[12:01] <ogra> is anybody working on alexandria and libgettext-ruby1.8 ?
[12:13] <mbreit> hi all
[12:13] <mbreit> looks that i finally got my upload rights ;)
[12:13] <tseng> yes
[12:13] <tseng> everyone did :)
[12:14] <mbreit> i know..
[12:15] <mbreit> but that motivates (is that correct english??) me a bit to work on breezy some more (although i don't really have the time atm...)
[12:15] <sistpoty> could anyone with non-i386 plz check if source-package mlgmp is unmet?
[12:16] <mbreit> sistpoty: i will check on amd64
[12:16] <sistpoty> thx, mbreit
[12:29] <nakata> i'll check on my mipsel... oh wait :<
[12:31] <sistpoty> nakata: mbreit is just checking... and tries a rebuild
[12:31] <nakata> yeah, i was just whining.
[12:32] <nakata> my mipsel is out of commission at the moment
[12:32] <nakata> well, in regards to ubuntu
[12:34] <nakata> pity though
[12:34] <nakata> nearly everything compiles on mipsel, but nobody's willing to maintain it.
[01:01] <Mitario> hey everyone!
[01:03] <slomo> hi Mitario :)
[01:03] <mbreit> hey Mitario
[01:03] <Mitario> how was everything here this week :)
[01:03] <Mitario> i've been a bit away/inactive
[01:10] <Mitario> slomo, did you get upload rights? :p
[01:10] <slomo> Mitario: sure :)
[01:11] <Mitario> heh finally :)
[01:11] <slomo> ivoks has his too :)
[01:13] <bddebian> Oh sure forget about me.. :'-(
[01:13] <bddebian> ;-P
[01:14] <mbreit> i have mine as well ;)
[01:14] <Mitario> bah my evolution still doesn't filter my spam :(
[01:17] <bddebian> mbreit: Aweseme
[01:17] <bddebian> Awesome even :-)
[01:18] <slomo> bddebian: you didn't wait 3 months like ivoks :P
[01:18] <slomo> Mithrandir: ping?
[01:22] <mbreit> bddebian: are you still waiting for your upload rights?
[01:25] <Mez> nah, he has them
[01:25] <Mez> apparently fist upload was earlier
[01:28] <ajmitch> morning
[01:34] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[01:37] <mbreit> hmm... there are still 138 (!) packages on the unmet-deps nobody list.... and 33 days until the breezy release...
[01:39] <slomo> mbreit: then work on them ;) i'll do some tomorrow :)
[01:40] <mbreit> slomo: i do... ;)
[02:03] <bddebian> slomo: Good point :-)
[02:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:03] <slomo> bddebian: ?
[02:03] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[02:03] <bddebian> slomo: That I didn't wait three months
[02:03] <slomo> bddebian: hehe
[02:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: I guess you've got upload rights now
[02:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, saw that eh? :-)
[02:15] <ajmitch> I saw you praising elmo
[02:15] <ajmitch> well that's good, I'm not needed now :)
[02:18] <sistpoty> you're always needed ajmitch ;)
[02:18] <ajmitch> nope
[02:19] <sistpoty> this is just an excuse for being lazy :P
[02:20] <ajmitch> sure, I've always been a lazy person
[02:20] <ajmitch> you would have noticed that over your time here
[02:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, you are definetily needed.  Look how I fscked up that patch. :-)
[02:24] <Mez> hmm
[02:24] <Mez> so what needs doing?
[02:25] <slomo> Mez: unmet deps ;)
[02:26] <ajmitch> lots of work
[02:26] <ajmitch> and /me is too lazy to do it ;)
[02:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:29] <Mez> o_O
[02:30] <Mez> ksteak dpends on steak, which doesnt exist
[02:30] <Mez> in ubuntu or debian
[02:34] <Mez> have we got any main uploaders here?
[02:35] <ajmitch> yes
[02:35] <Mez> you I take ajmitch ?
[02:36] <ajmitch> dunno yet
[02:36] <Mez> well.. er...
[02:36] <Mez> I have a main package to upload
[02:36] <ajmitch> I don't know if my key is in yet
[02:36] <Mez> well, if the MOTUs are in
[02:36] <Mez> you should be
[02:37] <Mez> I'll send you a file in a sec
[02:37] <Mez> just testing build
[02:37] <Mez> It's a teeny change
[02:44] <ajmitch> joy, pgadmin3 still FTBFS
[02:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Not the libpgtcl build-dep right?
[02:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: checking now
[02:45] <ajmitch> waiting for it to download
[02:46] <ajmitch> a 20MB source tarball is just excessive for pgadmin3
[02:48] <bddebian> slomo: Still here?
[02:48] <slomo> bddebian: sure
[02:48] <bddebian> slomo: Did you still need banshee tested?
[02:48] <slomo> bddebian: yes... always ;)
[02:59] <mbreit> good night everybody
[03:04] <Mez> meta-kde + gabber done
[03:07] <ajmitch> Mez: great\
[03:08] <ajmitch> I think ghc6 can be cut from the unmet deps list
[03:09] <sistpoty> last time i checked there was one arch missing
[03:18] <bddebian> Damnit, libdebtags1 is jacked :-(
[03:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: fix it & upload it then
[03:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm trying
[03:20] <ajmitch> now that you have your key in, you are a true Master, not needing help from anyone else :)
[03:20] <bddebian> Oh yeah right
[03:24] <sistpoty> omg... i finally found out why gvr won't read any example-files... (this is a tiny-programming-language game): they localized the commands :(
[03:24] <sistpoty> grmpf!
[03:26] <sistpoty> ok, i'll fix this tomorrow... gn8 everyone
[03:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: You just don't want to help me anymore :'-(
[03:30] <ajmitch> thankyou for saying I don't care, bddebian :P
[03:30] <ajmitch> damn, gnuradio-core FTBFS
[03:30] <ajmitch> as did f-spot..
[03:30] <ajmitch> what gives there..
[03:30] <ajmitch> ah
[03:30] <ajmitch> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgphoto2-2.postinst: line 23: /etc/hotplug/usb/libgphoto2.usermap: No such file or directory
[03:30] <ajmitch> 744	dpkg: error processing libgphoto2-2 (--configure):
[03:30] <ajmitch> 745	subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:31] <ajmitch> gphoto2 was uploaded today as well
[03:31] <tseng> har
[03:31] <ajmitch> needs fixed, I gess
[03:31] <bddebian> tseng: ?
[03:31] <tseng> bddebian: its a good movie
[03:31] <bddebian> Aye
[03:31] <tseng> "this is the worlds smallest violin, playing just for you"
[03:33] <jroes> heya
[03:34] <jroes> I have a bit of trouble with a lot of packages on amd64, and I was wondering if there was anything I could do to help out and get more packages working for amd64
[03:38] <bddebian> Dumbasses.. :-(
[03:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, yes we are
[03:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, the libdebtags1 package..:-(
[03:40] <bmonty> ajmitch: feel like proxying the request to sync ace?
[03:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can I /query you a dumb question?
[03:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: if ye wish
[03:40] <Lathiat> bmonty: why does acer require a sync
[03:40] <Lathiat> *ace
[03:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: unmet deps
[03:41] <Lathiat> ok
[03:41] <ajmitch> gcc 4.0 evil
[03:41] <bmonty> Lathiat: the debian version of ace fixes two FTBFS source issues with gcc 4.0
[03:41] <Lathiat> ok
[03:41] <Lathiat> is it a new version?
[03:42] <bmonty> Lathiat: yes
[03:42] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it's needed
[03:42] <Lathiat> ajmitch: just wondering
[03:42] <Lathiat> sounds good to me
[03:42] <ajmitch> unless you want to try & patch the existing ace
[03:43] <Lathiat> pass
[03:43] <ajmitch> :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> people have tried
[03:43] <ajmitch> and have been dashed against its walls
[03:44] <bmonty> based on how long ace took to build, I wouldn't touch that code with a ten foot pole
[03:44] <bddebian> hehe
[03:44] <bmonty> even if it is well written, it would take a long time to understand it all I would think
[03:44] <Lathiat> hahaha
[03:44] <Lathiat> yeh just sync it
[03:48] <bmonty> just a question...but are there undesirable consequences of syncing a package from debian?
[03:48] <ajmitch> yes
[03:48] <ajmitch> things can break
[03:48] <tseng> you can clobber ubuntu changes
[03:48] <tseng> or just plain break things
[03:48] <ajmitch> and you have to sacrifice a goat @ the full moon to appease the UVF enforcers
[03:48] <bddebian> heh
[03:49] <bmonty> heh...so if you break a package that a lot of others depend on, that kind of thing?
[03:49] <ajmitch> bmonty: then we will talk to you sternly
[03:49] <ajmitch> UVF is there to give us a chance to stabilise things
[03:49] <ajmitch> packages like ace - well they're totally broken anyway, so a sync can't hurt
[03:50] <bmonty> makes sense
[03:50] <bmonty> reading through the bug reports on BTS, I wasn't about to start messing with it :)
[03:56] <jbailey> Hmm.
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya jbailey
[03:56] <jbailey> ruby-gnome2's version is 0.12.0-2build2, and I need to add an ubuntu version to it.
[03:56] <jbailey> Does it become -2build2ubuntu1?
[03:57] <ajmitch> nope
[03:57] <ajmitch> 2ubuntu1
[03:57] <jbailey> Oh good. =)
[03:57] <ajmitch> since it's the 1st ubuntu change to the debian package
[03:57] <bddebian> :-)
[03:58] <Lathiat> bmonty: check out http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ace/ace_ubuntu.patch
[03:59] <bmonty> k
[03:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: by that, we have a build-dep change
[03:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: so check the debian package
[03:59] <slomo> we need someone to write dh_ruby to retrieve all dependencies on ruby stuff automatically ;)
[03:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: see if that is there
[03:59] <tseng> slomo: hm that doesnt sound hard
[03:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: if it is, we can forget about it and sync
[03:59] <bmonty> hold on
[03:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: if not you need to get the debian version, apply that build-dep change then propose that for upload
[03:59] <slomo> tseng: dh_* stuff has to be perl afaik... so it is hard ;)
[03:59] <tseng> slomo: just parse '^ require'
[03:59] <tseng> oh
[03:59] <tseng> boo
[04:00] <slomo> not boo... perl ;P
[04:00] <tseng> yes
[04:00] <bddebian> Are we just screwed on the slang stuff?
[04:00] <slomo> bddebian: what slang stuff?
[04:00] <slomo> tseng: do you know some perl? maybe you can create it then ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> Transitions
[04:00] <bmonty> Lathiat: ok, let me check that
[04:00] <ajmitch> you should have checked this..
[04:00] <tseng> slomo: nope, just a very small touch of ruby
[04:01] <tseng> slomo: starting to do my first program
[04:01] <ajmitch> I checked, and you can drop the ubuntu patch
[04:01] <slomo> bddebian: i've done everything except stuff that needed work upstream
[04:01] <Lathiat> umm
[04:01] <slomo> bddebian: so... when you know slang and can port the stuff do it ;) i can't
[04:01] <Lathiat> i cant see ace on packages.d.o
[04:01] <bddebian> slomo: Ohh, rockin'
[04:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: build dep change is in debian
[04:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok
[04:01] <ajmitch> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1), libssl-dev (>= 0.9.7d), dpatch (>= 2.0.10), xlibs-dev (>= 4.3.0), libfltk1.1-dev (>= 1.1.4), libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3), tk8.4-dev (>= 8.4.7), docbook-to-man, libxerces26-dev, bzip2
[04:02] <slomo> bddebian: also some of the slang rdepends are stuff which is already fixed but has an old version in the archives
[04:02] <Lathiat> ajmitch: why cant i see that on p.d.o?
[04:02] <Lathiat> \
[04:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: because you're looking for binary packages
[04:02] <Lathiat> oh
[04:02] <Lathiat> how do i ask it for source packages?
[04:02] <Lathiat> ah
[04:02] <Lathiat> i see
[04:03] <Lathiat> wow that thing builds lots fo packages
[04:03] <bmonty> ajmitch: yet another item to add to my checklist....
[04:03] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: next time, check that before you get me to ack a sync :P
[04:04] <bddebian> If I go from just 1.4 and add ubuntu changes is it 1.4-1ubuntu1?
[04:04] <bmonty> ajmitch: sorry
[04:04] <bmonty> ajmitch: looks correct to me on the build depends change in the ubuntu package, debian is the same
[04:05] <ajmitch> yes
[04:05] <ajmitch> it was actually a dep change, but whatever
[04:05] <bmonty> ajmitch: I think I would have found that problem when I built it in the pbuilder
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: 1.4 -> 1.4ubuntu1
[04:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Really?
[04:05] <ajmitch> yes, really
[04:05] <bddebian> Seems strange but OK
[04:05] <jbailey> libgettext-ruby and ruby-gnome2 uploaded
[04:06] <jbailey> Hmm
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: seems perfectly reasonable
[04:06] <jbailey> Now to figure out how to close a bug in malone.
[04:06] <ajmitch> jbailey: edit, mark as fixed :)
[04:06] <slomo> jbailey: go to the edit link ;)
[04:06] <ajmitch> jbailey: thanks for that, btw :)
[04:06] <jbailey> Is that edit description?
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: you sound ike you don't believe me :)
[04:06] <ajmitch> jbailey: no, edit on the bug task, beside who it is assigned to
[04:07] <jroes> heh, where does the pbuilder chroot go?
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: I believe you, it just looks weird
[04:08] <jbailey> Ah, once I log in the edit option is there.
[04:09] <bddebian> :-)
[04:09] <jbailey> So now I need to mark this as fixed-in-ubuntu, not fixed-in-upstream, I think.
[04:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: as an example - meta-kde that was uploaded today
[04:10] <bmonty> jroes: /var/cache/pbuilder
[04:10] <jbailey> Mm, that didn't do it.
[04:10] <jroes> ahhh
[04:11] <jbailey> That time it did.
[04:11] <ajmitch> jbailey: there should just be an ubuntu task
[04:11] <Mez> hmm?
[04:11] <ajmitch> jbailey: #2084, right?
[04:11] <jbailey> ajmitch: I have no idea.
[04:11] <Mez> what was that about meta-kde?
[04:11] <jbailey> I was working on 1795
[04:11] <jbailey> But 2084 is a dup of it.
[04:11] <ajmitch> they're suplicates..
[04:11] <ajmitch> Mez: don't worry
[04:11] <Mez> lol
[04:11] <Mez> sorry
[04:12] <Mez> saw my change
[04:12] <Mez> ] thought "what"
[04:12] <ajmitch> jbailey: ok, you marked it as fixed, that's all that's needed
[04:12] <jbailey> a'ight.
[04:12] <jbailey> As a side effect, alexandria now works.
[04:12] <ajmitch> although requesting fix upstream might be good, with that comment
[04:12] <ajmitch> yay
[04:12] <ajmitch> close the alexandria bug, too?
[04:12] <jbailey> I don't know how to search in malone, though. =)
[04:12] <ajmitch> it's a little annoying
[04:13] <ajmitch> I can't go back to bugs assigned to MOTU from that screen
[04:13] <jbailey> I used google to find the other bugs.
[04:13] <ajmitch> lol
[04:13] <jbailey> You bookmark all the bugs?
[04:13] <ajmitch> no
[04:13] <ajmitch> lists like https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[04:14] <jbailey> Ah.  and from here I can search?
[04:14] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2054 is alexandra
[04:14] <ajmitch> the whole list is more informative
[04:14] <jbailey> I really ought to learn this one day, though.
[04:15] <jbailey> There's a whole thread on this on rubyforge?
[04:15] <jbailey> Dudes,
[04:15] <jbailey> I don't speak ruby and it took me an hour to solve the first issue and pass the second one on to upstream with enough info to help them solve it.
[04:15] <bddebian> ?
[04:15] <jbailey> (Which is funny, since upstream reported the bug in malone.. *g*)
[04:15] <bddebian> ha
[04:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: you ran out of things to do, and decided to spend time on malone?
[04:16] <jbailey> ajmitch: No, my friend David complained that Alexandria worked in sid but not in breezy.
[04:16] <bddebian> lol
[04:16] <ajmitch> heh
[04:17] <bddebian> libdebtags1 re-uploaded
[04:18] <bddebian> oohhh packagesearch
[04:21] <jbailey> Err.
[04:21] <jbailey> Why does the button move everytime I click on it?
[04:21] <bddebian> That's a "feature" ;-)
[04:21] <ajmitch> jbailey: it's malone
[04:21] <jbailey> Oh good.
[04:22] <ajmitch> you have to expect these things
[04:22] <jbailey> Ahahah =)
[04:22] <jbailey> I wonder how much next usability grilling will go. =)
[04:22] <jbailey> I should have brad over here again. =)
[04:22] <ajmitch> is he in montreal?
[04:22] <jbailey> You're right that this whole list search is nicer.
[04:22] <jbailey> Yes.  We go for tea occasionally, we're walking distance apart.
[04:22] <ajmitch> nice
[04:23] <jroes> and for my first package, I will do pinball :)
[04:23] <bddebian> Didn't torcs get fixed/uploaded recently?
[04:24] <jbailey> How do security uploads after release work?  Is there any option to do it if one feels so moved?
[04:24] <slomo> jroes: pinball? good luck ;)
[04:24] <jbailey> Ugh, even though a bug is a dupe, it doesn't get closed when the original one does?
[04:24] <jroes> oh
[04:24] <jroes> is it tough? :)
[04:25] <jroes> damn, I was hoping for something easy
[04:25] <jroes> I mean, come on, it's PINBALL :)
[04:25] <ajmitch> jbailey: post to security-review
[04:25] <slomo> jroes: iirc it was harder... it needs slang transition and you have to port it to slang2 ;)
[04:25] <ajmitch> pitti can fill you in on the upload details
[04:25] <jbailey> ajmitch: 'kay, I'll poke him.
[04:25] <jbailey> Maybe I won't have to move my systems from sendmail.
[04:25] <jroes> awww man
[04:25] <jroes> I bet everyone already did the easy stuff :)
[04:25] <ajmitch> jbailey: no no, I think you should :)
[04:26] <jbailey> jamessan|laptop: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1845 =)
[04:26] <bddebian> jroes: No, there should still be some easy stuff or just rebuilds out there yet
[04:26] <jbailey> ajmitch: sendmail is good and right. =)
[04:26] <jbailey> It's the One True Mailer(tm).
[04:27] <jroes> I think I'd better start with something that's just a rebuild then :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> jbailey: supybot looks fine at a glance
[04:27] <bmonty> speaking of rebuilds, darcs is one of them
[04:27] <jroes> hmm, darcs wasn't in my list
[04:27] <ajmitch> ah yes
[04:27] <ajmitch> iirc slomo asked for a sync
[04:27] <slomo> darcs? no
[04:27] <jroes> oh, someone already did it
[04:28] <bddebian> slomo: BTW, clean up your merge list on bugzilla ;-P
[04:28] <ajmitch> well it was around 3am when someone said :)
[04:28] <jbailey> ajmitch: I sponsor the package for jamessan into Debian. =)
[04:28] <ajmitch> jbailey: ah right :)
[04:28] <slomo> do we still build python2.2 packages? because python2.2-numarray isn't in the archives anymore...
[04:28] <slomo> and needed by one package
[04:28] <ajmitch> slomo: no we don't
[04:28] <slomo> ajmitch: ok, i'll remove the 2.2 stuff then ;)
[04:29] <sladen> slomo: can't the package in question be fixed/removed!
[04:29] <slomo> sladen: the package currently ships binaries for 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4... i'll just remove the 2.2 one
[04:29] <jbailey> Maybe if I feel insane tomorrow I'll tackle the sendmail bugs.
[04:30] <bddebian> jbailey: Nice :-)
[04:30] <ajmitch> slomo: what package?
[04:30] <jbailey> I *will* get a team of people together who love it so that it can go into main, DAMMIT
[04:30] <bddebian> heh
[04:30] <slomo> ajmitch: pytables... i synced from debian for gcc4 fixes and now i'll remove the 2.2 stuff again ;)
[04:30] <ajmitch> ok
[04:31] <ajmitch> you shouldn't sync & fix, but just fix (with new debian version merged)
[04:31] <sladen> jbailey: jeez, this is the 21st century---get a MTA with less bugs ;-)
[04:31] <slomo> ajmitch: that's what i meant
[04:31] <jamessan|laptop> jbailey: that'd be a python-twisted thing.  the maintainer Conflicted against packages that used twisted when he released 2.0 until he found out whether they worked correctly with twisted.  The Conflict was removed in the latest python-twisted in Debian
[04:31] <jbailey> sladen: I would love to, but I haven't found one yet.
[04:32] <jbailey> jamessan|laptop: Ah, cool.  Would you mind noting that in the bug?
[04:32] <jamessan|laptop> you mean I have to register?
[04:32] <jamessan|laptop> ;)
[04:32] <jbailey> jamessan|laptop: No idea. =)
[04:32] <jbailey> I've never tried using malone without registering.
[04:33] <slomo> tseng: uploading new beagle currently
[04:33] <jamessan|laptop> jbailey: I'll be prepping a new Supybot package soon as well as  a NEW supybot-plugins
[04:34] <jbailey> jamessan|laptop: Ah, cool.  As usual, poke me when you're ready.
[04:34] <slomo> jbailey: any new ideas on my ibook problem? :(
[04:34] <bddebian> slomo: I think you need to send it to me. ;-)
[04:35] <slomo> bddebian: ?
[04:35] <bddebian> slomo: Your ibook
[04:35] <slomo> bddebian: why? :P
[04:36] <bddebian> slomo: Becuase I want it. :-)
[04:36] <slomo> bddebian: lol... buy one :) they aren't that expensive anymore ;)
[04:36] <jroes> woo
[04:37] <jroes> ok so, I decided to try to take care of ipmenu.  I ran sudo apt-get source ipmenu then sudo pbuilder build ipmenu*.dsc and I was successful (I assume, as there were no errors).  now what? :)
[04:38] <slomo> jroes: check whether the packages are installable now :)
[04:39] <jroes> ah :)
[04:39] <jbailey> slomo: Nope.
[04:39] <jbailey> slomo: I'm going to have to just reassign it to the kernel guys until they can prove that the initramfs is actually being loaded.
[04:41] <jroes> doh!  looks like we need objc-poc.  http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/devel/objc-poc but not in Hoary's apt
[04:41] <slomo> jbailey: if you want my oppinion on that... it seems like the initramfs is found by the kernel but can't be mounted... it is mounted as root filesystem in the beginning, isn't it?
[04:41] <jbailey> slomo: It's not mounted, it's unpacked onto it.
[04:41] <jbailey> The problem is that other people ibooks are having no troubles.
[04:41] <jbailey> +with
[04:42] <slomo> jbailey: yes i know that :( maybe i have to find the differences between our ibooks
[04:43] <slomo> jbailey: so the root filesystem is a ramdisk in the beginning where the initrd is unpacked on?
[04:43] <jbailey> slomo: That's why I suggested the OF, but it seems that it's usually just upgraded as part of the Mac OS install.
[04:43] <jbailey> slomo: Right, it's that way until the kernel dies.
[04:44] <jbailey> slomo: The new filesystem is just mounted on top of that.
[04:45] <jbailey> Bed time, g'n all.
[04:45] <slomo> jbailey: hmm... i can try to get a tiger cd and install from that and retry ubuntu after that...
[04:45] <slomo> jbailey: ok, gn8 :)
[04:45] <jbailey> slomo: Did you try a fresh breezy install rather than an upgrade?
[04:45] <bddebian> gnight jbailey
[04:45] <slomo> jbailey: sure
[04:49] <bmonty> anybody worked php packages on unmet deps?
[04:50] <bddebian> bmonty: Not that I recall.  Whats up?
[04:51] <bmonty> I'm looking at dbtcp which generates php4-dbtcp which depends on phpabi-20020918 which is a virtual package that doesn't appear in ubuntu
[04:51] <ajmitch> bmonty: I've fixed spplus which had the same issue
[04:51] <ajmitch> so I can fix those if you wish
[04:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: I'll look at your package and see how you fixed it
[04:53] <ajmitch> ok, fixed dbtcp
[04:54] <bddebian> Hmm, synopsis needs lovin'
[04:56] <bmonty> ajmitch: thanks, I could have taken care of it :)
[05:05] <bddebian> w00t, libdebtags1 built..
[05:05] <bmonty> nice
[05:10] <chillywilly> hey I have opwnwrt running on a wrt54gs w/ dropbear ssh server/client but I cannot ssh into any Ubuntu boxes...any ideas why that might be? I am thinking it has something to do with the crypto, however I haven't seen anything in the logs
[05:11] <bddebian> chillywilly: Take it to #heresaquarter ;-P
[05:12] <chillywilly> what?!?
[05:12] <chillywilly> why I outta...
[05:13] <chillywilly> oh great soem douche bags were running the ssh dictionary attack on my server
[05:13] <bddebian> :-)
[05:17] <bmonty> chillywilly: I have an iptables rule that limits the number of connections over a time period....really effective against ssh dictionary attacks
[05:24] <bmonty> any reason libgtk2-java isn't in breezy?
[05:25] <bddebian> Because java sucks? :-)
[05:26] <chillywilly> found the problem
[05:26] <chillywilly> have to set sshd_configu PasswordAuthentication yes then I can ssh in from the linksys
[05:26] <chillywilly> not sure I like that at all
[05:31] <bmonty> chillywilly: why not put authorized_keys in ~root/.ssh?
[05:31] <bmonty> on your linksys
[05:31] <chillywilly> there are many ways to make things more secure
[05:31] <chillywilly> not even sure key auth works with dropbear
[05:32] <bmonty> bddebian: are you insecure with OO languages? :P
[05:32] <bmonty> chillywilly: I believe it does, I use key auth with my linksys
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty: Of course, I am insecure with EVERYTHING :-)
[05:33] <bmonty> bddebian: glad to hear I'm not the only one
[05:35] <slomo> hehe... bmonty, why do you ask bddebian if he's insecure with OO languages? :)
[05:35] <ajmitch> silly question
[05:35] <bmonty> slomo: he thinks java sucks
[05:36] <bmonty> ajmitch: ace FTBFS :(
[05:37] <slomo> bmonty: but java sucks ;)
[05:38] <bddebian> heh
[05:38] <slomo> bmonty: but for java-gnome... it is in debian so that would be just a sync :)
[05:38] <bmonty> I need gtk-java, but I think I just figured it out
[05:39] <bmonty> and java doesn't suck...
[05:39] <slomo> bmonty: ok... :P but i just don't like it ;)
[05:39] <bmonty> lol
[05:40] <bddebian> heh
[05:40] <slomo> bmonty: maybe :P but it's so late and i'm lazy... what is the word i meant? :)
[05:41] <bmonty> non-flammable....inflammable means something will burn
[05:41] <slomo> lol
[05:41] <slomo> ok :)
[05:42] <bmonty> thats good to know for the next time you play trivial pursuit :)
[05:43] <slomo> hehe thanks ;) but anyway... are the gtk/gnome bindings for java really stuck at 2.8? at least that is the newest i found in debian
[05:46] <bmonty> libgnome-java is 2.10 in breezy
[05:49] <slomo> oh ok... i better go to bed now ;)
[05:49] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[05:49] <bddebian> Gnight slomo
[06:02] <bddebian> We have poker3d and poker-3d ?
[06:03] <bmonty> do you guys think that ubuntu needs a package that only provides functionality with the debian BTS (i'm talking about debbuggtk)
[06:04] <ajmitch> in the spirit of linux, we probably do have 2 nearly identical packages written by 2 separate people
[06:04] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes
[06:04] <ajmitch> I have a slight bias towards doign stuff with debian where possible
[06:04] <bmonty> ajmitch: looking at p.d.o, it appears debian has dropped the package
[06:04] <ajmitch> then we can drop it
[06:08] <bddebian> Holy crap, poker3d is 27Mb
[06:09] <ajmitch> yep
[06:15] <whiprush> tseng: ! new upstream release!
[06:16] <bmonty> if a package ver is 3.2-5ubuntu3 and all it needs is a rebuild, what does the version become?
[06:17] <bddebian> bmonty: You'll probably have to keep ubuntu but I don't know for sure.
[06:19] <bmonty> I think there are several people working on universe that aren't updating unmet deps
[06:19] <ajmitch> probably
[06:20] <bddebian> aye
[06:20] <bddebian> The list probably needs a refresh too.  I know I have hit some as part of GL/GLU transitions
[06:22] <bmonty> ajmitch: I moved dbtcp under your name on the done table
[06:23] <ajmitch> thanks
[06:24] <bddebian> OK gang, I think I'm heading for bed.  Good stuff tonight!!
[06:24] <ajmitch> night
[06:29] <bmonty> time for my bed time as well...night everyone
[07:05] <BurgLaptop> ok, I want to trade in some of my "MOTU's love me" money
[07:05] <BurgLaptop> I would like gobby synced from unstable
[07:05] <BurgLaptop> partially because this page --> http://gobby.0x539.de/download.html
[07:06] <BurgLaptop> claims it already exists in Ubuntu, when it doesn't
[07:42] <Mithrandir> tseng: pong
[07:42] <Mithrandir> slomo: pong
[09:09] <\sh> morning
[09:16] <mornfall> morning
[09:16] <mornfall> tell whoever is building libtagcoll1 that he needs to add libtut-dev as a builddep :)
[09:18] <mornfall> either that or fix the makefiles to use the included tut.h, it should be still around
[09:18] <crimsun> that's bddebian more than likely
[09:18] <mornfall> yes, i'd think so, but he doesn't seem to be around
[09:19] <crimsun> yeah, he's asleep I think
[09:19] <mornfall> yup he is
[09:20] <\sh> what is it ? tagwhat?
[09:20] <mornfall> tagcoll - library for tagged collections
[09:20] <mornfall> tut - template unit testing
[09:20] <mornfall> s/building libtagcoll1/building libdebtags1/ drat it
[09:21] <\sh> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>> 4.1), dh-buildinfo, pkg-config, cdbs, flex, bison, doxygen, graphviz, latex, dvips, gs, tdb-dev, libtut-dev
[09:23] <\sh> brb
[09:23] <Mithrandir> mornfall: it built fine here?
[09:24] <mornfall> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdebtags1/1.4/
[09:28] <Mithrandir> yeah, I just need to hack up a chroot to test in, since my pbuilder chroot doesn't have universe enabled
[09:37] <Mithrandir> mornfall: hmm?  That seems to have built successfully?
[09:46] <\sh> mornfall: tagcoll builded successfully btw
[09:46] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tagcoll/1.4-1ubuntu1/tagcoll_1.4-1ubuntu1_20050909-2210-i386-successful.gz
[09:52] <alisher> hello, I have a question, is there any way I can install LyX in breezy?
[09:54] <ajmitch> hm
[09:54] <ajmitch> file a bug in  malone :)
[09:54] <alisher> just upgraded to breezy,... such pitty, I am using lyx to write my paper
[09:55] <ajmitch> i can try&7 recompile it & fix it up
[09:56] <alisher> the bug is already reported, I get the same message: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/1600
[09:57] <alisher> 1.3.6 doesnt install either
[09:57] <ajmitch> ah, rob weir is fixing in debian..
[09:57] <Mithrandir> bob2 was working on lyx stuff just now
[09:57] <ajmitch> oh great
[09:58] <ajmitch> we'll wait for him to get something uploaded
[09:59] <alisher> just need a suggestion, need it now, my thesis cannot wait:( is there any quick and dirty way to make it work, besides going back to hoary?
[10:00] <tritium> alisher, straight latex
[10:02] <mornfall> \sh, Mithrandir: [09:23:20]  < mornfall> s/building libtagcoll1/building libdebtags1/ drat it
[10:02] <robitaille> alisher,  boot in the Hoary live CD, install lyx from universe, then work while keeping your computer on?  Would that work?
[10:03] <alisher> will it work, if I switch repositories to Hoary and install lyx from there?
[10:03] <Mithrandir> mornfall: well, that link you posted was for libdebtags1, and it appears to have built fine?
[10:03] <alisher> with all the dependant packages
[10:03] <mornfall> Mithrandir: huh?
[10:04] <Mithrandir> mornfall: 09:24 < mornfall> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdebtags1/1.4/
[10:04] <robitaille> alisher,  installing lyn from hoary into breezy will most probably not work
[10:04] <mornfall> Mithrandir: i see bunch of -failed.gz
[10:04] <mornfall> 8
[10:04] <Mithrandir> mornfall: 1.4ubuntu1 exists
[10:04] <Mithrandir> alisher: does it work if you install lyx-qt instead?
[10:04] <alisher> i am installing qt
[10:05] <mornfall> Mithrandir: ah, fine then, just that Riddell told me it didn't build and pointed me at the logs, so that was probably out of date
[10:05] <ajmitch> no, all the frontends are depending on c++ transitioned libs
[10:05] <alisher> it is the package which has dependencies cannot be resolved
[10:05] <alisher> all others didnt
[10:05] <alisher> xforms also couldnt be installed
[10:05] <Mithrandir> alisher: xforms is probably in multiverse
[10:05] <alisher> common and lyx were fine
[10:06] <ajmitch> funnily enough lyx-xforms is in universe
[10:06] <Mithrandir> alisher: ouch, both of them are uninstallable.
[10:07] <ajmitch> it looks to be in main in debian now
[10:20] <alisher> enabled Hoary repositories, installed Ubuntu lyx 1.3.6 packages (lyx-qt and lyx-common)
[10:20] <ivoks> hi
[10:20] <alisher> seems to work
[10:20] <alisher> after fixing broken packages
[10:29] <ivoks> yay
[10:29] <ivoks> i fixed flightgear :)
[10:29] <\sh> what's up with me? I just threw up my food from yesterdaay
[10:30] <ivoks> hm....
[10:30] <ajmitch> \sh: uh oh
[10:30] <ivoks> that's odd
[10:30] <ajmitch> there's only one way to solve it
[10:30] <ajmitch> \sh: fix some more packages :)
[10:30] <ivoks> \sh: whole my family, even my g/f have same problems these days
[10:30] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm on my way to ogra ...
[10:30] <ajmitch> ah
[10:30] <ivoks> and my g/f is 300km away :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> say hi from us
[10:31] <\sh> ajmitch: will do :)
[10:31] <ivoks> ajmitch: if i have package version -1build1, and i do some changes, is it then 1build2 or 1ubuntu1?
[10:31] <ajmitch> ivoks: always -1ubuntu1
[10:32] <ivoks> ok
[10:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: to avoid automatic syncs overwriting your change
[10:32] <ivoks> ah, ok
[10:32] <Mez> sistpoty: ping
[10:44] <pef> hi
[10:48] <pef> Nafallo: hello, poker 3d doesn't build on pbuilder ?
[10:52] <ivoks> gr...
[10:53] <pef> Nafallo: I can't reproduce this error :/ http://dev.erodia.net/tmp/poker3d_pbuilder.log
[02:19] <ivoks> bddebian: hm...
[02:19] <ivoks> bddebian: this is libx11-dev issue, if i'm not wrong
[02:20] <bddebian> Yeah it looks that way but I'm not sure why/what
[02:20] <ivoks> ) _X_SENTINEL(0);
[02:20] <ivoks> extern void function (
[02:20] <ivoks> and then
[02:20] <ivoks> ) _X_SENTINEL(0);
[02:21] <ivoks> and it complains for every line that looks like that
[02:22] <ivoks> ahm...
[02:22] <ivoks> i uploaded 1ubuntu1 package version
[02:22] <bddebian> ?
[02:22] <ivoks> but it doesn't show up in build logs
[02:22] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[02:22] <bddebian> You fixed it?
[02:23] <ivoks> bddebian: not related to felt :)
[02:23] <\sh> ivoks: pong
[02:23] <bddebian> Oh you mean libx11-dev?
[02:24] <ivoks> \sh: in breey is flightgear-...-1build1
[02:24] <ivoks> \sh: i fixed it and gave it a -1ubuntu1 version
[02:24] <\sh> yes
[02:24] <ivoks> but... it isn't in build logs
[02:24] <ivoks> and package that i uploaded with it
[02:24] <ivoks> simgear0
[02:24] <ivoks> is in buildlogs
[02:24] <ivoks> for both i got Accepted
[02:25] <bddebian> ivoks: It's Dep-wait
[02:25] <ivoks> ah, could be...
[02:25] <bddebian> Need to have infinity or lamont clear it
[02:25] <\sh> yes this is the thing :)
[02:25] <\sh> ping infinity or lamont
[02:25] <ivoks> can i get url where i can see that? :)
[02:26] <bddebian> ivoks: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386
[02:26] <ivoks> thanks
[02:26] <bddebian> NP
[02:27] <ivoks> Dependencies: xlibmesa-gl-dev
[02:27] <ivoks> what!?
[02:27] <bddebian> That'll clear
[02:27] <\sh> who is benjamin montgomery?
[02:27] <bddebian> It's expecting the old deps
[02:27] <\sh> who synced ace???
[02:27] <bddebian> bmonty
[02:28] <\sh> i mean it's synced
[02:29] <\sh> is he in the debian ace+tao team?
[02:34] <ajmitch> \sh: bmonty is one of the regulars here, remember ;)
[02:34] <ajmitch> \sh: did you have a problem with ace being synced?
[02:39] <\sh> ajmitch: no...I was wandering only :)
[02:39] <ajmitch> \sh: good, because I OKed the sync ;)
[02:39] <\sh> ajmitch: actually ace is done...and i can inform infinity
[02:51] <\sh> hmmm
[02:51] <\sh> gtkglext is not correctly installed...means the package is broken somehow
[02:55] <pkern> ajmitch: Could you please inform me at pkern@debian.org when you got net6, obby and gobby ready?
[03:00] <ajmitch> pkern: sure
[03:00] <xerxas> hi
[03:00] <xerxas> I hit a little problem
[03:01] <xerxas> don't know if this is a bug
[03:01] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~$ apt-cache show ipython |grep Depend
[03:01] <xerxas> Depends: python2.3-ipython, ipython-common
[03:01] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~$
[03:01] <xerxas> I'm on breezy
[03:02] <xerxas> ipython isn't supposed to depend on python2.4 ?
[03:02] <xerxas> I mean python2.4-ipython
[03:03] <ajmitch> right, so it probably needs fixed
[03:03] <ajmitch> does it make it uninstallable?
[03:03] <ajmitch> hm, it seems to install fine
[03:04] <xerxas> it installs fine
[03:04] <xerxas> but it's the only package I have that uses python2.3
[03:05] <xerxas> and I didn't noticed that my ipython used python2.3
[03:05] <xerxas> I noticed it after a long time trying to understand why my imports don't work
[03:05] <xerxas> in ipython
[03:05] <xerxas> but works in python standart interpretor
[03:07] <xerxas> I think this is a problem
[03:07] <xerxas> if the dummy package python is python2.4
[03:07] <xerxas> ipython should be python2.4-ipython
[03:07] <xerxas> ajmitch, should I contact the package author ?
[03:07] <xerxas> or put that in a bugzilla ? (which one)
[03:08] <ajmitch> malone
[03:08] <ajmitch> don't contact the package author, as that'll be someone in debian
[03:08] <ajmitch> and debian has python 2.3 as default
[03:08] <slomo> xerxas: i'll fix it... don't put it in malone ;)
[03:08] <ajmitch> slomo: ok, I was going to fix it, but if you want... :)
[03:09] <xerxas> thanks guys, just my 2 cents
[03:09] <xerxas> and great work !
[03:10] <xerxas> are you both MOTU ?
[03:10] <slomo> yes
[03:11] <xerxas> so thanks for your work
[03:12] <xerxas> and I'll need to start doing some packaging soon
[03:12] <xerxas> to become a MOTU later :)
[03:12] <slomo> hehe what do you want to package? :)
[03:14] <xerxas> nothing :)
[03:14] <xerxas> picard, the musicbrainz tagger
[03:14] <xerxas> and lot of others things
[03:14] <ajmitch> good to hear :)
[03:14] <xerxas> or just help the other MOTUs
[03:15] <slomo> xerxas: do you have an url for picard? :) and when you want to help out you're welcome :) just come here when you need some help or someone to upload
[03:15] <xerxas> slomo, need to learn how to make debs before
[03:15] <xerxas> do you use buildd ? or fakeroot ?
[03:15] <xerxas> du you write debian/rules ?
[03:16] <ajmitch> yes, we write all the stuff in debian/ for new packages
[03:16] <ajmitch> often people use tools like dh-make
[03:16] <slomo> afaik everybody uses pbuilder here ;) and yes, we write debian/rules to package new stuff or do changes there to fix stuff, etc
[03:16] <ajmitch> or cdbs
[03:17] <bddebian> Hmm, why the heck isn't libdebtags1-dev in the archive?  It built fine??
[03:17] <xerxas> is there a "how to become a motu" anywhere ?
[03:17] <xerxas> or how to make packages for ubuntu ?
[03:17] <xerxas> or debian maybe ?
[03:18] <bddebian> xerxas: The Debian New Maintainers guide can be good (albeit lengthy)
[03:18] <xerxas> slomo, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardTagger
[03:18] <xerxas> slomo, but I'm currently making it works
[03:18] <xerxas> it doesn't run
[03:18] <xerxas> it's written in python
[03:18] <womble> xerxas: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/community/processes/newmember
[03:18] <xerxas> this is how I hit this ipython "bug"
[03:19] <slomo> xerxas: ipython is uploaded... should be on the ftp in an hour or something
[03:19] <xerxas> slomo, great :)
[03:19] <ajmitch> slomo: good work :)
[03:19] <bddebian> slomo: You ROCK d00d :-)
[03:19] <slomo> xerxas: are there some screenshots anywhere? ;)
[03:20] <xerxas> slomo, humm
[03:20] <xerxas> don't really know
[03:21] <xerxas> slomo, I also want to package nvu and sunbird maybe
[03:21] <xerxas> one day
[03:21] <xerxas> In my dreams
[03:21] <xerxas> :)
[03:21] <slomo> xerxas: isn't nvu already packages? ;)
[03:22] <xerxas> slomo, maybe :)
[03:22] <xerxas> I think I checked  but didn't find it
[03:22] <xerxas> hum
[03:22] <xerxas> you're right :)
[03:23] <xerxas> also maybe a deb for klik
[03:23] <xerxas> but I didn't manage to make it work
[03:23] <xerxas> (but I discovered it very recently)
[03:24] <xerxas> banshee entered breezy this morning :) , great work guys
[03:24] <xerxas> (I'll need to write some gnome-vfs support for banshee, but I'm not a goot coder)
[03:24] <xerxas> :)
[03:24] <xerxas> I just have plenty of ideas, but too lazy to do something :)
[03:24] <slomo> hehe thanks :) but i think upstream plans gnomevfs support
[03:25] <xerxas> slomo, is there a gnome-vfs c#support ?
[03:26] <xerxas> (all my music collection is on a remote machine, so right now banshee isn't really usefull to me)
[03:26] <slomo> xerxas: sure... libgnome2.0-cil / gnome-vfs-sharp-2.0
[03:26] <slomo> xerxas: DAAP support will come "soon" ;)
[03:27] <xerxas> slomo, isn't daap support already in ?
[03:27] <xerxas> daap is for ipod ?
[03:28] <xerxas> slomo, sorry, rhythmbox got recently daap support
[03:28] <xerxas> not banshee
[03:28] <xerxas> you're right
[03:28] <slomo> ipod support is... but daap is something else :)
[03:28] <xerxas> daap is a streaming protocol ?
[03:28] <slomo> you can share your music library over network with it
[03:29] <xerxas> humm
[03:29] <xerxas> I need a daap server ?
[03:29] <slomo> yes... mt-daapd for example
[03:30] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~$ apt-cache search daap
[03:30] <xerxas> xerxas@kisa:~$
[03:30] <slomo> xerxas: yes... it isn't in debian/ubuntu yet because of license problems with howl...
[03:30] <slomo> but as mt-daapd will get avahi support this will change
[03:30] <xerxas> great
[03:30] <xerxas> I already have avahi installed and just waiting to use it :)
[03:30] <slomo> most probably for breezy+1 :)
[03:31] <xerxas> is there already something that makes use of avahi in breezy ?
[03:32] <ajmitch> not yet
[03:32] <ajmitch> the first release was very recently, remember :)
[03:32] <ajmitch> 0.4 debs should get in real soon though
[03:33] <slomo> xerxas: i'll package a service discovery applet for the gnome panel soon ;)
[03:33] <slomo> xerxas: but for breezy there won't be something useful probably
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya Mez
[03:34] <Mez> hi
[03:34] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[03:37] <xerxas> when is the breezy freeze ?
[03:37] <xerxas> don't you maintain unofficial repositaries ?
[03:37] <xerxas> (gotta go)
[03:37] <slomo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[03:37] <xerxas> but I'll come back here, very pleansant channel
[03:38] <slomo> xerxas: hehe ok :) see you later :)
[03:38] <xerxas> (I'm not leaving the chan , just my home)
[03:38] <xerxas> :)
[03:41] <bddebian> Damnit I can't fix anything today.. :-(
[03:42] <bddebian> Anyone know why a package shows as building successful but still isn't in the archive?  (built yesterday)
[03:42] <slomo> bddebian: new package?
[03:42] <bddebian> Yes
[03:43] <slomo> bddebian: then it has to pass elmo first afaik... even when he synced from debian
[03:43] <bddebian> slomo: Ahh, OK
[04:05] <\sh> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../lib/libgdkglext-x11-1.0.so: undefined reference to `pango_x_font_cache_load'
[04:05] <Lathiat> xerxas: nss-mdns does
[04:05] <Lathiat> xerxas: else not much
[04:06] <Lathiat> xerxas: (lets you resolve hostnames on the network)
[04:06] <jbailey> ajmitch: Still awake?
[04:06] <\sh> hmmm
[04:06] <\sh> this error is known....but how was the fix
[04:07] <slomo> Lathiat: that's really much ;P btw, do you know someone who is working on avahi integration in mt-daapd? i only read in their forum that they "plan" to integrate it...
[04:07] <Lathiat> slomo: no idea
[04:07] <Lathiat> slomo: however rhythmbox now supports sharing & accessing DAAP shares
[04:07] <Lathiat> slomo: and banshee will soon
[04:07] <Lathiat> slomo: (both with avahi)
[04:08] <slomo> Lathiat: that doesn't help me :P i need something without X to run on my fileserver ;)
[04:09] <\sh> mpgblaster
[04:09] <slomo> Lathiat: but well... as they currently support howl avahi integration shouldn't be that hard :) when nothing changes until banshee has support for it i'll try it...
[04:09] <slomo> \sh: ?
[04:10] <ajmitch> jbailey: yep, course I am :)
[04:10] <ajmitch> it's only 2am
[04:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[04:10] <bddebian> Do we still support ruby1.6 stuff?
[04:10] <ajmitch> don't think so
[04:11] <j^> slomo http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/daapd
[04:11] <jbailey> ruby1.6 is in universe and at least one of the packags I touched  yesterday still produced 1.6 packages.
[04:11] <ajmitch> alright
[04:11] <Lathiat> j^: slomo is interested in one that uses avahi
[04:11] <\sh> slomo: music for the server ;)
[04:11] <ajmitch> hey Lathiat
[04:11] <Lathiat> also that description is wrong
[04:11] <jbailey> ajmitch: I was thinking of hacking together a bzr-buildpackage based on {cvs,svn}-buildpackage.
[04:11] <Lathiat> its the 'DAAP' protocol
[04:11] <Lathiat> not the DAA protocol
[04:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: still pimping avahi? ;)
[04:11] <jbailey> ajmitch: If I do this today, will you play with it for gnue?
[04:11] <slomo> j^: is crap :P mt-daapd support many more fileformats ;)
[04:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: of course :)
[04:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: io have new 0.4 packages, care to sponsior?
[04:11] <ajmitch> jbailey: sure, and pnet
[04:12] <jbailey> ajmitch: Luvly.
[04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ok, your key isn't signed & in yet?
[04:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: no
[04:12] <jbailey> I think bzr is sweet, and I'd love to see more people fleeing from baz. =)
[04:12] <ajmitch> still need signatures?
[04:12] <ajmitch> jbailey: I started using baz
[04:12] <ajmitch> it's a bit complex :)
[04:12] <Lathiat> ya, i need to get around to that
[04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: so fly to dunedin
[04:12] <jbailey> ajmitch: Dude, to  this day I still don't know how to work it.
[04:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[04:12] <slomo> Lathiat: avahi isn't a must... but would be nice ;) i could just install mt-daapd on my fileserver with howl... ;)
[04:12] <j^> Lathiat ok, im also interested in one that uses avahi
[04:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: should be a good keysigning at LCA if you're there :)
[04:13] <Lathiat> slomo: yeh you could, they do interoperate :)
[04:13] <jbailey> ajmitch: So I figure my best hope of never having to learn it is to convince the rest of the world that they should use bzr instead.
[04:13] <slomo> j^: http://www.mt-daapd.org/  <--- they "plan"
[04:13] <ajmitch> jbailey: a worthy goal
[04:13] <slomo> j^: and support many file formats
[04:13] <jbailey> ajmitch: My plot must be working, since bzr is now officially becoming baz 2. =)
[04:13] <Lathiat> bzr is nice
[04:13] <Lathiat> baz is just difficult
[04:13] <ajmitch> jbailey: let me help you on this path
[04:13] <Lathiat> to enlightenment?
[04:13] <jbailey> Excelent!!!
[04:14] <ajmitch> Lathiat: of course
[04:14] <jbailey> Lathiat: I suspect Andrew and I have differing views on enlightenment. ;)
[04:14] <ajmitch> bzr is the way
[04:14] <j^> slomo do you know if rhythmbox in ubuntu/breezy will support daap
[04:14] <ajmitch> ;)
[04:14] <jbailey> Everything before then we seem to agree on, though. =)
[04:14] <slomo> j^: yes... it will not ;)
[04:14] <slomo> j^: it's currently only in their CVS so i think it will take some time until they release it...
[04:14] <ajmitch> rhythmbox is in main
[04:14] <slomo> j^: and then... rb is in main
[04:14] <jbailey> ajmitch: Cool, I might use that as a distraction from writing documentation later.  But for now, /me wanders off to play more Starcraft.
[04:14] <ajmitch> seb isn't likely to put in such untested code right before release
[04:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: alright, I'll sleep & get back to you in 8 hours :)
[04:15] <jbailey> ajmitch: When was the last time you slept that long?
[04:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: well I'll be at church in the morning :)
[04:15] <slomo> j^: make one :)
[04:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: I actually slept from 9pm until 7am the other night
[04:16] <jbailey> Wow.
[04:16] <slomo> j^: or patch rb/banshee
[04:16] <ajmitch> I was quite surprised
[04:16] <Lathiat> yeh the rhythmbox daap code is definately not ready for release
[04:16] <j^> slomo i put it on my list of projects to do one day.
[04:19] <Lathiat> any good faith has equal and opposite paths to enlightenment :)
[04:21] <ajmitch> heh
[04:21] <ajmitch> anyway time for my 5 hours sleep :)
[04:21] <ajmitch> night all
[04:21] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[04:34] <pkern> ajmitch: I just saw that net6_1.0.1-1 and obby_0.1.0-1 already got synced into universe. Those versions are still in testing, but are not sufficient to run and build the current gobby. (o:
[04:35] <slomo> pkern: they were synced? where did you see this? :)
[04:35] <ivoks> oh.. is there any load balancing cluster for 2.6 kernels? :(
[04:36] <pkern> slomo: I guess so because it's the Debian package with my GPG signature, built one day after my upload.
[04:37] <pkern> (No changes are necessary to compile net6 or obby, just Gobby needs to be adapted to the different build dependencies)
[04:38] <slomo> pkern: hmm... at least it wasn't built yet... but i don't see it imported somewhere ;)
[04:38] <pkern> slomo: 07-Jun-2005
[04:39] <pkern> It will take quite some time until the updated packages flow into testing on the Debian side. I don't know if this is the base of the sync. |:
[04:39] <slomo> pkern: ok, i see... i thought you meant that it was synced a few minutes ago :)
[04:39] <pkern> Nope.
[04:39] <slomo> pkern: are the needed package versions in unstable or experimental?
[04:40] <slomo> pkern: or even incoming?
[04:40] <pkern> slomo: Unstable
[04:40] <pkern> slomo: But blocked by the ABI transition
[04:41] <slomo> pkern: were there any big changes or something from our to that version? otherwise we could probably just update it...
[04:41] <Lathiat> ivoks: there are various things
[04:41] <Lathiat> ivoks: what exactly are you trying to achieve ?
[04:41] <ivoks> Lathiat: openmosix :/
[04:41] <ajmitch> slomo: gobby itself needs tweaked, so we won't do a sync as-is
[04:41] <ivoks> Lathiat: i have one with 60 nodes
[04:41] <pkern> slomo: Hm. Good question. 1. It introduces new binary packages because of a new API, 2. I had to tighten the build dependencies, but I think for sigc++ only.
[04:42] <ivoks> Lathiat: but it's on 2.4, and i would like it to be 2.6
[04:42] <Lathiat> ivoks: opensli?
[04:42] <ivoks> Lathiat: i was checking that out
[04:42] <slomo> pkern: new API? ok, after breezy ;)
[04:42] <pkern> ajmitch: I'm currently only talking about the dependencies. Did you try them already? Was there a need to tweak?
[04:42] <ivoks> Lathiat: it does load balancing?
[04:42] <pkern> slomo: The packages in universe are worthless. Gobby is the only thing which uses it.
[04:42] <pkern> slomo: *them
[04:43] <ivoks> yeah, load leveling...
[04:43] <ajmitch> pkern: well we have to change the build-deps for gobby not to use the epoch, I think
[04:43] <Lathiat> ivoks: its one of those lots of systems as one clustering solutions
[04:43] <Lathiat> ivoks: however, theres sometimes better solutions to some problems
[04:43] <Lathiat> ivoks: just curious exactly what yoru using it for
[04:43] <slomo> pkern: ok... then they might get updated... are you sure it's really just gobby?
[04:43] <pkern> ajmitch: Yep.
[04:43] <pkern> slomo: Yes.
[04:44] <ivoks> Lathiat: calculations... basicly, lots of forking processes
[04:44] <slomo> ajmitch: what do you suggest? syncing net6 and obby from debian/unstable and gobby then?
[04:44] <Lathiat> ivoks: ah
[04:44] <ajmitch> slomo: no, I said don't sync gobby
[04:44] <tseng> Lathiat: is anyone working on an avahi file sharing app?
[04:44] <tseng> Lathiat: that doesnt suck like the ones built on howl last year
[04:45] <Lathiat> tseng: what would you propose
[04:45] <tseng> Lathiat: webdav stuff
[04:45] <slomo> ajmitch: ok, you handle it ;)
[04:45] <ajmitch> slomo: I was :P
[04:45] <j^> tseng you would have to fix webdav in nautilus first
[04:45] <slomo> ajmitch: wonderfull :)
[04:45] <tseng> j^: it worked reasonably with the old apps
[04:45] <ajmitch> slomo: we don't sync things that we're going to fix 5 minutes later
[04:46] <ajmitch> it's a waste of elmo's time
[04:46] <j^> tseng not for larger files
[04:46] <tseng> j^: one is unmaintained and crappy, the other uses apache2, though
[04:46] <tseng> there are really two use cases for me
[04:46] <slomo> ajmitch: i know... i haven't looked at the stuff yet and would've tried to build it before asking for a sync ;)
[04:46] <j^> tseng last time i tried to copy a 4GB file on a webdav share, nautilus tried to allocate 4GB ram
[04:46] <tseng> 1) i have a dedicated file server, i want to share webdav with some big heavy Unixy server like apache
[04:46] <tseng> and push to clients via zeroconf
[04:47] <Nafallo> \sh: ping
[04:47] <tseng> 2) i am a desktop user and want to click in nautilus and share files with a lighter webdav server
[04:47] <tseng> that runs as my user in the session
[04:47] <ajmitch> 3) I have an ad-hoc wireless network & just want to copy a couple of files to a friend
[04:47] <tseng> thats doable with 2
[04:47] <j^> tseng do you happen to know what apple uses to webdav share?
[04:47] <ajmitch> or a few GB, as the case usually is
[04:47] <tseng> j^: nope
[04:48] <tseng> j^: im guessing apache?
[04:48] <ivoks> Lathiat: i will leave it on 2.4 and wait for 2.6 release of openmosix
[04:49] <\sh> Nafallo: pong
[04:49] <ajmitch> Lathiat: btw avahi is very fast at discovery when an interface comes up :)
[04:49] <Nafallo> \sh: seen malone #2179 ?
[04:49] <\sh> gajim i think i saw it
[04:50] <ivoks> j^: still in zagreb?
[04:50] <j^> tseng right now samba/cfs looks like the only way to copy large files
[04:50] <\sh> Nafallo: lemme check
[04:50] <j^> ivoks yes. will do a cinema tonight.
[04:50] <Nafallo> \sh: I already commented what's wrong ;-). we just have to figure out a way to solve this for breezy.
[04:50] <ivoks> j^: what are you doing here?
[04:50] <j^> ivoks cinema
[04:51] <slomo> \sh: ace built? it still has some unmet deps it seems...
[04:51] <pkern> Where should I report universe bugs to? Ubuntu bugzilla? Beagle is quitting with System.DllNotFoundException: evolutionglue
[04:51] <tseng> its already being fixed
[04:51] <ivoks> j^: huh? :)
[04:51] <\sh> slomo: i just saw only the sync...
[04:51] <slomo> pkern: don't worry... try updating in 30 minutes :)
[04:51] <pkern> slomo: Ok
[04:52] <slomo> \sh: ok, i'll look at it maybe... later ;)
[04:53] <\sh> Nafallo: yes same error as with psi and using gpg-agent and entered password
[04:53] <Nafallo> \sh: this is more like not using gpg-agent, but have gajim believe it should ;-)
[04:56] <Nafallo> \sh: should we just add something to trigger that in the accountmod-dialog?
[04:57] <womble> What's the procedure for getting a security update into Hoary for a Universe package?  (Specifically: squirrelmail, in this case)
[04:57] <\sh> Nafallo: yes and no
[04:58] <tseng> womble: pull the fixes from debian into the hoary package and give it to Nafallo
[04:58] <tseng> womble: it would be XubuntuY.1
[04:58] <tseng> where XubuntuY is the revision in hoary
[04:59] <\sh> Nafallo: you know that we won't get those patches into upstream...so we have to be upstream by ourselves
[04:59] <Nafallo> womble: s/Nafallo/security-review@lists.ubuntu.com/ :-)
[04:59] <Nafallo> I don't do security much
[05:00] <tseng> i was sure you did
[05:00] <tseng> oh well
[05:00] <Nafallo> \sh: for those patches, yes :-)
[05:00] <Nafallo> tseng: I know, I did, but not anymore :-/. ENOTIME
[05:00] <womble> OK, patch going off to the list in short order
[05:00] <tseng> great
[05:01] <Nafallo> \sh: hawke talked about auto-detection. that would ofcourse be better, but should be a bit tricky ;-)
[05:02] <Nafallo> \sh: or can we just read use-agent from .gnupg/gpg.conf?
[05:05] <\sh> Nafallo: lets do the use-gpg-agent ui switch :)
[05:06] <bddebian> OK, gotta run for a while, later gang
[05:06] <\sh> Nafallo: but before we do it , we need a bazaar archive
[05:06] <Nafallo> \sh: bazaar-ng rather ;-)
[05:06] <\sh> Nafallo: jblack import
[05:07] <\sh> Nafallo: one main brach in bazaar and then one ubuntu branch and our local stuff
[05:07] <Nafallo> \sh: sure, aslong as baz2bzr works ;-). bazaar-ng is _easy_ to use :-)
[05:09] <\sh> Nafallo: well...only a matter of learning...
[05:09] <\sh> Nafallo: the reimport into svn is something which gives me a headache
[05:09] <Nafallo> indeed
[05:12] <\sh> Nafallo: i will ask jblack on monday to import svn head
[05:13] <Nafallo> \sh: https://launchpad.net/products/gajim/+series/main
[05:13] <pkern> When baz has the usability of darcs I'll switch. ;p
[05:15] <Nafallo> \sh: you got mail at sh-sourcecode@ubuntu.com :-)
[05:17] <\sh> Nafallo: imported already? wooo
[05:18] <ivoks> grr...
[05:18] <ivoks> flightgear FTBS on 64bit
[05:18] <Nafallo> \sh: not exactly. fails ;-)
[05:19] <\sh> Nafallo: so it needs some adjustment by the bazaar gurus
[05:20] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[05:20] <\sh> or w8
[05:20] <Nafallo> \sh: why do you use sh-sourcecode at launchpad btw? ;-)
[05:21] <tseng> hm how do i set up my launchpad mail?
[05:22] <Nafallo> tseng: prefer the mailaddress to forward to and then mail to $Name@ubuntu.com
[05:22] <Nafallo> in \sh's case sh-sourcecode@ubuntu.com :-P
[05:23] <Nafallo> there is a cronjob to update the aliases every hour or so :-)
[05:23] <tseng> i dont see a prefs page
[05:23] <tseng> oh its my user i guess
[05:24] <Nafallo> yepp, brandon@ubuntu.com should work
[05:25] <slomo> Mez: you have bittorrent on your unmet deps todo list... but it's in main (but anyway, just change the dependency for the GUI package to python-wxgtk2.4)
[05:25] <ivoks> anyone has amd64?
[05:25] <Mez> yeah, I emailed I think it was infintiy
[05:26] <Nafallo> slomo: isn't that done already?
[05:26] <Mez> with patches
[05:26] <slomo> Mez: ok :)
[05:26] <slomo> ivoks: Nafallo has
[05:26] <Mez> which dont exist anymore
[05:26] <Mez> whee
[05:27] <slomo> ?
[05:27] <ivoks> yay!
[05:27] <tseng> i wonder if i add brandon@ubuntu.com to my gpg key if it will work
[05:28] <tseng> based on sigs on the other addresses
[05:28] <tseng> i guess so
[05:28] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:28] <jsgotangco> prolly
[05:28] <jsgotangco> maybe i should add mine as well
[05:28] <Mez> tseng: if you add your ubuntu email to your key thats already registered it works
[05:28] <tseng> great
[05:28] <Mez> ubuntu.com emails are whitelisted
[05:28] <tseng> yes
[05:28] <Mez> and it checks agaisnt the key, not the email on the key
[05:29] <tseng> indeed
[05:29] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:29] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hi there!
[05:30] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey long time no talk jonathan
[05:30] <highvoltage> yep. had a good sfd here.
[05:30] <highvoltage> i think i personally gave out at least 2000 copies of the open cd today :)
[05:31] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how's your sfd?
[05:31] <ivoks> Nafallo: ping
[05:32] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: rad, i spoke to around 200+ people, we had a burnfest, we ran out of 5.04 CDs
[05:33] <highvoltage> we too. although we had little to start with. i think we had about 500 ubuntu 5.04 cd's, and just under 10 000 open cd's.
[05:33] <highvoltage> all gone now :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> i think sfd had a bigger overall effect this year than last year.
[05:34] <womble> Mail sent; hopefully the patch will go through shortly.
[05:38] <ivoks> so... how can i test if package will build on amd64? :)
[05:38] <ivoks> just upload it and hope for best? :)
[05:38] <slomo> ivoks: or ask nafallo to test it ;)
[05:39] <ivoks> no Nafallo here :)
[05:39] <ivoks> what the heck...
[05:40] <slomo> ivoks: is it that important to know if it builds on amd64? did it fail there before and you tried to fix that?
[05:40] <ivoks> it failed, i fixed it
[05:40] <ivoks> but it could fail again on some other stage..
[05:40] <slomo> it failed everwhere? or just amd64?
[05:40] <ivoks> amd64 and ia64... int -> long
[05:40] <ivoks> long -> int :)
[05:41] <ivoks> so, i fixed that, but i can check whole source to find any other float -> int
[05:41] <ivoks> long -> int
[05:41] <ivoks> it's 10MB gziped :)
[05:41] <slomo> your patch?
[05:42] <ivoks> patch?
[05:42] <ivoks> it trivial change
[05:42] <ivoks> i have expirience with cxx transition
[05:42] <slomo> well i would wait for someone on amd64 to test it :)
[05:42] <ivoks> i'll upload... and hope it won't fail again somwhere else :)
[05:43] <ivoks> we'll see
[05:43] <slomo> and that's no cxxtransition but developers who should be forbidden to code in C ;)
[05:43] <ivoks> no..
[05:43] <ivoks> it's old app
[05:43] <ivoks> it compiles on 32bit arch
[05:43] <ivoks> but not on 64
[05:44] <ivoks> because int have diff sizes on diff archs
[05:44] <slomo> that's what i meant... developers assuming that sizeof(int) == sizeof(long) == sizeof(void *) == 4 ;)
[05:44] <pkern> int32_t (=
[05:45] <ivoks> ah, idiot...
[05:45] <slomo> ?
[05:45] <pkern> Heh.
[05:46] <ivoks> no, it's ok... :)
[05:46] <ivoks> i tought i forgot write changelog :)
[05:46] <slomo> hehe
[05:47] <ivoks> we will see in 20-30 minutes
[05:47] <pkern> Yeehaw, new libevolution-cli
[05:47] <slomo> pkern: and it works... at least for me ;)
[05:48] <pkern> Yep. But all those .exe in `ps aux' confuse me ;)
[05:49] <pkern> Wow :D
[05:50] <ivoks> me too
[05:57] <slomo> uh... wtf is yada? :/
[05:58] <ivoks> apt-cache show yada :)
[05:58] <slomo> yes i read that... but it looks ugly as hell :(
[06:07] <jroes> what's that
[06:07] <jroes> need someone on amd64 to test what
[06:07] <jroes> :)
[06:08] <jroes> where did you upload it ivoks
[06:11] <pkern> But Beagle's still spitting messages out to the console... "(beagled:14230): gmime-CRITICAL **: internet_address_get_addr: assertion `ia->type != INTERNET_ADDRESS_GROUP' failed
[06:11] <pkern> "
[06:17] <slomo> pkern: probably just ignore that or tell upstream ;)
[06:28] <jsgotangco> Dapper?
[06:28] <jsgotangco> seems sabdfl slipped...
[06:30] <Mez> slipped~?
[06:33] <jsgotangco> Dapper...
[06:33] <jsgotangco> there was a discussion about menu changes and he said about dapper
[06:34] <tseng> Dapper Dingo
[06:36] <tseng> dapper dog would be lame
[06:37] <robitaille> Dapper Dan?
[06:37] <tseng> haha
[06:37] <womble> It *has* to be Dingo.  No other choice is anywhere near as good.
[06:37] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  search for dapper in the bugzilla sabdfl is not the first one to slip
[06:38] <robitaille> actually I think the first reference I saw was from mdz on IRC a couple of weeks ago
[06:39] <robitaille> http://www.playthingspast.com/hb-6548b.html could be Dapper Dan mascot
[06:43] <Nafallo> ivoks: pong
[06:47] <Mez> could be donkey ...
[06:47] <Mez> or dolphin
[06:50] <HiddenWolf> Would it be possible to update the hula packages? They are hopelessly out of date.
[06:54] <\sh> HiddenWolf: ask herzi
[06:54] <\sh> he packaged it for hoary
[06:54] <HiddenWolf> I've tried compiling it myself, but I ran into an error I don't understand.
[06:54] <HiddenWolf> If I can get it to compile, I'd be able to run debs just fine.
[07:10] <slomo> hmm... lyx needs really long to compile :(
[07:27] <slomo> and it's still compiling... omg
[07:28] <bmonty> heh...get a faster box?
[07:28] <bmonty> :)
[07:28] <slomo> hmm... athlon xp 2800+ ;)
[07:29] <bmonty> same here
[07:30] <slomo> hehe... it's compiling since almost one hour now :)
[07:30] <HiddenWolf> lynx?
[07:30] <HiddenWolf> an hour?
[07:30] <slomo> HiddenWolf: lyx, not lynx ;)
[07:31] <HiddenWolf> slomo, ah
[07:31] <bmonty> slomo: ace takes over an hour to compile as well
[07:31] <HiddenWolf> say, I pull something from svn, how do I turn it into a deb?
[07:32] <bmonty> HiddenWolf: check out the debian new maintainer's guide, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[07:32] <slomo> bmonty: i know ;) does it compile cleanly now? last time i tried it doesn't
[07:32] <bmonty> slomo: it compiles on i386 but not amd64 or powerpc
[07:33] <bmonty> there is still an open bug in debian BTS for the other architectures
[07:33] <slomo> bmonty: ok... i will not compile it on my ibook :P that would take ages ;)
[07:33] <bmonty> slomo: elmo synced it from debian yesterday
[07:34] <slomo> bmonty: i know... but it seems the version still has unmet deps for x86
[07:35] <bmonty> slomo: I tested it successfully on my breezy box
[07:35] <bmonty> has the new package made it in to the archive yet?
[07:35] <slomo> yes
[07:37] <bmonty> do you know which packages still have unmet deps?
[07:37] <slomo> bmonty: apt-cache unmet | grep ace
[07:37] <slomo> oh
[07:38] <slomo> but those are old packages
[07:38] <slomo> so ignore me ;)
[07:38] <slomo> and i probably have a solution for the ppc problem... but i don't want to try it ;)
[07:38] <slomo> seems like it misses -lstdc++ while linking
[07:40] <bmonty> take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324271
[07:41] <slomo> hmm
[07:44] <slomo> still compiling...
[07:44] <slomo> gnar
[07:48] <slomo> and failed...
[07:50] <bmonty> anyone know if pbuilder will let you run two sessions at the same time?
[07:50] <Treenaks> is there a useful mail notification thingy for evo?
[07:50] <\sh> two times pbuilder yes
[07:50] <Treenaks> not "a single beep"
[07:51] <bmonty> \sh: thanks
[07:51] <ogra> Treenaks, http://www.grawert.net/software/evonotify/index.html
[07:52] <Treenaks> ogra: is it packaged? :)
[07:52] <ogra> Treenaks, install this and ping me, the binary isnt compatible with newer gnome versions...
[07:52] <ogra> Treenaks, nope
[07:52] <Treenaks> ogra: hmm.. why not? :)
[07:52] <ogra> i plan to rewrite it in perl since a while
[07:52] <ogra> err
[07:52] <ogra> python
[07:52] <ogra> and to let it use dbus...
[07:52] <ogra> its an odd hack that uses a filter to notify you
[07:52] <ogra> but works ;)
[07:53] <Treenaks> ogra: how does it work now then?
[07:53] <Treenaks> ogra: by talking to e-d-s?
[07:53] <ogra> nope
[07:53] <ogra> it installs a filter
[07:54] <ogra> and notifys you if there is unread mail...
[07:54] <slomo> ogra: afaik something like this should be upstream soon... was a completed gnome bounty and it claims to be in gnome cvs ;)
[07:54] <ogra> slomo, yes, i know... i tried to package it, but it was always out of sync when i tried
[07:55] <slomo> ogra: this one? http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/evolution/plugins/new-mail-notify/
[07:55] <ogra> its very tied to specific dbus functions...
[07:55] <ogra> yup
[07:55] <ogra> so you can only use it with the dbus version its developed for
[07:56] <slomo> that's dbus ;)
[07:56] <ogra> same as gnome-power etc...
[07:56] <ogra> yup
[07:56] <slomo> ogra: but i looks like it should be included with evolution 2.4
[07:56] <slomo> hm
[07:56] <ogra> would be cool
[07:57] <ogra> evo has the dbus notification functionality since 2.2
[07:57] <ogra> its just the frontend thats missing
[07:57] <Treenaks> ogra: I have 2.4.0 but there's no dbus plugin anymore
[07:57] <slomo> Treenaks: apt-get install evolution-plugins
[07:58] <Treenaks> ogra: I have that
[07:58] <ogra> Treenaks, you just cant disable it, its there ;)
[07:58] <ogra> you can look with dbus-monitor and see the evo messages if new mail arrives
[07:59] <slomo> ogra: hm looks like the new-mail-notify plugin in cvs is really just a dbus message sending thing... i thought there should be some panel thing :/
[07:59] <Treenaks> oh yeah, I see signals when evo does things
[07:59] <Treenaks> org.gnome.evolution.mail.dbus.Signal(MessageReading, INBOX)
[07:59] <ogra> yup
[08:00] <Treenaks> coolness :)
[08:02] <slomo> ogra: where do you find the code for the panel applet?
[08:02] <ogra> its in the gnome cvs anywhere...
[08:02] <ogra> its a while ago that i looked
[08:03] <slomo> ok, i'll search ;)
[08:03] <\sh> siretart: ping
[08:05] <slomo> \sh: he's on vacation afaik
[08:05] <\sh> ahh
[08:07] <slomo> somewhere in austria :)
[08:07] <\sh> hehe...
[08:16] <slomo> ogra: what about this: http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/
[08:16] <slomo> ?
[08:17] <ogra> thats a standalone app
[08:17] <ogra> i dont like apps that block my pop3 server ...
[08:17] <Treenaks> ogra: that's why I use imap ;)
[08:18] <ogra> Treenaks, yes, i'm lazy
[08:18] <Treenaks> ogra: yeah, that's why I use imap :)_
[08:18] <Treenaks> ogra: no mirroring of 600 folders everywhere
[08:18] <ogra> the setup is much harder ;)
[08:18] <ogra> apt-get install qpopper and you are done with pop3 ... for imap you need infrastructure
[08:20] <bmonty> anyone know why xfonts-100dpi-transcoded isn't in breezy?
[08:20] <slomo> ogra: but that app seems to have evolution support... so maybe it just queries evolution or listens to dbus when you choose the evolution support
[08:21] <slomo> ogra: but anyway... there seems to be something better ;)
[08:21] <ogra> bmonty, because we use utf8 by default ? and the default fonts contain full charsets ?
[08:21] <ogra> slomo, sure... package it if you want ;)
[08:21] <bmonty> ogra: ok, trying to fix unmet deps and euro-support-x depends on that....guess this package might be a candiate for the morgue
[08:21] <slomo> ogra: i don't want it ;) better the evolution one when i find it
[08:22] <ogra> bmonty, most likely...
[08:23] <LaserJock> what, steps/packages do you guys use when you build a binary from a source package? Especially from Debian source packages?
[08:24] <ogra> pbuilder
[08:24] <ogra> and dpkg-buildpackage
[08:25] <LaserJock> ok, well I have been using pbuilder, but I needed to include a lib that I previously built with pbuilder
[08:25] <LaserJock> so I made my own little repo and put that in the pbuilder source
[08:25] <LaserJock> Is that sort of against the spirit of pbuilder?
[08:26] <ogra> nope...
[08:26] <ogra> but it will make your pbuilder unclean
[08:26] <LaserJock> well, that is what I was wondering about
[08:26] <ogra> we confirm that our stuff builds on the buildd...
[08:26] <slomo> ogra: it is already packaged... debian even has the newest version ;) but evo support is disabled
[08:27] <ogra> by using pbuilder
[08:28] <LaserJock> so, does buildd know about dependencies so that if you upload both libs and the prog itself it will build the lib first?
[08:28] <ogra> sure
[08:28] <LaserJock> cool
[08:28] <ogra> it might attempt to buiold the app first, but if it fails, it will retry until the lib is available
[08:29] <ogra> as long as your lib is in the build-deps you should be fine.... the rest is up to the buildds
[08:30] <ogra> slomo, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2005-April/msg00044.html
[08:31] <slomo> ogra: and that is the newest version? i already tried it and it fails ;)
[08:31] <ogra> slomo, and: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/06/msg00094.html
[08:31] <ivoks> :(
[08:31] <ivoks> slomo: it didn't work :(
[08:31] <ogra> slomo, thats what i meant with "out of sync" ;)
[08:32] <ogra> oh, http://www.warma.dk/ubuntu/em-panel-applet/
[08:32] <bddebian> Heya
[08:33] <slomo> ogra: but a patch to make it compile again is missing ;)
[08:33] <ogra> yep
[08:33] <LaserJock> Hi bddebian
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> ogra, are you maintaining gnome-screensaver?
[08:34] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, how's it coming?
[08:34] <ogra> HiddenWolf, not really, why ?
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> ogra, it's an annoying package. ;)
[08:34] <ogra> HiddenWolf, dont use it then
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> xscreensaver allows you to start typing your pass even before the interface comes up. gnome-screensaver doesn't. :P
[08:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I really don't know right now:-S
[08:35] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well, welcom to the club ;-)
[08:35] <ogra> HiddenWolf, if gnome-screensaver would be mature enough, we'd have included it ;)
[08:35] <LaserJock> I used pbuilder and built all the packages I wanted but it seemed so easy that I wonder what I screwed up :-(
[08:36] <ogra> HiddenWolf, it will be in breezy+1
[08:36] <ogra> and it will work right by then
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> ogra, no worries. :)
[08:41] <LaserJock> I'm not sure because I need to verify that a change I made in one package worked, but if it did then it is pretty cool
[08:43] <bddebian> Hmm, what to work on today..
[08:44] <LaserJock> how do you guys test packages that you have made to make sure they work without totally screwing up your computer with junk?
[08:46] <ivoks> wtf?!
[08:46] <bddebian> ivoks: ??
[08:47] <ivoks> argghhhhhh
[08:47] <ivoks> bddebian: i uploaded package without changing source, only changelog
[08:48] <ivoks> ogra: ping
[08:48] <ogra> ivoks, ?
[08:48] <bddebian> ivoks: whoops :-)
[08:48] <ivoks> ogra: is it possible to test source on some 64bit computer?
[08:49] <ivoks> ogra: this why i can't know if i'm uploading FTBS package
[08:49] <\sh> ivoks: ask Mithrandir
[08:49] <\sh> ivoks: u need a signed key
[08:49] <\sh> ivoks: and then u could get an account on ravel
[08:49] <ivoks> i have acc on ravel
[08:50] <\sh> so acc
[08:50] <ivoks> but i don't have all libs that i need
[08:50] <ivoks> and Nafallo is away :)
[08:50] <\sh> ivoks: ask Mithrandir or maswan to install the build deps
[08:50] <ivoks> ok
[08:50] <ivoks> thanx
[08:52] <ivoks> \sh: what would happen if i upload source that's same version as on that is allready uploaded?
[08:53] <ivoks> i made a mistake :(
[08:53] <\sh> ivoks: u need a new version number for upload...if not it's thrown away
[08:53] <ivoks> not big one, tough...
[08:53] <ivoks> ok
[08:53] <\sh> u will get a reject mail from kati
[08:59] <bddebian> Can't you do a -f ?
[09:01] <ivoks> i can
[09:01] <ivoks> but kati will still reject it
[09:01] <bddebian> Oh
[09:12] <bmonty> ogra: do UTF-8 fonts have support for the euro symbol by default?
[09:13] <ogra> bmonty, yup
[09:13] <ogra> they should
[09:13] <bmonty> ogra: so a default breezy install should support euro symbols on the console and in xfonts by default?
[09:14] <Mithrandir> the console doesn't have unicode_start run automatically, so no.
[09:18] <bmonty> euro-support is in unmet deps....I think it should go to the morgue, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something
[09:18] <bmonty> the test script it supplies passes for UTF-8 fonts but fails for non-UTF-8 since they aren't installed
[09:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: You up yet?
[09:28] <\sh> guys cheers
[09:29] <bddebian> Later \sh
[09:29] <\sh> hehe...well i'm holding up ogra from his hard work...
[09:29] <ogra> lol
[09:29] <\sh> oh forget...prost ogra
[09:29] <ogra> prost :)
[09:29] <slomo> \sh: did you upgrade the pyicq-t?
[09:30] <\sh> slomo: no....i will do some upgrades next week...not so easy right now
[09:30] <slomo> \sh: hmm... weird... because i get the umlauts now... just without the two dots ;)
[09:36] <\sh> slomo: explain...u enter ue and u get u?
[09:36] <slomo> \sh: someone writes an  and i get an u
[09:36] <slomo> \sh: it doesn't work the other way around
[09:40] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:40] <\sh> i will update the transports on monday....actually i can patch some stuff.
[09:56] <slomo> \sh, ogra? someone there? ;)
[09:57] <\sh> we were eating :) so now
[09:57] <slomo> i'm currently fixing lyx... and it needs a new upstream version... otherwise it FTBFS
[09:58] <slomo> i took the packaging from lyx.org which is just an updated version of the debian package
[09:58] <slomo> am i allowed to upload? ;)
[09:58] <bddebian> Nope :-)
[09:58] <bddebian> ;-P
[09:59] <\sh> if it fixes the ftbfs and doesn't break anything else..do it
[10:00] <slomo> ok... but i only know that it builds on x86... i can't guarantee for the other architectures ;) but it fixes some gcc 4 stuff
[10:01] <crimsun> give me the diff.gz, I'll build on amd64
[10:02] <slomo> ok... but be warned, it took almost 1 1/2 hours on my athlon xp 2800+ ;)
[10:02] <crimsun> plenty of amd64 machines to do the trick
[10:03] <bddebian> Oh good, send me one. ;-P
[10:03] <crimsun> send me $lots ;-P
[10:03] <bddebian> How much is lots?
[10:04] <crimsun> enough to cover expenses while I search for a new job ;-P
[10:04] <\sh> crimsun: lol
[10:04] <slomo> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/~slomo/lyx_1.3.6-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:04] <crimsun> slomo: k
[10:04] <slomo> crimsun: do you build with distcc or something?
[10:04] <bddebian> crimsun: Hmm, well I don't quite have that much probably unfortunately :-(
[10:05] <crimsun> slomo: nope, but I'm sure someone can locate a fast amd64 ;)
[10:06] <crimsun> one of them is bound to be vroom
[10:06] <slomo> crimsun: hehe ok... just tell me when it builds :) but when it doesn't build it's at least an improvement... it builds on x86 :)
[10:07] <\sh> slomo: Mithrandir is online :)
[10:07] <bmonty> bddebian: can you take a look at my fixes list on unmetdeps?  debdiffs are linked from there
[10:07] <slomo> Mithrandir: ping?
[10:07] <Mithrandir> pong
[10:07] <sedak> hello
[10:08] <bmonty> hi sedak
[10:08] <slomo> Mithrandir: can you give me a login for ravel? and tseng told me you can probably help with a dpkg problem ;)
[10:09] <bddebian> bmonty: Sure
[10:09] <Mithrandir> slomo: signed mail to maswan@acc.umu.se, request access to ravel, include SSH key and preferrred username.
[10:09] <Mithrandir> slomo: that is, to me, tfheen@debian.org, cc maswan
[10:09] <slomo> Mithrandir: i've already done that two times ;) but well... i'll do it again later :)
[10:10] <bddebian> bmonty: ecawave and icomlib?
[10:11] <bmonty> bddebian: yes
[10:12] <slomo> Mithrandir: and for the dpkg problem... when updating mono from hoary to breezy something breaks... mono-assemblies-base contained some symlinks in hoary but is replaced with a metapackage which now depends on mono-classlib-1.0 which contains the symlinks from the old mono-assemblies-base package... now when someone updates to breezy first mono-classlib-1.0 is installed and after that mono-assemblies-base is replaced with the dummy package.
[10:12] <slomo> .. and the symlinks get removed
[10:17] <Mithrandir> slomo: hmm, I'll have to check it out a little later, I'm a tad busy now
[10:18] <slomo> Mithrandir: ok, no problem :) thanks
[10:18] <bddebian> bmonty: ecawave is uploaded, check your buildlogs :-)
[10:19] <bmonty> bddebian: thanks
[10:25] <bddebian> bmonty: icomlib is also uploaded.  Good work.
[10:26] <bmonty> bddebian: thanks again...I'll have some more in a few :)
[10:27] <bddebian> Awesome.  I'm probably going to be heading out soon though.  But ajmitch should wake up soon, bug him.. ;-P
[10:28] <crimsun> or ping me, I'll be around for a bit.
[10:28] <bddebian> Fsck, why does it seem like every package I grab FTBFSs :-(
[10:28] <slomo> crimsun: already building it?
[10:28] <slomo> bddebian: the easy ones are already fixed ;)
[10:28] <bddebian> Heh
[10:29] <crimsun> slomo: yep
[10:38] <bddebian> OK gotta run, later gang
[10:38] <slomo> bye bddebian :)
[11:05] <crimsun> slomo: dpkg-deb: building package `lyx' in `../lyx_1.3.6-0ubuntu1_all.deb'.
[11:05] <slomo> crimsun: thanks :) uploading now
[11:23] <bmonty> crimsun: kaffe is good to go, https://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/kaffe_1.1.5-5ubuntu2.debdiff
[11:24] <crimsun> k
[11:32] <bmonty> anyone had problems with autoconf finding the X includes?
[11:34] <slomo> bmonty: sure...
[11:35] <slomo> bmonty: what does config.log say?
[11:36] <bmonty> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:36] <bmonty> xlibs-dev is installed
[11:37] <slomo> try libX11-dev...
[11:37] <slomo> otherwise look in config.log
[11:41] <crimsun> libx11-dev should suffice, since you're missing x11proto-core-dev
[11:41] <bmonty> k, I'll try that
[11:44] <bmonty> do I need xlibs-dev if I add libx11-dev to the build dependencies?
[11:45] <crimsun> xlibs-dev is a massive depends metapackage
[11:45] <crimsun> it depends on libx11-dev
[11:48] <mbreit> iirc the use of xlibs-dev as a dependency is depricated... (but i am not sure about that)
[11:48] <crimsun> it is deprecated
[11:49] <crimsun> packages should be using the modular b-ds
[11:51] <thesaltydog> any news concerning inclusion in breezy of sl-modem-daemon? There is a malone bug for it.
[11:52] <crimsun> there seem to be a bevy of issues with sl-modem-daemon
[11:52] <crimsun> which are you referring to?
[11:52] <thesaltydog> the one I had in Hoary...:-( on IBM Thinkpad X31
[11:54] <crimsun> ok, but I need a malone 
[11:54] <crimsun> err, malone #
[11:54] <crimsun> (not quite used to this UK keyboard yet)
[11:56] <thesaltydog> crimsun, sorry. It is #469
[11:57] <Lathiat> crimsun: heh takes a bit to get used to doesnt it :)
[11:58] <crimsun> Lathiat: I'm beginning to warm to it, though
[11:58] <Lathiat> crimsun: ditto, i quite like the " position
[11:58] <Lathiat> much more convenient
[11:58] <Lathiat> the \ however is annoying cutting into the shift key
[11:58] <Lathiat> instead of ctrl+shift+t in gnoem-terminal to open a tab i end up hitting ctrl-\ and SIGKILLing the process in the current terminal
[11:58] <crimsun> yeah, that's a killer