[12:06] <\sh> got it
[12:06] <\sh> wow
[12:06] <\sh> fixed...
[12:07] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:08] <\sh> Nafallo: if you have time tomorrow, please test it ,-)
[12:09] <Nafallo> \sh: you mean... running kde on my laptop? :-P
[12:09] <Nafallo> \sh: or just build? ;-)
[12:09] <\sh> Nafallo: running kwave on your laptop only...after that remove ,-)
[12:09] <\sh> no...testing ,-)
[12:09] <\sh> uploaded just now
[12:09] <Nafallo> and how many tons of kde-crap will that give me? :-)
[12:10] <\sh> not much
[12:10] <\sh> kdelibs, kdemultimedia, kcontrol and kdebase ,-)
[12:10] <Nafallo> gaah
[12:11] <Nafallo> I hope it's able to run inside a pbuilder ;-)
[12:11] <\sh> and qt ,-)
[12:11] <\sh> dchroot
[12:11] <Nafallo> nope
[12:11] <Nafallo> pbuilder
[12:11] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:11] <\sh> with X display?
[12:11] <Nafallo> that's the part that needs fixing ;-)
[12:11] <\sh> u see ,-)
[12:12] <Nafallo> so if I successfully fix that tomorrow, I can try ;-)
[12:12] <\sh> ok..so I can go happy to bed ... kwave compiled..,-)
[12:13] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:13] <Nafallo> \sh: you will have to rewrite pyicq-t to something that works first ;-)
[12:15] <\sh> hehe.
[12:15] <\sh> Nafallo: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/94-Thinking-about-the-future.html <- take a look ,-)
[12:15] <Nafallo> \sh: again? :-)
[12:15] <\sh> oh u have ;-)
[12:15] <\sh> so u know now what I'm upto ,-)
[12:16] <Nafallo> \sh: ehm... you know, we talked about that? :-)
[12:16] <Nafallo> \sh: and I'm second on that breezy+1goal :-)
[12:16] <\sh> yes...but this goes further ;)
[12:16] <Nafallo> \sh: than the worlddomination we had in mind? ;-)
[12:16] <\sh> it means world domination ,-)
[12:17] <Nafallo> lol
[12:17] <\sh> get the cd, register with launchpad, phone for free and jabber everyone *g*
[12:17] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:17] <slomo> \sh: will we get a ubuntu jabber server? ;)
[12:17] <Nafallo> with pymsg-t for parents :-P
[12:18] <Nafallo> slomo: that's MOTUIM breezy+1goal indeed :-)
[12:18] <\sh> slomo: well...nobody knows...but it's a plan...
[12:18] <\sh> with the start of @ubuntu.com mail addresses
[12:18] <\sh> why not
[12:19] <slomo> hehe... would be perfect :)
[12:19] <\sh> something like google talk ,-)
[12:19] <Nafallo> dotUbuntu :-)
[12:19] <slomo> \sh: but with s2s support :P
[12:19] <Nafallo> google talk haven't got SIP and e-mail? ;-)
[12:19] <\sh> slomo: yes...but to servers which sign the coc ,-)
[12:19] <Nafallo> lol
[12:19] <slomo> lol
[12:19] <\sh> Nafallo: google talk will have sip signalling someday
[12:20] <\sh> Nafallo: but we will be faster and using already established techniques ,-)
[12:20] <Nafallo> \sh: but we will have it before them? :-)
[12:20] <ajmitch> @ubuntu.com addresses are for members only, though :)
[12:20] <Nafallo> as said ;-)
[12:21] <ajmitch> Nafallo: \sh  was saying about any user
[12:21] <\sh> ajmitch: ok...lets say @user.ubuntu.com ,-)
[12:21] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hmm, we rather forgot the fact you mentioned ;-)
[12:21] <\sh> i mean it doesn't matter....
[12:21] <ajmitch> yeah :)
[12:21] <\sh> ajmitch: but we need at least alpha and beta testers so it's a good start ,-)
[12:22] <ajmitch> \sh: something like that would rock though
[12:22] <ajmitch> have tight server integration with launchpad :)
[12:22] <ajmitch> using the teams there
[12:22] <\sh> ajmitch: the first step will be http://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/AuthServer
[12:23] <ajmitch> ah yes
[12:23] <\sh> sorry https
[12:23] <ajmitch> when did they open the launchpad wiki, btw?
[12:23] <ajmitch> I had a read through it recently
[12:23] <\sh> and team integration can be done via shared roster in jabber
[12:23] <ajmitch> ok
[12:24] <\sh> but I have to read a bit more about launchpad databases and stuff like this
[12:24] <siretart> hm. AuthServer sounds interesting for revu...
[12:24] <\sh> anyways it's just an idea and it's not an easy goal
[12:24] <\sh> means, we will have more then one release cycle for this
[12:25] <ajmitch> pity no real source code came out of it
[12:25] <\sh> ajmitch: it's difficult to have a real single sign on..
[12:25] <ajmitch> \sh: it's a worthy breezy+1 goal
[12:26] <ajmitch> to have this jabber+launchpad
[12:26] <\sh> ajmitch: lycos europe did it with a propietary IM
[12:26] <Nafallo> ajmitch: jabber+launchpad+shtoom+gnome-about-me=dotUbuntu :-)
[12:26] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yep
[12:27] <\sh> ajmitch: if there is an API to auth mechs from and to LP it should be easy to integrate it everywhere
[12:27] <ajmitch> after awhile the UI can be integrated more, also
[12:27] <ajmitch> rather than disjoint apps
[12:28] <\sh> ajmitch: the idea is also, to merge shtoom + gajim == python rocking SIP/XMPP Client ,-)
[12:28] <ajmitch> mmmm
[12:28] <ajmitch> google talk for linux ;)
[12:29] <\sh> ajmitch: google talk im client is closed source
[12:29] <slomo> but better than google talk :P
[12:29] <ajmitch> \sh: I know that
[12:29] <\sh> anyhow...actually I'm sleeping and dreaming ,-) so I go to bed :)
[12:29] <slomo> gn8 \sh :)
[12:30] <Nafallo> \sh: gnight, and good thinking :-)
[12:30] <mbreit> gn8 \sh
[12:30] <\sh> cu guys and again: congrats to the new MOTUS and ajmitch welcome to main :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> \sh: thanks :)
[12:30] <Nafallo> anyway, goodnight all :-)
[12:34] <slomo> ok, gn8 everybody :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> whoah that wouldnt be a ghc6 upload i see
[12:39] <ajmitch> Lathiat: another one
[12:39] <Lathiat> more curious if it means we're getting somewhere :)
[12:39] <ajmitch> Lathiat: nope, build failed of course
[12:40] <Lathiat> yeh but i guess it might get some love then :)
[12:40] <Lathiat> no? :)
[12:40] <ajmitch> we hope so
[12:41] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[12:41] <ajmitch> lamont__: I think you have to force install of an old ghc6 & libgmp3, to get a new ghc6 built
[12:41] <ajmitch> I think.. :)
[12:48] <lamont__> ajmitch: I have the new ghc6 built.  now I'm just trying to get it built and uploaded.
[12:48] <ajmitch> great
[12:48] <ogra> ajmitch, when did you see metallikop around the last time ?
[12:48] <ajmitch> ogra: long time ago now..
[12:48] <ogra> you
[12:49] <ogra> yup even
[12:49] <ogra> nah
[12:49] <ogra> i just looked and he did exactly one upload for breezy
[12:49] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[12:49] <ogra> yup
[12:50] <ajmitch> I guess we have a few people that will lose interest or not have time
[12:50] <ogra> yup
[12:51] <ogra> i'll mail him anyway to add his data to launchpad... at least he's in the uploaer keyring
[12:51] <ajmitch> 18:28 < metallikop> got a new job so I haven't been that active at all.
[12:51] <ajmitch> that was back in may
[12:52] <lamont__> ajmitch: so with the new data-center-built ghc6t installed in the chroot, I get to rebuild happy and haddock, and then I think I can build ghc6 :-)
[12:53] <ajmitch> great, sounds like we owe you a beer or something :)
[12:59] <Lathiat> so if i add a uid to my gpg key
[12:59] <Lathiat> it says [ unknown]  instead fo [ultimate]  which i assume is trust, how do i change that
[01:00] <Lathiat> with ownertrust?
[01:01] <ajmitch> iirc, yes
[01:01] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:01] <Lathiat> perhaps not
[01:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you have to make it to UBZ so that you can get autographs^Wkey signatures
[01:01] <Lathiat> perhaps i need to sign that uid
[01:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh
[01:02] <Lathiat> its a shame i lost my old key i had a few good people on that
[01:02] <Lathiat> better to be safe than sorry :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> yep
[01:04] <ajmitch> oh, and make sure you have your revocation certificate stored separately away somewhere :)
[01:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> Lathiat: got progress on ipac-ng?
[01:12] <lamont__> ghc4515.hc:(.text+0x2ae9e): undefined reference to `__stginit_ControlziMonadziWriter_'
[01:12] <lamont__> well, that sucks
[01:22] <Lathiat> ajmitch: so for dpatch
[01:22] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i include patch and
[01:22] <Lathiat> add the various patch targets to the thingies
[01:25] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:25] <Lathiat> ok how do i tell if this is the older or newer debhelper
[01:25] <ajmitch> make sure you have unpatch
[01:25] <Lathiat> (the examples ahve dh and dh.new
[01:25] <ajmitch> uh?
[01:25] <ajmitch> dh.new, I guess
[01:27] <Lathiat> ok think i got it
[01:27] <lamont__> ajmitch: no ghc6 love today.
[01:27] <lamont__> haddock is ftbfs
[01:27] <ajmitch> :(
[01:28] <ajmitch> hm, where do bugs that I'm watching in malone show up? certainly not on the assigned bugs list for me
[01:33] <lamont__> ajmitch: (or anyone else) - if you want to work on fixing haddock, just add: "deb people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ghc6 /" to your sources.list, and you should be able to reproduce the FTBFS...
[01:36] <ajmitch> fetching now
[01:38] <ajmitch> lamont__: your Packages file there is broken
[01:38] <lamont__> grumble
[01:38] <ajmitch> it has apt-ftparchive usage info :)
[01:40] <lamont__> ajmitch: works for me. :-)
[01:41] <ajmitch> yep, looks fine now, fetching ghc6
[01:41] <lamont__> after I fixed it, of course
[01:41] <lamont__> oops.  time to flee
[02:15] <Lathiat> ajmitch: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ipac-ng.debdiff
[02:23] <bddebian> Damn Lathiat, busy at it already eh? ;-)
[02:27] <bddebian> Can't we just ban highvoltage? :-)
[02:28] <chillywilly> oh wow
[02:28] <chillywilly> Sept. 10th is Software Freedom Day
[02:29] <bddebian> Heh
[02:29] <bddebian> So how did I become an administrator for MOTU for LP?
[02:31] <ogra> bddebian, we all are admins there
[02:31] <bddebian> ogra: I see that.  Is there some significance?
[02:31] <ogra> not really...
[02:31] <bddebian> Heh, and here I was feeling special :-)
[02:32] <chillywilly> bddebian: you'll always be special to me ;)
[02:32] <bddebian> chillywilly: ;-P
[02:32] <ogra> you are in the ubuntu-dev team :) thats special... lots of MOTUs arent
[02:32] <ogra> i just sent out a mass mail...
[02:32] <bddebian> ogra: Apparently only because they are lazy.. ;-P
[02:32] <ogra> heh
[02:32] <bddebian> How do I know when/if I have upload rights?
[02:33] <ogra> ask elmo :)
[02:33] <bddebian> Oh no
[02:33] <ogra> you mailed keyring@ ?
[02:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[02:33] <ogra> like the Uploads wikipage says ?
[02:34] <bddebian> Well I'm whitelisted, is that different?
[02:34] <ogra> yup
[02:34] <chillywilly> I'm all out of beer... :(
[02:34] <ogra> one is the keyring, one is for breezy-changes
[02:35] <ogra> or *-changes rather
[02:35] <bddebian> chillywilly: d00d :'-(
[02:39] <ogra> heh, everybody is it seems
[02:39] <bddebian> :-)
[02:39] <ogra> but there is no need to :)
[02:40] <bddebian> I'm kidding.
[03:20] <ajmitch> Lathiat: cool thanks, will look over it
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya Mr. Main :-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> either use Mr. Mitchell, or Sir ;)
[03:22] <bddebian> Yes Sir, Mr. Mitchell Sir. ;-P
[03:30] <bmonty> evening your sirness
[03:30] <bmonty> ...and bddebian
[03:30] <bddebian> Heh, heya bmonty
[03:31] <bmonty> how's it going?
[03:32] <bddebian> Fair to midland. You?
[03:33] <bmonty> got some new bruises, flag football started tonight :)
[03:33] <bddebian> bruises from flag football? ;-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> hi bmonty
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya rbelem
[03:34] <bmonty> some folks have a hard time learning the difference between flag and real football
[03:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: The meeting is 22:00 tomorrow?
[03:34] <rbelem> hi bddebian ;-)
[03:34] <bddebian> bmonty: :-)
[03:34] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:34] <rbelem> hi all
[03:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: yep
[03:36] <ajmitch> 22:00 UTC
[03:37] <bmonty> if I install gcc-4.0 shouldn't it install the C++ compiler?
[03:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Shix, that is really a bad time :-(
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: fine for me :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: no, why would it?
[03:38] <bddebian> bmonty: apt-get install build-essential :-)
[03:38] <ajmitch> you'd want g++-4.0 for that
[03:39] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, I thought that the gcc package would pull that in for me...build-essential did the trick
[03:39] <bmonty> that is one of those things you do once a long time ago and forget about :(
[03:39] <bddebian> looking at bugs on Malone is a PITA
[03:39] <ajmitch> build-essential will always be on a chroot or pbuilder
[03:40] <bmonty> yeah, that is why my pbuilder worked without problems
[03:42] <ajmitch> hey bradb
[03:42] <bradb> hey ajmitch
[03:43] <ajmitch> bradb: is there a list where watched bugs show up?
[03:43] <ajmitch> since I only see assigned bugs on malone, not ones I'm watching
[03:43] <bradb> ajmitch: The "watch" subscription is going away.
[03:43] <ajmitch> ok
[03:43] <ajmitch> CC: bugs will show, or not yet?
[03:44] <ajmitch> fyi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMaloneUsage - make any suggestions you think are worthwhile :)
[03:44] <bradb> ajmitch: There's no way to list bugs you're Cc'd to, but that's an interesting idea.
[03:44] <ajmitch> right
[03:44] <bradb> ajmitch: Will you miss "Watch" if it goes away, btw?
[03:44] <ajmitch> because I'd like to leave universe bugs assigned to MOTU team
[03:45] <ajmitch> so that followups & activity go to the universe-bugs list
[03:45] <ajmitch> currently I'm only watching one bug :)
[03:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: bradb is Malone expert?
[03:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: bradb is malone developer
[03:46] <bddebian> Wow, nice bradb
[03:46] <bradb> all your bugs are belong to me
[03:46] <bradb> :P
[03:46] <ajmitch> bradb: we've seen it come a long way,  it's looking nice
[03:46] <bddebian> :-)
[03:46] <bradb> heh
[03:46] <bradb> ajmitch: that's good to hear from you guys
[03:47] <bddebian> Any thoughts on main bugs in Malone?  I'm looking at two more. :-(
[03:47] <ajmitch> we'll start filing the feature requests, like complex queries, saving searches, etc :)
[03:47] <bradb> ajmitch: currently only watching one bug...that's an interesting observation
[03:47] <ajmitch> bradb: I've not been using malone too much
[03:47] <ajmitch> and we're trying to sort out policies for using it in universe
[03:48] <bradb> bddebian: What about main bugs in Malone? Are they already there and you're wondering what to do with them, or are you wondering when main bugs can start being filed in Malone?
[03:48] <bradb> ajmitch: right
[03:48] <bddebian> bradb: Several are already there.  I have 3 open atm.
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: how we use malone, is up to us
[03:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: bugs in malone itself, are bradb territory
[03:49] <bddebian> I know but no-one else gives me any answers except you and I'm tired of bothering your poor ass ;-)
[03:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's because few other MOTUs seriously use malone
[03:50] <ajmitch> bradb: any news on the email interface, for things like mass-filing?
[03:50] <ajmitch> bradb: we discussed it a little at UDU, things like big library transitions
[03:50] <bradb> bddebian: Your main bugs spilling over into Malone is part of a secret conspiracy to get more and more main maintainers using Malone.
[03:50] <ajmitch> there's also neat features in debbugs now, like usertags and bugs blocking others
[03:51] <bradb> bddebian: You could actually re-file the bug in Bugzilla and "watch" it from Malone, but I'm trying to think of what would give you the inspiration to want to do that.
[03:51] <ajmitch> bradb: main developers don't watch malone much yet
[03:51] <ajmitch> they want all their bugs they care about in 1 place
[03:52] <bradb> ajmitch: Have you seen https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc ?
[03:52] <bradb> ajmitch: right, i can imagine
[03:52] <ajmitch> after a bit more usage of malone, I've come up with a few of these things I want :)
[03:53] <ajmitch> so that we can move away from using the wiki for organising such things
[03:53] <bradb> whoa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList seems to have grown since I last looked
[03:54] <ajmitch> ah, that's the place for me to add stuff..
[03:54] <ajmitch> unless you want them filed in malone itself?
[03:55] <bradb> Filing in Malone seems appropriate, if you have a more concrete suggestion.
[03:55] <ajmitch> certainly
[03:55] <bradb> Which you probably often do.
[03:55] <ajmitch> I'll spend some time in the weekend writing up some suggestions then
[03:56] <ajmitch> anything to streamline our workflow is good :)
[03:57] <bddebian> bradb: I tried that and go in trouble.  I "moved" few bugs to bugzilla yesterday.
[03:57] <bradb> 1.0 is just around the corner, so the more you guys can tell us about what you'd like, and what will make you really happy with Malone, the smoother that transition can be.
[03:57] <bddebian> s/go/got/
[03:57] <bradb> bddebian: What kind of trouble?
[03:58] <ajmitch> bradb: they were bazaar bugs
[03:58] <ajmitch> filed against ubuntu bazaar, so bddebian closed them on malone
[04:00] <bradb> This kind of confusion might be hard to avoid in the time period leading up to the transition. Probably not worth you guys spending much time on worrying about it. If you want to keep everything in Bugzilla, re-filing it in bugzilla and rejecting the bug in Malone with a message like "main bug moved into bugzilla" is probably an ok thing to do.
[04:01] <bddebian> Transition of what?  If everything is moving to Malone, I might as well leave them eh?
[04:01] <bradb> ajmitch: Feel free to pimp the email UI to other MOTUers if you like it. It hasn't had a lot of user testing yet.
[04:02] <ajmitch> bradb: so the email UI is active now?
[04:02] <bradb> bddebian: yes, you could leave them in Malone. (transition == main grandfathering the bugzilla instance, and going full-steam-ahead with Malone.)
[04:02] <bradb> ajmitch: yes
[04:03] <ajmitch> it accepts multiple commands per line, I assume?
[04:03] <ajmitch> bah
[04:03] <ajmitch> per email
[04:03] <bradb> yes
[04:03] <ajmitch> great
[04:04] <ajmitch> how about the xml-rpc or equivalant interface? any progress on that front?
[04:04] <bradb> not yet. that's a while off yet, i think
[04:04] <bradb> we want to focus on the interface you can *see* at the moment :)
[04:05] <ajmitch> understandable :)
[04:05] <ajmitch> I see on https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterface there is a mode for editing multiple bugs in one email
[04:06] <bradb> I've drawn a bullseye around the idea of people blogging about how smoothly the Malone UI Just Works.
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Feel like uploading while we're talking? ;-)
[04:06] <bradb> ajmitch: Yes, all kinds of stunts are possible. ;)
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: maybe ;)
[04:06] <ajmitch> bradb: ok, great
[04:07] <bradb> heh
[04:07] <ajmitch> hopefully we'll get to meet again at UBZ in november
[04:07] <ajmitch> and talk about some of this there
[04:07] <bradb> ajmitch: I live in Montreal. Will you be at UBZ?
[04:07] <ajmitch> hoping to get sponsored
[04:07] <bradb> ah, cool
[04:08] <ajmitch> yeah, since I live in NZ it might be a challenge
[04:08] <bradb> ajmitch: What are you pimping?
[04:08] <jsgotangco> grooviness
[04:08] <ajmitch> general MOTUness, mono, selinux stuff
[04:09] <ajmitch> my main targets at the moment :)
[04:09] <jsgotangco> are we aiming selinux for +1?
[04:09] <bradb> ajmitch: Good luck, it'd be great to have you here.
[04:09] <ajmitch> I think some command line scripts to handle common bug tasks via email might be in order
[04:10] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I'll certainly try
[04:10] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: it's in better shape in debian now
[04:10] <jsgotangco> in sid?
[04:10] <ajmitch> yep
[04:11] <ajmitch> more core apps (coreutils, dpkg, etc) are patched to use selinux
[04:11] <jsgotangco> selinux would be ideal for a 5 year support scheme
[04:11] <ajmitch> the main one I'm waiting on is PAM
[04:11] <ajmitch> since debian's version trails upstream by a few versions
[04:11] <ajmitch> and the current redhat patches are in upstream now
[04:12] <ajmitch> I'd need to backport that mess into pam 0.76, which just didn't happen for breezy
[04:12] <jsgotangco> fedora still leads on this regard right?
[04:12] <ajmitch> yes
[04:12] <ajmitch> redhat employs a few people just for selinux
[04:12] <ajmitch> and fedora is their playground
[04:12] <jsgotangco> ahh that's understandable
[04:13] <ajmitch> they get stuff stablised there before it gets into RHEL
[04:17] <jsgotangco> well you can always use ubuntu as your playground and sell your selinux verison =)
[04:17] <bddebian> hehe
[04:19] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, are you speaking in LCA?
[04:19] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: nah
[04:20] <ajmitch> hopefully russell coker will come over from .au
[04:20] <ajmitch> he's a good sort, one of the RH employees
[04:21] <jsgotangco> RH has an office in brisbane right?
[04:21] <Lathiat> they do?
[04:22] <jsgotangco> i know they have an office somewhere in au
[04:23] <ajmitch> yeah, they do
[04:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: looking at endeavour debdiff
[04:23] <ajmitch> that was a nice & simple one to look at..
[04:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: You ROCK
[04:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Reject bug #911?
[04:25] <bddebian> Looks like UTS problem to me
[04:26] <ajmitch> uh, that's not quite coherent :)
[04:26] <bddebian> The bug or my comment? :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> the bug
[04:27] <ajmitch> looks to be a bug in ttf-indic-fonts
[04:27] <bddebian> Looks like PBKAC ;-)
[04:28] <ajmitch> since it's the postinst for that package which was choking dpkg
[04:28] <ajmitch> that package is in main
[04:28] <bddebian> Grrr
[04:29] <ajmitch> so it could be NOTABUG :)
[04:31] <bddebian> Is libffi4-dev a replacement for libffi2-dev?  I don't see a Replaces: ?
[04:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: you don't just add in a Replaces for lib packages
[04:33] <ajmitch> since the API probably changed, and the ABI definitely changed
[04:33] <bddebian> Well I meant I don't see a replacement with apt-get -d install :-)
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, because you shouldn't  :)
[04:35] <ajmitch> packages have to be updated to use libffi4
[04:35] <ajmitch> like ctypes
[04:35] <ajmitch> which I am working on
[04:35] <bddebian> Gah, I was just workingon that damn you :-)
[04:35] <ajmitch> sorry
[04:35] <ajmitch> I already built a package & am testing it
[04:35] <bddebian> Are you doing it for UnmetDeps or for bug 1827 or both?
[04:35] <ajmitch> I didn' spot it on the wiki, just on malone
[04:36] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[04:36] <ajmitch> well it's the same problem :P
[04:36] <ajmitch> so it's obviously both
[04:36] <ajmitch> if you saw universe-bugs, you would have seen me take it :)
[04:36] <bmonty> it would be a PITA, but wouldn't it be nice if all the unmet deps were in Malone?
[04:36] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes, we talked about that
[04:36] <bddebian> I meant where did you see it and you already answered that :-)
[04:37] <ajmitch> it's one of our goals for using malone
[04:37] <ajmitch> all transitions, etc should be in one place
[04:37] <bmonty> and hopefully in a better format than the wiki provides :)
[04:37] <ajmitch> malone would give us nice searchable lists, etc
[04:38] <ajmitch> and if the malone crew implement things like bug X blocks/depends bug Y, then even better
[04:38] <bddebian> Aye and a better way to see who is already doing them since SOME people don't update the wikis ;-P
[04:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: get over it
[04:38] <ajmitch> :P
[04:40] <bmonty> what was the rationale for starting from scratch with Malone...why not the Debian BTS or sticking with Bugzilla?
[04:43] <Lathiat> malone is much more than just a basic bug tracker
[04:43] <Lathiat> its designed to track bugs accross multiple distributions, be integrated with bazaar etc, and integrated into launchpad as a whole
[04:43] <Lathiat> thats the plan anyway
[04:43] <bmonty> makes sense
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you know if gpib was dropped from Ubuntu?
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:46] <tritium> heya bddebian
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did the endeavour diff apply?  dholbach had a problem with one of my earlier patches apparently
[04:47] <ajmitch> applied fine
[04:47] <ajmitch> haven't uploaded yet
[04:48] <bddebian> NP, thx, just wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing something up again :-)
[04:48] <bddebian> WTF is libglu-dev-xorg?
[04:48] <ajmitch> old
[04:49] <ajmitch> libglu1-mesa-dev now, iirc
[04:49] <bddebian> So that's libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev now?
[04:49] <bddebian> :-)
[04:49] <ajmitch> I think so
[05:04] <jtan325> to request a sync to debian, should I wait until the package is 100% in debian, or can I ask for one now?
[05:05] <ajmitch> jtan325: what do you mean, 100% in?
[05:05] <ajmitch> if it's not in the archive, you'd have to specify that
[05:05] <jtan325> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[05:05] <jtan325> mine is "conky"
[05:05] <ajmitch> jtan325: and would this be importing a new version into breezy?
[05:05] <jtan325> yes, brand-new package
[05:06] <ajmitch> uh..
[05:06] <ajmitch> I doubt that elmo will sync from the NEW queue
[05:06] <ajmitch> and breaking UVF yourself by importing a new package would generally be frowned upon
[05:07] <jtan325> sorry, i'm very n00bish, as you already know
[05:07] <jtan325> UVF?
[05:07] <Lathiat> jtan325: Upstream Version Freeze
[05:07] <jtan325> and this was just uploaded like yesterday
[05:07] <jtan325> i got a debian sponsor and the whole shebang
[05:07] <jtan325> a few weeks ago, when i asked should i upload to revu
[05:07] <jtan325> siretart said it'd probably be "easier" 9whatever that means) to just upload into debian
[05:08] <jtan325> and then ask him to request a sync
[05:08] <ajmitch> yes
[05:08] <jtan325> i have no idea waht's going on, so i just did that
[05:08] <ajmitch> but we're not automatically pulling in new versions
[05:08] <jtan325> fair enough
[05:08] <jtan325> so what're the steps from here?
[05:08] <jtan325> and what can I do?
[05:08] <ajmitch> wait for it to pass the NEW queue in debian
[05:09] <ajmitch> and we can look at syncing it then
[05:09] <jtan325> ok. thanks ajmitch
[05:09] <jtan325> slowly but surely, my first package ever is trucking along...
[05:09] <jtan325> and it's thanks to your guys' help
[05:10] <ajmitch> it's just that we're trying to get breezy stable for release, so introducing new packages can be a detriment :)
[05:10] <jtan325> of course, of course
[05:10] <jtan325> i'm hearing all sorts of stories about breezy....
[05:10] <ajmitch> I think it'll be ok, considering how much new crack we'll import with apt-get.org
[05:10] <jtan325> X is still broken?
[05:10] <jtan325> or something
[05:10] <ajmitch> no
[05:10] <ajmitch> X is fine
[05:10] <bmonty> yes, X is fine
[05:10] <ajmitch> I've seen no problems & I installed just recently
[05:11] <ajmitch> breezy is very stable & usable, I've found
[05:11] <jtan325> that's cool
[05:11] <jtan325> i hope nothing breaks when i upgrade
[05:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: BTW, pitti says he doesn't recall what replaces libpgtcl and doesn't really care about tcl :-)
[05:37] <Lathiat> does anyone care.. about tcl? :)
[05:38] <bddebian> Well not me but it does break a couple of other packages :-)
[05:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, I saw that in changelog
[05:40] <ajmitch> unmet deps list is coming down
[05:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: coming down?
[05:43] <ajmitch> the list is shrinking
[05:44] <bddebian> Ahh, beautiful :-)
[05:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: you enjoy winding people up?
[05:46] <ajmitch> 15:45  * bddebian whips out bzip2
[05:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sometimes :-)
[05:46] <bddebian> daniels just ignores me anyway :-)
[05:46] <ajmitch> I wonder why...
[05:48] <bddebian> Hey I asked him several times if there was any way I could help him.
[05:48] <bddebian> Look at bug 1859.  Seems bogus.  I don't see a wv-dev or wv1-dev package anywhere in Ubuntu or in Debian
[05:52] <bddebian> Hey, my karma is still only 70 :-(
[05:53] <ajmitch> it takes awhile to update
[05:53] <ajmitch> oh it's that seb
[05:53] <robitaille> you have to work harder at it :)
[05:53] <crimsun> I only see a 'wv'
[05:53] <bddebian> robitaille: :-)
[05:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: ????
[05:54] <robitaille> mine is at  265 and falling... (not enough work recently to maintain it)
[05:54] <ajmitch> crimsun: it should be libwv2-dev
[05:54] <crimsun> interesting
[05:54] <bddebian> Ahh, wv2
[05:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why are you running from that bug?
[05:55] <ajmitch> because I can
[05:56] <bddebian> Sep Payne <> seb128 I assume?
[05:56] <ajmitch> and there is no wv1, wv2 is probably not compatible, too late, so sad
[05:56] <crimsun> bddebian: no
[05:56] <ajmitch> seb128 = sebastien bacher
[05:56] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: You are a cold hearted bastard  ;-P
[05:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: you only just realised?
[05:58] <bddebian> Nah, I was being nice until I got MOTU.. ;-)
[05:58] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[05:58] <bddebian> j/k
[05:58] <bddebian> You're still my hero
[05:58] <bddebian> Doh
[05:59] <ajmitch> /dev/mapper/vg1-home   59G   56G  2.0G  97%
[05:59] <ajmitch> sigh
[05:59] <bddebian> Might as well, not like anyone will actually do anything with them unless I beg and plead
[05:59] <bddebian> Yikes
[05:59] <ajmitch> my ubuntu build scratch space is on there
[06:00] <ajmitch> so all the packages I've worked on are taking up room :)
[06:00] <bddebian> rm -rf ~/*
[06:00] <ajmitch> who wants to buy me a new hard drive? ;)
[06:00] <bddebian> I promise to try to send the other laptop this week, does that help any?? :-)
[06:01] <ajmitch> not particularly
[06:01] <bddebian> Hmm, I could maybe slip a bigger drive in there.  Is this the 1800 desktop?
[06:01] <ajmitch> I've already got a new laptop with a 40GB drive
[06:01] <ajmitch> just not sure if I have the space in the case for it
[06:01] <bddebian> well excuuuuse me :-)
[06:02] <ajmitch> perhaps I should get a sata2 card & drive
[06:04] <bddebian> perhaps I should take my old ass to bed
[06:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:04] <ajmitch> probably
[06:04] <ajmitch> so I'd have to go the whole way & get a new box
[06:04] <bddebian> Do you even still want the laptop since I have been such a lame-ass? :-(
[06:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: surely there's someone better to send it to?
[06:05] <ajmitch> like another MOTU?
[06:05] <bddebian> Well the keyboard is whacked but I'm certainly not opposed
[06:06] <bddebian> What about your current ac adapter?
[06:06] <ajmitch> I've already got 2 laptops in my room, and a semi-decent laptop
[06:06] <ajmitch> works ok, just needs the exposed wires covered
[06:06] <ajmitch> semi-decent desktop, that is
[06:14] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven!!
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hey dude! :)
[06:14] <ajmitch> long time no see, what's up?
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> ah ma, life has been so busy as of late
[06:14] <Unfrgiven> *man
[06:14] <ajmitch> yeah, I guessed
[06:14] <ajmitch> work?
[06:15] <Unfrgiven> i think im finally coming free of some stuff and can back onto ubuntu
[06:15] <ajmitch> great
[06:15] <Unfrgiven> work, yes and other personal commitments
[06:15] <ajmitch> preview release is in a couple of days, we want things to be nice & installable by then ;)
[06:15] <Unfrgiven> and finish my introv developer docs
[06:15] <ajmitch> yeah, they'd be great to see
[06:16] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i feel so bad that i havent been able to do more recently
[06:16] <Unfrgiven> but here i am :)
[06:16] <ajmitch> welcome back :)
[06:16] <Unfrgiven> thanx :)
[06:16] <ajmitch> we've got a few new MOTUs since you joined
[06:16] <ajmitch> another couple approved today
[06:20] <bddebian> Heya Unfrgiven
[06:20] <bddebian> Gnight folks. :-)
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: excellent. i have been reading the updates :)
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> bddebian:hi :) and bye :)
[06:21] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[06:29] <crimsun> I can't paste a clearsigned CoC in LP because my key's not added, but when I try to add my key, LP bombs.
[06:30] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:30] <ajmitch> how does it bomb on key adding?
[06:30] <ajmitch> I did it successfully last week
[06:30] <crimsun> (286, 1798, 1972)
[06:30] <crimsun> I paste my fingerprint, and LP gives me the system error dialogue
[06:31] <ajmitch> fun
[06:31] <crimsun> bug has been reported 3 times, so I presume it'll be fixed :)
[06:34] <robitaille> same here.  is it a private bug?
[06:34] <ajmitch> I guess so
[07:39] <niran> hmm... monopod didn't make it into universe?
[07:42] <ajmitch> niran: doesn't look like it did
[07:49] <robitaille> can it still make it?  I started playing with it using the tar ball, and it seems promising
[08:36] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:37] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:37] <dholbach> hey andrew
[08:37] <dholbach> fine... :)
[08:37] <dholbach> how is it going?
[08:37] <ajmitch> good :)
[08:37] <dholbach> what about some serious universe fixing today?
[08:38] <dholbach> today's a good day for that, isnt it? :)
[08:38] <ajmitch> so yeah, I can do some fixing
[08:38] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:38] <ajmitch> we've got a few bddebian patches to upload
[08:38] <ajmitch> he's doing more than the rest of us combined ;)
[08:38] <dholbach> absolutely
[08:38] <dholbach> morning doko_
[08:39] <ajmitch> hi doko_
[08:39] <ajmitch> dholbach: thanks for your support at the TB meeting :)
[08:40] <dholbach> man... you deserved it  -  you're longer here than i am :)
[08:40] <ajmitch> heh
[08:40] <ajmitch> but I've not done nearly as much as you have
[08:40] <Mithrandir> morning, people
[08:41] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[08:41] <dholbach> ajmitch: there's enough time to do something rocking :)
[08:41] <ajmitch> dholbach: sure
[08:42] <ajmitch> but I can only do this part-time at the moment :)
[08:46] <ajmitch> first I have to get some of my debian packages updated
[08:46] <ajmitch> & synced
[08:47] <ajmitch> as a couple are on the unmet deps list :)
[08:49] <dholbach> hehe :)
[08:50] <ajmitch> wxpython renames..
[08:53] <ajmitch> yay, bzr merges work again
[09:19] <ajmitch> I wonder where the ipac-ng upload went to
[09:19] <ajmitch> ah
[09:19] <ajmitch> I forgot this was a UVF breaker, needs -sa :)
[09:20] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:28] <Nafallo> ajmitch: progress_indicator = 2 ;-)
[09:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: doesn't change the fact that I still have to wait for it :)
[09:31] <ajmitch> 128Kbps isn't much for upstream
[09:32] <Nafallo> no, but you know it's not dead ;-)
[09:32] <ajmitch> oh I can see that by watching bandwidth graphs :)
[09:32] <ajmitch> seeing what flatmates I have to restrict
[09:32] <Nafallo> lol
[09:33] <ajmitch> some people here have a tendency to run bittorrent ;)
[09:33] <Nafallo> hmm, how did you know? ;-)
[09:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: you rock! new FUSA only just released & you have it in :)
[09:34] <dholbach> as ankur just gone astray.... i felt i'd do it for him :)
[09:34] <Nafallo> ajmitch: what about pre_upload_command and post_upload_command to give you all upload bandwidth temporarly? ;-)
[09:34] <ajmitch> Nafallo: the router is another box
[09:34] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ssh? :-)
[09:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: I talked to him a couple of hours aho
[09:35] <dholbach> wow
[09:35] <dholbach> cool
[09:35] <dholbach> UNFRGIVEN!!! :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> he said he's been real busy at work, but will be helping out here where he can :)
[09:35] <dholbach> nice to have him back
[09:35] <ajmitch> yep
[09:36] <ajmitch> ok, 2 packages uploaded to sid
[09:36] <ajmitch> 6 others to get packaged, fixed, and uploaded
[09:36] <dholbach> will do the g*mm stuff now
[09:36] <ajmitch> ok, cool
[09:37] <ajmitch> if anyone with upload privs has time, can they upload some debdiffs from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition ?
[09:39] <ajmitch> dholbach: you know that the email interface to malone works now?
[09:39] <dholbach> no idea
[09:39] <dholbach> bjornt works on it, right?
[09:39] <ajmitch> yep
[09:39] <ajmitch> bradb says it is working, and needs testing
[09:39] <dholbach> rock - will look at it later - smokers bof now ;)
[09:39] <ajmitch> haha
[09:48] <ajmitch> mm, storing all this as bzr branches is nice
[09:51] <pef> hi
[09:52] <Nafallo> ajmitch: storing all what? :-)
[09:52] <dholbach> hey pef
[09:52] <Nafallo> morning pef :-)
[09:52] <dholbach> pef: would you mind to update the MOTUGluTransition page to show what was already uploaded?
[09:53] <pef> dholbach: will do shortly
[09:53] <dholbach> pef: thank you :)
[09:55] <Nafallo> same for bddebian ;-)
[09:59] <pef> dholbach: done
[09:59] <dholbach> pef: rocking
[09:59] <dholbach> pef: will take care of what's left later on
[10:00] <pef> dholbach: maybe mention it on the wikipage to avoid duplicate work ?
[10:01] <dholbach> yeah, either the guy uploading or the guy fixing the package should make a note, right
[10:03] <pef> now I'm building openmsx, which I requested sync yesterday
[10:06] <pef> Nafallo: s/bddebian/bd-mud/
[10:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:07] <Nafallo> he should have changed to bdubuntu instead ;-)
[10:07] <pef> :D
[10:10] <robitaille> is it possible to get ipodder into breezy's universe?  It has made its entry recently into debian: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ipodder
[10:11] <robitaille> I guess I should fill a malone bug about it
[10:11] <dholbach> robitaille: is it buildable, works nice for you, makes no trouble - all in current breezy?
[10:12] <robitaille> dholbach,  haven't tried yet.  just read the weekly debian news email and it is mentionned in it :)
[10:13] <dholbach> well that's what we need to know :)
[10:14] <robitaille> dholbach,  I'll try to give it a try tomorrow.
[10:15] <dholbach> super, thank you
[10:15] <Nafallo> is there more stuff to fire-and-forget? ;-)
[10:17] <Gervystar> hi, has anyone tried to compile network-manager recently? It now has a broken dependancy on libcairo, but anyway fixing it manually the compile fails reporting something like "unknown d-bus version"
[10:25] <dholbach> Gervystar: which one?
[10:25] <dholbach> Gervystar: the one from REVU?
[10:26] <Gervystar> dholbach: i've tried the one you can get with apt-get source. Is there a newer one on REVU?
[10:26] <dholbach> Gervystar: j^ fixed a new version up on REVU - you might try this one
[10:26] <siretart> morning
[10:27] <siretart> ist it about network-manager?
[10:27] <Gervystar> dholbach: ok thanks, i'm gonna try it right now
[10:27] <dholbach> super
[10:27] <Nafallo> tseng uploaded NM from REVU, no?
[10:27] <siretart> Nafallo: not yet
[10:28] <siretart> Nafallo: nothing yet on breezy-changes
[10:28] <Nafallo> siretart: true. shall I upload?
[10:28] <siretart> Nafallo: I think the package passed all advocate checks, so I'd say: go for it
[10:28] <siretart> but if dholbach want to veto, he'd better be quick ;)
[10:29] <dholbach> how is the state of universe-main discussions about NM?
[10:29] <dholbach> that's all i care about
[10:29] <ajmitch> dholbach: main for breezy+!
[10:29] <dholbach> if you say "it works better", i trust your judgement
[10:29] <ajmitch> universe until then, afaik
[10:29] <dholbach> and they like the version of j^ too?
[10:30] <dholbach> if that's really ok for them, it's ok for me
[10:30] <siretart> dholbach: diziet does not want to have nm using bind9, which j^ package is using and upstream prefers
[10:30] <siretart> dholbach: diziet had no objections in having j^'s package in universe
[10:30] <dholbach> super
[10:31] <dholbach> go ahead then
[10:31] <pef> does this command works rightly ? (update gl transitions remaining packages to fix) curl -s http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/{main,universe}/source/Sources.gz | gunzip - -|grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends xlibmesa-gl-dev - -sPackage,Build-Depends| awk '/Package/ {print $2}'
[10:31] <pef> I think yes, but I want to be sure
[10:32] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:32] <ajmitch> DB000:  VersionError: wxversion.select() must be called before wxPython is imported
[10:50] <pef> can someone check my debdiff for gl transition ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/MOTUGLUTransition/
[10:51] <Nafallo> pef: sure
[10:52] <pef> cool
[11:16] <\sh> moins
[11:16] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:17] <\sh> morning dholbach :)
[11:17] <dholbach> pef: coin and coin2 seem to be already uploaded
[11:17] <dholbach> pef: how did you check the list?
[11:18] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:19] <pef> dholbach: you talk about the list of remaining packages or my list of debdiffs ?
[11:19] <dholbach> yep
[11:19] <pef> will do it now
[11:19] <Nafallo> dholbach: I'm currently uploading stuff for him :-)
[11:20] <Nafallo> gltron, iris, pong2 also done
[11:20] <Nafallo> openmsx in pbuilder
[11:21] <pef> wow
[11:21] <pef> very quick procedure :] 
[11:22] <pef> Nafallo: mail from katie : Rejected: Uploads to hoary are not accepted.
[11:22] <pef> for iris
[11:22] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:24] <Nafallo> pef: uploaded again for breezy :-)
[11:29] <\sh> Nafallo: gajim is now even registered as package for ubuntu in malone
[11:29] <pef> Nafallo: if you check openscenegraph I hope you have a good cpu :)
[11:32] <\sh> pef: compiling openscenegraph?
[11:32] <pef> \sh: yep
[11:32] <\sh> pef: hehe..it was my favorite :)
[11:32] <\sh> on a laptop its fun to compile it ;)
[11:37] <pef> motu meeting today, 22:00 UTC, don't forget :] 
[11:40] <Nafallo> \sh: I know :-)
[11:40] <Nafallo> \sh: I requested Rosetta imports and will bug Keybuk about HCT import later :-)
[11:40] <Nafallo> \sh: I've also chatted with the developers a bit ;-)
[11:41] <Nafallo> pef: compiling ;-)
[11:41] <\sh> Nafallo: yeah...they're quite nice and interessted :)
[11:41] <pef> Nafallo: after this "experience" I'm very interesting on distcc :D
[11:42] <Nafallo> \sh: I showed hawke your blog ;-)
[11:42] <Nafallo> pef: hehe
[11:42] <\sh> Nafallo: didn't he know?
[11:42] <Nafallo> \sh: dunno :-). I hadn't read all of it myself :-)
[11:43] <Nafallo> \sh: he did not want to add checkbox/radiobutton for use_gpg_agent btw.
[11:43] <Nafallo> \sh: and he adviced against using it as default :-P
[11:44] <\sh> Nafallo: well..the problem is, if the default is "no use of gpg agent" and you're running one, it won't work..
[11:44] <\sh> Nafallo: the experience comes from psi ;) and there is a cli switch
[11:44] <ivoks> hi
[11:45] <Nafallo> \sh: if you are not running on he promised things to crash ;-)
[11:45] <\sh> Nafallo: that's why I wanted to have those goodies as patch into gajim ;)
[11:47] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:47] <Nafallo> we should patch .glade and trigger that value
[11:48] <Nafallo> \sh: icq just died :-P
[11:48] <\sh> Nafallo: what? try to relogin
[11:49] <\sh> Nafallo: sometimes icq is kicking the connections :( but on serverside not transport side
[11:49] <Nafallo> baah
[11:49] <Nafallo> doesn't work :-P
[11:50] <ivoks> hm..
[11:50] <ivoks> will there be any problem if i generate new pair of gpg keys?
[11:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: apart from needing to get them signed?
[11:58] <ivoks> no problem for signing
[11:58] <ajmitch> then it should be ok
[11:58] <ivoks> ok
[11:58] <ajmitch> quite a few people have multiple keys
[11:58] <ivoks> i know
[11:59] <ivoks> grrr gnome-screensaver
[11:59] <ivoks> it starts every 5 minutes, wheter i do something or not :)
[12:00] <ogra> ivoks, why do you use it then ?
[12:00] <ivoks> i won't :)
[12:01] <pef> I have a question about a bug on the debian BTS and a package
[12:02] <ajmitch> pef: ask..
[12:05] <\sh> uh ah
[12:05] <\sh> I just managed it to change my company 3 times in less then 1 minute
[12:06] <ajmitch> \sh: ?
[12:06] <\sh> well...difficult
[12:08] <\sh> first of all: I was ish gmbh, then in 1 second I was employed at kabelnetz nrw verwaltungs gmbh, then kabelnetz nrw HoldCo GmbH (1 second) and now I'm employed at ish NRW (which was formally known as iesy services gmbh)
[12:08] <\sh> and everything is done via email without any further notification ;)
[12:09] <ajmitch> heh
[12:10] <pef> http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kboincspy/kboincspy_0.9.0-1ubuntu1/changelog here "Added nvidia-glx to Build-Conflicts, because it makes /usr/lib/libGL.so a dangling symlink (see: #208198).", and now this bug is closed, can I remove this conflict from the control file ? The package builds/works fine and
[12:11] <pef> and the package no longer makes /usr/lib/libGL.so a dandling link
[12:12] <ajmitch> do you need to make this change for a reason?
[12:12] <ajmitch> since it's easy to build using pbuilder
[12:12] <ajmitch> so you don't need to remove nvidia-glx from your system
[12:13] <pef> ajmitch: I just want to make this change with the gl transition changes
[12:13] <pef> I have removed the conflict from the control file, and all is ok
[12:14] <pef> so I ask if I should really remove the conflict
[12:14] <pef> :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> pef: might as well
[12:15] <pef> fix dangling libGL.so issue. nvidia-glx by itself will now
[12:15] <pef>      link to the diverted xlibmesa library (closes: #208198, #306533, #272438)
[12:15] <pef> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=208198
[12:15] <pef> removing the conflict sounds right :)
[12:25] <pef> delete nvidia-glx Build-Conflict (#208198 is closed)
[12:25] <pef> how should I mention that in the changelog ?
[12:25] <pef> like this ?
[12:26] <ivoks> finally :)
[12:27] <tseng> Nafallo: eh
[12:27] <tseng> Nafallo: i did, but it got lost
[12:28] <Nafallo> tseng: oki, I've uploaded it again earlier :-)
[12:29] <tseng> Nafallo: did it go somewhere?
[12:29] <ajmitch> ivoks: heh, well done ;)
[12:29] <Nafallo> tseng: haven't seen it on breezy-changes yet.
[12:30] <tseng> Nafallo: right..
[12:30] <ivoks> ajmitch: i totally forgot i could generate subkey for existing key :)
[12:30] <ajmitch> ivoks: aha :)
[12:31] <ivoks> now, i'm proposed to ubuntu development team
[12:31] <ajmitch> pef: I'd write it as 'Deleted nvidia-glx Build-Conflict (Closes: #208198)'
[12:31] <ajmitch> hm no
[12:31] <ivoks> i guess i should attend next TB for that
[12:31] <ajmitch> that's wrong
[12:32] <ajmitch> can't write Closes:, because it's not closing that bug :)
[12:32] <ivoks> Escapes:
[12:32] <ivoks> :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> :P
[12:32] <ajmitch> Closes: is for closing the bug in the BTS on upload
[12:33] <pef> ajmitch: #xx is closed, isn't right ?
[12:34] <ajmitch> I suppose it will suffice
[12:34] <ivoks>  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[12:34] <ivoks> ??
[12:34] <ivoks> i'm on a CC for that bug :)
[12:34] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kwave/0.7.3-3ubuntu3/kwave_0.7.3-3ubuntu3_20050907-1052-amd64-successful.gz
[12:34] <ajmitch> #xx is fixed would be better
[12:34] <\sh> STRIKE !!!! YAHOOOOO! !!!!
[12:34] <ajmitch> ivoks: yeah, malone still has issues
[12:34] <\sh> I finally made it
[12:34] <ajmitch> \sh: only ubuntu3? no patch dance this time? ;)
[12:35] <ivoks> \sh: congrats! :)
[12:35] <\sh> anyone who wants to test? on amd64? ;)
[12:35] <\sh> i really don't know if it works ;)
[12:35] <pef> ajmitch: ok, thank you :)
[12:36] <Nafallo> \sh: I'm talking use_gpg_agent autodetection with nkour :-)
[12:36] <\sh> Nafallo: he is a nice guy :)
[12:36] <\sh> Nafallo: he will say yes ;)
[12:36] <Nafallo> \sh: hawke suggested looking for ENV-variables
[12:37] <slomo> j^: were you the one who had problems with faad2 and for example the go open videos?
[12:38] <\sh> Nafallo: seahorse don't uses GPG_AGENT_INFO
[12:38] <\sh> it uses the direct socket in /tmkp
[12:38] <\sh>  tmp even
[12:38] <\sh> and seahorse doesn't use ,-)
[12:38] <\sh> damn grammar
[12:38] <Nafallo> \sh: SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK
[12:38] <\sh> thats ssh
[12:38] <\sh> ssh_agent
[12:38] <\sh> gpg is GPG_AGENT_INFO
[12:39] <Nafallo> \sh: hmm, tricker then
[12:39] <\sh>  The normal way to
[12:39] <\sh> # locate the agent is by looking at the environment variable
[12:39] <\sh> # GPG_AGENT_INFO which should have been set during gpg-agent startup.
[12:40] <\sh> seahorse modifies the .gnupg/gpg.conf directly at startup
[12:40] <\sh> and includes use-agent and gpg-agent-info /home/shermann/.gnome2/seahorse-AwUrCA/S.gpg-agent:6869:1
[12:40] <Nafallo> \sh: what about parsing .gnupg/gpg.conf and look for use-agent?
[12:40] <ogra> \sh, there is a reason it never entered gnome ;)
[12:41] <\sh> Nafallo: this failes if u use the normal gpg-agent ,-)
[12:41] <Nafallo> gaah
[12:41] <\sh> Nafallo: I mean....
[12:41] <\sh> normally u start the gpg-agent during XSession like the ssh agent
[12:41] <\sh> so seahorse is not state of art
[12:42] <Nafallo> I don't start ssh-agent in XSession ;-)
[12:42] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  616 2005-04-05 18:04 90xorg-common_ssh-agent
[12:42] <\sh> in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[12:42] <\sh> check
[12:44] <\sh> argll...15 to 1pm
[12:44] <\sh> I have to prepare food ;)
[12:44] <Nafallo> hmm, intresting ;-)
[12:44] <\sh> Nafallo: u have it ?
[12:44] <Nafallo> I've always thought it was started with ssh-add
[12:44] <Nafallo> yes
[12:45] <\sh> see...and the gpg agent will be started similar
[12:45] <\sh> but seahorse has the problem, that it is a keyring manager and gpg-agent-crap ,-)
[12:45] <\sh> instead of using the normal gpg-agent
[12:46] <Nafallo> pef: all up :-)
[12:46] <pef> :)
[12:46] <\sh> sorry...I'm coming back later...I have to take care of food stuff and that everything is ready when son is coming home :)
[12:47] <Nafallo> \sh: so we should figure something out and send a patch upstream when you're back ;-)
[12:47] <\sh> Nafallo: kicking seahorse, using official gpg-agent and checking env
[12:47] <Nafallo> \sh: tsss
[12:47] <\sh> but for that, we need a checkbox ,-)
[12:47] <\sh> or a cli switch like psi
[12:48] <Nafallo> \sh: we talk about this later dude :-)
[12:48] <Nafallo> \sh: you have to go ;-)
[12:48] <\sh> for psi: default is use gpg-agent and if you don't need it --no-gpg-agent
[12:48] <\sh> yeah...
[12:48] <\sh> bye
[01:13] <pef> debian/control::clean modifying debian/control oO
[01:13] <pef> dh_clean on a cdbs layout
[01:13] <pef> hum
[01:15] <ogra> heh
[01:16] <pef> DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL := yes, revert my modified control file
[01:17] <pef> how can I modify my control file without being corrected by this ?
[01:18] <ajmitch> control.in
[01:19] <pef> I read cdbs documentation, but I can't find an advantage to use this feature with my package
[01:20] <ajmitch> the only use that's really allowable is updating the Uploaders field
[01:22] <pef> erf
[01:42] <pef> config.{guess;sub} should not be included in upstream tarball, right ?
[01:43] <ajmitch> pef: we would not rebuild an upstream tarball for something like that
[01:45] <pef> ajmitch: just for theory :) it should be copied a configure time from /usr/share/misc, no ?
[01:45] <pef> s/a/at/
[01:45] <ajmitch> yes
[01:45] <ajmitch> but you can copy them over the upstream version when building
[01:45] <pef> for clean diff :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> just don't do it in the clean target, as it messes up debdiffs :)
[01:45] <pef> exactly what I have hehe
[01:53] <pef> ajmitch: orig diff.gz contains autotools stuff :/
[01:53] <pef> mc
[01:54] <ajmitch> fun
[02:26] <Mithrandir> what's the procedure for stuff in bugzilla which isn't in main?  Just close it?
[02:26] <ajmitch> yes, if possible put it on malone
[02:27] <Mithrandir> does malone have debbugs import yet?
[02:27] <ajmitch> not import, just bug watching
[02:27] <Mithrandir> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14707 is the bug.
[02:27] <Mithrandir> I don't think it even affects us
[02:28] <ajmitch> people still use gpm?
[02:28] <Mithrandir> 'pperently
[02:30] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, foe serial mice detection
[02:30] <ajmitch> doesn't look like it affects us
[02:30] <ajmitch> seems it was only a conffile long before ubuntu was around
[02:30] <Mithrandir> it wasn't ever a conffile
[02:30] <Mithrandir> anyway, closed
[02:31] <ajmitch> ok
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya
[03:27] <ajmitch> morning
[03:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you do my GL/GLU transitions?
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: delegation is great, I asked some others to do some GL debdiff uploads for you ;)
[03:28] <bddebian> Ahh. Thx
[03:29] <ajmitch> I worked on my debian packages instead
[03:29] <ajmitch> aren't I selfish?
[03:29] <bddebian> :-)
[03:29] <ajmitch> only 5 more to go
[03:30] <ajmitch> spplus is being a pain
[03:30] <ajmitch> or more correctly, php-config is
[03:33] <bddebian> Nice
[03:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: You mean only 5 GL/GLU transitions left?
[03:34] <bddebian> Should I get some type of response back from keyring@... to know that my key was accepted/rejected?
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[03:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I mean 5 of my own debian packages left to update
[03:34] <\sh> re
[03:35] <\sh> boah guys its hot in germany
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: pfft ;-)
[03:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: they require a bit more work :)
[03:35] <bddebian> \sh: Sorry to hear that man.  It's finally been nice here for the last few days.
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well, if they had a decent maintainer... ;-P
[03:35] <\sh> i played now half an hour of football and I'm finished for this day
[03:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, the maintainer sucks, he should be kicked out of debian
[03:36] <bddebian> hehe
[03:36] <ogra> \sh, bah only 28
[03:37] <ajmitch> and if he had the gall to try & work on ubuntu..
[03:37] <\sh> ogra: but the sun is burning my brains out
[03:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: *lol*
[03:37] <ogra> \sh, your branins ? how many do you have ? :)
[03:37] <\sh> ogra: 2 u know one in da head the other well...
[03:37] <ogra> lol
[03:38] <ogra> but the second is a place wher the sun doesnt shine :) (at least most of the time)
[03:38] <ajmitch> lol
[03:38] <\sh> ogra: well...playing football/soccer is the only time I wear short pants so the problem is that the pants is too short *eg*
[03:39] <ogra> heh
[03:39] <\sh> ogra: how is your dslam?
[03:39] <ogra> \sh, you know that you play football in handstand, do you ?
[03:39] <\sh> i need some kwave testers ;)
[03:40] <ogra> s/that you/that you dont/
[03:40] <\sh> ogra: oops ;)
[03:41] <\sh> ok...lets do some real work until the little one is playing piano
[03:42] <\sh> s/until/while/
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[03:43] <\sh> yeah...he's spamming
[03:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't worry, it was actually me closing another bug after a successful upload & test
[03:43] <\sh> anyone who wants to test kwave on amd64? ;)
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: You rock baby :)
[03:43] <bddebian> \sh: Sure if you send me an amd64 box ;-)
[03:43] <\sh> oh daniels dancing xorg again?
[03:52] <ogra> \sh, kwave crashes at the first attempt from gnome...
[03:52] <ogra> but works at the second
[03:52] <ajmitch> oh this postinst change I made is horribly slow
[03:53] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...
[03:53] <ajmitch> but it overflows the arg list of ls & grep otherwise..
[03:53] <bddebian> Joy
[03:53] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:53] <\sh> ogra: can u send me the output from the console?
[03:53] <ajmitch> and causes bash to use ~220MB of mem
[03:54] <bddebian> ogra: How do I know if my key got accepted at keyring@ ??  Will it notify me?
[03:54] <ajmitch> not an ideal solution :)
[03:54] <ogra> bddebian, normally elmo tells you, else you have to ask him
[03:54] <bddebian> Oh man
[03:54] <ogra> \sh, sure ... it ends with KwaveApp::newWindow() failed!
[03:55] <\sh> ogra: hmmm....thats why 1) he cant find arts running
[03:55] <\sh> or 2) something si wrong with the cpu detect
[03:55] <ogra> probably
[03:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: elmo doesn't bite much
[03:55] <ogra> i guess its a race condition... arts starts to slow
[03:55] <\sh> ogra: but there is no real segfault...?
[03:55] <ajmitch> time for me to sleep, 2am
[03:55] <\sh> no kde crash window?
[03:55] <ajmitch> night all
[03:56] <\sh> cu ajmitch good night :)
[03:56] <\sh> ajmitch: 22 UTC motu meeting? ,-)
[03:56] <bddebian> gnight ajmitch
[03:56] <ajmitch> that's 10AM my time, I'll be awake ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <ogra> \sh, only the crash sound, no window
[03:56] <bddebian> That's gonna be tough for me but I'm gonna try
[03:57] <\sh> ogra: thx...it's ok we'll see after release *eg* this is really a bitch this kwave
[03:57] <ogra> i sent you the output
[03:58] <\sh> ogra: thx
[03:59] <\sh> grmpf
[04:00] <\sh> yesterday I uploaded a new kxdocker...and now I need new kxdocker-data
[04:00] <\sh> gnarf
[04:01] <\sh> checking debians new upstream
[04:01] <\sh> if it's compiling like this...
[04:06] <\sh> ok syncing is just fine
[04:08] <\sh> did i or did i not upload childsplay?
[04:11] <slomo> ok, updated faad2 is in the archives now... can everybody who has some aac/mp4/m4a files flying around test it? btw, works now also with the go open videos :)
[04:12] <\sh> ogra: thx...yeah it's arts
[04:12] <\sh> ogra: no real crash
[04:21] <\sh> Nafallo: ping
[04:22] <Nafallo> \sh: pong
[04:27] (\sh/#ubuntu-motu) argl
[04:39] <pef> splitnode ? :] 
[04:41] <bddebian> Heh
[05:06] <bddebian> WTF is c++abi2-dev ?
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[05:10] <dholbach> re
[05:10] <dholbach> hey barry
[05:11] <bddebian> I don't see any errors, just warnings, but I get the following failure:
[05:11] <bddebian> libdebtags_wrap_python.cc:28436: warning: 'SWIG_Python_addvarlink' defined but not used
[05:11] <bddebian> make[4] : *** [libdebtags_wrap_python.lo]  Error 1
[05:12] <dholbach> does it say "treating warnings as errors" before?
[05:13] <bddebian> Hmm, I
[05:13] <bddebian> 'll check
[05:13] <dholbach> it might compile with werr
[05:21] <cyberix> I "worry" that GNUnet 0.7-family might not get into Breezy. Can I somehow follow or request packaging? (There are already packageas for 0.6-family, which is outdated and incompatible)
[05:26] <Lathiat> hmm well right not its not even installable
[05:27] <cyberix> ?
[05:27] <Lathiat> needs a rebuild
[05:27] <cyberix> the 0.6-family version?
[05:27] <Lathiat> ya
[05:27] <cyberix> Might as well migrate to 0.7 then
[05:28] <Lathiat> not really, we're really late in the release cycle
[05:28] <Lathiat> cyberix: is 0.7 a major change? is it in debian yet?
[05:28] <cyberix> It fully breaks compatibility to 0.6
[05:28] <Lathiat> even backwards compatability?
[05:28] <Lathiat> thats a bit silly
[05:29] <cyberix> It is a completely different network
[05:29] <Lathiat> mmm
[05:29] <cyberix> So I'd not want Breezy to lock Ubuntu users into the old network
[05:30] <cyberix> There is not yet a Debian package, but I think the packager is working on it.
[05:30] <\sh> so we have to wait at least for the debian package...what is GNUnet anyways ;)
[05:30] <cyberix> http://gnunet.org/
[05:31] <bddebian> dholbach: Nevermind, looks like a gcc4 failure :-(
[05:31] <dholbach> hm
[05:31] <cyberix> http://gnunet.org/gnunetgtk.php3 (Some gnunet-gtk gui screen shots)
[05:34] <rbelem_> hello folks
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya rbelem_
[05:34] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:34] <Lathiat> pppoe doesnt bring up the interface for you
[05:34] <Lathiat> anymore
[05:34] <Lathiat> it used to
[05:34] <Lathiat> thats kinda nasty
[05:34] <bddebian> Weird that there isn't an FTBFS bug on BTS for debtags?? :-(
[05:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: You bored?
[05:40] <\sh> ajmitch: is sleeping
[05:41] <bddebian> Bah, how about you \sh? :-)
[05:41] <bddebian> Or maybe I should make dholbach earn his keep ;-P
[05:42] <dholbach> bddebian: you want me to look at a package?
[05:47] <Shufla> hello
[05:47] <Shufla> !seen zyga
[05:47] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah.  debtags.  I pulled 1.3 from unstable and am getting gcc4 failures and it surprises me
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya Shufla
[05:47] <dholbach> ok
[05:47] <dholbach> will look
[05:48] <bddebian> dholbach: Rockin', thank you
[05:48] <Shufla> hi dholbach
[05:49] <dholbach> hey Shufla
[05:49] <Shufla> :>
[05:49] <Shufla> just for a moment, byebye :)
[05:57] <dholbach> bddebian: which architecture are you talking about?
[05:57] <dholbach> bddebian: and version is 0.99.4ubuntu4 of debtags, right?
[05:57] <bddebian> No, 1.3.  It needs to be synced/merged from Debian (see MOTUToMerge)
[05:58] <dholbach> ah
[05:58] <dholbach> ok
[05:59] <dholbach> so 1.3.2 ?
[05:59] <dholbach> there's even 1.4 in experimental
[06:00] <bddebian> Yeah but 1.4 has some build deps we won't have iirc.  But I could be wrong
[06:00] <dholbach> ok
[06:00] <dholbach> so i'll look after 1.3.2
[06:18] <\sh> argl...*bangmyhead*
[06:21] <\sh> what the hell is distributed-net?
[06:21] <dholbach> some non-free stuff iirc
[06:22] <Nafallo> \sh: ehm... sounds like some kind of distributed net?
[06:22] <\sh> yes...and it's not in our archives
[06:22] <\sh> so some things can't be installed because of missing packages...
[06:23] <\sh> and that's why we get some really strange packages on the unmet deps list
[06:24] <\sh> building nicely (no source unmet deps) but not installable
[06:24] <\sh> so what to do with those packages? trash them ?
[06:24] <dholbach> bddebian: remove c++abi2-dev from build-depends and you should get a step further
[06:25] <dholbach> bddebian:  because it gets you gcc-3.4 (at least at my place)
[06:25] <dholbach> bddebian: it looks for ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Debtags.py afterwards, and cannot find it - do you want me to check that as well?
[06:33] <bddebian> WTF, where is it getting python2.3 from?
[06:33] <dholbach> it seems it builds python modules itself
[06:34] <bddebian> Yes but shouldn't "python" bring in 2.4?
[06:34] <dholbach> depends how the build-system works
[06:34] <dholbach> maybe there's a 2.3 somewhere :)
[06:35] <bddebian> @#$@#
[06:36] <bddebian> Hmm, -I/usr/include/python2.3
[06:42] <\sh> anyone using gkrelldnet?
[06:43] <lamont> ajmitch: fixed haddock uploaded, now to finish bootstrapping ghc6
[06:44] <bddebian> lamont: kick-ass
[06:45] <lamont> #316657 should anyone care
[06:45] <lifeless> lamont: NMU, NMU!
[06:46] <lamont> lifeless: nah - the person who pointed me at the bug plans to do that shortly for debian
[06:46] <lifeless> aw
[06:47] <lamont> heh
[06:47] <bddebian> DOes this look right for a .install file:
[06:47] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Debtags.py
[06:47] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/_Debtags.so*
[06:48] <lifeless> python2.4 surely
[06:49] <dholbach> did you check the complete source for occurences of "2.3"?
[06:49] <dholbach> you could just   debuild   it and have a look what in debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages  is
[06:49] <bddebian> dholbach: Yes, I'm looking through the packages
[06:50] <dholbach> super
[06:50] <Riddell> are we allowed new uploads to universe during preview freeze?
[06:51] <bddebian> NEW no, fixes yes :-)
[06:53] <\sh> Riddell: if it doesn't break anything? what is it?
[06:54] <Riddell> \sh: adept
[06:54] <\sh> Riddell: can u put it on revu? so 2 of us can get a look and approve ,-)
[06:55] <Riddell> which might (but shouldn't) break debtags
[06:55] <\sh> uha
[06:55] <bddebian> Well I'm working on an updated debtags as we speak :-)
[06:56] <\sh> Riddell: btw...kdevelop3: kdevdesigner is crashing...think it needs a rebuild
[06:57] <Riddell> \sh: pykde seems to be broken
[06:57] <Riddell> bddebian: what version?
[06:58] <bddebian> 1.3.2
[06:58] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm...did I rebuild it for 3.4.2?
[06:58] <\sh> i don't think so
[06:59] <\sh> let me check ;)
[07:00] <Riddell> thanks
[07:01] <\sh> I'll give it a rebuild
[07:01] <\sh> local pbuilder first
[07:01] <Riddell> bddebian: don't fancy uploading 1.4 do you?  adept needs 1.4
[07:02] <bddebian> Riddell: How different is it?
[07:02] <Riddell> 18:01 < Riddell> bddebian: don't fancy uploading 1.4 do you?  adept needs 1.4
[07:02] <mornfall> Riddell: yes?
[07:02] <Riddell> 18:02 < bddebian> Riddell: How different is it?
[07:02] <bddebian> ??
[07:02] <Riddell> mornfall: tell bddebian he wants to upload 1.4
[07:02] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[07:02] <mornfall> bddebian: you want to upload 1.4
[07:03] <bddebian> OK, I'll attempt a build and see what happens
[07:03] <\sh> lol
[07:03] <mornfall> bddebian: 1.3 is probably pretty dead
[07:03] <\sh> argl
[07:03] <\sh> looks like I have to rebuild python-sip4-qt3 as well *gnarf*
[07:03] <mornfall> 1.4 is also prerequisite of new debtags-edit which tends to fix quite some segfaults :)
[07:03] <bddebian> OK awesome, I'll try it
[07:04] <chillywilly> I love bddebian
[07:04] <chillywilly> :)
[07:04] <bddebian> Bah.. I love you too honey :-)
[07:04] <chillywilly> wassup dude?
[07:04] <Riddell> thanks bddebian, let us know of any problems or if you need a hand
[07:04] <bddebian> chillywilly: Just breaking more stuff ;-)
[07:04] <pef> bye
[07:04] <bddebian> Riddell: OK, thx
[07:04] <bddebian> Later pef
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: feel like fixing the sanekonsole package? :-))
[07:05] <Riddell> mornfall: what needs fixing?
[07:05] <\sh> bddebian for breaking universe *yeah*
[07:06] <bddebian> heh
[07:06] <bddebian> Maybe they are just trying to get elmo to hate me more.. ;-)
[07:06] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, i guess i'll handle it
[07:07] <\sh> bddebian: think...if you break something, then you break it the correct way ,-)
[07:07] <chillywilly> breaking stuff is fun
[07:08] <mornfall> :P
[07:08] <mornfall> chillywilly: wasn't that fun? :)
[07:08] <bddebian> heh, heh, yeah, break stuff, cool
[07:08] <chillywilly> mornfall: sure was
[07:08] <chillywilly> mornfall: didn't feel a thing
[07:08] <mornfall> chillywilly: hehe
[07:08] <mornfall> good for you
[07:10] <Riddell> mornfall: could sanekonsole be part of the adept sources?
[07:11] <mornfall> Riddell: uhh
[07:11] <mornfall> Riddell: i'd rather keep it as far from kde svn as i can :)
[07:11] <mornfall> Riddell: (it's just a backport)
[07:12] <mornfall> err netspliiit
[07:12] <mornfall> just in case, [19:09:25]  < mornfall> Riddell: i'd rather keep it as far from kde svn as i can :)
[07:12] <mornfall> [19:09:37]  < mornfall> Riddell: (it's just a backport)
[07:13] <Riddell> mornfall: got that
[07:13] <mornfall> well, the netsplit got me confused enough to not know
[07:13] <Riddell> just wonder how elmo will react to such a temporary package
[07:13] <mornfall> Riddell: beat you with a huge stick
[07:13] <jamessan|work> mornfall: bad code that caused the server to crash when brackets were in a kline
[07:13] <mornfall> jamessan|work: again?
[07:13] <mornfall> jamessan|work: that was long ago :)
[07:14] <mornfall> like 3 hours
[07:14] <mornfall> or maybe the are upgrading with a fix? who knows...
[07:14] <jamessan|work> ah yeah. maybe a server wasn't upgraded
[07:15] <\sh> ok...gentlemen I'm gone for one or two hours...need to have some time with my son :) he comes back now :)
[07:16] <\sh> be back before the meeting starts ;)
[07:18] <ogra> heh, udebs are funny
[07:18] <ogra> Installed-Size: 8
[07:18] <ogra> :)
[07:38] <dholbach> where do we track our status for the Slang2 transition?
[07:40] <bddebian> dholbach: Transitions, then there is a link to a wiki from there
[07:40] <dholbach> yes, to the debian wiki
[07:40] <bddebian> Oh :-(
[07:43] <\sh_away> ok...son doesn't want to be disturbed while he's watching tv ,-)
[07:43] <bddebian> Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[07:44] <\sh> bddebian: kids
[07:44] <bddebian> Yep
[07:49] <mornfall> more like (yet), actually
[07:51] <\sh> mornfall: hehehe :) /me has no kids as well...it's my "stepson" ..kind of
[07:52] <mornfall> stepson in the sense you married a woman with children?
[07:52] <mornfall> or something else i am missing :)
[07:54] <\sh> I met a woman with children yes :) never married :)
[07:55] <\sh> but 7 years of relationship and the son calls me "dad" ;)
[07:56] <\sh> I'm changing the MOTU pages concerning the approvement system
[08:06] <\sh> done
[08:07] <slomo_> \sh: nice, you're fast :)
[08:07] <\sh> slomo_: hey dude good to have u in the team...mr. eagle eye :)
[08:07] <\sh> slomo_: this issue with the .po files thx :)
[08:08] <slomo> \sh: no problem :) i just wondered why everything was english again ;)
[08:08] <\sh> slomo: hehe..this is my problem...even with ogra or dholbach I'm speaking in english when I don't think about it ;)
[08:08] <\sh> think I have to speak more german ,-)
[08:09] <ogra> \sh, do you understand now why i fear to hold a speech in german in november ? ;)
[08:09] <slomo> \sh: hehe that happened for me too many times ;) i spoke german with Nafallo and english with mbreit ;)
[08:09] <ogra> (but i cant work around that anyway )
[08:10] <Nafallo> lol
[08:10] <slomo> ogra: what speech is that? something public? :)
[08:10] <\sh> hehehe
[08:10] <ogra> slomo, yup
[08:10] <\sh> ogra: yeah :) I fear that all the time :) the last time during our party while I was on training, I always spoke english when I was drunk
[08:10] <ogra> http://www.linuxkongress.at/index.php?id=197
[08:11] <ogra> hehe
[08:11] <ogra> i know that... until someone asks what youre saying :)#
[08:11] <\sh> ogra: actually everybody was understanding me ;)
[08:11] <ogra> heh
[08:12] <\sh> eplus, tcom, even t-system...but not rheinenergy
[08:15] <slomo> dholbach: ping?
[08:15] <dholbach> slomo: pong
[08:16] <slomo> dholbach: already tried the go open videos? :) or too busy?
[08:16] <dholbach> slomo: busy, but tried them - mplayer worked, totem didnt
[08:16] <dholbach> but nevertheless - GOOD WORK :)
[08:16] <dholbach> i will watch them all now :)
[08:17] <\sh> go open videos?
[08:18] <slomo> dholbach: totem didn't oook... wait ;) do you have gstreamer0.8-faac installed? or better gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse and gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg? or do you use the xine backend for totem?
[08:18] <dholbach> i think so
[08:19] <dholbach> will try again later
[08:19] <slomo> dholbach: ok, thanks... when it doesn't work tell me and i'll try to fix ;)
[08:19] <dholbach> slomo: super thanks
[08:21] <slomo> \sh: you can get them here http://www.legaltorrents.com/index.htm ... it's a south african tv show about open source sponsored by mark's foundation and canonical
[08:23] <\sh> ah
[08:23] <bddebian> Damn this RL work thing sucks
[08:23] <\sh> will have a look later
[08:24] <\sh> damn
[08:24] <slomo> dholbach: works in totem for me on x86 and ppc :/
[08:24] <\sh> I get only all this unmainted stuff
[08:25] <dholbach> slomo: maybe i was just dumb, don't worry
[08:25] <\sh> hmmm..so time for bed now...for the little one
[08:25] <\sh> brb
[08:26] <bddebian> Damn, I swore I asked for libdebtags1-dev ...
[08:28] <bddebian> We don't have libdevel and I suppose I'd get an ass-whoopin' asking for that one eh? :-)
[08:30] <bddebian> Riddell, mornfall: debtags-1.4 needs libdebtags1-dev and we don't have libdevel :-(
[08:32] <Riddell> bddebian: libdevel?
[08:33] <bddebian> That's what packages.d.o says provides libdebtags1-dev
[08:39] <ryanthiessen> slomo: thoggen 0.4 is now released, http://thoggen.net if you're still interested
[08:39] <siretart> hi folks
[08:40] <slomo> ryanthiessen: thanks... i'll package it right now ;)
[08:40] <slomo> ryanthiessen: thanks for giving me some work :)
[08:40] <ryanthiessen> heh, no problem
[08:41] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[08:41] <siretart> huhu bddebian! :)
[08:41] <siretart> how's life?
[08:42] <bddebian> dholbach, ogra: So what should I do about debtags?
[08:42] <bddebian> siretart: Busy, you?
[08:42] <dholbach> dholbach: what happened to the python part of it?
[08:42] <siretart> I today finished my presentation about my thesis
[08:42] <dholbach> bddebian: what happened to the python part of it?
[08:42] <bddebian> siretart: Nice
[08:42] <dholbach> siretart: WOW
[08:42] <dholbach> siretart: ROCK ON! :)
[08:42] <siretart> dholbach: huhu :)
[08:42] <siretart> but I don't have a mark yet
[08:43] <bddebian> dholbach: Dunno yet, I'm trying 1.4 from experimental since Riddell and mornfall asked for it but it needs libdebtags1-dev which comes from libdevel which we don't have in the archive
[08:43] <dholbach> libdevel is not a source package name, is it?
[08:43] <bddebian> dholbach: Hmm, maybe I'm screwing myself up again..
[08:44] <dholbach> dholbach: take it easy
[08:44] <Riddell> bddebian: Source Package: libdebtags1
[08:44] <Riddell> libdevel is the section
[08:45] <bddebian> Riddell: Aye
[08:46] <bddebian> dholbach: libdebtags1 is the source package
[08:46] <dholbach> super
[08:46] <bddebian> Why is that super? :-)
[08:46] <dholbach> one step further
[08:48] <siretart> should we really ship debtags with breezy?
[08:48] <siretart> I mean, we don't have debtags support in breezy anyway..
[08:48] <dholbach> it's been there for years :)
[08:49] <bddebian> siretart: Dunno the answer to that, I'm just working through my MOM list :-)
[08:49] <bddebian> dholbach: What has been where for years?
[08:49] <siretart> has anyone heared something from lamont or infinity saying something about ghc6?
[08:50] <dholbach> bddebian: debtags has been around for years but not "implemented"
[08:50] <siretart> debian has debtags now in unstable
[08:50] <lamont> siretart: yeah - I just uploaded a fixed haddock, and can actually bootstrap ghc6 now
[08:50] <bddebian> siretart: <lamont> ajmitch: fixed haddock uploaded, now to finish bootstrapping ghc6
[08:50] <siretart> lamont: wooohooo! rock! :)
[08:52] <bddebian> dholbach: So what do I do?  Anything? :-)
[08:52] <Burgundavia> slomo, what license changes did faad go through?
[08:52] <dholbach> bddebian: you need a build-dep?
[08:53] <dholbach> bddebian: the experimental version makes other things work as well?
[08:53] <bddebian> dholbach: libdebtags1 if I am going going to build 1.4 from experimental :-)
[08:53] <dholbach> bddebian: get the build-dep in :)
[08:53] <dholbach> if it's the only realistic candidate
[08:54] <slomo> Burgundavia: it was changed to GPL + one paragraph which makes it GPL incompatible... i took the last revision from cvs where the license wasn't changed so don't worry ;)
[08:54] <bddebian> dholbach: Well I could probably fix 1.3 but Riddell and mornfall say 1.4 is better.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> slomo, ouch. Why would they do something stupid like that?
[08:55] <dholbach> bddebian:  1.3 looks realistic to me - the c++ part is solved by dropping that strange builddep, the python part should be fixable too
[08:55] <slomo> Burgundavia: because the developers are working for nero now... they want every software which uses faad2 to show some text in the about dialog or somewhere else
[08:56] <Burgundavia> slomo, ah, ok
[08:57] <Burgundavia> slomo, is anybody else shipping this as well? (I assume the clause is as bad as the old bsd advertising clause)
[08:57] <\sh> re
[08:57] <slomo> Burgundavia: afaik nobody else... because of some ugly patents on aac
[08:57] <bddebian> dholbach: OK, 1.3 it is :-)
[08:58] <Burgundavia> slomo, ah, yes, aren't patents fun
[08:58] <dholbach> bddebian: good luck with it! bon courage! :)
[09:00] <\sh> anyone online who was involved in getting babytrans into ubuntu?
[09:01] <siretart> does anyone know if breezy will get xorg 7.0? I have the impression that the graphic drivers are still at 6.8.2
[09:01] <\sh> siretart: ask daniels ;)
[09:01] <\sh> but I don't think so
[09:01] <siretart> huhu \sh
[09:01] <\sh> hey siretart
[09:01] <\sh> ah I have to have a look on the revu server
[09:01] <ogra> siretart, i think 6.9.99 was planned for release ;)
[09:02] <siretart> ogra: ok. so we will wait and see :)
[09:02] <ogra> so nearly 7.0 ....
[09:02] <siretart> the thing is, I'd really have latest radeon driver
[09:02] <ogra> the f.d.o schedule doesnt match ours completely afaik
[09:02] <\sh> dholbach: I'm taking gnome-phone-manager
[09:03] <siretart> because I use mergedfb and according to cvs logs, only the latest cvs supports non rectangular virtual desktop sizes..
[09:03] <bddebian> dholbach: bon courage?
[09:06] <slomo> \sh: i'm currently packaging thoggen... they have a debian directory upstream... und it's ugly as hell ;) what do you suggest? changing upstream tarball or some other hack?
[09:07] <tseng> just change theirs in diff.gz
[09:07] <\sh> slomo: remove debian from upstream and create a new one
[09:07] <\sh> without changing the orig.tar.gz
[09:07] <\sh> well..or change the upstream ones...i have the problem with SER
[09:08] <slomo> \sh: the problem is... the upstream ones include some files (Makefile, Makefile.in, control.in) which don't get deleted by the diff when i just delete the directory and put my own stuff into... so changing tarball?
[09:09] <mornfall> bddebian: you also need tagcoll 1.4...
[09:09] <bddebian> mornfall: Not anymore.. :-)
[09:09] <mornfall> bddebian: hmm, because? :)
[09:09] <\sh> slomo: rm -Rvf debian and mkdir debian/ + create new files ;)
[09:10] <bddebian> mornfall: I'm gonna do 1.3, sorry
[09:10] <\sh> doesn't delete the old Makefile?
[09:10] <\sh> it should :)
[09:10] <mornfall> bddebian: oh well
[09:10] <slomo> \sh: nope... dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/Makefile.am
[09:10] <mornfall> bddebian: reasoning?
[09:10] <bddebian> mornfall: For breezy+1 I'll do 1.4
[09:10] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:10] <bddebian> mornfall: dholbach and UVF :-)
[09:10] <mornfall> UVF = ?
[09:10] <\sh> Upstream Version Freeze
[09:10] <bddebian> Aye
[09:10] <mornfall> eh-h
[09:11] <mornfall> and 1.3 is not in and can go in nevertheless?
[09:11] <bddebian> mornfall: 1.3 was a merge request from ages ago and doesn't bring in new functionality
[09:11] <mornfall> bddebian: new functionality from what?
[09:12] <slomo> \sh: so what do you suggest? ignoring it or doing something else?
[09:12] <mornfall> (s/from/compared to/)
[09:12] <bddebian> 1.4 would require NEW packages for libdebtags1 and tagcoll 1.4
[09:12] <bddebian> Well update for tagcoll anyway
[09:12] <mornfall> oh well
[09:12] <bddebian> mornfall: Convince dholbach and elmo, I am just a slave ;-)
[09:13] <mornfall> Riddell: how do you see solving this?
[09:13] <\sh> slomo: ignoring it..and change everything you can ;)
[09:13] <\sh> bddebian: you are a MOTU and you have to make decisions
[09:13] <slomo> \sh: ok... let's see what ajmitch or whoever wants to sponsor me for debian has to say about this ;)
[09:13] <\sh> Riddell: if adept is using debtags1.4 then leave it for another day
[09:13] <\sh> Riddell: or do we need it badly for kubuntu?
[09:14] <bddebian> \sh: Well I'm also too clueless to know what would break (if anything) if all the 1.4 stuff came in
[09:14] <\sh> bddebian: apt-cache rdepends debtags
[09:14] <\sh> or whatever the package is called
[09:14] <\sh> named
[09:14] <\sh> and gnome-phone-manager ftbfs
[09:15] <\sh> another fight for \sh against buggy upstream source
[09:15] <slomo> \sh: ok, done ;) let's see if the stuff hurts
[09:15] <Riddell> I thought upstream version freeze didn't apply to universe
[09:16] <bddebian> Riddell: I'll ask elmo even though he hates me :-)
[09:16] <dholbach> Riddell: we're in a phase where we handle stuff more rigorous, but we're not strict
[09:16] <\sh> Riddell: not really...not in most cases...but if it gives us another transition...no way...even when I want to see adept in kubuntu-desktop
[09:16] <tseng> bradb: i am searching for bugs in malone
[09:16] <dholbach> bddebian: not really
[09:16] <tseng> bradb: i really want to cut myself afterwards
[09:16] <bddebian> dholbach: ?
[09:16] <bradb> tseng: do tell
[09:16] <mornfall> i am confused
[09:16] <mornfall> :)
[09:16] <dholbach> bddebian: the hating bit
[09:16] <tseng> bradb: ok.
[09:16] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[09:16] <Riddell> there's all of three packages that depend on debtags, I'm happy to transition them myself
[09:17] <bddebian> Riddell: I just saw that.  I'll ask elmo
[09:17] <tseng> bradb: going to a search page is different depending on where i am
[09:17] <\sh> bddebian: elmo has in motu things nothing to say...we're responsible...we have to get universe in a working state...
[09:17] <tseng> bradb: and this doesnt seem obvious until i get 3 results no matter what i do
[09:17] <bddebian> \sh: How else would I bring the missing packages into the archive?
[09:17] <mornfall> poor elmo
[09:17] <\sh> .oO(i mean elmo has something to say..but decisions are made in motu universe)
[09:17] <tseng> bradb: so if im looking at bugs assigned to me
[09:18] <tseng> bradb: and try to search for my bug, which is not assigned to me for some reason..
[09:18] <\sh> bddebian: if you say: sync he will sync...because then there is a real need of the sync
[09:18] <tseng> bradb: useless.
[09:18] <\sh> bddebian: if it's not breaking anything
[09:18] <bddebian> \sh: But he will question me on the rationale :-)
[09:18] <tseng> bradb: the header above the search box on this page does say "bugs in ubuntu linux"
[09:18] <tseng> bradb: not "brandons bugs"
[09:18] <\sh> bddebian: come on dude...you stand your man yesterday very well...
[09:19] <bddebian> \sh: Because I had valid rationale ;-)
[09:19] <tseng> bradb: hm maybe that page isnt it. some pages have local search
[09:19] <\sh> bddebian: and when you are self confident u will stand also this
[09:19] <tseng> bradb: i was also in product/muine getting this
[09:19] <bddebian> \sh: You should now by now that I have no self confidence
[09:20] <bradb> heh, somebody just smashed a windshield on a car outside my place by dropping something from an upper story by accident
[09:20] <\sh> bddebian: friend, you were standing 3 times, when I counted correctly, in front of the TB and you are here...so don't tell me anything about "I don't have any self confidence"
[09:20] <bradb> tseng: right, so, you're having problems getting from bugs assigned to you to bugs not assigned to you, IIUC
[09:20] <\sh> 7nick Prof.Dr.\shOfPsychology
[09:21] <tseng> bradb: im trying to find a bug that affects a few packages, so i dont recall which one it was filed as
[09:21] <bddebian> bradb: Nice :-)
[09:21] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[09:21] <tseng> bradb: jumping around malone was less than fun
[09:21] <tseng> bradb: ill think more about whats wrong
[09:22] <dholbach> brb
[09:22] <ivoks> hi
[09:22] <bradb> tseng: right...i fully sympathize with your requirement to search across packages.
[09:22] <tseng> bradb: another thing i tried to do was
[09:22] <bradb> i wish i would have been allowed to not violently remove the functionality from Malone
[09:22] <tseng> bradb: go to Ubuntu Bugs
[09:22] <bradb> s/the/that/
[09:22] <tseng> bradb: then it wants to drill me down to Breezy Badger
[09:22] <tseng> bradb: then... i386
[09:23] <tseng> bradb: bong
[09:23] <tseng> i happen to know its an amd64 thing
[09:23] <\sh> dholbach: can I send you the build.log for gnome-phone-manager,-)
[09:23] <tseng> but bugs dont break down by arch all the time
[09:23] <tseng> or even a majority?
[09:23] <bradb> @#!&! /me wonders what the heck happened to those counts
[09:23] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/i386
[09:23] <slomo> grmpf... why is libdbus-glib-1-dev called dbus-glib-1-dev in debian? :(
[09:23] <tseng> and um
[09:24] <tseng> even if i play along, it gives me nothing
[09:24] <bradb> tseng: where are you seeing it want to drill you down to i386?
[09:25] <bradb> starting from ubuntu bugs, as you instructed me to
[09:25] <\sh> slomo: | <- your friend ,-)
[09:25] <slomo> \sh: i know... but anyway, that's not logical ;) it's a lib...
[09:25] <tseng> bradb: Launchpad home -> The Ubuntu Dist -> Breezy -> i386
[09:26] <tseng> This archive currently contains 0 software packages.
[09:26] <tseng> i guess this isnt even bugs
[09:26] <tseng> my mistake
[09:27] <tseng> now i can finally search all bugs
[09:27] <lamont> checking build system type... powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu
[09:27] <lamont> sucks to be ppc
[09:27] <bradb> tseng: to be clear here, what is goal when you're doing this? what was the exact thing you were trying to do?
[09:27] <tseng> bradb: i want to try searching a few different terms agains all open bugs
[09:27] <\sh> slomo: transition? ,-)
[09:27] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2031
[09:27] <tseng> to finally find this
[09:27] <tseng> i just ended up going in a bunch of circles first
[09:28] <tseng> part of it is my fault
[09:28] <bddebian> lamont: :-)
[09:28] <\sh> hmm...I'm starting to be a friend of trance music *strange*
[09:28] <bradb> tseng: no, i assume the blame if you're confused
[09:28] <tseng> bradb: i started from the launchpad front page instead of malone front page at some point, thats part of the problem
[09:28] <\sh> lamont: ppc64 is it?
[09:28] <tseng> bradb: and surely not your fault.
[09:29] <lamont> \sh, the kernel is ppc64...  user space is still powerpc
[09:29] <\sh> argl
[09:29] <lamont> uname -m returns powerpc64 on ppc6
[09:29] <lamont> 4
[09:29] <\sh> bddebian: you found yourself now? ;)
[09:29] <bradb> tseng: maybe we should rename "View Ubuntu Bugs" to "Search Ubuntu Bugs"? Maybe that's splitting hairs too, I'm not sure.
[09:30] <lamont> hrm.. actually, kernel returns ppc64
[09:30] <astharot> good evening
[09:30] <bradb> tseng: the fact that you were even able to get confused by starting at the launchpad front page suggests that we need to build a better yellow brick road
[09:30] <tseng> bradb: ill try to deconstruct my circle of doom into something sensible
[09:30] <astharot> who can explain me what's "Ubuntite!" in launchpad? :P
[09:30] <tseng> bradb: the launchpad frontpage is currently totally useless, i think
[09:31] <\sh> hey astharot
[09:31] <astharot> hi \sh
[09:31] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/i386
[09:31] <tseng> it puts me at this page
[09:31] <tseng> which, if i dont click a tab, has nothing at all
[09:32] <tseng> if i was a user, not a single thing on this page would be comprehensible
[09:32] <tseng> "architecture release details" one one panel
[09:32] <tseng> "mark shuttleworth" and "amd64" on another
[09:32] <tseng> if im lucky enough to see the bugs tab
[09:32] <tseng> im set
[09:33] <tseng> im sure the launchpad stuff is meant to have alot more work before being "go", though
[09:34] <bradb> right, interesting
[09:34] <bradb> that page is pretty mysterious
[09:34] <tseng> thats where i get from the front page
[09:34] <tseng> since im lucky enough to know what "breezy badger" is
[09:35] <bradb> I'm wondering if the body of that page should include stats about bugs and translations, to help be a bit more visible
[09:35] <bradb> those portlets look so busy that i can't even be bothered to read them either
[09:36] <tseng> if you did read them
[09:36] <tseng> you wouldnt be any further ahead
[09:36] <tseng> the information is pretty meaningless in the context
[09:37] <tseng> it all *looks* like im in malone though
[09:37] <tseng> with actions bars and all that business
[09:37] <bradb> that's an interesting observation
[09:38] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+bugs
[09:38] <tseng> at some point i got to this page
[09:38] <tseng> there are 5 bugfs
[09:38] <tseng> there are 5 for hoary, and 5 for warty
[09:38] <tseng> this is about when i started getting super frustrated
[09:39] <tseng> "where are all the bugs??"
[09:39] <bradb> right, ISWYM
[09:39] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/products/muine/+bugs
[09:39] <tseng> i also got here
[09:39] <bradb> tseng: what kinds of cues were you looking for to try and make things clearer?
[09:40] <bddebian> \sh: I did?
[09:40] <tseng> and it doesnt even HAVe the muine bug i was looking for
[09:40] <tseng> i guess its under some other product
[09:40] <\sh> bddebian: 21:27 < bddebian> elmo: If/when you come around can you please sync libdebtags1, debtags, and tagcoll 1.4 from experimental.  I have been asked to bring in 1.4 rather than try to merge debtags 1.3. Thanks a million.
[09:40] <\sh> bddebian: so you found yourself
[09:40] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[09:40] <tseng> bradb: im really not sure, but i keep running into brick walls
[09:41] <tseng> bradb: at least some of them seem like legitimate silliness in the pages
[09:41] <bradb> tseng: fwiw, i would note that mark has earmarked much of November for me to focus on searching, which presumably involves addressing a lot of this workflow too
[09:41] <bradb> tseng: on a side note, will you be in montreal?
[09:41] <tseng> bradb: ive not heard anything yet, but i hope to be on the list
[09:43] <bradb> i hope you're there so we can discuss more malone-fu
[09:44] <bradb> i'm relaying some of this conversation to mpt in #launchpad, btw
[09:44] <tseng> rock on
[09:44] <bddebian> \sh: Hope you still feel that way when I get my ass handed to me by elmo :-)
[09:44] <\sh> I think a lot of motus will be involved in launchpad fu ,-)
[09:44] <tseng> \sh: im the dumbest so problems are most apperant
[09:44] <\sh> bddebian: elmo is a charming person :) I heard so :)
[09:44] <\sh> tseng: ah come on ;)
[09:45] <bddebian> tseng: I think not, I have that market cornered ;-)
[09:45] <tseng> hah
[09:45] <ogra> hey, stop that...
[09:45] <ogra> lurking here sounds like MOTU is a bunch of idiots
[09:45] <tseng> bradb: yeah, im sure it would be fun to watch me beat my head against launchpad in real time
[09:46] <bddebian> ogra: Nope, just me. :-)
[09:46] <bradb> tseng: heh. you're a martyr. :P
[09:46] <ogra> bddebian, but tseng already tries to cope with you.... i'm worried...
[09:47] <tseng> ill be ok
[09:47] <ogra> :)
[09:47] <tseng> i did finally manage to find the bug i was looking for
[09:47] <\sh> guys...guys...first of all: the idiot it's just me...and you are rocking and you know what you do..
[09:47] <ogra> lol
[09:47] <bddebian> \sh: heh
[09:48] <\sh> I can say that I'm an idiot...because i'm german ,-> and I'm just joking now :)
[09:48] <slomo> \sh: wahh... the thoggen tarball is ugly as hell ;) i removed the Makefiles now... and they want to get written by configure ;)
[09:48] <slomo> ryanthiessen: are you in contact with the thoggen author?
[09:48] <\sh> slomo: in debian/ ?
[09:48] <slomo> \sh: yes :(
[09:48] <bddebian> ogra: Nah, tseng dislikes me also ;-P
[09:48] <\sh> wha...check makefile.am
[09:48] <\sh> and configure.in
[09:49] <ogra> bddebian, yes, we all hate you ;)
[09:49] <\sh> in configure.in there must be a section where the makefiles are generated
[09:49] <slomo> \sh: yes i can change that all... but then i better make a new tarball i think ;) because of running autoreconf and everything...
[09:49] <ryanthiessen> slomo: I can be, though I usually do just via the thoggen mailing list
[09:49] <bddebian> ogra: Now you are getting it. :-)
[09:49] <\sh> slomo: put it in the configure section...I saw many packages now who does this style...and it's ok ...
[09:49] <ogra> bddebian, i know your masochistic tendencys finally :)
[09:49] <bddebian> :-)
[09:50] <slomo> \sh: ok...
[09:50] <slomo> ryanthiessen: can you tell upstream he should better remove the debian directory from his tarball? that makes thinks much more complicated ;)
[09:50] <bddebian> Damnit, I broke regina-normal :-(
[09:51] <\sh> ogra: should I add an angenda entry: "Please chear all bddebian so he does feel like an idiot" ?
[09:51] <\sh> argh..."doesn't feel"
[09:51] <\sh> sorry..couldn't resist ,-)
[09:51] <bddebian> \sh: No, doesn't help.  I just have a ridiculous personality quirk :-)
[09:51] <ogra> \sh, but he only feels well if we punish him :)
[09:52] <\sh> ogra: ok...I bribe elmo to include his key directly tomorrow morning ;)
[09:52] <tseng> bradb: i think thats all the pages i found totally confusing this time, hopefully we get to really dig in at UBZ
[09:52] <bddebian> heh
[09:52] <\sh> ogra: and I will tell him to remove all our keys so bddebian is the only motu ever ;)
[09:52] <ogra> lol
[09:52] <bddebian> ACK, no way
[09:52] <ogra> would be funny for him....
[09:52] <\sh> how many packages?
[09:53] <\sh> 20k?
[09:53] <ogra> 17
[09:53] <\sh> ok..rounded up 20K ;)
[09:53] <bddebian> heh
[09:53] <bradb> tseng: I'd like to hope that I can dedicate more of my time to UI improvements between now and then too, but I'm not sure atm, because I have a lot of other things to do that have very little to do with improving the user experience, unfortunately :/
[09:53] <bddebian> OK gang, I have to run home so I can be there in time for MOTU meeting.  BBL.
[09:53] <\sh> dholbach: gnome-phone-manager is completly broken
[09:53] <dholbach> \sh: i can imagine
[09:53] <\sh> bddebian: hurry :)
[09:53] <bradb> tseng: one thing (i can't find that sentence in my scrollback): did you also say that you didn't notice the "Bugs" tab at first?
[09:53] <bddebian> I have 2 hours right?
[09:54] <ogra> \sh, dont rewrite it then :)
[09:54] <\sh> dholbach: I checked upstream homepage...but it's only the version we have in the archives
[09:54] <slomo> \sh: oh lol... debian/control gets generated by configure in the upstream package... omg :(
[09:54] <\sh> and the requirements are fullfilled
[09:54] <dholbach> damn
[09:55] <\sh> dholbach: tried with g++-3.4 no change
[09:55] <\sh> dholbach: and no debian package
[09:55] <\sh> slomo: WOOT?
[09:55] <\sh> slomo: throw it away
[09:56] <slomo> \sh: already done ;) what an evil package...
[09:56] <tseng> bradb: i noticed it surely, but it wasnt the first thing that came to mind
[09:56] <\sh> slomo: tell upstream is a drunken donkey
[09:56] <bradb> tseng: ok
[09:56] <slomo> \sh: yes... i plan that ;) but more polite :P
[09:56] <\sh> slomo: no this is dangerous...
[09:57] <tseng> bradb: i would think most everyone looks for what they want in the main div
[09:57] <\sh> slomo: generating the debian/ stuff from configure is evil more then that
[09:57] <tseng> bradb: and then branches to the sides
[09:57] <tseng> bradb: and there is ALOT of side to branch into
[09:57] <slomo> \sh: i know... i already removed all his trash ;)
[09:57] <bradb> tseng: there is indeed.
[09:59] <\sh> slomo: whats inside the configure.in ? any aclocal.m4 stuff which is not standard? ,-)
[09:59] <tseng> bradb: i imagine UBZ will have at least as tight a schedule as UBU
[09:59] <tseng> UDU
[09:59] <tseng> bradb: we should probably set something up now
[09:59] <tseng> bradb: mpt, you, mark..
[10:00] <bradb> indeed, but we're planning on doing specific hack sessions based on Ubuntu dev input
[10:00] <\sh> tseng: add me when I have an OK from sponsorship
[10:00] <slomo> \sh: nope... at least something positive ;)
[10:00] <tseng> \sh: i dont have ne
[10:00] <tseng> one
[10:00] <\sh> slomo: so how he's generating the debian/stuff from configure?
[10:00] <\sh> tseng: me neither
[10:01] <tseng> it needs to happen without me, if im not there
[10:01] <tseng> either way
[10:01] <slomo> \sh: yes... just substituting one variable: @GST_PLUGINS_REQ@
[10:01] <\sh> slomo: but this doesn't sound like "rebuild crap in debian/*"
[10:02] <bradb> tseng: there'll be lots going on involving all of us. i think we're more likely to make that time arrangement at the event. but rest assured, there will be a lot of time spent turning user input into Python code
[10:02] <\sh> what about configure.in.in?
[10:02] <tseng> bradb: great
[10:02] <tseng> bradb: last time there was 0 free time
[10:02] <slomo> \sh: he only substitues that variable in control.in and has a Makefile for installing some files from the debian directory
[10:03] <\sh> slomo: ah well..this is just like cdbs
[10:03] <slomo> \sh: not exactly... the Makefile stuff is not like in cdbs ;)
[10:03] <ivoks> evening
[10:03] <slomo> \sh: and i use cdbs without control managment... ;)
[10:03] <\sh> slomo: where can I grab that source...let me have a look
[10:03] <slomo> \sh: http://thoggen.net/download/
[10:05] <slomo> \sh: most ugly upstream tarball i ever saw ;)
[10:05] <\sh> hmmm
[10:06] <\sh> slomo: in configure.ac replace debian/Makefile in Makefile
[10:06] <slomo> \sh: already done :) it's not the first time i do something with autotools :P
[10:06] <\sh> remove debian/control and substitute debian/control with your dependencies
[10:06] <\sh> moment
[10:07] <\sh> the debian/Makefile.am debian/Makefile.in are only for this bloody control
[10:07] <slomo> \sh: nope... EXTRA_DIST
[10:08] <\sh> EXTRA_DIST = changelog control control.in rules thoggen.menu
[10:08] <\sh> forget it
[10:08] <\sh> install the menu stuff in debian/rules by hand
[10:09] <slomo> \sh: i've deleted it... it isn't needed anymore, everything has moved to the fd.o standard afaik... or am i wrong?
[10:10] <\sh> slomo: if you want to bring it into debian you need the debian menu stuff
[10:10] <\sh> slomo: I mean it doesn't hurt ,-)
[10:11] <slomo> \sh: are you sure it's required? i don't have it in my other package ;)
[10:11] <\sh> slomo: debian structure
[10:12] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll see later when i find someone who wants to sponsor it :)
[10:12] <\sh> slomo: what's with your key?
[10:13] <\sh> and gabber2 needs more love *grmpf* and has a bunch of dpatches on it
[10:13] <slomo> \sh: regarding upload rights? i don't think it will added to the keyring soon... everybody is just too busy :/
[10:16] <\sh> slomo: but there is no problem with the key anymore?
[10:16] <slomo> \sh: there was never a problem with the key... that was ivoks ;)
[10:17] <\sh> hmmm...was ivoks saying some others have problems with the key as well?
[10:18] <ivoks> ?
[10:18] <slomo> the problem is just that it isn't added yet... mako told me more than a month ago that he don't have a signed CoC by me but i sent it to him before and some times after that... and it was in launchpad for ages ;) so there was no real problem
[10:20] <\sh> I wonder when rhythmbox gets a nice last.fm aka audioscrobbler plugin
[10:20] <slomo> \sh: ok, sent thoggen upstream a mail :)
[10:20] <\sh> slomo: hehe
[10:21] <\sh> re dholbach
[10:22] <\sh> http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Coolness <- check it out :) kde4 will be the rocking hammer for switching ppl from mac ,-)
[10:23] <ivoks> no screenshot :(
[10:23] <\sh> there are
[10:24] <\sh> http://www.youtube.com/?v=68fOpHfRWdY
[10:24] <\sh> http://www.youtube.com/?v=sUfccSFCkAY
[10:24] <ivoks> i see
[10:24] <\sh> http://home.arcor.de/hans.oischinger/attention.html
[10:25] <ivoks> this has nothing with KDE
[10:25] <ivoks> it's X feature
[10:25] <\sh> ivoks: but you have to enable it...and kde doesn't have it ;)
[10:25] <ivoks> but looks good
[10:25] <ogra> \sh, to get mac people switching to KDE you need a diet ...
[10:26] <\sh> ogra: ah come on..apple mac os ppl are ppl like those ones in those play centers: "Licht Lockt Leute An" ,-)
[10:27] <\sh> I fixed gabber2
[10:27] <ogra> \sh, KDE is still to cluttered...
[10:27] <ogra> you cant attract mac people with that...
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: see kde4 and plasma...the ideas are good...project oriented working instead of file oriented
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: and there is gnome going as well
[10:28] <\sh> ogra: btw..I'm working now since 8 weeks with gnome ;)
[10:29] <ogra> \sh, see the KDE app menubar and see the gnome app menubar for a example...
[10:29] <\sh> ogra: forget about this...kde4 will change everything
[10:30] <\sh> http://plasma.kde.org/
[10:30] <ogra> thats what i meant with "it needs a diet"
[10:30] <ogra> i know plasma
[10:31] <\sh> ogra: qt needs a faster compiler ;)
[10:32] <ogra> hey, come on, we have the latest beeding edge compiler possible :)
[10:33] <\sh> hehehe....
[10:33] <\sh> but with all this "new model programming" stuff like templates etc..it's sometimes a bit slow...but it's easier for devs to deal with thos oop "crap"
[10:34] <\sh> and now...it's 22:34 GMT+2 -> I'm allowed to drink beer
[10:34] <ogra> whoops
[10:34] <\sh> well...therefore i fixed kwave and gabber2 ,-)
[10:35] <slomo> \sh: is anyone even using gabber2? and has development started again with gabber2? ;)
[10:35] <\sh> slomo: well...actually it doesn't matter, cause gajim will be inluded in main for breezy+1 ,-)
[10:35] <\sh> slomo: but it was on my list of unmet deps
[10:35] <\sh> slomo: so I have to it...
[10:36] <\sh> but actually...i have several packages which I want to put on a graveyard
[10:36] <slomo> \sh: ah ok ;) but i would be for gajim in main :) it just has to mature a bit in the next weeks
[10:37] <\sh> slomo: as I said: 22:36 < \sh> slomo: well...actually it doesn't matter, cause gajim will be inluded in main for breezy+1 ,-)
[10:37] <\sh> slomo: there is no "would" there is a "will" ;)
[10:37] <\sh> or a "going to be"
[10:37] <slomo> \sh: or a "must be"? :P
[10:37] <\sh> "have to be"
[10:37] <\sh> "because we can't without"
[10:38] <slomo> "needed for world domination plans" :)
[10:38] <\sh> hehe yes :)
[10:38] <\sh> and everything is ogra's fault
[10:39] <slomo> why is it his fault?
[10:39] <\sh> ogra: btw...are u busy the next weekend
[10:39] <slomo> \sh: you should have a mail for me from LP ;)
[10:40] <ogra> \sh, i'm busy until release, why ?
[10:40] <\sh> slomo: because he brought me into this all ;)
[10:40] <ogra> heh
[10:40] <\sh> ogra: I wanted to visit you at your place...:=
[10:41] <\sh> slomo: no...about what?
[10:41] <ogra> \sh, cool, go ahead... (as long as youre not allergic to animal fur :) )
[10:42] <slomo> \sh: MOTU IM team... i added me and it told me that the "team administrator" should get a mail for approvement ;)
[10:43] <\sh> slomo: no..:( give me your launchpad id :)
[10:43] <slomo> \sh: slomo
[10:43] <\sh> ogra: then u have to send me the way to you via train route ;)
[10:43] <ogra> \sh, drive to blankenheim-wald and call me :)
[10:44] <\sh> slomo: done
[10:44] <\sh> ogra: ok
[10:44] <ajmitch> morning
[10:44] <slomo> yay... gnome 2.12 finally official released :)
[10:44] <\sh> slomo: since this morning ,)
[10:44] <ogra> old news
[10:44] <chillywilly> weee
[10:45] <\sh> ogra: ok...lets say saturday around 1pm?
[10:45] <slomo> \sh: yes? hum... i read nothing about it somewhere ;) i only noticed that the red text over the press released disappeared this morning ;)
[10:45] <ogra> \sh, oki
[10:46] <\sh> slomo: this morning when dholbach and seb128 were ready with the upload ;)
[10:46] <\sh> slomo: this was for me gnome 2.12.0 ;)
[10:46] <\sh> slomo: the rest is for the public ;)
[10:46] <slomo> \sh: they started uploading the 2.12 stuff days ago ;)
[10:47] <\sh> slomo: yes..but this morning they were finished :)
[10:47] <\sh> ogra: so you have a station for loading some beer? ,-)
[10:47] <ogra> i'll care for it... dont worry
[10:48] <\sh> ogra: ah no...ok...I will put something into the coffee box ;)
[11:01] <\sh> ogra: I think we have to do some updates for the german community ,-)
[11:02] <ogra> \sh, i whish i had the time...
[11:03] <\sh> ogra: yes time
[11:03] <\sh> another beer? yes why not
[11:11] <ajmitch> wb dholbach ;)
[11:11] <\sh> re ajmitch :)
[11:11] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[11:11] <dholbach> hehe :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> \sh: pff, you didn't say hi when I came in earlier :)
[11:12] <\sh> oh
[11:12] <\sh> *shame*
[11:12] <\sh> hi ajmitch
[11:12] <ajmitch> haha
[11:12] <chillywilly> ajmitchie
[11:12] <\sh> :)
[11:19] <slomo> \sh: you will add lpi to gajim? at least Nafallo told me ;)
[11:20] <\sh> yes
[11:20] <\sh> I'm trying it to do it this week
[11:20] <slomo> \sh: ok... otherwise i would've added it to my todo list :)
[11:21] <\sh> slomo: it's low prio finally...when it comes to main inclusion then we have to take care..and at least I have to discuss this with the devs ... they're not all convinced of the advantages
[11:22] <\sh> of using rosetta
[11:24] <slomo> oh ok... then give me something else i can do ;) but no small stuff which needs someone to upload every few minutes or an amd64 to test ;)
[11:25] <\sh> slomo: well...fix gnome-phone-manager ;)
[11:26] <\sh> or any other package from unmet deps;=
[11:26] <slomo> ok... what's wrong with g-p-m? ftbfs? ;)
[11:27] <\sh> yes
[11:27] <\sh> worst case
[11:28] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look :)
[11:29] <pef> hello
[11:29] <slomo> hi pef :)
[11:30] <ajmitch> hi Arrogance
[11:31] <Arrogance> afternoon all
[11:31] <\sh> hi Arrogance
[11:32] <\sh> 30 mins to meeting
[11:32] <pef> in which chan the motu meeting will be ?
[11:33] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:33] <slomo> \sh: let's see if i can get g-p-m fixed until then ;) but currently my pbuilder is broken :(
[11:33] <\sh> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:33] <ajmitch> so is there any MOTU work left for me to do? ;)
[11:34] <slomo> ajmitch: unmet deps... see \sh 10 minutes ago ;)
[11:34] <pef> ajmitch, check my debdiff ;)
[11:34] <ajmitch> I thought you all were doing fairly well on unmet deps already ;)
[11:35] <slomo> hmm... then you can look at my packages :P
[11:36] <ajmitch> heh
[11:36] <ajmitch> I've got a couple of uncooperative packages
[11:37] <\sh> me too
[11:37] <pef> which ?
[11:37] <\sh> oh only those which doesn't have some install-deps in our archives
[11:37] <\sh> the rest is pipi
[11:37] <ajmitch> ah I did
[11:38] <slomo> "checking for chicken... must have egg first"
[11:38] <slomo> wtf?
[11:38] <ajmitch> haha
[11:38] <ogra> huh ?
[11:39] <ajmitch> auto* jokes are so old
[11:39] <ogra> where's that from ?
[11:39] <slomo> ogra: gnome-phone-manager's configure ;)
[11:39] <ogra> heh
[11:40] <slomo> \sh: g-p-m is brrrr... more lines of compiler errors than my gnome-terminal saves ;)
[11:41] <\sh> hehe...yes ;)
[11:41] <\sh> i set it to 1000
[11:42] <slomo> \sh: i have it set to 1500... doesn't help ;)
[11:43] <\sh> set it to 10000 ;)
[11:43] <ajmitch> very useful, really
[11:43] <\sh> or breezy build bla.dsc &> build.log
[11:43] <\sh> breezy is an alias to my pbuilder stuff
[11:43] <\sh> the examples directory of pbuilder is quite good ;)
[11:43] <ajmitch> pbuilder build --logfile blah
[11:44] <\sh> hmmm..think I fixed a bug with a new upstream ;)
[11:48] <dholbach> brb
[11:49] <slomo> \sh: i think i found the problem...
[11:49] <slomo> \sh: in g-p-m
[11:49] <\sh> slomo: which is ?
[11:49] <slomo> \sh: gsmlib needs cxxtransition
[11:49] <\sh> oh no
[11:50] <\sh> lemme check
[11:50] <slomo> \sh: but i'm not entirely sure yet... wait a minute
[11:51] <\sh> gsmlib (1.10-6ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[11:51] <\sh>   * renamed libgsmme1c102 to libgsmme1
[11:51] <\sh>   * debian/control: adjusted packagename, conflicts/replaces and dependencies
[11:51] <\sh>   * debian/rules: adjusted packagename
[11:51] <\sh>   * debian/rules: moved the config.{guess,sub} stuff to configure target
[11:51] <\sh> no ;) it's transitioned ,-)
[11:51] <\sh>  -- Stephan Hermann <sh@sourcecode.de>  Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:56:05 +0200
[11:52] <\sh> hey sistpoty
[11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: depends if it was done properly or not ;)
[11:52] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch: it's compiled ,-)
[11:52] <slomo> \sh: ok, wasn't the problem... the errors just look similar
[11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: I've come across a few incompletely transitioned packages
[11:53] <ajmitch> and others that didn't need done
[11:53] <slomo> ajmitch: this one is transitioned properly
[11:53] <\sh> I know...we're not perfekt ,-)
[11:53] <ajmitch> slomo: yes, and debian has libgsmme1c2 now :)
[11:53] <\sh> if you have a list and no time -> use the list
[11:53] <ajmitch> so we'll have to sort that out for breezy+1
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: but debian had the same rule like ubunut ... c102 is removed
[11:54] <\sh> and vice versa to c2
[11:54] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, I know
[11:54] <ajmitch> but we want to maintain compat
[11:54] <ajmitch> some maintainers prefered to put c2
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...but this is really a transition for breezy+1
[11:55] <ajmitch> to smooth upgrades from _really_ old packages
[11:55] <\sh> http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/frozenapps.txt
[11:55] <\sh> this is a hard stuff ,-)
[11:55] <\sh> slomo: your try ;)
[11:56] <\sh> yehia was last touched 2003 or so
[11:56] <slomo> \sh: nope... i'll fix g-p-m and get to bed after that :P
[11:56] <\sh> ace is da pain in da ass
[11:56] <slomo> i won't touch ace ever again ;)
[11:56] <ajmitch> wb dholbach
[11:56] <\sh> i mean 5 libs to cxx trans ,-)
[11:57] <dholbach> :)
[11:57] <\sh> dholbach: I'm trying to convince slomo to do the rest for cxx trans ;)
[11:57] <\sh> he asked for punishment *lol*
[11:57] <slomo> \sh: but i think the g-p-m problem really lies in gsmlib... it does some evil stuff with the lib while install ;)
[11:57] <dholbach> haha
[11:57] <\sh> slomo: hmmm....new version?
[11:58] <slomo> \sh: nope... but: chrpath -d debian/tmp/usr/bin/*
[11:58] <slomo> \sh: that can't be good
[11:58] <\sh> ugrs
[11:58] <slomo> \sh: but it's in bin anyway... so other problem...
[11:58] <\sh> ok...meeting
[11:59] <slomo> where does g-p-m come from? i can't find it in debian