[12:01] <Riddell> lunitik: right click->configure panel->appearance tab->advanced->applet handles to visible
[12:02] <Riddell> bamama: I don't know what an intel 536 ep is
[12:02] <delltony> hit riddle is there something special to get gtk into kde? i know you don't like gtk but none the less some apps i use need it
[12:02] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh... I looked there... didn't see the option... thank you very much  :)
[12:02] <delltony> i think he means 586
[12:02] <bamama> Riddell: It's a dial-up modem
[12:02] <delltony> people still use them things?
[12:02] <bamama> delltony: No, i think it is 536!
[12:02] <delltony> no need for red or a !
[12:03] <delltony> i can read you just fine
[12:03] <Riddell> delltony: try kcontrol
[12:03] <bamama> delltony: i'm from yugoslavia. we don't have enough money, and we can find mostly this modems in stores :(
[12:03] <delltony> aww it still exit
[12:03] <delltony> exist
[12:04] <lunitik> Riddell: Kubuntu is coming on nice though... nice control panel for one (just saw that) ... just plugged in an old hd, and Kubuntu was on it   :)
[12:04] <delltony> sounds like a personal problem to me don't bring your sorrow in here cause i don't care now ill shut up before you make me mad
[12:05] <delltony> Riddell: should it be set to use kde style in gtk apps
[12:05] <delltony> and then the other one a different font
[12:05] <bamama> delltony: YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT INTEL 536 EP IS! This is linux help channel. It should be some smart people ... and there is ... so shut up
[12:06] <bamama> :D
[12:06] <lunitik> bamama: you, however, are not one of them... if you'd like to level out your tone, someone might actually help you... until then, you're just going to end up on more and more ignore lists....
[12:07] <lunitik> bamama: what exactly is your issue anyway? I've been here about 10 mins... and I don't think you've stated it once   :/
[12:07] <bamama> lunitik: what?
[12:07] <delltony> the issue is he can't speak english well enough to ask a question :)
[12:07] <lunitik> bamama: state your fucking issue so someone might actually help you  :|
[12:08] <bamama> lunitik: fuck off
[12:08] <bamama> delltony: oh yeah? 
[12:08] <lunitik> bamama: wow... fine, don't get help... suite yourself
[12:08] <delltony> man shut up i don't have time for you
[12:08] <delltony> your on ignore
[12:08] <bamama> delltony: ok :lol:
[12:09] <delltony> man i'm sorry to everyone else in the channel but this guy is a moron 
[12:09] <lunitik> hmm... peace and quiet... 
[12:09] <delltony> haha you ignored him too i see
[12:09] <delltony> hey riddle that fixed me right up
[12:09] <delltony> thanks man
[12:09] <lunitik> delltony: bitching about needing help... then not supplying even a hint at the actual issue... is... to say the least... annoying
[12:10] <delltony> pretty much so
[12:10] <delltony> i don't know all the answers or claim to i help when i can
[12:10] <delltony> but i will never help an ahole
[12:10] <bamama> delltony: you are moron moron moron moron moron moron moron moron. And now you are shiting up
[12:10] <bamama> you are an asshole
[12:10] <buz> can someone kick that moron, already
[12:10] <bamama> you are assaulting me
[12:10] <bamama> buz: no
[12:10] <lunitik> delltony: I've been using Debian for 3 years... he likely would have got an answer from me if he took the time to ask a question....
[12:11] <delltony> i have been using debain for about 2
[12:11] <delltony> so we are almost the same
[12:11] <delltony> debian even
[12:11] <buz> 6 months kubuntu and 5 years bsd under my belt
[12:11] <bamama> lunitik: yeah, but u dind't wanted to answer
[12:11] <delltony> i have gentoo under mine
[12:11] <delltony> lord i hate emerges
[12:11] <delltony> a stage one install sucks
[12:12] <seth_k> bamama, you need to stop with the language and the attacks now
[12:12] <buz> stage one is for crazy
[12:12] <delltony> took me 5 days straight with no errors to compile and install
[12:12] <delltony> well i actually tweaked it how i wanted it for my server
[12:12] <delltony> it runs fast
[12:12] <buz> mhh you can compile bsd's world in about 1 hour on modern hardware
[12:12] <delltony> but i can say if i have to do it again ill burn it first
[12:12] <buz> and issuing make world is good enough ;)
[12:13] <delltony> one thing i wish would happen in future issues of ubuntu
[12:13] <buz> more up to date browsers and stuff
[12:13] <delltony> i wish it would work with dist-upgrade
[12:13] <buz> mhh it does?
[12:13] <delltony> i'm sure on some systems it does but it hates my and my laptop but i'm wondering if me manually compiling from source
[12:13] <delltony> is what screws it up
[12:13] <lunitik> buz: ahh... FreeBSD user?
[12:13] <buz> likely so
[12:13] <buz> yes
[12:13] <buz> or was at least
[12:13] <seth_k> delltony, it's probably that
[12:14] <buz> when i was still an active sysadmn
[12:14] <buz> admin
[12:14] <seth_k> you're circumventing package management by compiling
[12:14] <delltony> cause i use alot  of source code
[12:14] <delltony> even if i use checkinstall?
[12:14] <lunitik> buz: if you add Debian source... you can install a FreeBSD kernel in place of your Linux kernel... will break things like hal (media:/) but you might feel more at home  :)
[12:14] <buz> lunitik: in the future i'll likely go the dragonfly route through
[12:14] <buz> na
[12:15] <delltony> cause moto4lin for my phone is in the repository but its outated and doesn't support my phone
[12:15] <buz> i can switch between the two for the most parts
[12:15] <delltony> the cvs version does
[12:15] <buz> i still like the bsd userland better
[12:15] <buz> but far and by large, on the desktop, i dont use the console very often (aside of bog standard stuff like scp and rsync)
[12:15] <lunitik> buz: never played much with dragon fly really... 
[12:15] <buz> and as for scp , i often find myself using sftp: or fish:
[12:15] <delltony> hey anyone know the command to show desktop?
[12:15] <buz> i've been following the mailinglist for a while now
[12:15] <delltony> i want to make a button for the taskbar
[12:16] <delltony> or is it showdesktop()
[12:16] <buz> boy, matt dillon sure is god
[12:16] <buz> in a few months, they'll have FULL undo capability for their FS
[12:16] <seth_k> delltony, there's a prefab button for the taskbar to show it
[12:17] <delltony> where about?
[12:17] <seth_k> add > special button > desktop access
[12:17] <delltony> on mine there is;t
[12:17] <delltony> oh ok
[12:17] <seth_k> (right click panel to get it)
[12:17] <delltony> duh thanks
[12:17] <delltony> got it
[12:17] <seth_k> np
[12:17] <delltony> now to only figure out why kmixer wants to load every time i start kubuntu
[12:17] <delltony> i don't use it cause it doesn't really work for me on my lappy the master does nothing 
[12:18] <delltony> pcm is all that works on mine
[12:18] <seth_k> check .kde/Autostart
[12:18] <delltony> aww cool
[12:18] <buz> dunno, but the amarok devs surely aerent
[12:18] <delltony> they finally addressed my bug request
[12:18] <lunitik> s/included in/working on/
[12:18] <delltony> they made it where you can change the control 
[12:18] <delltony> i changed it to pcm
[12:19] <delltony> by changing channel before you coouldn't change the channel it was stuc on master
[12:19] <delltony> :) me so happy
[12:19] <delltony> now i can watch porn with ease ;)
[12:21] <seth_k> Riddell, what's the status of gtk-qt engine in breezy anyways? Since current one appears to be majorly busted
[12:21] <Riddell> seth_k: last I tried it no longer caused crashes when drawing menus
[12:21] <lunitik> seth_k: Its fixed up stream...
[12:21] <Riddell> seth_k: what have you found?
[12:22] <seth_k> Riddell, last I tried it did the menu crash thing... there hasn't been an update since your update on July 6?
[12:22] <seth_k> so I assumed it still was a crasher, let me reinstall and see
[12:22] <delltony> seth actually i find it works
[12:23] <seth_k> delltony, with breezy?
[12:23] <Riddell> it drew menus back for some reason though
[12:23] <delltony> aww true to that
[12:23] <lunitik> seth_k: (version in SUSE RC1 works without issue (well, except for a few odities to do with dragable widgets and list menu's)
[12:23] <Riddell> s/back/black/
[12:23] <lunitik> I don't know the correct name... both can be found easily in Gimp though....
[12:23] <Riddell> lunitik: do you know if suse uses cairo gtk?
[12:23] <seth_k> ah, Riddell you're correct
[12:23] <seth_k> no crash, but black menus
[12:23] <lunitik> Riddell: it does indeed...
[12:24] <delltony> i'm curious to know why kubuntu doesn't come with ndiswrapper
[12:24] <lunitik> Riddell: thats what the original issues were... cairo functionality broke GTK-Qt... but its been fixed since beta 2 ...
[12:24] <Riddell> delltony: it's in main I think
[12:24] <delltony> well yeah
[12:24] <Riddell> lunitik: beta 2 of which?
[12:24] <delltony> but its not on the cd
[12:24] <lunitik> Riddell: OpenSUSE...
[12:24] <delltony> at least i couldn't get it to install via cd
[12:25] <seth_k> delltony, iirc you have to install ndiswrapper-source and roll your own
[12:25] <delltony> i had to mae a copy of it on a cd and put it in my laptop to get it to work
[12:25] <delltony> yeah thats how i had to do it
[12:25] <delltony> i had to mod the driver
[12:25] <delltony> and all
[12:25] <Riddell> if someone wants to investigate using CVS gtk-qt-engine and suse's source of gtk-qt-engine that would be great :)
[12:25] <delltony> but ndiswrapper should be on the cd or something
[12:25] <delltony> so you can an get your system networked on a laptop i would thiink
[12:26] <delltony> just a thought
[12:27] <lunitik> Riddell: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=100697  <-- the bug itself... not sure how useful it is? (preview 4 was prior to beta1... last closed "beta")
[12:28] <Riddell> delltony: you'd still need the windows drivers from somewhere
[12:28] <chavo> Riddell, I installe cvs gtk-qt engine last night
[12:28] <Riddell> chavo: what news?
[12:29] <chavo> still broken with gtk 2.8
[12:29] <runelind> I'm trying to find drivers for the trendnet TEW-441PC card, I was under the impression that it was supported out of the box, but I guess i was wrong
[12:29] <Riddell> chavo: broken crashed?  broken black menus?
[12:29] <chavo> black menus
[12:29] <Riddell> chavo: right, useful to know, thanks
[12:30] <lunitik> Riddell: check SUSE's package.... theirs isn't perfect... but there certainly isn't a 'black menu'...
[12:31] <lunitik> Riddell: blank scrolldown menu's though... and odities in resizeable widgets..... not sure what would cause those....
[12:31] <Riddell> lunitik: in suse?
[12:32] <lunitik> Riddell: yup....
[12:32] <lunitik> Riddell: compare the two, see if they already fixed some issues others are having.... saves some time  :)
[12:32] <lunitik> s/down/don't/
[12:33] <lunitik> Looks kinda cool if you put the kmenu up there... but still... 
[12:33] <delltony> dang it i see no more mplayer again :(
[12:34] <lunitik> delltony: use kaffeine, and get the w32codecs package from extras
[12:34] <lunitik> delltony: mplayer blows
[12:34] <delltony> well i use mplayer to play stuff from websites
[12:34] <delltony> as in embedded
[12:34] <lunitik> delltony: kaffeine embeds into konqi
[12:35] <delltony> but i want to use firefox :)
[12:36] <lunitik> delltony: sudo apt-get install mplayer-nogui && sudo apt-get install mplayerplug-in  ;)
[12:36] <delltony> but its not in breezy
[12:36] <lunitik> delltony: that way... you're using mplayer in firefox... and kaffeine else where   :)
[12:37] <lunitik> delltony: whats not?
[12:37] <delltony> mplayer
[12:37] <lunitik> delltony: sure it is... in multiverse
[12:37] <delltony> then my sources is borked hang on
[12:37] <lunitik> delltony: although its somewhat useless in its form in that repo
[12:37] <delltony> well i might have to compile it
[12:37] <delltony> need transcode and all
[12:38] <lunitik> delltony: get transcode from elsewhere  :/
[12:38] <lunitik> delltony: but you definatly want the app itself to be using gcc4  ;)
[12:38] <lunitik> Makes it much faster........
[12:39] <delltony> can you hook me up with some source?
[12:39] <delltony> and some configure lines to pass to ./configure
[12:40] <Riddell> lunitik: mac os x style menus?
[12:40] <lunitik> delltony: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted   <--- add that to sources.list ... has transcode in restricted
[12:41] <seth_k> I found it, Riddell: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-current/inst-source/suse/src/gtk-qt-engine-0.6cvs20050229-8.src.rpm
[12:41] <delltony> thats hoary though
[12:41] <delltony> will i have to pin it or something?
[12:41] <lunitik> Riddell: right click desktop > configure desktop > behavior > Menu Bar at Top of Screen
[12:41] <lunitik> delltony: it'll be fine  :)
[12:42] <lunitik> delltony: just make sure you upgrade when breezy-extras is available  ;)
[12:42] <Riddell> seth_k: well done :)
[12:42] <Riddell> lunitik: works ok for me, what should resize?
[12:42] <lunitik> Riddell: any and all icons....
[12:43] <lunitik> Riddell: they should be the same as in the bottem panel....
[12:43] <Riddell> lunitik: in the menus?  they should be 16x16
[12:43] <lunitik> Riddell: it seems to be set to "small" ... and the icons are cut off at the top and bottem here...
[12:43] <lunitik> Riddell: just install it
[12:43] <lunitik> Riddell: rpm -i foo.rpm
[12:44] <delltony> cool the good ol error i had long time back with transcode and he dang cvs error
[12:44] <lunitik> Riddell: it'll fart out a bunch of crap like extracting a tar.gz
[12:44] <Riddell> lunitik: screenshot?
[12:44] <lunitik> Riddell: sure... hold on
[12:44] <lunitik> Riddell: ps... you should make the default settings bind Print to KSnapshot  ;)
[12:45] <Riddell> "%changelog -n gtk-qt-engine * Thu Aug 11 2005 - clahey@suse.de - Set a colormap on the backing pixbuf we set."  could be the one
[12:45] <seth_k> ooo
[12:46] <seth_k> yes riddell, that matches the bug: "Chris has submitted a fix for this to beta 2."
[12:46] <seth_k> same initials
[12:46] <seth_k> same last name, even. That's the checkin
[12:47] <Riddell> now if only RPMs were sane and had .diff files
[12:47] <lunitik> Riddell: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/snapshot1.png   <-- note most of the icons are cut off 
[12:47] <chavo> Riddell, converted it ti .deb and I'm building it now
[12:48] <seth_k> Riddell, the kubuntu-default-settings package hardcodes the kdm theme, so I can't use "Login Manager" to change backgrounds or anything. The fix is to comment out the Theme line in kdmrc. Is this a kdm bug or kubuntu-default-settings bug?
[12:48] <seth_k> (for filing purposes on Bugzilla)
[12:48] <Riddell> ah hah gtk-qt-engine-colormapless-pixmap.patch
[12:48] <lunitik> Riddell: :)
[12:49] <chavo> it works
[12:49] <lunitik> Riddell: my error... is it a settings issue here... or a bug there?
[12:49] <lunitik> Riddell: if its a settings issue, where would I change it?
[12:49] <chavo> Riddell, the patch is working
[12:49] <chavo> I applied it to my cvs checkout
[12:50] <lunitik> (as I said, this is an old install that happened to boot when I put in a new hd...)
[12:50] <Riddell> lunitik: works for me, when I add applets to that menu they use 16x16 icons, you seem to be getting 22x22 icons for some reason
[12:51] <lunitik> Riddell: hmm... let me just go change the setting then... likely just something I did here a while ago...
[12:54] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh... it won't let me change the size... says its using 32 though  :/
[12:54] <Riddell> lunitik: where do you get to do (not) that?
[12:54] <lunitik> Riddell: funny thing is.... the bottem icons are fine....
[12:55] <lunitik> kcontrol > appearence and themes  > icons > panel
[12:55] <Riddell> lunitik: what version of KDE?
[12:56] <lunitik> Riddell: Breezy ... 3.4.2 + patches I'd guess  ;)
[12:57] <lunitik> Riddell: just dist-upgrade'd like an hour ago....
[12:59] <libben> Riddell: cant install breezy
[12:59] <lunitik> libben: why not?
[12:59] <lunitik> libben: you typed 'dist-upgrade' ... not just 'upgrade'?
[01:00] <libben> cant find my internet access. and i dident wanna continue without being able to have internet when im installing it.
[01:00] <libben> I have my internet on a usb cable modem
[01:00] <libben> the install process only finds my ethernet card.
[01:00] <lunitik> libben: ahh... kubuntu breezy colony cd wont install?
[01:01] <libben> well, ill guess i can skip the network phase. and choose not to configure it at the moment.
[01:03] <libben> Riddell: what happends if i skip the install
[01:03] <libben> is it easy to configure it afterwards?
[01:03] <Riddell> libben: if you skip the install it won't be installed so you can't configure anything
[01:04] <libben> well, it finds it, but cant get the dhcp clearified.
[01:04] <libben> but im having some problems also with internet right now
[01:04] <libben> can only irc.
[01:04] <libben> no browsing
[01:05] <reagleBRKLN> having trouble with cd writing, `cdrecord -scanbus` yields No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. however, if i tell it to scan /dev/hdc (dvd) or /dev/hdd its fine. if I add those to xcdroast it sees them, k3b seemingly sees them, but they don't want to write to it. i can even erase a cdrw...?
[01:06] <reagleBRKLN> just like this problem http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/06/msg00080.html
[01:06] <lunitik> reagleBRKLN: -scanbus is for ide-scsi ... just cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data some.iso .... change hdc as appropriate
[01:06] <reagleBRKLN> lunitik: yes, but i'd like to use k3b
[01:07] <lunitik> reagleBRKLN: ahh... should have said that.... its not a cdrecord error in that case... just k3b being dumb  :)
[01:08] <reagleBRKLN> i did say that! ;)
[01:08] <reagleBRKLN> so when k3b has a problem, i check with cdrecord then
[01:08] <Riddell> gtk-qt is looking uber nice now
[01:08] <lunitik> Riddell: woo hoo  :)
[01:09] <lunitik> Riddell: glad to be of service... even if I did only point you in the right direction  :)
[01:09] <sml> how do i delete the autofill entries in konqueror
[01:10] <Riddell> libben: install then try and get the internet working
[01:10] <libben> how =) 
[01:10] <libben> installing i know ..
[01:11] <libben> but how to get the usb modem installed.
[01:11] <libben> well
[01:11] <libben> im of to try
[01:11] <libben> but one Q, if i install a clean horay? can i upgrade directly to breezy easyly?
[01:12] <reagleBRKLN> sml: kontrol/security/privacy
[01:13] <sml> where is kontrol?
[01:13] <reagleBRKLN> the little wrench with yellow handle
[01:13] <reagleBRKLN> kcontrol
[01:15] <sml> in 'security & privacy' there is only wallet preferences & access control?
[01:17] <reagleBRKLN> in 'security & privacy'  i also have privacy which allows mean to clear completion, cache, cookies, etc
[01:26] <lunitik> Ahh.... Riddell, any chance you could get MSN fixes into Kopete in breezy?
[01:26] <lunitik> Riddell: I don't seem to be able to connect...
[01:30] <Riddell> lunitik: it connects for me fine
[01:30] <lunitik> Riddell: weird... bah, I keep forgetting this is an old install  :(
[01:32] <lunitik> Riddell: bah... I had changed my password since I used this install last  :/
[01:33] <Riddell> :)
[01:33] <lunitik> Riddell: heh... sorry to disturb you again  ;)
[01:34] <Riddell> no problem
[01:36] <lunitik> bah... now its not doing it.... heh
[01:37] <lunitik> Seems to only take effect when you don't expand the window by mouse over... weird... but for most, that would likely mean always?
[01:37] <filloy> hi all !
[01:38] <filloy> i cant do anything as super user, the system is not letting me log in. when i do su, and then my password, it says its incorrect, but it neves asked for password during install...
[01:38] <seth_k> filloy, kubuntu doesn't have a root login
[01:38] <seth_k> filloy, you use sudo instead
[01:38] <seth_k> sudo escalates your user to root privileges... and you just use your password
[01:38] <lunitik> filloy: sudo -i for a root environment... type your users password ...
[01:39] <filloy> ahh, ok....i Gentoo i did su, password, thats why i thought it would be that way :)
[01:40] <lunitik> filloy: just less passwords to remember  :)     .... sudo some -cmd    works also... although can be mildy frustrating...
[01:40] <seth_k> not if it's what you're used to like I am :P
[01:40] <filloy> ahh yep, ive used sudo modprobe, or sudo gedit something :p
[01:41] <lunitik> seth_k: its fine till you start pipping things etc... I always forget about things like tee  :(
[01:42] <seth_k> ah, true
[01:46] <lunitik> seth_k: ;)
[01:46] <lunitik> seth_k: hence sudo -i  ;)
[01:52] <filloy> uhmm, im using Kynaptic, but i dont know how to install packages, ive marked them, clicked in the install button, but it says i have to confirm the insall....and theres no button to do that :S
[01:52] <filloy> what shall ido ?
[01:53] <filloy> ahhhhh, forget it...the button was hidden :S
[01:53] <Mez> glad we could help
[01:53] <filloy> jaja :) yep
[03:15] <kaptaink> is there any way to change folder permissions to default?
[03:22] <lwells> HI everyone
[03:22] <nalioth> howdy
[03:23] <lwells> Is there a way to check which kernel i am running ?
[03:24] <pussfeller> uname -a
[03:25] <lwells> cool thanks
[03:26] <lwells> i am on 2.6.10-5-386 is that good?
[03:29] <seth_k> that's fine, I think that's the latest hoary kernel
[03:29] <lwells> oh so hoary maintains its own kernel
[03:31] <lwells> i just looked it up on kernel.org, and they have 2.6.13 out
[03:33] <lwells> are the updates similiar to windows updates??
[03:33] <seth_k> 2.6.12 will be in breezy
[03:34] <seth_k> only security fixes will enter Hoary
[03:34] <lwells> oh ok, sorry for me questions, i am so new to linux
[03:35] <crimsun> ubuntu's 2.6.12 has a veritable metric tonne of fixes backported from 2.6.13 and what will become 2.6.14
[03:38] <lwells> kinda greek to me
[03:38] <seth_k> 1wells, Ubuntu's kernels also have lots of ubuntu-specific patches that are not in a kernel.org kernel
[03:39] <lwells> thanks seth
[03:39] <lwells> i am trying to learn
[03:39] <Mez> go seth :D
[03:39] <lwells> i installed my first applications yesterday
[03:41] <lwells> Skype works great on here
[03:42] <nalioth> lwells: if you like learning, some of us like teaching
[03:43] <lwells> thanks nalioth, i will take you up on that, but want to try to do it first, only way i will learn
[03:44] <seth_k> word lwells; we are always here if you need help :)
[03:46] <lwells> how do i register my nick
[03:47] <chavo> lwells, look in the server messages, there's a link in there explaining it
[03:48] <chavo> lwells, http://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[04:07] <pussfeller> whats with the 2.6 kernels and the multimedia keys
[04:07] <pussfeller> evidently theres some sort of disconnect
[04:10] <static_> i'm getting this error from mplayer when i try to play a ripped dvd: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[04:10] <static_> then it crashes
[04:11] <static_> Trying to force audio codec driver family libmad..
[04:11] <static_> plays great with the -nosound option
[04:11] <static_> i might add
[04:11] <static_> wondering if anyone knows of a fix
[04:11] <static_> Opening audio decoder: [liba52]  AC3 decoding with liba52
[04:11] <static_> AC3: 2.0 (dolby)  48000 Hz  192.0 kbit/s
[04:16] <Brazmetal> Hello
[04:16] <nalioth> howdy
[04:16] <Brazmetal> does someone here use the Nvidia driver?
[04:16] <nalioth> Brazmetal: i do
[04:17] <Brazmetal> nalioth: do you have the nvidia-settings program?
[04:17] <nalioth> Brazmetal: idk. i dont mess with my display
[04:18] <Brazmetal> ehehehe it doesn't mess the display, it's just a information tool
[04:18] <nalioth> Brazmetal: i've never been curious
[04:19] <Brazmetal> I installed it and it says that the bus type is PCi... But my card is an AGO one
[04:19] <nalioth> Brazmetal: are you sure you got what you paid for?
[04:20] <hussam> OO.o 1.9.128 is out. but beta 2 = 1.9.125 , So, it 1.9.125 the one that will ship in breezy
[04:20] <Brazmetal> nalioth: ehehehehe sure... I know how to diff. PCI x AGP cards :P
[04:22] <chavo> Brazmetal, nvidia-settings reports my bus correctly
[04:22] <chavo> but I installed from source 7676
[04:22] <chavo> well the nvidia installer
[04:22] <Brazmetal> I installed the 7667
[04:23] <chavo> yeah, those worked fine also
[04:23] <Brazmetal> chavo: isn't it a mistake in xorg.conf?
[04:24] <chavo> Brazmetal, tno I don't think so
[04:25] <Brazmetal> chavo: so what do you think about that?
[04:25] <chavo> hmmm, run lspci and see what it says about your card
[04:25] <chavo> which card is it?
[04:27] <libben> Riddell: breezy works fine so far. managed to get it installed with my things.
[04:27] <libben> ive installed synaptic and clicked in respetories, and checked the rest of the boxes.
[04:29] <Brazmetal> chavo: my card appears in lspci
[04:29] <Brazmetal> chavo:0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]  (rev a1)
[04:29] <nalioth> libben: kewl
[04:30] <libben> whats this ? when i do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in breezy and gets to the part for glcore,bitmap etc etc check boxes... its not the same ones that are checked as it were in horay
[04:31] <libben> nalioth: what should i have checked in this setting?
[04:31] <froggy25> !backports-extras
[04:31] <ubotu> froggy25: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:31] <froggy25> hahaha
[04:31] <libben> glcore was earlier unchecked as default... now its checked..and dbe is unchecked.
[04:31] <libben> whats the delio?
[04:31] <nalioth> !tell libben -about sources
[04:31] <nalioth> libben use all but backports
[04:31] <froggy25> !backport-main
[04:31] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, froggy25
[04:31] <Brazmetal> chavo: what do you think?
[04:31] <nalioth> libben: change hoary for breezy
[04:32] <froggy25> !backports
[04:32] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:32] <froggy25> !firefox
[04:32] <ubotu> Not a clue, froggy25
[04:32] <froggy25> sorry guys im looking up some stuff
[04:32] <froggy25> with ubotu
[04:32] <libben> nalioth: ive installed synaptic, and checked all the the universe boxes in there. and they were for breezy
[04:33] <chavo> Brazmetal, as far as I can tell it's normal
[04:33] <chavo> look at the BusID line in xorg.conf
[04:33] <libben> but there were just 4 of them to check... two of those was normal debs and src. and the other two were the same as the first two, but with the word security.
[04:33] <Brazmetal> chavo: BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[04:34] <nalioth> libben: those will be find for now
[04:34] <Brazmetal> is it correct Chavo ?
[04:34] <libben> nalioth: what should i choose in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:34] <libben> i mean the gfx card stuff
[04:34] <chavo> hmm well it seems to be working fine
[04:34] <libben> some diffrent check boxes are checked right now
[04:34] <libben> glcore wasnt checked earlier as default, now it is.
[04:35] <chavo> mine says => BusID           "PCI:3:0:0"
[04:35] <libben> and dbe is unchecked.
[04:35] <Brazmetal> Chavo eheheheh
[04:36] <nalioth> libben: why are you reconfigging your display?
[04:36] <libben> cause i only have 60 hz, on my crt... hurts my eye
[04:36] <chavo> Brazmetal, I think AGP is attached to PCI bus anyway, no?
[04:36] <chavo> it's just given it's own path and bandwidth ahead of the rest of bus
[04:36] <libben> i wanna do the advance thingy for my monitor so i can specify my Hor and Vert values.
[04:36] <Brazmetal> chavo: yes it is...
[04:37] <nalioth> libben: it's generally good to leave the sections alone except the section you are immediately concerned with
[04:38] <libben> true, but this never been a problem, but all sudden the checkboxes are diffrent checked now.
[04:38] <nalioth> libben: leave the sections alone that you are not concened with
[04:38] <libben> record,v4l,dbe are unchecked.
[04:39] <libben> glcore,dri,ddc,bitmap,extmod,freetype,glx,int10,type1,vbe are checked.
[04:48] <vu> Hello
[04:49] <vu> Anybody home?
[04:49] <nalioth> howdy
[04:49] <vu> Hehe the man hey...a question I have an old G3 (white one) and cannot boot of the CD. ANy idea how to install kubuntu?
[04:52] <nalioth> vu: an imac? ibook?
[04:53] <vu> It's the old white tower G3 you know from 1998
[04:55] <nalioth> vu: old world or new world?
[04:55] <nalioth> and is it beige or really white?
[05:16] <viator> is there anything wrong with the  new 5.10 preview?
[05:17] <viator> i checked the md5 before burning it was fine
[05:17] <nalioth> viator: it's not complete yet
[05:17] <viator> then it fails on installing base system
[05:17] <nalioth> viator: yes, it's a developement/preview release
[05:17] <nalioth> viator: not ready for production use yet
[05:17] <viator> any idea how to get around this?
[05:18] <nalioth> viator: dont install it
[05:19] <viator> says the ./pool/main/l/lcms1_1.13-1_i386.deb file failed md5 my cdrom may have been corrupted
[05:20] <nalioth> did you md5 the cd "after" burning?
[05:20] <viator> im RE burning at 4x to mak sure its ok
[05:20] <Xorlev> Maybe this KDE update will fix my freezing problems ^_^
[05:21] <viator> freezing under kde 3.3?
[05:23] <Xorlev> viator: Haven't tried the preview yet, but I will.
[05:25] <viator> so far so good
[05:25] <viator> fingers croosed
[05:25] <viator> bb
[05:32] <libben> preview seems fine so far.
[05:33] <libben> of to sleep
[05:33] <libben> nn all
[06:14] <chavo> !botsnack
[06:14] <ubotu> thanks chavo :)
[06:14] <vu> What's an equivalent od SBM for an old white tower G3 that somehow will boot OS9 but not the Ubuntu?
[06:14] <dbernar1> !
[06:14] <ubotu> No idea, dbernar1
[06:15] <dbernar1> nice, sorry, thats it.
[06:18] <nalioth> vu: follow the wiki here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/OldWorldMacs
[06:23] <True_Chaos|Lapto> when I sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source and sudo apt-get ndiswrapper-utils, is there anything else I need to do to install it?
[06:24] <nalioth> True_Chaos|Lapto: that command should do it
[06:25] <nalioth> True_Chaos|Lapto: i'm not familiar with the operation of ndiswrapper after that
[06:26] <True_Chaos|Lapto> ok, thanks
[06:33] <vu> nalioth, Thanx.
[06:44] <nalioth> thoreauputic! where you been?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> nalioth: sleeping?
[06:45] <nalioth> thoreauputic! been saving lots of questions for you in here
[06:45] <nalioth> heh
[06:45] <thoreauputic> oh no... /me runs
[06:45] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:45] <nalioth> maybe not in here, but certainly in #ubuntu
[06:45] <nalioth> lots of the curious are appearing
[07:02] <`Nomad> Hi..  I'm trying to setup egroupware on Kubuntu, but i can't find the initial username and passwords used during setup..
[07:03] <`Nomad> anybody knows?
[07:07] <ceal105> hello... i was wondering if there is any diferences between ubuntu and kubuntu besides of course kde..
[07:58] <jesusfish> hmmm...this should be interesting...lets see how smooth it is to go from hoary to breezy
[07:59] <nalioth> jesusfish: if you're on ppc, you have a ride ahead of you
[07:59] <jesusfish> nalioth: nope, x86
[07:59] <nalioth> jesusfish: enjoy
[08:00] <jesusfish> hmm, looks like it has the modular version of xorg
[08:03] <nalioth> jesusfish: it's quite delicious (even broken on my ibook)
[09:39] <DeepB> anyone here running breezy & kde would be willing to create a folder with []  on its name and try to get inside it using konqueror, please?
[09:40] <chavo> DeepB, it's a known issue, it is fixed fir 3.5
[09:40] <chavo> I'll look into getting a patch into breezy though
[09:41] <DeepB> oh, ok, i thought it was just me, even though i tried under several user accounts
[09:41] <ztonzy> morning :)
[09:41] <DeepB> is it an upstream bug?
[09:42] <chavo> yeah, for now the only workaround is to rename the folder
[09:42] <ztonzy> anyone know how to get the java working in Konquoreror that already work in Firefox/Epiphany?
[09:42] <DeepB> yeah, hard to do that on a torrent seeded folder :(
[09:42] <chavo> true
[09:44] <DeepB> ztonzy: have you tried adding the current firefox plugin folder to the ones of Konqui?
[09:44] <DeepB> i think it should be there already, but you better check that out
[09:45] <chavo> ztonzy, konq should pick it up
[09:45] <ztonzy> DeepB, that's an issue...I have hard time to find its pluginfolder...kde seems to scatter the folders everywhere
[09:45] <ztonzy> chavo, did before...not this time :(
[09:45] <chavo> kde doesn't have plugin folder, it uses mozilla\firefox plugins
[09:45] <chavo> java is not a plugin though, there's a seperate tab to config java
[09:47] <ztonzy> I know
[09:48] <ztonzy> I have set it to 'java' 'java_vm'  even to the folder where it is exactly pointing etc etc
[09:48] <chavo> hmm. type -> which java, in a konsole. See if it picks it up
[09:49] <ztonzy> uh
[09:49] <ztonzy> didnt happen anything :-\
[09:50] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:50] <ztonzy> maybe the path in systemsettings for java isn't set ?
[09:51] <ztonzy> thought it was by auto
[09:51] <DeepB> chavo: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13847
[09:51] <DeepB> chavo: can't seem to find any other bug related to this
[09:52] <chavo> DeepB, I'm trying to find the bug in kde bugzilla too
[09:54] <DeepB> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108130
[09:54] <DeepB> that should be it
[09:55] <DeepB> buenos dias P3L|C4N0 
[09:55] <DeepB> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107170
[09:56] <DeepB> latest was a dupe
[09:57] <chavo> DeepB, thanks
[09:57] <P3L|C4N0> HI DeepB 
[09:58] <ztonzy> chavo, any clue why ?
[09:59] <chavo> ztonzy, no it just works for me
[09:59] <ztonzy>  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04 <--- installed like that
[10:01] <DeepB> ztonzy: make a symlink of the java binary there to somewhere on your path
[10:01] <ztonzy> DeepB, sure...forgot where to set it only...sorry
[10:02] <chavo> I put /usr/java/default/bin in my PATH
[10:02] <chavo> it's been so long since I installed it, don't remember doing that
[10:02] <ztonzy> how to find/Set path ?  (still no expert in linux)
[10:03] <chavo> ztonzy, you can do it system wide in /etc/profile or put it in your .bashrc
[10:04] <ztonzy> chavo, sure will look
[10:04] <chavo> export PATH=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin:$PATH
[10:04] <DeepB> ztonzy: as usual, tmtowtdt
[10:05] <chavo> or you can just ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin /java /usr/bin
[10:05] <ztonzy> DeepB, lol what ?
[10:05] <DeepB> either /etc/environment or /etc/profile, or .bashrc or /etc/skel/.bashrc for new users, etc..
[10:06] <chavo> but then it will break when you upgrade jave
[10:06] <DeepB> There's More Than One Way To Do That
[10:06] <chavo> that's why I have /usr/java/default -> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_07
[10:07] <chavo> then wehn I upgrade I just change the synlink
[10:07] <chavo> damn  can't type
[10:07] <chavo> ooh, my cp -a is finally done
[10:07] <ztonzy> chavo, so I can set such symlink with "default" ?
[10:08] <chavo> ztonzy, cd /usr/java -> sudo ln -s jre1.5.0_04 default
[10:08] <chavo> then add /usr/java/default/bin to your PATH
[10:09] <ztonzy> chavo, ah 
[10:11] <chavo> gtg, going to boot into my breezy partition and see if I can fix that dirname thing
[10:13] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:14] <ztonzy> I got no /etc/profile  how does it come I haven't ?
[10:54] <ztonzy> chavo, I tried to export path as well...didnt work...in what file does $PATH exist ?
[10:56] <chavo> ztonzy: you can put it in ~/.bashrc
[10:58] <ztonzy> chavo, as extra at bottom? like 'export $PATH="/usr/java/default"  ??
[10:59] <chavo> ztonzy: export PATH=/usr/java/default/java/bin:$PATH
[11:00] <chavo> then run -> source ~/.bashrc
[11:00] <chavo> then -> which java
[11:01] <ztonzy> ah ok
[02:21] <cvt> gawd, i hate suffering.
[02:30] <libb3n> is there something that messes with my connection... ivet rejoined every 15-25 minutes.
[02:32] <nikkia> argh, there's about 20 people dressed as chickens outside my window
[02:49] <ubuntu> hi
[02:51] <ubuntu> hi can anyone tell my how to change the desktop-resolution? atm it is 640x480 and i can't change it in the kde kontroll-center...
[03:03] <libb3n>  ubuntu right click on desktop.
[03:03] <libb3n> and choose configure desktop
[03:03] <libb3n> and then take the submenu display
[03:04] <libb3n> and if u cant choose any more resses from that dropdown box, fix ur horizontal and vertical values for ur monitor. u can do it by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:07] <znh> nikkia, may I talk?
[03:17] <ubuntu> libb3n: but i dont know the horz. and vert. values for this monitor... cuz its not my workstation ;)
[03:19] <DocTomoe> Trying again :) ... I still have this problem with KDE language support in breezy. Anyone interested in giving a helping idea? 
[03:33] <McScruff> lo
[04:01] <znh> hmm.. what is the meaning of /tmp ?
[04:06] <cvt> is there an option to make the pointer go to the default button on kubuntu?
[04:19] <marat> halllo
[04:20] <marat> kubuntu is the shit
[04:20] <cvt> no shit
[04:23] <OculusAquilae> cvt: ??
[04:24] <cvt> hi
[04:24] <cvt> how are you?
[04:24] <OculusAquilae> hi cvt
[04:24] <OculusAquilae> fine, and you?
[04:24] <cvt> i'm itching because of the pain medicine i'm on, but besides that i have splendid plans ahead of me.
[04:25] <cvt> for one, i'm getting my digital camcorder in the mail next week
[04:25] <cvt> and i'm taking on a really easy job that will pay well
[04:25] <cvt> another job added to my present one.
[04:25] <cvt> heh
[04:26] <OculusAquilae> hm
[04:26] <cvt> so you know how to get the pointer to go to the default button?
[04:26] <cvt> automatically when a new window opens
[04:26] <cvt> [hate to mention it, but winxp had it] 
[04:26] <cvt> no big deal...
[04:27] <cvt> i was looking for more storage space online for large files but i'm coming to the realization that i probably don't need to store so much
[04:29] <cvt> anyways, my emergency project is getting the dvd player software to work
[04:29] <OculusAquilae> cvt: have you looked in kcontrol for this option?
[04:29] <OculusAquilae> dont know about it
[04:29] <cvt> briefly
[04:29] <cvt> but i just thought about it today... so i'll look agian.
[04:29] <cvt> good idea 
[04:32] <jpatrick> Anyone know if it's safe to upgrade Breezy's X?
[04:32] <cvt> i wish, i am going to try to be a linux professional
[04:32] <cvt> become
[04:34] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: save not, but save enought
[04:35] <jpatrick> OculusAquilae: :/
[04:35] <cvt> here's how i have my desktop organized:
[04:35] <cvt> first i have two main folders on my desktop--copied and out
[04:35] <cvt> copied are files i have backed up which consists of he vast majority
[04:36] <cvt> the out  folder are files i need to send to my external hd's
[04:36] <cvt> inside the copied folder i have these five categories:
[04:36] <cvt> 1. bt [bittorrent files only] 
[04:37] <cvt> 2. docs 3. mus [music]  4. pics 5. progs 6. virus [pr0n] 
[04:38] <cvt> in the bt folder i have folders for tv, mus [music like mp3's] , movies [or videos] , and then progs
[04:38] <cvt> bt.progs consists of cracked warez
[04:38] <cvt> so i hope this may be helpful to someone
[04:39] <OculusAquilae> cvt: what do you want?
[04:39] <cvt> umm, i want my dvd player to work
[04:39] <cvt> it skips really bad...
[04:39] <cvt> ...it needs a player
[04:39] <cvt> or codecs.
[04:39] <jpatrick> Use Kaffeine
[04:39] <cvt> the actual hardware is flawless
[04:39] <cvt> ok
[04:39] <cvt> wait
[04:39] <cvt> i tried
[04:39] <cvt> it is really bad... hold on i'll try again.
[04:40] <jpatrick> you need libdvdcss installed
[04:40] <cvt> oho koo
[04:40] <cvt> i'll look for it thx
[04:40] <jpatrick> It's in the repos
[04:40] <jpatrick> apt-get install libdvdcss
[04:40] <cvt> tytytyt
[04:41] <jpatrick> libdvdcss allows you to watch DVDs
[04:42] <cvt> Package libdvdcss is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:42] <jpatrick> :/
[04:43] <jpatrick> Do you have all the repos enabled?
[04:43] <cvt> this may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source.
[04:43] <cvt> i don't know
[04:43] <cvt> i never understood that concept
[04:43] <jpatrick> check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[04:44] <cvt> Retrieving data from system is not supported.
[04:44] <cvt> error
[04:45] <jpatrick> open konqueror and go to the /etc/apt/ directory
[04:45] <cvt> Permission denied
[04:45] <cvt> k
[04:46] <cvt> there
[04:46] <jpatrick> there's a file called sources.list -> right click it -> Actions -> Edit as root
[04:46] <cvt> k done
[04:47] <jpatrick> remove all the #'s in front of the word deb
[04:47] <cvt> k
[04:47] <cvt> there aren't any
[04:48] <jpatrick> :/
[04:48] <cvt> only in front of ##Major bug fix
[04:48] <cvt> ##distribution
[04:48] <cvt> ##uncomment
[04:48] <cvt> etc...
[04:48] <jpatrick> Don't remove those ones
[04:50] <cvt> there are some libdvd's in kynaptic
[04:50] <cvt> should i try install those?
[04:50] <jpatrick> try it
[04:50] <cvt> k
[04:51] <jpatrick> better than nothing
[04:52] <cvt> ok i tried three of them
[04:52] <cvt> i read a little about each explanatioin
[04:53] <cvt> nope
[04:53] <cvt> still horrible dvd quality
[04:54] <jpatrick> Is this from a DVD or file?
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> cvt: is it bad quality or lagging
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> ?
[04:55] <nikkia> cvt, tbh, if the picture is viewable, its not going to be libdvdcss or libdvdread that you need
[04:55] <cvt> it's really bad sticking
[04:55] <nikkia> its more likely that you're not using xv as the output device
[04:55] <cvt> so yes lagging
[04:55] <cvt> oh
[04:56] <cvt> xv as the output device, huh?
[04:56] <cvt> okay...
[04:56] <nikkia> cvt, xv is *sort of* a generic video playback method for X11
[04:56] <nikkia> (its called 'XVideo' in the X11 extensions list)
[04:57] <nikkia> if you're not using the right driver, or you have xv disabled, OR you aren't using xv as the output device, all the stuff like YUV->RGB and scaling/deinterlacing have to be done in software, and that can be slow
[04:57] <nikkia> hence the video playback can be jumpy and 'poor' without xv playback
[05:00] <cvt> ok
[05:00] <cvt> i'll search 
[05:00] <nikkia> cvt, the first step is to do 'xdpyinfo' and check you have the XVideo extension
[05:00] <cvt> why did it ask me to put the ubuntu cd back in the drive when i unchecked those items i just installed?
[05:00] <cvt> k
[05:01] <cvt> i'm there
[05:02] <cvt> i don't see xdpyinfo
[05:03] <cvt> The X. Org Foundation
[05:03] <cvt> ??
[05:03] <cvt> X Org version 6.8.2?
[05:03] <jpatrick> That's your X server
[05:03] <cvt> the dvd's used to play flawlessly 
[05:04] <cvt> something happend along the way
[05:04] <cvt> maybe when i installed some other players or codecs 
[05:04] <cvt> i dont know
[05:04] <cvt> but i know it's capable of playing dvd's flawlessly
[05:04] <cvt> for some reason it's just not doing that right now
[05:04] <nikkia> cvt, you need to pipe the output of xdpyinfo thru less, so you can read the extensions section
[05:05] <cvt> how do i do that?
[05:06] <nikkia> xdpyinfo | less
[05:07] <cvt> number of extensions: 32
[05:07] <cvt> etc...
[05:07] <nikkia> is XVideo in the list ?
[05:07] <cvt> vendor string: The X. Org Foundation
[05:07] <cvt> no
[05:07] <nikkia> cvt, then, chances are you're using a generic driver with no hardware acceleration
[05:08] <cvt> i'll look in kynaptic though
[05:08] <nikkia> which would very likely explain why dvd playback is lousy :)
[05:08] <cvt> soliste, that has to do with compaq?
[05:08] <cvt> my computer manufacturer
[05:08] <nikkia> what video card do you have?
[05:09] <cvt> directx 9.0c?
[05:09] <cvt> or ati
[05:09] <cvt> 9000 igp
[05:09] <cvt> ?
[05:09] <nikkia> oh dear
[05:09] <cvt> i don't know
[05:09] <cvt> i could play dvd's on windows fine
[05:10] <jpatrick> cvt: Open KInfoCenter
[05:10] <cvt> and i could play dvd's on kubuntu fine aslo
[05:10] <nikkia> yes, you could, but getting ATI cards working on linux isn't much fun
[05:10] <cvt> also
[05:10] <cvt> something happened
[05:10] <cvt> k
[05:10] <cvt> i'm there
[05:10] <cvt> kinfocenter
[05:10] <jpatrick> No wait I don't think it's listed there
[05:15] <cvt> i'm still extremely happy i have gotten this far on kubuntu via unbuntu
[05:15] <cvt> no worries
[05:15] <cvt> i will get it working someday
[05:15] <cvt> i feel like i did when i first got my own winxp computer for the first tiem...
[05:15] <cvt> time... only now i feel like this experience is less of a waste of time.
[05:16] <cvt> When i try to access System icons like my Home Folder i get an error message:
[05:16] <cvt> REtrieving data from system is not supported.
[05:17] <cvt> and that's a new problem
[05:17] <cvt> only one person on the net has the same problem
[05:44] <mcscruff> lo
[05:44] <mcscruff> anyone here
[05:46] <cvt> hi
[05:54] <mcscruff> has anyone got the new preview cd to install?
[05:56] <cvt> i wish
[05:56] <cvt> my bookmarks are the single most important file atm
[05:56] <cvt> how do i install java?
[05:56] <cvt> http://myspeed.visualware.com/   this site requires it
[05:56] <cvt> to test my cable speed
[05:56] <cvt> do they all require java?
[05:57] <mcscruff> i tried to install the new cd and it says /var error out of room thing
[05:58] <cvt> god dammit
[05:58] <cvt> why doesn't java install itself in firefox?
[05:59] <cvt> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[05:59] <cvt> i downloaded that and tried clicking it
[06:00] <cvt> i know, i'll try kynaptic now
[06:02] <cvt> i just dl'ed every java look-a-like in there
[06:02] <cvt> 110 mB
[06:02] <cvt> :(
[06:03] <cvt> i hate not knowing what i'm doing... but i've got to get used to it.
[06:04] <nikkia> cvt...
[06:04] <nikkia> !java
[06:04] <ubotu> it has been said that java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:04] <slow-motion> hello
[06:06] <cvt> hi
[06:06] <gdh> =)
[06:07] <nalioth> howdy
[06:10] <cvt> sun-j2rel.5 is not in synaptic
[06:10] <cvt> :(
[06:11] <gdh> ha, Java installation was the last thing in my IRC history :)
[06:11] <gdh> [Wed Sep 7 2005]  [22:22:15]  <nalioths_dog> libben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[06:14] <cvt> no clue
[06:14] <cvt> it's not in kynaptic or synaptic
[06:14] <cvt> i tried apt-get 
[06:15] <gdh> first use synaptic to enable the universe + multiverse repositories, that will give you 'java-package'
[06:15] <gdh> you need to get the JRE 'bin' file from java.sun.com directly - not in synaptic
[06:16] <cvt> but how do i know which java to get from sun.com?
[06:16] <cvt> or java.com
[06:16] <nikkia> cvt, its fairly simple
[06:16] <nikkia> cvt, there's only really 2, the JRE and the JDK
[06:16] <nikkia> if you want to develop java apps, you need the JDK, if you don't, you need the JRE
[06:17] <nikkia> the JDK includes the JRE
[06:17] <gdh> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=22&PartDetailId=jre-1.5.0_04-oth-JPR&SiteId=JSC&TransactionId=noreg
[06:17] <gdh> is likely what you want
[06:17] <cvt> i see linux rpm and linux
[06:17] <gdh> " Linux self-extracting file"
[06:17] <gdh> not RPM
[06:17] <nikkia> cvt, you want the .bin file, ie, not the RPM
[06:17] <cvt> k
[06:18] <cvt> jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[06:18] <cvt> i had the wrong one
[06:21] <delltony> morning: anyone here know how to get mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer installed on breezy?
[06:21] <cvt> i dl'ed that java file but it wouldn't extract or run
[06:21] <cvt> i got an error
[06:22] <gdh> you're not supposed to run it..
[06:22] <cvt> i'm totally missing it.
[06:22] <gdh> again, "[17:12]  <gdh> [Wed Sep 7 2005]  [22:22:15]  <nalioths_dog> libben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] " :)
[06:22] <cvt> that doesn't work for me.
[06:22] <cvt> apt-get install java-package didn't work
[06:22] <gdh> what part doesn't work, what error message?
[06:23] <cvt> in root terminal
[06:23] <cvt> ok hold...
[06:23] <gdh> did you enable universe and multiverse repositories in synaptic?
[06:23] <cvt> no
[06:23] <cvt> i'll try that again
[06:25] <cvt> i'm at repositories now
[06:27] <cvt> almost done
[06:28] <cvt> "Once the package list has been updated, packages from universe can be installed."  
[06:28] <cvt> what does that mean?
[06:28] <cvt> that's as far as i can get atm
[06:29] <gdh> it means exactly what it says - now update the package list :)
[06:29] <gdh> (press the 'reload' button)
[06:29] <cvt> i did
[06:29] <gdh> that should be it then- just apt-get install java-package..
[06:29] <cvt> packages from universe?
[06:29] <cvt> oh
[06:29] <cvt> ok
[06:29] <delltony> is java in backports or something?
[06:30] <delltony> cause i'm running breezy and i don't see any sun java at all myself
[06:30] <gdh> delltony: no idea .. but java-package (a script to convert the java.sun.com binary to a .deb) is in universe
[06:30] <gdh> no, my bad - it's in multiverse  :/
[06:30] <delltony> oh its just the script ok
[06:30] <cvt> Couldn't find package java
[06:30] <kurt> Is it a bug that kopete crashes whenever spellchecking is enabled?
[06:31] <cvt> apt-get install java package
[06:31] <gdh> cvt: you're missing the hyphen java-package
[06:31] <gdh> not 'java package'
[06:31] <cvt> apt-get install java-package
[06:32] <cvt> Couldn't find package java-package
[06:32] <gdh> k, did you enable 'multiverse' in synaptic as well as universe?
[06:32] <gdh> you need to :)
[06:33] <cvt> there was already checks in all the boxes
[06:33] <cvt> every one
[06:34] <cvt> downloading package information again
[06:35] <cvt> i'm in repositories and every box is already checked
[06:35] <cvt> ?
[06:36] <cvt> we tried
[06:37] <cvt> they've always been checked, i dont see how i can check it more than once
[06:37] <cvt> they were checked when i  got there
[06:38] <cvt> do i just highlight them and click ok?
[06:39] <kurt> Is it a bug that kopete crashes whenever spellchecking is enabled? (3.4.2)
[06:39] <cvt> Couldn't find package java-package
[06:40] <cvt> fuck it, i give up.
[06:42] <delltony> cvt why don't you try the wiki version 
[06:42] <delltony> of downloading sun-j2re1.5
[06:42] <delltony> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show&redirect=Java15
[06:42] <kurt> cvt: try apt-get install make-jpkg fakeroot
[06:46] <delltony> anyone been able to find mplayer yet? i kinda like it cause i use an extention for firefox to view launch 
[06:47] <delltony> cvt that link i gave you works in breezy and i use it in hoary before too
[06:47] <delltony> so give it a shot
[06:52] <KWizzard> hi there
[06:53] <KWizzard> does anybody knows how to enable smooth scrolling in Konqueror web browser?
[06:55] <delltony> does kaffiene not handle stuff like this
[06:55] <delltony> No URI handler implemented for "http://today.launch.yahoo.com/player/medialog.asp?vid=21239561&bw=768&mf=1&pid=4&ps=0&p1=2&p2=15&p3=2&rpid=35&pv=9&bp=Windows%20NT&csid=396500550&uid=1516004866&pguid=PyaXM005zWzyTwqY7Ez6Yg&etid=0&uguid=36hehil0h22a2&fcv=&z=ms.asx"
[07:03] <delltony> any word yet on the gtk-engine-qt bug that makes the black menu's?
[07:05] <seth_k> delltony, fixed
[07:06] <seth_k> delltony, new package uploaded yesterday evening
[07:07] <seth_k> KWizzard, i don't think Konq can smoothscroll
[07:09] <delltony> really?
[07:09] <delltony> and the package name for my reference is qtk-engine-qt right
[07:09] <delltony> otherwise ill have to go look for the specifics
[07:10] <seth_k> no
[07:10] <seth_k> !info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[07:10] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: (Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.60-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 296 kB
[07:11] <delltony> prety close 
[07:11] <delltony> thanks
[07:11] <mcscruff> lo
[07:11] <mcscruff> has anyone got the new preview disk to install
[07:11] <delltony> yep
[07:11] <delltony> using it now
[07:12] <mcscruff> ffs, mine wont install
[07:12] <mcscruff> i get a /var error
[07:12] <mcscruff> no disk room
[07:12] <delltony> anyone use kaffeine with launch.yahoo?
[07:16] <delltony> damn it damn it damn it i need mplayer and mozilla-mplayer
[07:18] <KWizzard> it is possible to turn off font smoothing in Wine applications? (IE6)
[07:19] <tule> hello- i've just installed kbuntu. what is the trick for playing mp3s with Amarok?
[07:20] <filloy> hello all !!......i need some help with installing Synaptic Package Mannger, cuz i dont like Kynaptic. The thing is i cant find it with Kynaptic,and i think my repositories are...low? i dont have that much. any idea on how to do that ?
[07:21] <filloy> tule i think you need to install some gstreamer8 packages, theres a webpage of ubuntu telling which ones you need....let me find it for you, ineed it too :)
[07:22] <tule> thanks.. filloy
[07:22] <genbie> anyone knows how to add a locale that usues the "windows encodings" as opposed to UTF in ubuntu plz? problem is that i have to run some wine app that require that crap windows encoding!
[07:23] <filloy> tule, look, this will help you...http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs there you have all the codecs you need to install to play almost any file, wmv, avi, mp3 and all that stuff
[07:23] <tule> thanks again filloy. i suppose i should have looked there first.. :)
[07:23] <filloy> no problem :)
[07:25] <nalioth> filloy: please keep ubuntuguide to yourself
[07:25] <nalioth> tule: do you use i386?
[07:25] <tule> yes
[07:26] <nalioth> tule: dont read too much at ubuntuguide, it'll get you into trouble
[07:26] <tule> really? why is that?
[07:26] <filloy> nalioth sorry man, i didnt know :)
[07:26] <filloy> they say its just pure instructions, no explain :p
[07:26] <nalioth> filloy: it has some pure wrong stuff in it, too
[07:27] <filloy> nalioth wow, i thought it was great :P jeje now i know what not to consult
[07:28] <nalioth> filloy: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:28] <jpatrick> filloy: use Adept
[07:31] <filloy> japtrick Adept ?
[07:31] <jpatrick> http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[07:32] <filloy> ohh !!...is it good ? more than Synaptic ?
[07:32] <jpatrick> It's for KDE
[07:32] <filloy> jpatrick allright, ill try it :) thanx
[07:32] <nalioth> filloy: it's a kynaptic replacement, it seems
[07:33] <jpatrick> filloy: the developer is here
[07:33] <filloy> nalioth, i didnt like kynaptic :)
[07:33] <jpatrick> it replaces it
[07:33] <nalioth> filloy: perhaps you'll enjoy adept better
[07:33] <filloy> jpatrick and nalioth, ok, ill try to install it :) and see whats up with it :) thanx !
[07:34] <nalioth> filloy: keep in mind, adept is smokin-hot-new-software
[07:34] <filloy> nalioth ok :)
[07:38] <cvt> i wish i was smarter
[07:38] <cvt> is there a bandwidth test that doesn't run on java?
[07:38] <filloy> search google.com bandwith meter, youll find some
[07:38] <cvt> kthx
[07:39] <filloy> uhmm, when i was i gnome i could do sudo gedit /file to edit a file in that program, which is the equivalent in kubuntu ?
[07:40] <jpatrick> kdesu kwrite /file
[07:40] <filloy> ahh, great !
[07:41] <Tm_T> hi kids
[07:41] <seth_k> filloy, what tule wanted for mp3s was akode-mpeg, not gstreamer-*
[07:42] <seth_k> i believe
[07:42] <filloy> seth_k uhmm, i had gstreamer for rythmbox and it worked, thats why i told him that :)
[07:42] <seth_k> filloy, amarok doesn't use the gstreamer engine by default in hoary
[07:42] <nalioth> filloy: or kdesu <your favorite text editor--including gedit> /path/to/file
[07:42] <jpatrick> seth_k: depends
[07:42] <filloy> you say its akode-mpeg ? ill install it :)
[07:43] <filloy> nalioth ahh, learning a lot today :)
[07:43] <seth_k> jpatrick, methinks default setup still used arts
[07:43] <seth_k> jpatrick, until about halfway through breezy
[07:43] <jpatrick> "Kubuntu CDs do not include MP3 support, install gstreamer-mad from universe." <- that's for Breezy
[07:43] <seth_k> correct
[07:43] <filloy> jpatrick :)
[07:43] <seth_k> but for Hoary, it was akode-mpeg
[07:44] <seth_k> i could find the changelog entry but meh, am busy watching football :)
[07:44] <nalioth> seth_k: american football or real football?
[07:45] <seth_k> nalioth, american
[07:45] <nalioth> seth_k: just kiddin
[07:45] <seth_k> ;)
[07:45] <filloy> ive always wandered how you do that ?, i mean the * filloy thinks bla bla...
[07:45] <Tm_T> filloy: /me foobar
[07:45] <seth_k>  /me thinks bla 
[07:45] <jpatrick> filloy: type: /me <action>
[07:45] <nalioth> filloy: preface your line with /me bleh
[07:45] <Tm_T> slow...
[07:45] <jpatrick> :) hmm...
[07:46] <Tm_T> I'm very old but still faster than you kids
[07:46] <nalioth> Tm_T: let's not start that age thing
[07:47] <Tm_T> :/
[07:47] <filloy> ahmm.....
[07:47] <filloy> i cant get it :P /filloy thinking ? for example ?
[07:47] <jpatrick> no
[07:47] <seth_k> the word "/me"
[07:47] <jpatrick> ./me <thingy>
[07:47] <nalioth> filloy: type /me blah blah
[07:48] <Tm_T> youngster never respect us, even when we went trough both world wars :/
[07:48] <seth_k> lol
[07:48] <nalioth> you got it, now say something intelligable
[07:48] <nalioth> Tm_T: pulease
[07:48] <seth_k> you have an Ubuntu-powered typewriter Tm_T? :O
[07:48] <seth_k> :P j/k
[07:49] <Tm_T> seth_k: yes!
[07:49] <seth_k> suhweeet
[07:49] <nalioth> seth_k: i have an ubuntu powered picture frame
[07:50] <slow-motion> nalioth show us a picture
[07:50] <nalioth> slow-motion: pic of what?
[07:50] <slow-motion> of your ubuntu powered picture frame
[07:51] <nalioth> it's a picture frame labelled "Dell fpw200x"
[07:51] <Tm_T> haha
[07:52] <Tm_T> I have my brains in other room
[07:52] <Tm_T> ...I think I'm the winner
[07:52] <slow-motion> a very expensive picture frame
[07:54] <seth_k> hehe
[07:54] <seth_k> thanks to m0ns00n I got my dell 2005FPW running 100dpi fonts yesterday
[07:54] <seth_k> sooooooooooo smooth, I drool
[07:55] <jpatrick> oh
[08:01] <filloy> Offtopic: anyone here uses windows apart from linux ?
[08:02] <jpatrick> No.............
[08:02] <filloy> jpatrick mac ?
[08:02] <jpatrick> No
[08:03] <filloy> jpatrick just linux ? how can you do that...ive been trying to change for 1 year and i cant, there are some apps i cant find....
[08:03] <Tm_T> filloy: I'm forced sometimes to use winXP
[08:03] <jpatrick> Yeah just Linux
[08:03] <Tm_T> filloy: mostly in school
[08:03] <filloy> Tm_T yep, me too :)
[08:04] <jpatrick> what apps you can't find?
[08:04] <Tm_T> home and work ->> all linux
[08:04] <seth_k> I use Windows for games
[08:04] <filloy> jpatrick Dreamweaver, Flash and i cant get Apache to work nice :S
[08:04] <seth_k> too lazy to try to Cedega my way through everything
[08:05] <filloy> seth_k yep, i have warcraft, starcraft, age of mythology and diablo, which cant be played in linux...
[08:05] <Tm_T> I have KotOR2 but can't play it because I don't own winXP :P
[08:06] <seth_k> heh
[08:06] <seth_k> send it to me
[08:06] <seth_k> I'll make good use of it
[08:06] <seth_k> :P
[08:06] <Tm_T> no I won't!
[08:06] <filloy> Tm_T buy a copy, maybe $5dlls
[08:06] <Tm_T> filloy: copy of what?
[08:07] <filloy> Tm_T Winsux XP
[08:07] <Tm_T> licence of winXP-pro ~170
[08:07] <filloy> Tm_T yep, legal yes.
[08:07] <filloy> Tm_T or you could buy the O
[08:07] <Tm_T> filloy: why should I use criminal stuff?!
[08:08] <filloy> OEM licence, 90 dlls
[08:08] <delltony> anyone here use breezy and mplayer?
[08:08] <filloy> Tm_T  to play KotOR2 :)
[08:08] <jpatrick> I'm using Breezy :P
[08:08] <slow-motion> i use breezy and mplayer and everything is fine
[08:08] <Tm_T> filloy: no way
[08:09] <filloy> Tm_T ok, just an option...
[08:09] <delltony> alright then where can you get mplayer?
[08:09] <delltony> i can't seem to find it in apt-cache search
[08:09] <Tm_T> filloy: crime is never an option to me, when it's not about my life
[08:09] <filloy> ahh, im having the same problem with audio i get every time i install ubuntu or kubuntu...
[08:09] <Tm_T> or some other's life
[08:10] <filloy> Tm_T ok, then but win4lin kernel and use gentoo to run every app :)
[08:11] <slow-motion> http://pastebin.com/359869 < my sources.list for hoary
[08:11] <slow-motion> arrg
[08:11] <slow-motion> breezy
[08:11] <slow-motion> no
[08:11] <slow-motion> stop
[08:11] <jpatrick> :/
[08:11] <slow-motion> http://pastebin.com/359864 < this is the one for breezy
[08:11] <delltony> i see what my problem was it was in multiverse
[08:11] <delltony> i didn't have it enabled
[08:13] <jpatrick> hmm... breezy-backports
[08:13] <delltony> breezy backports aren't ready yet are they?
[08:13] <jpatrick> no
[08:13] <Mez> no
[08:13] <Mez> they wont be ready till breezy+1 uplkoads start
[08:13] <jpatrick> they were on slow-motion's sources.lst
[08:13] <delltony> thats what i thought
[08:14] <delltony> yeah extra's and backports always the last i have noticed to be added
[08:14] <delltony> one thing id like to confirm and this might be why ubuntu doesn't recommend compiling source
[08:14] <delltony> but everytime a new dist upgrade comes around my system always borks with dist-upgrade
[08:14] <slow-motion> jpatrick i just edited them now and when they are ready i just need to uncomment them
[08:14] <delltony> it NEVER EVER upgrades right
[08:15] <jpatrick> delltony: I prefer downloading the ISO
[08:16] <delltony> no i mean compiling source like mplayer and so on with transcode support
[08:16] <delltony> and compiling qemu with kqemu accelerator
[08:16] <filloy> ok i need serious help. Kubuntu dosnt detect my keyboard layout, which is in spanish, and when i try signing in i cant, because i cant write. I have to start the session in console and startx manually....ive already changed the root keyboard layout, but it dosnt work, any idea ?
[08:16] <delltony> runninig qemu without the accel is slow as hell
[08:16] <slow-motion> then formating the hd and installing it new jpatrick ?
[08:16] <jpatrick> yeah
[08:17] <slow-motion> why?
[08:17] <jpatrick> :P
[08:18] <slow-motion> i have enough banwidth to do it with dist-upgrade
[08:18] <jpatrick> I have DSL
[08:18] <slow-motion> me too
[08:19] <Mose`> hello
[08:19] <filloy> anyone can help me with keyboard layouts ????
[08:19] <jpatrick> as long as my /home partition is okay I'm happy
[08:20] <Mose`> how can i access Konversation through the proxy?
[08:20] <delltony> yeah before i upgrade  always tarball my home dir
[08:20] <delltony> and then do whatever i want to do and untar the home dir tar and and i'm good
[08:20] <delltony> the only thing is i have to setup crap like java and other minor things again
[08:20] <delltony> but hey it gives me something to do :)
[08:21] <jpatrick> I just /home on another partition
[08:21] <delltony> oh and just curious about something what is the big difference between kde and kubuntu-desktop or is there? 
[08:30] <filloy> ok, no luck with audio, lets go with Wireless...i have to use ndiswrapper with windows driver bcmwl5a, but when i do ndiswrapper -l it says bcmwl5a invalid driver, not working properly, ideas ?
[08:31] <delltony> don't use the a
[08:32] <delltony> ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[08:32] <filloy> with hoary i used a, ill try the other here :) thanx
[08:32] <delltony> well i used a on mine as well but it didn't work on breezy
[08:33] <delltony> delltony@ubuntu:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[08:33] <delltony> Installed ndis drivers:
[08:33] <delltony> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[08:33] <delltony> delltony@ubuntu:~$     
[08:34] <delltony> filloy just curious on your audio have you used pcm instead of the master and all?
[08:34] <delltony> if its a laptop i can bet you that the sliders are all borked at least in my case they are
[08:35] <delltony> headphones for front speakers, mono for the subwoofer and pcm for everything (master volume)
[08:35] <filloy> deltony, uhmm, volume levels are ok
[08:35] <delltony> but what i do is turn on headphone raise slider to the top, turn on master mono raise slider to top turn on pcm and then set the channel as pcm on kmix
[08:36] <delltony> have you sudo alsa-mixer
[08:36] <delltony> and tried to play a loopinig sound to test
[08:37] <filloy> deltony im trying everything, the thig is that i have a Desktop and a Laptop, none of them work with sound :P ....the desktop has SB Live! 5.1 and this one uses the modem, but i realised i had the PC Speaker volume at 0
[08:38] <Cryptid> hey i am unable to use my internet on kubuntu but no problem on ubuntu i have both OS live Disc plz help me configure my internet on kubuntu my settings are  my ip is 10.0.0.203 subnet is 255.255.255.0 gate way is 10.0.0.1 and Preferred DNS is 10.0.0.1 now tell me how to put in all this info and make my net work
[08:39] <anaccount> I have a very important question
[08:39] <anaccount> I forgot my ftp password for my website
[08:39] <anaccount> is there a way I can reset it?
[08:40] <filloy> ill be back :)
[08:40] <filloy> reboot needed
[08:40] <delltony> Cryptid: type sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:40] <delltony> add to the bottom auto eth0
[08:40] <delltony> iface eth0 inet static
[08:41] <anaccount> what  do you think delltony?
[08:41] <delltony> 10.0.0.203
[08:41] <delltony> 255.255.255.0
[08:42] <delltony> Cryptid: work?
[08:43] <Cryptid> delltony wait i am on ubuntu i will have to shift to kubuntu and try this stuff
[08:43] <delltony> why?
[08:43] <delltony> shifting sessions
[08:43] <delltony> or actual computers?
[08:43] <Cryptid> delltony  have this internet problem only on kubuntu and not on ubuntu thats Y
[08:44] <delltony> kubuntu is ubuntu just so you know
[08:44] <Cryptid> shifting sessions
[08:44] <delltony> kubuntu is just the kde side of it
[08:44] <delltony> but anyway
[08:44] <Cryptid> but the kubuntu runs on KDE rite and ubuntu runs on gnome
[08:44] <delltony> yeah
[08:44] <delltony> but your network has nothing to do with that
[08:45] <sheavy> i got a lil problem
[08:45] <delltony> you set the network up ini the same place regardless of if you use kde,gnome,flux whatever
[08:45] <Cryptid> then y dosent it work when i try configureing it manually (i mean by using the network settings)
[08:45] <delltony> your using that menu thing right
[08:45] <Cryptid> ya
[08:45] <delltony> i'm a command line guy
[08:45] <Cryptid> ok
[08:45] <delltony> well some guis but to the most part command
[08:46] <Cryptid> so will u gimme stepp by step procedure of over coming my problem
[08:46] <delltony> the gui part might be borked
[08:46] <sheavy> you know this game pydance ? i downloaded it with apt-get and when i got to play it, it keeps freezing just before selecting the song
[08:46] <delltony> yeah click on the kicker button (gear icon) and hit run command
[08:46] <Cryptid> i am totally new to linux and have no idea how things work on it
[08:46] <delltony> and type in konsole
[08:47] <Cryptid> ok
[08:47] <Cryptid> then
[08:47] <delltony> now type in sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:48] <Cryptid> u mean "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces" the things in the quotes
[08:48] <Cryptid> and then
[08:48] <seth_k> btw, sudo nano == sudoedit
[08:49] <sheavy> does anyone here play pydance? aaah got a fucking problem with it
[08:49] <delltony> well did it come up with your network interfaces file yes or no
[08:49] <delltony> geeze sheavy language i'm at work :(
[08:50] <Cryptid> hmm there is no Konsole in ubuntu naaa
[08:50] <delltony> dude
[08:50] <delltony> lets get the game plain right
[08:50] <delltony> are you want to work on kde or gnome
[08:50] <delltony> pick one
[08:50] <Cryptid> kde
[08:50] <sheavy> well download kubuntu
[08:50] <Cryptid> i like the way Kde looks
[08:50] <sheavy> or the kde deskstop
[08:51] <filloy> back again, sound isnt working :S
[08:51] <Cryptid> i have kubuntu live disc
[08:51] <delltony> oh
[08:51] <delltony> you didn't install it?
[08:51] <Cryptid> no
[08:51] <aay> Riddell: I was just looking at the interview you did with Jakub Stachowski back in April after kde 3.4 had been released.  are there plans to further integrate zeroconf in kubuntu?  to make zeroconf easier?
[08:51] <Cryptid> i am on ubuntu live disc at present
[08:51] <delltony> then in that case i have no idea
[08:51] <seth_k> sheavy, language please
[08:51] <delltony> i actually have a full blown install
[08:51] <Cryptid> so if u will tell me what to do i will note it down then restart and boot kubuntu and configure my net
[08:52] <delltony> not sure how the live works but
[08:52] <delltony> the file you need to change is your /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:52] <Cryptid> does the live thing work ne diffrent than the full thing
[08:52] <sheavy> language? what that means?
[08:52] <Cryptid> ok the interface file
[08:52] <filloy> how can i change the default sound card ? i have Intel ICH5 and Sound Blaster Live 5.1, i want the SB Live to be the default, but ubuntu is loading the other one as default.....ideas ?
[08:53] <delltony> you want the following (example for 192.168.1.101 static ip)
[08:53] <delltony> auto eth0
[08:53] <Cryptid> hmm ok but mine is 10.0.0.203
[08:53] <sheavy> im venezuelan, why are you asking for language?
[08:53] <delltony> fine listen to the example :)
[08:53] <Cryptid> ok
[08:53] <aay> Riddell: ok i'm not sure that you did the interview, but see that you posted it at dot.kde.
[08:53] <delltony> iface eth0 inet static
[08:54] <delltony> 10.0.0.203
[08:54] <delltony> 255.255.255.0
[08:54] <delltony> thenwhatever your gateway number is
[08:54] <delltony> but you need netmask before the 255.255.255.0
[08:55] <delltony> and gateway before the gateway id
[08:55] <Cryptid> ok and what bout preffered DNS 
[08:55] <Cryptid> ok 
[08:55] <Cryptid> and what bout before the ip
[08:55] <delltony> thats done in resolv.conf
[08:55] <sheavy> god, i want this pydance game it just doesnt seem to work
[08:55] <delltony> your dns servers are setup ini resolv.conf
[08:56] <Cryptid> hmm ok
[08:56] <seth_k> sheavy, I meant watch your offensive language ;)
[08:56] <seth_k> sheavy, what error do you get?
[08:56] <Cryptid> so i have to edit that file 
[08:56] <delltony> but let me give you an example on mine cryptid
[08:56] <Cryptid> can i use a simple text editor to do the job
[08:56] <delltony> yeah
[08:56] <delltony> but nano is your friend
[08:56] <delltony> or pico
[08:56] <Cryptid> ok give me the eaxmple
[08:56] <sheavy> like this seth
[08:57] <delltony> i have 192.168.1.200 for my ip on a wireless router with gateway of 192.168.1.1
[08:57] <delltony> so here goes 
[08:57] <Cryptid> hmm ok
[08:57] <sheavy> i selected the dancing panel, the game level, the song
[08:57] <delltony> auto wlan0
[08:57] <delltony> 192.168.1.200
[08:57] <delltony> netmask 255.255.255.0
[08:57] <sheavy> and when the game is about to begin.... it just doesn't load 
[08:57] <delltony> gateway 192.168.1.1
[08:57] <delltony> save file
[08:57] <delltony> then sudo ifup wlan0
[08:58] <delltony> then if i want a new dns server i change the ip for the nameserver in resolv.conf to 4.2.2.1
[08:58] <sheavy> SETH?
[08:58] <delltony> r whatever
[08:58] <Cryptid> oh ok 
[08:59] <Cryptid> and before ur ip dont u have to add the word "address"
[08:59] <delltony> but being your on a live cd and nothing is actually on our system i don't see how you can write to the cd config files someone else might be able tto help you on this
[08:59] <sheavy> SSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHh
[08:59] <delltony> nope
[08:59] <Cryptid> ok
[09:00] <delltony> actually take that back you do
[09:00] <delltony> sorry
[09:00] <Cryptid> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html delltony i found this page and if u scroll down a example is given to config ur network will this help me
[09:00] <delltony> yeah
[09:00] <seth_k> sheavy, run it from a console and see if it dumps an error
[09:00] <seth_k> where are you installing it from?
[09:01] <delltony> thats what youo want to do
[09:01] <sheavy> ok
[09:01] <Cryptid> and all this is suppose to be typed in Konsole isnt it?
[09:01] <delltony> i generally use dhcp though instead f static
[09:01] <delltony> konsole is terminal
[09:01] <delltony> it can be xterm
[09:01] <delltony> i can be gterm
[09:01] <delltony> it can be konsole
[09:01] <delltony> pick one
[09:01] <Cryptid> my isp dosent auport dhcp settings
[09:02] <delltony> thats fine the use the method on that page
[09:02] <Cryptid> can konsole be called terminal also
[09:02] <Cryptid> or root terminal
[09:02] <m0ns00n> Hey
[09:02] <delltony> root you don't want unless needed
[09:02] <delltony> but all you want is a terminal man
[09:03] <m0ns00n> delltony: I agree, although it seems some kde apps need root password
[09:03] <Cryptid> ok got it
[09:03] <sheavy> seth -> how can i do to run it from konsole, im already in supermode
[09:03] <sheavy> superuser i meant
[09:03] <delltony> sudo then
[09:05] <sheavy> ?
[09:05] <Cryptid> delltony thanx for the help i will write this all down and try it on kubuntu now and if it works i will meet u on my kubuntu OS
[09:06] <Cryptid> hope it works X
[09:06] <delltony> it should unless the live cd is different that a full install
[09:06] <Cryptid> thanx for the help once again delltony
[09:06] <Cryptid> i dont think so the live cd is diffrent
[09:07] <Cryptid> ne ways on ubuntu the terminal dosent recognise the command sudo
[09:07] <sheavy> seth... still waiting
[09:07] <Cryptid> is this command only used for kubuntu or something
[09:09] <filloy> ARRGGG !!! i forgot the username and password for mysql, anyone knows the defaults ? maybe i just left them and dont remember...
[09:10] <gdh> filloy: if you forgot it completely, apt-get --purge remove mysql-server (this will delete all your databases) and then apt-get install again
[09:10] <gdh> if you want to keep the data then move any relevant directories from /var/lib/mysql somewhere else first
[09:11] <filloy> gdh ok, new install, so i will just remove them :p thanx
[09:14] <delltony> Cryptid: sudo is standard why its not working for you is probably cause your on a live cd (install the dang thing be a man)
[09:14] <slow-motion> bye
[09:15] <filloy> Cryptid, yep, listen to delltony, install ubuntu :)
[09:15] <Cryptid> hmm delltony i was told that the live thing has all the things that a full version has but the thing is that the programs run off the cd 
[09:15] <Cryptid> ok filloy i will install it now
[09:17] <Cryptid> actually i wanted make sure that i dont have ne problems with kbuntu and i should not have to jump back to Windows
[09:17] <Cryptid> ne ways is dual booting possible with (k)ubuntu coz i has problems with Suse 9.1 dual boot with Win XP
[09:19] <filloy> Cryptid, if you are using Windows, dont switch fully to linux, really, trust me, you wont be able to do stuff. Try dual booting and then just do the things you cant in windows. After some time, you will be 100%linux
[09:19] <filloy> Cryptid, im doing that :)
[09:23] <delltony> Cryptid: well again i'm not up to part on the live cd i only use the full install
[09:23] <humbolt> is it right that libraries complied with gcc4 in ubuntu have a different name like: libqt3-mt and libqt3c102-mt? which one is which one then?
[09:23] <delltony> and when i need winders i run qemu
[09:24] <new_riot> hi
[09:24] <delltony> anyone here ever messed with usb over ip?
[09:25] <filloy> ok, im getting angry here !!...mysql sets up his own password and stuff :S
[09:26] <pampe> bonsoir
[09:26] <gdh> filloy: there is no password by default
[09:27] <Pyf> anyone here use last.fm radio?
[09:27] <gdh> just type 'mysql' and you will be 'in' :)
[09:27] <delltony> last.fm radio explain on this is this like a website for streaming radio?
[09:27] <filloy> gdh acces denied for mysql@localhost 
[09:27] <Pyf> delltony: yes...
[09:28] <Pyf> personalised radio based on music u listen to...
[09:28] <Cryptid> how do i duel boot filloy will the installation do it for me aautomatically
[09:28] <filloy> Cryptid Install will do it for you ;)
[09:28] <gdh> filloy: you must have done something quite spectacular - try that purge line again and then make sure that there is no such directory /var/lib/mysql - the passwords are stored inside that dir.
[09:28] <delltony> if i remember correctly i thought you had to go to your mysql.ini or whatever and allow localhost to access it
[09:28] <Cryptid> k cool i have windows on C drive so can i insatll kubuntu on D drive
[09:28] <filloy> Cryptid you will have GRUB by default installed on your Master Boot Record...
[09:29] <gdh> delltony: nope, that's bogus.
[09:29] <filloy> gdh ok, ill try it  again
[09:29] <delltony> ok i thought i had to grant access to the local host though honestly
[09:29] <gdh> delltony: you're probably thinking of the 'skip-networking' in my.cnf
[09:29] <Cryptid> ya grub fucked up my pc the last time i used it when i installed suse 9.1 after the installtion windows Xp disappread
[09:29] <delltony> nah talking about mysql
[09:30] <delltony> the grant function
[09:30] <delltony> lie grant access myid blah blah blah
[09:30] <delltony> like even
[09:30] <Cryptid> so are u sure that ubuntu wont screw my sys and do all the necesaried automatically
[09:30] <gdh> Cryptid: Sure, and if it turns out to be otherwise, you even get your money back :)
[09:31] <Cryptid> gdh money back i never paid for anything
[09:31] <delltony> i can't remember the exacts but i know on mysql and php i had to set it up so it would access the local host o mysql but anyway i can't remember what i did so ill shut up
[09:31] <filloy> Cryptid, thats the thing :)
[09:32] <Cryptid> hehe 
[09:32] <filloy> Cryptid, trust me, you wont have anything wrong, just make shure when you partition your disk, DONT delete your Win Partition ;)
[09:33] <delltony> Pyf: you ever go to launch.yahoo and watch the vids?
[09:33] <Pyf> delltony: no why do u ask?
[09:34] <filloy> gdh ok, now i have the mysql dir removed, proceed with re-install :)
[09:34] <gdh> :)
[09:34] <filloy> gdh Ubuntu never asked for passwords or users, nothing....
[09:35] <Cryptid> so should i install ubuntu now and tr to duel boot it with windows XP filloy
[09:35] <filloy> Cryptid, thats what i recomend, and when you do so, come back so we can help you setting up you patitions so you can see you windows files :)
[09:37] <delltony> oh just think its a cool place to listen to music videos
[09:37] <gdh> filloy: That's right. :) there's no mysql password by default
[09:37] <filloy> gdh same thing :S removed with apt-get --purge remove mysql-server, then did apt-get install mysql-server, now its installed but it says "Acces denied to user filloy@localhost"
[09:37] <delltony> hey anyone remember the site for laptops talking about how to make the laptop volum button work i forget how to do it
[09:37] <delltony> it was lk something another
[09:38] <gdh> filloy: try "mysql -uroot "
[09:39] <filloy> gdh Welcome to Mysql Monitor...
[09:39] <gdh> I'd have suggested that originally if I'd read the error message properly =)
[09:39] <gdh> yep, by default there is one user called root with no password set
[09:40] <gdh> mysql password + system passwords have nothing in common
[09:40] <filloy> gdh, ok, ill try accesing :)
[09:40] <filloy> gdh, thats what i thought, but i tried :p
[09:40] <gdh> next cool thing would be to install phpmyadmin :)
[09:41] <filloy> gdh i have php5, phomyadmin, apache2 and...is there anything else that would work nice here ?... i hade Appserv for windows, which give you all this things installed and working....
[09:41] <jatos> hi
[09:41] <gdh> phpmyadmin is the magic.. can't think of much else that would be useful
[09:42] <filloy> gdh, yep, phpmyadmin is great :P
[09:42] <filloy> now i will try doing funny stuff in here :p
[09:42] <jatos> hey guys, I need to take a screenie of my desktop
[09:43] <filloy> jatos theres an app for that...dont remember the name
[09:43] <gdh> K -> graphics -> KSnapshot ?
[09:43] <jatos> don't have it, let me look in apt, which I just happen to have up
[09:43] <filloy> gdh dosnt come with the default install, have to do apt-get install KSnapshot
[09:44] <jatos> ok found it in apt (ie ksnapshot)
[09:44] <filloy> install that one, and take screenshots :p
[09:45] <Cryptid> k thnx filloy for the help (so i can view my windows files from ubuntu like mp3 and vid files)
[09:46] <filloy> Cryptid yep, and the you can use amarok to have your complete mp3 library in there ;)
[09:54] <filloy> ok, still having trubble with my bcmwl5 driver. Tried that one, and bcmwl5a and nothing works, when i do ndiswrapper -l i get both saying Invalid Driver! what shall i do ?
[09:56] <filloy> anyone here uses ndiswrpaper to make the Wifi work ?
[09:56] <filloy> ndiswrapperrrrr*
[09:57] <filloy> darn, this keyboard
[10:01] <m0ns00n> :-)
[10:02] <filloy> so, anyone knows whats up with ndiswrapper and bcmwl5 for my wify ?...tried installing it, but no luck, it says Invalid Driver...ideas please ?
[10:04] <filloy> ahh, damn chatroom :S
[10:05] <gdh> none of this win32 wrapper pish =)
[10:07] <filloy> gdh uhmmm, i wont buy another laptop, so i have to use ndiswrapper :p
[10:07] <gdh> heh, bet it has a PC card slot, tho :)
[10:07] <gdh> or at least usb
[10:08] <filloy> gdh thats nonsense !! :p spending more money to buy something that has a linux driver ?....maybe when n tech for wireless arrives, i will, but for now :p ill use ndiswrapper
[10:09] <gdh> hehe :)
[10:09] <filloy> gdh, by the way, mysql now works perfect :)
[10:10] <gdh> good news =)
[10:12] <filloy> Cryptid still there ?
[10:16] <blake> does anyone know if KDE has a font manager?
[10:16] <faked> blake: type "fonts:/" in konqueror 
[10:17] <gdh> not so much of a manager than a viewer, really
[10:17] <blake> ah
[10:17] <blake> is it as simple as placing them in there and restarting?
[10:17] <gdh> oh hm it's improved :)
[10:17] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[10:18] <faked> blake: with kcontrol you can do it too
[10:18] <Spudchat> it would seem that kubuntu doent recognize all the ram in my machine...is there something i can do about that?
[10:18] <gdh> blake: it's as simple as copying the .ttf files to the .fonts dir in your home dir - that's what copying them to the 'Personal' dir in  fonts:/ will do
[10:19] <gdh> Spudchat: have you recently tried to upgrade to breezy at all?
[10:19] <blake> do you suppose the new fonts will get picked up by most all programs (including GIMP)?
[10:19] <Spudchat> no
[10:19] <gdh> blake: Yes they should do - you will need to restart the app.
[10:19] <filloy> ok, now that at least 1 person is alive in here, i cant get my sound working, plz help !
[10:19] <gdh> filloy: erk, what sound card?
[10:20] <gdh> Spudchat: no idea then - a recent breezy linux-image only picked up half my RAM.. a new dist-upgrade fixed it...
[10:20] <Spudchat> hmm ok thanks ill check that out
[10:20] <filloy> darn, that worked :p hahaha i just heard a sound....but how can i switch everyting to make my SB Live work ?
[10:20] <crimsun> please don't just scream for help. Include all the necessary information, like the output from ''cat /proc/asound/modules'' and ''lspci -v|grep -i audio''
[10:20] <Spudchat> it only shows 885mb of my 2024 :(
[10:20] <filloy> gdh, i have 2 sound cards...SB Live! 5.1 and the Intel stuff, the last one works, but i want the SB to work :p
[10:21] <crimsun> Spudchat: install a non-386 kernel for highmem support
[10:21] <crimsun> filloy: do you want the sblive to be default always?
[10:21] <filloy> crimsun yep, please :)
[10:21] <gdh> wow, 2G jeez :)
[10:21] <Spudchat> ok thanks again
[10:21] <crimsun> filloy: in a Konsole, echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2"|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:22] <blake> great, fonts up and running.... thanks a million
[10:22] <filloy> crimsun ok, thats it....did that
[10:22] <crimsun> filloy: after that, it's probably easiest to reboot
[10:23] <filloy> crimsun, ok, ill try
[10:23] <filloy> bye
[10:23] <narg> Are there any qt4 debs floating around for hoary?
[10:24] <gdh> yes
[10:24] <gdh> would need to dig history to find the URL
[10:25] <gdh> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/
[10:25] <gdh> bah, dead link
[10:25] <narg> yea
[10:25] <narg> :p
[10:25] <gdh> hassle Riddell if/when he appears - they were his debs :)
[10:25] <narg> k
[10:26] <narg> those only ones you've seen so far?
[10:26] <gdh> yup
[10:26] <narg> meh
[10:28] <gdh> narg: I just looked in the logs more closely and they were for breezy, anyway :(
[10:29] <narg> heh
[10:29] <narg> I'll just compile
[10:29] <narg> Always worth a try to look for some debs before you compile though :)
[10:29] <gdh> for sure :)
[10:30] <crimsun> look in hoary-backports
[10:30] <crimsun> they should be built automatically from breezy
[10:30] <narg> nerp, apt-cache not turning up anything
[10:31] <filloy> crimsun now its working great :)
[10:31] <crimsun> goodexcellent
[10:31] <crimsun> err, sorry
[10:31] <filloy> ja :p
[10:59] <pedrobest> hello - how can i allow root to logon at the start screen??
[11:02] <genjix> everything is on freenode... :)
[11:03] <genjix> i have a script like so:    echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward  \n  iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.settings
[11:04] <genjix> which must be run as root at network startup. how can I get it to run at startup
[11:04] <genjix> (on gentoo I add it to /etc/conf.d/local.start)
[11:06] <crimsun> genjix: you can use update-rc.d
[11:06] <crimsun> just run it after S40
[11:08] <genjix> ok thank you
[11:16] <genjix> crimsun: update-rc.d network_forwarding start S40  <--- S40 is an invalid runlevel. "expected NN after start"
[11:17] <genjix> what runlevel is S40?
[11:17] <gdh> it's not a runlevel - it's the priority inside a certain runlevel
[11:17] <gdh> runlevel 2 is the default 
[11:18] <gdh> ls /etc/rc2.d to see the priorities that each init.d script runs at
[11:18] <genjix> ok thanks
[11:21] <genjix> so how could I add it after /etc/rc0.d/networking
[11:21] <genjix> update-rc.d network_forwarding <.....>
[11:22] <Spudchat> would i write python in a normal text editor and just save it as blahblah.py?
[11:22] <gdh> I've never used update-rc.d because i found it confusing. I just did /etc/rc2.d/ then ln -s ../init.d/myscript S95myscript
[11:22] <genjix> or would I have to add it to a higher runlevel (I would like to run it right after networking)
[11:22] <genjix> ah cool, that will work?
[11:22] <genjix> nice
[11:22] <gdh> yeh, update-rc.d is just a wrapper around commands like that
[11:24] <Spudchat> i just tried it and it worked so apparently :)
[11:25] <genjix> well thanks for your time gdh
[11:25] <gdh> =)
[11:27] <delltony> dang a little off topic but anyone know where i can find free ringtones for motorola phones?
[11:32] <gdh> delltony typically you'd look for some kind of converter to do MID -> phone or WAV -> phone
[11:32] <seth_k> delltony, my motorola v551 handles wav, mid, mp3
[11:32] <gdh> so you can record yourself burping/farting/singing and have that...
[11:32] <seth_k> I just bluetooth 'em to the phone
[11:33] <hater2win> i need to buy a blue tooth adapter
[11:33] <hater2win> for my comp
[11:34] <nikkia> hater, the belkin ones work great, in fact, about the only decent thing belkin have ever made :P
[11:35] <seth_k> umm, bluegear I guess
[11:36] <nikkia> (i've used both a type 2 (FBT001) and type 1 (FBT003) adapter, both are supported just fine in linux
[11:36] <nikkia> in addition, the FBT003 is 'cheap as dirt'
[11:37] <filloy> ok, back again with the same problem. At kdm startup, i cant log in because i cant type, it only shows squares, not letters. Somebody told me like an hour ago, that i should change the lenguage to fit my keyboard. Now its in spanish and i still get the strange boxes instead of letters, ideas ? thanx
[11:38] <hater2win> nikkia: lol, yeah belkin makes some weak stuff
[11:38] <nikkia> hater, not just weak, but hideously overpriced
[11:38] <hater2win> nikkia: seriously, its like fucking 15 bucks for a 3 ft network cable
[11:38] <nikkia> hater, i heard a rumour that the FBT series of bluetooth adapters aren't actually belkin products, but rebadged someone-else's, dunno if its true
[11:39] <hater2win> hmm, thats odd
[11:39] <nikkia> hater, anyway, you can't go wrong with a belkin FBT003 IMO, should be able to find one for around $10-15 if you look around
[11:39] <hater2win> nice, thnx for the sugg
[11:39] <nikkia> i wouldn't actually advise spending extra on the FBT001 unless you *really* need a bluetooth type 2 interface
[11:40] <_100010001_> -_- i have a problem with my mouse, when the kernel loads after a abit it litteraly shuts off...
[11:41] <nikkia> filloy, if it helps, the 'squares instead of letters' is usually a font issue, it *shouldn't* stop you logging in
[11:41] <filloy> nikkia uhmm, Login Failed :s
[11:41] <filloy> nikkia it must be another thing....
[11:41] <nikkia> filloy, can you log in on the console ?
[11:42] <filloy> nikkia yes i can, ive been doing that and starting x manually, but it would be great to log in with kdm :P
[11:42] <nikkia> filloy: strange, unless the keyboard options in /etc/X11/xorg.conf are wrong
[11:42] <filloy> nikkia ill check it out, thanx
[11:43] <nikkia> there is a xkb option that will pretty much cause stuff to happen like that... but i can't see any way you'd get it by accident, its something you have to go out of your way to do
[11:44] <nikkia> and i'm not even sure it can be set in the config file for X, it might only be a runtime switch
[11:44] <delltony> seth you and i have the same phone
[11:44] <Blissex> filloy: if it shows squares not letters, you have a font for the wrong chanracter set/encoding.
[11:44] <nikkia> (that is, you can tell xkb to start sending raw scancodes instead of ascii)
[11:44] <filloy> nikkia uhmm, when i log in to kde, i can write with no problems...maybe its that :P but im checking the xorg.conf file for the keyboard layoput
[11:45] <filloy> Blissex how can i change that ?
[11:45] <delltony> good deal, but i was talking about a site like audio3g.com or something you ever get kmobiletools to work?
[11:45] <nikkia> filloy: that could be KDE remapping the keyboard
[11:45] <Blissex> filloy: the squares have nothing to do with the keyboard layout, each square means ''character not found''.
[11:45] <nikkia> filloy: its annoying, but KDE sort of overrides the xkb settings
[11:45] <nikkia> blissex, yes, but its more complex than that
[11:46] <Blissex> filloy: even if theoretically as <nikkia> hints it could be the keyboard generating characters that are outside the font.
[11:46] <nikkia> blissex, if the keyboard is sending the wrong unicode characters, or raw scancodes, then the font would look like that, AND he wouldn't be able to log in
[11:46] <nikkia> if the font is the only issue, he should be able to log in by just typing his user/pass blind
[11:46] <filloy> and i cant log in
[11:46] <Blissex> filloy: can you login by typing your user/pass right?
[11:46] <filloy> blissex no, i cant
[11:46] <nikkia> blissex, no, we've gone over this :)
[11:46] <Blissex> filloy: ah damn. 
[11:47] <filloy> i can only log in with console, startx and stuff :P
[11:47] <Blissex> filloy: well, as <nikkia> will have told you, you need to check several things then...
[11:47] <filloy> Blissex sounds complex
[11:47] <Blissex> filloy: first, make sure, just in case, that the X font path in 'Xorg.conf' has at least the two-three main directories.
[11:48] <Blissex> filloy: second, make sure that the locale settings are correct for your region, in particular the encoding/character set.
[11:48] <Blissex> filloy: these are usually set in some '/etc/profile' or similar. You can check with 'locale'
[11:48] <Blissex> filloy: then check that the 'kdmrc' file specifies a good fairly complete font (just in case).
[11:49] <Blissex> filloy: and most immportantly that the 'Xorg.conf' has exactly the right keyboard type name.
[11:49] <Blissex> filloy: to check the keyboard type name use 'xkeycaps'.
[11:50] <Blissex> filloy: that things ''work'' after you login or if you use 'startx' probably means that the 'Xorg.conf' has something wrong that then gets overriden by something right as <nikkia> was saying, or that the 'kdmrc' and only that contains something wrong.
[11:51] <filloy> ok Font PAth has like 10 paths :P
[11:52] <Blissex> filloy: looks good...
[11:52] <Blissex> filloy: I just checked the default '/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc' and the relevant line there would probably be 'Language'
[11:52] <filloy> Blissex, ok, in locale i have Country set to Mexico, but the lenguage is only set to US, and i can only change it to British
[11:53] <Blissex> filloy: that does not sound good. Where did you check the locale?
[11:53] <ttyS0> is there any graphical application that can do all partition magic does?
[11:53] <Blissex> ttyS0: NO. Not all.
[11:53] <gdh> Yes. It's called Partition Magic :)
[11:53] <nikkia> filloy: only having an option of US/British might suggest that you're somehow in the en_ family of locales
[11:53] <ttyS0> heh
[11:53] <filloy> blissex in Regional & Accessibility, graphical interface under kde
[11:53] <nikkia> for mexico, i'm guessing you probably want to be in the es_ family
[11:54] <Blissex> filloy: there are actually _several_ regional settings... unfortunately.
[11:54] <filloy> nikkia yes...in keyboard layout (keymap) i am
[11:54] <Blissex> filloy: there is a set for the system, which uses environment variables, and a different set for X and a different set for KDE.
[11:54] <Blissex> filloy: however, first let's check you got all the right bits.
[11:55] <filloy> blissex k
[11:55] <nikkia> more specifically, you probably want your locale to be es_MX
[11:55] <Blissex> filloy: did you configure your locales with 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[11:55] <filloy> blissex, nope, should i do it ?
[11:55] <nikkia> filloy: yes
[11:55] <Blissex> filloy: and ''adelante'' too :-)
[11:56] <Blissex> filloy: probably you want to have not just 'es_MX' but als 'es_ES' and 'en_US' just in case.
[11:56] <filloy> blissex :) ke
[11:57] <Blissex> filloy: for character sets choose 'iso-8859-1' and UTF-8
[11:57] <filloy> blissex, ok, finished the configuration, now its generating the locales
[11:58] <hater2win> anybody in here use BMP?
[11:58] <Blissex> filloy: this just makes the console based locales available, does not select them.
[11:59] <filloy> blissex, should i reboot to see if the kdm now accepts my keyboard ?
[11:59] <Tm_T> I'm glad my system uses latin-9 locales :)
[11:59] <Blissex> filloy: in order to set your default console/program locale to 'ex_MX' you need to set some environment variables. Usually in '/etc/profile', and probably there is some tools to do that, but I do everything by hand, so I would not know.
[11:59] <Blissex> filloy: there is still a lot of work to do before you can have locales setup properly.
[11:59] <filloy> blissex ok :( jejeje
[11:59] <filloy> finished the last step
[11:59] <Blissex> filloy: how geeky/UNIXY are you?
[12:00] <filloy> blissek noob
[12:00] <Blissex> filloy: UGH.
[12:00] <Blissex> filloy: I'll try to find which n00b tool can be used to set the system locale default...
[12:01] <Blissex> filloy: in the meantime, you need to install quite a few probably missing locale packages for KDE etc.
[12:01] <filloy> blissex :P sorry :) managed to install gentoo, after months moved to ubuntu...just to play with it
[12:01] <filloy> blissex so, im pretty noob
[12:01] <Blissex> filloy: months and Gentoo means you are not totally n00b.
[12:01] <Blissex> filloy: however, how familiar are you with 'apt-get'/'aptitude'/'synaptic'?
[12:01] <filloy> blissex, then noob+1 :)
[12:02] <filloy> blissex familiar :) used them a lot to install apache, firefox etc..