[12:03] have you worked a lot with them ? [12:03] you can contact from me: Wilfrid Niobet [12:04] who is this person ? [12:06] it is my contact at NTBF [12:08] what is his job ? [12:09] He is not the president of NTBF [12:10] I don't know excatly his job and position [12:10] he did manage the gcompris project within NTBF [12:10] ok, i read that they have their own elearning platform [12:11] have you ever seen it ? [12:12] they work with Aden ? [12:12] No, I sow another person from NTBF [12:12] one of my colleague have a contact with a guy from Aden [12:12] what is Aden ? [12:14] http://www.africaden.net/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=25 [12:15] so it's a competitor for you [12:15] that's helped by the french government [12:15] not really [12:15] wedus has no reason to exist if they have an access to a broadband [12:16] ADEN has a full access to Internet [12:16] i mean the ADEN center [12:17] I see [12:17] and they are more oriented to teach IT technologies, and us that's more bringing all the possibilies of INternet in a web site (because that's the only web site you can have) [12:20] tell me, are there some frenchies who work on edubuntu ? [12:21] no idea [12:23] you are only an observer, hopping that your baby will be well treated ? [12:26] sure it is. [12:34] Au revoir Bruno ! 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NEXT MEETING: Sept 7 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | TEST OUR LATEST CD ! see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting many improvements have been made === Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Tue Sep 6 17:33:39 2005 === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info12-98.info.com.ph] has joined #edubuntu [02:59] hi all === Seveas [n=seveas@fia228-202-100.dsl.mxposure.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:00] hey jsgotangco [03:02] hey [03:02] ogra: i got an early adopter! [03:03] yes, i saw your message ... [03:03] :) [03:03] we have a preview release ;) [03:03] http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ [03:04] does it have 0 config during stage1/2? [03:04] nope [03:04] only in workstation install [03:04] no server install? [03:05] for the server you have to give the ip.... and one thing i have to solve is the question from the dhcp server on which iface it should listen [03:05] hmmm [03:05] sure, server by default [03:05] im sorry about last night it wasn't a good time for me [03:05] but the WS install is 0 config [03:05] server install has 2 questions... to go down to one [03:08] nice === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu [03:12] ogra: im gonna fix the edubuntu doc wiki that ok with you? [03:12] i'm gonna put the whole cookbook there [03:12] as well as the about edubuntu [03:12] and open it up to the community === jsgotangco believes that is the best way to go atm [03:23] oh my our wiki doesn't seem to support talk paes [03:23] s/paes/pages === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas-SFD [n=seveas@fia228-202-100.dsl.mxposure.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] hey guys [03:47] how are things, oliver? [03:47] hey [03:48] and hi jerome :) === magnon gave up on doing testing while hungoveer [03:48] -e [03:49] anyone who wants to provide me with an office and apartment in exchange for being your IT problem slave? :P [03:50] so hard finding an office and place to live on a saturday ;) === jelkner [n=jelkner@dsl092-145-252.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:58] good morning all [03:58] can i get some quick assistance setting up a new edubuntu server? [03:59] hey hey [03:59] ogra: are you here? [03:59] jsgotangco: hey hey! [03:59] hello jelkner [03:59] there's instructions on the wikoi [03:59] wiki* [03:59] our software freedom day event is about to begin [03:59] jelkner: what's up [03:59] http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting should do it [03:59] oh ours just finished a few hours ago [03:59] i installed edubuntu last night [04:00] the new logos and stuff appeared about 10 minutes to midnight, *very* cool! [04:00] :) [04:00] what do you need help with? [04:00] now i need to get the dhcp thing going [04:00] the instructions on the wiki are obsolete [04:00] I'm really hungover but I can try to help :P [04:00] all i did was the base install [04:00] ogra: ah, ok [04:00] so what is next? [04:00] i'm just sitting and writing the preview announcement [04:01] http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ [04:01] jelkner: you need to configure edubuntu to be on 192.168.0.1 [04:01] ;) [04:01] jelkner: the dhcp server refuses to start if not ;) [04:01] magnon, every 192.168.0 ip works... [04:01] can we make it 192.168.1 ? [04:02] ogra: "magnon: I'm really hungover but I can try to help :P" ;) [04:02] the linksys nat box i'm using defaulted to that, so that is what i used [04:02] jelkner, you can do what you want ;) but you need to edit /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf accordingly [04:02] my whatever wireless box at this place defaults to 192.168.11.x for some weird reason [04:03] picking the 192.168.0 net as default is only caused through this file... if you want something else, edit the ip data in there and use another ip ;) [04:03] ogra: the network config should really have a script that configures that file according to the information you configure the network to have :P [04:04] (but I'm sure that's been thought of) [04:04] (nice to have) [04:04] root@edubuntu:~# /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [04:04] Stopping DHCP server: dhcpd3. [04:04] Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. [04:04] magnon, yes, thatd be cool, but i have not found the right way to do it yet, and i refuse to have a edubuntu-config package, everything should be done by good defaults of the packages [04:05] Setting up ltsp-server-standalone (0.55) ... [04:05] Stopping DHCP server: dhcpd3. [04:05] Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. [04:05] invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed. [04:05] dpkg: error processing ltsp-server-standalone (--configure): [04:05] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [04:05] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of edubuntu-server: [04:05] edubuntu-server depends on ltsp-server-standalone; however: [04:05] Package ltsp-server-standalone is not configured yet. [04:05] dpkg: error processing edubuntu-server (--configure): [04:05] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [04:05] Errors were encountered while processing: [04:05] ltsp-server-standalone [04:05] edubuntu-server [04:05] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:05] what ip did you pick ? [04:05] ogra: I havent done a lot of packaging, but cant edubuntu-server do it? check the network config and configure it according to that [04:06] magnon, nope.... its not right to have scripts in metapackages [04:06] jelkner: I tried to customise that file and got errors as well, I did notice later that I had some mistakes in it though - but trying it out on 192.168.0.1 and setting eth0:0 to be whatever you need to get online worked for me [04:06] ogra: makes sense [04:06] a enhancement to ltsp-server-sztandalone or to dhcp3-server would be the right way [04:07] what package tells dhcp3-server to read the ltsp config file? [04:07] thats ltsp-server-standalone [04:07] then I recon that one should do the configuration of it too? [04:08] probably, i have to talk with mdz about that, its his package [04:08] ok [04:09] jelkner, check /var/log/daemon.log for the errormessage [04:11] root@edubuntu:~# tail -f /var/log/daemon.log [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: Wrote 231 leases to leases file. [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 (192.168.1.254). [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: to which interface eth0 is attached. ** [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: [04:11] Sep 10 10:04:58 edubuntu dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! [04:12] hold on, let me try editing dhcpd.conf [04:12] but i tried that on another server yesterday, and it didn't work [04:13] jelkner, dont edit the normal dhcp.conf, only the one in /etc/ltsp [04:13] (dont even touch it) [04:15] can i try the "very basic subnet declaration? [04:17] ok [04:18] just leave the normal dhcp.conf as is and make all changes for your ltsp in the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file [04:18] then it will work... [04:18] there must be a package i need to install [04:18] there is nothing in /etc/ltsp [04:18] it is empty [04:19] did edubuntu-.server install correctly? [04:19] how can i check? === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu [04:19] jelkner, ltsp-server-standalone .... [04:20] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of edubuntu-server: [04:20] edubuntu-server depends on ltsp-server-standalone; however: [04:20] Package ltsp-server-standalone is not configured yet. [04:20] dpkg: error processing edubuntu-server (--configure): [04:20] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [04:20] Errors were encountered while processing: [04:20] ltsp-server-standalone [04:20] edubuntu-server [04:20] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:20] try installing ltsp-server before [04:21] same error messages [04:21] after "apt-get install ltsp-server" [04:22] thats a default install from a fresh CD with no tweakages ? [04:22] yes [04:22] hmm... [04:22] although it is yesterday's image [04:22] try apt-get -f install [04:23] not todays [04:23] ok [04:23] depends which of yesterdays image ... todays is the .4 image from yesterday [04:23] (which is our preview) [04:24] i made the image yesterday morning [04:24] ah, ok.... there was some breakage... but not in this area.... [04:24] before all the logo changes, etc. [04:24] hmm... [04:24] so you dont have the fully automatic ltsp install yet ;) [04:24] apt-get -f install doesn't work [04:24] no [04:25] i guess not [04:25] what does it say ? [04:25] it should remove the unconfigure stuff... [04:25] dpkg: error processing ltsp-server-standalone (--configure): [04:25] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [04:25] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of edubuntu-server: [04:25] edubuntu-server depends on ltsp-server-standalone; however: [04:25] Package ltsp-server-standalone is not configured yet. [04:25] dpkg: error processing edubuntu-server (--configure): [04:25] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [04:25] Errors were encountered while processing: [04:25] ltsp-server-standalone [04:25] edubuntu-server [04:25] remove edubuntu server... [04:26] then try apt-get -f install again [04:26] if this doesnt work, try dpkg --configure -a [04:28] ok, i removed the ltsp-server-standalone package [04:28] i now have not configuration issues [04:28] now try installing it again.... [04:29] ltsp-server or ltsp-server-standalone ? [04:29] its weird that you dont have the file in /etc/ltsp.... [04:29] standalone pulls the other one in [04:30] so just -standalone is enough [04:32] oops! i was looking in /opt/ltsp not /etc/ltsp [04:32] i'm editing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf now [04:32] :) [04:33] Setting up ltsp-server-standalone (0.55) ... [04:33] Stopping DHCP server: dhcpd3. [04:33] Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. [04:33] invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed. [04:33] dpkg: error processing ltsp-server-standalone (--configure): [04:33] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [04:33] Errors were encountered while processing: [04:33] ltsp-server-standalone [04:33] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:34] hmm... your dhcp-conf is right now ? [04:34] dhcp.conf [04:35] authoritative; [04:35] subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { [04:35] range 192.168.1.100 192.168.0.200; [04:35] option domain-name "mtrainierfol.org"; [04:35] option domain-name-servers 66.92.159.2, 216.231.41.2; [04:35] option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; [04:35] option routers 192.168.1.1; [04:35] option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; [04:35] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [04:35] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [04:35] } [04:35] range is wrong [04:35] ahh [04:36] looks like it worked! [04:36] its really easier to go with the defaults and make the changes post install :) [04:36] great :) [04:36] but you really should test the preview ... it installs the ltsp chroot alone etc ... its improved a lot [04:37] but i wonder how we can prevent this error in the future ... [04:37] there will be many people wanting another ip net... [04:38] it would be nice if the file was created automatically based on the ip address given of the server [04:38] yup [04:39] or, if no ip is given etc... if it wouldnt try to trestart the dchp server to make sure it install cleanly at least [04:39] so during the install, a screen should appear saying something like: using 192.168.0.254 for you server address [04:39] please change it if this is not correct [04:39] something like that... [04:39] and then if they enter 192.168.217.254 [04:39] i think i wont change netcfg in the installer though [04:39] the dhcp.conf file that would work on that network is created [04:40] i.e. it will offer a default address, but if that changed it will generate the file accordingly [04:40] have you ever seen how the k12ltsp distro does it [04:40] eric set that up, and that is how it works [04:40] too myna questions for the user... i prefer it done by default based on the ip with less interaction [04:41] s/myna/many [04:41] just do it in the background, if it work right, the user doesnt need to know about it ;) [04:41] works even [04:41] except that you will find 192.168.0.0 if often not the one the user will need [04:42] since we don't have the router box as part of it yet, i'll be recommending folks use nat boxes like the linksys router i'm using [04:42] you will always heave the question for the ip .... but the additional stuff isnt needed [04:43] what additional stuff? [04:43] the ip was all i was saying [04:44] ok, we now have PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found [04:44] on the thin client [04:44] erm, did you install edubuntu-server again ? [04:44] that will care for the tftp server to be started... [04:44] now i did, hold on... ;-) [04:49] we still have the tftp error [04:49] we get a client ip 192.168.1.191 [04:50] the gateway and dhcp ip are good [04:50] is everything i /var/lib/tftp ? [04:50] in even [04:50] then tftp. [04:50] pxe-t01: file not found [04:50] look if the files in /var/lib/tftp are there [04:51] and if inetd runs... [04:51] if this is the case, check /etc/inetd.conf for an entry for tftp [04:51] which files [04:51] ? [04:51] the pxeboot stuff... [04:52] there must be a bunch of files ... [04:52] including a linux image, initrd etc [04:53] if have no server around to check the exact names currently [04:53] /var/lib/tftpboot ? [04:54] err, yes, indeed :) [04:54] that has an ltsp directory [04:54] which is empty [04:56] hmm, seems your ltsp server install completely failed... [04:57] try: apt-get install --reinstall ltsp-server [04:58] this should pull in the missing bits [04:58] wait, i only installed ltsp-server-standalone, not ltsp-server [04:58] ltsp-server-standalone depends on ltsp-server [05:02] apt-get --reinstall ltsp-server [05:02] E: Invalid operation ltsp-server [05:02] opps, hold on [05:05] Preconfiguring packages ... [05:05] (Reading database ... 72496 files and directories currently installed.) [05:05] Preparing to replace ltsp-server 0.55 (using .../ltsp-server_0.55_all.deb) ... [05:05] Unpacking replacement ltsp-server ... [05:05] Setting up ltsp-server (0.55) ... [05:05] then.. [05:05] root@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp# ls [05:05] still gives nothing [05:05] look in /var/lib/tftpboot [05:06] try: dpkg -l tftpd-hpa [05:06] it should give a line starting with ii [05:06] root@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot# ls [05:06] ltsp [05:11] dpkg root@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot# dpkg -l tftpd-hpa [05:11] Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold [05:11] | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed [05:11] |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) [05:11] ||/ Name Version Description [05:11] +++-===============-===============-============================================== [05:11] ii tftpd-hpa 0.40-2ubuntu1 HPA's tftp server [05:11] ok, thats installed... [05:11] below /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp is nothing ? [05:11] root@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp# ls [05:11] root@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp# [05:13] ogra: i'm going a bit crazy here [05:13] we are in the middle of an event [05:13] my prob is that i dont have a reference install around... === DerRobin [i=Robin@p5489E07F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:14] and folks keep walking up to me asking question about free software [05:14] i'm just trying to figure out why this files are missing [05:14] and i'm trying to talk to you at the same time [05:14] what about having you ssh into the machine? [05:14] sure [05:14] hold on [05:15] /msg the access data [05:15] i need to configure the router for that [05:15] ok [05:15] ah, wait [05:16] try running ltsp-update-kernels [05:16] Hey someone there who can tell me the advantages taking edubuntu for my schools computerroom instead of debian or so on? [05:16] and ltsp-update-sshkeys afterwards... (that should have been run by ltsp-build-client, did you run that ?) [05:17] DerRobin, sicher doch :) [05:17] Das ist gut ~.~ Ich bin nmlich gerade dafr verantwortlich gemacht worden, die "ntzlichste" distri rauszusuchen und auf unserer schule "einzufhren" [05:18] als schler/lehrer-workstations [05:18] DerRobin, lets either do it in english or in a /msg ;) [05:18] *msg* :) [05:18] ogra: i don't know how to use /msg [05:19] i should get a new tab, yes? [05:19] jelkner, yes [05:19] i don't see one [05:20] jelkner, err, i was talking to DerRobin, i didnt want to clutter the channel with german :) [05:20] ogra: i've to reg here to write to you just a moment pls [05:20] DerRobin, currently you can only /msg if you are registered [05:20] heh [05:20] we had a lot of spambot attacks recently... this will change again [05:21] jelkner, did you run ltsp-build-client ? [05:21] how to reg? [05:22] /msg nickserv help register ;) [05:22] ogra: no, will do now [05:22] i didn't know we still needed to do that [05:22] jelkner, heh.... without installed ltsp client envitonment its hard to boot a ltsp client ;) [05:23] that is going away, yes [05:23] ? [05:23] jelkner, not for the preview release anymore [05:23] its already gone [05:23] oh [05:23] so if i down load a new image, it will "just work"? [05:24] yup [05:25] root@edubuntu:~# ltsp-build-client [05:25] I: Retrieving Release [05:25] I: Retrieving Packages [05:25] I: Validating Packages [05:25] I: Checking component main on http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu... [05:25] and it is hanging... [05:25] nope... [05:25] its just not showing its progress [05:25] so, just wait awhile [05:25] it checks all md5 sums ... [05:25] of all packages... [05:25] patients, jelkner, patients! [05:25] do you have your CD around ? [05:26] then stop it with ctrl C and rather build it from cd [05:26] how? [05:27] mount the cd with: mount /cdrom [05:27] run: ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Sept 7 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | edubuntu Preview: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ === kefkey [n=selwyn@199-2-114-55.setardsl.aw] has joined #edubuntu === jelkner [n=jelkner@dsl092-145-252.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:38] ogra: still no dice [05:38] how about this as a plan: [05:39] 1. download the new install cd [05:39] 2. go to lunch [05:39] 3. burn cd [05:39] 4. install [05:39] 5. enjoy [05:39] what do you think? [05:39] install with a 192.168.0 ip and make the changes after install ;) [05:39] then i can test your turn-key version [05:40] actually, i think i can configure the router to use that ip [05:40] then i won't need to change anything [05:40] even better, because quicker [05:43] hmmm i made a draft for release notes of Ubuntu 5.10 [05:43] i can edit it up for edubuntu [05:44] i have a draft already, but mdz wanted some changes... [05:45] made by JaneW [05:45] i see [05:45] i just patterened from mdz's preview announcement [05:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [05:46]