[04:10] <jbailey> w/in 32
[03:33] <jbailey> foo
[03:35] <ogra> bar ?
[03:35] <ajmitch> ogra: don't forget baz
[03:35] <jbailey> Sounds like a great idea
[03:35] <ogra> heh
[03:35] <ajmitch> Fri Sep  9 13:35:41 UTC 2005
[03:35] <ajmitch> oops
[03:35] <ajmitch> :)
[03:35] <jbailey> The problem is that my irssi seems to have opened a query window to the channel separate from my channel window.
[03:35] <ajmitch> how odd
[03:35] <jbailey> But soon I will be rid of this thing again.
[03:36] <ajmitch> so meeting is in ~25min
[03:36] <jbailey> It looks like xmove might have what I want. =)
[03:54] <jsgotangco> i think i had too much alcohol
[03:55] <rob^> hmm beer
[03:55] <jjesse> mmmm beer
[03:56] <rob^> knocked a few back myself earlier
[03:56] <jbailey> I haven't.  But it's 10am, and now's probably not the right time to start.
[03:57] <jbailey> Yeah, still probably better not to. ;)
[03:58] <ajmitch> sounds tasty though
[03:59] <rob^> dunno, when I was younger we had a early morning (read 11am) drink as a "hangover cure"
[03:59] <jsgotangco> alrigntt
[03:59] <jjesse> jbailey:  mix crown royal and mrs. butterworth
[03:59] <rob^> shall we get this show on the road?
[03:59] <jsgotangco> are we starting or are we being overruled atm
[03:59] <jbailey> overruled how?
[03:59] <rob^> by what?
[04:00] <jbailey> Or do you mean by the drinking discussion?.
[04:00] <rob^> haha
[04:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:00] <jsgotangco> alright
[04:00] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda
[04:00] <jsgotangco> we have 6 points to discuss
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:00] <jsgotangco> make that 5
[04:00] <rob^> should be fun :)
[04:00] <rob^> ?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> who's here
[04:00] <rob^> which one are we killing?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> just 3?
[04:01] <jbailey> mdke: *poke*
[04:02] <sabdfl> hi all
[04:02] <ajmitch> hi
[04:02] <jsgotangco> hi sabdfl
[04:02] <mdke> mattheweast
[04:02] <rob^> hi sabdfl 
[04:02] <jsgotangco> alright seems like a good presence
[04:02] <rob^> fire away jsgotangco 
[04:02] <jbailey> Is someone going to post a summary to -devel after?
[04:02] <jsgotangco> 1. Packaging/Format changes
[04:03] <rob^> jbailey, might be a good idea
[04:03] <jsgotangco> jbailey: fire away
[04:03] <jbailey> Lovely.  It seems that we discovered this morning that the HTML format isn't suitable for the translators.
[04:03] <jbailey> Luckily for us, the source format, docbook, is.
[04:04] <jbailey> So the upshot is that we need to go back to that style and tie that into yelp instead.
[04:04] <jsgotangco> (it always has been)
[04:04] <jbailey> Err.
[04:04] <jbailey> Medical emergency?
[04:04] <rob^> well I have observed that qanda tags that the faq guide uses now work properly in yelp
[04:04] <rob^> with out crashing etc either
[04:04] <jbailey> Cool.
[04:04] <jsgotangco> rob^: breezy yelp?
[04:04] <rob^> mdke is now removing the kde profile
[04:05] <mdke> i'm done
[04:05] <mdke> *pants*
[04:05] <jbailey> So, since I'm the uploader I'll work with mdke and get that in as soon as the lockdown is finished.
[04:05] <rob^> jsgotangco, The FAQ Guide, which is breezy help
[04:05] <mdke> jbailey, i know nothing about packaging sadly
[04:05] <jsgotangco> rob^: i mean did you test it in yelp in breezy
[04:05] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes
[04:05] <jbailey> mdke: Ah, didn't you do the packaging that I worked from?
[04:05] <mdke> jbailey, nope sorry
[04:05] <rob^> jsgotangco, I'm looking at it now
[04:05] <jbailey> My mistake, I'll look it up.
[04:05] <jbailey> Packaging is something I do in my sleep, so no big deal.
[04:06] <jsgotangco> ok so we're going back to docbook...
[04:06] <mdke> jbailey, but anyone in #ubuntu-docs can help with things
[04:06] <jbailey> My biggest concern at this point is divergeance between the package and the svn tree, since I still don't have write access.
[04:06] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i'll give you my account
[04:06] <mdke> jbailey, perhaps elmo can be poked?
[04:06] <rob^> mdke, good luck :)
[04:06] <jbailey> jsgotangco: I really phear that ide.
[04:06] <jbailey> +a
[04:06] <jsgotangco> no need to poke i'll just give him my account
[04:06] <jbailey> It's just *so* the wrong answer.
[04:07] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:07] <jsgotangco> the svn tree is sooo unfriendly in packaging
[04:07] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Are you going to be on again tonight?  I'll try to ask elmo directly online today.
[04:07] <jsgotangco> its a pain
[04:07] <rob^> mdke, have you commited?
[04:07] <jbailey> tonight, meaning your tomorrow morning. =)
[04:07] <mdke> rob^, yeah
[04:07] <rob^> k checking now
[04:08] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i'll be out early for SFD
[04:08] <jsgotangco> if i get wifi
[04:08] <jbailey> dict SFD?
[04:08] <rob^> jsgotangco, same, 8am start
[04:08] <jsgotangco> ok wait a bit
[04:08] <jsgotangco> we're going too far
[04:08] <rob^> ah crap, the Makefile just segfaulted
[04:08] <Mithrandir> jbailey: software freedom day.
[04:08] <jsgotangco> so what's the thing with Packaging/Format changes
[04:08] <jsgotangco> revert to XML again?
[04:09] <rob^> err
[04:09] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Well, this is realted in that I want to commit the packaging bits to SVN as we go.
[04:09] <jbailey> But yes, revert to XML again.
[04:09] <jbailey> Upload when lockdown is removed.
[04:09] <sabdfl> a couple of questions
[04:09] <jsgotangco> oh well
[04:09] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: shoot
[04:09] <mdke> sabdfl, on the about-ubuntu doc, see my post in -devel
[04:10] <jsgotangco> good thing im kinda drunk
[04:10] <mdke> lol
[04:10] <sabdfl> so, with xml, do we get the crappy CSS that yelp supports?
[04:11] <sabdfl> because the docs could look a lot better, and yelp is no help
[04:11] <jsgotangco> yelp has its own stylesheets yes 
[04:11] <rob^> hmm mdke looks like your sed regex didn't work as you expected
[04:11] <rob^> its left heaps of crud in the files
[04:11] <sabdfl> second. i can't remember. so about the formatting, can we do no better than yelp currently?
[04:11] <mdke> rob^, no way, i just used gedit's replace
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i've been playing around with yelp lately
[04:12] <rob^> mdke, its got "<<<<<<< .mine" all through it
[04:12] <jsgotangco> the stylesheets alone are so slow....
[04:12] <rob^> and other crud
[04:12] <jsgotangco> zz
[04:12] <mdke> rob^, can you give me an example?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i've seen docs in breezy yelp that render more than  5 secs.
[04:12] <jbailey> rob^: Local merge issues?  Try rm'ing the file and svn up'ing?
[04:13] <jeffsch> if we use xml in yelp, then we use yelp's css
[04:13] <rob^> ok
[04:13] <mdke> yeah i think jbailey is right
[04:13] <jeffsch> the only way around that is html
[04:13] <mdke> and html breaks translations
[04:13] <jsgotangco> like i said in my emails ealier, yelp today is slower than ever
[04:13] <jeffsch> mdke: how?
[04:13] <rob^> jsgotangco, not for me it isn't
[04:13] <jeffsch> the po files are created from the xml
[04:13] <mdke> jeffsch, because they can't get yelp to display the default locale html file 
[04:13] <mdke> only the english one
[04:14] <mdke> seb128 can explain better
[04:14] <jsgotangco> rob^: strange i have 1gb of ram
[04:14] <rob^> I have 512 and several things including ff open
[04:14] <mdke> jeffsch, yeah it's not the po files, but the final html files that are the problem
[04:15] <jbailey> mdke, seb128: Is there the possibility of hacking it for breezy+1 to support .LANG.html like apache does for auto selection, or do you think it would be too hard?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> i don't really mind yelp it's what we have....html is a workaround, but has navigation issues....
[04:15] <mdke> jbailey, over my head I'm afraid
[04:15] <jeffsch> so in addition to being a rotten help viewer, yelp is also a rotten html viewer
[04:16] <seb128> mdke: the issue is not to display the file. But yelp work with/index xml files
[04:16] <jsgotangco> when yelp renders html it takes over the whole screen
[04:16] <jsgotangco> and with a doc like the faqguide, you'll need to maximize the screen...
[04:17] <jsgotangco> i've tested it 3 days ago...
[04:17] <jsgotangco> that's why my concern was the css
[04:17] <mdke> anyway the docs should be ok to ship with xml
[04:17] <jsgotangco> i really hated the result
[04:17] <mdke> for the firefox homepage we'll need html though
[04:17] <jsgotangco> that's not a problem
[04:17] <jsgotangco> we just dump everyting in /usr/share/doc
[04:17] <jbailey> mdke: Does the doc-team maintain that?  It's from the ubuntu-artwork package.
[04:18] <jsgotangco> the omf file should do the trick for yelp
[04:18] <mdke> jbailey, yes, firefox needs to be changed to point to the ubuntu-docs version
[04:18] <jsgotangco> (editing the main yelp frontpage is another story)
[04:18] <mdke> jbailey, bug is open
[04:18] <jbailey> mdke: 'k.  /me TODOs that.
[04:18] <jsgotangco> k are we done with this topic?
[04:18] <mdke> i think so
[04:18] <jsgotangco> we go back to xml
[04:19] <mdke> best thing is if jbailey works with seb128 to make sure it will work
[04:19] <mdke> because i don't understand anything here
[04:19] <jsgotangco> ok FAQ Guide Profile changes
[04:19] <rob^> ok
[04:19] <jsgotangco> seems it is being done atm
[04:19] <rob^> mdke and myself have started it
[04:19] <mdke> yes
[04:20] <mdke> it's done except for fixing a weird validation problem that we can't figure out
[04:20] <rob^> we are removing the kde profile from the faq guide, this can be done as a different doc later
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ngghh
[04:20] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Can we recap the TODOs from that?  Package upload with XML, change Firefox/Ephy to use ubuntu-docs start page.  Was there anything else as an action action item?
[04:20] <rob^> there is also the issue with the archs
[04:20] <mdke> jbailey, the aboutubuntu doc needs to be there as html too, for firefox
[04:20] <jsgotangco> jbailey: that's it atm...the CSS for aboutubuntu can be done
[04:21] <jbailey> 'k thanks.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i've been playing around the CSS
[04:21] <rob^> there is no difference between the i386, amd64 and ppc archs for the FAQ Guide
[04:21] <rob^> this could all be the same package
[04:22] <rob^> but in future there may most likely be differences
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ok go on i'm getting something to drink
[04:22] <rob^> however none of this was profiled
[04:22] <rob^> so which way do we go?
[04:22] <mdke> jbailey, the other thing was, i noticed that the address for the docs was a bit odd, it has both /en/ and /C/ in it, is that intentional?
[04:23] <jbailey> mdke: I took it from the package build.
[04:23] <mdke> hmm
[04:23] <jbailey> mdke: I'll ask in the other channel, I don't think that needs meeting time.
[04:23] <mdke> again seb128 can probably tell you which is right
[04:24] <jeffsch> C is the locale that C language programs default to
[04:24] <jeffsch> we really should be using en instead
[04:24] <jsgotangco> C the programmiongg lnguage?
[04:24] <mdke> having both means its difficult to figure out where to put the translations
[04:24] <jsgotangco> shie
[04:25] <jsgotangco> no it shouldnt be
[04:25] <jsgotangco> look at  hoary
[04:25] <jbailey> The C locale is just the default on a Posix system.  It's traditionally english and uses the ASCII character set.
[04:25] <jsgotangco> its all in one folder
[04:25] <jsgotangco> C, tl, xh, et...
[04:25] <jsgotangco> excedpt that every omf points to a different folder
[04:25] <jeffsch> we're stuck with C for now, switching to en is a big job and should be left for after breezy release
[04:26] <jsgotangco> although en is what docbook/xslt recognizes
[04:26] <jsgotangco> so to recap FAQ Guide is being de-profiled
[04:26] <mdke> jeffsch, my point is that the docs are in /usr/share/docs/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/about-ubuntu/C/ now, are both en and C needed? if so, where do the translations go?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> i'm loving every minute
[04:27] <rob^> jsgotangco, yep, to use xml we have to
[04:27] <jsgotangco> bloody hell its like june all over again
[04:27] <jsgotangco> i guess there's no string freeze atm
[04:28] <rob^> its a shame jdub and others are not here to explain it better
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i'm not bitter about it...it should really have been xml in the first placee...but its already september can't blame anyone right now
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, well the strings can still be frozen, the packaging can be sorted out
[04:29] <mdke> i want to get the files to translation ASAP
[04:29] <rob^> argg who wrote that vaildation script anyway?
[04:29] <mdke> no idea
[04:29] <jsgotangco> sure...im just too tired atm..i've been fixing those docs for weeks...
[04:29] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Right.  Through Breezy+1 I want to do weekly uploads of the doc-team package, so that these things get caught earlier.
[04:29] <rob^> the output from it sucks!
[04:30] <rob^> it explains nothing
[04:30] <mdke> jbailey, that would be great
[04:30] <jsgotangco> whoever is going to UBZ, please plan this in a BOF
[04:30] <jsgotangco> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
[04:30] <mdke> no one :(
[04:30] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Which this?
[04:30] <jbailey> Just so I can get it right, since I'll be there.
[04:30] <jsgotangco> the whole doc process
[04:30] <rob^> yes, now one is going :(
[04:30] <jbailey> (Too many threads to follow at once here)
[04:30] <rob^> err no one that is
[04:31] <jsgotangco> i've been working on docs since the start and its really frustrating to come up to like this in the end
[04:32] <jsgotangco> i just felt the smackdown
[04:32] <jsgotangco> i'll just work on my edubuntu stuff till then
[04:32] <rob^> there was an hour long discussion in #u-d about it with seb128, jdub etc
[04:33] <jbailey> jsgotangco: =(  That's part of why I want to integrate everything from teh beginning of the release as opposed to the last moment of preview freeze.
[04:33] <jbailey> jsgotangco: We'll catch so many things way earlier then.
[04:33] <mdke> anyway, we can sort it out
[04:33] <rob^> yeah
[04:33] <jsgotangco> jbailey: growing pains indeed
[04:34] <mdke> what still needs to be sorted out?
[04:34] <jsgotangco> anyways, the rest in the agenda has no use for now
[04:34] <Deepy> damn, why can i never find the help when i need it :P
[04:34] <Deepy> #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)
[04:34] <jbailey> jsgotangco: I can also serve a bit as a coding bitch for docteam related things.
[04:34] <jsgotangco> thanks
[04:35] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, your right
[04:35] <jsgotangco> i'll probably just stay in the sides for now and just do the other stuff...
[04:35] <rob^> jsgotangco, don't get bitter about it
[04:36] <jsgotangco> rob^: can't do anything about it now
[04:36] <jsgotangco> no use either
[04:36] <rob^> we have to change a few things, but its not that much work
[04:36] <jsgotangco> np
[04:36] <rob^> and apart from the faq guide you have until next release to get things sorted
[04:37] <rob^> the quickguide doesn't matter, its only small and not finished yet anyway
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ok so anything else
[04:37] <jsgotangco> the rest of the agenda aren't worth discussing anymore
[04:38] <rob^> until we get this figured out, the rest of the agenda is pointless
[04:38] <jbailey> 'kay.  Who will summarise this and sent to u-d?
[04:38] <jsgotangco> i'm sorry i'm just not up to it atm
[04:38] <jsgotangco> sorry guys
[04:38] <rob^> I can if you want
[04:38] <jsgotangco> do it
[04:38] <jbailey> rob^: Would you mind?  I'd prefer it was someone who's been involved with the doc team longer than I have been. =)
[04:39] <rob^> ok
[04:39] <jsgotangco> boy this day really sucks...
[04:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, don't worry
[04:39] <mdke> get some green tea
[04:40] <jsgotangco> alright then
[04:40] <jsgotangco> thanks guys
[04:40] <rob^> yeah, my wife says chocolate helps too
[04:40] <jsgotangco> let's just meet again in 2 weeks
[04:40] <jsgotangco> rob^: i'm a diabetic
[04:41] <rob^> jsgotangco, well. yeah, I guess not :)
[04:41] <jsgotangco> sorry if i can't be of any use right now 
[04:42] <rob^> wow he took that bad
[04:43] <rob^> considering mdke and myself are doing the work
[04:43] <mdke> :(
[04:43] <rob^> anyway..
[04:45] <jeffsch> so are we done here then?
[04:48] <rob^> yep
[04:49] <mdke> looks like it
[05:15] <segfault> is the meeting over? :P
[05:15] <rob^> yeah
[05:15] <rob^> it was kind of a non event
[05:16] <rob^> we are shipping xml now..
[05:16] <segfault> nice. is there any list of what needs to be translated?
[05:16] <rob^> it will pretty much only be the FAQ Guide
[05:17] <rob^> we are getting the .xml up to scratch right now
[05:17] <rob^> yeah no good mdke 
[05:18] <rob^> err
[05:21] <segfault> are you guys uploading ubuntu-doc to breezy branch?
[05:22] <rob^> yeah, I think jbailey is doing it
[05:22] <jbailey> Yup
[05:23] <jbailey> I'll probably get SVN access today, in which case I'll do a breezy branch for the packaging, and start helping with the cleanup of the trunk.
[05:24] <segfault> should i wait your upload to start translating? or i can get the sources from other place?
[05:24] <mdke> segfault, please wait until we upload to rosetta and announce on the translators lists
[05:25] <segfault> no problem.
[05:26] <mdke> :)
[05:26] <mdke> shouldn't be long now
[09:02] <\sh> hi nkour 
[09:03] <sabdfl> hi guys, what's up?
[09:03] <\sh> nkour: mark == sabdfl 
[09:04] <sabdfl> \sh said you were curious about rosetta?
[09:04] <nkour> sabdfl, hi man. congratulations on the trip to universe and on the successful management of Canonical
[09:04] <sabdfl> we're all on a trip through the universe ;-)
[09:04] <nkour> which supports Ubuntu
[09:05] <nkour> sabdfl, yes but you are lucky to have seen the opposite. 
[09:05] <nkour> of what we see
[09:05] <sabdfl> and the support of Ubuntu is more a labour of fun than profit! hopefully we'll make it sustain itself someday
[09:05] <\sh> ok...i have to do some uploads ... I think you can do without me :) thx sabdfl for your time :)
[09:06] <sabdfl> ok, thanks \sh
[09:06] <nkour> sabdfl, we are just curious why LP is not free
[09:06] <sabdfl> nkour, slomo: do you have specific questions i can help with?
[09:06] <sabdfl> ok
[09:06] <sabdfl> LP has some commercial services - for companies that want to make derivatives of ubuntu
[09:06] <slomo> sabdfl: i'm just here for listening :)
[09:06] <nkour> sorry to take your time for that it was not intented but \sh doesn't know :)
[09:06] <sabdfl> we haven't announced those because they are not ready
[09:07] <sabdfl> but essentially its one of the ways we will compete with sourceforge, redhat, progeny
[09:07] <nkour> ok but you also work/test  closely with Ubuntu
[09:07] <sabdfl> yes, ubuntu gets to use it all for free
[09:07] <nkour> and you grab POT/po for example ..
[09:07] <nkour> for Rosetta
[09:07] <sabdfl> yes
[09:08] <nkour> I'm not a laywer but what does GPL say?
[09:08] <nkour> on that*
[09:08] <nkour> I mean aren't po GPL work?
[09:08] <sabdfl> GPL talks about redistribution
[09:09] <sabdfl> so, if you take a GPL work, change it, and *share* it, you need to share the changes too
[09:09] <sabdfl> in the case of LP, the code has never been released
[09:09] <nkour> yes I'm aware
[09:09] <sabdfl> well
[09:09] <sabdfl> bits have been released, under the GPL
[09:09] <nkour> yes I"m aware of that too
[09:09] <nkour> I think it's very wise that all is GPL asap though.. I do not understand why it has to be ready to do so
[09:10] <sabdfl> nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux
[09:10] <nkour> I always thought the power of FLOSS is that community can fix bugs, atm we have to ask a closed-circle of devs
[09:10] <nkour> sabdfl, so that disallows you to release the others part as GPL?
[09:10] <sabdfl> no, we could certainly release parts of it
[09:11] <sabdfl> but they would not compile and run
[09:11] <sabdfl> and that's no fun
[09:11] <sabdfl> we've said it will be released if canonical fails
[09:11] <sabdfl> and over time, as we can componentise it, we will release the components that have no competitive advantage
[09:11] <sabdfl> i would love to release the regitry TODAY
[09:11] <sabdfl> but it's deeply integrated, it would not be possible without lots of work
[09:12] <sabdfl> to extract the registry from the rest of it
[09:12] <nkour> sabdfl, yes at least you could put a timeplan of when you will consider LP ready for GPL?
[09:12] <sabdfl> it will take years
[09:12] <sabdfl> and as we gpl some parts, we will develop new pieces
[09:12] <nkour> sabdfl, or else it sounds as an excuse to many ears [and you're clever I do not have to say that] 
[09:13] <sabdfl> well - we publish all of the data in launchpad
[09:13] <sabdfl> translations come out as po files every day
[09:13] <sabdfl> so nobody is dependent on it to get their data out
[09:13] <nkour> yes apparently you also test on Ubuntu so that makes integration with your ubuntu and non-free LP not very logical
[09:14] <sabdfl> test on ubuntu?
[09:14] <nkour> well I hear that you plan to integrate a python module about auto adding LP support to a gtk app for example
[09:14] <nkour> s/I hear/I saw/
[09:14] <nkour> you not you personally
[09:14] <sabdfl> yes, LP has api's and if we release code to talk to those API's it will be free code
[09:15] <nkour> but that can be considered cool etc.. anyways at least page should say: "LP will not be GPL until years to come?"
[09:15] <sabdfl> but - bits of it are already gpl
[09:15] <sabdfl> we have released tons of code, and will continue to do so
[09:15] <dkirov> sabdfl, what stops you make it all GPL?
[09:16] <sabdfl> dkirov: competition with progeny, redhat, novell
 nkour: some parts of LP will be commercial services, for companies that produce their own versions of Linux
[09:16] <nkour> dkirov, *
[09:16] <dkirov> competition in what way. Who will make more code on non GPL? I cannot get it
[09:17] <sabdfl> it's like altavista, or google. they use free software, they release a lot of code, but they keep their core competitive advantage closed until it makes sense to them to release it
[09:17] <sabdfl> dkirov: there are lots of companies making custom distros
[09:17] <sabdfl> there are free tools to do so
[09:17] <sabdfl> we will offer a web based service to automate a lot of it
[09:17] <dkirov> sabfl, with google it is different, because they don;t release this code
[09:17] <sabdfl> and charge for that service
[09:17] <dkirov> they use free software for their needs, which is one of the freedoms
[09:17] <sabdfl> dkirov: they release some code, but not the code that they believe gives them a competitive advantage
[09:17] <sabdfl> same with lp
[09:18] <sabdfl> we release some code
[09:18] <sabdfl> but not the pieces that we consider to give us a competitive advantage
[09:18] <sabdfl> i hope that this will allow us to get ubuntu to be sustainable, so it doesn't need ongoing interest from me - i can go back to space
[09:18] <dkirov> which is not GPL. I cannot understand how can you release code, which you plan to GPL and not make it GPL from the beginning
[09:18] <sabdfl> and leave mdz & team to make ubuntu better, funding themselves
[09:19] <sabdfl> dkirov: we have not released LP
[09:19] <sabdfl> if you own code, you can release pieces of it
[09:19] <dkirov> so it means that there is no LP ?
[09:20] <sabdfl> dkirov: ?
[09:20] <sabdfl> launchpad.net
[09:20] <sabdfl>     def process(self, bug):
[09:20] <sabdfl>         # we are not creating, but we need to find the bug from the bug num
[09:20] <sabdfl>         return getUtility(IBugSet).get(bug)
[09:20] <sabdfl>         assert IBugLinkTarget.providedBy(self.context)
[09:20] <sabdfl>         return self.context.linkBug(content)
[09:20] <sabdfl> oops
[09:20] <dkirov> sorry, is LP only web based. Someone told me that it comes on ubunto
[09:20] <sabdfl> i just released some code ;-)
[09:20] <sabdfl> yes, LP is web based
[09:21] <sabdfl> we have never released code under a non-free licence
[09:21] <dkirov> so, it is independent of the distro?
[09:21] <sabdfl> yes
[09:21] <sabdfl> it's not on the cd
[09:21] <sabdfl> it's on our servers
[09:21] <sabdfl> there is a library in ubuntu that lets the ubuntu apps connect to launchpad, and that library is of course free too
[09:22] <dkirov> sabdfl, ok
[09:22] <sabdfl> no worries. we will never introduce non-free apps to ubuntu
[09:22] <nkour> sabdfl, ok
[09:22] <nkour> sabdfl, do you plan to go back to space?
[09:22] <sabdfl> i just turned down a request from a company that wants its app in main, and is non-free
[09:22] <sabdfl> i told them multiverse
[09:22] <sabdfl> nkour: yes, in time. if we make a success of ubuntu
[09:23] <sabdfl> would you like to come along?
[09:23] <nkour> sabdfl, well. who wouldn't? and I do not feel special so I take that as a nice gesture :)
[09:23] <nkour> sabdfl, what I never understood is this: you were born in a rich family?
[09:24] <nkour> and if yes, how come you got involved with GNU/Linux and not golf? :)
[09:24] <nkour> sabdfl, anyways I even read the fight about you or not you being the first african in space :)
[09:25] <nkour> sabdfl, keep it up man and I hope all goes well. thanks for your time
[09:25] <sabdfl> thanks guys
[09:25] <sabdfl> nkour: no, i was born into a middle class family
[09:25] <sabdfl> i was very lucky during the 1990's, at the start of the .com boom
[09:25] <sabdfl> i learned about SSL and PKI and crypto, and built a business called Thawte, from the garage
[09:26] <sabdfl> very lucky
[09:26] <nkour> oh yes that Thawte rings a bell :)
[09:26] <sabdfl> stay well
[09:26] <sabdfl> back to my code now
[09:26] <nkour> sabdfl, enjoy
[09:26] <sabdfl> hey Mez
[09:26] <sabdfl> see you at UBZ!
[09:27] <Mez> evening mark, nice interview in PC Format ... I just read
[09:27] <Mez> sabdfl - was the see you at UBZ to me? or someone else?
[09:27] <ogra> heh
[09:27] <sabdfl> Mez: you, dude
[09:27] <Mez> woah...
[09:28] <\sh> sabdfl: thx for your time...
[09:28] <Mez> I've been away all week... didn't know I'd been sponsored
[09:28] <\sh> Mez: you don't read mail? :)
[09:28] <Mez> I havent had net access for 2 weeks
[09:28] <Mez> I'm just downloading my mail now
[09:32] <Mez> downliading mesage 269 of 2226
[09:32] <\sh> Mez: wow
[09:33] <Mez> yeah
[09:33] <Mez> been away since last tuesday and look what happens
[09:33] <Mez> hmm..
[09:33] <Mez> poop...
[09:33] <Mez> I dont have a laptop
[09:36] <Mez> when/where were sponsorship things talked about
[09:36] <Mez> in public?
[09:36] <Mez> cause I wanna read logs
[09:38] <\sh> Mez: in private
[09:38] <\sh> Mez: but I just got a adrenalin kick this morning ;)
[09:39] <Mez> \sh: you're going too?
[09:39] <Mez> well I need to wait for this email
[09:39] <Mez> lol
[09:39] <Mez> and find out what I need 
[09:39] <\sh> Mez: Yes ;) my flights are booked already :)
[09:39] <Mez> lol
[09:39] <\sh> edward is fast..and claire is very helpfull I must say
[09:39] <Mez> hmm... if I'm being sponsored does that mean I have to pay then get reimbursed or something?
[09:40] <Mez> *shrugs*
[09:40] <Mez> I'll wait for the email
[09:40] <\sh> Mez: you can adjust the flight dates..and you have to pay the days before or after...
[09:40] <Mez> ??
[09:40] <Mez> I have to pay what ?
[09:40] <\sh> Mez: ok..arrival is 29...(officially)
[09:40] <\sh> so if you want to come on the 26
[09:41] <\sh> you have to pay 3 nights in some hotel
[09:41] <\sh> (which is very expensive in the holliday inn ;)))
[09:41] <Mez> ah, wouldnt be able to afford that :P
[09:41] <\sh> but from the 29 to the pointed out date...it's sponsored
[09:41] <\sh> I'm leaving on the 6th
[09:42] <Mez> what exactly is actually paid for by canonical ( or more to the point, what do I need to pay for)
[09:42] <\sh> flight, hotel, and breakfast? i don't know...the evening amusement with your motu dudes you have to pay...or I ,-)
[09:43] <\sh> flight and hotel yes..breakfast is standard for the hotel...so ask claire ,-)
[09:43] <Mez> *shrugs*
[09:43] <Mez> I'll wait for the email
[09:43] <Mez> (wish this net was faster)
[09:43] <\sh> Mez: but I will work some more nightshifts this month..so I can pay all the beer which I promised to mdz/elmo/daniels/etc.pp.
[09:44] <Mez> s/kamion/keybuk
[09:44] <\sh> Mez: ;)
[09:45] <Mez> but, I wont be able to buy beer there anyways
[09:46] <\sh> Mez: we will find a solution