[02:50] <Epix> I dont get what Edubuntu is for
[04:11] <farruinn> has there been any consideration to include BlueJ as an educational java IDE?  We use it at my school here and it's quite nice for beginning students (no frills -> allows students to focus on learning programming and not an IDE)
[04:12] <farruinn> I don't know what sort of restrictions there may be on including it since it's a java app
[08:27] <JaneW> morning
[08:30] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:00] <JaneW> hi stupid question, to which I think the answer is yes.... will ed/ubuntu 5.10 ship with Gnome 2.12?
[09:06] <jsgotangco> of course
[09:06] <jsgotangco> it already has
[09:07] <JaneW> thought so - cool thanks
[10:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[10:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: what time are the main festivities happening for SFD at Canal Walk? I want to try to get there, but am trying to co-ordinate around a flood of kiddie birthday parties...
[11:30] <magnon> morning!
[01:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: starting 9am
[01:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: ta... ending?
[01:30] <JaneW> highvoltage: will there be anything going on after 13:30?
[01:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: damn kids parties!
[01:56] <jsgotangco> gaaahhhh
[01:56] <ogra> jsgotangco, ??
[01:56] <jsgotangco> ive been cleaning up the docs
[01:56] <jsgotangco> mdz began to bug about it
[01:57] <jsgotangco> hmmm the build works great btw
[02:02] <ogra> thanks :)
[02:14] <JaneW> what's the lowest spec machines that can comfortably run edubuntu? (client not server)
[02:14] <ogra> 64MB 200Mhz ?
[02:15] <ogra> (thats a guess)
[02:15] <ogra> might work with less...
[02:16] <ogra> but i guess below 48MB memory on the thin client you get problems
[02:17] <ogra> JaneW, or did you mean the workstation version ? 
[02:18] <JaneW> yes thin client
[02:19] <JaneW> from an e-mail  recievde
[02:19] <ogra> i think cpu wise you can go down to 133Mhz ... but highvoltage would be better for an answer here...
[02:19] <JaneW> Most workstations are XP or WIN98 -based but the school also has a number of early X86 and PowerPC G3 workstations; it is these that I believe would benefit from EduBuntu.
[02:19] <JaneW> 
[02:19] <JaneW> I have experimented with Ubuntu on several X86 PCs; honestly, the system requirements for Ubuntu are too high for me to use on the older PCs.  
[02:19] <JaneW> These workstations range from 166, 200 and 233 MHz units with 64 Meg RAM and small (<1 Gig) hard drives.  
[02:19] <JaneW> I expect that many schools have equipment that is of this generation or older!
[02:19] <JaneW> Is there a distribution of Ubuntu that will bring new life to these old workhorses?
[02:19] <ogra> sounds ok...
[02:19] <JaneW> they should be fine with Edubuntu right?
[02:20] <ogra> (the specs)
[02:20] <ogra> yup... as thin clients they are good...
[02:20] <JaneW> we should actually mention spec on our wiki page and that lower range machines can work (as thin clients)
[02:20] <JaneW> great thanks
[02:22] <ogra> JaneW, to make up real specs i'd need a real LAB ;)
[02:22] <JaneW> :P
[02:22] <JaneW> don;t you have one there?
[02:23] <JaneW> I imiagne you in a white coat
[02:23] <JaneW> with your hair flying loose
[02:24] <ogra> haha
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, i have an old crappy comapq workstation as testserver and abuse my laptop as client...
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, that urgently needs to change for breezy+1, i will need some more clients etc...
[02:26] <JaneW> ogra: noted
[02:27] <ogra> i think we'll have to talkj to sabdfl at UBZ
[02:33] <JaneW> nod
[02:42] <jsgotangco> ogra, is there a chance the client can't connect at all and goes into busybox?
[02:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, when ? 
[02:42] <jsgotangco> just now
[02:42] <jsgotangco> one client did
[02:42] <ogra> haha
[02:43] <jsgotangco> now all the clients won't connect
[02:43] <ogra> before or after login
[02:43] <jsgotangco> not even with the login!
[02:43] <ogra> did you see a login screen ? 
[02:43] <jsgotangco> nada
[02:43] <jsgotangco> it goes into an nfs thing
[02:43] <jsgotangco> i expected a timeout
[02:43] <jsgotangco> but  now everyone goes into busybox
[02:43] <ogra> with a kernel panic ? 
[02:44] <jsgotangco> yeah if i mess soemthing up in the prompt
[02:44] <ogra> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12942
[02:44] <ogra> boot a second time....
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i've seen that
[02:44] <ogra> we try to track this since a while
[02:44] <jsgotangco> booting the second time won't do anything either
[02:45] <ogra> hmm, works here and for all other testers apparently... 
[02:45] <jsgotangco> strange
[02:45] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[02:46] <ogra> you did see the kernel boot ? and it stopped at nfs-{top,bottom} ?
[02:46] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i belive the kernel booted
[02:47] <jsgotangco> i'll go back to it
[02:47] <JaneW> I just got new edubuntu-devel e-mail from Monday!?
[02:48] <jsgotangco> monday?
[02:50] <JaneW> yep
[02:50] <jsgotangco> who is monday
[02:50] <JaneW> *thwap*
[02:50] <ogra> heh
[02:50] <JaneW> from Oliver, Doug and Dave :P
[02:50] <jsgotangco> oh
[02:50] <jsgotangco> you meant its a late email
[02:51] <ogra> who are doug and dave ? 
[02:53] <ogra> i dont have mails from them...
[03:00] <JaneW> From: 	doug vega <doug_vega@yahoo.ca>
[03:00] <JaneW> To: 	edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <JaneW> Subject: 	lite w/s profile
[03:00] <JaneW> Date: 	Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:50:12 -0400 (EDT)  (16:50 SAST)
[03:00] <JaneW> From: 	cormier@edactive.com
[03:00] <JaneW> To: 	edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <JaneW> Subject: 	edubuntu meanderings
[03:00] <JaneW> Date: 	Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:57:13 +0900 (KST)  (Mon, 19:57 SAST)
[03:00] <ogra> hmm, nope
[03:01] <JaneW> these arrived here like 10 mins ago - odd....
[03:01] <ogra> the latter one i have....
[03:01] <ogra> but nothing from doug vega
[03:01] <JaneW> you did reply though ;)
[03:01] <JaneW> From: 	Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
[03:01] <JaneW> To: 	edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:01] <JaneW> Subject: 	Re: lite w/s profile
[03:01] <JaneW> Date: 	Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:58:09 +0200
[03:01] <JaneW> I'll stop doing that now
[03:02] <ogra> huh ? 
[03:02] <JaneW> in case I get kicked and banned
[03:02] <JaneW> pasting stuff...
[03:02] <ogra> oh, now i see it... my evo is broken it seems...
[03:03] <ogra> i should update more often :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> i gotta crash
[03:15] <jsgotangco> laters
[03:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, any news about the thin client ? 
[03:16] <highvoltage> are html mails completely removed from the thunderbird in ubuntu?
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ogra, i'll test it out again later, i'm just too tired atm
[03:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, oki
[03:16] <jsgotangco> i'll give you an update
[03:17] <ogra> oing me if you need help 
[03:17] <ogra> or ping even
[03:17] <jsgotangco> yeah i just have to sort out this stuff in svn by today
[03:17] <ogra> highvoltage, no idea, i never used it
[03:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: not afaik... it can be set...
[03:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: I started with Thunderbird on windows and changed to evolution (also on windows) and then migrated to Ubuntu..
[03:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: I was posting html mail until mdz politely told me to stop ;)
[03:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: I started with perdepos (pegasus mail), then moved to yebo!mail, then outlook express, then pocomail, then evolution, then thunderbird, then back to evolution, and now back on thunderbird :)
[03:28] <JaneW> are you confussed or what!?
[03:28] <JaneW> thunderbird was ok, but I hated that it had no built in (or even good plug-in) calendar
[03:28] <JaneW> and I need a calendar
[03:28] <JaneW> so evolution suits me much beter
[03:29] <JaneW> decides even
[03:34] <highvoltage> i used evolution when i needed a calender, so now that i don't need all the fancy stuff that evo has i use thunderbird again.
[03:35] <highvoltage> one thing that sucks a bit, the only program i can sync my phone calender with in linux is Korganiser.
[03:36] <ogra> highvoltage, poke chmj, he does the bluetooth stuff :)
[03:38] <highvoltage> ogra: my bluetooth works fine, my phone sends .vcs files to the laptop, but only kde's stuff seems to be opening .vcs files.
[03:39] <ogra> hmm, evo imports vcf ... can you convert it ? 
[03:58] <JaneW> wow...
[04:13] <highvoltage> ogra?
[04:13] <highvoltage> oh he's gone
[04:13] <JaneW> he'll be bcak