[12:06] <nalioth> libben: you have private messages
[12:06] <libben> sorry =) yeah
[12:06] <libben> dident noticed u there 
[12:19] <libben> nalioth: 
[12:19] <libben> now what =)
[12:19] <libben> its insatlled with dpkg -i file.deb
[12:19] <nalioth> libben: prefaced with "sudo"
[12:20] <libben> java -version says | java version "1.5.0_04" | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05) | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[12:20] <libben> yeah i did sudo dpkg -i debfile
[12:20] <nalioth> libben: ok now try your cursed azureus
[12:21] <libben> need to install it again theb
[12:21] <libben> then
[12:21] <libben> it was removed with a dep
[12:21] <libben> should i install azurus from the site?
[12:21] <libben> or with apt-get ?
[12:21] <nalioth> libben: how skilled are you at linux system administration?
[12:24] <libben> well i can pipe and grep, i can the installation process pretty good,... but building my own kernel and installing packages without deb is not my thing... tryed it a couple of times... need a teacher =) I wanna learn.. but its hard when ever u got stuck u ask for help.. u get the whole solution.. when u need a good tut or more explaining. 
[12:24] <libben> ive spent many hours on reading mans.. but thats not easy for a noob either
[12:25] <nalioth> libben: got a simple solution
[12:25] <nalioth> libben: "checkinstall"
[12:25] <libben> whats that?
[12:25] <libben> program that builds debs from ppls bins ?
[12:27] <nalioth> nope
[12:27] <nalioth> it takes the place of "make install" in teh build process
[12:27] <nalioth> the debs it makes arent to debian standards, but they make it easy to remove/manipulate
[12:29] <libben> why aint it debian standards? if it now makes debs =) good q i find it yes =) reading on the authors site right now.
[12:29] <nalioth> libben: it isnt debian standard, because then it'd be "dpkg-buildpackage"
[12:29] <libben> now its just dpkg -i
[12:30] <libben> ?
[12:30] <libben> so its really no diffrence ill take it.
[12:31] <nalioth> works the same as a debian standard deb
[12:31] <nalioth> but aint one
[12:31] <libben> k
[12:31] <libben> downloading the azureus tarball file from its homepage.
[12:32] <libben> think the process was something like, ./configure and make make install something...
[12:32] <libben> its says what i should do in the readme files? if there is one 
[12:33] <nalioth> libben: correct
[12:34] <nalioth> except cursed java programs dont make or compile
[12:34] <libben> lol
[12:34] <libben> i just read it now
[12:34] <libben> lol
[12:34] <libben> so what this..
[12:34] <libben> i just extract it,.. and then run their script with ./azuerus?
[12:34] <libben> if ill understand it correctly
[12:35] <nalioth> libben: correct
[12:35] <libben> but when i installed it with the synaptic.. i could just typ azureus in terminal... and hit enter and it would start (err fail to start for me then *smiles*) how do i make this one to the whole system like that?
[12:36] <ToyMan> hmmm.  what's the command line tool for exploring which packages you have installed?
[12:36] <libben> dpkg -l
[12:36] <ToyMan> i'm getting lazy
[12:36] <ToyMan> to much pointy clicky
[12:36] <ToyMan> thanks
[12:36] <libben> better use dpkg -l | grep package
[12:36] <libben> so u have a faster and clearer view 
[12:36] <nalioth> libben azureus makes it diffecult
[12:36] <libben> like dpkg -l | grep sun for all the sun things that is installed
[12:37] <nalioth> libben: hint /usr/local/bin/   is in your $PATH
[12:37] <ToyMan> I'm getting all the debian and freebsd pkg commands crossed in my brain...
[12:38] <libben> nalioth k, thats the path for the whole system... that means what.. what should i do with it ?
[12:38] <libben> place a shortcut there ?
[12:38] <nalioth> libben: that is not the path for the whole system. /usr/bin, and /usr/sbin and /bin/ are the systems folders
[12:38] <nalioth> libben: anything YOU compile, should go in /usr/local/
[12:39] <libben> k, but i havent compiled azureus.. 
[12:39] <libben> =)
[12:39] <libben> and its nothing to compile
[12:39] <nalioth> i do not recommend this for new users (whomoever may resemble that label)
[12:39] <nalioth> libben: but i placed my azureus folder inside /usr/local/bin
[12:39] <libben> yeah, i thaught about that too
[12:39] <libben> and it worked ?
[12:40] <nalioth> yes, with some tweaking (see above: azureus makes it diffecult)
[12:41] <libben> k...
[12:41] <libben> so i should be happy with a shortcut in menu that just launches the ~./azureus
[12:42] <nalioth> libben: yes
[12:42] <libben> time to make a apps folder then and put it in there.
[12:46] <chx> Linux and nVidia rocks. There is hope that I'll find support for rotated display...
[01:00] <chx> hi. with xine I get a blue background. googled. Added Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" to xorg.conf. Have GF4MX. What now :) ?
[01:04] <chx> how can I change on the fly the bit depth? ie without restarting KDE?
[01:14] <nikkia> gah
[01:14] <nikkia> i've just spent 3 hours trying to get emacs to handle comments the way i want
[01:14] <nikkia> what a pointless waste of time
[01:16] <nalioth> nikkia: pointless?
[01:17] <nikkia> nalioth: well, i didn't succeed, and its all to avoid typing an extra '*' occasionally
[01:17] <nalioth> nikkia: the perfection is in the pursuit
[01:17] <nikkia> nalioth: not when it feels hopeless
[01:17] <nikkia> what annoys me the most, is i *HAD* this working on my knoppix system, so i know its possible
[01:18] <nikkia> but that was using 'happycoders' POS emacs scripts
[01:18] <nalioth> nikkia: so where is the .conf or .rc from teh knoppix box?
[01:18] <nikkia> and i refuse to install that just for one feature, when it makes so many other things go 'wrong'
[01:18] <nikkia> nalioth: oh, i have the scripts, just won't install them, problem is finding where in the scripts the comment handling is done
[01:18] <nikkia> happycoders is a HUGE package of 'developer settings' for emacs
[01:18] <nikkia> sadly, the bad outweighs the good, IMO
[01:19] <nalioth> nikkia: :(
[01:19] <nikkia> one thing the HC stuff does that i really hate, is mark all long lines as 'red for danger'
[01:20] <nalioth> danger danger?
[01:20] <nalioth> heh
[01:20] <nikkia> so you get lines you *can't* break, like literal strings, and they're all red because some asshat at HC thinks thats a bad programming practice
[01:20] <nalioth> nikkia: wow what a mouth :0
[01:21] <nikkia> nalioth: the issue boils down to this...
[01:21] <nikkia> i like my comments to be on lines like: "/***"  "* This is a comment" "*" " */"
[01:22] <nikkia> emacs can auto-indent and format comment blocks, by pressing alt-J instead of return, but the default doesn't put that * in the start of a continued comment line
[01:22] <nalioth> ok
[01:25] <nikkia> the situation is made worse given that 'comment' is a totally useless search word on the net
[01:25] <nikkia> all it does, is matches a trillion useless blogs
[01:26] <nalioth> nikkia: yes it does
[01:29] <nikkia> hmmm
[01:29] <nikkia> getting somewhere again
[01:32] <koalah> any problems if I kynaptic gnome?
[01:32] <nikkia> bingo! got it! :)
[01:33] <koalah> have ke and dial-up
[01:33] <koalah> *kde
[01:33] <nikkia> koalah: no problems, it'll take a while tho
[01:33] <koalah> how large approx?
[01:34] <koalah> lol
[01:34] <nikkia> somewhere around 50-100MB at a guess
[01:34] <koalah> if connection drops will it continue where it left off?
[01:35] <nalioth> koalah: install "ubuntu-desktop"
[01:36] <nalioth> koalah: yes, if you lose connection, it will pick back up
[01:36] <koalah> cool
[01:36] <nikkia> nalioth: within limits
[01:36] <nalioth> nikkia: perfection is in the pursuit
[01:36] <nikkia> nalioth: i don't think apt-get always resumes the current download, but it will resume from the start of the last package, at worst case
[01:37] <nalioth> nikkia: koalah will not have to d/l all that has gone b4
[01:37] <nikkia> nalioth: it CAN be a big deal on dialup tho, especially if you have cutoffs
[01:37] <nikkia> i had to give up on apt-get'ing OOo once for that reason, i couldn't complete one of the packages in the 2hrs before cutoff
[01:38] <nalioth> nikkia: ouch
[01:38] <nalioth> koalah: in that case, disrgard "ubuntu-desktop"
[01:38] <koalah> every 7 hours I drop, along with the annoying randoms :)
[01:39] <nikkia> nalioth: nah, ubuntu-desktop should be ok
[01:39] <koalah> it's frustrating to sau the least
[01:39] <nikkia> if it depends on anything BIG, like OOo, i think kubuntu-desktop has that anyway
[01:39] <nalioth> koalah: try gnome-desktop-environment
[01:39] <koalah> k
[01:40] <nalioth> koalah: i dont belive oOo is tacked onto that
[01:40] <nikkia> but on dialup, its unlikely you want *all* of gnome and its myriad of small utilities anyway :)
[01:40] <nalioth> koalah: so what nikkia is saying, is start synaptic and see what your gnome options are
[01:40] <nalioth> koalah: ubuntu-desktop WILL install oOo and other large things
[01:41] <koalah> just have kynaptic
[01:41] <koalah> k
[01:41] <nikkia> nalioth: basically, yeah, i'm advocating installing the basic gnome packages, then picking and choosing individual stuff, anything else will drive you mad on dialup
[01:41] <nalioth> koalah: kynaptic, synaptic, same thing
[01:41] <nalioth> nikkia: understood. did not know koalah was on a small pipe
[01:42] <nikkia> whooohooo!!
[01:42] <nikkia> one good thing came out of all my messing with emacs :)
[01:43] <nikkia> its now made it into my 'most used apps' list on the kde menu :)
[01:43] <nalioth> nikkia: perfection?
[01:43] <nikkia> been waiting weeks for that to happen, but sadly, i only start it once or twice a week usually
[01:44] <nalioth> lots of things don't work the same on ppc kubuntu, i've found
[01:58] <_mike> Hi, i installed KBFX to change my panel look in KDE...but it doesnt show up in any of my menus
[01:59] <_mike> ...
[01:59] <chx> i spent hours with X restarting...
[02:01] <yonkeltron> ok i cannot get k3b to work for some reason
[02:02] <nalioth> yonkeltron: what errors does it give you?
[02:03] <yonkeltron> it says i need to run k3bsetup2 but i can't find it like normal and cannot run it from the system
[02:03] <yonkeltron> i need to burn an iso
[02:03] <yonkeltron> and i don't have alot of time
[02:04] <nalioth> yonkeltron: did you try the k3bsetup2 from a terminal?
[02:06] <hvm> i know this is not actually a linux problem but can someone help me to set up Kontact to send and receive mail properly?
[02:07] <nalioth> hvm: i'm not familiar with kontact. i use t-bird
[02:07] <nalioth> hvm: should be fairly simple, what source is your email?
[02:09] <hvm> uh, gmail
[02:11] <nalioth> hvm: then log into your gmail account using a browser and there is a walkthrough on setting up your client
[02:11] <hvm> ok, 10x
[02:21] <chx> does this http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8674 mean that the bug mentioned herein is fixed in breezy? or is there a way to get a fix for Hoary? "libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version"  and I have exactly the same problem described here.
[02:23] <nalioth> chx: your bug is still on the loose
[02:23] <nalioth> chx: you're looking in the "resolution" field
[02:25] <chx> nalioth: look at the last comment
[02:25] <chx> please
[02:26] <chx> I was amazed when I first looked at the rotated screen though. Two thumbs up to nvidia and Linux.
[02:26] <nalioth> chx: yes i see it, but it is waiting on the pkg maintainer/bug squasher to integrate the fix
[02:26] <chx> i see... 
[02:26] <nalioth> chx: when he does, it will be 'resolved'
[02:27] <chx> though configuring screen rotation requires a pretty solid googling skill
[02:27] <nalioth> chx: you've lost me on "screen rotation"
[02:27] <chx> i spent hours to find out that I want to include Option "RandRRotation" "on" in xorg.conf .... 
[02:29] <chx> nalioth: I have a screen with a native resolution of 1680 x 1050 and you can rotate the screen counterclockwise. X11 RandR extension handles stuff. kcontrol supports it. But you need that line in xorg.conf to work. 
[02:29] <chx> landscape/portrait orientation change. portrait great for browsing and coding , landscape great for movies.
[02:29] <nalioth> chx: i have the same resolution screen. are you sayin when you rotate yours, it changes to 1050x1680 ?
[02:29] <nalioth> or is supposed to?
[02:29] <nalioth> ah ok
[02:31] <chx> nalioth: look into kcontrol , peripherals, display , you'll see a bunch of radio buttons in a group called orientation though for you , i guess, most will be disabled
[02:31] <nalioth> chx: yes, all will be disabled. (am in gnome atm, lol)
[02:31] <chx> ah, I see. 
[02:32] <chx> i just checked the 180 degrees rotation. that's fun!
[02:36] <chx> http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/acer-ferrari_4005wlmi_pro-laptop-4-n2.htm now, this is quite a something. this 15.4" TFT has the same resolution as my 20" Dell...
[02:37] <nalioth> chx: makes for awful small icons and text, i'd imagine
[02:37] <nalioth> holy smokes! i think my dell 20" rotates
[02:38] <chx> nalioth: 2005FPW -- welcome bro! :)
[02:38] <nalioth> dell 20
[02:38] <chx> nalioth: yes but dell sells many 20" LCDs
[02:38] <nalioth> " was cheaper then the apple cinema display
[02:39] <chx> nalioth: but otherwise the same as the apple cinema display. yes. that's it :)
[02:39] <nalioth> holy cow it does rotate
[02:39] <nalioth> chx: i've got it running out of my powermac
[02:40] <chx> nalioth: no wonder 'cos the only difference between the apple and the dell display is that dell choosen a backlight which is 50 nit or so lighter
[02:40] <nalioth> the reason was the $
[02:40] <chx> http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400&p=2
[02:40] <nalioth> and dell comes with a 3 year warranty (apple warranty costs extra)
[02:41] <chx> exactly. I bought mine today for ~ $600 (I am in Hungary) which is way less than the ~$800 - $1000 usual price and the $1500 price Apple asks...
[02:42] <chx> i have not planned a monitor upgrade 'till Christmas but when I saw a 20" S-IPS panel with 3yrs warranty for 125000 HUF... 
[02:43] <chx> I hoped I could buy a 19" PVA/MVA for 100 000 HUF ($500 approx). This is way , way better deal. I just check the Gladiator DVD on it and was blown away.
[02:45] <nalioth> yes, they are nice displays
[02:48] <jcta> hello I need some help. I just instaled Kubuntu half an hour ago and i can't start Firefox
[02:48] <crimsun> did you install the 'mozilla-firefox' package?
[02:48] <Xorlev> Try running it from terminal
[02:50] <jcta> I get "comand nto found"
[02:54] <chavo> jcta, kubuntu doesn't come with firefox on a standard install
[02:55] <crimsun> you need to install the 'mozilla-firefox' package
[02:55] <jcta> So, I have to install it
[02:59] <jcta> I'm downloading Firefox with Kynaptic, Tank you
[03:00] <koalah> how do I change the screen resolution of blackbox?
[03:02] <chx> anyone tried Adept on Hoary?
[03:16] <anaccount> hello everyone 
[03:16] <anaccount> does anyone know where i can obtain a kubuntu/ubuntu package of pyqt?
[03:16] <nalioth> anaccount: use synaptic
[03:17] <nalioth> anaccount: or kynaptic
[03:17] <anaccount> what package though
[03:18] <nalioth> anaccount: search in synaptic (pkg names and contents) for pyqt
[03:19] <anaccount> python-qt3 ... is that what I should install
[03:19] <nalioth> anaccount: yup, sounds good
[03:19] <anaccount> ill try it
[03:20] <anaccount> lol
[03:20] <anaccount> You need PyQt to use Aero AIO configuration utility
[03:20] <anaccount> I keep getting that
[03:21] <anaccount> even though i just installed that package
[03:27] <anaccount> nalioth still getting the same shitty errors
[03:28] <nalioth> anaccount: are you trying to run or compile?
[03:28] <anaccount> i just installed via apt-get
[03:28] <grill> hello everyone
[03:28] <anaccount> whats up grill
[03:28] <nalioth> anaccount: try this one python2.3-qt3
[03:29] <grill> what are we doing?
[03:29] <nalioth> anaccount: and this one: (you can have more than one onboard) python2.4-qt3
[03:29] <nalioth> grill: marrying python to qt
[03:29] <nalioth> grill: so something will work
[03:29] <grill> oh :(
[03:30] <grill> i just installed all the libs and devs
[03:31] <anaccount> you know ill try the 2.4 one
[03:33] <anaccount> still get the same shit errors
[03:33] <anaccount> do I have to restart
[03:34] <grill> you shouldn't unless it tells you to
[03:34] <anaccount> im trying to configure a superkaramba module
[03:34] <grill> what one?
[03:34] <anaccount> and when i try to configure it it keeps telling me that I need pyqt
[03:34] <anaccount> aero all in one
[03:35] <anaccount> for the newest karamba
[03:35] <anaccount> superkaramba that is
[03:35] <grill> did you get it from kde.looking?
[03:35] <anaccount> think so
[03:36] <anaccount> kde-look
[03:36] <anaccount> the module is from there
[03:36] <grill> apt-get has it too have you tried that?
[03:36] <nalioth> anaccount: a lot of that stuff takes tweaking (other than the stuff avail via the repos)
[03:36] <anaccount> what takes tweaking
[03:36] <anaccount> apt get has what grill
[03:37] <grill> superkaramba
[03:37] <anaccount> superkaramba in repo is .36
[03:37] <anaccount> i use .37
[03:37] <grill> oh okay
[03:38] <anaccount> what should I do
[03:38] <anaccount> ?
[03:39] <grill> i'd do a search on google and see if you can find the dep your missing
[03:39] <anaccount> its only pyqt
[03:39] <anaccount> everything else is fine
[03:40] <chavo> anaccount, try python-qt-dev
[03:40] <anaccount> got it already
[03:41] <grill> pyqt-tools?
[03:41] <anaccount> not that
[03:41] <chavo> no
[03:41] <chavo> I built it without that
[03:42] <chavo> anaccount, python2.4-qt3 ?
[03:42] <anaccount> got it
[03:43] <chavo> python2.4 not 2.3 right?
[03:44] <anaccount> I installed both
[03:44] <chavo> me too
[03:45] <chavo> hmmm you've got python2.4-dev correct?
[03:46] <nalioth> anaccount: since you are using an advanced SK, you probably dont have the libs you need
[03:46] <nalioth> anaccount: you'll probably have to compile the ones you need
[03:46] <chavo> I've built 3.7
[03:49] <anaccount> fuck it
[03:49] <anaccount> all that work for nothing
[03:50] <h17m4n> how do I check where kwin-baghira was installed?
[03:50] <grill> anaccount: you'll get the dep somewhere along the way
[03:51] <grill> h17m4n: do a file search
[03:51] <chavo> h17m4n, waht exactly do you need to know?
[03:52] <nalioth> h17m4n: dpkg -l <pkgname>
[03:52] <MCCPicky> have just been trying without success to get a swansmart turbo modem up and running in knoppix 3.8, i've given up and am now install kubuntu in the hope that will work
[03:52] <nalioth> h17m4n: that is an lowercase L not a one
[03:52] <h17m4n> well I ran sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[03:52] <h17m4n> it installed
[03:52] <h17m4n> but it's not in the theme manager
[03:52] <chavo> h17m4n, baghira is a windeco not a theme
[03:53] <nalioth> anaccount: what language is that?
[03:53] <chavo> a theme consists of windeco, style, color scheme, wallpaper, icons, etc.
[03:53] <chavo> go to Appearance and Themes -> Window Decorations
[03:54] <h17m4n> windeco? and how do I make it run?
[03:54] <h17m4n> k
[03:54] <h17m4n> thx
[03:54] <chavo> windeco = WIndow Decoration
[03:54] <h17m4n> wow
[03:54] <h17m4n> nice I found it
[03:54] <h17m4n> thx man
[03:56] <grill> okay i'm off to bed nice meeting ya'll
[04:23] <yonkeltron> nalioth: SYN
[04:23] <nalioth> yonkeltron: what?
[04:24] <yonkeltron> nalioth: i am back...sorry for the delay. i did try to run k3bsetup2 from a terminal along with K3bsetup2
[04:24] <yonkeltron> it's not installed and not available in the repos
[04:25] <nalioth> yonkeltron: my k3b runs just fine as installed by apt
[04:26] <yonkeltron> yeah but i am told that cdrecord doesn't have the proper permissions when i try to burn something and that i should run K3bsetup2 to correct the issue
[04:26] <yonkeltron> this has happened to me before on debian when first using the system
[04:26] <yonkeltron> but there was an option to run setup
[04:30] <nalioth> you installed cdrecord via apt?
[04:30] <yonkeltron> don't think so
[04:30] <yonkeltron> i installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[04:32] <nalioth> yonkeltron: remove cdrecord  and reinstall it
[04:33] <yonkeltron> sure thing
[04:33] <yonkeltron> am i purging or just removing?
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do a choose a theme for kdm instead of just a wallpaper?
[04:34] <nalioth> yonkeltron: purging if you like
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually..right now i chose a wallpaper and it won't show up..just a grey background with the login prompt in the middle
[04:35] <yonkeltron> nalioth: it wants to take out gcombust k3b kubuntu-desktop nautilus-cd-burner ubuntu-desktop as well.....i don't know if that's the best idea
[04:35] <yonkeltron> maybe i should just dpkg-reconfigure it
[04:36] <nalioth> yonkeltron: go ahead
[04:36] <nalioth> yonkeltron: take em all out
[04:36] <yonkeltron> for real?
[04:36] <nalioth> yonkeltron: we'll fix it in a minute
[04:36] <yonkeltron> ok
[04:36] <yonkeltron> gotcha
[04:36] <yonkeltron> (new to ubuntu but a veteran of debian)
[04:37] <nalioth> yonkeltron: ubuntu is debian (in a slightly more friendly package)
[04:38] <yonkeltron> yeah i am seeing that sorta
[04:39] <yonkeltron> nalioth: ok mate it's all out
[04:40] <nalioth> yonkeltron: now install cdrecord (or whatever the file was that was giving you errors)
[04:40] <yonkeltron> shall i put them all back in or just cdrecord?
[04:40] <nalioth> try just cdrecord
[04:47] <yonkeltron> nalioth: testing now
[04:48] <nalioth> yonkeltron: did it isntall most of that stuff back?
[04:48] <yonkeltron> nalioth: k3b only
[04:49] <nalioth> yonkeltron: make sure you have kubuntu- and ubuntu- desktop(s) installed b4 you upgrade to breezy
[04:50] <frank23> nalioth: why both?
[04:50] <MCCPicky> unable to open modem (ttys0) swansmart turbo, any help please
[04:50] <yonkeltron> nalioth: no good.....can't unlock the cd drive
[04:51] <nalioth> frank23: because yonkeltron had both b4 we ripped em loose
[04:51] <nalioth> yonkeltron: can you paste the error in #flood or in a pastebin? (let me know which)
[04:53] <yonkeltron> let me start k3b form a terminal and see what comes up
[04:53] <yonkeltron> nalioth: it will be in #flood
[04:56] <nalioth> yonkeltron: that's pretty weird
[04:57] <nalioth> yonkeltron: what does your sources.list look like?
[04:57] <yonkeltron> ummm
[04:57] <yonkeltron> shall i paste it?
[04:58] <nalioth> please do
[04:58] <yonkeltron> pasted
[04:59] <nalioth> yonkeltron: i'm out of my league here
[04:59] <nalioth> yonkeltron: a trip to #ubuntu is in the works for you
[05:03] <froggy25> i need some help here plz
[05:04] <nalioth> froggy25: ask
[05:04] <froggy25> does anyone know how to set up pearpc
[05:04] <froggy25> on here
[05:04] <froggy25> i have mac os 10.4 tiger
[05:04] <froggy25> and i want to try it out
[05:05] <froggy25> so do you know how to set it up
[05:05] <froggy25> i just need to get started
[05:05] <h17m4n> pearpc?
[05:06] <froggy25> its a mac emulator for windows and linux
[05:06] <h17m4n> ohh
[05:06] <h17m4n> !pearpc
[05:06] <ubotu> h17m4n: No idea
[05:07] <froggy25> great!
[05:07] <froggy25> even the great ubotu has no idea
[05:07] <nalioth> !info pearpc
[05:07] <ubotu> pearpc: (Architecture-independent PowerPC platform emulator), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 301 kB, Installed size: 812 kB
[05:07] <froggy25> cool
[05:07] <froggy25> how did you do that nalioth
[05:08] <froggy25> !info pearpc
[05:08] <ubotu> pearpc: (Architecture-independent PowerPC platform emulator), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 301 kB, Installed size: 812 kB
[05:08] <froggy25> cool
[05:08] <froggy25> !info limewire
[05:08] <froggy25> just trying something out
[05:08] <froggy25> thats all
[05:08] <froggy25> so back to topic
[05:08] <froggy25> can anyone help me here
[05:09] <h17m4n> !limewire
[05:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire ; or for a gtk-based P2P client that runs on the Gnutella network, try gtk-gnuttela
[05:09] <froggy25> oh
[05:09] <froggy25> !mplayer
[05:09] <ubotu> it has been said that mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[05:09] <froggy25> thats so sweet
[05:09] <h17m4n> does anyone use Kubuntu Package Menu?
[05:09] <froggy25> i dont know 
[05:09] <froggy25> if i do
[05:10] <froggy25> actually
[05:10] <h17m4n> it's an addon
[05:10] <froggy25> ok
[05:10] <froggy25> how do i get it
[05:10] <h17m4n> allows you to right click deb packages and install them
[05:10] <frank23> how do I browse for samba shares on my network?
[05:10] <h17m4n> if you find out, tell me
[05:11] <froggy25> ok
[05:11] <h17m4n> Kubuntu Package Menu: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[05:11] <h17m4n> small feature, but nice
[05:12] <froggy25> hold on h17m4n
[05:12] <froggy25> i got it
[05:12] <thoreauputic>  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[05:12] <thoreauputic> bah
[05:12] <thoreauputic> sorry
[05:15] <froggy25> thanks thoreauputic
[05:15] <froggy25> i had it handled though
[05:16] <froggy25> thank you h17m4n for mentioning that
[05:16] <froggy25> is there one for rpm files too
[05:17] <froggy25> or do it still extract the deb file from them
[05:17] <froggy25> and right click
[05:17] <froggy25> and install
[05:17] <h17m4n> np :)
[05:17] <h17m4n> for rpm files
[05:17] <h17m4n> they're for redhat
[05:17] <h17m4n> deb are for debian based distros
[05:17] <h17m4n> but you could use alien to convert an rpm to deb
[05:18] <h17m4n> !alien
[05:18] <ubotu> I guess alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[05:18] <froggy25> yeah i use that
[05:18] <froggy25> alot
[05:18] <h17m4n> cool
[05:18] <froggy25> but now i dont have to
[05:18] <froggy25> i guess
[05:18] <froggy25> ive been doing the dpkg -i filename.deb
[05:18] <froggy25> route
[05:18] <froggy25> its tiresome
[05:19] <froggy25> you know
[05:19] <froggy25> is there any other addons at all that i should know about
[05:19] <hater2win> hey guys
[05:20] <Spudchat> is there a keyboard command to lock the session?
[05:21] <froggy25> spudchat:  i dont think so
[05:21] <Spudchat> k thx
[05:21] <froggy25> spudchat:  if there was you would set it up in the kde menu editor
[05:21] <hater2win> how do i apply i theme? i know i need a qt package but which one?
[05:21] <nalioth> alien is good, but try to find whatever it is in the ubuntu repos first
[05:21] <froggy25> i do nalioth
[05:22] <froggy25> but i use it for like when i installed limewire
[05:22] <froggy25> hater2win:  is that theme a tar.bz2 file
[05:23] <h17m4n> well
[05:23] <h17m4n> you could install limewire from apt-get
[05:23] <froggy25> really
[05:24] <froggy25> well i already have it
[05:24] <froggy25> i got it from limewire.com
[05:24] <hater2win> froggy25: yes i think so
[05:24] <froggy25> well check it
[05:24] <froggy25> hater2win
[05:24] <froggy25> and if i dont install then its not a theme package for kde
[05:25] <froggy25> where did you get it,  hater2win
[05:25] <hater2win> froggy25:  yes it is a tar.bz2
[05:25] <hater2win> got it from kde-look.org
[05:26] <froggy25> well go into your control center
[05:26] <froggy25> its in your k menu
[05:26] <froggy25> go to appearance
[05:26] <froggy25> and then to theme manager
[05:26] <froggy25> once youre there 
[05:26] <froggy25> click on install new theme
[05:27] <froggy25> and find that theme package
[05:27] <froggy25> and hit ok
[05:27] <hater2win> ah nice nice
[05:27] <hater2win> now how do i install window decorations
[05:27] <hater2win> tar.bz2 also
[05:27] <froggy25> what window decorations do you want
[05:27] <hater2win> its called softcrystal
[05:28] <hater2win> i already downloaded it
[05:28] <froggy25> ok hold on
[05:28] <hater2win> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330
[05:28] <hater2win> theres the link
[05:28] <froggy25> oh do you want it to look like window xp
[05:29] <hater2win> well
[05:29] <nalioth> use xpde for a windows look
[05:29] <hater2win> i just want that one
[05:29] <nalioth> xpde is a desktop
[05:29] <froggy25> do you know how to find synaptic in your k menu
[05:29] <hater2win> yeah
[05:29] <hater2win> i have synaptic
[05:29] <froggy25> go to it
[05:29] <froggy25> and look for baghira
[05:30] <froggy25> thats much cooler then this
[05:30] <froggy25> its a mac os x theme
[05:30] <froggy25> i have it 
[05:30] <froggy25> my desktop looks completely like a mac
[05:30] <hater2win> heh, well yes thats all fun and nice but how about the soft crystal one?
[05:31] <froggy25> i think you'll have to install it by source
[05:31] <froggy25> windows decorations doesnt have an installer on it
[05:31] <h17m4n> froggy25: how do you change the menubar?
[05:32] <h17m4n> I got baghira too
[05:32] <hater2win> yeh, i know the command but i just dont know the pack for qt that i need
[05:32] <h17m4n> want the menu to match it
[05:32] <froggy25> what color theme are u using with baghira
[05:32] <froggy25> brushed metal?
[05:33] <h17m4n> yeah
[05:33] <froggy25> ill tell you what i did
[05:33] <froggy25> i went online
[05:33] <froggy25> and found a picture of itunes
[05:33] <froggy25> and copied a piece of the brushed metal off of it
[05:34] <froggy25> and put it into kolourpaint
[05:34] <h17m4n> and set it as the menus background?
[05:34] <froggy25> yep
[05:34] <h17m4n> cool
[05:34] <froggy25> and stretched it out
[05:34] <froggy25> now it matches the rest
[05:34] <froggy25> how do you have the bottom bar looking
[05:34] <h17m4n> what about a matching icon set... you got one or is it default?
[05:35] <h17m4n> right now I just have the original one
[05:35] <froggy25> kde-look.org
[05:35] <h17m4n> I installed baghira like 30 mins ago
[05:35] <froggy25> i have the cursors for mac os jaguar
[05:35] <froggy25> i got them from kdelook also
[05:36] <froggy25> hold on h17
[05:36] <h17m4n> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=2242
[05:36] <froggy25> yeah that will work
[05:36] <froggy25> looks like them
[05:36] <froggy25> i have a mac
[05:36] <froggy25> but its broke
[05:37] <froggy25> so i make this look like it
[05:37] <froggy25> that theme should work
[05:37] <froggy25> as long as its a tar.bz2 file
[05:37] <h17m4n> my cousin had a imac... and he was about to trash it
[05:37] <froggy25> really
[05:37] <froggy25> why
[05:38] <h17m4n> I dunno if he did.. he didn't have the installation disks
[05:38] <froggy25> hell i need one
[05:38] <froggy25> i have the install disks
[05:38] <froggy25> for tiger
[05:38] <h17m4n> someone else gave it to him cos it was messed up, and that person lost the disk set
[05:38] <froggy25> what was wrong with it
[05:38] <froggy25> what type of mac was it
[05:38] <h17m4n> it seemed like someone messed with the system files
[05:38] <froggy25> i had a imac g4
[05:39] <froggy25> oh
[05:39] <h17m4n> it wouldn't access the net
[05:39] <h17m4n> all it would do is play cds and thats it
[05:39] <froggy25> yeah he needed to reinstall it
[05:39] <h17m4n> or install linux :)
[05:39] <froggy25> hell couldnt he have got it off of limewire or something
[05:39] <froggy25> yeah he could have installed ubuntu
[05:39] <h17m4n> well he's a complete noob
[05:40] <froggy25> i have tiger
[05:40] <froggy25> and i got it off of limewire
[05:40] <h17m4n> not just a mac noob.... but a complete computer noob
[05:40] <froggy25> and its real
[05:40] <froggy25> oh
[05:40] <h17m4n> cool
[05:40] <froggy25> i saw a g3 imac
[05:40] <froggy25> at a pawn shop
[05:40] <froggy25> the other day
[05:40] <h17m4n> tiger is the last one right?
[05:40] <froggy25> yeah
[05:40] <froggy25> the mac was 250 dollars
[05:41] <froggy25> and i live in alabama
[05:41] <h17m4n> 250?
[05:41] <froggy25> yeah
[05:41] <h17m4n> hmm
[05:41] <froggy25> people down here dont use macs
[05:41] <h17m4n> and he got it free
[05:41] <froggy25> yeah
[05:41] <froggy25> i want that g3 mac
[05:41] <froggy25> he had everything
[05:41] <froggy25> for 250
[05:41] <froggy25> thats crazy
[05:41] <h17m4n> I'm not a mac user.. i've always owned x86 machines... and an amd64 now
[05:42] <froggy25> really
[05:42] <pussfeller> why didnt you buy it
[05:42] <h17m4n> but I would want to own a mac
[05:42] <nalioth>  macs are coolness
[05:42] <froggy25> i dont have the money yet
[05:42] <froggy25> i cant work
[05:42] <pussfeller> macs are run by a dude who is just as powermad as bill gates
[05:42] <nalioth> think of it like this: most mac users dont have to worry about weird hardware configurations
[05:42] <h17m4n> mac are sleek
[05:42] <froggy25> or viruses
[05:43] <froggy25> apple wont give out their source codes
[05:43] <h17m4n> Eddie Jobs
[05:43] <froggy25> who can make a virus without that
[05:43] <h17m4n> or something like that
[05:43] <pussfeller> apple is sue crazy as well
[05:43] <h17m4n> right?
[05:43] <froggy25> do you have a problem with apple pussfeller
[05:43] <froggy25> yeah h
[05:43] <froggy25> no 
[05:43] <pussfeller> not really, i just dont get all the geek love
[05:44] <froggy25> steve jobs
[05:44] <kingfish600> is breezy out on kubuntu to?
[05:44] <froggy25> is apple ceo
[05:44] <h17m4n> steve jobs yeah
[05:44] <froggy25> no
[05:44] <pussfeller> i do plan on buying an ipod tho
[05:44] <froggy25> breezy wont be out till october
[05:44] <froggy25> i have one
[05:44] <h17m4n> x86 macs... hmm
[05:44] <froggy25> they are sweet
[05:44] <kingfish600> testing it now
[05:44] <pussfeller> do they skip when you jog
[05:44] <froggy25> no
[05:44] <kingfish600> i'm downloading colony 4
[05:44] <froggy25> they dont skip at all
[05:44] <pussfeller> even the hd based ones?
[05:45] <froggy25> nope
[05:45] <froggy25> hd dont make them
[05:45] <froggy25> apple does
[05:45] <froggy25> hp has their name on it
[05:45] <froggy25> thats all
[05:45] <pussfeller> hard drive vs flash based
[05:45] <h17m4n> no
[05:45] <pussfeller> is wht i mean by hd
[05:45] <froggy25> hard drive
[05:45] <h17m4n> he means the hard disk
[05:45] <froggy25> more space
[05:45] <froggy25> mine is 40 gb
[05:45] <pussfeller> yeah, the ipods vs the shuffles, at least till this new one came out
[05:46] <froggy25> 10,000 songs
[05:46] <froggy25> can go on there
[05:46] <pussfeller> i was gonna get a shuffle cause i figure it wouldnt skip and its so tiny
[05:46] <pussfeller> but now these new ones are fetching
[05:46] <froggy25> get a mini
[05:46] <h17m4n> and you spent 10,000 usd on songs?
[05:46] <pussfeller> heh
[05:46] <froggy25> no
[05:46] <froggy25> i dont buy my songs
[05:46] <froggy25> i dont even have a credit card
[05:46] <usrx> mini is being replaced
[05:46] <h17m4n> you borrow samples :)
[05:47] <pussfeller> call the RIAA
[05:47] <pussfeller> !!
[05:47] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:47] <ubotu> I guess ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:47] <usrx> ipod nano
[05:47] <froggy25> i have limewire
[05:47] <froggy25> remember
[05:47] <pussfeller> the bots reveal themselves
[05:47] <froggy25> and i dont care if the RIAA knows
[05:47] <froggy25> either
[05:47] <h17m4n> !mac
[05:47] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, h17m4n
[05:47] <usrx> http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/
[05:48] <froggy25> you dont download your music from p2p
[05:48] <pussfeller> emule is the shizzle for whole albums and collections....
[05:48] <froggy25> i use bit torrent
[05:48] <froggy25> for whole albums
[05:48] <h17m4n> wow nice
[05:48] <froggy25> i can get a whole album 
[05:49] <froggy25> which is from70 mb to 150 mb
[05:49] <froggy25> in about 30 minutes
[05:49] <froggy25> if there alot of seeders on there
[05:49] <froggy25> does anyone else use bit torrent
[05:49] <pussfeller> all the time
[05:49] <h17m4n> well I had a cable connection that let me download the iso of a whole disk in 22 mins
[05:49] <froggy25> cool
[05:49] <pussfeller> but mostly for anime and manga these days
[05:49] <froggy25> cool
[05:50] <frank23> this is pretty offtopic... 
[05:50] <h17m4n> emule is nice
[05:50] <froggy25> i get my episodes of entourage with bit torrent
[05:50] <pussfeller> mldonkey works pretty good too
[05:50] <froggy25> whats up frank
[05:50] <froggy25> no one else is chatting
[05:51] <froggy25> if someone would start a kde topic up
[05:51] <froggy25> we would be chatting about that
[05:51] <froggy25> you know
[05:51] <marndt> Hi all, I'm not familar with kubuntu...I just installed it tonight after getting sick of Gnome
[05:51] <froggy25> ok
[05:51] <frank23> no the problem is p2p use to download illegally
[05:51] <froggy25> marndt
[05:51] <pussfeller> you made a wise choise marndt 
[05:51] <froggy25> ok
[05:51] <froggy25> well guys 
[05:51] <marndt> I've successfully configured my wlan0 card via ndiswrapper
[05:51] <h17m4n> IMO kde looks much better
[05:52] <h17m4n> and is easier
[05:52] <froggy25> lets stop talking illegally 
[05:52] <froggy25> i guess
[05:52] <marndt> however, when I go to the control center things are grayed-out after I select Administration Mode
[05:52] <froggy25> did you install all of the packages for kde marndt
[05:52] <frank23> marndt: kcontrol is pretty inconsistent. try sudo kcontrol to start it
[05:52] <froggy25> in synaptics
[05:53] <froggy25> marndt
[05:53] <h17m4n> press the K, Run Command, Click Options, check Run as Different User, Username: root Password: yourpass, and type synaptic in the command
[05:53] <marndt> froggy25, I'm not sure if I installed all of the packages for kde...how do I check?
[05:53] <froggy25> you have to go into administration mode
[05:53] <marndt> frank23, I will try that
[05:53] <froggy25> become the root user
[05:53] <h17m4n> marndt, try what I told you
[05:53] <froggy25> thats why it is greyed out
[05:53] <h17m4n> that's the best way
[05:53] <froggy25> become the root
[05:54] <h17m4n> no
[05:54] <froggy25> what
[05:54] <h17m4n> run synaptic as root
[05:54] <froggy25> no
[05:54] <pussfeller> its greyed out, not because he is missing packages, but because he is not authorized, as that user, to messs with those settings
[05:54] <frank23> anyone know of a music player for kde that can play from a samba share?
[05:54] <froggy25> thats what i just said
[05:54] <h17m4n> yeah
[05:54] <froggy25> i dont know frank
[05:54] <pussfeller> any player will 
[05:54] <h17m4n> the easiest way is to Run Command as root
[05:54] <usrx> smbmount...
[05:55] <froggy25> is usrx a bot
[05:55] <usrx> hah
[05:55] <pussfeller> its mounted as a directory somewhere in your tree, you should have access to it
[05:55] <usrx> nope
[05:55] <chavo> just use smb:\
[05:55] <frank23> ok... yeah I haven't mounted the smb share
[05:55] <froggy25> oh
[05:55] <froggy25> sorry usrx
[05:55] <usrx> np
[05:55] <chavo> frank23, just use smb:/ in the opeb dialog or konq
[05:55] <froggy25> frank do you also have a windows computer as well
[05:56] <pussfeller> i dont know how the gui tools work for samba, i just put it in fstab manually
[05:56] <pussfeller> smb:/ in konqy wont mount it
[05:56] <h17m4n> lol marndt, I just realized I told you the wrong thing.... it's because I'm used to running synaptic that way so much.... just type kcontrol in the command box
[05:57] <chavo> no need to mount it, just put smb:/server/share in konq
[05:57] <h17m4n> if you run if from a terminal, if you close the terminal, it gets closed too
[05:57] <chavo> that's smb://server/share
[05:57] <frank23> chavo: that doesn't work for Juk for wxample
[05:58] <froggy25> i just put that in chavo, and i got an error
[05:58] <froggy25> possibly a bug
[05:58] <chavo> yeah me too,
[05:58] <froggy25> wonder why
[05:58] <chavo> all my music on my linux box, so I never tried to do that
[05:59] <frank23> I'm sure if I mounted the samba share somewhere it would work fine
[05:59] <chavo> frank23, yes
[05:59] <froggy25> have you tried to go into konq and hitting networks
[06:00] <froggy25> and hitting add a network folder
[06:00] <froggy25> if you dont know how to configure that 
[06:00] <froggy25> you can find out how on the web
[06:00] <froggy25> because i have no idea how frank
[06:01] <froggy25> do you think that would work, chavo
[06:01] <chavo> hmm kaffeine works over network
[06:01] <frank23> froggy25: I'm sure I can find it, I just haven't looked yet
[06:01] <froggy25> but i think that would work
[06:02] <froggy25> http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=streaming+music+with+samba&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
[06:02] <frank23> chavo: Yes I know I'm using kaffeine now, but I would like to set up an audio player that can manage the whole collection and everything
[06:02] <froggy25> try this link frank
[06:02] <hater2win> does ANYBODY know the package you need for window decorations?
[06:03] <froggy25> windows decorations at kde-look.org
[06:03] <pussfeller> just mount it and you wont have any problems after that
[06:03] <froggy25> find any of them
[06:03] <froggy25> you have to install it manually
[06:03] <pussfeller> i dont know the kubuntu way to do that
[06:03] <froggy25> to do what
[06:03] <pussfeller> mount smb sahres 
[06:04] <froggy25> oh
[06:04] <froggy25> i dont either
[06:04] <froggy25> i dont need to
[06:04] <froggy25> have no use with that
[06:04] <pussfeller> maybe if you plug in the u/p in the kcontrol network shares thing, it sticks them in /mnt automatically or something
[06:04] <frank23> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba this should hel[p
[06:05] <pussfeller> i was really disgusted to find that XP wont let you put a pass on shares
[06:05] <pussfeller> how cheap can you get
[06:05] <froggy25> yeah
[06:05] <pussfeller> well xp home
[06:05] <_marndt> hi people, i ran Control Center via Shell using: sudo kcontrol
[06:05] <froggy25> no dude
[06:05] <_marndt> when, I attempt to activate my wlan0, it deactivates immediately
[06:05] <froggy25> go to kcontrol
[06:06] <froggy25> and go to system admin
[06:06] <frank23> _marndt: I never could enable wireless using kcontrol, I always had errors like yours
[06:06] <froggy25> and look at the bottom close to defaults
[06:06] <froggy25> click on administrator mode
[06:06] <froggy25> and put your password in
[06:06] <frank23> _marndt: my solution was to install gnome-system-tools and use network-admin
[06:06] <froggy25> and click on ok
[06:07] <froggy25> that should work _marndt
[06:07] <frank23> froggy25: that didn't work for me either
[06:07] <froggy25> really
[06:07] <froggy25> it does for me
[06:07] <frank23> froggy25: kcontrol is buggy
[06:07] <froggy25> get system setting from synaptics
[06:07] <froggy25> thats a addon
[06:08] <froggy25> looks like system preferences on mac
[06:08] <froggy25> thats what i mainly use
[06:08] <froggy25> but you know what
[06:08] <_marndt> so do a sudo apt-get install what?
[06:09] <froggy25> hold on
[06:09] <_marndt> by the way, you guys are great...much better than #ubuntu
[06:09] <pussfeller> so does ndiswrapper work for you guys
[06:10] <froggy25> put apt-get install kde-systemsettings
[06:10] <froggy25> is that what you wanted
[06:10] <froggy25> with sudo at the beginning
[06:10] <froggy25> or just su
[06:11] <nalioth> froggy25: sudo is safer
[06:11] <froggy25> oh
[06:11] <froggy25> i use su
[06:11] <frank23> froggy25: I don't have that package available, kde-systemsettings
[06:12] <froggy25> umm
[06:13] <chavo> frank23, mounting the share works for me
[06:13] <_marndt> I receive an error that states the package couldn't be found
[06:13] <froggy25> frank, you need backports in your repositories to get that
[06:13] <_marndt> pussfeller, it worked for me
[06:13] <froggy25> !backports
[06:13] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:14] <pussfeller> i would just use what frank said, the gnome thing
[06:14] <h17m4n> froggy25: check this one out: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23535
[06:14] <pussfeller> or not
[06:15] <froggy25> sweet one h
[06:15] <pussfeller> su and sudo are the same, in this context
[06:15] <froggy25> they are
[06:15] <froggy25> i tried this once
[06:16] <froggy25> baghira with kxdocker
[06:16] <froggy25> kxdocker is a piece of crap
[06:16] <froggy25> makes my computer freeze up
[06:17] <pussfeller> yeah i never had much luck with those things
[06:17] <pussfeller> i got an old computer too and dont need all the eye candy
[06:18] <froggy25> h17m4n: man that is so sweet
[06:19] <_marndt> I added the respository, but when I type: sudo apt-get install kde-systemsettings, the package cannot be found
[06:20] <froggy25> umm
[06:20] <froggy25> i dont know then
[06:20] <h17m4n> yeah it is. I hope they make a tar.gz of it... I don't want to go into CVS
[06:21] <froggy25> i trying to use one of the icons for system settings on my upper bar
[06:21] <froggy25> on the left side 
[06:23] <froggy25> ok now i have a problem
[06:24] <froggy25> i have the desktop menu bar on
[06:24] <froggy25> and i added an application to it to move to the left side
[06:24] <froggy25> the icon is distorted
[06:24] <froggy25> i need it to look like it should look 
[06:24] <froggy25> how do i do that
[06:25] <_marndt> someone mentioned the gnome system settings
[06:25] <_marndt> how could I install the gnome system settings?
[06:25] <froggy25> hey i have to go my gf imed me
[06:25] <froggy25> i be back later
[06:32] <h17m4n> what system settings?
[06:32] <pussfeller> sudo apt-get install gnome-system-tools
[06:32] <pussfeller> man... gnome just got a menu editor!
[06:32] <pussfeller> im switching like now
[06:33] <nalioth> pussfeller: just now? i thought smeg has been around a while
[06:34] <pussfeller> i just read on slashdot that a new version of gnome included that, and i couldnt resist
[06:34] <pussfeller> i know what they were trying to accomplish and i give them the props
[06:35] <hater2win> whats the package uninstall command?
[06:36] <nalioth> hater2win: use kynaptic and mark it for removal
[06:37] <hater2win> know the command though
[06:37] <nalioth> hater2win: in a terminal: "sudo apt-get remove <pkgname>"
[06:38] <hater2win> ty
[06:38] <hater2win> nalioth: do you know how to make something work with the command line
[06:38] <hater2win> if i install azureus
[06:39] <hater2win> how do i make it run just by typing in azureus
[06:39] <nalioth> you cd into the azureus directory and type ./azureus
[06:39] <lwizardl> hi
[06:40] <hater2win> nalioth: ty
[06:41] <lwizardl> can someone tell me what i need to do to mount a ntfs partition as readible in kubuntu? i have my drivers for nvidia graphics, and nforce on it
[06:41] <nalioth> !tell lwizardl about ntfs
[06:41] <nalioth> lwizardl: ubotu sends love
[06:43] <lwizardl> nalioth: thanks
[06:44] <nalioth> lwizardl: np
[06:45] <marndt> I'm out of ideas to get my wlan0 activated
[06:45] <marndt> can anyone help?
[06:48] <marndt> hello?
[06:49] <nalioth> marndt: ask in #ubuntu
[07:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the deal with these .desktop files that i download from kde-look.org?
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are only 1kb and can't be displayed by kdm
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> are they links to pics on the web?
[07:10] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: no, .desktop files tell your DM how to display things
[07:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> then how can i click on it in kdm manager and see a picture?
[07:11] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: open it with a txt editor and see what it is supposed to do
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just did.
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a regular .desktop file.
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it names an image that isn't on my computer per search.
[07:12] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: then back to kde-look to get it
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it's displaying.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can see the picture in kdm manager.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> where is that picture coming from?
[07:15] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, you're nick is very distracting, I'd try to help but I can't concentrate on what you're typing
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> my nick is making it hard to read my text?
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't believe it.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to make Konquerer keep my display settings so it is altways in detail view?
[07:17] <chavo> looks like you're screaming for attention
[07:18] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, set up your view just how you like and save a profile
[07:18] <chavo> it should remember your view settings though
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> profile?
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> how?
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it always goes back to ridiculous icon view.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> especially in those little file windows that pop up when saving and choosing background images and such.
[07:20] <chavo> open / save windows don't seem to be saving for me either, I always use icon view anyway
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't figure out how to change the view now.
[07:22] <chavo> view -> view mode
[07:22] <chavo> in konq
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see anything labeled "view"
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..duh.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i keep forgetting that the menu is at the top
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just stopped using gnome
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is finally good enough to make me sacrifice looks for quality.
[07:26] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, it's so ugly http://2sdw.com/images/09-07-dirty.jpg
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> with a lot of tweaking kde can look decent
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, that's a great example of how tacky looking kde is.
[07:27] <chavo> tacky how?
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> like poor color choice, over-done icons...
[07:27] <nalioth> ratpoison is the best <snort>
[07:27] <chavo> poor color choice? I chose them myself
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> doh
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i dunno..it just doesn't look nice and clean.
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't have that sleek minimalistic modern look.
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like how the newer gnome icons look so soft and colorful, but not too cartoonish.
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos had the best icons though.
[07:29] <chavo> well I think those icons are great, I didn't like them at first but they fit with any color scheme
[07:30] <chavo> there's also a port of the gperfection icon set at kde-look.org
[07:30] <chavo> you know you can change your icons right?
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have changed my icons.
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just didn't know i could use gperfection2
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i actually found a pretty sweet icon set for kde.
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> lemme show you a screenshot dude.
[07:32] <Parisi> How is kubuntu compared to standard Ubuntu in terms of performance?
[07:32] <Parisi> As in responsiveness
[07:32] <chavo> for me kde is way faster
[07:33] <Parisi> I see.
[07:33] <Parisi> I dont really like Gnome to begin with.
[07:33] <nalioth> Parisi: it's all in the tuning
[07:33] <Parisi> But i havent tried Kub yet
[07:33] <Parisi> I am just using KDE under Freebsd and its fast as ***
[07:34] <Parisi> I'll try Kun anyways
[07:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> Parisi kubuntu isn't going to be different.
[07:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just a different desktop environment.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> mainly it will look and feel different.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i prefer kde after using gnome for years.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just switched to kde.
[07:37] <Parisi> Heh.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can't even configure your menu in gnome.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> the one pain of kde is however, it won't recognize my "multi-media" keys.
[07:37] <Parisi> gnome is not intuitive at all
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> for shortcuts and stuff.
[07:37] <Parisi> I see.
[07:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it is very intuitive.
[07:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think kde takes a lot of figuring out.  it feels more like windows in structure, but you can tweak it so much.  configurability is what makes it so good.
[07:38] <Parisi> Well, you've used it for years '[
[07:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> true..but i always thought it just made sense.
[07:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyway, how can i set a profile in konquerer to be my default one?
[07:38] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, you can get your multimedia keys to work
[07:38] <Parisi> Perhaps because i do come from a windows background from the most part.
[07:39] <Parisi> I'll brb
[07:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> chavo how?!
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> in gnome they Just Worked
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> to borrow a term from M$
[07:41] <nalioth> from apple?
[07:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> whatever
[07:41] <hater2win> does anybody know the qt3 package that I need to use different window decorations?
[07:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i haven't used a proprietary operating system since beos.
[07:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> chavo ??
[07:42] <nalioth> hater2win: which package is called for?
[07:44] <hater2win> http://pastebin.com/357717
[07:44] <hater2win> nalioth: http://pastebin.com/357717
[07:46] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, open up the kmix window and right click the volume slider
[07:46] <chavo> then click configure shortcuts
[07:49] <nalioth> hater2win: you need your kde -dev pkg(s)
[07:49] <hater2win> what are those?
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> word
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> kmix?
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> me?
[07:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> my sound is working fine dude.
[07:53] <nalioth> hater2win: open synaptic and search for "-dev"   in the results scroll to the "k" section
[07:54] <nalioth> hater2win: look for kde(something)-dev
[07:55] <hater2win> hmm, kk sec
[07:55] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, configure the shortcuts for your keyboard there dude
[07:56] <chavo> man I'm not going to help you anymore
[07:56] <hater2win> nalioth: there is a whole bunch of kde(stuff) -dev s
[07:57] <nalioth> hater2win: lemme look
[07:58] <nalioth> hater2win: kde-base-dev, kde-devel, kdelibs4-dev  should take care of it
[07:59] <hater2win> nalioth: ty
[08:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i get gperfection2 for kde?
[08:07] <hater2win> nalioth: thanks alot, it works like a charm
[08:08] <hater2win> whats the make install cleaner command?
[08:08] <hater2win> make install clean?
[08:08] <nalioth> hater2win: np
[08:08] <hater2win> clean install?
[08:08] <nalioth> hater2win: well, in the future, use "checkinstall" rather than "make install"
[08:08] <nalioth> checkinstall will make a deb for easy system maintenance
[08:08] <hater2win> heh yeah i just realized that right now
[08:09] <nalioth> and the "make clean" will take the source code back to the point of when you unpacked it
[08:09] <hater2win> nalioth: thanks
[08:10] <nalioth> believe me, checkinstall is a blessing
[08:11] <hater2win> i bet
[08:17] <nalioth> howdy
[08:31] <aftertaf> hi all.....
[08:32] <nalioth> aftertaf: you overslept
[08:32] <aftertaf> mornfall, another sigsegv to post backtrace... what's the site again?
[08:32] <aftertaf> loool
[08:32] <aftertaf> nah, i tried doing things before i logged on. bad idea too!
[08:33] <aftertaf> hmpf i wanna throw a little web site together, but i can't ftp to my homepage to upload: damn http proxy :/
[08:35] <mornfall> aftertaf: bugs.kde.org by now :)
[08:39] <libben> nalioth awake allready ? =)
[08:41] <nalioth> libben: i am awake all night CST
[08:42] <libben> ooh so u havent got any sleep yet =)
[08:42] <libben> just woke up from our session last nite
[08:43] <libben> and still azureus wont run =(... 
[08:43] <nalioth> i wake up around 4pm CST US, and am awake until 5 or 6 the next morning
[08:43] <libben> dont get it really. done everything right.
[08:43] <nalioth> libben: have you tried starting it from the terminal?
[08:44] <libben> yes
[08:44] <libben> and it never pops up
[08:45] <libben> it just stalls and never says a thing.
[08:47] <libben> http://pastebin.com/357748
[08:47] <libben> thats the output from a ps fux | grep azu
[08:48] <mornfall> --> work
[08:48] <mornfall> laters
[08:50] <nalioth> libben: what kind of java did you install?
[08:50] <nalioth> libben: what does "java --version" return to you?
[08:51] <libben> nalioth when i type it like u do... it tells me virtual java machine could not be created.
[08:51] <libben> if i do it with just one -version
[08:51] <libben> it pops up
[08:51] <libben> java version "1.5.0_04"
[08:51] <libben> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05)
[08:51] <libben> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[08:52] <nalioth> i dont understand why azureus wont start
[08:52] <nalioth> delete your ~/.azureus and the azureus folder 
[08:52] <nalioth> re download it and try again
[08:54] <libben> now i have azureus installed from synaptic... 
[08:56] <jimmy_neutron> hi
[08:56] <jimmy_neutron> anybody knows how i can start kbootsplash after installing it?
[08:57] <nalioth> libben: remove it with synaptic
[08:57] <nalioth> libben: had this problem earlier today
[08:57] <libben> ive allready removed it completly... now im downloading tarball from az.sf site
[08:58] <nalioth> good show
[09:00] <libben> http://pastebin.com/357752
[09:01] <libben> nalioth ?
[09:01] <nalioth> yes?
[09:02] <libben> pastebin
[09:02] <nalioth> still not working?
[09:03] <libben> StartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process.
[09:03] <libben> just got that line =)
[09:04] <libben> from terminal
[09:04] <aftertaf> ok mornfall 
[09:06] <Red_Bullet> h1
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> can i start repos in Kynaptic
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> ?
[09:07] <aftertaf> hi... wahat do you mean by 'start' repos ?
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> ee
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> i would to 
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> start xfce 
[09:07] <Red_Bullet> to my kubuntu
[09:08] <Red_Bullet> but i didn't know how
[09:08] <Red_Bullet> and i ask in #ubuntu
[09:08] <jimmy_neutron> ./configure says "Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. please check your installation" <-- which package is missing?
[09:08] <Red_Bullet> but they tell me how to do in ubuntu
[09:08] <libben> with synaptic ill guess ? =)
[09:08] <Red_Bullet> and in ubuntu i must first start repositories
[09:09] <nalioth> jimmy_neutron: your qt dev librarys are missing
[09:09] <chavo> he needs to add repos I'm guessing
[09:09] <Red_Bullet> yes they tell me how to do with synpatic
[09:09] <jimmy_neutron> hmmm, are these the ones qt-*-dev?
[09:09] <Red_Bullet> but i haven't synaptic i have kynaptic
[09:09] <aftertaf> Red_Bullet:  installsynaptic ;)
[09:09] <Red_Bullet> aftertaf,  how
[09:09] <chavo> Red_Bullet, apt-get install synaptic
[09:09] <chavo> sudo of course
[09:10] <aftertaf> chavo:  of course ;)
[09:10] <nalioth> jimmy_neutron: correct
[09:10] <Red_Bullet> ooo 10x
[09:10] <Red_Bullet> :)
[09:11] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[09:12] <chavo> Red_Bullet, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt also
[09:12] <chavo> then synaptic will look like your KDE apps
[09:12] <chavo> any gnome app will
[09:12] <Red_Bullet> sudo apt-get install gtk2....
[09:12] <Red_Bullet> ??
[09:12] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[09:12] <chavo> yes
[09:12] <Red_Bullet> k
[09:13] <hater2win> jimmy_neutron:  what are you trying to install?
[09:13] <chavo> as long as your not running synaptic already
[09:13] <jimmy_neutron> kbootsplash
[09:13] <hater2win> try doing this
[09:13] <jimmy_neutron> you know where the KDE headers are? (configure requires the path as prefix)
[09:13] <hater2win> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[09:14] <hater2win> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

[09:14] <hater2win> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[09:14] <hater2win> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[09:14] <hater2win> ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3</pre></body>
[09:14] <nalioth> jimmy_neutron: kdelibs4-dev, kde-devel and kdebase-dev
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[09:14] <hater2win> bah
[09:14] <hater2win> fux
[09:14] <hater2win> ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3</pre></body>
[09:14] <hater2win> that
[09:14] <hater2win> jimmy_neutron:  ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3
[09:14] <hater2win> ok that one
[09:14] <hater2win> lol
[09:15] <nalioth> hater2win: why are you pasting in here?
[09:16] <jimmy_neutron> hater2win: nope, still same error
[09:16] <chavo> ./configure -prefix /usr
[09:17] <jimmy_neutron> k
[09:17] <hater2win> nalioth: i have put it in a document file to help me remember commands i use for certain things, i didnt think it would paste a million lines like that
[09:17] <nalioth> jimmy_neutron: if you are going to compile your own stuff, you need dev librarys for all you are gonna develop for
[09:17] <jimmy_neutron> kk,...
[09:17] <nalioth> jimmy_neutron: i sent you the files you need, (may need more, but try those first)
[09:17] <jimmy_neutron> ok
[09:18] <chavo> yeah you need kde-libs and kde-base devel packages also
[09:18] <nalioth> chavo: read ^^^^
[09:22] <libben> nalioth http://pastebin.com/357761
[09:23] <nalioth> libben: killall java_swt
[09:24] <libben> no process killed
[09:24] <nalioth> libben: i'm lost 
[09:25] <libben> m2
[09:25] <libben> well of to work anyway =) 
[09:26] <libben> ill take another shot at it when ill get home again.
[09:26] <libben> later.
[09:26] <libben> thxs for the help
[09:27] <nalioth> be safe
[09:30] <yonkeltron> http://www.lane.ca/images/steve_ballmer.jpg
[09:30] <mornfall> woof woof
[09:31] <hater2win> lol
[09:32] <mornfall> so old...
[09:33] <Red_Bullet> how can i activate my tv-out to G-force 4 
[09:34] <mornfall> pray
[09:34] <mornfall> :-)
[09:43] <hater2win> i just plugged in my USB Drive, how do I get linux to recognize it?
[09:43] <chavo> hater2win, should be recognized
[09:44] <hater2win> where would it be?
[09:44] <hater2win> i checked storage devices
[09:44] <hater2win> nothing
[09:44] <BlankB> hater2win: does it show up when you do: lsusb
[09:44] <hater2win> BlankB: yes
[09:45] <hater2win> bus 005 device 005
[09:46] <BlankB> it should show up under "media:/"
[09:46] <hater2win> nothing, just my HDs
[09:47] <BlankB> have you hit reload (F5) since the media:/ is opened?
[09:47] <hater2win> several times
[09:48] <BlankB> does dmesg show anything useful?
[09:48] <hater2win> what would i be looking for?
[09:48] <BlankB> something that says something about your drive.
[09:49] <BlankB> you can paste the output of "dmesg | tail" to here http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[09:51] <hater2win> http://blankb.pastebin.com/357769
[09:59] <BlankB> hater2win: also send me a copy of lsusb to the pastebin.
[10:02] <hater2win> BlankB: alright sec
[10:03] <hater2win> BlankB: http://blankb.pastebin.com/357773
[10:03] <hater2win> thats all that came from that command
[10:04] <BlankB> what about the lsusb
[10:05] <hater2win> http://blankb.pastebin.com/357776   <-- lsub
[10:08] <BlankB> I dont see 0781 in rgrep -i "0781" /etc/hotplug/*
[10:08] <BlankB> could mean that hot plug doesnt recognize it.
[10:08] <hater2win> what can i do about that?
[10:09] <BlankB> I dont know much about hotplug. I can tell you how to mount it manually (that is if its recognized)
[10:10] <hater2win> well
[10:10] <hater2win> how to mount manually?
[10:11] <BlankB> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbmemcard   (this assumes that the device is recognized as /dev/sda1 and that the folder /mnt/usbmemcard exists.)
[10:13] <hater2win> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[10:13] <hater2win> not recognizing it
[10:14] <BlankB> I would gess that it is just not recognized by the system.
[10:15] <hater2win> hmm
[10:15] <hater2win> any ideas?
[10:16] <aftertaf> !info screem
[10:16] <ubotu> screem: (A GNOME website development environment), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.12.1-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2158 kB, Installed size: 8280 kB
[10:17] <BlankB> h2w: doing a google for "(ubuntu | kubuntu) SanDisk  Cruzer Mini" doesnt seem too helpful.  
[10:19] <hater2win> yeh
[10:20] <hater2win> its got a fat partition
[10:20] <hater2win> matter any?
[10:20] <BlankB> nope.
[10:21] <BlankB> It should work. I get the feeling from reading a pages that its just not well supported. 8(
[10:21] <hater2win> mleh
[10:23] <BlankB> someone who has more experience with hotplug and usb might be able to get it to work.
[10:23] <hater2win> yeh
[10:28] <hater2win> modprobe sd_mod
[10:30] <hater2win> how do i downgrade my udev?
[10:34] <hater2win> gtg
[10:34] <hater2win> night all
[10:35] <hater2win> BlankB: thanks for all the help
[11:23] <Almindor> what do you guys use for service configuration? you do it manualy?
[11:25] <nalioth> service configurations?
[11:25] <Almindor> rcs
[11:25] <Almindor> what boots what get's killed
[11:25] <Almindor> I miss a good gui config tool for this in most linuces
[11:27] <nalioth> Almindor: come over to #ubuntu and ask (more folks awake)
[11:29] <Almindor> oh btw, I'm on breezy and I get consolefont setup error on boot(I know it's beta)
[11:29] <Almindor> it doesn't brake anything but I'd like to find out whats wrong..
[11:30] <nalioth> Almindor: i'm not on breezy (it's still broken)
[11:30] <Almindor> well it works :)
[11:30] <Almindor> I got it from ISO not by updating
[11:30] <Almindor> (updating broke everything here so I reinstalled from breezy ISO)
[11:30] <Almindor> the new bootsplash is kinda cool, altho still only "ubuntu" :)
[11:31] <Almindor> everything works tip-top except that consolefont BUt IIRC I had the same problem with 5.04
[11:31] <Almindor> perhaps it has something to do with my locale being sk
[11:32] <nalioth> Almindor: if it persists across versions, then yes it isn't a bug in the software per se
[11:33] <Almindor> I got a feeling it's a script-bug
[11:33] <Almindor> there's something about "t_kernel_font" so ether the script refers to old stuff or kernel broke something
[11:35] <nalioth> perhaps so
[11:37] <GNAM> what about breeze betas?
[11:37] <GNAM> (kubuntu)
[11:39] <Almindor> there are ISOs, I was lucky perhaps, people say breezy is broken but this ones works like a breeze :D
[11:40] <nalioth> GNAM: www.distrowatch.com   look for ubuntu colony-4
[11:40] <Almindor> there are "kubuntu" breezy iso's too
[11:40] <Almindor> less known
[11:40] <Almindor> but I didn't save the bookmark as I reinstalled :(
[11:40] <nalioth> Almindor: well enlighten GNAM 
[11:42] <Almindor> GNAM, for me everything works smoothly, but since people say it's still broken it might be that your configuration will not work
[11:43] <Almindor> GNAM, I have kde, nvidia, eclipse, java, and lots of funky stuff working no prob
[11:43] <Almindor> GNAM, only problem I have is an "general consolefont error" on boot
[11:43] <Almindor> but it doesn't affect anything
[11:43] <Almindor> oh and I'm also localized
[11:44] <Almindor> works too except fonts
[11:44] <Almindor> I had to snatch windows fonts, the ones with kubuntu don't support slovak
[11:44] <GNAM> do you use synaptic or kynapic?
[11:46] <Almindor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050908/
[11:46] <Almindor> kynaptic
[11:47] <nalioth> GNAM: kynaptic is kinda default with kubuntu, but use what you like
[11:47] <Almindor> only problem I have, and it's in all KDE using linuces is kdesu sometimes get's stuck
[11:47] <Almindor> I guess it's a KDE bug
[11:47] <nalioth> yes, i prefer console in KDE
[11:47] <nalioth> for my apt-get work
[11:48] <aftertaf> GNAM:  there'll soon be adept to use on kde, native ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> does any willing tester have amd64 or powerpc?
[12:22] <seaLne> Riddell: i'll see if i ahve time to switch hd in a mac and test it, when is the preview out?
[12:24] <Riddell> seaLne: ISO build should finish in about an hour 
[12:24] <Riddell> would be wonderful if you could test it
[12:25] <seaLne> k
[12:35] <nikkia> i'm starting to think there's nothing more boring than trawling thru java profiler output
[12:44] <Riddell> seaLne: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050908.1/breezy-install-powerpc.iso
[12:45] <Riddell> seaLne: get that tested (and the live when it appears) and I'll owe you lots of beer
[12:45] <Riddell> testers wanted for the rest too: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050908.1/
[12:46] <hettar> can you upgrade via apt successfully ?
[12:49] <Riddell> hettar: should be able to
[12:59] <flaviu> how can I see the flash images on a web page?
[01:00] <aftertaf> flaviu:  you can install a flash plugin with apt
[01:00] <aftertaf> or synaptic
[01:00] <flaviu> how ??
[01:00] <aftertaf> have you ever used synaptic?
[01:01] <aftertaf> !flash
[01:01] <ubotu> I guess flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:04] <flaviu> ok. thanks
[01:10] <nikkia> jebus
[01:11] <nikkia> 'Variable rate on purchases, 44.2% to 69.1%'  can you say 'loan shark' ?
[01:11] <nalioth> morning nikkia 
[01:12] <nalioth> nikkia: thats not a shark, it's a school of piranha
[01:12] <nikkia> nalioth: i know, its insane
[01:12] <nikkia> i could have sworn that such APRs were illegal in this country
[01:13] <nalioth> nikkia: was it sent from this country?
[01:13] <nikkia> nalioth: yes
[01:13] <nalioth> hmph
[01:13] <nikkia> well, i can't be sure about that, but the address for the reply envelope is in this country
[01:14] <nikkia> nalioth: i have one, need another, but the one i have has an APR of 12% (and the one i'm applying for, 8%)
[01:14] <nikkia> no way would i bother with one offering 60% that's just silly
[01:15] <nalioth> nikkia: silly aint the word, heh
[01:15] <nikkia> however, if it IS illegal to set such high APRs, then i would seriously consider squealing on them :P
[01:15] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm glad you (and the rest of these folks) are nice
[01:16] <nikkia> ah, no, no laws, yet
[01:16] <nikkia> there is a bill to limit APRs, but its not been passed, yet
[01:52] <wong> ihianyone..
[01:53] <wong> hi anyone
[01:54] <wong> what is java command about read from  file into system
[02:02] <wong> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0?
[02:05] <mornfall> Riddell: hi... how goes?
[02:07] <Riddell> mornfall: testing kubuntu preview release.  bddebian asked for elmo to sync debtags 1.4 from experimental
[02:08] <mornfall> Riddell: i know that much, but no idea how it ended up like?
[02:12] <sml> test
[02:12] <hussam> where's the wiki page that had the release schedule for breezy?
[02:13] <sml> it is easy to find with a google search
[02:13] <hussam> yeah I think I found it
[02:14] <sml> i just googled it today - the release date was 13 oct i think?
[02:14] <hussam> yes
[02:15] <hussam> preview release is today and rc is 6 oct 
[02:16] <hussam> is the preview release stable enough to upgrade from hoary?
[02:17] <nalioth> hussam: usually it is
[02:18] <nalioth> hussam: heavy updates daily until it 'finals'
[02:20] <sml> my breezy kubuntu just froze! how can i check what caused the problem?
[02:37] <Riddell> mornfall: he hasn't synced yet
[02:46] <jsgotangco> Riddell, ping?
[02:47] <Riddell> jsgotangco: hi
[02:47] <jsgotangco> Riddell, hi, do you mind publishing docs to kubuntu even after doc string freeze?
[02:48] <jsgotangco> or would you rather stick to the current sched
[02:48] <Riddell> jsgotangco: I don't mind, I don't see them getting translated anyway
[02:49] <jsgotangco> Riddell, great we have 2 kubuntu-specific docs but still needs polish
[02:49] <Riddell> still need to check with higher up ubuntu powers but I think it'll be fine
[02:49] <jsgotangco> mdz doesn't want any extension but i guess it holds more with ubuntu
[02:50] <jjesse> Riddell: can you let me know it seems i'm the sole kubuntu doc writer now :(
[02:51] <Riddell> you guys should boss me around more
[02:51] <Riddell> is there an update that can go in shortly after preview (so this evening or tomorrow)?
[02:52] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm trying to finish the kquickguide tonight
[02:52] <jsgotangco> jjesse, can you fix the kquickguide even without adept for a while?
[02:52] <jjesse> i can sure try it just doesn't validate rigth now?
[02:52] <jsgotangco> right
[02:52] <jjesse> well let me get it to validate and then we can move forward w/ that
[02:53] <jsgotangco> just do a make kqg when it validates and you'll have an html preview that Riddell can use for preview release
[02:53] <jsgotangco> About Kubuntu should also build
[02:53] <jjesse> ok, i'll go to town then today but first work calls :(
[02:53] <jsgotangco> jjesse, no problem the timezones are on our side =_
[02:55] <jsgotangco> Riddell, thanks, i'll just cc you in an email later
[03:02] <rajeevpn> Folks, am a newbie here... been having some problems installing kubuntu. Pl see my post at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62914 for the nature of the problem
[03:18] <daugirdas> hi
[03:19] <daugirdas> anyone having problems with media:/ on KDE 3.42??
[03:26] <pgsc> hello
[03:26] <pgsc> anybody could say me what is the kernel version of kubuntu 5.04
[03:27] <daugirdas> 2.6.10
[03:27] <pgsc> thank you daugirdas
[03:27] <pgsc> i need to know because my webcam works with this cersion
[03:30] <pgsc> exit
[03:32] <kaptaink> how can i mount an ext3 partition through the console?
[03:34] <h17m4n> there are people chatting in #ubuntu
[03:34] <h17m4n> since that question isn't kde related, they could help you
[04:18] <sdogi_> anyone knows how is the html printing possible with cups with firefox or konqueror
[04:25] <ztonzy> hmm, is there something odd with #ubuntu today ?
[04:26] <ztonzy> nikkia, hey ?
[04:31] <nikkia> yes?
[04:32] <ztonzy> nikkia, something odd with #ubuntu today ?
[04:32] <vj> #join kubuntu-es
[04:32] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[04:32] <nikkia> don't ask me, i rarely go there
[04:32] <blackflag> can someone explain me what is "IDE" for c/c++  ?
[04:32] <ztonzy> nikkia, I am in there each day...but today , moments ago I got to see I am banned (??)  have no clue why
[04:33] <nikkia> blackflag: Integrated Development Environment
[04:33] <blackflag> aha, what does it mean?
[04:33] <ztonzy> so if I type to little I get banned O_O ?
[04:33] <nikkia> blackflag: just what it says :)
[04:33] <nikkia> blackflag: an IDE is an application that allows you to edit, compile, debug, etc, in one application
[04:34] <nikkia> hence, its a development environment, that is integrated :P
[04:34] <blackflag> ahhh, I see
[04:34] <blackflag> but in what integrated? InLinux?
[04:35] <nikkia> blackflag: erm, no, integrated as in the editor, compiler, debugger, etc are integrated into one app
[04:35] <nikkia> there are IDEs for all OSes
[04:36] <nikkia> (and yes, i'll purposefully keep 'IDE' vague enough to include EDIT/LSE on VMS, to allow me to make bold claims like that :)
[04:36] <blackflag> Okay, when I 'll try to beginn to develop withc/c++ I can use an IDE?correct?
[04:36] <nikkia> blackflag: you can, yes
[04:37] <nikkia> you don't have to, however
[04:37] <nikkia> some people like IDEs, some people prefer to use a text editor they are familiar with
[04:37] <blackflag> I have here kDevelopment IDE, is that good for beginning programming?
[04:38] <nikkia> blackflag: i couldn't say, really, i haven't used kdevelop in a LONG time
[04:39] <blackflag> hmm... What is the meaning here, how is the best practice to begin development?
[04:39] <nikkia> i'm sure it can be used for beginning programming, the only real question i'd have, is whether or not it (easily) supports a plain console app project style, which is what i'd recommend for begining programming
[04:39] <nikkia> i suspect it probably DOES offer a console app project style, and thus is 'fine' for beginning with :)
[04:40] <blackflag> okay, so I go to the library get a book over c/c## programming and begin, or?
[04:41] <blackflag> Or is there some good stuff on Internet?
[04:41] <nikkia> blackflag, depends on how you learn best, really
[04:42] <nikkia> there's plenty of sites on learning programming, some good, some bad, some people find it hard to learn from a website, some don't, etc
[04:42] <blackflag> can you recommend a good site for beginners?
[04:49] <ToyMan> does someone have a good alt. source for repositories?
[04:49] <ToyMan> I've been trying to connect to Planetmirror, but no luck
[04:55] <blackflag> okay, thanx for help. Going to get a book first....
[04:55] <blackflag> bye
[05:12] <mornfall> Riddell: preliminary plan is to get beta2 out tomorrow
[05:13] <Riddell> mornfall: cool, if elmo hasn't synced debtags by then I'll jolly well do it myself and upload adept :)
[05:18] <chakie> when compiling/installing custom kde software on kubuntu, is --prefix=/usr what i want?
[05:20] <seaLne> i'd put anything i compiled myself in to /usr/local to keep it seperate
[05:21] <chakie> does kde pick up that stuff then?
[05:21] <chakie> this is a io-slave
[05:22] <chakie> my experience with stuff like that is that is has to be "officiallly" installed in the proper location for it to work at all
[05:29] <MxxCon> hey folks, i'm looking for krusader 1.60 for kununtu 5.04
[05:31] <MxxCon> i found this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=139932&postcount=11 but it seems like that file was removed
[05:33] <Luen> somebody knows how to transfer files from linux to pocket-pc?
[05:33] <Luen> i don't have sd cards reader at my computer
[05:34] <Luen> neither bluethoth
[05:34] <MxxCon> cable?
[05:34] <MxxCon> wifi?
[05:34] <Luen> no wifi
[05:34] <Luen> just usb to my pocket pc
[05:34] <MxxCon> so you should be able to use that
[05:35] <Luen> sb 1-1: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[05:35] <Luen> usbcore: registered new driver ipaq
[05:35] <Luen> i get this
[05:35] <Luen> yeah but don't know how to
[05:37] <MxxCon> can you see it in konqueror?
[05:38] <Luen> nope
[05:41] <MxxCon> look into KitchenSync
[05:41] <Luen> mm
[05:43] <MxxCon> that's kde project :)
[05:45] <Luen> mm
[05:49] <djib> hey
[05:49] <Luen> i'l try later
[05:53] <MxxCon> so...i'm looking for krusader 1.60 for kununtu 5.04, any help?
[05:56] <_user> can i install wine on kubuntu?
[06:02] <djib> yes
[06:07] <zAo^> is there a Ubuntu Krita-package?
[06:08] <seaLne> there is in breezy, i don't have a hoary box on atm to check it
[06:08] <zAo^> well, here it isnt :) thanks 
[06:08] <zAo^> any news on the kubuntu Breezy release?
[06:08] <zAo^> and KDE 3.5 ^^
[06:22] <Red_Bullet> !tell Red_Bullet NVIDIA
[06:38] <znh> Hello, I have some problems installing VLC
[06:39] <znh> it seems that it can't install components
[06:39] <znh> while I didnt make use of any backports
[06:41] <znh> !source
[06:41] <ubotu> znh: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:41] <znh> !sources
[06:41] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:43] <znh> I have the same issue with the recommended sources.list
[06:46] <_jesusfish_> how much better, performance-wise, is 64-bit over 32-bit?
[06:46] <_jesusfish_> using Kubuntu, that is
[06:46] <seaLne> doing what?
[06:47] <_jesusfish_> in general
[06:47] <nikkia> hmmmm, wiccan spam, something isn't right with that
[06:47] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: in general not a lot, for a few important things around 2x.
[06:48] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: I'm prolly going from a P4 2.0 to a Sepmron 2800+ 64-bit, wondering if I should install Kubuntu for 64-bit
[06:48] <nikkia> Blissex: i notice you casually dismiss the performance LOSS you'll get in some cases, too :)
[06:48] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: depends a lot on what you do.
[06:49] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: mainly desktop use, some kernel building/compiling, and audio encoding
[06:49] <Blissex> nikkia: that is rare and not very big. And he asked about increases :-)
[06:49] <nikkia> Blissex: i wouldn't call it rare
[06:49] <nikkia> Blissex: anything that hammers pointers a lot, is going to incur a speed loss
[06:49] <nikkia> and a decrease is just a negative increase, so its still relevant to the question :P
[06:50] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: audio (and video) encoding may be rather better :-)
[06:50] <Blissex> nikkia: nah, losses because of the doubling of pointer sizes tend to be minimal, because of caching etc.
[06:50] <_jesusfish_> it also means I'll have setup a 32-bit environment for Flash, etc
[06:50] <nikkia> blissex, umm, in those situations, caching quality is decreases, as your cache size is reduced
[06:50] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: thats the big deal.
[06:51] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: which I don't really mind doing, if I decide it's worthwhile to go 64-bit
[06:51] <nikkia> _jesusfish_: tbh, unless you have a need for 64bit, right now, the problems outweight the benefits, by a long way
[06:51] <nikkia> ie, no up-to-date KDE, many packages missing, etc
[06:52] <_jesusfish_> nikkia: perfect, that's what I needed to hear
[06:52] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: in AMD64 mode the really big advantages are: much better floating point, much better encryption, much large programs.
[06:52] <_jesusfish_> nikkia: thx
[06:52] <nikkia> Blissex: the floating point is identical between 32bit and 64bit modes
[06:52] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: but yes as <nikkia> says it is a bit of a haddle to have 64 bits.
[06:52] <nikkia> AMD did not touch the FPU at all when they 'upgraded' the x86 architecture :)
[06:52] <Blissex> nikkia: no, it is completely different.
[06:52] <_jesusfish_> ya, doesn't really matter that much
[06:52] <nikkia> (erm, that is, touched it from the Athlon XP)
[06:53] <_jesusfish_> my 2800+ should smoke my 2.0 anyways
[06:54] <nikkia> the 'number of registers' issue should be a minimal difference too, since the A64 should be using those registers regardless, just using register renaming in 32bit mode to utilise them
[06:54] <Blissex> nikkia: not that much...
[06:54] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: ah yes, it should be indeed a lot faster.
[06:54] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: costing me next to nothing to upgrade
[06:55] <sik> hi
[06:55] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: if you want more speed, make sure you get a processor with the 512K cache, and possibly 1M cache, that really helps with the sort of stuff you want to do.
[06:55] <sik> does anybody know how to get gpsdrive working without lags?
[06:56] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: which might rule out the Sempron though, because most Semprons are half cache.
[06:57] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: it may be a good investment to spend a bit more on the bigger cache CPU, even at a lower speed grade.
[06:57] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: too much of a price dif
[06:58] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: I don't have any really heavy needs anyways
[06:58] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: it'd cost me about 2x to go to A64
[06:59] <libben> if i wanna install plugins to firefox? i dont go download them with the built in firefox plugin manager? ill apt-get install flashsupport?
[06:59] <_jesusfish_> libben: depends
[06:59] <_jesusfish_> libben: for flash, you get the Kbuntu flash packages
[07:00] <_jesusfish_> libben: I don't think the plugin manager actually provides many  Linux plugins anyways, actually
[07:00] <libben> macromedia?
[07:00] <_jesusfish_> ya
[07:01] <libben> weird that it doesnt work with the built in manager
[07:01] <_jesusfish_> libben: there's too many linux platforms for it to really work well
[07:01] <libben> flashplayer-mozilla
[07:01] <libben> what more do i need?
[07:02] <_jesusfish_> libben: whatever you want :)
[07:02] <_jesusfish_> libben: maybe java at some point
[07:03] <libben> if i select flash-mozilla
[07:03] <_jesusfish_> but none are _needed_
[07:03] <libben> it will install the dep mozilla-browser
[07:03] <libben> i dont want a third browser =(
[07:03] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: thats unlikely, I'll have a look.
[07:03] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: where I am, it's how it is
[07:04] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: the difference between Sempron and A64 should not be that large...
[07:04] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: unlucky though.
[07:04] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: Sempron 2800+ 64-bit is $89CAD, cheapest A64 is $189
[07:04] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: impressive. Also because CA$89 is really a low price.
[07:05] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: ya...that's pretty much why I'm doing this...wasn't actually planned
[07:06] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: if you are really a value shopper you might just want to upgrade to a 32 bit athlon. There are impressively low priced Barton CPUs around.
[07:06] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: I have a friend who needs a computer, and have a lot of extra parts laying around...so I sell her my board, cpu, ram and toss it with my extra parts, and I pretty much have a free upgrade
[07:06] <nikkia> Blissex: *shrug* sounds about fair, 48 here
[07:06] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: not many Socket A's here now
[07:07] <Blissex> nikkia: canadian dollars are so cheap that translates to almost nothing :-)
[07:07] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: thats the poblem indeed.
[07:07] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: any way I go, it's better than what I have
[07:08] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: yes, thats not a bad idea.
[07:08] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: and I help a friend out at the same time
[07:08] <nikkia> 48 = CA$104, but that 48 is including tax, which the CA$89 probably isn't
[07:08] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: you have been quibbling about second order effects.
[07:08] <nikkia> without tax, its 41, or CA$88
[07:08] <Blissex> _jesusfish_: so me too.
[07:08] <_jesusfish_> lol
[07:09] <_jesusfish_> Blissex: my PowerBook does most of my heavy work
[07:10] <^rob^> howdy
[07:10] <^rob^> does anybody know if quanta can use subversion? - or is there any plgn for quanta for subversion?
[07:18] <libben> should i install the update in azureus?
[07:18] <libben> some kind of a tracker it says
[07:32] <libben> I need a ftp program that can handle ssl .. i would love the flashfxp version for linux,... wich one ?
[07:34] <libben> http://www.playmessiah.com/onlinestore/gnex_faq.htm
[07:34] <libben> sorry
[07:35] <libben> damit
[07:35] <libben> i cant contiune on downloading.
[07:36] <libben> ive copied my unfinished files from xp partition that i got moounted... to my home folder.
[07:38] <libben> and when i loaded .torrent file the same one i used on winxp,.. it tells me it cant download... it did start the check all the way up to 73 percent where i stopped it in windows..... and then when its gonna continue load from there.. it says error.
[07:38] <libben> can it be because it dont has right chmod values?
[07:38] <libben> havent used chmod before
[07:44] <libben> anyone ?
[07:46] <MxxCon> libben try to get flashfxp running with wine
[07:47] <libben> MxxCon: well that one is easy to do...
[07:47] <libben> but ill allways get promted with that my version is not valid.
[07:48] <libben> cause i had have it installed way longer then the demo lets me have it.
[07:48] <libben> and it senses it. and i cant be able to type in the reg key for it either =(
[07:48] <libben> so its a bummer there
[07:51] <libben> anyone wanna help me let me open up the rights for my folder ?
[07:52] <MxxCon> are you accessing file on windows partition?
[07:53] <libben> no, ive copied it over to my ~/dvd-r folder
[07:53] <libben> and when i loaded it in azureus to catch up on where i left it on downloading it says it cant
[07:53] <libben> well, the output is alot more then that =) 
[07:54] <libben> but i figure its something with the rights when i copied it over
[07:55] <MxxCon> you better off asking in az channel..it might be something specific to that client
[07:56] <MxxCon> it's on this network
[07:56] <libben> well, the problem is a linux problem and not a az problem
[07:56] <libben> i figure it has something with the rights of my folder that i copied.
[07:56] <MxxCon> you sure? you can resume that file with another bt client?
[07:56] <MxxCon> so try 'chmod 755 file'
[07:57] <libben> can i do chmodd 755 folder?
[07:57] <libben> and what does 755 ?
[08:01] <MxxCon> 755 numbers relate to owner, group, everybody
[08:01] <MxxCon> numbers are created by: 1 is execute, 2 is write, 4 is read
[08:02] <MxxCon> sum of all or part of 1, 2, 4 gives you result above
[08:03] <MxxCon> so owner can read,write,execute, group and everybody can read and execute but not write
[08:03] <_manuel> Hi, is it possible to export a ssh session via vnc? something like linuxvnc package
[08:04] <Red_Bullet>  pleeease help me i was tryed 2 way to start my tv-out with edit xorg.conf with nvtv but NOTHING i can't start tv-out when i was start nvtv SEGMENTATION FAULT what to do !!!???
[08:10] <Red_Bullet> :((
[08:10] <Red_Bullet> no body knows
[08:10] <Red_Bullet> :((
[08:11] <flaviu> I've got a problem....I can't acces synaptic , nor kynaptic
[08:11] <flaviu> if I write in the konsole sudo synaptic I receive the following error:
[08:11] <flaviu> synaptic:8107): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:12] <flaviu> if I write sudo kynaptic , I receive this:
[08:12] <flaviu> kynaptic: cannot connect to X server
[08:12] <flaviu> can anyone help ?
[08:12] <seaLne> they are graphical progs, just run them and they should prompt for your passwd
[08:14] <libben> or kdesu
[08:16] <slow-motion> press alt+f2 and write the name of the programm
[08:16] <libben> where can i edit the shortcuts ? =)
[08:17] <libben> control center?
[08:17] <libben> havent looked yet
[08:17] <flaviu> yep...I've tryed
[08:17] <flaviu> but nothing happens if I write kynoptic
[08:18] <slow-motion> right klick on the k button and there is a option for editing the menu
[08:18] <flaviu> If I write synoptic it sais that I should run that program as root user
[08:18] <slow-motion> right klick on the k button and there is a option for editing the menu
[08:20] <jjesse> to launch kynaptic you need to kdesu first from the run command (kdesu kynaptic)
[08:21] <flaviu> thanks jjesse , it works
[08:21] <flaviu> :D
[08:22] <seaLne> ah right sorry i just use apt-cache/apt-get as i find them easier
[08:24] <seaLne> hmm i can run kynaptic fine with out kdesu before it
[08:24] <seaLne> ignore that
[08:24] <flaviu> :)
[08:24] <flaviu> for me it's fine with kdesu before 
[08:24] <flaviu> :)
[08:25] <flaviu> one more question...
[08:25] <flaviu> what's the name of the package ( plugin ) with wich I can see the flashes on a web page ?
[08:27] <OculusAquilae> flaviu: libflash-swfplugin
[08:27] <OculusAquilae> flaviu: libflash-mozplugin
[08:28] <OculusAquilae> not swf
[08:29] <flaviu> thanks
[08:35] <lwizardl> hi
[08:36] <lwizardl> i want to format a ntfs drive for use (read/write) access in linux. how do i do it?
[08:37] <jjesse> you want to keep the ntfs file partition or change it?
[08:38] <lwizardl> change it
[08:38] <lwizardl> i just had drivers saved to it
[08:38] <lwizardl> i've got them on cdrw now
[09:06] <libben> why isnt there a good ftp program that handles ssl connections any good? and with gui..
[09:06] <nalioth> gftp doesnt work?
[09:06] <libben> never managed to login to my friends server that uses ssl before when i was on ubuntu
[09:07] <nalioth> lwizardl: use parted to wipe that puppy (g- and qt- variants available)
[09:07] <libben> havent tried on this installation... but i never got it to work 6 months ago on ubuntu.
[09:07] <libben> nalioth i got azureus to work btw.
[09:07] <_jesusfish_> libben: KDE has good ftp built in
[09:07] <nalioth> libben: really? what was the holdup?
[09:08] <libben> dont know... but ive installed flashplugin-nonfree before i tried it after a reboot of the box.. and all suddenly it started to work
[09:09] <libben> thinking of remove the app i have for azureus.. cause i can only start it by ./azureus. think i can install the one from synaptic.. and then update it within the program.. cause its only java?
[09:09] <nalioth> libben: would you like to learn a trick?
[09:09] <libben> yeah
[09:09] <nalioth> not a trick, actually
[09:12] <libben> shoot shoot
[09:12] <MxxCon> libben what version of ffxp did you try with wine?
[09:13] <nalioth> libben: if you put your azureus folder in /usr/local/bin/  you can use your kde menu mangler to run a link to it
[09:13] <libben> the newest i think... 
[09:14] <chakie> hm, a io-slave i'm trying to compile wants the header kswap.h, but i can't find any such header in the dev packages for my 3.4.2
[09:14] <libben> menu mangler?
[09:14] <libben> explain further.
[09:15] <crimsun> chakie: kdelibs4-dev
[09:15] <chakie> ii  kdelibs4-dev   3.4.2-0ubuntu0 development files for the KDE core libraries
[09:15] <nalioth> libben: in kde you have a menu editor
[09:16] <libben> yes
[09:16] <libben> in there now
[09:16] <crimsun> chakie: you should have /usr/include/kde/kswap.h
[09:16] <chakie> ls: /usr/include/kde/kswap.h: No such file or directory
[09:16] <crimsun> chakie: hoary or breezy?
[09:16] <chakie> hoary
[09:17] <chakie> with the 3.4.2 packages added
[09:17] <crimsun> it should exist under Horay
[09:17] <crimsun> Hoary^
[09:17] <chakie> find /usr/include/ -name "kswap.h"
[09:17] <chakie> nothing found
[09:17] <nalioth> libben: /usr/local/bin is where you put programs YOU compile or add to the system, putting the azureus folder there, gets it into your $PATH, and out of your homedir
[09:18] <libben> yeah,... ive remember little from that ive learnt like 5 months ago
[09:18] <chakie> maybe the packages have by mistake left some headers out
[09:18] <chakie> this would be the ipod io-slave, so i can't play with my brand new toy before i get this compiled :)
[09:19] <crimsun> crimsun@warped:~$ dpkg-deb -c kdelibs4-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3_i386.deb |grep kswap
[09:19] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- root/root     10743 2004-11-06 17:16:29 ./usr/include/kde/kswap.h
[09:19] <crimsun> it definitely exists in hoary-security's package, which is 3.4, but if they don't exist in 3.4.2, then yes, it would seem to be a packaging issue
[09:19] <libben> nalioth so then what in kde menu editor ? just create a shortcut in there with run command "azureus" ?
[09:20] <nalioth> libben: i assume there is a "browse" button in kmenuedit
[09:20] <nalioth> point it at the azureus shell script
[09:20] <chakie> crimsun: this i see with google (no link): "+ * Adding kswap.h to the package. It's no longer used in kdelibs. ."
[09:20] <chakie> that's the changelog for the ipodslave
[09:20] <chakie> i'd better just get the cvs version
[09:20] <crimsun> sounds like a plan
[09:22] <chakie> yup
[09:22] <libben> nalioth so what this does... puts it as it was normally installed via deb?
[09:22] <nalioth> libben: no, if /azureus now rides in /usr/local/bin, then it's what would happen if you compiled it yourself
[09:25] <libben> well its in the path so i can type azureus everywhere and it will start
[09:25] <MxxCon> so...i'm looking for krusader 1.60 for kununtu 5.04, any ideas?
[09:25] <nalioth> libben: not quite
[09:26] <nalioth> MxxCon: it's not in the repos?
[09:27] <MxxCon> i see only 1.51
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[09:28] <MxxCon> oops, sorry
[09:28] <MxxCon> i found 1.60 .deb files but they don't install cuase of dependancies
[09:29] <nalioth> MxxCon: if that's so, then you'll need to either look in backports, or compile from the wild. are you using the 3.4.2 KDE?
[09:29] <MxxCon> yes, 3.4.2
[09:30] <nalioth> MxxCon: best option is to compile from the wild, then.  Debian pkgs can break your system
[09:30] <MxxCon> oh ya, i think i found that 1.60 .deb in backports
[09:30] <nalioth> MxxCon: if in b/p it should have dependencies to use with it
[09:30] <chakie> darn, the cvs version of the ipodslave is currently badly broken
[09:30] <MxxCon> i looked into compiling it, but i started selecting missing packages and it turned into a mile long train :)
[09:32] <MxxCon> libxext, x11lib, qt3-mt, etc etc etc etc...i'd have to install like 70megs worth of dev packages
[09:32] <nalioth> MxxCon: such is the life of the dweller on the razors edge
[09:32] <MxxCon> (not in gentoo world ;)
[09:33] <lwells> hi
[09:33] <lwells> I have a question
[09:33] <nalioth> lwells: ask away
[09:34] <lwells> I have Kubuntu and i have KDE running, I cannot find the file manager
[09:34] <nalioth> lwells: konqueror?
[09:34] <lwells> is Konqueror the file manager?
[09:34] <MxxCon> i'm kinda surprised that repo wasn't updated yet..1.60 was released a few month ago and is pretty significant update
[09:35] <MxxCon> lwells it's like IE in windows..it's both file manager and browser
[09:35] <nalioth> lwells: yes it is, also a web browser
[09:35] <lwells> oh ok, just so used to the window file manager
[09:35] <nalioth> lwells: konqueror will seem familiar to you, then
[09:36] <lwells> how do you get the tree to show on the side
[09:37] <chavo> lwells, hit F9
[09:37] <chavo> there are a few plugins that can go in the sidebar -> F9
[09:37] <chavo> hit the little home Icon for a tree view
[09:38] <lwells> wow very nice thanks
[09:38] <chavo> or the Red Folder for a tree view that starts at the base filesystem
[09:39] <chavo> konqueror is like explorer on steroids
[09:39] <lwells> is this room always available for help?
[09:39] <chavo> with Tabs!
[09:39] <chavo> yeah and #kde is good also
[09:40] <chavo> or #ubuntu , it's always packed
[09:40] <MxxCon> also help file :D
[09:40] <lwells> can i get general linux help here too?
[09:40] <nalioth> lwells: certainly
[09:40] <chavo> yes, KDE help system rocks also
[09:40] <nalioth> lwells: and maybe winduhs help, too
[09:40] <nalioth> but not from me, lol
[09:41] <chavo> I'm teh winduhs expert
[09:41] <MxxCon> lwells you should try krusader
[09:41] <MxxCon> much better file manager
[09:41] <lwells> krusader?
[09:41] <chavo> yuck
[09:41] <nalioth> lwells: krusader is a kde version of mc
[09:41] <MxxCon> more like kde version of tc
[09:42] <chavo> can you preview your media files in krusader?
[09:42] <MxxCon> chavo on mouseover?
[09:42] <chavo> it is 2005, you know
[09:42] <MxxCon> you can just like in konq
[09:43] <nalioth> MxxCon: really? mine always wants to pop open some other proggy
[09:43] <chavo> Hmm, haven't tried it in a while. but konq just flat out rocks
[09:43] <lwells> you guys are a great resource
[09:43] <lwells> i just converted this old laptop to Kubuntu
[09:46] <lwells> what other channels are there that are good
[09:47] <MxxCon> depends on topic
[09:48] <lwells> linux help
[09:49] <MxxCon> start with google. self-education is the best way to learn
[09:49] <lwells> i do have a question, is there a way to put the home folder on the desktop?
[09:50] <nalioth> lwells: you can drag it in konqueror and 'link' it there, if you wish
[09:51] <MxxCon> my personal rule is if after 30min of googling/trying to fix something i fail, i ask.
[09:51] <lwells> yes that worked, great
[09:51] <MxxCon> any other way is being lazy
[09:52] <lwells> i know, i know, i usually just look it up myself
[09:52] <lwells> but this is great chat site
[09:52] <MxxCon> (this is not a site)
[09:52] <lwells> ok, IRC room then
[09:53] <nalioth> lwells: enjoy your 'new to unix' glow. im usually handing out fishing poles to folks
[09:53] <lwells> fishing poles?
[09:54] <lwells> one last question?
[09:54] <lwells> can you make the icons on the desktop bigger??
[09:54] <MxxCon> yes
[09:55] <nalioth> lwells: you can change ANYTHING you see in your new box
[09:55] <lwells> How do I do that?
[09:55] <MxxCon> go to control center
[09:55] <MxxCon> and look there
[09:55] <nalioth> lwells: this is not windows
[09:55] <nalioth> lwells: i believe in teaching folks to fish
[09:55] <lwells> ok i get it, lol
[09:55] <MxxCon> what nalioth is trying to say: RTFM :D
[09:56] <nalioth> the whole parable goes: "give a man a fish, he eats once. teach a man to fish, he eats steadily"
[09:56] <nalioth> or something to that effect
[09:57] <lwells> paraphrasing
[09:57] <lwells> but i get it
[09:58] <nalioth> lwells: hanging out in #kubuntu and #ubuntu helping people will teach you a lot, also
[10:03] <lwells> well thanks for all your help
[10:03] <nalioth> lwells: np
[10:10] <libben> I run my kde at 1600x1200@85 hz, but its damn hard to read firefox 
[10:11] <libben> is there any better font or something that i can change
[10:11] <nalioth> libben: in firefox prefs, can you change the font size?
[10:12] <libben> yes i can. but isnt there a better font or something?
[10:13] <Blissex> libben: yes.
[10:14] <nalioth> libben: this is linux, you can run wingdings if you like
[10:15] <libben> windings==windows? =)
[10:15] <libben> or u ment the windings font? i think there is one called that =)
[10:15] <nalioth> the font
[10:15] <nalioth> of chaos
[10:15] <libben> Blissex: wich one?
[10:16] <chavo> libben, apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[10:16] <chavo> then you can change the font and style for firefox
[10:17] <libben> allready has it installed =)
[10:19] <chavo> aha
[10:19] <Blissex> libben: get the 'msttcorefonts' package.
[10:20] <libben> thats the one... installed that when i was ubuntu long time ago.... 
[10:27] <MxxCon> libben, you should figure out how to correct specify your physical monitor size, then all fonts and icons should adjust accordingly
[10:30] <libben> ?
[10:30] <libben> xplain further please. =)
[10:30] <pussfeller> does ndiswarapper on kubuntu already have the win drivers?
[10:36] <ilba7r> !esd
[10:36] <ubotu> esd is probably Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[10:37] <nalioth> pussfeller: no ndis wrapper has MS files
[10:37] <Red_Bullet> tell me how to install the best video program for linux
[10:37] <Red_Bullet> end which is the best
[10:37] <Red_Bullet> program
[10:37] <Red_Bullet> please
[10:37] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: quit repeating
[10:38] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: mplayer, xine, vlc, kaffeine, noatun are all video players
[10:38] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: install them all and use the one(s) you like
[10:38] <slow-motion> does someone knows how i can teach xmms utf-8? i read different websites, but nothing really helps me
[10:38] <Red_Bullet> but
[10:39] <Red_Bullet> kynaptic could't found 
[10:39] <chx> I got a window totally off screen. How can I grab it to move it on screen...? (the bug leading to this is in bugzilla and being worked on)
[10:39] <nalioth> !tell Red_Bullet about sources
[10:41] <chx> nalioth: hi
[10:41] <nalioth> chx: howdy
[10:42] <chx> nalioth: I renamed my monitor to monitower :D
[10:42] <nalioth> chx: right click on the button with the offscreen programs name on it
[10:43] <nalioth> chx: click "move" and use your arrow keys to bring the dogie back into the corral
[10:43] <chx> nalioth: and then...? no move in that menu
[10:43] <nalioth> chx: i keep forgetting i'm not in #ubuntu
[10:43] <chx> minimize, maximize, shade, always on top, close
[10:44] <nalioth> chx: is it on another desktop?
[10:44] <MxxCon> chx go to control center, keyboard shortcuts and assign one to move window
[10:44] <MxxCon> then active that offscreen app and move it
[10:44] <chx> nalioth: it's just off screen due a bug -- KDE desktop does not resize on xrandr -left
[10:45] <libben> any tip on a font for firefox to make it look good in most sites?
[10:45] <chx> MxxCon: brilliant idea.
[10:47] <pussfeller> get the msfonts libben 
[10:48] <chx> MxxCon: and how could I do that...? DCOP call...?
[10:50] <libben> pussfeller:  allready done that.
[10:50] <Red_Bullet> !tell Red_Bullet  about sources
[10:50] <libben> wondering on wich one to use.
[10:50] <libben> whats the common one that everyone else use
[10:50] <nalioth> Red_Bullet: you can /msg the bot for any factoid you like or /msg ubotu help
[10:51] <Red_Bullet> oo 10x 
[10:51] <Red_Bullet> :)
[10:53] <hussam> will the breezy preview release be out today?
[10:57] <chx> how could I assign a hotkey to "Move Window"?
[10:57] <MxxCon> did you find where to do it?
[10:58] <iKel> I'm trying to get my system up and running correctly and I can't change the resolution higher than 800x600..
[10:58] <chx> MxxCon: I know KHotKeys
[10:58] <iKel> My guess is I need some video card drivers. How do I go about getting and installing those?
[10:58] <chx> MxxCon: in the Action submenu the only relevant stuff I can think of is a DCOP Call.
[10:59] <MxxCon> it's in 'System->Window->Move windows'
[10:59] <MxxCon> global shortcuts
[10:59] <chx> Global Shortcuts!
[11:00] <chx> MxxCon: i was in KhotKeys instead of Keyboard Shortcuts
[11:00] <hussam> iKel: how high can your monitor go?
[11:01] <iKel> hussam: 168x1050
[11:01] <iKel> *1680x1050
[11:03] <hussam> iKel: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <hussam> iKel: under section screen
[11:06] <chx> iKel: welcome to the club! ask me. anything regarding your screen. I bought a Dell 2005FPW yesterday, same res.
[11:07] <hussam> iKel: add the modes you want, "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" etc...
[11:07] <iKel> hussam: It has the mode 1280x1024 in the config file (which is probably all this card can handle) yet I cannot change it in the Display settings.
[11:08] <chx> iKel: which card, which driver? 
[11:08] <iKel> chx: Cool! I love this monitor. I actually have two of them side by side
[11:08] <iKel> chx: ATI Rage II
[11:08] <chx> iKel: I'd love one , too
[11:09] <chx> ATI Rage II ? man, you spent a thousand dollars (at least, whatever your currency is) on monitors and you have a Rage II??? For $50 you can get a pretty good card these days.
[11:10] <chx> but still, I'd recommend ATI binary drivers. 
[11:10] <iKel> chx: haha, I have pentium D with a GeForce 6800 to power both monitors. I'm just trying to get another machine setup.
[11:11] <iKel> unfortunately it's not mine... I'm at work. =(
[11:11] <chx> try 
[11:11] <chx> Option "XrandR" "On" 
[11:12] <chx> in the device section
[11:12] <chx> I use that for rotate, but it's X Resize and Rotate so maybe it helps you too :)
[11:16] <iKel> it won't let me save the config file
[11:16] <iKel> says I don't have access
[11:22] <hussam> iKel: the xconfig file? you have to do it as root. use sudo
[11:23] <iKel> I'm unfamiliar with sudo
[11:24] <iKel> I have the config file open in Kate.
[11:30] <hussam> iKel: sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:30] <iKel> cool thanks
[11:34] <hussam> iKel: or sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( doesn't matter what text editor you use )
[11:37] <hussam> according to here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule , breezy preview release should be out today. Is it out yet?
[11:41] <pussfeller> !sources
[11:41] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:47] <othernoob> does anyone in here have an AMD Sempron and is a gamer?
[11:54] <lwizardl> hi
[11:54] <lwizardl> in terminal how do i get to my hdd1 drive ?
[12:00] <libben> how do i extract 91 rar files? that only has extension .001 - .099