[12:03] <Blissex> filloy: there are locale-dependent packages for KDE, KOffice and KDM (IIRC) and you should install them.
[12:04] <Blissex> filloy: they will have names like 'kde-i18n-....', 'koffice-i18n-...' and 'kdm-i18-...' (not sure about the kdm ones)
[12:05] <filloy> blissex, maybe this is just to complicated to be my problem :P what may have caused this ?
[12:05] <Blissex> filloy: obviously you should get the 'en-US', 'es-ES' and 'es_MX' ones of those...
[12:05] <Blissex> filloy: if your system were set for locale 'C' or 'POSIX' or 'en_US' everything would be OK. But since you have set it part one way and part another...
[12:06] <filloy> blissex, ok i found the kde component for spanish :P ill install it...in a sec..
[12:06] <Blissex> filloy: the proper thing to do is to ensure that _everything_ (system locales, X locale, KDE locale, X keyboard type, KDE keyboard type, ... are all of the same type).
[12:06] <Blissex> filloy: which APT frontend are you using?
[12:07] <filloy> blissex ok
[12:07] <filloy> blissex  APT ? 
[12:07] <Blissex> filloy: package manager...
[12:07] <filloy> blissex uhmm, the aplicationg for getting files ? Synaptic
[12:08] <Blissex> filloy: OK... BTW, I suspect that if there are mexica packages they will be like 'i18n-mx'
[12:08] <Blissex> filloy: I cant double check on my system because I am doing some package installs right now and they lock the database.
[12:08] <filloy> blissex, uhmm, there isnt....only es :(
[12:09] <Blissex> filloy: it probably has castillan for various contries...
[12:09] <filloy> blissex ok, found the kde es, and the koffice, no luck with kdm
[12:10] <Blissex> filloy: I was not sure about KDM, I seem to remember once it has its own locales, but they now may be part of the KDE ones.
[12:10] <filloy> blissex maybe just part of kde. ok, 1 min and they are ready
[12:10] <Blissex> filloy: next thing, make sure you have 'xkeycaps' installed and run it.
[12:11] <filloy> blissex one sec....
[12:12] <filloy> blissex ok, now im installing xkeycaps...
[12:12] <Blissex> filloy: BTW, have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpanishDocumentation  and its links?
[12:13] <filloy> never...
[12:13] <Blissex> filloy: it may be helpful...
[12:13] <filloy> blissex but i had hoary yesterday and it worked great with spanish keyboard :P maybe its something strange here
[12:13] <Blissex> filloy: you are now using Breezy?
[12:14] <filloy> blissex, yes
[12:14] <Blissex> !breezy
[12:14] <ubotu> I guess breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[12:14] <Blissex> filloy: monster. You are tyring to corrupt me.
[12:14] <filloy> blissex ah ?
[12:14] <Blissex> filloy: besides you should have configured Hoary with the spanish locales too.
[12:15] <filloy> blissex uhmmm, no, it worked right off with english locales, and spanish keyboard...
[12:15] <Blissex> filloy: ah yes, but you should have gotten the spanuish/mexica locales too.
[12:16] <filloy> blissex maybe :) darn, so its cuz breezy ?
[12:16] <Blissex> filloy: however, now there is the strong possibility that there is something broken, not that there is an incomplete configuration.
[12:16] <Blissex> filloy: yes.
[12:20] <filloy> darn, ok, then, when october comes, ill try to update to stable :P and see what comes up :P
[12:20] <filloy> for now, ill try to get ndiswrapper to work, thing that ive been trying to do for the past 6 hours
[12:21] <filloy> anyone here uses ndiswrapper with bcmwl5(a) ?
[12:22] <Blissex> filloy: dont use ndiswrapper...
[12:22] <filloy> blissex what alternative do i have ?
[12:22] <Blissex> filloy: fix it here and now.
[12:22] <filloy> blissex uhmm ?
[12:22] <Blissex> filloy: do a proper mexica KUbuntu setup.
[12:22] <Blissex> filloy: assuming it is not a bug. Even with Breezy probably it is not a bug.
[12:23] <Blissex> filloy: so have you started 'xkeycaps'?
[12:23] <filloy> blissex ahh, talking about the lenguage :P....ok, ill do it here...
[12:23] <filloy> blissex i cant start xkeycaps
[12:23] <delltony> Blissex: curious you said don't use ndiswrapper for wireless lan what else is there cause id be curious on this too
[12:23] <Blissex> filloy: as to WiFi alternatives, http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxWiFi.html and the idea is to get a card that is supported by an open source native driver.
[12:24] <Blissex> filloy: and why can't you start 'xkeycaps'?
[12:24] <filloy> blissex ahhh, everybody told me that, but i wont spend money :P .....ok, now, xkeycaps says Erorr: Cant open display
[12:24] <Blissex> filloy: you also got problems with a proper X setup. In a proper X setup the 'DISPLAY' env variable is set and exported.
[12:25] <Blissex> filloy: try 'xkeycaps -display :0'
[12:25] <filloy> blissex cant open display :o
[12:26] <Blissex> filloy: with zero, not an "o".
[12:26] <filloy> blissex :P ha, told you im noob, dont get mad at me :)
[12:26] <Blissex> :-)
[12:26] <filloy> blissex :s the same....
[12:27] <Blissex> filloy: thats almost impossible...
[12:27] <filloy> Xlib: conection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:27] <filloy> xlib no protocol specified
[12:27] <filloy> error cant open display :0
[12:27] <Blissex> filloy: "refused" is not the same.
[12:27] <Blissex> filloy: start 'xkeycaps' in a Konsole not as 'root'.
[12:28] <filloy> blissex :P that was it ajjaja now i am at it :)
[12:28] <filloy> blissex ok, now ive selected my keyboad with the right lang
[12:28] <Blissex> filloy: 'xkeycaps' as you can see draws a picture of the kyeboard, select one that looks closest to the one you got.
[12:29] <Blissex> filloy: it is probably a 105 keys one, but not sure for Mexico.
[12:29] <filloy> blissex yes, microsoft (Sorry :() 105 keys
[12:30] <Blissex> filloy: 105 keys, and spanish layout?
[12:30] <filloy> blissex yes
[12:30] <filloy> blissex should i put write output ?
[12:30] <Blissex> filloy: what does that mean?
[12:31] <Blissex> filloy: ah, the button, no pointless.
[12:31] <filloy> in xkeycaps theres an option saying Write Output, which i think stablishes the lang..
[12:31] <filloy> blissex ok...:p
[12:31] <Blissex> filloy: no, it does not anything to the language.
[12:31] <filloy> blissex, ok, ive selected the keyboard and lang...
[12:32] <Blissex> filloy: the only thing is to make sure that "PC 105 key, wide Delete, tall Enter, XFree86; Spanish" looks exactly like the kyeboard you have.
[12:32] <filloy> blissex ok, not exactly, but VERY close
[12:32] <Blissex> filloy: it must look _exactly_ the same. Key for key.
[12:32] <filloy> blissex, ok, then let me find it..
[12:32] <Blissex> filloy: if it does not look exactly the same, select another keyboard type.
[12:33] <Blissex> filloy: the whole purpose here is to make sure that you know which exact keyboard type you have got, because the _exact_ keyboard type has to go in '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' and the KDE regionalization stuff.
[12:33] <filloy> blissex ok...
[12:34] <Blissex> filloy: it may be a 102 key, wide delete, tall enter.
[12:35] <filloy> blissex nope, the strange thing is that the Microsoft Keyboard box says its 105 key...and here the keys dosnt match...
[12:36] <Blissex> filloy: in what way don't they match?
[12:37] <Blissex> filloy: give an example or two of mismatch
[12:37] <filloy> blissex ok, i have  [ and{ in one key, and in the screen it says i should hav { ' and "
[12:37] <Blissex> filloy: thats a big mismatch.
[12:38] <filloy> blissex []  are in other keys
[12:38] <filloy> blissex, i have like 5 exaples of that...
[12:39] <filloy> blissex what should i do ?
[12:40] <Blissex> filloy: does the keyboard have keys with obviously spanish characters, like and ?
[12:41] <filloy> blissex yes
[12:41] <Blissex> filloy: where? What's on the same key as those characters?
[12:41] <filloy> blissex yes...
[12:41] <Blissex> filloy: where? What's on the same key as those characters?
[12:42] <Blissex> filloy: whats on the same key as the  character?
[12:42] <Blissex> filloy: what's on the same key as the  character?
[12:42] <filloy> blissex they match (i cnat type them cuz im in my laptop, the desktop is the one in spanish)
[12:42] <filloy> blissex those characters match
[12:42] <Blissex> filloy: dont type them, describe them./
[12:43] <Blissex> filloy: as in: the inverted questions mark key also has the 'i' symcol and is next to the 'Retroceso' key
[12:43] <filloy> Blissex: inverse ? is in the same place, the n with the stick right up is in the same place.........
[12:44] <Blissex> filloy: or the 'esimo' key also has the 'a underscore' key and is the top left one.
[12:44] <Blissex> the same place as what?
[12:44] <filloy> Blissex: in my keboard and in the xkeycaps
[12:44] <Blissex> filloy: I am wasting my time.
[12:45] <filloy> Blissex: uhmm, i think im not fully understanding you...
[12:45] <Blissex> filloy: I did not ask you to tell me whether they are the same in your keyboard and keycaps.
[12:45] <Blissex> I asked you MANY TIMES to tell me what other symbols are on the same key as those two on the keyboard.
[12:45] <delltony> Blissex: so basically to get hotpluggin to work with my wifi all i gotta do is add hotplug wlan0 to the network/interfaces file?
[12:46] <filloy> Blissex: ok, now i understood :)..... ok in the same key as ? its the inverted / and ' in the same key as the inverted ? is a inverted !
[12:47] <arentie> Hi everyone, I have my Linksys wifi card installed via ndiswrapper, but it doesn't stay activated...could someone help me?
[12:47] <Blissex> filloy: so, the key that has the inverted "?" has the inverted "!" and the key that has the "" has the "\"?
[12:48] <arentie> Hi everyone, I have my Linksys wifi card installed via ndiswrapper, but it doesn't stay activated...could someone help me?
[12:49] <filloy> Blissex: ok, inverted ? has inverted !
[12:49] <Blissex> filloy: also, just to make sure, has the key with the  (cedilla c) got the "}" ?
[12:49] <arentie> I had my Linksys Wifi card working in Ubuntu, but I wanted KDE
[12:49] <filloy> Blissex: i dont have cedilla c
[12:50] <filloy> Blissex: in the keyboard....
[12:51] <DewDude> so, i'm running breezy preview now
[12:51] <Blissex> !breezy
[12:51] <ubotu> breezy is probably the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[12:51] <DewDude> seems to be running fine
[12:51] <DewDude> although my kmenu still says kubuntu 5.4
[12:52] <Blissex> filloy: please look at the bottom of the keyboard and tell me the exact model number that is probably printed there?
[12:53] <filloy> Blissex: ok, my keyboard is a Microsoft Wireless Comfort Keyboard 1.0A model 1027
[12:54] <locomorto> I'm on breezy atm (fresh kubuntu preview install, with a few minor enhancements to kde and my sources.list): I would also like to install amarok 1.3.1
[12:54] <locomorto> now
[12:55] <locomorto> It is my understanding that i need taglib 1.4 to run >1.3, and my question is how would I get that?
[12:55] <locomorto> I did try to use the ones in the forum for hoary, but they wont install
[12:55] <Blissex> filloy: looking it up...
[12:56] <filloy> Blissex: ok
[12:56] <locomorto> So, are there any .debs for libtag?
[12:56] <locomorto> or do i have to compile it myself?
[12:57] <Blissex> filloy: I think that there should be an additional code that is specific to the language version. 
[12:58] <filloy> Blissex: want me to look it up in the internet ?
[12:59] <Blissex> filloy: I am doing that, but it should be printed on the keyboard. Each different keyboard layout has a different part number.
[12:59] <DewDude> locomorto: tablib 1.4 won't work with amarok 1.3.1? did you try
[12:59] <locomorto> I can't install it
[01:00] <filloy> Blissex: there isnt anything, just that: Model: 1027
[01:00] <locomorto> ibtag1c2 conflicts with libtag1" is the error i get
[01:00] <Blissex> http://people.linux.org.tw/~chihchun/CDDP/www/international/Spanish might be useful BTW
[01:00] <DewDude> well
[01:00] <DewDude> my amarok works
[01:00] <locomorto> libtag1 is the one im trying to install
[01:00] <DewDude> then again, i did a hoary install and dist-upgrade
[01:01] <locomorto> I had it working under hoary so it kinda feels odd not to have it :(
[01:01] <locomorto> I liked the podcast thingy
[01:01] <DewDude> well
[01:01] <DewDude> all i have is libtag1c2 installed
[01:02] <DewDude> i also only have amarok 1.2.4
[01:03] <locomorto> I have 1.2.4 as well
[01:03] <locomorto> and its not in the repos (1.3 or 1.3.1)
[01:03] <DewDude> 1.3.1 of libtag?
[01:03] <filloy> Blissex: grrrr, cant find it.....maybe in the box theres a web page...
[01:04] <Blissex> filloy: still looking
[01:04] <DewDude> if you've got libtag1c2 installed..you don't need libtag1
[01:04] <Blissex> filloy: if you have the box there is almost certainly a part number
[01:05] <filloy> Blissex: is Serial Number usefull ?
[01:05] <Blissex> filloy: no, part number
[01:05] <DewDude> FCC ID?
[01:05] <DewDude> you can sometimes look products up based on thier FCC ID
[01:05] <arentie> Has anyone had trouble activating their wlan0?
[01:05] <filloy> Blissex: ok, found it x800135-003
[01:06] <Blissex> it is a wireless keybaord so probably it has some FCC ID, but probably not useful.
[01:06] <DewDude> no
[01:06] <Blissex> filloy: OK, let's have a look for the part number.
[01:06] <DewDude> everything has an FCC ID
[01:06] <DewDude> you can get SOME information from it
[01:06] <filloy> DewDude, yep, here it is :)
[01:07] <DewDude> what is it?
[01:07] <filloy> dewdude uhmm, no info from it :S not even the part numer, not even the serial...
[01:07] <filloy> dewdude c3k1027
[01:07] <DewDude> that's the FCC ID?
[01:07] <DewDude> that looks...small
[01:07] <filloy> FCC ID
[01:08] <filloy> dewdude right up the fcc id theres a sign which says Canada 210, dont know what it means :S
[01:08] <DewDude> well
[01:08] <DewDude> it's assigned to microsoft
[01:08] <DewDude> it is a valid FCCID number
[01:09] <DewDude> 27 mh
[01:09] <DewDude> mhz
[01:09] <filloy> dewdude ? found anything ?
[01:10] <DewDude> it's made by microsoft
[01:10] <DewDude> unfortinually all the stuff is sealed
[01:10] <DewDude> so i can't access additional info
[01:10] <filloy> dewdude darn :(
[01:10] <DewDude> but they got block diagrams, schematics, users manuals, photos
[01:10] <DewDude> i'm just not getting a model number
[01:11] <Blissex> DewDude: we got the model number, but it draw a blank in Google.
[01:12] <filloy> cant find anything :S
[01:12] <DewDude> well
[01:12] <DewDude> i told you, it's made by microsoft
[01:12] <DewDude> that's who owns the FCC license
[01:12] <filloy> :P
[01:12] <DewDude> c3k = microsoft
[01:12] <DewDude> 1027 = product ID
[01:12] <Blissex> filloy: is the keyboard part of a wireless set?
[01:13] <Blissex> filloy: like this one? http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=039
[01:13] <filloy> Blissex x80016-005 
[01:14] <Blissex> filloy: or is it this one? http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=040
[01:14] <filloy> Blissex its the Wireless Optical Desktop Comfort Edition
[01:14] <filloy> Blissex thats the name of the set...
[01:15] <DewDude> hold on
[01:15] <DewDude> i'm getting a PDF of the users manyual
[01:16] <filloy> blissex http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=057
[01:16] <filloy> blissex here it is
[01:17] <Blissex> filloy: I am also doing a search of '"Wireless Optical Desktop Comfort Edition" teclado' to see if I get a photo of the spanish edition too
[01:17] <Blissex> http://www.microsoft.com/spain/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/systemrequirements.aspx?pid=028
[01:18] <filloy> blissex yep, that is
[01:18] <Blissex> http://compras.univision.com/products/fullsize/256/3217256.jpg
[01:18] <hater2win> anybody know the repo for ktorrent?
[01:19] <filloy> blissex, yep that is...
[01:19] <DewDude> hey nalioth
[01:19] <Blissex> is that the one (large photo)?
[01:19] <filloy> Blissex, you found it :)
[01:20] <Blissex> filloy: has your got a thin 'Enter' too?
[01:21] <Blissex> filloy: on your keyboard which two key are between the 'Enter' and the 'Backspace' Keys?
[01:22] <filloy> Blissex wait, the enter is the only key which isnt the same, let me take a look
[01:22] <filloy> blissex, it has the large enter
[01:22] <Blissex> filloy: so it is not really the same...
[01:22] <hater2win> anybody know how to run ktorrent? I installed a deb package of it but cant figure out how to run it
[01:23] <filloy> blissex nope, not the same, took a closer look and some keys are in other locations..
[01:23] <filloy> want me to take a photo of it and send it or something ?
[01:25] <hater2win> anybody know how to fix this:           http://hater2win.pastebin.com/360153
[01:26] <Blissex> filloy: uhm....
[01:27] <Blissex> filloy: you know you could describe it, but you seem to have some difficulty doing so...
[01:27] <_chavo> hater2win: install pcre
[01:27] <filloy> Blissex, ok, ill try it again..
[01:28] <Blissex> filloy: what matters is the block of keys to the right next to the 'Retroceso' and 'Intro' keys
[01:28] <hater2win> _chavo: pcre? sudo apt-get install pcre?
[01:28] <filloy> blissex next to the backspace key, theres a key which has an inverted ! and a inverted ?
[01:28] <Blissex> filloy: good...
[01:28] <_chavo> try libpcre
[01:28] <Blissex> filloy: whats the key to the right of the "P" key?
[01:29] <gdh> and tonight on 'What's My Keyboard?', our contestant is Blissex .... and the star prize is *64* :)
[01:29] <filloy> blissex next to the p there a key who has ' and with shift you get two dots ( . . ) but upper the letter.
[01:29] <hater2win> _chavo: no pkg coming up
[01:30] <_chavo> hater2win: it's libpcre3
[01:30] <filloy> gdh fun :) poor ol Blissex has helped me for more than a day :P and i dont seem to be helping him to help me :P
[01:30] <gdh> hater2win: in this situation, you use apt-cache search to find packages like that na,e
[01:30] <gdh> heh in this case yes libpcre3
[01:31] <hater2win> gdh: ty for suggestion
[01:31] <Blissex> filloy: what does two dots ( . . ) but upper the letter mean?
[01:31] <hater2win> it says i already have newest version
[01:32] <gdh> umlaut?
[01:32] <filloy> Blissex, lenguage stuff, like upper the u  we can put two dots, one over each stick ;)
[01:32] <Blissex> filloy: ohi ohi thats a weird keyboard...
[01:33] <Blissex> filloy: what's to the right of the "L" key?
[01:33] <filloy> blissex heehhe, i know, the weird thins is the lenguage :P here its called dieresis, but its not used anymore....
[01:33] <filloy> blissex next to the L i have an N with a stick 
[01:33] <_chavo> hater2win: did you install ktorrent from source or deb
[01:33] <gdh> Blissex: Portuguse is popular in Brazil so umlauts might be present .. I know there are no umlauts in Spanish. 
[01:34] <gdh> sorry, meant 'south america' rather than brazil
[01:34] <hater2win> _chavo: downloaded an rpm (suse) and did sudo alien ktorr_file.rpm
[01:34] <_chavo> hater2win: also, did you try qtorrent?
[01:34] <Blissex> gdh: I am looking at keyboard layouts in 'xkeycaps' and there are spanish layouts with dieresis, so yes its probably for LA, but there is none that resembles his keyboard.
[01:34] <_chavo> hater2win: looks like maybe it was built against a diff version of pcre
[01:35] <gdh> cool :)
[01:35] <hater2win> _chavo:  hmmk, ill remove
[01:35] <_chavo> hater2win: qtorrent is in therepos
[01:35] <Blissex> filloy: and to the right of the L and the N with a stick?
[01:35] <hater2win> _chavo: is it better than ktorr?
[01:35] <_chavo> I haven't trie ktorrent
[01:36] <filloy> Blissex ok, theres the L, then the , then [ with { and < but looking up, not to the left.
[01:36] <Blissex> filloy: wait....
[01:36] <Firetech> why doesn't konqueror suggest an application to open files (links) with any more? It did some days ago, but it suddenly has stopped, and just gives me an "open" button with whch I have to choose the application myself... the associations thingie in the configuration is correct...
[01:40] <Blissex> filloy: the keyboards whose layout is know to Xorg are those listed here: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
[01:41] <Blissex> filloy: there are a few Microsoft variants listed there, you need to find out which one is closest to the keyboard you have and then put the corresponding code in '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:41] <filloy> Blissex, ok ill try it
[01:41] <Blissex> filloy: I have found out that KDE has a long list of keyboard code types, so it recognizes it automatically. But not X, and thus probably not KDM.
[01:42] <Blissex> filloy: it is probably either the "microsoftoffice Microsoft Office Keyboard" or the "Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard"
[01:42] <filloy> Blissex sound more familiar the Wireless Multimedia Keyboard
[01:43] <filloy> Blissex btw, i dont have anything under /x11/xkb/rules/ <nothing here>
[01:43] <Blissex> filloy: thats extremely wrong.
[01:44] <Blissex> filloy: have you got anything under "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/" (note the capitalization)
[01:44] <filloy> Blissex :S uhmm, wait a sec, think i do :P
[01:44] <filloy> Blissex, ok, now im in that file :P sorry
[01:45] <filloy> Blissex microsoftmult is the code.
[01:45] <filloy> Blissex, so it has to be attached to xorg.conf
[01:46] <filloy> Blissex in Idintifier ?
[01:46] <hussam> Riddell: I think k3b 0.12.4 . Is there anyway it can make it to breezy or is it only bug fixes from now on?
[01:47] <Blissex> filloy: 
[01:47] <filloy> Blissex ?
[01:48] <hater2win> _chavo: i get nothing but tracker errors in qtorrent =.
[01:48] <hater2win> =/*
[01:48] <Blissex> filloy: yhaving some system problems here, wait
[01:51] <filloy> Blissex brb
[01:53] <Blissex> filloy: bah!
[01:53] <filloy> Blissex im back
[01:54] <arentie> Hi everyone...Does anyone know how I activate my wlan0?
[01:54] <hater2win> where do you guys install things to? (when you compile them)?
[01:54] <filloy> Blissex, sorry, thought you would spend more time :P ...
[01:54] <arentie> My wlan0 worked in Ubuntu but not kubunt
[01:54] <Blissex> hater2win: they must be installed to '/usr/local'
[01:55] <hater2win> ah i see
[01:55] <Blissex> filloy: in the 'Keyboard' section
[01:55] <filloy> Blissex ok, it says ImputDevice, idintifier Generic Keyboard
[01:56] <Blissex> filloy: and it is not a generic keyboard...
[01:56] <filloy> Blissex i should put  microsoftmult
[01:56] <Blissex> filloy: which options have you got?
[01:56] <filloy> microsoftmult
[01:56] <arentie> Blissex, my wlan0  does not stay activated nor do I receive an IP address?
[01:56] <Blissex> filloy: "XkbGeometry" or "Xkbmodel"
[01:57] <filloy> Blissex Xkbmodel
[01:57] <Blissex> filloy: what is the "XkbLayout"? It should be "es"
[01:57] <filloy> Blissex it says la, Latin America, ill change it to es
[01:58] <Blissex> filloy: "la" may be right.
[01:58] <Blissex> filloy: wait again.
[01:58] <Blissex> filloy: "la" is right probably.
[01:59] <filloy> Blissex ok, ill leave it there
[01:59] <Blissex> filloy: Apart from "XkbModel" and "XkbLayout", any other "Xkb" options?
[02:00] <filloy> Blissex XkbRules is set to xorg, xkbmodel is set to pc105 and xkblayout is se to la. Driver is set to kbd
[02:01] <Blissex> filloy: just change then the "XkbModel" to one of the microsoft ones, you may be lucky.
[02:02] <filloy> Blissex ill change it to microsoftmulti :) 
[02:02] <Blissex> filloy: sounds OK....
[02:02] <filloy> Blissex, ok, then, shall i try rebooting ?
[02:02] <Blissex> filloy: no need to reboot.
[02:03] <filloy> blissex, ok, just went out to the kdm to see if its ok
[02:03] <Blissex> filloy: just logout, and before logging in, press CTRL-ALT-BACKSAPCE
[02:03] <Blissex> filloy: that will restart X and restart KDM too.
[02:03] <filloy> Blissex ok, did that...starting kdm again
[02:03] <filloy> Blissex still having the Square stuff
[02:04] <Blissex> filloy: try to see if the login works though.
[02:04] <filloy> Blissex didnt work
[02:04] <arentie> Does anyone here know how a can maintain the activation of my wlan0
[02:04] <arentie> ?
[02:05] <Blissex> arentie: there are several ways. Consider reading 'man 5 interfaces' for one. There are many Debian wireless HOWTOs.
[02:05] <Blissex> filloy: that leaves me perplexed.
[02:05] <Blissex> filloy: because it is very unlikely that the keyboard type now is wrong.
[02:06] <filloy> Blissex me too :P maybe illl just re-install kubuntu, i dont have anything installed.....and no files bla bla
[02:06] <filloy> Blissex yep, its strange, maybe with the Keyboard and lenguage detect of the install cd this should work
[02:06] <Blissex> filloy: did you check what is under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/ ?
[02:06] <arentie> Blissex: thanks for the info...where do I find 'man 5 interfaces' for one?
[02:06] <filloy> Blissex yes, and found that microsoftmulti was the option
[02:06] <Blissex> arentie: that's a command line.
[02:07] <Blissex> filloy: so there are files under there...
[02:07] <filloy> Blissex yes, sorry :P
[02:07] <Blissex> filloy: can you paste the contents of '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' to some place like pasteBin.com?
[02:08] <filloy> Blissex yes, wait a sec
[02:08] <arentie> Blissex: sorry I'm a newbie...I can't keep my Linksys WMP54G activated for some strange reason...will this give me some sort of progress?
[02:09] <Blissex> arentie: no idea what you mean by activated, that will make the configuration persistent.
[02:09] <arentie> Blissex: I had my wlan0 working in ubuntu, but I can't seem to get it working in Kubuntu
[02:09] <Blissex> arentie: and ''does not work'' is not that clear.
[02:10] <arentie> Blissex: What I mean is that I go to Kcontrol and go to networking, I click on wlan0, select activate, and it immediately deactivates
[02:10] <filloy> Blissex www.pastebin.com/360207
[02:10] <filloy> Blissex one hell of a paste :|:P
[02:11] <Blissex> arentie: if you are using 'ndiswrapper', thats buggy.
[02:11] <arentie> Blissex:  My means of internet connection is via a wireless bridge through my eth0
[02:11] <Blissex> arentie: try to extract the card and put it back.
[02:11] <Blissex> arentie: wait a second -- you have configured a wireless _bridge_?
[02:12] <DewDude> they make wireless "bridges" which is a piece of hardware tha goes from wifi to wired
[02:12] <DewDude> i'm not sure what configuration is involved with those
[02:13] <arentie> Blissex:  Yes, I did an apt-get install linux-686; then, I installed ndiswrapper via kynaptic; then, I rebooted and my card was recognized, but when I try to activate it wlan0 immdieatley deactivates
[02:14] <Blissex> DewDude: they are diabolical stuff. But <arentie> seems to say that he is trying to bridge between 'eth0' and 'wlan0'...
[02:14] <DewDude> oh
[02:14] <Blissex> arentie: anything can happen with 'ndiswrapper', and did you download and configure the drivers for your card too?
[02:15] <Blissex> filloy: that says it is getting 'microsoftmulti' all right. Try the other Microsoft keyboard types...
[02:15] <arentie> Blissex: Yes, I successfully configured my drivers via ndiswrapper...I went throught the whole protocol
[02:15] <Blissex> arentie: have you looked at 'dmesg | tail 50 | less' to see if there is any obvious error message?
[02:16] <arentie> Blissex:  When I say that I'm using a wireless bridge, I have a linksys wireless bridge, which basically connects a non-wifi network card to a wireless network...it pretty cool for 150 bucks and not needing to install drivers
[02:17] <Blissex> arentie: thats actually a router... and it is irrelevant to your problem, which is with your card. Or is it?
[02:17] <DewDude> .........
[02:17] <DewDude> why are you installing wireless lan drivers then
[02:17] <DewDude> that's a seperate piece of hardware
[02:17] <DewDude> it shouldn't have any communication with the PC
[02:17] <arentie> Blissex:  Without my wireless bridge, I would be "dead in the water" as far as internet.  I have a wireless card also on my PC, but it won't stay activated
[02:18] <Blissex> arentie: have you looked at 'dmesg | tail 50 | less' to see if there is any obvious error message?
[02:18] <arentie> Blissex:  I have a eth0 and a wlan0.  My eth0 is fine, but my wlan0 does not stay activated when I attempt to activate it.
[02:19] <Blissex> arentie: look at the last entry in http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/53.html it may be relevant
[02:19] <arentie> Blissex: How do I look at: 'dmesg | tail 50 | less'?
[02:19] <Blissex> arentie: execute than in a terminal window
[02:20] <Blissex> arentie: if you dont know much your way around the system, use a natively supported card. Using 'ndiswrapper' often requires a lot of system knowledge,
[02:20] <filloy> Blissex ok, found something, it says microsoftmult, not microsoftmulti, maybe changin it ?
[02:20] <Blissex> filloy: yes, and try the other types too.
[02:21] <arentie> Blissex: I read the link that you sent, but I am almost convinced that I am using the drivers that came with the CD
[02:21] <Blissex> arentie: then you may be unlucky.
[02:22] <arentie> Blissex: I got my wlan0 to work in Ubuntu, but I can't in Kubuntu
[02:22] <Blissex> arentie: they are exactly the same code.
[02:22] <arentie> Blissex: GNOME blows...KDE rules
[02:22] <filloy> Blissex ok, i cant type anything
[02:22] <Blissex> filloy: what does that mean?
[02:22] <filloy> Blissex...the same thing with the Boxes :S
[02:23] <Blissex> filloy: change the keyboard type again...
[02:23] <ilba7r> arentie explain what do yoiu mean by not working
[02:23] <arentie> Blissex:  just for "shits and giggles"...what's a natively supported card?
[02:23] <Blissex> filloy: remember to CTRL_ALT-BACKSPACE before logging in.
[02:23] <filloy> Blissex yep, doing that
[02:23] <dreamwave> just tried out the kubuntu breezy live preview.  i had trouble setting up the wireless.  I'm using the ubuntu preview right now.  can anyone help me with this?
[02:23] <Blissex> arentie: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxWiFi.html
[02:25] <Blissex> arentie: also look at this vert bizarre but informative site: http://www.linux-wireless.org/Install-HOWTO/LinkSys.WMP54G/
[02:26] <filloy> Blissex KDM isnt starting now, i canceled the last time, and now it just stays in verbose log in
[02:26] <Blissex> filloy: try CTRl-ALT-F7
[02:27] <arentie> ilba: to explain what I mean by not working:  I did an apt-get install linux-686 on my PC, next I installed ndiswrapper via Kynaptic, I rebooted, I saw the kernel load the ndiswrapper successfully, I attempted to activate my wlan0 via Kcontrol, but it immediately deactivates
[02:27] <Blissex> filloy: or perhaps the X server is not astarting because of wrongly typed keyboard type.
[02:27] <filloy> Blissex ok, ill try changing
[02:28] <Blissex> arentie: also look here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_21145473.html
[02:29] <filloy> Blissex aaarrrgghhhh !!!......rebooted, that wasnt the problem....dont know what it is, but ill restart
[02:29] <ilba7r> arentie what nidswrapper ver you are using? and how come it worked on gnome and not kde ? I have made mine work on both using ndiswrapper 1.2 
[02:29] <ilba7r> by the way there is kwifi for kubuntu
[02:30] <filloy> ilba7r are you using driver bcmwl5a ? or just bcmwl5 ?
[02:30] <filloy> Blissex i found an error while booting the system, it just said failed, didnt stop the system to log....it was some font stuff....
[02:30] <ilba7r> filloy bcmwl5
[02:31] <filloy> Blissex couldnt read it...
[02:31] <filloy> ilba7r i cant use it, it says invalid driver :(
[02:31] <Blissex> filloy: thats weird... The font stuff should not be fatal.
[02:31] <arentie> ilba7r:  I am using ndisrwrapper-utils 0.12+1.0rc2-1
[02:31] <ilba7r> filloy do not use the one that come with window
[02:31] <filloy> Blissex not fatal, but might be causing the thing.
[02:31] <filloy> ilba7r then which one ?
[02:31] <ilba7r> i am trying to log into the site for know drivers but it is overloaded now
[02:32] <ilba7r> arentie thats the old one
[02:32] <Blissex> filloy: look at the end of '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' it will tell you what the cause of the crash is.
[02:32] <ilba7r> look at this form https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[02:32] <filloy> Blissex ok, then...
[02:32] <ilba7r> thats how i made mine work
[02:32] <filloy> liba7r thanx
[02:33] <ilba7r> filloy ur welcomed. By the way breezy have ndiswrapper 1.1
[02:34] <filloy> Blissex btw, at bootup it says  8139cp: try the "8139too" driver instead. /init: 63: cannot open /sys/bus/scsi/devices/*/type: no such file
[02:34] <filloy> Blissex does that help in anything ?
[02:35] <arcanistherogue> Hey, does anyone know what filesystem an Ipod is?
[02:35] <arcanistherogue> *has
[02:35] <Blissex> filloy: that has nothing to do with X
[02:36] <arcanistherogue> by default with the apple firmware, not the linux ipod
[02:36] <filloy> Blissex ok, then ill forget about it
[02:36] <Blissex> filloy: thats the ethernet card
[02:36] <Blissex> filloy: it says to use another driver for the ethernet card, not the one you configured...
[02:36] <arentie> ilba7r: that's how I got it working previously, but then this dude on #ubuntu asked me why I wasn't using the ndiswrapper that came with Ubuntu
[02:37] <Blissex> filloy: it looks like your system is not configured quite right....
[02:37] <ilba7r> ok this is the link to the drivers card list and where to download them http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[02:37] <johndarkhorse> arcanistherogue: i believe the ipod uses the fat fs
[02:37] <Blissex> arcanistherogue: do a web search...
[02:37] <filloy> Blissex self configured, maybe reinstalling ?
[02:37] <Blissex> filloy: perhaps going back to Hoary might be a good idea :-)
[02:37] <ilba7r> arentie because it does not work i tried it and it did not work you need the new ver
[02:38] <filloy> Blissex uhmm.....maybe :p
[02:38] <Blissex> filloy: because it is very strange that suddendly the Ethernet card is configured wrong.
[02:38] <ilba7r> as i said before the ndiswrapper that work is in the breezy repos. if you want it you can get it from there
[02:38] <filloy> Blissex or just use winsux till the good Kubuntu arrives :p
[02:38] <Blissex> filloy: Hoary is very good already...
[02:39] <Blissex> filloy: and you said everything worked with Hoary.
[02:39] <filloy> Blissex yep, ok then, ill install it there.
[02:40] <filloy> Blissex sorry to waste your time
[02:40] <arentie> ilba7r:  I really appreciate your help by the way...what version should I download?
[02:40] <Blissex> filloy: well, thanks for the appreciation... But you should learn to be rather more precise in saying things...
[02:41] <filloy> Blissex, i dont have the correct lang installed in me :P
[02:41] <ilba7r> arentie looking at the site there is ndiswrapper 1.3
[02:41] <Blissex> filloy: that can save a lot of time. Also, using ''ordinary'' peripherals is a lot easier than using special ones.
[02:41] <ilba7r> for me ndiswrapper 1.1 and 1.2 worked fine
[02:41] <filloy> Blissex ok, thanx for the advice, ill follow them...
[02:41] <Blissex> filloy: but you can learn. BTW, remember to install the spanish locale packages for the system, KDE and KOffice with Hoary too.
[02:41] <ilba7r> i should wait for the 1.3 is still a release candidate so it might have some testing to be stable
[02:42] <filloy> Blissex thanx, and goodbye, ill install the locale packages :) c ya !
[02:42] <Blissex> filloy: bye!
[02:43] <arentie> ilba7r:  Should I remove what I already have installed first?
[02:43] <ilba7r> arentie yap
[02:43] <ilba7r> wait i will give you a forum to do that the propper way
[02:43] <arentie> ilba7r: 10-4 good buddy
[02:43] <ilba7r> wait tell me when you did the installation according to the forum
[02:44] <ilba7r> did you remove the ndiswrapper?
[02:44] <delltony> geeze it sure is hot today
[02:45] <ilba7r> ok this forum will tell you how to remove ndiswrapper if you installed it manually http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=bcm
[02:45] <ilba7r> if you just installed through apt-get or synaptic you can use them to uninstall
[02:47] <dreamwave> does anyone here know how to use the KDE settings control panel to set up wireless networking?
[02:48] <ilba7r> kwifi is an excellent package to set up you wireless
[02:48] <dreamwave> ilba7r, is it included in the live cd?  i've got the breezy preview.
[02:49] <ilba7r> dreamwave i do not now if it is included you can simply right click the mouse and add it to your panel if it is installed
[02:50] <dreamwave> ah.  okay.  thanks
[02:50] <ilba7r> so move the mouse to the main panel and right click it and then search for it
[02:50] <ilba7r> or in a terminal type which kwifi
[02:50] <dreamwave> ilba7r, i'll do just that when I reboot.  i'm currently running the ubuntu live cd.
[02:51] <ilba7r> ook good luck the n
[02:51] <arentie> ilba7r: Yes, I uninstalled via kynaptic...so, I think I should be fine to install the ndiswrapper that I downloaded
[02:51] <dreamwave> so far, i'm super impressed.
[02:52] <ilba7r> ok good luck then arentie
[02:53] <arentie> ilba7r, so basically I follow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto to get the ndiswrapper installed; then, I follow: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=bcm to get my wlan0 configured, right?
[02:53] <ilba7r> arentie the first forum is for the ndiswrapper to work. The second one is for if ever you want to uninstall it you want to do it the clean way
[02:54] <ilba7r> arentie are you planning on using gnome or kde
[02:54] <arentie> ilba7r: I want to use KDE
[02:55] <ilba7r> arentie then use kwifi to manage your wireless after installing the ndiswrapper and your card driver
[02:55] <ilba7r> for gnome there is gtkwifi package which is also excellent
[02:56] <ilba7r> by the way as you use linux you can configure your hardware either through packages or manually i prefer the former much easier
[02:59] <ilba7r> this is a link if you want to configure it manually though https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:07] <_justin> I need help
[03:08] <_justin> I just installed kubuntu-desktop but it still loads into gnome, everything looks the same except for there are new programs in the menus and the logon screen is different
[03:08] <_justin> any help?
[03:11] <_justin> is anyone here?
[03:11] <seth_k> yep
[03:12] <DewDude>  you need to pick KDE as your session type from the login screen
[03:12] <DewDude> it' like, i'm installing ubuntu-desktop....but kde will boot by default
[03:12] <DewDude> i just felt like having both
[03:15] <_justin> cool, so i can just log out and then pick it right?
[03:15] <_justin> thanks a bunch
[03:17] <delltony> damn my internet is really slow tonight :(
[03:27] <hater2win> anybody know how to speed up ktorrent speeds?
[03:31] <arentie> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[03:31] <arentie> I receive the following error when attempting to enter the command sudo modprobe ndiswrapper: 
[03:31] <seth_k> make sure your ports are open, hater2win
[03:32] <hater2win> seth_k: ive forwarded 6881 to 6999 but to no avail
[03:32] <seth_k> do you get faster speeds with another program?
[03:32] <hater2win> do i need to open ports for the tracker itself?
[03:32] <seth_k> if you're at a uni or something, they'll always block torrent stuff
[03:33] <hater2win> nah im at home
[03:33] <hater2win> i run pretty quickly off azureus
[03:33] <seth_k> then there could be a ktorrent setting that is making it pretty stingy about allowing upload speed or something
[03:33] <seth_k> or it could just be b/c it's a relatively new program
[03:34] <hater2win> hmm
[03:34] <hater2win> alright, thnx
[03:58] <locomorto> Anyone here using adept?
[04:00] <monkeydude2005> could someone lead me in the right direction here...I've tried several guides for installing the ATI fglrx driver and still don't have 3d accel. and please don't rant about how crappy ATI is.
[04:01] <monkeydude2005> apparently the fglrx module is loaded and everything seems to be in place, and yet the mesa drivers are still there.
[04:02] <monkeydude2005> my xorg.conf is a custom built one, but has all the necessary elements of an fglrx config file.
[04:04] <monkeydude2005> my mobo's chipset is non-Intel so i'm using the external AGP module instead at the moment.
[04:05] <monkeydude2005> i've tried the steps listed on most of those guides, but to no avail.
[04:08] <monkeydude2005> i'm using Ubuntu 5.10 Preview b.t.w.
[04:09] <monkeydude2005> nevermind will use the forums
[04:20] <ubuntu> Just booted kubuntu live. how do I access my existing (non linux) partitions?
[04:21] <kurt> will kubuntu feature 3.5 when it's released?
[04:33] <BlankB> What app should I use to capture DV and convert to mpeg4 in real time.?
[04:34] <cvt> xchat anyone?
[04:34] <cvt> umm
[04:34] <cvt> does camtasia handle that, BlankB ?
[04:34] <cvt> not sure
[04:35] <BlankB> cvt: ill look it up. Not familiar with it.
[04:35] <cvt> it's  for making tutorials and recording all movements and actions on the screen into a video
[04:35] <cvt> it's awesome!
[04:35] <cvt> i used the trial version
[04:36] <cvt> still works great but it might not be what you're looking for
[04:36] <BlankB> hmm... probably not what Im looking for.
[04:36] <BlankB> I want something equiv to virtualdub doing capture.
[04:36] <cvt> hmmm
[04:36] <cvt> i used an .avi splitter once, i wish i was more help.
[04:37] <cvt> btw, i've been trying to get java on kubuntu but i may not even need java at all
[04:37] <BlankB> were you able to get java going?
[04:38] <hydrogen> anyone know if amaroK 1.3 is availible through  apt yet?
[04:38] <cvt> nope
[04:38] <cvt> no java yet
[04:38] <cvt> i wanted it for bandwidth tests
[04:38] <kurt> cvt: not through backports or through make-jpkg and fakeroot?
[04:38] <cvt> there's on test i really trust but it only uses java
[04:39] <cvt> it's the best test i've ever seen on the net
[04:39] <BlankB> it should just be as easy as: apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:39] <cvt> by visualware
[04:39] <cvt> not sure
[04:39] <cvt> i may have failed somewhere
[04:39] <BlankB> Thats what I have running....well actually i have sun-j2sdk1.5
[04:40] <cvt> i have a decent set up so if anyone else is able to get java so should i, it's just that i'm slow.
[04:40] <kurt> cvt: if it comes down to it
[04:40] <BlankB> 8)
[04:40] <kurt> download the .deb and dpkg it
[04:44] <cvt> i have a strong aversion to those stupid spiritual messages people send me in emails.
[04:44] <cvt> it's like morality for the insane and deranged
[04:45] <hater2win>  anybody else watching Texas/Ohio game?
[04:45] <BlankB> h2w: yes.
[04:46] <hater2win> BlankB: how good a game is this
[04:46] <BlankB> we will see. 8(
[04:46] <hater2win> texas struggling though, need to stop turning the ball over
[04:46] <hater2win> and start catching something
[04:48] <hydrogen> so then... about amaroK?
[04:49] <hater2win> what about it?
[04:50] <sml> my adsl network connection seems a little sluggish compared to using archlinux ... what areas should I look at to improve performance - both wireless and ethernet.
[04:52] <delltony> anyonoe had luck with kmid i can't seem to get /dev/sequencer even with a MAKEDEV
[04:52] <hydrogen> is 1.3 somewhere in a repo somewhere?
[04:52] <hydrogen> or should I just build from src
[04:53] <hater2win> should be in repo
[04:53] <hydrogen> I only see 1.2.4
[04:55] <hater2win> hmm
[04:55] <hater2win> *shrug* i guess just compile it from source then
[04:55] <eds01> how good would kubuntu be for an older computer?
[05:00] <BlankB> eds01: It depends on the old machine. I installed it to a pentium 233 with 128 m ram.  It ran really slow.
[05:00] <eds01> i see
[05:00] <eds01> i have my sisters old computetr
[05:00] <BlankB> It worked but I would feel sorry for anyone using it.
[05:00] <eds01> because she went to colledge
[05:01] <eds01> its about 6 years olds
[05:01] <hydrogen> hrm
[05:01] <eds01> would you have any good suggestions for a distro?
[05:01] <hydrogen>  /lib/cpp failing sanity check can't be good..
[05:01] <BlankB> I would have to know the specs on the machine and what you want to get out of it.
[05:02] <eds01> well, i really would use it for surfing the web and word proccessing, mostly
[05:02] <eds01> possibly for watching fansubbed anime too
[05:02] <delltony> eds01, if its an older computer i personally would run fluxbox as my window manager
[05:02] <eds01> ok
[05:03] <delltony> on my old system i installed gentoo and then run flux on it but i believe on ubuntu there is a server option
[05:03] <eds01> ok
[05:03] <delltony> so you can install that and get basically nothing more than a console
[05:03] <delltony> then make sure you install xserver and fluxbox
[05:04] <delltony> and then you set flux up however you like at least thats how i did itt on gentoo
[05:04] <delltony> never tired it on ubuntu that way
[05:04] <eds01> so use gentoo
[05:04] <eds01> and get fluxbox and xserver
[05:04] <hydrogen> oops
[05:04] <delltony> nah id use ubuntu unless  you understand a little bit about linux 
[05:05] <eds01> ok
[05:05] <delltony> but you don't need all the extra stuff is why i recommend the server option
[05:06] <eds01> ok
[05:06] <delltony> and you just install flux or install ubuntu and then make your session flux and make it default
[05:06] <eds01> so use ubunto, but use xserver and fluxbox?
[05:06] <delltony> well xserver is how you get gui
[05:06] <eds01> ok
[05:06] <eds01> makes sense
[05:06] <delltony> and then your window manager is flux
[05:07] <delltony> like kde is a desktop manager
[05:07] <delltony> and gnome is a desktop manager
[05:07] <eds01> ok
[05:07] <delltony> but you have to have x running for it to start
[05:07] <delltony> otherwise you get just a shell 
[05:07] <delltony> but kde will kill a 6 year old system :(
[05:08] <delltony> at least to my liking it would
[05:08] <eds01> ok
[05:09] <eds01> so how would i get x running?
[05:09] <eds01> install it on the command line?
[05:09] <delltony> startx
[05:09] <delltony> thats the command to start x
[05:09] <eds01> ok
[05:10] <delltony> my recommendation for you
[05:10] <delltony> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[05:10] <eds01> thanks
[05:11] <delltony> bare in mind thats for warty which ran xfree86
[05:11] <delltony> hoary and breezy use xorg
[05:11] <delltony> so look into the xserver portion of that it might be xserver-xorg86 or something not sure
[05:12] <delltony> try this xserver-xorg-core - the X.Org X server
[05:13] <delltony> after you do the steps in that howto to get xserver use apt-get install xserver-xorg-core or the common one
[05:13] <eds01> ok
[05:13] <eds01> so i should use warty??
[05:14] <delltony> warty is outdated
[05:14] <delltony> id use hoary or breezy
[05:14] <eds01> ok
[05:15] <delltony> but when you install you will see boot:
[05:15] <delltony> type in server
[05:15] <delltony> and it should install the bare min for a server iirc
[05:15] <eds01> and then i type in xserver-xorg-core
[05:16] <delltony> with sudo apt-get install but yea
[05:16] <eds01> ok
[05:16] <delltony> after it installs and gives you the $
[05:16] <eds01> i think i get it
[05:16] <eds01> thanks for helping a n00b
[05:16] <delltony> hell way i look at it we are all n00bs cause things change constantly and we are all learning
[05:16] <delltony> some disagree but thats how i see it
[05:17] <eds01> makes sense
[05:17] <delltony> but they say use icewm
[05:17] <delltony> its ok but i like fluxbox
[05:17] <delltony> but keep in mind with flux you don't get all these kde fancy premade things
[05:18] <delltony> they have gtkapplets and so forth
[05:18] <eds01> eh, i have my newer computer for doing cool stuff on
[05:18] <delltony> that make it nice and pretty
[05:18] <eds01> i'll use the oder one for learning how to use linux and stuff
[05:18] <delltony> but you dont' have all the bells and whistles in flux is all i'm sayinig
[05:18] <delltony> its low end
[05:18] <eds01> ok
[05:18] <delltony> but can look really damn sweet
[05:18] <eds01> i suppose that will make it run faster, which is good
[05:19] <delltony> yeah thats the point
[05:19] <delltony> but if you really want it to run fast then install gentoo on a stage 1 install
[05:19] <eds01> ok
[05:19] <delltony> so it is not precompiled os but actually compiled specific to your computer
[05:19] <delltony> but it took me 5 days straight to compile it
[05:19] <eds01> wow
[05:20] <eds01> ehh, i have time to burn
[05:20] <eds01> and another computer to do stuff on
[05:20] <eds01> so 5 days wont be that bad
[05:20] <delltony> well if i was u then id install gentoo but bare in mind its not as user friendly as ubuntu
[05:20] <delltony> but you will definately learn some linux if thats your goal
[05:21] <eds01> yeah
[05:21] <delltony> you will learn about boot straps and what all the directory structs are and what the rcupdate does and so forth
[05:21] <eds01> ok
[07:41] <delltony> anyone here using breezy and transcode and mplayer?
[07:55] <znh> morning!
[07:57] <mustafu> heh, morning
[07:58] <mustafu> my clock appears to be off...anyone know what EST is right now?
[08:00] <znh> no idea tbh
[08:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone understand how to work around the bug that stops me from entering admin mode for kdm settings?
[08:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> i type in the password and it just blanks back to the blue screen for that section.
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..i can just kdesu kcontrol hah
[08:34] <dooglio> heh
[08:34] <dooglio> see, sometimes it helps to talk about the problem
[08:34] <dooglio> then you find the solution
[08:34] <dooglio> :-)
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've gone through this problem so many times..and just now i figured that workaround.
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> someone should fix that bug in kcontrol.
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> very rarely does it work when i try to edit kdm.  i type in my password for sudo, and it just blanks back whatever it was on.
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> the new firefox beta is awesome
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has a feature that will ignore "target="
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> so everything just opens in the tab you're already in.  i've been dying for that for the longest time.
[08:44] <hater2win> sup guys
[08:49] <hater2win> nobody here?
[08:55] <chavo> no one but us vampires
[08:55] <hater2win> i have quite large fangs myself
[09:02] <ralph> Hi all just running Badger preview thru the paces.
[09:15] <znh> Does anyone know a ogg->wav converter?
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg123 i think right?
[09:17] <znh> really?
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> let's see..lemme look.
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> oggdec
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you mean by "ogg"
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> a vorbis file?
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg is just an encapsulation format.
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i assume you're talking about a vorbis file in an ogg container.
[09:18] <znh> well
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> and not a theora file or something.
[09:18] <znh> I have sounds that are in the .ogg extension
[09:18] <znh> I'd like to use them as gnome sounds, however they don't support ogg thingy
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> weird.
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was sure they did.
[09:19] <znh> 'not a valid wav files' it says
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, anyway, oggdec is the prog you want
[09:19] <znh> ok I got oggdec, lemme see
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should be able to just type "oggdec file.ogg"
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i encode all my music to flac now, cause i got a 250gb hard drive.
[09:19] <znh> sweet!
[09:20] <znh> whats special in flac?
[09:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> lossless
[09:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> and about 60% the size of the original wave
[09:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> cookies burning!
[09:24] <hater2win> lol
[09:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..i think they'll live.
[09:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> we can only wait and see.  it's in god's hands now.
[09:25] <sml> i have a process 'perl' using about 95% CPU is this the same as yours?
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> any of you dorks have a SIP phone?
[09:29] <sml> nope
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[09:29] <sml> could someone please check #top and the level of CPU that perl uses?
[09:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's funny when you ask a crowd "anyone <blank>??"  and someone says "nope"
[09:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> as if he knows everyone in the crowd.
[09:30] <sml> was answering for myself .. lol
[09:30] <SpudULike> Hi room, can you help with the following error. From <System> icon -> <Storage Media> I get the error 'The KDE mediamanager is not running'.  How do I get it running?
[09:54] <cvt> Do you know why I get this error message when i go to System icon:
[09:54] <hater2win> SpudULike: what error are you getting that from?
[09:54] <cvt> Retrieving data from system is not supported.
[09:54] <cvt> ?
[09:55] <hater2win> cvt: you probably are trying to access it with r00t privelages
[09:55] <hater2win> but i dunno
[09:55] <hater2win> im a noob
[09:55] <hater2win> lol
[10:11] <mushtaq> hi i am trying to install php from source over my kubuntu
[10:11] <mushtaq> and i am getting the following error in compilation
[10:11] <mushtaq> error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation
[10:12] <mushtaq> i have installed it
[10:12] <mushtaq> there are many modules i have installed but still there is an error
[10:13] <crimsun> you need libxml2-dev
[10:14] <mushtaq> ok 
[10:15] <mushtaq> this is a development package is it ? 
[10:15] <crimsun> yes
[10:18] <hater2win> anybody know how to fix the issue where gaim doesnt output any sound when you are listening to music or watching movies, etc?
[10:22] <SpudULike> hater2win: I am getting the 'The KDE mediamanager is not running' error message in a KDE popup window.
[10:25] <mushtaq> crimson now there is a new error that is solved thanks
[10:25] <mushtaq> checking for MySQL UNIX socket location... /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[10:25] <mushtaq> configure: error: Cannot find MySQL header files under yes
[10:25] <fatejudger> then run it
[10:29] <SpudULike> hater2win: In another room I got poiter to kcontrol where I found the 'service'. I restarted it and now it is working again. Before I spent the nightfinding out abount things like pmount I made some manual entries to fstab. Maybe I broke it doing this.
[10:30] <hater2win> SpudULike: did you also install hal and dbus or just pmount?
[10:31] <fatejudger> breaking stuff is fun!
[10:32] <hater2win> because pmount relies on hal .5
[10:32] <hater2win> so if you dont have .5 it wouldnt work correctly
[10:33] <SpudULike> hater2win: I've not used pmount, but I now know I should have used it.  The meda:/ feature worked before I made these manual ajustments, so I assume that HAL and DBus were already installed.
[10:34] <hater2win> hmm
[10:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde's screen saver setup sucks.  you can't view the command line.
[10:34] <hater2win> try upgrading to dbus .5 and the latest hal
[10:34] <fatejudger> BROKEN_LADDER: lol
[10:34] <hater2win> dbus0.5 and hal5.4
[10:34] <hater2win> i think
[10:35] <hater2win> if not then you might have to find the hal and dbus dirs and delete them
[10:35] <hater2win> see if that'll work
[10:35] <hater2win> you running kde 3.4?
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> fatejudger gnome's screen saver setup is much better.
[10:36] <chavo> BROKEN_LADDER, just run xscreensaver-demo
[10:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm
[10:38] <chavo> gnome uses xscreen saver, but you can use it in kde also
[10:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> that will change the same config file?
[10:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> so that screensavers in kde will obey its changes?
[10:38] <chavo> yes ~/.xscreensaver
[10:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..wicked.
[10:39] <mushtaq> crimson it is working thanks a lot
[10:39] <fatejudger> wtf
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah, in kde i can't even set which directory to use for the opengl-slideshow screensaver
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> lame
[10:39] <fatejudger> why do you need to see the command line in a screensaver?
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> to set settings on it.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde's screensaver setup for this screen saver, for instance, sucks.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it uses slider bars instead of precise values.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can't even tell it which directory to use for images.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h. christ
[10:41] <SpudULike> Hmm, I wonder what else I've broken. Let me tell you a story.  I manually mounted some partitions because I wanted to back them up to DVD, they're mainly mp3s.  I burnt the DVD but then found I had no way of mounting it, the <System> -> <Storage Media> method was giving the error mentioned earlier.  Having restarted the 'Media Manager' in kcontrol I can now mount the DVD but when I've tried to play one of the tracks as a test Amorek seems to have worked it
[10:41] <SpudULike> I may have to go for a reset see if that sorts things out.
[10:43] <hater2win> perhaps
[10:44] <SpudULike> Amorek is still 'busy' - the pointer changes to the stopwatch pointer when I hover over it, in the taskbar of desktop.
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm moving from sf to seattle soon, so if any of you guys wanna tear some stuff up at the local pubs, lemme know.
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you live in seattle that is.
[10:46] <SpudULike> BROKEN_LADDER: Love to. Tad far from London though.
[10:48] <chavo> Yeah, I'm in South Florida, so it's a bit of a trip
[10:48] <hater2win> BROKEN_LADDER: texas isn't too far away, im sure we can arrange somethign
[10:48] <SpudULike> Hmmm, even XKill won't kill it.
[10:48] <hater2win> did you try killall?
[10:48] <hater2win> sudo killall amorak
[10:49] <SpudULike> colin@ubuntu:~$ sudo killall amorak
[10:49] <SpudULike> Password:
[10:49] <SpudULike> amorak: no process killed
[10:49] <SpudULike> colin@ubuntu:~$
[10:49] <hater2win> lo
[10:49] <hater2win> lol
[10:49] <SpudULike> This is very odd 'cos it's sitting on my desktop!
[10:50] <hater2win> lol
[10:50] <hater2win> try
[10:50] <hater2win> sudo killall amorak
[10:50] <hater2win> spelled it wrong
[10:50] <hater2win> lol
[10:50] <chavo> it's amarok
[10:50] <hater2win> amorak
[10:50] <hater2win> err
[10:50] <hater2win> amarok
[10:50] <hater2win> lol
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[10:50] <hater2win> my ba
[10:50] <hater2win> my bad
[10:51] <hater2win> sudo killall amarok
[10:51] <chavo> you don't have tab completion for killall?
[10:51] <fatejudger> why don't you just use the process manager to kill it?
[10:52] <fatejudger> you guys are funny
[10:52] <hater2win> because some people aren't gay and wanna brute force the shit out of it
[10:52] <hater2win> plus with the process manager, there could be processes its created, and we want to kill all related
[10:52] <hater2win> killall will do that
[10:53] <chavo> do a kill -9
[10:54] <SpudULike> 'sudo killall amarokapp' got it!
[10:54] <hater2win> nie
[10:54] <hater2win> nice
[10:56] <libben> Ive checked all the universe in synaptic, but im missing one im thinking. an extra resp i think it was called. i want to install rar and unrar and nonfree-flashplugin for firefox. cant find those in just the normal resps
[10:56] <SpudULike> Very good.  I'm a recent refugee from Suse, we used to have Yast modules for all of this ;-)
[10:57] <SpudULike> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[10:58] <hater2win> i really wish it would just copy as plain text lol
[10:58] <SpudULike> Yeah, I've just started using Konversation, never had this in XChat.
[10:59] <SpudULike> Though I now know to use the edit feature.
[10:59] <SpudULike> ... when pasting.
[11:00] <hater2win> how to do tht?
[11:02] <hater2win> lo
[11:02] <hater2win> mleh
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't think kde's screen saver prefs edit ~/.xscreensaver  I think it has its own settings.
[11:02] <hater2win> alright well im off for the night
[11:02] <hater2win> night guys
[11:04] <hater2win> k nvm im staying
[11:12] <libben> anyone has the link to the example sources.list that had it all?
[11:52] <SpudULike> Now I need some help and advice on moving my home directory.  I have an old partion that contains /home from my previous Suse installation, where I used to use KDE. I now want to start to use this with my new Kubuntu installation.  What pitfalls will I have doing this?
[11:54] <chavo> SpudULike, is it the same version kde?
[11:54] <chavo> SpudULike, I've been using the same /home for years.
[11:55] <setite> !mp3
[11:55] <dave__> Winamp  5.09 Stopped
[11:55] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[11:55] <SpudULike> 3.4.x.  I seem to remember it being 3.4.1 on Suse.
[11:55] <chavo> you should be fine then
[11:55] <chavo> just have to update the ownership make sure the owner and group are right
[11:55] <setite> !64
[11:55] <ubotu> setite: Are you on ritalin?
[11:55] <SpudULike> Do I just relable the mountpoint in fstab then?
[11:56] <setite> !amd64
[11:56] <ubotu> Not a clue, setite
[11:56] <chavo> SpudULike, yup
[11:56] <setite> i cant find the kde deb line ont eh site
[11:56] <chavo> I just moved my /home to a bigger partition
[11:57] <chavo> SpudULike, I think suse used reiserfs by default, no?
[11:57] <SpudULike> How did you move it, to keep timestamps the same, etc?
[11:58] <chavo> SpudULike, cp -a
[11:58] <setite> oh nice ubuntuguide has a amd64 section
[11:58] <chavo> keeps permissions and everything, but doesn't follow links
[11:58] <SpudULike> It is on a Reiser partition.  I think I may move it to another, larger, partition now.
[11:59] <SpudULike> I'll use Ext3.
[12:04] <setite> !dma
[12:30] <setite> whats the source line for kubuntu
[12:31] <setite> i need that akod
[12:31] <setite> e
[12:34] <tarball> I have got kubuntu installed on my laptop.  Everything is working fine if I login but if my GF then logs on using the 'switch user' option the software suspend will kick in, any ideas how I can stop this?
[01:10] <jeyancad> buenas, alguien me puede decir como se puede quitar el bloqueo, que impide que se pueda hacer su - desde una consola de usuario
[01:14] <cvt> New Problem:
[01:14] <cvt> An external hd cannot be accessed at all.
[01:14] <cvt> I was able to copy files from it earlier.
[01:15] <cvt> Error - KIOExec
[01:15] <cvt> ../media/sda1 is a folder, but a file was expected.
[01:15] <cvt> Anyone have any ideas?
[01:47] <spiral> hi
[01:47] <DewDude> hi
[01:49] <OculusAquilae> hi
[01:50] <DewDude> so uhh..what's goin on?
[01:55] <nalioth> morning all
[01:59] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[01:59] <nikkia> GNU are idiots :P
[01:59] <nikkia> nalioth: their STL implementation depends on stuff in the crt startup stuff, which means you can't use STL templates in plugins :(
[02:00] <nalioth> nikkia: you never cease to puzzle me
[02:16] <DewDude> http://itux.ath.cx/screenshot.jpg
[02:20] <cvt> mt.dew is good
[02:22] <nikkia> DewDude: wow, people can still bear the old Keramik windecs ?#
[03:29] <coffeecomet> hi :)
[03:30] <coffeecomet> i was wondering what kind of support there was for winmodems in kubuntu? 
[03:37] <nikkia> coffeecomet: i imagine pretty much whatever's listed on :  http://linmodems.org/
[03:38] <coffeecomet> thanks nikkia :)
[03:44] <cvt> i have a rar file but can't extract it with what i have so far. any ideas?
[03:44] <nikkia> cvt, there are two unrar programs in the repositories, one free, one 'non-free'
[03:44] <cvt> ok
[03:44] <nikkia> the free one is probably what you have, and can't unrar some archives
[03:44] <nikkia> i believe the package name for the non-free one is unrar-nonfree, but i could be wrong
[03:45] <nikkia> !unrar
[03:45] <ubotu> nikkia: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:45] <cvt> i'll search for them
[03:45] <nikkia> !find unrar
[03:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'unrar' (2 shown): unrar ;; unrar-nonfree.
[03:45] <nikkia> there you go
[03:45] <nikkia> !unrar-nonfree
[03:45] <ubotu> nikkia: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:45] <nikkia> !info unrar-nonfree
[03:45] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[03:46] <nikkia> (btw, non-free doesn't mean its pay-for software, as far as i can tell, just that the source code isn't available, hence its not Free)
[03:47] <nikkia> hmmm, actually, it seems the source is available, its just not GPL'ed
[03:48] <cvt> nikkia, the warnings aren't important?  "Warning You are about to install software that can't be authenticated!"
[03:48] <nikkia> cvt, probably not
[03:48] <cvt> "Doing this could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of you system."
[03:48] <cvt> k
[03:49] <cvt> i'm installing the non-free one
[03:50] <nikkia> hmmm, its a bit old too :)
[03:50] <nikkia> 3.5.3 seems to be the latest on the winrar page
[03:55] <cvt> brb sick
[03:59] <tiago_> hi can some one plz point me to a wiki for setting up compositing on a nvidia card?
[04:00] <nico_> hi. i have a problem with kdevelop. i cant configure
[04:00] <nico_> hecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04:00] <nico_> i get this error:
[04:01] <nico_> hecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04:03] <nico_> please help me.
[04:04] <SpudULike> Hi room.  What is the name of the utility that graphically shows file sizes in konqueror to provide the 'File Size View'?
[04:04] <nikkia> nico, did you install build-essential ?
[04:05] <nikkia> !info build-essential
[04:05] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[04:05] <nico_> where can i dl it?
[04:06] <nikkia> nico, using apt-get, synaptic, kynaptic or aptitude, its a package
[04:07] <nico_> i know. but i wanted to know where i can     download it.
[04:23] <nico_> now i get this error:
[04:23] <_tiago> can some one plz help me?
[04:23] <nico_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:23] <_tiago> i need to configure xorg.conf
[04:23] <_tiago> so i can enable compositing
[04:24] <_tiago> i cant join ubuntu channel... its saying i need to be identified?
[04:25] <nikkia> nico, you'll need the -dev packages for the X libraries
[04:25] <_tiago> how lame
[04:25] <_tiago> how do i identify?
[04:25] <_tiago> jezz... lol every ones afk
[04:25] <nikkia> nico, which should be xlibs-dev
[04:26] <_tiago> ok im going to bed
[04:26] <_tiago> so lame
[04:29] <tule> Hello- Does anyone know what to do with a "timestamp too far in the future" error when using sudo?
[04:30] <DocTomoe> tule: Try setting your time to a sane value.
[04:31] <tule> I just did... using the date command, time shows up ok in kde, but yet I can't use sudo to do anything else without this error appearing?
[04:33] <nikkia> tule, try sudo -K  then try again
[04:34] <nikkia> that should remove the timestamp that refers to the last time you ran sudo
[04:34] <tule> thanks nikkia- i'll have a try..
[04:34] <nikkia> sudo stores the timestamp so that you only need to supply your password if a specific time has elapsed since you last ran sudo
[04:34] <tule> nope- sudo -K gives same result... I'd actually tried that earlier, but with a lowercase k.
[04:35] <nikkia> try sudo -v
[04:35] <nico_> and where can i get the X-libs?
[04:35] <tule> hehe.. tried that too.. same deal..
[04:35] <nikkia> nico, in the package manager of your choice, the package is called xlibs-dev
[04:35] <nikkia> tule, then its a bug, it really shouldn't care about the timestamp if you're trying to invalidate it
[04:36] <tule> thats what I am thinking too. doesn't appear to function as the man page suggests..
[04:36] <nikkia> tule, the manpage lists a webpage to report bugs, i'd do so
[04:37] <tule> yeah.. i think i will. thanks.
[04:37] <tule> i can't believe I am the only person this has happened to, but it would be my luck. Google turns up the same suggestions you've already supplied.. oh well..
[04:56] <johlinj> anyone here who could help me with a quick question
[04:56] <johlinj> ?
[04:57] <johlin> I've burned the kubuntu iso on cd, and began install. I have a fat32-partition that I want to install on (that have been used by windows). But in the partition tool in the install, I can only choose to redo the whole partition table, not just install to this partition
[05:00] <Kuolio> johlin: you cant install on the same partition with windows, you should have some "un-assigned" space for (k)ubuntu, i think (might be wrong though, im not installation expert)
[05:01] <johlin> So you mean that I have to reformat this partition to some linuxfs, before install?
[05:01] <johlin> any good boot disks that will do this?
[05:02] <kennyhack> you ought to have an "un-assigned" partition as Kuolio said
[05:02] <johlin> so I need to format it as ext3 or something before install?
[05:03] <johlin> I did the same thing with regular ubuntu a while ago, there was no problem. but now with kubuntu, it doesn't work
[05:03] <kennyhack> I think it's better to have a ext3 partition for linux :S
[05:03] <johlin> yeah, but I mean't that I could choose to format the fat32 partition, in the installer
[05:04] <johlin> I could with ubuntu, but not with kubuntu then
[05:04] <Chameleon22> what file do i need to edit to add a command that should be executed on boot ?
[05:04] <kennyhack> the grub configuration file is in /boot/grub/
[05:04] <kennyhack> it's menu.lst
[05:05] <johlin> but are there any handy floppy-images that just lets me format a partition to a linux fs?
[05:06] <kennyhack> you can edit the partition tables in the (k)ubuntu installer
[05:06] <johlin> I only got the option to remove the parition table and redo it
[05:07] <kennyhack> and... what about editing the partitions with a live-cd with QtParted :S ?
[05:08] <kennyhack> or... with a windows floppy-image and "fdisk" LOL
[05:08] <johlin> the thing is that I spent the last cd-r on kubuntu
[05:08] <johlin> windows floppy would work, but they doesn't support linux fs'?
[05:08] <Kuolio> you can edit your partition scheme from windows also
[05:09] <kennyhack> you edit the partition with fdisk
[05:09] <johlin> yep, but not format to ext3
[05:09] <kennyhack> then you format it as fat32 for example
[05:09] <Kuolio> johlin: you dont need to create linux-fs on the disk
[05:09] <kennyhack> and in the kubuntu install you re-format the partiton to etx3
[05:09] <Kuolio> you just need some empty, un-assigned space on your hd
[05:09] <johlin> okay
[05:09] <johlin> windows>disk managenment?
[05:09] <Kuolio> dunno, dont know windows at all
[05:09] <Kuolio> only used macs and linux :D
[05:10] <johlin> I wan't a mac, but I'm afraid the rest of the family doesn't :(
[05:10] <kennyhack> mhh... I guess that it's disk management... don't know at all :S:S
[05:10] <Chameleon22> what file do i need to edit to add a command that should be executed on boot ?
[05:10] <kennyhack>  " /boot/grub/menu.lst "
[05:12] <johlin> windows is stupid. on opening disk management, it tells me that "the service blabla is not running"
[05:12] <johlin> guess I'll have to activate it then
[05:12] <kennyhack> don't say windows, say winbugs xDD
[05:12] <johlin> yeah, or windoze
[05:12] <kennyhack> yeah
[05:13] <johlin> now the sevice is started, but not selected as "start service on boot", so I may need to restart just to get a runnign service working
[05:13] <kennyhack> mmh... what about if I transfer you the floppy-image?
[05:13] <johlin> I wish Bill Gates would have gotten laid in highschool, so that no such thing as Winddoze would have existed
[05:14] <johlin> may have to restart, brb
[05:14] <kennyhack> ok, cya
[05:14] <Sith_Tux> hello people, just installed kubuntu5.10
[05:15] <kennyhack> gd gd ^^
[05:15] <kennyhack> when is Ubuntu 5.10 due to come out ??? ( the final release ) ?
[05:20] <johlin> ok, now I am back
[05:20] <johlin> the disk management started, so I'll try to remove the partition
[05:22] <DocTomoe> kennyhack: Oct 13.
[05:22] <johlin> looks as if I have 17gb free space, before the fat32 partition, and that I can't remove the fat32 partition, as it is a primary partition. wtf?
[05:23] <DocTomoe> Does anyone have an idea how to get kde to use german in breezy? adding it in kcontrol does not work 
[05:23] <johlin> anyone having good experiences with partition magic? will it work, or mess things up?
[05:24] <_cyberfish> ?
[05:25] <_cyberfish> hi !!!
[05:25] <_cyberfish> anybody here ?
[05:25] <DocTomoe> _cyberfish ... slowly ... get some breath :)
[05:25] <kennyhack> usually you have to download the language-pack from the internet
[05:26] <DocTomoe> kennyhack, check, I did this
[05:26] <DocTomoe> and I tried to add the language in kcontrol
[05:26] <kennyhack> did you reboot ?
[05:26] <DocTomoe> several times
[05:26] <DocTomoe> it is in the dropdown, but when I click on it, it will not be added to the list.
[05:27] <Sith_Tux> is there an mplayer for version 5.10?
[05:27] <kennyhack> try " dpkg-reconfigure locales " for the none-kde apps
[05:27] <kennyhack> LOL
[05:27] <hydrogen> any way to mount a reiser4 filesystem?
[05:28] <hydrogen> need to get some stuff off of it
[05:28] <DocTomoe> kennyhack ... the problem is *not* non-kde apps, 
[05:28] <DocTomoe> the problem is getting KDE itself to speak german
[05:29] <DocTomoe> where is language information for KDE saved? maybe I can twiddle with some text file.
[05:29] <kennyhack> yeah, I know xD
[05:29] <DocTomoe> locales are set correctly (even this stupid thousand-seperator-sign nobody acutally uses over here)
[05:29] <nico_> who knows the url to the ubuntu packages page?
[05:30] <kennyhack> http://packages.ubuntu.com ???
[05:31] <kennyhack> g2g 
[05:31] <nico_> oh. thx
[05:31] <kennyhack> bYe!
[05:32] <hydrogen> DocTomoe: there is a gigantic i8ln  doc on kde.org dealing with that
[05:37] <hydrogen> bahhhhhh
[05:52] <Stonie> Hello......Is the Radeon X800 XL video card supported ?
[05:52] <markw__> Kwifi question: this is a new install on a Mac TiBook; a good wifi network exists here but using kwifi says there is no network. Suggestions? I did a scan. I also created a configuration with the network in it but nada.
[06:12] <markw__> anybody know if a gpg GUI is available for breezy?
[06:14] <gdh> markw__: KGpg is installed by default is it not?
[06:14] <slow-motion> hello
[06:14] <markw__> I can't find it. I've installed breezy (ppc) on a PowerMac.
[06:15] <markw__> Synaptic says kgpg is not present.
[06:16] <gdh> K - Utilities - Kgpg ?
[06:16] <markw__> No, thanks, but not there.
[06:16] <markw__> Maybe the Macintosh is not the best platform for breezy?
[06:17] <gdh> shouldn't make any difference - the packages should be the same :/
[06:17] <markw__> yes....
[06:17] <gdh> what do you get if you do 'dpkg -l kgpg' ?
[06:17] <markw__> I'll try
[06:17] <gdh> ii  kgpg           3.4.2-0ubuntu1 GnuPG frontend for KDE ?
[06:18] <markw__>  for 'dpkg -l  kgpg' it says nothing found.
[06:19] <gdh> hm, sudo apt-get install kgpg ?
[06:19] <markw__> i'll try...
[06:19] <gdh> ahh
[06:19] <gdh> it's in universe
[06:19] <gdh> browse in konq to /etc/apt, then right click on sources.list and do Actions -> edit as root
[06:19] <gdh> then remove the # at the start of the 'universe' line... 
[06:20] <gdh> then reload the packages in synaptic and search for kgpg :)
[06:20] <markw__> ok...
[06:27] <AMIGrAve> I would like to put a linux system on an USB hard drive so I can boot on the partition from any computer (which allows USB booting) Can I do this with the LiveCD kubuntu ? If yes, how can I install it on the partition ? I would like to have the system uncompressed (not like the CD version) and the system partition writable
[06:28] <gdh> AMIGrAve: It sounds plausible to simply 'dd' a whole hard disk  to your USB /dev/sda drive..
[06:29] <gdh> You'd likely need to do some twiddling to make sure the fstab is mounting the right thing and usb-storage is available at boot time
[06:33] <AMIGrAve> gdh: well this is exactly the problem, dd'ing a pre-installed kubuntu on my usb partition won't do the trick (correct me if I'm wrong) but the hardware configuration will be specific to the hardware  it was installed on. (Network interfaces, modules, X.org modules, alsa modules, ... and the kernel needs a root parameter which I can't provide as the usb device name can change from a system to another. ) This is why I would like to retain 
[06:33] <AMIGrAve> iscover, ...
[06:33] <gdh> I think that long post got truncated
[06:34] <markw__> gdh: that got it. I used vi to edit the apt sources and then synaptic installed kgpg. Thanks.
[06:34] <gdh> "... This is why I would like to retain"
[06:34] <gdh> markw__: :) I can understand why universe isn't enabled by default but there should be a more user friendly way of doing so...
[06:34] <gdh> I think Ubuntu has an easy clicky-clicky way of doing it...
[06:37] <AMIGrAve> gdh: This is why I would like to retain the LiveCD knopix like functionnalities such as discover, ...
[06:38] <gdh> AMIGrAve: understandable.
[06:38] <gdh> I don't think there's any easy way to achieve what you want ... what about keeping the live CD as-is on a usb HD, but also have a seperate partition to store data on, one that would be autoprobed by the 'live CD' ?
[06:39] <gdh> I've never used the Kubuntu live CD - is there a ways to keep settings on a seperate read/write device?
[06:39] <gdh> I remember Knoppix offered that facility using usb storage
[06:41] <AMIGrAve> gdh: I have to admit tried kubuntu CD only once and I didn't checked about advanced features. But if I have the choice I prefer using kunbuntu livecdd than knoppix. Do you suggest dd'ing livecd to my USB partition ?
[06:41] <gdh> AMIGrAve: It's worth a go - I don't understand exactly how it would boot - never booted from USB...
[06:41] <gdh> but it might 'just work' :)
[06:42] <AMIGrAve> gdh: ;-) gonna try
[06:48] <Sith_Tux> i just installed 5.10 on my laptop, but every now and then i get a msg on my screen: display changed: lcd off.....what could be wrong?
[06:51] <slow-motion> re
[06:53] <gdh> Sith_Tux: I guess it's a message generated by your notebook itself rather than a popup message in KDE?
[06:53] <gdh> only thing I can think is the screen res or refresh rate Kubuntu has chosen is upsetting your laptop's screen / power management.
[06:55] <Sith_Tux> gdh: i think it's kde
[06:57] <Stonie> Anyone got an ATI X800 XL to work on Unbuntu?
[07:31] <libben> what was the line for the deb of breezy extras
[07:36] <markw_> networking issue: my "platform not supported"; i'm trying to use breezy on a Mac Powerbook.
[07:36] <markw_> trying to use wireless...
[07:37] <markw_> and in network settings choices are greyed out...
[07:37] <markw_> and a dialog comes up saying my platform is not supported.
[07:37] <markw_> Anything I might do about that?
[07:38] <markw_> Breezy invites me to choose a system to use for networking so I choose ubuntu or debian but still no wifi.
[07:51] <jesusfish> anyone here know of issues with the nVidia driver and the 2.6.12 kernel in breezy?
[07:56] <usrx> where is the kynaptic log file?
[08:03] <delltony> anyone here familar with checkinstall? reason being i have a questioin in regard to an error. when i run checkinstall the make install works but for some reason the deb file is not created says something about not hving a digit in the upstream not sure what that means
[08:08] <sputnick> hi there!
[08:08] <sputnick> is Kubuntu in French if possible?
[08:09] <libben> Riddell: i wanna be able to change fonts, wanna have the msscore something they were called... but i cant find them with universe added in breezy, wich more resp do i need
[08:09] <sputnick> is Kubuntu is in French if possible?
[08:11] <Riddell> sputnick: yes, install kde-i18n-fr
[08:12] <arentie> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[08:12] <libben> Riddell:  wich resp do i need for the rar and unrar and nonfree-flash etc. 
[08:12] <arentie> Hi, I am having issues with the latest version of ndiswrapper.  When I enter the command: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, I get: 
[08:12] <libben> cant find it with all others checked 
[08:13] <sputnick> cool txs riddell
[08:13] <Riddell> libben: msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[08:14] <Riddell> libben: unrar-free is in universe, unrar-nonfree in multiverse
[08:14] <libben> http://pastebin.com/360783 this is my sources.list, ooh. ok. but i cant find the flashplugin for firefox that i used on horay. i had a extra resp called extras i think
[08:15] <Riddell> libben: add multiverse
[08:15] <Riddell> flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse
[08:15] <libben> Riddell: =), can u type the line for me?
[08:16] <Riddell> deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy multiverse
[08:16] <libben> any more debs ? 
[08:16] <Riddell> ?
[08:16] <gdh> Riddell: Are there any plans afoot to have universe enabled by default?
[08:16] <arentie> When I enter: modprobe  ndiswrapper...I get: http://pastebin.com/360785
[08:17] <Riddell> gdh: nope
[08:17] <gdh> Riddell: Will hoary feature an easier clicky-clicky way to enable it a la Ubu?
[08:17] <gdh> breezy, I mean.
[08:17] <gdh> geh
[08:18] <libben> Riddell: ment more like security deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy multiverse
[08:18] <libben> if there is any
[08:18] <Riddell> gdh: hopefully.  adept should go in today but there's still some issues that mean it won't be ready yet
[08:18] <gdh> Riddell: Cool.
[08:25] <Almindor> why is there no /etc/ld.so.conf in breeze?
[08:25] <Almindor> *breezy
[08:27] <libben> Riddell: wich more fonts were nice
[08:27] <libben> i want the saab font also
[08:28] <Riddell> KDE users can't go wrong with Kabel kde.org/stuff/clipart.php
[08:35] <libben> what more did i need for being able to change my fonts in firefox?
[08:35] <libben> some gtk2-engines i remember
[08:40] <arentie> Is anyone here available to help with ndiswrapper issues?
[08:45] <AMIGrAve> someone knows what iocharset windows and macos uses for usb storage fat32 partitions ?
[08:50] <snatch_> Im having a root problem
[08:50] <snatch_> I want to use Apt,but I do not know the root password
[08:50] <snatch_> It never asked me to make one in setup
[08:50] <snatch_> any ideas?
[08:50] <seth_k> snatch_, there is no root password
[08:51] <chavo> snatch_, use -> sudo
[08:51] <seth_k> snatch_, in (k)Ubuntu we use sudo
[08:51] <snatch_> ?
[08:51] <chavo> and your password
[08:51] <snatch_> su
[08:51] <gdh> snatch_: try google. 'ubuntu root password' etc.
[08:51] <snatch_> ok
[08:51] <seth_k> which takes your user password and escalates you to root
[08:51] <Tm_T> hey, he can enable root account :)
[08:51] <seth_k> noooooo
[08:51] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:51] <seth_k> go back to your typewriter :P
[08:52] <snatch_> lol
[08:53] <snatch_> it said that the sudo pass is my own password
[08:54] <snatch_> i still get a authentication failed error
[08:54] <gdh> well done :)
[08:55] <snatch_> now what?
[08:55] <snatch_> It did not work.
[08:55] <gdh> what exactly did you do / type?
[08:55] <perry753> ven, that you?
[08:55] <gdh> sudo has very little to go wrong - and it works for tens of thousands of users.. :)
[08:56] <snatch_> yeah
[08:56] <snatch_> sup per
[08:56] <snatch_> I typed su
[08:56] <snatch_> then my user password
[08:56] <gdh> nope, you type 'sudo' 
[08:56] <snatch_> ok
[08:56] <solidgroove> i need to add modprobe ndiswrapper iwconfig wlan0 ssid to something to activate at root, what would be that file?
[08:56] <gdh> if you want to run 'apt-get update' as root
[08:56] <gdh> you type 'sudo apt-get update'
[08:57] <gdh> and so on.
[08:58] <snatch_> ok
[08:58] <snatch_> Nice!!
[08:58] <snatch_> Thanks ghd
[08:58] <libben> anyone knows in wich package the "saab" font is in?
[08:58] <snatch_> Its working
[08:58] <snatch_> :-D
[08:58] <gdh> =)
[08:59] <snatch_> Has anyone put XFCE on Kubuntu?
[09:00] <Kuolio> yes, there is a guide to it somewhere on the forums/google
[09:01] <snatch_> cool
[09:02] <solidgroove> is there a rc.local or similar file for kubuntu?
[09:12] <_StarScream> hi guys, how do i get the lame encoder to work in kubuntu
[09:12] <Tm_T> Kuolio: ugh
[09:12] <_StarScream> i've apt-getted every mp3 and lame thing i can see
[09:13] <_StarScream> in apt-cache
[09:20] <bt>  any ideas why in KDE when I try to run a program in admin mode it always says password incorrect? (Run as root - window)
[09:21] <_StarScream> bt: which password are you using?
[09:22] <bt> I'm trying to run synaptic (or any other graphical app that needs root)
[09:22] <bt> and both my username and root passwords fail
[09:22] <bt> and I know they are ok because I can "su" to them
[09:40] <blurpy> hi, i just upgraded to breezy, and now when i boot and shutdown my screen is just black. is it supposed to be that way? i only see things when X is up
[09:41] <Tm_T> :/
[09:43] <snatch> Breezy is still testing, Id recomend staying with Hoary
[09:43] <snatch> But thats just me, Idk much about it.
[09:44] <snatch> exit
[09:44] <chavo> blurpy, there's supposed to be a splashscreen
[09:44] <chavo> but it's broken on upgrades
[09:45] <blurpy> oh
[09:45] <blurpy> why only on upgrades?
[09:45] <chavo> It's a preview release
[09:46] <blurpy> ok, i'll try upgrading again in a while then, maybe they'll fix it soon
[09:46] <blurpy> anyone know if the log out menu in kde is going to have the suspend and hibernate options that gnome has?
[09:46] <chavo> yeah, I don't really care for boot splash, but it works on a clean install
[09:49] <jesusfish> dar it, looks like the nvidia driver has issue in breezy
[09:49] <jesusfish> or darn*
[09:50] <chavo> jesusfish, works for me
[09:50] <chx> jesusfish: nv or nvidia?
[09:50] <jesusfish> nvidia
[09:50] <jesusfish> if I have RenderAccel turned on, KDE locks the whole system on startup
[09:51] <jesusfish> and X doesn't work at all with Composite option enabled
[09:51] <chavo> wierd, I'll have to check it out.
[09:52] <jesusfish> using it with 2.6.12 from breezy
[09:52] <chavo> I have one partition with a clean install of breezy, but I don't think I enabled RenderAccel
[09:52] <jesusfish> chavo: as soon as I login, I get a small bar where the splash screen would normally go, and my system hangs
[09:53] <jesusfish> Chavo: mouse still moves, but can't go to a shell or anything
[09:53] <chavo> jesusfish, did you upgrade from hoary?
[09:54] <chavo> You could try running failsafe session, and then launch startkde from the xterm, to see where it's going wrong
[09:55] <chx> anyone knows whether Option "RandRRotation" "on" switches off 2D acceleration or not?
[09:55] <jesusfish> chavo: ya, I upgraded
[09:56] <chavo> jesusfish, me too, but I installed nvidia drivers from the nvidia site
[09:57] <chx> anyone tried fluxbox with Kubuntu?
[09:58] <thehil>  How do I update my time to clock.redhat.com?
[09:59] <Riddell> thehil: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[09:59] <slow-motion> re
[10:00] <nikkia> thehil: note, that if you're *seriously* far from the correct time, it may take a while to sync, as ntpdate now slowly slews the clock towards the correct time, rather than just updating it in one go
[10:05] <thehil> How do I use the command ntpdate or ntpq to update the time?
[10:06] <chavo> Hey Riddell, you around?
[10:09] <nikkia> gah, i don't suppose anyone here uses nucleus ?
[10:12] <Riddell> chavo: hi
[10:13] <Riddell> thehil: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <chavo> Riddell, thre's a bug in konqueror involving filenames with [ or ]  in them.
[10:14] <chavo> it's fixed in 3.5 and I tracked down a patch for 3.4.2
[10:14] <Riddell> chavo: cool
[10:15] <chavo> Riddell, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107170 I used the patch mentioned there.
[10:18] <jesusfish> chavo: so much for that
[10:18] <jesusfish> gets absolutely nowhere in the terminal
[10:19] <chavo> alright
[10:24] <_osh> To upgrade and test breezy I just need to change some repos, right? Where can I read about what to do?
[10:24] <_osh> I do not want to reinstall, just to upgrade to it.
[10:28] <jatos> hi
[10:29] <_osh> hello. 
[10:29] <jatos> hows u?
[10:29] <jatos> how good-a webserver would ubuntu make?
[10:31] <_osh> jatos: as good as any other linux distro I suppose.
[10:31] <nikkia> jatos, it'll run apache as well as any other distro, but i'm not sure i'd really recommend running a desktop orientated distro for a web server
[10:32] <nikkia> thats not to say it'd do a bad job in any way, just a lot of superflous stuff you don't need, you could do a 'server' install, but still
[10:33] <_osh> nikkia: I'm about to use ubuntu for that. I just did the server-install. works like a charm. =)
[10:33] <nikkia> the one area where most distros fall over tho, is in 3rd party stuff, if you want to run J2EE, it can be tricky to run it on anything but a RHEL setup (heck, it can be tricky to run it ON a RHEL, now that redhat and sun don't seem to agree on dependancies *sigh*
[10:33] <_osh> Then I just HAD to test how well an upgrade from "server" to kubuntu-desktop worked so now I have kubuntu too. Works like a charm btw.
[10:39] <froggy25> how do you use unrar
[10:39] <froggy25> in the command terminal
[10:39] <nikkia> froggy25: unrar x rarfile.rar
[10:39] <froggy25> thats it
[10:40] <froggy25> thats all i have to put
[10:40] <froggy25> as the user or root
[10:40] <gdh> froggy25: do you have the 'unrar-nonfree' from multiverse? the free 'unrar'  is nearly useless for 99% of the RARs on the internet :)
[10:40] <froggy25> no im about to get the unrar-nonfree though
[10:41] <gdh> cool :)
[10:41] <froggy25> do i need both the unrar and unrar-nonfree
[10:41] <gdh> no.
[10:41] <froggy25> just the unrar-nonfree
[10:41] <gdh> yup
[10:41] <gdh> you can't have both installed - the nonfree one will cause the free one to be removed.
[10:42] <froggy25> i got a hold of something on bittorrent that lets you play nes games to be played on a ps2
[10:42] <froggy25> and it is a rar file
[10:42] <froggy25> and i dont anything about opening rar files
[10:42] <froggy25> you know
[10:42] <gdh> the KDE 'ark' GUI tool should be able to deal with those once unrar-nonfree is installed
[10:43] <froggy25> ok
[10:43] <nikkia> gdh, i noticed today that the nonfree unrar in kubuntu is a tad old, too
[10:43] <froggy25> really
[10:43] <gdh> yeh, 3.4.3 is a bit old, but not terribly so
[10:43] <froggy25> well it should work until they update it 
[10:43] <froggy25> right
[10:43] <gdh> yup =)
[10:44] <froggy25> cool
[10:44] <froggy25> if this works
[10:44] <nikkia> froggy, depends what is different in 3.5.3, and whether or not anyone is using what is different
[10:44] <froggy25> ill be playing super mario 2 on my playstation 2 by tonight
[10:44] <froggy25> ok
[10:44] <nikkia> since the source doesn't seem to include a changelog, its anyone's guess what was changed between 3.4.3 and 3.5.3
[10:45] <gdh> http://www.rarlab.com/rarnew.htm ?
[10:46] <gdh> almost all window UI stuff...
[10:46] <kalenedrael> $ cd /home/room
[10:46] <kalenedrael> $ ls
[10:46] <kalenedrael> trash
[10:46] <kalenedrael> .contents
[10:47] <nikkia> gdb, hard to tell if thats JUST winrar changes, tho
[10:47] <froggy25> !unrar-nonfree
[10:47] <ubotu> Not a clue, froggy25
[10:47] <froggy25> !unrar
[10:47] <ubotu> froggy25: Not a clue
[10:47] <froggy25> dang it
[10:47] <froggy25> !rar
[10:47] <ubotu> froggy25: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:47] <nikkia> !info unrar-nonfree
[10:47] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[10:47] <froggy25> oh
[10:47] <froggy25> thats how you do it
[10:47] <froggy25> !info limewire
[10:48] <froggy25> doesnt go right for me 
[10:48] <slow-motion> !info mldonkey
[11:02] <AMIGrAve> does xmms support utf-8 ? I can't see correct encoding of the id3 tags on mp3 (ripped with kaudiocdcreator) under xmms.
[11:03] <chavo> AMIGrAve, I don't think it does
[11:06] <AMIGrAve> chavo: thanks. Guess we'll have to wait for next version of xmms
[11:07] <nikkia> AMIGrAve: i wouldn't hold your breath :P
[11:09] <nikkia> AMIGrAve: 1.2.10 has been the latest version for what seems like forever, which is really non-surprising given that 1) most of the developers fled to fork xmms to BMP, 2) those that remained forked xmms to xmms2 which has been 'in development' for forever and never seems to get much closer to release
[11:09] <chavo> AMIGrAve, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Make_your_system_use_unicode/utf-8#Xmms
[11:10] <AMIGrAve> chavo: Thanks! Gonna try this right now
[11:10] <AMIGrAve> nikkia: is BMP a fork of xmms ? never heard of that before
[11:10] <deani> hi all
[11:10] <nikkia> AMIGrAve: yes
[11:11] <chavo> AMIGrAve, yes it is built with gtk2
[11:11] <nikkia> AMIGrAve: it even says so right on the front page of the bmp site :)
[11:11] <nikkia> unfortunately, BMP is also being forked to become BMP2 :)
[11:12] <nikkia> at least they've released a preview of BMP2 tho, even if it can't play audio at all
[11:12] <AMIGrAve> nikkia: ;-)
[11:13] <nikkia> Oh, it does actually play audio now!
[11:13] <polie> eveving
[11:13] <nikkia> "BMPx is now a fully working player, it doesn't merely load skins anymore"
[11:15] <nikkia> or not, as it depends on glib 2.7
[11:18] <slow-motion> i had the problem in BMP that i wanted that i can see iso, utf-8 and cyrillic encoding in the plalist and main window, but didn't get it working
[11:23] <AMIGrAve> chavo: the gtk tip didn't worked for me but it made me realize that in fact I'm the dumbest idiot on this planet. I didn't checked the option "Use fontsets". Now it is working ok ;-) sorry for loosing your time about that
[11:24] <chavo> no problem AMIGrAve glad you got it working
[11:25] <slow-motion> with that tip does it also show iso encoded text in the right way?
[11:25] <slow-motion> or only utf-8?
[11:25] <Lichte> can anyone get kopete to connect to google talk ?
[11:26] <nikkia> Lichte: yes
[11:26] <nikkia> sometimes :)
[11:27] <Lichte> nikkia: I can't
[11:27] <nikkia> Lichte: its probably the encryption settings, thats the pickiest bit about it
[11:27] <Lichte> nikkia: do you turn ssl on or off ?
[11:27] <nikkia> on
[11:27] <nikkia> and plaintext passwords on too
[11:28] <nikkia> and it needs some encryption extension that i don't know if its standard on kubuntu's kopete or not
[11:28] <nikkia> qca-tls
[11:29] <Lichte> nikkia: it's installed, but I don't see any settings for it
[11:29] <nikkia> lichte, there aren't any
[11:29] <Lichte> ok
[11:29] <nikkia> its either installed, or its not
[11:29] <Lichte> I see
[11:29] <Lichte> it's installed
[11:35] <Lichte> nikkia: is the server still gmail.com, or is it something else ?
[11:36] <nikkia> erm, hold on
[11:36] <nikkia> i'm using talk.google.com port 5223
[11:36] <Lichte> ah
[11:36] <Lichte> the instructions at google are horribly wrong
[11:36] <Lichte> they have server: google.com and port: 5222
[11:37] <nikkia> well, see, i put in 5222 iirc
[11:37] <nikkia> but enabling SSL bumped it to 5223
[11:37] <Lichte> they guys on #kopete say it's 5223 too
[11:37] <nikkia> the instructions are for gaim, aren't they?
[11:37] <nikkia> if so, it might be something gaim does differently
[11:37] <Lichte> I don't know
[11:38] <Lichte> hmmm, talk.google.com doesn't work
[11:38] <slow-motion> how can i find out what encoding an ID3 tag has?
[11:38] <Damone> hi i need help with internet sharing on kubuntu
[11:39] <Damone> i have a inet sharing pc, how so i share inet with kubuntu?
[11:39] <Damone> *so
[11:39] <Lichte> oops, I had gmail.com
[11:39] <Damone> *do
[11:39] <Lichte> there we go
[11:39] <Lichte> nikkia: it's working now, thanks!
[11:39] <nikkia> Lichte: you got it working faster than i did :)
[11:39] <Lichte> :D
[11:39] <nikkia> Lichte: it took me hours, but that was partially because they were doing stuff with it, and sometimes it'd reject me for one reason, then for another
[11:40] <nikkia> in the end, i think i left it be for about an hour, then it 'just worked' *shrug*
[11:40] <nikkia> i still get disconnected quite frequently tho (not as frequently as my ICQ accounts tho)
[11:40] <Damone> can anyone tell me how i share internet with a kubuntu machine?
[11:40] <Lichte> nikkia: I get disconnected too
[11:41] <Lichte> nikkia: I think they are working on it a lot
[11:41] <nikkia> Lichte: ICQ? or google ?
[11:41] <Lichte> nikkia: google
[11:41] <nikkia> Lichte: ah
[11:41] <nikkia> Lichte: i dunno what's to work on, its just jabber :)
[11:41] <Lichte> nikkia:  I know
[11:42] <nikkia> i imagine that they're working on the backend accounts database, if anything
[11:42] <mustafu> Is it possible for Kubuntu to be installed comfortably on a 3GB drive?
[11:42] <Lichte> nikkia: I wonder if google will allow multi-server chatting, like most jabber servers do
[11:42] <nikkia> Lichte: they may not be able to
[11:42] <nikkia> Lichte: it was always a bit dodgy when jabber.org/com did, but they weren't a public company
[11:42] <Lichte> nikkia: I mean jabber to jabber
[11:43] <nikkia> oh, *shrug*
[11:43] <Lichte> they don't do that now
[11:44] <Lichte> now, if only konqueror would work with gmail !
[11:44] <Lichte> and I don't mean gmail basic either
[11:49] <mustafu> Are there any pages that list general Kubuntu sys requirements?
[11:56] <mustafu> .....
[12:01] <slow-motion> n8