[02:57] <jsgotangco> ogra, i got it running again, thanks
[02:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, what was it ? 
[02:58] <ogra> any idea ?
[02:59] <jsgotangco> no concrete idea really, the first time, the kernel doesn't boot at all, but after countless soft reboots they all loggedin
[02:59] <jsgotangco> my dsl died last night so i wasn't able to go online and check 
[02:59] <ogra> hmm, it should work at the second login immediately
[03:00] <jsgotangco> yes, i did a second reinstall on the server and it went as you wrote
[03:00] <ogra> great
[03:00] <jsgotangco> do some apps are not supposed to run yet?
[03:01] <ogra> if something doesnt run, thats a bug
[03:01] <jsgotangco> hmm a lot of them didn't run at all
[03:02] <ogra> which ones ? 
[03:02] <jsgotangco> can't recall, i'll do a reinstall later on the same cd, i have a problem with disk space because of these previews
[03:02] <ogra> oh, ok
[03:02] <ogra> but you mean desktop apps
[03:03] <jsgotangco> yes the server works fine
[03:03] <ogra> hmm...
[03:03] <ogra> i havent seen something not working... there are some known bugs in gcompris...
[03:04] <ogra> but yu can use it
[03:05] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i think the typing app doesn't work
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hmm are we still frozen?
[03:05] <ogra> ktouch
[03:05] <ogra> yep, we are...
[03:05] <jsgotangco> ok so this cd is safe
[03:05] <ogra> mdz wants to let it frozen for 1-2 days
[03:06] <ogra> sadly it is...
[03:06] <ogra> i have the fixes ready... but am not allowed to get them in... 
[09:59] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[10:08] <JaneW> is ogra in the house?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> im in my house
[10:11] <JaneW> heh
[10:11] <JaneW> where's our preview
[10:11] <JaneW> *stomp* *stomp*
[10:15] <jsgotangco> edubuntu?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> it works
[10:15] <jsgotangco> jammcq likes it
[10:16] <jsgotangco> our build actually works nicely
[11:18] <JaneW> yay
[11:28] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i didn't get sponsored heh
[11:40] <jsgotangco> ogra, ping?
[11:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :(
[11:47] <jsgotangco> yeah claire emailed me earlier
[11:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:47] <jsgotangco> so we decided us in the pacific to start swimming this weekend
[11:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, pong
[11:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, where do i file edubuntu bugs? malone?
[11:48] <ogra> bugzilla indeed
[11:48] <jsgotangco> ta
[11:48] <ogra> mdz wanted to set up a edubuntu keyword a week ago, i dont know if its already there
[11:48] <jsgotangco> some apps just dont work
[11:49] <ogra> dont work == dont start ? 
[11:49] <ogra> or behave buggy ?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:49] <jsgotangco> error
[11:49] <jsgotangco> i only have 2 machines right now so i can't test
[11:50] <ogra> from the games menu ? 
[11:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:50] <jsgotangco> the ubuntu apps work fine
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, then it looks like a PATH thing... i had a mail report thats similar
[11:50] <ogra> probably /usr/games is not in your path...
[11:51] <jsgotangco> the server doesn't even run it
[11:51] <ogra> can you run it if you are directly on the server ? 
[11:51] <jsgotangco> no
[11:51] <jsgotangco> it doesn't work
[11:52] <jsgotangco> i'll do a test later and list up my problems
[11:52] <jsgotangco> why does the admin have no access to the regular user's home folders btw?
[11:55] <ogra> hmm doesnt he ? thats something i havent looked at yet
[11:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just to make you happy, i hacked my doc last night for edubuntu and registered it to the yelp page and even the clients show the cookbook/about edubuntu
[12:09] <jsgotangco> acckk my brain hurts
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i should sleep early
[12:21] <jsgotangco> see you guys later a beer would be nice right now =)
[12:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, enjoy :)
[12:30] <JaneW> ogra: please see http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommercialFeedback when you get a chance
[12:30] <ogra> JaneW, i saw it when it was added to the middle of my installation instructions... most annoying !
[12:31] <ogra> took me quite some time i didnt have yesterday to fix that
[12:31] <JaneW> ogra: erk... :(
[12:31] <ogra> jop
[12:31] <JaneW> ogra: does he have any valid points?
[12:31] <ogra> not really...
[12:32] <ogra> Win32 apps were dissed by us because of license hell you get the user in....
[12:32] <ogra> schooltoo is obligatory, why should we use something commercial ??
[12:32] <ogra> content filtering is postponed...
[12:32] <ogra> and i have no idea what IncumbentMarketOperators should be
[01:44] <ogra> JaneW, everything done on my side.... all pieces are in the archive at the right place, all we can do now is wait and test the CD (and probably fix remaining hidden stuff)
[01:45] <ogra> s/stuff/stuff i missed/
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: cool, still trying to get to scribing an announcement...
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, take your time... the CD build will take some time... afterwards i need to download and test... it still takes some hours...
[02:08] <ogra> but we will have a preview this evening :)
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: I'm counting on it ;)
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: will our preview have an installer and a Live CD?
[03:28] <ogra> nope
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: and to confirm is it only x386 for now?
[03:28] <ogra> only installer.... its way to huge for a liveCD :(
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: ok so just an installer?
[03:28] <JaneW> okie
[03:28] <ogra> its all arches
[03:29] <JaneW> don;t want to lie in the announcement :P
[03:29] <ogra> kamion fixed the powerpc CD already
[03:29] <ogra> but the testing takes a lot longer...
[03:29] <JaneW> oh cool
[03:29] <ogra> so i'd say we announce after i386 is tested and mention that amd64 and ppc are there too or something
[03:30] <ogra> mdz said i should ignore ppc for now (not knowing that kamion would have a fix ready in time indeed...)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:32] <ogra> *sigh* this waiting is annoying...
[03:47] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:53] <JaneW> oh cool
[03:53] <JaneW> ogra: must I mention powerpc now as well?
[03:53] <JaneW> ogra: so will we have a LIveCD at all (ever) or not?
[03:55] <ogra> nope, its just not doable at CD size....
[03:56] <ogra> the install CD is already stuffed up to the last byte
[04:07] <JaneW> ok.
[04:07] <JaneW> ogra: please check your mail...
[04:07] <JaneW> my attempt at a preview announcement
[04:07] <JaneW> can you fill in the technical bullet point please, and check for any glaring errors..?
[04:10] <JaneW> ogra: just noticed this... distro.watch@msa.hinet.net has been successfully subscribed to edubuntu-devel... interesting...
[04:10] <ogra> oh
[04:11] <ogra> i wouldnt expect us to be in the higher ranks though :)
[04:11] <ogra> we have a very specific audience :)
[04:12] <ogra> releases.edubuntu.com wont work :)
[04:13] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ will i guess...
[04:17] <JaneW> can you edit?
[04:17] <JaneW> ogra: we'll be top of distrowatch soon... maybe below ubuntu though ;)
[04:17] <ogra> haha
[04:18] <ogra> yup, doing just now, i'm just trying to not break the formatting :)
[04:20] <ogra> i havent much to add :)
[04:21] <ogra> since we inherit everything from ubuntu anyway
[04:21] <ogra> and you already covered the thin client stuff
[04:22] <JaneW> ogra: that's why I left that stuff in... I think we should trim those lists slightly if it's not a huge selling point for us and focus more strongly on our specifics...
[04:22] <JaneW> ogra: I based my messgae on Matt's, so we shouldn't plagarise his list entrely ;)
[04:22] <JaneW> I did try to change as much as possible and make it more relevant to us..
[04:23] <JaneW> ogra; I also added a wiki page for preview release feedback... linked for the How can I help section, under the testing line...
[04:24] <JaneW> s/for/from
[04:24] <ogra> good :)
[04:35] <JaneW> ogra: any idea when we'll be ready to announce?
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, you always send to hostmaster@ .... 
[04:35] <JaneW> ogra: what should I use?
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, still waiting for some stuff from the buildds
[04:35] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com
[04:36] <ogra> the hostmaster account sends unsigned by default... 
[04:36] <JaneW> ok changed my address book
[04:36] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:37] <ogra> oh, i missed to update the links... 
[04:37] <ogra> i'll send you the download linklist separately again
[04:39] <JaneW> was just strtching my head looking at that ;)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> its nice to know you guys are getting busy
[04:44] <JaneW> ogra: I don;t have the new links yet...
[04:45] <ogra> id dint send them yet
[04:45] <JaneW> ogra: should I get mdz to approve the announcement?
[04:45] <JaneW> gah!
[04:45] <ogra> or sabdfl...
[04:48] <JaneW> ok both
[04:48] <JaneW> gimme the link so I can send it already!
[04:48] <JaneW> ;)
[04:49] <ogra> JaneW, meh, rip out schooltool for now, it takes to long says Kamion
[04:49] <ogra> i'll add it tomorrow directly after preview but it wont be on todays CD
 ogra: OK, CD builds running
[04:49] <ogra> !
[04:51] <ogra> in ~30 min we schould see something here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[04:51] <ogra> JaneW, we should mention Kamion in the announcement at the end :)
[04:51] <JaneW> okie
[04:52] <JaneW> for?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: if you need a yelp compatible about edubuntu page, its now ready, just give me a ping
[04:52] <JaneW> builds
[04:52] <ogra> help with cdbuilding and installer changes
[04:52] <JaneW> ok
[04:53] <ogra> the latter was most essential, i didnt know anything about it until last week, he taught me everything in a handfull of days
[04:53] <JaneW> matt?
[04:53] <ogra> Kamion
[04:54] <JaneW> no I am saying should we mention matt?
[04:54] <JaneW> nod about kaniom
[04:54] <JaneW> kamion even
[04:54] <ogra> hm, why not, he made ltsp happen, that deserves some cheering :)
[04:54] <JaneW> nod
[04:54] <JaneW> ok will we have mirrors of just that one link?
[04:54] <JaneW> s/of/or
[04:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'm more interested to know what the docteam does with the mozilla page
[04:55] <ogra> JaneW, if the release is there it gets moved to releases.ubuntu.com... after i blessed it, which will be after a test install
[04:56] <ogra> s/test/sucessful test/
[04:56] <ogra> cross your fingers the installer changes work right ... thats the critical change of today
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: i believe sabdfl edited it today...
[04:58] <jsgotangco> i'm just too depressed to do work
[04:58] <ogra> JaneW, i saw some mentioning of translateable stuff. ...
[04:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, depressed ? why ?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> long story
[04:59] <JaneW> ok I am making the link TBC... and sending now ok?
[04:59] <ogra> ok
[04:59] <JaneW> I have to get out of here
[04:59] <ogra> just dont publish yet, we have nothing yet
[05:00] <JaneW> I sent it to you, Matt and Mark for editing/approval
[05:00] <ogra> oki
[05:01] <JaneW> ogra: I need to go now, if I don't make it back will you send it out when appropriate (WITH the download links inserted please)
[05:01] <ogra> yup
[05:01] <ogra> np, thanks for that :)
[05:02] <ogra> s/that/preparing it/
[05:02] <JaneW> np ;)
[05:02] <jsgotangco> bye JaneW
[05:02] <JaneW> bye
[05:02] <JaneW> sorry can't stay! ;/
[05:03] <jsgotangco> no worries
[05:03] <ogra> dot worry, we'll manage :)
[05:03] <ogra> dont even
[05:04] <JaneW> cool
[05:04] <JaneW> thanks for everything ogra
[05:04] <JaneW> and jsgotangco !
[05:04] <JaneW> hasta la vista
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i didnt do anything
[05:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, hey...
[05:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yeah you did
[05:04] <ogra> sure
[05:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: my kid loves it
[05:10] <jsgotangco> we're using it now
[05:10] <ogra> yeah :)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> she loves mr potato head
[05:10] <ogra> JaneW, changed travel plans ? 
[06:42] <talat> hi 
[06:44] <talat> ?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:44] <talat> i ask something about eduubuntu 
[06:44] <talat> can i ask ?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> sure if i can answer it
[06:45] <jsgotangco> if not ogra is the best person to answer
[06:45] <talat> i dont know you can answer 
[06:46] <jsgotangco> ask anyways i wouldnt know if you don't start
[06:46] <talat> i live in turkey 
[06:46] <talat> and i think i must start same projet 
[06:46] <talat> but i dont know 
[06:46] <talat> how to start this project ?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> why start when there is one already?
[06:47] <talat> edubuntu support turkish ?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> its possible that there are turkish language packs
[06:47] <jsgotangco> no idea did you try ubuntu?
[06:47] <ogra> talat, edubuntu supports every language ubuntu supports
[06:47] <ogra> i think turkish is among them
[06:48] <jsgotangco> if ubuntu has turkish, edubuntu can have it
[06:48] <talat> ok. i know ubuntu support turkish ..
[06:48] <jsgotangco> then we have edubuntu in turkish =)
[06:49] <talat> ok but we have other problem manuals not turkish or edubuntu web site not support turkish 
[06:49] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:49] <jsgotangco> that's one thing we'll cross
[06:49] <jsgotangco> sorry we haven't really started a usable manual
[06:49] <jsgotangco> its in my TODO to put all the stuff in the wiki this weekened
[06:50] <talat> can i translate edubuntu web site english to turkish ?
[06:50] <talat> or i build new web site edubuntu ?
[06:50] <jsgotangco> you can put a wiki page in edubuntu.org in turkish
[06:51] <talat> :) nice 
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:52] <jsgotangco> maybe i can start messing up the wiki now
[06:52] <talat> i want to help edubuntu ..
[06:52] <talat> how to help it?
[06:52] <jsgotangco> artwork, documentation, testing, etc.
[06:53] <talat> can i write documentation how to start writing ?
[06:55] <jsgotangco> we have a cookbook being done
[06:55] <talat> what is cookbook
[06:55] <jsgotangco> refer to the wiki in a few days i'll be dumping most of the parts
[06:57] <talat> i register eduubuntu website ..
[06:58] <talat> now i think start a turkish page 
[06:59] <jsgotangco> ok put it somewhere under documentation i guess or just inform me when you're done i can organize the page
[07:00] <talat> ok..
[07:15] <jsgotangco> talat: Manila
[07:23] <talat> whereis manila ?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila
[07:26] <talat> are you muslim ?
[07:27] <jsgotangco> no
[07:28] <talat> :)
[07:28] <talat> i dont find moinmoin ... 
[07:28] <talat> what is this ?
[07:29] <talat> can i edit welcome page and i saveas hosgeldiniz 
[07:29] <jsgotangco> please don't edit the frontpage
[07:29] <jsgotangco> if you don't know what you are doing
[07:30] <talat> ok
[07:30] <talat> i edit on my comoter 
[07:30] <talat> and after i learn moinmoin i send i website ..
[07:31] <talat> now bye all
[07:31] <talat> quit
[07:34] <jsgotangco> a little patience works
[08:10] <jsgotangco> oh well
[08:10] <jsgotangco> good night
[08:10] <jsgotangco> err good morning rather
[08:11] <ogra> sleep well
[11:34] <EricV> Hello !
[11:35] <bdoin> yop
[11:35] <EricV> How do you do ?
[11:36] <bdoin> ca va et toi
[11:36] <EricV> bien merci ;)
[11:36] <bdoin> I am only providing software to edubuntu. do you need help
[11:37] <EricV> no that just to have an idea of what you say here
[11:38] <EricV> i will maybe use Edubuntu for Africa, but I'm asking if we will have a complete version in french...
[11:39] <EricV> do you know if the actual design and software are close of the official release ?
[11:40] <bdoin> no idea. which part of africa you're after
[11:41] <bdoin> you are in an NGO
[11:41] <EricV> well, we will go in benin, burkina faso, cameroun, mali and maroc
[11:42] <EricV> no i'm working for a humanitarian association, we bring computers to schools in africa
[11:43] <EricV> we put win98 on the computers before ! but after few months in the hands of children, the OS is destroyed
[11:44] <EricV> what kind of software do you provide ?
[11:45] <EricV> GCompris ?
[11:46] <bdoin> yep
[11:47] <bdoin> I modified gcompris to suit an NGO recently
[11:47] <bdoin> well a little bit
[11:48] <bdoin> do you know this: http://ntbf.net/article.php3?id_article=150
[11:49] <EricV> i'm developping as well a software for young people but especially in africa
[11:49] <bdoin> what age ?
[11:50] <EricV> http://www.Wedus.org
[11:51] <EricV> that's a concept and not really a software
[11:51] <EricV> we are customising a Linux to set up automaticaly a local web server
[11:52] <EricV> on this web server, we will put a portal dedicated to the people from 6th to Terminale (french scholar system)
[11:53] <EricV> you can see on this Visio: http://wedus.org/reseau_wedus.png our network
[11:54] <EricV> the big problem in africa is their network ! impossible for a school to be connected 24H a day to Internet with a 56K (too expensive, in not really easy to use)
[11:54] <EricV> (and not really to use)
[11:54] <EricV> so every day, an XML file is sent by Internet with all the updates made on a local server based in africa to the central server based in paris
[11:55] <EricV> and this central server will send new datas to the local server
[11:56] <bdoin> I see.
[11:56] <EricV> the local server will be connected only 5 minutes a day to internet, and they can have exchange with other people from the world, share lessons with others children, get the last news from LCI or CNN
[11:56] <bdoin> do you know the NTBF organisation, they are also working with the birkina
[11:58] <EricV> i didnt know this organisation, but i'm reading their web site
[11:59] <bdoin> they support several scools with computers there
[12:00] <EricV> maybe we will contact them, because we didnt choose our partner for the next year
[12:00] <EricV> they have a good article about elearning
[12:01] <EricV> that's good that try e-learning, in some country like Benin (wich is richer) they dont speak about that, because thats really to expensive