=== chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-161-70.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-161-70.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbreit [n=mo@p54876264.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === avanspronsen [n=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3543971.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-161-70.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jorgp2 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-66.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-161-70.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Keybuk] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!n=chmj@*] by Keybuk === chmj was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Keybuk (Keybuk) [12:22] wow [12:23] he's going to be doing that all weekend ... === sedak [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] we tried to stop his client earlier, but it looks like it's still keeping-on-coming-back :-/ [12:26] i hope he has a flatrate [12:26] HiddenWolf: we implemented that months ago [12:28] mdz, how do you turn it on? [12:28] I had a 560mb /var/cache/apt/archives [12:29] And mine was the smallest of the people that I asked to check. [12:31] it is on by default in breezy [12:31] HiddenWolf: what app are you using to install and upgrade software? [12:31] Keybuk, plain apt. [12:32] files are expired after 2 days by default [12:32] mdz, no option in synaptic to set anything, and I did not download 560mb of hoary changes over the last 48 hours. [12:32] mdz, s/hoary/breezy === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Keybuk] by Keybuk [12:33] mdz, that was _before_ I did tonight's gnome/xorg download, 100+ packages for 40mb total. [12:34] mvo did change that code recently; it's possible that it stopped working [12:34] syndicate scott% du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives [12:34] 474M /var/cache/apt/archives [12:34] er [12:34] MaxAge=0 [12:34] MinAge=2 [12:34] MaxSize=0 [12:34] those defaults are not what they used to be [12:35] mdz, closing my bug before checking it actually worksforyou? ;) === HiddenWolf chuckles [12:35] HiddenWolf: yes. your bug said "hey it would be nice if this were implemented" and it clearly already was [12:36] it's been a long release for him === HiddenWolf was about to rename it to "implemented but doesn't work" [12:36] if it had said "cache pruning doesn't seem to be working anymore" that would have been worth a closer look === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] mdz, besides, it'd be good to put the options in synaptic, and allow a user to set size/age limit. [12:38] that's a feature [12:38] whereas the cache not being pruned by default is a bug [12:38] mdz, true [12:39] Well, I'm not sober, and it's past midnight. I'll leave you to it. [12:39] Night. === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] HiddenWolf, err, you can set this options [12:39] HiddenWolf, in update-manager [12:40] ogra, just "clear after download" "clear now" or "cache everything" in synaptic. [12:40] ogra, if that's the case, then there's a difference between the two that I'd consider a bug. [12:41] i have "set maximum size for the package cache" and "delete old packages after:" [12:41] and its been there since quite a while.... [12:42] ogra, not in my synaptic. [12:42] which was just dist-upgraded 10 minutes ago. [12:42] HiddenWolf, i didnt talk about synaptic === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] ogra, then synaptic and u-m disagree. I never see update-manager tho. command line works for me. [12:43] HiddenWolf, you asked for an option... its obviously there [12:44] mdz, xinit is updated in the archive, a new cdbuild would be nice [12:44] ogra: binaries are in? [12:44] according to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xinit/, yes [12:44] running [12:44] thanks [12:45] i hope thats the last one... [12:45] ogra, make me happy, put the option in synaptic. ;) [12:46] and good night. :) [12:46] HiddenWolf, i'm not the synaptic maintainer :) === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] hello everyone === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Hello Mitario === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mqatrombone [n=mqatrom@reagan.mqatrombone.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-71-241-137-217.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [i=shackan@ppp-215-49.26-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] Kamion: is your seed regeneration stuff working? === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487FE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ is now known as slomo [02:03] THANK YOU ELMO! === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-45-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] bddebian: what did elmo do? [02:36] libdebtags1, nice [02:37] Riddell: Got me your debtags, libdebtags, and tagcoll and got me my upload rights :-) [02:37] hmm, load of gstreamer engine fixes in amarok 1.3.1 [02:38] crimsun: what was wrong with it? [02:38] Riddell: various people reported "buzzing" with gstreamer engine in 1.2.[34] [02:39] Reinstallation of libxml-libxml-perl is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. [02:40] tseng: that'll sort itself out in next cron.daily [02:40] elmo: great. [02:40] elmo: when does cron.daily run? ;) [02:41] slomo every 20 mins [02:41] 30 [02:41] ah [02:41] nearly ;) [02:41] daily? every 30 minutes? ah... well ok ;) === slomo waits [02:42] not bad for something I read about 3 months ago [02:44] brb === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] night all. THAT's the Badger === ogra_ltsp [n=ogra@p5089FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] mdz, edubuntu default install on i386 is good [02:51] ogra_ltsp: fantastic [02:51] mdz, going to test the workstation [02:51] brb === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.199.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] Mithrandir: i'm against adding new functionality and extensions to xnest [03:18] Mithrandir: i'd much rather gdm pass the geometry [03:23] daniels: any known problems with setting 855resolution to run earlier in bootup? [03:23] ajmitch: nope [03:23] found a bug in malone about people wanting it to start before gdm [03:23] ok, will upload === ogra_edu [n=ogra@p5089FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] thanks [03:31] make sure you migrate it [03:32] mdz, workstation is fine too [03:32] because update-rc.d won't migrate them for you, it will say 'oh, you already have links for this, good work then' [03:32] I see === ogra [n=ogra@p5089FB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] wtf? regular ogra? [03:33] why not? [03:33] he can clone himself if he wants :) === Jared1 [i=Jared@66-215-38-167.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] mdz, bsed on Kamions info from the amd64 install, i think we can assume that it only suffered the same bugs i had on x86, so i would say lets publish this... [03:34] can someone remove gmime2.1 from incoming? the connection stalled :/ === Jared1 [i=Jared@66-215-38-167.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:35] slomo: elmo was just here [03:35] mdz, but i'm way to tired to rewrite the announcement now, ok to send it out tomorrow ? [03:35] slomo: but it should upload again ok [03:36] done [03:36] elmo: thanks :) can i really just reupload like tseng said? [03:37] no [03:37] well, actually, yes [03:37] depends how much went up, but stuff that isnt properly formed is deleted anyway [03:37] you can't overwrite a file, but if you upload again, the bad upload would get REJECTed and moved out of the way [03:37] right? [03:37] tseng: only if a .changes makes it [03:37] stuff without a .changes is ignored [03:38] (yes, that means you, whoever uploaded photoshop) [03:38] elmo: can you do a sync of ace? [03:38] lol [03:38] good one [03:39] bmonty: are you a MOTU? [03:39] elmo: are you able to sync from debian's NEW queue, or shall I wait for it to be processed there? [03:39] nope [03:39] bmonty: please get a MOTU to ack or proxy your request [03:39] ajmitch: I can't sync from NEW, it's not public [03:39] alright [03:39] elmo: will do [03:40] elmo: ack on ace sync [03:40] hrm [03:40] bmonty: I need your name + email [03:40] Heya azeem [03:40] ajmitch: can you tell elmo to sync/import libghemical (needed for ghemical, a user bugged me)? [03:41] hey Barry [03:41] azeem: i test all that [03:41] azeem: and it builsd however ghemical is fairly useless [03:41] Lathiat: why is that? [03:41] azeem: i think a new ghemical version is needed or lighemical [03:41] azeem: the window you draw in doesnt come up [03:41] and theres no way to bet it up [03:41] *get i up [03:41] Lathiat: Even in the newer version? [03:42] bddebian: define newer version [03:42] Lathiat azeem: i think a new ghemical version is needed or lighemical [03:42] i had libghemical 1.9, ghemical 1.5 [03:42] built with mopac support [03:42] (and ive used ghemical before so im pretty sure it wasnt rigth) [03:43] yeah, I got a report about that for Debian as well [03:43] Lathiat: thanks [03:43] azeem: so we could do with 1.9 or something? [03:43] azeem: (are you the debian maintainer?) [03:43] probably and yes [03:43] azeem: is a new ghemical likely to come soon? [03:44] Lathiat: upstream? [03:44] azeem: somethign in debian that makes it work :) whatever that is [03:44] Lathiat: well, I wanted to look at it soonish, if you say 1.9 works, I can do that tomorrow [03:44] azeem: i havent tried 1.9 [03:45] azeem: (only libghemical was 1.9, i stoel taht from debian, the ghemical i stole was 1.5) [03:45] I didn't get it to build some time ago, so I went for 1.5 in the meantime [03:45] ok [03:46] mdke: ? [03:50] mjg59: any news on #14659.. its rather nasty ? [03:50] mjg59: oops, i meant #14658 [03:51] elmo: please sync vlc from Sid; it's fine to blow away the Ubuntu changes (I'll merge them back in by hand) [03:51] crimsun: um, if you know you're going to do an ubuntu upload immediately after I sync, there's no point in me syncing [03:51] so it's better to just upload directly? [03:51] crimsun: just make sure you pass -v to debuild [03:52] to get all the changelog in .changes === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h139n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] sure, I can do that. [03:52] crimsun: if you know you're going to be modifying it from Debian, yes [03:52] all right, thanks. [03:55] bmonty: ok to override ubuntu changes? [03:56] [Updating] ace (5.4.2.1.0-1ubuntu2 [Ubuntu] < 5.4.7-3 [Debian] ) [03:56] elmo: I don't see any way to avoid it....the package won't build without syncing in the debian patches for gcc 4.0 [03:58] bmonty: err, but are the ubuntu changes merged into the debian or otherwise no longer relevant? [03:58] we have 1 build-dep change. if thats nto fixed upstream we can easily put it back === Lathiat looks [03:58] guys [03:58] I'm not being funny, but you should be checking this stuff BEFORE you ask for syncs [03:58] elmo: i'll sort it uot and we'll get back to you :) [03:58] bmonty: ->#ubuntu-motu [03:58] thanks [04:02] elmo: ok, please sync [04:02] done [04:02] elmo: thanks :) === Romik [n=romik_@1.fix.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] hmm [04:04] if firefox has changed name from mozilla-firefox -> firefox [04:04] should stuff like mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr change to firefox-locale-fr-fr [04:05] Probably. Consistency is a GOOD thing ;-) [04:05] hmm [04:05] none of the locale have been renamed yet [04:05] and i think it's too close to release to do it [04:05] Mez: talk to diziet perhaps i saw he was doing some related stuff earlier [04:05] Lathiat, ciool [04:08] you got an email address for him/ === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] ogra: ping === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] christ [04:29] there has to be a saner way to handling the seeds than this duplication [04:34] elmo: Did you happen to morgue any of the ones I mentioned a while back, do you know? [04:34] bddebian: I've no idea sorry - it should be easy for you to check? [04:35] elmo: What's the best way to check. I don't see any binaries or source packages. Is that enough? [04:35] yes? [04:36] OK, sorry, just wan't sure. === jblack [i=jblack@static-209-158-45-74.scr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] infinity: ping [04:36] mdz: ping [04:37] jblack: yes? [04:38] mdz: how are merges of ubuntu changes to {edu,k}buntu handled? manually? [04:38] (seed-wise) [04:38] elmo: yes [04:38] so, kind of a cute story. Remember how infinity said he was going to hijack my laptop? [04:38] I went and got another one so that I could work while he had it. This one has a 1280x768 display. [04:38] mdz: :| [04:38] the first cd you had me burn doesn't use the full cd. [04:39] doens't use the full screen, that is. [04:39] elmo: Hmm, yaprimaxgui appears to still be there [04:40] yaprimaxgui | 3.1.2-1 | hoary/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc [04:40] it's in hoary [04:40] not breezy [04:41] Shows in apt-cache policy and apt-cache source for me?? [04:41] mdz: I don't have the second cd any more, so I'm burning a copy to make sure the fix fixed the problem you guys were looking at. [04:41] ok [04:41] s/source/showsrc/ [04:41] bddebian: dude, it's not in breezy [04:41] whatever your apt is telling you [04:41] OK, sorry [04:42] bddebian: use apt-cache madison; that shows you where stuff is coming from [04:42] btw, reboot on the livecd doesn't work on this new one either. [04:42] mdz: Thank you [04:42] Heh, local archive, what a dolt === bddebian feels stupid again === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-69-82.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] Can I mention xezmlm without getting in trouble? [04:50] jblack: the new live cd should give you the full display [04:52] I'll rsync a third image down and check that if the 2nd one doesn't. === otavio is now known as otavio[off] [05:00] the second cd I was told to download didn't fix the screen. [05:00] Burning today's livecd === zwnj [n=behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] lamont-away: If you happen to come around can you free up debtags. I sent up a new, fixed libdebtags1 that should meet the Dep-wait. Thx [05:16] daniels: negative [05:17] mdz: negative. [05:18] native resolution is 1280x768. The casper log for a just-burned-now livecd shows it finds 1280x768, but ends up using 1024x768 === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-164.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] jblack: full post.log and xorg.0.log would rock [05:22] I guess um.. well, would pastebin.org work? [05:28] sure [05:28] Ok. still booting. [05:30] thanks [05:34] daniels: first one pasted. [05:34] You can find it linked under pastebin.com under recent posts. [05:34] That's post.log [05:35] Ok. jblack1 and jblack2 [05:35] daniels: Let me know when you get them. [05:36] got 'em [05:36] Ok. standing by [05:37] okay, looks like your video BIOS sucks [05:37] you'll need a tool like 855resolution to patch it [05:37] Heh. [05:38] I think you misunderstand. I'm not complaining about a problem. mdz asked me to test my laptop last night because it has a unusual screensize. [05:38] which led to me mentioning acpi problems, which got infinity that I had lost the right to my laptop in ubz. [05:39] so today I got a brand new one (its tiny and runs like 6 hours), also with a widescreen. [05:39] heh [05:39] yeah, I was just checking that it wrote the configuration file out right [05:39] thanks for the testing :) [05:40] Welcome. [05:40] btw, it doesn't look bad at 1024x768 instead of 1280x768 [05:41] daniels: need anything else? [05:41] mdz: anything else? [05:42] nope, that's fine, thanks [05:45] ow, dude [05:45] ajmitch: dbtcp -- just say no. 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[10:48] aha :D === Grizz [n=lars@dsl-084-057-130-183.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] does sort not cncetenate lines? === ivoks is now known as ivoks_away [10:55] hmm [10:56] uniq isnt Exactly what I'm looking for === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Breezy preview is out: http://xrl.us/hh4u | Uploads to main are flowing again, subject to FeatureFreeze === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Keybuk at Fri Sep 9 20:56:00 2005 [02:14] (pkern/#ubuntu-devel) At least it could replace the bloddy RhythmBox which crashes just when an iPod is plugged in (on Hoary at least) [02:15] Hihi and Banshee segfaults just when I hit Preferences. What a pity. [02:15] that will be fixed [02:15] very soon [02:15] I think slomo is working on banshee [02:16] Oh and apparently tseng too [02:16] bddebian: and we're talking to him, thanks :P === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] btw, preferences don't crash for me ;) but that will be fixed upstream soon [02:16] i think its already fixed [02:17] abock will give me the tarbal when he wakes up [02:17] tseng & slomo: Thanks. (o: [02:17] Heya slomo [02:17] tseng: and you said there will be no new release soon? ;P [02:18] slomo: i said 0.9.8 in a week [02:18] slomo: we get 0.9.7.1 under the table today [02:18] tseng: fine :) [02:20] Lathiat: I built ghemical-1.90 for breezy at people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-breezy === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] seems to work OK, uploading them to unstable now after a bit of cleanup [02:23] ajmitch: ping === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] ivoks: pong [02:27] ajmitch: it's ok, i resolved my problem :) sorry for bother... [02:28] ok :) === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Planar [n=suahu@137.205.18.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@dD5E045F3.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] Hey guys .. /dev/input/mice isn't created by the current Breezy setup [02:47] yet xorg.conf uses it [02:47] however [02:47] ogra: ok, it's up [02:47] /dev/.static/input/mice actually is created [02:47] yay, thanks :) [02:47] and works [02:48] ogra: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ etc., see other announcements [02:48] is this a known bug? Or should I report it? [02:48] pvanhoof: it's a known bug (#12915) though any information you can give to help debug it would be greatly appreciated [02:48] Keybuk, ok [02:48] we have no idea why it doesn't appear for some people sometimes [02:49] Kamion, i wonder why we didnt just change the ip to 192.168.0.10 ... i must have been barred somehow yesterday [02:49] ok, if somebody wants to login to my laptop .. he may [02:49] Keybuk, one thing I know is that I have a synaptics touchpad thing and a USB mouse [02:49] hunger, like I said, bug daniels. [02:49] Keybuk, and the usb mouse wasn't connected during boot [02:49] ogra: what IP? [02:49] Keybuk, perhaps that combination did something ... [02:49] ogra: anyway the UK, US, and Swedish mirrors all have it [02:50] Keybuk, and I can "disable" the touchpad using a "FN" key on my laptop (it was disabled upon boot) [02:50] Kamion, the preseeded one... since you said the gatway error only occurs if gw ip = iface ip [02:50] pvanhoof: I have the same combination here === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] we think the problem is udev events getting lost early in the boot process [02:50] Kamion, thanks... fixing the announcement now [02:50] ogra: because it was a late and clearly-untested change anyway and the best thing to do was to revert it [02:50] when it's disabled .. the synaptics kernel module used to throw kernel warnings upon boot. Ps. My laptop is a acer travelmate 8000 [02:50] because if you run "udevstart" once the system has settled down, the device appears [02:50] insufficiently-tested, at least [02:51] Kamion, yes, but lets just use 192.168.0.10 if the gateway gets set up right then ... [02:51] ogra: no, let's revert late untested changes [02:51] standard release management practice [02:51] root@lort:~ # ls -alh /dev/input/mice [02:51] ls: /dev/input/mice: No such file or directory [02:51] root@lort:~ # udevstart [02:51] root@lort:~ # ls -alh /dev/input/mice [02:51] crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 Sep 10 14:51 /dev/input/mice [02:51] root@lort:~ # [02:51] indeed === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] Kamion, i mean for the next builds... i cant release without a preseeded ip, thats to ugly ... [02:52] ogra: sure, now - we did the right thing for preview, though. [02:52] yup [02:53] why .10 though? just .2 I think [02:53] IPs aren't particularly decimal despite their usual representation :) [02:53] Keybuk, my first test was : rm /dev/input/mice , unplug the usb mouse and hardware disable the touchpad [02:53] and then a udevstart [02:53] and /dev/input/mice got created [02:53] so that ain't the problenm [02:54] Kamion, my personal preference is to put routers below .10 and servers between .10 and .20, i'm open for everything :) [02:54] no, /dev/input/mice isn't actually connected to any hardware [02:54] it's a multiplexer for all connected mice devices the kernel provides with the mousedev module [02:54] ogra: I want to investigate the problem where I saw the debian-installer/dummy template text instead of the netcfg/get_ipaddress template text first, though [02:54] rmmod mousedev && modprobe mousedev makes it appear again too [02:54] though mousedev is loaded for people on boot [02:54] Kamion, yup... [02:54] so that should cause the device to be created [02:54] is there something that happens after udevstart that could be important? [02:54] (during normal boot) [02:55] like .. loading a specific kernel module [02:55] we thought of that, in fact for a while we thought the problem was that the kernel support for AF_UNIX sockets was in a module [02:55] and certainly loading that earlier removed some of the symptoms sometimes [02:55] but we now don't think that's the problem, and is just suppressing it slightly [02:55] also force-starting udevd before running udevstart fixes it [02:56] well, a quickfix could be to start udevstart in the gdm script :-\ [02:56] that'd be the third time it would be run in the boot process [02:57] Keybuk, another hint .. it's a race [02:57] becuase [02:57] oh, it's definitely a race [02:57] sometimes my boot does work [02:57] and other times it doesn't [02:57] so it could be a problem with parallel starting scripts? [02:57] (which ubuntu does, right?) [02:57] we don't parallel much, only the network stuff [02:58] indeed, can't be the problem then === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] since when did it start to happen? === Seveas [n=seveas@fia228-202-100.dsl.mxposure.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info12-98.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] up for some debugging fun? edit /etc/init.d/udev and change the _SECOND_ time (~line 217) udevstart is run with "UDEV_LOG=debug udevstart" [03:00] and then when you get a missing /dev/input/mice -- attach /var/log/syslog to the bug [03:00] ok [03:00] it started about the time we did 2.6.12 / initramfs / etc. [03:01] oh, and edit /etc/udev/udev.conf and change the udev_log= line there to debug too [03:01] log_begin_msg "Creating initial device nodes..." [03:01] UDEV_LOG=debug udevstart [03:01] make_extra_nodes [03:01] like that? [03:01] yup [03:02] elmo: could you kick the torrent tracker for Edubuntu, please? [03:03] does udev restart trigger the logging? [03:03] becuase I find few interesting things in syslog [03:03] you'll need to restart the machine to get an interesting log [03:03] you can't really restart udev on a running machine [03:03] aha ok, nex reboot then :) [03:04] Writing down #12915 [03:04] :) [03:04] HiddenWolf: there is a seemelss out of the box support for Apple's 20+ inch displays, which failed with RH, mandrake etc.. [03:05] sivang/ [03:05] ? [03:05] pvanhoof: thanks === winkle [n=johan@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] sivang, I haven't touched an apple in years. What where you referring to? [03:06] the gnokii package can't remove it's group [03:06] this made my last apt-get upgrade fail [03:06] I had to manually remove the group from /etc/group and retry [03:07] what I'm hoping to see is where udevstart actually gets run in your boot process, whether it sees that the mousedev device is detected, whether it tries to add it, and whether it gets to udevd [03:07] in fact, we know already that it's _not_ getting to udevd; so knowing whether the former stuff is happening would be very useful [03:07] ok === shackan [i=shackan@ppp-254-60.26-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] Keybuk, if you guys push a new kernel package :), I might reboot faster and append my syslog earlyer :) [03:11] *hint* [03:11] nothing to do with me :p [03:11] I doubt we'd change kernel API this close to release though === Keybuk points at BenC [03:15] it would be *very* useful if the default compiler could compile kernel modules [03:15] Keybuk: just for the fun of it we might :) [03:15] right now I have to do crazy stuff to get the vmware support modules working [03:16] but that is probably also a problem in the vmware software .. not really an ubuntu problem perhaps === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17]