[10:52] <\sh> Riddell: kdevelop3: kdevdesigner is not stopping  from crashing...any idea?
[10:52] <Tm_T> :o
[11:46] <Riddell> \sh: hmm no, remind me about it post-preview
[11:47] <\sh> Riddell: i just installed the debug libs...lets see where it crashes
[11:47] <Riddell> \sh: could try compiling with gcc 3.4
[11:48] <\sh> it worked for sometime
[11:50] <\sh> grmpf..need the qt dbgs as well ;)
[11:52] <\sh> Riddell: I can send the crash report via email...
[12:07] <Riddell> \sh: do you have amd64 or powerpc at all?
[12:07] <\sh> i386 only
[12:46] <Riddell> testers wanted for preview http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050908.1/
[12:48] <\sh> downloading and testing later...I have to test it on the laptop :(
[12:48] <\sh> and have to tweak the initrd :(
[12:49] <Riddell> why do you have to tweak initrd?
[12:49] <\sh> i have to do a network install
[12:49] <\sh> and for this, I need a special marvel yukon driver, which is not in the kernel
[12:50] <\sh> sk98lin driver, the kernel provided skge doesn't support my NIC
[03:44] <Riddell> sebas: got guidance working!
[04:06] <sebas> Riddell: Great!
[04:06] <sebas> Do you have the kcontrol entries?
[04:06] <sebas> I've been playing around with it yesterday, displayconfig seems to work (from kcontrol), the others not yet here.
[04:07] <sebas> Updated to breezy yesterday, though.
[04:11] <Riddell> sebas: displayconfig doesn't work at all for me, I get this error
[04:11] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/357985
[04:11] <Riddell> the others I have to add this to the .desktop file Categories=Qt;KDE;X-KDE-settings-system;
[04:12] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, you'd need the ldetect stuff. 
[04:12] <sebas> Could you e-mail me the .desktop files?
[04:12] <Riddell> sebas: what's the ldetect stuff?
[04:12] <Riddell> sebas: .desktop files are just those in current SVN with that line at the bottom
[04:12] <sebas> pci device database.
[04:14] <Riddell> icons need to be available in more sizes
[04:14] <sebas> Hm, just adding the Categories line doesn't help here.
[04:14] <sebas> /usr/share/applnk/Settings/System/mountconfig.desktop
[04:14] <sebas> In that file, right?
[04:15] <Riddell> sebas: no, in /usr/share/applications/kde/mountconfig.desktop
[04:15] <Riddell> same file though
[04:15] <sebas> Ah, thx.
[04:17] <Riddell> sebas: could I get access to the SVN repository (probably for updating the debian directory)?
[04:17] <sebas> Riddell: I'm about to move it to kdesvn, do you have access there?
[04:18] <sebas> In the meantime, could you checkout and e-mail me the patch?
[04:18] <Riddell> sebas: I do.  sorted.
[04:18] <sebas> I'll import it into kdesvn in the next days, though.
[04:18] <sebas> Have to clean up a couple of bits first :>
[04:18] <Riddell> no patch yet, but now that it's working I'll try and get it in the ubuntu archives
[04:18] <sebas> Cool :)
[04:20] <sebas> Hm, the mountconfig kcontrol module doesn't load, does it for you?
[04:20] <sebas> userconfig and serviceconfig do
[04:20] <Riddell> lo
[04:20] <Riddell> loads fine, it's a bit slow to load though
[04:21] <sebas> Hm, ok.
[04:21] <sebas> When did you update to latest svn?
[04:21] <sebas> I've done some fixes in Spain that might be worth using
[04:22] <Riddell> sebas: serviceconfig and userconfig don't close when I click the window's X close button, mountconfig does (not running inside kcontrol)
[04:22] <sebas> caching of servicedescriptions for serviceconfig being one of them
[04:22] <sebas> Ok, I'll have a look.
[04:23] <Riddell> sebas: where are the service descriptions got from?
[04:23] <sebas> dpkg
[04:23] <Riddell> genius :)
[04:24] <sebas> It's a bit ugly, admittedly, but there are no (localized) generic descriptions available anywhere...
[04:24] <Riddell> still no way to tell if it's running I guess
[04:24] <sebas> Right. :(
[04:24] <sebas> At least for the services that don't leave a .pid file anywhere.
[04:25] <Riddell> I envision a post breezy ImproveInitScripts goal
[04:26] <sebas> Bounty!!!
[04:26] <sebas> :>
[04:26] <Riddell> yep :)
[04:26] <sebas> We'd like status and  a localiz(ed|able) description for every service.
[04:27] <sebas> GST has the same description problem, but they didn't reply to my e-mails.
[04:28] <Riddell> sebas: any other plans you think we should try to make post-breezy goals? (which means they might get bountied)
[04:29] <Riddell> any other guidance modules you think should be written?
[04:29] <Riddell> I think a graphical visudo would be good
[04:29] <sebas> Yeah, we'd need some powermanagement module (PM in kcontrol is bad crap atm), and a *good* keyboard config module.
[04:30] <sebas> Graphical visudo is more or less adding users to a certain group, right?
[04:30] <sebas> At least, you could do it that way ... 
[04:31] <Riddell> yes, it would be nice if userconfig had tickboxes for "administrator" which would put them in the admin group (which by default has full sudo on kubuntu systems)
[04:31] <Riddell> but a graphical interface to the sudoers file would still be nice
[04:32] <sebas> Riddell: I've discussed that with Jan, a lot of the group stuff could be replaced by "[ ]  Is allowed to burn CD", "[x]  May gain root privileges", "[x]  May use digital camera" and so on.
[04:32] <Riddell> sebas: yes!
[04:33] <Riddell> of course that starts to get more distribution specific but it would be a lot more logical to the user
[04:33] <sebas> Well, that's more or less on our "add to todolist list" :)
[04:33] <sebas> I'm awaiting Jan's final report, though.
[04:33] <sebas> Yeah, but it'd add a hell of a lot of fun :>
[04:34] <sebas> And it's quite easy to extend, just have some data structure which maps a sentence like that to a group a user can be added to.
[04:35] <Riddell> sebas: how is the distribution detection done?  the message "This could be a Debian GNU/Linux-based system. ( Ubuntu )" doesn't sound like it's very convinced 
[04:36] <sebas> /etc/issue reveals that on most distros.
[04:38] <Riddell>  /etc/lsb-release might be more reliable
[04:40] <sebas> I can add that.
[04:49] <sebas> Riddell: Seems that most distros don't have /etc/lsb-release
[04:50] <\sh> sebas: because most distris are not lsb compliant ,)
[04:50] <Riddell> sebas: tsk, don't these things know about standards
[04:50] <sebas> \sh: Yeah, I figured that already :>
[04:50] <Riddell> well give it a year or two and I assume they will
[04:51] <sebas> I can add a check, sure.
[04:51] <sebas> First I have to prepare my presentation for software freedom day and install this website for a customer.
[06:55] <seaLne> Riddell: err installing kubuntu seems to have killed my mac, its making an extremly loud high pitched noise after it said it was about to reboot for the second part.... :-/
[07:12] <Riddell> seaLne: not a good sign
[07:47] <seaLne> Riddell: it was just after it wrote the yaboot stuff and i think it may have rebooted before starting to make that noise
[07:47] <seaLne> it dosen't do anything when turned on except make the noise now
[07:52] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm installing now on an ibook and it's not getting that problem
[07:54] <seaLne> lucky you
[07:54] <seaLne> :-/
[07:55] <seaLne> this was an smp blue G4
[08:38] <Riddell> seaLne: is the machine dead beyond repair?
[08:44] <seaLne> well its certainly currently useless, and i don't see how to change that :-(
[08:44] <Riddell> seaLne: can it boot off another CD?
[08:46] <seaLne> no, it just dosen't do anything apart from make the deafening noise otherwise it appears dead
[08:46] <Riddell> crivvens, sounds like a fried firmware
[08:47] <Riddell> can you boot holding down control-apple-o-f  to get to openfirmware?
[08:48] <seaLne> didn't try that, i'll try tommorow when i'm back in work
[08:48] <Riddell> or alt-apple-p-r should reload the openfirmware