo> What he said...
[01:21] <Quinthius> Diffindo: i don't know about hardware raid, but i've read some about software raid, and the partitions can be different size, but you will be limited by the smaller size
[01:21] <Belgain> hmm... on my slackware install i just add a line to manually mount the array using mdadm right at the end of the boot process.... the earlier automount fails because the driver for my SATA controller hasn't yet been loaded... that's always seemed to work for me...
[01:21] <Diffindo> Well, my new MB has onboard RAID, so I thought I would try it...
[01:21] <Quinthius> Diffindo: for example RAID-1 with a 100m and 150m partition will be limited to 100m, i think
[01:22] <kailey> Then what?
[01:22] <funkyHat> apokryphos, Diffindo i'd have thought running dpkg -reconfigure Xorg would be easier?
[01:22] <Quinthius> Diffindo: and RAID-0 with 100 and 150 will combine to 200 instead of 250
[01:22] <Belgain> onboard raid tends to often have a lot of driver issues on linux... be warned
[01:22] <apokryphos> funkyHat: thing is, that has quite a few other things that could be a pain to talk through.
[01:22] <funkyHat> that's true. :)
[01:22] <Quinthius> Diffindo: i might be wrong but that's how i understood things anyway
[01:22] <apokryphos> funkyHat: for many users that is good recommendation, though.
[01:23] <Diffindo> Belgain: My test RAID will be set up in Windows, I want to make an Ubuntu Server Cluster eventually...
[01:23] <zblach> !sound
[01:23] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[01:23] <zblach> anyone here know how to configure network printers?
[01:24] <kailey> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[01:24] <Diffindo> !RAID
[01:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[01:24] <Diffindo> Oh neat!
[01:24] <dabaR> its not about being smart, just need to learn something...
[01:24] <dabaR> kailey, is your resolution fixed yet?
[01:24] <kailey> Thank you for putting up with me. I appreciate it. I'm just going to do the whole "sucking up and dealing" thing.
[01:24] <funkyHat> apokryphos and Diffindo are helping her at the moment i believe dabaR
[01:25] <zblach> !printers
[01:25] <ubotu> well, printers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[01:25] <kailey> Because I think I'm going to die before I can fix this.
[01:25] <zblach> !network printers
[01:25] <ubotu> zblach: Are you smoking crack?
[01:25] <kailey> Have a lovely night.
[01:25] <Belgain> am i right in thinking the udev problems won't be an issue if i'm not booting from the raid stripe, and just add a line to assemble and mount the array at the end of the boot sequence?
[01:25] <apokryphos> kailey: you forget that we're here to help. 8)
[01:25] <kailey> Oh I know you are. =) That's why I thanked you.
[01:25] <zblach> i find that for every problem i nail down, two more show up
[01:25] <kailey> But I'd rather not waste any more of your time.
[01:25] <apokryphos> kailey: well, we haven't fixed the problem yet.
[01:26] <apokryphos> kailey: you're not wasting our time if we're here to help ;-).
[01:26] <nalioth> kailey: come over to #kubuntu and talk to us there, it's a bit quieter
[01:26] <funky> what is the meaning to exist virtual (non meta-packages) packages in apt ?
[01:26] <funkyHat> kailey, the reason people are in this room is either to get help, or to give it
[01:26] <funkyHat> :)
[01:26] <kailey> Give help to people who can actually use it.
[01:26] <kailey> I'm an idiot.
[01:26] <kailey> <~-- Idiot
[01:26] <kailey> =D
[01:26] <nalioth> kailey: we all suffer id10t errors
[01:27] <nalioth> {Diffindo}: turn that off, please
[01:27] <mcphail> Belgain: i think that will be ok as long as /bin and /sbin are not mounted on the stripe
[01:27] <Belgain> mcphail: thanks... they won't be, so i should be ok
[01:28] <funkyHat> kailey, you managed to install ubuntu, and open up an IRC client, that's better than most windows uers i know XD
[01:28] <zblach> anyone here networked a printer successfully?
[01:28] <funkyHat> *users
[01:28] <kailey> funkyHat: Heh...
[01:28] <mcphail> Belgain: but in all honesty, I'm guessing!
[01:28] <paul_> how do you turn on and off items in alsamixer?
[01:28] <Belgain> probably best as i need to make sure the arrays get assembled in the right order (as they're nested)
[01:28] <zblach> paul_, 'M'
[01:28] <paul_> ty
[01:28] <funkyHat> kailey, did you manage to get the 'gedit' window to appear with the xorg.conf file in it?
[01:28] <Belgain> does nomal mdadm autodection take care of this for you? eg RAID10 or RAID50?
[01:29] <kailey> No sir.
[01:29] <kailey> Actually.
[01:29] <kailey> Maybe.
[01:29] <kailey> I just don't know what that is.
[01:29] <Seveas> {Diffindo}, turn of that bloody annoying script
[01:29] <funkyHat> it will look something like notepad
[01:29] <kailey> Yes I got that.
[01:29] <kailey> But I didn't know what to do with it.
[01:30] <flodine> anyone running gmusicbrowser?
[01:30] <flodine> i need help
[01:30] <nalioth> syn-ack: we feel for you
[01:30] <zblach> syn-ack, good choice
[01:30] <funkyHat> kailey, click on the Find button in the toolbar, and put in Section "Screen"
[01:30] <flodine> gmusicbrowser help
[01:31] <zblach> ubotu, tell flodine gmusicbrowser
[01:31] <mcphail> Belgain: I've never tried RAID10. Never had more than 2 disks to play with!
[01:31] <zblach> ubotu, tell flodine about gmusicbrowser
[01:31] <Belgain> i'll have 6 + 1 for booting
[01:31] <Belgain> :)
[01:31] <syn-ack> nalioth: heh, I dont mind using $other_OS on the desktop boxen. The only thing that matters is that $webserver is running Linux
[01:31] <funkyHat> kailey, then click Find, and then Close
[01:31] <flodine> ubotu sleep
[01:31] <ubotu> flodine: Are you on ritalin?
[01:31] <funkyHat> (in the little window that appears when you click Find in the first place)
[01:32] <nlogax> goodnight all - and no sleeping on the job you little Ubuntu gnomes
[01:32] <flodine> ritalin whats that
[01:32] <zblach> ubotu, tell flodine about ritalin
[01:32] <nlogax> ow
[01:32] <dabaR> nice
[01:32] <Quinthius> ubotu, tell quinthius about ritalin
[01:33] <flodine> lol
[01:33] <Quinthius> bah he doesn't even know what it is
[01:33] <funkyHat> kailey, are you still following me?
[01:33] <nalioth> syn-ack: and web proxy on the linux box?
[01:33] <zblach> ubotu, ritalin is Methylphenidate is a medication prescribed for individuals (usually children) who have attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which consists of a persistent pattern of abnormally high levels of activity, impulsivity, and/or inattention that is more frequently displayed and more severe than is typically observed in individuals with comparable levels of development.
[01:33] <ubotu> okay, zblach
[01:33] <flodine> ritalin what is it
[01:34] <syn-ack> nalioth: I dont have a proxy server. Dont need one
[01:34] <zblach> !ritalin
[01:34] <Soled> Anyone here know anything about saslauthd and kerberos?
[01:35] <kailey> funkyHat.. there is no find button on my toolbar.
[01:35] <nalioth> syn-ack: if i were running a windows network (even a home one) id run squid > clamav >
[01:35] <Maikeru> I was running aircrack and it wasn't working
[01:35] <syn-ack> nalioth: I have other precautions for that
[01:35] <Maikeru> turns out it was trying to crack a 128-bit key instead of 64
[01:35] <funkyHat> kailey, sorry, i forgot you have a low resolution, it will appear in a menu if you click the little downwards-facing arrow at the right hand end of the gedit toolbar
[01:36] <dabaR> Maikeru: :-/?
[01:36] <syn-ack> nalioth: Im not one of your n00bs. I know what Im doing. :p
[01:36] <nalioth> syn-ack: then share, bubba. i'm a n00b at things, too
[01:36] <Maikeru> dabaR, ?
[01:36] <Maikeru> Hmm
[01:36] <imterro> i am having trouble loging into root...
[01:37] <funkyHat> imterro, that's because root is disabled
[01:37] <funkyHat> use sudo
[01:37] <Maikeru> root is disabled where?
[01:37] <Maikeru> On ubuntu?
[01:37] <Maikeru> pfft
[01:37] <funkyHat> yep
[01:37] <Maikeru> no it's not
[01:37] <syn-ack> nalioth: Lets just say I have a hell of firewall+IDS running and installed to the point to where I dont need a proxy server
[01:37] <Maikeru> not perm at least
[01:37] <Kyral> !sudo
[01:37] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:37] <funkyHat> Maikeru, it is. it's easy to enable again if you need it
[01:37] <Maikeru> imterro, sudo passwd
[01:37] <funkyHat> but it is disabled :P
[01:37] <kailey> It didn't do anything.. =/ I must have done it wrong.
[01:38] <nalioth> syn-ack: cool
[01:38] <syn-ack> imterro: never said you were a n00b. :p
[01:38] <funkyHat> Maikeru, that isn't advisable, using sudo is a better option
[01:38] <Maikeru> then you can set your desired root pass and su into root from there on out
[01:38] <imterro> bleh i am a noob :P
[01:38] <apokryphos> kailey: no. Now go to the menu section and select to change your resolution
[01:38] <Maikeru> Not if you know what you're doing
[01:38] <funkyHat> Maikeru, leave the noob alone, he doesn't need a root password
[01:38] <Maikeru> Sudo isn't nec. better
[01:38] <apokryphos> kailey: does 1280x1024 come up there?
[01:38] <kailey> Menu Section...
[01:38] <Maikeru> Ergh
[01:38] <Maikeru> How will they learn?
[01:38] <apokryphos> kailey: System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[01:38] <Maikeru> If they rm -rf / once or twice, they'll eventually learn
[01:39] <Maikeru> but if you baby them then they'll always be newbies
[01:39] <david_> hey folks, got a simpleish questions...  How do I change prompt in a terminal ?
[01:39] <david_> atm it's way too long...
[01:39] <nalioth> Maikeru: that's uncalled for in here
[01:39] <kailey> No. It doesn't come up, apokryphos.
[01:39] <syn-ack> Maikeru: OMFG, someone who agrees with me!
[01:39] <Bubblefly> What do I need to install to open .ace files?
[01:39] <funkyHat> apokryphos, i'm talking her through editing xorg.conf
[01:39] <david_> change *the prompt
[01:39] <nalioth> Bubblefly: unace-nonfree
[01:39] <Maikeru> nalioth, what is uncalled for in here?
[01:39] <Bubblefly> Thanks, nalioth. :)
[01:39] <apokryphos> funkyHat: I already got the 1280 etc resolution in the xorg.conf, but apparently it's not showing up
[01:39] <damsko> how can i change the gaim icon that is in gnome panel?
[01:40] <funkyHat> apokryphos, did she restart X?
[01:40] <apokryphos> yes
[01:40] <dabaR> Maikeru: man rm
[01:40] <funkyHat> hmm
[01:40] <Maikeru> I didn't tell ANYONE to do it
[01:40] <funkyHat> apokryphos, did you find out what graphics card she has?
[01:40] <Maikeru> FFS
[01:40] <apokryphos> nope
[01:40] <funkyHat> hmm
[01:40] <Maikeru> I said -IF- they do they'll learn
[01:40] <Maikeru> God damn people
[01:40] <Quinthius> david_: edit ~/.bashrc and change PS1 ... i comment out the prompt code there and add something like: PS1='\W \$ '
[01:40] <david_> thanks QMario
[01:40] <david_> Quinthius,
[01:41] <Quinthius> david_: and then run: source ~/.bashrc
[01:41] <david_> even
[01:41] <nalioth> Maikeru: that is not a good education
[01:41] <david_> :-)
[01:41] <funkyHat> perhaps using vnc could get her fixed up. although that would set a bad precident
[01:41] <funkyHat> apokryphos, ^
[01:41] <kailey> Is there anyone I can call?
[01:41] <nalioth> kailey: i can get you working
[01:41] <Maikeru> I was saying -IF- they rm -rf / once or twice they will learn
[01:41] <imterro> so i dont need to be root to edit system files one ubuntu?
[01:41] <Maikeru> my point is not to baby them
[01:41] <syn-ack> kailey: Ghostbusters
[01:41] <kailey> hahaha...
[01:41] <Maikeru> They're not little children who need to have their hand held to cross the street.
[01:41] <kailey> *sigh*
[01:41] <kailey> I wish.
[01:41] <nalioth> kailey: join #kubuntu i think i can get you going
[01:41] <kailey> But they didn't include their number in the song.
[01:42] <dabaR> Maikeru: I always edit pam.d for su in wheel...not set a root password...
[01:42] <dabaR> anyhow, so...
[01:42] <funkyHat> Maikeru, that's not a brilliant policy with a distro like ubuntu, a lot of the new users it attracts would just be put off forever by doing something like that
[01:42] <damsko> how can i change the gaim icon that is in gnome panel?
[01:42] <KingArthur> I know this is a hardware question, but you guys normally are quite helpful.  I've got a laptop here with a dead harddrive.  It had an ATA-100 HD in it.  Are the ATA-6 harddrives interchangable with ATA-100's?
[01:43] <Maikeru> But the point is if they do it they'll learn
[01:43] <Maikeru> I didn't sit here and scream:
[01:43] <funkyHat> Maikeru, they aren't newbie hackers, they are computer users
[01:43] <syn-ack> kailey: Im sorry, I had to do that.
[01:43] <Maikeru> "EVERYONE! TYPE rm -rf / AS ROOT!"
[01:43] <Maikeru> I said -IF- they do then they'll learn
[01:43] <Shikamaroo> hey all i need some help
[01:43] <imterro> lol
[01:43] <syn-ack> Maikeru: Silence.
[01:43] <kailey> syn-ack.. do what?
[01:43] <apokryphos> mikelds: please don't say that; some really don't know better.
[01:43] <kailey> syn-ack Say Ghostbusters?
[01:43] <Quinthius> Maikeru: or, people can just warn them not to, and explain to them what it does, and they won't have to do it to learn...
[01:43] <syn-ack> kailey: yeah
[01:44] <Maikeru> omfg
[01:44] <funkyHat> Maikeru, good point :P
[01:44] <Maikeru> I didn't tell ANYONE to do it
[01:44] <dreamie> someone help me
[01:44] <damsko> how can i change the gaim icon that is in gnome panel?
[01:44] <Maikeru> I was saying -if- for some stupid reason they do
[01:44] <Maikeru> then they will learn and know not to
[01:44] <dreamie> i jsut installed ubuntu and it didnt go to window manager
[01:44] <dreamie> desktop
[01:44] <Maikeru> I would -never- tell someone to
[01:44] <Maikeru> that's just moronic and that would make me a jackass
[01:44] <syn-ack> Maikeru: And yet you did.
[01:44] <Quinthius> Maikeru: i'm not saying you did, but you're making it out to be like learning the "hard" way is the only way to learn
[01:44] <Maikeru> syn-ack, when did I tell them to?
[01:44] <blunted> yo
[01:44] <dabaR> kailey: do you have that monitor model and make?
[01:44] <Maikeru> I -QUOTED-
[01:44] <Maikeru> I said
[01:44] <Maikeru> that I DIDN'T say that
[01:44] <apokryphos> Maikeru: it's of little relevance, if people only read one post.
[01:44] <blunted> i got 2 hard drives
[01:45] <dabaR> is he still here?
[01:45] <apokryphos> context isn't always considered, unfortunately
[01:45] <blunted> and the primary has ubuntu on it
[01:45] <Maikeru> Quinthius, I didn't say to learn the hard way
[01:45] <KingArthur> anyone know if an ATA-6 harddrive is interchangable with an ATA-100?
[01:45] <dabaR> I mean, the "m" dude...
[01:45] <blunted> and the secondary has windows 98 on it
[01:45] <blunted> how do i get to my windows 98 hd?
[01:45] <Maikeru> I'm saying if some idiot tells someone to rm -rf / and no one tells them not to and they do then I guess they'll learn
[01:45] <Shikamaroo> i finished installing the new breezy badger onto my g3 power pc and it isnt booting, the setup completed and told me to take out the cd and let it reboot but now it is flashing the mac os icon and a ? icon, and every few seconds it stays on the mac os icon for a few seconds then starts flashing agen
[01:45] <damsko> how can i change the gaim icon that is in gnome panel? none?  :(
[01:45] <syn-ack> Maikeru: I stand corrected, but -please- dont ever say that again. a n00b would do it, Ive seen it
[01:45] <Maikeru> but you shouldn't baby them and tell them not to use root
[01:45] <pauldaoust> hullo chaps... anyone have experience with ATI Rage cards in x.org? I'm only getting 90 fps in glxgears; is that pretty typical?
[01:46] !lilo:*! Hi all. Hints again: 
[01:46] <mv-ZLOI> hi all
[01:46] <imterro> guys im not noob enough to do that...
[01:46] <apokryphos> Maikeru: err, it's good to not use root.
[01:46] <syn-ack> Maikeru: root isnt needed in Ubuntu execpt for a VERY few things (ie SWAT) thats why they installed and configured sudo.
[01:46] <dabaR> damsko: in your menu?
[01:46] <Quinthius> Maikeru: i agree, but we should at least explain to them that it's not very necessary and can be less secure if they aren't careful
[01:46] <apokryphos> Maikeru: not just because you can cause irrecoverable damage.
[01:46] <mv-ZLOI> mozet tut ktonit mne pamo4
[01:46] <dabaR> You can edit the whole menu pretty nice too.
[01:46] <syn-ack> apokryphos: its not bad to use root as long as you use it wisely
[01:47] <Maikeru> Fuck it
[01:47] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me?
[01:47] <damsko> no
[01:47] <apokryphos> syn-ack: using it wisely involves not always using it.
[01:47] <Maikeru> Just fuck it
[01:47] <Shikamaroo> y not
[01:47] <apokryphos> Maikeru: language...
[01:47] <mv-ZLOI> tut russkie est
[01:47] <dabaR> thank you...
[01:47] <apokryphos> Seveas: you're never gonna let me flex my muscles, eh :P
[01:47] <damsko> dabar the one who is in gnome panel
[01:47] <syn-ack> apokryphos: hehe. yeah, n00bs dont always understand stuff like that.
[01:47] <damsko> not in gnome menu
[01:47] <bimberi> apokryphos: you have to be quicker :)
[01:47] <Seveas> apokryphos, I'm going to be in -5 minutes
[01:47] <pauldaoust> fine, I'm gonna talk to the bot.
[01:47] <dabaR> damsko: um... can you right click on it, and properties?
[01:47] <KingArthur> I guess no one has any answers here.  Just talking aobut freaking messing with newbies.  peace out
[01:47] <apokryphos> bimberi: 8)
[01:47] <flugh> i think using root is fine, as long as you aren't doing it because you're too lazy to use sudo or su on the occastions you need root privs
[01:47] <Seveas> s/be/bed/
[01:48] <mv-ZLOI> russrie help
[01:48] <pauldaoust> ubotu: tell me about Ati
[01:48] <damsko> nope
[01:48] <dabaR> night, then...
[01:48] <apokryphos> Seveas: prime time!
[01:48] <apokryphos> =)
[01:48] <Bartimaeus> anyone know the command to tune memmory?
[01:48] <syn-ack> flugh: I have personal reasons for not using sudo, so I dont.
[01:48] <syn-ack> tune memory?
[01:48] <Seveas> if only I can figurw out some glad crapola :)
[01:48] <reiki> ok here's a situation I encountered more than once. I download a file... like a gnome theme. I can use file roller to uncompress it, but I can't then copy it to the proper directory because I don't have permission. Should I be starting file roller using gksudo and THEN doing that whole operation?
[01:48] <Shikamaroo> is there a way to boot by using the firmware?
[01:48] <mv-ZLOI> russkie help plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:48] <Bartimaeus> ya
[01:48] <funkyHat> sudo cheated on syn-ack once. now he's got cold feet
[01:48] <Seveas> !tell mv-ZLOI about ask
[01:48] <syn-ack> funkyHat: haha
[01:49] <shefa> Hi everybody
[01:49] <funkyHat> XD
[01:49] <Shikamaroo> can sum1 pm me and help plz
[01:49] <flugh> reiki: put it in your ~/.themes you have perms there right?
[01:49] <Seveas> !tell Shikamaroo about ask
[01:49] <pauldaoust> Shikamaroo: outta my league
[01:49] <funkyHat> Shikamaroo, what was your question?
[01:49] <syn-ack> funkyHat: its more along the lines that I dont like its security scheme and I know when to use su -.
[01:49] <shefa> Hey does anybody know how can I enable my tv-out on my ATI card
[01:49] <reiki> flugh, yeah, but file roller doesn't seem to be able to "see" the hidden directories
[01:49] <dabaR> :P
[01:49] <funkyHat> syn-ack, fair point
[01:49] <flugh> shefa: have you tried asking it nicely in a calm, reassuring tone?
[01:49] <Shikamaroo> i finished installing the new breezy badger onto my g3 power pc and it isnt booting, the setup completed and told me to take out the cd and let it reboot but now it is flashing the mac os icon and a ? icon, and every few seconds it stays on the mac os icon for a few seconds then starts flashing agen
[01:50] <funkyHat> i find sudo adequete
[01:50] <fblade> how can i merge two linux partion as one, "root"partion and a secondry partion
[01:50] <funkyHat> a clear-sudo-timer type command would be nice on occasions though
[01:50] <funkyHat> is there one?
[01:50] <pauldaoust> fblade: don't think it can be done
[01:50] <shefa> flugh: I did-read above
[01:50] <funkyHat> Shikamaroo, breezy badger hasn't been released yet
[01:50] <Bartimaeus> anyone know how to optimize your memory in terminal
[01:50] <david_> Quinthius, that worked, thanks.  Do you know the command to only show say the last 2 folders in my current path ?
[01:50] <Bartimaeus> ?
[01:50] <Shikamaroo> what r u talking about? i have it
[01:50] <david_> currently it shows the entire path which is what's stuffing me around
[01:51] !lilo:*! (Whoops, went into swap there. :) Anyway, just a reminder. To receive private messages from unregistered users, just register your nick and: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[01:51] <Shikamaroo> its expirimental cd
[01:51] <funkyHat> Shikamaroo, it's still testing software. hoary hedgehog (5.04) is the current version
[01:51] <DonL> I have  a root terminal in my application list if I have to do more work as root
[01:51] <blunted> cool
[01:51] <Quinthius> david_: i don't think there is one built in, but i'm sure you could do it with sed or something... (which i'm not too familiar with)
[01:51] <blunted> dabaR, word. thx
[01:51] <Shikamaroo> hoary hedgehog wont setup, it has errors during setup
[01:51] <shefa> flugh: And even if this is not nice enough for you, please be my guest and show me how do I do that, because apperantly my parents didn't teach me manners
[01:51] <david_> hm, k, thanks again Quinthius  :)
[01:52] <blunted> maybe your cd has scratches?
[01:52] <Shikamaroo> no
[01:52] <flugh> i'm too 1337 to sudo. i just run p3wnme.sh when i need root ;)
[01:52] <blunted> mine had scratches and it wouldn't make it all the way thru the install
[01:52] <blunted> so i used another disk :P
[01:52] <apokryphos> Shikamaroo: you're going to have to give the people in here more info than that. :)
[01:52] <Quinthius> david_: full path is \w, last part of path is \W... man bash and scroll down a lot (to arund line 2000-ish) to see more options
[01:53] <flugh> shefa: i've never monkeyed with tv-out on my nvidia. sorry.
[01:53] <Answer> Hello World!
[01:53] <funkyHat> hi Answer
[01:53] <h17m4n> how do I play live streams? like a mms:// link?
[01:53] <funkyHat> this isn't world though
[01:53] <shefa> flugh: Thanks man.
[01:53] <funkyHat> it's #ubuntu
[01:53] <dabaR> damsko: what, then, its either on the panel, or in the menu.
[01:53] <imterro> hey so if i wanted to set a root pw
[01:53] <dabaR> If its on the panel, you can right click and properties, if its in te menu, there is a way too.
[01:53] <Quinthius> david_: around lines 2300 to be exact, just looked :)
[01:53] <apokryphos> imterro: sudo passwd
[01:53] <imterro> i would just say sudo <pw>
[01:54] <kevogod> emerge world
[01:54] <apokryphos> imterro: though, there should be no need to.
[01:54] <imterro> sweet thanks
[01:54] <funkyHat> imterro, no
[01:54] <Answer> Question: [From Live CD]  Changes do not appear to persist on /dev/hda2 formatted as Linux and mounted as /mnt ?
[01:54] <apokryphos> imterro: no. sudo passwd  ...it'll then ask for it.
[01:54] <syn-ack> apokryphos: How long does it usually take one of the CDs you order to get to your doorstep?
[01:54] <Shikamaroo> okay, so while i was installing hoary hedgehog, when yaboot was installing it gave me an error then showed me the list of steps the setup goes through, i selected verify cd  and it finished with file errors saying files were corrupt, i redownloaded it and got the same exact error
[01:54] <shefa> flugh: I have an ATI, and remeber that when I was using Mandrake, there was an option in the "Configure pannel" that you can set that option on, but here in Ubuntu I don't see anything like that
[01:54] <imterro> ok cool
[01:54] <apokryphos> syn-ack: entirely depends on where you are; a couple of weeks, generally.
[01:54] <imterro> why would i not need root
[01:54] <david_> Quinthius = legend
[01:54] <kevogod> syn-ack: I am guessing you will be receiving Breezy if you ordered now.
[01:54] <apokryphos> imterro: because there is sudo. :)
[01:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell imterro about sudo
[01:55] !lilo:*! More odds and ends: you can let your users know who's available to accept private messages in your support channel topic. And if you don't frequent large channels, "/msg nickserv set unfiltered on" probably won't catch you much spam.
[01:55] <Quinthius> shefa: i believe there is an app that can... fglrx-control or ati-control or something
[01:55] <Answer> Question: How to write to the harddrive from Live CD 5.0.4 ?
[01:55] <kevogod> syn-ack: So probably in a long while.
[01:55] <shefa> I would appreciate any kind of help in regards to the tv-out option my ATI-I have no idea how can turn it on
[01:55] <DonL> apokryphos, maybe that's why I never got my Hoary ones.
[01:55] <syn-ack> apokryphos: are they coming from the UK or is there a DC in the states for who order here?
[01:55] <damsko> dabar its in the panel
[01:55] <dabaR> damsko, have a screenshot up on paste.ubuntulinux.nl yet?
[01:55] <syn-ack> kevogod: Im not in any hurry, I dont have a box in which I can install it anyway
[01:55] <Answer> Xappe nickrud mcphail [ping] 
[01:55] <damsko> ok
[01:55] <damsko> wait
[01:56] <apokryphos> apparently the official estimate is 4-6 weeks
[01:56] <h17m4n> shefe: if you're using fglrx drivers, you're able to install the control panel
[01:56] <h17m4n> ati control panel that is
[01:56] <shefa> Quinthius, I'll give it a shot now. I believe I have the Ati-control installed already. The fglrx-control doesn't support mu card
[01:56] <DonL> My old disks came from Holland
[01:56] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 know why my ipod isnt recognised in the hoary hedgehog live version? do i have to set it up and mount it b4 i can use it in the music player?
[01:56] <Answer> Question: Is there a BitTorrent server for the Hoary Hedgehog Install CD?
[01:56] <cafuego> ooh, shalty.
[01:57] <Quinthius> shefa: wait, i just came across the package "atitvout" in synaptic. that might be what you want :)
[01:57] <apokryphos> Shikamaroo: probably, yes. Mount it under /mnt/ipod -- standard location.
[01:57] <shefa> h17m4n, Those drivers dosn't supprot my Rage128 card
[01:57] <h17m4n> ohh
[01:57] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: it should get detected OK _IF_ it is initialised; mine show up under /media/ipod
[01:57] <nalioth> Answer: there is a torrent server
[01:57] <shefa> Quinthius, I tried that already. I dosn't work for some reason with my card
[01:57] <h17m4n> but I'm sure they have the control panel... I dont know if it would work with the set ur using
[01:57] <Shikamaroo> mine is an ipod mini, maybe thats y?
[01:58] <Quinthius> shefa: doh :(
[01:58] <apokryphos> Answer: you can get torrents etc from releases.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <Answer> nalioth apokryphos Question: From GNome BitTorrent on the Live CD, what is the "meta file" ?
[01:58] <tom-> is there any directory like slackware's /etc/rc.d/ ?
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> tom-: slackware uses BSD style init
[01:59] <apokryphos> Answer: eh?
[01:59] <Seveas> /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d/
[01:59] <nalioth> Answer: go to that URL apokryphos sent you
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> tom-: all the init scripts are in /etc/init.d
[01:59] <tom-> ok thanks HrdwrBoB
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> and are called like this /etc/init.d/foo start
[01:59] <shefa> Quinthius, ITah I know. It sucks. ATI used to support the control pannel for my card, but apperently not anymore
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> or stop, or restart or reload
[01:59] <tom-> and can I set ubuntu to update automatically and not ask for a password ?
[01:59] <nalioth> tom-: if you are daring, yes
[01:59] !lilo:*! And finally, remember that unregistered users are *important*. They're where new users come from. If you +r your support channel, so that only registered users can use it, be sure to +f the other users to an open channel for support. Thanks!
[01:59] <bimberi> Answer: usually it will be  <something>.torrent (which you get from a website)
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> tom-: yes, you can change /etc/sudoers
[02:00] <damsko> dabar http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1938
[02:00] <funkyHat> HrdwrBoB, he doesn't need to do that, he could set up a cron job
[02:00] <shefa> h17m4n,  Ok, I'll try it one more time. do you have a web site where I can download them, because I forgot where i got them initialy from
[02:00] <tom-> HrdwrBoB, if I put an executable in this directory, it willl execute automaticallly ?
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> tom-: no
[02:00] <dabaR> damsko: thats the tray icon...
[02:00] <Answer> nalioth, apokryphos, bimberi, Thank You!
[02:00] <h17m4n> sudo apt-get install fglrx <--
[02:00] <dabaR> damsko: if anywhere, check the forums...
[02:00] <funkyHat> to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade at a certain time every night
[02:01] <h17m4n> but hold on
[02:01] <h17m4n> let me give you a good how to
[02:01] <Answer> Question: How can I download to the /dev/hda2 (/mnt) harddrive from the Live CD?
[02:01] <damsko> what forums?
[02:01] <h17m4n> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[02:01] <damsko> thanks
[02:01] <apokryphos> Answer: can you access it?
[02:01] <dabaR> damsko: and that firefox logo can be fixed, on the forums too.
[02:01] <tom-> I don't want the people here to be able to mess up the computer but I would still like them to have the updates
[02:01] <hernan> holaaaa
[02:01] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, i just upgraded to breezy but skype craps out... but i know what the problem is, i had the same problem when upgrading to hoary, its missing this package (at least this was the package it was missing in hoary):  libqt3c102-mt
[02:01] <funkyHat> HrdwrBoB, wouldn't that be more secure than changing sudoers?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> funkyHat: yes
[02:02] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: so install it.
[02:02] <fblade> ok ive got gparted but the linux partion is lock so i cant make changes even as root any ideas?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> but you can't just put an executable in /etc/init.d
[02:02] <thechitowncubs> The package isn't included in the breezy repos...
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> you need to put a script in there that understands start/stop
[02:02] <apokryphos> ah
[02:02] <Answer> apokryphos: I can read and write files to /dev/hda2 (/mnt) but they do not persist on reboot [Live CD] 
[02:02] <tom-> ok\
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> then use update-rc.d to add it
[02:02] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: howz that yahoo project goin?
[02:02] <apokryphos> Answer: ah, you want to download directly there with the torrent? Hm.
[02:03] <apokryphos> I'm not even sure if the gnome bittorrent allows you to specify a location
[02:03] <funkyHat> apokryphos, it does
[02:03] <nalioth> apokryphos: it does not
[02:03] <nalioth> funkyHat: really?
[02:03] <funkyHat> yep
[02:03] <Answer> Running on the Live CD, there is not enough memory to download the Install CD without writing to the HardDrive
[02:03] <fblade> ok ive got gparted but the linux partion is lock so i cant make changes even as root any ideas?
[02:03] <funkyHat> you can also set upload caps and max uploaders
[02:03] <Answer> How can I download the Install CD from the Live CD ?
[02:03] <dabaR> tom-, I always set up an administrative account for myself, and set up a dynamic dns, and then ssh to work on something...
[02:03] <apokryphos> funkyHat: where/how?
[02:04] <nalioth> funkyHat: yes, tell us
[02:04] <thechitowncubs> nalioth, that was just a quick script i wanted to try out, not much of a project :P, but it could be if I knew what I was doing :)
[02:04] <apokryphos> Answer: unfortunately there's not an easy way to do that yet. BUt if you get the torrent then it should be ok...
[02:04] <nalioth> thechitowncubs: it works well enough
[02:04] <Answer> apokryphos: Can I make a new partition, downlaod the torrent, and boot from there (run the Install Cd without a burner) ?
[02:04] <tom-> dabaR, I guess I should do that
[02:05] <funkyHat> when you open a torrent with gnome bittorrent, it asks you where you want to save it, then when the torrent has started, you get 3 tabs in the window. the first one is download stats, the second is upload stats and options, and the 3rd is events
[02:05] <thechitowncubs> nalioth, yep :)
[02:05] <apokryphos> Answer: check what funkyHat says.
[02:05] <apokryphos> Answer: you will be able to download the ISO directly to the /mnt, since you can acces it.
[02:06] <h17m4n> how do I play live streams? like a mms:// link?
[02:06] <dabaR> tom-, well, ez-ipupdate, and a dyndns account is what I use. openssh-server also, and if its a hoary install, sudo adduser userName, set it up, and sudo adduser userName admin
[02:06] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way I can download a deb from an hoary repo from like an online location
[02:07] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <dabaR> tom-: you can also do it gui.
[02:07] <shefa> h17m4n, Thatnks man. I'm reading it as we speak
[02:07] <h17m4n> np
[02:07] <tom-> dabaR, that sounds good, thanks
[02:07] <Answer> apokryphos, funkyHat, Thank You!
[02:07] <h17m4n> shefa, I went thru many howtos, but I only got it right when I followed that one
[02:08] <Answer> Question: Can I make a bootable partition, download the Install CD there, and reboot from it?
[02:08] <funkyHat> i was under the impression there was a way to install from the livecd
[02:09] <apokryphos> funkyHat: unfortunately not, no.
[02:09] <erirlar> where can i get a package list of the apps ubuntu use?
[02:09] <nalioth> funkyHat: not the ubuntu liveCD (knoppix based ones, yes)
[02:09] <funkyHat> oh right
[02:09] <apokryphos> There were a few that had a secret "install" option, but I don't remember which ones.
[02:09] <nalioth> erirlar: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:09] <erirlar> thanks
[02:09] <thechitowncubs> Alright well the hoary package didn't work
[02:09] <funkyHat> must have just misunderstood something i read then
[02:09] <funkyHat> i just use the pressed CDs anyway, so i never tried it
[02:09] <thechitowncubs> If anyone has used skype on breezy let me know please :)
[02:10] <apokryphos> there was some talk of having only a install+live cd like MEPIS, but talk of that seems to have died down. Few issues I don't care to remember :P
[02:10] <Madpilot> any owners of Canon digital cameras here? What do you have to do to get a Canon Powershot A510 to work in Hoary?
[02:10] <Answer> Question: Is there now way to have Grub load from a partition containing the Install CD ??
[02:10] <apokryphos> thechitowncubs: are you using the debian repo? That seems to work fine.
[02:11] <dabaR> tom-: ya, its pretty awesome, you need to know basic things like nuking the config files, usually at ~/.programName when an app wont start. sudo killall appname kills all instances of an application...some things are respawed in gnome, like the panel...
[02:11] <thechitowncubs> apokryphos, debian repo provided by skype?
[02:11] <apokryphos> yes
[02:11] <thechitowncubs> I am using that... it installed fine, it doesn't run though.
[02:11] <shefa> h17m4n, Do you know how can I check my kernel ver
[02:12] <apokryphos> slow as ever, but it does come up.
[02:12] <funkyHat> you need the qt libs etc for skype...
[02:12] <DonL> shefa, uname -r
[02:13] <shefa> thanks
[02:13] <AlinuxOS> hello guys , I've installed breezy and hoary on 2 differente partitions, how can I configure grub to boot both OS? thank yuo.
[02:13] <thechitowncubs> might have found the solution....
[02:14] <Answer> Question: Why is there no way to install without burning cds?
[02:14] <thechitowncubs> and yes i did
[02:14] <h17m4n> Question: How do I listen to live stream audios like one from a mms:// link?
[02:14] <fblade> is gparted on the livecd of ubuntu?
[02:14] <dabaR> fblade: the download page can tell you that.
[02:14] <Answer> h17m4n: rythmbox, xmms
[02:14] <nalioth> fblade: no, but you can install it
[02:15] <thechitowncubs> I had to install libstdc++5
[02:15] <nalioth> h17m4n: try rhythmbox
[02:15] <apokryphos> hm
[02:15] <mike1980> hi guys ubuntu will not detect my cdrom on install can anyone help please?
[02:15] <nalioth> h17m4n: microsoft codecs are not linux friendly usually
[02:15] <syn-ack> nalioth: I use them just fine. :p
[02:16] <syn-ack> nalioth: And thats when I do run Linux. :p
[02:17] <mike1980> i have this same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22542.html
[02:17] <nalioth> syn-ack: you can access mms streams? you are running an x86 box?
[02:17] <syn-ack> mms?
[02:17] <nalioth> syn-ack: microsoft multimedia stream
[02:17] <FireRabbit> hey after updating to breezy it seems that fonts in ~/.fonts are no longer being picked up, has anyone else noticed this?
[02:18] <nalioth> syn-ack: like what you connect to for shoutcast, but soiled by microsoft
[02:18] <syn-ack> nalioth: Dont know, the only thing I stream is mp3 and AAC
[02:18] <dabaR> FireRabbit: I am sure many have...
[02:18] <nalioth> syn-ack: h17m4n asked about mms: streams
[02:18] <benjanet> how can i install JAVA on breezy (for firefox use)
[02:18] <syn-ack> ah.
[02:18] <Xorlev> Which command sends system wide broadcast messages to SSH, console, etc.
[02:19] <FireRabbit> dabaR, what do you mean by that?
[02:19] <dabaR> the answer to your question
[02:20] <dabaR> What did you read, what did you ry?
[02:20] <nalioth> !tell benjanet about java
[02:21] <FireRabbit> I guess i'll just file a bug report
[02:21] <apokryphos> benjanet: the hoary-extras pack seems to work fine.
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> thats pretty amazing, my keyboard acer laptop shortcuts work!
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> that is worth the price of admission
[02:22] <flugh> w00t. miami@fsu is on :)
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> flugh, is it on espn or what?
[02:22] <Shikamaroo> how do i mount my ipod mini in the live?
[02:23] <flugh> ABC
[02:23] <damsko> someone knows how to change the gaim tray icon? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1938
[02:24] <sorush20> when will firefox two be released
[02:25] <funkyHat> after firefox 1.5
[02:25] <funkyHat> and before firefox 2.1
[02:26] <robitaille> sorush20,   2006    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html
[02:26] <Ex-Cyber> sorush20: the current general plan (subject to change) can be found at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html
[02:26] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 know how to use an ipod mini in the live verwsion?
[02:26] <fblade> it's made no diffrence to the resize option its still grayed out
[02:27] <armanmx> Hi, I'm pretty new on this, I've already intatall ubunto to leave windows, just wwant to know where is installe firefox to upgrade
[02:27] <h17m4n> Question: What about m3u files, is mplayer compatible with it out of the box or is a plugin needed?
[02:28] <tom-> usb is not installed by befault in the kernel ??
[02:29] <sorush20> how can I change my default email client from evolution to thunderbird in firefox
[02:30] <bimberi> armanmx: an upgrade to firefox 1.0.6 will occur if/when you update your system
[02:30] <nalioth> sorush20: system > prefs > preferred applications
[02:30] <dreamie> oh i see
[02:30] <dreamie> there is a particular file that can not be installed
[02:31] <dreamie> which makes it "fail installation"
[02:31] <dreamie> any ideas how to fix this?
[02:31] <armanmx> bimberi: thats mean that I need to upgrade to 5.04
[02:31] <bimberi> tom-: usb is "enabled", whether a particular device will work is another question
[02:31] <bimberi> armanmx: ah, you're using warty?
[02:32] <TokenBad> ok
[02:32] <TokenBad> WTF is up with ubuntu?
[02:32] <armanmx> bimberi:Nop, I have 4.10
[02:32] <eugene> Help, !! A desperate windows user trying to convert. I want to install (lets say) Acrobat reader but am unaware how to (used to Install or Setup) cand anyone help?
[02:32] <armanmx> bimberi:I could not install 5.04 because got an error
[02:32] <nalioth> eugene: learn about synaptic
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> eugene: xpdf doesn't work?
[02:33] <TokenBad> check the unofficial help page
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> !synaptic
[02:33] <ubotu> [synaptic]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:33] <h17m4n> yes
[02:33] <nalioth> eugene: synaptic is your doorway to all applications for ubuntu
[02:33] <h17m4n> synaptic is whats good
[02:33] <apokryphos> TokenBad: ?
[02:33] <sorush20> I'm not using gnome I'm using KDE
[02:33] <h17m4n> I actually think its easier to install apps thru synaptics than windows
[02:33] <eugene> Thanks all
[02:33] <communico> hi everyone
[02:33] <TokenBad> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:33] <kevogod> Synaptic is... if you unlock all of the doors.
[02:33] <communico> i'm new to ubuntu and need some help
[02:34] <apokryphos> TokenBad: what is the problem
[02:34] <damsko> !ubuntuguide
[02:34] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[02:34] <nalioth> TokenBad: please dont do that
[02:34] <TokenBad> oh mine
[02:34] <TokenBad> I just reinstalled ubuntu
[02:34] <TokenBad> and installed azerous..and stuff
[02:34] <TokenBad> start it..
[02:34] <TokenBad> and then all of a sudden everything slows down so much
[02:34] <TokenBad> I have to reboot computer
[02:34] <reiki> eugene: I am a recent windows escapee as well. you don't need to install a pdf reader. There is one by default. Think of something else you use your computer for. :)
[02:34] <h17m4n> it's a problem with Azureus
[02:34] <h17m4n> not ubuntu
[02:35] <TokenBad> it was working before
[02:35] <TokenBad> without a problem
[02:35] <TokenBad> I have used it before with no problem
[02:35] <apokryphos> Azureus can be CPU-intensive, it is known; well, especially if you have many torrents
[02:35] <kevogod> Adobe Reader renders PDFs better, at least the ones I have used.
[02:35] <apokryphos> TokenBad: did you do a "top" to clarify that it was azureus stealing the cpu/memory?
[02:35] <h17m4n> there's a how to on azureus homepage that tells you how to fix it
[02:35] <TokenBad> it only starts when start azureus
[02:35] <TokenBad> and can't
[02:35] <TokenBad> it slows down so much
[02:35] <theeil> anyone get aaut working?
[02:35] <TokenBad> can't do anything
[02:36] <kevogod> You have Java installed? :-)
[02:36] <TokenBad> other then hit the reset button on computer
[02:36] <TokenBad> yes
[02:36] <kevogod> 1.5?
[02:36] <TokenBad> not sure which I installed
[02:36] <TokenBad> yeah
[02:36] <TokenBad> 1.5
[02:36] <TokenBad> just checked
[02:36] <bimberi> armanmx: if you have warty installed you can upgrade by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list and changing all "warty" to "hoary"
[02:37] <reiki> Ubuntu is making a rebel out of me. I think when I build my next house it will not be rectangular.... but ROUND! :)
[02:37] <TokenBad> but see...i ran ubuntu before
[02:37] <TokenBad> and ran azerous
[02:37] <TokenBad> no problems
[02:37] <TokenBad> then...I reinstalled ubuntu...
[02:37] <TokenBad> reinstalled azerous and java and all that
[02:38] <TokenBad> now having problems
[02:38] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell armanmx about upgrade
[02:38] <bimberi> communico: if you're still there, ask your question, hopefully someone can help :)
[02:38] <TokenBad> guess will download kubuntu and try to install it
[02:38] <lol> hi i just completely messed something up and it's not letting me run synaptic and other stuff - gtk warning cannot open display
[02:38] <TokenBad> see if it works any better
[02:38] <lol> i was messing with glib and gtk to get xmms working
[02:38] <h17m4n> no
[02:38] <h17m4n> no need to dl kubuntu
[02:38] <communico> well we're trying to get nfsv4 installed
[02:38] <lol> if anyone can help ;<
[02:38] <communico> for file sharing between a mac and ubuntu
[02:38] <h17m4n> you can do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <juanej> TokenBad, apt-get install libswt-gtk3-java
[02:39] <cafuego> communico: compile the kernel with nfsv4 support; start server with correct param.
[02:39] <h17m4n> that will install the necessary files to turn ubuntu into kubuntu
[02:39] <communico> but it's saying there's no gcc or cc when trying to install it from the command line
[02:39] <cafuego> I didn;'t think nfsv3 was stable yet, let alone v4.
[02:39] <nalioth> communico: install "build-essential"
[02:39] <cafuego> communico: Why are you compiling at all?
[02:39] <TokenBad> juanej, what is that?
[02:39] <lol> anyone? not sure how to correct the gtk/glib errors
[02:39] <cafuego> communico: nfs is in the *kernel*
[02:40] <windex> cafuego, nfs in linux is just not what it should be. in fact, all the network fs' are lacking, imho. </offtopic>
[02:40] <juanej> a library
[02:40] <TokenBad> k
[02:40] <lol> =/
[02:40] <cafuego> windex: that's also not going to be addressed by compiling something
[02:40] <juanej> my azureus worked better with  that
[02:40] <communico> well i'm just following the readme file that came with it ...
[02:40] <windex> cafuego, nops.
[02:40] <windex> nope, even.
[02:40] <TokenBad> k...trying now
[02:41] <lol> how can i reinstall gtk and glib with apt-get?
[02:41] <cafuego> communico: nfs client and server support are in the kernel. You need the correct modules loaded. Done.
[02:41] <TokenBad> juanej, any idea why azerous will not open torrents?
[02:41] <apokryphos> TokenBad: no error message?
[02:41] <bimberi> lol: apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[02:41] <juanej> uhmm
[02:41] <cafuego> communico: ie: install nfs-kernel-server and set up /etc/exports
[02:42] <TokenBad> no..it will not even let me pick it to open it with
[02:42] <TokenBad> just the gnome one
[02:42] <TokenBad> but i can start azerous from menu
[02:42] <cafuego> communico: it may or may not require param tweaking via sysctl.
[02:42] <Ex-Cyber> windex: just out of curiosity, what flaws are you aware of in Styx/9P2000 (aside from "no implementation in mainline Linux :^) )
[02:42] <lol> (synaptic:18356): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:42] <communico> okay maybe I should start from the beginning
[02:42] <lol> it's still not working
[02:42] <lol> any ideas?
[02:42] <communico> when we try and share files, we get an error
[02:42] <lol> i really messed something up =/
[02:42] <juanej> TokenBad, what version do you have? downloaded with apt-get?
[02:42] <apokryphos> TokenBad: yes, but from there -- File -> Open or whatever. Doesn't that work?
[02:42] <nalioth> lol: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:42] <lol> ubuntu
[02:43] <communico> "you need to install samba or nfs in order to share your folders"
[02:43] <TokenBad> juanej, I just did sudo apt-get
[02:43] <TokenBad> ubuntu
[02:43] <communico> so do I need to download something?
[02:43] <cafuego> lol: close the terminal. open a terminal; run 'sudo synaptic' and type your user password.
[02:43] <lol> k
[02:43] <lol> oh hay
[02:43] <lol> it worked :o
[02:43] <cafuego> communico: What clients will be accessing the file server?
[02:44] <communico> well it's a small office network
[02:44] <TokenBad> juanej, seems the slowdown was fixed with that file you told me to get
[02:44] <TokenBad> thanks
[02:44] <cafuego> communico: what OS.
[02:44] <juanej> ;)
[02:44] <theeil> was sdl compiled with support for aalib?
[02:44] <TokenBad> but still have to figure out how to get it to open torrents
[02:44] <communico> a couple of macs osx and a windows xp
[02:44] <lol> xmms: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:44] <lol> any idea about that?
[02:44] <juanej> uninstall gnome bittorrent :)
[02:44] <cafuego> communico: Ok. XP does not speak NFS, so go with samba.
[02:44] <juanej> it didnt work for me
[02:44] <apokryphos> TokenBad: you might like to try ktorrent, btw; it's my torrent-client of choice; more lightweight.
[02:44] <dreamie> someone needs to get off their ass, start typing, and help me how to solve this installation problem
[02:44] <thrice`> lol, you need gtk1
[02:44] <Mobus> I want to put Ubuntu on an existing drive that is taken up by the NTFS.  Does anyone know how to re-partition this drive without deleting everything?
[02:44] <communico> thanks cafeugo
[02:44] <lol> do i have to dl it somewhere
[02:44] <thrice`> dreamie, sure, since you're so mean
[02:44] <lol> or can i apt-get it
[02:45] <dreamie> not being mean
[02:45] <dreamie> i have stated this problem before and i get ignored
[02:45] <thrice`> someone needs to get off their ass, start typing,
[02:45] <thrice`> ?
[02:45] <apokryphos> dreamie: because people can't help doesn't mean you're being ignored, really.
[02:45] <thrice`> dreamie, then leave if you don't like it
[02:45] <lol> looks like i have gtk2 stuff in here
[02:45] <lol> but not gtk2
[02:45] <lol> 1*
[02:45] <dreamie> i have tried to install the remaining packages to hard disk and twice i got a failed installation message
[02:45] <nalioth> dreamie: did you try the server install?
[02:45] <thrice`> xmms needs gtk1
[02:45] <dreamie> and it usually happens when its almost done
[02:45] <lol> how do i install it
[02:45] <lol> heh
[02:45] <thrice`> apt-get
[02:45] <lol> i can't find it
[02:45] <dreamie> nalioth, i did but then i couldnt get on window manager
[02:46] <lol> do you know the name?
[02:46] <Blissex> dreamie: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask questions...
[02:46] <bimberi> lol: do a contents search for libgtk-1.2.so.0 on packages.ubuntu.com to find out which package has it, and install (or reinstall) as appropriate
[02:46] <windex> Ex-Cyber, ...
[02:46] <lol> apt-cache search gtk1 returned nothing
[02:46] <thrice`> lol, no, search
[02:46] <lol> kk
[02:46] <apokryphos> dreamie: once you've got server install did you try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:46] <nalioth> dreamie: that is correct., you'll need to apt-get a small window manager
[02:46] <Mobus>  I want to put Ubuntu on an existing drive that is taken up by the NTFS.  Does anyone know how to re-partition this drive without deleting everything?
[02:46] <apokryphos> dreamie: or xfce or something
[02:46] <thrice`> lol, search synaptic
[02:46] <Mobus> someone?
[02:46] <Mobus> please?
[02:46] <windex> Ex-Cyber, the only networked FS for linux i even begin to like is GFS. and it's not even production quality.
[02:46] <lol> synaptic just returned gtk2
[02:47] <Blissex> Mobus: please state your 30 second guaranteed response time platinum support account number and password...
[02:47] <cafuego> communico: 'sudo apt-get install samba' and then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf to tweak shares. You _will_ need to use 'smbpasswd' to set up user accounts that samba can use.
[02:47] <Mobus> WHA?1!?!?!!?!
[02:47] <cafuego> Blissex: root; god
[02:47] <lol> Package libgtk1.2
[02:47] <lol>     * hoary (libs): The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X
[02:47] <lol>       1.2.10-17: amd64 i386 ia64 powerpc
[02:47] <lol> is that it?
[02:47] <apokryphos> lol: don't paste in here.
[02:47] <lol> sorry
[02:47] <tga> Mobus, you can use parted or qtparted (from a livecd) to resize the NTFS partition. Be warned that you might lose all data on your drive
[02:48] <thrice`> lol, you need to do some of this on your own
[02:48] <thrice`> lol, install that
[02:48] <windex> Mobus, in fact if you use parted or qtparted w/o preparation first you will indeed lose all the data on your drive
[02:48] <lol> ok
[02:48] <thrice`> lol, you should've used apt-get to install xmms
[02:48] <tga> windex, what do you mean by preparation?
[02:48] <bimberi> Mobus: the installer can shrink an ntfs partition for you - make sure you have backups though
[02:48] <windex> tga, e.g. partiton magic voodoo.
[02:48] <armanmx> bimberi:if I have 5.10 cd it's posible to upgrade 4.10 without starting from the `begining
[02:49] <apokryphos> armanmx: yes.
[02:49] <thrice`> armanmx, of course
[02:49] <apokryphos> armanmx: and you can do it all with one line. Check what ubotu told you. =)
[02:49] <windex> tga, unless it's somehow able to resize ntfs on its own now, which i've never even heard of. :P~
[02:49] <Fred|Fr3d> in network settings, under domain name, should i write the hostname.domainname.com or do i just put domainname.com ?
[02:49] <_lui_> hello!
[02:49] <bimberi> thoreauputic: :)
[02:49] <cafuego> windex: parted can supposedly shring ntfs
[02:50] <windex> cafuego, oh. well ok then.
[02:50] <tga> windex, afaik parted can resize ntfs.. I did it with no problem
[02:50] <boooney> Hi Guys...I have a newbie question:  Where is the best place to find out how to log onto a windows domain?  I've tried the winbind howto in the ubuntu forums, but it isn't really clear.
[02:50] <cafuego> DISCLAIMER: i've never tried it, only been told about it
[02:50] <windex> ignore my warnings! i err on the side of 'it does not work'. :P
[02:50] <h17m4n> Question: How do I install 32-bit Firefox on Ubuntu AMD64?
[02:50] <tga> otoh I trashed a reiserfs partition with parted so I don't use it much nowadays
[02:51] <P3L|C4N0> !sudo
[02:51] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:51] <cafuego> !chroot
[02:51] <ubotu> chroot is, like, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[02:51] <bimberi> armanmx: before you do the ubotu thing, try adding the hoary CD via Edit -> Add CD-Rom in synaptic
[02:51] <communico> okay, it's doing something now ...
[02:51] <cafuego> h17m4n: go and rerad the chroot url ubotu just posted.
[02:51] <apokryphos> in my experience resizing with qtparted has been ok, but I've heard a few stories out there. PartitionMagic was more consistently evil for me.
[02:51] <windex> h17m4n, you have to install a chrooted i386 environment which is basically a seperate ubuntu installation in a subdirectory for executing x86 binaries.
[02:52] <tga> h17m4n, http://www.google.ca/search?q=firefox+32+bit+ubuntu
[02:52] <h17m4n> K thanks.
[02:52] <apokryphos> !chroot
[02:52] <ubotu> hmm... chroot is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[02:52] <TokenBad> bah what is up with this crap
[02:52] <sorush20> is it not possible to unify all the distros into one.. take all the good things from all and mix them into one..
[02:52] <lol> last question and i'll leave you guys alone
[02:52] <apokryphos> sorush20: people don't always agree on what is better :)
[02:52] <tga> sorush20, it's possible. good luck, let us know when you're done
[02:53] <lol> in gnome how do i add something to the menu at the top?
[02:53] <lol> i forgot :o
[02:53] <nalioth> !tell lol about smeg
[02:53] <apokryphos> sorush20: but hey... isn't that what ubuntu is? ;-)
[02:53] <lol> thanks
[02:53] <thoreauputic> OMG LOL
[02:53] <sorush20> apokryphos: kind of but I was just wondering if there were repositories for dev and unstable packages in synaptic..
[02:53] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[02:54] <kevogod> Answers always begin with questions.
[02:54] <apokryphos> sorush20: breezy is the development/unstable version of Ubuntu
[02:54] <benjanet> how can i install JAVA on BREEZY (for firefox use)
[02:54] <TokenBad> how do you make azerous auto start torrent files
[02:54] <c0rrupt_> ;x
[02:54] <apokryphos> benjanet: you were already answered previously
[02:54] <c0rrupt_> x;
[02:54] <c0rrupt_> finally done
[02:54] <nalioth> benjanet: ubotu sent you the information
[02:54] <cafuego> benjanet: By using make-jpkg.
[02:54] <boooney> does anyone have experience logging onto a windows domain with winbind?
[02:54] <apokryphos> benjanet: the debs from hoary-extras seem to work.
[02:54] <cafuego> benjanet: Go to wiki.ubuntu.com/Java, then follow the link for the CustomJava...
[02:54] <benjanet> ok
[02:55] <cafuego> benjanet: That ONLY works for i386
[02:55] <sorush20> is there a website about unified linux
[02:55] <cafuego> apokryphos: The prepackaged java isn't entirely legal afaik
[02:55] <apokryphos> I don't think it is, but I'm not sure that benjanet is considering that. ;-)
[02:55] <apokryphos> hoary-extras itself is illegal
[02:56] <cafuego> apokryphos: Well, he should be.
[02:56] <zeus1_> umm anyone know how to install gimpshop
[02:56] <lol> running install
[02:56] <lol> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[02:56] <lol> iis my python install messed up?
[02:56] <sorush20> hoary extraz are illigal.. why.. apokryphos
[02:56] <benjanet> cafuego, i have 386 still :D
[02:56] <zeus1_> i Dled the GIMPshop .deb package file and installed but it wrecked my gimp installation and i had to reinstall it...can anyone help me correctly install it
[02:56] <cafuego> sorush20: The packages may violate the terms of the original software.
[02:57] <sorush20> cafuego: could you give an example..
[02:57] <cafuego> sorush20: java
[02:57] <apokryphos> w32codecs
[02:57] <cafuego> sorush20: I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to redistribute a repackaged java.
[02:57] <cafuego> Is pico/pine in extras too? qmail?
[02:58] <thrice`> evolution can safely be removed, right ?
[02:58] <cafuego> thrice`: yep
[02:58] <zeus1_> Hello..anyone know how to install GIMPshop Im getting errors
[02:59] <sorush20> cafuego: but isn't java open source
[02:59] <_lui_> all those f*cking licenses things are stupid
[02:59] <cafuego> sorush20: No, it's not.
[02:59] <zeus1_> php is open source
[02:59] <bimberi> lol: install the python-dev package, then try again
[02:59] <sorush20> cafuego: isn't there an alternative to java
[03:00] <cafuego> sorush20: Not one that actually works, no.
[03:00] <_lui_> everything should be open source
[03:00] <zeus1_> even windows...lol
[03:00] <Vaske_Car> What is the website of Unubnu How To?
[03:00] <zeus1_> if internet explorer was open source it might actually be worth developing and fixing
[03:00] <Vaske_Car> Ubuntu
[03:00] <apokryphos> zeus1_: nah, probably not. 8)
[03:00] <bimberi> Vaske_Car: typo of the day :)
[03:01] <zeus1_> lol
[03:01] <kevogod> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:01] <Vaske_Car> :)
[03:01] <lol> bimberi: i'm trying that and it says its already installed & the newest
[03:01] <sorush20> Has there been much discussion on how to get a grip on unifiying the opensource desktop into best bread
[03:01] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: You catch that?
[03:01] <Vaske_Car> yes and added in favorites
[03:01] <Vaske_Car> :)
[03:01] <cafuego> zeus1_: Linus would never allow internet explorer kernel modules.
[03:01] <bimberi> lol: try python2.4-dev then
[03:01] <apokryphos> sorush20: as I said, isn't that what Ubuntu is? ;-)
[03:01] <_lui_> I'm going to develop a OS with the name Doors, and anyone who doesn't like it should go out to the Windows :D
[03:01] <lol> but it does say this
[03:01] <Burgundavia> sorush20, the freedesktop people are doing a lot of lower level work
[03:01] <lol>   python-dev: Depends: python2.4-dev (>= 2.4.1) but it is not installable
[03:02] <lol> it's not installable?
[03:02] <kevogod> Internet Explorer would be under Microsoft Shared Source licensing or something.
[03:02] <Vaske_Car> Was not better idea to add Opera instead of Firefox?
[03:02] <cafuego> !info python2.4-dev
[03:02] <ubotu> python2.4-dev: (Header files and a static library for Python (v2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0 (hoary), Packaged size: 1525 kB, Installed size: 4800 kB
[03:02] <apokryphos> Vaske_Car: depends on wha tyou like.
[03:02] <Burgundavia> Vaske_Car, not free
[03:02] <lol> ill get from packages.ubuntu
[03:02] <lol> sec
[03:02] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: Opera is not open source.
[03:02] <kevogod> "yet"
[03:02] <Vaske_Car> :(
[03:02] <tonino> hola
[03:02] <apokryphos> hi there
[03:02] <zeus1_> ok i DLed the GIMPshop .deb package file and installed the package BUT it ruined my gimp installand i had to reinstall it...can anyone help me with this before i have to go
[03:02] <cafuego> but as opposed to IE, opera _is_ good software ;-)
[03:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Vaske_Car about opera
[03:02] <Vaske_Car> Opera is best
[03:03] <_lui_> que hay tonino
[03:03] <cafuego> small and fast, not attached to a 4GB base install OS.
[03:03] <kevogod> Opera feels better on Windows.
[03:04] <tonino> aca ando lui
[03:04] <tonino> de donde eres
[03:04] <_lui_> de santo domingo
[03:04] <Vaske_Car> I use Opera email client as well as chat..
[03:04] <_lui_> y tu?
[03:04] <nalioth> guys, in #ubuntu-es, por favor
[03:04] <tonino> y supongo que te llamas luis
[03:04] <apokryphos> !es
[03:04] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:04] <_lui_> aj
[03:04] <tonino> de santiago chile
[03:05] <tonino> que edad tienes
[03:05] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: I am not arguing whether or not it is a better browser than Firefox, it simply does not feel native to Linux.
[03:05] <apokryphos> It's been on Linux longer than Firefox. ;-)
[03:05] <_lui_> vmonos para #ubuntu-es jejeje, por respeto
[03:05] <kevogod> apokryphos, And that means what?
[03:05] <Vaske_Car> I understand
[03:06] <tonino> no se que es eso
[03:06] <tonino> soy nuevo en esto
[03:06] <apokryphos> This is an English only channel
[03:06] <nalioth> tonino: _lui_ por favor in #ubuntu-es
[03:06] <convergence> I just installed ubuntu, and I realized that I never made a root password.  How do I get root priveledges?
[03:06] <_lui_> escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[03:06] <kevogod> !sudo
[03:06] <nalioth> !tell convergence about root
[03:06] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:06] <apokryphos> speedy ;-)
[03:07] <_lui_> yes nalioth I'm trying to get him there
[03:07] <convergence> there is no su?
[03:07] <kevogod> convergence: Read!
[03:07] <nalioth> convergence: there is, but sudo is recommended
[03:07] <apokryphos> bimberi: hehe, same.
[03:07] <convergence> very strange
[03:08] <nalioth> convergence: it takes some gettin used to, if you're a *nix veteran
[03:08] <nalioth> convergence: but i like it now
[03:08] <convergence> yeah
[03:08] <convergence> i never used sudo
[03:08] <dsrich> Anybody know why we do it thataway?
[03:08] <dsrich> As you say - *nix vet...
[03:08] <apokryphos> Simple in theory. Just prefix all your commands with "sudo" which you want to be run with root priveleges
[03:08] <convergence> i've been using gentoo for years
[03:08] <nalioth> dsrich: keep ya from shootin off your foot by mistake
[03:08] <convergence> now I'm all confused
[03:09] <mebaran151> I am trying to setup vsftpd
[03:09] <apokryphos> It works on bridging the user/root gap, slightly, but more so -- the sudo model is superior. :)
[03:09] <nalioth> convergence: then you should be able to configure it the way you like
[03:09] <lol> smeg installed but when i try to run it i get ImportError: No module named Config
[03:09] <convergence> so, anybody can have root priveledges?
[03:09] <apokryphos> convergence: did you not read the link?
[03:09] <mebaran151> I want to use ssl, but not whenever I attempt to start vsftpd, I get the error No RSA certification
[03:09] <apokryphos> convergence: sudo is "you" with root perms.
[03:09] <dsrich> I suppose this is a bit more idiot resistant.
[03:09] <mebaran151> how do I get an RSA certification
[03:09] <bimberi> convergence: the user created during install does .. subsequent users won't unless to make it so
[03:10] <convergence> oh i c
[03:10] <convergence> lol
[03:10] <benjanet> cafuego, i did "fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[03:10] <benjanet> ", but i still have no hava in firefox (after re opening it)
[03:10] <mebaran151> anyone know anything about RSA certifcation
[03:10] <convergence> well, guess I'd better to some reading and some experimenting
[03:10] <bimberi> convergence: ... by adding them to the "admin" group btw
[03:10] <armanmx> Where can I learn more about Unix and Linux????
[03:10] <nalioth> mebaran151: do you have openssh-server installed?
[03:10] <convergence> ahh, like the wheel group
[03:10] <mebaran151> yep
[03:10] <mebaran151> I am running an ssh server right now
[03:10] <mebaran151> I can ssh to it
[03:11] <nalioth> mebaran151: hmmm
[03:11] <bimberi> convergence: yes
[03:11] <Killer_Taco> How do I install an ISO file?
[03:11] <mebaran151> I compiled it with openssl as well
[03:11] <mebaran151> very sure as I explcitly stated it
[03:11] <kevogod> Killer_Taco: Burn the ISO file onto a CD.
[03:11] <nalioth> Killer_Taco: you use a cd burning program to burn to cd using the .ISO as a template
[03:12] <Vaske_Car> What is the procedure in case Unbuntu crash?? Does it have repair option or ...  ??
[03:12] <mebaran151> nalioth, it doesnt complain that the openssl libraries are not present
[03:12] <mebaran151> it complains about RSA
[03:12] <Vaske_Car> Ubuntu**
[03:12] <nalioth> mebaran151: i have no idea bout ftpd's. i use sftp and scp
[03:12] <mebaran151> 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate
[03:12] <mebaran151> it works in regular mode
[03:13] <mebaran151> but I dont want to regular mode, I wants SSL!
[03:13] <dreamie> xfce is a small windows manager?
[03:13] <mebaran151> dreamie, xfce is a nice windows manager
[03:13] <mebaran151> one of my favorites
[03:13] <apokryphos> dreamie: a more lightweight one, yes.
[03:13] <nalioth> dreamie: as is fluxbox, blackbox, xfce4, enlightenment
[03:13] <mebaran151> it does everything you should want
[03:13] <mebaran151> enlightenment is crazy ......
[03:13] <dreamie> xfce is the best out of all of those?
[03:13] <apokryphos> matter of opinion
[03:13] <mebaran151> I was beta testing 17 on ArchLinux
[03:13] <dreamie> i apologize for my comments i made earlier
[03:13] <mebaran151> whoa it is beautiful
[03:14] <dreamie> ia m sorry for saying that
[03:14] <apokryphos> xfce4 is in Ubuntu's Universe repository
[03:14] <damsko> can you add your own emoticons in gaim (msn)?
[03:14] <mebaran151> damsko, yeah I think
[03:15] <lsuactiafner> Vaske_Car : just switch it back on as if nothing happened @ all
[03:15] <lsuactiafner> but linux doesnt crash easily
[03:15] <convergence> so weird
[03:15] <damsko> and how do i add them?
[03:16] <dreamie> damsko, gaim is easy
[03:16] <c0rrupt_> whats the dpkg command to convert tar.gz to .deb
[03:16] <dreamie> damnsko, if you explore it you will get what you want
[03:16] <damsko> ok
[03:16] <damsko> thank you
[03:17] <convergence> the ubuntoo install was so easy
[03:17] <nalioth> c0rrupt_: there is more to it than that
[03:17] <c0rrupt_> can i just use alien?
[03:17] <mebaran151> how do I integrate an ssl rsa certificate into vsftpd
[03:17] <mebaran151> I compiled it with support for rsa
[03:17] <convergence> I answered some questions in the beginning, and it intelligently wrote some config files later
[03:17] <mebaran151> and openssl
[03:17] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_:
[03:17] <apokryphos> no
[03:17] <bipolar> I just got done updating to breezy. The things I use every day seems to work fine. The only problem I have is that most of the icons in nautilus are missing. All the files are showing as blank icons. Any ideas what might fix it?
[03:17] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: that's for the conversion of rpms to .debs, primarily.
[03:17] <c0rrupt_> alright so
[03:17] <c0rrupt_> whats the "more" when you say more to it
[03:18] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: making deb packages is no easy task
[03:18] <Answer> Question: Is there a way to run the Install CD from the Hard Drive?
[03:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> bipolar: What new is noticeable in Breezy?
[03:18] <c0rrupt_> i usually config make make install but someone said i could break my system doing it that way
[03:18] <c0rrupt_> ;x
[03:18] <apokryphos> but there is some info on the MOTU on the wiki if you want to get into it.
[03:18] <bipolar> Carpe_Libertatem, Gnome 2.12 looks cool. I havn't really dug into it yet.
[03:18] <armanmx> what does mean -e expression #1, char 15:unknow option to s'
[03:18] <lol> do i need to do something to see changes after i edit stuff in smeg?
[03:18] <c0rrupt_> !motu
[03:18] <ubotu> motu are the Masters of the Universe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU)
[03:18] <lol> because it doesnt seem to be changing it...
[03:18] <nalioth> lol: they are immediate
[03:18] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: if the package is in the repositories, you should generally get that. If you know what you're doing when you compile then you'll be ok.
[03:18] <lol> nothing is changing eh
[03:19] <lol> i took off amarok and put xmms in and amarok is still there and xmms isn't
[03:19] <c0rrupt_> yea i can compile fine..
[03:19] <nalioth> c0rrupt_: you can do that, sequence, but i recommand you use "checkinstall" instead of "make install"
[03:19] <apokryphos> lol: ubuntu knows best ;-)
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> checkinstall?
[03:20] <Quinthius> bipolar: i'm not using breezy, but try going to system -> preferences -> theme, click "theme details", go to icon tab, and choose gnome, see if that resets them
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> whats the diff
[03:20] <lol> but really
[03:20] <lol> why isn't it letting me add it
[03:20] <Answer> *** Question: Is there a way to run the Install CD from the Hard Drive?
[03:20] <nalioth> c0rrupt_: checkinstall is available in the repos, and makes simple debs for system maintenance (not to debian standard, but enough for system maintenance)
[03:20] <cafuego> Answer: As in: install to disk? or run the iso off disk?
[03:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Answer about install
[03:21] <Answer> cafeugo: Run the iso off /dev/hda2 (/mnt)
[03:21] <h17m4n> damn, in order to chroot ff I have to dl ALL these packages? whoa
[03:21] <lol> yeah
[03:21] <lol> smeg isn't working
[03:21] <lol> oh
[03:21] <lol> i know why
[03:21] <lol> lols
[03:21] <kevogod> !install
[03:21] <ubotu> methinks install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[03:21] <cafuego> Answer: yes, there is .. don't ask me how, though :-)
[03:21] <lol> nevermind i dont :/
[03:21] <sorush20> is ubuntu development user orientated
[03:21] <lol> i was running it as root
[03:22] <kevogod> Answer: Mount the ISO like you would a CD.
[03:22] <Mobus> I want to put Ubuntu on an existing drive that is taken up by the NTFS.  Does anyone know how to re-partition this drive without deleting everything?
[03:22] <convergence> does ubuntoo use udev or devfs by default
[03:22] <convergence> ?
[03:22] <Mobus> I heard Ubuntu does it during installation, but how safe is it?
[03:22] <Answer> kevogod: From the Live CD, how to 'mount the iso' which is /mtn/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso?
[03:22] <apokryphos> Mobus: qtparted/gparted are options
[03:22] <Mobus> how do I get those?
[03:22] <apokryphos> Mobus: reasonably safe, but you should have backups of the vitals.
[03:23] <apokryphos> Mobus: they're in the repositories.
[03:23] <Mobus> thats the probleam
[03:23] <Mobus> I'm cursed with backing things up...
[03:23] <cafuego> Answer: You'll need SYSLINUX, a kernel, an initrd and the ISO.
[03:23] <kevogod> mount -o loop -t iso9660 /mnt/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso /mnt/iso
[03:23] <Beastboy26> I just did an install, anyone know why I can get a better screen res. than 640
[03:23] <lol> anyone know why smeg isn't editing my menu?
[03:23] <cafuego> kevogod: that's  hardly useful for BOOTING it.
[03:23] <lol> maybe i locked a file?
[03:23] <Mobus> repositories?
[03:24] <Answer> cafuego: What type of thing is SYSLINUX, and where to obtain it?
[03:24] <lopingo> hey guys, what's the name of the package/software that enables us to see/write to windows file systems?
[03:24] <Mobus> where are the repositories?
[03:24] <cafuego> Answer: syslinux is in the apt repositories; it's a boot loader.
[03:24] <benjanet>  i did "fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin", but i still have no Java in firefox (after re opening it)
[03:24] <cafuego> Answer: it's the boot loader used on the CDs in fact
[03:24] <apokryphos> Mobus: oh, you don't have ubu installed?
[03:24] <Beastboy26> I just did an install, anyone know why I can get a better screen res. than 640
[03:24] <Mobus> I do have it installed
[03:24] <a4techm> elo people
[03:25] <Mobus> on a hard drive that I need to get rid of
[03:25] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Beastboy26 about resolution
[03:25] <Mobus> ok
[03:25] <Mobus> UI have 2 hard drives
[03:25] <cafuego> Answer: use this as a starting point: http://d-i.pascal.at/
[03:25] <Mobus> I have a 60 g NTFS hard drive
[03:25] <apokryphos> benjanet: if you don't care about licensing issues then you should go for the hoary-extras deb
[03:25] <floam> are the xorg 6.9 RC's available in Ubuntu yet?
[03:25] <Answer> cafuego: Thank you! root$ apt-get install syslinux
[03:25] <floam> I can't switch until it is
[03:25] <Mobus> asnd a 13 G Ubuntu hard drive
[03:25] <lopingo> nvm, got it
[03:25] <Mobus> I need to give the Ubuntu drive to my brother
[03:25] <thoreauputic> !tell Mobus about repos
[03:25] <a4techm> anyone can help me how toadjust my resulotion into 1024X768 pixes?
[03:25] <Mobus> abd I want to get ubuntu on to my 60G hard drive
[03:25] <benjanet> apokryphos, ok, ill try that later..im scared of breaking breezy adding hoary repositories
[03:26] <Answer> cafuego: Can I use generic vmlinuz kernel and initrd.gz ?
[03:26] <Mobus> without destroying what I already hasve on the 60
[03:26] <damsko> i cant find how to add emoticons in gaim msn :(
[03:26] <Quinthius> is there any way to make the alt-tab list include ALL programs, not just current desktop?
[03:26] <cafuego> Answer: maybe, not sure..
[03:26] <apokryphos> benjanet: check what it installs... if it tries to do more than the sun-j2re pack, then stop it.
[03:26] <kevogod> !tell kevogod about repos
[03:26] <bimberi> Mobus: do you need anything on the 13G drive?
[03:26] <cafuego> Answer: I expect you'll need the ones off the livecd
[03:26] <benjanet> apokryphos, thanks... :) ill try it later :d
[03:26] <apokryphos> benjanet: or you could manually download the deb and dpkg -i
[03:27] <Mobus> binberi: I have to give the 13 away,
[03:27] <bipolar> Quinthius, it looks like it did something. I'm not sure if it fixed everything. I'm going ot log out/in and see.
[03:27] <Answer> cafeugo: ok I have kernel, initrd, syslinux, and iso on /dev/hda2 (/mnt), how to boot from there?
[03:27] <Mobus> bimberi: I have to give the 13 away,
[03:27] <bimberi> Mobus: just thinking that you could format it for windows, back things up to it, then do the install with shrink, check that it worked, then give it away when you're happy it's worked
[03:28] <Quinthius> bipolar: could try some of the other icon themes there too
[03:28] <Davey> I just added a new Samba share using the Gnome GUI, I see it in the /etc/samba/smb.conf but I can't see it from my other machines, any suggestions? Do I need to /etc/init.d/samba restart ?
[03:28] <bimberi> Mobus: hopefully that was reasonably clear :)
[03:28] <bipolar> Quinthius, yeah... it worked.
[03:28] <bipolar> Quinthius, thanks!
[03:28] <Quinthius> bipolar: yay :)
[03:28] <ari_> can anyone here please help me install the GeForce drivers on my Kubuntu system?
[03:28] <Mobus> bimberi:resonably
[03:28] <thoreauputic> If one orders shipit CDs now, will Breezy CDs be shipped?
[03:28] <bimberi> :)
[03:28] <Mobus> only,
[03:28] <nalioth> thoreauputic: maybe
[03:28] <Mobus> I don't know what the vital stuff is
[03:28] <haja> How do I install .run packages?
[03:29] <cafuego> Answer: That's the bit I can't help ya with...
[03:29] <Mobus> and by the time I re-instazll on the 60
[03:29] <bimberi> thoreauputic: hah, probably the release after breezy :)
[03:29] <Mobus> I'll realikze I've forgotrten soemthing
[03:29] <thoreauputic> nalioth: heh - well Hoary ones are not much use to me...
[03:29] <thoreauputic> bimberi: cynic :)
[03:29] <jay-bed> Could anybody with a centrino processor cat me their /proc/cpuinfo in a /msg please?
[03:29] <Orunitia> I seem to have killed my ubuntu install. Running off a breezy live cd right now. Before trying to fix my problem, is there a way I can access my home folders from a live cd to back stuff up?
[03:29] <nalioth> thoreauputic: so wait and join the torrent
[03:29] <jay> And I just changed my nick sorry :P
[03:29] <Answer> Question: How to make a bootable partition?  What files are needed?
[03:29] <bimberi> thoreauputic: cynicism is an optimisists view of realism :)
[03:30] <thoreauputic> nalioth: on dialup ? Methinks not
[03:30] <apokryphos> nalioth: he's on modem
[03:30] <nalioth> ouch
[03:30] <nalioth> thoreauputic: you are located on what continent?
[03:30] <apokryphos> good idea
[03:31] <thoreauputic> nalioth: .au - but I have restricted funds here :)
[03:31] <bimberi> what was that "Men at Work" song :)
[03:31] <haja> You Can Dance...
[03:31] <huahauha> are you guys sure i can add my emoticons to gaim (msn)
[03:31] <gigaclon> Safty Dance
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Land Down Under?
[03:31] <huahauha> ?
[03:31] <bimberi> hehe
[03:31] <cafuego> hmm, toast&vegemite
[03:31] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i'm sure i or someone can send you a disk
[03:31] <Orunitia> Is there a way I can access my home folder from a live cd?
[03:31] <cafuego> Orunitia: yep, mount the partition.
[03:32] <thoreauputic> nalioth: thanks :) We'll see when the time comes I guess :)
[03:32] <ari_> can someone please help me with those video drivers?
[03:32] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yeah, let one of us know; I'll be happy to send you the cd/dvd
[03:32] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: thanks to you too :)
[03:32] <bimberi> thoreauputic: i'd be more than happy to as well (domestic postage too)
[03:33] <IRCMonkey> hi i am new to ubuntu ... any one there can help me .. root password in ubuntu??
[03:33] <haja> How do I install .run packages?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> wow, three volunteers already...
[03:33] <apokryphos> maybe we could just start a thoreauputic-get-broadband-trust fund ;-)
[03:33] <thoreauputic> hahah
[03:33] <kevogod> !tell IRCMonkey about root
[03:33] <bimberi> thoreauputic: set up the paypal a/c now :)
[03:33] <Quinthius> is there any way to make the alt-tab list include ALL programs, not just current desktop?
[03:33] <apokryphos> registered charity, coming soon 8)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: soon,,, soon... I don't want to get it at the moment since I might need to move house (double connection fees...)
[03:34] <mebaran151> any tips on how to get vsftpd to work with openssl
[03:34] <cafuego> thoreauputic: which isp?
[03:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: yup, better not. Especially when you have kind people to send you them. :P
[03:34] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Ha. switch to Internode! They mirror ubuntu (free)
[03:34] <mebaran151> 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate
[03:34] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I would probably go for Internode, indeed
[03:35] <thoreauputic> cafuego: that's the ISP I have been considering
[03:35] <apokryphos> cafuego: what speeds do you get on that?
[03:35] <huahauha> can i add custom emoticons in gaim?
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: I'm moving out of an adsl2 area :(
[03:35] <cafuego> apokryphos: Up to 24M/sec down
[03:36] <thoreauputic> huahauha: Im sure it's possible, but no one here seems to know how
[03:36] <cafuego> apokryphos: I'll probably be getting 16 or so
[03:36] <apokryphos> wow
[03:36] <cafuego> apokryphos: it drops off with distance to exchange
[03:36] <Shikamaroo> how do i boot without yaboot?
[03:36] <cafuego> and your dsl modem needs a fast enough processor to handle it, too.
[03:36] <huahauha> :(
[03:36] <apokryphos> sure
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> apokryphos: the main difference here in australia is that telstra adsl doesn't go above 1.5mbit
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> and costs $texas
[03:37] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: $texas   ?
[03:37] <apokryphos> Broadband in UK was super-expensive until late
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> so if you upgrade to an adsl2 exchange you can get from 8mbit to 24, and it costs *LESS*
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: a lot
[03:37] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: you need yaboot or you're out of luck
[03:37] <apokryphos> fast bb, that is; standard has been dropping slowly.
[03:37] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: you can boot from teh liveCd and chroot, tho
[03:37] <cafuego> iinet do have a dsl2 dslam in my exchange
[03:37] <cafuego> but they kinda suck
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: I'm paying $70/month for 1.5mbit, if I change providers the same price gets mne a 24mbit connection
[03:37] <thoreauputic> cafuego: so I've heard
[03:37] <apokryphos> bimberi: good ol' Bulldog
[03:38] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: and you're still on 1.5?
[03:38] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: how do i do that to boot my installed version?
[03:38] <cafuego> thoreauputic: Some friends of mine have iinet; half the time I cannot ssh from their place to home for some reason.
[03:38] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB, could you help me setup of vsftpd with ssl
[03:38] <mebaran151> I keep getting an RSA cert error
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: yes because I'm about to move
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: I've never done it
[03:38] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: you wont be able to boot your installed version w/o reinstalling yaboot (i'm assuming you're on a mac)
[03:38] <mebaran151> 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: try running it with more verbosity
[03:38] <daveb_> Hi I really am in a bind. I tried doing a dual install with Ubuntu and Xp, having XP on one HD and Ubuntu on another. This failed completely and totally screwed my XP install. I asked for help here earlier and was told to do a windows repair, which i did, but resulted in me just gettting the blue screen of death over and over. Is there any way i can at least get into my XP files to back them up? I'm completely screwed and would appreciate a
[03:38] <daveb_> ny help
[03:39] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: however you can chroot into your installed linux via the liveCD
[03:39] <cafuego> nalioth: Not all exchanges have been upgraded by ISPs that don't suck. Having 24M is nice, but if it drops out ALL the time, 1.5M is nicer.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> cafuego: apparently the CEO of Internode belongs to the local LUG :)
[03:39] <mebaran151> I'm not sure it has more verbosity...
[03:39] <Vaske_Car> If I select SERVER during the installation process will it install GUI as well or just command line with server tools?
[03:39] <bimberi> Vaske_Car: the latter
[03:39] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: yes i am and every time i install it, it says it cant install yaboot
[03:39] <kevogod> daveb_: When you installed Ubuntu, did you repartition?
[03:40] <cafuego> nalioth: others do allow you adsl2 ion their equipment, but ONLY if you then use THEM for long distance phone calls as well.
[03:40] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: ah, more info
[03:40] <daveb_> I had two drives, one with XP installed and the other empty, I partioned the empty drive.
[03:40] <nalioth> cafuego: any ideas for Shikamaroo ?
[03:40] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: it is a g3 blue power pc
[03:40] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Can you boot the rescue cd and log in?
[03:40] <kevogod> daveb_: Is GRUB your bootloader?
[03:40] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: we are out of my league now, sorry
[03:41] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: what rescue cd?
[03:41] <] BreliC[> Hey
[03:41] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: the install cd.   hold on, rewind, at what point in the install are you?
[03:41] <] BreliC[> does anyone here use NoCatAuth?
[03:41] <floam> are the xorg 6.9 RC's available in Ubuntu yet?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: optus wanted to offer me adsl for a "special price" - download limit something like 1 gig - I just laughed at them ( I do more than that on dialup)
[03:41] <daveb_> it was till the windows repair, but it was erroring out every time. What I'm desperate to do now is get at my XP files and at least copy them somewhere safe
[03:41] <haja> Anyone got a guide for installing UT2004 on Linux?
[03:42] <kevogod> daveb_: Use the Windows XP CD and go to the Recovery Console. Enter 'fixmbr' and 'fixboot'. Is this what you did before?
[03:42] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: i get through the whole thing but when im installing yaboot it says it cannot install yaboot to the hard drive
[03:42] <cafuego> thoreauputic: <heh> tragic. Tesltra have recently DROPPED their limits as well. I'm just *amazed* people actually CHOOSE to use them.
[03:42] <floam> haja: you shouldn't need a guide
[03:42] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Did you let the installer create partitions for you?
[03:42] <daveb_> no, I ran the normal repair graphical method
[03:42] <kevogod> !tell kevogod about NTFS
[03:42] <floam> haja: there's an installer on the disc
[03:43] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: yes
[03:43] <kevogod> !tell daveb_ about NTFS
[03:43] <floam> haja: assuming you have 3D working, it's easy as pie to get working.
[03:43] <thoreauputic> cafuego: a lot of people are going to get a nasty shock when they listen to/ watch streaming media
[03:43] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Okay. Can you hit alt-F2 and run 'parted' ? The type 'print' and tell me whether you have a 1Mb partition in there...
[03:43] <armanmx> Ubotu: the Upgrade Line 'sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" could be type from my user terminal or must be done in a root terminal???
[03:43] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, armanmx
[03:43] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: but i made sure there was a boot partition since ive been having this problem for days
[03:43] <haja> its working, I assume I can't install it in GUI correct floam ?
[03:43] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: *nod* Does that boot partition have a name/label?
[03:43] <daveb_> Am I completely screwed?
[03:43] <Vaske_Car> Anybody familiar with partimage here?
[03:44] <floam> haja: which GUI?
[03:44] <haja> Gnome
[03:44] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: I am.
[03:44] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: do i have to go back into setup?
[03:44] <floam> haja: the installer that's on the disc is graphical
[03:44] <Vaske_Car> just one question
[03:44] <DewDude> will the linux disk partitoning utilities resize NTFS partitions or not?
[03:44] <floam> haja: make sure you install the latest patch once you have it installed
[03:44] <huahauha> can i add custom emoticons in gaim?
[03:44] <kevogod> daveb_: No, run the script I pointed you to with ubotu.
[03:44] <huahauha> :(
[03:44] <floam> haja: http://icculus.org/news/news.php?id=2337
[03:44] <apokryphos> DewDude: yes, but you should have backups ideally
[03:44] <haja> do I just run ./linux_installer.sh?
[03:44] <DewDude> hrmm
[03:44] <fblade> how do you save in nano
[03:44] <DewDude> meh
[03:44] <floam> haja: yes, as root
[03:44] <haja> ok
[03:44] <Logistics> anyone good with RAID systems?
[03:44] <] BreliC[> Has anyone here installed the NoCatAuth captive portal?
[03:44] <kevogod> daveb_: Download http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[03:44] <haja> Thanks... I'll give 'er a shot
[03:45] <haja> Just got my 3d working last night and I am so happy :P
[03:45] <DewDude> cuz i wnt to install ubuntu on my x86 machine too
[03:45] <floam> haja: :)
[03:45] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: is the setup hanging on a red screen or a menu now?
[03:45] <Vaske_Car> kevogod: it let me to store partition on network or restore an image from network. QUESTION: Does that network mean FTP or Samba protocol?
[03:45] <DewDude> and all my drives are NTFS
[03:45] <floam> haja: you'll need to have a decent video card to play the game
[03:45] <armanmx> Ubotu: to upgrade 4.10 to 5.04  I must ty this: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:45] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, armanmx
[03:45] <nalioth> DewDude: parted will shrink ntfs partitions
[03:45] <bimberi> armanmx: normal terminal will be fine (it's using sudo)
[03:45] <floam> haja: something at or over Geforce 4 level
[03:45] <kevogod> Vaske_Car: I do not believe it supports Samba.
[03:45] <haja> yeah, I got a 9800 Pro
[03:46] <Vaske_Car> so FTP?
[03:46] <DewDude> meh
[03:46] <floam> haja: ah, you're set
[03:46] <kevogod> Vaske_Car, Although I think it can be accomplished.
[03:46] <armanmx> bimberi: OK
[03:46] <floam> haja: a lot of Linux users seem upset when it doesn't work well on their Voodoo 2's :)
[03:46] <haja> 128mb, 1gb Pc3200 2600+ Mobile overclocked to 2.7ghz 215fsb
[03:46] <Marc> hi this is my first time to use irc so if im asking in the wrong place sorry, please point me in the right direction, i need help authenticating ubuntu with windows NT/2000 server
[03:46] <floam> "but quake3 runs!"
[03:46] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: it doesnt hang, it just gives me an error, then when i pressed continue after the error sed it couldnt install yaboot to hard drive it gave me a list of options and i chose continue w/o installing yaboot
[03:46] <haja> lol floam
[03:46] <Vaske_Car> kevogod: would you help me do that in case i decide to do it?
[03:47] <kevogod> "6. The network support allows to save an image file from a client, without having to configure both client and server NFS. (Network File System). When the multicast will be implemented, it will allow to restore X clients from 1 server, and DD can't do a such multicast copy."
[03:47] <bimberi> Marc: Hi and welcome!  Not sure what you mean by "authenticating"?
[03:47] <haja> What does this mean? root@MAIN:/media/cdrom # ./linux-installer.sh
[03:48] <haja> bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:48] <haja> root@MAIN:/media/cdrom #
[03:48] <haja> sorry
[03:48] <kevogod> Vaske_Car, Samba is planned for support, but not yet.
[03:48] <Vaske_Car> Any idea of when it could be?
[03:48] <Vaske_Car> I dont have expirience with NFS
[03:48] <Vaske_Car> :(
[03:48] <apokryphos> haja: don't paste in here, please.
[03:48] <haja> I kno... sorry. I thought it was going to go on one line
[03:49] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: is there a way of installing yaboot manually?
[03:49] <Marc> i posted this in the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44700, but havn't had an answer, but basicly i'm trying to do a domain logon
[03:49] <Logistics> I have a software raid1 setup for 2 of my 4 hd's,  there is multi partitions on the raid1 drive, / , /boot , /share exist on them, upon boot /share is failing, is there anyway for me to get the data from that partition without a format, or removing anything from that spec. partition?
[03:49] <haja> Do I have to copy the installer file to my home dir?
[03:49] <kevogod> Vaske_Car, I am kind of working on an XSLT transformation right now so I do not have enough time to explain everything.
[03:49] <daveb_> Okay, how do I run it, from the terminal? then after that, what?
[03:50] <Vaske_Car> np
[03:50] <apokryphos> haja: sh linux-installer.sh
[03:50] <kevogod> daveb_: type sudo sh path/to/file
[03:50] <kevogod> err
[03:50] <kevogod> daveb_: type sudo bash path/to/file
[03:51] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me? i need to know if i can install yaboot manually
[03:51] <haja> I see
[03:51] <haja> :D
[03:51] <kevogod> so I would cd to the directory and type: sudo bash winmac_fstab
[03:51] <Marc> does it sound do able? am i asking in the right place?
[03:51] <haja> I feel like such an idoit with Linux lol
[03:51] <kevogod> "idoit"
[03:51] <kevogod> ha
[03:52] <haja> I can't type very well :P
[03:52] <armanmx> Thanks for the help, upgrade did not work
[03:52] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help >.< i really need help getting ubuntu to work
[03:52] <apokryphos> armanmx: well, what was the problem?
[03:53] <haja> Thank you apokryphos and floam
[03:53] <armanmx> some resourse temporarily unavailable
[03:53] <daveb_> cool that worked, I'm able to access my files and will start backing up. I suppose i can't remove the live cd file while I'm running the live version correct?
[03:53] <bimberi> Marc: Unfortunately that's out of my league.  There might be others here who know so it could be the right place.  Otherwise you might go better in a samba channel or mailing list.
[03:53] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: yes you can
[03:53] <bimberi> Marc: I like how you included backup scripts in your post :)
[03:53] <apokryphos> armanmx: can you pastebin the error output?
[03:54] <kevogod> daveb_, Well... You might be able to unmount it and then eject it... but your experience might degrade.
[03:54] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: how?
[03:54] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: you need to follow this wiki up to the point of starting to install grub
[03:54] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:54] <daveb_> I'll try it
[03:54] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: this will mork on mac?
[03:55] <TokenBad> hmmm
[03:55] <haja> I get this error when I try to eject the cd http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1941
[03:55] <TokenBad> this is still weird
[03:55] <kevogod> Boot loaders on a Mac?
[03:55] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: you need to chroot as in the wiki article, but we will be installing yaboot instead of grub
[03:55] <nalioth> kevogod: yes, yaboot
[03:55] <daveb_> no you can't. I' have a USB flash drive..it'll have to do
[03:55] <Marc> thanks bimberi, i have used the backup scripts a lot & i guess that anyone who trys to make this work will you them to, will try the samba channel thanks
[03:55] <mik3> anyone want to try to tackle my broken apt system?
[03:55] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: ok ill try this
[03:56] <apokryphos> mik3: no-one can without knowing the actual problem. :)
[03:56] <mik3> alright let me fire up the ubuntu past bin
[03:56] <kevogod> daveb_: Try: sudo umount -f /dev/cdrom from the terminal
[03:56] <TokenBad> has a new version of ubuntu been released?
[03:57] <kevogod> TokenBad, Colony 4 although it is not a RELEASE
[03:57] <armanmx> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)                                                             E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: October full release
[03:57] <apokryphos> armanmx: close any instances of synaptic
[03:57] <Pickle_Weasel> armanmx, do you have synaptic open? -_-
[03:57] <armanmx> yes
[03:57] <thoreauputic> armanmx: close whatever other instance of apt you are using
[03:57] <Pickle_Weasel> you need to close it
[03:57] <kevogod> Close it! :-)
[03:58] <TokenBad> ok so the colony 4 is out..but not an official release..next month will be a official full release?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> armanmx: synaptic uses dpkg/apt
[03:58] <kevogod> TokenBad, Yes.
[03:58] <apokryphos> TokenBad: October 13th, yes.
[03:58] <armanmx> oh my god, it's working :D
[03:58] <TokenBad> ok...
[03:58] <Pickle_Weasel> praise the linux gods \o/
[03:59] <tga> mm, new release
[04:00] <mik3> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas?
[04:00] <armanmx> mmm, I do not waht to be a guru, just learn little more, WHERE??? I'm tire from windows
[04:00] <Shikamaroo> nalioth: should i be doing the automatic or manual? and do i just replace grub with yaboot everywhere?
[04:00] <Prower> Hello everyone :> Maybe someone here might know...is there an apt-* command that you can use to remove stale dependencies (i.e. packages that were installed to satisfy dependencies of something that isn't installed any more?)
[04:01] <apokryphos> armanmx: wiki.ubuntu.com is a great place to start. The rute guide is also good
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Prower: install deborphan and debfoster
[04:01] <apokryphos> !rute
[04:01] <ubotu> somebody said rute was a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[04:01] <daveb_> No, it said "device not mounted" but won't let me eject. I've got a 512 meg usb drive that'll work for now
[04:01] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Yaboot
[04:01] <Prower> thoreauputic: Hmm...okay, thanks
[04:02] <armanmx> THANKS, the system is upgrating
[04:02] <apokryphos> =)
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Prower: alternatively use aptitude instead of apt for installing/uninstalling
[04:02] <nalioth> Shikamaroo: read this also: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Prower: it's smarter about dependencies
[04:03] <Prower> thoreauputic: Hmm...can you switch from one to the other without problems, or do you need to be using it from the start more or less?
[04:03] <kevogod> daveb_, I do not know where the CD mounts to since I have only briefly used the Live CD, sorry.
[04:03] <daveb_> it's cool, as long as I can get at the files and move them somehow, I'm a lot hoappier than I was before
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Prower: from what I see, you need to consistently use aptitude if you want all the advantages
[04:04] <thoreauputic> (apt doesn't know about what aptitude does)
[04:05] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: not always an advantage ;-), particularly when an app recommends language packs. You'll get every language possible. 8)
[04:05] <Prower> thoreauputic: Ahh, I see...thanks, I'll probably use the two previous programs then
[04:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: good pont
[04:05] <thoreauputic> *point
[04:06] <thoreauputic> Prower: persoanlly I use apt-get (more out of habit than anything)
[04:06] <apokryphos> apt-get also doesn't flood terminal by telling me *everytime* how many packs it's holding back for me :P
[04:06] <communico> cafuego: thanks for your excellent help, we've got the network all working now. Now we're just trying to figure out how to access the computers other harddiscs. there are six installed in total, four in a RAID configuration. when I click on places, my computer, should they all show up as separate icons?
[04:07] <DarkFuture> can u go inside ya hardrive with a live cd?
[04:07] <cafuego> communico: it's odd, but probably, yes. To access them, chosoe 'Filesystem' and then navigate to where you mounted the raid array.
[04:08] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: You can boot the cd with the rescue command, then access your install partition. There *is* one thing you will need to do before installing yaboot.
[04:08] <DarkFuture> is it possible to view the hard drive with a live cd
[04:09] <marccd> is mysql broken obn breezy?
[04:09] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Once the rescue boot is up, you need to switch to terminal 2 and run the follwing command: mount -o bind /proc /target/proc
[04:09] <kevogod> DarkFuture, Yes.
[04:09] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: what is that i need?
[04:09] <kevogod> DarkFuture, At least the partitions on the hard drive.
[04:09] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: ok
[04:09] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: that will make /proc available in the rescue shell; it's required for finding the open firmware path to your boot partition, which yaboot needs.
[04:10] <armanmx> see you Guys, again THANKS FOR THE HELP (B)
[04:10] <DarkFuture> kevogod my windows hd got a virus and it wont start up but i need the info thats inside so how will i get into it with a the live cd
[04:10] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: It really SHOULD do that automatically, but the one here didn't last night...
[04:11] <spanglesontoast>  is there anything in doze and linux that you can connect to the sysklogd and read the stuff that gets added to certain logs?
[04:11] <kevogod> !tell DarkFuture about NTFS
[04:11] <mik3> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas?
[04:12] <mik3> !repositories
[04:12] <ubotu> repositories is probably probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:12] <marccd> is mysql broken in breezy?
[04:12] <NoHope> hello all
[04:13] <NoHope> hey, I updagraded my mozilla-thunderbird and it doesn't start no more!!! Have you heard something about it?
[04:13] <kevogod> DarkFuture: Download the winmac_fstab file from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab and then from the terminal, cd to the directory that contains the script and run: sudo bash winmac_fstab
[04:13] <communico> cafuego: the drives were set up in the bios, but I don't think they've been mounted. i'm a little fuzzy on how I use the mount command
[04:13] <huahauha> can i add custom emoticons in gaim?
[04:14] <peanut> my wireless card doesent work
[04:14] <Jaivaz> Is there a way to skin Synaptic?
[04:14] <h17m4n> when running as chroot on terminal, does it show as root@ubuntu?
[04:14] <bur[n] er> anyone else finding that rhythmbox segfaults if you do a search for anything in breezy
[04:14] <mik3> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas?
[04:14] <Jaivaz> It looks odd when you compare it's brightness to the overall darkness of my screen
[04:15] <kevogod> DarkFuture: You get that?
[04:15] <huahauha> can i add custom emoticons in gaim? :(???
[04:15] <peanut> how do i get my wirelesscard working?
[04:16] <regeya> weekends are hell.
[04:16] <durt> peanut,  what kind of card?
[04:16] <peanut> acer ipn 2000
[04:16] <huahauha> mik3, just do apt-get update again
[04:16] <DarkFuture> kevogod yea but i cant find the installer(im kinda a linux newb)
[04:16] <Prower> huahauha: Yes, you can :> I'm not sure how offhand though, but there are emoticon packs out for it
[04:16] <NoHope> any thunderbird user? I'm having problems... thunderbird 1.0.6 doesn't start...
[04:16] <Freddy9517> hi, is there a way to get a binary clock that can be put as object to the panel?
[04:16] <huahauha> prower , but my contacts will see them?
[04:17] <cafuego> thoreauputic: ooer
[04:17] <bur[n] er> i'm a t-bird user... any error messages NoHope?
[04:17] <bur[n] er> NoHope: sure it's not already running?
[04:17] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: ok im in the shell now and i typed in what u told me to, now what?
[04:17] <NoHope> bur[n] er, yap. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1943
[04:17] <bur[n] er> NoHope: breezy?
[04:17] <Prower> huahauha: That I'm not sure about...I guess it would depend on whether or not their client can auto-download emoticons, I think the normal MSN client can
[04:17] <NoHope> no. Hoary.
[04:18] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I made a mistake removing a ban ;)
[04:18] <durt> peaut, have you tried ndiswrapper?
[04:18] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I don't know if Ubuntu has taken Breezy files when I upgraded.
[04:18] <bur[n] er> uhh... those image issues relate to an incomplete gtk theme?  try chaning themes?
[04:18] <mik3> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas? (repeating apt-get update, doing apt-get clean, does not fix it.)
[04:18] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Now switch back to alt-F1 and install yaboot.
[04:18] <peanut> ihave a 64 bit
[04:18] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I will.
[04:18] <omp342> i'm downloading hoary right now.. what's a good program to burn the iso? :)
[04:19] <huahauha> prower , cause i know there are emoticons themes but what i want is something like i can add my own icons like in msn 6 i think
[04:19] <peanut> it wont install
[04:19] <bur[n] er> NoHope: where'd you get the 1.06 version from?  is it officially in hoary now?
[04:19] <cafuego> omp342: On what OS?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> omp342: graveman
[04:19] <omp342> cafuego: gentoo
[04:19] <h17m4n> when running as chroot on terminal, does it show as root@ubuntu?
[04:19] <Prower> huahauha: Yeah, I'm not sure whether or not you can do that...might be a good idea to ask in the gaim channel itself, they'd have a better idea :>
[04:19] <bur[n] er> omp342: gnomebaker, k3b, nautilus, command-line
[04:19] <cafuego> omp342: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -v -eject -data hoary-i386.iso
[04:19] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I just opened synaptic and applyed the upgrades.
[04:19] <huahauha> ok
[04:19] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: how do i install it? >.<
[04:19] <omp342> cafuego: okay thanks
[04:19] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: 'apt-get install yaboot'
[04:19] <NoHope> bur[n] er, is hoary repos mixed with breezy repos?
[04:19] <huahauha> prower: im going to ask, ty
[04:20] <DarkFuture> kevogod: yea but i cant find the installer(im kinda a linux newb)
[04:20] <bur[n] er> NoHope: no, shouldn't be
[04:20] <NoHope> uhm...
[04:20] <durt> peanut, have you tried to install it?
[04:20] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I changed the theme, anything happens.
[04:20] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: apt-get: not found
[04:20] <peanut> yes it only is for i386
[04:20] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: woo!
[04:20] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: can it find 'dpkg' ?
[04:21] <durt> are you using a deb package peanut?
[04:21] <peanut> yes
[04:21] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: nope
[04:21] <NoHope> bur[n] er, is it possible to return to an older version? 1.0.2 have worked well.
[04:21] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Ugh. Which terminal are you in? 1 or 2?
[04:21] <durt> then just compile from source peanut
[04:21] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: 1
[04:21] <fblade> i've lost my MBR can anyone help me fix it cus i cant loggin into linux or anything
[04:21] <peanut> im sort of a newbe how? durt
[04:21] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: Does '/usr/bin/dpkg' work?
[04:22] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: is it okay if i mounted in terminal 1?
[04:22] <bur[n] er> NoHope: find the .deb, it's not a painless task
[04:22] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: does /proc show up if you type 'df' in terminal 1?
[04:22] <NoHope> bur[n] er, right. thx.
[04:22] <bur[n] er> NoHope: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:22] <fblade> how can i fix my master boot recored
[04:22] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: no >.<
[04:23] <bur[n] er> fblade: re-run grub?
[04:23] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: No, that should have been typed into 2, not 1. 1 is *in* the chroot, 2 is outside it.
[04:23] <NoHope> bur[n] er, how to download breezy?
[04:23] <bur[n] er> NoHope: don't yet ;)
[04:23] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: so i haveto reboot?
[04:23] <peanut> fblade use your ubuntu cd
[04:23] <cafuego> NoHope: Not, if you don't know.
[04:23] <wickedpuppy> hey guys where can i find init file ? its not in / or sbin/init
[04:23] <peanut> and reinstall grub
[04:23] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: No, justt ype it into terminal 2.
[04:23] <NoHope> bur[n] er, cafuego, I know it's beta yet.
[04:24] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: type what?
[04:24] <NoHope> bur[n] er, cafuego, don't you think it's a good idea to test and report bugs?
[04:24] <bur[n] er> yeah, just wait a short while longer
[04:24] <h17m4n> I ran sudo mount -a and I got: mount: mount point /chroot/usr/share/fonts does not exist
[04:24] <h17m4n> Any ideas?
[04:24] <bur[n] er> NoHope: it is, but you may want to learn some more troubleshooting techniques first ;)
[04:24] <mik3> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas? (repeating apt-get update, doing apt-get clean, does not fix it.) this seems to be a large problem in the ubuntu community based on my google discoveries, does anyone have any insight for me?
[04:24] <durt> see this page peanut: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[04:25] <NoHope> bur[n] er, yap, you are right.
[04:25] <peanut> fblade this is how http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[04:25] <peanut> thanks durt
[04:26] <bur[n] er> NoHope: you can always try running thunderbird as another user to see if it's a problem with your profile?
[04:26] <bur[n] er> NoHope: also try chaning your gtk theme
[04:26] <NoHope> bur[n] er, uhm good idea. I will try with root. I tried changing my gtk theme, but anything happened.
[04:27] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: there is udpkg use this?
[04:27] <NoHope> bur[n] er, root can't run thunderbird, either.
[04:27] <angel12> hey, im currently running hoary on amd64, and whenever i try to write files to a usb drive, it doesnt stick, like it wont stay on unless i do it (copy the file) many times. This happens with my ipod, my usb sd card reader, and my external hd
[04:27] <NoHope> what's the differences between hoary and hoary-backports?
[04:27] <h17m4n> is ok for me to copy the /usr/share/fonts to /chroot/usr/share/fonts?
[04:27] <cafuego> Shikamaroo: udpkg should only be available in the installer, not on the system...*ponder*
[04:27] <h17m4n> is it*
[04:27] <Demon_stroke> hey guyz
[04:28] <Demon_stroke> I cant get my ubuntu on the internet
[04:28] <Demon_stroke> can someone walk me through it
[04:28] <angel12> Demon_stroke, what are you trying to use
[04:28] <omp342> Demon_stroke: what's so hard about downloading it?
[04:28] <h17m4n> Question: Is it ok for me to copy the /usr/share/fonts to /chroot/usr/share/fonts?
[04:28] <angel12> omp342, i think he means he cannot connect
[04:29] <omp342> oh
[04:29] <Demon_stroke> i meant, i got my DSL modem, and wen i plug it into the other comp, how do i get it to work
[04:29] <bur[n] er> NoHope: awww, if you're using backports, you can remove it from sources.list, remove thunderbird and reinstall using official hoary repos
[04:29] <omp342> never mind :)
[04:29] <omp342> i didn't read it good
[04:29] <FR500> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, my hoary cds just arrive
[04:29] <FR500> lol
[04:29] <angel12> nice
[04:29] <bur[n] er> FR500: just in time for breezy ;)
[04:29] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: the setup thing made me use some fallback shell, maybe this is y?
[04:29] <FR500> yes
[04:29] <durt> angel12: try unmounting before disconnecting
[04:29] <angel12> Demon_stroke, what do you mean?
[04:29] <ugo> is breezy out!!!?
[04:29] <omp342> Demon_stroke: are you using a router?
[04:29] <FR500> ugo: soon
[04:29] <dreamie> what is the package for xfce?
[04:29] <ugo> *hopeful*
[04:29] <dreamie> how can i install it
[04:29] <angel12> durt, that would be a great idea, lol, i actually never thought of that, lol thanks, will give it a try
[04:30] <ugo> k...
[04:30] <nalioth> dreamie: in a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install xfce4"
[04:30] <Demon_stroke> Ok, im used to windows, were i plug in my DSL modem into the computer, (directly plug dsl modem in), and it doesnt work,
[04:30] <ugo> how do i install the developer man pages
[04:30] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I see no "backports" in sources.list. Just multiverse, universe...
[04:30] <Demon_stroke> were as windows does it for me
[04:30] <angel12> Demon_stroke, it should work with ubuntu if you have it set up right, via dhcp
[04:30] <NoHope> bur[n] er, deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable ucf ?
[04:30] <omp342> Demon_stroke: i just plug mine into the router and it works
[04:30] <dreamie> hmm
[04:30] <omp342> cable
[04:30] <dreamie> can not find package
[04:30] <darksoul> is there a sudo command to get a flash maker on kubuntu
[04:31] <Demon_stroke> ok lemmi get a pen and a peice of paper, can u guyz walk me thorugh setting it up
[04:31] <Answer> To setup networking use commands  ifconfig iwconfig dhclient
[04:31] <peanut> demon Stroke, try rebooting
[04:31] <ugo> how do i install the developer man pages
[04:31] <dreamie> nalioth, couldnt find package xfce4
[04:31] <angel12> is it possible to run 32bit binaries on amd64 port?
[04:31] <ugo> aptitude ?
[04:31] <professor_chaos> Demon_stroke, go to System->Administration->Networking  and make sure your connection is set to DHCP
[04:31] <omp342> i tried xfce4 a few days ago, it was horrible :)
[04:31] <[Chameleon] > angel12: yes.
[04:31] <zcat[1] > dsl modem is network or USB?
[04:31] <nalioth> dreamie: enable your repos and update your apt
[04:31] <angel12> Demon_stroke, try ifup eth0
[04:31] <nalioth> !tell dreamie about sources
[04:31] <darksoul> ??
[04:32] <darksoul> is there a sudo apt-get install command for flash makers
[04:32] <skalpel> can someone give me an idea why amarok would sudenly stop playing my music files?
[04:32] <Demon_stroke> through the terminal
[04:32] <Answer> Network Config: ifconfig iwconfig dhclient
[04:32] <dreamie> nalioth, i am in console
[04:32] <dreamie> nalioth, how do i do it in console
[04:32] <Demon_stroke> interface etho is alredy configured
[04:32] <peanut> demon stroke, yes
[04:33] <darksoul> how do i get a flash maker thru sudo apt-get install commands
[04:33] <Demon_stroke> ok lemmi do that, so ill lose my connection in this irc for a momment
[04:33] <zcat[1] > assuming it's not a USB modem..
[04:34] <Demon_stroke> plugs into my ethernet card
[04:34] <zcat[1] > good
[04:34] <Demon_stroke> so just plug in and reboot and itll work automatically?
[04:34] <gusto5> hello #ubuntu
[04:34] <Answer> Demon_stroke: ifconfig iwconfig dhclient
[04:34] <Shikamaroo> cafuego: can u tell me how to setup yaboot using the live cd?
[04:34] <zcat[1] > Answer: iWconfig? for a network card?
[04:34] <gusto5> can anyone guide me through a samba setup?
[04:34] <Answer> zcat: ifconfig for ethernet, iwconfig for wireless
[04:35] <gusto5> other than directing me to ubuntuguide.org...
[04:35] <omp342> if i am installing the i386 version on an athlon 64 comp, would i need to change anything for it to work fine? :)
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> !samba
[04:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:35] <Demon_stroke> brb
[04:35] <h17m4n> cp: omitting directory `/usr/share/fonts'
[04:35] <Answer> If ifconfig shows IP Address for ethN you are connected to the DHCP server (cable modem or routeR).
[04:35] <gusto5> thank you, HrdwrBoB
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[04:35] <NoHope> ubotu tell me about deb
[04:36] <h17m4n> thats what I got when running this: root@ubuntu:~# cp /usr/share/fonts /chroot/usr/share/fonts
[04:36] <h17m4n> !deb
[04:36] <ubotu> No idea, h17m4n
[04:36] <zcat[1] > If it's plugged in and serving dhcp, the box should get a lease exactly the same way Windows does.
[04:36] <NoHope> ops... some tip about how to install a local deb package?
[04:36] <[Chameleon] > NoHope: dpkg
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> !dpkg
[04:37] <ubotu> well, dpkg is the Debian Package Manager.  To install a local deb file, cd into the directory where it is located, then: 'sudo dpkg --install <package_filename.deb>'.  For more info on other dpkg options: 'man dpkg'
[04:37] <skpl> can someone tell me wy amarok would suddenyl stop playing music files?
[04:37] <NoHope> [Chameleon] , thx.
[04:37] <professor_chaos> NoHope, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[04:37] <h17m4n> can anyone help me copy /usr/share/fonts to /chroot/usr/share/fonts?
[04:37] <h17m4n> how do I force it to cp?
[04:37] <blrich> anyone here use xfce on ubuntu? can you tell me where the Terminal app is?
[04:37] <nalioth> NoHope: the program you want isnt in the repos?
[04:38] <skpl> what is xfce?
[04:38] <zcat[1] > My first advice for getting any hardware working under ubuntu is "plug it in, and see if it's working already" - so often things are autodetected and just come up by themselves, even stuff that would need drivers installed for Windows
[04:38] <[Chameleon] > h17m4n: sudo cp -a /usr/share/fonts/. /chroot/usr/share/fonts/
[04:38] <[Chameleon] > skpl: an alternative graphical desktop environment.
[04:38] <NoHope> nalioth, yes it is. thunderbird 1.0.6, but it's not working for me. I'm trying to reinstall.
[04:38] <skalpel> [Chameleon] : how do i install it?
[04:38] <durt> it should be in one of the menus in xfce
[04:39] <h17m4n> wow thx [Chameleon] , that worked
[04:39] <Xorlev> Easier method of compiling kernels: put the kernels in the microwave for ~2 1/2 minutes, put in blender with water, then dump on PC. Its that simple.
[04:39] <[Chameleon] > h17m4n: groovy
[04:39] <zcat[1] > ubuntu surprised the hell out of me; my camera and mp3 player that took ages to figure out in debian just pop up in the desktop with ubuntu!
[04:39] <NoHope> bur[n] er, I download the deb package and now it's working very well. thx.
[04:39] <nalioth> NoHope: i dont think its the program, have you moved the ~/.thunderbird or ~/.mozilla-thunderbird to soemwhere else and tried again?
[04:40] <nalioth> NoHope: it may be an extension causing failure
[04:40] <NoHope> nalioth, no.
[04:40] <NoHope> nalioth, I reinstallled it, and now it's working welll...
[04:40] <Mr-Falkor> hum
[04:40] <Mr-Falkor> my XMMS is freezing alot
[04:40] <ugo> please could someone tell me the package for the developer manpage in ubtu
[04:41] <Mr-Falkor> when IM change to a song
[04:41] <bur[n] er> NoHope: good work :)
[04:41] <nalioth> NoHope: ah
[04:41] <Mr-Falkor> Can someone help me with my xmms ?:)
[04:41] <mik3> try beep-media-player
[04:41] <NoHope> Mr-Falkor, beep-media-player is a lot better than xmms.
[04:41] <durt> no its not
[04:42] <imterro> do you get banned if you say w1nd0ws?
[04:42] <NoHope> durt, it's relative. for me it is...
[04:42] <mik3> i think it is.
[04:42] <blunted> ok how do i change my Grub menu so that i can boot my win 98 hard drive
[04:42] <mik3> Mr-Falkor : sudo apt-get install bmp
[04:42] <Mr-Falkor> mik3, bmp ?
[04:42] <Mr-Falkor> mik3, ah
[04:42] <Mr-Falkor> nvm
[04:42] <NoHope> Mr-Falkor, beep-media-player
[04:42] <Mr-Falkor> gonna try it
[04:42] <mik3> i think that's the activator for beep-media-player, i may be wrong tho
[04:43] <bur[n] er> mik3: i think you're wrong ;)
[04:43] <NoHope> I'm not sure, but I think bmp works directly with alsa, while xmms works with oss.
[04:43] <Mr-Falkor> Apt could not find bmp
[04:43] <mik3> bur[n] er teehee
[04:43] <Mr-Falkor> ah
[04:43] <Mr-Falkor> found it
[04:43] <ezenu> wish i could get bmp to work ;(
[04:44] <blunted> yo
[04:44] <blunted> who can help me
[04:44] <mik3> i love bmp
[04:44] <blunted> so that i can boot my 2nd hard drive
[04:44] <Kyral> It should have done that on setup
[04:44] <blunted> i didnt have the disk on setup
[04:45] <ezenu> my OSS sound doesn't work. in BMP, the only available output is OSS. XMMS works for me cause I can use ALSA
[04:45] <Kyral> but beyond that I can't edit a grubconf to save my life
[04:45] <ezenu> so.. how do I change BMP to use alsa
[04:45] <Mr-Falkor> oh,.. bmp look just like xmms :D
[04:45] <ezenu> yea, but i can minimize bmp to system tray.. can't do that with xmms
[04:46] <ezenu> i sortof can, but it stays in window list thing at bottom
[04:46] <zcat[1] > I'm sure there's a plugin for docking xmms
[04:46] <ezenu> there is.. and mine is activated, but its window is still on bottom part
[04:47] <ezenu> even when it is 'docked' to sys tray
[04:47] <zcat[1] > hmm..
[04:47] <ezenu> someone on forums posted a solution... but it was for KDE & I don't know how to access those options with gnome
[04:47] <zcat[1] > I only ever shrink it down and leave it up the top of the desktop..
[04:49] <blunted> can anyone help me change my grub config?
[04:49] <blunted> !grub
[04:49] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:49] <[Chameleon] > blunted: I can
[04:49] <mik3> !gzip
[04:49] <ubotu> mik3: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:49] <durt> just get gxmms
[04:49] <blunted> ok
[04:49] <blunted> i have just added a new hd to this machine
[04:50] <blunted> it has windows on it
[04:50] <blunted> how do i make it so i can select it to boot
[04:50] <Mr-Falkor> Where can I find bmp skins ?:)
[04:50] <Mr-Falkor> Can I use xmms skins on bmp ?
[04:50] <blunted> its not on the grub menu
[04:50] <durt> blunted try system>admin>boot
[04:50] <regeya> Mr-Falkor, xmms and classic winamp skins will work in bmp
[04:51] <[Chameleon] > durt: would that work if he didn't have Windows present when Linux was being installed?
[04:51] <Mr-Falkor> regeya, thnx
[04:51] <blunted> the disk is mounted
[04:51] <blunted> so if i go to Places
[04:51] <[Chameleon] > blunted: that first link provided by ubotu will help you get it fixed.
[04:51] <blunted> then computer
[04:51] <Mr-Falkor> so,.. what bmp do that xmms cant do ?
[04:51] <ezenu> minimize to tray completely
[04:51] <Mr-Falkor> non-freezing ?:P
[04:51] <Mr-Falkor> oh,, two things
[04:52] <regeya> btw, the xmms-mad plugin has been ported to bmp; it just has the slight problem of having a goofy nonstandard i18n lib attached to it.  someone should take a look at it, and that someone should be someone who uses bmp on a regular basis. *wink*
[04:52] <durt> you can create a new boot image with boot manager cant you?
[04:53] <durt> has the mplayer plugin for xmms been known to work with bmp?
[04:53] <transparentdream> hey
[04:53] <transparentdream> need help
[04:53] <transparentdream> How do i tell if cupsd is working?
[04:53] <transparentdream> because i cant prin for some reason now
[04:54] <claint> any reason why my ubuntu thinks the hoary packages cannot be authenticated? did I lose my key or something?
[04:54] <ezenu> hmm. i just installed like 30 libs and other junk from synaptic & now bmp works
[04:54] <nalioth> claint: you may not be using correct repos
[04:54] <blunted> that link didnt help
[04:54] <blunted> it tells me how to increase the grub timeout for pressing ESC
[04:54] <ezenu> think it might've been the OSS ALSA wrapper.. where alsa actually does the work but appears to be oss
[04:54] <claint> nalioth: what are the correct repos then?
[04:55] <transparentdream> My printer isn;t working!! How do I check if CUPS is on?
[04:55] <Kyral> !cups
[04:55] <ubotu> Kyral: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:55] <claint> Kyral: ;-p
[04:55] <transparentdream> cups not found
[04:55] <durt> sys>admin>services
[04:55] <claint> transparentdream : check port 6700?
[04:55] <[Chameleon] > blunted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows  search for "#If you're reading this guide, you probably want this"
[04:56] <transparentdream> well it worked before, why would it stop now?
[04:56] <transparentdream> something with cupsd
[04:56] <transparentdream> is it like reboot cupsd
[04:56] <transparentdream> or what
[04:56] <Kyral> sudo cupsd start?
[04:56] <[Chameleon] > blunted: and durt is right... System > Administration > Boot    will be very helpful.
[04:57] <[Chameleon] > durt: thx
[04:57] <blahblahblah> ok new plan
[04:57] <claint> transparentdream : check your /etc/init.d, and see if cups is there.
[04:57] <blunted> i,
[04:57] <blunted> er
[04:57] <transparentdream> how do i do that?
[04:57] <blahblahblah> net wont work on it, nothing else is working, im getting mad
[04:57] <blunted> i dont have that in my System menu :\
[04:57] <blahblahblah> so how do i take it off
[04:57] <[Chameleon] > blunted: are you running Hoary or Breezy?
[04:57] <blunted> hoary
[04:57] <claint> transparentdream : ls /etc/init.d
[04:57] <Madpilot> well, that's cool - discovered that digicams work seamlessly in gThumb... good to know, esp. as the camera in question won't talk to Win98 at all...
[04:57] <aru> blunted: what are you trying to do?
[04:58] <[Chameleon] > blunted: oh, yeah, it's not in Hoary by default.
[04:58] <blahblahblah> hey ppl, how do i take ubuntu off my comp and install windows
[04:58] <transparentdream> cupsys is there
[04:58] <regeya> rofflecopters.
[04:58] <transparentdream> not cups
[04:58] <[Chameleon] > aru: add a Windows partition boot section in Grub.
[04:58] <blunted> im trying to make it where i can boot my windows hard drive
[04:58] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, it's unavailable
[04:58] <[Chameleon] > blunted: it's on that page man.
[04:58] <blahblahblah> its wut
[04:58] <Madpilot> blahblahblah: why would you want to do something like that?
[04:58] <aru> yeah boot isnt in that menu :)
[04:58] <bimberi> transparentdream: see if cups is running with "ps auxw | grep cupsd" (look for any result other than "grep cupsd")
[04:59] <blahblahblah> because ubuntu doesnt work like its supposed to, i dont know why, ive tried everything
[04:59] <[Chameleon] > aru: not in Hoary, but it is in Breezy
[04:59] <blahblahblah> maybe itsmy comp,
[04:59] <blahblahblah> i dunno
[04:59] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, it's 'by design' new ubuntu feature - sorry :)
[04:59] <aru> blahblahblah: lets start with what the problem is
[04:59] <[Chameleon] > aru: I actually installed that Boot manager in Hoary, but I think it's a bit much for blunted right now.
[04:59] <[Chameleon] > blunted: I'll walk you through editing your Grub config file in a private chat window.
[04:59] <aru> maybe
[04:59] <blahblahblah> first off, how do i trash ubuntu and get windows on
[04:59] <claint> transparentdream : you are better off asking your questions here and not personal messaging me. especially not flooding me with your messages.
[04:59] <bur[n] er> blahblahblah: try the #windows support channel ;)
[05:00] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, first please tell us what doesn;t work ?
[05:00] <Mr-Falkor> There is one thing I do NOT understand,.. Why is there so many distro ? I mean, its all the same packages and just a new logo !
[05:00] <blahblahblah> internet wont work on it
[05:00] <transparentdream> oh sorry
[05:00] <Teez> Hey everyone, Just curious -- how do I get my SoundBlaster Audigy 2 working under Ubuntu, what do I need?
[05:00] <ian> Mr-Falkor: free will?
[05:00] <bur[n] er> Mr-Falkor: more to it than that
[05:00] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, what kind of internet connectivity you got?
[05:00] <transparentdream> When I installed it, it printed a test page fine.
[05:00] <transparentdream> Now it doesnt want to work
[05:00] <bimberi> transparentdream: see if cups is running with "ps auxw | grep cupsd" (look for any result other than "grep cupsd")
[05:01] <aru> Teez: should work out of the box, mine does... do you get any sound at all?
[05:01] <Teez> Nope, no sound at all, tried messing with it via alsamixergui too.
[05:01] <blahblahblah> dsl,
[05:01] <bur[n] er> Teez: usb perchance?
[05:01] <transparentdream> cupsys is running
[05:01] <Teez> Nope...
[05:01] <aru> Teez: speakers plugged in :)
[05:01] <EricB> Hi, I heard that there is no root account in Ubuntu. I'm interested in running a server but I don't want users to be able to use the sudo command.
[05:01] <Mr-Falkor> OK :] 
[05:01] <Teez> And yes, I just reformatted from windows, everything was working 100%
[05:01] <tritium> EricB, then don't give them sudo priveleges
[05:01] <aj_calrissian> damn I love linux!!!!
[05:01] <Madpilot> EricB: you can set users up w/o sudoer privs
[05:01] <bur[n] er> EricB: only users in the /etc/sudoers file can use sudo
[05:01] <aru> Teez: I have to ask, some times thats really the problem
[05:02] <Teez> heheh
[05:02] <EricB> Ok, thank you.
[05:02] <tritium> and don't add them to the admin group
[05:02] <aj_calrissian> I'm finally starting to get the hang of it!!!
[05:02] <bur[n] er> lol
[05:02] <bimberi> transparentdream: try checking the status of your printer via System -> Admin -> Printing
[05:02] <Mr-Falkor> hum,.. Iam boored,.. can somebody recommend me something to do ? (nothing with computers)
[05:02] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, ok its propably usb dsl modem?
[05:02] <transparentdream> it says ready
[05:02] <Teez> lspci shows 0000:02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[05:02] <blahblahblah> no ethernet
[05:02] <tritium> Mr-Falkor, how can life possible afford anybody time to be bored?
[05:02] <blunted> lol
[05:02] <transparentdream> it also says open device failed
[05:02] <aj_calrissian> Mr-falkor, if you're bored of your computer you can give it to me!
[05:02] <Cashel> Anyone know about glade2perl or how I can get glade to write perl directly? Coulda sworn it did...
[05:02] <blunted> they can't help you with sound here dude
[05:02] <claint> Mr-Falkor : beer?
[05:02] <tritium> s/possible/possibly
[05:02] <blunted> i've tried
[05:02] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, hmmm then it should work without any problem
[05:03] <ian> Mr-Falkor: go for a walk
[05:03] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, you get IP with dhcp or you got static?
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> tritium, dunno !:P
[05:03] <h17m4n> I got chroot working woot
[05:03] <anomaly> Mr-Falkor set up a paper cup 10ft away from you. then using only a rubberband and a quarter, find out how many times you can shoot the quarter into the cup with cup being vertical.
[05:03] <blahblahblah> i dont know
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> aj_calrissian, nope ;)
[05:03] <bimberi> Mr-Falkor: beer while walking :)
[05:03] <blahblahblah> will it show here on my xp
[05:03] <aj_calrissian> ahh man!
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> claint, dont drinking
[05:03] <aj_calrissian> :P
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> ian, to lazy :P
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> bimberi, hehe !:)
[05:03] <Mr-Falkor> :P
[05:03] <h17m4n> running AMD64 ubuntu and about to chroot 32 bit firefox with FLASH
[05:04] <bur[n] er> blahblahblah: you have a router? cable modem?
[05:04] <claint> Mr-Falkor : "dont drinking"? I think you have been already ;-p
[05:04] <transparentdream> Why isn;t my printer working? It says it's ready but oculd not open device
[05:04] <Mr-Falkor> claint, damn,.. you got me there !
[05:04] <blahblahblah> Cable modem
[05:04] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, first take a look on your windows config
[05:04] <bur[n] er> you have dhcp
[05:04] <Teez> So -- what should I try to get sound working? I've tried everything (under my limited linux driver knowlege) I can think of to get it working...
[05:04] <bur[n] er> 9 times out of 10, it's dhcp with cable modems
[05:04] <blahblahblah> static ip and ip subnet mask is shown
[05:05] <bur[n] er> well blow me down
[05:05] <Teez> I dont even hear ubuntu startup music etc
[05:05] <bur[n] er> ;)
[05:05] <bimberi> transparentdream: what type of printer (eg. usb)?
[05:05] <ian> Mr-Falkor: study english
[05:05] <red_> Has anyone setup xcopilot under ubuntu
[05:05] <transparentdream> USB Officejet K80
[05:05] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, write down its settings and then run ubuntu - and gnome network configuration tools
[05:05] <aru> Teez: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html
[05:05] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, and try to input these settings
[05:05] <Mr-Falkor> ian, nah,.. Im just happy that I can understand english !:)
[05:05] <Madpilot> transparentdream: HP officejet?
[05:06] <transparentdream> yes
[05:06] <bimberi> transparentdream: does show with "lsusb"
[05:06] <ian> Mr-Falkor: study greek
[05:06] <bimberi> s/s s/s it s/
[05:06] <transparentdream> what is that?
[05:06] <aj_calrissian> hey guys, I'm running Kubuntu but the conversation is a little dry over there. when I go into Kubuntu and click to upgrade for example OO.o does it get the latest (stable) version?
[05:06] <aru> Teez: I knew it was there somewhere, just couldnt remember
[05:06] <Mr-Falkor> ian, nah,.. Im just happu that I do not understand greek !:)
[05:06] <bimberi> transparentdream: a terminal command
[05:06] <Mr-Falkor> happy*
[05:06] <blahblahblah> says assigned by DHCP
[05:06] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, have you got ubuntu desktop installed? (of course your network doesn;t work but desktop should)
[05:06] <transparentdream> lemme try iy
[05:06] <ian> Mr-Falkor: find a woman
[05:07] <blahblahblah> wut do u mean
[05:07] <transparentdream> It just shows up as Hewlett-Packard
[05:07] <Madpilot> transparentdream: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-OfficeJet_K80
[05:07] <red_> has anyone used uclinux under ubuntu?
[05:07] <Mr-Falkor> ian, already have a woman friend friend !;)
[05:07] <bimberi> transparentdream: hm, that sounds ok then...
[05:07] <blahblahblah> wut do u mean by desktop should work
[05:07] <ian> Mr-Falkor: play with her
[05:07] <tritium> blahblahblah, the word is "what"
[05:07] <Teez> aru, where do I check "Analog / Digital Output Jack" at?
[05:07] <h17m4n> I ubuntu-kubuntu AMD64 Chroot 32!
[05:08] <transparentdream> well why won;t it print? It's a  local printer, but it always goes to network
[05:08] <blahblahblah> ok what do u mean
[05:08] <transparentdream> can i take it if of cups?
[05:08] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, I would like to know if you installed ubuntu and you got desktop or if you are trying to install and you cannot configure network during installation
[05:08] <transparentdream> off of cups**?
[05:08] <felipe_> Hi
[05:08] <ian> hello felipe
[05:08] <Mr-Falkor> ian, already done,.. But -- I wanna do something with my computer now :) humm,, lemme see, what can I do with my computer right now ?
[05:08] <blahblahblah> yes its all installed
[05:08] <h17m4n> fala felipe
[05:08] <bimberi> transparentdream: i doubt it, but i don't know for sure
[05:08] <ian> Mr-Falkor: wikipedia!
[05:09] <Madpilot> transparentdream: that linuxprinting.org page recommends the hp drivers - they're included in Ubuntu repos - my HP 5740 works fine
[05:09] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, so you got single computer with dsl modem connected via ethernet
[05:09] <transparentdream> yes the driver works fine
[05:09] <ian> Mr-Falkor: if you're able to compile code, I have something you could help with
[05:09] <Mr-Falkor> ian, Wikipedia`s keeps me more boored
[05:09] <transparentdream> thats not the problem
[05:09] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, and this is dual boot machine
[05:09] <blahblahblah> 2 computers,
[05:09] <Milk_> ohh.. no more extra step!! YEA!!
[05:09] <rahotep> I've got a noob boot-up question...
[05:09] <Mr-Falkor> ian, oh,.. lemme see !:P
[05:10] <blahblahblah> one with ubuntu and one with windows
[05:10] <transparentdream> When i installed the printer, it worked fine, printed and everything
[05:10] <Milk_> dies anyone know how to install true type fonts in ubuntu?
[05:10] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, and on your network config on windows says that you get IP via dhcp - right?
[05:10] <transparentdream> 3 days later, it wont print
[05:10] <blahblahblah> yes
[05:10] <ian> Mr-Falkor: get this compiled on ubuntu and note the steps  http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/
[05:10] <Madpilot> Milk_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[05:10] <rahotep> every time I boot, a number of windows are already open -- it's like a saved session or something is trying to restore -- anybody know how to stop that from happening?
[05:10] <h17m4n> !fonts
[05:10] <ubotu> I heard fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[05:11] <Milk_> Madpilot, thanks!! I think I only ever searched for true type.. haah
[05:11] <animepunkw> hey everyone
[05:11] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, do you need to do something like 'dial' to get connection on windows?
[05:11] <ian> Mr-Falkor: if you want to give it a try, feel free to private message me
[05:11] <blahblahblah> no its dsl, i just plug in the ethernet cable to the card and it works
[05:11] <Madpilot> Milk_: no prob; TTF fonts work fine in Linux, BTW...
[05:11] <transparentdream> How do I tell is cups is installed right
[05:11] <Teez> aru, where do I check "Analog / Digital Output Jack" at?
[05:11] <Mr-Falkor> ian, Im gonna download it now :!)
[05:11] <h17m4n> but its a PPPoE connection isnt it?
[05:12] <h17m4n> don't you have to log in?
[05:12] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, what country/provider?
[05:12] <blahblahblah> us/charter communications
[05:12] <transparentdream> CUPS has it as this: hp:/usb/OfficeJet_K80?serial=MY23BD614MOH
[05:12] <transparentdream> is that right?
[05:12] <odat> heya everyone
[05:12] <animepunkw> hey
[05:13] <odat> does anyone know how i put the trashcan back on the desktop?
[05:13] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, do you have something like ID and password to establish connection?
[05:13] <Madpilot> transparentdream: looks right - the linuxprinting pages have heaps of CUPS info on them
[05:13] <blahblahblah> nope
[05:13] <Cashel> odat, right click on the panel.. click add to panel, select Trash Can, and presto, there it is
[05:14] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, _are you sure_ ?
[05:14] <transparentdream> Well why isn;t it working? In the CUPs webpage I can;t login for some reason
[05:14] <blahblahblah> yes,
[05:14] <odat> cashel: no i want to put the trashcan on the desktop not on the panel
[05:14] <blahblahblah> im positive
[05:14] <transparentdream> It says Administratice tasks disbled
[05:14] <Cashel> odat, put it on the panel, then move it to the desktop
[05:14] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, you could provide this id and password only once and now it just works
[05:14] <Madpilot> transparentdream: System menu - Admin - Printing gets you the Gnome front-end to CUPS
[05:14] <animepunkw> blahblahblah , whats going on with your dsl ?
[05:15] <NoHope> is there a way to unrar a file without use [rar]  or [unrar] ?
[05:15] <blahblahblah> arg
[05:15] <rahotep> I'm sorry if I missed the post, but does anybody know how to keep previous programs from automatically starting on boot?
[05:15] <blahblahblah> this is getting me so irritated
[05:15] <blahblahblah> i use firefox and it just says couldnt find url
[05:16] <Madpilot> blahblahblah: try google.com or one of the giant sites that're always up?
[05:16] <durt> odat: your trash is in ~/.Trash, so make a launcher
[05:16] <blahblahblah> did that
[05:16] <Milk_> whats the problem blahblahblah?
[05:16] <animepunkw> are you connected to it right now ?
[05:16] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, hmm just a moment
[05:16] <blahblahblah> .....oviously no rofl
[05:16] <animepunkw> :P
[05:16] <Teez> Hey, could anyone help me real quick, someone pointed me to change from digital to analog for my soundcard, but when I go to the gnome mixer and try to change to analog, it crashes the volume controller
[05:16] <Mr-Falkor> ian, agh -- Could not autogen,..  got a error :P
[05:17] <Cashel> odat, ahh, just tried that myself.. apparently it can only exist on a panel... tho why that should be I have no idea...
[05:17] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, I'm googling but at the meantime I got another question
[05:17] <Teez> Is there a console application to change from digital to analog?
[05:17] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, you got only one computer - right? so you are on windows currently?
[05:17] <aru> Teez: did the same to mine...
[05:17] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, and you don't have internet when you are on ubuntu?
[05:18] <Teez> aru, Any idea how to fix that? :-\
[05:18] <blahblahblah> i got 2 comps, wen i plug my dsl modem into the one with ubuntu on it i dont get a connection
[05:18] <aru> thats why I didn't respond, I was playing with that... figured out how to get my mic working from the front though :)
[05:18] <ian> Mr-Falkor: are you getting my private messages?
[05:18] <animepunkw> do you get a connection with the other ?
[05:18] <Mr-Falkor> ian, nope
[05:18] <h17m4n> Question: How do I make a desktop icon of a chroot Firefox 32-bit?
[05:18] <blahblahblah> i thnk im gonna go windows
[05:19] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, haaaa
[05:19] <blahblahblah> seriosuly
[05:19] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, so you got machine with windows - and another machine with linux?
[05:19] <Teez> blahblahblah, I just came from windows, after you get the initial setup, linux is *ALOT* smoother
[05:19] <blahblahblah> yes
[05:19] <Teez> haha
[05:19] <Cashel> blahblahblah, are you trying to plug both in at once, or reusing the same cable? Is your network card installed under ubuntu? have you tried rerunning the dhcp bit of base-configure?
[05:19] <transparentdream> OK someone please help me with my printer problem!! It won;t print and I don;t know why, it printed 3 days ago but not anymore!
[05:19] <aru> Teez: should we try this? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1814905#post1814905
[05:19] <blahblahblah> same cable
[05:19] <blahblahblah> 1 comp at a time
[05:19] <h17m4n> hmm
[05:19] <h17m4n> try this
[05:20] <blahblahblah> how do i install my net card
[05:20] <Kyral> transparentdream, try posting on the forums
[05:20] <h17m4n> plug the modem cable into the ubuntu machine
[05:20] <Kyral> The channel seems too hectic right now
[05:20] <Teez> aru: I'll give it a try, I tried that before I tried a total reinstall tho, nothing was muted.
[05:20] <Mr-Falkor> ahg,.. its HOT here !
[05:20] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, there is a really big chance that your provider uses your mac to identify your network card
[05:20] <Mr-Falkor> *opens a window*
[05:20] <h17m4n> and turn of your modem for 5 secs, then turn it on again
[05:20] <Madpilot> transparentdream: it's USB, right? unplug it and replug it, see if that fixes the thing...
[05:20] <ian> Mr-Falkor: /j #roadster
[05:20] <animepunkw> if one computer works and the other dosn't could be that the mac of the one is recorded in the isp's router, and you'd need to release it before moving it to another
[05:20] <transparentdream> ok let me try
[05:20] <odat> hmmm someone showed me a command show trash desktop before but i can't remember
[05:20] <blahblahblah> so i turn it off?
[05:20] <blahblahblah> ..........
[05:21] <blahblahblah> or wut
[05:21] <h17m4n> it's because when the modem first turns on, it gets an IP for the mac adress on ur first card
[05:21] <animepunkw> if it's windows ipconfig /release
[05:21] <rahotep> When I boot -- a bunch of old windows are automatically open -- how do I stop that?
[05:21] <h17m4n> so you can't just unplug the cable and put it into another machine because it won't work
[05:21] <transparentdream> Madpilot: Ready: open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds...
[05:21] <Teez> aru, I fixed it.
[05:21] <blahblahblah> how do i get it to work then
[05:21] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, well if your provider identifies you with mac then you can try to restart modem - but in fact
[05:21] <h17m4n> but it will work when you plug it back to the machine it was plugged into when the modem came on
[05:21] <aru> how?
[05:21] <Teez> aru, Run alsamixer and go over to "Audigy Analog / Digital output jack"
[05:21] <Teez> Then it works when you unmute it
[05:21] <aru> woot
[05:22] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, it is really possible that you will have to contact your provider and tell them that you got another machine you want to use with your dsl
[05:22] <blahblahblah> yes
[05:22] <h17m4n> blablahblah, Try this: Plug the ethernet cable into the ubuntu machine, restart the modem and see what happens
[05:22] <blahblahblah> thats shit
[05:22] <blahblahblah> fuck
[05:22] <durt> odat: its somewhere in applications>systools>configuration editor
[05:22] <blahblahblah> lemmi unplug, turn it off
[05:22] <blahblahblah> turn it back on
[05:22] <blahblahblah> -.-
[05:22] <blahblahblah> brb
[05:22] <marcin_ant> blahblahblah, ok
[05:23] <animepunkw> I work for a dsl tech support :P we get stuff like that, just running a ipconfig /release normaly release's the mac on the isp side so you can plug in another computer
[05:23] <h17m4n> I had these same problems with 2 windows machines
[05:23] <h17m4n> its common
[05:23] <aru> where does this Sound Recorder program record from?
[05:23] <Xanthus7> anyone in here use hellanzb
[05:24] <Cashel> Aru: where ever you've set it up to..... system > preferences > multimedia selector
[05:25] <aru> yar
[05:25] <blah_sameguylol> ok
[05:25] <blah_sameguylol> still didnt work
[05:25] <blah_sameguylol> so windows will go back on it
[05:25] <blah_sameguylol> -.-
[05:25] <transparentdream> Yea that didnt work
[05:25] <transparentdream> OK someone PLEASE help me with my printer problem!
[05:25] <animepunkw> hey can anyone heal out a linux newb with a problem with xmms when ever i try playing a mp3 it comes up "couldn't open audio" please check that : your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard. any idea's .. sound dose work with other programs too
[05:25] <blah_sameguylol> ok so, i can install windows the same way i installed linux right?
[05:26] <nalioth> animepunkw: you've installed mp3 support, right?
[05:26] <Madpilot> blah_sameguylol: installing windows requires a blood sacrifice, and can only be done under a new moon. honest.
[05:26] <animepunkw> err i think i did
[05:26] <durt> odat: in the configuration editor, go to apps>nautilus>desktop and select trast_icon_visible
[05:26] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, ok sure you can install windows
[05:27] <blah_sameguylol> kewl how
[05:27] <nalioth> !tell animepunkw about restricted
[05:27] <blah_sameguylol> put in disk on reboot?
[05:27] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, the thing is that you propably won't have internet on this second machine on windows too ;)
[05:27] <nalioth> animepunkw: check and see, and if so, i have little idea about sound hardware stuff
[05:27] <transparentdream> OK someone PLEASE help me with my printer problem! It's connected via USB, printed a few days ago, won;t print anymore PLEASE HELP
[05:27] <blah_sameguylol> yeh but i cant watch porno on my linux without net because of codec issues, so windows i can watch porn
[05:28] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, and then _plaease_ tell us about that :)
[05:28] <animepunkw> ok thanks brb
[05:28] <rahotep> I had some apps open during shutdown a long time ago, but now they open every time I boot -- is there any way to stop that from happening??
[05:28] <blah_sameguylol> ok how do i get windows on
[05:28] <durt> i have the same problem blah_sameguylol :(
[05:28] <Cashel> codec issues? fix them!
[05:28] <hermit> what would cause my urxvt to not read settings from ~/.Xdefaults ?
[05:28] <blah_sameguylol> i tried for 4 hours with xperts,
[05:28] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, I don't know what are you talking about guys ;)
[05:28] <durt> newer WMVs wont play in linux
[05:28] <hermit> I use this same ~/.Xdefaults file on another machine and it works fine, but on ubuntu it's not working that way.
[05:28] <blah_sameguylol> OK, how do i reinstall windows
[05:29] <h17m4n> Question: How do I make a desktop icon of a chroot Firefox 32-bit?
[05:29] <Cashel> ... and then there was silence... lol
[05:29] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, I can watch in fact all porn I download ;)
[05:29] <transparentdream> OK someone PLEASE help me with my printer problem! It's connected via USB, printed a few days ago, won;t print anymore PLEASE HELP
[05:29] <hermit> transparentdream: put ink in it
[05:29] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, anyway I don't unsterstand why you keep asking about windows
[05:29] <durt> marcin_ant: are you downloading WMVs?
[05:29] <blah_sameguylol> i want to reinstall windows 95 on my comp
[05:30] <Lordphyn> hi, am having mystery samba "timeout" problems, any help
[05:30] <tritium> transparentdream, please quit repeating.
[05:30] <pussfeller> gstreamer0.8-faad: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[05:30] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, 1. we are not MS windows support, 2. just boot from windows CD and see what will happen
[05:30] <marcin_ant> durt, sure
[05:30] <pussfeller> what exactly does that mean
[05:30] <transparentdream> Well then will someone help me?
[05:30] <blah_sameguylol> i did and it loaded ubuntu
[05:30] <durt> marcin_ant: and do you have anything special other than w32codecs installed?
[05:30] <Cashel> pussfeller, you using non standard repositories? That happened to me that way...
[05:31] <Kyral> transparentdream, did you try to post on the forums?
[05:31] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, ehh believe me that we are not hardware support too....
[05:31] <Madpilot> blah_sameguylol: you probably need to set your bios boot order - CD first, then HD...
[05:31] <transparentdream> what forums
[05:31] <nalioth> howdy tritium
[05:31] <durt> ubuntu forums
[05:31] <Kyral> !forums
[05:31] <tritium> hi nalioth :)
[05:31] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, but I'll tell you - go to bios and set cd rom as boot device
[05:31] <transparentdream> !forums
[05:31] <transparentdream> what
[05:31] <Madpilot> transparentdream: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[05:31] <Kyral> www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:31] <marcin_ant> durt, I got codecs pack from mplayerhq.hu
[05:32] <tritium> transparentdream, what changed since the time when printing was working?
[05:32] <pussfeller> windows 95? heh
[05:32] <[Chameleon] > transparentdream: what printer?
[05:32] <marcin_ant> durt, what kind of player you use?
[05:32] <[Chameleon] > transparentdream: manufacturer/model ?
[05:32] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, anyway please don't leave us once you install windows
[05:32] <durt> mplayer, totem-xine, vlc, ive tried alot of stuff
[05:32] <dreamie> username is not in the sudoers file. how do i fix this?
[05:33] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, I really would like to know if you will have internet on your second machine :)
[05:33] <tritium> dreamie, add that user to the admin groujp
[05:33] <gusto5> !userguide
[05:33] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, gusto5
[05:33] <tritium> group
[05:33] <gusto5> or add the users to the sudoers list
[05:33] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, (and I really would like to hear that you don't ;) )
[05:33] <dreamie> tritium, i thought that it already was in admin group
[05:33] <dreamie> how do i add it?
[05:33] <durt> thanks marcin_ant, ill try these codecs
[05:33] <tritium> adduser <username> admin
[05:33] <blah_sameguylol> no internet on second machine
[05:34] <marcin_ant> durt, I use mplayer and totem-xine
[05:34] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, well - first install windows ;)
[05:35] <Madpilot> omp342: with Breezy in about a month, for Ubuntu
[05:35] <thrice`> omp342, tomorrow or the day after
[05:35] <thrice`> most is uploaded to breezy
[05:35] <ivan_ivan> hello there
[05:35] <thrice`> and no, it's not being released for ubuntu
[05:35] <dreamie> the group admin does not exist
[05:35] <marcin_ant> durt, you are right - totem-xine refuses to work with wmv files
[05:35] <marcin_ant> durt, but mplayer works ok
[05:35] <Cashel> is there supposed to be something spectacularly better in gnome 2.12??
[05:35] <tritium> dreamie, that sounds screwy
[05:35] <ivan_ivan> having some problems... where I can talk with someone about a problematic ubuntu installation?
[05:36] <thrice`> yes, cairo and gtk 2.8 of course
[05:36] <Cashel> here ivan_ivan , whats the problem?
[05:36] <dreamie> right Tritium
[05:36] <dreamie> what do i do about it
[05:36] <ivan_ivan> Hello there, Cashel. Here it goes:
[05:36] <blah_sameguylol> it wont let me install windows
[05:36] <Cashel> dont paste
[05:37] <ivan_ivan> I am installling a ubuntu hoary on a compac prosignia, very old indeed.
[05:37] <blah_sameguylol> i used a win95 on reboot
[05:37] <blah_sameguylol> didnt work
[05:37] <fort> can anyone help me
[05:37] <ivan_ivan> To do the installation, I had to put the debian-installer/framebuffer=off
[05:37] <ivan_ivan> option
[05:37] <fort> im trying to install ubuntu hoary from windows
[05:37] <fort> but
[05:37] <fort> i dont know how to do it with an ISO on my hard drive
[05:37] <h17m4n> !fonts
[05:37] <ubotu> fonts is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[05:37] <fort> instead of a cd
[05:37] <ivan_ivan> but, when the system reboots, the screen just freezes
[05:37] <fort> or from downloading from the internet?
[05:37] <fort> anyone help me?
[05:37] <blah_sameguylol> >.< im so confused!
[05:37] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, ehh
[05:38] <durt> marcin_ant: should i create a codecs directory in /usr/lib and put the codecs there?
[05:38] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, put your ubuntu CD to drive and reboot
[05:38] <blah_sameguylol> ok
[05:38] <ivan_ivan> I think that the problem is the framebuffer after the reboot, with base-config
[05:38] <Cashel> ivan_ivan, does it go thru the kernel stuff and freeze once it does, or does it freeze before that?
[05:38] <blah_sameguylol> live or hd install] 
[05:38] <ivan_ivan> no, it freezes after the first reboot, after the kernel being loaded
[05:38] <fort> sorry to be rude, but can anyone help me?
[05:38] <dreamie> ok it wont recognize my username or password..why? how can i fix this?
[05:39] <marcin_ant> durt, nope
[05:39] <Madpilot> fort: what OS are you running right now?
[05:39] <ivan_ivan> i think just when base-conig tries to take over
[05:39] <dreamie> i can get into the computer but not into the softwares
[05:39] <fort> Windows XP
[05:39] <marcin_ant> durt, you need to put them when mplayer expects to have them
[05:39] <marcin_ant> durt, so /usr/lib/win32
[05:39] <fort> ive used the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows guide
[05:39] <fort> but
[05:39] <fort> i dont wanna re download the files
[05:39] <odat> does anyone have that really nice blue theme installed with blue trashcan  i can't seem to find it on gnome site. what is the name of it?
[05:40] <Cashel> ivan_ivan, ok, it sounds to me like your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is screwed... tried booting into safe mode?? Hopefuly they dont load gdm in safe mode.... or single user mode....
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> UT OH
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> NO
[05:40] <Madpilot> fort: to burn the actual ISO: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto - has XP instructions
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> NO NO NO
[05:40] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, so it booted from CD - right?
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> omg
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> no it wouldnt boot
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> nothig boots from cd
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> *crys*
[05:40] <fort> nah the problem is i dont have a cd burner :<
[05:40] <ivan_ivan> single use is ok, and i have played with some xorg configurations. but even vesa or vga does not work!
[05:40] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, BIOS
[05:40] <blah_sameguylol> ok ill restart and enter bios
[05:40] <odat> does anyone have that really nice blue theme installed with blue trashcan  i can't seem to find it on gnome site. what is the name of it?
[05:41] <ivan_ivan> and if base-config does not continues, the installation is not complete and I have to install all the packages byt hand...
[05:41] <tritium> odat, no need to repeat
[05:41] <Madpilot> fort: you can order free CDs from Ubuntu...
[05:41] <blah_sameguylol> k bios open
[05:41] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, but anyway I'm curious how you installed ubuntu when your system doesn;t boot from cd :) ?
[05:41] <blah_sameguylol> it booted from cd wen i was on window
[05:41] <hermit> fuck what a useless channel
[05:41] <blah_sameguylol> windows*
[05:41] <Cashel> ivan_ivan, thats what I'd try anyways... boot into sing user or whatever, then cd /etc/init.d  then  rm gdm ... then reboot ... you should have a regular console after that.. then you'll need to tinker with xorg.conf until you can startx succesfuly....
[05:41] <blah_sameguylol> ok how do i config it to start
[05:41] <Cashel> ohhh
[05:41] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, go to advanced chipset settings
[05:41] <tritium> hermit, please be polite
[05:41] <kevogod> hermit, And what was your useless question?
[05:42] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, and you will have there something like 'first boot device' etc.
[05:42] <hermit> oh that's what it takes to get attention
[05:42] <Cashel> so you havent finished installing yet or are you talking about when you run base-config by hand?
[05:42] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, I don't know your bios so I need to guess
[05:42] <durt> i seems i already have those codecs installed :(
[05:42] <ivan_ivan> well, i can change that also at /etc/X11/default-display-manager... ok, thanks. let me see what happens...
[05:42] <ivan_ivan> thank you!
[05:42] <hermit> ~/.Xdefaults and ~/.Xresources will not read
[05:42] <fort> Madpilot: is there anyway to install from an iso on your hard drive?
[05:42] <hermit> does ubuntu use some other name
[05:42] <blah_sameguylol> boot sequence?
[05:42] <hermit> i have urxvt settings in those files and they aren't loading when x starts
[05:42] <animepunkw> nalioth , i tryied installing the gstreamer0.8-mad, akode-mpeg, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.8-plugins, libmad0 packages and also set xmms to use the output plugin to libesdout.so.. still same thing
[05:43] <tritium> hermit, you need to be polite in this channel please
[05:43] <hermit> i am
[05:43] <tritium> hermit, calling us useless is hardly polite
[05:43] <nalioth> animepunkw: then you need to get with some of these sound gurus in here
[05:43] <blah_sameguylol> is that it
[05:43] <odat> anyone know how to put the traskcan back on the desktop?
[05:43] <DrTiger> Hi! is there a program for ubuntu that can download a website for offline browsing?
[05:43] <blah_sameguylol> the boot sequence
[05:43] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, could be
[05:43] <Madpilot> fort: I have no idea
[05:44] <hermit> this channel is like 99% questions
[05:44] <durt> i get this error when i play a wmv in mplayer: "Too many video packets in the buffer: (1452 in 8396048 bytes)."
[05:44] <nerdy2> DrTiger, see wget or curl
[05:44] <hermit> everything from legitimate queries to moron questions
[05:44] <DrTiger> I mean recursively
[05:44] <hermit> and nary an answer to be found
[05:44] <blah_sameguylol> k set it to, CDROM,C,A, blah blah
[05:44] <hermit> it's just frustrating
[05:44] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, ok that's it
[05:44] <anomaly> any word on when Ubuntu may be releasing a hard copy book on its distro?
[05:44] <nerdy2> DrTiger, yea, wget -r will do it recursively
[05:44] <DrTiger> downloading the linked documents and java anything
[05:44] <nalioth> hermit: the more info you can give with your question, the easier it will be
[05:44] <rahotep> guys, does anybody know about "system restore"
[05:44] <nerdy2> DrTiger, man wget
[05:44] <hermit> and even after repeating myself again, after getting all eyes on me with an inflammatory remark, i still get no response
[05:44] <DrTiger> hmm but no external link?
[05:45] <blah_sameguylol> yeay ubuntu install thingy
[05:45] <nerdy2> Dr_Net, use the appropriate options
[05:45] <blah_sameguylol> now wut
[05:45] <kevogod> hermit, No, they do not exist.
[05:45] <rahotep> I've got what looks like an old "restore" that now pops up every time a boot
[05:45] <nalioth> hermit: if nobody knows about your problem, nobody will answer
[05:45] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, ok then replace CD's and install
[05:45] <h17m4n> how do I make a shortcut to a chroot program that needs 2 commands? from terminal I have to run "dchroot -d" and then "firefox32" . What would be the command for the shortcut?
[05:45] <zcat[1] > hermit: what was the question?
[05:45] <kevogod> hermit, That the answer you looking for?
[05:45] <hermit> kevogod: yeah thanks a lot man
[05:45] <hermit> i appreciate it
[05:45] <animepunkw> hmm any sound guru's in here that wanna lead a hand to a newb , when i try playing mp3's in xmms i get an error ""couldn't open audio" please check that : your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard"
[05:45] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, BTW don't you think that you could save some time just calling to your provider?
[05:45] <hermit> i hate these large channels where there's so much crap spewing by you can't hold a conversation
[05:45] <nalioth> animepunkw: have you been to wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary  ?
[05:46] <blah_sameguylol> im a kid
[05:46] <hermit> i can tell
[05:46] <transparentdream> Would someone like to help me with ym printer woes? Please PM me
[05:46] <animepunkw> nalioth yeah
[05:46] <zcat[1] > go joing #slackware. There's nobody in there usually :)
[05:46] <nalioth> hermit: if you preface your sends with someones nick, you'll get better response
[05:46] <blah_sameguylol> and i had to reboot the install woulnt wor
[05:46] <Quinthius> animepunkw: go into options, set output plugin to esd.. see if that helps
[05:46] <blah_sameguylol> work*
[05:46] <tritium> I told you to be polite already, hermit
[05:46] <animepunkw> Quinthius ok i'll try
[05:46] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, then you could know if you will have internet on second machine faster
[05:47] <blah_sameguylol> its already 500kb/sec
[05:47] <transparentdream> Would someone like to help me with my printer woes? Please PM me, and I will repeat as much as I need to in order to get help
[05:47] <kevogod> hermit, Sarcasm is not a right, it is a privilege.
[05:47] <fort> Ok here's my problem now.
[05:47] <DrTiger> thanks, wget works well it seems
[05:47] <fort> I have a 120gb HDD formatted for linux, how do i format it for windows?
[05:47] <blah_sameguylol> the windows 95 disk wont install it
[05:47] <blah_sameguylol> >.<
[05:48] <tritium> hermit, please read this for next time: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[05:48] <nalioth> fort: the windows installer will take care of it
[05:48] <animepunkw> Quinthius, i don't have an option for esd
[05:48] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, of course it wont
[05:48] <blah_sameguylol> if i use the linux install to format
[05:48] <blah_sameguylol> ok wut
[05:48] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, because win95 CD aren't bootable
[05:48] <blah_sameguylol> ......
[05:48] <transparentdream> Would someone like to help me with my printer woes? Please PM me, and I will repeat as much as I need to in order to get help
[05:48] <Quinthius> animepunkw: humm... what are the options? oss and alsa i assume... anything else?
[05:48] <fort> nalioth: i already have windows installed on my other HDD
[05:48] <blah_sameguylol> *slams head onto desk*
[05:48] <fort> but i want my other hdd formatted for it
[05:48] <fort> :/
[05:48] <h17m4n> Please, how do I make a line with 2 commands where the second one depends on the first one?
[05:48] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, try win98SE or 2000 or XP
[05:48] <LoneFreak> Can someone help, I messed ubuntu up :S
[05:48] <odat> anyone know how to put the trashcan back on the desktop?
[05:48] <zcat[1] > h17m4n: &&
[05:48] <tritium> transparentdream, you never answered me.  What has changed since it was last working?
[05:48] <blah_sameguylol> were can i steal those
[05:48] <animepunkw> Quinthius, disk sound and esound
[05:49] <Madpilot> transparentdream: flooding the channel will just get you kicked, not helped...
[05:49] <brettcar> h17m4n: commandone && commandtwo
[05:49] <kevogod> LoneFreak, What seems to be the problem?
[05:49] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, to run win95 installation you need floppy
[05:49] <Quinthius> animepunkw: esound is esd
[05:49] <Cashel> fort, mkfs.vfat /dev/####
[05:49] <Madpilot> later, all. need food.
[05:49] <tritium> blah_sameguylol, no warez discussions here please
[05:49] <animepunkw> Quinthius, ah yeah . lol sorry . no that's not working
[05:49] <blah_sameguylol> sorry
[05:49] <transparentdream> Oh im sorry,
[05:49] <transparentdream> nothing has changed
[05:49] <transparentdream> i turne doff and on the computer
[05:49] <nalioth> fort: i know how to do it if i see it, but i havent run windows in years and cant remember the names of the things
[05:49] <fort> kk
[05:49] <h17m4n> Let me check that.
[05:49] <blah_sameguylol> ok
[05:49] <Cashel> odat, you sure it ever was on the desktop? I dont think it can exist off the panel....
[05:49] <LoneFreak> Well, I was moving my menus about. And I put on in autohide at the bottom, with another one with no autohide and one of the menus gets stuck behind the other
[05:50] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, well can we do a kind of experiment?
[05:50] <LoneFreak> and neither work
[05:50] <AlinuxOS> :) hello what about GNOME 2.12, when?
[05:50] <Quinthius> animepunkw: go to system -> preferences -> multimedia selector... hit test on the output one... does it beep?
[05:50] <Cashel> at least, I havent been able to get it to..
[05:50] <zcat[1] > h17m4n: depends what you mean by 'depends on' -- && means 'if the first one worked'   | means take the output of the first one and use it as input for the next one
[05:50] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, you got ubuntu live - right?
[05:50] <odat> cashel: yes it can i had it on there before but i forget the command i did it with
[05:50] <LoneFreak> Maybe I should take a screenshot lol
[05:50] <kevogod> !tell kevogod about trash
[05:50] <blah_sameguylol> i already tried it with ubuntu live on net too still wouldnt work
[05:50] <tritium> transparentdream, make sure that when you power up the computer the printer is on (/etc/init.d/cupsys is run at boot, and needs to "see" the printer)
[05:50] <transparentdream> ok
[05:50] <h17m4n> The thing is that, I need to run dchroot -d and then Firefox32 in order to be able to use flash
[05:50] <transparentdream> let me reboot and try it them
[05:51] <tritium> transparentdream, wait
[05:51] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, have you tried live on this machine you are currently on?
[05:51] <intelikey> LoneFreak right click on the one menu and unlock it then move it elsewhere.
[05:51] <blah_sameguylol> no
[05:51] <blah_sameguylol> should i
[05:51] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, you could
[05:51] <kevogod> odat, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqsection_view?section=Using%20Ubuntu
[05:51] <blah_sameguylol> ill do it soon as i get this other problem taken care of
[05:51] <animepunkw> Quinthius, nope , failed to construct test piplinefor 'ESD enlightnment Sound Daeman'
[05:51] <h17m4n> dchroot -d, I believe, makes the terminal thing that /chroot/ is actually /, and runs stuff from there
[05:51] <kevogod> odat, Read the second part of that. It talks about the Trashcan on the desktop.
[05:52] <h17m4n> think*
[05:52] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, then you will know if your problems with internet on second machine are because ubuntu is not configured properly
[05:52] <Quinthius> animepunkw: ok... check one more thing... system -> pref -> sound ... is "start sound server" checked?
[05:52] <brettcar> h17m4n: If dchroot is anything like the regular chroot you can just append the full chrooted path to firefox after it.
[05:52] <kevogod> odat, "If you want to turn some of the special desktop icons back on, run Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor, navigate to /apps/nautilus/general, and choose the icons you want to appear."
[05:52] <dreamie> why am i getting <username> is not the sudoers file? when i just logged into it
[05:52] <odat> kevogod: ok
[05:52] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, or because your provider blocks network card on second machine
[05:52] <blah_sameguylol> thats more than likly it because they had to register our ip i think
[05:52] <animepunkw> Quinthius, yes it is
[05:52] <Cashel> !tell cashel about trash
[05:52] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, each network card has it's unique identificator called MAC
[05:53] <blah_sameguylol> they did sumtin
[05:53] <kevogod> Cashel: Sorry, that does not work.
[05:53] <blah_sameguylol> because our old modem didnt work on this new comp
[05:53] <blah_sameguylol> and it was same isp
[05:53] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, and a s I said earlier
[05:53] <Cashel> so I see :)
[05:53] <Quinthius> animepunkw: ahh... i dunno what else to do but it sounds like a problem with drivers for your card or something...
[05:53] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, propably this is the reason why you don't have internet on your second machine
[05:53] <blah_sameguylol> ok a completely legal version of windows 98 has been but in and im rebooting
[05:53] <blah_sameguylol> put*
[05:54] <blah_sameguylol> will it boot on start?
[05:54] <h17m4n> Cool. Last time I tried that it actually run the 64 bit version of Firefox
[05:54] <h17m4n> Thx man
[05:54] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, of course I'm not sure - but I'll give 90%
[05:54] <marcin_ant> blah_sameguylol, it should
[05:54] <dreamie> anyone caught my question?
[05:54] <h17m4n> I don't think windows 98 will be able to format the linux partition
[05:54] <blah_sameguylol> it didnt, maybe cuz it wasnt 100% legal, not sure
[05:54] <hermit> dreamie: nope, too busy
[05:54] <hermit> too much banter
[05:54] <nalioth> dreamie: wait a few minutes tween asking. dont nag
[05:55] <blah_sameguylol> ok with my windows95. can a floppy work
[05:55] <nalioth> hermit
[05:55] <blah_sameguylol> o shit
[05:55] <blah_sameguylol> g2g
[05:55] <intelikey> dreamie if you add user accounts and want them to also have sudoer rights you will have to add them to /etc/sudoers   read up on it.
[05:55] <blah_sameguylol> sorry
[05:55] <animepunkw> Quinthius, yikes , maybe i'll try restarting since i just installed those packages , thanks for the help tho
[05:55] <h17m4n> lol
[05:55] <h17m4n> mom caught him awake
[05:55] <marcin_ant> have you got floppy drives on both machines?
[05:55] <odat> kevogod: thanx man apprieciate it
[05:56] <intelikey> dreamie the account that you installed ub with should have sudoers rights already.
[05:56] <kevogod> odat, No problem.
[05:56] <tritium> dreamie, you should also have an admin group
[05:56] <kevogod> Why does helping people feel so fulfilling?
[05:56] <h17m4n> brettcar, what about fonts? do I have to install them into the chroot path too?
[05:56] <nalioth> dreamie: intelikey is trying to help you
[05:56] <intelikey> kevo it does ?
[05:56] <kevogod> I'm evil at heart, yet it feels good.
[05:57] <hx10_> Ok i took a screenshot, but i couldn't reaccess this window
[05:57] <odat> kevogod: cuz everyone knows its the right thing to do
[05:57] <odat> lol
[05:57] <hx10_> http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5438/screenshot8na.png
[05:57] <hx10_> the menus are broke, and i dunno howto fix them
[05:57] <odat> anyway i can't for the life of me track down that one theme i got from art.gnome no more than three days ago  i don't know where it went
[05:58] <kevogod> hx10_, That is interesting, what were you doing before this happened?
[05:58] <hx10_> Well, I was just moving them around
[05:58] <intelikey> hx10 did you try right click on the menu and unlock it so you can move it ?
[05:58] <hx10_> I can't right click on them
[05:58] <hx10_> I can't move the, do anything
[05:58] <hx10_> them*
[05:59] <kevogod> hx10_, Have you restarted X or rebooted?
[05:59] <h17m4n> maybe restartx or gnome will fix that?
[05:59] <ian> is it possible to get the MySQL Embedded Server in an ubuntu package?
[05:59] <Cashel> odat, locate is your friend
[05:59] <hx10_> I've rebooted, it didn't work
[05:59] <tritium> hey thoreauputic
[05:59] <kevogod> odat, Don't listen to him. Beagle is your friend... but not in Hoary.
[05:59] <odat> cashel: i am on another computer that i installed gnome on so it was never on this system to begin with
[05:59] <kevogod> Cashel, :-)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> hi tritium :)
[06:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> I installed beagle but I don't know where it is
[06:00] <odat> what is beagle?
[06:00] <hx10_> Anyway to access the menu edtior from terminal?
[06:00] <marcin_ant> Carpe_Libertatem, run beagled from console
[06:00] <intelikey> hx10_ you can logout [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]  login to that console and do a rm .gnome* to reset your desktop.  then logout and [alt] +[f7]  back to the gui
[06:01] <marcin_ant> Carpe_Libertatem, and best with 'run program'
[06:01] <intelikey> hx10_ you can logout [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]  login to that console and do a "rm -rf .gnome*" to reset your desktop.  then logout and [alt] +[f7]  back to the gui
[06:01] <zcat[1] > zcat@fluffy:~$ apt-cache search beagle
[06:01] <zcat[1] > zcat@fluffy:~$
[06:01] <zcat[1] > What is beagle?
[06:01] <hx10_> ok but that would mean i have no gui?
[06:01] <intelikey> no
[06:01] <Carpe_Libertatem> Erors
[06:01] <noirequus> zcat[1] : its like "Spotlight" on tiger osx
[06:02] <anomaly> supposedly a search engine for linux
[06:02] <animepunkw> boo xmms is still not working :(
[06:02] <intelikey> all it will do is reset the desktop settings hx10_
[06:02] <candlelight> anyone in ubuntu security team?
[06:02] <haja> I am having problems installing mods for ut2004. Can anyone give me a hand?
[06:02] <hx10_> ok
[06:02] <evader> OK to move to breezy yet????
[06:02] <evader> when is the official release?
[06:02] <hx10_> Well i will try
[06:02] <setite> maybe ndiswrapper will work in breezy?
[06:02] <hx10_> don't suppose it can get anyworse
[06:02] <anomaly> evader I am hearing oct still
[06:02] <setite> i cant work it
[06:02] <dreamie> ok
[06:02] <setite> it errors
[06:03] <evader> anomaly: ok thanks
[06:03] <dreamie> but how do i get into the sudoers file
[06:03] <evader> but generally is it ok to move to Breezy now??
[06:03] <hx10_> oh great, the F1 key don't work
[06:03] <dreamie> /etc/sudoers what?
[06:03] <hermit> ndiswrapper works in hoary
[06:03] <evader> dreamie: vi /etc/sudoers
[06:03] <tritium> dreamie, sudo visudo
[06:03] <Cashel> ok NOW I'm mad.... I installed both qt3-designer and glade.... I know *ONE* of them had the option for outputting in perl.... neither seem to tho.... what gives? help! beg! plead! whine!
[06:03] <hermit> or whorey as i like to call it
[06:03] <Rhaymar> como configuro un apple ubuntu touchpad
[06:04] <tritium> Rhaymar, #ubuntu-es por favor
[06:04] <haja> I did /ucc-bin umodunpack -x file.ut2mod -nohomedir and then /ucc-bin umodunpack -l file.ut2mod -nohomedir there is a .sh file in the package but I don't know how to get to it...
[06:04] <dreamie> how do i get out of VI
[06:04] <dreamie> vi
[06:04] <kevogod> I can't for the life of me get my VPN connection working.
[06:04] <tritium> :wq
[06:04] <ian> Rhaymar: /j #ubuntu-es
[06:04] <Rhaymar> tritium : no usuarios
[06:04] <odat> evader i'm on breezy now
[06:04] <tritium> dreamie, you really don't have an admin group?
[06:05] <Rhaymar> no contestan nadies
[06:05] <Cashel> :q!  ... if he doesnt know how to get out, he probably didnt know how to edit the file either, best not to write :P
[06:05] <Quinthius> dreamie: type :wq to save & quit, :q! to quit and not save, :q to just quit if no changes have been made
[06:05] <tritium> Rhaymar, lo siento.
[06:05] <hx10_> trust me to get myself stuck lol
[06:05] <setite> anyone know why ndiswrapper is giving me an operation not permitted
[06:05] <intelikey> Cashel ....
[06:05] <hx10_> I can't do anything but run from terminal and loose my windows
[06:05] <animepunkw> well xine seems to be the only player that will play mp3's
[06:05] <Cashel> intelikey ....
[06:06] <setite> it gives me operation not permitted in or out of sudo and with su
[06:06] <Quinthius> animepunkw: can you look in xine options and see what audio output it is using?
[06:06] <setite> animepunkw: i used BMP
[06:06] <setite> use*
[06:06] <dreamie> ok i dont know if i had an admin group
[06:06] <evader> is Rhythmbox fixed in Breezy now???
[06:06] <dreamie> all i know is that the sudo commands are not working for me because it saids user is not in sudoers file
[06:06] <durt> does windows media player run well in wine?
[06:06] <MrSt0ne> hey
[06:06] <evader> durt: that is so evil to say
[06:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> durt: I highly doubt it.
[06:06] <intelikey> hx10_ what ?
[06:06] <kevogod> I prefer nano.
[06:06] <dreamie> do i just do vi /etc/sudoers and add my username?
[06:06] <tritium> dreamie, cat /etc/group | grep admin
[06:07] <jmhodges> anyone know how to get the menu bar to appear in gvim by default? i've somehow lost mine
[06:07] <durt> i need to watch my wmvs though!
[06:07] <setite> omg the chaos in here
[06:07] <thoreauputic> dreamie: no, use the visudo command
[06:07] <intelikey> dreamie no man sudoers  first.
[06:07] <evader> apt-get install w32codecs
[06:07] <hermit> setite: yeah
[06:07] <caonex> I have just installed my broadcom wireless nic; however, it does not seem to get a inet 4 address, what can I do?
[06:07] <tritium> dreamie, first try adding your user to the admin group.
[06:07] <MrSt0ne> i tried to upgrade to breezy, but it screwed up my sound and everything, I need help. Is there a way to rollback to hoary
[06:07] <setite> caonex: is your card working? how.. i cant get my broadcom working
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> MrSt0ne: no
[06:07] <dreamie> lpadom:x:107:username
[06:07] <haja> Can someone give me a hand with installing Ut2004 mods...?
[06:07] <caonex> setite yes it seems to be working
[06:07] <durt> i have all the codecs, but the wmvs at videosz.com dont play like the other wmvs i have
[06:08] <tritium> dreamie, that's it?  Not a second line?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: not without much pain and frustration
[06:08] <caonex> setite i can scan the SSIDs
[06:08] <setite> caonex: what did oyu do... please help me.. i cant get it to work at all
[06:08] <dreamie> tritium, no second line
[06:08] <Cashel> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate  for me.. not that I need it..
[06:08] <tritium> dreamie, is this warty?
[06:08] <dreamie> warty?
[06:08] <dreamie> what is warty?
[06:08] <caonex> i compiled ndiswrapper
[06:08] <setite> caonex: i cant get the drver working... i installed the bcmwl5.inf
[06:08] <tritium> dreamie, the first ubuntu release
[06:08] <caonex> ndiswrapper.sf.net
[06:08] <setite> you compiled it
[06:08] <setite> ok that must be it... the ubuntu one is shit?
[06:09] <kevogod> setite, Language, please.
[06:09] <dreamie> thoreauputic, the visudo command doesnt work because it saids username is not in sudoers file
[06:09] <setite> ok chit
[06:09] <dreamie> tritium no
[06:09] <caonex> setite what do you mean?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> dreamie: right, catch 22
[06:09] <tritium> dreamie, by default, only the first user that you setup has sudo priveleges
[06:09] <thoreauputic> dreamie: you might have to boot in recovery mode to get a root prompt
[06:09] <setite> caonex: i have the ubuntu repo ndiswrapper installed.. and the module wont load on start.. errors out
[06:10] <dreamie> thoreauputic, i have root access
[06:10] <durt> ndiswrapper -m and put ndiswrapper in /etc/modules
[06:10] <thoreauputic> dreamie: then become root and run visudo
[06:10] <intelikey> dreamie you will have to use the user account that you installed ub with  it is the admin account...
[06:10] <setite> ive already done that i believe
[06:10] <caonex> setite you may need to compile it
[06:10] <setite> i can try again though
[06:10] <dreamie> oh thats my problem
[06:10] <dreamie> because i have root
[06:10] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: so what would you suggest?
[06:10] <setite> i get operation not permitted on sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
 thoreauputic, i have root access <--- or do it as root...
[06:11] <dreamie> where in sudoers do i add my username?
[06:11] <caonex> setite hmm...is the user you are using in the /etc/sudoers file?
[06:11] <setite> setite@ubuntu:~$ ndiswrapper -m
[06:11] <setite> modprobe config already contains alias directive
[06:11] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: well, Breezy is still in development - if it breaks "you get to keep the pieces"
[06:11] <setite> it should be.. everythign else works fine in sudo
[06:11] <intelikey> dreamie did you "man sudoers" ?
[06:11] <setite> i only have one user
[06:11] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: should i just reinstall everything?
[06:11] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: what are the problems?
[06:11] <durt> have the lights on your card ever come on?
[06:12] <setite> and "ndiswrapper" is at the end of my modules
[06:12] <animepunkw> Quinthius, can't find where it says it , only thing i could find said the audio driver was default
[06:13] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: I have no sound, i configured it yesterday and it worked like a charm. I just installed Ubuntu saturday, and im a semi linux noob
[06:13] <TokenBad> man problems with azureus all over the place it seems
[06:13] <animepunkw> setite , you use bmp ?
[06:13] <caonex> i have no idea, what could be setite
[06:13] <setite> animepunkw: yes beep media player
[06:14] <setite> caonex: im adding the ndis repo.. ill try that
[06:14] <thoreauputic> MrStone: you might want to write a question to the ubuntu-users mailing list -but if sound was working before, it should be possible to restore that condition
[06:14] <durt> setite: ubuntu might have tried to load a module that interfers with ndiswrapper
[06:14] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: have you tried running alsamixer to see if any channels need unmuting?
[06:14] <durt> anybody know how to list the loaded modules?
[06:14] <caonex> setite, sorry
[06:14] <animepunkw> Setite, can i apt-get that ?
[06:14] <setite> well i sorta have two drivers installed
[06:14] <MrSt0ne> Thoreauputic: no i havent. How would i do that? terminal: alsamixer?
[06:15] <intelikey> durt like lsmod  maybe ?
[06:15] <TokenBad> anyone know why azureus would start downloading a file to the dir you say...get so much of it downloaded...and then come up saying that the file or dir don't exist?
[06:15] <TokenBad> even though it does
[06:15] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: in aterminal, type alsamixer
[06:15] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: use "M" to mute/unmute
[06:16] <TokenBad> and it keeps trying to save to a dir I didn't tell it to save to
[06:16] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: arrow keys to change levels
[06:16] <arlington> hey guys. can i get the macromedia plugin for FF through synaptic/kynaptic?
[06:16] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: your a genious
[06:16] <odat> geez does anyone know where the entire gnome themes went on their site??
[06:16] <caonex> setite did you restart?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: ha - no I just know what sometimes works :)
[06:17] <arlington> (btw I'm running Kubuntu. but the roomd a little dry atm. )
[06:17] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: would you mind helping me with one more thing?
[06:17] <tritium> arlington, yes, make sure you have universe and multiverse repos enabled
[06:17] <arlington> ok
[06:17] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: and by one more i mean a few more
[06:17] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: if I can - remeber there are 330 people here ;)
[06:17] <arlington> will it also work if I just install it through FF when I get to a site that requires it?
[06:18] <tritium> arlington, better to install an ubuntu package
[06:18] <setite> ok im removing ndiswrapper now
[06:18] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: just ask and if someone can help they will
[06:18] <arlington> ok np
[06:18] <durt> setite: run "lsmod" and if you see anything related to broadcom or anything, "rmmod" it
[06:18] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: ok thank you very much
[06:18] <TokenBad> anyone know about that?
[06:19] <setite> ok because i installed two drivers i think
[06:19] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: so fire away :)
[06:19] <setite> that might be the issue
[06:19] <setite> i just uninstalled ndiswrapper
[06:20] <arlington> ok no luck so far finding the option to change to Universal/Multiverse Repos
[06:20] <TokenBad> anyone tell me whats up with azureus not working?
[06:20] <MrSt0ne> when i type in my sudo apt-get update, at the end theres a string that says "Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:20] <tritium> arlington, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you're comfortable doing that
[06:20] <caonex> durt is it suppose to be a little slower, the connection because we are emulating windows to run those drivers?
[06:21] <aru> someone who knows audacity, msg me please :)
[06:21] <arlington> well I'm brand new but I don't mind giving it a try
[06:21] <MrSt0ne> and it tells me to run sudo apt-get update
[06:21] <tritium> arlington, what are you using now?  synaptic?
[06:21] <MrSt0ne> and when i do that it says the same thing (at the end of update)
[06:22] <arlington> yes
[06:22] <arlington> I can use either or though
[06:22] <tritium> up to you
[06:22] <arlington> synaptic's fine for now
[06:22] <MrSt0ne> what im asking: should i be worried that it says that?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the cdrom line, then update again
[06:23] <durt> what is it caonex?
[06:23] <setite> haha whats a yenta_socket
[06:23] <TokenBad> I have a couple problems in azureus..anyone help?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: or just remove that line
[06:23] <aru> on audacity I cant change my audio in, the box is blank
[06:23] <arlington> Tritium?
[06:24] <setite> hey i added the ndiswrapper repo
[06:24] <thoreauputic> arlington: /whois says tritium is away
[06:24] <setite> why is it not coming up
[06:24] <arlington> ok
[06:24] <bob2> TokenBad: way better to just ask your quetion
[06:24] <setite> is it purely source?
[06:24] <TokenBad> I did
[06:24] <bob2> setite: there's no "ndiswrapper repo"
[06:24] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: your 2 for 2
[06:24] <TokenBad> it still didn't get answered
[06:24] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: thank you very much
[06:24] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: :)
[06:24] <setite> bob there was a repo line at the site
[06:24] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: yw
[06:24] <bob2> setite: "the site"?
[06:25] <bob2> can you be more vague?
[06:25] <arlington> I was being helped by him/her to get the macromedia plugin through synaptic
[06:25] <setite> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[06:25] <TokenBad> anyone know why azureus would start downloading a file to the dir you say...get so much of it downloaded...and then come up saying that the file or dir don't exist?
[06:25] <bob2> setite: so, ignore that completely
[06:25] <setite> the site for the ndiswrapper.. i thought that was kinda a given
[06:25] <TokenBad> even though it does
[06:25] <bob2> setite: since you're using ubuntu, which includes ndiswrapper
[06:25] <TokenBad> and it keeps trying to save to a dir I didn't tell it to save to
[06:25] <bob2> setite: no, it's not a given, it's a mistake
[06:25] <MrSt0ne> one more thing and then i'll leave you guys alone for the night
[06:25] <setite> that one wont work
[06:25] <bob2> setite: "wont work" is not a description of a problem
[06:25] <arlington> forgive my ignorance but what is the method to do a private message?
[06:26] <setite> bob2: i cant get the ndiswrapper to load
[06:26] <kevogod> arlington, type /msg <nick> <message>
[06:26] <thoreauputic> arlington: /query or /msg - but ask first
[06:26] <bob2> setite: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[06:26] <arlington> or at least to pop up on a persons screen
[06:26] <setite> and a sudo modprobe ndiswrapper fails due to operation bot permitted
[06:26] <setite> not*
[06:26] <arlington> ok thanks
[06:26] <bob2> setite: perhaps it'd be eaiser if you mentioned that to begin with
[06:26] <bob2> instead of us having to talk for 5 minutes before you tell me what the problem is
[06:27] <TokenBad> bob2, thats the problem I am having
[06:27] <setite> im not a super noob.. i used that tutorial and the sudo modprobe failed
[06:27] <bob2> TokenBad: what did the azureus people say?
[06:27] <durt> setite use "sudo su"
[06:27] <bob2> setite: so, when asking for help and a step failed, you need to mention it
[06:27] <TokenBad> well had it working before..so now not sure whats going on
[06:27] <bob2> durt: how will that help?
[06:27] <setite> bob2:  i said it earlier... thought you caught it
[06:27] <MrSt0ne> I used to have my samba set up so that i can network with my windows system, but now its not there
[06:27] <TokenBad> all I did was reinstall ubuntu
[06:27] <aj_calrissian> ok one more stupid question. I registered my nick but forgot my password. how do I get that back?
[06:27] <durt> that sometimes works...
[06:27] <TokenBad> and did the stuff same as before
[06:28] <bob2> why on earth would you reinstall?
[06:28] <MrSt0ne> and also before, i had problems with my windows system getting into my linux
[06:28] <bob2> setite: go ask on the ndiswrapper list, I suspect that error means your hardware is not supported by ndiswrapper
[06:28] <h17m4n> !fonts
[06:28] <ubotu> from memory, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:28] <MrSt0ne> it would ask my windows for a user name and a password
[06:28] <MrSt0ne> and i have no idea what to put into it
[06:28] <bob2> MrSt0ne: so tell it to share things anonymously
[06:28] <kevogod> aj_calrissian, I believe you will have to wait 60 days when it drops.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> !tell MrSt0ne about samba
[06:29] <bob2> aj_calrissian: there's nothing on the freenode.net faq?
[06:29] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: thanks agian
[06:29] <TokenBad> bob2 just felt like it
[06:29] <setite> bob2: i get this everytime.. with su, sudo, sudo su and none
[06:29] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: your a lifesaver
[06:29] <setite> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[06:29] <bob2> setite: yes, I know
[06:29] <bob2> setite: do what I suggsted above
[06:30] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: I just use the bot to answer for me ;-)
[06:30] <setite> well if thats the case i suppose i will be getting linuxant or saying bugger all....
[06:30] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: haha that'll do it
[06:30] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: I actually don't use samba here (nfs instead)
[06:30] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: one more thing, how do you make your messages red like that?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: your client does that
[06:31] <bob2> setite: or you could just stop talking and actually go ask the ndiswrapper people
[06:31] <bob2> setite: perhaps all you need is a newer version
[06:31] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: presumably xchat - it highlights on your nick
[06:31] <aj_calrissian> I never thought to look on the freenode.net FAQ
[06:31] <f_newton> MrSt0ne, if they are addressed to you by name they show up red in your xchat window
[06:31] <MrSt0ne> f_newton: ok thank you
[06:32] <MrSt0ne> thoreauputic: good thing it has it, i probaly wouldnt have been helped
[06:32] <syx>  howdy, can anyone tell me what the system stats thing on the right of this is - http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/arabian-0.6-beta4.png - I would love to use it on my ubuntu laptop.
[06:32] <thoreauputic> MrSt0ne: you can configure colours/ beeps etc in settings
[06:32] <f_newton> yeah it says forbidden no permission to enter server
[06:33] <syx> oh
[06:33] <syx> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050905#1
[06:33] <syx> its there somwhere
[06:33] <syx> halfway down
[06:33] <Hoxzer> :E
[06:33] <setite> bob2: thats what im trying to do now.. how do i do that.. and what is the repo line at the ndiswrapper.sf.net for
[06:34] <bob2> apparently superkaramba
[06:34] <Hoxzer> Np: ac/Dc 06 -Rock Your Heart Out.mp3 [4:07] 
[06:34] <bob2> as the screenshot says
[06:34] <bob2> Hoxzer: please turn that off
[06:34] <bob2> setite: no, ask the ndiswrapper people, first
[06:34] <Hoxzer> :D
[06:34] <Hoxzer> wrong channel to sing songs
[06:35] <bob2> wrong channel to have silly scripts running in
[06:35] <Hoxzer> I dont have script
[06:35] <syx> thannks
[06:35] <Hoxzer> I only use copy now playing and write np before it
[06:36] <thoreauputic> !msg
[06:36] <ubotu> please don't /msg people or start a personal message/ dcc chat without asking first in channel. People might be busy, and you have a better chance of an answer in the channel. Don't assume a particular user will be able to help you.
[06:37] <aru> in audacity I cannt change from mic to line in for recording device... if anyone has any ideas feel free to pinch my inner thigh
[06:37] <TokenBad> ok
[06:37] <TokenBad> got the error its giving
[06:37] <TokenBad> resume data save error fails
[06:37] <intelikey> aru aumix ?
[06:37] <synd> is ext3 the best for linux?
[06:38] <f_newton> I think so
[06:38] <holycow> its kinda the wrong question
[06:38] <f_newton> but there are many choices
[06:38] <aru> intelikey: ?
[06:38] <graeme> synd, it's a matter of taste, xfs is 'better' though.
[06:38] <holycow> it really should read: is ext3 the best choice for my needs
[06:38] <holycow> or in case, your needs
[06:38] <holycow> for me, i use reiser exclusively
[06:38] <TokenBad> bob2 does azureus have a irc channel for help?
[06:38] <synd> im talking about stability.
[06:39] <synd> stability is key.
[06:39] <f_newton> I think better should be defined in this case
[06:39] <holycow> synd thats a terrible question too
[06:39] <synd> i dont give a shit
[06:39] <graeme> synd are you upgrading or supporting an older system?
[06:39] <holycow> if a file system isn't stable, its not production ready, and it's not released
[06:39] <synd> whats the best for stability?
[06:39] <holycow> a file system CANNOT be unstable
[06:39] <synd> ive read that reiser is instable.
[06:39] <f_newton> holycow yes it can be and many have been
[06:39] <holycow> i.e. all filesystems are stable that are production ready
[06:39] <synd> and various others.
[06:39] <f_newton> reiser is not my first choice
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> ive herd of many people with problems with reiserfs.. I just use ext3
[06:40] <f_newton>  I prefer ext3 (ext2 with journaling) but Ive been told that xfs is also fairly good
[06:40] <holycow> i've read that too, but its just wrong
[06:40] <synd> ok thanks.
[06:40] <synd> peace kids
[06:40] <f_newton> basically it has to do with your partition and file size needs
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> and if you access a lot of little files, or a few BIG files.. ect.
[06:40] <f_newton> yes
[06:41] <f_newton> for almost every user they will find ext3 the best choice
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> so for general ussage - buy most 'common' people - i'd say stick with ext3
[06:41] <f_newton> but there are examples where xfs is necessary
[06:41] <thoreauputic> OK people - we don't really need a file system war - whatever works for you
[06:41] <graeme> f_newton, when is xfs neccessary, what does it do better?
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> i have an add onfor  Windows XP that lets me use ext3 with it. :P
[06:41] <f_newton> thoreauputic, the man asked a reasonable question and should get reasonable answers
[06:42] <efunk> i'm new to linux, very new, and this is going to sound very dumb to most of you
[06:42] <efunk> but i have no idea how to install an rpm
[06:42] <f_newton> it handles really large volumes better
[06:42] <bob2> efunk: you don't, in general
[06:42] <bob2> efunk: what is it?
[06:42] <efunk> in general
[06:42] <holycow> efunk, its only a dumb question if you don't listen to the answers :)
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> efunk,  - ubuntu is not an rpm based disrto.
[06:42] <durt> rpms are fine
[06:42] <durt> just use alien
[06:42] <thoreauputic> f_newton: agreed - just that I've seen fs discussions turn into off-topic arguments :)
[06:42] <holycow> efunk, you can generally convert rpms to deb files with alien
[06:42] <bob2> in the sense that amputation if you have gangrene is "fine"
[06:43] <BadaBing> hello everyone
[06:43] <efunk> alright, so i need to get alien
[06:43] <f_newton> yeah well this room does happen to get populated by debian dweebs
[06:43] <bob2> efunk: in general, you don't, because ubuntu has basically everything you could want
[06:43] <graeme> efunk, it's often easier to find the same package as a deb though.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> and safer
[06:43] <bob2> efunk: if it's a proprietary stuff that only comes as an rpm, tho, you can use alien
[06:43] <bob2> efunk: what specific case are you asking about?
[06:43] <setite> bob2: do you know how to remove drivers installed with ndiswrapper
[06:43] <efunk> well limewire for instance, or, well yeah, limewire is mainly what i want unless you guys can give me a better p2p for ubuntu
[06:43] <setite> bob2: or can i leave the two on that i have so far
[06:43] <f_newton> alien -d wont work with all rpms
[06:43] <bob2> setite: don't know
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> there is a summary of the various p2p clients and networks - on the ubuntu wikis
[06:44] <f_newton> while it will produce a .deb file it may not function
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Limewire is just one of many gnutella clients.
[06:44] <efunk> what would you guys recommend as a limewire subsitute
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Limewire also requires the offical sun java installed last i looked.
[06:44] <efunk> substitute*
[06:44] <f_newton> it is best to stick with adding from the official repos
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> efunk,  depoends on yoru needs - check the wiki and see what suits you.
[06:45] <efunk> do i just type in p2p in the search?
[06:45] <holycow> no read the wiki first
[06:45] <holycow> then search
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt read the wiki. :P
[06:45] <TokenBad> anyone know where I can get help with azureus?
[06:45] <holycow> what help do you need TokenBad ?
[06:45] <ugo> the most decent p2p client i know is edonkey
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> azureus --> yet another p2p client  ?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> ----> pizza
[06:46] <TokenBad> its giving errors after downloading only a little of a file
[06:46] <TokenBad> know its not space
[06:46] <TokenBad> have 18 gigs free
[06:46] <intelikey>  ------<    ooops
[06:46] <holycow> thats an issue for the auzerous channels and their support board TokenBad
[06:46] <durt> efunk: you dont need the rpm, you can use the "other" download of limwire
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> one good thing about all the different p2p clients.. if one fails.. try another.
[06:46] <TokenBad> thats why I asked about somewhere to get help
[06:46] <holycow> its a java app, its not even packaged for ubuntu
[06:47] <efunk> other download of limewire?
[06:47] <holycow> TokenBad, go to their website, look for forums, mail support, or references to irc channels
[06:47] <holycow> its quite a popular torrent client, there has to be other users with your error message
[06:47] <TokenBad> don't see any..thats why asked here
[06:47] <durt> on the download page click the "other" buttion
[06:47] <holycow> alternatively don't forget to google your error message
[06:47] <setite> bob2: thanks for your help... im gonna give up.. too much bs to work through
[06:48] <bob2> setite: ok
[06:48] <durt> setite: what do you want to do?
[06:48] <CrashBox> hey all, do u all know if flash is upported on the amd64 bit version of ubuntu or kubuntu?
[06:48] <Acktifujit> nope
[06:48] <bob2> ask Adobe to make an amd64 plugin
[06:48] <bob2> aka no
[06:49] <f_newton> adobe?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> CrashBox,  no flash on 64bit disrto at this time that i know of.
[06:49] <setite> well from what i gather i need to compile ndiswrapper because my errors are due to ndiswrapper being built for a different kernel
[06:49] <f_newton> macromedia makes flash
[06:49] <bob2> doesn't adobe own macromedia?
[06:49] <CrashBox> lol,f_newton, thats what i was thinking
[06:49] <holycow> TokenBad, i didn't even google and it turns out there is a #azureus channel
[06:49] <kevogod> bob2, Not quote yet.
[06:49] <killapop> f_newton: adobe aquired macromedia
[06:49] <holycow> why not try there?
[06:49] <Acktifujit> i've heard its possible to compile a 32bit version of firefox, then install the flash plugin into that...
[06:49] <bob2> setite: that's not the case, unless you installed random ndiswrapper modules from outside ubuntu
[06:49] <f_newton> setite you must use the right build of ndiswrapper for your kernel
[06:49] <bob2> Acktifujit: yes, but not trivial
[06:49] <durt> setite: download the source, extract it, "make", "make install"
[06:50] <f_newton> you can rebuild it to suit your kernel
[06:50] <setite> i used the one on the ubuntu repo... got the error
[06:50] <Kuolio> *krhm* there is the opengl-flash available for 64bit :)
[06:50] <bob2> setite: that error is not caused by a version mismatch
[06:50] <setite> seveas told me to install linux-k7... still erroring
[06:50] <f_newton> lol yeah
[06:50] <holycow> Kuolio, opengl-flash?
[06:50] <setite> ndiswrapper wiki says it is a mismatch
[06:50] <holycow> i gotta check that out :)
[06:50] <TokenBad> holycow, where did you see that?
[06:50] <bob2> setite: url?
[06:50] <setite> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#When_I_run_.27modprobe_ndiswrapper.27.2C_I_get_.27Invalid_module_format.27_error._What_do_I_do.3F
[06:50] <f_newton> well you either have the wrong module of ndiswrapper or you will have to use an i386 vanilla kernel
[06:50] <holycow> TokenBad, dude, just do /join #azereus or whatever its spelled
[06:51] <intelikey> when in doubt /join #<what-ever-you-are-working-on>  and if you are the only one there.  then leave, or start a help channel on that app.
[06:51] <holycow> lol pretty much it indeed
[06:51] <setite> intelikey: my problem with that is the room is always dead
[06:52] <bob2> setite: that's not the error you got
[06:52] <durt> setite: do you have the kernel headers install?
[06:52] <bob2> setite: you had "permission denied"
[06:53] <f_newton> well have fun guyz... and remember debian is not a deity... just certain misguided braindeads think it is
[06:53] <bob2> wtf
[06:54] <holycow> *sigh*
[06:54] <setite> yea i know bob... i just figured that coulod be it since i got a kernel error] 
[06:54] <TokenBad> holycow, thanks..will do that
[06:54] <bob2> "got a kernel error"?
[06:54] <holycow> TokenBad, no worries
[06:54] <setite> well it was somethign abotu the kernel
[06:54] <bob2> you need to remember that no one else can see your ocmputer
[06:54] <durt> setite: have you compiled ndiswrapper from source yet?
[06:54] <setite> im grabbing for straws here
[06:54] <setite> nope
[06:54] <Razor-X> hmmm, how would I create a list with Alphabetical outline items, like `A' and `B' in LaTeX?
[06:55] <durt> compile from source then
[06:55] <setite> dont know how... and im just a little ticked that the ubuntu repo one didnt work
[06:55] <bob2> Razor-X: an enumerated list with letters?
[06:55] <Razor-X> bob2: yeah
[06:55] <Razor-X> enumerate environment by default specifies numbers
[06:56] <dreamie> ok here it goes
[06:56] <durt> setite:  http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[06:56] <durt> ubuntu repos occasionally dont work btw
[06:56] <dreamie> when my computer boots i get all these errors usually of amixer commands that can't go through..anways it makes my computer beep. is there something i can do about this
[06:56] <Orborde> Awhile back I chmod'ed everything in /usr/bin to something weird. It has since caused all manner of problems, some of which I've fixed and some of which I haven
[06:57] <Orborde> t. Is there any way I can fix them en masse?
[06:57] <aru> what is Jack and how do I get it running? :)
[06:57] <TokenBad> how can I find a file on ubuntu?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> dreamie: possibly you need to paste the errors on the pastebin so people can read them
[06:57] <bob2> Orborde: reinstall every package that put binaries in /usr/bin/
[06:58] <TokenBad> or search the system for a file?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> !tell dreamie about paste
[06:58] <setite> for the record here are the two drivers ive installed so far
[06:58] <bob2> TokenBad: locate blah
[06:58] <setite> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[06:58] <setite> netbc564        driver present, hardware present
[06:58] <bob2> TokenBad: which is updated daily
[06:58] <TokenBad> that didn't work
[06:58] <wickedpuppy> TokenBad, try find / -name "file-name" -print
[06:58] <Orborde> bob2: I don't suppose there's some cleverly efficient way of doing that?
[06:58] <setite> the bcm is what i should be using.. the netbc is the one that is buggering my i think.. its the error i see on load
[06:58] <bob2> Orborde: of course, it's one line of shell
[06:58] <aru> Places > Search for Files
[06:59] <aru> :)
[06:59] <Orborde> bob2: That being sudo rm -rf / ?
[06:59] <setite> durt: you are a god
[06:59] <bob2> Orborde: no
[06:59] <thoreauputic> aru: jack is a sound daemon and you can install it - search for jackd
[06:59] <bob2> that being be quiet while I write it for you
[06:59] <nickrud> and, when all else fails, packages.ubuntu.com ;P
[06:59] <durt> setite: what are you smoking?
[06:59] <Orborde> bob2: Genius. Thanks.
[06:59] <setite> well the modprobe took
[06:59] <aru> thoreauputic: it already is, now what?
[06:59] <setite> it was the extra driver that i needed to remove
[07:00] <durt> and the lights are on?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> aru: what are you using it for? ( what app etc ?)
[07:00] <aru> Ardour
[07:00] <setite> well im runnign through the next steps
[07:00] <bob2> Orborde: sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -S /usr/bin/* | awk ' { print $1 } ' | sort -u | sed -e 's/:$//')
[07:01] <Orborde> bob2: Ouch. Thanks.
[07:01] <bob2> ouch?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> aru: ah - I haven't used ardour: jack has a man page, or you can find info probably on the ardour website
[07:02] <Orborde> bob2: That is long and complicated
[07:02] <thoreauputic> aru: I've only played with jack ( for midi support in Rosegarden4)
[07:02] <Orborde> bob2: And I only partially understand it.
[07:02] <bob2> Orborde: it should work
[07:02] <setite> durt: brb imma restart real quick..
[07:02] <thoreauputic> Orborde: copy paste it ;)
[07:02] <intelikey> -bash: sudo: command not found  <---- hehhe that is not an error so don't try to help me :)
[07:03] <bob2> Orborde: the only issue appears to be with symlinks
[07:03] <bob2> because they don't belong to a package
[07:03] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[07:03] <bob2> but their permissions don't matter, so you should be fine
[07:03] <nickrud> bob2, now that is a template I will save carefully, thanks
[07:04] <bob2> heh
[07:04] <XhyldazhK> my keyboard was in latin american layout, but now, in latest breezy, seems that 'la' means Laos instead of Latin America
[07:05] <intelikey> XhyldazhK try es ?
[07:05] <Orborde> bob2: Done this sort of recovery before, have you?
[07:05] <XhyldazhK> I am right now in 'es' layout, but the login screen still is in laos language
[07:05] <bob2> Orborde: no
[07:05] <bob2> just came up with it then
[07:06] <intelikey> install local-es ?
[07:06] <Razor-X> bob2: wow, you're versed in awk also?
[07:06] <Myrtti> good Morning everyone!
[07:07] <Myrtti> (emphasis on the morning, hence capital letter)
[07:07] <noirequus> Razor-X: bob2 knows everything
[07:07] <XhyldazhK> intelikey, i did that from the language selector
[07:07] <Razor-X> noirequus: meh ;)
[07:07] <Orborde> bob2: You > me
[07:07] <thoreauputic> hey Myrtti , haven't seen you much lately :)
[07:08] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: work and school :-(
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: ah
[07:08] <aru> this jack thing is kind of dsumb :)
[07:08] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:08] <Myrtti> oatmeal porridge awaits me
[07:08] <Orborde> bob2: Okay, I finished backing up files and tried it. It had some issues.
[07:08] <thoreauputic> aru: kind of hard to configure, I found
[07:08] <Razor-X> Orborde: you can't understand the script though?
[07:09] <Lichte> Hi all
[07:09] <bob2> Orborde: e.g.?
[07:09] <deFrysk> XhyldazhK, sude dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[07:09] <aru> thoreauputic: all I want to do is record from line 2 on my front panel instead of the mic input in the back :)
[07:09] <XhyldazhK> ooohh...
[07:09] <Orborde> Razor-X: Only some of it. As far as I can tell, it lists the contents of /usr/bin and feeds them into apt-get reinstall
[07:09] <XhyldazhK> let me try that
[07:09] <holycow> heh
[07:09] <holycow> i just wore out my ubuntu installation cd :)
[07:09] <holycow> time to dl a new iso
[07:09] <Myrtti> holycow: hehe
[07:10] <Lichte> has anyone tried to upgrade to breezy with success ?
[07:10] <deFrysk> sudo*
[07:10] <thoreauputic> aru: have you tried #ardour? THere must be such a channel...
[07:10] <bob2> Orborde: dpkg -S returns "packagename: /usr/bin/blah", awk prints only the first bit ($1), sed strips the trailing :, apt-get installs that list
[07:10] <aru> thoreauputic: nah, the program looked like too much for my needs anyway
[07:10] <durt> yes lichte
[07:11] <Lichte> durt, are the instructions on the wiki accurate ?
[07:11] <bob2> Orborde: as I said, it won't work on symlinks; it doesn't matter, tho, since the permissions on symlinks don't matter
[07:11] <aapelii> How do I set the windowmanager to not raise window that I click, so that windows are only raised by cliking the titlebar?
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: Sorry about the mass paste; I'll pastebin it.
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: Terminal output: http://pastebin.com/355836
[07:11] <Orborde> bob2: It terminated without apparently doing anything.
[07:12] <bob2> aapelii: install devilspie
[07:12] <setite> activating wlan0.. its taking a while
[07:12] <setite> should i set the ESSID?
[07:12] <bob2> Orborde: check you typed it correctly, it works here
[07:12] <bob2> Orborde: or did apt print an error?
[07:13] <durt> lichte: i just "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:13] <setite> ok wlan0 is activated
[07:13] <setite> woot.. thanks durt... its only a matter of time now
[07:13] <durt> good job setite :)
[07:13] <Orborde> bob2: E: Couldn't find package autoconf2.13,
[07:13] <Orborde> bob2: (stop)
[07:13] <Lichte> durt, that didn't work for me; I had to re-install hoary
[07:13] <bob2> Orborde: there you go then
[07:13] <setite> durt: one question though.. i have no lights
[07:13] <Lichte> oh well.........
[07:14] <bob2> Orborde: that's in hoary/main, your sources.list is lacking
[07:14] <aru> thoreauputic: if audacity would let me switch like its supposed to I would be done :)
[07:14] <setite> my emachine lappy has a light that turns on... there is a switch for it... its not turning on.. but the card is activated... does that matter?
[07:14] <durt> setite: whats the question?
[07:14] <dreamie> thoreauputic, the problem is that the errors go away.. and i cant stop the screen to get all the commands
[07:14] <dreamie> its in the begging of booting
[07:14] <Orborde> bob2: Where is sources.list?
[07:14] <setite> im getting no scan results
[07:14] <thoreauputic> aru: are you using esd? I had probelems with audacity while using esd - maybe try " killall esd"
[07:14] <setite> but im in a spotty area
[07:15] <bob2> Orborde: /etc/apt
[07:15] <setite> is there a gui for scanning that is included or should i get that one i saw on the forum that someone made
[07:15] <McScruff> lo
[07:15] <aru> thoreauputic: I don't think that did anything
[07:15] <thoreauputic> dreamie: if this is on bott up , try running dmesg | less to read the output
[07:15] <bob2> errors from aumix won't be in dmesg
[07:15] <McScruff> has anyone ever used win4lin?
[07:15] <bob2> they won't be anywhere but in bootlog
[07:15] <thoreauputic> aru: ah, well it was worth a try
[07:16] <wickedpuppy> setite, try xsane
[07:16] <setite> ok
[07:16] <bob2> McScruff: surely the win4lin company provides support for the software they sell?
[07:16] <durt> setite: go to sys>pref>network and activate wlan0
[07:16] <thoreauputic> aru: ah, see what bob2 said
[07:16] <setite> durt its activated :)
[07:16] <McScruff> bob2, dont need support
[07:16] <thoreauputic> bah sorry aru
[07:16] <aru> hang on
[07:16] <McScruff> i dont have it (yet)
[07:16] <setite> oh shit there is a crazy man in the parking lot
[07:16] <thoreauputic> dreamie: my post to aru was for you
[07:16] <Orborde> bob2: Hoary main appears to be there, though I'm not totally sure how to verify it.
[07:17] <setite> time to dial 911 and pull out the baton
[07:17] <setite> brb people
 thoreauputic, the problem is that the errors go away <-- you could run your command > ~/show.errors 2>&1       or possably just   command 2> ~/show.errors
[07:17] <McScruff> does it have to run all of windows os to run an app (like vmware) or does it run apps like wine
[07:17] <bob2> Orborde: apt-cache policy autoconf2.13, in #flood
[07:17] <aru> got me all confused now :)
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Synpaptic finds autoconf2.13
[07:17] <durt> setite: it works?
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Well, maybe not.
[07:17] <Orborde> bob2: Okay...
[07:17] <poningru> I had a question
[07:17] <dducko> Is there a way to disable the Print Screen Key from makeing its little popup.. like i have to push another key with it to make it work
[07:18] <poningru> who handles the repository mirrors?
[07:18] <poningru> are there any?
[07:18] <gm78> hey all. i want to run dvd shrink on ubuntu hoary. the version of wine that ships with hoary doesn't seem to work at all (ignores changes to config file). The one from Wine's apt repo is too new. I need 20050504. But Wine has only kept every release after that version. Anyone know where I can get the source?
[07:18] <poningru> how do I try to become one?
[07:18] <intelikey> dreamie that would file the error messages in show.errors file in your home dir.
[07:18] <evader> woohoo for dist-upgrading to breezy
[07:18] <evader> hope it works
[07:18] <aapelii> bob2: either I don't know how to use devilspie or then it is broken (Im using breezy). Should it work by just running it from command line?
[07:18] <evader> ....
[07:18] <poningru> dreamie: hey
[07:19] <bob2> aapelii: no idea; it has no documentation at all?
[07:19] <Orborde> bob2: Pasted
[07:20] <aapelii> bob2: Ill google around, maybe I can find something
[07:20] <aru> I'm getting a new mic, thats all there is to it
[07:24] <dreamie> interlikey, how do i do that?
[07:24] <dreamie> poningru: hey
[07:24] <intelikey> i think i already know the answer to this, but does ub have xfree86-3.6 ?
[07:25] <intelikey> sorry dreamie, what ?
[07:25] <dreamie> the errors
[07:25] <dreamie> what exactly do i do to record them
[07:25] <intelikey> what command are you running ?
[07:25] <dreamie> intelikey, i get the errors while the computer is booting
[07:26] <intelikey> heehhe  try dmesg dreamie :)
[07:27] <nicholaspaul> i'm trying to install a CDRW... shows in BIOS but I only have one CDROM showing under /media. can i just edit fstab?
[07:27] <poningru> nicholaspaul: yeah
[07:27] <regeya> o_O
[07:28] <poningru> no one answered my question
[07:28] <intelikey> or look in  /var/log/dmesg  the boot time errors might be in there. dreamie
[07:28] <aru> well... I wonder if the sound card is even working correctly
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> poningru. so i just add another /dev/hdb ? what should i use?
[07:28] <poningru> its a cdrw?
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> yea, cdrw
[07:28] <nicholaspaul> i have one, poningru, and installed a 2nd one
[07:29] <poningru> yeah I think that should do
[07:29] <thoreauputic> aru: have you checked the line in and so on in alsamixer?
[07:29] <poningru> hold on
[07:29] <nicholaspaul> kk
[07:29] <aru> thoreauputic: I maxed the heck out of everything
[07:29] <thoreauputic> aru: OK
[07:29] <thoreauputic> :(
[07:29] <intelikey> nicholaspaul yes you can edit fstab if you know the physical address.   /dev/hdc  or something.
[07:29] <aru> see the problem isn't that the mic has no sound
[07:30] <aru> it's that audacity and Sound Recorder don't let me select aux 2 to record from
[07:30] <nicholaspaul> thats it, intelikey, i dont know the physical address. But i do know its the secondary master, if that helps
[07:30] <intelikey> secondary master on ide is /dev/hdc
[07:31] <thoreauputic> aru: the resident sound guru seems to be crimsun - maybe you can catch hime when he's around
[07:31] <nicholaspaul> oh sweet, intelikey, i was trying to find some kind of equivelancy under the forum :)
[07:31] <intelikey> they start with a and count up from there
[07:31] <nicholaspaul> aaahhh....!!intelikey, the 'key' to the mystery :) thansk!
[07:31] <intelikey> np
[07:32] <nicholaspaul> thx intelikey. I best be getting to bed now! :) gnite
[07:32] <poningru> oh hehe
[07:34] <Myrtti> http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=108 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
[07:34] <dreamie> ok i got the dmesg.. i can i post it to show it to you all
[07:35] <dreamie> i dont know what causes the beeps
[07:35] <dreamie> but it might be that part where it repeats itself many times
[07:35] <dreamie> how can i post it?
[07:35] <intelikey> !+pastebin
[07:35] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:36] <setite> where is xsane
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: actually an inaccuracy on the first page - it's quite possible to do a minimal install of Ubuntu using the "server" option
[07:37] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yup, and that what bugs the writer
[07:37] <Myrtti> I'm actually going to do a minimal install very time soon
[07:37] <Myrtti> Is there a ubuntu deb of IceWM?
[07:37] <intelikey> it is all i can do on this box.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: yep
[07:38] <Myrtti> cool
[07:38] <Myrtti> I think I'll put that one in
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: and I should have read a bit more - you're right, he mentions the possibility
[07:38] <intelikey> yes Myrtti   if you have setup your sources  do apt-cache search <what ever you want>
[07:38] <Myrtti> intelikey: nooooo, really ;-)
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you'll need x-window-system or x-window-system-core as well
[07:39] <Myrtti> but icewm is dependant on those, so if I do a minimal install and apt-get icewm ... it should come in too, n'est pas?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: not sure on that
[07:40] <Myrtti> hm
[07:40] <Myrtti> have to check that
[07:40] <zcat[1] > i would expect so
[07:40] <Myrtti> then
[07:40] <intelikey> yes it will
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: check the deps for icewm
[07:40] <intelikey> but an xserver will still be needed
[07:41] <intelikey> none of them do
[07:41] <aru> thoreauputic: you actually use audacity?
[07:41] <zcat[1] > really?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> zcat[1] : true, I just installed the x stuff anyway so I didn't really notice :)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> aru: occasionally
[07:42] <intelikey> i do have.   the button on the face of it selects mic or line# aru
[07:42] <ironuckles> does anyone know of a tutorial or documentation for writing better sleep and resume scripts for my laptop?
[07:42] <aru> thoreauputic: where it gives you the ability to switch between mic and line, does it actually say anything?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> aru: hang on
[07:42] <Myrtti> I think it's not dependant on x straight, but thru other packages
[07:42] <intelikey> the button on the face of it selects mic or line# aru
[07:43] <aru> intelikey: mine is blank
[07:43] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:43] <aru> does that mean my soundcard is setup wrong?
[07:43] <zcat[1] > check that it's configged for the correct device..
[07:43] <intelikey> hmmmmm
[07:43] <Myrtti> I should mail the girls and ask when I could come and fulfill my dreams of installin Ubuntu on the computer
[07:43] <Myrtti> I've been pulling my hair of because of W98SE on it so many time
[07:43] <aru> I can listen to music and sing along with the mic no problem :)
[07:43] <Myrtti> s
[07:43] <intelikey> i don't know.  i've never tried to run audacity on a system with bork sound.
[07:44] <aru> I just can find anything to record from aux2 with
[07:44] <intelikey> aru try cli
[07:44] <zcat[1] > mine shows line / line1 / pcm / pcm2 / mic / cd
[07:44] <Myrtti> either I install Ubuntu on it or throw it down from the third floor balcony
[07:44] <aru> zcat[1] : did you install from repos or build it yourself?
[07:44] <setite> where is xsane i cant find it
[07:45] <zcat[1] > apt-got it
[07:45] <aru> thats what I did
[07:45] <aru> what soundcard?
[07:45] <Myrtti> oh yes, the porridge
[07:45] <ironuckles> This is sort of a specific question concerning sound... Is there a better way to get zsnes to work with sound other than running killall esd?
[07:45] <setite> anyoen?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> aru: none of my mic options are greyed out/ blank
[07:45] <intelikey> aumix   and select the device you want to record from, then record and see if you hardware is working correctly.
[07:45] <vbgunz> hello everyone
[07:46] <ironuckles> hello
[07:46] <aru> mines blank
[07:46] <aru> I can't change it at all
[07:46] <omp342> at exactly 11:00pm (14 minutes) i'll finish downloading hoary :)
[07:46] <ironuckles> omp342, congrats
[07:46] <vbgunz> whats todays tip?
[07:46] <aru> I dont know what aumix is
[07:47] <omp342> i already have a copy on a cd but i don't want the amd64 version
[07:47] <dreamie> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1948
[07:47] <omp342> they don't like ati drivers
[07:47] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: today's tip is "Don't ask what today's tip is " ;-)
[07:47] <ironuckles> lol
[07:47] <Myrtti> Ain't it great that Ubuntu actually DOES know how to calculate when the downloads finish up :-)
[07:47] <vbgunz> I found a good one... I always thought you should never have to reboot Linux... *BUT* I found myself rebooting it sometimes just to get some things done... Any how, the following is sweet... "sudo init 1" then when the screen is done rolling "sudo init 2"...
[07:47] <vbgunz> ;)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: ah yes, but that's still cheating ;)
[07:48] <vbgunz> is there a better way?
[07:48] <bob2> why would you need to run that?
[07:48] <aru> ok I got aumix... now what
[07:48] <vbgunz> I've been dying to find that one out
[07:48] <zcat[1] > /etc/init.d/foo restart
[07:48] <bob2> just restart the daemons you care about
[07:48] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: as always, it depends
[07:49] <vbgunz> it reboots linux without actually rebooting linux "I think"...
[07:49] <omp342> can't you just restart x?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: not exactly
[07:49] <Xorlev> You can reboot X
[07:50] <vbgunz> yeah... Ctrl+Alt+Backspace I learned *BUT* it would never come back... it would just stay black... That was one of the reasons I would reboot ;)
[07:50] <zcat[1] > /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:50] <Xorlev> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[07:50] <bob2> or sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[07:50] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: it reruns scripts that atart in runlevel 2 IIRC
[07:50] <zcat[1] > that too.
[07:50] <dreamie> did everyone see my page. that is the error thing page http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1948
[07:51] <vbgunz> sudo reboot x? I noticed Linux is very case sensitive... so x is x or X?
[07:51] <Xorlev> Which error is it dreamie?
[07:51] <Xorlev> X is XOrg
[07:51] <aru> so I suppose this means my soundcard is setup wrong?
[07:51] <omp342> i just do 'main menu>log out' and write startx (i don't have a graphical logon)
[07:51] <bob2> vbgunz: ignore that, read what zcat[1]  and I said
[07:51] <ironuckles> just run killall x
[07:51] <Xorlev> Kill X, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:52] <Xorlev> Then run /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:52] <vbgunz> yeah I use to do sudo-dpkg reconfigure-xorg "I think" and then I would have to end up rebooting... Ctrl+Alt+Backspace never worked for me... But init 1 and init 2 seemed to work ok ...
[07:52] <bob2> no
[07:52] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[07:52] <bob2> that's all you need to do
[07:52] <Xorlev> Either works.
[07:52] <vbgunz> ok if I try that now I would definitely knock out IRC huh?
[07:53] <Xorlev> Yes.
[07:53] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: yep
[07:53] <bob2> depends how you're running your irc client
[07:53] <aru> thoreauputic: what sound card do you have?
[07:53] <vbgunz> hehe :)
[07:53] <Xorlev> Unless you opened up another console and used a text based client like irssi
[07:53] <bob2> mine's in screen, so would survive that
[07:53] <thoreauputic> aru: a crappy sis7012 onboard
[07:53] <vbgunz> cool, I am logging this... I found learning linux is a never ending log
[07:53] <clarkstella> heh
[07:53] <clarkstella> speaking of which
[07:54] <vbgunz> thanks fellas
[07:54] <aru> hmm
[07:54] <TokenBad> whats command to install inetd?
[07:54] <clarkstella> i'm trying to follow the instructions on the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LowEndSystemSupport
[07:54] <TokenBad> apt-get install what?
[07:54] <clarkstella> but the docs are wrong
[07:54] <TokenBad> identd even
[07:54] <aru> I'm gunna order a new one
[07:54] <vbgunz> I gotta try... brb >:)
[07:54] <dreamie> Xorlev, i dont know which error it is
[07:54] <Xorlev> What is your problem in the first place dreamie?
[07:54] <dreamie> Xorlev, somewhere around the middle it causes my computer to do a series of beeps
[07:55] <dreamie> xorlev, those beeps! i want it to stop
[07:55] <Xorlev> Turn off the buzzer in BIOS?
[07:55] <clarkstella> dreamie that's usually labled "system beep" in the bios setup screens
[07:56] <thoreauputic> dreamie: or maybe in a tty " setterm -blength 0 "
[07:57] <thoreauputic> ... or make it a different pitch with " setterm -bfreq 440 "  <---- how to use the beep to tune to "A"
[07:57] <thoreauputic> heh
[07:57] <bob2> TokenBad: oidentd is a nice one
[07:57] <CCFIEL> hello..pll..
[07:57] <Xorlev> Make it play Mary had a Little Lamb during Kernel boot o.o
[07:57] <bob2> TokenBad: bear in mind it will not be accessible to anyone on the internet if you're behind a NAT machine
[07:57] <Xorlev> Hello...CCFIEL.
[07:57] <CCFIEL> has somebody installed splashy in there ubunto?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> hah @ Xorlev
[07:57] <CCFIEL> hello xorlev..
[07:58] <dreamie> what do i do thoreauputic ?
[07:58] <omp342> just by mounting with CIFS i can write to an ntfs partition on another comp in the network :)
[07:58] <_setite> for the record im getting horrible/no signal on networks i know are available
[07:58] <_setite> im tryign to figure out why] 
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dreamie: people have given you several answers - try them
[07:58] <_setite> i can get closer but i dont like this
[07:58] <BadaBing> hello guyz
[07:58] <vbgunz> heh... sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart didn't exact work at all...
[07:58] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had splashy but could not figure out how to get it to not fuck up my boot screen
[07:59] <Xorlev> vbgunz: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:59] <_setite> imma grab gtkwifi.. maybe ill have better luck
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Xorlev: sam thing really
[07:59] <thoreauputic> *same
[07:59] <dreamie> i dont want to hear mary had a little lamb in linux kernal
[07:59] <vbgunz> i type that into the console from Ctrl+Alt+1 correct?
[07:59] <Xorlev> I know...are you using Kubuntu then?
[07:59] <dreamie> sorry didnt think that was a real answer
[07:59] <_setite> is there a way to determine where an application will install to?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> dreamie: disable the beep in the BIOS, as people have suggested
[08:00] <intelikey> man apt-cache
[08:00] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ic.. but you have installed it in your system?
[08:00] <Xorlev> dreamie: thoreauputic told you to enter setterm -blength 0 in a tty, mine was just an offtopic comment.
[08:00] <ironuckles> _setite, try locate <whatever> after install
[08:00] <dreamie> setterm -bfreq 440? how?
[08:00] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, no, i'm not using it now
[08:00] <CCFIEL> oh..ic..
[08:01] <omp342> yay im done downloading ubuntu
[08:01] <BadaBing> i am currently using Ubuntu on Centrino laptop 1.8ghz and runing kernel 2.6.10-5-386 will updating it to 686 give me any performance gains?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: that just makes the beep tune to a frequency of 440 hz
[08:01] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: oh..ic..do you know any alternative of splashy?
[08:01] <vbgunz> that was the quickest reboot yet
[08:01] <Xorlev> CCFIEL: bootsplash
[08:01] <vbgunz> nice
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dreamie: and that's a literal command
[08:02] <omp342> to burn the iso, do i just do:  cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -v -eject -data ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso  ?
[08:02] <vbgunz> so cool... so basically is this the reason why Linux never shuts down or why it rarely needs to shut down?
[08:02] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I have seen several tutorials for editing config files to create the same type of splash screen like in fedora core, but havent tried any
[08:02] <ironuckles> try googling it
[08:02] <Xorlev> I'm out, night
[08:02] <thoreauputic> dreamie: the problem with using setterm is it won't persist acrossreboots, hence the BIOS is a better way
[08:02] <vbgunz> Good night Xorlev!
[08:02] <vbgunz> THANKS!
[08:02] <Xorlev> np
[08:02] <clarkstella> the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LowEndSystemSupport are out of date.  can someone tell me how to install the current version of xfce with the current version of Synaptic?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: search for xfce4
[08:03] <clarkstella> it comes up with nothing
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: you need the "4"
[08:03] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, if you get something to work let me know :-)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: it's in universe
[08:03] <clarkstella> i gave it the "4"
[08:03] <thoreauputic> !info xfce4
[08:03] <ubotu> xfce4: (The Xfce4 Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1.1-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[08:03] <BadaBing> anyone guyz?
[08:03] <clarkstella> "universe" isn't where the docs say it is.  i can't find it
[08:03] <CCFIEL> Xorlev: is there any backport for bootsplash?
[08:04] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ok :)
[08:04] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: enable the universe repo in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:04] <de-almasy> hello ubuntu
[08:04] <de-almasy> why are you on #1 in distrowatch
[08:04] <vbgunz> hello
[08:04] <CCFIEL> Xorlev: is there any backport  or repo for bootsplash?
[08:04] <vbgunz> Ubuntu number 1?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: you just uncomment the lines - it's easy enough
[08:05] <clarkstella> yeah, but that involves edititng with root permissions, and i don't know how to do that
[08:05] <aftertaf> sudo
[08:05] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <de-almasy> sudo nano makes good rhythm
[08:06] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: ctrl-x to save and exit (confirm changes with "y")
[08:06] <Madpilot> "sudo gedit <whatever>" if you want a GUI editor...
[08:06] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I think he's doing a minimal install ?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> so he may not have X
[08:06] <vbgunz> anyone here play doom 3 on linux? is it any good in comparison to Windows?
[08:07] <Madpilot> ah, sorry. the dangers of doing a drive-by posting while I'm actually doing other stuff...
[08:08] <aftertaf> lol Madpilot :)
[08:08] <poningru> oops sorry
[08:08] <CCFIEL> is there any backport  or repo for bootsplash?
[08:08] <clarkstella> oh hey.  i've never used nano before.  and it doesn't suck.
[08:08] <clarkstella> nice.
[08:08] <vbgunz> nano?
[08:09] <ironuckles> nano is a n00b editor ;-)
[08:09] <vbgunz> text editor like gedit?
[08:09] <thoreauputic> !ed
[08:09] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[08:09] <intelikey> jed is a windows convert editor...
[08:09] <clarkstella> but command line
[08:09] <ironuckles> vim all the way bitches
[08:09] <vbgunz> I love SciTE but haven't checked with the site to see any support for Linux though I think there is (I hope)
[08:09] <de-almasy> ed is editor for immortal
[08:10] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[08:10] <ubotu> joe is better than emacs
[08:10] <ironuckles> lol
[08:10] <vbgunz> notepad rules!
[08:10] <omp342> time to install ubuntu :)
[08:10] <omp342> brb guys
[08:10] <aftertaf> !vim
[08:10] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you smoking crack?
[08:10] <de-almasy> joe is average, cant be better hehe
[08:10] <No1Viking> I would like to move the data I have in /home to another partition. Is it possible and how should I do it?
[08:10] <vbgunz> 8 bit edition rocks
[08:10] <omp342> i like nano
[08:10] <omp342> :P
[08:10] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE edior, the only one
[08:10] <ubotu> aftertaf: okay
[08:10] <clarkstella> speaking of sudo, can someone tell me how root is set up with the default  install?  it doesn't ask you what you want your root passwd to be, only to create a user account.  does it set the root and first user passwd to the same thing?
[08:10] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE editor, the only one
[08:10] <ubotu> ...but vim is already something else...
[08:11] <aftertaf> !forget vim
[08:11] <ubotu> aftertaf: i forgot vim
[08:11] <aftertaf> ubotu, vim is like THE editor, the only one
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !tell clarkstella about root
[08:11] <ironuckles> ubotu, what is vim?
[08:11] <ubotu> ironuckles: what are you talking about?
[08:11] <Madpilot> aftertaf: spamming the bot is a no-no... ;)
[08:11] <omp342> clarkstella: yes, in sudo you use your normal password
[08:11] <vbgunz> nano better than gedit?
[08:11] <Madpilot> !forget vim
[08:11] <aftertaf> not spamming, correcting my spelling mistakes
[08:11] <clarkstella> what if i want to log in as root?
[08:11] <brownie17> !vim
[08:11] <ubotu> No idea, brownie17
[08:11] <hyphenated> how about turning the bot into a zealot.. is that ok?
[08:11] <ironuckles> ubotu, is it ok to abuse irc bots?
[08:11] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ironuckles
[08:11] <omp342> vbgunz: i usually use gedit
 clarkstella: yes, in sudo you use your normal password  <== kind of out of sense at first
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[08:11] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[08:11] <brownie17> !botabuse?
[08:11] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[08:11] <omp342> :P
[08:11] <intelikey> i desided that i was not gonig to like vi*  so to keep it from happening i always uninstall vi* when i first install a system.   :)
[08:12] <Madpilot> intelikey: :P
[08:12] <vbgunz> im using it because it's what came with Ubuntu otherwise SciTE is associated with any text file on Windows for me ;)
[08:12] <intelikey> :)
[08:12] <CCFIEL> hello...how can i do with this error?   splashy: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 is to be installed
[08:12] <CCFIEL>            Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-22 but it is not installable
[08:12] <clarkstella> what if i want to log in as root?
[08:12] <Myrtti> !root
[08:12] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:12] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, did you install a non-ubuntu deb file recently...?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: your /etc/apt/sources.list is borked, I'd say
[08:13] <bimberi> clarkstella: you shouldn't need to
[08:13] <intelikey> clarkstella sudo su   and run passwd   then you can login as root if you want to.
[08:13] <animepunkw> anyone have an idea why i can't play mp3's in xmms i get an error "couldn't open audio, Please check that: Your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard" . i can actauly get xine to play mp3's or video's with sound . any idea's ?
[08:13] <brownie17> can anyone help me, when i start up, my comp keeps hangning on "*starting eneterpirse volume management group"
[08:13] <vbgunz> you can enable it though if you search on the forums... someone posted how to do it and got flamed on for it...
[08:13] <thoreauputic> clarkstella: for a root shell you can do sudo -i
[08:13] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: what do you mean by borked?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: wrong, broken
[08:14] <aftertaf> brownie17:  can you start in recovery mode?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: are you using 3rd party repositories?
[08:14] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had the same problem. Try editing your /etc/apt/source.list file and adding all the extra repos first.
[08:14] <brownie17> aftertaf: it starts allright, but it takes AGES!, sometimes it works fine though
[08:14] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: i think so...i just followed in the ubuntu forums how to install splashy... this is what i addeded.. deb http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
[08:14] <aftertaf> ok. boot up fine, then disable the service... you dont need it
[08:14] <intelikey> brownie17 try adding "noevm" or what ever it is. to the command line at boot time.      press E  at the bootsplash.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: oh dear
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I had the same problem when i tried to remove splashy. it was a pain in the ass :-(
[08:15] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: don't use debian repos
[08:15] <aftertaf> brownie17:  when booted, install webmin and use it to disable service on boot
[08:15] <brownie17> intelikey: sounds dodgy, what does the enterprise volume managament gorup do any way?
[08:15] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: oh ic.. :( why i just followed what it says in the forum..
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, avoid debian repositories like the plague.
[08:15] <vbgunz> anybody here officially installed Ubuntu onto a USB drive? I am trying to install Ubuntu onto my SONY NW-HD1 Walkman which has a small 20G hard drive... problems though... Anyone kind enough to have got it working and know of some docs I can overlook, it'll be much appreciated
[08:15] <CCFIEL> ironuckles: ic..so...what shall i do?
[08:15] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I know. :-( I had to have someone on the forums, some admin help me out.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: comment that out  and do an apt-get update, then run apt-get -f install without arguments, and pray a lot
[08:16] <ironuckles> CCFIEL, I wish i had kept a record of all that i did to fix it...
[08:17] <vbgunz> brb... a chiken pot pie just exploded in the oven... if I aint back in 5 call the fire department
[08:17] <brownie17> aftertaf: there are like thrity different plgunis for different things in webmin, like cd burning, and apache control. but do i just need the standard?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: following advice on the forums is all very well, but remember that you need to understand what the instructions are doing to your system
[08:17] <brownie17> aftertaf: what does EVM do anyway??
[08:18] <Madpilot> brownie17: EVM mounts your system's partitions on boot, AFAIK
[08:18] <intelikey> brownie17 you are industrious enough to use google to findout what it is and what is does.  but it it is throwing the kernel into a load loop then disable it.
[08:18] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: i have just finished.. doing apt-get update and -f
[08:18] <CCFIEL> whats next?
[08:18] <CCFIEL> how would i know my system is ok?
[08:18] <vbgunz> what is the command to completely eradicate linux?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: did it finish without errors?
[08:19] <brownie17> intelikey: without mounting system artitinos, won't that also stop me from booting!?!?!?
[08:19] <vbgunz> I need to see again so to know to avoid it...
[08:19] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: no errors..:)
[08:19] <CCFIEL> does it mean im ok?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: probably :)
[08:19] <CCFIEL> hehehehe
[08:20] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: see if you can do normal installs now...
[08:20] <intelikey> brownie17 if it is load looping it is not loading anyway.  it is trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and trying to load and....
[08:20] <CCFIEL> this is what is says kelly@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get -f install
[08:20] <CCFIEL> Reading package lists... Done
[08:20] <CCFIEL> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:20] <CCFIEL> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:20] <CCFIEL> is that good?
[08:20] <vbgunz> Whats CC doing thoreauputic?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: silence is golden
[08:21] <vbgunz> ya
[08:21] <thoreauputic> vbgunz: trying to fix an error caused by a 3rd party repo
[08:21] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: what do you mean? its that good? :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: I strongly suggest you ignore the howto you were following, BTW
[08:21] <vbgunz> oh thats all :|
[08:22] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: ok thanks..:D
[08:22] <intelikey> brownie17 i have to disable usb on this box because it load loops just like that.   after it has eaten up all the ram then it fails and errors out frees the ram it used up and continues with the boot process.
[08:22] <brownie17> intelikey: haha, so then if its not loaded right now, and my system is working fine, then why do i need it
[08:22] <CCFIEL> is there any ubuntu repo for splashy?:)
[08:22] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: if it didn't complain you are probably OK - just don't use non-ubuntu repos any more
[08:22] <intelikey> exactly brownie17
[08:22] <brownie17> intelikey: ok.
[08:22] <spafbnerf> hello :) i've grabbed a bunch of usenet postings using 'suck'.... i'd like to know wot app i can use to extract all the binaries out of these :)
[08:23] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: is there any ubuntu repo for splashy?
[08:23] <brownie17> intelikey: what is the command for webmin?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: maybe backports - but if you insist on using backports comment them out after you install your app
[08:23] <nalioth> CCFIEL: there will be
[08:24] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: you are just running risks because the versions are newer and can pull in dependencies that cause problems
[08:24] <intelikey> web<tab>  ?    btw brownie17 the reason mine load loops on usb is because it doesnt have any actual usb hardware.
[08:24] <aftertaf> brownie17:  open a browser and type https://localhost:10000
[08:24] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: do you know one that has a splashy? (backports?)
[08:24] <thoreauputic> !webmin
[08:24] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[08:24] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: nope
[08:25] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: but you can serch the backports repos
[08:25] <CCFIEL> nalioth: there will be? so its not yet availble? :(
[08:25] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: where can i search? :)
[08:25] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:26] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: it's all about the eyecandy...
[08:26] <nalioth> CCFIEL: as thoreauputic says, you are at risk running the latest and greatest...
[08:26] <nalioth> CCFIEL: breezy is supposed to have it
[08:26] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: and that scrolling text on bootup or shutdown is *scary* stuff... :P
[08:26] <tga> hey, I'm having some trouble installing mplayer with all the libs
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: terrifying ;-)
[08:26] <intelikey> lol Madpilot
[08:26] <HermanDE> Anybody have a bet about the eta for an  RC of Breezy?
[08:26] <vbgunz> haha
[08:27] <Madpilot> HermanDE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[08:27] <nalioth> CCFIEL: you see, in *nix, stable is thought nicer than "bling" (latest and greatest)
[08:27] <animepunkw> when i test the output/input sound from system > preferences > multimedia systems selector i get an error "Failed to construct test pipline for 'ESD-Enlightenment sound Deamonm" and i don't seem to be getting sound from anything but xine . can anyone help out a linux newb ?
[08:27] <HermanDE> Madpilot: Yep...  Seen it...  It feels like Breezy is going slow....
[08:27] <CCFIEL> thoreaputic: its important because im trying to convert my sister laptop with ubunto from xp...when she sees.....text pooping up in her screen...she will panic..
[08:28] <vbgunz> i believe you
[08:28] <spafbnerf> hello :) i've grabbed a bunch of usenet postings using 'suck'.... i'd like to know wot app i can use to extract all the binaries out of these :) help me, ubuntu usenet pirates ....
[08:28] <CCFIEL> so ...i decided to install slpashy..
[08:28] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+backports+&btnG=Search&meta=  <--first hit
[08:28] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:28] <tga> is there a mplayer guide? the marillat packages don't seem to like ubuntu
[08:28] <Madpilot> HermanDE: it's right on schedule, AFAIK...
[08:28] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: really, use google....
[08:28] <brownie17> aftertaf; it is asking for a username and password, just my normal account ones?
[08:28] <aftertaf> w000t
[08:28] <Madpilot> tga: mplayer is in ubuntu's repos, no need for outside repos...
[08:29] <brownie17> aftertaf: w000t?
[08:29] <nalioth> spafbnerf: first thing, use "pan" newsreader and then you wont be in here asking these questions
[08:29] <aftertaf> :D
[08:29] <aftertaf> brownie17:  root
[08:29] <tga> Madpilot, what about the codecs?
[08:29] <brownie17> aftertaf: i don't actually know my root password, i don't think
[08:29] <tga> Madpilot, like libavcodec
[08:30] <jinx``> http://www.phpfi.com/77256
[08:30] <aftertaf> brownie17:  root disabled? ok...
[08:30] <jinx``> please help with proftpd mod_tls
[08:30] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/  <<----- packages
[08:30] <bob2> jinx``: pick one channel
[08:30] <brownie17> aftertaf: i don't know if i disabled root, but ?!?!? how can i work out the password
[08:30] <vbgunz> brownie root is disabled... you log in with sudo and it uses the same password as you current account
[08:30] <Cashel> brownie17, your root passwords going to be the same as the first user you created by default.. there being no root account until you do sudo passwd root
[08:31] <bob2> brownie17: wiki.ubuntu/RootSudo
[08:31] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  but for webmin??
[08:31] <vbgunz> you dont log in the interface... in the terminal
[08:31] <Madpilot> tga: no idea, totem runs everything I need to watch, so far!
[08:31] <bob2> brownie17: the installer explained this...
[08:31] <Madpilot> tga: do you have the universe/mulitiverse repos enabled?
[08:31] <vbgunz> not sure, sorry just picked up a piece
[08:31] <brownie17> bob2: i wasn't listening :)
[08:31] <aftertaf> hehe
[08:31] <tga> Madpilot, I do, but I just ran into a VCD I can't play
[08:31] <aftertaf> anyone know if you can use webmin without having to define a root password?
[08:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: so the username should be root, and password my password?
[08:31] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: splashy is in that backport?
[08:31] <tga> Madpilot, mplayer claims it's encrypted, even though I have libdvdcss installed
[08:32] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: I'm not omniscient - go and look!
[08:32] <aftertaf> brownie17:  nope... user root / password the pass you give root.
[08:32] <brownie17> aftertaf: now it says i can't do it becasue i failed the password too many times
[08:32] <CCFIEL> thoreauputic: heheheh ok..:)
[08:32] <aftertaf> s'ok...
[08:32] <Madpilot> !tell brownie17 about root
[08:32] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: look under hoary and see if you can find it there
[08:33] <TokenBad> in ubuntu to telnet..its just at terminal : telnet ip?
[08:33] <intelikey> the installer does not "disable root" it just doesn't set a root passwd by default.  a server install does set the root passwd and therefore you are able to login as root if you use the minimal install.....
[08:33] <bob2> TokenBad: why do you want to use telnet?
[08:33] <Cashel> TokenBad, yea
[08:33] <nalioth> TokenBad: telnet?
[08:33] <dreamie> ok guys
[08:33] <TokenBad> a friend wants me to try to telnet into him..so figured would try
[08:33] <TokenBad> why..is it bad to do?
[08:33] <dreamie> when i disabled sound in bios then it wouldnt boot
[08:33] <nalioth> Cashel: it is inherently insecure
[08:33] <bob2> telnet sends everything in clear text
[08:34] <dreamie> i think the problem may be the sound card
[08:34] <bob2> so anyone in between can pick up your password
[08:34] <nalioth> TokenBad: it is easily snooped upon
[08:34] <Cashel> yeah..
[08:34] <bob2> this is why everyone has used ssh for 5 years
[08:34] <dreamie> maybe its looking for the sound card and its not finding it
[08:34] <nalioth> TokenBad: Cashel use ssh
[08:34] <Cashel> I'm not using either...
[08:34] <intelikey> TokenBad if your data is not privet telnet is fine.
[08:34] <bob2> dreamie: dmesg would tell you one way or the other
[08:34] <Cashel> just wondered, hehe...
[08:34] <brownie17> aftertaf; i added a root account
[08:34] <TokenBad> ok...
[08:34] <dreamie> well i posted it
[08:34] <TokenBad> what is port 135
[08:35] <bob2> TokenBad: look in /etc/services
[08:35] <TokenBad> cause thats what he wanted me to telnet to
[08:35] <brownie17> aftertaf: its syaing i put in the wrong password too many times allready and acces is denied, will i have to re-install?
[08:35] <intelikey> TokenBad "man telnet"
[08:35] <Joe_Powerbook> hello... is there a concise guide for setting up a PowerPC machine (specificall an Apple Powerbook) to dual boot OSX and Ubuntu?
[08:35] <TokenBad> he said it was dcon
[08:35] <nalioth> TokenBad: visit grc.com and you'll learn a lot about network stuff
[08:35] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: the installer doesn't do it by default?
[08:35] <bob2> grc.com seems to be a terrible site for learning about networks
[08:35] <nalioth> bob2: he wants to know about partitioning and such
[08:35] <aftertaf> brownie17:  nope... but you are temporarily locked out.
[08:36] <bob2> assuming that's where people keep hearing the phrase "stealthed ports" from
[08:36] <intelikey> brownie17 no it should be a timed "dos"  probably 5 minutes
[08:36] <nalioth> bob2: grc.com will show you how open your windows box is
[08:36] <brownie17> aftertaf: darn it, how long is temporarily!?!?!?
[08:36] <bob2> that gibson idiot needs a kick in the head
[08:36] <Joe_Powerbook> bob2: don't you need free space to start with?
[08:36] <brownie17> intelikey: ok
[08:36] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: please. if you use backports, remember my advice to comment the line out after getting what you need
[08:36] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: right
[08:36] <cafuego> brownie17: You could ctrl-alt-del if you don't want to wait.
[08:36] <nalioth> Joe_Powerbook: have you been to the wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation  ?
[08:36] <Joe_Powerbook> so which do you install first?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> CCFIEL: and rerun apt-get update
[08:36] <cafuego> Joe_Powerbook: the chicken. then the egg.
[08:36] <bob2> Joe_Powerbook: mac os X
[08:36] <brownie17> cafuego: what dos pressing control alt delete do in ubuntu?
[08:37] <brownie17> cafuego, you meant ctrl alt backspace?
[08:37] <cafuego> brownie17: reboots (if you're at the console)
[08:37] <intelikey> you could [alt] +[print screen] +B   but i don't advise it.....
[08:37] <tga> did anyone manage to install libavcodec for mplayer recently?
[08:37] <cafuego> brownie17: ctrl-alt-backspace just respawns GDM, that's useless.
[08:37] <spafbnerf> nalioth, i lookd @ pan, & it doesn't allow reading of folders, it expects to d/l evrything from the newsgroup itself.....
[08:37] <brownie17> i think ill just wait 5 then if it still doesnt work, ill reboot
[08:37] <vbgunz> a question just popped into my head... Is Ubuntu like training wheels to Debian?
[08:38] <cafuego> Hahaha!
[08:38] <intelikey> lol
[08:38] <spafbnerf> also it's not what i'm looking for since i want something to extract all the binaries out of the posts 4 me....
[08:38] <Cashel> vbgunz, maybe just a little :)
[08:38] <nalioth> spafbnerf: if you use pan to d/l them in the first place, .. .. ..
[08:39] <nalioth> spafbnerf: look on the web for yenc decoder
[08:39] <animepunkw> how do i check to see if my soundcard is confifured ?
[08:39] <animepunkw> confirgured .lol
[08:39] <animepunkw> i am way to tired for this lol
[08:39] <intelikey> animepunkw alsamixer
[08:40] <cafuego> 'lol' is not punctuation.
[08:40] <animepunkw> intelikey alsamixer ?
 how do i check to see if my soundcard is confifured ?   <intelikey> animepunkw alsamixer
[08:41] <thoreauputic> -------> more coffee
[08:41] <intelikey> animepunkw use   M   to unmute it.
[08:41] <brownie17> aftertaf: it won't let me in with username:root and password:what i set in terminal. what dp i do?
[08:41] <spafbnerf> but wot abt the one'z encoded base64? ;D
[08:41] <cafuego> thoreauputic: excrement idea
[08:42] <Cashel> anyone have bad things to say about BUM?
[08:42] <spafbnerf> fortunately it seems therz only onev those, so i shall try and run yenc thru the lot.....
[08:43] <thoreauputic> cafuego: heh maybe I should have put thoreauputic << coffee ;)
[08:44] <tga> how can I get totem to play a mpg?
[08:44] <animepunkw> intelikey ok thanks i'll try alsamixer
[08:44] <brownie17> aftertaf: it won't let me in with username:root and password:what i set in terminal. what dp i do?
[08:44] <spafbnerf> yay yenc works good :)
[08:44] <spafbnerf> kbye
[08:44] <tga> and even better, what tool can I use to see what kind of movie this is and what I need to play it
[08:44] <Cashel> !tell tga about restrictedformats
[08:45] <tga> thanks Cashel
[08:45] <SuperQ> heh
[08:45] <Cashel> tga, i'd install the xine and xine-ui package
[08:45] <SuperQ> bots++
[08:45] <Cashel> mplayer is loopy w/ sound...
[08:45] <de-almasy> !tell de-almasy about ubuntu
[08:45] <cafuego> thoreauputic: where's mine? short black please
[08:46] <de-almasy> !awards
[08:46] <ubotu> I guess awards is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[08:46] <aftertaf> brownie17:  have you tested your root access in terminal?
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: no
[08:46] <omp342> ubuntu is installed :)
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: ??
[08:46] <aftertaf> omp342:  yeah!!!
[08:46] <nalioth> thoreauputic better be bringing back a big drink order
[08:46] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes please :)
[08:47] <aftertaf> anyone got a quick fix on stopping a service from starting on boot? rm /etc/init.d/[service]  ??
[08:47] <Myrtti> hmmm
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nalioth: what's yours today, Sir? ;)
[08:47] <brownie17> aftertaf: it works in terminal
[08:47] <intelikey> you guys are just having so much fun.    you have almost temped me to install ubuntu.....
[08:47] <aftertaf> ok brownie17
[08:47] <aftertaf> cool.
[08:47] <Myrtti> the fabric store should be open by now, so I'll go to finish my new woollen purse
[08:47] <aftertaf> intelikey:  do it :D
[08:47] <nalioth> thoreauputic: lotta latte
[08:47] <Myrtti> needs silk lining...
[08:47] <tga> Cashel, thing is I ran into a VCD I can't play, so now I'm looking for what I could be missing
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I fear the milk supplier has failed in his duty, Sir
[08:47] <Myrtti> intelikey: do it. Even chicks dig it.
[08:47] <intelikey> but aftertaf everything on this system works.....
[08:47] <aftertaf> brownie17:  so, close and restart browser and try again once...
[08:48] <Myrtti> including me
[08:48] <Myrtti> though one might think that I'm not chick per se
[08:48] <aftertaf> intelikey:  define "this"... :D
[08:48] <nalioth> thoreauputic: no neighbors cows or goats around?
[08:48] <omp342> what's the command to make the computer stop making noises when it can't do an action (like when i press backspace in terminal and there is nothign to erase)? :)
[08:48] <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:48] <aftertaf> brownie17:  pm?
[08:48] <intelikey> lol  no no.   i don't troll aftertaf
[08:48] <thoreauputic> nalioth: sure, the neighbours are all goats ;-)
[08:48] <delmonico> hi :) what package is responsible for automatic mounting of mass storage devides?
[08:49] <delmonico> devices*
[08:49] <brownie17> aftertaf: pm?
[08:49] <cafuego> Myrtti: much like sometimes comes the verb before the subject? ;-)
[08:49] <bob2> delmonico: lots of them
[08:49] <aftertaf> omp342:  sudo sh smash_to_bits_with_hammer.sh ?
[08:49] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont want any milk from the goats with one teat, please
[08:49] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: quote of the day :)
[08:49] <bob2> delmonico: the kernel tells hotplug who tells udev who tells hal who tells gnome-volume-manager who mounts it
[08:49] <omp342> aftertaf: :/
[08:49] <cafuego> !qots is <reply> <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:49] <ubotu> cafuego: okay
[08:49] <delmonico>   bob2: thanks. whats the kde equivalent to gnome-volume-manager?
[08:49] <cafuego> !qotd is <reply> <Myrtti> nerdiness comes sometimes before feminity
[08:49] <ubotu> okay, cafuego
[08:49] <thoreauputic> nalioth: your order is being filled - please take a ticket and wait in the antechamber ;-)
[08:49] <brownie17> aftertaf, no luck    ( "root" "<predefined - double checked>")
[08:50] <odat> hello everyone
[08:50] <tga> what tool can I use to identify the codecs used in a mpeg file?
[08:50] <jamey3> hiya
[08:50] <bob2> delmonico: #kubuntu
[08:50] <odat> anyone have any luck with totem and gstreamer?
[08:50] <bob2> tga: codecs? mpeg is a (set of) codec(S)
[08:50] <Cashel> odat, totem-xine and gstreamer, yes
[08:51] <jamey3> does anyone know how I can setup uPNP on Ubuntu?
[08:51] <bob2> to do what?
[08:51] <vbgunz> I like Ubuntu too Vs SUSE and Knoppix... I think it is Gnome that I like and the idea that it is very to the point... (not over flooded with junk and more of the same)...
[08:51] <Cashel> dvd / divx here...
[08:51] <jamey3> so that I can setup port forwarding automatically
[08:51] <delmonico> bob2: okay thank you
[08:52] <bob2> jamey3: you need to be more specific
[08:52] <vbgunz> you know the unofficial backports is just one of the things I am not comfortable with yet
[08:52] <bob2> do you mean "I have an ubuntu machine running as a firewall, and I'd like it to handle incoming upnp requests"?
[08:52] <vbgunz> brb... setting a dual XP pro box.. brb
[08:52] <tga> bob2, I ran into some VCDs that look all garbled when I try to play them.. how can I find out what I'm missing?
[08:52] <jamey3> well, when an application requires a port to be opened it automatically communicates with the router and opens the required port. That's what uPNP does.
[08:53] <bob2> yes, indeed
[08:53] <bob2> and various applicatios in ubuntu can do that
[08:53] <bob2> so what do you mean by "setup"?
[08:53] <jamey3> really?
[08:53] <jamey3> well, make it happen
[08:53] <jamey3> none of them seem to be doing it, for a start
[08:53] <intelikey> would someone do a "apt-cache search XFree86-3.6" for me and see if there is any chance of me running a gui in ub  ?
[08:53] <bob2> bittornado is the only one I know of
[08:53] <bob2> what applications do you think should be doing it?
[08:53] <Cashel> tga" you might wanna take a loog at this page... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11998.html
[08:53] <thoreauputic> omp342: xset b off
[08:53] <bob2> intelikey: that's not in ubuntu
[08:54] <jamey3> well I want it for everything, basically
[08:54] <Myrtti> cafuego: 1) native language English is not for me 2) wise man he is, Yoda
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: for example?
[08:54] <jamey3> and also an interface or CLI tool to do it
[08:54] <jamey3> Apache!
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: e.g., firefox has no need for it
[08:54] <thoreauputic> omp342: or in tty, setterm -blength 0
[08:54] <bob2> jamey3: apache has no need for it
[08:54] <Myrtti> cafuego: ;-)
[08:54] <jamey3> yes of course
[08:54] <bob2> if you want port 80 forwarded in, configure it on your router
[08:54] <bob2> that's not apache's problem
[08:54] <intelikey> bob2 no xfree in ub ?   or no xfree 3.6 ?
[08:54] <jamey3> well what happens if you're on an internal network and need to forward traffic from the external IP?
[08:54] <jamey3> yeah exactly
[08:54] <bob2> intelikey: no xfree86 3
[08:54] <animepunkw> whats apt-get -f install , do ?
[08:54] <cafuego> Myrtti: Yoda sometimes wise he is, but also english he is not ;-)
[08:54] <intelikey> ty
[08:54] <bob2> animepunkw: not much; it tries to fix broken dependencies
[08:54] <jamey3> bob2, that's my point
[08:55] <jamey3> I don't want to go into the router
[08:55] <animepunkw> ah thanks bob2
[08:55] <bob2> jamey3: no, apache does not do that, and I hope it never does
[08:55] <Myrtti> cafuego: me neither. Though I've studied English since the age of nine.
[08:55] <nalioth> animepunkw: fixes problematic pkgs
[08:55] <jamey3> obviously, that'd be a slight security hole
[08:55] <thoreauputic> animepunkw: tries to sort out the mess you made of the apt system ;)
[08:55] <bob2> you're welcome to file an "enhancement" sevrity bug
[08:55] <jamey3> I'm talking about a package ffs
[08:55] <bob2> haha "slight"
[08:55] <jamey3> lol
[08:55] <jamey3> that mimicks uPNP
[08:55] <jamey3> and has a GUI or CLI app that can open ports via uPNP
[08:55] <jamey3> is that too much to ask?!
[08:56] <cafuego> Cashel: ouch
[08:56] <animepunkw> haha well i'm sure i'm making a mess of things going
[08:56] <cafuego> ooh, oven goes bing, cake is done.
[08:56] <bob2> jamey3: there doesn't appear to be one in ubuntu
[08:56] <odat> anyone able to help with totem and gstreamer?
[08:56] <bob2> jamey3: you're welcome to package one if it exists and upload it
[08:56] <jamey3> okay great if I find something can you help me
[08:57] <jamey3> I'm not exactly an expert...
[08:57] <animepunkw> ok that last sence didn't make any sense . i'm goign to sleep . night all
[08:57] <intelikey> Cashel "ps ax" and "kill -9 <pid>" for what is frozen.
[08:57] <bob2> upnp is just asking for trouble, tho
[08:57] <intelikey> or reboot.
[08:57] <jamey3> bob2, not really in my experience
[08:57] <jamey3> only if you're on a network with uneducated people
[08:57] <bob2> jamey3: letting compromised windows machines forward ports to themselves sounds bad
[08:58] <jamey3> lmao
[08:58] <jamey3> yeah, that's probably how some people see it
[08:58] <jamey3> I want IPv6
[08:58] <bob2> in the rare cases I want ports forwarded, I just modify my shorewall rules
[08:58] <setite> omfg ndiswrapper doesnt support scanning!!!
[08:58] <bob2> shock
[08:58] <bob2> horror
[08:59] <setite> well yea.. all that for near nothing
[08:59] <odat> ?
[08:59] <bob2> I would have thought throwing windows drivers into the linux kernel would work flawlessly
[08:59] <cafuego> jamey3: install freenet6, enjoy ipv6.
[08:59] <thoreauputic> hah
[08:59] <setite> yea i would have thought they would have worked that out by now
[08:59] <jamey3> cafuego, neither my ISP, router or some of the NICs support IPv6
[08:59] <cafuego> setite: the NDIS in ndiswrapper pertains to NETWORK drivers.
[08:59] <cafuego> jamey3: That is not relevant.
[09:00] <bob2> how can a NIC not support ipv6?
[09:00] <cafuego> jamey3: You can start an ipv6 tunnel on your Linux box.
[09:00] <bob2> cafuego: who do you get ipv6 connectivity through, nowadays?
[09:00] <cafuego> bob2: I don't have it enabled anymore, makes firefox too slow ;-)
[09:00] <bob2> heh
[09:00] <jamey3> bob2, don't ask this NIC is the biggest POS in the world
[09:00] <jamey3> okay, what about this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-igd
[09:00] <cafuego> bob2: The last tunnel i had was via westnet or soemthing... mob in WA anyways.
[09:01] <jamey3> cafuego, fun but does that actually offer anything apart from the fact I can say that I now have an IPv6 tunnel?
[09:01] <cafuego> jamey3: You can access any ipv6 sites via that tunnel.
[09:01] <jamey3> cool
[09:02] <jamey3> that's *loads* :-)
[09:02] <setite> well bob2 and durt...thanks for your help.. but sadly i must go back to windoze
[09:02] <cafuego> jamey3: and you'll have a /64 or /48 subnet to play with.
[09:03] <bob2> it's too late to exchange the card?
[09:03] <p00f> i dont understand why, it is just the way I feel when you rape me with that big red fire extigisher....
[09:03] <setite> its a built-in
[09:03] <p00f> Oppps, soory wrong window :(
[09:03] <bob2> or the laptop?
[09:03] <cafuego> thoreauputic: put that poor cat down!
[09:03] <setite> too late to exchange laptop.. not that i want to
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: hahah
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cafuego: s/violin/flute
[09:03] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:03] <cafuego> thoreauputic: how was band camp?
[09:04] <jamey3> cafuego, I understand what that means (sort of) but not quite sure what I could do with them...
[09:04] <cafuego> jamey3: "play"
[09:04] <thoreauputic> cafuego: it was... camp
[09:05] <jamey3> cafuego, brill :-P
[09:06] <ar_media> is there anyone here?
[09:06] <omp342> me
[09:07] <intelikey>  /user
[09:07] <ar_media> kool, would you happen to know if there is a way to check disk usage from the command line?
[09:07] <drrakn> is there anything helpful that I can do if I get a kernel panic during install?
[09:07] <intelikey>  du
[09:07] <intelikey> man du
[09:07] <Madpilot> ar_media: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[09:07] <odat> anyone able to help with totem?
[09:07] <omp342> how can i find out my kernel version? :P
[09:07] <ar_media> Danke intelikey  and Madpilot
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ar_media: df -h is another
[09:08] <intelikey> uname -a
[09:08] <intelikey> uname -v
[09:08] <ar_media> lol, all of those?
[09:08] <deFrysk> uname -r
[09:08] <drrakn> (during phase 2 of breezy colony 4 install)
[09:08] <deFrysk> ar_media, the last
[09:08] <omp342> i use df -h
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ar_media: they do different things
[09:08] <intelikey> yeah s/-v/-r/   sorry
[09:08] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to use qtparted
[09:08] <thoreauputic> omp342: did you see my answer for silencing beeps?
[09:08] <Madpilot> intelikey: AFAIK "uname -a" is "uname with all of the above"
[09:09] <intelikey> df does not really help much with disk usage   du
[09:09] <setite> is there a chance xandros or linspire work properly?
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: i already figured it out
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: thanks anyways
[09:09] <thoreauputic> omp342: OK
[09:09] <omp342> thoreauputic: i just disabled the system bell from sound preferences
[09:09] <ar_media> ok du basically listed my entire drive...
[09:10] <thoreauputic> omp342: yeah, that works too
[09:10] <intelikey> Madpilot yes -a = --all  for uname
[09:10] <drrakn> ar_media: if you just care about how much free space you have, "df" should do the trick
[09:10] <aftertaf> quick qu.... what is the diff between the /etc/rc1-6.d & the rcS.d dir ??
[09:10] <Madpilot> ar_media: Ctrl+C interupts all that scrolling madness
[09:10] <thoreauputic> ar_media: df -h gives you "disk free" info in "human readable" form
[09:10] <ar_media> lol, i know how to break. :-D
[09:11] <intelikey> most humans can read "df" output  :)
[09:11] <ar_media> thanks tho
[09:11] <ar_media> ok, let's not have a symantics debate
[09:11] <omp342> does the default hoary kernel = 2.6.10?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> intelikey: define "humans" (or do you mean geeks == humans) *grin*
[09:12] <intelikey> well i never.
[09:12] <Madpilot> hmm... "5036284"  vs "4.9G" - I know which I'd rather read... ;)
[09:12] <aftertaf> guys,  what is the diff between the /etc/rc1-6.d & the rcS.d dir ?? rcS.d is where the stop scripts are called from?
[09:12] <bimberi> omp342: yes
[09:12] <ar_media> i'm liking Ubuntu is pretty kool i like it.  but i really like Fedora too...  I miss yum, i don't think apt-get is as good.
[09:12] <omp342> bimberi: thanks :)
[09:12] <tga> meh, evolution is unusable
[09:12] <bimberi> omp342: yw :)
[09:12] <tga> evo-data-server jumps to 100% cpu and hangs
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ar_media: if you think yum is better than apt, you have much to learn, Grasshopper
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: in what way?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ar_media: :)
[09:13] <ar_media> ok, well yum is pretty intuitive
[09:13] <deFrysk> yum vs apt , cannot be the speed of yum ?
[09:13] <ar_media> if you wanna seach you search
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: apt-cache search blah
[09:13] <bob2> ar_media: how is that unintuitive?
[09:14] <drrakn> thoreauputic: the diff-downloading of new package lists is pretty sweet in yum
[09:14] <intelikey> thoreauputic opinions are not wrong just because they conflict with yours
[09:14] <ar_media> ahA!
[09:14] <ar_media> ok, well how about this
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: bear in mind apt-get and apt-cache are not meant for end users
[09:14] <deFrysk> yum is the slowest tool ever made
[09:14] <ar_media> all the damn commands are yum command
[09:14] <thoreauputic> intelikey: umm... did you have a humour transplant recently?
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: aptitude/synaptic are the higher level tools you should use
[09:14] <ar_media> not apt-get and apt-cache and blah and whatever
[09:14] <ar_media> i'm not into gui, i'd rather learn the command line
[09:14] <bob2> ar_media: use aptitude then.  aptitute search blah, aptitude install blah.
[09:14] <ar_media> i'm not into crutches
[09:14] <thoreauputic> intelikey: chill
[09:15] <bob2> ar_media: er, aptitude is a command line tool
[09:15] <intelikey> no just a labotamy  does that count.
[09:15] <thoreauputic> intelikey: :)
[09:15] <intelikey> :)
[09:15] <ar_media> I was talking about synaptic, i didn't see aptitude
[09:15] <deFrysk> ar_media, need to do some catching up
[09:15] <bob2> ar_media: yes, synaptic is a gui tool
[09:16] <bob2> ar_media: aptitude is what you should be using on the command line
[09:16] <odat> anyone have a working totem player?
[09:16] <bob2> odat: lots of people do
[09:16] <ar_media> cut me some slack, i've been on linux for line 9 days
[09:16] <bob2> odat: if yours doesn't, it's probably easier to give up and use mplayer or xine
[09:16] <ar_media> like*
[09:16] <bob2> ar_media: I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just clarifying
[09:16] <intelikey> imo aptitude was some crack heads attempt to code....   and that is no dispersion on apt...
[09:16] <odat> geez bob2
[09:17] <bob2> intelikey: how so?
[09:17] <bob2> odat: eh?  it's what I did...
[09:17] <CaiN_SA> breazy is da bomb
[09:17] <bob2> it's a lot less screwing around, and lets you play whatever you want right now, not after some indeterminate amount of fiddling
[09:17] <ar_media> i've tried xmms... that doesn't seem to work all the time for me...  I like VLC
[09:18] <bob2> xmms isn't the same sort of program as totem
[09:18] <Cashel> VLC?
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> vlc for what ?
[09:18] <ar_media> but my buddy says VLC keeps crashing.
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> mp3 ?
[09:18] <ar_media> for everything.
[09:18] <odat> hmmm do i need to totally disable all of the gstreamer stuff then
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> lol
[09:18] <bob2> odat: no
[09:18] <odat> or just use totem for xine?
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> no
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> nsies
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> xmms will work
[09:18] <CaiN_SA> just set it to use esound output pluging
[09:19] <bob2> xmms is a music player, totem is a video player
[09:19] <Cashel> odat, I like xine-ui myself .. its small enough that since you'll be downloading the xine libs anyways may as well check it out..
[09:19] <odat> apparently there is some totem plugin that firefox is trying to use instead of just letting me pick totem as the player it is trying to open it in the page
[09:19] <odat> anyone know what plugin that is?
[09:19] <setite> ok bye guys... you may see me int he future if i can find a cheap usb wifi adaptor that doesnt cost a piece of my sould to install
[09:19] <bob2> setite: netgear ma-111
[09:20] <setite> ill look into it... thanks
[09:20] <ar_media> i'd like to use rhythmbox cause it's got the whole itunes thing going with the music database... but it says it can't run MP3
[09:20] <ar_media> or anything for that matter.
[09:20] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:21] <Myrtti> go bob2
[09:21] <bob2> this is also linekd from the FAQ (which is in the /topic)
[09:21] <ar_media> eh, i have to read a bunch of garbage.. i hate that. LOL
[09:21] <ar_media> it's so slow
[09:21] <Myrtti> -.-
[09:21] <dazvid> whats IRC then?
[09:21] <Hoxzer> so nobody can help me with qparted?
[09:21] <dazvid> if its not reading
[09:21] <dazvid> :P
[09:21] <ar_media> it's a little different
[09:21] <spiral> hi
[09:21] <Hoxzer> have to do everything alone :E
[09:21] <bob2> Hoxzer: I don't see where you asked a specific question about qparted.
[09:22] <bob2> asking for someone to walk you through using it seems a bit silly
[09:22] <bob2> since presumably you can sort most of it out yourself
[09:22] <_mindspin> can anybody tell me how to map a samba share at bootup? neither etc/fstab nor /samba/smbfstab, nor adding a script to init.somewhere helped
[09:22] <ar_media> when i ask a question no one answers with "While Ubuntu is very user friendly, we should go over the command line tools that linux has to offer....  blah blah blah"
[09:22] <odat> is it possible to have too many gstreamer plugins installed?
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> i dont think so
[09:22] <aftertaf> anyone give me a quick explanation of rcS.d???
[09:22] <dreamie> how can you check the resources the puter is using
[09:22] <CaiN_SA> exept if maby you have to many duplicates
[09:23] <aftertaf> is it the shutdown script symmlinks?
[09:23] <drrakn> aftertaf: IIRC, it runs for *all* run levels
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, nope
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> wait ill explain
[09:23] <aftertaf> oki drrakn
[09:23] <aftertaf> thx CaiN_SA
[09:23] <Hoxzer> bob2: I'm just goinging to use ubuntu live CD to part my HDA1 so I can keep both linux and windows in it
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> rcS.d is the scipts that is always ran at startup
[09:23] <bob2> Hoxzer: why? the installer lets you do that
[09:23] <CaiN_SA> even if you use runlevel 3 or 5 or 2 or whatever
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> thinks like filesystem scan
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> mounts
[09:24] <Myrtti> _mindspin: sudo nano /etc/fstab: //computer/share /media/samba smbfs user,ro,exec,userid=user,passwd=passwd 0 0
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> etc etc
[09:24] <bob2> you know that run levels 2, 3 and 5 are identical, right?
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> are done in there
[09:24] <Hoxzer> bob2: does it let me save my current install of   windows?
[09:24] <Myrtti> _mindspin: ?
[09:24] <Hoxzer> I dont want to destroy it
[09:24] <bob2> Hoxzer: yes...
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> understand aftertaf  ?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ar_media: well, IRC is like that sometimes,, ask a question and get a command without an explanatory discourse ;)
[09:24] <Hoxzer> bob2: are you sure?
[09:24] <_mindspin> Myrtti: thats exactly the entry
[09:24] <aftertaf> yep!
[09:24] <Cashel> aftertaf, the S is the runlevel .. chosen in /etc/inittab .. the files inside are just links to /etc/init.d ... its the linux version of autoexec.bat :P
[09:24] <odat> cain_sa: like if i have too many plugins that handle the same type of file?
[09:24] <aftertaf> thx CaiN_SA :)
[09:24] <bob2> ar_media: I'm not sure I understand your rant
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> odat, ya maby that can make problems
[09:24] <_mindspin> I had, beside of my settings inserted
[09:24] <ar_media> thoreauputic,  that's better, i can figure it out from there.
[09:24] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, mp :)
[09:24] <dazvid> He is ranting about having to read online guides bob2
[09:25] <Myrtti> _mindspin: does the samba share have username and password set or does it allow guest login?
[09:25] <Hoxzer> bob2: how do I change between ubuntu and windows XP then?
[09:25] <erkanisik> herkese selam
[09:25] <_mindspin> username and pass
[09:25] <bob2> Hoxzer: you reboot and select one or the other at the grub screen
[09:25] <Hoxzer> ok...
[09:25] <erkanisik> trke bilen varm
[09:25] <_mindspin> it works "by hand" after bootup
[09:25] <Myrtti> _mindspin: you do have smbfs installed, don't you
[09:25] <ar_media> bob2, it's not important
[09:25] <_mindspin> I have
[09:25] <Myrtti> strange
[09:25] <bob2> erkanisik: clearly no one else is speaking Turkish
[09:25] <bob2> erkanisik: /j #ubuntu-tr
[09:25] <Hoxzer> so I just put my ubuntu install CD in and install it and it will ask do I want to save my windows XP install?
[09:26] <erkanisik> :) ok
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: nope
[09:26] <Hoxzer> :D
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: it will let you resize it
[09:26] <Hoxzer> ok....
[09:26] <ar_media> ok, i have one more question that then i'll leave and you can laugh at my noob-ness, how the hell do i get gDesklets to load when i log in?
[09:26] <_mindspin> It would be good enough if the script is executed at login
[09:26] <Hoxzer> if I install 64bit ubuntu can I still run 32 bit programs in it?
[09:26] <Myrtti> ar_media: System - preferences - sessions
[09:26] <_mindspin> but that would be just a workaround
[09:26] <Myrtti> ar_media: startup programs
[09:26] <ar_media> ahhhh, thank you Myrtti
[09:26] <Cashel> Hoxzer, it automaticaly saves it so long as you dont choose to format it..
[09:26] <bob2> Hoxzer: not in general
[09:26] <nalioth> the option to resize is missing in the ppc install disks.. ..
[09:27] <bob2> Hoxzer: do you care about any binary-only programs?
[09:27] <ar_media> ok, i'm out of here.  later all.
[09:27] <Hoxzer> bob2: no realy
[09:27] <Hoxzer> really
[09:27] <cafuego> Are any of you aware of a library or command line tool that can edit/modify MS Office files?
[09:28] <brownie17> cafuego: i dont think that's possible is it?
[09:28] <Hoxzer> Bob2: so 32 bit programs will not work in 64 bit ubuntu?;/
[09:28] <cafuego> brownie17: Well, OOo can open and edit them...
[09:28] <bob2> Hoxzer: depends what you mean
[09:28] <Cashel> hmmm anyone know a way for me to reserve X amount of bandwith for a particular app?? I lag like all hell when synaptics downloading...
[09:28] <cafuego> brownie17: I want to replace a template string with dynamic data (ideally in PHP)
[09:28] <bob2> Hoxzer: you can certainly run them, jut not simply
[09:29] <brownie17> cafuego: ok, sorry it wasa just a guess
[09:29] <bob2> Cashel: trickle
[09:29] <bob2> Hoxzer: often it doesn't matter, tho
[09:29] <dreamie> is there a way to check the systems resources
[09:29] <Cashel> thanks bob
[09:29] <bob2> dreamie: which resources?
[09:29] <brownie17> !runlevels
[09:29] <ubotu> brownie17: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:29] <odat> k this is the error i'm getting
[09:29] <thoreauputic> dreamie: which resources? What about typing "top" in terminal ?
[09:29] <Hoxzer> Bob2: ok, I try 64 bit then
[09:29] <Cashel> dreamie, top
[09:30] <odat> there were not codecs found to support this media type you may need to install the appropriate plugins
[09:30] <odat> i have the plugins installed
[09:30] <thoreauputic> brownie17: in debian based distros, runlevels 1 and 2 are pretty much it (except 0 and 6)
[09:31] <thoreauputic> brownie17: unless you want to play games with custom runlevels of course
[09:31] <dreamie> my system is very slow
[09:31] <dreamie> i wondered if the resources are low
[09:31] <brownie17> ok
[09:32] <fluvvell> bob2: what do you know about the hardware abstraction layer (HAL)
[09:32] <fluvvell> ?
[09:32] <bob2> what do you want to know?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> dreamie: try " top "
[09:32] <fluvvell> bob2: well, I backed up a system, reformatted then restored from a tar file, and I get HAL failed to initialise
[09:32] <drrakn> dreamie: I'm fond of the gnome system monitor applet
[09:33] <fluvvell> bob2: most stuff seems to work,
[09:33] <omp342> :(
[09:33] <nalioth> dreamie: applications > system tools > system monitor
[09:34] <omp342> i rebooted my computer and now xchat doesn't work :[
[09:34] <topyli> looks like we pretty much have gnome 2.12 on breezy now :)
[09:34] <fluvvell> bob2: I get a message something about .udev---  (something) already exists
[09:34] <fluvvell> while booting
[09:34] <bob2> fluvvell: backing up /dev is a bad idea
[09:34] <bob2> as is /proc and /sys
[09:34] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[09:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[09:34] <fluvvell> bob2:why did I know you were going to say that
[09:35] <omp342> the xchat window pops up and when i try to connect it just closes
[09:35] <bob2> restore /dev to an empty dir
[09:35] <omp342> i tried opening from terminal and it doesn't show any errors
[09:35] <omp342> hmm the problem is only with freenode
[09:35] <thoreauputic> omp342: possibly try renaming ~/.xchat2 and restarting
[09:35] <fluvvell> bob2: then reboot or something?
[09:35] <omp342> i think i know the answer
[09:35] <omp342> hold up
[09:36] <Hoxzer> doooooooonnttt you cryyyy tonight I still love youuuu baby
[09:36] <Madpilot> anyone here ever used CVS?
[09:36] <bob2> fluvvell: yes
[09:36] <fluvvell> bob2: just to be clear, you mean rm -rf /dev/*
[09:36] <bob2> Madpilot: any moderate user has
[09:36] <pacer> What about CVS ?
[09:36] <bob2> fluvvell: or move it away
[09:37] <fluvvell> cool, I'll try that
[09:37] <Madpilot> bob2: was trying to get Screem's built-in CVS stuff set up, for website projects... got a good CVS tutorial you can recommend?
[09:38] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  little last question if you may....
[09:38] <bob2> Madpilot: cvshome.org, I guess
[09:38] <bob2> cvs is kinda obsolete, tho
[09:38] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  to stop a service from starting, you rm it from rcS.d right?
[09:39] <syn-ack> Theres something better than cvs out there now?
[09:39] <Madpilot> bob2: no SVN support in Screem yet though...
[09:39] <omp342> ok i'm in xchat now :)
[09:39] <drrakn> aftertaf: use update-rc.d
[09:39] <intelikey> hmmm nope can't make this thing work with a XFree86-4.#  only 3.#    so no chance of getting a gui up in ubuntu for me.....
[09:39] <dazvid> Anyone here using an Audigy 2 card?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> omp342: so what was the problem?
[09:39] <_brian> can anyone help me set up my wifi in kubuntu?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> omp342: (curious)
[09:39] <bob2> _brian: #kubuntu
[09:40] <aftertaf> drrakn:  i type update-rc.d and the service name?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> bob2: he was just redirected here :)
[09:40] <Myrtti> intelikey: why are you using XFree?
[09:40] <aftertaf> + remove?
[09:40] <nalioth> bob2: there's nobody in #kubuntu
[09:40] <drrakn> aftertaf: update-rc.d -f namegoesherewithoutS99 remove
[09:40] <_brian> thanks nalioth
[09:40] <intelikey> Myrtti cause my distro didn't have xorg :)
[09:41] <Myrtti> bwah
[09:41] <aftertaf> -f :)
[09:41] <aftertaf> ok thx
[09:41] <_brian> there's absolutely no one in #kubuntu
[09:41] <bob2> bah kubuntu
[09:41] <ompaul> bob2, its just not gnome is it :)
[09:41] <bob2> people should take "ability to get support" into acount when picking a distribution
[09:41] <intelikey> yeah or use a generic #linuxhelp
[09:43] <Madpilot> need sleep... good night, all
[09:43] <omp342> thoreauputic: i don't know, i just deleted ~/.xchat2 like you said and it worked
[09:43] <aftertaf> _brian:  wifi isn't a purely kde problem tho
[09:44] <thoreauputic> omp342: ah, OK :)
[09:44] <topyli> _brian: looks like #kubuntu has 82 people in
[09:44] <omp342> thoreauputic: i think it has something to do with the file full of commands to execute when i connect to freenode
[09:44] <intelikey> hmm wifi purely isn't a kde problem.
[09:44] <thoreauputic> omp342: very likely
[09:45] <Myrtti> irssi! ;-)
[09:45] <_brian> i haven't tried very hard either, this is my very first ever exposure to linux, i'm excited
[09:45] <ompaul> !wifi
[09:45] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:45] <thoreauputic> !start an IRC client war
[09:45] <ubotu> xchat is better than b-x !
[09:45] <djib> hello
[09:45] <Myrtti> hm
[09:45] <omp342> thoreauputic: the thing is, that it worked before i restarted my computer
[09:45] <ompaul> _brian, have a look at that URL ummv (your mileage may vary)
[09:45] <djib> I have a problem with the network
[09:45] <aftertaf> lool thoreauputic
[09:46] <Myrtti> I should really get dressed up, put makeup on and head for the fabric shop
[09:46] <PeaceMakr> hi everyone, good morning
[09:46] <djib> I installed my pc yesterday and did only a few software installation
[09:46] <intelikey> bx good      xchat filling      bx good ....
[09:46] <djib> gm PeaceMakr
[09:46] <aftertaf> hi PeaceMakr :)
[09:46] <djib> Now the network won't start
[09:46] <thoreauputic> omp342: you can try putting things back one at a time and see which thing caused the trouble (assuming you backed up .xchat2)
[09:47] <_brian> _ompaul i'll give it a look
[09:47] <djib> etc/init.d/networking restart fails
[09:47] <djib> and I get a message with /etc/init.d/networking: line 20: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter: Permission non accorde
[09:47] <PeaceMakr> i have an odd query for you all, has any of you managed to get iBurst running with uuntu 5.04?
[09:47] <djib> any one can help me ?
[09:47] <omp342> thoreauputic: i backed it up, then i deleted it (i still have the file since it wasn't in that folder)
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, how did you do the software installation?
[09:48] <omp342> how can i change my hsync and vsync settings?
[09:48] <djib> apt-get
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, where did you get the repos from?
[09:48] <djib> i got them from the ubuntu wiki
[09:48] <ompaul> djib, did you include backports?
[09:49] <djib> yes, but not extras
[09:49] <Cashel> omp342, best way is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand .. otherwise you can go through xorgconfig
[09:49] <ompaul> djib, can you guess why I asked that question :)
[09:49] <omp342> i'll just do it manually :)
[09:49] <ekimus> hi, anyone can point me to a dvd authoring programm. i sometimes get clips from a friend and want to create dvds with a menu and all the fancy stuff playable in a dvd player
[09:49] <intelikey> omp342 edit /etc/X11/x-org.config      or something like that.
[09:49] <nalioth> bob2 what is "confirm bug" on the bugzilla page?
[09:49] <omp342> thanks Cashel
[09:49] <nalioth> ekimus: dvdauthor
[09:49] <djib> ompaul: do you think it may be linked ?
[09:49] <intelikey>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf <--
[09:49] <ekimus> that was too easy
[09:49] <ompaul> djib, almost sure of it
[09:49] <djib> what can I do then ?
[09:50] <Cashel> didnt I say that?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Cashel: the "canonical" method is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:50] <aapelii> Im having a problem changing the keymap in gnome. The system says the layout is finnish, but it really is the us map. Im using breezy.
[09:50] <Cashel> ohhh
[09:50] <nalioth> !info dvdauthor
[09:50] <Cashel> nifty
[09:50] <ubotu> dvdauthor: (create DVD-Video file system), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.6.10-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 444 kB
[09:50] <intelikey> yeah maybe you type faster than i do Cashel
[09:50] <Cashel> wish I'd have known that when I was going through hell w/ fglrx, hehe...
[09:50] <Cashel> intelikey, my bad
[09:50] <djib> ompaul: what can I do ?
[09:51] <P3L|C4N0> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:51] <ompaul> djib, try this first in a terminal  'sudo iptables -L' lets see if the list says DROP in its output
[09:51] <djib> ok, i'll be back
[09:51] <nalioth> thoreauputic: where did bob2 go?
[09:51] <djib> (I need to reboot under Ubuntu
[09:51] <thoreauputic> nalioth: no idea
[09:51] <bob2> it's a tag on a bug
[09:51] <bob2> I'm unbreakign lyx
[09:52] <drrakn> ekimus: that is a pretty nifty program. I'd also recommend DVDStyler with it
[09:52] <nalioth> bob2: you keep on then
[09:52] <topyli> bob2: cool! unbroken lyx is needed :)
[09:52] <drrakn> which allows drag-and-drop menu creation and such
[09:52] <drrakn> has some rough edges, but I hacked up a few DVDs with it that looked ok
[09:53] <brownie17> aftertaf: pm me!
[09:53] <PeaceMakr> i have an odd query for you all, has any of you managed to get iBurst running with uuntu 5.04?
[09:54] <Cashel> is there a way to change the default icon size in gnome? couldnt find it in the configuration editor.... ?
[09:54] <drrakn> PeaceMakr: what is iburst? :)
[09:54] <PeaceMakr> drrakn iburst is wireless internet
[09:54] <drrakn> ahhh
[09:55] <bob2> it's a wireless network in (at least) .au
[09:55] <PeaceMakr> it is in use in australia and now here in south africa
[09:55] <bob2> it works fine if you get the ethernet modem
[09:55] <odat> well i found if i just disable the totem mozilla plugin it works fine
[09:55] <PeaceMakr> bob2 have you got it running now?
[09:55] <nalioth> PeaceMakr: let bob2 work
[09:55] <bob2> nope
[09:56] <GioSico> Could anyone give me some advice on setting two mirrored (non system) drives on ubuntu ... I am going to put my photogallery cms and mysql database on them and I want them to always be either synced or mirrored ... much thanks.
[09:56] <hawk^> hello
[09:57] <brownie17> nalioth: i need help, real bad
[09:57] <PeaceMakr> nalioth sorry didnt mean to stop anyone from working, im just so anxious to get ubuntu online
[09:57] <brownie17> nalioth: pm? it might take a while to explain
[09:57] <djib> hello
[09:57] <hawk^> ive just installed ubuntu on my ibook but the mosue pad dosent work :S whats the problem ?
[09:57] <bob2> it's really way less annoying to just ask questions in the channel
[09:58] <bob2> way way less annoying
[09:58] <thoreauputic> GioSico: apt-cache search unison ? Or perhaps rsync from the commandline?
[09:58] <djib> I did the iptables -L thing
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: that is strange
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: what kind of ibook?
[09:58] <bob2> PeaceMakr: you really found nothing on google about this?
[09:58] <hawk^> nalioth : ibook g4 the new one
[09:58] <djib> What am I supposed to see in it ?
[09:58] <nalioth> hawk^: that's very strange
[09:58] <hawk^> i know
[09:59] <drrakn> thoreauputic, GioSico: wouldn't software raid mirroring be a less risky solution? (always in sync)
[09:59] <PeaceMakr> bob2 i found that there are ppl working on a 'driver' but so far i have not been able to make the driver work, i am TOTALLYT new on Linux
[09:59] <thoreauputic> drrakn: indeed, you're right - I just reread the question
[09:59] <bob2> PeaceMakr: go get the ethernet version of the modem
[09:59] <ompaul> djib, the word ACCEPT or DROP is what I am interested in
[09:59] <hawk^> is it a bug or ?
[09:59] <PeaceMakr> bob2 my modem has ethernet and usb
[10:00] <djib> there are many many DROP words
[10:00] <drrakn> I'm afraid I don't know a friendly way to configure it though -- I just did it the hard way with my RAID5
[10:00] <djib> wait I'll do a pastebin thing
[10:00] <Cashel> is there a way to select only security updates in syndicate??
[10:00] <ompaul> djib, na just reinstall, then start without backports :)
[10:00] <lopingo> damn.. conflict
[10:00] <lopingo> >_>
[10:00] <djib> ompaul: why that ?
[10:01] <bob2> PeaceMakr: then use the ethernet port
[10:01] <lopingo> anyone installed alsa here?
[10:01] <bob2> PeaceMakr: does't it have a manual?
[10:01] <lopingo> or using alsa?
[10:01] <intelikey> hawk^ i kinda dought it.    my guess is your mouse is not configured properly.
[10:01] <aftertaf> how do i add sth with update-rc.d??? i tried sudo update-rc.d cmd 0 49 . and got an error
[10:01] <drrakn> GioSico: if you decide to go that route -- start with "man mdadm". It'll be a bit time consuming, but not too painful.
[10:01] <ompaul> djib, it would be shorter than trying to fix each of the packages
[10:01] <bob2> Cashel: "syndicate"?
[10:01] <bob2> aftertaf: read the manpage
[10:01] <Cashel> synaptic, lol oops
[10:01] <PeaceMakr> bob2 no go, thats why im here, getting frustrated
[10:01] <Cashel> I miss that game tho, lol
[10:01] <topyli> lopingo: alsa is there to begin with isn't it
[10:02] <aftertaf> bob2:  i have done..... i can't make sense of it!
[10:02] <ompaul> djib, one does not know exactly what damage you have done and it is the first out of the gate, but now you can do something very userful :)
[10:02] <bob2> aftertaf: and you didn't show us the error
[10:02] <intelikey> hawk^ "ls /dev/psaux " and see if it shows a device.
[10:02] <bob2> PeaceMakr: it has no manual?
[10:02] <lopingo> yes but it isnt working wif my sound dev
[10:02] <aftertaf> unexpected runlevel, did you forget . ??
[10:02] <lopingo> so i used the sound daemon
[10:02] <ompaul> djib, when you are installing make three partitions one of / one for swap and one for /home
[10:02] <aftertaf> $ sudo update-rc.d cmd 0 49 .
[10:02] <djib> ompaul: I didn't understand your last sentence
[10:02] <hydromet> hello all -- am a newbie here. I'd love to put Ubuntu PPC on a Firewire or USB 2.0 disk and run it off my Mac 15" PB.
[10:02] <brownie17> aftertaf: was that meant for me?
[10:02] <lopingo> lo
[10:02] <djib> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1949
[10:02] <PeaceMakr> bob2 no, and tech support at iburst is non existant and worse when Linux is involved
[10:03] <djib> I pasted my iptables -L there
[10:03] <ompaul> djib, okay - how much disk are you using?
[10:03] <intelikey> hawk^ ?
[10:03] <ompaul> djib, okay - for ubuntu
[10:03] <hydromet> can anyone say with certainty if PyQT runs on Ubuntu PPC ?
[10:03] <bob2> PeaceMakr: how on earth did you get it working on windows?
[10:03] <bob2> hydromet: of course it does
[10:03] <aftertaf> my question is to help you brownie17  and to learn too....
[10:03] <brownie17> ok
[10:03] <djib> I dunno, maybe 30%
[10:03] <thoreauputic> djib: what do you expect?  he's Irish  (/me ducks and runs from ompaul )
[10:03] <lopingo> topyli: i did try using it but failed
[10:03] <lopingo> sound device failed
[10:03] <bob2> aftertaf: showing the command and the output together is way less irritating than you posting btis of each
[10:03] <hydromet> bob2: sweet! I just wanted to check to make sure ahead of time.
[10:03] <djib> ^^ thoreauputic
[10:03] <lopingo> o gtg
[10:03] <lopingo> bye
[10:03] <topyli> lopingo: the sound server has to use oss or alsa itself. it doesn't make any sound
[10:03] <hawk^> does someone know why my mouse pad dosent work on ubuntu ???
[10:04] <lopingo> oh ok
[10:04] <lopingo> thanks man
[10:04] <ompaul> djib, 30% of what?
[10:04] <djib> hda1
[10:04] <Razor-X> hmmm, how would you go about using an enumerate space in LaTeX while making the items use letters instead of numbers?
[10:04] <derFlo> how can I start kde apps in systray?
[10:04] <intelikey> hawk^ are you ignoring me ?
[10:04] <hawk^> no
[10:04] <bob2> derFlo: #kubuntu; if no one there cares, ask on their mailing list
[10:04] <intelikey> hawk^ "ls /dev/psaux " and see if it shows a device.
[10:04] <pitti> Razor-X: \item[yourbullet] 
[10:04] <ompaul> djib, and emmm how big is that (getting back to the question)
[10:04] <hydromet> bob2: I had tried to install PyQT from source dependency chain (including Trolltech QT) on Tiger and it was a headache. I got it to work but then the apps with GUI on PyQT on Tiger are often greyed out and some text fields don't accept text input. Weird.
[10:05] <Razor-X> pitti: there's no automated way to specify letters only?
[10:05] <pitti> Razor-X: oh, that's not quite what you want, sorry
[10:05] <aftertaf> bob2:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1950 contains all
[10:06] <Zverokot> hello
[10:06] <intelikey> hawk^ or you can "lsmod "  and see if a module is loaded for the mouse.
[10:06] <djib> ompaul: I'm using 2.1Go
[10:06] <bob2> aftertaf: get rid of the final .
[10:06] <derFlo> thx
[10:06] <pitti> Razor-X: try \renewcommand{\theenumi}{\Alph{enumi}}
[10:07] <pitti> Razor-X: similar for enumii, enumiii, for the second, third level, and so on
[10:07] <intelikey> hawk^ you don't have a clue what i'm talking about do you ?
[10:07] <ompaul> djib, okay forget what I was about to suggest - does not make sense with that amount of disk
[10:07] <dreamie> what makes a computer run so slow on ubuntu?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> dreamie: it doesn't run slow here...
[10:08] <djib> I've got an external disk
[10:08] <djib> usb
[10:08] <thoreauputic> dreamie: did you look at the monitors we suggested
[10:08] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:08] <bob2> dreamie: you'd need to define "slow" a lot more strictly
[10:08] <djib> ompaul: but I've never managed to bood a linux from it
[10:09] <ompaul> djib, leave it alone - the amount of i/o activity would wear it out quickly - if you could get it to work to boot
[10:09] <djib> (installation goes fine, but it just won't boot)
[10:09] <djib> ok
[10:09] <thoreauputic> !tell dreamie about ask
[10:09] <djib> so what shall I do ompaul ?
[10:09] <dreamie> ok for instance it takes a few more seconds to multi task
[10:10] <ompaul> djib, okay reinstall and this time do not use backports except for hoary-extras  ... if you want and can use them
[10:10] <dreamie> and when i choose to minimize a maximize a window it takes longer too
[10:10] <PeaceMakr> dreamie what are your pcs specs?
[10:10] <dreamie> the browser takes a while too
[10:10] <thoreauputic> dreamie: longer than what?
[10:10] <dreamie> like a some seconds longer
[10:10] <GioSico> drrakn ... thanks for your replies ... is software mirroring available in Ubuntu ... I assume unison is a utility? available via apt-cache (is that what you mean?) and rsync I'll look into that too ... and look into man mdadm
[10:10] <dreamie> its not quick
[10:10] <aftertaf> bob2:  same error !!
[10:10] <dreamie> i am on laptop
[10:10] <GioSico> is mdadm the software raid utility?
[10:11] <drrakn> GioSico: unison/rsync are userland mirroring sync utilities and they can work over a network (or locally)
[10:11] <PeaceMakr> dreamie a 286 a amd64???
[10:11] <drrakn> mdadm is the software raid utility
[10:11] <djib> but ompaul I spent about a full day setting up all my config files yesterday ! I don't really feel like doing it again ^^
[10:11] <thoreauputic> dreamie: be specific, please
[10:11] <drrakn> and will be more reliable, if you have a failure between syncs
[10:11] <GioSico> great ... much thanks :)
[10:11] <drrakn> if you want to sync a bunch of networked servers, you might consider rsync
[10:11] <drrakn> although I'd just use the builtin replication support in mysql at that point
[10:11] <GioSico> ic ... good 2 no
[10:12] <GioSico> more good tips
[10:12] <GioSico> :)
[10:12] <pitti> Razor-X: does that work?
[10:12] <dreamie> i have an ibm thinkpad 390
[10:12] <brownie17> madpilot: i have a problem with my startup, i deleted one of the startup options, and now i can't boot. how can i add it again (  ;( i didn't backup)
[10:13] <topyli> GioSico: unison works very well when you have to keep something like ~/Desktop in sync between two desktop machines, over ssh
[10:13] <topyli> but it's no backup solution
[10:13] <ompaul> djib, I can't unravel your backports mess, to do so would mean that I have exactly the same system as you only not broken
[10:14] <PeaceMakr> thinkpad 390:  CPU: Mobile Pentium-II 233 MHz
[10:14] <GioSico> thanks everyone for the good tips
[10:14] <kemik> brownie17:  always backup or just comment out stuff.. especially when you dont know what youre doing
[10:14] <ompaul> djib, you will do it a lot quicker today :)
[10:14] <aftertaf> kemik:  its a update-rc.d problem
[10:15] <kemik> gotta go
[10:15] <aftertaf> we're trying to stop the evms service form crashing on boot...
[10:15] <PeaceMakr> thinkpad 390:  Video: Neomagic nmg5 with 2.5 mb vram
[10:15] <brownie17> bob2: i have an update-rc.d problem
[10:15] <ompaul> djib, imagine you had a BMW 7  series and you fitted parts from a lexus to it -
[10:15] <bob2> brownie17: that's great
[10:15] <PeaceMakr> dreamie i think you are asking alot from your thinkpad 390
[10:16] <brownie17> bob2: :), can you help me? i want to add the evm back into my boot
[10:16] <intelikey> ok mouse on lappy is psaux isn't it ?
[10:16] <bob2> no
[10:16] <ompaul> djib, now imagine bringing the car to a custom shop
[10:16] <drrakn> no kidding -- gnome is already dog slow on my 600mhz lifebook :p
[10:16] <aftertaf> hence the update-rc.d trouble
[10:16] <drrakn> I can't imagine a 233
[10:16] <runge> hi, does ubuntu handle "Intel 815 OnBoard" video cars? (I seam to remmeber some kind of bug)
[10:17] <drrakn> did the ubuntu-light desktop ever come to fruitition?
[10:17] <bob2> mostly
[10:17] <thoreauputic> drrakn: it's being worked on - there's a mailing list/google group for it
[10:17] <GioSico> o and I guess I should ask just to be safe ... if I want to add more ram and harddrives ... to ubuntu .. can I just put them in as normal .. and start the computer .. or do I need to do any PRE config?
[10:17] <drrakn> thoreauputic: I assume it'll be breezy+1?
[10:18] <brownie17> drrakn: i have a 433 with ubuntu and it works prtty much fine
[10:18] <djib> ompaul: it seems that I didn't install backports
[10:18] <dazvid> silly question.. where do the skins for XMMS get stored by default?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I don't know - so far I believe there's a test CD, but I haven't tried it
[10:18] <nalioth> GioSico: ram is seen by the hardware and ubuntu will use it
[10:18] <drrakn> thoreauputic: I suppose I can figure that out on my own :)
[10:18] <nalioth> GioSico: your hard drives can be added when you boot the machine after adding them
[10:19] <aftertaf> i thought this was supposed to be a support channel, not a "i'm a linux guru, you sad n00b" channel......must've been mistaken.
[10:19] <djib> I just created a apt/preferences file and set a priority > 1000 for hory, horay-updates and hoary-security
[10:19] <zcat[1] > aftertaf: you're mistaken. noob!
[10:19] <djib> and one < 0 for the rest
[10:19] <bob2> apokryphos: what are yo ucomplaining about?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I just did a "server" install with fluxbox on my P200 mmx / 64MB RAM
[10:19] <graeme> dazvid,  do a dpkg -L and you can see all the files in a package
[10:19] <dazvid> Thanks graeme
[10:19] <PeaceMakr> if someone has ever got iburst running on any distro please let me know, i want this issue put behind me asap
[10:19] <bob2> bah
[10:19] <nalioth> aftertaf: quit stirring
[10:19] <drrakn> thoreauputic: that's not a bad idea
[10:19] <bob2> aftertaf: what are you coplaining about?
[10:19] <djib> then I did an dist-upgrade
[10:20] <brownie17> WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE UPDATE-RC.D
[10:20] <djib> and it didn't downgrade any package except fro libruby
[10:20] <ompaul> djib, put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin the contents of 'iptables -L' into same also see you in a few
[10:20] <GioSico> nalioth ... thank you for your replies ... just thought I should ask as I have not done much linux work in the past ...
[10:20] <nalioth> brownie17: you are gonna get shown the door for that
[10:20] <aftertaf> nalioth:  i'm not... but when you ask for help and just get blindwalled... i'm trying to help someone who knows even less than me... thats all
[10:20] <thoreauputic> drrakn: I runs OK - the main drag is using Firefox: too heavy - dillo and links2 graphical run fine
[10:20] <aftertaf> brownie17:  dont shout.....
[10:20] <PeaceMakr> darn caps lol
[10:20] <brownie17> sorry
[10:20] <thoreauputic> s/I/it
[10:21] <derFlo> "kstart" solved my problem. just in case someone cares.
[10:21] <tommi^> Hi. I wrote an email with an evolution and in the response to my email I noticed that the scandinavian characters were wrong. This I think is due to that the respondent uses outlook or webmail and the default character set from composing new email is utf-8, right? Should I just change to iso-8859-15 to get rid off email problems because windows simply don't understand utf-8?
[10:21] <brownie17> i deserve to get kicked for that, but it's just frsutrating
[10:21] <ompaul> djib, and your prefs file
[10:21] <nalioth> aftertaf: ask some1 else. there are many users in here
[10:21] <djib> ompaul: the restult of my iptables -L is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1949
[10:21] <nalioth> GioSico: you'll have no problem(s)
[10:21] <brownie17> can anyone help me with an urgent update-rc.d problem?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> brownie17: update-rc.d <app> defaults IIRC
[10:22] <PeaceMakr> brownie17 there are ways to disable the capslock key
[10:22] <brownie17> peacemakr: :)
[10:22] <zcat[1] > brownie17: the man page covers it pretty well.. I just make simlinks by hand usually
[10:22] <brownie17> thoreauputic: thanx
[10:22] <tommi^> brownie17, don't ask if someone could help with your problem. Just tell us what your problem is.
[10:22] <ompaul> djib, what firewall did you install?
[10:22] <ompaul> djib, and why?
[10:23] <brownie17> thoreauputic: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/evm: file does not exist
[10:23] <thoreauputic> brownie17: well you have to make it exist, obviously
[10:23] <usuario> hello
[10:23] <brownie17> thoreauputic: yes, how do i do that?
[10:23] <zcat[1] > apparently the file /etc/init.d/evm doesn't exist!
[10:24] <thoreauputic> brownie17: ah - is this about enterprise volume management ?
[10:24] <zcat[1] > what's evm supposed to do?
[10:24] <usuario> What is this channel talking about?
[10:24] <brownie17> thoreauputic: i cannot stay, if you know how to fix it, email it to brownie17@gmail.com and yes it is eneterprise volume managemtn system
[10:24] <bob2> usuario: ubuntu...
[10:24] <thoreauputic> brownie17: lokk at "BUM" boot up manager
[10:24] <thoreauputic> !bum
[10:24] <ubotu> [bum]  a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:24] <brownie17> brb int 30 mins
[10:24] <bob2> brownie17: why do you want EVMS to be running, anyway?
[10:25] <djib> ompaul: I installed guarddog
[10:25] <djib> but I haven't configured it
[10:25] <djib> I just updated my pastebin
[10:25] <djib> with the other files you asked for
[10:25] <Cashel> bum crashed for me... and took my kernel along for a ride...
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Cashel: ouch
[10:26] <djib> ompaul: I installed guarddog because I was told it is good ^^
[10:26] <Cashel> its not so hard to do by hand, I'll live w/ out, hehe
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Cashel: indeed
[10:26] <nalioth> djib: with a default install, no firewall is necessary
[10:26] <B_joey> riansm
[10:26] <djib> nolan: why that ?
[10:26] <ompaul> djib, well remove it
[10:26] <drrakn> djib: nothing is listening on the network
[10:26] <blrich> can someone tell me - does the ubuntu kernel support reiser4?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> djib: because no services run by default facing the internet
[10:27] <djib> oh ok
[10:27] <bob2> blrich: no
[10:27] <intelikey> ok use the control key and the letter c   " [ctrl]  c  "  both at the same time to kill the od command.
[10:27] <blrich> bob2, will it ever? it has mkreiser4
[10:27] <intelikey> sorry guys.
[10:27] <drrakn> totally randomness -- does reiserfs still have spindown issues with laptop-mode?
[10:28] <bob2> blrich: is reiser4 in the mainline kernel?
[10:28] <PeaceMakr> goodbye everyone, thanks for your help
[10:28] <aapelii> where do I do bug reports about breezy_
[10:28] <djib> ok, I purged guarddog and guidedog
[10:29] <nalioth> aapelii: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <bob2> or launchpad.net for packages in universe
[10:29] <aapelii> nalioth: oh, I thought it was only for releases. Thanks
[10:30] <intelikey> guys the newbe need help configing a mouse psaux is working but he needs a gui way to config it  ---> hawk^
[10:30] <djib> ompaul: do you think it should work now ?
[10:30] <usuario> when is ubuntu going to be a stock?
[10:30] <djib> shall i reboot ?
[10:31] <aftertaf> bob2:  he has evms hanging his system for like 15 mins on boot, so i helped him deactivate it on startup, now he says he doesnt even have gnome running anymore, so he wants it back....
[10:31] <aftertaf> my fault for trying to help when out of my depth too.... sorry
[10:31] <ivoks> is aaron doucet here?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> djib: try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:31] <ompaul> djib, it should if you remove the firewall
[10:31] <hawk^> how do i configure the mouse from the gui? im new to linux  and ive checked the device, its working. PM plz
[10:31] <ivoks> last call, aaron doucet?
[10:31] <bob2> aftertaf: that has nothing to do with gnome being broken
[10:32] <ivoks> thank you
[10:32] <aapelii> anyone know where in the config files is the default keymap for gnome? I can't get it configured with the gui.
[10:32] <aftertaf> my thoughts exactly bob2 ;)
[10:32] <djib> ok, I'll try that thanks
[10:32] <djib> I'll be right back
[10:32] <usuario> who designed ubuntu?
[10:33] <omp342> i'm off off to sleep
[10:33] <bob2> usuario: www.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <omp342> bye guys
[10:33] <thoreauputic> usuario: erm.. odd question - it is Debian based
[10:33] <crashbox> hey all.... just got ubuntu loaded..... but my res is stuck at 640x480.  how can i change this to a higher res?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> usuario: what do you mean by "designed" ?
[10:34] <nalioth> crashbox: system > prefs > screen resolution
[10:34] <intelikey> crashbox you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.config
[10:34] <bob2> neither of those are very helpful
[10:34] <crashbox> nalioth, only shows 640x480
[10:34] <bob2> unless you're going to explain how to setup modelines manually
[10:34] <nalioth> !tell crashbox about resolution
[10:35] <crashbox> nalioth, will review
[10:37] <zcat[1] > !help
[10:37] <usuario> designed = made the structure of the operating system
[10:37] <usuario> Are the device/machine to make chips made in Holland, the company I think it is called ASML?
[10:37] <intelikey> dpkg --reconfigure xorg<something>
[10:37] <linner> hello...
[10:37] <linner> any new linux users in here?
[10:37] <zcat[1] > several..
[10:37] <nalioth> linner: none, we are all 10 year veterans
[10:37] <linner> fantastic
[10:37] <brown_girl> hello
[10:38] <linner> LOL
[10:38] <thoreauputic> usuario: Ubuntu is GNU/Linux
[10:38] <djib> hey
[10:38] <linner> hello brown
[10:38] <djib> it did'nt change much ompaul
[10:38] <intelikey> linner i am.
[10:38] <brown_girl> hi linner
[10:38] <odat> anyone know of a good audio player that scans / watches a folder for new files?
[10:38] <linner> today is my first day using ubuntu... I used linspire very briefly... so far ubuntu rocks!
[10:38] <crashbox> it's asking to input the vio cards bus identifier, it displays PCI:1:0:0, but my card is agp.... should this mater?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> usuario: a distribution of a system that has grown over a couple of decades
[10:39] <thoreauputic> if you include pre-kernel days
[10:39] <linner> intel:  how long have you been using linux?
[10:39] <intelikey> i have only been using linux for a few months
[10:39] <intelikey> maybe 30 something months
[10:39] <intelikey> :)
[10:39] <linner> intel:  so next to me you're an expert! :)
[10:39] <djib> ompaul: did you have a look at my pastebin ?
[10:40] <CrashFire> Hello
[10:40] <CrashFire> can somebody help me?
[10:40] <djib> linspire isn't free is it linner ?
[10:40] <linner> hey Crash
[10:40] <linner> djib:  it was through today
[10:40] <djib> CrashFire: yo
[10:40] <ompaul> djib, do this - iptables -F
[10:40] <intelikey> i don't know if i'd go that far, linner
[10:40] <linner> they had a special I found out about through digg.com
[10:40] <linner> intel:  *smile*
[10:40] <CrashFire> I downloading ubuntu 5.04 now , can I set up eggdrops shell in it?
[10:40] <djib> ok ompaul, i'll be right back ^^
[10:40] <ompaul> djib, then you will have to do this
[10:40] <nalioth> crashbox: yes
[10:40] <djib> yes ?
[10:41] <brownie17> bob2: becasue it wont run without it
[10:41] <ompaul> djib, let me get the syntax 100% correct
[10:41] <CrashFire> can I set up eggdrops shell in ubuntu 5.04???
[10:41] <djib> ok ^^
[10:41] <zcat[1] > CrashFire: yes
[10:41] <CrashFire> thx
[10:41] <linner> linspire was pretty nice... did emulate windows desktop pretty well and was a nice intro to linux... but as far as trying to install software... well, unless you used their CNR, forget it!
[10:41] <linner> so that's how I found out about ubuntu
[10:42] <linner> and I'm thrilled with it so far
[10:42] <CrashFire> is it norwegian helplist for makeing a shell ?
[10:42] <nalioth> CrashFire: everyone answered crashbox a resounding "yes"
[10:42] <linner> intel:  are you fully switched over?
[10:42] <linner> meaning, are you using a linux box onlly?
[10:42] <CrashFire> nalioth : ok
[10:42] <thoreauputic> CrashFire: wow that was patient! You waited a whole 40 seconds before repeating!
[10:42] <CrashFire> crashbox : yes
[10:43] <CrashFire> thoreauputic ??
[10:43] <linner> hehehe
[10:43] <bob2> brownie17: sure it will
[10:43] <thoreauputic> CrashFire: never mind.. :/
[10:43] <kairu0> any qemu users?
[10:43] <djib> yes
[10:43] <bob2> best to just ask your question
[10:43] <linner> is anyone trying to sync a Tungsten T3 with Evolution's palm client?
[10:44] <djib> kairu0: what's the problem with qemu ?
[10:44] <linner> or a Palm anything for that matter
[10:44] <kairu0> djib: i dont know if its a bug or what but i installed winxp in qemu and i cant drag things with the mouse
[10:44] <thoreauputic> linner: someone in a galaxy far away no doubt is... ;)
[10:45] <djib> winxp is not compatible with xp is it ?
[10:45] <linner> thoreau:  nice, thanks :)
[10:45] <djib> -xp +qemu
[10:45] <slash> ?
[10:45] <slash> german ?
[10:45] <zcat[1] > xp isn;t compatable with anything
[10:45] <aftertaf> lol zcat[1]  :P
[10:45] <brownie17> bob2: well it's not, it runs up until the gnoe-panel where it gives me a "HAL" error, and doesnt load the panel
[10:45] <Sav^> Im following a howto and go to the line "I changed my repo sources to breezy for a moment, downloaded linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12 kernel with ubuntu patches)", can anyone help me explain what breezy-source is?
[10:45] <ompaul> djib,  sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -P FILTER ACCEPT
[10:46] <slash> Problems with Windows - Reboot , Problems with Linux - Be root
[10:46] <linner> thoreauputic:  is there a better channel where I should ask my question?  seriously now
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: then perhaps this person broke HAL
[10:46] <djib> kairu0: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html
[10:46] <ompaul> djib,  but sudo iptables -F first
[10:46] <brownie17> bob2: what person broke HAL? what
[10:46] <thoreauputic> linner: I was just joking :)
[10:46] <linner> <-- can take a joke... :)
[10:46] <kairu0> djib, thanks
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: ?
[10:46] <djib> yes ompaul
[10:46] <aftertaf> me? :(
[10:46] <djib> no worries kairu
[10:46] <bob2> brownie17: whoever is experiencing this problem
[10:46] <bob2> gnome is not going to fail to start because EVMS is disabled
[10:46] <HiddenFly> when i remove packages thru synaptic, what is the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal? which one do you recommend?
[10:46] <slash> *trashing*
[10:47] <djib> I got win2000 running pretty well in qemu
[10:47] <bob2> it will have problems if someone broke HAL, tho
[10:47] <djib> I think it's the best compromise
[10:47] <thoreauputic> OK time to go and eat - happy Ubunting ...
[10:47] <djib> what do you cant to do exactly kairu0 ?
[10:47] <linner> bye Thoreau
[10:47] <linner> :)
[10:47] <jack-> anyone good with kickstart files, and the "configurator" app?
[10:47] <drrakn> djib: I'm hoping AMDs Pacifica + Xen will solve my emulation problems :)
[10:47] <aftertaf> bob2:  all i told brownie17 to do was update-rc.d remove evms
[10:48] <bob2> aftertaf: okiedokie
[10:48] <angelus__1969> has anyone been able to burn the new test Breezy for PPC??
[10:48] <bob2> that is not going to break gnome, tho
[10:48] <djib> what the hell is that drrakn ?
[10:48] <fluvvell> bob2: urk! I made a new /dev while in livecd and get a kernel panic now when rebooting
[10:48] <Cashel> djib, you ever use vmware? hows qemu compare?
[10:48] <jack-> wonder why nothing appears in package selection, except for ubuntu desktop..
[10:48] <linner> i guess i'm curious why in the world would anyone want to dual boot linux and windows?  the whole point is to move away from windoze I thought.
[10:48] <fluvvell> says- no dev/console
[10:48] <bob2> fluvvell: and the panic is...
[10:48] <drrakn> djib: their new (not released) chipset with better virtualization support
[10:48] <djib> Cashel: vmware is not free, a firend of mine has an xp running very well under vmware
[10:48] <ompaul> djib,  did you get that
[10:48] <bob2> linner: how is that the "whole point"?  people can use whatever they want for whatever purpose they want
[10:49] <fluvvell> bob2: not syncing attempting to kill
[10:49] <djib> ompaul: yes
[10:49] <drrakn> djib: which should allow xen to work with XP (unmodified)
[10:49] <djib> ompaul: thank you
[10:49] <jamey3> linner, because quite a few people use windows for gaming, linux for everything else
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  yes, I agree... and I'm just wondering why they'd want to dual boot
[10:49] <djib> i'll try in a few seconds
[10:49] <linner> jamey3:  ahhh... got it...
[10:49] <ompaul> djib, it will remove the firewall
[10:49] <brownie17> zcat[1] : no i didn't. i'm too scared, and obviously for good reason
[10:49] <Cashel> djib, I know I've got vmware ... just wondering how qemu compares in functionality?
[10:49] <bob2> linner: some people like playing games, or using some obscure app that doens't run in wine
[10:49] <djib> drrakn: wat is xen ?
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  got it...
[10:49] <Sav^> Im following a howto and go to the line "I changed my repo sources to breezy for a moment, downloaded linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12 kernel with ubuntu patches)", can anyone help me explain what breezy-source is?
[10:49] <drrakn> djib: virtualization software, vaguely like vmware
[10:49] <linner> bob2:  wasn't trying to offend; trying to understand....
[10:50] <jamey3> linner, I really wish they could somehow write platform-independent games or something
[10:50] <djib> qemu is much slower if you don't use qemu accelerator
[10:50] <djib> but it is pretty good
[10:50] <drrakn> djib: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[10:50] <linner> jamey3:  I'll betcha they can...
[10:50] <brownie17> bob2: are you sure bum will help me? becasue i am having a littel bit of trouble installing it
[10:50] <zcat[1] > hmm.. well I agree just removing or dissabling evms shouldn't have killed gnome or anything.
[10:50] <djib> ok drrakn thanks
[10:50] <bob2> Sav^: ignore that howto, it's wrong
[10:50] <drrakn> djib: np
[10:50] <bob2> Sav^: go to packages.ubuntu.com, search for that package, and download and install it
[10:50] <jamey3> Can someone help me with an apache rewrite rule?
[10:51] <brownie17> bob2: is it possible that the HAL error was a one-time thing?
[10:51] <bob2> Sav^: I'm not sure 2.6.12 will actually work on hoary at all, tho
[10:51] <djib> Cashel: I don't use qemu anymore, and never used vmware myself so I can't really compare ^^
[10:51] <bob2> brownie17: perhaps
[10:51] <djib> ok, i'll be right back
[10:51] <bob2> Sav^: why do you want 2.6.12?
[10:51] <brownie17> bob2: well i will restart, and then you can maybe help me with installing bum
[10:51] <linner> ok ya'll... it's my night night time... so I'll chat with ya'll later... nice to see such a knowledgable crowd!  ya'll take care
[10:51] <fluvvell> bob2: actual error is /sbin/init:  428: cannot open /dev/console: no such file
[10:52] <Sav^> bob2: to get my Acer TM 8101 working http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46536&highlight=8103
[10:52] <fluvvell> bob2: then the kernel panic
[10:52] <angelus__1969> anyone using Ubuntu on ppc??
[10:52] <zcat[1] > yes!! beige g3 ppc :)
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: lots of people do, just ask your question
[10:53] <angelus__1969> I'm trying to burn the new Breezy iso
[10:53] <angelus__1969> anyone any luck with it
[10:53] <jack-> fn~zcat[1] : how did you get it to boot?
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: this sounds more like a mac os problem
[10:53] <bob2> angelus__1969: try a different burning program
[10:53] <jack-> tried that here too, i thought it must be a new world mac or something
[10:53] <nalioth> angelus__1969: use Disk Utility
[10:53] <angelus__1969> bob2: I tried with toast and with dragon burn (which can overburn)
[10:53] <Cashel> ok I'm off for awhile, have fun folks
[10:53] <zcat[1] > Umm.. BootX I think it's called
[10:53] <angelus__1969> bob2: I also tried on a Centos box
[10:54] <jack-> its not included, right?
[10:54] <crashbox> hey, got it fixed, thanks............
[10:54] <jack-> i think the default is yaboot or something
[10:54] <cafuego> urrgh
[10:54] <zcat[1] > nah, getting any linux onto an oldworld mac is a bit of an art.
[10:54] <henk__> I've got windows installed on hda and linux on sda (serial ata). Grub installed itself on the bootrecord of hda, the files for grb are on sda1. The first time i booted into linux, no problem.. but if i boot into windows once, the next time i boot grub says it cannot find stage2 anymore (it can find stage1.5). I re-instaled grub and it happened again, it seems the booting into windows XP somehow get grub confused. Any ideas on what may be happenin
[10:54] <nalioth> angelus__1969: use Disk Utility
[10:54] <jack-> indeed zcat
[10:55] <jack-> same for os x..i never managed, yet
[10:55] <cafuego> zcat[1] : hardly, just a matter of using BootX.
[10:55] <brownie17> would you guys beleive it? that HAL error was a once off thing
[10:55] <brownie17> bob2: worked fine this time
[10:55] <angelus__1969> nalioth: it's burning..... I hope :)
[10:55] <cafuego> jack-: 10.2 and older are generally fine on oldWorld Macs. 10.3 and newer won't install.
[10:55] <zcat[1] > make a minimal (150-200M) partition for macos, install macos, download and install BootX, copy kernel and initrd image off install cd..
[10:55] <jack-> uhh
[10:55] <jack-> thx!
[10:56] <jack-> ill try with jaguar then
[10:56] <jack-> but actually, id love to get ubuntu running hehe
[10:56] <cafuego> just hold down 'c'
[10:56] <zcat[1] > then boot, install, change console, mount HFS partition and copy runtime kernel and initrd for bootx to use..
[10:56] <angelus__1969> does anyone know if breezy works on a rev. 2 Imac G5??
[10:56] <angelus__1969> because 5.04 doesn't :)
[10:57] <jack-> problem with kubuntu-hoary and ubuntu-hoary is, holding c doesnt make it boot
[10:57] <zcat[1] > I should write up a howto.. I've done it twice onc with ubuntu and again with kubuntu
[10:57] <nalioth> angelus__1969: idk what that is, but it hangs during install on my G5 imac (a known bug)
[10:57] <cafuego> angelus__1969: How is hoary faling? (It works fine here)
[10:57] <nalioth> zcat[1] :  >>> wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <cafuego> angelus__1969: Sorry, missed the G5 bit :-)
[10:57] <angelus__1969> cafuego: it boots and then I get a kernel panic
[10:57] <angelus__1969> nalioth: I don't even get to the install stage
[10:58] <jack-> zcat: how can i force my stupid old mac to boot that?
[10:58] <jack-> :<
[10:58] <cafuego> angelus__1969: You could give colony4 a try, but it still can't slow down thge cpu fan afaik.
[10:58] <cafuego> jack-: BootX
[10:58] <zcat[1] > nalioth: there's a howto there already, but some of the steps could have been easier (using pivotroot when the base is already mounted on /target - pointless and confusing!)
[10:58] <jack-> install bootx on my hd first?
[10:58] <angelus__1969> cafuego: that is the iso I'm trying to burn :)
[10:58] <angelus__1969> cafuego: what else is not supported?
[10:59] <nalioth> zcat[1] : so log in and update the steps
[10:59] <nalioth> zcat[1] : that's what a wiki is
[10:59] <zcat[1] > bah, ok..
[10:59] <cafuego> jack-: partition it in the MacOS installer, leave a few GB for linux. Then install Mac OS. Then install BootX on macOS and use it to boot the installer (with the correct initrd image); then
[10:59] <cafuego> angelus__1969: no support for airport express
[11:00] <nalioth> cafuego: the express plugs into the wall, airport extreme is what is inside the case
[11:00] <cafuego> nalioth: yesye
[11:00] <angelus__1969> cafuego: hmmmm airport express is build in ......
[11:00] <angelus__1969> cafuego: how about bluetooth?
[11:00] <djib> hey ompaul
[11:00] <djib> I tried what you said
[11:01] <ompaul> and put nothing in pastebin
[11:01] <djib> I got iptables: Bad built-in chain name
[11:01] <jamey3> Can someone help me with a simple apache mod_rewrite rule?
[11:01] <ompaul> ahh do them one at a time
[11:01] <djib> I tried that
[11:01] <djib> it's the last one who does it
[11:01] <djib> the one with FILTER
[11:02] <ompaul> forward?
[11:02] <djib> it may have to do something with the error I get when I tried and restart network
[11:02] <ompaul> doh!
[11:02] <djib> :homer:
[11:02] <djib> ^^
[11:02] <ompaul> that last one is forward
[11:02] <djib> ok
[11:02] <ompaul> when done restart
[11:02] <djib> (computer or network ?)
[11:03] <ompaul> djib, computer
[11:03] <djib> ok
[11:03] <djib> I'll be right back ^^
[11:03] <ompaul> djib, it should come up okay or you have some other issues
[11:04] <dazvid> when booting up, my "Configuring network" stage takes like 1 minute.. is there a way to cut this down?
[11:04] <angelus__1969> cafuego: is there a site about ubuntu on ppc and what is and isn't supported (in breezy, colony 4)??
[11:05] <Burgundavia> angelus__1969, for all laptops, your wireless is not going to work
[11:05] <nalioth> angelus__1969: irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu   ?
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[11:27] (dazvid/#ubuntu) Somada141, what text editors are you familiar with?
[11:27] (dazvid/#ubuntu) in the console ^
[11:27] (Somada141/#ubuntu) in winXP?
[11:27] (natecull/#ubuntu) I have a slightly dumb X question
[11:27] (Ng/#ubuntu) VoX: are you sure it hasn't just changed a little and nvidia's current release isn't compatible?
[11:27] (Somada141/#ubuntu) oh
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) yes ompaul, I wanted to try and fix that...
[11:28] (natecull/#ubuntu) I am getting sick of needing to restart X whenever a rogue app (such as Dosbox) does nasty things to my screen mode
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) well i'm not familiar with consoles that much
[11:28] (dazvid/#ubuntu) ok
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) it's my first decent try on Linux
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) but If I spend a full day on it, I may as well just spend half a day reconfiguring ^^
[11:28] (natecull/#ubuntu) one would think that X could be set up using client/server magic somehow so that when I ctrl-alt-backspace, all my applications keep running and just reconnect when the X server comes back up
[11:28] (Somada141/#ubuntu) till now i was a Windows guy
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) see you as soon as I've reinstalled
[11:28] (ompaul/#ubuntu) djib, it should not be half a day
[11:28] (aftertaf/#ubuntu) !tell Somada141 about cli
[11:28] (VoX/#ubuntu) Ng: nah, there were other issues with it aswell.  Friend of mine is a kernel developer, told me that something happened to 2.6.13 when it was ported from 2.6.12.x, and to steer clear of it(2.6.13) for a while
[11:28] (djib/#ubuntu) we'll se
[11:28] <djib> e
[11:28] <natecull> is it at all possible to configure, say, Ubuntu to act like this?
[11:28] <natecull> is it even possible with GNOME at all?
[11:29] <Ng> VoX: you should be staying with your vendor kernel anyway, but fair enough
[11:29] <dazvid> Somada141, well i use vim, but thats only really for programmers.. there are some more user friendly ones such as gedit. But I dont know which is better to use.. you will have to find one you like :)
[11:29] <Somada141> ok
[11:29] <aftertaf> natecull:  X apps are run as child processes of X, so if you kill X, ...
[11:29] <aftertaf> dazvid:  dempends on what mode you're in too.
[11:29] <natecull> aftertaf: yes, that's precisely what I'm asking if there's a better way to do it. *Why* exactly must apps be run as child processes of X, and not of my user account?
[11:30] <Ng> natecull: you can do that, but you need to use something like Xvnc, which isn't that much fun
[11:30] <aftertaf> if youre stuck without X, good to know how to modify and save
[11:30] <dazvid> aftertaf, what do you mean? is this for the network configuration thing?
[11:30] <aftertaf> dazvid:  no for vim
[11:30] <natecull> Ng: I wouldn't want to run vnc locally, no. But surely X does the whole separation of client vs server thing built in, for free?
[11:30] <dazvid> ah ok
[11:30] <VoX> natecull: because the apps are run within the x environment, not within the local userspace
[11:31] <dazvid> Somada141, type in your console window: cat /etc/fstab
[11:31] <Ng> natecull: they are separated, but they're not persistant in the way you want. There's something called FreeNX too that might do it, but I've never used it/
[11:31] <vegiVamp> grmbl
[11:31] <dazvid> Somada141, and it should print out your device listing
[11:31] <vegiVamp> didn't have network after reboot
[11:31] <natecull> VoX: But I could run those apps on a completely different machine, across the network, couldn't I? And then if I rebooted my local X server, they'd keep running? Or not?
[11:31] <vegiVamp> fixed that, now can't open terminal for some reason...
[11:32] <vegiVamp> wonderful advice in the wiki :-)
[11:32] <Somada141> and the NTFS will be in there?
[11:32] <vegiVamp> I suppose I'll have to update it myself
[11:32] <dazvid> Somada141, no, but thats where you will put it in a second
[11:32] <Somada141> what's the command for that?
[11:32] <VoX> natecull: ahhh i see what your getting at. hmm im not sure
[11:33] <dazvid> Somada141, first, we need to create a directory to mount it.. so type: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[11:33] <natecull> AFAIK both Xvnc and FreeNX are thin-client solutions. I'm thinking about just leveraging the much-vaunted network-transparency of X that's built right in, but on a single machine.
[11:33] <crashbox> Somada141, i was looking for that info to.....just read the comments.....it tells you how to do it
[11:33] <Somada141> ok
[11:35] <dazvid> Somada141, now we want to edit the fstab file.. so type: sudo vim /etc/fstab
[11:35] <crashbox> Somada141, if u have a question, lemme know, i just did it and it worked fine
[11:35] <natecull> I presume there's a good reason why this is a bad idea, but I'm not sure who to ask to find out why exactly it's a bad idea.
[11:35] <VoX> natecull: try in #xorg, they might have an answer
[11:35] <Somada141> ok
[11:36] <cosmos_> I apted hydrogen without problem but when I ran it said can not connect to sound driver, but ALSA sound system is working fine, anybody any idea?
[11:36] <vegiVamp> natecull: you want to run apps that survive a reboot, is that it ?
[11:36] <dazvid> So you have a text file open now Somada141. You want to insert a line at the bottom. so use j to navigate to the bottom of the file, and then hit o to open a new line
[11:37] <dazvid> from there insert this line: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs user,umask=0222 0 0
[11:37] <Ng> Go ;)
[11:37] <natecull> vegiVamp: I want to run apps that survive an X server restart, yes
[11:37] <natecull> since that's what tends to get corrupted when I try to play games
[11:37] <vegiVamp> natecull: graphical apps won't
[11:37] <natecull> vegiVamp: any particular reason why not?
[11:37] <vegiVamp> not even when they're run remotely
[11:37] <natecull> ah
[11:38] <vegiVamp> because they depend on the interfaces that your X provides
[11:38] <natecull> that seems rather... shortsighted of the X protocol designers
[11:38] <fernando> Hi, I just finished installing ubuntu server, I reboot the computer and it came to a shell, I typed exit to go in the a gui mode, is this the right way to login in ubuntu?, also the system doesn't take my root password. Did I do something wrong?
[11:38] <Ng> it's not really the X designers's fault
[11:38] <vegiVamp> What you can do, however, is run an Xvnc server on a second display, and connect to that using a vnc client
[11:38] <Ng> the application doesn't have to die
[11:38] <Ng> they just tend to because there's no easy alternative
[11:38] <Somada141> do you know where can i find packages for other languages? I installed ubuntu in home where i dont have a connection and i need to get the greek language package
[11:39] <dazvid> Somada141, once you have put that line into the fstab file, you must save it. Hit esc, and then type :wq   (w saves, q exits)
[11:39] <vegiVamp> the apps will then run entirely in the second server and survive your main server's reboot
[11:39] <natecull> Ng: hmm.
[11:39] <VoX> Ng: dont happen to know what version of automake hoary is running, do you?
[11:39] <nalioth> !tell fernando about root
[11:39] <natecull> vegiVamp: yeah, but it's more the corruption of my X environment, I guess, that's happening
[11:40] <vegiVamp> natecull: define
[11:40] <natecull> IE: Dosbox (or some other game) exits, and suddenly my screen is in 640x480 mode, mouse doesn't respond but keyboard does
[11:40] <Ng> natecull: I think the gtk people are working on ways of migrating an app from one X server to another, which ought to also allow them to survive a restart, but that stuff is nowhere near ready yet. I happen to agree with you that this is a major oversight in X, but so far the only people I know of to do this kind of thing on any scale are Windows's Terminal Services and Sun's hotdesking sunray thing I forget the name of ;)
[11:40] <Ng> VoX: I can see pacakges for 1.4, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 and 1.9
[11:40] <vegiVamp> Ng: terminal services and sunray don't survive reboots either
[11:40] <natecull> at this point, though Linux is still functioning perfectly, I need to at least restart X, which involves killing my open OpenOffice document, my Firefox session, my X-Chat window, etc
[11:40] <vegiVamp> they're just viewscreens on a remote desktop
[11:41] <VoX> Ng: hmmm how would i go about installing automake 1.5 or greater on breezy?
[11:41] <VoX> (its running 1.4)
[11:41] <Ng> vegiVamp: it's the closest thing to them, although I thought the sunray stuff was more native
[11:41] <vegiVamp> no, sunray is just xdmcp with some custom sun extensions
[11:41] <Ng> vegiVamp: I did say "this kind of thing" to imply inequality ;p
[11:41] <Ng> lame
[11:41] <vegiVamp> :-)
[11:41] <natecull> Oh, the reason I'm getting GUI corruption in the first place is that I'm playing games that either use fullscreen mode or OpenGL
[11:41] <Ng> VoX: have you searched with synaptic/apt-cache? it probably has the version you want
[11:41] <akrobat> hi
[11:42] <vegiVamp> then play those on a separate xserver :-)
[11:42] <akrobat> need help
[11:42] <Ng> yeah
[11:42] <dazvid> with what?
[11:42] <natecull> I wouldn't even mind so much if there were a way to set my display back to the right resolution without restarting X
[11:42] <natecull> but when you lose your mouse, that gets annoying
[11:42] <VoX> Ng: yeah, it's telling me that automake 1.4 is the most up-to-date version in breezy
[11:42] <akrobat> command to rar some files
[11:43] <Ng> natecull: vegiVamp makes a good point, Applications->System Tools->New Login will give you a new X server on another console, run the game from that and when it goes wrong, kill it and the main X server will still be running on vt7 as normal :)
[11:43] <Ng> VoX: odd, I'm not running breezy though, so I dunno
[11:43] <natecull> Ng: oooh
[11:43] <natecull> Hmm. By 'another console', what does that mean?
[11:43] <natecull> a virtual console as in alt-F8?
[11:43] <VoX> Ng: ah nevermind, im just a bit thick today
[11:43] <Ng> natecull: yes
[11:44] <vegiVamp> natecull: yes
[11:44] <Ng> vegiVamp: cool, I've only used the Xnest version before to run silly things like E17 ;)
[11:44] <vegiVamp> heh
[11:44] <natecull> okay, that's very cool
[11:44] <akrobat> all: pls tell me command to pack some files with rar in linux
[11:44] <Ng> rar
[11:44] <Ng> ;)
[11:45] <vegiVamp> apt-get install rar; rar :-)
[11:45] <natecull> Hmm. It tells me I'm 'already logged in'
[11:45] <vegiVamp> hmm
[11:45] <vegiVamp> login limit ?
[11:45] <natecull> will that do nasty things if I'm logged in twice as the same user on two different consoles?
[11:45] <vegiVamp> naah
[11:45] <natecull> or is it just being helpful?
[11:45] <Ng> you probably don't want two gnome sessions running
[11:45] <vegiVamp> why not ?
[11:45] <nalioth> natecull: not at all, go right ahead
[11:45] <Ng> isn't that going to seriously confuse things like gconf? ;)
[11:45] <natecull> hmm. A bunch of stuff failed to load
[11:45] <natecull> I guess GNOME isn't designed to be run on two consoles
[11:46] <nalioth> natecull: you can log in as yourself on all 8 consoles if you like
[11:46] <vegiVamp> strange
[11:46] <natecull> wonder if I can log in as a non-gnome session on the other console
[11:47] <vegiVamp> strangely enough, kde is smart enough to use randomized tempfiles for everything
[11:47] <natecull> specifically, my icons were the 'blank notepad page' icon, and none of my Panel applets ran
[11:47] <natecull> but my panel menus were ok
[11:47] <vegiVamp> natecull: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :-p
[11:47] <Ng> natecull: yes, you can, click on "Sessions" on the login screen
[11:47] <vegiVamp> GAAH
[11:47] <Ng> natecull: pick failsafe or somethign
[11:47] <vegiVamp> still haven't got my terminals running
[11:48] <vegiVamp> I can start a root terminal, and from there start other terminals, but I can't start a terminal as user
[11:48] <natecull> yeah, I'm trying it now with failsafe in vt8
[11:48] <vegiVamp> konsole just hangs, some other terminal says there's a problem creating the child procesll...
[11:49] <vegiVamp> rather annoying if you're depending on ssh to administer servers
[11:49] <natecull> excellent. Now I have Privateer in vt8, and Gnome in vt7
[11:49] <Somada141> where do i find the packages for ubuntu?
[11:50] <Ng> natecull: :)
[11:50] <natecull> hee hee. And the music plays in the background while I'm in Gnome.
[11:50] <ompaul> Somada141, name a package
[11:51] <Somada141> i want the greek language pack for example
[11:51] <dazvid> question for people who use gcc: whats the option for including the math.h ?
[11:51] <Somada141> the cd doesn't have full support for it but i don't have a connection back home
[11:51] <nalioth> y'all be good
[11:51] <ompaul> Somada141, apt-cache search gr | less
[11:52] <deFrysk> Somada141, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:52] <lapo> hi
[11:52] <Somada141> ok
[11:52] <ompaul> Somada141, that will get every file with something to do with gr in front of you - very messy so if you have something a little more specific it might be useful apt-cache search openoff | grep gr
[11:53] <Somada141> oh....
[11:54] <deFrysk> Somada141, just use synaptic its an easy to use frontend for packages ;)
[11:54] <Somada141> can i download synaptic in windows and get the packages for home?
[11:54] <Somada141> i don't have internet at home
[11:54] <Ng> Somada141: no, but the packages can be downloaded by hand from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:55] <Somada141> thanks
[11:57] <aftertaf> vegiVamp:  kde pwns, that's why :)
[11:57] <vegiVamp> seems the pty devices in /dev have lost their o=rw permissions
[11:57] <vegiVamp> grmbl
[11:57] <dazvid> aftertaf, you have an nvidia card yeh?
[11:58] <aftertaf> my word.... how DID you know that?? ;)
[11:58] <aftertaf> yes
[11:58] <dazvid> After installing the nvidia drivers, i still cant update the res to higher than 1024*768
[11:58] <dazvid> did you have this problem?
[11:58] <aftertaf> no, cos my screen wont handle more anyway
[11:58] <aftertaf> :D
[11:59] <dazvid> lmao
[11:59] <dazvid> nm then
[11:59] <dazvid> :(
[12:00] <gin_> to set my root passwd in ubuntu how can i do it ?
[12:00] <hyphenated> gin_: are you sure you want to?
[12:00] <gin_> hyphenated, yes.
[12:01] <gin_> i want install a thing in apt-get and i can't coz i must be root
[12:01] <dazvid> you just type sudo before whatever command
[12:01] <Sav^> sudo apt-get the_thing
[12:01] <bimberi> gin_: sudo apt-get .... (then enter your password)
[12:02] <gin_> oki but how can i set my root pass ?
[12:02] <dazvid> you dont have to
[12:02] <dazvid> just use your user password
[12:02] <hyphenated> gin_: if you use 'sudo' instead, you just use your own password
[12:03] <gin_> yes, ty. i know now that, so i want set my root pass
[12:03] <bimberi> gin_: sudo passwd (if you must :) )
[12:03] <bimberi> gin_: as you can probably tell, there is some resistance to the idea :)
[12:03] <gin_> ty bimberi
[12:04] <bimberi> gin_: yvw :)
[12:04] <gin_> bimberi, :)
[12:04] <gin_> looks like very cute ubuntu
[12:04] <gin_> i should say more cute than debian
[12:05] <zcat[1] > AAAARGHH!!!!!! The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only.
[12:05] <zcat[1] > You are not allowed to edit this page.
[12:05] <zcat[1] > I just typed up a MASSIVE howto.!! Not I've lost it!!
[12:05] <Naruto666> ubuntu is a good lonux
[12:05] <zcat[1] > stupid wiki
[12:05] <Naruto666> i download many linux but ubuntu is a bad one
[12:06] <nalioth_zZz> zcat[1] : backspace
[12:06] <stonehead> NO
[12:06] <zcat[1] > I did. Same error.
[12:06] <stonehead> if you press backspace, you might lose your input altogether
[12:07] <zcat[1] > My last hour's typing is gone
[12:07] <stonehead> try forward and ^R then
[12:07] <zcat[1] > tried
[12:07] <stonehead> zcat: why didn't you type in a real editor?
[12:07] <zcat[1] > It's gone
[12:08] <zcat[1] > 'cos the WLUG wiki NEVER does this kind of crap to me!
[12:08] <djib> ompaul: I'm back ^^
[12:09] <aftertaf> zcat[1] :  argh indeed!!!!!!
[12:09] <zcat[1] > stuff it, I'll retype it in a real editor. Then I'll post it to a real wiki :-P
[12:10] <Lordkel> Hello
[12:10] <djib> hey Lordkel
[12:11] <Lordkel> I'm new here so please be nice!
[12:11] <vegiVamp> ah
[12:11] <vegiVamp> grmbl
[12:11] <djib> we wil ^^
[12:11] <vegiVamp> doesn't mount devpts
[12:11] <Lordkel> virgin linux user
[12:11] <djib> oh ;)
[12:11] <vegiVamp> I suppose I'll have to manually modify the initscripts to fix that
[12:11] <hyphenated> Lordkel: most linux users are ;-)
[12:11] <Lordkel> got one of the ubuntu cd's and just running the live cd to see what it is like
[12:12] <Pnilz> does the ubuntu live cd has support for ntfs drives?
[12:12] <bimberi> lol @ hyphenated
[12:12] <Lordkel> appears to
[12:12] <zcat[1] > read support, yes
[12:12] <djib> you won't be disappointed Lordkel
[12:12] <sanketmedhi> hello
[12:12] <djib> or maybe only by the fact that from a live cd it's pretty slow
[12:12] <Lordkel> the only thing I have not got working is the wireless network card
[12:12] <zcat[1] > do NOT mount any NTFS drives R/W unless you set up captive drivers
[12:12] <Pnilz> yeah sorry but i tried to mount one but it would'nt mount =/
[12:13] <Pnilz> no it will only be used for R
[12:13] <topyli> Lordkel: you probably never will, on the live cd
[12:13] <Lordkel> I've heard lot's of good stuff about it so thought I'd try it on a spare pc
[12:13] <zcat[1] > should have no trouble reading NTFS partitions
[12:13] <Pnilz> hmm =/
[12:14] <ndlovu> anyone know why I can get ssh working in a terminal but not using nautilus?
[12:14] <Pnilz> well seems like i have to try once more, bbl
[12:14] <Lordkel> djib: I'm impressed so far
[12:14] <sanketmedhi> i installed Ubuntu 5.04 from the CDs i received from Ship It! I used the auto updater which updated the kernel to 2.6.10. But I guess the latest kernel is 2.6.12-1447. How do i update my kernel using apt-get to the latest version?
[12:14] <ndlovu> (I'm trying to connect to a remote server using ssh)
[12:14] <vegiVamp> ndlovu: afaik, nauplius (or konqueror, for that) doesn't support passphrases
[12:14] <topyli> hrmm. evolution on breezy still won't work with imap
[12:14] <zcat[1] > bah, I'm gonna retype my OldWorldPPC howto tomorrow. I am so fscked off now!
[12:14] <vegiVamp> ndlovu: use ssh-agent and try again
[12:14] <djib> Lordkel: good then
[12:15] <djib> Lordkel: I have to say that wireless is not very good on linux yet
[12:15] <hansder> i put the breezy badger cd into my cdrom..since then ubuntu wants to update to breezy badger and wants me to insert that cd...how can i stop this update message?
[12:15] <zcat[1] > sanketmedhi: is there anything you sp[ecifically NEED the 2.6.12 kernel for?
[12:15] <djib> I mean once it works, it works forever
[12:15] <djib> but before...
[12:15] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, hoary uses 2.6.10 not 2.6.12
[12:15] <Lordkel> just trying to get it to work is the problem....
[12:15] <aftertaf> hansder:  check your etc.sources.list
[12:16] <Lordkel> but hopefully will sort it out when I install this properly
[12:16] <mindmedic> aftertaf, error 404
[12:16] <sanketmedhi> zcat[1] : nothing specific, but i got a system message tht i should upgrade it to the latest version (i dont remember when)
[12:16] <topyli> sanketmedhi: you'll get 2.6.12 when you upgrade to breezy
[12:16] <zcat[1] > 2.6.10 is the latest version :)
[12:16] <djib> Lordkel: so you were a Win user ?
[12:16] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: So isnt the 2.6.12 kernel supported in Hoary?
[12:17] <Lordkel> still am on the main pc... play quite a few games
[12:17] <sanketmedhi> topyli: what's breezy? A newer version of Ubuntu?
[12:17] <djib> oh yes
[12:17] <djib> what games ?
[12:17] <topyli> sanketmedhi: the next version, due in a few weeks
[12:17] <zcat[1] > breezy is alpha.. wait a month!!
[12:17] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, if needed for security reasons the kernel wil be patched and updated
[12:17] <sanketmedhi> ok
[12:17] <Lordkel> BF2, Half Life, FarCry
[12:17] <fblade> how can i get the beta of it?
[12:17] <Lordkel> and a few others
[12:17] <Terk> Hi all
[12:17] <gizza> sttttttt
[12:17] <fblade> of breezey i meaan!
[12:18] <aftertaf> mindmedic:  typo :( illwill, not iwill !!!!!!!  grrr
[12:18] <Terk> Maybe somebody can help me?
[12:18] <bimberi> Lordkel: You can check on support for your wireless card at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[12:18] <topyli> fblade: you can freely break your hoary box by upgrading
[12:18] <Lordkel> cool, thanks for that
[12:18] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: ok, so shall i stick to the current version and let the auto updater / apt-get let decide when the kernel is to be upgraded?
[12:18] <Terk> I have a problem with drawing windows in ubuntu (gnome)
[12:18] <Terk> it's very slow
[12:18] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, wise decision :)
[12:19] <bimberi> Lordkel: yvw :)
[12:19] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: Thanks!
[12:19] <Terk> when a move or resize a window it shows some ghosting...
[12:19] <liraz> is it possible for me to select the sound device in gnome sound recorder(because I want to record from my bluetooth headset)
[12:19] <Terk> a = I
[12:19] <Lordkel> yvw??
[12:19] <topyli> fblade: modify sources.list and dist-upgrade. but breezy is not quite there yet
[12:19] <bimberi> Lordkel: you're very welcome :)
[12:19] <Lordkel> thanks...
[12:19] <sanketmedhi> one more thing...is there any link which explains the various releases of Ubuntu such as Hoary, Hedgehog, Breezy, etc. ?
[12:19] <stonehead> it is wise to actually *try* to use latex on ubuntu?
[12:19] <stonehead> it isn't even in the wiki
[12:20] <Terk> anyone..
[12:20] <Lordkel> new to the shortened english as well, sorry
[12:20] <pitti> stonehead: why not?
[12:20] <djib> I have to go, sorry
[12:20] <pitti> stonehead: I do that, it's the same as in Debian
[12:20] <stonehead> pitti: I miss fonts that i have on debian
[12:20] <pitti> stonehead: please file a bug then
[12:20] <bimberi> Lordkel: so was i about 2 months ago
[12:20] <Lordkel> must say that even on an older p3 1gig this is running o.k from the live cd
[12:21] <bimberi> Lordkel: how much memory?
[12:21] <hansder> aftertaf, thx it worked
[12:21] <Lordkel> 256 meg (32 megshared for video card on board
[12:21] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: one more thing...is there any link which explains the various releases of Ubuntu such as Hoary, Hedgehog, Breezy, etc. ?
[12:21] <topyli> stonehead: latex works just fine, and you can apt-get all the same fonts
[12:21] <Somada141> when you get a package do you need to get all the packages it depends on?
[12:21] <bimberi> Lordkel: that will run a regular install of ubuntu fine
[12:22] <aftertaf> Somada141:  yep, that is the nature of dependances....
[12:22] <Terk> can somebody please help?
[12:22] <aftertaf> Somada141:  but some may be installed already
[12:22] <Lordkel> thought so...... Windows runs a bit slow on this one at the moment...(xp that is)
[12:22] <zcat[1] > Somada141: apt or synaptic or kynaptic takes care of that for you
[12:22] <stonehead> topyli: hm, then I don't understand why palatino.sty is not generated
[12:22] <bimberi> Lordkel: i have it running quite nicely on a Celeron 466 (with 384Mb tho)
[12:22] <Somada141> yeah but i haven't a connection at home so i'l have to get the packages manually
[12:23] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=releases&titlesearch=Titles
[12:23] <aftertaf> Solol:  even without a connection you can use them to see what you have installed and what you dont
[12:23] <topyli> stonehead: it's not? must be a bug
[12:23] <aftertaf> Solol:  sorry..
[12:23] <Terk> why is redrawing of my windows so slow? (Shows some ghosting when moving or resizing)
[12:23] <aftertaf> Somada141 i meant
[12:23] <Somada141> true? aren't they already installed with ubuntu by default?
[12:23] <Lordkel> I have thought of trying to obtain a couple of older boxes to run as firewall and even a server just for the fun of it to see how it all works
[12:23] <aftertaf> depends wat
[12:23] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: thanks again! :D
[12:24] <aftertaf> Lordkel:  fun & headaches.... but v. gratifying
[12:24] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, yw ;)
[12:24] <zcat[1] > without a connection, apt will still tell you what depends on what..
[12:24] <topyli> stonehead: i have palatino.sty here. this is a breezy box though
[12:24] <bimberi> Lordkel: have a look at IPCop for the firewall
[12:24] <Lordkel> new stuff is always a headache to start with but once you get the hang of it I'm told it's a piece of cake
[12:24] <zcat[1] > "older machine" indeed!!
[12:25] <stonehead> topyli: hm. I run hoary
[12:25] <aftertaf> pIII 450 laptop and happy
[12:25] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: on wiki.ubuntu.com, they say that Hoary is the most stable Ubuntu distro...so do i need to upgrade to Breezy when it is released...what difference will it make?
[12:25] <aftertaf> 256 mg shared for gfx
[12:26] <Lordkel> bimberi: will do, also I've been informed of smoothwall as an option too
[12:26] <topyli> stonehead: have you tried regenerating the fonts with texconfig? you might have found a bug
[12:26] <zcat[1] > Was running on a P500 lappy for a while, it was quite fast enough there. The celeron seems slower :(
[12:26] <aftertaf> oops forgot to go eat, its late :) later________
[12:26] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, breezy is filled with the latest stable packages like kernel 2.6.12 , gnome 2.12 ect
[12:27] <bimberi> Lordkel: yes it is - looks like you're doing some good research :)
[12:27] <topyli> sanketmedhi: breezy will be the stable distribution once it's released
[12:27] <zcat[1] > What comes after breezy?
[12:28] <topyli> sanketmedhi: you misunderstand "stable" i'd say
[12:28] <Lordkel> yeah, been looking at all the stuff on whirlpool.net.au and there is heaps of good info from lots of people
[12:28] <deFrysk> zcat[1] , strormy
[12:28] <frans-th> anyone know smurfix?
[12:28] <zcat[1] > strormy?!!
[12:28] <deFrysk> frans-th, I know obleix
[12:28] <deFrysk> obelix*
[12:28] <stonehead> topyli: I'll try
[12:28] <zcat[1] > who names these things?!!
[12:28] <topyli> sanketmedhi: stable means "un-changing", unstable means "development" (not "constantly crashing")
[12:29] <sanketmedhi> so does it mean that I have to install a completely new system or just perform a small update
[12:29] <frans-th> defrysk: i need to chat with matthias about loco team... can help?
[12:29] <frans-th> mathias = smurfix right
[12:29] <zcat[1] > LARGE update..
[12:29] <Lordkel> Well thankyou all for the info and kind words, I'm off to explore the new land of linux....
[12:30] <sanketmedhi> topyli: so does it mean that I have to install a completely new system or just perform a small update
[12:30] <deFrysk> frans-th, loco team ?
[12:30] <zcat[1] > sanketmedhi: change sources and perform a LARGE update I think..
[12:30] <sanketmedhi> zcat[1] : and what bout the packages already installed...they remain intact right?
[12:30] <topyli> sanketmedhi: to upgrade, you don't have to reinstall, but the upgrade is huge, almost all packages will be updated
[12:31] <sanketmedhi> oh
[12:31] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, after stable release of breezy its fairly safe upgrading it using an updated sources.list
[12:31] <sanketmedhi> so why doesnt Hoary have support for Kernel 2.6.12? For security purposes?
[12:31] <zcat[1] > You can update using the breezy CD when it comes out I think.. save some downloading
[12:32] <zcat[1] > 'cos there's no point in changing everything just to have the most recent thing..
[12:32] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, a stable release has a "frozen" status meaning no packages wil come in
[12:32] <deFrysk> new packages that is
[12:32] <Terk> why is redrawing of my windows so slow? (Shows some ghosting when moving or resizing)
[12:33] <zcat[1] > that's why it's 'stable' -- things like the kernel version don't change..
[12:33] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, although the packages wil be updated with the latest security patches if needed
[12:33] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk: its nice if its for security purposes
[12:33] <sanketmedhi> I am starting  to like Ubuntu! :D
[12:34] <zcat[1] > it's for stability. Going to a later kernel is likely to break some things.
[12:34] <sanketmedhi> hmmm
[12:34] <zcat[1] > EG (from the windows world) SP2 broke most cd burning software..
[12:34] <fluvvell> can anyone rescue me from HAL ?
[12:35] <topyli> sanketmedhi: we get a brand new stable release every six months, so our software is never very old :)
[12:35] <fluvvell> uboto: what is HAL?
[12:35] <zcat[1] > Hardware Obfuscation Layer
[12:35] <sanketmedhi> topyli: hehe
[12:36] <fluvvell>  I guess you mean Abstraction
[12:36] <zcat[1] > Yeah, whatever :)
[12:36] <sanketmedhi> zcat[1] : please share if you have more info on HAL :D
[12:36] <fluvvell> but what does pivot_root have to do with it?>
[12:36] <topyli> sanketmedhi: if i really really want the latest version of something, i simply backport it from unstable debian sources or ubuntu development version sources
[12:36] <sanketmedhi> lol @ Obfuscation!
[12:36] <sanketmedhi> topyli: umm, backport?
[12:37] <zcat[1] > argh at using debian sources with ubuntu!
[12:37] <topyli> sanketmedhi: grab debian unstable sources, build a binary package on your system. it's just a couple of commands
[12:37] <topyli> sanketmedhi: the need arises perhaps once or twice in a year or a lifetime
[12:37] <fluvvell> zcat[1] : any clues about pivot_root?  On bootup, this system says it doesn't exist
[12:38] <sanketmedhi> topyli: is using 'alien' recommended?
[12:38] <topyli> sanketmedhi: not unless you truly have no other option
[12:38] <zcat[1] > fluvvell: in relation to what?
[12:39] <Somada141> how do i install those packages later?
[12:39] <VoX> anyone know what packages this is refering to? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltheora_pic
[12:39] <fluvvell> zcat[1] : i get a dialog box once logged in wiht Error, failed to initialise HAL!
[12:39] <sanketmedhi> topyli: but which RPMs do we download?
[12:40] <zcat[1] > I don't know enough about HAL or pivot-root. I didn't even think they were particularly related..
[12:41] <fluvvell> perhaps they aren't, I'd be interested if anyone knows what pivot_root does, but I guess I need to figure why the other dialog box comes up too
[12:41] <sanketmedhi> topyli: do we get RPMs for Ubuntu somewhere? And if we dont use RPMs, why is there an RPM command at all?
[12:42] <ppd> hello. what should I do when I get hda: dma_intr: status=0xd0 { Busy } while booting and then have no dma enabled when logging in?
[12:42] <bimberi> Somada141: once you have it/them on your ubuntu box you can install using "sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb"
[12:42] <ndlovu> anyone know how to specify filenames with spaces using scp from the commandline?
[12:42] <ppd> ndlovu: with that ''
[12:42] <bimberi> ndlovu: try escaping them with a \ - like\ this\ for\ example
[12:43] <fluvvell> ndlovu: dont think you can, even with quotes.  have tried on several occasions.  Escaping doesnt work
[12:43] <zcat[1] > My suggestion is use proper ubuntu packages only.. if you must depart from the official supported packages, don't be half-arsed about it. Go all the way to building from source.
[12:43] <ndlovu> I've tried "filenames with spaces" and 'filenames with spaces' and filenames\ with\ spaces. none of them work
[12:43] <fluvvell> ndlovu: try tar zcvf filename.tgz files  the files you want to scp first
[12:43] <ppd> ndlovu: and with a "tab" after that?
[12:44] <ndlovu> ppd: what do you mean with a "tab"?
[12:44] <ppd> press tab
[12:44] <fluvvell> they send a whole lot easier inside a tarball
[12:44] <ndlovu> fulvvell: long way round but would work at a push
[12:44] <topyli> sanketmedhi: we don't use rpms. we have debian .deb packages
[12:45] <topyli> sanketmedhi: rpm is there for compatibility, but it's rarely needed
[12:45] <fluvvell> ndlovu: just transferred 5Gb of data that way, works much faster too
[12:45] <sanketmedhi> topyli: ok
[12:45] <ndlovu> fluvvell: so you would login using ssh, tar the files and then transfer using scp?
[12:46] <fluvvell> ndlovu: yep
[12:46] <zcat[1] > expecially for large numbers of small files, scp has a lot of overhead per file. putting them in an archive (or using rsync through an ssh tunnel) is much faster
[12:46] <sanketmedhi> topyli: is there any major difference between the Redhat 'yum' and 'apt-get' ?
[12:46] <topyli> sanketmedhi: also, we almost never download any software, just install with "apt-get someprogram" and apt will fetch and install everything
[12:46] <ppd> so. does nobody know something to try with that dma problem?
[12:46] <topyli> sanketmedhi: apt-get is basically the equivalent of yum. dpkg is like rpm
[12:46] <fluvvell> how does that tunnel work, zcat?
[12:47] <sanketmedhi> topyli: does apt-get update its list only when i use 'apt-get update' ?
[12:47] <fluvvell> I've used rsync, but only with ftp or http servers...
[12:47] <zcat[1] > rsync can use a number of network transports. Just apt-get install rsync at both ends and use it the same as ssh
[12:47] <topyli> sanketmedhi: yes
[12:48] <bimberi> another way to use sync via a ssh tunnel is using "unison" (and doesn't require a server process)
[12:48] <zcat[1] > err same as scp I mean
[12:48] <ndlovu> if anyone's interested, I've just figured out how to scp with spaces...
[12:48] <ndlovu> you have to use quotes AND escapes
[12:48] <fluvvell> ndlovu: with wildcards?
[12:48] <ndlovu> so 'files\ with\ spaces' works
[12:49] <HiddenFly> how can i make ubuntu to automatically mount my usb stick whenever it is plugged in?
[12:49] <talios> hey zcat[1] 
[12:49] <zcat[1] > "rsync localfiles target.host:" works for me
[12:49] <zcat[1] > and that's ubuntu to debian..
[12:49] <Gorgonzola> HiddenFly, mine worked automatically
[12:49] <zcat[1] > Mine (mp3 player and camera) both just worked..
[12:49] <HiddenFly> well, i didnt see anything to happen when i just plugged in mine
[12:50] <zcat[1] > surprised the hell out of me, it took some setting up with redhat and debian last time I did an install
[12:50] <hyphenated> HiddenFly: you should get a pretty icon on your desktop, and clicking it should mount it
[12:50] <HiddenFly> no icons on the desktop :/
[12:51] <sanketmedhi> topyli: which music player do u use on Ubuntu. I use Amarok on FC4/Gnome, but I dont want to install the KDE library packages just for that. Is there a better player than Rhythmbox and Mplayer??
[12:51] <HiddenFly> it has a light, it goes on and off 2 times and nothing happens
[12:52] <HiddenFly> i tried it on several ports, same on every one
[12:52] <HiddenFly> my usb mouse works tho, so its not the ports
[12:52] <topyli> sanketmedhi: i usually use rhythmbox. muine is very cool as well
[12:52] <Ng> HiddenFly: how long are you leaving it? it can take a few seconds even on a fast machine
[12:52] <VoX> anyone know what packages this is refering to? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltheora_pic
[12:52] <ubuntu> bfbr
[12:53] <volvoguy> anybody know why my mouse might have stopped working on my Hoary machine? no changes were made, the proper modules are loaded and my xorg.conf file is good. the silly thing just won't move since i rebooted.
[12:53] <Ng> HiddenFly: you can do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" in a terminal to see the system messages produced by plugging it in
[12:53] <HiddenFly> k
[12:53] <HiddenFly> i think i waited about 15s atlesat
[12:54] <Ng> that ought to be long enough. try the log tailing then, you should see it print out some information about the device and then where/what it's mounting
[12:54] <HiddenFly> last line there is "ubuntu kernel: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT"
[12:55] <Ng> that's ok, did it say it created a device node just before that?
[12:55] <fluvvell> hey, I just checked my usbkey,it gets noticed but no pretty icon!!
[12:55] <penticlex> Can any one help with an SSH problem and xserver? triing to start x from a remote location. its just not working w/ anything I try. I have ubuntu on my system and my server is redhat
[12:55] <HiddenFly> yea it did, "creating device node '/dev/sda1'"
[12:56] <penticlex> I am SSHing from ubuntu to redhat
[12:56] <Ng> penticlex: what are you trying?
[12:56] <fluvvell> penticlex use   ssh -X hostname.net
[12:56] <HiddenFly> i went to /dev/ and tried to open sda1 but it couldnt open it
[12:56] <penticlex> didnt work
[12:56] <Ng> HiddenFly: ok, that's being set up ok then, check your gnome preferences for the Removable Drives options and check you have it set to mount removable media
[12:56] <fluvvell> penticlex: its all about x forwarding...
[12:56] <penticlex> xserver just wont start
[12:56] <HiddenFly> k
[12:57] <Ng> penticlex: what are you trying to run?
[12:57] <penticlex> startx
[12:57] <Ng> no :)
[12:57] <hyphenated> HiddenFly: once /dev/sda1 exists, you mount it with something like 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 $HOME/usbkey'
[12:57] <Ng> you don't want to do that
[12:57] <Ng> penticlex: run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[12:57] <sluggerdom> penticlex : start x YEA :-)
[12:57] <Ng> that'll start X on the ubuntu machine
[12:57] <sluggerdom> speaking of which what is happening with Xorg in ubuntu breezy ?
[12:57] <Ng> sluggerdom: in what sense?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> sluggerdom: it's getting better
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[12:58] <sluggerdom> Ng : seems to be pretty broken, mines not starting atm
[12:58] <sluggerdom> says it can't find the fon't path
[12:58] <sluggerdom> but thats nothing new with xorg
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> yeah known issue
[12:58] <HiddenFly> it automounted it to /media/usbdisk but it didnt tell me or put anything to desktop lol
[12:58] <sluggerdom> just trying to work out what cuused the issue
[12:58] <sluggerdom> ?
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> iirc
[12:58] <Ng> sluggerdom: well, use hoary then :)
[12:58] <HiddenFly> thx for help
[12:58] <sluggerdom> Ng : but that would not be fun now would it :)
[12:59] <Ng> and way less hassle :)
[12:59] <fluvvell> hyphenated: shouldnt it mount automatically?
[12:59] <sluggerdom> Ng : pfffffft whats using linux if something does not break on every update:-)
[01:00] <dreameen> hi folks
[01:00] <Ng> sluggerdom: I've been using it for long enough that I don't want it to break anymore, I want it to work perfectly every time and not be my problem ;)
[01:00] <apokryphos> hi there
[01:00] <dreameen> tell me
[01:01] <dreameen> i installed ubuntu without swap partition
[01:01] <sluggerdom> Ng  : yea I know what you mean. esp in ubuntu things move through pretty quick to testing
[01:01] <HiddenFly> how can i make it to automatically mount /dev/hda0 on every boot?
[01:01] <sluggerdom> much better than debian
[01:01] <dreameen> is it allright?
[01:01] <zcat[1] > hda0 ?
[01:01] <HiddenFly> yea the first partition on the first hdd
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> hda1
[01:01] <zcat[1] > add a line in /etc/fstab
[01:01] <Ng> sluggerdom: yep :)
[01:01] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: put it in fstab
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> not hda0
[01:01] <Sav^> Anyone with a Acer TravelMate 8101WKMi and a helping hand? =)
[01:01] <HiddenFly> k
[01:01] <sluggerdom> anyone have pointers for a good place to look for this xorg issue ? or is it toally stuffed ?
[01:02] <HiddenFly> well thought it starts from the 0 :)
[01:02] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: what type of partition is it?
[01:02] <HiddenFly> fat32
[01:02] <volvoguy> dreameen, you really need to have a swap partition.
[01:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell HiddenFly about windowsdrives
[01:02] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: that'll do it automatically for you
[01:02] <HiddenFly> thx
[01:03] <dreameen> volvoguy, yea il make one, but is the installation ok if i dont have one atm?
[01:03] <volvoguy> dreameen, maybe very temporarily. just don't run out of RAM. :)
[01:03] <DewDude> dreameen: no, you really NEED a swap partition
[01:03] <zcat[1] > dreameen: you can make a swapfile later if you didn't leave space for a partition.. and you don't strictly 'need' one, you just might run out of ram and have programs crash badly..
[01:04] <dreameen> zcat[1] , how do i make a swapfile>?
[01:05] <zcat[1] > dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=$[ 1024 * 1024 ]  count=$megs && mkswap /swapfile
[01:05] <aftertaf> on my home pc, hoary with 512mb ram, 1Gb swap... i note swap file usage at only 3mb..... i always have around 50% ram free... Should i reduce swap file size?
[01:05] <dreameen> cheers thanks
[01:05] <zcat[1] > then add a line for it in /etc/fstab
[01:05] <zcat[1] > and 'swapon' to bring it to life
[01:05] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell zcat[1]  about swap
[01:06] <dreameen> dd: invalid number `'
[01:06] <dreameen> uhm\
[01:06] <zcat[1] > change $megs to a number (500, 1000 etc) of megs you want..
[01:07] <knelix> Hello
[01:07] <dreameen> ok\
[01:07] <DewDude> this sucks
[01:07] <DewDude> i cant play with my kubuntu box anymore
[01:07] <knelix> Why?
[01:07] <aftertaf> DewDude:  :/
[01:07] <DewDude> the keyboard for my imac is dead
[01:07] <DewDude> and don't say "go get another"
[01:07] <DewDude> cuz i'm flat broke
[01:07] <aftertaf> erf
[01:07] <dazvid> Go steal another then!
[01:07] <dazvid> ehem...
[01:08] <aftertaf> lol
[01:08] <DewDude> i don't steal
[01:08] <DewDude> i mean
[01:08] <apokryphos> DewDude: just state your problem
[01:08] <zcat[1] > well that's your problem then.. never to late to start stealing!
[01:08] <DewDude> heh
[01:08] <dazvid> lmao zcat[1] 
[01:08] <knelix> lol!
[01:08] <DewDude> i just want the usb keyboard to start workin again
[01:08] <apokryphos> DewDude: why isn't it working? When did it stop?
[01:09] <penticlex> testing w/ gaim
[01:09] <apokryphos> DewDude: and, does it only not work with ubuntu?
[01:09] <DewDude> it died yesterday
[01:09] <volvoguy> DewDude, you can get a 3rd party Mac keyboard for a LOT less than Apple's keyboard.
[01:09] <DewDude> i know
[01:09] <DewDude> i like the mac keyboard tho
[01:09] <DewDude> it's quiet
[01:09] <zcat[1] > he probably spilled his Dew in it..
[01:09] <DewDude> no
[01:09] <DewDude> i spilt nothing in it
[01:09] <penticlex> wholly crap it finaly worked
[01:09] <aftertaf> wholly crap? not just partly?
[01:09] <DewDude> when i got home....the keys were sending double values
[01:09] <DewDude> like, if i hit l it'd send lk
[01:10] <DewDude> becuase i couldn't log into ubuntu at all
[01:10] <knelix> I am burning a copy of kubunto PPC to try on my eMac.
[01:10] <DewDude> and if you held the key down, it'd send a different value together
[01:10] <dazvid> could make a fat joke right there, but I will refrain
[01:10] <DewDude> like, holding l would make f
[01:11] <zcat[1] > divorak?
[01:11] <knelix> Hey anyone here use the ShipIt system recently?
[01:11] <DewDude> no
[01:11] <GNULinuxer> dvorak
[01:11] <DewDude> because if you hit the l or k key once
[01:11] <DewDude> it'd put lk
[01:11] <zcat[1] > thers nofin wrong wif my speling!
[01:11] <DewDude> if you held it, it'd go lklkfffffffff
[01:11] <knelix> I've always wondered... how do you pronounce that.. dvorak?
[01:11] <DewDude> duh-vor-ak
[01:12] <knelix> hmm. Always how I've pronounced... though there was another way.
[01:12] <topyli> knelix: i pronounce it "oh no one of those weird keyboards again"
[01:12] <knelix> hehe... come on now.. it is a better layout... we all now the dominant thing is not always the best....
[01:12] <knelix> *know
[01:13] <DewDude> yup
[01:13] <DewDude> dvorak is nice
[01:13] <DewDude> i just never learned it
[01:13] <penticlex> ok it worked bu can I have a whole xsession  running through SSH???
[01:13] <knelix> It is.
[01:13] <topyli> knelix: it's probably a perfectly good layout. it's just i'm used to qwerty
[01:13] <knelix> Oh, me too, topyli
[01:14] <knelix> So, anyone used the ShipIt system recently?
[01:14] <knelix> I've tried to order... and it's no use.
[01:15] <volvoguy> penticlex, i usually use freenx for viewing the whole desktop remotely. it's in the hoary-extras repository .
[01:15] <knelix> I think the database is either offline or hasn't been updated with the main site database.
[01:15] <zcat[1] > penticlex: yes, just run plain X locally and launch your usual window manager on the remote host..
[01:15] <DewDude> i don't believe it
[01:15] <DewDude> it
[01:15] <DewDude> it works!
[01:15] <knelix> There you go, DewDude... Congrats!
[01:15] <DewDude> didn't work in the PC...worked in the imac tho
[01:15] <volvoguy> knelix, i'm still waiting for my Hoary cd's from ShipIt.
[01:15] <DewDude> now i'm wondering if it'll pick up the USB mouse
[01:16] <knelix> Yes, but I can't even order.
[01:16] <fluvvell> HrdwrBob: do you have any major ideas about HAL, I have a hal.hotplug[pid]  DEVPATH is not set    coming up in my logs...
[01:16] <knelix> It says my e-Mail is not in the database, yet I can log in to the main site just fine.
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> hrmthat sounds odd
[01:16] <topyli> breezy menus show things like "rhythmbox music player" again, instead of just "music player"
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> could be that hal config is broken
[01:17] <fluvvell> HrdwrBoB: well, I've had to restore from tarball...
[01:17] <HiddenFly> tell me a good graphical linux ftp client
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> HiddenFly: nautilus || gftp
[01:17] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: for GTK, gftp.
[01:17] <dreameen> gftp
[01:17] <HiddenFly> k
[01:17] <pussfeller> konqueror
[01:17] <HiddenFly> thx
[01:18] <fluvvell> HrdwrBoB: where can I check the config, Im getting a gnome error about HAL upon logging in
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> not sure, check /etc
[01:18] <dazvid> fluvvell, I was getting that, it was to do with one of my USB devices
[01:18] <Sav^> Anyone with a Acer TravelMate 8101WLMi and a helping hand? =)
[01:19] <dreameen> riiight, so ie created the swapfile...how do >add a line for  it in fstab?:}
[01:20] <fluvvell> dazvid: do tell?
[01:21] <dazvid> fluvvell, I just unplugged the webcam and it worked fine
[01:21] <dazvid> probably should just update the drivers
[01:21] <DewDude> whoops
[01:21] <dazvid> but havent been bothered to do it yet
[01:21] <fluvvell> dazvid: no webcam
[01:21] <DewDude> no
[01:21] <DewDude> it's screwed
[01:21] <dazvid> just a USB device
[01:21] <dazvid> doesnt have to be a webcam :P
[01:21] <knelix> Anyone here use a small form factor/XPC computer with Ubunto?
[01:21] <Muhammad> Hello
[01:21] <Muhammad> Friends
[01:21] <dazvid> What devices do you have plugged in using USB ?
[01:21] <Muhammad> I am a new ubuntu user
[01:22] <dazvid> hi Muhammad
[01:22] <fluvvell> HrdwrBob: should /etc/hal/device.d/40-hal-hotplug-map.hal be a binary file??
[01:22] <Muhammad> got cd yesterday
[01:22] <Muhammad> can I know how to install windows program on ubuntu
[01:22] <DewDude> yeah
[01:22] <DewDude> my keyboard is fscked
[01:22] <DewDude> i got shift and alt keys permemently locked on now
[01:22] <dazvid> ;/
[01:23] <Muhammad> anybody know how can i install windows programs on linux ?
[01:23] <DewDude> it WAS working
[01:23] <topyli> Muhammad: not very easily. what programs do you mean exactly?
[01:23] <reiki> Muhammad, why would you install windows programs in linux?  You *could* use wine for this ... sudo apt-get install wine
[01:23] <pussfeller> Muhammad: windows programs dont normally work on linux with a few exceptions
[01:23] <pussfeller> but if you are a noob, its probablly beyond your scope at this point
[01:23] <knelix> I'm loading a live Kubunto CD on my iBook now..
[01:23] <penticlex> only 64 bit ver for freenix is for SUSE
[01:23] <penticlex> alien to the rescue
[01:23] <reiki> Muhammad, it would be better to find a linux program that does what the windows program does
[01:24] <pussfeller> Muhammad: what program or task are tou trying to run
[01:24] <pussfeller> you
[01:24] <Muhammad> Macromedia Programs
[01:24] <Muhammad> Adobe Programs
[01:24] <knelix> toughies.
[01:25] <pussfeller> Muhammad: some of the photoshop and fireworks stuff actually will run, with some tweaking
[01:25] <topyli> Muhammad: adobe stuff can mostly be replaced with native linux programs
[01:25] <penticlex> crosover office for adobe
[01:25] <dreameen> can someone show me his/her fstab entry for swap?
[01:25] <Muhammad> I hope wine will help me with it ?
[01:25] <pussfeller> yeah you might try gimp or scribus for image manipulation or desktop publishing
[01:25] <penticlex> and others
[01:26] <DewDude> well
[01:26] <dazvid> dreameen, /dev/hdb5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:26] <Pnilz> when i try to mount my ntfs drive i get this error "mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/hdb busy" and i know i have not mounted it
[01:26] <DewDude> my ctrl key is now permemently locked n
[01:26] <DewDude> on
[01:26] <Muhammad> Gimp isint the quality i need !!
[01:26] <DewDude> muhammad? why isn't it
[01:26] <DewDude> i've found gimp to be the same quality is photoshop
[01:26] <pussfeller> then google for wine and photoshop.....
[01:26] <dreameen> ok
[01:26] <delmonico> where would be the correct startup script to load a module and chmod it? there is no rc.local in ubuntu
[01:26] <Muhammad> Cause I have to create professional banners
[01:26] <Muhammad> and Templates
[01:26] <DewDude> photoshop under wine is a hassle
[01:26] <DewDude> so?
[01:26] <DewDude> use Gimp
[01:26] <DewDude> you'd be surprised
[01:26] <reiki> Gimp is pretty powerful. You might want to give it a better look
[01:27] <pussfeller> yeah, for something like that, gimp will work fine
[01:27] <Muhammad> Hmm
[01:27] <pussfeller> if you are doing super professional stuff maybe no, but then, you wouldnt be asking in the first place
[01:27] <knelix> You know, I was surprised that there is a PPC version of Ubunto.
[01:27] <Muhammad> How can i change the look of gimp so it may look like adobe... because i am preety much with adobe
[01:28] <pussfeller> you cant, without hacking the source code :)
[01:28] <DewDude> knelix: it runs quite well
[01:28] <reiki> Muhammad, I also come from Windows and Photoshop. I've started learning the Gimp. It does everything I need and more. You just have to learn a new way. For banners, this should be easy in Gimp. A little different than photoshop...different buttons to push... tools in a different place... but still easy
[01:28] <BurgerMann> Muhammad, Shifting from adobe to Gimp is a challenge, it's takes patience. I can only advise to you give it a shot, then it won't let you down
[01:29] <knelix> Yes, it does. Slower to boot than Mac OS X, but runs well.
[01:29] <DewDude> the new gimp i believe has a more photoshop look-n-feel
[01:29] <Muhammad> hmm
[01:29] <DewDude> i just..i can't use mine anymore
[01:29] <Muhammad> what about macromedia products
[01:29] <Muhammad> ?
[01:29] <pussfeller> the main problem with the gimp is the lack of real documentation, maybe they have fixed that, added real tutorials, etc
[01:29] <DewDude> cuz the apple keyboard has a stuck ctrl key now
[01:29] <DewDude> Muhammad: no macromedia
[01:29] <DewDude> maybe with WINE, but, i doubt it
[01:30] <pussfeller> i think fireworks will work with some windows dlls
[01:30] <Muhammad> May i know does wine supports all the products ?
[01:30] <BurgerMann> pussfeller, heh yeh.. and layer sets. I really miss those
[01:30] <reiki> Muhammad, which Macromedia product? There are several. :)
[01:30] <Muhammad> Capitative - Dreamweaver !
[01:31] <knelix> Damn, Kubunto is taking its sweet time to load on my iBook....
[01:32] <Muhammad> it's capitative and dreamweaver !
[01:32] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: $ apt-cache search gimp | grep grokking
[01:32] <thoreauputic> grokking-the-gimp - GIMP tutorial book by Carey Bunks (HTML)
[01:32] <reiki> grokking the Gimp is a good book AND it's online as well
[01:32] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: lots of documentation in that :)
[01:32] <larsrohdin> hey, is the chat working again now?
[01:32] <Seveas> larsrohdin, yeah
[01:32] <thoreauputic> reiki: and apt gettable
[01:32] <larsrohdin> nice
[01:32] <reiki> indeed
[01:32] <pussfeller> this is what i used ->> http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=graphics
[01:33] <Seveas> the spambots are gone :)
[01:33] <BurgerMann> Muhammad, hm. I don't think there is an alternative to dreamweaver. However linux wasn't made to follow the footsteps of windows apps. As a rule of thumb you can always find some kind of alternative for a windows prog
[01:33] <pussfeller> thoreauputic: have you ever read, grokking the gimp :)
[01:33] <Juhaz> they are?
[01:33] <larsrohdin> what was the problem, was someone spamming it or what was it?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: not the whole thing - but parts were useful to me
[01:33] <pussfeller> its not what i had in mind as good documentation
[01:33] <reiki> ack... gotta put a lunch together and get out of here to go to work. You guys have fun! :)
[01:34] <BurgerMann> Muhammad, Many linux apps are made by developers mostly for developers, you just might find something more suitable for your needs than dreamweaver
[01:34] <Muhammad> burgermann : maybe I would see wine .. IF the wine works
[01:34] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: what did you have in mind?
[01:34] <knelix> Hey, Stickies for KDE... I mean KNotes...
[01:34] <pussfeller> something more tutorial centered i guess
[01:34] <pussfeller> like, how to stick brittany spears face on georges bushes body using the gimp
[01:34] <topyli> Muhammad: go to codeweavers.com and see what apps they support with their commercial wine version
[01:35] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: hahah
[01:35] <topyli> Muhammad: but if you absolutely need windows tools, i recommend windows
[01:35] <pussfeller> Muhammad: that link i posted will show you how to do it, at least in part
[01:35] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: or vice versa :)
[01:35] <larsrohdin> i have a problem, when i use emacs in X i can use swedish characters without problem, but if i ctrl+alt+F1 and try there it won't work... how come?
[01:35] <Muhammad> topyli :d .. I dont want to buy :d
[01:35] <DewDude> well, since iTux is DIW right now
[01:35] <DewDude> i'm goin back to sleep, cuz i caught some kind of bug
[01:35] <pussfeller> how to get rid of red in in your digital photos using the gimp
[01:36] <DewDude> hrmm..that is a good question
[01:36] <DewDude> paint over the red with black
[01:36] <apokryphos> There was a recent good digikam article on that
[01:36] <DewDude> but you change the brush method
[01:36] <topyli> Muhammad: you have photoshop and dreamweaver, that must be about $2000 worth of software
[01:36] <pussfeller> i just think the gimp could get more use if they documented it more noobie friendly
[01:36] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: a better solution is to use a flash that's away from the lens axis
[01:36] <apokryphos> Actually, it was just in the latest TUX article.
[01:37] <knelix> I must say, the default KDE theme looks nicer than the default Ubunto Gnome theme.
[01:37] <Muhammad> Yes , approximately !
[01:37] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: redeye is a direct reflection from the retina
[01:37] <pussfeller> so using the flash on the cam is the problem
[01:37] <HiddenFly> i should install a program from .run file, any tips?
[01:37] <apokryphos> pussfeller: yes
[01:37] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: yup
[01:37] <topyli> Muhammad: i'm suggesting you spend $30 to be able to run that software
[01:38] <Muhammad> Hmm
[01:38] <Muhammad> Alright ..
[01:38] <thoreauputic> pussfeller: direct flash is horrible anyway
[01:38] <Muhammad> I can easily sell my adobe and all licenses to my friend :d
[01:38] <Muhammad> but i think first i will try gimp
[01:38] <pussfeller> people in the future will wonder why the people of the 21 century had red eyes sometimes and speculate as to why
[01:38] <Muhammad> and if it dosent work
[01:38] <beezly> when i try to suspend under breezy on amd64, it doesn't work - logs show an error message... "acpi_pm_prepare does not support 3
[01:38] <beezly> "
[01:39] <beezly> anyone got a clue?
[01:39] <sml12> Could anyone please help ..... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62610
[01:39] <sml12> this has now happened twice with my breezy install!  :(
[01:39] <Muhammad> I will sell up my license
[01:39] <gin_> someone know a good repositore for ubuntu apt
[01:39] <apokryphos> !sources
[01:39] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:39] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:39] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:40] <pussfeller> i had photoshop 6 i think working fine
[01:40] <apokryphos> lala la
[01:40] <pussfeller> and dreamweaver
[01:40] <Muhammad> pussfeller i hope .. cs2 works
[01:40] <vu> Will an ubuntu install over FC4 screw up the boot loader? I need to dual boot the current FC4 and install ubuntu on /dev/hdb?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: chalk up another one for apokryphos :)
[01:40] <dabaR> sml12: do you have synaptic open to get the first error"
[01:40] <HiddenFly> how can i install a program from .run file?
[01:41] <pussfeller> evidently disney uses photoshop to run win in their animation farms
[01:41] <apokryphos> HiddenFly: cd /directory/ && ./{somename}.run
[01:41] <pussfeller> HiddenFly: sh program.run?
[01:41] <sml12> dabaR: well I was using synaptic - but i also closed synaptic and just used apt-get
[01:41] <HiddenFly> ill try those
[01:41] <Muhammad> anybody know why my mouse wasnt detected by ubuntu ?
[01:41] <sml12> dabaR: the app using the file was frontend? whatever that is?
[01:41] <Muhammad> It took 1 whole day to get da solution by myself :s
[01:41] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: Ubuntu prefers hamsters?
[01:41] <Muhammad> but it was a nice experienced :D
[01:42] <Muhammad> experience*
[01:42] <aftertaf> sml12:  you are on breezy?
[01:42] <Muhammad> what are hamsters ?
[01:42] <sml12> aftertaf: hi again! :)   still a problem !!
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: small rodents without tails ;-)
[01:42] <sml12> aftertaf: yes
[01:42] <Muhammad> haha nice :d
[01:43] <aftertaf> ubuntu gnome or kde?
[01:43] <pussfeller> Muhammad: linux doesnt have teh advantages of direct hardware support and they have to hack the drivers, and sometimes the scripts to detect all that stuff and autoconfigure it dont always work compeletly
[01:43] <HiddenFly> thx now its started uncompressing it :)
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: it was a lame joke....
[01:43] <sml12> aftertaf: it was a build from a week or two ago - now trying to update to the latest files
[01:43] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:43] <Muhammad> yep :d
[01:43] <sml12> aftertaf: just burnt my copy of kubuntu daily iso ... about to bail on ubuntu :)  one last try for help
[01:43] <apokryphos> and I know *that* hurt. ;-)
[01:43] <bimberi> thoreauputic: VMS s'il vous plait :)
[01:44] <thoreauputic> !lart bimberi
[01:44] <bimberi> ouch :)
[01:44] <pussfeller> sml12: kubuntu is built on ubuntu... you can apt-get install it without burning an iso
[01:44] <Muhammad> any one professional with ubuntu who will help me with my journey in linux .. please add me to msn : president@webdtalk.com and AIM : webdtalk
[01:44] <thoreauputic> bimberi: what have you got against hamsters anyway ? *grin*
[01:44] <apokryphos> Muhammad: check out the wiki, it's good for starting out.
[01:44] <Muhammad> I know i will have a big journey with ubuntu
[01:45] <topyli> pussfeller: sometimes the device support is not that bad. what i do know is hardware tends to come with 5 cd's or windows drivers, on linux the stuff just works
[01:45] <Muhammad> yep , already read but it wasnt intrested :S
[01:45] <pussfeller> i always knew i would make this journey, i did not know when until today
[01:45] <bimberi> thoreauputic: nothing at all.  It's about lame jokes.  Don't you try and turn it around you.
[01:45] <apokryphos> Muhammad: not interested in learning? Then, sure, it's not for you. :)
[01:45] <thoreauputic> bimberi: awww :'(
[01:45] <sml12> pussfeller: unfortunately my apt-get has now broken twice with breezy :(  not sure why
[01:46] <Muhammad> nah ... i said the wiki wasnt intresting** .. i got bored :s
[01:46] <sml12> pussfuller: any chance you could take a quick look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62610
[01:46] <apokryphos> sml12: breezy is unstable
[01:46] <Muhammad> I like chat support
[01:46] <larsrohdin> when i use emacs in X i can use swedish characters without problem, but if i ctrl+alt+F1 and try there it won't work... how come?
[01:46] <pussfeller> topyli: thats not so true, its getting better tho, its gotten alot better
[01:46] <apokryphos> Muhammad: what do you think this is? :)
[01:46] <apokryphos> snap out of it!
[01:46] <aftertaf> sml12:  you should maybe go with hoary
[01:46] <pussfeller> sml12: then maybe you should start over with a fresh, up to date iso :)
[01:46] <sml12> apokryphos: yes .. but has everyone else had apt-get problems? should I submit a big report?
[01:46] <apokryphos> probably n ot
[01:46] <apokryphos> s/n ot/not
[01:47] <topyli> pussfeller: in my experience, almost nothing works on windows without installing drivers separately. nobody complains about that
[01:47] <aftertaf> a little one should be ok...
[01:47] <sml12> pussfeller: downloaded the latest kubuntu build so I will give that run i think
[01:47] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:47] <Muhammad> will my hp printer supported ?
[01:47] <Muhammad> by ubuntu
[01:47] <bimberi> Muhammad: possibly, what model?
[01:47] <topyli> Muhammad: i can't see it clearly
[01:47] <pussfeller> topyli: yeah, but the drivers come with the hardware, and in linux, if its not autodetected by the distros scripts, you can have alot of fun on your hands compiling and etc
[01:48] <Muhammad> hp deskjet 3550
[01:48] <aftertaf> oh dear...... a 3550?
[01:48] <Muhammad> yeah
[01:48] <Muhammad> i know :d
[01:48] <topyli> Muhammad: search for it on linuxprinting.org
[01:48] <Muhammad> thanks again topyli :D
[01:48] <pussfeller> like my logitech elite wasnt detected and I had to mess with the keyboard layout, and it still dont completly work, and i have to map many of the keys myself
[01:48] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: as a dangerous generalisation, HP printers are generally well supported
[01:49] <sml12> ok here guys kubuntu :) back later :) ciao
[01:49] <pussfeller> and had to manually edit my xorg.conf to get tv-out working with my nvidia
[01:49] <apokryphos> Au revoir
[01:49] <dreameen> wow, i have strange(blurred) fonts after installing ati fglrx driver..
[01:49] <Muhammad> pussfeller : same happened with me with mouse ..
[01:49] <pussfeller> hp released drivers
[01:49] <bimberi> Muhammad: just checked, there are drivers for the Deskjet 3550 with a hoary install
[01:49] <pussfeller> but i had to do far less editing than with gentoo and slack :)
[01:50] <Muhammad> :D
[01:50] <Muhammad> :d
[01:50] <Muhammad> :d
[01:50] <pussfeller> hpijs
[01:50] <Muhammad> yahoo for bimberi !! :d
[01:50] <knelix> Do both Gnome and KDE have the same level of sophistication graphics wise... I mean in the look of themes and animations...?
[01:50] <dreameen> any ati owners here?
[01:50] <pussfeller> thats kinda a personal preference there knelix
[01:50] <apokryphos> knelix: you'd have to expand on what you mean
[01:51] <thoreauputic> knelix: thi is the stuff of traditional disagreements
[01:51] <pussfeller> gnome people ussually think kde looks horrible, and VV
[01:51] <topyli> knelix: yes, but they look completely different
[01:51] <Muhammad> I like default ubuntu theme :D
[01:52] <knelix> Well, KDE looks more sophisticated to me graphics wise (no insult intended!) But this may just mean the particular theme I'm using.
[01:52] <carey_oshea> lockd statd and mountd all fail to run for me... here is the error "Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send; errno = Invalid argument"
[01:52] <pussfeller> gnome changed some things a few years ago and it hasnt really gone over very well and so KDE got a bit of a burst
[01:52] <apokryphos> knelix: "more sophisticated" is far too vague a statement.
[01:52] <carey_oshea> portmap is running
[01:52] <carey_oshea> but i don't think it's working... or maybe something else is causing that error?
[01:53] <White_Shadow> hello
[01:53] <pussfeller> heh
[01:53] <Muhammad> lik
[01:53] <knelix> Ok, like Mac OS X is "more sophisticated" graphics wise than Mac OS 9, or even Windoze.
[01:53] <knelix> It looks nicer...
[01:53] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: note how you capitalised kde there? Closet-kde user I tell you!
[01:53] <White_Shadow> does the x64 distro of ubuntu 5.04 comes with gcc?
[01:53] <topyli> knelix: it looks terrible :)
[01:53] <knelix> haha
[01:53] <apokryphos> White_Shadow: it's on the cd, yes.
[01:53] <thoreauputic> knelix: you are in a hole and still digging *grin*
[01:54] <knelix> lol....
[01:54] <twibbler> puts his little comment in ... wa about enlightenment over gnome and KDE ...
[01:54] <Muhammad> tell me one thing : if ubuntu new version is released .. will i be able to get the update cd ?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: FLUXBOX
[01:54] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:54] <White_Shadow> how can I install it?
[01:54] <apokryphos> twibbler: enlightenment is more lightweight, and just a window manager.
[01:54] <knelix> Ok, then... please tell me the main pros and cons of Gnome and KDE.
[01:54] <topyli> twibbler: e17 looks cool but is an usability disaster. i used to like e16 though
[01:54] <twibbler> totally agree .... but worth getting a second opinion ...
[01:55] <White_Shadow> apokryphos: how can I install it? (gcc)
[01:55] <knelix> Apps have to be recompiled to use one or the other?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> White_Shadow: install build-essential
[01:55] <bimberi> White_Shadow: install the "build-essential" package
[01:55] <pussfeller> no, you can have gtk and kde apps running side by side
[01:55] <apokryphos> White_Shadow: edit your /etc/apt/soruces.list and make sure the CD repository is uncommented
[01:55] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  move up, and save me some popcorn... I'll bring the maltesers
[01:56] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: :D
[01:56] <pussfeller> you can have both desktop environments and boot up into which ever one you want
[01:56] <aftertaf> loool bimberi :)
[01:57] <bimberi> LOL!
[01:57] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:57] <sanketmedhi> Guys, isnt there a KUbuntu Ship It or something? :P
[01:57] <knelix> pussfeller: Yes, but I cannot say, run the same version of Frefox in both environments, right?
[01:57] <topyli> i don't want to outprice my tickets :)
[01:57] <thoreauputic> bimberi: matinee veteran here ;)
[01:57] <tommi^> Hi. Is it possible to assign names to flows/arrows in grahpviz/neato? Thanks :)
[01:57] <topyli> knelix: sure you can
[01:57] <pussfeller> knelix: you can, its not like they are mutually exclusive in any way
[01:58] <pussfeller> firefox under kde is still firefox
[01:58] <topyli> knelix: you can use kde's konqueror browser on gnome just as well
[01:58] <pussfeller> altho, kde will have konqueror as its default browser
[01:58] <Muhammad> where can i get new themes for ubuntu ?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !themes
[01:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[01:58] <White_Shadow> apokryphos: thanks
[01:58] <pussfeller> and for some reason konqy will open everything in temp files making you very angry
[01:58] <knelix> So they are completely cross-compatible?
[01:58] <apokryphos> knelix: geh, I can't find the link, but, typical criticisms...
[01:58] <Muhammad> thanks ubotu
[01:59] <thoreauputic> !tell Muhammad about ubotu
[01:59] <topyli> knelix: totally, fire up emacs, a few tk apps and maybe some motif stuff as well and you'll have one cool desktop
[01:59] <knelix> I know variety is the spice of life... and important... but why not merge the projects, and let the user choose between looks via a themes control panel?
[01:59] <apokryphos> knelix: "KDE has too many options/features, is cluttered, is blue"; "gnome is too simplistic, lack of applications"
[01:59] <apokryphos> knelix: because they're fundamentally different.
[02:00] <Muhammad> lol thoreauputic .. i know he's a bot but i can thanks him :
[02:00] <Muhammad> :D
[02:00] <apokryphos> the difference isn't superficial
[02:00] <topyli> c vs c++
[02:00] <topyli> usability vs functionality
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: I thought you might like to examine his brain at that URL ;)
[02:00] <knelix> I see.
[02:00] <apokryphos> topyli: which one has the functionality? ;-)
[02:01] <Muhammad> will i be good with linux when I read the whole wiki ?
[02:01] <sanketmedhi> topyli: have u tried KUbuntu?
[02:01] <apokryphos> I think anyone would be hard-pressed to suggest that kde is "non-usability" with the Appeal project.
[02:01] <gin_> morning here, :) 6am
[02:01] <topyli> kde has the most buttons and widgets, creating a mightly illusion of it :)
[02:01] <dazvid> does anyone know if the glibc dev pack is already installed by default?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Muhammad: no, just tired
[02:01] <knelix> I'm not totally unfamiliar with different windowing systems... but it just seems kind of odd, as a Mac user.
[02:01] <gin_> take care guys
[02:01] <gin_> ++
[02:01] <knelix> Bye
[02:01] <topyli> sanketmedhi: no, i haven't really used kde since perhaps 1.2 :)
[02:01] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:01] <apokryphos> topyli: when it's just a command away 8)
[02:02] <knelix> So, Gnome has "lack of apps"... this seems to imply that KDE apps cannot be run natively in Gnome.
[02:02] <apokryphos> eh?
[02:02] <sanketmedhi> topyli: hehe, even i love gnome, i was just curious to know how KDE looks over Ubuntu
[02:02] <apokryphos> of course it can.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> knelix: of course they can
[02:02] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell sanketmedhi about screenshots
[02:03] <sanketmedhi> yes please
[02:03] <Sav^> My wireless card is detected as eth0, is that any good ? =)
[02:03] <pussfeller> just install kde and and mess with it and you can judge for yourselve
[02:03] <setite> hello all... what do you think of freebsd
[02:03] <knelix> I guess I haven't totally "gotten" the differences quite yet.
[02:03] <Muhammad> !tell sanketmedi about screenshots
[02:03] <thoreauputic> knelix: you can run any app you like in any window manager or Desktop Environment
[02:03] <apokryphos> Muhammad: he has already been told. :P
[02:03] <knelix> A graphical app?
[02:03] <apokryphos> of course
[02:03] <thoreauputic> knelix: yes
[02:04] <thoreauputic> knelix: the best way is to try them and see
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[02:04] <knelix> This is what i would like to do
[02:04] <KDE_FanBoy> kde is great
[02:04] <bimberi> !tell Muhammad about tab
[02:04] <thoreauputic> aaaaargh! Another KDE fanboy!
[02:04] <KDE_FanBoy> haha
[02:04] <pussfeller> gnome uses evolution for pim, kde uses kontact, gaim vs kopete, xchat vs konversation, totem vs kaffeine, rythmbox vs amarok, you can pick which one you want to use no matter what desktop you are running
[02:04] <sanketmedhi> there are no screenshots on kubuntu.org
[02:05] <KDE_FanBoy> It Is I KDE_FanBoy..
[02:05] <KDE_FanBoy> mwuhahaha
[02:05] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: go to that link I gave
[02:05] <knelix> Unfortunately, I don't have a test PC, and I don't have the funds for one now... I want a little system, a BioStar IDEQ probably.
[02:05] <pussfeller> like i run kde but use totem to watch movies ussually, cause kaffeine crashes alot
[02:05] <dazvid> does anyone know if the glibc dev pack is already installed by default?
[02:05] <apokryphos> !kaffeineprob
[02:05] <ubotu> well, kaffeineprob is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#probkaffeine
[02:05] <knelix> I only have my eMac and iBook, both of which are essential to me, and I cannot afford to "experiment" on them.
[02:05] <thoreauputic> knelix: try the live CDs
[02:05] <KDE_FanBoy> pussfeller lies you speak.. LIES
[02:06] <apokryphos> pussfeller: there's a fix there.
[02:06] <knelix> What I cam doing...
[02:06] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: which link?
[02:06] <knelix> *What I am doing.
[02:06] <KDE_FanBoy> what is your kaffiene problem... my experiences are the exact opposite
[02:06] <pussfeller> but totem cant figure out how to adjust sub title sizes, so for subbed stuff with seperate srt files, i use kaffeine, see?
[02:06] <KDE_FanBoy> i cant work totem but kaffiene is god...
[02:06] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: the one ubotu gave you. One has Ubuntu and one has Kubuntu screenies
[02:06] <beekay> how can i play mp4 files in music player or xmms
[02:06] <apokryphos> KDE_FanBoy: alright alright; don't troll now ;-)
[02:06] <Muhammad> !tell Muhammad about skins
[02:06] <KDE_FanBoy> im not trolling.... im asking honestly what his problems are
[02:07] <noph> hrm, the partition manager in the installation can't see the partitions on one of my harddrives. but if i fdisk the harddrive i can see my ntfs. but there is like 15 gigs free for linux.
[02:07] <apokryphos> Muhammad: you can speak to ubotu in /msg, by the way.
[02:07] <Muhammad> ok
[02:07] <knelix> Can I easily install both KDE and Gnome for Ubunto on the same drive?
[02:07] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: ubotu didnt give ME any link, can u please send it back
[02:07] <beekay> how can i play mp4 files in music player or xmms
[02:07] <pussfeller> KDE_FanBoy: when you click on an email link in kontact, does knqy open up a temp file, or the webpage itself?
[02:07] <dazvid> noph, linux + ntfs = not possible
[02:07] <dazvid> ntfs is a windows file system
[02:07] <thoreauputic> knelix: yes
[02:07] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=2 and http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/browseimages.php?c=3
[02:07] <knelix> I remember Mandrake had a ton of GUIs to choose from.. well, a few anyway.
[02:08] <noph> dazvid: yeah, that i know. but i have som free unallocated space on the disk.
[02:08] <knelix> But, I never tried running a KDE app on Gnome or visa-versa.
[02:08] <noph> and ubuntu should be able to use that space.
[02:08] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: thanx :D
[02:08] <thoreauputic> knelix: in fact you can have 3 or 4 window managers, or you can install xfce4 etc
[02:08] <noph> but i can't do it, it just wants to erase the disk.
[02:08] <apokryphos> knelix: why not? They run just ifne.
[02:08] <knelix> xfce4
[02:08] <apokryphos> s/ifne/fine/
[02:08] <knelix> ?
[02:08] <dazvid> noph, you will probably have to use the windows CD then
[02:08] <apokryphos> knelix: it's another Desktop Environment
[02:09] <knelix> Ok.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> knelix: another DE (desktop environment)
[02:09] <knelix> I guess I'll look it up later.
[02:09] <noph> dazvid: hrm? why?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> knelix: http://xwinman.org
[02:09] <dazvid> Well what are you trying to do with the unused space?
[02:09] <knelix> Should I dare ask what the best shell is?
[02:09] <knelix> :-P
[02:09] <dazvid> Partition it?
[02:09] <apokryphos> Linux  shell!
[02:09] <bimberi> knelix: nooooo!
[02:09] <thoreauputic> knelix: you mean x-terminals?
[02:09] <noph> dazvid: yeah.
[02:10] <knelix> bash?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ah I see...
[02:10] <knelix> Yeah, terminal shells.
[02:10] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: i had seen these earlier, i wanted to see how the original KUbuntu looks like just after a fresh install, and a few menu screenshots too.
[02:10] <dazvid> noph, ah.. well Im not sure then ;/
[02:10] <apokryphos> knelix: they all have little good things about them.
[02:10] <thoreauputic> knelix: there are wars about this as well of course :)
[02:10] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: ah, ok, one sec.
[02:10] <k0p> I have a problem with DNS. I use a router with dhcp, and when I try connect irc, it resolve dns to 1.0.0.0 :S
[02:10] <knelix> hehe
[02:10] <noph> it seems like the partition manager is buggy.
[02:10] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: stop being so reasonable!
[02:11] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:11] <noph> it can only see the partitions on my SATA-disc.
[02:11] <knelix> Okay.. What's the difference between a window manager and a desktop?
[02:11] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: seriously though; a/eterm are good for being able to be completely transparent (can't beleive konsole/gnome-terminal don't ahve this yet). And xterm is just speeedy. =)
[02:11] <thoreauputic> knelix: a desktop has an underlying wm
[02:11] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: http://www.osdir.com/Article4930.phtml
[02:12] <knelix> ok.
[02:12] <thoreauputic> knelix: a window manager can usually stand on its own - but lacks bells and whistles by comparison with a DE
[02:13] <apokryphos> gnome, kde, xfce are the "big" full-blown DEs, but there are actually more
[02:13] <thoreauputic> knelix: a window manager just *gasp* manages windows
[02:13] <knelix> I see... so a Window Manager is a "Lite" DE, on which DEs are based....
[02:13] <knelix> Like QuickDraw on classic Mac OS?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> knelix: sort of - it's the thing that draws the windows
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know how to write a mode line for xorg?
[02:13] <knelix> ok
[02:14] <thoreauputic> knelix: a DE has extra config utilities etc
[02:14] <apokryphos> GTK has metacity; KDE has Kwin; XFCE has... (/me scratches head)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: xfwm I think
[02:14] <twibbler> Im just curious and please say if this is not the place to ask. but during the chat about desktops . i wondered With linux being all about choice and there being a lot of choice can it evere replace windoze .....
[02:14] <robzon> hello
[02:15] <thoreauputic> twibbler: personally I think it's a non issue
[02:15] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: is that what "gtf" does? (guessing)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> twibbler: and what do you mean by "replace" in this context?
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi: I'll have a look
[02:15] <knelix> I'm thinking choice is great... But all this is way too confusing for the masses, who need ONE standard DE/GUI.
[02:16] <robzon> twibbler: "replace"... I don't think so... but I'm sure it has the potential to take A LOT of desktop market share... it will just co-exist with windows... but I bet it's share will grow
[02:16] <pussfeller> hmm i guess dvdshrink works perect under wine
[02:16] <thoreauputic> knelix: well, they can get linspire, or xandros, or even something like Ubuntu
[02:16] <thoreauputic> knelix: there's no compulsion to use other DEs
[02:17] <pussfeller> i think somewhere, there needs to be more focus and consolidation
[02:17] <twibbler> thoreauputic: I mean with all the applications for windoze, and all the different distros of linux, can it evere come to a common ground ...
[02:17] <thoreauputic> twibbler: common ground ? With windows? I devoutly hope not
[02:17] <twibbler> robzon: that is my thought but we are just swiching all desktops over to ubuntu ....
[02:18] <twibbler> thoreauputic: nope common ground with Linux .... (distros).... to enable easily creating packages ...
[02:18] <pussfeller> twibbler: in a business? what kind
[02:18] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: thanx again!
[02:18] <thoreauputic> twibbler: it's happening already to an extent
[02:18] <nlogax> twibbler: freedesktop.org
[02:18] <thoreauputic> twibbler: see for instance the autopackage project
[02:19] <nlogax> linux will always be somewhat anarchic, like nature
[02:19] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: no worries =)
[02:19] <twibbler> thoreauputic: not heard of that .... but will investigate ..
[02:19] <nlogax> mmmm autopackage \o/
[02:19] <nlogax> twibbler: take a look at freedesktop.org
[02:19] <knelix> Yes, but there need to be distros out there for the public... simple, straightforward. And, as mentioned, there are.
[02:19] <thoreauputic> twibbler: besides - Debian based distros are heading for world domination! *grin*
[02:19] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: any idea why there's been about 5 people recently asking "how to build deb file from tar.gz"
[02:19] <robzon> twibbler: what do you mean by "our"? at some company?
[02:19] <twibbler> nlogax:   looing now thank you ...
[02:20] <nlogax> twibbler: make sure you flush after you
[02:20] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I guess people think it's a simple process, line just an alien, for tar.gz ;-)
[02:20] <robzon> synaptic is a great tool... my friends are amazed at how easy it is to install/upgrade software on linux
[02:20] <twibbler> s/looing/looking/ hehehe
[02:20] <apokryphos> robzon: because of open-source and freeness, package management on Linux is quite superior
[02:20] <twibbler> robzon.. I mean at the company here ... where I work ...
[02:21] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: there is confusion about the difference between source and binary, I agree - but then having the source code is a strength
[02:21] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: will kubuntu - breezy release with ubutu - breezy ?
[02:21] <twibbler> I will say after investigating various distros ubuntu has come out on top with gnome...
[02:21] <apokryphos> yes
[02:21] <nlogax> package management is easy with linux, but if something isn't in the repositories it can be a bit trikier than windows
[02:21] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: though it will have kde 3.4.2 unfortunately.
[02:22] <nlogax> but things like autopackage are changing that
[02:22] <Toba> how can I enable the identd server in ubuntu?
[02:22] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos: and when does KDE 3.5 release?
[02:22] <nlogax> twibbler: that's my conclusion too - I tried SuSE, Fedora, Vector Linux and even Yoper
[02:23] <Seveas> nlogax, autopackage is crud, even checkinstall is better
[02:23] <nlogax> none of them felt as 'together' as Ubuntu
[02:23] <dazvid_> Has anyone tried Gentoo ?
[02:23] <Seveas> dazvid_, yeah, I didn't like it :)
[02:23] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: no date set in stone yet; around late Octoboer, most probably. Of course, Kubuntu will be the first to package it and there will be a repo with it straight away. :)
[02:23] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: probably in backports, actually.
[02:23] <nlogax> Seveas: I've met the developer of autopackage - what's your complaint with it incidentally?  it looked good to me
[02:23] <Seveas> nlogax, the entire design of it is wrong
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i couldnt find any toools to write mode lines in Ubuntu :/
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I think the idea has merit though
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks all
[02:24] <sanketmedhi> apokyphos: the release for breezy is 13th september or october?
[02:24] <apokryphos> October
[02:24] <Seveas> thoreauputic, the idea has, the design not
[02:24] <robzon> I just wish that the unofficial packages were upated more often.. but I know how much work it is
[02:24] <Seveas> robzon, are you refering to specific repositories?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Seveas: fair enough - I'm not qualified to judge that
[02:24] <nlogax> Seveas: can you elaborate on the design issue(s)?
[02:25] <NoHope> hy all
[02:25] <twibbler> nlogas: we have fedora servers .... but just to bulky for desktop ... and I am really interested in the freedesktop.org seems ike they are going well in the right directions ...
[02:25] <apokryphos> hi there
[02:25] <NoHope> s/hy/hi
[02:25] <nlogax> I believe it creates its own package DB the 1st time it is run
[02:25] <Seveas> nlogax, not right now (gotta go in a few minutes), but mako (iirc) has written a piece of text about it that pretty much covers my objections against it too
[02:25] <thoreauputic> NoHope: surely there is *some* hope ? ;-)
[02:25] <nlogax> Seveas ok I'll google 4 it...  ta
[02:26] <NoHope> thoreauputic, just a nick, while there is Ubuntu, there is hope ;-)
[02:26] <thoreauputic> NoHope: indeed :)
[02:26] <codenut> i too am impressed with Ubuntu, it just seems easier to use.
[02:26] <codenut> and less trouble.
[02:27] <codenut> I find I am getting into less trouble as easily with it.
[02:27] <robzon> Seveas: I'm only using the official ubuntu repository (x86_64), and there are some old packages.. well, maybe not that old, just one release behind, but still...
[02:27] <Seveas> nlogax, it was scott actually
[02:27] <Seveas> http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/autopackage.html#comments
[02:27] <Seveas> http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/autopackage_II.html
[02:27] <Seveas> http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/2005081802-autopackage.html
[02:28] <thoreauputic> robzon: heh - I was running Debian Woody on one box here recently - now *that* was "old"
[02:28] <Seveas> robzon, official repositories only get security updates after release...
[02:29] <Seveas> don't hope for gnome2.12 in hoary oslt
[02:29] <robzon> Seveas: oh... that explains a lot :)
[02:29] <Seveas> it's called stability...:)
[02:29] <huami> hi! I updated today to the latest ubuntu breezy and now DRI is not working (but it used to)
[02:30] <huami> in glxgear I get error ERROR: line 114, Function intelInitDriver, File intel_screen.c
[02:30] <thoreauputic> woah
[02:30] <huami> then libGL error: InitDriver failed
[02:30] <huami> and then libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
[02:30] <vine> I am in,wawa
[02:30] <robzon> Seveas: hmm ok... is there some kind of ubuntu-current repository? :)
[02:31] <sanketmedhi> what is going on in here?
[02:31] <sanketmedhi> what is going on in here?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> sanketmedhi: netsplit
[02:31] <sanketmedhi> thoreauputic, what is that?
[02:31] <vine> anyone chinese?
[02:31] <Seveas> that's when 2 servers disconnect
[02:31] <Seveas> vine, #ubuntu-zh
[02:32] <sanketmedhi> 2?
[02:32] <dabaR> Ill have a sweet and sour pork, sure, vine.
[02:32] <KDE_FanBoy> haha splits are fun
[02:32] <vine> ok
[02:32] <vine> 3x
[02:32] <thoreauputic> sanketmedhi: the irc network consists of a number of servers - sometimes they disconnect and reconnect
[02:32] <sanketmedhi> thoreauputic, ohk thanks
[02:32] <Flying-Penguin> HEY GUYS
[02:32] <sanketmedhi> hey
[02:32] <Flying-Penguin> is there a way to reinstall grub boot loader?
[02:32] <sanketmedhi> yes! :P
[02:33] <Flying-Penguin> lets say I diside to reinstall windows... that would overrite grub right? so how would I reinstall grub?
[02:33] <Toba> that is one fuck of netsplit
[02:33] <sanketmedhi> boot from a win bootable disc, enter dos mode, and use 'fdisk /mbr'
[02:33] <sanketmedhi> u can also do it from the recovery console of the win boot cd
[02:34] <Flying-Penguin> sanketmedhi, that would reinstall my windows boot loader
[02:34] <sanketmedhi> then what do u want?
[02:34] <MeneMMateo> @sanketmedhi, would that not DELETE the gurb installation?
[02:34] <moomindaddy> hey er, does anyone have the script i need to run that will auto mount my windows partions please?
[02:34] <MeneMMateo> s/gurd/grub
[02:34] <sanketmedhi> oh REinstall!
[02:34] <pussfeller> yeah he wants to install grub after an windows install, not delete teh mbr
[02:34] <Flying-Penguin> sanketmedhi, on my windows harddrive I am going to reinstall windows... that would override my grub right?
[02:34] <sanketmedhi> yeah right!
[02:35] <sanketmedhi> what i would do is boot from the install cd and reinstall grub
[02:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[02:35] <ubotu> [mountwindows]  Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[02:35] <Flying-Penguin> moomindaddy, I have it somewhere... I think, it is also somewhere on the ubuntu website, just not sure if there is a link
[02:35] <Flying-Penguin> W00T thats where it is
[02:35] <thoreauputic> Flying-Penguin: moomindaddy see ubotu above
[02:35] <moomindaddy> aye sorted
[02:35] <moomindaddy> and btw, how long had the ubuntu guide been down for?
[02:35] <moomindaddy> i cant seem to ever get onto it
[02:36] <Flying-Penguin> ok... so sanketmedhi the ubuntu cd can install grub only?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> moomindaddy: use the wiki
[02:36] <thoreauputic> !tell moomindaddy about docs
[02:36] <sanketmedhi> Flying-Penguin, yes if u wish to
[02:36] <Flying-Penguin> sanketmedhi, is that hard?
[02:36] <Flying-Penguin> or is it* hard?
[02:37] <sanketmedhi> Flying-Penguin, jump directly to install boot loader ioption
[02:37] <robzon> so is there something like ubuntu-current repository..?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> !backports
[02:37] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:37] <sanketmedhi> Flying-Penguin, hard?  i dont think so
[02:37] <thoreauputic> robzon: but be careful with backports
[02:38] <thoreauputic> robzon: I usually comment them out after getting what I want
[02:38] <sanketmedhi> moomindaddy, ubuntuguide is not down
[02:38] <Flying-Penguin> OK I am going to shut down and do it... I am going to install windows
[02:38] <sanketmedhi> ok besto of luck! :D
[02:38] <Flying-Penguin> ok!
[02:38] <robzon> thoreauputic: ok thanks.. I only want a few pacakges so I'll probably do the same :)
[02:38] <Flying-Penguin> w00t new 200 gb hard drive alowing me to use my 80gb for windows here I come!
[02:39] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, the link u gave, why is it so complex? Mounting windoze partitions is not a big deal...is it because of the mac partitions?
[02:39] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, sanketmedhi
[02:40] <dazvid_> lol @ penguins leaving message
[02:40] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, lost you?
[02:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, sanketmedhi
[02:40] <KDE_FanBoy> why you talking to a bot man
[02:40] <aftertaf> sanketmedhi:  tis a bot, methinks ;)
[02:40] <KDE_FanBoy> sanketmedhi - its a bot
[02:40] <thoreauputic> sanketmedhi: seveas wrote the script
[02:40] <dazvid_> lmfao
[02:40] <nlogax> seveas: nice one mate
[02:40] <nlogax> didn't realise you'd wrote it
[02:41] <sanketmedhi> ubotu is a bot? :O
[02:41] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Wish i knew
[02:41] <thoreauputic> nlogax: he's gone :)
[02:41] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: u*bot*u -- yes.
[02:41] <thoreauputic> !tell sanketmedhi about ubotu
[02:41] <aftertaf> !bot
[02:41] <ubotu> I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to aftertaf? I think not. Bot, shot, chicken... rhyming sucks.
[02:41] <KDE_FanBoy> yes sanketmedhi
[02:41] <aftertaf> :)
[02:41] <vine> Someone tell me the chinese unbuntu server
[02:41] <nlogax> thoreauputic: nice nick by the way (assuming you're named for Henry David)
[02:41] <apokryphos> hehe, great new factoid.
[02:41] <sanketmedhi> lol! seveas, nice one dude!
[02:41] <dazvid_> Who wrote ubotu ?? its really funny..
[02:41] <apokryphos> He's a blootbot
[02:41] <apokryphos> anyone can contribute to him
[02:42] <KDE_FanBoy> ubotu your sexy
[02:42] <ubotu> KDE_FanBoy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:42] <dazvid_> awesome
[02:42] <sanketmedhi> can i have the script? :P
[02:42] <thoreauputic> nlogax: I am indeed - althoughthere are some lays on words involved (not just the obvious one)
[02:42] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: for...?
[02:42] <sanketmedhi> using it to play pranks on friends! :P
[02:42] <thoreauputic> s/lays/plays
[02:42] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: blootbot is in repository
[02:42] <sanketmedhi> which one?
[02:42] <apokryphos> !info blootbot
[02:42] <aftertaf> !info blootbot
[02:42] <thoreauputic> !info blootbot
[02:42] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB
[02:42] <thoreauputic> hahah
[02:42] <aftertaf> :)
[02:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: looks like I'm winning today :P
[02:43] <nlogax> thoreauputic: the other plays are lost  on me I'm afraid...  I'm reading Walden right now as it happens
[02:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes indeed
[02:43] <sanketmedhi> hehe
[02:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: though, [13:43]  <ubotu> Someone already said that 0 seconds ago
[02:43] <thoreauputic> nlogax: ah - in my case think of Civil Disobedience
[02:43] <sanketmedhi> !info blootbot
[02:43] <ubotu> blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-5.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 936 kB
[02:43] <sanketmedhi> nice!
[02:43] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: he's in Universe, as you can see.
[02:44] <sanketmedhi> yup
[02:44] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ubotu Someone already said that 1 seconds ago  <-- you win
[02:44] <apokryphos> heh
[02:44] <nlogax> thoreauputic /me is still clueless - give me a clue mate
[02:44] <thoreauputic> nlogax: nah
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:45] <marsu> Does anyone know how to daemonize Eterm?
[02:45] <apokryphos> looks pretty evil as it is
[02:45] <KDE_FanBoy> !tell nlogax about a clue
[02:45] <moomindaddy> anyone use xmms? if so where is the skins dir?
[02:46] <sanketmedhi> hey how do i save this conversation?
[02:46] <KDE_FanBoy> yea i agree with apokryphos
[02:46] <nlogax> thoreauputic you can't have a revolution if proles like me can't understand your jokes
[02:46] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: you can log it. Check the settings or something, if you're using xchat
[02:46] <thoreauputic> nlogax: I considered changing my nick, but it's how I'm known now around here (everyone knows to leave when they see me)
[02:46] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: I think it's probably done by default.
[02:46] <thoreauputic> *g*
[02:46] <KDE_FanBoy> ok linux burnout... night all
[02:46] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, ok lemme check
[02:47] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, it wasnt on for default, i did it now. will it save This conv now?
[02:47] <marsu> moomidaddy $/.xmms/Skins/
[02:47] <nlogax> thoreauputic = therapeutic was the obvious play, right?
[02:47] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: probably, yes.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> a KDE fanboy with Linux burnout - that must be a first
[02:47] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, ok
[02:48] <thoreauputic> nlogax: of course
[02:48] <nlogax> infuriating... I'm  a cryptic crossword fan tho not good at t them
[02:48] <thoreauputic> nlogax: make of the rest what you will
[02:48] <moomindaddy> says er
[02:48] <moomindaddy> no such file or dir o_O
[02:48] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: find out where the logs are stored then you can check for sure
[02:49] <moomindaddy> ah got it
[02:49] <sanketmedhi> ok
[02:49] <marsu> it's hidden
[02:49] <sanketmedhi> I wish there was a bot like this one for Gaim! :P
[02:49] <sanketmedhi> oh btw, is there one?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> !start an IRC client war
[02:50] <ubotu> xchat is better than b-x !
[02:50] <sanketmedhi> lol
[02:50] <thoreauputic> oh rats, that's not the best one
[02:50] <nlogax> IRSSI!
[02:50] <sanketmedhi> xchat rocks!
[02:50] <thoreauputic> telnet!
[02:51] <marsu> No one using Eterm?
[02:51] <nlogax> thoreauputic trumps us all I'm afraid
[02:51] <larsrohdin> does anyone know a good webpage where I can download mplayer skins? I search all over and i cant find anything...
[02:51] <dazvid_> The mplayer site has _some_ good ones
[02:51] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: there's one on the mplayer site
[02:51] <larsrohdin> mplayer.org?
[02:52] <sanketmedhi> is there an 'yum mplayer-skins'
[02:52] <dazvid_> no
[02:52] <dazvid_> its
[02:52] <dazvid_> mplayerhq.com
[02:52] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: no mplayerhq something
[02:52] <dazvid_> er
[02:52] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:52] <dazvid_> not .com
[02:52] <thoreauputic> org?
[02:52] <sanketmedhi> i mean an 'apt-get mplayer-skins' like in yum?
[02:52] <dazvid_> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html
[02:52] <larsrohdin> ok thanks
[02:52] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: nope
[02:52] <moomindaddy> its not possible to have transparent windows in ubuntu yet is it? (well as standard?)
[02:52] <sanketmedhi> ummm ok
[02:53] <sanketmedhi> moomindaddy, its possible via nvidia drivers
[02:53] <apokryphos> there probably should be. Several other distros have it.
[02:53] <moomindaddy> ah ok, well thats out for me :) (inbuilt graphics sadly)
[02:53] <sanketmedhi> moomindaddy, which gfx card do u have?
[02:54] <moomindaddy> intel 8xx something
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> hey MAJOR prbolem!
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> juz installed hoary
[02:54] <moomindaddy> inbuilt dell basic shite hehe
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> net works while pinging and on irc. . but in firefox or gaim, operation timed out.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: is it just me or has the level of behaviour improved around her?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> heh s/her/here
[02:55] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: it has! I haven't even been able to flex my muscles yet. ;-)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: same here
[02:55] <dabaR> da_bon_bon: firewall? router?
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: i have an adsl router connected to eth0
[02:55] <dabaR> firewall?
[02:56] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: maybe they don't need us 8). I am going away tomorrow though, for a week; holiday. :)
[02:56] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, give a try to 'lynx' or other text-based browser
[02:57] <dazvid_> thoreauputic, you are my god now, make me some cookies please?
[02:57] <robzon> will ubuntu 5.10 have Qt4?
[02:57] <dazvid_> aww :(
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: cant .. dotn have it installed ..
[02:57] <thoreauputic> dazvid_: bad luck
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> *dont
[02:57] <thoreauputic> <evil grin>
[02:57] <thoreauputic> oooh
[02:57] <dazvid_> have to be quicker next time I guess :(
[02:57] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, where are u from? india?
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: yes :) and you too.
[02:57] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, yes sir
[02:57] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:58] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: weird; why does it do that?
[02:58] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: ahh, that might be one of the things about level 10
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> hey .. i am desperate .. net works fine in other distros / windows
[02:58] <dabaR> da_bon_bon: so, then, do you have a firewall?
[02:58] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, what connection do u have
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: i dont know .. how can i check ? i just installed ubuntu
[02:58] <dabaR> you did not install one, right?
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: mtnl adsl
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: i dunno.. sorry .. new to ubuntu
[02:59] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, do they give u a DNS address?
[02:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you'll get rejected though if you try to give 'em
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> yes, sanketmedhi
[02:59] <thoreauputic> OK that'll do now I guess
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: but seeing that its a dhcp ..
[02:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: sure
[02:59] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, and have u entered it in ur eth0?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yeah, chanserv to get ops
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: no, its dhcp
[02:59] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: eh?
[02:59] <dabaR> da_bon_bon: thats fine. Can you ping www.google.com or just IP addresses?
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: yes..
[03:00] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, so u dont have a static address?
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> no, sanketmedhi
[03:00] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, i thot mtnl gives one
[03:00] <tommi^> Hi. If I want to just an external hd (usb) in windows too, are there any other choices than to partition it as ntfs?
[03:00] <dabaR> da_bon_bon: open a browser.
[03:00] <ubuntu> netwerk
[03:00] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, anyways, try after entering the DNS
[03:00] <White_Shadow> how can I acess the windows partition on ubuntu?
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: ok.
[03:01] <dabaR> go to www.ubuntu.com and tell us whether that loads.
[03:01] <Gobbla> White_Shadow, google..
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: firfox is open
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> ok trying
[03:01] <White_Shadow> Gobbla: is it that hard?
[03:02] <sanketmedhi> White_Shadow, 'mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/dirname' will mount D:
[03:02] <White_Shadow> Gobbla: on mandrake it was fairly easy
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> no, da
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> no, dabaR
[03:02] <Gobbla> white, no it isnt
[03:02] <albacker> White_Shadow, sudo mkdir /mnt/win; mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/win                         << replace X with your windows hda !! (might be hda1. .. 2..)
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> i put in the dns too
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> cant connect gaim
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> strange that xchat is fine
[03:02] <twibbler> Now here is a nice ? how do you create an ubuntu boot cd for a sun workstation .....
[03:02] <sanketmedhi> did u reconnect?
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> as is ping from terminal
[03:02] <sanketmedhi> oh lol
[03:02] <White_Shadow> sanketmedhi and albacker, thanks!
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: lol for ?
[03:02] <sanketmedhi> White_Shadow, ur welcome
[03:02] <albacker> White_Shadow,  no problem !
[03:02] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, ur using xchat! :P
[03:03] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, and Firefox doesnt work! So lol @ ur problem
[03:03] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, anyways...di u reconnect?
[03:04] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, it wont work if u dont reconnect
[03:04] <dabaR> da_bon_bon: go clear out your cache in your browser, and reset all settings.
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> brb
[03:05] <White_Shadow> how can I set GRUB to select the WIndows boot by default?
[03:06] <sanketmedhi> White_Shadow, go to http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:06] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[03:06] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[03:06] <Auriacan> hello
[03:06] <sanketmedhi> lol!
[03:06] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, u rock!
[03:06] <ubotu> Not a clue, sanketmedhi
[03:06] <deFrysk> White_Shadow, default = ) needs to be changed
[03:06] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you know, I can't believe the ubuguide guy refused to put a "how to install kde" part (which I suggested months ago). :/
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: for first install... ? i can ping www.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, i think default is for every entry
[03:07] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: Apparently he doesn't want to co-operate any more - maybe the flames got to him
[03:07] <deFrysk> White_Shadow, defoult =0 is first entry on top , default=1 for sec entry  on top , ect
[03:07] <selinium> Hi all, i have come to the limit on my hd I have attached a new 120gb to it, I can mount it and all that, how do I use it so that It uses the new drive ot store stuff. If that makes sense?
[03:08] <White_Shadow> so, I must remove all the "defaults" and leave only the windows one?
[03:08] <selinium> hi thoreauputic
[03:08] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: people on the forum quite love/recommend it, though, apparently.
[03:08] <deFrysk> White_Shadow, no
[03:08] <thoreauputic> hi selinium :)
[03:08] <selinium> hi apokryphos!
[03:08] <apokryphos> hi there =)
[03:08] <Auriacan> I was wondering if anyone could help me with some ACPI problems
[03:08] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, i know
[03:08] <White_Shadow> oh, ok
[03:08] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: It has its points for sure
[03:08] <White_Shadow> thanks deFrysk!
[03:08] <deFrysk> White_Shadow, I believe windowsentry is third so set default=2 instead of default=0
[03:09] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: sure
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> dabaR: even gaim doesnt work...
[03:09] <unvs> any release date for breezy rc1?
[03:09] <apokryphos> !breezyschedule
[03:09] <ubotu> breezyschedule is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[03:10] <unvs> thanks
[03:10] <apokryphos> Preview out in two days
[03:10] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, did u disconnect and reconnect?
[03:11] <dazvid_> im having trouble with my Audigy 2, I have searched the forums, and the help there didnt help me... basically im getting no sound
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> oh. ok
[03:11] <dazvid_> suggestions other than throwing my computer of a tall building?
[03:11] <sanketmedhi> umm, how do i set a secondary ip for eth0 in ubuntu?
[03:11] <dazvid_> of = off
[03:11] <mhogberg> I have drag the gnome panel to the left border of the screen and now I can't move it. Any suggestions on how to get back the defaults?
[03:11] <cajetanus2> What preview is out in two days?
[03:12] <sanketmedhi> breezy
[03:12] <selinium> Is it possible to move the home directory to another drive?
[03:12] <dooglus> selinium: yes.
[03:12] <rohan> sanketmedhi: didnt work] 
[03:12] <apokryphos> selinium: yes. Just change the mount point in fstab
[03:12] <sanketmedhi> welcome back, rohan
[03:12] <sanketmedhi> rohan, ummm...
[03:13] <sanketmedhi> rohan, how do u dial in windoze?
[03:13] <onkarshinde> Are Ubuntu developers expecting a OO.o 2.0 release before Breezy release? I see OO.o 2.0 beta in Breezy Colony 4.
[03:13] <apokryphos> selinium: what i recommend doing is... temporarily put all contents of /home into / ; mount the new /home partition, then place everything in there.
[03:13] <cajetanus> What is Breezy??
[03:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell cajetanus about breezy
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> onkarshinde: i think so
[03:13] <sanketmedhi> rohan, is there a special dialer or just the windoze dialer?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> cajetanus: Breezy is Ubuntu unstable
[03:14] <sanketmedhi> ubotu is sleeping! :P
[03:14] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: No idea
[03:14] <selinium> cheers apokryphos dooglus :)
[03:14] <sanketmedhi> oh sorry to wake u up, ubotu!
[03:14] <rohan> ok workd
[03:14] <cajetanus> Ah. thanks
[03:14] <cajetanus> What is new_
[03:14] <onkarshinde> !breezy
[03:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[03:14] <sanketmedhi> rohan, what worked?
[03:14] <rohan> sanketmedhi: no dialer at all
[03:14] <osfameron> My Firefox/Thunderbird integration is broken, it's been suggested that's a ubuntu config thing, anyone heard of that?
[03:14] <onkarshinde> rohan: From India?
[03:15] <sanketmedhi> onkarshinde, me too! :P
[03:15] <fagr> how can i check what is using the sound
[03:15] <fagr> for my sound device is not working
[03:15] <rohan> sanketmedhi: changed my firefox and disabled ipv6
[03:15] <sanketmedhi> rohan, worked?
[03:15] <catfox> does anyone here know much about python+gtk? (specifically treeview) i'm stuck for decent docs on using it
[03:16] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, so is firefox working now?
[03:16] <da_bon_bon> yes..
[03:16] <da_bon_bon> trying gaim
[03:16] <sanketmedhi> nice
[03:16] <onkarshinde> sanketmedhi: rohan: Any experience with BSNL broadband with Ubuntu?
[03:16] <Juhaz> catfox, the reference docs are very good, and tutorial has a section on using treeview
[03:16] <da_bon_bon> onkarshinde: i am on mtnl .. it works
[03:16] <catfox> Juhaz, on the pygtk site?
[03:16] <sanketmedhi> onkarshinde, no, why, any probs?
[03:16] <Juhaz> catfox, yes
[03:17] <catfox> Juhaz, i'll take a look. thanks
[03:17] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, where did u find ipv6 option in Firefox? :S
[03:17] <onkarshinde> da_bon_bon: But since I am in Maharashtra (not in Metros) I can't use MTNL
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: about:config
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> onkarshinde: ok.. bsnl will work .. hassle free if connected to ethernet or lan card
[03:17] <cajetanus> !breezy
[03:17] <ubotu> methinks breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[03:18] <onkarshinde> sanketmedhi: I am planning to subscribe for BSNL broadband so thought if someone can provide experience/guidelines
[03:18] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, oh...what does tht have to do with ur connection? ummm, whateva, good its working :D
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: gaim is not
[03:18] <sanketmedhi> onkarshinde, there is no connection that doesnt work on linux! :P
[03:18] <Sonderblade> how do install a new kernel?
[03:18] <sanketmedhi> onkarshinde, i am on sify, works great
[03:18] <pef> hi
[03:18] <thoreauputic> goodnight!
[03:18] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, search for ipv6 option in Gaim then! :P
[03:18] <aftertaf> ;) thoreauputic have a malteser...
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: cant find
[03:19] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, lol i was just kidding
[03:19] <moomindaddy> grr if only i could play ultima online via linux, its the only thing i use windows for really
[03:19] <vegiVamp> grmbl
[03:19] <vegiVamp> finally fixed
[03:20] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, go to Gaim >> Tools >> Preferences
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=1098974210f6d7e60cadf7d1d9e7590f&p=335887#post335887
[03:20] <Auriacan> I have an asus M6Ne laptop and i can't get my battery meter working, any suggestions?
[03:20] <vegiVamp> something mounted udev before S04udev was run -> S04udev says 'sorry, already mounted' and buggers off without creating /dev/pts
[03:20] <joh_> what happend to libqt3c102-mt in breezy?
[03:21] <vegiVamp> had to add an udev restart script ag rcS/34
[03:21] <apokryphos> joh_: obsolete, I believe.
[03:21] <ofer0> my friend forgot his user password, and now he cant login to the system. what to do?
[03:21] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, the first thing after installing Ubuntu is going to UbuntuGuide.org and following the instructions!
[03:21] <ofer0> sanketmedhi, ubuntuguide sux.. please do not tell people to use it..
[03:21] <sanketmedhi> why not?
[03:21] <sanketmedhi> i liked it
[03:22] <nxv_> how do i disable pwd login over ssh, i setup pubkey auth, an have PasswordAuthentication no in my sshd_config but still get asked for an pwd if i don't have my privatekey provided
[03:22] <joh_> apokryphos: Do you know any information on the matter? Is there a new package which is used instead?
[03:22] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell sanketmedhi about ubuntuguide
[03:22] <ofer0> !ubuntuguide
[03:22] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[03:22] <joh_> apokryphos: It breaks the shared version of Opera
[03:22] <ofer0> sanketmedhi, READ IT!
[03:22] <wickedpuppy> hi guys ... whats the name of the dvd drive ? /dev/hdd ? its  a slave
[03:22] <sanketmedhi> ofer0, ok!
[03:22] <apokryphos> joh_: one sec
[03:23] <apokryphos> joh_: yes, should be covered by libqt3-mt
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: do they have stuff for gaim ? can you paste the relevant section ?
[03:23] <Gui_Carvalho> hello everybody
[03:23] <dabaR> wickedpuppy: well, yes, if its a slave on the secondary IDE, then it will be /dev/hdd likely.
[03:23] <sanketmedhi> nothing for Gaim
[03:23] <Gui_Carvalho> I need some help with the live version of Ubuntu
[03:23] <dabaR> thats good to know.
[03:23] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, do 1 thing...change the options in Preferences >> Network
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: change them to ?
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> wait a sec
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> i think i need to reboot ..
[03:24] <White_Shadow> when I use the command 'su, it doest accept any password
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> hang on
[03:24] <dabaR> Its System>Admin>Network...
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> brb
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> dabaR, do you know the type for the dvd drive ? i am recovering my fstab
[03:24] <dabaR> reboot the router too
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> i thrashed it
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> lol
[03:24] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, to whateva suits u well
[03:24] <da_bon_bon> White_Shadow: use you own user password
[03:24] <dabaR> wickedpuppy: no idea. aer you in gnome?
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> yes
[03:24] <wickedpuppy> i am in gnome
[03:24] <White_Shadow> I did use my password
[03:24] <apokryphos> ofer0: restart the comp, and at the grub prompt hit e IIRC
[03:24] <Fanskapet> anyone using vsftpd and virtual users here?
[03:24] <dabaR> and it does not just mount itself?
[03:24] <Gui_Carvalho> ppl, I'm running the Ubuntu LIve CD on my computer: how do I access the files on my HD?
[03:24] <White_Shadow> but it doest accept anything
[03:25] <Quinthius> White_Shadow: "su" uses root's password, not yours. try "sudo su" instead... or just "sudo -H -s"
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> dabaR, i managed to empty my fstab as root .. i am trying to put everything back in
[03:25] <dabaR> wickedpuppy: /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0       ---- is mine.
[03:25] <apokryphos> ofer0: that'll edit the boot, and the line that has "kernel slkdjf kjdkdk etc" (long one), put in init=/bin/bash
[03:25] <White_Shadow> whats sudo?
[03:25] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell White_Shadow about sudo
[03:25] <wickedpuppy> thanks
[03:25] <ofer0> !sudo
[03:25] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:25] <ofer0> READ IT
[03:25] <dabaR> wickedpuppy: sure.
[03:25] <Sav^> Anyone with a Acer TravelMate 8101WLMi and a helping hand? =)
[03:25] <ofer0> apokryphos, ok now what? sudo passwd <user> ?
[03:25] <ofer0> oops, passwd <user> ?
[03:25] <apokryphos> ofer0: yes
[03:26] <ofer0> apokryphos, thanx
[03:26] <dabaR> Sav^: you have much worse chances of getting that answered than had you asked what you wanted to know.
[03:26] <onkarshinde> Gui_Carvalho: You can temporarily mount the harddisks
[03:26] <wickedpuppy> dabaR, you mind pasting your whole fstab ?
[03:26] <Gui_Carvalho> onkarshinde: how do I do that?
[03:27] <Pyf> hey im looking for a program that is similar to itunes, where i can have all my music organised into sections, anyone got any suggestions
[03:27] <aftertaf> !tell wickedpuppy about pastebin
[03:27] <dabaR> wickedpuppy: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1954
[03:27] <aftertaf> Pyf:  amarok?
[03:27] <wickedpuppy> thanks dude
[03:27] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, first become root using sudo -s <enter>
[03:27] <onkarshinde> Gui_Carvalho: can you first tell me the output of command 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'? It will ask about your password
[03:27] <dabaR> sure
[03:27] <joh_> apokryphos:  apt-cache show libqt3-mt says that it replaces libqt3c102-mt, but Opera doesn't install with libqt3-mt. Is that a Opera or Ubuntu bug?
[03:27] <Gui_Carvalho> ok, let me try this
[03:27] <apokryphos> joh_: what error does Opera give?
[03:28] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, try Rhythmbox
[03:28] <onkarshinde> Gui_Carvalho: Give me the output in private message instead of flooding the channel
[03:28] <Blissex> I would suggest using only the statically linked version of the the Opera binary...
[03:28] <onkarshinde> Pyf: You will find interface of Rhythmbox same as iTunes
[03:29] <joh_> dpkg says: "opera krever libqt3c102-mt. Men:
[03:29] <joh_>   Pakken libqt3c102-mt er ikke installert." Thats "Opera requires libqt3c102-mt, but it is not installed" in english
[03:29] <Pyf> sanketmedhi / onkarshinde ahh that'll suit me then :)
[03:29] <Blissex> joh_: 'libqt3-mt' is from Breezy (new version 2 C++ API) and 'libqt3c102-mt' is from Hoary.
[03:29] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, dont install Amarok
[03:29] <jack-> Pyf: xmms still owns, though :p
[03:29] <apokryphos> it's because the Ubuntu deb on their site is only built for Hoary
[03:30] <Blissex> joh_: if you don't know the implications of that, just install the statically linked version of Opera, it is provided for a reason.
[03:30] <mypapit> Amarok? sux
[03:30] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: why ever not?
[03:30] <ilba7r> is there a way to list wht is using my sond device?
[03:30] <apokryphos> amarok rocks my socks
[03:30] <deFrysk> beep-media-player is a nice xmms replacement
[03:30] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, for that u will have to install all kde library packages too!
[03:30] <Pyf> oh, rythmbox looks exactly the same as music player, which came installed on my ubuntu install..... and it crashes when i import folders....
[03:30] <joh_> Blissex: The static is provided for one reason: Butt ugly fonts and a horrible theme :)
[03:30] <Blissex> ilba7r: 'lsof | egrep '/dev/dsp|/dev/snd'
[03:30] <deFrysk> amarok is a resource hog
[03:30] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, and its over 50 MB
[03:30] <ilba7r> thanx blissex
[03:30] <apokryphos> not really
[03:30] <Blissex> joh_: if you know better go ahead and make your day :-).
[03:30] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, it is the same player
[03:31] <sanketmedhi> Amarok rocks but not on Gnome!
[03:31] <deFrysk> opera advises the static version for ubuntu
[03:31] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: *many* gnomers use it still
[03:31] <Pyf> sanketmedhi, is there a way to stop it crashing when i import a load of folders, it just dies and disappears when i do....
[03:31] <deFrysk> amarock sucks anywhere ;p
[03:31] <nlogax> nxv_ sounds dangerous!
[03:31] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, well, then it depends on personal choice
[03:32] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, i wont agree on that
[03:32] <nxv_> nlogax: setting UsePAM no in sshd_config worked
[03:32] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: sure. I like features, functionality, integration.
[03:32] <joh_> Blissex: What you are saying is that Opera has to create a new version of Opera that links against 'libqt3-mt' instead of 'libqt3c102-mt'. Or else the users has to use static?
[03:32] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, I do not ask anyone to agree with me ;)
[03:32] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, it plays well on my machine, dunno what is hte problem on urs
[03:32] <nxv_> nlogax: also every howto just says passwordauth no would sufice
[03:32] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, LOL!
[03:32] <apokryphos> joh_: the Ubuntu deb they have is made for *hoary*
[03:32] <nxv_> nlogax: it is a lot more daengerous how many false howtos are outher
[03:33] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, i use it on Fedora Gnome :D
[03:33] <ster> hello, I'm a real noob and I have trouble setting up my internet connection, can any one help me please?
[03:33] <nxv_> out there
[03:33] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: almost as bad as ubuntu gnome 8)
[03:33] <Blissex> joh_: that's one way of putting it.
[03:33] <onkarshinde> Does anyone know why vlc-0.8.2 is not included in updates or backports package lists?
[03:33] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, deFrysk, but still I think we need a good sound engine on linux
[03:33] <Blissex> joh_: that's one way of putting it. But things are more subtle than that.
[03:34] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, bad? :O
[03:34] <Blissex> !breezy
[03:34] <ubotu> I heard breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[03:34] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, als rocks on my box
[03:34] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: because it hasn't been packaged?
[03:34] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, Ubuntu has the best Gnome ever! :P
[03:34] <deFrysk> alsa*
[03:34] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: I'm not disagreeing, but then again I haven't tried out all gnomes.
[03:34] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, not bad on mine too, just that not as good as on Win
[03:34] <ster> I'm a girl and I really can't figure out what I have to do to set up my connection, please?
[03:34] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, Fedora is cool but not as stable as Ubuntu
[03:34] <selinium> When I try to mount my old windows drive it says mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/windows busy     any ideas?
[03:34] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, ever wondered how that could be ?
[03:35] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, both are almost same on loks
[03:35] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: debian package management system is quite superior. :)
[03:35] <onkarshinde> apokryphos: then what does this link http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu3_i386.deb correspond to?
[03:35] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, ok, I typed sudo -s (then enter) in the terminal
[03:35] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, no, but I would appreciate an advice
[03:35] <apokryphos> onkarshinde: breezy
[03:35] <joh_> apokryphos: Acctualy not, they are made for sarge
[03:35] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, ofcourse it is
[03:35] <nlogax> nxv_ you want to be able to SSH and not be prompted for a password at all?
[03:35] <osfameron> marvellous: neither audacity nor totem want to open .mp3s... good old rhythmbox!
[03:35] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, do you have windows on /dev/hda1 ?
[03:35] <apokryphos> joh_: actually no, the ubuntu debs is made, supririse surprise, for *ubuntu*
[03:36] <onkarshinde> apokryphos: Ok Thanks.
[03:36] <apokryphos> joh_: just the hoary versoin, though -- makes sense, considering it's the current stable.
[03:36] <Pyf> being that i cant get rythmbox to work, and amarok seems to be not liked, anyone got any other ideas....?
[03:36] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, actually i am planning for RHCE, that's why i have to stick to Fedora, else I am in love with Ubuntu! :D
[03:36] <Gui_Carvalho> I have Windows on this machine, but not sure where it would be. It's the only installed OS, btw
[03:36] <apokryphos> Pyf: amarok is liked :). It's the best out there :P
[03:36] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: :)
[03:36] <onkarshinde> Anybody having any problem with smartlink modem driver? Mine (on an HP laptop) drops connection.
[03:36] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:37] <Pyf> apokryphos, ill try it  :)
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> hi
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> how to COMPLETELY disable ipv6
[03:37] <nlogax> ster what's the problem exactly?
[03:37] <ster> I try with a little extra information: I don't get an ip
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> gaim is still not working
[03:37] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, if u have a good enough connection, u might want to go for Amarok then
[03:37] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, lol!
[03:37] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, it's done
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> sanketmedhi: :(
[03:37] <Renski> is there a date for breezy yet?
[03:37] <sanketmedhi> da_bon_bon, i have no clue, works fine on sify!
[03:37] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: why does using it have anything to do with connection?
[03:38] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho,  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[03:38] <ster> well nlogax, I can't get an ip on my portable and I don't know why
[03:38] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, what will that do?
[03:38] <apokryphos> Renski: oct 13
[03:38] <Pyf> sanketmedhi, 50meg wont take long to download, im not fussed about that, would like something that doesnt crash when i try to add music though :)
[03:38] <nxv_> nlogax: i want only to be able to login with pubkey. no way to enter with user id and pwd
[03:38] <deFrysk> that wil mount hopefully your windows
[03:38] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, because downloading the kde dependencies is around 50 MB which is considerably huge for Ubuntu
[03:38] <Renski> thanks apokryphos
[03:38] <aftertaf> mpg321 pwns
[03:38] <ster> we have to ip's normally
[03:38] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, then go for it
[03:38] <apokryphos> if you don't have the kdelibs, then sure.
[03:39] <selinium> deFrysk: I am having problems with mounting my m$ drive. It says my mount point /media/windows is busy? Any ideas?
[03:39] <ster> but they same to be blocked by to other computers
[03:39] <onkarshinde> Anybody having any problem with smartlink modem driver? Mine (on an HP laptop) drops connection
[03:39] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, sorry for being paranoid: this is file-preserving, right?
[03:39] <nlogax> nxv_ yeah I run the same setup
[03:39] <ster> I tried to release them and disconnect one of them, but I still can't get an ip
[03:39] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, is only mountig your windowspartition , nothing more
[03:39] <onkarshinde> selinium: Most probably you are already in /mnt/windows. Please do a cd ..
[03:40] <nlogax> nxv_ pw authentication no and pam yes works here
[03:40] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, it asks to specify the file system type - which I think is ntfs for my windows
[03:41] <ster> I don't now what els I have to tell you
[03:41] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, not sure how to do that
[03:41] <selinium> onkarshinde: I am in my user root
[03:41] <sanketmedhi> Gui_Carvalho, u have to install kernel module ntfs then
[03:41] <ster> oh, someone told me it could be that the route haven't been set up or something like that
[03:41] <deFrysk> sanketmedhi, is that possible in a live cd ?
[03:41] <ster> but I don't know what that means
[03:41] <nlogax> ster are you using wireless or normal netowkr connection?
[03:42] <ster> normal
[03:42] <sanketmedhi> deFrysk, oh no, lol sorry!
[03:42] <nxv_> nlogax: i had to set UsePAM to no to deactivate pwd logins over ssh
[03:42] <Hoxzer`> when ubuntu install will ask do I want to resize my HDD?
[03:42] <Gui_Carvalho> sanketmedhi, how do I do that?
[03:42] <onkarshinde> selinium: Then also please check that there is no nautilus or any other application accessing /media/windows
[03:42] <sanketmedhi> Gui_Carvalho, ask deFrysk :P
[03:42] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Do you have a single partition?
[03:42] <sanketmedhi> Gui_Carvalho, why do u need it anyway?
[03:42] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, any clues? :)
[03:43] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, you use ntfs
[03:43] <deFrysk> no clues :(
[03:43] <sanketmedhi> Gui_Carvalho, and i dont think its even possible on a live CD
[03:43] <Hoxzer`> onka: yeap I want to keep my windows install
[03:43] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, download knoppix , I believe it supports ntfs
[03:43] <Gui_Carvalho> sanketmedhi, I'm trying to replace a missing or corrupt file on my computer so I can start up Windows
[03:44] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, windows IS a corrupted file
[03:44] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:44] <dazvid_> lol ^
[03:44] <Gui_Carvalho> deFrysk, is knoppix another Linux Package?
[03:44] <sanketmedhi> Gui_Carvalho, like someone said try Knoppix thenm if it does support ntfs
[03:44] <deFrysk> Gui_Carvalho, another livecd
[03:44] <Gui_Carvalho> +( tell me about it
[03:44] <deFrysk> it uses ugly kde but also takes ntfs afaIk
[03:44] <mastertet> Hello
[03:44] <selinium> onkarshinde: I can't find anything accessing /medis/windows/
[03:44] <coarsesalt> alsa failed "no state is present for card default" any ideas?
[03:44] <sanketmedhi> lol @ deFrysk - corrupted file! :P
[03:44] <fblade> hey guys
[03:45] <dazvid_> Gui_Carvalho, http://www.knoppix.org/
[03:45] <mastertet>  If I only use gtk apps, will the application share the loaded gtk libs or will gtk be loaded each time I launch a new app?
[03:45] <Hoxzer`> eh...
[03:45] <apokryphos> mastertet: shared
[03:45] <Gui_Carvalho> thx ppl, I'll look into it
[03:45] <fblade> is there a gui version of a gba emulator forlinux
[03:45] <ster> please? I don't know what extra information to give
[03:45] <mastertet> thanks apokryphos
[03:45] <AlexMBas> does anyone here uses Xen and ubuntu as the dom0 guest OS?
[03:45] <ster> I don't know what you need to know to help me
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> cya all
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> cya sanketmedhi
[03:45] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: You need to choose manual partition while installation and then you can resize your existing partition.
[03:45] <mastertet> What is the leanest way, only gtk apps or only kde apps?
[03:45] <Gui_Carvalho> ok, out for a while, thx again
[03:46] <Hoxzer`> onkar: ok...
[03:46] <deFrysk> mastertet, gtk2 and use xfce4
[03:46] <Hoxzer`> so I can't run standart install?
[03:46] <Hoxzer`> standard
[03:46] <onkarshinde> selinium: I don't see any reason for the problem then. Can you specify the command you gave?
[03:46] <deFrysk> mastertet, for lightweight
[03:47] <mastertet> ok
[03:47] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Yes. In case of partitioning you have to choose manual.
[03:47] <nlogax> nxv_ I don't understand that because mine doesn't accept interactive logins and I have usePAM yes
[03:47] <Hoxzer`> ok, right now its asking how do I want to name my comp
[03:47] <selinium> onkarshinde: sudo mount /dev/hdb    with fstab /dev/hdb        /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 		0       0
[03:48] <mastertet> breezy is coming out soon?
[03:48] <Hoxzer`> will it automaticaly remove existing install if I dont change to manual?
[03:48] <Hoxzer`> whitout asking
[03:48] <Pyf> hmmm amarok doesnt recognise the way i do my sound, guess ill have to stick with rythmbox
[03:48] <ster> please, would anybody be so kind to help me
[03:48] <sanketmedhi> atripathi, welcome!
[03:48] <apokryphos> Pyf: what do you mean?
[03:48] <Hoxzer`> oh, it asked
[03:49] <apokryphos> Pyf: you can alter the sound engine from settings -> configure amarok
[03:49] <atripathi> KDE doesnt work over ubuntu ?
[03:49] <Quinthius> ster: with?
[03:49] <selinium> onkarshinde: should be hdb1, sorry!
[03:49] <Pyf> i use a usb > audio converter for audio...
[03:49] <atripathi> ty :)
[03:49] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Of cource
[03:49] <nlogax> ster have you tried assigning a static IP to the laptop?
[03:49] <Pyf> usb > optical
[03:49] <ster> I can't setup my internet connection. I can't get any ip?
[03:49] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, is Rhythmbox playing fine?
[03:49] <Hoxzer`> onkar: right now im in "make an partion" option or something like taht
[03:49] <ster> and how do I do that?
[03:49] <Pyf> yeah rythmbox plays fine
[03:49] <Hoxzer`> *that
[03:49] <sanketmedhi> Pyf, if yes i dont guess u have any probs with mp3 drivers
[03:49] <larsrohdin> videolan or vlc, has really crappy sound when it is too much base... is there anything you can do to make it better
[03:49] <larsrohdin> ?
[03:50] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, VLC is for movies
[03:50] <Quinthius> ster: as nlogax just suggested, try setting it staticly... system -> administration -> networking
[03:50] <Hoxzer`> do I choose "make partions"
[03:50] <larsrohdin> sanketmedhi, yeah and movies have sounds
[03:50] <dazvid_> selinium, do you know what the nls=utf8 does when mounting the ntfs drive?
[03:50] <Hoxzer`> :E dont really want to lose my install
[03:50] <atripathi> What if i want to use KDE on ubuntu ?
[03:50] <Quinthius> ster: click on ethernet connection and then properties
[03:50] <larsrohdin> and alot of movies have alot of base in the music
[03:50] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, yeah but movies need good bass
[03:50] <dabaR> atripathi: works fine. Pyf, have you tried changing the output plugin in amarok?
[03:51] <larsrohdin> sanketmedhi, yeah and i want that
[03:51] <Quinthius> ster: then click on the box for Configuration, choose static IP, then enter in your details
[03:51] <Pyf> dabaR, how would i do that?
[03:51] <selinium> dazvid_ To be honest, no. But I am wiping formatting the drive to be rid of m$! SO it will soon be changed
[03:51] <dabaR> Pyf: through the menus, go look.
[03:51] <dazvid_> Yeh, I was just curious what it did
[03:51] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, one more thing....VLC sucks!
[03:51] <dazvid_> I personally have a different setting in my fstab
[03:51] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: I have done this already but I don't remember exact steps. You should have someone by your side to guide exactly. But I think you are on right track. It will prompt before writing the partition table. Read every screen
[03:52] <dabaR> ster: tell us more about the devices, and the ISP.
[03:52] <larsrohdin> sanketmedhi, ok but that didn't answer my question..
[03:52] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, bad luck!
[03:52] <fblade> is there a gui version of a gba emulator forlinux
[03:52] <larsrohdin> sanketmedhi, wtf is your problem anyway
[03:52] <ster> I'm not sure I understand
[03:52] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, you are the one with the prob
[03:52] <Quinthius> ster: what is your internet connection?
[03:52] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, anyways chill
[03:52] <selinium> dazvid_: np, I am stil quite new to all this, even though I have been using Ubuntu for 8 months I still fell like a noob!
[03:52] <ster> when I go to system I don't see administration
[03:52] <sanketmedhi> larsrohdin, why dont u use mplayer?
[03:53] <Pyf> dabaR, i goto the configure engine section, and it has no engines for me to pick from....
[03:53] <onkarshinde> ster: what do you want to configure?
[03:53] <dazvid_> selinium, I have been on it for about 2 days.. so im trying to learn as fast as possible :)
[03:53] <larsrohdin> sanketmedhi, because it crashes when i try to play dvd:s
[03:53] <ster> onkarshinde_ my internet connection
[03:53] <Quinthius> ster: from the top menu, if you click on System, there should be a sub-menu called Administration
[03:53] <onkarshinde> ster: which type of it? dialup or DSL?
[03:54] <selinium> dazvid_: Cool, I wish I mhad discovered linux 10 years ago. But at least it is a lot more user friendly now!
[03:54] <Quinthius> ster: NOT applications -> system tools.
[03:54] <nlogax> ster: is the laptop plugged in to a local network?
[03:54] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: How are you doing with it?
[03:54] <znh> *if someone needs help I am here..*
[03:55] <Hoxzer`> Onkar: I dont really know what to do :D
[03:55] <sanketmedhi> hey apokryphos, how do u add a secondary to eth0 on Ubuntu?
[03:55] <ster> euh, Telenet is dial up I think
[03:55] <Hoxzer`> well I had backup all important files so Its not that big thing if I fail
[03:55] <ster> not plugged into a local network
[03:55] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Just proceed with what you are doing and tell me every step. Do it fast as I don't have enough time.
[03:55] <Hoxzer`> it would be just really annoying to install windows again
[03:55] <Hoxzer`> l n
[03:55] <znh> Hoxzer`: yeah.. windows installation is not easy xD
[03:56] <atripathi> How do you pronounce "UBUNTU"   .... is it ABANTU or OOBOONTU  ??
[03:56] <Quinthius> ster: do you connect with a modem through the phone line?
[03:56] <Hoxzer`> onkar right now im making a partion
[03:56] <Hoxzer`> do I resize it?
[03:56] <Hoxzer`> without losing my windows Install?
[03:56] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: in kde you'd use the control center, not sure how gnome does it... I guess you could always use iptables
[03:56] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: what is the exact content of your screen?
[03:56] <Quinthius> atripathi: i say the first two U's as in "put", and the last more elongated as in "boot"
[03:56] <ster> do I have to go to control center
[03:56] <Hoxzer`> onkar: its in finnish so I have to translate
[03:57] <ster> I see System administration?
[03:57] <ster> or Internet and Network?
[03:57] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, u use KUbuntu?
[03:57] <onkarshinde> ster: If it is dialup then you can simply configure it using pppconfig. Do command 'sudo pppconfig'
[03:57] <atripathi> k got it but it sounds funny anyway :)
[03:57] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, or ur on some other distro?
[03:57] <apokryphos> sanketmedhi: correct.
[03:57] <sanketmedhi> ok
[03:57] <Quinthius> ster: wait... are you in ubuntu... or windows?
[03:57] <Hoxzer`> "Make an partion. Modify device IDE1 master (hda) partion number 2. partions filesystem is ntfs.
[03:58] <nlogax> ster OK, so how does it connect to the Internet?  is it a dial-up modem?  or is it plugged in to a broadband router?
[03:58] <sanketmedhi> Quinthius, lol!
[03:58] <dazvid_> atripathi, It depends on what mood im in :D sometimes its "you-bun-too" or more like how Quinthius described it
[03:58] <libooc0> is it allowed to enter here while using windows? hehe
[03:58] <ster> now I just did pppconfig
[03:58] <Pyf> hmmm when i try to use amarok it says, [GStreamer Error]  OSS Devie /dev.... is in use by another program, what could be using it?
[03:58] <atripathi> Why is KUBUNTU a different project? Simply to use KDE on ubuntu ?
[03:58] <Hoxzer`> "settings of partion" "use: dont use" "boot ability dedector: on" "size: 40.0GB"
[03:58] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: So you have to select modify partition number 2
[03:59] <dabaR>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome?highlight=%28pronounce%29
[03:59] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: When you enter on size yo can resize it
[03:59] <onkarshinde> ster: Could you configure it?
[03:59] <dabaR> atripathi: you can find all this info on the web page, and the wiki.
[03:59] <Hoxzer`> ok...
[03:59] <dabaR> ubuntu.com
[03:59] <ster> I can try
[03:59] <atripathi> sure i got Firefox ;)
[04:00] <Quinthius> atripathi: because the main ubuntu team doesn't have the time & resources to manage both gnome AND kde i guess
[04:00] <ster> it's set to static
[04:00] <dazvid_> dabaR, thanks for link. Now I can sleep at night with the word ubuntu running through my head
[04:00] <sanketmedhi> apokryphos, onkarshinde, cya
[04:00] <dazvid_> with the correct pronunciation!
[04:00] <Hoxzer`> now it says : " Before changing the size of partion. Modifies must be saved to "harddirver?" . You can
[04:00] <Hoxzer`> '
[04:00] <Hoxzer`> ...you can't undo this option
[04:01] <atripathi> but i dont think its a wise approach incase it is being developed for the reason of using KDE.....though i am looking now on wiki
[04:01] <selinium> apokryphos: Sorry, how would you move the home directory to the new drive again? :)
[04:01] <Hoxzer`> See, that resize can take long time
[04:01] <ster> what do I have to fill in for "enter the IP nuber for your primary nameserver"?
[04:01] <Hoxzer`> do you want to save modifies to harddriver and resize the partion?"
[04:01] <Hoxzer`> do I choose "Yes"
[04:02] <apokryphos> selinium: move your current /home stuff to / ; mount /home in fstab, then put the stuff back in
[04:02] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: You are on right track
[04:02] <Hoxzer`> so yes I guess....
[04:02] <Hoxzer`> there are three options "go back, yes, no"
[04:02] <selinium> apokryphos: What/ where would you put the new drive in fstab? I have made it an ext3 is that correct?
[04:02] <selinium> :)
[04:02] <Hoxzer`> lets choose yes
[04:02] <Hoxzer`> :E
[04:03] <onkarshinde> ster: AFAIK in dialup the name server is detected automatically. So you have to choose any option for dynamic ip
[04:03] <apokryphos> selinium: you currently have a partition that is ext3, correct?
[04:03] <paulproteu1> apokryphos: I wish I had the same, too.
[04:03] <ster> k
[04:03] <selinium> apokryphos: Yes, so I made the new one ext3 aswell
[04:03] <apokryphos> selinium: /dev/hdxX       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[04:03] <sirfred> Hello. I've got a problem with ubuntu and my DVD reader I'm not able to fix.
[04:04] <Hoxzer`> Onkar: ok, now its asking the size
[04:04] <selinium> apokryphos: Cheers!
[04:04] <sirfred> Most of the times, I got these errors from the kernel:
[04:04] <sirfred> hdd: request sense failure: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[04:04] <sirfred> hdd: request sense failure: error=0x04Aborted Command
[04:04] <apokryphos> sirfred: don't paste in here.
[04:04] <sirfred> After this, any process trying to access that hdd device freezes.
[04:04] <sirfred> apokryphos: It was just two lines.
[04:04] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: I suppose it is also saying that you can't have less than 15 GB ( or some number). Enter the size
[04:04] <Hoxzer`> onkar: yes
[04:05] <apokryphos> sirfred: Evidently, but regardless. Check /topic :)
[04:05] <Hoxzer`> its says youu can't have less than 26.4GB
[04:05] <sirfred> apokryphos: Excuse me for disturbing, but I supposed that a two lines error was not too much for the channel.
[04:05] <sirfred> apokryphos: All right.
[04:05] <Hoxzer`> so do I write 26.4GB in it?
[04:05] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Enter the new size. 15 or 20 GB. Remaining will be free space
[04:05] <sirfred> Even hald is in 'D' state (uninterrumpible sleep)
[04:05] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Just enter on that field and write the size
[04:05] <Hoxzer`> onkar: what size? :D
[04:05] <sirfred> Anybody knows what could be the reason of this?
[04:06] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Anything you wish to be size of the resized partition.
[04:06] <Hoxzer`> Onkar: can I do it in %
[04:06] <Hoxzer`> 34 %
[04:07] <Hoxzer`> ok, enter :D im afraid it will now remove my install
[04:07] <ster> I'm really making a mess
[04:07] <Hoxzer`> "too small" :E
[04:07] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: I suppose you can, but I don't know exact format. It won't remove your installed.
[04:07] <ster> I don't know any answer I have to fill in
[04:08] <selinium> apokryphos: Will that turn the whole of the new drive into the home drivE?
[04:08] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: What is the whole size of your hard disk?
[04:08] <sirfred> Bye
[04:08] <apokryphos> selinium: everything in that drive will be in /home
[04:08] <Hoxzer`> onkar: 40GB
[04:08] <apokryphos> selinium: but make sure you back up your current /home first!
[04:09] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Why don't ypou just put the size in GBs instead of %. I think 15GB or 20 GB should be fine
[04:09] <Hoxzer`> Onkar: its too small
[04:09] <Hoxzer`> smallest size I can choose is 26.4 GB
[04:10] <Hoxzer`> actually I already chose 26.5 :E
[04:10] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Then you shouldn't have any problem in putting 30 GB. You can have a FAT32 partition as interface between two operating systems
[04:10] <Hoxzer`> now its showing install background without any txtg
[04:11] <Hoxzer`> *txt
[04:11] <libooc0> how can i force apt-get to install if packages are not present?
[04:11] <coarsesalt> lil' help please... alsa failed on load "no state is present for card default". can't get any of my microphones to work
[04:11] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Wait for some time. It is resizing the partition
[04:11] <Hoxzer`> yeah, I thought so
[04:12] <onkarshinde> libooc0: What do you mean by it?
[04:12] <libooc0> i want to install freebirth but the packages i need are there but...
[04:12] <libooc0> ...are not accepted by apt-get
[04:13] <libooc0> apt-get -f install  does not work
[04:13] <onkarshinde> libooc0: Can you give me some example of such package?
[04:13] <libooc0> ok, wait
[04:14] <libooc0> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[04:14] <libooc0>   gephex: Hngt ab: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) aber 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14 soll installiert werden
[04:14] <libooc0>           Hngt ab: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) aber 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 soll installiert werden
[04:14] <libooc0>           Hngt ab: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) aber 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 soll installiert werden
[04:14] <libooc0> E: Nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten. Versuchen Sie apt-get -f install ohne jeglich Pakete (oder geben Sie eine Lsung an).
[04:14] <black_13> i am have problems with subversion http://pastebin.com/356095
[04:14] <Uthini> hi guys! i'm having apt-problems
[04:14] <Uthini> for the past month i've been unable to uptdate mozilla & my kernel
[04:15] <onkarshinde> libooc0: I am not understanding the language. But i suppose that the package you are trying to install depends on some other package. And apt-get doesn't know from where to retrive the dependencies
[04:15] <onkarshinde> libooc0: Install the dependencies first
[04:15] <selinium> apokryphos: The system will not let me move the home directories to root. It wil only let my copy them. I do not have enough space to copy them. Any ideas?
[04:16] <libooc0> i try again
[04:16] <onkarshinde> Uthini: What do you mean by enabling to update? What is the error?
[04:17] <Hoxzer`>  onkar: do you have any idea how loong resize could take?
[04:17] <apokryphos> selinium: I guess you should, then, mount the soon-to-be-home under something else, say, /mnt/home then move it to /home
[04:17] <Uthini> onkarshinde: error downloading file headers
[04:17] <Uthini> onkarshinde: it's like the files don't exist on the server
[04:17] <Kalidarn> whats the ubuntu archive mirror host name for breezy badger?
[04:17] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: No, I don't have any idea.
[04:17] <Hoxzer`> :E ...
[04:18] <sdog> I`m trying to get OSS build and working on my Ubuntubox .. anyone successfully did that already ?
[04:18] <onkarshinde> Uthini: Which ubuntu version? Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:18] <selinium> apokryphos: I just tried that and got an error.   wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,  I used gparted to create format the disk...
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: not right now
[04:19] <apokryphos> selinium: :/
[04:19] <Uthini> not on the linux box
[04:19] <apokryphos> selinium: what did you do exactly?
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: hoary 5.04
[04:19] <apokryphos> Gah, we're getting spambots again.
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: it doesn't make sense, because i updated the kernel, then i formatted, now it looks @ me like i fell out a tree
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> onkar: now its ready
[04:20] <onkarshinde> Uthini: I don't see any reason for the problem unless and untill the mirror you are using is down or sour sources.list is changed dramatically
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> now I'm in same screen where I started
[04:20] <jhaa> where can i get Breezy Col 4?
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> "make a partion"
[04:21] <selinium> apokryphos: Deleted the partition, then created a new primary partition, or does it need to be an extended partition?
[04:21] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Okay. Now you can create another partition for Ubuntu and leave another free space for partitioning later from Windows
[04:21] <tritium> jhaa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-4/
[04:22] <Hoxzer`> onkar... problem is
[04:22] <jhaa> ah
[04:22] <jhaa> thank you
[04:22] <tritium> sure
[04:22] <Hoxzer`> I can't see partion what I made in the screen :E
[04:22] <sandro_> i am looking for a comparison paper of embedded operating systems Windows CE and Linux. I want to show  in my project, that linux is a better choice than winCE. But i'll need papers!
[04:22] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: What do you mean? You didn't create any partition. You just resized one.
[04:22] <tritium> spambots again, apokryphos ?
[04:23] <apokryphos> tritium: yeah, gonna make it registered-only
[04:23] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: I have to go home. I hope you will get help from others.
[04:24] <TheMuso> I/c
[04:24] <Sav^> im trying to update to kernel 2.6.12 but only gets " Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" any ideas?
[04:25] <jhaa> !initrd
[04:25] <ubotu> jhaa: I give up, what is it?
[04:25] <jhaa> noo
[04:25] <onkarshinde> Bye everybody. Wish you all happy Ubtunu using.
[04:28] <dazvid_> who here plays lxdoom ?
[04:28] <dazvid_> :D
[04:31] <apokryphos> Seveas: for changing to +R isn't it /mode #chan +R? :/
[04:31] <apokryphos> braino
[04:31] <Dr_Net> does ubuntu recognize and mount usb flash drives automatically?
[04:31] <ztonzy> uh
[04:32] <Seveas> apokryphos, +r = unregistered users can't join, +R = unregistered users can't speak
[04:32] <Seveas> spambots are back?
[04:32] <ztonzy> I get pornspam...and Konversation doesn't like some command
[04:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: I apparently can't change the modes
[04:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: yes
[04:32] <Seveas> always set a forward when restricting access
[04:33] <Dr_Net> so how about usb flash drives mounting on ubuntu?
[04:33] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[04:33] <CCFIEL> :)
[04:33] <apokryphos> Seveas: right. What's the syntax?
[04:33] <Seveas>  /mode #ubuntu +f #ubuntu-unregged
[04:34] <CCFIEL> im using xfce for my window... how do i configure my sound... because it does not work..but in gnome my sound card works..
[04:34] <apokryphos> thanks
[04:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos: how to now then ?
[04:35] <carey_oshea> I can't get NFS kernel server to run with Ubuntu. Here are my errors: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1955
[04:35] <carey_oshea> Portmap is running.
[04:36] <Sav^> im trying to update to kernel 2.6.12 but only gets " Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" any ideas?
[04:36] <Sonderblade> how do i make it so gcc calls gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-3.3? I have both 3.3 and 3.4 installed
[04:36] <carey_oshea> sav: try compiling ext3 into your kernel
[04:37] <carey_oshea> or whatever you use for your root partition
[04:37] <selinium> Hi Seveas
[04:37] <Sav^> carey_oshea: well i have
[04:37] <carey_oshea> sav: hmm... usually that means it's a module or not in the kernel, and then it's unable to mount it
[04:37] <Seveas> hi selinium
[04:37] <Muhammad> anybody can link me to hp deskjet 3550 printer driver for linux please ?
[04:38] <Muhammad> ubuntu linux
[04:38] <Seveas> carey_oshea, how did you install nfs?
[04:38] <dazvid_> Muhammad, should already be in there.. just have to set it up
[04:38] <carey_oshea> seveas: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common
[04:38] <magnon> 
[04:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> Muhammad: Go to System, Admin, Printers
[04:38] <dazvid_> Muhammad, go into "System > Administration > Printers"
[04:38] <Muhammad> Thanks .. Dazvid_ that means that I have to just connect it to the port
[04:38] <carey_oshea> seveas: and also portmap
[04:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> lol
[04:38] <dazvid_> and then select your printer from the list!
[04:39] <selinium> What is the command line to format a HD?
[04:39] <Muhammad> thanks
[04:39] <dazvid_> connect it to the port, and then go into the menu Carpe_Libertatem and I just typed :P
[04:39] <Muhammad> everybody
[04:39] <Seveas> carey_oshea, odd, that ought to work
[04:39] <carey_oshea> seveas: yeah, I'm lost too as to what could be causing it... portmap is running so it should be able to contact it
[04:40] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the apt system
[04:40] <carey_oshea> I'll continue playing
[04:40] <Seveas> carey_oshea, what's the output of netstat -tl?
[04:40] <carey_oshea> seveas: added it to my pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1957
[04:41] <Seveas> ok, so portmap is running and listening...
[04:41] <carey_oshea> yep
[04:41] <dazvid_> is there any way to see if my drivers for video card  have installed properly?
[04:41] <carey_oshea> no
[04:41] <Muhammad> i am a 13 years old linux n00b :(
[04:41] <Seveas> try aptitude purge portmap nfs-common nfs-kernel-server
[04:42] <Seveas> and reinstall the packages
[04:42] <carey_oshea> ok will do.
[04:43] <Muhammad> how rude was that :s
[04:44] <Seveas> selinium, mkfs
[04:44] <selinium> Seveas: cheers
[04:44] <carey_oshea> seveas: extra info, both hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty, so everything should be allowed. (in process of reinstalling atm)
[04:44] <Seveas> dazvid_, look through xorg.conf and see whether it uses the correct driver
[04:45] <Seveas> carey_oshea, iptables -L is empty too?
[04:45] <dazvid_> righto
[04:45] <carey_oshea> sevas: I uninstalled iptables... thinking it might have been blocking it. Bad move?
[04:45] <Muhammad> What applications wink support
[04:46] <dazvid_> aaaah its found my drivers for video card.. but its still only allowing me to select 1024*768 as the max res.. and 60hz refresh
[04:46] <dazvid_> do I have to update monitor drivers too?
[04:46] <carey_oshea> seveas: Trying to start nfs-kernel-server now after purging & reinstalling... no luck. It's doing it's usual 5min pause (slowly giving the portmap errors in syslog)
[04:46] <frank23> !resolution
[04:46] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:46] <selinium> Seveas: I used Gparted to format the drive. but it doesn't seem to want to play ball! My new drive is hdb not hdb1 as I expected?
[04:46] <dazvid_> thanks frank23
[04:47] <frank23> np
[04:47] <carey_oshea> selinium: hdb is your drive, hdb1 is your first partition on that drive
[04:47] <Seveas> selinium, if it has 1 partition on it it's simply hdb
[04:48] <VoX> anyone know how to get a ralink 2500 to run as an accesspoint?
[04:48] <Seveas> carey_oshea, any portmap logs/errors?
[04:48] <VoX> or a wireless card in general?
[04:49] <frank23> VoX: I don't really know but not every card supports being used this way, I think
[04:49] <selinium> Seveas: It is an expansion drive, i will be moving /home onto it when I can get it working! It is fine as a single partition, yes?
[04:49] <Seveas> sure
[04:49] <VoX> frank23: yeah i know, but i know the ralink 2500 does(under windarez, anyway).
[04:50] <carey_oshea> seveas: only the ones that are in my pastebin (localhost not responding)
[04:52] <Seveas> carey_oshea, reinstall iptables and run iptables -L
[04:52] <selinium> Seveas: I have set up fstab to point /dev/hdb /media/windows so I can make a copy of the /home before changing anything. But when I try to mount hdb it says mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/windows busy. But neither is applicable... :/
[04:53] <Seveas> selinium, output of mount && lsof | grep /media/windows on the pastebin please :)
[04:53] <carey_oshea> seveas: ok, doing that now
[04:54] <apokryphos> selinium: sorry about that. How's it going?
[04:54] <selinium> Still having difficulties, I am about to paste mount && lsof | grep /media/windows to the bin for Sev to look at.
[04:55] <carey_oshea> seveas: just a clarification... netstat -tl did not show portmap listening, however netstat -lnptuw did... this is normal yes? (see pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1958)
[04:55] <njan> oi
[04:55] <apokryphos> selinium: ah, bad superblock error?
[04:55] <selinium> apokryphos: yep
[04:56] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1960
[04:56] <Seveas> carey_oshea, netstat -lt shoud show it
[04:57] <carey_oshea> seveas: oh... hmm. that's no good, wonder why it only shows in one and not the other
[04:57] <dazvid> Yipee, it worked
[04:57] <Seveas> i'm browsing thorough the manpage
[04:57] <dazvid> however still cant resize my monitor properly
[04:57] <dazvid> resolution.. so option 2
[04:58] <Seveas> what's the -u for?
[04:58] <Seveas> ah udp..
[04:58] <carey_oshea> ya
[04:58] <Seveas> so probably it only listens on udp and not tcp
[04:58] <Seveas> while nfs uses both
[04:58] <Muhammad> I have installed wine .. but what to do next ?
[04:59] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've run iptables -L... all three are set as "ACCEPT" (forward,output,input)
[04:59] <Seveas> hmm, so no weird things there
[04:59] <carey_oshea> yeah... hmm
[05:00] <Seveas> try /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[05:00] <carey_oshea> I've had this *exact* error before (portmap localhost not responding, etc) with nfs,,,, but that was just because portmap wasn't installed
[05:00] <Seveas> does that give errors?
[05:00] <Muhammad> heloo ?/
[05:00] <Seveas> hi
[05:00] <Muhammad> anybody want to help me ?
[05:00] <Muhammad> i have installed wine what to do next ?
[05:00] <osfameron> Muhammad: er?  what do you want to do next?
[05:01] <Muhammad> What to do ?
[05:01] <carey_oshea> I'm running /etc/init.d/portmap restart now... It's taking ages, no ouput and no error in syslog yet
[05:01] <Blissex> Muhammad: you run '.exe's, as in 'wine /..../whatever.exe'
[05:01] <Muhammad> I want to install adobe with it ?
[05:01] <spiderworm> Muhammad: now type "wine bsod.exe" for that classic windows feel
[05:01] <Muhammad> how ?
[05:01] <Muhammad> ?
[05:01] <Blissex> Muhammad: run the installer...
[05:01] <apokryphos> selinium: not sure to tell you the truth. Partitioning it went all ok?
[05:01] <selinium> spiderworm: lol
[05:01] <osfameron> Muhammad: you could try using winetools to set up various system things that will make stuff work better
[05:01] <carey_oshea> seveas: portmap also still running, so I think that means it's having trouble shutting portmap down
[05:01] <osfameron> Muhammad: though I've not had any luck getting that to work myself
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: creating configuration directory '/root/.wine'...
[05:02] <selinium> apokryphos: yep seemed to, gparted shows the partition. Should i format the disk through command line?
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: '/root/.wine' created successfully.
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: cannot find 'bsod.exe'
[05:02] <Muhammad> root@ubuntu:~ #
[05:02] <spiderworm> lol
[05:02] <spiderworm> Muhammad: it was a joke
[05:02] <spiderworm> Muhammad: sorry for not clarifying
[05:03] <apokryphos> Muhammad: please don't paste in here.
[05:03] <Muhammad> then .. what to do :s
[05:03] <selinium> Muhammad: bsod is the blue screen of death you get when windows crashes.
[05:03] <apokryphos> selinium: sure, if you know how to.
[05:03] <Muhammad> ijay
[05:03] <Seveas> Muhammad, running wine as root is a very bad thing by the way
[05:03] <Muhammad> okay !!
[05:03] <apokryphos> selinium: could you pastebin sudo fdisk -l ?
[05:03] <Muhammad> anybody can help .. :s
[05:03] <Muhammad> the n00b :s
[05:03] <Renski> ....its not bsod...its called explorer.exe
[05:03] <selinium> apokryphos: k
[05:04] <Seveas> Muhammad, what are you trying to do?
[05:04] <selinium> Muhammad: As Blissex said you run '.exe's, as in 'wine /..../whatever.exe'
[05:04] <Muhammad> hmm seveas .. but I use root :s.. from the start
[05:04] <Seveas> Muhammad, that's a very bad thing to do
[05:04] <Muhammad> If i want to install some software
[05:04] <Seveas> you should almost never use root
[05:04] <Muhammad> what to do ?
[05:05] <Seveas> just use wine as an ordinary user
[05:05] <Muhammad> hmm seveas .. okay !!
[05:05] <apokryphos> Muhammad: wine installs a "fake win directory" in *your* home
[05:05] <mik3> lies
[05:05] <Muhammad> hmm
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: copy the adobe installer files to that
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: then pretend that the root of the fake win drive is "C:" just like on windows
[05:05] <Sav^> im trying to upgrade my kernel, getting kernel-panic, now im gonna try to fix it by rekomplying the kernel, do i nedd to remove the "bad"-komplied kernel? or rather, should it and can i?
[05:05] <selinium> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1963  :)
[05:05] <Muhammad> okay
[05:05] <Muhammad> in which user
[05:05] <Muhammad> haris or haris1
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: and do wine "C:\path\to\adobe-installer.exe"
[05:06] <osfameron> (apparently it works better if you do the paths Windows style"
[05:06] <Muhammad> it will be
[05:06] <Muhammad> c:\home\haris1 ?
[05:06] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, the other partition you're trying to mount on doesn't seem to exist
[05:07] <selinium> apokryphos: I was expecting hdb1 but Seveas siad if it was one big partition it wouldn't show like that?
[05:08] <dazvid> hmm, I fixed the refresh rate, and there are more resolutions on offer.. however nothing higher than 1024*768... would it be ok if i changed xorg.conf manually?
[05:08] <Muhammad> ??
[05:08] <apokryphos> selinium: is it on another disk completely?
[05:08] <Renski> Muhammad: obtain a brain, then come back.
[05:08] <selinium> apokryphos: yes
[05:09] <Seveas> Renski: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[05:09] <dazvid> Renski, i believe he is only young..
[05:09] <apokryphos> selinium: and, it wouldn't show up like what? Under fdisk -l?
[05:09] <selinium> Muhammad: We have no idea on how your system is set up
[05:09] <carey_oshea> seveas: OK, portmap has restarted, no errors that I can see, it just took a long time
[05:09] <Seveas> carey_oshea, it shouldn't...
[05:09] <Seveas> there's something weird with your machine
[05:09] <carey_oshea> yeah... hmm
[05:09] <Seveas> Muhammad, wh are you using wine to install acrobat reader?
[05:10] <carey_oshea> I'll try another distro, and a few live distros to rule out a hardware problem (i do doubt this though)
[05:10] <Muhammad> nothing seveas .. I will get a brain first: S
[05:10] <carey_oshea> if it works with that, then i'll reinstall as the machine is just fresh, nothing to lose
[05:10] <Muhammad> dont want to ask support anymore !! :s
[05:10] <Seveas> carey_oshea, really no portmap errors in /var/log/* ?
[05:10] <Renski> Damn, the fuzzy feel good factor of ubuntu extends to IRC? Sorry Muhammad.
[05:10] <Seveas> Muhammad, don't let rude people scare you away
[05:10] <carey_oshea> yep... just the ones in my pastebin... "portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out"
[05:11] <carey_oshea> and it only pops up when I try to start nfs-kernel-server
[05:11] <apokryphos> Renski: yes :)
[05:11] <selinium> apokryphos: Sorry didn't understand that last one!  Seveas said it would be HDB not HDB1 if it was all one partition.
[05:11] <dazvid> Seveas, do you think that modifying my xorg.conf manually to include higher resolutions that it would actually enable them?
[05:11] <apokryphos> selinium: probably, sure. It should still show up in fdisk
[05:11] <Seveas> dazvid, only if you restart the X server afterward
[05:11] <dazvid> Yup of course
[05:11] <dazvid> ok well, trying again
[05:11] <Muhammad> support , please be my friend :(
[05:11] <Seveas> carey_oshea, what does pmap_dump say?
[05:12] <Muhammad> i am n00b
[05:12] <Seveas> Muhammad, then answer my simple question :)
[05:12] <Seveas> Muhammad, why are you using wine to install acrobat reader?
[05:12] <carey_oshea> seveas: I'm running it now, it's taking a long time.
[05:12] <Seveas> carey_oshea, portmap is definitely busted then
[05:12] <endy_x> Muhammad, are you logged in as root and talking on irc?
[05:12] <Seveas> because that should instantly finish
[05:12] <Muhammad> No
[05:12] <endy_x> k :)
[05:12] <Muhammad> Adobe Illustrator
[05:13] <Muhammad> Yes  , I am logged in root and talking to irc..
[05:13] <carey_oshea> seveas: I see. Very strange.
[05:13] <carey_oshea> seveas: might explain why I only get like 100 google results from my errors.... something very weird going on
[05:13] <Seveas> Muhammad, then quit irc, login as normal user and come back
[05:13] <Seveas> don't use root for other things than administration
[05:13] <dazvid> aha~!~! It worked!!
[05:13] <endy_x> Muhammad, its very important not to use root for 'normal' tasks :)
[05:13] <spiderworm> Muhammad: do you have a normal user account on the system?
[05:14] <Muhammad> hmm
[05:14] <Muhammad> okay .. but can i just know why ?
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: you can cause irrecoverable damage
[05:14] <Seveas> being root all the time is a security risk
[05:14] <spiderworm> Muhammad: because if you do something goofy as root you can ruin your whole system
[05:14] <v1ru5> any way of changing your system language btw??
[05:14] <v1ru5> friend asks
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: you're more vulnerable
[05:14] <Muhammad> yes
[05:14] <spiderworm> Muhammad: however, if you do something goofy as a normal user, it wont ruin the system
[05:14] <Muhammad> I have normal account !!!
[05:14] <Muhammad> I will just log in using normal account ..
[05:14] <v1ru5> woo
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: yes, you should. :)
[05:14] <Muhammad> .... !! :D
[05:15] <Seveas> carey_oshea, kill portmap and start it with: portmap -dv
[05:15] <Muhammad> okay. .
[05:15] <Muhammad> just fcoming !!
[05:15] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the apt system
[05:15] <Muhammad> just coming back..
[05:15] <Seveas> mik3, be a bit more specific please
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've actually already tried that, I got it from the manpage
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: It didn't print anything, just sat there
[05:15] <dazvid> ok now for my audio card..
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: I was hoping it would give me some debug, apparently not,.
[05:15] <Seveas> :(
[05:16] <dazvid> does anyone here run an audigy 2 with no problems?
[05:16] <Seveas> did you install other rpc-related packages?
[05:16] <dazvid> note: I have read through the forums about the different audigy problems
[05:16] <carey_oshea> seveas: pmap_dump has just completed, it printed nothing and no errors in /var/log/*
[05:17] <Seveas> carey_oshea, very very odd
[05:17] <Seveas> I wish i could be of more help, but i'm stunned :|
[05:17] <carey_oshea> yeah it's ok
[05:17] <carey_oshea> me too ;P
[05:17] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the system that uses apt-get, symantec, etc
[05:17] <carey_oshea> I'm juts thinking though the error says "unable to contact localhost" maybe my hosts setup or something is wrong?
[05:17] <apokryphos> mik3: why would you want to?
[05:18] <Seveas> carey_oshea, can you paste the current output of netstat -tlnp on the pastebin
[05:18] <mik3> because it's broke
[05:18] <Seveas> (sudo netstat -tlnp)
[05:19] <carey_oshea> Done: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1964
[05:20] <Muhammad> yep i am back !
[05:20] <Muhammad> with normal user !!!
[05:20] <Muhammad> now ?
[05:20] <dazvid> Good boy :)
[05:20] <apokryphos> Muhammad: yup, that's good. :)
[05:20] <selinium> Seveas: Sorry for being a pain... But mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb doesn't cure it either. I think I need more flags.
[05:21] <Seveas> selinium, try: sudo fdisk -l
[05:21] <Seveas> and paste the output on the bin
[05:21] <apokryphos> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1963
[05:21] <apokryphos> hdb doesn't show up, which is odd.
[05:21] <apokryphos> err, or it does. Don't mind me.
[05:22] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: I now have Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[05:22] <carey_oshea> I've posted about my problem on another forum: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=394509
[05:22] <Seveas> selinium, right, fire up *parted or cfdisk again and repartition
[05:22] <selinium> k
[05:22] <carey_oshea> hopefully someone will know what's up
[05:23] <Seveas> carey_oshea, if you find a solution, please let me know
[05:23] <carey_oshea> i love the design of the whirlpool forums ;)
[05:23] <carey_oshea> seveas: I will be sure to
[05:23] <greenhat> hey
[05:23] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Does it need to be a primary or extended? I 've been using primary
[05:23] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've appreciated your help and info so far, thanks
[05:23] <Seveas> primary
[05:24] <greenhat> Is this the right place to ask some questions bout installing ubuntu?
[05:24] <apokryphos> greenhat: sure
[05:24] <greenhat> k
[05:25] <Bartimaeus> does anyone know the apt-get for java?
[05:25] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Bartimaeus about java
[05:25] <znh> someone nedes a docter?
[05:25] <znh> *needs
[05:25] <greenhat> well i have a problem, I rally want to install Ubuntu, but my CD burner is broken. Is there anyway I can istall from WInXP?
[05:26] <apokryphos> greenhat: yes
[05:26] <Seveas> !java
[05:26] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:26] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell greenhat about install
[05:26] <carey_oshea> Well I'm off... been playing with this portmap/nfs problem for like 5 hours now, kinda tired ;)
[05:26] <grogoreo> hi
[05:26] <carey_oshea> seveas: thanks, I'll let you know if I find a solution
[05:26] <carey_oshea> bye
[05:26] <znh> bye carey_oshea
[05:26] <apokryphos> hi grogoreo
[05:26] <znh> grogoreo: greetingz
[05:26] <grogoreo> Does anyone know of a Interactive 3D Globe/World Map? With countries defined? Maybe in OpenGL?
[05:27] <znh> grogoreo: start creating one with blender :)
[05:27] <greenhat> @ apokryphos i'll check that out thanks
[05:28] <grogoreo> znh, I could create the sphere but not the actual map
[05:28] <apokryphos> grogoreo: #blender is your friend =)
[05:29] <grogoreo> apokryphos, I'm not going to create one as, I'm hoping to get Softimage|XSI (commercial app) and I don't want to get confused as they differ
[05:29] <grogoreo> but thanks
[05:29] <priest> is the 2.6.12-kernel in breezy patched with inotify?
[05:29] <grogoreo> I'm looking on SourceForge.net now!
[05:30] <wickedpuppy> hi guys ... where to get the source cd for ubuntu ?
[05:31] <Sav^> ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Even using gparted, i still have the same error now. Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[05:33] <apokryphos> :/
[05:33] <wickedpuppy> i mean the source cd for breezy
[05:34] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: you want the ISO?
[05:34] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <VoX> how do i setup gnome so that the gnomeshell i properly transparent? ie: so i can see whatever is behind it?
[05:36] <dazvid> VoX go into the profiles
[05:36] <dazvid> and set the background as transparent
[05:36] <VoX> i've done that
[05:36] <VoX> it shows me the background image
[05:36] <rp78> hi all
[05:36] <dazvid> so whats the problem?
[05:36] <dazvid> aaaaaah yes
[05:36] <VoX> not what's behind the shell
[05:37] <dazvid> I get you
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> apokryphos, i am looking for source cd not install or live ... know where ?
[05:37] <dazvid> Dont think you can?
[05:37] <apokryphos> VoX: you'll need ot use Composite for that
[05:37] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: the *source* cd? What?
[05:37] <Quinthius> VoX: it's not TRUE transparency... you can't have that without using some X extensions which right now i think are very experimental and only work on certain cards
[05:37] <VoX> apokryphos: explain?
[05:37] <VoX> Quinthius: i'm willing to try :)
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> ah got it
[05:37] <apokryphos> VoX: which is experimental and only really usable with NVidia
[05:37] <apokryphos> !composite
[05:37] <ubotu> composite is, like, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[05:37] <VoX> <-- has nvidia
[05:37] <rp78> anyone who is from the philippines
[05:38] <Quinthius> VoX: even with nvidia i think it's pretty buggy
[05:38] <apokryphos> It's worth trying it out, though IIRC Xorg has a bug with RenderAccel, so it won't work on some nvidia cards.
[05:38] <apokryphos> Quinthius: correct
[05:38] <Quinthius> and with ati... don't even bother, it's a mess :)
[05:40] <dazvid> apokryphos, is there a list of nvidia cards that dont work with the transparency?
[05:40] <priest> is the 2.6.12-kernel in breezy patched with inotify?
[05:41] <apokryphos> dazvid: not really; it's an Ubuntu packaging bug, I believe.
[05:41] <dazvid> ah ok
[05:42] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a Linksys USB Wireless-G Network Adapter?
[05:43] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Just going to reboot to see if it frees anything up. You never know!
[05:46] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a Linksys USB Wireless-G Network Adapter?
[05:46] <thrice`> Answer, you just posted that question
[05:46] <Answer> thrice` thank u for noticing
[05:46] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me boot yaboot from the mac OpenFirmware prompt?
[05:46] <thrice`> good.  Answer if someone knows, they will answer; dont' keep badgering people
[05:47] <yancheng> hi, how can i remove all the *~ file inside directory and sub directory??
[05:48] <Answer> rm -Rf ~*
[05:48] <thrice`> no
[05:48] <thrice`> don't run that command
[05:48] <Seveas> yancheng, find . -name ~* -exec rm '{}' ';'
[05:49] <thrice`> unless you want to delete stuff from your home dir
[05:49] <Seveas> yancheng, find . -name '~*' -exec rm '{}' ';'
[05:49] <Seveas> quoting matters
[05:50] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me boot yaboot from the mac OpenFirmware prompt?
[05:51] <Muhammad> i am back .. I have just sold my adobe and macromedia license..
[05:51] <Muhammad> to my friend ..
[05:51] <Muhammad> and will have to find some good alternatives !
[05:52] <thrice`> mm...gnome 2.12
[05:52] <Muhammad> gnome 2.12 for what ?
[05:52] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a USB network adapter?
[05:52] <thrice`> breezy of course =] 
[05:53] <Shikamaroo> does the hard drive have to be master on the ide cable in a mac to boot yaboot?
[05:53] <yancheng> Seveas: i just get >
[05:53] <yancheng> sign
[05:53] <Muhammad> !tell Muhammad skins
[05:53] <Seveas> yancheng, make sure you quote it correctly
[05:54] <yancheng> Seveas: wonderful!
[05:54] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 see me?
[05:54] <VoX> heh
[05:54] <selinium> Seveas: * #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged :Forwarding to another channel * Cannot join #ubuntu-unregged (Channel is invite only).
[05:54] <thrice`> Shikamaroo, of course, just people likely don't know the answer
[05:54] <VoX> well i followed the guide.. didnt change anything
[05:54] <Seveas> Shikamaroo, yes, buy i think no one knows an answer
[05:55] <Seveas> selinium, just fixed that
[05:55] <Shikamaroo> oh...
[05:55] <Muhammad> anyone good with ipb ?
[05:55] <selinium> Seveas: cool
[05:55] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 know how much the mac os 9.1 cd costs?
[05:56] <Answer> google: mac os 9.1 :p
[05:56] <Shikamaroo> >.< lol
[05:57] <cecile> good evening all
[05:57] <caonex> I installed the Amd64 version of Ubuntu and When I boot it freezes after trying to set up hotpluggable devices, any idea? I do not have anything connected in USB, FireWire, etc.
[05:57] <Muhammad> anybody want to buy webdtalk.com ?
[05:57] <Xappe> hmm, when running xcompmgr on my ibook g3 (with radeon 9000 mobile) some apps work fine with dropshadows, but others get yellow shadows sometimes...anyone else seing this?
[05:58] <greenhat> hey
[05:59] <selinium> Seveas Apokryphos: I rebooted, the pc now sees the drive. But it still says it has an invalid partition table? I can use it though :/
[06:00] <apokryphos> selinium: you didn't set it as bootable, did you?
[06:00] <selinium> dazvid: 8)
[06:00] <apokryphos> or "active" (not sure wha tgparted uses)
[06:00] <apokryphos> *what gparted
[06:00] <selinium> apokryphos: dont think so... One mo, may as well do it again!
[06:01] <greenhat> i asked before about installing Ubunntu from windows without a cd and followes the instructions in the Wiki, put i have another problem now. I used this approach https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows using netboot. Is there any way I can use an image I have on an NTFS partiton instead of connecting to a server. The wiki thing tells me you can "se a different kernel and pass some special argument in menu.lst to tell it to boot fr
[06:01] <apokryphos> selinium: this is a new HD, right?
[06:01] <greenhat> sorry bout the long post ;-)
[06:02] <selinium> apokryphos: it is an old, but functioning hd. it had my windows on it.
[06:03] <selinium> apokryphos: this is getting strange! I have just used nautilus to navigate to /media/wiindows/ (the mount point) and created a small text file. But when I go to gparted it says that hdb is not mounted?
[06:04] <v1ru5> greenhat: don't you have a CD drive? :D
[06:04] <apokryphos> selinium: err, it's properly mounted under /media/windows ?
[06:04] <Answer> Question: How to install the Firefox Java plugin?
[06:04] <Seveas> selinium, if /media/windows is not mounted, the file is simply created on the root partition...
[06:04] <icewt> is there some terminal emulator that makes URLs clickable so that they'll open in web browser?
[06:04] <Seveas> Answer, get a java .deb file
[06:05] <Answer> Seveas: I have the jre15.rpm file installed, but Firefox does not see the plugin?
[06:05] <Seveas> Answer, the ones from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl are up-to-date and guaranteed to wirk
[06:05] <Seveas> Answer, eeeeeewwwwwww
[06:05] <apokryphos> Answer: you shouldn't install that.
[06:05] <Seveas> VERY bad idea
[06:05] <Seveas> get rid of it
[06:05] <Answer> that is what firefox does automatically
[06:05] <Seveas> get rid of it again :)
[06:05] <apokryphos> Really? That's a bit evil.
[06:05] <Seveas> firefox ignores the package management system
[06:06] <greenhat> v1ru5 yeah i do but no CD...
[06:06] <Answer> open a page requiring java plugin and it goes to sun's site and selects jre15....rpm
[06:06] <emanuelez> hello!
[06:06] <apokryphos> Answer: there are other options there, for other Linux systems
[06:06] <v1ru5> greenhat: get it sent?
[06:06] <dazvid> quick question on ssh.. in the console, I have connected to my universities server, and want to copy a file from there to my ~
[06:06] <dazvid> whats the syntax to do this?
[06:06] <Seveas> Answer, please remove it and install a jave .deb file from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:06] <apokryphos> Answer: nevertheless, there are repositories with it. No need to do that.
[06:07] <apokryphos> dazvid: you can use scp
[06:07] <darkheart> dazvid 'cp <fileyouwantcopied> <destination>'
[06:07] <emanuelez> how do i install the java bytecode compiler?
[06:07] <apokryphos> dazvid: scp username@universityip:/home/somewhere ~/.
[06:07] <Seveas> emanuelez, grab a jdk deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl :)
[06:07] <greenhat> v1ru5 yeah think i might just do that..; that other whole thing just sounds complicated, although i think it should be possible somehow...
[06:07] <apokryphos> darkheart: not cp ;-)
[06:07] <emanuelez> thx Seveas
[06:07] <Answer> Seveas: what is your Blackbird username and password?
[06:08] <dazvid> thanks apokryphos. darkheart I tried that, and it doesnt work properly.. because it thinks I want to copy it onto the uni server, not my home box
[06:08] <selinium> apokryphos: it didn't give me a choice about the bootable thing
[06:08] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out, im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howt
[06:08] <apokryphos> dazvid: if you use it as I said there, it won't think that.
[06:08] <Muhammad> how to become linux expert ?
[06:08] <Seveas> Answer, msg me one
[06:08] <darkheart> dazvid I misinterpreted the question. I thought you were moving files around remotely.
[06:08] <Seveas> Muhammad, start by reading the rute book
[06:08] <Seveas> !rute
[06:08] <ubotu> from memory, rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[06:08] <dazvid> Ah thats fine darkheart :)
[06:09] <emanuelez> Seveas: it asks me a password :(
[06:09] <Seveas> emanuelez, then /msg me a user/pass combination :)
[06:09] <Muhammad> where can i find good linux themes ?
[06:09] <Seveas> !themes
[06:09] <ubotu> it has been said that themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:09] <Seveas> ahum
[06:10] <apokryphos> selinium: it's a shame there don't seem to be docs on gparted
[06:10] <Seveas> ubotu, no themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:10] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[06:10] <dazvid> apokryphos, that did the trick. thanks :)
[06:10] <apokryphos> it's writtein in C++ though -- that's pretty interesting.
[06:10] <fluffybunny_> how can i optimise whatever file/script/doodad/thingemebob that runs when I boot and/or log in, so that unnecessary things are not running, and my boot time is increased
[06:10] <caonex> I installed the Amd64 version of Ubuntu and When I boot it freezes after trying to set up hotpluggable devices, any idea? I do not have anything connected in USB, FireWire, etc.
[06:10] <apokryphos> selinium: perhaps try qtparted, and if there's an option for botting make sure you don't select it.
[06:10] <Muhammad> !skins
[06:10] <Muhammad> !themes
[06:10] <ubotu> Muhammad: I haven't a clue
[06:10] <ubotu> from memory, themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:10] <bipolar> does the kernel in breezy have the inotify patch?
[06:11] <Seveas> yes bipolar
[06:11] <selinium> apokryphos: lol, it is doing something different this time. botting? not sure I want that :D
[06:11] <bipolar> Seveas, thanks. :)
[06:11] <apokryphos> selinium: eh?
[06:11] <CCFIEL> is there a gui synaptic for xfce?
[06:11] <frans-th> anyone can help me, to get ubuntu src, and compile it and make an .iso, is there a step for this?
[06:11] <Seveas> CCFIEL, synaptic works in xfce too
[06:11] <selinium> apokryphos: I think you meant booting!
[06:11] <Seveas> frans-th, what do you mean? YOu can simply download the iso...
[06:11] <CCFIEL> sevias: ic what is the command for gui synaptic?
[06:12] <apokryphos> selinium: heh, yes, sorry. Typo.
[06:12] <Seveas> synaptic
[06:12] <Seveas> :)
[06:12] <CCFIEL> ok thanks
[06:12] <Answer> Question: Where can I get sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[06:12] <Seveas> or better: gksudo synaptic
[06:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Answer about java
[06:12] <Seveas> Answer, I told you: /msg me a username/password to get access
[06:12] <fluffybunny_> i installed xscreensaver 4.22 from source and now my rss screensavers say "uninstalled", but i reinstalled them (in synaptic) and they still say "uninstalled"
[06:12] <frans-th> Seveas: i dont want the .iso, but i want to know how about develop .iso from src
[06:12] <Muhammad> what is ubuntu , kubuntu
[06:12] <Seveas> kubuntu is ubuntu
[06:13] <apokryphos> hi frans-th :)
[06:13] <Seveas> just with a different set of packages installed by default
[06:13] <Muhammad> edubuntu ?
[06:13] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out, im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howt
[06:13] <Seveas> same story
[06:13] <dazvid> Muhammad, edubuntu is like ubuntu, but its aimed at schools and teachers :)
[06:13] <apokryphos> it's a mixture of gnome and kde edu packages
[06:14] <Seveas> read edubuntu.org / kubuntu.org for detail explanations
[06:14] <dazvid> kubuntu just uses KDE ?
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazvid: as a DE, yes. You can of course install gnome/xfce etc after
[06:14] <dazvid> of course
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazvid: but the iso only really contains ubuntu-base + kubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <dazvid> I think i prefer gnome
[06:15] <dazvid> looks sexier ;)
[06:15] <apokryphos> =)
[06:15] <selinium> dazvid: less like windows! :)
[06:15] <Seveas> !start a desktop war
[06:15] <ubotu> cde is much better than kde!
[06:15] <Seveas> *g*
[06:15] <selinium> *g*
[06:15] <LasseL> hehe
[06:15] <fluffybunny_> i installed xscreensaver 4.22 from source and now my rss screensavers say "uninstalled", but i reinstalled them (in synaptic) and they still say "uninstalled"
[06:16] <dazvid> selinium, I dunno, its still pretty similar. However I think its better :)
[06:16] <LasseL> cde is so ugly that it is kinda cool
[06:16] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:16] <dazvid> I think gnome is                     ^^
[06:16] <Seveas> cde is the most awful DE I ever had to use
[06:16] <dazvid> just to clarify...
[06:16] <Seveas> made me switch to twm very fast :)
[06:16] <Answer> Question: I followed the instructions for adding Repositories, but there is no sun-j2re package in Synaptic (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java)
[06:17] <apokryphos> Answer: make sure you add the hoary-extras repository or the ubuntulinux.nl one
[06:17] <Seveas> Answer, do you ever read what people tell you?
[06:17] <paulw> anyone here that can help with sound problem?
[06:17] <apokryphos> !sound
[06:17] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:17] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:18] <Answer> Seveas: you are not helpful.
[06:18] <Seveas> if problem remains, come back :)
[06:18] <Seveas> Answer, right...
[06:18] <apokryphos> Answer: i.e. add    deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted     ...to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:18] <apokryphos> Answer: I assure you, he is quite helpful. :)
[06:18] <Seveas> read what I said instead of insulting
[06:18] <Seveas> I gave you the instructions 2 time
[06:18] <selinium> apokryphos: I have a partition on hdb1   Hooray!
[06:18] <dazvid> paulw, what problems specifically?
[06:18] <Seveas> selinium, weeeeeeeee :)
[06:19] <apokryphos> selinium: so, let me guess, was that down to qtparted's excellentness? ;-)
[06:19] <GStole> Greets
[06:19] <apokryphos> aloha
[06:20] <dazvid> ah, 2:30. Better sleep some. Goodnight all
[06:20] <bipolar> I'm trying to build the vmware kernel modules on breezy. I cant seem to find a linux-kernel-headers that matches the brezzy kernel. any ideas?
[06:20] <darkheart> dazvid Good night
[06:20] <Muhammad> I have to install java :s
[06:20] <frans-th> anyone can help me to get the how to make an .iso from source...
[06:20] <kbreit> How can I figure out what the deepest dir is on my system (ie. furthest dir from root)
[06:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Muhammad about java
[06:20] <selinium> apokryphos: nope a bit of gparted un-exellence. You issue the commands and thay sit in a buffer. You have to execute them twice.... Once to put them in the buffer then execute them, duh!
[06:21] <apokryphos> oh oO
[06:22] <Answer> Seveas: I am interested in the standard way of installing java, which does not involve messaging you a username and pw...
[06:23] <Answer> apokryphos: Thanks!   deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:24] <Answer> Question: Which is the best web browser?
[06:24] <apokryphos> Answer: the seveas.ubuntulinux.nl is just another repository for the java debs
[06:24] <apokryphos> Answer: Seveas there runs it, so he'd be able to help you access them. But if you've got it working now, then nevermind...
[06:25] <apokryphos> Answer: re: best browser. That depends on who you ask. :) For gnome users Firefox tends to be the most popular; some still use Opera.
[06:25] <Answer> apokryphos: password restricted repositories are not ideal for corporate wide deployment..
[06:25] <apokryphos> I'd recommend trying out both.
[06:25] <Muhammad> !tell Muhammad about java
[06:25] <Muhammad> !java
[06:25] <apokryphos> Answer: it shouldn't be; there was likely a problem.
[06:25] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:25] <osfameron> Opera is non-free, but yummy in some ways
[06:26] <Muhammad> !tell java
[06:26] <apokryphos> Muhammad: the link is there above
[06:26] <meuserj|work> osfameron, agreed.. Opera 8 is an outstanding browser... too bad it is closed source.
[06:26] <CCFIEL> hello pll..
[06:26] <apokryphos> hi
[06:26] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: indeed
[06:27] <Answer> apokryphos: tell me that this link is not password protected http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/restricted/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[06:27] <CCFIEL> how do i symlink /dev/ttySHSFO to /dev/modem so that it could be access the device even not a root
[06:27] <Muhammad> Linux (self-extracting file)
[06:27] <Muhammad> (filesize: 16.6 MB)
[06:27] <Muhammad> that one ?
[06:27] <meuserj|work> sudo ln -s /dev/ttySHSFO /dev/modem
[06:27] <apokryphos> Answer: that's what I'm saying; there's either a problem or that's temporary.
[06:27] <Muhammad> http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp <-- should i install from here ?
[06:27] <apokryphos> Muhammad: please don't paste in here. :)
[06:28] <apokryphos> Muhammad: No. Follow the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:28] <Muhammad> wiki is not loading for me :s
[06:29] <apokryphos> Answer: oh, and Seveas there was asking for a user/pass from you -- that is, one for you to make/decide.
[06:29] <apokryphos> Muhammad: it's up and running. Should be fine.
[06:30] <Answer> apokryphos: corporate wide deployment must be streamlined and use mainstream servers...
[06:30] <Answer> Question: Is there a way to boot from the Install CD .iso saved to /dev/hda2 (/mnt) ?
[06:31] <apokryphos> Answer: corporate wide deployment probably shouldn't use illegal repositories, then :). hoary-extras is technically illegal
[06:31] <apokryphos> I think remaking java debs is actually illegal, itself.
[06:32] <Answer> java is open source, ubuntu is open source, who is going to prosecute?
[06:32] <imnes> How do you configure ACPI events in Ubuntu Breezy?  I'd like to suspend to ram when the laptop lid closes.
[06:32] <apokryphos> Answer: java is not open source.
[06:32] <apokryphos> only some parts are
[06:33] <selinium> apokryphos: When this is all over I will be able to continue flac'ing my CDs!
[06:33] <osfameron> I thought java was freely distributable though ?
[06:33] <apokryphos> 8)
[06:33] <Answer> jre and the firefox plugin are open source.
[06:33] <osfameron> oh, no, it has to come from sun so you can sign the Ts and Cs...
[06:33] <dade`> gnome-phone-manager is broken on breezy
[06:33] <dade`> from MONTHS
[06:33] <Answer> who is going to prosecute for said illegality
[06:33] <imnes> I think you can download the whole JDK's source from sun, but maybe you can't redistribute your own builds?  I'm not sure.
[06:33] <gsuveg> re
[06:33] <apokryphos> Answer: I don't think it is, but I'll look into it later.
[06:34] <apokryphos> Answer: hoary-extras isn't illegal for just that -- it contains other illegal packages,.
[06:34] <Muhammad> http://www.webdtalk.com --- > is that looks a good site ?
[06:34] <Muhammad> and wiki is not working :s
[06:34] <imnes> https://mustang.dev.java.net/ I know you can get java 6 jdk source and binaries from there.
[06:34] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu
[06:34] <Answer> man tar
[06:35] <Answer> man gzip
[06:35] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:35] <apokryphos> Answer: found out: sun's jre is not open source.
[06:35] <endy_x> mik3, 'man zip' :)
[06:35] <nlogax> mik3 zip only zips single files I think
[06:35] <nlogax> so you tar them all into one and then zip it
[06:36] <Answer> mik3: zip -r
[06:36] <mik3> i've looked at the man page i can't interperate the flags
[06:36] <apokryphos> But there are apparently source implementations of java's jre
[06:36] <mik3> ok thanks
[06:36] <daysleper> hi, where is something like /etc/conf.d/local.start in Ubuntu?
[06:36] <Answer> apokryphos: I do not think Sun or Ubuntu will prosecute for installing the Firefox plugin and jre.
[06:36] <Answer> Typically -r flag is for Recursive
[06:37] <apokryphos> Answer: so what? Doesn't make it legal.
[06:37] <Answer> If I can do it for free it is not my responsibility to care about the legality
[06:37] <Answer> I am disturbed that this has even been brought up
[06:37] <apokryphos> Rubbish. Of course it is.
[06:38] <nlogax> sorry I was thinking of gzip before - didn't realise zip did multiple files >-<
[06:38] <darkheart> You an kill someone for free, doesn't make it legal.
[06:38] <Answer> Installing the jre and the firefox plugin is NOT illegal.
[06:38] <crimsun> it is legal to use java-package to unpack the jdk/jre as distributed by sun or ibm onto your system.
[06:39] <__filip_> is it someway i can unmount my swap partition?
[06:39] <Answer> mik3: gzip -r works the same way
[06:39] <crimsun> swapoff -a
[06:39] <imnes> Is ubuntuforums.org down?
[06:39] <Muhammad> php and mysql is already installed on ubuntu
[06:39] <apokryphos> imnes: yes, apparently.
[06:40] <mik3> i gzip'd and tar's this thing i am compressing and it won't unzip on a windows box via winzip so
[06:40] <Muhammad> yes
[06:40] <Muhammad> imnes , same problem with me
[06:40] <apokryphos> crimsun: is it legal to create java packs, however?
[06:40] <apokryphos> redistribute
[06:40] <Answer> mik3: winzip can unzip .gz
[06:41] <mik3> i know it can, thanks, but it won't do it for this package
[06:41] <Answer> mik3: using tar with -z option will filter through gzip
[06:41] <mik3> i've already tried.
[06:41] <mik3> i've already tried.
[06:41] <crimsun> apokryphos: neither sun nor ibm allow redistributing repackaged jdks/jres afaik, hence why java-package is in multiverse
[06:41] <Muhammad> is there a problem with ubuntu servers ?
[06:42] <apokryphos> crimsun: they've been moved out, actually. Only in hoary-extras now.
[06:42] <AzMoo> Has anybody used skype on ubuntu?
[06:42] <CarlFK> AzMoo - I tried.  it kinda worked
[06:42] <Answer> mik3: use zip -r and it should uncompress in windows
[06:43] <CarlFK> AzMoo - then  I found out that there are over 10 opensource phones
[06:43] <__filip_> how can i unmount my swap partition?
[06:43] <nlogax> AzMoo just have to make sure your mic is turned up in the mixer
[06:43] <CarlFK> kphone is in the repos (not sure which)
[06:43] <kyoko> Hi, does anyone know if ubuntu supports having 2 monitors /is this easy / can you have like 1 workspace per monitor ?
[06:43] <apokryphos> __filip_: probably just remove it from fstab and then sudo mount -a
[06:43] <AzMoo> CarlFK, they connect to skype?
[06:43] <Answer> mik3: zip is equivalent to tar with -Z option to filter with 'compress'  (man compress)
[06:43] <__filip_> apokryphos: okej, i will try
[06:44] <CarlFK> AzMoo - none that I know of.  skupe doesn't use SIP (the standard VoIP protocol)
[06:44] <apokryphos> __filip_: best to backup your fstab first. =)
[06:44] <AzMoo> OK, gotta go for the real one then.
[06:44] <CarlFK> AzMoo - or you gota get smarter friends ;)
[06:44] <Answer> haqzor friendz
[06:44] <__filip_> opps
[06:44] <nlogax> AzMoo - also GnomeMeeting can call NetMeeting and vice-versa
[06:44] <__filip_> apokryphos: to late
[06:44] <Muhammad> no one helps me :(
[06:44] <Muhammad> ..
[06:44] <nlogax> Azmoo ... and supports webcams
[06:44] <rp78> how do i install icons from gnome art website
[06:45] <AzMoo> heh, I
[06:45] <Answer> Muhammad: please state your question in one line
[06:45] <AzMoo> I'm not even going to attempt to get these people to change
[06:45] <AzMoo> It wont happen.
[06:45] <kyoko> Hi, does anyone know if ubuntu supports having 2 monitors /is this easy / can you have like 1 workspace per monitor ?
[06:45] <CarlFK> AzMoo - thus the "get new friends" ;)
[06:45] <fdr> hello... I have written some latex sources... is there a console tool for doing the spellcheck? Thank you for the help!
[06:45] <Muhammad> Answer : Ubuntu Wiki dosent load :(
[06:45] <Seveas> fdr, aspell
[06:45] <mypapit> rp78, Preference->Theme->Install Theme and select the Icon tarball
[06:46] <WhiteRabbit> kyoko, nvidia will
[06:46] <nlogax> kyoko yes / not easy but manageable / I think so
[06:46] <Answer> Muhammad: What is the site of the wiki ?
[06:46] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:46] <mypapit> rp78,then close the Theme Manager,  and go back there again, the Icons will be there
[06:46] <nlogax> ubotu tell me about multiple monitors
[06:46] <kyoko> thanks a lot. i got a ATI card will that be a problem ?
[06:46] <AzMoo> CarlFK, I like these friends. They're female.
[06:46] <mik3> zip -r returned zip error: Nothing to do! (oreilly/.zip)
[06:46] <Jojeta> hi! I downloaded openoffice2 from sources, I every doc I'm trying to open make oo crash
[06:46] <Muhammad> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[06:46] <fdr> Seveas : thanks
[06:46] <rp78> wont i encounter errors, im using hoary
[06:47] <AzMoo> But anyway, thanks :)
[06:47] <apokryphos> Muhammad: well, if it doesn't load, what error do you get?
[06:47] <Answer> Muhammad: The Ubuntu Wiki loads fine for me (https://wiki.ubuntu.com//) (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation)
[06:47] <mypapit> rp78, you cant install it? what about other icons from arts.gnome?
[06:47] <poningru> awesome it worked
[06:47] <poningru> thanks Seveas
[06:47] <mypapit> rp78, mine works fine
[06:47] <Muhammad> works now :d
[06:48] <Muhammad> strange :S
[06:48] <rp78> i havent tried it yet, not logged in linux
[06:48] <mypapit> rp78, i see.. you should try it when you logged in.. ;)
[06:49] <Answer> Muhammed: now answer my question:  How to boot from the Install CD .iso?
[06:49] <rp78> what icons are you using, i downloaded dropline
[06:50] <deFrysk> rp78, nice icons
[06:50] <kemik> Answer:  burn it to a CD
[06:50] <Answer> kemik: Without a cd burner, how to boot from the Install CD .iso saved on /dev/hda2 (/mnt) ?
[06:50] <Muhammad> Go to system settings , do the botting settings .... insert the cd
[06:50] <Muhammad> and press enter
[06:50] <CarlFK> AzMoo - I hear this one works good (I havn't tired it yet)
[06:50] <CarlFK> http://www.openwengo.com/
[06:50] <Hoxzer> what could be the problem if I just installed linux and when I login the bar wont appear and I only see my mouse and backgroud
[06:51] <Muhammad> go through the installation steps
[06:51] <Muhammad> voila !
[06:51] <darkheart> Answer Mount it on loopback device and access it that way.
[06:51] <deFrysk> rp78, I use dropline etiquette
[06:51] <Hoxzer> I cant also acces to virtual consoles ;/
[06:51] <deFrysk> together with the standard vlearlooks
[06:51] <kemik> Answer:  not sure you can actually boot with only  a iso-image...
[06:51] <Answer> darkheart: Thank You, that sounds promising.  How to mount the .iso as a loopback device?
[06:51] <deFrysk> *clearlooks
[06:51] <kemik> mount -o loop isoimage.iso /mountpoint
[06:52] <Answer> Thanks.  How to boot from /mountpoint
[06:52] <darkheart> Answer I missed the part about 'boot'
[06:52] <kemik> Answer:  you probably cant do what you're trying to
[06:52] <Answer> FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
[06:52] <kemik> too bad
[06:52] <selinium> apokryphos: Sorry, i will stop bugging you soon, I promise! But now i make fstab  /dev/hdb1     /media/windows	ext3   defaults    0       2  and it will make my new drive the home folder? or do i need to create a home folder on hdb1?
[06:52] <the4bagger> Hey, does anybody here run PengAOL?
[06:52] <apokryphos> Answer: please don't shout.
[06:53] <the4bagger> or perhaps somebody else can fix my problem
[06:53] <Muhammad> I dont know why ubuntu sites are working too slow :S
[06:53] <CarlFK> Answer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:53] <selinium> apokryphos: Changing /media/windows/ for /home
[06:53] <apokryphos> selinium: make sure you mkdir /media/windowsext3 first
[06:54] <the4bagger> PengAol (a linux aol dialer) is trying to use ttys1 as my modem, but is having unsuccessful attempts. My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[06:54] <nlogax> Answer: how about using some kind of VMWare-like system
[06:54] <apokryphos> selinium: so just do this (i) mount hdb1 on /media/something; (ii) mv your current /home to hdb1; (iii) mount hdb1 as /home
[06:54] <PovRayMan> my installer always locks
[06:54] <Answer> CarlFK: Thanks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:55] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:55] <Answer> mik3: zip -R
[06:55] <CarlFK> Answer - I can answer q's about it for the next 10 min, then I am out for about an hour
[06:55] <gnumdk> hello
[06:55] <Answer> CarlFK: Assuming the Install CD .iso is mounted as /bootcd, how to boot from that directory?
[06:56] <Hoxzer> what could be the problem If I just simply login and then the Gnome Desktop bar wont load and I only see my mouse and background. I can't also acces to the virtual consoles with "ctrl+alt+f's"
[06:56] <Answer> Hoxzer: reinstall.
[06:56] <CarlFK> Answer - mounting the iso won't help.
[06:56] <CarlFK> do you have a CD drive?
[06:56] <Hoxzer> Answer......
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer - if you have the cd in a cd drive, but it won't boot from it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:57] <mik3> Answer: neither -r or -R work.
[06:57] <Answer> CarlFK: On many computers there are no cd drives.  But there are network connections to download the ISO.  How to install without burning the CD ?
[06:57] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:57] <nlogax> Hoxzer do you know another user account? can you log into Gnome with it?
[06:57] <selinium> apokryphos: Rebooting, see you on the otherside!
[06:57] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer exactly what you want: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer - but you have to read it ;)
[06:57] <Hoxzer> nlogax: actually I just installed it to that PC so no
[06:58] <apokryphos> selinium: wait :)
[06:58] <ompaul> any suggestions for a low CPU screensaver that is not a blank screen - I need it to show that there is something running on that box
[06:58] <apokryphos> selinium: no need to reboot -- just sudo mount -a
[06:58] <_BIJ_> first of all i got a question concerning breezy... after updating hoary to breezy the xserver is no longer willing to start... what can i do?!?
[06:58] <nlogax> and CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+F2 etc don't work?
[06:58] <Jojeta> why oo2 crashes everytime I open a document, I thought it's pretty stable, what's wrong?
[06:58] <apokryphos> gah
[06:58] <_BIJ_> i want my xserver back :-(
[06:59] <Hoxzer> nlogax: as I said virtual consoles wont work :<
[06:59] <nlogax> _BIJ_ looked at the logs ?
[06:59] <Hoxzer> before login
[06:59] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: breezy is the unstable version; it can break your system. etc etc
[06:59] <nlogax> Hoxzer, just checking you knew how to access them
[06:59] <Answer> CarlFK: Thanks! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:59] <Hoxzer> "before" I meant after
[06:59] <nlogax> I would suggest booting off a liveCD or otherwise mounting your / filesystem
[06:59] <_BIJ_> yes i've looked into the logs...
[06:59] <Hoxzer> virtual consoles work before I login...
[06:59] <Hoxzer> but not after
[06:59] <nlogax> Hoxzer ok, so before you login
[07:00] <_BIJ_> but i do not know what is wrong
[07:00] <Hoxzer> nlogax: do what?
[07:00] <CarlFK> Answer - I never realy finished that page - feel free to pm me wiht Q's even if I am out.  I'll try to get back to you in about  an hour
[07:00] <nlogax> Hoxzer: create a new user on the system from the CLI and then try logging in with it
[07:00] <Hoxzer> ok, will try
[07:00] <nlogax> Hoxzer: but it sounds as if X is locking your system solid
[07:00] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:00] <Hoxzer> adduser was it?
[07:00] <Answer> CarlFK: I will be out for many hours, but I am working on this as an ongoing project for deployment.
[07:00] <nlogax> man adduser
[07:01] <Answer> man useradd
[07:01] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, i've tried this, but no chance...
[07:01] <_BIJ_> breezy wrecked my system
[07:01] <apokryphos> It can do that. Why did you upgrade?
[07:01] <CarlFK> Answer - folow the links to my email - please keep me posted good or bad
[07:01] <f_newton> upgrading is never my recommendation ... to a release version or experimental
[07:02] <nlogax> Hoxzer: also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for evidence of problems
[07:02] <f_newton> too many conflicting libs left laying around
[07:02] <Hoxzer> wait wait....
[07:02] <f_newton> my advice is to make a /home partition and do a clean install leaving home intact
[07:02] <Hoxzer> what was to command to add user?
[07:02] <apokryphos> adduser
[07:02] <f_newton> adduser
[07:02] <Hoxzer> it wont just work
[07:03] <f_newton> Hoxzer, sudo?
[07:03] <Hoxzer> :D oh
[07:03] <nlogax> Hoxzer useradd and adduser both seem to be there - you'll need to use sudo of course
[07:03] <Hoxzer> forgot
[07:03] <f_newton> sudo adduser
[07:03] <f_newton> it took me a while to get used to the disabled root shell as well
[07:03] <nlogax> anyone know the diff betwixt useradd & adduser ?  man pages are different to one another
[07:03] <f_newton> but as far as running stability this ubuntu seems very good
[07:03] <mik3> sudo -r is your friend
[07:03] <selinium> apokrophos: Back but a little broken! I'm in irssi. Could not find home directory
[07:04] <nlogax> mik3 you mean sudo -s ?
[07:04] <f_newton> I gotta get my reading glasses!
[07:04] !lilo:*! Hi all. The NOLA Intel (Interdictor) folks need help. They're looking for volunteers to transcribe the FEMA streams from New Orleans. If you'd like to assist, please come to #nola-intel-help .... thanks!
[07:04] <apokryphos> selinium: What happened?
[07:04] <apokryphos> selinium: gnome couldn't find it?
[07:04] <Hoxzer> well before sudo it stills gives some tips about use of it but doesn't really start anything
[07:04] <selinium> apokryphos: nope
[07:05] <apokryphos> selinium: is it there though? i.e. in /home ?
[07:05] <selinium> could not find /home/james
[07:05] <Hoxzer> ooh.. now
[07:05] <Hoxzer> I thought it was useradd
[07:05] <nlogax> Ah, ok 'adduser' is a friendlier front-end to the useradd program
[07:05] <apokryphos> selinium: you didn't place your old /home into /media/whatever ?
[07:06] <selinium> apokryphos: yes, i did but in the folder home.
[07:06] <apokryphos> ?
[07:06] <the4bagger> PengAol (a linux aol dialer) is trying to use ttys1 as my modem, but is having unsuccessful attempts. My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:07] <apokryphos> selinium: what do you mean?
[07:07] <Hoxzer> ok, seems like it wont give me bars even with new user :E
[07:07] <selinium> apokryphos: I copied the /home folder across, so now i have /home/home/james
[07:07] <selinium> apokryphos: oops
[07:07] <selinium> :)
[07:07] <apokryphos> selinium: oh :). Easy then. Just mv james to /home
[07:07] <nlogax> Hoxzer: yes it sounds like X is dying really badly - did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:08] <selinium> apokryphos: k
[07:08] <nlogax> Hoxzer: also, what changed since your system was working last?
[07:08] <Hoxzer> nlogax: nope
[07:08] <apokryphos> selinium: be careful here. You do *not* want to lose your /home :)
[07:08] <Hoxzer> nlogax: my system hasn't been working
[07:08] <Hoxzer> I just installed it
[07:08] <nlogax> Never?  OK
[07:09] <nlogax> Hoxzer Was it a fresh install to a freshly-formatted partition?
[07:09] <Amaranth> hi
[07:09] <Hoxzer> nlogax: I splitted my HDD in two partions one was my for my XP install 30GB and one for ubuntu 10GB
[07:10] <the4bagger> My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:10] <Muhammad> Amaranth sup !
[07:10] <Hoxzer> I created that partion in install
[07:10] <Hoxzer> maybe I try to reinstall
[07:11] <whyameye> is there a way to restart ALSA? I am getting ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:898:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client
[07:11] <Amaranth> but since i know more HTML/CSS than the teacher, i figure i have some time to kill
[07:11] <nlogax> Hoxzer - what sort of vid car you got?
[07:11] <apokryphos> Amaranth: you dark horse you
[07:11] <selinium> apokryphos: going for another reboot! I saw you try to stop me just as the window shut down last time! So i will wait a little longer this time! :)
[07:11] <apokryphos> Amaranth: haven't yet seen a good ICT teacher, unfortunately.
[07:11] <GoClick> So the boss oked it, our product will officialy be deployed on Ubuntu machines instead of RedHat, Ubuntu 1, RedHat 0
[07:11] <Hoxzer> nlogax: 6800 le @ 6800
[07:12] <Hoxzer> its working fine in XP
[07:12] <apokryphos> selinium: you can just sudo mount -a
[07:12] <apokryphos> selinium: no need to reboot
[07:12] <selinium> k
[07:12] <f_newton> what product is that?
[07:13] <GoClick> It's an Intranet web application
[07:13] <nlogax> Hoxzer do you know how to switch to our private channel? (query) ?
[07:13] <GoClick> Basicaly it's glue
[07:13] <Hoxzer> no
[07:13] <selinium> apokryphos: xsession errors. :(
[07:13] <Dalkus> hi, I connected a laser mouse to my box runing ubuntu hoary and it worked without a re-login, however the mousewheel dosn't function - what can I do to configure it?
[07:13] <f_newton> it would make more sense, imho, to make linux apps available on all linux platforms both deb based and rpm based
[07:13] <Hoxzer> oh yeas :D
[07:13] <nlogax> Hoxzer, what IRC prog u using ?
[07:13] <apokryphos> selinium: what is it?
[07:13] <GoClick> f_newton well we deploy the servers too so it doesn't matter
[07:14] <fizzle> hey i need some help. i installed ubuntu on my desktop comp and when i go into linux it loads everything up then the screen goes black. it may be Xorg but im not sure. anyone/
[07:14] <f_newton> I am not convinced I would want to use ubuntu as a server system
[07:14] <f_newton> its a great desktop
[07:14] <GoClick> f_newton it runs Apache just fine
[07:14] <elver> What Ubuntu package has gnomeconf.sh? A package I'm trying to build can't find it.
[07:14] <GoClick> f_newton It does what we need it to do, and these machines never touch the Internet anyways
[07:14] <RichardC> is it recommended to use the x86 release or the x86_64 release of ubuntu with my athlon 64?
[07:14] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out
[07:14] <Sav^> Im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howto i followed is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46536&highlight=8103
[07:15] <whyameye> how do I restart ALSA?
[07:15] <selinium> apokryphos: window open for less than 10 secs
[07:15] <wastrel> i forgot my password - what do i do to reset it :] 
[07:15] <fizzle> umm ive installed ubuntu and it loads the kernel and all the services but the screen just goes blank with a blinking underscore
[07:15] <fizzle> anyoner/
[07:15] <apokryphos> selinium: and what error do you get?
[07:16] <f_newton> GoClick, so far nothing that you've said makes much of an argument eithe way... there are security issues by being in the wild but an intranet can be just as challenging as internet
[07:16] <gnumdk> can i have the result of apt-cache policy libxt6 on hoary?
[07:16] <selinium> can i pm it?
[07:16] <f_newton> however congratulations on your implementation
[07:16] <the4bagger> My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:16] <apokryphos> selinium: to me? Sure.
[07:16] <GoClick> f_newton I'd hardly say it's the same
[07:17] <wastrel> gnumdk, #flood
[07:17] <f_newton> lol ok
[07:17] <selinium> ok not sure how it works in irssi but here goes!
[07:18] <GoClick> f_newton in an offices with only 10 people whom none of which are technical in any way, I'd say there is little risk of something going wrong. They log into the Intranet and enter data make phone calls enter more data make charts and graphs and go home
[07:18] <selinium> A
[07:19] <f_newton> if I had a room full of windows monkeys using computers I would install ubuntu on the desktops but I would still either use rhel or centOS as a server os
[07:19] <PovRayMan> ok i installed ubuntu
[07:19] <PovRayMan> only problem is i'm at a command prompt
[07:19] <PovRayMan> how do i make X or whatever startup
[07:19] <wastrel> how do i reset my password, i forgot it.  normally i'd drop to root and reset, but i haven't set a root pw yet.
[07:19] <PovRayMan> the livecd made this work just fine
[07:19] <f_newton> that is a decision based on experience and familiarity not a knock on ubuntu
[07:19] <apokryphos> wastrel: there's no root in ubuntu.
[07:19] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell wastrel about root
[07:19] <GoClick> gtg
[07:20] <apokryphos> well, there is, but the pass is scrambled, rather.
[07:20] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: something is not right, Ubuntu boots into x.org after an install
[07:20] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: startx
[07:20] <PovRayMan> hmmm crap
[07:20] <PovRayMan> startx command not found
[07:20] <DJWillis> try startx ;-)
[07:20] <DJWillis> ahh
[07:20] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: err, did you do a server install?
[07:20] <PovRayMan> i had to use custom-expert install
[07:20] <wastrel> apok: i'm aware of that but i'm asking how to reset my user password, which i have forgotten
[07:20] <f_newton> wastrel, the root shell is disabled by default in ubuntu.  It can be activated but security reasons are good enough for it to remain disabled
[07:20] <PovRayMan> from this warty 4.10 cd
[07:21] <wastrel> f_newton i'm ask8ing about my user password,
[07:21] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: upgrade to hoary
[07:21] <PovRayMan> for some reason any normal simple way to install ubutntu it freezes
[07:21] <f_newton> ahhh...
[07:21] <PovRayMan> i can't
[07:21] <PovRayMan> no more cds
[07:21] <PovRayMan> so i'm using this
[07:21] <f_newton> wastrel let me check
[07:21] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you have net on there, no/
[07:21] <PovRayMan> not yet
[07:21] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: Horty REALLY is worth the effort.
[07:21] <PovRayMan> does horty do anything to the insatller that would make it work while this locks up under normal pretenses?
[07:21] <f_newton> wastrel , system/administration/users and groups
[07:22] <DJWillis> laptops, yep, loads better IMHO
[07:22] <PovRayMan> this is an old computer
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: if you just want to get ubuntu running on warty... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <PovRayMan> pentium2, 192mb ram
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: though, you should upgrade to Hoary.
[07:22] <PovRayMan> man all i want is aim/irc
[07:22] <nlogax> wastrel: boot a live CD, mount your Ubuntu / filesystem and edit /etc/passwd
[07:22] <PovRayMan> and happy gnome
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: some here are not even on hoary, but on Breezy :)  (the version after Hoary)
[07:22] <f_newton> PovRayMan, that will work but it will be slow
[07:22] <DJWillis> hmmm, not really then I guess, tried other distros on it?
[07:22] <the4bagger> what is the linux address for the 2nd pci slot on your computer?
[07:22] <PovRayMan> nah
[07:23] <PovRayMan> the live cd was plenty speedy
[07:23] <f_newton> the4bagger, try lspci
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: do that command I told you; it'll get you up-and-running
[07:23] <PovRayMan> apokryphos not on the network
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: ok, insert the CD then
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: do you still have the Warty CD?
[07:23] <PovRayMan> oh crap hold on
[07:23] <PovRayMan> i think you fixed me
[07:23] <wastrel> kthx bye
[07:23] <PovRayMan> i thought apt-get was that internet command to download stuff
[07:23] <VoX> are the ubuntuforums down?
[07:24] <PovRayMan> i'm a linux newbie at best
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: APT is the package management system
[07:24] <PovRayMan> during the install i told the cd to move all the packages to the harddisc
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you can use it to grab packages, either from a CD or from the Internet.
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: erm, ok...
[07:24] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: packages can be on any medium, HDD, CD, NET etc.
[07:24] <the4bagger> f_newton, i just need to know the path to it ex: /dev/ttys1
[07:24] <HappyFool> greetings all
[07:24] <PovRayMan> ok its asking for the cd
[07:24] <PovRayMan> now its working!
[07:24] <apokryphos> go for it
[07:24] <f_newton> doesnt lspci give you the path?
[07:24] <thrice`> breezy running strong
[07:24] <PovRayMan> thanks for explaining apt-get
[07:25] <apokryphos> no problem
[07:25] <PovRayMan> hmm 0% working, come on 1%
[07:25] <apokryphos> heh
[07:25] <selinium> Back!
[07:25] <the4bagger> f_newton, i will have to restart the pc to do that command, and lspci give a wrather long list that i dont know how to scroll up on
[07:25] <apokryphos> selinium: what happened?
[07:25] <PovRayMan> hmm its awfully quiet..
[07:25] <f_newton> the4bagger, restart the machine?  what are you talking about?
[07:25] <PovRayMan> fuck, kernel panic :(
[07:25] <thrice`> though breezy is pretty damn slow =] 
[07:26] <the4bagger> f_newton, im running a dual boot system and im on windows right now
[07:26] <apokryphos> eh?
[07:26] <selinium> apokryphos: I had some chmod/chown issues. Sorted them now back!
[07:26] <apokryphos> thrice`: first thing I noticed about breezy was the increase in speed
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i just got a kernel panic, not its dead
[07:26] <rob_p> VoX:  They seem to be down... again!
[07:26] <Muhammad> raising over $30,000 in under nine hours .. by somethingawful.com .. then paypal freezed the account !!
[07:26] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: did you not do the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[07:26] <PovRayMan> <-- from somethingawful
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i did that apokryphos
[07:26] <nlogax> Does Ubotu know about changing to the VESA driver?
[07:26] <PovRayMan> and it started to go, then paniced
[07:26] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you could just re-insert the warty CD and install it again
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i just did that
[07:26] <__filip_> i have 2 unallocated partitions, how can i make them to one partition?
[07:26] <apokryphos> selinium: and is gnome etc up-and-running?
[07:27] <PovRayMan> i got this before
[07:27] <f_newton> I see ... well that is a problem then... but generally your hardware is assigned id numbers based on its position in the line up not position on the pci slot, but I could be wrong... in any case first is 0 second is 1 and so on
[07:27] <apokryphos> __filip_: mount them in fstab
[07:27] <PovRayMan> anytime it wanted to automatically figure itself out and do the install it would panic and lock dead
[07:27] <rob_p> VoX:  They really do seem to be down an awful lot :-(
[07:27] <pef> have to go, bye !
[07:27] <__filip_> apokryphos: how can i do that?
[07:27] <the4bagger> f_newton, so my 2nd pci device would be labeled ttys1?
[07:27] <apokryphos> __filip_: what is the fs type?
[07:27] <PovRayMan> only when i did custom-expert and then disabled ALL the ide drivers EXCEPT the generic and the linux one did ubuntu actually work
[07:27] <LoneNightCrawler> hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu.. and I'm wondering how I can install DVD support?
[07:27] <f_newton> is it a ttys?
[07:28] <selinium> apokryphos: Yep!
[07:28] <apokryphos> excellent =)
[07:28] <f_newton> what did your ppp app id it as?
[07:28] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: Hmmm, an old P2 you say, is ACPI enabled in the BIOS? That may need to be OFF to get a good install on old kit like that as a lot of older PC's have fubar ACPI implementations
[07:28] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: ok i'm on it
[07:28] <the4bagger> f_newton, when I set up PengAOL it used ttys1, but i dont think that is the correct path
[07:28] <selinium> apokryphos: I may have been a bit heavy handed in my chmod'ing though. I chmod -R 0755 my folder.
[07:28] <PovRayMan> is it ok to reboot in the middle of linux loadign?
[07:28] <__filip_> apokryphos: hda7 and hda4 is the partition i whant to make to one.
[07:28] <nlogax> LoneNightCrawler - I found out how to do it on Ubuntuguide.org - although I'm not supposed to suggest you go there
[07:29] <apokryphos> selinium: that's ok, if you don't want group to write. You can chown recursive, too.
[07:29] <apokryphos> __filip_: yes, what is the filesystem type? vfat, ntfs?
[07:29] <f_newton> the4bagger, what kind of a modem is it?  its a winmodem isnt it?  unless youve got something like a linuxant driver loaded its not going to work
[07:29] <selinium> apokryphos: I did, all me:me lol
[07:29] <apokryphos> 8)
[07:29] <__filip_> now is it nothing. but i whant to make them as ext3.
[07:29] <the4bagger> mmmk, how do i get linuxant?
[07:29] <the4bagger> im pretty sure its a conexant winmodem
[07:30] <apokryphos> __filip_: you will first need to format them, then. Use gparted or qtparted for that
[07:30] <selinium> apokryphos: THankyou for all your help, you have been fantastic! You too Seveas! :)
[07:30] <nlogax> LoneNightCrawler - look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <__filip_> apokryphos Okej.
[07:30] <f_newton> conexant?  good luck
[07:30] <apokryphos> selinium: sure :)
[07:30] <mik3> if i control + c an apt-get upgrade can i continue it later?
[07:30] <f_newton> my advice go buy a real modem (external serial port modem with a controller)
[07:31] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: If I don't see ACPI in bios, how can i fix this otherwise
[07:31] <apokryphos> mik3: yes
[07:31] <__filip_> apokryphos: Now have I format them, what is next?
[07:31] <apokryphos> mik3: though it may have unfinished things.
[07:31] <apokryphos> __filip_: erm, that was pretty quick. Are you sure you properly formated and commited changes?
[07:31] <mik3> oh
[07:32] <__filip_> apokryphos: Yes I am sure I have done that.
[07:32] <apokryphos> __filip_: ok then; just put in an entry in fstab for the respective partitions then.
[07:32] <PeaceMakr> anyone ever managed to get iburst working?
[07:33] <nlogax> ubotu tell me about restrictedformats
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: structure it like this:   /dev/hdxX       /some/directory           ext3    defaults        0       2
[07:33] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: as far as I can see, there is no option for ACPI in bios :(
[07:33] <f_newton> the4bagger, the problem with controllerless modems is they use a windows script to enable the processor to provide the actual modem function.  Linux is NOT windoes
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: But I whant to make them to one partition.
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: you want them to be one partition?
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: yupp
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: then you should have deleted the partitions, then formated them as one partition.
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: How can i make that in GParted?
[07:34] <__filip_> apokryphos: format them as one
[07:34] <apokryphos> __filip_: if you first delete the partitions, then they should be grouped together as unallocated space or something
[07:34] <selinium> apokryphos: Just one little problem. Value for `/apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run' set in a read-only  I cant find it to change it!
[07:34] <apokryphos> __filip_: always be careful when using a partition manager, though. :)
[07:34] <__filip_> apokryphos: Nupp, they are not togheter.
[07:35] <apokryphos> __filip_: there are multiple unallocated spaces? :/
[07:35] <__filip_> apokryphos: yes
[07:35] <apokryphos> selinium: it tells you the path, doesn't it?
[07:35] <tommi^> Hi. Does my hoary know how to write NTFS properly and use the linux user / groups id's etc. on it?
[07:35] <apokryphos> __filip_: are the two partitions between others on the HD or something?
[07:36] <selinium> apokryphos: But where is the apps folder?
[07:36] <apokryphos> selinium: not sure how gnome stuff is structured, but, try doing a locate for history-gnome-run
[07:36] <__filip_> apokryphos: I have one harddrive, and the partitions i whant to make togeheter is hda7 and hda4
[07:36] <apokryphos> selinium: you'll have to sudo updatedb if you havent' done so recently
[07:37] <apokryphos> __filip_: ah, so they are in between others. I don't think it's easily possible, then.
[07:37] <__filip_> yes
[07:37] <selinium> apokryphos: Nope, what does that do?
[07:37] <apokryphos> selinium: sudo updatedb will update the cache DB for locate to use. Try sudo updatedb && locate history-gnome-run
[07:38] <selinium> Cheers
[07:38] <PovRayMan> ok so ubuntu here is kernel panicing on me.  I can't disable acpi in bios.  How do I kill acpi in linux so it stops freaking out?
[07:38] <selinium> apokryphos: Does updatedb take long? It is on my machine!
[07:38] <apokryphos> yes
[07:39] <Xen`> can anyone suggest a pci wireless lan card that is supported by ubuntu out of the box (so not prism2 based, i cant get my prism2 based card working for the life of me)
[07:39] <apokryphos> selinium: Quite some time
[07:39] <__filip_> apokryphos Now i think i know the problems. One is primary and one is Logical.
[07:39] <selinium> apokryphos: Gnome has just gone :(   ROFL
[07:39] <apokryphos> selinium: eh?
[07:39] <emile> PovRayMan: i guess you can stop it with /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[07:39] <srid> is it safe to upgrade to breezy now?
[07:40] <apokryphos> srid: not really
[07:40] <PovRayMan> emile: where do i do this
[07:40] <rp78> how do i configure serial mouse
[07:40] <selinium> apokryphos: It's back now! I swear I am not winding you up!
[07:40] <srid> apokryphos: but it is close to release :/
[07:40] <thellama> hi
[07:40] <emile> PovRayMan: i a terminal window, mind putting sudo in front of  it
[07:40] <apokryphos> selinium: 8)
[07:40] <__filip_> apokryphos: You think that is the problem?
[07:40] <PovRayMan> will it stay stopped
[07:40] <PovRayMan> or will i have to do it everytime
[07:40] <apokryphos> srid: still a month away. You can try, but it can still break your system.
[07:41] <srid> apokryphos: should I join any mailing list for tracking problems?
[07:41] <emile> PovRayMan: this is not the permanent solution, i dont know about that (yet)
[07:41] <apokryphos> __filip_: probably not. When you delete the partition it loses such properties, I would have thought.
[07:41] <PovRayMan> ok thanks i'm going to see if this will work out now
[07:41] <apokryphos> srid: you could join the ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[07:41] <thellama> firefox widgets are way to ugly and windows 2000, how do I correct them? For OSX theres an app called firefoxy...
[07:41] <__filip_> apokryphos: Okej
[07:42] <__filip_> Is it someone more in here that know how i can make 2 partitions to 1?
[07:42] <apokryphos> __filip_: for them to be one the other partitions would have to be "shuvd" over
[07:42] <apokryphos> which isn't really going to happen
[07:43] <__filip_> apokryphos: In windows is that no problems.
[07:43] <the4bagger> f_newton, My modem is a lucent win modem
[07:43] <PovRayMan> emile: hmm it told me command not found
[07:44] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you got loads of problems; really, since you haven't actually done anything with the current one, it's worth reinstalling and doing a default installation.
[07:44] <f_newton> the4bagger, lucent modems have a chance with linmodem or linuxant
[07:44] <PovRayMan> that's the problem
[07:44] <f_newton> try linmodem.org
[07:44] <PovRayMan> default installation locks up with a kernel panic
[07:44] <tommi^> If I encrypt a partition, should I partition it as ext2, ext3 or as reiserfs? The ubuntu wiki example uses reiserfs, is there a significant purpose in it?
[07:44] <PovRayMan> i've gotten so much further by doing custom-expert
[07:44] <f_newton> the lucent chipset includes the radio
[07:44] <f_newton> that may work
[07:45] <__filip_> I have one more question, what should i write if i whant to add an swap space to fstab?
[07:45] <thellama> how could I open a .sit?
[07:45] <f_newton> radio wrong term
[07:45] <wastrel> stuffit expander
[07:45] <wastrel> i believe there's a linux version
[07:45] <the4bagger> f_newton, how can i determine the chipset under windows?
[07:46] <PovRayMan> ok i'm downloading 5.04
[07:46] <f_newton> you just told me it was a lucent chipset
[07:46] <Quinthius> __filip_: if swap is on, say, /dev/hdb5, you would do something like this: /dev/hdb5 none swap sw 0 0
[07:46] <thellama> wastrel: thanks
[07:46] <the4bagger> yes
[07:46] <selinium> apokyphos: I just went to  'Run Application' and all applications are greyed out... :(
[07:46] <__filip_> okej
[07:46] <f_newton> in windows you can use the device manager to see what modem it is
[07:46] <f_newton> it will tell you
[07:46] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Hi, how is your setup going?
[07:46] <thellama> why is there evolution mail and evolution when they're the exact same thing?
[07:46] <PovRayMan> is 5.04 what i want?
[07:46] <apokryphos> yes
[07:47] <PovRayMan> i'm getting a nice solid 800k/sec
[07:47] <f_newton> thats the latest release ver
[07:47] <PovRayMan> i love comcast!
[07:47] <apokryphos> selinium: if you type the application in konsole what does it say?
[07:47] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, i went back to knoppix
[07:47] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, terminal I mean
[07:47] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Why?
[07:47] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, because i was tired of troubleshooting ubuntu for 4 days straight
[07:48] <fizzle> my xorg is borked :(
[07:48] <f_newton> the4bagger, ubuntu needs very little trouble shooting
[07:48] <PovRayMan> ubuntu live cd works so great
[07:48] <PovRayMan> but the installer is just a headache :(
[07:48] <f_newton>  it seems to work well right out of the box
[07:48] <selinium> apokryphos, thanks for the tab tip! It comes up with the same error. gnome-settings
[07:48] <f_newton> what were your problems
[07:48] <f_newton> ?
[07:48] <thellama> whats the difference between evolution mail and evolution?
[07:48] <PovRayMan> stupid machine needs to learn how to run it locally
[07:48] <f_newton> none
[07:48] <nlogax> They shouldn't teach Evolution in schools
[07:48] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: :) Well you might want to try mandriva. It has got easier setup tools. Well, atleast Mandrake had when I tried it. I'm going to burn it down after I've done some work to my fstable scheme.
[07:48] <thellama> so why are there two panel buttons?
[07:48] <f_newton> its just two entries in the menu
[07:48] <thellama> nlogax: why?
[07:48] <f_newton> does it bother you thellama ?
[07:48] <f_newton> delete one
[07:48] <nlogax> sorry, joke :-)
[07:48] <thellama> okay
[07:48] <thellama> ;)
[07:49] <PeaceMakr> has anyone managed to make iburst run in ubuntu OR any other distro?
[07:49] <thellama> but why do they have different icons in breezy?
[07:49] <f_newton> they do in hoary too
[07:49] <thellama> so why?
[07:49] <f_newton> its because its clasified as officed and as internet
[07:49] <thellama> ah
[07:49] <PovRayMan> 1 blank cd left, 5.04 better install all happylike or else :(
[07:49] <selinium> apokryphos, locate didn't find it.. I started it at /  does it need locate *history-gnome-run* /  ?
[07:50] <thellama> I think they should remove one icon, it's too confusing :D
[07:50] <f_newton> thellama, actually I worry about that statement...
[07:50] <the4bagger> f_newton, can we talk about it in PM? its wrather lengthly
[07:50] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[07:50] <apokryphos> selinium: sorry about that, I was disconnected. I would've missed any messages you posted...
[07:50] <thellama> hehe
[07:50] <f_newton> no thanks the4
[07:50] <f_newton> the4bagger, I dont do pm
[07:50] <PovRayMan> nlogax: i'm broke
[07:50] <selinium> apokryphos, no probs  locate didn't find it.. I started it at /  does it need locate *history-gnome-run* /  ?
[07:51] <the4bagger> ok, i guess i can try to shorten it up in here then
[07:51] <f_newton> the4bagger, join me in #pre-school
[07:51] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone here got WINE running with any application which uses the system tray?
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: nope; just locate {fielname}
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: what happens when you type an application in Terminal?
[07:51] <selinium> apokryphos, it didn't find it!
[07:51] <thellama> they say breezy has a boot thingy... or no boot text?
[07:51] <Quinthius> thellama: i haven't bothered running them, but i assume "Evolution Mail" is just the mail client, while "Evolution" is the full suite...
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: what does it say exactly?
[07:51] <m0biu5> My Uni wants me to use MS Visual C++, but I don't hae windows - anyone have a good C++ compiler replacement?
[07:51] <Zotnix> thellama: It shows a picture and some text
[07:51] <Zotnix> But not as spammy
[07:52] <Zotnix> and a progress bar of the bootup process
[07:52] <Quinthius> m0biu5: g++ :P
[07:52] <apokryphos> selinium: it doesn't really make sense, since if programs didn't run, then gnome etc wouldn't work; it's a collection of programs.
[07:52] <selinium> apokryphos, it fine, no errors!
[07:52] <apokryphos> eh?
[07:52] <Belutz> new gnome is out today right???
[07:53] <nlogax> Gnome 2.12 is released 7 September so if you're in NZ then yes it's today
[07:53] <selinium> apokryphos, Got me baffled! I haven't deleted the old /home folder yet. But that shouldn't cause problems should it?
[07:53] <nlogax> over this side of the world, it's tomorrow
[07:53] <Belutz> nlogax: i'm in indonesia
[07:53] <chrisbudden14> is www.ubuntuforums.org down?
[07:54] <Belutz> new gnome is the greatest bday present for me :D
[07:54] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, where exactly is the old /home folder then?
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: when is your birthday?
[07:54] <nlogax> Belutz :-) and happy birthday
[07:54] <Belutz> Quinthius: 7 sept :)
[07:54] <ilba7r> !x window library
[07:54] <ubotu> ilba7r: Are you smoking crack?
[07:54] <Belutz> nlogax: thx :)
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: hehe, mine too. what year?
[07:54] <selinium> apokryphos, If i use gnome to open an app, it complains but still opens the app. no complaint in term.  /home on hda1
[07:54] <ilba7r> ok any one know what is the package for xwindow library and headers
[07:54] <Belutz> Quinthius: 1978, u?
[07:54] <ilba7r> !info x window library
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: ahh, few years diff... 1981
[07:55] <Belutz> Quinthius: happy bday to you :)
[07:55] <thellama> why dont I see the boot picture? im in breezy?
[07:55] <apokryphos> selinium: how exactly are you accessing that /home though?
[07:55] <Quinthius> Belutz: happy birthday to you too! :P
[07:55] <nlogax> thellama I think that was only added in Colony 4 which released yesterday
[07:55] <selinium> apokryphos, mounting it from hdb1
[07:55] <Belutz> Quinthius: thx :)
[07:55] <ilba7r> ! compiling from source
[07:55] <ubotu> ilba7r: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:55] <chrisbudden14> is the ubuntu forum down?
[07:55] <rob_p> chrisbudden14:  It was when I tried about 20 minutes ago...
[07:55] <nlogax> chrisbudden14 yes
[07:55] <thellama> nlogax: will i see it in synaptic>?
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> ok good
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> not just me then
[07:56] <selinium> apokryphos, mounting it from hdb1 in fstab
[07:56] <apokryphos> selinium: I dont' see how that works, but it definitely shouldn't exist, especially if you're specifying /home in fstab to go to hdb1
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> thanks rob_p and nlogax
[07:56] <apokryphos> selinium: but you said the *old* /home you're accessing. How?
[07:56] <nlogax> thellama - not sure sorry
[07:57] <thellama> it fine, thanks :)
[07:57] <Xappe> thellama: you have an ibook right? as far as I know there is no usplash (boot image) for ppc yet...but I might be wrong, though I have not found one
[07:57] <thellama> Xappe: aww man...
[07:57] <selinium> apokryphos, I am not accessong it, but it is still on hda1
[07:57] <selinium> *accessing
[07:57] <apokryphos> ok, nevermind then.
[07:57] <thellama> oh well, boot text doesn't  bother me, it just scares the others
[07:58] <thellama> especially when they see "network time: FAIL"
[07:58] <apokryphos> thellama: what's the problem?
[07:58] <thellama> huh?
[07:58] <thellama> oh
[07:58] <thellama> I have an ibook
[07:58] <thellama> bo usplash
[07:58] <Xappe> thellama: it was you who got composite running yesterday, right?
[07:58] <thellama> *no
[07:58] <apokryphos> thellama: breezy?
[07:58] <thellama> Xappe: yeah!
[07:58] <thellama> yes, breezy
[07:58] <apokryphos> There's an option you have to enable for that
[07:58] <thellama> oh
[07:58] <apokryphos> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009741.html
[07:58] <thellama> even on ppc?
[07:58] <apokryphos> I presume it's the same, yes.
[07:59] <thellama> okie dokey
[07:59] <Xappe> thellama: well, I tried compolsiting some deopshadows, but they, most of the time, turn yellow on me...
[07:59] <Xappe> :/
[08:00] <apokryphos> Suffice it to say, composite effects are not quite perfected. =)
[08:00] <argazoon> what is the best manual for a noob like me to read.  I've installed ubuntu and set up apache 2.0, but I can't figure out how to administrate apache as far as usr rights etc.
[08:00] <apokryphos> argazoon: the wiki is pretty good, as is the rute manual
[08:00] <Xappe> apokryphos: so true but yet so sad :)
[08:00] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell argazoon about rute
[08:01] <argazoon> thanks apokryhos
[08:01] <nlogax> ubotu: tell me about rute
[08:01] <thellama> ubotu: give me some cheese
[08:01] <ubotu> thellama: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:02] <thellama> ubotu: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:02] <ubotu> thellama: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:02] <Xappe> sudo apt-cache search usplash returns nothing on my ibook :/
[08:02] <thellama> hmm
[08:02] <nlogax> !snackbot
[08:02] <ubotu> nlogax: What?
[08:02] <apokryphos> On Holiday for a week so I guess I'll see you all then. Adieu. :)
[08:02] <nlogax> !botsnack
[08:02] <ubotu> thanks nlogax :)
[08:02] <thellama> g2g
[08:02] <nlogax> someone should tell Ubotu that RUTE has moved to http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
[08:02] <Hoxzer> :)
[08:03] <argazoon> thanks again... I'll be back after I read all of rute :)
[08:03] <Hoxzer> is there any pinds for change of desktops?
[08:03] <chrisbudden14> How would i mount a SD/MMC card reader built into my laptop?
[08:04] <selinium> apokryphos: I jave to go out now. Thanks for all your help!
[08:04] <PovRayMan> ok here we go
[08:05] <PovRayMan> going to install 5.04
[08:05] <Hoxzer> how do I moun HDD?
[08:06] <Quinthius> Amaranth: hah, is that how it's going to be?
[08:06] <PovRayMan> haha nice Amaranth
[08:06] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:06] <Amaranth> Quinthius: I dunno, some people have valid reasons for having a black background.
[08:07] <srid> i wonder whether my hard disk shock absorber in Thinkpad is usable in Ubuntu :-/
[08:07] <Amaranth> i thought that was all in hardware, no software
[08:07] <Quinthius> Amaranth: oh, ninjas is a reference to that i guess?
[08:07] <darksatanic> srid: Unlikely. The kernel people are still discussing the best way of doing it.
[08:08] <Amaranth> Quinthius: No, I think that's just andy's sense of humor. :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> Quinthius: But there is a reason the Windows XP boot screen is black
[08:08] <Quinthius> Amaranth: ah hehe. well, i was asking if that text is gonna be there when breezy is released or whatever
[08:09] <Amaranth> Quinthius: It isn't there now?
[08:09] <Quinthius> Amaranth: hell if i know, not using breezy :)
[08:09] <tommi^> How do I find out what programs are accessing partition x?
[08:09] <Amaranth> Quinthius: I only used the first version of usplash, they've gotten a lot more done sense then.
[08:09] <nlogax> tommi^ I would use lsof output against df to see which files were where
[08:10] <nlogax> lsof = list open files
[08:10] <tommi^> nlogax, I'll try, thanks
[08:10] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:11] <icewt> !language
[08:11] <ubotu> icewt: I give up, what is it?
[08:12] <sanketmedhi> hello
[08:12] <icewt> is it possible to change the language after ubuntu has been installed?
[08:12] <codomaniac> breezy is safe now ?
[08:12] <sanketmedhi> yes if it is installed
[08:13] <VoX> codomaniac: im using it now, not having any issues
[08:13] <ui> !ping
[08:13] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, ui.
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> lol
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> hi ubotu
[08:13] <codomaniac> VoX, i meant is it stable now ?
[08:13] <ui> ubotu is a bot
[08:13] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ui
[08:13] <ui> :P
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> i know
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> :P
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> ubotu rocks! :P
[08:14] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Not a clue
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> hehe
[08:14] <VoX> codomaniac: dunno
[08:14] <codomaniac> okay id wait then.
[08:14] <VoX> why?
[08:14] <Amaranth> icewt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:14] <codomaniac> whats the improvements in breezy than hoary ? VoX ?
[08:14] <Amaranth> codomaniac: too many to list
[08:14] <icewt> Amaranth, ok, thanks
[08:15] <codomaniac> Amaranth, mention some please ?
[08:15] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, welcome
[08:15] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted    can anyone help me with this
[08:15] <Amaranth> codomaniac: all of the improvements in every piece of software ubuntu includes would have to be listed and just the ones in GNOME 2.12 are probably too numerous to mention
[08:15] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, stupid nick :P
[08:15] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, say hi to floyd_n_milan
[08:15] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Wish i knew
[08:15] <floyd_n_milan> ubotu, hello
[08:15] <ubotu> niihau, floyd_n_milan
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> what lang is tht ubotu?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> ubotu?
[08:16] <icewt> Amaranth, so that affects to gnome etc. , changes the language pack?
[08:16] <codomaniac> Amaranth, i know. Okay what version of KDE is there ?
[08:16] <Amaranth> codomaniac: much better laptop support, better probing for resolutions, more various laptop and video related things, GNOME 2.12 (see their release notes), usplash, and a bunch of geekier things :)
[08:16] <sgarrity> anyone else run into a "I could not start your session and so I have started the failsafe xterm session..." after login in Breezy?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, floyd_n_milan wants to talk
[08:16] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Are you smoking crack?
[08:16] <Amaranth> codomaniac: what's the latest version?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> no :P
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, no
[08:17] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, ubotu is a bot
[08:17] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:17] <codomaniac> Amaranth, so it is kde 3.4 ?
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> oye Seveas, y did u
[08:17] <Amaranth> icewt: If it doesn't I think there is a GNOME capplet (in System->Preferences) for it
[08:17] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, i had figured it out already ;)
[08:17] <Amaranth> icewt: but i'm on XP right now so i couldn't tell you
[08:17] <darksatanic> Is there any way of making the Live CD boot (a) quickly, and (b) into a text-mode console?
[08:17] <Amaranth> codomaniac: afaik, yes
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, i was trying to foll floyd_n_milan  :P
[08:17] <codomaniac> okay Amaranth
[08:17] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, don't
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, isnt it cool?
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, i know him personally
[08:18] <PeaceMakr> anyone here familiar with iburst?
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, i've seen talking bots before dear
[08:18] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, playing with the bot is bad
[08:18] <icewt> Amaranth, hm..
[08:18] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ Probably not a useful answer but....  You could copy the entire CD to a USB 2.0 memory stick?
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, how n why?
[08:18] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:18] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> anyways, hello to all
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, ohh! :P
[08:18] <darksatanic> Bergcube: You're right, it's not useful. :)
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> and i 'll leave now :)
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> bye bye
[08:18] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ Then you're welcome!
[08:19] <selinium> Seveas: When i try and open an app through gnome i get an error now. /apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run' set in a read-only.   any ideas?
[08:19] <jeanjean>  I tryed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto on Breezy and Hoary nd unmuted everything but still no sound (have intel HD sounc card)
[08:19] <Seveas> jackjack, never run gui stuff as root - this is the result of that.
[08:19] <selinium> Seveas: sorry apokryphos had to go....
[08:19] <jeanjean> can someone help
[08:19] <selinium> :)
[08:19] <Amaranth> jackjack: please don't repeat yourself
[08:19] <codomaniac> Amaranth, again tell me which version of gnome is on breezy ?
[08:19] <Amaranth> codomaniac: 2.12
[08:19] <Seveas> login in text mode and sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME
[08:19] <jackjack> im not running it as root
[08:20] <Seveas> selinium, -ENOCLUE
[08:20] <clarknova> can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[08:20] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ You see, I've ordered a Kingston 1 Gbyte memory stic, and I'm eager to experiment with it...  Would be great to make Ubuntu boot from it!
[08:20] <clarknova> i had to force a shutdown and this was the result.
[08:20] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, is there a bot plugin/script for Gaim?
[08:20] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, no
[08:20] <sanketmedhi> ohk
[08:20] <codomaniac> Amaranth, okay after 2.12 gnome is rolled breezy stable will be rolled it hink.
[08:20] <Seveas> and except ubotu, bots are not allowed in here
[08:21] <icewt> i guess the language can be changed with language-pack-* and language-support-* packages , but how exactly should it be done?
[08:21] <codomaniac> 10th october Amaranth
[08:21] <BockBilbo> why do i get redirected to ubuntu-unregged sometimes?
[08:21] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:21] <deltron> register your nick
[08:21] <VoX> BockBilbo: because you havent identified your nick
[08:21] <BockBilbo> (if im obiously registered)
[08:21] <Seveas> BockBilbo, set your nickserv password as server password
[08:21] <BockBilbo> mmm i guess its a problem with xchat
[08:21] <selinium> Seveas: Any idea where i can find that folder, i have been looking for 10 mins! :)
[08:21] <VoX> BockBilbo: no
[08:22] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ive everything properly configured, and xchat registers by myself
[08:22] <VoX> BockBilbo: it's because you havent identified with nickserv
[08:22] <Amaranth> codomaniac: 2.12 is set to release tomorrow, ubuntu will probably have it before the release email goes out
[08:22] <Seveas> selinium, it's not a folder
[08:22] <Seveas> it's a gconf key
[08:22] <Seveas> open gconf-editor
[08:22] <Seveas> Amaranth, it's been uploaded already
[08:22] <selinium> Seveas: :) learnign new stuff again!
[08:22] <BockBilbo> VoX yes i have
[08:23] <BockBilbo> i was registered like a year ago
[08:23] <BockBilbo> but well, anyways
[08:23] <mik3> hi i want to make a directory on my desktop and make it so when you double click on it to open it it brings me to /home/mike
[08:23] <mik3> how do i do that
[08:23] <VoX> BockBilbo: re-read what i said. there's difference between being registered and being identified.
[08:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: but i thought the tarballs weren't due until midnight
[08:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, timezones ;)
[08:23] <BockBilbo> i know VoX ... but i guess its that xchat identified me after logging in to ubuntu
[08:24] <Amaranth> d'oh, GMT
[08:24] <Seveas> BockBilbo, yeah XCHAT is slow
[08:24] <darkheart> mik3 Open a console and type 'ln -s /home/mike /home/mike/Desktop'
[08:24] <Seveas> GMT is 18:24 now
[08:24] <mik3> thanks
[08:24] <Amaranth> wait, that's still 6 hours away
[08:24] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:24] <BockBilbo> by the way, is breeze already stable enough (inside unstability) to dist-upgrade and dont die in the attempt?? (ive tried it like 4 times in the past months and i had to reinstall everything)
[08:24] <Seveas> but in australia it's sep 7th for a while :)
[08:24] <BockBilbo> *breezy
[08:25] <Seveas> BockBilbo, ymmv
[08:25] <mik3> wait what? i want to link /home/mike with /home/mike/Desktop/home
[08:25] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ymmv?
[08:25] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: If you want to be safe, wait for the release candidate.
[08:25] <Seveas> your mileage may vary
[08:25] <clarknova> Can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I had to force a shutdown and this was the result.
[08:25] <BockBilbo> well... ive always used unstable releases, i used to use sid, and hoary when it was unstable...
[08:25] <Xen`> can anyone suggest a pci wireless lan card that is supported by ubuntu out of the box (so not prism2 based, i cant get my prism2 based card working for the life of me)
[08:25] <selinium> Seveas: how can I make the conf file readable? Where is it kept?/
[08:26] <Seveas> BockBilbo, ubuntu unstable is not like debian unstable
[08:26] <BockBilbo> mmm i see... what happens is that ive managed to get a pretty stable and good installation of hoary
[08:26] <Seveas> it's a much rougher ride
[08:26] <BockBilbo> i know Seveas
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:26] <mik3> hi i want to make a directory on my desktop and make it so when you double click on it to open it it brings me to /home/mike - how do i do that
[08:26] <Seveas> mik3, you just were told...
[08:26] <Seveas> and you can also enable the 'show homedir' thing in gconf
[08:26] <BockBilbo> mmm Seveas so what should i do?
[08:26] <Seveas> stick to hoary
[08:27] <znh> hmm.. I did the Ati's auto graphical installer, but after the installation X servers gives 'FATAL: fglrx not found'
[08:27] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: the sid you were using wasn't living up to it's name, sid is really unstable after a release and slowly gets better and better as the dust settles
[08:27] <cecile> re
[08:27] <Stalwart> znh, try to reboot
[08:27] <znh> Stalwart: oh ok..
[08:27] <znh> brb then
[08:28] <clarknova> Can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I had to force a shutdown and this was the result. Do i have to reinstall?
[08:28] <HappyFool> clarknova: what have you changed?
[08:28] <Blissex> clarknova: no, but that means you have found a bug in the kernel.
[08:29] <clarknova> nothing. i rebooted serveral times with no change before this happened.
[08:29] <HappyFool> clarknova: you said you had to force a shutdown?
[08:29] <clarknova> well it was forced for me by the untimely removal of a power cord.
[08:29] <djfm> hi
[08:29] <HappyFool> clarknova: ah, right
[08:30] <BockBilbo> thanks Seveas and Amaranth , ill upgrade with the RC
[08:30] <djfm> Is it possible to add to nautilus a "open terminal" button like the one in kde's konqueror ?
[08:30] <RedTailhawk> first off ill state the obvious im a noob to linux. when i was installing ubuntu the grub failed and i continued with install and foolishly put the lilo on master boot record. now only ubuntu installs. is there anyway i could fix it so i can get back to windows and start from scratch again trying to dual boot?
[08:30] <BockBilbo> i guess itll be ready almost in a month, right?
[08:30] <HappyFool> clarknova: have you tried 'recovery mode' boot? how far into the boot do you get?
[08:30] <clarknova> HappyFool: yes. i get the same panic.
[08:31] <znh> I rebooted, but still fglrxinfo says Mesa..
[08:32] <znh> I installed the fglrx drivers for my ATi card, however after the installation the drivers don't seem to even exist!
[08:32] <clarknova> Blissex: can you reccomend a course of action?
[08:32] <clarknova> (i'd also like to report this bug, somehow)
[08:32] <clarknova> ((in a meaningful way))
[08:32] <Blissex> clarknova: bugs.kernel.org and there is a nice HOWTO on how to report kernel bugs.
[08:33] <timmytheturtle> hey all, I justed installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error
[08:33] <clarknova> thank you. Do you have an idea of what i can do instead of reinstalling?
[08:33] <HappyFool> clarknova: try booting of the live cd and see if you can mount your drive
[08:33] <HappyFool> clarknova: maybe you can run fsck on the drive
[08:33] <clarknova> not the install, but live Ubuntu?
[08:33] <endy_x> is anyone else having problems reaching ubuntuforums.org?
[08:34] <icewt> if i want to change the language, is it okay to just uninstall the language packs and install new ones?
[08:34] <RedTailhawk> i couldnt
[08:34] <HappyFool> clarknova: yeah, the live CD. you might be able to do it with the install cd and 'expert' mode
[08:34] <clarknova> and you're gong to tell me to fsck if i can get that to work, yes?
[08:34] <HappyFool> clarknova: is there lots of data at risk?
[08:35] <fizzle\out> hello i need help isntalling the kernel sources if u can help pls pm me :(
[08:35] <znh> Why does my ATi drivers don't work after the installation?
[08:35] <HappyFool> !tell fizzle\out about kernelhowto
[08:35] <Kuolio> is ubuntuforums.org down? i cant seem to connect :(
[08:35] <clarknova> HappyFool: no. it's a relatively new install. i just don't want to have to repeat ten hours of work, and then have to repeat more the next time this happens
[08:35] <HappyFool> clarknova: it's not very common, in my experience
[08:35] <endy_x> Kuolio, been like that for me for a few hours now :S
[08:35] <znh> hmm.. I don't seem to have connection to IRC anymore
[08:36] <Kuolio> bah, dang :(
[08:36] <clarknova> well if it happened once to me, it'll probably happen again because i'm still using the same platform.
[08:36] <PeaceMakr> clarknova you cant access your HD?
[08:36] <HappyFool> clarknova: i've had at least 1 'production' system have an unexpected power-out and survive
[08:36] <Xeruan> Years ago, when I was around 14 I installed Linux and tried to use it.. though I had no idea about what was going on.
[08:37] <znh> lol gladd no one can hear me
[08:37] <Xeruan> Now that I have free time, I was wanting to play around with it some more.. but my question is.. should I use Ubuntu and what size partitions should I use?
[08:37] <clarknova> yes. but were you running it on a compac pressario 1277? (the point being that if my platform is the same and the software is the same the problem will probably be the same)
[08:37] <HappyFool> clarknova: if your platform includes regular power-cord pulling outs, then you may encounter the same problem ;)
[08:37] <znh> I can say whatever I want because you are all ignoring me la la la la..
[08:37] <fizzle\out> HappyFool that doesnt explain how to install the sources though
[08:37] <clarknova> yeah :) well. it's a laptop and i can't afford to replace the battery. so i'd like to know a better way of fixing the problem than reinstalling.
[08:37] <CarlFK> Xeruan - Ubuntu yes.  let it figure out the partition sizes.  and have a better goal than " play around with it"
[08:38] <clarknova> anyway, i'll try to fsck it
[08:38] <PeaceMakr> znh try reinstalling it
[08:38] <znh> PeaceMakr: I did that already, didn't do any
[08:38] <HappyFool> clarknova: i think the theory is that ext3 is robust to this sort of thing, but i'm not that sure about that sort of thing
[08:38] <CarlFK> Xeruan - something like: surf the web.  or send eamil.  or print a picture from your camera
[08:38] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: stand by
[08:38] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: what do you want to actually achieve?
[08:39] <PeaceMakr> i was so looking forward to using linux and i see so many hardware issues : (
[08:39] <Xeruan> carl
[08:39] <fizzle\out> HappyFool; im trying to compile ndiswrapper so i can get my wireless nic to work so i can get on the net. but in order to do this i need to install the kernel sources
[08:39] <Xeruan> the second answer.. what does that pertain to?
[08:39] <clarknova> oh. hmm. now after sitting in this state for two hours it's giving me more clues. basically it thinks someone's pressing too many keys.
[08:39] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: have you read the ndiswrapper page on the wiki?
[08:39] <fizzle\out> no im doing that now
[08:39] <PeaceMakr> znh i have a new nvidia 6200, im sure ill have driver issues
[08:39] <CarlFK> Xeruan - simple goals that you might have some interest in.
[08:39] <fizzle\out> hmm ok brb
[08:39] <znh> PeaceMakr: you will diffenetly have, and no one will help you in this channel :P
[08:40] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: there is a section on the kernelhowto page entitled 'Obtaining the Source'
[08:40] <timmytheturtle> hey all, I justed installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error
[08:40] <timmytheturtle> anyone now whats going on with that?
[08:40] <PeaceMakr> znh im putting out free pizza and beer in order to find a local linux geek to help me out lol
[08:41] <CarlFK> PeaceMakr - where?
[08:41] <Xeruan> If I install Ubuntu will it auto partition my drive as well as install onto one of them?
[08:41] <PeaceMakr> CarlFK Johannesburg
[08:41] <znh> PeaceMakr: everyone ignores each other here, we're the only one that commuincate
[08:41] <CarlFK> Xeruan - yes.
[08:41] <HappyFool> znh: you've read the ati howto on the wiki?
[08:41] <znh> HappyFool: no, nobody even told me about it
[08:41] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: i'm in pta ;) where's the pizza ?
[08:41] <znh> !ati
[08:41] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[08:41] <CarlFK> PeaceMakr - rats ;)
[08:41] <HappyFool> !tell znh about ati
[08:41] <Xeruan> so i wont have to worry about it installing over my current Windows OS?
[08:41] <znh> argh spam
[08:41] <znh> :P
[08:41] <HappyFool> znh: oops, sorry
[08:42] <znh> HappyFool: np, I love that someone finnaly hears me
[08:42] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool get my iburst running like it should and ill feed you till you cant move lol
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: have you tried the livecd ?
[08:42] <CarlFK> Xeruan - do you want it to?
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: erk
[08:42] <Xeruan> no
[08:42] <CarlFK> Xeruan - XP?
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: looked maybe on www.myadsl.co.za ?
[08:43] <Xeruan> yeas
[08:43] <Xeruan> i dont want to share partitions
[08:43] <Xeruan> i want to entirely different ones
[08:43] <RedTailhawk> first off ill state the obvious im a noob to linux. when i was installing ubuntu the grub failed and i continued with install and foolishly put the lilo on master boot record. now only ubuntu boots. is there anyway i could fix it so i can get back to windows and start from scratch again trying to dual boot? i guess im asking how to uninstall unbuntu, i think
[08:43] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool actually i tried livecd first to get a feel of ubuntu, figured the full install would be best, no go
[08:43] <CarlFK> Xeruan - the ubuntu installer will let you shrink the ntfs (xp) partition to make free space for a new partition.  you just have to figure out how much space you want to use
[08:44] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: "no-go" is iburst or video card?
[08:44] <Xeruan> i have 400GB of free space
[08:44] <Xeruan> no need to shrink
[08:44] <PeaceMakr> so far ive tried ubuntu, knoppix, linspire, suse
[08:44] <HappyFool> RedTailhawk: do you have a windows install cd ?
[08:44] <RedTailhawk> yes
[08:44] <PovRayMan> i'm glad i spent my last cd on 5.04 because this is seeming to work better than 4.10
[08:44] <CarlFK> Xeruan - 400g that isn't part of a partition?
[08:44] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool iburst is a wireless system
[08:44] <HappyFool> RedTailhawk: boot with that and run 'fixmbr' -- should give you windows back
[08:44] <PovRayMan> i'm almost at 100%
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: i know what it is. myadsl have an iburst forum
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: if wbs can't help you, maybe they can
[08:45] <icewt> if i want to change the language, is it okay to just uninstall the language packs and install new ones?
[08:45] <RedTailhawk> HappyFool ty ill try that
[08:45] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool been there many many times
[08:45] <Xeruan> carl:  yes
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: ah, ok. anyway, if they can't help you with linux, i suspect no-one can
[08:45] <CarlFK> Xeruan - one of your choices will be: use free space.  use that one.
[08:46] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool wbs cant help anyone, specially not on linux
[08:46] <Trackilizer> Hey people, i know i said this often enough but i love Ubuntu.
[08:46] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: doh
[08:46] <Trackilizer> It's the only linux distro to this day that has simply worked for me.
[08:47] <disasm> Trackilizer: glad to hear
[08:47] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool i read that pclinuxos has a iburst support, but i have not read that it actually works, guess ill have to order the cd
[08:48] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: hmm. googled for 'linux iburst' ?
[08:48] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool lol oh you bet, been searching for answers for 3 weeks now
[08:48] <Trackilizer> I tryed Fedora core 4 but it simply sucked.
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: hmm. this obviously didn't work? http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?s=b0872a5a2a435e59829434b34e33431a&p=290452#post290452
[08:49] <Trackilizer> Nothing seemed to work aswell as it did in Ubuntu.
[08:49] <Trackilizer> And apt is way better than yum.
[08:49] <Shikamaroo> can anyone tell me how to start yaboot using the mac openfirmware?
[08:49] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool youll see my posts all over lol
[08:49] <Trackilizer> And nothing seemded to want to work aswell as it did in ubuntu.
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: ok
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: oh, right
[08:50] <caonex> Anybody here with a zv6000 laptop?
[08:51] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool i bet you a slice of pizza that if i had a dialup setup it would work first time around
[08:51] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: well, if you have a winmodem (like me) you need to get special drivers
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> ive not read many posts about normal dialup issues
[08:52] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: *and* i needed a patch for the 2.6.10 kernel, so it wasn't plain sailing
[08:52] <Shikamaroo> does ubuntu have a forums?
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> yes
[08:52] <Shikamaroo> where?
[08:52] <fizzle> how do i install xmms
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> Shikamaroo google: ubuntu forums
[08:52] <HappyFool> ubuntuforums.org, i think
[08:52] <paulw> anyone here had experience with configuring sound drivers (alsa)?
[08:52] <HappyFool> fizzle: have you setup the network repositories?
[08:53] <fizzle> HappyFool, my network is up and running
[08:53] <fizzle> so ya ...
[08:53] <HappyFool> fizzle: have you added the network repositories to synaptic or in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:53] <fizzle> what u meen by repositories i dont know :(
[08:53] <fizzle> umm no
[08:53] <HappyFool> fizzle: ok, it's easy
[08:53] <HappyFool> !tell fizzle about repos
[08:54] <PeaceMakr> i think one could buy a linux box off the shelf with printer/modem etc and be much better off
[08:54] <Pyf> im trying to set up last.fm radio (audioscrobbler) ive downloaded a tar.bz2 file, what do i do with it?
[08:54] <HappyFool> fizzle: after you do that, xmms will appear in the list of packages synaptic offers you, and you can easily install it
[08:54] <fizzle> ubuntu is nice
[08:54] <Trackilizer> Yup! unlike Fedora
[08:54] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: yeah, apparently canonical is doing something with HP to have ubuntu preinstalled on laptops
[08:54] <Trackilizer> What is it people like about Fedora?
[08:54] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: pretty much guarantees working hardware
[08:55] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool ive seen desktops also
[08:56] <PeaceMakr> i think a person that doesnt have any computer hardware should consider the linux box
[08:56] <timmytheturtle> can someone help me with this problem I'm having. I installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error. Any comments on that???
[08:56] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Any ideas?
[08:57] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle how old is the monitor?
[08:57] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: can you tell us more precisely what the error message was?
[08:58] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know where to find how to boot yaboot from openfirmware on mac g3 blue?
[08:58] <timmytheturtle> PeaceMakr:The monitor is about 2 years old. HappyFool:Not unless I reboot into ubuntu
[08:58] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle it gave an error?
[08:59] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: you did a standard (i.e., not expert) install?
[08:59] <Trackilizer> May i ask why you call yourself "HappyFool"?
[08:59] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know why yaboot wouldnt boot automatically on a g3 power pc?
[08:59] <HappyFool> Trackilizer: random nick chosen many years ago ;)
[08:59] <timmytheturtle> PeackMakr: it was really an error messgage, the monitor just went to a screen, much like the no signal found screen
[08:59] <Trackilizer> I see.
[09:00] <caonex> Anybody here running ubuntu in amd64?
[09:00] <timmytheturtle> HappyFool: its was the standard install
[09:00] <Shikamaroo> does anyone here have yaboot working on a power pc?
[09:01] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: you can try booting into rescue mode, and running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' -- maybe you can specify your monitor parameters (assuming you know or can find them)
[09:01] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle i dont know if ubuntu has special software to setup the vsync etc of your monitor, i know suse does but...
[09:01] <Xeruan> cao... im d/ling it now
[09:01] <Xeruan> thats what i am going ot use
[09:02] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know how to boot linux from openfirmware?
[09:02] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" I've googled with no real luck. :D
[09:02] <timmytheturtle> HappyFool: I can try that and looking around for paramters PeaceMakr: i've tried kanotix/knoppix before, and the worked, I just don't like kde as much as gnome
[09:03] <PeaceMakr> strange how some distros can pickup the most obscure hardware and yet fail to configure a mouse, or the opposite
[09:03] <MyNameIsSam> I'm a linux newb. I have the pre-release beta of Mac OSX86 installed on this PC and I am trying to access files that are on my hard drive from Ubuntu Live. I'm on ubuntu live right now and need assistance finding files from my hard drive. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[09:03] <Hoxzer> somebody here has any idea how I can change the ownership of the folder?
[09:03] <HappyFool> Hoxzer:    chown username foldername
[09:03] <DewDude> this strange
[09:04] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: you will probably need sudo for that (ie., sudo chown username foldername)
[09:04] <Shikamaroo> does anyone here know how to make a yaboot cd to boot my linux?
[09:04] <DewDude> nope
[09:04] <fizzle> um im looking in the package list and i dont see the base xmms system
[09:04] <DewDude> this thing is still broken
[09:04] <fizzle> what do i do?
[09:04] <DewDude> now i can 't shift
[09:04] <HappyFool> fizzle: what do you see?
[09:04] <fizzle> HappyFool, i see a bunch of XMMS packages but not the base package for xmms
[09:04] <DewDude> *38531 Hiram Hollow Rd, Wise, VA 24293 eserghuuuuyuyyyuuyyuyyuyyoiyuoiyu=-
[09:05] <DewDude>  3
[09:05] <DewDude>  3
[09:05] <Shikamaroo> is it possible to make yaboot boot my installed linux like it would a live version?
[09:05] <HappyFool> fizzle: then you haven't added the 'main' repository
[09:05] <Pyf> im trying to set up last.fm radio (audioscrobbler) ive downloaded a tar.bz2 file, what do i do with it?
[09:05] <Shikamaroo> on a cd
[09:05] <HappyFool> fizzle: you need 'main' and 'restricted' as well as 'universe' and 'multiverse'
[09:05] <fizzle> o
[09:05] <fizzle> ok
[09:06] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: do you know much about mounting partitions etc?
[09:06] <MyNameIsSam> Not much, I also need to resize the partition of my hard drive.
[09:07] <Shikamaroo> Seveas: hey can u help me? i need to know if i can make a cd that will load yaboot much like a live cd but that will use my installed version on my hard drive instead of a live cd version
[09:07] <fizzle> HappyFool, ive enabled all my repositories and dont see it
[09:07] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, start a root terminal (Applications -> System tools -> root terminal)  (ps., i am not that familiar with the live cd, let me know if something is missing or different)
[09:08] <MyNameIsSam> ok, got the terminal up
[09:08] <HappyFool> fizzle: ok, please open the text editor (applications -> accessories -> text editor), open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and put it on the pastebin (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl)
[09:08] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to the pastebin? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:08] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: put the output of 'mount' there too (same paste is ok)
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Disk /dev/hda: 203.9 GB, 203928109056 bytes
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> 47 heads, 63 sectors/track, 134514 cylinders
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Units = cylinders of 2961 * 512 = 1516032 bytes
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> /dev/hda1   *           1        4250     6290896+  af  Unknown
[09:09] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: not here
[09:09] <HappyFool> *sigh*
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Oh crap
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Sorry
[09:09] <PeaceMakr> lol
[09:09] <Hoxzer> no ......:D
[09:09] <fizzle> HappyFool, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1968
[09:10] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" I've googled with no real luck. :D
[09:10] <Hoxzer> it says that I cant change folder's permissions because of it can't be read
[09:10] <Hoxzer> :E
[09:10] <Hoxzer> what thats supose to mean
[09:11] <MyNameIsSam> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1969
[09:11] <HappyFool> fizzle: hmm. looks ok. did you edit the file yourself?
[09:11] <fizzle> HappyFool, nope but im about ot
[09:11] <fizzle> to*
[09:11] <HappyFool> fizzle: try pressing 'reload' in synaptic; does that make a difference?
[09:11] <caonex> anybody here with amd64 and ati radeon 200m xpress?
[09:11] <CookedGryphon> how do i set up my laptop to go through my main pc's dial up internet? I have them set up for filesharing with static IPs of 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 and i'm not sure what to do next
[09:11] <DewDude> aty128fb: Invalid ROM signature 8181 should be 0xaa55
[09:12] <DewDude> ??
[09:12] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, i'm not familiar with mac filesystems; let me just check some docs...
[09:12] <PeaceMakr> Hoxzer thats nothing, i booted as root, tried to copy/apste a file and was told that i dont have permission, i feel like im 5 years old lol
[09:12] <MyNameIsSam> Alright, thanks for your help HappyFool, you're a lifesaver.
[09:12] <fizzle> one sec
[09:12] <Hoxzer> this is like wtf
[09:12] <Hoxzer> :E
[09:13] <timmytheturtle> Happyfool, what parameters do I need to know to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:13] <Hoxzer> I can read it fine....
[09:13] <Hoxzer> but it says I can't
[09:13] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: off hand i can't remember. vertical and horizontal frequencies of your monitor at least; video card model as well
[09:13] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: hmm, not sure what partition type that is
[09:14] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: anyway, let's try mounting it read-only
[09:14] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: type 'mkdir -p /mnt/hda1' (this creates a directory, the mount point)
[09:14] <sublimewls> howdy everyone
[09:14] <caonex> I have installed Ubuntu for Amd64, and it seems to have a problem with my Ati 200 Xpress card. I read some where that it may be necessary to not use framebuffer, can i just send the command through grub or should i reinstall instead?
[09:15] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle try a default setting, like 800x600 60hz and work your way back
[09:15] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: that should give not output; if it does, there's an error -- let me know
[09:15] <sublimewls> is there any other progs that i can use besides kwifimanager? i am a newbie and i somehow got my wireless card to work (Belkin f5d7000 rev 02) but i cant connect to anything
[09:15] <[t0rc] > which ones do I need if I'm running off of a fresh install of 5.04? https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[09:15] <CookedGryphon> how do i set up my laptop to go through my main pc's dial up internet? I have them set up for filesharing with static IPs of 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 and i'm not sure what to do next.. anyone?
[09:15] <MyNameIsSam> No reply from terminal
[09:15] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Has anyone experienced this problem or have an idea as to how to resolve it?
[09:15] <sublimewls> i have entered different WEP keys... and i dont even get a signal
[09:15] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: good
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: now 'mount -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1'
[09:16] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how do i make SSH not wait for about 10-12 seconds before it asks me for my password?
[09:16] <PeaceMakr> wireless either works or doesnt apparently, have you seached the web sublimewls?
[09:16] <Fred|Fr3d> it ends up saying "using keyboard for login" or something like that
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: hopefully it will auto-detect the partition type, if it's supported
[09:16] <sublimewls> yes i have peacemakr
[09:16] <MyNameIsSam> Now I've got a blank line, seems to be working
[09:16] <sublimewls> i have tried installing different progs... but i dont know how to do that if i have the .deb or .rpm locally
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, what is the output of 'mount|grep /dev/hda1'
[09:17] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: you can paste single lines here in channel ;)
[09:17] <kafeine> sublimewls, dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:17] <mae> does anyone else get garbled print output from certain pdf files with evince?
[09:17] <kafeine> for .rmps, you will need alien
[09:17] <sublimewls> dpkg: error processing foo.deb (--install):
[09:17] <sublimewls>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:17] <sublimewls> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:17] <sublimewls>  foo.deb
[09:17] <Fred|Fr3d> how do i make SSH not wait for about 10-12 seconds before it asks me for my password?
[09:17] <PeaceMakr> sublimewls http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=Belkin+f5d7000+rev+02+linux&btnG=Search&meta=
[09:17] <Fred|Fr3d> it ends up saying "using keyboard for login" or something like that
[09:18] <MyNameIsSam> Hmm, no output yet, seems to still be working. Still have a blank line. It doesn't even say the normal root@ubuntu:
[09:18] <sublimewls> thats what i got when i tried kafeine's thing
[09:18] <kafeine> sublimewls, you need to replace the FOO with your actual programme name:)
[09:18] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: oh, that's not good
[09:18] <sublimewls> lol my bad
[09:18] <MyNameIsSam> Drat
[09:18] <sublimewls> well i got the card working
[09:18] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: you did type /dev/hda1, not /dev/hda right?
[09:18] <MyNameIsSam> I copied and pasted exactly what you said, so yes.
[09:18] <monnahan> Anyone familiar with printing?  Specifically through hplip?
[09:19] <timmytheturtle> Happyfool, I found the v/h frequence range..is that what i need? the model of my video is card is Intel 82845g
[09:19] <monnahan> Everything seems to be ok, but I get this in the logs
[09:19] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: hmm. i think you might be out of luck, the filesystem might not be supported
[09:19] <monnahan> Sep  6 10:42:44 localhost OfficeJet_G55?serial=SGE07E0YY7VL: unable to open /var/run/hpssd.port: No such file or directory
[09:19] <monnahan> Sep  6 10:42:44 localhost OfficeJet_G55?serial=SGE07E0YY7VL: unable to connect to socket 50002: Connection refused
[09:19] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: as i said, i can't remember all the info you need, sorry
[09:19] <fizzle> how do i disable sound schemes in gnome/
[09:19] <MyNameIsSam> Meh, oh well
[09:19] <MyNameIsSam> Thanks anyways
[09:19] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: but i think that should be enough
[09:19] <Fred|Fr3d> Why does SSH wait 10 seconds when I login before asking me for my password?
[09:19] <Fred|Fr3d> And how do I stop it?!
[09:19] <MyNameIsSam> I'll just find a way to transfer this rar archive to my windows machine to extract.
[09:20] <timmytheturtle> happyfool ok, i'll try google for a bit more info before trying anything, thanx for all ur help
[09:20] <sublimewls> when i try the thing u said kafeine i get a "cannot access archive:no such file or directory"
[09:20] <MyNameIsSam> Thanks for your help
[09:20] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: sorry i can't be more help
[09:20] <Pyf> where does amarok get installed if u just apt-get it?
[09:20] <MyNameIsSam> You did what you could, and that was more than what I could ask for.
[09:20] <andril> hello all
[09:21] <PeaceMakr> hi andril
[09:21] <[t0rc] > should i download all three of these do i need all three of these if im running a fresh install? https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[09:21] <kafeine> sublimewls, did you cd to it's local directory?
[09:21] <andril> PeaceMakr, what up - just looking for some help
[09:21] <Fred|Fr3d> Hey, Why does SSH wait 10 seconds when I login before asking me for my password, and how do I make it not wait?
[09:22] <PeaceMakr> andril that makes 2+ of us lol
[09:22] <sublimewls> its on desktop
[09:22] <kafeine> ok, sublimewls, so first
[09:22] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: can you get to the ssh logs?
[09:22] <sublimewls> both are...
[09:22] <kafeine> do a $ cd Desktop
[09:22] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool yep
[09:22] <kafeine> then execute dpkg
[09:22] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: they give you any clues? maybe ssh is trying other authentication methods
[09:22] <sublimewls> k i think i am on it already kafeine
[09:22] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: also could be a hostname lookup (?)
[09:23] <andril> PeaceMakr, seveas & amaranth are awesome resources here - they helped me alot
[09:23] <Fred|Fr3d> where are the logs kept? /var/log?
[09:23] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: yeah
[09:23] <Fred|Fr3d> im connecting over a LAN so it shud be instant?
[09:23] <bluefoxicy> Hey
[09:23] <Amaranth> andril: me not so much right now
[09:23] <bluefoxicy> are we going to see 2.6.13 with preempt in breezy?
[09:23] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: depends if the host can reverse map your ip address
[09:23] <andril> PeaceMakr, and so are the other users :) of course
[09:23] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  ping0rz
[09:23] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: there is no ssh.log :S
[09:24] <andril> Amaranth, sorry -
[09:24] <PeaceMakr> andril what problem do you have, maybe we can compare problems lol
[09:24] <othernoob> does a normal atx mainboard fit into a minitower?
[09:24] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: look in auth.log maybe ?
[09:25] <PeaceMakr> othernoob how mini?
[09:25] <Butcherbird_Jr> I have samba server running and I was wondering how to stop it. I read that I might be able to rename the file in rc3.d from S20samba to X20samba and it will it stop running.
[09:25] <caonex> what is the kernel parameter to disable the framebuffer?
[09:25] <HappyFool> Butcherbird_Jr: sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop
[09:25] <teprrr> hmm, so, is libgl stuff broken in breezy still?
[09:25] <Butcherbird_Jr> will that stop it from comming up upon startup
[09:25] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: I'm not sure, a friend asked me to upgrade his computer. all i know is that it's a minitower
[09:26] <HappyFool> Butcherbird_Jr: you can use 'update-rc.d' to change what services run on startup
[09:26] <HappyFool> Butcherbird_Jr: or install 'BUM'
[09:26] <PeaceMakr> othernoob is it an atx box?
[09:26] <HappyFool> !bum
[09:26] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: yep.
[09:26] <ubotu> I heard bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[09:26] <Butcherbird_Jr> HappyFool, thank you
[09:26] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: any clues there ?
[09:26] <dreameen> i like ubuntu
[09:26] <teprrr> glxinfo says direct rendering is on, glxgears are slow, but LIBGL_DEBUG env doesn't help there.. and quake2 outputs this: libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch)
[09:26] <dreameen> :)
[09:26] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: it says "Sep  6 19:59:53 localhost sshd[12496] : Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from ::ffff:192.168.2.6 port 4666 ssh2
[09:26] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: yes, there's a microATX mainboard in it
[09:26] <andril> PeaceMakr, not much now - but I am still a noob to Linux
[09:26] <Fred|Fr3d> and then
[09:26] <mik3> where are network settins kept on ubuntu so i don't have to use this network configuration tool on xorg
[09:26] <CookdGryphon> My dial up connection stops working when i activate my ethernet connection, does anyone have any ideas?
[09:27] <Fred|Fr3d> Sep  6 19:59:53 localhost sshd[12509] : (pam_unix) session opened for user root
[09:27] <PeaceMakr> andril so am i, really noob
[09:27] <mik3> CookdGryphon : i get the same problem
[09:27] <VoX> CookdGryphon: get adsl? :)
[09:27] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: ah. it can't find a hostname for your client's IP address
[09:27] <dreameen> i have a few questions concerning apt-get...anyone interested in answering them?:>
[09:27] <CookdGryphon> VoX, would if i could, but i can't
[09:27] <andril> PeaceMakr, I am waiting on some lessons so I can dump Win and serve through Linux (FTP,EMAIL,HTTP) and such
[09:27] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: ahh. how do i stop it doing lookups on local IPs? or on any IPs?
[09:27] <CookdGryphon> dreameen, ask away i'm sure someone will
[09:27] <PeaceMakr> othernoob why dont you see (fit it in) ?
[09:27] <dreameen> okie
[09:28] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: um. read 'man sshd_config' ? I'm not sure
[09:28] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: what do you mean?
[09:28] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool ok thanks :)
[09:28] <dreameen> how do you search for packages with apt-get
[09:28] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: you could add an entry to /etc/hosts -- might work
[09:28] <andril> PeaceMakr, I am reading the Linux 2005 bible and using this forum to advance
[09:28] <PeaceMakr> othernoob do you want to replace his mboard with a new one?
[09:28] <HappyFool> dreameen: 'apt-cache search <search-pattern>'
[09:28] <mik3> where are network settins kept on ubuntu so i don't have to use this network configuration tool on xorg
[09:28] <dreameen> kewl
[09:28] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: ok i'll try that first then. i dont need to reboot after that do i?
[09:28] <CookdGryphon> dreameen, you may find it easier to use synaptic, i prefer it
[09:29] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: no. what do you think this is, windows? ;)
[09:29] <CookdGryphon> its a graphical interface for apt-get
[09:29] <dreameen> and how do you list contents of a package?
[09:29] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: well, yes, pretty much would like to keep the cd drive + the hdd only.. and if possible, the tower.
[09:29] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: lol no _
[09:29] <Fred|Fr3d> HappyFool: just what I'm used to ^_^
[09:29] <PeaceMakr> andril im saving my pennies to buy some books to, but ill do thaty only once ive settled on a working distro
[09:29] <HappyFool> dreameen:   dpkg -L <packagename>
[09:29] <dreameen> i know but sometimes i prefer the CLI
[09:29] <CookdGryphon> fair enough
[09:29] <HappyFool> mik3: i think it's /etc/network
[09:29] <mik3> does anyone know where network settings are kept (i.e. ip address, dhcp information, etc)
[09:30] <PeaceMakr> othernoob i think it should fit but best to try a fitting
[09:30] <CookdGryphon> mik3,  try system > administration > networking
[09:30] <dreameen> HappyFool, cheers mate, i see you know apt-get very well;>
[09:31] <HappyFool> dreameen: nah, just the necessary ;)
[09:31] <mik3> CookedGryphon : that's just an interface for /etc/networking
[09:31] <mik3> HappyFool : thanks bud.
[09:31] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: well, i can't just buy something and then test if it fits
[09:31] <othernoob> PeaceMakr: and i certainly won't use mine to test :p my stuff was too expensive
[09:32] <PeaceMakr> othernoob you will need to remove his old mboard, measure it and see
[09:32] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Has anyone experienced this problem or have an idea as to how to resolve it?
[09:32] <Overclocked_486> hey, can anyone help me install a D-Link DWL-G520 wireless card? It won't show up in the network-admin.
[09:32] <dreameen> lol ie run out of questions:)
[09:33] <GranMaestro> Overclocked_486: did you try ndiswrapper?
[09:33] <Overclocked_486> no. trying now.
[09:34] <andril> PeaceMakr, mee too - i downloaded the eBook version and have settled with Ubuntu
[09:34] <GranMaestro> Overclocked_486: well that's definitely the way to go.
[09:34] <Overclocked_486> GranMaestro: How exactly do I do that?
[09:34] <GranMaestro> Overclocked_486: follow the WiKi. With a bit of luck you should be up and running in 10 minutes.. Good Luck :D
[09:34] <Overclocked_486> GranMaestro: oh, nm. i haven't installed it yet.
[09:35] <Overclocked_486> GranMaestro: Thanks a lot!
[09:35] <jonnywedge> hi, i'm new to linux and i had a question about security for my system
[09:35] <unimatrix9> be secure - dont connect to internet ;)
[09:35] <Overclocked_486> lol
[09:36] <Fred|Fr3d> Woohoo!
[09:36] <Fred|Fr3d> Thanks HappyFool :D :D
[09:36] <jonnywedge> i installed shorewall...for my firewall, but i don'tknow where to access it.
[09:36] <Fred|Fr3d> /etc/hosts worked!
[09:36] <GranMaestro> Overclocked_486: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[09:36] <HappyFool> Fred|Fr3d: cool
[09:36] <jonnywedge> i haven't used unix since 98, and i forgot most of my shit
[09:36] <HappyFool> !firewall
[09:36] <ubotu> methinks firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[09:36] <HappyFool> jonnywedge: maybe start with firestarter and work from there?
[09:37] <unimatrix9> going for some nice sleep, bye
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> or #iptables
[09:37] <unimatrix9> ______________
[09:37] <HappyFool> jonnywedge: also, ubuntu has no non-local open ports by default (unless you install something like, apache, obviously)
[09:37] <Shikamaroo> hello, does anyone know anything about mac openfirmware?
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> yeh a firewall on ubuntu is rather useless.
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> HappyFool:  I installed a few things like nessusd and squid, and had non-local open ports.
[09:37] <[t0rc] > how would one run multiple monitors(not cloned) on ubuntu?
[09:37] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Has anyone experienced this problem or have an idea as to how to resolve it?
[09:37] <GranMaestro> jonnywedge: I forgot in 6 months.. :D
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> HappyFool:  a little config file hacking and I had them bound to 127.0.0.1 :)
[09:38] <jonnywedge> heh.
[09:38] <HappyFool> bluefoxicy: yeah, samba listens on non-localhost too
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> HappyFool:  samba has to, squid and nessus don't :)
[09:38] <jonnywedge> so how do i access the firewall...i'm coming fr a windows system, so i'm kind of lost
[09:38] <jonnywedge> also, does ubuntu have anything for viruses and spyware.
[09:38] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know why mac openfirmware wouldnt recognise any commands at all?
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> jonnywedge:  first thing you should do is install nmap and test out your network interface to see what's actually open.
[09:38] <jonnywedge> is ubuntu as vulernable as windows?
[09:39] <GranMaestro> jonnywedge: is this a joke? 8)
[09:39] <Fred|Fr3d> jonnywedge: no?! :O
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> jonnywedge:  Ubuntu is -almost- but not quite as vulnerable as windows to such things; however, such things don't exactly -exist- for linux yet.
[09:39] <HappyFool> jonnywedge: there are few, if any, linux viruses. you can install clamav to scan mail/data for windows viruses
[09:39] <teprrr> any ideas?
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> jonnywedge:  hence there's no need for AV or anti-spyware.
[09:39] <jonnywedge> ok
[09:39] <Fred|Fr3d> bluefoxicy: well not really, windows doesnt have good users and permissions like linux does
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> Wait for linux to see 20% of desktop market and you'll need 'em.
[09:40] <Fred|Fr3d> bluefoxicy: perhaps, but there is no IE for Linux ^_^
[09:40] <jonnywedge> yeah, this is my play machine...so i thought i'd see what linux can do.
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> Fred|Fr3d:  The user can still install viral packages with SUID crap if he finds any made for ubuntu; or you could find things that use remote exploits in gaim or firefox and then use a local kernel vuln like the use_lib() attack of several months ago.
[09:40] <jonnywedge> so how do i access the firestarter firewall?
[09:40] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : i think there's some multihead stuff on the wiki
[09:40] <jonnywedge> i do not see it in the applicatin menuo
[09:41] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : search through wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[09:41] <HappyFool> jonnywedge: install it using synaptic
[09:41] <HappyFool> jonnywedge: you may need to enable internet software repositories
[09:41] <HappyFool> !tell jonnywedge about repos
[09:41] <jonnywedge> ok.  will the install add a shortcut to the application menu?
[09:41] <bluefoxicy> Fred|Fr3d:  It's entirely possible to break into a Linux machine with a little research.  The problem you encounter is that the lifespan of the attacks are shortlived, or they rely heavily on user stupidity.
[09:41] <GranMaestro> bluefoxicy: the whole way Unix was built was with networking and security in mind
[09:41] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  See above message.
[09:42] <HappyFool> yeah, that explains the original easy-to-hack passwd file ;)
[09:42] <GranMaestro> bluefoxicy: OK I agree on users stupidity
[09:42] <[t0rc] > k thnx. HappyFool: is this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/  (the  xserver-xorg-driver-ati_6.8.2-56_amd64.deb) drivers for ATI video card? because I cannot find the fglrx thing
[09:42] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro, Fred|Fr3d:  For example, you could use a networking stack attack remotely, or an application flaw and then a local kernel exploit; but in about a week, that hole will be sealed, and your worm will die.
[09:42] <Fred|Fr3d> true
[09:42] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : i would guess those are the 'non-accelerated' drivers
[09:43] <jonnywedge> if yr careful, you don't really need antivirus for windows...that's been my experience
[09:43] <fizzle> hey whenever i try playing a song in xmms my computer locks up.; any ideas?
[09:43] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: hmm....any guess where i'd find the accelerated drivers?
[09:43] <GranMaestro> besides that look at the speed the Open Source community reacts to Secuity holes as compared to M$ attitude..
[09:43] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : i'm don't know much about amd64 -- i.e., if drivers even exist
[09:43] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro, Fred|Fr3d:  Of course there's proactive measures to help this, like ProPolice (which in a cleaned-up version thrown in by a red hat employee got an OK to commit for mainline GCC 4.0), PaX (and the lesser Exec Shield from Red Hat and W^X on OpenBSD) with memory protection and ASLR policies, GrSecurity and OpenWall things, and a few other things.
[09:43] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : let me look on packages.ubuntu.com ...
[09:43] <CookdGryphon> does anybody know how to resolve this conflict between my dial up and my ethernet, when i activate ethernet, the dial up jsut cuts out
[09:44] <jonnywedge> thanx guys.
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro, Fred|Fr3d:  Deploying certain things like that breaks a handfull of apps, and can be tweaked to not apply to those; on the other hand, the guarantees of a large number of attacks (especially runtime code execution attacks) are destroyed.
[09:44] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : i would guess it's xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:44] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : have you read the ati page on the wiki?
[09:44] <pirast> Hi, will there be a new design in Breezy? Are there screenshots available?
[09:44] <HappyFool> !tell [t0rc]  about ati
[09:44] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: if that happens your setup is weird to say the least
[09:44] <pirast> !ati
[09:44] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[09:45] <fizzle> !tell fizzle about xmms
[09:45] <HappyFool> fizzle: still no luck?
[09:45] <fizzle> HappyFool, i got xmms installed but when i try to play songs my computer freezes
[09:45] <pirast> !Breezy
[09:45] <fizzle> ive disabled sounds in gnome
[09:45] <fizzle> dunno wtf is wrong :(
[09:45] <HappyFool> fizzle: ah. you need to set xmms to use the 'esound' output plugin
[09:45] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: well, the issue is I cannot find that one on the repos, is it on packages.ubuntu.com ?
[09:45] <CookdGryphon> GranMaestro, well it does happen, and i dont' see what i could have installed to make it weird
[09:46] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : then you likely have an error in your repos setup
[09:46] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[09:46] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : there is an amd64 version for hoary
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  Such proactive security, btw, would be a huge improvement to the inherant security of the system; it would shield the system from a large number of attacks possible due to flaws in the applications.
[09:46] <fizzle> HappyFool, that should fix it?
[09:46] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: sweet thnx a billion.
[09:46] <fizzle> ahhhh
[09:46] <fizzle> better ty :)
[09:46] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: uhm.. standard setup?
[09:46] <CookdGryphon> er, pretty much
[09:47] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: should I download all of those and install them? or just a few..?
[09:47] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : no, not all of them ;)
[09:47] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: try pasting somewhere in  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl your ifconfig output
[09:47] <fizzle> dam ubuntu rocks :)
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  For example, the old SSH overflow that allowed runtime code injection (due to an off-by-one error IIRC) would have . . . well, crashed sshd pretty much.  No root access, no non-root access, no intrusion.
[09:47] <bluefoxicy> This could be done with kernel-only modifications :)
[09:47] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : if your repos are setup right, you shouldn't need to; anyway, the ony you want is *probably* xorg-driver-fglrx (second from bottom)
[09:47] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: k thnx. =D
[09:48] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : i recommend you try to fix your apt setup
[09:48] <[t0rc] > HappyFool: heh, no worries. im on a windows right now, linux pc isn't online. ;)
[09:48] <GranMaestro> bluefoxicy: stop stop, I am sold :D
[09:48] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : ah, right
[09:48] <CookdGryphon> GranMaestro, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1970
[09:48] <HappyFool> [t0rc] : that is an educated guess; hope i'm right
[09:48] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  :)
[09:48] <CookdGryphon> tho eth0 isn't in it, is that cos it needs to be activated?
[09:49] <CookdGryphon> if so i can't without leaving here cos my dial up cuts out
[09:49] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: I suppose that's the problem
[09:49] <GranMaestro> bluefoxicy: ;-)
[09:50] <fizzle> HappyFool, is it possible to run xmms while having a sound scheme enabled?
[09:50] <CookdGryphon> GranMaestro, ???
[09:50] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: yup
[09:50] <Hoxzer> how I can make ubuntu's music players to play mp3?
[09:51] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  interestingly, btw, holes in MSN, Firefox, Gaim, FTP clients, Xchat, and friends are impossible to cover via firewall (else the applications plain stop working)
[09:51] <none_-> Hoxzer: you need to add universe to your repositories
[09:51] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: Well, I suppose you must experiment a bit, not much I can think of from here.. sorry
[09:51] <CookdGryphon> Hoxzer, install the necessary gstreamer packages
[09:51] <fizzle> Hoxzer, install codecs? i dunno
[09:51] <Hoxzer> :D
[09:51] <CookdGryphon> GranMaestro, any ideas what to experiment WITH?
[09:51] <CookdGryphon> i have no idea where to start
[09:51] <none_-> then apt-cache search gstreamer*
[09:52] <bluefoxicy> GranMaestro:  an IPS like snort2.3 with inlining and a drop.rules can cover known attacks, but not new ones.  There's a good reason why I like -proactive- measures, even if the developers have to adjust a -little- bit.
[09:52] <CookdGryphon> i'm new to this networking malarchey
[09:52] <rob_p> CookdGryphon:  What are you trying to do?
[09:52] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: well with the GUI should be easy
[09:52] <HappyFool> CookdGryphon: at a guess you have some screwy routing issues, but i've forgotten what little i knew about that
[09:53] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: otherwise it's all in /etc/networking
[09:53] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: do you use dialup?
[09:53] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: sorry but networking is hard stuff... you must learn by yourn own mistakes..
[09:54] <none_-> read the tcp/ip RFC
[09:54] <CookdGryphon> OK, my situation, i ahve a laptop and my pc, linked by ethernet cards/cable both ethernet cards installed appear to be functioning normally. I want to share some files from my main pc to my laptop, just one off will do, and perhaps my dial up connection because my laptop has a linmodem and i can't get the necessary packages to make that work
[09:54] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: not that I don't want to help but I never came across such a problem, perhaps somebody else can help
[09:54] <Sav^> im following a "howto" and got to this line "I recommend adding a custom dsdt to the kernel before compile time", how do i do that?
[09:54] <none_-> CookdGryphon, why not use scp?
[09:54] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: you want to chare files between two computers? What OSs do they use?
[09:54] <CookdGryphon> mik3 said he had the same problem
[09:54] <CookdGryphon> they are both ubuntu
[09:54] <CookdGryphon> one's a clean install
[09:55] <dabaR> GranMaestro: we understand.
[09:55] <CookdGryphon> none_-, what's scp?
[09:55] <none_-> file copy over ssh
[09:55] <GranMaestro> dabaR: thank you.. :D
[09:55] <none_-> all you need is sshd
[09:55] <GranMaestro> CookdGryphon: SecureCopy
[09:55] <dabaR> securecopy, CookdGryphon, you want to connect two ubuntu computers using a direct connection with ethernet cables?
[09:55] <CookdGryphon> dabaR, yea
[09:56] <none_-> ah.
[09:56] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: and, is your cable a crossover cable?
[09:56] <CookdGryphon> yes, i'm pretty sure it is, i've used the cable to link two windows pcss directly before
[09:57] <GranMaestro> dabaR: with due respect.. he has a conflict as eth0 makes the line drop
[09:57] <rob_p> CookdGryphon:  Do you have a gateway address listed for your eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[09:57] <Hoxzer> EH.... :E
[09:57] <Hoxzer> how I can install VLC mediplayer to ubuntu?
[09:57] <none_-> make sure you have the universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:57] <CookdGryphon> i set the gateway to 192.168.0.1
[09:57] <none_-> apt-get install vlc
[09:57] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: you cant just use the same ethernet cable like the one that is between the modem and computer. Tell me whether you see the word patch anywhere on the  cable.
[09:57] <rob_p> CookdGryphon:  If so, try commenting it out.
[09:58] <CookdGryphon> yeah patch is on the cable
[09:59] <none_-> CookdGryphon, there should be no problem then
[09:59] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: ok, so, is this wire connecting the computers atm?
[09:59] <PovRayMan> Hello from ubuntu linux
[09:59] <CookdGryphon> yes it is
[09:59] <darkheart> lol..sounded like he was supposed to comment out 'patch'
[09:59] <f||bber> anyone converts from Fedora in here?
[09:59] <PovRayMan> I got it working 100%!!
[09:59] <dabaR> excellent.
[09:59] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: so, one of these computers is online, I suppose?
[10:00] <CookdGryphon> ok, i'm gna try activating the connection, it may kill my dialup, yeah i'm on one of the computers atm, and the otehr is switched on by my side
[10:00] <Hoxzer> hmmm
[10:00] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: using dial up on this computer?
[10:00] <CookdGryphon> yes
[10:00] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: and you want this to work whenever you come home, and connect the wires, I suppose?
[10:01] <CookdGryphon> not necessarily, i'm just trying to set up my laptop to do what i want, but it has a linmodem and needs extra packages to compile the drivers, and i also want to copy my music onto it
[10:02] <dabaR> so just transfer some files now? CookdGryphon?
[10:02] <CookdGryphon> pretty much, that would do, thought if i got the internet to work from the laptop through this i would b able to apt-get what i needed
[10:02] <CookdGryphon> though*
[10:02] <dabaR> CookdGryphon: ok, well, go try what you were going to, and come back if you need more help.
[10:02] <Prinkster> Hey, can someone help me install a program?
[10:02] <CookdGryphon> okay, brb
[10:03] <Prinkster> I downloaded Stepmania for Linux, I'm not sure what to do with it.  There's a file called stepmania-3.9.-rcs.tar.gz sitting on my desktop and I'm not sure what to do with it.
[10:04] <none_-> Prinkster, open a terminal
[10:04] <none_-> tar -zxvf filename
[10:04] <Prinkster> Kay.
[10:04] <none_-> actually
[10:04] <none_-> cd Destop/
[10:04] <none_-> then tar -zxvf
[10:05] <none_-> Desktop/ even
[10:05] <Prinkster> What's that do?
[10:05] <none_-> cd Desktop/ Changes Directory to Desktop
[10:05] <Prinkster> Yeah.
[10:06] <none_-> tar -zxvf decompresses and extracts the file
[10:06] <djp> will/does breezy incorporate openoffice.org 2.0?
[10:06] <Prinkster> Okay, that un-tarred it, but how do I install it?
[10:06] <none_-> cd to the new directory
[10:06] <tux-rox> djp, yes
[10:06] <dabaR> they have a bin file on the website.
[10:06] <none_-> type ls
[10:06] <none_-> look for a ./configure file
[10:07] <Prinkster> Hmmm, I don't see one...
[10:07] <none_-> gotta read the docs then
[10:07] <Prinkster> I don't recognize this thing... GtkModule.so
[10:07] <none_-> look for a README
[10:07] <Prinkster> Could that have anything to do with it?
[10:07] <none_-> that's a library file
[10:07] <dabaR> Prinkster: http://prdownloads.sf.net/stepmania/StepMania-3.9-rc1-linux.tar.gz
[10:07] <apollo2011> I am learning Spanish and I added the Spanish keyboard layout in the Keyboard Preferences, the only problem I am having now is understanding how I access the different characters assigned to the keys.  The layout map shows 4 keys to most of the alphabet keys, but I can only access lower case and upper case (what about the other 2 characters?).  The other thing is I can't find out how to do accented characters...can someone tell me how I do these thing
[10:07] <apollo2011> s?
[10:07] <dabaR> nono.
[10:07] <Prinkster> dabaR, that's the file I have,.
[10:08] <dabaR> Prinkster: just a sec.
[10:08] <Prinkster> Nevermind, it's not, lemme get that.
[10:08] <none_-> it would be best to get the binary; ubuntu doesn't install tools to compile by default
[10:09] <Prinkster> Alright.
[10:09] <f||bber> anyone converts from Fedora in here?
[10:09] <djjason> does anyone know why I cant launch a java app from a gnome launcher, it cant find my JAVA_HOME variable but it is set in .bashrc, everything works fine in command promt?
[10:09] <djp> tux-rox: is there a workaround with regards the incorporation of sun's java in the latest openoffice.org release?
[10:09] <aimaz> djjason, you could try setting it in the .gnomerc file
[10:09] <none_-> djjason, the GNOME launcher doesn't use bash
[10:09] <aimaz> .bashrc is only for bash shell
[10:10] <theeil> how do you mount bin/cue files?
[10:10] <black_13> does cdebootstrap work for hoary ?
[10:10] <none_-> theeil: convert them to iso
[10:10] <theeil> none_-: what app?
[10:10] <none_-> IIRC bin/cue is a proprietary format
[10:10] <none_-> dunno
[10:11] <djjason> I did try to use .gnomerc but it made no difference
[10:11] <LasseL> theeil, if it is a movie you have I think mplayer will play it directly
[10:11] <djp> basically tux-rox, does the openoffice 2 version included in breezy use gcj?
[10:11] <Prinkster> Hey dabaR, I downloaded that file and there's still no ./configure file.
[10:11] <theeil> none_-: it's a CD
[10:11] <none_-> djjason, then create a small shell script and launch it from bash
[10:11] <dmk> djjason, just write a small script and place it /usr/bi
[10:11] <none_-> er, GNOME
[10:11] <dabaR> Prinkster: unpacked it?
[10:11] <Prinkster> Yeah.
[10:12] <f||bber> I have two disks, one with XP, Master and the second Slave, Im about to Install Ubuntu - Will the bootloader write to the master disk?
[10:12] <dabaR> Prinkster: go into its folder, and type in killall esd first. that will kill all the sound on your system.
[10:12] <Prinkster> Er, why do I wanna do that?
[10:12] <none_-> theeil, yeah.. but the ripper converts it to a specific format
[10:12] <dabaR> Prinkster: but you need to do it, cause otherwise it wont load for you. Also, do you have direct rendering enabled on your machine?
[10:12] <Prinkster> Um, what's direct rendering?
[10:12] <Prinkster> (Sorry, I'm a Linux newbie.)
[10:13] <djp> does anyone know here, if openoffice 2 that will/is included with breezy badger use the gcj version or the non-free java version?
[10:13] <dabaR> no idea, something to do with graphics cards, not a linux thing, btw...
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:/tmp$ wish
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> Application initialization failed: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
[10:13] <Prinkster> Um, I don't *think* so.
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> Tk 8.4 has been broken for eternity in breezy.
[10:13] <Prinkster> But I might, is there a way to check?  Because SM worked just fine on my Windows boot on this computer.
[10:13] <none_-> direct rendering is for direct access to graphics cards
[10:14] <dabaR> yes, it would work...anyhow, Prinkster, let us start with that folder, type in ./stepmania and press enter.
[10:14] <HappyFool> Prinkster: i can't remember the precise definition, but the question can be phrased: have you installed ubuntu drivers for your graphics card?
[10:14] <f||bber> I have two disks, one with XP, Master and the second Slave, Im about to Install Ubuntu - Will the bootloader write to the master disk?
[10:14] <Kuresu> there we go
[10:14] <none_-> Prinkster: type glxinfo|grep Direct in a terminal
[10:14] <Prinkster> Your system is reporting that direct rendering is not available.  Please obtain an updated driver from your video card manufacturer.
[10:14] <none_-> that will tell you
[10:14] <Prinkster> After doing ./stepmania
[10:14] <Kuresu> i need help
[10:14] <Kuresu> its about root
[10:14] <dabaR> Prinkster: you have killall esd, tho, right?
[10:14] <Prinkster> Yeah.
[10:15] <HappyFool> it's 'direct', not 'Direct'
[10:15] <Kuresu> i don't know how to access it in ubuntu
[10:15] <dabaR> !root
[10:15] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:15] <none_-> what HappyFool said ;)
[10:15] <Kuresu> whenever i try to install it
[10:15] <HappyFool> Kuresu: read that wiki link (RootSudo)
[10:16] <dabaR> Prinkster: well, now you know you want to enable that thing. Do you have an on-board graphics card, or a pci one?
[10:16] <Prinkster> I think it's onboard, because it's a laptop so probably not PCI.
[10:16] <Kuresu> im on it
[10:16] <none_-> Prinkster: linux has limited support for most graphics cards
[10:16] <Kuresu> i tried the su root passwd
[10:16] <djjason> thanks guys....that shell script did the trick
[10:17] <Kuresu> but when i try to access root after that
[10:17] <Prinkster> So does that mean I probably can't run it?
[10:17] <none_-> Kuresu, type sudo bash
[10:17] <none_-> Prinkster: probably not.. what kind of card do you have?
[10:17] <Prinkster> Er, how can I check?
[10:17] <Kuresu> what is sudo bash
[10:17] <dabaR> Prinkster: not really. but it means you know you need to learn how to enable that thing, and whether you can.
[10:17] <none_-> lspci -v
[10:17] <HappyFool> Kuresu: do 'sudo -s' instead
[10:17] <HappyFool> Kuresu: that will give you a root shell
[10:18] <Kuresu> will it allow me to use the command
[10:18] <Kuresu> atp-get install xmms f. example
[10:18] <none_-> yes
[10:18] <none_-> although, sudo apt-get install xmms
[10:18] <none_-> works as well
[10:18] <Kuresu> really
[10:18] <HappyFool> or just use synaptic
[10:18] <Kuresu> ?
[10:18] <none_-> yep
[10:18] <Kuresu> i could've sworn i used that
[10:18] <Kuresu> and it asked for a pass
[10:18] <Kuresu> let me just log in to ubuntu
[10:18] <Kuresu> im currently in XP
[10:18] <Kuresu> brb
[10:18] <Prinkster> Oh, hey, I found my Video card: ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) 9000 IGP
[10:19] <Kuresu> and thanks for the assistance guys
[10:19] <dabaR> !ati
[10:19] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[10:19] <dabaR> go read, and come back if you need clarification on specific parts, dont come bnack and say: " It dont work"
[10:19] <Prinkster> Haha, okay.
[10:19] <none_-> ATI supports linux fairly well
[10:19] <none_-> you might be in luck
[10:20] <dabaR> and, Im off for now, gotta read a book on technical writing for school.
[10:20] <none_-> have fun
[10:20] <fizzle> hey i just installed fluxbox but whenever i use it, it is slow as DIRT. its slower than gnome and it freezes up when i try to do something. anyone?
[10:20] <none_-> try another window manager?
[10:21] <none_-> xfce4 is great
[10:21] <dabaR> #fluxbox
[10:21] <none_-> enlightenment is great
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> Bug List
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> 
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> Tue Sep 6 21:20:18 BST 2005
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> obscene arse drilling
[10:21] <bluefoxicy> From the Ubuntu bugzilla
[10:22] <none_-> doesn't sound like a bug to me ;)
[10:22] <bluefoxicy> none_-:  Nope, it's a quote about anal sex.
[10:22] <none_-> more like a feature..
[10:22] <dabaR> haha
[10:22] <dabaR> more like a feature...
[10:22] <bluefoxicy> anal sex -- a feature of being gay
[10:23] <bluefoxicy> :>
[10:23] <meuserj|work> whoa.. I switched back to this channel at the wrong time...
[10:23] <fizzle> lol
[10:23] <bluefoxicy> yeah, we're talking about features in gheyd
[10:24] <djp> can anyobdy give me some advice with regards openoffice and breezy badger?
[10:24] <z0unds> hey can someone give me some advise on how to make my microphone to work?
[10:24] <none_-> plug it in, run alsamixer
[10:24] <_mindspin> I 'd like to mount a samba share on boot (kubuntu), it works from script "by hand", but neither from fstab, nor smbfstab, any idea?
[10:24] <fizzle> also aumix if u have it installed and make sure it is set to capture
[10:25] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, why doesn't it work from fstab?
[10:25] <_mindspin> I have no clue
[10:25] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, I mean, what does it do when you try to mount it.
[10:26] <_mindspin> mounting network file system (or alike) failed
[10:26] <fizzle> can i use apt-get to install xfce and all its dependcies using one command/
[10:26] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, paste your fstab in the pastebin
[10:26] <none_-> yes
[10:26] <none_-> xfce4
[10:26] <none_-> though
[10:26] <fizzle> apt-get install xfce4?
[10:27] <none_-> yep
[10:27] <dabaR> sudo aptitude install xfce4
[10:27] <_mindspin> in #flood?
[10:27] <dabaR> !paste
[10:27] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[10:27] <meuserj|work> !pastebin
[10:27] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:27] <djp> wohay!!! "Openoffice2 from Breezy is compiled with the GCJ 4.0 native Java system", quoted from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&page=17&pp=10&highlight=openoffice+gcj. i love ubuntu!
[10:27] <none_-> lol
[10:27] <fizzle> how do i remove the fluxbox package/
[10:27] <none_-> apt-get --purge remove fluxbox
[10:28] <pussfeller> why didnt they use like, python or ruby instead of java
[10:28] <none_-> apt-get --purge remove $(deborphan)
[10:28] <pussfeller> i mean, i KNOW why they use java, since its sun
[10:28] <none_-> java is faster
[10:28] <CookedGryphon> I'm still having problems getting my network to work, ie it isn't working, can anyone walk me through it? i have no idea what i'm doing
[10:28] <pussfeller> hmph
[10:28] <meuserj|work> none_-, watch it.. I think you are about to start a flamewar...
[10:28] <djp> pussfeller: :) at least people are trying to keep openoffice free... http://www.fsf.org/news/open-office-java.html ;)
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> deborphan will remove additional gstreamer plugins
[10:29] <arture> \join #ubuntu-de
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> deborphan -a will remove ubuntu-desktop :P
[10:29] <pussfeller> yes, at least that
[10:29] <pussfeller> i heard 2.0 is alot better
[10:29] <none_-> doesn't matter, ubuntu-desktop is not needed once it's installed
[10:29] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: ok, so, now, you have your two machines connected with the patch cable...
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> none_-:  when you upgrade it's needed.
[10:29] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: and, you want to use FTP to transfer files between then?
[10:29] <djp> pussfeller: my concern was that if breezy used the sun java version it would compromise a lot of users, especially if it was installed by default
[10:29] <none_-> why?
[10:30] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, that would be a start yes
[10:30] <z0unds> in alsamixer it says: Mic [Off]  how do i turn it on?
[10:30] <_mindspin> meuserj|work: pasted it
[10:30] <fizzle> hit the M keyt
[10:30] <fizzle> key*
[10:30] <_mindspin> in #flood
[10:30] <z0unds> yeah works now thx Filbert
[10:30] <fizzle> z0unds, hit "M"
[10:30] <z0unds> fizzle,
[10:30] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: how about the laptop, that is the computer that is not online atm, right? the other computer...
[10:30] <z0unds> sry :)
[10:30] <djp> pussfeller: i should have had more faith i guess... ;)
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> pussfeller:  I doubt  Java 2.0 will actually work under a PaX, proper SELinux, or GrSecurity system, or whatnot.  JIT compilers and VMs tend to really send security systems for a loop; although they CAN be designed better :(
[10:30] <z0unds> fizzle, if i push escape is it saved?
[10:30] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, ideally i would then set it up so that i could upgrade my laptop using my other computer's connection
[10:30] <fizzle> yes
[10:30] <CookedGryphon> daba, yes
[10:30] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, *
[10:31] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, well, I wasn't in flood... either paste it in flood again, or use the pastebin
[10:31] <pussfeller> weell thats partly my point, why jump thru the hoops to use a hack of a proprietary language instaed of OS ones that are easier to work with anyways
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> none_-:  well, ubuntu-desktop has depended on added applications and python packages before that nothing else depended on.
[10:31] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: um...go to the laptop, and type in ifconfig, tell me what that does.
[10:31] <CookedGryphon> ok
[10:31] <Quinthius> none_-: ubuntu-desktop is a "meta" package, used to pull in other packages. if new packages are added to it, or rename, etc. then you won't get them if you don't have ubuntu-desktop..
[10:31] <dabaR> other than a lo.
[10:31] <_mindspin> I'll take pastebin
[10:31] <concept10> Has anyone sucessfully used the shares-admin dialog box for mounting samba or nfs?
[10:31] <none_-> hmm, i see
[10:31] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, it comes up with stats for eth0 and lo
[10:31] <z0unds> fizzle, i put Mic on but it still dosnt work
[10:31] <concept10> (System > Admin > Shared folders)
[10:31] <dabaR> whats the IP under eth0?
[10:31] <pussfeller> if you need tath kinda security, you wont be using OO or a desktop
[10:32] <black_13> has cdebootstrap been ported to ubuntu ?
[10:32] <none_-> never used the default install before
[10:32] <Quinthius> none_-: since upgrading goes by the packages you have... it may upgrade what you have, but there's no guarantee you're getting a "full" or proper upgrade
[10:32] <kandoora_> does anyone have scribus
[10:32] <_mindspin> http://pastebin.com/356405
[10:32] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, there isn't anything listed as IP
[10:32] <none_-> right
[10:32] <CookedGryphon> there's an inet6 addr
[10:32] <none_-> never thought about that
[10:33] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: ok, on the laptop, go into System>Administration>Network
[10:33] <none_-> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.55 up
[10:33] <Seveas> KABOOM
[10:33] <Seveas> :)
[10:33] <f||bber> I have two disks, one with XP, Master and the second Slave, Im about to Install Ubuntu - Will the bootloader write to the master disk?
[10:33] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, yeah
[10:33] <none_-> f||bber: it will probably tell you
[10:33] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, try using cifs instead of smbfs.. I've always had more luck with cifs.
[10:33] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: and, there is a eth0 there, right, click on properties, and set up a static IP, like, 192.168.0.2, or something.
[10:33] <Quinthius> none_-: but in general i think it's safe to not have ubuntu-desktop if you aren't upgrading... i would just re-add it before upgrading
[10:33] <CookedGryphon> okay
[10:34] <_mindspin> meuserj|work: do I have to install it first?
[10:34] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, I don't think so... let me check
[10:34] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, right, with u so far
[10:34] <none_-> all i know is ubuntu-desktop includes about a million packages i have no use for
[10:34] <CookedGryphon> i had already done this b4, but then i changed it all when it dint work
[10:34] <Raven> I'm a new user and don't know how to set up my modem in Ubuntu
[10:34] <Raven> modem is a CNet 56k
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> none_- : yeh
[10:34] <lsuactiafner> Raven : internal or external modem?
[10:35] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: set up a mask, but no gateway.
[10:35] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, it's included with the smbfs package
[10:35] <lsuactiafner> !modem
[10:35] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:35] <fsmw_> hi huys!
[10:35] <lsuactiafner> !winmodem
[10:35] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:35] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, should i leave the mask as the default one that comes up?
[10:35] <_mindspin> ok I'll reboot
[10:35] <dabaR> yes.
[10:35] <none_-> !ppp
[10:35] <ubotu> none_-: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[10:35] <fsmw_> i got problems with my keyboard and xorg
[10:35] <none_-> heh..
[10:35] <none_-> usb keyboard?
[10:35] <fsmw_> i can't get my latam keyboard since i've upgraded from hoary
[10:35] <meuserj|work> _mindspin, you also might want to look into using a credentials file instead of having your password in plaintext on a world readable file.
[10:36] <QMario> Seveas, what did you do?
[10:36] <fsmw_> none_-, it is my laptop keyboard
[10:36] <OneSeventeen> I'd like to make a java applet for a website, I have the source helloworld.java file written, now what do I do to compile it?  (should I install sun-j2sdk1.5, available in Development(non free)?  if so, how do I use it?)
[10:36] <none_-> fsmw_: dmesg|grep keyboard
[10:36] <Seveas> QMario, opening #ubuntu again and trying to ban the remaining spambots
[10:36] <pussfeller> whats the proper xkb layout for logitech elite?
[10:36] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: then ok, and then select that eth0 and activate.
[10:36] <QMario> Okay.
[10:36] <CookedGryphon> dabaR,  done
[10:36] <fsmw_> none_-, [4294671.748000]  input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0
[10:36] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: then again ifconfig, and tell me whether you get an IP there now, the static one you set up.
[10:36] <CookedGryphon> yep
[10:37] <dabaR> ok. Now we need to set up this one with a same mask, and a slightly different IP address.
[10:37] <dabaR> Seveas: what are you doing?
[10:37] <none_-> are you sure you are using hoary?
[10:37] <CookedGryphon> well i think so anyway, its labelled as inet addr
[10:37] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: and the one you jsut set up, right?
[10:37] <Seveas> dabaR, , opening #ubuntu again and trying to ban the remaining spambots
[10:38] <dabaR> ok, Seveas.
[10:38] <Quinthius> what's the deal with the spam bots anyway? is it a problem plaguing freenode in general or just #ubuntu?
[10:38] <none_-> IRC in general
[10:38] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, right, have set this up with 192.168.0.1, that right? and the same mask, no gateway
[10:38] <pussfeller> freenode lately i guess in particular
[10:38] <darkheart> Internet in general =)
[10:39] <pussfeller> i havent had that much prob with em here
[10:39] <none_-> make the mask 255.255.255.0
[10:39] <Quinthius> is it like a specific group, or just random spammers getting more popular?
[10:39] <pawdro> has anyone installed modem adsl SAGEM FAST 800?
[10:39] <pawdro> hello;)
[10:39] <dabaR> well, you need one set up as 192.168.0.1, and the other as 192.168.0.2, for example, yes, CookedGryphon.
[10:39] <Mystery47_Newbie> hi! How can i unzip (.zip) file? Manually?
[10:39] <CookedGryphon> oh wait, this one's coming up with the default mask as 255.0.0.0 could that be what was wrong b4
[10:39] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone configured php in *nixx using a smtp-relay server?
[10:39] <none_-> spambots have been on irc for years
[10:39] <fsmw_> none_-, even if i change config in gnome i got the same result
[10:39] <Seveas> pussfeller, that's because #ubuntu was on +r for a week
[10:39] <pawdro> on colony 4?
[10:39] <dmk> unzip <filename>
[10:39] <CookedGryphon> as the other is 255.255.255.0
[10:39] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: I get it, try setting them both to be same.
[10:39] <CookedGryphon> kk
[10:39] <fsmw_> also i've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i can't get my kbd working
[10:40] <IcemanV9> pawdro: use pppoeconfig to configure your adsl modem
[10:40] <Mystery47_Newbie> ok...and it unzip it where? or must i put place where to unzip?
[10:40] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, now comes the point where previously when i activated it it cut off my internet
[10:40] <dabaR> set them both up as said, and then check with ifconfig on this machine whether you have that IP under eth0.
[10:40] <pussfeller> cd to the dir you want it to be in or use the -d option
[10:40] <CookedGryphon> so taht's what's happened if i disappear
[10:40] <none_-> does X fail to start?
[10:40] <dmk> unzip <filename> -d <path>
[10:40] <black_13> where is the fact on building debian debian source package
[10:40] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: right. try pinging the other machine if you get offline.
[10:40] <CookedGryphon> am i still here?
[10:40] <dmk> just check out unzip --help
[10:41] <CookedGryphon> yah! lol
[10:41] <Mystery47_Newbie> And -d makes directory what is in the zip file...am i right?
[10:41] <CookedGryphon> its activated and i'm still onlkine
[10:41] <dmk> or man unzip
[10:41] <robotgeek> fsmw_: try xkeycaps and reconfigure your keyboard, i guess
[10:41] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: and, what about ifconfig, showing the IP?
[10:41] <fsmw_> none_-, i got my x working but my keyboard are in english
[10:41] <CookedGryphon> yep
[10:41] <CookedGryphon> its all good
[10:41] <none_-> fsmw_: you don't want english?
[10:41] <chrissturm> how do i make a screenshot of the current window?
[10:41] <vbgunz> fsmw_ whats the problem? Video?
[10:41] <none_-> you need to specify a keymap, if so
[10:41] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: try from this machine, ping other.IP.address.blah
[10:41] <dabaR> in a terminal.
[10:42] <robotgeek> chrissturm: system -> take screenshot
[10:42] <fizzle> hey i just installed xfce4 and im trying to play music in xmms but it wont let me :(
[10:42] <Mystery47_Newbie> ill try...thanks all
[10:42] <fsmw_> none_-, i want a latinamerican kbd, "latam" i've specified that
[10:42] <dabaR> fizzle: more info.
[10:42] <fsmw_> vbgunz, i can't use my latinamerican kbd
[10:42] <fizzle> it says my sound card is in use
[10:42] !lilo:*! Hi all. Just to remind you: we're currently blocking private messages from unregistered users. Please register your nick ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ). If your nick is registered, you can unblock those private messages with: '/msg nickserv set unfiltered on' .... thanks!
[10:42] <chrissturm> robotgeek, "the current window"
[10:42] <none_-> i have no idea then, fsmw_
[10:42] <vbgunz> oh... I thought the problem was with video
[10:42] <fsmw_> robotgeek, what it is xkeycaps?
[10:42] <_mindspin> meuserj|work: "error connecting IP4 socket" and blah.... errorcode 104
[10:42] <robotgeek> chrissturm: oops
[10:42] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[10:42] <fsmw_> thanks none_-
[10:42] <none_-> good luck..
[10:42] <Quinthius> fizzle: have you set xmms to use esound output plugin?
[10:43] <dabaR> so, you have that IP in ifconfig on the other computer, tho?
[10:43] <robotgeek> chrissturm: i believe gimp has a few features
[10:43] <fizzle> yes
[10:43] <fsmw_> xkeycaps - manipulate X11 keymaps (for xmodmap) graphically
[10:43] <chrissturm> robotgeek, <alt><print>
[10:43] <fsmw_> robotgeek, how can i reconfigure my keyboard?
[10:43] <chrissturm> robotgeek, just found it in "keyboard shortcuts"
[10:43] <dabaR> maybe xfce uses another sound daemon, or maybe you need to start esd in a terminal.
[10:43] <_mindspin> meuserj|work: did you see my post?
[10:44] <robotgeek> fsmw_: i dunno much abt layouts
[10:44] <fizzle> esd?
[10:44] <none_-> xfce doesn't include a sound daemon
[10:44] <robotgeek> chrissturm: i dont have a print button!
[10:44] <dabaR> fizzle: type in esd and press enter in a terminal.
[10:44] <none_-> you might want to look through lsof to see if your sound device is being used
[10:44] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: so, you have that IP in ifconfig on the other computer, tho?
[10:44] <NeoFax> I am having problems getting KDM to work in Breezy.  It will not start any WM's
[10:45] <NeoFax> Does anyone know how to set it up so that I can log in to my system?
[10:45] <ompaul> Seveas, ... +r ?
[10:45] <none_-> NeoFax, meaning what? non-graphical?
[10:45] <dabaR> why are you using breezy when you have such bad questions?
[10:46] <Seveas> ompaul, no
[10:46] <NeoFax> No, I want to login to KDE
[10:46] <ompaul> k
[10:46] <Seveas> only when the volume of joins/parts gets annoying
[10:46] <none_-> switch to hoary
[10:46] <none_-> breezy is not stable
[10:46] <ompaul> ahh
[10:46] <NeoFax> Thanks for the help dabaR!
[10:46] <Kuresu> back
[10:46] <dabaR> it is quite so at this time, Seveas:)
[10:47] <Seveas> dabaR, I disagree. 2 of them in a few minutes time is hardly annoying
[10:47] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, hmm, neither computer can ping the other, they can pping themselves tho if that's any help
[10:47] <_mindspin> meuserj|work: "error connecting IP4 socket" and blah.... errorcode 104
[10:47] <Kuresu> is anyone using cedega
[10:48] <NeoFax> none_-: I have been using linux for a while, and Breezy is fairly stable.
[10:48] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: post your ifconfig from both computers, and /etc/network/interfaces files, and label them nicely so I know which is which computer.
[10:48] <NeoFax> I just can't get KDM to work properly. It does not give any error when it states that it should in its configs using Xmessage.
[10:48] <none_-> it doesn't work at all for me
[10:48] <chavo> Kuresu, I use cedega
[10:49] <CookedGryphon> okay then.. jsut a min, i'll have to get my usbstick , i'm not typing out all that from my laptop
[10:49] <_mindspin> anyone having an idea why mounting a samba share on bootup fails with this "error connecting ipv4 socket" message
[10:49] <_mindspin> it means that the network is not reacable
[10:49] <_mindspin> reachable
[10:49] <bipolar> NeoFax, even GDM has some problems in breezy. I don't know why. It's just annoying.
[10:49] <none_-> i've never used KDM. sounds like a config problem though
[10:49] <_mindspin> I would guess its a timing problem
[10:49] <dabaR> I would guess he told you nothing about the error, so go ahead and guess.
[10:50] <bipolar> NeoFax, we need more info. can you start KDE with startx?
[10:50] <NeoFax> bipolar: I have been using GDM up until now, with no problems.  It is just KDM
[10:50] <No1Viking> Hello. I have no colors in the filenames in the terminal window. Any idea how to fix this?
[10:50] <none_-> he said there is no error
[10:50] <_mindspin> timing problem is allthe time my guess, cause mounting the share works fine by script after I#m logged in
[10:50] <Kuresu> test
[10:51] <bipolar> NeoFax, is it just dumping back to KDM instead of loading kde?
[10:51] <none_-> No1Viking: man ls
[10:51] <NeoFax> bipolar: I can log in to KDE via the console or from GDM, just not KDM.  Nor does it give any errors in auth.log or kdm.log or syslog
[10:51] <Kuresu> test
[10:51] <dabaR>  Bergcube, are you a bot?
[10:51] <none_-> there's a --colors switch or something like that
[10:51] <Kuresu> hmm
[10:51] <TokenBad> in ubuntu to get k3b its just apt-get install k3b right?
[10:51] <NeoFax> bipolar: That is correct it just sends me back to KDM
[10:51] <Bergcube> dabaR~ Hehe.  No, not at all.  I have gone a little wild, setting up Xchat to do some stuff automagically.
[10:51] <none_-> yes, TokenBad
[10:52] <Kuresu> isn't sudo needed
[10:52] <bipolar> NeoFax, check the kdm config files and see what it's trying to run for the kde session. then open X in failsafe and run it from the terminal.
[10:52] <darkheart> Kuresu Yes it is, but it's somewhat implied.
[10:52] <TokenBad> well figured sudo was needed..but just wanted to know if could get it that way
[10:52] <Bergcube> dabaR~ So now when I start Xchat it logs me onto two different nets, enters a few channels and registers at Nickserv for me on it's own.  :-)  mIRC can eat it's heart out.
[10:52] <Kuresu> hehe, its only me who had a hard time figuring that out
[10:52] <none_-> worked fine for me
[10:53] <Kuresu> what can i say
[10:53] <Kuresu> im a linux newb
[10:53] <none_-> there's a lot of them in this channel :)
[10:53] <darkheart> Kuresu =)
[10:53] <Kuresu> test
[10:53] <Kuresu> stupid text
[10:54] <Kuresu> how do i change colors
[10:54] <Kuresu> my text is grey
[10:54] <Seveas> not
[10:54] <NeoFax> bipolar: Thanks! I will check the KDE start session.
[10:54] <Seveas> in this channel colors are prohibited
[10:54] <none_-> what client are you using?
[10:54] <test34> I use dpkg to install a single .deb file ?
[10:54] <none_-> dpkg -i
[10:54] <Bergcube> Kuresu~ Find comfort in the fact that there's an infinitely huge chasm between a linux newbie and a clueless newbie.  Most cluebies will never aspire to the level of Linux newbie.  So there!
[10:54] <test34> ok thanks none
[10:55] <Kuresu> whats the name of that messenger that supports just about every windows messenger
[10:55] <Kuresu> its not gaim
[10:55] <Kuresu> its that other one
[10:55] <none_-> jabber?
[10:55] <Answer> trillian
[10:55] <Kuresu> jabber
[10:55] <Answer> www.trillian.cc
[10:55] <Kuresu> thanks a bunch none
[10:55] <Kuresu> is trillian also for linux?
[10:55] <No1Viking> none_-: ls --color=always gives colors that time. When doing ls next time there are no colors again
[10:55] <Answer> Jabber is just a protocol.  The client is for example Exodus.
[10:55] <bipolar> Kuresu, jabber is not a client. It's a protocal and server.
[10:55] <Seveas> jabber is a protocol that offers transports to other networks
[10:55] <Bergcube> I used Trillian in the bad old days inder window$....  *Shudder*  Trillian was not good for me.
[10:55] <Seveas> it's not a messenger
[10:56] <none_-> No1Viking: you need to put it in .bashrc
[10:56] <Seveas> gajim is a nice jabber client
[10:56] <Kuresu> oh
[10:56] <none_-> telephone call..
[10:56] <black_13> sorry to ask again i want to build cdebootstrap from the debian source package
[10:56] <Answer> Exodus = Jabber Client,  Jive = Jabber Server
[10:56] <Kuresu> so i should get exodus then?
[10:56] <Seveas> but gaim and kopete are true multiprotocol clients
[10:56] <bipolar> Kuresu, Gaim has a windows version.
[10:56] <Answer> Exodus is a Windows Jabber Client.
[10:56] <Kuresu> never heard of it
[10:56] <Bergcube> Kuresu~ Out of curiosity....  What is it Gaim DOESN'T do for you?
[10:57] <Kuresu> not sure
[10:57] <Kuresu> haven't tried it :p
[10:57] <Kuresu> does it support gmail
[10:57] <Kuresu> ???
[10:57] <Seveas> every jabber client supports google talk
[10:57] <Kuresu> my gmail has my .net passport
[10:57] <bipolar> black_13, you want to build the debbootstrap package from a source deb?
[10:57] <Kuresu> so i should get jabber?
[10:57] <Answer> You should get a clue
[10:57] <Answer> :)
[10:57] <black_13> bipolar cdebootstrap actually but yes
[10:57] <bipolar> heh
[10:58] <Seveas> Kuresu, depends on what you want...
[10:58] <Seveas> if you only want to use msn - then no
[10:58] <NeoFax> bipolar: OK, it says no profile for $USER found.  How do I setup this profile?
[10:58] <Bergcube> Kuresu~ I access ICQ, two different Yahoo Messenger accounts and MSN Messenger at the same time from Gaim.  Works as a charm.
[10:58] <Kuresu> something that can allow me to use my gmail as an account and that can allow me to chat wil all my msn friends
[10:58] <Kuresu> kewl
[10:59] <Seveas> Kuresu, gaim does that
[10:59] <bipolar> NeoFax, I'm not sure what that error means. You should ask in #kde or google for it.
[10:59] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1971 sorry i took so long, got caught up
[10:59] <No1Viking> none_-: There are no bashrc in my /home
[10:59] <Seveas> No1Viking, .bashrc
[10:59] <Seveas> it starts with a .
[11:00] <brinebold> does anyone here work with gnome launchers often?
[11:00] <No1Viking> Yeah, not there
[11:00] <Seveas> and nautilus usually does not show these files
[11:00] <Seveas> enable 'Show hidden files'
[11:00] <No1Viking> Well, I did a ls -la
[11:00] <Seveas> that should do it
[11:00] <No1Viking> Mmmm
[11:00] <Answer> Please state your question in one line, including relevent environment information.
[11:01] <Seveas> Answer, ?
[11:01] <No1Viking> Should I create a .bashrc?
[11:01] <bipolar> black_13, I guess it's just like building any other debian package. I'm not sure how to do that though :p
[11:01] <Seveas> No1Viking, only if you need one :)
[11:01] <No1Viking> OK, thanks Seveas
[11:01] <none_-> ls /etc/skel
[11:01] <none_-> cp /etc/skel bashrc ~/
[11:01] <none_-> cp /etc/skel/bashrc ~/
[11:01] <brinebold> I need someone to help me create a launcher for WoW but it has to also run the command      WINEPRELOADER_SETVALEGACY="no"      as well as      cedega /home/brandon/TransGaming_Drive/World\ of\ Warcraft/WoW.exe
[11:02] <No1Viking> none_-: again thanks!  :)
[11:02] <none_-> well..
[11:02] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: looks fine, except there is no eth0 entry in the interfaces file on the PC...but, the ifconfig shows it as up, so that is fine, I would think.
[11:02] <none_-> .bashrc
[11:02] <Answer> brinebold: make a script with those commands, make the launcher run that script
[11:02] <Seveas> brinebold, let it run it as one command: WINEPRELOADER_SETVALEGACY="no" cedega /home/brandon/TransGaming_Drive/World\ of\ Warcraft/WoW.exe
[11:02] <brinebold> it gives me the error Cannot launch icon
[11:02] <brinebold> Details: Failed to execute child process "WINEPRELOADER_SETVALEGACY=no" (No such file or directory)
[11:02] <bipolar> black_13, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20
[11:02] <none_-> cp /etc/skel/bashrc ~/.bashrc
[11:02] <Seveas> Answer, not needed...
[11:02] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: try turning off your ppp0, I guess. and do you have firewalls installed?
[11:02] <Kuresu> hey
[11:03] <Kuresu> gaim works
[11:03] <brinebold> i'd already tried that
[11:03] <Kuresu> awesome
[11:03] <cusco> what?
[11:03] <Seveas> that :)
[11:03] <Kuresu> :D
[11:03] <Bergcube> Kuresu~ Congrats!
[11:03] <cusco> oh!
[11:03] <cusco> oki!
[11:03] <CookedGryphon> dabaR, i haven't done anything firewally taht didn't come with the install
[11:03] <fizzle> i just installed idesk but it wont work. i get this message: Can't find config file or missing 'Config' table in the config file.
[11:03] <fizzle> . so ya anyone ever used idesk?
[11:04] <Seveas> idesk?
[11:04] <fizzle> yes
[11:04] <BockBilbo> whats the name for the esound server?
[11:04] <chavo> fizzle, you have to create a config file
[11:04] <BockBilbo> esd?
[11:04] <BockBilbo> esdplay?
[11:04] <dabaR> CookedGryphon: ok, then, try disabling the ppp0 on the desktop, if you want.
[11:04] <dabaR> esd
[11:04] <dabaR> then try pinging.
[11:04] <Webby`> why can't i install breezy? i get an error when it's trying to install the base system. should i burn another copy?
[11:05] <dabaR> Webby`: I had the same error.
[11:05] <BockBilbo> thanks dabaR
[11:05] <fizzle> chavo, ; yes but where
[11:05] <Kuresu> i installed
[11:05] <Kuresu> xmms
[11:05] <Kuresu> but i can't find it
[11:05] <Webby`> dabar: how did you fix it?
[11:05] <chavo> fizzle, can't remember it's been a while since I played with it
[11:05] <Seveas> Kuresu, applications -> sound & video -> xmms
[11:05] <dabaR> Kuresu: Apps>SOund&Video.
[11:05] <dabaR> Webby`: I throw the cd out the window:)
[11:05] <Webby`> dabaR: :)
[11:05] <Kuresu> only rythmbox is there
[11:06] <fizzle> Kuresu, if u installed xmms run the xmms command and change your output plugin to esound and if it doesnt let u play songs type esd in terminal then close terminal and try again
[11:06] <dabaR> fizzle: hehe, no, not in all cases...just when esd is not running.
[11:06] <Kuresu> should i tye more than : sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:06] <dabaR> fizzle: his error is gonna be that xmms will freeze up when he tries to play a file.
[11:06] <Kuresu> uh type
[11:06] <Kuresu> not tye
[11:06] <fizzle> yea
[11:06] <Seveas> fizzle, man idesk
[11:06] <dabaR> Kuresu: ya, thats fine, or sudo aptitude install xmms
[11:07] <Seveas> it explains the config business :)
[11:07] <Kuresu> what is an xmms command
[11:07] <puff> Hm, I can't seem to get flashs/hockwave working on firefox.
[11:07] <dabaR> xmms
[11:07] <chavo> fizzle, here's a graphical idesk config tool http://www.jmurray.id.au/ideskconf.html
[11:08] <puff> Kuresu: man xmms
[11:08] <dabaR> puff the magic dragon
[11:08] <chavo> it'll write the config file for you
[11:08] <Kuresu> no user interface?
[11:08] <puff> I hate websites that use applets or flash for functionally essential pieces of the site, like menus, for trivial reasons.  Like cellular-link.ca
[11:08] <puff> dabaR: puff the fractal dragon.
[11:09] <fizzle> also one more question. for some reason my computer keeps locking up ubexpectingly. maybe its from xmms or something? i dsunno
[11:09] <puff> Kuresu: Sure user interface.  Command-line user interface.
[11:09] <njal> any one here good with networking?
[11:10] <dabaR> fizzle: how does it lock up?
[11:10] <CookedGryphn> dabaR, hmm, killing the ppp0 doesn't work, i went back into the net config on here and it had gone back to dhcp
[11:10] <ompaul> !tell njal about ask
[11:10] <Kuresu> i don't get it
[11:10] <dabaR> CookedGryphn: so...did you change it to static again?
[11:11] <fizzle> dabaR, everything freezes and i cant switch tty screens or anything
[11:11] <njal> Ok I need to set up ubuntu as a router for my iBook
[11:11] <fizzle> so i have to powerdown my comp and restart
[11:11] <Kuresu> puff
[11:11] <puff> Kuresu: Me neither, I haven't actually tried xmms under ubuntu.   this page (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-886.html) seems to suggest that if you apt-get install xmms, log out and log back in, it'll show up in your menu.
[11:11] <njal> However i have gotten to the point where they ping each other
[11:11] <njal> and i don't know how to procede
[11:11] <Kuresu> oh ok
[11:11] <Kuresu> brb then
[11:11] <Kuresu> brb
[11:11] <dabaR> njal, what, ibook gets an IP from the ubuntu?
[11:11] <puff> Kuresu: No guarantees, however, like I said, I haven't tried this myself.
[11:12] <puff> I'm going to quit and reconnect, to flush my irc client's memory usae.
[11:12] <puff> BRB.
[11:12] <njal> No iBook has a static assigned ip i need ubuntu to share it's net connection
[11:12] <_jonas> hello there
[11:12] <disasm> njal: whats your external/internal ip?
[11:12] <njal> on the iBook?
[11:13] <Stark> Hi
[11:13] <dabaR> njal: well, install dnsmasq, and ipmasq, set up ibopok to use dhcp, and tell me whether that does it.
[11:13] <disasm> njal: -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to-source $INET_IP
[11:13] <njal> k
[11:13] <Stark> I was wondering if someone could help me
[11:13] <disasm> njal: errr iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to-source $INET_IP
[11:13] <njal> i'll set that up then
[11:14] <disasm> that one command should get internet sharing
[11:14] <zeus1_> how do u compile .tbz sources in ubuntu
[11:14] <Seveas> zeus1_, tbz?
[11:14] <njal> njal@ubuntu:~ $ iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to-source $INET_IP
[11:14] <njal> Bad argument `SNAT'
[11:14] <njal> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
[11:14] <zeus1_> seveas ya
[11:14] <Stark> I tried to start Ubuntu Live, but it said gtk-WARNING
[11:14] <njal> oh never mind
[11:14] <Kuresu> it worked
[11:14] <Seveas> njal, please don't paste in here
[11:14] <Kuresu> xmms shows up
[11:14] <Seveas> and run iptables as root :)
[11:15] <_lui_> hello
[11:15] <Seveas> zeus1_, what does 'file filename.tbz' say?
[11:15] <zeus1_> XML-Parser-2.34.tar.gz
[11:15] <_jonas> how to set X's resolution? ..like in gdm
[11:15] <Hergiswi> Hey guys, I have a quick question...I just did sudo apt-get upgrade, but how can I make sure that it actually upgraded to Hoary Hedgehog?
[11:15] <zeus1_> seveas XML-Parser-2.34.tar.gz
[11:15] <Stark> Could anyone help me out?
[11:15] <_jonas> hello _lui_
[11:16] <ompaul> njal, stick the command sudo in front of the command, and if you want to paste use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:16] <Seveas> zeus1_, there are tons of xml parsers in the repositories...
[11:16] <disasm> njal: sub $INET_IFACE with your external if (eth0) and $INET_IP with your external ip
[11:16] <CookedGryphon_> dabaR, its all goign wrong :(
[11:16] <Seveas> !tell _jonas about resolution
[11:16] <Stark> What does "gtk-WARNING" mean?
[11:16] <Hergiswi> Hey guys, I have a quick question...I just did sudo apt-get upgrade, but how can I make sure that it actually upgraded to Hoary Hedgehog?
[11:17] <zeus1_> ya but im following this tutorial http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_GIMPShop/ and I want to install the one needed in GIMPshop
[11:17] <zeus1_> seveas
[11:17] <Seveas> zeus1_, and .tar.gz is not .tbz....
[11:17] <njal> ok slow down there man, after installing these programs and running as route i got the same error
[11:17] <Seveas> zeus1_, should make no difference...
[11:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anybody point me toward a command list that has all the commands and descriptioins of what they do?
[11:17] <_jonas> Seveas: i did read that, but it doesn't work for me
[11:17] <zeus1_> k
[11:17] <Seveas> zeus1_, sudo apt-get build-dep gimp
[11:17] <_lui_> I need to know how to make a directory unreadable for anybody even for me as the owner only if I insert a password
[11:17] <Seveas> that installs all gimp buid dependencies
[11:17] <disasm> njal: if you want the whole script i use http://irc.gentux.org:8000/proxy
[11:18] <Stark> Does anyone know what "gtk-WARNING" means?
[11:18] <Seveas> which will get you a long way
[11:18] <njal> Let's take this one step at a time, how do find out my ip ddress?
[11:18] <njal> address?
[11:18] <disasm> Stark: context?
[11:18] <zeus1_> www.whatismyip.com
[11:18] <_lui_> I need to know how to make a directory unreadable for anybody even for me as the owner only if I insert a password
[11:18] <disasm> njal: ifconfig eth0 most likely
[11:18] <Stark> I'm trying to start up Ubuntu Live
[11:18] <_jonas> Stark: "gtk-WARNING" nothing more?
[11:18] <Seveas> _lui_, is it a file to store passwords?
[11:18] <Hergiswi> ok, there are definitely like too many people in here
[11:18] <Kuresu> hey puff
[11:18] <njal> Ok eth0 isn't my modem, i'll try ppp0 im sure that's what it is
[11:19] <Stark> Well, it also says "cannot open display"
[11:19] <Kuresu> or anyone else for that matter
[11:19] <Kuresu> xmms
[11:19] <Kuresu> won't play?
[11:19] <Stark> I typed in "x-session-manager"
[11:19] <disasm> njal: yeah, ppp0
[11:19] <_lui_> could be
[11:19] <Seveas> Stark, why?
[11:19] <Kuresu> who typed in the proper config for that earlier
[11:19] <disasm> njal: sorry not used to dial-up
[11:19] <Seveas> Kuresu: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:19] <njal> the inet address presumably?
[11:19] <Hergiswi> So is anyone gonna answer me?
[11:19] <Stark> That's the error I got when I started up Live
[11:19] <Bergcube> Hergiswi~ You realise there are several "national" Ubuntu channels as well?
[11:19] <Seveas> Kuresu, open xmms, hit <ctrl> P to edit the preferences, go to plugins -> audio plugin
[11:19] <Seveas> set that to eSound
[11:19] <Hergiswi> I know, but I usually get my questions answered here
[11:20] <dabaR> CookedGryphon_: what is?
[11:20] <_lui_> Seveas, could be, but I want to do it with a complete directory where I can put anything just for me
[11:20] <Seveas> Hergiswi, cat /etc/issue
[11:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anybody point me toward a command list link that has all the commands and descriptioins of what they do? anyone?
[11:20] <Kuresu> programs can lock up in linux?
[11:20] <Seveas> what does that say?
[11:20] <disasm> njal: yeah
[11:20] <njal> right
[11:20] <Seveas> Kuresu, yes
[11:20] <peter1968> Hello all
[11:20] <CookedGryphon_> dabaR, i can't ping the other computer, and i don't see why
[11:20] <Seveas> Sonny_Wertzik, linuxcommand.org
[11:20] <dabaR> Sonny_Wertzik: just a general thing?
[11:20] <Seveas> !shell
[11:20] <njal> got my address then so what do i do with it now?
[11:20] <Hergiswi> dammit, it still says Warty Warthog
[11:20] <LoneNightCrawler> Hey, how do I access windows network shares?
[11:20] <ubotu> I guess shell is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[11:20] <f||bber> are there any good guides on partitioning ubuntu?
[11:20] <Hergiswi> So, I used apt-get upgrade for nothing?
[11:20] <CookedGryphon_> dabaR, and when i change settings and play with it it cuts out my internet
[11:20] <Kuresu> how do you close it then?
[11:20] <Seveas> LoneNightCrawler, places -> connect to server
[11:20] <disasm> njal: you can actually tie that in with your ppp script to auto bring it up when you connect
[11:20] <beekay> how can i play m4a files in xmms?
[11:21] <Stark> Does anyone know why Ubuntu wouldn't be loading?
[11:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> thanx Seveas
[11:21] <peter1968> I have a question regarding the lack of "view as image collection" that EOG used to allow us to enjoy in Nautilus.....
[11:21] <njal> and would the ip address not change every so often?
[11:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya general
[11:21] <Seveas> Hergiswi, paste your current sources.list on the pastebin
[11:21] <Hergiswi> uh..what?
[11:21] <dabaR> beekay: install the xmms package for mp4. aptitude search xmms
[11:21] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:21] <_lui_> Seveas, could be, but I want to do it with a complete directory where I can put anything just for me
[11:21] <LoneNightCrawler> right, thanks.. I found it when I was running the live CD, but I installed Ubuntu to my harddrive now, and I couldn't find it, lol
[11:21] <peter1968> Anyone know how to get this to work in Hoary??
[11:21] <Hergiswi> what's sources.list?
[11:21] <dabaR> CookedGryphon_: ya, strange.
[11:21] <Seveas> _lui_, you can create a cryptoloop filesystem
[11:21] <disasm> Hergiswi: if your switching from warty to hoary you need to apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:21] <Stark> Could anybody help me?
[11:21] <Seveas> Hergiswi, the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> knowing some commands would probably make thing easier heh....
[11:22] <CookedGryphon_> peter1968, are you thinking along the lines of Applications > images > gthumb image viewer
[11:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> instead of fumbling around all day
[11:22] <beekay> do i just do sudo apt-get install xmms-mp4?
[11:22] <_lui_> Seveas, where I can find info for doing that?
[11:22] <disasm> njal: if it's tied into the script then when the ip changes, it will rerun the script
[11:22] <Seveas> _lui_, there is some info on the wiki
[11:22] <zeus1_> wtf im getting an error
[11:22] <peter1968> Not sure what you mean Cookedgriffon
[11:22] <njal> reassigning the ip to me?
[11:22] <Stark> Could anyone help me?
[11:23] <njal> Or adjusting the script?
[11:23] <Ether7> I just installed hoary on a 'Medion' brand laptop with an NVIDIA GeForce4 64meg, everything is flawless except the video which is messed up (lines, garbled screen). Windoze is running it fine. Whats up guys? ty
[11:23] <Seveas> basically you need to fill a file with dd, turn it into a crypto-partition, mkfs and mount it
[11:23] <f||bber> What does "Bootable flag" mean when partitioning, and what partitions should be bootable? I intend on having 3: / , /home, swap ??
[11:23] <disasm> njal: so is the sharing working with the iptables command?
[11:23] <zeus1_> when i did a 'make install' command for glib i got error WTF
[11:23] <beekay> do i just do sudo apt-get install xmms-mp4? i did and it didnt let me play anything new
[11:23] <_lui_> Seveas, ok thanks
[11:23] <zeus1_> how do u not get erors when u make instal
[11:23] <disasm> zeus1_: why are you make installing glib?
[11:23] <Seveas> f||bber, only the first partition on your drive should be bootable
[11:23] <zeus1_> because the tutorial for installing GIMPshop said to
[11:23] <Seveas> zeus1_, DO NOT DO THAT
[11:23] <njal> i don't know yet i have this script and my ISP assigned ip address but what do i do with them?
[11:23] <Seveas> that can seriously fuck up your system
[11:23] <disasm> zeus1_: sudo apt-get install glib
[11:24] <zeus1_> um...well wtf someone gave me bad advice on the forums then
[11:24] <Seveas> ditch that tutorial, it is not meant for ubuntu systems
[11:24] <f||bber> Seveas, So would that be swap?
[11:24] <zeus1_> ya....after i already ran the 'make' command
[11:24] <Seveas> f||bber, probably /
[11:24] <zeus1_> now how do i delete it
[11:24] <zeus1_> is there a system restore
[11:24] <zeus1_> in ubuntu
[11:25] <f||bber> Seveas, As I said I plan having 3: / , /home, /swap - thats ok yeah? Bootable / then
[11:25] <Seveas> zeus1_, did you do make install?
[11:25] <zeus1_> ya but it gave errors
[11:25] <Seveas> f||bber, yeah
[11:25] <zeus1_> so it didnt suceed
[11:25] <Seveas> zeus1_, did you run it as root?
[11:25] <zeus1_> umm how do u do that
[11:25] <Seveas> zeus1_, it was just a question
[11:25] <disasm> zeus1_: this is untested by me, but i came across this: http://www.macewan.org/2005/04/03/gimpshop-on-ubuntu-from-deb-causing-problems/
[11:25] <Seveas> DO NOT DO IT
[11:25] <f||bber> Seveas, use as /swap is swap should I make / and /home ext3?
[11:26] <zeus1_> idk ... apparently im fine since im still typing here
[11:26] <Seveas> f||bber, yes
[11:26] <f||bber> Seveas, thank you for your help
[11:26] <Seveas> zeus1_, just ditch the directory containing glib stuff
[11:26] <Seveas> and all other things you were about to install from source
[11:26] <disasm> zeus1_: nothings broken if you didn't make install as root
[11:26] <njal> disasm how do i procede?
[11:27] <CookedGryphon_> does anyone have4 any idea how to set up a direct ethernet connection between two copmuters, for file and possibly internet sharing?
[11:27] <zeus1_> k i ditched that stupid SHIIIIAHT
[11:27] <disasm> njal: what have you done so far?
[11:27] <Seveas> zeus1_, wait for breezy
[11:27] <zeus1_> now how do i install gimpshop if i cant use that tut its trying to F up my system
[11:27] <njal> i have the firewall script and my ip address
[11:27] <zeus1_> wtf....
[11:27] <Seveas> then you can use the gimpshop .deb files
[11:27] <zeus1_> i have to wait for breezy to get my sound working...and for gimpshop wtfs the point of using it then
[11:27] <njal> thing is the IP address is relieved after a few days
[11:28] <disasm> njal: the firewall script i wrote?
[11:28] <f||bber> Seveas, Are Mount options mandatory?
[11:28] <Seveas> f||bber, bo
[11:28] <njal> If that's the link you gave me then yes
[11:28] <Seveas> no
[11:28] <Seveas> 'defaults' will do
[11:28] <tear> is there any good DC clients that would work on the 64 achitectiure? the ones I found in "synaptic" didn't please me
[11:29] <disasm> njal: change INET_IFACE to ppp0
[11:29] <f||bber> Seveas, Reserved Blocks?
[11:29] <njal> done
[11:29] <f||bber> Seveas, And Bootable flag for /
[11:30] <Kuresu> ok
[11:30] <disasm> njal: sudo ./proxy
[11:30] <Kuresu> got xmms working
[11:30] <disasm> njal: errr, sudo ./proxy start
[11:30] <zeus1_> is there a ,deb file to make sound work i can install or wat
[11:30] <njal> command not found
[11:30] <disasm> zeus1_: what chipset?
[11:30] <disasm> njal: what did you save the script as?
[11:30] <zeus1_> umm
[11:31] <sorush20> I'm trying to write to a dvd rw but I get the me
[11:31] <zeus1_> disasm....its a usb headset thats not working...the speakers work fine
[11:31] <njal> Ah you should have told me i was running the script, lemmie change permissions
[11:31] <beekay> how do you make the xmms mp4 plugin work? i download it but i cant open m4as or anything of that stuff
[11:31] <disasm> zeus1_: ah, i talked to you earlier, i dunno why it's not working right
[11:31] <papyrus2> Crimsun : Hi
[11:31] <njal> Right call it proxy right?
[11:32] <disasm> njal: thats what i call it
[11:32] <njal> k right
[11:32] <zeus1_> well idk...is there a way to go back to warty warthog so i can have working sound or something
[11:32] <Parisi> I might shop for a new pci wireless card today, what would you guys recommend?
[11:32] <njal> it's all execuatble and called proxy now
[11:32] <njal> network unreachable
[11:32] <ThePyromaniac> hey guys, you will hate me for asking as i bet you get about 100 a day, but... if i have a windows installtion disk sat in front of me, how would i go about installing that on the same disk as ubutnu, with free unpartitioned space?
[11:33] <ThePyromaniac> or even better, if you know how i can get WoW working on a AMD64 pc, that would be an even better solution ^^
[11:34] <beekay> how can i play m4a files in xmms
[11:34] <sorush20> I can't find dvdrecord on synaptic.. I have all the repositories..
[11:34] <Seveas> ThePyromaniac, simply install windows XP (it will ask which partition to use) and restore grub afterwards to boot into linux again
[11:34] <Seveas> !recoveringgrub
[11:34] <ubotu> hmm... recoveringgrub is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:34] <disasm> njal: ah, delete the ip route command at the bottom (thats for some vpn stuff i do)
[11:34] <zeus1_> wtf....................guess im waiting till october then
[11:35] <disasm> njal: it should be working though
[11:35] <ThePyromaniac> will this work? i tried before and it got arsey at me
[11:35] <disasm> please tell me these aren't spambots that just came in...
[11:35] <Seveas> disasm, they aren't :)
[11:35] <njal> would that be the set policies section?
[11:36] <disasm> line 56
[11:36] <disasm> right above ;;
[11:37] <njal> k the script ran or is running no errors
[11:37] <ThePyromaniac> this removing grub after installation is very complicated... what if i dont have live cd's and i dont understand alot of it...?
[11:37] <theeil> how do i minimize a full screen game?
[11:37] <Hergiswi> idn
[11:37] <disasm> njal: try pinging the internet gw from the mac
[11:38] <njal> again where do i find the gateway ifconfig again?
[11:38] <Hergiswi> I did apt-get update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade, but it didn't upgrade to Hoary, and now I have TWO ubuntus for some reason
[11:38] <disasm> njal: route
[11:38] <theeil> alt+tab works on windows, how can i do that on gnome?
[11:38] <Quinthius> theeil: press alt-tab
[11:38] <disasm> theeil: alt tab should work
[11:38] <Seveas> Hergiswi, did you put the sources.list file on a pastebin yet?
[11:39] <theeil> disasm, Quinthius: for a full screen game
[11:39] <Hergiswi> no, I don't know how, and I was trying dist-upgrade like disasm said
[11:39] <njal> no gateway's are listed they are all *'s or have letter's in them
[11:39] <sorush20> hi
[11:39] <Quinthius> theeil: not sure if that works, or if it does it might not very well
[11:39] <disasm> Hergiswi: did you change the sources.list to say hoary?
[11:39] <Seveas> Hergiswi, open that file in a text editor and copy the context on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:39] <sorush20> anyone here able to find dvdrecord on their repositories
[11:39] <disasm> Hergiswi: and two ubuntus is fine, that means you installed a new kernel
[11:39] <Hergiswi> how do I open it in an editor?
[11:40] <njal> the one with the letter's produced unknown host
[11:40] <Seveas> Hergiswi, applications -> accessories -> text editor
[11:40] <Seveas> hit the open button
[11:40] <Seveas> go to filesystem
[11:40] <Seveas> then the etc folder
[11:40] <NoUse> sorush20 dvd+rw-tools is what you want I think
[11:40] <Seveas> then the apt folder
[11:41] <disasm> Seveas: your answers probly better than mine, i would've said vi /etc/apt/sources.list ;-)
[11:41] <Seveas> and then the sources.list file
[11:41] <Seveas> disasm, :)
[11:41] <rob_p> njal:  what IP address does, "route | grep default" give you?
[11:41] <Hergiswi> ok, and now I post it on the pastebin and do what?
[11:42] <disasm> Hergiswi: then you tell us the link, and we look at it
[11:42] <Hergiswi> ok
[11:42] <njal> where do you want me to paste the output?
[11:42] <Seveas> njal, if it's large: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:42] <juanfe> hello
[11:42] <disasm> njal: if its more than one line, what he said
[11:42] <njal> it's not really
[11:42] <Gnonthgol> Hi, I have troubles with my hp network printer, I cant find the drivers in the database, It was there in warthy standard, but not in the server edition, and not in horry.
[11:42] <Hergiswi> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1973
[11:43] <njal> default         lo0.lns-26.fm4. 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ppp0
[11:43] <disasm> Hergiswi: change warty to hoary in that file and save
[11:43] <Seveas> Hergiswi, right, with that sources.list you can never get a hoary system :)
[11:43] <Seveas> Hergiswi, run these 2 commands:
[11:43] <icecrash> moin
[11:43] <Seveas> sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:44] <Seveas> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:44] <nalioth> Seveas: not curl?
[11:44] <Seveas> curl is not installed by default
[11:44] <nalioth> Seveas: and i don't know why not
[11:45] <Seveas> file a bug against ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-base with your wishes then :)
[11:45] <Gnonthgol> I have troubles with my hp network printer, I cant find the drivers in the database, It was there in warthy standard, but not in the server edition, and not in horry. Any help?
[11:46] <apollo2011> I am learning Spanish and I added the Spanish keyboard layout in the Keyboard Preferences, the only problem I am having now is understanding how I access the different characters assigned to the keys.  The layout map shows 4 keys to most of the alphabet keys, but I can only access lower case and upper case (what about the other 2 characters?).  The other thing is I can't find out how to do accented characters...can someone tell me how I do these thing
[11:46] <apollo2011> s?
[11:46] <disasm> njal: i've never liked routes output, ip route show should say default via some_ip we need some_ip
[11:46] <ReTyPe>  i cant install kubuntu, my install freezes @ 50% of configuring apt... Testing network repository, i can still access other shells with ctrl, alt F2
[11:46] <disasm> njal: to rephrase, type ip route show
[11:46] <NoUse> Gnonthgol there isn't a server vs normal edition of ubuntu
[11:47] <njal> default via 212.74.111.150 dev ppp0 that what your meaning
[11:47] <disasm> NoUse: yeah there is
[11:47] <disasm> ok, on the mac, ping 212.74.111.150
[11:47] <robzon> apollo2011: I've had the same problem... unfortunately, I still do :/
[11:47] <Kuresu> guys
[11:47] <Kuresu> how do i install a program that comes as a .deb
[11:47] <NoUse> disasm where?
[11:47] <apollo2011> robzon: hmm :-/
[11:47] <Gnonthgol> apollo2011: some keybord layouts neads editing of the keys, All keybords are not the same.
[11:48] <njal> ping = host is down
[11:48] <apollo2011> Gnonthgol: How do I edit it?
[11:48] <disasm> NoUse: the ubuntu install cd, type server
[11:48] <audell> Kuresu, type in terminal: "sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[11:48] <sorush20> k3b keeps telling me that the dvdrecord executable was not found can someone help please..
[11:48] <NoUse> disasm but thats all from the same repos, its just a differnt install set
[11:48] <disasm> njal: iptables -t nat -L
[11:48] <audell> you must be located in the same direcotory as the file
[11:48] <apollo2011> sorush20: that probably means u need to install it in Synaptic
[11:48] <Sela> hmm
[11:48] <Sela> newbie question
[11:48] <disasm> NoUse: yeah, just it doesn't come with everything like X and stuff
[11:49] <apollo2011> sorush20: go into Synaptic and search Name and Description for "dvdrecord"
[11:49] <Sela> installing on an existing secondary ntfs partition
[11:49] <Sela> wich option to choose :o
[11:49] <Sela> all faq's point to resizing
[11:49] <disasm> NoUse: nm, i scrolled up and saw the original question
[11:50] <njal> It's in the paste bin no
[11:50] <njal> now
[11:50] <ThePyromaniac> does anyone think installing GRUB to /boot is a better plan than removing grub? it seems easier http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[11:50] <audell> Is there anyway to use the browsing mode where new windows are opened all the time, but with the difference that new windows AREN'T opened all the time?
[11:51] <robzon> apollo2011: hmmm it seems that the problem got fixed by itself here... now the layout works fine.. :/
[11:51] <audell> Because the windows looks different depending on wich mode you ise
[11:51] <disasm> NoUse: ifconfig ppp0 gives you this, right?
[11:51] <disasm> to:88.109.25.249
[11:51] <disasm> err, njal
[11:51] <disasm> NoUse: ignore above hilight
[11:51] <Gnonthgol> apollo2011: you fin a knife, an old keybord and something to change the printing on the keys and start operating transfearing the keybord to a spanish keybord
[11:52] <njal> yes that's correct
[11:52] <Gnonthgol> apollo2011: or just by a keybord from spain
[11:52] <ThePyromaniac> can anyone help explain the proccess of installing grub to /boot? im really confused guys ^^
[11:52] <apollo2011> Gnonthgol: oh I don't really mind if the printing on the keys don't match, I just cant figure out certain functions of the layout
[11:53] <feugan3333> Hi all. How can I find out what version of the ntfs driver I have on my system?
[11:53] <disasm> ThePyromaniac: what have you done so far in installing grub?
[11:53] <fizzle> hey for some reason my computer freezes up when i run aptitude.. anyone
[11:53] <fizzle> it only happens once in a while
[11:53] <protok0l> hello all
[11:53] <protok0l> is there a working firefox available yet?
[11:53] <disasm> njal: 10.10.10.1 is the ubuntu's ip?
[11:53] <audell> protok0l, hmm yes
[11:53] <audell> protok0l, what do you mean?
[11:53] <apollo2011> robzon: what problem are u really referring to?
[11:54] <ThePyromaniac> disas: so far nothing, i tried installing windows before after knowing nothing about grub. fucks up, and i dont understand the RecovingUbutnuAfterWindows installation thing
[11:54] <dany2k> hey guys anybody has experience with ubuntu on dell servers?
[11:54] <disasm> ThePyromaniac: ah, are you in ubuntu currently?
[11:54] <ThePyromaniac> yes
[11:54] <disasm> ThePyromaniac: grub-install /dev/hda
[11:54] <njal> disasm should be... yen ubuntu's ip is 10.10.10,1
[11:54] <f||bber> should /swap be primary or logical?
[11:54] <disasm> njal: and whats the macs ip?
[11:54] <robzon> apollo2011: umm... that accents didn't work at all? I thought you've had the same problem :P
[11:55] <apollo2011> Gnonthgol: When I was using SUSE, before I tried Ubuntu, I had the Spanish keyboard layout set up and the left bracket key (I think) allowed you to add an accent
[11:55] <Quinthius> f||bber: i don't think it makes any difference
[11:55] <disasm> njal: and do you have 10.10.10.1 for the gw on the mac?
[11:55] <njal> disasm 10.10.10.2
[11:55] <f||bber> Quinthius, hhhmmm..which would you do?
[11:55] <f||bber> :-)
[11:55] <njal> disasm yes the router field is set to 10.10.10.1
[11:55] <apollo2011> robzon: yeah, I just wasn't sure if you meant the accents or accessing the different characters.  Now that u have it fixed, what do you have to do to get an accent on say an 'i'?
[11:55] <Quinthius> f||bber: i've always done primary but the ubuntu default is to stick it on logical
[11:56] <robzon> apollo2011: press ' then i
[11:56] <dany2k> has anybody experience with ubuntu on servers at all?
[11:56] <jorgp2> is there a torrent gui as good a ktorrent for gnome?
[11:56] <f||bber> Quinthius, Should it be beginning or end or does it matter?
[11:56] <Quinthius> f||bber: and i've read that modern drives have faster speeds on the outer tracks now, so ubuntu might put it at the end of disk and on logical partition for that reason
[11:56] <disasm> njal: and you can ping 10.10.10.1
[11:57] <f||bber> Quinthius, so end then
[11:57] <apollo2011> robzon: ok, now I know it definitely doesnt work :-) :-(
[11:57] <njal> disasm correct
[11:57] <njal> they can ping each other
[11:57] <Quinthius> f||bber: i always thought it should be near the beginning for faster access and less needle movement, but after reading that i dont know anymore :)
[11:57] <Quinthius> f||bber: so i just stuck it on a seperate disk entirely :)
[11:58] <protok0l> audell: the firefox i have is broken in many ways, extensions, themes, etc
[11:58] <feugan3333> Any body how ubuntu is able to mount ntfs partitions, there are not ntfs-like packages.
[11:58] <thechitowncubs> I just got a horendeous error when booting
[11:58] <robzon> apollo2011: hmmm which spanish layout did you choose? there are 2 i think "eliminate dead keys" and "sun dead keys"... I got the first one
[11:58] <disasm> njal: hmmm, you should be able to at least ping the gw from the mac with what you've showed me
[11:58] <apollo2011> robzon: yeah I have the eliminate dead keys one
[11:58] <disasm> njal: pastebin ip route show from ubuntu
[11:58] <cute_bettong> how do i make mplayer play stuff in full screen?
[11:58] <feugan3333> horendeous hory error :-)
[11:59] <audell> protok0l, Then the answer is: Yes, there is a working version, but you don't have it
[11:59] <Quinthius> f||bber: but really i don't think it makes much practical difference unless you are doing a lot of HEAVY memory usage stuff... most of the time i never see swap used at all
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> Buffer I/O Error on Device hda1, logical block 15449  (oh god what do i do?)
[11:59] <njal> disasm it's in the bin
[11:59] <protok0l> ahhh
[11:59] <cute_bettong> how do i play video in full screen in mplayer
[11:59] <protok0l> do i check backports?
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> it says to run fsck manually but I don't know what to do with it
[11:59] <test34> ubuntu uses grub ?
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> cute_bettong, hit f
[11:59] <cute_bettong> thanx