[02:01] <JaneW> ** REMINDER** Edubuntu update meeting NOW 
[02:01] <JaneW> hello
[02:01] <JaneW> guys I have to leave at 3pm sharp
[02:01] <ogra> hi
[02:01] <JaneW> 13:00 UTC
[02:01] <jamey3> hi
[02:01] <JaneW> so let's try to stay on topic today
[02:01] <magnon> hey
[02:02] <ogra> oki, quick status update form here
[02:02] <JaneW> I have a nmeeting at Mark's alma mater ;)
[02:02] <JaneW> ogra: the floor is yours
[02:02] <ogra> the CD is almost in shape, there are two issues left where manual intervention is required
[02:03] <ogra> one of them i'm just solvng, the other one was solved sunday but waits for a upload of the ltsp package...
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hello evil flint_ 
[02:03] <flint_> god it is so damn early...
[02:03] <ogra> it might occur that both cant happen before preview of ubuntu, since all ressources i need are blocke for that currently
[02:04] <ogra> so it might be that we have our preiew release tow or three days late...
[02:04] <ogra> thats all from my side for now... i'm eagerly waiting for more test reports :)
[02:05] <flint_> i like it..."evil flint" it has a cute sort of ring to it.
[02:05] <magnon> ogra: installing atm... but I recon that a couple of days push shouldn't hurt at all since it's a first release?
[02:05] <magnon> (and has no public demands :P)
[02:05] <ogra> it has :)
[02:06] <ogra> and i'd like to match the release date.... bt i'm not really after matching preview ...
[02:06] <magnon> I'll put away everything and help closer to release if you need it
[02:06] <ogra> the CD is good enough for testing now.... thats what counts
[02:06] <magnon> preview is a bit less important :)
[02:07] <magnon> (at least for edubuntu)
[02:08] <ogra> questions anyone ? 
[02:08] <coarsesalt> yes.
[02:08] <coarsesalt> I'm very excited about, and very new to, this whole process...
[02:08] <ogra> shoot then :)
[02:08] <flint_> ollie, you know Elkner held for 4 periods and had to get his major hooligans to break it in the afternoon
[02:08] <coarsesalt> we'll be annoucing this release on the podcast this weekend, and i'm wondering where to tell people to go for support
[02:09] <jsgotangco> errr
[02:09] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[02:09] <jsgotangco> #edubuntu =)
[02:09] <coarsesalt> Are there things that are edubuntu specific
[02:09] <coarsesalt> and ubuntu specific
[02:09] <flint_> ah support...
[02:09] <coarsesalt> notice the 'new to' section of my intro... :)
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: I am going to speak to mdz about staggering our milestones...
[02:10] <ogra> coarsesalt, yup, the edubuntu specific stuff should go to #edubuntu and edubuntu-devel@
[02:10] <flint_> you see, this is different from a bunch of guy (and gal) geeks sitting in their basements screwing with their computers, this has profile at every school it is attempted.
[02:10] <coarsesalt> flint_ which is what we are trying to organize with various school boards
[02:10] <JaneW> magnon: thanks for the offer of help much appreciated
[02:11] <coarsesalt> only problem is, we see the potential and are lacking in experience
[02:11] <JaneW> belated hello to the evil one
[02:11] <ogra> flint_, as long as i dont get more info, i cant do anything
[02:11] <flint_> As a member of the Arlington County Public School Information Technology Advisory Council, I tell you that these folks are resistant to organization.
[02:11] <ogra> flint_, i'm waiting for the promised test results...
[02:12] <coarsesalt> They are probably also resistent to a lack of organization
[02:12] <magnon> flint_: I could tell you the same without ever being on a school board, just having meetings with them ;)
[02:12] <flint_> Also you average school board member cares not about this issue.  believe me.
[02:12] <flint_> you need to target that geek in the system.  your inside salesman.
[02:12] <JaneW> coarsesalt: to be honest there not much in the way of formal support yet, which is why we are leaunching this release quietly
[02:13] <magnon> JaneW: I'll keep in touch closer to release :)
[02:13] <JaneW> coarsesalt: we are not trying to convert ever school right now
[02:13] <coarsesalt> JaneW: that explains a great deal
[02:13] <JaneW> coarsesalt: however april 2006 is another story ;)
[02:13] <flint_> ollie, what form do you want them in.  Elkner tests software the way the wright brothers tested airplaines
[02:14] <JaneW> coarsesalt: we are relying on enthiasts right now to tinker and test and be prepared to fiddle under the hood
[02:14] <flint_> he flys it till it crashes.  What can i get you for results?
[02:14] <JaneW> coarsesalt: we have to get it to a point where we don;t expect (or need) that anymore
[02:14] <ogra> flint_, like mdz described in his mail... we need to find what blocks.... i doubt its a gnome thing as elkner thinks, since it works well with gnome in other environments
[02:15] <JaneW> flint_: i.e. *analyse*, don;t just be a cowboy ;)
[02:15] <flint_> how many terminals simultaneously?  How many processes? 
[02:15] <coarsesalt> JaneW: yes. that explains the gap in usability between the ubuntu project and what i saw on my installs... that information is what i needed.
[02:15] <ogra> flint_, yes, and the exact spec of the HW and the setup...
[02:16] <ogra> flint_, also looking at the ressources if the problem occurs (or short before it does)
[02:16] <coarsesalt> JaneW: that also gives me enough time to learn how to use it ;)
[02:16] <flint_> I do like cowboys, (not george who is a wantobe from connecticut) 
[02:16] <JaneW> flint_: don;t even get me started on rat boy!
[02:17] <coarsesalt> oh. rat boy. i like that.
[02:17] <JaneW> http://www.selltheranch.com/
[02:17] <flint_> ollie you are exactly right.  Note that I have been trying to get elkner to write a systems description for the last 3 years...
[02:17] <JaneW> oh wait, I wanted to stay on topic ... ;)
[02:17] <flint_> i prefered "evil flint" :^)
[02:17] <JaneW> lol
[02:18] <flint_> Note jane I am moving to vermont, and will be there by next month (near border)
[02:18] <JaneW> cool
[02:18] <coarsesalt> So, if i start people down the open-office, audacity, shoutcast, firefox transition this year and tell them that they'll be an OS next school year...
[02:18] <JaneW> I hear it is noce there
[02:18] <JaneW> nice even
[02:18] <jsgotangco> err can i update?
[02:18] <JaneW> coarsesalt: sure
[02:18] <flint_> we need two things, a test device, and a support organization.
[02:19] <JaneW> coarsesalt: you could even give then ubuntu
[02:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, if JaneW releases me ... :)
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: you done?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> oh i thought it was done
[02:19] <flint_> btw Elkner says he really likes the current Edubuntu distribution.
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: so we need to soeak to mdz about staggered milestones, and the LTSP update...
[02:19] <ogra> JaneW, anything missing ? 
[02:19] <JaneW> what elese
[02:19] <ogra> the rest will fall in place alone afer preview....
[02:20] <flint_> he indicated that he has had to tune every distro including the k12 stuff he started with
[02:20] <ogra> (i.e. moving the artwork package on the CD)
[02:20] <JaneW> ok.
[02:20] <ogra> its all prepared, i just dont want to risk the working CD now...
[02:20] <JaneW>  sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart ?
[02:20] <magnon> flint_: support organisations for what? (sorry, jumped out of the convo for a little bit)
[02:20] <flint_> the CD works.  
[02:20] <ogra> JaneW, thats waiting for the mdz patch 
[02:21] <JaneW> ogra: he is going to do it? (or has he already?)
[02:21] <ogra> JaneW, and ltsp-build-client will be done from the installer .... i just finished the package that does it...
[02:21] <ogra> JaneW, he had no time to review m patch yet he said
[02:21] <ogra> my even
[02:22] <flint_> magnon, elkner is a very savvy cat.  He is having issues.  Imagine how your average kindergarten teacher will react.  again it is no longer about geeks in basements...
[02:22] <ogra> flint_, yes, but we need more data to analyse his prob....
[02:23] <magnon> flint_: my job is providing that kind of help already ;)
[02:23] <ogra> "everything stops working" is n not a good base to track a issue
[02:23] <flint_> I know, I got to deliver...
[02:23] <JaneW> ok lets give jsgotangco a chance before he needs to go...
[02:23] <ogra> yup
[02:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ?
[02:24] <magnon> as long as you can ssh in, ltsp provides some nice methods to debug clients
[02:24] <jsgotangco> ah
[02:24] <jsgotangco> okay
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i was a bit sleepy
[02:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:24] <magnon> pardon
[02:24] <jsgotangco> well ok rather
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i got to finish about edubuntu and its already up for review
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i got it to register in scrollkeeper last night
[02:24] <jsgotangco> it was a pain
[02:24] <jsgotangco> to do it in xml
[02:24] <flint_> Chris, how do I get this information?
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i was thinking
[02:25] <jsgotangco> maybe its easier to just ship this in html
[02:25] <magnon> (what Chris?)
[02:25] <jsgotangco> along with the relasenotes and cookbook
[02:25] <flint_> BTW in the brave new world of the security geek, ssh is not always an option.  it is not in APS
[02:25] <ogra> jsgotangco, we areopen for everything :)
[02:26] <flint_> Christoffer Olsen is how you came up in the roster... sorry!
[02:26] <jsgotangco> okay i'll just make sure the preview is in doc.ubuntu.com by tommorow so that it can be up for review
[02:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I think it;s up to you...
[02:26] <ogra> oki
[02:26] <JaneW> you know the rles and pros and cons in the doc world...
[02:26] <magnon> flint_: you never know ;) I cant remember exactly how, but each client runs a little daemon that you can contact
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ok i'll let ogra package it to make sure i don't break anything again
[02:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: heh
[02:26] <magnon> it should provide logs and the like
[02:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, ok
[02:26] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we trust you
[02:27] <magnon> although I never had to use it
[02:27] <ogra> jsgotangco, the edubuntu packages will only break edubuntu ;)
[02:27] <jsgotangco> but they're not main packages
[02:27] <magnon> flint_: whats APS?
[02:27] <ogra> jsgotangco, so you wont have to fear the wrath of mdz ;)
[02:27] <flint_> APS = Arlington (virginia us) Public Schools
[02:27] <magnon> Aha
[02:28] <jsgotangco> should be done by this weekend, i just want to know the status of jonathan's trouble shooting guide
[02:28] <magnon> SSH can be tricked through though
[02:28] <flint_> what patch is mdz inflicting on us?
[02:28] <magnon> :)
[02:28] <magnon> if you're not on-site and provide support, I would say you have to demand ssh access or another form of terminal access.
[02:28] <JaneW> flint_: not  Arlington Public Elite Schools ..?
[02:28] <magnon> be it through VPN
[02:28] <JaneW> flint_:  APES
[02:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[02:29] <magnon> Arlington Public Edubuntu Schools :)
[02:29] <ogra> flint_, a patch to restart the dhcp server at the end of the install, so you dont ave to do it manually...
[02:29] <JaneW> lol, magnon touche
[02:29] <flint_> Jane, I like it! magnon, sadly the edubuntu movement is in no position to demand.  we fight for existance...
[02:29] <jsgotangco> basically, if we have a troubleshooting guide, we have a cookbook by release
[02:29] <magnon> flint_: "I save you money, you give me access, kapiche?"
[02:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING PING PING
[02:30] <magnon> that's regularily the case :)
[02:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you sent JOnatha a mail about that?
[02:30] <jsgotangco> i haven't maybe later
[02:30] <magnon> no point in pushing edubuntu to someone who aren't enthusiastic about it... until it has some market share and reports/reviews/etc.
[02:30] <ogra> yup
[02:30] <jsgotangco> we should be having some sort of release notes by preview
[02:31] <jsgotangco> even a basic paragraph would do
[02:31] <flint_> oddly enough the "I save you money, you give me access" cuts no ice in micro$oft land...
[02:31] <flint_> jane, where the heck is Jonathan?
[02:31] <jsgotangco> other than that we're in for PROFIT
[02:31] <coarsesalt> flint_ seems the opposite actually, you have to charge more money to get more access
[02:31] <magnon> flint_: if I run a test, I would be on-site most of the time. If I have a completely converted network, I would have to demand certain things from the infrastructure of it
[02:31] <coarsesalt> flint_ that's my kind of economy
[02:32] <magnon> if I cant get it, it makes the quality of my service go down
[02:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, yay
[02:32] <magnon> = no joy
[02:32] <magnon> because M$ land people always blame YOU when things go wrong even though you said it would at some point :P
[02:32] <flint_> the angle I would like to see is diagnostics that push rather than techies that pull.
[02:32] <JaneW> flint_: dunno where highvoltage is, but he does have a day job...
[02:33] <jsgotangco> maybe he's with hilton somewhere
[02:33] <magnon> A goal for the future would be a certain "marketplace" for Edubuntu as well
[02:33] <magnon> methinks.
[02:33] <ogra> yup
[02:33] <jsgotangco> anyways, if there are any more questions, please shoot
[02:33] <jsgotangco> (don't ask about translations atm i'm just too loaded)
[02:33] <flint_> at the end of the day it becomes the provence of the techie, and that is a valuable resource.
[02:34] <magnon> flint_: also, my belief is that normal school staff are utterly and totally incompetent to run an LTSP network without outside support
[02:34] <jsgotangco> any questions?
[02:35] <magnon> jsgotangco: no questions, you're doing great :)
[02:35] <jsgotangco> ok i guess that's the update for the edubuntu doc team
[02:35] <magnon> thanks
[02:35] <magnon> ;)
[02:36] <jsgotangco> hmm btw
[02:36] <jsgotangco> the FF frontpage hmmm
[02:36] <jsgotangco> i gotta think about that after
[02:36] <flint_> magnon This is my feeling as well.  The ticket with techies is that  they are a very perisable comidity.  If you are not prepared to serve them up when and where they are needed the customer fails to see the value.  There is some staging that must be done
[02:37] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thanks for the update
[02:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll make one, i want links to all locally installed servers ....
[02:37] <ogra> i.e. to "use the local schooltool, klick here"
[02:38] <jsgotangco> okay
[02:38] <jsgotangco> klick?
[02:38] <jsgotangco> kde?
[02:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:38] <magnon> ogra: shouldnt the homepage be on the proxy server, perhaps?
[02:38] <JaneW> brb
[02:38] <jsgotangco> we have no proxy server
[02:38] <ogra> magnon, there is no proxy in this release...
[02:39] <magnon> if that design is somewhat required some time
[02:39] <ogra> not by default
[02:39] <magnon> completely aware of that
[02:39] <ogra> and i refuse to change firefox :) so we need to exchange the default page instead...
[02:39] <flint_> there should be an inside and an outside page...
[02:39] <ogra> (thats what edubuntu-artwork currently does)
[02:39] <jsgotangco> alright i going to rash then
[02:39] <jsgotangco> crash
[02:40] <magnon> bye :)
[02:40] <magnon> flint_: why an outside at all?
[02:40] <ogra> flint_, firefox only has one homepage
[02:40] <magnon> im pretty sure the school wouldnt host their homepage on the edubuntu server ;p
[02:40] <ogra> flint_, it will have links to internal ressources as well as to external ones.... i'll cut it in sections
[02:40] <magnon> (you never know)
[02:41] <flint_> kind of like the bulliten board the teacher dresses
[02:41] <magnon> edubuntu cant do everything ;)
[02:41] <ogra> flint_, just click on home in the ubuntu firefox.... its what i'm talking about ...
[02:41] <flint_> also if you have an outside, parents get involved.  School adminstrations cannot resist parents.
[02:42] <flint_> ollie gotcha, think of that as the inside page.
[02:42] <magnon> me and my colleague are working on a school-related CMSy/management thing that will eventually be GPLed
[02:42] <ogra> yup... but with links to www.edubuntu.org and ubuntu.com
[02:42] <magnon> maybe it could be of usage
[02:42] <magnon> some time.
[02:43] <ogra> flint_, do you know if elkner tested my ldm fixes i sent him the link for ? 
[02:43] <flint_> the cool thing about your approach is ollie is that you do not have to muck with mozilla.  I like it.
[02:43] <ogra> (themeable login etc=
[02:43] <ogra> )
[02:44] <flint_> i will check.  the sombitch is actually teaching this morning...
[02:44] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[02:44] <ogra> there are instructions in the .txt file
[02:45] <ogra> since you both moaned about a graphical/themeable login... ;)
[02:45] <magnon> flint_: with parent involvment, you mean like principal uploading an ical to some web thing that makes a nicely formatted parent readable clanedar out of it, for instance?
[02:45] <flint_> I will get this to him soonest.
[02:46] <flint_> thats the technical thing.  The political thing is the thing of great power.
[02:47] <flint_> thanks for the link ollie.
[02:48] <ogra> :)
[02:49] <JaneW> flint_: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/
[02:49] <magnon> halfways afk, making some dinner
[02:49] <JaneW> flint_: if you are creative add some wall papers etc
[02:50] <ogra> magnon, dinner ? now ? 
[02:50] <magnon> ogra: I was up at 4 :)
[02:50] <ogra> phew
[02:50] <flint_> these are nice!  excellent stuff jane.  This is for the next release or the current?
[02:50] <ogra> thats when i go to bed :)
[02:50] <ogra> flint_, ill see how many i can add...
[02:50] <JaneW> flint_: I belive most will be in the current, ogra confirm please?
[02:51] <ogra> the CD is having lots of space issues already
[02:51] <magnon> and martial arts at 6:30.. cant be hungry or have lots of food in my belly then :)
[02:51] <flint_> I like green, keep in mind that teacher options will be important.  Let them put their own stuff in is the ticket.
[02:51] <ogra> JaneW, we are tight on space.... so i peobably have to select...
[02:52] <ogra> JaneW, but thats something to sort if we *can* break the CD again (after preview)
[02:52] <flint_> go with small but add a text file telling installers how to put their own stuff in the login
[02:52] <JaneW> flint_: they are free to u/l to the site and share their artistry...
[02:52] <flint_> ollie just add one to make the login screen look less like the eye from "lord of the rings"
[02:52] <ogra> flint_, the raphical login stuf isnt agrred by mdz yet.. i doubt he had time to look at it
[02:53] <ogra> huh ? 
[02:53] <flint_> he really wants to put this graphical login off till the next release.
[02:53] <ogra> no idea... 
[02:53] <ogra> he didnt talk to me about it...
[02:54] <JaneW> flint_: chnaging the wall paper is very trival (as easy if not more so than in windows)
[02:54] <ogra> i sent him the link to it end of august
[02:54] <flint_> i'll grant yo he is an ornery cuss, but he is pretty smart.
[02:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[02:54] <ogra> JaneW, you are talking about different things, flint_ means the login screen...
[02:54] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong pong pong
[02:54] <flint_> Jane changing the login screen wallpaper is what we need to do.  this is hard.
[02:54] <magnon> highvoltage: slowpoke!
[02:54] <highvoltage> is there a meeting?
[02:55] <magnon> yes
[02:55] <ogra> highvoltage, nearly done
[02:55] <flint_> ah Johnathan!
[02:55] <highvoltage> flint_: without an "h" before the first "n"
[02:55] <flint_> (never could spell your first name right...)
[02:55] <highvoltage> flint_: it's Jonathan or jono or highvoltage :)
[02:55] <JaneW> ogra: oic
[02:55] <flint_> jonathan, where is your buddy hilton?
[02:55] <highvoltage> ok. anything i can do ya for? i'm a bit distracted here!
[02:56] <ogra> JaneW, but that would require mdz to agree to my patches from august, which he didnt react on yet
[02:56] <highvoltage> flint_: hilton is fine. he's going to another province next week to spread the word!
[02:56] <JaneW> highvoltage: just call flint Pauhl, he;ll catch on...
[02:56] <flint_> jonathan what kind of trouble are you getting into.  I got some mail from an IBM'er and sent it to him.
[02:57] <flint_> pawl, pale...
[02:57] <JaneW> flint_: that's an SA CSI exercise
[02:57] <highvoltage> flint_: all kinds, i can talk later
[02:57] <flint_> I want to thank jane for helping me stir up the pot at IBM....
[02:57] <highvoltage> flint_: i'll be in #edubuntu tonight, pop in!
[02:57] <flint_> we need to get into their knickers.  They sell big intel based servers...
[02:57] <highvoltage> bbl
[02:58] <JaneW> flint_: I am not sure thay guy wants to include the whole north ameriacn mailing list :P
[02:58] <flint_> talk later then bye jonathan
[02:58] <JaneW> flint_: : he asked for the list to be whittled
[02:58] <ogra> JaneW, tell him it was just a mailclient stresstest ;)
[02:59] <flint_> jane he has a very clear political agenda tha involves SA technology leadership within IBM.
[02:59] <flint_> jane we need to conspire offline, we could easily frighten the techies...
[03:00] <flint_> ...or it could just be nothing...ya never know.
[03:01] <JaneW> ok
[03:02] <flint_> what I get out of this is that I need to get data from elkner to ollie.  did i get the picture?
[03:02] <ogra> yup
[03:03] <ogra> and probably CC mdz :)
[03:03] <ogra> since he gave the advise how to do it 
[03:03] <JaneW> yes please
[03:03] <flint_> ok then.  and carbon the dreaded zimmerman. :^)
[03:04] <JaneW> flint_: no carbon required, just electrons
[03:04] <JaneW> :P
[03:04] <ogra> JaneW, 15:03 ?
[03:04] <ogra> do we close the meeting ? 
[03:04] <JaneW> yes I'd better off
[03:04] <flint_> jane, you get the "lotr" login screen issue?
[03:04] <JaneW> anyone want to volunteer to put a meeting summary up?
[03:05] <JaneW> I am not keeping up with that
[03:05] <ogra> flint_, what is the lotr issue ? 
[03:05] <ogra> JaneW, i'll try
[03:05] <JaneW> I can try later, but I'll be out for a bit
[03:05] <JaneW> ogra: pref not you....
[03:05] <ogra> heh...
[03:05] <JaneW> I'll do it later rather
[03:05] <JaneW> thanks for the offer
[03:05] <JaneW> but I;d rather make more efficient use of your time
[03:06] <JaneW> I'm off to Mark's old school
[03:06] <flint_> the lotr login issue is that the current login screen is black with a big white login dialog box and nothing else
[03:06] <JaneW> ogra: can that be changed?
[03:06] <ogra> JaneW, with my patches to ltsp from august....
[03:06] <ogra> mdz hasnt reviewed them yet
[03:07] <JaneW> ogra: ok, I'll 'badger' him again
[03:07] <JaneW> although I suspect he is part of a gorwing list of ppl who have grown to ignore my nagging...
[03:07] <ogra> JaneW, but i'd like to have some user feedback too... thats why i gave out the url to the .tgz file
[03:07] <flint_> the overall look in a classroom is as if you have several dosen eyes of sauron staring at you.
[03:08] <flint_> thus for lack of a better term i call this the lotr login screen, and it is a bug.
[03:08] <ogra> flint_, try my tgz, follow the install instructions... and you have a gdm-ish looking login screen thats fully themeable
[03:08] <flint_> put a brackground on it (any background) and you got a fix...
[03:09] <flint_> you got it my man ollie... death to sauron!
[03:09] <ogra> heh
[03:09] <flint_> btw jane I listen to your nagging... :^)
[03:09] <JaneW> flint_: thanks :)
[03:10] <JaneW> bye
[03:10] <flint_> ok we all got things to do.  I am out of here!
[03:10] <flint_> thanks to everyone.
[03:10] <ogra> bye
[03:10] <flint_> bye
[11:34] <pef> hi
[11:46] <\sh> hi pef
[11:47] <ajmitch> everyone ready for the meeting then?
[11:48] <\sh> lets w8 those 12 mins
[11:58] <ajmitch> ok, 2 minutes
[11:59] <ajmitch> hopefully people are alive
[11:59] <sistpoty> yep ;)
[11:59] <\sh> Day changed to 08 Sep 2005
[11:59] <ajmitch> ogra: that's ok, the inmates can run the meeting :)
[12:00] <\sh> if nobody complains, then I will drink a beer during meeting
[12:00] <slomo> \sh: you're allowed when you give me one too ;)
[12:01] <\sh> slomo: hepp
[12:01] <sistpoty> . \sh prost! (got one open already)
[12:01] <\sh> sistpoty: cheers dude :)
[12:01] <\sh> ajmitch: u said 10am?
[12:01] <ajmitch> yes
[12:01] <\sh> too late for a beer ,-)
[12:02] <sistpoty> hehe