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ivoksLathiat: ping12:06
Lathiativoks: pong12:06
ivoksnm works for you?12:06
ivoksi get errors12:06
ajmitchsuch as?12:06
ivoksSep  8 23:56:20 localhost NetworkManager: <ERROR>^I[1126216580.767853]   (): couldn't initialize nameserver: Failed to execute child process "no" (No such file or directory)12:07
Lathiatnuqneh:~> cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep Net12:07
Lathiat# NetworkManager12:07
Lathiatdeb http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy ./12:07
ivoksah...12:07
Burgundaviaivoks, did you upgrade from the universe to the one from j^?12:07
ivoksuniverse :)12:07
Burgundaviaivoks, as that upgrade will break nameresolution12:07
ivoksdoes it use bind?12:08
ivoksit's hard to type while in bed :)12:08
Lathiatyes12:09
ivoksi see12:10
ivoksLathiat: any luck with colony4?12:11
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Unfrgivenmorning all01:08
ajmitchmorning Unfrgiven01:08
ajmitchhow's life over the ditch?01:08
=== Lathiat discovers dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus / org.freedesktop.DBus.ReloadConfig
Lathiatwhich does the job01:08
Lathiatthat can go into avahi01:08
Lathiatand i need to tell pitti, mvo, daniels about that01:08
Lathiatalso dhcpbdb sucks01:09
ajmitchrock01:09
Lathiatit installs an allow all config for the system dbus01:09
Lathiate.g. anything can own anything01:09
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ajmitchLathiat: so I need to restart avahi-daemon now?01:09
Lathiatajmitch: to do what?01:09
ajmitchto run avahi-discover01:10
Lathiatwhy would you?01:10
ajmitchwell..01:10
ajmitch  File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 379, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block01:10
ajmitchdbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files01:10
Lathiatwell that means your daemon is dead01:10
ajmitchafter running your dbus crack01:10
Lathiatoh01:10
Lathiatit kicked it off the bus?01:10
Lathiatit may ahve crashed01:10
Lathiat0.2 had a bug01:10
Lathiatwhere i fyou have no interfaces up01:10
ajmitchyeah01:10
Lathiatand dhcp on the interface01:11
Lathiatit crashes01:11
ajmitchinterfaces are up01:11
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Lathiatso i just run that01:11
Lathiatit doesnt kill the daemon01:11
ajmitchok, it's all working now01:11
Lathiatso i dunno why yours did01:11
ajmitchthis was on a fresh install01:11
Lathiatoh01:11
Lathiatright01:11
ajmitchlooks like my flatmate is still home01:11
Lathiatso yeh01:11
Lathiatyoud need to start it01:11
Lathiatajmitch: hehe01:11
ajmitchreflector is still working well then01:12
ajmitchsince it sees both wireless & wired01:12
Unfrgivenajmitch: this side of the ditch is good :)01:13
Unfrgivenmy laptop arrived yesterday! its a dell XPS-2 :D01:13
ajmitchgreat01:14
Lathiatspecs?01:14
=== ajmitch does feel very jealous now :)
UnfrgivenPentium M 2.13GHz, 512 MB DDR2 RAM, 256 MB Geforce Go 6800 Ultra, 80 GB hdd01:15
ajmitchyeah01:15
Unfrgivenits the highest end dell model available!01:16
tsengUnfrgiven: oh man01:16
Unfrgiveni was shocked01:16
Unfrgivenand its got a 17 inch screen. 1900x1200 native!01:16
Lathiathaha01:16
Lathiatnice01:16
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Lathiati already got a big laptop so im glad i got something smaller01:17
Unfrgivenwww1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_xps201:17
Lathiatthatd make a killer desktop replacement01:17
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Unfrgivenyeah my current laptop is an inspiron 5150 which has a 3.2Ghz P4... so i was hoping for something smaller, but i definately aint complaining :)01:21
Unfrgiventhe XPS gets higher benchmarks than my p4-3.0Ghz 2GB RAM, 256MB X800 Pro desktop!01:21
ajmitchdude, don't need to rub it in :P01:22
Lathiathaha01:22
Unfrgivensorry, wasnt intentional01:22
=== Lathiat isnt fussed
Unfrgivenanyways, i should get back to work. i'll talk to you guys soon.01:28
bmontyyeah, but how much does the XPS weigh?01:29
Lathiatapproximately "1 metric fuckload" ?01:30
bmontyexactly01:30
hub_can someone enlighten me on the last comment  at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=47201:34
hub_'cause it is a Mono binary01:34
tsengalot of mono packages come with arch-specific glue libs01:35
tsengif you have only dll/exe, its arch any01:35
hub_it is dll/exe01:36
tsengand he tells you you should change Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep in this case01:36
hub_ah ok01:36
hub_makes more sense01:36
hub_sorry01:37
hub_I'll update hugin first01:37
hub_tseng: but arch any make a package i386 when build01:44
hub_tseng: this could run on PowerPC verbatim01:45
tsengwe mean "all" then I guess01:45
tsengi get them mixed up, since they seem to mean the same thing in english01:45
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hub_they don't01:47
hub_any and all is not the same01:47
tsengi know01:47
tseng"i get them mixed up"01:47
hub_ok make sense01:48
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\shgrmpf02:21
Nafallo\sh: morning :-)02:21
\shNafallo: yes..good morning...:(02:21
\shI just came back from office...02:21
\shI think I have to write a book: My Last Tax Adventure02:21
Nafallo:-P02:22
\shat least I know now, that I can download commercial tax software :(02:23
ogra\sh, err... arent you supposed to be on holiday ?02:23
\shogra: I don't have a printer and I had to print out the tax documents02:23
ogragah02:23
\shnever use "ElsterFormular" for Income Tax Stuff it doesn't work02:24
\shI tried 3 hours of getting it to say "Yes, the date 01.01.2004 - 30.04.2004 is a correct date"02:24
ograthere is another project for linux ... approved by the ta office02:25
ogratax even02:25
\shafter these 3 hours I was just p*ssed and downloaded buhl t@x software...02:25
ograits elster compatible02:25
\shyeah..buhl data02:25
\shbut I downloaded the first time (and paid) the wrong software...t@x 2004 means: Income Tax Program for the Year 2003 :(02:25
ograa free project02:26
\shah you mean this webbased stuff?02:26
ogranope... its tcl or something... form a uni02:26
ograi'd have to look it up in a big stack of linux magazines...02:26
\shummm....name it, I use it...I paid this evening 30 euros for 2 bloody programs02:26
ogradunno in which one it was mentioned02:27
\shanyways...I just send my tax stuff to the tax department, printed the stuff via freepdfXP on this portege r200, transfered the pdf files to our company network and printed out there02:27
\shand now it's just 2:30 GMT+2 and I have to go early this morning to Siegburg to deliver my tax documents *argh*02:28
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bddebianHey folks02:36
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\shok...going to bed now...i have to get up early...cu tomorrow02:52
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ajmitchgood to see pitti fixing pgadmin303:16
Nafalloindeed :-)03:18
bddebianajmitch: He is?03:19
ajmitchbddebian: yes, removing frmo unmet deps on wiki now03:19
bddebianajmitch: Nice.  pgaccess too?03:20
ajmitchhaven't seen that on -changes03:20
bddebianDamn I need my upload rights.. :-(03:20
ajmitchbddebian: complain to Nafallo or someone03:21
ajmitchor I can do stuff in ~4 hours03:22
Nafallowhat now? ;-)03:22
ajmitchNafallo: bddebian wants you to upload crap again03:22
bddebianDamn man, you make it sound like that is a bad thing..:'-(03:22
Nafallolol03:22
Nafallobddebian: where is the debdiffs?03:22
bddebianNafallo: MOTUGLUTransitions03:23
bddebianNafallo: If you could look over the one I did for pefs pointless and the one I am about to post for drscheme, I would greatly appreciate too03:23
bddebianajmitch: Were you looking at poker3d?03:28
Nafallobddebian: read pointless, seems you rock! :-)03:28
ajmitchbddebian: no03:28
ajmitchNafallo: I read anyway03:28
bddebianajmitch: OK, I thought I you had said that,sorry03:29
ajmitchno matter whose debdiff :)03:29
bddebianNafallo: ??03:29
Nafalloajmitch: huh? ofcourse. I verify that bddebian rocks! couldn't have done it without reading ;-)03:30
bddebianHmm, actually I think someone (ajmitch?) already finished off gl-117, kmatplot, and lightspeed??03:30
ajmitchbddebian: no, not me03:30
ajmitchyou could check the sig on breezy changes to see03:30
slomobddebian: dholbach03:30
bddebianOhh, rockin'03:30
bddebianHeya slomo03:31
bddebianslomo: Have you ever gotten your upload rights?03:31
slomobddebian: i don't know ;) nobody told me anything so i think the answer is no... i will probably get them together with you :)03:31
bddebianslomo: Well I may never get them.  I annoy elmo about as much as I annoy tseng :-)03:32
Nafallobddebian: you _don't_ rock!03:32
bddebianUh oh03:32
bddebian:-(03:32
bddebianWhat'd I do?03:33
Nafallobddebian: I need a pastebin, hold on ;-)03:33
slomobddebian: i annoy elmo too ;)03:33
Nafallobddebian: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/202403:33
bddebianI wasn't sure if all that config.* crap even needed to be there03:34
bddebianslomo: Did he ever sync your childsplay?03:35
ajmitchyes, childsplay is in03:35
ajmitchouch, that's one messy rejection03:35
bddebianOne reason I prefer just diff over debdiff at times :-)03:35
slomobddebian: childsplay?03:36
ajmitchbddebian: debdiff is what works03:36
bddebianslomo: Isn't that what you wanted elmo to sync or am I on crack again?03:36
ajmitchbddebian: if you break it, then it's a bigger problem03:36
slomobddebian: nope... i want ffmpeg and some other stuff in multiverse and some other binary packages deleted ;)03:37
bddebianajmitch: Break what?03:37
bddebianslomo: Oh sorry.03:37
slomobddebian: np :)03:38
ajmitchbddebian: you break the world03:38
ajmitchand everyone cries03:38
slomoajmitch?03:39
bddebianNah I just break the Universe!! ;-P03:39
bddebianNafallo: Want me to fix that debdiff?03:40
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bddebianHello LaserJock, how's it coming?03:41
LaserJockwell, I have some questions about ghemical03:41
LaserJockI worked through dependecies and such today at work and found that ghemical depends on libghemical03:42
LaserJocknow, libghemical is in Debian unstable along with the version of ghemical that has the unmet dep03:43
LathiatLaserJock: and?03:43
LaserJockso basically, if we took the .debs from Debian unstable I think everything would be fine03:43
bddebianLaserJock: Have you tried to build the Debian unstable version?03:44
Lathiatthe problem is that the current version is failing to build03:44
Lathiat(last version that built is 1.1)03:45
Lathiatwe have 1.5 in source03:45
LaserJockwell, that's the thing. I think that they are missing a dep and really we need to bump the version of ghemical up03:45
Lathiatand its failign to build be of libghemical-dev03:45
LaserJockwe need 1.9 to get gtk203:45
LathiatLaserJock: ooh03:45
LathiatLaserJock: thatd be cool03:45
Lathiat..03:45
Lathiatwhere the hell does libghemical come from03:45
Lathiator is that a package we need to sync03:45
Lathiatthats new03:45
Nafallobddebian: I won't touch it before you tell me you've done that ;-)03:46
bddebianNafallo: Can I just hack out that garbage or did I actually do something wrong?03:46
bddebianNafallo: Can you look at the drscheme one in the mean time?03:46
LathiatLaserJock: only 1.5 is in debian03:46
LaserJockwell, I found that to get ghemical 1.9 (or 1.5) we need libghemical. and to get libghemical we need mopac7 (in Debian unstable), mpqc (in ubuntu), and libopenbabel(also in ubuntu)03:47
Nafallobddebian: no idea :-). I just saw alot of patches failing :-P03:47
Lathiatok i see03:47
LathiatLaserJock: so yes, we wneed to sync libghemical03:48
LaserJockin other words, if we just want ghemical 1.5 we just need to get libghemical from Debian unstable03:48
Lathiatrigt03:48
Lathiatso we just need to ask elmo03:48
Lathiati can do that if you like03:48
LaserJockbut, the libghemical in Debian I think has a fatal flaw because it doesn't use MOPAC7 wich is pretty neccesary for it to be useful03:48
Lathiatoh?03:49
LathiatLaserJock: does it just need a build-dep or what03:49
LaserJockwell, it  is a flag in the compilation that they haven't set03:50
Lathiathow much functionality does this remove?03:50
LaserJocka lot03:50
LaserJockbasically, I wouldn't use it if it didn't have it03:50
Lathiati used to use this program03:50
Lathiatit was rather nifty03:50
LaserJockmopac7 is the molecular mechanics part. mpqc is the quantum mechanical part03:51
Lathiatah03:51
LaserJockwithout mopact you could look at your molecules, but you couldn't do much with them03:51
Lathiatright03:51
Lathiatwhat package is that in?03:52
Lathiatlibopenbabel?03:52
LaserJockthe thing is, mopac7 is in Debian unstable so I don't know why they didn't use it03:52
LaserJockit is just mopac703:52
Lathiatooh i see03:52
LaserJockthe old ghemical had it built in I think03:52
Lathiatwell03:53
Lathiati'll try get them03:53
Lathiatand build them03:53
Lathiatand see what happens03:53
ajmitchah, azeem is the ghemical maintainer03:54
ajmitchinteresting03:54
LaserJockwell, I'm building them currently with pbuilder03:55
LaserJockI am just trying to get the hang of this packaging thing :-)03:55
Lathiathehe03:55
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Lathiatpbuildering will b ea little fun03:55
Lathiatcus you have to stuck in the new mopac7 packages03:55
Lathiati have no idea how to do that03:55
LaserJockme neither03:56
ajmitchlooks like the maintainer of ghemical is gone for the night03:56
ajmitchotherwise you could ask him about it03:56
jsgotangcohi all03:56
LaserJockwhat about bumping the version up to 0.9? The problem is that it is not in Debian.03:56
Lathiatwhat isnt in debian?03:57
LaserJock0.903:57
LaserJockof ghemical03:57
Lathiat0.9 of whwat03:57
Lathiatoh03:57
Lathiatis it needed?03:57
Lathiat1.9 i assume you mean03:57
ajmitchLaserJock: so file a bug in debian03:57
LaserJockwell, it is gtk2 instead of gtk103:57
Lathiatwell, thats not -needed-03:57
LathiatLaserJock: probably best to have a achat to the maintainer03:57
Lathiatask why mopac isnt used03:57
Lathiatand why 1.9 isnt there03:57
LaserJockyeah, ok03:58
bddebianHow the hell do you troubleshoot patching problems?? :-(04:00
ajmitchbddebian: you don't, you fix them ;)04:00
Lathiatbddebian: haha04:00
LaserJockwell, mopac7 from debian unstable built in pbuilder and installed ok, I think04:00
Lathiatbdwhats the problem04:00
LathiatLaserJock: yeh here too04:00
=== Lathiat now builds libghemical
bddebianLathiat: Just fuzz/fail stuff but it makes no sense04:00
Lathiatbddebian: patch probably isnt in the right patch level?04:01
Lathiatand if theres like files with the same name it will get confused04:01
Lathiatpatches need to be from the root of the tree04:01
bddebianEverything succeeded but the debian/rules portion04:01
bddebianajmitch: Well how do I "fix" them then???04:06
ajmitchbddebian: depends on what's wrong04:08
ajmitchI usually just look over it by eye04:08
ajmitchsometimes it's tab/space mixups04:08
bddebianI am and it looks correct04:08
bddebianOhhh, a tab maybe.. Hmm04:09
LaserJockLathiat: so should I email the Debian maintainer, Michael Banck?04:10
ajmitchLaserJock: yes, could be best to file a wishlist bug04:11
ajmitchin debian04:11
LaserJockwell, I got libghemical built and installed04:14
LaserJockis there a way with pbuilder to build a package when one of the dependencies is something that is not in the repos?04:15
bddebianajmitch: OK, I fixed the tab/space issue but same errors :-(04:16
ajmitchLaserJock: best way is to put them in a local repository yourself, and reference that repository from within pbuilder04:17
ajmitchwhich take a bit of tweaking04:17
LaserJockhmm, so would it be easier to do it without pbuilder?04:17
ajmitchmaybe04:20
bddebianAh-ha04:21
bddebianIs succeeded with FUZZ X OK?04:21
bddebianNafallo: Still here?04:26
Nafallobddebian: yepp :-(04:28
Nafallos/:-(/:-)/04:28
bddebian:-)04:28
bddebianNafallo: Would you mind trying pointless again?04:28
Nafallobddebian: nope :-)04:28
bddebianYou are a man of many words ;-)04:29
Nafallobddebian: debdiff on the same place? :-)04:29
bddebianAye04:29
Nafallobddebian: it's just that it's feels pointless ;-)04:29
bddebianlol04:30
Nafallohehe, only fuzz on debian/rules now :-P04:30
=== Nafallo kicks pdebuild
Nafallodpkg-buildpackage: source package is pointless04:33
Nafallodpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.5-5ubuntu304:33
Nafallodpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>04:33
Nafallo fakeroot debian/rules clean04:33
Nafallodebian/rules:36: *** missing separator.  Stop.04:33
Nafallolol!04:33
Nafallo:-)04:33
ajmitchyay04:33
slomoprobably spaces instead of tab or somethin similar ;)04:34
ajmitchas said before04:34
bddebianBah fuxx0r04:34
=== Nafallo kicks of again ;-)
Nafallopatching file src/primitive.h04:38
NafalloHunk #1 FAILED at 106.04:38
Nafallo1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/primitive.h.rej04:38
Nafallomake: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 104:38
Nafallobddebian: could you run it through a pbuilder next time please? :-P04:38
ajmitchI guess the clean target doesn't properly unpatch04:38
=== Nafallo finds pointless pointless till barry runned it through his own pbuilder ;-)
=== ajmitch waits for the preview installer to download
bddebianThis frickin' sucks04:44
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bddebianNafallo: Did you happen to try the drscheme debdiff?04:58
Nafallobddebian: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/202605:01
slomobddebian: are you testing your stuff in pbuilder?05:02
bddebianfuck05:02
=== ajmitch always uses pbuilder on the .dsc created
=== Nafallo usually does pdebuild and debsign
NafalloI don't care to sign unbuildable stuff :-P05:04
ajmitchpdebuild makes the tree dirty05:06
=== ajmitch does debuild -S first, then uses that .dsc
Nafallowhat's the diffrence?05:06
ajmitchpbuilder build builds out of tree05:07
ajmitchunpacks it in the location specified by your config05:07
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bddebianThis is utter bullshit05:08
ajmitchbddebian: but so much fun05:09
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khermanshow can i submit our package into the repos?05:11
ajmitchwhat package?05:11
khermansnzbget05:11
ajmitchthe general procedure is to put it up for review05:11
khermanson sourceforge05:12
ajmitchand we give you feedback, get things fixed, and once it's ready, it can be imported05:12
ajmitch"As of 2004-10-08 10:20, this project is no longer under active development. "05:12
ajmitchthat doesn't look promising at all05:12
bddebiancan some PLEASE help me fix this soI understand wtf is going on??05:13
khermansajmitch, hehe05:13
khermansajmitch, actually that was set by the old maintainer05:13
ajmitchok, so it's being worked on again?05:13
khermansajmitch, yes, we just release new versions recently05:13
ajmitchyeah, good05:13
ajmitchso is there a package built for it?05:14
khermans0.2.3 sept 5, 200505:14
ajmitcha debian package, that is05:14
khermansajmitch, i have not built a deb, dont know how you guys run that process05:14
ajmitchI see tarballs there05:14
ajmitchok05:14
ajmitcheither you could learn it, or put up some details on wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates to ask for people to package it :)05:15
ajmitchhowever that list is fairly long05:15
khermansajmitch, learn it?  you mean actually writing the deb file by hand?05:15
khermansajmitch, isnt there a util to package it up?05:15
ajmitchthere are ways to help you get started05:16
ajmitchbut you still need to tailor it to your package05:16
khermansajmitch, is there an online HOWTO or something05:16
ajmitcheg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips05:17
khermansajmitch, how long from submitting it for review to getting it in there officially?05:17
ajmitchDebian New Maintainer's guide is a start05:17
ajmitchkhermans: depends on how much work it needs05:17
ajmitchit may not get in for breezy, depending on how busy we are, too05:17
khermansajmitch, thx for info -- will investigate and come back later dude :-)05:18
ajmitchok05:18
bddebianOK, who do I have to beg, what do I have to do??? :'-(05:19
slomobddebian: me tomorrow when no one else wanted to until then ;)05:20
slomogn8 everybody :)05:20
Nafalloslomo: night05:20
bddebianGnight slomo05:20
ajmitchbddebian: I'm free in maybe 2 hours to sit down & help out05:21
ajmitchbut I guess you'll be gone by then05:21
bddebianProbably :-(05:21
ajmitchdebian BSP coming up this weekend05:26
ajmitchso we might be able to merge a few fixes05:26
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ajmitchyay, might get pam 0.79 in unstable soon, it's the other main part i want for selinux05:30
ajmitchhello rob^05:30
rob^hi ajmitch05:31
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bddebianOK I think I almost have it.  What is malformed patch at line 80 mean?05:57
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bddebianBah, I give up for the night.  Gnight folks.06:29
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wickedpuppyhi guys does anyone knows how is /lib/modules/<kernel> is generated ? by what program ?09:02
=== robitaille has been wondering about these /lib/modules/...errors on the console in breezy
tritiumrobitaille, video/console modules?09:04
robitailleyes09:05
wickedpuppyeh then you know how are those generated ? i am making initrd and in my kernel module fs , there is no ext309:05
wickedpuppydoes that mean my kernel won't support ext3 ?09:06
tritiumwickedpuppy, dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r), and you'll see that the modules are in that package09:06
wickedpuppyeh no .. i downloaded kernel source from kernel.org and using genkernel to make kernel + initrd09:06
tritiumyou're not happy with ubuntu kernel images or kernel source?09:07
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wickedpuppynope my work requires me to build a live cd with specific kernel09:07
tritiumok09:07
wickedpuppythats why09:07
wickedpuppyif not use /vmlinuz09:08
tritiumbed time09:08
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siretartmorning folks09:19
siretartajmitch: I'm now off for a week, holidays.09:19
siretartajmitch: can you please ask elmo about syncing darcs from unstable? I verified it builds in breezy09:20
siretartthank you, and have a great week, folks!09:20
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dholbachgood morning09:27
robitaillehi dholbach09:27
dholbachhey robitaille :)09:29
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ajmitchhi dholbach09:48
dholbachhey andrew09:49
ajmitchhow are you?09:49
dholbachi'm fine, thanks :)09:49
dholbachhow are you? :)09:49
ajmitchalmost alive09:49
ajmitchbut it's friday night here09:49
ajmitchso I'm allowed to sleep soon ;)09:50
dholbachhehe09:51
ajmitchwhat have you been up to this week?09:52
dholbachi uploaded the new gnome with seb, reviewed a couple of packages, did some bits of bug triage09:53
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ajmitchgreat09:55
=== ajmitch tries to think if he did any ubuntu stuff..
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ajmitchwell I know I made a few uploads09:56
ajmitch& bug closing09:56
dholbachyou absolutely did09:56
ajmitch& debian uploads09:56
ajmitch& unfinished meeting minutes :)09:57
jsgotangcoi just bummed around10:01
torkelMithrandir: ping?10:34
Mithrandirpong10:35
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torkelMithrandir: is there any ia32-lib universe package?11:21
ajmitchsigh, I got the rejection email already11:21
Mithrandirtorkel: there's ia32-libs in main11:22
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torkelMithrandir: I need to run a HP 32-bit only binary (cli for Smart Array) on an AMD64, that depends on libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 which comes from universe :-(11:23
Mithrandirtorkel: you could just download the i386 deb and unpack that in the right place11:24
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torkelMithrandir: yeah. Guess I'm just lazy :-)11:24
Mithrandirtorkel: I really don't want to create more ia32-libs-style packages; they're hideous11:25
torkelMithrandir: yeah11:26
torkeljust thought I should ask :-)11:27
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ajmitchhi koke11:37
kokehi all! :)11:37
ajmitchhow are you?11:37
dholbachhey koke11:38
dholbachhow's it going?11:38
jsgotangcohey11:38
ajmitchdholbach! :)11:38
kokewell, playing with rubyonrails :)11:41
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\shmoins12:35
dholbachhey \sh12:36
\shjust eating sth...coming back from tax department :(12:37
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting-2005-09-0712:38
ajmitchplease fix up & add in comments before I send it out :)12:38
\shgo from me very good12:39
Lathiatthere was a meeting 2 days ago?12:41
Lathiatbah12:41
ajmitchLathiat: yes..12:41
\shwiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar ;)12:41
ajmitchLathiat: well it was at 6am your time, again ;)12:41
ajmitchso you probably would have still been up12:41
Lathiatyou mean 4am12:41
Lathiatthing is, i proabably was up ;p12:42
ajmitch22:00UTC?12:42
ajmitchok, updated with names of people who were present12:47
ajmitch(judging solely by names of people who spoke up at least once) ;)12:48
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=== ajmitch updates the calendar for the bug love day
ajmitchany volunteers to send out the mail & organise this bug day in a week?12:54
\shbddebian volunteered, right?12:55
ajmitchnot that I saw12:55
ajmitchI'll ask him when I see him12:55
\shi don't recall this issue12:55
ajmitchno, but we need to get onto it in the next couple of days :)12:56
ajmitchI can write up an email, I guess12:56
\shok...yeah..we will ;)12:56
ajmitchubuntu-users & ubuntu-devel, who else needs to hear?12:57
\shkubuntu-devel?12:57
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\shhehe12:57
ajmitchbut I think the community running a bug day should be reasonable12:58
ajmitchthere's a debian one this weekend12:58
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\shogra: ping is it ok with tomorrow? :)12:59
ogra\sh, sure :)01:00
\shcool01:00
HiddenWolfbug day, nice. :)01:03
HiddenWolfBut rather have people go through the list of NEED INFO bugs, so they can actually get fixed for a change?01:04
HiddenWolfPeople report bugs, but register with email accounts they don't check, spamfilter eats bugzilla mails, so a lot of bugs stay open indefinatly waiting for some useful information.01:05
ajmitchHiddenWolf: we'll mainly focus on universe01:05
ajmitchsince we're MOTUs01:05
ajmitchbut we'll do what we can01:05
HiddenWolfExpand it. :)01:05
ajmitchHiddenWolf: sure, get us 10x more people with twice as much time01:06
HiddenWolfthe same goes for malone btw. Now the number of bugs is managable.01:06
HiddenWolfdebug the bugs. :)01:06
ajmitchwe're still stretched fairly thin here :)01:06
HiddenWolfI know. I'd be happy to help, if I can get the time.01:09
ajmitch#ubuntu-bugs, 17th Sept01:09
ajmitchdetails will follow in a mail in the next day or two :)01:09
HiddenWolfUgh, I've got a party and a dentists appointment on the 16th. I guess I'll be busted. :)01:10
ajmitchHiddenWolf: you'll be fine ;)01:11
ajmitchwe'll still have plenty of work in the days following01:11
HiddenWolfajmitch, I'm not a programmer just yet, trying to be tho. ;)01:11
ajmitchyou don't need to be a programmer to follow up on bugs01:12
HiddenWolfI know, I'm browsing bugzilla now.01:12
HiddenWolffiling and following up on random people's bugs.01:16
ajmitchok01:17
ajmitchgood to hear :)01:17
HiddenWolfWell yeah, there are bugs open that everyone has noticed, but still up as NEED INFO. That's just dumb.01:21
ajmitchNEEDINFO in order to solve01:21
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HiddenWolfWe'd have ntp timing out on all pc's with a bit of latency due to the original reporter not following up with the requested information, for example.01:21
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=== ajmitch needs a drink
slomogodd morning ;)01:27
ajmitchhi slomo01:27
ajmitchhow are you?01:27
slomoextremly tired :/ i better get back to bed later ;)01:28
ajmitchheh01:29
ajmitchstayed up too late last night?01:30
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slomoyes... 5:XY and i'm awake since 10:00 because of some people working to loud in the neighborhood :/01:31
slomobtw... what happened to breezy-changes? almost nothing the laster hours...01:32
HiddenWolfslomo, preview freeze, bugfix modes. :)01:33
slomooh... no, broken fetchmail :) there were some changes ;)01:34
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ajmitchparty on in flat next door, I won't be getting any sleep for awhile01:36
\shajmitch: me needs a drink as well..01:37
ajmitchyeah, for different reason :)01:38
HiddenWolfcan anyone here give me a rundown on how to get a decent backtrace?01:39
jbaileyHiddenWolf: The trick is often to get it to die before it dies.01:47
jbaileybacktraces in gdb often have the problem that they're trying to get the information *after* the stack has already been corrupted.01:48
jbaileyuse 'break' to set the breakpoint at some time when you know it works, then get it closer and closer to the mark that you want, and step/next until you get to the failure point and can see what's happening.01:49
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pefhello !02:20
Nafallomorning pef.02:20
pefNafallo: thanks for uploading my debdiffs :)02:20
Nafallopef: no problem :-). but poker3d didn't build here.02:20
ajmitchhi pef, Nafallo02:21
Nafallomorning ajmitch :-)02:22
ajmitchso what should I work on now?02:22
ajmitchsince I won't be getting any sleep02:22
pefajmitch: hello :)02:22
pefNafallo: within pbuilder ?02:23
Nafallopef: yes, something about bad libX something. I could run it again ;-)02:23
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ajmitchhi ivoks02:24
ivokscolony4 doesn't boot on one 30 computers!02:24
ivokson 30, not one :)02:24
ajmitchtried preview?02:24
ivoksno02:25
ajmitchwhat doesn't work?02:25
ivoksit detects disks and stops02:25
ivokskernel freezes02:25
ajmitchhm02:25
ajmitchnasty02:25
ivokssata disks02:25
ivoksbut, netboot works02:25
ajmitchtest preview, file bugs :)02:25
ivokswith netboot i have another problem - doesn't support yukon ethernet :)02:25
ajmitchI think there was stuff fixed about that before preview02:25
ajmitchaha02:25
ivokswhere is preview?02:26
slomojbailey: ping02:26
ajmitchreleases.ubuntu.com, iirc02:26
jbaileyslomo: pong02:27
ajmitchjeff! :)02:27
jbaileyandrew!02:27
Nafalloivoks: CC.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/02:27
ivoksok02:27
ivoksNafallo is that http?02:28
Nafalloivoks: yes02:28
Nafalloivoks: and CC = CountryCode :-)02:28
ivokslol02:28
slomojbailey: i can't plug a serial cable into the ibook... it has no serial interface ;) but are you sure the drivers are not built into the kernel? the first message about a ramdisk is in the line over the panic where it says incomplete write (or when that is fixed) found ramdisk at block 0 or something similar02:28
Nafallo\sh: ping02:28
\shNafallo: pong02:29
Nafallo\sh: got any changes for gajim?02:29
Nafallo\sh: I'm planning to add sv.po ;-)02:29
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\shNafallo: no :(02:31
\shNafallo: do it ;)02:31
Nafallopef: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/204102:31
Nafallo\sh: :-)02:31
pefNafallo: thanks !02:32
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pefNafallo: works for me and builds into pbuilder, strange :] 02:34
Nafallopef: hmm :-/02:35
ivoksNafallo there is no hr.releases :) and no uk.releases02:36
ivoksi'm using jigdo now :/02:36
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ivoksi'm afraid this is useless... i'm sure installation kernel doesn't support yukon ethernet...02:38
Nafalloivoks: well, uk is releases.ubuntu.com. I thought you knew the datacenter was UK? :-)02:38
Nafalloivoks: se. has 2.4Gbit/s IIRC ;-)02:39
ivoksNafallo hm... then it's too slow...02:39
ivoksthanks02:39
\shivoks: what about yukon?02:40
Nafallonp :-)02:40
\shivoks: marvel yukon sk98lin driver are not in the kernel, will never be...they're rewriting the stuff and skge runs only with some yukons02:40
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ivokseh..02:41
ivoks:(02:42
ivoksi have yukon cards here02:42
ivoksand wanted to do kickstart install02:42
ivokswithout CD02:42
\shivoks: so u have to tweak your initrd just like me for the r20002:42
ivoksdamn...02:42
ivoks\sh could you guide me on that?02:42
ivoksi know how to do it02:42
ivoksbut every time i get kernel panic :)02:42
\shivoks: you compile the upstream sk98lin drivers as patch into your kernel02:43
\sh2.6.12 it is02:43
ivoksi even compiled kernel with yukon driver02:43
ivoksok, did that02:43
\shwith the orig yukon driver in the kernel? skge doesn't work ;) u need the drivers from syskonnect02:44
ivoksit works with this driver02:44
\shok....02:44
ivoksi had linux on this machines before02:44
\shthen...02:44
\shdo it  as module ;)02:44
ivoksok02:44
\shcopy the initrd.gz from <cdrom mntpoint>/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz to a better place02:45
\shthen gunzip initrd.gz02:45
\shmkdir initrdmntpoint02:45
ivoksmount :)02:45
\shsudo mount -o loop initrd initrdmntpoint02:45
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\shcp <fromdir>/skge.ko initrdmntpoint/lib/modules/2.6.12-*/kernel/drivers/net/<eventually skge dir>/skge.ko02:46
\shumount initrdmntpoint02:46
\shgzip initrd02:46
\shcp initrd.gz <cdrom mntpoint>/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz02:46
ivoksah...02:46
ivoksi tought i can't write to initrd :)02:46
ivokssilly me02:46
\shits a ramdisk ;)02:46
ivoksi mixed it up with iso :)02:47
ivokseh... Makefile should produce -8-38602:47
\shno02:47
\shu have to adjust the Makefile02:48
ivoksright02:48
ivoksor do append version in kernel02:48
\shadjust the makefile...so the module version symbols are ok..02:48
ivoksthanks02:48
\shbut i needed it the last time with 2.6.12-3 /-402:48
\shafter this no more02:48
ivoksthanks for the initrd trick02:49
\shit's a bad hack dude02:49
ivoksother stuff i know allready02:49
\shofficially ubuntu doesn't work with new marvel yukons :( which are in need of the syskonnect driver, but as fabbione said: it's a mess to integrate this filth into the kernel...and they're rewriting sk98lin from scratch02:50
\sh;)02:50
ivoksnp02:50
ivoksbut for some, driver that is in kernel, works02:50
ivoks\sh did you try install with kickstart?02:51
\shivoks: pxe boot02:51
ivoksyes02:51
ivokson other machines everything vent fine02:52
\shivoks: pxe is booting via dhcp and tftpd02:52
ivoksexcept, i had to partition it manually02:52
\shbut to pull the packages from the install media I need a network connection for the apache connect02:52
ivoks\sh yes, and then you add something like ks=http://somewhere/ks.cfg02:52
\shif you want preseeding02:52
\shi do a normal install via pxe02:53
ivoksi do... it's 30 machines :)02:53
ivoksno, make that 5002:53
\shbut you can adjust the partioning in the preseed file02:53
ivoks30 aren't working :)02:53
ivoksi did02:53
ivoksthat's the problem...02:53
\shu explained it on -devel?02:53
ivoksno, i tried today02:53
ivoksi have to test it one more time02:54
ivokstryed02:55
ivoksah, i know where is problem02:56
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ivoksthere are two partitions... not free space on disk02:57
sjmorganis this the place to ask questions about multiverse or just universe?02:57
ivoksso, it couldn't create partitions02:57
ivokssjmorgan about development?02:57
sjmorganwell i have 2 questions, 1 of which is about multiverse02:57
sjmorgani'm wondering where the mplayer packages have gone basically02:58
sjmorganthere only seems to be one for amd6402:58
sjmorgani'm using breezy btw02:58
ivokssjmorgan mplayer-58602:59
ivoksnot just mplayer02:59
sjmorganhrrm weird, but thanks03:00
sjmorgani did an apt-cache search mplayer and got nothing03:00
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ivokstry again03:00
sjmorganwtf03:01
ajmitch     1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu7 003:01
ajmitch       1200 http://10.18.1.1 breezy/multiverse Packages03:01
ajmitchworks for me(tm)03:01
sjmorganyeah it works here now :/03:01
ajmitchyes I have weird apt pinning ;)03:01
sjmorganwell my other question is would it be possible to pull in quodlibet 0.12 from debian?03:01
sjmorgani'm assuming that's where you source it from03:02
ivokspanic03:02
ivokspreview doesn't work too :)03:02
sjmorgan?03:02
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\shok...i will sleep for 1 1/2 hour...my system has to calm down ;-)03:09
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bddebianHeya03:54
dholbachhey bddebian :)03:55
ajmitchhello bddebian03:55
bddebianMorning dholbach, ajmitch03:55
bddebianSo which of you have time to help me fix this fscking debdiff? :)03:57
ajmitchit's only 2am here, why not?03:58
jsgotangcoajmitch: have a beer03:58
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ajmitchjsgotangco: I think I might need one :)03:58
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jsgotangcolet us drown ourselvess ia sea of  debauchey03:58
bddebianajmitch: 2am is that all? :-)03:58
ajmitchjsgotangco: heh03:58
ajmitchbddebian: yeah, I'm lying in bed using the laptop03:59
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ajmitchbddebian: so do you have a debdiff for me to look at?04:00
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bddebianajmitch: SOrry, actually "work" mode :-)04:06
ajmitchah ok04:06
bddebianajmitch: http://www.bddebian.com/packages/ubuntu/pointless/04:06
ajmitchwasn't sure if you'd be at work yet or not04:06
ajmitchthe debdiff itself would have been nicer :P04:07
bddebianIt's the only file in that dir, sheesh04:07
bddebianhttp://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/pointless/pointless_0.5-5ubuntu3.debdiff04:08
ajmitchyes, so I had to open firefox, copy url, go to terminal, paste url to wget :)04:08
bddebianThat's what I do :-)04:08
ajmitchugh04:08
bddebianugh?04:08
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ajmitchok04:10
ajmitchpatching file pointless-0.5/debian/control04:10
ajmitchpatching file pointless-0.5/debian/rules04:10
ajmitchHunk #1 succeeded at 31 with fuzz 2.04:10
ajmitchHunk #2 succeeded at 49 with fuzz 1.04:10
ajmitchpatching file pointless-0.5/debian/patches/gcc4_build_fix.patch04:10
ajmitchpatch: **** malformed patch at line 82:04:10
ajmitchthat's what you're getting at the moment, right?04:10
bddebianajmitch: Yes :'-(04:11
ajmitchfun04:12
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=== ajmitch will try & get it working..
ajmitchok, splitdiff still gives a malformed patch04:14
ajmitchok, fixed that part04:16
ajmitchmust have been a missing line of context, because adjusting the +1,15 to +1,14 worked04:16
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ajmitchhave to see if it builds now :)04:17
ajmitchok, patch fails, no huge surprises there04:19
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bddebianajmitch: What do you mean no surprise?? :-(04:20
ajmitchbddebian: well the patch would probably have been broken in debian/patches04:21
ajmitchso fixing the debdiff doesn't mean I fixed the other patch04:21
bddebianThe patch works, just the diff is b0rked for some reason. :-(04:23
ajmitchnah04:23
ajmitchI checked the patch in the BTS against your one04:23
ajmitchdiffering tab/space04:24
ajmitchso I've stuck that one in & it's working04:24
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ajmitchbddebian: good news is that it builds cleanly04:29
bddebianajmitch: I originally did this with the patch from BTS04:29
ajmitchwell it got munged04:30
ajmitchwant me to upload now?04:30
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HiddenWolfSo, is there any motu-specific documentation for the starting programmer? :)04:32
ajmitchyou don't need to be a programmer to do MOTU work04:32
ajmitchit's mainly packaging04:33
ajmitchsome scripting involved, sometimes fixing buggy code..04:33
bddebianHiddenWolf: It's just slave labor.. ;-P04:33
HiddenWolfajmitch, it helps if you understand at least the basics, I presume. :)04:33
ajmitchbddebian: essentially04:33
HiddenWolfbddebian, I'm familiar with the concept, thanks. :)04:33
bddebianajmitch: Sure, please but I really need to understand why it didn't work since I seem to have a similar problem with the patch I did for drscheme04:33
ajmitchthere are a number of wiki pages like PackagingTips, MOTUWannabeTips04:34
HiddenWolfajmitch, so where do I start?04:34
=== ajmitch points above
ajmitchat this stage we're mainly fixing up as many packages as we can before release04:34
ajmitchlists of stuff to do on MOTUTodo04:35
HiddenWolfYou guys should have a start page, much like /UserDocumentation04:35
bddebianHiddenWolf: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps for work but the two wiki's that ajmitch pointed out04:35
ajmitchHiddenWolf: feel free to write one, like /MOTU ?04:35
ajmitch2 of the urls listed so far are in the topic04:35
HiddenWolfajmitch, I'm planning an /ThingsThatChaseMeFromUbuntuLinux ;)04:35
ajmitchHiddenWolf: ok04:36
HiddenWolfI was sorely tempted for an rm -rf / yesterday.04:36
ajmitchwhy?04:36
HiddenWolfOOo choked on a critical .ppt, and I couldn't get evince to work nicely with any of my school's pdfs so far.04:37
ajmitchaha04:37
HiddenWolfI'm missing features, and my printer is mising half it's functionality.04:37
HiddenWolfStarting next week I'll have 3/4 lectures a week with 20-40 sheets a piece. Either in ppt or in pdf. I need to be able to print those, preferably 4-8 a page.04:39
HiddenWolfCan't have OOO choke on the excel sheets that explain economical theory either...04:39
ajmitchheh, fun :)04:39
ajmitchsadly, it's not in our area of fixits04:39
HiddenWolfajmitch, I know.04:40
HiddenWolfOOO is just a POS that should be banned, as far as I'm concerned. poppler is so buggy that I can't believe they use it as default evince backend.04:40
HiddenWolfAnd Cups, what shall I say...04:40
HiddenWolfsending a job to my printer, and not popping up errors, yet not reaching the printer either. That's just sad.04:41
HiddenWolfI can print now, as long as I stick to 1 page/page and non-duplex, which isn't what I got the printer for. :P04:42
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HiddenWolfajmitch, no, that's where I go loose. ;)04:42
ajmitchhaha04:42
ajmitchI'd love to see that one ;)04:42
HiddenWolf*g*04:44
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pef_awNafallo: pbuilder log of poker3d http://dev.erodia.net/tmp/poker3d_pbuilder.log04:56
bddebianpoker3d.. w00t04:56
pef_awhuh ?04:57
Nafallopef_aw: strange, I'll kick it again after blam :-)04:57
bddebianpef: Hey, I hope you don't mind me looking at pointless and drscheme04:58
pefbddebian: I'm back from work, I'm looking at rightly now :)04:59
bddebianpef: I think ajmitch may have uploaded the pointless fix already04:59
ajmitchnot yet05:00
ajmitchwill do now05:00
bddebianOhh05:00
bddebianGot to install some software, bbiam05:00
pefok, so I look for drscheme05:01
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pefhave to leave again :/05:14
ajmitchnight all05:22
tsengbye05:22
slomonight ajmitch :)05:22
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bddebianHeya \sh05:33
\shhey bddebian05:33
\shbrb05:34
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jsgotangcoHiddenWolf: nice wiki page heh05:42
HiddenWolfjsgotangco, yeah, I'll update it with my own experience in a bit, but yesterday I figured out that cups, evince and OOO make me totally unproductive.05:42
jsgotangcoi was like wtf at the start05:42
jsgotangcobut i was reading it a bit..05:43
HiddenWolfBefore classes started, for one subject, I had about 20 .docs, pdfs and ppt/xls to go over. Evince and OOo didn't like that.05:43
\shok..what do i need for this evening? some beer...some pringles....iron maiden....and emacs05:47
\shthat means I have to hurry to the shop05:48
Nafallo\sh: make that use_gpg_agent-option for Gajim graphical :-)05:48
\shNafallo: I want to integrate launchpad stuff this evening and then tweaking the ui05:49
\shit's weekend ;)05:49
Nafallo\sh: rock on, I'll probably be her to help out. deps: girlfriends mood ;-)05:49
\shNafallo: don't worry...gf comes first ,-)05:51
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\shk...hurring to the shop ;)05:53
bddebian\sh: Emacs?? WTF.  Nano baby ;-)05:54
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jsgotangcohe's only paying homage to the one true editor05:56
jsgotangcoheh05:56
slomobddebian: nano? what do you want to do with nano? ;)05:56
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bddebianslomo: nano r0x j00 baby ;-)05:59
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LaserJockheah guys, I got a reply from the Debian ghemical maintainer06:00
ivokscheck out spam i got today :)06:00
ivoksFrom: webmaster@ubuntu.com06:00
ivoksTo: ivoks@ubuntu.com06:00
bddebianLaserJock: And?06:00
ivoks:)06:00
slomoivoks: lol :) what was written in the mail?06:00
bddebianivoks: Nice one :-)06:01
ivoksDear user ivoks,06:01
ivoksYou have successfully updated the password of your Ubuntu account.06:01
ivoks:)06:01
ivoksIf you did not authorize this change or if you need assistance with your account, please contact Ubuntu customer service at: webmaster@ubuntu.com06:01
jsgotangcohahah06:01
slomohmm06:01
jsgotangcoi haven't received any ubuntu spam yet06:01
ivokslet's see where did it came from06:01
ivokshm06:02
ivokslol!06:02
ivokspcchip, croatian magazine :)06:02
LaserJockHe said the MOPAC wasn't built into libghemcial because it didn't play well with gcc-4.0 and said that he had looked at the latest version of ghemical (1.9) briefly but didn't have much success06:02
ivoksoh, now they'll hear me :)06:02
jsgotangconice06:02
\shback06:03
\shi hope it will rain tonight..this humidity is evil06:03
slomo\sh++ :)06:03
\shslomo: prost :)06:04
slomoah, you have a beer now too? ;)06:04
\shyeah...and just I start emacs ,)06:05
slomo\sh: prost :)06:05
LaserJockI think I might try to fiddle around with the Debian source packages for mopac and libghemical today at work. I was able to get both of them to build with pbuilder last night but I want to see if I can get the MOPAC support built into libghemical.06:05
slomowhat do you want to do with emacs? just fixing some stuff?06:05
\shslomo: hacking gajim ;)06:05
slomo\sh: what exactly? :)06:06
\shlaunchpad integration06:06
slomogood idea... did you and Nafallo convice the devs that launchpad is useful for them? ;)06:07
\shslomo: I think they understood..they're only a bit pissed because of their not imported .po files06:07
slomo\sh: hmm... but they are imported now afaik ;) https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+translations06:09
\shnice :()06:10
LaserJockIs there a reason why libghemical is not in universe?06:10
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slomoLaserJock: no idea... probably just forgotten... maybe tell elmo about it or something06:12
LaserJockhmm, ok. I think that ghemical would be fixed (kinda)  if we got libghemical built06:13
\shslomo: they're ok with it :)06:14
\shslomo: you can join them on gajim@conferences.jabber.no ;)06:15
slomo\sh: i know... i was there yesterday :)06:15
Nafallo\sh: he talked to them about avahi :-)06:15
\shah ;)06:15
LaserJockok, dumb question. I can't find any contact info (email address) for elmo? Does anybody have that?06:25
NafalloLaserJock: tried elmo@ubuntu.com?06:27
LaserJockno, doh06:27
bddebianActually I think it's james.troup@...06:27
LaserJockok, thanks guys06:29
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\shok...dchroot and compile gajim06:38
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\shgnarf...76MB to update06:40
j^current version of dhcdbd in universe has some nasty security issues and i found a new upstream version in fedoras srpms which i just packaged for ubuntu http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/dhcdbd_1.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes06:40
j^should i dput it to revu?06:40
\shwhat is dhcdbd?06:40
j^oh and how can i remove something from revu? dpull?06:40
\sharchive06:41
slomoj^: tell some motu to remove it ;) what do you want to be removed?06:41
j^dhcdbd provides a dbus interface to dhclient, so applications such as06:41
j^ NetworkManager can query and control dhclient.06:41
j^http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=561 since i have a new version 1.8 i would rather upload06:41
j^code wise the biggest change is a new dbus system.d file which does not allow everything to everyone06:42
\shj^: problem is..if network manager is ever hitting main...dhcpbd needs to go to main too06:42
slomoj^: just upload the new version... revu will handle this06:42
j^\sh true, still current version has a security bugt06:42
j^slomo ok06:42
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j^\sh im also fine with sending patches, or just pointing out that a newer version its at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/06:44
j^its rather confusing to have universe packages that are not universe packages because they might end up in main at some point06:44
j^and thus its not possible to fix bugs in them06:45
\shj^: why? the issue is only: nothing in main can depend on packages in universe06:45
j^\sh ????06:45
j^\sh network-manager depends on dhcdbd06:46
j^also the broken version in universe06:46
j^and it will always depend on it06:46
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\shj^: network-manager is also universe....but if you want to bring network-manager to main, all dependencies have to be in main as well06:47
j^\sh sure, but thats not relevant here06:48
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\shj^: not now ;)06:48
ivoksnm is.. ah...06:49
\shivoks: fire ...06:49
ivoksnetwork manager hangs if laptop is put to sleep06:49
ivoksyou have to restart dbus and kill -9 nm-applet06:49
j^\sh i do not see how it will ever an issue. my changes fix a bug in dhcdbd, which is a package n-m depends on06:50
ivoksthat's why i give up it06:50
ivoksit's easier to use wifi-radar and restart it on every resume06:50
j^ivoks might be a problem with your wireless driver06:51
ivoksj^: it isn't06:51
ivoksj^: works with wifi-radar06:51
ivoksand iwconfig sees network06:51
j^nm does work fine here with my orinoco_pci card06:51
ivoksonly nm losees it06:51
j^ivoks still in most cases wifi drivers are broken06:51
ivoksj^: and after you put your laptop to sleep/resume?06:51
ivoksj^: S3 sleep06:52
ivoksj^: this is ipw220006:52
j^broken06:52
ivoksmaybe06:52
ivoksbut in this case problem isn't in driver06:52
ivokscause all other wifi tools are working06:52
ivoksafter resume... only nm crashes06:52
j^no06:53
j^nm might be more demanding, but its the driver that is broken06:53
ivoksok06:53
j^nobody of the driver devs argues about that06:53
ivoksanyway, it's unusable for me06:53
j^its just that they need to be fixed06:53
j^possible06:53
ivoksi would like only for ethernet06:54
j^http://www.ces.clemson.edu/linux/nm-ipw2200.shtml might have some info06:54
ivokssignal level isn't important for me06:54
ivoksusabilty is :)06:55
j^which version of the driver do you use?06:55
ivokslatest06:55
ivoksacctually06:56
slomo\sh: how is you gajim work going? :)06:56
ivoksthose that comes with -8-68606:56
ivoksj^: i never had any problems with it06:56
ivoksj^: it even works better than in windows :)06:56
j^ivoks i never had such a card, so i hever had problems with it too :)06:56
ivoksj^: integrated chipset :)06:56
ivoksj^: is your wifi on laptop?06:57
j^ivoks yes, ibm x3006:57
\shslomo: I inserted a menuitem06:57
ivoksj^: can you put it in S3 sleep?06:57
j^ivoks sure06:57
\shslomo: i added a function for launchpad integration06:57
\shslomo: but it fails, cause it thinks it's a menu06:58
ivoksj^: could you try it? and see if nm shows you signal after resume?06:58
j^ivoks i use it very day and yes it does06:58
ivoksheh, ok06:58
ivoksthen it doesn't work only for me :)06:58
ivoksmaybe i could try it again06:58
j^you can come by if you want to check06:58
j^im in zagreb right now06:58
ivoks?06:59
slomo\sh: where do you want the LP menuitems inserted? under actions?06:59
ivokswhat's the weather in zagreb? :)06:59
\shslomo: no...I inserted a _? and then Launchpad only for testing purposes06:59
j^ivoks just started raining a bit06:59
ivoksj^: and, who are you? :)07:00
j^und now a beautyfull sunset07:00
slomo\sh: when you want i can take a look at it tomorrow :)07:00
j^ivoks one of the guys with a laptop here: operacijagrad.org07:01
\shargl...07:01
\shall bullshit07:01
ivoksi'll return07:02
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\shg_return_if_fail (GTK_IS_MENU (helpmenu));07:05
\shgrmpf07:05
ivoksnope... it just searches for dhcp on ethernet...07:05
ivoksdies on wifi07:05
\shmvo told me it must be a menu item and not a menu07:05
j^ivoks how long did you wait?07:05
ivoksj^: i tailed syslog07:05
ivoksnm told it's going to sleep07:05
ivoks:)07:05
ivokshm..07:06
ivoksok, let's try again07:06
ivoksj^: what are you doing in zagreb?07:06
j^it might take some time for the card to come back07:06
\shslomo: I have it ... I have to put a menu ,-)07:07
slomo\sh: :)07:07
ivoksj^: it isn't a card07:07
ivoksj^: with wifi-radar it's up before i unlock my screen07:07
ivoksbrb07:07
j^powers out...07:11
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ivoksit's a bug in nm07:13
ivoksif i tell it to search for my SSID, it finds it and connects07:13
ivoksbut doesn't do that automatic.07:14
\shslomo: works for me ,-)07:17
slomo\sh: upload then ;)07:17
\shjust now...have to straighten things ,-)07:17
\shslomo: I'll provide the patch directly to upstream ;)07:36
slomo\sh: even better :) maybe they can put their about dialog into the ? menu too :P07:37
\shalready discussed ;)07:37
slomo:)07:37
\shbut I just shot my work07:37
\shdamn07:37
slomo\sh: will they get a new release out in the next days?07:37
bddebianHmm, guess I don't have upload rights yet :-)07:37
\shanyways...again...was fast07:37
slomobddebian: try it ;) probably not07:37
bddebianslomo: I tried an upload about an hour ago ;-)07:38
slomobddebian: and what happened? nothing?07:38
bddebianNada07:38
slomook, then you're at the same state like me :)07:38
tsengMithrandir: here?07:48
dholbachtseng: !07:49
dholbachhow's it going?07:49
tsenghiya dholbach07:49
tsengits alright.07:49
\shslomo: dunno07:49
tsengdholbach: i have a bad problem with work development stuff07:50
tsengdholbach: a package wont build on breezy that i really need.07:50
dholbachmuch to do?07:50
dholbachoh07:50
dholbachwhich one07:50
tsengscotty07:50
tsengit was dropped from debian YEARS ago07:50
tsengim using cvs07:50
tsengor, I was07:50
tsengdholbach: slomo is doing loads of amd64 mono love today07:51
dholbachtseng: he told me :-D07:52
tsengok so here is our current problem07:52
tsengstuff is getting "lost" in mono upgrades from hoary07:52
tseng< slomo> because then it probably makes sense... the gac stuff are just symlinks,  right? so dpkg can't see that they've changed or something...  mono-classlib-1.0 is installed before mono-assemblies-base gets replaced  while updating hoary->breezy so probably the symlinks get removed07:52
\shok...gajim has launchpad integration...I'll prepare a new upload...but first I want to have the opinion of upstream07:52
tsengdoes anyone have an idea of how to force dpkg to upgrade properly?07:53
nakatahehe07:53
dholbachwhat are you talking about?07:54
\shdpkg --force-all -i ?07:54
tsengi meant apt, really07:54
dholbachyou call that properly? :)07:54
tsengdholbach: upgrading mono from hoary -> breezy07:55
tsengstuff used to be in mono-assemblies-base07:55
\shdholbach: works for me ,-)07:55
tsengnow in mono-classlib-1.007:55
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tsengm-c-1 Replaces: mono-a-b07:55
tsengbut it doesnt handle it nicely with the symlinks07:55
tsengslomo found out it removes the replaced package second or something07:56
tsengslomo: do i have it right?07:57
slomotseng: it installs mono-classlib-1.0 and then replaces m-a-b with the dummy package... so the symlinks created by m-c-1 are removed... probably07:57
tsengOH!07:58
tsengi built it07:58
bddebiantseng: Nice07:59
tsenginitialization failed: couldn't load file "/usr/local/lib/tnm3.0.0.so": /usr/local/lib/tnm3.0.0.so: undefined symbol: __dn_expand07:59
tsengalmost07:59
slomotseng: ?07:59
tsengslomo: work stuff07:59
slomotseng: ah ok07:59
tsengslomo: i cant get this crap built on breezy07:59
tseng-lresolve for the win08:00
tsengi rock.08:01
slomo:)08:01
tsengi should make a deb08:02
slomowe should find a dpkg guru to help us with the mono problem ;)08:04
bddebianslomo: No, we should send elmo some beer for our uploads ;-)08:05
slomothat too ;) but that's second priority now :P08:05
tsengslomo: definately.08:07
bddebianslomo: What is first priority? :-)08:07
slomobddebian: fixing mono updates from hoary08:07
bddebianslomo: Anything I can help with?08:08
\shslomo: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/89908:08
slomobddebian: see above :) can you help with this?08:08
dholbachgood bye08:09
tsengbye dholbach08:09
slomobye dholbach :)08:10
dholbachbye brandon, sebastian :)08:10
bddebianLater dholbach08:10
\shdholbach: night :) have fun...08:10
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dholbachsee youuuuuu08:10
bddebianslomo: What does it need? :-)08:10
\shok another beer08:11
slomobddebian: dpkg love ;) currently mono-assemblies-base is updated after mono-classlib-1.0 and it has to be the other way around08:11
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bddebian\sh: wanna do a quick upload for me since it appears that I don't have rights yet?08:12
bddebianslomo: Over my head, sorry. :-(08:12
slomobddebian: np... it's over my head too ;)08:12
\shbddebian: fire :)08:13
\shI just updated my pbuilder ,-)08:13
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hervehello08:13
\shor wait...let me grab a beer ,-)08:13
\shnow08:14
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\shgajim_0.8.2-0ubuntu3 is building ,-)08:16
\shUsing Rosetta08:17
\shYou need an account (free) to use it. It's very quick to make one. Visit https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+translations for more08:17
\shyes...they're using it :)08:17
bddebian\sh: The debdiff for drscheme I posted on MOTUGLUTransitions should work now08:18
bddebianHeya herve08:18
slomo\sh: wonderfull :) will they move to bzr? ;)08:18
\shslomo: slowley ;)08:18
\shlets import the head first in bzr ;)08:18
\shah jblack...need to talk with him :)08:18
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slomo\sh: where's the new gajim upload? :)08:31
\shslomo: moment..taking to jblack on #launchpad and fighting again on gajim@...08:31
slomook...08:32
\shjust testing the package :)08:35
\shwooow08:37
slomo? :)08:38
\shupload08:41
slomohm, when will the LP menu entries be usable, i.e. when will they show something else than a placeholder page ;)08:42
\shslomo: left to the placeholder....you can see the product translation page link08:44
slomo\sh: that only links to the placeholder again... at least for epiphany ;) but anyway, the placeholders aren't that useful imho :)08:45
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slomo\sh: ok... on more ;) not really user friendly :(08:46
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bddebianHeya Lathiat, Seveas08:50
slomo\sh: maybe we should take over maintainership for gajim in debian ;)08:52
\shbddebian: sorry..I'm just busy with the gajim devs...because they have legal issues *gnarf*08:54
slomolegal issues?08:54
bddebian\sh: Sorry for what?08:54
\shthat I don't do the upload right now..give me 20 mins :) thx :)08:55
bddebianOh no worries man08:55
\shjust trying to catch sabdfl08:56
\shok..what was it?08:57
\shwhich package?08:57
\shdrscheme?08:58
\shyes08:58
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\shwow.09:06
\shgreat09:06
\shbddebian: ok...I'm fully your slave now :)09:07
\shjust dealt with all this..and sabdfl is such a nice guy to take his time with upstream devs09:08
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\shbddebian: building drscheme09:17
=== ivoks is in keyring!
=== slomo too :)
ivoksso...09:17
ivoksquestion...09:17
ivokscan i just upload bugfixes or i need a review for them?09:18
slomojust upload them if they work :) and when you're unsure whether it's the correct way to fix ask someone ;)09:18
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bddebian\sh: Nice, thanks09:20
\shbddebian: sorry for the delay :)09:21
bddebian\sh: No worries really.  Looks like I may actually be able to do my own soon. :-)09:22
\shbddebian: I hope so...I wish :)09:23
\shbddebian: build.I'll upload09:24
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hervesee you later09:26
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bddebianHeya Mez, where you been? :-)09:30
slomohi Mez :)09:31
MezI've been at a new job09:32
ivoksyay! my first upload to universe :)09:32
slomoivoks: nice :)09:32
slomoivoks: i'm currently searching something to upload ;)09:33
ivoks:))09:33
ivoksslomo: it better be good09:33
slomoi hope banshee upstream releases a new version soon ;)09:33
slomoLathiat: may i upload libnss-mdns 0.6 with avahi support?09:34
Lathiatslomo: heh09:34
Lathiatslomo: i already prepared that09:34
Lathiatslomo: have you already prepared it?09:34
slomoLathiat: nope... but shouldn't be that hard ;) but when you've done it already...09:34
Lathiatslomo: change the Recommends to avahi-daemon | mdnsresponder09:34
bddebianivoks: Yeah, congrats09:34
ivoksslomo: GLUTransition needs lots of love :)09:34
bddebianMez: Oh, congrats09:35
Lathiatwnat the debdiff?09:35
ivoksbddebian: thanks09:35
Lathiati cant uplload yet09:35
bddebianivoks: It shouldn't, I have hit most of them09:35
slomoLathiat: against 0.5... i'll sponsor it for you then :)09:35
ivoksghc6 is uploaded?09:35
Mezbddebian,  .... ?09:35
slomoLathiat: against 0.6 the debdiff please ;)09:35
bddebianMez: Congrats on a new job :-)09:35
ivoksbddebian: ok, let's wipe out some bugs09:35
bddebianivoks: Yar09:35
Mezoh, lol - been in it for a while... very tiring09:35
bddebianAhh09:36
bddebianivoks: You could try flightgear if your c++ foo is good :-)09:36
ivoks:/09:36
Lathiathttp://bur.st/~lathiat/nss-mdns.debdiff09:36
slomoLathiat: ok, will upload it :)09:37
ivoksbddebian: url09:37
bddebianivoks: For?09:38
ivoksbddebian: flightgear09:39
ivoksbddebian: it doesn't compile or what?09:40
bddebianivoks: Aye FTBFS.  Undefined reference to std::XXX09:40
bddebianNeeds GL/GLU transition too09:40
ivoksok...09:40
ivoksbut that will compile for ages :)09:41
bddebianOh, then don't bother :-)09:41
ivoksbut nice game, tough09:41
ivokswe should work on it09:41
bddebianIt may need some library rebuilds09:42
\shbddebian: uploaded09:44
bddebian\sh: REJECTED :-(09:45
\shwhy?09:45
\shit's your package09:45
\shreason?09:45
ivoksyay accepted :)09:46
bddebian\sh: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/204709:46
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slomoLathiat: uploaded :)09:46
Lathiatslomo: woo thanks09:47
ivokshm...09:47
ivokstime for email change :)09:47
\shbddebian:09:47
\shhmm09:47
\sha f*ck09:47
\sh-sa09:48
\shis nogood09:48
bddebian?09:48
\shi made a mistake09:48
\shthought it was a native package..so I did debuild -S -sa -ksh@sourcecode.de09:49
bddebianAs opposed to?09:50
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slomoLathiat: got mail from katie?09:56
LathiatRejected: nss-mdns_0.6-1ubuntu1.dsc refers to nss-mdns_0.6.orig.tar.gz, but I09:56
Lathiat+can't find it in the queue or in the pool.09:56
slomonarf... sorry :/09:57
slomosame mistake as \sh09:57
\shbddebian: check now09:58
\shok..another beer...09:58
ivokswe have ssh-krb509:59
ivokswich provides ssh client and ssh server09:59
ivoksthese two are in main09:59
ivoksso, could we create package ssh-krb5 wich provides ssh-client and ssh-server?09:59
ivokssince package from main depend on ssh-client/server10:00
bddebian\sh: Nothing yet10:09
\shVon: Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>10:09
\shAntwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com10:09
\shAn: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com10:09
\shBetreff: Accepted drscheme 1:209-5ubuntu1 (source)10:09
\shsorry10:09
\shaccepted10:09
bddebian:-)10:09
slomobddebian? i have a job for you :) do you some time?10:11
bddebianslomo: Shoot10:11
slomobddebian: apt-get update && apt-get install banshee10:11
slomobddebian: then run it and tell me the errors... apt-get install libsqlite3-0 when something with sql fails ;)10:11
bddebianslomo: Ack, I'm not at home.. :-(  I don't have X handy :-(10:15
slomobddebian: oh :(10:15
bddebianI'll be home in a while and I can try10:15
\shbddebian: are you going to ubz?10:18
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bddebian\sh: I may try to go one of the weeks but it will be tough10:19
\shbddebian: ok...from 29th to 6th this is the week to come ;)10:20
bddebianOK :-)10:20
\shbddebian: it's an order not a wish ;-)10:22
\shhahah10:22
bddebian\sh: Yes Sir! :-)10:22
\shhihi10:22
bddebianw00t, tagcoll 1.4 builds now10:27
\shhmmmm10:27
\shI'm a bit dizzy10:27
\shlistening to TaTu10:27
bddebiantoo many biers? ;-)10:27
\shbddebian: hope so ;)10:27
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\shthink I should go to bed..to be ready to join ogra tomorrow ;)10:35
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\shre slomo ogra_ltsp10:39
ivokshehe10:39
ivoksxine-ui success on all platforms :)10:39
Mezdoes anyone know who seb payne is on IRC?10:39
slomoMez: spayne10:39
slomowas there an hour ago10:40
Mezgrr10:40
MezI need to poke him10:40
slomohehe10:40
Mezwell10:40
MezI need to talk to him about iFolder10:40
MezI've just been asked to maintain the packages for debain and ubuntu10:41
Mezoh10:41
Mezjust ubuntu10:41
slomo\sh: regarding gajim... please put about as the last entry in help10:41
slomo\sh: looks wrong now ;)10:41
\shslomo: ok10:42
\shdamn...tomorrow10:42
\shI can't code anymore ,-)10:42
ivoksbye all10:42
slomohehe10:42
bddebianheh10:42
bddebianLater ivoks10:42
slomoMez: are they already in debian? and why should they be maintained separate?10:43
\shslomo: tomorrow morning10:44
Mezslomo - I doubt it... and no idea10:44
Mezsimple fact is ... iFolder has a prorietary library, so neither can distribute... the stuff would be on their servers10:45
slomoMez: uuh... didn't know that... will novell change this?10:45
MezI've no idea10:45
Mezand I didnt know either until some problems came up10:46
bddebianMez: spayne is in #u-d10:47
bddebianw00t first upload, changes accepted.10:53
\shok.guys going too bed10:53
\shbddebian: congrats :)10:54
bddebianGnight \sh, thanks as always10:54
\shbddebian: you rock dude :)10:54
bddebianHeh10:54
\shslomo: try ;)10:54
Mezoh, you got MOTU bddebian ?10:54
slomo\sh: what?10:54
Mezcongrats dude10:54
\shslomo: to upload :)10:54
bddebianMez: Aye.  Thanks.10:54
\shogra_ltsp: tomorrow? latest 14 GMT+2?10:54
slomo\sh: already done 2 uploads :)10:55
Mezbddebian, you deserve it :D shame it took so damn long though10:55
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sistpotyhi folks10:55
\shslomo: woot? by yourself? congrats as well10:55
bddebianHeya sistpoty10:55
bddebianslomo: rockin'10:55
bddebianMez: Bah :-)10:55
\shsistpoty: hi and bye...:)10:55
slomo\sh: thanks :)10:55
ogra_ltsp\sh ok10:55
\shogra_ltsp: when I'm at the station I will call you...whereever it is ;)10:56
ogra_ltspok10:56
\shhope they have cell transmission their ;)10:56
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\shs/their/there/10:56
\shg'night folks ...and rock as hard as ever team10:57
sistpotygn8 \sh_away10:57
slomogn8 \sh_away :)10:57
sistpotyping lamont11:00
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sistpotylamont: if you have too much time, could you kick ocamldap (i386) and eventually ocamlcreal? (not urgent though)11:03
bddebianWell, gonna head home.  Catch you all in a few.11:11
sistpotylater bddebian11:11
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sistpoty*g*11:38
sistpotyit was, at least on date of upload for i386 ;)11:38
lamontthe auto-depwaiter will happily dep-wait on a virtual package, which will never be cleared until that's done manually11:39
sistpotydo you mean ocaml-nox-3.08? should it be ocaml-nox instead?11:42
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