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| jalrnc | question: will the quicktour have a .po file for translation? I couldn't find it in the svn repo | 12:48 |
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| Madpilot | jalrnc: eventually I guess it will, not sure if that'll make Breezy or not though | 01:03 |
| jalrnc | so it may not be possible to include any translations at all with breezy? | 01:06 |
| Madpilot | I really don't know | 01:09 |
| Madpilot | I"m slightly involved in the Quick Guide - I did a lot of the current XHTML/CSS layout - but I don't know how the translation process works | 01:10 |
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| jalrnc | Madpilot: thanks | 02:40 |
| Madpilot | no problem. if you are able to help with translation, i'm sure the doc-team will be glad to hear from you! | 02:41 |
| mpt | "Of course, besides the network option, [Mozilla] can also be used as a standalone HTML viewer." | 02:45 |
| mpt | Who *writes* this stuff | 02:45 |
| Madpilot | what's that from? | 02:45 |
| mpt | The description of Mozilla in gnome-app-install | 02:46 |
| jalrnc | Madpilot: I'm the PT LoCoTeam leader, we've been involved in the translations and would love to help further :) I'll send an email to the doc list asking about the quicktour doc | 02:47 |
| Madpilot | mpt: is it too late to just get rid of that entire line? | 02:47 |
| Madpilot | jalrnc: PT = Portugal, right? | 02:47 |
| mpt | Madpilot: Oh, probably | 02:48 |
| Madpilot | mpt: too bad. I don't think it would be missed... bugreport it for breezy+1? | 02:48 |
| mpt | Madpilot: Yeah, I guess ... But it's nothing special | 02:49 |
| mpt | There's text all over the place like that | 02:49 |
| Madpilot | the joys of Linux documentation... ;) | 02:49 |
| mpt | yeah, but not just the documentation | 02:50 |
| mpt | e.g. the main window of g-a-i itself: "This program allows you to add or remove programs with a click of a button." <-- that's not telling me anything, amigo | 02:50 |
| Madpilot | my favourite is gFTP, which appears to be *entirely* undocumented beyond a fairly short man page, even on the gFTP website... | 02:50 |
| mpt | Another example: the Boot Manager Settings window has a spinbox: "Seconds to wait before loading default kernel or OS". It doesn't mention what is the point of waiting at all. | 02:52 |
| jalrnc | Madpilot: yep | 02:52 |
| mpt | ooh, ooh, here's a good one: "You seem to be running gnome-pilot for the first time." | 02:54 |
| === mpt hasn't had enough sleep in the past couple of days | ||
| === Madpilot has an MS Clippie flashback on seeing the words "You seem to be...".... ahhh! | ||
| mpt | There needs to be ... I dunno, some sort of culture of brevity established | 02:56 |
| Madpilot | .whois mpt | 02:57 |
| mpt | Does this sentence help Aunt Tillie? Does it help cousin Arlo? If not, cut it out. | 02:57 |
| Madpilot | ... sorry... | 02:57 |
| Madpilot | "culture of brevity" - I like that phrase | 02:57 |
| mpt | Same for words, and for syllables. | 02:57 |
| Madpilot | but... but extraneous polysyllables are *cool*! :) | 02:58 |
| Madpilot | extraneous polysyllabilac verbiage - even cooler | 02:59 |
| mpt | yeah | 03:01 |
| Madpilot | ... except that I can't spell today... | 03:01 |
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| mpt | Symptoms of extraneous polysyllabic verbiage: "enable", "allow", "In this window you can", "the user" | 03:02 |
| Madpilot | yup | 03:03 |
| mpt | jdub: awake? | 03:03 |
| jdub | yo | 03:04 |
| jdub | can't stay long | 03:04 |
| mpt | jdub: Ok, well, in three sentences or fewer: how did gnome start caring about usability? | 03:04 |
| mpt | What happened? | 03:04 |
| jdub | holy crap dude | 03:04 |
| mpt | I remember there was a lot of use of the word "crack" | 03:05 |
| mpt | which seemed to be a kind of bludgeon | 03:05 |
| mpt | but there must have been more to it than that | 03:05 |
| jdub | a lot of deep introspective thought, a lot of agitating on behalf of particular people, a lot of consideration of our target market, a lot of consideration about the receipe we needed for success, etc. | 03:05 |
| jdub | understanding that freedom is not just for geeks | 03:06 |
| mpt | lots of hard work, then | 03:06 |
| jdub | yes, once the ideas were there, a fuckload of hard work to prove it | 03:06 |
| jdub | anyway, have to run | 03:07 |
| mpt | ok, thanks | 03:07 |
| jdub | i'm sure there's a longer discussion in this :) | 03:07 |
| mpt | yeah | 03:08 |
| mpt | about going to the next level | 03:08 |
| mpt | (at the risk of clicheing myself) | 03:08 |
| jdub | did you watch my guadec talk video? | 03:09 |
| mpt | no, I've been meaning to watch the guadec videos for ... some time now | 03:09 |
| mpt | I only got halfway through the selinux one | 03:10 |
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| mpt | oh, these are files I can't watch on my Mac | 03:11 |
| mpt | because Ogg for Mac has been broken for the past ~6 months | 03:11 |
| jdub | bonus | 03:11 |
| jdub | mine has some of this stuff in it | 03:12 |
| mpt | Apple makes QuickTime for Windows, because it's in their interests to make sure people can watch QuickTime formats | 03:14 |
| mpt | Microsoft makes Windows Media Player for Mac OS, because it's in their interests to make sure people can watch Windows Media formats | 03:14 |
| mpt | Linux distributors should club together to hire someone to maintain Ogg plugins for Windows and OS X, for the same reason | 03:15 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 03:26 |
| Madpilot | hi | 03:28 |
| mpt | hi jsgotangco | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 03:34 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, ping? | 04:23 |
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| jsgotangco | hey jeffsch | 05:04 |
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| jeffsch | jsgotangco: hey | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, i was studying our svn folder structre last night, its so unfriendly for packaging | 05:07 |
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| jeffsch | well, then, i guess i'm glad i don't know how to do packaging :) | 05:09 |
| jeffsch | we got lots of work to do after breezy | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | what the package did back then was re-edit the doc just to fit in | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | and copy a lot of the common/libs stuff for every doc | 05:09 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... i didn't know that | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | if you look at /usr/share/gnome/help/ you'll see every ubuntu doc has its own copy of common and libs | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | so from our working copy we refer to ./../../foo | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | but in the package it is changed to just ./ | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | it took me an hour to figure out what was the problem till i took a peek into the old docs that were installed | 05:12 |
| jeffsch | i think part of the problem back then was that the xslt was not dealing with the paths properly | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | ideally, the working copy should mimic the packaging | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | but that means every entry has its own common and libs which isnt really a good idea | 05:12 |
| jeffsch | the "strip path" template in the nwalsh xslt is broken in version 1.66 | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | for someone who is good at packaging it might be trivial, but it took me a while to figure it out | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | (the scrollkeeper part was easy btw) | 05:14 |
| jeffsch | will you have to do the same thing again, that is, give each doc its own common and libs? | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | if i was only doing one doc, yes | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | but it would be impractical with our workflow | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | we'll have a lot of global.ents | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | for starters | 05:16 |
| jeffsch | we only have two for breezy anyway, right? | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | right | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | its also possible if we put our entities in a separate path | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | so that all ubuntu-docs will point there instead of having their own | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | it would mimic our working copy | 05:17 |
| jeffsch | wait a minute... we are shipping html, right? If so, what do we need global.ent for? | 05:18 |
| jeffsch | we only need to mimic the build directory | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | right we actually have no need for it for breezy | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | considering yelp is slower than ever, html was a good choice | 05:18 |
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| jeffsch | hey rob^ | 05:32 |
| jeffsch | rob^: did you ever use esvn? | 05:34 |
| jeffsch | if you did, and if you have any backups of your old machine, you can recover you svn password from it | 05:34 |
| jeffsch | esvn stores the svn password in the clear, in the file esvnrc | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i didnt know that | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm this bug filed is upstream | 05:37 |
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| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters <-- added a plea for more data from users, and a link to linuxprinting.org | 06:15 |
| robitaille | I wonder if it is worth sending an email to the mailing list. | 06:17 |
| Madpilot | about? | 06:17 |
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| robitaille | the printers and asking for data points from users | 06:18 |
| === robitaille should probably add his own printer in there. | ||
| Madpilot | might be worth it - look how many community laptops are in the laptop project now | 06:18 |
| robitaille | exactly. People are always eager to help. | 06:19 |
| robitaille | but often they don't know where to start. | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | I think I'll bother Burgundavia to blog it; lots of people seem to follow planet.ubuntu | 06:21 |
| robitaille | I can do it. I haven't blogged in a while on planet. | 06:22 |
| Madpilot | cool | 06:22 |
| Madpilot | if we start getting lots of printers, a bit more organization might be in order | 06:23 |
| Madpilot | seperate tables by manufacturer, I think | 06:23 |
| Madpilot | otherwise it gets to be this huge unreadable monster table... | 06:23 |
| robitaille | hummm... is the rendering that worse with large big table vs a bunch of smaller ones? | 06:25 |
| Madpilot | I find that it just gets harder to pick info out of a longer table, even one as well-designed as the Printer table already is | 06:26 |
| Madpilot | you keep scrolling down... and scrolling down... and scrolling down... | 06:26 |
| robitaille | but I'm afraid users who come there with a printer from a strange manufacturer will not know where to put it if the table doesn't exist | 06:27 |
| Madpilot | good point | 06:27 |
| HrdwrBoB | there's a LOT of printerst though | 06:27 |
| HrdwrBoB | hundreds and hundreds | 06:27 |
| HrdwrBoB | different model numbers for the same thing in different countries | 06:28 |
| HrdwrBoB | etc etc | 06:28 |
| robitaille | and we have no idea when these things were tested. For what we know, most of them may have been done with Warty. Maybe we need a column with the Ubuntu version in there | 06:28 |
| Madpilot | looking thru linuxprinting.org's database proves that | 06:28 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: there is a column for "last updated" | 06:28 |
| robitaille | darn small screen. I didn't even see it on the right of my screen :) | 06:30 |
| robitaille | still, it shouldn't be a date, but an Ubuntu version. A date is somewhat useless | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | heh. couldn't live without my 19"... | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | perhaps an extra column for "Ubuntu Version" outside the "Last Updated" one? | 06:32 |
| robitaille | I'm on the 14in laptop right now.... | 06:32 |
| robitaille | yes; that sounds good | 06:32 |
| Madpilot | OK, I'll add it now. | 06:33 |
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| robitaille | I would put them on the left of the comment column...but that's a lot more work to move stuff around | 06:33 |
| Madpilot | easier to add it to the outside of the table than somewhere in the middle of the thing... | 06:33 |
| robitaille | exactly. it's a bit too late know. | 06:33 |
| robitaille | s/know/now | 06:34 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 06:34 |
| Madpilot | tables are messy at the best of times. tables in Moin markup... well... | 06:34 |
| Madpilot | hmmm... actually, I'll add it to the left of Comments, it's all a matter of pasting anyway | 06:35 |
| robitaille | cupsys-driver-gimpprint is now in main, not in universe. so quite a few of these report haven't been touched since Warty | 06:37 |
| robitaille | and it seems cupsys-driver-gimpprint is now installed by default in Breezy. interesting | 06:38 |
| Madpilot | I should have taken some notes when I was isntalling this printer in Hoary last month. I can't remember what I had to install and what was already loaded... | 06:40 |
| Madpilot | OK, "Ubuntu Version" column added | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | printers? | 07:16 |
| jsgotangco | Printer manufacturers are dumb in their model naming conventions as well | 07:16 |
| Madpilot | not much dumber than the rest of the computer industry... | 07:21 |
| jsgotangco | a few weeks ago, i actually received a telegraph message | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:23 |
| Madpilot | a what? cool! | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | some parts of the my country still rely on it | 07:23 |
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| Madpilot | did you get to decipher the Morse Code yourself, too? ;) | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | no | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | i just received the paper | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | but there is already a plan by the government to shut down the telegraph bureau | 07:25 |
| Madpilot | ... _ _ _ ... _ _ _ ... _ _ _ ... _ _ _ ... | 07:25 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 07:25 |
| Madpilot | if I remember my Morse, that should have been "SOS" in Morse... | 07:26 |
| jsgotangco | wonder if ships still has this thing | 07:26 |
| jsgotangco | what do submarines use? | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | ah sonar righ | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | t | 07:27 |
| Madpilot | subs use ULF - Ultra Long Wave - really, really slow, but it can penetrate water better than normal radio | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | similar to what dolphins and whales use i guess? | 07:28 |
| Madpilot | they really do use sonar/sound to talk - so do subs, but when subs need to use radio they can do ULF without surfacing | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | what do planes use anyway | 07:30 |
| Madpilot | VHF mostly | 07:30 |
| Madpilot | it's line of sight only | 07:30 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 07:30 |
| Madpilot | HF for non-LOS stuff, like in isolated regions | 07:30 |
| Madpilot | getting my pilot's license has filled me with communications trivia... ;) | 07:31 |
| jsgotangco | i thought planes have this frequency hiway to avoid colliding with each other | 07:31 |
| Madpilot | planes mostly don't collide with each other because it's a big sky, and because pilots don't like hitting things | 07:31 |
| jsgotangco | ok so the air traffic controller is only useful for landing and take off? | 07:32 |
| jsgotangco | while on the air, you're mostly on your own? | 07:32 |
| Madpilot | it depends where the air is, really. | 07:32 |
| Madpilot | even a lot of airports have no air traffic control | 07:32 |
| jsgotangco | scary | 07:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | not really | 07:33 |
| Madpilot | and there's lots of airspace (at least in Canada) where you don't even need a radio to fly | 07:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | most highways dont' have .. highway control | 07:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | there's more air than there is road | 07:33 |
| Madpilot | lots more air. plus pilots are smarter than drivers - or at least better trained! | 07:33 |
| jsgotangco | true i was just wondering how commercial airlines do it though if that's the case | 07:33 |
| Madpilot | the big jets are talking to somebody all the time, more or less | 07:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | big airports are strictly timed | 07:34 |
| HrdwrBoB | and managed | 07:34 |
| Madpilot | at any big airport, you're going to be on radar & radio from a long way out, especially if you're an airliner | 07:35 |
| jsgotangco | how about those small planes (cessna, whatever) | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | that's what I fly | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | they're fun | 07:36 |
| jsgotangco | you bought one? | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | and depending on the airspace, you don't have to talk to anyone. | 07:36 |
| Madpilot | hah. no, I rent. even a used plane is expensive | 07:37 |
| jsgotangco | i would imagine, it probably uses jet fuel too | 07:37 |
| Madpilot | no, just high-octane gas. 100 octane (where most car gas is ~80-90 octane) | 07:37 |
| jsgotangco | that sounds fun | 07:38 |
| Madpilot | flying small planes is great. | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | I took an 11 year old boy up last Sunday - the son of a co-worker - it was his first time in a small plane. I think he's hooked | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | can you actually learn from a sim? | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | not really. | 07:39 |
| Madpilot | the flight sims just aren't the same | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | ive seen some sims and they look complicated | 07:39 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah even with force feedback technology | 07:40 |
| Madpilot | Oh, they're complex, but they're still not much like the real thing | 07:40 |
| Madpilot | even with force feedback - which is pretty crap - there's far more input in the real thing for a sim to really compare | 07:40 |
| Madpilot | plus sims encourage too much looking at the instrument panel, while in regular real flying, you need to have your eyes outside the cockpit more than in... | 07:41 |
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| Madpilot | ajmitch: I'm not quite that mad a pilot... ;) | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | you could run them through a script anyway :) | 07:42 |
| Madpilot | I'm sure somewhere on the net there's an English-Morse translator already set up | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, jsgotangco you have any experience with pulling PO's out of html? | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | no, I don't | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, but in big planes like a jumbo jet, you always refer to the instrument panel | 07:43 |
| Madpilot | actually, I think I've got a Morse TTF font somewhere around... | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, nope sorry | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | i couldn't answer the email | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | I just responded | 07:43 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: mostly, but even there, the traffic (other planes) are outside the cockpit... | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | i guess autopilot is overrated =) | 07:46 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: haven't flown a plane with one yet, myself (but the biggest thing I've ever flown only has four seats, so...) | 07:47 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IssuesAsNoviceUbuntuUser <-- noticed this in RecentChanges - seems more like a forum post than wiki material? | 07:54 |
| robitaille | finally added my printer (z53) to the wiki printer page. Time to blog about it to try to get people to fill up the blanks | 08:05 |
| Madpilot | excellent | 08:06 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: not comment? other ppl seem to have trouble with their Lexmark's | 08:09 |
| Madpilot | my lexmark was dying before I switched to Linux, so it never did work right, but I didn't try very hard with it... | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | Lexmark is the dumbest of them all | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | expensive ink, too | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | we actually have a huge cottage industry of ink refills targetted to lexmark | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | I believe it... | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | its actually dumb because one of the biggest lexmark factories are located down south here | 08:11 |
| Madpilot | no Linux support from Lexmark, either... | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | its a pain, they may be the cheapest one here but they're the hardest to use | 08:12 |
| jsgotangco | very few people buy lexmark here really, but the computer resellers give them away so... | 08:13 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, that's not true, my z53 came with Mandrake drivers. | 08:13 |
| Madpilot | here, buying new ink for a Lexmark costs nearly as much as buying the printer in the first place! (cheap printer, expensive ink...) | 08:13 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: really? that's cool. | 08:13 |
| robitaille | but ink is expensive; but I got the printer for free, and I very rarely print anyway | 08:14 |
| Madpilot | I should scrounge up my old Z32 CD, and see what's actually on it now | 08:14 |
| robitaille | I remember that they even had the little penguin logo on the box beside the Windows and Mac logos | 08:14 |
| Madpilot | nothing like that on mine :( | 08:15 |
| robitaille | http://www.lexmark.com/US/products/tech_specs/0,1231,MTg0NHwx,00.html for the complete list of linux supported | 08:16 |
| robitaille | but I stil end up using gimp-print under Ubuntu since it is setup by default that way | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | Mandrake, SuSE & Redhat - OK, better than I'd thought | 08:17 |
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| robitaille | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kurdish it's a recent page. I'm a big confused why someone would cut and paste from the web; and it doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere else. | 09:19 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: I noticed that myself a day or two ago, not sure what the point of it was, either | 09:20 |
| Madpilot | have you confirmed that it's pure cut'n'paste? | 09:20 |
| robitaille | http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kurdish/iran-lang.html | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | bingo | 09:22 |
| Madpilot | I was just checking Wikipedia, actually | 09:22 |
| robitaille | the power of a google search :) | 09:22 |
| Madpilot | I'll vote for deletion, it's both copyright violation & doesn't seem relevant to Ubuntu | 09:22 |
| Madpilot | a Kurdish-lang. Ubuntu would be cool, but we don't need a massive page on the language... | 09:23 |
| rob^ | Burgundavia, hmm | 09:24 |
| rob^ | oops | 09:24 |
| Madpilot | ? | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | wait let me sse it heh | 09:24 |
| rob^ | stupid tab key | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | oh my it looks like a wikipedia entry heh | 09:24 |
| Madpilot | it's cut'n'paste from that 2nd URL robitaille's posted... | 09:24 |
| rob^ | would we say: "Synaptics" or "Synaptic's" in: "..Synaptics/'s full usage is explained below". | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | err | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | Synaptics' | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | you don't use 's on a word that has s at the end | 09:26 |
| rob^ | hmm, I was also thinking that could have been it | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | unless english AU allows it =) | 09:26 |
| rob^ | man I hate english! | 09:26 |
| Madpilot | it's an awful language | 09:27 |
| robitaille | try to learn it when it's not your native tongue :) | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | unforutnately everyone uses it | 09:27 |
| rob^ | yeah, I have heard that its hard | 09:27 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: you grew up speaking French? | 09:27 |
| robitaille | yeah, life is not fair, why doesn't everyone uses french? | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | english isn't my native language | 09:27 |
| Madpilot | it's my only language, really, but it's still awful! | 09:28 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, yes, french is my first language. Mostly learned english after I turned 16 | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | i grew up learning 2 languages and 3 dialects | 09:28 |
| robitaille | humm... still a bit bare :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | I can order beer politely in half a dozen European languages... ;) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, leave it as is, jbailey will be filling it up soon as well as me | 09:30 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, I know. I just saw it while cleaning up my mailbox | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: just saw your printer blog post - good | 09:31 |
| Madpilot | for the printers, what exactly counts as "Supported" as a seperate thing for "Working"? | 09:31 |
| rob^ | hmm why is spell check not working in evolution? | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, did you get your ubuntu.com email? | 09:31 |
| robitaille | yes...and you should have it as well. | 09:32 |
| robitaille | it was turned on earlier, based on your LP address | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | elmo emailed me earlier that i haven't signed the CoC heh | 09:32 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, supported: Ubuntu knows about your printer; work: you can get it to work, but the correct driver, or a workaround | 09:32 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, :) | 09:33 |
| === jsgotangco signed that CoC ages ago before LP was even usable | ||
| Madpilot | robitaille: OK. just thinking of adding some actual detail to the intro blurb on that page | 09:33 |
| robitaille | signed my CoC long before I became a member; I was one of the early Ubuntites | 09:34 |
| robitaille | Madpilot, sounds good. | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, what is your email then? | 09:35 |
| robitaille | robitaille@ubuntu.com | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | l337 | 09:36 |
| robitaille | simple, easy to remember :) | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | its a forwarder? | 09:36 |
| robitaille | yes | 09:36 |
| robitaille | it forward to your launchpad prefered email address | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 09:37 |
| robitaille | which means you can't use your @ubuntu address to log in LP | 09:37 |
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| jsgotangco | did anyone patch rob^ diff already | 09:42 |
| Madpilot | anyone know what "PPD" actually stands for? (linuxprinting.org does even seem to have a def'n...) | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | err PPD? | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | shouldnt it be LPD | 09:43 |
| robitaille | PostScript Printer Description | 09:43 |
| Madpilot | robitaille: thanks | 09:44 |
| robitaille | the printer files often are whatever.ppd | 09:44 |
| robitaille | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript_Printer_Description | 09:44 |
| robitaille | wikipedia never fails to amaze me nowadays | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | "the file used to tell Ubuntu your printer's settings" <-- decent one-line newbie-friendly summary of a PPD? | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | "...settings & abilities." is probably better... | 09:46 |
| rob^ | hey, has anyone seen the unofficial lite ubuntu project? | 09:52 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 09:52 |
| Madpilot | is their webpage layout still broken? | 09:52 |
| rob^ | yeah, there is a wiki which is much better though | 09:53 |
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| mdke | hi all | 09:55 |
| rob^ | hi mdke | 09:55 |
| mdke | hi | 09:55 |
| mdke | nice work on faq guide | 09:55 |
| rob^ | yeah thanks | 09:55 |
| mdke | how is it going? | 09:55 |
| rob^ | corey and jeffsch are doing a good job on reviewing it | 09:56 |
| rob^ | I've sought of stepped back for the last week or so and let them go | 09:56 |
| mdke | cool | 09:56 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 09:56 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 09:56 |
| jsgotangco | long time no chat | 09:56 |
| rob^ | doesn't help that I don't have my svn password.. | 09:56 |
| mdke | rob^: yeah i read that, elmo should be getting up soon so try him from now onwards | 09:57 |
| rob^ | gtg to work in 5 minutes :( | 09:57 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: :( I've been a bit out of touch lately with only dial-up and windows | 09:57 |
| jsgotangco | broandband still hasn't moved? | 09:57 |
| mdke | no it is taking ages | 09:57 |
| mdke | i'm drowning in a sea of webmail | 09:58 |
| mdke | how are things going? | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm going good | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | wonder if jbailey got mdz to nod on removing the freeze | 09:59 |
| mdke | removing the freeze? | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:00 |
| mdke | in what way? | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | we can still write docs after preview | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | and finish up just in time | 10:00 |
| mdke | oh | 10:00 |
| mdke | so will translation be done after release then? | 10:00 |
| mdke | the freeze is there to enable translation to get started before release | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | well translators will be definitely unhappy if we extend further after the freeze | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | but since we only have 2 main docs, i think we're safe =) | 10:01 |
| mdke | so when will translation start? | 10:02 |
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| mdke | is extending the doc freeze absolutely necessary? | 10:03 |
| Madpilot | OK, got the intro info done (I think) on the Printer page. thoughts, anyone? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters | 10:04 |
| mdke | it would be a shame not to have translation done | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | if anyone can review About Ubuntu now i can make this final and have it open for translation i guess | 10:05 |
| mdke | ok | 10:06 |
| mdke | what about the other docs? | 10:06 |
| mdke | are they not going to be ready for the freeze? | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, QuickTour is coming along | 10:06 |
| mdke | :) | 10:06 |
| mdke | hi corey | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, yes, html to po is not fun, but hey | 10:07 |
| mdke | i looked into it with the ubuntuguide some months back | 10:08 |
| mdke | it was hell | 10:08 |
| mdke | it works only with strict html | 10:08 |
| mdke | (x) | 10:08 |
| mdke | we'll work something out though I'm sure | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, is the QuickTour strict html? | 10:08 |
| Madpilot | ouch. the QuickTour is not strict... | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, can we make it so? | 10:09 |
| Madpilot | I'm not sure | 10:09 |
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| mdke | i think strict xhtml is simply an implementation of xml | 10:10 |
| Madpilot | It does validate, but it's not using a Strict HTML doctype | 10:10 |
| mdke | like docbook is | 10:10 |
| Madpilot | it's currently XHTML 1.0 Transitional | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | we can't make it Strict XHTML without getting rid of the tables, I think | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | but let me look into the Strict XHTML def'n for a minute | 10:12 |
| mdke | jsgotangco? | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | i was fixing my touchpad | 10:14 |
| Madpilot | ... for the folks in charge of markup, the W3C have some crappy, crappy webpages... | 10:14 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: so you were talking about postponing the doc freeze | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, i wasn't it was jbailey's idea | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | and we're not optimistic of mdz approving such | 10:15 |
| mdke | ok, but i was curious as to the reason | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | in case you didn't know, our docs broke the pre-colony 4 build | 10:15 |
| mdke | ok so the problem is with the package? | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | yes but it got fixed already | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | we don't have ubuntu-quickguide anymore but ubuntu-desktop depends on it | 10:16 |
| mdke | ok so what is the precise issue? | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | so stage 2 wouldn't continue | 10:17 |
| mdke | yeah i understand that | 10:17 |
| mdke | but that is not a problem with the docs themselves, just with the package | 10:17 |
| mdke | what is the reason for extending the doc freeze? | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | but its already finished | 10:18 |
| mdke | there must be one... | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, to clean it up further | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | even have a release notes | 10:18 |
| mdke | ok... now you're answering my question! | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | edubuntu doesn't have a doc freeze | 10:18 |
| mdke | which docs aren't going to be ready for doc freeze? | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | but edubuntu 5.10 is mostly a large beta release | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | i did a quick edit of About Ubuntu | 10:19 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: just to change the subject quickly, is the last bit of the quicktour (the opencd project thing) still true for breezy? | 10:20 |
| mdke | i heard they were combining the live and install cds and getting rid of the opencd stuff | 10:20 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: is faqguide going to be ready? | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, there are still some entries that are not consistent with jeffsch's editing | 10:21 |
| mdke | ok | 10:21 |
| mdke | well if you think there are good reasons for extending the freeze, and they outweigh the interests of translators, then maybe it is a good idea to ask for an extension | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, yes. UbuntuExpress didn't make breezy | 10:22 |
| mdke | k | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, and thus we are stuck with the d-i for one more relesae | 10:22 |
| mdke | fine by me | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | that's not so bad, you already had your request on removing the root terminal =) | 10:22 |
| mdke | i like it | 10:22 |
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| Burgundavia | the quicktour is basically done except for screenshots, and those don't need to be done for string freeze anyway | 10:23 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: ? | 10:25 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: cool | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, there's no reason at the moment considering the status of the 2 docs, we will only extend just to add a relase notes as jbailey indicated | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, what do you think of the quicktour generally? | 10:25 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: looks great | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, but considering the state of our shippable docs, it can be opened up for translation | 10:26 |
| mdke | ok sounds good | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, the question now is do we do the PO files or through rosetta | 10:26 |
| mdke | rosetta uses po files | 10:26 |
| mdke | so i would go with both | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | can we feed xml to rosetta? | 10:26 |
| mdke | no | 10:27 |
| mdke | we can make the po files and then upload them via carlos/daf/jordi or whoever | 10:27 |
| jsgotangco | OK | 10:27 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I have one large edit in installing-applications left | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | i would request anyone then to review About Ubuntu, Quick Guide and FAQ Guide | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | then we need to polish what is there | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | and make the necessary edits if needed | 10:28 |
| mdke | i will TRY and have a look at About ubuntu today, but I can't promise anything sadly | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, email would do | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, how is the rest of your life going? | 10:28 |
| mdke | i'm pretty bummed I haven't been able to help lately | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | how is your laptop going | 10:28 |
| Madpilot | for the XHTML Strict & po translations - does the damn thing actually have to validate as XHTML Strict? | 10:29 |
| mdke | fine, but windows only | 10:29 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: actually quite well | 10:29 |
| mdke | apart form not having broadband | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, ouch | 10:29 |
| mdke | Madpilot: yeah, but if you can't do it, don't worry, we'll think of something else | 10:29 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: yeah and my modem is not supported by Ubuntu | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, what is the stumbling block? | 10:30 |
| mdke | i think strict xhtml is rather different to transitional | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, my wired nic and my modem are not detected, but my wireless is atheros, so I am good to go | 10:30 |
| Madpilot | mdke: I know too little about XHTML, there's one non-validating bit that I flat-out don't understand... | 10:30 |
| mdke | ah | 10:30 |
| mdke | maybe we can find someone who does? | 10:30 |
| Madpilot | I'll generate a diff on the stuff I've done, and post that to the list in a bit. | 10:31 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ok | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | err guys in case im not online and jbailey is around can anyone follow him up on the scrollkeeper - yelp integration of our docs for preview | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | i have an idea what needs to be done but will still need jbailey's packaging | 10:33 |
| mdke | our docs are html right? | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | you still need to register it | 10:33 |
| mdke | ok | 10:34 |
| mdke | i won't be around either | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | an omf file would do =) | 10:34 |
| mdke | the dial-up bill is growing | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | ok im positive this is workable within the day | 10:35 |
| Madpilot | anyone know what the heck XHTML Strict uses instead of <ul> for an unordered list? All my books are HTML-based... | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | oopps we have a preview issue | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, the quicktour is in pure html, the faqguide and aboutubuntu in docbook | 10:36 |
| mdke | yes | 10:36 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: ok i will check about-ubuntu today and email the list when I have. | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 10:38 |
| mdke | gtg now | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, thanks for dropping by | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | see you | 10:39 |
| mdke | sorry I haven't helped much lately | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | rob^, ping | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | OK, quicktour.html.diff is made, off to the list in a minute | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, how far are we away from strict? | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | ok anyone here can patch? i will be offline in a while | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | need to test in a different partition | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I can patch | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | i thought you were in a different machine | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | see you guys later | 10:51 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia: we're ONE validation error away from Strict | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | but it's to do with <ul> (unordered lists) and I haven't a clue why it's not valid | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:53 |
| Madpilot | and neither does google, at least with what I've had a quick look for. | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | I can just drop the ul | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | what about ol? | 10:53 |
| Madpilot | not sure if OL works either | 10:54 |
| Madpilot | just a minute, I'll check | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | UL should work | 10:54 |
| Madpilot | I know UL should work, I don't know why it doesn't... | 10:55 |
| Madpilot | crap... I just screwed up my local copy of quickguide.html - how do I force svn to pull down a repo copy for me? | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | just delete it and then svn up | 11:00 |
| Madpilot | thanks | 11:01 |
| Madpilot | OK, diff sent to the list | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, committed | 11:14 |
| Madpilot | thanks | 11:14 |
| Madpilot | got some ppl from #html looking at the damn thing now, to see why it's not validating Strict... | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | I am headed to bed, if you can figure out why, send another patch to the list | 11:15 |
| Madpilot | Got it sorted, new diff on it's way in a few minutes. good night | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | night | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | I will commit it in the morning | 11:17 |
| Madpilot | quicktour diff sent to the list. | 11:27 |
| Madpilot | good night, all | 11:27 |
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| mdke | anyone around? | 01:06 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 01:06 |
| mdke | hiya | 01:07 |
| mdke | corey seemed to say there was an error with my about-ubuntu file? | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | whats up im just updating X | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i haven't checked im not in my hoary partition | 01:07 |
| mdke | ah cool, can you have a look later and commit it if it's ok? | 01:08 |
| jsgotangco | (2 huge X updates grrrr) | 01:08 |
| mdke | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-September/003421.html | 01:08 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:08 |
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| mdke | new emails from my webmail don't thread properly | 01:08 |
| mdke | at least with mailman | 01:08 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: ok i'm off again, good luck with X and i'd like it if you can check out my about-ubuntu.xml later if you have time | 01:10 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 01:10 |
| mdke | thanks :) | 01:10 |
| jsgotangco | i just couldn't get out of this X mess right now | 01:10 |
| mdke | heh | 01:12 |
| mdke | see ya later | 01:12 |
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| jsgotangco | aha | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | morning jeff | 02:02 |
| jbailey | g'devening Andrew. | 02:02 |
| jbailey | Or is it properly morning there now, too? =) | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | morning here now :) | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | its already night here | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | well, after midnight anyway | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey, completely awake? | 02:05 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: As awake as I'm going to get in the next hour, anyway. =) | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | ok i only have one question | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | make that 2 | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | are you going to do the scrollkeeper bit? | 02:06 |
| jsgotangco | are we still doing release notes? | 02:06 |
| jsgotangco | ah! another one | 02:06 |
| jsgotangco | did you ask mdz to drop the freeze? | 02:06 |
| jbailey | 1) Yes, after the preview freeze I think. | 02:07 |
| jbailey | Although I'll look for it today. | 02:07 |
| jbailey | 2) YEs. wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes | 02:07 |
| jbailey | 3) Not yet, thanks for the reminder. | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | i tried it last night, it was a pain (you're right the svn isn't package friendly) | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | i had to move everyone one bit entitiy that was pointed if i do it in xml | 02:08 |
| jbailey | I resent the request for getting write permissions yesterday morning, so hopefully I'll get access soon. | 02:08 |
| jbailey | Well, I wonder if I could get permission to do the scrollkeeper bit for preview. It's tight, but it would be really nice. | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | isn't preview in a day or two? | 02:09 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | probably less than 24 hours from now | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | does the scrollkeeper bit affect only 1 package? | 02:10 |
| jsgotangco | well it updates the whole sk db | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | I'm just wondering if it has even a slim chance of breaking something :) | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | barely | 02:12 |
| ajmitch | hopefully mdz will consider then | 02:13 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Do you know what needs to be done? | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | sure i sat for an hour last night thinking about it and dug through hoary...its a pain with xml but it might be easier with html i will try later | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | the omf file should be easy | 02:14 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 02:14 |
| jbailey | Docbook and scrollkeeper are new beasts to me. | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | scrollkeeper is terribly old but its what we have since we use yelp | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | gahhh i gotta rest first | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | br | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | b | 02:40 |
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| mdke | ahh broadband is back | 05:13 |
| jbailey | Is the docteam meeting today? | 05:31 |
| mdke | not that I know of | 05:31 |
| mdke | i didn't see anything on the mailing list | 05:31 |
| mdke | although in the topic for #-meeting there is something posted for the 9th | 05:32 |
| jbailey | Ah the 9th, okay. | 05:43 |
| jbailey | I remember that it was an odd number. =) | 05:43 |
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| mdke | hey Burgundavia | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | salut mdke | 08:35 |
| mdke | :) | 08:35 |
| mdke | my broadband arrived a few days early | 08:35 |
| mdke | so i'll sort out that about-ubuntu patch asap | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, ok, cheers | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | I suspect that it got infected with windows line ends | 08:36 |
| mdke | argh | 08:37 |
| mdke | in that case I'll just do it again | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | that is the only thing I can think of that would replace the entire document | 08:37 |
| mdke | ok i'll check it out | 08:38 |
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| Madpilot | nice to see 6 or 8 new printers in the HardwarePrinter page since Daniel's blog post last night... | 09:25 |
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| mdke | evening froud | 09:30 |
| froud | evening | 09:30 |
| froud | anyone feeling board? | 09:30 |
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| mdke | hmm | 09:31 |
| mdke | that was appalling | 09:31 |
| mdke | froud, we need to think about how to generate po files soon | 09:32 |
| mdke | maybe in the meeting on friday? | 09:32 |
| froud | http://icdl.tsf.org.za/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43 is up for grabs if anyone wants some fun | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | for po files, the QuickTour is now XHTML Strict - yes, I figured it out, it's now valid Strict... | 09:32 |
| mdke | nice one Madpilot | 09:32 |
| froud | yep yep if you put XHTML in SVN only do XHTML strict | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | thanks - turns out it was one stupid nesting-tags error on my part - an error that's only an error using Strict | 09:33 |
| === froud remembers porting unofficialubuntuguide.org | ||
| Madpilot | froud: messy job? | 09:34 |
| froud | Madpilot: better 2 wrk in xml and trnsfrm 2 xhtml | 09:34 |
| froud | then CSS | 09:34 |
| froud | but no time for me now | 09:34 |
| froud | must go | 09:34 |
| froud | later | 09:35 |
| Madpilot | froud: yeah, but I know XHTML fairly well, haven't worked with XML yet. | 09:35 |
| mdke | be at the meeting? | 09:35 |
| froud | when | 09:35 |
| mdke | 9th 14 UTC | 09:35 |
| froud | 2 days | 09:35 |
| froud | bugga | 09:35 |
| froud | shal try | 09:35 |
| mdke | cool | 09:35 |
| froud | got to much a cooking | 09:36 |
| mdke | otherwise I'll mail you about it | 09:36 |
| froud | scared to commit on ubuntu-docs | 09:36 |
| froud | will help if I can | 09:36 |
| mdke | ? | 09:37 |
| froud | but higher priorities must come first and don't want to disappoint | 09:37 |
| froud | clony 4 looks good | 09:37 |
| froud | tought install was 2 b graphic | 09:38 |
| mdke | oh i see what you mean | 09:38 |
| froud | but better now with new prgrss bar | 09:38 |
| froud | what translated from b4 | 09:39 |
| froud | and what need doing now | 09:39 |
| froud | faq is new | 09:39 |
| froud | quick guide needs merge | 09:39 |
| froud | what else | 09:40 |
| mdke | quickguide is not being released | 09:40 |
| mdke | just about-ubuntu, faq, releasenotes, quicktour (html) afaics | 09:41 |
| froud | is not qtour = new qguide? | 09:41 |
| mdke | its essentially a totally different thing | 09:42 |
| froud | abt ubuntu is translated into many languages | 09:42 |
| mdke | froud, sure but it has changed since last release, so new po files need to be generated | 09:42 |
| Madpilot | Quick Tour is a brochure, more or less. QGuide was more in-depth, wasn't it? | 09:42 |
| froud | should get make pot.new then msgmerge pot.old | 09:43 |
| froud | then take result to rosetta | 09:43 |
| froud | diff will be auto displayed, no? | 09:43 |
| mdke | no idea | 09:44 |
| froud | How much in abtubuntu is new | 09:45 |
| mdke | just minor changes | 09:45 |
| froud | then we need to get all translations thereof into svn | 09:45 |
| mdke | don't think so, we should be able to arrange the merges in rosetta i think | 09:46 |
| froud | then make pot.new and msgmerge with pot.old | 09:46 |
| froud | the result should go back to rose and they will see the diff, I think that was how it worked | 09:46 |
| mdke | i'll investigate with the rosetta people | 09:47 |
| mdke | gtg now | 09:47 |
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