[12:12] <slomo> \sh: fixed g-p-m :) i just need to wrap it into a patch ;)
[12:12] <bddebian> slomo: Rockin' d00d
[12:32] <ajmitch> spplus fixed, uploaded
[12:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: rockin'
[01:01] <slomo> \sh: do you want to upload fixed gsmlib and g-p-m for me?
[01:03] <dholbach> good night guys
[01:03] <\sh> slomo: send me the debdiffs via email, I will take care about it this morning..I have to get up early cause of my little one :)
[01:03] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[01:03] <dholbach> see you
[01:03] <slomo> \sh: aaah... everybody says tomorrow ;) pleeeease upload one of the both now so we don't have to wait for it to hit the archives :(
[01:03] <slomo> gn8 dholbach :)
[01:04] <\sh> slomo: give me the debdiffs now ;)
[01:04] <slomo> \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/~slomo/gsmlib_1.10-6ubuntu2.debdiff
[01:04] <slomo> \sh: g-p-m is just a rebuild after that ;)
[01:06] <\sh> slomo: gsmlib uploaded without further checks ;-)
[01:06] <slomo> \sh: "works for me" ;)
[01:07] <\sh> ok..g-p-m tomorrow ;)
[01:07] <\sh> aeh today ;)
[01:07] <slomo> \sh: would take on hour anyway to get gsmlib to the archives ;) and in one hour i'm sleeping :P
[01:07] <bddebian> OK gang, gotta run for a bit.  I'll try to get some stuff done in a while.
[01:08] <\sh> yeah../me is off to bed
[01:08] <\sh> slomo: ok..cu today ;)
[01:08] <\sh> somehow ;)
[01:08] <slomo> yeah... gn8 \sh :)
[01:08] <slomo> and gn8 everybody ;)
[01:08] <\sh> g8 dudes...U ROCK :)
[01:08] <ogra> night \sh
[01:09] <ajmitch> night \sh
[01:09] <\sh> ogra: don't work too long :)
[01:09] <\sh> ajmitch: have a nice work day :)
[01:09] <ogra> 1-2h
[01:09] <\sh> ok..off
[01:11] <sistpoty> does anyone know if there's s.th. strange with the buildds (actually buildlogs)?
[01:11] <sistpoty> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/ocamlcreal/0.4-7ubuntu1/
[01:11] <sistpoty> i don't have a clue, why they fail... and why there is no i386 even?
[01:14] <sistpoty> on the other hand http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cbmlink/0.9.6-1build1/ has *only* i386 (should be all arches)...
[01:15] <sistpoty> anyone? *g*
[01:16] <ajmitch> sistpoty: no idea ;)
[01:17] <sistpoty> hm... ok, should i do s.th. about it? or just hope that these will be retriggered someday?
[01:17] <ajmitch> lamont/infinity might be the ones to ask
[01:17] <sistpoty> ok, i will do then ;)
[01:19] <sistpoty> <-- off to bed as well... gn8 everyone
[01:50] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[01:51] <tritium> hello bddebian
[01:51] <tritium> What's up?
[01:51] <bddebian> Not much man you?
[01:52] <tritium> I'm on travel (Sunnyvale/San Jose, CA).
[01:52] <bddebian> Nice
[01:53] <crimsun> hey, you're right in mdz's neck of the woods iirc
[01:53] <tritium> Is that right?
[01:53] <crimsun> I'm not 100% positive, but I think his hostmask is near there
[01:54] <tritium> Cool.  Maybe I'll ask him...
[01:55] <lamont-away> sistpoty: %cbmlink: i386                                                        # sys/io.h
[03:55] <bmonty> haha
[04:00] <bmonty> is xlibs-dev still valid for breezy or is it another package now?
[04:41] <ivoks> hi
[04:45] <bmonty> hi ivoks
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Who me?? :-)
[04:47] <ajmitch> yes you
[04:47] <bmonty> bddebian: how did you get elmo to sync the packages on MOTUToSync?
[04:47] <ajmitch> bmonty: you ask him
[04:48] <ajmitch> eg' could you synx package xyz kthxbye'
[04:48] <bmonty> what is his email?
[04:48] <ajmitch> what do you need synced
[04:48] <bmonty> childsplay and childsplay-plugins
[04:48] <hubW> hi
[04:48] <ajmitch> hm
[04:49] <bmonty> and most likely ace once I finish testing the build of the debian version
[04:49] <ajmitch> childsplay-plugins was uploaded today
[04:49] <ajmitch> as was childsplay
[04:50] <bmonty> ok, cool...i'll take them off the list then
[04:50] <ajmitch> ace looks like it's one to sync
[04:50] <ajmitch> it's been a hassle for awhile
[04:51] <ajmitch> his email is james.troup at canonical.com, iirc
[04:51] <ajmitch> although I'm not sure if that's the best address to use
[04:51] <ivoks> bddebian: do you ever sleep?
[04:51] <bddebian> bmonty: By asking him :-)
[04:51] <bddebian> ivoks: No, ajmitch keeps me up ;-P
[04:51] <ivoks> :)
[04:51] <bmonty> unless you want to backport a bunch of patches I'd suggest syncing ace :)
[04:51] <ivoks> insomnia
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: bah
[04:52] <bddebian> :-)
[04:52] <ajmitch> sounds like my ubuntu time will be limited over the next week or two
[04:52] <bddebian> bmonty: I have been pinging him on IRC in #u-d
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: Noooo
[04:52] <ajmitch> I've been asked to put in more hours to get work coding done
[04:52] <bddebian> Gotta get back to "Lost", bbiab
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bummer
[04:53] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/konavli_ubuntu.jpg - widescreen background
[04:53] <bddebian> bmonty: BTW, xlibs-dev should still be OK afaik
[04:53] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah, I think I convinced myself of that by looking back through the devel mailing list
[04:55] <ajmitch> xlibs-dev still works
[04:55] <ajmitch> ivoks: small :)
[04:55] <ajmitch> looks nice though
[04:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: what resolution would you like? :)
[04:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: can you clean your sync list as well?
[04:57] <ajmitch> ivoks: 2560x1024 ;)
[04:57] <ivoks> 1600x1200?
[04:57] <ajmitch> only 1024x768 for the laptop though
[04:57] <ivoks> lol
[04:59] <ivoks> i have few nice photos..
[04:59] <ivoks> i could make another wallpapers and upload to art.ubuntu.com
[04:59] <ajmitch> might as well
[04:59] <tritium> That's a nice one, ivoks
[05:00] <ivoks> thanks
[05:01] <tritium> :)
[05:03] <ivoks> would it be too much if i would add ubuntu logo on pictures of the town?
[05:03] <hubW> thank you so much for wxgtk2.6
[05:04] <hubW> hugin looks way nicer
[05:04] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/summer2005/img008.jpeg.html - for example, on this one?
[05:06] <bmonty> what town is that?
[05:06] <ivoks> dubrovnik
[05:06] <bmonty> country?
[05:07] <ivoks> croatia
[05:07] <ivoks> all pics are from croatia in that album
[05:09] <LaserJock> Hi all!  I was looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps and I had a few questions.
[05:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes?
[05:10] <ajmitch> bmonty: put ace in your love list on unmet deps :)
[05:10] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure what needs to be done
[05:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: do the same with debtags
[05:10] <bmonty> k
[05:10] <LaserJock> Are all of the items in NOBODY up for grabs?
[05:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: fix all the packages on the list
[05:10] <ajmitch> most of them are
[05:10] <ajmitch> we have to try & keep the wiki in sync with reality
[05:11] <ajmitch> eg network-manager isn't NOBODY
[05:11] <LaserJock> well, I ran the code that is on the top of the page
[05:11] <bmonty> ajmitch: I put ace in the sync list at the bottom
[05:11] <ajmitch> bmonty: take it out of nobody then
[05:11] <bmonty> it is
[05:12] <ajmitch> ok
[05:12] <ajmitch> there are a few there that have had someone working on them
[05:12] <bmonty> damn, that package takes a long time to build
[05:12] <ajmitch> bmonty: of course :)
[05:13] <bmonty> ivoks: I like the pictures, looks like a cool place to visit
[05:13] <LaserJock> OK, so I built  a gnome-chemistry-utils package using pbuilder, is that what you want?
[05:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: depends if it's fixed or not
[05:13] <LaserJock> It seemed so simple that I wasn't sure if I was missing something
[05:14] <ajmitch> it depends if libgtkglext1-dev has been fixed or not
[05:14] <ajmitch> since it gets GL/GLU deps frmo there
[05:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there are a few packages left like that that can just be rebuilt,but a number of others that need changes
[05:15] <ivoks> bmonty: yup
[05:15] <LaserJock> so, if it builds OK then it's good to go?
[05:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: heh, no
[05:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: unmet deps are for installability, not whether they just build
[05:16] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[05:17] <LaserJock> so, if I build them and then try to install them?
[05:17] <ajmitch> Package libgchemutils0c2 version 0.4.1-0dl2ubuntu1 has an unmet dep: Depends: libopenbabel0
[05:17] <ajmitch> if that dependency has changed on a rebuild, it would probably work
[05:20] <LaserJock> ok, I have noticed with another package, ghemical, that the dependency is on libopenbabel0 but what is really there is libopenbabel0c2
[05:20] <ajmitch> they're in the same source package
[05:25] <LaserJock> forgive me for asking such stupid questions. I am trying to get the hang of packaging.
[05:26] <LaserJock> when I install the gnome-chemistry-utils that I built I get :libgchemutils-dev depends on libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.6.0)
[05:27] <LaserJock> so how do you meet unmet deps, do you change the package that has unmet deps or do you try to build the packages that it is depending on?
[05:27] <wickedpuppy> LaserJock, are you using breezy ?
[05:27] <LaserJock> yep
[05:28] <crimsun> if your package has unmet deps, you fix the unmet deps so that your package is installable again
[05:28] <chillywilly> is breezy's X still severely broken?
[05:28] <crimsun> Breezy's X Window System works fine here
[05:28] <bmonty> chillywilly: no
[05:28] <crimsun> (915)
[05:28] <ajmitch> chillywilly: no, and it hasn't been for quite awhile
[05:28] <chillywilly> ok, maybe I'll upgrade then ;)
[05:29] <LaserJock> crimsun, so in this case I would have to have libgtk2.0-dev >=2.6.0 built, right?
[05:30] <bmonty> LaserJock: libgtk2.0-dev is in the archive
[05:30] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.6.0) is satisfied for both Hoary and Breezy
[05:30] <crimsun> are you building on a Warty machine or a Ubuntu machine that doesn't have the main repo enableD?
[05:31] <chillywilly> Need to get 655MB of archives.
[05:31] <chillywilly> After unpacking 432MB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:31] <chillywilly> oy :)
[05:31] <LaserJock> ok, so what I did is I took the .debs I built running pbuilder and I just tried to install them with dpkg -i . That is probably stupid
[05:33] <chillywilly> gettin 5MBps download rocks
[05:34] <LaserJock> when I do apt-get -s install libgtk2.0-dev it gives me a list of like 11 unmet deps
[05:35] <crimsun> you _can't_ install libgtk2.0-dev? Something's broken.
[05:35] <hub_> breezy X does not works that well here
[05:35] <hub_> still can't use my custom keymap
[05:36] <hub_> for stupid french keyboard
[05:36] <hub_> no | ]  }
[05:37] <LaserJock> crimsun: well for some reason apt-get didn't work but aptitude did. donno why
[05:39] <chillywilly> looks like breezy has some gnome 2.12 stuff in it :)
[05:39] <bmonty> maybe you need to run "apt-get install -f"?
[05:39] <LaserJock> OK, so I used pbuilder to build gnome-chemistry-utils .debs and I was able to install them fine.
[05:39] <hub_> well I need to have a match layout / physical
[05:39] <hub_> and it is a laptop
[05:39] <hub_> otherwise I have US keyboar
[05:41] <LaserJock> So, does that mean that the deps have been met?
[05:42] <crimsun> if the package that you tried to install works, yes
[05:42] <LaserJock> ok, so now what do I do with it?
[05:43] <crimsun> what was your original intent?
[05:43] <LaserJock> well, it is on the list on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:44] <ivoks> hm...
[05:44] <ivoks> why is openscenegraph on the unmet list?
[05:44] <bmonty> LaserJock: add it to the "Just needs a Rebuild" table next to your name
[05:44] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[05:44] <ivoks> and network-manager?
[05:45] <crimsun> ivoks: some of the packages probably haven't been moved to their proper places on the list
[05:46] <ajmitch> ivoks: the list needs a cleanup again
[05:46] <ivoks> ah, ok
[05:46] <ajmitch> this is why I'd prefer to use malone :)
[05:46] <ajmitch> (once it has support for certain things)
[05:47] <bmonty> yeah the wiki is definately not the perfect tool
[05:48] <LaserJock> ok, so I see that gnome-chemistry-utils is listed under done section for ThierryMoisan, but I checked to see if a binary package existed for breezy and I ddin't see one
[05:49] <LaserJock> so does that mean he didn't but it hasn't been added to the repo yet?
[05:49] <LaserJock> *did it
[05:52] <bmonty> gnome-chemistry-utils is the source package name, it generates other binary packages
[05:52] <bmonty> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/gnome-chemistry-utils
[05:53] <ivoks> just to be sure...
[05:53] <ivoks> if package had build-dep somelib-dev
[05:53] <ivoks> and that somelib-dev depends on somelibc2
[05:53] <ivoks> but package requests somelibc102
[05:53] <ivoks> it needs rebuild, right?
[05:53] <ajmitch> ivoks: shlibs might be broken
[05:53] <ivoks> no shlibs
[05:54] <ajmitch> if a rebuild doesn't fix that
[05:54] <ivoks> that's the thing...
[05:54] <ivoks> 112MB for d/w
[05:54] <ivoks> lol, another package...
[05:55] <ivoks> k3d need rebuild
[05:55] <LaserJock> ok, so if I try "sudo apt-get -s install gchemutils" i get an unmet dep error, but I was able to install the one I built so does that mean that it is fixed?
[05:56] <ajmitch> ivoks: I uploaded k3d today
[05:56] <ajmitch> ivoks: what's wrong with it?
[05:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: oh, ok
[05:56] <LaserJock> and if so, why does it under done for ThierryMoisan on the wiki page?
[05:56] <ivoks> ajmitch: k3d: Depends: libmagick++6 but it is not installable
[05:56] <ivoks> Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.2) but it is not installable
[05:57] <ajmitch> hmmm
[05:57] <ivoks> there are c2 for both
[05:57] <ivoks> it needs rebuil
[05:57] <ivoks> d
[05:57] <ivoks> but if u uploaded...
[05:57] <ajmitch> I uploaded
[05:58] <ivoks> hm, hm...
[05:58] <ajmitch> will check build logs
[05:58] <ajmitch> since the deps are ok for my pbuilder-built package
[05:58] <ivoks> deps are ok in control
[05:58] <LaserJock> just curious, what does the c2 mean? I've seen it a lot and it seems to be the cause for some of the unmet deps I am looking at
[05:58] <ivoks> c2 are libs compiled with gcc/g++ 4
[05:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: it's just that k3d that I uploaded isn't in archive yet
[05:59] <ivoks> ajmitch: oh, great
[05:59] <LaserJock> oh, that makes sense
[05:59] <ivoks> LaserJock: there was big transition from 3.4 to 4.0
[05:59] <ivoks> LaserJock: some libs needed to be recompiled, but we needed old ones to for old packages
[06:00] <ajmitch> ivoks: the build hasn't been tried, it was ACCEPTED though
[06:00] <ivoks> LaserJock: and we had somelib and somelibc2
[06:00] <LaserJock> yeah, i know. I just didn't know that that is what the c2 meant. I would hav thought it would have been c4 or something
[06:00] <ajmitch> ivoks: so I guess it could be dep-wait
[06:00] <ivoks> ajmitch: np, we know it's fixed
[06:01] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[06:01] <ivoks> bmonty: night
[06:01] <ivoks> where are you? :)
[06:01] <ivoks> it's morning here :))
[06:01] <ivoks> 6AM
[06:01] <ajmitch> night bmonty
[06:02] <bmonty> ivoks: Nebraska, USA
[06:02] <ajmitch> I guess he's going to bed early :)
[06:02] <ivoks> bmonty: ah, ok :)
[06:02] <bmonty> its 11PM here
[06:02] <ivoks> :)
[06:02] <bmonty> I was waiting to see if ace finished, but it won
[06:03] <tritium> good night bmonty...go huskers ;)
[06:03] <ivoks> ubuntu working hours: 0-48
[06:03] <bmonty> for the record, I am not a husker fan
[06:03] <bmonty> :)
[06:03] <tritium> bmonty, okay...never mind that part :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Gnight monty
[06:06] <bmonty> goodnight again
[06:06] <ivoks> ghc5 and ghc6 needs love
[06:06] <ivoks> they'll fix few packages, when fixed
[06:06] <bddebian> Aye
[06:06] <ajmitch> ivoks: lamont is loving them
[06:06] <ivoks> guys, target libs
[06:06] <ivoks> :)
[06:07] <bddebian> ?
[06:07] <ajmitch> you want high-impact, low-cast, super-calories fixes?
[06:07] <ivoks> yeah
[06:07] <lamont-away> ivoks: ghc6 is in.  ghc5 I have no plans to give love to, unless someone convinces me there's a real need
[06:07] <ivoks> lamont-away: i'll do it then
[06:07] <ivoks> wtf is ghc anyway? :)
[06:08] <bddebian> lamont-away: ghc6 is done?
[06:08] <lamont-away> ivoks: haskell compiler.
[06:08] <lamont-away> ghc6 is done, unless you're unfortunate enough to be ppc or one of the SCC arches.
[06:08] <ivoks> eh
[06:08] <ajmitch> lamont-away: wonderful
[06:08] <bddebian> lamont: Rockin'.  Good work!!
[06:09] <lamont> ivoks: ghc5 is old and everything is (should be) transitioning away from it.
[06:09] <lamont> it also requires love from me/infinity to get in the archive, since it build-depends itself.
[06:09] <bddebian> Yeah I hate that shit :-)
[06:09] <ajmitch> most things that build-dep on ghc5 appear to have ghc6 | ghc5
[06:10] <ivoks> yup
[06:10] <LaserJock> ok, just for clarification, if something is in the done section of UniverseUnmetDeps does that mean the work has been done it just needs to uploaded to the repo?
[06:10] <bddebian> LaserJock: Done should mean done and uploaded
[06:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Cleaned MOTUToSync just for you honey :-)
[06:11] <ivoks> lamont: ok
[06:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: but gnome-chemistry-utils is in the done section but it is not in the repo
[06:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: :P
[06:11] <lamont> ivoks: (hence my lack of care about ghc5... )
[06:12] <bddebian> LaserJock: Is it in the NOBODY list too?
[06:12] <LaserJock> yes
[06:12] <bddebian> Hmm, may have broken again or someone didn't check their buildlogs :-)
[06:15] <LaserJock> so, should I just put it under "Just Needs a Rebuild"?
[06:15] <bddebian> If that is all that it needs.
[06:15] <ivoks> damn..
[06:15] <ivoks> i give up
[06:15] <ivoks> every package i grab depends on ghc
[06:15] <ivoks> :)
[06:15] <bddebian> ivoks: Heh, I feel your pain :-)
[06:16] <ivoks> that wiki will be a lot smaller when lamont uploads ghc6 :)
[06:16] <ivoks> lamont: thank you for doing big job
[06:16] <lamont> ivoks: uh, ghc6 should be there...
[06:17] <ajmitch> last upload of gnome-chemistry utils was back in june, for cxx
[06:17] <lamont> grumble
[06:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Who's done list is gnome-chemistry on?
[06:18] <LaserJock> ThierryMoisan
[06:18] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:19] <ivoks> bye all
[06:19] <lamont> so, ghc6 building now
[06:19] <lamont> grumble - thought I'd done that
[06:25] <LaserJock> ok, so on UniverseUnmetDeps what does external mean?
[06:26] <bddebian> No one knows :-)
[06:26] <ajmitch> someone else was to take care of them
[06:26] <ajmitch> they're probably all fixed now
[06:26] <LaserJock> except the one I want of coures (ghemical)
[06:26] <ajmitch> fix it then if you wish
[06:27] <LaserJock> well, I would like to but I don't wan to step on anybody''s toes :-(
[06:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Go for it
[06:28] <ajmitch> nobody cares about that round here..
[06:28] <bddebian> I do.  He might be big and it might hurt my toes.. ;-P
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, so basicly I get something running and then I add it to "Just Needs a Rebuild" or "Non-MOTU Fixes" under my name?
[06:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: If you determine that a rebuild will fix the deps, just add it to "Just Needs a Rebuild".  If you have to change some deps, post a debdiff somewhere and put in on Non-MOTU fixes.
[06:33] <LaserJock> ok, thanks bddebian (and everybody else). I am sorry for all the dumb questions. I just want to help and some of the programs on the list are of interest of me so as well as getting them running for myself I would like to help out others
[06:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: They aren't dumb questions and we appreciate any help we can get.  Ask ajmitch how many dump questions I have asked him over the last couple months. :-)
[06:34] <whiprush> hi ajmitch
[06:34] <ajmitch> yo whiprush
[06:35] <whiprush> question for you.
[06:35] <ajmitch> uh oh
[06:35] <whiprush> to whom shall I send cases of beer to to get network-manager fixed?
[06:35] <ajmitch> ooh
[06:35] <ajmitch> Diziet has been working on it, as well as another guy
[06:35] <whiprush> k
[06:35] <ajmitch> it's in universe, so not getting nearly as much love
[06:36] <ajmitch> there was meant to be a new upload done sometime soon
[06:36] <whiprush> it's broken in universe, but that J^ dude's packages have been working great for me.
[06:36] <ajmitch> yeah, we were going to upload j^'s package
[06:36] <whiprush> it's like, needed soon.
[06:36] <ajmitch> how so?
[06:36] <ajmitch> it will remain in universe for breezy
[06:37] <whiprush> that is understandable.
[06:37] <ajmitch> sad to say, but it's still needing some work
[06:37] <ryanthiessen> whiprush: you asked earlier on your blog about how to compile banshee on breezy -- if you haven't done it yet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BansheeHowto
[06:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Think you can delegate Nafallo to try my GL/GLU transitions again? :-)
[06:37] <ajmitch> ryanthiessen: packages have been made
[06:37] <ryanthiessen> d'oh!
[06:37] <whiprush> but a) FC4 shipped with it and it works, and b) I would argue that it's a requirement for anyone with a laptop.
[06:37] <whiprush> ajmitch: yeah the novell guys have been testing on ubuntu lately, so all my issues have been fixed.
[06:38] <ajmitch> ryanthiessen: eww, you suggested compiling from source & all..
[06:38] <whiprush> ditto with ifolder too.
[06:38] <ajmitch> whiprush: sure, but we're stretched a little thin here..
[06:38] <ryanthiessen> ajmitch: hey, I didn't know there were packages... none of it was in universe/multiverse
[06:38] <whiprush> I know. :(
[06:38] <ajmitch> ryanthiessen: it's not uploaded yet
[06:39] <ajmitch> since I've still got to review it for slomo
[06:39] <whiprush> ajmitch: this is why I've got a "all drinks are on me" to the guy that fixes it. :p
[06:40] <whiprush> hmmm, maybe I'll do a bounty. :p
[06:40] <bddebian> drinks??  What is the package? ;-)
[06:40] <whiprush> heh
[06:41] <LaserJock> heah, I have a totally unrelated question for you guys. Do you guys know what the deal with the gnuplot and readline licencing issue is?
[06:42] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, apart from gnuplot not being at all GNU, so probably not a GPL license
[06:42] <jblack> what do you mean that gnuplot isn't gnu?
[06:42] <ajmitch> libreadline is GPL, so apps that use it have to be GPL-compatible
[06:43] <ajmitch> jblack: just that, it's not associated with the GNU project
[06:43] <LaserJock> for some reason, debian/ubuntu are the only distros I've found that don't ship gnuplot with the gnu readline compiles in
[06:43] <ajmitch> gnuplot is a 4-clause BSD license
[06:43] <ajmitch> which is free, but adds restrictions on top of GPL
[06:44] <ajmitch> sorry, not quite 4-clause BSD, but looks similar
[06:44] <jblack> go figure!
[06:45] <LaserJock> so why do other distro not have a problem with it? is it because Debian has stricter licencing policies?
[06:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[06:47] <ajmitch> other distros shouldn't do it, afaict
[06:47] <LaserJock> hmmm, sure is a pain in the butt
[06:48] <bddebian> OK bedtime folks.  Enjoy.
[06:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: If you happen to see Nafallo ask him if he has time to hit my new GL/GLU stuff. :-)
[06:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: why Nafallo ?
[06:49] <ajmitch> why not any other MOTU with upload rights?
[06:49] <ajmitch> are we not special enough? ;)
[06:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, just because he hit the others
[06:49] <bddebian> Sheesh
[06:49] <bddebian> :-)
[06:50] <ajmitch> sure..
[06:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well YOU could do them for me but you keep whining about some "work" thing.. ;-P
[06:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, get over it ;)
[06:52] <bddebian> hehe, anyway, gnight folks.
[06:52] <ajmitch> if they're not uploaded in the next hour or so (by when I'll be home), I'll do it
[06:52] <bddebian> Oh awesome, thanks man
[06:53] <chillywilly> wee, runnin' breezy now
[06:53] <bddebian> chillywilly: About time. :-)
[06:58] <chillywilly> so did they change nautilus to not be spatil by default in 2.12?
[06:58] <chillywilly> spatial
[06:59] <whiprush> it's spatial by default upstream
[06:59] <whiprush> ubuntu's default isn't spatial.
[06:59] <chillywilly> bah
[06:59] <chillywilly> wtf
[07:01] <jsgotangco> hey whiprush
[07:01] <whiprush> hi jarome!
[07:33] <[Chameleon] > spacial sucks. I'm glad Ubuntu is not spacial by default.
[09:06] <pef> hello
[09:07] <siretart> morning
[09:07] <pef> siretart : have you free time to check my debdiff ?
[09:07] <siretart> pef: sorry, I'm at work right now :(
[09:08] <pef> :|
[09:08] <siretart> pef: is it urgent? what is it about?
[09:08] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[09:08] <dholbach> good morning
[09:08] <pef> siretart : nothing very important, juste gl transition
[09:08] <dholbach> hey jerome :)
[09:08] <pef> dholbach : hello
[09:08] <siretart> dholbach: morning!
[09:09] <dholbach> hey loic, reinhard
[09:09] <dholbach> how is it going?
[09:09] <pef> When I update the build-dependencies for the gl transition, should I do others minors changes lik I do ? (adding homepage to description, bump standard-version, etc)
[09:10] <dholbach> if you like
[09:10] <siretart> pef: I personally would only do that if I also intend to take over maintainership for that package
[09:10] <dholbach> it's just that those changes have to re-merged, when we get a new debian version
[09:11] <siretart> doing such trivial changes are likley to cause conflicts during merge, which we have to resolve manually. Espc. when the maintainer changes that part on his own but in another way
[09:12] <pef> ohh I see..so only the maintainer should make changes like this ?
[09:13] <siretart> you will get different answers dependen on whom you ask.
[09:13] <siretart> depending
[09:13] <pef> :] 
[09:14] <pef> siretart: but when a package is very strange, like gl packages in recomends field (galan)
[09:15] <siretart> pef: yeah, I now. Therefore you cannot make a general rule about this.
[09:15] <siretart> espc. for strange packages like galan
[09:15] <siretart> this is a case by case decision
[09:16] <pef> ok, thank you
[09:17] <pef> I'm going to search for inexistent packages in Recommends and Suggests fields (like unmetdeps), is it a good idea ?
[09:18] <siretart> are we already done with Depends?!
[09:18] <pef> yes
[09:18] <pef> no
[09:18] <pef> oups
[09:19] <pef> it's not a transition but a long term idae
[09:19] <pef> s/idae/idea
[09:20] <siretart> recommends might be a good idea if we had enough time
[09:20] <siretart> suggests only if we had too much time ;)
[09:20] <pef> ok :)
[09:21] <pef> I have to go out to search a job  bye !
[09:55] <robitaille> dholbach,  ping
[09:56] <dholbach> robitaille: pong
[09:57] <robitaille> dholbach,  to answer your question from 24 hours ago, ipodder from debian unstable directly install in breezy, and appears to work normally; and it's a python script, so no need to recompile.  So can we have it for universe....please :)
[09:57] <dholbach> sounds rocking
[09:57] <dholbach> does it have severe bugs already?
[09:59] <robitaille> debian bts seems pretty quiet, 3 opened bug ; but no obvious problem for us
[09:59] <dholbach> super
[09:59] <dholbach> will request a sync
[10:00] <siretart> ddd segfaults when moving window around :(
[10:00] <siretart> and it is universe. and I have no clue why. and I need ddd now :(
[10:00] <siretart> yes. I'm whining.. I know :(
[10:00] <robitaille> dholbach,  thanks
[10:00] <dholbach> siretart: does a ddd stack trace say something interesting?
[10:01] <siretart> dholbach: #0  0xb7da272e in _XtWaitForSomething () from /usr/lib/libXt.so.6
[10:03] <dholbach> maybe if you compile it with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug noopt nostrip" and have another look?
[10:04] <siretart> you mean ddd? lets try..
[10:04] <dholbach> yep
[10:04] <dholbach> maybe it's solved by a recompile, maybe you get more info with debugging symbols in
[10:05] <siretart> I already recompiled it, no change
[10:05] <dholbach> is there a xt-dbg package?
[10:07] <siretart> yes, libxt6-dbg
[10:10] <dholbach> installing it might be helpful in the backtrace as well
[10:11] <siretart> dholbach: after installing I get this:
[10:11] <siretart> #0  0xb7d6172e in _XtWaitForSomething (app=0x8350868, ignoreEvents=0, ignoreTimers=1,
[10:11] <siretart>     ignoreInputs=1, ignoreSignals=1, block=Variable "block" is not available.
[10:11] <siretart> ) at ../../src/NextEvent.c:194
[10:11] <siretart> 194     ../../src/NextEvent.c: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden.
[10:11] <siretart>         in ../../src/NextEvent.c
[10:12] <dholbach> hrm
[10:19] <Lathiat>        fff
[10:19] <siretart> dholbach: I'm filing a bugzilla bug against libxt
[10:19] <dholbach> you're sure it's not a ddd issue?
[10:20] <siretart> _XtWaitForSomething() sounds like a part of libxt
[10:21] <siretart> and ddd works in debian, only X is different
[10:21] <siretart> I know this is not a proof, but a guess. but still
[10:22] <siretart> dholbach: still objections?
[10:23] <dholbach> might be a NULL pointer passed to libxt
[10:30] <Gervystar> dholbach: yesterday I've tried the network-manager package from revu and it seems to be working fine :)
[10:31] <dholbach> Gervystar: excellent
[10:33] <Gervystar> dholbach: unfortunately the vpn module doesn't seem to work as well
[10:34] <dholbach> Gervystar: you could get in touch with j^ for that
[10:35] <Gervystar> dholbach: ok, as he comes back i'll contact him if I have some spare time
[10:35] <dholbach> ok, thanks for that
[10:47] <Gervystar> ah, is there any work in progress for the inclusion of the newer gnome-bluetooth module?
[10:47] <dholbach> afaik it depends on a newer gnokii
[10:48] <Gervystar> I've tried to compile it by myself about a month ago, but the send-to facility via nautilus wasn't working
[10:48] <dholbach> maybe it works now *shrug*
[10:48] <Gervystar> dholbach: I should try then :)
[10:48] <dholbach> it'd absolutely ROCK to have it
[10:48] <dholbach> so i highly appreciate your work in that area :)
[10:49] <dholbach> chmj works on bluetooth in general - so discussing stuff with him might be a good thing to do
[10:50] <Gervystar> dholbach: ok, thanks for the pointers. I'll do as much as I can to help :)
[10:50] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:50] <dholbach> bluetooth goodness :)
[10:51] <dholbach> morning \sh
[10:51] <\sh> moins
[10:52] <dholbach> brb - have to re-adjust cables
[10:57] <\sh> u mean the version numbers?
[10:58] <\sh> ogra: good morning btw :)
[10:58] <ogra> yup
[10:58] <ogra> silly guys
[10:58] <Burgundavia> ogra, got a link?
[10:59] <ogra> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/utnubu-discuss
[10:59] <\sh> dholbach: say thank you to slomo who fixed gsmlib so that gnome-phone-manager is working
[11:00] <dholbach> slomo_: YOU ROCK! *HUG*
[11:00] <dholbach> :)
[11:00] <dholbach> excellent work
[11:00] <\sh> gnome-phone-manager just uploaded ;)
[11:00] <Gervystar> fine :)
[11:00] <dholbach> rock AND roll
[11:00] <dholbach> :)
[11:00] <\sh> wow 9:00 UTC my fist upload for today *eg*
[11:01] <\sh> hmm...I need a printer
[11:02] <\sh> so I have to go this night into office and print my tax stuff
[11:04] <\sh> preview cds out?
[12:25] <pef> what are the requirements to become a MOTU ?
[12:26] <dholbach> pef: become a member in the CC meeting, work with us, become motu in TB meeting :)
[12:27] <pef> dholbach: you mean approved ubuntu member ?
[12:28] <dholbach> yes
[12:28] <dholbach> that's the first step
[12:28] <dholbach> we should update our documentation to mention the launchpad links
[12:28] <pef> i'm an approved member ;)
[12:28] <dholbach> super
[12:28] <dholbach> then TB meeting is next
[12:28] <dholbach> do you have a signed gpg key?
[12:29] <dholbach> signed from someone in the closely connected set?
[12:29] <pef> not yet, nobody in france in the strong set closely enough to me :/
[12:30] <dholbach> did you look on biglumber?
[12:30] <pef> dholbach: yes, I've setup an account
[12:30] <dholbach> or on the debian new maintainer pages
[12:30] <pef> what does TB means ?
[12:30] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnsignedGpgKey
[12:30] <dholbach> TechnicalBoard
[12:32] <pef> not many people in France :/
[12:32] <dholbach> where were you again?
[12:33] <pef> east of france
[12:36] <dholbach> brb
[12:36] <\sh> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGettingIntoIt
[12:36] <\sh> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved
[12:39] <dholbach> pef: if nothing else helps you have to verify your identity at a notary and send that information with a copy of the passport and your gpg fingerprint to somebody to let it be signed
[12:40] <pef> dholbach: is it expensive ?
[12:40] <dholbach> i have no idea to be honest
[12:43] <ajmitch> hi
[12:43] <StrikeForce> hi
[12:43] <\sh> morning ajmitch
[12:43] <pef> dholbach: and who is able to say "ok, you are able to become a MOTU" ?
[12:44] <\sh> work with us, and we will speak for u in front of the TB
[12:44] <pef> ok :] 
[12:45] <\sh> and document your work on your wiki page
[12:45] <ajmitch> what's new?
[12:49] <ajmitch> hm, package still there
[12:49] <j^> whats with NEW and network-manager?
[12:50] <ajmitch> j^: huh?
[12:50] <ajmitch> did you introduce or rename any binary packages in n-m?
[12:50] <tseng> no
[12:50] <tseng> the upload is no good
[12:50] <ajmitch> ah
[12:50] <tseng> and ti doesnt send a mail
[12:50] <tseng> because j isnt whitlisted
[12:50] <ajmitch> makes sense
[12:50] <tseng> so we have NFC
[12:53] <j^> so? anything i can do on my side?
[12:53] <ajmitch> not until we find out what it was
[12:54] <ajmitch> it still had Binary: network-manager, libnm-glib-0, libnm-glib-0-dev
[12:54] <ajmitch> ?
[12:54] <j^> ajmitch i did not change that
[12:54] <ajmitch> ok
[12:55] <\sh> dholbach: g-p-m is done :) check it ;)
[12:56] <Mithrandir> anybody seen wasabi aroud lately?
[12:57] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: not in the last couple of days, at least
[12:57] <ajmitch> my memory is unreliable past that
[12:57] <Mithrandir> eclipse is totally fubar
[12:58] <Lathiat> i last saw im
[12:58] <Lathiat> 2 days ago
[12:58] <\sh> Mithrandir: monday it was
[12:58] <Lathiat> that was on gnome-hackers
[12:59] <\sh> no that was maswan ;)
[12:59] <Lathiat> eh?
[12:59] <\sh> siretart: what's the problem with xfig?
[01:00] <Gervystar> j^: I'm using network-manager from REVU and it's working well. Just a question: are the vpn options meant to be used with vpnc only?
[01:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: finally got k3d uploaded for you ;)
[01:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i saw thanks :)
[01:01] <\sh> siretart:       XAPPLOADDIR = $(LIBDIR)/app-defaults
[01:01] <dholbach> \sh, slomo: excelltn
[01:01] <j^> Gervystar right now there is only one plugin for vpnc
[01:01] <dholbach> excellent :)
[01:01] <\sh> siretart: same problem as in xterm
[01:02] <Gervystar> dholbach: I've tried compiling the new gnome-bluetooth and libbtctl from cvs, but this time I got a compilation failure. I should check it
[01:02] <dholbach> super
[01:02] <dholbach> that's one step furhter :)
[01:02] <Gervystar> j^: ok, thanks.
[01:02] <\sh> siretart: set XAPPLOADDIR hardcoded to /etc/X11/app-defaults in the Makefile.noimake and adjust the debian/install paths or something like that
[01:02] <dholbach> did the gnokii stuff work?
[01:02] <j^> Gervystar someone looked into adding one for openvpn, but it did not show up so far
[01:02] <Gervystar> dholbach: I haven't found any references to gnokii in the packages documentation
[01:03] <dholbach> oh wow
[01:03] <dholbach> maybe in ./configure --help?
[01:03] <Gervystar> dholbach: but I did it in hurry, maybe I should check more carefully
[01:03] <dholbach> don't worry - maybe i'm wrong
[01:03] <dholbach> brb
[01:03] <dholbach> see you
[01:03] <Gervystar> bye :)
[01:03] <j^> Gervystar i have this http://bootlab.org/~j/openvpn in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d so openvpn is restarted each time i switch networks
[01:04] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[01:08] <siretart> re
[01:08] <dholbach> :)
[01:08] <ogra> is anybody in here familiar with getspnam()
[01:09] <ogra> ?
[01:09] <Mithrandir> ogra: what do you wonder about?
[01:09] <ogra> Mithrandir, i try to write a small function to find out if a password is set for a user or not
[01:10] <ogra> Mithrandir, for #7150
[01:10] <ogra> getpwnam seems not appropriate :(
[01:11] <ogra> and something like this doesnt work:
[01:11] <ogra> spwd = getspnam(argv[1] );
[01:11] <ogra> user_entry = getpwnam(argv[1] );
[01:11] <ogra> if (spwd)
[01:11] <ogra>         user_entry->pw_passwd = spwd->sp_pwdp;
[01:12] <Mithrandir> ogra: what are you trying to do using that code?
[01:13] <ogra> finding a zero lentght password by running strlen(user_entry->pw_passwd) after this code...
[01:13] <ogra> or by user_entry->pw_passwd == '\0'
[01:14] <Mithrandir> what does the ubuntu line in /etc/shadow look like on the live cd?
[01:15] <ogra> no idea, it should be empty....
[01:15] <ogra> but a printf(user_entry->pw_passwd) gives me still the x from /etc/passwd
[01:15] <\sh> * or ! is it ?
[01:15] <ogra> and a printf(spwd->sp_pwdp) just gives nothing
[01:16] <ogra> (with "%s" indeed)
[01:18] <Mithrandir> just a second, I'll poke the live cd
[01:24] <\sh> siretart: patching xfig ;
[01:24] <siretart> \sh: xfig ftbfs :(
[01:25] <siretart> I gotta leave now. sorry
[01:25] <siretart> bye!
[01:25] <\sh> siretart: I will check
[01:25] <\sh> cu siretart
[01:27] <dholbach> bbl
[01:29] <ajmitch> dholbach: again? :)
[01:32] <Mithrandir> ogra: ubuntu actually has a password on the live CD.
[01:33] <ogra> Mithrandir, damned
[01:33] <\sh> hmmm
[01:34] <\sh> /usr/include/libintl.h:40: error: expected unqualified-id before 'const'
[01:34] <\sh> /usr/include/libintl.h:40: error: expected `)' before 'const'
[01:34] <\sh> on amd64
[01:34] <\sh> and on ia64
[01:34] <tfheen> ubuntu@new-host-9:~$ sudo grep ubuntu /etc/shadow
[01:34] <tfheen> ubuntu:!$1$0H9w8vSM$lhJd8H.l4vKw37fBAmImw/:13034:0:99999:7:::
[01:34] <Mithrandir> \sh: hm?
[01:34] <Mithrandir> ogra: ^^
[01:34] <\sh> yes
[01:34] <Mithrandir> \sh: what package?
[01:34] <\sh> gnome-apt
[01:35] <\sh> I'm checking it now on ravel
[01:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: but I have no idea why it actually has a password set.
[01:37] <ogra> Mithrandir, i think it hadnt in hoary
[01:37] <\sh> Mithrandir: can u install in breezy-chroot on ravel: libapt-pkg-dev (>= 0.6.31) libgksu1.2-dev libgksuui1.0-dev libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.6.1.1-4) libzvt2.0-dev
[01:37] <\sh> thx :)
[01:37] <Lathiat> it was a problem in hoary because
[01:37] <Lathiat> the screensaver would lock
[01:37] <Lathiat> and you cant unlock with a blank password
[01:38] <\sh> is there no switch that say: blank-password? just like xdm has?
[01:38] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: now it'll lock and you can't unlock because you don't have the password.
[01:38] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: I'm not sure it's an improvement. :-P
[01:38] <Lathiat>  yeh
[01:38] <Lathiat> well that password isnt 'ubuntu' so
[01:39] <\sh> enter new password ,-) as first ,-)
[01:39] <Lathiat> weir
[01:39] <Lathiat> d
[01:39] <ogra> Lathiat, that exactly what i'm working on
[01:39] <ogra> thats even
[01:39] <Mithrandir> \sh: usually, it's better for me if you say "please install the build-deps of $foo" rather than a list of packages; less work for me
[01:39] <ogra> but my fix to xscreensaver would require that there is no PW set
[01:40] <Mithrandir> \sh: but, done now.
[01:40] <Mithrandir> ogra: that doesn't work with LDAP and kerberos setups and similar, does it?
[01:40] <\sh> Mithrandir: ok :) next time :)
[01:40] <ogra> Mithrandir, nope, but with the live CD
[01:40] <ogra> Mithrandir, and with local users
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: thanks for uploading g-p-m :)
[01:41] <ogra> Mithrandir, does xscreensaver locking with kerberos work at all
[01:41] <ogra> slomo, ???
[01:41] <ogra> \sh, you uploaded g-p-m o_O ??
[01:41] <Lathiat> ogra: it works with nis
[01:41] <slomo> ogra: gnome-phone-manager, not the power-manager :)
[01:41] <Mithrandir> ogra: yes.
[01:41] <ogra> ah
[01:41] <Lathiat> but is kerberos like
[01:41] <Lathiat> non password stuff?
[01:41] <\sh> hmm..same error in libintl.h
[01:41] <\sh> ogra: hahaha...
[01:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, then it would work ...
[01:42] <ogra> Mithrandir, since sxcreensaver reads only getpwnam() output
[01:42] <Mithrandir> ogra: getpwnam just uses NSS; it uses pam for authentication.
[01:43] <ogra> Mithrandir, there is only getpwnam in the code for pw comparison afaik
[01:43] <ogra> so it must happen on a lower level i guess
[01:44] <\sh> Mithrandir: I don't want to bother u again, but I need apt-get install intltool :(
[01:44] <Mithrandir> libtool is already the newest version.
[01:44] <Mithrandir> oh, sorry
[01:45] <Mithrandir> intltool
[01:45] <\sh> ;)
[01:45] <Mithrandir> done now
[01:45] <\sh> think this is the old amd64 feature
[01:46] <Mithrandir> ogra: uhm, it has different backends, like passwd-kerberos, passwd-pam and passwd-pwent
[01:47] <\sh> wow more errors now ;)
[01:50] <torkel> Lathiat: you still need to use a password to get a kerberos ticket :-)
[01:53] <Mithrandir> torkel: or a smartcard or something like that
[01:53] <ogra> lol...
[01:53] <torkel> Mithrandir: or that. Not that commen yet though
[01:53] <ogra> xscreensaver has a locking_disabled_p var :)
[01:54] <torkel> Mithrandir: do you know the status of smartcard support in MIT kerberos? I know that Heimdal has some support for it
[01:55] <Mithrandir> torkel: shishi is rumoured to support it; I know some people are working on it for MIT as well, once in a while, but I have no idea about the status, no
[01:55] <torkel> shishi?
[01:55] <slomo> Lathiat: ping?
[01:56] <torkel> ah, Simon's new project
[01:57] <Lathiat> slomo: pong
[01:58] <slomo> Lathiat: are there already avahi 0.3 packages?
[01:58] <Mithrandir> torkel: some new kerberos implementation which is a bit shiny, but license-wise not-too-nice.  (GPL, not LGPL or MIT :/)
[01:58] <Lathiat> slomo: ross is working on it, 0.4 will release shortly and they will be uploaded
[01:59] <\sh> slomo: u have an account on ravel?
[01:59] <torkel> Mithrandir: mmm. I found it
[01:59] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, wonderfull :) i'm currently looking into seb's panel applet :)
[01:59] <slomo> \sh: nope... :(
[01:59] <Lathiat> slomo: cool
[01:59] <\sh> grmpf...I need some additional pair of eyes ;)
[02:00] <slomo> Lathiat: i just realized that it's not seb128 but another sebastien ;)
[02:00] <ajmitch> Lathiat: good, sounds like avahi is moving fast :)
[02:00] <Lathiat> sl	indeed, 'sebest'
[02:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh
[02:00] <slomo> \sh: i have a login with pbuilder access on my brother's amd64 :)
[02:00] <slomo> \sh: what do you need to test?
[02:01] <\sh> gnome-apt
[02:01] <\sh> on amd64
[02:01] <\sh> ubuntu6 this is
[02:01] <slomo> building or even running it?
[02:01] <\sh> building
[02:02] <\sh> first of all, there must be some intltool and ac* dance
[02:02] <\sh> but now it doesn't find in src/ no glib-2.0 include
[02:02] <\sh> grmpf
[02:03] <ajmitch> heh
[02:03] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll try to fix it ;)
[02:03] <\sh> argl...moment
[02:03] <\sh> give  me another try ,-)
[02:03] <slomo> ok :P
[02:04] <\sh> shiddy thing
[02:07] <\sh> slomo: no..take a peak ,-)
[02:07] <\sh> take a look
[02:07] <\sh> i'm on my daily peak now :(
[02:07] <slomo> \sh: ok, now i just have to wait for my brother to add the sources to sources.list ;)
[02:09] <\sh> well...I have to pause
[02:09] <\sh> I will shower and go shopping I'm hungry ;)
[02:10] <slomo> hf :)
[02:30] <ajmitch> night all
[02:31] <slomo> gn8 ajmitch
[02:37] <\sh> ok..showering done...well it's 12:37 UTC and I have holiday so lets have a beer ,-)
[02:37] <\sh> before I go shopping ;)
[03:19] <slomo> Lathiat: avahi rocks :) the service discovery applet is on revu in a few minutes ;) btw... can you tell sebastien to clarify the license a bit? LICENSE is GPL2 but in his files LGPL2... also a line like "Copyright (c) 2005 Name" in the headers of the sources would be nice ;)
[03:20] <Lathiat> slomo: ah sweet
[03:20] <Lathiat> slomo: will do
[03:21] <slomo> Lathiat: and better ask him if he really want to see this already into some distro... maybe he wants to mature it a bit before or something ;)
[03:21] <Lathiat> slomo: i'd wait for his 0.1
[03:21] <Lathiat> slomo: which should be soon
[03:21] <slomo> Lathiat: ok :)
[03:21] <Lathiat> (so maybe hold off on the revu upload?)
[03:21] <Lathiat> i already asked him about that
[03:21] <slomo> Lathiat: will he get some kind of homepage?
[03:22] <Lathiat> dunno
[03:25] <slomo> Lathiat: also ask him for a package name ;) i called it service-discovery-applet but maybe he wants something else :)
[03:36] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, sent the ITP :)
[03:41] <slomo> ryanthiessen: the thoggen author will release 0.4.1 soon... without debian packaging stuff :)
[03:46] <slomo> does someone know a python / pygtk2 package which uses configure and not the setup.py stuff?
[03:47] <Lathiat> slomo: service-discovery-applet? ;p
[03:47] <slomo> something else :P
[03:47] <Lathiat> avahi? ;p
[03:47] <Lathiat> whats the problem?
[03:48] <slomo> configure checks for "checking for python module gnomeapplet... no"... it is there and when i try to import it by hand in a pbuilder chroot i get an exception that it can't open the display (nothing special ;) )
[03:48] <slomo> can this be prevented somehow?
[03:48] <Lathiat> ah
[03:48] <Lathiat> thats a gtk thing
[03:48] <Lathiat> that should still work tho
[03:49] <Lathiat> the configure check specificaly checks for an import error
[03:49] <slomo> but doesn't ;)
[03:49] <Lathiat> actually
[03:49] <slomo> when i do "import gtk;" by hand i get this:
[03:49] <slomo> >>> import gtk;
[03:49] <slomo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:49] <slomo>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[03:49] <slomo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 37, in ?    from _gtk import *
[03:49] <slomo> RuntimeError: could not open display
[03:49] <Lathiat> might be different for gnomeapplet
[03:49] <Lathiat> as it imports gtk
[03:49] <Lathiat> but because that didnt import
[03:49] <slomo> but gtk works... only gnomeapplet doesn't
[03:49] <Lathiat> it might throw an import error on gnomeapplet
[03:50] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:50] <Lathiat> that is in fact the case
[03:50] <slomo> yes... import error
[03:50] <Lathiat> bah
[03:50] <Lathiat> this is ugly
[03:50] <slomo> yes... do you know a workaround? (other than patching configure ;) )
[03:51] <Lathiat> slomo: yeh that sucks
[03:56] <slomo> any ideas?
[03:57] <slomo> it simply breaks because gnomeapplet can't import gtk... hmm, maybe i'll give seb128 a patch ;)
[03:59] <Lathiat> slomo: you mean sebest?
[03:59] <Lathiat> slomo: so the solution
[03:59] <Lathiat> slomo: is to use a 'better' AM_CHECK_PYMOD
[04:00] <Whistler> hello
[04:01] <Whistler> can anybody tell me the nick of any op in ubuntu channel?
[04:01] <Whistler> cause i got ban there again and i dont know why
[04:01] <slomo> Lathiat: nope... seb128 for fixing python-gnome2-extras ;)
[04:04] <slomo> Lathiat: but can you tell sebest about it? maybe he can simply fix AM_CHECK_PYMOD to be more intelligent ;)
[04:05] <Lathiat> yeh im investigating that atm
[04:05] <slomo> Lathiat: thanks :)
[04:06] <Mithrandir> somebody might want to update the network-manager snapshot in universe; it's uninstallable atm.
[04:07] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: yeh j^ has been workin gon it however theres a bit of bitchfighting over it
[04:07] <Lathiat> dunno what happened with it
[04:08] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:09] <Travis_Watkins__> ack, sorry
[04:09] <slomo> hm
[04:10] <Amaranth> i hate wireless networks
[04:10] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[04:10] <dholbach> re
[04:22] <Nafallo> \sh: nkour is still angry about the upstream po's not going in.
[04:22] <Nafallo> \sh: people are translating both spanish and french now :-P
[04:23] <\sh> i can't help it...until the bug is resolved we can't do anything
[04:24] <Nafallo> I'm trying to tell him that :-P
[04:24] <Nafallo> with the answer: please rebug ;-)
[04:25] <\sh> the bug is known and carlos is working on it
[04:26] <\sh> Nafallo: btw...the missing .po's was it upstream bug?
[04:28] <Nafallo> \sh: they didn't mention that they moved them no ;-)
[04:31] <\sh> grmpf
[04:45] <slomo> \sh: was it the moved .po's fault that the translations didn't get imported?
[04:45] <\sh> slomo: i don't think so..
[04:46] <\sh> but we could move it to this ,-9
[04:58] <tim1> hi
[04:59] <tim1> is there a specific reason f-spot has been updated to 0.1.1 recently although 0.1.2 was already available at that time?
[04:59] <Lathiat> *hides
[04:59] <tseng> tim1: http://gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ go to this website please.
[05:00] <tseng> tim1: im sure you can appreciate why we cant keep track of every release of every piece of software if they arent even properly announced all the time.
[05:00] <tseng> tim1: but thanks for the tip.
[05:01] <tseng> ajmitch: ^
[05:01] <tseng> - Use dbus to contact running instances
[05:01] <tseng> *shudder*
[05:02] <Lathiat> tseng: its the new thing, didn't you know
[05:02] <Lathiat> notice how evince grew a dbus dependenecy?
[05:02] <tseng> Lathiat: pretty soon every app i maintain will use dbus
[05:02] <slomo> lol
[05:02] <tseng> Lathiat: for no good reason
[05:02] <tseng> this will be when i defenistrate myself
[05:02] <slomo> _every_ app will use dbus :P
[05:02] <Lathiat> tseng: whats a better way to do that kind of session management?
[05:03] <Lathiat> (thats a serious question, do we have something?)
[05:03] <tseng> Lathiat: fix the session manager?
[05:03] <tseng> no.
[05:03] <tseng> but adding a dbus app to everything sucks
[05:03] <tseng> do we really need that kind of session management, btw?
[05:05] <Lathiat> how else do you plan to talk to existing instances of programs
[05:05] <Lathiat> why start 2 copies
[05:05] <tseng> why try to?
[05:06] <Lathiat> i open a pdf
[05:06] <Lathiat> then switch to another virtual desktop
[05:06] <Lathiat> and open another one
[05:06] <Lathiat> why start a second instance of evince
[05:06] <tseng> it has MDI?
[05:06] <Lathiat> better example: (altho this works, i think they use bonobo stuff)
[05:06] <Lathiat> im using evolution on one desktop
[05:06] <Lathiat> i swich ot another one
[05:06] <Lathiat> and click an email link
[05:07] <Lathiat> if i open a second copy of evo it will step all over itself
[05:07] <slomo> Lathiat: afaik evo plans to move to dbus for that
[05:07] <shackan> ehm, linux has Copy-On-Write, opening a nth istance of another program does not mean reloading everyting from memory again
[05:07] <tseng> i just hate the current state of dbus
[05:07] <Lathiat> tseng: yes it needs much love
[05:07] <tseng> and having to rebuild all my apps every week if i expect them to work
[05:07] <Lathiat> shackan: for some things yes
[05:07] <Lathiat> shackan: that doesnt apply to everything
[05:07] <tseng> i dont need that in every single thing
[05:07] <Lathiat> tseng: fun isnt it
[05:08] <tseng> there is enough pain already
[05:08] <Lathiat> was it you i was talking to before?
[05:08] <Lathiat> about avahi and dbus?
[05:08] <tseng> yes
[05:08] <Lathiat> :)
[05:08] <Lathiat> where were you talking to snorp about the avahi stuff?
[05:08] <shackan> tseng, yes ( I'm having my amount of pain writing my dbus app already ), but I could not wait for 1.0
[05:08] <Lathiat> (e.g. what channel am i not on i should b e:)
[05:08] <tseng> Lathiat: i talk to snorp in like 30 channels
[05:08] <tseng> Lathiat: its kind of sick
[05:09] <Lathiat> tseng: heh
[05:09] <tseng> #banshee, #ipodsharp, #muine you probably are not in
[05:09] <\sh> tseng: 30 channels?
[05:09] <tseng> \sh: yes
[05:09] <\sh> tseng: I'm already confused with 10
[05:10] <shackan> tseng: there's an explicit -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE to do, you want it, you take it :)
[05:10] <tseng> dude its not the API
[05:10] <tseng> its the ABI
[05:11] <tseng> half the time there is a new dbus release in the same series, its off to rebuild tomboy and muine
[05:11] <shackan> ouch, I compiled against 0.35 and 0.36 only until now
[05:11] <tseng> api has been calm for awhile now
[05:11] <shackan> didn't know
[05:11] <tseng> afaik
[05:12] <slomo> tseng: and they tell us that the api will be (most probably) stable until 1.0 now ;)
[05:12] <slomo> tseng: so maybe the abi also
[05:13] <\sh> hey ogra
[05:13] <ogra> hi
[05:14] <tim1> tseng: sure I do and I also do appreciate the work of all package maintainers, this was more an honest question than criticism
[05:14] <tim1> I didn't know that it isn't even announced on their website
[05:19] <slomo> hm, does someone know how i can disable password (and other form data) saving in epiphany?
[05:24] <\sh> oh god
[05:24] <\sh> now I get emails where I can write blog entries about movies and music and stuff to get free dvds :(
[05:25] <Lathiat> haha
[05:25] <\sh> I think I have to make clear that I'm not the person who is buyable
[05:30] <slomo> Nafallo: ?
[05:30] <Nafallo> slomo: about \sh ;-)
[05:30] <slomo> lol
[05:38] <\sh> Nafallo: u wanted to buy me? ,-)
[05:42] <\sh> slomo: http://shermann.blogweb.de/archives/350-Kaeufliche-Blogger-Gibts-das.html ;)
[05:42] <Nafallo> \sh: why not. you would be nifty to have around ;-).
[05:42] <\sh> Nafallo: hahahaha
[05:43] <\sh> Nafallo: u will get problems with your girl ;)
[05:44] <slomo> \sh: hehe... i would've just ignored it :)
[05:45] <\sh> slomo: I never ignore those stuff...I did it once with a well know IT magazine :)
[05:45] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, why would I? ;-)
[05:46] <\sh> Nafallo: think, when you have a type of "male maid" in your house ,-)
[05:46] <Lathiat>  request you also hereby every now and then to take me from any distributors for their stupid advertising mirror-image moose.
[05:46] <Lathiat> LOL
[05:46] <Lathiat> google translated sentence
[05:47] <slomo> \sh: which one? and what happened? ;)
[05:47] <Nafallo> \sh: she would love it :-)
[05:47] <\sh> slomo: http://shermann.blogweb.de/archives/257-UEberraschung-aus-dem-IT-Professional-Universum.html
[05:48] <\sh> Nafallo: I won't write now, what flashed in my mind when I read your sentence ,-)
[05:48] <Nafallo> hehe, better not ;-)
[05:50] <slomo> \sh: lol... but i hope this stuff is filtered by my spamassassin... or maybe nobody sees me as an "IT-Professional" :)
[05:51] <\sh> slomo: it was hitting my on openbc
[05:51] <\sh> slomo: and this mail from today was a normal mail but obvious hand spam
[05:52] <slomo> \sh: what is openbc?
[05:52] <\sh> open business club
[05:52] <\sh> openbc.com..it's a type of linkit
[05:53] <\sh> i can send you an invitation
[05:53] <slomo> \sh: whatever... it has business in the name so nothing for me ;)
[05:53] <\sh> slomo: quite nice to link to old people you know
[05:53] <\sh> slomo: so u can stay in touch with them and see when they're changing their company ;9
[06:05] <Nafallo> \sh: jordi is on #launchpad :-)
[06:07] <Nafallo> \sh: maybe he could push those po's?
[06:11] <\sh> Nafallo: lets try
[06:11] <bddebian> Heya Gang
[06:12] <\sh> hey bddebian
[06:14] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how's it going?
[06:17] <\sh> bddebian: well...I'm doing my taxes...and have to go into office to grab a usb device to test live/installcds
[06:18] <bddebian> Lucky you :-)
[06:18] <\sh> bddebian: lucky? I? I'm on holiday
[06:18] <bddebian> I meant doing your taxes ;-)
[06:19] <\sh> but anyways...I have to print out my tax forms, and I don't have a printer at home
[06:21] <slomo> Lathiat: what exactly is zeroconf doing in addition to avahi?
[06:21] <bddebian> Shit, grmonitor build failed :-(
[06:25] <slomo> Lathiat: and would it make sense to sync libnss-mdns 0.6 from debian? we currently have 0.5
[06:30] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, forget the question about zeroconf ;)
[06:36] <Lathiat> sladen: oh 0.6 went into debian?
[06:36] <Lathiat> err
[06:42] <bddebian> WTH provides libXi ?
[06:44] <bddebian> Oh, libxi-dev.  Hmm
[06:45] <lamont> bddebian: it's pretty straightforward that way...
[06:45] <lamont> actually, libxi provides the library, libxi-dev provides the headers/linking target. :0)
[06:45] <Lathiat> -info ?
[06:46] <bddebian> Hmm, why would grmon suddenly not build.  That build-dep wasn't there previously?
[06:46] <Lathiat> new X stuff
[06:46] <Lathiat> might not ave been needed before
[06:47] <Lathiat> dholbach: is it ok to get new versions of things from unstable at this stage?
[06:47] <bddebian> Oh aye
[06:47] <Lathiat> dholbach: (i know its good, there werent a lot of changes, adds avahi support to nss-mdns)
[06:47] <bddebian> Lathiat: If it doesn't break anything and you can get elmo to sync it :-)
[06:47] <Lathiat> well i cant sync
[06:47] <Lathiat> need some adjustments
[06:47] <bddebian> Ahh
[06:48] <Lathiat> (because anand decided to disable avahi support for no reason)
[06:48] <Lathiat> it both builds and runs happily without it
[06:48] <dholbach> does it work for us? does it break stuff? does it build for us? are there millions of new (untested) features?
[06:48] <dholbach> that's the kind of questions you need to ask yourself :)
[06:48] <Lathiat> those things i am satisfied with
[06:48] <Lathiat> assuming they are all yes
[06:48] <Lathiat> is it ok?
[06:49] <bddebian> Actually that brings up a question.  If foo-1.0-1 is in the archive and I know foo-1.1 from Debian fixes some stuff but needs Ubuntu lovin.  Can I just pull foo-1.1 from Debian, modify and upload or does elmo or someone have to tell it to override the previous version?
[06:49] <Lathiat> i think thats fine
[06:50] <bddebian> Not that I have any upload rights yet anyway.. ;-P
[06:50] <dholbach> bddebian: yes, if you     debuild -S (-sa probably) -v<our last version number>     and then upload
[06:50] <bddebian> dholbach: Ahh, thx
[06:50] <Lathiat> whats -v<our last version number> do?
[06:50] <dholbach> Lathiat: gives you more of the changelog in the changes list (the .changes file)
[06:51] <Lathiat> ah right, thought so
[06:51] <dholbach> Lathiat: if you're really picky about the answers and there's a general agreement about the package in question it's ok
[07:21] <dholbach> what does the MOTUGames team think about the DOOM invasion on REVU?
[07:23] <Lathiat> ah the deng stuff?
[07:23] <Lathiat> i'd love to have it, i shoudl take a look at the packages
[07:24] <dholbach> what does that "deng" prefix mean?
[07:24] <Lathiat> its the name of the project
[07:24] <Lathiat> i think its the engine that runs them
[07:25] <Lathiat> http://sourceforge.net/projects/deng
[07:25] <Lathiat> http://deng.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/view.pl
[07:25] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:25] <Lathiat> apparently they like acronyms
[07:26] <Lathiat> wow
[07:26] <Lathiat> it really does make a graphics improvement
[07:26] <Lathiat> http://deng.sourceforge.net/dew/Engine/AboutGames
[07:27] <bddebian> Anyone care to do a quick upload for me for something I screwed up with GL/GLU transitions?
[07:28] <dholbach> bddebian: fire away
[07:29] <bddebian> dholbach: Its just grmonitor.  Here is the debdiff: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/grmonitor/grmonitor_0.81-4ubuntu2.debdiff
[07:32] <dholbach> bddebian: done
[07:32] <dholbach> some other crack that is still waiting?
[07:36] <dholbach> some debdiffs you want me to upload?
[07:38] <bddebian> dholbach: I have several more on GL/GLU Transutions wiki :-)
[07:38] <dholbach> and they are all NOT uploaded yet? :)
[07:39] <bddebian> Just gl-117, kmatplot, and lightspeed
[07:39] <dholbach> ok
[07:39] <bddebian> Or you can beat elmo to get my upload rights.. ;-P
[07:44] <dholbach> bddebian: done
[08:05] <ivoks> jesus
[08:06] <ivoks> touchpad is useless now :(
[08:06] <Lathiat> haha
[08:07] <Lathiat> t is?
[08:07] <Lathiat> mine works great now
[08:07] <ivoks> ?
[08:07] <ivoks> mine just works
[08:07] <ivoks> no fancy features
[08:07] <ivoks> no scroling
[08:07] <Lathiat> oh
[08:07] <ivoks> no middle button
[08:07] <Lathiat> in the bug about synaptics
[08:07] <ivoks> nothing - useless
[08:07] <Lathiat> theres a good default config
[08:07] <ivoks> that's mine config!
[08:07] <Lathiat> ah
[08:08] <ivoks> it worked with newer synaptic
[08:08] <ivoks> now when daniels reverted, now it doesn't work
[08:08] <Lathiat> ah
[08:08] <Lathiat> well
[08:08] <Lathiat> newer synaptic made alps much worse
[08:08] <Lathiat> so
[08:08] <Lathiat> :)
[08:08] <ivoks> ?
[08:08] <ivoks> i have alps
[08:09] <Lathiat> didnt your alps like
[08:09] <Lathiat> move in the wrong directions
[08:09] <ivoks> no
[08:09] <Lathiat> your lucky
[08:09] <ivoks> it worked perfect
[08:09] <ivoks> i said that on bugzilla
[08:09] <Lathiat> (with the config to fix the speed?)
[08:09] <Lathiat> ah
[08:09] <Lathiat> well mine like
[08:09] <Lathiat> went all over the joint
[08:09] <Lathiat> wso
[08:10] <ivoks> could you upload your whole xorg.conf somewhere?
[08:11] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/xorg.conf
[08:11] <ivoks> thanks
[08:11] <Lathiat> wrong laptop actually
[08:12] <ivoks> ?
[08:12] <ivoks> hm, this is nothing :)
[08:12] <ivoks> no fancy features
[08:12] <Lathiat> no...
[08:12] <ivoks> they don't work...?
[08:14] <Lathiat> i dont use them
[08:14] <Lathiat> so i dont turn them on
[08:14] <Lathiat> and i dont get them by default
[08:15] <ivoks> eh...
[08:15] <ivoks> you don't use scrolling? :)
[08:16] <Lathiat> no
[08:16] <ivoks> hm... you miss a lot :)
[08:16] <Lathiat> cute feature but usually pisses me off more than anything :)
[08:21] <Lathiat> wow
[08:21] <Lathiat> firefoxs image scaling is *horrid
[08:21] <Lathiat> like horrid horrid
[08:28] <Nafallo> ogra: why do people use hwdb as BTS? ;-)
[08:28] <slomo> Nafallo: ?
[08:28] <ogra> do they ?
[08:29] <Nafallo> yes, it says that if you have a problem you should not it there ;-)
[08:29] <Nafallo> the guys graphic card doesn't work he tells me ;-)
[08:29] <Lathiat> probably because it asks for comments
[08:29] <Lathiat> and as such
[08:29] <Lathiat> they would expect them to be read
[08:29] <Lathiat> by the right people
[08:29] <Lathiat> because it asks
[08:30] <Nafallo> yes
[08:30] <Nafallo> that's what this guy thinks
[08:30] <Lathiat> amakes sense to me
[08:32] <Nafallo> ogra: make a not about that it is _not_ a bugtrackingsystem or something ;-)
[08:56] <dholbach> good bye everybody
[09:11] <shawarma> I've been wondering. It says in the meeting minutes that universe is not going to be in shape for Breezy release.. Then what? Is universe allowed to have updates other than security updates?
[09:11] <tseng> no.
[09:11] <ivoks> grr...
[09:11] <ivoks> i'm so angry
[09:11] <tseng> universe has not released in perfect shape *yet*
[09:11] <tseng> its impossible
[09:11] <Lathiat> we can just make it as good as possible
[09:12] <ivoks> meeting? was there a meeting?
[09:12] <shawarma> Lathiat: Ok. so any brokeness at the point of release is just going to remain that way until the next release?
[09:12] <Lathiat> shawarma: basically
[09:12] <shawarma> ivoks: A while ago. two weeks, i guess.
[09:12] <Lathiat> ivoks: yeh
[09:12] <ivoks> Lathiat: this night?
[09:12] <ivoks> last, acctually
[09:13] <slomo> ivoks: yes... MOTU meeting last night
[09:13] <ivoks> doh
[09:13] <ivoks> i had exam today
[09:13] <tseng> shawarma: the deal is, if you didnt step up to fix your favorite package by now
[09:13] <tseng> shawarma: too bad.
[09:13] <shawarma> This doesn't sound very good for the end users.. By the time of the next release, we're probably going to be in the same situation.
[09:14] <tseng> shawarma: might sound harsh, but the MOTU has a ton of other work to do
[09:14] <shawarma> tseng: i know.
[09:14] <shawarma> tseng: Well, there's of course the backports..
[09:14] <tseng> meh.
[09:14] <shawarma> tseng: But that hardly seems optimal.
[09:14] <tseng> if something was popular enough
[09:14] <tseng> someone would have noticed bugs
[09:14] <ivoks> shawarma: with time more packages will go in main, so as will developers
[09:15] <tseng> *before* release crunch time
[09:15] <tseng> ivoks: you think?
[09:15] <ivoks> tseng: i hope :)
[09:15] <shawarma> ivoks: More developers will go in main? is that what you mean?
[09:15] <ivoks> shawarma: no, packages
[09:15] <ivoks> shawarma: and developers, too
[09:16] <shawarma> ivoks: So more packages will go in main and more developers will.. what? work on main?
[09:17] <ivoks> shawarma: yes
[09:17] <bddebian> tseng: What do you mean impossible, I'm trying!!! ;-)
[09:17] <tseng> meh
[09:17] <shawarma> ivoks: Ok.
[09:17] <tseng> there.
[09:17] <Lathiat> bddebian: you forgot the 111one1
[09:18] <Lathiat> tseng is so bitter
[09:18] <tseng> true
[09:18] <bddebian> Lathiat: 111one1?
[09:18] <Lathiat> bddebian: ou know like
[09:18] <Lathiat> OMG I AM 1337!!1111eleventy-one111111AOLOMGLOLWTFZOMGROFLMAO1111
[09:19] <bddebian> Heh
[09:19] <slomo> tseng: we have at least the mono stuff in shape when the beagle guys get a new release out ;)
[09:19] <tseng> slomo: yes, sure
[09:19] <bddebian> Hmm, beagle needs something doesn't it? I seem to recall a bug on Malone.
[09:19] <tseng> um
[09:19] <slomo> bddebian: that's what i meant ;)
[09:20] <tseng> if it needs it, ill do it
[09:20] <bddebian> tseng: You don't have to pretend to laugh d00d
[09:20] <tseng> bddebian: ROFLZ
[09:20] <tseng> erm.
[09:20] <tseng> ok.
[09:21] <slomo> tseng: did you write them again to finally release something? ;) otherwise let's get some stuff from cvs...
[09:21] <tseng> slomo: lets not
[09:21] <tseng> slomo: but ill ask trow
[09:21] <Lathiat> want ever happened to grumpy groundhog :)
[09:21] <tseng> Lathiat: i hope it died painfully
[09:21] <Lathiat> tseng: so do i ;)
[09:21] <slomo> tseng: better some cvs stuff than something not properly working because of inotify ;)
[09:22] <tseng> Lathiat: but it depends completely on launchpad which means we'll see it in a few more years
[09:22] <tseng> man
[09:22] <Lathiat> ah
[09:22] <tseng> so much hate, i should walk away for a bit
[09:22] <bddebian> Wow
[09:22] <tseng> slomo: it works fine.
[09:23] <tseng> Lathiat: (straight edge)
[09:23] <slomo> tseng: don't know... i don't use beagle i just read the bugreport ;)
[09:23] <Lathiat> hrm rhythmbox cvs has gained notifications
[09:23] <Lathiat> but uh
[09:23] <Lathiat> it doesnt seem to be libnotify, shame
[09:24] <Lathiat> looks cool anyway
[09:25] <bddebian> tseng: What are you pissed about?  Anything I can help with?
[09:25] <tseng> bddebian: nope, dont worry about it.
[09:25] <tseng> slomo: here comes beagle love
[09:26] <tseng> slomo: ask and you shall receive
[09:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: :)
[09:26] <Lathiat> (it also has avahi support for DAAP)
[09:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: i'm sure you have broken config
[09:26] <Lathiat> ivoks: what do you mean
[09:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: paste that link again, please
[09:26] <Lathiat> i have babsolutley no synaptics configuration if thats what you mean
[09:26] <Lathiat> and even if i put yours in
[09:27] <Lathiat> it wwent at the right speed but still dicked all over the place
[09:27] <ivoks> you don't use synaptics driver?!
[09:27] <Lathiat> ivoks: i mean nothing past the
[09:27] <Lathiat> driver synaptics
[09:27] <Lathiat> no custom options
[09:27] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:27] <ivoks> Lathiat: ok... but i don't want to check that out
[09:27] <ivoks> Lathiat: just give me that link, if it isn't a problem...
[09:28] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[09:28] <slomo> tseng: ? i don't need beagle :P i know where my files are ;)
[09:28] <tseng> slomo: the tarball
[09:28] <Lathiat> tseng: I HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU
[09:29] <Lathiat> is now a bad time?
[09:29] <tseng> Lathiat: dbus is purged from the earth?
[09:29] <tseng> no.
[09:29] <bddebian> Lathiat: apparently :-)
[09:29] <Lathiat> by good news
[09:29] <Lathiat> i mean bad
[09:29] <tseng> oh, sure
[09:29] <tseng> ill take it
[09:29] <Lathiat> dbus 1.0 will not ship the mono bindings
[09:29] <Lathiat> at all
[09:29] <tseng> uh
[09:29] <slomo> Lathiat: why that?
[09:29] <Lathiat> (unless someone fixes them up from sucking)
[09:29] <Lathiat> cus they are in 'bad shape'
[09:30] <Lathiat> WE ALL LOVE THE DBUS TEAM
[09:30] <Lathiat> WE ALL LOVE THE DBUS TEAM
[09:30] <slomo> Lathiat: wtf... what's their problem with the bindings?
[09:30] <Lathiat> LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE NO HATE
[09:30] <tseng> we probably wotn have dbus 1.0 in breezy anyway
[09:30] <tseng> right?
[09:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: lol
[09:30] <Lathiat> tseng: sure
[09:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: i knew you have misconfigured xorg.conf
[09:30] <Lathiat> tseng: but breezy+1 is a different story
[09:30] <Lathiat> ivoks: howso?
[09:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: your corepointer isn't synaptics
[09:30] <tseng> Lathiat: breezy+1 is a long way away
[09:30] <Lathiat> ivoks: thats a stock standard generated config ?
[09:30] <ivoks> Lathiat: you acctually don't use synaptics driver at all ATM
[09:31] <slomo> Lathiat: tell dbus upstream to fix them instead of dropping them ;)
[09:31] <Lathiat> ivoks: well talk to daniels ?
[09:31] <ivoks> Lathiat: would you perform a test, please?
[09:31] <ivoks> Lathiat: it's simple
[09:31] <Lathiat> ivoks: well i cant really tell the difference now
[09:31] <Lathiat> ivoks: because the bug is fixed
[09:31] <Lathiat> ivoks: also, scrolling works fine if i turn it on
[09:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: so i must be using it...
[09:32] <ivoks> Lathiat: it wasn't a bug...
[09:32] <Lathiat> ivoks: yeh but i cant test if it fixes it
[09:32] <Lathiat> because it no longer happens
[09:32] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have Option"CorePointer" for /dev/input/mice
[09:32] <ivoks> Lathiat: and Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true" for synaptics
[09:32] <Lathiat> so what is this supposed to do?
[09:33] <ivoks> Lathiat: if you would change one with other
[09:33] <Lathiat> err
[09:33] <ivoks> Lathiat: and install problematic synaptics
[09:33] <Lathiat> i have a SendCoreEvents true
[09:33] <ivoks> Lathiat: it would work
[09:33] <Lathiat> in the one on the laptop i care about
[09:33] <Lathiat> refresh the config
[09:33] <Lathiat> (that also has the extra options in it now)
[09:34] <ivoks> Lathiat: but again, here corepointer is /dev/input/mice
[09:34] <Lathiat> right
[09:34] <Lathiat> so i move corepointer
[09:34] <Lathiat> to synaptics?
[09:34] <ivoks> right
[09:34] <Lathiat> and what does this change
[09:34] <ivoks> and move send core events to mic
[09:34] <ivoks> mice
[09:34] <ivoks> and it would work for you with that problematic driver
[09:34] <ivoks> i'm sure
[09:35] <ivoks> Lathiat: and, comment out i2c :)
[09:36] <Lathiat> ivoks: i dont see why its causing these issues tho ?
[09:36] <Lathiat> ivoks: since it works now?
[09:36] <ivoks> it doesn't work for me
[09:36] <ivoks> and it didn't work only for you before
[09:36] <Lathiat> not only for me
[09:36] <Lathiat> lots of people complained at the very least about the speed
[09:36] <ivoks> right
[09:36] <ivoks> so was i
[09:37] <ivoks> but with new driver
[09:37] <ivoks> you have to change config
[09:37] <ivoks> AND
[09:37] <ivoks> alps has different speed rations than synaptic
[09:37] <Lathiat> it used to work
[09:37] <Lathiat> so assumedly
[09:37] <Lathiat> they were fixing that
[09:37] <ivoks> synaptics driver is configured for synaptics touchpad out of the box
[09:37] <Lathiat> so why arent they now
[09:38] <Lathiat> ill install the deb from colony-4
[09:38] <Lathiat> and see what happens
[09:38] <ivoks> please...
[09:38] <ivoks> new synaptics driver requiers new config
[09:38] <ivoks> that's the problem
[09:39] <ivoks> if we could test that, it would be great
[09:39] <ivoks> if it doesn't work, ok... it doesn't work... but if it does... :)
[09:40] <ivoks> Lathiat: what laptop is that?
[09:40] <Lathiat> dell inspiron 8600
[09:40] <ivoks> come on
[09:40] <ivoks> mine to!
[09:41] <Lathiat> heh
[09:41] <ivoks> i'll upload mine xorg.conf
[09:41] <bddebian> Damnit I hate packages with no patch system...
[09:41] <Lathiat> bddebian: dpatch is easy to integrate
[09:41] <Lathiat> bddebian: see my ipac-ng patch
[09:41] <bddebian> I know, it just pisses me off
[09:41] <bddebian> Especially for a one-line code change to build with gcc4
[09:41] <ivoks> Lathiat: www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/xorg.conf
[09:41] <Lathiat> bddebian: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ipac-ng.patch
[09:42] <slomo> Lathiat: 404
[09:42] <Lathiat> ivoks: wow
[09:42] <Lathiat> ivoks: you even have the nvidia
[09:42] <Lathiat> ivoks: rather than the default ati
[09:42] <ivoks> Lathiat: :)
[09:42] <Lathiat> not the 1680x1050 resolution however
[09:42] <Lathiat> boring 1200x800 ;p
[09:42] <ivoks> Lathiat: can't do that :(
[09:42] <Lathiat> i upgraded mine when i bought it
[09:43] <Lathiat> to 1680
[09:43] <Lathiat> you can get 1920xsomethign too but 1680x1050 is just perfect
[09:43] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:44] <tseng> i have 1680x1050 :)
[09:44] <tseng> its love.
[09:44] <ivoks> maybe mine can do it to :)
[09:44] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh
[09:44] <Lathiat> tseng: its fantastic isnt it
[09:44] <Lathiat> ivoks: nah if its not autodetected it wont :)
[09:44] <ivoks> :(
[09:44] <Lathiat> tseng: this new dell i got, 1024x768@14@... the pixels!
[09:44] <Lathiat> I CAN SEE THEM
[09:44] <tseng> haha
[09:45] <tseng> Lathiat: mine is 1280x800
[09:45] <tseng> Lathiat: at 15.4"
[09:45] <Lathiat> ah
[09:45] <tseng> Lathiat: its a very nice screen, but too low res
[09:45] <tseng> you can get it in up to 1920whatever
[09:45] <Lathiat> so eh
[09:45] <tseng> in other models
[09:45] <Lathiat> same as the 8600
[09:45] <ivoks> Lathiat: will you try? please?
[09:45] <Lathiat> 1920x is crazy
[09:45] <Lathiat> 1680x is nice
[09:45] <Lathiat> ivoks: try what
[09:45] <tseng> yep
[09:45] <ivoks> Lathiat: touchpad? :)
[09:45] <Lathiat> ivoks: i told you
[09:46] <Lathiat> ivoks: i downgraded it
[09:46] <Lathiat> and its still fast so not sure
[09:46] <Lathiat> its weird
[09:46] <ivoks> Lathiat: you have to restart X
[09:46] <Lathiat> ivoks: i did
[09:46] <ivoks> ok
[09:46] <ivoks> so, you did that changes to xorg?
[09:46] <ivoks> xorg.conf?
[09:46] <ivoks> core porinter and stuff?
[09:47] <Lathiat> yes
[09:47] <Lathiat> also with stock config
[09:47] <Lathiat> it still moves at the right speed
[09:47] <Lathiat> and works so
[09:47] <Lathiat> i cant tell whether it affects it or not
[09:47] <Lathiat> i'll try a colony 4 livecd
[09:47] <ivoks> ok
[09:48] <ivoks> i'll return :)
[09:56] <ivoks> grrr evolution
[09:56] <ivoks> crashed and now doesn't work right
[10:20] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[10:38] <ivoks> Lathiat: what's that USB icon in tray? :)
[10:38] <Lathiat> ivoks: network manager
[10:38] <ivoks> Lathiat: pardon, ethernet icon
[10:39] <Lathiat> i should have put avahi in that ss too
[10:39] <ivoks> ok
[10:39] <Lathiat> so people ask about that ;p
[10:39] <ivoks> i have avahi too :)
[10:39] <ivoks> but didn't know it has an icon :)
[10:39] <ivoks> and that one, left to the beagle?
[10:39] <Lathiat> yeah
[10:40] <Lathiat> rhythmbox, tomboy, beagle, update manager, network-manager, gajim
[10:40] <ivoks> tomboy? :)
[10:40] <ivoks> nice, no bind anymore for network manager :)
[10:41] <Nafallo> Lathiat: make a new screenshot please :-)
[10:42] <Lathiat> Nafallo: of?
[10:42] <Nafallo> Lathiat: what you are talking about above ;-)
[10:42] <Nafallo> Lathiat: but with avahi :-)
[10:43] <bddebian> Does this look like a bad build dep problem:
[10:43] <bddebian> gcc -c -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I./../../mzscheme/gc -I./../../wxxt/src/AIAI-include -I./../../wxxt/src -I./../../mred/wxme/ -I./../../mzscheme/include/ -DOPERATOR_NEW_ARRAY -DUSE_GL -DWX_USE_XRENDER -DWX_USE_XFT -DWX_USE_LIBPNG -DWX_USE_LIBJPEG -Dwx_xt -Wall -MMD -I./XWidgets ./XWidgets/xwMenu.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o XWidgets/.libs/xwMenu.o
[10:43] <bddebian> ./XWidgets/xwMenu.c:631:31: error: X11/bitmaps/gray: No such file or directory
[10:43] <bddebian> ./XWidgets/xwMenu.c: In function 'CreateGCs':
[10:44] <Nafallo> Lathiat: anyway, you made me installed humility again ;-)
[10:45] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/libnotify.png
[10:46] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/desktop.png in a few seconds when it uploads
[10:47] <shackan> Lathiat, it's COLD over there
[10:47] <Nafallo> Lathiat: yay! :-)
[10:47] <bddebian> Ooof, Jessica Alba
[10:47] <Lathiat> shackan: cold? yes i agree
[10:47] <Lathiat> other people wouldnt
[10:47] <Lathiat> i talk to people who say 0 is warm
[10:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: You didn't finish the job man.. :-)
[10:48] <Nafallo> Lathiat: that's not humility as default is it?
[10:48] <Nafallo> Lathiat: just handpicked?
[10:49] <Lathiat> its 'Human'
[10:49] <shackan> how did you get that thing in rhythmbox ?
[10:49] <Lathiat> which thing?
[10:50] <shackan> the <unwritablename>'s music
[10:50] <Lathiat> unwritable?
[10:50] <Lathiat> thats new rhythmbox
[10:50] <Lathiat> supporting avahi
[10:50] <Lathiat> see http://livejournal.com/~lathiat/
[10:51] <Nafallo> ah, cvs :-/
[10:52] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, why are you not on p.u.c?
[10:52] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: heh
[10:52] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: i did actually just mail jdub earlier easking
[10:52] <Nafallo> wow!
[10:53] <Nafallo> I'm going to install avahi :-P
[10:53] <Lathiat> Nafallo: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi
[10:53] <Lathiat> read that :)
[10:53] <Nafallo> ehm, oki :-P
[10:53] <Nafallo> are you trying to put me off? ;-)
[10:53] <Lathiat> lol
[10:55] <slomo> Nafallo: no... it's just that he gets bombed with questions... from me for example ;)
[10:55] <Nafallo> slomo: that page probably wont stop those ;-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> morning
[11:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, and next time you complain I won't upload them at all :P
[11:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: http://livejournal.com/~lathiat/ !
[11:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: also i have a new avahi upload coming soon
[11:05] <ajmitch> Lathiat  blogs!
[11:05] <Lathiat> what you didnt know?
[11:05] <Lathiat> should read planet.freedesktop.org :)
[11:06] <slomo> is someone running breezy with a "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video"?
[11:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: there are too many planets to read
[11:06] <ajmitch> and yes I had read your blog before
[11:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: :'-(
[11:31] <tseng> ajmitch++
[11:33] <bddebian> wb ajmitch
[11:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: cool, avahi# is around
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh however
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: we're going to go a C api binding
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: as dbus-sharp is the suck
[11:34] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:35] <ajmitch> so somehow in my looking at the gnome ftp site I missed f-spot 0.1.2
[11:35] <Lathiat> and in fact
[11:36] <ajmitch> even though it's been there a week
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: its not even on their website
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: someone asked earlier and tseng got gnarly
[11:36] <Lathiat> :)
[11:36] <ajmitch> I know
[11:36] <ajmitch> hopefully it'll see debian soon
[11:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:37] <Lathiat> ross seems to think so
[11:37] <ajmitch> once the dependencies are in
[11:37] <Lathiat> oh
[11:37] <Lathiat> right
[11:38] <Lathiat> i just assume the world revolves around avahi
[11:38] <Lathiat> you know
[11:39] <ajmitch> well it does
[11:39] <ajmitch> at least in your world ;)
[11:39] <Lathiat> ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch> crackful, dbus 0.50
[11:41] <tseng> now with 50% less mono
[11:41] <bddebian> What's wrong with crack? :-)
[11:41] <ajmitch> how much stuff will need a rebuild?
[11:42] <tseng> haha
[11:44] <bddebian> Rockin' is that you ajmitch? :-)
[11:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: ?
[11:44] <bddebian> Uploading
[11:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[11:45] <ajmitch> it's against my beliefs ;)
[11:45] <bddebian> Hmm
[11:45] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you should have #avahi on a network that doesn't have a 20-channel limit :P
[11:46] <Lathiat> cant hurt at the most :)
[11:46] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh
[11:46] <Lathiat> ajmitch: open two clients ;p
[11:46] <ajmitch> that starts to get rather stupid
[11:46] <Lathiat> this really starts to get annoying
[11:46] <Lathiat> why does this shit have to float in the air and land in my keyboard!
[11:47] <shackan> buy yourself an usb vacuum cleaner
[11:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: If you do happen to get a second, would you mind looking at my debdiff for pointless under pef's name?  I think I have a bunch of extra crap in there.
[11:48] <Lathiat> i use my real vacuum claner it only helps move them around and get them to the top i still have to pick them out
[11:49] <bddebian> Gotta head home.  Catch you all in a few.