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| jbailey | foo | 03:33 |
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| ogra | bar ? | 03:35 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: don't forget baz | 03:35 |
| jbailey | Sounds like a great idea | 03:35 |
| ogra | heh | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | Fri Sep 9 13:35:41 UTC 2005 | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | oops | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | :) | 03:35 |
| jbailey | The problem is that my irssi seems to have opened a query window to the channel separate from my channel window. | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | how odd | 03:35 |
| jbailey | But soon I will be rid of this thing again. | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | so meeting is in ~25min | 03:36 |
| jbailey | It looks like xmove might have what I want. =) | 03:36 |
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| jsgotangco | i think i had too much alcohol | 03:54 |
| rob^ | hmm beer | 03:55 |
| jjesse | mmmm beer | 03:55 |
| rob^ | knocked a few back myself earlier | 03:56 |
| jbailey | I haven't. But it's 10am, and now's probably not the right time to start. | 03:56 |
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| jbailey | Yeah, still probably better not to. ;) | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | sounds tasty though | 03:58 |
| rob^ | dunno, when I was younger we had a early morning (read 11am) drink as a "hangover cure" | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | alrigntt | 03:59 |
| jjesse | jbailey: mix crown royal and mrs. butterworth | 03:59 |
| rob^ | shall we get this show on the road? | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | are we starting or are we being overruled atm | 03:59 |
| jbailey | overruled how? | 03:59 |
| rob^ | by what? | 03:59 |
| jbailey | Or do you mean by the drinking discussion?. | 04:00 |
| rob^ | haha | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | alright | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | we have 6 points to discuss | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | make that 5 | 04:00 |
| rob^ | should be fun :) | 04:00 |
| rob^ | ? | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | who's here | 04:00 |
| rob^ | which one are we killing? | 04:00 |
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| jsgotangco | just 3? | 04:01 |
| jbailey | mdke: *poke* | 04:01 |
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| sabdfl | hi all | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | hi | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | hi sabdfl | 04:02 |
| mdke | mattheweast | 04:02 |
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| rob^ | hi sabdfl | 04:02 |
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| jsgotangco | alright seems like a good presence | 04:02 |
| rob^ | fire away jsgotangco | 04:02 |
| jbailey | Is someone going to post a summary to -devel after? | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | 1. Packaging/Format changes | 04:02 |
| rob^ | jbailey, might be a good idea | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: fire away | 04:03 |
| jbailey | Lovely. It seems that we discovered this morning that the HTML format isn't suitable for the translators. | 04:03 |
| jbailey | Luckily for us, the source format, docbook, is. | 04:03 |
| jbailey | So the upshot is that we need to go back to that style and tie that into yelp instead. | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | (it always has been) | 04:04 |
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| jbailey | Err. | 04:04 |
| jbailey | Medical emergency? | 04:04 |
| rob^ | well I have observed that qanda tags that the faq guide uses now work properly in yelp | 04:04 |
| rob^ | with out crashing etc either | 04:04 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: breezy yelp? | 04:04 |
| rob^ | mdke is now removing the kde profile | 04:04 |
| mdke | i'm done | 04:05 |
| mdke | *pants* | 04:05 |
| jbailey | So, since I'm the uploader I'll work with mdke and get that in as soon as the lockdown is finished. | 04:05 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, The FAQ Guide, which is breezy help | 04:05 |
| mdke | jbailey, i know nothing about packaging sadly | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: i mean did you test it in yelp in breezy | 04:05 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, yes | 04:05 |
| jbailey | mdke: Ah, didn't you do the packaging that I worked from? | 04:05 |
| mdke | jbailey, nope sorry | 04:05 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, I'm looking at it now | 04:05 |
| jbailey | My mistake, I'll look it up. | 04:05 |
| jbailey | Packaging is something I do in my sleep, so no big deal. | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | ok so we're going back to docbook... | 04:06 |
| mdke | jbailey, but anyone in #ubuntu-docs can help with things | 04:06 |
| jbailey | My biggest concern at this point is divergeance between the package and the svn tree, since I still don't have write access. | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: i'll give you my account | 04:06 |
| mdke | jbailey, perhaps elmo can be poked? | 04:06 |
| rob^ | mdke, good luck :) | 04:06 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: I really phear that ide. | 04:06 |
| jbailey | +a | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | no need to poke i'll just give him my account | 04:06 |
| jbailey | It's just *so* the wrong answer. | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | the svn tree is sooo unfriendly in packaging | 04:07 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Are you going to be on again tonight? I'll try to ask elmo directly online today. | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | its a pain | 04:07 |
| rob^ | mdke, have you commited? | 04:07 |
| jbailey | tonight, meaning your tomorrow morning. =) | 04:07 |
| mdke | rob^, yeah | 04:07 |
| rob^ | k checking now | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: i'll be out early for SFD | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | if i get wifi | 04:08 |
| jbailey | dict SFD? | 04:08 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, same, 8am start | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | ok wait a bit | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | we're going too far | 04:08 |
| rob^ | ah crap, the Makefile just segfaulted | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: software freedom day. | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | so what's the thing with Packaging/Format changes | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | revert to XML again? | 04:08 |
| rob^ | err | 04:09 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Well, this is realted in that I want to commit the packaging bits to SVN as we go. | 04:09 |
| jbailey | But yes, revert to XML again. | 04:09 |
| jbailey | Upload when lockdown is removed. | 04:09 |
| sabdfl | a couple of questions | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: shoot | 04:09 |
| mdke | sabdfl, on the about-ubuntu doc, see my post in -devel | 04:09 |
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| jsgotangco | good thing im kinda drunk | 04:10 |
| mdke | lol | 04:10 |
| sabdfl | so, with xml, do we get the crappy CSS that yelp supports? | 04:10 |
| sabdfl | because the docs could look a lot better, and yelp is no help | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | yelp has its own stylesheets yes | 04:11 |
| rob^ | hmm mdke looks like your sed regex didn't work as you expected | 04:11 |
| rob^ | its left heaps of crud in the files | 04:11 |
| sabdfl | second. i can't remember. so about the formatting, can we do no better than yelp currently? | 04:11 |
| mdke | rob^, no way, i just used gedit's replace | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | hmmmm | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | i've been playing around with yelp lately | 04:12 |
| rob^ | mdke, its got "<<<<<<< .mine" all through it | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | the stylesheets alone are so slow.... | 04:12 |
| rob^ | and other crud | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | zz | 04:12 |
| mdke | rob^, can you give me an example? | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | i've seen docs in breezy yelp that render more than 5 secs. | 04:12 |
| jbailey | rob^: Local merge issues? Try rm'ing the file and svn up'ing? | 04:12 |
| jeffsch | if we use xml in yelp, then we use yelp's css | 04:13 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:13 |
| mdke | yeah i think jbailey is right | 04:13 |
| jeffsch | the only way around that is html | 04:13 |
| mdke | and html breaks translations | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | like i said in my emails ealier, yelp today is slower than ever | 04:13 |
| jeffsch | mdke: how? | 04:13 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, not for me it isn't | 04:13 |
| jeffsch | the po files are created from the xml | 04:13 |
| mdke | jeffsch, because they can't get yelp to display the default locale html file | 04:13 |
| mdke | only the english one | 04:13 |
| mdke | seb128 can explain better | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: strange i have 1gb of ram | 04:14 |
| rob^ | I have 512 and several things including ff open | 04:14 |
| mdke | jeffsch, yeah it's not the po files, but the final html files that are the problem | 04:14 |
| jbailey | mdke, seb128: Is there the possibility of hacking it for breezy+1 to support .LANG.html like apache does for auto selection, or do you think it would be too hard? | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | i don't really mind yelp it's what we have....html is a workaround, but has navigation issues.... | 04:15 |
| mdke | jbailey, over my head I'm afraid | 04:15 |
| jeffsch | so in addition to being a rotten help viewer, yelp is also a rotten html viewer | 04:15 |
| seb128 | mdke: the issue is not to display the file. But yelp work with/index xml files | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | when yelp renders html it takes over the whole screen | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | and with a doc like the faqguide, you'll need to maximize the screen... | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | i've tested it 3 days ago... | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | that's why my concern was the css | 04:17 |
| mdke | anyway the docs should be ok to ship with xml | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | i really hated the result | 04:17 |
| mdke | for the firefox homepage we'll need html though | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | that's not a problem | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | we just dump everyting in /usr/share/doc | 04:17 |
| jbailey | mdke: Does the doc-team maintain that? It's from the ubuntu-artwork package. | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | the omf file should do the trick for yelp | 04:18 |
| mdke | jbailey, yes, firefox needs to be changed to point to the ubuntu-docs version | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | (editing the main yelp frontpage is another story) | 04:18 |
| mdke | jbailey, bug is open | 04:18 |
| jbailey | mdke: 'k. /me TODOs that. | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | k are we done with this topic? | 04:18 |
| mdke | i think so | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | we go back to xml | 04:18 |
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| mdke | best thing is if jbailey works with seb128 to make sure it will work | 04:19 |
| mdke | because i don't understand anything here | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | ok FAQ Guide Profile changes | 04:19 |
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| rob^ | ok | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | seems it is being done atm | 04:19 |
| rob^ | mdke and myself have started it | 04:19 |
| mdke | yes | 04:19 |
| mdke | it's done except for fixing a weird validation problem that we can't figure out | 04:20 |
| rob^ | we are removing the kde profile from the faq guide, this can be done as a different doc later | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | ngghh | 04:20 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Can we recap the TODOs from that? Package upload with XML, change Firefox/Ephy to use ubuntu-docs start page. Was there anything else as an action action item? | 04:20 |
| rob^ | there is also the issue with the archs | 04:20 |
| mdke | jbailey, the aboutubuntu doc needs to be there as html too, for firefox | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: that's it atm...the CSS for aboutubuntu can be done | 04:20 |
| jbailey | 'k thanks. | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | i've been playing around the CSS | 04:21 |
| rob^ | there is no difference between the i386, amd64 and ppc archs for the FAQ Guide | 04:21 |
| rob^ | this could all be the same package | 04:21 |
| rob^ | but in future there may most likely be differences | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | ok go on i'm getting something to drink | 04:22 |
| rob^ | however none of this was profiled | 04:22 |
| rob^ | so which way do we go? | 04:22 |
| mdke | jbailey, the other thing was, i noticed that the address for the docs was a bit odd, it has both /en/ and /C/ in it, is that intentional? | 04:22 |
| jbailey | mdke: I took it from the package build. | 04:23 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:23 |
| jbailey | mdke: I'll ask in the other channel, I don't think that needs meeting time. | 04:23 |
| mdke | again seb128 can probably tell you which is right | 04:23 |
| jeffsch | C is the locale that C language programs default to | 04:24 |
| jeffsch | we really should be using en instead | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | C the programmiongg lnguage? | 04:24 |
| mdke | having both means its difficult to figure out where to put the translations | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | shie | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | no it shouldnt be | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | look at hoary | 04:25 |
| jbailey | The C locale is just the default on a Posix system. It's traditionally english and uses the ASCII character set. | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | its all in one folder | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | C, tl, xh, et... | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | excedpt that every omf points to a different folder | 04:25 |
| jeffsch | we're stuck with C for now, switching to en is a big job and should be left for after breezy release | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | although en is what docbook/xslt recognizes | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | so to recap FAQ Guide is being de-profiled | 04:26 |
| mdke | jeffsch, my point is that the docs are in /usr/share/docs/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/about-ubuntu/C/ now, are both en and C needed? if so, where do the translations go? | 04:26 |
| jsgotangco | i'm loving every minute | 04:26 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, yep, to use xml we have to | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | bloody hell its like june all over again | 04:27 |
| jsgotangco | i guess there's no string freeze atm | 04:27 |
| rob^ | its a shame jdub and others are not here to explain it better | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | i'm not bitter about it...it should really have been xml in the first placee...but its already september can't blame anyone right now | 04:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, well the strings can still be frozen, the packaging can be sorted out | 04:28 |
| mdke | i want to get the files to translation ASAP | 04:29 |
| rob^ | argg who wrote that vaildation script anyway? | 04:29 |
| mdke | no idea | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | sure...im just too tired atm..i've been fixing those docs for weeks... | 04:29 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Right. Through Breezy+1 I want to do weekly uploads of the doc-team package, so that these things get caught earlier. | 04:29 |
| rob^ | the output from it sucks! | 04:29 |
| rob^ | it explains nothing | 04:30 |
| mdke | jbailey, that would be great | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | whoever is going to UBZ, please plan this in a BOF | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE | 04:30 |
| mdke | no one :( | 04:30 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Which this? | 04:30 |
| jbailey | Just so I can get it right, since I'll be there. | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | the whole doc process | 04:30 |
| rob^ | yes, now one is going :( | 04:30 |
| jbailey | (Too many threads to follow at once here) | 04:30 |
| rob^ | err no one that is | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | i've been working on docs since the start and its really frustrating to come up to like this in the end | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | i just felt the smackdown | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just work on my edubuntu stuff till then | 04:32 |
| rob^ | there was an hour long discussion in #u-d about it with seb128, jdub etc | 04:32 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: =( That's part of why I want to integrate everything from teh beginning of the release as opposed to the last moment of preview freeze. | 04:33 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: We'll catch so many things way earlier then. | 04:33 |
| mdke | anyway, we can sort it out | 04:33 |
| rob^ | yeah | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: growing pains indeed | 04:33 |
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| mdke | what still needs to be sorted out? | 04:34 |
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| jsgotangco | anyways, the rest in the agenda has no use for now | 04:34 |
| Deepy | damn, why can i never find the help when i need it :P | 04:34 |
| Deepy | #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned) | 04:34 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: I can also serve a bit as a coding bitch for docteam related things. | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 04:34 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, yes, your right | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | i'll probably just stay in the sides for now and just do the other stuff... | 04:35 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, don't get bitter about it | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: can't do anything about it now | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | no use either | 04:36 |
| rob^ | we have to change a few things, but its not that much work | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | np | 04:36 |
| rob^ | and apart from the faq guide you have until next release to get things sorted | 04:36 |
| rob^ | the quickguide doesn't matter, its only small and not finished yet anyway | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | ok so anything else | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | the rest of the agenda aren't worth discussing anymore | 04:37 |
| rob^ | until we get this figured out, the rest of the agenda is pointless | 04:38 |
| jbailey | 'kay. Who will summarise this and sent to u-d? | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | i'm sorry i'm just not up to it atm | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | sorry guys | 04:38 |
| rob^ | I can if you want | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | do it | 04:38 |
| jbailey | rob^: Would you mind? I'd prefer it was someone who's been involved with the doc team longer than I have been. =) | 04:38 |
| rob^ | ok | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | boy this day really sucks... | 04:39 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, don't worry | 04:39 |
| mdke | get some green tea | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | alright then | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | thanks guys | 04:40 |
| rob^ | yeah, my wife says chocolate helps too | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | let's just meet again in 2 weeks | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: i'm a diabetic | 04:40 |
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| rob^ | jsgotangco, well. yeah, I guess not :) | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | sorry if i can't be of any use right now | 04:41 |
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| rob^ | wow he took that bad | 04:42 |
| rob^ | considering mdke and myself are doing the work | 04:43 |
| mdke | :( | 04:43 |
| rob^ | anyway.. | 04:43 |
| jeffsch | so are we done here then? | 04:45 |
| rob^ | yep | 04:48 |
| mdke | looks like it | 04:49 |
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| segfault | is the meeting over? :P | 05:15 |
| rob^ | yeah | 05:15 |
| rob^ | it was kind of a non event | 05:15 |
| rob^ | we are shipping xml now.. | 05:16 |
| segfault | nice. is there any list of what needs to be translated? | 05:16 |
| rob^ | it will pretty much only be the FAQ Guide | 05:16 |
| rob^ | we are getting the .xml up to scratch right now | 05:17 |
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| rob^ | yeah no good mdke | 05:17 |
| rob^ | err | 05:18 |
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| segfault | are you guys uploading ubuntu-doc to breezy branch? | 05:21 |
| rob^ | yeah, I think jbailey is doing it | 05:22 |
| jbailey | Yup | 05:22 |
| jbailey | I'll probably get SVN access today, in which case I'll do a breezy branch for the packaging, and start helping with the cleanup of the trunk. | 05:23 |
| segfault | should i wait your upload to start translating? or i can get the sources from other place? | 05:24 |
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| mdke | segfault, please wait until we upload to rosetta and announce on the translators lists | 05:24 |
| segfault | no problem. | 05:25 |
| mdke | :) | 05:26 |
| mdke | shouldn't be long now | 05:26 |
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| \sh | hi nkour | 09:02 |
| sabdfl | hi guys, what's up? | 09:03 |
| \sh | nkour: mark == sabdfl | 09:03 |
| sabdfl | \sh said you were curious about rosetta? | 09:04 |
| nkour | sabdfl, hi man. congratulations on the trip to universe and on the successful management of Canonical | 09:04 |
| sabdfl | we're all on a trip through the universe ;-) | 09:04 |
| nkour | which supports Ubuntu | 09:04 |
| nkour | sabdfl, yes but you are lucky to have seen the opposite. | 09:05 |
| nkour | of what we see | 09:05 |
| sabdfl | and the support of Ubuntu is more a labour of fun than profit! hopefully we'll make it sustain itself someday | 09:05 |
| \sh | ok...i have to do some uploads ... I think you can do without me :) thx sabdfl for your time :) | 09:05 |
| sabdfl | ok, thanks \sh | 09:06 |
| nkour | sabdfl, we are just curious why LP is not free | 09:06 |
| sabdfl | nkour, slomo: do you have specific questions i can help with? | 09:06 |
| sabdfl | ok | 09:06 |
| sabdfl | LP has some commercial services - for companies that want to make derivatives of ubuntu | 09:06 |
| slomo | sabdfl: i'm just here for listening :) | 09:06 |
| nkour | sorry to take your time for that it was not intented but \sh doesn't know :) | 09:06 |
| sabdfl | we haven't announced those because they are not ready | 09:06 |
| sabdfl | but essentially its one of the ways we will compete with sourceforge, redhat, progeny | 09:07 |
| nkour | ok but you also work/test closely with Ubuntu | 09:07 |
| sabdfl | yes, ubuntu gets to use it all for free | 09:07 |
| nkour | and you grab POT/po for example .. | 09:07 |
| nkour | for Rosetta | 09:07 |
| sabdfl | yes | 09:07 |
| nkour | I'm not a laywer but what does GPL say? | 09:08 |
| nkour | on that* | 09:08 |
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| nkour | I mean aren't po GPL work? | 09:08 |
| sabdfl | GPL talks about redistribution | 09:08 |
| sabdfl | so, if you take a GPL work, change it, and *share* it, you need to share the changes too | 09:09 |
| sabdfl | in the case of LP, the code has never been released | 09:09 |
| nkour | yes I'm aware | 09:09 |
| sabdfl | well | 09:09 |
| sabdfl | bits have been released, under the GPL | 09:09 |
| nkour | yes I"m aware of that too | 09:09 |
| nkour | I think it's very wise that all is GPL asap though.. I do not understand why it has to be ready to do so | 09:09 |
| sabdfl | nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux | 09:10 |
| nkour | I always thought the power of FLOSS is that community can fix bugs, atm we have to ask a closed-circle of devs | 09:10 |
| nkour | sabdfl, so that disallows you to release the others part as GPL? | 09:10 |
| sabdfl | no, we could certainly release parts of it | 09:10 |
| sabdfl | but they would not compile and run | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | and that's no fun | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | we've said it will be released if canonical fails | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | and over time, as we can componentise it, we will release the components that have no competitive advantage | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | i would love to release the regitry TODAY | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | but it's deeply integrated, it would not be possible without lots of work | 09:11 |
| sabdfl | to extract the registry from the rest of it | 09:12 |
| nkour | sabdfl, yes at least you could put a timeplan of when you will consider LP ready for GPL? | 09:12 |
| sabdfl | it will take years | 09:12 |
| sabdfl | and as we gpl some parts, we will develop new pieces | 09:12 |
| nkour | sabdfl, or else it sounds as an excuse to many ears [and you're clever I do not have to say that] | 09:12 |
| sabdfl | well - we publish all of the data in launchpad | 09:13 |
| sabdfl | translations come out as po files every day | 09:13 |
| sabdfl | so nobody is dependent on it to get their data out | 09:13 |
| nkour | yes apparently you also test on Ubuntu so that makes integration with your ubuntu and non-free LP not very logical | 09:13 |
| sabdfl | test on ubuntu? | 09:14 |
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| nkour | well I hear that you plan to integrate a python module about auto adding LP support to a gtk app for example | 09:14 |
| nkour | s/I hear/I saw/ | 09:14 |
| nkour | you not you personally | 09:14 |
| sabdfl | yes, LP has api's and if we release code to talk to those API's it will be free code | 09:14 |
| nkour | but that can be considered cool etc.. anyways at least page should say: "LP will not be GPL until years to come?" | 09:15 |
| sabdfl | but - bits of it are already gpl | 09:15 |
| sabdfl | we have released tons of code, and will continue to do so | 09:15 |
| dkirov | sabdfl, what stops you make it all GPL? | 09:15 |
| sabdfl | dkirov: competition with progeny, redhat, novell | 09:16 |
| nkour | <sabdfl> nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux | 09:16 |
| nkour | dkirov, * | 09:16 |
| dkirov | competition in what way. Who will make more code on non GPL? I cannot get it | 09:16 |
| sabdfl | it's like altavista, or google. they use free software, they release a lot of code, but they keep their core competitive advantage closed until it makes sense to them to release it | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | dkirov: there are lots of companies making custom distros | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | there are free tools to do so | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | we will offer a web based service to automate a lot of it | 09:17 |
| dkirov | sabfl, with google it is different, because they don;t release this code | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | and charge for that service | 09:17 |
| dkirov | they use free software for their needs, which is one of the freedoms | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | dkirov: they release some code, but not the code that they believe gives them a competitive advantage | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | same with lp | 09:17 |
| sabdfl | we release some code | 09:18 |
| sabdfl | but not the pieces that we consider to give us a competitive advantage | 09:18 |
| sabdfl | i hope that this will allow us to get ubuntu to be sustainable, so it doesn't need ongoing interest from me - i can go back to space | 09:18 |
| dkirov | which is not GPL. I cannot understand how can you release code, which you plan to GPL and not make it GPL from the beginning | 09:18 |
| sabdfl | and leave mdz & team to make ubuntu better, funding themselves | 09:18 |
| sabdfl | dkirov: we have not released LP | 09:19 |
| sabdfl | if you own code, you can release pieces of it | 09:19 |
| dkirov | so it means that there is no LP ? | 09:19 |
| sabdfl | dkirov: ? | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | launchpad.net | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | def process(self, bug): | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | # we are not creating, but we need to find the bug from the bug num | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | return getUtility(IBugSet).get(bug) | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | assert IBugLinkTarget.providedBy(self.context) | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | return self.context.linkBug(content) | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | oops | 09:20 |
| dkirov | sorry, is LP only web based. Someone told me that it comes on ubunto | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | i just released some code ;-) | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | yes, LP is web based | 09:20 |
| sabdfl | we have never released code under a non-free licence | 09:21 |
| dkirov | so, it is independent of the distro? | 09:21 |
| sabdfl | yes | 09:21 |
| sabdfl | it's not on the cd | 09:21 |
| sabdfl | it's on our servers | 09:21 |
| sabdfl | there is a library in ubuntu that lets the ubuntu apps connect to launchpad, and that library is of course free too | 09:21 |
| dkirov | sabdfl, ok | 09:22 |
| sabdfl | no worries. we will never introduce non-free apps to ubuntu | 09:22 |
| nkour | sabdfl, ok | 09:22 |
| nkour | sabdfl, do you plan to go back to space? | 09:22 |
| sabdfl | i just turned down a request from a company that wants its app in main, and is non-free | 09:22 |
| sabdfl | i told them multiverse | 09:22 |
| sabdfl | nkour: yes, in time. if we make a success of ubuntu | 09:22 |
| sabdfl | would you like to come along? | 09:23 |
| nkour | sabdfl, well. who wouldn't? and I do not feel special so I take that as a nice gesture :) | 09:23 |
| nkour | sabdfl, what I never understood is this: you were born in a rich family? | 09:23 |
| nkour | and if yes, how come you got involved with GNU/Linux and not golf? :) | 09:24 |
| nkour | sabdfl, anyways I even read the fight about you or not you being the first african in space :) | 09:24 |
| nkour | sabdfl, keep it up man and I hope all goes well. thanks for your time | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | thanks guys | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | nkour: no, i was born into a middle class family | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | i was very lucky during the 1990's, at the start of the .com boom | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | i learned about SSL and PKI and crypto, and built a business called Thawte, from the garage | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | very lucky | 09:26 |
| nkour | oh yes that Thawte rings a bell :) | 09:26 |
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| sabdfl | stay well | 09:26 |
| sabdfl | back to my code now | 09:26 |
| nkour | sabdfl, enjoy | 09:26 |
| sabdfl | hey Mez | 09:26 |
| sabdfl | see you at UBZ! | 09:26 |
| Mez | evening mark, nice interview in PC Format ... I just read | 09:27 |
| Mez | sabdfl - was the see you at UBZ to me? or someone else? | 09:27 |
| ogra | heh | 09:27 |
| sabdfl | Mez: you, dude | 09:27 |
| Mez | woah... | 09:27 |
| \sh | sabdfl: thx for your time... | 09:28 |
| Mez | I've been away all week... didn't know I'd been sponsored | 09:28 |
| \sh | Mez: you don't read mail? :) | 09:28 |
| Mez | I havent had net access for 2 weeks | 09:28 |
| Mez | I'm just downloading my mail now | 09:28 |
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| Mez | downliading mesage 269 of 2226 | 09:32 |
| \sh | Mez: wow | 09:32 |
| Mez | yeah | 09:33 |
| Mez | been away since last tuesday and look what happens | 09:33 |
| Mez | hmm.. | 09:33 |
| Mez | poop... | 09:33 |
| Mez | I dont have a laptop | 09:33 |
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| Mez | when/where were sponsorship things talked about | 09:36 |
| Mez | in public? | 09:36 |
| Mez | cause I wanna read logs | 09:36 |
| \sh | Mez: in private | 09:38 |
| \sh | Mez: but I just got a adrenalin kick this morning ;) | 09:38 |
| Mez | \sh: you're going too? | 09:39 |
| Mez | well I need to wait for this email | 09:39 |
| Mez | lol | 09:39 |
| Mez | and find out what I need | 09:39 |
| \sh | Mez: Yes ;) my flights are booked already :) | 09:39 |
| Mez | lol | 09:39 |
| \sh | edward is fast..and claire is very helpfull I must say | 09:39 |
| Mez | hmm... if I'm being sponsored does that mean I have to pay then get reimbursed or something? | 09:39 |
| Mez | *shrugs* | 09:40 |
| Mez | I'll wait for the email | 09:40 |
| \sh | Mez: you can adjust the flight dates..and you have to pay the days before or after... | 09:40 |
| Mez | ?? | 09:40 |
| Mez | I have to pay what ? | 09:40 |
| \sh | Mez: ok..arrival is 29...(officially) | 09:40 |
| \sh | so if you want to come on the 26 | 09:40 |
| \sh | you have to pay 3 nights in some hotel | 09:41 |
| \sh | (which is very expensive in the holliday inn ;))) | 09:41 |
| Mez | ah, wouldnt be able to afford that :P | 09:41 |
| \sh | but from the 29 to the pointed out date...it's sponsored | 09:41 |
| \sh | I'm leaving on the 6th | 09:41 |
| Mez | what exactly is actually paid for by canonical ( or more to the point, what do I need to pay for) | 09:42 |
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| \sh | flight, hotel, and breakfast? i don't know...the evening amusement with your motu dudes you have to pay...or I ,-) | 09:42 |
| \sh | flight and hotel yes..breakfast is standard for the hotel...so ask claire ,-) | 09:43 |
| Mez | *shrugs* | 09:43 |
| Mez | I'll wait for the email | 09:43 |
| Mez | (wish this net was faster) | 09:43 |
| \sh | Mez: but I will work some more nightshifts this month..so I can pay all the beer which I promised to mdz/elmo/daniels/etc.pp. | 09:43 |
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| Mez | s/kamion/keybuk | 09:44 |
| \sh | Mez: ;) | 09:44 |
| Mez | but, I wont be able to buy beer there anyways | 09:45 |
| \sh | Mez: we will find a solution | 09:46 |
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