[04:18] <tvo> Riddell: already freed some HD space a.k.a. xrandr qt patch fixed ? ;)
[04:32] <Riddell> tvo: I uploaded a new Qt with the other patch, could you test?
[04:33] <Riddell> 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5
[04:36] <tvo> Riddell: ok, /me tests
[04:40] <Mez> Riddell, are we going to be introducing qt4 in dapper
[04:40] <Riddell> Mez: dapper?
[04:40] <Mez> breezy +1
[04:40] <Mez> (aka dapper)
[04:41] <Riddell> when did it get that name?
[04:42] <Mez> not been officially announced yet, but, canonical employees have been letting it slip
[04:42] <Riddell> groovy
[04:42] <Riddell> well qt4 will be in when something uses it
[04:42] <Mez> lol
[04:43] <tvo> Riddell: it's working :D
[04:43] <Riddell> tvo: woo!
[04:45] <tvo> btw, Riddell I set up a little SoC website, it would be great if you could proofread it (don't hurry though) --> http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc-2005-nh
[05:06] <tvo> Riddell: i think you can close 8674 now
[05:08] <Riddell> tvo: closed
[05:20] <Riddell> tvo: that SoC page looks good
[05:21] <Riddell> very useful :)
[05:21] <tvo> ok, great, thanks :)
[07:38] <Riddell> anyone want to make a .deb of kdnssd-avahi?
[08:49] <Soneras> Hi Riddel, got a second?
[08:49] <Soneras> Just wanted to ask about the new simplified Konqueror profile. I wrote on the feedback wiki that I'd hope no functionality would be removed from Konqueror completely. That's mostly because to me it's an important app. I guess though that Kubuntu will focus more on people who would normally not use some of the features Konqui has, so things will be gone next release. Anyway I just wanted to ask if it will be possible to get everything back
[08:51] <Soneras> related to that: is it still ok to suggest some changes to the simplified profile or is it completed? For example it's not possible to enable the sidepanel graphically (button or context item) at the moment, which is needed when a file:/ url is opened in the running Web-Konqueror isntance (which has no sidebar).
[08:54] <Riddell> Soneras: why is the sidepanel needed
[08:54] <Riddell> JRe: fancy making a .deb of kdnssd-avahi?
[08:58] <Soneras> Riddell: depends on what yo uwant to do. There's a lot of functionality in the side panel. audiocd:/, storage media, full root folder and what not. If you'd not know how to get there manually you'd always have to open an external link (system-menu for example), when sidepanel is not open.
[08:59] <NPR_Mike> i'm  trying to install my pvr 250 with ivtv no luck so far 
[09:00] <NPR_Mike> can anyone help ?
[09:01] <Riddell> Soneras: what's needed is if konqueror knew  its instance was for file management or web browsing
[09:02] <Soneras> would there always be the side panel in the file management instance?
[09:03] <Riddell> yeah, but the side panel has usability issues too that need to be sorted out
[09:03] <Riddell> I wish konqueror had an active maintainer
[09:03] <JRe> Riddell: sorry the computer on which i had installed kubuntu is broken
[09:03] <Soneras> yes that's very true (sidepanel issues)
[09:04] <JRe> Riddell: i'll have an AMD64 wednesday so i'll be able to restart packaging :)
[09:04] <Tm_T> :o
[09:05] <Soneras> Riddell: Maybe you could have the patch that made the sidepanel more like the one seen in KPDF, I think it sorted out some issues.
[09:06] <Soneras> I think some people will want the sidepanel in webbrowsing mode as well (bookmarks or so), so mostly I think it should be toggleable somehere (besides F9)
[09:08] <Riddell> the widget used in kpdf (and qtdesigner) is horrible, it takes up too much room when you add panels
[09:11] <Soneras> hmm, kind of depends on how many panels there should be. I don't think more than 4-5 would be good anyway - konqui has too many at the moment. some could be combined.
[09:21] <Soneras> Riddell: Can you say already if it will be possible to have a default Konqui in breezy final?
[09:25] <Riddell> Soneras: how do you mean a default konqi?
[09:26] <Soneras> Riddell: Konqueror with a non-simple profile. It seems like there won't be a way to open another profile with the simple profile. So once this works reliably it seems to me I couldn't open another (default) profile.
[09:29] <Riddell> Soneras: well you'd have to do it on the command line
[09:30] <Riddell> Soneras: but do people really use Konqueror's profiles?
[09:30] <Tm_T> I think no
[09:31] <Soneras> Riddell: not very often no. But some make their own adjustments (have a terminal emulator, have no sidepanel, have other toolbar buttons) and save those in a profile.
[09:32] <Soneras> Riddell: but mostly (for me) it would be to have some of the things back not available in simple - not to switch back and forth often
[09:34] <Riddell> so I should add back Settings -> Save View Profile
[09:35] <Riddell> that Settings menu really is criminal, all those Configure entries
[09:36] <Soneras> Riddell: Could you make it so that the whole profile stuff is in a sub menu? I abolutely agree that most menus are overcrowded...
[09:40] <Riddell> oh, it already has Save View Profile
[09:41] <Soneras> yep. just no open profiles. and the management is gone - don't know what exactly's done there (don't have changed a profile myself)
[09:41] <Riddell> but if nobody uses profiles except to change the default one that's all that is needed
[09:44] <Soneras> good point, but: when the default is simple there's a lot missing and people can't (just for example) enable the terminal emulator to save it in their own profile
[09:46] <Soneras> something else to consider is that there needs to be one profile for file management and a differet one for webbrowsing, so that people can change both independent of each other.
[10:36] <Soneras> gotta go off for today, bye