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[12:04] http://www.apple.com/macosx/ <-- excellent writing [12:04] http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx <-- good writing [12:05] how does mine compare with those efforts? [12:05] a little behind the Windows one [12:05] but it's easily improvable [12:08] Ok, you have "Built on the power of GNOME" [12:08] yes [12:08] That isn't "Built On the Power of GNOME", because that would look silly, right? :-) [12:08] So the other headings should be consistent [12:08] ya [12:08] will do [12:09] Find out the number of applications available in gnome-app-install that aren't installed by default, and mention that in the "Easy Software Installation" section [12:09] a huge number, thousands [12:10] but in g-a-i, several hundred [12:10] "Browse through and install from the hundreds of programs in the Ubuntu software catalogue, for no cost." [12:12] the sentence "And it's all absolutely free." should be in there somewhere, perhaps :-) [12:12] "no cost" is a bit of a negative way of putting it [12:12] "Add a new game, text editor or program with a single click. Browse through and install from the hundreds of programs in the Ubuntu software catalogue. And it's all absolutely free." [12:12] much better [12:13] Not all of the sections need screenshots [12:13] For example, Gaim isn't the prettiest app in the world [12:13] no [12:13] So instead you might have its icon, hugging the icons for AIM, YM, ICQ, MSN, and the others in some way [12:13] what else should I put in it's place? [12:14] hmm [12:14] might those logos present a copyright issue? [12:14] also, I cannot draw [12:14] hum, trademark, perhaps [12:15] yes [12:15] "View documents with Evince" is very uninteresting, unless you can come up with some stats for how much faster it is than Adobe Reader [12:15] ok [12:16] "View documents in a snap with Evince" [12:16] or "PDFs just got faster" [12:17] hmm [12:17] evince only appears once, in the about box [12:18] it is a true non-app-app. It doesn't even have a preferences dialog [12:18] What's the deadline for this document? [12:18] Do PostScript files open in Evince too? (I don't have Breezy here at work) [12:20] mpt, sort of today-ish, but I am going to push our string freeze [12:20] and yes, PS's do as wel [12:21] what about "Viewing PDF's just got faster" [12:21] It's a shame that only OO.o prints to PDFs, everything else to PS [12:21] cups-pdf should probably be installed by default [12:22] Now that I've gone through the whole thing, you probably want separate pages for each of the major sections [12:22] mpt, shall we raise that at UBZ (assuming I am there)? [12:23] I'm not sure what I could contribute to that, except to say "yes, it should be" [12:23] that is sometimes all that is needed === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Client] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-69-166.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] mpt, I have to run. If you have any other changes, simply PM me [12:39] ok [12:39] bloody work [12:52] hmm, the faq guide is looking pretty good in yelp now :) [12:52] and omg it doesn't crash! [12:55] =) [12:56] yay I am so tired now! [01:02] rob^: That's with the css update? [01:20] jbailey, yes [01:21] 4171 [01:29] 4171? === GranMaestro [n=chatzill@adsl-ull-149-41.46-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-250-189-242.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:13] hi all [02:16] can i add breezy stuff to the wiki? that's the only OS I am running === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:44] hi, can i try writing some documentation for multisync? [02:44] hey [02:44] there is none? [02:45] jsgotangco: hi [02:45] hi [02:47] robotgeek, feel free to do so if there is none at the moment [02:49] i looked at the docteam projects, i did not see any. [02:49] neither on the wiki [02:56] because its application-specific [02:56] upstream may have documentation for that === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:13] mdke, ping? === phin3as [n=phineas@cpe-204-210-13-42.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:36] cool, i guess i will look it up there then. if not i'll write it up and then contact you guys. [03:36] robotgeek, sure, its best to contribute to multisync itself as well [03:37] jsgotangco: as in? [03:37] contribute to multisync documentation directly? [03:37] yes why not? [03:37] all distributions will benefit from it for sure [03:37] not just ubuntu [03:38] sure, hadn't thought abt it, it definetly needs some amt of documenting! [03:39] cool, will do that, and probably keep the ubuntu specific things for ubuntu [03:39] yeah [03:39] i was the one who was supposed to do testing in multisync but i just have too many things in my hands atm [03:39] i did the pda spec [03:39] oh, it has a spec too? [03:39] let me find that [03:40] it should be revived for Breezy +1 [03:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PDASupport [03:40] no harm in getting it ready === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-89.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:41] how mature is multisync to be promotedto main? [03:42] hmmm.. [03:43] except for lack of documentation, everything else worked out of the box [03:43] what device areyou using [03:43] sycn to evo2? [03:43] i am using a sony ericsson t 637 [03:43] yeah, sync to evo2 [03:43] hmmm i'll probably revive this for next release then [03:44] if it works out of the box, that's a good sign [03:44] just lack of documentation left me searching left and right [03:46] but once i figured out what to do, it works fine [03:47] anyways, i'll be here after an hour or so, need to cook :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:58] hmmm for some reason make faqi386 takes forever === mp1 [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mp1 [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-89.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-250-189-242.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-132-73.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:13] hi, is there a single package i can install for the doc tools? [06:13] er, docbook-tools [06:20] brb === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] Burgundavia: ping [07:58] Madpilot, pong [07:59] hi all [07:59] hi robotgeek [08:00] working on a wiki article, i dunno if i am stepping on any toes! [08:00] the wiki is pretty much open territory, AFAIK [08:00] what're you working on? [08:01] an article on MultiSync howto [08:01] what's multisync? [08:01] still working on it, far from complete [08:01] multisync is a program to sync phones [08:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultisyncHowto [08:01] how do i add screenshots? [08:01] cool. my cel phone is very old tech, no PC connection at all! [08:02] screenshots - just a sec, I'll have a look thru the help stuff for you. [08:02] mine uses bluetooth [08:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking <-- images are in the first part of this page [08:03] i even went thru this link. the only problem with a wiki is that sometimes, i overlook stuff! [08:04] the editing help sections really aren't well laid out... [08:04] and i just link to someplace else? no upload and stuff? [08:04] no, you upload and then link it to the page you want it to appear on [08:05] okay, so someplace like imageshack is fine? [08:05] robotgeek, no, you upload to the wiki [08:05] the ubuntu wiki can host it's own pictures [08:05] hi Burgundavia - missed your pong at the top there [08:06] where's the upload button? [08:06] :) [08:06] see the dropdown menu near the top of the page? [08:07] one of those is "Attachments" which is actually the upload function... [08:07] okay, got it..it's hidden away :) [08:07] yeah [08:07] thanks! [08:07] I was beating my head against that too... === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === BeerDump [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:37] hmmm [08:37] beerdump? [08:38] jgotangco: just back from the pub? ;) [08:38] heh [08:38] we're now frozen =) [08:38] with the exception of Quick Tour [08:38] cool [08:39] now we can start arguing about breezy+1 docs! ;) [08:39] no [08:39] we argue first about translation and the CSS [08:39] ah, OK. [08:39] so the CSS doesn't count as part of the frozen docs? [08:39] we're only on string freeze [08:39] yes [08:39] because we have to give way for translators [08:40] that's seperation of presentation & content at work [08:40] yes [08:40] its all good [08:41] so is the plan to thrash QuickTour, AboutUbuntu and the FAQ into one coherent visual whole before Breezy release? [08:41] should be [08:41] sabdfl was asking about using some of the ubuntu css [08:41] we still have a month [08:41] sure [08:42] the hacked plone css? [08:42] Burgundavia: the ubuntu.com site css? [08:42] Madpilot, yes === Madpilot wanders off to have a look at the site CSS... [08:50] OK, that's both amusing and not good.... [08:51] www.ubuntu.com fails W3C Validator checks... [08:52] repeated abuse of a poor "id" tag, and some HTML->XHTML errors... [08:54] and about a dozen CSS files, including one Opera-specific one (for presentation, which only Opera does so far...) === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:01] oh! we have a meeting later! [09:01] when is later? [09:02] nevermind, just found the Calendar wiki page again [09:03] 1400Z is 0700 local, so I'm unlikely to be present... not a morning person [09:03] hmm im beginning to like this css thing [09:03] CSS is cool - what're you working on? [09:04] question: how comprehensive should an article on the wiki be? what can i assume? [09:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultisyncHowto [09:05] im found it [09:05] im looking at it atm [09:05] Madpilot, just playing aroud with the css in svn [09:05] robotgeek: your screenshots should probably use the default Ubuntu themes [09:06] hmm, had forgotten about that...i use openbox [09:07] robotgeek: can you reboot into Gnome just for the screenshots? [09:07] can do [09:07] yes [09:07] use Human [09:08] okay, but mainly...is it fair to assume that bluetooth works, or should i write up a wiki on that too. most of my knowledge on that comes from the forums thread [09:12] there don't seem to be any Bluetooth howtos on the wiki yet, robotgeek [09:15] there aren't any, so i might as well right one up [09:17] i am just going to include what i did to get it working, some one else can add some more info later [09:17] morning [09:17] hi mdke [09:17] how are things? [09:17] robotgeek: cool, whatever you start is more Bluetooth info than the wiki has now, anyway! [09:18] :) [09:18] back to work on it again, i guess [09:18] gonna read a little slashdot on the way! [09:21] hey mdke [09:21] mdke, i made one itsy bitsy edit after your pot but i generated it again [09:22] so we're now completely frozen [09:22] ok [09:22] the pots were just testing anyhow [09:22] which pot did you regenerate? [09:22] about-ubuntu [09:22] ok [09:22] are we going to feed the pots to rosetta? [09:23] later today I hope === jsgotangco has no idea on this regard [09:23] did you get your dsl already? [09:23] yeah it came early [09:24] nice [09:24] we can now worry about the css [09:24] do we have a list of the packages we need to put in rosetta? [09:24] jbailey packaged not i [09:25] hmm [09:25] sorry [09:25] well printing the quicktour sort of worked [09:25] s/packages/documents [09:25] the background colour died, and images look like shit [09:26] Burgundavia: background colour usually isn't printed w/ HTML [09:26] for some reason, the makefile for about-ubuntu doesn't get the image at all [09:26] the images also get divided between pages [09:27] but the coloured header css came through === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:27] hi enrico [09:27] heh [09:28] mdz has done a lot of work on that announcement, we can use it for releasenotes [09:28] yes [09:28] Burgundavia, maybe you can use it for the quicktour too? [09:28] the announcement seems a lot more technical than the quicktour [09:28] yeah [09:29] but I think they wanted it technical [09:29] the release notes for the preview are aimed at a more techinical audience [09:29] I expect the actual release to be slightly less technical [09:29] mdke, work on waht? [09:29] i'll add mdz's notes on the releasenotes wiki jbailey did [09:29] good idea [09:30] mdke, incorporating the stuff from the release notes into the quicktour? I already parsed through it to see if there was anything we needed to [09:30] add [09:30] Burgundavia, i meant from mdz's preview announcement, but as robitaille says, it might be a bit technical [09:30] sounds like jjesse wants to change kquickguide [09:30] another purpose of relesae notes is to add known bugs [09:31] mdke, i talked to Riddell about it, he's ok with it [09:31] kubuntu rarely gets translated he says [09:32] i think that translators will appear [09:32] hrmmm [09:32] i feel so bad about leaving the kubuntu quick guide [09:33] can't blame sean either if he didn't feel like finishing kde docs [09:33] nope [09:33] although he kinda slid out without saying anything [09:34] hmmm riddell didn't say anything about adept [09:34] you really need someone who has used the latest kde to develop a marketing guide forf it [09:34] isn't it worth freezing the kquickguide? [09:34] i know the thing that needs updating is quite important, but still, it might be better than nothing? [09:34] yes [09:34] mdke, is there anything worth freezing? [09:35] about kubuntu is usable [09:36] edubuntu has no freeze [09:36] Burgundavia, sure, about-ubuntu, faqguide [09:36] how is the quicktour getting on? [09:36] mdke, I was talking about the kquicktour [09:36] ah [09:36] apparently the doc is finished except for the package manager [09:37] Burgundavia, are you going to wait for artwork freeze to get screenshots? [09:37] mdke, coming. Is there any way trigger an update on the preview? [09:37] jsgotangco, yes [09:37] ickkk [09:37] whyyy? [09:37] Burgundavia, yes we can upload a new pot to rosetta [09:37] we're still using chocolate [09:37] err human [09:37] jsgotangco, are we changing icon theme? What about wallpaper? [09:38] i hope there will be new wallpaper [09:38] you can ask volvoguy and AndyFitz [09:38] mdke, no, http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/quicktour/quicktour.html this page. Can i trigger a rebuild of it> [09:38] they're supposed to be responsible for that [09:38] Burgundavia, i'll do it now [09:38] jsgotangco, jdub said they were thinking about it [09:38] ok [09:38] oh well rather [09:39] jsgotangco: hi! [09:39] ciao enrico [09:39] they had not yet decided if they were going to switch to humilty icons (which I personally hate) [09:39] hi all! [09:39] salut enrico [09:41] how do you incorporate the pot? [09:41] transform it? [09:41] what do you mean incorporate? [09:42] wrong word [09:42] how do make the pot file an xml again [09:42] same command [09:42] ahhh [09:42] --help [09:42] all those translated files need an omf for sure [09:44] mdke, can you trigger that rebuild again, I forgot to commit the changes [09:44] we'll need to make separate packages [09:44] Burgundavia, sure [09:44] what's the latest revision? [09:45] 1752? [09:45] yes [09:45] ok building [09:47] where does ubuntu-docs install our documents? [09:47] ugh, xscreensaver is butt ugly [09:47] matt@kallisto:/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML? [09:47] mdke, you apply for sponsorship to UBZ? [09:48] im not in breezy [09:49] Burgundavia, no [09:49] is jbailey around? [09:49] mdke, why not? [09:50] Burgundavia, i won't be able to get off work [09:50] ah [09:50] that's a shame [09:50] sadly [09:50] that sucks [09:50] i'm only starting the job next week ;) [09:50] ah === ajmitch thinks the doc team needs a good representation at UBZ :) [09:51] Burgundavia, i imagine you will stick up for us? [09:51] I only just started the job, but I made my leave at the end of Oct. a condition of the job [09:51] heh [09:51] mdke, I hope I get sponsorship === ajmitch just said that he was taking the time off [09:51] Burgundavia, i'm sure you will [09:51] so our packaged docs seem to go here: [09:51] so our packaged docs seem to go here: [08:50:51] * ajmitch thinks the doc team needs a good representation at UBZ :) [09:51] sorry [09:51] [08:51:02] < mdke> Burgundavia, i imagine you will stick up for us? [09:51] argh [09:51] bad paste [09:51] and I've already booked time off for LCA in january :) === Burgundavia refuses to count his chickens [09:52] so our packaged docs seem to go here: /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/about-ubuntu/C [09:52] yes [09:52] Burgundavia: I have to book in well ahead [09:52] isn't it a bit odd to have both en and C which specify language? [09:52] wow, the bloody touchpad works again [09:52] Burgundavia: daniels reverted the driver [09:52] ajmitch, ya, saw the change [09:52] mdke, i don't think it helps at all with html, only xml docs [09:53] but our make does output with C so [09:53] jsgotangco, yeah, C is fine, but why both? [09:53] hmm, nothing installed by default [09:53] seems an unnecessary way to lengthen the address [09:53] the faqguide didn't make preivew? [09:53] Burgundavia, it's there [09:53] just not in yelp [09:53] matt@kallisto:/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en$ ls [09:53] about-ubuntu faqamd64 faqppc quicktour [09:53] default.css faqi386 images release-notes [09:54] mdke, we can edit the script [09:54] (but the script editors are always out) [09:54] jsgotangco, well we need to sort it out quick because the firefox home page will be based on that address === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-250-189-242.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:54] mmmmm [09:54] good point [09:54] what time zone is jbailey in? [09:54] -4 [09:54] mdke, I just installed preview and /usr/share/doc has no ubuntu-doc in it === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:54] Burgundavia, ah i have it on my breezy here [09:55] mdke, fresh install? [09:55] Burgundavia, yes, from colony 2 [09:55] ubuntu-docs with an "s"? [09:55] just testing hibernate, just a sec [09:56] fyi I have /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs [09:57] I don't have /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-doc nor /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs either on my fresh install of preview [09:57] hmm [09:57] colony 4 was intalled the quickguide [09:57] I think they yanked that but forgot to readd our doc [09:57] Burgundavia, that was a bug [09:57] jsgotangco, yes [09:57] I don't see any package depending on the quick guide [09:57] it made the cd installable [09:57] ajmitch, it was fixed [09:58] yah it's fixed [09:58] jsgotangco: ok.. [09:58] I'll do a preview install later tonight [09:58] quickguide back then was a dependency of ubuntu-desktop [09:58] holy shit a lot of people are subbed to the LaptopTestingTeam page [09:59] Burgundavia, i've rebuilt the preview docs [09:59] yes [09:59] i did .* [09:59] mdke, hmm [09:59] did it work? [09:59] ok, this is cool --> http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/simple-things-2005-09-09-08-45 === Burgundavia notes that hmm usually indicates a non-working state [10:00] do we have a meeting this morning? [10:00] later [10:00] yes [10:00] arghh.. [10:00] i can't make it though [10:00] alright then, I need to crash [10:00] night Burgundavia [10:00] Burgundavia: another 0700-our-time-zone one :) [10:01] Burgundavia, did the rebuild work? [10:01] mdke, didn't seem to [10:01] are you rebuilding on doc.ubuntu.com? [10:01] yes [10:02] something wrong with the Makefile maybe [10:02] maybe jeffsch can sort it out [10:05] mdke, are we feeding to rosetta? [10:05] when we have a complete list of documents that need to go, I'll build pots for them and upload [10:06] ok [10:06] so the plan is that [10:06] or rather, give them to jordi to upload [10:06] we'll have translators do it with rosetta? [10:06] yeah [10:06] are there any disadvantages of that? [10:07] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations [10:07] no [10:07]