[12:06] <ivoks> Lathiat: ping
[12:06] <Lathiat> ivoks: pong
[12:06] <ivoks> nm works for you?
[12:06] <ivoks> i get errors
[12:06] <ajmitch> such as?
[12:07] <ivoks> Sep  8 23:56:20 localhost NetworkManager: <ERROR>^I[1126216580.767853]   (): couldn't initialize nameserver: Failed to execute child process "no" (No such file or directory)
[12:07] <Lathiat> nuqneh:~> cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep Net
[12:07] <Lathiat> # NetworkManager
[12:07] <Lathiat> deb http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy ./
[12:07] <ivoks> ah...
[12:07] <Burgundavia> ivoks, did you upgrade from the universe to the one from j^?
[12:07] <ivoks> universe :)
[12:07] <Burgundavia> ivoks, as that upgrade will break nameresolution
[12:08] <ivoks> does it use bind?
[12:08] <ivoks> it's hard to type while in bed :)
[12:09] <Lathiat> yes
[12:10] <ivoks> i see
[12:11] <ivoks> Lathiat: any luck with colony4?
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[01:08] <ajmitch> morning Unfrgiven
[01:08] <ajmitch> how's life over the ditch?
[01:08] <Lathiat> which does the job
[01:08] <Lathiat> that can go into avahi
[01:08] <Lathiat> and i need to tell pitti, mvo, daniels about that
[01:09] <Lathiat> also dhcpbdb sucks
[01:09] <ajmitch> rock
[01:09] <Lathiat> it installs an allow all config for the system dbus
[01:09] <Lathiat> e.g. anything can own anything
[01:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so I need to restart avahi-daemon now?
[01:09] <Lathiat> ajmitch: to do what?
[01:10] <ajmitch> to run avahi-discover
[01:10] <Lathiat> why would you?
[01:10] <ajmitch> well..
[01:10] <ajmitch>   File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 379, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
[01:10] <ajmitch> dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Avahi was not provided by any .service files
[01:10] <Lathiat> well that means your daemon is dead
[01:10] <ajmitch> after running your dbus crack
[01:10] <Lathiat> oh
[01:10] <Lathiat> it kicked it off the bus?
[01:10] <Lathiat> it may ahve crashed
[01:10] <Lathiat> 0.2 had a bug
[01:10] <Lathiat> where i fyou have no interfaces up
[01:10] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:11] <Lathiat> and dhcp on the interface
[01:11] <Lathiat> it crashes
[01:11] <ajmitch> interfaces are up
[01:11] <Lathiat> so i just run that
[01:11] <Lathiat> it doesnt kill the daemon
[01:11] <ajmitch> ok, it's all working now
[01:11] <Lathiat> so i dunno why yours did
[01:11] <ajmitch> this was on a fresh install
[01:11] <Lathiat> oh
[01:11] <Lathiat> right
[01:11] <ajmitch> looks like my flatmate is still home
[01:11] <Lathiat> so yeh
[01:11] <Lathiat> youd need to start it
[01:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hehe
[01:12] <ajmitch> reflector is still working well then
[01:12] <ajmitch> since it sees both wireless & wired
[01:13] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: this side of the ditch is good :)
[01:13] <Unfrgiven> my laptop arrived yesterday! its a dell XPS-2 :D
[01:14] <ajmitch> great
[01:14] <Lathiat> specs?
[01:15] <Unfrgiven> Pentium M 2.13GHz, 512 MB DDR2 RAM, 256 MB Geforce Go 6800 Ultra, 80 GB hdd
[01:15] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> its the highest end dell model available!
[01:16] <tseng> Unfrgiven: oh man
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> i was shocked
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> and its got a 17 inch screen. 1900x1200 native!
[01:16] <Lathiat> haha
[01:16] <Lathiat> nice
[01:17] <Lathiat> i already got a big laptop so im glad i got something smaller
[01:17] <Unfrgiven> www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_xps2
[01:17] <Lathiat> thatd make a killer desktop replacement
[01:21] <Unfrgiven> yeah my current laptop is an inspiron 5150 which has a 3.2Ghz P4... so i was hoping for something smaller, but i definately aint complaining :)
[01:21] <Unfrgiven> the XPS gets higher benchmarks than my p4-3.0Ghz 2GB RAM, 256MB X800 Pro desktop!
[01:22] <ajmitch> dude, don't need to rub it in :P
[01:22] <Lathiat> haha
[01:22] <Unfrgiven> sorry, wasnt intentional
[01:28] <Unfrgiven> anyways, i should get back to work. i'll talk to you guys soon.
[01:29] <bmonty> yeah, but how much does the XPS weigh?
[01:30] <Lathiat> approximately "1 metric fuckload" ?
[01:30] <bmonty> exactly
[01:34] <hub_> can someone enlighten me on the last comment  at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=472
[01:34] <hub_> 'cause it is a Mono binary
[01:35] <tseng> alot of mono packages come with arch-specific glue libs
[01:35] <tseng> if you have only dll/exe, its arch any
[01:36] <hub_> it is dll/exe
[01:36] <tseng> and he tells you you should change Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep in this case
[01:36] <hub_> ah ok
[01:36] <hub_> makes more sense
[01:37] <hub_> sorry
[01:37] <hub_> I'll update hugin first
[01:44] <hub_> tseng: but arch any make a package i386 when build
[01:45] <hub_> tseng: this could run on PowerPC verbatim
[01:45] <tseng> we mean "all" then I guess
[01:45] <tseng> i get them mixed up, since they seem to mean the same thing in english
[01:47] <hub_> they don't
[01:47] <hub_> any and all is not the same
[01:47] <tseng> i know
[01:47] <tseng> "i get them mixed up"
[01:48] <hub_> ok make sense
[02:21] <\sh> grmpf
[02:21] <Nafallo> \sh: morning :-)
[02:21] <\sh> Nafallo: yes..good morning...:(
[02:21] <\sh> I just came back from office...
[02:21] <\sh> I think I have to write a book: My Last Tax Adventure
[02:22] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:23] <\sh> at least I know now, that I can download commercial tax software :(
[02:23] <ogra> \sh, err... arent you supposed to be on holiday ?
[02:23] <\sh> ogra: I don't have a printer and I had to print out the tax documents
[02:23] <ogra> gah
[02:24] <\sh> never use "ElsterFormular" for Income Tax Stuff it doesn't work
[02:24] <\sh> I tried 3 hours of getting it to say "Yes, the date 01.01.2004 - 30.04.2004 is a correct date"
[02:25] <ogra> there is another project for linux ... approved by the ta office
[02:25] <ogra> tax even
[02:25] <\sh> after these 3 hours I was just p*ssed and downloaded buhl t@x software...
[02:25] <ogra> its elster compatible
[02:25] <\sh> yeah..buhl data
[02:25] <\sh> but I downloaded the first time (and paid) the wrong software...t@x 2004 means: Income Tax Program for the Year 2003 :(
[02:26] <ogra> a free project
[02:26] <\sh> ah you mean this webbased stuff?
[02:26] <ogra> nope... its tcl or something... form a uni
[02:26] <ogra> i'd have to look it up in a big stack of linux magazines...
[02:26] <\sh> ummm....name it, I use it...I paid this evening 30 euros for 2 bloody programs
[02:27] <ogra> dunno in which one it was mentioned
[02:27] <\sh> anyways...I just send my tax stuff to the tax department, printed the stuff via freepdfXP on this portege r200, transfered the pdf files to our company network and printed out there
[02:28] <\sh> and now it's just 2:30 GMT+2 and I have to go early this morning to Siegburg to deliver my tax documents *argh*
[02:36] <bddebian> Hey folks
[02:52] <\sh> ok...going to bed now...i have to get up early...cu tomorrow
[03:16] <ajmitch> good to see pitti fixing pgadmin3
[03:18] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[03:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: He is?
[03:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, removing frmo unmet deps on wiki now
[03:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nice.  pgaccess too?
[03:20] <ajmitch> haven't seen that on -changes
[03:20] <bddebian> Damn I need my upload rights.. :-(
[03:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: complain to Nafallo or someone
[03:22] <ajmitch> or I can do stuff in ~4 hours
[03:22] <Nafallo> what now? ;-)
[03:22] <ajmitch> Nafallo: bddebian wants you to upload crap again
[03:22] <bddebian> Damn man, you make it sound like that is a bad thing..:'-(
[03:22] <Nafallo> lol
[03:22] <Nafallo> bddebian: where is the debdiffs?
[03:23] <bddebian> Nafallo: MOTUGLUTransitions
[03:23] <bddebian> Nafallo: If you could look over the one I did for pefs pointless and the one I am about to post for drscheme, I would greatly appreciate too
[03:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Were you looking at poker3d?
[03:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: read pointless, seems you rock! :-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[03:28] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I read anyway
[03:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, I thought I you had said that,sorry
[03:29] <ajmitch> no matter whose debdiff :)
[03:29] <bddebian> Nafallo: ??
[03:30] <Nafallo> ajmitch: huh? ofcourse. I verify that bddebian rocks! couldn't have done it without reading ;-)
[03:30] <bddebian> Hmm, actually I think someone (ajmitch?) already finished off gl-117, kmatplot, and lightspeed??
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, not me
[03:30] <ajmitch> you could check the sig on breezy changes to see
[03:30] <slomo> bddebian: dholbach
[03:30] <bddebian> Ohh, rockin'
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:31] <bddebian> slomo: Have you ever gotten your upload rights?
[03:31] <slomo> bddebian: i don't know ;) nobody told me anything so i think the answer is no... i will probably get them together with you :)
[03:32] <bddebian> slomo: Well I may never get them.  I annoy elmo about as much as I annoy tseng :-)
[03:32] <Nafallo> bddebian: you _don't_ rock!
[03:32] <bddebian> Uh oh
[03:32] <bddebian> :-(
[03:33] <bddebian> What'd I do?
[03:33] <Nafallo> bddebian: I need a pastebin, hold on ;-)
[03:33] <slomo> bddebian: i annoy elmo too ;)
[03:33] <Nafallo> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2024
[03:34] <bddebian> I wasn't sure if all that config.* crap even needed to be there
[03:35] <bddebian> slomo: Did he ever sync your childsplay?
[03:35] <ajmitch> yes, childsplay is in
[03:35] <ajmitch> ouch, that's one messy rejection
[03:35] <bddebian> One reason I prefer just diff over debdiff at times :-)
[03:36] <slomo> bddebian: childsplay?
[03:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: debdiff is what works
[03:36] <bddebian> slomo: Isn't that what you wanted elmo to sync or am I on crack again?
[03:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: if you break it, then it's a bigger problem
[03:37] <slomo> bddebian: nope... i want ffmpeg and some other stuff in multiverse and some other binary packages deleted ;)
[03:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Break what?
[03:37] <bddebian> slomo: Oh sorry.
[03:38] <slomo> bddebian: np :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: you break the world
[03:38] <ajmitch> and everyone cries
[03:39] <slomo> ajmitch?
[03:39] <bddebian> Nah I just break the Universe!! ;-P
[03:40] <bddebian> Nafallo: Want me to fix that debdiff?
[03:41] <bddebian> Hello LaserJock, how's it coming?
[03:41] <LaserJock> well, I have some questions about ghemical
[03:42] <LaserJock> I worked through dependecies and such today at work and found that ghemical depends on libghemical
[03:43] <LaserJock> now, libghemical is in Debian unstable along with the version of ghemical that has the unmet dep
[03:43] <Lathiat> LaserJock: and?
[03:43] <LaserJock> so basically, if we took the .debs from Debian unstable I think everything would be fine
[03:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: Have you tried to build the Debian unstable version?
[03:44] <Lathiat> the problem is that the current version is failing to build
[03:45] <Lathiat> (last version that built is 1.1)
[03:45] <Lathiat> we have 1.5 in source
[03:45] <LaserJock> well, that's the thing. I think that they are missing a dep and really we need to bump the version of ghemical up
[03:45] <Lathiat> and its failign to build be of libghemical-dev
[03:45] <LaserJock> we need 1.9 to get gtk2
[03:45] <Lathiat> LaserJock: ooh
[03:45] <Lathiat> LaserJock: thatd be cool
[03:45] <Lathiat> ..
[03:45] <Lathiat> where the hell does libghemical come from
[03:45] <Lathiat> or is that a package we need to sync
[03:45] <Lathiat> thats new
[03:46] <Nafallo> bddebian: I won't touch it before you tell me you've done that ;-)
[03:46] <bddebian> Nafallo: Can I just hack out that garbage or did I actually do something wrong?
[03:46] <bddebian> Nafallo: Can you look at the drscheme one in the mean time?
[03:46] <Lathiat> LaserJock: only 1.5 is in debian
[03:47] <LaserJock> well, I found that to get ghemical 1.9 (or 1.5) we need libghemical. and to get libghemical we need mopac7 (in Debian unstable), mpqc (in ubuntu), and libopenbabel(also in ubuntu)
[03:47] <Nafallo> bddebian: no idea :-). I just saw alot of patches failing :-P
[03:47] <Lathiat> ok i see
[03:48] <Lathiat> LaserJock: so yes, we wneed to sync libghemical
[03:48] <LaserJock> in other words, if we just want ghemical 1.5 we just need to get libghemical from Debian unstable
[03:48] <Lathiat> rigt
[03:48] <Lathiat> so we just need to ask elmo
[03:48] <Lathiat> i can do that if you like
[03:48] <LaserJock> but, the libghemical in Debian I think has a fatal flaw because it doesn't use MOPAC7 wich is pretty neccesary for it to be useful
[03:49] <Lathiat> oh?
[03:49] <Lathiat> LaserJock: does it just need a build-dep or what
[03:50] <LaserJock> well, it  is a flag in the compilation that they haven't set
[03:50] <Lathiat> how much functionality does this remove?
[03:50] <LaserJock> a lot
[03:50] <LaserJock> basically, I wouldn't use it if it didn't have it
[03:50] <Lathiat> i used to use this program
[03:50] <Lathiat> it was rather nifty
[03:51] <LaserJock> mopac7 is the molecular mechanics part. mpqc is the quantum mechanical part
[03:51] <Lathiat> ah
[03:51] <LaserJock> without mopact you could look at your molecules, but you couldn't do much with them
[03:51] <Lathiat> right
[03:52] <Lathiat> what package is that in?
[03:52] <Lathiat> libopenbabel?
[03:52] <LaserJock> the thing is, mopac7 is in Debian unstable so I don't know why they didn't use it
[03:52] <LaserJock> it is just mopac7
[03:52] <Lathiat> ooh i see
[03:52] <LaserJock> the old ghemical had it built in I think
[03:53] <Lathiat> well
[03:53] <Lathiat> i'll try get them
[03:53] <Lathiat> and build them
[03:53] <Lathiat> and see what happens
[03:54] <ajmitch> ah, azeem is the ghemical maintainer
[03:54] <ajmitch> interesting
[03:55] <LaserJock> well, I'm building them currently with pbuilder
[03:55] <LaserJock> I am just trying to get the hang of this packaging thing :-)
[03:55] <Lathiat> hehe
[03:55] <Lathiat> pbuildering will b ea little fun
[03:55] <Lathiat> cus you have to stuck in the new mopac7 packages
[03:55] <Lathiat> i have no idea how to do that
[03:56] <LaserJock> me neither
[03:56] <ajmitch> looks like the maintainer of ghemical is gone for the night
[03:56] <ajmitch> otherwise you could ask him about it
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hi all
[03:56] <LaserJock> what about bumping the version up to 0.9? The problem is that it is not in Debian.
[03:57] <Lathiat> what isnt in debian?
[03:57] <LaserJock> 0.9
[03:57] <LaserJock> of ghemical
[03:57] <Lathiat> 0.9 of whwat
[03:57] <Lathiat> oh
[03:57] <Lathiat> is it needed?
[03:57] <Lathiat> 1.9 i assume you mean
[03:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so file a bug in debian
[03:57] <LaserJock> well, it is gtk2 instead of gtk1
[03:57] <Lathiat> well, thats not -needed-
[03:57] <Lathiat> LaserJock: probably best to have a achat to the maintainer
[03:57] <Lathiat> ask why mopac isnt used
[03:57] <Lathiat> and why 1.9 isnt there
[03:58] <LaserJock> yeah, ok
[04:00] <bddebian> How the hell do you troubleshoot patching problems?? :-(
[04:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: you don't, you fix them ;)
[04:00] <Lathiat> bddebian: haha
[04:00] <LaserJock> well, mopac7 from debian unstable built in pbuilder and installed ok, I think
[04:00] <Lathiat> bd	whats the problem
[04:00] <Lathiat> LaserJock: yeh here too
[04:00] <bddebian> Lathiat: Just fuzz/fail stuff but it makes no sense
[04:01] <Lathiat> bddebian: patch probably isnt in the right patch level?
[04:01] <Lathiat> and if theres like files with the same name it will get confused
[04:01] <Lathiat> patches need to be from the root of the tree
[04:01] <bddebian> Everything succeeded but the debian/rules portion
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well how do I "fix" them then???
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends on what's wrong
[04:08] <ajmitch> I usually just look over it by eye
[04:08] <ajmitch> sometimes it's tab/space mixups
[04:08] <bddebian> I am and it looks correct
[04:09] <bddebian> Ohhh, a tab maybe.. Hmm
[04:10] <LaserJock> Lathiat: so should I email the Debian maintainer, Michael Banck?
[04:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, could be best to file a wishlist bug
[04:11] <ajmitch> in debian
[04:14] <LaserJock> well, I got libghemical built and installed
[04:15] <LaserJock> is there a way with pbuilder to build a package when one of the dependencies is something that is not in the repos?
[04:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, I fixed the tab/space issue but same errors :-(
[04:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: best way is to put them in a local repository yourself, and reference that repository from within pbuilder
[04:17] <ajmitch> which take a bit of tweaking
[04:17] <LaserJock> hmm, so would it be easier to do it without pbuilder?
[04:20] <ajmitch> maybe
[04:21] <bddebian> Ah-ha
[04:21] <bddebian> Is succeeded with FUZZ X OK?
[04:26] <bddebian> Nafallo: Still here?
[04:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: yepp :-(
[04:28] <Nafallo> s/:-(/:-)/
[04:28] <bddebian> :-)
[04:28] <bddebian> Nafallo: Would you mind trying pointless again?
[04:28] <Nafallo> bddebian: nope :-)
[04:29] <bddebian> You are a man of many words ;-)
[04:29] <Nafallo> bddebian: debdiff on the same place? :-)
[04:29] <bddebian> Aye
[04:29] <Nafallo> bddebian: it's just that it's feels pointless ;-)
[04:30] <bddebian> lol
[04:30] <Nafallo> hehe, only fuzz on debian/rules now :-P
[04:33] <Nafallo> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is pointless
[04:33] <Nafallo> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.5-5ubuntu3
[04:33] <Nafallo> dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>
[04:33] <Nafallo>  fakeroot debian/rules clean
[04:33] <Nafallo> debian/rules:36: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[04:33] <Nafallo> lol!
[04:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:33] <ajmitch> yay
[04:34] <slomo> probably spaces instead of tab or somethin similar ;)
[04:34] <ajmitch> as said before
[04:34] <bddebian> Bah fuxx0r
[04:38] <Nafallo> patching file src/primitive.h
[04:38] <Nafallo> Hunk #1 FAILED at 106.
[04:38] <Nafallo> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file src/primitive.h.rej
[04:38] <Nafallo> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[04:38] <Nafallo> bddebian: could you run it through a pbuilder next time please? :-P
[04:38] <ajmitch> I guess the clean target doesn't properly unpatch
[04:44] <bddebian> This frickin' sucks
[04:58] <bddebian> Nafallo: Did you happen to try the drscheme debdiff?
[05:01] <Nafallo> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2026
[05:02] <slomo> bddebian: are you testing your stuff in pbuilder?
[05:02] <bddebian> fuck
[05:04] <Nafallo> I don't care to sign unbuildable stuff :-P
[05:06] <ajmitch> pdebuild makes the tree dirty
[05:06] <Nafallo> what's the diffrence?
[05:07] <ajmitch> pbuilder build builds out of tree
[05:07] <ajmitch> unpacks it in the location specified by your config
[05:08] <bddebian> This is utter bullshit
[05:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: but so much fun
[05:11] <khermans> how can i submit our package into the repos?
[05:11] <ajmitch> what package?
[05:11] <khermans> nzbget
[05:11] <ajmitch> the general procedure is to put it up for review
[05:12] <khermans> on sourceforge
[05:12] <ajmitch> and we give you feedback, get things fixed, and once it's ready, it can be imported
[05:12] <ajmitch> "As of 2004-10-08 10:20, this project is no longer under active development. "
[05:12] <ajmitch> that doesn't look promising at all
[05:13] <bddebian> can some PLEASE help me fix this soI understand wtf is going on??
[05:13] <khermans> ajmitch, hehe
[05:13] <khermans> ajmitch, actually that was set by the old maintainer
[05:13] <ajmitch> ok, so it's being worked on again?
[05:13] <khermans> ajmitch, yes, we just release new versions recently
[05:13] <ajmitch> yeah, good
[05:14] <ajmitch> so is there a package built for it?
[05:14] <khermans> 0.2.3 sept 5, 2005
[05:14] <ajmitch> a debian package, that is
[05:14] <khermans> ajmitch, i have not built a deb, dont know how you guys run that process
[05:14] <ajmitch> I see tarballs there
[05:14] <ajmitch> ok
[05:15] <ajmitch> either you could learn it, or put up some details on wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates to ask for people to package it :)
[05:15] <ajmitch> however that list is fairly long
[05:15] <khermans> ajmitch, learn it?  you mean actually writing the deb file by hand?
[05:15] <khermans> ajmitch, isnt there a util to package it up?
[05:16] <ajmitch> there are ways to help you get started
[05:16] <ajmitch> but you still need to tailor it to your package
[05:16] <khermans> ajmitch, is there an online HOWTO or something
[05:17] <ajmitch> eg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips
[05:17] <khermans> ajmitch, how long from submitting it for review to getting it in there officially?
[05:17] <ajmitch> Debian New Maintainer's guide is a start
[05:17] <ajmitch> khermans: depends on how much work it needs
[05:17] <ajmitch> it may not get in for breezy, depending on how busy we are, too
[05:18] <khermans> ajmitch, thx for info -- will investigate and come back later dude :-)
[05:18] <ajmitch> ok
[05:19] <bddebian> OK, who do I have to beg, what do I have to do??? :'-(
[05:20] <slomo> bddebian: me tomorrow when no one else wanted to until then ;)
[05:20] <slomo> gn8 everybody :)
[05:20] <Nafallo> slomo: night
[05:20] <bddebian> Gnight slomo
[05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm free in maybe 2 hours to sit down & help out
[05:21] <ajmitch> but I guess you'll be gone by then
[05:21] <bddebian> Probably :-(
[05:26] <ajmitch> debian BSP coming up this weekend
[05:26] <ajmitch> so we might be able to merge a few fixes
[05:30] <ajmitch> yay, might get pam 0.79 in unstable soon, it's the other main part i want for selinux
[05:30] <ajmitch> hello rob^
[05:31] <rob^> hi ajmitch
[05:57] <bddebian> OK I think I almost have it.  What is malformed patch at line 80 mean?
[06:29] <bddebian> Bah, I give up for the night.  Gnight folks.
[09:02] <wickedpuppy> hi guys does anyone knows how is /lib/modules/<kernel> is generated ? by what program ?
[09:04] <tritium> robitaille, video/console modules?
[09:05] <robitaille> yes
[09:05] <wickedpuppy> eh then you know how are those generated ? i am making initrd and in my kernel module fs , there is no ext3
[09:06] <wickedpuppy> does that mean my kernel won't support ext3 ?
[09:06] <tritium> wickedpuppy, dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r), and you'll see that the modules are in that package
[09:06] <wickedpuppy> eh no .. i downloaded kernel source from kernel.org and using genkernel to make kernel + initrd
[09:07] <tritium> you're not happy with ubuntu kernel images or kernel source?
[09:07] <wickedpuppy> nope my work requires me to build a live cd with specific kernel
[09:07] <tritium> ok
[09:07] <wickedpuppy> thats why
[09:08] <wickedpuppy> if not use /vmlinuz
[09:08] <tritium> bed time
[09:19] <siretart> morning folks
[09:19] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm now off for a week, holidays.
[09:20] <siretart> ajmitch: can you please ask elmo about syncing darcs from unstable? I verified it builds in breezy
[09:20] <siretart> thank you, and have a great week, folks!
[09:27] <dholbach> good morning
[09:27] <robitaille> hi dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> hey robitaille :)
[09:48] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:49] <dholbach> hey andrew
[09:49] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:49] <dholbach> i'm fine, thanks :)
[09:49] <dholbach> how are you? :)
[09:49] <ajmitch> almost alive
[09:49] <ajmitch> but it's friday night here
[09:50] <ajmitch> so I'm allowed to sleep soon ;)
[09:51] <dholbach> hehe
[09:52] <ajmitch> what have you been up to this week?
[09:53] <dholbach> i uploaded the new gnome with seb, reviewed a couple of packages, did some bits of bug triage
[09:55] <ajmitch> great
[09:56] <ajmitch> well I know I made a few uploads
[09:56] <ajmitch> & bug closing
[09:56] <dholbach> you absolutely did
[09:56] <ajmitch> & debian uploads
[09:57] <ajmitch> & unfinished meeting minutes :)
[10:01] <jsgotangco> i just bummed around
[10:34] <torkel> Mithrandir: ping?
[10:35] <Mithrandir> pong
[11:21] <torkel> Mithrandir: is there any ia32-lib universe package?
[11:21] <ajmitch> sigh, I got the rejection email already
[11:22] <Mithrandir> torkel: there's ia32-libs in main
[11:23] <torkel> Mithrandir: I need to run a HP 32-bit only binary (cli for Smart Array) on an AMD64, that depends on libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 which comes from universe :-(
[11:24] <Mithrandir> torkel: you could just download the i386 deb and unpack that in the right place
[11:24] <torkel> Mithrandir: yeah. Guess I'm just lazy :-)
[11:25] <Mithrandir> torkel: I really don't want to create more ia32-libs-style packages; they're hideous
[11:26] <torkel> Mithrandir: yeah
[11:27] <torkel> just thought I should ask :-)
[11:37] <ajmitch> hi koke
[11:37] <koke> hi all! :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:38] <dholbach> hey koke
[11:38] <dholbach> how's it going?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:38] <ajmitch> dholbach! :)
[11:41] <koke> well, playing with rubyonrails :)
[12:35] <\sh> moins
[12:36] <dholbach> hey \sh
[12:37] <\sh> just eating sth...coming back from tax department :(
[12:38] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting-2005-09-07
[12:38] <ajmitch> please fix up & add in comments before I send it out :)
[12:39] <\sh> go from me very good
[12:41] <Lathiat> there was a meeting 2 days ago?
[12:41] <Lathiat> bah
[12:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes..
[12:41] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar ;)
[12:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well it was at 6am your time, again ;)
[12:41] <ajmitch> so you probably would have still been up
[12:41] <Lathiat> you mean 4am
[12:42] <Lathiat> thing is, i proabably was up ;p
[12:42] <ajmitch> 22:00UTC?
[12:47] <ajmitch> ok, updated with names of people who were present
[12:48] <ajmitch> (judging solely by names of people who spoke up at least once) ;)
[12:54] <ajmitch> any volunteers to send out the mail & organise this bug day in a week?
[12:55] <\sh> bddebian volunteered, right?
[12:55] <ajmitch> not that I saw
[12:55] <ajmitch> I'll ask him when I see him
[12:55] <\sh> i don't recall this issue
[12:56] <ajmitch> no, but we need to get onto it in the next couple of days :)
[12:56] <ajmitch> I can write up an email, I guess
[12:56] <\sh> ok...yeah..we will ;)
[12:57] <ajmitch> ubuntu-users & ubuntu-devel, who else needs to hear?
[12:57] <\sh> kubuntu-devel?
[12:57] <\sh> hehe
[12:58] <ajmitch> but I think the community running a bug day should be reasonable
[12:58] <ajmitch> there's a debian one this weekend
[12:59] <\sh> ogra: ping is it ok with tomorrow? :)
[01:00] <ogra> \sh, sure :)
[01:00] <\sh> cool
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> bug day, nice. :)
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> But rather have people go through the list of NEED INFO bugs, so they can actually get fixed for a change?
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> People report bugs, but register with email accounts they don't check, spamfilter eats bugzilla mails, so a lot of bugs stay open indefinatly waiting for some useful information.
[01:05] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: we'll mainly focus on universe
[01:05] <ajmitch> since we're MOTUs
[01:05] <ajmitch> but we'll do what we can
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> Expand it. :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: sure, get us 10x more people with twice as much time
[01:06] <HiddenWolf> the same goes for malone btw. Now the number of bugs is managable.
[01:06] <HiddenWolf> debug the bugs. :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> we're still stretched fairly thin here :)
[01:09] <HiddenWolf> I know. I'd be happy to help, if I can get the time.
[01:09] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-bugs, 17th Sept
[01:09] <ajmitch> details will follow in a mail in the next day or two :)
[01:10] <HiddenWolf> Ugh, I've got a party and a dentists appointment on the 16th. I guess I'll be busted. :)
[01:11] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: you'll be fine ;)
[01:11] <ajmitch> we'll still have plenty of work in the days following
[01:11] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'm not a programmer just yet, trying to be tho. ;)
[01:12] <ajmitch> you don't need to be a programmer to follow up on bugs
[01:12] <HiddenWolf> I know, I'm browsing bugzilla now.
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> filing and following up on random people's bugs.
[01:17] <ajmitch> ok
[01:17] <ajmitch> good to hear :)
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> Well yeah, there are bugs open that everyone has noticed, but still up as NEED INFO. That's just dumb.
[01:21] <ajmitch> NEEDINFO in order to solve
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> We'd have ntp timing out on all pc's with a bit of latency due to the original reporter not following up with the requested information, for example.
[01:27] <slomo> godd morning ;)
[01:27] <ajmitch> hi slomo
[01:27] <ajmitch> how are you?
[01:28] <slomo> extremly tired :/ i better get back to bed later ;)
[01:29] <ajmitch> heh
[01:30] <ajmitch> stayed up too late last night?
[01:31] <slomo> yes... 5:XY and i'm awake since 10:00 because of some people working to loud in the neighborhood :/
[01:32] <slomo> btw... what happened to breezy-changes? almost nothing the laster hours...
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> slomo, preview freeze, bugfix modes. :)
[01:34] <slomo> oh... no, broken fetchmail :) there were some changes ;)
[01:36] <ajmitch> party on in flat next door, I won't be getting any sleep for awhile
[01:37] <\sh> ajmitch: me needs a drink as well..
[01:38] <ajmitch> yeah, for different reason :)
[01:39] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here give me a rundown on how to get a decent backtrace?
[01:47] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: The trick is often to get it to die before it dies.
[01:48] <jbailey> backtraces in gdb often have the problem that they're trying to get the information *after* the stack has already been corrupted.
[01:49] <jbailey> use 'break' to set the breakpoint at some time when you know it works, then get it closer and closer to the mark that you want, and step/next until you get to the failure point and can see what's happening.
[02:20] <pef> hello !
[02:20] <Nafallo> morning pef.
[02:20] <pef> Nafallo: thanks for uploading my debdiffs :)
[02:20] <Nafallo> pef: no problem :-). but poker3d didn't build here.
[02:21] <ajmitch> hi pef, Nafallo
[02:22] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[02:22] <ajmitch> so what should I work on now?
[02:22] <ajmitch> since I won't be getting any sleep
[02:22] <pef> ajmitch: hello :)
[02:23] <pef> Nafallo: within pbuilder ?
[02:23] <Nafallo> pef: yes, something about bad libX something. I could run it again ;-)
[02:24] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[02:24] <ivoks> colony4 doesn't boot on one 30 computers!
[02:24] <ivoks> on 30, not one :)
[02:24] <ajmitch> tried preview?
[02:25] <ivoks> no
[02:25] <ajmitch> what doesn't work?
[02:25] <ivoks> it detects disks and stops
[02:25] <ivoks> kernel freezes
[02:25] <ajmitch> hm
[02:25] <ajmitch> nasty
[02:25] <ivoks> sata disks
[02:25] <ivoks> but, netboot works
[02:25] <ajmitch> test preview, file bugs :)
[02:25] <ivoks> with netboot i have another problem - doesn't support yukon ethernet :)
[02:25] <ajmitch> I think there was stuff fixed about that before preview
[02:25] <ajmitch> aha
[02:26] <ivoks> where is preview?
[02:26] <slomo> jbailey: ping
[02:26] <ajmitch> releases.ubuntu.com, iirc
[02:27] <jbailey> slomo: pong
[02:27] <ajmitch> jeff! :)
[02:27] <jbailey> andrew!
[02:27] <Nafallo> ivoks: CC.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[02:27] <ivoks> ok
[02:28] <ivoks> Nafallo is that http?
[02:28] <Nafallo> ivoks: yes
[02:28] <Nafallo> ivoks: and CC = CountryCode :-)
[02:28] <ivoks> lol
[02:28] <slomo> jbailey: i can't plug a serial cable into the ibook... it has no serial interface ;) but are you sure the drivers are not built into the kernel? the first message about a ramdisk is in the line over the panic where it says incomplete write (or when that is fixed) found ramdisk at block 0 or something similar
[02:28] <Nafallo> \sh: ping
[02:29] <\sh> Nafallo: pong
[02:29] <Nafallo> \sh: got any changes for gajim?
[02:29] <Nafallo> \sh: I'm planning to add sv.po ;-)
[02:31] <\sh> Nafallo: no :(
[02:31] <\sh> Nafallo: do it ;)
[02:31] <Nafallo> pef: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2041
[02:31] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[02:32] <pef> Nafallo: thanks !
[02:34] <pef> Nafallo: works for me and builds into pbuilder, strange :] 
[02:35] <Nafallo> pef: hmm :-/
[02:36] <ivoks> Nafallo there is no hr.releases :) and no uk.releases
[02:36] <ivoks> i'm using jigdo now :/
[02:38] <ivoks> i'm afraid this is useless... i'm sure installation kernel doesn't support yukon ethernet...
[02:38] <Nafallo> ivoks: well, uk is releases.ubuntu.com. I thought you knew the datacenter was UK? :-)
[02:39] <Nafallo> ivoks: se. has 2.4Gbit/s IIRC ;-)
[02:39] <ivoks> Nafallo hm... then it's too slow...
[02:39] <ivoks> thanks
[02:40] <\sh> ivoks: what about yukon?
[02:40] <Nafallo> np :-)
[02:40] <\sh> ivoks: marvel yukon sk98lin driver are not in the kernel, will never be...they're rewriting the stuff and skge runs only with some yukons
[02:41] <ivoks> eh..
[02:42] <ivoks> :(
[02:42] <ivoks> i have yukon cards here
[02:42] <ivoks> and wanted to do kickstart install
[02:42] <ivoks> without CD
[02:42] <\sh> ivoks: so u have to tweak your initrd just like me for the r200
[02:42] <ivoks> damn...
[02:42] <ivoks> \sh could you guide me on that?
[02:42] <ivoks> i know how to do it
[02:42] <ivoks> but every time i get kernel panic :)
[02:43] <\sh> ivoks: you compile the upstream sk98lin drivers as patch into your kernel
[02:43] <\sh> 2.6.12 it is
[02:43] <ivoks> i even compiled kernel with yukon driver
[02:43] <ivoks> ok, did that
[02:44] <\sh> with the orig yukon driver in the kernel? skge doesn't work ;) u need the drivers from syskonnect
[02:44] <ivoks> it works with this driver
[02:44] <\sh> ok....
[02:44] <ivoks> i had linux on this machines before
[02:44] <\sh> then...
[02:44] <\sh> do it  as module ;)
[02:44] <ivoks> ok
[02:45] <\sh> copy the initrd.gz from <cdrom mntpoint>/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz to a better place
[02:45] <\sh> then gunzip initrd.gz
[02:45] <\sh> mkdir initrdmntpoint
[02:45] <ivoks> mount :)
[02:45] <\sh> sudo mount -o loop initrd initrdmntpoint
[02:46] <\sh> cp <fromdir>/skge.ko initrdmntpoint/lib/modules/2.6.12-*/kernel/drivers/net/<eventually skge dir>/skge.ko
[02:46] <\sh> umount initrdmntpoint
[02:46] <\sh> gzip initrd
[02:46] <\sh> cp initrd.gz <cdrom mntpoint>/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz
[02:46] <ivoks> ah...
[02:46] <ivoks> i tought i can't write to initrd :)
[02:46] <ivoks> silly me
[02:46] <\sh> its a ramdisk ;)
[02:47] <ivoks> i mixed it up with iso :)
[02:47] <ivoks> eh... Makefile should produce -8-386
[02:47] <\sh> no
[02:48] <\sh> u have to adjust the Makefile
[02:48] <ivoks> right
[02:48] <ivoks> or do append version in kernel
[02:48] <\sh> adjust the makefile...so the module version symbols are ok..
[02:48] <ivoks> thanks
[02:48] <\sh> but i needed it the last time with 2.6.12-3 /-4
[02:48] <\sh> after this no more
[02:49] <ivoks> thanks for the initrd trick
[02:49] <\sh> it's a bad hack dude
[02:49] <ivoks> other stuff i know allready
[02:50] <\sh> officially ubuntu doesn't work with new marvel yukons :( which are in need of the syskonnect driver, but as fabbione said: it's a mess to integrate this filth into the kernel...and they're rewriting sk98lin from scratch
[02:50] <\sh> ;)
[02:50] <ivoks> np
[02:50] <ivoks> but for some, driver that is in kernel, works
[02:51] <ivoks> \sh did you try install with kickstart?
[02:51] <\sh> ivoks: pxe boot
[02:51] <ivoks> yes
[02:52] <ivoks> on other machines everything vent fine
[02:52] <\sh> ivoks: pxe is booting via dhcp and tftpd
[02:52] <ivoks> except, i had to partition it manually
[02:52] <\sh> but to pull the packages from the install media I need a network connection for the apache connect
[02:52] <ivoks> \sh yes, and then you add something like ks=http://somewhere/ks.cfg
[02:52] <\sh> if you want preseeding
[02:53] <\sh> i do a normal install via pxe
[02:53] <ivoks> i do... it's 30 machines :)
[02:53] <ivoks> no, make that 50
[02:53] <\sh> but you can adjust the partioning in the preseed file
[02:53] <ivoks> 30 aren't working :)
[02:53] <ivoks> i did
[02:53] <ivoks> that's the problem...
[02:53] <\sh> u explained it on -devel?
[02:53] <ivoks> no, i tried today
[02:54] <ivoks> i have to test it one more time
[02:55] <ivoks> tryed
[02:56] <ivoks> ah, i know where is problem
[02:57] <ivoks> there are two partitions... not free space on disk
[02:57] <sjmorgan> is this the place to ask questions about multiverse or just universe?
[02:57] <ivoks> so, it couldn't create partitions
[02:57] <ivoks> sjmorgan about development?
[02:57] <sjmorgan> well i have 2 questions, 1 of which is about multiverse
[02:58] <sjmorgan> i'm wondering where the mplayer packages have gone basically
[02:58] <sjmorgan> there only seems to be one for amd64
[02:58] <sjmorgan> i'm using breezy btw
[02:59] <ivoks> sjmorgan mplayer-586
[02:59] <ivoks> not just mplayer
[03:00] <sjmorgan> hrrm weird, but thanks
[03:00] <sjmorgan> i did an apt-cache search mplayer and got nothing
[03:00] <ivoks> try again
[03:01] <sjmorgan> wtf
[03:01] <ajmitch>      1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu7 0
[03:01] <ajmitch>        1200 http://10.18.1.1 breezy/multiverse Packages
[03:01] <ajmitch> works for me(tm)
[03:01] <sjmorgan> yeah it works here now :/
[03:01] <ajmitch> yes I have weird apt pinning ;)
[03:01] <sjmorgan> well my other question is would it be possible to pull in quodlibet 0.12 from debian?
[03:02] <sjmorgan> i'm assuming that's where you source it from
[03:02] <ivoks> panic
[03:02] <ivoks> preview doesn't work too :)
[03:02] <sjmorgan> ?
[03:09] <\sh> ok...i will sleep for 1 1/2 hour...my system has to calm down ;-)
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <dholbach> hey bddebian :)
[03:55] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Morning dholbach, ajmitch
[03:57] <bddebian> So which of you have time to help me fix this fscking debdiff? :)
[03:58] <ajmitch> it's only 2am here, why not?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: have a beer
[03:58] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I think I might need one :)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> let us drown ourselvess ia sea of  debauchey
[03:58] <bddebian> ajmitch: 2am is that all? :-)
[03:58] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: heh
[03:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah, I'm lying in bed using the laptop
[04:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: so do you have a debdiff for me to look at?
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: SOrry, actually "work" mode :-)
[04:06] <ajmitch> ah ok
[04:06] <bddebian> ajmitch: http://www.bddebian.com/packages/ubuntu/pointless/
[04:06] <ajmitch> wasn't sure if you'd be at work yet or not
[04:07] <ajmitch> the debdiff itself would have been nicer :P
[04:07] <bddebian> It's the only file in that dir, sheesh
[04:08] <bddebian> http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/pointless/pointless_0.5-5ubuntu3.debdiff
[04:08] <ajmitch> yes, so I had to open firefox, copy url, go to terminal, paste url to wget :)
[04:08] <bddebian> That's what I do :-)
[04:08] <ajmitch> ugh
[04:08] <bddebian> ugh?
[04:10] <ajmitch> ok
[04:10] <ajmitch> patching file pointless-0.5/debian/control
[04:10] <ajmitch> patching file pointless-0.5/debian/rules
[04:10] <ajmitch> Hunk #1 succeeded at 31 with fuzz 2.
[04:10] <ajmitch> Hunk #2 succeeded at 49 with fuzz 1.
[04:10] <ajmitch> patching file pointless-0.5/debian/patches/gcc4_build_fix.patch
[04:10] <ajmitch> patch: **** malformed patch at line 82:
[04:10] <ajmitch> that's what you're getting at the moment, right?
[04:11] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes :'-(
[04:12] <ajmitch> fun
[04:14] <ajmitch> ok, splitdiff still gives a malformed patch
[04:16] <ajmitch> ok, fixed that part
[04:16] <ajmitch> must have been a missing line of context, because adjusting the +1,15 to +1,14 worked
[04:17] <ajmitch> have to see if it builds now :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> ok, patch fails, no huge surprises there
[04:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: What do you mean no surprise?? :-(
[04:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: well the patch would probably have been broken in debian/patches
[04:21] <ajmitch> so fixing the debdiff doesn't mean I fixed the other patch
[04:23] <bddebian> The patch works, just the diff is b0rked for some reason. :-(
[04:23] <ajmitch> nah
[04:23] <ajmitch> I checked the patch in the BTS against your one
[04:24] <ajmitch> differing tab/space
[04:24] <ajmitch> so I've stuck that one in & it's working
[04:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: good news is that it builds cleanly
[04:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: I originally did this with the patch from BTS
[04:30] <ajmitch> well it got munged
[04:30] <ajmitch> want me to upload now?
[04:32] <HiddenWolf> So, is there any motu-specific documentation for the starting programmer? :)
[04:32] <ajmitch> you don't need to be a programmer to do MOTU work
[04:33] <ajmitch> it's mainly packaging
[04:33] <ajmitch> some scripting involved, sometimes fixing buggy code..
[04:33] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: It's just slave labor.. ;-P
[04:33] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, it helps if you understand at least the basics, I presume. :)
[04:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: essentially
[04:33] <HiddenWolf> bddebian, I'm familiar with the concept, thanks. :)
[04:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sure, please but I really need to understand why it didn't work since I seem to have a similar problem with the patch I did for drscheme
[04:34] <ajmitch> there are a number of wiki pages like PackagingTips, MOTUWannabeTips
[04:34] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, so where do I start?
[04:34] <ajmitch> at this stage we're mainly fixing up as many packages as we can before release
[04:35] <ajmitch> lists of stuff to do on MOTUTodo
[04:35] <HiddenWolf> You guys should have a start page, much like /UserDocumentation
[04:35] <bddebian> HiddenWolf: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps for work but the two wiki's that ajmitch pointed out
[04:35] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: feel free to write one, like /MOTU ?
[04:35] <ajmitch> 2 of the urls listed so far are in the topic
[04:35] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'm planning an /ThingsThatChaseMeFromUbuntuLinux ;)
[04:36] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: ok
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> I was sorely tempted for an rm -rf / yesterday.
[04:36] <ajmitch> why?
[04:37] <HiddenWolf> OOo choked on a critical .ppt, and I couldn't get evince to work nicely with any of my school's pdfs so far.
[04:37] <ajmitch> aha
[04:37] <HiddenWolf> I'm missing features, and my printer is mising half it's functionality.
[04:39] <HiddenWolf> Starting next week I'll have 3/4 lectures a week with 20-40 sheets a piece. Either in ppt or in pdf. I need to be able to print those, preferably 4-8 a page.
[04:39] <HiddenWolf> Can't have OOO choke on the excel sheets that explain economical theory either...
[04:39] <ajmitch> heh, fun :)
[04:39] <ajmitch> sadly, it's not in our area of fixits
[04:40] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I know.
[04:40] <HiddenWolf> OOO is just a POS that should be banned, as far as I'm concerned. poppler is so buggy that I can't believe they use it as default evince backend.
[04:40] <HiddenWolf> And Cups, what shall I say...
[04:41] <HiddenWolf> sending a job to my printer, and not popping up errors, yet not reaching the printer either. That's just sad.
[04:42] <HiddenWolf> I can print now, as long as I stick to 1 page/page and non-duplex, which isn't what I got the printer for. :P
[04:42] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, no, that's where I go loose. ;)
[04:42] <ajmitch> haha
[04:42] <ajmitch> I'd love to see that one ;)
[04:44] <HiddenWolf> *g*
[04:56] <pef_aw> Nafallo: pbuilder log of poker3d http://dev.erodia.net/tmp/poker3d_pbuilder.log
[04:56] <bddebian> poker3d.. w00t
[04:57] <pef_aw> huh ?
[04:57] <Nafallo> pef_aw: strange, I'll kick it again after blam :-)
[04:58] <bddebian> pef: Hey, I hope you don't mind me looking at pointless and drscheme
[04:59] <pef> bddebian: I'm back from work, I'm looking at rightly now :)
[04:59] <bddebian> pef: I think ajmitch may have uploaded the pointless fix already
[05:00] <ajmitch> not yet
[05:00] <ajmitch> will do now
[05:00] <bddebian> Ohh
[05:00] <bddebian> Got to install some software, bbiam
[05:01] <pef> ok, so I look for drscheme
[05:14] <pef> have to leave again :/
[05:22] <ajmitch> night all
[05:22] <tseng> bye
[05:22] <slomo> night ajmitch :)
[05:25] <\sh> re
[05:28] <\sh> grmpf...dircproxy restart
[05:33] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[05:33] <\sh> hey bddebian
[05:34] <\sh> brb
[05:42] <jsgotangco> HiddenWolf: nice wiki page heh
[05:42] <HiddenWolf> jsgotangco, yeah, I'll update it with my own experience in a bit, but yesterday I figured out that cups, evince and OOO make me totally unproductive.
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i was like wtf at the start
[05:43] <jsgotangco> but i was reading it a bit..
[05:43] <HiddenWolf> Before classes started, for one subject, I had about 20 .docs, pdfs and ppt/xls to go over. Evince and OOo didn't like that.
[05:47] <\sh> ok..what do i need for this evening? some beer...some pringles....iron maiden....and emacs
[05:48] <\sh> that means I have to hurry to the shop
[05:48] <Nafallo> \sh: make that use_gpg_agent-option for Gajim graphical :-)
[05:49] <\sh> Nafallo: I want to integrate launchpad stuff this evening and then tweaking the ui
[05:49] <\sh> it's weekend ;)
[05:49] <Nafallo> \sh: rock on, I'll probably be her to help out. deps: girlfriends mood ;-)
[05:51] <\sh> Nafallo: don't worry...gf comes first ,-)
[05:53] <\sh> k...hurring to the shop ;)
[05:54] <bddebian> \sh: Emacs?? WTF.  Nano baby ;-)
[05:56] <jsgotangco> he's only paying homage to the one true editor
[05:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:56] <slomo> bddebian: nano? what do you want to do with nano? ;)
[05:59] <bddebian> slomo: nano r0x j00 baby ;-)
[06:00] <LaserJock> heah guys, I got a reply from the Debian ghemical maintainer
[06:00] <ivoks> check out spam i got today :)
[06:00] <ivoks> From: 	webmaster@ubuntu.com
[06:00] <ivoks> To: 	ivoks@ubuntu.com
[06:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: And?
[06:00] <ivoks> :)
[06:00] <slomo> ivoks: lol :) what was written in the mail?
[06:01] <bddebian> ivoks: Nice one :-)
[06:01] <ivoks> Dear user ivoks,
[06:01] <ivoks> You have successfully updated the password of your Ubuntu account.
[06:01] <ivoks> :)
[06:01] <ivoks> If you did not authorize this change or if you need assistance with your account, please contact Ubuntu customer service at: webmaster@ubuntu.com
[06:01] <jsgotangco> hahah
[06:01] <slomo> hmm
[06:01] <jsgotangco> i haven't received any ubuntu spam yet
[06:01] <ivoks> let's see where did it came from
[06:02] <ivoks> hm
[06:02] <ivoks> lol!
[06:02] <ivoks> pcchip, croatian magazine :)
[06:02] <LaserJock> He said the MOPAC wasn't built into libghemcial because it didn't play well with gcc-4.0 and said that he had looked at the latest version of ghemical (1.9) briefly but didn't have much success
[06:02] <ivoks> oh, now they'll hear me :)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> nice
[06:03] <\sh> back
[06:03] <\sh> i hope it will rain tonight..this humidity is evil
[06:03] <slomo> \sh++ :)
[06:04] <\sh> slomo: prost :)
[06:04] <slomo> ah, you have a beer now too? ;)
[06:05] <\sh> yeah...and just I start emacs ,)
[06:05] <slomo> \sh: prost :)
[06:05] <LaserJock> I think I might try to fiddle around with the Debian source packages for mopac and libghemical today at work. I was able to get both of them to build with pbuilder last night but I want to see if I can get the MOPAC support built into libghemical.
[06:05] <slomo> what do you want to do with emacs? just fixing some stuff?
[06:05] <\sh> slomo: hacking gajim ;)
[06:06] <slomo> \sh: what exactly? :)
[06:06] <\sh> launchpad integration
[06:07] <slomo> good idea... did you and Nafallo convice the devs that launchpad is useful for them? ;)
[06:07] <\sh> slomo: I think they understood..they're only a bit pissed because of their not imported .po files
[06:09] <slomo> \sh: hmm... but they are imported now afaik ;) https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+translations
[06:10] <\sh> nice :()
[06:10] <LaserJock> Is there a reason why libghemical is not in universe?
[06:12] <slomo> LaserJock: no idea... probably just forgotten... maybe tell elmo about it or something
[06:13] <LaserJock> hmm, ok. I think that ghemical would be fixed (kinda)  if we got libghemical built
[06:14] <\sh> slomo: they're ok with it :)
[06:15] <\sh> slomo: you can join them on gajim@conferences.jabber.no ;)
[06:15] <slomo> \sh: i know... i was there yesterday :)
[06:15] <Nafallo> \sh: he talked to them about avahi :-)
[06:15] <\sh> ah ;)
[06:25] <LaserJock> ok, dumb question. I can't find any contact info (email address) for elmo? Does anybody have that?
[06:27] <Nafallo> LaserJock: tried elmo@ubuntu.com?
[06:27] <LaserJock> no, doh
[06:27] <bddebian> Actually I think it's james.troup@...
[06:29] <LaserJock> ok, thanks guys
[06:38] <\sh> ok...dchroot and compile gajim
[06:40] <\sh> gnarf...76MB to update
[06:40] <j^> current version of dhcdbd in universe has some nasty security issues and i found a new upstream version in fedoras srpms which i just packaged for ubuntu http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/dhcdbd_1.8-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[06:40] <j^> should i dput it to revu?
[06:40] <\sh> what is dhcdbd?
[06:40] <j^> oh and how can i remove something from revu? dpull?
[06:41] <\sh> archive
[06:41] <slomo> j^: tell some motu to remove it ;) what do you want to be removed?
[06:41] <j^> dhcdbd provides a dbus interface to dhclient, so applications such as
[06:41] <j^>  NetworkManager can query and control dhclient.
[06:41] <j^> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=561 since i have a new version 1.8 i would rather upload
[06:42] <j^> code wise the biggest change is a new dbus system.d file which does not allow everything to everyone
[06:42] <\sh> j^: problem is..if network manager is ever hitting main...dhcpbd needs to go to main too
[06:42] <slomo> j^: just upload the new version... revu will handle this
[06:42] <j^> \sh true, still current version has a security bugt
[06:42] <j^> slomo ok
[06:44] <j^> \sh im also fine with sending patches, or just pointing out that a newer version its at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/
[06:44] <j^> its rather confusing to have universe packages that are not universe packages because they might end up in main at some point
[06:45] <j^> and thus its not possible to fix bugs in them
[06:45] <\sh> j^: why? the issue is only: nothing in main can depend on packages in universe
[06:45] <j^> \sh ????
[06:46] <j^> \sh network-manager depends on dhcdbd
[06:46] <j^> also the broken version in universe
[06:46] <j^> and it will always depend on it
[06:47] <\sh> j^: network-manager is also universe....but if you want to bring network-manager to main, all dependencies have to be in main as well
[06:48] <j^> \sh sure, but thats not relevant here
[06:48] <\sh> j^: not now ;)
[06:49] <ivoks> nm is.. ah...
[06:49] <\sh> ivoks: fire ...
[06:49] <ivoks> network manager hangs if laptop is put to sleep
[06:49] <ivoks> you have to restart dbus and kill -9 nm-applet
[06:50] <j^> \sh i do not see how it will ever an issue. my changes fix a bug in dhcdbd, which is a package n-m depends on
[06:50] <ivoks> that's why i give up it
[06:50] <ivoks> it's easier to use wifi-radar and restart it on every resume
[06:51] <j^> ivoks might be a problem with your wireless driver
[06:51] <ivoks> j^: it isn't
[06:51] <ivoks> j^: works with wifi-radar
[06:51] <ivoks> and iwconfig sees network
[06:51] <j^> nm does work fine here with my orinoco_pci card
[06:51] <ivoks> only nm losees it
[06:51] <j^> ivoks still in most cases wifi drivers are broken
[06:51] <ivoks> j^: and after you put your laptop to sleep/resume?
[06:52] <ivoks> j^: S3 sleep
[06:52] <ivoks> j^: this is ipw2200
[06:52] <j^> broken
[06:52] <ivoks> maybe
[06:52] <ivoks> but in this case problem isn't in driver
[06:52] <ivoks> cause all other wifi tools are working
[06:52] <ivoks> after resume... only nm crashes
[06:53] <j^> no
[06:53] <j^> nm might be more demanding, but its the driver that is broken
[06:53] <ivoks> ok
[06:53] <j^> nobody of the driver devs argues about that
[06:53] <ivoks> anyway, it's unusable for me
[06:53] <j^> its just that they need to be fixed
[06:53] <j^> possible
[06:54] <ivoks> i would like only for ethernet
[06:54] <j^> http://www.ces.clemson.edu/linux/nm-ipw2200.shtml might have some info
[06:54] <ivoks> signal level isn't important for me
[06:55] <ivoks> usabilty is :)
[06:55] <j^> which version of the driver do you use?
[06:55] <ivoks> latest
[06:56] <ivoks> acctually
[06:56] <slomo> \sh: how is you gajim work going? :)
[06:56] <ivoks> those that comes with -8-686
[06:56] <ivoks> j^: i never had any problems with it
[06:56] <ivoks> j^: it even works better than in windows :)
[06:56] <j^> ivoks i never had such a card, so i hever had problems with it too :)
[06:56] <ivoks> j^: integrated chipset :)
[06:57] <ivoks> j^: is your wifi on laptop?
[06:57] <j^> ivoks yes, ibm x30
[06:57] <\sh> slomo: I inserted a menuitem
[06:57] <ivoks> j^: can you put it in S3 sleep?
[06:57] <j^> ivoks sure
[06:57] <\sh> slomo: i added a function for launchpad integration
[06:58] <\sh> slomo: but it fails, cause it thinks it's a menu
[06:58] <ivoks> j^: could you try it? and see if nm shows you signal after resume?
[06:58] <j^> ivoks i use it very day and yes it does
[06:58] <ivoks> heh, ok
[06:58] <ivoks> then it doesn't work only for me :)
[06:58] <ivoks> maybe i could try it again
[06:58] <j^> you can come by if you want to check
[06:58] <j^> im in zagreb right now
[06:59] <ivoks> ?
[06:59] <slomo> \sh: where do you want the LP menuitems inserted? under actions?
[06:59] <ivoks> what's the weather in zagreb? :)
[06:59] <\sh> slomo: no...I inserted a _? and then Launchpad only for testing purposes
[06:59] <j^> ivoks just started raining a bit
[07:00] <ivoks> j^: and, who are you? :)
[07:00] <j^> und now a beautyfull sunset
[07:00] <slomo> \sh: when you want i can take a look at it tomorrow :)
[07:01] <j^> ivoks one of the guys with a laptop here: operacijagrad.org
[07:01] <\sh> argl...
[07:01] <\sh> all bullshit
[07:02] <ivoks> i'll return
[07:05] <\sh> g_return_if_fail (GTK_IS_MENU (helpmenu));
[07:05] <\sh> grmpf
[07:05] <ivoks> nope... it just searches for dhcp on ethernet...
[07:05] <ivoks> dies on wifi
[07:05] <\sh> mvo told me it must be a menu item and not a menu
[07:05] <j^> ivoks how long did you wait?
[07:05] <ivoks> j^: i tailed syslog
[07:05] <ivoks> nm told it's going to sleep
[07:05] <ivoks> :)
[07:06] <ivoks> hm..
[07:06] <ivoks> ok, let's try again
[07:06] <ivoks> j^: what are you doing in zagreb?
[07:06] <j^> it might take some time for the card to come back
[07:07] <\sh> slomo: I have it ... I have to put a menu ,-)
[07:07] <slomo> \sh: :)
[07:07] <ivoks> j^: it isn't a card
[07:07] <ivoks> j^: with wifi-radar it's up before i unlock my screen
[07:07] <ivoks> brb
[07:11] <j^> powers out...
[07:13] <ivoks> it's a bug in nm
[07:13] <ivoks> if i tell it to search for my SSID, it finds it and connects
[07:14] <ivoks> but doesn't do that automatic.
[07:17] <\sh> slomo: works for me ,-)
[07:17] <slomo> \sh: upload then ;)
[07:17] <\sh> just now...have to straighten things ,-)
[07:36] <\sh> slomo: I'll provide the patch directly to upstream ;)
[07:37] <slomo> \sh: even better :) maybe they can put their about dialog into the ? menu too :P
[07:37] <\sh> already discussed ;)
[07:37] <slomo> :)
[07:37] <\sh> but I just shot my work
[07:37] <\sh> damn
[07:37] <slomo> \sh: will they get a new release out in the next days?
[07:37] <bddebian> Hmm, guess I don't have upload rights yet :-)
[07:37] <\sh> anyways...again...was fast
[07:37] <slomo> bddebian: try it ;) probably not
[07:38] <bddebian> slomo: I tried an upload about an hour ago ;-)
[07:38] <slomo> bddebian: and what happened? nothing?
[07:38] <bddebian> Nada
[07:38] <slomo> ok, then you're at the same state like me :)
[07:48] <tseng> Mithrandir: here?
[07:49] <dholbach> tseng: !
[07:49] <dholbach> how's it going?
[07:49] <tseng> hiya dholbach
[07:49] <tseng> its alright.
[07:49] <\sh> slomo: dunno
[07:50] <tseng> dholbach: i have a bad problem with work development stuff
[07:50] <tseng> dholbach: a package wont build on breezy that i really need.
[07:50] <dholbach> much to do?
[07:50] <dholbach> oh
[07:50] <dholbach> which one
[07:50] <tseng> scotty
[07:50] <tseng> it was dropped from debian YEARS ago
[07:50] <tseng> im using cvs
[07:50] <tseng> or, I was
[07:51] <tseng> dholbach: slomo is doing loads of amd64 mono love today
[07:52] <dholbach> tseng: he told me :-D
[07:52] <tseng> ok so here is our current problem
[07:52] <tseng> stuff is getting "lost" in mono upgrades from hoary
[07:52] <tseng> < slomo> because then it probably makes sense... the gac stuff are just symlinks,  right? so dpkg can't see that they've changed or something...  mono-classlib-1.0 is installed before mono-assemblies-base gets replaced  while updating hoary->breezy so probably the symlinks get removed
[07:52] <\sh> ok...gajim has launchpad integration...I'll prepare a new upload...but first I want to have the opinion of upstream
[07:53] <tseng> does anyone have an idea of how to force dpkg to upgrade properly?
[07:53] <nakata> hehe
[07:54] <dholbach> what are you talking about?
[07:54] <\sh> dpkg --force-all -i ?
[07:54] <tseng> i meant apt, really
[07:54] <dholbach> you call that properly? :)
[07:55] <tseng> dholbach: upgrading mono from hoary -> breezy
[07:55] <tseng> stuff used to be in mono-assemblies-base
[07:55] <\sh> dholbach: works for me ,-)
[07:55] <tseng> now in mono-classlib-1.0
[07:55] <tseng> m-c-1 Replaces: mono-a-b
[07:55] <tseng> but it doesnt handle it nicely with the symlinks
[07:56] <tseng> slomo found out it removes the replaced package second or something
[07:57] <tseng> slomo: do i have it right?
[07:57] <slomo> tseng: it installs mono-classlib-1.0 and then replaces m-a-b with the dummy package... so the symlinks created by m-c-1 are removed... probably
[07:58] <tseng> OH!
[07:58] <tseng> i built it
[07:59] <bddebian> tseng: Nice
[07:59] <tseng> initialization failed: couldn't load file "/usr/local/lib/tnm3.0.0.so": /usr/local/lib/tnm3.0.0.so: undefined symbol: __dn_expand
[07:59] <tseng> almost
[07:59] <slomo> tseng: ?
[07:59] <tseng> slomo: work stuff
[07:59] <slomo> tseng: ah ok
[07:59] <tseng> slomo: i cant get this crap built on breezy
[08:00] <tseng> -lresolve for the win
[08:01] <tseng> i rock.
[08:01] <slomo> :)
[08:02] <tseng> i should make a deb
[08:04] <slomo> we should find a dpkg guru to help us with the mono problem ;)
[08:05] <bddebian> slomo: No, we should send elmo some beer for our uploads ;-)
[08:05] <slomo> that too ;) but that's second priority now :P
[08:07] <tseng> slomo: definately.
[08:07] <bddebian> slomo: What is first priority? :-)
[08:07] <slomo> bddebian: fixing mono updates from hoary
[08:08] <bddebian> slomo: Anything I can help with?
[08:08] <\sh> slomo: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/899
[08:08] <slomo> bddebian: see above :) can you help with this?
[08:09] <dholbach> good bye
[08:09] <tseng> bye dholbach
[08:10] <slomo> bye dholbach :)
[08:10] <dholbach> bye brandon, sebastian :)
[08:10] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[08:10] <\sh> dholbach: night :) have fun...
[08:10] <dholbach> see youuuuuu
[08:10] <bddebian> slomo: What does it need? :-)
[08:11] <\sh> ok another beer
[08:11] <slomo> bddebian: dpkg love ;) currently mono-assemblies-base is updated after mono-classlib-1.0 and it has to be the other way around
[08:12] <bddebian> \sh: wanna do a quick upload for me since it appears that I don't have rights yet?
[08:12] <bddebian> slomo: Over my head, sorry. :-(
[08:12] <slomo> bddebian: np... it's over my head too ;)
[08:13] <\sh> bddebian: fire :)
[08:13] <\sh> I just updated my pbuilder ,-)
[08:13] <herve> hello
[08:13] <\sh> or wait...let me grab a beer ,-)
[08:14] <\sh> now
[08:16] <\sh> gajim_0.8.2-0ubuntu3 is building ,-)
[08:17] <\sh> Using Rosetta
[08:17] <\sh> You need an account (free) to use it. It's very quick to make one. Visit https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main/+translations for more
[08:17] <\sh> yes...they're using it :)
[08:18] <bddebian> \sh: The debdiff for drscheme I posted on MOTUGLUTransitions should work now
[08:18] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:18] <slomo> \sh: wonderfull :) will they move to bzr? ;)
[08:18] <\sh> slomo: slowley ;)
[08:18] <\sh> lets import the head first in bzr ;)
[08:18] <\sh> ah jblack...need to talk with him :)
[08:31] <slomo> \sh: where's the new gajim upload? :)
[08:31] <\sh> slomo: moment..taking to jblack on #launchpad and fighting again on gajim@...
[08:32] <slomo> ok...
[08:35] <\sh> just testing the package :)
[08:37] <\sh> wooow
[08:38] <slomo> ? :)
[08:41] <\sh> upload
[08:42] <slomo> hm, when will the LP menu entries be usable, i.e. when will they show something else than a placeholder page ;)
[08:44] <\sh> slomo: left to the placeholder....you can see the product translation page link
[08:45] <slomo> \sh: that only links to the placeholder again... at least for epiphany ;) but anyway, the placeholders aren't that useful imho :)
[08:46] <slomo> \sh: ok... on more ;) not really user friendly :(
[08:50] <bddebian> Heya Lathiat, Seveas
[08:52] <slomo> \sh: maybe we should take over maintainership for gajim in debian ;)
[08:54] <\sh> bddebian: sorry..I'm just busy with the gajim devs...because they have legal issues *gnarf*
[08:54] <slomo> legal issues?
[08:54] <bddebian> \sh: Sorry for what?
[08:55] <\sh> that I don't do the upload right now..give me 20 mins :) thx :)
[08:55] <bddebian> Oh no worries man
[08:56] <\sh> just trying to catch sabdfl
[08:57] <\sh> ok..what was it?
[08:57] <\sh> which package?
[08:58] <\sh> drscheme?
[08:58] <\sh> yes
[09:06] <\sh> wow.
[09:06] <\sh> great
[09:07] <\sh> bddebian: ok...I'm fully your slave now :)
[09:08] <\sh> just dealt with all this..and sabdfl is such a nice guy to take his time with upstream devs
[09:17] <\sh> bddebian: building drscheme
[09:17] <ivoks> so...
[09:17] <ivoks> question...
[09:18] <ivoks> can i just upload bugfixes or i need a review for them?
[09:18] <slomo> just upload them if they work :) and when you're unsure whether it's the correct way to fix ask someone ;)
[09:20] <bddebian> \sh: Nice, thanks
[09:21] <\sh> bddebian: sorry for the delay :)
[09:22] <bddebian> \sh: No worries really.  Looks like I may actually be able to do my own soon. :-)
[09:23] <\sh> bddebian: I hope so...I wish :)
[09:24] <\sh> bddebian: build.I'll upload
[09:26] <herve> see you later
[09:30] <bddebian> Heya Mez, where you been? :-)
[09:31] <slomo> hi Mez :)
[09:32] <Mez> I've been at a new job
[09:32] <ivoks> yay! my first upload to universe :)
[09:32] <slomo> ivoks: nice :)
[09:33] <slomo> ivoks: i'm currently searching something to upload ;)
[09:33] <ivoks> :))
[09:33] <ivoks> slomo: it better be good
[09:33] <slomo> i hope banshee upstream releases a new version soon ;)
[09:34] <slomo> Lathiat: may i upload libnss-mdns 0.6 with avahi support?
[09:34] <Lathiat> slomo: heh
[09:34] <Lathiat> slomo: i already prepared that
[09:34] <Lathiat> slomo: have you already prepared it?
[09:34] <slomo> Lathiat: nope... but shouldn't be that hard ;) but when you've done it already...
[09:34] <Lathiat> slomo: change the Recommends to avahi-daemon | mdnsresponder
[09:34] <bddebian> ivoks: Yeah, congrats
[09:34] <ivoks> slomo: GLUTransition needs lots of love :)
[09:35] <bddebian> Mez: Oh, congrats
[09:35] <Lathiat> wnat the debdiff?
[09:35] <ivoks> bddebian: thanks
[09:35] <Lathiat> i cant uplload yet
[09:35] <bddebian> ivoks: It shouldn't, I have hit most of them
[09:35] <slomo> Lathiat: against 0.5... i'll sponsor it for you then :)
[09:35] <ivoks> ghc6 is uploaded?
[09:35] <Mez> bddebian,  .... ?
[09:35] <slomo> Lathiat: against 0.6 the debdiff please ;)
[09:35] <bddebian> Mez: Congrats on a new job :-)
[09:35] <ivoks> bddebian: ok, let's wipe out some bugs
[09:35] <bddebian> ivoks: Yar
[09:35] <Mez> oh, lol - been in it for a while... very tiring
[09:36] <bddebian> Ahh
[09:36] <bddebian> ivoks: You could try flightgear if your c++ foo is good :-)
[09:36] <ivoks> :/
[09:36] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/nss-mdns.debdiff
[09:37] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, will upload it :)
[09:37] <ivoks> bddebian: url
[09:38] <bddebian> ivoks: For?
[09:39] <ivoks> bddebian: flightgear
[09:40] <ivoks> bddebian: it doesn't compile or what?
[09:40] <bddebian> ivoks: Aye FTBFS.  Undefined reference to std::XXX
[09:40] <bddebian> Needs GL/GLU transition too
[09:40] <ivoks> ok...
[09:41] <ivoks> but that will compile for ages :)
[09:41] <bddebian> Oh, then don't bother :-)
[09:41] <ivoks> but nice game, tough
[09:41] <ivoks> we should work on it
[09:42] <bddebian> It may need some library rebuilds
[09:44] <\sh> bddebian: uploaded
[09:45] <bddebian> \sh: REJECTED :-(
[09:45] <\sh> why?
[09:45] <\sh> it's your package
[09:45] <\sh> reason?
[09:46] <ivoks> yay accepted :)
[09:46] <bddebian> \sh: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2047
[09:46] <slomo> Lathiat: uploaded :)
[09:47] <Lathiat> slomo: woo thanks
[09:47] <ivoks> hm...
[09:47] <ivoks> time for email change :)
[09:47] <\sh> bddebian:
[09:47] <\sh> hmm
[09:47] <\sh> a f*ck
[09:48] <\sh> -sa
[09:48] <\sh> is nogood
[09:48] <bddebian> ?
[09:48] <\sh> i made a mistake
[09:49] <\sh> thought it was a native package..so I did debuild -S -sa -ksh@sourcecode.de
[09:50] <bddebian> As opposed to?
[09:56] <slomo> Lathiat: got mail from katie?
[09:56] <Lathiat> Rejected: nss-mdns_0.6-1ubuntu1.dsc refers to nss-mdns_0.6.orig.tar.gz, but I
[09:56] <Lathiat> +can't find it in the queue or in the pool.
[09:57] <slomo> narf... sorry :/
[09:57] <slomo> same mistake as \sh
[09:58] <\sh> bddebian: check now
[09:58] <\sh> ok..another beer...
[09:59] <ivoks> we have ssh-krb5
[09:59] <ivoks> wich provides ssh client and ssh server
[09:59] <ivoks> these two are in main
[09:59] <ivoks> so, could we create package ssh-krb5 wich provides ssh-client and ssh-server?
[10:00] <ivoks> since package from main depend on ssh-client/server
[10:09] <bddebian> \sh: Nothing yet
[10:09] <\sh> Von: 	Barry deFreese <bddebian@comcast.net>
[10:09] <\sh> Antwort an: 	ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <\sh> An: 	breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <\sh> Betreff: 	Accepted drscheme 1:209-5ubuntu1 (source)
[10:09] <\sh> sorry
[10:09] <\sh> accepted
[10:09] <bddebian> :-)
[10:11] <slomo> bddebian? i have a job for you :) do you some time?
[10:11] <bddebian> slomo: Shoot
[10:11] <slomo> bddebian: apt-get update && apt-get install banshee
[10:11] <slomo> bddebian: then run it and tell me the errors... apt-get install libsqlite3-0 when something with sql fails ;)
[10:15] <bddebian> slomo: Ack, I'm not at home.. :-(  I don't have X handy :-(
[10:15] <slomo> bddebian: oh :(
[10:15] <bddebian> I'll be home in a while and I can try
[10:18] <\sh> bddebian: are you going to ubz?
[10:19] <bddebian> \sh: I may try to go one of the weeks but it will be tough
[10:20] <\sh> bddebian: ok...from 29th to 6th this is the week to come ;)
[10:20] <bddebian> OK :-)
[10:22] <\sh> bddebian: it's an order not a wish ;-)
[10:22] <\sh> hahah
[10:22] <bddebian> \sh: Yes Sir! :-)
[10:22] <\sh> hihi
[10:27] <bddebian> w00t, tagcoll 1.4 builds now
[10:27] <\sh> hmmmm
[10:27] <\sh> I'm a bit dizzy
[10:27] <\sh> listening to TaTu
[10:27] <bddebian> too many biers? ;-)
[10:27] <\sh> bddebian: hope so ;)
[10:35] <\sh> think I should go to bed..to be ready to join ogra tomorrow ;)
[10:39] <\sh> re slomo ogra_ltsp
[10:39] <ivoks> hehe
[10:39] <ivoks> xine-ui success on all platforms :)
[10:39] <Mez> does anyone know who seb payne is on IRC?
[10:39] <slomo> Mez: spayne
[10:40] <slomo> was there an hour ago
[10:40] <Mez> grr
[10:40] <Mez> I need to poke him
[10:40] <slomo> hehe
[10:40] <Mez> well
[10:40] <Mez> I need to talk to him about iFolder
[10:41] <Mez> I've just been asked to maintain the packages for debain and ubuntu
[10:41] <Mez> oh
[10:41] <Mez> just ubuntu
[10:41] <slomo> \sh: regarding gajim... please put about as the last entry in help
[10:41] <slomo> \sh: looks wrong now ;)
[10:42] <\sh> slomo: ok
[10:42] <\sh> damn...tomorrow
[10:42] <\sh> I can't code anymore ,-)
[10:42] <ivoks> bye all
[10:42] <slomo> hehe
[10:42] <bddebian> heh
[10:42] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[10:43] <slomo> Mez: are they already in debian? and why should they be maintained separate?
[10:44] <\sh> slomo: tomorrow morning
[10:44] <Mez> slomo - I doubt it... and no idea
[10:45] <Mez> simple fact is ... iFolder has a prorietary library, so neither can distribute... the stuff would be on their servers
[10:45] <slomo> Mez: uuh... didn't know that... will novell change this?
[10:45] <Mez> I've no idea
[10:46] <Mez> and I didnt know either until some problems came up
[10:47] <bddebian> Mez: spayne is in #u-d
[10:53] <bddebian> w00t first upload, changes accepted.
[10:53] <\sh> ok.guys going too bed
[10:54] <\sh> bddebian: congrats :)
[10:54] <bddebian> Gnight \sh, thanks as always
[10:54] <\sh> bddebian: you rock dude :)
[10:54] <bddebian> Heh
[10:54] <\sh> slomo: try ;)
[10:54] <Mez> oh, you got MOTU bddebian ?
[10:54] <slomo> \sh: what?
[10:54] <Mez> congrats dude
[10:54] <\sh> slomo: to upload :)
[10:54] <bddebian> Mez: Aye.  Thanks.
[10:54] <\sh> ogra_ltsp: tomorrow? latest 14 GMT+2?
[10:55] <slomo> \sh: already done 2 uploads :)
[10:55] <Mez> bddebian, you deserve it :D shame it took so damn long though
[10:55] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:55] <\sh> slomo: woot? by yourself? congrats as well
[10:55] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[10:55] <bddebian> slomo: rockin'
[10:55] <bddebian> Mez: Bah :-)
[10:55] <\sh> sistpoty: hi and bye...:)
[10:55] <slomo> \sh: thanks :)
[10:55] <ogra_ltsp> \sh ok
[10:56] <\sh> ogra_ltsp: when I'm at the station I will call you...whereever it is ;)
[10:56] <ogra_ltsp> ok
[10:56] <\sh> hope they have cell transmission their ;)
[10:56] <\sh> s/their/there/
[10:57] <\sh> g'night folks ...and rock as hard as ever team
[10:57] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[10:57] <slomo> gn8 \sh_away :)
[11:00] <sistpoty> ping lamont
[11:03] <sistpoty> lamont: if you have too much time, could you kick ocamldap (i386) and eventually ocamlcreal? (not urgent though)
[11:11] <bddebian> Well, gonna head home.  Catch you all in a few.
[11:11] <sistpoty> later bddebian
[11:38] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:38] <sistpoty> it was, at least on date of upload for i386 ;)
[11:39] <lamont> the auto-depwaiter will happily dep-wait on a virtual package, which will never be cleared until that's done manually
[11:42] <sistpoty> do you mean ocaml-nox-3.08? should it be ocaml-nox instead?