[09:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:30] <JaneW> morning all
[09:30] <magnon> morning Jane
[09:30] <jsgotangco> hello ms. JaneW 
[09:30] <magnon> Argh.
[09:31] <magnon> I think we're losing a client
[09:31] <magnon> but they're not answering the phone, so who knows :p
[09:31] <jsgotangco> i couldn't think of anything to post in planet
[09:32] <magnon> same school who hung up the ethernet cable under a 440V power line *sigh*
[09:32] <JaneW> hi Mr Gotangco
[09:32] <JaneW> magnon: maybe they got fried
[09:33] <magnon> dunno, but they blame us when their network is down :D
[09:33] <magnon> ah, they are more trouble than it's worth anyway
[09:33] <magnon> their loss
[09:33] <magnon> more enthusiastic people are interested
[09:33] <magnon> and I got us some consultancy work yesterday anyway
[09:33] <magnon> <3 people who are willing to pay shitloads for having me find a solution to whatever
[09:34] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:35] <magnon> "This Linux thing... is it good?"
[09:36] <magnon> my father works in a rather hardcore windows environment and sometimes direct some customers to me... usual question :)
[09:38] <jsgotangco> you can say that it's orgasmic
[09:38] <jsgotangco> ooopsss this is an edu chan
[09:38] <magnon> I usually just say a lot of technical blabber, then say that it is awesome, and they trust my knowledge and agree :P
[09:39] <magnon> JaneW: will there be anything edubuntu-specific at BelowZero?
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[09:47] <magnon> jbailey's email is jbailey@c.c as well?
[09:47] <JaneW> magnon: I think so, but it hasn;t been arranged yet - there will certainly be some bofs
[09:48] <JaneW> magnon: yes that should rach jef
[09:48] <JaneW> reach jeff
[09:49] <magnon> I might consider going to belowzero
[09:50] <magnon> I mean, I am considering, I might even go ;)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:51] <jsgotangco> JaneW, there should be an edubuntu track, the LTSP guys are there
[09:51] <jsgotangco> like what they did in sydney
[09:51] <magnon> anyone know how customs between Canada and US are now, btw?
[09:51] <magnon> in 2000 I could pass without a passport :P
[09:52] <JaneW> ogra: is there enough edubuntu specifics to justify and entire track - kubuntu doesn't get a track
[09:52] <jsgotangco> lucky for you anywhere i go, i usually need a visa
[09:52] <magnon> jsgotangco: where are you from?
[09:52] <jsgotangco> Manila
[09:53] <magnon> Phillipines?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> aye
[09:53] <magnon> Ah
[09:53] <magnon> well, we went to canada, they didnt bother
[09:53] <magnon> then we had to go back, I noticed I had forgotten my passport in NY
[09:53] <magnon> just said "New York City, sir" when the officer asked where I was from, and that worked nicely
[09:57] <JaneW> except UK and parts of SE Asia
[09:57] <magnon> :\
[09:58] <jsgotangco> SE Asia that's strange
[09:58] <jsgotangco> we usually don't require a visa for short trips
[10:02] <magnon> wow
[10:02] <magnon> the flight fares aren't that bad
[10:02] <magnon> 5.5k NOK
[10:02] <magnon> 700 eur
[10:03] <magnon> even cheaper to NY
[10:09] <jsgotangco> JaneW, who is our main contact in Montreal? jbailey?
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I guess, what for?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> just asking
[10:23] <jsgotangco> (its not like ubuntu has an office everywhere to hold conferences)
[10:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: it was so cool when we went to Malaysia and Thaialand and all the Brits and Americans had to que up for visa checks and for oce us South Africans could just walk through ;)
[10:23] <magnon> anyone who talks with jeff are free to poke him to send me the sla :P
[10:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: indeed - jbailey lives a few train stops away from the hotel and I think BradB is nearby too
[10:24] <jsgotangco> yes jeff told me its just a 20 minute walk
[10:25] <magnon> I guess you guys are all attending?
[10:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: do you know when they are making the sponsorship decisions
[10:27] <JaneW> ?
[10:27] <magnon> well, hope I'll see you there :)
[10:27] <jsgotangco> JaneW, no i only know sponsorship application closes this weekend
[10:30] <jsgotangco> JaneW, in case i get approved, i'll have to fix my papers early heh
[10:39] <JaneW> yes good idea
[10:40] <jsgotangco> aww
[10:40] <magnon> my mom has been frequently missing my birthdays all the time, has been no problem :P
[10:41] <JaneW> magnon: even at 4 years old?
[10:41] <magnon> nah
[10:41] <JaneW> magnon: I think I will have to bribe him with promises of gifts from far away lands...
[10:41] <jsgotangco> pre-schoolers are wonderful
[10:41] <magnon> but she's been alone from when I was 7, so she had to work a lot, thus being away
[10:42] <JaneW> and will have to do better than a hastily grabbed (and horibly over priced) trinket from the airport - as happened in Sydney
[10:42] <magnon> buy him a stuffed Breezy
[10:42] <JaneW> jsgotangco: when edubuntu launches I have 2 Pre K testers right here
[10:42] <JaneW> magnon: he;d love that actually
[10:43] <magnon> I believe he will :)
[10:43] <JaneW> magnon: in fact he got an HP linux penguin the other day
[10:43] <jsgotangco> i gotta go
[10:43] <JaneW> big and fluffy
[10:43] <magnon> arf, if I don't go to montreal, I might afford a Muse Receptor before Christmas :P
[10:43] <jsgotangco> mooncake festival is just a week from now i gotta buy my girl a dress
[10:43] <JaneW> I got the penguin shaped wine gums ;)
[10:43] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :) enjoy
[10:43] <JaneW> moon cake sounds nice
[10:44] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i was forced by my kid to create a penguin out of clay
[10:44] <magnon> kids! all you guys have kids. :)
[10:44] <magnon> that won't be in many many years
[10:44] <JaneW> just us oldies ;)
[10:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW, moon cake actually tastes good
[10:45] <JaneW> badgers badgers badgers badgers
[10:45] <jsgotangco> schnaakes
[10:45] <magnon> my father dated a girl with a six year old when they were both 20
[10:45] <magnon> scary.
[10:45] <JaneW> wow!
[10:45] <magnon> mushroom mushroom
[10:45] <jsgotangco> she got pregnant at 14?
[10:45] <JaneW> that's the one
[10:45] <magnon> apparently. :P
[10:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no she had the kid at 14
[10:46] <JaneW> was prolly pregnant at 13!!!
[10:46] <magnon> well
[10:46] <jsgotangco> what a waste of childhood innocence
[10:46] <magnon> it's possible to both get pregnant and have the kid at 14
[10:46] <JaneW> magnon: I know
[10:46] <magnon> and I think that was the case
[10:46] <JaneW> ok
[10:46] <JaneW> well then I exagerated
[10:46] <magnon> but it's still a waste
[10:46] <jsgotangco> 13 is too hardcore
[10:46] <JaneW> and illegal
[10:47] <JaneW> almost everywhere in the world
[10:47] <JaneW> was she cool?
[10:47] <magnon> it's not illegal unless one of the people involved are over 16
[10:47] <magnon> dunno, I never met her
[10:47] <magnon> I didn't know my father when he was 20
[10:47] <JaneW> magnon: oh right!
[10:48] <magnon> that's 25 years ago, and I'm not that old :P
[10:48] <JaneW> magnon: actually here I think it is illegal even if both are underage - the parents could sue each other (I'd have to confirm, but I *think*)
[10:49] <JaneW> magnon: speak for yourself :P
[10:49] <magnon> I'd guess south africa has more problems with that than we have
[10:50] <jsgotangco> tell that to the king of swaziland!
[10:50] <magnon> if a 16 year old and a 15 year old has sex, it'll be brought up and discussed, but not punished in any way
[10:50] <magnon> although the limit is 16
[10:50] <magnon> if both are below 16, you can't do anything as you can't convict anyone below 16 anyway
[10:52] <jsgotangco> ok im out
[10:52] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:52] <magnon> JaneW: anyway, your son won't remember his 4th birthday when he grows up :P
[10:53] <JaneW> magnon: I remeber mine
[10:53] <JaneW> magnon: but then I am a freak , I remeber stuff from when I was still 2...
[10:53] <JaneW> I must be an elephant
[10:53] <magnon> I just remember stuff from when I was in the kindergarden
[10:53] <magnon> and when mom and dad got separated
[10:54] <JaneW> :/
[10:54] <JaneW> ok these flights officially SUCK
[10:54] <JaneW> one leaves Montreal at 6pm on FRIDAY
[10:54] <JaneW> and gets me home at 12pm on SUNDAY
[10:54] <magnon> I was 5 or 6, so I didn't really understand more than that me and my mother suddenly moved and I met dad alone instead of with mom :P
[10:54] <magnon> ouch!
[10:54] <JaneW> (shame)
[10:55] <JaneW> must have been hard
[10:55] <magnon> would have been harder if they didn't separate
[10:55] <magnon> parents who argue all the time aren't really the best ones to have around
[10:55] <JaneW> and another Birthday
[10:55] <magnon> am I missing Halloween if I go to Montreal?
[10:55] <magnon> wee!
[10:56] <magnon> I hate halloween
[10:56] <JaneW> well with the kids at any rate
[10:56] <JaneW> it;s not big here
[10:56] <magnon> then again, I still don't have kids
[10:56] <JaneW> but we have started trick or treating with the kids
[10:56] <ogra> JaneW, a "trac" ? 
[10:56] <ogra> track even
[10:56] <ogra> morning
[10:56] <JaneW> manily for the fun of dressing up
[10:56] <JaneW> ogra: hi yes
[10:56] <magnon> morning Mr. Gra*
[10:57] <ogra> :)
[10:57] <ogra> JaneW, what do you mean by track ? 
[10:57] <magnon> I mean Grawert ;)
[11:00] <magnon> wee, my Edubuntu Test Lab is finished
[11:00] <ogra> yay
[11:00] <magnon> it sounds much cooler than it is
[11:00] <ogra> oh ?
[11:01] <JaneW> one is 41 hours!!!!
[11:01] <JaneW> with a 14 hour stop in Frankfurt
[11:01] <magnon> it just covers about 2 square meters of my floor
[11:02] <magnon> JaneW: what company?
[11:02] <JaneW> airline you mean?
[11:02] <magnon> yes
[11:03] <JaneW> Lufthansa
[11:03] <Burgundavia> JaneW, london or amsterdam is probably the fastest optoin
[11:03] <magnon> tried BA?
[11:03] <JaneW> There's 3 options
[11:03] <JaneW> BA - London
[11:03] <JaneW> KLM - Amsterdam
[11:03] <JaneW> Lufthansa - Frankfurt
[11:03] <Burgundavia> JaneW, Air Canada flies in London and then SAA to Sa
[11:04] <JaneW> hmm... SAA gives me air miles..
[11:04] <Burgundavia> JaneW, I have heard bad things about the length of the frankfurt flights
[11:04] <JaneW> better choice
[11:04] <Burgundavia> JaneW, it might also be cheaper for the london office to book the trip
[11:06] <ogra> JaneW, when is the LH flight ? 
[11:06] <magnon> hmm
[11:07] <magnon> I can scrap the launchpad part of the conference, cant I? :P
[11:07] <ogra> depends... if you are interested in launchpad, you shuldnt
[11:08] <magnon> I'm interested in Edubuntu ;)
[11:08] <Burgundavia> JaneW, the cheapest price I can find is 7,232.25 ZAR
[11:08] <magnon> well, I'm interested, but I don't have time to be involved in more stuff
[11:09] <ogra> magnon, if you want to come, make sure you stay the days where the LTSP guys are there too :)
[11:10] <magnon> yeah, I'm trying to find out when that is :)
[11:11] <magnon> if you know, do tell ;)
[11:15] <JaneW> magnon just a sec
[11:15] <magnon> I have all the time in the world
[11:15] <magnon> :P
[11:16] <JaneW> the 20 odd LTSp ppl arrive on Thurs 3 Nov
[11:16] <JaneW> and leave on Mon 7th
[11:16] <JaneW> does that help?
[11:17] <magnon> yes, thanks :)
[11:17] <magnon> I guess I'll stay from saturday to sunday
[11:17] <magnon> 8 days
[11:17] <magnon> then leave for NY on Sunday
[11:17] <ogra> JaneW, and the 20 even LTSp ppl ??
[11:17] <ogra> :)
[11:17] <magnon> ogra: ever met an LTSP guy who isn't odd?
[11:18] <JaneW> distro team works from Mon 31 Oct to Sat 5 Nov
[11:18] <ogra> .... hmm, nope
[11:18] <JaneW> lol
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:18] <magnon> im not interested in launchpad _development_ for the time being at least
[11:18] <magnon> and I dont think I have two weeks to spend
[11:22] <magnon> who decides the sponsorships btw?
[11:23] <magnon> (not that I'm applying ;)
[11:24] <ogra> i think in the end the guy who spends the money ;)
[11:24] <magnon> ah ;)
[11:25] <magnon> hope Trent gets it
[11:25] <magnon> need people around my age to come ;p
[11:25] <ogra> what is your age ?
[11:25] <magnon> 19
[11:25] <magnon> hahaha
[11:25] <ogra> hmm...
[11:26] <magnon> BA wants me to fly oslo-london-montreal-london-new york-london-oslo
[11:26] <ogra> we'll have some people around 20 there, i'm pretty sure :)
[11:27] <magnon> I think I could get a train from Montreal to NY instead
[11:27] <magnon> or local flight
[11:30] <JaneW> magnon: there'll be several ppl tat age
[11:31] <JaneW> don't worry
[11:31] <magnon> well, I know trent already, he's a cool chap, so I want him there anyway ;)
[11:31] <magnon> arf
[11:31] <ogra> arf ?
[11:32] <magnon> why is it not possible to say "I want to leave from Oslo to Montreal, then go back to Oslo, but I will make my own way to NY"
[11:35] <JaneW> Magnon you can
[11:35] <JaneW> Magnon we did that with Cape Town - Phuket
[11:36] <ogra> JaneW, you cant answer PM ?
[11:36] <magnon> JaneW: not on BA
[11:37] <magnon> maybe LH
[11:38] <JaneW> ogra: did you get my PMs now?
[11:38] <ogra> nope
[11:38] <JaneW> magnon: no seriously don;t tell them about your other flight
[11:39] <JaneW> we did a Phuket - Bangkok hop, and the big flight never knew about it...
[11:39] <magnon> if I don't tell them, they will give me a return ticket from Montreal
[11:40] <magnon> somewhat wrong if I'm in NY :P
[11:43] <JaneW> magnon: oic, I thought your return flight was montreal too... can;t you keep it that way, might be cheaper and easier
[11:43] <magnon> I'll have to be going to NY somewhere in between, but you're right
[11:44] <magnon> two way ticket Oslo->Montreal and then a two way montreal->NY is probably cheaper than anything else
[11:44] <magnon> even cheaper might be Oslo->NY and improvise to Montreal ;)
[11:44] <magnon> heh, two way NY is cheaper than one way
[11:47] <magnon> nice prices anyway :)
[11:54] <JaneW> welcome back
[11:54] <magnon> this is just getting better
[11:54] <magnon> same
[11:54] <JaneW> I was alone here!
[11:54] <magnon> I think it was you who left
[11:54] <magnon> ;)
[11:54] <magnon> this is great
[11:54] <magnon> 600 eur for the flight over
[11:54] <magnon> 350$ for NY-montreal
[11:55] <JaneW> magnon I beg to differ...
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[11:55] <JaneW> JaneW argh!
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[11:55] <magnon> :P
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[11:56] <magnon> mine says you left though.
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[11:56] <magnon> didnt know I had one
[11:56] <JaneW> :PP
[11:56] <JaneW> relativity...
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[11:56] <magnon> yup
[11:56] <ogra> relativity ;)
[11:56] <JaneW> sigh
[11:56] <magnon> hm
[11:57] <magnon> what is a "preferred rate"
[11:57] <magnon> I choose the price? :P
[11:57] <JaneW> lol
[11:57] <JaneW> means they prefer you
[11:57] <JaneW> (but they tell everyone that)
[11:57] <magnon> prefer me to pay as much as possible
[11:57] <JaneW> (sluts)
[11:58] <magnon> I should try to share rooms with someone
[11:58] <magnon> What the hell. No rooms!
[11:59] <ogra> JaneW, you fly on the 26th ? 
[11:59] <JaneW> magnon: we all share
[11:59] <JaneW> ogra: no I have to arrive on the 26th
[11:59] <magnon> JaneW: oh, so I don't have to worry about rooms if I sign up as an attendee?
[11:59] <ogra> yup... i mean from FRA ?
[11:59] <JaneW> so it looks like I leav eon 24th, but am looking for a flight on the 25th
[12:00] <magnon> I mean, Canonical gets me a bed and I pay less than usual
[12:00] <JaneW> magnon: dunno, msg cvd, she arranges all that
[12:00] <JaneW> magnon: dunnp, but possibly... msg cvd
[12:00] <magnon> done already
[12:00] <JaneW> ;)
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: I am tryingto avoid FRA
[12:01] <ogra> JaneW, ah...
[12:01] <JaneW> ogra: a 14h stop over and visa... silly
[12:01] <magnon> if you guys miss a public lynching event for people without Linux laptops, I'm here for ya
[12:01] <ogra> i'm flying 6 OCT - FRA - YUL - 1400 - 1605, thats why i asked
[12:01] <JaneW> s/6/26 ?
[12:02] <ogra> err, yes
[12:02] <ogra> copy n paste ...
[12:02] <JaneW> LH 9640 26OCT Frankfurt Montreal 1000 1205 OPERATED BY AIR CANADA <- one of my options
[12:02] <ogra> likely pitti will be with me...
[12:02] <JaneW> it's a 2 hour flight!?
[12:02] <ogra> 16 ;)
[12:02] <JaneW> (with the TZ difference)
[12:03] <ogra> err 14
[12:03] <JaneW> ogra: that could be fun... unless you are horrible when not smoking *duck*
[12:03] <ogra> heh, i can live with it ....
[12:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: was fun... (psychoboy) ;)
[12:04] <ogra> i cared or handicapped people at home in a former life... here i was locked into ppls flats and couldnt smoke for 10h ;)
[12:04] <ogra> highvoltage smokes ? 
[12:05] <magnon> Wow
[12:05] <magnon> this machine has Mandrake installed
[12:05] <magnon> kernel 2.4.4
[12:05] <magnon> ogra, support
[12:06] <magnon> :D
[12:06] <magnon> do I do a server install and install edubuntu stuff later or will the installer ask me?
[12:06] <magnon> (this is the edubuntu cd)
[12:06] <ogra> just run the CD ... for a ltsp install ... no options needed
[12:06] <magnon> mkay
[12:07] <magnon> no think client install yet?
[12:07] <magnon> thick
[12:07] <ogra> nope...
[12:07] <ogra> but a standalone workstation... you can make it a think client ;)
[12:07] <ogra> (if you use the "workstation" option at the Cd prompt)
[12:07] <ogra> not documented yet
[12:08] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[12:08] <ogra> for instructions ;)
[12:08] <JaneW> ogra: no he doesn;t smoke, he just doesn;t like being confined - but he handled it very well ;)
[12:08] <JaneW> ogra: LOCKED into ppls flats?!
[12:09] <ogra> yup
[12:09] <JaneW> hectic
[12:09] <JaneW> ogra: and I am impressed at your range of skill btw...
[12:09] <ogra> heh, thanks...
[12:10] <ogra> thats because i didnt learn a real job... i always had time to learn something else :)
[12:10] <ogra> and now i'm here as a IRC addicted....
[12:11] <JaneW> heh
[12:11] <ogra> hello, my name is Oliver Grawert and i'm avid ofr chatting
[12:11] <JaneW> have you all seen http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ ?
[12:11] <JaneW> hello Oliver!
[12:11] <ogra> yup :)
[12:11] <ogra> hehe
[12:12] <highvoltage> ogra: no, i haven't smoked since i left school
[12:12] <JaneW> hello highvoltage :)
[12:12] <magnon> installing edubuntu <3
[12:12] <ogra> highvoltage, i was just wondering :)
[12:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: good for you
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, yay
[12:13] <JaneW> highvoltage: you just smuggle cigarettes ;)
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, do you have more than one client around ? i had a report of someone wher the serer couldnt handle the amount of clients...
[12:13] <magnon> just one client and my laptop
[12:14] <ogra> magnon, would be cool to have someone who coul dreproduce or test that
[12:14] <magnon> but, I can get it tested on one of the schools
[12:14] <magnon> one of them has like 75 clients
[12:14] <ogra> that'd be great... even we dont go for more then 30 clients per server currently...
[12:15] <magnon> hm
[12:15] <magnon> why? :D
[12:15] <magnon> works fine on one server
[12:15] <magnon> most are classroom clients anyway so all wont be used at the same time
[12:15] <magnon> and the server is badass
[12:15] <ogra> depends on the size of the server
[12:16] <magnon> 2x2.something ghz intel xeons
[12:16] <magnon> 8GB ram
[12:16] <magnon> private school :p
[12:16] <ogra> magnon, ask highvoltage, i think in his tests with dual xeon 4Gig he ended at 30 clients...
[12:16] <magnon> highvoltage: asking!
[12:17] <magnon> oh and gb network of course.
[12:22] <JaneW> ** REMINDER** Edubuntu update meeting in +-100 minutes (12:00 UTC) in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:32] <magnon> I need someone to show me a good place to eat on saturday 29th after 4pm :p
[12:33] <ogra> magnon, ping jbailey, he knows the places ;)
[12:33] <magnon> jeff is a slacker ;)
[12:33] <ogra> heh
[12:34] <ogra> he wrote essential bits of the ltsp you just install ;)
[12:34] <JaneW> lol
[12:34] <magnon> maybe
[12:34] <magnon> but he has taken a month to email me an SLA now :P
[12:35] <ogra> he has to confirm and clerify it first i guess...
[12:35] <ogra> it goes through many hands....
[12:38] <magnon> well, since we'll be doing support business with you guys, I need a scapegoat anyway :)
[12:38] <ogra> heh
[12:38] <ogra> if you pay for it ;)
[12:38] <ogra> ... we'll be all your scapegoats :)
[12:41] <magnon> I don't have that kind of cash, although it is tempting
[12:41] <ogra> heh
[12:41] <ogra> i was joking....
[12:41] <ogra> indeed we are your scapegoats for free....
[12:41] <ogra> ;)
[12:43] <magnon> arf! corrupted files on the CD
[12:43] <ogra> seems that you burned to fast then....
[12:44] <magnon> install interrupted, added online repo instead
[12:44] <ogra> at which speed ? 
[12:44] <magnon> think I just burned on a cd that has been lying around without cover for too long
[12:44] <magnon> no idea
[12:44] <ogra> hmm...
[12:44] <magnon> powerbook, you know
[12:44] <magnon> they just do stuff
[12:44] <ogra> you shouldnt burn bootables faster than 8x
[12:44] <magnon> nvm, I have the web repo anyway now.
[12:44] <ogra> oki
[12:45] <ogra> but note that it wont work like the CD install
[12:45] <magnon> it'll work... somehow
[12:45] <magnon> :P
[12:45] <ogra> yup
[12:45] <magnon> ouch
[12:45] <magnon> the hotel was a bit expensive
[12:45] <magnon> even with canonical rates
[12:45] <ogra> but not as lined out on the instructions page
[12:46] <magnon> 150 cad/night
[12:46] <magnon> :\
[12:46] <magnon> I should find someone to share with
[12:51] <magnon> Claire already did
[12:51] <magnon> three cheers for claire!
[12:58] <JaneW> she's a legend
[12:59] <ogra> heh, yeah
[12:59] <JaneW> ** REMINDER** Edubuntu update meeting in +-60 minutes (12:00 UTC) in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:01] <JaneW> chmj: did Paulo finish his Bluetooth bounty in the end?
[01:02] <ogra> JaneW, ECHAN ?
[01:02] <JaneW> oops wrong #
[01:02] <ogra> heh
[01:21] <magnon> ooooh.
[01:21] <magnon> I didn't notice this before
[01:22] <magnon> but a trip to montreal can whitewash cash :P
[01:30] <jamey3> Is anyone here using the latest CD of Edubuntu? If so, could you tell me how well the install went.
[01:31] <magnon> I did, but I had corrupted files and had to fallback on netinstall
[01:31] <ogra> jamey3, it should work ok if you follow the instructions (and burn a god iso ;) )
[01:31] <jamey3> ok thanks ogra and magnon
[01:31] <magnon> oo
[01:31] <magnon> sexy bootsplash
[01:31] <jamey3> really?
[01:31] <magnon> feels like starting an 80s game
[01:31] <jamey3> lol
[01:31] <ogra> heh
[01:32] <magnon> and now it went away, proceeded to spew out all the old dirt ;)
[01:32] <ogra> i wonder if i can make it work for the thin clients too.... but thats low prio :)
[01:32] <jamey3> Once it's installed, what sort of configuring do you have to do? I mean, does the LTSP functionality work straight outta-the-box?
[01:32] <ogra> yup
[01:33] <jamey3> What sort of hardware will I need for a server?
[01:33] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting has the instructions for a sandalone LTSP server install
[01:33] <jamey3> I mean how many MHz (I know, crude) and MB of RAM for each client?
[01:33] <jamey3> ah, thanks
[01:33] <ogra> depends on the amount of clients
[01:34] <jamey3> well say I had five clients
[01:34] <ogra> highvoltage, runs a dual xeaon with 4 gig or ~20-30 clients
[01:34] <jamey3> woah
[01:34] <ogra> for even
[01:34] <jamey3> so that's about 100 MB of RAM each
[01:34] <ogra> i do my testing with a single client on a pIII 900 with 256 MB ... runs very smooth, i gues it could bear 3 clients
[01:35] <jamey3> cool
[01:35] <jamey3> does Edubuntu take full advantage of dual processor systems?
[01:35] <magnon> 100MB ram per client is a good budget
[01:35] <magnon> jamey3: just as much as Linux kernel does...
[01:35] <jamey3> lol fill me in, that's good then, right? ;-)
[01:35] <ogra> jamey3, you need to install a smp kernel on the server for it ... but yes, it does
[01:35] <jamey3> brill
[01:35] <ogra> (we only ship one kernel on the CD due to space issues)
[01:35] <jamey3> can I do that easily with apt after install?
[01:36] <ogra> yup
[01:36] <jamey3> wow, i'm already loving it
[01:36] <ogra> :)
[01:36] <jsgotangco> hey
[01:36] <jamey3> do you have experience setting up edubuntu in schools?
[01:36] <ogra> not yet, its the first release :)
[01:37] <jamey3> ah of course :)
[01:37] <jsgotangco> there is no edubuntu yet
[01:37] <ogra> we are eagerly searching for more testers :)
[01:37] <jamey3> it's just ubuntu with additions?
[01:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, what ? 
[01:37] <jamey3> yeah that's what I thought ...
[01:37] <jamey3> there's no official release, but there is a beta version
[01:37] <jsgotangco> ogra, i meant its not yet released
[01:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, tomorrow is preview release... indeed there is a edubuntu
[01:37] <magnon> jamey3: I've been doing ubuntu deployments in schools though, edubuntu is a cute addon for an already good thing ;)
[01:38] <jamey3> magnon, oh right! So you install ubuntu, then LTSP and set it all up? Or are you talking workstation deployment?
[01:38] <magnon> jamey3: that is what I have done so far, yeah
[01:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, see the install instructions... only two manual steps needed... these two will go today or tomorrow
[01:38] <magnon> mostly LTSP
[01:38] <jsgotangco> ogra, oh my and i am just burning the cd now :(
[01:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, todays ? 
[01:39] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:39] <ogra> great :)
[01:39] <jsgotangco> 14851 i guess
[01:39] <jamey3> cool, so you could also use Edubuntu well in a net cafe sort of environment?
[01:40] <ogra> jamey3, sure
[01:40] <jamey3> how stable is it?
[01:40] <jamey3> sorry for all the questions, btw
[01:41] <ogra> jamey3, thats what we are here for ;)
[01:41] <jamey3> :)
[01:41] <magnon> ogra: arf, what do you recon I should install now, after the net install?
[01:41] <ogra> its stable except of one bug noted in the install instructions
[01:41] <jamey3> yeah I was just gonna ask... when will that be fixed? (not that it's that bad really)
[01:41] <ogra> magnon, make sure edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop are installed
[01:42] <jsgotangco> ogra, are you familiar with scrollkeeper?
[01:42] <magnon> they arent ^^
[01:42] <ogra> magnon, and since you got no working CD you have to run ltsp-build-client without any options (that will build the client environment from the net)
[01:42] <jamey3> is there any easy way to generate about 800 user accounts and their relevant home directories et al using edubuntu?
[01:43] <ogra> jamey3, not yet... something like that is planned for the next release...
[01:43] <magnon> jamey3: do you have a user list?
[01:43] <magnon> we just made a list of users in plaintext, Firstname Lastname
[01:43] <ogra> currently you'll need a script or something
[01:43] <jamey3> we can get an SQL table of existing users on the Windows domain
[01:44] <magnon> then made a script which made usernames and generated a password
[01:44] <jamey3> is it any more involving than use 'adduser'?
[01:44] <magnon> and put everything in a file
[01:44] <magnon> hmm, you could be bad and use the windows domain for logins? :P
[01:44] <jamey3> lol :P
[01:45] <jamey3> I've no experience with it, that's someone else's sector
[01:45] <magnon> it works, so why not
[01:45] <magnon> much less hassle
[01:45] <magnon> I think, never tried it ;D
[01:45] <jamey3> lol
[01:45] <jamey3> I have no idea how we'd "interface" the two
[01:45] <magnon> shouldn't be too hard
[01:45] <jamey3> I mean I know it's used for authentication and user home dirs but how do you actually get it working...
[01:45] <magnon> wouldn't that be easier, so that people can use their existing password?
[01:46] <magnon> hehe
[01:46] <jamey3> lol don't try convincing me anymore
[01:46] <jamey3> anyway, this is theoretical talk
[01:46] <jamey3> we're just testing a small network of maybe 5 computers with an edubuntu server
[01:46] <jamey3> using old P75 machines
[01:46] <jamey3> I think if we wanted to do it "properly" we'd migrate completely to FLOSS
[01:47] <magnon> oh ok
[01:47] <magnon> school?
[01:47] <magnon> what kind of school?
[01:47] <jamey3> secondary grammar
[01:47] <jamey3> ~750 pupils
[01:47] <magnon> what does that mean? :)
[01:47] <jamey3> 11-18yos
[01:47] <magnon> age :P
[01:47] <magnon> aha
[01:47] <jamey3> lol :P
[01:47] <ogra> jamey3, wait for our next release then, it will have much more integration love to run a whole school
[01:47] <jamey3> user passwords were wiped when we transitioned from NT4 to XP for some reason
[01:48] <jamey3> yeah, I was hoping you'd say something like that :-)
[01:48] <jamey3> is the release that one in October?
[01:48] <ogra> you cant "transition" with windows.... you reinstall ;)
[01:48] <magnon> specific requirements, do they have any subjects or whatever requiring specific windows software?
[01:48] <jamey3> yup, precisely
[01:48] <ogra> yup
[01:48] <jsgotangco> gahhh i hate being bleeding edge :P
[01:48] <jamey3> yeah, i've evaluated most of it
[01:48] <magnon> (people doing those kinds of things should run thick clients anyway)
[01:48] <magnon> (with a shared login)
[01:49] <magnon> (I'd suggest an LDAP server... which ogra will say is scheduled for the next release :D )
[01:49] <ogra> yup :)
[01:49] <magnon> or am I wrong?
[01:49] <ogra> nope
[01:49] <magnon> yay
[01:49] <jamey3> we've decided if we migrate within the next year that we'd still have a small windows network for those who are either resistant or can't find equivalents for gnu/linux
[01:49] <magnon> jamey3: what kind of programs might be the problem?
[01:49] <jamey3> but just about every application has an equivalent that's as good, if not better
[01:49] <JaneW> ogra: please review this for accuracy... Basically Edubuntu is built on top of Ubuntu but incorporates the K12 LTSP  thin client architecture, as well as Educational specific applications, aimed at the 6-18 age group.
[01:49] <jsgotangco> ogra, do i install this or do you recommend waiting for a few hours for preview?
[01:49] <ogra> jamey3, just be carefull with the licensing stuff...
[01:49] <magnon> you can do .NET stuff on Mono at least
[01:50] <magnon> openoffice does a lot
[01:50] <ogra> JaneW, looks good
[01:50] <jamey3> windows-only science-type software that the teachers have adorned to
[01:50] <magnon> jamey3: WINE might do the job
[01:50] <jamey3> yeah, the school has an MS contract
[01:50] <jamey3> yeah was thinking along those lines
[01:50] <ogra> jsgotangco, since mdz didnt uplad my patches yet, i doubt it will change much before preview....
[01:50] <jsgotangco> this xorg update pains me
[01:50] <jamey3> anyway, I'm just a friend of the head of ICT, we're working together to present a proposal atm
[01:51] <magnon> ah, OK
[01:51] <magnon> if you have any specific questions my colleague has worked in a school with kids 6-16 for many years :)
[01:51] <ogra> we didnt include wine, because you could use your win apps over the network in a ltsp environment then, no windows standard license allows this...
[01:51] <jamey3> brill thanks :)
[01:51] <magnon> I'm here most of the time so don't hesitate to ask
[01:51] <jamey3> the EULA is bad
[01:51] <ogra> so be careful with wine on ltsp ;)
[01:52] <jamey3> will take that into consideration thanks
[01:52] <magnon> jamey3: unless you're a business, I'll charge 750nok/hour ;D
[01:52] <jamey3> lol!
[01:52] <magnon> someone needs to pay for the time when I'm doing edu work for free :)
[01:52] <jamey3> :P
[01:53] <jamey3> is there any chance of a live edubuntu CD? because that would be impressive...
[01:53] <magnon> jamey3: what country is it you're in?
[01:54] <jamey3> UK
[01:54] <magnon> ah, ok
[01:54] <jamey3> you?
[01:54] <magnon> of course, you said "grammar school" :D
[01:54] <magnon> Norway
[01:54] <jamey3> :D
[01:54] <ogra> jamey3, probably a customized ubuntu live as a pet project, but nothing official...
[01:54] <jamey3> ah, nice
[01:54] <magnon> just thought if you were eastern US or Canada, you could drop by in Montreal
[01:54] <ogra> i was planning it from the beginning, but the install CD ate all my time
[01:54] <jamey3> ogra, ah ok it would just be fun to collect some machines and a client, then have it running in just a few minutes
[01:54] <jamey3> ogra, so are you one of the main devs?
[01:55] <ogra> jamey3, it wouldnt work well...
[01:55] <jamey3> magnon, I sincerely wish i could :D
[01:55] <magnon> jamey3: doesn't take long to install the server
[01:55] <jamey3> cool, I'll be testing soon
[01:55] <ogra> jamey3, i am the edubuntu dev team... there are not many others...
[01:55] <jamey3> seriously? :O
[01:55] <magnon> after release I recon you should be able to have a test case up in about 45 minutes
[01:55] <ogra> jamey3, as jsgotangco is the edubuntu doc team :)
[01:55] <jamey3> blimey!
[01:55] <jamey3> how many of the original ubuntu devs work on edubuntu?
[01:55] <magnon> JaneW is what... the advocacy team? :)
[01:56] <magnon> or general director
[01:56] <jamey3> lol
[01:56] <ogra> the latter
[01:56] <ogra> :)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> no she's the whip mistress
[01:56] <jamey3> :D
[01:56] <magnon> jamey3: bear in mind that all Ubuntu work goes into Edubuntu as well
[01:56] <magnon> and all LTSP work, same
[01:56] <jamey3> ah yeah
[01:56] <jamey3> but they are separate releases though?
[01:56] <jamey3> I mean, ShipIt will have different discs for each?
[01:56] <ogra> oh, and not to forget, highvoltage is our tuxlab consultant
[01:56] <magnon> I doubt Shipit will have Edubuntu
[01:57] <jsgotangco> jamey3, shipit won't have edubuntu
[01:57] <magnon> ogra: what am I? :P
[01:57] <jamey3> why's that?
[01:57] <ogra> jamey3, we wont have a shipit release.... only isos for now... canonical wants to see how much community involvement starts
[01:57] <jamey3> oh i see
[01:57] <magnon> jamey3: too expensive to run two sets for now I guess - and you can install breezy and download an extra package set for edubuntu
[01:57] <jamey3> so how intertwined are you guys with canonical?
[01:57] <ogra> it consts a hell lot of money to ship them... our marketing wanrs a proof first :)
[01:58] <jamey3> magnon, I thought that's how it'd be
[01:58] <magnon> breezy server install + apt-get install edubuntu-server edubuntu-desktop might do it, I dunno
[01:58] <jsgotangco> i have no professional relationship with canonical
[01:58] <ogra> magnon, yup
[01:58] <jamey3> does anybody?
[01:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW, 
[01:58] <magnon> I have no professional relationship with canonical either... unless an escalation support agreement counts :)
[01:58] <jamey3> lol
[01:58] <ogra> magnon, but that wont install the ltsp client environment automatically...
[01:58] <jamey3> I mean it all seems a bit disjointed in that respect, not that's wholy bad
[01:58] <magnon> ogra and janew are canonites I guess
[01:58] <ogra> i work for canonical...
[01:59] <jamey3> that's what I meant
[01:59] <magnon> I guess some of you guys do random work on Edubuntu too, right?
[01:59] <jamey3> so do you think Edubuntu is going to be the best solution available for schools when it's finished?
[01:59] <magnon> jamey3: of course!
[01:59] <jamey3> :)
[01:59] <jsgotangco> well not on the first release..we do it one step at a time
[02:00] <ogra> jamey3, i think edubuntu is the best solution for standalone ltsp installs... 
[02:00] <jamey3> the release in October will be quite usable though?
[02:00] <jsgotangco> we can't promise the community everything
[02:00] <jamey3> true
[02:00] <jamey3> ogra, brilliant. well i've got a bit of convincing to do but i'm sure many more schools in the UK will start migrating (eventually)
[02:00] <ogra> that was our target for this release...
[02:00] <ogra> yeah
[02:00] <jsgotangco> if i get it right, ogra did a meta package for edubuntu that will make your ubuntu be an edubuntu but i maybe wrong
[02:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, not completely...
[02:01] <JaneW> meeting!
[02:01] <jsgotangco> meeting?
[02:01] <jsgotangco> noooo
[02:01] <ogra> yup
[02:01] <JaneW> ** REMINDER** Edubuntu update meeting NOW in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:01] <jamey3> in #edubuntu-meeting?
[02:01] <ogra> NOW !!
[02:01] <jamey3> oh lol
[02:01] <jsgotangco> i have xorg issues
[02:01] <jamey3> what like?
[02:01] <jsgotangco> i can barely use my touchpad
[02:01] <jamey3> synaptics?
[02:01] <jsgotangco> no that was fixed
[02:01] <jsgotangco> daniels reverted
[02:01] <magnon> NOW!
[02:01] <jamey3> lol
[02:02] <jamey3> so is there any way I can help with Edubuntu?
[02:02] <magnon> probably
[02:02] <magnon> :)
[02:03] <magnon> always
[02:03] <jamey3> :)
[02:03] <jsgotangco> of course
[02:03] <magnon> you could test
[02:03] <jamey3> right, that's definitely going to happen
[02:03] <jamey3> but what else could I do?
[02:03] <jsgotangco> artwork
[02:03] <jsgotangco> documentation
[02:03] <magnon> translations
[02:04] <magnon> color -> colour etc. :P
[02:04] <jamey3> :D
[02:04] <jamey3> where can I find what "needs doing"?
[02:04] <magnon> hm
[02:05] <magnon> here and there on edubuntu.org
[02:05] <magnon> I guess ogra/jane could help a bit after the meeting :)
[02:08] <magnon> oh, jolly
[02:08] <magnon> "need to get 400-ish MB of packages"
[02:08] <jamey3> lmao
[02:08] <jamey3> so for artwork have we just got the logo?
[02:09] <highvoltage> ogra: soeey, was away.
[02:10] <highvoltage> sorry even. did you ask me about the ram, or give advice to someone?
[02:10] <magnon> highvoltage: I did
[02:10] <magnon> just asked what your testing resulted in
[02:14] <highvoltage> magnon: i haven't been to many schools recently, so haven't tested on anything else than my home system.
[02:14] <magnon> ok
[02:14] <highvoltage> i'm interested to see how much RAM it will use, compared to other systems.
[02:15] <magnon> so far my experience is that CPU power is not very important, especially after 2.6
[02:15] <magnon> about 100mb per client of RAM is good
[02:15] <highvoltage> i'd say it's the absolute minimum.
[02:15] <magnon> I don't expect every client to be online at all times
[02:16] <magnon> and lots of things get shared
[02:16] <highvoltage> and i don't think there's much you can do to get away with it, unless you use xfce instead of gnome, abiword instead of OOo, and even then, i would say at least 60-80 mb.
[02:17] <highvoltage> if they're not all on-line, it is different. we've seen performance drop drastically, by just growing a lab from 20 workstations to 24 with a server with 2GB ram.
[02:17] <magnon> so, 100 per ;)
[02:18] <magnon> oh well, since I do this commercially I expect there to be a certain investment, especially in the server
[02:19] <magnon> if I was working voluntary for a school I'd just tell them to live with it if they couldnt do the investment :)
[02:19] <magnon> but it should be possible to set off 150mb per client
[02:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[03:11] <magnon> all got things to do like making dinner 
[03:11] <magnon> :)
[03:18] <magnon> yarf. since when was onions supposed to make you sneeze?
[03:26] <magnon> Haha.
[03:26] <magnon> my colleague just got off the phone with a school
[03:27] <magnon> talked to them about canonical escalated support after explaining them that we cant go out there to fix every single time there's a borked up printer queue
[03:27] <magnon> and they sounded like they expected canonical to go out there instead of us
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <magnon> Just got a messy picture in my head of jdub going down there
[03:28] <magnon> "Hi, I'm Jeff Waugh, I'm here to fix your printer queue"
[03:28] <magnon> "Need any pants?"
[03:28] <magnon> etc.
[03:28] <ogra> heh, jdub would be perfect... he has the longest travle diatance :)
[03:28] <ogra> distance
[03:29] <ogra> "yes, we charge only $50 per issue, but you need to pay the travelling costs from sydney for our technician" 
[03:29] <ogra> *g*
[03:30] <magnon> no you don't
[03:30] <magnon> incident fixes are free with the escalation support
[03:30] <magnon> ;)
[03:30] <magnon> so just the travel
[03:30] <ogra> heh
[03:30] <magnon> anyhow the support only covers bugfixes anyway :P
[03:31] <ogra> which probably covers the costs of a new printer :)
[03:31] <ogra> (the travel)
[03:31] <magnon> the printer is excellent, we're talking printer queues ;)
[03:32] <magnon> anyone who worked more than ten minutes in a school know that printer queues are priceless
[03:32] <ogra> yip, thats the same in offices
[03:32] <magnon> "WHAT? You DELETED <insert important document here> from the email after printing it?"
[03:33] <ogra> :)
[03:55] <magnon> wow
[03:55] <magnon> setup is still working
[03:55] <magnon> granted, it is not the best server
[03:57] <ogra> the net variant of ltsp-build-client is darn slow, thats why i move it to a Cd install
[03:57] <magnon> im not even there yet
[04:09] <magnon> finally!
[04:13] <magnon> rah
[04:13] <magnon> the dhcp config doesnt seem to work
[04:14] <ogra> if ltsp-server is installed it should work by default
[04:14] <magnon> doesnt
[04:14] <magnon> wont start
[04:14] <magnon> says I have no subnets properly configured and almost the whole config file is commented out
[04:14] <ogra> you took the offered IP from the installer ?
[04:15] <magnon> it asked me for one
[04:15] <magnon> I gave it one. :P
[04:15] <ogra> the dhcp config isnt used, it uses the one from /etc/ltsp
[04:15] <ogra> todays CD should provide a default one
[04:15] <magnon> I have yesterdays
[04:15] <magnon> :p
[04:15] <ogra> ah...
[04:16] <ogra> make the ip 192.168.0.1 
[04:16] <ogra> then try again
[04:16] <magnon> then it wont go online though
[04:17] <ogra> you have only one device ?
[04:17] <magnon> on this box
[04:17] <ogra> then create an alias device
[04:17] <ogra> sudo ifconfig eth0:0 <yourip>
[04:18] <magnon> are there many configurations using the .0 subnet?
[04:18] <ogra> and: sudo route add default gw <yourgwinthennet>
[04:18] <ogra> the default one does
[04:20] <magnon> yay
[08:54] <Petaris> highvoltage: Did you write that script to push icons?
[08:55] <highvoltage>  Petaris: no, it came from K12-LTSP.
[08:56] <Petaris> ahh
[08:56] <Petaris> ok
[08:56] <highvoltage> I think it differs only slightly from the original script.
[08:56] <Petaris> I need to modify it but I'm not quite sure how to do it
[08:56] <highvoltage> how does it need to be modified?
[08:57] <Petaris> I want to modify it to copy everything under /home/hitomi (my template user) to all user directories, and overwrite anything already there
[08:58] <Petaris> er, to all home directories starting with elem_
[08:58] <highvoltage> ok. the script copies whatever file it finds as an arguement to the /home/user/Desktop directories.
[08:58] <Petaris> and then change the permissions
[08:58] <Petaris> yep
[08:59] <Petaris> I thought it would be a good starting point for the script I need
[08:59] <highvoltage> i suggest you look at that script, and take away the Desktop part, and pass the directory contents as the arguement.
[08:59] <Petaris> how can I make cp copy files and directories with a . in front of them?
[09:00] <Petaris> do I just do a cp -a?
[09:00] <highvoltage> i think that works.
[09:00] <Petaris> ok
[09:00] <highvoltage> what i do is use cp .* /whereever
[09:01] <Petaris> yeah, but then you only get the hidden files
[09:01] <Petaris> I just want everything
[09:04] <highvoltage> -R
[09:04] <highvoltage> recursive
[09:04] <Petaris> ok, I'll give that a try
[09:05] <highvoltage> Petaris: goodnight
[09:05] <Petaris> highvoltage: night, and thanks