=== mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F70F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === panickedthumb [n=travis@rad-va-20-pc-163.cablenet-va.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:10] w/in 32 === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-075.dsl.ligado.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-075.dsl.ligado.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === magnon [n=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-088-248.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === praetorian [n=praetori@unaffiliated/praetorian] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === magnon [n=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D2AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-171.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:33] foo === jbailey [n=jbailey@128.100.103.99] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === jbailey [n=jbailey@128.100.103.99] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:35] bar ? === ajmitch nods [03:35] ogra: don't forget baz [03:35] Sounds like a great idea [03:35] heh [03:35] Fri Sep 9 13:35:41 UTC 2005 [03:35] oops [03:35] :) [03:35] The problem is that my irssi seems to have opened a query window to the channel separate from my channel window. [03:35] how odd [03:35] But soon I will be rid of this thing again. [03:36] so meeting is in ~25min [03:36] It looks like xmove might have what I want. =) === ajmitch should go & drown his sorrows instead :) === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.5.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:54] i think i had too much alcohol [03:55] hmm beer [03:55] mmmm beer [03:56] knocked a few back myself earlier [03:56] I haven't. But it's 10am, and now's probably not the right time to start. === jbailey looks at the bottle of maple whiskey. [03:57] Yeah, still probably better not to. ;) [03:58] sounds tasty though [03:59] dunno, when I was younger we had a early morning (read 11am) drink as a "hangover cure" [03:59] alrigntt [03:59] jbailey: mix crown royal and mrs. butterworth [03:59] shall we get this show on the road? [03:59] are we starting or are we being overruled atm [03:59] overruled how? [03:59] by what? [04:00] Or do you mean by the drinking discussion?. [04:00] haha [04:00] heh [04:00] alright [04:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda [04:00] we have 6 points to discuss [04:00] hmm [04:00] make that 5 [04:00] should be fun :) [04:00] ? [04:00] who's here [04:00] which one are we killing? === jsgotangco is JeromeGotangco === rob^ RobertStoffers === jbailey JeffBailey === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-075.dsl.ligado.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:01] just 3? [04:01] mdke: *poke* === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _jeff [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-134.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:02] hi all [04:02] hi [04:02] hi sabdfl [04:02] mattheweast === jsgotangco is preparing his pick axe [04:02] hi sabdfl === sabdfl puts on teflon [04:02] alright seems like a good presence [04:02] fire away jsgotangco [04:02] Is someone going to post a summary to -devel after? [04:02] 1. Packaging/Format changes [04:03] jbailey, might be a good idea [04:03] jbailey: fire away [04:03] Lovely. It seems that we discovered this morning that the HTML format isn't suitable for the translators. [04:03] Luckily for us, the source format, docbook, is. [04:04] So the upshot is that we need to go back to that style and tie that into yelp instead. [04:04] (it always has been) === jsgotangco dies [04:04] Err. [04:04] Medical emergency? [04:04] well I have observed that qanda tags that the faq guide uses now work properly in yelp [04:04] with out crashing etc either [04:04] Cool. [04:04] rob^: breezy yelp? [04:04] mdke is now removing the kde profile [04:05] i'm done [04:05] *pants* [04:05] So, since I'm the uploader I'll work with mdke and get that in as soon as the lockdown is finished. [04:05] jsgotangco, The FAQ Guide, which is breezy help [04:05] jbailey, i know nothing about packaging sadly [04:05] rob^: i mean did you test it in yelp in breezy [04:05] jsgotangco, yes [04:05] mdke: Ah, didn't you do the packaging that I worked from? [04:05] jbailey, nope sorry [04:05] jsgotangco, I'm looking at it now [04:05] My mistake, I'll look it up. [04:05] Packaging is something I do in my sleep, so no big deal. [04:06] ok so we're going back to docbook... [04:06] jbailey, but anyone in #ubuntu-docs can help with things [04:06] My biggest concern at this point is divergeance between the package and the svn tree, since I still don't have write access. [04:06] jbailey: i'll give you my account [04:06] jbailey, perhaps elmo can be poked? [04:06] mdke, good luck :) [04:06] jsgotangco: I really phear that ide. [04:06] +a [04:06] no need to poke i'll just give him my account [04:06] It's just *so* the wrong answer. [04:07] ok [04:07] the svn tree is sooo unfriendly in packaging [04:07] jsgotangco: Are you going to be on again tonight? I'll try to ask elmo directly online today. [04:07] its a pain [04:07] mdke, have you commited? [04:07] tonight, meaning your tomorrow morning. =) [04:07] rob^, yeah [04:07] k checking now [04:08] jbailey: i'll be out early for SFD [04:08] if i get wifi [04:08] dict SFD? [04:08] jsgotangco, same, 8am start [04:08] ok wait a bit [04:08] we're going too far [04:08] ah crap, the Makefile just segfaulted [04:08] jbailey: software freedom day. [04:08] so what's the thing with Packaging/Format changes [04:08] revert to XML again? [04:09] err [04:09] jsgotangco: Well, this is realted in that I want to commit the packaging bits to SVN as we go. [04:09] But yes, revert to XML again. [04:09] Upload when lockdown is removed. [04:09] a couple of questions [04:09] oh well [04:09] sabdfl: shoot [04:09] sabdfl, on the about-ubuntu doc, see my post in -devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-9-8.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:10] good thing im kinda drunk [04:10] lol [04:10] so, with xml, do we get the crappy CSS that yelp supports? [04:11] because the docs could look a lot better, and yelp is no help [04:11] yelp has its own stylesheets yes [04:11] hmm mdke looks like your sed regex didn't work as you expected [04:11] its left heaps of crud in the files [04:11] second. i can't remember. so about the formatting, can we do no better than yelp currently? [04:11] rob^, no way, i just used gedit's replace [04:11] hmmmm [04:12] i've been playing around with yelp lately [04:12] mdke, its got "<<<<<<< .mine" all through it [04:12] the stylesheets alone are so slow.... [04:12] and other crud [04:12] zz [04:12] rob^, can you give me an example? [04:12] i've seen docs in breezy yelp that render more than 5 secs. [04:12] rob^: Local merge issues? Try rm'ing the file and svn up'ing? [04:13] if we use xml in yelp, then we use yelp's css [04:13] ok [04:13] yeah i think jbailey is right [04:13] the only way around that is html [04:13] and html breaks translations [04:13] like i said in my emails ealier, yelp today is slower than ever [04:13] mdke: how? [04:13] jsgotangco, not for me it isn't [04:13] the po files are created from the xml [04:13] jeffsch, because they can't get yelp to display the default locale html file [04:13] only the english one [04:14] seb128 can explain better [04:14] rob^: strange i have 1gb of ram [04:14] I have 512 and several things including ff open [04:14] jeffsch, yeah it's not the po files, but the final html files that are the problem [04:15] mdke, seb128: Is there the possibility of hacking it for breezy+1 to support .LANG.html like apache does for auto selection, or do you think it would be too hard? [04:15] i don't really mind yelp it's what we have....html is a workaround, but has navigation issues.... [04:15] jbailey, over my head I'm afraid [04:15] so in addition to being a rotten help viewer, yelp is also a rotten html viewer [04:16] mdke: the issue is not to display the file. But yelp work with/index xml files [04:16] when yelp renders html it takes over the whole screen [04:16] and with a doc like the faqguide, you'll need to maximize the screen... [04:17] i've tested it 3 days ago... [04:17] that's why my concern was the css [04:17] anyway the docs should be ok to ship with xml [04:17] i really hated the result [04:17] for the firefox homepage we'll need html though [04:17] that's not a problem [04:17] we just dump everyting in /usr/share/doc [04:17] mdke: Does the doc-team maintain that? It's from the ubuntu-artwork package. [04:18] the omf file should do the trick for yelp [04:18] jbailey, yes, firefox needs to be changed to point to the ubuntu-docs version [04:18] (editing the main yelp frontpage is another story) [04:18] jbailey, bug is open [04:18] mdke: 'k. /me TODOs that. [04:18] k are we done with this topic? [04:18] i think so [04:18] we go back to xml === jsgotangco sheeshh [04:19] best thing is if jbailey works with seb128 to make sure it will work [04:19] because i don't understand anything here [04:19] ok FAQ Guide Profile changes === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:19] ok [04:19] seems it is being done atm [04:19] mdke and myself have started it [04:19] yes [04:20] it's done except for fixing a weird validation problem that we can't figure out [04:20] we are removing the kde profile from the faq guide, this can be done as a different doc later [04:20] ngghh [04:20] jsgotangco: Can we recap the TODOs from that? Package upload with XML, change Firefox/Ephy to use ubuntu-docs start page. Was there anything else as an action action item? [04:20] there is also the issue with the archs [04:20] jbailey, the aboutubuntu doc needs to be there as html too, for firefox [04:20] jbailey: that's it atm...the CSS for aboutubuntu can be done [04:21] 'k thanks. [04:21] i've been playing around the CSS [04:21] there is no difference between the i386, amd64 and ppc archs for the FAQ Guide [04:21] this could all be the same package [04:22] but in future there may most likely be differences [04:22] ok go on i'm getting something to drink [04:22] however none of this was profiled [04:22] so which way do we go? [04:22] jbailey, the other thing was, i noticed that the address for the docs was a bit odd, it has both /en/ and /C/ in it, is that intentional? [04:23] mdke: I took it from the package build. [04:23] hmm [04:23] mdke: I'll ask in the other channel, I don't think that needs meeting time. [04:23] again seb128 can probably tell you which is right [04:24] C is the locale that C language programs default to [04:24] we really should be using en instead [04:24] C the programmiongg lnguage? [04:24] having both means its difficult to figure out where to put the translations [04:24] shie [04:25] no it shouldnt be [04:25] look at hoary [04:25] The C locale is just the default on a Posix system. It's traditionally english and uses the ASCII character set. [04:25] its all in one folder [04:25] C, tl, xh, et... [04:25] excedpt that every omf points to a different folder [04:25] we're stuck with C for now, switching to en is a big job and should be left for after breezy release [04:26] although en is what docbook/xslt recognizes [04:26] so to recap FAQ Guide is being de-profiled [04:26] jeffsch, my point is that the docs are in /usr/share/docs/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/about-ubuntu/C/ now, are both en and C needed? if so, where do the translations go? [04:26] i'm loving every minute [04:27] jsgotangco, yep, to use xml we have to [04:27] bloody hell its like june all over again [04:27] i guess there's no string freeze atm [04:28] its a shame jdub and others are not here to explain it better [04:28] i'm not bitter about it...it should really have been xml in the first placee...but its already september can't blame anyone right now [04:28] jsgotangco, well the strings can still be frozen, the packaging can be sorted out [04:29] i want to get the files to translation ASAP [04:29] argg who wrote that vaildation script anyway? [04:29] no idea [04:29] sure...im just too tired atm..i've been fixing those docs for weeks... [04:29] jsgotangco: Right. Through Breezy+1 I want to do weekly uploads of the doc-team package, so that these things get caught earlier. [04:29] the output from it sucks! [04:30] it explains nothing [04:30] jbailey, that would be great [04:30] whoever is going to UBZ, please plan this in a BOF [04:30] PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE [04:30] no one :( [04:30] jsgotangco: Which this? [04:30] Just so I can get it right, since I'll be there. [04:30] the whole doc process [04:30] yes, now one is going :( [04:30] (Too many threads to follow at once here) [04:30] err no one that is [04:31] i've been working on docs since the start and its really frustrating to come up to like this in the end [04:32] i just felt the smackdown [04:32] i'll just work on my edubuntu stuff till then [04:32] there was an hour long discussion in #u-d about it with seb128, jdub etc [04:33] jsgotangco: =( That's part of why I want to integrate everything from teh beginning of the release as opposed to the last moment of preview freeze. [04:33] jsgotangco: We'll catch so many things way earlier then. [04:33] anyway, we can sort it out [04:33] yeah [04:33] jbailey: growing pains indeed === Deepy [i=Dreamcas@85.11.204.88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:34] what still needs to be sorted out? === rob^ throws a book at this stupid vaildate script [04:34] anyways, the rest in the agenda has no use for now [04:34] damn, why can i never find the help when i need it :P [04:34] #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned) [04:34] jsgotangco: I can also serve a bit as a coding bitch for docteam related things. [04:34] thanks [04:35] jsgotangco, yes, your right [04:35] i'll probably just stay in the sides for now and just do the other stuff... [04:35] jsgotangco, don't get bitter about it [04:36] rob^: can't do anything about it now [04:36] no use either [04:36] we have to change a few things, but its not that much work [04:36] np [04:36] and apart from the faq guide you have until next release to get things sorted [04:37] the quickguide doesn't matter, its only small and not finished yet anyway [04:37] ok so anything else [04:37] the rest of the agenda aren't worth discussing anymore [04:38] until we get this figured out, the rest of the agenda is pointless [04:38] 'kay. Who will summarise this and sent to u-d? [04:38] i'm sorry i'm just not up to it atm [04:38] sorry guys [04:38] I can if you want [04:38] do it [04:38] rob^: Would you mind? I'd prefer it was someone who's been involved with the doc team longer than I have been. =) [04:39] ok [04:39] boy this day really sucks... [04:39] jsgotangco, don't worry [04:39] get some green tea [04:40] alright then [04:40] thanks guys [04:40] yeah, my wife says chocolate helps too [04:40] let's just meet again in 2 weeks [04:40] rob^: i'm a diabetic === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [04:41] jsgotangco, well. yeah, I guess not :) [04:41] sorry if i can't be of any use right now === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-171.info.com.ph] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [04:42] wow he took that bad [04:43] considering mdke and myself are doing the work [04:43] :( [04:43] anyway.. [04:45] so are we done here then? [04:48] yep [04:49] looks like it === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Bye"] === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-201-134.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["gone] === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:15] is the meeting over? :P [05:15] yeah [05:15] it was kind of a non event [05:16] we are shipping xml now.. [05:16] nice. is there any list of what needs to be translated? [05:16] it will pretty much only be the FAQ Guide [05:17] we are getting the .xml up to scratch right now === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-149-216.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:17] yeah no good mdke [05:18] err === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [05:21] are you guys uploading ubuntu-doc to breezy branch? [05:22] yeah, I think jbailey is doing it [05:22] Yup [05:23] I'll probably get SVN access today, in which case I'll do a breezy branch for the packaging, and start helping with the cleanup of the trunk. [05:24] should i wait your upload to start translating? or i can get the sources from other place? === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:24] segfault, please wait until we upload to rosetta and announce on the translators lists [05:25] no problem. [05:26] :) [05:26] shouldn't be long now === \sh [n=sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jdub [n=jdub@218.214.67.227] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@dyn228-075.dsl.ligado.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === jeang [n=jeang@c6-dbn-237.absamail.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jeang [n=jeang@c6-dbn-237.absamail.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas` [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F777.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nkour [n=nkour@ppp48-adsl-231.ath.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] <\sh> hi nkour [09:03] hi guys, what's up? [09:03] <\sh> nkour: mark == sabdfl [09:04] \sh said you were curious about rosetta? [09:04] sabdfl, hi man. congratulations on the trip to universe and on the successful management of Canonical [09:04] we're all on a trip through the universe ;-) [09:04] which supports Ubuntu [09:05] sabdfl, yes but you are lucky to have seen the opposite. [09:05] of what we see [09:05] and the support of Ubuntu is more a labour of fun than profit! hopefully we'll make it sustain itself someday [09:05] <\sh> ok...i have to do some uploads ... I think you can do without me :) thx sabdfl for your time :) [09:06] ok, thanks \sh [09:06] sabdfl, we are just curious why LP is not free [09:06] nkour, slomo: do you have specific questions i can help with? [09:06] ok [09:06] LP has some commercial services - for companies that want to make derivatives of ubuntu [09:06] sabdfl: i'm just here for listening :) [09:06] sorry to take your time for that it was not intented but \sh doesn't know :) [09:06] we haven't announced those because they are not ready [09:07] but essentially its one of the ways we will compete with sourceforge, redhat, progeny [09:07] ok but you also work/test closely with Ubuntu [09:07] yes, ubuntu gets to use it all for free [09:07] and you grab POT/po for example .. [09:07] for Rosetta [09:07] yes [09:08] I'm not a laywer but what does GPL say? [09:08] on that* === hawke [n=hawke@208.255.6.238] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:08] I mean aren't po GPL work? [09:08] GPL talks about redistribution [09:09] so, if you take a GPL work, change it, and *share* it, you need to share the changes too [09:09] in the case of LP, the code has never been released [09:09] yes I'm aware [09:09] well [09:09] bits have been released, under the GPL [09:09] yes I"m aware of that too [09:09] I think it's very wise that all is GPL asap though.. I do not understand why it has to be ready to do so [09:10] nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux [09:10] I always thought the power of FLOSS is that community can fix bugs, atm we have to ask a closed-circle of devs [09:10] sabdfl, so that disallows you to release the others part as GPL? [09:10] no, we could certainly release parts of it [09:11] but they would not compile and run [09:11] and that's no fun [09:11] we've said it will be released if canonical fails [09:11] and over time, as we can componentise it, we will release the components that have no competitive advantage [09:11] i would love to release the regitry TODAY [09:11] but it's deeply integrated, it would not be possible without lots of work [09:12] to extract the registry from the rest of it [09:12] sabdfl, yes at least you could put a timeplan of when you will consider LP ready for GPL? [09:12] it will take years [09:12] and as we gpl some parts, we will develop new pieces [09:12] sabdfl, or else it sounds as an excuse to many ears [and you're clever I do not have to say that] [09:13] well - we publish all of the data in launchpad [09:13] translations come out as po files every day [09:13] so nobody is dependent on it to get their data out [09:13] yes apparently you also test on Ubuntu so that makes integration with your ubuntu and non-free LP not very logical [09:14] test on ubuntu? === dkirov [n=dkirov@cable-84-43-159-140.mnet.bg] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:14] well I hear that you plan to integrate a python module about auto adding LP support to a gtk app for example [09:14] s/I hear/I saw/ [09:14] you not you personally [09:14] yes, LP has api's and if we release code to talk to those API's it will be free code [09:15] but that can be considered cool etc.. anyways at least page should say: "LP will not be GPL until years to come?" [09:15] but - bits of it are already gpl [09:15] we have released tons of code, and will continue to do so [09:15] sabdfl, what stops you make it all GPL? [09:16] dkirov: competition with progeny, redhat, novell [09:16] nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux [09:16] dkirov, * [09:16] competition in what way. Who will make more code on non GPL? I cannot get it [09:17] it's like altavista, or google. they use free software, they release a lot of code, but they keep their core competitive advantage closed until it makes sense to them to release it [09:17] dkirov: there are lots of companies making custom distros [09:17] there are free tools to do so [09:17] we will offer a web based service to automate a lot of it [09:17] sabfl, with google it is different, because they don;t release this code [09:17] and charge for that service [09:17] they use free software for their needs, which is one of the freedoms [09:17] dkirov: they release some code, but not the code that they believe gives them a competitive advantage [09:17] same with lp [09:18] we release some code [09:18] but not the pieces that we consider to give us a competitive advantage [09:18] i hope that this will allow us to get ubuntu to be sustainable, so it doesn't need ongoing interest from me - i can go back to space [09:18] which is not GPL. I cannot understand how can you release code, which you plan to GPL and not make it GPL from the beginning [09:18] and leave mdz & team to make ubuntu better, funding themselves [09:19] dkirov: we have not released LP [09:19] if you own code, you can release pieces of it [09:19] so it means that there is no LP ? [09:20] dkirov: ? [09:20] launchpad.net [09:20] def process(self, bug): [09:20] # we are not creating, but we need to find the bug from the bug num [09:20] return getUtility(IBugSet).get(bug) [09:20] assert IBugLinkTarget.providedBy(self.context) [09:20] return self.context.linkBug(content) [09:20] oops [09:20] sorry, is LP only web based. Someone told me that it comes on ubunto [09:20] i just released some code ;-) [09:20] yes, LP is web based [09:21] we have never released code under a non-free licence [09:21] so, it is independent of the distro? [09:21] yes [09:21] it's not on the cd [09:21] it's on our servers [09:21] there is a library in ubuntu that lets the ubuntu apps connect to launchpad, and that library is of course free too [09:22] sabdfl, ok [09:22] no worries. we will never introduce non-free apps to ubuntu [09:22] sabdfl, ok [09:22] sabdfl, do you plan to go back to space? [09:22] i just turned down a request from a company that wants its app in main, and is non-free [09:22] i told them multiverse [09:22] nkour: yes, in time. if we make a success of ubuntu [09:23] would you like to come along? [09:23] sabdfl, well. who wouldn't? and I do not feel special so I take that as a nice gesture :) [09:23] sabdfl, what I never understood is this: you were born in a rich family? [09:24] and if yes, how come you got involved with GNU/Linux and not golf? :) [09:24] sabdfl, anyways I even read the fight about you or not you being the first african in space :) [09:25] sabdfl, keep it up man and I hope all goes well. thanks for your time [09:25] thanks guys [09:25] nkour: no, i was born into a middle class family [09:25] i was very lucky during the 1990's, at the start of the .com boom [09:25] i learned about SSL and PKI and crypto, and built a business called Thawte, from the garage [09:26] very lucky [09:26] oh yes that Thawte rings a bell :) === Mez [n=Mez@cpc4-lich4-3-0-cust247.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:26] stay well [09:26] back to my code now [09:26] sabdfl, enjoy [09:26] hey Mez [09:26] see you at UBZ! [09:27] evening mark, nice interview in PC Format ... I just read [09:27] sabdfl - was the see you at UBZ to me? or someone else? [09:27] heh [09:27] Mez: you, dude [09:27] woah... [09:28] <\sh> sabdfl: thx for your time... [09:28] I've been away all week... didn't know I'd been sponsored [09:28] <\sh> Mez: you don't read mail? :) [09:28] I havent had net access for 2 weeks [09:28] I'm just downloading my mail now === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [09:32] downliading mesage 269 of 2226 [09:32] <\sh> Mez: wow [09:33] yeah [09:33] been away since last tuesday and look what happens [09:33] hmm.. [09:33] poop... [09:33] I dont have a laptop === nkour [n=nkour@ppp48-adsl-231.ath.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [09:36] when/where were sponsorship things talked about [09:36] in public? [09:36] cause I wanna read logs [09:38] <\sh> Mez: in private [09:38] <\sh> Mez: but I just got a adrenalin kick this morning ;) [09:39] \sh: you're going too? [09:39] well I need to wait for this email [09:39] lol [09:39] and find out what I need [09:39] <\sh> Mez: Yes ;) my flights are booked already :) [09:39] lol [09:39] <\sh> edward is fast..and claire is very helpfull I must say [09:39] hmm... if I'm being sponsored does that mean I have to pay then get reimbursed or something? [09:40] *shrugs* [09:40] I'll wait for the email [09:40] <\sh> Mez: you can adjust the flight dates..and you have to pay the days before or after... [09:40] ?? [09:40] I have to pay what ? [09:40] <\sh> Mez: ok..arrival is 29...(officially) [09:40] <\sh> so if you want to come on the 26 [09:41] <\sh> you have to pay 3 nights in some hotel [09:41] <\sh> (which is very expensive in the holliday inn ;))) [09:41] ah, wouldnt be able to afford that :P [09:41] <\sh> but from the 29 to the pointed out date...it's sponsored [09:41] <\sh> I'm leaving on the 6th [09:42] what exactly is actually paid for by canonical ( or more to the point, what do I need to pay for) === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F777.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["when] [09:42] <\sh> flight, hotel, and breakfast? i don't know...the evening amusement with your motu dudes you have to pay...or I ,-) [09:43] <\sh> flight and hotel yes..breakfast is standard for the hotel...so ask claire ,-) [09:43] *shrugs* [09:43] I'll wait for the email [09:43] (wish this net was faster) [09:43] <\sh> Mez: but I will work some more nightshifts this month..so I can pay all the beer which I promised to mdz/elmo/daniels/etc.pp. === Mez has only promised kamion a beer :D [09:44] s/kamion/keybuk [09:44] <\sh> Mez: ;) [09:45] but, I wont be able to buy beer there anyways [09:46] <\sh> Mez: we will find a solution === Mez is a lil too young === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-010-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-010-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Seveas] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 12 Sep 19:00 UTC: Loco Teams Meeting | 13 Sep 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 22 Sep 12:00 UTC: MOTU === ogra [n=ogra@p5089FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === hawke [n=hawke@208.255.6.238] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"]